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Local Hour: Spiders

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Local Hour: Spiders

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Visit light dream dot com slash Libertad for more information. So. I feel like we got the four teams that we want to be the final four teams and that's NFL playoffs. But I don't feel like the journey to get there in this place was very much fun. Release games fund. Any of you guys know, I checked out on a couple of them. They were there blowouts. It wasn't fun. Which ones did you check out on the colts game wasn't fun from the beginning. It just wasn't going. Well, you know, what the mistake I make every damn year every damn year. I forget how important that by week is to the home team's every game year. I talked myself into how the charges and Coulter going to keep that game close. How the eagles are going to beat the saints every year and every year they either they every year they cover the favorites. Cover and often they often win and often cover even Rams Cowboys like at ended up close the Cowboys had the ball late. But I just was watching these games wasn't. I was feeling underwhelmed by almost every game. Even the last two weeks going back to thank eagles thanked eagles kept you DeAnne even that one. Like the end was an exciting finish. But even that one. I was not like blown away by that game. I feel I feel like we got a good fun of four though. I feel like we can't miss this week coming up. I was strangely full excuse mode yesterday for the colts. Like, I was going around telling anyone that would listen that game was in a blowout. That game was a couple of calls and a couple of plays. And it would have been totally different you on another place in the 'cause I'll tell you. I was going over them. There was a bunch Dan first of all that long touchdown run that there was a hold in there. I I saw very clear hold in there. Oh, but I saw it. And if I saw it it was obvious. There is a hold there. The kicking was atrocious. Obviously, we don't even need to get into kicking. That's four points right there. So let's add four points of that total. So it would be thirty one seventeen. We're going to subtract seven from the thirty one because they didn't get those. That was a ridiculous call roughing the kicker on that punt. So that touchdown didn't cow. So then we're now at seventeen twenty four there's a wide open drop touched on in the end zone at the end of the game that they call the pass interference. I don't know what that guy was doing just took his eyes off the ball. So it's a tie game. Then the colts had a punt that they should have recovered that was fun Bill that they didn't recover. It's just left and right, Dan left and right phantom pass interference calls at weren't called. Wait, though gear. Everybody wanted the chiefs to go to the Super Bowl the NFL wanted Patrick Mahomes in that Super Bowl. Andrew luck was given a couple of chances in fumbled. Or didn't move the ball early in the game. He's given a couple of chances to keep a close in the first I'm not focusing on those, Dan, I'm focusing on the others, this Mahomes, though, man, the sidearm stuff is credible. He's making so many throws like throwing submarines real arm that he's. He's really confident throwing guys open like this, dude, man, like we're witnessing like, I know it's hyper Bolic everyone's like praising him. But this guy like seems like he's going to be better for are you thinking of any particular play because the one I'm thinking of they had a camera angle from behind him. And they were showing you basically what he was saying. And Kelsey wasn't in any way open. He was when I say he was covered. I don't mean like he was well covered by defensive back. I mean, his entire body was covered from from Mahomes, his vantage point, he was covered in a way that there was a man in front of him. And he just took it through it sidearm. He knows Kelsey is a little bit longer had a little bit of momentum that he was running a little bit faster. And he he he was open only when the ball got there at his fingertips, and it was crazy. It was a fun one week for them because next week the patriots are going to be the patriots. And there's going to ruin this for everybody always happens. They're gonna come in. They're gonna kill Patrick Mahomes as fits magic. And it's just going to be a disaster. I bet you would you guys. Enjoy a patriots blowout. Or would it feel like all the games this week? Like, would you guys? Enjoy a chiefs beating the patriots blow up. That's not gonna I just need the chiefs to advance. I'll take plot there. You're right. That wouldn't be entertaining. But I'd rather have that than the patriots again. Like, I'm done with the patriots. So everyone's ruined for the chiefs on this one. Oh, and everyone was rooting for the charges to man rivers, dude. Just can't. I thought they were gonna win. And I and it's the most laughable result of the weekend. I had them picked in this pool where you pick the Super Bowl winners. And I'm like this is the year for Philip rivers a good pick. I it was a good good value. Well, that's the thing. Is that everybody always pick the favorites? You have to be wacky and big him and had them against the bears the bears. I mean, Cody you'll like this year, though, there were a lot of people doing the sneaky picks a lot of people the colts could make some noise. A lot of people thought the chargers, and then just they're twelve and four it's not even that much of a yard Jake Howard. Good chargers. Really good. This is the best team. He's had Damian Tomlinson was there and that fourteen in Tuesday's when they got the buys the first round and couldn't do anything with it. But the way that the NFL seeds teams is ridiculous. Like they had a better record than the patriots. They had the second best record in the AFC. They tied for the best record in the and they had to play if they would've gone to the Super Bowl four east coast games travel across the country who were the for. I obviously the top three teams made it like who was the fourth best team this year. Was it? The patriots. It was it was probably the chargers if you look at our record just in terms, no book, go go look at point differential, the charges were more balanced than the patriots. They were more consistent than the patriots. It's the reason that I thought they would win. What are the point differentials Billy between the chargers and the patriots because the charges that have been a record? But if you wanna if you wanna throw that aside and just do point differential, what's the point differential between the chargers and the Pat the charges were fourth. So I was the cheese plus one forty four then the patriots plus one eleven than the ravens a plus one or two and then the chargers have plus nine, you know, then I got a wrong the the patriots were better all year, then by by decent amount. I know I saw that. This is the first time in NFL history that top four scoring offenses are the final four teams. Not a lot of good defenses in their only the patriots. Honestly have the best defense statistically of the four teams. Is that right? Yeah. They they were like seventh in defense points scored. Why don't we fall for this? It's one and two versus one into like this is what was supposed to. But this doesn't always happen because the giants sometimes need through and all of a sudden when three road game, and we went into this come on. We went into this postseason if the saints lost yesterday. Once once you saw the way that game was playing out if the saints had loss yesterday. Would it have surprised you? The the way the eagles are playing like they didn't they didn't. We have that stat recently where you know since their offense of line has gotten healthy. Like, Aaron Donald J, J watt, and and Khalil Mack. Couldn't get close to anybody like zero sacks three quarterback hits between all three of the guys. Like the eagles went out the way a champion should against the team. You know, that's better than them throwing toward the end zone at the end. That's what that's a team that lost Ohio State. That's the way a champion should lose six turnovers. Throwing into the goal line Ken Dorsey on his fate. You feel bad for our Sean Jeffrey, I do not I don't either everyone was making such a big deal. Like like, they had it wasn't like it was a touchdown that he dropped if he catches that ball. There's still like forty fifty yards away. I didn't understand. He was like getting all twenty five yard line. They were driving. Right. They had to score touchdowns. It wasn't like it wasn't like it was in the end zone. Touchdown in a game where they hadn't scored a touchdown the entire second half or since very early. They hadn't scored a touchdown. That's another thing about that colts game that she shouldn't do anything in the second half. Hold on a second. Chris. The patriots defense was better this year than the saints. Defense. You have. That's the typically, right? I this is by stats by stats on Twitter. Here are the remaining teams rankings and scoring offense and defense in as far as defense Casey's twenty-fourth Rams twentieth. New Orleans fourteenth New England seventh in scoring defense. So. I that's not the measurement. That is advanced. But it is the measurement that the patriots are always good at scoring defense. Like, they'll allow yards all over the place. They'll be like eighteenth and yards allowed but scoring defense. They're always in the top ten. I just thought the saints were better than that. He doesn't bode well for all of you rooting against the patriots like to go into a chief to Foxborough in the cold. And maybe they just spend the whole game running the ball. Like they did yesterday. I was worried about the weather too. Because it was like always in Kansas City in Kansas City. It was supposed to be really it was really cold was cold swipe before the game. I was like thinking that it was going to be more affected. But apparently, it wasn't that windy apparently wins the big thing like cold. They can move edits is correct. Why did it look like they only cared for half the field in that game half? The field was covered in snow half. The field wasn't covered in snow covered a few in the fuelled heated. Yeah. But why was half of it's still covered in snow. It was only like it was like fifty to fifty one side was cleaned. Once I wasn't clean. I don't know. Maybe does. Little snow flurries. Although maybe the Snowden part partially melted. We're talking about the weather. Yeah. You guys have decided to take the road to the Super Bowl and make it about. Whether it's always about weather is a very big factor in who makes it to the Super Bowl. It wasn't this weekend in any way. Most people to Super Bowl either. It didn't seem Philadelphia when they went into Chicago Ivan, Dan, I think this is the part of the show where you're supposed to apologize to beast. Yeah. Jazz. Teas that are unique their show coming up next to him for what there's been a big backlash over the the peace story that you and Allison told over the weekend, and as a result of beasts name being named he was destroyed by rabid listeners and had a very rough weekend. And like every shows talked about like I was driving around on the weekend. And they'd had LeRoy hoard, call in to our show to talk about the situation would seem very odd. It was nice thing. These for my father few don't know what it is that we're talking about Allison can tell you the the story. We also have to get into Chris Cody doing the Cody parkey challenge that as soon as we can. But Allison what's going on with these. I haven't heard I haven't heard that. There was backlash. I feel bad whenever our listeners attack. Anybody who doesn't deserve it. And he certainly doesn't deserve it. He was fine with the story. He thought it was funny. He didn't know that your dad didn't like him. And then it as he was listening to it became clear. Dad doesn't care for his opinion is poppy like though on. Well, it's not this. It's not you're right. Chris fair enough. My father doesn't like anybody. Not even meet that's not the point. My father doesn't like beasts opinions more than he doesn't like anyone else's opinions. And it's not that he doesn't like him. He just doesn't like his opinions. And so because he doesn't know him and only has its opinions. He ends up hating beasts more than anyone. It's a good job. I'd be s- be polarizing don't be don't be forgettable. Poppy, remember him. He was fine. So he was fine with him disliking. His opinions. He knew that. But then people started writing him these horrible things like I hope he dot like really the system. It's the stugotz army, and it just became about his Wade, and they were just just really horribly vicious just to pervent mean. And so then beast posted a heartfelt thing on Facebook about just being hurt by the whole thing. Like, and let me be clear about something. Okay. Beasted an extraordinarily kind thing to help the lebatardshow family, and my sick father that my father's an ingrate does not change the fact that it was an extraordinarily kind thing. And that my father has very basic sports radio opinions because he. Still continues to yell about Spoelstra just a couple of seats away from his fiancee who's holding their new baby. He's throwing that energy all over the spol- stirs. My father is a bit of a bleep hole. Stugatz. Just helpfully texted in which is odd because he's right next to you tell Dan that poppy likes me loves me. Actually, that's true likes Cody likes, Cody too. He could be here to do that. So the less. Well, no you sorry. Then are you going is that the apology to beast? I'm sorry. No, I well. I am sorry to be. I am sorry to be that our listeners would treat him that way. Like, it was a playful funny story, it was not meant to harm beasts. I still don't feel like we've told it here. Alison for the people who don't understand like, they don't have the specifics of the story. Well, he told a Friday, I know. But do we assume that everyone's just sitting around the radio or the computer expecting us to pick up the conversation where it was on Friday. I mean, every show has been talking about it too. If you've been if you caught any show you've heard the whole story Barry was talking about it last night. What happened to the local news? What happened to the local sports cats? You guys still watch the local sports cast is that a yes or no put Gammel put it on the poll at lebatardshow. Do you guys? Still watch the local sports cast. No. It. No, what happened to it late is the thing. It's like towards the end of the show. It's like I have to be up at eleven to watch it. They have like thirty minute. Like weekly recap shows. The problem is that Twitter and the internet have kind of ruined the news like I don't need to stick around until eleven o'clock to see what's going on in the news, even teases for the most part like if we are to tease like oh my God. You'll never believe what this person said about this come back and five minutes and you'll hear it. It's like why could Google in two seconds. And I'll know what he said right now, I'm going to search on Twitter. Find like seven articles about it. We should go like a year the show without the internet and see how it goes. What do you think? But our listeners have to be in on this with us listeners. I pledge to you that I will not use the internet for a year. If you pledge it back to me, Dan, are you in on this pledge? I'm with you on that. But feel got so mad at me for I was I took a three week respite from your poison in the audience, I took a three, and it was the most blissful time in my life. I stopped reading anything. And then when I got back my mailbox was full with people complaining about how I haven't been on the internet. So I'm not as informed as I need to be. But in terms of doing the show, I've never had more fun than those three weeks not paying attention to anything. What was the company said was offering one hundred thousand dollars if you gave up your phone for a year vitamin water had this contest? I think it's too late to register. They had this contest where you have to. They choose one person where if you didn't use your smartphone for a year, they give you one hundred thousand dollars. And if you went like six months, they give you like ten thousand dollars. I wish I wish that I could go I don't think it's that hard. Do you like I understand that as a country where addicted to these devices now you can't walk anywhere without bumping into somebody who staring into their phone? You guys think it would be that hard. Now, you're not saying no computers. You're just saying you're not able to do it on your phone. You're not able to do it while you're walking around because I think what what? And I get accused of this all the time in my private life like that. I'm not present enough because I'm off thinking about whatever the next thing is, and that's what we're all doing with our phones being less present. Do you guys think it would be that hard? When you hear a ziza's Ari? And all these other people talk about the bliss of getting away from the addictions of the need for validation on the internet. Like does it does it tempt you at all? I'd have a hard time without news because I like an information junkie, but I think I would be okay, not on social media, but that's sort of takes it away. Because it's the most fun. I have doing shows around here is when I forget my phone at home, one hundred thousand dollars is not nearly high enough in these more money, give me more really why ROY really you realize how important a smartphone is the people like first of all calls and texts. That's the most important thing. You got to talk to people, you know, emergency sake. But I mean Twitter news what you were talking about with the news, that's entirely too important to just give me one hundred thousand dollars feel like Twitter would be the hardest for you ROY Moore than anything. Oh, yeah. He's thanks course. Gamma put it on the poll at Levitas. Show is one hundred thousand dollars enough for you to give up your smartphone. I wish I could go back to just like a flip phone like, and I just like if I'm bored. I play snake and if not play tetris, and that's pretty much it. I would love to. Yeah. I'd love to go back to a flip phone or like, just a no one can you? I I don't think I can. That's the thing is like my like, I would be so out of it. If I couldn't check like my emails or had to, you know, answer people like work is something that you can't just kind of go back to what phone I I saw Oprah Winfrey. And areana Huffington talking about sort of just the idea of ambition and work and whatnot. And both of them. Neal Brennan is done something even more dramatic where he gets out of his phone at like, noon or three o'clock, he has a certain amount of time to be in his phone, and then he's out of his phone and open and areana Huffington will not in the middle of the night look into their phone because they both know themselves well enough to know that if they look into their phone they're going to wake up and. Spend the rest of the time in their fault. But Dan, how would you feel if I just told you blankly, listen, Dan? I love you, three o'clock. I'm not checking my phone anymore until tomorrow morning. I'm thinking about doing it. Actually, I think we should all vowed to do it. Now new show rule. I think no doubt at three. I think I was just talking. I was just talking last night with Valerie about not wanting to have my phone after seven o'clock because of how frustrated I was all weekend. All the bull bleep. I was handling when when so you say seven o'clock you'd stop. When would you turn it back on because you know, off the record you send us some Texan emails at very early tied. I'm up at your. I'm a I'm no see. That's the only time. I can get quiet where I have the the only time I can get quiet right now in my life is between four and six am wanting to be up at four o'clock in the morning who the bleep wants to be up at four o'clock in the morning. Technology truth brought to you by. Truth. 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So which would you like to hear I you're scaring counter with an animal is this the seventy five tax that you sent me and Michael junior about the spider in your car, which I didn't read the only thing I saw is. There's a spider, and I couldn't read the rest of it because you are saying. Is that what you're talking about the monster of of the is you're the spider the tiny, spider and your car? It was a monster of an animal, and yes that is what I'm talking about. So this is what been yesterday. Sunday, scary from go joy didn't know that. It was a thing. And I didn't know that. There was a lot of people that are afflicted by the Sunday scary. As co Joe is should we explain that says, I don't think a lot of people. This Sunday, scary ease as I understand it or essentially the stress and anxiety that you have Sunday nights knowing that you need to go into work on Monday. And it's kind of just you readjusting yourself from the weekend to getting back into work mode, and it happens to like guess a lot of people on Sunday night where they start thinking about work and. Scary is a real they're real thing. If you Google it. It says the Sunday scares are the things -iety that sets in on a Sunday night, which you just said with the impending return to the office school or work, whether you call them the Sunday scares the Sunday blues. Fear the shakes the dread through there. That's almost exactly what I said. Go Sunday blues. That's what I've always kind of referred to that as that seems like every day for Alison, no, he's everyday for Billy. I did tell my goal journalism. I have the Monday scares Tuesday, scares a Wednesday scary all the days. I have the scary. No Thursday, though, come on. We can agree Thursday. I have the scary sauce. Thursday scares. I'm telling you every day even even for this week. You know, what like on Friday when you would think. Hey after work Friday. I went to sleep early think. Oh, you know, what good night's sleep? I woke up at three in the morning, and I couldn't go back to sleep. And I was just thinking about work. Why are you going to bed so early on a Friday man, I leave? I I don't live a fun life. Scary. Never know. Really know. What's there to be scared of? I mean, we got here we do a radio show. We laugh we giggle we snort. And then we leave time to that my golf. I mean, I've always said I admire about us that you are super carefree. Yeah. Really are like you just don't like have those. What's your most stressful thing in life's too guts marriage? It's your golf swing and and the gospel close second golf swing. Yes. All right. So we were talking about the Sunday scares. And while we were talking about the Sunday scares, Stu got I'm driving around. I'm going to get gas. I got this new gas at by the way that you guys should know this isn't super important to the story. But if you take a picture of your receipt, it'll tell you, hey, the gas is to twenty nine or whatever. Right. But if you use this app, and you send us a picture of receipt, you pay one ninety eight for they like refund you money for this app. I'm I'm not gonna tell you what it is yet. Because yesterday is the first time that I tried it. I'm gonna let you know if it works. I've twenty four to forty eight hours to get reimbursed. But if it works game changer, and I'll tell you all about this app, and hopefully someone to seven hundred sales is listening, and maybe I could do like a library for this or something because not doing this for free. They're not listening anyway. So I'm driving around to get gas, and it starts raining, right? And I'm looking at the rain attorney, my windshield wiper, and all of a sudden, I see this monster crawling around, and I go my God, I need to. On my windshield. Wipers faster to get that spider off my windshield before gets in the car didn't work the spider was in the car. It's nighttime spiders in the car. I am freaking out this the Sunday screenwriters spider. Spider singular, John Salley. But this is all spiders work. There's one spider. There's more than one spider. I know that there must be like a spider nest in my car somewhere. And I'm not looking forward to finding it. So on there, and I'm driving, and I'm trying to like kind of keep them with the web, by the way, not a nest is it may right spiderweb? I believe it's a web. Yeah. Bird's nest biter. There could be I think there could be a spider nest. I will check on it. But you keep talking Bill. I think there's a spider Ness. Young a web is like a handmade where the spider goes to hang out. But I'm telling you, I think there's like a nest where like that's where the baby spiders have made because you never see baby spiders made on a web. Anyway. So I'm keeping an eye on this spider as I'm driving, and it's dark. So I have now turned the lights on in my car, which is not the safest thing to do at night because it's raining the lights are on. And I come up with a plan. I go, you know, what I can't let this spider run my life. I own this car. I am the master of this spider. Even though I told go dry said, listen, there's a spider my car. I think I'm just going to ditch the car. Did you involve go Joe in this? Did you spend your entire weekend talking to go? Joe was just he guided me through a very traumatic experience in my life, which was experience with the spider. All right. So I'm talking now I'm talking to him through, you know, through he's talking me through this. We're getting through this together. So I come up with a plan. What am I going to do to get this out of my car because it's now hiding between the windshield and like the side of the of the car? So it's sneaking into like a little portion where I can't get to it. So I find. Contact solution in my car. And I said, you know, what I'm gonna do. I'm going to spray with context Aleutian just to spook it get it out of that little crevice. And then I'll grab it with a napkin, and I will release it. It will be free to go just not in my car. So the placement of the spider was the worst. It could have been I spray right around it with the context solution and drops down with the web and crawls into the air conditioning. So now, I have the spider hiding in the air conditioning. A monster of a spider. It must be. Half an inch to three quarters of an inch long. This thing is nasty. And I thought it was a white spider and those white spiders get in my car. I know where they come from. But I get those in my car. Sometimes this one was an orange spider never seen an orange spider before. So I turn off my era immediately because I don't want that thing blowing in my face. I pay I point the vents away from it. So I'm driving in the rain at a cooler night. So now, there's no air. It's raining. There's humidity building up in my car. The windows are getting but I can't do any news. I can't have that spider blow in my face. Is there an end? We're getting there. Oh, when so why do none of your stories come complete with an ending? I mean, you guys it's like you go to the movies, and you want it to be done in ten minutes. That's not how good stories works storytelling. Take some time to develop. Okay. We're about halfway through right now. So, but you realize that the telling of stories while at a bar is fine. We've got listeners who have a certain expectation for what we're doing around here. And usually attention deficit two thousand nineteen and needs to happen. A little faster live done my part in lowering people's expectations around here. So that they know what they're getting when I start my stories. So I finally drive home. It is very dangerous. I get there. And I told my fiance. Listen, I need tweezers because I've spotted this fighter. I need to get that spider out of the air conditioner. So she goes in. She gets tweezers I put a napkin over because I don't want that thing. Crawling out. Now, I have at trapped right where I wanted. She comes out with the tweezers, guess what? She tells me get out of the way, I got this. She saw the fear in my eyes. She knew that there was only one person for. This job. And it wasn't me. So I got out of the way go Joe coach, oh really was helpful in this whole a tweezers were not long enough. Now, what do I do that was my whole plan tweezers aren't long enough? I said, you know, what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna blow that sucker out of there. I'm going to turn this thing on full blast and have a shootout, but I was afraid to shoot on my face. If you remember I pointed that out earlier, so I kind of hunched down, I turn the thing on all the way high and I jump out of the way. So it won't shoot at me. And then it goes down in a little web, my girlfriend's swipes in with a napkin pulls it out of the car. And I was saved my life was saved yesterday. But it was very traumatic by the way, you've got to change that labelling my fiance, but it was a very traumatic. I'd save thirty minutes of my life. And that wasn't even the most Radic thing. I had a dream about Billy the Marlin. Guys. What he you look like, thank you. I saw the new Billy the Moreland in my dream. No one seemed Billy the Marlins since they changed the logo the colors all that. I saw the new Billy the Marlin in my dream as he lost weight. Guess what? There were three billion the Marlins. Well, there was Billy the Marlin. Yeah. They brought back little Billy which was a thing. I remember time ago. Yeah. And then they brought out this other mascot, the his name was something like bobble head of the day or something like that. And it was like this green monster and was just like a bobble head that. They're giving away at some point. And they made a mascot out of him. But the new Billy the Marlin shorter nose almost rounded at one point almost a rounded nose going to the tip, and he had a goatee. Billy the Marlin has not now. Oiler? Yeah. I saw him at the gym. That was what was going on in my dream which animals, do you think get more angry a spider when you ruin their web roaring aunt when you step in like, the the aunt pile. I think the I think the does I have confirmed there are spider nests, by the way, there are spider in the web the web. Yes. Yeah. So at the center of the nest for some spiders, yes. Okay. Yes. I would say the the ants without question aunts. Roy don't you think you ever stop it? I used to love it when I was little used to love it back. Joy out of it. Don't feel good about it. I have regrets about how much joy I got out of ruining anhil. So you disrupting the ants home bright brought you joy, all the chaos you ever seen the chaos when you kick one of those piles man like it's like they're like there's alarms going off. Everyone's it's a it's a fire drill. They're all working together. Does he think they're being attacked? Yeah. You're like Gulliver destroying their. I wish they could do that to you. Chris see how you and your family like would never do that that I've grown I've grown past that I'm done with that. It would never heard an empire again. But back when I was young. I you know, you guys never did that am I the only one that's going to admit I'm out on an island here. Put it on the poll Guillermo at lebatardshow. Did you ever purposely kick over an ant pile just because it was fun, spider webs? I don't feel bad like when I ruined those like I don't care like get out of here start shopping. And it's like you feel like it's on your back. That's the worst feeling when you don't know where the spider is after ruining spiderweb. You don't want as a society? I feel like we are very disrespectful to spider webs. I like spiders, but spot or I don't like spiders, but spider webs. Our intricate works of art that we should appreciate we should somehow find a way to dismantle spider webs, completely and Frayne them these creatures are creating beautiful pieces of art for us. And we're taking it for granted walking through then saying, they're achey and sticky when they get in our hair, and we should really value spider was more than we do. It's a great point, by the way, you just walk through the spider webs so long, and they're so big and you'll you're walking I'm walking my dog. And I walked through a spider web. I have no idea. And then you have no idea where the spike terrifies. I started taking off my shirt lead. It's like, where's the? The spider, and you just yeah. I almost went to get a haircut yesterday because I was afraid of the spider was gonna crawl on my roof and go into my hair, and my hair's a little longer. Now. I wasn't wearing a hat, and I'm never gonna find a spider for calls them, my hair. I almost got a haircut last night. Well, then you can wash your hair. Only by that point. There's a new spider Ness to my hair. Eggs everything crazy again, you can wash your hair billion can wash off your head. So I saw the thunder are retiring Nick calls. I was gonna make another John Salley joke. But. This fighter. Don lebatardshow now, what is happening with your wife divorce is happening. I took my wife truck to lacrosse practice last night. She said, listen, I'm low on gas, please fill it. Oh, no. But a big of us. I'll just fill it up on the way back. Suddenly, it's eight thirty Pratt's supposed to be over at eight. My daughter had homework and then night footballs about the start Bengo. Stugatz. I said listen, you have more than enough gas to get the kids at school in the morning and get to a gas station he'd get gas and then come on. She said the thing was reading you have four miles of gas remaining. Right. This school all the way is about fourteen miles away from the house. Oh, no. I still not certain if she got the girls at school. I'm not certain if she got home she called me at one point frantically saying what do I do when I run up Gaz. It says two miles to go. She could be surmounted walked to a gas station. These are show with the stugatz on the tickets. I saw on Twitter that the Oklahoma City thunder. Are retiring the number of Nick collison number four it was he's played their sixteen seasons. And my first thought was that's funny and ridiculous that they're doing that. And they're going to laugh at you. When you retire has. And then I realized wait a minute, but they're gonna retire. Yes. That's exactly I was like, wait. I'm going to be that. I'm going to be everyone's laughing right has him deserves it though. Right. But I think nationally you're you're in Miami. I think nationally he's Nicholson I heard a story the other day. I gotta get a confirmed heard a story of the day that that Riley just came over to has lem and was just praising him for being a full-time full-time lifer. Full-time lifer. Which you don't want to say too close to gain weight. The careful whispers like fulltime lifer. Your ally. He lifer. Fulltime? Do you think the TS before they decide to retire jersey number like, Nick collison number four it's four a highly sought after number like I like the number four, but I've never really met anyone else that likes the number four. So the thunder thinking, hey, we can afford to lose number four. No one's really gonna want. It's like we're not going to have a superstar say, hey, I only come to your team with like it'd be number four. So they could afford to let the number four go, you think that goes into the thought process at all and retiring numbers, I do. I think the greatest number four in NBA history is Adrian Dantley. It's not a very sought after number. Is that right? I believe it is. Yeah, I'm checking it out right now. But I believe that's the best number four. And I'm not even certain Adrian Dantley. Who was a great player? I don't think it's jersey Jersey's been retired. Carlson. The heat are no position to tell anybody which jersey to retire in which not to retire. And it has nothing to do with asthma. It has to do with Marino's and Jordan's numbers being retired for the heat. Somehow. I mean goat. How the hell did James harden score thirty eight points by going one of seventeen from three. I saw that. You know, what's funny about that? Chris I saw that against Orlando. I saw that he was one of thirteen and had thirty two points. And I'm like, wait a minute. How how how one of thirteen from three with thirty two points. And it's because he gets a million free throws. He was fifteen sixteen. Of seventeen from three good. God. I mean, I don't want to do this. But I feel like I could go one of seventeen from three in an NBA game. Oh, good of seventeen months. Any of us could just stand in the corner. Seriously are put it on the poll. Guillermo, could you go one of seventeen in an NBA game from three against the magic? Just you just make it last night at Orlando. Could you have gone one for seventeen from differences? I would end the game with three points, not thirty eight. But I mean, it was garden them. It was DJ Augustyn. It's still playing by the way ad says audit. Yeah, he started. I don't believe you this. Another one of your live down your DJ, August, no out of text. He started thirty one minutes. Decent game. But on the poll. Guillermo, did you know that DJ August and was still in the league? Always be in the league. There's a lot of number force retiring. That's question. August always be in the league is the better book. There's a lot of what retired number four is retired in league. I'm looking at bother tired numbers. And there's a one two three four five six number four retired. Jerry Sloan bulls, Joe Dumars, pistons, Sydney, Moncrieff books Wendell Ladner nets Chris Webber kings and Adrian I can't see what I wrote gently Dantley jazz twenty-five game for his career. See the best. It says like it. I have a best NBA players by jersey number. Wow. Definitive list here. Courtesy of jerseys dot com. And the best number sue in NBA history. Guys, wanna take guess venture? Guests the best number two hiree. No. Billy. I'd be interested in the number four is that haven't been retired that a bed of Nick collison, by the way, we'll look it up on jerseys dot com. Oh, yeah. Moses malone. The best number three that should be obvious, wait. Yep. The best number four Dantley and the best number five Kevin Garnett allow that. Gauge e. Fun game. Is it made it I hate it. And I'll tell you why I hate it. I just don't remember uniform numbers. That's not something when I watched the colts sexually gyrate in front of the referee in a way that suggests the key in peace peel skit, I rarely remember that it's number ninety six I either know your name, I know your number. I don't know both have you noticed that the referees are kind of willy nilly with the number. They'll just throw out a number and say, this is the person that the foul was on our this is the person that penalty was on in the NFL, and it's been wrong a lot lately. And then the cameras on the wrong guy, the whole time trying to publicly shame him in front of America. When it was not him number ninety two and number ninety three maybe close, but they're very different if the penalties on number ninety two don't say it's on number ninety three and shame poured ninety three the entire game. When it wasn't on him. I saw the replay. I know it was on number ninety two. Now, it's a fast thing and the rest have to decide very quickly who the penalty was on. But come on. Let's not keep showing the wrong guy. How about Michael Jordan, by the way, he is obviously the best number twenty three of all time. But he wore number forty five. Did he not? So he's the best forty five of all. He should be the best number forty five of all time. Rudy Tomjanovich is the best number forty five. Volunteer day, Georgia got robbed. I don't think. He was forty five long enough. I think I don't think he'd put up enough half a season. I think what's it. Good number. Like what's the number of telling you that half season? Jordan had wearing number forty five was better than Rudy Tomjanovich entire career. What's the number with the worst best player ever? Oh, God this that's the number. You gotta pick. If you're a young guy coming into league because then you could become the best number blank ever. I'll get to. I think I have it a Kobe were eight and twenty four right. Yeah. He's the best number eight of all time. He is not the best number time of check it out of the best number twenty four of all time at a second, Chris. But I think it's not him. Well, I already scroll past it. But I can't remember who it is. Who's the best seventy three of all time? I'll get away one thing at a time here. Ok. I mean, the thing only moves so quick you're about to answer. My question about the where's August two that I have that here. Okay. Hold on a second. We check out number twenty four. This is an outrage. Rick Barry said, the best Seventy-three of all time, that'd be Dennis Rodman. So the person. So I think the number the number that you should covet and crave. When you get to the NBA is the number thirty nine. Ooh. Who is it? The best number thirty nine of all time is Jeremiah grant see like trae young still playing like trae young should be number thirty nine. He could be already the best thirty nine ever Cur- Cur-. Correct. That is that is correct. The best thirty seven of all time is Nick Van Exel the best number thirty eight of all time is Victor Caraba. That's the number you go. Yeah. That's a high thirties. No one wants those numbers running backs. You know, like, that's the number gap like space for running backs. Why does no one want number thirty nine? Good question. I don't know. I mean. Live up to Jeremiah grant been five players in the NBA an ABA history at one number thirty nine one of them. Greg goes to tag hop of his head. What's the lease use numbers there? A number that no one has ever worn in the NBA. Wow. Everyone has worn like every number eight someone ninth through to to even go that high in the NBA, I think Ron artistic were ninety something Robin of ninety something for awhile ninety. What was he I'm terrible at this. I really am. I either know that you're Rodman or I know your number. I do not know both there have been three ninety eight NBA and ABA history. What's the number that hasn't existed in NBA, and it has been a double zero in the NBA perish? Oh, yeah. The best number seventy two of all time is Jason Capuna. There has not been a ninety seven. What really there's never been a ninety seven. When the history the league. Gamma put it on the poll. Did are you stunned stupefied and overwhelmed and hyperventilating? Because there's never been a number because you knew that there's never been a number ninety seven in the league. That's a stunning fact right there eighty seven. Really? It's been in eighty eight the best one of all time nNcholas tomb. A fun game. I it's a funny because whenever you can throw out a component of the tune. And then and then ROY can ROY has a bit of rain Rainman in him in that he wasn't looking at the internet during any of that it was just Oester tag Robert Perez. He's not he just knows that. There's there's. There's never been in eighty seven and there's never been a ninety seven just off the top of his at Greg Oester tag. Do you think the team the guys like from ninety on like the best ninety the best ninety one the best ninety two ninety three? I'll give you the names. You think they'd beat the warriors? Probably not no good players in there, though, not meant valor enough. Drew Gooden, really Brian. By me lead on with drew Gooden. Current warriors. Are you already using true Gooden and Carlos boozer, drew Gooden was not a twenty point a game score in his prime? He could give it to you in his sleep played a Kansas. I mean, so ninety I I'm guessing he never averaged twenty played. Only when he was sleeping in college. When he got to the pros he had to be awake to get the joining. So you have it's a good start though. It's a gift foundation for team right now. I'm only at ninety I get to go up here. Ninety one. I have Dennis Rodman not bad ninety two. I have to show on Stevenson the right night that guy can give you six or seven threes and twenty three points on the right night. Today's NBA great killed them in game six he killed the Miami, Heat, you got post traumatic stress disorder from two thousand and ten and two Shawn. Stevenson with those whatever he didn't have dollar bills tattooed on his neck or George Washington's face or something. And he killed you in in the final ninety three is Metta world peace solid defense on this is that that's what I'm telling rebounding. Right. Not a lot of scoring wall. Get to twenty and your sleep from drew Gooden whose numbers I'm now look not wanting his career to the average. It's eleven points for his career eleven points in the game. Enough of his argument was literally he only could do it in his dreams. Well here if we did little scoring punch. I've got to number ninety four for you. Evan phone yet. Guys like eighteen a game right now. They did the rockets last night that is a person. James harden, went one one for seventeen from three. Now, I got no number ninety five. But I do have a ninety six I have to run our tests. How about that? And Jason guy. He's coming up to warriors to run our tests. Yes has of and this is where it gets interesting. And this is where I think the nineties has the advantage over the warriors the best ninety nine of all time, George, Mike and whoa. That's legit, man. He's legit. That guy was good one. What is what does show boat that might get was wearing the number ninety nine? I think the game to play here is which group of ten numbers would win a game like the single digits. The teens the twenties thirties what's team of those people would be the best probably the twenties. Right because you got Jordan twenty three twenty four. You got Koby. I'm going with going with the twenties is a fun game. I o a check out the twenties right now are we saying what would they beat? The warriors are saying the best team of all time. Like fine group of ten numbers that you could put together that would beat the worry. But it has to be it has to be the right one hundred nineteen I tend to be like twenty four to thirty three. Let me try out the twenties on you hang on number twenty Gary Payton, the glove. Number twenty one ten Duncan on this day. This is a team number twenty two elegant Baylor. Oh Twenty-three yet. I mean, we know. Three is. Yeah. Lebron James LeBron James. Twenty four. We'll be shooting free. Throws underhanded, Rick, Barry, I should be Kobe. But okay, twenty five got a little point guard more price. Number twenty six need some outside shooting. Today's NBA. Kyle korver. This is the team right here. Because everyone wants Korver right number twenty seven is Jack twin I mean that guy man. Nineteen points a game thirty one point two points per game in the fifty nine season. And then number twenty eight I have Erin a follow little punch. Little scoring punch off the bench and number twenty nine Paul Silas and size. That's a good team. I honestly, don't Jordan and don't get. I honestly do not know whether you said pulse. Islets gives us some size or you were saying, the nickname for pulse. Silence which for you is size. It's always six seven. He was telling. Disney stuff a player. No locker as a coach, Paul Silas. I'm pretty sure he did. I'm pretty sure as a coach I've heard that story before that Paul Silas. Someone came up on Paul Silas when he was coaching, and he just put them in a locker Cleveland, epi, Jess, please. Let it be true. Just go ahead and Google Paul Silas and locker he shove tyrus Thomas in a locker room. I'm trying to get the details as to whether he stuff too, but an actual locker. Lease. Points fans doesn't stop. The point stands is it not whether it stuffed in the locker just shoved in the locker room. It's still the same sort of pulse. Ira silence rage. Did you really say you could go one for seventeen in the NBA? I said that from three if I was standing in a corner. I think if the ball is thrown out to me, I could make one out of seventeen guarded like they're full out. Just he thinks he can get open one time because you know, they're playing five on four because they're not respecting Chris. Kids sit in the corner and like don't go near him. And he's dude I got the Billy don't do this again doubting me. I think if you took seventeenth straight shots, you could not make a three, oh, I don't agree with that really seventeenth straight threes early. How many times do you have to be embarrassed by the surprise athleticism of Chris Cody before you're humble now that one I would definitely bet just by myself in gym seventeen three pointers. You don't think I could make its further than you think it is. An NBA three is if you had to step on a court and shoot an NBA three any of you listening in the audience. It's further than you think it is. I'm making one of seventeen at Lille. Yeah. Maybe three I'll get myself three. I think I'll make three edits that you need to stop doing this because you already are doing this with the field goal. So where you said that you can make the Cody parkey field goal. I think I could come closer than people think I could no one did it, by the way, I have to Kaga day. I was watching the including go Joe, I was looking at those videos. The the the weather was terrible. Like it was doing that his field goals. They were doing it on ISIS, essentially, I'm not saying I could do that. I'm just saying if we went out right now to a field, I could probably come closer to kicking a forty three hour than you think. I could that's what I think in pads. No, what does that mean? You can come closer than we think you will. Because you think that I would like swing and miss, and I think no you saw me I kicked if anyone on this show could do it. I think it's probably Chris no one on the show can kick afford. No. I'm just saying if anyone could do it. I'm saying, it's probably Chris. That's all I'm saying. I was out there with them when my legs out there. He was getting Ryan he was out there going. Greg said he'd kick fifty yards and could kick an do it. Now. Now, we gotta do it who setting it up or would just gonna keep talking about it for the rest of the time like Stu gods ten years ago. There was a goalie called in professional goalie called in for students to take ten penalty kicks still waiting for that what happened that Lorenzo Lorenzo is on it. He's not in today. I have some confirmation. Here. Paul Silas, did indeed push tyrus Thomas and parts of his body were in the locker. Parts the whole thing could get in there. But it was like someone is quoted here saying have his bottom half was in the locker and he fell forward, and it was a mess. And he said we keep this kind of stuff in house Titus was sixty eight when this happened. It looks like you don't mess with Paul. On the ball. Do you mess? With Paul Silas at any age at lebatardshow on Instagram and Twitter the hell is going on at this canes practice yesterday. Did you see this wasn't a practice? It was a meeting of some sort. Did you see this on the internet it apparently they were having a team meeting the first one officially with Manny Diaz and all of a sudden he's like all right guys. Let's go, and they went and all of a sudden it turned into a WWE thing where they're all running into a rank. They're tackling a bunch of these like the things the lights are flickering inside the bubble. They're tackling the tackling dummies are leg dropping Manny seems to be jumping on things punching dummies on the floor. They have like ring ropes somehow to know where they came from was Jalen hurts there like it was this just a show for Jalen hurts on it leans it ended with you here. Manny Diaz saying welcome to the new and I got fired up out of no idea. What any of that means? But I was ready is Jalen hurts going to end up here. I know people are making the link because his offense of coordinators coming here. But there's a kids Ohio State got the quarterback fields he transferred? I forget where he from. Georgia. I think so now this Ohio State quarterback who was the backup to Haskins this year. Now, they're saying he's gonna visit university of Miami as well that's tape Martell. He'll have to sit out a year. Jalen could come in and start. So we could have Jalen this next upcoming year. And then the guy from a house state moving full so find bandage it also makes me sad about the state of the program. You know who else is quarterback coach was is here. Now, Trevor Lawrence. Has nothing about that. Trevor his quarterback coach is a coach of the team or not to. Read between the lines reaction. Yeah. I was looking at double zero didn't realize double zero the chief Robert Parish. And then you get zero with Russell Westbrook. Oh, that's T. Oh, number one, the big. Oh. Does it make any of you said the idea that the quarterback situation Miami this used to feel a quarterback you and it was never actually because they had good quarterbacks. There's always because the players all around them made them all look like good quarterback gratefully. Oh, I mean there was so much. I around talent everywhere around them that Kenny Dorsey look like Heisman Trophy winner. And then he gets to the pros. And it's like, oh, wait, no, not not exactly how are you allowed to take out, you know, prospects when they say they're gonna transfer like if I was if I was a good quarterback or a good player. I just say I want to transfer. So my coaches can spoil me in the off season. And I decided not to and come back like you went to prime win twelve last night. There's no way he could take one of his players prime when twelve right? So I tell my coach, hey, I'm going to transfer start taking me around town gave me some nice things fancy cars, and then I'll come to your school. And then I'm gonna, you know, not leave are you guys aware like I don't I don't know how much of this is known or how much of this is within the NCAA rule book or any of that stuff. But you guys are aware that like every weekend. Those guys are being. Taken around on boats around here by private people who care about the university of Miami. Right. Like that. That's the thing that they do because it's one of the things that we can do to sell south Florida better than anybody else. Just sort of like take bow take a boat out with a bunch of recruit. You can't really do that in Alabama the same tested seem hurting them. No, no it does. It goes. Dan, Drena ruin the program again. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event a chest of drawers, there's a storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in and watch a romp com. Five minutes into the flick, a tree branch slams through the window. Where are you hurt? I just got a scratch on my chest. Your chest of drawers can't help you in a windstorm. But the Geico insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage cold gyco to see how a Ford -able homeowners insurance can be.

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And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. All right. We got a lot to discuss today. Obviously, it's finale at the mess singer Billy's been camping out super excited. So also night fight night. Princeton Miami, the U donnas has documentary comes out today. What's the prince of Miami? I'm not I don't know much about it. I just know it comes out today. It's made by a fish. Allies. Okay. Where's that air? I just saw it on his Twitter feed. He like a minute preview. I'm not sure where it's airing. Well, let's start there. Let's start with you. Donnas has them. We we've covered nothing just setting up the show. Right. And that's a good transition because my takes on you donnas has been spreading have stirred some sort of local controversy, and here's what I'd like to say on the front end. Doubling down. I will I wear about. Down. But I will say this local controversies a bit strong. What has criticized? Okay. All right. So it's a seven ninety two ticket controversy. Dismissing zaza. Geez. He's got he's lost into just saying. It's not like I'm walking down ocean drive and people are going auditor. Taught us housing controversy. Mike Ryan started his not exactly going on. I walk down ocean drive. No one was talking anything at all. Really? I didn't hear anybody talking about the Coen testimony. So is weird. It's weird sample all I'm saying, perhaps if you walk down another road, they were all they were talking about was you Donna says them, so you can't just high slate until the ocean drive one not a big sports fan group down there. So you donnas has them take. It's he said he's alluded to playing another season. He's fifteenth guy on the roster. He's played he's appeared in four games this season. He is a heat legend. I believe franchise leader in rebounds. I do not like the position that a man heart and heart franchise leader in heart all those things three zero five got the state tattooed on its back reps a canes. Even though we went to Florida. I love you donnas has them. I have you done. This has jersey. He's one of my all time favorite heat players. All that being said, it's absurd. That that me saying he probably should retire this season and not come back for another season is a fiery take it is. I mean, first off we haven't seen him playing a couple of years to your point. So you don't know he could still out there. Fifteen minutes home. And here's what I got. All the qualifiers out. Okay. You done. This has them heat legend all that bub-bubba. He's been a bad basketball player longer than he was a good basketball player. Okay. It's been damn near a decade since he was an effective basketball player. He played sixteen games three years ago. You know, fourteen games to years ago. I it's not he's obviously on a downward trek. He's not appearing in games. I understand all the intensity and all the intangibles and all the leadership he provides in practice and Tasim should be able to say when he's ready to retire. That's not how it usually works. You Don Lama hasn't been. We've a lot of people pointed to Nick collison and said that's ridiculous that you're retiring his jersey. I mean was a better pro than Nicholson after looking at the numbers put the very comparable, they're very comparable. And especially lately, you don't have to have a total non factor. Did you just guarantee this person a roster spot it's not really based on current merit? It's based on leg. But we're talking about the fifteenth or officer matter who's if I say, he's the most valuable fifteenth man in the NBA you'd be lying. I'd put relying I'd rather let you go through the fifteen round every raw. I'd rather use a fifteenth spot on the roster as a development Charles cook. For Marcus Lee, the Andrea liggins. Yeah. The Andre liggins was a league. What are you rather have a guy with upside being the D league and actually play the fifteenth spot is made for this is the perfect fifth the Miami Heat or franchise it has cultivated talent that hasn't been drafted high than that make great use of their developmental system. I understand what you're saying. Wouldn't you rather them play in the in the D league? But there's obviously more upside than what you've done this has them. How is this a controversial take it's just because it's not necessary. If he was playing twenty minutes a game if he was like still a starter. Then I'd be like all right, Mike, Scott appoint this guy is not doing much, but he's just sitting on the bench. You hear that you read the board just been sitting on the bench for an Olympia. He's also helping at practice. He's also doing stuff that we have no idea, but everyone on the team thinks he's the most important. I heard bam on inside the heat thing interviewed he's like growing up, Kevin Garnett. And now you d is the guy the versus players I want to be there are certainly players that get to call their shot and get to say when they get to walk away from the game. I just don't know if you've done this has lem is in that is cut from that cloth. He hasn't been a good basketball player for several years now, but you're talking about like roles like oh my God. Like, Dwayne Wade can say what he wants to have totally different roles. Like legends would not be the fifteenth person on a team. He's the fifteenth person on the team he's finding the fifteenth person. And it doesn't matter who's there. They're not gonna play them. They're also paying them more than who's not your money with differences. Since money, but I as a fan of the team, there's a cap allotment. And I don't know there's million. I don't know what his salary is. But I know it's more than what a D league player would be making that the veteran these, and he's already alluded to the fact that the heat it depends on what the heat do for them. I mean, they effectively given Sistan coach uniform, right? Well, short of Juwan Howard was this just saying I think we're being a little hyperbolic here with this. Million. It matters. Like the emotional part matters. Like the way we care about the emotional part matters, Chris if you've actually plan, but he's not playing. So what do you get out of him sitting on the bench? What did you lose him sitting on? I'm joe. Oh, no place. What difference? Does it make? If it's someone you like or someone, you know, it's somebody that could play somebody that could play. I I'd love to see the fifteenth guy on just routine and be like and just hold up. Donald and be like, all right. He's probably doing more than that guys doing on his team. It's been five years now where it's been fairly obvious. You Don has nothing really to give on the court that a replacement level player. King give there might be. I'm sure they're far better players in the D league right now. Then you Don, this has them. So how many years are we going to do this thing where it's just like, okay? I mean. Ghana's nii. Who cares? So we're counting on next year's throwing your anyway, if it's twenty twenty then who cares about next year? I'm just it's five years where we're counting on you. Donna sort of see the writing on the wall, and he's not seeing the writing on the wall. So it's up to us as it's it's up to us a back them up. I don't have to back them on. But with all this heat culture stuff. The heat have proven that they will make their decisions. Even if your heat lifer. Like, they'll get rid of you. If it's the best for the team, they still want him around. Yeah. Well, it's easier to it's easier to go tell them. Yeah. Exactly. I'm already a little scared for for the the position that I'm in. But it's easier to make that decision and be all loyal one. You're only commanding what we think is what we assume is a veteran's minimum. Yeah. He's I mean, he can't be easier to be loyal like that. Then to be loyal to twain way to his asking, you know, for twenty five million, right? It's easy to be loyal them. So that's why I don't understand like, I get it. I mean, no one's arguing with you that he's like this big contributor like automotive. He doesn't do anything emotional like the heat fan is taken the emotional trek. If you look at the numbers, it's kind of like what what? Doing fifteen spy. It doesn't matter the teammate ever like any other guy would be so like angry that they don't ever play. Like, he's such a good team guys. Always like still involved in every game. Like you see him on the bench getting up like he's into it. I just I don't see the negative in it. Like, I get it that there's no, you know, real positive that. He's like other than like all the intangibles stuff. He's not really adding anything to team. But okay, fine. You know, what I've been swayed? Let him stay on the Rosser as long as you damn well likes. I don't like this position. All I'm saying is that he's been a bad basketball player. Just as long as he was a good basketball ridiculous thing to say is it look what you started basketball players much. He's an NBA. I know that I know that people will point to that Indiana Pacers game that he wanted for nine going eight for nine he wasn't a good basketball player. Then I remember that our feeling was like, oh my God. I can't believe you made eight for nine because we were terrified because a whole strategy was leave. You Donoso has open and it was last great. Moment. He's had for this franchise. And he absolutely helped with that push to the finals. It's and you know, I had that moment. I'm doing pound pounding chest heart, but what his role is. That'd be like an enforcer like how how is he being enforced? Not David west. He likes it up. And he's like, he's a bad. Bass is role is never the thirty points at game. That's not what he was there for. Okay. So, but we're just assuming what he's there for. We don't really know what he's there for we were there for intensity and practice trying to teach the young kids. I don't know be a disciple of culture to be an example of how to go about your work. But also he doesn't play and that's all icy. But if spo- and all the in all the players want him around still like, they're obviously seeing something that we don't see a guy that's been there forever. But you think that they're just like all this? This is comfortable. He's he's always here. That's why we're like they want him around because it adds value. It does add value to the franchise at preaches culture and first class. Even though there are several examples of them casting people aside, we sort of forgot that whole Dwayne Wade thing because Duan's back, but it is an awfully convenient thing. When it's like a veteran's minimum contract to hold them there. And there is there is some sort of value in that. I guess like I said you swayed me, okay? Swayed me, I'm done with a donnas has Hasim takes. I'm done taking these ELLs on UD Massingir tonight say that's the big thing. That's the night. That's where that will. Pit a muff sports. I already here the red type. And so go ahead break it down to our finale championship. That's going to be decided by the studio audience because this was all taped. Yes. Correct. Right. And yeah, I'm want Chris. I feel like Chris watches the show as much as I do. And I always kinda hog the messing or so I'm ready to let Chris like give his preview of the finale all I mean, there's nothing really to preview we know all the singers are it's just the ballots role. Let's get the ball out there. And let's hope let's play the game. There's nothing really to break down. We have t pain the monster. We have the be who everyone is pretty sure it's Gladys Knight. And then we have the peacock on the ause always. Everyone's like, so. After all this. It's all Chuck, it's all the professional singers. That are in the Joey Fatone, a professional singer sort of their limit says, what's the big hook till billionaire kind of assuming that it's going to open with maybe bringing everyone back. So they'll have like a group performance. Maybe it'll just be the three of them starting the show. There's going to be something at the beginning. That's going to be like a group thing. And then I'm I'm assuming that they're all gonna perform. I assume since the to our show, and there's only three people left. They'll cut it down like one person at a time. So we'll get down to two and then the second hour, maybe they'll perform again, and then we'll crown a champion. How great would it be? If Donnie Wahlberg is actually peacock after all this time all these Jenny McCarthy guesses that it is actually. Was a rapid. He thought it was the rabbit. Yeah. But that would be funny. If you funny producers, if the producers had any creativity they'd reveal somebody to beat Donnie Wahlberg and just say just kidding. I'm gonna look it up. But they're betting odds on this day come back for a little bit because it's taped. Yeah. Then who do you think would be the favourite if they were betting on concert? No Gladys Knight. Really? Yes. Based on it all depends on the audience and the judges select the judges seemed to really like Gladys Knight. Yeah. I like the monster. I think that's that's what it's between. I mean, I think if they're eliminating one person, I think the Peacock's don't forget the month. It was almost eliminated week one people forget that he was up for limitation week one. He was one of the bottom three and song choice week one. I'd have to go back, and look, but it was like a really bad job by the audience putting them in there because he was better than the person that he loves all right, but peacock also took some chances here recently the ducks been badly. Danica darted out came out of the box. Peacock was like the guy to be a and that thing today is gonna come down. Sorry to interrupt. I feel like today's going to come down to song choice. I feel like everybody should stay in their comfort zone. Everyone should do. What makes them their own special person? They should stick to that. Don't take chances. Don't try to show rain because that's what some of these competitors have been doing lately, and it's worked out for monster. Monster has ranged more ranged. I'd say than peacock has peacock has been trying. And a little too hard to show off. And it's backfired and speak on danger. And that's the peacock wouldn't he's peacocking. But he's peacocking with. He doesn't have the multi colored plumage peacocking with like once like a grey plumage. I'd say I have a Brown Laycock in my. Yeah. It's not like, you know, that I think I could be wrong on this. And I'll look it up. But I think that only one either male or female are the ones with the the colored plumage don't think the both genders have the colorful plaza, the female is one with the Brown through the mail has the fancy plumage because he's trying to impress the female. So I used to have two peacocks in my in my neighborhood, then you killed one. Then I saw one running away, and they didn't do anything about it. Okay. Now, all I have is this ugly Brown female peacock every time I pass by them. Like, what's the point of this? I wouldn't say that it's ugly. It's I've never seen it. But I wouldn't say it's ugly. Probably lonely now missing her mate. I mean, assuming they were made. So I don't know that that's being a bit present. Shoeless? But I would imagine that that peacock has a very sad life. Now, they're leaving cat food. All over the neighborhood for this peacock came walk my dog with my dog not trying to get into this food that they're leaving around for the peacock. I feel so bad from one neighbor on the corner of the neighbourhood who I know does not own this peacock, but has all the peacock poop in its balcony. And Hetty played by one of my neighbors because peacock likes hanging on the rails on these town homes in the front of the house on the balcony, spikes, one one one ever just said, no moss. Spike, that's ridiculous. By the way, the same thing odds, by the way, I don't know how like reliable, it's gold, derby dot com. They have the peacock as the favourite. Yeah. That's in the b is the second favorite. I mean, really this is troubling considering it's taped. Yeah. People has some inside information. It's all you forget about what happened the rest of the tournament. Right. This is all all about how. Championship who the hell knows what's going on? What if monster does bartender t pain does barten-? Wow. You imagine. It's the jam or ball. I'm trying to figure out if the people come back and sing if they're still performing with their masks on like, we're gonna see Terry Bradshaw as a deer again today because we know it's Terry Bradshaw. So why make them go out as a deer? Again. What do you think happens those costumes if I was if I was paying I would want to keep that cost to which cost him? Would you want? Like, we could get one sent here to keep monsters monsters the coolest causing that. It's the most. Yes, I think it's easiest cost at least elaborate. Something super lion was very prestigious the lion costume seemed cool. Yeah. But you don't have the lion buddy type. Yeah. He does not look like Rumer Willis, I'll give you that. I get rocked that monster costume now. Constant. Constant pain Senate. Yeah. Keeping so talented. It's a shame that he had to start out with the auto tune. What he did he invented that sound though? I mean, he's known because he invented that sound as good as monster. Sounds that voice doesn't seek out on the radio. It absolutely does. Have you watched? He paints sink, TV's, really talented pain is very talent. But there's nothing special about his voice compared tied disagrees nighttime. I think the t pain is talented, and he got boxed in by that stupid sound the auto tune and now really boxed in by his costume. Yeah. You think this will give him a resurgence in his career if he wins tonight? I I happen to know it already has happened to have inside information. I t paying all of a sudden is super hot act everyone's trying to book t pain. It's almost as if they know he's monster who's trying to Bookham everyone. Okay. Everyone all these birds chirping in the biz man my ear to these. These book and streets, and if you're booking t pain, you better make the demand that he wears I cost him at least for one song. Maybe during a Queen cover. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting dole living most of her life in the duck inside the other nesting Dole's. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when in a most nesting dole, his gyco not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer pity, the INA most nesting Dollond a lot in life. Dr lebatardshow those wearing these pants. They're like, I don't know if they're navy or if they're gray. And we like me and my wife were debating about it. You can't tell whether they're grey or navy. So I decided to call them gravy. Wow. Good gravy. Stugatz. Also, did you guys see Austin bay? Also, really, so so there's also after that are you just tossing random thoughts? And that we can't do anything before he said to me life should have Disney buses, and then I quickly realized that life does have their just called city buses. Sees the show with the stugatz on the ticket or we're going to get a mansion for this Miami Florida game in Orlando. I mean, do you have rocks for brains? We literally were just talking about. I said there's no update on this. Let's not talk about this right now because we're going to talk about it after the show and figure things out. I'm sorry. I apologize. That was being dogs for brain about his cutting as you've ever been who seconds ago where like now we can't really talk about that right now. And then we start with it immediately. I didn't know I was starting to segment you guys are talking. We've definitely talked about a plan where you were going to start with eight six four five six four eight three seven guys. Listen, let me tell you something exciting. Alison, I discovered is secretly very funny, and she has jokes. And she was telling us before the show jokes so seven eight six four five six four eight three seven Allison's joke of the day. I want to become a thing she's really fighting it. But I don't know. I I really wanted to say joke of the day. But I don't think he's going to have a joke that you think it'd be funny of analysis. Joe seven eight six four five six four eight thousand seven sorry. We cannot go back to a program. Well, the the original start for the segment, and I apologize. I was really mean thing for me to say, I'm sorry. What do you mean? Well here come over some caffeine. This morning. Cups. A couple of cups of Joe, she's feeling it. Let's talk you've been gone for a while. Now, you don't say, what did you think of the Bradley Cooper lady Gaga? Born she's been all over this. She's been sending me now while she hasn't been in studio. She has been sending me stories nonstop about Bradley Cooper's. You sent me a story today. That is not about Selena Gomez. No longer being you always put it on me. And it's really you. That's been sending the story. What do you mean? You were asking Bradley Cooper win an Oscar that really sucks for him. Yeah. You know, he he doesn't want an Oscar for that. No songwriters. Yeah. He didn't. He doesn't win an Oscar for that. So he performs it he doesn't win an Oscar for it that that kind of thing. So you should get one too. I agree lady triggered the us that chemistry for her own personal gains win that Oscar because she knew people would feel connected, and like, you know, what this is too magical. And I bet you that half of those voters don't realize Bradley Cooper didn't get the Oscar voters care. So Bradley Cooper walked away. Gene walked away with zero wards. Yeah. He's over seven in Oscars. I can't believe you've been nominated for seven Oscars silver linings playbook. Yeah. Oh, because it's a Philly thing gallon for wedding crashers, look supporting actor or something was winning. What else did he get nominated for? I think American sniper. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right proceed. I don't think did he get nominated for silver linings. Are we share? It wasn't winning Crushers were sure it was Haase's rush. Maybe it was we agree that Bill is the worst season television. I know we're talking. No, no, no, no. I'm coming around on his tastes. I really am. We're gonna we're gonna watch night fight together. Where are you on amazing race even starting? Oh, wow. Thank you for asking just finished season nine. However, I skipped season eight because it was a family dish in and I was not about that. I was not going to watch. I just can't get invested in like whole families racing de there's too many people four people per team. I'd have to learn forty people instead of twenty while I'm watching these things because I'm streaming them. And I'm watching them back to back to back. I finished finales. And I still don't know the names of the contestants. I know if I like the team or not, but I don't know the names of the contestants. I had a dream that had the the the host of amazing race in. It watched so much mazing race. So right now, I was answering your question comeback joke of the day. Do you wanna go on amazing race? I feel like you'd be insanely neurotic about the travel part. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah. My fiancee's like we should do amazing race. And I'm like, it'd be good for a relationship. You know, what it's? Not like a lot of couples break up after amazing race. It's only like three weeks, but it brings out the worst in people and it breaks up a bunch of couples now. Wait, no comeback. You joke of the day is coming up. So yeah, I'd like to music, but it's on CBS. So I don't think I'd be allowed to do it. I'm not this is why I'm protesting is because he said him secretly funny. No. You are not seek really funny. But it also depends like when you've had coffee. You're funny. Yeah. I've had the same amount of coffee that I do every day run. Goodbye. You recharge? I guess I'm retired from the we gave out the number for people to give their jokes of the day. Now, I think you should get you gave us three really borderline hilarious jokes. And I feel like you should give one to kind of set up what we're going for are you sending in your application for amazing grace. I don't think I'm allowed to do it because I worked for Disney CVS show. You could get permission. All right. Well, listen, I'll sign up. I don't know how to do that. I don't know. I don't know that you would get medically cleared. What do you mean? I mean, I think you have to be cleared and not have. I think you'd feel by the time you'd have to take like the fitness test for it. Yeah. You'd psych yourself out. Oh, no. I every season. There's like a couple. That's like seventy years old. I watched an episode of the day. We're like a sixty five year old woman was bungee jumping and I felt bad because I'm like why didn't her husband do like, she was petrified. He's like now, it's fine. You can do it. And it's like she clearly doesn't want to do this. Why don't you do it for her? But I'd be bad of that stuff. Sorry joke of the day. I want to get back to you on the show. Why do you watch the show? Why won't you do it the travel? These I have music for the no I need to get selected. It's not just like show up and say, hey, Phil here in start the amazing race. I saw video of you yesterday. So good. I'm sorry. Video video viewing sports, man. I was. Penn. Like just what you're doing now or pencil seeing this. This. Share with me. Oh, good. It was like two thousand fifteen what sports thing so back. Then like if you think about how I was talking on the show, then it was like almost next to nothing. But listen, we were in dire straits that we can sports banks to God's miss Hayes probably eighth or ninth episode in a row at the time. Even Skolnik was goes guy. But he was also covering the heat. So I'm assuming the heat rod. It's out. If it got to me here, the people that said, no, I'll tell you straight up the if it got to me hosting which one time, which is like right at the end. I got to know from. Stugatz. A definitely gotta know from Ethan. I gotta know from Craig mich-, then probably got know from Brian McFadden pizza's probably out of town. This is just like the Rolodex of who. I would go to if I needed things. And if it got to me than everybody said, no that we that's how that happens. Do you? Remember doing that episode? I remember. Being I remember thinking that I wasn't going to do. Well, and I relied a lot on research that was given to me. Why was breaking down? Like, I don't remember exactly what I remember the notes. I haven't gone back to see it. 'cause I'm horrified. But I remember like at one point. I think we're talking about like the dos. Dolphins offensive line or something. I'm like jeeze. I was like studying going into remember tuning in for that episode. Yeah. I haven't seen that was weird setup for the joke of the day. Been following an deflecting, Bradley Cooper's nominations. They don't want that. I do. Also, tell me how you were going to start the segment originally don't it's baseball Kim. Just retired. We're gonna go Harper. That's why didn't know, but that was going to be the threat just funny observation, but any rally Cooper who's nominated for best actor with silver linings playbook. He was supporting actor for American hustle. Oh, I forgot share Americans Naipaul best actor American sniper. And then that he counts if you're nominated for best picture. Yeah. No. That's. No, that's. He was he a producer on American seeing. He has seven nominations for best picture that's kind of weird and then this year best picture best actor best adapted screenplay. It's a producer award. Create. I know I I know a star is born like he is the director. Yeah, he was probably executive producer that to. All right. Alison. We're ready can ask a question. What is because I see this as repurpose, Bradley Cooper. What was this open for because it was for something recently joke of the day? Oh, wow. We never did. That did we know? I don't I skip the Jason leisure bodies. For four years old, Bradley Cooper's forty four. Felix? All right. Okay. All right. Not bad ready. Alison. Okay. Who who should I go to on the on the call screen? No. You need to also needs to go. First to set this up. Alison, top your jokes. Stop pretending. Like, you're screening calls. You're not screening calls. All the calls are on hold already. We can see that. I would go to one or three. All right. Who's one Sean you're on seven ninety two ticket? Not not who's Dan, interrupting Inc. Interrupting sheep who. To be a little. I know that anything is on the phone when I did I made him do that joke with me. And he didn't Rummy there either. I'm like bring it for like put him up there. And he's going to do it. Right. You want to recreate the joke. Knock knock who's there, interrupting shoot? That's how it's supposed to go. Alison, good job. Come your joke. You want me to tell the joke. All right. There's a turtle and a snail. Wait disney'll says. Oh, I did it wrong. Okay. Come show me. How to do it? Then. Because I did it wrong. I didn't know how to tell the tell me how to tell it teach me how to tailor joke. I did it wrong. I did it all their kids jokes. They're not adult. Okay. I like snail say on the turtle's back. We he didn't get it. Billy goes. I don't get it. So. Faster than the snail. What did the string beans state of the string bean? I don't know how you mean. What did the sand dune say to the fan? Go back. What was the porcine? How you? String bean sand dunes state of sand. String beads state of the sand. Oh, wow. This is next. How you being? The Joe we're on a roll. Let's go to Sam Sam you're on seven ninety two ticket go on three three. Yeah. Sprinter's e before they raise. What are they eat? Nothing passed. As a half a beat. Dick is fast easy. Let's go to Marcus, you're on seven ninety take Marcus. What what what what kind of breakfast? Dinosaurs love actually, screwed it out what he says on their pancakes. What did I tear up crop? Syrup tops. Try sarah. Gold standard now, which we're judge winning right now henceforth, let's go one more onto dove you're on seven hundred classic dove. Yeah. This is not a joke. At a David certainly comedy related means more to the Miami Heat franchise for the tail end of their career was Tony tarintino. Are you down his house on? Yeah. So dome. Uh-huh. I have a hard time. Why I have a hard time watching he gamed on TV now without Tony periods. Stove. And I think you've got to go. Novi. Dobie? Dobie? But. Gobel doe? Don't gooby. Yeah. We were going with the theme dove though of oh the bedroom. Comedy related. Okay. No, it's not. It's not comedy related, but do you wanna policy? I do. Badly does go. Okay. So yeah, I'm sorry. Everyone. Until you Don them. I am most sorry. I just checked my mentions that was a huge mistake. I'm sorry for pointing out that you'd honest has them was probably a bad basketball player. Criticism. This doesn't seem sincere. I'm legitimately sorry. Bad take. I'm not getting the feeling that you feel like he's any better player. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Because clearly what he brings the team surpasses what he can do on the court, and I have no way of knowing what he does for this team. Right. You also have no way of knowing what he does for this team. Either though, not how Paul sincerity and that is not their donlevatar five six one. Stugatz. Hated five six. This is our show with stugatz on the ticket. Dan, you've been sitting silently in that studio for several days now even throughout the weekend just been sitting there, and I think it's high time we bring you in. Finally, I've found myself in quite the quandary because I have to be a responsible taste maker of the industry down here. Locally and merely that job, by the way. This seems self apply. I did not ask for this backpedal in it did not ask for this. I'm merely made the observation a rational observation that it's a little ridiculous that we're now four years into this whole is you Don is gonna retire. Probably should but we're gonna make him make the decision. And then he makes as we always got to try to give them a little sweetener. And then he just keeps hanging around. And it's probably not the coolest thing. I all thought we were all on the same page he jumped on top of a basketball hoop and media day. And he said that he's given everything that he needs to improve in everything he asks who in this game it sounded like a retirement announcement, but he had actually make it. And now he's talking about coming back next year. And we're going to do this thing again. And I just pointed out that why is it always his decision, and he's been a bad basketball player longer than he was ever a good one. Yeah. He went like he's in the middle of an identity crisis right now. Mike, I think as knows all in on heat. And now he's like going the complete and by the way, he was all in on here. Right. And then he'd get criticism for being heat Homer guy. But he had that crowd that those people that wanted heat Homer guy were in his corner. The Suns lost break him. He was I've been broken dog. You want you want to know something? I was the only one that watched that game. That tells you the state of the heat is it I was watching that game really rated them on for you to watch. It was a really really good end fan. Did you watch that game? Okay. So he had at least this core of heat fans. That were like, you know, what I like this Mike Ryan he's saying a lot of right things. Well, they weren't right? But they he had those people in his quarter. And then today he came in for some reason decided to pull complete one eighty and gold the complete opposite and burn those people to and has turned everybody gets his burning down the church like what you're doing with as long as you're just you're burning down the church next stop. I'm going to burn down the whole religion. It's so unnecessary. Like, I was going through the D league Rosser saying would you rather they sky fifteen? Guy said liggins, I said, I'd rather have gone. But it doesn't matter. The fifty percent doesn't matter. And then Chris pointed out, which is you know, a good point. Wouldn't it be better for the league players to be playing in developing in the D sitting on the bench, not playing at all or solid point? Yes, it's weird to do this with the fifteen. Well, how many of us wouldn't want that job though, that gig of we decide when we retire on our terms. He's the only one to get it has the only one to get it here. Dwayne Wade didn't get it. It's just a little weird great. It is unusual. I won't dispute that getting to do this. He's a player coach. If you've seen the reports he works these guys in practice. He's Juwan Howard. He's doing what you want Howard was doing as you transitioned to assist, but you want how did that for one year. I he was playing more. I know listen if twain was going to get paid two point three million dollars a year, and it was fine playing four minutes. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to them. You can be on the scene forever. But he's never going to do the reason my wrong is because when they make the inevitable run here to get to the Pacers in the first round of the playoffs. Mike Ryan will absolutely think that you Don is has lem jumpers will win that series. I will be calling practice start at one point because we do need the defensive intense. Ity? And remember the Seth Nikki pointing out Miami Heat undefeated when Donna's has makes it three. I still think that's the case. Anyway. So yeah, how desperate or you or both content and to get away from the losing that your last stop is side swiping. You his has them who you have only loved since you were a child. I got myself. I this myself Billy's right when he says, you're having an identity crisis for sure it's crazy like a couple of weeks ago. I said they should name the bench after you dawn is has them as an honor since he's always on the bench that didn't stick. No one even remembers that happening, but they're gonna murder Mike Ryan for this take because it's totally unnecessary. He started his career in two thousand three two thousand four he got the foot injury in two thousand and ten seven years of being good. They're gonna make them. Nice. That's been a bad basketball player longer than remember. And if you wanna point that Indiana series, the whole thing about the Indiana. Series. It was like oh my God. He made the shots because he's not that good anymore has lemming. It was called the verb. Verb has them was verb to play defense in a way that allowed you to leave has Lhamo p he's our Nick collison? He's our Nicholson Nicholson was probably more efficient of a basketball player. But he he's our Nicholson and didn't call us and get the same respect where you get to. You got to keep saying might get this respect where you get to keep coming back to work. He's Milton from office space. I'm just saying I'm just asking the question. Does it ever end is it respect? Or is it fear? Oh, I have a great amount of fear right now for what I'm doing. Yeah. I ain't awkward. You had like this really half ass apology last segment that then you came back and double down on which is like a really, I didn't know it was a genuine apology. I apologize. He should be on this roster. I have no idea what he does for this team. Also, neither do you guys. Neither does anybody except for coach Spoelstra, and I'm sure it's it's it's it's got a value. And it's the fifteenth guy he's not taking an important roster spot. And that's where all back down, do whatever you want with that spot. Obviously the Miami. He everything's going. Well with this team. They don't need any sort of change in direction. Whatever they're doing with that fifteenth Rosser spot is clearly working there behind the Orlando Magic who just lost in the next I'm done. Now. You've got me thinking that every NBA team should have like a celebrity as their fifteenth roster spot. There we go now, we're working with this more Cuban should be the fifteenth guide right house mave every game is the same celebrity or rotating. I'm just spitballing here. I could be swayed play just as much just to got you've missed out on a good segment that we could use last segment. Oh, yeah. I forgot your here. So it's a joke of the day thing. Yeah. So we have lines of joke of the j seventy six. I can't hear you. What's the best joke that I should go to right now? Chris Allison screen and just pick a random on. All right, but okay, when you need to give them a name when you hear the sound you're on the air. So you're on the air. Brian. You're in the. Hey, what do a cat on the beach and Christmas having gone? What? They both have sandy claws. Again. Sandy claws. Let's go to line five. Let's go to Lauren. Hey, guys, watched a great program about beavers. Is this one of the best damn program? I've ever seen. Get them out. And there's an echo. I mean, you work in the business. Yeah. And did you pay attention to what he said? It was terrible. What's what's the next one that I should go to here? You know? All right wish she didn't hear that. Last caller, go to line four steak sauce, you're on seven ninety two ticket a one. Hey, what's up guys, he steak sauce stake? Hey, so last night address next to you kick it on their frigerator but wife got mad at me. The fridge. Welcome anytime. So that the best job so far. Fast. Okay. No, what someone told me yesterday that tanenbaum in English means Christmas tree that is German for Christmas tree that's not related to anything. I just thought I'd share that with everybody. Thank you for sharing that. You're welcome. Chris what Brian Flora's say about Kyla Murray? What does it mean? All my God big quotes coming out of the combine starts today. Oh, wow. I'm Flora's talk this morning. Yeah. But but it's not a good combine day. Right. That's equivalent of peace and sees its kick running back through there. But it's offense a lime in. Yeah. Offensive linemen and kickers, really mainly. Right. But the big news is he there was some comments from Brian floors about calorie. Really? Wow. What did you say quote? He's a really good player. Oh boy. And quote, that's their guy. What does it mean? It means that they're guy you think it means. That's her guy. I think that means that's their guy. Yes. But Arizona could be their guy as well. In Arizona has first crack at them. Yeah. Tyler moore. He's not gonna go to the the dolphins need to move up. I saw the betting odds in the dolphins of the favorites to get him. Okay. But at their spot or just a move up together. I think in general like betting odds to get the player. Because I would probably do that in terms of getting up. They're going to have to get up higher than thirteen quarterbacks. They're just way to decide to the mid round like that especially when you're perceived as a best quarterback in a bad quarterback year. How high do you think they have to get? I have no known maybe number one. Maybe maybe number one. What do you give up for number one? Well, obviously, thank obviously, your first this year, probably a first next year and some something in addition to that Arizona's sort of in the catbird seat right now because they have a supposed quarterback of the future already even though he's coming off of of what most would call a bad year. They still have the young quarterback that a lot of teams would would cut it in Josh Rosen. So it's not that's not normally the position of a number one overall draft pick. Usually, you know, they have to address the quarterback position. And that's not the case this year. Is there another joke that we should go to you know, the name of the floor executive vice president of football operations for the dolphins. Yeah. Mike Christmas tree. Mike. Kristen shrimp. So there was another joke that we could go to the line. That would align one Brian you're on seven ninety ticket. You guys see on the news last night. There's this guy that lost all the feeling on the left side of his body. Do you know what they call them? Now. What's that? All right. Pecent? He warriors tonight. I hope that's not true. I'm praying for the guy. But I think he's all right. It was a joke. Oh, he's all right. Hey, good one. I get it. All right. Yeah. All right. Got it. Did you watch true detective season three the whole season? Actually, not watched the entire season. I have the entire season done. I have to episodes of finale was just on Sunday. I just saw the entire season. I have the final two episodes. Okay. But you you've liked it. So I've loved it. Yeah. Okay. It's I think episode seven is where things get a little crazy in that. They actually show. Spoiler alert. If you want to be surprised, this might be incentive for most watch. Mardian Russ make an appearance. Thanks, Mike Mardian Russ from season one both of them and make an appearance not in the flesh. It's a photo of that. Oh, wow, wasn't count but season one and season three are tied together but very loosely, but it's a fair question. Very loosely photo by photo the fair question, though, if they're in a photo have they actually been in episode. It's not it is.

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Best of The Odd Couple for Jun 19, 2020

The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

40:58 min | 3 months ago

Best of The Odd Couple for Jun 19, 2020

"Forgotten is a new podcast about hundreds of young women who have disappeared turned up dead in Juarez Mexico right across the border from El Paso Texas, it has to worry about borders, migration and corruption. We talked to victims, families, FBI, agents and a former US ambassador to understand why these crimes remained unsolved. Listen to forgotten women of whereas on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your put costs. Thanks for listening to the best of the odd couple podcast be sure to catch US live every weekday from seven pm to ten PM. Eastern four to seven Pacific on Fox Sports Radio Find Your local station for the ad couple at Fox sports, radio DOT COM or stream of live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching F S are. You're listening to the best of the odd couple with Chris Russo and Rob Harker. Start here very main out. By J, Mac, but Kendrick Park is in Kevin durant former teammates and very good friends back in Oklahoma City. They've gone added a few times perk. Criticize K. D. for Lee. Well, he said Westbrook was the best player ever in Oklahoma City, history said he was like Mr, thunder and he is Mr Thunder Katie's better but Russ. If you had to pick a Mr Thunder, it's rustling. That's only he stuck around. Like. Better than, but he's also great to. He's also an iconic player, so he's not as good as K. D., but it's not like you're giving it to Nick Collison. Player in deserving of it as well so, but they went at it about that. And then. Y off on Kyrie. Irving, who of course is Katie's good friend and teammate? Now in Brooklyn KK Perk went off on Him, wink for Kyri talking about they shouldn't play in Orlando, and all that and K. D. responded to an instagram post or twitter, one of tweet, one of them and call perk sal out. And then posted like video of perk shooting in airball from his career. Something like that. and. Perk responded today emotionally or I take on ESPN. Here's what he said. Just because I don't agree with Cara going on. Don't mean I'm not fighting the same fight. The two hours of fighting I am fighting for African. Americans are been have and then I'll make you a cell. They don't make me sell out because I have a different opinion or disagree with someone else. That's going by the way I actually applaud anybody. That's fighting the fight right now in the miracle. A later in the show. Really Stephen A. Started talking. He wasn't critical a perk, but he said apart teared up, and tears came around, so he was very emotional and here's why. Because one of the worst things you can call be called as a black man particularly by another black man. Is Sell Out. Or somebody equivalents, uncle Tom Kuhn all that stuff. And, Steven. Has. been called a sell out himself and he addressed that or I take and I would like to say this about it. And I know there's another way to look at it and I think you're going to address that. J Mac, but on our show undisputed skin, Shannon Shannon Thought Katie. was calling perk a sell out as a former player saying? Oh, you, you know so you a former player now that you in the media? You're critical of all the players, so he took it that way. I took it away perk did he was? Katie was calling perk out as a sell out to black people. And Look. Everyone can relate to this because in in in virtually every culture I would say in every culture. Being a traitor. Or a sellout. Is disrespected. It's not respected in any cultural throughout the world. That if you go against your people or your nation. Purposely to get benefits money favor fame, whatever it is from the opponent of your people or your nation. Then, you sell out your a traitor, and I don't know of any culture that looks favorably on that, so it is a horrible insult to be called that and I would just like to say is there are sell outs? I say somebody that's purposely going against the interest of black. A black person at purposely goes against the interest of black people. To, curry, favor or get money or fame, or some position from whites is a seller. You know any of those broussard's yes. Someone who's always criticizing black people and bringing up their shortcomings. But won't dare be critical of whites and their shortcomings. I would say that qualifies sell. If. You're going to be critical of people shortcomings. Keep it across the board regardless of race. and. But. Here's my thing in the black community. We too often throw that word around sell uncle Tom. Kuhn. We throw it around at people just because we have differences of opinions about something. Like there are blacks. Blacks aren't a monolith anymore than white people or any other race is among the live, and so they are genuinely African Americans who want the best for our people, and when our people to progress and advance, but they have different opinions on how we should do it. Some Democrats Summer Republicans some left some right or in-between. But we to if if some like you is historical, Malcolm X. was calling Martin. Luther King sell out whether you use that term or not. That was what he was saying until he matured and realize it's just different ways to skin, a cat and we should have been working together WB. The boys called Book Washington essentially a out 'cause they had two different views of how we can uplift black people. They both love black people. Neither of them was a sell out. You can have genuinely different opinions, or what is best for us how we can. Best as people move forward and I think we need to stop throwing that word around. When is merely a difference of opinion? If you'RE GONNA, use it. Make sure it's appropriate. Don't just use it because somebody disagrees with how we should move forward. And it's a it's a divide and conquer tactic. And, it does divide the black community, and we end up not being able to get what we need to get done done in sometimes because of it, so that's my take on this per look. You know I love Kyrie's sentiment I. Don't agree that they should sit out this year, but I love him. thinking out of the box. In terms of you know what as As black players, we've got power, and if we ever decided to sit out, we can always do that to get some of the things we need as players or to help our people that should always be on the table for black people, and so I like that, even though I don't agree with the timing, and obviously you need a plan that goes with it. So I disagree with Perkin I disagree with how hard he went at Kyri. But perk wasn't selling out. Purchase had a difference of opinion. I think it's better for the black players to make this money help to community with that money. So that's my take. Chris I largely agree with what you said. I'm going to more agree with Shannon I. Don't necessarily think this was a race. You heard how perk took a yeah. He's early, took it. I mean I I can see how he takes it that way. So a quick little story on my background, so I had started this I was in newspapers and then magazines, and I started this little website, right? It started out as a blog a hobby this before instagram and twitter. Okay, and I started like bootstrap the whole damn thing okay. I didn't come out. Is that the one where used to kill me? Even though I was nice to you I. I did not kill one of the I basically started it not on credit cards, just on blood, sweat and tears. I would do the website morning, and at night and Chris after a few years to start to gain traction. Everybody loved me. It's like the Scott. Van Pelt the ESPN. sportscenter anchor told me man they love you and your the little garage band when you little garage van. We look, and then I sold the website and it got written about in the new. York Times and everybody's like Whoa. Ho Hold Up. This guy got paid and the next thing. You know all those people who used to love me as a small shop now we're like manic. Sell out. I got called that men loosely just 'cause. I sold a website. That's it. So all of a sudden I was a Oh, you're on the other side now. You're you're basically big media? You're not a small guy anymore and I think durant looked at Perkins. It's admit you were in the League three years ago. Twenty, seventeen, twenty and eighteen. You were in Cleveland. And now wait a minute. All of a sudden. You're in the studio taking checks from the media and you're blasting us. Really. Do, you agree with that cinema. Listen because. Here's the thing at Robin I. Tell former players all the time. If you are going to move into the media business, then you. You gotta say something. You can't be up here. Just giving cliches and you know. Being mealy mouth sitting on the fence. Free agent when offended if you're Brian former teammate. Or anything like that and Chris a lot of these guys that we work with s one former athletes, current athletes come through there, and some of them want to sit on the fence and I'll never forget this. I was on the panel with Kenyon Martin I. Don't know if you were there that day. And a couple of the guys in Carmelo Anthony came up as a topic, and I'm a die. Hard Knicks Fan for the longest time and Carmella just to me out. I got so upset with him. I didn't think he ever delivered. He may basically blew up the knicks because he demanded so much kit. Jeremy Lin out of town. Blah Blah, Blah okay. Kenyon Martin is tight with Carmelo. Anthony and I didn't know that and I went former team. They were closer than that off the court. They were boys and I went hard. Carmelo and Kenyon Martin looked at me. And I came back a little. You Martin is an intense dude Chris I grew up in the BURBS. Neck tattoos and Kenyon Martin. It's super friendly I'm telling you. The cameras are off Kenyon. Martin is the nicest guy and then I went after one of his guys, and he went hard at me and I was like that. Hard on air. What pretty hard to be on air? Okay, some of the producers were like in the like that was good tv because I'm not going to back down. You know me listen. You know a lot about the NBA. Kenyon Martin played in the League. He's a smart guy, no stuff but I. I saw it from a different perspective and I think in this situation Kendrick Perkins again. He's removed the locker room. He's sitting in his house. You know he's going into the studio. Down there in the trenches with guys anymore, he's just not, and I think he went harder. And harder to I kind of agree with Perkins here. I got no issues with the way. When after now you know I, have those you? He said he if he was a bird. If his brain was in that of a bird, the bird would fly backwards because that's how ignorant careers something something to that degree that he could've been critical loving, but he didn't have to go that. There's a lot of evidence that Kyrie. Irving from the flat earth stuff to what you said yesterday that surprise me. Listen Man Curry. This game! He doesn't love it look. At some people around the League of told me that I'm not saying that's definitely true. I'm just saying that's on the lips of. We're talking about a guy who basically won a championship with Lebron, and it was like peace I'm Outta here I don't well, and he hit arguably bigshot and NBA right. He had a huge shot. This walks away from playing with Lebron, Know Kawai and Paul George. We're like I'M NOT GONNA. Join forces with you. Kyra was on the team and one a title, and said no not good enough I'm done then he goes to Boston place for Brad Stevens one of the best young coaches in the league I know he hasn't won a championship. He's a young coach. A lot of people wanNA play with him. He's got Jason Tatum as a wingman. He's like man. That's good enough I can't deal with these guys. These young Guy Jason Tatum. Jalen, Brown. They don't WanNA listen to like he's never going to be. In Brooklyn Kyrie Irving. Hold on, just saying he hasn't played with Katie and but but he will okay I'm they're very curious Chris. Are you optimistic on that duo together now? Championship I, think it'll be. Kyrie's fault, but I don't see no win. The championship feels ripe for an implosion. We're WESTBROOK. Whose team is it Cairo Katie K. D.. K. D.. Bet You ask I read that. He got a stronger personalities K. D's T. why did he follow? KIRITA, Brooklyn! Because he he had no leverage to push Kyri to New York once he got hurt. I can buy that, but I I'm telling you right now I don't remember. Kyri was playing with Lebron and I'll never forget in one of the stories. Tyron Lewis now man, you gotTa do this Kyrie. Irving basically tossed the basketball. You are you do not like? Topic and you going off. What let's. Tyron listeners. Lebron's team I'm not doing this. You tell them to do it. Okay Dude. Okay. Players in the NBA. Wow, that's that's that's him a revelation. My goodness be sure to catch live editions of the odd couple with Chris Broussard Rob Parker Weekdays at seven PM Eastern Four PM Pacific on Fox sports radio and the iheartradio APP. There's an interesting story that came out today. The statue in Washington the statue of the former redskins owner George Preston Marshall was removed from RFK stadium. So, he was against, he was the former owner, but he was against integrating the franchise in the early nineteen sixties. So props to them for removing it. But I. Here's what I'm going to say as we see all of these confederate statues. Flags being removed now you you see the statue of the redskins owner. There was another one I can't remember the college. I think it was a college perhaps where there was another statue removed. I say go. Let's go the whole way. And start changing the names of these teams that are these nicknames that are Indian nicknames and look I'm not an expert on native American culture. But I I would say leave it up to the native Americans. But! Redskins is a racial slur. That'd be like the. Hat calling the team. The say ambles or the end words. I mean that's what it is, and my thing is this. If we really are against racism. You can't just be against racism that affects black people. You have to be against racism that affects all of the people that have been hurt by it in this country and the native Americans clearly. Were hurt by it. And so the only difference Allison. Obviously, there were different forms of oppression. Slave reverses annihilation darn near annihilation. But. The only difference in why the names of these native these native American nicknames remain. Is because native Americans by and large don't have the power in American society that blacks do so. Blacks have the power to make noise. We have become part of popular culture through our athletes are entertainers politicians? We have actors in the whole nine yards we have. People who do we have enough power to make noise to complain to March to protest and we have enough numbers being twelve thirteen percent of the population. So, they wouldn't dare have a team nickname a black slur at this point. And now they're removing all these other elements of the culture that have been offensive to black people, but we gotta do the same thing for the native Americans they just don't have the population to make a lot of noise about it or the power, but if we're really against. Him How can we pull down these symbols of black Oh Prussian, but not pulled down these symbols of native American oppression. And I don't look I. Don't know about the seminoles. Is that you know again I would leave it up to the native Americans. But if the native Americans, I know, some of them are differ in their opinions, but get their leaders. To African Americans. Get our leaders to speak on stuff. Get their leaders if they're leaders feel like these things are offensive. The braves the Indians the Redskins, maybe even the chiefs. If they feel like they're offensive change the names period and I think it should be. There should become a part of the conversation. This is interesting. Chris I gotta be I gotTA. Plead ignorance here I never looked into what the name redskins beans. Did you ever think to look it up or anything? Well, just think about it, though Redskins, it's like saying black skins are yellow skins, or I mean we know the contentious relationship to the least between the whites and the and the native Americans. When I grew up. Honestly you know it was the stereotype of scalping. Indians and things like that. Those were stereotype. Even Cater Bait yesterday I learned. Something I'd never knew that's enough I. Had you not the black? The black players didn't know and that's my point. If we are eliminating stuff like that and I'm not saying we shouldn't, but that's minor stuff right there. There's a lot of mine. American there is a lot of minor stuff, and this is interesting because we're seeing. We're trying to seem like. We're getting rid of all these symbols. Guy That you said they were moved to statue. George Preston Marshall, so he and a group bought the Boston braves, and they ha. They had also the braves and the Redskins, so there was some kind of connection for them to native Americans now I don't know why. If you're naming a team, you would name it the braves and the reds. Would you name it after I mean most the bears, the tight you know, most of these names are are yeah. Boy. I guess cowboys is. Doesn't make sense to me my only pushback and again I'm not saying this shouldn't be done is. If, we're trying to tell these young athletes. Hey, Dwayne Haskins quarterback of the redskins. You shouldn't suit up this fall until they changed the name of the Redskins, and then we pit the young. african-american quarterback and his whole team will, it wouldn't be a whole. Nobody would just tell him was one individual. Okay, but he's like one of the leaders of the or fighting any. You want to take chase young their number, one pick acclaiming to team I mean I just, don't it had NBA team? If it's that quickly doable? Maybe it could be something like you suggested this earlier and I'm meeting you. You say hey, we will be changing the name we're not going to be referred to. As the Redskins were still gonNA wear the same colors and the off season, we will go through a complete overhaul, or what have you and the announcers and everybody just referred to them as Washington? You know. Maybe it's something that's as the name immediately you and if you can't change the uniform, you should be changed. To get all these uniforms they come out with. Teams got seven uniforms now Oregon. Ducks have eighteen different versions of a highly omits. Repaint so easily so I mean FSU, and this one's weird, because so Chris I I grew up in like a young guy in the eighties and I'll never forget on Saturdays. You didn't have fifty million college football games to watch, but Florida state was awesome. They were loaded with bobby. Bowden Doak Campbell will be rock in with the Tomahawk, Chop Okay and you know that place is just going off A. Peter, war catches a six touchdown whatever and they play the top shop and I'm sitting there as a young kid. I don't know that this is bad toward American Indians. And I'm doing the Tomahawk Chop, and then the braves your baseball, I know you and Rob Parker love baseball when the Atlanta braves were dominant in the nineties. And the Tomahawk Chop was rocking at Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta. That's pretty cool imagery from my youth I mean it's tough for me to just say man. We got to remove that, but again if it is racist and deemed that Ray, get it Outta here. Go for I love the Non Jemima pancakes and serve to I mean like you said as a kid. We don't know you know. Yeah, you know, and even sometimes adults may not have known and let. Let me. Tell you this you motions today. If we're really really serious about getting rid of racism in our country, it can't just be you know because black people have enough pop of population to make noise about it or black people. Are you know great, great, such great athletes and entertainers and we've had a president now that we're gonNA. Listen to them, but we'RE NOT GONNA. Listen to the native Americans I. Mean It's you mentioned today's June teeth right right, okay. I never learned about that growing up in history class, right? Around Christmas addicts and Martin Luther King's. Lincoln and slavery, and all that, but you know why I didn't know. Black Yeah I'm aware. Aware so I'm just saying. As far as blacks was addicks Martin Luther King I I'm going to be honest. I did not know what June eighteenth was I'm reading about it all day today, and all these people post on social media and Chris. Talk me through this I'm thinking. Okay a lot of guys I know I respect are posting about this. Do I look like some kind of fraud and phony? If I just post about it because I pick up basketball, I got a lot of black African American friends, and like they're all posted about this and I'm like reading and I'm like man. This is crazy. How did I not know this? Were you learning? Social media respective from and again this minute social media who cares ignore it I hope one day by the way Chris to be rich enough to not give a crap to go on social media. That's one of my goals in the next decade. Okay? I hate social media right now. I'm so over twitter of. You're on instagram ought. To be. It's part of the business you've got be in the discussion. You gotTA. Start a discussion, you guys. I it's frustrating, but anyways. What does what would you say to someone who knew nothing about June teeth before this week? What would you say to them if they wanted to go on social media and pay homage to it? I would be fine if you sincere but how? Are you sincere. Here then didn't day in the African Community. Learning if you have earned enough about it. You've been really touched by the events of recent weeks and you really want to change. And you're sincere. Then I have no problem. Let me tell you a quick story. As well forty five seconds. I told my Saturday radio. Show in my producers were like stunt, so I got a I daughter who's in kindergarten first grade. They're playing at recess and this kid has spray bottle. And he spraying the bottle of water, and my daughter's like spray me. He goes. I can't spray you. You're too dark. You will make my water dirty says. This is my kindergarten daughter two years ago. I went postal. Obviously I went to the teacher. And the teacher talked to the parents and they were like stunned. We know the parents like they're going through a bitter divorce I. Don't know what's going on there. At any rate. They made the kid like write a letter and apologize and all this stuff but Chris. I I now had to explain to my door yet. Your mom is white. I'm mixed. You're mixed and my kid. During this, we took him to protest. He's so dad. Like how much black am I like on a scale of zero to ten at unlike you know I'm I'm thirty three percent thirty five percent year, probably ten or fifteen. Maybe we'll do the twenty three and me, and like as a data. It's tough man, explaining some of this stuff to elementary school kids. It's very difficult and again we're mixed, so it ain't easy like. We're learning. I'm I'm still learning. I don't know if you had experiences with telling your kids. Hey, you know we're black or But period you know. I mean. It was never a doubt in our family. Mother's brown skin and their darker to me. so we are just our whole families black. I've always you know I mean. My Birth Certificates Negro I've never I've never been called myself mixed mixed all my. Are Black. They like a lot of them are light skin, but is never been a question about what I'm identifying as right. You know so I haven't really had that issue. Have you talked to your daughter's a lot in recent weeks about. Very active social media about this and we've talked to. We just growing up. We talked a lot about race and black history, and and things like that, so I mean this stuff's important and not only for the black families and mixed families, but for white people like honestly. Get out there and teach your kids about other races. Yeah, anyways. Sorry started derail that clock. Sports Radio Best Sports Talk Lineup in the nation catch all of our shows at Fox, sports radio, DOT COM and within the iheartradio. APP Search F. S. are to listen live my man J. Mack has some strange views. About Colin captured as our heart. In the League. I'M GONNA. Let you know I want him in the League. Homage is for squelching the protests, the peaceful protests. WHO's that to? WHO's the one that paid the price for that? who was the leader of Capper Nick? He should be in the. He's good enough. He's thirty two. I'm not saying he should start, but he's only thirty two. We know the tally he has. We know that the glee style of play has adapted now with every team, but many teams to his style of quarterbacking. He should be on a roster. Get it done. We know the talent he had. We don't know if he has the same talent. Now Listen I. do believe like you Jason would be great if nine forty two. If capper nic were in the League it would be great for the NFL. It's easier said than done Chris. This idea that we could just snap our fingers and boom caps on the chargers. It don't work like that clearly. And the problem with the chargers, which a lot of people are pushing because they have a black head coach Anthony Lynn and they have a system that probably could fit capper nick the just spent a top ten pick on Justin herber fine, okay, most teams I would say. Ninety nine percent of teams carry two quarterbacks every week on the active roster, and the reasons because you need players, Thurs, who's their third string quarterback currently the chargers I read quarterback is a guy. They picked up and they really WANNA. Make him the guy because he doesn't turn the ball over like Philip rivers not tyrod Taylor. Third-string tyrod Taylor's one just another third is eastern stick. Okay okay. WHO's that would? Nothing of guidance. Eastern stick however, this is what makes it challenging. Okay, let's say you WANNA cut eastern stick and pickup capital. That's a big. That's a wid. The first day of training camp. You'RE GONNA have reports of CNN MSNBC. Fox more reporters than I've ever been at a chargers game. And they're gonNA. Make a beeline for one guy. Now! Maybe that's fine. and. The team doesn't care and that's good. Then what happens Chris in week one when they look at the active players and Colin Kaepernick is inactive meaning. He is not dressed to play. Are People going to be like well. What exist what? Why is it Kapernick out there? This is this is not right, but then what are you going to the guy? You just invested a top ten. Pick on a you going to make him inactive, and that's why I think. The most likely scenario Chris for Kapernick would be an injury to someone. A starter, a backup, and then capture nick and Cam Newton who be the first two guys that everybody calls because listen, we know every year. quarterbacks get hurt. Remember a couple of years ago Jimmy Garoppolo towards ACL in like week. We know Aaron Rodgers has been hurt. We got a lot of injuries that the quarterback position I think capital will be on a team this year I just don't think he's going to go into like training camp on a team, and that's not GonNa make people happy, so you think he will I if giant. If a quarterback gets injured now he will end up I think he will. Now you work with Nick right a lot on first things first. First and he put out there that the chiefs makes sense and from this perspective they do. There's a super bowl champions. Okay, that's very easy to say. Hey, we're on top and we have the best quarterback in the league. He was the MVP then he was a super bowl MVP. Nobody's done that before the twenty five, so there's no controversy whatsoever with a lot of these other guys like trubisky right trubisky and foles are going to battle for it. If. You bring a camper. Nick wool cap better than those bums. You'RE NOT GONNA. Have that with the chiefs so here? The Cheese Robin talked about that. Yeah, the chiefs makes sense for that reason. That's the one team where it's like a slam the not that's not the one team. There are many teams Russell Wilson Seattle. Lamar Jag later. There's a lot of teams where it wouldn't be a controversy. The only question and and you brought it up. If kapernick signs with the chiefs, obviously, he's going to get a lot of attention, which nobody really wants their backup quarterback I e Tim Tebow to get a lot of attention. But the attention especially, we're about to try to win our second super bowl. You know you want to focus on that. Rather than what cabinet is saying, right? The thing is this though the attention would wayne. You know the news cycle today usually Tibo initially, it would be all a Lotta Capri stuff for the first few weeks, If if there's racial unrest, the they're gonNA go to Cabernet. Yeah you know and if he's kneeling and maybe half the team's not nearly like so that's the I I hear what Nixon I think that she can make a lot of sense because there wouldn't be a controversy. However, it could still potentially be some be a bit Harry 'cause. A lot of attention. Again we go over it. F S One and walking the halls or former coaches GM's. I I'm a sponge around these guys. I'm trying to learn as much as I can, and though number one thing they said is Oh, you never want distractions. You do not want distractions. They derailed. Tell you wise. That's a big reason. Why is not on the team? Needs sued the League. Obviously it was a big one, so I agreed true very true very true, and when Kapernick is a distraction and the chiefs. Repeat and they lose the first round. There's GonNa. Be Some finger pointing like listen the predict. Stuff was wearing our locker room, right? Suddenly are his teammates GonNa look at him, and if they're not kneeling is going to be like. Yeah, you don't believe you're not. You're not on board like. Does it become that kind of thing I? Don't know I mean. Should everybody deal? Yeah, take a knee go for. Drew brees is going to take a knee. That's for sure. Bill O'Brien coach of the Texans said he's going to take a knee. My guess is he will not start the season on a roster and a team ultimately will pick them up when you shawn. Watson goes down or somebody gets injured now. John, verse, the Furs Guy Picked up should became new. Now I. Don't know what's Cam is better than I. Mean Look I'm going. This, I don't even like saying this, but going off his instagram videos. He looks awfully healthy, you know. We don't really know. I'll give you that, but he's not going to be. The question that Cam Newton is better than Colin Kaepernick, but is he. Is Cam GonNa say I'm cool being a backup. No, that's why I said if if a quarterback gets hurt, yeah, I'll put signed cam to be my starter over before signing Colin Kaepernick right now. What if the Jaguars storrow and six? They got a terrible team Gardner. MINHSIU is their starter. Do. You Think Katherine Excels tickets in? I can we call? State I mean. That's a good question. Because I football wise, it will make all the sense of the word I mean if cams going on football, wise who make sense to go for Colin. But that's a good point of what you know. What would it be like down in Florida? I mean. Would it be a product? Yeah, they. They're gonNA. Be Bad, we know the JAGS are probably going to get the number one pick, and they want Trevor Lawrence and Blah Blah Blah but I mean it's Kim going to say you know what I don't WanNa. Go to an Owen six dumpster fire. Why would I want to go there I? Knows, they want Trevor Lawrence. I wouldn't go there. So I. Just don't think it's that cut and dry d. what's your gut telling you right now? Cam? We'll be on a roster. Often Camp Know My gut tells me he will not be on the rise. What about cabinet? I feel like he will. But. You know. I say I would lean toward the affirmative that he will get picked up. Yeah, but there's a lot of negatives as you said the distractions. People you brought like I think when you bring him in. He's third string, or if you don't or if you don't have a backup, he could be second-string. But you're not bring any men thinking. He's going to start or play, yeah. And I think after awhile. You Can Stan the distraction because I think a fade a little bit. and. It would be fine, but. You know that. Most teams have the backup already. Yeah, but some teams this year. Because of the virus are going to be care. Might that could be a huge. For capturing now, let me ask you this Chris. This is where it gets weird. There are people listening right now. Why are you guys using the word distraction? What? How was he? A distraction would always bringing is a big spotlight on the systemic racism in this country. How the Hell is that a distraction? What do you say to them Chris? was just from a football standpoint. I, if you're a football coach. And you want everything focused on football and to the degree that you can. And, so nobody, this is why Tibo wasn't in the league. Because One Tiba would net good. Let's face it as a quarterback, but you don't want your backup quarterback being the celebrity. You don't want him getting more. Press attention from the press. Then you starter and again. I say that that would fade over time. Although, whenever there was a racial incident, you know they're going straight to cap yeah. So I get it I. Mean I want him in the League. I think he should be in the league, but that's real. That Israel as a football coach and team. Your job is to win to win or you get fired, right? Right so so that that's right. I understand that you know they always say. Your talent has to outweigh the distraction. You bring yeah I mean that's fair, and and if he's going to be a backup, but there are a lot of teams out there like you said Jacksonville I get, it is their plan. Their playing is to get. Trevor Lawrence okay so maybe they want to bring a cat, but there are a lot of teams. I know teams. Every team has his starter lined up, but a lot of those stars aren't that good and you know the history of backup quarterbacks Chris Basically. Your job is to keep your mouth. Shut show up on time to all the meetings. Hold the clipboard and be ready to go. You're not giving interviews right? Accident he would do I think he's understands that he will be a backup. Act Was a backup in San. Francisco before you know Gabbara got hurt, get our. Position From Gabrielle, but he was a backup and I think he'd understand I've been offered three years, and if he's a practice will tell. Is he it up in practice? is He looking great in practice? That's one thing, but if he's struggling in practice because he's rusty, he's GonNa know that how do you? How do you cut Colin? Kaepernick even our regardless of our rusty he. There's going to be a large segment of people out there. You cut capper Nick. You could cut him. You cut him after two weeks. That's one thing, but if you cut him after as if he's just not looking at good, you can cut him. I mean nope. Nobody is outlook, maybe there. I, I'm not asking for special treatment for but I. I think a lot of people think he deserves it given how he got shot. In the League right, he deserve to be given a starting position, but nobody dessert is not like it'd be one thing if he if he was ostracized right after he led the niners to the Super Bowl then I'd say yeah, he should you know. Give him a chance to start again or he maybe should start. Have the he wouldn't have been. He wouldn't have been out of the League had at. That indicates Willie have the Best Selling Jersey next year if he's in the NFL. I think. Yes yeah I would say yes. Say Popular it. Look the place. The charges do make a lot of young. Because otherwise nobody really cares about him. Just an Herbert with this strange preseason that we may have which may be very little time to get ready. He's probably not going to give you much. Tyrod Taylor just not that good. Got Collins surprise you in practice and and is is really looking good. He might be able to play. I'm not saying definitely, but maybe yeah. 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July 29: Large and In Charge

"I told the court. To. Use Small man. Giant wheel. I do wish say official that I'm wrong person right now. Uncover. Season Seven. Dead Wrong. Killed Tipple it the. Be. Available on CBC listen and wherever. You get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hello. I'm Susan Butter and I'm Chris Bowden this is as it happens the podcast edition and. Tonight large and incharge today the CEOS of some of the world's biggest tech companies defended their size and power at antitrust hearings in the US we reach a former facebook adviser who says it's time to rein them in changing our tune on what would have been his hundred birthday the Royal Canadian Mint Honors The legacy of Haida artist bill. Reid Mr reads granddaughter explains why it's about more than a two dollar coin it's in you to test a new blood test could make it cheaper easier and faster to diagnose patients with Alzheimer's Disease One of the researchers says it could be a Game. Changer couldn't have planet any better and Alberta professor tells us being part of NASA's latest mission to Mars is a childhood dream come true medical advice. A study warns medical professionals to steer clear of posting unprofessional photos on social media. So our guest and hundreds of other female doctors flood their feeds with Bikini shots and Houston. You have a problem after they're cheating scandal. The Houston Astros were probably Happy Baseball stadiums are empty but last night's game proved they're still not safe at home as it happens the Wednesday edition radio that knows it gets pretty hot when you have no fans. They. Represent companies worth some six point, five, trillion dollars Canadian, and yet the heads of Amazon, apple facebook and Google. Spent most of the afternoon today arguing that they really aren't that big after all the testimony concludes a yearlong investigation by the US House Judiciary, subcommittee on antitrust an investigation that looked into whether those companies stifled competition and innovation raise prices and pose a threat to society. Mark Zuckerberg is the CEO of facebook. Here's part of his opening statement. We're here to talk about online platforms, but I think the true nature of competition is much broader. In Google bought, Youtube they could compete against the dominant player in video just the cable industry. When Amazon bought whole foods, they could compete against Kroger's and Walmart when facebook what's up? We can compete against Telcos you used to charge ten cents a text message but not anymore. Now. People can watch video get groceries delivered and send private messages for free. That's competition. That's Mark Zuckerberg, the CEO of facebook who spoke virtually today as part of an antitrust hearing. On Capitol, Hill to go, she is the CO Director of the Digital Platforms Democracy Project at the Harvard. Kennedy school he's also a former privacy and policy adviser for facebook. We reached Mr Gauche in Cambridge Massachusetts earlier today. Mr Goes you just heard your former boss Mark Zuckerberg make the case that facebook in these other tech giants aren't bad for competition. They're actually good for it. Is He right? Well when you think about how important social media is in the context of the national and global. Economy today. On, facebook position in that market. It absolutely has monopoly power and that's dangerous. Well, that is one of the central questions in today's hearing is whether these four companies are just too big. Can you flesh out the evidence that their size and their power is having a negative impact on their competitors on consumers and on society at large? If we look at the markets that apple, Amazon facebook and Google occupy. Internet search or in social media or in online commerce or in the smartphone? Markets. These are huge consumer market places that have a huge impact on the national economy. And there's Typically one or two big players in each of these markets. And there's very little capacity for competition to develop against any of those dominant players think of facebook and social or Google in e mail or Internet search or online video. And when one company kind of controls of bottleneck. It starts to. Often misused that bottleneck in ways that harm consumers, for instance, by exploiting their wealth, exploiting their data, exploiting their attention raking wealth away from the rest of society in collecting it within their companies, and we can't really see that all the time we can't feel that any individual level. but it's happening on a societal level and that's really what this hearing is about today. So the word antitrust might sound like it's about corporate structure, but you're arguing that it's it really goes to the heart of how society functions. Absolutely, absolutely an antitrust suit. Break up suggests reining in the power of a company, but this is really a Dow. Democracy this is really about a distribution of wealth across society in ways that serve everyone not. Bigwigs. These does that are testifying today they sit atop the great American corporate success stories and they argue that the good for the economy there providing jobs fueling economic growth. And they suggest that any regulation would actually benefit China and Chinese companies like Tiktok, what do you make of that argument? Yeah. This is a this is a really strange argument when we when we look at people like Mark Zuckerberg Eric Schmidt. I they have made this argument that look if you break us up if you impose strong privacy protections than what you're really going to be doing is diminishing American competitiveness and empowering Chinese companies our biggest global competitors because they don't and potentially won't have to live by these same regulations enforced by their government. On. This isn't this isn't really misleading argument and really holds very little water because. What we're seeing is that democratic governments around the world are starting to reject Chinese technology because it's too privacy invasive. We can we look at India which has rejected Tiktok, which is a very privacy-invasive application. What does that mean? That means that? These third countries, countries outside of China and the United States one, a system of regulated capitalism. They don't want this radically open market that. Enables the exploitation of personal information and Algorithm? So, what is the best case scenario here then to do something about what you call this radically open market? I think what we are increasingly seeing is that we need to rein it in we we need to investigate the ways that their business models work. By, looking at how they collect data, how they use that data to profile people and curate content and target ads how they pursue aggressive platform growth at the expense of would be rivals. We need to look at these things and effectively regulate against them and I think that's where this hearing is going. Toward developing a new sort of digital regulatory framework by which you can hold this industry accountable. What do you say to the cynics? Who say we've been talking about this for years and nothing's happened what's taking so long? Well years ago these companies didn't have as much power but this is really how the American economy has always worked in cases of railroads or telecommunications, firms, or electric utilities in the past. But don't these digital companies infiltrate more aspects of our lives of our. Of Our democracies. Absolutely and I think that's exactly why we we need a new sort of regulatory regime for them. digital companies are very different end. They have very specific and novel economic features because when you think about the resource that they're collecting the resource, they're they're harvesting is a complex combination of our data and our attention. And that's sort of a currency that we've never thought about from a regulatory lens before which is why this makes it such a such a difficult problem for Congress to address but I think this hearing is start of something positive. Goes. Thanks for your insight today. Of course thanks so much for having me. Defy Gauche is the CO director of digital platforms in democracy project at the Harvard Kennedy. School he's also a former privacy and policy advisor for facebook we reached Mr Gauche in Cambridge Massachusetts earlier today. By the time he was thirteen years old Chris heard knew he wanted to study Mars? Now he's a geologist, a professor in the Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Alberta and his childhood dreams of studying the Red Planet have materialized professor heard is one of hundreds of scientists who were part of NASA's Mars Twenty Twenty mission as part of that mission tomorrow, the rover called perseverance will leave this blue planet for the red one it's set to arrive in February of next year we reached Chris heard in Edmonton. Professor hurt if the weather. Cooperates you will be watching this rover Leave Cape Canaveral Florida at seven fifty a m tomorrow. What do you think you'll be feeling at that moment? While tremendous amount of anticipation and excitement, and maybe some trepidation all kind of rolled into one hoping that everything goes smoothly as planned. What is the main goal of this particular Mars mission with the Perseverance Rover? This is the most capable rover that has ever sent to Mars and it it. It's goal is to look for signs of ancient life on the planet. I. Understand this this particular machine is pretty high tech with some top of the line features a very expensive internationally developed rover what stands out to you for what this rover can do. This is an amazing machine. It can do all kinds of amazing things are exploring the surface of Mars. Shooting lasers at rocks from up to seven meters away to tell us what's native and full color images and Minerals signatures at a distance, but the thing that really stands out for me, it's equipped with an arm that can reach out to talk and core a piece of that rock out and collected as a sample. The idea is that those will get at least twenty samples hopefully more like thirty or thirty five samples from this landing site that we will cash. On the surface leave on the surface for eventual return to earth. Tell me about that why why do it that way? If you're going to send the mission to look for life of you really do need the samples that's really what it comes down to. We can use the rover to find the rocks that tell us that they environment that reflected in the. Rocks was habitable. That is there was liquid water and it was relatively warm temperature, etc. at the time when the rocks were deposited in this case, we think about three and a half billion years ago, and we might even be able to see the signatures Cules Navy layering in the rock that could be ascribed to life but in order to say definitively. We need a sample of that back in labs earth. So we can throw everything we have at it everything. We know about trying to detect life in ancient rocks on the earth to these ancient rocks on Mars to say definitively whether life was actually there and when you're talking about whether life was actually there you're talking about a long long time ago. Yes this landing site of Jezreel crater was once crater lake that is a crater filled with water maybe up to several tens of meters. River running into it, the river deposited sediments in what's called a Delta and we have access to all of those things as the rocks now deposited our understanding is that our estimates are that the lake was there about three and a half years ago and during a time when Mars was generally speaking warmer and wetter and more hospitable for life. What is you mentioned these samples and how important and interesting they are to you what's the plan for getting these samples back to Earth? Well Perseverance rover is the first stage. Our job is to collect up these these samples. There's going to be sealed in tubes and left on the surface, but the follow, there'd be a series of follow on missions. One will be a fetch over that would land in about. The mid twenty s and were zip around and pick up those samples and put them onto a rocket inside a capsule on a lender, and that will then launch into orbit around. Mars. Put that capsule into orbit around Mars will wear it will be. Caught up by a another orbiting space craft, which then turn around and bring that home. The idea being that the earliest that the samples could come back to Earth would be twenty, thirty one. How is this mission working to lay the foundation for? Possible future human exploration of Mars. There's a lot that we can learn the mission includes. An experiment on board that will take in carbon dioxide from the Martian atmosphere and make oxygen from it a scaled down version of what you might need if you were to send humans to Mars. To have a source of oxygen for breathing for for fuel it also, of course, the other key thing is that we're not just gonNA like the rocks we're GonNa make sure we have a sample of the soil and there's a lot that we don't know about the Martian soil about the the soil and the dust including even its talks toxicology how it was. There anything in there that we need to be concerned about if astronauts are living and working with it and potentially breathing it in when they're when they're living on the surface. So so it lays a lot of the groundwork in in terms of of what we're going to do with humans also because the whole campaign involves bringing samples back for Mars you know eventually we're gonNA WANNA, send astronauts, and bring them back from Mars. Now, there's a lot of information that we can learn from that process to he think you'll be getting any sleep tonight. Hope I. Hope A bid for. It's pretty early here to get up to watch laurence, but I'll be there. If, you're a thirteen year old self knew. That he'd be participating in something like this some day. What do you think he would have thought dream come true. That was the age I decided I wanNA work on samples from ours and I don't think that I ever really could foresee the sort of path that it took to get to this point and that I be even involved in such mission but so it's It's absolutely thrilling. So yeah. Yeah definitely a dream come true for that thirteen year old. Well, we'll be watching. Thank you, professor. Thank you. Professor Chris. Heard is a University of Alberta geologist. He is a returned sample scientists on the NASA mission that plans to launch its rover perseverance tomorrow. Buried in the hippocratic oath is this little known Covenant Medical Professionals shall refrain from posting photos of themselves, wearing bikinis on their instagram page. That is of course, not a thing but a team of researchers recently suggested it should be a thing a study published in the journal Vascular Surgery concluded that patients choosing a surgeon may be turned off if that surgeon posts unprofessional content on their social media top of the list of that unprofessional behaviour sharing bikini photos along with drinking alcohol using bad language or wearing Halloween costumes. Doctors responded by posting photos of themselves in Bikinis along with the Hashtag Med Bikini to which the researchers responded by apologizing the Journal has, since said, it will retract the study. Dr Yaldo Safai is a interest in new. York City. That's where we reached her. Doctors Defy. What prompted you to join this Hashtag Med Bikini trend. When I was in medical school, I used to compete in a lot of beauty pageants. So a big portion of my life involved in a bikini on stage and I remember back then I get a lot of comments from a workers from family member is from students in my class that these pictures are undermine our profession or not professional I shouldn't be posting them on social media. I was always wondering why what does one have to do with another? Like this is a hobby I have very much enjoy outside of school outside a word why is it that I'm getting criticized for not being professional when it really has nothing to do with my intellectual ability? If ability to be a good doctor. So when I saw this trend going on what I saw this study on it, just a nerve right because the study described how patients change their views of a surgeon based on the surgeons, social media profiles, and they called some of these posts unprofessional is that the word that you take with? They categorized certain behaviors on social media two categories unprofessional impossibly unprofessional the description of professional acts for like drug use or taking pictures while using drugs or like posting private information about patients, which really nobody in our profession ause, and then they have this other category possibly unprofessional that included taking pictures with alcohol and hand taking pictures with swimmer or in a bikini or posting. Controversial comments, but like gun control and abortion. So I think the problem was doing drugs and posting private information about patients. It's not on the same level as taking a picture of yourself in a bikini on vacation I. think that's why it really hit a nerve for a lot of people. And hit alert a a nerve for a lot of women and yet sixty eight percent of the profiles to study looked at were men. What do you think it was about the Bikini example that prompted such a backlash from women doctors I mean, let's not kid ourselves when they were talking about picture swimwear Bikini. There were clearly talking about women they didn't have to spell it out. Nobody will ever criticize a male in his trunks on the beach in a photo. It's talking about women in the kings of the terminology they use what swimwear slash needs. I mean I got a lot of women and not so much men. Because we all know we were talking about women how they conduct this study. What these researchers did was they made fake social media accounts and an observed the behaviors in pictures of a lot of doctors without inspect. But these doctors didn't know they were part of a study. It violates the first principle of research and that's called informed consent. It was flawed. It was unethical to begin with and I think that was a big part of them retracting the study one of the researchers Dr Jeff Syracuse. Joust for the study, and he claimed that the intent was to empower surgeons to be aware and then personally decide that's a quote. Want to post on social media. Do you accept his apology? As. Much of an apology. So. I don't believe him because they clearly listed what behaviors they thought was unprofessional if they had interviewed patients and heard directly from the mouths of patients that if they see their doctrine bikini and might have a negative impact on their decision to follow up with doctor. That's another thing. Well, what do you think patients would say about that your psychiatrist but you're as you sail also a former beauty pageant competitor and model. What do you think your patients would say about photos of you and other female doctors in Bikinis? Because, a lot of my patients will go meet right. So when the me a bunch of pictures of me pop up competing passes and everything every single comment I've gone from patients was positive but oh my gosh I can't believe you did this like it's so great that you have this hobby that's so different from medicine you looked really nice and you're just like positive encouraging comments. So No, I don't believe that wearing a bikini taking a picture of it will negatively impact my patients perception of me. Why do you believe that there is sexism in medicine for this is a clear example of it. And for example, doctor by I. Looked Very Young So everytime patients interact with me in the hospital they think I'm a nurse still there's perception that a doctor has to be male assertion has to be male or Basically how we dress Kirk I've seen some of my colleagues where unprofessional clothing like males genes, which they shouldn't be wearing to work they never. Get credit card criticized but if a female has an outfit that doesn't seem appropriate for the workplace, don't get heavily criticized they even my get sent home. So what our patients to make of all this if they if they happen to have seen all of these Hashtag Med Bikini pictures and all of these posts, what do you want them to take away from this? How you decide to live your life and your personal life has nothing to do with your capability. As a doctor. I have met some of the smartest people I know that like to Artie or like two or the beach law. They posted water pictures of themselves and swimmer yet if I were issued I would go to those physicians what can compete in pageants like I did be half naked on the stage and then be capable doctor at the same time. There are no Michelle exclusive. I've enjoyed talking to your doctor. Thank you so much. She's so much was channing with you goodbye. Dr Yaldo Safai is a psychiatrist and a former beauty pageant competitor. We reached her in New, York, city, and for more on this story to our website. CBC DOT CA Slash Ai. H. Instead of being taken out to the ballgame, we've been taken out of it and one team is probably relieved. In January, Major League Baseball confirmed that the Houston Astros had cheated for the whole twenty, seventeen season and part of the two thousand, eighteen season they were fined and docked some draft picks and they fired their manager and general manager, but no players were punished. So this year, the Astros were resigned to the fact that they would face stadium after stadium full of disgusted booing fans. Instead, they're facing cardboard cutouts of fans who can't say, boo but they're also facing vengeful opponents including the L. A. Dodgers who the Astro's beat to win the two thousand seventeen world series while cheating. Last night the two teams squared off in Houston. The dodgers were up five two in the six and dodgers relief pitcher Joe Kelly was on the mound after throwing a number of suspicious pitches some of which came dangerously close to batters heads. He faced Carlos Correa of the Astros. Look out. Off Speed pitch that spills him. Brennan looking out there. Not, to say, you're trying to throw at me but to say man control, it puts us in danger. Of. That was the first pitch, a breaking ball just over Mr. Korea's head then Carlos Correa struck out and as the dodgers walked off the Field Joe Kelley apparently yelled nice swing expletive deleted stuck out his tongue at Mr Korea and made pouty baby face and it was on well on pandemic style. That's just what he did and he got a swing and a miss from Korea to get out of the ending. Joe. Kelley straaten his way off after an. Interesting. Any. Are I'd so the benches have cleared? And we'll do our best to maintain social distancing while still sending a message both sides. 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Mr Read who's high name was ill iljaz was a world renowned artist. He created more than fifteen hundred pieces in his lifetime many of them large sculptures on display at major sites in British, Columbia, his home province he worked across various mediums as a Master Goldsmith a sculptor and a writer in honor of his centennial. The Royal Canadian Mint decided to add one more medium to Mr reads collection launching a new design of the Canadian -Tuni-, featuring his painting of a grizzly bear. Bill reads granddaughter it was part of the virtual launch ceremony yesterday. Nick. Collison who's hiding name is just gung is also the executive director of the Guam Museum we reached Ms Collison Skit Gate Hyde Aguire. Ms Collison how did it feel to see your grandfather's artwork unveiled on the new Tuni? Oh, myself and my family are just thrilled it. So it's a real honor. and the the is so beautifully designed. So? I think it does this amazing tribute. It gives an amazing tribute to bill. And his legacy, can you describe the coin for us and how your grandfather's art is showcased on it? Sure will the the coin features a Grizzly bear that he did You know several years ago. And the Grizzly bear is a very important crest to which certain clans on high I have right In this case, it was celebrating Cudi, the Grizzly bear. And also that that print went towards coined grazing for children in art for a long time as well. And one side shows the actual colors of the print is adding black though. Some white behind and the other side is a beautiful rendition in looney colors and and They've done amazing job. It's really practice and you know note I I would like to speak about the Canadian mint when they first reached out to us last year, they wanted to make sure that we would comfortable with that we supported. and. Then working closer to its launch, they got ahold of us again and there was a lot of groundwork done on the coins promotion and the interpretation and information that goes with. The collector's set. And reached out to us and we're thinking okay they're so nice to contact us a year ago, but we're going into a very. Public and bureaucratic system. We're entering into the beast and and originally we thought it was more of a gesture of reaching out. But we actually sat with them and they wanted to hear the height of world view and what we thought was very important have and it was stunning. What what they changed, what they were able to incorporate, and we feel really good about it. And one of the things was that you know on the Youtube or the films you know the original voice on it was going to be in English and in French keeping to Canadian way and and you say we'll go high. And can you include Haida in that as well and they started working with my aunt logging Diane Brown and Matt Trotter the lead the team he came in he said when Leland I heard Guadiana Haida voiceover, we knew we had everything we need it because of the power of her voice and the beauty of the height of language we chose to subtitles in French and English depending on viewer's preference but you only have the actual voice over in Haida. Thing, just they're not just they're. They're real that manage. Their ability to respond it names as much as the coin itself. What is the story of the Grizzly Bear? That character? What's story? Well, it there are stories of Grizzly, bears and interactions with clans on High Tech Y.. Those are very important. And or histories. It's also a crest and crest. Are Right that certain clans have to use as identifiers. So you could liken it almost to a coat of arms, but it's very different. So say someone had a Grizzly bear on their drum as a gooch out as I think many people are familiar with Joe Very important leader and freedom fighter in our nation. And he has a drum, that has a grizzly bear on it because his clan has the right to use it. So if I didn't know who Gujjar was, but I still live within our culture, I would identify them immediately as a Raven clan. And then if I saw a secondary or another cress from their clan, I would know what was actually the Gago. Eagle. So these these crests, it's visual communication that is tied to oral history, and it is the way we show the world who we are. Your grandfather was a strong advocate for indigenous rights in. Canada. Would have been at all uncomfortable sharing space on a coin with the Queen. I think that you know in in our culture, we have many values that we strive for. You know they're also looked at his laws. And one of them is to ask for. So. I. Think I couldn't answer that question because Bill's not here to ask. But in our case, our family you know there's there's a lot of really bad history between indigenous peoples and the formation continuation of the Canadian government. You know bill also believed and making things right? which is a term any what the Western world might be called reconciliation. He was a bridge between. Our culture in the world, which includes Canada. It was in that spirit within careful consideration you know that there are difficulties were not going keep pretend they're not there. We help people there, but we also stay. In Canada pick the Canadians on the ground and because of that. He, chose to really want to celebrate with a Canadian. He was such an important influential artists. What do you think your grandfather would want people to know about him and hide a G- Y when they look at this coin? One of my favorite words or quotes of bills. Is that you can't take the art without the people. Because if you do and now I'm going off verbatim You lose so much that it becomes just a thing I think that is probably the most important. Message he would want to continue and you know another one that Haida means human being he wanted and I know he continues to want. Our people and all indigenous people to not only achieved equality but to have equity in this world well, it's a gorgeous coin Ms Collison. Thank you why. How have a really great day and Hollis so much Susan for CDC's interest. In this really spectacular in historic 'cause then. Nick Collison is the granddaughter of the late Haida Artist Bill Reid ms call us is also the executive director of the Haida Guam Museum. We reached her instigate Hydrog Y. Of all the hit a ball with a stick activities invented by human beings golf may be the most outrageous the apricot sized ball the tiny hole so far away you can't even see it, and then they add random pawns and many beaches. But what tips the whole enterprise into true bonkers misses the idea that it would ever be possible to whack that little dimpled white apricot far enough and accurately enough that it could drop directly into that faraway little hole. That's why beginner Golfer Elton Rubin started freaking out a bit when it looked as though he have done that golf course in a new VIC northwest territories on. Sunday and it's why he really really freaked out when he realized he actually had Elton Ruben described the moment on CBC radio trails end the next day. We just finished doing the first hole. going. Off to the top. So all that South Park through the whole six. Lot of us guys been talking about. It's been part of while since somebody drained it poem one. Constantly, talk about it. So it's a group of four. And I was I was the last shooter. You took the shot. boggled close growing into the whole. None celebration was. Crazy. Really is yeah it was. Like we. Like after ten minutes of You got to calm ourselves down to continue the game and. It is very windy so. Just judgment was the wind everything this. Was Perfect. Oh okay. Wow. Okay. So how did you celebrate yesterday? There's four of us though is the group before. As. Always on the t box aftershock. Ball bonds before the green rolled up rolled up start towards the whole. And I went down low just screaming getting along and. When it did not under like four kids jumping. Unbelievable. Right. Odd. You know when you take a shot like that and then you start saying, yeah. Yeah. got a hole in one and people don't believe you did people Intel believe when you were telling them that you got this whole in one shot. Well well as as I got the whole in one. So the guys near us as playing. Like near the other holes. So they learned too far. So, everybody can hear screaming. And if you're screaming there for spot so many GonNa hold. Golf, Newbie, Elton Ruben speaking with the CBC's Lawrence Nellie earlier this week. Patients with Alzheimer's and their loved ones face a lot of challenges including a proper diagnosis, but a blood test could help change that. According to research published this week in Jama the Journal of the American medical. Association. The test can determine whether people with dementia have Alzheimer's rather than another condition, and it can identify signs of early onset. Alzheimer's decades before cognitive problems appear the results are supported by other new research looking at similar blood tests Dr Eric Raymond is a senior author of the Jama Study and the executive director of the banner Alzheimer's Institute. We reached him in Phoenix Arizona. Dr Reimann just how significant is the discovery of this blood test to diagnose Alzheimer's. We're very excited about having a blood test that seems highly accurate at discriminating between people with and without Alzheimer's disease many years. Before the onset of symptoms, we think it has the potential to revolutionize Alzheimer's Disease Research. Development of new treatments and ultimately clinical care. What makes this test better? Well. Right now. There are. Tests that can be used in living people to help support the diagnosis of Alzheimer's disease. Roughly five, thousand dollar pet scans. And cerebrospinal fluid essays that require a needle in the back and they're not. Widely available. So rapidly available affordable. Blood test. Could have an impact on live number of patients and families who could begin to think about ways in which that information could help them make some important decisions. How accurate is this new test. Well, the initial results suggest that it is highly accurate that it was roughly comparable to an expensive tau pet scan. It was roughly comparable to the sweet with spinal fluid measurements that require a lumbar puncture. And that in individuals who provided blood samples in just a couple of years before they passed away that it could predict the autopsy diagnosis of individuals with the milder stages. Of the disease with about eighty nine percent accuracy and made a ninety five percent accuracy in those with more severe disease. We. Do think that there's more work that needs to be done to clarify in other populations its accuracy diagnostically. Clarify the extent to which it predicts a person's subsequent memory and thinking declines. And ultimately the see whether it also predicts. Treatments that come down the Pike that turned out to be affected figure out who might get those as well. Well, there is currently no medical treatment or cure for Alzheimer's. So why is it important to diagnose it? That's a great question. Right now sixty percent of people with memory and thinking pumps never have an evaluation partly because of the belief that there's nothing you can do about it. And while we can't slow the progression of the disease, I can tell you there's life after a diagnosis and there are a range of non medication strategies. That can be deployed to help improve the quality of life of the affected person as well as the family caregiver. What I am hoping is that a blood test when it becomes available. Will provide a way to refer families to navigate teams that could help deal with the range of financial issues legal issues. other issues about where one would live. And other practical daily issues that they do not have ready access to at that time. How would it be helpful for someone who does not yet have symptoms? To know that they have this disease. So my research program has been focused on. Doing, everything we can to accelerate the evaluation of an Alzheimer's Prevention therapy and finding one that works as soon as possible. And we think we have a fighting chance to find it prevention. Within the next five years. Let's say we have a prevention therapy that works and people who have evidence with expensive Pets Gad. To make this affordable widely available, we'd like to have a mechanism where into primary care clinic people over a certain age would be screened with an inexpensive test, every one or two years. To detect these changes and know when to deploy a prevention therapy. So, in this particular case, I, think a blood test would end up. Dramatically increasing the affordability hub and availability of prevention therapy if we're lucky enough to find one that works. How difficult do you think it might be though to convince people of the need to take this test they might just be too frightened and say I. Don't WanNa know I'll deal with it when it happens. So one of the goals that we have right now is to figure out finally have to get that information about how accurate is diagnostically prognostic. Louis. Another is how to communicate it to to patients and family caregivers in a way that would be helpful to them and not Clause undue alarm. And how to assess those communication strategy so that we are convinced that that approach. Is adding value to their lives and indeed, I think there was an opportunity. Potentially to make a test like this available in the clinical setting. Within the next two years within the next two years. That is my best guess. Finger in the air thought at this time. Whenever knows for sure but I think we need to do everything we can to. Make that a possibility what are you hearing from from patients like that and from their families about the kind of difference that this could make for them You can tell you based on our own experience at battle. Alzheimer's too. That, there has been a hunger the part of a number of family members to see a reimbursement for Medicare for expensive pet scouts attest that is cheaper. provides. The same kind of information maybe even better information could have a profound impact on their lives, but it's not just ordering the test. It's helping us to figure out how to use that information in the way that will be most helpful to them that will take some work refinement, but the opportunity is now it had. It sounds like critical work. Dr Thanks for telling us about it. Thank you for your time. Dr Eric. Raymond is the executive director of the banner Alzheimer's Institute and a senior author of a new study looking at a blood test the diagnosis Alzheimer's it was published this week in Jama. The Journal of the American Medical Association we reached him in Phoenix Arizona. The cat came back the very next day, but a bear especially in an animate one takes a little longer. Earlier, this week we heard from Mara Soriano. The Vancouver woman was searching for bear that had been stolen while she was moving the bear was a gift from her late mother and featured a message for her recorded by her mom before she died as Ms Soriano told us losing the bear was like losing her mother all over again. While I'm happy to report last night. She was finally reunited with the missing bear this morning Mara Soriano described her relief to early edition host Steven Quinn. Oh I have absolutely elated I. Feel like I'm just as I've been vibrating since we got her back just been an insane few hours and. Barely. Got Any sleep. How did you end up finding it? Well, we received an email at nine thirty pm last night from the Good Samaritan who had returned her, and he recognized the thief right away and he liberated her from him and he pulled out of the bag and my knees just buckled and I started crying because it was her I didn't even give him a chance to pull her out of the bag before I snatched her out of his arm the so they found it in attendance throughout Kona Park yes that's what he had said. Yes. Okay. Did this person want the reward that had been offered? Yes so part of the email was that you know he would've done it without the rewards but has fallen on rough times and he wants to get him and his brother kind of out of that situation and you know he did really seem like a genuinely nice person. He really did seem like he was wanting to turn his life around. The stipulation was no questions asked I just want the return of their. So all right and this reward I mean Ryan Reynolds offered up five thousand dollars and George strapless offered up another five thousand dollars kraft peanut butter also offers five. K. My goodness. So it does this person stand to collect fifteen thousand dollars then for now yet. Ryan Reynolds, we contacted him this morning and he wrote back to say that the reward is indeed being paid out. And he also says he's really happy for you and indirectly for your mom as well. He's been so so kind of even invited him to the wedding and I hope. We Mara what do you take away from like this whole crazy experience. The there's good in the world. If you look hard enough truly it's been so unbelievably negative in the media lately with everything that's been going on and I think this is the good news that everybody has just been needing to hear that you know Vancouver it can come together as a city and rally trying to find this bear with me and it's been a wild ride and I'm so grateful. Vancouver's Mara Soriano speaking on the CBC's early edition after being reunited with a missing teddy bear that was given to her by her late mother. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC Radio One following the world at six. You can also listen to the show on the web at CBC. Dot Ca Slash Ah thanks for listening I'm Susan Boehner, and I'm Chris how? For more CBC PODCASTS TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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 Gottlieb - All Ball - part 2 of 2 - w/special guest Scott Brooks

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Gottlieb - All Ball - part 2 of 2 - w/special guest Scott Brooks

"Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Ali. This is all the all basketball all year long podcast and man we had good ones. I really appreciate you downloading striving and rating our pod, make sure you tell a friend tweeted out, put it on social every want good stuff this week from Scott Brooks, which is upcoming part two of our conversation. Part one gave us his early upbringing. One seven kids dad walks out when he's really young and kind of defend themselves. There's MIR Curiel path and making it to UC Irvine after TCU a freshman, and then not making an NBA team in some league, but sticking around at Lula Marymount and eventually getting invited to seventy Sixers camp going to the Albany patrolman's back to the Sixers camp the next year, making the team getting a chance to start six games as a pro, but winning an MBA Tato with Houston traded at halftime to the Dallas Mavericks. And then this week will get. Into his coaching journey, which is really interesting one. He coached in the APA played in the we know each other very well. We know a lot of the same people, but his path becoming a head coach. What's it like to take over a team? That was that was a disaster one in twelve. I believe at the time PJ Carlesimo would lost the team. You had a young Kevin Durant. They add a Russell Westbrook and James harden, and they, they go to the NBA finals going to ask him about trading, James harden, and his thoughts at the time, his thoughts as of now we'll get what it was like. The coach knows NBA finals and what he's learned during his during his time away after losing his job with the thunder and his thoughts on this year's team with washing wizard. Plus I'm going to ask him about that John wall photo when he was practicing with team USA and he looked puffy, let's just say puffy to say the least let me quickly give you some thoughts on. The story of the day or the story of the week, Jimmy Butler wants out of the Minnesota Timberwolves watched symbols last year. I talked to many people like those guys do not like each other. I don't think there's ever just one factor Nagai wanting out. I think it's one elect chemistry. To think sometimes guys, egos aren't in check. Maybe that's the chemistry issue to it. Three. There's also the Jimmy Butler supposed to be the defender of all things Tibbs net locker room, and it's not like everybody doesn't know that. And I'm not sure he loves all things tips, but tips does depend on him and believe in him. That's why he brought him in all the rest of the seemingly the two thousand eleven bulls over to Minnesota. Now he now he wants out, but I also think the contract, the upcoming contract, the number of touches the points, all that affects him Andrew Wiggins. The better score, Karl Anthony towns better overall player, and Jimmy Butler story. Sh is one of legend. You know, homeless becoming an incredible player at Marquette, and then lightly regarding the NBA draft to being an NBA all star guy playing for team USA. But some of that some of that, that hunger, some of that maybe anger. Doesn't present itself well in the locker room eighty two games and maybe there's a loss of self. You know, the fact that he wants to be with the nets and with the clippers and with the Nick shows, he wants to be the man. I remember his friends Kyrie Irving and I, I get the idea l. my my own team, but Jimmy Butler is good enough to have his own team is not. Vs third best player. You wanna title your second best player. You cannot your best player might or might probably aren't a playoff team hasten point, Chicago. So. I'm going to be fascinating to see where he goes, what he does, but there's a little buyer beware because Jimmy Butler thinks of himself as a top ten player in the NBA and maybe toughness and versatility wise. He has some of that, but some point, it's about talent, and I think he falls a little bit short in that variety. And so the idea of making him your go-to guy is in ill-fated ill-fated path for some of these teams are, let's get to our discussion with wizards, head coach, Scott Brooks part to miss part one downloaded as well down the Jay Bilas conversation. There's something I heard you talk about which I've tried to. I've tried to share as a broadcaster and I probably and I learned it as a player, but I probably learned it maybe a bit too late. There's a difference in the role of being a starting point guard a backup point guard, and you know the Matthew del of a dove 'as the the Scott Brooks, the Darren collison when was a backup with the clippers. Like to tell me if I'm wrong like you Patrick Beverley. For example, I guys like man, Patrick Bev is like borderline dirt. Like you have to be. You gotta pick up ninety four feet. You have to change the tempo of the game. You got to be able to get out of the way and make an open shot, but also let the other guys play. It's a very, it's it's the same position point guard, but a completely different role. You're not trying to do the same thing. The starters going to do only for short a period of time, and I think it, especially for a guy like you and this is where I think there's a disconnect for fans. People that know you played in the NBA don't realize like dude, you're twenty four game in in college at a legit college drop in twenty four game and to, hey, I'm gonna score six game, but I gotta make every open shot. I got a guard. The other teams point guard who's probably a combo guard and that he averaged twenty five game in college and do it would be better against better competition in a much shorter period of time. Like that's a really hard judgment for players to make. It's one of the reasons that some guys might have more kind of upside and talent, but they can never be the backup point guard in the NBA because they can't change roles even though it's the same position. They, I mean you, you nailed it such a important shin on a team because you really have to understand everybody's role and you have to be a connector. You gotta be able to play with the starters. You gotta build. Some nice. You gotta be understand that you're not gonna play a lot of and you're not gonna get a lot of opportunities like starting point guard, but you have to have the mental toughness, feel the compete and do whatever it takes for the coach that asks you and Bill to make shots, not gonna get a lot of them, and it's funny. I even changed routine. I knew you know, most most warm ups, you always, you know, you start with like four footers and go out to six and maybe free throws, and then eventually get out to the three point line of what I did. Every time I walk into the gym, I started taking shots that will take his first shot of a game and usually was always seems you get the ball, you're wide open your feet from the basket. It's wide open three. So what I even did my pre practice worked up. I just started like. And I just shooting threes right away and not a lot because you're not going to get a lot and I was stopped and then just work on my ball handling and the, you know, do some pushups situps and then I would come back and just shoot a three like and put pressure on. I gotta make this shot. And so I think it it helped me mentally to not be able to, you know, get a lot of shots would be able to make that first shot. Unisys and coach with the thunder. It's your first season in Oklahoma City, and I think it was twelve or thirteen games in PJ gets fired. Did you know you're going to be the guy when PJ got fired? No, I, you know, I was with PJ the year before and Seattle as just an head coach. And that's the thing that people don't really put two and two together, even though they know it, but they don't really bring it up enough that the team was really bad that I think we only won twenty two games in Seattle, love TJ, great family. Just a great person to be around fun guy. Tough coach. I mean tough. Tough on his assistance, challenging made you a lot of things and you you wanted at a high level, very particular and everything you did. But so we moved Oklahoma with with the move from Seattle, and we didn't have the start that we would like to have twelve. So they ended up firing PJ and coach Westhead, and they hired me. I didn't know that I would get the job. I knew you know, I knew maybe I would the next guy for a game or two, maybe until they bring. Perfect. For the game, we just get reduced. Got our butts kicked by New Orleans Crispell. At a great team that you're at home. I mean, I think we lost by thirty, but it could've easily been sixty so go into their, but we play them back to back now we're going to New Orleans refund traveling to the airport, and I'll get a phone call from SAM's. Go on the plane. I'm like, okay, this is a strange call. And he said, I'm gonna call you back in two minutes. So I'm at the airport in my car still know what's going on back and says they were just, we just fired PJ in there. We're gonna put you as inter coach. So I don't know how he said, basically, I don't know how it's going to be just, you know, lead the team, you're going to New Orleans tonight, lead the team. So I we get to New Orleans. I think we land like by the time we get to the hotels like two thirty. We have a team eighty in little ball team Eappen. Obviously it's emotional. A lot of PG. It's not. It's not a great feeling, but it's also you gotta you gotta do job you, you gotta step up and do your job and. It was not easy game to coach. You know, losing that game, close game, middle of the fourth quarter by ten or twelve. But I started off with that team. We were one in twelve think our first win I've put, I decided and I kick myself because I wanted to do it from the first night as the put Russell Westbrook as their starting point cards. I thought he was the best point guard on gene. And so I waited like I don't know how many game six seven games in. And then I finally put him at the starting point guard at Memphis, and we end up winning. The first game tells you about, you know, his greatness that it was. I saw it early on. We also what I'm glad he seven such good success because he, he went through a lot to get there. Who were starting before that or Watson, or we starting. Player, good player. He was not bear the Russell Westbrook and but he was a really good player. It's starting player and had a great career and a really tough, but he was, I thought he was better stir our backup, right? He's he's actually the again, another guy who was just he was tougher than a two dollar steak. Right? He was he was a perfect backup. The Lutely players in the league and had a great parent by being that type of player, and you get back into coach and he deserves another chance. You had a tough run of infinitive on. You know, it's always the second time around a lot of times your best time. So what was the when did you know that you were getting to keep that job. Did not know until late late in the season. I wanna say the last couple of games and I knew we were struggling. We were three and twenty nine. So I d, I mean, I'm crazy in time, but I don't think I was that crazy enough that they tell you, you gotta keep this coach. He's three and twenty nine. But yeah, I knew that, you know, it's going to be tough. It's gonna be tough for, you know, Sam Presley to keep me, but I give give our players credit Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and Jeff green lettuce as first and second year players that I've never seen it ever in my plane career or my coaching career prior or after them that they were able to lead a group of players that had a horrible start and they, they were leaders of our team and they inspire a everyday. I would see them clock practice on the court at nine fifteen. I'm like, oh my God. Don't these guys realize we're three and twenty nine. This is is not fun, but they made it fun. They were so competitive. You would have thought we were twenty nine and three the way we practice it was so competitive so much so much intense ashington. I said, you know what? You can. MS. Let's just keep making these games fourth quarter games than we did. Unfortunately, I had the worst. I thought it was all I swear. We lost six games last second shots on like maybe this coaching thing not for me. I'm like the jinx of this team there. They're working their butts off and they deserve the win. But these guys are making miraculous shots last-second out against us. The we made every game a fourth quarter game. I said, we're going to turn it around. We did. I think we were like ended up in the last fifty games like I don't know twenty and thirty. So at that point I thought, you know what? We turn it around. I might have chance and ended up that gave me a chance to coast team, and I had a great run there. And I remember when you we wanted to games next year was at that Laker series a game six. When Koby you know, I think he missed the Terim pal had to put back to beat you, but it was. It was pretty obvious you guys are gonna be around for why I obviously LeBron is and and they had an incredible roster that beats you in the finals. But if you. Go. Yeah, go ahead. No, if you could go back and change something about your team, your approach in those finals, what would it be? You know, we, we had a, we're one of the youngest teams ever to get finals, and I thought, you know, we when like twenty three games, two games the first year, then we jump up. The fifty play. The Lakers in the should have been a game, seven, and then we get, you know, every year we get a step further along get to the conference finals. And next year we get to them. The natural progression was, you know, what were there? We stay together. We get to the finals game. So going back on that finals, you know, the game one, we went a game, two just had a horrible start, just horrible. I think we're down eighteen or something. Twenty points, but wind up coming back, have a chance to tie the game, their fishery, inbounds, the ball that Durant dirt, Kevin, misses a shop. It gets fouled. They don't call the foul chance to put it back. We get out, they don't call the foul. The next day. The NBA comes out. It was a foul should should've been called neither there. Neither here we would hopefully would took it to overtime and maybe win that game game to China, change the dynamics of that. So now. So now before that was three, two to three. And now we have three games Miami a lot. I get a lot of questions like, why? Why did I play per- so many minutes? Well, I really didn't play him a lot of minutes. I started him. Matter of fact, I think the most, if I remember correctly, I'm not totally share so that check me on this that he played the most minutes on the game that we want game. Why that you play like twenty six or so. But the thing that I that he brought to the team, he was a comfort like almost like a blanket for a lot of our players. They love perk, Kevin Durant and Russell whispered love having perk on the floor. They played better with him. They felt more confident per CAD. They're back a guy was he was bad. He was bad to the bone. He didn't nobody mess with perk or team, so, but I have to make some adjustments and we did. We lowered his minutes decreases. Minnesota series went on. The bottom line is we played against a better team in their prime. Those same players that you know, our players were basically twenty one twenty two, their three best players were in their planning prime twenty eight twenty nine. That's like saying. James Russell and Katie on the same team. You know, it would not be close and you probably wouldn't be talking about the warriors of the way we are. If they were on the same team now for the last seven or eight ten years or so. But I have nothing, but a lot of pride for for the run that we had. My staff did incredible job. Unfortunately, we have the team coming back the next year, but we still battled back ended up being having the best record in the league Russell Westbrook the first playoff game. Right before halftime and everything went down from there. Yeah. I mean, I, I got. We've talked about this on the radio show before, and I the James harden trade. I, I know someone who was about money about the luxury tax. Some of it I do think, and I'm not trying to defend trade that. I think anybody would point to is not a great trade, but in the context of that time, is it fair to say people did not know what the cap would look like after the. New CBA. And I think here's another part that I've often often wondered back then to get to the finals. You had to go through the Lakers and the Spurs and they both had two big guys. And so even though hardened was a burgeoning star was really your fourth quarter point guy, right? You played him in rust together and James hanging a lot in the fourth quarter you, they're all. They're all also feeling like you had to have a Bacha maybe even more so than had had James harden if you had to pick one or the other because you had to have two bigs to beat the Spurs. And the Lakers is that is that at least part. The thing is James, you know what? He made everything go. He made everything he, we were very good team, a high level team, no, when we did not have them. But with James, we were special. We were that was a that was a fissure bar injuries of championship team because he made everything go. He was selfless and he didn't. He didn't wanna start. He wanted to play as the backup role, but I was smart enough to realize that you know what he's not gonna play back up minutes. He probably I think he was like six or six in the league minutes for two guards. So he was playing started minutes. It just didn't start and he made everything go. He have. He should've been also that year. I think somebody got hurt. I think they Commissioner stern replace them with remember. I think it was Jason Kidd, but at that year he is at that time eighteen points game and really winning every game. And he was a big factor in fourth quarters, but he made everything work. I think that season the average seventeen in like five or six and five rebounds nothing taken away from service. It was a great player. Shop locker became came. I really good three point shooter. Eventually we're going to be a three point shooter, but that point he was averaging nine points and seven rebounds. So James is really good. You know, he was six man of the year borderline all store. If not an only third in the next year, probably would have been sure an all star. Who do that you've could you've gone in stood on the desk? Could you on in and soon the desk and said, like, you know, don't do this. I mean, we, we all have we all set are that wasn't my job. My job was the coach. The players that I had. In Sam, ran the team as he saw fit, and I respected that and and my job was the coach, the players he gave me. No fifteen players the coach in developing get getting to play together as a team. I took Friday, we got a lot. We had a lot of young guys, a lot of young guys and they played hard, which is not easy to do, and they played together. It's not easy to do when you've got young guys play hard and play well together, but we're able to do that. And I'm proud of that. I'm proud of my staff performance and getting those those guys play extremely hard play together and also represent or team in our city with a lot of class and a lot of pride. And and you know, we didn't win a championship, but they were. They were champing in my eyes. Fast forward to your last year there you talk about. Bad luck now only k. d. miss I think fifty one games right everyb- seemingly everybody gets hurt on your roster, but then yet end up. New Orleans gets in the playoffs. And the only reason they got in the playoffs was they hit Anthony Davis hits a crazy three point shot to beat you, and that was his only three of the entire season. Like how wild crazy is it? Yeah. How crazy is it? I didn't even know that. Yes. Know that was only three. Yeah, that was only three of the look. Only three of the entire regular season was that three that thinking Oklahoma City right around Christmas time or something, and that ends up being the tiebreaker that that allowed them to go to the playoffs. And if you go the place, even as an aide seed, you guys, I think Katie was healthy at the end of the year and Russ's healthy in the year, like who you may still be coaching Oklahoma City. You know we had. We had a lot of tough luck the year before Russell. We ended up in them. One seeded team won like six, eight Russell gets hurt with. Time out right before. Right before Patrick Beverley. Yeah, that's Beverly, yes. And then the next year and everybody got her start the season Kevin Russ or out this first, you know, twelve or fourteen games surge, miss the months, even Adams, miss the month. It calls miss the month, everybody, everybody missed time. And I remember one time I, we're having some fun with everybody was. It was almost become comical. I read a, I read, I, I run a pick and roll with Nick collison handling the ball with Kendrick Perkins set into pick for them. And this is how this is how crazy it got for us, but I give our guys credit and they played. They played well, we competed I was, I think that was like probably one of the most fun years I've ever had coaching coaching, Oklahoma is that year. I mean, we had everybody hurt, but we thought we were all gonna come together and become healthy and fortune. I tell you what at that time we had the warriors numbers and they were kicking. Everybody, but and they were worried they thought we were just resting guys to get them all healthy at the same time, play them in the in the first round. It would have been epic series that the eight see and then at the number one seat, but. It did not work out that way, and I got fired, and my staff was fired on and. No, no hard feelings Billy now, at least. Okay. 'cause I mean, okay, so there's two parts to this. The first part is. The store you told before by getting cut in in layup lines in halftime of Houston, right? Like there's the, you had the pre at least now you have the perspective of, hey, I was non-guaranteed undrafted guy from the CBA from outside of Sacramento, and I made it won a championship, right? But when you get when you get fired for teen, that's all banged up and injured and you're this close and you take him to the NBA finals from one in one in twelve, whatever, to being dominant team in the west with two superstars. After third superstar was traded away at that moment. Did you have the same perspective or were Yankee? No, no, Doug, I was. I was upset. I was just wanted. I was upstate. I thought we built up equity. I still had the locker room. I still had the respect. Even that tough season we have. We've right there making playoff in their very challenging west and looking back, and I have great relationships with our bills players. Still today in, we've had some really candid conversations and and I'm more proud of the fact that I handle my respect but talking to them. And I know that. Deserves that maybe coach for more year. I would have been fine out of actually the team, you know, after one more year of reading a championship, you know what my my time is has been served and it was a great run, it's time to move on. But no, we all of our injuries and the thing that I to this day, you know, that bothers me a little bit. Is that. When you win a championship or in order to win a championship. A lot of times you gotta go through a lot of tough time. A lot of that basically, some scar tissue on, I felt that that team was ready that had enough heart heart to Bill to fight through what you need to go through to win a championship. It's, you got to not only go through a grilling eighty two game season and downs, the injuries, the mental where care fiscal where Jerry buddy. But you got to go through four rounds and it's hard to win one playoff game when a little four out of seven in twelve days and you have to do it to rounds, and then you got to do that third around and then win it all you gotta win the fourth round. But I felt that that team was ready and it was hard for me not able to coach that team. When when when Kevin left, what was your reaction. You know, as a former player, look at the game, a lot of times through players is because I know it's it's very short been through a lot of, I've seen a lot of players really players get hurt and have a short career. I've seen a players that really get hurt and get traded mostly hurt, and because they got traded, they give them so much organization. So as I look back, as I look through a players is I said favor like to go wherever they wanna go. Because of all the great players that gave him that. Right. All the great players in the plastic pass. It gave these players to be free agent son? No, Kevin wanted to leave that was his choice. You know how he did it. Maybe he could have, you know, maybe a bit differently. I don't really know how he did. We talked to are going to not talk to you, but you know. You know, he, he had a great run their gave that city a lot of great memories. And unfortunately, we weren't able to put myself in that we were, we failed to win a championship for that for that organization in instrumented all gave us all lot of great opportunities and resources to do that. So you go to Washington and you have these, these two young stars and the perception is billing wall don't like playing with each other. That's that's the perception, right? What's the reality of coach, those two going into that I heard or read about it, and I was well aware of it, and I wanted to make sure that I was, you know, had my ears open or in my eyes open, just stand that I, I want to be able to fill it. I wonder if they don't, I want to know figure out why. But my first year I did not. I did not see it did not hear it did not feel it. So I never really had to worry about that now or they competitive sometimes against against each other in practice. Absolutely. I want that I- I- manufacture that I put them on different teams. I want the two best players that compete against each other. That's why you gain respect for one another. Tell you gain respect for your team, and I wanna see. The other guys step up and you know what they've been great teammates in. You know, they've been through a lot of playoff losses together. I feel like, you know, we're, we're close and you know, we've been close for a while, but going into the season, it's not about it's not about talking about just doing in and continue pros and get better. But. Two young players too young guards at the good start to have, and we have that in John wall healthy and healthy all summer and Brad. Great job in his training Sola both last week and I'm looking forward to start season. Okay. There's the picture of John at the USA basketball workouts and I mean, it was great internet fodder the middle of summer and he looked heavy. You saw him. You saw him last week. Is he in fact heavy. You know what I saw him before I saw him before. He took that pitcher about ten days before I saw him about ten days after before. I thought he was in great shape while he found like I don't know five or six percent. He was like two to eighteen to twenty. It was a bad pitcher. It was definitely a bad pitcher and and I tell him, John, you've got this look, I, it's like, I call it the Hollywood jets. Look, he has this wild hairstyle now is just like he's just woke up and it looks bad, but that's just look like ladies Louis, but I'll tell you what he competes. That's what I love about him. He competes and I saw him last week he down to like two eight to sixteen to eighteen in these in great shape is news or good. We're looking forward to have another productive year from from him. You know, we, we wanted to make the playoffs last year. He misses forty one games and I, I, I'm not so sure I would have. I would have predicted that before the season, but hopefully he can stay healthy. And we can all stay healthy and have a great year. How much different is it without LeBron in the east. Big difference. Talk to a lot of the coaches that couldn't figure his that puzzle out. A lot of great coaches lost on great teams. Boston can get by a couple of years Charlton game by a couple of years of everybody couldn't get by him. He he's, I think Kevin love set it best playing checkers. And a lot of a lot of the other guys playing is in the teachers. He has this IQ that you don't see often. He knows every teams plays. He knows sometimes I was throw out a play call, just a random play. 'cause I know he can hear and one time I yelled out like four and he looked at me like four horns, four horns. You don't get four. True. The guy knows everything and the be so great. And like I said, only two players in the NBA history can be an all star on all five position him and Magic Johnson. They wanted to ship. They can both wanna be too. They both can then all start going down the line. And he's that talented alone of coaches happy that he's no longer around in the she should we as a guy who played in the magic bird era, should people put magic and bird in the conversation of Jordan and LeBron or should they not. Absolutely. They changed the game. They changed the dynamics of the league. They took it to another level. We wouldn't be where it is. If it wasn't from them, they both had came when spirits and competitive spirits that we all want. Our teams haven't. Both of will do as a kid growing up, and I was so fortunate to be on the same court that compete against them, but they. It's interesting. Some of the the older players don't get the respect beakers. You know, the sometimes the my generation or even the younger millennials, think basketball start to, you know, mid nineties, late nineties. But man, there's all players for Jabbar. Not a mentioned as the greatest player ever is the criminal has. Well, the guy played twenty years made nineteen all stars. I think six times MVP six times championships and all time leading scorer for him not to be mentioned is crazy. My my opinion, he had a shot that nobody can ever stop or ever. Tried to ever duplicate, and but there's so many great players. It's so unfair to to say, who's better than who, who's the best player who's asked you kicked NBA game. Say that again, who's the best player who's asked you kicked an NBA game. That I did. Yeah, like I got. I mean, let's now you're gonna play against him now. So you can. Now you can tell us like, man, I got him. Oh my God. There's you mean the other way around that kick mine? No, I'm saying that you I was going to do the opposite in a second, but I, I, I, I, I wanted, I wanted the guy who's ass kicked. Well, I'll tell you what there's one game it was. So we ended up losing the game. We threw the ball out of bounds. We had a chance to game. We're at Detroit, and I, we're playing one of the few TNT games at the time, and I happen to be having my best game. I think I had like twenty against is Asia. I'm not saying I kicked his, but but I had a good game against him. But yeah, that was that was one of my better games, but unfortunately we didn't win the game, but and then you're gonna ask you the next question. He kicked my butt all the time. That guy that guy is so good and he was in. He did it with a smile and he would he would. I mean, he was borderline dirty and you knew he was, but he didn't let a smile. And I mean that guy, I can't even badgen what he would do in today's game. The way the game is played that you know not you don't get checked walking across the court anymore. The everybody's going in three point line, the middle's wide open the guy with average thirty five game. Yeah. No, I mean, he he just he was. He was a killer. He was. He was a killer only. He did with basketball's instead of with knives, or you know, with with guns. And that's that's not -actly. Exactly. I, let's let's finish with this. So here's, here's my version of the story is Las Cabras and used to have your crew, right? I think Thornton was on that crew, right? I think I think Scott, he was on that crew. I think Todd Murphy was on that crew. I'm trying to think. I'm not sure. Wayne Ingles stab would show up and play as well. John, you're on k. Johnny Rodgers, of course. And so you guys would play and we would fill out the younger and then there was the Cherokee parks of the world and kind of the younger college age players in Orange County. And then or and then there was like high school kids, and so kind of like you used to hang around LMU we would hang around those cab. There's two gyms, and sometimes we play in the JV court. Sometimes we get to plan your varsity court. So all I remember was you lit me up and said, get the fuck off of my court or something like that. And I was, I was an all I remember was I don't know what, what did I do to piss off Scotty Brooks sitting, they like, dude, Scotty hates you. He hates you. I don't know what I. I don't even know what I did. Just tell me what I did. Okay. So what was was it? My dad was my dad came in and the game. I remember the story and I remember the games and I remember all I remember is this I said, this guy was the basically. School player went to. OSU and this guy is strong. I mean, this guy is strong enough lettuce and jump out of the gym and could dime it as well as anybody. I'm like, I'm making sure that he, he know that I have any respect for them, and that's the truth. I long respect was played hard. No, I thought it was my dad got me on guys compete like that. You played hard and you're, you're a freak athlete, and nobody ever talks about that. Hey, guys, you know, five, eleven white guy can't jump, but no, you're, you're pretty athletic and you didn't get a lot of credit for that. But I do remember those times and I didn't wanna give you an edge at all. I think it'd be nice. I think I think the story was though that early on my dad would say like, hey, he's got a getting a game like he was like, he would sit there and make me getting a game and would just piss like this is my game. NBA players get off court out of my rewind rewind. And I know I. Definitely. No part of the reason. I remember your dad. God bless them. The guy loves his kids in love basketball, like like I do like I wanna like I wanna do the same, but he would put you into the games and this is you do just graduated from high school. Would you test in? Yeah. Yeah, just graduated from high school and he would put you earn the court against. Like at that time we had any given day. We had nine MPA pointers and I'm like, no, no, no, no, we can't play play, play him on the court. It's no fun. That's you weren't good enough on the court, but not only your dad put you on the court. He would take me out to put you in my place, said. I said, no, that's not happening, but that's how that's how that's how you got better think about it. That's how you got better by playing against, really, really good players. Our last thing, obviously, your mom was an amazing lady, amazing lady, and we started, we don't. We started by by. Is is that would would drives you? I mean, 'cause like, look, you do get to a point and you're not old. You do get to a point to which you like, look, you can keep doing this Washington. There can be another team like what is the internal motivation for you to keep pushing pressing forward? You've talked about how it's your upbringing, but what would draw once you've made it once you made it in the NBA you made it has head coach, you made it to the NBA finals. You made it to get a job in DC with great players. What drives you to keep achieving. Well, obviously my mom's into me just as your your family. And now that I have a wife and two kids, they drive me. They drive me a loved one. I do on passionate when I do. I care about what I do. I get nervous to this day before practice before games. 'cause I wanna win every practice. I wanna win every game and I care about and it's good to have those butterflies in your stomach, but I'll tell you people always asking, how do you handle all the all the criticism, the social media and just the internet just blown up. I said, I don't really. I don't care about any of that. I get criticize all all. I want just part of the territory you win a game. You're great coach, you lose a game. You're actually you win a game. You got great players. You lose a game coach stinks, so I get that mentality. But really what drives me is my kids and my wife if I disappoint them and they criticize me, that's when I say, you know what? I gotta step back in. Check myself and make sure I'm doing things right, but they don't criticize me on and good shape, and I don't. I don't care about the other thing that's just part of the, but that's what drives me of what I do, and I am. I care about what I do, and I think I have a great opportunity in a great team, the coach, and I'm really excited about this coming year. I, I li- they have one more. How do you in this question I I really wanted, so I, I grew up my dad. He got fired Llambi state and eighty four. And I, you know, eating grow up with with much, but we didn't grow up. You know, I didn't grow up with one parent, seven, seven kids in a house picking walnuts and onions, how do you? How do you get your kids to be as hungry? I ask NBA guys all the time. How do you get your kids to be as hungry as you were even though you know, yours have grown up in for the most part in other Oklahoma City. When you're an NBA coach in southern California, like how did instill the same hunger and yet you give them all of the different support. That we didn't have when we were kids. You know, that's that's the question that we all ask ourselves and on flus kids. And that's funny. You said that Brennan rally Bill just has a little baby boy, and I told him the same thing, Brad, how you gonna do it. You're gonna. Your son's upbringing is going to be probably different than yours. And we've talked about that, you know what? I what I did. I knew I wanted my kids to be good people and the treat everybody with respect like everybody does, and but I needed them to be they have a burning desire to compete. And I felt that the chances them the athletics and then the is probably not very high. I'm not. I'm not gonna say he can't do the young age, but I'm saying, you know what? If they do great, I'm gonna in courage it. I'm going to empower them and making sure that they had the best chances to succeed. But I definitely want them to have the desire be educated net. Something I grew up. We didn't know about all the things that you can do with your brain with your mind, all -education all the the great things that that gives you in. But I, that's what my wife and I decided that you know, my son. Does USC my daughter's a senior in high school, and then she has a great opportunity. She's probably the smartest one of all of us, but I'm proud of that. And I think that's what I'm challenging them to be do great things off of athlete field and you guys may on they're doing on proud of. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to point out that you obviously sold out your wife's athletic jeans because you're great athlete and saying your kids would not be athletes only proves that you like listening. Because if you, yes. That's a great way to wrap. Hey, man, listen, you've been awesome of your time. I can't wait during the season. Thanks. I'll see yoga. NAMA stay and thanks for joining us or. All right. That's it for all bowl. Look basketball season clearly heating up. 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T&T Classic: Syracuse vs. Kansas 2003 National Championship

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T&T Classic: Syracuse vs. Kansas 2003 National Championship

"Today's episode of Titus. And tell you when we will be revisiting the two thousand three national championship game between the Syracuse Orange and the Kansas Jayhawks. That is on. The docket is a classic you pick this. Were excited to talk about it. We're very excited and I will say it's good to be back on the set with a TNT classic. It's good to watch basketball. We'VE BEEN. It's been a long time since we watched a basketball game and been able to give them some sort of commentary whether it be no game that actually matters or dislike you and I link pickup in just talking about what happened with you and I play basketball so it's nice to give back in that world. I see a lot of Kansas fans out the world I've put out. Hey we're going to talk about this game. They're upset all some guy conjured up a whole story about seeing Dean Smith wearing the Jayhawks sticker on his shirt after the game when they lost it. Really Tugs my heartstrings. So I feel bad for for all the Kansas fans out there so so the precursor is this isn't to put Kansas down through just to talk about college basketball. You get bill self in you know he's GonNa come very soon. That'll be great for you guys. You got a title on the way in about the about the bad something about the good time. Kansas fans want us to talk about this game. I feel like there's a lot of people take that there's a lot going on where enough in college sports the NCAA passing the I didn't actually pass anything. Kick the can down the road but they said they're gonNA do the the name Image Likeness. Dang others news about the transfer waivers a forest desired. Steve Forbes. People want to talk about that. You know what Bonnie I could give a flip what they want and the words of Roy Williams I could give a flip what they want we are. GonNa talk about. I don't give a flip about the G. League. That's like I say we are going to talk. Exclusively about the two thousand three Kansas Versus Syracuse National Championship game in Bay himes crowning accomplishment. And it's very lengthy career. We were going to dive into it today. But first Woody Durham all right. This is the third installment of the Classics Series here. We've done the two thousand five Arizona Illinois game before we've done the two thousand and two Duke Versus Indiana game. This is the first national championship game. Tape we've ever done. It is the two thousand three. Syracuse Kansas Game I put the ball in your court. Let she picked this one. I have an idea of what you're about to say when I asked you this but why this game I think at this time in sports at least for me in the sports it was all about. You know trying to find teams that we're going to get over the hump. The Boston Red Sox are GONNA win their first world series of they finally going to get over the Bambi. No colonel sort of stuff. That's what's happening in the ether of the world. And then you get these two coaches You know guys that we've seen around the block for quite some time. Jim Boeheim Annan Roy Williams. They both are supposed to be at that level. I think Phil Mickelson at the time was supposed to win. A major in golf at this is my mind when I'm putting into the ether of like everyone's trying to get over the hump. So you've got these coaches. They've got these great teams but they're differently built where you have a young core of freshman talented guys in Jim. Boeheim does the quote that they say in the last dance about a Doug Collins about MJ. Like I just give Carmelo the ball when I get out of the way. That's where we are like the Syracuse team they were seniors got heinrich calcium that whole storyline so its watershed moment in college basketball. It is obviously a national championship game. And it's also You know we love message for the haters. We love getting over the Hump. We love giving the few moments after the fact and for Jim Boeheim. This was that moment. And that's why it means so much. Yeah we're we'RE WE'RE GONNA set the stage here a little bit of a very lengthy setting the stage. I have a feeling because I think You hit the nail on the head. This was this was supposed to be that this was a game going into Roy Williams. Jim Boeheim where depending on which side of the fence he fell on whether you're syracuse person or Kansas prison. You felt like you were the team of destiny. You felt like this was the coronation of your head coach. That that he's been waiting for this moment or his entire career and finally at long last he's going to get that moment. And that's what made it so interesting. And you have the the as you said the freshman on one side the seniors on the other so we're GonNa go through and set the stage here a little bit. We'll talk about the game itself. Which the game. I guess wasn't really that intriguing. Syracuse jumps out of big lead. Mcnamara goes nuts. Kansas comes back in and makes it kind of close in the end but Yeah we'll dive into the game and then we'll get into the aftermath because I think that's what's ultimately looking back. What would what's also super about this game? It's more like the game itself. Clearly enough is like the least interesting part. It's going into the game super interesting coming out of the game and everything that's happened to college basketball to get us to where we are now. Very very interesting and the game was good. You know it was a three point game. There's a block shot at the end. I don't know if people remember that are not we'll talk about that will hand out some awards do like we always do go. Goats and all our many many superlatives. They're very superlatives that we love to do but first let's at the stage so take people back to two thousand three. Remind them of what what this country was like. There was not a pandemic going on people could shake hands and and Sit next to each other live sporting events it was a very different time take explained to the people thousands of dollars like yes. So let's take a macro look at this. They were going to get micro dive into the College Basketball version of two thousand and three. But what's happening in the world in two thousand and three? Well yes it. You said that you said there was no pandemic. There was one. There was a SARS was going on so so wonderful over one there. So that's In fact I was going through this and I was like buying things like the time stamp where we are in the world so Cristiano Renaldo was eighteen years old in two thousand and three. He made his debut for Manchester United or so in my mind. I'm like okay. Wow that seems like forever ago. That's two three another thing that will make you feel like forever go Arnold Schwarzenegger. The Terminator is elected Governor of California. The governor goes in in two thousand and three so of course we remember that. That's a that's a big moment. In time apple launches something called itunes which becomes a major success selling over ten million songs than four months the launch. That's obviously something that everyone's excited about. And this is the first time that we get any sort of a backlash to tigers In the world in two thousand three a White Tiger Attacks Roy Horn of the duo siegfried and Roy. We remember that in two thousand three tiger king that was the original Tiger King and obviously nothing could happen was married to Carol. Baskin is the question on. Everyone's mind a probably probably like Avia may picture where it's like Justin Timberlake siegfried and Roy Carroll Baskin. You know it's all her next up. Jk Rolling Release the fifth book in the Harry Potter Series Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Oh my God. I'm currently reading that. I'm not even kidding. Well I'm not even kidding you. I'm on page. A. Dole spoiler for me but Harry just got expelled from hogwarts. There's a lot of book left so I assume you know. It would be hilarious that he gets expelled from hogwarts and then the story line is lay just storylines like he stays out of school he. He obviously mechanic don't need school. He's like schools kind of like see like a waste of time. I don't know why Julie Z. Widow come back. This is a good college basketball. Show I swear to God. Let's phony because I'm actually. I'm actually reading the book right now. So that's what I came. Also parts of the Caribbean. Of course the curse of the Black Murrow remember that that came out in two thousand and three and then also one of my favorite things in two thousand three is a show by the name of Chapelle show and they had a segment on that show show yes of course with Paul Mooney and Paul Mooney. You know has his little thing where he's talking about movies and he talks about a movie that came out in two thousand and three and it is called the. Last Samurai and is of course wrong. Tom Cruise can still alarium to this very day of. That's the case. Also bad boys do came out. Lost in translation came out the Matrix reloaded game out. Finding Nemo came out that is two thousand and three pop culture wise. And now let's get into the basketball set the stage wonderfully date. I have my mind. My my brain is said on two thousand three the cutoff jerseys underneath cutoff shirts underneath the jerseys everyone wearing the Nike shocks. Yes headbands were still big back. Anger sleeves a lot of finger sleeping sleeves. Yeah that was the fashion of the time. If you watch the game with us you would keep war candidate especially Greeks cut off. 'cause he was so skinny and having that baggy cut off the like. Hong all the way over his shoulders like it was a shock out or something like that. Yeah anyway so the stage all right. That's the show actually as it turns out no. So what about? What about you individually tate? How were you give you the Peop- I think this is useful for so people? Remember your perspective here as we go on with this podcast. They know when you're like I remember like this. Give the people an idea of where you were when you say I remember it. They know what what what you're talking about. Your I was eleven years old. I was playing travel baseball at the time. I remember I was not playing basketball. The basketball season was over so I was in baseball mode at this point in March but I remember just watching because everyone had told us is North Carolina. Kids that The reckoning was coming Roy Williams on the way so I was watching this game. Basically waiting for the new head coach waiting for the chosen one to come to town and as. I'm watching this. I'm just excited about the fact that hopefully the good guys will win here. He'll lead to make everyone happy and then he can come on so as a as an eleven year old. I'm just excited about a new coach. That's okay all right I was. I was a freshman in high school. I was in the midst of spring. Break my freshman year of high schools with my parents we went down to. I WanNa say like Destin Florida somewhere in the panhandle mugs. That's always went because we're from the Midwest and it was chief is hello there. My parents had we would go to the panhandle of Florida. I vividly remember this is. This is the most bizarre thing ever put. Brains are funny and I remember falling in love with string cheese on this trip on this spring break. My parents went to the grocery snacks. My mom got some string cheese and I don't remember like ever really eating string cheese. I ate a ton of string cheese on this spring break. So in my mind I always connect the two thousand three syracuse team to string cheese. It is very bizarre. Makes no sense but yeah that's that's the connection big. I honestly it anytime. I string cheese I think Jerry McNair honestly the rest of my life so because I so much damn string cheese on that trip so all right enough about that let's be honest jerry back mares eating string cheese and so it was awesome so those are the facts. Let's set the stage for this actual because as we said it is very intriguing going into the game. First of all it's played in New Orleans. It's in the superdome and that is no worthy because The the pivotal Moment Jim. Boeheim CAREER HAPPENED IN ONE THOUSAND. Nine hundred seven key. It's the shot to beat Syracuse not quite the Buzzer but it was effectively at the Buzzer. That game happened in a the superdome and nineteen ninety-six nine years later after that Syracuse makes it to the national championship against an meadowlands. I believe it was in the middle. Ninety six against Kentucky but Kentucky Untouchables Kentucky teammate. John Wall like Syracuse wasn't supposed to be John. Wallace was was playing out of his mind and John Wall. Eventually fouls out. It's like a five point game when Wallace vows out but like searches never really had a chance like that. That one doesn't really weigh on Jim. Boeheim so much at this moment in time you talk to Jim Boeheim about like what? What is like the one moment you wish you could? Redo what what haunts you as a coach etc etc. It just keeps mar hitting the shot and the super dome. And now here we are sixteen years later. Syracuse stepping into the exact same superdome and. Jim boeheim Jim. Boeheim even calls like we see Rony Seikaly and the the crowd at one point. They talk about how behind invited. As many of those nine hundred eighty seven guys back to to be here for this which thankfully Syracuse won it because that would be very triggering horrifying if they once again lost. If Kim War doesn't block Michael Risha Syracuse loses yet again man. That would be very upsetting. I think tape. Yeah well there was like A. There's like a weird Oliver Nego- through the entire game and play it out but there is a weird as you watch it with billy packer as he's talking about the game and talking about what's going on. Obviously Billy packers biggest concern is Carmelo. Anthony's back right. We're GONNA talk about all that but the reason why so concerned is because of Carmelo Anthony's back in his mind was one hundred percent. Syracuse are guaranteed to win this game. They're so Jane better team than this in this turnover pro Roy Williams. Coach team and billy packers mind as you watch the game you kind of feel as if Bay Heim has the comfort of knowing at the end of the day. I have the better three point shooting team. I had the best player on the court and if I have to go small I can't go small I in that and that's the KOPPA's Exuded was very interesting watching this because when I was younger I watched it from the vantage point of like Roy. Williams is supposed to win this game. Just because you you'd like the bias is already inherently there so yeah let's talk about that. Let's talk about the misconceptions going into this. Because I I'll be honest. I thought Kansas was better than they actually were like. This was not a great Kansas team. They were to see but they started the year. I believe they started the middle of my notes here. Yeah they started the your three at three. This preseason number two it's the country they start your three and three they lose to honoring North Carolina. The the the team is going nineteen and sixteen against minority fire. Which is why Roy goes on in the first place. They lose too bad. North Carolina team where the best player was a freshman Rashaad. Mccain's they lose two days later to Florida. Then they lose the to Oregon to drop the three and three at point there twentieth into a people like horrible by stretch immagination but I remember Collison Heinrich bean seniors in my mind. I was like Oh that Kansas team is a juggernaut but as it turns out it was the year before that they were the Juggernaut. When you're going on the team when the front court for Kansas was drew Gooden Nick. Collison and Winston. Those are the three frontcourt players who all at some point in their career won't big twelve player of the year. That's the nasty team and that goes to the final. Four in Otsu ends up losing to Maryland national change of Maryland. Juan Dixon goes absolutely nuts in this game scores. Thirty three Kerr connery and I think like I'm getting ahead of a little bit but I but we're already here let's go. I think this is why this is so compelling to me. Is that hydrogen collison if you go back and look at their run as a class because again okay. So the other backstory like part of the reason. Roy didn't leave North Carolina immediately Would win a bill. Guttridge retired and they went with Matt. Daugherty's because Roy was so committed to this class this Hurricane Rick Nicholas Andrew. Gordon was part of the class as well. He really loved this class. The way he talks about it is like he just love those kids. If you're a cynic maybe you say well. He maybe didn't really love kids. You love the idea that they were. You could tell that they were super talented and they might win a national championship. Either way the truce probably somewhere in the middle but he wanted to see this class through and if you go back and look tate the freshman year for this for this group. They're in eighth seed. I'm talking just their. Ncaa tournament runs here in two thousand there and AC they lose in the second round number one duke By Five Roy. Royan que get into a fight the first staff. Kansas starts this game up thirteen four. And then at the very end of the game dukes up three Connor Kesse clean look at the Buzzer base. There was like under ten seconds. Life Heinrich is a clean book to send the game to overtime. He misses they ended up losing to number one duke. That's how they lose their freshman year sophomore years. Oh one they lose in the sweet sixteen to the one-seat Illinois Frank Williams drops thirty for Illinois Heinrich and Collison. Both foul Heinrich has five turnovers. So then we go to the junior year this is. The juggernaut drew his big twelve player of the year. He actually wins He actually went to one national player of the year award over Jay Williams. Just funny. They've they've run into a Maryland in the final four Heinrich again fouls out with five. Turnovers gets absolutely toward by one Dixon. Yeah so the the the point being here this is a three year run. Were LIKE THEY LOSE? They lose three one seat STATE THEY LOSE TO DO THEY LOSE. Illinois Maryland Heinrich place poorly in all three of those games so going into this final season. You're like this. Is it like the they've they've all been trying to this? Roy Williams has never won a title Hurricane. Rake in a Nicholson have have had these obstacles. Where every year? It's like this could be the year. This could be a breakthrough and finally at long last in their senior year. All that standing between them at a national championship is a team lead by two freshman and a Sophomore Nikki. Maury and that's pretty much all they had to to get over and it just felt like all things were going Kansas. Its way yeah because they were familiar right like in the in the conversation of College Basketball Right. We all drew gooden. And you know it's funny. I remember this year. Co Anthony was sitting on the bench. When he was heard and Rome's Adam sit next to him and the reason he did that was because he said he did that drew gooden and went through good that when he came back he just knew. So much. More ABSORBING. What was going on from the coaching staff and he ended up being a player coach on the floor. So you know. Roy obviously revered that Kansas Team. They obviously had a sense of basketball. Iq That's next level. But what's funny? Is You set that stage right like this team is the senior late in team is gonNA come into this moment in deliver in and then you watch the game and they are herky-jerky that right Nick Kassem the first lap you making the game like this little like stutter. Step floater that he caught it. The three point line almost traveled. I mean everything that they do early in this game. They look like the team that has tiring badly air balled his first shot of this game very badly so bad that billy beggar goes that was like a Derrick Wittenberg pass caught the ball and laid it in and go. Yeah the the to the greater point like this was not a degree Kansas team that I thought because I inflated them with the year before when good was on the good has a gray season as I said was was first team. All American actually won one national player goes goes to the draft. Pick think fourth I want to say in the the OT draft and then Collison Heinrich obviously come back for their senior. They're not great. Outta the gate. They're they're not a great team. They said they dropped the twentieth in the AP poll January. They lose the number one arizona in Allen fieldhouse by seventeen tate. It's ninety one seventy four. They could absolutely run on their own. Jim Allen fieldhouse which Kansas as we know like almost never loses their they fall to thirteen and five and then they lose the Missouri. The big twelve tournament they enter the NCAA tournament one in four versus top ten teams. There are other than just saying Kirk Hinrich in Nickel Centre seniors on this team. I don't think there's really anything point to and say like this was like a great team but for some reason I remember like falling into that trap and when I was watching this I was like man. Kansas team is great and even even when I think back on that game I just remember being like a Juggernaut that that was definitely not the case. What it's also funny when when you think about the source stuff too is like the rumor mills that were going on in Lawrence Kansas in January around that time and people knew in North Carolina. Said I mean we'd heard rumors that Roh Williams is GonNa come to town was gone that Dean Smith was head convinced Roy Williams to leave Lawrence income to Chapel Hill. That was the rumor that was going on. So if you're a Williams and you have seniors that are there. You also have this rumor behind you yet. Your team may not be as lock in as they were the year before they lose eight games of what they did the year before that you may not prepare for some of these games like you had before because as we both know washing Roy Williams sometimes the preparation and the actual like being in the moment of the game could be affected by his emotions than that surround the game and like we him where the Jayhawk which is why he never beats. He never beat North Carolina when he was at Kansas and then when he's at North Carolina he never beat Kansas because he's just always to emotional about the game that it it's just too much. It's just too much too much to other things other notes here. I had to set the stage with this Kansas team And then we'll move onto the syracuse portion of this We have we should point out to Kurt. Heinrich starts his career. Kansas as a point guard is running point for Kansas. The arrival of air miles pushes him over so in the season air. Miles is Rhonda. Point liners off the ball. This is now the second year. The Heinrich is off the ball. That's only interesting to me. I think just because we just had Joel Berry on and they had the same sort. Roy had the same sort of situation with mark stage and Joel Berry and so that was like fresh on my mind then like see the air miles her contrary. Kinda one guys to two point guards but you know what I'm saying there. Yeah and it's also with Heinrich. When he moved to the to. Everyone wanted him to be more of a shooting guard. People wanted him to shoot you here in in is higher. It's gotTa take some threes. GotTa keep on us and then his role on Kansas eventually ends up being just like three point specialist and this will be a bigger discussion later about like the just. The kind of basketball that was played back then were It doesn't seem like that long ago it was back at a time. Where you you did have one guy who was like you be the one person on the team that shoots threes no one else threes and that was hiding that ended up being hinrichs rolled by the end of this By the end of the thing but then the big one we have to talk about his Wayne Simeon Who Midway through season has has the shoulder problem. He's averaging fifteen and eight for Kansas. He was he was great for Kansas as I said he goes on to over five. Un Big twelve player of the year. This was a sophomore year. He he missed it. He dislocated a shoulder originally on January fourth. Well he originally has had shoulder surgery in highschool. I'm so he's got this. Lingering problem then he dislocates. January fourth of Mrs Eleven Games he returns in mid February and basically by the end of February. He dislocates it again. They have the they talked to the doctors. The doctors say you're going to have to have at least two weeks of Rehab before you'll be clear. The family just decided. We're going to do surgery on it and have set out the rest of the year because I didn't want to risk anything. Probably a smart decision for the long term because It was beyond like a physical thing. It started become a mental thing if I went back and read a bunch of these articles and they just said like Roy just kept talking about. How like you could see Wayne and practice? Kinda like favoring certain things and and scared to have contact and all that sort of stuff so Kansas is without Wayne semi the entire. Ncaa tournament run. It doesn't necessarily change a ton of in in terms of like how they play. But it's worth pointing out because I you know the the. This'll be a discussion as we as we dive into the game. Because I think Nick Collison gets completely gassed this game and it becomes obvious by the. Nicholson just totally out of gas. And having a guy that could have been in there you know carrying some of this interior load for. Kansas definitely would have been a difference but how much of a difference we'll discuss later. I think voter Scott later but I also have to point out that it is hilarious as we even as we picked his game. I even said Wayne Simeon's name you know as listed people that are playing in this game just because in your mind you think you have pursue there but obstinate The shoulder injury kept him out. Yes so that is the Kansas side of it as for the Syracuse side of. I think this this story is more. Well founded my brain how I remember it that Syracuse. I vividly remember that. Syracuse was not ranked to start the season I remember that Syracuse lost their first game of the season Memphis which Looking back if you want to draw parallels and make notes and all. That sort of stuff was no early because this was the year after Doin Wagner had played at Memphis yet widener always gets called like the first one in Doug Guy even though he's definitely not guys like Eddie Griffin Zach Randolph. All these other dudes four Yeah there have been plenty guys before. Do Bob mcadoo in the sixties right doin wagner gets gets called the I wanna done so Simai poetic that Carmelo. Anthony is very first game. He loses to the Yes to the original one and done team Syracuse. Starts this season on rain. They are not ranked in any people to until January fourteenth. Which coincidentally I another fun poetry. Whatever you call it up they be Missouri. I believe on January thirteenth then after they beat Missouri they show up in the AP poll for the first time and that is noteworthy because Syracuse ends up beating four different big twelve teams on the road to their title and they also beat Missouri in the regular season. So yeah there were six big twelve teams that made it NCA tournament this year. Syracuse beat five of them on your there were five against the big twelve on the season and the media joke for people that didn't watch her understand what was going on. If you watch this game they keep saying. Throughout the entire time we'll syracuse beat. The big twelve champions. That is the little joke the gymnastics thrown out there. And that's because of course they own the big twelve the big game for me from Syracuse. That year the Ganda Says Okay. This team is a really good team. They blew out Georgia tech and I know a lot of people may hear that in modern context. And say okay. Who Cares Georgia Tech? They get blown out all the time But this particular Georgia Tech Team. I have an affinity for because of what they did the next year but in two thousand and three Chris. Bosh still there. They had the BJ. Elder Jared Jack. All those guys were familiar with that team. Luke censure and anyways they get blown out by Syracuse. I think it was like ninety two to sixty or something like that and it was like a Carmelo. Anthony Hakim work. Who's the software like these guys? There's something else even though Chris Bosh Star this. Qc They have. It's a different level of stars that we have going on here and the reason I say that is because they blew them out and then the next year I saw at the New York. I massive Greg around the beginning of the euro when my family? We saw Georgia tech at footlocker. They're walking around and Ishmael. Muhammad Ali's guys in my brother like this. Is the best team in basketball. Like these guys are unbelievable. Like this is Jordan. Detect like they were the biggest stars around so for this. Syracuse seem to blow that team out. Obviously Chris Bosh was even all mets speaks even more volumes. That says to me like oh the they were clicking. They're like an eleven game winning streak after they lost that first game they had things rolling in and they were doing it on their own and it wasn't it wasn't like it was rolling but it was still like they've into blues. No Rutgers at one point I want to say I haven't read w January twenty nine. Lose the Rutgers January twenty ninth which you talk about. Georgia tech was different back. Then rutgers was different back then to where like records now is much better than ruckers Loser Rutgers was losing to rutgers in your mind. Sounds like yes what? It's unlike last year when you said right right as of that they get taken to. Ot ON MARCH FIRST THEY TAKEN OT by really bad. Georgetown team they lose to uconn in the Big East turney by thirteen. They have five losses on the season. Two of murder Yukon. Yukon's suites in that year in Yukon wasn't necessarily like Juggernaut by any stretch so it was the Syracuse team was about what you'd expect for a team that that's led by freshman in that. There was a little up and down but they still. They still only lost five games on the year but part of that might have been debating scheduling as well. We all know help behind schedules. You know likes the schedule cupcakes. And it's often criticized for that That was definitely the case it for for this season speaking behind by the way this was twenty. Seven th year Syracuse's fifty eight years old. He's been to twelve three sixteen. He said fourteen seasons of twenty five plus wins at this point. So this was a at this point. He's kind of Syracuse legend already This was just the this was the cherry on top. This is the one thing that that had been with Out of his reach the entire time. Man It's crazy to think about that because this is this is how many years seventeen years ago. He was still already. They're twenty seven years. That's what I was gonna say to like just about You talked about. Even though they were hot they weren't really hot. This skepticism that lived in college basketball four team like that like with Jim. Behind there was we. Were still talking about the zone. We were talking about the fact that can you win the big game? Can you win and astrium ship runnings? Oh we don't know that yet. Can You? Also that with a one and done type talent? Can we actually rely on freshman guys to come in and be most outstanding player in the last time? They said the last time that that had happened was like Louisville in nineteen eighty six saint player with freshmen and perv Ellis or whoever was gonNA pay himself against Jay Bilas Jay Bilas Do Teen. Yeah yeah there you go perfect so that was like all that is skepticism college basketball at this time. It's like we've never seen this is not going to happen. I don't know about this Carmelo guy like you know. Is He really that good? Yada Yada Yada and slowly over time and I saw Jerry. Back Moore had a quote about practice One of the first days in practice I knew were going to be so good because they were looking at me like they were shocked by how good I was you know. Let's provide that context as well so the year before this game We already where he said. Kansas was amazing. Withdrew good team at all that. Syracuse was not shared. Use In in WanNa to go twenty three and thirteen they're nine and seven of the Big East they finish fourth place in the NFC. Which I think might be the satisfaction college basketball fourth place in the NFC was actually a third-place gay and they lost the third place game of the NFC and then from that team Preston Shumpert graduates use a twenty one point six point one rebound guy. He's the six all time leading scorer in Syracuse basketball history. Eve graduates the Sean Williams. He was the second leading. Scorer on the Syracuse team gets kicked off the team so I actually found an article by the way so Sean Williams team at transfer Siona and I remember that this happened but I was trying to figure out like why he transferred in like the circumstances little. You'll love this. This is like some great journalism mixed with some dirty laundry here. I find this article from four of written written in the daily Orange Juice stood newspaper. I think it's the newspaper. Here's how the article starts buckle for this outside the locked bathroom door. Eight or nine men stirred angrily their bladders needed a break and whoever stood behind the door wasn't giving it to them five minutes. They've been waiting. What was up with that girls? Wait guys just use the bathroom? As a pitstop. Between Miller lights the crowded basement corridor caught the eye of Conrad's employees within a minute to bouncers thump thump on the door demanding. Whoever was in there to get the hell out the shell? Twin ignored inside to Sean Williams heard the pounding. He's no idiot. He knew people were waiting. Sue bed they'd wait a little longer. He'd leave them. He'd leave when he finished receiving oral sex. That's how the articles darts I did. It goes on to be like it tells the story about the shod. Roy Getting kicked out of a bar and like what the hell. Yeah where takes journalists? This is before the Internet blogs this is like full-on this guy was like this. Because I'm looking like what was the Sean Wave Started? Whatever I find this and I was like Whoa. That's beyond a story that's interesting feature anyway to the larger point Those two guys. The team was not that great to begin. Those guys are removed from the team. And then now you're replacing them with Carmelo Anthony. Who obviously is is a great player was depending on what recruiting service? You looked at eight. He was he was in the top three. No matter who you're looking at the other guys were Amari. Stoudamire and Lenny Cooke Lynch who both Amari obviously went to the NBA. Lenny Cooke tried a WHO? Who made the documentary about him? Was a showtime. Have they showtime? Yeh Go watch that if you wanted to understand the story so basically my point is Carmelo. Anthony was like the top recruit in college basketball. And then you add a but even still. He's a freshman like you said. There's a lot of uncertainty around that. Can you build it because this was not? This was not a situation of a Kentucky where it's like a well oiled machine of like we sent those guys pack and we figured it out bringing the next crab. Whatever mum they'd gone to the United States and finished in Fourth Place Bring Carmelo. Anthony they bring in Gerry McNamara. Who is a great recruiters? Well and then a billy. Lynn who he was a redshirt freshman because his freshman year he. He was suspended as freshman year for sexual harassment. Type stuff and then he's he's suspended the first twelve games. I WANNA say of this season because He played in an unsanctioned league over the summer. So those were like the three freshmen grades. Teamwork's a sophomore. I think Craig forth. Who wasn't really that big of a deal? But was there started. I think he was. We gotta live. I can't wait to talk about creek. Fourth very very very young team is the is the larger point here today and it was not and I think the the the this is my long winded way of saying of putting into context. This was not like your Dukes or your Kentucky's your one and done teams of today where they had sorta figured out the science of how to coach guys how to plug is in bring him in and whatever. This was like. Jim Boeheim had a really bad team that finished fourth place in an idea. He lost his top two scores and he now had to replace them with Jerry McNamara Carmelo Anthony Basic. And fortunately for him. Those guys actually our top tube scores so when you bring into the building they can be top scorers in. It's not a problem so it did work out and it's funny because like they are the perfect you guys do put in to be those score. Rolls Really. And they don't have anyone that they're competing with for those shots. Carmelo Anthony does need to compete with anyone for shots land that early so syracuse. Here's how they get here they're NCAA tournament run. They beat Manhattan by eleven. In the first round there are three seed Syracuse ends up getting three C. B. Manhattan in the first round second round. They start their big twelve run. They beat number six sixty two Oklahoma state of fun. Fact about this game doug outlive did not even score in that game. Dugout also wasn't on. The team had graduated by them. But does it just pointing? We don't need that technicality. Point is Doug Alley did not score on the game. Then they beat Auburn by one in this re- sixteen Oklahoma Elite a number one seat Oklahoma then beat number one seed Texas in the final four. In part of the part of the reason. I wanted to bring all this up. The Oklahoma Texas then beating Kansas and the title Game Ron Syracuse. Not only they they beat all these big dwellings they knocked. They ended the careers of three. All American guards Hollis price they ended the career Tj Four one national player of the year with with David Wessel. They ended his career and then they incur trainers career With a loss which is a fun. Little caveat as well that they went through this gauntlet of like great guards. It's very old big east too. So this is this is the end of the year. So maybe that's another reason why it's watershed moment. This is I'm stamping it. Down had two other notes on behalf Roy a one. They showed this graphic during the game. Seventy-one tournament wins between them and seven final fours between When when they met up here and then the other note I had is at this point in time behind Roy had met in the NCAA tournament twice in ninety six. Syracuse beat the two seed Kansas by three Which was the which is the sixteen. Minute OF LOSING KENTUCKY IS. We talked about earlier. That was the the Paul Pierce of France. Jacques von Janice team yet on behind gets the better of Roy that one five years later in a one in the second round four vs five matchup. Kansas beats the absolute living piss out of Syracuse. They win by almost thirty and Heinrich and collison wrong too. But the Syracuse Freshman. Obviously weren't so. That was that was two years before they had met in the second round in Kansas. Beat the hell out of them. So they're sadness anything else we need to. We need to touch on to to set the stage. I think the last thing that we had to say is that the New Orleans aspect of this in the fact that it was in the superdome and the fact that I think Adam had just hit the kick for the Patriots when it's reasonable Like fourteen months before this like the mystique of New Orleans in general in college basketball in Nineteen eighty-two Jordan. Hit the shot there. That's all the mini-stories Nineteen eighty-three was there. We have are those are the those are the three the three title games to this point. Where Carolina over Georgetown with the Jordan shot the Indian over Syracuse with the Keith Marsha and then Carolina over Michigan with the weather time those are the three title Games. Up to this point that had happened in the superdome. It's funny because at the end. Billy Packer He has like this little quoted. He's like basically like is this. Not what you WANNA do or like. This is what it is like. This is New Orleans like this is what we do. And it's like Jim Boeheim is going into hug. Roy Williams the Tel -gratulations. Roy Tell Him. Congratulations to that point. But YET NEW ORLEANS THE ASPECT OF THAT. I just want to point out. It's a beautiful scene in a beautiful setting in the yellow. Yeah Oh the other thing. We've got to mention. Oh Matt resigned on Wednesday leading into this game is on Monday. The final four is on the Saturday. The Wednesday heading into the final four Matt Doherty resigned from North Carolina and it makes sense because I remember watching this game at it was like you get to watch a job interview. And this is what we're gonNA play like from now on we're going to have a white guard. Kirk hinrich coming to me. It's like this is who we are. This is what North Carolina Basketball. Look like. So so that is that is looming over the era. The mess already era. What time are let's get in the game here first of all Jim? Nance billy packer on the call is you said love love here and Billy Pag Billy. Packer was absolutely hated as Mounir. By the time young it up but it is. It is nice to go back and watch these games and hear him on the call and just remind yourself of his existence. Honestly I was GonNa say I think a lot of people there. There's a show that they do with. Acc network now in its With billy packer son with woody. Durham son in. Its way you know the two of them are talking to each other and I just listened to it sometimes and I don't even listen to what they're actually saying. I'd just like to listen to the cadence because it puts me in a basketball like mine. Stay for whatever reason so you hear billy packer people. That don't know billy packer. Stick is Dick. Basically you tell every coach while they're so stupid stupid do basically you'll go after anybody and everybody and in rooms have a very I would say love hate relationship at some level. I don't know how much love is there. Billy Packer is not afraid to talk about Roy. Williams turnovers talk about sloppy. Play not talk about that. Timeouts not talking about bad decisions so going into the game having billy packer as a Carolina. There's a point at the end of the first half. I think we'RE KANSAS FOUL. To give and billy packers like Kansas as a founding here they should go for the steel and then too they should play aggressive defense and try to steal because if they fouls knocking them and then like three seconds go by like our Kansas is doing they should still here and then like five seconds go by Kansas slowly falling into the sea. Like what are they doing like losing? The game is going to be won or lost on this decision foul gadgets. It was in it. I think Syracuse is up scoring Carmelo three or something happens then you could see not literally but like in my brain. I could see him just crossing his arms to stop football like should have filed the NFL. I told her this is added. The coach coach and everybody knows that. That's another bill is always. Everybody knows that. Never forget billy packer. One tired of psychic to track down the knife used in the OJ Simpson case. And I'm not even kidding. You can look this up folks yet. He's he hired a CY. He wanted to wanted to offer his services to figure out who killed Nicole Brown Simpson so hired psychics to try to find the the knife. This is a real thing to happen. He also used to play golf courses backwards which is to say you would like tee off on. Greens and try to hit his ball to the tee box. So that that's that's the man we had our lead analysts to college basketball. Like whenever you think of the Word Maverick you know what I mean like someone. That is a maverick and they behave like a beverage. It's billy packer and it's not a good thing. You know what I mean. It's just like he's GonNa do exactly what he wants to do and say what he wants to say. That's beautiful and then we opened this game. We get we gotTA keep working. Nicholson to go for the tip and billy packers. I comment that he says and both those guys tried to steal the tip really reprimands you know what I mean of all right so general big big picture vibes this game We already touched on. It makes it an part of the reason we did. The whole backstory of the two teams is. Because what is very unusual is that the freshman team did not play like freshmen. These senior team did and that was the theme early and often in this game. Which is that like Gerry? Mcnamara the stones on this guy But in Carmelo to both of them just so poised so call so confident at all times using swagger whereas the Kansas team looked like they were super tight. Heinrich airballs the very first that we already talked about that. Collison as you said. His first shot is like kind of jumping in fading. Throw it up. Kansas did not look like polished. In any stretch of the by any stretch of the imagination whereas Syracuse look supremely confident so confident in fact the first shall we see Jim? Behind has less than a minute of the game. And he's got his patented. Movers got his hand on his chin. Yeah he's got like four fingers up his nose kind of like doing that thing. He just looks like He. He's Chile like he's he's playing colgate in a November game you know. That's that's a carrier down that kind of seems to be his attitude because as you said he probably knew the secret. Which is that Kansas has shooters other than Heinrich and Heinrich is going to be tight. Because he's nervous because this is his last game but Kansas and he has to win it or else. What is his career even mean Kansas and he's got a team full freshmen with nothing to lose and Jerry. Mcnamara's what is hell? So he was like screw it. I'M GONNA pick my nose. Yeah I'M GONNA pick my nose and I'm going to sit here and I'm GonNa win this basketball game and it's funny because we opened the game up and the first thing that we hear for billy packer is pace is critical right. This this game is going to be about pace in the first matchup. That'd be point out his Langford verse. Carmelo Anthony which is a bit about five inch difference in Length Garden Anthony and Hermel Anthony's on the block earlier in this game. And that's the whole thing what's going to happen. Here are what. What IS ZONED? GonNa do to this. Kansas offense Kirk Hinrich. What's going to happen with Kirk? Is You can go to shoot the ball tonight. He's had ups and downs. Remember the Duke Game. One for nine. All the stuff is being discussed to begin early in the game and like the first Basset Craig forth. You know who is if people don't know what a five mad looks like. Look up pregnant because that's five. He's wearing number fifty one. He's got cement blocks for feet and and he's not going to block a shot like my favorite thing about creek for one point in the game. They're like Nichols is not afraid to say the Basque because he knows Craig forth isn't a shop locker and absolutely correct cookie. Mort that guide shop Lager Creek for shock blogger. So if you pay your first possession a game on offense is Craig. Fourteen to easy bucket. The open this up. I'd feel pretty confident to like I. I'd start putting my fingers in my nose and say we got a good shot here. Do you think Craig for duty. Carmelo Anthony Nose Creek. This if he's asking Craig fourth bumps into Carmelo Anthony on the street and he's like Yo Mellow in. Do you think are Craig. Yeah what's up? Dude was watching this game like I was watching it like they had that was that was the fifth guy. It was Craig forth because at the end of the game they go small. We'll talk about that later but like the way that Craig forth scores the first basket that is that it cites confidence Jim. Yeah and really confidence in the entire team 'cause McNamara I remember McNamara hitting six threes in this game in the first half he he he starts the Trans guys. Getting hot. In the first half national title Gains Spike. Albrecht the Phil Booth the. Who else did that handcock Hancock? Yes the idea of just going absolutely nuts but what I didn't remember about McNamara's run in the first half was that one. He was just like unconscious from the start. He was just pulling from everywhere and was wet but but sued that it was like. I said it was from the start. I think that was the part number one like I. I remember meeting the threes but I always thought it was like through the flow of the offense and like they were double team in Carmelo so he kicked it off. Jerry who was wide open definitely not the case in and also the Jerry was sort of like easing into it. Mcnamara was gone in from the star soothes. You catch the ball. He's like I'm hole in it. He's taken why some wild wild wild shots hitting them and it's setting the tone because on the other end Kansas packers just hammer that home over and over like Kansas hit threes to stretch this zone out to give him space to to It's no secret you play basketball. You KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL. At some point you're gonNA have to outside shots against the zone and that falls on. Heinrich 'cause Kansas doesn't really have any shooters other than Heinrich and Heinrich airballs. The first one misses first five shots is very very cold out of the gate and that is kind of the theme of the entire first-half Syracuse will not nist. Kansas will not make shots. The LANKFORD becomes the focal point of the game for me. Because as you said he's Guardian Carmelo given up a ton of size to Carmelo eventually gets fouled trouble fouls out of this game which becomes a huge kind of a nail in the coffin for Kansas. From Langford goes out on the flipside on offense late for becomes the one guy who could kinda mix it up because as you're watching Kansas run offense collison killing collison balls out in this game. Is Joanna. Download Jeff Graves Kansas big man? Who Would Wayne Sydney goes out? Graves becomes the new starter Starting Center he's balling out to like He. He had sixteen sixteen. I think in this game but you have like like those two guys are to stay inside. Highnesses floating around outside trying to get his threes off the air miles really quick and can penetrate everything like he's too small to kind of do anything in zone so kind of falls on length for to be the guy that's like the slasher To you know get bodies moving with zone and all that stuff And he becomes like a focal point of the offense for for Kansas. In the fact that he's the one guy who can go inside and outside both for Kansas and he's also guarding Carmelo. Anthony on the other end he becomes like the Guy I own it on and ultimately fails out misgivings I said. Because he's in. He's in foul trouble as it turns out guarding. Carmelo. Anthony when you're giving them five inches is Is Not an easy task. Yeah it's not an easy task and it's also not easy because one of my favorite Early on pivotal plays in. This game is an entry pass Carmelo. Anthony it's funny because you and I we joked about it sometimes the guards the ABA which is the amateur basketball analysts. We that happens that we know it's a violation and we wanted to be called but we understand you know things happen. You always make all the calls right so early on in this game. Carmelo Anthony. Get an entry pass. And does the classic thing where he catches the ball drops down dribble in any picks it up and then he wears on triple threat and then he starts dribbling any merely. Does that Roy Williams stands up and Roy Williams is doing the classic coach like up and down like planet. But you know just playing the bongos. Like calling the double dribble. Billy Packer obviously saw for Roy Williamson good job by Roy Williams being able to spot that they're obviously a double triple Carmelo Anthony. They're letting him get away with one there and Carmelo Anthony like you know whatever pulls up his jumper. It's ten five from that point but it was funny for me 'cause we about watershed moments in this. Like what this game would mean in terms of college basketball. It's like that little playroom at their little issue. Best TURMOIL RAGES LESS THE BALL. Off like yeah. We see that a million times in college basketball now they would never call it a double dribble but in two thousand one they probably would have and if it wasn't Carmelo Anthony and it was. You know maybe maybe on the other side. Let's say Langford. Has that happened? Maybe they do call. It was like a funny. It was the first time I've ever in in college basketball game. Remember scenes like that where it's like. Oh He's got his own officiating going on car. Carmelo is GONNA officiating dude. Belk college basketball used to be the exact opposite of superstar treatment. We're like Reginald get off on things on superstars purposely. They look up through the superstars. Word say I'm not giving them any calls. I'm calling any instance of them dragging their foot or maybe double triple in. I'm calling them. They love that they absolutely love that. So yeah you're right. This was the star whether it's sure not in our braids. The safest player pivot where it was just like oh he can get away with Roy. Williams was beside himself. I think that was so shocked. Me On the rewards because that would never happen today if we saw Marvin Bagley gets an entry. Pass the catches at drops in those. Did he start squaring up and starts going? No one cares Zion wherever it may be but Roy Williams was so adamant because at the time it was so fundamentally based at basketball and you. That's how you get Ito. That's a turnover in Kansas or the ball all over the place anyway. They're turnovers going. They need something to help them on the other side of that. So that was my willer mobile. Or it's like okay. Carmella has a different gameboy off then. And I'M GONNA pause here a point Syracuse fans. Are we saying that the rest Kansas? It's not working out on an so. Don't take this wrong way. But later in the first half Air Miles Syracuse is doing a great job. This whole I am getting back on. Defense as we know Roy run Kansas. It's a ton of their points in fast breaks air miles as fast as hell He. He's running the brakes in lamps. That's not happening in this game Syracuse. Doing a good job in back later in the first half miles goes out on a fast break. goes up for layup. Mcnamara takes really sloppy jars and gets called GETS. The call gets the charge. Call the very next possession McNamara hits his six three of the first half and that sequence to your point is like in in the context. It's two thousand three. You're looking at that. You're like a freshman. Just got that call like an odd. Yes that's wild that they would give a freshman that go but then again it is a charge call and we know of college basketball Risks Love Shark all but It was it was a really really really bad call and I'm not saying it's swung the game. It was a pivotal moment. The first half and I think it was a it was a watershed moment in in this game. Because you're like Oh if Syracuse circus already has the best player on the floor if they're going to start getting these calls of McNamara's GonNa hit six threes in the first half all my here. She's going to run away with this thing. And that's where ahead by half-time that's kind of where this thing was going. We just funny because if you flip that the other way around right if you just say like in college basketball terms I do play the fiber when Carolina play the five and it's like a younger team playing the veteran team. That's what the veteran team is doing. They're taking the charge. And then there guys Donna Williams is hitting his six three and the first avenue. It's Kinda like we'll when these senior leading guys are getting these calls and it's all coming up. How can you beat them? It doesn't matter how much talent you have on the other side. How can you beat them? But it's another thing and it's freshman guys with that town that are making these plays that. Are I think that's what we are this? We've almost a role reversal and who was playing. It was a freshman pilot. Senior senior plan like freshman her kind. Rick obviously was in his head. We bench the Duke Game a little bit. But he's been so ebbs and flows up and down in this tournament anyway that when he starts out over five. I. It's US Air Ball and the next three that he'd take smack. Mary hit three. He gets a wide open. Look for three shoots long. It's like a little adrenaline long. And then it hits Langford is such a bad brigade. Hits INFERENCE LAGGING GOES OUT OF BOUNDS. So as busy turnover and you just see it in his face it's like this is like a washed. Dover. It's having again. You know what I mean. Then everyone had had sort of been in on it. You know like what's going on with Heinrich is he gonNA show up is going to be twenty eight hundred. You're going to be the duke. We don't know right and when you start out slow and then you had the freshman point guard who's not afraid of anybody who's a bulldog and he's pulling up for about half court it's crazy threes. You know what I mean. It's like it was like for B. Which is like the senior is getting choked by the freshman. This is this is weird is not good. This is not how this is supposed to work what what is happening here. This is college basketball and then on top of that. It's not even the best freshman on the court. Who is who is. He's so good he's just so so smooth at all times and I I will say that like looking back on it. What tends to happen with people as they exalt these guys like the tournament runs. You remember. This is more of like an NBA. Fan thing where they look back on the guys who they remember college and pretend like they were like other worldly in college and you could always see all that stuff but with Carmelo. My fear was going back and watching it would be. That Carmelo wasn't as good. As we remember we remember him remember Syracuse winning alike. Carmelo was actually like Cata sloppy at times and he didn't quite have the jump smooth jumper yet or like no he was he was he was just as good as we all remember he was. He was that good. He had twenty ten seven in this game. He was just so steady under control at all times and he looked like a professional out there against a bunch of amateurs honestly. It's one in one hundred percent was that and it also had the back as you ready was not a hundred percent so as I watched this game I didn't realize how much of that was also playing into it. Where billy packer was like. They they got up by eighteen in this game. Yeah people that don't like Syracuse gets up by a lot and it's going to get by eighteen points and you're kind of like you know they're cutting to the Kansas bench and they're cutting to the crowd and they're kind of just set the stage. Ucb behinds wife. And it's Kinda like this whole moment is all coming together. This culmination of everything. But then you forget about the fact that like Carmelo Anthony is being coordinated at some level on. This guy is coming to college basketball. He's done something so far from what we expect. Some of that is it's mind blowing itself level to see zone Jimmy behind Syracuse orange with this team coming off. Nit Foreclose is now a national championship like all that is happening within the context of the game in Carmelo Anthony is also dealing with back pain and he's not one hundred percent so everything that he's doing that's amazing. You're like what happens. What he's one hundred percent so it was like another level it is a basic but he's got somewhere else to go. Yeah at one point. The first magma's resides out of bounds. It's his hands on meteoroid. I don't remember did. He hit his shot after that. But Yeah I think you might have one more. I think you might hit the might take an air miles charged. But then obviously he doesn't score the at all in the second half Syracuse jumps out to the eighteen point. Lead it's forty seven twenty nine a Kinda. Let Their foot off the gas. It's not like they think they've already but I mean when you're up by eighteen in your making everything and Kirk Hinrich airball in threes. And at a certain point you're GONNA get a little comfortable. Kansas chips back into the go into halftime is fifty three to forty to syracuse is on fifty three points on a senior Laden. Kansas Plays Fast Kansas Roy As we all know likes to get up and down there are a lot of possessions. Anytime you're playing in. Roy has gained fifty three points in the first half of a national title game when when you have freshmen. Leading the way is pretty staggering. Looking back on it but serious was was playing out of their minds and their up. Eleven at Halftime We come out in the second half. Kansas comes out gun blazing. They finally get the fast break on they. They opened the half on a tend to run but then Langford picks up at one point during the run for picks up his fourth foul early and then and then Michael Lee has to come in for Michael Lebron's of being famous for having a shop like my work late. I has taken out but they on that sensory run to cut the lead fifty five to fifty two. And you think like maybe there's going to be a game here. Maybe but then as I said. Langford kind of gets put on the bench with foul trouble in Kansas. Never really quite figured it out yet. It's one of those it throughout the entire second I honestly throughout the entire game. It feels like the macnamara factor. Obviously it's like a head start in there. Neighborhood never able to defeat with underneath them at some level rate with his candidacy and then when they do have the little slashing Gono with Langford and everybody gets musical buck as their get out in transition I it seems like a lot is That they're going to make the hamper jump over the Hump or whatever. It's going to be in this game. They kind of get Stagnant or Kansas calls timeout. Roy Williams is like trying to run. It just never came to fruition in. I don't know yeah yeah. I don't know how to explain like what I'm saying about Roy Williams against him but it never felt like they were. They were Severity level and it also it also felt like they were under pressure like like Utah. Kansas bench was a wreck. The entire felt stressful. And when they they cut over there Roy Williams like come on guys like calm down. Just play your game. And those are the early turnovers and the whole time. They were playing fat but they will replay and look good for fast. It was a rushed and and it just felt that way the whole time we Kansas. Even the second half as they were bigger the RUB. The tone of the game got dictated early in as we said. Kansas had to hit shots to affect his own heinrich had to basically be the one to do it to to stretch out zone to make Syracuse. Think a little bit. Kansas ended up scorn fine against the zone. But it was never really like a fluid thing as you said like Kansas offense if you go back and watch the game like no pointer men this Kansas Offenses Hamad. If found ways to score points a lot a lot of it was just junk honestly length slashing collison banging on the low block. Great Little Louder. Just yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It was ever really cohesive offense and on the flip side I feel like McNamara even though he didn't hit a shot in the second half by hitting six threes. You're setting the tone. You and I have played callous basketball games. That are lines. You know when guys start out hot especially like it continues now like open guys start out. They don't have to hit a shot the rest of the game because in your brain regarding a guy you got it a guy that's been hot before Just you're you're very very paranoid about it if you sit fourth row and then it's been thirty minutes since he's hit a single shot you're still. You're still biting on every pump fake. You're still like I can't let this guy get this and I feel like that was the case of McNamara's like you set the tone that I'm not missing tonight now. Kansas has to worry about him. Maybe they're not doubling Carmelo as much because their shit their pants about Gerry McNamara. Jots yeah and I think like the tone is already set and that became the tone for the rest of the game and it wasn't until Kansas started running in fast break a little bit. Kinda got a golden but then he just goes on the big run behind calls timeout. A second-half kind of settles everything. Down Syracuse. Just what's behind yelled at? His guys was basically like all we have to do is get back on defense or going to be fine. It was never really like even when Kansas started to come back toward the end and they had the shot. Obviously just over time at work blocks. I never really thought Kansas was gonNA be a threat. Nece as I'm watching it at no point. Was I lake man? This guy's got interested in for a second. I think that's what I was trying to say when I couldn't even get words together because I can't really explain how discombobulated Kansas was in this game in the sense that like when I watched it live. I thought that they had a real shot the win and I honestly you know if you had told me beforehand that last shot at the end of the game I would have told you purchased shot at. He should have made. It should have been Mario's miracle and Yada Yada Yada then as I watched this game. I'm like I cannot believe this year in Kansas. Stay in this game. I can't believe I mean we haven't even gotten to the real big story. Which is the free throws. I mean the the free rose Kansas was four for seventeen for the free. Throw line in the second half Ten thirty on the game. Twelve percent cosimo three for ten. Yeah like that is. I mean that's agreed. And it's so funny too because as Syracuse late in the game is going to the free throw line. They're just as bad. You know what I mean. They're not relying on themselves to make free throws and you could see Jim. Boeheim is just as concerned and at one point. He took back out of the game late because he was just like I. I suspect we're GONNA miss free. Throws we just need guys with lean to the car three point nine Jerry? You're the only could make him. But you gotta get out of the game billy packers pulling his hair out about every time Gerry McNamara. Path the ball in the last five minutes of the game basically. He's like she's the best free. What is he by the? Yeah the the free throw shooter was horrible. I think I think in the case of Collison who who ended up going three for ten. I think it was just fatigue. I think collison of fallen out of this game three in the free throw line and if you if you watch towards the end of the game I mean the guy is obviously gas. He's given all twenty one sixteen. I WANNA say nineteen call. What was Carlson's line in the same? Nineteen Nineteen points twenty one rebounds. I had a backward. You had twenty one rebounds nineteen points. He was basically as I was rewatching. It felt like a Greg Oden versus Florida. Where it's just like one man. Is this looking around like? Is Anybody going to help me? And he did have held like Jeff Graves played really while length slashing but like Howson was an absolute beasts in a losing effort and fouled out. Couldn't hit free throws but I think if if you want to be I mean I'm GonNa cut some slack here like if you're is exhausted as he is you go to the free throw line and you have to shoot a free throw. He's he's probably catching his breath. More than trying to make the free throw shots so but yes syracuse state goes eleven for eighteen from the three point line in the game. They started seven for nine from the three point line. Kansas was four for twenty in the entire gay. Carmelo hit three threes himself. He was three four five. You almost said as many threes is the entire Kansas team. So like I mean if if you want to boil it down to to really one bullet-point cans did not make shots shots if you WANNA extrapolate that all you have to think about this. This is Jim. Bejon was smart enough to say this all right. I'M GONNA pack in my zone so tight that I'm GonNa make this guy that struggling with his shot in his confidence I'm GonNa make him hit shots early to get that confidence and in fact and if he does that we're gonNA play off even more and the fact that the first shot that Kirk Hinrich got in. This game was a wide open. Look in its air bom from three point line. That's why Jim. Behind was so sick. He's he's like he's stuck another. Here's like Oh really. I'm in deep and there could be a fun night I I Love Neuro the point. You're trying to make and you're trying to find the words describe because it's hard to. It's hard to say. Without sounding stupid we all know the Syracuse won this game. Because we're watching it. All these years later we know that Syracuse won. But I think the point you're as you're watching it at no point. Did you think Kansas was going to win? Yes in that like if you wiped your memory and we went back and rewatch it for the first time even as Kansas starting to come back they're not gonNA make enough shots they're going to mistreat. Those are gonNA threes. They can't sustain this even as they're cutting it close and and I'm with you. I remember this game as being like I first of all I don't remember Syracuse up eighteen. That's not how I remember that I remembered Syracuse the most of the game and I remember cans make close at the end. I remember like Oh my God. Kansas might actually win. This is GonNa be great finish Watching it it opened my eyes to how how much syracuse is completely dominated. And I think that is that is a good tool to swallow as a guy who Like if I'm a Kansas Fan. I am not as upset about this game as I think I would have been. I get I don't know how to how to phrase it. I don't really feel like this is a case for the better team lost. This is my point eight if I'm against his fan I I don't get upset. It'd be like I can't believe we lost to that Syracuse Z. Because Syracuse was the better team and juice deserved the win and they proved it over the course of the forty minutes. And if you're a Kansas fan you said to yourself I mean I it if only Maryland could've won in two thousand one and then you could. Do you know what I mean. It was just like you just play a team. That was better on that day and Maryland choking against Duke in the West exactly like and maybe this would have been a problem. Yeah that's what it is. I for the sake of argument though for people the Kansas fans that will said they had a real chance to win this game. Do you just want to run through the last minute of the game? Because yeah we showed. Yeah let's do it. We'll give it we'll give I have it all mapped out here. So here we go. We've got the last play by play pop up on the screen and we got a game trends that we get to ties to lead changes in the biggest lead. Of course we said is eighteen by Syracuse Collison fouls mellow in the background. About fifty seconds ago it's eighty to seventy seven syracuse at this point and you know Kraus's kind of getting into it. Everyone's like fill in the moment you know. We're getting the billy packer set the stage. And then of course he talks about Carmelo Anthony and what they find is as interesting stat which I found the last minute Free throw shooting the last minute for Commercial Carmelo Anthony. For the season he was eight for. Fourteen is the stanton. Billy packer likes to pull out like these. The worst thing you could ever hear going the free throw line and a clutch moment like this anyways. Carmelo Anthony Poor twenty-three-year-old that billy packer made dig. Oh Yes yes after. He did the O. J. Thing at the same time I'm back for more staff look look up so mellow misses the front of the one on one. Because he gets jinxed by billy packer and that's great then only other end right. Kansas still down by three miles wide open wide open for three and he goes in and out graves goes up could have been a gold tin but the bomb. Pops backout graves gets fouled. He goes to the line. He goes one for two. Which is I mean. A saving grace at this point. If you watch jeff grades you two free thrown. It's it's something else anyway. Mellow the bad back stuff still going on. We're hearing about anthony slow to get a basically imbalanced. The ball graves falls down on him. He like goes down gets back up. Whatever work ends up going to the free throw line At the end of this after occur kind Miss Heinrich deep three with thirteen seconds left. It goes all the way in all the way out this kind of like the three phases of the jump Shafiqa Heinrich. It's like the first one was an air ball egregious the second one was in adrenaline deep brick and then the last one he finally had you know at least got some sort of similar shackle results comfortably takes it in stride shoot. Shag goes all the way in and out of course and that was pretty much their last real moment work. Mrs. Both free throws is Dover. Three Point Game Heinrich has the ball the top. There you make extra pass the Michael Lee and I did not remember this Mike Lee at thirteen points against Marquette. An was the best three point percents shooter on the team for Kansas. Yeah though it was a good pass from Heiner in my mind always thought it was a bad pass. Of course it was a group. I think I think the the lazy take the lazy. Whatever would just be like Kirk Hinrich euless senior all American guard. You have to shoot that it would. It was basically the Steph curry play against Kansas steadily. Hold like you could have technically had a semi clean. Look from like thirty eight feet. But he's like so like you're not wrong to say that he could have shot it and you're not wrong that he's the best player on the team in the best shoot like you know whatever but that's like a super old school extremely of thinking which is this guy. If you're the best you have to take the shot. Definitely the right basketball play definitely a good play for Kansas to have a Michael that wide open in the corner. He just took forever to shoot the ball. He should've shot fake first of all like teamwork was one hundred percents. Sell it out on that. It's easy it's twenty hindsight. Twenty twenty shopping. I'm sure if he would've known kielmortgage going to block it with his armpit. You probably would have shot sake but it was just a very very slow release like even your watch it over and over and over like Warrick doesn't just get a piece of it. I mean. Were like Tomahawks donor. Must be of Zaire Block Virginia close. Everyone's freaking out about like Hakim. Basically does that exact same thing but it was like. Actually you're insane athleticism by to take anything away from McCain Maury but like this was more to me like Michalis took a slow release. Yup for sure the next day so the shot gets blocked out of bounds. And then we have the. Are we going to add more time at the clock? Billy Packer is demanding. It has to be at least one point one second visit gymnasts saying. I don't know we'll see what happens. They get the time off the clock. Her camera gets the ball he shot. It's it's long. It's an airball. Jim Behind goes to shake the hand of Roy Williams. And then we get the billy packer line of the night. He says. This has New Orleans given US final fours or not. They have to be or what or not. He was talking to a psychic again. There it is. That's your last minute of the or not. I caught that soon. I'm so that was his big script. That was the moment. The gymnasts decided I'm going to start scripted lines and saying like you're out billy schwer beggar would never had the last line again my word. Is there anything else about the game or should we get into? Sperling is here. I should get superlatives because that's going to have this back into the game. So let's do it. Let's start with the The so just to recap the ones we do with these things. We do the go which is capital letters. Greatest of All Time. Nonsense lower case. Go which is the scapegoat. Duluth disappoint this. This is what we grew up with like nine times out of ten when you would go to someone you'd like. Who was the goat like who? Who's the reason he lost a game that it'd be like Elvis parents lost the game? He's the goat and now it change so we always thought that was hilarious for you and is so the goal is it became very confusing and right around the time is basically. Kobe was like twenty ten to twenty eleven somewhere in that range when people started using and what goes into the art. It was perfect for Kobe because a lot of people hated Kobe. And a lot of people obviously Gobi. And you'd have people calling Kobe. Go in certain games. And you're like. Is that a compliment not a compliment. I'm confused and you've been both of the Utah Jasser. Yeah it's like he is the goat. Yeah there's go only true go because he's the only guy that could go vote. He's above all right so we have the upper case. Go the lower case. Go we do thing? At the moment we knew the game was over again. We're pretending we're watching this for the first time. When was the moment you're like yeah? They're definitely Kansas is definitely not coming back Syracuse. Has This in the bag? We're GONNA do some. What if and then we also are GonNa go through some Inventions here some some things that were invented this game invented. This was the start as we said. A lot of things started two thousand three national talking. So let's start with the The Castro who is your pick for the greatest of all time to good goat will say. Yeah the goat of this game for me. I've actually gone back and forth on because I think there's an easy pick and I think there's a hard pick and I think I went with the easy pick and I think the easy pickets Carmelo Anthony and I think it's because he obviously is a one and done. Savan is a look gymnast. I just watched the end of this. Gymnast knows about the interview. Permanent THAT'S SMILES. GonNa last for a long time. It's Carmelo Anthony just standing there. And he just seems like a bright future superstar need climb the mountain top in one year and he did it. Kinda like it was almost not as hyped up as it should have been leading added this year with them because no one expects us to do something like this So in that sense. He's the go because he comes in he gets it done and the one done year in it in an it's happening it's Carmo Anthony. Yes pretty obviously Carmelo. I mean that's the reason we know this game is just it's placed in college. Basketball Lowers because Carmelo Anthony is the started the one and done thing as we as we said even though he didn't need whatever it doesn't matter like he was he was so iconic that year and like. I said my fear was. I was going to watch this game and Carmelo was going to be okay and then we were going to retroactively. Decide that Carmelo other-worldly debt what I was very much wrong. Carmelo was unbelievable in the game. Get Twenty seven seven for sixteen from the field. He gets Langford foul trouble which ultimately Dunes Kansas Congressman for vows when Langford on the bench I I kind of went over the problems. Kansas head with their offense without Langford Langford ended up being the leading score for Kansas. By the way at nineteen points in this game He has the big three as well like he hits the big shot. Kansas is kind of coming back graves. Picks off a pass like the block tries. Throw it to an outlet in Heinrich A HALF COURT. Just a horrible horrible pass. It's picked off by Joff Josh Pace I believe and then he throws it up ahead to Carmelo. Who is a big three which is kind of like a dagger three so it wasn't even just like he was good points? Use It huge shots. He was a calm steady influence throughout the game. Carmelo has to be the pick. I mean you could shout out McNamara for going nuts in the first African shout out collison for being for being a beast in his final game and just fallen out leaving it all on the floor of. It's definitely admirable a look back on Nicholson's The way he ended his career should hold his head up high for his effort. And all that stuff. But yet it's definitely Carmelo Anthony. The only other person I would say could chemo. Work Chemo with the block. The only person I would say is Carmelo's hairstylist. Because his corn rows were Titan fresh and Nice especially when you compare them Jeff Graves A little sloppier corner worked so shout out to Carmelo wherever he was getting hair. A very very fresh look on the young man. Yeah Carmelo. Anthony knew what he was doing. He knew it was going to be news building a brand and he was doing the right before our very eyes. And let's get to the version that guy that can't build a brand and that is any other goat not real bad goat. I have a feeling we're going to pick the same guy on this one too. I think it's at least you go. I was GONNA say it's a pretty easy pig in my opinion. And it's a guy that's supposed to be your leader. It's a guy that's supposed to be the one that you depend on God. It's supposed to open up the packed in zone because he's your best three point shooter. You're only three point shooter. Really other than Michael Lee come on. You can't be come on Michael Leeann and national title game. Michael doesn't want that. Pass either Kirk Hinrich. And we could all agree. That Kirk Hinrich. Here's a conspiracy. Michael actually glad that he had his shot blocked by key more because definitely airball in and he would be. He would be the goat if you didn't get a shot blocked but instead like it's been framed as like a great play by Akinori. If I'm Michael Leah. I'm like Oh thank God. He sent that to the third row. Because I was not hitting you know what confirm that curcumin is. Actually the goat for sure though is that he actually did airball the last three. They still had another shot. He still had one more three. He and we'll look and he was so bad that like we forgot that he got look so double goat. That's a good book. The first shot he took in this game airball. The last shot he took in. This game was an air ball and they're both just as bad like they're both so far off. It looks like you didn't even know how to shoot a basketball. I think the one to end the game is more defensible. When your risk by the clock yes just having a slightly more visible than wide open? Look but yet hiring. This is his first five shots. He has won over the airballs. He's six for twenty from the field in this game. He's three for twelve from three point line. And then you contrast that which in and of itself by itself that is bad enough but then on the flip side you have Gerry McNamara Freshman Siracusa three point. Specialists is ball out of his mind going nuts. And you're not hitting anything it just compounds. The problem and I think Hinrichs pick for. That was pretty easy. This is the only time we've ever. Yeah it's ever happened I was GONNA say like there's there's an argument you may maybe Roy Williams because obviously Jim behind the whole goal was to make sure that they had to shoot threes in the day proceeded to just try shoot threes to keep them in the game. So I I you know maybe Roy Williams and let list but it's definitely Kirk. Yeah all right. I'll this'll be more fun More we'll have more arguments over this. I think when when to you was the game over. When was the moment you're rewatch for you? Said of Syracuse is definitely went in this thing. We don't already know this is GonNa win. Yes so there's thirteen minutes. Four seconds left to go in the first half Gerry McNamara heads. The three and it goes twenty three to fourteen and the commercial. And it's like you know become back out and everyone's you know they're telling a story about Jim behind talking about how he wants to get the ball. Carmelo Anthony every single play and that's the best album. It's a basketball cut to the bench and the show the staff. I think of the time they were shooting six or seven for three or something like that and I said Yeah Syracuse is going to win this game. I think this is a I think they're gonNA have the women's game and then if you look at it. Yeah I mean obviously Kansas Mix Iran. We we have the shots at the end. That may be a real chance but once Jerry starts hitting threes in the first half of this game in my opinion it was over. So I'm twenty three to four. That's crazy that early. In retrospect should've been heinrich airball does for Suffolk game or yeah mine was a little later like I kept thinking. 'cause I just had such a vivid memory of this being close game at the end that I thought surely can't just make interesting. Shirley at some point it's GonNa become actually interest so I was still engaged even As you said like mega-mergers going nuts. In retrospect I probably should have known minor was missing in Syracuse built in eighteen point lead. Oh they're just gonNA. They're clearly the better team they're going to win. But I kept holding out. Hope I kept saying like it's going to get interesting at some point ear so my answer was with twelve. Thirty three to play when Heinrich turns his ankle trying to save the ball bows and he has to go. He gets to come out of the game. You wasn't out for long but he was already playing poorly. It had already been beaten into the ground. How important he was how he needs some big shots and how he's gotTa stretch the defense and like we really really need you to show up her and he turned his ankle and it looks really bad. He can't like put any weight on it at first and all that stuff Even when he comes back in I think at that point I okay. This is this is done because it wasn't just the ankle turning and it wasn't just like saying because at that point you know you're pretty much done for the game in terms of being productive up but that came at the end of the sequence states so Kansas cuts the lead the three at sixty one fifty eight on air miles. It gets a fast break layup. Then we have the sequence that I touched on earlier where graves throws the horrible pass. Carmelo hits the three supposedly six then call us and misses two free throws and after that Josh pace gets an easy bucket. The lead is now sixty six to fifty eight so like Kansas Kansas Storm. And all the way back on the air miles thing. They cut the three graces. Though the bad past Carmelo hits the big shot. Carlson business free does pace gets a layup then heinrich turns his ankle like oh so. Kansas had their big Bush. The cut at the three Carmelo is the big shot. Heinrich ankle-. That's it. It's gotta be it's gotTa be again. So that was it for me. I had the four had written down were would McNamara hits one of his threes So I was Kinda thinking the same thing as I had heinrich turned his ankle. The only other two I considered length for fouled out because it was an eight point game with length from files out with like five and a half to play And then when we watched the shot thinks that everyone thought I thought I was going to pick that going into the game. I thought it was going to be one word block the same. I thought it was a good game all the way up until then but on re-watch I have to pick twelve thirty three play when Heinrich turns his ankle. I knew the game. You know it's really funny going into it. I thought it was going to be one or two things. I thought it was going to be. I remember Collison filing out and I was like it's going to be when Nick House and say that's the moment Kansas new. They weren't GonNa win this game or was the block obviously and when it calls and found out when I was rewatching it I already thought the game was over but I was just like it even feel like it was a big moment for whatever might have. Can I just say the standing ovation? The Nick Collison Gut was kind of weak. I don't mean to call out Kansas this fans but I'll do I'll call out syracuse fans. I've only a okay. Let me. Let me backtrack. This'll but what I mean to say is. There was really not a great crowd. Presence in this game and I don't I don't mean attack Syracuse or cans. Maybe it was just like the way the superdome is built. Maybe the acoustics of the Dome or the way. Cbs was wiring and their microphones. Whatever it was but it was really weird. I never really felt like as I was watching the game. The crowd. Really that into it maybe Jerry. Mcnamara's Fall Syracuse. Came out to vic leads you know. Instead on their handle it was they were so tight. I'm telling you that whole building. I don't care I know it. Just too tight. It's just not fun when it's like that I I kind of felt like that with Like watching the two thousand seventeen title Wiggins Aga- fans like they were just so tight because they had so much pure faith in that they were GonNa win. You know it's just It's not as fun like that sometimes. So all right. Let's get to our. What ifs do Someone You got any good. Yeah my number one. Whatever this whole game is all right. What if Let's say what if Jim Behind does not win this game. What happens then? Because here's what happens Jim behind becomes basically the greatest number two of all time he is. Coach K.'s Dr Evil. He is number two and he is right biocide. He's Never GonNa you know he's always going to be you know the bell of the ball or whatever he's always going to be number two man. The zone gets banned from college basketball. Because you can't win with zone. The incidentally comes in and they're just like you know what we don't need this. We don't need coach k. Being able to run zone with a bunch of one dollars. Let's just get rid of this. Jim Boeheim bows out. He's like I'm sorry. I tried. I thought zone would work. But obviously you can't win the big one with zone It's over. It was a good run so all right the zone. So that's one of the. What IF THEY LOSE this game. I'm I'm loses this so winning. This he gets a little taste of success. He thought that the only thing he ever wanted his life was the one one national title but then he gets it. He realizes the real thing he wants. More than anything is to win. More Games than coach K. Yes so now. He's that's why he's still hanging on coaching Maybe if he doesn't win this weirdly enough retires earlier he just gives up on the national retires without national. Because now he's now he's going to die on the bench. Now he's like I got a I got when more than Jay Jay's thinking the same thing and those guys were coach other three hundred years old yes yes. That's a great. What if you do you think you'd be likeable? Do you think would cause like people? Don't really love because he's just a crew module and we over Wide Bay Bam's not the most likable Ghana. We love but we understand. They like the most human college basketball coach. It's ever lived like he's just like you'll straight up. Tell you when he's nervous. I'll tell you what he's thinking at all times coaches exactly how I would coach which is just like a key still to this day is brought us out. Just I mean he's still bitter about the key. Smart shot like a lot of college. Basketball coaches are robots. That just take the next play mentality. Jim Behind the human being like I am. He's like I'm pissed off that you've made that shot. I thought I had the title Bullshit I'm bitter about it. Screw that guy. He still does that attitude. Do you think you'd be more likable? If he never won a title yes. He will be rooting for every single year. Like now he's he's in the twilight of his career that they're like come on Jim. We're all root for. We want you to get your one. I two but he would hate it. Tell you why. Because like he would they would treat him like a baby or two Wa wa or like you know some little like it's like oh it's so cute. We hope he has. You know we hope you can mega run this year and honestly they kind of Bob Huggins like you kind of become like a like a little acute care during the world as opposed to like a real guy who is head coach. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah it's it's a fine line you want you want people to root for. We don't want to pity and I think at this point forty five years in the job. If he hasn't won a title you can be pity. You poor thing. When you mentioned earlier Jim Boeheim and already been at Syracuse for twenty seven years during this game. I just got him his bed. That I'm twenty seven. That guy spent my entire lifetime at Syracuse. Yeah that was easy. Seventeen years ago and high def even been invented yet. Exactly all right. My for this game is what if Wentz immunise healthy I think from a stylistic standpoint it doesn't change much because he's he's not hit breeze we've kind of hammered that Kansas had to make shots. They did not make shots. That's what ultimate cost him to win. Wayne Simeon was not going to go out there and hit threes for them to do though is maybe he he gives them another body to throw a Carmelo and maybe that helps with Langford spelled trouble. Maybe it helps with foul trouble is certainly I think would have helped with Carlson's Fatigue issues that he had late in the game where he's used found a little more tired he was missing. Free throws them all of that site. I don't know where I fall on this. I don't think Wayne Simeon wins the game for Kansas. But I think it definitely helps their chances. I- Syracuse was just so like Winston is not gonNa Guard Gerry McNamara threes himself a winston. It's not going to you know. Go Ten for ten from the free throw line so ultimately. I think the problems that the harm Kansas. I don't think Wayne Siemian directly solves them but he definitely helps out because you can kind of lake take a little bit of the load off. Langford. Maybe link for doesn't fell out. Maybe give him some more points you know. It was more of a trickle effect. And when he started doing that you Kinda lose me with the what is so. I don't really think it's that big a deal. I like my. What if some lake? You change that one thing. It fundamentally changes everything with the Simeon thing. I think you've changed that that it has to change something else which is something else which changes something else at that point. Who Cares? So let's just do my. What at that fundamentally changes everything because we see it's already changed college basketball. It's in fact it's already in college basketball. What if the G. League lead Carmelo Anthony playing for what I would say Syracuse? I said I think yeah. I think I think circus would've lost by other. What if would be? What if it doesn't fell out already kind of touched on that? Because if you go back and do that play. Leedle Bill etling absolutely flops on this on this email driving to the basket Langford Garnham. How did trips over his own feet? It's the fifth foul Lankford. He he's he can't believe it he gets sent to the bench his his season's over at that point scored nineteen points for Kansas. I think that call. I don't think it really matters. I forget what the score was at that point. I think down like eight still six. Maybe I still think Syracuse wins but that one is more intriguing to me than Simi. Implants because I think Langford. Yeah I think of lengthens not foul trouble. Think doesn't get called for that foul. It's a much more interesting into the game but I still think searches once. That's why I I still keep coming back to that like I. Don't think any of these things that drastic. Yeah my last one. If that I have is what if you know? Kansas wins his game. What if Roy Williams in Kansas they win this national championship and what's a ripple effect? Because here's what I think happens. I think that Roy Williams decided to stay in Lawrence Kansas. I think they win that game. I think that he catches feelings. I think he finally reaches the mountaintop. He almost feels like he doesn't have to go to North Carolina to get that validation from you know that experience in his life because he was able to reach at a Kansas and I think if that were to happen that would be insane because North Carolina's head coach right now would probably be bills and pink. Oh yeah that's interesting. If you went I certainly think of Kansas. Wins and Roy Lee Carolina. Kansas fans. Don't hate him and there's no Oh yeah yeah for sure. We're going to get to that a second. We're going to get to the whole Roy could leave. I don't think he gave. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA talk about Roy Harris. Yeah can't if Roy wins it's I don't I don't think so either. I don't know that that is fascinating. Maybe maybe cause it. Because is it something where it's like. I got the one thing I wanted now. I can leave and be happy knives I think about it or is it. Like the whole reason you went to Carolina's because he thought himself I can't win a national title at Kansas. I just can't do whatever it is. I'm cursed I can't do it here. I need a fresh start dance why he went to Carolina. Yeah that's an interesting interested not the only other. What if I had is a? What if Kansas made shots? Wow Sin senator kinder you gotTa make shots toward at this level. Kansas did not make shots. You're the losers yeah that that's pretty much all right. Let's let's go over a list of things that were invented. Let's let's remind the people what was invented in basketball in this game. We already kind of started the first one. Carmelo with the superstar Treatment Yep Yep superstar treatment with the refs Carmelo events that my number one mentioned in this game was for Jim Boeheim. He invented small ball. Jim Boeheim was the creator of Small Ball. He Of course took out and put in game work game work at the big black so small ball where's Waldo chimps small so no one ever obviously? Carmelo invented the one and done model This is the I love. The CARMELO was not during the one and done era. Which is anytime people talk about one dollars. You still have to mention Carmelo. And there's always the caveat people can't say like one and done such as Greg Oden. Anthony Davis Kevin Durant and Carmelo at like you always have to say you always have to include those guys and then say in parentheses also Carmelo Anthony. Who's not part of one than Arabic started the trend? Anyway it's we'll explain it later. You've got a muddy the waters on the whole thing but Carmelo invented the one and done whether it doesn't matter what the weather rules in place or not way everyone will remember it. Is that Carmelo? Anthony was the first ever guy to be one and done in college basketball. Yes yes hundred. Percent Hundred Percent Roy. Williams have ended the break-up and Roy Williams of into the blue break up which is basically like I can jump from Blueblood to Blueblood and I can get away with it and no one's really going to care that much obviously really cared the media that ranked the coaches. That's the only billups overweight. He invented the oversell of when you leave. One School. Just like oversell. How much torn up about it out the door bring. It was the best it was me. It wasn't you guys. It was me I had Gerry. Mcnamara invented the unconscious ray rage He invented the absurd shoot from anywhere on the floor range that was mimicked by JJ After a kind of overlap their careers actually over left. Jj redick copied them. Even though is riddick older than it actually the same age. I think they're the same age either. Yeah they're both I one. They're the same age but McNamara Venit McNamara and vintage. Just like going from anywhere I got. I got the hot hand. And then Morrison Riddick Jimmer Steph trae young. All these guys it was invented by Gerry McNamara. He was the first great shooter in College Basketball History. Exactly he was the original Original love that next up to Mitch. this is not an invention but as soon as you pointed out. Jj rennick men to sixteen sweet sixteen for people that want to couric. Yeah Kirk Work for nine sure but JJ sixteen. That sounds a lot worse than me. But yeah bitch invented zone defense. I actually let this update here. Here are the three teams that one plane zone. So Michigan State Played Zone seventy-nine while they won the title. Magic Johnson could guard anybody so they would hide magic defensive deficiencies planes Villanova of course at eighty five played zone against Georgetown because they had no answer for Patrick yes so they play eighty. They play the perfect game. Villanova perfect game in eighty five and then. Unlv of course played the Amoeba with Tarquini in nineteen ninety. Those are the three teens. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter as far as we're concerned. Zone defense was invented in two thousand three. Jim Bay high started the zone. Defense three so Giambi haven't been zone. He'd vanity idea of zone defense winning national titles to. I love that in a in a tell a held up. You don't mean it still to this day. People were like thousand three. That's when so defense works of also had Kirk Hinrich Nick Collison invented Roy Williams pipeline to Iowa which actually isn't true. Either Review of France was raised in frontier radio. France was from a Iowa but in my mind they kept hammering home. That calls Heinrich from Iowa. They were coach. Assads from Iowa. Yeah so I think that was the pipeline to Iowa at the broadest. Marcus page in Harrison Barnes. So yeah that was invented by yes. So thank you for Harrison Barnes and Marcus. Pay To really appreciate that. Nicholson and Kirk Hinrich. That checks out that. What else out? Here macnamara invented the red hot first half that we already talked about that. Spike Albright Heinrich air miles invented the Marcus page and Joel. Berry shifting over to the Combo Guard very much breast about all I have. Is there anything else? What else? What else was invented? I think the biggest invasion of all this was Carmelo. Anthony getting getting the the player. I calls in college basketball. We've never seen that before. So I I want to put that out there as a great invention I say can I say quit the Wany? We haven't even really shouted out quite the way the lone senior on the Syracuse team. Mazing name Hoosier as well Bloomington North High School. Same highschools jared Jeffries same high school Sean May dwayne. He invented the idea of like he was the captain of the team. He invented the idea of clearly not being the best player on the team. But like somebody arguing that. He's the most important player on the team. Even though anyone with you only need to eyeballs you could have one functioning Dick Vitelle with one eyeball rain. It's all the way he's not even close to the best player on. I'm sure at some point three someone. Who's like listen? I understand Carmelo. Is the best understand? Jerry gives us a lot of shooting but just think from an intangible steamboat especially like your mind. Bechtol three date. Would he got this team full of freshman? I guarantee there are people like I. Just think with being the senior. Captain keeps these guys together. I think the intangibles I think is defense. I think the way he mixes it up with these guys. Keep them all focused. I think I think you could make an argument that causes most important. So I'm GONNA say Wayne he invented the idea most important player. The being the most important player. Even though you're not even close to the most talented player Okay Dago. Most important play on an ashtray. Which team now the most valuable? But the most important thing. What else we have to hit on. Do you have any fun? Facts that for clean up duty that we missed. Honestly the biggest thing that I want to talk about is the fact that just Roy Williams part of this like the the aftermath this which we kind of talked about it but the MED thirty on Wednesday announced shift aftermath. Let's do let's just get into it. Let's head first into the Roy Williams aftermath. Okay so Oliver inventions done and here we are Roy. Williams is now just lost with senior guys. He is now with Kansas but also a lot of rumors about Carolina and then we Bonnie Bernstein. That does a little interview with Racy Wilson. Not Tracy Wolfson so we apologize to our listeners out there for so long. I actually had it marked on my computer when I looked at the file. Tracy Wolfson Roy Williams and It's not as Bonnie Bernstein eurowings. But you know here we are and she s Roy Williams about the northbound Carolina job. Obviously it was a somber time at this point coach Williams. You know it's a tough loss for you guys. Have you had any time to think about the North Carolina job and he said Look Bonnie I give a shit about North Carolina in that in that is the last thing that is when Roy Williams the demand. That's one where we went from. North Carolina fans are excited their scouting their new code or Washington. An Ashtray Game Two way to Dean Smith not cuss and if if this is who this guy thinks he is. We're trying to hire coach K. So immediately North Carolina Fans. They go on the offensive where their dislike going. Roy Williams who are you to say like you don't give a shit about North Carolina while we don't give a shit about you so there's like a week of that goes on all just kinda get sits under the rug because again Dean Smith comes back in need Smith says look everybody we gotta have a win like if you what Carolina basketball like. This is who you want and it all comes do we have. Do we have the audio of Bonnie bursting ruins we yet. Lewis Lewis Mary understandably. You didn't want to address this issue during the week but many people out there with the game over one A. What your level of interest is in the North Carolina job coach body? I could give a flip about what those people want as a journalist. You have to ask that question. I understand that but as a human being it's always people that want that answer right now. They're not very sensitive. Offer you the that. Would you be willing to take it? I haven't thought about that for one. Second haven't thought about that. One second the guy in your ear. That told you have to ask that question as a journalist. That's fine but as a human being. That's not very nice because it's not very sensitive and I got that in tough times. That people should be more sensitive. I could give about North Carolina right now. I've got kids in that locker room. Thank you for two things. I want to point out here. You already covered their Roy's custody and this is a big deal Roy. Williams doesn't cause North Carolina coaches. Don't cuss Dean. Smith wouldn't allow this to happen. He could tell the first time. He says that he says Bonnie I could give a flip what these people want. So he's tested. He's like revving up the engine a little bit. He's dipping his toes in the water. He he does the cuss word without causing. I could give a flip and then body. He kinda shoots doughty says You know he says the journalist hard but as a human being understand that and he thinks it's over he thinks if I just say that Bonnie will leave me alone. Monte birdseed goes back to the Welsh all. That's great coach. What if he offers you if they offer you the job? Or you're GONNA take it. And that's what he snaps he's like. I don't give a shit about North Carolina and so that was hilarious. Roy was just got a you know he was. He just kept hidden poked but the the fact that Bonnie Burston asked him again. The fact that Roy Williams is calling out cook. We talked to the guy who is in her ear. Whatever happened to that guy? I need to wear out to the guy that was in Bonnie Bernstein. Roy said you're a bad human being the producer. He's like Bonnie. I know that you're not asking that question. But whoever's in your ear bad man he's a bad bad man but at the same time. Roy respects the business. He's a journalist. I understand this request. You must have great work. I would give you the word great journalism and I respect that but as a human being your piece of Shit but then put the ball on it all after Roy just reams Bonnie Bernstein and CVs at all of that. He said She says coach. Thank you very respectfully. A hits hits him with the coach. Thank you very much So I I love that. Roy invented the The the cantankerous post game interview with the the Letter Hamilton Dana Jacobson. Add that to the list so to the larger points eight. Roy Williams gets asked about North Carolina. He says I haven't I haven't thought about it for a single second. Not One second of I thought about North Carolina exactly seven days later he takes the North Carolina job and kind of shapes modern college. Basketball's we know and as we said Carmelo on its college basketball. If you're looking at it as it's due to wrong thing of players and coaches Carmelo Anthony in this game shapes the direction of the players. He starts the one done movement. He makes it a viable thing. Where you know we talked about earlier. Amari Stoudamire Carmelo Anthony to the best recruits in college basketball going into the season. Amare Stoudamire obstacle pro. First Carmelo Anthony Obstacle College in Carmelo shows the path that like if you go to college and kill it and win a national title star. You hit the ground running when you get to the league and everyone already knows your name and you can can use college for that one year as a jumping off point whereas Hari obviously had a great year but like it took him out of my own little while for people to know who Amari Stoudamire was so Carmelo shows us the path with he kind of lays the groundwork for modern college basketball players. Go Roy Williams leaving North Carolina sets the framework for modern college basketball with coaches. Because then bill self comes because comes to Kansas Bruce Weber goes to Illinois If Bill Self was on the bench for Illinois Maybe Illinois Beach North Carolina title game but instead Roy Winds Carolina gets going from there and and away. We go well. Let's talk about the fallout Roy. Going to North Carolina eight because the day after he takes the job. I found this clip of of him being interviewed by a young Mike. Greenberg a younger Mike. Greenberg will say on sportscenter. And he says Roy Roy doing the overselling how bad he feels. He's asked about how he felt with. Doherty was fired. He says I was stunned. Authority wasn't he resigned. Yes yay door gave them the option. Yeah yeah he says. I was stunned. I felt uncomfortable. Matt's guy like this is very awkward for me it He then says that he felt like a traitor kept using the word trader that he felt like a traitor for the recruits who ended up being. Who were the recruits Omar? Wilton David Padgett. I think most guys that can't had signed. He called them to tell him he was leaving. He says I feel like a trader. He made clear that he was going back to the banquet on Thursday. So this is on. I'm trying to get my day straight. This is on Monday. He takes the job the Monday after the title game. A week later he takes the job. That Thursday was the Kansas postseason banquet. Roy went back to Lawrence for that and he say he's talking to Mike Greenberg about this. Kansas Finish are not happy. Obviously they're very very hurt by this a Scot Pollard. This is my favorite part of all the fall out Scot Pollard. Calls the calls the Lawrence newspaper unsolicited and just starts talking about how he feels like. He's been betrayed by by coach. Leaving Scot Pollard left Kansas in one thousand nine hundred seventy left six years earlier and he was calling the Lawrence paper unprovoked. It was just like here. Are My thoughts? Take grab a pen and paper thoughts a so. He he left Kansas absolutely shook because they promise the national title. They thought they were in this together. They thought it was a family. Roy Preach Loyalty and he left the tape. And I don't know your thoughts on all this but I thought it was pretty easy Because it's hilarious you know. Seventeen years You know it was April fourteenth. Read so you just do the math. It's not that long after next year which gave no about a week or so after James. Who gave Roy Williams as announced the head coach North Carolina? So he goes from. I don't give a flip. The on the new head coach nicely. You know that. That's that's A. That's a turnaround that we've seen all way too many times at this point but the lead up to it was all the rumors that were going. Reverend Williams was you know I mean. The two thousand rumors were everywhere. Ruins is gonNA come North Carolina. That was a dean wants to happen. Guttridge wants to happen Roy. You know he's done a great job Kansas. He's obviously had all these great players but North Carolina is home wants to come back to his home state. Yadda Yadda did he doesn't come in. It's because he wants to stay in Lawrence and Wanda's wife with Saint Lawrence and all sorts of stuff so there's three years of just shit you know for North Carolina Basketball No one's having a good time nothing. Nothing's going well. Anyways Roy Williams is doing what you're saying which is like chiming in from the outside like why hope Matt figures it out. I Love I love you. Know How he coaches. Those kids got it. Yeah so you're getting all this from work in the air irritated right because you're just like you didn't want to be here now. You're commenting on it and stay over there. Yeah but then he comes full force and you almost have to walk back that three years of wake but then he still has that outlook for Kansas that he did have Carolina before where he's like. I hope Kansas figure. I hope the day. Paget ITO figures out live Lawrence North Carolina fans like. We don't care about day. Whoever that is I care about. Rashaad McCann's Weiss throwing balls at our head coach practice like. Can we figure that out when we get into practice? Figure that out. So that's the funniest that's sort of like the most interesting thing with coach. Williams that he's both sides of the coin with Kansas fans an with Carolina fans. He has a love hate relationship even though I mean look ruins seventeen years of North Carolina nine regular season titles forty five Tournament Wins Five. Final fours four Title Game Appearances Three Natural Championships complain about that. But there's also the underside of that. There's the undercard with Narcan fans you've been stood up before you know it doesn't matter. Everyone remembers two thousand sorority. Get over that and I think his first year honestly was like a it was growing pains like talking about like like he was benedict. Arnold or whatever like nobody was ear that North Carolina Chapel Hill. To hear. You say that you feel like you betrayed. Kansas came home betrayed anybody. But Roy ahead to like I don't know it was a weird flip and everyone but they can't poindexter like I used to know the first year I was like who is this guy can't say it gets but then I fell in love and this is why Roy was so conflict. I really do think. Roy's genuine because I think he made clear that North Carolina was the only job you would ever leave for but but Kansas fans also had. They rightfully felt very upset about this. Because this wasn't just a case of coach leaving for a program first of all it's a hard pill to swallow in your Kansas and someone voluntarily Turns Down The head coaching job at your school. Because you're like your chances. Who why would you not want to be here? We're the best of the best like what are you. What do you mean. You're leaving voluntarily right after we almost want national title that makes no sense whatsoever But there's also the unfinished business. Kansas has won a title since one thousand nine hundred eight. It'd been fifteen years at that point and you know it was it. Was Roy been within the entire? Ron is the face of those fifteen years. Roy's the face the fifteen years. It's all it's all building to this moment and you come back close to where it probably in Kansas fans. Minds of Michael Lee makes the shot. They went and overtime and that's probably what they had convinced themselves. So that like we were so close to win the national title. And you're GONNA bail on his now that I understand their point of view. Especially Roy preached family the whole time and they feel betrayed but it is kind of perfect how it all worked out because obviously you pointed out. Carolina's was better for it. They've won three national titles. Since then no more titles Roy Williams. Since he left Carolina a Yukon is one three but one Kevin Kelly as a little side but a Kansas. Better for bill comes like maybe maybe the Roy Bill Self. I'm not saying who would have been better. Whatever but I think he's as fans would agree that the way it worked out ended up being perfectly ended up being perfect that twenty years. Later after Danny Manning eight you win and you don't just win an eight you beat you caroline on the way to winning you beat Roy Williams in the final four. Don't don't beat him blow him out. Roy Is then wearing the Jayhawk wearing two thousand. Three hundred percents doesn't happen if Kansas wins. The national title in Two Thousand Three and then Roy wrote lineup. He's not wearing the Jayhawk he's lying. I don't feel bad. Whatever the only reason he did that is because Kansas fans were so upset when he left that he felt that bad. That he's like you. Kinda overdid it Roy. You should put your foot down with like L. With all the I give you fifteen. Good years you not accept the kiss my ass. But he's too nice but then not only all of that but then the way. Kansas eight ended up being perfect. Because it was the missed free throw by Memphis just like a teamwork missed the free throw Syracuse. And there's the scramble. They need a three to send it to overtime. Instead of getting shot blocked they make it. They win over time. It was all perfect. I don't think he's got a scripted or any barriers fan so it all worked out for Kansas. It was just crazy. The the the wheels that went emotion when Roy left and they started turning on d do like Kansas fans. Dean Smith probably not anymore but I I was digging up all these articles that are written about how held Roy. Dean is a Kansas Guy Dean from Kansas play. Kansas Kansas through and through. Why would he? Why would he stabs all modern the back like this just to get Roy Williams North Carolina? The whole thing the whole thing was juicy but it worked out for everybody. Everybody says well. It's funny because like just the the drama behind at the Kansas. The Kansas connective tissue North Carolina with fog Allen with Dean Smith with Larry Brown with Roy Williams and all those guys basically being able to pick and choose their loyalties. So it's like a and they have the two best backyards to pick you. Don't I mean it's like you want Lawrence Wilt Chamberlain and all in fog on all these guys deeds method? You Are Frank. Maher or the list goes on. And on Ron Leaning Rosenthal is people end is because Dean Smith obviously like became the North Carolina person at that point but he still had such an affinity for Kansas. That he didn't want them to like he knew how they all know how fickle situation is and how much it will blow up and it's just so funny that they tried to do it all behind closed doors in secretly and like you know trying to get the all the cards and all the ducks in a row and this is the year. Roy should leave. North Ron's ready to get rid of met thirty this year. It's like all these things were just like being decided behind closed doors but they were also getting leaked and it was time on. The Internet wasn't around like it is today so it was all rumor mill. It was all just like folklore and I think that's why I was so dramatic when it all happened because it didn't even feel real like when ruined it came out of the Roy. Williams is here as a kid. It took you know some days for that to be like. Are you serious? Jawad Williams is going to have its coach. What we're going to be the has to be. The biggest is that the biggest higher in college basketball says since then has has there been a bigger. I'm trying to think of a moment that was bigger than that. Like when you said like Oh man this is Ms Calipari or Roy Area Kentucky. I mean but I don't really think that's that's maybe it is. I guess it's sort of the same thing ish but yeah I don't know but but Memphis wasn't like it was more defensible because like he's leaving Memphis using conference. Usa At the time Memphis Day. Just like hiring the hottest coaches. Yeah this one is like Oh my God. Someone's leaving Kansas right after going to the national title game. That's crazy but it all worked out for everybody. The wheel motion bill self goes to Kansas. Bruce Weber gets the Illinois job. If Bruce Waiver. If that doesn't happen Bruce Weber doesn't inherit. Bill Secretes go to the title game. Maybe Bruce Weber like when he gets fired from Illinois. He doesn't end up at Kansas state and may be yeah like he ends up Kansas State which actually helps Kansas fans as well right. Right is the rebel receiver for fans. Did Not want to listen to this. If you listen to this now you understand all this head. It was all it was all. It was inevitable enough about Kansas. Though we gotta talk about Syria I could I could just subconsciously feel Syracuse fans getting mad at spend time talking about the damn champions the aftermath of Syracuse so Carmelo goes pro. Obviously we all know his story. I guess I guess I'm looking back on a date. Carmelo Anthony. His what's wild about. This is that he spends one year in college and we've made this point before his one year in college has overshadowed he's had a hall of fame MBA career. He's going to go to the hall of fame. He's one of the one of the greatest. Nba players ever. Even though he's never won a title. People say this is all whatever the guys. The guys unbeliev is one of the best players of his generation. Whatever and yet he still arguably not even arguably to me but like arguably to the the greater picture better known for his one year Syracuse because it was just that magical he was. He was that good. That's pretty crazy to think about. Is that people still to this day. Talk about Carmelo Syracuse Carmelo in the Olympics in NBA Carmelo NBA Carmelo. Is everyone favor version of carpeting? Say It's like Olympics in Syracuse. Carmelo battle it out for the top and then it's like a long drop. It's like yeah. Nba Mellow and the guys. Like one of the greatest scores. He's unbelievable and when he was on the Doug it's unbelievable when they could have gone the finals a few times. But somehow we forget about all that sort of stuff I don't so let's the Carmelo. Aftermath is like his legacy will endure forever as the guy who We've been joking little tongue-in-cheek about like inventing the one and done thing. But even if even if he didn't invent the one and done it's just like he he is forever. The model of using one year of college basketball to boost your profile to submit your legacy and then in hit the ground running as a as a bonafide star and then gay Jerry. Go ahead oh I was GONNA say forget that if he gets drafted by the Pistons would have won a championship. Most likely unless he took all the shots away from teacher on prints or something but they probably wanted Jamie. Then everyone would say Carmelo. Anthony Bajic Johnson Larry Brown would have ran out of NBA basketball basketball actually Gerry McNamara aftermath. We all know he finished his career. No six with the legendary big tournament run where Syracuse wants. Four Games of four days on all of them were basically possession of title game. If you pick by four ends up stuck in the Stadium in the first round McNamara just completely runs out of gas but He he becomes a legend in his own right host. This like that's that was what was cool about. Mcnamara's like it wasn't just he had this. One Ron faded into oblivion he. He was great throughout his entire career. Of course we get the Bay We wouldn't win ten fucking Games Without Gerry. Mcnamara the legendary rant. That will always always think about what I think Gerry. Mcnamara behind saying we wouldn't have won ten fucking games and I think a string cheese but for McNamara to book in his career with the national title and then of course they lose in the first round of his senior year that the tournament. But that big run Almost worth it it's almost better syracuse fans. I think they'd rather have had that. Oh Six big East Ron. Who's in the first round? Have them like lose in the second round of the Big East tournament and losing the Sweet? Sixteen in Oh six you know what I mean like. It's almost better. Just have the biggest ron inflame out. Then see as So anyway that's the that's the macnamara aftermath and then we all know behind behind still stuck around. He's in your forty five. Made a couple more final four since then. Add Two teams had the team in twenty two and twenty twelve. Both felt like they were good enough to win. It both had a Fab. Melo had the academic problem in two thousand twelve. Because he couldn't speak. English is expected to take all the classes and then a honor walk. You had the leg injury and in two thousand ten eight up the Butler in the Sweet Sixteen Gordon Hayward Butler team. He's had some good teams. Never had a team. That's really he said team. That could contend. He's he had the twenty thirteen team. That beat Indiana made. The final four by Carter Will Exhibit Twenty Sixteen Team at Virginia. Louis obviously but never really had a team. That was like this team is going to win. The National Title Other Than Twenty. Two thousand twelve was probably best shot but like Kentucky with Soga that year and Carolina was so good that year. Yeah so anyway. That's his one shot so it's a good thing he wanted to. I guess I was GonNa say like Gympie. I've that was that was the year he did it. And that's why we're so confident that I added Jerry Makmur from the other day. I don't think if day goes by when you don't think about that moment which is like one of the national image. And you know I think a Lotta Times on the show we joke about. You Know College basketball dying all sorts of stuff and the end of whatever it was but Gerry McNamara saying that got me a little bit. Because he's still ask Syracuse on staff right now and just the fact that like that game that moment it's still has such Like a space in his heart in his mind I it says something about college basketball at that time. And it says something about you know what it means to perform all nets And have it be such a special moment and to continue to let it be and not be like? He was so pure how he was saying. It wasn't like I'm bragging about it. I WanNa talk about our days. It's like I think about it. Every day makes me happy. He's be happy. There's there's no point in trying to rank stuff like this because it's stupid and in fruitless and who who really ultimately cares but it really does feel like Syracuse the fan base of Syracuse is a tighter community then again. I don't know where they rank in terms of like the tightest commute like the most familial type community but the faculty Jim Boeheim grew up. There went there and has been their entire life the fact that like Jerry. Mcnamara's plays they're in the now he. It really does feel like Gerry. Mcnamara is going to be there the rest of his life. Yes eventually take over. He's going to be the new bay. I but just that whole region of the country is feels like they got they got that. Russ Bell mentality of like. We'll make fun of ourselves will crap on ourselves for how much it snows here. There's nothing to do. Here are the only show in town Syracuse basketball but if anybody from outside Syracuse tries to make fun of us will kill you we you and I love places like that. That to me is what I think of what I think is. Syracuse is like that fan base Is just so. It's just like a cultural thing and obviously a lot of these things I'm saying are true. Fan bases around the country but like it just feels like a special trip. Syracuse that one observation. I've had steered Francis Wealth They all have like old old gear that they wear like you're watching A. Syracuse gave you always see like this scattered about in the carrier Dome sweatshirts? It looked like they were made in the sixties or eighties. People like no of like like people that have been fans of Syracuse basketball for only like the last ten years or whatever they did grow up there but they went to school there or they're younger fans whatever they still like have opinions on parole Washington per watching Jersey Democrat. Yeah they they still really really care and it's like how could you possibly share about that? You aren't old enough to remit but it's because it's been beaten it's such a cultural thing there so for them to have the one title and not just the one title. I really do think that like this team. Winning is so much cooler than the nine hundred sixteen for example like no disrespect to John Wallis but like that was kind of a forgettable series team. Eighty seven was a good team. That would have been a good team if they want. But it's cool that three-team it's cool. That you have a guy like Carmelo Anthony who is an icon he's not just a syracuse icon. He's college basketball. Icon Jerry Magnum era. Everyone will remember him It just all kind of came together perfectly in a weird way. I really do think it's better for Jim. Boeheim for his legacy for like how I will remember him for a all that other stuff that he only wanted one. I think it's like we really better that Jim. Boeheim only one because it like makes it more special and it makes the fact that it happened in the superdome after the eighty seven situation was shot it just all ties together so perfectly and I don't know that's that's kind of it that's all I really have. Yes got a guy like a mass amino vibrated. There it's like they had to do it that year. If they do that you're they would never done it. And then they did it and it's like it's nice to go back and reflect and just look at even say we're talking about an active college basketball coach by the way we're just like he's never gonNa do it like yeah you could do it next year talking about. Bam like he's dead. He's been dead for fifteen years did so so good for him. I do want to rattle through some fun facts though to put a nice bow on this thing Nice. I had some things written down here. That some cleanup duty. That we missed a number ONE GERRY MCNAMARA FROM SCRANTON. Did they hundred times in the in the broadcast but screen became famous later as we as we know the office. Do you think they pick scranton because the office started like? Oh five right before yet. I feel Fran because at Gerry McNamara height of Jerry Magpies career absolutely Larry. Where's this guy from Scranton Pennsylvania? Let's go how nickname house. Mcnamara's nickname not electric city. I have this written down. This is this is looking back on it. Scranton is the electric city. That feels. That feels like a Dick vitelle nickname for Gerry. Mcnamara. No like. I don't know big swinging Amiss by college basketball media back then another fun fact Nick Collison and drew good. Who a year before this took place. They won back to back in. Abc National Awards which is absolutely staggering. So in Otsu drew. Gooden wins the ABC National Player. The AUBERGE will and then an oath re when David West and TJ Ford splitting all the national players here. Nick Collison slips in there and Wednesday. In a beastie national player. So I don't know who is voting on ABC but that Guy Loves Kansas basketball. Say Large someone in Lawrence Kansas vote. He's like yeah. Love McConnell's the The other thing I was going to say Another fun fact. The only non Kirk Hinrich made three by Kansas in this game was Michael Lee. As soon as he checked in from the corner that he ended up getting blocked from So the only three that. Kansas wasn't Kirk was the Michael Lee. Michalik actually made a shot from that exact corner that it can more into block from. I found that kind of interesting What else here. Behind Gary Williams both Coach their Alma maters titles and back to back years and then two years later. Roy want his own runner. So that was interesting to me they. They brought that up in the broadcast back to back years back to back years. We love that. It's good to see I had a Kirk Hinrich. Last made field goal of his career was a two handed dunk when he leaked out ahead. They threw it up to him and he he went baseline I think that's pretty funny. He at the last few goaltenders airball three and last night one was a was a two done and then the only other thing I was going to say was zone. Defense was illegal Ba from nineteen forty seven into until two thousand two so syracuse won this title right after the NBA said zone defenses allowed in India for the first time in over fifty years and then Syracuse won the title in College Zone Defense. Oh I found that interesting as well. Oh One more thing Kansas was two hundred seventy seven. Free-throw percentage in two hundred nineteenth in three point field goal percentage on the season college basketball. So we probably should have saw that coming that they weren't GonNa make shots the free. Yeah the free throw situation was abysmal. It's Ozzy was shocking. You've been watching it seeing how bad it was like in Primetime Eh Yeah you mentioned his own defense. That's pretty much. What the whole if you were to look at the back channels of basketball like Jerry Colangelo. Usa Basketball something something happened there the NBA like zone? Defense needs to come back. We need defense in Jim Bay. I was the face of that. They put him out there. He made it happen. He delivered a graduation. Go on. You're still here. You're still kicking. You're still win. It still plans on still picking your nose on the bench. Love it anything else. What else are we gotta talk about? I think we hit it all right. Yeah they had it all. I WanNa do another TNT classic. I like it. We didn't National Championship game. I hope you didn't upset the Kansas fans. Obviously because they did not last game. Yeah we we did our best. We did our best. I I love doing these. These are so fun. I know that people don't necessarily love listening to them. That's a seems to be dominated as like it's it seems Pacific for just a fan base that one but I don't care if we don't we don't as Roy Williams said we don't give a flip with those people think we don't get a reader we we certainly do not give we enjoy doing on the. It's it's by far the most fun I have during the show. The regular fixed we deep dive into a start digging up stuff a Taking trips down memory lane. So hopefully guys -joyed But again if we don't give flip we'll be back on Monday with regularly scheduled programing talking about this. Wake forest higher talking about the all the happenings. The news notes of college basketball upper usual. So thanks for listening. -gratulations Syracuse Orange. You're still it's thousand three national champions on rewatch after watching it. We are still claiming. We are still deciding that you have won the two thousand three National Championship. Congratulations stay mellow.

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Hour 1: Kendrick Perkins

"Good morning everyone happy fourth of july and welcome to the first take i'm rachel lindsay sitting in today for molly care joining me at the table or former indiana players mr damon jones and mr ryan hollins how're you doing brian how how you doing i'm doing good road loss rage all right i don't wanna be left out we've got a fun show coming up today we've got a lot to get into so let's get it started yesterday the basketball world followed what appeared to be why caravan from a private jets to a hotel in toronto answered the question still remains what team why leonard place for this next season yesterday on get up jay leno road had this to say what i'm ninety nine percent harry is that kawai leonard will be returning to toronto in signing a two year contract just completed its eighth season that's gonna put him at ten ten years that puts them in position to get the largest available maximum deal for a player of his tenure okay so assuming that jalen rose is correct and damon john if co why chooses to pass half on the lakers would he be making a mistake it will be making a big mistake in his wife ryan you know when we come into this league become in this league to do two things right he had money in wins championships all right so if he signs with the lakers he maximize his opportunity to win championships for the rest of his career yes a lebron james their eighties there the bronze gonna be a going out to three years from now but you still have the top two players a in the top five still on that team lebron james is done in a while and anthony davis now you tell me if he joins toronto it'd be joined the clippers is he gonna join two guys in eighty who's averaging twenty four points and eleven rebounds in his career lebron james twenty seven point seven assists seven rebounds is that gonna happen no it is not the same tara guys but i don't think that's the concern when i'm thinking about quiet leonard hear me on that phase out the one thing about collide leonard he's a made man this guy was already a finals mvp he was born into the league and winning okay in san antonio he's been a part of that and in the big question now for a lot of guys to get championships can they get it on their own dave jones going just wash one of the most impressive performances ever ever only rival by michael jordan and lebron james and nbs playoffs and so looking at collide leonard a guy who doesn't run his mouth doesn't demand a lot he's already proven himself i'm not saying this man needs the retire right now there's nothing left for him to prove but even if he doesn't get a championship next year you don't look at why there's food left on the table there's something else that he needs to do basketball wise but just think about this if he goes back into wrong okay they will one shot away from losing to the philadelphia seventy six okay and if they lose that game okay we're not having this conversation okay he goes to the lakers you got the bron james you got anthony davis in who else you put around and everybody's saying they need a give free agents right i don't care who you you could sign meet again i don't have any more you understand so what i'm saying is you have to go where you could maximum i don't care if you want to championships already been finals mvp in two times can continue to win because at the end of the day once you're career is over with the legacy that you wanna leave is you were the greatest player in the league rated laser to organizations that are in shambles noted the lakers more salvino noted i look at toronto you still got pascal who saw jenna nobody should be credit or pascal see awesome power the saw lebron james is come on man what we i'm not comparing paying those two but you're acting like that's the shabby organization they won they came out of the east milwaukee essentially just about the same thing but of co why leonard is they're they're still favorites if you look at the clippers it's the best run organization in sports so right now there's nothing that superstar there they could make moves the bring somebody in but they put together a good young nucleus they have talent nari lou williams monitors herro will say what be plus maybe not the eight plus plus is lebron james and eighty or eighty minus eighteen wherever you wanna write them but those irby plus nb stars right on the cusp of being all star impossibly next year getting there so i i don't think he can go wrong it's this is the situation we call these what we call a rich people problem but listen i'm a i'm a sold out like this you said that they're on the cusp of being allstars yeah the guy with the clippers yeah you got pascal seok them a cow lowry they've had their all star line margot's all in the east are in toronto mhm you got two of the top five players in the league we're not talking about guys that own the cuts were talking about the guys that are at the top of the mountain here's my problem with pseudo you called it a mistake though you cannot call going to the raptors going through the clippers might i add which is home you know what it's like the crypto yeah you know when you get a chance to request an win you a lot of cigarettes were against what i think they could find wild thing that we do too i don't think he's worried about that but listen there's nothing like it there's nothing like it i'm no wild little bit before the first half of my envy you know career i was on the east coast and in when i had a chance to come home and play for the clippers there was nothing like it if you're kawai leonard you and our and a half away from the eight and a half away from san diego this man is he's a simple guy he's a he's a fun guy he would say some litter man yeah that's not a mistake do that's not a mistake pick and choose happiness there you can but at the end of the day if you wanna win in continue to win for the rest of your career it's not a situation if you go to toronto you might win next year you might win the year after that if you sign a short term bill if you go to the clippers you have to wait order now that's all you might win i'll prove it it's about bowing out year after year they put yourself in the best position to win so you're saying if he stays with toronto it would be a mistake you could honestly strong at all like that's all i'm saying that's how i think the courts stronger or if he returns to toronto is percentages of winning a championship next year goes way down because he got better better they got better philadelphia they got better yes they lost jimmy butler to tournament all the way down armand gonna be better milwaukee's gonna be better indiana has a better team like there's not going to be a cake walk through the eastern conference but if you get with those like hold on buddha it'd be a cakewalk this season i know it wasn't that way while they're alive trying to a championship team we don't know what the lakers are going to be you know lebron james and anthony davis when you put that purple and gold on in the eighties i mean yeah you're gonna tell you why leonard which i'm not okay if i'm who i know you know what i'm saying i'm joined the lakers war two games a year paul we hold on hold on to win i don't have a problem with that i have a problem what you're saying it's a mistake by going to the clippers who is not a mistake in saying once you once he will be the starter we've ever seen ever win a championship as a free agent in bottles that mean that's okay how's that so that's not the wreck is in a lot of there's not a degree i'm not mad him if he goes to the clippers but there's not a degree of hey we want less run it back boundless i'm okay with that if he does but i'm saying a mistake meaning that if he joins the lakers they went and i'm just say i don't care who they just about they lost one of the bron about they lost when kyrie about they lost stars move it's never been after winning so i wanna say it's not the worst thing in the world if he stays in toronto is not a mistake dolphin and let's just remember if you own a per one it's safe to say after what we saw last season no matter where why go so it's not a mistake wherever he goes anytime you hear what's going on people i'm only care of and you are listening to the first take podcast if you don't know numbers you don't know you're business folks but the problem growing businesses have that keeps them from knowing their numbers is a hodgepodge of business systems they have one system system for accounting another for sales another inventory and so on it's just a big inefficient mass taking up too much time in too many resources and that hurts you're bottom line introducing net suite by oracle the business management software that handles every aspect of your business in an easy to use cloud platform giving you the visibility and control you need to grow with net sweet you save time money and unneeded headaches by managing sales finance and accounting 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is one of the nicest guys of the world in in in in in you know he's got love k d k d knew that he would never be steph curry in golden state kevin the rat knew that the star treatment at steph we received indefinitely did not think that was reserve one of these other things it hasn't been talked about kevin durant did not have the greatest relationship with steve kerr he wasn't too fond steve kerr at all i don't know the particulars but i do know that okay the team was a teen kevin the rat is a part of the team when he was his own man very independent people don't know too much bottom you pretty i'm pretty much eisold himself now that was stephen a smith on yesterday's first take talking about kevin durant's departure from oklahoma city among other topic is in response to his zach lowe article on e s p n chronicling some of katie's reasons for leaving gold golden state including some of the pressure he felt following their first title win now let's welcome in former teammate of kevin durant at indy eight champion kendrick perkins kendrick how you doing doing more part rule when you're gonna roll down my little burger money you already know thank you so much for joining us on the shell were just gotta get right into it was cabins relationship ship life a stat perry steve kerr what for my understanding it was pretty good oh i thought they katie has the season will i don't i i i don't know i never early katie not liking humidity one of i think more so this is really the first time a me hand about the relationship for steve kerr steph curry oh i thought katie i thought they were gonna get tired well not all the best in terms i heard the zone it's a big per hey what's going on baby a male steve john l y looking so good down and nl aid david say one of their mind you know you say a kevin going the brooklyn 'em how do you think the relationship with him and kyrie is gonna be a both own accord in off the court i met you gotta be good i think they got a great relationship i think casey read it that's why i said i'm happy that he thought he went back to have his own team again but for the the fact that he's reading the believe he's ready he's he loves silly young guy oh he's ready to take that still moving forward to learn how to be a leader he's always been kevin the rat a hell of a basketball player but you have to have a different type of mindset to be a leader not they cover is gonna fall in place from what happened with him in boston 'em i state kyri is going forward place what happened in boston and how you finish that bus last day he learned the lesson when he you know one of his old saying when he first loves the braun to go with a new jersey when he left the cavaliers i mean so go to boston when he left cleveland so i think kyri is gonna fall in line they have no choice but you know they're close friend so i think it's gonna work out fine now park i i wanna die back into the kerr question because the one thing i remember from competing against you guys is there were times per you were always vocal leader the rest of the vocal leader in it it in moments you guys will be arguing on the court getting into it but you knew it was just holding your brothers accountable we grew up playing an environment where man i'm gonna speak my mind to you now let's move on let's make it happen from there when when he wants to show his emotions see what it's all chill out kevin it's a little too much kevin calmed down you don't see that as a possible divide where katie's the guy who who who takes a controversy in terms of the motivation of puts it on the floor and that's kind of how he grew up playing but in golden state steve kerr why is the logical more side outweigh could that possibly be divide there well yeah i think so because you know k dmz emotional guy and that's what you love about the he plays with emotion and that's that's my that's what makes kevin durant hey you know everyone chose go about handling things different ways and i think you know watched a couple of times a steve kerr did not you know he did not let katie he expresses y'all are being who he needs to be you right like back in the day it was a good thing we use the yelling and screaming hold each other accountable for different reasons that you know today the the league it's changed man like you know you don't have that anymore now it's a fine line between holding his teammates accountable in this being disrespectful but i think you know we will tell you he i think he's gonna be ready show the world once we get back from injury then man i'm i'm i'm a leader i i'm a mastermind of this game because i'll kevin the rat do is eat sleep and breathe basketball this guy's highly intelligent and i i think he's ready to show the world that he's ready to believe and like you say why everybody can't believe if i can't believe it you don't have to be the superstar the belief but this is katie is gone and he'll kyri in my opinion hendrick stephen i mentioned a dinner that took place in two thousand sixteen before katie decided to leave oklahoma city i want you all take a listen to this one of the things that has never been talked about what transpired water friction between ross existed it was it because kevin durant left it was high handled it according to what i have been to the other night both for kevin durant's looted the hamptons kevin durant's had dinner with russell westbrook nick collison i think were alive but i'm not sure literally look russell westbrook in the face and told him i'm not leaving i'm staying in then went to the hamptons and announced that he was going to golden state and when that happened he didn't pick up the phone thereafter call russell westbrook text never even call the person that might have been victimized most the person that might have been screwed over most is russell westbrook katie told russell westbrook bro bro i'm coming back and they're not only did not come but then again all and then what i got blamed for a guideline for two years now kevin contact stephen eight directly and denied what stephen i had to say so i'm just asking directly what kevin had to say about the way the oklahoma city now golden state oh man well stephen agents to mobilize on the first for this i had i mean you know i don't i don't get a chance to watch first say 'cause i'll try yesterday morning but stephen smith is due to a in the last i don't know i katie how to leave golden state i don't know if he's made the series follows calls he needs to make but i know that's how it went down for mileage standards also when you love okay see you know you went to but you know people change their mind so overnight he changed his mind or whatever the case may be but stephen a smith is right oh we'll russell westbrook you know a a pot of pilots you've just for the simple fact that he will he will he will ban cue for being the main reason why kevin rent the okay see and then never was the case in the first place i know katie dan houser rank away he should have flaws he should at least call russ insults so more or maybe flu where he was from the dead and there was like look brought changed my mind odell with the case would have been and i'm and i'm moving now but also katie then leave because the roads kt low because he said you know he basically he was tired of being treated and that's basically he's built in a oklahoma city so that's the real reason they katie he wants to go somewhere you wonder how far he was in that game anymore and that's the real reason that he left okay see okay i just wanna be in the words of stephen a smith i just wanna be very very clear here you're saying that what stephen smith said what's the truth he was telling the truth is the truth that's what happened yesterday he said i mean that's what happened where okay these off okay see where we ended up before you know he had a meeting with nick collison i mean had dealt with nick collison roy a bill russell was he told me wouldn't newly and then he changed his mind the next and i think that's what level of types of russell westbrook mouth the simple fact did he say don't they call it will just basically from my understanding it was just basically a sexist say i am reason broke it was nothing more nothing less and i think he's old roast morning in runs got criticized and everything for the move and there was his follow their and all this and we owe russ but that's not that you got a perk if you get a moment elaborate more owner oklahoma city situation so it seems like it would clearly more about the organization and then about russell westbrook so it it is it the way they kind of trading james and didn't say anything about it all the way they felt like he couldn't bring himself what what would you put it down to is if it's not russ cleared well well well when i say then you gotta understand that southwest is a is a is a is a good gm bust out press doors raise under the san antonio spurs he's raised on gregg popovich so rc buford so gotta know san antonio they always been a class a class act fours in nb eight teams look the studio how they ran how they run their organization and that's the same way that okay see who's man knows nothing bad about okay see but okay see did run organization a certain type of way a player wasn't go of control control the organization a player was gonna make too many decisions organization and as i say i pressed to render an would end up happening is is that what ended up happening is day shady once you've seen him up once you once you love okay see and got the golden state we start saying okay he is speaking his mind now katie is doing this now katy bill hasn't been wanting to do this all the mall it's just the fact that you know i wanna say his control but i it was the voted the way okay see is this really controlled and they wanna watch everything that you do own you know because i'm not saying katie is one of the goals were kendrick perkins thank you so much for joining us on the show infra keeping it real and being honest with that i feel like next time we have you on the show i'm gonna be able to call you big part to swallow you got you got me there were no no it's fourth of july so there is no better time for grilled session brought to you by kingsford now when anthony davis declined his four million dollar signing bonus after signing with the lakers he sent the message that a championship ring is more important to him than the money and of course they're making a push to find the big free agent prize of collide leonard so ryan without collide leonard how long is the bronze championship now you got one year they don't we had the means and i thought it might be too he's got one years in the reason i say it's because the key word was what a lebron james lebron james championship that anthony davis not why leonard not somebody else's lebron james is thirty four years old he just missed the most games he's ever missed his in his career and we play well they play in the day and age that it's not the michael jordan is not the kobe here the pace that the envy he's played at his in the one twenties now take a second look across the league k d is down over in brooklyn the splash brothers one of the splash brothers answered pianist still young ben simmons ain't got no jump shot there is no greater window or time before lebron james the get a championship and keep in mind i'm not talking about why i'm not talking about somebody else dragging him the one one shift in what i'm saying is lebron james dragging him to a championship pick somebody younger thank you know you're talking about dragging him to a championship dizzy not get older as he not go i'm gonna tell you this talk the brawn james window winning championships till he would tax okay in the reason why he puts so much emphasis on his training in the summers doing the season it's not just you know i'm a workout lip all these weights in the summertime and then when the season comes we got a three games at five nights of a four game six nights whatever i'm not gonna do anything he's always past maintenance mike mansfield his train has been with him since day one okay the broad put so much emphasis training eating right being prepared every single year to win championships that's his only mindset going into this year oh we gotta win it's about winning it all it's not just showing up in now we got eighty we're gonna get to the playoffs and now we break the streak of a the lakers not being in the playoffs a six years in a row i'm not here for that i'm hit a winning all in winning at the highest level so every year he steps out there the night of the window and see gwen championship you telling me that the mind body are are two different things that they know what mindset is not gonna win his body is only gonna be able to take so much pounding at c n b let me let me ask you this question okay last year he got hurt he missed eighteen games he only played fifty five games when did he averaged twenty eight nate okay in his sixteenth season okay so don't give me all that borrowing barring injury every here that he steps out there if puts a uniform oh him and and his team have a chance to win a championship so the window is open until he retired hold on you even thought that last year before he was injured he thought that he had the chance to win a championship with the team he had last season yeah because there's a play within coach mhm an we were in a lot of situations where we didn't have the best team but once we got to the playoffs all my dog the light turns zoning things happened two years ago his last year in cleveland we probably should've lost to the indiana pacers in the first round but he put on a masterful performance in game seven got us through that series window sweeping a your toronto raptors around and then listen this we get into the conference finals against the boston celtics young team no kyrie no no born hey what it has done something now what you mean one of the two years from now i'm talking the broad james this year the year before before that two years from now that window companies while still at that same level you not hear what may just say katie not only by klay thompson i don't care if somebody i don't shoot threes i don't care if he comes back entire reason it doesn't matter to me you have two of the top five players in the league in anthony davis ron james who's gonna be leading a championship and not just one of the pieces 'cause there's no he's not gonna be the same god the father father thomas these old you know how to make you feel let me let me let me tell you before we get off the subject in its thirteenth season yeah but it's twenty five seventy seven in the regular season in the playoffs twenty six eight and ten he played ninety seven games fourteen season twenty six ninety nine in the regular season a thirty three eight nine layoff ninety two games you know what i'm saying let me finish near fifteen twenty eight nine in that in the regular season thirty four ninety nine in the playoffs he played a hundred gained lebron james himself has been telling people i can't move the same same i don't feel this saying he's china trick you know you're right now next year the year after killing until he says hey i'm done i'm watching a little ronnie you his window even though there will be playing the same minutes he's gonna have the exact same low because i'm not saying here not getting another championship and they put pieces around him but i'm talking about brownlow we're talking about it's not gonna be the same brother i'm sorry the next couple of championships he went 'cause he's gonna win more ain't nobody gonna drag into the championship know who's gonna be learned welcome back to the first take on rachel lindsay what former r n v eight players ryan hollins end damon jones and we've been going at it back and forth all morning now let's keep the arguments going one side of the building darted and i would i don't want to that's where we are as you say before the next topic several teams have added major star power with the moves they made since sunday as it stands now without a wise decision damon who is the best team the west today no i just gave all these things about the loss angeles like of course in pakistan how i feel that they're gonna win a championship next year right but the question is best team and they only have four players right now i don't know how they're gonna feel their rocks out the best team for me in the west right now is the utah jazz okay i am the utah ask for years have been on the cusp of taking that next step in now i think a what they've done in free agency as well this trade is gonna take them over the hump mike conley okay i start with him he was always the leader of the britain grind memphis grizzlies okay and they will always at the top of the art i think utah needed that leader donovan mitchell who's gonna get better a lot donald vich is the guy the for me because in the playoffs against the houston rockets a they went times where they weren't able to score and bogdonovich is a guy that could catch and shoot he could go and get his own office and i think that's gonna help take pressure donovan mitchell in defensively they're gonna be great you guys go bear raining a two time defensive player of the year and then they got some guys key pieces on the bench i see this team going nine deep so for me right now the best team in the west is utah jazz damon dan jones ron if you don't mind you simply tell me about lebron seventies it's cool it's cool new little girl so who were worried about the entire team or the core pieces and keep in mind all of this is just saying that we don't know where kawai leonard is going we don't know why it's gonna be on west we don't know if he's gonna be on the east that doesn't that core pieces the lakers have the best call right now and when you're afraid of hurts when you have the best pieces in space end cap room they're gonna be able to fill in the rest of the team and when you talk about winning a championship ship you're not you're comparing go bear calmly in mitchell against lebron eighty coups ma impossibly kawai litters there's no there's no competition here i don't know how you look at me with a straight face in utah utah bell ryan watching us without cry i professed hey even works out why they got more players on the roster so that's not a team it says the questions said as of today who's the best team in the west utah from top to bottom have a team lewis who would you take in a seven game series who is for you how do you go from summer league roster right now no doubt watching somebody robert they're not that good they came back and won a little show is put in place don't matter listen nonetheless the lakers core let's focus on chorus right now is built versatility the bronze eighty coups more right now you fill in the blanks you got guys from six eight six nine who can shoot the three drive it posted in guard all five positions the biggest problem we're gonna talk about utah utah wasn't versus how enough their stars don't fit gold bearing favors they had the pick them poisoner who's gonna be on the floor that saint might not even better be better the houston i don't know if they're better than golden state right now one klay thompson gives back they may not be starter for its best in the west so if you're gonna talk about who's gonna come out to west or the favorites right now you gotta look at yes the lakers three or four players at what they're going to fill in right now is going to be better keep in mind if you're the lakers you're famous forget what korver he e j are all listen all these free agents are gonna still be willing to take less to get you all this championship in a lay all i'm saying to you is this you're you're you know ron and i listened taken away from you know do you see a face okay with just fine organization but to think clearly taste team today the lakers have four players i can't i don't know what's going on amazon philip robber woods is a man of god man you're talking fill out that wrong okay but ethic mass today that's the question so which we talked a bit about the west move on over to the east ryan yeah who is who is you're pick for the best team in the east hebrew mar kawai leonard why why why are they gonna do you know who i like i like milwaukee though i like the milwaukee bucks shot that photo i don't have anything personally on a sort of milwaukee new album scotland you gotta understand this is a team that's heavily motivated in when you have a tough loss when you feel like you have unfinished business journal's we know what the summers looked like as players you work a little harder a train longer you got something in the back their mind is still a motivating you know obviously they lost malcolm brogdon excellent player great guy key piece but this was a good team even without malcolm and now you bring back middleton lopez in bledsoe so if i'm looking at eight eastern conference sprint spanning i really like milwaukee's in one thing i love about them slip by this this is a guy who year after year improved rebounds assists block shots points every single year this kid has been in the league he's improved and we were gonna look down the east boston got worse no kyrie indiana regular team victor's injured toronto we don't know why don't be they're not big dog so milwaukee clearly coming out the east if no co wide open in the same bed in man listen this is the debate show he's trying to accommodate session the best team in the east right now ooh philadelphia seventy six and you talk about devastation the seventy sixers was a fade away three point shot back why leonard from getting to the eastern conference finals where they felt they had a a great match up against the milwaukee bucks in that series the move onto the mb finals this is what's gonna happen joel embiid now you understand after being the best shape of his career next year so he's not in and out of the lineup ben simmons is gonna get better okay now tobias harris tobias harris is now gonna have a more defined road at jimmy butler is gone yet jimmy butler was a big piece but now tobias harris is gonna be more assertive in that office and do the things that he did with view a loss angeles clippers now the key piece to this that nobody's looking at nobody's saying josh richardson he's an upgrade at the two guard position here's why i'm right over listen i'm right or they'll say oh it's way over whole this jj redick is a better three point shooter that they came off the bench jj ready they came off the bench last year he was six mad jj redick is a better three point point you but josh richardson does everything offensively he could run pick and roll picking makes five shots defensively he could guard the best player ones or twos sofa that scenario right there philadelphia is my team in the forefront offer to god oh man so last year philadelphia closed out for them when they need a big shot to host jimmy butler so this next year when you get into the playoffs will be great in the regular season who closes games out these old you got embiid we close games that will centers and i played the five recalled that when you can when you dominant joel embiid is he could get a bucket or get to the free throw line and that was one of the modern adam written round last year that he didn't put him in position to dominate like he should have in that ronald you think sun's gonna chase it as much as it is literally i played the five in the league and i love my big fellows but if you cannot get your shot off about you're not going to be effective the deeper that the playoffs go that's the problem when you're honest that's a huge problem britain fitness all of a sudden we put the ball and been seventeen single he hasn't improved from last year so you making my point right now you're saying so who's gonna close when they walk in with a worst case

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Hour 1: Who, What , Where, When, KAWHI

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Hour 1: Who, What , Where, When, KAWHI

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brought to you by straight talk wireless let's get into a lot of things a lot of things that would be nice to get into that i think it's necessarily get it through the day number one wide let it where's he is co why let it go in the end up here is he answer are you ready are waiting for me to tell you where code linen is going to end up his answer i don't have the slightest mit oh no oh no one's he saying the toronto i don't know what he's going to the clippers i dunno when he's going to anybody who tells you that they know definitively is a damn liar maybe is warming maybe as mama maybe his uncle maybe somebody like that but i'm gonna tell you search high low left right right up there don't matter nobody knows what the hell collide leonard is going nobody i could tell you why i don't think he is going i don't think he's going to the new york knicks and by the way the new yorkers everywhere steve steve mills scott perry's david phys dale the world and others even james dolan now there's a couple of days have subsided and my misery has some kid and my heart is eight for the last forty eight hours i must tell you i'm gonna keep my head up and go look ahead i'm gonna acknowledged the fact that the new york knicks so still a better team than they were sunday we're moving forward direction the level of prudence either they exercise it's not something that should be condemned but i still stand by what i stated to more key superstars and the game of basketball kevin the rat carrier but shows brooklyn over broadway we don't know anybody in the history of any profession in the united states of america that is chosen brooklyn over broadway until now they chose brooklyn overall way and we can elaborated pontificate about the reasons as to why that may have been the case but the reality is very very very simple brooklyn which shows it over broadway and as a result i love new york basketball will be aimed squarely in the direction of the barclay center off atlantic avenue at least for this upcoming season in all likelihood for years to come that is the reality that adidas capable fact and as a result we look at the new york knicks and we're going to limit what they know that nobody's saying they're not moving in for direction what we're saying is at madison square garden the world's most famous arena is devoid of a star door basketball teams the stars is gonna be playing somewhere else that's point number one we'll get to that a little bit later point number two back took awhile and it it seems as if the lakers may have upperhand but we're hearing that's not the case nobody knows i can tell you this and i've said this two days ago i'll say it again i don't know whether it's true or not i have no idea i don't know why he doesn't really really talk never rule would always gentleman but i gotta tell you that if you talk to the los angeles clippers they don't believe for one second that could while limit will be lost to them in favor of the loss angeles like they believe kawai leonard is coming to them or he saying it toronto and somehow some way you gotta ask yourself as basketball fans basketball love you gotta ask self this question is very very important you gotta ask yourself this question if you are eight to basketball fan do you want kawai leonard in the los angeles lakers uniform playing alongside lebron james and anthony davis for the next three years or do you want kawai leonard plan for the clippers competing with lebron anthony davis for the next several years in elway see if you look at it from a ratings perspective it's not great for basketball during the regular season because you got stars on the west coast in the western conference an obviously you're ratings are gonna be compromised because if you don't have those preeminence stars in east those seven thirty games in east on the east coast are not gonna generate the level of interest if you would like an those laker games gonna be starting at ten or ten thirty most people don't be the bad by halftime if that earlier and some of those games gonna get missed that's why such a big deal to some degree that kyrie chose brooklyn hey kevin ranchos brooklyn but for me it's not even about that for me it's about kawai leonard is a superstar he's one of the top five players in basketball and have three of the top five players all one team to me is unfair which brings me the kevin durant because the one thing i i gotta put some stuff out there and i got i got clarify stuff wants to fall i truly do i gotta do this john i lose my guest today chris haines but yahoo sports coming on at two o'clock at some point in time john when i have time i gotta give by mayor bill simmons on the on the la you know contrary to what some of you idiots out there believe i happen to love bill simmons that's my buddy great guys as far as i'm concerned knows this business successful bestselling author can't say enough about the other things that he's done in his career including thirty four thirty dammit he knows his basketball only thing i like about bill simmons is the boston celtics fan other than that the brothers cool with me and he's welcome to my show any day of the week and i will have him on in a little while but i got some stuff to get off my chest because it's important you see when we talk about i'm getting tired of the narrative and by the way bill simmons has his own relationship with kevin randomly spoken to many occasions so it's apropos did i bring this up kevin the rat in the news again and someone says because of me i would say it's just because of the wrong reasons but it may not necessarily be his fault let me explain people have this misnomer about kevin the rat because years ago i his move the weakest move i've ever seen nba superstar that doesn't mean i think he's a week man a weak person or anything like that i'm saying that i'm a basketball lover and i love seeing great go up against greatness at finding out who truly is the best says oppose the people joining gains in when kevin durant went to golden state three years ago a seventy three in nineteen that they were when they lost in the finals the cleveland i thought it was unfair but as far as i'm concerned my point was proven because kevin durant was so great so when steph curry in the rest of the crew nobody had a chance i mean my god even bill simmons would african see lebron james beat the boston celtics in the conference finals before he played kevin durant's golden state in that first mb finals go back john if you can find doris burke interview with lebron james immediately after they beat the boston celtics in the conference finals okay and what happened you know what happened lebron james gave a concession speech listen to the speech writer you looking for going up against the golden state warriors and kevin durant and steph curry oh you want take about that right now i'm just i'm just trying to enjoy this moment and i i don't even wanna take about that right there could be no he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell would back crew they had and golden state that depress me you got no shot got no chance of beating them boys short enough that was the case what i'm thinking about the possibility of why ended up in the los angeles lakers useful although i love their leg and i definitely love the staple center in the end when the lakers are special basketball is just special i still wanna see some competition and the reason why stop bringing up the fact that i call it a week move because i hated the fact that people trying to interpret that as me saying kevin the rat was a week or kevin the raccoon ball no i would say it's a testament to his greatness he's so great it makes the competition unfair that's my issue and i'm thinking go why joined the braun in eighty it would be the same so now we get into k d joining kyri in brooklyn as opposed to save potentially a hawaiian k deal get up and it led me down a path to where there's various things that i needed to touch you know i was reminded i've been told this months ago i was reminded that allegedly what happened was is that both for k d flew the hamptons and met with the hamptons for equal dollar steph curry klay thompson draymond green he had met with russell westbrook i believe it was nick collison the royal avi as well and basically indicated he was coming back to the hamptons changed is mine did text ross instead of calling ross k d in fairness to him 'cause i haven't spoken to him about this until after i said what i said he's statically denied it called the report be yes let's make sure i'm playing katie did not have said it would be yes he didn't get any specifics but he didn't agree what what i reported fine on that somebody's lying or no actually several people lying on but that's neither here nor there now someone asks why would i bring that up years later because k d certainly ask that question here is my response because now that katie is going the brooklyn actually put people out there that were on the verge of trauma lie and circulated later reported he promised the golden state warriors anyone's gonna stay and then decided the brooklyn he did no such thing i don't need katie deny that one i did not have for him because the numerous people i spoke to in fat radically stayed within the warriors organization never once did he promised them he was staying and then left he never did that he never did that but what if there was talk to different stories that provokes conversation about katie why did he go to brooklyn is he not concerned that he's looking like he's following kyri aunt not only that wall were what was really the problem in golden state just like people asking what was really the problem in okay see because at this particular the moment of tom understand and i hope katie is listening to this hey by wanna know about you now because universally recognized as the greatest basketball one of the greatest displays in the world katie right now the anybody that has since is the top three player on the planet earth he's laid up in bed somewhere probably recover from his achilles tear and i'm telling you right now on one leg katie is better than half the league thank god help you if he just gets back the seventy five eighty percent spady kevin ran a seventy five eighty percent well average twentythree a game minimum he's that good he's that gift here it'd be i'm gonna i'm gonna show you must also because some of you out there don't believe this even that got us the side yard just thinking about me with the kid 'cause you know stevie let the kids he sure does you assume because of that i don't have a suicide when it comes to adult i actually do it katie's one of those people see i'm blessed to be in this position today i don't have the talk to anybody talk about this is the truth but i go out of my way to make sure people have access to me and i do everything that i can have access to them because i don't like talking about people that i talked to which is why when k d reached out to me this morning tacoma rick port ps i feel obligated to tell you that's what he said he's not he did not specifically because last meeting did you say it only thing that he says i never sat up there until russell westbrook to his face it out what that did our common ended in income but last a whole bunch of questions it's telling you come back then come back relationship with steve kerr i heard that wasn't that great steph curry released you could have been better golden state you feel like you being taken for granted didn't get any any specific veto on top of that but he did feel the need comment about the rest of the russell westbrook stuff why because i want it to make sure that clear about something here i don't know how the rest of y'all feel and i really don't have any reason to feel bad because our to russell westbrook's defense from day one because i thought it left him hanging some degree meaning holding the bag like he the reason kevin around left when in fact okay see in san presi in those boys had more to do with that but when you think about russell westbrook how a survey couch truculent how cantankerous he could be from time to time would the media would fans would anybody you wonder where this comes from laser gentleman is it possible that at this particular moment of time all of us all russell westbrook apology is it possible kevin durant leaves the what do we do he's the reason russell westbrook leaving reason he left i kind of feel bad about well russell westbrook has been exposed not say all that to say being fed russell westbrook doesn't mean you're character assassinating kevin durant kevin the rat may very well a change his mind very well the only thing kevin the rat may have done wrong in this entire question dating back years when he departed from okay see maybe only thing he may have done wrong is changing his mind in choosing the use of tax as opposed to call in going back to see the brother face to face the man the man that europe in his teammates eight years maybe that's the only thing he has done wrong now kevin the rats where somebody else's you might consider that character assassination i don't i consider that an honest mistake on on a lapse in judgment that's being highlighted but it's nothing sit up there and engaging condemnation about it's just that simple uk be anybody close the k d k you're sitting there saying stephen hey this character assassination shut the hell up listen i'm gonna say it again i love kevin durant just the way he is i like the fact that some people assume he's got rabbit is i liked the fact some people believe that he's a bit too sensitive to the things that people say do know why because i have never seen kevin the rat have been added to go the hell off speak out and then fail a drop forty that's why he's a basketball player he had a damn politician he's not a media pundits visibility take you know judas thoughts and feelings of the professional variety where you need to hold him accountable now pronoun in bourbon adverbs you could find he's a basketball player in this do when he has added to whom rock your world on the basketball court kevin durant you know who i am you'll know why am you damn right we do he's great eight he's that great by the way not a bad guy at all he might have disagreements ritual whatever speaks about how we might even see what he's got me out a a couple of times duma dave chapelle i gotcha endemic guess what suck tony right because i have a new this is breaking news this is very very important this breaking news i'm about the breakdown y'all i can't believe about the seat is did you know i am not always right there are times dare i say that i may have been wrong hey kevin around is one of those people that do not hesitate to check you if he believes they're all you know me if i don't believe i'm wrong i read it i'm holding my but disrespect but there's more that comes to this you see you got kevin you got the wrong and you got all of these do and they wanna they'll they'll talk to you about truth and they'll talk to you about making sure that you've got to story right order all over the case may be but they wanna speak when they believe people have got something wrong but when they have an opportunity beforehand to make sure that the wreckage straight you gotta pbs fordham can't find though because somewhere along the way somebody told him in accessibility ultimately dictates headlines somebody told him wrong kevin ran is now going to brooklyn the belief by song is that he's following kyri instead of it being the other way around there scratching their head as to why that is because kyrie is phenomenal as he is hey k d so why wasn't it the other way around my personal opinion and it's just an opinion i don't notice is true or not i believe k d's injury ultimately is what led him looking and i'm not accusing them of following you might have been going to brooklyn all along but i think it's contributed to him looking like he's following in here's why because by getting hurt and having to take practically a year at least to recover k b finds himself in a situation whereby kyri going to brooklyn which is still in new york which has rock nation has your mac twins between live nation and the nets has marks an acting sending those boards and you already are a playoff team by being injured but having kyri there you buy your self year where kyri could go there put on a show and set the stage for your return but if you had going to new york everybody will be clamoring for west katie katie ready one is he coming back how soon is he gonna come back doesn't need the comeback it shouldn't take this damn long give back on the court blah blah blah blah blah and there would have been exponentially more pressure on him to give back to the court sooner which would have made counterproductive to his rebirth his rehabilitation not not to mention the fact that kyrie who is unquestionably his own man want it to go to brooklyn might have been will undergo the book this is what i think is transpired in unfold this is why i think the question is exist about katie air right wrong fair unfair this is what you're gonna have to deal with you know why k d because you're katie great great disney attention little bit of constellation of sauce i'm in the media but i'm pretty damn great at what i do so i guess what i'm gonna be in the oddest don't have folks going to attack me to my suggestion to you grab a bag jesus you know go barbecue in the backyard osa sheila am remember this cat williams said it best if you got fifteen folks hate knowing you should be mad at eight sixty celebrate no sweat comes with the territory withdrew greatness it at eight say espn it's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six hours straight talk wireless everything for less only only at walmart will give back to the phone calls and everything else 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stephen hey what's up everybody all their god bless thank you katie i think you wanna brief flavor profile i agree i think we're all five am i made a good choice bona put some make a good life legacy for self mhm nothing you're gonna do great well god bless what's should definition of great great what is your definition when you say he's going to do great what is your definition of break i think he's gonna i think what better way to say you're not the not the championship it's all coming to town center did you just call up on this show on this show an i concede the greatness park that's easy you just finished telling me that kevin durant is gonna do great in new york look in brooklyn and i said what should definition of great you said he's gonna take them to the playoffs that that's all you got up they go further than that would that be specific that are they they're going to the finals and they're gonna wanna championship katie care i did i did ask you they could i could do i could grow it afro do i have one no i'm asking you do you think he's gonna win a championship championship with the brooklyn nets truthfully are well thank you very much have a nice day as we call it doesn't go up and this year you gotta be more forceful you gotta have motor say media that that that that was just a week oh i need more in the morning and then the stephen a we can't just have these kind of calls max you lava stephen what's up hey steven i am you know i think you're being a little suspicious about you being able to grow afro i dunno back when i i would think it would be this is the club for men something like that but i do know from oh i pay that much but i might i might have a half row in a couple of months they to go ahead okay i i love the show i found you made you might have made a mistake last week when you said you couldn't remember a player that say that essentially turned down eighty extra million dollars like why might have to go away i said to moses making into mosa turn eight million dollars yes say that tonio toronto toronto if he leaves toronto the come l a's he would have cost himself eighty million dollars i don't recall nobody will pass that amount of money do you do to make dirt levinsky even did not sign to max contract he could have he could have made about two hundred million more dollars okay okay okay i don't know if that's the number but i'll tell you that that's fair i guess here's what i was looking at he loves dallas wanna stay as a part of the organization never want it to go anywhere embar taking less he tried to help them facilitate building a better team so they could win i think that's the ultimate indictment actually against the dallas mavericks meany mark mark cuban okay here's the reason why we're dirt consistently taking less and sacrificing the bottom line in order to help the team build a squat what have they done since they won the title not enough or maybe not that exactly that's my point there with a master minute we all thought both bond today okay i like boba her more of the matter is gonna join the you later i don't know why it's quite possible between between all luca donncha take between kristaps porzingis and now bo bon i do i i mean damn did that that that is a good point it it is a good point good point police say the man thank you eric you lava stephen what's up steve and it's a pleasure to talk to you this morning and i just want to go back to what you were talking about earlier about a hawaiian joining the lakers don't you a like the c a m joined the clippers maybe in see the guys play against each other okay well a i just wanna go back to remind you about a time when the lakers put together another star studded team even though a couple other styles willow older shack koby a car malone it really way you going that's where you going really no i wouldn't i would that be an analogy why well because don't forget that they did go to the championship but they lost to a team you'll fall listen i see what you say you talk about when they lost in detroit exactly listen what i'm telling you is this karl malone wasn't com alone in the morning gary payton certainly wasn't gary payton anymore well older you know i know they were little they they they want an impromptu their career that's all i'm trying to say okay okay i got i got you know about it in that you couldn't compete at how the hell you don't even bring that apparently not do you think why being twenty seven i i'm i'm not comparing i'm not really trying to compare i'm just trying to say that that that's why they play the game even though you might have a super team don't don't that don't necessarily mean that you're gonna win that's why they play the game downhill so in other words in other words you held on online to get on the phone or the national airwaves to tell me that's why you play the game that's the best you could do just just to remind you because i know you know that that's the best you could do to remind miami dade called up to be on hold to remind me that they still gotta play the games wow that's the best i got today happy for the dollars that's not good enough for me it's not good enough for me to do better than that have a good day though enjoying the fourth of the la the only too many hotdogs and broke his buddies now james you lava stephen what's up steve remains a pleasure to talk to you thank you my my question is i keep hearing you talk about how the rams went to golden state hours a week move was but he might look while with both of the bronx with the miami heat wave was his last week oh yeah no it wasn't weaker it was week but it wasn't weaker here's why the miami heat will forty seven and thirty five year before bounce out in the first round they want seventy three and on an all time regular season winning the team who reigning defending champions before going that seventy three nazis d way chris bosh and lebron james had never played together new ahead erik spoelstra ever coached anybody other than de way am pat riley still had a team the bill kevin the rat went to a ready made franchise who all they did was add him they kept trademark they kept clay they clap staff they kept equal dollar they kept shaun livingston so the point is they were ready made in a multitude of ways and they were a well oiled machine a matter of fact if steph curry had been his health hadn't been compromised in that final series before kevin ran arrived golden state would have won the title they beat cleveland his dream on green if they hadn't given lebron james that stimulus attracted by suspending dream on green for game five would that bogus flagrant foul call abdullah brought to into the corner game for supposedly picked up his leg if that hadn't happened golden state would oppose the mountain five so i'm saying you that's the team that kevin durant joined that is not the miami heat team that lebron joint that's the difference is low ball and joined the team for ring he wanted the astronaut point and that's not the point i just broke it down to you what would the difference between the two i didn't say it was the greatest move in the world i broke down you the difference between the two i gave you facts that undisputed period drama knicks fan on his shoulder but i'm a knicks fan i've been watching for years but i'm just saying like if dues is joining see like lebron is like like the way he did it was like a like he joined the team for the ring and he made it almost like popular stalls the joined up with other stalls just a good thing wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute i get where you're see what you're saying is you're not comparing the moles you're saying lebron james should be held more accountable for instigating the trend that's what you're saying okay okay and florida i slowed edit eight say espn it's edited seven to nine three seven seven six three straight days all right i'll give you that he definitely instigate in all of that that's 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you hey go where he'll he was not allowed on saturday right there don't call up my show with that nonsense nobody's saying he can't go where he wants to go nobody say he doesn't have a right to stop being awards where do you want him in the gulf that's all we're talking about here where do you want to see why playing next elway i wanna die hard liquor okay okay okay okay come to the lakers so you wonder what the lakers then say you wanna with the lakers yeah everybody knows he could do what he wants to do nobody can stop him if he wants to go to the lakers we all know that why waste energy saying that what you're saying you're saying i'm saying he will be week to join lebron

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What sport man, you laugh hardness? He's weekend. It is a segment we go. What made you laugh this weekend? Was it? One of my Whittier observations, Mike how many Jason Garrod jokes? Did I just undercut in the weekend up survey shins that will be here? Ten minutes from that. Not that many. I thought he was just when I first read Jason Garrett. I thought it was just always gonna come back to Jerry Jones face, but he he had some self-discipline. That's the way. No, Jerry Jones ratio. Chris what was the funniest thing from the sports weekend? The very large on Mariano vich inexplicably holding a softball and the clippers bench softball so small looks those small in his hands. I'd like to know if you can look this up for me, please the actual size of bobbins ears because I believe he's got a small forward on the side of his head gear. Mo what is the funniest thing from the sports weekend? Jason wouldn't breaking the Pro Bowl trophy when he was trying to give the F C. Jason. Roy. What was the funniest thing from the sports get Gregg Popovich called a timeout. Sixteen seconds into his game versus the wizards acts y and gave this answer. Sixty seconds to. Yes. There was. Happy birthday to the KOMO generally Gregg Popovich, who I'm sorry that I made you all said by talking about him. Mike, what's the funniest thing from the sports weekend? Like, this is a little bit sophomoric. But I found out Hugh freeze is now coaching again. He's at liberty university in the offered a full ride to a quarterback named general booty. Really? Yeah. Of the famous booty family, Josh, Josh Bhutia. So apparently someone thought it was a good idea in that family with the last name of booty to give some poorer son the first name of general. So there is a quarterback that's going to be playing at some point for Hugh freeze whose name is general Budi. Can you look up for Macy? If anywhere in our library of crud. In one of the back-back storage rooms, you find an interview we did with Josh booty about his name about fifteen years ago, and how old is general Budi general booties college age, he just got this scholarship, by the way, next week on south each sessions, you'll be joined by general Budi Luther Campbell? On the find out the year size here Bobin. Yeah. I have a he wears a size twenty shoe his hands or fourteen inches. Nothing on his ears though. What can you give us on funniest thing from the sports weekend? Dan. There was a ten year old boy who had liked to have on this show. He lives in Kentucky won a science fair by proving that Tom Brady is a cheater Alison get him before the end of the show today plays find find the ten year old boy and Kentucky who wanna science fair by proving Tom Brady that will begin our Super Bowl coverage. That will be our first best. I want this ten year old boy from Kentucky probably in class right now. Pull them out show him show him what's important in the world. It's sports radio. I I'm going off the board here. Not in sports. Just the video. I saw this weekend of neighbors fighting by throwing two by fours at each other. It was amazing. The wife or girlfriend got involved, and they were just throwing back and forth. Over a fence, the launching items were just pieces of wood. You heard me. It was one of the strangest fights you will ever see. And it just reminds me of my entire relationship with you. Lopping pieces of wood looking over a fence seeing that you're incapacitated. Throwing would at you throwing it poorly. You picking it up then looking over the fence. And throwing it back at me and hitting me in the chest. Sorry. So wait a minute. Mike, Devin mccourty is wondering whether we are indeed still here Tom Brady, I've sound here that we played for you of Tom Brady chanting, the world's worst chant. If not for the bell chant of no days off, you heard the Tom Brady chant earlier. The patriots are feeling disrespected it's ridiculous. And Tom Brady's chant went like this. That's not on here down Lanta. Still. Still the worst really bad. It's really bad. Stugatz is weekend. I'm summations are going to be in about five minutes. But does Devin mccourty agree with Tom Brady on we're still here? I just want to make sure you understand. We're still here. Still. Here. They're terrible at this. They've had so much practice with the pep rallies of them accordions and upgrade to Brady just in terms of delivering getting people excited about it. I mean at trying as there was an energy level there. None of a match Bill Bella checks, though. As bad as the chant is, Mike. Also, the tepid -ness of the compliment they came to work every day. Like, it's literally the bare minimum for their paychecks. It's the only way to get paid. Also, Josh Gordon's not there, right? Trotting for some. I was that. But dominating the sports at three thousand one who got its comes to work every day. It doesn't mean anything I come here, man. And that's it Stu gods is we can up survey. Shins our next gyco presents unhelpful home improvement how to a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills. So today, I'll show you how to cook a serious fall by filling your bathroom without of plastic balls. Just nail a piece of plywood across the doorway and dump in two thousand multicolored plastic balls, you could try to protect yourself with a bathroom full of plastic balls or you could get liability coverage through the Geico insurance agency. Visit Geico dot com and see how a forcible renter's insurance can be card that ranks up there as the most humbling moment in my life. Go God that getting drunk on white wine on a date one time that I pooped in a bargain. Wait a minute that whole lout. Last week VC's live at our show with this to God's own ESPN radio. Happy forty third birthday to Miami's own Rick role birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck. Time now for stugatz is weekend. Observations. It is time for us to to share his game notes. No, one in the media will tell you what happened. But at the my voice to wake observations brought to you by vivid seats with the vivid seats up it's easy to find awesome seats to any game. Download the app and enter promo code Shams at checkout to get ten percent off your first order. Meaningless predictions radio row. A healthy dose of Tedy Bruschi and celebrities pushing ridiculous products Super Bowl week is here. The Super Bowl. Otherwise, no does on shorted waters for Tony Romo. Kevin Durant is attending Nick collison jersey retirement over Russell Westbrook's dead body, which incidentally, I don't think we'll ever die, by the way, K D. Your number should have been the first number retired in that building. But you couldn't close out the warriors up three one. So rather than beat them? Join them and now your jersey hang somewhere along the easy path. What happened there man, not sure if you're paying attention, but after down season in which I'm still trying to make some sense out of Vince Vaughn, true detective is back Seth Rollins rock Leser wrestlemainia collision course after last year's a love fest over Brad Stevens. Does anyone plan on ripping him for what an? Awful job. He's done this season. Let me be the first read hers. Great as you're last year you've been equally as awful this year. You are two and a half games better than the nets. That's right. You are two and a half games better than Kenny Atkinson at Celtic players do me a favor enough with the we have too much talent thing that you're excuse. We're not playing up to expectations because we're too talented. Please bigger it out. Kenny Acton is winning with road down Qurqus and had Davis. That's his name Redon's Qurqus and Davis, Anthony Davis. Brooklyn nets. Collision course, the NFL not acknowledging the saints got hoes plus finding Robbie Nicol Coleman twenty seven thousand dollars for helmet to helmet equals me. So let me get this right then ballot is undefeated. Every time he dresses up like a demon yet against Brock Lessner. He decides stroll into the ring not looking like a demon, Dan. I just can't make heads or tails of it perplexing. I have so many bets for the Super Bowl Sunday that at this point anytime. Someone breeds I will win or lose money gambling being legalized sports getting in bed with gambling companies bad call four rests would. So Cal ties, you know, what's been open up them. One of the dumbest things I've ever seen. You're going to say a can of worms but dumbest things I've ever alert. It's a can of worms. You know? Why is it a can of worms can you? Can you look that up for us? Chris please don't look now. But Novak Djokovic is quickly on his way to becoming the best. Men's tennis player of all Todd the joker Patrick Mahomes. Congratulations on doing it in the wrong bowl. The wrong rubble. Andrew lock is just happy to be alive. The wizards are better without John wall. Radley bills happier without John wall DC area. Nightclubs are going under without John wall. True. So to two or three of them have gone bankrupt. Because John wall isn't available to go there right Now, Dan Newark, Paul. Georgia's name belongs to you. The hall of fame in the MVP conversation. Oh, hear me loud and clear curry play Draymond K D cousins the season is over. Hey, Patrick who doesn't waste time? Winning pro bowls. Tom Brady, the most credible thing I've ever seen in all my years. Watching sports is the NFC going scoreless through three quarters of the Pro Bowl. Jerry Jones thinks if he fired the head coach of the team that went scoreless through three quarters of the Pro Bowl that at least five teams would fire their head coach and hire a coach that went scoreless through three quarters of the Pro Bowl. No way he meant that that quote is as fake as his face. There. It is lab that's restraint. Yes. It is. The only thing the jets have gotten right in the last decade is Jamal Adams. I hate them wanna know what tacking looks like it looks like the Knicks and VIN Baylor not dressing up like a demon. It's Ballard and Mike is so mad at me because he came in here to tell me before did weekend vacations that it's Beller and not Baylor. Sorry. My there your weekend survey if I'm Tony Romo, I don't eat any food during the Super Bowl wouldn't want him to choke. Go ahead. Tell me the last time you cared about the sag awards. I dare you nicer LeBron James the let the pelicans no now that Anthony Davis is never coming back. Every Laker not name. Lebron james. I hope you're renting. And that includes you, Luke. Walton if you wonder to yourself recently, and who hasn't whatever happened to Jalil Okeafor, I found him he's in New Orleans at playing, well, my what one might say excuse me, Jalil Okeafor is back is Rich Paul. Lebron James seeing Carmelo Anthony sitting in Madison Square Garden wearing street. Clothes really brought back the memories if the Knicks ever retire Carmelo's jersey, they won't raise his jersey to the rafters. Go raises string close to the rafters. What it on the poll? Guillermo should the Knicks raised Carmelo street close to the raptor? Carmelo don't mistake. Those cheers received last night as cheers of appreciation for what you did on the court. They were cheers of appreciation for you. No longer playing on their court New Orleans, and you thought the reps screw Joop last week must feel like how her New Orleans, but it's only a week New Orleans. Unlike our Briars who's there for turning Dan those other weekend observations, did you see that Cam Jordan of the saints was at the Pro Bowl wearing a shirt that read blow whistles not games. I made enough of them seriously. How long are they gonna complain about a blown call like, they're the only organization that's ever been on the wrong end a bad seriously enough, and they wanna comb from Roger Goodell. What's that gonna do? That's gonna make feel better. I've the origins of can of worms. It's a fishing reference in the days before plastic and styrofoam containers bait shops often sold earthworms and other live bait the fishermen in metal cans with handles lids donlevatar you guys used to work out together. Right. You in Damon used to spot you. Just we we hadn't torrent bromance? We were running on the beach together jogging on the beach, and we would sprint, and I really high socks, and then we would run in the ocean together that one time I made at mom. Sorry. That's rocky and abolish creed. I make my story this to God's mentally and seems like he'd be over aggressive spotter. Like just hearing you on come on, Dan. We'll more live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Guests on the Dan lebatardshow appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Here's your sports interrupdate, the AFC winds, its third straight. Pro Bowl of the NFC. Patrick Mahomes, end Jamal Adams named Pro Bowl. MVP's nineteen year old Luca dockage begin the first teenager in NBA history with a thirty point triple double dropping thirty five points, twelve rebounds, Tennessee's wasn't enough. Then averick still lost to the raptors. Wouldn't it be dawn? What am I saying docket? Well, yeah, you're making one CO hard. But it does make it sound. Like, you're calling him. A donkey. Doc, get my whole thing is it can't be both right L D. Let's go L D. With that. The don. The Don is better. It's funny and finally employees of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation now have access to fifty two weeks of paid time off for parental leave for both mothers and fathers during the first year of childbirth or adoption in addition to that employee's laws will be able to take unlimited time off without concern about their crude sick leave or vacation times. Nice at the gates there. Trey wingo plan that. All my athletes out there. Gatorade has a different option for you to hydrate. It's called Gatorade zero Gatorade zero has all the same electrolytes, but with zero sugar so you've got zero excuses. Not to go out and grab a bottle today. Gatorade zero all the electrolytes zero sugar about that. For all the latest headlines information, tune into sports center on ESPN radio all throughout the debt. Is that Bill Gates story is that related in any way to is it BuzzFeed or the Huffington Post? There's some places that are in trouble with layoffs where they're not giving their employees days that they're owed paid vacation days that they're owed. And so while it's very nice of the gates and the gates his can certainly afford to do that. I do believe there are a number of different companies across the country that are cutting people that aren't doing that put this on the poll, please at lebatardshow gear mo-, I think Scott's actually stumbled across cool nickname, the dawn is a cool, Nick. C'mon. For Luca dockage Kong. That put on the poll gamma, which one's better as name for Luca the dawn or the Donkey Kong. Mike, I've got to do something because I've got to explain this to the audience. This is a gin something that has happened that appears now to be annual. We work out of the Cleveland or hotel on tenth and ocean on south beach. It is a party place and very often the music can be bad. But it's our kind of bet. It's Pitt bull. It's it's loud, it's festive. But about this time of year now for a couple of different years. This death metal cruise makes clear here. Oh, no. Roy is the proper reaction because the music that is playing here. I walk. I walk across a beautiful courtyard there sunshine and everything I want to run back inside because the music is so aggressive that frightens me. It makes my chest hurt and in frightens me. Mike. How can you be excited about that? You're no one. But. For a cruise. Wow. It has been while you believe calls traded the short. It has been awhile since we've heard from death metal hockey guy Lear. Yeah, I believe downstairs too. I believe it was the worst selling of all the merchandise shirts, mental guy. Sure that that did not get off the ground. We saw specs and we're like, no one. What how would you explain the it's been difficult to explain don't let me explain to the audience where it is? We work when you get here. They give you PINA colada. Okay. When you check in their rockstar suites. It's very Miami. It's been Miami since spring break nineteen eighty it the Cleveland or hotel is sits on a famous strip of land. And it's a party palace, and there sometimes these conventions that roll through here that are terrifying. Couple of weeks ago is the bitcoin people. They just rolled. Remember that remember bitcoin, but the bitcoin convention people, like whatever you imagine that looks like it's what it looks like broke. Al- bunch of Stu gods? I was one last hurrah for bitcoin the Cleveland or hotel on a let's spend all our bitcoins there. So how would you explain ROY? You have the the same reaction. I did which is once this thing hit my temples. And I got knocked sideways into the pool. I'm like, I don't want to hear this all week that in another reason for me, not going down to is afraid of those people. Well, that's the other is so nice. They're so nice. Yes. It's a little odd. When all you hear is low right downstairs. It's a it's a nice mix it up with a little five finger death punch every now, and then they're very nice people down there. I can't wait to go down. I'm gonna catch a scene. Let's see what's down there. Let's see. We sent a camera crew down there. It's a little cold for the death metal people, and they don't get up at this hour. They usually pollute the place about three pm. Just don't send me down there. I don't wanna go down there. I what happened. Chris. What's doing? We just making a spectacle out of nice people that want to enjoy the south Florida sun during the winter Clinton some of their favorite tunes, but it on the poll game can you trust death? Metal people. Why can't you? They call the the event seventy thousand tons of metal. It's more than that. A lot of middleman. I mean. Listen to me, ROY. I love Miami. That music has made me consider moving. Wow. This it it comes through here. It's sweeps through here and it plays so loud and so- incessantly, Mike, I didn't think Super Bowl week could get any worse but throw some death metal in and see if it's oh for the guy. She's constantly. No, it's worse than that. It's more tonnage than on the head Bank thing. But it gives me. Yes. Your temples hurt. Mike. This is this is wonderful compared to what it is. That's on the speakers downstairs, this is I wanna dance to this comprehensively baseline, Mike the music that's playing on the speakers at the clevelander frightens me. I am actively scared and walking around is this onslaught Chris my wrong, am I wrong, Billy. You're in a Rosie's you go out there. And check on those people. See if that music doesn't scare you right into the sea should are. Nice people. Like anyone else just like different music than we do. Mike. This isn't terrible. Compared to what it is that. I'm listening to down there. Talking about more. No. Like that. Jackie really nailed it. Yes. Yes, Chris that is what I'm talking about a week of that. I think that we should ask all week the question. What is the single most important thing? The Rams have to do to beat the patriots in the Super Bowl with you doing that in the background, you know, in that every time. Sixty bands four days. One crew only three thousand tickets seventy thousand tons of metal or some of the band's onslaught. Magin stumbling into that cruise. You're like, oh, let's have a good cruise because sometimes they don't completely sell it out. So they have to split up the seniors are on this boat. At all sudden, there's onslaught atrocity. The one on the name name some of these bands. This can be fun. Clearly, the captain of the ship is our Bryant in vain. Simon and Garfunkel what card I don't know if you actually respect survey. Okay, or not. But you came off like you didn't care for him at all. Oh, I don't still guts. I don't care for his music. I don't care for what he represent. I don't care about the John. I don't care about the young people who like that genre. I think it's offensive and blasphemous that they have replaced the true musicians that do real art throughout the world. I think he's a sham stealing money professional thief. These live at our show with is still God's own ESPN radio. So marquees pouncey of the famed pouncey brothers at the university of Florida. They say what they think it's often wrong. Marquees pouncey says that things will be worked out between Big Ben and Tonio Brown. I'm pretty sure marquees pouncey was also saying publicly that lady on bell be here any minute. The offense of life was right. So I don't know what that means. They didn't thing it'll be worked out even though it's like the apocalypse is falling around their entire huddle. And he's just. Nothing to see here. But he does know what the relationship of Ben Antonio Brown is, and we know from Ben and in Tonio Brown that they have these epoch fights there. The couple that you know, stays married that is passionate always passionate, but fights like hell, and you know, they're going to remain together. But it seems like all signs are they're not going to remain together that this lattice blow up whatever happened there in terms of drop in a bucket with Antonio Brown, or Ben we know they have had they've told us this guts that they have a volatile relationship. They go months without talking. Then Tonio Brown will like beg him by techs and come on. It's over now. But it seems like this time he snapped. It usually is Ben that's naps. It seems like this time he snapped. Because Ben is riding him too hard. And he knows that he's going to keep Ben young not the other way around right and the Rooney's and they put their name on Antonio Brown. Not in our future plans. So that's. It'd be interesting. Because now there's reports where people are saying that the Steelers they're not gonna shop Antonio Brown, which just crazy. I mean what's going on here? They put their name on the idea of we will not tolerate this kind of insubordination that Rex are season at the end of the season. It's it's the easiest thing in the world to put your name on. It's a little harder to trade a valuable piece for three pick. It's also a little weird way. Only applies Antonio Brown. Not the quarterback. Well, that's true. Ben, Ben gates and things on his resume that are held a lot worse things Antonio Brown. I mean, this is an aside. But imagine of Cam Newton went through the exact same seven Rothlisberger. Did. Talking about that interception against Denver. Right. So here's Stephen a Smith sound even a Smith. He did he claim that he ended the government shutdown or what happened here? What is it sound Billy explain what the Saudis to me? So this is what happened on Friday. Stephen was nervous because he heard what was going on with TSA. And he heard what was going on LaGuardia. Parents. It was a mess on Friday. So Stephen was not happy with what's going on Stephen as going to Atlanta for the Super Bowl. And he basically was saying I'm considering driving down their ESPN us to run a bus for me to get there. And then the president heard Stephen A, and that was the government shutdown haven't enough to make an it's very important. And I'm going to say this to America right now. A straight punk. Going to repeat that a striped punk. Okay. I have no cuts a steady cat a chicken. I'm quack quack quack did every single hour. Every time I see damn reports about this. Stuff with federal employees, the shutdown and TSA workers with attitudes people not getting paid. And then I. See these reports about these planes that have been delayed because it's not enough air traffic controllers, dammit. About the rest of y'all scared as hell. I'm in New York City. John at the with them. I think because it's been a long time. But I think and Leno is about fourteen hour drive from New York City. Please see about drop Stephen Abe outdraw. I'll be damned. I'm a stripe punk about doing bribery and got a deputy to do it anything. What you thirty thousand feet into that money. Joe in the lab or you keep laughing at me, I'll blame you laugh at me too. I don't know. How y'all doing this? ESPN need to rent a bus. Something. Do. President trump. What's up Nancy Pelosi? What the hell? Don't y'all got a fly. I look, man. This is not a joke. Yo, I'm a stripe. I'm telling you that right now. You. Take be full. A couple of funny things gamma put on the poll. Please do chickens quack. Also, while we were saying it's on I take what comes up on the screen, but in Tonio Brown is taking vice from terro. That's the sound of the day. My computer career dot EDU trading. A better life so Terullo and says that Brown one out of pick Pittsburgh and has been asking him about the bay area. We keep hearing San Francisco, right? Like what who else said that recently somebody else put their name on the idea that in Tony Brown is interested in San Francisco above all else. This was the report from two weeks ago was really report it was like a former player saying the same theory rice, Jerry Rice yet. And there's a photo shop picture, I think on Antonio Brown's Instagram of him in a nine as uniform in bracing Jerry Rice, he's never worn a nine uniform. And I don't think he's ever embraced Jerry Rice. What do you make of that though? Like why San Francisco seems like he wanted to go to the forty Niners. I mean, thank you. Thank you. I three the next Jerry Rice. All right. I appreciate all your help with that. Thank you for the student algebra grabs. The profundity you always offer here whenever it is. I turn to you in times of desperate need to produce content for the network. When I asked you what do you make of that that he wants to be in San Francisco, and you say, it seems like he wants to be a forty Niner.

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Big Story Book Club: Eleven Rings Chapters 1-4 with Brady Trantham

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Big Story Book Club: Eleven Rings Chapters 1-4 with Brady Trantham

"Around Madsen Baby. This is the big story of the day. Podcast thank you so much for listening. We really do appreciate it. Make sure you leave us a rating on Itunes as really really helpful for us. Just leave us a five star review. We're also part of the franchise podcast network so make sure you look at all the other. Podcasts that are going on there. The o'casey eighty two the same as podcast inside. Oh you In everything else that we've got cooking over there at the franchise okay dot com but we're sponsored by new balance in Edmond so make sure you support people who support us here at the big story of the day so head. Over to new balance in Edmund Grey place to grab a pair of sneakers as well as some socks or some clothing. If you really need to make sure that you get all your athletic wear taking care of and you're beginning your new training habits. They will measure your foot. You'll go through the whole process. They'll put you in the exact right shoe. 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Cool so The lockdown thunder podcast. You can subscribe to that Brady man how you doing my friend doing well just trying to be the best little complying citizen. You know out there you know staying home and being safe and only go into the grocery store and all that all that fun stuff washing my hands washing everything yet sizing everything. You could probably eat off my parents counter right now. I've watched it so many times. So are you doing so I have to quarantine at your parents house. Yeah it's a much bigger than my one bedroom. Loft apartment right. I was worried about you just being so low. I three months. Yeah that just didn't it. Didn't sound like an appealing idea. So I just WANNA add secretary take out of my apartment and just which straight back to. Norman is like well. There's GonNa be more food. There's going to be more space inter- Internet and all that stuff and yeah and the other thing that I was thinking of was well if I take everything out of my apartment. Unplug everything. Don't have the Wi fi going well. Then all the electric the electric bill and the Internet bills going to be super super low as opposed to me just staying there on my own like like regularly. So it's like okay cool cheaper bills cheaper bills in this in these dark times. We'll get called by you so I've I've given something to at least waste. I don't know how long it take you to read the first four chapters at least hour hour and a half we you and I are doing a book club. You and I are going to do something that people have not done. In years and decades. We're going to work. I know it's been a while. I wonder like everybody likes. That's quarantining right now. Like Oh yeah I guess I can read those like those hard heavy cannon. Like book things on the shelf over there. I don't know what they are but let me check them out. So I the else I can do for so first question hardcover book or did you buy it on like an ear. Eater your iphone so I got the hardcover book and I got it on Apple audiobooks. Yes so I wish they didn't fit something that if you had the damn book in your hand you could scan the Barcode and then you have the audiobook that I feel like. That should be a thing. Yes who's reading the Audio Book because it Phil Reading it or is it. Somebody else knows somebody else. What the guy's name is. But he's like he's a professional audiobook reader. Allow Keys A. I've I've heard his voice like read like a few Stephen King novels so like especially in the part where Phil Jackson's basically just going through like his childhood. I'm expecting and somebody was murdered. And there's a killer clown house just the boy the voices kind of getting me in kind of a weird mood or just kept waiting for it. Sure so obviously you and I are reading eleven rings which is by Phil Jackson though. I don't know what to believe that he wrote every word of this You to lady So I've written this book. I've read this book before. Have you read this before this reading now? I've for whatever reason I just never really got around to reading it. I always wanted to but especially like when basketball season's going on it's so hard to find time to find Sharon to read But NO EXCUSE. I should have read it before because I'm a basketball fan. It's I love it. The first four chapters I threes right through. I've you don a little bit further but all kind of revisit them as we you know the next four actors but I love it. Yeah so this is Phil Jackson It's obviously his coaching stories. This out of his books I would say is a little less Story based in player. Because I've Read I've read it twice. This is GonNa be my third pass. The it's less stories about individual players and teams and a little bit more bigger picture philosophy basketball as a whole and he uses personal stories to kind of back up the point. He's trying to make a little bit different of strategy than his other book. But I really run all basketball fans be big band. Obviously because there's some Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant stuff in here which is always great content. So got any real quick. That's that's Kinda the weird thing like reading. This is now like every time he pitched Brian. It's now obvious. Obviously it's in the past tense when he's writing this or by talking about it but Kobe Bryant in the past tense. Like I couldn't get that out of my mind every time his name would come up. Yes you're exactly right. And so it's got some weird contexts now at Kobe. But this is one of those things that I was reading it and my wife who see me read this book a handful of times? She's like why do you care so much about this one coach and I go well. We'll see 'cause he was the coach. Where Michael Jordan and she goes. Oh I mean I guess that's cool. The and he was also the coach for Kobe Bryant. Oh I get it now. I'm like yeah this guy. This guy was a pretty big pretty big part of basketball's a whole for three decades. I mean this guy was just kind of the center of the universe when it came to everything going on so I guess we'll start at the beginning. The first chapters called circle of love. If you'd like to read along with us being Brady be happy to reading for chapters a week which is pretty manageable. Brady. I don't know how long it take you to read the first four chapters. It took me Man. I probably probably read the equivalent of one chapter from the book. Like physically holding the book in my hand And then the rest. I just listened on on audio book so like while. I'm doing chores or working out or going on a walk so I mean it probably took me. Maybe THIRTY FORTY FIVE MINUTES. Total when she like. Add it all up. Yeah Yeah I was right at an hour for the first four. So I mean it's and it's an easy book to read Trying to parse through so this is a great one for us to start on. Okay so First chapter just Kinda. Give me what your initial reactions are Because obviously he's kind of laying the groundwork here I think for people who aren't necessarily giant basketball fans. This is the start of. I'm very successful at this. Let me give you some examples. Why like probably one of the reasons why I prefer this book over like another book that you kind of compare it to his other one and that's the one With all the juicy like Kobe Bryant is not a very good teammate. He's not a very good whatever personality you know like all those sexy stories that you hear like those are cool and all but the problem is is like when a book comes out and there's a sexy story like you you know it already like. It's already being dissected and talk about like Stephen Adshead. His book come out of about a year to half ago like all those cool little stories about his views on. Reggie Jackson be you know traded like we knew that within five minutes of that book being released so like this. You know this opening chapter how you Kinda lays the for everything for the Book for how He Views Coaching Leadership Philosophy. And all that stuff to me. It's much more interesting. Because you get a better insightful. Look at the person you know. We Know Phil Jackson. As as a head coach him as he won six titles or six thousand with the Bulls won three. Titles with the Lakers Two dollars with the Knicks. There's a player. Kinda knew him as a weird little while he's into like zinn stuff. Whatever the hell that is and do yoga. Whatever the hell he does Susanna Weird stuff but you just get a better inciteful look at the man and like really. The whole chapter of the first chapter to me is just the five stages of leadership or He's he's quoting some these three people that did this research and how they've kind of categorize different tribes different groups of people Stage one stage two stage three so onto stage five and like I was actually kind of curious with you because you know the whole. I don't want to just go ahead and read everything. But a stage five's the best of all the stages in terms of leadership at stage five is described as a sense of innocent wonder and the mindset that life is great as compared to like stage. One where it's a tribe tribe full of people that are described as having despair hostility and the belief that life sucks. And now you're kind of applying this to a basketball team and you know Phil Jackson just kind of sits there and says well yeah like stage. Five that's Ninety five hundred ninety eight Chicago Bulls. I don't know I don't know about you Chisholm. It's really easy to say. Well yeah the Bulls. Were clearly a stage five team. Well it's like. They had the talent they had Michael Jordan. They have an incredible roster. I think it's really easy to say that because I'm trying to apply all this as well to the Oklahoma City Thunder just for the local angle. And I don't I don't know about you. Do you have all these stages memorized or do you have them in front of you by any chance. Okay so stage. Three focused on visual cheapen and the mindset. That I'm great. And you're not and this tribe is described as a tribal blown warriors. Okay so that sounds like the twenty seventeen eighteen twenty eighteen twenty nineteen Oklahoma City Thunder. You know the the Carmelo Anthony. Russell has Paul George than the Russell. Westbrook Paul George to me. That totally describes two thousand sixteen seventeen Oklahoma City thunder when Russell won the MVP. Kevin durant being the enemy. Now if you're looking at it at it that way compared to how he compares Or applies to stage five to the Chicago Bulls from the nineties with Michael. It may not make a lot of sense but to me I feel like this is. This is all like relative to talent on the roster expectations for the particular not. So it's really hard to just will like this. This teams that this team is that but again like I'm kind of rambling on a little bit year. I really like these philosophical conversations because like I love sports in the in the short term when they're going on but I really love sports when it's been like five ten years removed and waking look back with a bigger picture wider. Lund's at it to me that's when it becomes more fascinating and I think you and I are on the same wavelength with that because we both like Bill Simmons. He loves to look back at the history league with a wide lens in that same vein and so to me. I'm trying my best to apply a lot of the stuff to like the Oklahoma City thunder recently. And it's really easy because basically everything Phil Jackson is preaching the exact opposite applied when Russell Westbrook was running the show. Yeah so the great thing about I mean. I don't know if the great thing the overall point fills making early in this book is now not exactly cookie cutter but you can generally pull it teams in one of these five categories right like you can just put everyone in a bucket and they're going to be somewhere along this scale and it's this x y axis of talent and chemistry and as you progress upwards. One goes up so far and so forth so I mean you're right when you're trying to figure out where whatever team you're following is somewhere in this range the one that jumped out to me immediately and obviously covering the team everyday health's it's like oh well I mean the warriors the I'm Whoa. Let's see what I'm I'll read you the exact description. I'm great and your not. We have to win but I must do it alone. Winning his personal. I mean. That's kind of the mentality that Russell Westbrook. That's not me guessing what Russell Westbrook thinks about. That's what he said right forbade them. I've only got one on the court at spalding right. And so like I mean. It's almost like he's walking into this description and Phil saying get your Stage three team in so you're bub average maybe right at average you're gonNA win some games. We have no chance of winning the title. That also sounds like the thunder team that we've been talking about for the past few years so I think that I mean maybe you and I if we get through this book and where we get through five or six books and we're suddenly looking for things to talk about. You can almost go team by team and just put them in these stages and that might help us get a little bit of a gauge of who actually is competing for these titles. Yeah no question and actually I want it made me want to segue into this because I don't know if this is even a hot take but going back to what I said right at the beginning of my twelve ramble about these stages but they're so fascinated me but I really feel like that all these stages where you categorize them. I think it's really heavily. Reliant relative on The talent on the roster and then the expectations of that team so the ninety six set in the ninety six bowls. They had the expectation and win a championship. They did that so you can say that. They're stage five but let's say in some alternate history weird universe. Michael Jordan's ninety six bowls like flame out the second round and in in large part because M J goes solo in goes hero ball in the second round in the final three games and he just has bad shooting nights well then he could probably throw them in in the stage three. Because it's like I'm great. You're not because NJ hero ball and it didn't work right so my I guess my little hot take. Where would you put this twenty nineteen twenty twenty Oklahoma City Thunder assuming that the last game that they've played as this team was the win on the road against the Boston Celtics so no end of the regular season no postseason to find out where they actually stack up in the West? Where do you think considering the town on their roster and the expectations for the Steve or would you categorize the Oklahoma City Thunder this year? Probably stage four right. We're great the kind of team requires strong adversity. The bigger the fo the more powerful the tribe. That's kind of how they felt all season. See I put them in five because again. I'm not saying that the Oklahoma City Thunder are going to win a championship or that. They're the ninety six goals but what the town on their roster and the expectations AC- okay stage five a sense of innocent wonder in the mindset that life is great that completely describes the Oklahoma City Thunder. Are THEY GONNA win every game. No are they going to win the championship? No but I just truly feel like when I'm going through these stages I can't put them in sore because they don't really have an enemy they don't really have like a a rallying cry of like unless it's something unless it's something I guess. Conceptual where at the beginning of the year. Oh the thunder are gonNA suck. They're going to trade everybody. They're going to be a lottery team so if that's their enemy like their rallying cry against that then so be it but every time they were asked about it. They're like no we don't care about what other people say we're just. GonNa go out there and play basketball. That was always the the company line they would tell us so. I felt compelled within stage five and it felt weird. Because they're probably going to get bounced in the first or second route yes they They probably would have I don't know if I'd put them that high. Just because I guess in my head the ninety five ninety six bowls is just such a tier of its own. It's hard to really put another team that in that same rave wavelength by totally. What you're saying Chapter two is called Jackson's eleven. If I was a high school basketball coach or I was somebody who's wanting to get into coaching. I would tear out these pages and just like put them in my back pocket. Oh yeah so. This is basically Phil Jackson saying. Here are the things that I found the most important of being a head basketball coach and none of them have anything to do with XS annouce. Yeah and like the thing that really personally jumped out at me was probably the last point was the forget. Doreen bullet points. I think it was hitting. He has eleven of us in the last ones. Forget the rain. And it's basically about obsessing about winning is I think the quote is obsessing on winning as a losers game or being more emotionally affected by losing than you are winning that you've already lost about you when I used to play sports when I was you know a kid middle school high school in even a little bit afterwards like when I play like three hundred basketball tournaments when I was at. Ou at my friends fi loss. I got I was so angry. I just hated losing. And if we won like I would be. I wouldn't be like jumping a hoot and hollering or anything. I just a good one expected to do. And so anything else is just an absolute failure. Even if it's like man we just ran into a better team I just. I could not accept it in nine. I'm reading this chapter undergoing yeah unless I had complete difference of opinion and how I saw the world and if I had if I look myself in here and said you need to change if I just decided to be a coach I would fail because about all these boys. I'm just like yeah I'm way too emotional. Yes you're you're exactly right. And here's something that I was going to this chapter and obviously Phil Jackson. He's coached eleven championship team. So it's really hard to say man. I wonder who else is like Phil not a lot of people but I mean so number one lead from the inside out. I mean we've all heard that term before so we all know what that's kind of going for bench the EGO. This is essentially him saying that. He's never gonNA. I mean he was talking about the fact that he doesn't call up players in the public doesn't talk about them in the media doesn't want to address it whenever it comes to those things he wants to do it kind of behind closed doors and not make himself a big part of the story law that to be between him and player let each player discover their own destiny which you know. Kinda let let guys get through their own woodwork alone. The Road of freedom is beautiful system so on and so forth and I was reading all these and basically it's all you know be selfless be a helper more than a leader You know take a step to the side. Let the players figure out things themselves. He talks about not calling timeouts when the other team ago on big runs forcing the TI figured out themselves. So I'm GONNA say it. This all sounds like billy Donovan. To me I oh my God so my question to you is going to be this. How much of it? And we're not going to know this but it's just good to speculates. How much of all this is. Actually Billy Donovan's philosophy. And how much of it is just? That's how the thunder operate like they're never going to give billy dominant the platform to even be a position where he could just start rambling about how hard it is to coach. Russell has been asshole. He is you know what I mean so like. How much of it is the thunder and how much of it is built on. And I think that's a good question. It's just something we're never going to know. We're never going to know but retires and then like you know look back on his career in Oklahoma City and then then opens up but he doesn't really strike guy type of guy that opens up so a little bit of me wants to say. Yeah this is. This does perfectly describe how billy Donovan coaches and conducts himself and tire by the Nixon starts throwing out some f bombs immediate availability. We'd like Oh so it was the minister. I mean hell I would I would. I would either way if I was coaching. Touche Touche so That's what jumped out to me in that chapter again. If you're looking for like man I WanNa get into coaching and I want to be successful. I don't know if this is a Copy and paste description or set of instructions but goodness gracious. What I read every single word that chapter ten times to try to pull some things away if I was getting into the coaching world. The the other real quick the other interesting thing though is like the timeout anecdote. Has Everybody remembers whenever they watch Laker Games? If the opponent would go on a big run Phil Jackson would never call time. If the camera would just still like do a close up of Phil Jackson? He just sit there. And then you hear the answers go. Well this is what Phil Ochs do you let he wants the team to figure it out on his own. Well I mean Gregg Popovich is probably the second or first you know the best coach in NBA history. That guy will call a time out six seconds into a game because he doesn't like the way that they hustled down on decent. So it's it's interesting but it doesn't necessarily you have to follow. All these bullet points to be successful equally successful in other ways but Just an interesting little thing. I thought of yes. No you're exactly right The Third Chapter I don't know about you brainless using that really jumps out at you. This is a lot more about Phil's life and kind of going from Montana state to the NBA. Just kind of telling a little bit of just personal story there. I think books like this are always going to have those moments where you kind of want where this is less about learning and more less about learning about basketball and a little bit more learning about my life. I think a lot of people like reading about that but I don't know we need to break down to that because basically here's what most people don't know Phil Jackson coming into the NBA. Was a really good basketball player. I mean yeah he had I mean six day he can move. He could run. He could jump. He brags about himself a little bit here to. Yeah have you ever watched like old highlights Phil Jackson? Yeah yeah yeah he was good. So it's it's so weird with his long hair is like the not super long but like the curly hair that he add back yes. It's so it's so weird. No he had he had a good little skill set and the Knicks had a good team. Obviously they want to championships. But Yeah I mean the biggest thing I took out of this part of the book was just the and this is kind of interesting to me no matter what we're talking about when we're talking about athletes but when they go through a year long injury or something that basically takes them away from the game like not so far out of the game like an Andre Roberson. That's a complete data category. But you know you're traveling with the team. You're in the locker room. You're on the bench during games. But you're not playing so you're you're not in it the entire way and I thought it was interesting that back then I guess. The players had to vote for injured players to get a certain amount or percentage of a share of playoff earnings and the Knicks of course voted for bill to get the full share or his full share. So that was interesting to me. But it's just the kind of the ripple effects how like people's life Kinda unfold before them in why it leads them to a certain destination but I mean it fills. You accidentally get hurt for year. And I think he I think he was out for almost a year and a half if he's not out for a year and a half maybe he's never put into a position to think. Maybe I'd like to get into coaching. Because that's what kind of comes into the into the next chapter but It's just interesting like if that doesn't happen. Maybe Phil Jackson Never Wants to get into coaching. Never removed from the game in such in such a fashion. Yeah and this is also he kind of very much like like puts his finger just a little bit in the water talking about the fact that this is kind of him getting introduced to the triangle and college and then it becoming a little bit bigger part of his basketball career in the NBA. Which obviously fill is famous for Ryan the triangle with Michael and Kobe and shack. So you know a little bit. If you're if you're a real basketball junkie like I am and stuff like that. I love reading anything. I can about Phil Jackson's Triangle. Offense because there's just not a lot of information about it. It's a lot of guesswork of what the reeds were. And a lot of time watching film but no one is entirely sure exactly. How fill is running his offense which I love. Do you think you consume. He says that it can still work in the in today's game. No doubt now. You know it couldn't work with. You would have to build a team to run the triangle offense. You know what I mean like Phil couldn't get hired on an NBA team and teach them the offense they would have to hire fill and then spend two or three years acquiring the players to make it work. Yeah because the Triangle in theory works even today's game. The problem is when you're applying it with certain players like it's just it comes down to the players wanting to have them. I don't WanNa say the mental capacity players are smart like when it comes to bass while they're all smart but the triangle is I mean. It's a it's a thinking man's offense I get. Yeah you have to have a certain open-minded like bill talks about that in the first to check as well you have an open mind in order to run that offense right and so it's a lot of if player ex player. Why does this that or the other? This is what I do in. All five guys are reacting to those things. Everyone's making the same rate the same time. Yada Yada Yada and we're Michael in Kobe. Were great at it. In the reason it works because some of those reads are okay now isolate now. It's my now I go score which I mean there's not like okay and now a screen and running a picket role. It was okay now I go. I go score Michael. Kobe were great at that. Was what made sense or shack you know can now. I post up now I score. That'll make sense. But you run that with you know a Klay Thompson who doesn't want the ball on the floor is grace. Klay as he'd be great in that offense be could be the main focus. You'd have your players that play certain positions that kind of all make sense and I. It's just a fascinating thing. You can watch hours and hours of Youtube about Phil's triangle offense in seriously still be totally confused of how exactly it works Brackley. I'm a nurse. I'm a NERD and I love. I love that stuff. Okay so the longest chapter out of the I four with was the quest and you kind hinted at it there We'll we'll go through this pretty quickly but this is Phil discovering that. He wanted to be a coach. Yes so like he's obviously going through college He kind of goes into his personal history growing up with his parents being ministers in a pentecostal church so heavily involved with Their Christian beliefs and Phil as you kind of grew up. He kind of found him found himself going like well. This doesn't really vibe with me. And he gets to college and of course people kind of go through this when they get to college. It's it's eye-opening live it's eye-opening philosophy. Maybe even for religion at times and for him. It just gave him an avenue to learn about other cultures. Other traditions other ways that people basically vibe with thoughts or religion and He like you know he talks about that over and over and then he gets back into his NBA career. No obviously a few years later and he's now come back from his back injury there. He's on a good team. They eventually win the title. And it he he describes it as like finally a ring that I earned that I call my own and then it kind gets into his desire to start coaching and then he starts to. Meld are kind of mold. A lot of those eastern philosophies the Sufi Zan that he was learning in college and you can see that he slowly starting to build them in his kind of coaching philosophy. Now I don't know if it actually happened that early on I'm not going. I'm going to assume not you'll learn more. Get further along the book but it again. It's just interesting. How it goes from out for a year removed from the game gets back on. The floor gets a ring. Finally then he gets asked can be like a unofficial official assistant coach the Knicks. And he's now taking a large young in his career to exactly. He's taking a lot of his off the court philosophy that he's learned and kind of trying to reeducate himself more and more as he grows and applying it to basketball and look. I don't WanNa make this adopt me. That much man but I Love Basketball too. I love it to death but out Mitt. I'm into a lot of things. That aren't very basketball culturally. You know I'm into I'm into like heavy metal I I. I'm not into rat base. Chris Paul's listening to that. No not at all. There's a reason why like back when Nick Collison used to tweet which this was years ago but I used to love when it would be white Guy Wednesday. Because he would he would he would basically just start tweeting out like. I'm playing Pearl Jam on White Guy Wednesday and I heard Kevin just scream what the hell is off and what. What is this music? I appreciate when people can bring their outside influence into something in a molded into something that is constructive and positive. You know what I mean. Not being overpowering You could you could certainly Phil Jackson being. If he wasn't careful he could be seen as completely pretentious. You know and maybe some players probably saw that way. I mean there are a handful. Say his time was glaring. To me about this. Chapter is kind of what you're hitting on is that's how he felt as a front office. Member is that he slowly kind of got to where because he was doing less less of players directly he his attitude his persona suddenly felt very pretentious because he wasn't with the players day to day and I think that might have caused some of the struggles that you had when he was at the Knicks. That is a good that is. That's a good thought. Yeah that makes so much sense because you. This is something that you need to have like on the daily in a direct kind of in a direct way. Where he's there. You're able to talk if you have a problem with him. You go talk. I don't get this. Why did you make me read this book? That has nothing to do with basketball. You know if he's just telling you to do something in a memo or an email. It's like I'm not going to do that. That makes sense. Yeah yeah I mean well that. And he was wasn't going to scouting events because he's Bill Jackson. That's probably also reason James Donor your. He wasn't going to Europe to go scout jaanus. He was not he time. Okay so there's the first we hit everything that was kind of standing out two year. Did we miss anything? That's pretty much. It Okay Cool. All right so Chapters five through eight five five eight next week man I think Here and there. You might jump on with maybe me and Matt to talk about the Friday night lights every Thursday or sorry every Wednesday and mass talk movies on Wednesday. You're welcome to both anytime friend. Oh awesome awesome. Yeah WH-. How many episodes are you guys watch? Is it just one episode of week three episodes a week? Okay in the episode Friday Night Lights. They must have been running an insane amount of commercials back in the day. 'cause there's an hour on live programming. They only run like forty one minutes. I know they're not that long. Yeah it makes. They're running ninety minutes of commercials back in the day that Yeah so you can walk through it. Pretty quick sweet. This is the worst character in like the history of television. That's my that's my take a dude. I have so you've seen Friday night lights all the way through. Oh Yeah I would say I have never like made such big pendulum swings multiple times on characters as I do in that show like one season. I like this character by the end of it I hate them and vice versa. Back and forth back and forth back and forth every season which is probably the only thing they did really well. The acting is a subpar. Landry was like one of my favorite characters in that show and it made it that much harder to like. Watch breaking bad. I don't want to. I mean I'm that old at this point but yeah watching him like make the professional decision to go like I was a wholesome lovable Comic Relief Guy Lights. Let me just be deplorable monster and breaking back when you say the biggest up spoil or if you're going to listen to the Friday night lights podcasts. The biggest upset in that entire show is when Landry decides. He's going to be the place kicker and he's good. Oh I know that makes sense. It makes no sense but God God Dang it. I loved it I remember. I guess we'll talk to you next week. Awesome thank you thanks man. Thank you man. I'll talk to you later. Bye Thank you so much for listening this Chisholm Holland from the big story today. Podcast follow me on twitter at Chisholm Holland. We really do appreciate your time as always leave us a review on itunes man that is super helpful or spotify or wherever you are listening to this podcast. It really does make a huge difference for us to know that you guys are out there and you're enjoying the content. 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"First exam makes you take weekdays ten am eastern on sp and you could always watch us on the e s t n up so much to discuss today which team has the most to lose by not winning nikolai sweepstakes lesson dynasty disrupted stephen i have new details on why katie really left the warriors in ben simmons get paid but did he deserve a max deal in philly let's start it feels like a holiday whole lost its fourth of july speed max kellerman lie how we doing stephen ashley greatest contribution i think the world dieting well guess what that's really easy just gave the guy i've ever done stuff that we ready to do this do okay why leonard is going to we don't have a finals mvp twotime champion the most coveted free agent has yet to declare where he will be taking his talents we know toronto and bold l eight teams are still in phoenix stephen smith on you most likely easily the los angeles clippers as far as i'm concerned i mean when you look at the los angeles clippers right now let's be very very clear about something that you have an opportunity to be relevant in a very very significant way in las angeles you have an opportunity to be eight title contender a this is while the lakers are in the process of gaining momentum back after six year absence from the postseason whistler bra with anthony davis intoe if you don't get why you fall off the map you damn near fall back to what you have then as the clippers i won't insult this organization which i consider to be first class at this particular juncture by saying they fall back to donald sterling status that's when he was within that will certainly would not say that what i would say is this the level of relevancy that they had they win gaining traction if you lose co why is specially if it's still the lakers it is a disaster of epic proportions because the lakers are going to have all the sizzle all the headlines the clippers are going to be an after thought they're not going to matter so folks in l plus opposite you know outside of their rabid fan base whatever that fan base is if you are not a die hard clipping marcellus wiley yeah buddy viewing billy crystal if somebody like that you don't give a damn what burned down if you're not if you're not gonna give a damn about the clippers if they don't get co why ns specially if he ends up with the lakers if they if co why ends up with the lakers that's a disaster for the clippers i'm not gonna sit here and pretend it's not and the clippers have the most to gain by getting co why because of what you just mentioned that doesn't mean they have the most to lose the most to lose is clearly the toronto raptors who not only already have him in wanna championship but traded in all star in demar derozen to get him at this juncture of free agency there were no other stars left stars are all god jimmy butler is not only kemba walker is not going to toronto not the they wouldn't necessarily anyway no kyrie irving eighties not available in the trade who's like everyone's katie's got everyone's gone so we're co why we know they have championship potential 'cause remember they beat the golden state warriors team left without k d but they had claimed most that series and they won six games their position to win again we've why even though the sixers you and i might say they're the favorites now they're still position to do it's a co why took out the sixers just this past season if they lose him nothing to replace him bagel from champions to they don't have a show first of all you'll know if you're wrong in a multitude of levels number one the toronto raptors when you look at them if you look at seok mule so you look at lowry in these boys the fact of the matter is considering that along with the eastern conference which isn't that formidable you can still find a way to be respectable double what i could watch it because of the conference that you're playing in the roads prosperity is far more difficult to the west and the eastern conference that's number one number two keep in mind the kind of trade element golden state would dangelo russell along with a miami with jimmy butler understand that if there's a reason why i'm assigned the drawn to wrap this want it to be the last one in that meeting certainly that doesn't mean that you keep it but it does mean that you could possibly talking in two working out a negotiation situation wouldn't be applicable to the lakers 'cause they have nothing to offer but let's say for example kawai leonard says well i'm not coming back to you because you know what i may go to the clippers well if you are the loss angeles clippers is here tell me galadari on the raptors makes him a championship was not that's not what i'm saying you're not listening let me i specifically said the road to prosperity is far more difficult to the west and the east but the eastern conference you could possibly squeeze into the players could you only got three of four teams you looking at milwaukee looking at boston you're looking at philadelphia maybe toronto can't ignore indiana now do they picked picked up a of malcolm brogdon if our people comes back and he's healthy outside of that you look at the eastern conference what you got there's no definitive formidable team in the last three spot in the eastern conference the fifth sixth seventh and eighth seed you know short so i'm just saying like this if you take weather and i don't think they'll do this with a patrick beverley but the gallon armies of the world is some of the other pieces that they have on the roster you might potentially have some part in order the gate co why obviously the clippers you're willing to give up something if if you give up those other elements could squeeze in the sixth seventh or eighth say that my whole they're gonna make the playoffs the raptors wizards without co why 'cause messiah jiri is one of the two or three if not baskets are you ready for this i don't know if that's the case with the clippers if they don't get why excuse me did the clippers that was my question did they have why this past you know did they make the playoffs yes and they won two games in those playoff can area they went forty one forty eight games so i get it what i'm asking you have you not paid attention to what's going on in the western conference have you not see what transpires portland's gonna be up at the bottom in fairness to you some of the nineteen eighties but utah is incredibly allegations it really got better suited got better okay got better we don't know what's gonna happen with minnesota that remains to be seen i'm certainly not counting them out but i'm looking at the western conference sacramento then get in the playoffs and i don't expect it happened the sacramento kings will be uplifting the gyms so i'm thinking about sacramento and think about golden state i'm thinking about the l am thinking about the lakers obviously they did make the place we expect them to be in utah gonna be there portland gonna be the houston is going to be their new all these is no joke okay so there's a plethora of teams in the western conference did you look at and he said well well well we don't know what the clippers if they if they don't get why stephen i don't know what happened to the clippers this year they didn't win forty three games they didn't win you know forty two games they won fifty games and that was the first year they were together really that they just jerry west just help for that team just now miss anything i think the clippers even if they don't get why could maybe be marginally better 'cause tweak the margin the roster on the margins britain why i think they're gonna win a chip for at least get out of the way even without him coming very impressive playoff performance nobody's denying the impressive this which we saw from them what i'm simply saying that this last year this is another year and one of the things you really pay attention to that i always pay attention to is that again once they see who you are you're no longer sneaking up on people that's a different ballgame now obviously the nfl is a different sport but many many occasions we've lamented the fact what happened to this team a year ago they were this the next year they win the super bowl and then the next day they don't even make the playoffs why because people see you don't want him why i know the mvp doesn't work that way but you know something the western conference they had been teams at one forty plus games they missed the playoffs the little ones i forgot which team that you're like forty seven and they make the playoffs i don't disagree with a lot these points but what you're talking about is not the clippers had the most lose they don't have now and if they were together it'd be a cool because for a brief moment maybe they could it's not flip ballet at least really come up on the lakers but it's not the same as the knicks and the nets the lakers have built such goodwill and loyalty in that town over so many years even if you get hawaiian come up on a you're not flipping elway in any kind of permanent or semi permanent way have the richest owner and all it doesn't matter you have jerry west you have a hall of famer hall of fame coach doc rivers if you don't get cold why leonard yeah it's a disaster but it's not really is it's not as bad as the team who has wanna go with by the way which you kept bringing it up the bruins in the blues leading the news even though the end and neither one of them were from toronto toronto team by the way even leave the sport is new and by the way a week after they won the championship they still won leading but if you if you keep co why you have a chance to really start changing the culture of that entire country let alone town and you're gonna lose why and then you're not who would buy not changing the culture they'll pay attention to the auto rep is one of the post season arrives outside of that bill ignore hypoc what's 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the deal makes sense it's a no brainer i mean you simmons is a player's gonna offer a max deal to rights when he's eligible for it a he rich paul his agent will get this done here in the near future in south philadelphia will have its core a locked up joel embiid's locked up long time offer long term and then obviously a al horford and tobias harris who just you know who are signing extensions a new deals with them here and now you had record and then you know if you wanna move pieces around a down the road if you don't like the makeup of your team while you need have you're you're players under contract long term for them they have value in moving but ben simmons and joel embiid those were the centerpieces of the six organization and then they put everybody else around them versus simmons win rookie of the year made an all star team at increase creases production from year one year two but one part of his game they will have to be answered for it's just shooting as simmons most notably has not made three pointers since entering the league for more let's get you back the first take tony thank you kindly philly they're not playing around making sure ben simmons stays put maximum asking us to feel like he deserves max dollars no fight a team i would give it to him 'cause that's the wrong number dollars go setting max contract b b b economics of basketball such if i owned the team i would give it to him i anticipate eventually he will be worth that money i hope things work out but at this moment is he worth the money stephen i'm not come out the market bears on someone is he worth it no and here's the thing he had it's not right to say he got more productive in his second season he didn't and that's what troubles me about simmons he i look at p e r 'cause it takes into account points rebounds isn't it ended and there's a formula that that shows you how efficient how good someone is on offense mostly it's not very good defense but it's a very good short hand you know no offense the way or measure offense the way 'em a to me or is for a quarterback right not perfect but it's good shorthand get us twenty pdr on the nose is working as a twenty one year old rookie that's just about all star level you notice pr was last year twenty on the nose twenty point oh again there was a stagnation and in terms of his development in the reason i say he in embiid or the best on the same team is you look at what happened to the greek freak how they design that team around him they cleared out the middle and just put shooters everywhere where so we could go downhill and you're either after double of many kicks it doing open man wearing bangs it on you simmons is similar with much better handles but a great passer lightning fast and taken to the rack and do all these things often but he can't shoot at all and the problem with the way the sixers a constructive right now as much talent as they have steven hayes in the playoffs what happens simmons becomes a power forward they put him in the dunker spot that's the best way to using their so is he worth max money at this moment not the future right now i cannot say that he is i can say is i could say is because i'm not just thinking about you're potentially the kid's gonna be twentythree july twentieth he's the first overall pick in the two thousand sixteen mbh trapped in this dude and the two full seasons any places he mrs first full year this past season he averaged sixteen point nine point eight point eight rebounds seven points seven assists by the way one fifty six percent shooting from the field and i missed all six of his three point shot he's missed all seventeen of his three point shot scott's in his career they attempted he only shot sixty percent from the free throw line this is they problem he's gotta shoot if this too and don't get me wrong he needs to work on the jokes and i'm told by rich paul and clutch sports that he is working out very very heart which was not the case last year but it's something that that that i wanna remind you and nobody's willing to admit this this is just me on i'm making this i'm making this this this this assertion ben simmons was such also shooter is such an offer shooter he wasn't he was lazy last year he won the vita watch you ever been somebody you ever cross couple of somebody that just sold godawful at a particular trait they don't want anybody else i mean you you know you just don't want anybody that he you performing he way by the jim watson issue because that's all we have an incentive that that's exactly what i believe and it's something you have to overcome that i that's what i believe based people came in last year what he said all right i'll give you and our this is what he was saying if people listen there's only one reason you would do that and that's because you're embarrassed while because that's what he did with the sixers last year that's not the case right now which is a testament to him i have a problem with his ability to shoot period nothing else he defense he's long his foot work his passing the ball handling skills no he's not magic he's not lebron anything like that but the brother is something special at six ten and what out a shot this is what he's been able to do and you also have to remember who you're talking to hear you're listening to i am a guy that covered the seventy sixers every day but thank you so larry brown and billy king and pat croce so round allen opposite would do to get that doesn't mean you have value and the fact of the matter is when you're looking at the game of basketball you think about the multitude of components that contribute to one success on the basketball court i understand that ben simmons cannot shoot i am telling you that his knee only thing that he can't do when i look at that look at it starts his athleticism what he is in open court his ability to finish at the basket shoots fifty six percent of the bill now when you look up to say he's six percent shoots no he dunks fifty percent on the issue isn't let's say the same thing about the greek freak to a lesser degree he finishes it a better don't don't your defense is fifty six percent of his shots in you know in in interior he finishes all i'm saying is when you take that into account his skill set his upside at six six ten grand us and he's turning twenty three this month please unlocking that brother in was five years a hundred and seventy million there by the way they obviously got clauses in they wanna make sure that's why they just signed this just announce it this is already done but i'm telling you he's worked this and i will hey without hesitation first of all i love you're serious about him being embarrassed even practice something he's so bad i he doesn't want anyone to see right i like the thing that much more then he doesn't have a work ethic or internal muller because i disagree disagree with you that he's not magical lebron i think he is minus the shooting but stephen eight it's not just an issue with shooting the way it was with the greek freak the greek freak if you walk away from it he will shoot it i mean he he will hit his nails threes he'll hit jump shots he will then send me on the bowl season but go ahead yeah you're threes not one bit of rain not when you had to stop the rapids from winning four straight now go ahead but the point right yeah co why on the point is ben simmons won't even take a shot a shooting a fifteen footer just shoot at some point so it's not just like the other thing is he did not make any advance and said i could see between his rookie second season he was the same exact player to me but i do disagree with you that he's not magical abroad i skill sets any i think it's better handle lebron i think he's every bit the passer lebron is he's like magic lebron just about lebron i i'm not i'm like fantasy aggressive i'm just saying shooting comes along with the territory in the fact of the matter is they when when needed they can make perimeter shots this brother won't even attempt that at this moment but but to me but to me that doesn't disqualify him from being a max player particularly when that max's one seventy as opposed to twenty now there were two hundred twenty million fifty million dollar difference i get your point about a hundred and seventy million dollars in today's nbc market ben simmons is worth every oh this is what he brings to the table yeah the reason it it the reason by now in his career i would think oh he would have been a part of their longest he missed that first season so usually what a team will do is like a guy up after their third season in the league they're giving that max rookie extension and that takes you until years seven so if you don't wanna be in the market year six you start hearing them saying hey trade me where i'm gonna sign somewhere else the problem is ben simmons missed his first season is only had the two season and i haven't seen improvement from one season one season two i would give him the same contract that's not the question is he worth it right now not later on right now he's not catch shoot let me tell you something one of the things i and people are not bringing this up enough but listen i'm very very fond of brett brown as a person i think he's a good man and i think that he went through a lot in philadelphia before you know he he had to he had the indoor a lot because of that process nonsense don't get me started with the fact that he ended the day you look at brett brown and that coaches staff they gotta they gotta handle their business here just like they modified things with joel embiid and made him or before last season compared to the season before now they got locked in on ben simmons and demanding more of an s but actually sent you lost jj redick especially because josh richardson it's a dumb cinder he can score a little bit but he's not a shooter jj redick is a sniper and that sort of offset whatever ben simmons what's lacking on the perimeter not just because they were willing to put the move without the basketball now tim is going to step it up let's be honest kevin durant's time a golden state some more highs and lows including back to back finals mvp awards while helping the warriors won two championships however there were reporter behind the scenes drama in a public display of frustration between k d and dream on green on the court in a recent article it's senior writer zach lowe chronicled somebody pressure katie felt falling the first title and golden state while working with steve nash warriors consultant so and duran express feelings of being unfulfilled following the title winslow also wrote about withdrawing in head coach steve kerr telling a superstar that he didn't want to do stephen i understand then you have some information the floor is yours you know listen just just bear with me max molly for second let me just break a few things down number one understand something i wanna emphasize i have not spoken the kevin durant about this at all okay kevin the rams laying low kevin randall wanna ask a question any way he likes the plane when you say something ito life you know you'll hear from him then but he's not too interested in being quoted in this day and age and now i have not spoken him about any of this but let me just break something down the he's going from golden state you saw what happened with him and dream on in that huddle against the clippers dream on basically just said go the hell you know we don't need you you plan only you out you out the door any damn way an end by all accounts with the golden state warriors dream on green stepped over the line and when i was a bit to flagrant with his disrespect toward kevin durant but part of it was because he felt a bit betrayed because he knew that kevin durant's is on his way out the door and after they recruited they showed him love from after you depart from old casey they thought that they deserved better his relationship with steph curry cynical with one another that's impossible dislike steph curry is one of the nicest guy in the world in in in in you know he's got love k d k d knew that he would never be steph curry in golden state steph curry could do no wrong the golden boy concessions may things at a you know just ignored whatever not the case steph curry did anything wrong but kevin the rat knew that the star treatment at steph curry receipt indefinitely did not think that was reserved in one of these other things it hasn't been talked about kevin durant did not have the greatest relationship with steve kerr he wasn't too fond of steve kerr at all i don't know the particulars but i do know that okay the team was a teen kevin the rat is a part of the team but he's his own man very independent people that know too much about him in pretty i'm pretty much eisold himself but the reason why all of this is relevant is because we look at kevin the rat and we know him to be a very good person in a very good man although he could be sensitive in some people's eyes sometimes not me i have no problem with other people says he has rapid is what we do is go back to okay see when he left one of the things that has never been talked about what transpired in water friction between him and ross existed it was it because kevin the rat and left it was high handled it according to what i have been told night both for kevin durant's looted the hampton and the other four dude equal dollar dream on steph and clay met with kevin durant's had dinner with russell westbrook nick collison i think war alive but i'm not sure literally look russell westbrook in the face and told him i'm not leaving i'm staying in then went to the hamptons and announced that he was going to golden state and when that happened he didn't pick up the phone there after nicole russell westbrook dexter never even goal is to make sure i get this straight so he went with them look them in highlight the thunder thunder teammates run out of money i said i'm staying staying who wouldn't want that to and then left for the hamptons and then told then then he's on the golden state that detects russell westbrook but didn't call why i have a question did to your knowledge he knowingly lie to russell westbrook at the time now what's his mind changes why was changed his mind was on the left on his mind but the point is that it doesn't matter because of russell westbrook size you told at one minute commitment did another day you did call me did tell me you change their mind you text me and never call in on top at all all the heat was brought to bear because what the people speculate about a month you don't wanna play with russ when in fact the bigger problems with sam presi 'cause one of these other things about her would that if you remember he had won mvp one year he really had a problem with an end kendrick perkins to his credit spoke about this one the jumping up the show's over the last few weeks kendrick perkins alluded to this but it really happened nike wants to put up a big poster chesapeake arena you know kevin the rat congratulations mvp eccentric cetera and sam presi in oklahoma city thunder supposedly allegedly told kevin the rat in his people that can be within ten to fifteen miles you do that by ten fifty miles away you can't hang up nothing only arena this essay in other words honoring you as mvp because i don't know the reasons why i don't know what i'm saying to you is kevin durant's had an issue with sam presi in oklahoma city more so then he had a problem with russ but it also speaks to the victory off from occasion or abrasiveness abrasiveness for lack of a better word that we witness from russell westbrook because what so westbrook sits around he's taken all of this heat from everybody would everybody's like well kevin around left 'cause you know there were other things they went they went into it here in the manner in which he fell according to this is what people have been talking about a month i've known this for a while now but it's what people are talking about mom they're like this is what happens to russell westbrook had a real big time problem with how he departed and why is all of that relevant because you left okay see the golden golden state because you don't want people talking about you without a title you capture the title now you go someplace they have a fresh start in brooklyn but now you're more grownup than ever because one of the biggest problems everybody has seen this is what people don't realize about russell westbrook russell westbrook could be a survey russell westbrook could be abrasive russell westbrook here's a man this do came into the league he's nineteen years of age he's cutting his own checks he's paying his own bills he's handling things cats like k d young just wanna play ball you got other people handle and a lot of things the reason i bring something so seemingly innocuous like that up is because russell westbrook had no problem with kevin the ramp be recognized as the best player on oklahoma city thunder he had a problem with the notion that he should defer kevin the rent as a leader because born in off the corner how growing up you all matters sack leader everyone recognizes that if it were it was the problem the team so what russell was talking about with stuff like that and these these are the kind of things that cat in the league have been telling over the last few months and all of that is relevant because now that we sit here and we talk about katie having made the decision to go to brooklyn it was supposed to be new york so so the league and i don't know if it's true or not again i'm gonna give it the rant about this but the leaf is kyri talked him into swaying towards brooklyn as opposed to being the other way around so mentality is in question mark this to which k deal we see are we seeing that young kid who just love the game of basketball or we seeing that grown man that has a rod has established himself there's no question about him in here we are this is a decision that i made everybody get on board which we're gonna see that's why you're here myself a lot to unpack but really quick the cliff notes so basically sat down at the thunder teammate said that i'm gonna stay with you he wasn't lying to them though got on the plane when he met with the hamptons five changes mind russia's frustrated with how the method was delivered didn't speak to face to face you're calling his attacks method and now you're saying that kyrie had a little more of the power in terms of swaying hate that rumor that i would on

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"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening on the ESPN app app gas, where have you get your podcast? We appreciate it, right. As review was gives five stars. You ought to give us four stars. I'm inclined to think that you are a hater coming up NC double a trial. How come that hasn't really been a big thing. Know people won't me talk about Peter mass. We don't talk about Peterman, but I. Today, did you know that it's toll for six teen? The NBA season is already started as a little town to remember that sort of thing. They want to stress season. How's it? It'd be fewer back to backs and all of this if feels a little bit too early for the season to be starting. But that being said it also feels too early to be forty eight degrees outside, which is what it was when I walked into work today, which is to say, don't nobody care if you think it's too early. Sometimes stuff just happens starting today, thunder warriors, which probably would have been a more interesting game as the second of the double header. If Russell Westbrook were playing, but he still recovering from a knee surgery, but we do have the Sixers and the Celtics. You may recall those guys played in the postseason last year, the Celtics one that in five games. But what as to be disconcerting for the Sixers, when you really think about that is that was without Kyrie Irving that was without Gordon Hayward. Those guys are going to be back like I think that we would all agree. One, two t. Tin, the Celtics are the best team in the NBA. Now, one to six or seven, you're talking about different people perhaps, but one to ten, I don't think anybody's better than the Celtics. Now how much that matters when you get to the playoffs. That becomes his own discussion because the playoffs are really about one through eight, like having all those great guys at the end of the bench. That's not really the way this goals, right? It's one way when we get to the play offs, but I just want to start by taking this opportunity to say, I everybody who talks about how poor in mediocre the east is what is not interesting about the east. Really when you think about this somehow we are interleague remote. People think that the warriors are going to walk to a championship, but will then get in your face and tell you about how weak the east is. Now, how warriors going to a championship, if the west wing week two. Oh, all of a sudden your logic falls apart, doesn't it? Now? I do not believe that the warriors simply going to Walter this. I think the warriors are going to sleep walk through the regular season because they figured out that they can do that. Let us not forget. They had the greatest regular season of all time and that counter for what French call bupkus absolutely nothing, but I'm sitting here looking at the ease. These are all teams that I think are going to give you something interesting to pay attention to this year. They may not all be great, but I think they'll all provide something. That's interesting. Boston thing we'd agree. I mean, that was pretty obvious Philadelphia, Toronto Kawai Leonard joining in over there. I think Cleveland is actually going to be interesting and probably will be a playoff team. They should have enough talent to do that Detroit. I still think that. You're never gonna be able to convince me that having to really big, really talented guys, somehow a problem, especially now about away. Blake Griffin, shoots about thirty five percent from three and shoots about five or six of them a game. I mean, that's a credible. That's credible. It has basically all you need to big guy to beast ended out there is credible, Indiana. Yeah, that's interesting Milwaukee yet. That's interesting. I'm not really owned this trae young wagon, but some of y'all law shout out to Atlanta, Miami. I think that was interesting. Washington always interesting. Teams that I think we could count as being good or at the very least legitimately, talented, the Isa's guy, plenty the west when you go through it like Golden State. Yeah, the Lakers, of course. This is its own thing, right? Here's like the like the, I guess, of the west. The clippers, I guess Phoenix Sacramento, Dallas, even though they got dodgers that's still kind of, I guess, Memphis world. We got deer. Y'all go watch Denver, like air by. I was about halfway decent every is standing up and watching him games like the west bottom of the west is pretty me. Okay. San Antonio, we don't know what the hell that's even going to be. The bottom of that is pretty mediocre. The top is halfway decent, but only forget you don't forget to teams in the Westwood two games last year, two teams to teams in west one fifty games this year. Like we have a broad league that I think creates a lot for us to discuss. And I think at the top of the east, Boston is a team that I think ultimately challenge Golden State when it comes down to it. Depending on what Philadelphia becomes that one will be interesting. Toronto. Does kind of have one of the five best players in the NBA. We can't forget that. Like there's a lot that's going on Indian BA this year, but I'm run some by that. You may find interesting man, Florida. James came up with this. He was looking at four man lineups from last season over the best four man lineups interns in Neta physics you Netafim is plus might as of or one hundred possessions right now we're go over four, nine, five, yes, we know five people play at a time, but you'll get this. You know what? Team has three of the top four of these lineups three of the top four of these top man lineups. The sixers. Yeah, NBC Simmons and Covington. We're number one. Number three. M b Simmons Rettig in Covington and number four. This is where it gets interesting. Simmons Rettig Saric in Covington. No Embiid. But the idea that the Sixers could take 'em bead off the floor and still have a lineup that stacks up just about anybody in the NBA as you tell you a lot about them and we get into the place with them. Now throwing your boy full out there don't none of us know you know, being shoot gave to an off shoot. I know he took shot, but we know if he can shoot, you said your boy full. Who's Boise exact gotta, give them to somebody. We still don't know if he can shoot all the someone's trying to trade him to me in fantasy for someone else. I got whose name currently escapes me, but I said, no. So that just goes to show you how much confidence I haven't Foltz. I am impressed by the fact that you're capable of play fantasy basketball. I just can't do that. It takes too much. I can do football because all you gotta look at that and once or twice a week. Okay. Well, here's the thing though, about fancy basketball now I don't wanna be she'll for fancy basketball, but now you can sit your lineup for the whole week on just one fell swoop just with one click the button. Yeah, so I just play. It's fun. There you go. I ain't got EMMY so I cannot do that myself necessarily, but no, the Sixers, the Sixers are. I mean, they're going to be very interesting because what both of their young guys got exposed against the Celtics not exposed in a way that is necessarily permanent, but we went through the whole year like, so what have been some can't shoot, and then the Celtics are like, oh, here's what happens because. Simmons can't shoot the other thing that happened. There was Embiid and we realized that he's so big and he's so athletic and he can do so many things, but the Celtics are putting dues down there that were banging with him. And if he could make the move immediately, it wasn't there and he get the ball and he back up in Aaron Baynes. It would even be back up in our Horford get the ball, bang, bang, bang, three dribbles, right. But there was no move. There was nothing that he could do like he didn't have that element of Sutton to his game, but is the problem for guy. He's going to rack up. It uses rate of thirty three percent by when he gets the ball, he expects to shoot. That's what he wants to do. Teams go figure out what it is to do with him. They're gonna figure out what the doubles are and he's going to have to make that elevation. And then there's been Simmons where it's not even a matter of whether bins them is going to have to get better at shooting his going to have to get better at like shooting not shooting well, actually doing it like taking a basketball in jumping and hurling it from. Double digit feet away from the basket. He's actually going to have to do that. I can't wait to see how that he balls what happens with Boston. That one is going to be interesting to see what goes on because more interesting data from a man, Florida, James, the thing about kyri as went with that team and they did pretty well without him in the postseason just to be clear the per one hundred possession numbers. They were better retiree on the floor than they were with him off the floor, right? That's no question there. Plus five point three with them on the floor, a plus two point two with him off the floor. They're a much better offense team with on the floor one away point, seven physicist number with them on one on one point. Nine is the officials you never with him off, but they were a better defensive team without him like to the tune of about four and a half points per one hundred possessions that is not an insignificant difference. How they work this all together in that way is going to be interesting to gave you think about this man. Jason Tatum guy used shooting last year on his training with covy this summer. Yeah. So you know what that's gonna mean? Shots? Yes. More shots? Yes. And more shots? Not in the flow of the offense. Yeah. Like, how's this go because kyri Kyrie's not here to get your shot for you. That being said to Boston, have anybody who did that like their best playmaker is Al Horford. That was, I think the thing we learned last year is that their best playmaker was definitely Al Horford. And that's important because Horford is an exceptional playmaker, but also because there aren't there for that, that's that's not what they come here for. So now we're gonna talk about working kyri back in which we're gonna talk about working Gordon, Hayward Beck in, we'll tell you them. And as much as this new generation of kids seems to have a bit of shall we say, spree to core about a, it's great all of us here today. I just wanna play with a bunch of really good players. Everybody's got that how Jaylen Brown and feel about the fact that some of those shots he got used to come in, they're not going to be their house Terry Rozier going to feel about that. Hell, how much playing time is Teri are going to get because Kyrie's back Marcus smart, just signed an extension. How many of these lead guard types do you actually need like? I am fascinated to see how this all goes together because my history of watching the NBA has indicated that it is any rule two week arrive with only one ball. That's it. There's one ball and dunes like shoot dues like to contribute and dunes don't simply want to contribute by existing. Don't wanna simply contribute by setting screams. That's not no. That how this worked like Stevens is going to have to figure this out and look, this ain't coaching Butler. I, this is coaching NBA players with NBA egos and NBA expectations that being said, if they get it rolling as most of us reasonably expect them to do who board it can be scary. They can be scary and they absolutely can be a team that can beat the wars. I don't. I don't see any. I don't really understand how it is that people have watched the last three or four postseasons in just been so convinced that the warriors are so far ahead of the rest of the league that there is no intrigue as to who is going to win the championship. I don't. I just simply do not get it the first year. They won that championship when they got to play everybody. Not having a point guard. Remember that anyway. They were down to one, but the last three series, they were down to one. They're now, of course they came marching back. I don't want to pretend they didn't win these and it wasn't clear in those guys. They were the best team out there, but. It wasn't as though they just ran away from everybody the following season. Of course, you remember this, they were down three one against Oklahoma City came back to win. It were up three one against the Cavs came from a hit to lose it, but the fact that they were they down to somebody that was at three one, but it was the way that Oklahoma City did it. They did not try to do this by playing the same style, a ball of the warriors. They did it with big boys. They did it out there where at cantor and putting them twin tower types out there saying, look, this is going to be with our advantage it and they didn't just wall to anything through the course at last season eight in walk. Then it goes seven when Houston they did. I mean, I don't know. I just don't feel in these years that we've seen warriors do this. They have just been what's the playoff game. So much better than everybody knows regular season team. They got some things figured out and nobody's really been able to bring it to him in that way. But this is also a team last year that ain't man. They had to hold that thing. Now they're going to have more of the weirdness of Kevin Durant with the possibility. Kevin Durant is going to be out of here at the end of the year. None of this prominent. None of this is guaranteed every team that we've seen make a run like this. It's hard to keep together literally, as long as they had. They kept this thing together for four years, keeping a run together for four years. It's hard keeping run together for five show me who's done since Russell. Since the Bill Russell road who's done it. Those Larry bird's Celtics teams, they went to the finals four straight years that Lakers Kobe Shak squad. I mean, the run was really as like four out of five, but they're to three peat. I think there was the last to go three. Well, well, they got a three peat, but then they lost in the second round of that fourth year and they had to retool the whole thing to get charged up to get going for the fifth. And then they lost those NBA finals. So is for me, it's not simply about what are the warriors can three Pete is about this run starts with that twenty fifteen team. It's basically the same team now that they're going to ride out through the through twenty nineteen is just not promise that you keep this whole thing going in that way. So I do not believe that it is really responsible for people to say that this is going to just be, hey, the warriors, nobody can stop them. Now we're going to see how this season goes their teams over there in the east that have a lot. Lot of talent Olot of talent, and Boston can figure out a way to put together a decent defensive lineup that has kyri Irving on the floor. Because one thing about the the warriors, they don't have anybody then gar car. We've learned that. It has not it that whole they keep doing over and over again. Let's set screens until we get Steph curry out here gardens. Somebody that's a team that can pull that off. They got bigger stronger guys. They got Al Horford who is type of guy that you need can do this inside outside as a big man. Like he's not Draymond green, but he's not a terribly different player. I mean, look, they could ask our Horford go our Ben Simmons and Agajabey be and that's what means dre mongering special, right? They got the players that they have. Got this. Oh, and while we talk about all this game, did you hear the lebrons plays for the Lakers Lakers now he's there. He is there. It's starts this year, like as much as LeBron to the Lakers is of course the big story for general audience in it is of course a huge story for basketball fans. In terms of the actual intrigue of the NBA lay germs, who's going to win championships. We got so much stuff that we talk about. Before we even wind up getting LeBron so much that we can talk about before we end up getting LeBron it's amazing this league right now is so good and so strong and so interesting. And you know what makes us league even more interesting. It'd be a lot more interesting if both the Celtics and the pelicans woke up and realized they need to just go ahead and make this Anthony Davis trait. Now. Seriously. What do I know as a Laker fan? I'm hoping that we replace that green jersey with a purple and gold years. Yeah. Well, you know what? Maybe the leg to figure out what they got so they can train to get Anthony Davis. Right? But the way I look at it with Anthony Davis is. Guys in his position don't stay. They don't right. Russell Westbrook I guess is maybe the one that we could talk about, but buying large guys, his positions don't stay. They signed the first extension to get the money, and then the second one that they have in one year, they wanna go somewhere where they can win, do any of us reasonably believed, Oklahoma City mega soft place to with me New Orleans. Sorry, they're they're kind of the same place will they did play in Oklahoma City for a year there after Katrina is correct. There we go. Thanks for helping me out there and no Oklahoma City and not in the world are not these same place there, obviously very different. But in terms of like whether you'd stay there market size and stuff, they say place. As somebody about this, they would like, yeah. Well, you know, I just don't think Dave is gonna turn out the extra money that New Orleans offer him, and I'm like, all these cats turned down extra money to go somewhere else. You had to go win chip. Yeah, they all have even get a guy like why Leonard who had a chip. It was like, just want to get out of here like guys don't typically sign the second deal. If you wanna get a real trae package for a cat, like Anthony Davis now is the time to do what you want to put yourself in a position, not dissimilar from what Utah deal. And they just woke up one day and decided to trade during Williams, right? They got him out of somewhere around two years before his deal was up. So the team that got him wasn't just getting a flat rental, and then they had a chance to sell him on staying. And that is what they ultimately did in Brooklyn with him. With Anthony day and Kyrie Irving nother example, guy who wasn't goes on a second extension, but with Anthony Davis, unless the pelicans and I guess you can't say to yourself, we can't build a winner, right? Not if you got some measure of pride, but unless they really feel like they're gonna be able to build a championship contender with him. Then they need to recognize an Anthony Davis is probably gonna wind up leaving there. He put in his time very con- retires jersey down the Lom shop probably going need. Let do go. If you are the Celtics, you have to look up and you have to realize these rules are not set up for team to have it good players, and everybody gets really attached to who their guys are. You know, like if you if they came up, you'll system or whatever it is, everybody really wants to keep them, hey, man, you're not going to be able to keep all these dudes. I imagined that a couple of them are going to be willing to take a hometown discount on pay cut or something like that, but I still think that his deep is the Celtics are and how you might be able to put together team that can beat warriors. They still don't have a player that I truly believe is of legit, superstar caliber. And yes, that includes kyri if you're familiar with my work, you know my skepticism kyri you know, all the things that I think the Karbi does well, but I don't think if Kyrie Irving is your best player. I don't know how good that makes you as a championship team that being said, fifteen years ago, if you would have told me that Charles, you bills your best player, I would've told you could win a championship. They're either right, but smashed a hat. Anthony Davis has your best player. I feel a little bit different proudly. Dave is is like Eddie Dave's as your best player. Great. Drew holidays your number two player 'Second around probably second round Goan state. You need a really good second best player, right. And you know who's a really good guy to have your second best player kyri Irving. It's really, really good to have him as your second best player. If you have Jason Tatum is at their best player in Gordon Hayward, or is your fourth. And what Al Horford as your fifth hour. Although I think Alborz probably better player than Gordon Hayward and they will. We're talking about Jaylen Brown is your six best player like, oh, we're, we're cooking gas, was we get there? We are realized one hundred percent cooking with gas will they'll have to give up a couple of those nor to get AD. They're probably probably. But let's say, I mean if they want Jaylen Brown, thanks for the memories ghetto. Gordon Hayward, right? Like if if Gordon Hayward is as good as everybody was trying to tell me when they guy Gordon Hayward the thing twice about getting Jaylen Brown out of their scary. Cherry. Yeah, yeah. Go is down there. That's fine. We can make, you know it's good to have them, but he ain't really necessary. There's not a single player other than Jason Tatum that Boston has that I would not trade in order to put together a package to get Anthony Davis, not a single one. Let's say they had to put kyri into thing who would be made, let's say they had to put in the trait, right? All right. Anthony Davis, Jason Tatum. I'm still at the front of them including Kyrenia treated the pelicans all bag. You furious guy. We would be they called into the office for that. Just thought you might. Yeah. So you like jazz. How about bounce music music? Oh, really? What about women with gorgeous? Beautiful accents like that. 'cause got a place which might wanna consider going ooh, bad zone team. He would. He would have his OT, but you'd over that team will be playing. A team will be playing equinoxes or twenty-five fitness or somewhere else. Because kyri eighty show it to the facility. They did that guy. We keep going to practice with the Celtics like little guys. I just wanna stay in shape why? Oh, by new team. No question. No question as we why do? But I think I think the Anthony Davis moved is the mood to be made. I know they thought a great deal about it. I know that. I wonder how last year changed things over the Celtics in the way they perceive themselves. Because what I do know is that they had had talks about, hey, what is the time to get like an Anthony Davis caliber player, like I know that they talked about win that was going to come. But I feel like the second half last season kind of accelerated things with them because they got development out of Brown and Tatum at a time that I don't think they thought they were going to get it because they had to write. They had to become those guys who were ready to step it up in these moment. Like think about this with Celtics right now gate, how many guys do they have that can get their own shots. Kyri can get his own shot. Haywar can get his own shot. I kind of feel Jalen Brown can get his own shot. You'll three dudes that in the playoffs can get their shots. Who does a lot you get Anthony Davis, and you got a guy that can get his own shot and is an elite elite defensive player. I really don't know what it is that they are waiting on. I do not has as we go gave. How many wins you think you'll boys the Lakers are going to be able to get. I think fifty is kind of the Mark where people are like at, you know, over under level and I'll take the over. I don't know. I think around fifty. Keeping my on last year's Cavs. Only one they did they get to fifty or were they right? Hoping the forties. I want to say it's under fifty. That's where they were. That's where they were with LeBron that team last year. This team. I mean, I think that is running a fascinating experiment. What this team is. Honestly team has put together by point guard who just like I want a bunch of guys out there who can get shots. Other people problem is they'll be getting a lot of shots for people who can't shoot. All right. We'll be back to talk about this issue AA trial in just a second. But first these days you could practically get everything on demand, Mike, the right time whenever you want when it's convenient for you, did you know you can even get postage on demand, all you need to stamp dot com stance dot com. You can access all the services of the post office right from your desk when it's convenient for you, buy print real US postage for any letter. Any package using your own predator? All available twenty four hours a day. Seven days a week. Just click print and mail and you're done with how easy it is a really don't get what everyone doesn't do it already stamps dot com. 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Like fifteen years ago, this is from page everywhere where I am shocked at this is nobody seems to care like, look, I I saw store yesterday that Dan was name Bill self Bill. Self is tied up in the text messages about paying a player, right? Like he is tied up in thing. Do you know where that story was on ESPN dot com. Headlines buried. It was the seventh story numbers. We have a coach's name actually tied up in the payment of players. We have had a Sistan coaches at big time programs whose names have come in directly tied to paying players. Y'all go, nobody cares with Patino. It's like, oh, bookers. Yes, heaven forbid on a college campus but paying players. That's cool. Yeah, it will as the I do think pay players. Cool. Just to be clear. Oh, yeah, I'm just y'all don't lie. Not audio listening to me, you know, selection bias and stuff like that. But the other y'all's, y'all care about this. This is the thing. This is historically been something that everybody wants to shut down and no, no, we're not. We're not getting this. We're not getting any of the reaction. We're not getting like any media coverage whatsoever about this. This is a headline from Yahoo of Dan Wetzel who's done amazing work on this fake affairs charger driving great grandma's, three hundred thousand dollar expense accounts inside a routine day at the hoops trial. Like there's so much material here. So much material that is here is kid Billy Preston who had to Kansas. They'll never actually play the cans because he got tied up in this as some point. He takes his momma and his. And he told his momma too, you know, people don't ask me about two car and he's an texted. You don't know. You don't know how to call was taken care of sit and then she sends again, you hear me all caps. You don't know gave is mama's telling him, don't talk to the police. You don't know who could be watching us right now. I read his mom like y'all loose lips, sink ships. This is not like this is not how I raised, you know, but I'm just like, I, it's not as though the fact that this isn't a bigger story is some measure of progress in the way that we observe these things. We're still all caught up in the wrong stuff. It is. Is this simply a reflection to the of the declining interest in college basketball. I, I kind of feel like it is man, especially this time of year right before the season is even started snot even on people's radars look, man, we got the fifteen thousand dollars if somebody gave the eight when he was in high school, somebody gave what was it? The Andrei homeboy was just getting paid just to be cool with him. Yeah, they they just needed. They needed. Whoever was around him. Dennis Smith got somewhere between forty and eighty thousand dollars of a deed is money. Oh, by the way to sign with Under Armour, ultimately. This dude, gas Nola Brun. He got on a plane with forty gees in cash to give to an NC state assistant to give Dennis Smiths family because the assistant did not trust the game enough for the money to get deer. He had to get it himself. Man. This is not a story like this is not a thing that people are interested in talking about, like I wanna talk about things like this jazz because they are fascinating. Almost feel like I need to do a better job of encapsulating what's going on so that we can go like next week and just talk about it, but a hell of talking about, listen to this headline. Another headline from Yahoo, black ops mission, hoops bag, man details how he offered, quote, help to college basketball programs, like Kansas, Gabe, black ops mission, visited the lead of the story as part of the Adidas America's so called quote, black ops division TJ gas Nola had been explicitly instructed by his bosses not to detail in writing any payouts to high school and college players on the company's behalf. Adidas didn't want any information out there that might find its way to an NCWA case or presumably even federal fraud trial like the one being held here in lower Manhattan. Couple things to consider here. Number one you had to. Tell people not to write down criminal stuff. This is why people watch compliments show billions men like you had to do that. Let's go number two, where I have questions about this lead. I'll never forget. These guys were only looking out for NC double a. investigation. They didn't have any concern about the fish show enough, like what's rights in here. Presumably even a federal fraud trial, they were never thinking about no federal fraud trial. All people were trying to do was trying to stay out of the way the NCW and then the fans came in. Like, what are we doing here? They have tried so hard because you know the case that the fans are making is that these people who have been involved in this shenanigans behavior that they actually defrauded the schools. The schools are being presented as the victims in this case. Did you know that part? No. Yeah. The schools are being presented as the victims accept all the evidence that's coming out here is indicating that the schools are in on the game. We had no idea. This is shocking. Did you see where what's his name? Bill self in the text that he was sending. He made it a point to say in the text, this is just how the game is played. The new reality. Yeah. But then he says, just like at UNC and do because they what he wanted to make sure they understood that Abe see be doing to be doing news, right? Because UNC is an interesting one because UNC is a program has always comported itself with the level of sanctimony that had to come apart when the at the academic stuff came around. Right? Like it was so every time UNC got caught in something I could not stop laughing and the reason I couldn't stop laughing. I went to grad school there. I've been around there yeoman there. So sanctimonious in came all crashing down on them. And now all of a sudden you had to school that it always bragged about how he'd never got it. Is he AA trouble now trying to explain to you that the AA is a crooked corrupt operation whose opinions should not be trusted sommes and how that goes Penn State? They felt the same way. That was bragged about this stuff about having ways he AA violations and all that. Okay. Coup, ROY waves z. become out and been like, man, I don't think this is all of college basketball. He's like, I don't do business like this. I have never gone through anybody who was not a family member or designated by family member as the person to talk to to get through a player, which by the way that part, I believe ROY is adamant about own light, not going through handlers middleman and stuff like that. Like he's got some people that he trusts them eight you guys, he'll trust, but no Roy's adamant about only going through family on stuff. And honestly, they've had recruiting shortcomings to indicate that this is the way that it goes with him, but he says, I've never had a sneaker company recruit for you. I would not be surprised if ROY never told a secret company to recruit for him. But would you think companies just sitting around watching? Not a worry, ROY. Got what you kidding me. What you think Nike leader stuff in the hands or ROY Williams. His moral compass of UNC. He's no. No, you're not gonna sell me on that. Sorry, it's not happening. You like you're not gonna make me believe that the shoe company has never gotten involved in a UNC recruitment, right? Even ROY didn't ask for you. Never go convince me. She chassis got himself in trouble where people got MAG. Cesky did his press conference. And Mike said that this is just a blip and this is not all of college basketball. This is all of college basketball, right? We knows all the college basketball because damn near all college. Basketball is tied up in this game. Creighton was trying to give somebody a hundred thousand dollars that money coming from increasing from the shoe company, right? Mike Creighton. Do you know if you pay a lot more money to get me to go to Creighton because if you willing to pay me one hundred thousand dollars to get me to go to Creighton, EMMY somebody willing to pay me something to go somewhere else right somewhere that is not Creighton don't mean to like a quick gate here, but doesn't this kind of strike as like Rafael Palmeiro on Capitol Hill? I did not take steroids. Yeah, to a degree. Right. Like it to a degree it does. I say I do believe part of what ROY is saying is true. I do believe that or at the very least he believes is true, but I think it's incredibly naive to believe that Nike is never had any involvement in a recruitment evolve into Carolina player. Now she's. Asking what he's like, this isn't a game. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It does feel a little bit. Yeah, I did not have sexual. That woman. Yeah, but you know what? The other thing you gotta remember it's coaches don't bring. Oh, yeah. So you're not gonna get any coach part of the code? Yeah. Yeah. You're not really going to get any coach that goes hard like in that way. That's, that's. That's not going to be it. And also, yeah. Do you're not gonna tell me you're gonna tell me the Nike and had nothing to do with any of these guys that they've been good? Nothing at all, especially in the last. Like what? Five to ten years one and done started drilling into Duke. Yeah, part of the game now. Yeah. Well, I mean part of it, of course, was Duke started. The team USA thing became big. They started getting earlier access the guys. There was reason why chefs he started suggests he stopped showing up to a you tournaments in Duke gear started showing up in USA basketball here, which is Nike. Yeah, do there's that there is that. Yeah. So let's get that outweigh. But she says he's right this blip. There's gonna path college. Basketball has survived much worse than this. I was a watching some of the Dan chloride movie. The basketball love story, which by the way that has been like a super duper push for it on the network, they're running it on different nights, but listen to me, sincerely, if you really like basketball, you're going to love the chlorophyll. I've saw about two hours of it. I went to the premiere of it and you gotta realize there were twelve hall of famers into Bill for that premier, and he's all cats that were in the film and it's not one, long, continuous story. It's a bunch of vignettes that are done, and one of them was on the point shaving scandals in New York City college basketball in the nineteen fifties. Now, that was a thing like that was real. If figured it out, they made it, they survived. Like we've seen these things come up and what the reason that I agree with your shifts that this is a blip yoda's trial, and even a news. The newspaper somewhere, but it's not. It is not part of our consciousness. They Wednesday. So you know you do like sports, elevated sports, radio, whatever it is gave you tested his Wednesdays, things. Content wise, slow news, man wins all our Wednesday is always hard winds day of this week will not get slow enough that this trial is gonna make front center. It's not even with all the what used to be salacious things involved in it and look. And when I say used to be, I don't even mean that long ago I'm talking like five, six, seven years ago, maybe ten. You can still make a big scandal out of something like this, at least in twenty twelve. You'll can't get no traction with this. And I, it makes me think of something that would North Carolina, North Carolina got in trouble. People justifiably had a question it concern as to whether or not this is being ignored because of the strength of the North Carolina brand name and nobody wanted to sully it anymore than it already been sullied Datta dine, all that stuff. Right. And that was a fair question for people. To ask is the question now simply that people don't care and therefore it doesn't get more attention. 'cause like really federal trial with dollar amounts and cars and funny stuff, and you didn't know most of that stuff until I told you right here. All right. I don't really wanna be labor this because sometimes I feel like everyone to buy feel like I'm picking on right, like voice, ample like Kobe Bryant out. He's, he doesn't think that I pick on him, but I understand that a lot of y'all think that I hate Kobe Bryant, and that's not true. Hsien he eight scope. Me. I don't hate Koby. Anymore. There was certainly a time in my life where I could say that I hate Kobe Bryant valid before became the professional that I am. Right, right. Of course not. This is legit though about Kobe. There are very significant things about him that I respect in a very real way a way that goes beyond basketball. You know, I, I've said this on many times I don't know gave you've heard me talk about this, but there's a story about win Dwight play for the Lakers and he's trying to get his get his a game right on free throw line, and he's talking to Kobe about it and he has Kobi what to do and Kobe's sit shoot at the thrills and twice light to shot a million free throws Kobe's like no, shoot at thousand free throws because Dwight had told him that he was afraid of missing. He said, look, shoot, a thousand free throws. You're gonna miss some of those two. Right by over Kobe. The whole thing is being able to take in stride. The fact that sometime you're going to miss to not be afraid of failure. I could argue that he was too unafraid of failure, but I have such a colossal respect for that outlook, right. His thing is I prepare myself for this moment in this moment I will do what I can, and I will live with the results because I prepared for this young man. I have all the respect in the world at Kobe was trying to wrap AC, Kobe go out there and just start somebody question whether or not Coby Coby battle you right there because he was just not afraid of failure. I would be so afraid of making a rap album. Nine say that, but I would be so afraid of making a rap album because I would really just not want you ought to be clowning me. I'll be real about it is on what you ought to be clouded. Kobe ahead in him, and I respect it in a very real way. That being said, he's over eight a basketball player, who is the last of the great volume scores that is a little bit deified by people in a way that makes it impossible to have a rational conversation about what he actually is. He is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. He is nowhere near the discussion of the greatest, but he is one of the greatest and there's no shame and being one of the greatest basketball players of all time. None. Why am I talking about Kobe? That wasn't the plan. I am going to make a transition that a lot of you will find to be hilarious because I am going from talking about Coby and his greatness because I want you to be clear that I believe is great to talk about the least great athlete I have ever talked about, and that would be the Peterman. Peterman had to come into the game because Josh Allen was hurt and Gabe. I don't know if you saw this, but to Peterman led his team to a touchdown. And then through a pick six and then threw another pick after pick six. So he led them to to to the win. And then they had a buck and change left. They got the ball on twenty and they are get ready for the two minute drives game, right? They're about to go. Wind is game. Peterman through a pick that you knew. The second left is hand was pick six. You knew it the db nuit. Everybody knew second through it. Six. Oh, do to pick six. And you know, whenever the Peterman do some, everybody hit me up about it. Right. And I feel bad because I don't want to pick on the Peterman because it's not well two things one. It's not the peterman's fault that his name's Peterman, which the impromptu meet a call him the Peterman. It is also not the peterman's fall today. Keep putting him in games. He don't ask to get him games. He don't request to be into game. They keep putting Peterman in these games that he has no business being in. And that's why just don't want to seem like I'm out here picking on Peter Peterman. I'll go out of my way to find reasons to talk about Peter, you know, I, you engage getting to the people that when you suggested that we talk about Peterman I was like, I really don't know if I got it in me to talk about Peter May. I know. And I said, we've got to give the people what they want to Peterman. So to came out there and forgot indepedence threw another interception after the first pick six. The Peterman is positive, whereas quarterback that I have ever seen. Legitimately he might be the worst quarterback that I've ever seen, and I'm not exaggerating, nose, mouth voices raised about this. He just he just so bad. And now Josh Allen, they say he might be out for weeks, which means they got two options play Peterman play Derek Anderson. Let me tell you something about air gaps. Derek Anderson just spent the last. About five, six years with Panthers. He was Cam Newton's backup. And for those of you who were unaware there was absolutely a segment of the Carolina panther fan base that really thought that they would be better off it. They just put Derek Addison there. I am not lying no dead up dead up. It would not take much for a talk radio, which boy to fill up with people talking about put their against into game. And yes, I said switchboard. Those things still exist gave dig. Addison has played the last seven seasons with the Carolina Panthers seven seasons. The most passes that he threw in a season was ninety seven, and that was in twenty fourteen. And I believe that was the year Cam got hit by that car. You remember that I remember. Yeah. So he started two games that year. He threw fifty three passes in two thousand sixteen. He threw eight passes last season. Dare gander. Sohn is not here to play football. Derek Anderson is here to be on the team. He is thirty five years old. I don't think Derek Anderson actually wants to play. If you were thirty five years old, would you want to actually go out there and play some football. He's got a pretty cushy job right gets paid, doesn't have to play. It's kinda like may stop playing attention as right up in attention. I don't think about this for a second. You remember that game. I think it was last year where Cam done something, and I think it was late to the plane or something like that. And so they suspended him for series the open a series of the game, except they didn't really suspend him for the opening series of the game. They suspended him for open and play it a game, and they helper to open and play the game because the open series was Derek Anderson throwing an interception. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You remember that that they brought Michael Vick into replace Gino Smith. He ate even like not plays dog. He he wasn't there to play. He came to be a mentor. He came to bring donuts. He did not come to play, but now I think Diana Rossini she said that they might have to play Derek Anderson because you can't go look them other cats. I put to Peterman back into game after this, you lose your whole team if you thought a Peterman out there. Remember when they tried to benched tyrod Peterman except they couldn't bench with a Peterman because if they put the Peterman back out there, they lose the whole team. How did you bring Peter? And back this year they brought Peter ban bet. So now is either going to be Peterman or dare gander Sohn who probably doesn't want to be out there playing football. And also, I don't know if you know this guess who has a pretty good defense this year. The Buffalo Bills, right? We talked about them being a potential, oh, in sixteen team. And that was doing that seem to be legit before they went up there and they did what they did against the Vikings where they went up there, but that defense, I think they're one of the top five or six teams in a measure called expected points. It's kind of difficult to explain, but their defense is like, that's a good thing to be in the top five or six in the expected points like that. That is something that you want to be that is a place that you wanna be. I'm trying to find where they are on, but no, they are. They've got a pretty good defense this year. They, I promise you. They do everything else. However, gate stinks to high heaven. And that includes. You know the quarterback situation, so would you, would you think about feedback, but would you the pita banshee? Do. I think that the Peterman should just do what Derek Anderson did before. Don't play me. Man ever don't play me. All right. What are you guys pin attention to me? Let me let me tell you how bad buffalo is Buffalo's defense and is a in his Devi away number that I was giving you. They are seventh in the league in defense of Devia way. They are last in f. l. d. away how bad does your office have to be for that to be the case. You understand what I'm saying here. That's how bad. Oh my God, you're so bit. They are so bad. Did you see also by the way that, oh my God. Listen to this. I don't even understand how these numbers work, but I'll just, I feel like telling you this will will be satisfactory. So you know, eras stinks, right? Arizona's offensive Devia way is negative twenty nine point eight percent. Okay, you women, you hear me. I'm with the Cleveland is negative twenty two. So Cleveland is thirtieth team in the league and negative twenty two. Negative twenty nine point eight is the cardinals guess we're buffalo is. Native one hundred negative fifty one point eight. Oh yes. Yes. Jobs from twenty two to twenty nine to fifty one. That's how bad day are. That's how bad they are. It might be worse with Derek Addison, but deer Aghanistan is not. That that is the job scripted. You see what Peterman got up there and he asked me about it and he's like, I found myself in my faith in Jesus Christ. I do not define myself. Football player would a good man. Yes, sir. Good Christian man right there. I mean, it's time to retire like it's a wrap because he's right on that man. Good for you. Do not define yourself by football. You absolutely should not define yourself as a man as football player, and I applaud him if he is able to really shake this off and not be taken down because he has confidence in himself and his faith, whatever it is, right. I really do applaud him for that, and I applaud him for that because if he did to find himself as a football player, his, he would defy himself like he would be booboo like as a human because he is the most boo. Boo, quarterback I ever seen that would that would that would be booed Peterman that that that would be who he was all the time when he went outside. If he defined himself as defined of football player, you have the right idea buddy. You really, really, really do have the right idea. But the fact that he's talking about this at this point as it is the fact that he's talking about himself like day and we ain't even talking about some anomalous performance. It was just another day at the office. Son all working on your resume. Like I'll mean disrespect, I'm not even picking on you. And honestly, I don't even feel like I need to say this to him. I pretty sure that he is aware of this on his own. I, if I, if I had to guess what he was doing on that law flight black back home from Houston, here's all linked in seeing. Was out there. You got to. Anybody if that is how is going for you, man, you gotta start looking into something else. No matter what it is. I don't out as he did. He finish his degree because if not. Audio quarters at Pittsburgh. Is it too late to get in all on classes? Is it. There's the radio life after something like that happened. You really looking at the rest of your life. So if he needs to finish up his degree, no, seriously, I really want to go up there. Finish up a degree. Maybe you study something allergy, right? Understand what's behind you. Faith do all that. Yeah, I'm with you. Feel free. Go ahead. Get to a place that you wanna be baby pleased because 'cause because. This ain't it. You can't be on top of all the news information of the day. No need for the social media feeds. We got you. Now, if you haven't heard I Monty first story the day comes from using. Hi, I'm Aaron Williams with Uproxx. I'm the hip hop editor, and I wrote a post about Drake appearing on the Brian. James is HBO talk show the shop where LeBron James discusses current events and hot button topics of the day with other athletes and musical figures in an environment modeled after the traditional black barbershop. In this week's episode LeBron spoke with Drake about Drake's explanation for why he backed down in the against push t. Drake's explanation for why he was involved in a beef with pussy and by extension. Kanye west was very intriguing, Drake himself. Out his reactions to push tease this record, the story of Addie Don, how he responded to push tease this is against his family and friends. And of course, the fact that he feels like he is okay with not being accepted by rap purists. So it was a tremendous interest to the overall hip hop community which does overlap with athletes quite often. My thing about it. Man dre started talking like that yoga type, right. Well, he was like, yeah, you know, I didn't put the energy into him. I put that energy into myself and he told the bra. I was afraid that I had let you down by not responding and all of this stuff. And I guess people found to be touching and maybe there really was touching and maybe he did have all those thoughts as to why it is that he chose not to respond by the way. He really hates gonyea like a special way. He really hates gone yet. But yeah, so he did all that. He said all that, and that's fine. But I heard Jay press say that he told Drake, not release. Another wreck. And honestly Drake for me, that was an adequate explanation. I like prince said, wouldn't go beano mode. This is going to be no is you don't. You don't need me. Anything you don't need to sell me on his UNITA mythology is is you don't need to ask. Nobody's forgiving, man told you to stop. Okay. Over on that, that's a wrap. I don't know why you don't understand it. We, we stopped questioning you after that. My third part about it was when Drake look at Braun who is lake. 'cause I texted you, right? I texted you. And I said, what should I do? And you gave me the like the relisted vice ever and it was just like, they looked at each of those like, oh, yeah, because we're boys like that. Right, right. Braun, right, right rewards. Right. If they was really boys, you would have got into locker room after that championship when Drake looking good. You. He's always on the home team right team. All right. Story number two, the day comes from tech. I'm Washington Post tech columnist, Jeffrey. Fowler there's a new video camera out there called the portal that sits in your living room and makes video chats with friends and family look. Great at has just one problem. The portal was made by Mark Zuckerberg last week, Facebook, unveiled this thing, the first ever consumer hardware from the social network. The portal cost, two hundred bucks or three hundred fifty for larger version called the Puerto plus and is kind of a cross between a smart speaker video camera and digital photo frame. It offers a nice upgrade to the Skype or FaceTime video chat experience. Many of us have on a phone or computer the portal sits on a shelf on your kitchen. Counter a met your voice, do the callings. You just ask portal to call any of your Facebook friends. It's got Amazon's Alexa built inside too, and it's got a cool kind of unique trick. Like a personal cinematographer. The camera identifies this group of people and pans zooms to make sure their own. Always in the frame so you can wander around the house into chores, but keep video chatting with mom, but there's an elephant in the room, and that's privacy. Just a few days after Facebook announced the portal also announced a security breach impacted some thirty million accounts and Facebook's privacy and data practices are of course also a matter of congressional inquiry. Facebook does appear to have learned some lessons, Facebook in your friends. Can't just look into your house. Anytime they want the portals video chats are in cryptic and not recorded. The Puerto also has a button on the top. That cuts, it's microphone and camera. So the question is how many people would trust Facebook camera and their house in twenty eighteen. No. Perry nine then not Alexa. No bad enough. I got this damn phone to be reading my mind when I want to search for something. Do you have a a piece of tape over your camera on your phone? No, I don't, but I guess I should, but I feel like it's too late now is to, I feel like anything you see me? No, no, no. I'm not putting a Facebook Facebook spy in my house doesn't does it feel a little too late to you for the for the Facebook portal? I feel like they're trying to capitalize and get into this kind of like Skype market and all that sort of stuff and show them who's boss and make it better and all this stuff. But it's like they kind of took something from like a scifi movie like, oh, you know what? You don't want people used to. They used to hope that they could talk to somebody on screen in their house and it's like kit. They already do that. Here's where I think the the mistake is on this, though, is that people have demonstrated they're willing to give Amazon their data. They don't like the fact that they give it to Facebook. Therefore, then putting yellow Cameron the house. Like, I don't know anybody that there are people who still love Twitter as brand, not only my two loves Facebook. Anybody. Two inch bed PR and it's just gun spooky. Story. Number three of the day actually comes from Amazon in its business. So Amazon wanted to make a tool that would use artificial intelligence define job candidates online. They wanted to Pergamon that would just crawl around the internet, looking for talent and rate those people on a scale of one to five sort of the way a customer rate at toaster Amazon's website. Unfortunately, the experiment didn't really pan out. There are a lot of problems, but one of the big ones was the tool immediately started discriminating against women. And the reason why has to do with the way machine learning works, programmers train algorithms to spot patterns using old data. So when you want to teach a program to recognize a picture of a dog, for instance, you give it a bunch of picks of, you know, retrievers and terriers to learn from in this case, Amazon tried to teach its program to spot good job candidates. I giving it old resumes from people who had applied to the company before. Unfortunately, the tech industry is so heavily dominated by men that the tool learned to prefer male job candidates, Amazon shelved the experiment and says, it's recruiters. Never quote relied solely on its rankings, unquote, but it's a good case study in what can go wrong when you ask computers to make decisions. I just said this thing about Amazon. Here we go. Now that I'll look Amazon still. Wow. Hey, man. Keep this brief redeemed. That's all just doomed what I want, what a, what a robot to hire stupid is that the phony part that I found about this is like, you know, Jordan were saying that they, they use previous resumes to kind of sort out who would be good higher. It's like, oh, nothing's come out about how hiring practices weren't the best maybe in the past and you haven't making it mid any improvements on that. They will understand, man, you know, we talk about right now. D robots, only hire, dude, you know what? He robots go star hiring. Robots. We do. We are doomed. Have you ever watched the game in thought, wow, I didn't know they still play well, you're not alone the right time. We'll go money Jones. Asked the question. Is he still in the league. Oh, NBA is back. Today, and back is the segment still Louis go. So the first one I've got for you, Pablo pre Joni. Yeah, field. Oh, okay. Not in the league, and I only say that because he's got to be like forty three years old. You're correct on? Yes. You're correct on that one next one for you. Pay you? Do. Ooh. You follow me on Twitter. But I have not kept up that closely. Follow him. I'm going to say. In the league. Yes. You're correct on that one with the Utah Jazz currently follow? I do. I feel like though is back in the league. Back in the league after having been out for a minute? Yeah, I feel like he took a look this up. As we sit here. I feel like he, he was outdoors, you know what I'm saying buy when you go out and explore the world. I feel like a lot of times with those type of players, it's like, oh, no, man, I should be getting more playing time. I'm go over to Europe. He did spend a couple of years overseas, Godley outdoors. All right. Next guy got for you. Quincy pond exter-. Ooh, positition quite a while. He's. Yes, he is. Oh, Utah. Currently with the Spurs actually think in Memphis, but he's. Wow, put some respect. What Spurs is doing. Bodies, man, they got to this point. Going to cave last year, put a bull's. Well, you know, maybe they think they're getting Memphis. Quincy pond exter-. Wow, I'm stunned next guy got for you. Gary temple Garrett temple. Yes, I believe he plays with the Washington Wizards. He's with the grizzlies, but he is still in the league. Oh, wow. I mean as being the grizzlies still being in the league, everybody the same thing. Yeah, I don't know. At this point. Makes you wanna got for you. Martell Webster. Wow. Not in the league. You are correct on that one also had to be old now. He's like LeBron's age. He's feel like with those guys that come out of high school, people just think that they're young all the time, you know, and have this kind of Jamal, Crawford thing going for them and it's like, no, no, they do not the age the same as everyone. I will say this though there was like a five year period. I had totally forgot about Joe western. I look up, but I think he was on a team in the playoffs. I was like, when did this happen? Might have been the wizards you might be right. Next one I got for you. Nick council. Nicholson. Okay. So the question is, is new college still play thunder is that's the only team that he would be. That's the question us. Google it. I'm gonna say no. Yes, you're right. He is currently retired. Why did you retire? You retire? You ever seen that picture too? That one wife he hid. I did not know give it a truck. I gotta show to run you man. I'll do that while I'm guessing. One of these give it a try just just just Google Nicholson wife. I just wanna see. Okay, say none of body. Okay. Okay. Next one I got for you tolliver. All right. Now I'm going to stall this out. So that you can Google Nick, collison, wife and look at images. And I'm going to say that on fortunately, I know the answer to this Anthony tolliver as a certain story in the news required me to check out who was there to pertinence personally witness, Jimmy Butler losing his mind. Yeah, that was the dead giveaway. The only reason did you go? I did. I did see a government digit. Especially Nick collison. Sick of it. Either. Boy, nothing better that that real in time reaction. Next one I got for you, Jared, Dudley Jared, Dudley. Is this the last one one more go to the other one just because Jay deli at the US open. And so he told me he was playing put in it. You know what I you ra- mentioned that you mentioned that unappreciative podcast that was a slip by me. That's the only reason I do that. Otherwise, I would have been a nominal question. This last one I got for you. Vince Carter. Alba say yes, just because I feel like somebody would have called and told me if it's God hit. Finally, retired. I did go through like a four straight year period where he was the captain of the squad that really can't be serious is the way it's Carter's still in the league. Oh yeah. He is a member of the Atlanta Hawks. Joe. Does this quarter or not like his wife or does Vince Carter just love basketball because it's not just that he's hanging in the league. He'd be playing some. Sorry teams. Vince Carter is just of the mind of keep getting them check by guess he's like, if I'm going to be playing basketball anyway, I might as well get paid. He plays for whatever team pays him. That's how much he's for a little bit, but he's like, look, if I was going to go who pay equinoxes then I might as well go hoop at Staples Center. If is body still allows. I mean, did you see that Carter documentary on flicks the Carter effect that LeBron his people have heard about it, but I didn't see it. Interesting. All right. We'll leave it at there for suing the league. So good at it. Tom in other people could play along at home. Yes, I got a huge roster of good ones here, so we'll we'll return to this segment. Joining us here on the right time. We do this couple of times a week. My main Gabe essay, handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Thanks. That opposed to help us with. If you haven't heard thanks to Aaron Williams of Uproxx check out his story on drags interview with LeBron on the shop on Uproxx dot com. Thanks to Jeffrey. Fowler the Washington Post, check out his story about the new Facebook portal at Washington Post dot com. And thanks to Jordan, Weisman of slate, and he gave us the story about Amazon trying to use robots, but they'd be discriminating. Yeah. All right. Wiseman also hosts a podcast called working started good friends at stamps dot com. Our sponsor for this episode. Remember subscribe to the podcast ESPN app, apple podcasts, wherever you go ahead and do that rate us review, give us five stars. You only give us four. I'm inclined to think you're a hater you guys in a couple of days. Unicom's will join us football like other stuff. Thanks for checking out the right time with Monty Jones podcast. You can listen or subscribe on the ESPN app apple podcasts or every listen to podcast the right time with the Mani Jones.

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"Podcast. Got some action here. I was getting all excited Andrew Han. Wait a minute. First off, what am I supposed to say here, Andrew Brian win horse and the hoop collective talking about trading. Anthony davis. Subscribe Brayton review. Also. Good morning. Hello. Yes. Thank you. We have Royce young and Oklahoma City, and Royce I was all excited to talk about. Nicholson's retirement ceremony and Kevin Durant coming back to attend it. That was what I was all excited talk about today. And then at six AM eastern seven eastern, maybe we had three alarm fire. And so we've also brought in our analyst extraordinary in Seattle. We'd get up very early. Kevin pelton. Hello, kevin. I got the dreaded call me as soon as you see this message from editor this morning. So I knew something was up. Oh boy. When what was it just some trade deadline fodder? And we've got Josh back in Bristol spinning the dials for this. So. Well, I don't like to do this do call backs and stuff. But if you listen collective last week, I said that it was a really important week for the New Orleans pelicans. And they had a bad week. They lost several close games. I Davis finger wasn't deemed to be that bad. But he's going to be out and d day is finally arrived. Rich, paul. He handled this kind of by the book guys. He Anthony Davis told his teammates. Rich, Paul formally informed. The team that won. He doesn't intend to sign the extension which was a decision that was made a while ago. Actually. And that he would like to be traded. Then rich went on the record informed several media outlets, including agent in our ski at ESPN on the record. Not sources said he he said on the record. I I don't think it's legal to DASS for trade. I don't know if you I don't know if your agent can do it. So I don't know if he's facing a fine. But that's not all that important right now before we get into this. I'm just going to say that the decision that that that he was not gonna sign the extension was made a while ago. There was a meeting that Anthony Davis had with Rich Paul in Cleveland at the beginning of January. The pelicans had a road trip out east. They played in Brooklyn had a really tough loss there had two days off and then played in Cleveland during that two day time off. Cons- came to Cleveland and rich met with Anthony Davis. And at that time there were there were those of us in the league sort of on the balls of our feet on high alert, what was gonna come out of that meeting? There's a lot of people aware of it. And what ended up coming out of it was they're gonna stick with the status quo. But they had decided that they were they were not gonna sign the extension. It was really just a matter of whether Anthony was gonna play the season out or not and the pelicans were in like twelve or thirteen th place at the time. But they you know, they Anthony was not ready to to punt on the season. And. That was the message that went out we stood down. Just keep monitoring it. And then we have the events of the last ten days, which was Anthony got hurt on his finger out in Portland shut him down for a period of time. The pelicans just kept losing kept losing. And I think this is relevant, and I'm not saying that had they gone out and done something that would have turned their fortunes, but the pelicans have done zero with their roster. Nothing. I realized they've had a lot of injuries. But there is nothing happened with that roster from training camp. Until now you look at the Houston Rockets, they had all these injuries. Daryl Morey cycle twenty different guys in and out. He went out and found a way to get Kenneth for read. He went out and found a way to get Austin rivers brought in two guys and did all this stuff fighting scrapping, clawing doing everything. He can then you've got del Dem's in the pelicans doing nothing, not a single solitary move and. I think I'm not saying that if they had been one to get Kenneth read that it would have changed anything, but a lack of activity by the pelicans. And so that's the soliloquy. So pelton what is your initial reaction to? Now, what the what the sequence of events will be. I mean, my initial reaction is that everything kinda hinges on what the Boston Celtics tell the pelicans in the next couple of weeks here because you know, swimming, that they're even willing to like say, hey, Jason Tatum might be on the table this summer when we can trade for Anthony Davis without including Kyrie Irving. I think you kind of have to wait if you're the pelicans because it seems likely that a Celtics package, headlined by Tatum is going to, you know, Trump whatever you can get from another team, and certainly what you can get from another team before the trade deadline. Royce waited you think well, I mean, it's obviously first of all it's very it's just disappointing in the sense for New Orleans pelicans fans, and I know that's kind of a fan base that a lot of people overlook in the league. But there are a lot of fans a lot of very good fans in New Orleans, and and basketball New Orleans has been an tenuous place for a number of years now, and you know, a player of the star caliber of Anthony Davis is there's very few players that carry the kind of bait that that he does. And even he, you know. If you remove him from New Orleans than I fear that basketball, New Orleans could go to kind of a dark place. So this is this is a critical juncture for the franchise. I think in New Orleans. But no, I think what one thing that jumps out to me. Brian is a little unique about this situation versus some of these recent trade requests or have you wanna frame them? The Paul George situation, Indiana, why Leonard is that there's not a specific destination. That's been kind of laid out in Paul George had the connection with the Lakers, quite Leonard just the connection general, Los Angeles. And there's been these kind of directions that players have been pointed. And you've seen other teams come in and try to kind of take that player away to make recruiting pitch. It feels like the canvas is a little bit more blank with Anthony Davis. Now, there's teams that that I think in terms of speculation we're all kind of pointing towards the Rich Paul connection in Los Angeles Lakers. They obviously want him Boston as be a number of teams out there. But I don't think that there's a the fact that Anthony Davis has a full year left on his contract opens up the options little bit more here in terms of who might be willing to stick their neck out. And. Make this type of move because I think there's a lot of teams he's a different type of personality. And so I think a lot of teams might feel like if you can get him into a winning culture. I think back to that. I think it was an interview he did with whoa, JR. Was a year ago. Maybe where he referenced the Spurs kind of Anthony Davis reference, the Spurs in organization, he really admires. So I don't know that it's like this is a market play or anything like that. I think it's a franchise play. And I think Anthony Davis wants to go somewhere he can win, and and a culture and environment that he really likes. Okay. So pelton. Now Davis has made his his move. He's got another move to make if he if he desires because he can threat not to sign extension with a team. So but right now the ball is is in the pelicans court to me the pelicans have. Two options option number one is to trade him before the trade deadline to the best possible market that they that they can obviously when they make this demand. Now, they know that they're trying to force him away from the Boston Celtics because the Celtics cannot trade for him unless they trade, Kyrie Irving trading. Kyrie Irving is probably out because Irving free agent to be probably not staying in New Orleans. I suppose it's possible to make three way trade. We're kyri would end up somewhere else, we could still get satisfied New Orleans, but that's pretty difficult and the whole point Boston wants to do here is they wanna pair Irving. Anthony Davis Irving yet the Davis, I have been told have a positive relationship dating from team USA that they keep in touch and have discussed playing together. I don't know. Whether that's true or not I have not asked Anthony or kyri that but one of the Boston's big recruiting, tools and all this. You know has been in their mind, Kyrie Irving, so it's not really feasible to think the Celtics are gonna make a deal this season. So if you force a trade before the trade deadline, really what you're trying to do is gear him to Los Angeles. So option would be to do the best you could possibly make probably with the Lakers. Maybe with the Knicks, which we'll talk about an a minute, then there's option B, which is to not trade him now and play it out 'til the summer when the Celtics could enter the market, and even if you didn't take the package at the Celtics offered just having the Celtics as bidders where there's multiple picks possibly involve. And you know, top players could up the ante for other teams. Just having the Celtics. A bitter is interesting right now. The pelicans have the air tied for the eighth worst record in the league. They couldn't theory Kevin shut Anthony Davis down the rest of the season say he's got a finger injury is not gonna play go into full tank mode. Try to get down to maybe the the fourth or fifth worst record and get a top five six pick. And just just icy. Anthony Davis his penalty for demanding trait is not play. That's one way they could play it. What do you think they should do? What would you do in your situation? I think it depends on again, what the Celtics tell them that. They they have a lot of control over what happens in terms of how much they're willing to promise that they're willing to offer on July first when they can delight after the moratorium when they can actually make this trade. I would say I think more so than the LA teams and the Lakers in particular. I feel like New York is the team that benefits the most if the pelicans do decide to make a move now because they making trade this summer involving Kristaps Porzingis would be really difficult with him as a restricted free agent. He'd have to agree to assign in trade, you know, it doesn't seem likely that New Orleans would be a place that he'd wanna go after starting his career in a major media market. So you know, right now porzingas is an option in he might not be in the summer. So I think gives the Knicks more options than almost anyone else. I guess to cover your last point on the draft pick that is. A case where it could be an unintended consequence of the changes we've seen to the lottery this year where it's a lot less valuable tank. Your way from the fourth worst record to the worst record now. But it's it's more valuable to go from the eleventh worst record to the seventh worst record something like that which is the kind of choice. I think the pelicans are facing right now. Because now you've got a realistic chance of jumping up into the top four. If you start in seven or eight in a way, you didn't before. And also if you wait in the Knicks of the number one overall pick, that's right. And that and that Zion Williamson I mean, that's that's as intriguing as a trade option. I think is New Orleans is going to get right? So it's not only just the fact that you get maybe a transformative player in Williamson. But again when you go back just just basketball in New Orleans. That's a player that you can roll this over to and say, okay, here, here's somebody that you wanna come come watch place. So like, that's that's an intriguing option and from the. Side of things, obviously, it's Anthony Davis. But there's to me I'm also thinking about the other guy out there. Kevin durant? And if you if you can land Anthony Davis before free agency. Kevin Durant going to take a different viewpoint. I think in terms of the Knicks now, maybe maybe I'm completely wrong. You would you'd probably have to you know, you're gonna have to shuffle some some cards around to make sure that you have the MAC salary slot still. But. But if you have Anthony Davis sitting there on that roster. Kevin Durant probably going to give the Knicks a little bit harder. Look, you know. So I can just tell you that that the Knicks are on the board and the Davis has interest in the Knicks. I have been told. Now, I don't know where they rank or whatever. But I do think that there is interested there. The question is. If you're New Orleans, again, do you do you look to do a deal now, which I would be asking for their? I don't want porzingas to be honest with you. I mean, if I get porzingas I won't poisoning Kazan the pick. I want the pick. I want the pick. But I also don't want to trade. Anthony Davis to the Knicks. Who are now have the second worst record in the league? Actually, maybe they're even tied in the win column with the caz. I think they both have ten wins. And then they David helps them win some games. Again. I think it more behooves you in his as pelton just mentioned with the uncertain lottery is why not just wait until you know, the draft order, right? I mean, do you want the number four pick the difference between the four pick and the one pick or even the to pick is pretty significant right for sure. But I mean, if you're if you're New Orleans, okay. And you're figuring out what your rebuild is Anthony Davis has gone. He's going to be traded the guys to trades get traded whether we get it traded before next week, whether he gets July fifth, right? It's to be determined. But if I'm New Orleans, and I can tank my way out of into let's just say into a top seven pick and I- potentially trade Davis for another top seven pick whether than me via Boston whether that be via. New York, and I can go into this big draft. And somehow finagle a way to get to top five to top seven picks. That's what I want. I don't necessarily want. Chris porzingas coming off of a tornado C L. And if I can start my rebuilt with two top picks in this draft and draft is very top heavy right Belden you want like the top six or seven. You don't want to the lottery. And that's that's a factor with Boston here is that Boston may not have a high lottery pick depending on what happens with Memphis, right? Kevin. Yeah. The very likely will not I mean because that pick is protected it would have to be probably Sacramento dippy event and getting really lucky for them to, you know, get a top four pick at this point the other. And I'd say in this year's draft. It's there's a big drop off between Zaylon everyone else. I mean, people are very exciting. One of these other top five guys you're excited about it. You're excited about being. I mean, I think this is a conversation. We probably have to have here is what is New Orleans seeking in this because we we rejoicing before the before the pod started about the return beating lamotta, and pal soul from the Lakers in that first original version of the Chris Paul trade. Del Dem's prioritize going out and getting veterans over getting young talent and draft picks or the pelicans gonna do that same thing here because they believe they can't rebuild in New Orleans. I mean is it kind of honor bust in terms of draft picks. Good question. He's never Dell is never valued the draft. He's repeatedly traded picks and treasure to all. Well, right. You know, he's had. Let's see who's he drafted Kevin drafted Austin rivers. That was that. He is. But healed out of a good big. I should've kept on they traded him. I mean, they just they haven't value young players. I don't know maybe I'm predisposed to be routed into this mold. But this just reminds me so much the way the Cavs went about building in the bronze for seven years. They just they didn't have patience with young players when they did draft young players. They drafted. Guys who didn't have much upside guys they could immediately help right away. JJ Hickson was the only like really raw young guy that they got that they spend any time with and they constantly flip those players for any sort of veteran. They have the could help them win the next five minutes. Now, they had some really good teams. But that's what essentially New Orleans done trading. Multiple first round picks for guys like Amarah chic, for example. They didn't have the good teams. That's right. That's right. So. Well to me if you're New Orleans. Let's just talk about the Lakers, that's sort of the red meat. If I'm if I'm forced to deal with the Lakers. I'm going to wring every last drop out of it. I'm going to ask for all three young players, and I'm gonna make the Lakers take Solomon hill to I'm gonna make him. Take my bad contract off my books, and I'm gonna ask for a first round pick in the future too. I'm not saying you get all that with the Lakers are going to be under pressure to execute this deal now before the Celtics get into it. And also. To reenergize the season. Pelton? Do you mean? You know, if you're the Lakers how far to the end of the year if you go in here to make this deal. I mean, it's a little tricky here because you know, the, this is true to lesser extent. I think the next, but it's really true for the Lakers that you gotta value Anthony Davis against both the young players. And what else you would be doing with that cap space you'd have this summer, which they're no longer? It doesn't seem like they're sure of star player, but you know, worst case scenario if you throw a max deal it Chris Middleton is he probably taking that to comply with you probably. So you're talking about a much deeper team and team that has an option to go out and make a move down the line. Whether it's you know, maybe someone like Damian Lillard and several years if things go south Portland, which they they haven't in a way that the Lakers probably had hoped. They would so far. You know? I mean, I think there's a lot of teams that now one of the differences. I think between the situation and the Paul George Jimmy Butler, and even quiet trades is you know, the teams that were in that bidding. I think a lot of them could look at AD say, it's okay, we'll get this guy because there's another one coming, gene. I think a lot of teams won't see it that way with Anthony Davis. But I think the Lakers may be should a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing is that these players don't come onto the market to where there gettable very often player of this caliber, and you look at Paul George, for example. And what a what a swing player that is in terms of which direction of franchise can go. And so if you can get your hands on that level of player that can change your outlook for a number of years. And so if I'm the layers Bryan like I understand that they like some of these young players, and I understand how who's MMA is a nice young player. And you don't wanna get you don't wanna get carried away. But you have exceleron did your your opportunity here by getting LeBron James and LeBron while he might be able to play at a super high level until he's thirty eight or thirty nine years old. We we can all hope that that happens. You have very obvious tangible window of opportunity here with one of the greatest players of all time. So I don't think that you can just sit there and say, well, let's just let's hold back and see what? Brandon Ingram Kyle Kuzma and a future first round pick. And do you can you? You jump the ladder significantly. If you add Anthony Davis to pair with LeBron James. It's pretty straightforward in my mind that if I'm the Lakers, I am putting a robust offer on the table. Because. We'll like what's the what's the alternative that you know, what is the ceiling of this Lakers team? Even if some of these other some of these guys develop and get a lot better. How good are they really? And the way you win and be a championships in today's NBA is by stacking star talent on top of each other. And it doesn't get much much better than Anthony Davis and LeBron James together. Okay. So two things I want to say one I'm looking at all these people already coming out there with their five for one player trades Lakers free. Anthony davis. This is not July. You cannot have twenty guys on your roster. You can have fifteen so if you're gonna trade four Lakers free, Anthony Davis gotta bring back four pelicans. Or you got to create the roster spots for all that to work out. So when you go to your trade machine, you're going to have to say, you know, you gotta you gotta bring back Tim Frazier. Ian, Clark or Darius Miller. Or you're gonna get a third team and there somewhere that you reroute a player for a pick. But that's that's just a functional. The second thing is remember when Steve Balmer bought the clippers. The clippers people had been trying and been dreaming about getting their hands on the clippers for decades. The clippers were finally for sale. There were all these businessmen out there who gathered their money together to try to make a bid for the clippers guys who'd want to teams for a long time. Anthony wrestler ended up buying the hawks was one of them. I'm trying to think who the other bidders. Bruce Karsh a guy who might end up owning a team in the future was another one and Steve Balmer new. This bomber knew there was a lot of bidders. So what did he do? He knew there were biz in there for one point two one point four billion St. bomber said two billion cash on the barrel head. I will write the check today. Okay. He said I'm going to end the bidding right now. The Lakers are not in position to win a bidding war. Okay. If it gets to the summer, they are not going to have the high draft pick. They are not gonna have the young talent by Jalen Browner, Jason Tatum, and we can spend an. Our debating on what the offer might be. They're not going to have the top three pick. That'll get them Cameron, reddish or. Dianne Williamson that the Knicks might have their chance is to make this end the bidding now and the way you do that is to basically offer everything you offer the young players you offer draft pick to take Solomon hill. You offer to make a deal that nobody else can make today. I think it's the Lakers. Only play. I listen to a long white paper about how about negotiating techniques. I can listen to a Ted talk. I could look at a PowerPoint presentation about how you negotiate and all of that is true when I don't denial that, and I think there's a game to be played and everything in this particular situation where there's an asset. That's extremely rare. The you may not be able to get your hands on in six in six months. I think you gotta go all in right now. Kevin. Well, I mean, I guess my question is do we think that even if the Lakers win did basically everything in their power? You know, maybe it's not all four I run picks and swapped rights like you could hypothetically go over that. But like a realistic. We're we're gonna put an all or young guys plus the draft picks, plus take that do you think that would still top it? I think one of the big questions here is how did the New Orleans pelicans, del Dem's view, Lonzo ball? He's such a polarizing player within the league. Where the I think the analytics tags myself included still think he's going to be really value ease in his going to be really valuable player in the league. But there's a lot of scouts that just don't like his game whatsoever. Don't like the idea of bringing lavar ball into the organization, even though that hasn't really been a factor for the Lakers this year. And I feel like if the pelicans are one of those teams than that kind of kind of ruins the idea of a Lakers massive offer right off the bat. I mean. Yeah. Brian, basically, you either have Anthony Davis or you don't. And I think this might be oversimplifying. But let's just say this is a free agency play. And you've got some of these players that you need to you need to let their contracts expire to come off the books. So that you could just have the cap space to sign Anthony Davis for the most part any team do that. Right. Like, if this was like, okay, we need to let this contract expire this contract expire and this contract expire. They're nice players. But like we're gonna do that. So that we have the cap space in order to sign. Anthony Davis tangibly like what's really the difference there, if that's a player that you want to get so, yeah, I think you make the godfather offer you even still fun New Orleans might be saying, I don't know that doesn't seem like I'm not that thrilled with and I'm not that excited about whatever the lay even even a massive offer from the Lakers, just because it doesn't include a lot of future assets that that to me would really invigorate the fan base a lot. Well, the thing is if you wait until this. Summer you would have the cap space. So you wouldn't have to you wouldn't have to go overboard to satisfy the trade rules. You would have the alternative of of having free agents again in a vacuum. You wouldn't wanna go? She like this. You wouldn't want to like tell mentioned give up your cap space, and you're young players. But. I can see why they would feel this way. I mean, Royce. Oklahoma City was sort of facing a Sylmar choice. When they try to make a decision which way to go, and we saw which way they went. They kept fighting. Yep. Well with Durant here specifically. Well, I mean, they had the option they couldn't get. Yeah. Well, because there's also drew holiday is in your to Andrology is having a really good season. I mean, it's not around possibility that the pelicans could trade your holiday can buy this week, depending on what about this. This is just a radical radical thought, and this is not going to happen. But I'm going to throw this hypothetical out. Anyway, like why not if you're the pelicans one not just like, you gather together, and you say, okay, what's it? Look like if we just try to keep Anthony Davis, and I understand as well. But he basically requested a trade like why would you do that? But you still have the guy under contract for a season and a half and you've seen how like these recruitment efforts Paul George specifically have worked out, and I understand that that things have gone south. But you have time if you're New Orleans still to try to shuffle. The decks. A little bit. And maybe you can we work at it. Let's not forget a year ago. The New Orleans pelicans swept the Portland trailblazers. We're in the second round the playoffs. And you mentioned that they had some significant injuries shoes. Mirror. Tisch's basically been absent for the last month and a half. And he's a significant factor in terms of of of what the pelicans do. I know it's it's absolutely idiotic to say, okay. The guy asked out why not just go ahead and try to keep them. But again, these players don't come around very often the moment, you trade, Anthony Davis. You're back to trying to find Anthony Davis. And and to me there's almost a risk reward factor there that it's like, maybe just maybe just take your shot and see if the. If you could maybe trading drew holiday, maybe doing something very bold again to to kind of shuffle. The decks to try to pair somebody with Anthony Davis is is a better player than just saying. Okay. What's the poo poo platter from from Los Angeles. Give me that's an organizational decision. That's made at the ownership level. We don't know a lot about how gale Benson feels about this. You know, Kevin. This is one of these philosophical things about what you do. I think you know, historically, you look at it. And most most times a player demands a trait. He gets it. And kind of what you're hoping to do here. If you're if you're New Orleans what's your goal? Your goal is kind of Indiana did right. And they didn't trade for graphics traded for guys we're in the league, but your goal is to strip to to pivot. Sort of is fast and efficiently as possible. I don't see how New Orleans. I mean, I can understand why. I mean, I think it's a discussion. I think you. I think the owner the owner of sort of sets the tone here, and she just doesn't have a track record long enough for us to know. Kobe Bryant trade judge Jerry Buss said we're not going to trade you right? He did have some conversations. But he basically said we're not going to trade you, but that was a totally different organization with a totally different owner who had a lot of. Capital within his own market and any new that you had to build championship teams. It's really not apple samples at all. But I mean, given don't you think that you're gonna is probably gonna come to the conclusion that training is what you have to do. I think so. And I mean, the one thing we have heard from gale Benson on this. She didn't interview I think it was in December with the outlet. They're saints beat writer. I believe who said and said, I really liking it. But if you want to if you want to leave you can't hold them back. So it doesn't necessarily sound like now that they've gotten this clear signal from him that he does want to trade like they're going to stand in his way. I think the issue is like if you're the Lakers Kobe Bryant, you know, you've got it. Really desirable market. The team hasn't played as well, as you know, you've wanted even if the pelicans were really competitive, though, quite frankly, I think there would still be the possibility of Davis leaving. And I don't think there's I mean four from a certainty. It's not I don't even know if it's realistic for them to get to the point where is there? Any combination of moves they could make the could get them to the Western Conference finals before Davis's contract expires. I think it's a long shot. I mean. I mean. Look different. We're in the second round last year. Yeah. And the landscape. If kevin. But, but I mean, you know. You know, they look at this roster and say the majority of this roster had us in the second round. I mean, they may not. You know? I mean, I think one of the lessons of this season. The blazers have gotten pretty lucky in terms of how their record is compared to their point differential, which is not that much better than New Orleans before Davis, Scott hurt and the records were wildly different. But I think one of the lessons here is we read a bit too much into those four games of the pelican sweeping the blazers, and that that was a fluke that might be true. Yeah. Well, I also think that you know, New Orleans. You know, you if you're if you're going to go down if you're gonna start a rebuild you have to have the right temperament for it. You have to you know, there's some organizations that just don't believe in bottoming out. You know, new Indiana is one of them. They just Indiana is never been a team that has said all right. We're gonna go and go all the way down to the bottom. And that was why when they traded depot they were looking for. I'm sorry traded four depot they were looking for that type of trade. They were not looking for give me two first round picks or what have you? And again, part of this is going to be a real on the organization. We don't really have that information yet because we don't know how gale Benson. And by the way, what a terrible like eight days for New Orleans. They lose the NFC championship game. And that way they got fans filing lawsuits because they're not over it. And then. Then this happens. Okay. Is there any other team out there? New York Boston in LA. But is there any other team? I will say this one of the worst kept secrets in the in the league. Anthony Davis does not want to play in Chicago his hometown. So even though that would be romantic and the bull certainly have. I mean hell pelton think about the bulls like offering, you know, marketing and Levin or. I mean marketing and Wendell Carter the other team that could potentially, you know, get an top top three pig. I mean, the bulls to put together hell of an offer. But I I mean, unless Anthony day was a major change of heart since I was last informed. He does not desire to play in his hometown. So the bulls off the market who else other teams like what what about the heat? I mean, that's the team is making. I think the heat could could put together I mean, some combination of either Winslow Richardson. I mean, there's there's there's something there. I think that you could you could put together the heat. I have a lot of. Average to good players on big contracts. You. It's like you look at their. I think their exactly five hundred. Every single night. They have like five or six guys in double figures seems like it changes by the night. You know, they're constantly dealing with some injury. They've only get one guy on their team has ever been an all star, which is grand dragon was an injury or placement last year. But okay, it was an all star. It's not an exciting trade. But again, if you say, okay, we've got your holiday, we've got Nico miratec. We want a couple of players to. It's a sort of buttress what we have and try to retrofit on the fly. And you could ask for the Heat's first round pick which will probably be in the teens. You know, is that is that compelling anybody? Yeah. I think that's not. Before cold water makes the Celtics fascinating team here is they can offer you all draft picks. Plus, they also offer you young players who got them to the Eastern Conference finals last year, not young players who were helping get to five hundred this year. Right. There's a lot of east teams. How about this one? Brad Beal for for Anthony Davis. Yeah. I mean this Brad Beal and drew holiday is that more exciting than getting. No. I mean, I think I think you could like I'm looking at the Charlotte Hornets roster. I'm thinking, okay. You got miles bridges Maliki monk. There's a couple of young players you could you know, throw in. Maybe like, Cody Zeller like you kind of do that type of thing if you're the Hornets you're desperate to try to take step forward pair Anthony Davis with Kimball Walker. I think there's a lot of these teams that have been on the fringes, especially if you're in the Eastern Conference and you're saying look, I'm Anthony Davis away from maybe being able to Eastern Conference finals. So like it might be. It's worth it's worth taking your big swing here. Well, if you're gonna if you're gonna be hypothetically Eastern Conference teams what about Milwaukee? Let's just fair though, if you're gonna do that that's just like, you can't you can't I think it's against the Brian put that much length on the floor at one time. Not even it's not, you know, they haven't been so Ocoee, older contracts are expiring, I think New Orleans gonna want guys were under team control for a period of time here. Yeah. But you could always say you're going to resign. These guys. You know? That. Yeah. Then you start then you start kind of hamstring in yourself a little bit where it's like now, you're you're stuck with you know. You know? A player that you may may not have really wanted all that badly. Media saying Philly. If he's willing to offer Ben Simmons. That's the guy who can potentially Trump Jason Tatum in terms of getting a young player on rookie contract who can help you immediately. Because Ben Simmons is almost certainly going to be announced in all star in three days here. Jason Tatum isn't. And then represented by Rich Paul that would be a nice little maneuver, Ben Simmons played LSU, we talked to actually talked about this a few weeks ago as a possibility you couldn't just do it for Ben Simmons. I don't know how the trade would have to be structured. But. You know, it's one of the things Davis doesn't wanna play center. He wants to play power forward. He wants to stretch, you know, he wants to stretch the floor. He doesn't wanna play inside. And be does wanna play inside doesn't want to stretch the floor. You know, I I mean, I don't know if you. If you had Jimmy Butler. Jimmy, Butler, Anthony Davis and Joel Embiid. I don't know who would play point card. Celts. I don't know. I don't I don't know. I mean, that's pretty compelling. You'd be really rolling the dice there because is a free agent, and you know. Davis has a year. You know, you have control over Simmons. But I think we can all agree or maybe I dunno pelton. Do you agree that that trio in Philly is a good fit? I don't think they're a perfect fit. And they're gonna have to do something about it eventually, anyway, if you're going to do something about it could you do something about it to get Davis. Yeah. I don't know if I would take a risk on dealing. I can be a free agent and putting him in a locker at Jimmy Butler because that hasn't gone super great. Not the best recruiting tactic. Trade Jimmy Butler is part of the strain of I want to do that. But I mean, it certainly the most interesting possibility, I think for the pelicans standpoint, that's a call a lot of this. I think we're thinking about is who are the teams were calling the pelicans. If we're talking about teams that have held can should be proactively going out in calling. I think the Sixers high on that list. What about what about this another just radical just throwing stuff at the wall? But like since we're talking top level Eastern Conference teams, if the raptors are all in with recruiting Leonard to stay like, what could they put together? Because if if you get Anthony Davis to say, hey, now now, you wide you want to stay at around on another year. At least you can play another year with Anthony Davis. You could offer Seok them Vallon Tunis. I'm kind of trying to piece this together here. I love. Siachen? Yeah. An-and obi. That's a good one. It seems like we're getting into the highly speculative portion of let's just get throwing them out here. So, but before I get get yours in their Hawn well with the with the pause for commercial break on some thought forms, and so all we do that Brian Philipson on where Anthony Davis is actually gonna go. I heard his phone buzzes. So I know. Animal underpants, never classy, edible arrangements, always classy. It's easy to make a big impression. This Valentine's Day with the fresh fruit and the finest chocolate from edible arrangements. Don't wait until the last minute place, your Valentine's Day order by February ten and twenty percent on all pickup orders over fifty dollars. Stop by your local edible arrangements and experience love at first bite or order online and have delicious delivered at edible dot com. And he loves that cuisine. And I hear that makes it. Wow, I think team makes a lot of sense Brian. I think that that is Batman's and we're back. Brian one question about all of this because Royce was talking about drawn on like pushing on and trying to Recruit cO Leonard trying to create any gave his are there teams lake Oklahoma City or Philly that kind of are you going to merge out of nowhere and just roll the dice and try and recruit Anthony Davis for one season. Even though he may state that he he doesn't want to go to a city like that one team. I sort of am curious about is Denver has a lot of pieces. Let's say would Denver just wanna see like, let's try and do the same thing that Oklahoma City to Paul George. So here's the way it's been described to me. Anthony Davis wants to go to an organization where he can see himself winning multiple championships. That sounds like a basic thing. But it's a guiding principle. You know, the way was described to me, you know, Anthony high school team was not very good, which I find it hard to believe that the guy who was number one overall pick in the draft a year later like you senior vice go his team only one like six or eight games or something. I almost I almost want to go down that rabbit hole and figure out how the hell that's possible. But. You know, he was on. He was not on a good team that he went to Kentucky. And they they had the championship run. They had this magical season where they won the title. And that was just everything to him. He loved it so much and he had a great year national player of the year everything. And then he went to the to the pelicans who I think have made the playoffs twice in his career and they've won one playoff series. They had never won a playoff game until last season. And I remember I was at his first playoff win. It was in Portland. He played great drew holiday played great playoff Rondo showed up a dominated the game. And I remember talking him after the game about. Getting his first playoff when he goes, look, obviously, I I don't want to relish just one playoff victory. But this is what I've been working towards dreaming about for years. And I think he longs for that type of scenario where he's just a competitor every year. And I think he wants to go to a class organization, that's way, it's been described to me. And I don't think it's the intention of throw shade at the pelicans. But I think if you took a fair and honest vote amongst the NBA teams that they would not say that the pelicans rate is a first class organization and people would get very upset about that. But I think that's why he thinks about the Lakers the Celtics. I'm not sure how the Knicks Finn. But. They certainly. You know, we'll spend at a at a first-class organization rate, and but Newark was floated to me so he wants he wants to go somewhere where he's going to enjoy living. And I think it's important to point out that he has a house in Malibu, and he spends his summers in Los Angeles. It's a factor. I don't know if it's factor number one or factor number five. But it's a factor. And I also think that the quality of the organization where does that leave a team like Denver? I don't know. I think I talked on the pod last week about how Denver just so. So so badly wanted to get in front of LeBron to pitch them because they were so confident on where they were headed as an organization, and I'm sure that they would be very confident on the Anthony Davis, but the same, you know, representation that, you know, LeBron wouldn't give meeting they'd have to convince that and this is what I mean by Anthony having another sort of lever to pull in this game at some point here. We're going to get to the point where there's a trade possibility. And that team is going to ask for permission to try to talk the anthonys representation, either Anthony himself or Rich Paul and they're going to say we'll Anthony want to speak here. Long-term as if on the Boston, Celtics. I can't offer Jason Tatum for one year rental. I mean, maybe Danny Ainge is crazy enough and is secure. Sure. Enough in a bigger believer in his team enough to do it anyway. But if you're gonna make the premium premium offer, the offer that you know, New Orleans is gonna want I think that you've kinda gotta get the wink and the nod. You know, this kind of compared to when the Cavs traded for Kevin love the Pella the timber wolves. Granted permission Kevin love had a meeting with the Cavs front office and owner Dan Gilbert, he was one year left on his contract. And they said Kevin we cannot trade the number one overall pick in the draft. Plus another first round pick for you on a one year rental. And Kevin basically said I'm here. I want to be here for the long term. They couldn't under league rules agree. Who knows exactly what was agreed to in that room? But whatever was said in that room. It got the cats comfortable to trade Andrew Wiggins and a future number one. And. The past number one, Anthony Bennett, but that was just about the deal to do the deal. And so will there be a moment where Anthony has to be on the phone or in the room with the Knicks or the Celtics or the Lakers to say, yes or no? And then that would be another big moment here. This is just the first of several big moments, and that's going to be a big factor and how this goes down. And it's also going to be a big factor on the game of chicken, whether or not, you know, the Celtics if they get to if this gets the July would be willing to play a dice game without a promise and stuff like that. These are all things that are going to play into this. And they're all really really important, and they're all part of this strategy that it has to be worked out between now. And when this deal is made and and Kevin pelton. Let me ask you this. If your if your Mickey Loomis Mickey Loomis is the president of the of the saints and of the of the pelicans he operates both. Teams. He's more of a football guy. But he is technically the overseer from everybody. The I've talked to a New Orleans. He gives del dumps wide latitude. He does not loom over do you let del Dem's make this trade or do you? Make it yourself or do you seek a different executive to make this trade based on Dell's history. I think that's a that's a great question about this process because you know, if Dempsey's job is in some jeopardy, and you feel like he's going to make a trade to try to win be competitive now remain competitive now, and that doesn't bring you the kind of future returns you're expecting because the fact that he's trying to save your job. Then that's an untenable situation for the organization. That's you know, if he's job is in jeopardy, you have to I think make that changed now to be fair to the long term future of the organization and and bring someone else in there. So I think it kind of depends how all ready feeling about Dell. Dem's you can't just like say like, okay, you'd better get this one, right? Not an easy thing to put on the table of somebody to evaluate their future. So if you're not if if at this point, you're not convinced that this is the guy that that you're rolling with then you might as well make make change now. Because this is this is a landmark moment franchise. This is this is kind of the fulcrum right here where you're going to go one way or the other in getting this trade is right. As possible is is really going to set the path for you over the next five to ten years and we've talked less forty five minutes. Look at all of the of the facets that are involved here. Look at all the different things you have to consider. And I know that we're not covering it. All there's a lot is even more and. You know, Kevin. I mean, what's your? I mean Dell has always been very good to me. But I mean, what's your valuation of the way del is done trades. I mean, it's I would not say that it's been the strongest suit. For him. I mean, they've had you know, the drew holiday trade ended up being a winner. I think long term for them. He's been everything the expected. But in general, I think you just look at the overall track record, I feel bad for the people of New Orleans for Hornets fan for pelican's fans. I guess they started as the Hornets when they drafted him. I feel bad for them. But I don't feel bad for the organization that Anthony Davis is asked out they've had him for an extended period of time here, and they have not been able to put a competitive team on the court even team anywhere remotely as competitive. Is those Cleveland teams that didn't have much healthier on LeBron James that you talked about now part of that is LeBron James is another year of you know, in the goat discussion rather than just a superstar player. But part of it is they they haven't been good enough. And I think it's completely fair that Anthony Davis is ready to go somewhere else where he feels like he has a better chance of winning then, you know, alternately, that's that's gonna fall largely on the management there. This is a little bit of the curse of the Western Conference. Like you said Kevin. But like Anthony Davis is the caliber player that you should be better than this. Like like he is. He is not some just just star level player. He is a player that is good enough on his own. To elevate you into having going rates season. Yeah. And he's he's never for the last four years. Basically, he has not been anything. But great now there's been some some injury issues to overcome those for whatever reason Anthony Davis picks up just kind of the weirdest little nagging injuries throughout NBA season. I think it's honestly because he plays so hard and he plays. So well, and he's such a target of teams, and they put so many big bodies on them and so much attention on them because he impacts the game as much as any singular player in the NBA. He is an absolute unbelievable forcing I was in New Orleans for the thunder pelicans game. And I think Anthony Davis scored forty five forty seven or something like that. And it was it was one of the most single dominant games you're going to see in the NBA just a just a solo player overtaking a game in overwhelming a game. And he is that good to do. So the point being like you said KP to not have that to have that player and not be able to elevate yourself to where you are consistently a fifty wind team rigidly in the postseason and trying to figure out how to get out of the first round but get into the Western Conference finals above. That is an indictment on an organization. I have to say it took it took. Some people have said that Anthony's can be a bit of a wallflower. But it took a lot of guts for him to fire his agent and go with Rich Paul because he knew what the backlash was going to do. But when he hired Rich Paul he obviously knew that. This was a possibility any needed somebody who could wield the big stick in which Paul has shown the willingness to do that. And then Secondly, you know, I spent time with Anthony in the preseason. I honestly did believe he was all in on trying to make this team work. He was not focused on the future. The game. I was that happened to be their last preseason game. They were winless in the preseason. And he was really frustrated they hadn't played better. And he put the this just performance in meaningless preseason game where he was diving for loose balls. And I just think that he has given everything that this season. I've never sensed for one bit that he was halfway out the door the way I did with Jimmy Butler in Minnesota as an example. And he takes frankly, guts, whatever you wanna call it. If you're New Orleans fan. I'm sure you're angry. But it takes guts than ask for trade. Under all circumstances. I don't think anybody should test his medal because I think he's willing that he's now showing he's willing to. Two. To do what needs to be done. Not not that. This is all that important. But that the agent that he fire that Foucher which was Russell, which is Russell Westbrook's agent. Which obviously kind of went the opposite direction small-market superstar negotiating to stay long term with this team. So different experiences there. One thing that we didn't get into though, Brian that I think is relevant is we didn't even talk about the designated player extension in kind of how this is completely backfired. And this is another example of star player accelerating process because of that extension that effectively takes free agency off the table and accelerate your free agency two year and a half a year early because of that that extension if the players going to turn down that extension. It is it is a sensually the. You know, the first step and saying I would like to leave, and this is another example of that designated player extension completely backfiring. So Kevin I would say it's partially backfired. Three guys have signed it Westbrook harden and wall, they did sign it. You know, it certainly made a big difference for the thunder in that regard. By the I don't know if Westbrook would have left anyway, though. I mean, maybe not I don't know if money is what swayed him sure, that's that's fair, but he world so in unusual situations where they had just recently signed extensions. And basically this just allowed them to get kind of the extra money and check on more years, but you know, more about that than than necessarily committee organization, but. That points take. I mean. Paul george. Paul, George, Kyrie Irving. Anthony Davis there. My forgetting anybody have left the money, and why Kawai that's right. Dozens. No, he didn't want to be treated. I mean, they didn't wanna pay them. Cousins wanted to stay cousins one of that money. But you know, it cuts both ways what is it? Kevin about eighty million that Anthony Davis forgoing here. He would have been eligible for two hundred forty million extension the summer and now he's looking at like he can sixteen for like one seventy in a year. So Mike that. Is that what you know? I think one of the things we've seen in this situation. So I wouldn't say that it's backfired in terms of accelerating agency because that's a good thing for the pelicans as you mentioned earlier, Royce if they wanted to they could on them through free agents. That's true have the signal and they can get a get value for him without going down to the last day. I think that is part of what they were thinking. I think where it's backfired more is it turns out the players who this most valuable for or the players who aren't sure they're going to get the max when they hit free agency after that third contract. So they're kind of fringe stars John wall being an example of that. And now like John wall was perhaps the least tradeable contract in the league out a year, plus after signing that extension that to me is the backfiring. More even than guys turning it down. That's a fair point because like Indiana's again, a good example here is that it backfired in the sense that Paul George gave them the signal to want to leave. But it also. Worked very much in their favor that Paul George gave them the signal to leave. And they were able to victory depot demont of Savona out of it. Well, there's all these new ones all of these situations. I mean, the the in the case of Paul George the this Pacers organization negotiated like very hard over a two and a half percent increase in his contract. They didn't want to give them the full thirty year. Thirty percent rose rule. And so they gave him twenty seven and a half percent and exchange for that. They gave him an opt out in the fifth year the deal, so therefore three years in became d day. You know, the. The next guys would if we're going to be watching his Tenneco. Again, the bucks negotiate a four year extension instead of a five year extension when they could have given him more. And now it will Russia a little bit at them quicker than it could have you know, in col- in Kawais case. There was an issue with the way his injury was treated these are not all just in a vacuum. Con-? You know, they're all nuance to all of them. But the concept that the league wanted which was to prevent the Kevin Durant which was the guys bolting after their second contract, which LeBron started and other players followed Chris, Paul followed. But was really the Kevin really was designed to prevent Kevin Durant guy seven or eight years into his career nine years in when they're hitting their prime bolting on an organization, and it is not stem that tide. Anthony, what is happening? They Anthony Davis is the exact thing that they tried to legislate out in the. And it has not been legislated out. And even if it's gonna cost the Anthony Davis eighty million bucks. He is apparently willing to pay that amount to go to more desirable location. And that's where we are in today's NBA. And how this works out may determine who the next champion is maybe not this season. But maybe the season after so a lot more. Will be discussed about this. I still feel like we're only at the surface level. Kevin. Is there anything else you think these to the you want to put out there before we wrap this up? Not think. So I think we covered it. Roy site. I was about to be fast by Kevin Durant. Go into the this. Can we talk about Nicholson yet is this a good time real real quick? I knew that before would you story which now is buried, but what is the date of Nicholson's ours. Twenty playing the Toronto Raptors. So so it's it's a long time from now. But. Let me say this just because they're will say a lot of people have been like, why would you have? Kevin durant? They're they're just gonna boom how are the fans? It's not gonna be as if they're like introducing Kevin Durant in front of the crowd. The former any former player that played with Nick call us in his welcome to attend. This thunder did not extend the invitation. This was something that that. I think that Kevin Durant wanted to do. I think it's a classy gesture from him because he's very appreciative of Nick collison and the career that he had no the city, and it's not as if they're going to be like saying, here's all the former players that came back. Those guys are going to be in the background the night is going to be about Nick collison. There's going to be any booing. It's not going to be a big deal. Fair. I'm just going to say that you know, the difference between what happened with Cleveland LeBron where they designed a jersey retirement. I actually went back and reread that first chapter Brian just just yesterday afternoon. So the the entire design. I mean, they were gonna retire Genucel because number anyway, but they specifically pick the date where the heat were in Chicago and had an off night. And they specifically did it with LeBron in mind, and they consulted LeBron when they pick the day than the brunt tentatively agreed to it. And they went overboard, I I'm fairly certain that universal gals jersey retirement was a more elaborate, and it's definitely more expensive than Michael Jordan. Number was retired. By the bulls. They just put it this way. They rented like a six figure display to shoot lasers onto the court. They rented just for that night. Just to give you an example, they brought in at the Cavs expense dozens and dozens of dozens of LeBron's former teammates also these former teammates, and basically it was a opportunity to show that z who had left the Cavs to go play for the heat and was roundly booed and hated not to the level of the Bronx. But still roundly booed, and hated it was an opportunity to show that the city and the organization everything would reimburse him and everything will be wonderful and the Brian did go and the heat were annoyed and maybe played a one percent factor in the Browns return, maybe played a twelve percent factor only LeBron knows but was without any question. The sidesaddle purpose for having that when it when it had. Happened from the day. It was conceived was to was to host LeBron that is not the case for Durant by all the cow. That's what you're this is not this is not a recruitment effort from from the way understand it whatsoever. That also the Cavs have Russell Westbrook and Paul Paul George on their roster. Right. The Cavs were desperate. Face like, even even even if somehow there was a desire for reunion like it's not like the thunder have caps face anytime in the near future. I think that this. This is an effort on both sides to do. What's what I think that the funder have tried to do a little bit more of than maybe Durant side. But is to put the past in the past acknowledged the history together appreciate the history together. What's going to be interesting to me Brian about this whole situation is it's not as if though that? That this is just a, you know, show up to the Rena and leave type of thing there's going to be like a hang out, you know, involved here. So like there's going to be a lot of former players, I think that come in for this. Because again, Nick calls a very appreciated player. And there's gonna be a lot of former players that come in. They're to go hang out. And it's gotta be something that, you know, they go party together. So and that's not to say that they don't get along with Kevin Durant. I think some of those things can be a little overstated. But there's there's going to be there's going to be more than just going to be a fascinating night. And before we go just because we're talking about reunions. It is possible that the everything could wait till the summer, and that the Celtics could sign Kyrie Irving and trade for Anthony Davis. Okay, everybody. Thanks listening to collective podcast. Have a good day. We'll talk more about this later in the week.

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This will be the talk of ESPN today because of how much we love the transaction because in that sport more than the others. You get one dude, and you can change a whole lot about your present. So everyone spends a lot of time dreaming about the future. We will get to that. And we will get to our Super Bowl coverage that will mock all Super Bowl coverage in a second as well. But we begin in the obvious place, which is a movie poster for a challenger space shuttle movie that features less miles. Why that's the appropriate response to that. I saw a movie poster. There was dean Cain, and there was less miles. And it took me a moment. Again. We'll put it on the poll, please at lebatardshow. Would you be disoriented? If you saw a movie poster with about the challenger space shuttle explosion that starred less miles because I almost sent it to Mike Mike is this real is this the internet again fooling me. This can't be real. If it can't be why is less miles in a movie about the space shuttle exploding. And so I need all of the information. I can possibly get on this. I want to send out our team of reporters an army of soldiers to go. Get us. Whatever information there is to be gotten on. How it is that les miles was cast in the role. Somebody looked at less miles. It may be something simple. Like the directors from Baton Rouge appreciates that championship. But usually that gets you a role. In a movie, it doesn't get you one of the faces on the movie poster. Well, you have to understand less miles is not your rookie actor this is indeed his third role in a major motion picture while majors problem, it's his third role. And what was he in blindside? He was in when the game stands tall. He played Oklahoma scout number one camera obscure where he played uninformed officer. And in the challenger disaster. He plays Nelson. Are what does Nelson do what? Ours qualifications for the role of Nelson. Why are the people who are remembering one of the most horrific events in American history. Saying, you know, who we need to get less mild. Why is all of this happening while luckily for you, there's a trailer? I'm going to watch this trail, please just play it all we gotta get do this. I'm gonna watch the trailer and and give you the deeds. Okay. Thank you put it on the poll gear, again, we'll give you the deeds jackass or irredeemable jackass. So anthony. David this is fascinating what's going on? So LeBron Anthony Davis go to dinner after Anthony Davis plays in Los Angeles like a month ago. And today, we learn what they discussed. I mean, it's really is like the league I think that we'll Jin win whores need to start talking to executives because the executives around the league are really mad that LeBron an I love it. I think it's great that he's got so much power that he can just do whatever he wants and doesn't have to abide by any tampering. Rules, anything that is tortuously interfering with the contract. How is this happening? I was he allowed to do this. I mean think about it because he's he's a player because what do you mean why that's how we got to Miami? How was he allowed to do this? I know. And if you're Miami loved it at the time, and now you hate it. If you if you're the Lakers, you'll love it now. But I'm just wondering everyone knows that he's kind of running an agency while being at the height of his powers in the NBA. He's not just running an agency. He's. Running the Commissioner's office and he's running the league. Like, what do you? What do you mean? An agency an agency is low on the list of things LeBron James run. You have him running the NBA. I guess he didn't they change the schedule on the all star break because he complained like did they make the all star break longer because he just went to the Commissioner yo longer. Is that how the governor sation pretty sure it might have been shorter than that. All right. Let's miles who plays Nelson in this challenge for movie he plays a guy that really wants us launch to happen. Even though there's other scientists that are like whoa this. He took the role of make it happen. Quantify your results, which I'm sure only took one take for him to say, there's no way this is real like this has to be part of a bigger Super Bowl ad thing. Right. There's no way. This can be real the reason I thought don't even have last names on IMDB. I'm reading a review in which it says, he steals. The movie les miles is the best part of this. Exactly. Why can't be real the actor the character's names are Nelson? Adam Mary Bill, Greg. No one has a last name in the time of the challenger think. Billy just hit on some. I don't even know. He's right. It just sounds like it's right. Thank you, Chris excellent contribution. Why why would they do this? What a Super Bowl that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. But Chris agrees with it. Because he thought it would be important to go to the microphone and agree with Billy's terrible point two dollars. Wow. Man. You're getting aggressive drunk with power. I do want more information about this. I know that the information is sketchy. He steals the movie let's start somewhere else. Okay. Before we get to carried away. The star is dean Cain. Has it been awhile since he's starting anything? Oh, no. He started the movies. Like this all the time. He says he's the movies that make you ask the question has he started anything with real house? And last year, I understand why there was that crocodile. There was at Dana cry crocodile, Dundee sit and sequel thing, but yeah, that was fake. But that was also Chris Hemsworth and Danny McBride. This is dean Cain, unless less mile Muller budget. I want to put that on the poll plays at lebatardshow does dean Cain only star in movies that make you wonder when is the last time. Dean Cain starting to move it. Because it's superman and nothing sense. Correct. I'm not saying we is a work. No, no, no. I'm not saying he hasn't worked. I'm saying. He was superman. And that's where it ended in terms of dean canes name associated with merit about anything involving moving. Make. This is one of the more jam packed IMDB filmography is I have ever seen made never ends. I mean, it's all crediting canes getting a ton of work, but he's just making all these movies in Hollywood that you don't understand how they get me. I'm scrolling down looking for one thing I've heard of on two thousand thirteen and nothing yet. Well, you could just name the titles because my guess is we should pair the IMDB's of Daniel Baldwin and dean Cain. And I'm thinking it'll be pushed there are no winners here. So God's not dead the appearing airplane versus volcano. Mary X mess, but the exit spelt E X so that should be something top of the pyramid. A horse for summer vendetta five dollars a day, which may have just been the budget of that movie homerun showdown a dog for Christmas up fix up as a TV show the black hole. Can you do me a? Favor. Please gear MO just read some of the rotten tomatoes ratings for some of these movies. You think rotten tomatoes reviews these moved on? Nobody even bothered to write a review. I thought that's what the internet was for. Why that and porn? Now. The commercial Don Le Batard, stugotz lies so much. And he doesn't take inventory of his lies that even when he's telling the truth. We don't believe him on anything. What's wrong, stugotz? What are you objecting to? I mean, I listen I've done this to myself. So I'm frustrated at myself. I'm not going to lash out. Elsewhere because I understand why everyone would think that I was the one who did this. But I am sitting here telling you guys that I did not do it, stugotz. You absolutely took a bite out of a piece of pizza and put it back with the rest of the pizza. It was me VC's live with our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. Put it on the poll plays at lebatardshow, Instagram and Twitter should Uber. Drivers who just stop in the street to pick up people be immediately arrested taxis. Do the same thing there. But I want to drivers arrested because they'd do it more disrespectfully. The the the way that Uber drivers. First of all, Uber drivers ruined the taxi business, and so they should be punished for it. And Furthermore, Uber drivers are more agree GIS. I never know who in front of me is an Uber driver. I know when they stop and it takes ten minutes for them to move because they're just waiting for somebody in the street or they have lit sign in front of the car. They should have one for the they should be arrested is what they should be. Okay. So Tom Brady had a chant. The patriots are terrible a chance. The patriots are feeling disrespected because we had the audacity to make them three point undertone against Kansas City. He's a bit harsh man, you want people like run up next to the car and hop. I was gonna go. Dismembered arrested is me being kind. And Now, Dan is a champion of the taxi industry. Everyone love out of nowhere. I'm just so tired of getting into cards smell like feet, man. Just. Somebody invented car that doesn't smell like feet when I get in it. Don't you get the boozy like Uber cells? They all smell like feet, man. Put it on the poll game of the XL's who all do all Uber through Ober and lift cars smell like feet. Let's get you smell the cab. I know it doesn't smoke it either. But usually at least they do me, the courtesy of one of those Christmas trees on the river, you America that makes it smell like feet and merriment. It seems like you want roads to exist. Just for you know, I just I know it seems to me that Uber drivers think broads exists for just them while they're working. We'll see how the poke comes back. You guys can argue all you want. I'd rather driver pick me up on the street. You know, it would so worse. Those Mujber like pick up lots, and then I got to trust my GPS. I don't know. How do I get he airport? Oh, my go- the worst the worst. Just find me. Find me in honk, please. You know, what happened to me the other day when I was at the airport. So I landed in New Orleans, and I'm I'm trying to get an Uber to get to, you know, the actual city from the movie Armstrong airport, and I'm really angry and my friends relevant. It just adds thinks. It's just irrelevant details because you filibusters, and you know, what the New Orleans Edward didn't need the name for it. Just finish your story. Does this one ending finish your story? You're the story. You came down too hard on details. Yeah. Thank you Bill. That's unnecessary. Eyrie thing because I was upset with my friends because it said the Uber was one hundred dollars, and it was sixty miles away. And is because my phone had me in Mississippi. And then I couldn't get over to realize that I was not in Mississippi, then I redid it had me in a swamp, and it couldn't find me in a swamp. So I ended up getting a taxi. All I could see why you'd need to name it the Louis Armstrong airport there. Now, I could see why. Now now, I understand. It's it's a moment of a piffle for me. So here's Tom Brady chanting because we dared to disrespect him people like this. I am here for forty year old Tom Brady realizing he's allowed to be era Ghent because he's kind of good. I mean, so blessed obviously being here for as long as I have and to play with so many, great, teammates and coaches to represent this team and organization, and obviously to represent you guys is what it's all about. So I can't thank you enough. Were sited ho-. You got hurt side. As I said, let's let them here down Lanta still here. Still here still here. And then he threw the microphone. Really you seem like a mic Trump. But I think he genuinely just meant the toss it to somebody which is an inaccurate pass. They are terrible a chanting. It's the only thing they're terrible at Mike has found them less and less enchanting. He hates the more than he ever has today for some reason. But let's hear Bill Bella check being terrible a chance as well. Please. Anything? Then we're in Reno. Genius champion. I would think he was a lonely loser. He nobody chance with them everyone. They have got a crowd eating out of the poem of their hand. And they can't get anyone to chant 'cause they're terrible chance. What is this going to be over? Never. It's not supposed to last this long. It ten years. They'll be doing that same chance. We're still here. You will have no days off from where sillier. This sorted, and I was a sophomore in high school so much happens. Shorty of my life. It's just them atop the sport than fury eighty over. It used to be a joke before that. That's the funniest part. They were you don't remember the good my entire life. They were a joke like on the level with the jets and the Bill. That's when we were growing up. They were they were the rest of the AFC east for the dolphins. Worth the warriors battle point to. Yes. They were. This. There was a time where they couldn't decide if they wanted Monte Ellas or Steph curry, all right? But let us be clear on something. The one thing that is different between those two things is that the warriors have largely done it with different players. Over the last five years. They've added players like Durant. The patriots have just done it with that coach. And that quarterback did add moss at one time did win the Super Bowl. They got got moss instead of having to pay a max contract they traded like a fifth round draft pick. I know we've asked this question before. But gear MO a put it on the pole. Are are you stunned that Wes Welker has never won a Super Bowl because you're right? They somehow didn't win a Super Bowl when Randy moss was there and played with both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady or winning all the Super Bowl, except when he got there with his what was that Flintstone character? The green thing with the giant helmet because the great new thank you donlevatar. I've a friend. He was very early on as great as a great awful story. It's early in the dating process she has to go to the bathroom bathroom overflows. With debris and stugatz cheese quietly. Trying to clean it up. He walks up the stairs and sees her on her hands and knees, they meet is and she immediately begin sobbing Gore's. He's going to begin sobbing. Again, I would have begun. Some I would look like one. BCC donlevatar show with this to God's own ESPN radio guests on the Dan lebatardshow here via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Getting touch with the show any time to the one eight hundred flowers Twitter feed at lebatardshow at stugotz ninety for special occasions, like Valentine's one eight hundred flowers has the best bouquets and deals around like eighteen red roses for just twenty nine ninety nine or upgrade its four red roses for just one dollars more so order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. Happy seventieth birthday to Gregg Popovich happy birthday to his. I don't care. Good luck. I feel for Gregg Popovich. I know he's had a lot of success. And he's not exactly the person who's going to get a lot of pity. But when you lose your wife and your job becomes less relevant because the people you're coaching make your team less relevant. I wonder what that landmark birthday is when you're not with the guys or the woman you used to be with that made your life. I know it sad. What happened Mike? What happened? I brought it to a weird place. What do you mean? A weird place. I think of landmark birthdays getting old mortality and extinction. What do you mean? A weird play. I'm certain it's lonely, but I think he uses that job and his team and the players he's coaching, regardless of who they are as you know, that's an awfully sad facility to go to Stu gods when you used to be a champion there. And what you're now coaching isn't close to that. Some people would say that pop is done his best job coaching this year. And it's. Twenty nine twenty two with the more to Rosie O in the Western Conference would say some people would say that nobody I'm telling you find one who would say it on the poll. I have said it. I'm looking for a second. All right. Put it on the poll is this Gregg Popovich is best coaching would some say say, my okay, fine using funniest thing from sports Rican this time, but thanks Dan ruined Gregg Popovich for me is if people don't have enough going on in their lives now. Now made horribly sad by Gregg Popovich is bright. The reason I'm talking about it is this seventy three year old Pat Riley who still won't talk to Larry Bird, Michael Jordan because of the competitiveness of those fires decades ago guys like Gregg Popovich, they're seeing LeBron take the league from them. Like, they're getting old in a way that you've never seen before where LeBron has got the power Riley's flying the Cleveland to meet with the LeBron LeBron's guys who already portrayed him one. I think what they're seeing the warriors taking the league away from everyone. There seem player empowerment I reserve doing that to the Bronco y quite Leonard doing that to Gregg Popovich. I'm sure they could have a pet writing Gregg Popovich can have a hell of a conversation over bottle one and just rained about kids these days, by the way. I misspoke there. I don't know that I really don't know whether Riley was in Cleveland. No, I saw that. He wasn't Cleveland. I know that part. I don't know if he was in Cleveland to because clutch management is headquartered in Cleveland. That's the part. I don't know. You said you can't take it back and get back. That's my truth. I wanna get to Greg Cody he'll be with us tomorrow. But Chris, Cody his son actually videotapes portions of the fantasy football gala. He hosts everyday speaking that. Oh my God. It's a gala official. It's a gala. That's my true. It's a gale. It's also not their fantasy football. It's PF which is different from fantasy football PF PI league PF is pro football picks international or something like that. Horb braided. No, it's not a fine. It's helpful guys. We're being way to mean, the Billy, no. Oh, Dan dollars. Okay. So can we get to the sound of Greg? Cody just he's standing stiffly in front of a television camera. There is a Calvin camera there in a phone, whatever. There is a cat. You know cleaning itself in in places that cats clean themselves that make it pretty unpleasant, but funny to look at. So he does this every year. Chris how many people are in the room as he's making this announcement how many people usually six this year. There was seven because you're laughing at ROY tell me what I tell my television camera referring to it as a television camera. No, sometimes we say off color remarks instigates voice because there's always a slight chance that might actually do that. We make ourselves laugh by doing this year. There were seven my brother's girlfriend got the invite this year has been with her a couple years. She was able to be there this year of the seven how many people are actually listening. She's the only one who applauds the Sela. -brate the victory of Greg cody's championship run through his Lobos playoff league. Well hall. Eighteen season the gale on ward ceremony crowning heart what third season and fifteenth of the modern era on your shirt, Greg. As desert are just enjoyed champions dinner we related seasons in its new champion Greg for logo. He also walked off the set while the Commissioner and then walked back on to accept his award. This isn't show where tomorrow because we get all the details. Remember, the champion gets to decide what's for dinner. So I have so many questions for Greg came to have any more. Greg Cody sound from the PF PI gala to fit in the next five second right here. The gala to get him on the hard network out cash. More of the Dan labor third show with stugatz then to one eastern on ESPN radio and ESPN news. I can't believe it. That Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets. Look here comes one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead everybody. No, I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. Geico. Are you? Oh, projected increase and organic three revenue. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance card that ranks up there as the most humbling moment in my life, Stu gods that getting drunk on white wine on a date one time that I pooped in a bargain. Wait a minute out loud. I was last week VC's live at our show with us to God's own ESPN radio. Happy forty third birthday to Miami's own Rick role birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck. Time now for stugatz is weekend. Observations. It is time for us to share his game notes. No, one in the media will tell you what happened better than my voice to wake of Asians brought to you by vivid seats with the vivid seats up it's easy to find awesome seats to any game. Download the app and enter promo code Shams at checkout to get ten percent off your first order. Meaningless predictions radio row. A healthy dose of Tedy Bruschi and celebrities pushing ridiculous products Super Bowl week is here. The Super Bowl otherwise notifies on short waters her Tony Romo. Kevin Durant is attending. Nick, collison jersey retirement over Russell Westbrook's dead body, which incidentally, I don't think we'll ever die, by the way, K D. Your number should have been the first number retired in that building. But you couldn't close out the warriors up three one. So rather than beat them? Join them and now your jersey hang somewhere along the easy path. What happened there man, not sure if you're paying attention, but after down season in which I'm still trying to make some sense out of Vince Vaughn true detective is back. Seth Rollins Brock Leser wrestlemainia collision course after last year's love fest over Brad Stevens. Does anyone plan on ripping him for what an? Awful job. He's done this season. Let me be the first read hers. Great as you wear last year you've been equally as awful this year. You are two and a half games better than the nets. That's right. You are two and a half games better than Kenny Atkinson at Celtic players do me a favor enough with the we have too much talent thing that you're excuse. We're not playing up to expectations because we're too talented. Please bigger it out. Kenny Acton is winning with road downs Herkus and had Davis. That's his name Redon's Qurqus and Davis, Anthony Davis. Brooklyn nets. Collision course, the NFL not acknowledging the saints got hoes plus finding Robbie Nicol Coleman twenty seven thousand dollars for a helmet to helmet equals me. So let me get this, right? Been ballot is undefeated. Every time he dresses up like a demon yet against Brock listener. He decides stroll into the ring not looking like a demon, Dan. I just can't make heads or tails of it perplexing. I have so many bets for the Super Bowl Sunday that at this point anytime. Someone breeds I will win or lose money gambling being legalized sports getting in bed with gambling companies bad call four rests would. So Cal ties, you know, what's been opened up them. One of the dumbest things I've ever seen. You're going to say a can of worms, but. Dumbest things I've ever alert. It's a can of worms. How'd you know? Why is it a can of worms can you? Can you look that up for us? Chris please don't look now. But Novak Djokovic is quickly on his way to becoming the best. Men's tennis player of all time the joker Patrick Mahomes. Congratulations on doing it in the wrong bowl. The wrong. Andrew luck is just happy to be alive. The wizards are better without John wall. Radley bills happier without John wall DC area. Nightclubs are going under without John wall. True. And so two two or three of them have gone bankrupt. Because John wall isn't available to go there right Now, Dan nowhere, Paul. Georgia's name belongs. Do you? The hall of fame in the MVP conversation. Oh, hear me loud and clear curry play Draymond K D cousins the season is over. Hey, Patrick know who doesn't waste time. Winning pro bowls Tom Brady, the most credible thing I've ever seen in all my years. Watching sports is the NFC going scoreless through three quarters of the Pro Bowl. Jerry Jones thinks if he fired the head coach of the team that won scoreless through three quarters of the Pro Bowl that at least five teams would fire their head coach and hire a coach that went scoreless through three quarters of the Pro Bowl. No way he meant that that quote is as fake as his face. There. It is lab it that's restraint. Yes. It is. The only thing the jets have gotten right in the last decade is Jamal Adams. I hate them wanna know what tacking looks like it looks like the Knicks and VIN Baylor not dressing up like a demon. It's Ballard and Mike. You so mad at me because he came in here to tell me before weekend up stations that it's Beller and not Baylor. Sorry. My there your weekend survey if I'm Tony Romo, I don't eat any food during the Super Bowl wouldn't want him to choke. Go ahead. Tell me the last time you cared about the sag awards. I dare you nicer LeBron James the let the pelicans no now that Anthony Davis is never coming back. Every Laker not name lebrons. Jane? I hope you're renting. And that includes you, Luke. Walton if you wonder to yourself recently, and who hasn't whatever happened to Jalil Okeafor, I found him he's in New Orleans at playing, well, my what one might say excuse me, Jalil Okeafor is back is Rich Paul. Lebron James seeing Carmelo Anthony sitting in Madison Square Garden wearing street. Clothes really brought back the memories if the Knicks ever retire Carmelo's jersey, they won't raise his jersey to the rafters. Go raises string close to the rafters. It on the poll gear much of the Knicks raise Carmelo street close to the raptor. Carmelo don't mistake those cheers received last night as cheers of appreciation for what you did on the court. They were cheers of appreciation for you. No longer playing on their court New Orleans, and you thought the reps screwed you last week must feel like hell her New Orleans, but it's only a week New Orleans. Unlike our Briars who's there for turning Dan those other weekend observations, did you see that Cam Jordan of the saints was at the Pro Bowl wearing a shirt that read blow whistles not games. I made enough of them seriously. How long are they going to complain about a blown call like, they're the only organization that's ever been on the wrong end bad seriously enough, they wanna call from Roger Goodell. What's that gonna do? That's gonna make feel better. I've the origins of can of worms. It's a fishing reference in the days before plastic and styrofoam containers bait shops often sold earthworms and other live bait the fishermen in metal cans with handles lids liberty card you guys used to work out together. Right. You in Daming used to spot you. Yes, we we hadn't tore it bromance. We were running on the beach together jogging on the beach, and we would sprint and earn really high socks, and then we would run into the ocean together that one time I made at mom sorry, that's rocking and abolish creed. I make my story this to God's mentally and seems like he'd be over aggressive spotter. Like just hearing you on come on. We'll more push it live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Guests on the Dan lebatardshow appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Here's your sport center update. The AFC winds its third straight Pro Bowl of the NFC, Patrick Mahomes, Jamal Adams, we're named Pro Bowl. VP's nineteen year old Luca dockage begin the first teenager in NBA history with they thirty point triple double dropping thirty five points, twelve rebounds, Tennessee's wasn't enough. Then averick still lost to the raptors. Wouldn't it be gone? What am I saying? Well, yeah, you're making one seal hard. 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Is that Bill Gates story is that related in any way to is it BuzzFeed or the Huffington Post? There's some places that are in trouble with layoffs where they're not giving their employees days that they're owed paid vacation days that they're owed. And so while it's very nice. If the gates and the gates is can certainly afford to do that. I do believe there are a number of different companies across the country that are cutting people that aren't doing that put this on the poll, please at lebatardshow gear mo-, I think Scott's actually stumbled across a cool nickname. The done is a cool, Nick. Name. For Luca dockage Kong. How about that put on the poll Guillermo, which one's better as famed for Luca the dawn or the Donkey Kong? Mike, I've got to do something because I've got to explain this to the audience. This is again, something that has happened that appears now to be annual. We work out of the Cleveland or hotel on tenth and ocean on south beach. It is a party place and very often the music can be bad. But it's our kind of bet. It's Pitt bull. It's it's loud, it's festive. But about this time of year now for a couple of different years. This death metal cruise makes an. Oh, no. Roy that is the proper reaction because the music that is playing here. I walk. I walk across a beautiful courtyard. There's sunshine and everything I wanna run back inside because the music is so aggressive that frightens me. It makes my chest hurt and in frightens me. Mike. How can you be excited about that? You're no war. But for a cruise. On my. Wow. It has been you. Believe calls got traded till the short. It has been a while since we've heard from death metal hockey guy Lear. Yeah, I believe downstairs too. I believe it was the worst selling of all the merchandise shirts. Metal guy. Sure that that did not get off the ground. We saw specs and we're like, no one. How would you explain to the simple? It's been difficult to explain don't let me explain to the audience where it is. We work when you get here. They give you PINA colada. Okay. When you check in their rockstar suites. It's very Miami. It's been Miami since spring break nineteen eighty it the Cleveland or hotel is sits on a famous strip of land. And it's a party palace. And there are sometimes these conventions that roll through here that are terrifying. Couple of weeks ago is the bitcoin people. Yeah. They just rolled. Remember that remember bitcoin, but the bitcoin convention people, like whatever you imagine that looks like it's what it looks like broke. All bunch of Stu gods? I was one last hurrah for bitcoin the Cleveland hotel on of a let's spend all our bitcoins there. So how would you explain ROY? You have the the same reaction. I did which is once this thing hit my temples. And I got knocked sideways into the pool. I'm like, I don't want to hear this all week at that. In another reason for me, not going down. There is afraid of those people. Well, that's the other. Well, that's so nice. They're so nice. Yes. It's a little odd. When all you hear is low right downstairs. It's a it's a nice mix it up with a little five. Finger death punch every now, and then they're very nice people down there. I can't wait to go down. I'm gonna catch a scene. Let's see what's down there. Let's see. We sent a camera crew down there. It's a little cold for the death metal people, and they don't get up at this hour. They usually pollute the place about three pm. Just don't send me down there. I don't want to go down there. I what happened Chris. What would doing? We just making a spectacle at of nice people that want to enjoy the south Florida sun during the winter Clinton, some of their favorite Hoon's, but it on the poll Guillermo can you trust death? Metal people can't you. They call the the events seventy thousand tons of metal. It's more than that. A lot of middleman. I mean. Listen to me, ROY. I love Miami. That music has made me consider moving. Wow. This it it comes through here. It's sweeps through here and it plays so loud and so- incessantly, Mike, I didn't think Super Bowl week could get any worse but throw some death metal in and see if it's oh for the little guy. She's constantly. No, it's worse than that. It's more tonnage than that. I want to do like the head Bank thing. But it gives me. Yes. Your temples hurt. Mike. This is this is wonderful compared to what it is that on the speakers downstairs, this is I want to dance to this comprehensively. Yes. A good baseline, Mike the music that's playing on the speakers at the clevelander frightens me. I am actively scared and walking around is this onslaught Chris my wrong. Am I wrong, Billy? You're in a row. Sees you go out there. And check on those people. See if that music doesn't scare you right into the sea should are. Nice people. Like anyone else just like different music than we do. Mike. This isn't terrible. Compared to what it is that. I'm listening to down there. You're talking about more like. No. Like that. Really nailed it. Yes. Yes, Chris that is what I'm talking about a week of that. I think that we should ask all week the question. What is the single most important thing? The Rams have to do to beat the patriots in the Super Bowl with you doing that in the background you doing that every time. Sixty bands four days. One crew only three thousand tickets seventy thousand tons of metal. What are some of the band's onslaught? Magin stumbling into that cruise. You're like, oh, let's have a good cruise because sometimes they don't completely sell it out. So they have to split up. You know, the seniors are on this boat at all of a sudden, there's onslaught atrocity. The one on go ahead. Name some of these bands. This can be fun. Clearly, the captain of the ship is art Bryant in vain. Simon and Garfunkel, what cash more of the Dan labor are show with us to guts, ten to one eastern on ESPN radio and ESPN news. It is Super Bowl week. I hate to propose a week. I think it's the worst of us in terms of broadcast coverage and commercialism, and you wanna talk to this guest, and let him Pell you about this hoagies Celik, and I just hate all of and it is a sad time. And and I want to mock all of it this week, and I want to give people a look behind the scenes of what happens here as we try to plan because Billy's got some funny ideas that I can't wait to see executed, and I'm hearing him sort of talk about them as gods makes his way through the room launching sausage fingers at everyone and saying every major Gulf should have a mulligan on mulligan. Like, he's just and I and I say to him. Yes, guys. I heard you the first three times you mentioned I heard ship one mulligan per major. I heard you every time you said it, but in the interim poor. Allison as this is happening as Billy is talking about how he's gonna make neurotic mess of the Super Bowl covered as Stu gods is changing golf with his sausage fingers. I also wanna backboard that's behind the Cup it kinda shifts around depending on where you're putting from. And it gives you a little added opportunity to Bank it in the Bank is opened in in the middle of all of that. I felt sad for Alison because this is her job. Okay. I want you to listen to alison's life dealing with publicists, by the way, she is gonna get us that ten year old who won his or her science fair by proving that Tom Brady cheated during Super Bowl. But evidently, there's a line of interview requests that we have to wait for dad to give permission. That is where I want us to sort of start our Super Bowl coverage up. But that's not the worst of it. Allison, tell people the worst of it. Because this is what Alison was coming to me with daily. We have crud. Like this. It's happening because we're always stepping no one really knows what it's like to book for you. Because you're always like this person this person, and it's always a nightmare because you do things like are they in a list celebrity or they are you a sex addict just like just a nightmare to book for and when you're not there Super Bowl. And I'm there with the guest and the publicist. I'm a mean again, I'm spending my life saying sorry. So over the weekend. I started getting some confirmations of the different guests that are booked this week and this weekend. This was the Email that I hold on before you get to that Mike every year. This time we go through the list of people that we've turned down, which always funny. We have such a list yet people we've turned down as a show that have been offered to. I was shocked, but I know we've turned down every decker. Super Bowl week without decker. We once said we have already said, yes, devante Freeman realize. No too busy. Can't have. Devante Freeman hasn't Eric decker always been on the outside looking in on Super Bowl week. Like you said you can't have Super Bowl week without Eric decker? I'm pretty sure we've had every Super Bowl week without Eric decker is he played in the Super Bowl. I'm not certain. I think he's been on the outside looking in in terms of playing in the Super Bowl, which makes him a staple on Super Bowl week. I mean, you got to have them on radio row staple Eric decker? So Alison, this is her real life. This is something that happens because she's always dealing with publicist and handlers, you should see how many the rock cats. I had to go through a labyrinth of about twenty people to get to the top publicist of rock Eric decker played in a Super Bowl with the Broncos lost to the Seahawks was held the one reception for six yards. Okay. So there was that brief meteoric flashing across the sky that was one catch for six yards because you can't have. Super Bowl without Eric decker. The got confirming. I won't say who the guest is. Thanks again for having him on last time. We had him on. I know there was a conversation about Larry FitzGerald, but the client actually tune in for that. And it made him uncomfortable. We totally understand dance personality in the nature of the show. And how fun it is. But just wanted to call it out and hope that we need to be able to avoid it. This time mayor met could be any of forty. I adventure guests. But like I said we've oh that's been a stable a bedrock of my journalism career. I've asked it on radio and television, one of my favorite screen shots is Larry FitzGerald face with something beneath him saying, do, you know old women grab your butt in a mall, and they do I just thought who it was. That's the part. That's not funny that I'm the only one there because he won't be there. He'll be running around doing his neurotic nuts like stuff that. He does. Then I'll be sitting there on comfortable like, I'm sorry. I the great part is he'll be there to soothe you. Yeah. He's so smooth. Oh, he just does nothing, but insta- get all this stuff. And he would hate if someone did that to him just would hate it. Billy was your weekend filled with fear. What's strange thing? Did you fear this week? I'm fearing right now. The amount of red bull. The poor Mike is drinking to try and keep his corpse awake. Yeah. That you need to come down with that. It's not water. What's the daily recommended amount that you should drink a day because I don't think like or you're on says twenty four it's it's less than order on more than I should. Everyone put it on the poll. Guillermo, does everyone drink fewer energy drinks, and Ed or didn't he say eighteen to twenty four day? Isn't that the number that he gave us some crazy number? Look, I'm being responsible about it. I have the sugar free version and there's only five calories again that is the number by the way, eighteen twenty four. My trank a dozen of the other day. I'm having about fifty five dollars. That's very responsible of you. Let's let's backtrack for a second. Here though, hell is wrong with asking people about the perfection of Larry FitzGerald. But we've all noticed. We've all been noticing it for ten years. I've got a monopoly on truth telling I'm keeping it real well notice, but don't pretend like you haven't. It's perfect. It's not moving off this subject. Maybe I should ask everybody. Maybe that should be what I should ask every guest we have on this. These children. Time for some. What are you laughing at poor Alison Jesus grow? No, really loud. It's perfect, man. I'm going to send Lorenzo one of my favorite screen shots. So he could put it up on ESPN news donlevatar. There was a play at home plate and his tenure was rounding third and going home. And I got the ball right before. She. Okay. No. She I threw the ball at her. So hor. They're out from where where were you throwing the ball from two feet away? Take my kickball seriously man still guts, but it was just reactionary and eye on the ball. There's a play the plate. I threw it at her. And you probably put up two fingers. Two. Live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. All right. So this kid who one is science fair ten year old by proving that Tom Brady cheated. He's there on the line Allison's amazing. She has pulled him out of school his name. Of course is a Davis. So he's there. Super Bowl week as Davis. You're gonna have to wait for a second. I'm sorry kid wasn't as Sal was not as he that is our friend. Kenny G has arrived to celebrate the Super Bowl, I'm assuming it's Kenny. Gee, it's not as is it east doesn't play that. Well, does he old? I think he can play that. Well, at ten oh, this is very excited airy, oh, this means that Super Bowl week is actually here, right? Super bowl. We doesn't start a radio row until Jim Rome gets there. But our SuperBowl. Week doesn't start until Kenny G gets right? And he's gonna. That's right. You're going to be down here soon with the Honda Classic PJ event. Because you kick everybody's ass in Gulf, right? Well, I'm going to be playing with Larry the cable guy George Lopez. And Joe and Greg Norman that's going to be a great group. Oh, you're gonna love. Greg. Norman George Lopez. Not so much. No, no, George, George is an old friend of mine we used to work together. A long time. I love George Lopez. He's I love him. He's the best doing offending friend. I didn't know that. I find George less funny than he does. Anyway, what we do during the Super Bowl. It's important. We're going to ask every what happened Mike just just remember what Alison said being a jerk. It's a long story Kenny, but it has to do with. No, it's not. All right. They don't want to do that. Let's go ahead and play the question that kicks off Super Bowl week every week. We're gonna play it. We do so every Super Bowl week. And what ends up happening is the guests come on. And they don't worry at all about stugatz health and the asking the question, what's the single most important fame need to do to beat the patriots. For me to play the anthem. That'll do it. There. It is. Right there. That's all it takes. All right. We're going to talk to you tomorrow. Can't wait to talk to you tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you. Unfortunately, h Davis is dead. Chris. He's going to let him stay here out of school. They're here right now. Okay. I thought we might have to wait until next segue. Save is the kid here. Right. Yeah. You could go to ace dash Davis dot com. If you want more information about his experiment. He's got a website the ten year old. I mean, a rogue scout. I'm out in a feel the baseball diamond out in Kentucky somewhere. And there is eighth. David on the hill, you're going to sign him up. So he's here with with his father. Chris thank you guys for joining us. Chris if you would set it up for us, please explain to us how this science fair experiment came to be in. Thank you again for joining a Nope around guys. You're welcome. So you know, how science fairs man, parents are always dreaded home and stuff and a lot of the time. The parents wind up doing the bulk of the work and all that nonsense. This was just a I thought a clever way to try and get you know, my football loving son kinda interested in actually wanting to do something. And he's got the the rivalry. With his cousins who are patriots fans. And just like, it was always you man is like where you know, scientists and guys scientists are like calling me wanting to bait my ten year old about this stuff. Well, let's I wanna talk them. I don't wanna debate one right here. I don't want to debate him ace tell us how you prove that the patriots are cheaters. How did you do that? Side different balls, one five pound and that there's another nine pounds. We have that the five time you get those five or do catch your head to target year. There's hasn't found is a little bit hardens that town, but not the nine pounds. But I mean, the nine Pounder I play with that all the time. And I feel a difference with the five pound ball and the nine. What were the theories of your competitors in the science fair that you annihilated like what were the things they were doing that were less provable or less? Good than what you did. Something about what you're friends projects were. So why am I French project was? Like he had a coke and put mental and it, and they can Fota and solid one exploded farther. Classic. Did you laugh at hit? Did you laugh at how that that wasn't nearly as good as yours? What what is the prize that you got for this, by the way? What does it look like? Just gonna district. I guess that's a surprise. And were you surprised that you want or did you expect to win? I didn't expect enough. Like, usual. Like almost winning. But not really you. Have you never one is this the first time you've won the science fair. It is my first time there. Okay. All right. So you came into gate strong rookie of the year right here. And So Chris where where do people go? What are they going to see on the website that we're about to crash Radi cheating? I tell you what guys man we we got the just the beginning. Putting seed of it set up about one o'clock this morning, but we're going to throw up some daily updates with Acis thoughts on the Super Bowl and the game and predictions, and maybe some football tips from my little star quarterback here and the big plans if we're not at the Super Bowl, you know, somebody comes to the Super Bowl we may have to renege on this. But we're thinking about doing like the livestream during the Super Bowl. So I can like risks and go off the top of the head and comment on the game. As it goes on singer be a lot of fun. I style Chris. So what are you trying to get? Are you trying to get you do it for me? Fourteen a minute. Wait a minute. What do we need to do? Right foot in a coin Allison, what are we need to do right now to get Chris and ace to be part of our Super Bowl coverage trailing you and Billy. Let's figure that out. We'll take the negotiations off the air. But I I just realized we don't have a planning problem. We have a you problem before we get to that. Those two gots has got an important question for ace. Let's give it to him. What's the single most important fame? Need to do to beat the patriots. But to the Rams after do to beat the patriots. I'm by the key. But the patriots might. Really a lot. And a lot. And so defense needs to step up. All excellent now is into the Dan lebatardshow with as soon as thank you for joining us. Chris thank you for joining us. Don't hang up where abouts in ago, she ate on fair. This. She'll every time for some at aces all show McVeigh. Guys, don't think it would be great to be trailing ten year old on radio row who won in science, fair and Kentucky. For a couple of flights. Brady embellish echo, let that get anywhere around that Super Bowl. We'll get them credential. No problem. One of the world's most secure, wait a minute to get him. Credential radio row, isn't it in some shopping mall somewhere? They'll let billion they'll let anybody in donlevatar. You wanna make something smart? Really dumb. I give you guys. Stugatz. You love sandwiches. VC's libertas show with two guys on ESPN radio. Top rated pros for any home project at homeadvisor dot com. Is Luke Walton going to survive this. It's over Luke Walton lost one game with the warriors right while replacing Steve Kerr, Steve that's been amazing to watch too got Steve Kerr Derek Fisher had the same career path when they started coaching. The Knicks swallow Derek Fisher like the contract that Steve Kerr sign was exactly the same as Derek Fisher's because they were both in exactly the same position. No real experience veteran on the court veteran leader, let's put him in charge of our franchise. Listen, everyone. Look, he is your father. He is no longer the Lakers father. He is done period. And of discussion it's over at lebatardshow on Twitter is how you check on the polls. How you vote on the polls Stu gods here to tell us. We have had a number of polls today. So let's see how fun the show was Tyron low you think by the what? No that's a done deal at lebatardshow on Twitter. Would you be disoriented? If you saw a movie poster about the challenger explosion, featuring miles. Oh, what is? Member David Blatt. Look well done Harry end the discussion ninety one percent of the audience said, yes, yes. They would be disoriented the nine percent that wouldn't like you would just walk by. That's totally normal. 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The Sedano Show (HR 3)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

The Sedano Show (HR 3)

"So now the show you're on espionage kirk morrison here ben lines here on aj a fourth of july eve fourth of july yeah nice hotshots james davis enough you've heard his a co why he played it on on e s p n last week a the human nature yeah so he shot a video for down in venice all the murals going up shots all the mural less artist and outlay yeah we had a lot of really talented admitted women who are creating an art community and i love that it's all basketball themed they've turned intermural gary is great i'm all into it so if anybody wants to put up murals of you know i alex caruso or who else is on the lakers right now from phoenix everybody pretends to say oh he's a good shooter but yeah let's be you've never really seen in play like that's exciting right that you know really around see what happens is you're gonna phoenix now and that's like x out you know what i'm saying like people forget about if you leave feeling so brian windhorst was on tv earlier on sports center and he made a comment about trying to reid tea leaves okay especially with all the pomp and circumstance it happened today so here's kind of overarching point was don't assume just because co why went back to toronto today means that he's signing with the raptors like don't make that leap don't make that assumption an it's what i told kirk and i'm curious your thoughts ben like i'm with him on that because i happen to think that for everything i know about why is that he is pretty regular dude standup guy right family guy and my guess is in those situations you're going to if you're gonna break i want somebody you're probably gonna do it face the face because they they put you in a position 'em and you put them in a position to win a championship but you did that together and i think you oh each other that at least so people are trying to connect the dots saying that because he went back the toronto as his last meeting in this process that the incumbent usually is the favorite in that spot and because of all the stuff that happened like everyone following hammond all the crowds and all that but he's gonna be rude by all that and be like oh this is where i need to be no that has nothing to do with it at all there had a very good possibility that he goes back fair to take that final meeting an say to them thank you for this one year my life and i gotta go back down at my apartment in pack some things up and get back on the pj that their loss angeles i mean when you're on a private jet life doesn't really matter where you are no get anywhere in three hours four hours it doesn't matter the fact that he went back there do these things do there you might have a it wasn't a story that came out that he had invested in a condo or some real estate academy other stuff going on i know i'm thinking oh because he's in toronto now that means he's gonna stay in toronto i don't turn out there and all i mean if you're gonna break up with them you do it in perhaps when you're a grown up by collide leonard not somebody who there have been immaturity question avarice s or you know this is a main guy in the league a guy who seems to be stand up on every level it doesn't seem childish immature petito is known as a negative energy around that so yeah you gotta you gotta if you are gonna partways you go to a to a to a toronto and you sit down and say goodbye and he got on jet and yet that's all i think he's doing a little let the champagne smell die down a little bit too you know what i mean you still high off the bubbly you know what i mean the champagne everybody's happy and excited then once that champagne smell goes away a little bit now let's get down to business 'em i'm at a time in a point in my career where i'm looking at you and the guy messiah jury and tell me how is this next three to five years going to go with my life yeah okay like tell me are you going to be here because if we continue to win you've got offers that if i'm you i feel like i gotta take i'm just saying the washington wizards offer me two million income you know run their basketball operations i'm not i'm not so sure i'm turn it down you know what i mean they have for power so i think more of this meeting was that he solved it looks like an ally in terms of the clippers you saw what the lakers and now that 'cause i really believe that once he he was done with that parade he was gone like i'm out i'm see i'll see you later so they probably haven't had the communication face to face since the parade and now let's talk business tell me what's gonna happen the next three to five years old what do you see happening give me the picture of what the raptors franchise look flag in the next two to three years yeah i think that's all fair and i think that him and his team have been super diligent about the way they've gone about this process and they're gonna take their time as they should because let's face it you know we've kind of outline this before you got here but he wasn't super duper highly recruited a going into college the pac twelve schools kind of passed on him san diego state take the chance on him any obviously flourishes a you know it wasn't a lottery pick up the way the whole san antonio thing unfolded and now he finally has this chance to like i'm in control and i'm gonna take control in this scenario end it's the only way you can make him the most interesting relevant important basketball player in the world right now is his personality is in out there like that right i always try to imagine like picture the cover of e in the magazine season preview who's gonna be on the cover what's the story right because choir is so talented on the court he should be one of those guys but he's really not by then taking a bath by them being patient and letting all the chips fall and now everyone's everyone's focused on them they have the the tension there on the cover right now everyone's talking about the only way if kevin and gotten hurt he him going in brooklyn would be like the cover he'd be the most talked about guy this year making the move so there's power in that and not only in terms of your money and you're shoe deal but just in terms of what guys wanna come play with you what coaches wanna come be there so i love i love what he's doing right now i mean to your point kevin durant went first call i will go last basically we're gonna take a break is the big fella kendrick perkins is in studio that he is a former champ or is coming today's rock champion kendrick perkins he's a veteran champion an insider he's turned into an outsider all of a sudden it so we're gonna talk to gender burgers will break a little early we got a big segment in part a sit down and show back in four and a half minutes on iast mentally at saddana show here on espionage kendrick perkins hanging out with us here in studio along with ben lines at kirk morrison big park good to see you man i done forever again memory say yes sir always plus yes sir thank you are pleasure a so you've turned into an insider since the last time around here you know what i'm saying like you've gone from mbh champion to former player to analysts to insider you broke the news before everybody well i just took a give life everybody think is man katie close friends like i knew the inside like he told me and all this no light and i tried the get it out of like i every time we talk on the phone bless okay like he like part i don't know bro i'm like i then coagulation normal but i just thought put in the bits and pieces together like you start adding up to me you know he was in new york he's rehabbing a he had surgery new york then all of a sudden kyri you know he's our rock nation which we know a rich climbing ones porter rock nation in and then just start adding up and i'm like so we can count brooklyn out and then all of a sudden bam missed the net yeah but rightfully so no because you guys given this credit though like sean marks in that whole organization the way they turn and run them moving in the right direction you know so you had the get him a lot of creative coaches staffer so now and then you've got young guys like boulevard who's really really good so you know i think it was the right move and i think he's still give him the the time to recover though you know what i mean we we we we act like he's gonna be ready in january or or or february or maybe a playoff run this dude is not playing any mbh this year right so do you have an organization that still gonna be stable enough give him the regiment that he needs the comeback and not feel like he has to rush back absolutely i think i brooklyn is that is that is that organization i mean i think they have the pieces to lease finish fourth maybe third in the east right now on you know they're not that far off they still got dinwiddie so they got room i mean you know they could finish jesus is wide open nonetheless co why goes in rossum right right right for sure on the collide thing to me is just fascinating we've talked about it just a second ago about how look he wasn't and highly recruited 'em in college you know he got drafted outside the lottery the whole san antonio situation kind of a d at santa toronto now or necessarily where he wanted to go and then it all works itself out this is the first time he's actually been in control of his situation so i'm going with letting him take his time to decide a little bit how are you on that well i love it for a while because here's a guy that don't don't like the spotlight you don't like the tub but he is he is the man right now like he is that guy he he deserved he deserve every bit of what's going on and i i love that he's getting all the attention 'em you know i'm ready for him and make a decision the only problem i have with it is is that you know it's affecting other free agents yeah you know like you know you don't wanna take money out other free agents like i just wish she hurry up in in kind of made the decision which i think he'll make it tomorrow in the fourth and give her some flowers i have a little fourth quite heavy at be idea of him taking so long not only hurts those other free agents for where they might sign but could potentially hurt the team where he signs because let's say does come to the lakers they've now miss out on a week of filling out that roster was so do you think the longer he waits it impacts what the clippers do what the raptors you're just in terms of okay you're here now let's move forward well yeah i think i don't think it impact because they're gonna wait they want him you know the clippers tebas want on the lakers wanna and obviously toronto wanna back so you do impact could you could lose out on free agency but you know say if you go to the lakers you don't really matter who you put around him at that point to our full full of us could go out there and just play a major role in just go out and do we do not have clubbers then a different situation but serrano he goes back to the toronto they look lucas favor to come out of the east in my opinion you know they bring it back everybody body a cook of faith particularly behind the curtain on a only on these interviews on these meetings we should say like when you were in eight meeting who did you wanna talk to where the general manager present a basketball operations assistant coach trainer like if you're in the meeting who did you wanna talk to you want us all to everybody and willing to accept because you i mean you wanna get a feel for what's going on you wanna talk to you also wanna talk to former players that play for of for the organization you wanna go and visit dog and said you wanna go see they practice facility you wanna go see what type of you know environment you're putting yourself in you wanna talk to the guy who's gonna be doing all the treatment on your body you wanna talk seltzer the general manager who's gonna be making decisions about surround the players around you you wanna talk to the head coach who's gonna be drawn a play plays and put you in a position to be successful so you wanna kind of touched base around the whole you know around everybody you wanna talk to the owner you wanna get a feel see if you like the owner and he is he a cool dude kid you ceo of plans for his organization you want us is he arrogant noisy humble that plays a major part in it and i think you know you just wanna to his base is all across the board kendrick perkins hanging out with this year m one of the things that came out which is interesting like we spoke to magic daily times reported ported that brad turner a reporter that and you know magic he apparently ask magic according to brad 'em you know what's up with all this dysfunction that you guys dealt with an magic is like paraphrasing now something to the effect of you know families fight you know that's all in the past were good but then the report came out today that he met with the lakers people individually i thought that was really clever move because if you're asking magic about all the dysfunction you wanna see if everyone's got the same story right absolutely has like you know one one some what if we all go rob a bank wouldn't have holyfield the foothills and that was a smart move by why listen i love the waco wind this camp is is is is handling and i think a lot of kids the upcoming stars that's coming into the league and there's gonna be gone through this they needed take notes because they doing things the right way in you know go i took a lot of criticism last year you know for because quote unquote the spurs in the popovich and you know nobody should nobody should ever do wrong by the spurs but cohen idea what is best for co why and it turned out to be the best fook anything to the fact that wise a quiet guy who keeps his circle very small doesn't like all the hype and hoopla has this conversation with magic johnson surprise surprise the story out in the media the conversation went great it's amazing he's talking magic then in toronto there's five thousand people at the hotel and the airport and just crazy clippers shoe quiet nothing no nothing nothing that seems kind of in lockstep with how collide moves yeah there's something so that they met on ocean so imagine that he met with jerry west doc rivers lawrence frank embalmer you know we're talking about guys were forty billion dollars we do with who we well not jersey doc rivers who's the one of the best coaches in the league lawrence frank the whole organization they moved and silence and nobody knew about the meeting i knew about it i got inside source of course you would have everybody saying there was a done deal but that's how they did they move and silence so i do wanna ask you a little bit about them a about dock at 'cause i've heard things about doc in those rooms and you clearly with no play having played for him 'em and i wanna kinda give you a working theory i have on the situation that includes potentially benefiting the clippers not so we'll get to some of that any other side we're back in two and a half minutes kendrick perkins is in studio ben lines kirk morrison saddana show yes be another show here on espn la kendrick perkins a big sellers in studio with us kirk morrison and ben lyons is well so couple of things i wanna get a doc story out of you will do that in a second but i but i got a working theory on this free agency would live my working theory is i'm not alone on this zach lowe is kind of in this to over 'em that the longer this thing goes that this could potentially benefit the clippers because they're the ones that still have real assets that could potentially put on the table to deal for an allstar that's in inconvenient situation bradley's so or you know kevin love or whatever i even said look at a team like oklahoma city those guys haven't got in the first round you know what i'm saying like you could you could look at those all those scenarios russell is bruce or a paul georgia's around la you know what i'm saying like longdale right palmdale yeah it's a different time that's my point is that all that stuff could be out there for them so the longer this goes the potential for that unfold like do you buy that that the longer this goes the clippers would have been quiet as ben sat in tight lipped could benefit from that i agree i agree a hundred percent because they have the answers they have pieces that could be move so it to benefit fit the clippers more so than serrato in the lakers they hurt the lakers the longer you wait yeah of it i don't think you'd benefit toronto eat the longer you wait but is in the clippers faithful yeah for sure just send back like okay like it's a right right right so they met on a boat that could they met on the ocean you said you were like oh no you know i think i'd be idea of jerry west on the catamaran offered i think it looks really nice guy had the photographer preferred i can't have people outside the toronto i wouldn't be surprised if they probably middle like a a hunting for almost you know romaine international waters i i know pat riley's pulled that off he's done before my eyes and how emojis now but anyway it's magic they don't like alonzo mourning i think well yeah like in the press yeah so give me you're dislike you always hear right like in the room doc is one of the greatest whether it's a team setting you know once you're in the season or in these free agent meetings that doc is a guy who can sell anyone give me that doc story take us behind the curtain on something like that so listen we just one we lose in two thousand styles and so one oh eight oh nine it was two thousand ten two thousand two thousand knows the two thousand ten season right now is he only play the lakers you know yes two thousand nine to nine ten year you play the lakers in the in the final year nineteen right right so we play i'm on christmas day now we had just one nineteen games in a row we ended up losing to the lakers right so dot com man we like that like i will we're going to go the states more let's start a new run but first i want everybody he he kicked kicked the ball boys out no media was allow everybody in the room from the pr staff to everybody was like i want everybody to give me a hundred dollars right now so we would see like everybody gives me a hundred dollars right now so air by pinata honey you know those guys who didn't have will spot behind it so he ended up taking a hundred dollars so i think it was like almost close like four thousand cash right and he's like you see this put there's an envelope now we go keep it tight because the only people that know about this is the people in this room so like how the ceiling needles and he'll you know you could push up yeah and it's last minute right so he was like i'm gonna take this envelope of money i'm put it up and deal with all closed at bat in the only how would you come back and get this money 'cause that was a laptop playing the lakers in 'cause you know young player in one time of year right was he's like the only time that you could get back to get this money is if we see these methods in the five dollar we give back to the finals we go back in april the soldiers we got off the bus before we even went out to the media we went straight to their went up to the ceiling reached up now might say we played them at christmas of so many teams had there been throughout their locker room so many people right that locker room we're going now in monday still we grab the money that it was just like that's like wow like how did you think of it yeah and we got back to the finals in the money was done nobody knew it was a thousand k that's funny somebody would hit a lick yeah but he he amazing in those shut auto show is gonna end in brian scallop greenie made it rain a mom what do you make of be i guess people are like wow i wonder if lebron is gonna be in the meat like i think lebron needed to be in a meeting with collide like lebron has already reached out to collide a my understand like dave mcmenamin wasn't here yesterday saying that you know lebron an ankle why basically had a conversation and that the notion and i'm paraphrasing here that 'em that there is a notion out there that maybe colliding wanna play with lebron for x x reasons and that he believes that those reasons have been dissolved the bron whatever issues he may have thought he may have at they taught that out and there wouldn't be any issues 'em do you buy that and secondly do you think brian needs to be in a meeting with them after that after having a real conversation with him where there was on the phone or in person or wherever i think bronte me will cut was right but i'm not enough formal meeting is what i'm saying oh you think he was in the formal meeting absolutely okay if the lakers won the gig why does the best chance you bring lebron rondo menu brain braun in the list in one day goodbye there is i don't think anyone's reporting you're not because they kept under wraps of bliss rondo is that the meeting i he wasn't properly at their meeting but he met will cooperate okay that's all you gotta do if you abroad sanmen is locked him in a ronco why guarantee you he he got why convinced come to the lakers listen they do mouthpieces series and the braun is the mastermind he's a genius oh i know that yes yeah i think i think i think they had they probably wouldn't in that particular meeting but they admit the day meter a boat where where they shouldn't do right now is anthony davis part of that recruited now he's part of the lakers reached out i mean to me oh you needles braun do the tug but see that's the thing though part i'm looking at this and people don't realize how hard this decision is for hawaii is extremely hard because here he is at a time of his career while saying earlier if co why decided tomorrow i'm not playing basketball more his legacy is already submitted a he's a two time champions finals mvp then one in canada one in san antonio he's saying this is so like i keep saying this he's looking at three four years down the road decision about next year for cohen he's looking at what's gonna give me the best opportunity for me to be a better person a better basketball player i have a better life over the next three four five years magically make the most money as well and would view looking in that way then you're looking at the lakers because think about this three four years down the line you may be thinking braun may be considering see it in real time hey guess what is eighteen go wow you got a superstar yeah 'em looking like yeah that's how many i got to put it that way i'm just saying like that may i never thought about it that way but since you did then it looked like you know you have the choose the lakers but it was just me like being in canada during the finals those hours like no way cooperatively is like yeah i would do and i've been to a lot of moms may i never i was never them where he's like confetti on all oh yeah i'm eric su i i wasn't in the crowd was crazy yeah yeah i never cnn like man i'm serious like it was it was ridiculous while but the latest she want wild and ridiculous right i mean you wanna chill and play valet which he's always wanted to do you your ceiling l a's right well that sign up for the lakers now it'd be the villain of nbs hey you're in the center of the eib store i don't think he cares about that though but i just like you have a chance like just in toronto in canada though like you have a chance to be the man of a whole country yeah you like that series yeah that's right yeah for sure and kendrick perkins is you're with us the big fella show when like the notion that were out there about why not wanting to play with lebron why do you think that is do you think some of that was what katie said maybe earlier in the season about just kind of the pomp and circumstance that surrounds the brand like the media and everything that just i don't i don't think they'll ever came out of the mouth i just think people just put that i do okay you know could go out on top right and i don't see him saying that you know you worked out with bronze ladders on right so i don't see him saying that that's i think people just put that i do i don't think go i wouldn't mind going obviously we from last year we we know that cohen was mentally tough because he dealt with a lot of you know a lot of heat for what he did to the spurs in that he don't care what people then i have one more lebron question for you let's do that any of the shows we gotta take one more break i gotta run since i wanna i wanna take a quick break and then we can do that and then i wanna kind of get you're overarching thoughts and just kind of the the way the west and the east gonna lay out a based on work lycos we have a little fun with that play a little game kendrick perkins were one more segment kirk morrison here ben lines here saddana show you it's been a lay back and foreman's saddana show you audio spanaway big per kendrick perkins in studio with us mbh champion and of course mb yvette analyst insider now got it all on the resident make kirk morrison ben lyons with this year show wanna go through a number of different things we we've got a couple of minutes you're you gotta run through but we were they gotta run the most perk reason ever well you have to leave for the most kendrick perkins all or most kendrick perkins recent show were quick on lebron and co why because a lot of people were making the congress having a conversation about like okay we're at it right now felt worse who ranks onetwothree like how does brian com those fears of those waters if that even is a conversation well you know braun is masterminded 'em he will come out publicly and say i don't mind taking a back seat like braun one thing about braun he don't mind addressing the media and he put in his pride aside so i think it will be a no brian is no problem like we braun like you ever hear him talk about the president's political stuff you'd be sitting up here like man this dude is just the chosen one in everything seriously though man like you ever hear him speak like it's just like man like will you come up with this stuff on my life perspective on it away all the world there's a level out some other dot com i said man you just know you're just the chosen one can stand out but yeah so you just south of look i'll take the backseat i'll play magic johnson you you know you do you're thing you do and right here because brunner's in after over twenty seventy more you nineteen eighteen gets you ten assists and ten rebounds would be a triple double threat every night and just think about it i mean would you need reach thirty thousand points they already got their own they need to give his ten thousand assistant ten thousand revolving credit he's always wanted to include everyone whether lord of his heart is whether it's a funny handshakes or something serious and politically entire miami heat team to take that photo with trayvon like he's always been inclusive experience as a player as man he's always one like i wish more guys would be like him he always speaks up like braun always speak so like if something's going on in america he comes out and he speaks up yeah he protects you know i mean so he just all around great guy but i also had someone do that friend like way did that for him and they were like you know wade was still at the peak when they both when he arrived and he was like nods you're if russia sixty it's you're team he's been in that scenario before june on the receiving absolutely death circle of life it is like that there is certainly like was like okay that's it you're good yeah i got my take on it i'm wow good nice 'em you're losing her movie review i mean i i got on were doing a part of the interviews you lose the caspian los angeles so i of all these teams the three teams toronto the clippers the lakers which team has the most to lose if co why doesn't choose them 'em the clippers the clippers has the most to lose in my opinion because they have been waiting on this recruitment all year long so they do have the most lose and they're fringe playoff deal right now absolutely the lakers they'll be fine solano there'll be fine but the clippers have the most talent kirk why you don't think it's delivered though well i don't think it's the clippers because basically they still got assets they could still go make trades at the trade deadline and then next year there's gonna be another free agent pool a class of guys who i think can really understanding get here to the clippers and buy into what they're doing i think doc is giving me the underdog role and that's what the kind of those kind of players coming in i look at the lakers and if it was just adian bron i'd have been good with that inning going out and filling out the roster but when they created the extra max slots and they've pushed in they've waited in weight and they've lost a lot of guys who i think can give them the depth of this team's gonna need part what i'm seeing now is that the lakers are gonna have to still play big minutes with a lot of guys who may not be ready to play big minutes it'll be a big make some big older veterans younger veterans in collide only play sixty games like i i've shown you i'll play in sixty games that's all you don't get it so you better get on the calendar on eighty he needs to only played sixty games bron you only need to sixty games i'm saying if they don't that's why they get they don't get co why they've lost out on a lot of guys who could fill out the roster neck and give brown hungry in a playoff series i'm still taking running out there now now when it gets to april is totally did or i know what i'm saying but that's what i'm talking this thing is a marathon i gotta set you up for april but i can't say this if the season started today the utah jazz is the best team here by what i what i say absolutely like my lord and i had a lot of money learning the moves that will clear went ahead and i like mike conley adding up by by donald trump donald j a moody booty oak if the movie i played pretty well for the knicks last year and then they just added jeff green so they got deeper also you got you bringing back a defensive player of the year go burt right now you're bringing back angles you still got donovan mitchell i feel i plus i don't let him have home court advantage cause this that's a tough place to win yeah yeah well we know we knew you know a number of reasons why the know read the underlying yeah this just came out now my wife all time it's the weirdest environment was i've been i've been in the byu game one utah jazz game brothers up in the stands man he's weird like i've done games there on the sidelines and it's like be the seats are like only like a half step up right like there's there's not much of a barrier in the end it's almost like you in church but like in basketball yeah right it is likely the way he's all laid it's all right all cities lay it is weird oh by the way this just popped up the new york post is reporting that the knicks reportedly cancelled the meeting with collide leonard in fear of missing out another free agent signings that totally appropriate to kick a prize snow okay the worst many years they've been doing dumb stuff all full for the holidays remind loss angeles about julius randle you're julius randle guy he's very underrated he's one of my favorite players easel walk into enhancing guy right and i thought that was a great pick up by the knicks by the way by the way i look goes phys dale but yeah fits my guy too but still no r p to stephen a smith r p to the new york knicks for for for the death of free agency a kindergarten through this year all the things we learned a lot about why in you know in all this stuff but boogie cousins is still out there demarcus cousins is still out there like are you stunned at there are no there's no interest in him at any level like oh you stunned by that i'm stunned i'm not i called i called is like three weeks ago man i'm telling you it is the game changer a people salt 'em gm's top end to be honest man you know the way gm's feel they feel like is the risk worth taking a gamble cousins right you know we've seen what happens when sacramento gave him eighty million dollars high he's capable of actor right so you you know right now you're talking about about kenny can you give him two hundred million dollars like really like all the people were scared the give him the mid level exception right that's crazy this guy was a twenty ten guys like a year go for you to his achilles multiple time all star and now we're looking at a guy that possibly could be on the bare minimum right when everyone was praising his play in the finals look back on those performances they weren't fat i'll dominator amazing there is he gave you a fourteen points in a key finals game and everyone is going crazy no there is no i think i know what i mean but i said this time and time again first of all i think golden state to the bill muggy two grand about letting him just walk out the door and second of all last year kevon looney was the best center on eighteen right and they got him first deal by the way this is a three year fifteen million dollars i was like what i was expecting them in the least give forty fifty yes if you look at his plus minus and when he did this year he was better than brook lopez burglar brook lopez got paid more than him he was better than then it's just so listeners that are outraged and seen in any got cauley stein yeah yeah yeah i mean i like the cauley stein i like the cards on minimum to yeah they got all the big guys that i got they got young real quick i'll tell you what though they do they they do a great job of laying down there flow do you like the russell move i do yeah i do why especially why claes oh yeah you know and they got younger dog that's what bob myers said before free agency started we gotta get younger and we don't do that and they had a planet if they didn't get katie they went right to work you come in you and i are cook it did they got on the phone but that was the account value in that business is pivot and change so quickly right in that business comes out is one thing and then you realize no book changed app and now they're you know they're alber i gotta part i'm a i'm a worse the born and raised in oakland so that's you know how good he for but i've been in wars that old school or just right right right right but what gives me calm confidence was that when katie didn't come back which already said he gave us three years to championships i appreciate the time have fun over in brooklyn or but when i see the front office making moves that they did right away and showing me that look we may be down but we're not out right yes i agree with the and i'm feeling like man i like we may not be championship level or we still right there okay well can i ask you a question since you award is saying give me the donors to a major like clough's beer ellsbury critical of i was very critical of the ownership right right and this is well okay katie this this is my first reason katie leaves okay right in in the same moment the owner put out a statement ensues right nobody else will ways jersey number thirty five to me sound like it's on the guilt somewhere okay mhm i may be wrong all right do you agree with this i don't agree with it because no matter what i still feel that the hamptons five is something they will have a place with thin that warriors organization for no matter what no i'm not listen i'm not disagreeing that he and i'm not disagreeing katie jersey shouldn't be retired timing the timing of it was the cause is never been hurt like from jordan kobe bryant's in the day of the guy leaves your team leave seventy million dollars on the table in sign with another team you released a statement in says it's not i do i found this out the hard way okay aig they say nothing about him into july the six right right okay if july the six go in the ownership don't put out a statement in say the same thing goodbye aig then to me is a hidden agenda signed the deal right because he deserves the same thing yeah hopefully within the opposite of what i mean i i go they go low we go high but you know but that's not the case either because i got another complaint play okay okay so toronto raptors beat golden state golden state right they issue out a full i'll add crews correct congratulating toronto congratulating toronto why didn't didn't they do the same thing for the cleveland cavaliers nowhere but i'd say why and you tell me if i'm right am i wrong the reason why they did it was because of what happened with the cow larry every situation yeah and so they have been did yeah to protect themselves that makes sense hidden agenda again sure right right that's all i'm saying yeah that they know how to spend it yeah they noticed the right let me let me give you that speaking of that 'em stephen i said today that that k d in car then get along what what do you think of that i don't know they inside my nose stephen a smith did say some things though were correct though right about force is when katie love okay see right i heard that part of it all you said that or you're right he also had a diary mania told us that he was coming back so russ nick collison aunt a royal avi headed in that he was coming back he went up to the hamptons ended up decides to go to golden state you didn't call russ he takes rose in stephen smith said it in all facts that's true facts yeah katie says that's bs katie trip stay right like all this fake right not occur situation i don't know 'cause i wasn't in it right but i know fours would that oklahoma city thing katie you true you'll that's all say okay let's had a smooth that out there is kendrick perkins the big man not only is he a champion analyst but we should have been allowed him to a well hey bob thank you for stopping by go enjoy the big and tall store and i will see again that's actually i'm going i'm going to dinner at nine o'clock who were my when my old school celtic partners me cagey oh doghouse after so we go go

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"Surfaced Gerald here as a football pro I've seen some wild fantasy football superstitions but you don't. He look you just need IBM Watson is the I in the ESPN fantasy APP analyzing millions of sources to give you insights on players and trades visit IBM, dot, com slash fantasy football. Don't forget you can vote by mail for more information visit. I am a voter dot com. This rain. Kobe. Bryant. Sorry. Blah. Our her roof. Anthony. Davis. Unable. To question. It was just so cute. We've discovered the dog's name is Kaikai. Purchase. Passed and interrupting. He. Says all he was doing was trying to say that he loves a D.. He wanted to voice his opinion also, he probably had to twist as he can. But it. Can't interrupts. Dogs. The Dogs Donald is past I want war of the dog more dog. We may have a dog joining this show at some point later in the hour, everyone's just going to have to wait and see welcome to the job I'm Rachel Nichols live from the NBA Bubble in Orlando today. I. Am joined now by Canine quite yet instead, I got two great guests, two thousand eight NBA Champ Perkins and our senior writer host of the low post podcast Mr Zach Lowe. Thank you gentlemen coming up. We're GonNa talk about who you got it game seven tonight between the Celtics and raptors. There isn't game seven perks choice might surprise you. So stay tuned for that. We got jump ball coming up later in the show but I. Know team is more built on advanced statistics than the Houston Rockets. This is an organization where everything from who they draft shoot is based on maximizing percentages. Honestly, if there was an available breakdown of which flavor of gatorade promoted disposition to scoring, the rockets would be employing it lime cucumber by the way just saying anyway I personally am a believer in analytics because well, I'm believe that having more information is a good thing, but I also believe that advanced that should never be the only thing used to make decisions because there are limits to how much they can track that. Even the quote hustle stats can't totally account for how hard players capable of working or how resilient. Even when exhausted. All of which is a bit ironic since the micro ball style, the rockets play these days is literally based on hard work to overcome being the smallest guys on the floor. You have to also be the most relentless, the most willing to do the dirty little jobs that take place in between the microseconds between plays the most energetic, and you have to do all that stuff absolutely all the time which sure did not happen for Houston against. The rockets were so lifeless in a game, they definitely have to win but in the first three quarters, Houston does not have a single second chance or fast break point. The rockets got a little more in the fourth but that was only after the Lakers had gone up by double digits and clearly eased off the gas and it should be noted that also decided to go small in this game starting murky floors for jail McGee and yet for parts the night that the ones that actually affected the outcome the Lakers did with the did not they worked their butts off they finished with twenty six rebounds than Houston they outscored the rockets sixty, two, twenty, four, and the paint. AFTERWARD ESPN's Jim McMahon asked James Harden the question that I'm sure a lot of rockets fans have been yelling at their TV's all night. What does seem so flat warriors. K then. Tim asked the same question in my Tony who said it was quote just a lack of spirit Dan. Tony said it just seems like we got down and lost our way a bit now Dantonio also noted that all is not lost for the rockets just because they're now now down three one in this series that just last week we saw Denver battle back from three one to be Utah and certainly no team with James Harden Russell Westbrook and PJ Tucker is ever completely out of it harder to eleven last night but anyone who questions his overall skill level work ethic is simply A fool, it is impossible to make it in the NBA, much less become an MVP without having worked insanely hard. Still there is a difference between work ethic and having that thing that tells opponents will have to kill and bury me to stop me and even then I wouldn't advise leaving my grave unguarded either kyle lowry. As we just saw the other night, he has developed that thing Dame Lillard has always had it and there's not really an advanced stat that can British predicted or tell you how to foster it only know when you don't have it and last night the rockets certainly did not. So perk. After what you saw last night do you think the rockets are done in this series? Ray to most respect to James Harden Russell. Westbrook the both of those guys a future hall of. But they are Daya Bird Tall Alvarez the Houston rockets don't stay and chance on coming back in this series, and here's why it's not their fault. It's the system right before the Great Kobe Bryant that he did the interview and he talked about the rock style of play and he said that this style would not win your NBA. Championship and that was like come on COBC given materials. They got worse than James. But now I, see we use come from there passing a mid range shots why open mid range jumpers ray to it hasn't been a championship team ever in the history. Of Basketball that have that have that have won the championship what I'll take a mid range jumpers. So a lot of this has the blame on the system and one thing about this game one, the Lakers have made adjustments there existed to the rock. It's like you like you say they went small put more in their moving to the fire up the rockets. They have made one thing just on the defensive, End Office van, and goes to show, and this is why the Lakers are gonNA finish this series out I believe tomorrow and and this is why they have been so dominate. Well. What's interesting Rachel about your monologue is I think analytics would not support the one big decision that they made in the last off season, which was trading a whole lot of stuff to exchange Chris. Paul. Russell Westbrook that's not really an analytic supported decision. But as far as this series goes, it's certainly looks done. Oh Houston's defense for three and a half quarters. Last night was awful. They were listless they were. Flat like Tim McMahon said they turned Danny Green looked like, Moses Malone on the offensive glass I in the third quarter just wasn't there for the rockets and when you see a team play like that whether or not even facing elimination is certainly gives off the Bible one, two, three, Cancun neom tomorrow night. But like you said, they have superstars we'll see it's just the vibe of the series is it wraps erupts tomorrow. I never know quite what to believe system wise because I hear what perk is saying there but I also here Mike Dantonio say over and over again we give James Complete freedom he can shoot from wherever he wants Zach. Do you agree with perk that there's a system fly here or what do you think sort of the breakdown is? I do think there is something to it particularly if you look at James Harden's record shooting and scoring and big games, his big game performances not been up to a level you would expect from him and I think part of the reason why is late in close games? Last night wasn't a close game. Every defense knows he's either shooting step back three or he's driving, and so they load up on both. Of those options and the few times when he's actually shot floaters are shot rangers he looks pretty good but he doesn't want that until the very best defenses in the NBA with the very best wing defenders in the NBA. If they know what's coming, they can make really really difficult for you and that even includes someone is GonNa James Harden, and so I do think perkins onto something when he says that. I can still make A. Back Well. We'll regions ache you know play with James in Oklahoma City when he was a sixth man of the year and James has ways that he could score there Dan Tony don't utilize. He's a gray slasher, him and Nick Collison used to run the probably the one of the most unstoppable Juba hand-offs with James used to get the lease ten or twelve points on just backdoor cuts alone and we. Were watching this game with the Lakers adore their trapping him soon as he crawls half court and getting the ball out his hands in his own Dan Tony to put James Position to be successful deaths, one structure desks when the game playing gotta change and you have to move your mouth the ball and maybe have pj took running pinned down for him on the weak side where they can triple because right now their offense is very predictable. Get the ball out of James Horned. Hey, a make sure we get on our hose. Out to the three-point shooters perk per kita do anything off the ball. He just stands there and by the Ceylon Half Corwin, he doesn't have the ball. He just doesn't do anything I think that's one of the problems. Was, egg? No one does everyone just stand around I mean you stand around the three point line they play drive mckeag that's the problem. On that team yeah. No I understand for for sure and the rockets did make a little bit of a run in the fourth game was, of course, essentially sealed by the Lakers though and you had this three pointer from Alex Caruso thirty five seconds remaining that three off Lebron is says so I want to listen to Legrand and Alex talking about that shot after the game it was a lot of fun lesson. So God that we know that we could count on doesn't make many mistakes on floor and displays winning basketball as we are so you know to have them into crunch time I didn't think second. One second. Guess. If I was hitting monette corner when I seen that he had a little bit of space, I've been practicing that shot that corner three from. all year just knowing that he makes the right decision at the end of the game and there was. A pack paint I'm wide open in the corner. It's just about me. You know having the conus to step in and take the shot and I'd be afraid of the Miss. Zach where is your belief level on the Lakers supporting cast right now? A Look Rachel all those million years ago Lakers, media, day you would I sat on a set with Alex. Caruso we said we. People aren't going to have to start realizing this isn't a mean he is interested funny story. He's a good NBA player and he is a good NBA player and I'll say this I trust them more than I did before eighty because one of them are playing better. Defense in the bubble has been a revelation number two going smaller with the five. The floor is open for everybody when the floor is open, all your decisions get easier all your passing lanes day clear and easier to see, and that's big for role players that actually think the rockets maybe did the Lakers a favor by forcing them to make that adjustment before presumably the clippers are. Limited. Because the Lakers have realize maybe we are actually a little better displayed now I think Frank Vogel will give his centers a chance to play against the clippers but now they know this is a really powerful look for even more than we knew before the clippers are like we kind of wish they had just rolled over the rockets and never made this adjustment in the first place. Why feel like Lebron was absolutely on point at Caruso in my opinion is the heart and soul of the Los Angeles Lakers when you watch his Way Did he played Yes when you watch the way that he plays the Game Rachel he makes winning plays every single night he's diving on the floor for loose balls he's making a conscious effort on the defense of Vm I watched him when he was playing against the Portland trail? Blazers. Although he could not stop daimiel Little Caesar McCullough he did a great job of containing them he is not Afraid of failure he's relentless. He's fearless. He takes charges every single night. He's on the ground in Gaza going to help him up wondering if he's okay you like, oh, he took a huge blow. He puts his body on the line. Every single night Lebron loves them Anthony Davis Love Frank Vogel Love The whole Los Angeles Laker team. Love what he brings in to NASA that he brings off the bench. Absolutely now, I am personally going to still go with Lebron James and Anthony Davis the heart and soul the Lakers but I'm with you he's an ex factor and of course Kyle Coups Matuzek I love what you said about his defense. There's no question that Kyle Kuzma is different player in this restart than he was even throughout the regular season and the bottom line is he was injured at the start of the season and he had to hit the ground running still dealing with the after effects of that injury trying to figure out on the fly how to fit in. With Lebron an ad he told me he did a bunch of different kinds of workouts over the shutdown really just solely focusing on his leg strength and you can see that both in his way he's running the things that he's doing the way he's able to dig in there and defend I think it's making a huge difference when you look at the supporting cast, what these guys have been able to do and how they've upped their game. Now, we'll have to see data green on your screen. We'll have to see if his shooting can improve in the next round as well. Real quick. I was saying Alex Carusi was the heart and soul not Kuzma right now. Okay I'M Heartened and soul park. You're not gonNA move me off at. Coming up guys stick with us, we're GONNA talk about Oklahoma City going in their different direction. They've already said they're making a change at head coach. Now let's talk about the chances of Chris Paul being traded this off season where would he fit best stick around you're watching the jump The job is brought to you by. Corona premier, lower carbs lower calories. One hundred percent corona. Over two point, three million people are in jail in prison today black Americans, make up forty percent of those incarcerated despite making up only thirteen percent of us. Residents. This is not an accident. It's a consequence of decades of bad policy decisions. As we address stick racism, we must address the crisis of mass incarceration Joe, Biden promised in Aclu volunteer that if elected, he'd reduce incarceration levels by fifty percent we need him to follow through on that. Promise a commitment now to release anyone who has served half of drugs. With sent a signal that he is serious, the ACLU believes are criminal. Legal System is broken racist and unjust. 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Can you please explain to us what happened here? Backing to explain to you what happened there. That in March or April he'd be like Oh they're taking the but this I, can't no explanation for. Four Dan Tony. For next year. Make instincts. All right. Let's move on. Russ misses the shot. And Lebron collects the rebound and in one motion guys watch this fires down to eighty for the and one Zach when you look at how quickly the guys have clicked after during the season games they didn't quit look the smooth. Do you feel like they're kind of running at full percentages here? Yeah, they're clicking better because these play more center but like Lebron as were perfect from the moment, the Lakers pairs up Lebron and a big I used to the rim. Catchall. Catch those West unseld fast as this is perfect. To Gun Lebron in a d work on a football since before pre-game we. Warm. Up Line. So. Surprised me but that was they always make their pass Helluva pass by Lebron and he'll bookcase to finished by ad, but we always know. Football's pack. Rats. Here's three shooting around with Steph. So who is the NBA player? Who would you say he's mostly? Joy He seemed like his jump is form look good but here's the thing. Right to every rapid one the bill basketball player in every basketball player wants to be raffled. That's just high deals. But if I had to pick a person, the Wade Drake his suit I would say he looked like Ben, Simmons. I get a little I. Like a whiff of late career Darren. Williams that's what I feel like a little stocky a little well-built up jumped lake career. Darren Williams. I think that's a compliment although per guy going to ask you, you have a history with drake the two thousand eighteen eastern conference. Finals. We're all concerned for drake safety in that moment can you please tell us what your relationship with him is? Now are things okay. I Rachel everything is okay. Everything is good. I don't have no problem with Drake I actually. Listened to music I'm pretty sure he watched me al-tv. So we are good. We don't have no bad blood. Sometimes, you know you just gotTa, leave it on the court, and then you can walk away and everything's Fine I want to shift gears and talk about Chris Paul Does Billy Donovan as we know, won't be returning to the thunder lat next season they have decided they're moving even further forward with this rebuild, and that leaves Chris Paul is a likely big trade target for teams now okay. See faces a number of decisions this off season. They're searching for a new head coach they could lose Danilo Gallinari and free agency they decision to make on whether C. P. Three Stephen. Adams. is also on that list of high salaries. So Zach, they would have been okay with trading him last summer but there just wasn't interest in him especially with that big salary. Do you think there is a fit out there for P. Three now that he has shown just how much he has left About how about the Houston Rockets just kidding. That's not happening again up. But what a great. Chris Paul played awesome and some teams are going to be more desperate for Dallas upgrade the most fun answer that is kind of a sneaky fit but I don't think is realistic is New Orleans. How would that be sending them back to where he started but I think the one that will start to get some traction perhaps Milwaukee because of how they exited the playoffs he fits a lot of what they need in terms of great point guard defense late-game shot Chretien a certain kind of steadiness that their offense doesn't really have. So I I would not be surprised if that became a more of a thing. We all knew that that Oklahoma City was going to go through a rebuilding stage at some point and I think of Chris Paul has sold his work to the NBA. I have a few teams in my one will be Miami I think he will fit well down there with Jimmy. Another team will be Utah if I can find a way to swap him out for Mike Conley in the three-team deal, I would do. Another team that might surprise folks is if the Celtics don't make out of this game seven I might consider the bringing their CPI foot Kimball Walker. Wow Perk. ooh. I like the fit of course I know we've been talking about that frankly since last summer I think it's an interesting question unison to Kubo has not accomplished as much as James Harden, but he could eventually be the best player Chris. Paul is ever played with maybe giving him the best chance of winning entitled late in his career. So it's interesting on a lot of fronts we will wait and see coming up guys on this show who do you trust more with the game on the line Jason Tatum or Kyle lowry that is a hard question, and then as part of our game seven preview addition of jump ball that's up next to stick with us. Goodyear. Knows why we all love basketball. 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This game tonight I'm Rachel Nichols I'm still here with Kendrick Perkins Zach Lowe It is now time gentlemen to play a little jump Ball Celtics Raptors Games seven style I up Kyle lowry and Jason Tatum. They both had some great shots and game six Kendrick in game seven tonight comes down to the final shot who do you trust more to take it Kyle lowry or Jason Tatum? Ou. The boss fares go like this Rachel but I'm going with the six time all-star. NBA Champion. Olympic gold medalist the greatest wrapped of all time call Larry. He has been the best player in this series. He has not let let the Toronto Raptors down yet. He's been balling so I gotta go. Look I would happily trust both of them. I. Want to make that clear. They should build a statue of Kyle lowry when I'm with Jason Tatum only because he's taller lasts possession of the game last minute of the game they're going to put the best wing defender that they can find out almost any of these players Jason Tatum begins just get a shot off easier over that guy. So I'm GonNa reluctantly pig Jason Tatum. Well. I. Do WanNa point out that Kyle lowry hit the game winner in the last game that turnaround dagger over Kemba Walker Church this. Your defender a little bit. I would say that when the statue does go up of Kyle lowry and I agreed that they will I'm all in for the idea of having taking charge in the statue instead of shooting I think. Exemplifies, Kyle lowry and I do want to say is a great example of how whatever you were tag with whatever your skill set is when you first come into the league and this applies to all the big wide world and life does not have to be what follows you permanent like Kyle lowry the idea that perky would sit here on national television and say I want him to take the last shot in a game. Seven playoff game five years ago people would have laughed you off of the screen and Carla has proven that things are different now and I just think that noticing is so important. Right? Let's move onto the next one Kendrick game seven tonight goes down We're talking about the final shot but I want to talk about the coaches Rad. Stevens. Nick, nurse, a couple of the best minds and coaches in the. League. So Zach. Giving, the coaching edge two. Of these two men well look, do you guys or annual coach of the year kinase allies to us? You can't go out with the one all go like this. If Nick nurses really committed to being like a sixth raptor on the court slash decoy for Boston players to pass to that, you have to give the edge to dig nurses more involved in the game he was almost on the floor. Well look I I feel like this right now is the split the first three games I thought of Brad Stevens I'll coast nick nurse and these last three games I thought nick nurse took it to another level. It said hold on. This is why I'm coach of the year. He boxed in one kill he switched up the lineup win small Oh gee, at the five and win with a small lineup, and by the way he made a phenomenal play that caused Jason Tatum to turn over the ball. So right now given the slightest dig knows. The NBA said that was legal point out since our. Story. came out. The NBA said that was not illegally perched when he was. Basically right on the corner there for Jason, Tatum to catch the corner of his eye. All right. Next up all STAR FORWARD PASCAL DOT COM has struggled most of the series Kemba Walker has had a better series, but he was still two for eleven from the field in game six. So Kendrick who is more likely to rebound after their subpar game six Cambe or spicy p. O. Ray to I've been arguing with everyone especially on your show about high leaks spice appears being has let me down. He's due for big game. The reason that I'm not rolling were kimball is that I believe Nick nursing the raptors are. Going to continue to have their boxer one defense on him. So it's GonNa be hard for him to get his offense. All right now they're playing Pascal one one and this time for him to step up, he really has been missing in action. It's time postseason. Perk nailed it talking about Kemba the big challenge for game seven to me for Brad Stevens is. Can they get Tim Walker going against the box in one or against that small ball lineup with Siaka. Switching everything. So you're pick and roll game is a little bit taken away. I'm still gonNA, go with Kemba only because look Pascal comes getting essentially the same shots every single game, they're really really hard shots I don't see any reason why his like shot diet would change hard shots to make. So although Kemba because I think Boston is gonNA figure out a way to get him back involved even if Toronto goes to the defense's nick nurses been using all year frankly it's it's one of his best parts of his coaching. Yeah. All right. Well, I say it's so much fun. Watching these two guys just coach coach rate because I think talent was maybe you could say eight Z Boston has deeper talent. We saw in that last game six Toronto maybe outworking Boston and just those little tiny moments where they refuse to die and the coaching I think is even even it's what makes this game seven so incredible. So I gotta move on and ask you guys who you got right. We Got Zach moving on who is going to face Miami in the conference finals picked. Seven at the beginning of the series all stick was Celtics and seven. There's really no reason to think that there are any better than the raptors or that they're going to win tonight. The only one would be they have a couple of blowout wins. Every raptors has been a nail biter, but also stick with my original pick celtics seven so celtics. Right. So you know my heart bleeds green. You Know Boston is my home away from home, but I gotta go with old can the gotTa go with Toronto I think that game the game winning gained three changed the entire series and when you look back at game six, Norman Powell. Had the game of the series himself. He was M I a before, and now he got confidence and I'm looking at this rapid scene right now. Coming down come back from two to time. The series of now is three three. They have nothing to lose all the pressure's really to me on the Boston Celtics. So when you have a raptor team, got this much championship experience with nothing to lose that are gonNA come out there and compete and play and play carefree will not carefree without presser because they've been in this situation before I gotta get a slightest to the refugees. Coming. Give you credit when we talked about this possible second round match up before the playoffs even started you went raptors even though it was hard for you. Before the series started you went raptors even though it was hard for you. So I admire you not flip flop in and we'll see what actually. All right. Guys stick with US allies naming because coming up we're talking K. D. on Jayjay podcast yesterday talked about how Steve Nash we'll help them develop as a player. He also talked about why you picked Brooklyn over the New York Knicks. We will discuss all of that next stick around. Out in it. Don't. Don't forget you can vote by mail for more information visit. I am a voter dot com. Sunday the final day of the WNBA regular season we will have the two teams with the best record squaring off for what could be top seed in the playoffs. The has taken on the storm three o'clock Eastern, New Pacific on ABC and the ESPN APP. That's the W does not divide by conferences in the playoffs. This could be awesome. All right guys. Across America that traditional pastime of fishing going viral you got all kinds of people don't warmly fish seeking that cove in nineteen stress relief including NBA players inside the bubble and me I went fishing in the bubble learn more about how to get started fishing and boating. I know perk is a huge fisherman. You can go to take me fishing dot. Org And let's talk a little bit about what's happening outside the bubble. Kevin. Durant. Appearing on Jayjay podcast and he spoke about his new coach Steve Nash Jj ask Katie what makes Nash potentially a great coach despite never serving as a head coach in the NBA before and here's Kate easy answer. This is I for the game has communication. High Communicates the game of Basketball No. It's definitely going to help me as a player development as will help the rest of our team and our relationship you know started from him plan me admired him as a player and an implant again, competing against them and finally getting the chance to work with the. Probably won't say seven eight years ago. Understood what his my house my works for the game in. Every Minute Jim would him always was like a sponge I'm looking forward to this man. All right. So I do. So. Well, you've seen him up close played with him. What tools do you think Steve Nash could add to Kevin Durant bag there. Were well, he's going to. You can add dead much more. I think he's going to be grateful Katie. They got a great relationship people have to realize that Steve. Nass was a four time fifty, four, hundred, Ninety Club. While he was playing Katie started working out with Steve Nash, all season, and he became part of their club Steve Nash Taught Katie all season how to be a more efficient score y that's why Katie is one of the most efficient scores that the NBA has ever seen, and also he taught Katie how to be affected without the ball in his hands, how to how to pick your spots and Goto goto moves were to do in this area of a certain defenders Gordon them. So Steve Nash is a true student of the game. He's a true teacher to gain and I think it's a great fit for Kevin Durant into the Brooklyn. Nets. Yeah I mean look you can't. You can't put a price on the relationship that Steve and Kevin already have I mean they've spent tons of time working on basketball. They've had conversations about life about fulfillment about what makes everybody tick what makes them tick? You can't you can't underestimate how important that is that the coach walking in the door with that level of trust from Kevin Durant and. Other. Great players have talked about this before great players they see things that even average players don't see. They read the game at a level that even average MBA players are among the best athletes in the world that data I'll read it, and so to have a coach who is on that level with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving I think it's a big deal and Steve will have. The emotional. To sort of get that culture set so I, think it's going to be an interesting fit. Now I think it's a great fit for them I also WANNA, Share Katie's explanation for picking the nets over the Knicks there's Mr Jj on that same pod quote Oakland was everything I'm about Kevin said chill on the low all black we quiet just focus on basketball. He said there's no show when you come to our games, there's no Madison Square Mecca all of that shoes stuff that's what he said. Sure that's what he said. Zach. Well Look I. Mean Part of Kevin Durant goal should be to bring some of that show Brooklyn I. Mean all you gotTa do is get on the subway or drive over a bridge and you can get the same show if the nets are really good up the next sixty win team some of that show is migrating to the Barclays Center. Some of the celebrities will be there the Buzzer, will be there when I think what I really take from. It in part is it's New York City, but without the baggage without the baggage of James Dolan and having to answer questions about that without the baggage of somebody saved this team, this one story team that's been in the gutter for the most part for twenty years without all of that baggage. Yes. But this show some of the show not all the show MSG is MSG. But when the netscape good with our players, some of that show was migrated Brooklyn. Oh this be is raised Rachel and say listen. Katie, you talking about you seal laid back under the radar at the same Katie that speaks out in comments on all the media people want somebody talk about you but at the end of the day, I thought De. The Katie going to New York would have been great for the game of basketball going to the. Knicks. I. Thought it would have been great not only for the organization because they've been down in the dumpster for so long but it would have been great for the basketball world in general and when you look at Kevin Durant arguably when he's healthy, he's arguably one of. The greatest if not, the greatest player on the planet. So I taught him going to the Knicks would have just been. You know bought their life back to Madison Square, Garden bought that that energy banked if feel back to New, York because even with him being Brooklyn is still don't have that feel that feel like you know when you go to the Madison Square going. It's just two completely different challenges right with two different kinds of payoffs and rewards, not necessarily one better than the other. But when you talk the Knicks of course, you have all of that history it's been so long since that level of history was in that building, you have a national fan base that is just enormous and that if you could be the guy and now it. will be someone else. It won't be K. D. But who ever it is, is the guy who brings a title back to Madison Square Garden. You will be a hero on the level that it will hard to be in any other franchise on the other hand in. Brooklyn you have that chance to make that whole legacy to start it from scratch obviously, the nets have their history. In New Jersey. But in Brooklyn you can be the guy that sets that foundation puts the bar championship level in a way. It's never been before and I just think that Katie was more attracted to that and certainly more attracted to the place that is Frank Kyrie Irving was going, which was a huge part of this too. They've openly discussed that and they're going to try to. Make it work there now with Steve Nash. So interesting to hear Kevin's thoughts on all of it. All right I because I'm sitting here in quarantine, guys in the bubble have lost all sense of space and time. So we got yet another segment on this show today, and as you're waiting in the commercial break with the joke recommends Zach has column up nine things nine not ten it's. He does and doesn't like he writes the column key gets to decide he includes Kyle, lowry driving the ball unquote when that clippers get it poppin. So after the break, we'll discuss the clippers and Zach will tell us his personal definition A. We can Geez. Don't forget. You can vote by mail for more information visit I am a voter dot, com. The jump is brought to you by Pepsi's Zero Sugar All the Cola flavor. This sugar. And Corona premier lower carbs lower calories. One hundred percent corona. It's crunch time here on the jump. All right. The Clippers Lou will is hurt enough to people about that infamous magic city trip to get some wings you know that one outside the bubble, the cost costume, two games all he was doing was getting wing. So now he's going to profit off of it. Lou, well posted on my g he has filed a trademark for Lemon Pepper, Liu? So Zach, why isn't lemon pepper loose scoring as much as we used to lately and well this new nickname help. Well, I think the answer to your question is contained in the name lemon pepper I dull quarantining or mandatory quarantine because then visit. Slowed his reintroduction into the clippers will. Lose going to be Lou Williams scoring is sleep with his is he's going to be fun. I mean Lou you in the middle of fighting foot championship bright. Now, what are we talking about in Utah My trademark wings? In. Glad I don't like limit peppy anyway. Rates give me honey barbecue I'm cool. I don't want them anyway. Wow. Heartache that's the hottest take on the show today. One game away from their first ever trip to the conference final. Senate. Again, I ever as a franchise trip to the conference finals, they're eight and a half point favorites to close out the nuggets. Tonight Zach do you expect them to take care of business in this game? I do the nuggets are not going to roll over the nuggets resilient tough team. They proved that claim back for three one against until I think the differences Denver deep down belief were we're least as good as Utah not better I'm not sure they can believe that about the clippers so do expect the clippers to come out close tonight one step closer to the battle for Los. Angeles. To this is when I love one Zach Lowe own when I disagree with him all the time because I think the nuggets are going to win the night I think Moammer is do I think Jamal Murray is due for a big game? I? Think the joke is going to have a big gain the night and I'm interested to see what Michael Porter Jr. is going to do after doing something that he shouldn't have done. Call Them. Now Mike Malone and jumping jumping the gun and saying that he basically need more touches. So I think that the Mike Malone is going to go ahead of them guys fired up look they was down three one came back on Utah won the series. I'm not saying that they're going to win this series actually got the clippers is six but I do think the devil nugget will pull this one off tonight. Interesting. All right. Well, we'll watch safe that prediction is correct. I got just this in at the Buzzer. We gotTA check you. We got to check your. Of famer Tracy McGrady is watching this show and here's what he texted both me and producer Steve after watching it that rapper. Celtics segment, he said Pascal Missing in action the whole postseason the. He's a top ten player on the show that you've got a couple of weeks ago. He says, don't let him get away with that L. also what? I don't have time to say to my good buddy my brother he was right hours completely wrong. I was fighting for Pascal Pascha you let the Dow. Man I was fighting for you. You forgot you got it out the mud Z. lead to improve to NBA All star started now I gotta hear t making Rachel. Me About it. Man. What is that? What if he's goes out gallon his top ten what if he goes what if he goes out and puts forty tonight is perkins texts team accident I told you. So who knows what's going to happen? It's game seven maybe put some forty minutes and buzzer beater. I know that makes them a top ten player. Yet I mean you gotTa do it a little bit more throughout the playoffs as the sole die on his own team. You know obviously got so many good pieces there but trying to step into quiet Leonard Shoes, it's going to be interesting to see. He can continue to try to blossom into that tonight and if he does maybe through the next row, we will see we not Mac watching the we love all of you watch at a time for the week we'll see on Monday.

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Kyle O'Quinn on Joining 76ers, His NBA Career, How Teams Mesh, Hooping With Floyd Mayweather and More (Ep. 150)

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Kyle O'Quinn on Joining 76ers, His NBA Career, How Teams Mesh, Hooping With Floyd Mayweather and More (Ep. 150)

"The first movie experience real movie experience I think was when I got taken to see two thousand one space odyssey by my father and my parents because hi I'm sue perkins and my new podcast sue perkins an hour or so with is available now you can hear me talking with the likes of poor fig John College kids who had no idea what they were getting themselves into that night you're you know smacking shots off the backboard dunking on people you guys I love that you guys yeah I'm hanging out with some you know fresh pros you know we all going to own careers in our rights rifles you just watches in college you know all of us the section how we met I believe I think this is the first time it was that impact basketball in Las Vegas and we have a mutual friend named EJ and it was back when I was with US indepth analysis and much more bichara check for a new episode every Monday and Thursday wherever you listen to podcasts welcome to the hoop site podcast regards with them and you Ashton Gibbs Mellick Wayne's an exhibitor Gibson perceived pickup basketball against these and I want to say like it was like a Maserati pulls up and then two huge black SUV's pull up next to it and floyd gets it has it's big it didn't go easy on them at all you just completely dominated these poor college kids it was it was amazing to watch in Florida's pretty good he he played pretty well you know he has pretty good handles we're kind of confused Yoyo there's a back room that's reserved we get to the back room and wasn't it floyd mayweather like sister's birthday go and grab dinner with you guys you know we got a little bit throughout the week out there during the predrag process so we get out to the restaurant and the entire restaurants rented out beans coming pods and Adam Buxton and you can find the Picasso Apple podcast specify or if he podcasts from what's up guys before we get started I want to announce that the appreciate you coming on so before we get started talking about the season I tell one of the best stories than ever I this is my best store I have all my friends that's how it it's amazing so Steve Cuyler and Stephen we were gonNA grab dinner and you guys invited us to a restaurant in Las Vegas after you guys finished your workout and we thought we were he's way smaller in person than I ever thought but he was pretty good pretty good player how do you remember that night because after that after the game we went back to our hotel we were exhausted you guys went back to his why does somebody a semi yeah it was just a it was like his sister aude birthday so we go in the back I'm confused I'm easily the poorest person in the room awesome hung out all night right yeah we we actually hung out that night came up and it was just I think we're all you know I think floyd was Kinda like site podcasts will not be posting twice a week we're going to be posted to episodes every Monday and Thursday throughout the season each week we'll bring you episodes that feature player and executive interviews asked my name is Alex Kennedy and joining me today is a nine year NBA veteran who joined the Philadelphia. Seventy six hundred this summer my guest is Kyle Quinn Kyle what's up man may show up and I was like Oh wow this is crazy by now it's like you know probably midnight one am something like that so we go to twenty four redness at that point it really didn't matter you know we were kind of happy to be playing pick up with champ and then from there we went to his house and took a tour and hung out had a pretty much good runoffs from the year and he recognized the faces he put the names you know just embracement new friends I guess in we know we're hanging out with champs you know we all excited we all excited and you know he stepped in court you know and appreciate what we had to bring to the game you know despite who we were playing again as you know obviously do his success but people around him fringes family is odds as brothers all that bodyguards and you just look at it like man add some snacks extended dirt and next thing you know it was like seven am eight am and he's like Oh yeah I want breakfast and we'd like okay sure actively do you know at the end of the day I mean he wasn't just happy to play with random college players you embrace us you know young pros and I think that ellison ended there maybe go and whatnot but for the most part that was the kick start a relationship and the friendship that you know last you know pretty much heavy nose just respect on both in yeah we college going through pre-draft one of the greatest things that happened to you to that point Oh yeah for sure did you open my eyes them anything happen I mean it just you know being able to speak to other people's being able to you know carry myself in a certain way 'cause I don't think that none of us would have got that wasn't you know hey what's up how you been how are you feeling I'm good man I'm I'm good no complaints somebody in happened to be on the line with you once again you know it's always good to talk to my guys you know what I mean and everybody has respect everybody else in other areas so I think that's what kind of kick starting stopping there is to be in a pros broken you always wanted to be procession I think it helped me on my career everybody pretty close pretty cool and I knew his girlfriend from different dinners we used to go out to eat around Orlando so it was new oh coming from where I come from you know we weren't poor but you know I have I have a much shorter list the people I need to take care of new you know take my mom out to a nice dinner I wish I could beat him up actually took that picture out of his locker oh where do their mind I mean I didn't print a pitch out that's like some rain yeah that's it was wild hangover with no alcohol were you as shocked by that night is I was like I never seen anything like that I mean you were in an NBA player yet you were just some creepy stuff yeah I hear you yeah locking I put it in my locker I just wanted to see how long it took them you know figure it wasn't in his locking half the point money-wise accessorize armor you came away super inspired that was like one of the big takeaways that I remembered that stood out to me near you you you just you just see how much he does so much fun we'll that Alica words you guys start saying yeah I think we're good place a pick up at twenty four hour fitness floyd don't get concerned mask you yeah it'd be like we are you seeing her that was hilarious or how it took like a few a week or two all in our careers would vote for sure I remember the next day you're like man that was so inspiring I'm GonNa work really hard 'cause I wanna get to you know even if I'm line it didn't seem real at the time I was actually happening but that was like a fun Karla Quinn story I like to tell and then the other one you were one of the best players working on his jump shot working on his tray ball so it's just you know over time Jj radical always said it you get better and better every day that makes a better week that makes about a month Jim the next day and we were like man that was crazy last night and you guys were all exhausted and you're like yeah we just got here like thirty minutes ago we just let the we're do you'll talk every time you anytime you come into a game court side you know they would sub to them in the summertime I'll swing by camping have have a couple of chats with them and then you know you're going to have a decade-long career there's so many guys get drafted in the forties and fifties that don't even play an NBA game or just have a cup of coffee with the team but we're one of the best when it came to pranking guys I was in Orlando with you and you always had great pranks on your teammates I remember one in particular that stood out and I think it's hilarious it's amazing just goes to show you know you never I'm not discrediting anything but he worked steady you know what I mean I'm sure he ramp it up many times and off season when did you have your growth spur and what made you change your mind and start playing his junior Grossberg happened sophomore year coming into my senior year yeah for sure it's been incredible to watch so I wanNA talk about your career you have a super impressive career as well you know being being a second round draft pick ultimate which makes a better year and you add those together and then everything else will fall in line and This is just a real you know true tests testament you know if you kind of the Holy Cross you know just those those guys like really like really really good and I just knew I wasn't as good as those guys at the time and I was just like you know the ash maybe should have played a little bit more but they had a senior that started four years so I sat behind him learn from him and then the next year you know that senior year came around and it was put the ball in my hands you're GonNa play you know what I mean you just you can't be six six walking around as a high school junior and just you know be hanging around you do what you gotTa do by injury you know you know you can't stop that as part of the game but he just stayed on his cost and you know the benefits reach the benefits and I mean he's really in a good place like the day never really stopped and said you just got too tired to hanging and everybody went there right away and then you know relationships they just built off that you know yes you're so close with them you know I'm sure he gets after it just like anybody else but it was always really never day with Dan come in and do something whether is injury prevention you know working on his jumper right before we continue I want to thank our sponsor the next big idea podcast I've listened to this podcast and it's super interesting they kick around so many great become my junior year it was just it was just one of those things that just happened you know you see it happen all the time now with the with the kids on air you circa one year to the next year Susan Cain these legendary thought leaders will be your personal idea 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or wherever you're listening to team so when I transferred schools and public schools they didn't have they don't recruit you know you just take kids in your area and that was part of that area and they had a good program in my lane but you know I wouldn't do that with anybody random you're not just quitting up he was girlfriend that's his wife now so you know you know you don't play around with people's family like that but I knew jokes Tom Happening my dad happy you know trying to one up my sister I went to her rival college so maybe Oh maybe if I sneak in a couple of wins draftable and you know make it up you know so it was just like well you got those kind of tools and my team the team was just so good they were so experienced jailed and fell right in you too and my mom was you know more or less happy that she didn't have to touch college savings which is pro which probably wasn't much but it was you know something set aside to me can change the way you live work and think for example the ten thousand hour rule that Malcolm flag will popularized in his book outliers open your mind in garrity for something big because a fantastic job so when you enter college at Norfolk state did you think an NBA career as possible at that point or if I told you you said when you step out of college and you know quote unquote pro you know you meet other people you meet other pros and they're in that respect for in other fields other sports and then this it's our right now I definitely recommend it you guys should definitely check it out or you can find the link in our episode notes if you need help finding it leave them rating leaving Merv you there they're gonNa Retire Your Jersey and you're going to go the NBA. Would you have thought I was crazy lose your mindset going into college I've been going to college I was just you know more or less trying to make my family affect my right of being a pro and they don't bother me so I love my family for that and then that's how I was when I went to college you know my dad was big on meet me my degree because he had the opportunity six yeah it just happens I don't know what's in the food or what what it just it just happened and everybody started you know how you might WanNa play basketball but it sounds like you're you're super smart guy you're super funny I mean I've always told people you're one of the funniest people in the NBA actually wanted people have even in the NBA. I think you're hilarious. Oh Wow do you think about it I mean who really look at somebody else's lots along gotTa go out with you know obviously that was a joke I wouldn't play on it he's just went from there and then you just you know I had a good year and then you know that's why I probably end up having very small schools because schools are just kind of like wait just come from you're GonNa you know you've been in the NBA ninth year I mean it's so impressive what you've done but I want to go back to when you first picked up a basketball I know you I started playing during her junior year of high school you put a picture of Nick you had a picture of his girlfriend your locker and you want to see how long it took appreciate my family so much they never put pressure on me it just let me be me and whatever happens happens and we were always like this is a joy this whole process together I don't even remember that that's pretty I can't believe being you remember whenever you were Landau tm English and stuff like that and trying to help him expand alternate day you know my career has gone as far as it's gone at this point and I'm super grateful for but I know I have a call in to be you know first of all what was it like being free agent this summer one of the craziest off seasons in NBA history. I mean every day it seemed like another big move is happening and you know you're very personable guy guys people tend to Flock to you I feel you have a lot of friends what kind of things were you interested in doing if it wasn't GonNa be basketball career you know over the next four years I could track some jokes and talk crap there it was just like what it was like a family thing everybody was excited for me which they always are like to hang out with them I love the game but the game is not for me I had to Grossberg if people just started pushing me towards it and then it honestly didn't take until you know somebody pretty Max Guy I've come to conclusion come back including a long time ago but you know just when you when you when other teams have interest in you and you know team the pulling you for reasons outside and then hope you hope and pray you know you lean on the right person that's Kinda got the best the best interest in you you know looking out for you the best so I was lucky enough to have a guidance aww fans and people like me and the media really enjoyed it and just it was a whirlwind but when you're actually one of the players out there trying to find the what was that like for you going through you know something like this thought you know I think that that's something I would enjoy doing and I think I can really help yeah for sure that's cool I like it so I wanna ask you about this summer oh you know you're not a guy maybe counselor or work in schools in some capacity right after don playing Oh yeah yeah in the discipline a guidance counselor counselor 'cause it just answering questions at your parents can't answer because you just feel more comfortable talking to them So I went to school up my my degree was my degrees in education she probably was like you know little gray for that and my sister was just happy to see me you know go through the same thing that she just went through and then you know basketball was just kind of like an after thought it was just is well I always I always gravitated toward the educational system because he just is this something out like I love you know always had a close relationship with my guidance you know Kinda over recruit you know what I mean so the sixers situation happened pretty fast you know what I mean it it was kinda comfortable because it's like wow you can be sitting in a pool of you yeah there's so much Perry I think whenever there's big moves like that fans WanNa stick around and see okay how will these new stars are these new superstar duos look become a regular season then obviously playoff time so I I agree with you I think the league's integrate spot it's interesting you mentioned being in the Free Agent Pool in August timber I you know there's a a backup center I'm not GonNa say his name but he had told his agent I want to sign on IRC agreed to a deal on July first or second because they really should you could contribute you know kinda get called a little quicker than you know because it's a money issue so we gotta move the money here we gotta do this all we've got this guy we don't want to yes we do you know if you do what you have to do and I always thank them for that day you know just thinking opening my eyes you know to see if you know how hard work really pays off and they'd always helped me yeah that was x situation you know would be good enough to happen quick and I can start working towards my ultimate goal which is to be you know be best back a big in the NBA and I don't WanNa wait and he really didn't have to sit around for months and then he was a free agent into September and he was really frustrated situation I've had many talk with veterans you know I've been blessed to have a lot of veterans that I could call up at any time they really just you know could you know talk talk some sentences I always knew I wanted to be in the school system bell kid you know like myself you know good things will really happening for me but my parents didn't have the answers and then you kind of lean on people that the crazy moves I would say was entertaining to me entertaining to me just as much as it was you got really was affected by any of it right I really didn't bother my person and but obviously she did sign he is GonNa play but I mean yeah I can't imagine them in your work extremely hard and like you said it's hard to get up for workouts and stay in NBA okay berry and different things like that now I mean to see where he's at today all-star I mean what are you guys still close and what do you make his developmental I mean is it all gets I mean you know hard they'll probably in July when you don't have a job I don't know and it's kind of I didn't want that was like my biggest thing I read every night that whenever it's been crazy is happening you know lucky man I'm I'm super lucky when it comes to free agency and in situations you know obviously I'm not like an opportunity just to get where I needed to go well my parents house it stuff like that so basketball yeah if basketball didn't work out what would you have done because I mean council that kind of you know stepped in and play a big part of my development so I was like man you know I wish I could be him you know what I mean you walked around school doesn't sit in a classroom all day Liam they're learning the Lingo getting used to the coaching staff and their teammates. This is your your fourth team what's that process like how long does it take to get acclimated is it is brewing up a really really good season for everybody you know players coaches everybody's has an opportunity to go out it looks like it's up for grabs and I think it'd be a really exciting allison you know just a shot one out you know so many times last year in Indiana you know you sit there you like oh come on like you know I mean to tell me I can't crack this rotation ever since that day I'm like man I think my mom too nice then in the back room and it's just us I mean he's GonNa blow my mom socks off so yeah you definitely open your eyes to you know things that you could feel like I can do that and I tell by Philadelphia wanted that gave me that opportunity and I I just kind of ran with it and we spoke on it and then sort of crazy the you know what I mean it was tough last year and you talked to Darren Collison and he goes you know what this is just helping you out for next year you're going to appreciate your next I talked to Brian Scott Green and a few other players I know some players say that you have to have relationships off the court to really meshes a team and you've been a partisan anyway more and I just see it you know going into training camp this year just felt so good just to you know be somewhere where you know that doesn't involve you know what I mean there's no no you know playing his game is really an opportunity you know is a blessing you know sometimes we think that is owed to us but it's not and I think that you know that to speak in there and it's not as hard as you think but it can be yeah it helps when you're not shy at all like you I mean you have no problem talking to anyone everyone I love it on the situation but you just see how fast could go in the NBA is doing such a great job you know with what the move is they made there's some I think there's some the season is so long you have to deal with more than a person than what they actually doing on explore bring what I bring to a team everybody knows that and I think my play I mean come on now you know we enter the same thing we can talk about the same thing I respect everybody's space I demand respect and that that's all it is so it's not it's not did and he considered retirement he's a young guy but he was just so I think he was emotional but he was like just so over basketball at that point that he was talking to his agent by night and playing this season. Sure I think that's the right mentality a take because that can help you going forward I totally agree with you right now you're kind of going through the adjustment period whenever you know a guy joined a new team you know that just earns the respect from my peers but at the initial part it doesn't take me I don't think it takes me too long to get acclimated with another group of guys twelve fifteen guys shape every day would you don't even know if the opportunity is coming Asi so hard yeah as why I think that's helped me so much of my career you know just being grateful for every he's does what he wants and I have a student you know what I mean like game the guy didn't count your does what you want close all around at school so I always wanted to be in the school system and teams that you know like Orlando for example those majesty guys were really close you know you Mohawk West l. p. and you are all a close knit group but then because I just think that you know I think you you're judged by your germs you judge the person I you guys how they interact with other people and then you judge their play because he's it was that was back when movies like movie like that was such an event Mary Berry I don't even know what a podcast is to me and really well I could get acclimated in a room the first day so I never worried about Albert I never worried about being in school you know what I mean guessing assist somebody else you know like like I was assistant so with that being said I would that's why I went back to get my right so we've talked about that you want to eventually no no blame game nothing towards Indiana but just you know just situations like that make you more grateful for your next situation that they get a good it was good for me off-court relationships help team get acclimated or visit not matter it's a fine line you know I I totally respect Calabrian or some people that say like scalise was saying you know it doesn't really matter if you're close team I don't Care Everson coon by a campfire as long as you make it work on the court that's all that matters do you think Nashville hot brisket on the firehouse subs APP today firehouse subs enjoy more subs saved more lives participating locations limited time only a big big big network of guys you know who got what guys wanted to have two Senate there's just I mean that's just that's just like look at a guy like James Jones you know what I mean industry's a Lotta Times about who you know what relationships you have you know you could be best friends with the dude that he goes on to become a GM like there's a lot of things where I think being the personable you can't say nothing about a guy like James Jones Nick Collison and those guys that I look at the model my career after always contribute on every team that you've been on guys can't say nothing bad you know what to bring to a locker room guys kind of they want you on their team whereas if you're a guy that has no friends I mean those the NBA just like many other the way you want to speak I mean Mohawk was curse me out right and I'll be like okay you you wanNA shoot the Disney real quick leader Locker Room Guy also helps you know individually outside teams accessible also would you agree with that yeah one hundred percent I mean this is the is accountable and like you said cursor guy out or raise certain issues that may need to be brought up if you're not closed because then you're kinda holding back it's kind of awkward but anymore before the game and let them know you need them you know I mean and that goes deeper than basketball and I think that you know that's truly like one of the most underrated relationships you guys want results yeah that's interesting look at it they're kind of your second family you're around them so all throughout the year and if you guys are getting along you said I think it's harder to hold yeah just can't talk about it that long you know what I mean so with that being said you wanna be able to actually got houses family accidents situation about free agency how did you feel everyday going into free agency title compensation I mean you know how long a flight from Sacramento to phileas Yeah Sacramento New York or anywhere on the east coast that's a long plate I mean how many times are you gonNa talk about sloppy a win wins and losses you know what I mean so I understand celebrate it but I mean when you're in the trenches with somebody I mean there's no other dogs better than somebody that you can text right out of the game you feel like you got what you deserve you know some guy's Gel off those kind of conversations because that's when the truth comes out with somebody that's actually been in that situation could talk to you about it your family don't know they just if you guys are grabbing dinner at afterwards it's a lot easier I think you're right about that that makes it it's probably a thing that may vary from player to player team team but that's a great argument for it I think that veges show that he was just a great guys whole career you know what I mean for step from time in that right into you know front office opportunities and pretty much pick what he wants to go going to get it done so I mean it's a fine line but you also your I mean just for the sake of you this season how long it is you wanna be able to know somebody on a personal level just with a teammate you know you just look at it as co workers but I mean the comfort of Alfred pay and texted me you know after game and saying you know you to pick it up you know you need this you need to do that like wow thanks are you want to go to dinner I mean that's that's kind of like something that's very very underrated it's hard to speak with you respect for who you are and not really what you know who they think you are you all who you are and then yeah I totally agree the guy that wants to hang everyone wants to hang out with and like you for example like I said Guys Fox you I think it helps you in your career too because you know what it takes to kind of I mean Sean marks had Trevor Booker in Washington I think Sean Trevor Burgers vet in Washington and then whenever Sean marks becomes GM Brooklyn can you guys all moved on because then you go to the locker next year and you're like man I knew half the guys in his room pretty well and now it's a bunch of nudes in it was it was frustrating for me too Gotcha I'm sure you're easy to talk I'm sort of guys easy to talk to and just you know but at the end of the day you know when the basketball is over you just want to be able to step into a field where you feel comfortable in guys one of his first free agency signings was Trevor Booker because he knew that he told guys accountable and be a great locker room guy and they had a lot of the same value so yeah no I totally agree with you there I think Ah the other day it is out of your control and how frustrating was that kind of go through I remember the first year whenever that was mainly like one or two summers where all you guys kind of talk about this Philly team you've played against Joel embiid many times I think years ago you were talking before a magic sixers game and he was out there on the other end of the court shooting Oh blindside nothing year seven right I mean that makes it happening and helped us out they helped us out because you know we all knew how to handle the next situation it does help and because you want to hang out with these guys I mean or hotel by themselves in Utah Right exactly and I think also he's go watch a magic show you know just the and you respect guys like that you know because I know at the end of the day when they say was a turn them certain type away and people were crazy it was it was tough it was tough honestly it was tough to even move on from rob energy you know what I mean you look at him like man I think it tends to help out those awkward relationships but I you're right though if all you're doing is getting lost a quarter and having dinner together I never winning games than southern has to change ah but they're gonNA blow it up they don't Landau right I mean we we got every day co boom how frustrating was that I mean in your careers where you know you're all pretty young I just recently come out of school you're all going through the same stuff in you guys basically support system for each other now obviously and you got Matt Lloyd and we got Scott Perry you know kind of you know the front office guys that you Kinda just put the face of the position you know felt like we all spent the summer there you know what I mean you called me on draft night like what happened what happened you know what I mean you and then they always say you know it's a business but I just think that between you got rob headed ex- me I think we're all going pretty good for us yeah you've all went on to have success elsewhere so it's been cool to see for you guys because I mean I got along you guys really well I was bummed honestly moved on either a three trade or free agency and a few guys got emotional leaving because they were like your family like your brothers how tough is that went down I'm sure not nearly as frustrating for you but I'm glad you guys still keep in contact oh that's cool because that team was very close and I think you guys were all it was a cool thing because you guys were all the same around and getting warmed up and you were talking about how good he was and how tough he was to guard so how nice is it to be on his side now I know I think we both you wanna stay in contact with these guys and you know it was just it wasn't frustrated it was just more I open and I just I think we're all happy that happened at the beginning of Korea versus happening that's not for everything so so you guys so we make sure we keep group chat type if anything changes you better put your new phone number in the groups that because you see a lot of the talk about you know the Lakers and the clippers because you know or the rockets because those teams just came together this summer where you know you guys have had a star duo for and a duck in you know you may them a little too hard and they call me go in his favor so so we talked about it we joked about it he laughed he's opening take it from what you've seen you know playing against them houses shot looking pretty good it doesn't look bad at all I mean I wasn't around when he wasn't shooter at least for one year we know that we don't have to deal with that and like I have you on the team and I was like Shit you come in crap I'm happy on your team and I'll have to see in a real game because that's the only way I can judge them you know I've only played against them but for me it doesn't look like he's running from anything that in a basketball player supposed to do he's a he's a hell of a player I mean that's that's no question you know you got to get there you get to get the sweep through call on him that frustrates you to spend it third make it gel you know preseason really show us and let us know what we can do but for the most part I'm happy I'm on this side and I look forward to a good season yeah I think right now Lincoln phillies has got something good going on and I mean just you just see what is based around you know one of the best best centers in the League is no question and then you gotta a younger like nobody wants to be that physical all night you know everybody wants to jump is you know that but you know guy like myself I gotTa Kinda you know stand my ground and you know pick my spot him continuing to develop a wonder some of the expectations you guys are discussing as a team do you guys I mean obviously you guys could be one of the top teams in the eastern conference but I mean shoots by any other player I mean take the shots they giving them he's just so gifted and talented in so big that he can get more than anybody else I mean type feel for them you know we compete a lot but I mean you just look at that and what you gotta match up with I mean this is really nice and you know the best the best thing about it is that we got time and wouldn't chuck it three just to show you guys that shoot either right if I could just do in-and-out crossover bump somebody and don't get you know what I mean you're GonNa take the short to versus a like my family's Kinda like Hey God you're coming on now I mean and you know we kinda it was Kinda like makes a jumper again he he's still a dominant player because everything else you can do you know passing defense transition I mean the guy is a freak of nature so it'll be fun roster looks rate is just on us to you know a test how good I roster doesn't look you know it's just it's just one of those things you know the media can't win to winning teams in Indiana in Philadelphia was that really important for you very important you know it gets to the point where you know what he's trying to trying to a three foot of media I mean it's not worth it and he's just such a dynamic player coming downhill in in open court in his development he doesn't like not shoot ever you know then shoot after practice ever or high school it was I don't want to shoot free throws everything that NBA players do I mean he's an the best team in the east the Senate third but I think the message that we kinda kill it telling ourselves as you know just one day at a time key jelly keep getting better and we just WANNA come out the gate we're kind of like you had to go to a new team and it was kind of like a little guys know me I do you guys get to know me like that yeah you know what I mean then you start thinking like oh so which is one of those teams that think that you know we have a great shot at doing so and I just think that we're taking the right steps to do so let along the summertime that the front office put together I know you wanna come out the gate on the right foot versus you know trying to figure it out we got good roster we got a good people and I think that you know oil now and Simmons and embiid or bill so young I mean they're still developing their games there's been a log about Ben Simmons Development and you know how he's GonNa try shoot the ball but more this year I conversation you know he's like at least we know for this year you know we don't have to battle each other being more you mean that you always joke like Kyle you come and you try to be too physical you look at a young player who I mean jumped on the scene last year and the year before that John Richardson you know he's a look at the starting lineup and you're like wow I mean I play against it so I have a different goals you guys have said our expectations that this team has as a group you know I think that what the expectations I think the media is driving us to say championship for All Star Like Ben Simmons and you got a special talent around what off it brings to the game and with Tobias can do on the floor you know you can do so many things at that size losing seasons in Orlando and New York last night last year was your first time you know making the postseason is that one of the main reasons you want to go to you know you have to go out there and win so I always wanted to be a part of a winning situation and thankfully you know last two years to win and situations have made the call it's kind of like anymore to be a part of your organization turnaround I contribute what I contribute and I had to go to a team that needs contribution you know I'm not GonNa you know playing for your hometown team you grew up knicks fan right yeah groper knicks fan you know they they were always on TV so you Kinda just watch them you know being in New York knick for a second because I know you grew up in New York I've talked to some players and they love playing for their hometown team they think it's exciting and you know sometimes they grew up rooting for that too yeah no I wouldn't I wouldn't say I'm not I wouldn't I'll be against it you know because obviously I feel like I could bring a lot to anything but on the inside of that you know those years ago allows you doing that much losing when you're developing the pro but he just you know when you look at it a team like Indiana putting shifty winds together it's like wow talked about some of the downside of being around hometown team just there's a lot of people that want tickets and there's a lot of distractions that come with that so what was it like for you being happy a ship fourth and I think that's a need is just want to say champion's championship yeah they want to accept everybody's go I mean thirty teams. NBA think they're GonNa win a championship right now I mean I've never been to Westchester before ever living in New York is just you never go there when you're from Queens and you add that to plant in the garden and you it's definitely a different experience my first time last year and I think that this she'll be you know pretty exciting as well yeah for sure I mean I wanNA talk about talk for reason he headed the other day and I think that was the truest statement I coming all star I mean you know how hard it is to be an all star yeah even if he never shows up the right yeah even if he never and get the nets too much in Queens so you just watch the Knicks you know and all the great moments that repeats the Great Gators Games is always on repeat on MSG network and everything and the Knicks Great Organization since I was younger you know they get you know people talk about them because you know there's so much expectation playing in the city but a big the best the best borrow and if a huge borrow so you never have to leave so you've gotta think I went back and live somewhere I never lived before and it was a roster training camp you could tell a different mentality it's like a edgy mentality like guys again after it so I mean it's good to see you had to go through Damn I've also talked to players you think it's a really big distraction like remember Dwight Howard uses say before he did go to Atlanta after kind of you know going through some you know great organization can't say anything can't say anything bad about the Knicks you know Mecca of basketball but it was never really a distraction when I went home and actually helped me and my family a lot I see why and then I just

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The Sedano Show HR 1: RELAX

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The Sedano Show HR 1: RELAX

"Hey what's up. It's feels like it's been forever because it probably has but it's great to be here again. Curtis are you guys forgot what she looked like. I no I. I didn't forget I saw you on. TV like every other night. Well that's true so thank you. I appreciate that you like Brian Cabinets cages. Lying right now. Actually what what what I'm not here. I've been tuning even watching. You're not watching any sports. I don't blame you to be honest. It's funny I don't watch sports when I'm not working either. The first thing I'll do tonight is watch. HBO THAT'S I catch up on H. B. O.. Shows on Friday. I decided to watch the Irish with my time yesterday. So it's like there's other things that like that's commitment right there three hours and thirty minutes. It's funny I have had to cross country flights in the last two weeks and I've yet to attempt to try to watch that. Now now the most recent trip back I was doing a super bowl feature for ESPN. And I was flying back during Zion's first game so there's no way I was watching it then but yeah I've had some securities offered something mixed reviews that I'm like it's Kinda like the clippers. There was a lot of hype. And you know it hasn't lived up to the hype right now. At least that to this point that could change but at least right now. That's what it feels like the Irishman like if we were assigning team to the Irishman. It would be the clippers right. Now you think wow look at that line cast looking at start. The beginning of the movie right heard the beginning of the movie is good. It just gets to a point where you're like. This is still on kind of drags a a little bit halfway through right which is exactly what's happening to the clippers season right now. It is dragging though they are in a competitive match with Miami but man they have been beating up Miami emme physically. They are the one of their guys. Patrick Patterson got a A flagrant because he basically chokehold to Joe's junior and he now Patrick Patterson again again has taken Alabama and a bio. WHO's an all star probably in mid-flight cheating clippers? Sup with that I mean I. I'm not a big fan of now. Granted that's the team I grew for but I'm also not a big fan of the midflight. Take down down like come on. You're like you're completely defenseless in that situation. You know this isn't football you don't have pads. Yeah even though those hitting the receivers of the middle are pretty brutal. Yeah well helmet-to-helmet right. I get it you know what I'm saying but I like in college football. I hate the targeting rule. It's punitive it's silly but yeah like there needs to be more or like Patrick Patterson I guess he they didn't call it a flagrant all right so anyway. But this clipper team team is in some trouble. I feel like there's a lot of drama. Surrounding this clipper team right. Now and the Lakers okay. A little blip on the radar against the Boston Celtics Celtics or whatever. But are you really going to complain. I understand they're the rival. But are we really going to sit here and complain about the Lakers season. Thus far now. That's not to say that there aren't things that you can sit here and say all right then you not great here. This person isn't playing that well. I'm not talking about the micro but just the big picture. The macro air should be zero complaints about the Lakers. Right now the one seed in the western conference like you can't complaining about the Lakers. Jessie are you. I mean it's I wouldn't say complaining but you can't eat has got to look things always something that they can improve on. Shore are and I'm with you on that but again. That is a micro view of the Lakers. I'm talking big picture like if I told you today. What is the Lakers schedule? I mean schedule record right now. There were like what thirty six and six believe something crazy like that right. If I told you that the Lakers were thirty six in whatever at this stage of the season you take take that take that to the bank and cash it exactly. That's all I'm saying like we need to kind of just slow down a little bit with what's going on with the Lakers. I I understand that the championship that that's you want. You want a championship campionships. You know there are thirty six nine but if I told you thirty six and nine back in September you'd be pretty good with that second best record in the in the league. Everyone would take that anyone who wouldn't take that for sure. So that's kind of my point. I think we need to take a little bit of a deep breath and as much as I was joking. The Clippers earlier I also think you need to take a deep breath with them to honestly those two teams are still going to be the team's if I were a betting man that I would say are going to be in the the western conference finals like there's no one else in the western conference that scares me. I so here's one would do. But there is some drama surrounding the clippers. We'll get to that. There's also so some micro stuff that's going on with the clippers or issues with the Lakers and we'll get to that and Andrea Gonzales. Basically spent all day on TV maybe today on. ESPN and he's talked about both. Potentially joining the Lakers and the clippers. So we'll have all that coming for you here in about three minutes but first sports fans. What's the game plan tonight with your kids when you get home? Here's an idea. How about a recap of the day singing your favorite song about reading a storybook? That's what I did with my daughter Aria and that's what I'm doing with my son. Matteo whose only fifteen months we play music for him. He loves Elton John. He loves salsa. This is how you do it. And how did we learn man and we learned those first five years of the formative years because we went to I five California Dot Com. It's all about talking reading singing. It changes everything man and again being a first time parent is tough. I've been through it second time around. Not necessarily that much easier but thanks to I five California we learned the most important part of the formative years are talking to your kids reading too. You're seeing your kids and singing to your kids and you can learn the same thing at first five California Dot Com. Go there to learn more. That's first five California Gornja DOT com. I the number five California Dot Com to learn more. Sit Down Show here on. Espn Hey make sure you are there. Live live at the forum on Saturday. January twenty fifth for Bella tour to thirty eight when Chris cyborg one of the most successful mixed martial artists in history makes her Bella tour debut against Baladora featherweight champion Julia. Budd get your tickets now at ticketmaster so couple of things. I want to talk about here because it's it's been a fun time and by the way I haven't talked to you guys on the phones in a long time I mean you just call up. We can talk basketball whatever. Eight seven seven seven ten. ESPN eight seven seven. Seven three seven seven. Six six where. You'RE GONNA have a little free for all on a Friday free for all Friday effort Friday so ooh yeah. So there's clipper drama and then there's Lakers issues right. We'll just call it that I don't think issues are as big a deal as drama. So the clippers drama according to Sam Amick of the athletic is that there some issues within within the locker room that maybe some of these clipper players are not happy with equal preferential treatment of course and Paul George. Now here's the thing I can see this from both sides of the coin okay. I understand if I'm a clippers player. Who let's say was on this team last year? And we were a forty eight win team. blue-collar right we're GONNA do it the hard way we always bring our lunch pail to work right little engine that could thing and we took the warriors to six games. I get those I guys being like. Well wait a second. I gotTA sacrifice my body but those guys don't have to sacrifice their bodies. I'd be a little annoyed by that. I kind of understand that however however in life regardless of where you are you have to know where your lane is for example. I do a lot of TV. There's no work I'm not Stephen. A Smith my bank account because of that is not like Stephen a Smith's Stephen. A Smith deserves every penny he gets because the man not only produces ratings. But he's on so so many things but more importantly he produces ratings. So I'm not gonNA compare myself to Stephen Smith so if you are one one of the little engine that could clippers. You probably shouldn't compare yourself to Paul George who is a multi time all-star all. NBA Type Player. Let alone coup. Why Leonard who is a two-time finals? MVP also if you wanted a little engine. That could clippers your new teammates. Who are supposed to be? The stars of your team are the stars. Thirteen also are dealing with legitimate injuries. Coli Leonard Ramona. Shelburne reported this a long time ago. During the whole spurs controversy. Controversy co I Leonard Squad is degenerative problem. He will always have to manage that quat not to mention. He's got a looney thing. Because if you know this the knee bones the thighbone thank you. You know what I'm saying it's all interconnected the more you know. So there's that legitimate injury issues Paul. George had not one but two shoulder injuries so those are real injuries and now he's got a hamstring injury. He's had it hurt if he gets. It dinged up again like he has right he had a tweak then he got I pulled again so you figure you know what let's respite because if it gets pulled a third time chances are he's going to be out a month or two and that you don't want not at all so I would tell the little engine that could clippers to just relax and stay in your lane a little bit because because the Toronto Raptors went through something similar like this with Kawhi now granted they had more success. I think when I was out there were seven thousand five hundred twenty two games but you get my my point here. That's my drift. which is a calm the bleep down? It'll work itself out that dude's healthy that dude can drag you literally drag you to a championship. So there's that now with the Lakers I understand Laker fans that you don't like Rajon Rondo. Do I get it. I'm not going to make this personal. I don't I don't know Rondo like that but Rajon Rondo at the moment comment is not a productive basketball player and he's living off reputation. Some still that to me is a problem. I think that there is a huge issue with someone like Rondo. Because it's almost dangerous right veteran players. They like Rondo and coaches and players in general gravitate to him and give him the quote unquote benefit of the Out because man. He's been there he's a champion. He's done that. He hasn't been a plus player for almost six seasons. Maybe longer actually go look at Rajon. Rondo individual net ratings over the last six or seven seasons. They are all negative negative aggressive. And he's playing with the greatest player on the planet a man who was an MVP right now. Lebron James Will Lebron sits and Rondos in the game. He's a minus eight. The team is minus eight. Now Look Rondo. Lebron both in the game. It's like plus barely but it's a plus but when Lebron the damn game you know you're GonNa win when when the bronze sits on the bench it craters. I even if Anthony Davis is on the floor. Anthony Davis Without Lebron is a minus six. Now I understand. Lebron is going to play a ton of minutes in the playoffs. And some all of this gets mitigated that way but that that still is an issue and by the way avery Bradley's not playing on that well either hot start not shooting the ball very well so I think that's an issue the Lakers back court. It's a little bit of a problem instead of big deal. It's not something you can't fix. Whether it's the trade deadline may be Darren. Collison comes. Does your way there are ways to correct that. So that's why the opening segment. I told like your fans just relax. Ax thinks it could be fine. It is January twenty fourth trade. Deadline's coming soon. That will get figured out collison. It doesn't even have a time. Line per se because he's not in the league. There's still the buyout stuff that can happen in March like there are still several possibilities. BILITY's for the Lakers to help their team. So just take a breath. All right. We'll take some of your calls on the other side at eight hundred seventy SPN eight seven seven seven seven three seven seven six plus Andrea dollars. I mentioned someone. The Lakers would love to target if he does is get bought out. I don't know if that's actually gonNA happen. We'll have to see he's been on. ESPN all day. And he's talking about the Lakers. He's been talking about the clippers and the possibility ability of him on those teams. We'll get to all that coming up stick around or back and four minutes here on. ESPN Los Angeles seven ten. ESPN SUSANNAH show here on seven ten. Espn it's the biggest heavyweight title fight in decades as world champion deontay wilder faces lineal champ. Tyson fury we live from Las Vegas the two undefeated heavy hitters square off for the second time in the most anticipated rematch in recent heavyweight. History Saturday February twenty-second nine pm. Eastern live on pay per view. So make sure you check it out again. Big Heavyweight Fight Wilder twenty nine. Oh Tyson fury in a rematch. Live on pay per view. Saturday February twenty-second nine eastern six Pacific. Here so I'm actually looking forward to that fight that is It is as big a heavyweight fight. Light as we've had in a very very long time so should be interesting. I'm watching Clippers eat right now and Do Co. is heating up a little bit now. Clippers numbers of taking a lead eighty nine eighty five. They were trailing early in this one but chipped away very quickly they should beat Miami no drag. It's no Kendrick Nunn today. Those those are two of their top six rotation guys gotta start in their six men out if the clippers don't win this one that's a bad look especially after they blew that twenty point lead to the hawks the other day like this. It should be a win yet. I didn't even know that. Miami's only home loss. So far this year was to the Lakers in controversial fashion. Because the two minute reports said that the Jimmy Taylor was filed So they're really tough at home but when you're missing two of your top six guys like that should be. An easy clipper win. Should James James in Tarzana. He wants to talk about all the conversations we were. Just having about the Lakers. Particularly what's up James. Yeah I listen to the radio and listening to people in the new. I mean every newspaper articles and stuff like that and it seems like Everybody WanNa talk. So bad about the Lakers. Like we're not really doing that. We have first first place and we can expect to have all the best players in the world so yeah we do got Rondo and we got coups and I think he's doing a great job. I'm sitting here his role but people just want to give us like all all the time. I think we don't really good. You know I'm with you. I that's why I said people need to take a breath. James you know like I think that there little things that you can tweak for sure but if I told you you were thirty thirty six thousand nine if I would have said that to you on you know when they opened camp on September twenty fifth or whatever it was you take that in a heartbeat. Man I would. Yeah and Eh and another thing with people. Talking about the Clippers Clippers Buddhist now. Listen the clip. We've got to get to the Lakers. They might not make the playoffs. My Dan- dangerous. Let's relax they're gonNA make make your play offs the we're pretty good position right now. I mean they're the three seed they're not. Yeah the thirty one and fourteen far from full. The eighth seed in the whole on James Old on the eighth seed is three games under five hundred. They're not missing seeing the playoffs. Well they might make the but they may not make two okay number one. I'll tell you this right now. It's it's working out perfectly for everybody because if the clippers are the three seat if they remain the three seed. You wouldn't see the Lakers until the conference finals. Yeah but I don't think the hold up to three you. No that's my thing. I don't know if they hold up because Colli he played every other game Jordan always hurt and another guy who knows they get mad they said Oh man how come I gotta work hard every day but this is fan right now. I'll play every other game. I don't like that. Yeah Clipper Fan. I'm a Laker Fan. Eight the clippers. You know I feel you. I mean the Toronto Raptors felt that way and thanks for the call James James The Toronto Raptors a lot of them I mean they. Don't you could say that now. 'cause they won right but they they lie. Guys are feeling that way. They didn't know how to react to the whole thing thing and then they went seventeen and five with Adams. They felt pretty good and they ended up winning the chip. And you look back like Amen. Whatever it was it was worth it for sure like? I don't think there's any doubt about that. So look say what you want about that. Dude that dude produces when it matters eight seven seven seven ten. ESPN IF YOU WANNA have aboard. Eight seven seven seven ten three seven seven six I mentioned Andrea dollar was all over. ESPN today and we'll play a bunch of these clips here throughout the next couple minutes. You're listening to Caspian Los Angeles by the way. Here's what he said about the clippers. You live the clippers in a little different Because they have a lot of weapons like you said Mantras Chris Heralds putting up. You know he gets thirty. You know seems like every other week and Lou Williams is able to get to the foul on like no other and he's showing that he can do in the playoffs as well. Last year's playoff performance especially can suss was is amazing and come back in thirty one game and Taking a game from US in Golden State they made us up game a little bit so you know they have a lot of weapons as well They've been really solid in terms of whether position right now considering their injuries and considering that quieter and Paul George having been on the floor as much so you know You want to see them play a little bit more these last you know thirty forty games and seeing if they can build some chemistry go into the playoffs because see. That's the one thing I'm I am concerned about is that there is even when they do play together. There is a lot of your turn my turn with Paul and coli and I do think that you could still get to the finals that way. I mean it's possible. I saw Wade and Lebron do that their first year but the west is tougher than that Eastwood's back then so I'm with Andrea. I think you need to get a little little chemistry going. Here's what a good things about the Lakers. So far well Lebron James has been to so many emmys you you lose count of. How many finals has been too? I think he's one of those very few players who elevates every other four guys on his team like no other you kind of like Magic Johnson. Like everybody's a threat on the floor. One thing I have seen in the Lakers always give a shout out to my guys reform teams but They had a stretch one eighty. He was out missed a bunch of games they still want quaint. Cook came in and did a hell of a job Coming in putting this appointee scored a ball. And you know so. Sometimes you have question marks marks and you have guys like Quinn Cook. Caruso I think Rhinos Rondo was very underrated as well. Sometimes you look at his numbers and they might not tell the whole story you know the way. He's orchestrating different things like that like that. And you don't see often too many teams that put two big men and rotate the way they've done with the White House and whether you've done what McCain how they. Yeah I mean Look Doc. It's just what I was saying. Like the Lakers issues are not upfront like Dwight Man Rachel Rachel Nichols did interview with Dwight For Today on the jump Tom and say what you want about. Dwight I know the first time around and go so great but man. He is absolutely lived up to the billing in this particular role. I don't think there's any doubt about that and I don't think anyone saw this coming. Dwight release all this coming. He does Oloron in a deal Outta love though a gift basket or something because those dudes allowed him to be on this team and there were a lot of people that were wondering whether he should be or not D is in Los Angeles. We'll hear more from meager dial in a second good. Hey thanks a lot I think it doesn't seem like it but I think the main thing we have to worry about is Anthony Davis okay. Was that David because we have to see. If Anthony Davis Davis he needs to be the best player in the floor. In the playoff. Specially against the clippers. Okay Lebron has been a leak. Seventeen years it's hard for him to go ahead up with Hawaii. An Paul George. AD has to establish yourself as the best player on the floor. We when he plays the clippers. We need thirty five and seventeen and we really need it and he has to show that he's the best player in the game. We have seen him do that in the playoffs yet so we have to see if he can do this. And and that's my concern. He's a great player. It reminds me. He reminds me of a more athletic. I know it doesn't sound their games. And not like but it reminds me a Lebron on May of Colby and saw Lebron and Davis reminds me of that. But we're we're missy we don't have a Lamar Odom and we don't have a Trevor Trevor reason and we need those kind of parts. The only thing that saved us is that the league is a little water down here. But I'm concerned about the clippers in the books any team. That's had athletic front court and a quick point Gohmert has beaten us we lost to Orlando Endo. We lost to Toronto. We lost to Boston. And we lost to the clippers twice. Yeah and I know those are those are the only teams off concerned. Learn about we lost to D- to your point the teams that they've either lost to or have played them really tight are teams that have big that can stretch you out a little bit right like I think that there's something to that Because the Lakers bigs are mostly dominant in the paint outside of Anthony Davis and then we they're killing a yeah well no but like teams have the have guys that can spread the floor on you right like particularly big men that can spread the floor and you can see that being a potential issue like that I Mavericks Game Those First Two Maverick's it's games. I'm you know what I'm saying like. They're bigs were hitting threes from everywhere right and then they lost some of their bigs. PORZINGAS didn't play the third time they wipe the floor of them same with the the last time they plate so with animals with you on the Anthony Davis stuff especially against the clippers. Anthony Davis AS TO PUNISH THE CLIPPERS. That's the yes that's the best way for them to win against that particular team because they do not have a natural matchup for him not at all not at all and he in the both ofttimes we played them. He's shooting three. He's out on a parameter. Listen I'm Anthony. Davis is a great player. What I WANNA see from him? He's one of the only the players I've seen a history here like twenty five and thirteen. I'm like man. He had thirty two and eighteen because sometimes he lets other team off the hook. He's a little sweetness. He likes to understand shooting jumpers. Seven foot I understand it three points but when you put them down low and I don't think his back to your basket download I I mean make it quick he has an unstoppable floater with a quick first step man. We need to concentrate on that to beat the League teams. Thank thank you sir. Have a good night eight seven seven hundred ten. Espn Houston is in Los Angeles. Houston what up man. What up? Thanks for taking my call I don't know what everybody's talking about about all these trades and I don't think we need to train cools mine. A lot of the guys are are being really good in their roles. I just think that the Lakers is a lot of games this year. We haven't had a closer to the games that we lost. Lebron to me is not that closer like He. He's just he's not closing games to me in my opinion We were relying on a lot of guys to shoot threes to win games when we really need a legitimate closer like in the last. You know few years with the Lakers. We haven't ever had that and you saw other teams had superstars that were closing out games and Phil. We don't yeah but I think that stuff with the brand is overrated. Lebron always make the right play in the end the Games and whether that's taking the shot himself or getting a guy in open look like there are few people in sports history that can make the plays that he he can make you know what I mean so I just don't I don't buy that part of it I will say this. I do think that you know what I saw here on. The call screener says that you think it's a bad idea to trade eight coups. I would agree with you but I also think that coups has been so inconsistent as far as his scoring. Totals right. Like you know when Lebron was Missed that game and okay see. He went for thirty. Six right The night before that against Dallas playing with Lebron he had like were loaded with twenty five twenty six points whatever it was but then he gives you like a four point game. You know what I mean it. There has to be some consistency. And it's tough historically being that third or dude on the Lebron teams has been tough. But he's not as talented as Chris. Bosh and Kevin Love were not overall talent. You know what I'm saying so I think I think that I would keep him only because he will one thing he does really well is what you're pointing out. Is We know that there are nights he can score and they do need that. They don't have a guy who can just go. Get you a bucket outside of those first two guys at least not dues. You can count on regularly but I don't feel like a low the games that we've lost this year. It's not like Oh you know what it's it's cool or Oh if you know is Casey P.. I feel like these guys are doing great. We just like for instance the Gala Lock Against Orlando Folks was the closer we talked about. We got Lebron James Against Marquel folks and Markelle full but I mean also markle awful to a small dude shifty like. You can't ask Lebron to be guarding him all the time you know what I'm saying like there's that part of the dog is thirty five years old. You know what I'm saying like in January. You can't be having him guard. Markdale foltz that's not. That's not a sound strategy. I get that it's not necessarily on the defensive end but I'm I'm just saying as far as when we need we. We've Lost Games because we've needed a bucket and we couldn't get that bucket in only nine games the chew a little bit. I'm not I'm not saying. Oh we're not gonNA win because of that book. I mean we still got a great record and everything but I feel like you know everybody's kind of like oh we've got tray we gotta get back. There's nobody out there. I feel we're going to get well. And here's the other thing. Houston I'll let you go but I appreciate you okay Coups only makes two million dollars others like the. There's not a lot and again. The Lakers don't have first round picks the trade like there's not a lot of ammunition there is kind of the point you know because you gotta trade salary for salary. So what are you gonNA attach. You're not trading Danny Green. Do you need that right. You need that three D. type player. Who who you trading to attach to Kouzmin to get you back something of real value in return? There's just not a lot of. There's not a lot a lot for the Lakers. To Mix and match to make that work and Rajon Rondo. How much does he make you? He makes like either actually see. What's he me Casey? P I guess he uh-huh he's playing really well now. I know he was in. The doghouse will laker fans to start the season but he's actually played really well the last month like or maybe even longer than that now. Yeah he got. He got himself out of the DOGHOUSE. Real quick I mean. The beginning of the season was born with bad bad that November was just and in December. He started to get better and you know he's played well slowly slowly slowly. He's kind of you know. All right we see Casey P exactly I. We'll take your calls. Plus we'll hear more from Andrea. Diallo was all over. ESPN today he's talking. All sorts of stuff about the Lakers and the clippers so stick around. Ramona Shelburne is GONNA join us in thirty minutes. We'll talk to her. MEENA IS GONNA stop by after that Trudell is GONNA stop. Stop by in the eight o'clock hour Yarmuk who covers the Lakers and clippers for us at ESPN a lot of guests in the back half of the show so want to open it up to you guys here in the early part of the show. Eight seven seven seven to ten. ESPN will take your calls. Here from me Gonzala Sodano show on seventeen. ESPN you think. Billy is. She can be a one hit wonder. I don't think so I think she's very creative and her spouse very unique that I think she'll be around. I'll go beyond. I'm just asking her. You know I mean this song great. Don't get me wrong. She could go the way halls ego Halsey when everyone thought she had a one hit wonder with that Americana Song and she's been kind of doing her thing but who knows. That's Hey Ramona. SHELBURNE IS GONNA stop by in a few minutes so stick around for that. We'll talk to her about what's on the trade deadline market for the Lakers clippers etc by the way some action at the four tomorrow be there live at the forum Saturday January twenty fifth for Bella tour to thirty thirty eight when Chris cyborg. One of the most successful mixed martial artists in history makes her debut against ballot or featherweight champ. Julia Budd get your tickets now at ticketmaster so so Andrea dollar has been all over. ESPN today was on. I take on countdown and we'll get your calls in a second about the Lakers clippers all that stuff but He he was asked about the Lakers particularly and we heard the clip he played earlier. But here is is Andre specifically going being in about the Lakers bigs. I think they've maximized their two bigs unlike any other team in the league. You know with the way that they're rotating tasting other than eighty you mean you mean white and Dwight Inge Avail who were written off? Four five years ago in the League and the way they've been able to resurrect their career. I think that shows you gotta give a lot of credited. Lebron who's co-signed on obviously and said bring these guys in. They're going to help us protect the paint. We're we're going to bring some strength around a d you know because the perception is a little fragile in the paint people trying to pump him. Improves wanted some bodies down out there to help those two guys really good. It's the reason why the first one West secondly just WANNA play center very much. We know that it's no surprise anymore. And those guys have provided provided a real lift and they deserve a ton of credit particularly white particularly Dwight. So here's Andre about the difference between the Lakers and the clippers. I'm curious I used to hear this because I didn't hear this on. I take you know I go back to that. Rondo thing you know. I think he does enhance their bench and making sure they get the most out of their bench and I think that does give them a little bit more depth than the clippers but the clippers have a little bit more firepower in terms of you know the guys. You just name Paul George All the way down to Patrick Beverley Lou Williams mantras. Sarah you know they just got a lot of things going right there and you know. It got mcgruder. Got Still got some other guys who are still coming to form the Rondo thing. It's just like I talked about earlier. Man These veteran guys is love Rondo. He's a good dude in the locker room. He's just not the player he once was. I mean the numbers. Don't lie in those situations and I'm talking about numbers that not just this this year just like four years. Now it's just crazy but there's another example of what I was talking about earlier. Oh Man let's go to the phones eight seven and seven hundred ten. ESPN Franken San Pedro. Some of my favorite restaurants in San Pedro absolutely savage Iraq's. Yeah crazy fish. I love at that spot. That's my that's one of my my best fish guts. Sam Do I but look the reason why I'm calling is just a touch. What you're based on earlier with the Celtics Toronto? No no the clippers or the Lakers play these guys. They look like they're out of position like their loss like they don't know where to go and the one thing that they are lacking is that killer instinct. Like if you're GONNA finish the team off finish them off. Just go after the throat. Just get kicked out of the water. Let them know that you're for real. Let them know that. You're GONNA do some justice to the Laker Brad. Red For instance. The Lakers are fine. The Lakers they could use a little bit more sparring at a coups MMA and I understand he wants to when he's out there it just seems like he has no pressure well abroad and ad are where the ball is the differences. Sometimes don't signs where he has been Nice advantage with Eddie and the game is because he just doesn't know where he is in with right he doesn't understand his role in that certainly hurts his consistency. I'm with you on all that but I just think that here's the thing with Lebron teams. They get old quick because because He wants a lot of veterans. And I don't blame him. He wants a lot of veterans. That can help him win. Now and the window is smaller with Lebron at thirty five now but man I you did everything you could to protect him to keep him. Kuzina that is. Do you WANNA lose all your youth like youth. That can be impactful them. I don't know how I feel about that. Brian and Chino Hills. What about Brian all good? Yeah so you know sticking with that with Talk you know. I think honestly thought to be made as you matching salaries you can throw. It took her daniels or one of those guys. But you gotta get. Derrick rose At the guy that he can come in. We'll wait the Lakers. Wouldn't even trade Alex Caruso for Derrick rose there sure is not going to trade cow Kuzma. Well he's said they wouldn't take root though. I think I'm telling you I was talking about it on Mason in Ireland. If that's available you don't think you'll both off sugar on that note. I think you have that guarantee score in create for himself because when in the camp uh-huh here's what I'll push back a little on you Brian. Derrick rose playing for a bad team getting all the shots and buckets that he wants. That's not going to be the case where you've got to play a role here and he's also done the Lebron experience and it didn't go so well yet you know back then He he wasn't quite physically worried that now sure but again again he's getting all the looks he wants because on a bad team you know. But he's he's shooting a better percent engine you know he'll he can get his don't shot. That's different nobody on that team. Be Thought you know Lebron and maybe OK P can get their shot they. Yeah I listen I I think the derrick rose prototype make sense. I just don't know if Derrick rose is going to be the one that makes sense Mikey. Calabasas might area what's going on. I'll good the Brotherhood of Mr Bomber to clips. They are forever. We'll be interesting. I don't care how much uncle Ennis's nephews is like. Is this or that suite on that team. Lou Williams even your state basketball reason themselves into its nipping chip. They would just beat the mets. Do One would care. They don't have a we have. They never will the other point. I wanted to point out to you. Said you were right when he wants. Loss to the bullets and the Celtics regular season they create that soldier. Boy in the postseason. I don't see that at all the most efficient shock creator. Mba and we could do buses lag. Didn't have a training camp. I need to get it together. Lady just start going rack horrid MAC attempt is out on that with appreciate you stay up. I'm be good. Yeah I said that earlier you mentioned on what Mason in Ireland which was I've seen these Lebron teams man for years. I covered one as we all know somebody. You know like for four years and they get beat by T. Knicks and the Bulls and the Celtics and it was like they'd lose three games in the regular season. Four Games in the regular season. Everybody he was freaking out. I just don't buy into the regular season stuff. Even if the Lakers were to lose to the clippers in a week or whatever it is I'll be like whatever like I I'm not threatened in by it Because I just think there are two different beasts like first of all. Lebron is a different beast in the playoff and Anthony. Davis in very limited sample size has played very well in the playoffs. Now he has had the stakes but he's played very well all right. We'll take more of your calls in a second eight seven seven ten. ESPN RAMONA IS GONNA join us in fifteen minutes. We'll talk trade deadline with her so stick around for that. She's actually at. This clipper games so I wanNA talk to her so makes you you stick around for that. Mean at times will join us as well. We'll talk football with our trails GONNA stop by in the eight o'clock hour and Yama Shoe because well Savannah show oops sorry about that one little early Sonata show here on seven to ten. ESPN I thought it was over. I mean I don't want to say anything yet. Morales is probably listening. It'd be like why are you stepping over my imaging imaging anyway so he's taking right now. Yeah probably hey real quick before we take your calls Ramona's going to join us in a couple of minutes eight minutes so we're going to do a quick segment take a couple of calls so we can get to Momo as quickly as possible Real quick though. It's the biggest heavyweight title fight in decades as world champion deontay wilder faces lineal champ. Tyson Fury Live from Las Vegas to undefeated heavyweight hitter square off the second time in the most anticipated rematch in recent heavyweight. History that Saturday February twenty-second at six o'clock live on pay pay per view. I let me speak in a couple of calls here. So we can get to Momo WHO's been on? Hold the longest right Robert in Pacific palisades. How are you Robert? Pretty good my friend our you so I wanted to save. Kyle Kyle Kuzma and trading him as pros and cons. But let's let's talk about the pros for the pros. commod Kyle Kuzma said last summer. He's been really working on the two big holes game which were which was ball handling a defense and he was absolutely right that those are the two biggest goals and here it is months later. You can't blame his injury or anything else. He doesn't know how to play defense and for for for the good Lord Sake isn't somebody's selling them out to any green point side. He doesn't even get down and property as a physician. He's horrible. You get the ball all off and he's erotic because he plays three games great and then five games on the other hand and this is my point why tinker the Camaraderie of the Lakers. I haven't seen in this together. Maybe ever even in Tampa. If you're having fun like this the team togetherness and you're going to get rid of coups you're could get what her get. Somebody marginally better right. WHO also doesn't have probably the long-term ceiling that he has so you're right? I'm with you I would keep keep him. I would keep him in leading. Figure it out but I'll say this much like the off season. Remember the rampling cassette. I consulted Lebron on everything. You know. There's been some stuff out there. I don't know how accurate it is or not a you know trainer stuff right that was said and you know Lebron you don't mess with that kind of stuff. You know what I mean like you. Don't WanNa deal with that kind of stuff new now him in cu squash. It coordinator Brian. But that you you may forgive but you don't forget right and I think that's part of just Lebron being Lebron and I don't blame them. Nate and long Beechwood nate. It was going. Oh Man I'm good sir and yourself. I'm good I just a couple of things I just wanted to say that you really can't measure answer. What Rondo means to the team by numbers because You know he does a great job in practice with the young fellows and the guys at Someone other veterans of telling them where to be on the floor and when he's out as like a coach on the floor Kuzma he just needs to get out of his own head and Lebron. I've seen this from him before. He's just simply trying to get his teammates to play up to the level that they beat be by the time playoff. Come around. No listen I feel you about the being like a coach on the floor stuff. The Oklahoma almost city thunder had nick. Collison forever okay I'm watching a game between the clippers and heat right now. You've got is has limits still in this league because he's basically a coach But those dudes didn't and play very much at the end you know what I'm saying. Because they were. The team was bad when they were on the floor. They couldn't defend the same way they couldn't score the same way. And that's what I'm talking about. Rondo not not individual numbers. I'm talking about T- numbers when he's on the floor. Well I understand. I understand that but that's also to me if you ask me some of that blame has go to Frank Vogel because you keep putting him out there and you got quaint cooks sitting on the bench when Queen Cook could be out there playing those minutes short and Getting into You know that gives you another shooter on the floor to help help the spacing and You know he he he plays defense too. So I mean it's like Vogel Google has to trust. Yeah but I think frank for the most part nate. I think frank a really good job with this roster man like you know it has some shortcomings not a ton on but it has some Jeff is intensity Jeff. I got like thirty seconds. Go ahead by all right. I'M GONNA make it quick first of all I miss in the morning. You're better in the morning than the other guy. I don't say that that's not true. Go ahead but The other thing is is that go with the chemistry. Everything's cooking lookin. Everything's fine leave. Everything alone and number is three Can we rename the clippers. The Sandia San Diego Geico Corp. Los Angeles. You're rolling until that last joke You know on the The the analysis analysis of the basketball teams so anyway Clippers are only up nine without two thirty to go right now. So Ramona. Shelburne is at that game. We will talk to her because it'll probably conclude by the time she's on she's going to join us in about three minutes. Don't forget meaning is will join us. 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Draymond Gets Paid, Zions Big Draw, and the 2010s All-Decade Teams | The Mismatch

"Hi kelly and welcome to the ringer podcast network up on our site. The ringer has just published their first ever fantasy football rankings or n._f._l. Experts danny kelly kelly robert mays danny height bits and more rank and analyze the top one hundred fifty players in twenty nineteen with principal mobile cheats to take with you wherever you're drafting it check out a rankings and for more preseason coverage listen to the dancy football podcast for head over to ringer dot com <music> welcome to the ringer n._b._a. Show i'm chris vernon. Jordan murphy does every tuesday from the ringer. Dot com is giving o'connor aka kevin o. palmer aka kevin o. conflict take kevin o. concert aka kevin cameron aka kevin o. climber. Oh comment kevin oh candy land kevin verna. What's going on man. How how you doing well. There's actually of stuff that has taken place since we last spoke. We have some big news of one of the significant players in the n._b._a. Signing a contract extension also some scheduled news has already come out <hes> but let's start with that significant player and signing of an extension and it was draymond green. He now has is a long term deal with the golden state warriors. The fourth year option in his new one hundred million dollar extension would allow him to go after even even more guaranteed dollars in the future because he has a option in his contract unlike steph and clay reported nick for dell l. from e._s._p._n. But in furnace steph curry has a two hundred million dollar contract and klay thompson has a one hundred and ninety million dollar contract. Are you surprised that draymond signed the four year hundred million dollar extension no and the reason why is because that two hundred and four million that was out there potentially for him this next summer is not something old state would have offered and even other teams teams other teams could have offered him a maximum of four years one hundred fifty million. I'm not sure some of those teams that could have even offered that would offer it a team like the atlanta hawks. They could've created the cap space but are they gonna offer that to near thirty year. Old big man is dream on. We're gonna leave golden state for that team. No i don't think so so i think for draymond green and for clutch blotch they projected ahead with the market they projected ahead with his career and there is more value in signing a guaranteed one hundred million dollar deal right now rather than waiting in for golden state. It's a it's a good team. Fair contract for a guy who will be thirty when the deal kicks in and it's a very tradeable contract for no matter what happens in the future he'll make atmos- twenty seven point six million in that player option deal in the fourth year. That's twenty twenty three twenty four season when dre won't will be thirty three three years old so for draymond it makes sense to lock insecurity now and for golden state warriors that makes sense to lock him in on a good deal not risk potentially getting a one hundred fifty million dollar offer next summer the one thing that was a little surprising to me is this is the cash in moment for him because he hasn't gotten paid by players that he has been much more significant -nificant to winning van right. I think it's fair to say you look around. The league and draymond green has not made the money that players that are much worse than him have made eight. I think he probably looks around and even on his own team. After what was a breakout season for the brooklyn nets and i understand his youth but you daniel a russell signed a one hundred seventeen million dollar contract right and so you look around the locker room. Everybody's got an ego ilgar on the locker room and it's like wait hold on now. Well i mean i've i've helped deliver championships to this team. I've been the heart and soul of this team. <hes> so i i listen. I think it does something about draymond because he obviously he wants to stay with the golden state warriors and wants to keep that together and the ego and this moment could get the best of you because you would think i would think if i'm him look claes going to be out. He's gonna be out for a long time. Everybody's gonna see what i really am now because if they're going to win games draymond mom's gonna have a big year and if he kept himself in shape and he did all of the thing if we got playoff draymond for a year the numbers he could put up with him and curry having to do it. Every night could be rather absurd. I think and so. I don't know i mean again. This stuff does come up in locker rooms where you look grounded. Everybody knows what everybody's contract is and there was a part of me that thought he ain't gonna be fine with making less money than the ngelo russell but he e._s. is going to be fine with that. Look i mean you can't necessarily compare what you're making it. Somebody else that gets you into trouble. That's what leads to like exactly as you're describing. If your dream on you can't do that and if your dream on you have to look at the market for what the league expertise begs you have to understand that teams are paying for projected future performance lawrence not paying for past performance so everything that draymond green is done obviously matters significantly but it doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be making an an equal impact moving forward in the future so for draymond yeah there. Is that question about about his conditioning. That really came up last season. Yes there is that question of as he's thirty years old. That's coming season. He'll turn thirty in march. So when this contract starts up in the twenty twenty twenty one season he'll be thirty someone who has had his weight fluctuate ever since that's he's back at michigan state. The question will be moving forward at six seven pudgy two hundred thirty two hundred forty pounds whatever he is. How does his game develop up over the years because the thing would drain on is athleticism is more than just leaping ability so often we think of athletes these big dunkers guys like the andre very jordan and zac levin who just dunk over people and do all these amazing things but athleticism also has to do with like lateral movement and things like that so for draymond so much of his success over the years has been due to his elite athleticism his ability to react and change directions quickly where over the years his body has been able able to keep up with his brain which moves at hyper speed but at some point maybe he's slow down just a little bit just a little bit whether that has to do with conditioning or athleticism and at that point what does dream on become for you if he's not an elite top end defender like he still can be a look every two. You're talking. What about the losing establish or you know what we thought it was last year because of what he did throughout the season and then it was all philly though but he was not good then six weeks before the playoffs he decides he's gotta shed off found and we get this guy throughout the playoff run that looked nothing like he did if if you watch them during the regular season and you thought to yourself my god if this guy if he was like this all season this is the best defensive player in the n._b._a. It's not even i mean to me. It turns out. I mean he's switching on guards and stay with them. He's even grabbing rebounds off the board and outrunning everyone to the other end in scoring and so he did take the season off for better or worse much of the regular season that's why he was missing valuated though people are able were focusing too much on what he's doing. The real season season when they're golden state warriors at that point are coasting. Everybody's coasting on that team because they were building for the finals well it. They weren't all coasting. It's not like durante. Curry had bad seasons and draymond what we thought what look he decided. I'm going to get in great shape. We evaluated twenty. I five pounds overweight draymond. That's the guy that was being evaluated and the also the guy that could not make a three right so a lot of things that changed trayvon. Everyone has best thing. I remember talking to bill simmons about this on a his podcast. During the season he mentioned draymond plummeting three-point percentage trayvon has not really shot the the ball any differently than he has except for that one season the fifteen sixteen season he shot the hell out of three point paul but other than that he's been so par three point shooter his entire frigging career so last year what happened is not too far off the norm for him as a shooter and that's part of the the the issue dream on but it's part of the reason why his market maybe not isn't as fast as perhaps you would think because of some of his offense of limitations if he becomes more of a focal point i'm not saying he's a assistant player higher but so much of what maximizes his strengths is the supporting cast around him he is in a great situation for his immense strength says playmaking ability his rebounding ability to go coast to coast like you said chris all the little things that he does on the floor is one of the smartest players that we have not just the game today but one of the smartest players in the game ever for draymond green is because of the supporting cast and that wouldn't necessarily manifest for him and all these different situation so for dream on with golden state. He's in a place where yeah you know what he can take some of those games off on defense because of the fact that they have so much older talent on team and yes. Maybe he is a bit of a liability <music> as a shooter but it's okay because of all the other weapons. They have on that roster so for dream line. He's been a great situation that really just kind of highlights the strengths six and then with his weaknesses they aren't necessarily as a parent as they might be if he's on a team that has average well and we will see how this all plays out because so you never know given the player movement in the n._b._a. Now but what you would think and and they have won a ton and that's why but it is hard for me to imagine and maybe be it's just being a prisoner of the moment with all the player movement and then everything we have seen in this past offseason but getting three guys to be on one team for over a decade gate which is what this will end up being. I mean memorable. It's impossible to get one guy to be on a team over a decade. I mean once you had you had kobe bryant retire there. There was kobe bryant. There was nick collison. There was dirk nowitzki and there was you. Donnas has long obviously to those guys are superstars. Two of them were role-players that people love to having around and in the locker room and kind of holders of the flame of you know pastimes with those but then you had those then you had a mike mike conley mark assault both on different teams now and then the next one was russell westbrook different team now i mean curry is the longest tenured player on a team and dream ondon brandin and clay are right behind and with all of them getting locked up in this off season for them to not have to break those three up or for one one of them to not have i mean i think one of the things that's maybe a little underrated is the lack of ego that that takes because we saw that with breath the spurs and what do you wanna do you wanna win and tony parker could have left for more money or maybe to get more shine. Managing hopefully certainly certainly could have left for more money and to get more shot but they didn't. They stayed around. There are longer tenured players with those teams and i mean i don't know i. I don't know if that's a a bygone day or not and maybe it's just dependent upon if you can win big or not maybe jaanus is a guy. That's going to be with his team. He seems like the kind of guy that may be with his team for the long haul but you never know i mean the davis was with this team for a long time and he moved elsewhere to have three that are together for that long. I mean i don't know i i fear. We may not see that again. We may be seeing it right now with the golden state warriors though that that's talked bob myers has been open about wanting to build this team to be like the spurs joe lake up owner of the warriors has said the same same thing ownership in the front office as well steve kerr all in alignment with their goals for this team of course they want to remain in championship contention but the primary hi mary objective is remaining in in just pie off contention and having a shot at it with a strong core and that's what they do retain here with curry klay dream on in some ways days. I feel like the team has sort of been overlooked as title contender. I remember a couple of days after the finals this year. I wrote an article about like how the warriors move on from here assuming katie leaves what did they do and obviously it was very fortunate for them to land de ngelo russell the way they did in that double sign and trade they got very young across the roster with guys like willie cauley stein amari spelman adding someone even like a glen robinson out of free agency. They have a very young roster. Oh now across the team leg over guy livingston so they got younger and i think they got some skill guys that have upside like russell where you're gonna rookie like jordan jordan pool so i like what the warriors did this offseason many have klay thompson saying this week to the l. a. times that he doesn't expect to return the season before the all-star break but he does hope to after that and that is consistent with stuff. That's been reported about his potential return. That klay could come back. Maybe in late february or march asia claes back and clays nearly one hundred percent of its full capabilities by april and may i feel like the warriors i have sort of been overlooked here as a team that actually i had a shot of going to the finals again and maybe winning the whole thing would there still of their original big three with the ngelo russell and a brand new the system where i think he's going to take a leap this year as some other good young players that can also make progress and that steve kerr system well. I will say this if they are a playoff team this year and if they are able to be in the mix while clay comes back then it is because draymond as an unbelievable year. He's got to be great if trayvon's great they're going to be in the mix if he's not great if he plays like he did last year then that's on avenue and i do wonder if that was part of the calculus four. You're signing him to this extension saying hey we're gonna make this guy hole. We're going to make this guy happy. Now we need. We need that draymond that we saw for the last two months because if you've got that guy to go along with curry and russell you look down the roster. They don't have much outside of those three. You're right. There's not ought however i do think what changed for them this offseason. This is really the focus of what i wrote about this team like how do they find that next piece they data and have have a tradable asset but now they have two of them they have de ngelo russell who is gonna make twenty seven million dollars this coming season and he'll make thirty one million dollars finally or that contract so diangelo russel granted he might be. He's getting paid a lot. That is a tradeable deal. Draymond green at the money that he signed for is a tradeable contracts contracts so for the golden state warriors. They've retained some future. First round draft picks up already have but they also have d._s._l. Russell and draymond green that could either us individually individually or repackage together and some type of big deal in the future so for them. You're right that they don't have a lot else on that roster but those two guys i could either be split into more pieces. You could someday in the future. I know just signed an extension. We're talking about trading him but it's fair to think about it though like aww deal. I think that this deal was signed with the intent that we want these guys to be here for the all three of them have pence they all three of them have a fifteen percent trade kicker that is not small and that is the intent to be clear but it at least this gives you flexibility in the decisions that you can make they have more flexibility moving forward this summer because of the deals that they signed than they did day after the finals titles. You're projecting ahead like okay. What's actually going to happen moving forward for this team to build a competitive roster around steph curry inc klay thompson getting the russel to me like i know it's been talked about a lot. We talked about it when it happened but that when we look back at the summer. I think there's a strong probability. That deal is the one we'd be like who that was more important than we may have actually realized at the moment maybe so a couple things have broken since last week regarding the schedule including one piece of news that you put <unk> out <hes> which is interesting about the schedule moving a little bit. <hes> part of the reason was the fiba world cup was going to be a factor sure so obviously at some level of conversations with people about this. The season is going to start on october twenty second. What did you gather before you put that story story out there in terms of if you can the reasons for this why are we. Why are we moving around. Why does the schedule just not start at the same time every single year peter. Why haven't we found just here is when the scheduled comes out and here is when the n._b._a. Season starts and ends each year for what it's worth a reported at that schedule change last year just kind of brought it back up again a reminder everybody october over twenty seconds so what i what i was told last october basically was they were moving it up because parsley the fiba world cup happening coming up soon this month and in september part of the reason was players. That'll be playing that which granted doesn't seem like a lot with so many people dropping out but now as part of the reason that it looks like a quick time out a quick time out it is not a lot for the united states but it is still alive for the international players because it is it is very very important important to them if you ever cover international players wearing their countries uniform and playing with those guys and being the best player on that eighteen in many cases is still extremely significant to them in the united states something like the fiba world cup is obviously not bringing out the best of the best. I absolutely yeah but that's still tunnel players playing rashly which is awesome the main reason though was because simply the schedule is starting to move to early october fifteenth would have been the date had been pushed a week so now moving at to october twenty second also pushing the playoffs a week back as well l. so everything's shifts back one week later which i'm totally fine with them. Now it'll over the years shift back the other way the opener and october twenty twenty will auspey october twentieth twenty twenty. That's the deal. That's all moving up speaking of opening night. It was reported that a couple of games. I have already been scheduled for opening night which are big big games. It is not only the beginning of the season. I think this is a sign of things to come when we have seen the reports on opening night and christmas day some other significant dates on the calendar that we will get to. I think it's a sign of things to come when we see that the defending champions are in fact going to be playing as is is commonplace but that they are going to be playing against new orleans pelicans and you'd love to think that hey people are going to tune in because it's the defending champions the loss of i can't imagine that the raptors i feared they're gonna go back to having not that. Many national television games scheduled good for them but the pelicans on the other hand. This feels like a sign of things to come. The small market team that even with anthony davis was not featured on national tv in an ordinate amount or even a lot. They're opening night. They're already scheduled for opening night. They're scheduled for christmas and i think the speaks to what level of draw zion williamson is going to be according to the n._b._a. What they think is in store because he he i mean you were getting on opening night and i think that maybe from atv and endorsement and everything else scheduling. We really haven't seen this. Since it's lebron even close i mean i was trying to think back to some becoming in the league and immediately being a massive tv draw all like that could get any team on national t._v. All the time and zairians the one and i think it's indicated by what is i mean. Look the defending champions are playing people are going to tune into watch zion. That's what they're tuning in for. I mean i will too. I think it's smart but i can't wait to see how many national it'll tv games. They get simply because they won that lottery. I bet it's meant. I bet it is. I think it's a smart move by the n._b._a. Particularly hillary on opening night and christmas day to be featuring cy on because if you're thinking about the next faces of the n._b._a. Luca danni church. You're talking about yonathan akobo who already is one of them and zion williamson is undoubtedly in that conversation as well for a guy who has a shot when the braun is he is either older gone to be the next face of the league and so the time starts now to invest them that and to put him on that platform and on opening night. It's a perfect opportunity against the toronto raptors team that has is that loss colli leonard granted. They are the defending champions they aren't. They aren't actually on the floor as the orleans has a chance on opening night against the toronto raptors team to really put on a show and become everybody's second or third favourite team across the whole league like everybody's gonna wanna watch the pelicans and then also on christmas day against against yokich your featuring him against another international star in yokich putting more eyeballs on him as well just this unbelievably fantastic player that people love love to watch so if you're tuning in for zion williamson on christmas when you're with your family and you get the game on you might come away fan of yokich and really liking a team like the denver nuggets. We're going to be around around for a while as one of the contending teams in the league so for the n._b._a. It's smart for them to features. I on and i do think that investment will be worth it as well. I can't imagine there'll be flexing him out of la la games because this pelicans team is gonna be so fun. Dude that pelicans team. They had more than what i thought they were. They were scheduling obviously see. This is because of davis they had eight e._s._p._n. Games last year and they had five t._n._t. Games last year so those are the big ones and i'm not i'm not counting necessarily the n._b._a. T._v. ones but <hes> you mentioned dodge jeff lukas on e._s._p._n. Twice and t._n._t. Three times all of last year wow all of last year so even luca who ended up. I mean you want n._b._a. Rookie of the year he just was not featured on tv all that much you. If you wanna watch luca last year you had to have league pass 'cause they only had nine total and four of those were on n._b._a. The a._t._v. they only had five true big time national t._v. games and so i can't imagine last year the lakers had forty three three which was immense. That is an immense number. I have eighty two this year. I know the clippers last year had fifteen. What do do you think that number. Two clippers were never on e._s._p._n. Last year how about that that's incredible. I have a hard time believing that really cause team to watch watch a never on e._s._p._n. They were on t._n._t. Three times and they were never on a._b._c. Disrespect and now look look. What are they going to have. I mean like sixty games on national t._v. Probably call teams are opening against each other. Oh yes perfect. The only the only thing that's a little off is obviously we're not gonna get george true yes i. We've talked about that or somebody but it's lease out there that from what i've heard paul george is likely to miss the first six ish weeks of the season after his offseason surgeries to his shoulders so yes they will. They will be without paul. George unfortunately a couple of other things that have been announced christmas this clippers lakers again so hopefully even if it is six weeks you got you got both full squads by then pelicans again as we mentioned playing on christmas day. They're they're putting gets a nugget. Celtics raptors books seventy sixers rockets warriors. <hes> you know that on christmas day that is the day hey that you know the n._b._a. Kind of has to itself to put on its greatest of showcases many people because of football season. That's kinda marks when they really start paying attention to the n._b._a. Season the ones that are not hardcore fans when you saw the list of we are what is scheduled to be. The premier teased the premier games. I mean you've got diane. Who is as we just mentioned the big draw and then was there anybody missing from christmas that you thought would be on christmas. If you're trying to promote the you know the biggest teams. I feel like they pretty well nailed it that not really i think they nailed it. You know it's funny to me. Though curse chris i went in the past. Have all these games been leaked like this usually the schedule release. Everything drops bad day but i don't remember so so much from the schedule being leaked if i remember correctly i i think it was shams or somebody mentioned. This is a schedule set out the team so now teams are leaking it like there's so much reported within an hour well because what happens is leaks. I actually i can explain how this works so what happens is a lot of these teams will share air for either share their arenas baby with college teams and then you have events you have events going on all through the year so you have this is very verse difficult to pull off because you gotta schedule eighty two games with all these different arenas and you've got to move around events and so you have the arena send you you everything that they've got going or what they think they've got going and then they'll send you basically like a rough draft so the league sends a team and it'll look like it'll have your schedule on there now. At that point the teams can go back and they can request they can say hey. We'd like to get this change to. We'd like to have this change. Hey could you think about this and usually it's just maybe a few things that are request and you might get granted. We ended them. You might not but they were taken into consideration then they do a rework and then the final one comes out and i think maybe i mean it's obviously going to be later this week. But that's how it worked and so what happened what i would gather is. Everybody got their like rough draft and the second they did. There's somebody that these guys know. Oh that's able to say hey. You know what i mean. You just call a couple people that you know within organizations and you say hey. What's that rough draft. Say so those games it's possible they could get changed changed but they ain't going to be changing those big ones. They're not changing opening night. They're not changing christmas. That's the minor stuff here and there. Somebody may say hey. We want to do a concert thirty year. Hey we've got this conflict you know is there any way we can turn this into a back back or whatever but the big stuff once once that rough draft comes out. That's not changing so you can be pretty confident in reporting that absolutely makes total sense. I eat allow. I love to get a scoop on who the grizzlies are facing march eleventh a random day. No you don't according to sources sources. Say grizzlies hawks march eleventh. You'll may tell you i'm you just get two or three wreath. Grizzlies talks march eleventh. What are you talking about. That would be vince carter's farewell. Ah by the way this aside note. I didn't have this markdown covered. It's carter for three years absolute one hundred percent total professional one of my favorite hey guys i've ever covered in my life and even in i posted this. I took this morning in two thousand sixteen seventeen. I did this interview with him and it was almost like if this is the last year we're kind of talking about the within the context of who knows how many more years because that was the last of the three year deal that he had signed and since then he's gone on to play for the kings and now the hawks two different seasons he is going to end up at twenty two which is going to be the most of any player he will have appeared if he can make it to twenty twenty healthy and appear in a game he will have played in four decades which has never been done by any foreign cascades for decades and as someone who was around him daily for three years he is the absolute best veteran. You can have under teen. I think that's clearly why the hawks are doing this. He is at the arena before everybody in his working out and stretching and doing everything to get his body ready he after the game is doing stretching he will go and get workouts after the game. He is the best example for young players. You can possibly have not to mention his willingness alling nist to mentor them completely and this guy was top of the world at one point early in his career. He was the top vote getter under for the all star game beyond even michael jordan and that's when he's playing a toronto he was the biggest star you could possibly imagine and watching this whole second phase of his career has been truly incredible. He is an athletic freak of nature as we know but his <hes> there's a lot of veterans that are old sour. It's coming to the end resentful whatever it may be. He is the best i and you know what he's done that podcast for the ringer. Maybe him in anne and bays more. We could get him some road equipment. They can keep their podcast. Go ah yes perhaps owing or not sure have evan turner's doing his <hes> podcast but to me. I think evan turner needs his own. Show whether us with us or somebody evan turner needs his own show period. He should do it with the titus titus up for another one titus titus is just crapped all over him in his old book that he wrote don't put me in coach because he calls him the villain the whole book anybody at least if you donate title this book you should go back and read it. You will laugh out loud. God it is funnier than hell. Titus is one of the funniest people. I know that he wrote when he was at ohio state. It's hysterical the other other things that broke from the schedule that will get you real quick all right. We have the returns those were the ones are reported a here's what i'm gonna ask you. In this context on november fourteenth kristaps porzingis just to the knicks november twenty seventh anthony davis to the pelicans kyrie irving to boston of those three and mae and do we have to unbelievable markets in boston and new york doing the booming who gets it the most relentlessly who gets booed the most oh shortlisting porzingus davis kyri. Oh not davis just scratch for the list. No disrespect going in new york and boston just insane. I think it partially depends on how the respective teams are doing mid that season but i i would lean towards lean towards porzingis gets more booing really. I think it's kyri i really okay. I think kyra stuff thrown at him. Which is regrettable but i mean i think i think that's going to be the worst i do. I think kyri sorry in boston. I bet that's forty eight minutes like every time he touches the ball. They won't let up because they feel like he ruined something. Whether that's fair or not that they feel right and you never really had porzingas crap on new york right like the story was didn't even like it in boston and so he wasn't you know. I don't know i think the worst you know you're making a fair for hair then like with porzingas y'all size on played in a long time you too yeah right. It's not that he's out of sight out of mind that he didn't play at all. The eighteen nineteen season like harry just is so everything was kyrie's fresh in the minds signs of celtics fans. It was funny when they when they announced these quote returned. What made me laugh. Kev was you have porzingas anthony davis and kyrie which are all like oh that's going to be wild when those guys go back to their old teams and then the other ones that reported were going and playing against the raptors in december. You'll get a standing ovation complete standing ovation and russell westbrook going back to oklahoma city. He will get a hero's welcome and a standing ovation. I don't know about george going back to okay see i mean i think it's indifference right. Do you think oklahoma city fans are mad that paul george. I don't know maybe they are. He wasn't there long enough. I don't think so no and he asked for a trade but i don't know is it wasn't enough for it to cut to the core. You're like the other guys <hes> no no whereas i i do think koyi and russ will get massive ovations both of those so we got three that are going to get relentlessly booed and two that are gonna get heroes welcomes. I gotta take a quick break when we come back. We'll talk about n._b._a. Dot com all decade eighteen that they put out. Today's episode mismatches brought to you by google doesn't feel like most phone plans just weren't made with us in mind line between bad coverage paying too much data. You don't actually ever use in crazy roaming charges. Google fi is a phone plan by google made with features that people like you and i actually actually want features like free international roaming to you never have to worry about calling up your provider to let them know you're going to be traveling and three networks in one so you can stay connected. 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Blake griffin carmelo you know i think you could argue carmelo thirteen routine but i'm not about the flip out over a subjective list. <hes> third team wade kobe paul george lamarcus aldridge yana sensitive gupo kobi's the one that sticks out here chris kobe zone that sticks out. I'm stunned by this because he should be higher. No we should not be on it at all why this is not three slots expecting to be clean and seven all star teams. He was four time first team all n._b._a. Finals and finals m._v._p. In the decade koby had like three good seasons this decade seven time all star four time first team all n._b._a. He time defense three good seasons this decade three or four and he made seven all star teams effort counting cardi b. o. nine ten season which i believe they did. It's four. He had four good seasons this entire decade where he won because he won a ring. They wanna finals m._v._p. Within the day i'm ca- very confused about if they're counting twenty zero nine ten season whatever but i'm surprised kobe was on there like like some of the names that came to mind for me like when i'm thinking about the other great players this decade some guys were talking about earlier in the show klay thompson draymond green they both come to mind damian lillard kevin love marcus oil and then two hall of famers. Tim duncan and dirk nowitzki to me. Dunkin is somebody that would have put it on on this sosa kobe but yeah to be honest like it's whatever but i was a bit surprised because the first thing i said to me the first thing he stood out to me was the pitchers churches in the here's why first teen katy lebron all on different teams than even what they're pictured here. Okay okay second team carmelo. Anthony is retired and the other four guys are all on different teams third team kobe and wade or retired retired and paul george lamarcus aldridge are on different teams. Jaanus is is still on his team and the other two guys retired. I mean that's incredible. We we originated all decade team in like everybody's wearing a different uniform so theoretically these are all the best players by the way carmelo anthony you have no problem with carmelo wait did he being on the second team but you have a problem with kobe bryant being on the third yet because longevity matters of her naming all decade team kobe played three or four really really high level seasons carmelo. Anthony had like seven for the decade. He averaged twenty five five and five. He did that on the strength of three seasons. What if you're doing it all decade team. Yes it was like three or four really strong seasons seasons and then he played a season where he played six games a season where he played thirty five and then he had final season playing sixty six which is not a productive season. He was not good after the achilles injury. Sorry unfortunately that achilles injury really cut down the last couple of years of his year but really kobe's last great season or very good season was the twenty twelve thirteen season season so his early in the decade this the tremendous kobe bryant faded away and there's just a lot of great players as i mentioned draymond green eight a marcus all tim duncan who played longer into the decade or still playing today damian lillard klay thompson klay especially who has been one of the best two way wings and and the whole league for almost the entire decade and one of the greatest shooters of all time and a champion and all star in an all n._b._a. Player he has all those accolades glades as well so clay to me as one of the real snubs from this list tim duncan as well. If you're factoring in defense draymond up your factoring in defense. There's a handful four guys. I think should have made it over koby bryant but ultimately it's a subjective lists an ultimately like it really doesn't matter no no no but it's on it's on the strength. Thank you say like of those beginning of the decade but i mean those are like all n._b._a. First team years so i mean do you credit being being the absolute best guy or one of the best players in the entire league and winning. You know even if it's for a shorter amount of time if you're the vest guy or you're one of the top two or three guys in the league then you're winning serious what winning we talking about kobe kobe here. They won the title yes and o-9 ten right and the end you just tell me they included that. I don't know if they included no nine seven. I believe they did. Let's just say that in for the sake a conversation yes but then the lakers lost in the playoffs and the second round the following season's lost in the first round and twenty twelve thirteen and then over of kobe's last couple of seasons. They were dismal small winning twenty seven twenty one seventeen games so it's like yes. They had some winning early in the decade but there's been some teams have won the entire decade. I'm a little bit surprised you thought he it should be higher on the list. That's all just because if you are including nine ten. That's a finals win finals m._v._p. So you would koby analysts over over klay thompson. I mean klay chris vernon all decade team all decade team. You're putting him over on this list this. That haven't won anything ever like i mean again i care about. Are you putting him over marker soul. Yes i am fine with if if you did it for a short amount of time but you were the absolute best the best of the best even if it's for a short amount of time this is the the you know the sandy colfax thing right okay so he didn't. He didn't pitch as long as some other guys but he was absolute. Best guy for this amount of time what's interesting to me is carmelo anthony carmelo anthony's on that list what he time all n._b._a. I guess they list him at three three all n._b._a.'s. I don't know if any of those were first team all. N._b._a.'s carmelo can't get a job the damnedest thing you how about this one you know who might have a fight. You does have a fight in terms of that decade is dwight howard he does dwight howard was five time all n._b._a. Be a two-time defensive player of the year three times all defense three times rebound leader like. I don't think anybody's like i think this side of carmelo anthony people talking about how carmelo and like god. Can you believe how we talk about carmelo now. Has anybody career become more underappreciated appreciated. The dwight howard in that fair is any like you will get the years that that guy had and with the perception of him is just. It's like less than rock bottom. I mean he's not even he's not even on your buddy. Dan bailey texting me about this list yesterday and i had mentioned white howard to to him. I did not mentioned earlier because i do think some of those other guys that i listened earlier have had stronger longevity this decade into white <hes> but dwight is certainly something that could be arguable for that list and yes his career has been tainted after the past couple disastrous seasons for him but his peak at his peak hours hours those orlando teams with the four shooters around him he don't turkoglu or louis. Whatever iteration you wanna talk about jay radic. Those are some really tremendous dwight howard seasons. We saw fascinating to to look one of the things that stood out to me. When i looked at the leaders from the decade i was a little i mean maybe maybe maybe i shouldn't be but if you were going to like real off the top six scorers right so lebron durant harden westbrook curry. Nothing surprises you that right. Lamarcus aldridge was six in scoring and fifth in rebounding for the decade and that did stand out to me. There's another guy guy that may be when we take the whole some of his career and we go and look back. It's going to be more impressive than maybe we would say on the surface isn't that fair and i probably would have put him second team to be one of the six best scorers and one of the five best rebounders in terms of total <hes> the the other one that stood out to me and i went and looked this up because he was high on a couple of those lists de'andre jordan for this decade that they did that he would be number one in games number one and rebounds number one in field goal percentage number two in blocks see under appreciated for what he pulled off. I mean i don't know i. I don't think he's under appreciating deandre. Jordan was probably rightfully grated or appreciated in his prime years of the clippers a very good player a very a good defensive player who has declined in recent years and not the like pivot away from the past but with d._j. That's going to be one of the things that's really interesting for for him. This phase of his career now thirty one years old has nice contract with the nets in a winning situation now does he may be tap into some of the effort that we haven't really seen from him since his days with the clippers with blake and c. p. three i wonder how much of that he can get back at this point now in his thirties that he seemed seemed to have lost the last two years dallas in the knicks <hes> and then his last year of the clippers as well he seemed to have faded quite a lot but so how much of that was effort versus just diminished athleticism lettuces them so. I wonder if we'll get back to some of what we did see in his prime totally possible well. I'm glad you made all the kobe fans mad. I don't have to live amongst them you do. I mean kobe's unbelievable. It's just i don't think he belongs on an all decade team for the twenty attends down the street in l._a. Whatever man good luck all right last thing. I wanna lion king review so the lion king a couple of thoughts it is just incredible amazing technological achievements steve meant. I was watching the movie sitting there just an awe at the realism. It's the type of thing where it's like. There's certain moments in the movie you forget that these <unk> are not real lions and they are not real anything on the screen burs. They're all they're all. Fake reminded me reminded me. I remember like oh six or seven. My grandma was over. My parents house and i was playing madden and she she's like oh who's playing right now. It's like nobody so they don't want the t._v. Who's playing right now. Nobody play a video game. She's like oh. It looks so real now. The video game look so real and this is like oh six. Oh seven wait there was a there was a moment where you were in the theater. Yes and and you thought to yourself. I cannot believe that that is not a real lion talking. No i'm just saying it is and it made me think of a time. My grandma looked at madison. Oh six and was like this looks so so really like i can't tell the difference in fairness. You're probably at standard definition tv. I it's it's amazing how far this technology has come and that's that was my greatest takeaway. It's an amazing achievement in technology but we've already seen this planet the earth that just so happens. These animals were talking. I don't i don't find that the movie was necessary by any means that felt like a flex more than anything thing else so i if you're going to watch the lion king just watch the original rented. Watch the d._v._d. Or the v._h._s. whatever you guy don't while they're spending fifteen dollars dollars or whatever to see this new one unless like you wanna be amazed by you know the technology because the stories the same because you will catch yourself for a moment. If i'm gathering this review correctly there is a moment that will come where you will think a real wart hog and a real mere cat are singing a kuna matata that was probably i'll tell you why i think that's on the movie really turned on for me. That was the the best act of the movie when they came into the into the picture. Seth rogan was great. I i thought donald glover was really good. I'd already pissed off. Kobe fans earlier. I kinda regret saying this but i think beyond was the weakest weakest by far in the movie. She was not good at all. I i was sitting there thinking to myself. Boy what is what does this remind me of. She feels like she's just reading off the paper and it's like oh. I know l. jefferson an n._b._a. Two k. when algebra concerned the voiceovers i. I'm sorry i'm sorry beyond say is incredibly outed. She fantastic but as again kevin okay i i. She was the only one in the film where i'm like. I'm just having a hard time buying brian right here. I don't mind this lions. Real just slandered beyond the bay hive is all over us. Oh my goodness. Let me make this clear to all beyonce fans. My name is chris barn. I don't agree at all. I haven't even seen the new movie but i bet she's amazing and i would never compare bird out and i'll anyway thing i'll say another thing. Oh no salons knowles. Have you ever heard her music. Oh okay. Are you familiar with her at all you know. Are you familiar with stein osa lodges. Do you like her music. She's very talented okay. They also got a hell of a right hook our choosen- j. c. j. c. the elevator she i'll tell you this i will even if that wasn't a fan i tell you i was saying she could swing it. I was just going to take. I think her album when i get home released earlier this year is no china the kids not kissing up i'm of saying i've probably enjoy this album more than anything from either of their discography salon door beyond say eh i think when i get home is pretty tremendous album all right kevin beyond say ruin the lion king yep. That's what ruined she's very was. I was just enjoying the animals that he thought were real singing and then he made them think about al jefferson but nala is the one lion that i didn't think to myself itself. Wow this is a real lying by all the show is over. This show should have ended six minutes ago and i should have ended before the all decade team talk. That's going to do it for the rigorous. Show kevin talk to you next week. Call with moore movie reviews next week. Perhaps thanks everybody for listening to another episode of the program. 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