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"From new york this is democracy now getting back to go back whole. We don't get in the resistance to the military coup in verma continues despite a bloody crackdown. More than five hundred people have been killed during two months of protests including the deadliest day saturday alone when soldiers opened fire killing one hundred forty people including more children. We'll get an update from burmese student. Then today is international trans day. Visibility will look the wave of anti trans laws being enacted across the country the easy for transgender individuals to have the health care that they need which is what we want is gives a freedom of choice and service for those that might have a A conflict because of conscience to the very notion that transient vanity is going to be recognized. And one way that that is. Manifesting are in dozens of bills across the country that would banned trans young people from sports and health. Care for. We'll speak with trans activists chase strain. Gio and rock hell willis who say visibility alone will not keep transgender youth safe and we'll look at. How many states have excluded incarcerated people from light saving covid nineteen vaccines now. A new york. Judge has ruled. This is unfair and unjust for people held one of the largest correctional systems in the country. All that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I made me goodman the trial of former minneapolis. Police officer derek. Chauvin is entering its third day. Chauvin faces murder and manslaughter. Charges for killing. George floyd last may by kneeling on his neck for nine minutes and twenty nine seconds on tuesday jurors her chilling testimony from witnesses including darnell frazier. Who is just seventeen years old when you used her cell phone to film the killing of floyd her image was not broadcast on the court television feed because she was a minor at the time of his death. When i look at george floyd luke. My brother cousin uncle because they are all plaque. I have black brother have friends. And i look at that and i look at how that could have been one of them been nice. I stated apologizing for not doing more and these interacting in his life. It's not what absolute he's now eighteen year old daughter. Neyla frazier testifying at the trial of derek chauvin. Who she says should have saved. George floyd life the next martial artists donald williams who also witnessed floyd's death told prosecutor matthew frank. He called nine one one. After seeing chauvin put floyd and what williams had earlier called a blood choke at some point. Did you make a nine one one. Call that is correct Why did you do that. Because i believe i witness a murder and so are you felt the need to call the lawyers for officer. Derek chauvin attempted to counter the moving accounts by portraying the eye witnesses to george. Floyd death is being part of an angry mob but another one of the eye. Witnesses was an off duty firefighter. Emt genevieve hansen told prosecutor michael frank. She urged the police officers to check. George floyd pulses. He lay motionless on the ground. I also offered in my memory. I offered to walk. Walk them through it or them. If he doesn't have a pulse you need to start compressions and that wasn't done either. This are these things that you wanted to do. It would what. I would have done for anybody when you couldn't do that. How did that make you feel totally distress. Frustrated minneapolis fighter fire and ems genevieve. Hanson broke down in tears as she recalled. Seeing george floyd die and being prevented from helping him visit democracy now dot org to see all of our coverage on the police killing of george. Floyd brazil is facing mounting public health and political crisis on tuesday brazil recorded nearly thirty eight hundred new covid nineteen deaths its highest daily death toll yet. Meanwhile the heads of brazil's army navy and airforce all quit in an unprecedented move a day. After brazil's far-right presidential bolsonaro ousted his defense minister. As part of a broader cabinet shakeup developments. Have alarmed many in brazil. Who believed bolsonaro. Who is a former army. Captain will install ultra loyalist to the military post to consolidate his power at of next year's election when he's expected to be challenged by former president. Louis in osceola to silva the us covid nineteen death. Toll has topped five hundred fifty thousand by far the highest in the world. The true figure is likely far higher. A new study in american journal of public health suggests florida's undercounted. The number of cova deaths by thousands. This comes as arkansas has become the latest state to lift. Its statewide mask. Mandate ignoring calls by president biden for states to keep restrictions in places. Cova cases are rising and twenty six states in vaccine news. Pfizer has announced clinical trials. Show its covid. Nineteen vaccine is a hundred percent effective for youths between the ages of twelve and fifteen. Meanwhile the new york times has revealed. Nyu langone health. A major hospital system in new york city has set aside cova vaccine solely for employees of bloomberg. Which is run by the billionaire. Former mayor of new york mike bloomberg. The news comes just weeks after bloomberg philanthropies gave another part of nyu. That's new york university. A twenty five million dollar donation. In international news palestinian authorities have received one hundred thousand vaccine doses from china. In a boost to efforts to vaccinate the three million palestinians living in the west spank while vaccinated more than half of its population. It has largely refused to vaccinate palestinians. Except for some who work in israel. Or in the illegal settlements. The white house has unveiled a two trillion dollar jobs plan to help address the nation's deteriorating infrastructure it includes over six hundred fifty billion dollars for roads bridges railways and ports over three hundred billion dollars for housing infrastructure three hundred billion dollars for domestic manufacturing and billions for modernizing the electric power grid expanding broadband and eliminating lead pipes and drinking water systems to pay for the plan. President biden wants to increase the corporate tax rate from twenty one to twenty eight percent. Federal tax breaks for fossil fuel companies and crackdown on corporate tax attorney. Since a grand jury in texas is indicted. Two former police deputies on second degree manslaughter. Charges for killing javier ambler forty year. Old african american man. Ambler tasers to death in austin in march of two thousand and nineteen after being pulled over for not dimming his headlights for oncoming traffic as he was dying ambler said quote. I have congestive heart failure. And i can't breathe. Bail has been set at one hundred fifty thousand dollars for the two deputies. James johnson and zachary camden to police officers. The capital who were injured in the january six insurrection have sued former president trump for inciting and directing the right wing rioters. Meanwhile republicans are continuing to embrace backers of the violent insurrection. Videos emerged showing stewart roads. The founder of the far right group oath keepers spoken an official republican event in texas march. Twenty six in the border town of laredo. Other speakers at the event included texas republican party. Chairman alan west over a dozen members of the oath keepers have been charged with conspiracy for attacking the us capitol a warning to our audience. The following story includes graphic description video of a hate crime. new york. Police have arrested a man who viciously attacked a sixty five year old filipino. Woman near times square as she was walking to church on monday video footage shows the men kick the woman in her stomach and then repeatedly stomped on her face while reportedly laying anti asian slurs. The assailant walked away. Bystanders including security guards had luxury apartment. Building did nothing in response. New york mayor candidate entry yang condemned the attack and elderly asian woman. Walking the streets of hell's kitchen could easily then my mother because that's where we live And so when. I saw this video. That is who i thought of. My children are actually playing that playground across the street from that apartment building Regularly so seeing this happened in my neighborhood hit very close to home. Us attorney general merrick garland has ordered the justice department to conduct a thirty day review of what he called a disturbing trend of hate. Crimes targeting ericans in news from mali. United nations investigation has determined french warplanes bombed a wedding party in january killing nine thousand nine hundred civilians. The mass killing prompted protests and mali. Where france has deployed five thousand troops. France rejected the findings of the un report claiming all the victims were slavic militants. The biden administration's finally allowed some journalists inside a temporary customs and border protection jail in donna. Texas over forty one hundred asylum seekers including thirty four hundred unaccompanied children are being held at the site which has an official capacity of just two hundred fifty due to the pandemic children were seen crying as they lay on floor mats up being covered by foil blankets one. Cbs reporter counted six hundred fifteen children. In a plastic walled pod designed to hold just thirty two people. During the pandemic lawmakers in washington state have passed a bill banning four prophet prisons and immigrant detention facilities in a move that could result in the eventual shutdown of the northwest detention center in tacoma washington. Which is run by the geo group during the pandemic many asylum seekers imprisoned northwest launched several hunger strikes protesting the squalid dangerous conditions inside the ice jail. The bill now heads to governor jay inslee as desk. The new york state legislature has voted to legalize recreational marijuana for adults into expunge. The records of people previously convicted of possession of small amounts of marijuana governor. Andrew cuomo has vowed to sign the legislation. Florida republican congressman matt gates is facing a department of justice probe into whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws by having a sexual relationship with a seventeen year old paying for her to travel with him gates has denied the reports and claims. He's the victim of criminal. Extortion the probe grew out of an investigation of one of gates. His political allies joel greenberg who is indicted last year for sex trafficking of a child among other charges in two thousand nine hundred nine gates and greenberg visited the white house together. The expose was in the new york times and the notorious republican operative g. Gordon liddy has died at the age of ninety liddy spent four and a half years in jail for his role in the one thousand nine hundred seventy two break in of the democratic party national headquarters at the watergate complex which led to the downfall of richard nixon. He also wants admitted to making plans to kill. The investigative journalist. Jack anderson and romain chip fitzgerald has died in prison after being locked up for over fifty one years in california. He was the youngest imprisoned member of the black panther party for decades authorities in california who refused to grant him parole even after he had a stroke and was forced to use a wheelchair or walker. Chip fitzgerald was seventy one years old and those are some of the headlines assist democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm amy goodman in new york joined by democracy now co host one gonzales new brunswick new jersey high juan. Hi amy and welcome to our listeners. New viewers across the country and around the world. Well we begin. Today's show in burma. Where more than five hundred people have been killed. During protests against the february first military coup that toppled burma's democratically elected civilian government. At least one hundred forty. One people were killed on saturday alone in the bloodiest day. So far as soldiers opened fire on civilians demonstrating against military rule in dozens in cities and towns across the country. Children were among the dead including five year old boy. According to amnesty international and a thirteen year old girl on sunday burmese troops fired on a funeral service for twenty year. old student. Protester killed near the commercial capital rangoon. The attacks drew condemnation from the european union. United states uk germany with the u n special rapporteur for burma accusing the military regime of mass murder on tuesday. Us secretary of state. Tony blinken condemned the crackdown and called for international companies to consider cutting ties to enterprises that support burma's military. The people of burma are speaking clearly. They don't wanna live under military rule and that is evident from what we're seeing and hearing and witnessing and continue to call on the military regime to release all those people who've been unjustly detained stop its attacks on civil society members journalists labor unionists halt the killings by security forces and returned to power the democratically elected government. The united states is committed to working with its allies and partners to hold the perpetrators of these acts accountable. This comes as human rights. Activists are calling an international energy companies like chevron to withhold revenues from natural gas projects. They operate in burma from the hunter controlled government. Meanwhile an estimated three thousand people have fled southeastern burma into thailand. After the burmese military bombed areas controlled by the karen ethnic minority group. At least four hundred fifty nine people including at least thirty five children have been killed since the start of the protests according to rights groups burma is also known as myanmar military leaders changed the name to myanmar in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine after brutally. Suppressing a pro-democracy uprising. For more. we're joined by our and he is from rangoon. The former capital of burma formerly known that is now called yang-gon. He came to the us to attend college and a senior at the new york institute of technology. His recent for the colleges newspaper called the manhattan globe is headlined misogyny silenced. Feminism amplified welcome to democracy. Now it's great to have you with us. And first of all. I want to say you're incredibly brave to come on this broadcast to show your face and i'm wondering if you can talk about what's happening in your home country talk about your family and why you've chosen to do this first broadcast interview of your life. I'm so as we all know. On figure i the military took over as a coup in my country And ever since that it's been almost over two months now So many people have died so far like you said there's have there have been partnered fifty debts and that's just an estimate With a seven year old girl being one of the youngest victims of five year old boy recently And the situation by call does not seem to be getting any better. We have there. There's some days where like you know. People have a little more hope but they are most days. It's more gloomy Many of us abroad Were very worried about people back home. We wake up to more bad news every morning. More debts. It's just been chaotic. Everyone's really worried for my family Our families but My family calm. They're saying safe at home staying indoors during our best during the tough times. And i'm wondering if you could talk. You mentioned your family your parents themselves. Have they talked to you about their participation ago in in the nineteen eighties in the democracy movement. Then what's different about this movement versus the The up the uprising of of young people. Back then right. So my i know. I know that my parents had they were a part of the ninety eight revolution As people so many people Marched the streets back then They've told me stories about their crackdowns by ben but the thing is on the also said that the protests back then they lasted for only about two months because there was a huge miliket military crackdown. But the difference. Is that back then. They didn't have telecommunications and the internet like we do nowadays were also connected of. There's a lot of young people who are also technologically more on smart That are like now that we have a better sense of like sharing information on know what to do like if we're planning to do a certain protests today are happening unlike back then when they had no internet connections or phone calls so they had to just hide it homes and like surrendered to the coup. But what's different about this This time is we're also connected and everyone's very angry where gonna stop protesting. We're not gonna Submit to this military regime. It's time that the and step down. And i wanted to ask you a little bit in terms of the history of burma because the military has dominated the life of of the country ever since it became independent but it was for one hundred and twenty years. A colony of the british empire and the burmese army was in essence sort of create. Wasn't it during the japanese occupation during world war. Two by the the japanese fascists. I'm wondering what's the responsibility of countries like the uk and the rest of the world as you are battling to reestablish democracy right so the military edge very deep rooted in our history of like you said it was formed during the japanese takeover in our country back then and basically they rose into power when we Quote unquote won independence from a from the british So what happened was after we received a dependence of our of father of independence Will johnson he was assassinated and the country kind of went into turmoil. There was no rulers so the military stood up and like they took over and they have not like given back the power to the people sense So it's very deep-rooted and i believe that Countries like the united The united kingdom and like japan all these countries like They do have a sense. They do have a sense of responsibility to appoint that. Are you know this is a very deep rooted issue and they should be supporting the people In this modern world that we live in today your piece in the manhattan globe. The new york technology newspaper begins. I remember as a young boy sitting in restaurants and neighborhood teashops hearing sh- amongst the voices of conversations and the clinking chaos of spoons and ceramic cups when police or soldiers presence was detected. People would stop talking and try to ignore these men in uniform but the intimidated by them. Talk about growing up there and what your parents would say to you about what could be talked about. And now as you desperately tried to reach your parents on the phone Yes so. I grew up under the military regime Basically born into a and the world was just thinking about it. it was a scarier time But then as a kid. I didn't understand anything right because we will be out in public on. Everyone's scared of soldiers. I was just. I just thought soldiers to someone to be scared of on not loved or appreciated like in other countries like the united states. Where marines and soldiers are like you know like congratulated and like everyone is like everyone even when you see military bug marines on the streets people say. Thank you for your service. But that's not the experience that i had in my country instead we were taught to fear them Democracy is definitely not a word back. Then when i was growing up to be talked about dawn sensor g like we couldn't talk about her. We couldn't bring up her name anywhere in public because you never know who's listening Back then undercover cops were huge thing so even in lake teashops in restaurants getting breakfast. it's a huge. It's a huge culture my country to go to teashops in the morning to catch up and talk about the daily news and stuff so they purposely would place these undercover cops in these teashops and restaurants so that they can listen to the citizens conversations Prosecute them at will if they may Yeah so it was very interesting growing up experience. If i look back to it now you also write about. The women led revolution which i don't think people hear so much about in burma. You talked about dogs song. You talked about on sun. Suci who was detained by the military on february first at the time of the military coup but the significance of. Who's in the streets right now. Erin yeah so a few weeks ago. We had the two main revolution to main as like a salon or a skirt by traditional sarong one by the women of mar and Our country has deep-rooted like misogyny Just culture wise We have this idea called pony. Which is a the topic that i talked about in the second article that i wrote for school poem which is like it's the idea that men have higher aura or like physical just like look right Ben women so this idea had been ingrained in all of us But than this has nothing to do with religion or anything. It's just a cultural thing where we've been rates but with this revolution. A few weeks ago women stood up to the front lines and women have been standing up in this this revolution women have been on the front lines on. They've been showing men have been proving all these misogynistic men that they have the power they have like. They can do what these men are doing. and so they started going out on the protests that went out on the streets tied their sarongs to sticks and wave them. Slacks proudly up in the air They started tying the their loan. Jeez and their undergarments on the street. Polls because it's also a belief that Men are about to walk under underneath these skirts women's clothing items and stuff like that so these soldiers were actually hesitant to cross these lines because they were women's undergarments that were blocking away so they had to spend time taking them down which protesters time to run away from them. Hide from them So i'm just I just so happy with people's creativity. he's back home in the way with sweet protests. And how we do it so seamlessly peacefully an aaron about that issue of the a peaceful protests have long been a ethnic groups in different parts of the country that have resisted the the control of the central government and back into british colonial period the british actually pitted different ethnic groups within burma against each other. I'm wondering how use your sense. The the potential for these the armed groups of the the ethnic minorities to unite with the broader peaceful movement that has developed in the cities against the dictatorships correct Growing up We were all taught a we were all like the news media portrayed these ethnic on military groups as rebel groups right so until honestly up until the of the coup I also believe that to be true. I just thought that They had these rebel military groups Little did we know now that we're there speaking up about it on the now on there. Now we find out that this military like ethnic cleansing has been going on for way too long and the people of burma were unaware of it in the major cities but All they were trying to do is to protect their own people from the military And now all the So-called rebel groups but they are no longer rebel groups. They are fighting for us. They're fighting for the people of mir mar They have been joining together to form our military to serve under the crp. H which is the committee representing with. Look which is the democratic government. group that we the people of miramar elected in twenty twenty elections That happened over finally. Are you afraid for your family back in burma berry like i would. I would like to think that they'd be safe inside their own homes up until recently but just seeing videos and news of them just barging into people's houses with no respect for human life. It's just honestly like you'd never know what they will do. they're targeting any activists Any anyone honestly late who who would go into a house to murder seven year old child you know. Well i wanna thank you for being with us and for your bravery and speaking out burmese student. Who's come to the. Us for college is a senior. At the new york institute of technology we will link to your pieces in the manhattan globe among them misogyny silenced. Feminism amplified next up. Today is international trans day. Visibility will look at the wave of anti trans laws that are being enacted across the country. Stay with us here. Conman us with ma chong in so miss yang So far you faced and who am. They're being no to mom. Now by celeste. This is democracy now. Democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I mean goodman. Is we turn now to look at a wave of anti trans laws being enacted across the united states with dozens more anti trans bills making their way through state legislatures. this week. The arkansas senate approved one of the most harmful bands on access to healthcare for transgender youth. The measure would prohibit the use of gender affirming care including hormones in puberty blockers. Care that has been lifesaving unless republican governor ace hutchinson vetoes. The bill are console will become the first state to ban gender. Affirming care to trans-youth earlier. This month arkansas tennessee and mississippi enacted new laws aimed at banning trans athletes from joining sports teams in tennessee. The legislation forces trans students to show legal documents revealing the sex. They were assigned at birth in order to participate in middle and high school. Sports and in south dakota republican governor christie gnome issued two executive orders monday banning trans women and girls from playing school sports as attacks against the trans community intensify so has their resistance with trans-youth leading the fight against violence and discrimination trans seventh grader. Chris wilkinson who plays football for north middle school and harrisburg south dakota. His last score refused to let him. It's team because he's trans. Wilco said football has saved. His life did not exist. I don't think i would be here. Respect the person next to you in the person behind you just let them live their life the way they want to and makes them feel accepted. Because that's all anyone ever wants. Today is international trans day visibility which this year was marked with a week of action urging people to be active in the fight against antitrust legislation violence and discrimination joining us. Now a rocco willis activists award winning writer former executive editor of out magazine and former national organizer for transgender law center. And chase strange. You the deputy director for transgender justice with the lgbt an hiv project. Raquel and chase cole road. A new piece in the nation titled visibility alone will not keep transgender youth safe. We welcome you both packed a democracy. Now chase strange. Let's begin with you. Can you review for us. The laws that are being voted on a cross country store with the latest arkansas. We are truly witnessing and escalation of attacks on trans people. Unlike anything i've ever seen in government this week the arkansas senate passed. hp fifteen seventy a sweeping bill that would strip young people of healthcare that we know they need to survive. It is going to the governor's desk. We only have four more days for him to veto. This bill and young people and their families across arkansas are already planning for the worst. People are considering fleeing their homes. Having to relocate to other states. Young people are in sheer panic. We have to understand. This is medically supported care approved by every major medical association. That people need to stay well to stay alive and we were on the verge of having that stripped away from hundreds of people across the state of arkansas and unfortunately there are similar bills pending currently in alabama and tennessee part of this wave of anti trans legislation that started at the beginning of twenty twenty one and has escalated throughout the state legislative sessions and chase to. What do you attribute this sudden wave of legislation and all various states across the country. I mean you know. This year is particularly egregious and sweeping. But this is something that is been the culmination of work from an anti trans anti lgbtq lobby for the past at least seven years and of course we can trace this history going back much much longer we can look at the moral panic of anita bryant of phyllis schlafly and even just looking in one hundred years in the past and the ways in which colonial powers used regulation and control over upset bodies to exert power. So there's a long history here. I think what we're seeing today in state. Legislatures is a particular effort to pivot from the anti trans restroom bills into a new form of regulation of trans young people and trans bodies and they have seen an opening because they built alliances even with some people who consider themselves liberals and progressives who have either remained relatively complacent or who have joined forces and the attacks on trans young people. So right now. We're seeing an escalation in super majority republican legislatures where we are not countering that escalation with the appropriate level of resistance given the magnitude of harm that is going to result to bring into the conversation. Rocco you tweeted the quote. The gop continues to terrorize communities on the margins. All across this country. This is why we must come together on these fights as a black trans woman from georgia. It's not lost on me of these fights against people of color and lgbt lgbtq. Folks are connected. Can you elaborate on that absolutely. Yeah you know. i'm from georgia. And when i think about my life all of my identities have played a role in in the way that i've navigated society and of course the way that i have been made a target and so when i think about the recent passage of voter voter restriction back in Georgia i think about the wave and woods. It's all about policing communities of color and and that is completely tied to this fight and this onslaught against trans people. It's about policing our bodies right. And so this is about us interrogating what power looks like and how it is wielded within our society it makes absolutely no sense for these people to be trying to control the lives of vulnerable communities. And when i think about trans children is so horrible how they are being stripped of their childhood and not even look out the humans that they are. I wanted to ask chase about one of the. Aclu's clients dry a year would black trans student athlete. Andre is a recent high school graduate. Who ran on our schools. Girls track team. Let's go to her in her own words. One of the issues Our community is facing. It hasn't been facing for while is misinformation in general who we are in our community stands for in our community is and wanting to combat that is education more more education within our school system. So that people don't say oh that's a man or woman miss gender education very important in having to understand what we as a community. What gets you will stand for chase. Can you tell us about intra. Yeah so i just want to start by saying under a year. Would and terry miller too young trans athletes from connecticut to young black women who have endured so many attacks simply for existing and participating in school sports alongside their peers. As they have every right to do andrea is young person who graduated from high school. She was a track athlete. She trained every day for four hours. Worked so hard loved the sport. And how is she rewarded for that. She is the centerpiece of attack campaign with pieces on fox. News targeting her a lawsuit brought by alliance defending freedom on behalf of sis gender athletes trying to block her from running in her senior year which ultimately all of their senior seasons were cancelled because of covid but the lawsuit continues even though she has quit the sport altogether due to the ongoing harassment that she experienced the lawsuit is continuing because they are trying to strip her and terry of their past titles and any win that they have achieved. They're trying to get it. You raised from records even records that are hanging in their individual high schools. They have been the subject of so much misinformation and assault and claims that they have displaced this gender athletes when all they were doing was running consistent with their rights under state and federal law winning sometimes they lost this gender athletes. And i think an important clarification point here is that there are claims that gender athletes are going to be somehow displaced in scholarships by transgender athletes. No trent out. Transgender woman are athlete from high school has ever achieved or received athletic scholarship to compete in flex at the collegiate level. Because there is so much discrimination. Terry and andrea never once got a recruitment call even though all of this gender athletes who are trying to block them from participating are currently on athletic scholarship in division one schools. We have a serious conversation to have about. How much discrimination trans people are facing and yet they're still escalating attacks if you can also elaborate on that raquel and talk about the peace. The two of you co authored for the nation visibility alone will not keep transgender youth safe. What will rock cal. Yeah i mean. I think a big part of the work that safe and i have been partnering on over this last week. As we've expanded trans day visibility into trance week of visibility and action is really getting people to be about that action. And so that means we can't just rest on some of the social strides that we've made whether it's in hollywood or on different screens and these different sector. Those things are powerful and great and we definitely need to see more of our stories in media in the way but we also need to be using that action. Such chains are material reality and protect our right and so this week has rarely been for us all about getting people mobilize so that they can contact makers let them know that trans people have a whole group. Folks who support us are behind us who love us and wanted to see us. Safe and protected when i think about Trans you i think about two trans youth who actually really inspired me because of the way that their lives ended just a few years ago so within months of each other leila alcorn young trans girl and blake rocking sending young trans boy die by suicide right and we know based on the things that they said and the people who knew them and of course a suicide letter leila had published online after she pads is that they felt like they were not being supported that there was no future for them out openly trans youth. And i'm afraid that if we don't get involved and be active we're gonna see that trend continue and chase. Give us a quick shake on her. How you see the biden administration of the actions. It's taken on behalf of the trans community in three first three months of the presidency. I think we've seen some important federal executive actions coming down from this administration. And i hope to see way. More aggressive and robust actions from this administration enforcing federal civil rights laws. I also you know as we think about what today represents i also want to hold the fact that the law alone isn't isn't gonna save us that we are ultimately going to have to energize and mobilize and build power for our. If i think of the two things to central things for me as a trans person that saved my life or sports and health care and those are things that are being stripped away from our young people and yes we already have the legal rights. It's all of these bills are illegal. They violate title nine. They violate the constitution. But we need mass mobilization resources to our translate organizations and support for our communities materially beyond what visibility can afford. And even beyond what the law can afford chase. You spoke to joanna brand the mother of a fifteen year old trends boy ahead of arkansas state. Senate vote earlier this month. This is joanna speaking about the importance of gender. Affirming care for her son dylan today. After two years of therapy doctors visits and almost eighteen months gender affirming hormone therapy and don is happy. Healthy confident and hopeful for his future is outside now. Mattress deals on the inside and his support to other. Lgbt kids tramps Trans girls our girls in trans boys. Our boys denying access to gender affirming. Healthcare is denying the right to be themselves. My son will be devastated if he is forced to stop his hormone treatment. All of the progress that he has made all the plans to be able to graduate from high school and go off to college presenting outwardly. In the full expression of how does the insider would come to a screeching halt. It would be heartbreaking. Not only for him but for all the other trans youth in arkansas. That depend on this care chase strange you. It looks like the governor is going to sign this legislation. is that right. I am hopeful that we can mobilize for. Vito and i think everyone should take action. We have a few days. Tell him tell him to veto it because it will send a message to trans young people and even if he does be to it. It's a simple majority override in the state legislature so we are preparing litigation because we want trans people to know that we will defend their ability to access us life. Saving care through any possible tool that we have in our toolbox and your final comments on this day of trans visibility racquel willis. Yes i mean. I think that we have to continue to have a nuance discussion about what visibility mean there are so many great strides that come from it but it also makes our community more of a target and the other thing i wanna say is that it's important for us along with being in contact with lawmakers to make sure. We're supporting the organizers and organizations who are on the front lines and lift every day so donate support their work. And we'll continue to move. Forward racquel willis leading transgender activists We will link to your and chase strangers. Peace in the nation headline visibility alone will not keep transgender youth safe chase stranger deputy director for transgender justice with the aclu next up state so excluding incarcerated people from saving covid nineteen. Vaccines will look at. How a new york judge has ruled this unfair and unjust stay with us report. The theme song took threatening weather. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. If you'd like to get our daily digest the headlines of the day our stories and also news alerts you can sign up at democracy now dot org or text the word democracy now one word to six six eight six six. Well we end today's show. At how many states have excluded people hold in prisons and jails from lifesaving. Covid nineteen vaccine rollouts. Now in new york. Judge has ruled this as unjust and unfair for people held and one of the largest correctional systems in the country in a strongly worded decision. Monday new york state supreme court justice alison to it ordered the state to immediately vaccinate incarcerated people and said officials quote irrationally distinguish between incarcerated people and people living in every other type of adult congregate facility at great risk to incarcerated people's lives during this pandemic. This comes as people who work in. New york's prisons in jails became eligible to receive the vaccine in january justice to its decision also came as governor cuomo announced only yorkers over the age of thirty canal access. The vaccine she ruled incarcerated people. Even younger than thirty should also be offered the vaccinations now. The lawsuit was filed behalf of two people. Held a new york city's rikers island jail. Twenty four year. Old obama free us and fifty two year old charles holden who lives in a dorm with forty eight of fifty beds filled with the beds inches apart the complaint says he shares quote eating spaces. Toilets sinks showers televisions telephones and recreational spaces of other incarcerated. Men at mealtime eats a communal table surrounded by other incarcerated. People cannot wear masks while they eat in short quote every aspect of daily life is communal. He's not able to practice social distancing unquote currently about ten percent of people held at rikers have covid nineteen new york. Jails about thirty four thousand people only about thirteen hundred prisoners who were senior citizens or have pre existing conditions have already been fully vaccinated for more we go to sophie elisha the executive director of the alliance of families for justice which supports people impacted by the criminal justice system. She's also an attorney who's represented many political prisoners. Some of whom are now in their sixties seventies and eighties and contract covert. So feel we'll will come back to democracy. Now talk about the significance of this court. Ruling to its decision was extremely significant. Families advocates have been begging pleading and trying to prod department of corrections. Our community sue the vision and governor cuomo since the beginning of the pandemic to prioritize the health and safety of incarcerated people and all of our efforts seemed to have fallen on deaf ears. It's unfortunate that it took court intervention in order to make the state do what it's supposed to do and we applaud the courage of to it and issuing this very important decision. I'm wondering if you could talk about. The population and in new york state cleared the prison system of new york. State has had a sharp drop in the number of incarcerated people but also those incarcerated have grown increasingly having the the the The number or percentage of the inmates who are in the most vulnerable population yes. The median age of the prison population. Not only in new york but across the country has increased. that's due in part to harsh sentences have been handed down for decades in our country and in this state and the people who are incarcerated. Who are older are at greater risk and because of their health conditions so we have a virtual ticking time bomb with respect to the health of incarcerated people in older incarcerated people and he took a very long time for new york state to finally even offered testing to the incarcerated population. Any longer to offer vaccinations for the incarcerated population. I wanted to ask you about a bill. That was passed by the new york state. Lawmakers that would end the excessive use of solitary confinement governor. Cuomo has less than twenty four hours to sign the bill and the albany times union editorial of this week called for a halt to this prison torture. Could you talk about the prospects of the governor's signing this bill. We certainly support signing the bill. I think all informed advocates and well meaning people understand that the use of solitary confinement is torture. Shame that it's taken this long for this issue to rise to the level now where it's sitting on the governor's desk whether or not the governor is going to sign. It still remains to be seen. Certainly he ought to advocates gearing up to today to increase the pressure on him to sign. This bill doesn't sign. The bill is basically Signing off on an agreed to torture inside prisons and jails in the state on sufi elijah. I wanted to ask you about two people still in person mumia abu-jamal and the former member of the black panther party. Cindy atta coli. Who's now eighty four years old has been in prison new jersey for nearly half a century. Even though he's been eligible for parole for almost three decades he was denied. Parole again in february. In fact an appeals court said he should be freed. You've supported a coli for decades last year. He contracted covid nineteen and was hospitalized. He reportedly as early stage dementia. You think live long enough to appear before the parole board again and describe what could happen when his case is reviewed later this year by new jersey's supreme court and then talk about mumia abu-jamal and he also contracted Covid nineteen in a pennsylvania. Prison yes thank you cindy outta has been denied parole six times by the new jersey parole board each time. They claim that he's a risk to public safety. He's eighty four years old and in since nineteen seventy nine. He's been held in federal facilities and his last job in the federal facility where he's held now before the pandemic was to teach a course called avoiding criminal thinking which he was tapped to to teach by the bureau of prisons to incarcerated men so that they could avoid recidivism when he when they return to society so clearly he presents no risk in eighty four years old with dementia. It is. it's just unfounded. That they should continue to deny him. His current hit before the parole board which means how old he would have to be before he could return is ninety three and he is waiting now to see how much more time the parole board is going to tack onto that before he should be eligible to return to the parole so basically they are hoping and trying to make sure that he dies in prison. It's important to understand that in new jersey there is a presumption of a right to parole so when someone serves the minimum sentence than they should be eligible for parole unless they are disciplinary record indicates otherwise so the oughta has had a completely disciplined free record for the past twenty seven years so he's been more than eligible for release this fall. The new jersey supreme court will hear the appeal of his denial of his fourth appearance before the parole board and we are hopeful that this will be successful in the courts in new jersey and we just twenty seconds sophia. The latest. i'm amelia buccio. Who cova also contract. Covert nineteen inside the prison and it's a clear. Indication is talked about earlier about the lack of social distancing in the lack of adequate healthcare for incarcerated people an hoping pregnant when the a surprise so feel launch. I want to thank you so much for being with us. Executive director of the alliance of families for justice. That does it for show a very happy birthday to mike. Burke and a fun farewell to libby rainy our producer who have traveled all over from the firefighting prison prisoner prison camps in northern california to the border to those long train rides between washington. Dc at the last minute in new york and wherever a un climate summit is in the world your compassion. Your humor and your intelligence will be missed and fond farewell and best of luck in law. School i mean he goodman with juan gonzalez. Thanks so much for joining us.
What's Next For American Policing
"It's thursday april twenty. Second i'm akilah hughes. And i'm getting and this is what the day where we are wishing a happy birthday to those who celebrate. Yeah you don't have to celebrate the earth but we recommend you do today. I'm actually gonna celebrate sadder. I think that's really not right On today's show the latest is all about what's next the guilty verdicts for derek. Chauvin do not mean that america's closer to making the country safer for people who are black brown trans undocumented. Whatever identity that makes them they are but it did mean that. This one police officer will face punishment for his crimes and the news caused a wave of political tremors though for example attorney general maryland announced yesterday that the federal government will look into show vince former employer the minneapolis police department today. I am announcing that. The justice department has opened a civil investigation to determine whether the minneapolis police department engages in a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing. Yeah and it's possible that out of that. Investigation of the minneapolis. Police department could settle with the feds or enter into what is known as a quote unquote consent decree that forces the department to make strong changes in its use of force policies and that is on top of the doj current investigation into whether chauvin violated. George floyd civil rights for people trying to exist in their own neighborhoods. There's still a lot of mourning and sadness today. The funeral for dante right the twenty year old black man who was killed by a police officer during a traffic stop in the minneapolis suburb of brooklyn center. Then over in columbus ohio details are still coming out about what happened on tuesday in the police killing of sixteen year old mikhail bryant just minutes before the show in verdict was announced. Brian's mother said that her daughter was the one who called nine one one for help and yesterday police released the bodycam footage of the events as they unfolded in reaction. Hundreds of people staged a sit in at the ohio state university. So we'll continue to follow that story. Yeah it is painfully obvious. The issue of police brutality is bigger than the conviction of one officer for murder. So there's talk about the chauvin trial in the context of the greater effort to make police accountable rethink the role of police in society. Altogether we have with us jeremiah's lardy. He's a staff writer at the marshall projects and has been reporting about policing for years and following the trial since day. One two miles. Welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me back. So you've obviously been following the trial and the jury came back pretty quickly after. Just ten hours of deliberation So what did you think when you heard their guilty verdicts broadly speaking. I mean. I can't say. I was surprised i thought the prosecution Did a you know they. They dropped truckloads of context and experts. you know and i and i think they had what what some legal scholars have called. You know the mother of all evidence on their side. Which was that video of of George floyd's death. And i think maybe that was a little bit hyperbolic but at the end of the day when you look at their their closing arguments. Their closing arguments wasn't think about this expert that we showed you think about that expert. Think about this law that we you know. Read to you in great detail right there. Their argument was trust. Your is trust your gut. It looked bad because it was bad. It looked like a crime because it was a crime. So how uncommon is a conviction like this and you obviously mentioned The fact that there was video evidence that the world had seen so did it have to do with the attention on the case over all the evidence the prosecution or basically a combination of all of that. That's a good question. It's pretty uncommon for for use of force For an intentional use of force on the job. I don't have that number in front of me. i apologize. But i believe it's it's somewhere in the neighborhood of six or seven officers Dating back about ten years Maybe fifteen years actually. I think that number goes back to two thousand and five so Right it's extremely uncommon Generally speaking when police are prosecuted it is for disproportionately. it is for traffic accidents. Believe it or not that where they were doing something irresponsible while driving or sometimes police are convicted of crimes that maybe it happened with their service weapon but they weren't as a police officer at that time So there's there's a handful of convictions in those cases But it's it's exceedingly and vanishingly difficult to convict a police officer for an intentional use of force while on the job of doing of being a police officer and people were celebrating around the country after the verdict but we should check that emotion because when we last talked early march you said if chauvin was convicted. That doesn't mean justice. Let's take a listen. A single police officer being convicted. A police killing doesn't really set like it's it's happened before it happened in the walter. Scott case the officer. Michael slater was convicted by well. He accepted a plea deal On federal charges it didn't change the landscape It's happened before. In other cases it didn't change landscape. The overwhelming fact remains that the system as it's currently designed is not designed to hold police criminally accountable for killing people while on duty. So jim eyles. What would it take for the landscape to change here so i would say it depends what you're what you're looking for. I mean what we can say. Is that outside of the specific context of this trial. If we think about this as a post. George floyd moment You know over thirty states have passed More than one hundred and forty new police oversight and reform laws according to a an analysis at the new york times did over the weekend so You know sixteen of those were bills. That explicitly banned the kind of hold. That derek chauvin had george floyd in i leave it. I leave it to the listener. And i leave it to Citizens and people who are paying attention to this to decide whether or not that's enough right right and on the federal level the us justice department announced it is launching this broad investigation into minneapolis. pd including the policies and tactics that it uses. That's on top of the current doj investigation into whether derek chauvin violated. George floyd civil rights. What is this new signals to you. About how the white house's taking This issue of police accountability here. Yeah and not to be cynical. it doesn't signal a ton to me Or in the context of if you think about the biden administration or or the the biden justice department as somewhat of a continuation of the obama era justice department. You look at the work. They did in ferguson. With the ferguson report Work they did on other patterns and practices investigations into other police departments. I would say it's sort of roughly par for the course right. This is what A democrat democratic lead department of justice has done in response to high profile police violence since at least twenty fourteen right since then and then sort of going beyond this trial. A number of communities around the nation have tried making various steps. You're sort of alluding to this You know the police powers or at least. Make them more accountable. We were mentioning language in minnesota law. Were mentioning you. Know some of those other specific reform efforts around chokeholds. But can you tell us about some of the more ambitious efforts that we've seen here. Yeah but i think some of the more ambitious efforts you look to a place like colorado Where they've taken on this this question. What they did is they made it possible for citizens to sue an individual police officer for violating their civil rights under state law. You know a lot of city councils have tried things that are ambitious or have endeavoured to try things that are ambitious which is to say they pass things They've started things they've had the conversation and we have yet to see. The you know reap the the fruit from from the the sewing of those seeds. So i i think the jury kind of remains out like we don't know what the negative impact of all of these cities for example that are committing money to have civilian responders co responders go to certain Mental health calls or certain calls of people facing Une house people. You know different efforts like that. I think are ambitious and we just have to see where they wind up right. I mean the minneapolis city council was very ambitious. In essentially declaring it was going to dissolve its police department And that ambition was for not so. I think we have to. We have to keep watching before we can make conclusions about what all of that ambition will get us one other sort of important lesson among many in in all of this is sort of the role of bystanders particularly in actually monitoring police. I don't think that we would be in the situation if then seventeen year old daughter. Neyla frazier didn't film floyd's death share it with the world Correct the narrative. I told by police actually erase that narrative and replace it because that initial statement didn't tell us anything about what actually happened. so how important is it that bystanders. Keep records on police that go beyond their own reports and even their own by cameras. Yeah it's obviously invaluable in this case and has been invaluable and other cases again not not always in securing criminal conviction But even in cases where that didn't happen. Obviously we didn't have video of of michael brown But think about all of the cases in the aftermath of ferguson as this movement Was reborn and revitalized over and over again And revitalize feels like a such an unfortunate term to use when what we're talking about. Is you know. Black death but So many of these moments that captured national attention that galvanized people that pulled people off of the sidelines and in and pull them into this conversation Whether we're talking about fil casteel or Eric garner or walter scott. The the list goes on and on It's hard to a. it's it's a. i'm trying to do the counterfactual exercise in my head of thinking. If there had been videos of none of these how much of all of this would have happened in not happen. How much of this conversation would still have taken place and would not have taken place. And it's hard to imagine the world looking the way that it does now without the either the emotional resonance of people just seeing things sort of living in that moment living in that experience for themselves Or just having it as an as an evidentiary right as a strictly clinical matter too to rebut the narratives of law enforcement In between the between the value of those two. i think it's almost impossible to overstate. We'll miles thank you so much again for taking the time and being so generous with it We always appreciate talking to you. Thank you yes. It's a it's been a privilege thanks for having me. That was jemima's lardy of the marshall project talking about the derek chauvin trial. And what's next for american policing and that's really different. It's thursday wad squad and for today's tim check. Were going twice. As high as a butterfly. 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He will almost certainly be like most deserving of taking it over a fulltime like who else is a person that is like a purveyor of knowledge if not the host of reading rainbow. It seems perfect. Exactly i mean you know era. The other a-rod aaron rodgers was you know he was. Yeah fine but that's not. What the job is you know. You got to read with a certain level of condescension while also like having a bit of gravitas yourself. And i feel like alex. Trebek's that the continuing tradition would dictate that it's gotta be lavar. Yeah so you're feeling good about this. You like this totally. I think lavar burton has done so much for every culture. He's the best he. I don't know if you've seen him on community. But he's great accidentally terrorizing donald glover's character troy. It's a very very funny episode. But i just. I love him. I think he's so wonderful. And i think that you know the fans are right. The hundreds of thousands of people who came out of the woodwork. 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Best Of (Chris Broussard joins, Harden's injury, Tom Brady's baseball skills, Is Bill Walton overlooked?)
"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host jenny taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip shannon. Let's go the nba reenacted to the results of the derek. Chauvin trial like the rest of the world yesterday as the former minneapolis police officer was found guilty for his role in the death of george floyd last night. Many players and coaches like harry irving standing. Gundy use their platform yesterday to applaud the verdict and push for further actions against social injustice in our country. Lebron james had one simple tweet started trending online writing only counter ability sports nba. Christopher start is joining us now chris. What was your reaction to the verdict. Well obviously i was. I was pleased that they came to what i believe was clearly the obvious verdict and the fact that we weren't certain the fact that we were wondering there was a lot of consternation over whether or not this was going to be the verdict. I think shows that we're not where we need to be as a society. But i i was glad that they found him guilty of murder. Which is exactly what it was and we all saw it tv. I didn't celebrate Because the fact is of man who should be alive is dead now for no legitimate reason. George floyd should be walking the streets. He should be alive now and because of the racism of a of a police officer former police officer. He's dead so the hope. And i think this is what like with lebron posted accountability and a lot of people all of us in the black community. The hope is that this will serve as a deterrent to other police officers. That may be would have done something similar to this or would've thought they could get away with things like this and not just a deterrent to individuals. But really hopefully this will spark systemic change in law enforcement because way derek chauvin was looking when he had his knee or george floyd neck. He looked like he knew he was gonna get away with it like he could do this. And nobody was going to hold him accountable. And so hopefully this lease the some change and that type of thinking is also believed that the cops that watched chauvin do this. They need to be held accountable. And we'll see if that ends up happening but they violated the law enforcement oath of honor that they took they traded because they are supposed to hold not only themselves accountable for upholding justice. But they're supposed to hold their fellow officers to the same standard and. They didn't do that so they need to be held accountable as well. I i liked to address things here in from people that whether they disagree with the verdict or or whatever. But they're talking about well. What about all the the crime. Blacks killing blacks in chicago and other places throughout the country and look. I don't know one african american. Who is it concerned about. The homicide messiah rate in the black community. You can go into any black church or mass on a sunday on the weekend. A here preachers talking about what we need to do. Within our own community to improve our quality of life so the notion that blacks aren't concerned with what's going on within our own community is just blatantly false and people need to stop throwing it out because these are two separate us two completely separate issues as bad as it is for citizens to kill other citizens and that's horrible. It is far worse for a policeman who is paid to protect and serve american citizens to be killing unarmed citizens. And that's what. I'm tired of hearing that. Excuse from people that want to you disagree with this verdict or just draw attention away from police brutality. Because they're two separate issues and one is far worse because they're paid to protect and serve and then finally. I think i hear from some well. This wasn't raised based. And and i just say look to some whites. I hate to say that way but they they're burden of proof for them. When it comes to racism they have a burden of proof that is way beyond reasonable. Doubt i mean they would have had to hear derek chauvin. Look in the camera and say. I'm doing this because he's black for them to believe it was race based and you could go back to slavery and jim crow and see the same thing set many white saying. Hey there's no racism. There's no racism here and so let's just start calling things like they are because that's the first step to really make a real change. Agree with everything that you say. Chris this is really not even an abate here. for me. I believe there are two separate issues and we can do both things. We can get systemic racism when you do something we're police reform and we can also do something to address the the killing of the black community. Those are two separate issue that we both be that can both be addressed. I like you did not celebrate. Because but i felt that as kind of like watching the oj. And chris. you're old enough to remember that. I know you sitting around like eighty five. Ninety million americans sitting around watching waiting for that verdict. Become but like you said. This was different for me. I'm like the jury saw. We saw a man. Kneeled another man's neck and the problem position for ten minutes. And every all the top pathologists in the world. Pulmonologist said he was there for three or four minutes in his neck and even the fellow officers said we should turn them on a side. We don't keep him right here. Even the emt arrive he was dylan. The mayor's name clogged i applaud. You for doing the right thing is like zone was that you may. I went to the bar last. Had a couple of drinks. And i called me uber. That's what you shouldn't do it. That's what the jury should have done but the mere fact that we needed to applaud in some needed to applause the jury doing the right thing. This absurd chris. You mentioned reasonable doubt for it needs to be all doubt thome. You know this was well. What if he was three. He felt threatened from the crowd. The man had his hands in his pocket. If you've ever been in a fight you feel threatened. Do not keep your hands in your pocket. This little anomaly. Chris is this an anomaly. Is this one because walter. Scott didn't happen sandra. Bland alton sterling. Eric gardner tamir rice. That didn't let nothing happen can steal. Nothing happened so is this a one time or is this the start of a great change in which the system will be taken apart. Police will be held accountable qualified. Immunity be done away with and we expect wholesale changes from top to bottom. If this change was george floyd having to give his life sacrifices life for the greater cause for me when i look at it joined florence family. We can't give him back to you. Article has gone a brother gone and we can't bring that back but maybe a little relief from knowing the man that was possible for taking george floyd light got his got what he justly deserved which is guilty guilty guilty and he will pay. Because a lot of people eric garner family didn't get that on starlings family didn't get that walter scott family didn't get that they got some level of accountability and hopefully it makes a little easier done than a race. It doesn't take it away. But i'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. Chris that this is the change that we need a lord knows. We need age so i would like to thank both the view for what you just said. And everything you've said when it comes to racial relations here on undisputed. I've learned a lot from both of view. And i just appreciate sort of getting to sit between the two of you and here you go back and forth about this. Maybe i was wearing my rose colored glasses yesterday which i rarely seem to wear but my two cents from my side of the table on what happened yesterday was i do believe it was a milestone moment because to both of your points. The obvious happened. That had never happened before brick. That's it it was so obvious. The first shannon. I talked about this incident in minneapolis on this show. I just flat out plunged and called it cold blooded murder in broad daylight committed by cop. Who reeked of smug arrogance of invincibility with one hand in his pocket. Their chauvin basically saying to the world into those videotaping incident. I am above the law. Because i am the law. Yesterday the jury said wrong yesterday. All three counts came back guilt. Kill d guilty. It was so blatantly foregone conclusion obvious to me and yet it had never been obvious before. Okay so i would like to think to chris's point that a resounding message sent from cd shining sea to all those potentially racist trigger. Happy cops out there. This will no longer be tolerated. You can go to prison. I think for life right. We're thinking forty maybe fifty years and for the first time in the history of race relations in this country. A message got sent that the white cop can't get away with this anymore. And i would like to also think so. Many prominent voices in the sports world starting with lebron james and then ending with colin kaepernick for their parts that they played in influencing that jury just to do a very simple right thing which is to bring back fairly quickly guilty. Verdicts thank you. Lebron and especially thank you colin because colin basically professionally died for this cause because he gave up his ability to play quarterback in the national football league to make a statement of he will no longer stand for this. He's going to kneel for the and it started a groundswell. it helped fuel. The black lives matter movement to a point that i do believe in. This is my two cents from across the table very unscientific. I believe much of white. America is much more receptive to your plight in your 'cause now than they ever were before. That's just my t now. We're that we're that goes. How that manifests itself systemically. No i just think we've hit a turning point in this country may be a watershed moment in which a lot of white people or at least awakened to what's happening. Chris do you remember sitting by. I remember watching waiting for the writing. The king and i already know they they guilty. We just saw. They beat the man for ten minutes. That was clearly excessive fourth. That was clearly a society word for cops. Yeah all acquitted grip aloha. They know they're going me and my boss. We we talked about so yeah. They go to a jury america. You see that tape and not. We'll say that's excessive force thirty years ago when you hear you back not guilty. Not guilty not guilty. I'm like what so the question chris. You and i both know what happened if this lady. This young seventeen year old daughter. Neyla frazier if she does not feel this. Derek chauvin still has his job. Dairy show is still in position to terrorize more. People minority people because he had several instances reports of a fifth and he was still so without this because he didn't put what he did in a statement. He said he got resist. Arrest anyhow medical episode. No weapon whose form where the weapon was your knee. He mentioned that he had the guy in a prone position. He didn't have meal may have make for ten minutes. He mentioned none of that and without the tape gift which is have to say everything said fifty seventy years before he had a medical condition. You take the police off. You know. And i know chris when you go into a courtroom next to the judge. The police officer has the most credibility everybody would have believed derek. Chauvin this man. He resisted arrest. He had a medical emergency because he had amphetamines. And he has some drug dealers system. But no you can't say well. What happened was he wouldn't healthy. Basically they tried to say george floor with not healthy he had been healthier. He could hailed breath for ten minutes. The path donald just said even a dog could have held his breath for this loan. I totally agree shannon. I mean look. I've always said since we've been starting to see all these murders and killings on camera that i've read this is this is happening even less than it used to happen. It's just now thankfully everybody's got a camera and so now we're seeing it but to your point in the past how many false reports have been out there and you just had to accept what the police officer said that. He resisted arrest. He pulled a gun on me. He had a knife whatever it was and this is actually what really happened. I wanna address it with the athletes. Because i agree skip we have to. I want to salute the athletes in audit various leagues for keeping this front and center. And atla i believe black athletes and all other athletes have other races who've also limited their voice which is great but i believe black athletes are arguably the most powerful voice in the black community to the main street society and i hate to say this because it is not a it doesn't speak well of our country but i fully believe that if african americans were not such great athletes and not such dominant athletes in america that i don't think we as as a people would be as except within american society as we are today i really don't i think that our greatness is sports as endeared us too much of white america to a degree and that is eased race relations to the degree that they're eased at this point. So i i think our athletes need to keep speaking up. Don't just relaxed because of this verdict. Obviously there systemic change. That needs to be made and they are the voices that people listen to their irreplaceable shannon. Sharpe was air replaceable as tight end when he later fell as lebron james. Russell wilson pat. Mahal's they're irreplaceable. And so they have a voice and they have leverage that other african americans who can't run four four forty who can't dunk a basketball don't have so they need to keep foot on the pedal your boy. Well chris. thank you for joining us. And i agree. Boy i will and always will respect lebron james for his voice but so many athletes and just his ability to not only speak up but then just to be the athlete his i just echo his words accountability. And it's emotional. it's it's still community in minneapolis. That's hurting that. Needs our support and i am praying that this verdict will help create change. And i'm praying for george floyd family as well today so chris. Thank you for joining us. We're gonna shift gears meeting the pelicans last night. The nets still got some bad news. Deal with james harden had a setback on his hamstring recovery. And the team announced that he'd be out indefinitely. Brooklyn head coach steve. Nash was equal parts. Frustrated and understanding thing. The process was quote back to square one. We have him and get him back whenever we can. And who knows when that will be. Hopefully that comes sooner than later. But there's no guarantee so shannon. How big of a blow is this for. The nuts is a huge low It's a big deal. Bear very big deal because you know the playoffs before round scale and you know a hamstring. You know how they are. They're so tricky they feel great one day. You might go to three days. They feel great. And you make deadly sudden movement the sun start stop and it grabs and you and i both know normally play hamstring grabbing the playoffs as magic as scott them when they played the pistol that lasts. I was derek throat my aunts and said well that's the end of that deal. Came all the way to detroit for this that you would always bet look. We know they're healthy. They're going to be a tough out because they got three guys on a given night either one can get to fifty and two or three can get your thirty five at all. Three of them can get your twenty five plus. It makes it night miserable. And then when they're driving and doing what they're doing they can kick the habit they can kick joe harris. Yeah they got other guys that can make you pay for try the double them but this is this is huge and what we're seeing if because the season was so condensed you plan so many games in the body doesn't get a chance to recover. Think about it hard. Katie dame quiet. Brian eighty yards. Have all missed the -nificant time. But you know this was going to happen. Skip that fast turnaround condensing the season guys. Playing thirty forty go double overtime. You go play forty five forty seven minutes in this is what you get but this is a big deal. This is a big deal because not only is hard. He might not be back. Skipped until the start of the play offs k. d. we don't know katie katie half drain. That kept him about two months. And now you gotta buy contusion so he might be out for another week or two. They're not out of the eastwood. Just carry has been sensational. Bakari can't get them pass fairly. He can't get them pass milwaukee by himself. They need these guys. are you sure. There's not a little wishful thinking operating under your service. I want everybody. I hate when guys get hurt. And you like. What would have happened k. d. achilles klay thompson neat skill. What would have happened. Do we believe to will really beaten golden state and katie's healthy. I don't like i don't like i like to have answers. Everybody played everybody that their best. That team won four games. Your team did without james harden and if he's if he's going to be able to go one hundred percent with a hamstring. Because okay usually i would go along with you on big deal but in this crazy season yet. Another pandemic impacted season. It is not a big deal to me because everybody is is wracked by pandemic issues related to pandemic because the season got squeezed by determine who went to tight on who will be. That's from the injury. God's i don't know. But i get you about hamstrings i hate. I hate all this. I don't like to talk about it. I don't i'm going to knock on my would over here. I don't like to wish this upon anybody because when the words are spoken they somehow get spoken to exist right. I don't wanna see anymore injuries. I've tried to watch the clippers at portland last night and i sat back after a couple of minutes. And i said no no baka notre dame no nurkic. What am i supposed to make ability. Am i supposed to read into the outcome of this game. Paul george was sensational down the stretch ok and it meant it just meant that they won another game in state afloat up there near the top of the west right the nets. Am i going into write them off because of this. No i'm not because they are thirty nine and nineteen and i don't know how they're thirty nine in one thousand nine hundred. That's a deep basketball team. And they're a half game back of philly for the top. The east will. I'm not going to be surprised if they wind up number one in these things like the number one overall seed will that matter will not not if they don't have to their exactly but if they do have to three i'm not gonna write that right and when they have had three of three it's only been seven games. They've been sensational. That we have never ever seen this kind of three man firepower on one basket and we've also never seen a better fit of three manned firepower because it is all piece of love. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But i can read body language on the court. They are really having fun playing together and they fit because kevin is not dominating ego he does not need the basketball score his thirty. He is efficient a score as you will ever see. Just give him and sixteen shots and he'll get you thirty point right and high read you mentioned earlier. Show he was just special last night. Down the stretch. You won't talk about clutch. He just get out of my way. I got this against a loaded team. That's playing blow. It's what should it was at new orleans inquiry. Said i got it. James on many given nights just said i got it right. Kevin comes back and all he does is make shots when he came back the other night when he took the knee in the thi- it just made three out of his verse. three shots. Right you what's not to love about this team. Even if they get lucious do this. What if they play no more games together and whatever game number one of the planet's is is the the next time those three play together but they're healthy. What if they're if they're healthy. You better look out. Oh yeah. Because i'm not sure they need any more repetitions. I just don't know if they do. I think the biggest thing is that. If you get the once the you going to avoid milwaukee the second round and so i think that's what they really want in that way you deal with philly because it's going to be and that's that's the thing but you mentioned held we didn't i forgot embiid. Embiid missed eighteen games with an injury. Kept this situation where whomever the hill is. Joel's always got something. Not an injury right okay. And am i. sure about lebron's health gonna knock on wood for it. I'm not sure about it. i'm not sure about. I'm less sure about than. I am about lebron but if you tell me both are healthy all the way you got a great shot absolu- okay am. I sure about quite coming back full strength. Know what's going on what they missed like eighteen with a back injury. Well how about back injuries. Sometimes i think i would. I would qualify back injuries more serious than hamstring. You a move that back his back to you. You know you drag it around that last. What am i supposed to do with all this right. And i can understand you. It's kim these stars star there by the on with an all star was an all star all star the only really the only superstar that hasn't missed the game if yoke everybody has ms games and now he doesn't have his running. You do all murray. Yeah so yes qb because injury and they thought he was back. I mean so. They gave him two weeks and then he had a setback on his comeback. So now he down another you know where they got thirteen. Fourteen games left so we look at at another three weeks until the season so he might not be back into the play offs. How do you. How do you condition a remember. I thought that was a problem. Because i thought james harden come into condition that he needed to but when you play playing forty five minutes or we'll give them credit man. He played all those minutes because he was leading. Mba minimum played. He was he was balling fat seriously. Yes he's got a little punch bala running up down the floor like he can run all night. yes i think. He was born conditions as injuries. We do not need any more. I like what you say skip. We're talking about it. We don't want to speak into existence. I'm gonna knock on some more water around us. We don't need anymore. The recent interview hall of fame pitcher pedro martinez spoke last time. He threw batting practice. Tom brady saying that. Tb twelve had a good swing and was obviously a real athletes. Brady and martinez were nearly teammates as the goat quarterback was actually drafted by expos. And the nine hundred. Mlb draft patriots still played for montreal. But seven super bowls later. Yes seven it looks like brady does the right sport in the end so how far could have gone if he chose baseball over football as far as you go high school stop did right thing really get stop. We need to stop this. Stop this. I think we need to start. So let me get this straight if i go there right now and i make shooting threes and i make six of them. I guess i could have made it to the nba. So if i go out there and impact mahone throw me five or six average got five of six passes and he catches all he could've played the nfl. We gotta stop this notion skip just because somebody hit a baseball in a batting cage. That doesn't mean they could've played at the highest level. Now you told me in many people have told me the hardest thing to do is to hit a baseball. Yup but tom brady at batty practice. The five hundred and seven pig eighteenth around 'cause disrespect to the guy the actually make it to play a particular sport. I've seen guys i know guys that have actually play both and no time per diaz about knowing personally noble little bit been around a little bit leave all he could have done that but skip the you understand this ill level it. Which player has to hail to be able to be a professional not only football but to be professional now calamari about it could have been on it but caliber play baseball. He kept playing baseball's he played baseball from high school player. Getting college as pick in the draft. Okay i got to say you know. What if i had given us some seared football down. I believe caliber could could have done it. But to say a guy that because he hit a home run or hit batting practice. Nah i'm not. I'm not going there. I refused to. I think you're missing the boat on this one. When i saw that video yesterday. I will qualify myself. I started covering baseball. Covered the yankees for the miami herald in spring training. Back in seventy five ish. And then i came out here to the la times started covering the dodgers. Garvey say lopes dodgers wanted the world series of seventy six. And so i got a pretty good idea what a baseball swing would look like on the big league level. And that's a big league swing to me. So i called up the story last night because i wasn't sure exactly what happened to tom. He played sarah high school in san mateo. We're barry bonds. Went bobby bonds son and read a story from kevin malone who in nineteen ninety five was the general manager of the montreal. Expos who says that. He made the trip to the west coast to when Montreal played at san francisco just so he could go to san mateo and tried to confirm what his scout in the. Eric kept telling him was. There is a big league catcher. Waiting in san mateo. And we've got to take him. That was thomas. Edward patrick brady junior. So he checked him out and he brought him out to a pre-game just to take some bp with the big league club and to take some infield with the big league club and this kevin alone goes on and on about he turned heads with powerful throws from home plate and natural swing that crush balls into the bay area sky. And here's the quote from kevin malone. He had a chance to be a major league all star catcher at six feet four inches in two hundred and twenty pounds so the reason he fell to the eighteenth round was because they talked to tom and his father and they said no. We're going to michigan to play football. And they tried to talk him out of it so that nobody thought he was going to play baseball that he was going to pursue football so nobody drafted him very high so they took a flyer on the eighteenth round and then they went back to tom and his father and offer him a second round contract. It was four hundred grand at that time and ninety five is running and try again to to turn his head with the the bonuses. They're going to pay him and it didn't work because you know. He was committed to playing football at michigan. My point is there's more athletic ability going on here. I don't even know if you consider baseball and athletic game. Maybe it's more of a hand. I been but but whatever that thing is that allows you to make contact with a baseball. That's traveling ninety five miles an hour. It's a pretty special thing. Your point is hard to find. And i believe he had it and they believed at that point that he had it. And i think you're underestimating. Just how like his high school coach coaches quoted in this article is saying he could catch and throw. He received the ball. As as well as anyone i've ever had. He's a legendary coach at at serra high school said i thought he was going to be amazing in major league baseball. So that's the guy that they saw at aj skimmer everybody of great at high school. All american and track a great basketball player doesn't mean i could have been on the olympics. That doesn't mean that could have made it to the nba. I think you're underestimate. I just saw that swing. I said that's a natural swing saw. Jj watt hit. What so gift. Jj watt made it today in the mlb. j wouldn't hit many may park okay. But but he muscled it out. Ok i saw. Del hit one out here and i said that's a swing so he believe you would add a chance that he had pursued it. But i definitely believe you're once again. Underestimating brady baseball hard there. A guy can make a guy that did this like i said. He stopped his stop this disrespectful to the guy that actually make sports to make it to a professional level in particular for another guy that just to say well. I could've done that. You've always doubted tom. Brady's overall athletic. Now you're doing it again. No no no no skip every. There's a reason why he chose football. He chose football because he knew that was his best. Now we loved it. Yeah yeah get a a lotta guys playing football and chose baseball some guys you know. Play football matt barth. Actually football with good at chose basketball. I beg everybody that played a particular sport made the right decision. How many of mlb teams take a look at high school kid and says he added a chance to be a major league. All star catcher guy held a lot of them because they jeff these guys they go to the modern and they never leave. So how does that work out for special athlete. Very very very mercy yesterday. While we discussed steph curry's all-time rank among and gave players skip name. Several players he would take ahead of the two time. Mvp but the one that got a lot of attention online was hall of famer the wall so this was trending on twitter all afternoon yesterday. So skip the floor is yours. Thank you very much i would take. Bill walton in playoff games in a heartbeat over. What i have not seen from steph curry which is very uncluttered games. Five six seven two thousand sixteen. I dare you to go read the box scores. And tell me what you see. The crucial turning points game. Four in game six at oracle in two thousand hundred finals. See what you don't see from steph. Now let's see what we see from. Bill walton. I'm sure a lot of the younger people. And you're old enough to know what i'm talking about here. They see bill as this grateful. Dead and tie-dyed sixty shirts. Who has turned into this goofball commentator who is liable to blurred out anything any moment on national two. Am i right about that. The bill nye closely observed at ucla with the portland. Trailblazers was the flip side of that in fact because he had a stuttering problem he barely even spoke to the media he was seen as this glowering menacing presence who played with supreme edge and he dominated college basketball and professional basketball until his feet sailed because fairly quickly his both his feet just gave out underneath me at one injury after another but when he was right he was much wider than steph has ever been in the postseason cases in point national championship. Game one thousand nine hundred seventy three for the ucla bruins against memphis state built scored forty four points on twenty one of twenty two shots. Twenty one of twenty two. Because he was a seven footer who was as light on his feet. As any seven. Hundred or i have ever witnessed. It doesn't matter white black you name it. Bill walton was it. He was an agile gazelle. He was the greatest passing big. Man i have ever seen any played on a pogo stick. He was such a quick jumper and could block shots and rim protect like nobody. This side of kareem abdul-jabbar and the point was in portland. They played the sixers of dr j. in the finals. I don't know if this before you're tired. Okay this is dr j. This is george. Mcginnis doug collins obviously had fame on television thereafter henry. Bibby this world be free. This was kobe's father who joe kelley been bryant and this was darryl dawkins nickname chocolate thunder. That's what he was up against in the closeout game six in that series in which he was the finals. Mvp bill walton went for twenty points. Twenty three rebounds seven assists and eight blocks of that lineups. Featuring dr jay's allstars are you kidding me and he turned that right around the next year and winning the regular season and was the mvp of the nba. I'm sorry that guy who played with that edge who was complete slip side of the guy you see on tv. I'm taking him over steph curry any day or night in the postseason you do realize that Ucla is not the nba. So i'm just going to discount that okay but it was. It was the all time great finals. Perform an historic heels. Historically great college player. Skip you do realize and seventy seven. He finished second in mvp. He won the finals. They the finals. Mvp he's also come back. The next year he won. The regular season be played fifty eight of a pie. If i'm not mistaken possible. Eighty to ball games. But did you know over the next. The next four seasons he played a total of fourteen game which is feet failed and fell completely apart so still has three titles to build one step has to. Mvp's to bill and bill only went the two all star game steph. The six six time all nba player seven-time all-star the greatest shooter ever live. Who'd you take one game playoff life. Who would you take. Bill walton or steph curry. I got bill. Beat your butt all day and all night. But you can't stop ed. Who is the better player steph curry. They much better player. The postseason and i haven't seen excuse me no final. Vp impel saver. He was great one. Paul season and seventy seven. You do realize he played like thirteen years. I saw it. And i saw him turn it right around into a regular season. Mvp you can't what was he. More dominate the dominant in his time than steph. I'm yes he was. Stop steph is about oohs and ahs and distant shooting and he has revolutionized the game as distance shooter but when it comes to the postseason goal at his three point numbers games. Five six and seven. You benefited his ended you a championship. You lebron on a silver platter. Because he stunk it up for three straight games. What happened the year. Seventy eight he won the mvp the regular season. They did have seventy eight finals that year. What happened why would he a participant is her. I told you it's feet failed him. It was tragic. It was sad. Ask bill still hasn't been hurt steph. Ankle ankle injury they corrected it yeah they got embraces that he still wears that works killed. I don't know how on god's green earth you can make a case that bill won't who basically had to healthy seasons is better than steph figuring out answering my question at his apex who is better dalton or steph curry at their best. His apex only lasted three hundred. Sixty five days. We'll use the finals. Mvp and the regular season vp. He showed you. He showed what he was doing in college. Basketball just torn apart limb and that was in the years when people stayed for four. Have ever been a guy that went regular season and finals. Mvp in the same season. Lebron has done it twice. Michael jordan done it several times they were talking about the has there ever been a unanimous. Mvp in league history. The one guy. Who then i'll kick your behind. No you weren't.
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"From new york this is democracy. Now guilty guilty guilty former minneapolis. Police officer derek. Chauvin has been convicted of all charges of murdering. George floyd we the jury in the above entitled manner as to count one unintentional second degree murder committing a felony. Find the defendant guilty derek. Chauvin is the first wight minnesota police officer ever to be convicted of killing a black person. George floyd family is vowing to keep fighting for racial justice because it seemed like this is a level. You this cycle riverdell. We told me we gotta keep fighting for fight every day because i'm not by jaws anymore on fighting put everybody around world. We'll go to minneapolis to speak with candace. Montgomery of the black visions collective plus harvard professor. Khalil gibran muhammed author of the condemnation of blackness race crime and the making of modern america. All that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now. Now dot org the quarantine report. I made me goodman guilty three weeks after the start of a trial that was watched around the world a jury of twelve hennepin county residents delivered. Their verdict on the three counts against former police officer. Derek chauvin who murdered george floyd last bay by kneeling on his neck for nine and a half minutes judge. Peter kay hill read the unanimous verdict. We the jury in the above entitled manner as to count one unintentional second degree murder while committing a felony. Find the defendant guilty we. The during the entail matter as to count to third degree murder perpetrating and eminently dangerous. Act find the defendant guilty we. The jury in the above entitled mannerist count three second degree manslaughter culpable negligence creating an unreasonable risk. Find the defendant. Guilty jurors deliberated for just over ten hours before delivering their guilty verdicts. Judge k hill revoke. Show wtn's bail and sentenced him an eight weeks. He faces up to forty years in prison for the most serious charge. Second degree murder. It's the first time a white officer has been found guilty of murdering a person of color in minnesota in. Npr investigation found police. Officers have shot and killed at least two hundred thirty five black men and women across the united states since two thousand fifteen at least three quarters of those officers were white on the streets of minneapolis and around the country. Protesters greeted the news with joy relief and vows to keep fighting. George floyd murder. Last may set a global movement for racial and against police brutality. George floyd brother voluminous. Floyd responded to the verdict at a news conference with other family members and civil rights leaders. I'ma put up a fight every day. Because i'm not as fighting for josh anymore. I'm fighting for everybody around the world i get. Cau- deals people from brazil from ghana from germany. Everybody learned italy. They're all saying the same thing we won't be able to breathe unto you able to breathe today. We are able to breathe the game. After headlines will spend the rest of the hour on the historic verdicts and the reactions. They have garnered protests broke out in columbus ohio tuesday night after a police officer fatally shot a black teenage girl sixteen year old makhaya. Brian was reportedly in an altercation. With two people and police claim they thought she was going to stab someone before an officer shot her four times. The unnamed officer has been put on leave. She was killed shortly. Before derek chauvin was found guilty of murdering george floyd makhaya bryant had been staying at a foster home. Her mother hall of brian to a local news channel about the last time she saw her daughter. We hugged each other. She said mommy. I may honor roll. And she said mom looking forward to coming home. Mckay ahead motherly nature about her. She promoted peace an assumption that i wanted to always be remembered. A judge has denied a motion to toss the twenty year prison sentence of former police officer. Michael slager who murdered unarmed black motorist. Walter scott in north charleston south carolina in two thousand fifteen slater tried to argue that his defense was ineffective but the federal judge ruled quote. A careful review of this entire tragic episode makes plain. That slager has no one to blame for his present predicament and sentence but himself what sealed his fate was his own willful. Act of shooting an unarmed man in the back. Five times as he ran for his life the judge said and international news. India has hit a grim new corona virus milestone with over two thousand deaths in a day and close to three hundred thousand new cases. Hospitals are running low on oxygen and available beds amidst the devastating surge. Prime minister narendra. Modi's said india is facing a corona virus storm but is resisting another nationwide lockdown calling instead for regional lockdowns meanwhile the former king and queen of nepal have tested positive for covid nineteen after attending the religious festival of camilla in the northern indian city of hurried war which has drawn millions of pilgrims in recent weeks mexican president andres manuel lopez obrador received his first dose of the astrazeneca vaccine tuesday. After weeks of mixed messages over whether he would get inoculated he previously said he would not get the shot as he believed. His january infection gave him sufficient cove in one. Thousand nine hundred. Antibodies low has come under fire for his response to the pandemic including his refusal to issue a mask mandate or even wear one himself on many occasions. Mexico's official death. Toll is two hundred thirteen thousand. The third highest in the world but officials said last month. The true number could be sixty percent higher here in the united states. The state department's updating. Its travel advisories to recommend avoiding travel to eighty percent of the countries of the world because of corona virus risks. Johnson and johnson is resuming. Its rollout in europe. After the european union drugs regulators said the vaccine may be linked to extremely rare blood clots but that its benefits far outweigh its risks. The european regulator said the vaccine should carry a warning. It will be up to individual countries to decide whether and how to distribute the j. and j. vaccine on friday a panel for the centers for disease. Control will meet to make recommendations on its use in the. Us which has been temporarily halted new york congressman umbrella. Sandra cossio cortez and massachusetts senator ed markey reintroduced their green new deal resolution tuesday over two years after it was first unveiled and now has over one hundred co sponsors in the house. The plan would overhaul. Us infrastructure investing in clean energy and creating twenty million union jobs. This is cossio. Cortez at a news conference on capitol hill. We're going to transition to a one hundred percent carbon-free economy. That is more unionized. More just more dignified and guarantees more healthcare and housing than any than we ever have before. That's our goal. That's the goal of agreement. What we're gonna do is going to make sure that communities like flint baltimore the south bronx saint louis rural communities whose infrastructure was never properly built in the first place our first in line to rectify the injustices of the past. Meanwhile president biden is expected announce plans to cut. Us greenhouse gas emissions at least in half by twenty thirty nearly doubling the target the us committed under the two thousand fifteen paris. Climate agreement biden has convened an international climate summit with world leaders which will kick off. Thursday earth. Day in chad. The son of the late president idriss deby muhammad idris. Debbie has been named interim head of state by a military council after his father died reportedly while visiting frontline soldiers as they battled rebel advance in the north of the country. The army has also enacted a nationwide curfew and announced. Chad's land and air borders will be shutdown rebel forces threatened to move towards the capital prompting fears of further unrest idris. Debbie had been in power for over thirty years and was just announced the winner of a recent presidential election before his death rights groups are calling for quick transition to democratic civilian rule and an accounting of human rights abuses under. Debbie's rain a new report by reporters without borders says journalists and over one hundred countries have been blocked from reporting on the coronavirus pandemic and other stories or retaliated against for their work in its annual report on press freedom. The group also highlighted attacks on us journalists by law enforcement while covering racial justice protests last summer in pakistan veteran journalist was shot and was shot and wounded tuesday while on a walk near his home in the capital. Islamabad officials have launched an investigation into the attack which the pakistani minister of information condemned an assassination attempt. Allama has been a longtime vocal critic of pakistan's military journalists are routinely targeted in pakistan with news organizations facing censorship from the military and government reporters without borders recently ranked pakistan near the very bottom of one hundred eighty countries for press freedom over two hundred nonprofits including oxfam save the children and the international rescue committee are urging governments around the world to increase aid for hunger. Relief programs in a letter addressed to world leaders. The groups worn over two hundred. Seventy million people are facing acute food insecurity with many quote teetering on the very edge effeminate duda ongoing conflicts the climate crisis systemic inequities and the pandemic oxfam. Recently noted quote only twenty six hours of global military. Spending is enough to cover the five point. Five billion dollars needed to help those most at risk and called cuts to food aid by wealthy countries. Quote an extraordinary political failure back in the united states. The biden administration has officially back statehood for washington. Dc ahead of a house. Vote on the issue thursday. The white house called on congress to quote provide for a swift and orderly transition to statehood for the seven hundred thousand washington residents who are not fully represented in congress. The bill's expected to pass the house but faces an uphill battle in the evenly divided. Senate where it would need sixty votes to overcome a republican filibuster los angeles mayor eric. Garcetti has proposed a guaranteed basic income pilot program which would make la the largest us city to run such a program this year los angeles launched the largest guaranteed basic income pilot of any city in america. We have budgeted twenty four million dollars to provide one thousand dollars a month to two thousand households for an entire year. No questions asked data from a similar initiative in stockton california has shown recipients had greater success in finding employment and improve mental health around one in five people in los angeles lives in poverty. Standing rock water protectors steve martinez has been released after more than sixty days behind bars for refusing to give testimony to a federal grand jury. Martinez was summoned as a witness in the case of safiya landscape a water protector whose arm was severely wounded during a police. Crackdown on anti pipeline. Protests in two thousand sixteen prosecutors were attempting to shift blame for lansky injuries from law enforcement to water protectors the campaign to free steve. Martinez blasted the use of grand juries as a quote divisive and cruel tool of repression and supporters of imprisoned journalists and activists mumia abu-jamal say he underwent successful heart surgery monday. Jamal got cove and nineteen last month and was diagnosed with congestive heart failure which he attributed to medical neglect and prison. Conditions advocates are demanding. He not be shackled to his hospital bed and continue to call for his release. The african american journalist mumia abu-jamal is sixty. six years. Old has been imprisoned for nearly forty years and those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm amy goodman in. New york joined by democracy. Now co host juan gonzalez in new brunswick new jersey high one i amy and welcome into all of our viewers across the country and around the world with a jury in minneapolis has convicted former police officer. Derek chauvin on all three counts for murdering george floyd by kneeling on his neck for nine minutes and twenty nine seconds. Last may chosen is the first white police officer in minnesota to ever be convicted of killing a black person. The jury reached its decision after ten hours of deliberation just after five pm eastern time. Judge peter kay hill. Read the jury's decision we the jury in the above entitled matter as to count one unintentional second degree murder while committing felony. Find the defendant guilty. We the jury in the above entitled to third degree murder perpetrating. Imminently dangerous act. Find the defendant guilty. We the jury in the above entitled matter to count three second-degree manslaughter culpable negligence. Creating an unreasonable risk. Find the defendant. Guilty moments later derek. Chauvin was handcuffed and taken into custody. He'll be sentenced in two months. He faces up to forty years in prison for the most serious charge. Second degree murder outside the minneapolis. Courthouse crowds erupted in cheers when the verdicts were announced. Residents of minneapolis described feeling relieved by the jury's decision to convict derek chauvin. But i know that the but i think like how their i think. Today's date celebrating tomorrow. George floyd younger brother felonious addressed reporters. Hin vote the name of emmett till the fourteen year. Old chicago boy who was lynched in one thousand nine hundred fifty five in mississippi. He was the first. George floyd today. You have the cameras all around the world to see in show what happened to my brother. The motion picture the world seeing has been extinguished and could do nothing but watch we have the protests because it seemed like this is a neville cycle revenue always told me gotta keep fighting a. I'm gonna put up a fight every day. Because i'm not just fighting for jaws anymore. I'm fighting for everybody around the world. I get calls. I get people from brazil from ghana from everybody london italy. They're all saying the same thing we won't be able to breathe onto. You'll able to breathe today. We are able to breathe the game. George floyd's nephew brandon. Williams also spoke and called for reforms to policing in the united states. So today is a pivotal moment for america. Countries needed for a long time. Now yes hopefully today is it started when i say a pivotal moment. We need change and his broken system was built to process. We police reform bay. These guys are able to wear a badge and go on the field which means that they're qualified and trained to do their job a high level. When you shoot and kill. The man is running away from. You doesn't pose a threat. You're not qualify under train choice and you wanna kill black men and women and i think today in his team proved that just because you are a lawyer not above the law we need each and every all of sudden to be held accountable and until then still scared to be a black man and woman. American counting police. The reverend jesse jackson and al sharpton stood behind the family members as they spoke. Reverend al sharpton of the national action network spoke alongside the floyd family. We don't find pleasure in this. We don't celebrate a man going to jail. We would have read the george alive. We celebrate that we because young people white and black. Some castigated many here tonight marched and kept much young and kept going so many of them look down on but they kept march and wouldn't let this die and this is a assurance to them that if we don't give up that we can win some rounds but the war and the fight is not over just two days from now. We're going to have to deal with the funeral of dante right. in the same county. To same area we still have cases defray this gives us the energy to fight on and we are determined can go fight until we make federal law. George floyd justice in policing must be law minnesota attorney general keith. Ellison was in charge of the prosecution. He also referenced. The recent police killing of dante right and nearby brooklyn center minnesota. We have seen rodney king. Admiral louima oscar grant. Eric garner michael brown freddie gray. Sandra bland flambeau casteel mcdonald stefan. Clark tiana jefferson anton black brianna taylor and now dante right and adam toledo. This has to end. We need true justice. That's not one case. That is a social transformation. That says that nobody's beneath the law and no one is above it. This verdict reminds us that we must make enduring. Systemic societal change minnesota attorney general. Keith ellison is the first african american elected to statewide office in minnesota and the first muslim elected to statewide office anywhere in the united states. President biden addressed the nation tuesday and condemn systemic racism. It was a murder in full light of day. And rip the blinders off for the whole world. See the systemic racism. The vice president just referred do is dane on our nation's soul the neon the neck of justice for black americans fear and trauma. The pain the exhaustion and black and brown. America's experience every single day. Murder george floyd loss. A summer a protest. We hadn't seen. Since the civil rights era in the sixties protests that unified people of every race in generation in peace and with purpose to say enough enough enough of the senseless killings kamla harris. The nation's first african american vice president spoke just before president biden. Today we feel a sigh of relief. Still cannot take away the pain. A measure of justice isn't the same as equal justice. This verdict brings us a step closer and the fact is we still have work to do. We still must reform the system when we come back. We'll spend the rest of the hour looking at the chauvin verdict and we'll speak with candace montgomery of blackfish collective in minnesota and harvard professor khalil. Gibran muhammad stay with us And and people never give up by curtis mayfield. This is democracy now democracy now dot or the quarantine report. I made me goodman with juan gonzalez. As we've reported a jury minneapolis has convicted former police officer. Derek chauvin on three counts of murdering george floyd by kneeling on his neck for nine minutes and twenty nine seconds last may. He's the first white police officer in minnesota to ever be convicted of killing a black person. The jury reached its decision. After ten hours of deliberation judge. Peter kay hill revoke showdowns bail and will sentence him in two months. He faces up to forty years in prison for the most serious charge. Second degree murder for more. We go to minneapolis where we speak with candace montgomery co executive director of black visions collective of black lead queer and trans centering community organization based in the twin cities of minneapolis. And saint paul. That's part of the movement calling to de-fund the police candice welcome to democracy now. First your reaction to the verdict much for having me. Yeah my reaction like many was an exile for our community Many of us have been holding our breath in anticipation for this verdict. And though i don't think that justice can never be served when we've lost a life in this type of situation. I do think it's important to be able to honored that. Xcel of a breath in honor the piece. That i'm sure george fluids family and friends are now able to experience and feel and so for that for them. I am of course very happy and candice. I'm wondering your reaction to the statements of attorney general keith ellison. He gave a very lengthy statement after the verdict. Going into basically the history of abuse of african americans law enforcement or your reaction to that into his role in all of this. Yeah you know. I think it's it's really critical that we are lifting up this history and that attorney general keith. Ellison is also doing so and his work to really push for justice in this moment has been important in in many ways at the same time. You know. attorney general keith. Ellison has also been part of demilitarize occupation that is currently happening in minneapolis and across minnesota In response it in preparation for this verdict as well as response to the murder of dante. And so you know my offering back to the attorney attorney general Is to really look at the ways that we are able to not just reckon with history that we have to deal with but also look at how we are perpetuating mt history in these moments specifically by limiting the rights of black and brown protesters right here in his states for peacefully protesting against a nut once again another police murder and in terms of the sentencing for show will be approximately eight weeks. Your sense of what would be a just a sentence for him in this situation. I don't necessarily think that. I have a an assessment of what would feel as a as a just sentence in this moment. I'm as an abolitionist. Someone who really thinks that justices tied up a much beyond someone being imprisoned. I think it's important to really think about justice. Going forward actually looks like defunding and abolishing police. It actually looks like ending military occupation in cities that are responding to police murders And the like in truly of ruining the hideous roots of this institution policing and this system that continues to kill black people at the same time that we were Hailing or collectively celebrating the verdicts. Of george floyd murder. We also witnessed another murder of a black teenager. Mikhail brian Almost at the exact same time and so really as folks are looking forward to the sentencing. I really want to encourage people to think about justice as much more long-term and that we set our our our bar a lot higher when it comes to calling for justice then inadequate sentencing or not last year candice in the days after the protests are over derek. chauvin 's murder of george floyd the majority of the minneapolis city council made a pledge to dismantle the police. This is minneapolis city council. President lisa bender. Our commitment is to end our cities. Toxic relationship with the minneapolis police department to end policing as we know it and to recreate public safety that actually key thing around this same time last year. After george. floyd's murder organizers with your group black visions collective and others convinced minneapolis. Mayor jacob fry to step outside his home to speak with them and this clip. We hear you candace questioning the mayor life. Thanks so that's minneapolis mayor. Jacob fry telling you candace. Montgomery i cannot support the full abolition of the police now. That was last june. I wanna ask you two things. First of all the importance of the activists that the floyd family repeated over and over last night and thanking activists the only reason the first african american elected to statewide office. Minnesota keith. Ellison was in charge of this prosecution is because it was taken out of the hands of hennepin county by the governor as a result of the massive protests and then i want to ask about the protests. Very much Centering around this whole push for defunding. The police in minneapolis including the city. Council's vote. what. In december to cut eight million dollars from the hundred seventy million dollar police budget and divert the funds to mental health and violence prevention. Lay out for this for us. What you have proposed and what you feel has been accomplished and what you think needs to be accomplished for the several. Last year's even before twenty twenty black visions and our partner reclaim the block and other community. Organizations have been calling for the divestment from policing and in particular the investment in our communities on in -ment as in investment in real safety the things that actually create the conditions for safe and healthy and vibrant communities like housing like healthcare quality access to jobs like water that you can drink things like that instead of pouring and wasting millions of dollars on that we know ultimately have one never been designed to protect and serve low income people people of color ever fact have were intentionally created to oppress and keep us in our current conditions That has really been our call since two thousand eighteen and so in twenty twenty it was really important and immediate call to action to defend the police after the murder of george floyd because for me and many of my comrades is what justice actually looks like is ending this and making sure that there is never another. George floyd or dante right or allowing dodd or mckee. O'brien or taylor ever again has really been the work that we've been doing. And we have been working with the city council to push for that demand right now. What that looks like here in minneapolis is calling for the development of a department of public safety in a charter change. In our city that will eliminate the requirement for the current shape of our police department. The amount of officers really the amount of money that we waste every year here in minneapolis on policing and allow us to move those resources. I'm increase the infrastructure at citywide level for real investment in safety alternatives. That do not rely on the police solely in a public health. Approach to how we think about safety here in minneapolis. That is centers care for all of our people and the city council. along with community organizers. Have been working on this initiative this year and excited to bring it to voters in november. This proposed charter. Change on what. I'll say about our our mayor jacob fry. Is that what we've seen. Since last summer. Into this point as he is completely inadequate to fulfill the responsibilities of his executive role to be clear about the types of decisions that he does or does not have power around to actually fulfill the promises that he ran on when he was being elected and has continuously tried to pit black communities against each other in order to preserve his political standing and actually not move forward on investments in community safety like his constituents have been calling for. So i think it's important for people to understand the ways that our mayor has really blocked and gotten in the way of justice. You know. I wanna shout out the george. Floyd square organizers who for almost an entire year have been out there every single day out there between eight. am til late into the evening. Protesting holding down truly sacred space. That is providing mutual aid and care to community members that is curing the art of this movement so that people can memorialize and remember this moment in is not letting the city back down from his promises that has been so crucial as well as the organizing led by young people during the uprising. Last summer that truly lit the fire under the conversation. Here in minneapolis but across the country and across the globe put pressure in all of the right places that were needed and then of course our demands alongside others to not just call for black lives mattering but for to call for a clear demands to change the system by defunding the police as we move towards abolition of the police ultimately over the years to come and invest in new in a new model. A new future a new vision for how do safety. So that's really the moment here. And i. i really appreciate you lifting up the importance of activism and not just activism but intentional organizing that folks have put into intentional strategy that community members have been building for decades to get to get us to this point. And it's just incredible moment of the bystanders. The passersby who simply cared didn't know each other including that the time the seventeen year. Old daughter neyla frazier. Who was the one who took that video and i want to just end this conversation with a reminder of what actually came out from the police department versus what did shortly after derek chauvin kill george floyd the minneapolis. Police department issued a press release describing what had happened. The release was titled man dies from medical incident during police interaction. The statement said in quote two officers arrived and located the suspect. A male believed to be in his forties in his car. He was ordered to step from his car after he got out. He physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect in handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to hennepin county medical center by ambulance where he died a short time later it was only that video and then of course the eyewitness testimony of passersby who didn't know george floyd but who are deeply concerned about watching a slow motion murder that showed the lie of this press. Release your final comment candice. Yes eternally grateful for dr nella in her bravery in being willing to not only witness this murderer by report it. So that the family and others could pursue justice. For george floyd and again the police department will continue to show its true colors and what is actually rooted in Which is making up lies in committing crimes against humanity for the sake of maintaining. Its institutional power so i think that that is important in. It should not be lost on people that here in minnesota right now we are experiencing extreme response militarize occupation of national guard and millions of dollars being poured into policing risking these same conditions. And so you know. I think that it's important that we witnessed this that we document these things that we share these things that we continue to protest. We continue to get out on the streets because we know that the police will lie on our name. Any day Without hesitating and that only we are the ones who are able to keep us safe and reminding us of that and of course star now was with her nine year old cousin who is wearing a t shirt that said love candice montgomery co executive director of black visions collective of black lead queer and trans centering community organization based in the twin cities in minnesota. Next up we go to harvard. Professor khalil gibran author of the condemnation of blackness race crime in the making of modern urban america. Stay with us days you Now forever momentary space by damon locks in the black monument ensemble. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm amy goodman juan gonzalez. Guilty guilty guilty three weeks after the start of the trial that was watched around the world. After ten hours of deliberation a jury of twelve henham county residents delivered their guilty verdicts tuesday on all three counts against former police officer derek. Chauvin who murdered. George floyd last may by kneeling on his back for nine and a half minutes as we continue to discuss the verdict and we're joined by khalil. Gibran muhammed professor of history race in public policy at the harvard kennedy school author of the condemnation of blackness race crime and the making of modern urban america professor muhammad. Welcome back to democracy. Now it's great to have you with us. Take us on a journey back respond to the verdict. But then talk about the beginning of policing in america and its connection to slave patrols morning. Amy and good morning john. I think that this verdict. I been thinking a lot about how to respect the family's since closure in whether they deserve in the delivery of accountability in this case. But i've also been thinking about this in battle in a broader context of war in that war being justice for black people and for by people and for poor people in this country and in this sense The outcome of his trial represents a battle that was one along fought and as candice montgomery so eloquently described in the work that she's been doing the consequence of years of organizing work in minneapolis. And just to remind you. Each one of these battles will take place in the court of our country whether it will be in toledo ohio a. I'm sorry whether it will be in chicago whether it will be in this case most recently with mci of in columbus ohio. and so. that's how i think about the trial and the work that remains but of course we know that while the prosecution was performing in such a way to make the case that derek chauvin was a rogue actor. The truth is that policing should have been on trial in that case and we don't have a mechanism in our current system of laws in the way that we treat individual offenses to have that accountability injustice delivered. And the reason being of course is that our policing system was never really built to deal with individuals. It was built to control groups and those groups ranging from indigenous people. I during the period of colonization and the nineteen th century and of course for the vast majority of people of african descent in this country for two hundred and fifty years in the context of a chattel slavery was meant simply to protect an economic system where people have been defined as property and if that property decided to steal itself there would be deputized armed white men of every class in category in this society to ensure that they would not escape and that history has never left us. That history is still with us and policing right through this very moment remains overwhelmingly concentrated within the most divested poorest communities in our country that are caller because truth be told for rural white americans who experienced severe poverty of policing per capita is lower so we have a system that began in the context of slavery and control and remains in. Its deepest roots that same system and khalid. I wanted to ask you about that. Because i often a tell my students and journalists to go back into the archival history of our newspapers to see this represented of vividly. I for instance in seventeen six boston newsletter. The first continuously published newspaper in america. Road blacks are quote much addicted to stealing lying and per lining and a few years. Later is competitive paper. This is an amazing statement. In a newspaper said quote the great disorders committed by negroes. Who are permitted by improving masters to be out late at night has determined several sober and substantial housekeepers to walk about the town and the sore part of the night so the citizen watch patrols already been developed in early seventeen hundreds of to control the black population of boston of this. As you use so eloquently expressed then becomes the actual the slave patrols and then our modern police departments this to what degree are most americans aware of this history. Well i think it's fair to say most are not aware. Maybe the learning curve has steepened a bit over the past year but the truth is americans whether we talk about the origins of policing or the simple reality of the three hundred and fifty years covering chattel slavery segregation period of. We know empirically that most americans are not taught these histories. This is true for african american children's. Well who's who's curriculum are covered by state legislatures which are dominated by whites. Who are not willing to come to terms reckon with this history and i want to say one more thing about those examples that you described what i think is so powerful about turning to colonial and antebellum archival records is that white people did not mince their words. They were quite clear articulate. About what it is that they were doing when they simply criminalized blackness or they simply criminalize the right to be as my colleague kelly hernandez has written and our language has become a way of obfuscating. Bill saying mechanisms We live in a time in this modern period of social media where we have accelerated the capacity to say one thing in public but to do something else quite differently in our policy in practice and so those history lessons are critical. Indeed i would say lifesaving when it comes to making sure that as we move forward from this moment if it is even possible that we come to terms with the clarity with which passed political elites talked about what they were doing. Well in that vein. You mentioned that. Initially there were attempts to To control obviously suppress the native populations of but especially in light of the recent of shooting of adam toledo history of latinos and other people of color for instance. There was a one book gunpowder justice that claims that the texas rangers just between nineteen fifteen in one thousand nine hundred twenty killed five thousand mexicans in the state of texas suppression force and the la times recently reported that there have been four hundred and sixty five latinos killed by police just in los angeles county since two thousand and that works out to about one. Latino every two weeks for the last twenty years have been killed just in la county this whole issue of of policing being used as a means of suppression and terrorism of these communities those those reminders that anti blackness may have been the motivation for the infrastructure of policing. But it didn't stop there. And i think that is part of the broader historical context in which we need to come to terms with the past as a predicate will the action and the work out that it's remained. He can't montgomery is such an articulate spokesperson for the work that's happening on the ground. But she is exceptional and the work of the black visions collective is exceptional. The work of the anti police terror project led by james birch in oakland is exceptional. We still have members of black and brown communities that are still in need of recognizing the broader limits of police reforming themselves. And when you want described the sheer told that is happening within lat next communities in tethering that to the fact that we have evidence that it may be that there were just as many people of central american mexican ancestry killed by lynch mobs or by police agencies like the texas rangers that number may exceed or match the numbers of recorded lynchings of african americans in this country is just astounding and only shows exponentially how much terror has been an instrument of control in this country as a professor muhammad You've got the guardian reporting on Data breach police Helping to fund. Carl rittenhouse kyle. Rittenhouse the young man. Who opened fire and killed two black lives matter activists and walked away even as people were saying. This is the guy that shot those protesters and you've got the police acting as terrorists themselves the whole issue of violence directed against and you write about this eloquently the poor and also if you can talk about new immigrants and how police are used. Thank you amy. Listen the the fact of how much policing is baked into every system of our society when we think about what's been happening at the border during the trump administration This is another expression of the way that the trump administration simply weaponized systems. That were already in. Place did not invent them and the degree to which something like the cow. Rittenhouse example of of a white man self deputized as an anti black terrorists to shoot people with the protections of the so called second amendment and then to be applauded and supported to begin water on the scene to later receive something like six hundred thousand dollars in defense fawns many of which came from law enforcement itself or to reflect on the fact that the donald trump receives seventy four million votes in this election in calling for more policing more white nationalism. More border control more terrorism and that the republican party as we know now is holding up. The george floyd policing act as a singular unit support for this kind of ongoing tara. That's happening is country is just remarkable. I mean we. We are nowhere in the years able at this time to recognize some consensus on a common way forward to recognize the humanity of people whether they are asylum seekers coming into this country from central america or whether they were born here in any part of this country and as much as i am hopeful for the possibilities of the activists. Work of people like candice. Montgomery i think we all need to be as vigilant as possible that we are nowhere near where we need to be. In order to expect black laws will not continue to be cut short by everything. We've seen so just to say that. George floyd justice and policing act which was passed by the house but is being held up in the senate among its components ben. Show colds ban. No knock warrants create a duty to intervene create a public registry overhaul qualified immunity and minneapolis congresswoman. Ilhan omar tweeted after the verdict. This is but a minuscule step on the path to justice next stops independent agency to investigate police misuse of force criminalize violence against protesters demilitarize. Police departments disband and deconstruct failed. Police departments your response. Well you'd listen. I think that everything that ilhan oman has described is on the table. And i agree with her that the void act it limits the were demonstrates the limits of the federal government to control eighteen thousand decentralized agencies and while as she rightly notes it is a first step and i think it's a good first step for that reason. Much of this work will depend upon state legislatures To take over the work of transformation and now we are seeing everything from the removal of traffic of violation from policing as his happened in berkeley more. Recently we are seeing the public health authority of being called upon to take greater responsibility for delivering community based violence interruption and community based trauma center harm reduction and i think these are all what we can imagine at this moment for bringing four transformation but the bottom line is probably not yet there for the full possibilities of what is to come in so we have to expect over the coming weeks months and years that people will be experimenting on the ground will be trying things new but this is going to ultimately be about political accountability for elected officials because that's where legislative change has to happen and khalil. I wanted to ask you we. In information society like ours. People tend to make a fetish of statistics and crime. Statistics are often used by By politicians could you talk about frederick hofmann how. He misused statistics to demonize black people. Sure well in this day and age. We are having a conversation about crime. Statistics as an index of the threat endanger. That black people pose when we are listening to a lot of political elites and particularly police officials while. We're not having this conversation today if we if. We had a counterpoint that counterpoint. With a bad since george floyd was killed the spike in violence that occurred across major cities in this country is itself evidence prime affair. She evidence statistical evidence. That black people are in need of more policing and not less policing and this is the legacy of frederick hoffman. To make the argument that the evidence of crime that happens or violence or harm that happens within the community is evidence of dysfunctionality and the dangerousness of that population. But that's a lie and it's always been ally because the violence within that community is itself a symptom of the violence of the state and the violence of a society that was focused on extraction and exploitation of people. And why do we know this. Because it wasn't just black people who experienced this it was white. People use european emigrants that experience this and about one hundred years ago the same people that produce statistics recognize that they should see violence as symptomatic of a capitalist society. That is brian people and that is committing acts of violence in the economy itself. And how to fix that was not through policing how to fix that was to invest in those community with pro social interventions to give people the economic security the collective bargaining rights. The right to be seen and to simply be as i again to quote my colleague kelly lytle hernandez so we are still living with hoffman hoffman's legacy in defining crime statistics among black and brown people as evidence of their dangerousness and then driving policing the response to that is still the legacy we live with. It is the infrastructure that we many of us are trying to dismantle. We want to thank you so much for being with us. And i just want to end. Again you've got the three guilty verdicts on chauvin and then in columbus ohio. Right at the time the verdicts were being read. Many inside watching those verdicts. Police officer fatally shot four times a black teenage girl. Sixteen year. Old mikhail bryant. That does it for our show. Khalil gibran muhammad. Thanks so much for being with us. Professor of history race in public policy at harvard kennedy school author of the condemnation of blackness race crime in the making of modern urban america. I'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. Stay safe where mass.
Hour 1: Accountability
"G sanjay willing to the podcast. Stay morning the sports world is talking about it. The world at large was reacting to it. And so there's only one appropriate place to start with you this morning on keyshawn shave will and zubin with the front office. Insider my tennenbaum. In for jay williams morning jail would be back next week when draft week officially commences of course that is mike's expertise all things. Nfl we'll get to that throughout the morning and throughout the first hour but first we have to start at the very top yesterday. I'll just take you quickly behind the curtain. We talk about four fifteen four forty five every afternoon to see what's on the docket to get ready for the show in the morning and when we got together about four forty five. We talked for a few minutes. Exchange pleasantries went through the usual motions. That we do and key said guys. I gotta go verdicts about to come on. I gotta go somewhere between about four thirty and five closer to four forty five. To five o'clock. I'll see you in just a bit and then everybody took part in the way that you normally do whether it was in front of the television i think i could tell he was watching television. Many people i was out and about strolling around people were just glued to their phones. And then you saw the reaction. You saw the verdict derek. Chauvin guilty second degree murder third degree murder. Second degree manslaughter key. Let you start with your opinion on the reaction what you saw how you feel you know. There's really no real filling Zoom and other than they got it right The accountability part of it. So that the messages sent to individuals. That's out there. That think that they could use their badge empower themselves and do whatever now you have something near that hopefully will make those individuals. Think twice three times before they pursue doing the sort of things that he did You know you. it still doesn't bring george floyd back to his family back to this earth. His friends loved ones. But at the same time you can sit back. Can you could hope that. The message was sitting loud and clear. Not only for minnesota but the rest of the world that these sort of actions not will not be tolerated. Moving forward you know. Because you're on the edgy of seat when the verdict was read. You just didn't know it's like you sitting there and you're waiting you're waiting you're waiting you're waiting in. Finally we get the you know the guilty to guilty guilty now. The sentencing part of it has to come about eight weeks from now. So we're still going to be a little skeptical about what actually is going to happen. The maximum i believe is about forty years but is it going to be the maximum and minimum. What is going to be. But i think what took place. Yesterday was the accountability part in in each one of those jurors. Got it right. It was a verdict without modern precedent when it came to charging a police officer with what chauvin was convicted of. There's many other issues. You mentioned the dante right trial that is still going to be taking place. The three other officers that were around chauvin. That's still going to take place. The minneapolis mayor. Jacob frey who the middle of all of this is up for reelection. The police department of minneapolis is still down. Two hundred officers. People simply don't want to apply less qualified. People are applying. People of color are not applying. Because obviously everything that's going on and how it affects minneapolis specifically the third precinct. Where this all happened. so obviously. that's the big story but those are side stories that are going to become very tangible and very important as the months. go on to think about how far we've come. The incident happened with george floyd on memorial day. So we're nearing the one year mark since all of this happened. And how much has changed in the world of sports i should mention. There's been no league in the world that has been more. I would say aligned with social justice then the nba. Their players have been as vocal as anyone. There were five games in the association last night including the nets and the pelicans and the pelicans lost to the nets last night. I don't really think that's much concern to head coach. Stan van gundy of the pelicans what was interesting. Is he broach something that a lot of people were thinking but not saying because it was a day for in some cases celebration there was people bracing for protests. The data obviously was able to die down a little bit with regards to the verdict. A lot of people said is this one case. Is this just george floyd derek chauvin or is this going to be the first step leading to systemic change. Is this going to be the first step in a very long journey. That probably should have been putting one foot in front of each other long ago. The optimistic view is indeed. This is the first step to systemic change. But stan van gundy as always. The case gave us a dose of his visceral honest emotional opinion. And it's not as bullish as you may think is going to change anything. It was a just verdict. But it will. It have larger implications. Well it forces us or at least motivate us to explore better policing and solving the immense problem of racial justice. Is it gonna going to do any of that. Is it going to move us forward on any of that or is this just an isolated verdict on one where we had clear video evidence so i applaud just verdict. But it's hard for me to celebrate based on where the whole thing started. George floyd still being dead people since then being dead and not having overwhelming confidence that that this is going to be a step in the right direction and not an isolated incident. Only time will tell on that. I'm going to have a quick thought on the media perspective. And why this trial combined with the times in which we're living led to an unprecedented verdict and reaction around the world just by two cents here in a minute. But mike i just want to get your thoughts on what you heard because i think this is just one of those stories that we're going to be talking about fifty years from now one hundred years from now those two words george floyd will continue to resonate long after. We're all gone. A as i mentioned verdict without precedent. I agree first of all. It's it's still unspeakable tragedy. I think jurors got it right and that is signs of progress but two things really stood out to me yesterday. First of all. I went back and i read. The initial press release from may twenty fifth twenty twenty and the headline was man dies after medical incident during police interaction. Which is shocking. That's what the initial report was. After george floyd passed away. And i think the other interesting part to me was that. Hopefully we'll be a meaningful part of history. Moving forward is the seventeen year. Old daughter neyla frazier. She was the one that actually videotaped the incident and for all the tragedies that have come recently and all the social injustices that have occurred. So when like her hopefully in a meaningful way will change history because capturing what happened on video obviously changed the outcome. In the george floyd case but i just i went back and i read that initial press release it was shocking to be the initial characterization of what happened and that's where i wanted to go mike. You kind of hit the nail on the head on where i wanted to go with the media aspect of this in the racial composition of the jury a quick couple points. We'll continue to talk about this throughout the four hours. Because obviously this is a story that transcends sports and so sort of makes us realize we're just here to talk about ball games. Scores highlights analysis and how trivial that is in the grand scheme of things. But you'll right. The george floyd woke up on memorial day twenty twenty. I don't think george. Floyd thought he was going to be taking his last breath that day and when seventeen year old darnell frazier woke up that day. I don't think she woke up thinking to herself. I'm going to change the world today. But she did she was seventeen is seventeen. She was walking with young member of her family to get a snack at a convenience store when she saw it and presence of mind even as a youngster to take the younger person she was with put that person on the doorstep of convenience store walkover takeout her phone twenty twenty one and with the thumb pressed one button on her phone and with that one button change the course of history. So george floyd when he woke up that day had no idea it would be his last and frazier had no idea the impact. She would have using modern technology. We're going to dig into this next hour. But i just want to mention one thing as we continue to cut across racial lines. The jury was consisted of one black woman to multiracial women to white men. Three black men four white women. Two thirds of the jury were in their forties or younger and often times as is the case and i think this is a sad commentary on where we are that needs to be mentioned because many people believe the composition of the jury ends up deciding what the verdict will be. But i think in this case whether you had twelve white men twelve white women black women twelve black men anybody age race sexual orientation older younger urban suburban rural rich. Poor democrat republican. I don't think you need to break down. Even though in two thousand twenty one this is what we do. I don't think you need to get down to the granular level of who on the jury deciding the fate of derek. Chauvin anybody with a pair of eyes as keith ellison of minnesota attorney general said believe your is first day of the trial. Believe your eyes. Believe what you're seeing. And so that's one thing i just wanted to mention. Oftentimes people look at the composition. And say that's why certain verdict was rendered in this particular case. If you took twelve clear eyed people have any background. I think it's obvious what the case would be on the way much more on this throughout the course of the morning the nfl draft is eight days away our gm. Mike tannenbaum is here jets. Dolphins who were asking the big surprise teams would be and if knack jones tumbles. How far will he go. Mike says not nearly as far as you might think we're underway this morning. Keyshawn jay zubin. Espn radio and espn two coming up. This morning on k. Jc lipson head football coach. Dabo swinney is our coverage of the nfl draft. Continue dabo sweeney with di sante willing to ben- this morning at eight thirty eastern on espn radio and espn news. Do you own or rent your home sherry you and i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. that's geiko dot com. Welcome to the in about ready to get started with the next generation of nfl stars. Talk and the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft. We've got all three days covered with exclusive access and expert analysis talent. Wise guys us off the charts. That are already right now. So twenty twenty one. Nfl draft starts april twenty eight pm. Eastern live on espn abc and nfl network. Certainly doesn't mean that. Sam darnold won't be facing any level of competition for that starting job in charlotte. Mike tannenbaum the front office. Insider here with us will break that down at about fifteen minutes but key right off the top the panthers top of mind they pick in the top ten. It's a fascinating team seemingly on the cusp lost. A ton of games last year in one possession fashion. A lot of people believe they are close welcomed. Straight talk straight talk wireless and it's time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless okay so we have to get into this. We're asking this morning. The biggest surprise teams in both conferences. We're going to get your thoughts. And mike's thoughts. Let's start in the nfc. And i'll let the cat out of the bag. We kind of just heard christine. Lisi talk about the big trade for sam darnold. You really believe that. Carolina is the team. That's on the cusp. Your biggest surprise team in the nfc. When you look at the nfc though as a whole you could go you can start out with. There's no surprise team in the west. They're all good right. I mean arizona is trending upward. So it's not a surprise. And then you you. You look at where the south is. I mean atlanta's atlanta. You know we don't know what's going to happen with jamison new orleans. We already saw tampa bay win the super bowl In so when you look at what happened in the east. It's like okay. What's what's the surprise over there. All of a sudden washington emerges and goes to the super bowl surprise. They were a playoff team. Even though they you know they back doored into it isn't champions. Visit champions but it was like a fake division at that time so you look at carolina. The moves that they made with bringing over sam darnold and giving up the capital in the draft to get a guy that they felt could get them over the top with a healthy christian mccaffrey. Dj more robby anderson. They draft someone at eight. That helps them on the offense society. Bom still got a guy like jack thompson leading the defense. So we you start to look at what joe brady can do from an offensive standpoint. You look at that division. You say to yourself okay. The tampa bay buccaneers won the super bowl but they everything fail right for them. They caught a new orleans team. That was banged up. They went in and green. Bay was green bay. Didn't finish the deal. They hit when they were supposed to hit although they struggled along the way. There's no drew brees. we don't know jamie. Listen if his jameis winston what if he starts off any struggles and then all of a sudden sean payton is forced to go tastes a meal in that starts now. I got this quarterback back and forth. What i do week-to-week. Then you look at the atlanta falcons ego. Well i mean they got new head coach. They don't know what they're gonna do at four. What other play makers who have to. Julio jones stay healthy is calvin ridley going to continue to play well with it's running back. Look i mean it's all those things so you look at carolina you go okay. I think this is surprise team so because when you think about it. Chicago's not a surprise team. Minnesota would be a surprise team. It'd be the carolina panthers indeed. So who's your surprise teammate. At eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven. Seven six you can give it the each conference keys obviously choosing the panthers here in the nfc keys choice on the afc here in a second. We'll get to. Mike's pick stupid again dates. As and eight. Eight eight seven nine. Three seven seven. Six your choice for surprise team in both conferences this year. It's the panthers in the nfc. Who is it for you in the afc. Well as i look at the. Afc it's can't see chiefs right there. You put them over there separate now. You start to break del. That conference in based on the move says being made it could be the new england patriots. But i've always felt like new england just needed to retool take a breath gets players back so they're not going to be a surprise to me a surprise team indianapolis coached they went out and they acquired carson wentz because of course of woods had success under frank right. I don't give a damn with nobody say the man has success with frank. Right frank right obviously knows his strengths and his weaknesses. He now takes over a team. That was you know a few plays of. I would call it upsetting buffalo in buffalo. If had they just hit a few throws here near it would have been a different ballgame so when you look at it they bring a guy in and now has a different confidence level. Jonathan taylor is the running back. They reside t. y. Hilton michael pitney. Julius over there the defense is what it is. It's solid and sale. The offense align is great. So you like okay. Everything is alive perfect for him. It shouldn't be any turbulence at all. This isn't philadelphia where he was walking on eggshells. Well if i do this wrong. I'm gonna get pooled if i do that wrong. I'm gonna get pool. They gave me a bunch of money. The expectations big. Oh well my receivers not playing this week. Oh well my other receivers not playing this week so we went through a lot. I think indy in within that division. Because we don't know what houston houston. Thanks a mess right right. I'm not bullish on tennessee. Tanny hill is okay serviceable. They got a nice running game their defenses atrocious from front to back that very good. It's so you start to look at it jack. I don't even need to mitchell jacksonville right. I mean that's a. That's a basic new team with a new head coach in a new quarterback so this is the team that comes out of that division in. They would be the surprise team for me. Okay mic should. We got carolina in the nfc for key indianapolis in the afc. You're gonna go mega star. Wattage power with your two franchises. Go ahead in the afc. Nfc your surprise teams. Well if i count new england as a surprise he kind of agree with key. Which is it's hard to say that there are surprise team but obviously they fell short last year. I think cam can play a lot better. And i think dante hightower coming back is going to be a big big difference for them. So in addition to everything else they did in the off season for mattress on receivers tight ends. I think has a real chance to win. The division in my opinion as key mentioned that they were closer last year. That people thought that buffalo game. If they didn't fumble they probably would have beat buffalo in buffalo. So i love new england that side and then on the nfc zubin maybe. This is a surprise. Maybe it's not but what are my favorite players in all of the nfl's dak prescott. I think dallas next year getting back back. people are gonna have trouble keeping up with them. Kansas city as you mentioned you can put them on one level. But you talk about green bay tampa bay. I think dallas to me. They could score as many points as those other teams. I think it's critical that they address defense in the draft specifically either a pass rusher or corner. I think the draft says a perfectly someone like patrick certain from the university of alabama. They drafted trevan digs a year ago. He's a good outside corner but they can. At least get the defense to average. I think dallas is a team. That's going to score a ton of points next year. If data can stay healthy. And i think they're going to surprise a ton of teams. They both have the power to fortify pretty quickly dallas. We'll pick in the top. Ten new england in the top fifteen cowboys haven't been to the super bowl in more than a quarter century. Straight talk wireless. No contract no compromise speaking of the draft the cage as z. Mock draft rolls on picks five through eight on the way. Almost everybody in the world has the bengals taken one guy at five except for the k. j. z. Mock draft will. We're going off the board. And how far will match on slide off the board. If he doesn't go to san francisco the answer from our experts are mock draft continues on the way after this from hulu still pounding on that remote control night after night. Hulu has all the shows and movies you love and before you ask. 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Okay i don't know if we want to compare johnny to these guys. These guys are certainly hoping for a better outcome. Draft april twenty ninth. Espn television here on espn radio. The front office insider. Mike tannenbaum is here and he will be a part of the. Espn radio's draft coverage along with kevin gandhi l. Dunkin bart scott looking forward to that on the here in just over a week okay. So if you're newly initiated it's time for the continuation of the cage. Jay z mock draft. Pretty simple right. We're going to run through all thirty two teams. We're going to try to knock off for a day. Yesterday we went all four. It was all four quarterbacks that were to happen in reality. It'd be the first time ever today. we're gonna do picks five through eight as they stand currently in the draft order. If there's some trees that are made between now and next thursday we'll account for that when we break down every team in the first round. So that's the deal. Have our experts from each team. Somebody in the market that follows the team every day. Make a well informed. Pick key will give his analysis and then that analyst will break down why he or. She made the selection. They did so we are ready to go. With the best is he's perked up at six thirty five. Am eastern. that's one way to get. Some people need coffee key. Needs the draft chime the cincinnati bengals round the clock. Aren't they always mow edgar. Espn fifteen thirty with the selection with the fifth. Pick in the two thousand twenty one k. j. z. Mock draft the cincinnati bengals select jomar chase wide receiver from lsu. I don't think that this is the right. Pick facility what they wanna do. They want us around. Joe burrow with weapons. But if he's on his back like he was a lot last year prior to the injury. Then jamaa chases not gonna get the foot book going to get football at all. Let alone they have a guy tee higgins they drafted out of clemson last a second round tyler board several years before that on the pittsburgh joe mixing in the backfield. You need offense alignment panay sue out of argun should have been a pick here but if they wanna throw the ball on his back have him throw the ball on his back. Go right ahead. Joe burrow reuniting with jim are chase from baton rouge to cincinnati. Everyone's got explain the chase selection. This is a position which the bengals really can't get it. Wrong kyle pitches available. He's a physical freak. Pineda's souls available the best offensive line prospect in this raft but with the offensive line in which the bengals need to get better. There are players. The bengals could get in rounds. Two and three they can plug in and play guard and with chase specifically you cannot ignore the production he had in two thousand nineteen playing with joe burrow. Over seventeen hundred yards receiving twenty touchdown receptions. You take jomar chasing adams. Joe mixon t higgins tyler boyd and burrow and suddenly you have an offense that has the capability of being one of the most explosive and that was the single best receiving season in lsu history. Mardian opt out last year. So if you're wondering that name. We didn't see him last year. That's the reason here. We go the miami. Dolphins are on the clock with their rebuilding projects. Certainly ahead of schedule. You think amber wilson. Espn radio and seven ninety. The ticket with selection six with the six pick in the two thousand and twenty one k jay z. Mock draft. The miami. Dolphins select cayo pits. Tight end the university of florida. Great pick for miami. You think about it. He's from the area right. There actually is from philadelphia but he played not for up the road at the university of florida but this allows to a big time target in the red zone. You know the interesting thing they went out and got we'll of who can lift the coverage with speed. You got parker on the underneath stuff. But here's a mismatch that linebackers safeties. The only thing that i question is his speed playing wise. He doesn't seem to play fast to me. It seems like his body is what gets him. Open being tall. And rangy not necessarily violent and physical. When you look at guys like travis kelsey for that size travis. Kelsey plays fast. You look at it gronkowski. He played fast. So hopefully cow pits makes the adjustment to the national football league and turns up to speed level in games. Jimbo fisher is on the show yesterday. A few in his phrase of pets unwarranted just asked him. We didn't even bring it up boom. He said watch for that kid from florida amber on why this picnic so much sense guys. It often found themselves in the unique position of sitting at the top of the draft in that third spot not needing to draft a quarterback is they hid just drafted one so they trade it all the way back. But then they bothered to trade backup to get into that sixth spot and that tells me that they're still interested in taking a skill position here at six. This is a quarterback heavy draft. This is also a pass catcher heavy draft however i think drafting pits is less about the position than he plays and more about just taking the next best guy off your draft board in fact the dolphins don't actually need to draft a tight end. They have mica sticky. But if you have the opportunity here to draft the best tight end prospect ever in nfl draft history. You do it. Your pair him with mike ezekie and you give to a ton of loa an arsenal of weapons at that tight end position. Even if that's at the expense of passing on pairing up with some of his former teammates who are still on the board in and smith. Greenie is going to be hearing this year over two hundred times. That's a little bit too much. The lion's right back in the top ten where they belong david. Mad dog demarco. Seven thirty the game in lansing michigan with the lion. Seven selection along with a pick in two thousand and twenty one k. Jay z mock draft. The detroit lions the south. pick take. Michael parsons off penn state. I agree with this pick. I think they need some edge rushing. Capabilities have michael. Parsons had come back or not opted out. He certainly could have been in the top five type. Category had he continued the production at penn state. he's a force to be reckoned with. Not only in the past game but also on the run game afford sub. Four three defender. And when you have a guy like that they can chase down the running backs from the other side. Get to the quarterback off the edge. You certainly can set the to another standard. I think when you look at it where things are going for detroit. They've got to start on the defensive side of the ball slowly building. The defense okudah last year this year going at least in this particular draft here with mike parsons at penn state. Here's mad dog. on the rationale. A lot of people might think that they should take the three wide receivers and even with justin fields as their quarterback out of ohio state the ohio state. And maybe they will. I think defense needs to be addressed big time with the detroit. Lions matt patricia was a defensive minded guy from bill. Bella checks defense. New england in their defense and detroit is just smelled. It's been awful it with. Its been terrible. And now they have a new regime of coaches. I think parsons six. Three to forty. Four junior out of penn state. I think he's perfect right there. I've heard nobody say michael. Parsons at number seven. Maybe that's uplifting him a little bit but detroit needs defense. I know coffee's receivers they can get receivers. that's who i like. Michael parsons six. Three to forty. Four linebacker penn state okay. Let's round out. Today's portion of the cage easy mock draft the carolina. Panthers have the eighth overall selection. This is fascinating bobby. Rose inskeep seven thirty the game in charlotte with the selection with the eighth pick in the two thousand twenty one k. j. z. Mock draft carolina. Panthers select tackle khanate tool from oregon. Pinot soon will be gone by the time they get to the carolina panthers cincinnati. Bengals will certainly be taking him but they do need to dress. The offense tackle spot. I think when you look at the kid out of northwestern. There's an opportunity there you know. And this is one of those picks where you're in the eight spot. Maybe you trade back. Maybe you decide to pick up something because you continue to build your roster. You don't have to sit at eight. There will be teams. Depending on where these quarterbacks fall that are be looking to get up to the spot and it will give them some draft capital that they gave up to get sam darnold. They can get back yet. The kid from northwestern rashawn slater. We'll wait to see where that name falls. Maybe it'll happen tomorrow. Bobby's back to explain. Why soule who doesn't think we'll be there and many others don't would-be the pick if somehow. Miraculously he is. The reason for this pick is easy. The carolina panthers fourteen offensive tackles since jordan gross retired in two thousand and thirteen and they need to protect their new investment. In sam darnold to do that. They get the best offensive tackle in the draft and easy pick for matt. Rule and scott federer. There you have it. So that's picks five six seven eight will roll tomorrow with another four and we'll get all the way through thirty to just two quick disclaimer. Obviously each of our guests can only pick. Who's laugh so when swells on the board. They're gonna take him at eight if he's not taken at five chases taken somewhere else so a lot of this is just based on. We call these people and say. Hey here's who's been selected ahead of you so it's not necessarily who they would take it that position. That person has to be available so if you got a problem with him. You're tweeting them. You're upset at them just remember. They're just picking based on. Who's available at that time. All right the front office insider. Mike tannenbaum is backed by the way. If you have a question for mike it's time it's like our version of ama read it. You can ask mike anything. Within reason within reason right eighty eight say espn. He'll answer everything you've got so throw it out. Eighty eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven. seven six eight days from the draft. He swung deals for two teams. What's it like your questions. get on the phone now. Mike what did you think. Selections five through eight and the choices made this morning. The thing that was really disappointed with our friend vote eggers cincinnati. Yesterday we saw the super league just to spend overnight if the cincinnati bengals draft offense tackle. They should be disbanded and revoke from the. Nfl was thousand percent right last year last year. This is remarkable guys. Joe burrow through all four hundred and fifty times in ten games unacceptable. They cannot go out on the field this year unless they draft an offensive tackle today school with the fifth pick. I don't care if it's the. Us olympic track team out there. Jomar chase justin jefferson. If they train forever. I don't care they gotta keep this guy uprated healthy. It was irresponsible what they did last year. They should have been more to back offense into sets too tight ends. They should have protected. Joe burrow irresponsible and it bothers me when people say oh just another weapon of how many teams will be played. this year. He played ten last year. You wanna play in six or four. so when mo- agresson they can't make steak yam. Oh you made a mistake because you picked the wrong guy mike. Let me ask you this in terms of cow pits. Now with my instant evaluator technology is all of a sudden. Have i watching him in. I know he's great. He's great in college. He makes big plays. There's no question about it. But he's not twitchy and it seems to me watching film on him. He plays slower than clock speed. Now maybe i'm wrong. Maybe i'm seeing something. Maybe i need to get a new. tv set. i don't know but what are you seeing out of that. I think it's a really good point. We've talked about this before. And just being completely candid here for all our listeners. Viewers keyshawn was an unbelievable blocker as a wide receiver and with dan. Henning and bill parcells one of the many great things about the way key played was it was always a mismatch. And what i mean by that is if a team went. Small against us and played sub. We could run the ball because kisha was such a great blocker and we put him in the slot. Those undersized defensive backs key was a great blocker if they played regular. Try put a linebacker on key. He was way too fast and athletic. And i think what kyle pits to your point key. My concern is we talked to defensive coaches. Like i've asked wade phillips i've asked eric mangini rex ryan. How would you think how pits one hundred percent and key or saying. Hey he's wide receiver. He's going to have to prove to us that he can block. So i think you're making a really important nuance point. Which is this as a tight end. of course he's a dispatch. There's no linebacker that cover them. But i i see a very similar concern which is if you're going to defend him as a receiver. He's a good player. But i don't see that elite skill set. Let's go to the phone lines. I mentioned it's time to ask the gm anything you want. Mike is just been in the hot seat with draft eight days away. There's not many people out there in the media that can say everybody can say here's my mock draft. Everybody can say. Here's who i would grab with no repercussions if you're wrong. There aren't as many people who have done it in. Nevada live with the consequences the way mike has so. Let's get his insight. Tony in south carolina you're on. Espn radio ask the gm anything. Hey guys i just want to know. I'm a diehard eagles fan in two definitely a big fan of you guys watch you guys. Everyone but i just want to know why. The eagles aren't focused on receivers. Last year we were depleted or a close absolutely horrible this year. They trade back and now. They're looking at a defensive prospect. I just wanna know what in the world is going on philadelphia eagles. Mike you to gm take it away you. It's a good question you know we could maybe talk about. They did take receiver last year. Jalen rieger they could've taken justin jefferson so they did draft. The you would say the right position. Maybe it was the wrong player. I think in fairness. So let's give that a grain of incomplete you know what's interesting is justin. Jefferson was the fifth receiver taken last year based on one year production. You'd say he was the best player of of those five. So we'll see but i think it's clear that what they're gonna do this year. Say hey jalen hurts your quarterback and hopefully they're going to get them more weapons. They should be a really good player at twelve which is where they currently are and one thing you have to philly a ton of credit of is if carson wentz play seventy five percent or more staps. They're going to have three first round picks next year. So if jalen hurts works out you got three picks to really improve your roster if jalen hurts does a out. You should have more ammunition than anybody to go up and get a quarterback next year if you need to and i think when you look at it you jalen rigor is an incomplete like you said. Mike based on injuries quarterback problems just everything that went on in philadelphia. A year ago. I wouldn't have taken him over jefferson. There's no way. I felt like was probably the best receiver in the draft last year. When you look at it though there's plenty of receivers in this year's draft is pretty deep. You don't have to take a guy in the first round to be successful. I point to my nephew of the new orleans. Saints michael thomas. He's been one of the most productive receivers is the most productive receiver coming into the league. So when you look at it you know guys in the second and the third round feel the roster up a little bit for you could make plays with those sort of guys get the position. Get a position that you certainly need to help out. Jalen hurts and it's not the receiver spot india dave's in western new york. He's on. espn radio. This morning asked the gm anything. Hey good morning guys. How's it going Big tampa bay bucks staying here and bills country and i just wanna know everyone's talking about the top. Ten picks one the champs going to do with the last pick of the draft day. That's a really interesting question. I think if you look at what ozzie. Newsome did in one of the last access the general manager of the baltimore ravens at thirty two a couple years ago. He took labar jackson which was a great pick for a number of reasons. Lamar turn out to be the league. Mvp in addition they got five years because in the first round you have that fifth year option. I think the buccaneers should take a quarterback at thirty two just like the ravens did so whoever that six quarterback is davis mills of stanford. Maybe it's cow. Trask of florida kalamata texas. Am there's the next group after that top five and if you think about from a buck near standpoint this gets a perfectly which is you. Have tom brady presumably for this year. Maybe one more and now you have somebody behind him learning from the grace of all time. And if you haven't for five years. So if i'm tampa bay as good as they did this off season. Let's think about the future and get your quarterback. Who's the apparent to tom. Brady and i think you're you're right. Mike what i would look at to if i was running the deal. Who wants to get at thirty two. Let me trae back. Because as these quarterbacks start slide down when you still have that second wave of guys there. I could probably pluck one of them in the second round and i can pick up some extra draft capital to continue to build the roster just a reminder russell wilson third round dak prescott fourth round. You may have heard. Tom brady was drafted in the sixth round. Tibor in new jersey s. the gm. Anything a good morning. Mike a big fan of yours. Lifelong fan question. We all know that. The kessel offensive line is awful except for mci beck did They need guard. They need tackle on the right side. Who will be left in the draft and with their second third pick and we'll they fill those spots with the offensive lineman. Yeah thanks tibor. I totally agree with you. George fat was a guy that really didn't work out for them last year. Becton to me looks like a great player. i think from a perspective really sets up well from this standpoint. Obviously they take the quarterback in the second pick with their second first round pick. There could be someone like christian darah sof of your detect who i love. I think in other years we'd be talking about the top ten but because of panic. Silver sean slater. Some of these receivers going. I think there's going to be a really good tackle. There like sam qazi texas but to be questioned darah saw. I think has a chance to be an elite player. If he's a book with mike mci bethann with a young quarterback at least style foundationally. You have a really good group of young players to build off of the jets. Needs so much stuff. Mike and when you get in a certain parts of the draft for them outside of the second maybe the outside of that second first round pick. They need to just address whatever's on the board as best available for them where they have them ranked because they need so many. They got so many holes right. I mean it's not specific terms of position. It's like they need a guard. They need to tackle they this. They need another receiver. they needed. Defense back they need a linebacker. He's like so much when you're building a team from scratch just select the best available. No doubt about it. We'll see what happens again. The draft eight days away. Espn radio full coverage espn television. In cleveland in front of fans like it used to be you know way back in the old days like two years ago keyshawn j. presented by progressive insurance all of our guests on the goodyear hotline. Coming up this morning at nine thirty a. m. eastern sweeney will be here. We'll ask him about trevor lawrence. W and of course. We'll ask him about shawn watson as well. 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One you can find it at youtube dot com slash crooked media. I can't wait to watch this one. It's great. I watched it last night. Oh good look you already watched it. Okay great you know. It's possible john. I m time being up in late hours of the night holding my phone where. I can consume content from the crooked media hose. That's true that makes all right. Let's get to the news on tuesday. A verdict was reached in a case that fueled a global movement for racial justice and the largest civil rights protests in american history. After ten hours of deliberation in minneapolis jury found officer. Derek chauvin guilty of second degree murder third degree murder and manslaughter in the death of george. Floyd chauvin is the second minnesota police officer ever to be convicted of murdering someone while on duty and he will spend the next eight weeks in jail awaiting his sentence which could be up to forty years in prison. Floyd's family responded to the ruling in an emotional press conference. Here's his younger brother phillies. I feel relieved today. That i finally have the opportunity to for hopefully getting some sleet a lot of days. That are appraised and hope. And i was speaking everything into existence. I said i have faith. Then he will be convicted. We won't be able to breathe until you label to breathe. Today we are able to breathe again dan. What was your reaction to the verdict. I watched it live. As according to a ratings. Millions of people country around the world did and the fact that we did that sort of says everything about the significance of this case the movement that was spawned from the murder of george floyd and all of the inherent problems in our justice system. Systemic racism our society in the for the fact that as. I'm sure you did everyone else. You wash it with great trepidation in suspense. That chauvin could have been acquitted of this because here you have a case where the murder was committed in public on video seen by the world and yet people were still deeply afraid. That justice would not be done. They're not would not be a measure of justice as vice president khama harris said and it speaks to how much work still needs to be done and the other thing is i was watching. I was thinking about was all the millions of people who took to the streets in the middle of a pandemic to to march in a protest against structural racism. After the murder of george floyd and breonna taylor and so many others. What would it say to them. If in this case the justice system could not truly do the bare fucking minimum of of convicting someone who committed the crime on video. What would it say that. What would that be a message to. All those people that progress was was impossible. And so this is. I think this is a relief more than celebration shirts imagination. Because there's so much more work to do so many more turns in this case as you said just with the sentencing and then the other officers who were involved but you know. I think the way the whole thing played out sort of speaks the courage of the floyd family the people who got involved because of an an all of the problems that still exist within our criminal justice system within our society. Yeah i was. I relieved by the verdict. Then sad that the outcome had ever been in doubt and then angry that in order to convict a police officer had to be a case where the murder was filmed right because if seventeen year old. Daughter neyla frazier had held her phone up. All we would have had is that minneapolis police department statement. That read man dies after medical incident during police interaction right so it had to be a case where the murder was filmed. It had to be a case where show wtn's fellow. Police officers were willing to testify against him. It had to be a case where the victim was literally begging for his life while slowly being choked to death for nine minutes like so what happens when the next murder isn't filmed. What happens when the the facts of the next case are in dispute. What happens when the police refuse to speak out against their own. Which is usually the case. And i think all that speaks to the need like you said for transformational change in policing and what happens if the attorney general is not someone like allison who is a progressive. Who ran on in part police reform in in doing better in situations like this. That outcome was in doubt in a situation where there were factors. That gave us better reason to believe that there. You could get the right outcome in the trial and there would be an almost any other case in any other part of the country. And that's what's so armee about this. David graham wrote in the atlantic. The chauvin conviction is the exception. That proves the rule which i think is the right way to sum that up It seemed like everyone with any kind of platform responded to the verdict on tuesday activists politicians celebrities athletes brands. The reactions range from incredibly moving to incredibly cringe-worthy is spend time on the ladder. Just do a quick search for nancy. pelosi or the las vegas raiders Minnesota attorney general. Keith ellison who's office led. The prosecution of the case reflected the sentiment of many of us. when he said quote. I would not call today's verdict justice but it is accountability. Which is the first step towards justice. President biden vice-president harris also addressed the nation. Harris said that quote a measure of justice isn't the same as equal justice. we must still reform the system. And here's a clip from biden's remarks so we can't leave this moment or look away thinking our work is done. We have to look at it. we have to. We've look as as we did for those nine minutes and twenty nine seconds. We have to listen. I can't breathe. I can't breathe last words. We can't let those words die with him to keep hearing those words. We must not turn away. We can't turn away. We have a chance to begin to change victory in this country. So it's highly unusual for the president and the vice president to speak after a ruling like this It's even more unusual for the president to weigh in before the verdict like binded when he told reporters that the evidence against chauvin was overwhelming and he was praying for the right verdict. Why do you think he did that. Let's let's take them separately. The question about weighing in before which is definitely in violation of every piece of guidance. At every person who works in the white house counsel's office told him to do. But i think he answered it because to not say. The evidence was overwhelming. Here would be dishonest. And i think a sort of a violation of the conversations and the relationships that he's been having with the floyd family and activist ever. Since this day. I mean it is sometimes Legal guidance flies in the face of what is patently obvious. Intruded needs to be said and so i think that's why he did it. I promise you there. several meetings. Many emails were sent in the white house staff after he did it but i think it was the right thing to do well. I also think like when we're looking for evidence of change and the way things that have changed over time you and i and and tommy had been talking about this like. Can you imagine if barack obama did something like that like the there would have been all those same emails in the white house and warnings from the white house. Counsel's office and i wonder if all those years ago he probably would have listened to those warnings instead of doing what. I'm sure he would want wanted to do which is say. Exactly what joe biden said. Well he very much did after the acquittal of michael vick trayvon won't trayvon well so it's happened both ways to run through the history but he spoke after the acquittal in the ferguson case back in two thousand fourteen and answered it with language that was very much in line with what we attorneys would want him to say. The reason he did that as there was a pending federal investigation and he was abiding by what that guidance was and people were very disappointed in what he said because it was not what he necessarily fell to speak to and as a person and a black man in america speaking to as the person to whom the justice department technically reports. And so that. Like i think that has changed. How you address these things as chain also. This is some of the barriers that trump stumbled into that have changed. I think how you think about what presidents can and can't say and for many cases when trump did it was absolutely terrible. This think by did the right thing. The reason to go out and speak afterwards. Because of the movement. That the murder of george floyd sparked in what it meant and how people got involved because of it and my assumption is that they would have spoken regardless of the results. If you've gotten gotten the the horrible incorrect resolve there've been some sort of acquittal in the face of all of the evidence speaking out was the right thing to do and i think it's very notable that they spoke together. The president vice-president almost never speak together. That is not a thing that happens often particularly not a nationally televised address. In the fact that you had a black woman. Speaking about this in this moment was incredibly powerful image. And i think it's to the it speaks a lot about the relationship. I think the two of them have and the role. She's playing in the white house. Let's talk about that movement. You know listening to biden talk in that clip about the chance to change the trajectory of this country. What if anything do you think has changed about america since george floyd was murdered. And what hasn't i mean. This is a really hard one because definitely when you see this. In in public opinion research that awareness of the just the basic idea a structural racism in this country has gone up. more white. people will talk about it. They will cite it as a reason for this. The acknowledgement about the existence of the problem of police violence against black and brown americans awareness of that and opposition to that has grown significantly over time. You've seen although it's come back. Some since the height of the protest acceptance of the in support for the black lives matter movement has grown incredible incredibly since two thousand fourteen. What hasn't changed is the way in which the republican party weaponized. These disputes to try to run on a white nationalist message essentially in that would these issues become more. Even if you win you have brands. Football teams and your exert. Every brand almost like it's sort of incredible like every sports team in america felt obligated to put out a statement when this abbot every brand. And so that in a way that is progress right that use like people it is that is now the consensus position among brands and sports teams other entities. That are try very hard to be like removed from politics and you can see it to sort of The most explicitly in sports in when the nba finals were played in the bubble. It was played on a court that said black lives matter and that would not happen without this movement but on the other end you and we'll talk about the reaction. The right on this. There was always a backlash to these things in collaboration among the far right and that makes it hard to do make the progress you need to make because you have the others is becoming more entrenched in their views and sort of protecting the system as it exists. Yeah i mean look. There's there's both substantive attitudinal changes that are taking place in the country. Since george floyd was murdered like we said you saw the largest largest mass protests moving in us history. The new york times pointed out that one hundred seventy confederate symbols were renamed or removed. Since then you know you had. It's part of the reason that donald trump was defeated biden was elected and and one of the one of the consequences of by being elected that was announced yesterday as the department of justice now once again engaging in pattern and practice investigations this one into the minneapolis police department which could result in a consent degree. Which could transform policing within that department that used to happen under the obama administration. Of course it did not under the trump administration. We had samson young way on here last week. Talking about all kinds of transformation. A local reform state reforms budgets police budgets. That have been cut. I talked to savante myrick. The mayor with a month ago. He was on here talking about disbanding. His police force in ithaca retraining on our public safety officers and of course there were these attitudinal shifts that you were talking about in public opinion. You know white. Americans have become more likely than in recent years to support the black lives matter movement to say that racial discrimination is a big problem and to say that excessive police force disproportionately harms black americans. Now like none of this is to say as you pointed out that like systemic. Racism isn't still deeply ingrained in almost every single aspect of american life or sitting here talking as twenty year old dante writes family including his son is burying him today. A video of chicago police killing thirteen year old adam toledo was released a few days ago hours after the verdict and chauvin case a columbus police officer shot and killed sixteen year old mikhail. Bryant police are killing black and brown people in america every single day and of course there's always tremendous backlash there is always fear in cowardice on the part of even well meaning elected officials And you know. I don't think anyone should should feel should have to feel good or proud or a mystic. About where the country is right now. I have problems doing that myself. You have to believe that we can change it And yet you have to believe that when enough people's pour into the streets for enough time it can start to change minds and attitudes and especially on the younger generations and that's not everything but it's something you know it's it's a start and i think i think that's what this represents and what these past months have represented is that it is a it is a start it as a step towards progress but progress hasn't happened unless people people stay involved and stay loud and stay on the streets so congressman congresswoman bass is gonna join us soon to talk about having more systemic reform in congress but i do wanna touch on. I the point that you made about the predictably horrifying an idiot response from the right here are fox news stars. Greg got filled and tucker carlson on the verdict. I'm glad that he was found guilty on all charges even if he might not be guilty of all charges. I am glad that he is guilty of all charges because i want a verdict that keeps this country from going up flames. My no politician or media figure has the right to intimidate a jury and no political party has the right to impose a different standard of justice on its own supporters. Those things are unacceptable in america. All of them are happening now. If they continue to happen. Decent productive people will leave. The country is your new. It will be over so we must stop this current insanity. It's an attack civilization an attack on civilisation. So that's what the most popular cable news channel in america is saying about the verdict. I did i did. Enjoy the other. Panelists greg goofy show just can't even contain. Just oh my god. I can't believe we're going through this. Even even the panel. It was even too much for them. America will be over. That is what tucker carlson america. We'll be over. There's only so many times you can say that before. People are like america still here for better. Frankly but still here. Yeah it does seem like it was overtalked even for them right like they're very good at instilling fear and anger in their audiences and sort of whipping people up. But i don't quite know if especially with a case like what we saw with the chauvin case that that really does the trick at least among people who were not already you know just huge racist tucker fans. I think they were basically throwing temper tantrum because they were so jacked up for wall to wall looting coverage for one. I get the a bad outcome and for one person summer in america probably in portland to throw a brick through a window and then it would be antifa and the rowling's we'll talk about all these bills. They're trying to pass in states like florida to crack. Crackdown on protesters because they definitely care about freedom and hit cancel culture and so was just like they didn't know what to do. It rained on their parade. And so they lashed out everywhere they could in the most absurd but on brand as possible. I do want to talk about those. The bills have been passed by republicans in proposed by republican states across the country. They're specifically targeting. Protesters legislatures in oklahoma in iowa have passed bills granting immunity to drivers who hit protesters with their cars. The kentucky state senate passed a bill that would send people to jail for using offensive or derisive words towards a police officer and florida governor on santa's just signed a bill that would make tearing down a confederate monument punishable by fifteen years in prison. So like obviously. This is all monstrous and terrifying. But what do you think of the right wing republican reaction as a political strategy. This is the manifestation of the all the time the decades long republican message that the democrats the liberals people of color hollywood ironically enough big tack are coming to take political power away from white people. That's what this is about. Instilling that fear it is about protecting. You mean this you saw it have you made. It seems like one hundred years ago but it wasn't during the campaign all the crazy trump ads and republican ads about looters coming to your home and destroying things. It's like things are so dangerous that we have to give you the power to run people over to protect yourself. That's how it is right. It is this image of america. That looks more like walking dead. But instead of zombies it's liberal elites and everything else it is about instituting fear in your base to keep them fired up the turn out whether that that's what they've always done. It has a chequered record of success over the years. And you need to do more than that to win. But that is what is at play here. And it's and they need to find these things. Because joe biden does not scare voters in the way that brock obama did or hillary clinton did or they trying to make kamala harris. Do and so they're looking for other ways to get people in their base fired up in afraid that someone is coming for their political power for their culture for their community. I do think once again but the right wing reaction on television that these republican politicians who pass these bills have Over torp things just a bit and may have may have gone a little bit too far even politically. Like i think if you talk to the the median american voter right. They are probably one of these people whose whose attitudes may have been changed that we were talking about in the polling more more likely to support the black lives matter movement. More likely to say that racial discrimination is a big problem more likely to say that excessive police force disproportionately harm black-americans. Those people probably have those same people probably have the view that they don't like looting they don't like you know Destruction to property. They worry about all that kind of stuff right. and that's probably like the meeting american voter and so republicans see that and they think all right. We want them to think more about looting and destruction than we do about systemic racism. And so we're gonna you know fox is going to run their coverage and their be role of fires in portland and all that bullshit. And they're going to try to get people to think about that. But then i think when you're when you pass legislation that says if you go out there and protest then we're going to give we're going to give cops even more power to potentially harm you that we're going to give the state more power that if someone hits you with their car because you're out in the street protesting which at one point i think one intent pulsa in over the summer said one in ten americans have participated in the protests around. George floyd pleased. That is a lot of americans and so now you have a lot more. Americans who have had the experience of either participating in protest or seeing a protest in the idea that there are laws now where someone can heat you with their car and be granted immunity because that's what republicans want them to be granted with and so they're saying it's okay with your car. I don't know that it's going to work as well as they think it might like. Always we have agency in this we democrats which is it only isn't going to work if we make them pay a price for it by talking about the laws. They are not passing. Why what real problems are. They not solving when they are trying to address fake problems. And that's a huge part of it. But i think we often and we. We are very guilty of this as we think of republican politicians as these people who are in on the joke they get. The what's happening on fox. News is bullshit and they are you know sort of masterminds behind the scenes kind of like pulling the puppet strings on the fox news viewers. But we have to remember as the primary source of information for all of these republican politicians. Nine don't just mean state. Legislators in oklahoma i mean kevin mccarthy and republicans in the senate is fox news there are completely high on their own supply. They believe most of this bullshit and so they actually think they are. It's this isn't even grand thing as they have been convinced by tucker carlson through this cycle of absurd racist bullshit that starts at fox news that these are real problems in their addressing them which how they end in this situation. Yeah and like you said at the point of what i was saying. The democrats should not be afraid of talking about this legislation and railing against this kind of legislation. Just because some consultant told you well. Republicans are have have an advantage on the law and order issues because while there may be some kind of advantage online orders somewhere passing this kind of legislation is not it and i think that you're right talking about the there. Republicans are doing this and not solving. Other problems are not working to solve other problems. I do think could give democrats a political advantage. I don't think they should be scared of it at the very least when we come back congressional black caucus chair karen bass. 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Ucr entire career. What your reaction was. You watched the verdict in the derek. Chauvin trial is one word relief early relief. I will tell you that The whole day and leading up to the verdict guez. Since they will win into deliberation. I was just having flashbacks on nineteen ninety two. That's all where we were so sure a verdict would be because it was so obvious what had happened to rodney king. That of course they would come back with a guilty verdict and to see this jury do the right thing. All three Was was very positive. However i will not rest until there is a sentencing. That's done because in the rare cases where the verdict is correct because there was actually charges made in a trial. The judge then turns around and says and gives a slap on the wrist. And so i want to see a derek chauvin. Get the absolute. Maximum for torturing george floyd debt. I think your experience in your in. You have written eloquently about what it was like to watch that rodney king verdict really puts in place. I think for a lot of people who may be new to these issues or service earn focusing on structure racism in the prompt with police violence against black and brown americans since the murder of george floyd that this is a question of that is progress but there was a lot more to do. How do you think that this changes the dynamics around. Try to get something through congress like your george floyd justin policing act. Well i will tell you that we have a small window because you know in our american culture. We have very short attention spans and we have to strike now which means we have to move our discussions from informal discussions to negotiations. Make a deal and put a bill on president biden's desk and i believe that we need to do that in the next couple of weeks and there is no reason why we should not ultimately you have passed this legislation. The house twice. It has been stalled in the senate remained stalled in the senate depends upon getting republican votes because of the existence of filibuster. Do you have renewed optimism or additional optimism that you could make more progress now since the verdict on there's been reports about senator tim. Scott talking about bipartisan negotiations or at least conversations. Where does that stand. And what are sort of the issues that remain to be dealt with. Well i absolutely have additional Hope at dot com renewed additional because i felt strong before and And senator scott. And i have been in. Communications will for You know the republicans in the problem solvers caucus josh gottheimer who heads up on the democratic side so the next step is for conversations to be formal and An un- To look at the big issues and so one of the biggest issues is qualified immunity. Well let me to say. The biggest issues are based on holding officers accountable Derek chauvin was looking at the girl because she was a girl who was taping him. He didn't have a problem looking at the camera because he didn't feel he had a care to worry about. And so making it making the profession of policing raising up to like any other profession. could you imagine doctor. The didn't care if he or she went in and operated and didn't care whether or not the person came out. Okay or left an instrument in the person's botany they were killed and the public knows there's malpractice lawsuits there's State registries where you can look up to see whether your doctor has been. You know sued and policing needs to be in the same way if dr i mean if lisa officers. Not that they would be held accountable. Maybe we wouldn't have so many officer. Involved shootings dan you know. Since march twenty nine was the day the trial began. There have been over sixty officer involved shootings since george floyd was murdered may twenty fifth. There have been over a hundred that have been have resulted in depth. At some point we need to take a break in our country and say why do police in the united states in our log in so many shootings y you brought up the issue qualified immunity which was the the only but perhaps the primary sticking point the last time. There was a debate about this in the senate. If something's gonna get through with ten republican votes or. I'm assuming that there has to be some compromise on that issue if so what do you. Where are you willing to compromise on. What red lines do you have. Well you know i. I won't go into the details of what we're talking about but to me. There has to be qualified. Immunity and officers and departments have to be held responsible in the process of trying to get this passes. They're more that president biden vice-president harris could do to raise the issue of more that our listeners can do to help get people active and focused on this. Well your listeners. Absolutely your listeners can raise the issue on their social media that they want to see the george floyd justice and policing pass and they want the senate to act and i know that this is national and so you should contact your senators and ask them. Where are they won this. do they understand. This is a serious issue in our country and And i think that would go a very long as you point out The problem of police violence and officer shootings is continues. It is happening all the time. In addition to what can be done. Legislatively jenner. you're working very hard on. What are there things. You're looking for from president biden or attorney general garland that can be done absent legislation to to begin address. Some of these problems at least and you saw The attorney general act in just the last days by reinstituting the consent decrees which essentially allow the federal government to supervise. A police department. That is that is very problematic. As a matter of fact he said he was going to initiate an investigation of the minneapolis. police department. Which i will tell you. They have an outstanding police chief there who has welcomed the investigation And so that is something that can happen then yesterday. Of course the need a gupta was confirmed. And i know. Kristen clark will be confirmed. very soon. blows of them are going to be outstanding. Both benita and kristen. I worked with last year. On the george floyd justice and policing and i know that they they will be there ready to to reconstitute the civil rights division because who knows what condition the trump administration lifted it I would imagine not great would be the condition exactly amerifactors. There might not be anybody home but But in terms of the president though you know the president's office I mean the the president's administration has been a terrific. They have not been directly involved but we have been talking to them regularly keeping them updated so i. I don't think there's anything more. I'm certainly hoping that when the president gives has Adr state of the union address that he will mention and let the decision as per usual. Republicans have been Outlandish and ridiculous in their criticisms of this of your bill. Marjorie taylor green a leader in the republican party. These days i guess said that it would castro. The police in leads lawlessness This has been all across fox news and right wing media what. What is your response to that to that. Charge that it. This is undermining policing in. America are making us less safe and you can feel free. Feel free to just laugh if you want. I mean i have seen her I doubt very seriously if she knows anything about the bill is read anything about the bill. at all so I i would have to disregard for her words. And i will tell you that. Our conversations with her colleagues in her lardy has been extremely constructive and support it. But i think that's a positive sign that this is maybe the exception. Not the rule on this. I actually think she's a bit of a caricature on both sides of the death. Before i let you go is there. Anything l. Say didn't ask you about or something you wanna. You want our listeners know about your legislation and the work you've been doing well you know i think in our country we need to take a moment and say what is policing in the united states. Why is it so militaristic. Why do police officers immediately jumped to shoot. I mean the young man that has been laid to rest today dante right you know i mean. They stopped because his tags expired in a state where many people's tags expired because of covid the department of motor vehicles is usually been shut down. I never knew it was against the law to have air freshener on my mirror. Obviously they didn't need to ever stop him. The police officer who had been on the force for twenty six years made a mistake between her handgun in her taser. So this is a moment. I mean i obviously want the bill to pass but so much more needs to be done. And it's really a moment rose to stop and take stock of policing in the united states. I've been working on these issues for over forty seven years. Oh and by the way. I read a document today that was written by president truman. Talking about what we tally. This has gone on for generations. Will it become unacceptable for so many americans to die dan. If this was another country we would be open arms about human rights. Why isn't the killing of black people on a regular basis by law enforcement viewed as a human rights issue when it happens in the united states that is very well said that is exactly right congresswoman karen bass. Thank you so much for joining us and thank you for your leadership on this issue. So many other. Thanks for having me on. This episode of positive. America is brought to you by four sigmatic. Wellness company is well known for its delicious mushroom. Coffee forcing much from coffee is real organic. Fair trade single origin. Arabic coffee arabica arabica arabica. I will never. I will never get it for as long as i live doing. Arabica with lion's mane mushroom productivity in giaga mushroom for immune support. I've been starting my day with forcing medics. Mushroom coffee with lion's mane instead of regular coffee and i love how it helps me focus so i can get shit done. It's amazing and You feel an uptick in your productivity. 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Good the state of the planet is not good. No that's bad. That's very bad but the news about we're going to do about it is potentially good going to give it a potentially. Joe biden is convening a virtual global summit of over forty nations today. where he's expected to announce the us will commit to cutting emissions levels in half by twenty thirty a significant increase from past commitments in an attempt to convince other countries to do the same about half of the president's american jobs plan is devoted to clean energy investments electric cars public transportation clean water and climate research and development and in congress at markey and aoc formerly reintroduced the green new deal on tuesday as specific legislation as opposed to what it used to be which is a non-binding resolution. They also introduced legislation for a civilian climate core. They would put one point five million americans to work on clean energy projects and idea that's also included in biden's jobs plan so lots of very big exciting climate proposals out there. What do you can actually get done. Let's start with biden and his team what they can do just without congress. Well first they can and they've already started getting officially back into the paris agreement. That is a very big deal. As was a huge problem for global leadership the united states was one of three countries who were out of the deal that was like us syria and north korea. Or maybe north korea deal. It wasn't a good crowd to be. Yes it's not a list you want to be on. Generally and so getting back in is very important getting. It is only the first step to actually achieving ourselves. What our goals are and getting the rest of the world to do it. Although there is some hopeful signs if you're going to any chance of getting china in india to do more. The united states has to be leading and with president biden in his climate team. They're absolutely can that. The second part is using a regulatory authority on carbon and for clean air. Clean water that that is happening. That begins with reversing. Why a lot of what. The trump administration reversed from president obama and then building on that with even more aggressive and climate-friendly regulations. That is in place. And i think it's worth noting. The team that the president biden has put together on. Climate really is an all star team. A lot of people like john kerry gina mccarthy people who took jobs that. Were you know sort of theoretically below where you would think. They would have jobs because they care so passionately about this. And it's it really is an all star team that's very important which allows you to operate on all these different fronts And then you know the last part which we'll talk about what you can do legislatively because there's real progress that can be on with executive actions and regulatory authority but it's not enough is very dependent on the supreme court not being planted hitting. Sol's which is not something. I would bet on. Yeah i mean they say personnel is policy and there's a lot of climate nerds in that administration here not just in the traditional areas like the epa or the energy department or like you know we had a our. It's basically in almost every single department within the white house. And in the cabinet there are even even agencies that you wouldn't think have traditionally didn't have to do necessarily directly with climate and there are people who've been working on climate issues and who have been embraced by climate activists for their entire lives now working in the white house and trying to basically you know they call it a whole of government effort to combat climate change and use basically the power of the federal government in the purchasing power. The federal government the federal government zealand's a lot of property loans on real estate loans. Auto cars like you have all of that now just geared towards climate change which is which is something new. What has happened to us. We spent years working aggressively to take the phrase whole of government effort out of every press. Release upbeat right. Something here you aren't. It's now you're free of the just on a podcast. I see i see ron claim. Tweeting it all the time about the the vaccination effort and i was like yeah. I guess that's what it is. It's a whole ever. It seems like it would be like raised it. A bilateral something to the perfect example on personnel being policy in the focus on climate is brian. Deese is the person in charge economic policy and the white house. His last job in the obama administration climate nerd. Well he was the climate adviser to he ran climate policy so putting a climate person in charge of the economy is something that ten years ago fifteen years ago would have caused everyone to freak out as politics. What are you doing. And now it's being leaned into in a very way in it you can see it. In the makeup of the american jobs plan that trying to pass climate is infrastructure. The planet is infrastructure when we were working on the second inaugural address Barack obama decided that he wanted you know. Four big themes in the address Around policy and one of the four themes he wanted was climate. Change wanted rest climate change. And i told heather's eichel that who at the time was was running climate energy stuff for us and she literally broke into tears on the phone because she said do you know how she's like. I didn't fight for this though. She's like do you know how how how hard i've had to fight in the government to make sure that we talk about climate everywhere we can and now the president just decided that a fourth of the inaugural address is going to be devoted to just like what happened. What did i miss. Thank him We've come a long way. We've come a long way but we shouldn't get too excited because as you mentioned but like these. The binds announcement that they were going to Cut emissions levels in half by twenty thirty. There is no way to get that done. without legislation. there is no executive action. There is no sort of global climate agreement that can get that done in the united states side without really robust legislation. and obviously. That's much more of a challenge. Markey said that they're green new deal. Legislation is bigger and bolder than what biden has proposed so you have progressives that that want a bigger piece of legislation. meanwhile most republicans still don't even believe in climate change The last vote is scheduled on. It was in two thousand nineteen when mitch mcconnell put the green new deal resolution on the floor to make moderate democrats uncomfortable Though i guess there's been some progress since then lindsey graham announced the other week that he does believe. Climate change is real. Congratulations lindsey graham and house. Republicans are convening their own three-day energy summit. This week dan where they're going to propose. Climate solutions like technological innovation and tree planting tree planting. Do you think the politics of climate change have shifted over time. And where are they today. How have they shifted overtime. Lizzie graham believes in climate change for approximately eight minutes immediately after his most recent election and then he goes right. Back to being climate change deniers. He smells a primary challenge. Coming because in two thousand and nine lindsey. Graham basically was an adjunct member of the white house staff. He came over the west wing so often to try to find ways for he and john mccain to work with barack obama climate change. Yeah very different. Lindsey graham than the one who transformed into donald trump's caddy but we'll put that aside. I'm not putting a lot of hope. The future of the planet and lindsey graham adherence to this quasi new position of his the holiday climate change of definitely changed. If you will you are. I think it is fair to say that joe biden would not be president today without his climate plan. And what i think is so like you can see the politics of climate in this very clear way. Joe biden in the primary ran on a climate change plan that by historical centers was quite progressive but was more conservative on climate than most of the other people running for president and certainly much more conservative than elizabeth warren jay inslee bernie sanders etc. And when he won the nomination with did with relative ease he swept super tuesday. this dates that came afterwards. He could have seen that as validation of his choice to be more conservative on climate but instead working with bernie sanders. He formed a policy task force. He put the author of the green new deal. Alexandra calcio cortez. In john kerry climate task for us and he moved to the left pretty significantly on climate in the general election and he also advertised somewhat significantly and uniquely on climate to young people and a lot of the polling that we saw that we worked on some change research polls showed that the message that was most likely to get young voters who were either. Lukewarm on biden or lukewarm on voting was climate and in a like in racist closest. This was in the states that put him over the top electorally anything. Everything can be attributed to the wind. But i think if joe biden had not been willing to move on climate and then talk about climate. If you remember his interview he was on for thirty minutes. Somebody spent twenty five minutes talking about climate change. Yeah so what i'm saying. Is that interviewed deliver. The presidency is what i'm saying. I was hoping that was the point that you were getting. I would eventually get there. Yes here's a question. Why do you think it is that both democrats and republicans love talking about the green new deal. They can't both be right about the politics they can be. Right about optics. Okay tell we have well. We live in a polarized society where we are white house in. We're heading into a midterm and the first step in a term is firing up your base climate change in the quote unquote renew fires up. Democrats gets young voters involved the absurd false caricatures and conspiracy theories of the green new deal. Get s- republican. Voters fired up and so this is we tend to think of politics. We ended the end of cows right in cavs the end of no more hambleton planes right. You're no more cars ben. Hamburgers right and all that kind of stuff and added that works with their voters. And you know obviously we disappoint you make. All the time it was. The core of the wilderness is persuasion still matters. Democrats took the house by such a large margin because they were able to persuade a lot of people to vote for democrats who had voted for trump in two thousand sixteen. But to even get to that point. You have to get turnout from your presidential year voters up in mitchell and so they they overwhelming victory democrats in the house. A huge popular vote margin. The forty seven seats we won was because you had both you had near presidential turnout among your voters and some voters so the predicate for success in a midterm is turnout and this issue. I think a lot of political analysis still adheres to a much to a very out dated and naturalistic motto. Were in issue is either good or bad. Because you're only viewing it through the prism of that small group of swing voters but have issue now in this day and age can be good for both sides. Yeah and we should talk. I mean there's a brand new data for progress pullout about the green new deal in about climate and this is how they asked the question voters. Would you support or oppose a green new deal. A policy in which the federal government creates jobs and invest in low income communities building energy efficient infrastructure replacing lead water pipes in updating america's energy grid first of all i give credit to our day for progress the way they worded that that's a pretty policy heavy wording right like you're talking about infrastructure you're talking about the energy grid and also it's a pretty progressive. Wording you're talking about investing in low income communities you'd have a lot of democratic consultants and pollsters say or do we want to mention low income communities. We should talk about the middle class all the time right and even with that. Wording voters supported that kind of green new deal the way that it was worded fifty nine percent of voters support agree new deal worded like that. Only twenty eight percent oppose the that green new deal and twelve percent are unsure breakdown. By party you get eighty seven. Eighty seven percent support among democrats sixty percent support among independents and twenty eight percent support among republicans. Do that surprising. No not we've seen polling on this before that is similar and the way that was worded is i think brave in the traditional outdated sense of politics a you include computers etc but jobs getting rid of lead pipes that lead pipes is a people like clean water. People do not want to be poisoned when they brush their teeth they don poisoning. There are people are very anti lead poisoning. That's the kind of political analysis people come here for and so that that that is a very strong place to start but politics is dynamic political messaging dynamic and so you say that they say you're banning hamburgers and cal's you come back and say this i think democrats can definitely win that exchange but that that there you see. The republican number goes up as the republican messaging is delivered to them in many cases. Unfiltered because it's coming through the conservative media and their hermetically sealed ideological bubbles and that will that changes those numbers but i think the takeaway from that in all twenty twenty s. That democrats should not be scared. Talk about climate. They should be excited. Talk about climate because it can. It can in does work for them and nachos with young voters but with a wide swath of the electric. I sometimes you look at an issue in think. all right. Progressives have the policy right moderates might have the politics right kids case on some issues. This is a case with the green new deal. Or i think that the Progressives or right on the policy and the politics. Because i think for a long time more. Moderate democrats had climate policy that was focused exclusively on what everyone has to sacrifice whether it's your energy use or a carbon tax or the car you're going to give up or you know and i think that what the green new deal does. Is it recognizes that climate politics also has to be focused on what people can get from this transformation to a decarbonised economy. Good union jobs. Lower electric bills lower gas bills right like there has been a lot more focus on a lot more investment in some of the communities that could potentially get left behind from a transition to a zero carbon economy and and you know economic justice environmental justice right like all of these ideas that can actually bring a lot of the disparate groups on the progressive side In politics together around a plan. So that you don't have the traditional problem that you have in climate politics of say unions fighting environmental activists right. And you just had you know joe mansion the other day come out in favor of the pro act which would make it easier to join a union partly because he said look if we want to reduce emissions which we do. We have to make sure that there are good union jobs for people either whether they're energy jobs or their other jobs but like you you can start to see both sort of centrist moderate democrats and more progressive democrats realize that if we're going to tackle climate we probably need unity on the democratic side especially to fight whatever the republicans are going to throw at us. I mean this is a true political inspiration ingenious really behind the idea of the green new deal is twofold one. It's taking too crises that are happening in this country. Growing economic inequality and climate change and find a way to tie them together for a solution that solves both problems and that also creates cross issue coalitions to fight for people like it's unions. Who want these good jobs at. Its environmentalists and climate folks who care about the planet. The second thing that it did which is really important as an inverted the the messaging around climate which used to be good jobs in over. Here we're going to do some good planet stuff to we're going to save the planet and in saving the planet we're gonna create all these good jobs and i think that that is a more inspiring urgent message than the opposite so knowing all this what should activists push for what can realistically get done in. Congress you know like we said we've got one trillion dollars in spending in the american jobs. Plan that is devoted to clean. Energy investments Asean ed markey a lot of aggressive activists who pushing for the green deal. Say that's not not enough. What do you think can get done. Well i think it starts with trying to get the american jobs act passed and there's a lot of work to get that done. A trillion dollars in climate spending is a giant deal as a huge thing. And then once you get that then you can build on it. I think this climate core idea that. Aoc and mark. You're pushing and his in. The biden plan is a great idea. Also because it's a self sustaining thing. It creates a room to continually invest in hiring people to do this very important work around. Climate change is something you can see continuing along afterwards because it's hard to turn programs like that off because it requires it means you're going to fire a bunch of people from jobs and so doing those things and kid and i think the lesson of all of this is the fact that joe biden is pushing trillion dollars. Climate spendings having this giant summit just pushed a climate goal. That is so much more aggressive than the one. The democrats were pushing just a few years. Earlier is a sign that activism works in. Joe biden is willing to listen and i think that is a lesson for climate. That is a lesson for healthcare policy. Listen for student debt. Which is he is someone who will listen if you push and if you push you can make progress. And so that's why. I think it's so important that you have the green new deal coming out which is to the left of what biden is pushing but it continues to motivate people and get people to push for something more and so i think continuing to get behind the green new deal behind the bowl that some of the boulder out there will help overtime continued to move that just joe biden but the other democrats in congress syracus. You mentioned your mansion. He's for the pro act which is really a theoretical exercise. As long as he remains opposed to get rid the filibuster by that's but ultimately he's also the person who signs off on energy policy in the senate not just because fiftieth center because he's in charge of the committee and so we have to continue working working working. And i use this in two thousand twenty two because if we expand our senate majority in the house we spend the senate majority beyond fifty which is something that is certainly possible to do then joe manchin does not become the person who decides how progressive conservative climate policy. Is you have someone else doing. And so they should also be a motivating factor for everyone. Who cares about this issue for to get involved in. Get engaged for twenty twenty two yen since you brought it up. We should make the point about the filibuster and how it relates to all of this. Climate is one of those areas that you can do a lot by spending money Which is good news. Busy can do a lot through reconciliation bill but to really achieve the emissions cuts. That you need you probably have to a clean energy standard right you had or or a carbon tax or something if the pass something that is probably not going to be just budgetary. That may not make it through the fucking parliamentarians bullshit And so to really get a full You know effect of the green new deal. We once again probably have to get rid of the filibuster. once again. we are in the joe. Manchin cul de sac or we have been for a couple of months now but but anyway the upside of all this is like you said activists should keep pushing and and joe biden you know he has proven that he will listen before he will still frustrate you at times. But that doesn't mean you can stop and so And so happy earth day. Dan happy birthday. Can i read you. A email marketing. Email got from a brand Yeah good fabrics are good for the earth chest. We welcome the brands to all these conversations about social justice and environmental justice. But just think think a little harder before you put out your yes. Brands aren't right. Everyone have a great weekend. Thanks to congressman karen bass for joining us today and we will talk to you next week by everyone. 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