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Will Newfoundland turn on Trudeau this time?

The Big Story

21:32 min | 1 year ago

Will Newfoundland turn on Trudeau this time?

"If Canada's government is going to change hands on October twenty first we will get the first sign of it on election night in Newfoundland Finland and Labrador yes part of that is because the polls out east close earlier than anywhere else in the country but it's not the only reason this province as as a whole is often pretty red and stop me if you've heard this before in two thousand fifteen it was completely red trudeau and the liberals currently own all seven seats and as much as Newfoundlanders may be disappointed by some of the things that liberals have ever more accurately haven't done in their province. A repeat of the last selection is not out of the question. So what can the other party say to flip a few of those seats and send a sign things are changing what have liberals failed to deliver deliver that their opponents can capitalize on what do newfoundlanders need they aren't getting and which riding in this province is the most likely to be a harbinger Brynjar of what's to come on election night Jordan Keith Rawlings and this is the big story. David Vidmar is the legislative reporter for the Saint John's telegram in Newfoundland where we head for our latest in our lay of the land series the Saint John's telegram is part of the Salt Wire Fire Network Hi David. How's it going. It is going very well. Thank you for joining us from the East Coast. How is the grand experiment of democracy going out there. Well things are I mean changes changes. The norm. I think is a is a quite frequently in Newfoundland Labrador typically. We just came out of a provincial election which is back on back on. May Sixteenth where there was this massive liberal majority where they had thirty one seats in the provincial legislature and that has cut down to twenty which gives them a one seat edge over the you know over the opposition parties and whatnot so that was a that was a big moment obviously for us out here to see that amount of seats being cut down in Atlantic Canada. Generally I mean there's been there's been I it's only Nova Oh Scotia that hasn't gone to gone to the polls fairly recently they went back in two thousand sixteen you know but but we're seeing the Greens obviously making some eat some interesting in roads and whatnot in an and in an MP and New Brunswick they didn't quite formed government but my God did they come close so you know being close to the water being close to you know relying so much a natural resources. I think is is starting to rear. Its head just a little bit here on the East Coast. What are the chances that you're provincial election earlier. This year is a microcosm of what will happen to the federal liberals in Newfoundland and Labrador which were a complete sweep last time yeah and that's always the question you know. How much can we really read it into provincial politics to federal politics. you know it's it's. It's it's not a one to one ratio. There's we'll see how that plays out but I I wrote a story. Worry about this. about you know we can have of course online that talking to pollster. Don Mills Search Area Whatnot and the way that he phrased in terms of whether or not the liberals can sweep across Atlantic on to Canada with all thirty two seats He said that there's zero percent chance that happened on October hangover twenty so couldn't really be more more definitive than that a you know there and in Newfoundland Labrador everyone is kind of pointing at Saint John's east as as really Kinda main battleground. Perhaps even the only battleground. I think the Liberals will still see some success here in Oakland lambreau because we I have never in our history sent sent no liberals. There's has always been at least one liberal. That's insane from Labrador to up to Ottawa but we've sent all seven easier as liberals at twice in our history so there might I don't to be one opportunity Lucy. you know an interesting thing about about. Saint John's is that it's a direct rematch from two thousand sixteen election Harris Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's it's a one to one Nick Whale on it is the incumbent and in two thousand fifteen he beat Jack Harris who was a he was first elected in nineteen eighty seven that he lost real quick in the in the election after that and then he was years for the as the DP leader in the province and became the d. n. p. once again. I believe in two thousand eight hundred I elected and and now they're just having another crack at it. You know in John's east. I remember Canada conventional wisdom at the time which I guess didn't turn out to be completely wise was saying that Saint John's was was the most safe seat in the country for the new Democrats on the federal scale and then you so yeah yeah there was another really tight race so at the time in two thousand fifteen Ryan cleary was was was the incumbent for the MVP going up against the shameless regan whose name we all know much more on the federal a federal thing these days so any kind of went all in on Ryan cleary and maybe kind of forgot about it was just a little bit but this around it does not look like they are forgetting about checkers. You know Jagmeet facing was here before the election was even called so they really seem to be kind of investing there so you know in this province if any district is going to not be liberal liberal by the time October twenty first. It's probably John's east but you know nick. Whale is not going to go down without a fight no question about that so what makes Newfoundland and Labrador because we're doing this with all of the provinces what makes Newfoundland Labrador different from the other Atlantic provinces first of all but from from voters and the rest of the country to the biggest thing for us is that most of the people who live in Newfoundland Labrador live on the island of Newfoundland and most of us who live in Newfoundland live on kind of the northeast avalon which which is you know I'm I'm speaking to you from Saint John's right now which is really about as like it. If you're going to look at what the geography tells you it's as though everyone in on the island roofing like gathered as far away from mainland Canada as humanly possible which is essential for something but yeah which you know we'll we'll get back to that one but the fact that we are such big island really doesn't make us unique. I guess be is obviously an island is in the it's in the name but we you know we really are massive expensive land with a with a with a relatively small population by five hundred twenty five thousand people according in the two thousand sixteen sentences counter counted here and one particular thing that makes us unique across the country is that that population is going down the demographics of Newfoundland Labrador. We are getting older faster than anybody else. I believe that the the average population or the average age of newfoundlander right now is like forty six years old and by twenty forty. That's GonNa that's GONNA go up to above above fifty yeah. It's you know so we're getting older and the fertility rate is is is downward. We're dying faster than we are being born for one thing and then on top of that to oil downturn turn in say twenty two thousand fourteen twenty fifty and really really hit this province hard we in the last provincial budgets and twenty eighteen. We made a billion dollars off oil and gas. Ask and you know that's that's all guests are inter. Inter the royalties one for the government you know and that's on a pretty average price of oil. You Know Beckon Twenty before early two thousand twelve twenty fourteen or something like that. was you know we're looking at over one hundred dollars for a barrel also so my God we had money and now we don't so we have people people who are literally dying and not being replaced and people are leaving so the demographic challenges for Newfoundland Labrador really what's it's top of mind. I think that at this point. How does that impact what voters want from their government. What are they looking for right. Now that other younger younger more prosperous provinces might not well. This is a maybe a little bit of Jason here but but but but the main thing that we're looking for I think right now is is support from the federal government when it comes to Muskrat falls because that's the other thing that makes particularly unique in the country you know we talk about large hydroelectric dams you. I heard a sightsee and whatnot but but Muskrat falls was started by the provincial government or sanctioned in two thousand ten and at the time that the the sanction to the to the population or the the number that was put out there for the cost was six point two billion dollars. Not You know not a small chunk of change at the time for a prophet to five hundred thousand people now. It's twelve point seven billion dollars and there's a real risk that electricity bills in this province are going to double as a result of this and you you know the provincial government people were trying to work in trying to figure out how to how to prevent that from happening and one of the direct ask that. I think it was a little while ago. The finance minister just made a direct call just before the election actually the finance minister. Tom Osborne made a direct call to all party. Leaders saying we need money. We need about two hundred million dollars a year from the federal government a direct federal subsidy to Newfoundland Labrador's power bills in addition to about another half billion dollars annually that the that the province is going to have to come up with on its own court to try to to try to keep electricity rates down but but you know we need a commitment of two hundred million dollars from the federal government and so far none another federal leaders have kind of explicitly committed to that outside of saying you know we commit to working with Newfoundland Labrador on this particular issue so that I think think is kind of the biggest barrel on that. We're staring down so to speak right now that we need the federal government to help out on what about the things that the liberals promised would would help Newfoundland and Labrador back in two thousand fifteen you mentioned that may be only one of the seven seats there is really endanger of flipping to Newfoundlanders feel that that they've delivered in any sense on on what you were hoping for well they have and they haven't the funny thing about covering federal elections in duplan. Labrador is that you know we're sure we've only been in Canada for seventy years more so you know we we only have seven seats. We only have half million people so you know oh comfortable election time. We don't tend to hear a lot of really kind of detailed promises that are specific to Newfoundland and Labrador here one of the things that the liberals did come through on was there was a search and rescue center here in St John's that was closed down under the Harper government and shortly after the liberals gained end they went ahead and reopened opened that one so you know with the province as large an enormous has nine laboratories and Lord knows how cold North Atlantic is out there that was a search and rescue is a big deal here because we still have a lot of people on the water that was a commitment that they did follow through on and went there but one thing that they did not follow through on. That's playing out at this moment. Moment is is hesitant with municipal wastewater. There's a river head wastewater facility. I won't get to down in the weeds on this one but basically just you know in two thousand twelve there were some rules are brought in to say that you need to bring wastewater standards up to a certain amount and that means. There's going to be upgrade so just joking down here in two thousand fifteen and said hey look at that thing. We're going to give you two hundred billion dollars. That number just keeps popping up with something about two hundred million dollars really really popular but he committed that money that I was gonna come here and and when he was here about two weeks ago he committed that money again because it's not done and it's not just John but here's this concerns with the municipal wastewater one of there's places all across the province so we're facing the same same issue of raw sewage just being dumped into lakes. It happens here here in in in a number of municipalities because the municipalities don't have the the money themselves to do these expensive upgrades and the federal government hasn't put in hasn't put in their share at this point quite frankly so so you know in terms of what promises haven't have happened to and we're still going to wait and see what happens with with yet another province on wastewater that we got from trudeau ago so it's there's a there's a lot of reasons that I think that the federal elections take a little bit of a backseat here a Newfoundland Labrador because we're it quite frankly not as engaged in its by the you know by the way the parties who are running their largely due to how how far away we we are how small we are so we don't really get a lot of attention is what it comes down to well that was going to be my next question. Anyway is a lot of this election so far has been defined by scandal candle. I buy a SNC level and obviously men by the Liberals Bernird some opposition research about multiple conservative candidates and then of course course Trudeau's Brown face and black face scandal and from where we sit in Toronto it can feel that that dominates so I'm always interested in in more remote I would provinces that have more specific needs if that's a deciding issue for people or are we kind of an immediate bubble. I mean I think it matters to people you know. We're we're. We're seeing some of the national polls one at that. Don't seem to so much of a tick here and there for Trudeau. He's seen a dip. It was on the national scale. It's been written about and talked about plenty here in Newfoundland and Labrador but but the thing about Newfoundland Labrador and Atlantic Canada in general is that we we are really really white like I think it's ninety. The most diverse province I take from the twenty. Eleven cents is so we recognize. This isn't the most up to date number but according to the to the twenty eleven cents is the most diverse province in Atlantic Canada was Nova Scotia at at ninety. One percent white white or Caucasian candidate is is is you know we're we're primarily there there so a lot of people that I spoke to locally are suggesting that Oh asking why is this a big deal there and it's it's because we don't have a lot of people living in this part of the world that have you know an experience with black face racism of an understanding why that is such a such a problem you know and as such a racist action there so in that particular scandal in terms of in terms of how it matters you know. It's definitely going to take you know take votes while I mean I don't know and how can you really say anything definitively but but but I mean I can't imagine that it's not going to move the needle. But how much is it going to move the needle you know for people who maybe aren't super duper engaged in federal politics to begin with who don't have a symbol oh of lived experience to the people who who might have been directly affected and offended by this and then to some of the people who I've spoken to from you know from from progressive organizations and whatnot here in the province. They're saying forget about that. Let's talk about you know about a transportation institution into infrastructure. You know about about jobs. Those are the things that are going to matter to round newcomers one out of here so obviously it's complicated. Obviously there's a whole lot to it but it is jack error is going to win. Saint John's because Justin Trudeau mates really really really really really bad decisions back in the day probably probably not but you know but but jobs elsewhere well what could have him winning Saint John's east. If there was I mean you've mentioned money for for wastewater but if there were other issues that conservatives offenders share is coming to newfoundland before the election and he's promising missing things that would actually move the needle for Newfoundlanders. What's he saying. It should be something about Muskrat falls. You know once again about about federal support worked there. You know it. It's it's a provincial lead project but it was but there was a two point nine billion dollars in loan guarantees that were guaranteed by the federal government so the federal government has their finger in that you know has has a role to play their you know if if he were to come down and say do not worry about your electricity rates we got us and that's not even specific the sheer. That's that's. That's where everybody any party leader. If they're gonNA save you know don't worry we will bail you out. Hey money helps. Always you know yeah yeah. Sometimes you gotta see the Federal Government opened up the box dreams or over the strings. I need to say and we haven't seen it. You know we I ask them directly. Ah You know about it so that's the big issue because as it stands right now if people's electricity rates do double than people are literally in Newfoundland and Labrador Obrador in Canada in two thousand nineteen you're going to have people who are going to be choosing between heat and food you mentioned off the top one talking about Atlanta candidate in general that you you know the green parties made huge inroads in Pi and Atlantic Canada in general and I just wonder are they a presence in Newfoundland and I know the MVP has previously been a presence in Newfoundland Finland but all around the rest of the country were increasingly talking about a two party race and is there any chance of a third party playing spoiler in Newfoundland will the Green Party the funny thing about the Green Party not here I believe they do have a seven candidates or if not they have you know five or six. I'm not sure off the top of my head here but the Green Party is kind of nonstarter in Newfoundland Labrador in terms of their interests of their popularity because they have they haven't expressed anti-seizure hunt stance in their products out that they oppose the seal hunt and obviously the seal hunters is he's controversial here and there but in this province we supported in this province province is it's hunters or going out on the ice and taking what's there naturally you know and maybe with well primarily with guns the image that you see see their on screen white coats that are super super cute and cuddly those ones aren't the targets of the seal hunt and has been a lot of frustration over the people. You know who who are or are not recognizing you know at so anyway hill a little bit of a tangent there but but context. I didn't know that yeah that is the the that is the the number one roadblock for the Green Party and and I did actually talk with me about this. you know and and the basic stance is that well here's the funny thing about about kind of the Green Party policy there it seems as though the Green Party policy to say that the leader will not dictate and what issues the integrion. MP's would end up on and we saw the kind of Biton bite them in the rear. You know when it comes to comes to talk about separatism and when it comes oh you know maybe even reopening it would abortion debate. You Know Elizabeth May's kind of kind of stance there was was they can do what they want. You know I'm not gonNA stop them from opening up these this conversations and and and that policy which you know burn them here and there in the media there is also their defense mechanism against a about their dicillo hunt pitch because Elizabeth would just say while you know a a newfoundland and Labrador Greenpeace would have every single right to support the Green Party. Maybe even if the Federal Green Party opposes the seal hunt and wants to shut down so you know they have a they have a well known candidates in Avalon. His name is Greg Malone from Costco and wonderful grand band Jane and he's. He's run a couple times. You Run for city council he's. He's never had success on on the on the political scale. Oh and fun fact. We talked about black face. He also wore black face as part of what part of a sketch that he did. I think it was I think it was twenty eight days when when when it hits media here with all respect to the Greens and you know and and I know that the Green Party supporters you know here in the province but in terms of them playing spoiler in Saint John's. These are really any other part of the province. I'M NOT GONNA hold my breath personally so if Canadians are watching the early returns because you guys are I on election night. They should just be looking at saint. John's east to get a a sense of whether or not true is in for a good night or a bad one. Yeah you know that's where it will literally start because I think that would depending on how quickly the count that might Steve I decided writings is Saint John's but but yeah nick whale and holes on there. That's a good indication that that they're gonNA do okay here. you know if if these does change hands. I wouldn't necessarily read that as kind of overall condemnation of you know of how they're gonNA do but if a second writing in this province where to switch switch to the role that would earn your way from liberal to say that would be pretty jaw dropping that hotel a lot if I if they manage lose more than one sees a here in Newfoundland Labrador that's wouldn't I think that they're going to be shaking in their boots up in Ottawa. Thanks for this David. Thank you so much for having me David Marr legislative reporter at the Saint John's telegram and that was the big story another episode our our lay of the land series if you'd like you can head to our website the big story podcast dot. CA and right up there in the header Mary section where you can get all of these special episodes Komo before the elections. You know what happens if you'd like to talk to us about what's going to happen where or tell us who we should interview for these things up at the big story. 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CRUDE 6 - The Devil in the Deep Blue Sea

Commons

30:06 min | 1 year ago

CRUDE 6 - The Devil in the Deep Blue Sea

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Check out those titles at your favorite audiobook, provider or head over to penguin Random House dot CA slash indigenous voices. It's Valentine's Day, nineteen eighty to the ocean ranger an offshore oil rig off the coast of Newfoundland is riding out a storm. The weather off Newfoundland was bad. The see was what the weatherman, call state, eight waves were fifty feet high, the wind blowing seventy nine at eleven thirty pm, the weather observer on the ocean ranger filed a routine report saying that the storm was extremely heavy. But everything on the rig was normal, it wa- severe storm about not, which I call it an exceptional stole. The storm was pushing waves to a maximum of seventy feet and winds to about seventy knots. The ocean ranger had withstood worse. Waves are slamming into the portholes on the ocean ranger. There's just a few inches of glass between the Atlantic Ocean and the rigs balanced control room. That's the room responsible for keeping the rig stable, a wave strikes. The porthole and it shatters. The ocean pours in. We have water and glass down here. Two minutes later. All of the valves here on portside are opening by themselves. We need EL electricity down here. Shock on the panel. Something happened in that room, the control panel, malfunction or the crew tried to manually keep the rig stable made a mistake. Then it happened someone tried to operate the balanced control, panel four were tanks flooded and the rig began sliding into a list. The ocean ranger is listing and it's difficult to imagine what that looks like the largest and most advanced oil rig in the world. Twenty five thousand tons of metal is leaning to one side in the middle of a storm three hundred kilometers away from the nearest shoreline. We have the art deco ocean ranger. Experiencing severe list of about ten to fifteen degrees in the middle of severe storm at the time request assistance eighth up the ocean. Ranger is in trouble. Schrader Jackie there. Could you give it to anything? We're listening badly and to get to be. At one o'clock, a radio operator had received the message that the personnel on the ranger where off to the light bolts was the last message. We'd heard from the ranger. Good evening. The biggest oil Regan the world, the rain calls ocean. Ranger is lying at the bottom of the sea, it collapsed, and sank off the coast of Newfoundland in fierce Atlanta. Gale three lifeboats went to the water. It was cold enough that the ocean, spray froze instantly massive waves bore down on the vessels, helicopters. Couldn't get close enough, but it's supply ship called the C fourth Highlander got near enough to a lifeboat that they could see survivors. From the sheep wool of highlanders, saying that he had found a lifeboat and it did have survivors in it, and they was alive, and then he was trying to get along side. Guys screaming for help things pretty refunds of it was extremely similar. So he had to snow. Freezing spray water coming over the deck. I guess we can be looking at viewers among them, too. By the time we got the Highlander their life, quotas and upset. The men gone in the water and one way or right there. They were just there was just born in the water, there wasn't. There wasn't survivors and there was only one. That time is normally never saw demonstrate bought his before all at once. Just look and try to figure out what's going on hope something be held to get what to a minute alive. But. Nobody got anybody. It's very, very sad duty to tell you fishery the ocean. Ranger is lost where eighty four people aboard. And at this point in time, we certainly cannot hold up, much show survive. It wasn't supposed to be like this Newfoundland and labrador has always been one of Canada's poorest provinces. So when they discovered a massive oil reserve just off the coast politicians were determined not to blow it, it was only three years later that the ocean ranger sank to the bottom of the Atlantic taking eighty four men down with it. But this isn't just a story about a nautical disaster. It's a story about what happens when a poor province finds commence riches just off its coast and how that promise of oil wealth can twist history around itself. It's about a place that swore up and down it wouldn't fall into the room and bust cycle. Every time I say anything about I always say that it's on top foundation built on resources and then promptly did just that come down for province that was a washing off shore revenue for several years now. Even worse off than it was after the cod moratorium two decades ago. And it's about the kind of magical thinking that takes hold when political leader start to believe that oil will be the solution to all of their problems. 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The story of oil in Newfoundland began in nineteen seventy nine when oil was discovered offshore. There are rumors of a major oil find on the Grand Banks and land for half the largest oil discovery ever in Canada news conferences are being shuttled and oil markets across the country are booming. But for Susan Dodd, it's a story that begins with a phone call on that tragic day in February of nineteen eighty two. The first part is remembering the phone ringing at, you know, what would have been the middle of the night to o'clock in the morning, but I learned that later, I was in bed and heard them big old farmhouse, and with no heat. My parents were horribly cheap about heating the host and the so here running down the, the hall dance phone and then you know, just the tones voices. You know something's bad. I five figured it was my grandmother, who had been on. Well. And then I didn't I wasn't to call to go to school in the morning. Her brother, Jim was a rig worker and even out on the ocean ranger that day. I remember that looking out the window, and mom saying, well, you might as well tell her and. So then we went into waiting moat, which was what did that say something like the rigs in for you? Gyms rigs in trouble, and we're waiting for news. It wasn't long before Susan realized she would never see her brother again. They were still doing a search. But my dad had flown with the he was a navigator in the air force. So I think he he knew what the chances of anyone surviving that would have been I think he knew early on. Jim was like a lot of the men on the ocean ranger that day he was young, and he came from a place with high unemployment, and he was willing to do dangerous work out on the open ocean for these, especially these young men, they needed to have jobs in a way in order to be considered human almost. So they would take any job that was available and they. Would put up with conditions that I think any reasonable person would be able to see where dangerous though, Jim was Nova Scotian the vast majority of the men on the ocean ranger were Newfoundlanders. My name is Daniel Bryan. Was born at Sinclair's hospital, Saint John's new flam school up there, too Sonny outside of the west, Saint John's, Danny worked the diver while going up. Newfoundland, of course, surrounded by water from Saint John's spent a lot of time out in boats when I was a kid stuff fishing, the one thing, I always, farmers produced intrigue me from an early age was scuba diving after going abroad to work on other oil rigs Dany fan himself working on what was the largest, most state of the art oil rig in the world, the ocean ranger. But the rig had a reputation before it sank workers, jokingly called it, the ocean danger safety, gene was terrible. It was visible not peoper on happy, the Americans who ran the rig looked down upon Newfoundlanders. So these people were sort of like a very Whitney. Attitude approach to things. Danny seen things go bad on the ranger before in October of nineteen eighty one I went to vote it was urgency was a complete calamity to cover. Chore workers, weren't properly trained for evacuations the Riggott self had design flaws, and there weren't, even enough lifeboats Danny knew that if something went wrong, a lot of men could die even after a botched evacuation just a week before the disaster, the American managers, maintain that the ocean ranger was safe. Here's Chris CUNY who worked on the rig speaking to a documentary crew. It is hard nosed tool pusher. Was trying to dominate the safety meeting. You know by saying this recant sink he didn't say he more yell at can't. Thank. You know this is a. Big semi SABA, semi saw Mercer bull in the world, and there's laughs and guffaws, mostly from fishermen, who had been on water away, longer than this guy had after the ocean ranger sank Newfoundland went into mourning the bodies of many of the men were never recovered from the Atlantic Ocean, and two divers were also killed trying to move the wreck Newfoundlanders demanded answers in the provincial and federal governments held a joint inquiry shortly after people watched it on TV was, it was a it was a big deal. And it was a very public way of airing the responsibility. And. Showing the kind of public prosecution system, at least interrogating, the people who are responsible for this. Right. They at least had to show up and face the community. The reasons for the disaster will be familiar to Commons listeners, lack of regulation, a cost cutting culture that emphasized profits over safety inadequate training. So you've got all these untrained people being put on what is both of us all, and a drill rig where the side, the marine side was completely ignored by the people around that, right? The lifeboats didn't work and the guys weren't trained to use them. The men who were responsible for ballast control for keeping the, the rig fable retrained, quote unquote on the job, which effectively meant they weren't trained. It was a shit show. Susan says that it's the Newfoundland and Canadian governments who share the most blame the ocean had just swallowed. Eighty four men and the huge majority of those being Newfoundlanders and. They. Responsible for because there was no regulation in place specific to offshore work. It only been three years since oil had been discovered offshore, and you could imagine that disaster of the scale of the ocean ranger might threaten to kill the industry outright, but oil companies politicians, insisted the drilling continue. And that's because compared to the rest of Canada, Newfoundland and labrador has always been relatively poor but could change that all oil has always been seen, as if not the economic salvation of the province, then certainly one of the most important factors in its economic celebration. My name's Shawn category. I'm a professor of history memorial university in the beginning Newfoundlanders were split about oil. Here's JD house, associated speaking in a documentary from the nineteen eighties. The initial reaction ninety seventy nine it was was kind of two sides. One was great. You've. For new found some people going out and mortgaging their homes or to buy shares in Gulf mobile zone. On the one hand on the other hand, though, there was a reaction kind of a fair within the society of what's his big, boom, that's coming going to be doing this, the government pushed ahead. But when the ocean ranger, sank Newfoundland's, new oil industry had a crisis of legitimacy when the rig went down there was a challenge. You know, the work that they done was seriously, seriously frightened. And so they had to rebuild this promise of will off shore, oil development as a kind of positive change in the mine culture. That's when the narrative began to shift very quickly. It's a local sentiment developed the Newfoundland and labrador that that was that, when something like this. It was, of course tragedy, the people who are lost on the ocean ranger were considered almost martyrs. Martyrs. No longer were they victims of corporate greed or negligence. They were martyrs. The eighty four men who went down on that rig were seen as having sacrificed, their lives for Newfoundland's economic future. And their sacrifice had to be honored. Local sentiment was that, however, we might feel about the need for safety off shore. We couldn't do anything that would jeopardize development by the private sector. This kind of narrative was pushed, especially by the oil companies, and the government onto a province that was still traumatized by the disaster. But at the same time, the ocean ranger story, merged with the long history of naval disasters that have befallen Newfoundlanders, giving it the timber of inevitability. We are speaking to a community that is steeped in all of these songs, and these stories of a kind of heroic loss, and the open fees. And that narrative kicked in eve at the same time as everyone knew that the guys who ran that rig really quite expressly hated, Newfoundlanders, even today, there are serious questions about the safety of these rigs. Daniel Bryan doesn't believe that the issue of lifeboats has been adequately addressed. It is, as I said, depending on the civility, if there's another accident people have to evacuate lifeboats give much chance of them operating properly because of the story failure these boats in two thousand nine a helicopter on route to a rig crash into the water killing fifteen the premier at the time promised to safety review, but it never happened. The number of people that have been killed about one hundred fourteen officered flan is very high price for the amount of activity. That's gone on a glare last year, the north west Atlantic was hit by one of the strongest storms that seen in thirty years. The Hibernia oil platform withstood, the winds and waves, but lifeboats were damaged and the rig never stopped production. But all of these safety problems aren't even the worst part, Newfoundland most far reaching oil disaster with something else entirely. This upset of Commons. Brought to impart by hellofresh everyone's favourite meal. Kit service hellofresh delivers step by step recipes and premeasured ingredients to make cooking, easy, and fun now, if you'd already order to hellofresh box. Here's some of what you'd be eating this week pan. Seared state goes, you peaking pork with garlic sesame broccoli, and jasmine rice, or for the herbivores some veggie chillier, an open faced mushroom melt all of it is simple to make all of it is, delicious into get some of the simple deliciousness right to your door. Just go to hellofresh dot CA slash Commons. Fifty and type in the promo code, Commons fifty that'll get you fifty percent off your first box. That's fifty percent off your first box of hellofresh. If you go to hellofresh dot CA slash Commons. Five zero and enter the promo code comments by zero. Eight years after the ocean ranger sank the oil executives were popping champagne wanting to. Wanting to. The celebrations were in high gear today in Saint John's, a multi billion dollar Hibernia oil project off. Newfoundland is set to go, the oil giant's the governments and the contractors of all signed an agreement after spending more than a decade at the drawing board. It was the same field where the eighty four main of the ocean ranger had died. Politicians in Newfoundland were determined to use this new resource in the wisest way into avoid the boom and bust cycles associated with oil. Here's a clip from that nineteen eighty documentary that looked into the issue are we doomed to keep spinning around in the boom bust cycle until our resources finally give out if we just look at our history, you'd think that we are. But there is one place in Canada, where some people are determined to challenge that history and try to take control of the tornado into their own hands. There's probably no region of this country. More in need of the economic boost that an oil boom could bring the Newfoundland. Labrador paradoxically. There is no region, the country that is showing more reluctance to plunge in, but despite their best efforts to avoid these booms and busts Newfoundland walked right into the same trap part of the reason, why was because of what happened. Just two years later. Good evening. The news was expected. But that didn't make it any less devastating for at least the next two years, much of Newfoundland, bland will lose a way of life. It's a moratorium on fishing for northern cod, Aban that will affect about twenty thousand people, and gut the backbone of the Atlantic, fishery, it's still the biggest layoff in Canadian history, what we started to see from nineteen ninety two forward was the permanent emigration of working age people to other parts of Canada. Many of those young people went to Berta and sketch who onto work the oilfields Newfoundland was now, doubly dependent on crude and just as the story of the ocean ranger change the narrative around Newfoundland's potential oil wealth, also shifted. Unemployment in public debt began to skyrocket oil came to be seen as the singular solution to the province's economic woes. We kind of Sumed here publicly, I think that, well, you know, we don't really have to worry about this so much because we got this massive offshore oil sector that's going to generate all the money that's going to allow us to take care of these things in the oil companies were able to convince politicians that they shouldn't keep royalties. High oil, instead, they should focus on the indirect benefits, such as jobs and consumer spending in for awhile that seemed to work out the specially in the two thousands when the oil price went north of one hundred dollars a barrel, all of a sudden, Newfoundland, and labrador was booming. Danny Williams was premier until twenty ten began to increasingly put all of his exit the oil basket Williams will become incensed, if people questioned the sustainability. Of oil as an economic driver here he is. Arguing with a radio host near the end of his tenure it all of your gone to be nothing left. What about our children? Our grandchildren will guarantee that you can surf the attest to that. You can let you when I can have a conversation. Twenty to twenty five years from now and you'll see what's left for children, and our grandchildren, and as well by, then we will have wind on. We have gas on, we'll have the church Alon. We would have repatriated the upper Churchill lot of wonderful things happening fanatic, labrador, medial need that kind of pessimism and craft coming out of your mouth in the morning 'cause I can tell you right now. Landon, labrador did what many considered unthinkable it became a half province? For the first time it was sending out equalization payments instead of bringing them in. But that didn't last long Sean Cadigan says that the government didn't have a long-term plant so offshore oil royalties allowed the provincial government to put far more into our health system. Education system. More government, employment, and pains, government employees, better, the problem is, is that all dependent on the availability of austral revenues when officer went when oil was, you know, at one hundred dollars a barrel, or more. And so when prices collapsed, from fourteen on, we were left with a significant economic problem, we went into our bust gone was all veterans talk about saving for the future for carefully using this new oil wealth, much of it had been squandered the rigs. Are still operating off shore. But that widespread prosperity that oil had promised has never really come about. Basically, it seems to me that what offshore oil revenue tends to do is like, it's, it's sort of hold some kind of a promise to you, but it's just that it's just a promise and it's always just beyond your reach you think you can almost get it. But it never quite sort of materializes today, the Newfoundland and labrador economy is still struggling some people feared that the provincial government may actually go bankrupt oil itself wasn't what caused the economic calamity Newfoundland labrador has other deep systemic problems. The cod is never come back. The population's been getting older big mega projects failed, but things were supposed to be different in those early years. The promise of oil had been turned Newfoundland into a new Norway to use those resources wisely to save for future generations, the promise of oil has yet to pay off. And Newfoundlanders are the ones who have paid the cost. The memory of the ocean, ranger lives on Newfoundland and labrador in every year. There's a memorial service held in Gonzaga high school in Saint John's for the men who died on the rig. Ted stapleton. Jamin came Thompson. I knew the first time. Susan Dodd went she was asked to speak. I given the honour thanking the community for this event, as a family member. And I went and just raged against oil companies and against the regulators for failing. I still feel that rage very strongly today, she doesn't think memorial services, the place for that. But in her way Susan's trying to change back the story of the ocean ranger trying to grab hold of that history herself and take it out of the hands of the oil companies, and the politicians a few years ago, she wrote a book about it called the ocean ranger remaking the promise of oil. I think it's important to keep reminding people about it and to keep retelling the story and to keep reminding ourselves that when Mace really terrible things happen and industry if we haven't regulated them. It's you know, it's not the fault of the cause MOS and it's not the fault of capitalism. It's our fault for not regulating. The story that many people tell themselves about the ocean ranger like the story, they tell about oil has changed over the years. But for Susan, it's a story about her brother, Jim young guy who needed a job who she loved for sharing books in music with her, and who died in the Atlantic Ocean with eighty three other men, so many years ago. That's your comments for the week. This episode was built on research and reporting done by CVC Newfoundland and labrador. Susan Dodd Mike Heffernan and many if you wanna get in touch with us, you can tweet us at Canada and Commons that C M s you can also Email me are she Canada dot com? Make sure to check out although next week to hear about what's going on in politics today. This up sodas produced by myself in Jordan corners are managing editors, Kevin Sexton, in her music is by Kevin Sexton, and Nathan Berlin. If you like what we do. Please help us make this show. You can support us and get adv re podcasts by going to patriot dot com slash Hannity.

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BONUS TRACK: A sneak listen to our upcoming Jeremy Dutcher concert

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BONUS TRACK: A sneak listen to our upcoming Jeremy Dutcher concert

"This is a CBC podcast Dante pod. Let's just want to give you a heads up about a very special episode coming out in a few days a few weeks ago. We headed to Saint John's Newfoundland Finland to catch Jeremy Dutcher live in concert at the Spirit Song Festival and on December. Twenty second you'll get to hear a whole bunch of that show but I want to give you a sneak. Listen now to a song. We couldn't fit into that episode. It's a cover jeremy performed of Joni Mitchell called Cherokee Louise Sure accusees hiding here. The stone and abroad Nominees got flashlights. Because that's the time we used to imagine a COP PSALMS UH People talk and off does can't come art eh us on change Since returned uncertainty in snack by walking through the you get the third degree. Come good and Tuesday have to school. Put Up panties on win. Let's rain when round like Fu look. No heads go back doc. Also Eddie serve a Chebet hiding in turn. Nana Ne- U.. You wish to the place is where I like. It was both me among the street. Uh Jeremy Dutcher covering Cherokee Louise's by Joni Mitchell just a little sample of what's coming your way on December twenty second as we spend the whole podcast listening to Jeremy Armie Dutcher recorded in concert in Saint. John's Newfoundland. Don't miss it for more C._B._C.. PODCASTS GO TO C._B._C. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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April 6: Just when he needs them the most

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April 6: Just when he needs them the most

"Hey parents if you're looking for some screen free family fungal. You're staying home. Check out. The story store podcasts from CBC kids and CBC podcast. Shorties are released every week. These short original and hilarious stories fit anywhere in your day from breakfast to bedtime. The story store available on smart speakers. Or wherever. You get your favorite podcasts. This is a CBC PODCAST. Hello? I'm Carol off good evening. I'm Chris Bowden. This is as it happens. The podcast edition Pat Tonight just when he needs them. The most a newfoundland man says he's been shunned by his community after his girlfriend's funeral was linked to the spread of Kovic nineteen. Put to the test Patty. Hi Do says her. Government is doing everything it can to fight the virus but questions remain about when they'll deliver widespread testing to track it in Canada. Come from the way newfoundland premier invokes the lessons of history and hit musical to deliver a message to the president of the United States. Stay or go. Our guest wants to move her mother out of an auto on nursing home over fears of a future. Kovic nineteen outbreak. But if she does she risks losing a spot that took years to get. He's big on the web a UK man goes viral after he and a friend cheer up children in their luck downtown by running through the streets dressed as spiderman. And Ah Bats three rules of real estate echo-location echo-location echo-location from our daily dip into the as it happens archives the story of an unwanted flying visitor who mistook our guest home for an open house and became an Internet sensation. Due to the filmmakers desperate cries of ketchum dairy happens the Monday edition radio that can admit to just this one bat habit. Shannon Harris needs the support of his small town more than ever right. Now the man from Buckles Newfoundland is mourning. The death of his girlfriend who died of complications from diabetes but instead of sympathy Mr Harris says he's being shunned that's because his girlfriend's funeral in mid March is among a number of gatherings that have been linked to the provinces cove nineteen cases we reached Shannon Harris in buccaneers Newfoundland Shannon. First of all. I'm sorry for your loss. If you girlfriend think you. Can you tell us about the news that you got that the for your girlfriend may have helped? Spread the corona virus in different. How did you feel about that? I was shocked. I was you know I just come home to resume normal life and try to get back into routine of everything as much as I cooled but it was a later rate. I I'd already been here three days. I got up. I was in a good mood. I put on my coffee. I sat down and I was getting ready to check my messages. And there was one message from friend of mine at store which was a odd message and it was like being being and to message in a row. Hey Man can you call me so I was like okay? This is weird lake and so when I call he was like hey man the were you at channels funeral and I was like yeah man. You know it's like well something on the Internet that you should probably see and I was like Yeah I'm getting a bunch of messages year now on talking to you so I guess I'm GonNa have to find out what's on the go so they'll give you a heads up. It's bad news. He's like there was a Kobe case. Confirmed that the funeral and until we oh sure you can't come to the store. Okay man thanks for letting you know. This is your local grocery store and that wasn't the only reaction that you got. You got some pretty nasty ones as well. Didn't you absolutely yeah it was turmoil in town? Everybody was scared that I was after bringing this virus into town and spreading it around amongst the community. It's a it's a completely isolated community. There's literally no way for anything to get here unless came you know travel. How many people in Buchan Scott covered nineteen knowing that people from funeral got it and you tested negative? But does that change anything telling people you tested negative. It didn't that I there was so much. I guess malice and discontent here like. I don't know they thought that I didn't have any community. Spirit will say. They thought that I didn't have the community's best interests that hurt so it wouldn't hurt me to hurt them. But why why were you to blame for what had happened at the funeral home? I wasn't that's that like. Why did they feel that you were to blame? I? I don't know I really don't know 'cause it's spread from a social media post to community knowledge to community discontent is now. I guess there's no now known to be one hundred and forty three cases linked to that funeral home. That's about seventy five percent of of all of the cases goal and you're in your community. They feel. Somehow you brought it in. I guess so. No one in your family has because come down with it. No and what about in your girlfriend's family Eight of her immediate family tested positive and Knowing the last positive result came back yesterday afternoon. Does your girlfriend's family blame you as well. No not at all. So it's just a community. Did you think that by now? Things might have gone back to normal since you had the negative response uncovered. It's just mixed mixed emotions from people like some people you know they talk to me like the normally would and other people just kinda stare at me as if on STU coburn plague your your girlfriend died of non covert related illnesses. She had right. Have you got a chance to grieve given all this? I head grieved during the week of the funeral procession and it was it was a beautiful beautiful service like. I mean it was amazing. We had people singing and and it was just. It was a tremendous sendoff for such a beautiful spirit. And has all. This overshadowed your attempts to remember your girlfriend. It'll never overshadow my remembrance of over at all I mean for past twenty years. She's been born of if not my best friend in the whole wide world cesary. Just finally what what would you say? What advice would you give to other communities Who when an outbreak like this happens. What would you? What would you like people to understand? Get all the facts of the story before you attack the Person Family. I mean like I. I'm really I'm reeling. Still from all of it and I mean up until I got the last call from the Department of Public Health to say okay. You've been completely clear I haven't been able to relax because I mean at that point. They were still telling me that I was. I could be contagious. Or It's been so scary. I mean and we got so many friends that have been affected and their children are affected. I it's just it's like the worst ripple effect you could ever imagine from one thing. That should have been a celebration of life so I guess what I want. Want people to take away from. It is consider everybody else before you make an assumption Shannon. I'm sorry all this has happened to you in the wake of what happened to your girlfriend. I appreciate you telling us the story thank you. Thank you Shannon. Harris recently found out that a number of Cova nineteen cases have been linked to his girlfriend's funeral. In mid March we reached Mr Harris in Buttons Newfoundland. As cases of Kovic nineteenth continued to rise across Canada. The virus seems to be spreading fastest and most lethally in long term care centers last week Teresa. Tam Candidates Chief Public Health Officer said that more than half of all Cova nineteen deaths in have been among residents of seniors. So it's not surprising that some people are moving their loved ones out of those residences to take care of them at home. Marta Sharpei would like to do that for her mother. Lois Shark as a resident of the extended care medics home in Ottawa. But moving lowest out of the home is not a simple decision for her daughter to make. We reached Marta. Sharpei in Ottawa. How's your mom doing I you know what I can't really tell you that because I haven't been allowed to go see her From what I understand from the home and they always say she's doing okay no matter what you know no matter what. The conditions are. I am grateful in a way that she's not fully cognitive of what's going on. Because then she she would panic if she understood everything that was going on Concerned about my father because he does understand everything is getting extremely anxious. And he's getting extremely lonely We still you know I would still like to take my mother out and have her stay with my father until this whole thing is over. Why do you think it would be safer are better off if you move to out of that home because my father doesn't go anywhere she stays in the apartment all the time so basically she would be? You know quarantined with my dad and his apartment. And there's a lot of stuff Where my mother is saying right now. And there's a lot of patients. I think that all it's GonNa take as one person coming in that has the covert nineteen and they're just going to be able to pass. It's the entire home whereas if she's with my dad it's easier to control his where he's right across the street. He lives in an apartment building right across the street from another home. And what would you? What would he need to do in order to take care of your mom in his apartment? Well my brothers have already discussed it. And we'll be taking care of their food and it's like that and dropping it off My Dad did take care of my mother before she was placed in long term care. So there's nothing really that he has to do. I mean he'd be helping her. You know get outta bed which he did before you know reminding her to take her medication as I said food is something that I'll take care of with my brothers but that's about it. She is like she is able to walk around. She's mobile. She uses a walker but they're not allowed to go anywhere so it's not like it going for these long walks and what are your mother's go conditions. Actually it's all time Now Y- has there been any reported cases of covered nineteen in that in the facility. Where she's staying. No and I've been checking daily and there hasn't been any but I also don't want to wait until there is what we know that there have been at least forty long-term care and retirement homes in Ontario where there's been an outbreak of covered nineteen and there have been about forty forty deaths so far. I I know every time I turn on the news all right listen to it in the morning. I I can't believe what's going on and I can't believe that we're still being told that we're not allowed to take her out otherwise she will lose her bed. You are allowed to take her out. But with conditions what are they. I sent an email. The conditions are that if I take roach she'd be listed as discharged and when I wanted to put her back in again then we would have to put her name back on a waiting list and although they said that they will be giving priority to patients. Who Were there before? It's still going to be a waiting list. And what would that mean for you to have her back on the waiting list it would just? My Dad is able to take care of my mom for a couple of months but long term I. I just don't think he would be able to and I think it would be very stressful. My mom was put back on a waiting list. And we have to go through the process. Again Yeah we agreed to keep paying for my mother's room like on a monthly basis. And they still said No. That wasn't that's not what it was about. It was about the fact that once we take roaches considered discharged. You agree to pay the fees everything that the cost of having that room. If without her in it. And why do you understand that? They think that is not the. They still won't accept that. Well that's what they say but they did send me an email saying that If you take them out. They're considered to be discharged so even though if I wanted to keep paying for Haram that wouldn't matter. They would still lift her as discharged and would give her bed to somebody else. That these aren't this is not necessarily just the the policy of this nursing home where this long term care home. This is the policy of the Interior Ministry. Is that not the case? Yes it is when all of this happened last week I had heard that if you have a loved one a long term. Care that if you're able to take them out you should be considering taking them out. So that's what started this and it wasn't until I didn't think I'd be told no I thought okay. The worst case scenario is they're going to say well can you keep up the payments to hold her spot and as soon as I brought that up. They said No. She's if you just if you take her. She's considered discharged and she has to go through the whole process again. Ah Understanding is that the reason why the government has this policy is because of the shortage of beds the shortage of of places for seniors and for people needing those that care and those homes. And that's why they regard anyone who leaves as being discharged. Do you think that's unreasonable? I think in this day and age. Yes this is something. Nobody's had to deal with before everybody is making considerations employers or let in our place work from home. There's all kinds of things that are happening and I think in this time yes I do think it's it's pretty unreasonable. The other thing here about is how short staffed they are. Well if I can free up somebody then that would be a bonus but they don't say it like that and I also know that if you take your if you take your parents out for say for a summer holiday or for a vacation. They're not discharged. You're allowed to take them out for a short period of time except now. So what are you going to do now? Honestly I don't know I'm just waiting for the day that I got a call or I see on the news that it has broken out in her home because I don't know what other steps I can do You know I've gone to the media. I've talked to my to my brothers about what we should do. And the point is is that we really don't have a choice right now but to do what they say. And that's if we take we have to listen to his church then just finally the the home the the facility where your mother is staying. They say that for so they have had not. They haven't had an outbreak but they also say that they believe that. It's the best environment for you for loved ones and they can be cared for by professional staff with experience in infection control an isolation procedures that. I'm reading from the letter and so do not do not have any face questions facility to to provide that. I've had a few problems with where my mother's seeing my mother shares her room with somebody else so I don't know how they can you know. Do the quarantine and social distancing. I don't think that they were quick to deal with this. They're not equipped to deal with it. When it's flu season everybody in the home seems to spread it around like crazy and everybody gets sick. It doesn't exactly make me feel very confident during this particular pandemic that they're going to be able to handle it if it does happen there. I appreciate speaking with you thank you I hope. Your Mom's okay. Thank you for saying that. Okay Take Care Bye. Marta sharp as trying to move for mother out of her nursing home to lessen the chances of contracting cove in nineteen but if the mother leaves she risked losing her place at the home. We're reached Marta. Sharpie in Ottawa. Maybe you're arguing with your significant other about which season of Ru Paul's drag race to rewatch. Maybe your kids are hugging your computer when you need it for work or to watch Paul's drag race and if you're on your own maybe the fort you made out of rolls of toilet. Paper is no longer comforting but no matter how fed up you are with being cooped up in your house. It could be worse. There could be a bad in there with you. Catch catch him. Jerry catching the backs go. How you're doing a great job there. Extend up there and how to get a mockery of you got the dog. After a behind the drama captured video released by Thai Fleming of Bali. Mccullough Ghent Ireland three years ago a bat had gotten into the Fleming House and tug was urging his father dairy to take action and criticizing his mother. Maureen for her inaction. Tonight we go back to September twenty seventeen when Carol spoke with the Creator and the star of that video from our archives. Here's a conversation with tiger and dairy Fleming tag. I want to start with you. Has Anyone in your town of Bali mcgilla. Gut Ever received this much attention at no one. I put my colleague on the map. I say it'll be business by everyone. Know visit fast as I am. It's crazy home ad it's gotten and you mentioned Ba- dad that's what you're calling your dad dairy your son's calling you. Dad's what are people going? Are you picking up that name bat? Dad Yes I sure am when people are coming into the office where I walk just saying. Oh the guy back man see around. This is all because of this crazy video tags made and posted and so ty describe how the Back Garden into your house. Oh my God it was absolutely not so. My mom was doing the ironing in the kitchen and she went out the back door and she left the back door open and the best came straight in and then ran out to the hall and started looking through the window and see left the bathroom there myself from my dad. My immediate reaction was to take the phone out and start videoing and putting on snapchat and then I hit behind another door in the utility and I just didn't my dad one on one with the best and it just was pure chaos. We're only after getting a poke and we have a week and in the midst of the whole new. My Dad catch the best. The pope his business on the floor. My Dad was in my football shower and he sucks up his knees and it was just absolutely crazy. You you couldn't write. It was comedy now. I just want you said that your first instinct was to pick up the phone and start filming. Wh why wasn't your first instinct to pick up something and try to catch the Bat along with your dad. It was just 'cause I'm always videoing. I'm always doing snaps. I'm assuming Kombi Sketches but my dad and I seen in my sauce and with the socks of his knees and I was like and he was he. Just gotTa Tito a small little t tell you. He wasn't going to catch the bath with that. And I just said Oh my God I gotta get this on as I was doing. I was trying to help promote where I think. I was hindering more than anything I was. He couldn't catch him. I was just trying to get him to get him and get a motor home safely and like my mom looking I. It was just. It was hilarious. Like the whole thing now. Dairy did you. Do you think your son could have helped you. Did you need his help at any point? Let me tell you. My son was scared of the MOM. Oh have sufficed. And that's why he ran behind door uh-huh so he wasn't going to be much help to you anyway. No I haven't cracked but it was right or is that he's interested. He's dead inside like he was. He was petrified reading. You know so. He's he's dead cost like I have to protect the family. Like we thought might be back and you are the man of the house and you were protecting particularly families across even risk in my own life. Dairy your son's teasing you that you picked up a tea towel to start that and cognitive beginning it would be easier like grab with a small 'cause it might my on my first priority like would not have creature that can fly. I think forty miles per hour so I wouldn't let them that's-that's by the time we got a bit bigger so I didn't think for the Bechtel and that's how you find the card now. Okay so you both mentioned besides you and your son and the Bat. There was another character here. Which was your mom and your wife and so and what we can hear in the video. You see what is it? What is it you're saying to your Mum Tag? I was like stop looking through the window. Maureen and wounded back through the window and she says well. How does she putting Your Dad off? He was there and he was looking at her watching him trying to capture the best and I say he was under pressure because the back was panicking around the place so I was went over and I said well you back away from the window please now. Can I point out to you that you were in behind another window doing exactly the same thing as what your mother was doing? I know that's a common thing. Why was he giving them when he was worse than her exactly? So what's your answering that? When my answer was I I was I was I was afraid. Of course that I was trying to man up myself. I wasn't working I. I was behind the door and my mom is behind the door. And my dad was the only fella who took on the back and say they removed him all right. So you mentioned there okay. One more character. We'll introduce into this movie. Which is your little puppy. Basil Basil's where'd you get? That name is after Fawlty Towers was on comedy show. So what dairy what was the? What was the puppy? Doing through all of this is why. I actually had forgotten about the puppy to stage like with dependable. And so I think you're supposed to got a bit of a panic with all that was going on so he decided to take a leak and so I didn't realize this until after I had the socks on. You know two big quake under the socks so in the middle of all this. That basil is peeing on the floor. Yes and tie catches in Tag. What you gave you gave blow by blow commentary of all of this. I had A. I had a bird's eye view of what was going on. I could see my mom. I could see my dad. I could see the dog. It was it was a great vantage point of everything. That was an thank God because we'd haven't known forever and the moment the people saying that they got a good laugh out of us. And it's just an honest kind of fun and and video that people can sit back and just laugh at us and just kind of. It's like your typical Irish family. But I just kinda captured the moments on on video just to a typical Irish family and a bat and the dog and the dog tag and dairy. It's great to speak with you. Thank you okay. Thank you John. From Archives Carol speaking with Tiger and dairy fleming in two thousand seventeen. Hi I'm Leah and I'm Falen you know us as the host of the podcast. The secret life of Canada. And we've got an exciting bit of news for you. We do. We WanNa go to school with you. That's right we are now part of the curriculum in a way. We've teamed up with educators from across the country to create teaching guys that go along with some of our best episodes. We've got teaching guides for indigenous history. Caribbean Canadian Migration Black History Asian history. It's very exciting. It is very exciting and so each guard comes with ad free audio transcripts lesson plans slide shows and a whole bunch of other stuff. Yeah just had to. Cbc DOT CA Slash Teaching Guides for more info at. It's free. It's free this afternoon. Patty Heidi repeated her plea for Canadians to fight the pandemic by staying home and sitting tight but the federal health minister knows. People are Ansi provincial. Premiers are warning that they're running out of protective equipment. For health workers. The trump administration is cutting off. Those supplies and health officials. Say they're still ramping up testing. We reached Canada's Minister of Health. Patty Hi do in Ottawa Minister High. Do where is Canada right now? In our battle with this virus well thank you. And that's a complicated question to answer just because obviously different provinces are in different situations with the corona virus and with their efforts but I will say that obviously many provinces are Ascending curve as you will and the efforts that Canadians are collectively making is the flat curve and to reduce the number of Infections that happened so quickly all at once so that we can protect our health care system and ensure those supports are there for people who become More ill but you know the the line people are citing often that you can't fight it enemy blind and what we're seeing is that in a number of other countries. Some countries have been doing widespread testing even with people who have no symptoms and they have found that a very effective way to fight. This is where we see the the curve flattening earlier than others. Why DOESN'T COUNT ADO. Why don't we do widespread testing here? Well in fact we're one of the top countries in terms of our testing per capita and as our testing capacity expands of course in their parameters will expand in terms of who can be tested. But I think Dr Tamas spoken quite eloquently eloquently about the testing strategy and why it is that testing someone for example who has no symptoms may not give you a good sense of whether or not that person has been infected or will be affected in the future and the strategies have to be very specific to detect in corona virus in our communities As you know and I think today or our number is it higher. But the percentage of tests that we've conducted have shown about five percent of those as positive and that means that we're within the range that the World Health Organization has set of three to twelve percents being that you're testing strategy is accurately detecting corona virus activity in your country and again as we develop more testing capacity different kinds of tests. I think those will be useful in terms of the next steps for how we get ourselves out of this situation. I guess again going back to the idea of you can find an enemy blind. Do you if you have a good sense. Of How many cases we know we've been talking with the known. Cases are between at this point. Fifteen and sixteen thousand in Canada. But you have modeling. You have projections. Why not release that? Why don't we like? Why can't we know what you know so we will be releasing the modeling this week but again? The modeling nationally is different than the modeling provincially. And it's more of an aggregate of what might be happening in the country. The provincial modeling is actually more accurate if you will in terms of what's happening in their own particular jurisdiction and with their own data Certainly modeling is one way to potentially predict what might happen but I will say that. Modeling is really just gives you sort of her. A RANGE OF SCENARIOS. That may happen. And it's very useful for epidemiologists in terms of looking at additional measures that could be applied. And what potential benefit you might get from those measures but. I think it doesn't answer the question that Canadians are looking for which is really what happens next. And how do we get out of? This and modeling is actually more of a predictive tool for Public health officials in terms of. What else has to happen to flatten the curfew? Okay I'll put this to you that on last week Ontario Premier Doug Ford released Projections release the modeling and told people that there could possibly be sixteen hundred people in -Tario who died this month from the virus. Is it possible that a lot more people rob stayed in on this weekend? Follow the rules more closely. Because they heard that I mean the the point people are making. Is that if you let people know if you just hear that the fifteen thousand cases doesn't seem like a lot but if we know what you know that maybe people might be more more stringent in following the regulations and the rules you put out. Well certainly we know that people are taking it seriously in Canada and and actually we can we can. We can see that from the data that we're gathering but listen we as I've said we're we'll be releasing our modeling nationally This week and Canadians. We'll have a sense of of what? The range of possibilities are in terms of outcomes but I will say this I mean I think as we see cases growing communities across the country. Canadians are taking this seriously. They know that the actions they are taking today are protecting the lives of the people that they love their neighbors of their elderly relatives or end up their young relatives and so I think it's. It's to me heartwarming. That Canadians are actually taking this seriously. It's a tough time for everyone. And certainly obviously additional data help but We know that Canadians are taking this very seriously on the issue of protecting do we have do people in the front lines have the personal protective equipment. They need the. Ppa's are we seeing that the healthcare workers. They have what they need we just for Doug Ford. Tell us that that the order of masks that he wanted didn't wasn't all didn't come. You only had a part of that order. Are People getting the equipment they need? We're working really closely with the provinces and territories to make sure we understand what socks they haven't had and what they urgently need as they experience their various pressures on the healthcare system. As I said last week this is an environment where all countries are now competing for extremely difficult to acquire personal protective equipment. We've made some headway particularly on Surgical masks and gloves for example. But we have more to procure in terms of and ninety five masks and gowns. It's not going to be solely Something we can accomplish procuring from overseas. We also have as many domestic Solutions companies have come forward in volume to come up with innovation and way security To produce the kinds of that we need so this is really an all hands on deck moment for Canada and we're completely grateful to the number of partners that are working to procure that equipment for frontline workers hearing you correctly. You're saying you cannot guarantee that they could. We'll have the equipment they need to fight this to what other fighting this virus. I am saying that we are doing everything. Humanly possible including procuring with provinces and territories like Ontario like Alberto like l like DC and supporting smaller jurisdictions even local hospitals to procure from a variety of different sources. And the more that we work together as a country. Larger orders are which enabled us to have a better chance at procuring. But listen we are working as I said Day and night I have to say With all of our partners at every level of government to try and ensure that we can get what we need and we are also ensuring that our domestic production has the capacity has the licensing to go forward and produce equipment for Canada at that site. That's a homegrown solution very quickly. Just a few seconds left. Do you have any kind of projection as to? When the distancing lockdowns might be eased. That's the question that everyone's looking to solve. Certainly I think we'll have more to say this week in terms of some of the strategy about how that might come about. But no I don't have a I don't have a prediction for how long I do know that We are going to need to maintain this for at least several more weeks As we protect that healthcare system as provinces Go through their various urges is very very important that we ensure that not everybody gets sick at once so that we can make sure that when someone gets very seriously sick or needs. I see that there will be the space for them. And that's the work that we're all doing together as Canadian. We will leave it there for now. Minister High do thank you. Thank you very much. Patty Hi do is the Federal Health Minister. She's in Ottawa Dwight Ball offered Donald trump a reminder yesterday a reminder about recent history and human decency the Newfoundland Premier was responding to the US presidents decision to invoke the defense production act to ban exports of key virus fighting equipment to Canada. Here's some of what premier ball had to say in two thousand and one. Our province stepped up in the biggest way possible. When the United States was in crisis after the terrorist attacks in New York Newfoundland and Labrador accepted with open arms. Thousands of people from around the world with no questions asked with no prompting newfoundlanders and laboratories acted fast. They did what was necessary today. We are no different. We help others. That is ingrained in our nature. Since nine eleven newfoundland and Labrador's hospitality has drawn worldwide attention. Especially through the Broadway musical. Come from away so today to say that I am fury. Aided with the recent actions president trump of the United States is an understatement. I cannot believe for a second in a time of crisis that president trump would even think about banning key medical supplies to Canada Newfoundland and Labrador will never give up on humanity. We will not hesitate for one second if we had to repeat what we did in nine eleven. We would do it again. This is a time when we need to work together to continue to protect a residence inn to keep them safe from cove in nineteen no matter where they live or what passport they hold Colvin. Nineteen is a turning point in our history and the people of our province will continue to shy what their kind nature and willingness to go above and beyond for those who need it the most as leader of this province. I am beyond proud more than ever. We need one another and we will continue to work with our colleagues work with the federal government and work with you to do whatever it takes to protect and support you as best we. The time is now. It's by working together that we will get through this thank you. That was newfoundland premier. Dwight Ball speaking yesterday in Saint John's at some condo buildings in Winnipeg the social distancing rules just aren't sticking that prompted one desperate property manager to offer people checks to stay inside their units. Brenda bridges is the president of a company that manages ten thousand Condo residents and apartment tenants. Today she shared her frustration on. Cbc's Information Morning. We get a large number of phone calls from the residents who are truly afraid. The people that are not self isolating. And that are not practicing social distancing Oh about four weeks ago. We've sent out a huge package to everyone telling them what they should be doing. You know not not a riding the elevator with more than one person being apart from each other we're considered boots on the ground and and we were getting calls for help. We don't have any authority to help anyone. So people are calling in both the elevators. What other spaces in the building or people calling with concerns about exercise rooms? We have locked up exercise rooms with input. Do Not use signs on it but people are still breaking into those rooms and using exercise equipment. People that are still meeting in the lobbies. Even though we've taken the furniture way they still meet in the lobbyists and carry on socializing. Can you can you do anything? All we can do is phone them and tell them to stop doing it. We don't have. We have no power to stop anything at all physically matter of fact we have one senior building where we've actually done as we said to everyone that will obey the rules. We'll send them a check for one hundred dollars each month. I've been in contact with the police. Chiefs Office announced that. There's something they can do. But they said until the mayor gives them the authority to actually step in and take some steps they're powerless. What's prompted you to go public with. This had a phone call from a from a lady young. We can't Last weekend and she was just in tears. She said that she was trying to just go into the elevator to go downstairs to pick up a food delivery and there was a man who was riding the elevator up and down up and down and wouldn't let her in and she wanted me to go and help her. There was nothing I could do. All the people just saying it's my space and I don't have to listen. That's just the nature of this. That's what the majority of Emmer saying like basically. Who are you to try and tell me what to do? Even when we phone them a lot of times they just hang up on this thing when they even listened to what we have to say like. I said I. We sent out detailed packages asking them for help. But without some teeth behind it. We're just barking in the wind. Brenda Bridges President of Bridges Property Management speaking with CBC Winnipeg host. Marcy Mark Coosa. This morning he may not be the hero we deserve. But Jason Baird is definitely the hero. We need right now for the past few days. The martial arts instructor has been running through the streets of Stockport England near Manchester. And he's been attracting a lot of attention not because of how he runs but because of how he looks while he doesn't when Mr Berg takes to the streets he doesn't just wear tracksuit or yoga pants. He goes out dressed as your friendly neighborhood spider. Man We reach Jason Baird in Stockport. Davison they say a crisis can show us who we really are and it turns out that your Spiderman yeah well for the time being on Spiderman. How did this get started? It was actually Through one of my employees and good friends at school in Stockport Manchester And obviously through. What was being lockdown? We continue in our pluses for the kids via facebook. Live and zoom over the Internet and on Ju came out justice by just to cheer the kids And all the kids went crazy about it. They looked at so the day after he went to the shops to just get some bread milk and stuff for his house dressed the Spiderman and he's community than just died posting all over facebook. Have you seen by them by them? On so I decided to join in and they went and got my own Spiderman outfit for from birth to a new hot one and then just went out on the daily joke our job and just everyone started going crazy about it in our local community and just spread like wildfire. Now you say you go for your our because in in the UK. You're allowed to go out for an hour of exercise and so you're using that to go around despite a man but I mean do you. Do you do whatever a spider can as the song goes? Do you do more than just run? Yeah well I try. I try to do my best. I'm I'm I'M A. I'm a competent gymnast and Martial Arts and south of the martial arts and so it was five years of age and I'm thirty four now and a set my set my marshall out school when he was seventeen years of age so I can flip and do acrobatics and stuff like that. So when when my legs are so tired Little Spider girl spider by. I always try and make as authentic as possible so do even trying sound. I try my best American option as well But Yeah I do. All the poses the website and game every car that goes past. Make sure and shoot my website every car and lorry. That goes okay give us. Your American accent is Spiderman so I know me say. Hey Kids how you doing the day? you being good. Are you listening to mom stay indoors so I try my best? That's not the best accent you try. We have many American listeners. And I'm sure they're having a good laugh right now. We're GONNA start on following me on facebook now so the kids love you. Tell us about some of the responses. You've had absolutely fantastic. We've got the whole of our area. Now actually dressy not like Spiderman and the whole can I on mine and I went for a jog the other day. Someone was playing Spiderman theme tune like throughout the whole house Full volume. The whole windows had all pictures of spider man all the toys by the money and the window To the point of light people put in just signs everywhere. Every it'd be Kinda cool but like a local celebrity at the moment is we. We've got so many more people now doing the same. An officially going out sticking to government guidelines going out on the road to get the daily exercise. But we've got. We've got buzz light year. We've got Batman Superman Flash. Everyone's dressing which is fantastic. I guess a lot of these cautions including the Spiderman comes with its own built in Facemask does yeah. So that's why I always say make sure and I'm making my videos for the kids Making sure that I am staying expired. He's he's trustee mask on these folks And he's keeping Sultan in place so now it's so a lot of the kids are so down there all cooped up in the house in the. Uk's they are here and So it it must be really something for them to see you come down the street. What what the. What do you think you're doing for the kids? What do you think more than just a moment's entertainment? What what do you think it means for them to see you? I think more than anything. It's just trying to keep morale five I've got two children myself. I've got seven months old so on a five year old doctor and obviously we're in questions from for my doctor. Now say my Kinda see my trends. Why can't I go out and play? Why can't I go to my son's class so it's trying to get a point across stop Obviously the government and everybody's trying to do but in a playful way from Spiderman in the Superhero Book. It's just making them just feel happy and upbeat. 'cause I know staying in the House for so long On the parents are GonNa get a little bit stressed out with trying to school. The children at home Finding things for them to do so I think he's just just keeping spirits. Hi Fi With something exciting. And what is your five year old. Thank her dad being Spiderman. She loves it. She's she's she's actually told all teaches now By what's up I I kept secret for the first time when I actually got changed in secret. Craps out the house and then not until mushroom window. Since she was the first person to see me I'll buy them and she didn't know it was maple up. We've we've had to tell that he's working with the real spider now just to patrol the streets and make sure everyone's say what she She loves it. She was supposed to go with monitoring. We have another Here in Canada in paradise. Newfoundland there's Some of his DEP is spider. Man Doing the neighborhood sharing the local kids. So do you think this'll be a bit of movement? Yeah I do definitely. I thought Pitcher Stephanie. From Japan from Italy It does seem to be now not just stay into the UK. Those teams be going global. Now obviously just encourage everybody to make sure that keeping government rules and regulations and keeping social distance and and obviously not putting themselves in danger and anybody else's well yes and keeps fantastic and Akon everybody enough for all the support that they've given us. Thank you spidey. You're welcome you. Will you stay safe now? All right I hear. Ya By for by Jason. Berg is the owner of the Jason Baird Black Belt Academy and one of the Stockport Spiderman. We reached him in Stockport England near Manchester. You've been listening to the as it happens. Podcast our show can be heard Monday to Friday on. Cbc Radio One and on Sirius Xm following the world at six. You can also listen to the whole show on the web this Goto. Cbc DOT CA slash. Ah and follow the links to our online archives. Thanks for listening. 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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 197: Featuring Terry Ryan + Teddy Purcell

Spittin' Chiclets

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 197: Featuring Terry Ryan + Teddy Purcell

"A new born and bred tonight. I proud to be diana. Nervous by free has been as he's lost a sense. They save in new york. Everybody welcome to episode one hundred ninety seven on a spit and chocolates presented by pink whitney. The pink lemonade flavored vodka from our friends at new amsterdam vodka. Be sure to ask for it at your local paki starting on september i which is just around the corner which also means training camp is just around the corner but before we start yapping about parks and silly some. Let's say hi to the jets for newfoundland week air. It's bitten chocolates produce migrants. How you doing my friend what's up guys recording from my new apartment here. Obviously it looks much better than the other place also also <hes> tons of great newfoundland con- <hes> content coming out this week. Biz has both road warrior so that was a blast and bunch of interviews on tap for today so i'm excited nice next up a boy whitney ryan. That's not your usual background behind you. Wear you right now brother. I'm in the great state of wisconsin. I'm actually pissed off. I didn't have my my hat. We made for this golf trip. That just says golf wisconsin. It's a great hat. They'll really catches your eye so pleasure being here and i got a bunch of funny stories that have already come. I'm to light. We've only been here two days but i always i always i'm a broken record around this golf trip every year that it gets you back in the locker room setting with just eight of us boston in balls and it makes you really miss doing this regularly so it's it's a blast and i'm happy to be joining the voice. I was like there's no way i'm missing this week's episode. I gotta tell l. Some of these stories talk now get cracking on it and last but not least paul biz nasty. It looks like usual homestead behind you. Get a real weak home. Oh i just rolled back into town actually had to go to hermosa beach in order to get a home trip and with biz for the coyotes got brad richardson who just purchased a new home in that area beautiful spot. I got the hang out with jonathan. Quick jeff carter and love watching those fights i mean we could talk about that and a little bit but just a great weekend addre- driving out there instead of flying 'cause sometimes it's nice to hit the open road <hes> get some phone calls on the way and and talk to some people that haven't talked to in a while so a great weekend for me hit some unbelievable restaurants. I forget the name of the greek place. You went to a french restaurant in l. a. It's called republic the public i et cetera it was incredibly went there last night and one of the best restaurants i've ever been to so if you're in that area and you get a little bit of money to spent hit up when you're when you're driving through the desert like that a you of doing it at nighttime. We'll like if you broke down your fucking seemingly hundreds of miles all help. I know that's a scary thought almost ran out of gas. Try before it's a sig aaa that's that's for rich people. Did you see in canada six hour drive back and forth but speaking of a car issues i get back here unload my car and i after toronto my car because it's by a staircase. That's where i do it. I went and parked at my spot and i get a call about thirty minutes later from the people at the office of the apartment complex i live somebody smash smashed my back window again. This happened before when when was that it happened in vancouver before ball yeah that's like every summer that's par for the course vancouver. All the homeless people just rob every car at eight times so they can pay for their drugs but do anything in the back seat. No i just is taken everything out unloaded my truck right so thankfully buddy i just bought a brand new rolex mariner and it was and it was it would have been in there. It was in my luggage right. I just went and dropped a bunch of cash at that a._b._c. fashion store in l._a. Do you gotta get on these calls unbelievable quality with a._b._c. for those. Are you listening. Go check it out very friendly staff there too. They make really really nice clothing so a gift cards. Biz has already from republic blick a a._b._c. It's just like these ain't free free shit for. Maybe seem say rolex seventeen thima fucking times we'll get maybe we'll get grenell. One of those little fucking thirteen millimeter ones the girl wants for zil beatrice so wait is pronounced. Announce submariners was submarine a- like no sub mariner rolex manner will the reason why i had one they sold it but the yeah but the value on it was better than what i bought it for so i made to canada watch for eighteen months but apparently there was an article that came yeah. Oh yeah dude karol <unk> stainless steel watches right now are are are going banana lands this shitty situation. I bought one off larry flowers awhile ago. This was an a._p. This the cost me fourteen eyelid selling for twelve day. They skyrocketed impreza like three months after that and i could've sold it for like twenty twenty one that was a bit of a kick the nuts but the sub mariner. I think i got it for what i get it for like ninety. I got it for ninety five hundred canadian at the time and ended up selling it for. I believe i i think i think it was nine k. u._s._d. But i i'm into the watches. Some people who are listening probably don't give a fuck but the reason i bought another one was because i loved it but they say they're gonna stop making now that could be full of shit and just doing that in order to to get the buzz going again but i had to pull the trigger on another one because i get my hands on it so you are pumped about that. Glad it wasn't in the back when i got robbed. Yeah i'm good with the goodall fucking swatch myself but the wick dog little veracity gone viral with your the little league world series tweet over the weekend doodo my oh i i've asked this ten times before viral is how do you decide like when it's viral. It'll like porn it. No it's all based on numbers. Everyone always says it's based on numbers. Well i would say based on how many followers you have and and the number of tweets and phase you got and versus bottles account which has significantly more. I would say definitely went viral. I just wanted to hear that again. That's a great feeling when you're in our business going. Viral is what everyone wants right for. People who don't know the backstory the little league world series is going on in williamsport pennsylvania and this kid gives up an absolute moonshot to some some is a pitcher throws a complete meatball and the kid takes it to the stars and he's going around and you know now in little league. It wasn't the case when i played yeah. I was on the travel all sorts. You're not a big deal. The whole team comes out of the duggal when guys hit dinger's old school when you just see them in the dugout. I'm pretty sure that was the case so the whole teams coming out and that's the angle you see as he's rounded first and then the camera camera pans over and the kids rounding third and the pitcher who just served up this bomb is giving them a high five as he rounds third and the announcer says look at the sportsmanship. That's awesome. That's actually what really rattled me is the announcer who's just totally like playing into what's happening and i don't know what happens now with coaching coaching and parenting but i'll tell you right now you played a fucking win and there's winners and there's losers and there's a million different examples. Nowadays of people be ian cool just participating and i have no problem and there were people who came at me like from different angles calling me kind of like a dickhead. I have no problem saying if my son plays sports sorts i hope you'll enjoy and loves playing sports and his team loses like he's gonna know they lost. It's not going to be a second place but we got this little trophy like. No you guys lost. That's just how it works in my family. That's how i was raised. That's how i'll raise. My son and i just think it's shocking now like i understand. You're young and i feel i do feel bad. These kids are young. They're not like eight little league world series. I think it's eleven or twelve and i just can't ever imagine being okay with giving up aw home run or getting walked in a in a hockey game or dunk on a basketball game and being like good job. That should piss you off. I don't really care <hes> how how old you are. It's my opinion but people certainly tended to agree on the most part and then there's some people from their kids but it's a mindset and it's the way you end up living your entire life and i just i wish i honestly watch that video shocked. I just thought it was odd. That happened in the midst of the game after the game. If you're in the handshake line hey nice thing off me a tip the cap but this guy's before worrying about why he served up a hot dish pizza to the guy that went yard hard. He's more concerned about falling around the basis in order to get his knuckles them do think e._s._p._n. Tells these kids that they'll get more airtime on camera if they do but good access access sportsmanship i maybe there's a chance of that but like that's that's that goes with the same point that if that's actually the case in kids cared more about won't airtime than winning the game if you're a coach one of these teams and sports you can you can have great sportsmanship and you compete competitor. They are not you know they. They don't necessarily go hand in hand. I mean you can you can compete and be a mother. Fucker play against and be pissed off when you lose an always always be striving for more and also say to somebody hey you played a great game goodwin good game that was i mean you can do both so i know it seems like we are ripping on young kids but it was just it's like. I just can't imagine if that was me. I really can't and busy. I don't know when your dad went to games if if you if you got in a fight and the guy beat you up and you're like you know giving a high five like he was doing. My dad was was more concerned about the social aspect of bringing the games where sometimes i would come out and i was very hard of myself as a player even when i was a kid if i didn't play well. I was usually pouting in the car about it so he didn't have to. I would come out after games like if i went like dash three he'd be okay but great game aim on my dad. Were you even fucking watching discussion beers at the guys up top. I threw two pizzas. There's a reason i got changed a forward for fox sakes in in in case anybody didn't read the tweet ryan tweeted of writer whitney gives up a bomb in the little league world series and congratulates kid while running the bases. He is getting dragged off. The mound driven directly back to boston in an uber splits can cherry on sir. I'm not taking access. That's just reminding him. You fuck uh-huh grouper pool. Hey how's that already takes uber pool in boston ever my buddy. I yeah who's obviously buddy. Took it to you in the fucking thing to know i took when i was still working. Though biz like i gotta work at eleven o'clock clock at night ten minute ride home it was a no brainer to take it but that was my old my old fuckin- gig i don't have to do that shit no more but as far as it could given up the blonde now i could see like after the game in mike you know they were fucking shit bro. You took me deeper than fucking mallon chambers and private and had a laugh about it like i. I'm sure that probably abbas hockey. No like if guys are buddies and mike to up tonight. It's the midst of the action exactly the competitive game that you're a part of its after is no brainer brainer in every sport like oh what play you made their man yeah but the high five round fucking whatever i'm just finding we've given them enough. We've given them enough but the the point was made that you got to compete and you gotta play to win. I don't care if i sound like an old harto bastard because it's a fact speaking of competition. Who says you guys get a chance to watch those fights this weekend i didn't get to i was under the weather a little. I didn't sign up going over. The jonathan quicks place. He's got an unbelievable spot there in manhattan hermosa. I was a little fucked up that night. I got a new mushrooms but i ended up going over there. I was hanging out with a few of the my my old teammates from ontario with the rain and that was one of the better cards i've watched and that is one entertaining fighter. He just slowed after <hes>. He's got a lot of them. The one where he said i haven't fought for three years because everyone's october that was like the marquee quote but <hes> he's very entertaining guy and then on the other side of that. We didn't really talk about that situation with conor mcgregor those tough look for conor mcgregor i i and i thought he hit the guy but because you're saying that he was throwing the shot and the guy's face and for people who know the story quickly he was passing out proper twelve whiskey and i guess this guy didn't want the shot not piss them off. That's the story that's been written right. That's the one that already told me about and initially everyone thought he gave them a left hook doc but it wasn't the case you just through the shot that the guy wouldn't take into his face and it upset a lot of people over there. You mentioned that in bars all across orland i. I don't know if the video was born in ireland but they were irish bars whether they're in the states or island all the people porn is whiskey in the toilet like fuck this guy i mean it was it was it was a he looked like an asshole tough-looking there's too many incidents is now at that guy for me into making any type of excuse for yet at a certain point. Somebody's just a fucking astle and apparently he is. I mean the great kudos to the old man he took the fucking shot and didn't flinch lynch but there's no excuse to fucking papa guy like that age especially because he doesn't want you fucking whiskey like he's just wait till you try. Turn it out pink whitney from me all over that september first. We did mention new food by the way we are bringing back. The one the only terry ryan going to be bringing him in shortly and i also our buddy teddy. Pursell teddy might be the leader in chickens. Appearance is right considering on all the run a play he got. We're out in california. He's got to be the leader in the clubhouse. I'd say so and i was fortunate for. I got to spend a little bit of time with him this weekend as well. His girlfriend was in is at eight p t the volleyball tour. She's going to be any olympics the olympics stud. I was watching her on television. I didn't get a chance to go to the event but her team ended up losing the finals so unfortunate for them but <hes> very salt player. She's a she's a monster and <hes> spending time with teddy. Who as you mentioned. We'll be coming on later. You actually share some of those golf stories while he was on as well with that. We should probably get into right now. Yeah so we talked about we'll you'll hear <hes> me missing ryan malone on sunday morning and he wasn't feeling great but we had a great time sunday. That's the trip started for me. Got to minnesota played hazeltine had a blast greek course wrote there with with ben climber who played in the n._h._l. For a long time <hes> head pro their chandler it was just it was a great great afternoon to play an awesome course so then we went out a <hes> sunday night at at maynard which is a place on lake. Minnetonka minnesota in the summer is in that place is the best i mean everyone pulls the boats in onto the lakes on the bar. You can also obviously drive there and it was just as outdoor setting. I got to see my old college body justin miser who is definitely coming on at some point. He promised me some great stories from him but the next morning we said all right call me got a car and commodore and brad may and myself. We came to wisconsin so we're at san valley right now. We're ahead erin hills in the morning and i forgot right away. How funny brad mays and people have heard him once bitten chico's if you know like him and todd every time i see him on these trips. It's just like right away. It's just one liners and the stories. I'm like oh my god so this time i'm smart and i actually had my phone out so the driver for the car we had was this hilarious older guy just a good duty. It's funny lines. He told us one joke that took fifteen minutes was the worst joke of all time those only downfall but we started just boston is balls the same way me commun- they were just giving each other shake zip and you know we don't see each other once a year so the guile of guys hasn't realize he's kind of in the mix zinni asked may day to get his reef case and then pull his cell phone charger out of the back and he's like i got to charge my phone stein made his all right as getting them the stuff. He's like yeah. I guess i'll just reach back and do this to help you out. While you're driving us. Just just give it a shit and he pulled <unk> unzips. The guys briefcase and there's a legit used who's tissue paper on top of like where the cellphone charter has made as like. Are you fucking kidding me. What do you want me to rub your brothers before. I grab your cellphone and the guy was just horrified. They can be serious but he has to give a shit so the whole car ride. We're laughing at different stuff like that and then we get in we get in and <hes> we see tuesday so we're all catching up catching up when ryan malone couldn't come on the trip <hes> we were struggling to find the guy to bring so choosy brought his best body skies named named mike george but they call them fizi. I still haven't found out why it's fizzy like if your name's mike george. I don't know how your fizi so this guy's okay. I got some great opportunity stories for you. We met each other when he moved into the house next door to me. It was a big development where we were the first two houses built and then there were dirt lots around. It's now you know ten twelve poses so bert lives right next to me and we became good buddies but the first time we met was a little different because i'm out there. I'm cutting my lawn and i heard about some guy. I bought the house next door. No clue who it is or what are you know as i'm cut my long a black porsche comes bombing in bumping music and just parks right in front of this new you house or gets out tiber tuesday. I know hockey. I know exactly how it is. He comes over to me as i'm sitting on my mower cutting my nice yard my nice grass green juan comes over to me and says you cut these people's lawn. I just moved in here. I'll higher need somebody to come onto. The fizi. Goes you fucking asshole. I says my house u._p._c.'s yet. I know who you are to your todd and all of a sudden. It's like oh my god. I'm sorry they went inside had beers. They've been best friends twenty five cents. Get the fuck outta here so it's been funny. It's a fun couple days of playing golf with these guys and mayday mayday mayday head to great stories on the course today. Both i was like this guy's on blue or one was a great line and one was a good story so i'll tell you the line <hes> some guy in our a group hit a ball so far right i mean this thing is like four hundred yards offline and all of a sudden just like behind me. Mayday goes jesus christ. Tracy can wrap that fucking ball on a pack you can wrap that ball and bacon and a pack of wolves wouldn't find it never heard that for a ball hit on the that far off line but then he's telling me walking up the ninth hole. We were talking about people getting hit by a golf. Ball and dangerous can be and this whole discussion began because there's clearly there's a downhill par four three hundred yards clear. He hits the ball three twenty and bear up driver and swings. Everyone's on the greenie mishor cough by fuck at three three feet could have killed them so we're like. What do you do embarrassed so he's he's bringing up stories mayday. Has you know people getting hit and he's like all man i got. I got a bad one though i i was in <hes> at a wing foot and i was playing in the harlem. I don't know like harlem for hockey something some charity golf tournament so i'm i'm late to meet. The four guys that i'm playing with. A celebrity plays with every group so i was so late getting to the tea we were teen off the fifth hole that they had already hit they basically we're told you gotta hit so they're about one hundred fifty yards out walking and their ball and i show up and i got a kid with me. That's part of the hockey for harlan whatever the program was and he's all into golf and you know seeing us play and walk with us so i'm like hey guys. Hey guys heads up. I gotta hit and then i'll walk with you. Guys have not met brad may yet by the they paid money to play in this so they just go up there only one hundred fifty yards up. They moved to the right out of the way they do. Snap hook drills the guy right right in the leg. The guy goes down to introduce himself as the celebrity played with and also bowl is for the monster bruise moves in his. It's god god. I couldn't believe that there's more there's more to golf to be played catching up to be to be had so the the other the other shocking thing i will will say that i heard from tuesday's we were talking about thousand games bizet was actually we were talking about you and how much you hated getting hidden having to give money to get guys. They're thousand game gifts so for tuesday. He has not been given a silver stick for playing a thousand games by the league yet. I don't know if it's illegal the players association but the whole table was shocked. He plays that long and he plays a thousand game he will now. He never got the silver stick so i said immediately. That's getting fans. Do your work tweet at the n._h._l. Tweet at the n._h._l._p._a. make sure todd or tuesday gets his silver stick so then everybody they make fucking stupid jokes of show but sorry who did he play his one thousand game wit wit detroit so i i would think it would be the team's responsibility or is that something the n._f._l. P._a. <hes> the illegit gave him a like a vase or vase however you say it and <hes> can vase and they gave him like really nice rolex like they think it's on the league to get you a silver stick and thousand games silver sticks where it's at the things like sixty pounds people telling me so you need one of those. Oh so bert bert has to get his no absa fucking louis. That's actually kind of a joke that never did but we did mention. It was new fee week here on on the show. I got a couple apple random. New facts wanna drop throughout the show and i know this one's a little painful for your wit. You did mention d and clearly. He was the first newfoundland to win the stanley cup when he did back with the wings in oh eight. I thought that was worthy of mentioning because we did talk a bottom and of course that was meant. I drank the cup too so i kind of had mentioned that <hes> but would it also no. This is actually very interesting. <hes> back in nineteen fifty-six <hes> the bruins played a series of exhibition games in newfoundland and they were actually the first time that n._h._l. Teams played in an open air rank. <hes> which basically was not the first went to classic but it was the very first time when they asked the play as they said the exact same things they say now oh that reminded them of the days when they were little kids playing on the rank bow he still even fifty six fifty six years ago. They were saying the same quote so pretty interesting history up newfoundland. Oh shit. It was a great time so we send it over to that first interview with terry ryan. Let's do it yeah absolutely cues great very insightful and i'm glad the audio is a lot better than the first time he was on <hes>. I can't thank him enough for taking me around saint john and saint john's excuse me. I don't wanna get ridiculed online in but let's send it over to terry ryan. This interviews brought to you by kenai brands. You've already heard me talk about the cannabis company. A few friends of mine have started can i- brands the all natural all hemp derived c._b._d. Company making creams bombs tinctures and oils that help the world's highest performing athletes as well as everyday scrubs like you and myself get get a clear mind. Get a better night's sleep and manure injuries so you can feel amazing. Well chuckled fans can i- brands has a few more reasons that are sure to get you feeling amazing introducing using cannabis i ever feel amazing sweepstakes spectacular from now until september seventh u._n. 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We spent a a solid three days all through saint john's newfoundland he showed me around what an amazing tour guide it was very special for military to really embrace the culture here and really tile these stories you've ever told me together and and and what the people are about here and you couldn't have been more accurate while i really appreciate first of all you guys choosing to come here anytime we get a chance where all proud newfoundlanders everybody. Oh you bet most people here share that bone that were <hes> we have that in common were proud of where we come from so for you guys to pick here and come visit honestly give us some positive attention i i know. We had a lot of fun and everything but i wouldn't come back here. If i didn't really enjoy it in the guys you met you know they've played all over. Not only the hockey players the eh. Ah the the actors musicians the arts community jeremy charles you know the chefs <hes> there's there's lots of reasons to be a newfoundland and we love it and having you guys visit was real cool i mean when we when we first had you on there was some technical difficulties and you just kept talking and talking about all all these stories and it i think it was hard for some of our listeners to digest and it was obviously with the technical difficulties you know they might have been. I'm like whoa that was fucking sensory overload. I just heard a million stories but i mentioned it a lot of these kind of came together this week and i understand why you guys are the way you are and it's not because you're brag about what you've done. It's because you're proud of what you've done yeah. It's it's a pride thing and you guys you know you guys were kind behind the paul starting out here because you didn't have the resources that i had grown up playing hockey so you you you brag about all the guys who have done it and and you're right they come back here and the and they love it and they and they just they love talking about it too. I think you share that because you know it's a battle to get whenever you're on an island your a again. I don't want to be new zealand's great. It's a candidate just like any other part but the fact is ron and islands so if you're coming up you're playing hockey and you need to get noticed <hes> or or you're a musician or whatever you do. It's often harder when you're isolated and you're only playing one crowd right so i think all of us know how hard that is is and and we were really close growing up so it's a pride that shared by anybody. It's a battle you know it. Nothing's taken for granted kind of thing and during this in recent history we've had hard economic times not now so much but a lot of us when we were growing up the people that you've met being my age. You know we had to deal with that so we've we've often faced adversity but the new land attitude i'm going back hundreds of years hundreds because it's never been good weather right and these people that were fishermen they lived on the side of <hes> these coves and decide a mountains in new philander. I in these bays fishing when there was no electricity or can you imagine that biz so they shared stories together together. They sang they danced. They played sports. It was all everything was a tight knit community thing and that's. I think if we weren't like that's evolution. That's our revolution. We have to be tough because that's where we came from and by the way thank you for bringing up that. I really apologize to you guys. You know that but hurry and witter to tell them there was technical difficulties. I can't really listen to it. I'm glad people liked it but i couldn't hear you guys. I know i talked too much but i felt i was half ignorance so thank you for even the chance again. That's the window. I jumped in right there. Yeah yeah and and getting to know you. I know how sorry you are because you've told me sixteen thousand times now there were a few stories and i wanna go back on because we do have even more listeners now. Now i thought the the story with mike milbury yeah as general manager was that's. That's taught dutch while you start from the beginning one of my best. We just went past draft weekend so i figured it'd be a good time zealot. Yes so as you know. There are a lot of things have evolved but at the draft meetings are pretty much like thieves to be if you were rated pretty high <hes> or team just interested in you get interviewed quite a lot before the draft and a lot of these questions. You know really don't have much to do with hockey talking a lot of times. They have nothing to do with hockey. I flew into washington for example and filled out a s._a._t. Like paper for today's train is leaving point at the speed in another one's leaving point be those kind of questions which i thought was ridiculous but i get it. There's a point you don't want to draft an idiot. I guess but <hes> you know and that went on and on on and being rated in the first round a lot of experienced a lot of that together by the time i got to the draft which was in edmonton which was kind of my wheelhouse because a lot of newfoundlanders have moved there to work. There's probably the biggest concentration newfoundlanders outside here in alberta and we played in the western hockey. They can damon landco wh- ended up going fifth was from edmonton so we had a big fan base there was a lot of fun and <hes> but but the draft it was it was really tiring everyday. You seem to be on you. Were getting interviewed and you were doing tests. Tests and you have to test like ten times in like two months. It was a lot so mike burnett call my agent and he was gretzky's agent at the time and he was also dame's agent damon's from edmonton he said do you guys got two interviews lyft and you know lancs doesn't say much but when he does he listen and legs of not not doing it. I'm sorry i'm not doing it and i was never i. I still wouldn't believe i had to pinch myself that. I was rated in the first round tomorrow could happen and i i like like i still believe that ten rounds could go by and i wouldn't get drafted like there was always that level of anxiety with me out of your control yeah so even though i was rated high but i i was very i wasn't gonna pass up an interview that way. I didn't wanna be the guy to pass up an interview when i'm trying to get drafted no fucking way but i wasn't happy about it so he said well. You got two left or with the islanders and tampa bay. I said okay bring it on so i went up in. Whatever room was in the crown plaza edmonson and a <hes> again a lot of the boys are there and they were going out to cowboys and we were going to meet at cowboys after which we ended up doing and every april it was a western league thing so it wasn't just guys getting drafted. There was a guys culpa applegate guys couple years older than me like jason strudwick darcy tucker and wade belak ryan smith and guys like that that just played in the western they can happen to become into the draft or were from editon. We're all getting together a hockey party so i wanted to be there and i'm waiting in the meetings taking longer and longer so i it to when i get into the meeting first of all it's a big business table conference room kind of thing and it's an oval table and it's packed except there's two empty seats and the heads of both both seats are heads of the table so i don't know which one to sit in but i sit with my back to the window i guess so there's an adjoining room <hes> it's attached and i know there's activity going on over there and the people i walk into the island is interviewed. Mike milbury g._m. But he's not into romania so these scouts are really buttering me up there telling me like good. I am and you know i came from newfoundland and overcame a lot of obstacles. Everything they're saying is in my wheel house. It's not really hard interview just confirming the the fact that they're stroking ya yeah. They're stroking me right almost to an uncomfortable level <hes> so that's our next story yeah. Maybe that's our next door. Just because i did just just didn't it had to happen her. You know i didn't want to get ahead of myself and i didn't think i'd go in the top ten so mellberg anyway. These guys are talking. All of a sudden i hear these footsteps coming in from the adjoining room and it's mike milbury and he walks into the room and he's kinda has an air of authority about him and he throws down his papers. Whatever it was was scouting book on the table and he's talked me standing up everybody else now sitting down but he is about to take a seat at the end of the table across from me and he says yeah well i think he skate faster with the puck them without it. Now i've been talking to these scouts and they're asking me questions very cordially and respectfully and he walks scene and he just starts talking like you know you skate faster with the puck them without like like some bully in grade eight and i'm in great six or something. I'm going oh yeah. I guess 's okay. I don't know if that's a cut. Either means something good. That was good. Yes so i'm like okay and then he says thanks melts. I wasn't sure and i was still going. Maybe stroke okay me off to it but then he goes yeah well. I think you got lucky against wade. Belak is a fight on youtube by fightback only played them twice that year and it was like jerry seinfeld like when when he he raises an he doesn't wanna do it ever again because he won the race. I didn't wanna fight be like again. I fought him once and it was a great fight and it was talked about and and of course. I don't have a death wish so he says if you fight 'em ten times. You're gonna lose nine of them. That was lucky not that. I beat him but we had a good one. I said okay i didn't and and we had a good fight and he said it's a good thing. Damon cow played with the all year. You would not all those points. I civil. It's a good thing he fucking played with me. He wouldn't have those points. You know like we both both improved this back and forth back and forth and now it's getting like he's caught me up and i'm cutting him up and there's no punchline like there's this isn't a joke anymore so he says okay tough guy he he said. I'm gonna give you a scenario said you're in tri cities and you and that lang cow kid i think he called his hoodlums on that land kit have been out when you're you're having a good time and you bring some girls back and all of a sudden you break off with your girl and you go to her house. It's ten to eleven but it's a ten minute drive home and curfews at eleven but she spreads her legs and says fuck me gary. He says why do you do. I thought about like ten minute drive home. I'm doing tim and try driving. You're not a math well but i'm thinking about like what i actually would do and i'm looking at myself going to drive home. Curfews at eleven girl wants to fuck me. Jesus christ okay so i go. I'm gonna take a sip of my water. That's sitting there and i call him. Mr mugabe to this point. I said well well mike. I said 'i fucker for five minutes and then i speed home so he says get the fuck out of my office and the other scouts or like some guys are putting their head down. They wanted not laugh but they're fucking trying and i know what's going on. I'm like that was a fucking great answer so but when i when i turn around and i look up door opens but it's phil esposito so phyllis mosquitoes been standing there. I forget that they've they've played since they played with boston bruins. I guess in the late seventy s i kind of forget all of that and he fill is doing my last interview with tampa bay just next door and so i follow him out he goes great fucking answer and he shuts shuts the door he goes. Why did you say again and i told him he goes. That's fucking unbelievable. He goes his only question to me. He says sit down so i go in the room with him and tony esposito was brother and he's. He's obviously he's the g._m. Of tampa scouting for tampa sits down he goes how far apart in napoleon sleep from his wife and i went a bonaparte and he said ed fucking rights he goes terri of not going to draft you. You're not a good enough skater. I gotta be honest with you. He said we're picking fifth but i'm very interested in damon landco. What kind of guy is he. I said well you know he works hard and he you know he's often treats the rookies where he goes terry terry terry. What kind of guy is he. Would you guys hang out. Does he stick up for you in all situations i the city of course he does. He's one of my best friends goes perfect. He said you just one yourself a good story and i sat there. I had a diet coke and i listen to him. Tell me about the nineteen seventy two summit series for an hour. He just said what do you want to hear. I said i've always wanted to meet you and asked about the summit series about how he slipped. When all the russians laughed at him and how they turned that into new accomplish confidence booster. I swear to you he he he. I was interviewing him for an hour and then he let me go and he said perfect and they ended up taking damon land out number five the next day at the fuck outta here enough anything. You remember voted what he said at the summit series yet. You said i was really really. We like you know we as we say it. I wasn't trying to do this but look. It's right here like i'm big into it right. There's bob your. I was big in all this stuff. I'm not lions so i knew about the summit series because i'd watched eight hours on it like maybe five or six times in my life <hes> even then it was one of the biggest moments in canadian eighty in history and my father and mother very much you know never let me kind of forget that that was one of the big moments in their lives as so outside outside of henderson scoring. I knew there was some sub storylines that i'd heard and seemed absurd but he told me whatever i wanted to know. He ended up being my g._m. In cincinnati a few years later any remembered the whole thing when i was in the east coast league and he took us over to europe for a month <hes> he's just a great great fellow <hes> that story and many more in a book lucky rhode after you retired called tales of a first round nothing we talked about at the last time you were on one of the stories that was in the book is one that you didn't tell on the podcast podcast now. It's it's iconic. I'm hoping that you will tell it you you want to know about it. I think that it's you might even double your your listenership as far as the podcasts desert and i think it will put you on the map. If you feel comfortable telling it i don't i don't feel bad telling it all it happens and <hes> you know why not what's okay. Well here. We go so in two thousand and seven. I was done my professional ice hockey career and i was training for my third. My third paul hockey world championship. I play with team canada <hes> because it was a lot easier to run when i retired than's than skate <hes> although i still can skate not like i used to write sober bought running was fine so <hes> i was up there and we were at the end of our team candidate camp and we'd we you know we'd run the beep test. We've done all that stuff we had six or seven days of of you know tryouts next to be very much like a hockey camp so we were tired so he told a bunch of us that we'd made it so we went out to celebrate. Maybe six or seven of us and the marlies were playing that night and brown's my buddy on the marlies. He was planning the marlins. Then bradley bradley abe was on the marlies tyson nash. I believe it was either on the leafs marlies but he met us at the bar after so a bunch of the boys were going to the bar so lieber. I played with brad leaving redshirt junior so and he's good buddy. <hes> could teammate so he says you know. Meet me at the orbit room so i don't know where the orbit romance widened branding was but it turns out you know wherever there's a greek place the close by the few greek canadians and they wanted to go out so i said perfect we'll have a bite to eat and then we'll go over to the orbit room so now we have a bite to eat but we get on the grass and all that you know we're having a good time. It's an orlando or it's one of those nights so we or days so we show up they play and we show which is still relatively early. It's like right after their games so it's probably like i don't know nine thirty or ten o'clock <hes> i. I think it was even earlier. I think it was even there might have been an early game on a sunday or something. We're at the end of that matters now well. I guess it doesn't so. I guess it doesn't <hes> lieber says you gordon dance with this girl over there so because we there wasn't many people dancing there was good music on but we were just kind of it was more of a pub atmosphere his fear than anything but there was a band about to command so i'm just trying to give you some intimate imagery here so this girl comes over and thinks she asked me to dance or maybe he got going but she's obviously she got fishnet stockings on scuttle leather skirt big fake bombs obvious fake bombs. <hes> it really tight shirts like about an up and anyway we sweet start dancing. We were making out and we go over over the bathroom so she follows me into the bathroom. Okay fair enough. We've met a bit to drink making out with her. I'm like rip her blouse open gutter tits out so i said why don't why don't we just get the fuck outta here they can. I've seen my buddies. It's all good. She's like let's do it so i walk out of the burn. All the boys is over here talking and they just seen lieber and me interact and me dance with this girl and then i'm leaving this girl and they're all going what the fuck and i hear. I hear here's someone say he really is crazy and then i'm looking going. Why because i'm leaving the bar early with this girl like i could just waste money and stay here all day but we've hung out all day. I'm that same amount of bail and the boys all the time but this was there comes a certain time you check out totally and i think people would respect that so i'm going. This is weird that they're even questioning so she meets me. She pulls around. She got a car so she meets me at the front which is probably ex by should've said something because we were drinking. I just assumed because she had the car hope that she wasn't drunk but i really don't know so we get in the car. I'm going to brampton. It's a forty five minute drive. I'm going to the brampton holiday and express or best western is where i'm going so i get in the car i try to make they're trying to get up her skirt a little bit. No actions wants to get but at at the street light the red red light. She's making out with me a little bit so mike okay. I fall asleep though because i'm tired so anyway it's long drive so i'm icon coat. I wake up and she's colombian into the hotel so i say you know. I try to get with her again. You wanna commend. She's like i'm not really sure i say well. How about a little bit of noggin doc in meeting head. She's like short so she starts giving me a blowjob. It's all good looking back the things that i was saying you know like you know you got your a half on and you're getting something. You didn't thought was going to happen so you're like oh baby. Keep going like i'm being fairly dirty so anyway these type of words i don't donahue he's going to have to fill in that blank trying to make authentic like i'd correcting yourself on the name of the hotel. I figured maybe at least true enough but yet i i don't want to criticize or this is bad but anyway i she goes walked so you're cool with it. Then like gav course i'm cool with it had been blown before so anyway and like right down her throat everything she swallows it. It's all good. She licks it off go. Let's go in the room. I said she goes okay. If you're fine with then of course we're going in the room so i'm like of course i'm fine with it so i take her. We go in now in the room or a couple of my buddies paolo musto asto as my captain that canadian ball team a believe alexandre burrows was in no tell <hes> being a hockey player. You might know but a lot of these guys so the boys are playing cards in the room but they were at the bar earlier so paolo goes terry 'cause whereas talion slaps me on both cheeks dairy. I said why he goes. It's a man <unk>. I went what so i turn around and look at this girl or you know it was a transgender. I got respect. I didn't matter and you would think a lot of people said to japan's him out or her out. Oh absolutely not but i didn't at all i looked over and i said you know and and she was like like she's right because she was like you told me you were cool with it. I'm like now. I know what you're saying. I started thinking and when when i thought about making out with her at the light i realized there was a bit of stubble like it's the only and i was like that should have been a red light but the i guess alcohol works alcohol works yes yeah and anyway but i didn't manatee candidate camp and it was in duesseldorf germany that year so i didn't wanna get kicked out of camp. Either didn't want to make a big deal of it but anyway anyway just went out actually gave him a hug and i was every monday that year. I was on a mitch melnick show. I don't think it was t._s._n. Now in montreal and he called series tales so i called in i said i'm gonna face this head on because i don't want these rumors out there of if is is not <hes> not that i give oh shit because my uncle my dad's brother your people think the wrong thing of me sure right in i am straightened like that on the record so i said fucking and i'm just gonna tell the story so i told the story mitch's show and there was just like silence. He said i cannot happen and i still kinda hung over anyway. That's how it got out there. I wasn't i'm gonna put it in my book and <hes> but you know the only time that ashamed the only reason i was nervous that it was because i wouldn't want people getting the wrong impression as if though i'm judging edging yeah person for what they want to choose or decided or their lives because i don't i'm as liberals they retired if you want to you know be born a woman and then be a man then chop it off after that and then be a transgender whatever the fuck you want you know what is do it if it makes you happy did totally and i think that way too and that's why like in the book i tried to because like a lotta people could take that story and and if you haven't actually read it. You could probably think that. I was being judgmental but i wasn't i. I someone alluded to the story once jeff america. I believe he's podcast <hes> when it capable came out three or four years ago and actually brian burke exxon <hes> i i think his name is patrick but i'm really not sure yes so he got a hold of me on twitter and i think he he thought at first that i was being a little bit crude about it but yeah but he he ended up apologizing and we had a great conversation quickly and that's i think what you do i just i. I'm like you know what patrick though like it was say what you want though if i don't know i'm not sure that that is a good story. It's a funny story yeah regarding state and and here's where i'm coming from it and i'll tell this part of it before i go on and tell my story is in the same breath where i believe anyone should be able to do whatever they want with their body and and decide and gobi you. I think that maybe giving another person a heads up that you've made that choice that might not know in order to put them in a vulnerable situation should be set. I think that that's a mutual respect. That's enough of that type of story anymore hockey stories. You wanted to see up before i go on. I still wanna say biz because this is what i love about. Your show like 'cause is there. There's a level of the you hit that might be crude to some but you just brought awareness to something and you're treated that person with respect as did i so i'll move on but i want to point right that out because a lot of people do give burston spitting chocolate obsolete shit and you go online and all these look. I'm an open minded person. Just be yeah be respectful and that's what you are now anyway well. You asked me a question. I just wanted to point that out. Go ahead. What was the question again. Oh just anymore hockey stores at all. You told a few when you came back on mike. Was there anything that you wanted me to ask them. Our producer research do you want to know. How did i tell you how i lost my teeth. I had got. I guess skipping over everything that happened. I've been on your show and you know tried to justify my career in the indian look. I'm happy where i went and <hes> i got hurt. I hurt my ankle is what happened. I i still really proud of played for the michelle canadians but in that time i was in a dispute with them so the first year montreal qualified me they offered me could money <hes> but i just wanted to get traded and have have a chance to play in the show so i played in saint. John's in the maple leaves the next year that was in the american hockey league still at least the next season was still a bit of a squabble they they started to say we're gonna entertain in trade thoughts trade ideas but you're you can't play in the american hockey league so i went down to the west coast hockey league in colorado so anyway i i had a tough year there too i got my arm skated over but i bounced back in the summertime in dallas stars offered me to go to camp now right before i went to dallas. I was playing ball hockey here with my buddies and i went down. I hit my teeth off the ground and i had like the best way i can describe it. My teeth look like jim carrey in dumb and dumber. They were halfway cracked the frontier straight across. It looked stupid but i was going to camp in a few weeks so i was like you know when when i breathed in really hurt because the nerves were exposed but i'm saying like i'm going to get paid for their like montreal like if i did something i'm like i'll just get it paid for montreal mcadam nothing that i'm not signed right of course they're not gonna pay for it. I'm just thinking like oh. It's just a minor thing so i i waited and i finally went to dallas and i had an orange mouthguard. It looked like sucking on an orange peel all the time but but again i wanted to get a paid for obviously the ball hockey covered like a thousand bucks or something that was it so and it was going to be more so went to dallas and i'm guac and doc. Can you fix me up like i am. They're like i'm really hurting and he looks at me. Walk out. He comes back and he goes. You're not signed with us a mckee. I guess i'm not like i didn't even think about that. I'm like quickly right first round easy montreal. Everything's a layup blake given to you. Now is my first experience with off hockey. I guess i'm not signed. I gotta still work worked for that. So cap goes okay actually but i ended up hurting myself. Derian hatcher falls on my ankle and interior tear tears ligaments high ankle. Sprain is what it is which is fucking bad news because you can kind of place you it which i tried to do but i fucked myself but anyway they're like well. You're you're still sign what you're going to boise. Can you fix my teeth. No nope boise. Was there double affiliate in the co- in the west coast so i'm like. Can you fix my teeth. No no no so. I said fuck. I know they're gonna do it in boise because at least i'm signed with boise so boise's in another three weeks when the coast start somebody off. I come home and get my shit. I still sucking on this fucking orange peel looking mouthguard and now we're going look route. Were over a month now. Wait another few weeks. Whatever i go to boise. I walk in and kip drip next the trainer. I say kip bomb. I need these fixed a s._a._p. The fucking nerves are exposed on drinking and most of my meals now are like soup or i'm drinking milkshakes and stuff. I mean it might fucking teeth or killing me but it's like ten grand right so anyway says he just told me the story. I assume we told you the fucking story. Just say did hear them. He said i can't do that. I said well for fuck sake. I said what if i lose my teeth worse than this. What if i just happened to take a puck and i lose all my compete what he said well obviously then we'll fix them like normal normal like look good so now the fucking wheels are turning in my head. I'm going okay the first thing i'm thinking i'm taking these out myself fuck so and not that he was a d. I shouldn't say you fuck me being sarcastic kipah. You could've done me a favour and said you know i got a puck in the face so anyway. The boys are sitting there and i'm looking at mattox and bobby stewart and they're going on. No the motherfucker is going to go for it for sure. I go boys. I'm doing it for sure so i come out now. I gotta wait though i'm like if i do it tomorrow. It's going to be obvious. I'm gonna do it in a a couple of weeks. So what motto stands up says no fucking way so he says i say doesn't do it. Bobby stuart says i know he's going to do it so then it was team was kind of split up and there's money going back and forth now that there's money going on definitely gonna do it. Definitely gonna do poyser betting on me. Come out so it's just how drunk do i have to do. Get to it so i wait. I wait like a couple of weeks and we have a little bit of a get together. At one of the apartments they put us up in a complex communal pool all that you know the way to the coast great situation acts the living arrangement. The coast is better than any illegal minute <hes> so we're we go down by the pool. Jeremy maku now is running. I believe things hockey at notre dame in wilcox jeremy's our captain and he's got a kid there who's actually now in the whol. He's got a little league nerf hammer so i ate the little nerf hammer and so i'm just going to check my teeth out of my head and like i i can't. I underestimated this. It's incredible because i just i i kind of try to chip away at my whole head rocked and the teeth were like you know the center of gravity was like right up into my there was no way that these things were coming out with a hammer. It was going to be hard to get them out with like a boulder of is like i am but now there's money on it so i'm like. I didn't think this out at all all like i didn't think it out. I thought it'd be ways here. So then i put the hammer away. Get i've had six or seven years at this point the boys of there. I'm like give me a sledgehammer. Bobby stewart's like he's egging me on so he's got a sledge hammer like within minutes like i'm sure he had a fucking gun back pocket or whatever you can do. He's going to make this happen. Whatever -tario for he's going to get it because he's just wide and this is going to happen so i take the fucking sledgehammer in two hands i bring it towards my face but at the last minute i think about it and i'm like oh my god i think of all the things that can happen that are good and i closed my mouth and i lay up but it's going so fast. He hits me right here. No the scar. I got here at the bottom line. That's a sledge well. I just laid up. I i did pulled out for the last fucking second but now that just has made me more mad but i gotta split my lip tongue right through it. Oh so there's blood going everywhere at this point. There's like there's <hes> and i'm up in my apartment complex at this point but there's wives at found out about it and kids and take them home and like this guys over the top and i'm drunk. I'm just trying to a good time and win the boys money but i look like fucking freddie krueger. I'm like oh jesus. I say a fuck it give me that fucking sledgehammer and just did this foam one knock and knocked out the whole fucking row. I started pleading like a stuck pig. It was just blood all over the bathroom baugh and now i'm thinking and the boys are going and stewart off the bat to bobby stewart. He says students and rathmell goes and now and now you figure out how you're gonna say you did that on the ice. I'm like you just pass them. In the sledgehammer. You've been waiting there the whole time for me to do this so and that was true though so my face has mangled and i'm like i go into the rink passing and have asked that this didn't happen so i swear to god put my hat down over my face and i'm talking like this. When i go in and i get there real early me and said you motherfucker. You'll come into to the rink with me. I and we'll go on the ice and act like we're fucking out early looking to improve our game or some shifts so so anyway we get there and that's that's the biggest joke of them all well. We're the west coast thing at that point and i wasn't getting back up <hes> and kipps there and anyway so i'm like discipline could give how's everything going buddy and i'm having you know how's the bars the wife some kids and like i'm talking and i'm thinking the last thing these people are gonna think is self mutilation right like i did not do that so we're having that conversation that i'm talking. I'm yelling out at st louis and whoever looks do we get the fuck out on the ice so we go out on the ice and like when i get on the ice i'm thinking all i gotta do is like slip on a park. We don't really have to do anything. They're just me and him out there and stew. We wires one right up by my fucking mellon off the glass. I said enough of that anyway. I went down. I wear a cooper all like a girdle like tight so you know those old school thing so i just put the teeth that i'd lost inside those because they're stick to your body kind of thing and then my my face was raw enough that i just took my tuck like that. My my nail i went and i just kinda yanked my teeth and they just started leaking all over the place. I took my my teeth and threw them over the ice next to the blood and then i went off and i went kip and he goes you on lucky motherfucker. I go yeah time to get the new teeth. Ten thousand dollars later is ten thousand was in baltimore outta here ten thousand the only a few years later this one is this has taken such a beating that i can't the route doesn't work. It's got the same problem bridge right. Now is a good story and the rest of them stayed in. You got a podcast that you do now. Yes or you came on ours ars. You've kind of got one going with a few local buddies yet. It's called third man in. I enjoy it with mike hickey and charles picket and the guys it's different there hockey fans. Mike plays rec. Doc charles doesn't play at all but he's a super fan and often. I tell you to hear it from a super pens fan's perspective the often knows things that i don't about statistics awesome stuff and you're like you. Sometimes you take for granted at first. I didn't know really what i was getting into. I wanted to just have my own thing and interview people kind of like. We're doing now have a chat for an hour. The boys sold me on having the three of us. Do it and i'm glad they did real good. People enjoy where we're at and it's an excuse talk to buddies and stuff. I gravitate towards my buddies like i. I know you guys. Have you encompass a lot more intimate in no way in every way be in competition with you guys. It's a different thing but i'll see i'll stop you. There not really that i remember you. Were going to get i think sheldon surrey on or somebody felt bad about that so many we just just had on and you're like i want you to think i'm trying to step on your toes man. Hockey fans deserve what we're doing yeah <unk>. I want them to hear all these behind the scene stories i don't. I don't care who starts a podcast. I don't care if you use our lingo. I don't care if you fucking quotas and don't reference us. I don't care as long as people are having a good time. The game hockey is growing. We're doing our part so any any other players who might listen to ours in like oh you know. We don't want to be the second people to do it. Am i grateful that we're kind of the first podcast and you know we're the kind of the o._g.'s in that category and in growing it and doing what we do yeah. It's a cool feeling because no one can ever throw the oh. You're just copying this guy schtick but i would never for once think that about anyone else who is doing it the more the merrier. We got john scott doing a podcast. We have barnaby podcast now. They're just going to bring up more stories with they're buddies that they're comfortable with and i agree with you in the sense of sticking to who we know it's a lot easier and a lot of these younger guys is. They're afraid to say anything because they feel like there's so controlled by these teams i was. I was a renegade in a sense where like at one point yeah phoenix was being like y'all fuck and toner order down but i didn't really tone it down just beep on my own drum and that's how i always been because they don't really give a fuck once you're done with them. What are you going to death. That's why. I guess that you get are interesting. And what do you think. I want to sit around. The rink and i mean coaching would be fun but i would have to start out in. Probably the coast or maybe needs your hockey is right on a bus all day long and get paid fucking peanuts. This is fun man. This is what i what i live. I live for the stories and that's probably why the bigger degenerate as i am well. I guess i guess i always i'm aware of what goes on around me and the timing of mine just seemed odd because you guys invited me on but for you also been talking about it. I guess that's why was i just wanted to be respectful to you and i sent you a message because sheldon is my buddy but you guys had him on but another thing that people don't realize like a month after i did smitten chocolates last summer and again i cringe. I know they were good stories. I guess fans but i couldn't. I felt i was being a bit ignorant to you guys but anyway biz flew me up well enough for me up but i was in toronto anyway on the way to bermuda and we did a gig at the rec room and couldn't have been nicer so yeah i all. I know now knowing you that that's the last thing in your mind as you think that i'm trying to try to just want to entertain gal and i really and now you're here in newfoundland right. 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He was a magician addition. <hes> he was the best minor hockey player you'd say he took the the local midget team and they nearly one the air canada cup that they came third heard which is a big thing for newfoundland team to national midget championship largely with teddy's get a good group around him but teddy was unbelievable and i was calling all these teams and no one one would 'bite allow them said he was small and he was and he wasn't physical but his up the the upside of his skill to me was through the roof. I couldn't believe what i was watching watching but i started to doubt myself as scout not that he was even a scout just as a hockey knowledgeable guy because i'm going. This guy is a magician sure enough. He doesn't make major junior but he goes out plays wilcox a sketch win and notre dame and then he goes to the u._s._a. Gel and he signs in maine and i knew when he went to maine i go. I can do it and when he does. It's just gonna be if he if he'd get signed in the n._h._l. And he did but all while that was going on we will be playing together like teddy would be ten or twelve years old and i i it was when i was first aware of them and i went to a lot of his games and then when he became sixteen or seventeen while came onto the scene and you know he was one of the guys at phoned and wanted to be in seniors basement. I told you it's almost like a rite of passage for an athlete around near teddy was in here when he was eighteen years old. I don't wanna give the idea that he was earning and shit face but he had beers and seniors basement. He did <hes> when he was younger and we spent some time together. Either i think actually one of those summer's almost blew his mind but he just came back and like all my friends were visiting he ended up having the teddy and ryan clo- golf tournament during the george street festival festival and being a legendary hockey player and partier and saint john's but teddy and i i guess have a respect for each other. There's not a lot of guys like i said from your that have played played in the n._h._l. At all so even though i wasn't as successful as teddy i guess he grew up looking up to me a little bit in that rubbed off and we remained friends <hes> we never talked. What about the riders last time you're on clo- <hes> ryan close gives me you have ryan when it come on with you but he's in florida right now. Yeah <hes> yeah and brian. You know another good player think about it. Ryan would have in the n._h._l. Twenty to twenty five goals year and his best years two hundred penalty minutes solid guy good guy too and we late late bloomer khloe went khloe left wouldn't take no for an answer <hes> tried out for the health x. moves heads got caught trying for the junior team got cut played junior in your be at seventeen like he didn't go up as a cue at sixteen or anything. He didn't even make a high school team. At sixteen eighteen goes up makes sqi rest is history three but chloe was a very late bloomer could escape for fucking length of himself. Good hands can't work ethic to like he had to work to get out like i'm not surprised he made it but it just the leaps and bounds that he came like khloe snuck into the draft. He went six round but he must have been an eighteen nineteen year old when he did it. He left late <hes> but i was less surprised by teddy. Even though teddy didn't get drafted because chloe really couldn't skate he was looking at bambi on ice like he got when he learned and he got strong and then i knew from that point then the sky was limit because he's tough. What about the ryder boys couple other guys from here. Yeah yeah great hockey players from about vista were adam parties from <hes> and mitchell and matthew brag <hes> andrew sweetland. These guys played a tiny town though right. You go really really small town very small town so like clam. Bill has a team in the c- in the local senior league. That's about an hour and a half away. That's like forty minutes beyond clarin ville towards nothingness that gets <hes> but i mean not towards the town. It's a beautiful place but anyway yeah and so the fact that they had that team that they did is unbelievable. Those kids must have hung out and played played hockey every day. I'm not to knock bon vista but if we go there now you know they're probably playing against the teams. The same size part of vista would pete saint john's kind of like my dad told you a story book grand falls but sometimes being a small town zero vantage. If you hang out in your tight group right in here you got saint john's selects in you know some guys go home and don't really hang out with each other during the week right you know they might go to hockey camp together because their parents paid five hundred bucks for that week they might go buy their new fucking thousand dollar outer skates together but the boys are out there. Just fucking plane with a soda pop can and fucking shoes as nets. You know what i mean like growing up like if <hes> you know you you do whatever you can in the small towns to hang out together and to me. I think that's why that particular group took off. That's why you also mentioned today today. One of the things that your father tie you early age being an only child was that t- mentality yeah you you mentioned that earlier did well and biz like interesting and he knew how important was in order to have success. That's why when i told you when i came back from the quebec peewee tournament and told him that i was scouted. I was gonna go play with vancouver. Inquiry said no no wait a minute. We'll take team and that was. I was like yeah i guess we will like dad was always thinking like that but he'd been through it right so i was real fortunate to have that to have have someone that went through and had a very similar experience to myself and dad quickly new like one of the things i guess that he realized was that the quicker you're a team player. The further you'll go and you're going to get that through your head and it's a hard line of you know like you said there's guys competing for the same job but as a rule and i think in the end <hes> being an only childlike has said and going away at such an early age and being that was traumatizing for me. My teammates became my brothers and it's probably why this day i still keep in touch with so many people <hes> <hes> that i played hockey with because i feel that they've they're part of my extended family. You mentioned sean putin stories about him. How did you become buddies with him. Thirty asked me to a fight. He wasn't signed with the leafs. He was playing for the fredericton or the montreal canadians <hes> rookies and he was playing for the leafs rookies. We were in tim's and new liskeard ontario and a third place. I can't remember moolah scared's not far from north bay now ferrari out and we we ended up playing exhibition and northbound but we on this particular weekend we were up there to play three games and three nights and you know the way those goes no rules like that and if it was a couple of tough guys going for a spot that would dominate everything because they'd be going own after everyone like you know. It wasn't a game that any skill guys in my mind should ever the game shouldn't have been played. I mean for fox sakes looking back. It was a bit of fun to tell the story but they were scary because you you knew that anybody who remotely and one little tiny bit of fighting. Them was gonna get in a fight because everybody was auditioning and you know you're not gonna turn down that so authority it just came to me and i didn't know him at all before the game he said i'm trying out for this team and he said you wanna make montreal though he i guess he just looked at the stats and where i got drafted and then i fought. He said let's let's do it. Do you mind just like that and so we went out. I didn't know him from adam. We fought behind the net who is pretty good and then the next night he looked at me and it was almost we trusted each other that we have another good one and we did and <hes> the next night we did again. Come on three or three. We fought three times now the next one he beat me pretty good though oh. I don't even know if he remembers that thirty last time. I told that story but he did though i remember he beat me pretty good the third when he got got on me pretty good but then anyway but there's a level of respect but then he played for the saint he made saint john's any did sign with toronto against the odds way to go thirty <hes>. He didn't play much there last guy i. I don't wanna say worst player because that wasn't true but he was there last guy. I don't think anybody realized he could play it and i was in freddie is like you know on the first line with david lincoln things as the year progressed but a couple. Hello terry liked it. If i fought and i knew authority was a game and i knew that if i fought him <hes> i would be respected because he was real tough so it's one on youtube. They're in front of the net. We fought in overtime for time early that year and thirty. I think got a bit of praise for get me off the i._c._u. Knows scorn a little bit. It was my first games at home. You can't let them take off off the ice but not that. I was a fucking here but it was my first games at home and energy. Was there scored goal better for the gordy yeah well. I was at the night. You finally got laid remember. You said you got the gordie howe hat well. That was when in cornell when i was fourteen years old no this. This was about twenty one but the next season you see see i came here when i was holding out of montreal played in saint john's thirty was still here on the saint john's maple leafs so then we played together all year but mostly it was myself any combination of my shelves so myself sean thornton ryan peril <hes> aaron brand who led the scoring one year <hes> and jason sessa and we would all play on the third and fourth line where wherever mix of that but thirty i was there when he saw what thirty did thirty was hard line in you know that line that you've got to tread dorey was like he was good time charlie in the bar kind a guy to get everybody going but he also had to be at the rink. I read began fucking caught and he had to work as fucking nuts off and he had to be working out and get big and learn how to fight at the same time learning to play a role authority. He was doing everything he was a busy man and he's a great role model. He came in here a lot east. We used to hang out a whole lot. Of course life gets in the way but you know. I can't say enough good about about sean thornton. We had a blast here. We took total advantage of playing in saint johnson heaven. You know a good good home base to play in front of the do you have any other questions. Questions for god covered a lot in the video series. I'm very excited for everybody. See everything the beatles talk. I think you should talk about the beatles real quick. You had the appeals tattoo on you. Yeah a lot of people ask me about that. I got the tattoo my data. Really you know he's wearing his beatles stuff all weekend and my daughter's name is penny lane which is a beatles no song for those that don't know although if you don't know fucking put down everything and go listen to penny lane for fox sakes if you don't know that there's no odds about you but anyway <hes> yeah you know. I don't want to say that. I follow my dad and do everything he does but i do think he's a smart man and growing up i do you know genetically attended gravitate towards his tastes. Maybe but all those records over there on the wall you see like i said on fridays we would come here and we would spend them and of all them in he i would always tell me how important the beatles were and my buddies. I like them but my buddies would come down at some of them didn't love the beatles but i'd i'd hear talk and he's like even if you don't like them. You should appreciate then you should know about them because they changed the world and it'd be like what do you mean. He said well. The message was love. First of all and the world is going through a hard time and they transcended music. The beatles set trends they they were the first band to really be taken seriously politically even when they broke up i mean john lennon you can take the one song imagine and i mean there's so many themes in that song represented and i just think that they're very important. If i had lived when mozart lived i would have been a fan and i think huge people would have started realizing like this guy's obviously special while i think the beatles are special. I love music in general i mean it's a big part of our lives clearly but you know i i went out to try city in the early nineties guys and i live through the grunge movement that was great. It was great in the early nineties. I experienced then. I solder vada play. I saw them play but but the thing is it wasn't the same that i love them. Artistically i think they're right up there. <hes> because people compare but you know the message wasn't love. It was angst wasn't it. It was a bit of frustration. It was great. It was creative but with the bills all that was going on and you know even though they weren't at woodstock you know you. They kind of created that and yet. I don't think woodstock would have ever ever happened first of all if it wasn't for the beatles but things like that and wearing your hair long and even music musicians writing their own songs. I love elvis being right his own stuff rallies. I think wrote in the ghetto or part of it. He didn't write his own stuff right. The bills were saying you know. No one wrote their own stuff. The beatles are going way way way. I want to do this. We just showed you those album covers. Well people didn't do that. The beatles were the first band to do album covers and put it on the front. Never sergeant pepper's the first album that has lyrics written on the back so you can tell what's going on to beatles did all of that. The beatles were the first band to play stadium. Elvis was going around playing gymnasiums. You don't realize or little tiny places of course he played in kalamazoo in the seventies because the beatles had already broken it open but the beatles last concert was in shea stadium. No one had ever done now. That's normal at the time. It was absurd what happened <hes> sergeant. Pepper is the first concept album where one song for a little bit now flows into the next and it's all kind of the concept of sergeant pepper and they're stepping outside theirselves right and lucy in the sky with diamonds. You know what that songs about l. right lucy sky diamonds l. s. d. right pitcher yourself in a boat on a river with tangerine trees and marmalade skies right here some l._s._d. They're turning the whole world on at the time rate like george georgia dorgan. We're good says in a nice clip on youtube. He said you know when i saw the beatles on it. Sullivan my whirlwind technicolor. He said it was a it was a hard time. It was the structuralist fifties we were coming out of and he said all of a sudden these guys were happy and they wore their hair like they wanted to write it in a row where they wanted to wear and they wrote the wrote their own songs and they play what they wanted to play and that i think that gets lost looking back because everybody does that now but i think if you would live during that time it would have blown your mind away as it did or else. We wouldn't be talking about them right falker nellie that was a great question. Thanks man it's hard. I'm so like i've been experiencing it all week but it's nice because some people might not get to hear it on the youtube videos whereas like that just i mean that was very informational about somebody piece. A lot of people listening who don't really care about the beatles will respect back in the beatles led you to a conversation with carmen electra now yeah. That's the other thing grenell. He's fucking. If you know you've been no padding this show yeah oh boy you any the other thing yeah. If you know a lot of about about the beatles for example or other zych east's of the culture <hes> you know you will find yourself in a lot of interesting conversations. You talk to allen doyle today. What do you think the first thing i talked about. In my life with allen. Doyle was famous musician from here. We talked today for the beatles and you know what he did and we talked and not so the beatles beatles came out with sergeant pepper you ever hear the song brian wilson deadline embiid like brian wilson did well. The story is fairly accurate. He couldn't beat that to beat the beach. Boys best albums called pet sounds at least critically acclaimed but when and wilson and wilson that was a genus in his head. He created almost all that on his own. It wasn't the other beach boys for the most part. It was brian wilson prime wilson heard sergeant pepper and that's when he went he he. How do i what i do here he was he was an artist because he wanted to create the best and he said i can't do this. I can't create anything better and this is a well-documented that story. I don't know if that's specifically only made them. Go crazy and stay in bed for ten years or whatever it was but it had something to do with it and <hes> spent the beach boys were great and i love the beach boys so allen doyle showed up at this house. After our conversation with pet sounds acapella he came up with someone he met someone over the years his and he gave it to me and and we became friends like that and that was years ago like i said what about carmen electra yes. She was totally cold. The only reason that the beatles came up here is because she was sitting sitting with sporty spice mel b in she was from london but even during all that guys. I took advantage of every single thing like that so i'm like you know. I probably shouldn't have been at that party. Representative to be honest displaying the setting now it was the planet it was the opening planet hollywood <hes> in about ninety eight or ninety eighty nine in montreal and we would always get invited to these things and like i said ninety six ninety seven sorry. I guess it was ninety seven so ninety six ninety seven. I was on the team for most of a year. I just played three games a._l. Was hurt and be they want me to practice and not go back to junior so but with that you know you get invited to a lot of events and you meet a lot of i mean that's how i know jim cody of from blue rodeo i met them during these times and i would always take advantage of it because i would say like i am right now on the shell canadians and if i'm not a whole lot you're not lying all i know and there's a lot different with the fredericton canadians and the montreal canadian so i'm here i'm invited. I'm a canadian gonna take advantage of it so i especially especially when plucking planet hollywood. Are you kidding me so you know the red carpet came out through my buddy up baseball game. The pitcher with me is paul eales just local baseball players playing with the day before. I said you know you wanna come with me. Let's fly up so we went up in schwarzenegger was there and stallone and wesley snipes and all these people and anyway there was the table with carmen electra yeah of course where i'm going to go and gravitate of course so we went over there and they were all real nice and i was with josie theodore to who's like you wanna use the word man. I don't you know if there's a bigger one at the time and ended up in the n._h._l. M._v._p. A couple of years later but anyway he was with us. It was always good to go out and montreal with theo and i said and i remember having a good night. I probably exaggerated but we ended up meeting some real hot women. I don't know if they were carmen electra style if she wouldn't say boo she was just. It's all one word answers. They'll stumble. The answer's no stubble. She was beautiful though but you know she was with dennis rodman well. I think that wraps things opera. Kinda got off the rails. They're a little bit but <hes> hey anything. You guys want to talk about game but i know i'll probably be on at some point in the future again biz. Maybe maybe it'll be a yearly thing who knows all i'd come here every year. Well that wrap things up terry. We appreciate your time. This has been an unbelievable three days and saint john's newfoundland and <hes>. Maybe i'll start calling it. If an land new flick hitler is called new at first when i came in you said saint john newfoundland first of all if you said saint john in public you're gonna punched in the face because at saint john's and it's newfoundland but we'll throw you a bone in that same guy and everybody knows that listening so they're going to give me the benefit of the doubt and we're going to wrap this up and let's hope that are transgender story ori brought light to a subject and arron asham. Should we don't see. We're not going to answer that phone. Call hopefully are transgender talk openly and shed some light on a very sensitive topic and i hope no one received that the wrong way exactly guided glad you got back to that. I i hope so too and i want to thank you again on behalf behalf of everybody that you've interviewed here this week and bath and my family especially because i know there's a bit of a stick and we have a little bit of fun but for you to come down here and pay this much attention my dad if there's anything that that meant that man loves stories and he loves the life that he's lead and for you guys to put this out here and this level publicity it brings a tear to my eye because <hes> i know what he thinks of at biz and youtube g and the boys thank you guys. I really appreciate everything you've done. I this week you are special people in the special a place and i can't wait for people to see it. Thanks for scratching me in. That was a good time. I can't wait till people see that. No problem grenell little action on the island this week uh-huh odd fish. He's anyway that wraps things up. Thanks guys. That interview was also brought to you by gun show boys. We talk about it on the shaw shaw time hockey players have gigantic ashes. We saw grinnell drooling all over crosby sties. We're we're up nova scotia a couple months back. Dudes cannot find jeans to fit them talk. He plays in particular. How big is big ass. That's why gong show has redesigned to standard pair of jeans. The new hockey legs jeans are made by pocket players players. Boggy plays using an engineered stretchable denim to give you that extra room. We need it. Most the days of squeezing your hockey ass into uncomfortable tight fitting jeans <music> out over priced at eighty five dollars appear. These beauties won't break the bank oil-rigs. 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We spent a little bit more time in the in the basement and as terry mentioned that interview his love for the beatles else his his father gets into it a little bit as well so some very good insight and we gotta ask you stop me at u._t. Tech to the group chat not too long ago and this is exactly athlete the texts you sent remind me to talk about people mentioning business close on the golf course and that was obviously the sandbags invitational and listen. I always taking a lot of abuse. You were getting a little bit too for rocking a hanley and you you love your hanley's. I love them. The most comfy best look insurance going and the thing that drove me nuts as we check the forecast. We're flying in there the night before we're supposed to play golf but then we look the night for like ninety percent rain the entire day so so both of us where the guy will not gonna bring off. You're not going to have to golf or not have to go for playing golf. What do you know it gets nice. Hold after the interviews. Let's go oh swing so we go in. At least i bought golf pants in there and like golf shoes. They didn't give a shit so everyone's like how you guys dressed like that because the pros like guys don't worry about go right ahead so biz had his ear on i my hanley on and we didn't buy a golf shirt just because some guy on twitter wanted us to have a collared shirt on playing golf so it was like i mean people down the course because they let us i mean you. You're gonna address however you can't the only reason i wear golf courses because you have to most courses so i didn't mind. You're look look actually bids. I mean yeah. I was getting joggers like i give a shit. Fucking thousand kills figuring grenell in the gulf situation who won the pole pool so with great pleasure. I say that biz nasty is the the people have answered and in the case of biz nasty being a sand sam beggar and he is not guilty is not fifty. Four percent of people believe that was not aww sandbag actually jumped up to fifty five percents well there you go and we'll as noted. The poll is not binding. That's what a judge for very i mean. What do you think what is he's your general consensus after hearing both arguments and we'll move on quickly yeah well we were so we were going to get it <hes> yeah. The poll is not binding. We just ran the paul but you know biz. I did listen to the testimony and you did admit in within your own testimony that perhaps you should have been. Maybe a sixteen handicapped so you're essentially admitted guilt in in that statement however i would compare it to sort of manslaughter you. You didn't commit murder one hit you kinda. Maybe accidentally sandbagged. I don't think it was delivered <unk> and fully thought out however you weren't twenty handicapped so i do have to levy of finding this situation. <hes> i find guilty of sandbag in the third degree agree. I think that's the lowest degree the manslaughter version sandbagging and the penalty will be the next time is four knuckleheads it together which will probably be very soon in new york city <hes> you have have to take us out to a high end restaurant steak r._a. Leveraging crosby mckinnon's tab to get himself a meal now yeah ah i was gonna say i was gonna say leverage to a guaranteed rematch against those guys which is going to happen because they both text me me. They want a rematch and i'll even be nice enough to go down to a fourteen navy even thirteen handicap would that be reasonable what yeah they're gonna get dumped again all right and and so that's all i got for the gulf talk all right so that that settles the old kangaroo court stuff <hes> we didn't have obviously august dot dog days osama a whole hell of a lot going on by the way i love the dude we tweeted out the actually grenell you tweeted out on tuesday. The picture was two years to the day that child mcevoy was at my. I placed two years ago. We did the interview someone's like oh. I'm here to refresh for the comments on. I._r._a.'s pat and i'm like bro. You wanna tool on my eight hundred thousand dollars. Single family family house added buddy on that r._e._i. Almost came to your defense there. I was going to say that place was fucking awesome place. It's like oh dunkin donuts all over the place. It's like yeah there. Were two cups in there. People are just crazy when they unlikely they see some online. They just like. It's like they make shit up but the making shit up online with the picture of my quebec pee wee world championship team brian mcconnell brian handled jack really i'm not aww picture in our air rights and here. We have a young dog so it wasn't even may yet what was point. It was pointed out to me by whoever saw it and i don't speak french. I i deciphered as much as i could. I think the kid was wearing nineteen in the picture. I nine brian okay why why by the way why did he have different pants on than yandell. Did you notice that a white trash out for a team. I don't know i guess we didn't match pants. I got a picture again. We didn't have matching pants. I'm pretty sure the guy we thought was you because i was like damn that weltman like he had an awkward phase a little bit there but it turns out. It wasn't useful little bit of fake news there. I'm still in the awkward phase if i can join the club <hes> only real like i guess news of note is that mitch monastery bland footsie's with switzerland <hes> per buddy darren gregor a quote. A martyr camp has had discussions with zurich <hes> that's place in switzerland those. I don't know i wouldn't be surprised to assume go there to train in early. September dubious and ferris met last week positive talks but no progress so i don't know if it's <hes> you know <hes> fucking gamesmanship manship from minus camper if he's legitimately wants to go to observe to play the stay in shape but that's the only real major development going on just it's. It's the dead time of the year with just stance john this is. I think if i'm the g._m. I say go go overseas and play. Go have a great year congratulations. I don't and leaves fans them fucking crazy it's hard to it's hard to keep having this argument if you don't know what the legitimate number that that toronto is offering them if it's ten and a half million a year and he's he's playing this game and they're offering eight year deal. I don't know man at some point. You gotta have some stones as a g._m. And say and say fuck you go overseas ingoldstadt and go rot go what would even make over there a million bucks. He'd be burning. Make that in switzerland okay so let's let's. Let's see five hundred thousand conservatively. Okay leave your ten million on the table and go rot you screw. You screwed yourself out of everything that you're arguing for over the next seven years. Am i crazy easy to think that i know he's a these their most important player maybe second best. I mean that could be debated all day long but i know we talked about this. Whether it was last kosova two ago we did it. It was last episode and i am sure people are sick and tired of hearing about the toronto maple leafs in their their free agency or are there. I wouldn't say their free agency sorry. They're they're signing situations but i don't know man. What do you think what i think you said it perfectly imagine if they did fi actually think and say a all right fuck it. We'll just take a beating for non sinema. We've offered a fair amount. Go ahead and then that's the actual way that they could cause bluff. That's the only way like all right. I do play the whole year and then december comes and if they're struggling he ends up getting signed but if not if the g._m. Actually stuck to it. He's got to be like what am i doing. I'm not in the n._h._l. Right now they somehow have that sort of leverage a little bit. At least i mean hardest hardest see the way it was gonna play out but i think i think they might have bit themselves asked a little bit with the kneeland or situation where if they would've said fucking wrought to him. I don't know i don't know if martin would be pulling this shit because then they know now it's a little easier knowing that there's probably going to be room for them to cave and it might take a month or two for him to get exactly what he wants but if you look at the kneeland or situation and they actually make that guy stood out a year and say no we're going to either give you this deal that we were going to offer you are you can go sit out a whole year. It changes a lot of things moving forward knowing that the g._m.'s really really serious and you're gonna you're gonna play a full year during the prime of your career in the n._h._l. And you're going to have to go overseas to do it in and it has nothing to. I have nothing to get smarter. I just think that the number that they must be asking for us like it's delusional reminds me of the old harry sinden quote <hes> when <hes> who is it yo- away you know was threatening to go play over and i believe it was switz- switzerland as well and <hes> harrison and said practice yodel and like as i go fuck yourself alf l. really harry sinden didn't give two shits when he was dealing with contracts and yeah i i'm pretty sure <hes> joey didn't end up going over to switzerland by inmates running the asylum these days all these young kids get whatever they want yeah different different game different game and other quick new fact fly biz new the newfoundland growls won on the each e. h. L. kelly cup this past year which we discussed at length <hes> the first professional hockey trophy newfoundland history wow you're just full of the fun facts tonight all them russian province is in biscottis party with the cup in the road warriors on our youtube page. Check that out yeah. We finally got in touch with zac o'brien who was actually the m._v._p. From there as well and we mentioned in the video some people try to make a big deal about an article after we're there grenell posted a picture on the spit and check let's account. They went over the strip club. There i forget the name of it and they had a little bit of fun. I think they one of the strippers dropped the trophy and it broke but it was the fake trophy because they still don't have the real one which the colorado eagles have hostage until they get their fine money back and we went through that stories so great seeing zac o'brien in a few of his teammates and congratulations on winning that championship. What do you think should we go over to the the next newfoundland legend of the show teddy priscilla what towns daddy's teddy's a fucking riot. I always love talking to him so without further ado let's in that over to teddy per show this this interview is brought to you by nitsa from august fourteenth through september second cops across the u._s. will be increasing on impaired drivers. There are three main gene message broker points for the labor day impede driving campaign drunk driving in a vehicle drunk riding on a motorcycle in drunk driving as far as no big big deal talking points. You knew the risks of driving drunk. It could be a crash people could get hurt or killed. You could get arrested. Encourage huge legal expenses and possibly even lose your job. You knew the consequences of driving drunk and you're wrong when you said it was no big deal so drive sober or get pulled over hashtag dr zorba as far as the motorcycle psycho while the motorcycle man in the mirror if you can't trust yourself when you've been drinking if you drink don't ride. It's that simple right. Sobel get pulled over hashtag ride summa and also feel different okay d._u._i. Covers more than just alcohol drugs that make you feel different will make you drive different in you could get a d._u._i. It's not always drinking could be over. The counter drugs would have always remember though if you feel different you drive different never drive hi dr high get a d._u._i. <music> we are now used to be joined by one of our best buddies. <hes> we're gonna talk to a famous man from leafy understand newfoundland. That's it's how he's told me to describe where he's from perfectly teddy pursell. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast on a special newfoundland episode wit. You fucked it up again now. The issue now is i'm trying to think of the word understand as i say newfoundland so it's just a complete disaster in in my brain. I know it's tough. I appreciate you guys are trying and i thought it was even cool. You guys made the effort to get up. I was just a little sad that i couldn't make work on my busy. Did you schedule that. I'm an entrepreneur philanthropist yogi right now. I just couldn't say them box sakes. That's probably why people started saying the word new fee because they couldn't figure out how out of fully pronounced understand newfoundland now every time under a hundred epic. Would you take on newfield. You think it's derisive term. Some do you one of no. I don't. I love it. We're like only people in the country like laugh at our own jokes like we you sit around new fees. Tell nuclear jokes and the guys are like dying laughing. I just asked khloe why nufemme newfoundland is looked at as the widow cousins of candida no disrespect no no no disrespect. I don't know i think 'cause we're you know we're so far out. Their own. Really learns about us. Don't really cares about us. The titanic sounds like two hours from her house like that's so we're way out there obviously obviously not that close but then our old premier like made her own time zone so we're we have our own time zones an hour and a half ahead of eastern time anywhere else in the the world's power like the fact that it's just the thirty minutes to and you know it was some newfoundland like that's three extra beers at the bar before i gotta go home just exactly joey small what he's probably booze bag used to be the premier and he wanted make new flanders own little identity and now we get jokes made fun. I was forever but i don't give a shit people back there great of only go to new flint so fuck it. I mean talk about the drinking culture there because it's unlike anything else quite honestly ireland a little bit. You can see over if you can see over the bar. You're getting served. I remember the first time i went to ireland. All these new fee tunes were were on the wanting the same ones like the bears played on your gulf trip right now with all those new pages and stuff. Oh we were bumping him today yea yeah me and they thompson were over in ireland. Remember i call my dad and i was singing all the songs. They was like honey and all these other. He's fucking stolen from us. I call my dad. I knew every song he's like you idiot. We stole them from ireland. People are the people are great. There's a lot of that. I mean in the wintertime. It's tough. There's not much to do this. Snow is how is your house but especially in the summertime there you know there's so much to see it's called the rock for a reason the scenery's unbelievable and people artist friendly and everything like centers around to drink like people don't lock their doors just walk in uninvited but they're always invited and first thing they say is like what are you drinking. You wanna drink servings very social and <hes> boeing's out for bad blood. Everyone wants to have a good time and enjoy life and there was a pretty cool place to grow up <hes> see. I'm pretty social friendly guy. I think that's where all stems from no so you've you've been screeched and then grenell did and you end up making out with a cod like normal. He's suppose you just give him a little back but grenell. He's trying to take down. I've actually seen grenell in l._a. That cod looked better than a couple took down. Our west kills was account but no if you're if you're looking you don't have to do that but i still have trouble saying that the saying screech reaching a bunch of buddies but it's all in good fun so teddy you're you're extremely mr right now on the scholarship in wisconsin one you've been on before and and there's a famous amos new dan cleary who runs the whole show and you should see him right now on a soapbox voters handicap today. He said this study. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. I make that final l. decision on this golf skull third on seventy video. He goes you know he's he's eleven handicap. I think he shot in the seventies again and he goes edinburgh or teammates all week. Do you know why are fucking trip. We make any rules. He's telling so he's telling me that next next year <hes> your pencil then and now i believe on pennsylvania for the danny clearly haughey school which goes on during the george she festival. Is that a possibility. You will be there. Yeah yeah i. I've been actually boycotting danny for a little bit me and chloe had a golf tournament that we actually raised a lot of money and every cent went back to charities different charities. He's every year we'd mix it up because it's so hard to pick. Just one and danny would never come the only new for the big little. I wanna cup. We'll ride won a cup. He was there we had joel sort and we had stammer we had been in the cavalier. We had danny he. We had we everyone. There and dan was trying to be too cool. We're like dan passenger on that team. You're seventeen forty scumbags. Come to the puck and tournament and <hes> just joking. He was a big piece of when the when the wings one but <hes> <hes> i was like nope not going near your hockey schools but i i've been to a few he does a great job him and his buddies corey crocker and more z. and <hes> mark reynolds and all the crew back home <hes> and i i didn't make it home this summer but next summer yet it's actually a double whammy you get to help out. Some kids go with a great grew and obviously hit up george. She fessel astle which is <hes>. It's fun to experience. It's kind of like coury stampede or like a poor man's vegas. They shut down. The street and people are so happy and friendly. You treated so good and it's going to be a long flight home in one. You won't wanna drink again but the days leading up to it you'll be. You'll be glad you check off your list so oh. You'll love this one today. <hes> oh and i did tell him yeah. We'll come up. You know how much you're gonna pay us. He's like motherfucker so we're we're playing together today and i hit one on the screws i was i was like oh i hit that one good and then bear does now everyone. I do need to say bears long. He murdered the ball so we get out of shoes. Every time you need repairs studs because some come on let's why is no knees because he just swinging so hard so we get up. There's there's one ball forty yards ahead of another and i hit my soul oh good i'm like i think he got him. The siamese i wanna make a bet hundred bucks hundred bucks. I'm like okay. He starts snapchat away with thinks that he drove me. Thanks drove me. All of a sudden we get up there to the shorter the ball of course it's mine and he just walked he goes. I'm the best seven on the planet third and i look like i'm twenty five years old his get me go got me through today. I'm in new york grinding without seeing this so jealous. I'm on that snapchat trained diane. But how can we cut about khamis knee what happened. He said he got bugsy. They go like mountain climbing and his dry where something just like army crawling through driveway so when bugsy picked me up it was ten in the morning running on sunday i call them and he sounded horrible might pugs what's up so we get in the car. He was the most hung over person on the planet. He hadn't drank at seven weeks. He's off the piss this so he just went hard. That's not true because i drank the when i was in minnesota there for for doing some content with the coyotes so bugsy lad mean <music>. This guy are you. Are you surprised with this week. I've been stretching my body feels good so calming him went out with the other boys paradise in handy and they got after it was tequila all day on the course they played twenty seven hewlett sodas for twenty seven homes with bugsy and then they went out and then they got on the whiskey. I'm like dude. That's a tough transition so they just ended up just being waffle then. I guess it's pouring rain outside and what happens. Bugsy wants to start wrestling. You know how he gets so i i no no no no and he always goes after the big guy knows you know he knows he just he goes. After calming and bugsy get away get away and all all of a sudden they you know two hundred to two hundred and thirty pounders go tumbling down because bugsy tackling calm calming raped his knees been bleeding for three we days still hasn't put a band aid on it so it was an interesting tonight. I flew in sunday but i just got the whole run. Down and bugs was bugsy so we had a teatime at hazeltine teddy eddie at like three thirty. We got there so early. One o'clock bugs. He's like dude. I need to take a nap. He put on planet earth his escalade and took a nap and they easily z. National golf club park hours which episode how nice swing on that video video posted on outside the t block. He had no idea that's good. You can't even make that up. He was like there's no ways playing golf. I was he. I've never seen him feeling. This is bad. I'm like there's no chance so he ends up making it played phenomenal you striping around that whole which he did miss the teebox check out my twitter. It's a funny video. He was the two hundred ten yards. He put it to like. Six fees actually feel pretty good. We were talking about joe and we <hes> we miss you buddy. I know i would try to get on that trip with their teddy. Boys what you're up to. I know you've been working hard. This summer because a lot of guys are working on their game in the off season and oats. He's got you travel all the way across north america who you've been working specifically <hes> kind of all over man toronto toronto's a lot 'cause the guys. There's a lot of guys there max dummies out there shaif wheel stammers out <hes> connersville few times there burnell nurse <hes> strong. I mean there's so many guys i came to keep up just said jack just in town snow. Go riley selke chelsea when my favorite players ever he's out there snap at around trying to get better named his kid jameson to love me more than even know that talk. I talk about talk about an ultimate ultimate player and ultimate throwback guy <hes>. We've got some of the devils here. This taylor hall just joined the squad old sports group company which is good. I'll take credit for that and ask for a raise here in about a half hour. Thank goodness this halls law hall. You look so good his knees back address for a little bit because he went through <hes> some insecurities of he's getting <hes> didn't didn't really know what it was and now you've got the green light it was just me just me and him and make him not last week in toronto and it it was a smaller rank like three on three but what else he does. It's very cerebral and it's just very specific so you don't need a whole lot of space but halsey was like fucking mock jet <music> out. There almost took me in osceola four times. Take a breather you animal just so excited to get back on the ice and to learn and he's you know his big big goals to stay healthy for eighty two games and get those guys back in the playoffs. I was <hes>. I'm happy he's <hes> he's trying to change something and hose out l._a._x. A bunch of guys out there comps in and and greg pattern from minnesota glaring lose to sign up to out skate with him. I was so scared everytime he looked males that oh god is gonna gonna punch me in the face even though we live on the same street but it's a good man it's fun. It's a lot of travel in the summer but you know it's it's really fun working with the guys for being out of the game. It's a it's a good transition. You're you're still around the boys. You should shit in the locker room hanging out with them after you go for a nice dinner so it's a poor man's way of not being in the n._h._l. Definitely the poor man's way of not making two hundred biweekly every week faulk so teddy when you're traveling professor oats how many guys altogether answers just youtube to other guys meet you there. How's that work is it. It almost like a god's there. He is the secretary as a lawyer at bought in and he has like another account managers say his two video guys that like send clips of all the guys and then the other guy out out east. His name is chris. He helps set up a different new contacts for us if they're younger or older older it's just yeah. It's me and him on the ice. I'm really pushing hard to a higher and other guy so i don't have the travel as much as this. I'm like oh gee. I mean way way to any back door passes. I got five on three mardian stammer vinny. I don't need to be grinding with this kid right. Now you kidding me. I got a place on the beach shit. What's player's gonna come out of nowhere. Pop forty this year. I mean all the guys that he has a pretty good. I think max max. Domi looks really really good to me. There's some are shaping wheels or every year. Those guys like keep taking off the way jack michael shooting the puck airedale holy shit <hes> so i i guess no no real surprises yeah. There's a lot of de that are just they're moving better handle on the puck better. I know it's not a game but <hes> when you look at it looks legit and no everyone tries different stuff in the summer whether it's like jumping over pylons or doing this doing that. Let's he doesn't. There's none of that and the guys look good. They're populist good. They put the puck in the right spot their heads up and hopefully that allows them to make more plays get more touches on the park being a better balance position. They kind of go either way. We were not stuck and then at the end of the day and save spots. You're not getting your bell rung so hopefully all that add up up pretty good year so we'll see teddy with louis where the change of scenery i think he could get back to you know pop fifteen twenty. How's he looking out there. Yeah he's good man. He's obviously last year and emma tennant and lucina buddies and he'd tell you guys the same stuff i think he went through a hard time couldn't find himself in the lineup and there's a lot of pressure restaurant there and it wasn't working out and <hes> the g._m. Seems pretty pumped about the change of scenery and loot sign up right away and he was horny to get on the ice nice with him and he he knows he used to get you know forty. Fifty sixty points and everyone i know says the game is faster but there's a lot of slow guys in the n._h._l. They're still pretty pretty good players right now the slowest guy in the n._h._l. By any means so if he gets a little confidence back in and learn how to handle the puck a little bit better and get these reps in right for sure he can be the scary bastard. He was his whole life. I'm pumped porn all right buddy well. We appreciate you so much for coming on dude dude and i think that when we're talking about where you're from it i think people see how cool it is when they when they hear you and and all the stuff you've done without so thank you i yeah i definitely would have came if you were there. I don't know if i could have dealt with grenell for three days could ask you quickly though about terry ryan terry ryan senior 'cause we had them on the latest edition of road warriors. They are their characters and seniors. Probably i'll be one of the more interesting guys i've ever met. Just talk about growing up in newfoundland and saint near saint john's in hanging out with those guys. Yeah i mean they were a little bit older than me. I the always i don't even know how i think. He got drafted ninety five right. I'm sure they told you six thousand times and you're there. It's still raw so we're that's ten years older than me. I remember when i was like going downtown. Sixteen seventeen over a terry sows sows with ryan clo- like this hockey guys looked up a little bit older than you and you know tears the first pick and he had cool pictures and cool stories so that's kind of gravitated to there's old man to come out and start telling stories so it was like a comedy show down there. We couldn't get get a word in where to listen to all these stories and then sometimes it's dad would go downtown with us and we wear a shirt that would said myself drafted higher than jerome again the so is it was a total of comedy show i mean and some of the stories of draft day with i'm sure he told you guys like mike milbury want and all this the turn their dallas yeah the dallas thurs training camp when he had the helmet on but he's afraid of heights. I mean the stories you. You can't even make them up. I haven't heard the the heights one. Do you mind retelling it yeah so long story short there in dallas. I think bob gainey was in montreal sends them to dallas on a camp. He's doing really well well actually and they're like madonna does ubu zubov all the big boys there hatcher whoever the move any belt were turco doing this army training thing so they're climbing up a light pole all and they had the helmets on and it was like repelling across or some and terry was the last guy so all the boys are cheering them on like mo madonna the boys that come on you. Are you got this buddy like team. Building stuff and bob gainey or someone was like periods not scary. He'll talk. It's not scary why though bach mai we're not helmet was he passed gas. He ended up doing it and then i think they're in hatchet like founded leg by accident like blew up ankle and that was kind of the last straw the n._h._l. But there's always stories like that. It's a comedy show man you go over there and you listened to all we have a few beers and then have our night out there so if you wanted to talk to work on your game or talking to girls right that's not the spot 'cause it's hard to get a word in but for some good memories and <hes> getting the boys together down this basement. It's it's an experience for sure ability times. You guys are a special breed. We thank you for coming on new fee weak and okay. You're okay with that term so use it in this one so thanks for joining us and that's all i got get teddy's the fifth lead new fisker in n._h._l. History with three hundred seven seven points in five hundred seventy one so if r._a. Who has the most points by new p._s. Season suck on that <music> is <hes> is that interview was also brought to you by stitch. Mix personal style is like a fingerprint. Everyone has their own would have your style. The expert stylist at stitch fix ready. 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You keep everything in your box. That's stitch picks dot com slash. Japan's stitch dot com slash jiggling ambig- thanks once again while pal teddy pursell always entertaining because i didn't realize he was the fifth leading scorer in a new free history. I was a little fun fact for the for the boys and girls out there tonight <hes> brunelli we couple uni uni news right carolina herrera her hans hurricanes. Everybody was beaten that fucking joke to death on twitter a biz hurricanes odyssey of property and so it's con- it's it's called hurricanes volume the film film fest fuck. Yeah i call it the con film festival lyford with yes used but i'm kind guy so that's that's how i'm keeping it either way. The carolina hurricanes get new away jerseys. I think it's pretty shop look. I think anything is better than the the black fucking schwarzen- jerseys that they've had for the last few years but what's your take on the shirt. I liked him a lot. I did i mean i thought that the cool part was the sea grant. Only one guy has it with the two black things like the hurricane flag or whatever that is but i think it looks pretty pretty sharp sharp. I mean i like when teams change jersey besides the greats like the blackhawks canadians. I don't mind when teams the hurricanes are columbus like minnesota order like they can change jerseys. They should do all the time. I think so something new should help them but still there's still like bottom ten teams in the league for just overall jerseys. I'm not they don't get me going at all so you'd be pissed at the seattle soon armies the seattle. He's the twenty seven guesses at seattle. I'm yeah that's a good one though but like i said you name. It and i have to fuck natural disaster. That kills kills so many people well. That's that's like. I go back to the atlanta flames. I mean that that's a name. I we brought it up before too n._h._l. Teams with a civil war and spy nickname of course columbus blue jackets being the other but the atlanta flames like okay. Hey i got. I got an n._h._l. Expansion team. We're in atlanta. They burn this down one hundred twenty years ago. Let's it's called. The flames even know that that was a thing wet no clue until just now. I thought there was a big fire in chicago. There was one of those two never heard her. The one atlanta larry's cow bennelong data a lot of big fires and chelsea mass tupelo while around it. You're just a walking walking encyclopedia. Today are fucking every day man every day but it the pipe what else we got going on boys any any other final news. I know we got one one last note here. I was gonna bring up longtime. Hockey writer russ conway died <hes> tuesday at the age of seventy. If you're not familiar with the name you really should be his incredible. Reporting was able to bring down one of the most corrupt scumbags in hockey history history alan eggleston alan iverson. If you're not familiar with them he helped found the players union originally but he played both sides. He would tell players that you don't wanna post your salary owlry because you don't want your neighbor knowing how much money to make which in reality what he was doing was keeping salaries down because guys didn't know what other guys will make and <hes> and that that help the owners out. Oh he's the guy who fucked bob. You're over the bruins when they were striking to signed bob. You're on the mid seventies. They offered him <hes> pot of ownership. They i think thank you wanna say it was eleven or twelve percent. I mean the bruins. That's how much they love bob. You're they were saying. We're going to give you fucking ownership of this team and this fucking dirtbags scumbag alan iverson eggleston never told bob your that misrepresented everything. That's why bobbio went to chicago because of eagleton. I mean it when you think all time. Scumbag agents is alan alan eagleson and then everyone below him. He's just a dirt bag. <hes> so i'm sure i back to russ conway. He has reporting basically brought down alan iverson <hes> he didn't win the pulitzer. He was dominated for it. Which is an incredible accomplishment for any right of a particular hockey writer in america and united states rather his article showed like i said how much of a duplicitous to this piece of shit eagleson was as of the resulting investigations in both canada in the u._s. Eggleston ended up doing six months. He had a forfeit his order of canada. It was booted from the hockey hall of fame <hes> frankly he deserved even more than that so it not all happened because of the due-diligence and the great reporting of russ conway <hes> i oh i didn't never met him. I didn't know him. Everybody who worked with him said he was ace's he's also the elmer ferguson would <hes> hockey all famous well was i if that's the proper terminology awarded a one if it either way <hes> we went off rock imbalances his friends and family and p._s. Because <hes> this guy he changed hockey history. He brought a really ugly chapter opted to light that a lot of people didn't know about and i think he also brought a lot of closure to people because you know boston is still hot broken that you know we still get triggered. When we see pictures of bob your earn the eagle indian ed jersey <hes> and showed the fact that conway was able to kind of get some justice for for bob your he's always going to be thought well thought of in this area so again again condolences to the family friends and peers of russ conway did <hes> did bob your and soon there were some court cases down on ya on shitload a guy who sued him because he lied to all his clients to he was an agent and he was working for the union. I mean the guy was triple. Dip scumbag. I i'm i'm not sure what kind of chaos settlement or may or may not have gotten obviously checking online but <hes> but again this is stuff that was what people knew the shut the fuck amount about it but i did some arm or down a little bit of a debbie downer to fucking in the episode fucking scumbag alan iverson well. That's why we can you know mix it up and talk about a few other things that people might be able to join that flexibility him as on prime this weekend well. Here's a here's a question for you. Has anyone else ever been taken out of the hockey keyhole fame good one or is he the only guy me when i pissed on the fact that canadian's jersey but that's not going to do with anything else. Oh ooh did that no no. I didn't think i actually jerked off on the bruins hardware but i can't isn't isn't can't use until i see neil. Hey i got. I got a great documentary recommendation for <hes> if you if you're screwing around on net flex flex now i could could care less about the baseball steroid scandal few years back the biogenesis shit. I tapped out on baseball <hes> but billy cohen. He's an excellent direct. He's from from miami's familiar with all the corruption craziness that goes on a florida he directed his documentary about by biogenesis labs called screwball <hes> i put it on when i was on vacation up a couple weeks ago on a lot. It was by far one of the most entertaining documentaries. I've watched all year <hes> i. It just breaks down the whole story of how everything happened happening. Just how many idiots and characters were involved with all this stuff but what he does which i thought was a brilliant bring thing was all the re-creations when you watch documentary they recreate the the scenes that people describing. He used kids for all these scenes so he'd have little kids that like dress like manny ramirez dreadlocks. Why does a a senior club a when kids dress like the mall headgear do the only thing they didn't show kids. Don't back in two hundred hundred side is it was miami and it added a very comedic eric element to the story and then they'll lip synching the actual adult voices. It was fucking hilarious but the story was wild because again as so many fucking crazy jack you you don't even have to care about baseball steroids any of that shit. What's the name. It's called screwball all right. It's unbelievable like we play barry bonds. Who's got the biggest melania melania the group here yeah so i if you're on netflix looking for a dark check that i also i rented <hes>. What did you see rocket man the elton john on movie nope. That's on the list. Gotta see that is a good. I really enjoyed it. I think it was the movie. I think bohemian rhapsody wishes it was rhapsody. Perhaps he was good. I didn't think it was great. I thought it was a way to sugar coated for a guy like freddie mercury but rochman elton john you know he oversaw a parts of it he he didn't sugarcoated. I mean you know he was a drug addict. Sex addict z. check all those boxes and he was pretty open about letting the the creatives bring that aspect of his lows aspects of his life to the to the screen. It was almost like a musical the way they filmed some of the scenes but <hes> yeah it was kinda. One of those ones you feel good after you watch 'cause i e jays gets them. Killa lot tunes. I've seen that eagles documentary that one's you said this this new elton john one's more of like a movie style it kind of like bohemian rhapsody yeah rochman is a movie. It's not a documentary. It's okay but it's very well well. It's very creatively done it was it wasn't as standby. Have you seen this one. It's long long great how how they kind of broke up and it all it all ended up turning to shit towards the end. Yeah i saw the part of that was. That's one that i'd recommend recommend me. We took what was the one we talked about. Recently that was all it was the the dr dre and jimmy defiant ones. I was you had mentioned recently yeah <hes> all in one more to <hes> it was on paramount <hes> sunday night paramount network which used to be spike and they replay this stuff all the time. I was a documentary humidity about the the late great. Patrick swayze was called impact and so yeah i heard about that want. It looks incredible law. Do i want to talk about young blood. You know what that was one of the few movies that did not get mentioned law kid so many like fucking yeah you know once gray gray ghost ghost point break dirty dancing. The outside is like my father's favorite movie roadhouse. I've still never seen it bingo roadhouse in it's good it's because you little costa the could see how much affection love they still half. The guy is very moving part. I mean it's if you're already on the edge and you watch you definitely gonna shed if you did akao while while i'm in a plane in oh yeah definitely but swayze deaf in one of the biggest hunks in music. I'm sorry movie history so if i if you're a swayze fan you definitely gotta check it out very good. I enjoy the rest of your golf trip man and hopefully you can post some more videos and get some funnier stories for next week's podcast on the boys. We gets it's <hes> five rounds left. Maybe six rounds left so <hes> there'll be more and i'm going to lock up. 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Tim Baker's Big-Hearted Solo Debut

World Cafe

25:36 min | 1 year ago

Tim Baker's Big-Hearted Solo Debut

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from warner brothers pictures presenting blinded by the light for anyone who's ever had a dream. You're not alone from the director of bend it like beckham <unk> arinda chapter inspired by a true story and the music of bruce springsteen in theaters august sixteenth. Hey you're listening to world cafe tallish langer when it comes to life changes these are two big ones going solo after being in a relationship for a really long time and leaving the place. You're from to move somewhere new. My guest today has been through both his name is tim baker. He recently released his first solo album after more than a decade of playing with his friends friends in the really beloved canadian band hey rosetta and he moved from his home on the east coast island of newfoundland to the sprawling major metropolis of toronto rondo. Tim came out the other side with a solo album called forever overhead that captures complex feelings in big-hearted way. I think he's such a special songwriter performer and i'm really glad he stopped by the world cafe. He started us off with a live rendition of his song. All hands <music> aided in my troubled mind. I'd hold back to those summertime. Boy william over windows why communal on lula saw my cousins listen to you it back in aw aw the only way aw cannot say the mainland calls gig my dad. I'm only go to those early blake goal. I won't be scared. Awesome the candy uh <music> <music> <music> <music> <music> <hes> <hes> uh they <music> live at world cafe that is tim baker performing all hands from his debut solo album called forever overhead. I'm so glad to have you here. Welcome thank take. I'm very good. Well that song <hes>. I guess exemplifies the reason why i wanted to bring you on the show. I feel like we have not heard a lot of uplifting music as of late and the build that you come to in that song and the feelings that you evoke and sort of like the the good vibes that you carry with that tune and with the video are what they really wanted people to hear so. I'm particularly happy to have here. Thanks yeah sure <hes> so tell me. What's the secret like. I think when you're superpowers is a songwriter is is creating eating of build like that where you almost don't notice that it's happening and then it sneaks up on you <hes>. Is there a secret that you can impart <hes> about doing that. I don't <hes> <hes> jeez. I don't know about that. I mean that <hes> most of them. It's mostly just emotional. I think really and then like this an interesting interesting song. It's interesting that you call this hopeful <hes> and and positive <hes> because he didn't start that way really i mean it's a song essentially it's a song about are being homesick and being away from your people in your in your place in your past <hes> and i wrote it having just moved to toronto from newfoundland a feeling all those feelings in so this just felt like a thing that i kept banging into this idea that there was this place that was totally central to who i i was and <hes> and that i felt like i would sort of be going back there. <hes> in life or in indepth i would end up going back there and end up going spectacular where i sort of began no matter what no matter where i'm going always ended up where i've been yeah yeah. That's there's there's two ways to look at bat and one is like oh man. I can't escape where i come from. Any other is is beautiful to carry this with me. Wherever i go i love the i love it. When like a sad thing becomes like simultaneously the happy thing as well yeah so for people who have never been to newfoundland land. How would you describe the place that you're from <hes> i mean newfoundland is the most easterly province in canada. It's island <hes> in the north atlantic. Doc <hes> is very rocky and west and foggy and <hes> and culturally. It's like very charming quite irish. <hes> <hes> a lot of irish immigrants in the accent still sort of like half irish in its in its lilt sort of. I don't have much of one <hes> anymore anymore. <hes> yeah in music is a huge thing there <hes> it's it's a place that sort of hardscrabble you know like fisheries uh-huh <hes>. You can't really grow much food there. <hes> the weather's not very good <hes> economies never particularly strong <hes> and so <hes> people use music as a way live coming together and just celebrating and and and blown off steam. It's a great place to <hes> to work inside. <hes> there's an all hands that that that song its title from what does that mean. That's i mean i i always i never know what's what's the term that everybody uses them was a term uh-huh that only we used because there's so many turns of phrase and expressions and things <hes> from new zealand that is a thing i mean that's just a term for everybody so you say that <hes> like i guess guess. Most people know the term like all hands on deck <hes> but that's <hes> we use og like daily. You know like all coming down tonight or all hands here yet. You you know <hes> tonight. You know <hes> just meaning everybody yeah yeah. The next thing that you're going to play for a strange river also has a has an air of going home on on it. I guess i think i think there's a sickness and this song to their vaguely is not always that easy to follow what i'm talking about. So that's all grew out of moving to toronto. Oh absolutely i when i first moved to. I moved from my home in saint john's which anywhere say john's is like a five minute drive from the woods and the ocean <hes> and <hes> moved into a condominium <hes> downtown toronto <hes> which was incr- like so different <hes> all i could see all around me was just gray other condominiums and concrete and it was nothing not manmade for like three hundred sixty degrees and <hes> <hes>. I don't know i just felt like it was wrong. It felt wrong especially coming straight from newfoundland so that's long it's kind of about just yeah wanting wanting to get back back home but also back to like our collective past it in do the things that our bodies were bill to do like run around and <hes> ends. It's about having sex quite a bit as a gateway into you know the truest physical expression of your body <hes> and <hes> uh yeah just a way to get out get out of the condo for a minute okay but faces a strange river. Tim baker strange god four days <music> <music> <music> k._o._a. <music> <music> ooh <music> <music>. Hey <music> <music> in <hes> his ooh mm-hmm <music> they kim eh. Uh uh uh <music> strange river live here world cafe abets tim baker and and and his band with amazing harmonies though you're harmonies are so beautiful and the people you have seen them wonderful. They are clever. Oh they're clever over this. These guys yeah world clever. Why did you call your debut. Solo album forever overhead <hes> well. It's partly because i have sort of dreamt of doing this. The <hes> solo thing for a long time i had a lot of songs that never never really made it onto any. Hey rosetta record <hes> and i and i wanted to them to see the light of day and so i always thought this'll be a thing i mean you do a lot of daydreaming. You mean you're the back of a van week four on a tour <hes> you think about how you're wasting your potential. Oh yeah and you think if i was home i could like i could be writing and i could be putting these these songs out and you do a lot of dreaming about various projects you can do and this has always been one that i <hes>. I've been thinking about. <hes> yeah so forever had sort of like this idea this. This project has always been just hovering over me. You know driving along in the van just always in the offing just above above me outta reach <hes> but it's also a reference to david foster wallace short story called forever overhead which i read a year or two ago and it just spoke to me. It was like describing my exact situations metaphorically. It's a story about <hes> ah boy turning thirteen thirteenth birthday and they're out of public pool and he decides he's gonna jump off. The high diving board for the first time is frozen at the end <hes> sort of to to scare to jump and the guy behind blake. Hey kid you're gonna jumper. What and it kind of ends like that. I mean much more beautiful than that but that's essentially how it ends in and yeah i read this story and <hes> hey rosetta was just turning thirteen and i and i was just about to embark on this <hes> scary leap leap of faith with my family you know getting further and further away as i climbed up and it felt like it was just telling my story and <hes> <hes> and i really enjoy the the title <hes> for a number so yeah. That's why with us yeah so. Let's talk about that diving board moment. I guess where you like climbed climbed up there <hes> and for people who who might not know so he rose at i was the band that you fronted and wrote for for for twelve years. It's really long time and when you guys decided to go on hiatus you played a sold out. I think ten thousand seats arena show at home so it would say like five thousand five thousand misinformation out there on the kids. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. It was a super sold out. I've seen this quote actually right. They got it from all we did like five shows three in toronto and the tunes job but anyway clever manager needless to say you're really well left and people gathered to sorta celebrate <hes> i guess the the end of something or hiatus for something and and and i would imagine that when you're making a decision first of all why did you make the decision. And why did you decide to go on hiatus. <hes> well. I mean truthfully we <hes> our bass player josh sort of made a decision to leave <hes> twelve years a long time to be touring out of <unk> newfoundland which is like you know three days drive to anywhere <hes> to start the tour <hes> and <hes> and you know we're seven peace and and and on the road all time and bringing home very little money and <hes> you know he's he's married and and <hes> it's understandable <hes> and and we were just looking down the barrel of our fifth album and <hes> and wondering if not surprisingly he was like i don't don't think of another one in me man you know i wanna live my life and be at home and and and feel good in my body and sleep and eat you know <hes> and and <hes> <hes> actually i mean. I don't wanna dettori license reasons. He just you know he's just said i. I don't do anymore and that was fun. <hes> and then <music> <hes> archetype player basically adam made the same decision as well <hes> and <hes> and i just felt like <hes> yeah the the fire had sort of gone out a little bit <hes>. I couldn't see my way to make another record without those two guys. Is there like with the three of us are the ones sort of started it back in two thousand and five and <hes> yeah. I'm <hes> feeling pretty good about it to be honest with you. If you'll spitting now to hear you play the only song earn a play for us on by yourself at the keys and it's it's a song called eighteenth hole. Is that okay. Hey <hes> she <music> often a long <music>. I should <hes> <hes> <hes> <hes> into a where. I can calm <music> still something i n._j._i._t. New saw call fair they around <hes> <hes> <hes> ooh <hes> something <music> <music> <music> <music> you and your <hes> just say to eh <music> back career. Did we saw ooh your own <music> saying saying well. Maybe aw it <music> <music>. She kalman's <hes> <music> action russian <hes> so that's tim baker live with eighteenth hole here at world cafe that song it's crushing it is heavy. It's beautiful aw that's so hard to do every night. Actually i do i <hes> i have a hard time coming out of it sort of coming to do i find it strange that opened my eyes after doing this long and there's a bunch of people looking at least in d. It's such a deep. Is that a personal experience to you or collapse combination. It's a combination of things put still feel it very very very keenly yeah yeah. I'm tim thank you so much for being here. It's been a pleasure. Thank you very much. Ravellis spin great see you next time all right. Tim baker my friends. Hope hope you enjoyed that as much as i did. His debut solo album is called forever overhead. Thanks so much to timber coming into play for us. If you ever get the chance he puts on such a great show to go see him live. Thanks to our senior producer kimberly do nod for all of her work on that session. I'm talia slinger and you're listening to the world cafe from n._p._r.

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August 24: Late results, early optimism

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August 24: Late results, early optimism

"Hi I'm Josh Block host of uncover escaping nexium from CBC podcasts. I pull back the curtain on the secret of self help group that experts call a called and follow one woman's heroic journey to get out. The podcast was featured in Rolling Stone magazine and named one of the best podcasts of two thousand eighteen in the Atlantic listened to uncover escaping nexium on CBC listen or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. This is as it happens the podcast addition. Tonight late results early optimism, some of the conservative members who backed Erin. O'Toole our first time MP's one of them explains by she thinks, the new leader has a golden opportunity to attract young voters forcing the issue we hear from lawmaker in Idaho about the moment that protesters some armed force their way into the State House today they're angry about government imposed covid nineteen restrictions. Another police shooting in the US and lots more questions. Protests broke out after police in Wisconsin shot a black man multiple times and elected official tells us his gut dropped when he saw the video at the shooting, Michigan will pay. The victims of the flint water crisis six, hundred, million dollars for the damage done by lead poisoned water. But one flint mother tells us nothing can compensate her for the pain. Her family has suffered caught by surprise a newfoundland fishermen is still reeling after hauling in a very weird deep sea creature that he says, looks more like a platypus than a fish and really bury hungry David Rush adds to his one hundred and fifty plus Guinness World Records by consuming one hundred and seven blueberries. One by one in sixty seconds as it happens the Monday edition radio, the talks to its blueberry in the face. There were delays upon delays, a malfunctioning machine that unhelpfully tore up ballots and a lot of tired conservatives waiting anxiously for a result into the wee hours. But early, this morning Erin tool emerged as the new leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, the Ontario MP, and former cabinet minister began the year as an underdog candidate and manage to beat front runner Peter McKay for the win. Here's some of what Mr O'Toole told conservatives after his victory. We could be into an election campaign as soon as this fall. But as more than two hundred and sixty thousand passionate conservatives have already shown in this record breaking leadership amid pandemic. The conservative. Party will be ready for the next election. And we will win the next election. To the millions of Canadians that are still op. That I'm meeting tonight for the first time. Good. Morning. I'm Erin Oh tool. You're going to be seeing and hearing a lot from me in the coming weeks and months, but I want you to know from the start. That I'm here to fight for you. And, your family. Raquel Dan show is a first time conservative MP in Winnipeg today we reached her in. Gimli Manitoba. Ms Dan. How is Erin O'Toole going to help your party win the next? Federal. Election. Well. I think it just the way that he has the United Party and the most support across the country and really in many of our jurisdictions that are very critical to winning an election. So we saw a great support for him in Ontario we excellent support for him to that. Strong support in the West and NBC I think he's had the most humiliating consensus building moderate message but also brought together parts of our party that's absolutely need to be represented and and respected. So if he could throw that fine needle for the Conservative Party, I'm very confident. He can do the same on the national level that all Canadians what does It say that he felt he had to introduce himself this morning you know I think he's GonNa do Creighton Canadian we'll get to know him very quickly. He's take acceptance speech early, this morning was very well received across the country on multiple news outlets. I think could be very inspiring fighting message and he was also very firm and wanting to reach out. And brought to the Conservative Party base which I think is much needed and very fighting and quite frankly how and I think people are looking for a legitimate alternative to Justin Trudeau and his leadership style and what he stands for I, think they're looking for something new and I think Aaron is that new guy you've said that Mr to had A. Moderate message that he will unite the party. But during the campaign, he promised to take back Canada to de-fund CBC defend Canada's history and institution from attacks on the left and defend the rule of law. That's a campaign message that would tend to play well with the conservative base. How do you think it will play well more broadly during an election campaign? I'm hearing across the country across my own writing that they are frustrated with Justin Trudeau. They want to be legitimate alternative and I see these issues that Aaron is discussing quite frankly does not shy away from a difficult conversation but available to talk about. In a respectful way that could really open up people's minds to different policy alternative and you know Cuba CBC Talks over RV beyond the Conservative Party that ABC's really operating on a dated model and it worked really in the thirties decades following you know I'm sure you'd be the first potatoes fast layoff in journalism over the last decade it's not working and unfortunately the prime minister dates six hundred. At which billion dollars to our chicken or million dollars to the CBC at the cost of our local news media stations that we all depend on. They'll lover local papers receiving the same support. They're not receiving the same support uncompetitive I was impacting our local our local news. So what does take-back Canada me? No well I think what we're seeing across the country as a lot of unrest I. Think you'll remember before as the time democats, there was a lot of unrest with blockades people will work it. Don't like we're seeing a threat from China but really seems to be going. I. Met I think. Aaron is really saying he's speaking of a Canadian patriots. Some pundits and observers saw that as a dog whistle to a much more right wing elements to those who oppose immigration. No I wouldn't agree ouch. Trust hydride conversations with about immigration you recognizes it's incredibly important. We WanNA see secure borders and immigration while respected across the world adequate support for for newcomer a few cheese and that's really not what we're seeing in my opinion Prophet Trudeau government. So what do you think mister tool offers to young people that the prime minister doesn't because the you said you think he'll reach out to millennials and broaden the base of support what we're. Seeing with Aaron Oh tools that he did politics differently he moved online and did a fantastic social media campaign with a lot of really good quality video content and not we know is the future people are taking in the new taking in policy on their phone and Aaron sectors. Standard Rewrote the book on how to do that on social media, the critical as a political leader, and really frankly move the conservative party forward on social media, which is the future right? About them the medium is one thing. The the other is the message of course, and and you know we're dealing with a time of great precariousness for young people. Social media is one thing. But how would your party's message about eliminating spending resonate with young people? Who have been dealing with so many job losses. covid nineteen. Well I think a message really Helen is about fiscal responsibility over the long term. So we would have been in a better position to afford this pandemic. Hi Justin. She does not spend a hundred billion dollars worth of deficits in the first five years or four years of his mandate when I've been hearing this message that he should have been better prepared that he should have shown more economic responsibility prior. But the reality is you've got these challenges this huge economic and health challenges of covert nineteen. So what would your party's alternative be to keep people and businesses afloat at this time during the pandemic? He's looking to unleash the potential of tickets are per natural resources to create jobs and really kick our economy again, and that's exactly the message I believe young people here is an optimism for the future we're going to bring backdrops. We're going to create new opportunities for people working to modernize for develop our natural resources. Plead a strong message people leave them with Canada can create, and that is nearly much how you talk of natural resources development but you know most polling tells us that younger voters are deeply concerned about climate change. In fact, it may be the most important issue to them. so Mr O'Toole has said, he wants to scrap the carbon tax he briefly did say. He backed ending fossil fuel subsidies but the day after that showed up in his platform, he backed off on it. So so what is the plan to address climate change? You know I think would air no tools very extensive platform has shown that he has opened nothing is off the table. He's open to discussing anything that will move this country forward and your rights I think young people are concerned about climate change. In fact, everyone should be concerned about the environment and they should be equally concerned the economic outlook of our country and you know agree I think that with you I think that there's actually a lot of people who are who worked in the resource sector that's forestry. Off Fuel Sector I would even argue agriculture, but they no longer have those opportunities to say go to Alpert A. Scotch on since Justin Trudeau government, those young job opportunities and frankly taken away and young people are really looking for opportunity and have pride with their country creates. That's what I believe and I very much think that we can figure out a way to develop our natural resources treat a robust strong thriving economy and take care of our environment for generations to come and certainly my priorities and I know that's what air beliefs as well as your party gearing up for a fall election I. Think Aaron is saying he's already he has a seat in the House of Commons. We're ready to go whenever the call is eight. But I think we're GONNA be working really really hard over the next number of weeks and we have high expectations for what's going to be that thrown featuring on my of my voters also do and. Will be looking at that with a fine tooth comb my you know we're hearing rumors that there. Are already breaking deals with the EP to be supported by ultimately the concerns they're ready to go to the poll to the Pete Justin Trudeau really anytime. This. Dan Show I. Really Appreciate Your Time Today. Thank you very much. Yeah Piquionne Take Care you too. Bye. Raquel Dan show is the conservative MP for kill Donen Saint. Paul in Winnipeg today, we reached her in Gimli Manitoba and for more on what Ms Dan show had to say go to our website CBC DOT CA Slash Aih. The video is disturbing enough. If you close your eyes there seven shots and then a car horn sounds as though someone has fallen onto the steering wheel. But it's more disturbing with your Eyes Open because you see Jacob Blake a black man in Kenosha Wisconsin going to the driver's side of his SUV fallen by two police officers with their guns raised as Mr Blake opens the car door one officer grabs his shirt and shoots him in the back. Jacob Blake was taken to hospital in serious condition furious protests followed with buildings and vehicles set on fire or destroyed. The Wisconsin Department of Justice is investigating the shooting. Zach Rodriguez is Kenosha county supervisor. We reached him in Kenosha Wisconsin. Mr Rodriguez. What was your gut reaction when you saw this video of Jacob Blake being shot. I felt my my got dropped. That was my initial reaction to see something like this happened in my own city. What have you been able to find out about how Mr Blake is doing today? I haven't gotten updates during the day here I was last updated in a very wee hours of the morning that he was out of surgery and then a stable but critical condition since still critical as far as you know. Correct What more can you tell us about? Mr Blake, what was Mr Blake doing at the time of the shooting? I to my knowledge he was either picking up or dropping off the kids or something of the sort. There are reports that he was actually trying to break up a situation involving other people. Do you know anything about that? Correct I had heard that as well that there was a domestic call for You know that fight and that he may have been trying to break that up when police arrived. Now you went to the scene of the shooting after the news broke. Once you were there speaking to people what did you learn about what happened? Pretty much just just that there wasn't a whole lot it. It sounds like not everybody really saw what was going on that. May Have happened pretty quickly. And yet, there's that that video we point out it is unverified video, but it's been viewed many times over and and it appears to show. Mr. Blaming shot in the back by police. Correct. What questions are still unanswered for you then? A really what happened and and what led to the shooting of a man in the back seven times. Understand you have spoken with Mr. Blake's neighbors is that right? That is correct. What are they telling you? That That's pretty much all they know as well as that, he was trying to break up a fight and next thing you know he was getting shot in front of his three children and the children were inter vehicle where he was shot. That's correct. That's what I've been told. You have now also gone to the site of the protests tossed what you heard from people that you spoke with their. A lot of anger a lot of animosity towards just the current race relationships right now in in the US. You know everybody is kind of seemed shocked and some not shocked at all of that. It happened right here in our own backyard. Why are they? Shocked? I. Mean. As I understand it, there's been eighteen police involved deaths in southeast Wisconsin in the last twenty years. I think it's just it's one of those things where you know you see it on TV and you you sympathize and you feel for those individuals but you never think it's going to be in your own community. Do, you think those past incidents over the last twenty years have been adequately investigated. I wouldn't say, yes or no to that. I think that that takes on a case by case basis. There's there's one here in Kenosha county that happened with the city Kenosha sometime ago. That is so semi relevance and that's an example to me. That was Michael Shooting where that investigation we felt I felt and a lot of community members feel was rushed and not as transparent as it should have been. How would you describe relationships between the police and the black community in that neighborhood? Based on what I heard it it's it's not my own neighborhood. So I don't want to speak for the residents, but to the residents that I did speak with they said that they never had anything like this happen in that neighborhood but I think Tony White Citywide Sherrington Osha there's definitely tensions and those tensions are very high. Well, we saw those tensions wrap up with these protests There was some destruction as well. Can you describe which which you know about that? Yes so I was actually you have the opportunity to see if firsthand most of our downtown storefronts have been very seriously damage. We had some very serious fires going on. I've also been told that there were attempts or possibly successful attempts to start fires in our court house they broke windows, burnt garbage trucks, and they when I say they, I, don't mean the protesters I do those as instigators and those who are simply here to take advantage of the situation but does their action reflect any feelings in in the community among those protesters, ceilings of frustration of anger For sure. Yeah and I received emails this morning from residents both in. Kenosha. County and outside of Commercial County say you know we we can rebuild property but we can't you know bring back somebody who's died at the hands of police when maybe they shouldn't have. You been been pushing for changes in the county to address racism and police violence. What does the shooting say to you about what more needs to be done? I think once we know more facts of the situation and what happened here we can go from there but I think at the very least we need more civilian led groups or committees that that oversee these departments so that you know the community knows that they're being inspected or police department are Sheriff's department. So they they know they're held accountable and it's not just held all within each individual art. The Wisconsin. Department of Justice is the one investigating this The officers involved are on administrative leave right now. Is that the way this should be investigated as that who should be responsible in your mind for seeing what happened? Yes. So if you look back at the Michael, bell shooting that really led to change here in Wisconsin, which led the change nationwide. Wisconsin. Was the first state to pass new state laws that mandates when there's a police shooting in the agency has to investigate. So that way the police are investigating themselves being their own agency I think that's the best way to. Do it. That's the most transparent way to do it by using the Wisconsin Department of Justice to conduct this investigation, there isn't any perceived by maybe that maybe you know this happy with the city police. Department if the county sheriff's department was investigating because those two agencies are housed under the same roof literally, how confident are you that justice will be in this case? Fairly confident and I certainly hope. So there's been a lot of calls that. You know that was you or I that that we'd be sitting in the county jail right now in and I can't help but feel the same way. Mr Rodriguez. Thank you for speaking with us. For sure. Thank you. All Right, bye-bye. Zach Rodriguez is a county supervisor in Kenosha Wisconsin. You can find more on this story on our website CBC dot C. A.. H. Few novels illustrate the importance of unfettered access to books as vividly as the one that takes its title from the temperature at which they burn Fahrenheit four, fifty, one, the McCarthy era cautionary tale remains. One of the most check out books at American libraries, which is one of the reasons libraries across the US got together this weekend to celebrate what would have been ray Bradbury's one hundredth birthday with a celebrity Rita Thon. Another reason is Mr Bradbury's own lifelong appreciation of the institutions. Libraries are absolutely at the center of my life he wants said. Neil gaiman is one of the many authors and actors who took part in the thon here he is with the opening passages of Fahrenheit. Four, fifty one. It was a pleasure to burn. It was a special pleasure to see things eaten to see things blackened changed with the brass nozzle in his fists with this great pythons spitting it's venomous kerosene upon the world the blood pounded in his head and his hands the hands of some amazing conductor, playing all the symphonies of blazing and burning to bring down the tattoos and charcoal ruins of history. With his symbolic helmet numbered four five one. On his head and his is all orange flame with the thought of what came next he flicked the igniter and the house jumped up in a gorging fire that burned the evening sky red and yellow and black. He strode in swarm of firefly's he wanted a bubble like the old joke to Chevy marshmallow on a stick in the furnace while the fighting pigeon winged bulls died on the. Lawn of the house while the books went up and sparkling walls. And blew away on a wind ten don with burning. Author Neil gaiman reading from Fahrenheit four, fifty, one, the Ray Bradbury redefined took place on. Saturday. which would have been Mr Bradbury's one hundredth birthday. If someone asked you to draw a fish you'd probably draw something along the lines of turbot the big round flatfish that looks like something out of a cartoon earlier this month Gary Goodyear was out fishing for turbot. But when the Newfoundland fishermen pulled up his nets, he didn't find that standard fish shaped fish. He found something out of a sci Fi thriller instead we reached Gary Goodyear and Bonneville Debate Newfoundland. Gary take us back to that day on the water in that moment when you first spotted the creature in your net what went through your mind. I mean. We were on the way at our turban knits and. Just, picking a target and all of a sudden this. Thing. Creature bizarre weird looking thing come across the roller. And my God we stopped in our tracks what the name of God. We got there. My goodness everybody reacted the same way. Everybody everybody just stops in the name of God. Is that. So what is it like mean? Well Close thing when I saw I, I like well, we gotta duck billed platypus'll comes the big snow on it and you know affected. But. And so he it Oh, my God. I, never seen leg that. It up how big is it? It was vote three feet long almost. And Yeah. The hub they settled if you ever want to see. Ugly Lips. Oh Yeah Oh man just not was. You know about a foot long and it was vote Say Four inches across and went to a pointed tip and that was just like rubber and when I turn on the soy and his lips, they were about an inch thick right together and not the same and. Know. What the Name of auditors we it? What about the fans? Water fans on it when I spit it out there angels who wins wings. Like birds wings same bird wakes. Wow Yeah. We never seen nothing like that and we didn't know what it was so. I said well, I'll take a picture and just put on facebook preps someone noticed. You know we'll find out and. Indeed, we find what was what is it? Long nosed Chimaera. Long have you ever heard of one before Never thought but before me like Sir Right. And what have you learned about this thing? Well I learned since that I I've seen the marine biologist and people have been talking about it and. I don't even have a skeleton. It's all cartilage got no on whatsoever and I guess that's the snow it was like rubber. neon green is neon green. Yeah. That's creepy. You. GOT THAT RIGHT So I got I, gotta sharp buying go but at the same. Bene- minute and we ran on that with with end. So we it it's spine venomous. Yeah Yeah. That's what I've been reading. And but nobody was hurt no, we were lucky 'cause I mean we were just handle it. You know turn it over and picking up not at US and We're just bear an so. But I guarantee one thing because any more strange creatures, wittig arable. Narran the. Is something that it usually is found in your area around bottom vista debate. No No. No. There's only owner Jacko's the. Cop Out I've seen since like on facebook. One in Nova Scotia. and. Another one somewhere else in newfoundland they're really water face right? They're extremely extremely rare to two cats so. What did you do with it? What overboard. Yes. I did what a dummy? Guy Should it and kept mound are done but I mean. We weren't expecting the case. Things are rare that we just talk was just under different spheres because we catch a lot of different things but this one talked to cake. But at least people know with the photographs and the and the witnesses is not like a fish story or a C. Monster. Straw, there's not a tall tale at all. No. I took pictures there and and everybody thought the men and the crowd came into Port Valley Ville like fisherman and plant workers and people face daughter lives never talked but never seen it before what are those folks? Thank what are your family think? Well, they were talking what the name of God you got. You know and and they all said that, what if you're? Throwing overboard. When you throw it over with still alive. No it was there when we got it because UH. I guess the water pressure changes from you know down in four hundred sixty. Two to surface. So it wouldn't survive that anyway. If you ever found out whether they make good eating. No I don't know that. I. Don't. I wouldn't try anyway because to Oakley. Venomous spine you'd probably have to be really careful with it. Yeah, you wouldn't want to get that one's talking in somewhere you have. You certainly have a story to tell Yeah, yeah. Because that's what the soccer. Story but that you'RE GONNA, go back you'll be like one of those people searching for the Loch ness monster and go back looking for more. Oh my God like if you're ready to find another, one of the most is like winning the lottery twice. As I mean that that will never happen no more. Maybe you should go buy a lottery ticket. I did I. Didn't win all darn. MR, goodyear. It's a it's a great story a really ugly critter of thank you very much for sharing the story with us. Not a problem. Okay. Nice to talk to you by. Nice talking to you too take care. Newfoundland fishermen Gary Goodyear caught a rare deep sea creature called a long nosed kyw. MIRA. We reached him in Bonn abyss. Debate Newfoundland and Labrador. uh-huh. Hi Michelle Shepherd host of uncover meaney from CBC podcasts in Nineteen. Ninety nine fifteen year old charming and on Devel- disappeared on her way to a job that police believed in exist four months. Later, her remains were found in a wooded ravine. I revisit the case that a stayed with me for over twenty years ever since I covered it as a cub crime reporter for the Toronto. Star. You can find uncovered army on CBC listen or on your favorite podcast APP. That I'm wrong. To. Use One small man and giant wheel. But I do wish to say the official that I'm wrongfully imprisoned right now. Uncover season seven. Dead Wrong Killed Tipple if they ask ninety nine. Available on CBC listen and wherever you get your podcasts. Today was not a normal day in the Idaho legislature state lawmakers weren't even supposed to be meeting but governor Brad little had called a special session to deal with preparations for the general election preparations for that session were their own hurdle with measures taken to protect lawmakers from the threat posed by covid nineteen, and yet nothing prepared any of them for what ended up happening this morning. Chanting let us in a large group of largely unmasked protesters stormed the Idaho statehouse clashing with police and breaking a glass door before taking over the House Gallery Democratic House Minority leader Atlanta rebel was there and shot that video. She's in Boise Idaho. Miserable. What's it like at the State House right now. Well we completely flooded with people coming into protest just standing room only in these rooms hundreds of people know masks. had been a plan that the public you know that there was supposed to be very limited occupancy and the into gallery and a large portion of it was supposed to be set aside for legislators who have health problems that they could sit in a safer distance fashion This morning some angry armed protesters came to the door the gallery were chanting and yelling. Very loudly charged a security guard broke the door to the gallery and then got in and you know yanked all the signs off of the seats and took down all the ropes and basically ccupied the entire gallery, and again, you know not distancing no mass no nothing completely full. He's sounds pretty frightening. What were you thinking and feeling? Well, all this was going on. It was very frightening. I mean things were clearly taking a you know potentially violent turnips upstairs my my office on the third floor, and all of this was happening right at the stairs out at the top of the stairs outside my office I was able to take a couple of quick pictures of broken glass on the ground and the little short video of all the yelling and chanting and then it just didn't seem safe to stay there and then like an army of police came passing me all the way down tobacco the guards because the guards were clearly you know outnumbered and getting press back. but then ultimately I think they kind of gave up and they said you know, okay, fine. You know take over the gallery you mentioned some people were armed is that a usual thing for protests there? Well, that is fairly common here. Yes. So that part of things is not unusual here but in my you know I've been in for seven sessions and it certainly was the first time that I had seen. You know that level of. Anger, and and you know actual damage the actual breaking down of door was something certainly I'd never seen here. What do you know about what these protesters want? there's high anger levels at the various precautionary measures that have been taken by government throughout this and I know it was actually one of the states that has taken fewer of the precautionary measures, a lot of other states new But there are some counties in some areas that have masked requirements and the county I'm in is one of them but these folks I think were very angry at a lot of this they were angry at mask requirements they were. Angry at you know the fact that there had been shutdown orders earlier in the pandemic they are angry at you know the fear that there could be a vaccine requirement at some point although there isn't one at all and really no sign of one There's just kind of a whole array of things that I think are getting people worked up in terms of you know past and perspective future precautionary measures would be taken to control depend. DEMOC spreads. In bundy was reportedly among the organizers of today's protest He's well known as the leaders at the armed occupation at the Malheur, National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon back in two thousand sixteen. What does his involvement tell you about this protest movement and WHO's involved? You know it's it's part of a of a of a broader phenomenon that we have out here really enforcing Idaho, which is this sort of anti-government anti-authority movement A feeling that you know everybody should just be be completely free of any regulation or any government requirements whatsoever, and that even you know taking measures that you know may may break the law sometimes I think they feel. Are Okay in service of that ideology, and frankly you know they've always been able to get away with it. The bundy's have a long history of defying federal law. You know some of the crew that was part of that occupation you know would aimed guns at federal agents and occupied. You know extensively damaged federal property and really there was never any accountability for any of that. So I think that movement has become very emboldened that essentially, they will never really get in trouble that everybody will basically turn a blind eye to whatever. Of the law they engage in. I presume there are people there who support wearing masks and were doing. So how divided our people in your state? When comes to this pandemic and the rules that are being imposed? People are very very divided on this issue You know there're there are certainly some who think it's important and who religiously wear their masks There is a large group they're very, very anti mask guy came to my house a few days ago. You know declaring that he will never ever wear a mask and nobody will ever make him and it's his God given right to not wear masks. word even masks burning parties out here is the city of Boise issued masks to people for free as part of their when when they said, there was a mass order they gave out free mass to help people comply with that order and a number of these folks took a bunch of the free mouths from the city and burned them and had mastered burning parts out in the streets. A lot of the folks that are here today I did not see one mask in any of the committee rooms or in the gallery you know the hundreds of folks that are packing the rooms here. Today are not wearing masks at all. So what happens if this becomes a super spreader event as the legislature itself somehow complicit? Well I think so I I have characterized this as a huge super spreader event. This might be the biggest super spreader event that we've had in the state since the pandemic he'd Idaho I mean this is equivalent of you know having a rock concert or something with everybody packed into a crowded sweaty room no mass it's it's ironic that the you know our governor has spoken of the need to wear masks and has spoken of. The Need to control the pandemic spread but then he called this special session with requirements in effect for anybody to engage in any of the precautionary measures or distancing or anything. So I do feel like the government is very complicit right now in putting on a super spreader event, this special session where this protest happened was actually called to look into voting protocols for November and sort of protecting people ahead of vote. Are you concerned about more unrest in advance of the general election. Well I'm concerned for a number of reasons. Yeah. I mean I know actually has a pretty good vote by mail program and you know it's it's quite easy to vote by mail here you don't need any special excuses but now with you know the war on the US Postal Service and everybody losing confidence about whether there will ever actually arrive that will likely push more people into in person voting and the problem that we have here is a lot of our poll workers or senior citizens retirees. Often, people who have health problems. So a huge proportion of the folks who normally are the the the election officials who work at these places have already said they won't come in to work the polls. So that's part of our problem here is we have shortage of poll workers from these folks who just aren't gonNA show up to do it anymore we're going to have to leave it there for now, but we will be watching miserable. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Thank you, bye-bye. Elena ruble is the Democratic House Minority Leader for the Idaho state legislature reached her today in Boise. The Summer Kaelin Robinson his friends were all in the same boat. Votes I assume the sixteen inches from Toronto spent the last sixty days canoeing an epic two thousand kilometers across the province they started in Wa Bikini Provincial Park. North. Thunder. Bay and arrived in Ottawa today by way of the Ottawa River at which point they poor Taj up to Parliament Hill they call themselves the canoe for Covid team. Their goal was to raise money for food banks Canada to help communities during the pandemic. As of today, they've raised over seventy six thousand dollars Kaelin Robinson spoke to Ottawa morning today via satellite phone as the canoe for Cova team prepared for the final stretch. I'd say our our longest day is definitely been on Lake Michigan just south of became provincial park. It was I think day eight of trip when we went eighty kilometers or more across the lake. And and did A. Sixteen kilometer crossing in the middle like so that was definitely a tiring day you know woke up at six finished eighth. What's the best way to describe how your arms and back and shoulder muscles feel after a day like that you're definitely tired but you start towards the end you get these like jolting pains in your muscles. And I it's tough. But almost at the point, especially on a big lake like that where you can see your camp, say to your seat where you're going to camp and. You know tend to call is in the distance, it's really easy to keep going. This trip sounds like it was a bit of a pandemic plan B.. Would you normally have been doing this summer if if the pandemic hadn't come along? Yeah. So normally actually we all met as staff at Camp Bombing. Park. Immune George Saturday rule in quarantine thinking to ourselves. Hey, I don't know if camp is going to happen this year because the code. So. Let's just make a plan. Be Get some of the boys together and plan this ridiculous sixty day trip. and. We'll shoot for the stars and. Do for a good cause and take our community of skill of canoe tripping and actually how people out with it. You know raise the money for food banks that we've raised. Tell me about a highlight and a low light because after two months in a canoe with your, all these buddies there must have been plenty of both. I one of the most difficult parts that we can all agree was our segment from shop low tests. Nola. There's no lakes really there. So it's basically just poor Taj ing. For four days in a row but every port Charles you take bushwack. It's not a cut out area. You gotta cut out your own campsites at night. So it was really difficult time and our trip, and we call that area the dark lands. And we push past that and we make our way out of the dark lands and finally get to the top of the Spanish river and that was, I think the highlight going down the Spanish river after just have been dealing with this difficult pain for the last days and finally being rewarded with a flash flowing current and being able to shoot down some very fun rapid and we've are waiting tests and all of where we were treated very nicely by the locals there and. It was just a wonderful experience. Kaelin Robinson and five friends arrived in Ottawa today after spending the last sixty days traveling by canoe across Ontario he spoke with Hallie cotton him on. Morning The State of Michigan has finally reached a settlement with the victims of the flint water crisis. But that doesn't mean residents flint think the water is safe Michigan has said it will pay six hundred million dollars to victims with most of the money going to children affected by lead poisoning back in two thousand fifteen, the government admitted that the water was unsafe to drink eighteen months after switching the city's water source to the Flint River to save money. Now, it's compensating residents for injuries and property damage they sustained from the exposure. Micky awakes has been fighting for some kind of justice since the water crisis started back in twenty fourteen, she's a flint resident and a mother we reached Ms Wakes in Flint. Ms Wakes, what kind of a difference will this settlement make to the lives of you and your son? Really. I don't know because there's a lot of people that have signed up in his on this settlement. And there has been so much money coming into flint WHO's to say we're going to receive this money. For one I feel like six hundred million is not enough. Pregnant with twin lost them both times. So there's no money that they can give me that would bring my bags back. There's not enough money that they give me to help the lead exposure that my kids have injured I mean just lead exposure is irreversible. Can you take us back to two thousand fourteen and tell us when you first noticed something was wrong with the water. I was had to go to the emergency room cat breaking out they kept giving me Benadryl but I noticed a benadryl would take the buffs and all of that away. But then as soon as I get in the water again. Same thing my daughter had hair loss we breaking out. my son started having behavioral problems I didn't know there. All of that until Twenty fifteen when Governor Snyder came out with leading the water or anything Dr Mona Hannah t started telling about the side effects to kids and babies would have. Then I started noticing it in my kids. This victim compensation fund is for anyone who is injured from the water although most of that money is earmarked for children but you said that you had miscarriages to. Yes I was pregnant in twenty fifteen miscarried twins and then I got pregnant two years later in twenty seventeen miscarried twins again and you blame the water for that. Yes and my daughter had a miscarriage when she was eighteen, she's twenty one. Now she was drinking this contaminated water also, who's to say if she can ever have kids. They'll say five hundred million is not enough. Beyond the settlement, what would it take for you to to believe justice was done? what it would take for me is governor Snyder and everyone involves to be incarcerated locked up. There was death under this water crisis under the nearest the while. Governor. Snyder was in office. He should be held accountable and everyone else should be held accountable for their accent. The State Attorney General dropped all criminal charges last year against eight officials. She does say she plans bringing new charges, but it hasn't happened yet. Do you think it will? Then light. But like I say stuff this has been going on over six years and. We finally got this but as I said, it's not good enough but I mean. There's really nothing good enough until. Everyone is held accountable for their actions to me. How old was your son when the started? Five years old and what effect had on him. Kids currently not going to flint schools because the second hat on him he was already a hd, but the night exposure caused behavioral problems. He has cognitive problems intellectual disability now. So it's caused a lot with my son I mean he started going into puberty early it was just Back to back something going on with this contamination of water and like I keep telling everybody. The LID. I mean that that plays a main part but that was not the only thing that we was exposed to. We were exposed to heavy carcinogens and other stuff that was in the water GM had been. Dumped in pollution type stuff now, water for years before they switched to that water. Will you said that you think you know there's other things in the water besides the lead the carcinogens you mentioned Now that flint has declared the water safe to drink and so many the lead pipes have been replaced. How comfortable are you with drinking taps in your home or use water at all? No one is for one. Everybody's like all they changed the the hype. No they changed the types from the street. We still have the same pipes that was pumping fifteen hundred parts per billion lead through my house. I feel got the plane. So. How is changing from streak GONNA make our water fresh no I understand that they. They'll switch the source of the water back to Lake Huron. Instead of the Detroit River has had that's not alleviating any of your concerns. They can say what they want to we probably still plant water. The river water you really don't believe that they've done. They say, no. No. I always getting bottled water. So you're still spending money for bottled water to drink. Yes. Still paying water bills for water. We can't drink. Right. What would it take for you to trust public officials again I've been asked question a lot and I feel don't have the answer I. I don't know if I ever trust. Public officials. Again. Like I said it's been over six years and we still cannot drink water here in Flint Michigan we're still buying bottled water over six years and I really feel like it because. The majority flint is low poverty and the majority of US is African American. What does this been like for you as a parent? There's been times that I wanted to break down. I mean I lost not two but four babies. And two years. Drinking, contaminated water then have to for the rest of our lives. What's going to go on in ten years from now with my son? Ms Wakes, it's a terrible situation than you're still living obviously with the aftermath of it. All a thank you very much for talking with us. Thank you so much also. All right take care. Bye Bye. Bye. Kia Wakes is a flint resident whose family was affected by lead poisoning from contaminated drinking water we reached in Flint Michigan. Love. David Rush is an avid record collector, the more obscure, the better and when he finds obscure records, he shatters them, I don't mean he spends his time searching for rare notes albums to smash into bits I mean he finds odd world records and smashes them in the past five years Mr. Russia's broken more than one hundred and fifty Guinness World Records with the goal of promoting stem education as in science technology engineering and mathematics Mr Rush has balanced running lawnmower on his chin longer than anyone else. He's Frisbee Tortilla farther than anyone else. He's the world's fastest juggler as well as the world's slowest juggler. Since June alone, he's set new records by slicing sixty five kiwi fruits and one minute with a sword keeping three balloons in the air for an hour and thirteen minutes and drinking a leader of lime juice through a straw in seventeen point two, nine seconds. This worth. Oh, he did that with lemon juice to so couple of bad acid trips there but he survived and last week he did it again eating dozens of blueberries in one minute singlehandedly, which seems like no big deal except that I mean that literally here's a snippet from his video of that achievement. Tricky. Pick up each blueberry and eat them individually. Previous record was ninety six. Start with. One. Three two, one go. And here is the triumphant finish. blueberries eating one minute money talk. Come on. What hundred seven blueberries eating one by one in sixty seconds another entry in Guinness for David Rush. A guy who claims broken record. So often he is like a broken record. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC, Radio One and on Sirius Xm following world six you can also listen to the whole show on the web just go to CBC DOT CA Slash Aih and follow the links to our online archive. Thank you for listening I'm Helen Man I'm Chris. 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"This is a CBC podcast at Franklin Templeton. We help you invest in companies that treat every milestone like a steppingstone reach for better Franklin Templeton investments. Hello. I'm Carol off. Good evening. I'm Jeff Douglas. And this is as it happens. The podcast addition. Tonight light unseen ravaged by starvation. Her image became a symbol of Yemen's cruel war now that she's died. Young girls. Mother must find the energy to mourn powers played Canada's highest court rejects Newfoundland and Labrador's bid for a bigger slice of the money. Quebec has been raking in from the hydro project at Churchill falls flagging memories. A Winnipeg artist raises nine hundred banners in front of city homes each with the story of a young man who lived there and went off to die in the first World War put on something. A little more fetching a UK radio host prepares a program of musical classics index. -clusive -ly at the listening pleasure of dogs room and board in life. Bob Ross was American public television's art instructor extraordinaire now a class with a cardboard cutout of the painter has a Michigan library. Hugging to accommodate all the painters. He's inspired and adder minded it began to lurk. But then a writer in the UK built an entire literary arc aimed at saving nature words that the digital age had ferreted from the dictionary for kids as it happens. The Friday edition radio that new their auditor be away. You may have seen the photo recently. If you did you will not forget it. It was published by the New York Times last week. The photograph shows an amazing girl lying on her back in hospital bed and Yemen. She has her eyes open and her head turned to the side. Now, the paper reported that that little girl. Seven year old al-ghussein has died. Declan Walsh is the Cairo bureau chief for the New York Times. He was in Yemen last month reporting on the story, we reached him in Cairo. Declan? What have you heard from the little girl's family as to how they are doing. When we spoke to almost mother, she was very upset. Obviously, she said that was a child who she described chart who laugh to law who had always been, you know, the center of her life. She said, but she said that right now, she was focused on the rest of children almost mother. Mariam alley has six other children. They live in very difficult circumstances in this refugee camp in northwestern Yemen. And she said right now, she's just weighed that another of children could also become nourished or full prey to the same sort of vicious company tion of hunger and disease that is believed to have been responsible for the death of almo and she when you were covering the story when you first met the family they were trying to keep her life. She'd been in the hospital at what what finally ended almost life. Well, we weren't there to to see it. So we don't know for sure, but what is certain is that had been in an out of hospital several times over the last couple of months, and the doctors told us that she had she had come in with symptoms of Manu Trish in a month before that she stayed for a couple of weeks. She got somewhat better, she was discharged and went home. But then weeks after that she felt ill again and had to be readmitted. Doctors say that's very common pattern among manners children in Yemen. And chances are that the mother Mariam can keep her other children alive. Well, it's going to be a huge challenge. She told us a little bit about her family when we met her initially in the hospital. She said that you know, she is one of two wives to the same to the same, man. She said that her her husband lives much of the time with with the another family. So that you know has limited. Sources to deal with these kind of strains with so many so many young children to look after fields. Also mentioned the fact that their family come from an area that has been targeted by much of the Saudi led coalitions air bombardment of Yemen over the last couple of years, so they've been objected from their home. They're now living in this refugee camp. And she said that they she no longer has the kind of support from familial networks that she would normally rely on this kind of situation to help her get through it. So she was very worried about what's coming next. I I'm sure I was among so many others who when they saw this photo and the story on the front page, the New York Sunday times, and you at times was had such an impact is it a powerful image powerful story of one seven year old girl. What kind of response have you had publicly from the story. We've had over welling were. Sponsor, it seems that so many readers really identified with that main image of almo Hussein we were myself, both myself and tighter Hickson, and some of the editors at the times were inundated with emails from readers who wrote in people who want to to help people who said they wanted to send money specifically to Otto as people often to in these situations or people who just simply wanted to know how she was has. She was going on by the same token. We've had absolutely very emotive pouring from lot of readers since we posted our story last night about almost death. And of course, the harsh truth is that almost cases just one among many in in in Yemen in many in many ways, it's entirely unexceptional. But such as the scale of the suffering in Yemen that I think for many readers, it's easier to understand if it's focused just on one case, it is strange, isn't it that sometimes there will in history. There are photo photos into. Vigils stories that change everything suddenly wake people up to some reality. And I wonder if this is one of those times because we know there are nearly two million children in Yemen in exactly the same situation as ammo, and this is they call it the secret war, the forgotten war of Yemen. And yet, it seems suddenly that people are aware. This has is going on is that your you're feeling up certainly the suffering in Yemen is actually nothing new. What's changed? I think a couple of things have changed recently one. Is that things have simply gotten a lot worse. The economic deterioration of Yemen. That's been in trained for several years has accelerated at an alarming pace in the last couple of of months and aid workers say that that as much as anything else is part of the problem. It's not that there is necessarily an immediate difficulty in getting food or even really fade into affected areas in Yemen. The main difficulty right now is in ensuring that other Yemenis are able to buy food to feed their families because prices have been rising so quickly. So those are the kind of challenges that that that people are facing right now. And you know, that there is now some kind of effort to try and get a ceasefire in the next thirty days that possible. Well, it's been a change in certainly in the public stance of some of the western countries, like the United States and Britain that have been that have been backing the Saudi led coalition that they have suddenly now come out, and they have spoken very strongly urging both sides to release to come to the to the peace talks. And of course, we had Jim Mattis US Defense Secretary couple of days ago saying that he wanted a ceasefire within the next ten days. So that's the change the other thing that's changed. I think is that the focus on the actions of Saturday Arabia abroad that came as a result of the. The outrage if you like over the death of the Saudi dissident Jamal kashogi in Istanbul that has really given a focus. I think to the war in Yemen. Suddenly this war that had gotten relatively little attention over the last year, certainly certainly in proportion to the scale of the suffering that was going on. And I think now suddenly people in many countries are starting to ask questions about Saudi policy not just towards dissidents. But also the way that it's conducting this war in Yemen Jacqueline. Thank you for the story of Amel Hussein is tragic as it is. And thank you for speaking. With us was much lecture. Declan Walsh is the Cairo bureau chief for the New York Times. We reached him in Cairo. Oh. Ooh. It started out a happy marriage back in nineteen sixty-nine Eacho Quebec something to sweetheart deal to buy power from Newfoundland and Labrador's Churchill falls project, but for years one province has been seeking a divorce Newfoundland and labrador wants out of a contract, and it seemed Quebec profit very nicely. Well, Newfoundland and labrador brings in a much smaller take this morning. However, the supreme court of Canada ruled that the deal must stand. Russell Wang gerski is calmness with the telegram newspaper and the salt wire network. We reached him in Saint John's. Vessel. You have called. This case hail. Mary pass. Was there any chance cream court was going to let Newfoundland and labrador out of its deal with Quebec, I don't think the really was not on this particular model. I mean, what they were really looking for the Newfoundland side. Anyway, was looking for was for a case to be decided on good faith that the deal that we signed so many years ago actually turned out to be something different. So it should just be renegotiated on a good faith basis. And and that's a pretty long ball. This gives a sense of just how uneven this deal is what are the numbers? The the harsh numbers of profit the profit for Quebec hydro so far is about twenty eight billion dollars and the profit on the Newfoundland side is about two billion dollars. And why is it so out of whack because back from the deal was struck the Newfoundland side who wanted to give us money to build the actual Churchill falls power complex. Settled on an idea that they wanted a fixed rate for electric city couple of reasons for that one was that they needed to pay off the bonds used to build the the whole project, but the other one was that there was actually a live concern at the time that nuclear power might take off and the price of lex ity might plunge. So what they actually wanted to do was to make sure that they were protected and be able to pay back the money that they bore road to to build a facility in the first place. Unfortunately, the opposite happened, and there was no mechanism built in that said if prices elected trinity go way way up we'll you know, that that will be shared equally or partially or in fact at all and it hasn't been feeling labradors still getting the money in dollar ended the nineteen sixty nine set price. Right. It hasn't had a doesn't taken into consideration the skyrocketing energy costs prices. It's actually worse than. The deal had an automatic renewal clause built into it. And that new renewal came into effect like year and a half ago or so and the new rate was even lower than the original rate. So we're actually getting less now than the original deal in the sixties. So why did is it court say this deal should stand? Probably the easiest way to explain it is the spring court said it's one thing if a contract is if something happens after a contract is drawn up in someone's suffers as a result. The problem is that what the supreme court ruled was the Newfoundland site hasn't actually suffered. It's done everything that the contract originally anticipated. All were not sharing in is windfall profits after the fact if you can't show that you've actually been damaged by what happened after the contract signed, you can't avail of something to protect you from being harmed because you weren't you weren't hard. One Justice who disagreed with the decision, Malcolm. Rowe who while I guess just happens to be from Newfoundland and labrador. He spoke of he said that it was there was an implied obligation, and they're subject to a heightened duty of good, faith and cooperation, I guess like just being good neighbours. There's something that could back should have done out of the goodness of his heart. Is that what do you think you say? Two degree. But I think what he was trying to make the point. He was trying to make him that is that the contract between between hydro Quebec. And and the Newfoundland parties was in a sense a reciprocal contract that they were both trying to meet the same ends. So these specific numbers in the contract shouldn't have to be here to what should be the general aims the rest of the supreme court, basically said if you have a contract that spells out terms specific measurable terms. He can't be a reciprocal contract. So I think that's where the to kind of break apart. It's kind of hard to imagine that something that says we will pay this amount for per kilowatt hour every year for this number of years full and buy a new contract for this number of years could be seen as a sort of a joint venture. This is what the courts decide this is what the contract looks like according to the courts as any. Anything politically involved here. I mean is there anything that the federal government should've could've would've done that would have mitigated this long ago? Yes. Debility to move electric city between provinces the way pipeline oil can move, you know, without having individual provinces, basically lock up their distribution systems. That would have been a big difference. And in this province. What tends to happen when when you look at that people say when that's where it falls down that our province like Newfoundland has only seven seats in the house of Commons, and I guess it adds to that sense. Newfoundland labrador always have they they didn't get much from joining confederation that they get the dirty end of the stick in national politics. And this is never temple that is alive. And well, I mean this labrador got enough lot through joining Canada's. Well, but I think in this case the politics are less directed against the federal government or they they are. Are two degree but more against Quebec. Frankly, Newfoundland politicians have spent a considerable amount of time drumming up dislike if not occasional hatred for Quebec on exactly these grounds. What happens now how much longer does this deal stand than twenty forty one? We hear about it a lot in the media here about it. Actually it right now, it's subject of provincial inquiry into a different hydro-electric project at muskrat falls. Where people are now saying why didn't we just wait till twenty forty one when we're going to be rolling in electric city. Anyway. So yes, there's a there is a feeling of it's a long contract, but we are counting down towards the end. Wrestle have a good weekend. Thanks. You too gerski is a columnist with telegram newspaper and the salt wire network. We reached him in sync Johns. Now that. Let's decide maybe there's a happy tree. Evergreen tree lives. Right there start with just touching the canvas. Just the corner. The brush just the corner and begin pushing making the bristles been slightly downward. See there. Who didn't love the joy of painting for over a decade Bob Ross blissfully showed PBS viewers how to paint beautiful landscapes filled with happy little trees. Mr. Ron's died in nineteen ninety five the program died with him. But the internet has brought Bob Ross show. The joy of painting to a new generation and now, libraries and community centers are tapping into its renewed popularity by offering Bob Ross painting classes in Ann Arbor, Michigan. They are so popular that the library has had to move the events to a bigger space. Josie Parker is director of the Ann Arbor district library. That's where we reached her Josie. I understand you actually bring a cardboard cutout a life size of Bob Ross himself to the classes that right? Yes. Bob Ross is standing at the doorway welcoming people in they come and we even last night. She. Vent had a staff person wearing a Bob Ross wig. And he had a big smile and all of the people coming in the library. Even those who were coming for Bob Ross wanted to know what is going on. So yes, we have a Bob Ross cut out. So how do you bring the Bob Ross that that that PBS Barbara's that that that painting show? How do you bring it to life for these students in the classroom? Well, it's well, I guess the first thing is it's not even it's not a classroom. So it's much more comfortable than that. It's why it's large meeting rooms huge meeting rooms, or even in our case, we cleared out the two story lobby of our downtown libraries because there's been such a demand for this program. We needed bigger space for it. So it's wide open spaces people can see all around they see each other. They can see stacks. They can see patrons using the library and other ways. So it's not private in not. It's not set up like a classroom. So much more casual comfortable setting in Bob Ross is on a huge screen that we drop down from the ceiling. So people can see him from all over the room and hear him and our staff or wondering around helping people make sure they have enough paint and answering questions quietly if there's something they need help with so it's assisted, but not taught that makes sense. How many people are turning out to do these these classes of Bob Ross and the joy of painting. Arbor. The first time we presented it. We expected sixteen we had ninety and the second time we plan for one hundred and we had well over one hundred and thirty or forty and then we did it again this past September did in two sessions. So that we could accommodate the the demand, and we had two hundred and fifty people come last night we had a hundred and fifty people come and we had to turn people away. Because that's that's the space. We had available last evening. What's the appeal? Well, apart from I think the the apart from painting apart from the interest in painting and having something you actually take home with you that you've completed in an hour and a half something you can hang on the wall or give to someone. I think the appeal is how it's done. He's very quiet spoken. He's very encouraging. He's non judgmental. He's he's very he's happy. He he intends you to find a happy moment in the hour and a half you spend painting along with him. I think we I think people miss that. I think we need it. I think we we need a Mr. Rogers we need a Bob Ross and our lives, and if that's how we can go get it. And that's how they go get it. And we're pleased that the public libraries able to bring that to people, but you have certified Ross instructors as you call. Them. So that why not just have that? Why not just have a class with somebody helping them learn to painter enjoy the painting white, why do you need to have Bob Ross on screen? Well, we don't we don't use Bob Ross certified instructors, we are doing it differently. We we have purchased the rights to have the program live on the screen and people are in our space painting the way, they the same way they would be if they were at home our staff or just there to assist to make sure they have enough paint brushes or working properly that sort of thing, we're not teaching it. Bob Ross is teaching okay? That's why people like it. There are libraries who is the only one doing this. Now, this is sped. But others have taken on these certifications Ross instructors. What do you make of that? I think it depends on the library in the community, and how what sort of staffing they have. And if they have the staff in the who can assist with this. And and make sure that works for people. Then then that's one thing if they're they don't then they then they need to pay to have a certified instructor come in. Then that's what they're doing. I library the library are going. They're going to choose what's right for their community. And they should this is just how we're doing. And why why do you need Bob Ross at all why didn't need the show up there on this? Why can't you people to show up and give them some pains and gives them some canvases, and let them work on that bring somebody into help them to learn what what is it about the Bob Ross appeal that chain. Is this? I don't think that most people are coming to this to paint a painting and are to learn to paint. I think that they're coming because they're there for the community of it. Many people are coming with someone they're couples or couples are coming. Neighbors are coming college. Roommates are coming that people are coming who are twelve and thirteen and people are coming who are in their eighties. I don't I don't think it's about learning to paint. I think it's about being together. And I really do think it's about how Ross speaks to people how he makes people feel good about themselves and others. And then leaves you with something good to remind you of what experience you had with him wherever you are. It's just wonderful Josi. Thank you. Thank you. It's a pleasure talking with you. Josie Parker is director of the Ann Arbor district library reached her in Ann Arbor, Michigan. And if you'd like to see some photographs of Bob Ross in the painters, he has inspired go to our website, CBC dot CA slash h. It is a dangerous time for dogs in the UK. The normally canine costing kingdom is about the subject. It's poor pooches to Guy Fawkes night on Monday. And then two days later. It's still volley the Hindu celebration of light. That means days of terrifying explosions. Not terrifying for us. I'm talking about are wet nosed four pod incredibly sensitive eared, friends, those blasts that make us. Ooh. And all make our pooches all and as I try to bury themselves under the nearest couch. Which is why Bill Turnbull is putting together a radio show just four dogs. Mr. turn bowl is a presenter with British station. Classic FM night's show. He is going to unleash a two hour compilation of retriever relieving tracks. Mr. Turnbull explains. Quote, the musically play on classic FM is always relaxing. But what we've got lined up is even more chilled than usual unquote in the interests of serving our. For legged listeners we've been doing a little digging. We found a Scottish study from twenty seventeen that measured. What different types of music did dogs. Here's what the researchers found that. While classical might be soothing it was on Paul with Motown pump. But what really did a dog good with soft rock and reggae. Robert McFarland is giving loss words. A new life words about nature such as corn blue bell Kingfisher and Ren were taken out of the Oxford junior. Dictionary years ago the words were replaced by others broadband celebrity voicemail. Mr. MacFarlane was concerned about that shift away from words related to the natural world, and he along with his colleague Jackie Morris created what they call a spell book to conjure. The lost words. The book was published last month in North America. Mr. McFarland is a writer and he teaches literature at the university of Cambridge in England. And that is where we reached him. When you're Canadian publisher told me about this book. I was picturing some kind of well an informed reference book, I was not prepared for the volume that arrived is large beautiful illustrations and poems in this work. How did you decide to do it this way? Thank you. Well, we knew we wanted to make a spell, but we wanted to make something which was which carried with it the possibility of magic. And we knew that for that to happen. It needed to be an object that people love that they opened like a treasure chest or walked into like a landscape, and we will look enough to have publishes who believe that to be the case. And so it's proved and working with this extraordinarily Jackie Morris who works with gold leaf which is a magical substance on the page. We we made this book that is as big as some of its redes-. I guess you could say I think about thirty or forty centimeters toll. Yeah. Yeah. At least. Yeah. Yeah. Now, but just so this open is treasure test. And we start flipping through the each of the words that you have celebrated here there's about three pages dedicated each one just describe what happens in those pages. So the book is simply but could be ready. It's just twenty woods twenty low switch. It begins with Cohen. It ends with red. And it makes it crooked as Ed will may states is that three harridan Kingfisher and blue their nose to the way to the end, and for each of those woods, which were lost from this dictionary from that from children's language and stories in this country and around was we we wanted to make a set of summoning back imagine procession. So you been the page full that say Kuhn the double spread and and nothing is that right pony show. And all the day leads to go on the tree is going to go. And this just. Page of absence, but scattered across it. That's is some of that's just which get picked up by the rita's the children spell it Aiqun and Wednesdays that has been fine. So it's fine and pick ties and spelled in magical and also that very straightforward send you turn the page and that is a coup in back on gold leaf wonderfully kunai cone painted by Jackie. And there's a full spell written by me, which spells that these the way they couldn't. And that's that's be read allied by the children by the parents by anyone and we've been surprised by the people who have read from this book. And then once you've cost you spat as it was in the acorn sped in this case, it's in the page. Finally, and there's a glorious double page from Jackie of what other paintings of the Coon some in back in that is a tree Tony out and oak tree, the entire ecosystem the landscape, but in a tree makes creates in the community it closes in place and free to these words some. Acorn outer blue bell Bramble for Heather Kingfisher, author raven willow Wren, each of these words has this spell in these each each has its own three pages. What we say that that you talk about the old strong. Magic of the words being spoken aloud why what what's why is the part of the magic that these words should be said aloud that's a great question is wonderful. Hey, you say them, I suppose I've heard them said in a in in a Canadian accent? It's you say them very wonderfully and hit them differently again in. Ciccio question that that let me say things, I mean that that is literature begins its way its way, it's technology. Speaking of names, really is almost as a species and to put them back into my this to put them back in the minds. I I and into story again in the old sense. We spell things alive. Magic works was speaking allied. And so we wanted to catch a little at that. And also you remember things differently when you speak them. So whenever I finished a spell. I would always send it to Jackie by Email Rosen carry a Fokin know, something and. I would say, you know, to be read at the first he was always the fist to read them. And I always read them. And and so it's happening children. We get sent videos photographs films every day of children, speaking the woods. Dispose allowed performing them unto people older people reading them with children people with dementia and other conditions losing woods in other ways. They trying to speak the alive as having them speaking to them. So I think there's something very strong in in poetry end in memory about about speaking. Why with these words that you celebrate here. Why would they take an out of the Oxford junior? Dictionary. They were take an because they won't being used enough. That's the simple. It's not the dictionaries, folks. This is extreme that's very widely used in Britain for children age roughly six to eight it's a small victory. They have to take. Choices about what language is relevant that age group. But the woods that went in with very telling to this edition of the dictionary hidden when broadband Bo gras attachment voicemail, and well, you get the picture. I mean, this was a a moment in lexical graphic analysis is it spoke of a much bigger moment in coach childhood is becoming visualized. It's becoming interior is going into those and nature's is slipping from childhood as it is the thing for Modi life and landscape. So the book was kind of. The book was kind of protest note against the dictionary that against the law, but why do doing why do they need to name nature? Why is it not just enough to be in it? And of course, we know children can't even be in. It's not even possible for them. But is it not enough just to walk into a landscape? Why do you need to name landscapes? Why did you name things in it? It's a great question. And and I mean putt putt of what you say is absolutely right. There's a there's a huge inequality of access to unite chat. And I guess we make many people say, oh, my children note of these would they they know them, and I say, well, that's that's fine. That's great. But there are millions of children, so many complicated reasons. They should reasons I've seen in classes, you know, not child insist today Cohen is a child that is what I read is. Why does it matter that we that we name? That's another great question because children really into nature. Right. They they they run into it. They they cover over it. If you give them a chance that shows that nature that incredible one denotes, they tasted in each it and touch it. But they also love naming children miraculous name and to name something, I think is to know too little too to see the most daily, and and maybe to Catholic a bit more. If you see only trees is greed, if you name acorn auto Kingfisher, oh, some of these most basic of creatures we show lives with then think you for them, really. Trying to decide which of your spells as you call them, they poems, but us, call them spells. And we'd like you to read and his hard when you have blue bell and Brown Lil in fern, and Kingfisher and raven and milin ran their old. It just roll off the tongue. I believe we have settled on offer. Great. Okay. Well, I have I have the book open at two hoping that you would you say to so. Yeah, I call them espouse, partly because I wasn't real poets to think I think I'm real poet say. 'cause I'm not. But, but yes, this is this is the office spell written to be read aloud and hood, and you may be able to hit each new stanza Stutz with one of the left is author it spells it in that sense. So hit goes. And two river with that photo. What supple slide active hosts and into water this shape? Shift is a share breath taker a show hut stuff that you'll only have a spot to shadow flutter bubbles skiing and never omos. Actual offset. They switched swim as a silver mine with tribe. It's or at boys each Blackpool deep and deep adele's up current steep, steep itunes. The woods are inside. I then inside. I. Epa dreamed of being offset that underwater Sunda both that shimmering twist run to the riverbank Costa dream, your skin and change your Mets pull your being into oughta and end to now is also without Fulton into water. I think that's poetry. Just excuse me. What I am tied seventeen nuts. I I. Isn't a place where their number of offers very vodka tive of those creatures. But so all of these spells about the the different animals, and plants that you have named and I guess what comes to mind is that if the words are being lost its they're being lost to right? I mean, the species loss and the past just in few in past decades species lost Z Norma. So do you think that that that that that that's a corresponding development? Yeah. It is. I mean, I think passively we are living through a any book of laws with surrounded by it overwhelms us, we find it very hard to focus on it to see it. Losses is kind of absence up scence is largely invisible. It doesn't present itself to sweep Eddie notice it, and and yet they lost his happening. Of course, we know about the the high profile is the rainforest disappearance that the charismatic megaphone of the potable footing. But it's happening. You know daily landscapes as well. And this the many of the creatures in the named in these twenty names, particularly skylark, probably when they go. Coach famous words stylings, I know you have a lot of starlings in North America at the that plummeting in population in Britain that going king fishes going that book relations of slipping away. So, of course, is the creatures themselves. Go the plunge themselves go, so the names guy with them, and what's been amazing in in among the many responses to this book has been to see the language comeback into children's schools and also to see that the cat comeback so size since eisenson schools in Britain and increasingly across America in Europe using the book as a way to focus change and drive change and bring hope children that teaches busy rebuilding habits. Pets within school grind that that taking classroom days in some cases, they're even building classrooms within the school grind to to t t to work on the book, and the idea is above all the ideas, and the creatures at brings, and I think the power of the response that we've seen speaks of this this moment of of loss that also of of hoped that we're living through right now. And I point out you are not overstating the case of what an effect this volume this beautiful book has had. And I think the the guardian says it best in called it a cultural phenomenon. Well, thank you. It's it's a very hard thing to talk about. Because when signs one thing doing it, actually, I feel it's completely feel my control. We planted this lake on well, quite big golden they could back in a year ago in Britain. And and this Wildwood has as wished up into being from it that that is really know to do with us. So the book notes do these much bigger questions around our relationship with nature the natural world right now. But yeah, the the the unfurling of this book is beating like nothing I've ever seen before never will again. And and especially thrilling very humbling. So it it seems to me to say something about the way that coach can change if not politics at least societies and communities and the community spirit that has driven. I mean, people see kayak to remote islands to give copies of this book to to schools, they deliver them they hand deliver them by the size and school sometimes accompanied by Baen house and twenty hours while life trust. Behind it. It's it's become a strange symbol of of hope for change in a duck. Hi. Robert, thank you for this old strong magic that you have back to these words, and it's really really wonderful to speak with you. Thank you, and you think's too much by Robert McFarland is one of the co creators of the book the loss towards we reached him in Cambridge England. And if you'd like to see some of the rations from this book, visit our website, CBC dot CA slash h. And. On streets across the city of Winnipeg right now in neighborhoods, like fort Rouge, Wolseley or the north end. You will see white banners fluttering in the breeze. There are about nine hundred of them. And each one tells a story let he Lawrence is a Winnipeg artist she led a team Avante. Here's to create the banners. We reached her in Winnipeg that he what exactly are these banners? These banners are commemorate the individuals from Winnipeg who went to fight in the first World War and died in the first World War. Or is a result of the war say they were wounded or gassed, and they died really after November nineteen eighteen but it directly a result of the war, and can you describe them? Yeah. They're made from a hundred percent natural colored cotton flannel there about two feet across by well, maybe only eighteen inches across by about two and a half feet long. And they're handwritten with fabric markers on each one. I indicate the name of the individual either where they lived or where their family lived in Winnipeg. If I was able to find out their profession, I indicate they they went to fight in the great war and did not return, and then I indicate their birth and death dates and their age, and where do you do? Install them. They're installed on hydro poles as close as possible to the Andress that's on the banner. Uh-huh. So these are the places where the the men came from their homes. Yeah. That was part of the purpose of the project was to take this out into the communities. The neighborhoods of Winnipeg to get people to realize that this is where these these men came from and that they were much like your neighbors or your friends are today. How have people responded to having these banners in their neighborhoods? Oh, I've had a tremendous response. People have been very touched by one couple. They asked if they could keep the banner they're going to frame it. They want to keep it with house. So that it becomes a part of the history of the house. Another couple have decided to have a remembrance days here. Mony on their front lawn to commemorate the individual who lives there as well. I've had a high school teacher and asked me if after the end of the year, he could take down some of the banners and use them in teaching in future classes, and how did you do the research? How did you learn much about each of these men? Well, we're very fortunate here in Canada, the national archives have put as much information as they've been able to get online and also veterans of fairs Canada that has information online as well. But this is a real labor of love. What what inspired it why did you want to do this? Well, I've been interested in the first World War for quite a long time. When I was in Australia in two thousand thirteen there was a woman asking people to knit poppies to commemorate the grizzly landings in nineteen fifteen that was kind of trillions defining moment in the war. And when I came home to Winnipeg I was wondering what was win pay doing to commemorate. And I wanted to commemorate the end of the war as well. And I decided I don't I do something about it. And again, I wanted to take it out into the communities as well. And I know I know there's two parts of this project, and you have these you had these volunteers who helped you make nine hundred poppies to honor these Winnipeg soldiers, what does that part of the project poppies originally because I started making the poppy. Last year. And then some France of mine said, well, we could make poppies to. So it ended up we had poppy gatherings and made poppies and originally they were going to be attached to the banners themselves. But then I had a couple of friends point out that they might be removed from the banners. They might get destroyed. So I was able to reserve the blank teen gallery at the millennium library here in downtown Winnipeg. So that the poppies could be displayed their because they're all different. And next each poppy, there's a hand torn card with the name of the individual the address in the age and the title of this show is loved and we're loved yes, that's taken from John mccrae's poem in Flanders fields. I wanted people to think of these individuals as young men who loved parents of wife girlfriend children and intern. Turn they were loved by family, friends and neighbors some of the stories that really stood out for us. You learn them. Oh, well, I was just looking at one the Mon Livingston Patterson. He was a law student. He went to the university of Manitoba he enlisted in nineteen sixteen. He got pneumonia when he was here, but he returned to the front. He was the only son of judge George Patterson, MRs Patterson, and he was article at the time that he enlisted and he was killed in action over there. A couple of others. I looked at John Edward Severin and Vernon nickel seven. They were brothers and the first one enlisted in nineteen fifteen he was working in banking at the time, and he was killed in action in nineteen seventeen and his younger, brother. 'cause when he died he was twenty seven his young. Younger brother than enlisted in nineteen sixteen and he died of wounds, and he was only nineteen when he died. And so a mother lost two sons. Yes. And these will boundaries will stay up until the end of the years that right? Yes. That's right. We'll happen to them afterwards. After that they'll be taken down and the whole project is going to be donated to the army navy airforce Rockwood unit three oh three here in Winnipeg. And that was where the poppy makers gathered when we were making our poppies, and they expressed an interest in the project and asked what I was going to do with it. And if I would donate it to them. So that's what I'm going to do with it afterwards. Thank you for this project. It's it's quite extraordinary and really appreciated and thanks speaking with us. Thank you so much. Lettie Lawrence is an artist in Winnipeg. She let it him volunteers to create nearly nine hundred poppies and banners and owner of Winnipeg's soldiers young men who died in the first World War. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC radio one and Sirius XM you can listen to the whole show on the web. This Goto CBC dot CA slash AH and follow the links to our online archive. Thanks for listening. 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Does Historical Accuracy Matter in Gaming? - I Never Cast For This EP. 20

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Does Historical Accuracy Matter in Gaming? - I Never Cast For This EP. 20

"Broadcasting from Newfoundland Canada, you're listening to the I never cast for this podcast. And get ready for controversial opinions and debates and most importantly let's talk gaming your ears are in the right place this. I never cast from this. Hello Gamers and welcome to episode 20 of the I never cast for this podcast. I am your host culture. And today we will be debating over historical accuracy and authenticity in video games should developers aim to be 100% accurate when it comes to depicting history in gaming how much change is too much for developers when it comes to portraying historical events and can games actually be historically accurate and fun. So these are a few of the things that we're going to talk about today on the podcast. And before we do I just like to do a few intros here to introduce you we have here and we actually have some fantastic guests joining us on the show for the very first time who are perhaps the best possible people to ask this question, too and we get to them in a moment. But before we get to them again, my my name is Cal Fair and to my right on the panel we have returning once again is Erebus. What's up, man? What's up, man? Looking forward to getting into this topic with these two fine. Gentlemen. Yes. Yes, that's Right. We have two fine gentlemen here joining us for the very first time we have two very special guests. We have actually the co-founders of Stormy Shore Studios. We have Evan and Georgia. Welcome to the podcast guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. No, it's awesome having you guys here. We're super excited we've Avenue and I've been talking for a while, but getting getting you in Georgia here to have a good discussion about not just your gaming company, but just actually having a debate as as well. So as I mentioned Evan and Jordan are both part of Stormy Shore Studios and yeah, do you guys just want to give us a brief overview of what exactly you guys are all about? Yeah, sure. So basically we create historical and cultural Focus video games with educational components for the mass Market. We want to make sure we balance history and culture and education and a package that's fun for the end user and enjoyable to play and we want to spread that kind of knowledge around the world, hopefully and right now we as we're based in Newfoundland, we're focused on Newfoundland stories Newfoundland games and our first two games are regiment and relocation regiment being about the first world war and the world Newfoundland regiment experiences inside and outside that war and education is about is a psychological horror game with the Newfoundland resettlement program. Nice, that's not super cool. I can't wait to talk more about that. I can't wait to actually try these games too. I've seen Clips posted on Facebook and Instagram and stuff like that. So that's that's super cool. So so what are what are your roles? Like? I know you're both the co-founders but specifically what is what is it? You guys do in the company question. Is this a question or a really? Good question? Yeah, This is not a great start for us. Everything nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah anything everything nothing. I mean obviously with the co-founders we would basically manage business operations were coordinating a lot of different things and we split the duties between the both of us. Basically. It's a simplest way to put it but yeah, we aren't the Hancock developers, but we supervise the development process and guide it and try to make sure the ideas stay I guess on In line with what we we expect and so on and so forth. But yeah, so we managed a small team right now. I think it's about 10 people now is getting bigger. Yeah. Yeah, you guys are growing. Yeah, that's all right. Yeah. Yeah, I would say a lot of a lot of what we do is talking to each other about the direction what the team is doing and then you know, once we kind of come to an agreement, then one or the other of us will kind of talk to the team. So it's like I said, it's it's it's everything and it's nothing. It's really everything. That's nothing. Yeah, there's times that you guys just kick your feet up and relax and other times when you literally crack the whip I guess a yeah, well, honestly correct way for myself. I don't I don't know about I don't know about relax. But yeah, yeah. Yeah a lot of whip-cracking. Yeah. No. No, that's that's really cool. Yeah, and when we answer a lot of the when we talk about a lot of these questions, yeah, feel free to draw on a lot of the experience you have wage. Stormy Shore and I'm sure that will certainly help with guiding the answers to a lot of these questions. So yeah, I'm super excited to hear more about what you guys are all about. So just before we get into all that just as I said you are listening to the I never cast for this podcast and we finally hit twenty episodes. So I'm super excited about that. Hopefully you guys are too and in previous episodes. If if you're a first-time listener, we've talked about a lot of controversial topics in the past such as gaming disorder. And is that a real disorder or not? We talked about is VR really the future of gaming we've we talked about so many different things now, so you should definitely check out past episodes. They all have time stamps. You can go right to the topic of the week if you want to skip all the old news and stuff like that. So we're live every Monday usually at 8:30 p.m. Eastern time today. We're here at 9 p.m. Eastern time, but generally it'll be 8:30 p.m. Eastern time. And if you can't catch us live you can always catch us on YouTube and we're also on most major podcast. Networks as well and stick around to the end of the show cuz I always ask a trivia question to every to the panel and I want to see if I can stop them today as will. Let will have to see off. So we shall see before we get into the topic of the week. I like to normally just ask how everyone's doing and what you guys have been up to so Erebus. We'll start with you. Have you been since the last podcast pretty good money still still grind a little bit of World of Warcraft with a circus and a few others and having fun with that surprisingly. I really didn't think I'd enjoy it as much but the changes they've made to the game to make it a lot more casual for the leveling process and all that stuff has been fun. Other than that still need to get Pokemon going. I know you're playing that the through the or I think you said you beat the expansion or got through the story. So I still need to do that on the the crown Tundra expansion, but mostly been on my PC lately. So that's what I'm doing right now. They announced the expansion four wires coming November 23rd yet and the pre patch. I think it's dropping November 10th. So a bunch of us are just getting getting set up for that. So it's been fun. It's been fun more. Enjoy it a lot more than I thought it would yeah, that's good. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be looking to get into it should be soon. I'm just dreading doing that resub. Cuz once I do the resub, then I'm fully all downhill and it's all downhill from there yet know for sure Evan. I know it's your first time on the podcast. But God what have you been up to? You can tell us a little bit about yourself within stormy Shore or outside what could like gaming wise or not? So yeah. Yeah sure. I think I'll focus more on games instead of getting into wage. A bit of rambling about the company cuz that's always dangerous. I actually recently completed gone home for the first time there was sitting in my library for a while and I knew was a bit of a different game experience in the horror genre if you consider it that so I thought that was interesting maybe a bit of research for relocation. I also surprisingly I think about a couple of weeks ago. I finished the first month of us finally played it and I don't know what took me so long and absolutely loved it. So that's that's that and yeah, otherwise, I'm just trying to kind of pick it in my library as I go. I don't play any online games really I'm kind of just more of a single-player guy. So I thought you that's not true. That's not true. We've been playing phasma phobia that all that's true. Yes. Yes. I can't why did I forget if it's such a huge thing lately? Yeah and a huge part of our Lives. Yeah. We've been playing fast my phobia together along with another team member actually and the three of us have been I'd say wage. Or three nights a week. We've been getting in two thousand. I think ghosts you play a VR or regular bracket. I heard it. I heard it's hard to it looks really weird Karo mujhe Pyaar. So yeah terrifying and VI. I can only imagine it's scary enough flat screen. So I don't want to strap it to my eyeballs. Yeah. So we've been playing that too. So it's kind of the the odd one out for Evan. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah gone home that I love that game. I loved every second of it man. Did you like it home? It's my kind of game. That's not fair trade in here. But it's it was interesting. It gave me a lot of good ideas, but also gave me a lot of things ideas for things. I don't want to do sure not having you never played it in situ. Right like you never played it when it came out you'd like to your first time was playing it recently, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think maybe you would log Little bit differently if you played it when it came out time and place but yeah, I liked it. I just like games that are just you get thrown in and you the this whole thing has driven by what you do you decide where you want to go and what you want to look at and and that kind of stuff. I just love games like that. That's just me and Jordan. He said you've been playing phasmophobia took anything else even playing or even play. Well, you know, when you develop games, you don't really play them that often that's kind of how it is you end up being but we've been lucky enough that the three of us have gone sometimes, you know, we kind of in between missions we'll talk business and then we'll go on a mission and then it'll be serious ghost hunting but actually I I just started doing maternal last night. I got through the fact of the Doom Eternal I have to say, I think the original I say the original the first modern Doom the most recent modern Doom when he was better the last name. Is better. I kind of like yeah and the not-so-subtle dig out the the oil industry. I think narratively it was like much more impressive. I think it's like really off the rails now with like the whole Sentinels and all this weird Doom guys like a night kind of stuff but but it's fun. Anyway, you know, I guess you don't really play Doom for the story, right? No, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's most of what I'm saying and then I'll just I'll take heat off of Evan for not liking gone home and I'll say The Last of Us is actually a little bit overrated but this is going to be a fight right away. We both know because it's a bad topic and get into this debate. Exactly. Yeah. I actually don't own a PlayStation and I've never played last of us either. I've really want to I never played God of War. I never played em, the exclusives. I played uncharted on like PS3 back in the day, but that was so if anyone has a PS4 they want to play God of War, but you can you can skip you can skip the last of us off. Whatever whatever. I'm not knocking into whatever ice. All right. Okay, I think we're ready to get into the topic of the week off. So as stated at the top of the show, we are going to be discussing historical accuracy in video games. And ultimately we're going to try to decide on if historical accuracy actually matters in games or not. So there's multiple directions we can take this split. Let's just start with this. So do you think a game can be totally historically accurate and not at the same time? Is that possible for a game to be totally one-hundred-percent historically accurate? Well, maybe maybe even take the fun part out of it. Is it possible for a game to be totally historically accurate off? It's a bigger question. Can we ever know can we ever know history? What do we know what? Yeah, I guess you'd have to preface that by saying assuming that the the history is written correctly. I would say yes, like if you're following the history that at the way it's written I would say you can make it historically accurate based on what you know, but to know if something is truly historical accurate. And that's what you do now, too. I mean like if you have so you might have a document and all the stuff might be yeah that's accurate but then there might be gaps. It's like oh if you're designing a I don't know a landscape, it might not describe what the buildings look like and you should do some guesswork. Yeah, so on and so forth. So the further back you go and the different societies and cultures you look at different ways of recording history. And sometimes the history was recorded by The Victors the page to one and make another group look bad and that might be the only thing you have to go off of so that's a complicated question it is. Yeah and and you're right right like, okay. Well, let's let's even break it down further than that. So let's assume that it's history that Yeah, that's that's even harder. So like I guess it's it would have to be history that is generally accepted as being true. So for for example in your in your game, so you're trying to be I'm assuming relatively historically accurate in your games and my right with saying that No, okay say no. Okay. Yeah, I yeah, I'd agree with Jordan on that. I mean it's I think it's almost the terms. It's almost like the term accuracy. It's like there's such a high bar for that that I'm not willing to go. Yeah. Yeah historically accurate games. That's what we're doing. It's just dead. I don't know authenticity. Absolutely. But yeah, I think Yeah, we're trying to do we can but then you also have to look at I don't know not that too ghetto business see but like return-on-investment. I'm not talking like money. I'm talking like how much time do you put into developing a certain aspect and checking through this history and making sure everything is correct before you actually lose the return you're going to get on it like figuring out if a certain item had a certain type of handle, you know, so on and so forth. So you want to get bogged down in that type of home. So I don't know it's it's I would to make a bold claim. I Hello, did you all drop or just me what happened there? And I'll drop doing everybody drop. I think we're all good. Okay weird. That's the first time that's ever happened with its that's really strange. Did anyone a bold claim or should I repeat it? No, it was hilarious throughout the Bold claim. I'm going to use a bold claim. I'm gonna make a ball claim and it was so bold. They crash the stream. Yeah. I don't think they wanted to be said maybe that's a sign up. I don't think you can make an entirely historically accurate game.. I don't think you want to I don't think you want to add to that. I don't think anyone that. I mean there I'll rephrase that cuz there are people who want that but I think at the end of the day to make something compelling it does have to be fun. I like the best academics in the world can make the best academic book in the world, but if it's not well written no one's going to read it and it's the same with the game. If a GameStop fun. Nobody's going to play it and even log People who do they won't really remember and if they do maybe live remember to stop bad game. I think the I think the two different terminology and actually I heard this from a noclip documentary off the creative assembly the total war guys and the lead artist said, you know, he doesn't go for historical accuracy. He goes for historical authenticity and his boss basic definition of that was kind of what you expect to see a lot goes into that lock was into what you expect to see, you know, I'll just use a quick example, you know anything to do with Rome if it like let's say it's a TV show or something like that. If the actors aren't am speaking with British accents Suddenly It's very unbelievable. If Julius Caesar comes in with an American accent. Nobody's buying it, right everyone's taken out of that because we have this expectation like Romans have been very British in the way. We present them in media and his actual example in the creative assembly thing was Spartans home. We all kind of have an image of our head of what a Spartan is, right? Like they have the red cape like a loincloth that may or may not protect too much maybe like the chiseled breastplate, you know, the gold package with the red Bloom Helm and stuff like that. So there are certain things we expect and And you know, I would argue I'm always more on the argue. I was a moron the fun side, you know, like one of my rules is ux and that's my background. So I focus a lot on Thursday. I would argue that giving people what they expect is almost more important and then adding historical elements or interesting elements that then encourage a player to go and learn the real history. That's that's the most important thing. I think that's the most valuable thing games can bring to this discussion. I'm I'm a huge he's around again because I love Rome. I'm a huge fan of ancient Rome r i p miss it bring back the Empire, but you know, I I got there through Total War Total War Rome. I loved it, you know, like put hundreds and hundreds of hours into it as a kid and I I just learned about it from there, right and and the HBO TV show Rome as well. So I think that's really that's really what you want to do. You want to make it historically authentic you want to make it close, but you can never lose sight of like what what the purpose of your medium is. And in our case it's to entertain thoughts be fun. Yeah, those are all really solid points for sure and mentioning Spartans. I've been playing a little bit of Assassin's Creed Odyssey as well. I mean if you guys have played that or not, yep, but that was all about you know, Spartans and in Athens and all that all that kind of stuff and Greece but it's yeah like while I'm playing and I'm like, oh this actually makes me kind of want to do a bit more research about, you know, Spartans and stuff, even though I know in the game like the main character is able to wield like every single weapon in the game perfectly. I'm like, I'm sure like, I don't know if Spartans would actually be able to do that. Like I'm sure they would be able to master one or two weapons. Not literally like twelve of them with perfect like that like that kind of stuff right but like obviously it's not totally historically accurate, but it's like you said like the choice Oracle authenticity like the way they designed the world's and that game like are obviously condensed to what they actually are or else you wouldn't be able to do would take forever to get anywhere in the game. But I think that's the surfing Porting for sure having to talk more about the propaganda poster angle, but it's historically authentic but we are taking like really fun and cool Liberties and we're off and really cool directions with some of our ideas that no one would say is historically accurate as far as the battlefield goes, but in terms of people's perception of Life at the time and our percept plane with perception and stuff like that, I'd say that's a huge part of it. I'm glad you brought up that word propaganda. Like when do these creative Liberties become dangerous right or or when do bias if can biases come into play here, right? Like if like I read an example an article earlier today and was example of a movie with Mel Gibson. I can't remember what the movie was. But basically they were portraying British. So British soldiers in their extremely negative light. What was that? All right, Patriots or Patriot? Yep. And I never saw the movie myself. So you guys probably if you had seen it then feel free to explain it better than you should watch. It is very good as American as it is it's very good. Okay, and but apparently in the movie British soldiers are perceived not well at all like in a very negative light and they're shown doing things that are very bad. I don't know what they are. And basically they it's showing the Allied Forces in an extremely positive fighting in British not so much but and you could argue maybe it's historically authentic or not. But to me that could be potentially dangerous cuz you know in actual history. This is not how it was and the British are not actually portrayed in that in that Way in real life of that makes any sense. I don't know if you guys can probably explain this better than I can but so, I'm sorry just just jumping off the Jordans previous point and what you just said and tying a few things together look at the Vikings and how they're portrayed and if you break down the history like great see Fair wage. It's you know, they had a lot of Good Farming techniques and so on and so forth. I'm watering this down horribly. So just forgive me for that. But you look at this way Society is and people often the way popular culture has went toward violence due to TV shows games. So on and so forth is a very favorable view now. Generally, they try to find these positive things on Viking culture. Hm. Yeah, it's it's ridiculous now, like if you look at a sassenach Valhalla and that opening trailer where they're like rating this Village and a woman and her kid turned the corner and the Vikings like oh, no, they're they're just a woman and get don't kill them. It's like come on. Yeah, you know, I mean if you look at the actual history, I mean like the brutality was like in some ways and that saying the cultural sweep here, but what it was just kind of built in in some ways and you dealt with disputes and I read about one time when I was like in the history of this farmer was like yeah along the way you looked at me and you went up and just act up the guy and just to get that's it. That's how we settle it so you get that but then you get the pop-culture spin on it. So that in a way is a bias that in a way is a propaganda. That is the way is what is the audience off? See and you kind of created this culture around that so linking back to our game and specifically one of our games regiment is the propaganda around the first world war the not the boss is not necessarily but the actual propaganda so you look at the idea of the German as the hon they are the bad guy. They are evil. They are these demonic creatures and they're going to eat your wives and children and and that kind of thing freaked people out cuz they didn't have internet. They didn't know who the Germans were. They just heard these stories and they were like, woah. Woah, I've got a like help my my country my nation to to prevent This Disaster from happening and it's it's wild how that manipulation kind of seeped in. So basically the my whole point is that's happening in throughout history and it happens currently in pop culture where you guys historical, you know, yeah. So sorry I was going to say like, you know, Evan says like, you know, they didn't have the internet. They didn't have this they didn't have that like don't be fooled right we still do to this day and age. We do that right now with China. We did it with Russia before you know, and during the Cold War and stuff like that. We continually do it that way. That's what we do to our enemy right and cultures that we don't know a lot about we only learn about so much a school and usually we learn about another country or culture when it pops up in the media in a big way, you know for sure we haven't heard from you in awhile is Jenny that takes want to throw in here. No, no, I'm finding it all really interesting hearing these guys get into a little more the specifics. I'm not a history buff by any means so like I find it interesting hearing about your games and kind of the philosophies that you have and what you're you're working on because you know, I would not be like, I I really I'm not a history buff but I love history and games. So I love off when there's the that sprinkle. So like growing up Age of Empires two is one of my favorite favorite franchises growing up later Tessa's right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think 11:00 was dead. After all would please yeah exactly. So like obviously and I don't again, I don't even know how historically accurate that game will even was but as a kid, it was just fascinating to learn about all the different way, you know races and and all the different things within that game and the store history and going through the campaign and joy of our get all that stuff. It was just it was really really interesting to me and it kind of stuck with me and but I just feel that historically I I I agree. I don't think making a game entirely historically accurate. I think like how do you do that? And keep a good gameplay Loop. So I took I I don't know what the threshold or the balance is, but I think for me like looking at the games that you guys are developing and I haven't done much research on it, but I'm interested in how you guys you know, figure out that threshold and you mentioned that you your Battlefield or whatever is not historically accurate. But you've you know, you you're you're taking some Liberties to make it more entertaining for the gamer but keeping the history in there. So I'd be interested to hear a little bit more about that because or how you make those decisions or what you guys look for in games cuz for me like I I like two thousand four, I like history. I like I like just accuracy and games in general like this isn't a history example, but I I like the division and like the portrayal of New York City and that game and and going through exploring and kind of seeing all the different areas and stuff like that. So yeah, that's that's that's my take on the history thing. I think it I think it can be really valuable to games the propaganda piece. I'll touch on quick to that. I think it's important and how you Market the games that if you're claiming its Authority historically authentic or it's historically accurate that there is no risk of of propaganda because some a lot of history is debatable. A lot of history is you know, there's a lot of examples that are controversial in in in you know, just because it was taught in school doesn't make it historically accurate and things like that. So making the claim of something being historically accurate authentic I think is is interesting. How you Market that to people and how you you know, Target that group of gamers. Without pissing people off or ruffling feathers and stuff like that. So I find I find that I find all of it. It really interesting. It's not it's not a market. I even really knew existed till you I heard you guys are coming on and little bit more research on it long. Do you think those are all good points for sure. Do you think companies should post disclaimers at the start of a game saying if something is historically accurate to their to the best of their ability or off or do you think that's up to the to the consumer to figure out on their own? So are you talking about something similar to what Yuba soft does or like this game was made by a team multi-faith team from different backgrounds. So on and so forth, but something to do with historical accuracy or something like that yet. What do you think? Just I guess for purposes of not pushing like propaganda pieces and stuff. So you almost feel you must be like at the start of a movie when they say it's based on true story. But yeah, like things happen all the time. They say inspired by true events and it's like not at all. I think right right. I think I think the issue there is that those stories that's what you see in the media like that that kind of becomes the story right? Because people very often unless unless it really excites them and they really do the research home that becomes their story. However, you depict it in your medium. Becomes the story. So, you know, you take HBO's Rome. I told you I'll be going back to Rome. I read every time you take off his room at Kia of the giulia who's a major character. She's Augustus his mom or octavian's mom and she's a major character and they portray her as an awful awful job. Person like scheming and backstabbing and two-faced and greedy and just terrible absolutely terrible person the only historical record. We actually have of her life that she was a very lovely lady a good mom and very religious and very prim and proper and you know, Augustus wins and he writes the history from from then on right page and it's his mom. So chances are he you know, he even if his mom was bad, he loves her work. He wants his family to be remembered the entire group to be remembered as like true good moral Romans, so it could totally be propaganda and she totally could have been evil. But what do more people no more people know that at the end of the Julie I from HBO's Rome then they do from you know, the whatever the the Vellum that's two thousand years old that was found in the dirt of Rome. So whatever you do becomes a dog I think maybe it's maybe it would be a good thing but I don't think any medium does it, you know, like other than the large sweet the large narrative everything in between is going to be made up, you know, every almost every station that Julius Caesar has is going to be made up, you know, every conversation that William Wallace has is going to be made up. It's it's the overarching narrative and I think it's important to kind of have the overarching narrative be as accurate as possible, you know in HBO Rome's case. It's you know, Julius Caesar zingali the triumvirate he comes back he crosses the Rubicon. He stabbed, you know, brought us a to prove day all that stuff the stuff that we know it's all that's all right, you know, but the conversations in between can be made up and I don't I don't think it hurts anything necessarily wrong, but those characters become how we perceive them. So yeah, so here's my issue and I hear you mentioning like, you know, like Eddie has her portrayal. On and so forth and my issue is with disclaimers and so on and so forth is how recent do you have to get before it starts to get bothersome to people the way down for a real people how far back like, yeah, who's going to complain Julius Caesar? He was my great great great blah blah blah who cares so you might get historians complaining but generally you're not going to get that but the more you go into the modern times, I mean family members could still be alive and that's a struggle I have with the disclaimer is if you're doing a piece that's supposed to be based in a part of history and you should have people portrayed that have very close relatives alive or they might even be alive. What do you do then with the slammer? And then that's what I'm wondering. Like, how do you told that line? And it's it's it's an interesting question to cuz obviously yeah, there's like a there's a spectrum right when we talk about horrible stuff that happened two thousand years ago. It's like okay, they went into the city. They killed everyone men women and children there was raped there was murder. We don't really think about it. Right? It's like a statistical thing but World War Two know that's like very faithful. That's Terror like we really feel that so that's a that's a really good point and then further from that what about kind of alternate reality things like Wolfenstein is a good example Wolfenstein completely over-the-top ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. However, It actually is like narratively very serious totally, you know, and they do actually very brave things like putting you in a concentration camp wage. Um, they do uh, like the the initial montage is brilliant. I think we're you're in the mentally ill hospital or the mental illness hospital and you see them slow like you see them to slowly take all the patients out and kill them. So they do very brave serious things and it happens kind of in an alternate reality but it's still really matters to people in case in point the German version of Wolfenstein. They have to take out the swastika sand they have to they have to eliminate Hitler's mustache so long but everything else they can keep so it's a very interesting point, even you know, you take these historical elements and if they're a little bit too recent and you put them in like a Sci-Fi game or something like that wage. Wolfenstein it can still have a very serious effect. So yeah, that's a tough thing with with regiment is I mean world war one was I mean one hundred years ago over a over a hundred years ago to end it but still there's people that are still very connected to that and it's still in that realm of recent see where we've got to be careful with some of the depictions and some of the people put in there and you know linking back to the propaganda thing. There's certain ideas but certain generals and majors and various higher-ups that should have done this differently and that differently and their blame for sacrificing soldiers. Whereas other historians say off their fault. Is this person's who do you believe who do you follow and like how do you not offend people and bother people through doing that? And I think that's really really tough to navigate. Yeah, oh I can imagine that for sure. Like do you think it's an issue to include actual real individuals that really existed in video games or does that leads to much potential misinterpretation of who they were or what they did. Like cuz I guess biases can still come into play there can't they? Definitely? Yeah, I don't know if there's an easy answer that one. I mean we're so used to putting real people that lived in video games. Julius Caesar is a great example. How many games has Cesar been in you know, how many games has? I don't know. I can't I'm running out of examples, you know already I'm running out of Reagan my Call of Duty Call of Duty Black Ops called blah blah. Yeah or whatever right and B. Opcw. Yeah, Ronald Reagan is depicted in there today was onto yeah, and but then you know, you have a great question cuz You know, okay, so you choose someone who was actually at beaumont-hamel or whatever and you use their name and you use their likeness, you know, their relatives obviously have a vested interest in life and it's their relatives. So maybe they love that person, but maybe the person wasn't a good person or maybe they did something terrible or something, you know, like many people love Ronald Reagan wage. I think they're wrong so, you know and you can say the same about people like Margaret Thatcher and stuff like that. So many people love Jeff Bezos wage on musk. It's our perception of these people and and what we value and what we think, you know might be heinous and and how those thoughts away each other and I think it's what you find with all kind of Great people of history is that yeah, they do good things. They do bad things and some people focus more on the bad and other people focus more on the good Winston Churchill is another great example. I think he's a heinous human being but people love them and you know his head Grace's Winston Churchill park right there in st. John's. So right downtown Halifax here. We have a giant mud man statue of him so long. Yeah. It's a it's a really interesting just discussion. Yeah. I just a quick jump jump off there to connect back to a game that just kind of popped in my head. So Assassin's Creed Unity dead was a one-to-one re-creation of Paris at the time apparently and I mean, they did a lot of research into that and all the architecture and so on and so forth but to get the real individuals to fit in the story that's where they took the Liberties and the historical inaccuracies seeped in and awesome what they did with the the architecture and everything amazing, but you look at how they misrepresented many historical figures juice world. Throw them into an assassin or Templar storyline. Yeah, I mean it was hundreds of years ago. But how do you reconcile that? You know, you're knowingly doing it and it's not like oh there's gaps in the history. They must have been an evil Tumblr know it's like I'm going to make them evil for the purposes of this game, you know, and that's happened a bunch in games and not quite Ubisoft has some some great historical work. But yeah, it's really tough at the gate that so even when you have all that great history in there. And is that is that a problem do you think like do you think that's wrong of them to do? Deliberately, trying to trying to shoehorn a historical figure into a story to fit your needs when you know that off you just wouldn't have happened that way and there's enough history to back it up. I do think it's problematic if you've done your research and so on and so forth and you're trying to portray something like that, you know, the 121 re-creation of Paris and then you'll either direction you go all this historical figure. I don't know I'm running a name is like Robespierre. It's probably a good example, they misrepresented him and in the game and various other things so it's it is problematic because you're coming across this. It's a historical game, but then it's like well, where is the strength of the history? And where should it be on me? I'm a firm believer history is about the people history is about getting their authentic stories and trying to make that work cuz history is told through people. Nothing would would be told if we didn't know I mean like there's so many Mysteries now like you look at on a Stonehenge and you don't have a record. History of Stonehenge the people are still trying to figure out what does it all mean? So but it's the people that record the history. So I think that when you're deliberately misrepresenting a person that's when it gets problematic no matter how far back it goes off. I can put money. I I agree with that to an extent that form from a from a surface level piece. Like I again, I'm going back to more of my childhood that seems like when I play more of the historical games like Medal of Honor Allied assault Normandy, they they back in the day that was portrayed really well, very surface-level again don't know the full historical accuracy or how they portrayed it, but it was surface-level and it got me into researching more about that event. And that's what I that's what I like in the game in the games that I play from the historical point of view home. However, if they're going as far as you're saying Evan and representing characters, and I'm Using the the game as my primary media device to learn about that and it's not surface-level and it's really getting any of these characters and I don't know the difference. Like I'm I'm taking I'm I'm assuming the game is historically accurate based on either claims that they're making or just by the way, the game is designed then I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't like that either. I wouldn't I wouldn't want companies to do that. Like I wanted of I don't know if disclaimers right word, but I'd want to it should be obvious and not mislead people I think and that's that's another issue is like if you're if you're coming into a game and this is your exposure. So like Jordan reference to Iraq war was a great exposure for him for to learn about the Romans and get that developed and so on and so forth, but some people will come in and I guess another issue is is it on the onus of the producer publisher of a game to make sure that it's a tool that can educate someone. I mean, it's it's a popular media form of entertainment. So that's that's another tough one to navigate it, you know anywhere, but if they know it's historically inaccurate can they not use like what did have and I didn't play the game. So I'm more openly asking could they have changed the names could they have done something in the life of the character? But change the, you know, made it a different person or something. Like is there a way to spin that? So that they're Taking Liberties making the game the way they want but it's obvious to the player that they're not like its representatives. Are they using these characters just strictly for marketing reasons, like if they're using Julius Caesar, but they're portraying him in a way that is completely opposite of what he actually is like, yeah, like herbicide like why not? Like what can't they use different names? Mom had to use it's it's interesting that it's an interesting discussion because I actually I disagree with Evan in terms of I do think it's problematic. I like that use that word. It is proved that it's not necessarily always bad are always good. It's problematic. I do think the further back you go the more Liberties you can take and it doesn't matter because we have less less sources, you know picking up we're all stuck or not not us, but you know our neighbors to the South are kind of stuck in 1776, right? Like they make this Constitution and they're really they're really stuck in that time, right? They're working wage. Working from a historical document for modern law and and it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous because whatever what they do in 1776 is not going to apply to each other day and they keep making amendments to it and you know, like reading it in certain ways, but it doesn't matter like it's so obviously you could really argue that like from fifteen sixteen hundred on is when things start to matter more we have and we have historically as historians. We have more resources. There's more writing that survived like the sources get the the closer you get to the modern-day the better the sources are so I didn't play Unity the last other than Odyssey the last assassin's creed I played was to actually off and I think it's interesting you talk about Robespierre and how they totally you know, and like other characters and how they totally misrepresent them. I don't know the I don't know the character. I don't know the source is so I thought I would be in Erebus aside like I would play that and kind of be like, oh, okay. They they were kind of like this like obviously I know that they're not Templars assassins and whatever thoughts but But when I think of the depictions and how they did the characters in Assassin's Creed II, for example, like the Borgia Pope historically the record of the Borgia Pope is that he was a terrible Pope and his family was a terrible family and they were very evil. They make him an evil guy. They make him in charge of you know, young players or whatever a major part of the Templars. Meanwhile, Katarina Sports is kind of like this Rebel, you know, like Freedom Fighter kind of person like on the side of the Assassins fight against the Porsche pope now in real life those two did fight and those two were serious enemies, but if you watch there's two different television shows if you watch the two different television shows of The Borgias a Porsche is are the main characters and yes, they do bad stuff. But Katerina Sports also isn't good and none of the other ancillary characters in you know, Late medieval Italy or Renaissance. Italy are good either so Is it problematic? I think you can be the closer you get to modern-day the closer you get to people who still matter to us and who are our figures that we rally behind again. I talked about Winston Churchill. A lot of people rally behind Winston Churchill for a lot of the World Winston Churchill is a monster. It gets really problematic then, you know, if you have a video game that's like raw Winston Churchill is The Big Year. Oh, how's that going to play in Ireland? Not well, how's it going to play in India? Not very well, right. So it's hard I think so. It's like almost no matter what if you're interested in Nashville. I think it's inevitable. Yeah, you're betraying historically accurate. If you're trying to be historically accurate No Matter What character you portray? You're going to probably piss somebody off. It's the way I've got a problem cuz you have to you at the end of the day. You pretty much have to decide on a narrative for that character on a narc for that character and you're going to and depending on your view. You're going to pick one or the other right? You're going to pick what you hero was your monster, you know, yeah, that's a really interesting point. No for sure. Another point I wanted to bring up how do developers have a responsibility to be historically authentic Even If it threatens inclusivity, so I kind of wanted to touch on that. So like maybe not even inclusivity but like if there's parts of the history like Jordan remember you were mentioning before I think it was about like wage, you know, like in certain Wars there was a lot of like rape and all this horrible horrible stuff, like obviously they're they're probably not going to show that kind of stuff in video games, right? But like where is that line? Right like I know there was a big issue with I think it was Battlefield V where they were showcasing saying there was women soldiers in the game and a lot of people were upset about that because they were saying no there was no women soldiers in the US like Do you think that's do you think that's an issue for EA to put women soldiers in the game? Like I guess it depends on who you talk to you right if they if they're trying to be historically accurate or require authentication that a problem I think in my view if your marketing it as this takes place during insert time. And this is happening and that's the way you Market it. Yeah, It is a problem if you do that deliberately, but if this is an alternate history or what could have been or you're making taking those Liberties and you make that clear. Yeah, I think there is some freedom to do that to what extent I don't know. I mean, it's it's tough to say, I mean you you referenced, you know, there's been various dark things throughout history. Do you want that portrayed? Do you want certain groups to be completely marginalized is a game in a disturbing way. Well, I don't know like is it necessary to go to those extents in games and to portray history in such a way that it's so raw and dead. You're excluding groups entirely from that and I don't know. I I think I think it's very tough. And I think when a developer gets into those situations would need to be careful about what they want their game to be what their overall mission and vision for the game is and make sure that that aligns with that and you're not changing based on I want to meet the needs of this particular audience above all other audience members. You need to keep it. Okay, what are my core values of the company? What's my mission for this game? And not not Pander if it's genuine a great but I find a lot of companies and not just in the video game industry, but outside tend to Pander and make it seem like they're being so woke and it's just not it's just a money grab. It's just a money grab fear. Sure. And I think I think Evan nailed it when he said you know, like what is what is the mission of the company or the game? Right? So the whole Battlefield V thing took over the world war two one that came after a battlefield one. It's ridiculous. Right? Because you can tell first of all it's ridiculous cuz it's Battlefield. What is the mean? What is the main push of Battlefield the multiplayer? Sure. So right off the bat if if that is the main push of the game then like know who gives a shit, you know, it's much more important that women who want to play games and or younger girls who want to play games can see themselves in it as much more important the per the poll push and purpose of that game was not to be historically accurate and you knew that from the very same opening trailer when like buddies got his like weird process. This is like rifle prosthetic or whatever and you know, they're busting out of the building in the tank. It's just like ridiculous. The trailers are ticket. So to think yep. That is going to be like historically accurate at all. Now, it's interesting cuz you just suppose that with Battlefield one and that was much more serious. And I think I think the mission of that game was to tell a more compelling story. It was to share stories of world war one that a lot of people don't know about because you know, if you look at the world war one and World War two sections that chapters or wherever you buy books, you'll see there's there's a big difference, you know, you get aisles and aisles and aisles of World War Two everybody writing about Hitler and Winston Churchill and tanks and I you know, the waffen-ss and whatever else many fewer people are writing about World War one and many fewer people know anything about World War one. It's not a fantasy right just to jump into a battlefield one just quickly on that point what I found interesting is another problem is Battlefield 1 if if they're marketing that as we're we're respecting history, they got maligned for that and criticized by a lot of historians for some other depictions. And so then if Jeff Marketing your game is odd. We want to give a treatment to history in this way. Then you've got a different audience. It's going to come back at you and various other groups are going to say You're not meeting you know, so it's once again, how do you balance that? You know, do you want to offer more fast and loose like a battlefield V or 5 whatever on a call it or do you want to go a bit more accurate but maybe not quite hit the mark in a one dancer. There is money, right like historians aren't buying the games off. So, you know, it's like okay the historians can say anything they want they're going to complain but overall I would say, you know, like obviously it's quicker and stuff like that. It still has to be a game the funds still has to be their life, but I guarantee a lot of people play Battlefield 1 and they learned a lot of stuff and then I also think it's, you know, like you couldn't play as a woman now you could play as like a black German Soldier or something like that, which I think would have been a little common but not not, you know impossible and there's other games like The Witcher and Kingdom Come Deliverance that actually people of khong Have been you know in predominantly white communities all over the world throughout history that that it's never been a thing where like, you know, we haven't had kind of like international issues on international travel, you know, there is a there's a Syrian Couple. Up near Hadrian's Wall. So and you can see on her to him. She's wearing her hair and like a Syrian style and stuff like that. And that's all the way from Syria to the north of England. So there have been people of color all over the world throughout the beginning of History. So it's so for them to say like, oh we didn't include them in I start the Acura is ridiculous. But and then one of the expansions for Battlefield 1 and and you see them getting away from it, not that I think this is an accurate, but you see them getting away from it cuz of the expansions for Battlefield 1 multiplayer. Nothing added to like those strong narratives that I think they have but the Russian campaign the Russian Revolution, you can play as women in the Russian Revolution birth. Emissions and it's because women would have taken apart in those in some capacity. But like I said and like I haven't said it's really it's just the whatever the admission of your game is, right? If it's just to be fun then know don't don't issue inclusivity because okay. Well, it wasn't accurate but like, you know, neither is neither is your rightful place at Garden so don't eschew it just for that. But if you are trying to tell a very tight and intimate story, you know, I still don't understand why I like a game like Call of Duty. For example, Call of Duty dead Cold War. Let's just use that as example. Like why does it all have to be men all the time? It's like always men all the time and it's like, you know, why does Call Of Duty Modern Warfare? I have to be all these like gun toting throws. It doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be now. That might be the market that they're selling to most, you know, like they have their Doritos and they're seven up or whatever, but but there's a lot of women flake off. Duty right exactly so so it should change and I'm of the opinion that they missed the mark completely and Call of Duty Cold War. You should have been a Soviet you should have been with Khrushchev. You should eggs boil an American plot. I think that would have been much more interesting. Hm. Yeah for sure any other points you guys want to throw in on that. Yeah, I I pretty I mostly agree with what Jordan have been saying. I think there's still elements where yeah. I mean, like I said, it's going back to what I said. I guess it all depends about the vision and the mission of the game and in the end a video game is an entertainment product. And if you want to come in with something that's multiplayer. That's fun to play the people in Georgia and interact with maybe get a little history here and there I don't think you should be under that much pressure nail all the historical points. I think you can have fun with it. And that's the beauty of gaming is that it's it's meant to be fun and from my experience as a teacher and using video games in the classroom, you know, some educational video games g lose sight of that they focus so much on the historical accuracy that it just becomes a lesson packaged up into what they call a game and it's a pretty sad excuse for it. So I think that if you're a mass-market video game company, you're creating something like a Call of Duty. I think you do have free time. In that vein to to play a bit fast and loose with history and I don't think you should be maligned for that as long as it's coming from a good place and you're keeping in mind what you want as a company and also your marketing at a certain way to your audience and you gotta make sure those the line with each other cuz you don't want to have the marketing be one way and then they actually play the game. It's totally different. Well quick example totally off of history. No man's Sky job market initially as X came out and it was why and people were like what you know, and you can do the same thing with the history game. So so I'm basically you stay in you keep along with your mission your vision your values for the game you Market it that way and that's the people get in the end and that's what they come to expect and I think some people get thrown off when their expectations don't in line and took that could be on the person that could be on the company, but it's it's hard to say, but yeah, I think there should be some freedom. Sure. Have you guys played God of War? Yes, and like most recent. Yeah, the the Norse one. I'm sure I haven't played them to be honest. So I wanted to touch on it cuz I want to get your guys take on it. So like like I said, I haven't played it but I've seen like trailers and stuff like that. But my understanding is a lot of Greek Norse mythology. Is it both or one or one of those both as it starts like in the PS2 era in Greece and then and then you end the game and then you go but scandinavia's okay. So but then but then in the most recent Norse version there is Greek mythology in the Norse in the mostly Norris version home as well. So they're kind of mixed in there. It's interesting. Yeah, so the games are obviously not. Historic, they're not aiming to be historically accurate at all. Right, but there is a lot of still a lot of history in those games. The correct me if I'm wrong a lot a lot a lot might be a strong word. But yeah, okay, but but is there is no value in in that if there's some history in the games. Do you think there's value in that in that way God of War can lead people to get an interest in Greek or Norse mythology. Absolutely and that's what happened to me. I play God of War when I was a kid the first one that came out and I don't know if I had before I mean memories are of funny like that, but I'm pretty sure that was one of my big pushes to fall in love with Greek history play. The first God of War rented it. I think I played played thirteen twelve hours straight something like that beat the home and I was I was hooked then I was like, I want to know more about these Gods. I want to know more about this. I want to know more about that and maybe that's just me but I don't know I do think there is potential there. I just don't think you go each going. Okay. I'm looking for a highly accurate representation of Norse mythology or Greek mythology, 12 12 of those 13 hours 7 just spent in Aphrodite's chamber. Well, I mean, yep. Your priorities straight x x 0 0 trying a game we talked about on the podcast. That was a that's been our most successful episode. Actually, we talked about Hades and I don't know if you guys are familiar with that one haven't played it yet, but I haven't played it all yourself. Sorry. Okay, but air bags are are big on that and we really enjoy it. But that game is obviously not historically accurate either but my understanding is that all the gods depicted are their actual selves like Zeus lightning wielding God right in there's there's Poseidon and there's all all I don't know if they're all there but there's a whole bunch of them. So even just from an educational perspective if you're trying to learn about different different Greek gods and stuff. I mean that's I think there's certainly value in that would you say the same thing urbis? Yeah. I mean it kind of goes back to my my thing on Thursday. Enjoy games that kind of against surface-level kind of just get you into a topic give you a little bit of the history a little bit of the background me Hades is a rogue light top-down action, you know that form in game or whatever like sort of diablo-esque, but they have lots of dialogue lots of History within that dialogue. I'm actually on a YouTube channel here. Now you guys would definitely like this. I'm doing some research before it's called history respond only have about 9,000 subscribers, but they do hour to hour and half long videos where they interview doctors and historians and stuff like that song through universities in different places that and the the latest video they have is on Haiti's they do an hour and half interview with some historians on on Hayes and the accuracy of it. And apparently it is surprisingly very accurate. So again for me, I don't use gaming or having experienced any games yet where I've used it as a primary media device to learn history, but it gets me into that topic. I learn a little bit about it and log Do outside research like like this and and get more into it. But but yeah that Drew me into Hades for sure, you know, some of learning a little bit more about the behaviors or or you know, that's what history has said the behaviors of those individuals were so and and like you said, yeah, if anything it gets you it gets your feet wet, right? It's like okay. Yeah, I actually find this kind of interesting. Let's take more in-depth look into it whether the game is accurate or not. I just think yeah, it's a good way to just done dive into and get more interested. I think an example for me too. And and you as well Erebus is when the movie should be 300 came out right going back to Spartans again like Gerard Butler. This is Sparta, you know, Spartan Kick, it's awesome. Like just full-on action. All the guys are ripped and they're just kicking ass the entire time right? It's Joe. This is awesome. Spartans are so cool. Right and then you look up the actual War like when you're actually researching it. I'm like, oh, well, it's probably again. I'm not a history guy myself, but based on what I was reading. It didn't log. Exactly happened the way it was depicted by moving wasn't exactly just three hundred guys in that past exactly right. It's yeah, there are a few hundred extra guys kind of kicking around. But yeah, but but again it got me, you know interested in in the story, right? So whether that's right or wrong, I don't know but for me, I think that's it for a lot of people that's probably a good entryway into home learning about history. Right whether it's in the movies or games one thing that you mentioned and you said you're not not really a history guy and so on and so forth. So I guess I mean anyone watching that's not super into history. I guess another way to understand this month is so if you're a historian, you know enough about history and you're playing a game and you realize it's historically inaccurate that's wrong that's wrong. It might take you out a bit. So take you to the game environment you have issues with it, depending on who you are. Some people are more critical than others. So if she at it in a sense of the internal logic of The Narrative of Any Given game the world used built and then you start changing things in that internal logic and the player and I'm sure you've all played games where you're like something out. Doesn't fit in The Narrative of that world and it happens in the game. And then you go that doesn't make sense that is and video game representation of what historical accuracy looks like two people who know the history it takes you out of that experience. So I'm trying to think of a game now that I can't think of one where basically you have this established logic of how the narrative is how the world is and then something happens a character does something completely out of the norm doesn't fit any of the history doesn't fit any of their character progression and then you go wait a second and then you step back and you're like you're not in it you're not as immersed and that's kind of what happens when you notice historical accuracy in games and they're glaring it's a similar kind of kind of feel. Yeah. Not for sure. We're clocking a little bit over an hour here. So I'd kind of like to get our final thoughts on this if that's cool. So I think we all agree about like the question should developers aim to be 100% accurate when it comes to depicting history. I think the answer we can all say no on that right like no, I don't think I guess depending on what kind of game it's aiming to be. Generally. I know they don't need to be 100% accurate. Can we all agree on that? Yeah. Yep. And yeah, well, okay, let's just let's just put it like this does historical accuracy actually matter in games. So I guess we'll get our final thoughts on that. So Erebus, what do you think does historical actually wage actually matter at the end of the day when it comes to producing and it matters some games. It matters in games that I feel it would bother me and it bothered me that bothered me in movies too. Like I probably more examples for movies when I do research and I find out something was portrayed a certain way. I kind of felt you know, either was propaganda or I was just felt deliberately misled and I just you know, it didn't unless I can understand in a game why they did that for a gameplay reason but again even that she could there's ways that that developers I think can be smarter too. So that the the gamer knows it's not historically accurate, but you can still enjoy it. So I I again surface-level for me and if it's fairly obvious, I enjoy little sprinkle of History. I haven't played a game yet. Maybe I'll play one from you guys that is a lot more focused on historical authenticity or and and down and I can learn a lot more from it, but it doesn't take away from the game play experience. I'm to Evans point, you know on immersion. Like I If something takes me out of a game and it's 4 gameplay reads. Vince and and it's for the sake of being historically accurate. It doesn't matter. Like I won't I'd rather finish a game and it be historically inaccurate but I learned enough from it to do to kind of prompt me to do age or background research than play a game that is historically accurate. And then I'm just like I I lose interest, you know an hour into the game and then I never end up, you know learning more about that topic so but I think it's I think with the development of our that we've touched on another podcast with the development of technology. I think it's gonna be really interesting to see what developers come up with and how it can be used as an educational tool for people on history and especially as the years go on and we've got more now we have more records of History, right as as time goes on in the years go on. So like twenty Thirty forty fifty years from now a video game on nine-eleven off, right? Like how is that going to look or what kind of what are we going to see there and those types of things so I'm I I I like I think my my fear I guess is that and I'm really liking what you guys are doing with with kind of the way that your your company is is is marketing or working on games and kind of the angle that you have because I really fear I guess as time goes on that. It won't matter enough and there won't be enough of a market for it as as time goes on to the new generation comes up and those types of things. So I hope it's still matters, but I'm concerned it won't and you know, the fortnite sub the world will take over and and we'll lose that so hopefully that doesn't happen. But am I I just it matters to me. I don't know if it matters to the mats the the masses as much as it should and hopefully it will grow. Cool Evan final thoughts on historical accuracy and games and does it matter or not? So yeah, I'm going to say yes out of the gate but there's a huge caveat to that and it's it's it just goes back to what you want the game to do. Are you doing altering History Month are you doing is this about multiplayer? Is this about mostly focused on the gameplay and so on and so forth and just to link back to my previous point is portrayals of real people and then that can be problematic is the more recent you get, you know, you don't want to put a certain slant on someone that is going to get you in really hot water. Maybe you do. Maybe you want to take that risk, but then they you risking marketing potential. Are you risking your reach for the game by making those statements? And do you want that to seep in and it's all part of bias and stuff like that. So it's a complicated question and off the fact that we're making historical and cultural Focus games. You think it would be an immediate like, yes, absolutely, but I don't think we can approach it from that way a historian and I mean we're we're both historians to log. But a traditional historian academic so on and so forth maybe going like, you know. A doctor and certain, you know, and they haven't really looked at entertainment especially with video games a lot of misunderstandings. They're dead. There's an expectation of if you do X, it's got to be completely accurate, you know, the history is there why not, you know research and get it. All right, but is that the purpose and and that's what always comes back to me is what is what are you trying to do? We we are trying to preserve and show cultural historical narratives that are important and often on a very personal deeper level. We're we're we're touching on some really tough topic and maybe some perspectives you haven't seen on different topics, and I think that's important, but if you're looking at You know, you know these specific things is this date, right? Is this person? Exactly the way they're supposed to be is this event exactly the way it happened and so on and so forth. There are too many gaps. And if the information is there isn't misinterpreted is it biased and so on and so forth. So I think basically you got to know what you're getting into and as a developer, you've got to know off whole point of the game is so in the end I'd say that it depends on what you want to do. But in the grand scheme of video games, I'm going to say no I said, yes, but but I'm going to say no that historical accuracy in the grand scheme of all video games and even historical ones that that I mean through a quick throw-in for civilization civilization is extremely historically inaccurate, but it has so much historical values as a learning tool about diplomacy and War in different cultures, but I mean you could be the I don't know you could be Stalin and build a great pyramids mean that's not historically birth. Whatsoever. Well, they're Gandhi nuclear. Gandhi there. Yeah. Yeah where they had that literally on and off, you know, the glitch early on in development then plug on demand nuclear and they just kept it and every other game that he was super aggressive when he was supposed to be a pacifist thought it was kind of kept it but that game I think is a perfect example for me and I'm usable teaching it is extremely historically inaccurate, but the historical value of that game is Monumental to me because there's so much in that these little nuggets of truth from history that you put in there taken as a whole not accurate but taken in parts that you can play off of and expand on and learn more about I think it's very powerful. So yeah, I'd say no or yes, but or whatever you want to put it but yeah, very weird answer. I like what you said like it comes down to purpose. Right? What does the company? What is the company aiming to do do they do they really want to preserve culture like like you guys are doing and tell stories that way or they just you know, it just it comes down to purpose. That's that's my understanding of what you're what you're getting that for sure and bath. Jordan final thoughts historical accuracy has like like 11:00 said, you know, it's it's the purpose but I would say no accuracy doesn't matter authenticity matters, but accuracy doesn't Fair enough. Yeah, I would agree with that too. As long as the game is being authentic in its history than I I think that's ultimately what it comes down to and purpose as well. For sure. Okay. That was a good discussion guys. I enjoyed that. I don't know if we put the topic to rest or not. But I think we definitely put a massive dent in it for sure. It's huge. It's complicated. It's it's not easy for sure. Like I said we are over time but if you guys have time are you up for a small game of trivia? Absolutely not. I'm done with Iraq. I think I'm just going to throw the towel now, I'm fine. Thank you later know it's good. Okay. So this is the segment of the show where I like to ask the panel who was here now with a question usually that is related to the topic that we've discussed. So I'd like to think it is. It's actually about the Oregon Trail have any of us played the Oregon Trail before birth. Yes, long time ago long time. I've screwed. I haven't it's all good. Like I said, it's all for fun. But if you get the question wrong, you're not allowed on the podcast again. So pressures on. Oh, I was looking for a way outside spur. Excellent. All right, here we go. So I'll ask the question and it's multiple choice and if anyone knows the answer for sure, I'll go to them first. Sorry if anyone knows the answer for sure I'll go to them last so that the other people can have a chance to guess but we'll go around then. I'll reveal the answer after sounds good. Perfect. So the Oregon Trail is a series of educational computer games. The original game was designed by Don home at which I'm probably pronouncing that correctly and he was a school teacher. He wanted to teach his eighth grade school class about the realities of nineteenth-century pioneer life on the Oregon Trail game. But the question I have for you guys is what year did Dawn unveil the Oregon Trail to his eighth grade class. So he he revealed this game to his club before it was released to the masses was it in nineteen sixty-one nineteen seventy one nineteen eighty-one or nineteen fifty-one. So say it again and I'll sit back. Yeah. So again, he's a teacher he wanted to educate his class on the realities of nineteenth-century pioneer life on the Oregon Trail and he showed his eighth grade class first before anybody else. What year did he do? This was in nineteen sixty-one. Nineteen seventy one 81-81 So Evan you think you have a decent idea. I hope I can't even way too confident on that one. I have no I'm just in my mind. I'm like surely it cannot be before I eighty-one surely cannot but isn't an old game. Yeah Erebus you ever going to say 81 sojourn you're going first. You're taking a stab at 81 going to say. Yeah. Okay. We'll go to your next and sevens pretty sure. Try and remember when it was released. but like I don't think it's 91 because he I'm pretty sure it was out then or was about to be out unless he showed it right before but I don't like guessing the same thing somebody else that I was going to go 81-71 and 61 make no sense to me at all. Unless it was like a board game when it first was revealed. Bullet West Seneca Lexus twist. So I'm going to go 71 cool. I will tell you it was a computer game. He did show to my knowledge. It wasn't a board game as an actual computer game that he's okay. Okay on what kind of computer I have no idea but I'll still say 71 years in case you have some mess up answering it and all right. It's like Jordans on 81717. So I'm thinking about dates with games and I'm thinking about pong his late seventies, Oregon Trails far beyond Palm graphically and it's not ninety 100% So I'm going to go 81 that's basically pong came into my head and I'm pretty sure Palm mid late seventies and I so yeah, Oregon Trail. I know my uncle grew up playing that and that was more in his wheelhouse. So 81. Okay. So Jordan and Evan you both said 81 Arabic song. It's seventy-one that correct. We have a correct answer. So Erebus you are correct. It is 1971. Wow, seven. Well, so piece of elimination sucked did he show it on a toaster? Like what did he show them off? Keep in mind is a series of educational computer games. So there's not just one game right? Then there is a bunch released. So the very first iteration from little research I did he released it to he showed his class in nineteen seventy one and then it was actually published and released on to the masses in 75. So after 5, so earlier thought huh? Yeah, and I I thought the same thing cuz we I know we can picture in my head and that's that's early but like I said, there are a bunch of iterations of the game like there might be like 10 there must going to say that we played it was true as a dog was a hot product in the night. Yeah, and when we played in the nineties, that was probably I don't know the 8th iteration or something. Yeah. So was very first generation. I believe was probably like a tech. It could have been a text-based one for all I'm confused. I'm good. I'm dead. But I mean the like with the whole pong thing like Evan just said pong was seventy-nine. I have a research this afterwards. This is fascinating to me. Yeah, I agree it. It must've been like a a text. I would say it was very very Saxy under the first off. It was the first iteration as I said remember, so that's probably just just to jump in now wasn't that like extremely graphic in a certain point of that K or am I think of another game that was called the Oregon Trail? Cuz I remember there was a certain scene in them is not appropriate for 8th graders unless I'm thinking of a different game that came out. I'm not sure might be thinking of drinking. I don't know. What was it mainly came from it like you died of dysentery or something wrong with yeah. That's like the most famous thing. Yeah. Yeah for sure. All right. I'm thinking of another game thinking of General Custer's Revenge. That's different. That is very different. Yeah, that is a very different game in Jordan knows exactly what I'm thinking of right now to be different. That's that was okay. That's yep. You're not going to shut the 8th graders. Okay. Glad that's not the same game. I've never heard of that game actually to look at item. I just it's right on the if you go right on the wiki the wiki it's 1971 released in nineteen seventy-four to Thursday, Minnesota educational Computing Consortium, and it was released on an HP 2100 mini computer is a tech space. I feel like it would have to be either have to do that. Maybe it was a time travel and it just looked amazing. Something but it's it's got it has to be. Yeah, it's no wet. All right. Well that's going to do it for the trivia segment. So thanks. Thanks guys for doing that page. And yeah, so let's we'll do the final send-off now we'll do the farewell and plug and all that kind of stuff. So Erebus anything you want to plug or say before we head up no choice slash Erebus is always ended ensuring this week. Maybe next week. It's been five years. We'll see. Yes Arab is used to stream all the time. And he he plugged himself every single wage yet. He still has not streamed in a long time. So Evan and Jordan, I'll let you both take this part here. So is there anything you want to plug or say about stormy short Studios specifically home before we go where the best gaming company to ever exist and our games are going to be entirely historically accurate and were going to do the impossible. And yeah, I didn't want to make the expectations too high and I think we're going to sell Billion dollars worth of games. So does that sound business and good reasonable? I think it's a reason why it's pretty solid. Yeah, definitely sounds good and billion dollars worth of games definitely sounds good. It's pretty awful that happened reasonable not realistically though. There's not much to plug right now. We got a very social platforms. They all it's funny. Now, I'm on the spot. They all different names. Like I know Twitter is a short story long, but there's variations on her name and usually they're linked on the various social platforms. They shouldn't be too hard to find and our website is w w w. Story short, and yeah, you can check it out. I think it looks pretty okay and there should be links to our various pages on there as well. Do you guys have so it's two games regiment and relocation and do you have release dates lined up yet that you're willing to push are put you on the spot. I wrote I just I really want to play these games. It's really sort of your honeymoon him. Certainly not cool. It's on it's on the cyberpunk schedule. Yeah schedule cool. I figured I'd I didn't know if we get exclusive reveal or Eco or not. So I figured I'd try we're whipping the employees as of really strict crunch going on right now. They're out there chained up in our basement in front of computers. And it's it's it's very sad, but they're doing something because they love it and that's all that matters. Nice going to be next week's debate topic. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's a good one actually get a report on that. But yeah release dates. I put up when I first talked the website mid September and this is me being naive. I was a good just going to put up Q3 and Q4 next year. I don't know. I mean, maybe we'll get around that time maybe not, but we'll see. I don't want to put any numbers on it. So if you see that in the website the websites a liar, and I had nothing to do with it. Cool. Well, we would love to have you guys back on the show maybe with a further along development. Maybe we can actually have a show dedicated to you guys specifically talking about your games who thinks I'm I'm certainly interested. I know Erebus as well. So I think it'd be cool to have you guys back if you're up for it to home. Further discussions or we can pick another Topic in debate that too but I think I think it was a lot of fun today and I really enjoyed it having you guys we have speaking fees though. So I feel like those are go way up. So you should take advantage of us now because you know, it'll be like really really cool. It'd be dicey. Yeah. Now we're up for that. That'll be fun. Yeah, cool perfect. Do either of you have individual personal Twitter's or anything like that. Outside of Stormy Shore can follow you follow me at scampi Fox on everything scampi Fox got a VIN about anything for you know know I know song leave me alone and social media, please. Yeah, perfect. Follow me, but don't at me. Yeah. Yeah, like I mean, I've got a LinkedIn profile and people message me about the most random stuff and I'll be like hey, okay, I don't know who you are. What do you want? The new one? Right? That's a new it's like add me out at me at LinkedIn add me on LinkedIn everybody. Yeah me if I'm really I'm really hip and not happen and that's when everything happens on the LinkedIn. I'm I'm 500 + 500. + yeah, they're all right guys what that's going to do it for us. You can follow us on Twitter at I never cast for this and you can follow me on Twitter at Health are if you have a question for any of us on the panel or any past guests or if you have just a question at all, or if you want to send And us a trivia question to stump all of us send it to I never cast for this at gmail.com. We're also on Facebook or on Instagram. We have Discord. We're on Twitch off. Yeah, all those things you can find all these social media links on for the show notes of every show on YouTube or on the audio formats as well. Feel free to leave us a review on Apple podcast app. If you like the show, if you didn't like the show leave us a review anyway and tell us how we can get better. And other than that that's like I said, it's going to do it for us. Thank you so much for tuning in this week. Thanks for Evan and Jordan from Shore for tuning in as well. And Evan is is holding up something that says no question no choir. No don't I don't ask any questions. Okay, I'm kidding. Oh my God. I'm in a weird mood guys. I guys I'm just maybe I'm tired, but it's 12:08, Newfoundland sign here. So yeah. Yeah. I tried to trouble the thing with a pan that was fading and I was like, yes. Yep. Going to work out as well, but I've committed to it. So I just had to show it. I mean the S is all caught up and everything. It's it's the effort some ideas not working. I appreciate the effort. It's all good. And all right that's going to do it for us guys. Thanks so much for tuning. In fact that we'll see you all next week at 8:30 p.m. 8:30 p.m. 8:30 p.m. Eastern time on Monday. Take care off and and

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Rick Mercer remembers John Crosbie, who has died at 88

The Current

02:47 min | 11 months ago

Rick Mercer remembers John Crosbie, who has died at 88

"This is a CBC podcast. Matt Galloway this podcast from on the January tenth edition of the current. Pull before we go. We want to Aknowledge. The death of John Crosby for more than fifty years in public public life. He was a force unlike many others as a federal cabinet minister in to progressive conservative governments from his budget. That brought down the Joe Clark Administration in Nineteen seventy any nine to his shutdown of the cod fishery devastated communities to his tenure as left hand governor of his beloved Newfoundland and Labrador John Crosby was eighty eight years old. We thought it's only fitting to give the last word today to another luminary of that province Rick Mercer. I'm Matt Galloway. Thanks for listening to the current and have a great weekend. Well you could put forward an argument that he was perhaps. The most influential politician in history was a man who is at the center of every significant part of Newfoundland history since confederation and whether people agreed or disagreed with him nobody ever questioned his love of Newfoundland and Labrador. It was infused in everything he did. Not only was he a giant figure in Newfoundland. He was a giant figure nationally and in many ways he was our most famous newfoundlander for many many decades. Okay so we were okay with that because he embodied all the qualities that we're proud of he was hard working he was passionate he was capable and had a hell of a sense of humor and we were proud of him. He was known as a good guy. And I don't think there's anyone in Canada who knew John or Jon who wouldn't want to sit next to him on a plane or have a bear here with the guy and I was fortunate enough to do both of those things probably the first time I spent any time with him when his book was released no-holds-barred which is a great political memoir. And I was on this hours twenty two minutes and I went down and I did a shoot with him at his summer place anyway. We came up with his gag where he was going to throw me the office land at the end and he said I've got something for you. And he went in the shed and then he came out and then he had a gun with him and he threw me off the law and then he said the seem Amisi you can kiss my and Blam he fired the gun over my head and it was a great moment scare the hell out of me but just as soon as he fired the gun. The door opened opened and Jane his wife ran out and she said John. You told me you got rid of that. And he looked at me and he said it's time for you to go. He had a great sense of humor. And he always had time for me as a young fella anytime I happen to be around him and I would badger him with questions and that kind of thing. He was a gentleman for more C._B._C.. PODCASTS Goto C._B._C.. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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ROAR-2014-02-10 - Episode 128 - Back To Gold

Republic Of Avalon Radio

54:21 min | 7 years ago

ROAR-2014-02-10 - Episode 128 - Back To Gold

"<music> hi wholesome sweden. You're you're listening to republican ever long radio. Aw snappin bra straps podcast the pocket all the incident at fremantle. We gotta get stanford. The mentally has greeted little shown with going to coming to you almost live from the heart of the republic of avalon. This is republic of avalon radio <music> <music> uh-huh republican <music> jimmy butler republicans avalon radio. You are with the roar and i am indeed. Jim fiddler very glad to be here. If you're renew with us a great big welcome come on in pull up a chair. Put your feet up. Let your hair down your amongst friends here and some of those friends are the ones that i would have to thank for sticking with us all these years and being patient with us <hes> sort of coming and going up and down <hes> the the roar will be turning nine this year. That's right folks nine years old in may we first started roaring in may of of two thousand and five and we're still here and gaining strength. I must say so glad to have you all along old and new and spread the word. If you have a blog or a website or whatever please put a link to our website excite republic of avalon radio dot com or the feed itself h._t._t._p._s. colon slash slash feeds dot feed burder dot com slash flash republic of avalon radio any little bit helps and we really do appreciate it. We're we're trying to kind of get in the second life breathed into the roar and we're really quite excited both lilliana myself about the whole thing and the way everything is shaping up with what we've been been doing in regards to the moore website and <hes> various other things in the background updating the feed. The feed is is all brand new that feet. I just told you about that feed burner thing. That's all brand new. Were hosting that ourselves now and we've got a few editorials secrets. <hes> secret projects objects that were working on quietly in the background that we will announce when the time is right and <hes> just good things happening with the roar and roaring toward nine years old of course ten will be the big one. We definitely will be celebrating ten years of roaring next year nine. It's that's pretty special. We'll give it a nod. We'll give it a mention plan. I think next year is going to be the big one so we might plan something. Perhaps for next year and try to give people <hes> enough of a heads up. A lot of you. Guys have been listening for a long time from pennsylvania to ohio. I owe to australia to new zealand the u._k. All over the place and wouldn't it be nice. Maybe if we could organize something and get a whole bunch of people together other and have some good food and some good <hes> beverage chain some good music and give everybody a chance to meet each other and so on. I don't know it's just an idea. Anybody has any thoughts. Let us know gorbatov website. Get in touch with us. You have any thoughts. Let us know we're always interested in what you think and of course the last episode i put out a call for shout outs and didn't come up dry but we need more folks covered. Get shouting for the royal. Get roaring just to get in touch with us on the website tennyson m._p. Three or a wave file just saying who oh you are where you are and telling everybody else what they're listening to and become part of the roar as opposed to just a listener listeners are great but <hes> you know how they say <hes> there's two types of people leaders and followers and all that stuff. I don't believe that that's part of that dialectic that eh divide and conquer split everybody up and everybody over on the left and over on the right and all that stuff. I always think there's a third option at least and probably <music> a million and three options third. One is the one that i like you. Don't have to be necessarily leader or follower. You can be a participant so in any case this episode episode one hundred twenty eight of the roar. It's olympic time all of that stuff his going on over yonder and <hes> listening to it made me realize wow you know it's that whole concept that that whole thing i know there's been some side issues to these olympic games and <hes> you know different people have varying degrees of opinions about that that that really need for me to share mine with you but at least the games themselves <hes> some people setting bar somewhere for the for themselves setting a goal and working very hard to achieve that goal that is something that i've always always encouraged in other people and <hes> sought sought to reach for from within myself. You always have to settle but if you aim high you'll fall short. That's kind of an old thing that i adopted a long time ago. You never really ever get one hundred percent. No matter what you if you you you gotta give your your hundred fifty percent to maybe maybe come out with your seventy five percents or whatever however that works out or like as bob marley said you you give your more to receive your less so oh i always always encouraged that that whole notion aim high set your sights high. You'll always fall short of that but wherever you fall short you'll be glad that you set your sights as high as you did in the first place so that is why i thought it would be a good idea to reach back into the roar archives way back way back folks. We're back to the year two thousand and six when we spoke with toby mcdonald a good friend the virus who we haven't seen for quite a while so we hope all is well with you toby hello from lilian myself and we're going to have to get an eyeball at some point soon oops. That's an amateur radio term. It's a ham radio term toby. It just means we've got to get together. You see each other in person as opposed to on a computer screen or over a telephone or by letter. Whatever get an eyeball podium. We'll i have to get together toby so give us a holler and <hes> we'll. We'll hook up sometime in the meantime. Let's just kick back and enjoy this is from from two thousand and six from the roar archives. This is an interview that i did with <hes> toby mcdonald. Who was the coach of the brad. Goo curling team team that won gold in italy on behalf of canada and we have a kind of a relaxed kickback right here in this room i mean here right now right in the root cellar him and i just had a kicked back and had a nice relaxed conversation and i've revised at somewhat i had a bunch of music and it before before for whatever reason that back then in those times in that particular show and the whole whatever but i cut all that out <hes> do a lot of songs in in between the the interview. The interview was broken up quite a bit so i've i've kind of had joined it back together as much as i could and just given a little bit of ambient music in the back doc. I hope you like that. See people. Don't talk about this stuff on the regular. What do you call a terrestrial radio. I guess we we talk a little bit in terms of <hes> the podcasting world you get to hear a little bit more. We get excited while we get a new microphone for example. We tell you about it and things like that. You'd never ever hear the guy on on the b._b._c. or the c._b._c. Or whatever saying well hi this is fred. Smitheram riddick cited today have a brand new microphone in front of me. <hes> is the <hes> sure s._m. Seven b. and i'm using the extra foamy pop filter that was supplied with it. I've done some you just never hear this stuff so for any of you that are half geeky whatsoever. This is a little edge at podcasts at whatever they are whatever apparently podcast our supposedly <music> c._b._c. and bbc and a._b._c. n._b._c. and all that <hes>. I think the name was not the best name in the first place but whatever it is. It's what we do for real the old and we've been doing it. We're i into farmland. We've been doing before any of those folks in fact when we were doing. We were being interviewed by the c._b._c. and the b._b._c. and the a._b._c. a._b._c. Us and other people like us asking what the heck is this crazy podcasting thing that you kooky cats are up to now. They're all doing it and unfortunately i think a lot of the real spirit of of sort of got lost in the dust and we're hoping to revive that we're in the process of reviving that and the only way we're going to do that is with your help. <hes> so that's how the whole thing started in the first place there was a whole enthusiasm about kind of like the people's printing press innocents and you know nope. I'm not some kind of big radio star or whatever you guys can email me. You can send me an m._p. Three <hes> we can have a chat on skype or whatever the case may be. You know letting myself or just people just because i put out records and things like that. I'm living breathing flesh human being anyway. I digress. Let's get on with things. Let's go back to two thousand six toby mcdonald and enjoy enjoy you are listening to republic of avalon radio <music> <music>. You also sir <music> <music> republic avalon radio your with the roar. I'm jim fiddler. Eh i'm very happy to have with me here in the root cellar live and in the flesh none other than mr toby mcdonald who is the coach coach of the brad gouzer team that on behalf of all the fine people of newfoundland and labrador went to italy and won a gold medal for the canadian olympic team just so happens that that seems to be the way it is when newfoundlanders want to go into the olympics at that is the route you you go on the canadian team gene and that's fine too <hes> welcome welcome to the rumor toby while it's a pleasure being here jim myself from toby no each other socially. I guess you'd say from the local bar that we both <hes> occasionally have been known to qualify guinness. That's right yeah <hes> where many of your listeners have been with us <hes> several times and <hes> just we were just talking away you know as you do as you know people over time and you have conversations about this and that of course it was very interesting to us that <hes> that the boys were going over to italy to to do this thing with the curling team and we were holding their breaths and chrysler fingers and toes and wishing them all the best and you know what they've done. Well went and did it so i. I guess let's start. Let's start at the end instead of the beginning since that win. What's been the spirit what's been happening with the yourself in the guys well one of the things that we had committed to when when we were successful was to visit everybody's hometown so we've done that and it's been pretty busy because we had to go up to moncton new brunswick. We're russ howard is from and we started without actually going to harbour grace where jamie core abbas from around the bay here and <hes> the <hes> people in raise people in moncton and then subsequently went into lab west <hes> the people of labrador were absolutely fantastic. One of the things i found him over the course of it was at like when we got off the plane two weeks. Go in labrador or it was as if though we had just gotten off the plane from midland it was that fresh in people's minds even though was five six weeks after we won that <hes> they were there and they were crying and and were it was it was amazing. The amount of personal stake that people put into this and you probably would have imagined as people. Would i suppose when you come back. It's like it's hot and <hes>. Let's you know whatever jump on it now because next month who's gonna care and it wasn't the case still isn't i can't go anywhere augie. I'm the coach the team in the one that would have been leased on tv and kind of avoided it to the to tell you the truth but even with that i can't go anywhere without people recognizing the and of course the first thing that they do come up to you and say i don't know you but i have to tell you my story and we've heard some absolutely fantastic stories since we got back so now you know what it's like yeah i don't i don't know the we suffered as much as the people to newfoundland and labrador yeah <hes>. That's a funny thing to get used to. It really is and you know as a musician <hes>. I've i've lived with that for years. You know that kind of thing where strangers are coming up to you and they're greeting. You and they're telling telling you that somehow you affected their lives. Yeah and that's <hes> it's an amazing result for me because i'm not as used to that <hes> in terms of being in the public public eye and people come to you and they confide in you and they they tell you their story and what their interaction with the curling laws over the course of the olympics expand <hes> and it's <hes> it's amazing as i say i think <hes> as i was mentioning to you before. I think what i'm starting to figure out that people had a great emotional. Oh come the connection personally and commitment to the team's efforts to the point that we really do feel that it's part of newfoundland and labrador atlanta labrador our party tired of victory as opposed to just the people were throwing rocks. Yes and what would you say the percentage. What would you say the feeling is because i i kinda monitor this myself elf. I guess as a newfoundland republican. I monitor that sense of out of every hundred people i talked to my in my life my day to day. They life how many of those people consider themselves to be canadian and how many of those people consider themselves to be newfoundlanders as newfoundland being part of candidate. What what percentage would you say from your direct experience. How much of the the the cheering seems to be <hes> for the fact that these newfoundlanders accomplished this great feat and compared to what percentage seemed to be thinking of it in terms of canadian accomplishment. I don't think that about <hes> ninety nine percent would be about my estimate on that. I think that virtually everybody that i've talked to a newfoundland and labrador really feeling this was a newfoundland labrador victory and they're happy russ howard who comes from moncton originally monterey was part of the team yeah but they kind of take the view now he's adopted newfoundlander and <hes> <hes> that really was a newfoundland and labrador victory and i think that that's really i'd say almost almost one percent what you would think if i were a canadian living in canada and ontario somewhere i would think <hes> one would think having newfoundland as part of canada and having newfoundlanders going and doing this thing and winning the gold medal so you wouldn't imagine there'd be anything wrong with the notion that that these people come from a distinctive place with the culture and you'd be you'd be proud would make you proud to have newfoundland part of of your country. Wh what would imagine you so. Why would you wanna hide that or covered up. You know well you know when they joined us in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. I think people are finally coming coming to the conclusion that hey we're a great bunch of people. One of the things i find about newfoundland newfoundlanders newfoundlanders and labrador aliens is that we take great pride in being from we're we're from i mean i'm proud of being from saint john's and and the guys on the team are proud of coming from labrador and jamie core product coming from harbour grace and we all maintain maintain our own individual distinct culture here at newfoundland and don't really need to fight for it i i i. I think that you know it's part of our being that we just yet aren't happy to be newfoundlanders and happen to be from labrador and it's just the way that it is well. We we have been beaten down for for quite a while and there there is the whole concept of the new fee and <hes> the new fi jokes and the you know we're kind of like somewhere between the west virginia the arkansas of canada's something like that and <hes> we're in a circumstance arkham stance where we know how talented musicians are here. You know that yourself as a musician you go down on george street water street and you listen users world-class world-class world class everywhere we don't i don't particularly care whether the crowd of people who are not familiar with that put us down in relation to the not knowing their wealth of the talent that we have here. We have a wealth of talented musicians. We have a wealth of talent in athletes. We have a wealth of talented businessmen yup business women and i think most lenders are pretty contender under own skin that <hes> that hey you know we know that we're really on top of world in a lot of areas and <hes> though i agree with you that the you know from a colonial perspective yes there are a lot of people who still put us down and <hes> they just don't know what the reality is. Well i think <hes> i think you guys sorta. I gave them a little lesson. In that <music> aw i watched the gold medal game and you know i have to confess a another longtime curling fan but boy. I was right there and i what i saw was a very intense calmness very much. That was what i found and as a coach was my my main roles so <hes> reinforce to the guy. Is that <hes> they. They were deserving of being there. I really felt that. Our team had the best chemistry. Oh i thought we were the best appeared and i thought that we were mentally choon with ourselves with ourselves as a team so that when you went out onto the ice said to the boys many times i always repeat things to them and i said by told him that when i started the costa i repeat things and the reason i repeat things because sometimes sometimes takes little offer to message to get through yet but that if we went out on the ice and we played to our ability just played where ability that's all <hes> then the other team was going to have to play really really well to beat us if they beat us and they played really really well that was fine yet but as long as we went out ourselves and play to to our ability you have to play your game play our game and that's all we did. We never ever played a game any different because of anybody we played. We said they were going to have to come to us. Approach we talk and <hes> and it worked yeah it sure does i'm a fan and montreal's had its ups and downs you know as a in terms of hockey you you'd be hard pressed to a documentary on the sport of hockey without you mentioned the montreal canadians absolutely <hes> but one thing. I do see over the years when they've worked it there. Is that team thing they go they have. I think that's how much oh has won so much. It's because they have montreal you know they have that city and they have that culture and they have <hes> of course the quebec itself and they <hes> they've. They've traditionally had teams where it is all about going out and everything is for the team. It's not <hes> for the greatness of one particular individual on the nice when you get out there. You're you're part of a team and they better will the other teams darn. Well better. Come and try to play your game because you're you're. You're not playing. There's absolutely i agree with you that calmness and had confidence at montreal canadiens go out on the ice with just another team coming into the form. I mean they're we're already a little bit behind just by walking into that esteemed establishment you know it's it's it's kind of like mecca and the great yeah and the great thing about a halves fans and some other fans of other teams which we won't mention just seemed to <hes> buy tickets and go like it's just some sort of a picnic or something <hes> us fans if the guys together and they're they're making a bolic's of the whole thing. We'll boo them well. It's nice to see that we've got a newfoundland or up there leading them in scoring this year as well well. It doesn't hurt yeah here. We go again see michael ryder and <hes> he's just just teetering. There's two more games in the season left and he's he's teetering at twenty nine goals yeah but he's <hes> he brings his game to the ice every game about him in the same with with clarity with detroit detroit or leading leading the well. I guess they wanna presidents trophy and they've got <hes> clearly. They're playing lead defensive role yell at that team when he was a scorer when he was with some of his other teams but but <hes> again brings the spirit the same as ryder does bring the spirit onto the ice in terms of every game that he's going to give a hundred percent. You know what's so whenever i hear every now and again we listened to all the games james unsee j._d. In montreal but to hear michael ryder sometimes like in in one of the intermissions get on n. B. say a little bit about the game and whatever ever just to hear hear the the accent. Oh it's wonderful. It is yeah which you never hear him. Say the word i do you know that's right <music>. The republicans <music>. Let's go back a little bit in terms of we started at the end on on this sort of poke back a little sort of before working up to this. What was that like what what what was the what was the preparation involved with <hes>. You know. Get getting your game. One of the things that this team was very <hes> very mature about though they're young in age was that they would seek out older people to help them and people people in areas where they felt that they had a need they were prepared to go out and look so <hes> five years ago brad missed his last shot to win the canadian junior curling championships and at that time a simple act of humankind this occurred and that was he had missed the last shot and russ howard was the honorary chairman of that event and russ was leaving the club with his wife and he said to his wife <hes>. Would you mind i i i'll be out minute and she went out to the car and he went out onto the ice and he comforted brat. <hes> you know he told him he was a great curler and don't let this hold down and really built them back up and it turned out five five years later that simple active humorless kind when we were looking for a spare we we ended up picking up a you know yeah when when when you when you even before you even started i had russ howard in mind in addition there and <hes> i've been around the game of curling in newfoundland for longtime we won the brier back in nineteen seventy six thirty years ago and sort of been hanging around and the boys came back after they lost in two thousand and one and of course then when they came back following year and they and they won the canadian championship but in between between one or the other things that the boys did is again because they knew the mental part of the game is huge and curling they went to a fellow about baz cavanaugh who is a sports psychologist colleges of memorial university and they went to him. They said <hes> you know in live plan. <hes> we want to win the canadian junior and the world junior championship this year here we want to go and represent newfoundland at the brier we want to win the brier and we want to win the olympic medal in two thousand and six this is five years ago and he sat down with them and he said wow this is interesting and <hes> anyway he started working with them so they started <hes> dealing with him on a on a psychological basis and and trying to better himself that way then they got a sports <hes> physiologists from the university involved this year in terms of their training and conditioning so they basically been <hes> especially for the last fifteen months <hes> they haven't the down george street very much of how yeah and <hes> they've been pretty well having their nose sort of grindstone and working hard liquor liquor few lads getting ready for shuttle launch well. It was as keen as i you know. I don't know if you know the steps their next mile l. one stadium down there. There's a hundred steps will will do those <hes> twenty to thirty times a procession and they'd go down three or four times a week and so they're conditioning really worked on the conditioning additionally as well so the old stereotype about the curlers with the beer bellies and all that stuff didn't work on this thing he leave that for later well. We never never really found that alcohol enhanced performance when he actually go out on a regular a cold one few gold medal. Oh yeah i i. I managed orange to find a place outside. The athlete's village jim that had a had a guinness line on the outside of it and i went in there <hes> met up with the new zealand team. Actually oh really oh yeah. I had a great <hes> had a great evening with those. What was that like that sense of <hes> competition but camaraderie at the same time because you know when you're in that village when you're in the village. What was that like you know you'd be. I guess mutual mutual respect and admiration and i'm gonna kick your butt. You know yeah that would be pretty well it but <hes> not even so much to kick the but you said you knew that's what you were intending yet but <hes> one of the things that happened during the course of the thing that i felt quite positively about that when we i got to the village <hes> we were in the apartment size complex that <hes> how's the canadian team in the canadian women's hockey team weather and <hes> boys all met with them and they were very nice bunch of young ladies and <hes> the nice thing that i found was worldcom they had won the gold medal in the fast and and and they were now trying to win another gold medal but they were all calm laxed get so i found that was great because the boys said well hate it at the same goal that we do and in just hanging around with them we all kind of church for all of the canadian teams because what happened to it which was different in terms of this event was normally when you go to a curling event in the men's. It's the brier <hes> you know. You're there representing your province but when we got over there we were part of a large team the whole male female <music> old and and so that was really different. I have to say it was wonderful really because you look at it. You'd see a canadian jacket or jersey or whatever and they'd say hello so when you say hello or some some great athletes like <hes> you know <hes> katrina melanoma dome would actually come over to you and congratulate you eh as opposed to you going to get your picture taken with her. So being part of the big team was was great and and everyone felt very bad for the the women's team because you know they they had the potential there but unfortunately they just couldn't find the back of the net yeah i. I don't think they had the team you know the head the head individuals but i don't think they had the team and it's a lot of pressure. You know in in hockey in canada does a lot of pressure. You're supposed to win. Aw that's it same occurring yeah <hes> and it's it's how you deal with the pressure that <hes> i think <hes> dictator opportunities for success one of the things things <hes> just cute little story because everybody comes up to you with this this thing about pressure prior to going away for the olympics. I ran into a buddy of mine he said how do you think the boys are gonna gonna handle the pressure and of course i gave a kind of a standard answer terms. I think they'd be okay and then he was telling me about playing horseshoes out in small community bay roberts their last year he was found out he was pretty good horseshoe thrower and <hes> but anyway they made their way through to the <hes> final or semifinal about sixty four teams and he found he wasn't quite as good a horseshoe thrower anymore and the guy that he was that he was played <hes> with an older gentleman apparently in the seventies and became too when he said large as lane is at all miami's as only pressure of accepting and it was really a good way to look at pressure that it's only pressure except absolutely uh and every river has slowed down from above to every new day had done in by the rising empire has to from social every true hard in the i hope that the a father's love or have we <music> your we played them to me. Roth and rise rise is the rise rise up rise up rise rise rise. I'm from mississippi has an is one of the men they heard was like burgers. Pastel valley's gets as you. We all together mm-hmm. Here's the voice is as we breed. Uh everyone will world not long but it's one thing john this we are is that they fought for this was me oh i pray to god in heaven anti for the name passing swiftly and the time it's better to the moon right up by rise up rise a rise and rise up by bryan rise by zeus by uh rides brian by the the it was the food the italians are the masters of the culinary arts all my i have to say we didn't get as much of an opportunity to experiment or otherwise because we try to keep a fairly mundane menu in front of us but my wife and i managed to escape onto nights and whereas in north with america i think we specialize in fast food. The penarol area of italy specializes in slow food cooking and it's an art and it's something that you should relishing mission enjoy and it's the view and presentation is just a minced the italians several oh we <hes> we had a couple of really really nice meals and they love to go back actually <hes> without the pressure even though we didn't accept it and just <hes> and just i <hes> hang out in general for a little while so you weren't <hes> it wasn't kind of <hes> barracks and and <hes> cafeteria kind of <hes> it wasn't village in the village of all the food in the village was very good <hes> and there was a wide range of us <hes> it was the same thing every day so <hes> it was really funny though actually they they had mcdonald's restaurant there in the early part of the week. There was virtually no one at mcdonald's on the last of it when we went back for the last two or three days. All of the athletes were at mcdonalds. Particularly you know from some of the areas perhaps where they don't get mcdonald's as much like china and can you imagine. Can you imagine though olympic athletes you know that's the first thing they would want to be picking out a during the olympics would be mcdonald's or some such yeah face yeah the last what it was more towards the tail end but they did have mac cafe there as well and they have wonderful office. The italians have great coffee and <hes> so the the mccafe place was was very popular place with a lot of the athletes. That's a i know that food was a bit of an odd question but <hes> you know like i said lucius we just <hes> speak our minds as just thinking of you being there in italy and imagine that must have been a few yummies in there somewhere yeah the <hes> an and didn't get again didn't get much of an opportunity to do it but it did sample a couple of the red wines and very much enjoyed the barolle as they say the italians are very nice group of people very little the english spoken in the area where we were. I would say less than one percent of the people's english english so communication was interested any of the guys <hes> nonni italian <hes> not a bit no so one of our drivers actually spoke no italian and and no excuse me no english and no french <hes> kosovar guys averted by and so we could communicate is as long as somebody new either a little bit of english a little bit of friendship could get along but one of our drivers spoke either so if you wanted to go other than two point eh you had a trouble you hit a problem. He couldn't go for me to be to see a lot of <hes> waving of maps and yeah nephew. This communications halt halter came a good thing you managed to get to the games though yeah we had that all routinely we had a very <hes> established routines three hours for the game we ate and an hour before the game we left to go to the game and so we really really stopped to our taints. Well <hes> probably the two things that spring to my mind that that i'm interested in hearing about would be i guess a little bit of <hes> say brad's background and a little little bit of yours. Maybe maybe we'll start with yours because <hes> i think you're his senior here by a couple of years or something like that thirty. What tell me a little bit about <hes> see newfoundland <hes> to to our listeners. I would say the number one. I'll tell him sport ever in newfoundland would be footballer or like i said before soccer yes <hes> and then maybe next to that <hes> rugby would be and of course our american friends bought it brought us something called soft ball which is an amateur level quite popular in newfoundland and and of course <hes> being part of canada hockey has become a big thing as well but one doesn't necessarily think in terms of newfoundland you don't necessarily curling doesn't doesn't doesn't spring out at you at like i think canada norway sweden sure curling jumps up there with the hockey newfoundland <hes> tell us about how you you yourself as ladd got <hes> started out with this curling thing well i was playing soccer and hockey and basketball volleyball table tennis motor other sports around the goal and enjoyed pretty well everything. I tried buddy of mine. <hes> great was interested in trying curly needed someone to play so we drag me off with my went down down and i think what got me started in curling as that at the saint john's curling club at the time that was his room that was separate from the school boys and no one really checked on too much so we we had kind of a space that we could go to okay so that was not so much to curling was enjoyable as a place where it was yours from the club clubhouse kind of so we'd have cards few who laughs and whatever and anyway i enjoyed the curling and we won the junior championship a couple of years later and into six or seven briars and we won the brier once and went to the mix sort of been around the game forever but actually on the coaching seni- i coached <hes> of the door opener and hockey ocoee for six or seven years and then i was coaching soccer for tend coached or managed four teams going to the nationals and that's why i ended up having actually more coaching credentials in in those two sports than i did in curling until the bright asked me to play and finished off some certification levels got involved there. Brad brad was a very good baseball player and <hes> oh yeah he was <hes> his baseball coach was is not happy when he <hes> when he got into the curling big time he also won the newfoundland shortstop <hes> no i think he was. I think it was i face. Okay okay <hes>. I'm not sure on that but anyway he also was quite a golfer and <hes> really he wanted to land golf. Championship is that right we also. He was newfoundland alan golf champion and curling champion the same year. I wonder how many people though that <hes> he ended up having to give up the opportunity to get a golf scholarship down the stacey was offered a scholarship to the states that he turned down because he really wanted to do <hes> curly wow and mar mark nichols kinesiology museology <hes> major he graduated this year. It looks like it's going back for his masters and he's he's an all around athlete. He's he's just in great shape. Physically cleaned studies knees. Yep okay can ease up mother brown. I i couldn't resist and mike mike adam was a goaltender in a at the provincial level in hockey. <hes> jamie was an all round sportsman played all all sports <hes> and actually jamie was the goaltender for the mount pearl senior soccer team that won the new england championship and <hes> and it went off at the nationals and he again because of course as goaltender we play a tough brian to soccer newfoundland so as bolton scattered smack and he <hes> he felt that he had to give that up to <hes> to pursue the olympic dream that that's interesting as a multi instrumentalist myself. I'm not somebody who just plays the flute or something like that right. Do you think that had something to do with the fact that you guys actually went all the way that <hes> <hes> that breadth and depth from the athletic perspective no question your athletic ability if you if you are a non athletic person and new curl you can reach a certain level but if you're an athletic person and you curl <hes> you're going to do a little bit better. If you you you know if you have especially if you've had some coaching other sports such yep like i found that the team was very cultural notwithstanding the fact that <hes> that they were playing at a very high level level they were all interested in becoming just a little bit better so when we'd have our team meetings which we had regularly team meetings we ran them like a business meeting with an agenda and we'd have thirteen or fourteen things on our agenda one of the things that was on our agenda and was on our agenda from week to week of how do we improve to due to five percent. You couldn't hope to improve twenty percent because they're already at a high level so we're just working on the little tiny things i guess that's what we spent a a lot of times those little tiny things and more a lot of that was interpersonal skills to accept each other's differences and to and to accept a different people can achieve a high level at a discipline in different ways and each other one of the things i heard listening to that <hes> gold medal game was what do you think oh absolutely yet yeah. What do you think we will go up here and do that or we go down there and do that. What do you think yup that went on all the time and russ howard of course he. He's one hundred seven games at the briar. He's one eight hundred seven games. Most people try to get to the brier wants you know and and in manitoba or or statue on you know it's it's fantastic fantastic if he can get to a zone level you know if you get to a provincial level you're great curler and <hes> to represent provinces is is is a real feet but russ russell not only got to the brier but he's one hundred seven games so it was really nice to see a guy like him. <hes> being prepared to defer to brad on certain issues us or for brian to defer to russ on certain issues that was real team much burden and yeah we were talking a little bit before about the whole newfoundland and the and the canadian thing and all that <hes> i was catching some some bad press coming from canada in otherwise in an otherwise <hes> very positive conversation. We're having here <hes>. I was catching some some bad press coming from the canadian side. If you'd like to address oh no question that was true and in one case <hes> after we won the trials <hes> there was a gentleman who wrote an article that was fairly disparaging <hes> and <hes> bride called me up at the office and he said he was on his way into m._t._v. which is a local station to do an interview in relation to responding adding to this article and i said well send me it's we emailed to me and <hes> once i read it i phoned up in tv and i told me wasn't going to be calling and then i phoned up redness at bryant. You don't have to respond to that though i said that's not about us. I said this is disparaging. Comment about all newfoundland and labrador. There's ten thousand newfoundlanders are gonna come to your come to your aid on that and sure enough they did and we couldn't allow ourselves to be distracted by those naysayers and we didn't allow to havoc it just because somebody says something negative <hes> doesn't mean that you should either even give them the time of day. I mean by giving them the time of day. Hey you're elevating them and that opinion might have some meaning. <hes> you know <hes> related at sometimes you're dealing with people in some of these really negative negative negative person and suddenly everyone is listening and in their name bantered about nights as well as far as i'm concerned. Ignore them and let them go back to wherever they came from. If somebody came up and made positive objective critical <hes> comment that had some ten years had some had some credence then you would say okay fine yeah that's that's fair comment and if it was a fair comment in something that you could do something about and we tried to do it but if it was just somebody voicing their opinion or or saying something negative or something that was not positive. I don't think that you can focus on it at all. I think that the easiest thing or not the easiest thing the best thing to do in terms of not allowing it to distract you from your course of action was to just simply. Put it aside and go out and approved them anything anything. Just prove to yourself that you could do with the way that you felt that you had to do it and that's what we did. We stayed on focus all the time and just didn't allow those things getting our way and i think that's the same with with music. I think it's the <hes> you know i think generally speaking most moving flanders a very positive i think right at the moment newfoundlanders really feel positive about themselves and direction at that we're going right. Now is good and i think positively breeds positively. Absolutely it's almost an exact century since we've we've been as positive as things seem to be shaping up back in the early two you don't just after the turn of the century in the early nineteen hundreds i mean we sent the newfoundland regiment off. We were the first colony to round up the volunteers that winton ultimately were sent to their demise by general haig. Don't waste any good british blood. Send in the newfoundlanders all that stuff there was a great spirit of self determination and and the pride that false pride like you said that at that show anybody else anything just just to show ourselves the i think we have to show it in doing yup. That's right ah well you did. It yeah turned on all right yeah well toby mcdonald. You're you're a true champion and i'm proud to say that <hes> as a fellow galanter i know you and you and the and the lads made them an awful lot of people very very proud and happy to be newfoundlanders and canadians and before i like to thank you very much for coming in here and and giving of your time and before we go maybe there's a particular little piece of music that <hes> might have some sort of significance sir that we might be able to play for listeners well. I understand that <hes> though i didn't see it myself because we were at the game not hearing what was being claimed that <hes> fields of gold might have been plagued by c._b._c. and if you had that that would be just wonderful i do infect somebody emailed me when you guys were talking to <music> sheila rogers and they played my versions of field version of feels a gold right after the interview really good. Thanks a million toby. Thanks thanks jim very much for having the best buy <music> and when i win as we were yeah it is <hes> <music> wilbur as in so when you kiss ohio brown says there bro us way he's sir <music>. It is the and the children s in some way <music> <music> <music> a root cellar production.

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Newfoundland stores reopen

The Current

03:08 min | 11 months ago

Newfoundland stores reopen

"This is a CBC podcast. Matt Galloway. This is a podcast January anuary twenty second edition of the current. The snow is still deep in Newfoundland people in Saint. John's just had a few hours yesterday to get the food in medication they needed. That's when the city temporarily allowed some stores to open up so that people could stock up. Most businesses ordered closed since early Friday. You may have seen. Some of the pictures is online of the lineups at grocery stores all the way through the parking lot and out onto the street even down city streets and the CB's Terry Roberts who's in the midst of it all if anybody. Anybody needs to go just to the pharmacy. He could let me know Josina firms the firms get more things. The judge is only for the pharmacy only like unless as emergency life. Welcome to backfire is been crazy busy here here but we're able to help out the community in a time of great need power people behaving excellent ex- didn't ask for better better customers smooth here today Eh. Good good excellent well stock was the story very well stocked. Well we can't do it in Concord Pasta and got all the frozen food when he got all the dairy stare at all the chips and then I got all the like vegetables and Mac and cheese accessible. Everybody's looking for the rations. Snow brand pretty quick. There is I would say there's a little bit of tension in the story. I heard a lot of love. Your mandatory came into the parking lot and was people lined ended up on both sides everywhere and trying to get down to the coolers. Get me it was like nothing else. I mean you had state or you can push. You couldn't move eating US had stayed behind. Wait I've got your turn to get your hands into the cooler. The pull out something right so I mean basically I didn't use your grab and go like wherever you can get or what have you can grab. Have you still packing lunches. Put your hand and get door. I would take the cart and she would grab selfish and just put it in the car in. We got got no one line up. We thought it was the one lineup but it was just for one cash and never dispersed her good. Did you get everything you need. Yes yes everything we needed today. And what's your state of mind. I'm so tired I just need to go home. Go to sleep now of you in coping on just coping. I got my my my firm babies and really pretty comfortable and we're so who your food or do you have enough food now to keep you going. Yep Yep can make sure I don't get blind at the more all I want to get online Melotsky's Basel all you hear in the background is that beep beep beep beep beep beep of the scanner there. Some of the voices of shoppers trying to stock up after the storm in Saint John's we have some photos from the grocery stores as well as a wild time lapse of very very long line. He can find that on twitter her at the current C._B._C.. For More C._B._C.. PODCASTS GO TO C._B._C. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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Introducing: The Passenger with Hugh Acheson

Parklandia

01:47 min | 9 months ago

Introducing: The Passenger with Hugh Acheson

"I'm Jason I'm a chef restaurant. Her a traveler. And now I'm the host of the passenger from iheartradio travel a lot for word in being shaft people. Ask me all the time. What's that list of places to go in this city in that city? Where's a good coffee shop? What's a good museum? So I've always doodles and created lists and this show is dedicated to that idea from yourself in that culture and finding out what's intriguing about that place and what resounds and where they add and what we think about the future of that place as a visitor as a passenger. We'll get to know Havana though. Go Island Newfoundland Montreal Austin Toronto. The West village of New York Lisbon or Porto. We'll even find out what makes Boise Idaho an international city. I'll give you my take and then we'll hear from folks who were from there. Give us a more complete pitcher. I always miss something one of the key things that I don't think anyone really puts pieces together. Is the link between creativity and cheap rent it as a society that can get by with nothing. And that's why you should go there in a lot of ways because despite every hurdle in front of them every day these are people who are innately culture is nothing more than a response to a place. We want it to put place and community back in the center of life. The first season the passenger February twenty seven subscribe on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast.

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#36 Greg Jackman K7 PE Teacher BrianVee Whywework

WhyWeWork BrianVee

1:01:18 hr | 2 months ago

#36 Greg Jackman K7 PE Teacher BrianVee Whywework

"Welcome to why we work with your host Brian Veep as he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations struggles joys. Seemingly. Missteps. Colds. Warnings. And Advice. which would be an encouragement to us all to get up. Get going. And keep on working. Working stopped. Working. His. Now here's your host to why we work. Trying. On I'm and this is why would work today I have the great pleasure speaking to Mr Greg, Jackson, physical, education teacher out of Newfoundland Canada I. Met him many years ago and he was a kind man then and I'm pretty sure he's a kind man now. So what I would like to find out is where his motivation came from as he got into physical education but also what he does when life pushes us off course when we lose people when work doesn't go the way, we think it should and how does he get back on course in stay motivated to teach the kids that teachers join me. In this conversation with Mr Gregg Jackman. I'm Brian V., and this is why we work today. I have the great pleasure of speaking to Mr Gregg Jackman. Good Day. Fine. Sir. Anybody, how are you? I'm doing well, you and I have had a chat for the last little bit and I enjoyed it immensely going down memory lane all the way back to our acadia years. Would you be able to give us a little idea of what you're doing now and then we'll circle back to that later. Sure I'm currently employed in Newfoundland and Labrador province in Canada as a physical education specialist or as People Jim Teacher. that's my primary Gig. Today, we go back to work tomorrow with kids in the building and as I mentioned I've just take on side Gig as a fitness trainer. So let days teaching phys Ed and fitness two kids in my evenings with adults. It it's almost like. Batman or Spiderman someone by day I, do this by night I do this but you're doing the same. You must love it great. Can you bring us back to what would have been or what was your very first job and how old Rio? Well, I mentioned cheated a little bit because I do follow your podcast. So I do I was prepared for some of this young. Diverse work of is ever introduced to with my dad, my grandfather like just. Labor work around the yard a from a very young age open caught and stove firewood for the winter or. fairly young age responsible for mowing lines which French Tory. Sorry. Great in. Like things like this, I don't want to gloss over as I say. Because those are really good ways of learning work. With family piling piling wood. Splitting. Wood piling would get in the would out in the wintertime Gauguin log and put it on the fire. Those are great things that some maybe even as a teacher, you can see that some. Parents or guardians or people that are in these children's lives are not giving them those little responsibilities that actually are great foundation into work. Completely I'd agree with that one, hundred percent one of my favorite pictures. Of Myself is with my grandfather goes very close with and it's a picture somebody chose to snap on probably fifteen years and we're both decker coveralls and just leaning against via would wear out to a chainsaw to and as one of my favorite pictures. But now it's faded picture because. That's what we spent. A lot of time doing was working the other from a pretty young age like I think parents should be encouraging work ethic. Quite a bit more actually admire my sister. She's got two boys and and she's in instilling that name. But on the flip side of that I, sometimes think back that I might have we given a little bit of. For such protective parents they gave me a little quite a bit of leeway in the work force. Now with the work ahead, me doing the machinery us with with snl always supervised. I guess on has working hard. No do so you were saying after piling wood and stuff for your grandfather in your dad you got into what was it? So in that spirit once I was were you know trusted enough to operate line and stuff I was responsible for the vast properties that my grandparents lived in neighboring yard owes large properties not I was I was on task of lawn maintenance, pretty much to myself Alzheimer Line, and then that evolved in my small on from community both thought hundred people and I became the neighborhoods lawnmower. On Boeing Pretty Mancha and made a few dollars for myself here and they're doing that. The first thing what was your motivation Greg is just because your grandfather's okay. That's the friend of the. You know it's a small town that's a friend. They're just asking you. So you you feel obligated to do that or did you have a? More deeper motivation of getting out there and working. I've never really been driven by money. Though I do recall enjoying getting paid. Obviously. But I don't know if I ever really thought about that but you might just planned to dance or for me actually. I think I felt like it was Kinda my duty in that little town there was only a handful of. You know young adults. Like literally I, went to a two room schoolhouse for kindergarten one two. Before I got shipped off to the big town clarence for school and like when I went to kindergarten, they're only five of us. You know what I mean. So each age group was pretty limited. Sadly not everybody does have. That motivation I think I felt like my responsibility. Now, I also had a little bit of insight into getting Nolato sold because another job that I did have through high school I delivered wake weekly newspaper that came out from flammable. So dead and I did that together, my Montana five hundred was stretched over a few miles. So Dad would run Miranda's pickup truck Tuesday evenings before we went to hockey practice than I'd be run by People's bridges their door with your paper and it wasn't flinging on the door knock on the door and have a chat with the little old lady inside. Dodge onto the next person dad and I had that down to a science to fit it in before hockey. But decade meaning into getting the no families right and some of the elderly people who needed lawns and everything else. You don't hear that Greg you don't hear that much with people in their jobs I had hayward delivery room and I got fired and I certainly was checking when I did chuck it not stopping and talking maybe there's a conversation or two but not to the point where you made it within your time, it was a planned scheduled event knowing that you're going to have to talk to Mrs Jones or not. But also what was good is your insight. And I think that should be praised to where having people who see need especially at a young age seeing need that okay. Your grandfather needs his law more long mode and then the other neighbor because there is only a couple of people your age around to have the insight to know that there is a need and you're the one to meet it and I. Think, that should also be lifted up to for kids to take it upon themselves to see you know some simple things like there's a piece of garbage on the ground. Well, are you gonNA walk literally walk over it not to hit it in, avoid it or you actually GonNa pick it up. Is there someone in your neighborhood who has a need that you can? Use Your energy know-how and fill that need for them. Yeah I think you're right. It's sad. Now I'm two hours away from that community by highway driving. Mom is, still, there. And there are no young people to fill the Now, there's not as there's even fewer young people in that community now but of the young people that are there is no. I don't know if there's no drive amongst the young people that are there no sense community to fill the role or where what what missing link is but. If she needs work on, either have to take some time in the weekend do or we have defined an adult living at home on employed you know do a covert or whatever right now and and try to them to do some work on the side for Lake there's no getting a kid and throwing them twenty or fifty bucks. You know to. To support them and to keep that sense of community, there is at the same I'm like that guy. That at least in that town it is. It's pretty unfortunate I think. There are some kids peppered about. And those are the ones that though in twenty years have a story to say that I was the one that met that need but it's so hard especially when you're looking for them. So as you you know went through hockey and you're doing your paper delivery or any other jobs that you had up through middle school in high. School. Outside of the family lab, not a lot. My grandfather was overseas for the Second World War and brought home a war. So Dan was through veterans affairs they were allotted an allowance to pay people. So it tickled Dan pink the she could rice rate checks for work that I went. Nuts did now don't get me wrong it was never on the. Always on the up and. I punched the hours but she took a great deal prime menial do that. So a lot of my work was exactly what I'm described. Around Sixteen, I got a job at the local you pick strawberry farm ding. Vast fields of strawberries and I only lasted two days and is not due to my work ethic. The of always wondered. If I actually got fired and I never did officially get fired. I just never got called back. I think I was too meticulous leader like I think I think take everything out of this giant field when they were looking for somebody to just bang through clear out the majority. So I think I, was a little bit too meticulous to. And the the last summer a high school. I started pumping gas and I did that then for summers through pump gas on last summer high school on through. University. And two summers. In during High School I. I guess they had a minnows though she to like government grants for student jobs, eight different things, and some of them might have been cleaning up a small neighborhood lake mine like may work, make work. Project I landed a GIG working to cash at a local art store. which was pretty cool because all the tourists that went through the province for dropping into this place. You know again, being pretty talkative guy. I got the chat with tourists that rolled through on a thing. So Greg knowing that you're in fitness now as a teacher and doing something else where did this desire come from 'cause as you and I both went to Acadia where did the desire come from where you decided to go to Acadia intake? What you took? So the Acadia thing was a decision based on my small town syndrome all say grown up around the bay. Newfoundland I guess I kinda got brainwashed into I wasn't going to the big city of Saint John's which if you've been missing jazz, it's a big city but that was the mentality was that I didn't WanNa go too big to a big town being city. So I looked for small small town universities. So I think the only places I applied side of memorial. University. Was the Katya insane affects. So that's how I ended up at Acadia. now I live in Saint John's I absolutely love this city every day, I. Love it more. The drive to go down to phys Ed Rupert. From plan book at home. Schooled as books that my parents add by I, switched my dream job from NHL Hockey player to phys ed teacher in Grade Eight. So I don't know why it was. If it was just you know your typical young boys using such a problem. As, full as. You have three of those dogs. What kind of dogs are they? They're huge centers they are huge. They're big. They're good dogs. I. Got my first center. I grew up with setters actually but Gordon setters and I got my first center actually last year at Acadia. And a ultimately fourteen years ago my wife and I met at a dog actually. She showed up with a golden retriever I had an Irish setter. We loved that Golden Retriever on the day she died just a couple years ago bought connor one Cathy's heart is now now we have three centers. So Greg, you mentioned your dream of playing in the NHL that reminded me you played at Acadian the cheating cop was at. Dave of Flint highs of that. Yeah. That was great times at Acadia. Yeah. I wouldn't take back day and Katie and beyond Katie University Wolfville Nova Scotia that we're referring to. So from your acceptance to Acadia your your drive was consistently be a physical education teacher. Pretty much I mean wavered a little bit. You know you would. You would hear chatter from teachers There's a lot of teachers in my family. My Dad was teacher in principal He never discouraged me from doing it although strangely he did discourage my sister from doing it. She's also teacher now to. Hear the rumblings of you know think lying in her think twice about going into the education system. So I can't say in my plan never wavered but not significantly like just I. Think the typical dote that lots of people have like I. Right Path here am I doing the right thing now with that said when I finished my bachelor education. I. Went M. I. Pigeon Holing Myself here like there's one phys ed teacher at best in every school. So am I going to get in with this? So I stayed at the Katya actually ended a primary elementary classroom degree as well. And that did open up doors for the first few years of teaching in Nova Scotia. Land. Term Replacement contracts thanks for teachers that were off. So before we get into the what you're doing in in that. Chapter of your journey, you mentioned discouragment. Along the way in terms of work did you ever find in this isn't to dive into you but more. So for listeners to understand the path of people take is not always linear. Did you experience discouragment in? From pumping gas days into being educated and taking the courses that you're taking until you receive your first full time job. Did you experience discouragement and uncertainty as to what you were doing? Was the right path for you Yeah there's there's no doubt that I did I think most of my discouragement came post degrees. The struggle to find work as a teacher is real. It's disheartening because most people who go into the teaching profession. Do have a passion to do it. And they're very eager to do it. And I know people who have been substitute teaching literally for fifteen years and had had never even had a short term replacement. So who's a bit trying early on a actually it was the repeated. Maybe, not rejection but letdown of of the education system as far as getting my foot in the door. But then having the door slammed on my foot is what drove me home Newfoundland's so so were you trying outside of news? Newfoundland is well. While after I finish the Katie ice I stayed in coach I was I was teaching in Nova, Scotia for the first four years my career. Okay. But it was all like it was all term term work like. One. Year interviews the other day something popped up about you know. GOING IN AT and presenting yourself to people. So the first day that I was eligible first administrative day school opening before students eligible with a teaching certificate I walked into the brand new high school in the Annapolis Nova. Scotia. To shake hands in hand over my resume and tell them I was up for anything and before I left a while they said, are you willing to solve as a teacher? Obviously? Yes. Are you willing to solve as a student assistant working on students? Sure. I'll do anything and before I left I had already had four days book. I like my I had four days. So I'm lacking for doors this billy cloud nine, this is going to be easy. And, all of a sudden vice principal runs out the door behind me and he said actually there's a forty percent. Core French physician. Would you be interested. And I said I'm interested. But my French is fairly limited to about first year university and he said believer ut Chit or I teach at I'm not teaching it. He said bringing your resume. We'll see what we can do and that's how I landed my first Gig. So to be honest with you Brian, there have been bumps in the road that have discouraged me thought. To Be Honest I. Think I've been one of the luckier ones. I've maybe even semi charmed things have gone well for made not everything has gone well for me. I probably had my dream job set up about three years later teaching kate five visit Kingston, and my administration had full intentions that have me back and. Just. People pulling strings other people brought that crashing down around me, and that's when I decided to come home actually. So when you receive the job you have now how long ago was that? Thirteen years ago I. landed. A grade seven classroom position in a rural community Newfoundland. My Wife's hometown actually. and. I did that for a year very next year the physics teacher in the neighboring community school retired and I moved into that. And my wife and I were both teaching at that small girls school for four years and. Here. In Newfoundland rural schools are under the threat of closing just due to low numbers, low population in the economics of it, and they had threatened to close that school. And we didn't. We wouldn't have been at work, but we didn't know where they would bump us to that was the uncertainty. So we chose to make a decision in our best interests and as much as broke our hearts. We picked up a move to the city. And I've been in this school as Phys Ed teacher. This is my ninth year now, but in this position having a contract with the school board is thirteen years now. So what are you doing in a week? I mean covert has put a twist on most people's position nowadays, but would as a physical education teacher what is required of you? What do you do? How do you plan? What does a typical week look like for you? To be honest with you people would be very surprised. Have busy. Their gym teacher is planning has become well, I in typical year, planning has become. Pretty Standard and easing for me now because there's a routine to it, obviously, you're keeping things fresh new for kids but there is a routine to now with Cova that throws a whole new level of planning in because I constantly now have to be prepared for the threat of everyone being sent home and going online. But? It's a busy day. I. I tend to give up any in all of my spare time I ron any activities I can during a fifteen minute recess break around lunchtime activities for kids and I run after school programming to which sadly, all of this guy bashed right now because of covid. but it's a busy day on Medicaid, a seven slow I. I'm bringing the man and teaching them the very fundamental movement skills and a lot of cases all the way to in the blossoming careers of young global athletes. I guess he has to say, are you getting into sports as well or you helping only? Are you a coach yourself? Yeah. When I. Guess if I were say specialized in sport I, do volleyball for the. Main sport that I take after school and I organized coaches in an antidote track and field cross country. List will probably go as by memory may but you know I helped coordinate other coaches and bring volunteers into the building. Most of the core coaching platform is done by myself. A few other teachers and any stable of. Volunteers I can I can bring on board. and on top of that, that's the sports side of it. But there's a few teachers of that. Run A committee we petition for grant money from the government every year, and we're on a very extensive actually has a pretty extensive, very expensive recreational program through the year two and we do it in blocks throughout the year. I'd hold up against any action programming. I'll only go so I say in the province, but I'd I'd put it up against a lot of other than we're taking. We're taking kids orienteering in snowshoeing, and swimming, and cross country skiing, and curling, and all the traditional sports of basketball volleyball. Floor Hockey. You name it. We're exposing kids to we we either bring in specialists to do it on our on site or we use the funding the bus amount to two other films to encourage you greg here in. Korea. Dodge balls big. They I find that they don't expose children in Korea you either are going to be an athlete or you're not. If you're not, there's very little use for sports they have a gym class. But I do not think they expose kids to as many sports as they should be doing. So Dodge ball is big and other smaller games like that or soccer. Right. So so what you're saying, especially, Canada right and you have. You know the Max of the four, seasons. So you're you're able to use an experiment with all of those sports that you know if you're down in Florida or something, you can't hockey's not so big in curling has no showing doesn't exist. So it's really it's commendable to take that upon because those are great experiences like if there's other especially kids if they're finding, they're not academically inclined. I really enjoy going by gym class with Yester- Jackman. What do you find? Greg is most difficult about your job. That's a really good question. I mean it could be with the students and yeah I was GONNA. Say just before that. Maybe we'll. We'll go back. How have you found in your young life in thinking the last fourteen years? How? Kids attitude towards. Athletics or activity has changed because when we were younger. And you speaking about being in a in a two room house or to school was Iran's school has two room schoolhouse. The is to be outside and play until it was dinner time or go go help do something until dinnertime and time to commit not all but the majority now with technology cell phones. Internet and all of that stuff there's a pull away from that. So how do you find even from your own life when first got into education kids view of being active and even physically how are they managing with all of the sports you're doing? I would say in my gym. Well I pride myself on an ability to build rapport with kids of all ages you don't see kids. Choosing or wanting to sit oh MR jackets design class. It's almost unheard of and it has been that way since I first started. to be honest with you even like when I started solving like to go in as a phys Ed Sullivan Junior high, which is a Dangerous Place to be, and somehow I was able to get the kids who notoriously sat on stage. I was able to get them up moving. So. In my gym. It doesn't I. Don't think it's changed much at all. A part of me but maybe it's the curmudgeon in me wants to say that has changed a lot in society but I don't know if that's true. There's still lots of kids banging around like I did. In all, there's a family that they've all moved on. They had four kids and I ran into one day downtown at like a concert facility or something and I was talking to the mom and I was like, where are the kids and she's like well, two of them were down there watching the concert two of them are up in that tree and you know what I mean like there. There are people still kind of active in just slain. And when we were kids, let's be honest. There were people who were not play on. You and I did. But not everybody is. So would you say that that is commendable to your teaching ethic here teaching practice or is that? We're. Society's saying all kids nowadays that we're just getting older and we hear more of that of what maybe our kids would parents would have said. I think we do do that. I think we're prone to saying that the the young I think every generation says that the younger generation is not what they were. And in some cases that's going to be true. Because things get shed from society and things get shed from people's desire. But the next generation also finds new better things to be a part of or new better things to involve themselves in now don't get me wrong. My passionate is people being active. My Passion is the outdoors to be honest with you. So when I see like my neighborhood, kids are very outdoorsy and it warms my heart to see it. That's probably why a lot of our actual recreational program. Doors. But I think people deserve more credit than some highs we give them I think a lot of people are shouldn't wore people be active one hundred percent and not to get ahead of you. But we mentioned earlier that now I've just recently taken on a role i. got you know asked, would you I started training at a local gym three years of Illinois recently start coaching there. And I decided I wanted to for the same reason I wanna be leader in that arm. That, if if more of these adults have been given more. Attention in the phys ed part of their schooling. They'd be a lot more comfortable in the gym that I'm seeing. It's funny from my question it seems like the problem isn't the kids. The problem is the adults. I I've wondered since the day we got sent home from school, for Colon. I wonder how many families are not gonNA go back to scheduling every minute of their days because. Scheduling. Hugely important it. It creates structure. It sets the precedent for responsibility in punctuality and everything else. But children and adults alike. Need. To take time to step away and be last in, wander lost for lack of better term like you know to go into nature, go into your local park and stroll around admire something as simple as the ducks in the in the pond. It doesn't have to be high intensity exercise to be. Beneficial to your physical wealth moon eating you. Right. So you know. And good impression. Give back to the point of the scheduling. A lot of families here anyway were very. Open about sharing that. Wow, I. Love this newfound downtime with my family. We get to play together or we get to pretend in or you know or go for a hike or bike ride. Blake sales in Saint John's rough the church this summer. Interesting. Are they going to hold onto that or as soon as everything gets up and Ronan? Are they going over scheduled themselves again not just their kids your over scheduling their families in my opinion you know what? I mean like do each their own you do what you want you you. Know as long as you're not brain harmed somebody, I'm a firm believer in doing what you what is for you wait for your family. But it just again, it warms my heart to see families so. Proud ecstatic of their recreational time together. I hope they hold onto it. When time homes why I think it takes people like you also to. Maybe. Journal. Record. What you're doing now and I also commend you on your. Your mental health. Awareness by doing your push ups and you got me to do IT A. Thanks for joining but you're doing it in a way that sheds a story on. Different aspects of life and helping bring awareness to mental health. But also what you're saying here is with being keeping people physically active into maybe even journal this to record it in remind people later on down the road of all the benefits that we experienced back in twenty twenty or however long this goes because we are people who. Are Prone to forget. Yet like we'll get stuck back into that scheduling, we'll okay, we gotta do this gotTa do this hurry up a member in twenty twenty when you and your family just went for a walk in the woods for three hours and you brought a little picnic basket and how much in that was in it didn't hurt any of your scheduling. Exact. So to to I would think that this would be something that is good for anyone to do ourselves included is to remind ourselves into remind other people. That we don't need to be so rigid. It's good to have scheduling. But to take some of that and schedule some free time in some family time and individual time as well. One, hundred percent. So. So Greg, thinking of the kids who may be a better off than the adults. And in your job in your work, what is difficult for you? What is the most difficult thing that you come across? Brian I I feel spoiled in saying that I don't encounter a lot of difficulty in my job like I say kids are cooperative for the most. I. Guess if anything, the difficult part is keeping things fresh for. Gene mean. To go back to the younger generation but you know we are competing with all the technology that they're surrounded with. You don't want any programming whether you're teaching math or language or you know science or or visit. You don't want to kind of start resting on your laurels and is just predictable what you're doing year to year. So I guess one challenge is keeping things probably my biggest challenge is keeping things fresh forgives real. You mentioned to me earlier before we recorded that you were doing some new programs how do you stay fresh? What is it? You look to for some inspiration? What where do you find some new programs or? How do you phys Ed Teachers. Other phys ED teachers are are easily my best resource. And I mentioned earlier that that has expanded now thankfully Dudakovic it's Kinda weird I I. I have felt guilty saying this to people because I know the. Sincerely, no, the tragedy that people have in through during Calvin from job loss to In a home that is struggling table worries dealing with abuse within that home to Lhasa family members through or other extenuating things. A strangely, the whole pandemic experience has has been a bit of a blessing for me. So I guess what I'm getting at is. I've reached out to a lot more people. During the I've been forced to my hands are tied. I couldn't meet colleagues locally. So, what did I end up doing I ended up meeting brand new colleagues all around the world. So for example, as as teachers in China were starting to rant back into their system, we were just a sliding into the pit of what was brand in North America. So we were trying to get our heads around how are we going to deal with this online learning thing big booty man. I was connected when teachers in China, who were coming Commodore Auden. To loop back, answer your question I. Guess My best resource for keeping the expression new our teachers. So you're do that working. Or. Online and and I think you mentioned earlier as well podcasting listening Jim. Professionals listening to yeah. There's a few really strong is at teachers that deliver through podcasting There's a few very strong leaders of several internationally that have put together. A webinar series of webinars. Guy, who teaches at the? British Columbia Nathan Horn he just did like A. PHYS ED summer camp. So it was just a series of webinars from different PHYS ED teachers around the world. Throughout the summer to stay on top of your game getting ready to go back in. December. So for anyone that looking into becoming physical education teacher, do you have the freedom within a school year? To teach ever sport you would like or is that dictated to you by the province in the curriculum that they give you? A dictator curriculum you can be as creative as you want and filling that curriculum. Do you know what I mean? So there are suggestions in in the curriculum as to how you can. You, can achieve different outcomes. But there's nothing holding you to their suggestions. They're just at suggestions. So you know, you explore different sports from around the world or sports from the history of an indigenous population at times or your traditional ords everybody sees. On NBC Olympic broadcasts like. There's room in the curriculum for the children to invent games so. There's lots of opportunity to change things for kids. That's encouraging to know. Greg what brings you satisfaction even though there's not much difficulty. But what what might bring you the most satisfaction in your work as a physical education teacher That light bulb moment for a child that they can do something that they didn't think they. And to be honest. I get to see it a lot in phys ed a really do people don't realize what they're capable of physically a Lotta people of all ages. Are Very out of touch with what they're able to do with the miracle of the body that they own. And children come in with those walls up early. At. I can't attitude urine K. through seven. So you're really at that developmental. Barry. Marija. I. Mean. You know you can get a kindergarten who is amazed that. They jumped off in a foot high structure and stuck landing on on a gymnast in Jim Jim Matt fishing gymnastics ravine, and they're amazed. Literally Ryan everything. And you know that kid who comes to you and says, I can't I can't shoot baskets because I'm too small and somewhere along the way whether through themselves or through things they've seen in the media or through a friend or family member they've been convinced or convinced themselves that they're too small, shoot a basket and you give them the skills to do it. and. Dave Concord's something magical when when they accomplish it and that's pretty much daily routine for me to be honest. It reminds me of my my daughter's French. Immersion teacher. I, asked her, why do you do what you do I go I teach you know great three, four five and how do you teaches one two? Issues because I can I can start the beginning of the year knowing they can't read. In at the end of the year, the reading, and that's huge. Thank you from being able to not hold a ball to be able to put it through a net or you know so scared jump off a plank onto a mat. Those are those are for adults. I not for all but generally speaking like just you know just do it. You know we know it. But for a kid that's huge is very big in in their confidence. Immensely. Greg are I think? So you you mentioned something earlier about wanting people to understand. But what would there be that maybe parents administration just on the outside don't understand about your job that you would like them to understand. Immense value of it. I think if you, we could scour pop culture for all the disparaging jokes. At, the Feet of a phys ed teacher. ed all people all walks of life. All careers are the end of a joke. But people really don't realize. The vast accomplishments inside a gymnasium to be honest obviously like in any occupation career or workspace there are some people who are doing a better job than others and making it a better experience for the people in front of them. But. Again, I stand by the fact that the vast majority of teachers are there because that's what they want to do is affect lives in a positive way and people don't realize the power of gymnasium people understand the Fawn of gymnasium but they don't understand the power of Wackos on there like the sense of accomplishment the sense of confidence that can be build the cooperation skills that are developed in Jim. the sense of self worth that can be found in gym like. The fitness. The fitness per se is. I almost want to say an afterthought. Now again, things change. Once you get into the junior high and high school ages. But really, I'm looking to make people while I mean you know one of new phrases that's been around for quite a few years visit as physical literacy. Competence with your body. and. Once you provide somebody with competence with their body changes. Everything you know developing spatial awareness leads to better drivers on our roads. When you think about it. Being able to perform, and this is not a great example from the primary age group being able to perform a squad. It ensures your ability to get a chair as you grow older. It all comes back to how well we can use your bodies. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a lover of academics as well, and those are things that you undoubtedly carry through till your old age. But physical competency is is. Using your body all day every day other than when you're lying in bed. So I think those long way we I think we accomplish a lot in visit program. We asked. No, you're right. It's it's something people should understand and I think a lot of people do if they take a step back and get rid of whatever you're saying that the comments or whatever. Yeah. But it's I think back in some of my greatest times were in gym class and I remember all my. Pat Hanna Berry just great teachers that you know. You could even trust you can. You can go to for advice outside of gym class just people even now I still know. My Gym Teachers, there are great all along the way. Greg if someone's wanting to get into being a teacher in general, a physical education teacher in particular what advice and maybe they're looking back and maybe they're one of those kids that are mowing lawns in their neighborhood or pumping gas in their local gas station but looking at their career path or even someone that took a different degree in they're looking at changing their career into teaching. What advice would you have for them? First, off the shore you WanNa do it. To be honest and that goes for any part of the education system It's not glamorous walls of school you are a Rockstar is child. But it's not a glamorous job by any stretch. So, make sure you want to be a teacher before. That before you start your path but as you're on the journey check in with yourself on a thing I, I mentioned earlier I watch somebody sent a video my way today actually that spoke about that. That I gut feeling you get of being a teacher and I believe that's true like I said earlier I don't recall any lightbulb moment. But. I. Just at some point in life I just knew is what I would end up doing. Experience that you can gain fairly easily volunteering. You can you can easily go not easily I shouldn't say that, but you can easily relatively easily go and get trained and coach in different sporting events. You can take that into this morning world, which gives you experience working with children and delivering. WHETHER BE DRILLS OR ORGANIZING PRACTICES OR WHATEVER Yeah, I would say volunteering at a very young age would be would be a big part of it. And started dabbling in it at a young age like. Wha Job that I didn't get as young person that I really water program and it. was very discouraged that I didn't get that job because I'm new even as Eddie, my teenage years I wide and believed US meant to do. But. Get on board the programs of the young age to to expose yourself. Another job I had mentioned earlier that I took a lot of pride in and headed big part in fall through on the education visit thing I traveled to the states for two summers and tied in towards cans down there. There's lots of opportunities I don't think there's anything. Beyond. The. Fact of, having to achieve. Your education. Tobacco whether it's teaching. A Hammer live or university degree or whatever you have to get in that regard. I think the other thing is experienced because the experience will go back to the first thing I said the experience working with children will tell you if it's something you WanNa do. Beyond shown new even even what you said about not getting that job if you find, you have some opera what you believe is an opportunity in it doesn't present itself at that time but the desire to still do it in the drive to keep going despite that setback. Media indicator that this path may be the right one for you. Hundred percent yeah because you said. Yes. But like you said. You'RE GONNA. Hit bumps in the road. Things are not gonna go like I mentioned things have gone pretty smoothly for me. That doesn't mean things of gossip flawlessly for him. You know you you don't take your way into a career it's just not going to happen. Bumps in Rhode teach you lessons if you're looking for them and like you just said they they, it's a gut check for yourself as to whether or not it really is something you want. There's no the. Is there go ahead Greg. August obviously reiterate getting yourself theory is is is paramount if you ask me and not because you're going to become well known. Leading you to a job or a career necessarily it made but more I think it's more A. Year so that you find out more about you is you concern only skills for a future career very early in life? If you are self reflective and if you're asking questions. Like. Is there's a lot you can do at a young age just by exposing yourself to things. Greg on that same line. Do you have any advice for people? Regardless of the type of work, but that may be discouraged. Uncertain of their career path they might find themselves in a job they dislike or they might have management that they're not fond of mom and you know they're wanting to try something new or they just need a reminder of the initial motivation that brought them on this path because we do. As we mentioned earlier, we get discouraged you know things happen you and I were speaking. People in our lives we lose them. Right and then You know a whole different day is presented before us or things with Kovin and stuff like that, and there's lots of bumps in the road, the discourage US or US off. Do you have any advice for people. In their work or in their journey with work. I. Think There's lots of things you can do. If you're faced with that discouragement or adversity. It it probably does depend on your personal circumstances who you're surrounded by. Patients is a big thing if you do become discouraged in any facet of life or relationships or whatever else I think people need to develop a greater sense of patients to see things through. There are peaks and valleys in everything. We do you know every day is not as. The previous one. Innocent likely not going to be as dark as the one you might be living space. But patients would be a big thing. I say self talk if you're not surrounded by people who you can turn to. To you know to check in with yourself has to wear your discouragment may lie or watt things you can do to change your situation. And if if you're lucky enough to be surrounded by people who don't have to have all the answers but COMPLA- sounding board for you to share your ideas with. I think that's vastly important I. Know I think guilty over the years of maybe losing touch with people who would have provided wonderful voice I haven't talked to you I think we calculated at twenty one years or something and you gave me good advice this evening. So keeping people in your life. They don't have to be immediately close to you but people that you can talk to so that when you run into those moments of discouragement Not that they necessarily can give pep and set everything straight. But like I said they be you're sounding wars. Evan people to be you're sounding word is is invaluable. Absolutely. Invaluable. I'm fortunate enough that my wife is that person in my life. Not that there aren't others but she is my primary one. Sense of grounding to everything I do But Yeah I think turning other people turning inward for yourself in land self reflection. And being patient. Greg speaking of other people how could people reach you if they wanted to talk to you but maybe there's some people there on the rock that WanNa get into education or. You can I can share you email address i. got a twitter handle Mr. G. J seventy, seven on on twitter. I'm a bit of a hit myspace booker, but that's always a possibility. But yet if there's anybody who ever. Wanted to some. Or Or connections made maybe on might be able to help somebody somewhere the road never know. Greg had how do you rest? So you're physically active person but how do you rest from your work? How do you separate yourself? What is it you do? As never been a challenge for me Brian I don't know why but I have always described myself as a hobbyist. A love. Recreational ventures. so I may come home exhausted at the end of the day. And I'll low Michael. Act into the back of my truck and go float around upon for an hour and I might not be paddling very hard because I might be pretty tired but I'll paddle every year I. No one spot on a local lake where eagles coming every year and that's one of my favorite things to do to relax is to go from a distance just sit and watch those eagles as they raise to eaglets all shears. I sleep very well, I don't have much trouble sleeping. My wife and I like to share a Lotta hobbies. We're not big TV people, but we might take a half hour or an hour to flake of front of the TV. Some evenings feel native. Like a a relaxing has never been a problem. Looking back from. Showing the lawns and throwing blocks, not even throwing the newspaper but talking to. Your neighbors handing them the paper, and maybe even telling the news before they get it in saying. How has your work helped shape your character. So thinking of an answer in terms of the listeners in how important work is, how has were helped shape your character. I don't know how the answer will come. Brian but. I think my character is shaped my work more than my work has shaped my character to be honest with you. I think from a young age, a heaven interested in the well being of other people and I don't just mean physical wellbeing just general wellbeing of others. And I. think that. Has made me successful to be honest with you I'm quick and willing to talk to anybody I. I'm I'm not one to prejudge anybody on any of the topics that people get prejudged on whether to color of their skin or their socioeconomic status in society or. Their religion or any like it doesn't matter to me. I'm I'm a believer in a human being human being and I think that look on life is served me well to be honest with you. I'm. Friendly lived life overly cautious that I was going to offend someone. But to my credit I, don't think I've offended many people through my comings and goings I do speak my mind on not afraid to say what I believe in. A while speaking my mind, I wholeheartedly believe in the opinion of the other person. Maybe, not believe in it, but I valued that they had. And I like to let people know that I value their opinion or their insight or their suggestions. and I think those things I carry those things into a classroom as well like I I don't look at the students that I teach. As. Lesser Than Myself. Yes, I have to have control the room I'm the leader in the room, but it doesn't make me mourn or Ben. A six year old you know what I mean like I'm not. I'm not a more important him being in the land so. You know that's not something that just carried through life with you know friends and colleagues. Family members is something I've portrayed my students as well. I think it served me well I think it's led to the type of teacher I've become now gets a good action. Areas Affected Hawaii. But I? I would put my character as a greater influence on my career. It's In, that's a better way of looking at it and I. Don't there's people that are shaped by their career, which probably would be detrimental to their character in most instances. If they're fully. Shaped by what it is, they're doing and then they are disheartened because they are their work opposed to influencing their work for something better, and it's something about you I, we've known each other for twenty. Thirty almost twenty five years. I, guess. is about you is that you are consistently kind I couldn't say anything. Against your character and I, felt that you always from. I guess to be honest what little we know of each other in the period of time we knew each other is that you are consistently kind in that. You did value me despite my. Views right or eroneous ways. For that I appreciate what you're saying is absolutely true of when I know of you. I appreciate your kind words to it's it is true Greg I have one final question for you. Young men, Clara? Why do you work? Okay. So this is your question that I've really cheated on. I haven't scripted an answer but I. But I have an answer. I think we all work for the future I think we're working. Yes. We're working for financial gain. But it's for the future whether it's the put food on our tables the next day or whether it's the by the new toy, the one you know you or your child want or whether it's. Putting money away for. Your child's education down the road or your retirement or whatever I think we all work for the future and? Lots occurs could say it but also as a teacher in that capacity, you're working for the future in a much greater sense socially. So. I hope I don't lose points for cheating bought. As I listened to your show that's what struck me as I think we worked for the future. Not Working, for the past will it's it's a great point and you're the first one to say it. The way you have. But this is what I want listeners especially younger people it's for your future and when you're younger, not all maybe not you you're not thinking that the future is so long or all the things that you have to do for your future. Many kids think about now. Or younger people think about now and maybe tomorrow or next week or next year. But not okay when I lose my my mom or my dad how how you know who's GonNa pay for that or when I retire how's that going to be paid for in thinking more in just reminding people It's for your future and I don't think that's cheating at all. Thanks. Mr Gregg Jackman. I appreciate you I appreciate you being a teacher in the public school district and I i. think you have some things on your horizon that you're looking to do. and. I hope you all the best in all the. Need to thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with Brian? The shortest subscribe follow and share with others so they can be encouraged. I hope that you have yourself. Productive. Joyful Day. In your work.

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Political moves, both real and projected, are placing outsized influence on U.S. and Canadian oil markets

World Oil's Daily Brief

22:58 min | 2 months ago

Political moves, both real and projected, are placing outsized influence on U.S. and Canadian oil markets

"Welcome to the Daily Brief the world oil podcast networks Daily Review of market news emerging Trends new technologies and the people who are advancing the oil and gas industry here is Paige Wallace with your top news stories of the day. Hello and welcome to the world oil Daily Brief podcast. I'm Cameron Wallace. And today is Sunday, September 27th as we get ready to wrap up the month. There's been some activity up in Canada that girl has been following for several months now as the industry and the trade associations in Newfoundland and Labrador have been lobbying the provincial and the federal government wage for support for the offshore oil and gas sector and we're excited to report that there is some movement some movement Saran talk about that and get everybody up to speed on what's Happening up in Canada and then switching back down to the United States in New Mexico where the most active part of the Permian Basin resides there has been a flurry of activity taking place in the New Mexico Shale and a lot of that has to do with the upcoming election. So we're going to take a look what that means and then we've also got some some birth. Are good news about the rig count. So to get us through all these topics is Kurt Abraham editor-in-chief of world oil magazine. So Kurt. Thanks for joining us. Thank you Cameron, and I'm a very interesting close to the last week for the last two days on Thursday and Friday for sure and you know, we've had this ongoing situation up there in East Canada principally the Newfoundland and Labrador Province were the vast bulk of the offshore industry has been concentrated and as many folks will know for about six months now roughly. We've been detailing from time to time the various goings-on in that market up there and the fact that God, you know from early on after the covid-19. I'm talking about some kind of assistance to the industry that take it through the pandemic and continue to assure. It's profitable existence beyond that point and then yet nothing had come of anything that had been said for weeks on end as folks will remember wage and then we heard a few Whispers just in the last ten days or so and lo and behold back on Thursday of this last week. We began to see some movement first from the provincial government of Newfoundland and Labrador and this is an interesting little program. They've decided to Institute or shall we say, it's a a cancellation of a facet of another program and what we mean by that is wage. Companies when operators go to explore offshore Newfoundland and Labrador they have to put up a security deposit and that security deposit is the same equivalent to about 25% of whatever the budget is for the expiration project. Now, there's a little catch to all this if an operator decides not to go through with the project that it put a puts up the security deposit for then it will lose that deposit after a certain amount of time. So it's our understanding that what the provincial government has decided to do is to forego taking away these security deposits if the companies don't follow through with the expiration projects, so they say that right now the Canadian or rather the Canada, Newfoundland and Labrador offshore petroleum board cm L o p b is holding close to 1 billion dollars in Exploration deposits at this juncture and they say the typically 30 to 40 per-cent of all deposits are forfeited meaning that, you know out of that 1 billion dollars, they could be looking forward to keeping three hundred to four hundred million dollars in the provincial coffers month. However with this new announcement on Thursday the provincial government will forgo that money and let go back to the operators in the home that these operators will instead then go and try a different expiration project. So it's a bit of an iffy thing. If you're on the government side, you know, you're taking money that you could have held onto and you're giving it back out in the hopes that it will further incentivize the industry. Well, I hate to say that it sounds like it may be a little iffy from the industry side as well because you think back to what we talked about last week with Joe Biden saying that he did not want to ban fracking. But of course he wants to ban drilling on Federal Land which would go ahead and take care of that Florham. So in Canada, they have the federal government and the provincial government who want to be able to return these deposits for projects. Well, but yeah, so so what makes me wonder I get a little suspicious about is, you know, obviously they've got some pretty aggressive climate change targets they may want to hit. So if they were to do something, you know, try to pass a similar ban, then it would be within their best interest to at least return that money so they could say Hey, you know, at least we're not stealing your deposit wage. It's true. Now, we've got to also consider the other half of the equation that occurred on Friday and you piece it all together and then you see the picture of the total picture. So on Friday, Day, we had an announcement from the federal government in Ottawa that it is going to give the province of Newfoundland and Labrador 320 million Canadian dollars to cross support offshore oil jobs in the province, but this is an interesting case of government finagling of money off and working things around to make it look like they're doing more than they are in my opinion because you have the natural resources Minister Shamus or Reagan who is in st. John's on Friday to announce this new measure in this follows, you know, six months of this lobbying by oil industry groups and workers and even some of the provincial governmental people lobbying Ottawa to do something. So they're going to give the 320 million dollars to the province supposedly with no strings attached and they're leaving it up to the prom. Is to decide how to spend the money now that having been said, oh Regan says well, hey, you know, we think the money will probably be spent on safety improvements maintenance and upgrades of existing offshore infrastructure environmental services and clean technology. Now one has to wonder if there aren't some guidelines as to roughly how much percentage gets spent in all these different categories. You just have to believe that but anyway, they are going to allow them opens to put together a committee to decide how to spend the money now, here's the interesting part and this shows you how government can still be disingenuous wage, even when it looks like they're doing something good for somebody among their constituents. So they've got this money they handed over to the problems. They said hey, no strings attached figure out how to spend it off. But then we find out that the money is coming from ottawa's portion of royalties paid into the federal government from production from the provinces off Hibernia oilfield. So they're taking money that they've been confiscating as royalties all this time. And now they're turning it back saying, oh we're giving you a gift bag know, you're really just giving them the money back that you took away in the form of confiscation royalties. So, once again, we have an example of government jobs that really being totally honest in terms of appearing to be doing something just out of the goodness of its heart and and again, there is nothing here. Absolutely. Nothing in the way of any tax reform tax breaks, whatever you want to call it dead. Nothing like that is contained in any of these actions that have occurred over this past Thursday and Friday. So therefore once again, we do not see any type of actions similar to what occurred in Norway forthcoming at the moment. Now that having been said, I believe let's see we've got several statements here. Don't we a statement from the Canadian Association of petroleum producers saying, you know that awful awful that the announcement on Friday from the federal government will make a difference as offshore operators make critical investment decisions, but the situation facing the industry is dire with thousands off work and projects at risk and further detail is required to determine that this report will help operators overcome the critical challenges. They're facing they say they would continue advocating for September. Hearst all projects and for tax reform measures which are necessary to support growth enable creating more jobs. So they're saying well we're getting something here, but she looks like it may not be enough and we are sure that it's not enough then we have a release here. Let's see is this yeah, here is a a release from the Newfoundland and Labrador offshore oil and gas industry Association. They are saying that it's just you know, they're talking about this task force that's going to be put together and they're going to have a hand in the task force and let's see if we can find some quotes near the situation. This is from the premier of Newfoundland and Labrador situation from the offshore oil and gas industry in this province has reached a crisis Point immediate action is required. Yep. Received Clarity from the federal government now. I'm not sure I would use the word Clarity but that's the provincial premiers word hear The Honorable Andrew Fury. He says we're establishing a task force to identify immediate actions for our industry and do offer guidance as to how this province can maximize the federal government's $320 support and leverage more private investment. So they're talking about their role here basically to sum it up the Federal and provincial governments have given a little bit of positive action to the industry. But when you really sit down and look on it at it in total, it's not near enough wage. Yeah, and that's unfortunately a pretty reasonable assessment for everything that's taken place. I guess we'll just have to sort of see what evolves in the next few days. This is something that would be started to get momentum at the end of the week, especially on Friday. So as we get to the next few days, hopefully we'll get to understand a little more about what's really happening and both of those trade associations aren't shy about sharing their opinions? So I'm sure we'll hear some more from them as well. So I guess stay tuned is the moral of the story for what's happening over in the province of Newfoundland and Labrador Lounge, but coming on back down to the US there is some other regulatory driven decision-making taking place in the Permian Basin specific New Mexico portion of the Permian Basin and I think that a lot of that has to do with some uncertainty around the upcoming election. Oh very much. So there is a story the chem across the wire service from Bloomberg on Friday talking about the phenomenon where a number of operators are Drilling in the Permian Basin Shale layers on the New Mexico side in particular because I'm not much of the Permian action in New Mexico is on federal lands now with the current Administration. That's not a problem. However, if on election day in November, there's a change of regime that starts to be an entirely new situation and one major problem out there in that region because we've got off the Democratic candidate Joe Biden who has expressed his distaste and I think that's putting it mildly for fracking and you know, he's talking about Barring fracking on the government of lands Federal lands, and there's quite a bit of in South Eastern New Mexico and then obviously could be a problem. And even though prices aren't where they need to be. There's been a little bit of a surge of action in that area of the country because of the possibility that they can lose those Federal lands to operate on Thursday. It's says here at some of the executives with some of the firms operating out there have been disquieted enough shall we say that they're rushing to build up a number of federal permits to go ahead and drill in that state over the first nine months a year permit applications for the region have surged 25% in those applications feature companies like Devon energy Contra resources at cetera. So you've got both big players of medium players and birth. They're they're obviously hedging their bets in case that something goes wrong in the November election. And as far as they're concerned the wrong side wins, at least they built up the permits that cannot be taken away. Now, we say cannot be taken away never say never you know, they they've if a new regime gets in there, they may find a way to take those away even so even though they've been duly constituted under the current rules. So obviously there's a lot of concern out there which has urged activity a bit. Although it seems to have leveled out in the last week or two. That's interesting. I was leveled out and it's it's also interesting. You know, you raised the point about just how how honored will those permits be in the way of add a new Administration. That's first thing that sprang to my mind is, you know, just because you have a permit in your hand doesn't mean that they're going to honor it. So it's a hopefully not going to be too big of a surprise for everybody down there in New Mexico when things if things change come November But direct but yeah, you mentioned that in the past week or so things have been changing. We didn't get stuck with the rig count last week. So this week we will get to talk about two weeks worth of it. We've seen some activity picking up in the US but it looks like Kurt as you were looting New Mexico wasn't a part of that equation. Well, see that's what is a little bit puzzling and I can only say that appears that you know, they've reached a certain level we intend to drill at and they're not going to go above that but they have accumulated number of permits. That's really the only explanation you can have for the recount numbers because this past Friday the most recent count New Mexico is actually at -2 for the week. Whereas text is principally on the Permian a rather on the Texas side of the page. And you've got a seven rig increase so we have to assume that the operators have built up enough permits are at a certain level. They're not going to go any higher wage and you know, we're nearly to the 1st of October. So that may stand to reason not any real particular growth anywhere else in the country in terms of the new rig count. I believe the previous recount was how much one or two right was up to was correct? Okay. So now we're at a net count net gain rather in the US of six, which is good news. We're now up to 261 off from the all-time low, which was 250 know it's late lower than 252 wasn't it? Not much lower. But yeah much lower. Yeah. Well anyway, so we're good to 55 as of September 18th or now a 261 Thursday September 25th. This will be the last rig count in the third quarter of this year before we start the fourth quarter. So it's going to be very interesting to see if we get any kind of uptick from this point forward. In the in the recount in in see some more activity build here. We've had some expectations. There will be some minor growth in the fourth quarter. We are waiting to see whether that is fulfilled. Now. The other thing to consider is are some companies just going to flat out hang out on the sidelines and do nothing until they see who wins on November 3rd in a presidential election or will you have some other countries say well just in case things go the wrong way we better get out there and do what we can so there's two ways to look at the fourth quarter. We're not sure which way is going to Prevail. Did they say whether or not Biden Trump are going to have debates this year supposedly. There's going to be a debate fairly quickly here if I'm not mistaken or do that actually comes off is anybody's guess but there's a plan for a debate fairly soon. I do believe Okay, I bet that would be one of those moments in which ones that debates over people will be making their decisions about it. They're going to just hang on and wait and see what happens or if they're going to move ahead with whatever assumption they have. I think that once those two guys, you know, go toe-to-toe in an unscripted manner. I think it's going to be an instructor for a lot of people's decision-making processes. So hopefully it does go off and hopefully it is something of value to not just our industry but voters at large so they can, you know, hopefully make whatever decision they want to make because I've been very concerned and I'm sorry, I'm going off topic a little bit of a very concerned that there weren't going to be any debates this year and that's just not a real good presents need to set so I'm glad to hear this. Yeah, here's a schedule that I've pulled up. The first one will be actually in a couple of days on September 28th. There's another one scheduled for October 15th. And the final one on October 22nd. Now there's also a vice presidential debate between Mike Pence Village resident Mike Pence and Senator Kamala Harris. That will be on October 7th. So we will have a total of 3 plus one makes for so long will be very interesting if these come off as planned to see what is said about energy particularly oil and gas. But in the meantime, we'll have to keep our eyes peel for any movement in the rig count. I can tell you this the Gulf of Mexico recount had gained another rig, I guess it was last the previous week. So it's up to 14 now. They've gone from twelve to thirteen to fourteen. So that's good slow but steady progress Canada, by the way gained seven rigs on Friday. They're up to 71 that compares wage. To 127 a year ago, so they're down the 56 from last year, but they're now running at a rate. That's more than fifty percent of last year's pay. So that's good there. They're making a bit of a comeback. Yeah, that is we'll take it and we'll take all that good news. So then that's what we're going to do. We're going to keep our eye on that rig count and see what happens down here in the major Chevrolets in the states. And also what's popping up in Canada as well. So with that Kurt, thank you very much for your time and your analysis today, and we'll talk to you again next week. All right. Thank you Cam. Thanks for listening to the Daily Brief on the world oil podcast network. If you have any questions or comments on the program, please email editorial at World oil and check the show notes. For more information about stays episode. Don't forget to subscribe either on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Also. Be sure to visit World oil for more information about today's stories and sign up for our free daily newsletter.

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N.L. Premier Andrew Furey and P.E.I. Premier Dennis King on leaving Atlantic bubble

The Current

15:36 min | 4 d ago

N.L. Premier Andrew Furey and P.E.I. Premier Dennis King on leaving Atlantic bubble

"Sick boy podcast is now part of the family each week. We tackle health taboos with people who have experienced them firsthand. We're determined to break down the stigma associated with illness and disease while still making some jokes and having fun along the way because laughter is the best medicine right. Find new episodes of sick boy each week on. Cbc listen or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a cbc podcast. The atlantic bubble has burst or at the very least. The bubble is leaking yesterday and land in labrador and prince. Edward island said that they are out as covert infections in new brunswick nova scotia keep rising since july people in the four provinces have been able to move freely across each other's borders without quarantining and it was working with cases staying low but things have changed. Andrew fury is the premier of newfoundland and labrador. He's in saint john's premium. Good morning. Good morning matt. How are you. I'm well thanks. You had said yesterday that the atlantic bubble has been a source of pride. What do you think made it so successful up until now well i think the ability of the atlantic provinces to work together as a region has been paramount in the past economic opportunities but in playing partnerships in this public health opportunity to protect the citizens of the atlantic region was again a source of private. Also a great source of success for over four months and in. I know you said that we were suspending. The bubble where we're taking a two week break reevaluating and seeing where the viruses and in other jurisdictions within the bubble almost a bubble within the bubble if you allow me to continue with that analogy current what's the difference between suspending it in taking a break suspension is that you know we're going to reevaluate in two weeks and see where we are see where the demand is. And if it's a seems to be calm down then we're a we'll keep going we'll evaluate and look back to get back into the overall bubble so the integrity of the atlantic bubbles still intact. I guess is the only difference what stopped working well. I'm not sure that it's a anything stopped working per say this is the. This is the change in the virus that we've seen spread across the united states now into canada. This quite contagious virus. Which is complicated by the fact that it has these few days Where you can spread today symptomatically. Even some patients can spread it to a symptomatically the entire time the so it only takes one or two Patients who are asymptomatic to burst the bubble in that you can have flare ups and then that can lead to community spread which is most concerning To citizens everywhere. And we've seen what's happened in the past when when he gets out of control so we're doing this preventative measure for newfoundland and labrador order to enable our contact tracers in our testers to ensure that we're able to contain any viruses seeps into newfoundland. Labrador was your sense that this was inevitable that What was being kept out would eventually make its way to your province. there's always a feeling of inevitability as we saw the cases rise across candidate in particular and of course we're seeing and following with great concern and great empathy and compassion for her brothers and sisters in families in in ontario and british columbian. Berta and so. We felt that the virus was pushing east in so this is yet another preventative. Measure to see if we can hold off the virus until the vaccine is is more readily available. What are you most concerned about. I mean in terms of the cases in your province there are just twenty three active cases. Which is something that i think. Many people across the country could only dream of What are you most concerned about the community spread and that was most concerning for me and evaluating other jurisdictions when you have a spread that you can't trace back to an index case that makes it difficult to contain any Any outbreak of covid nineteen. Or frankly any other communicable disease. We've been speaking with People on the front lines across this country this morning but over the last several weeks and months obviously and they're really worried about capacity in their hospitals. What sort of capacity do hospitals in your province have for coping with patients who perhaps might need care in the icu. I mean i worked on the front line. The covid nineteen before taking this job on one of the co floors here in saint. John's and i'm quite impressed with the capacity that we have here in saint john's But it's always something that we're evaluating To ensure that we don't push the limits in this extra step of putting in an extra border check is is a way that we are thinking that we can continue providing normal medical care without stressing the system and stressing our intensive care one of the perspective. Do you think you bring as a physician to this because it would be easy. I think for the average person if they see cases being low And a bubble working to perhaps let their guard down a little bit so knowing what you know as you said having been on the frontlines what sort of additional perspective do you think you bring to this. Well i think i can add an element of of rational medical sought to the decision making but that said You know i trust the public. Health officials era dr fitzgerald and her team here locally have done an incredible job in And we certainly defer to their decision making but it does bring a different level of understanding. I hope a different level of respect for the virus. And i hope i'm able to to use my previous life to convey the The dynamic nature of this virus and the need to be flexible in our response to newfoundlanders and laboratory. What do you think they're looking for. I mean again in a situation where life compared to much of the rest of the country has been able to be lived almost normally. What do you think they're looking for. And how receptive would they be to further restrictions if cases continue to rise but i think everyone across the country and in here newfoundland and labrador is looking for a degree of certainty. Unfortunately that's not something that anyone can responsibly promise but the newfoundlanders in laboratories have enjoyed an incredible amounts of freedom Over the last four months in the atlantic puzzle and they just don't want that to stop. They want the schools to be open. They want businesses to be open. They want the economy to continue albeit in a limited capacity and so I think they're prepared to continue restricting Some of the movements in order to maintain the level of the freedoms that we here now and we know and appreciate that there is across. The country are not enjoying today. What are you looking for. From federal leadership put the prime minister in the federal government would be doing as these cases continued to grow in an alarming fashion in many parts of this country. I think the federal government has a large responsibility here on ensuring the health and safety of all canadians ensuring that they're able to support a different jurisdictions. The provinces from a fiscal capacity from a supply capacity supply chain capacity whether that's p p or or providing a robust solid vaccine a distribution plan. I think that's the role of the federal government in ensuring that all the provinces are well looked after moving forward with with this pandemic there have been calls for greater federal intervention. Would you support any of that. I'm happy to discuss the greater federal interventions with respect to supplies and Fiscal support especially. Now is that as the vaccine comes online. Just finally you said that you are taking a pause for two week period. What would the threshold be to extend that even further decision matrix is not straightforward. Obviously we're looking at different variables including raw absolute numbers in different jurisdictions within the atlantic region. But also the degree and Of community spirit. Which again for me is most concerning as that can quickly a strap. The system and exhaust the capacity that we have and others have So those are the two main variables that we would kinda consider an apply different weights to a making this decision. Premier ferry to speak with you this morning. Appreciate your time thank you. Thanks very much matt. Andrew fury is the premier of newfoundland and labrador. He was in saint john's despite the decision from newfoundland and labrador and i to shut their doors yesterday. New brunswick premier blaine higgs said. His province would not be closing. Its borders yet. Now is not the time to travel to other areas. We have already made it clear that we are no longer monitoring the provincial borders and that would be potential borders between ourselves in nova scotia and Pi we will continue however to monitor the borders the northern part of the province between ourselves in quebec and we are enhanced enhancing our monitoring of of the us border. It's important that we understand movements. It's important that the family bubbles are protected and we're allowed to beat this current outbreak. Dennis king is the premier of prince edward island on the line. Now from charlottetown preemies. Good morning to you Good morning matt. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for joining us. Why your province out of the bubble. Look i think Andrew Summed up quite well just from our perspective here We look at the national case load. And how it's growing we look at that as it has come to the maritimes and the atlantic region An island province. We have the ability to contain our borders a little bit probably more easily than than other jurisdictions so for us It's about trying to maintain that quality of almost ordinary life that we have here in prince edward island and to use all the tools we have To try to beat back over to one more time. What is the bubble meant for people in your province until now the bubble has been a great Economic generator compared to what we would have. I thought perhaps back in in the spring but it's also kind of been a beacon of hope as well. I think that You know your guests that you had before premier fury talked about this ping marathon in renton and how we can't see the end in sight. And i think for a four or five month period within the high part of the summer when people are used to travelling back and forth and having some freedom to move around the atlantic bubble provided some hope and then some some normalcy at a time when it feels like anything but was everyone on side with the bubble where there's some people who were opposed to this idea. I would say that anything that pertains to the politics prince edward island on a day-to-day basis. That there would be no Uniform support. One way or the other. I think the large majority of of people even though they might have been a little apprehensive at first Really thought the bubble was a was a unique and creative way to get some movement of Of people around the region at a time when our region was incredibly safe as compared to the rest of the country or the world so but there's always detractors of course and i think if i flipped the switch to to yesterday that even though people have enjoyed the bubble i think the overwhelming response. So far has been. I'm glad that we have done this. I hope we don't have to do it very long. But i'm glad we're trying to do this now. As a pre as a proactive measure as opposed to trying to react in a couple of weeks time. If things were to go bad the last week. I spoke with the health minister nunavut and spoke to him about concerns around blame. They had kept covert out of that territory. It crept in and now it's ripping through parts of none of it. He was really worried that people would blame others for bringing it into that territory. Are you worried about finger pointing having been so successful with the bubble up until this point. Pardon me yeah. I look at the sixty nine cases that we've had here. In prince edward island have been imported into the region largely due to rotational workers etcetera. So i don't think anybody is really gets upset with the individual. Nobody brings this willingly To our province but at the same time You know we have to be mindful that we are a small province so if we say Rotational worker from western. Canada came to the eastern part of the province. We can quickly Do the math and do the geology of who that bear geography who that is so You know it's a fine line. But i do think overall that Most islanders have been understanding that Covert is here that we weren't going to not have covid here and they're concerned has always been around making sure that we can track the cases and and keep islanders safe. Well into that. And dr joanne langley epidemiologist at dalhousie university in halifax and the co lead on candidates covid nineteen task force. Take a listen to what she said about. Whether the atlantic bourbeau bubble has indeed burst one interpretation of that might be that diseases rampant. They don't think it is. I think we're seeing some breakdown in the very good low transmission that we were having mainly prior to this. It was mainly imported cases. And then you circle around those imported cases and make sure they don't spread but right now we're seeing a little bit of community transmission so it will be very important to get a handle on premier. Indra fury said that This was a pause. Are you confident premier. That that that the region will be able to get a handle on the community transmission. That's taking place and that the bubble could be stitched back together Yes i mean that is my ultimate hope. I do have great faith in the public health systems in in our sister provinces and they have demonstrated Over the course of this cova time that they are able to react quickly into To contain the virus but you know but at the same time You know i look at it. From the perspective printed islands no one for perhaps and of green gables potatoes and seafood. But most of all being the most friendly and welcoming place probably in the world. So it's difficult for us to have our entry points close to to to the rest of canada or the world so we want this to be short. Term measure It's in the interest of health and safety of those who live here and those who would visit. But it's really really difficult for us to be in a situation where we can't be welcoming It's it's a really fine line for us we just We wanna work with our with our sister provinces to make sure that we contain the and beat back over one more time and as we look forward to you know a vaccine Coming in the first part of the year with with great hope I think we can see the finish line but it certainly a difficult decision that we've had to make but One that i'm glad we're able to make Proactively just before. I let you go. Are you nervously watching what's happening elsewhere in the country. We were talking earlier this morning about what's going on in alberta and that's to people in that province incredibly unsettling look i i worry about Covert not just from a high perspective but from from a national perspective a worldwide perspective even though we have to act of cases here. Maybe we're the envy of the rest of the country in that respect but at the same time Until cova is under control everywhere. It's out of control everywhere and that's kind of the way we've been looking at it. So yes i worry greatly. We have a limited capacity here if something were to happen from an outbreak perspective so We have to try everything that we can to keep it outside of our shores and to contain it. If it gets here and phosphide we've been able to do that. And i just hope and pray. We're able to continue to do that until we can. Get beyond the appreciate your time this morning. Good to talk to you premier. Thank you great to chat. He was welfare state. And you dennis. King is the premier of prince. Edward island he spoke with us from charlottetown for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.

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"This is an ABC podcast. Beverly best was always obsessed with flying and although there were almost no female commercial airline pilots at the time beverly was incredibly unshakably determined and so she wasn't that surprised in ninety six when she became the first female captain at American Airlines. I don't think however. Beverly was expecting someone to make Broadway musical about her life or more specifically about an incident that she was a very big pat off. That occurred nearly twenty years ago. The musical is called. Come from away and it's about what happened when a commercial plane that beverly was piloting was forced to land unexpectedly in a tiny little town in. Canada. Cold Ganda Beverly. The crew and the passengers were stranded for a week in Ganda while the people of that town came to their rescue with incredible kindness linked. Thank you for having had. Did you become fixated on flying? I don't know. Isn't that just the craziest story in the world? But I honestly cannot remember a time in my life when I wasn't obsessed with airplanes. I mean my mother used to say when she pushed me in the stroller. If an airplane went overhead that I would kick my feet and point at A. I don't remember that part but I do remember from really about four years old. Just being obsessed with really flying not even airplanes so much but I want it to physically fly so yeah when you were little. Did you fly much as a passenger I did? My mother was from New York City and I was raised in. Fort Myers Florida so we often flew up to New York and it was. It was the best experience of my life every time. So what do you think he wanted to pod about rather than just a passenger? Well I guess there's no greater thing than you know having control of an airplane like that and of course you know one thing led to the next and to be able to fly the largest twinjet that American operated the triple. Seven was just the pinnacle of my career. Now you've just arrived in Australia from the United States. Does it kill you to fly as a passenger on one of these planes would much rather be flying the thing I would much rather be flying it. I'm a good passenger. I never sit up there and thank all the pilots should be doing this or that to me but yeah but I would much rather have a window seat looking out the front yes does. I've often wondered. Does that. Does that change the whole experience of flying having the front window to look out of a joint seven seven seven? Well all pilots would tell you that we have the best seat in the house to me about where you grew up. You mentioned with somewhere in Florida kind of a place was this yes. I grew up in a small town. Called Fort Myers. It's on the West Coast of Florida. Had about thirty thousand people when I was growing up and my family and I were involved in the horse business. We raised and trained quarter horses. And I'm an only child so I Grew up hunting in the everglades with my father on horseback at night with a rifle over my shoulder and I was in fashion shows with my mom so I kind of grew up doing everything. I played both roles For my parents and I didn't know there was such thing called gender discrimination. Did you have to help out with the horses? Oh I did. It was a family project. We didn't have a trainer was justice and every day after school. I'd go straight to the ranch and clean stalls and work the horses. Yes you mentioned hunting it not. How did that work to me about yeah? We had a hunting camp in the everglades for about sixty years and And that's how I actually got into the horse. Business is my dad. Bought a couple of Just regular horses that we hunted off of and one thing turn into the next and of course then we wanted bigger and better horses and that's how we ended up being competitive with them and going to horse shows all over the country. At that time you have plenty in common with your dad very much so yes. My father. Thought I couldn't do anything wrong. And he just loved that I would hunt and fish and do everything with him. Seem much of a link between flying applying and running a host of other similarities. Then well you know I never thought much about it until I started flying for the airlines and it is amazing. How many other women airline pilots talked to who have come from a horse background and I think if there was ever a survey done that it would be astounding to find out how many of us share the horses and and airplanes. And when you think about it you control a twelve hundred pound animal with your feet your legs and your hands and that is exactly how you fly an airplane. Do you think this some similarity in spatial awareness. Because when you run driving a car it's kind of a two day thing you can sort of go forward and backward side side but when you're in horses a bit more up and down there's will absolutely it is and I just you know at honestly don't know if there is a correlation but I I have learned over the years. A lot of us have done both a habit delicacy of touch as well like the gentleness and in fact when I have shared that story with male pilots a lot of them will say exactly that women are so gentle with their hands as you must be with a horse and they say that will you fly much the same way so. I had never really thought about that. It was the guys who interjected that into my thought process. How old were you when you started to learn to? Fly was nineteen and I really wanted to start when I was sixteen. I begged my father to take flying lessons but he sort of put it on hold. It's not that he didn't encourage me. He encouraged me with everything that I did. But he wanted to maintain my interest in the horses and didn't want me to get distracted with flying so and I love for college. We sold the ranch and when I came home for my first summer break I got my car. Drove straight to the airport. Signed up for flying lessons I took my first lesson came home. I walked into the House and told my parents I would fly for the rest of my life. Why did wow? Yes so unusual. That's really unusual that someone that vocationally directed in life that you have that that unshakably determined to flood and that's very true. I know it's unusual when you did start to fly was at what you'd hoped it would be every bit and more. It was certainly a bit of a struggle in the beginning. Because you have to have thousands of hours and a lot of experience to even apply to the airlines. I did ninety percent of my flying in Texas. Which is where. I went to college and and it was really hard getting jobs. Because they're just there wasn't a prevalence of women flying anything. At that time it was the early seventies and I worked out of a huge airport and there were only two women pilots at the time. And so I got my first flying job. Flying bodies for mortician and the airplane has small. I flew one body at the time. They were not in a casket because the Cargo door was not big enough to fit a casket into the airplane so the two backseats were removed. The Right Front seat was folded down and I had to climb over their head to get to my seat wild well. That's the job that no one else wanted. Well that's pretty much the reason I got it because none of the guys wanted to do it and you are with that did you. Did you mind? I was so proud of the job because it was the first time that somebody was paying me to fly an airplane and I wasn't having to pay my parents weren't having to pay for flight lessons so I actually thought it was great. I have to ask. Did you have conversations with the person in the plane mixed you? That's bit you know. The the gentleman who owned the airplane was actually a mortician and He didn't own a funeral home. He he embalmed bodies so every body that I- transport it had been bombed so they really never did anything they didn't set up. They didn't make noises they didn't they. Were very well behaved. And I had a sheet over on and I just put my charts over the sheet or I mean is. Would you chat with them though? Would you say it's no and I was always happier once. The body was delivered an out of the airplane. And then complain. Those guys do they. Don't they're great? Passengers tremendous was it a well-paid Gig five dollars an hour or so fast Thomas Really. Yeah so what other kind of work is there. In the beginning. I was a flight instructor. I did quite a bit of charter work. I was chief Pilot Charter Department at our flight. School I've flu for two corporations. I flew for an insurance company at a whole pipe. Wholesale Company and then My last job. Prior to American Airlines interviewing me I went to Dallas influence night freight five nights a week from nine nine till five. In the morning I flew cancelled checks airplane part for Rockwell and Just anything that had to be hauled in the airplane is a different flying at night. It's nice flying at night. There's a lot less traffic. There is little more stable fewer thunderstorms because in our area. We call it thunderstorm Allie from Texas to Oklahoma Kansas. So it's kind of a tough area upright in and the thunderstorms have a tendency to die out when the sun goes down. So it's nice flying to self so that's where the pretty. When did you feel you'd finally made? It really made it as a part when you got the job with America was when I got the job. Sure with American up until that point. You know you're just I knew I wanted to fly the biggest airplanes and back then women couldn't get into the military as pilots so that wasn't an option and there were so few women who had been hired by the Airlines. They're only fourteen other women flying for the US airlines. When I was hired by American and so yes that was it but you know getting through flight engineer scores was very challenging. Very hard It would have been easier to start as a co-pilot but back in the day we started on seven twenty sevens and you started as a flight engineer. And that's a tough school. Was there a bit of a fuss made about the fact that you've been made the first female? Captain was American Airlines proud of the fact that they publicized. They did. They were fairy excited. They were very supportive. Very much behind me and you know everything that the airlines is based on seniority. So it wasn't that I did anything special. It was just my turn seniority wise and the fact that I was a female was kind of a big deal. Americans the largest airline in the world and We were pretty big back then so it was a big deal to them. It doesn't sound like you were going to be deterred from this but did you. Did you have to crash through various here? Did you have to sort of push through some opposition from the boys club that it used to be well and they would say. It's still very prevalent today which I find so hard to believe you think we've made a lot more progress. I don't think I've ever heard a woman's voice sang. Is Your captain speaking identity? I've ever heard but you know what you may not notice because when you are sitting in the back of the airplane as soon as a female voice comes on. You automatically are geared to think. It's a flight attendant. So oftentimes you don't pay attention is not the flights over. You know that you're walking on you. Go Oh there was a female pilot and we are often like during delays a lot of times. The passengers will say well. The captain didn't say anything about why we're delayed and the flight attendants say yes. She made five announcements but they tuna south so is not interesting. It's a weird ideas women on suited for. What do you expect to lift up the plane or something some? What's what was looking. They don't even know what that would that was all about. We ever discouraged. Utah distant this guy before the airlines absolutely. I would be embarrassed to tell any of my coworkers that I wanted to fly for the airlines. Because they would laugh and they would think it was ridiculous and offer to. Oh fresher ambition because there just weren't any nobody ever saw doing woman airline pilot. That's horrible I stopped saying it is what I did and I just pressed on and logged every flight hour that I could and I knew in my heart that that was what I was GonNa do. But I just didn't know a share it with my contemporaries and then once I got hired America the guys that American treated me so beautifully and were so respectful that I was there almost thirty two years. And if you made me come up with a a derogatory story I would have to fish for one. They were great to me so this brings us to the morning of September. Two Thousand and one was that morning. Lock to begin with well. I was actually an instructor pilot and the co-pilot was on a training trip with me as his instructor so it was his first trip on the triple seven. He's a very experienced pilot and had been flying other airplanes at American but it was his first trip on this airplane. What does that make sense? That's the biggest line seven. Yeah well it's the largest twin-engine jets not bigger than the Qantas three eighty or anything. But it's the largest twin-engine chat issues like a skyscraper on its side. Isn't it block right? They do and when you walk in and it's like a massive amount of space. It's a beautiful jet but anyway we left Paris that morning. It was beautiful. We even commented on not a cloud in the sky the sky was a turquoise blue and we were flying from Paris to Dallas when over the metal at the North Atlantic. When we first heard on our air to air frequent say that we monitor that one of the towers had been hit. And what did you think when you heard that I thought was like many people thought it was light airplane? And Not that. That's not a terrible thing but it never even crossed our mind that it was an airline. So you went. Oh that's terrible and we were eating lunch at the time and our feeder propped up. We talked about it and went back to eating lunch and then it was about twenty minutes later. We heard that the second tower had been hit and with that came the word airliner and terrorism. And that's that's when things began to change drastically for us we continued westbound and I called the lead flight attendant up and it was things were happening pretty quickly at this time because we Then here that. New York's airspace was closing and didn't really affect us because we don't go through their airspace. Coming back from Paris from Paris to Dallas. Yes when we come in way over northern Canada we play great circle route. So we don't go through New York and then when all of the US airspace was close. We knew. Then that we were gonNA divert somewhere in Canada. I don't think I'm just trying to remember how things we're in. Two thousand one passengers wouldn't have done with. I wouldn't have had any connection to the ground. Not at that time and very few people back then even went to Europe cell phones and we had no way to recharge so very few people. Even moving landed had access to cell phones so having received this terrible news in the cockpit. You getting instructions then or were you having this sort of figure out what to do next yourselves now. We figured it out ourselves because the company was very busy grounding all of the domestic airplanes you know we had hundreds of airplanes that had to be put on the ground immediately in the US and remember. We've just lost two airplanes so the international airline airplanes were pretty much on their own which we were okay with that we don't we don't need dispatch or the company telling us what to do. Were able to make those decisions just trying to put a suspect. In the mindset of that moment we didn't really know who had done it and it was a bit like lightning bolts coming out of the sky because it wasn't just the World Trade Center was the Pentagon was worth the other one on the question in the field in Pennsylvania and there was room was one on the way to the White House and and the remember watching on TV and it was late at night in Australia. And could this be al Qaeda because Al Qaeda had attacked the embassies in Africa and the US worship as well? But we didn't really know at that point. Did the thought. Cross your mind that you might be something The there was a potential danger on board. You apply you know. A lot of people have asked me that and I must say that never really went through my mind until afterwards and then it was when people started saying Gosh you. None of us knew who is in the back of our airplanes. But because they had all departed from domestic cities. I think that I consider there to be less potential from Paris to Dallas. It was more of our airplanes that were flying trans cons heavily loaded with fuel and so I must say that I really did not think about that until way. After the fact it didn't enter my mind at the point. When I learned about the attacks the techs terrifying was everyone able to keep a level head a mix between you and the and the cabin crew. Yes and you know that was one of the most important things is the PA that I was GonNa make to the passengers. I had to think long and hard about what I was gonNA say. I didn't want to say too much and recognize at know too much at the time and I had to protect the flight attendants because they were going to have the aftermath as to how the pastures reacted. Whatever I said I'm locked behind the cockpit door. Some pretty secure so I ran the PA by my lead flight attendant had told her exactly what I was going to say. She was okay with it. And that's the PA. I made at told the passengers. The truth is said that there'd been a crisis in the United States. All of the airspace was closed. We were going to be diverting to Gander Newfoundland and when we landed. I would get back with them with more information as it developed and really. That was all I knew at the time but I wasn't GonNa make up a mechanical problem or something that I had undo once we landed in Gander and they were fun. Head of the Kevin Respond to this was the must have been nonetheless. A causes what crosses right And they were great they they did not cause any problems and When we got on the ground again I didn't have a lot to tell him but I'd told him you know whatever We knew at that point. And oddly enough we were getting what little information we had from the BBC. That was that was the radio that we were able to listen to on the ground because we were there. We were on their plan for twenty eight hours total before we got off. I think trying to put my head in that space passenger. You'd think the pilots telling us the truth. Now it's all rally around the pilot. Actually you really would think you you know because they tried to look out for us now because in. They're telling us the truth. So you mentioned the the need to divert. And how did you arrive? Upon way you would divert the plane. It was an order as soon as we reach fifty degrees west. Longitude which is where we're able to actually come in contact with Gander control. We received orders which is very unusual. Because we're going to divert an airliner. We usually coordinate that with our company dispatchers and the captain of the airplane. That day was most unusual and as soon as we talked again where control dates ordered us to land immediately and Gander. I thought we would go to one of the larger cities like Toronto Montreal. But that wasn't the case. So where on earth is Gander Canada Gander boy? It's a little tiny town in Newfoundland On the rock as they say it is on an island and it is just one of the most northeastern points that you can be an in North America and You know the runways are great. It's an airport. That was actually built by the US back during World War. Two and it was the last refueling stop for all of the airplanes that were going to Europe during that time so they are used to handling a lot of airplanes however not wide bodies and on nine eleven we were thirty eight wide bodies that landed there and nearly consumed the whole airport. Wow so technically would landing there for the be different within when you're landing at an there's not used to taking a across. The landing is not different. The runways are great. They're wide there long. No problems so there's tons. Tiny town had a an astro. That could take seven seven seventy. Yes yes and really. The town was built as a result of the airport so the airport is what the town is all about but the infrastructure is not very big like the terminal is quite small. There's not a lot of ramp area and by the time I land know. Airplanes are parked like sardines nose to tail. They're on every taxiway every runway. The the one we're using the land on and so they ended up putting me on the general aviation ramp area which The surface was not load bearing for an airplane. The size of a triple seven and the temperatures were unseasonably warm during that time so my airplanes started sinking into the asphalt and my tire marks are still there today. Did you have to jettison fuel before you land? I did I did. I was seven thousand pounds over my Max landing weight and so we jettison seven thousand pounds of fuel. And that's what made me number thirty six hundred thirty eight to land. Is it took a while to do that? To thirty eight pastula across landing at this tiny little regionally airport in Newfoundland Canada. Wow did you have this? Potential crisis in the back of your mind was a something you just had this. September eleventh crosses in your mind was that something was intruding on your thoughts that you just have to put to one side and could you do that. Yes I did have to just put it to the side. Because at that time I had a hundred and fifty six passengers that had to be taken care of I had a crew of fifteen that had to be managed and I would say we operated minute by minute hour by hour day by day and just managed. What was the information we had at hand? Which wasn't a whole lot a Danda if what looked like as you would coming into this tiny place well in the airport is actually said quite nice. The terminal looks like something left over from the nineteen fifties. I say it looks like George. Jetsons or the Flintstone. Wow Yes all. The furniture is real low to the ground in. It's like orange and lime green and you know it's such a unique place and when we got off the airplane the morning of September twelfth at about seven thirty in the morning we walked into the terminal. And you know as just table after table just full of food and indicated to me that every stove in Gander had been turned on and operating all night long. I just need to know more about landing the plane though. It's because I'm just gonNA fascinated by this. But how tricky was it landing and parking the plane when you've got like thirty five or six other planes? They had partners to tile right. It was on final approach. I'm coming into runway Tutu and the very first thing I noticed is There's a highway that runs perpendicular to the approach end of that runway and the left or the right. There were literally cars that lined the highway. It looked like everybody in Newfoundland had come out to the airport because I heard about what happened. And they had never seen that many airliners on the ground in Gander on time you know. Usually one might land there because they have a mechanical problem or something but never that many at one time parking was little tricky for me because I was so late to land That by the time I parked on the general aviation ramp. There was not a lot of room for me to turn that airplane around. So that was a little tricky. What time of day was this when you arrived? I got there at about ten fifteen on the morning of September eleven. And how many hours had you already been in the Air Force? I must eight hours. So what happened after you talked? Well after I parked they came onto the airplane. And said you will not be getting off until tomorrow. So we knew we were there for all day all night and didn't know what time we'd get off on September twelve but so we're on the airplane. Twenty eight hours total wine. We finally deplaned. You're listening to conversations with Richard CIDER. Find out more about the conversations podcast just hit to ABC dot net dot edu slash conversations. Loan Scibilia saying that once. You've you've got the plane on the ground in this field. You would tell that everyone had to stay on the plane for another twenty four hours or thereabouts another day. Why why why? Why why what did enough to stay on the plank? Well the only way they get the passengers to where they were staying. Which you know was everywhere. They only have a total of five hundred motel rooms in all of Gander so they had to be transported to people's houses Schools Churches fire stations. They slept on the fire station floor. They were everywhere but they had to use school buses to transport him and the school bus drivers were on strike man so Once they came off strike was when they started transporting everybody to where they were going to be going so once they were on the grant everyone started to get more information about the Texan. What Heaven and how about you? When did you sort of say this terrifying images of the towers collapsing? It was probably thirty hours after the attacks happen because it wasn't until we actually got to her motel room at the Comfort Inn where we were able to see the images on TV so it was really quite a long time before we saw anything. Not many people who've had bubble funds or certainly not as many now that wouldn't have as many cellphones than back. In that time very few people had a couple of my first class passengers had cell phones which is One that I borrowed actually call home and talk to my husband and we landed at ten fifteen in the morning. I didn't actually talk to him till about four thirty in the afternoon and and there wasn't even a way to charge the cell phones on the airplanes then so everybody was running out of battery power and and and you know there wasn't much communication during that time so everyone's still stuck on the in front of the die. What was the what was the mood in the Kevin? Lock with people getting emotional. Well we were able to open the doors of the airplane. By of course nobody could leave. We had barrier straps and the folks and Gander delivered water neutral grain bars. You know they delivered diapers formula. Everything you can imagine to the airplanes I mean not hot meals or anything like that but You know they they did everything they could even smoking patches because you don't think about the passengers you know who wanna smoke and they can't so they tried to do everything they filled. Two thousand prescriptions and didn't charge a dime forum. Two thousand prescriptions for passengers. Stuck on those plans. Did anyone stop to panic in the cabin? No I had a problem with one light issue from France and she was wanting to send in first class and claiming that she was claustrophobic and The flight attendants had dealt with her for a while and then they came up and got me and asked if I would go back and talk to her which I did and she settled down for a while and she started causing problems again so I called the the mounties and they came on board with handcuffs and they said if you think if you think this triple seven is claustrophobic. Wait till you see the four by four. Sell that we're going to put you if you don't behave and she was. Well behaved the rest time on. Yes so they all. I'm cluster fed by classics for me. Either okay all right so you for more than a day then thereabouts and you would have had enough meals so that people are bringing from Gander bringing meals on board the plane. What about the? What about the toilet situation interesting that you should bring that up because the airplane came to me in Paris? With four of the Eight Lavatories. In Up yes so Fortunately we were not full. The airplane holds two hundred forty-seven passengers. I only have one hundred fifty six on board that day but they the Gander folks were emptying the labs we were on the ground so it really didn't cause any problem at all. Do you feel still responsible for those passengers. Even they'd landed them safely without a doubt. Yes and every day while we were in Gander. I would go over and brief them and not that. I had anything new to tell them because I really didn't. But they wanted face time and because they spoke so many languages I had to take my flight attendants with me. Who who spoke you know French and whatever other language they spoke So we would go over every day just so they can at least see the flight crew and I think that was somewhat comforting for them even though we didn't have a lot of new information to share with them. So what happened when you allowed off the plane into the terminal? When we went to the terminal I was. I think that was the first time that I realized we had land landed in a very unique place and when I saw all the food that they had prepared all night long. I couldn't believe it. They you a plastic bag and said just go. Take anything you want. Just it was like Halloween. You took your plastic bag and you picked up all the food and muffins and fruit and brownies and everything that they had made and because it was early in the morning it was indicative that they had been up all night long. This there was on light on tables or something right now. It wasn't tables of Abel's table food and that was at that was when I realized that we were in a very special place. Was Your Company. American Airlines came to speak with you during this period now had very little communication with American during that time you know they were so busy with our domestic operation and and I suppose Yes yes and we'd lost to airplanes so they had a lot a lot on their plate and and being international airplane. We were able to pretty much handle ourselves. You mentioned that you had taken to a much Eventually strange to be aligned in after all that time in a motel room it was however I traded my room sort of like a command post and I had the room that was closest to the front desk of the Motel and I pretty much left my door open the whole time because you then become a counselor somewhat you know to your flight attendants and crew. I had one flight attendant. Who was missing her ten year old daughters tenth birthday and it doesn't sound like a big deal but it is when you're a mom and so. I was able to talk with my flight attendants about all of that and so we were really comfort to each other. We ate every meal together. We watched the images on TV for the first time together. And I think it was very important that we we share that bond and we went on to share it for the rest of our careers with the airline. Whenever we've flew together you know. Of course you never flew together as a group again but when you flew with each other you knew that you had experienced something as crew that not a lot of others had had gone through. You mentioned that that but on the ground with what thousands and thousands of passengers in this tiny town where on earth with I accommodated heck with the town. Put Him up well. It was a difficult and they had to actually use other little towns in that area because Gander could only handle so many they have total of five hundred motel rooms. And that's it. And so they used places like Gambro and Appleton nores arms. North arms is like two miles away but They had to use every area that could find they went to the Salvation Army Camp. They were everywhere and the school buses transported them. Was everyone confined to the town for the security reasons for while with I the have to stay in town until they could be get security clear. Well we were initially when we got off the airplane. We were registered by the Red Cross and that was very important because they had to keep all the people from each airplane together. You could not defect. You could not leave because if you did they would blow up all the bags so airplane so each airplane had leap with the same people that they came in with that rule of. I'm not sure I don't know the answer that but they did on my mind because I begged them every day not to defect so eventually you flew home on September fifteen. That's four days after the the incident was like to land back in Dallas. And that. Oh boy you know it's It's interesting because during the five days it would have never entered my mind to shed tear. I mean I I was at work. I had a job to do at crude. Manage pastures to manage. Crying wasn't something that ever came across my mind however when I landed in Dallas. I'm rolling down the runway. For whatever reason I turn my head to the right. And I saw the biggest American flag that had been put up between our two terminals. And that's the first time that tears really ran down my cheeks and it was a flag that had never been there before it was the largest flag. I've ever seen and that was when it finally hit me and so when I'm taxing to the gate That was the first time that there was That became emotional for me but it was over then. My job was done. I got my passengers home safe and sound and then in that was when I realized that life for us in the US and really the world had changed forever. Did you take a break fall? Oh no I couldn't wait to get back in the airplane. I was never gonna let those bad guys ruined. I love so much. How did you wild? They were no one was catching plans in the United States. That means that there was a kind of no work for a bit. Then well it. It was very odd time and one of the things that we were asked to do by the chief pilots as to come to the airport in uniform and just walked through the terminal and thank what few passengers there were who were still flying and that was. That was something we had never done before. The airport was almost empty. It was like a ghost town and I fly out of. Dfw are dead at that time which is a very busy huge airport and so to see an empty was very disheartening. And of course all airlines were just bleeding financially. Many of them went out of business Every major airline in the US declared bankruptcy. We were the last of the majors to do so but we did as well and it was a very traumatic time for us and and even when we did fly after that our airplanes were empty. Flying has changed for passengers all over the world since that day. It's different prices. Now's at very different feet papa to it is. I mean you know we used to just walk through security or not even go through security as long as you had an id bad you just bypassed and that for snail We do have some airports that have What is called known crew member and with fingerprints and retinas and all of that so that can be identified as crew members and they can bypass Line since security because that part is terrible for pilots who am flight attendants who are going through constantly. Kevin's a fortress notes isn't it? It has changed and You know for a pilot to just leave the cockpit to go to. The restroom is now an ordeal. You have to call the flight attendant. You have to have a service. Cart brought up to block the passengers from being able to have access to the pilot. So what happens? Is We sit there for a lot longer than we should not asking to. Go back to the restroom because it interrupts the service especially on international flights with the flight attendants and you now have a flight attendant come up to the cockpit you cannot have one. Crew member left there by themselves. So a lot of rules have changed our cockpit. Doors are a bulletproof now and And our security procedures are very different about of course not discussed so I suppose you reached a point in your life where you think. I've seen everything in my career as a pilot. And then you get a phone call saying that someone wants to make a musical about the whole thing billing who would have ever guessed we went back to Gander for the ten th anniversary and I you know I did a lot of interviews with a news people who were looking for five second sound bytes for the evening news and then I learned that there were two playwrights town. They wanted to know if they could interview me. And of course. The interview lasted four hours. And that was it. We went back to Texas once again. Never thought about it again. And four years later we get a call from the producers inviting us to the world premiere opening of Con- from away in La Hoya California and they said remember. The interview didn't course I remember. I said well they've written a musical and my husband and I went to La. Hoya having no idea what we were getting ready to see and your story is at the heart of this this music. No and I didn't even know that you didn't know that when you went to see the show. I didn't know that there had been a song written called me in the sky that chronicles might hole aviation career. I had no idea so this came as a complete surprise to you. Watching the premiere of this musical character on stage cold. Come forward and sing a song. Bet you'll live yes it was astounding. We missed seventy five percent of the first show because after the first five minutes our heads are buried in our hands being. And that's a good thing to see a few more times since. How many times have you seen it? One Hundred Twenty six times. Good exact figures. Yes I said I was going to stop canting after one hundred but people ask me so I I have an exact number one. Twenty Six de recognize the person on stage. That's playing you as you. Oh my gosh she emulates me like you cannot imagine. She has my same mannerisms. She moves like me. She acts like me but I can't sing and I can't dance so I will never fill in for her and she is so wonderful. I met her the very first night before the opening which was the night that we saw it. And I I have just adored her ever since I always say The first cast member. You meet. Who plays your role is kind of like your first boyfriend. You have a very special love for that person. And I feel that way about Jen Cola and now starting to get a few more d'appel gainers they're multiplying so it's been a great experience at House. The musical progressed from its premiere there in California. Well you know it went from at that time in two thousand fifteen from La Hoya to Seattle DC Gander Toronto and then opened on Broadway officially on March twelfth in two thousand seventeen and It has just been phenomenal. It Plays Indefinitely in Toronto with a Canadian. Cast and my husband and I just got back from the opening of the national tour which was in back in Seattle in October and we went to London and opened in the West end in London. a few months ago we were there for that and now we'll be heading to Melbourne for the opening down there so it has been incredible. We've been to twelve. Openings was elected say pain Ganda that was probably one of the most exciting times ever and you have to recognize that it was very important for the playwrights to take it back to the people who the show is about it is really about the people of Gander and most of them will never have the opportunity to go see it. So that's why they wanted to take the show there but they don't have a theater so it had to be done in concert for in the hockey rink. That's where it was played and Well they were on. They created a stage and then each of the actors was standing in front of a microphone. So has done a little different format but the minute. They started singing. I am an island earn. Welcome to the Rock. The people in the audience there were they to performances that twenty five hundred people at each performance. They went wild. You couldn't even hear the actors singing. It was incredible. It was quite an experience and really. I don't think it can ever ever be duplicated. I suppose really. It's a story mainly about them isn't it this. Is they call us? And the way the show gets its name. It's a little bit of a hard name to remember. We were considered. Come from a Weiss if you are not born in Newfoundland you have come from away. So they referred to all of us. The plane people the P. L. A. N. E. People. We were come from a wise. So that's how the show gets. Its name the speaker kind of very interesting form of English. There was little to understand the little bit it is. It is quite unique and they are the kindest people on the planet. I think Canadians. We often think of particularly NAS. People kind of famous for niceness and I suppose there must like that idea that the the the the kindness and they nostitz if you yes they do like it and I would say it even goes more to. An extreme in edgy precede north. Which is where you know. Newfoundland is I mean they. They live on Iraq. They literally live on Iraq and because the winters are so harsh in their life is hard. You know the fishing and all of that that they do. They live a hard life and so they're very connected to the community. They spend a lot of time each other's homes in the winter. They all sing. They played numerous musical instruments and they're very very family oriented than have much but they gave you will. They had they did. I used to flying badly. I have and that is the best part I got the job. I fly a jet. That's privately owned today and I got up because the musical force one is only a small jet and it's beautiful and and the other pilot I fly with has a daughter who's really into Broadway shows and she had heard about come from oil and she called her dad said you know Beverly Bass and he said Oh yes of course I do. We were hired in October of seventy six at American at the same time. So we've known each other for over forty years so we crew the jet together. It's been grand speaking with you. Billion thank you so much thank you. It's an honor to be here A. Spoke with beverly in twenty nine hundred. Armored should thanks for listening You've been listening to a podcast of conversations with Richard Fidler for more conversations interviews. Please go to the website. Abc Dot net dot slash conversations. Discover more great. Abc. Podcasts live radio and exclusives on the ABC Listen Up.

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Remembering Lindsay Petten, and safeguarding the sea he loved

The Current

17:06 min | 10 months ago

Remembering Lindsay Petten, and safeguarding the sea he loved

"The one Saturday morning in June nineteen ninety nine. Fifteen year olds charmian on devel- disappeared and never came home. No one has ever been charged with her murder but there was a suspect. Never Mike Him. I'm Michelle Shepherd this season on uncover. I don't recall making that com okay. That's fine if you don't recall it but I'm telling you that's what you told me. Uncover Sherman available now. Wherever you get your podcast. This is a CBC podcast. I'm Matt Galloway. This is a podcast from the February twentieth edition of the current. He's a factory cruiser when he's sixty total large amount of space a lot of moving around and then we still got that protected area in the upfront. And the cody along with the cab. She got somewhere nice and warm to warm up after dive and he got lots of deck space as well. Just go trash and still gear and it's up for vote is great This is Nick Paton Import Degrade Newfoundland and the boat. He's telling us about catcher the day by the House as a kid play into all the time become a symbol for his. Life's greatest loss fond memory so it was picking up going out and in the truck with them on the red gooseneck trailer. We had to time and rigging up police to get aboard two days before Christmas Nick and his father Lindsay went scuba diving for holiday scallops. And then something went terribly wrong for reasons. That are still unknown. Lindsey who is just forty six at the time died under the water during the dive. Lindsey Patent was one of Newfoundland's top fishermen and he cared so deeply for the sea that sustained him and his crew that went to extremes to keep it. Clean MC patent is with me in Saint. John's and as you're about to hear sometimes loss can blossom into something beautiful in this case. It's a gift Nick. Good Morning. Good Morning I'm sorry for what you've been through thank you. It is hard to put it in words but it's it's still fresh but it it's at the same time it's I know it's going to scare but it's we're getting through it. Tell me about your dad. Oh it it's hard to describe especially knowing that for the most part you gotta sometimes you just gotTa meet a person to really get any sense of who they are but with dad it. The things that I come to mind would be patients which you had a lot of raising me and my little brother and my little sister but Patience kindness. Yeah he loved the C o. The the C- He loved US and his family and this gave him a way to provide for me. My mom my little brother. My little sister and that's to be honest. That's where that love stems from. But it's not only that I think about some stuff on mom talks about with with him and have how we'd always go on sailing trips together as a family like couple of Christmases ago this where we spent it then. South actually and between the between the boat in the bay sailing trips With the family and just being down on wharf being down on the docks down by our building down with the fishing gear. It's Weird Dad was the happiest he did a lot to protect the mentioned that he worked To try and keep that water clean. What did he do a whole lot but not a whole lot he he never went out in search of it. He never went out with that being a main objective. What things with dad? It's when it comes out. It's just a sense that his attitude towards the issue of Basically leaving no trace leaving no impact and it almost just stemmed from his general attitude that he had in terms of the basic concept. And idea that you can't control other people's actions you can only really control your own. It's just the little things for one. He'd he'd never leave something out there unless it was absolutely dire as a last resort and then not only that but like he was the skipper that would go ahead and he deviate off course or forty five minutes to pick up a balloon that was marked by of another boat not not ours but one of different vessel that end up coming off of their fishing gear and floating off. I remember one time. There is a set of balloons to let off a bit of crab care and he'd he'd watched radar. I see if it was attached to anything he'd give it a track and if would move. He No isn't attached to anything so we'd alter course go out and retrieve it and that type of stuff happened a lot whether it was that or a lobster trap that had to wait could come out of it and basically float back up to the surface going up to. Bay. We've picked that up before temps that covers crab boxes but not only that but then also when we fish a lot about would go ahead and anything a decomposable or would breakdown they toss over dad always had the attitude of. Why would we do that? We have space on board stowed away and put it in the proper means dispose when we got home. I guess when we're trying to say is that dead down a lot in terms of his conscience like his conscious efforts like and his decisions that he made and really when it comes down to it. That's what it means to make a difference. He said this is still raw What what can you tell us about the day that he died? It's surreal the think about it. It is but that day basically it happened towards the end of dive will. We're coming up for a safety stop and we were both at the same death row. Only probably ten feet below the surface and I was only an arm's length away from dead end to us when things went south. But it's just the fact that in in those seconds said mine my brothers my sisters and my mom's life with all just turned upside down and there's something that we're never going to have what we had before we're never gonNA get dead back but At this point is just basically learning learning to learn. You get used to the new normal which is going to be heard and then basically learning. I. I mean we're never gonNA to fill in. Dad's has footsteps because to say he was a remarkable man was an understatement and his work ethic was that of no other person. I know but it's IT'S A. It's a large set of shoes to fill and I. I know that we're not gonNA come close to do on doing that. We're not we're not gonNA fill them at this point. We're just trying to get by. After he died he was described as a role model People People I. It sounded like a remarkable man in the community recognized that. I'm just wondering that this is a terrible thing to go through and and little things may or may not help. It does hearing that hearing what he meant not just to you but also to the community. Does that help it do? Yeah but at the same time it's growing up. I knew it dad was marketable man. I mean I don't have any memories of my father getting upset which is something that I'm super fortunate and Super Lucky to be able to say I mean dad was such a gentle warm loving man and I it's people to like at his funeral and stuff that people that we didn't even know beforehand but they came up to us and they were. They were like oh he'd he waved to us when he went for his runs in the morning with her with this when I'm home it's five dogs but He He'd be He'd be running with this Entourage of Canines and People say oh he'd stop and talk to me every morning and like just make me feel loved make me feel like it is just basically the energy that he brought with him and it was nothing. It was nothing besides positive one Saturday morning. In June nineteen ninety nine fifteen year olds charming and on Devel- disappeared in never came home. No one has ever been charged with her murder but there was a suspect. Never how long come in like him. I'm Michelle Shepherd this season on uncover. I don't recall making that Com. That's fine if you don't recall it but I'm telling you that's what you told me. Uncover Sherman available now. Wherever you get your podcast you're talking about the boat catcher the day and you've decided to donate that boat to somebody that our listeners might remember. Listen I grew up here new flan spend a lifetime in and on water and everybody that I know may living off the ocean reading my father my grandfather McGregor grandfathering and to see people just blatantly disrespecting something that fed them and gave me entertainment and just gave away a life. These years definitely are bringing me Sean. Bath he was on the program last month. He's a diver who Figures that these lugged away about twenty thousand pounds of trash from the bottom of the sea. He's done this as we talked about on his own. In the freezing water in this wetsuit. That's kind of glued together and occasionally leaks in some of that cold water and he wrote us to tell us about your donation and he's been listening in Sean. Good morning to you. Good Morning Matt. When did you first see catch the day a year and a half and we'll probably was dragged name to Puerto agreed to look at the boat center because they know me know I love spending time. Run all the big boats and everyday. Joe Pass this foot boat catch to the day and I kind of noticed that it wasn't being used for wall so I pull you got to look at it. And then nick came by there and we started talking for a bit and I asked him who was for sale and he said not really but he said he would check in with his dad. See if he would consider selling it or whatever they weren't using it and they look what I was doing so but A year and bar. We still really never had funds to buy that boat and One day I got a message from Nick asked me to give them a call and wasn't certainly wasn't expecting him to be donating. Vote to me. he Said to me that he had some old rope gear and stuff that he might want to donate and knowing the ordeal that he just went through losing his dad. I thought well okay. Maybe he's GonNa be donating. Some Day has his own. Possibly I honestly after seeing that seeing what he had to go through. I didn't think he'd ever be diving anymore. And when I got down here. He said to me he's noise. I kinda liked the about the role in the gear donation he said and I each a holden I said. Well what are you got from it? And and he said what about that boat or any point you'd have earned only said about hug it. Big almost what are you say? Somebody don't eat something worth thirty. Grand Jury Nick. Why did you do that? Why did you decide you wanted to donate the we were driving back after it happened? We construct some time as a family just US. We went up to a cabin and after the gender the week. Over-long out there. We were heading home and it. It just came to my mind on the drive back Just said mom that that boat you that Catches Day. I was like do you. Would you mind defy offer that to sean and I was kind of thing like okay? We'll think about it and it was. I mean at that point in our lives. I was the least of concerns but it was kind of type of thing I said like okay like a kind of establish. I've been thinking about that and we kind of let it go and just to pick up on another day and I just recently had to come back home from Up in Labrador where I'm going to school and basically I use an opportunity. No things are Kinda. Things are far from moved on and our family and very from but it was just a chance of basically brought it up again kind of saw the opportunity. That would be a good time to maybe present SEAN WITH THAT. So it's just the fact that it never really left me. After Sean was down that day asking about what did you. What did your dad think of what John was up to Holland is trash like Superhero editor? The editor the bottom of the sea with tires on his arms. I always Nevada shines project to dad on a boat. Offshore fish with them as well. Like on my Off Season during the summers but we always used to talk to him and show him patriots with John was doing and like is Initiative that he has started it was to the point. That like Dad Dad would say All I got. I got some rope here. I got some Stuff if the so and so. Don't come get that or so so don't want Thatta. Don't buy that. Maybe you should see if your Buddy Sean. Sean might want to come crab that John. My take seven some use for it. How's this GonNa Change? What you do sean. This bowl is one of the big items we needed. And it's GONNA put us on the water in a much more safe and efficient way of cleaning up ring. Come this spring. Must get everything else. Me Need for the boat. We're going to have three divers. In two tenors. More DEB OATEN rather than had to swim two three hundred yards with a wrote my hand. I can just jump off the boat and go straight down and Toyota cars and stuff and the skipper. Whoever's board voting attender will pull the tar is up to the surface rather than me swim back two hundred years five or six cars Americans? What's next this keeps building and building when we had this conversation a little while ago on the program. The response that we got from listeners. It was overwhelming people were so gratify but what you're doing and felt as though there had to be some way that they could get involved in this. What's what's the next up for. Well the next step for me is like I said want to get this boat. Gone and start doing this summer with a team of divers and we're going to videotape or going to fill irving and Palani Internet for everyone to see what we're doing because I firmly believe once people see amount of trash we're taking underwater. Our funding issues will be over. People are going to see what we're doing our capabilities and they're gonNA want to help make sure we do this on a much bigger scale. 'cause there's so much money being spent right now in environmental protection and ocean cleanup Not showing results so I think she would ring but we for very long very so we can ensure results which just gotTa get to Gary Need. Nick What do you think your dad would have made this? It gives Sean tool that in a way is GonNa let him take care of something. A dead loved so much and I think he he'd it's just hard to herd to think about what what he would have to say about this. He wouldn't expect us. He wouldn't like the attention now but Yeah he'd like to see us and then I'm sure he'd be proud to see The work that is going to be done out of the both by Sean and basically impact is GonNa make because I I know me for one. I believe that it's huge and by Nick and hopefully myself as well definitely you're GONNA get. I mean you're going to go on one of One Sean Stein. Oh I'm itching to get back in the water I'll be taken a little bit slowly. He's myself into it but I'm definitely Ansi to get on board that boat and go for a dive with John. Definitely I just like for the fishermen in new Flan to understand that we need their help cleaning this mess. All these guys are are the ones who got the gear. They got the knowledge. They got the the motivation for so we need so many fishermen as possible. Come onboard with us Hopefully we can get them out and get funding for them to go. Dragging these go underwater and even possibly cleanable up all the harbours new wars. This is a terrible story In terms of what happened to your family but The generosity that you've shown in the wake of that is really quite something And I appreciate you telling us all about it. Yeah well I mean if anything. It's it's a little bit of positivity that can come of everything that happened to us could on UNIX. Thank you thank you and shot and keep up the good work. Thanks thanks man Sean. Bath is the founder of the Clean Harbors Initiative Newfoundland and Labrador thus far to mostly one man operation to clean up the harbors of his province. Nick Paton is donating his family's boat to Sean in memory of his dad. Lindsey for more. Cbc PODCASTS GO TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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Episode 2: Young Professionals in the Tech Space

Dig Into Tech

20:18 min | 1 year ago

Episode 2: Young Professionals in the Tech Space

"You're listening to dig into tech ipod costs for my mind or we explode current trends discuss what industries heading and discover how to make mine better. Hi everyone thanks for tuning into episode two young professionals in the tech space in this episode. We catch up with lacquer mining towns race giants and Jacob. What to discuss the recent internship with my mind and the challenges of being a young professional in the tech space. We saw for the easy questions easy questions. Of course if you just tell me Your name what your study. So My name's Jacob and currently on studying a double degree at university with Matrix engineering and computer sites trillion. Join me at the moment. I'm race giants and also studying computer science also at curtain and yeah. It's good that yeah. We actually doing like a similar degree actually knew from high which is interesting yes. They went to the same hustle together and for play modes electrics and stuff back in high schools governors stellar. You see like Woodridge Kind of Newfoundland. Since we know many people can say they've had a friendship that that lows awesome. How do you enjoying you great drake? I'm really looking at the moment. there's also a variety. I think between the different units and during the dough degree. Gives you lots of varieties so you might be working on a circuit one day and then working on assimilation another day and then actually programming something other day so it's always a little variety? Which is really interesting. I think a lot I think. Jake is having more fun than also less via the same time. Yeah a is just sort of what it is is. It's obviously I enjoy science but I don't think it's as exciting as some engineering in its Kennedy Yes somewhat. Some of the units could a bit of work to do this bit. Tricky and extensive. Yeah my brother started off doing decides degree at. I think he doesn't enjoy studying so he likes joke. Pretty Quick Yeah. I think it's candy. Clotted challenging toby. You passionate about sometimes exactly and only one other had like it's challenging but making it challenging also allows you to actually so when you encounter something industry you know how to solve because they've been there before the on that so that helps out as well. Yeah I think so. I'm quite a few things. Avoided my degree directly. Translate over which has been really great. Awesome thing that mind. How like what? Year you guys at university some of my second year at the moment. I'm doing my first year. Computer Science units because the first year of engineering is just Just just only engineering stuff. Never five years still got a while to go so another threes. But you're getting there and shouldn't Yeah No. I'm only my first year. Well I started Last semester last year. But I'm basically in line with the first is this year and so is the next step. Do you feel like. You're getting quite early with your. Your internship is most students in your cost doing the same thing or you have gained that sense. I think we're a bit ahead. I'm not to to show how many people are getting internships kind of first year second year. A few of my mates are slowly starting to pick up work But often especially with engineering this kind of expectation that you'll only be getting work four fifty and so it's really great to pick this early. You quite a bit. Which is really fantastic. Yeah I think similar in just computer. Science I think most Companies in the industry want you to have the foundations Down sign first year. I don't think many people have work in the industry yet hopeful actually Oscar to assume proven gala Cillizza the kind of foundations that you might learn first year. We've already almost under our belts so it is. It's good to go into a workplace and stuff even though you learn a bit you've also got the fundamentals from just working on a personal projects. Private sales possible private. Fill they starting to integrate more. It's really great because it's such a large part of like a society nowadays is knowing how to control computer and integrating more into different learning environments. People interested rather than just good university. Think often ought to do so good people who've lost okay. Cool sorry how. You mentioned quite early to be getting any tissue. How did you end up with like minded? Where did you meet us? Actually with McMahon at this event code wwl architects called handle the business side which is almost like a on a reverse peach where businesses kind of pitch their business and try to get developers to like. I guess apply for jobs there and so I went to there and I saw mark there and also had a really interesting take stuck and the kind of groundbreaking technology eastern would really interesting. So I on how to chat and I applied for a job off loops and ends up getting an internship with happy about. But that's how I ended up meeting with mcdermot There was I think it was either with A. Yeah Yeah Yeah a little bit slow trying to pitch for I think C. Plus plus development. There's not too much of that talent. Perth so yeah. Because I've worked with us for a while so it's good to kind of have this link-up executor. Elite program is going to be definitely fingers crossed. Say you always be different. No I stir. After Jacob got his first Jobs and offers. I was also thinking maybe I could get a similar thing and I went to the curtain careers. Expert and Jake was the and micro mind was also. So Jacob introduced me to micro mind and they were like yeah. Send through Raising mate and all that and I did and yes. That's pretty much how I got the job but the black men to you in a way but it was a two way at the end. Yeah that's good tonight. That way out in the universities don't notice good at these events. Was that first time. We had my mind or heavy loss before that. That was actually the first time I've heard of before it was really interesting. I never really considered the needful an engineering products which helps geologists surveyed land and stuff because only for that process in mining. But I on the hood of it was. It's yes same here. I didn't really heard of Many people in the industry at all actually so yeah. First Time Save me. I'd never heard of that unlock. You said you're really sort of forget that there's a need for that the mining stay striffler again unless you're any destroyed early though Coup say. How had you found the internship from really great been able to use? New Technologies have never used before and learn about and as well as using new technologies also learning how to apply existing technologies to a totally different sector. Which is the mining sector has been really interesting so before this I was working in the gaming sector for a little bit and on those really interesting smell. You know getting the kind of saying how that same technology can be applied to. Industries has been really interesting so you have really really enjoyed sofa. Yeah I think it's just been a big Introductory and learning experience for me because like Jacob City head is other job doing software previously whereas I haven't so Yeah it's just been a lot of learning Which obviously is great. Because you know this this sort of thing I want to do in the future so yeah just shot Kinda Day. Who has been your biggest support throughout your time. Here's a specific person. Who helps you advocate teams or is it the whole month? Monte? Yeah I think for me. It's been the like the development team have been really great in getting new painful and incorporating them into the whole social life at microwave which has been real good. So you know. Just going to walk savvy gesturing. I think the entire development team has been really embrace the new interns with openness has been really good. Yes exactly yeah. Obviously the whole team is great. But I've to Bring out mock her specifically yeah. He's sort of being the one that was Helping me from the start to like figure out what's going on and If I use I typically good him pissed the him but he's been really great about it. Yes that's great good. He makes book yet. Connect more with on peasants. Little I understand how you working in. It's easier to go to them. Visit say make sense and have you had any luck lowlights or highlights and you can be as negative or positive as you as you want. Yes so this is kind of strange highlight of had an issue like the other day and I saw I looked at ticket and the IT person. I think almost like fifteen minutes to respond ticket and then the entire thing was closed within forty minutes and that was such a fast turnaround time compared to experiences of how companies where you might look at ticket and then you might awake two weeks until a finally gets resolved which has been really helpful. So sing how fossil. It teams respond to incidents. Says it's been really impressive so I think that's definitely the highlight of my time here. Yeah not the BOWL TRIP. Some Nice volume what the biggest fan of public office the. Straw which is good my mind. Yeah as full highlights probably have been working on the licensing website as well Which has been interesting from a technology standpoint because it's written in Python Which I've come to really like now working through that You just do a lot of great things in there and learning about how like large-scale things are done in patent and all the things you can do. Is You just being really cool? Yeah that's been pretty pretty fun today but then once you stop you have this love. Hate relationship with the first Har- looked us like. Oh my God what's happening but now I sort of and getting into understanding it. Do you feel like you as an individual making a specific impact to the table to my mind. Twenty twenty. Maybe yeah actually. It's been really great so one of the things I worked on before. Um was with the lesson software. That has been working on and creating a dashboard. So that You know the kind of manages software manages company could look and say okay so this is how many people have been using the software or this is how many people that have adopted this new batteries. And it's actually helped quite a bit with the new Martin Monday. So it's really great to say you'll software being put into use by people at the company which has been really good and the moment is a new method for grading visual hopefully give more values rock customers because I will generate grid son foster with different methods. So that's been really interesting as well. Yes saying how you can help your customers and hope your company has been really great. That's been put into trees anyway. It's lower saved. Think is probably the second thing that I worked on Here like at all was On the licensing website Page Where you can see all the downloads for the different product builds and that sort of thing Which sounds kind of boring but now I see In the emails and Whatnot Scott. Sorta mentioning every now and then like. Oh yeah on now. New Download page. You can get this bill down like yeah. That was what I did so that was pretty cool. Hey listen I'll get excited with people. Click on my posts and things. It was the same thing actually. Download it something that you did. You lost obese. Exactly and in terms of like young professionals in industry he gets challenging on full of students in your space think that can be challenging. I think the biggest Maybe advice I would give is probably put yourself out there and go to industry events because that's the way you'll find a lot of the people the Industry. You're not going to find anything by maybe sitting at home websites. You'RE GONNA find a lot more opportunities by you're going out to events so I found that helpful also having personal projects when you're interested in something you're always on maybe going to bring home and I'll give that a go. Maybe so passion Bob. Personal projects have found really. Good bye to loan as well so say that can be difficult but maybe a few things than makes everything allies. Yeah yeah that's true. I think I like your point about the projects is bogus developers in particular. During like on social settings is sometimes if they have some work on Maybe with a group of young professionals they feel more comfortable with us. Space and helps develop something that you know. You see other people being used as well which is also gives you that set of section. Don't have anything to add really just sort of Echo Jacobson. Yes device it. I'm so maybe the best events goodbye to connect not necessarily always talk networking and things like that. You're exactly and even those half the time. There's free food as well so even if you don't match talked to anyone they still get a bit of a win win situation. I think Apple. Today's exactly what does the have been for. You D think that you continue with mind wants the intended shoot. I'm not sure Internship Gospel. Do you think they'll be a spicy? You can continue development here you else so enjoy welcome sofa a haven't up my options here but I definitely think that working. Mom has opened up a huge pathway into the mining industry and having that industry experience with a software that's already been developed. Mind has been really helpful in actually Getting the game experience in that sector. Yeah I think specifically for my case being my first job in the industry. There's definitely opened up Pathways into really just getting any jobs in the industry because First Year maybe a companies will consider me more now that I have some experienced but I'm not really sure where I wanna go exactly for now. Oh probably just stay with my mind and then eventually probably move on see other areas. You know figure out what I want to do that. Kim My seventy three exactly. Yeah because I mean development is. It's Pretty Universal. Even though you're applying to different industries when you write code that code to me pretty much anywhere so that's a school that you can really take anywhere on which is great so yeah. Let them with his. He'll that's his cross industry in a bunch of different industries so you can kind of move those schools to different sectors as well my question like do you have a specific like Passan idol of the industry that you like look up to or if he can make anyone you loved me that occurred or Maybe someone who created something that you really yeah. I'm not sure if there's anyone specifically in this industry that really excites me about. I'd say one person probably eight engineer on the police say the same thing Elon. Musk is pretty cool. Making Tesla and SPACEX and all these other cool engineering solutions is really interesting as well as the whole autonomous car section of things with test also Il. Musk if you're watching this right now. Response Bird. They'll probably say that. You know there are lots of people that are done. Impressive things in I guess. Computer Science Industry with Donald Booth the bureau. Yeah I I guess you could say so. They really controversy. Celek Linus to Yeah courtesy of Lennox. Yeah I guess he would be. Cool to mate yeah. I didn't think I really have any idols specifically that you want to make some controversial questions go and do you have a favorite philosophy that you like to revive autism favorite quite about Telugu Hub Christian favorite philosophy. I think maybe one philosophy that I'd like to live by every day is I guess self-improvement so doesn't have to be all along like one avenue like you don't have to just spend every day and night trying to get the union trying to win to be the best pergram about kind of exploring personal fitness and learning new skills and meeting new friends trying to be a little bit better the next day. Then you were the previous. I'M GONNA try to applaud him on in life and may be pretty happy yeah exactly deserve more breadth of different things to do. I'm not really sure I'm not good with like quite so manches anything. Maybe just like trying to find. It's the like hominy within yourself and so like just just you know going with it and being okay with Like what's happening and what's happening with the you know and yes. So that comes to self-improvement Jay. Thanks for listening to dig into Tech. Podcast you can subscribe or listen to more episodes on any map or head to www. Don't mind dot com slash podcast. We can also found lick. Didn't facebook youtube twitter. But you can email us at knocking at my combine dot Com Phoenix time.

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