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Will Newfoundland turn on Trudeau this time?
"If Canada's government is going to change hands on October twenty first we will get the first sign of it on election night in Newfoundland Finland and Labrador yes part of that is because the polls out east close earlier than anywhere else in the country but it's not the only reason this province as as a whole is often pretty red and stop me if you've heard this before in two thousand fifteen it was completely red trudeau and the liberals currently own all seven seats and as much as Newfoundlanders may be disappointed by some of the things that liberals have ever more accurately haven't done in their province. A repeat of the last selection is not out of the question. So what can the other party say to flip a few of those seats and send a sign things are changing what have liberals failed to deliver deliver that their opponents can capitalize on what do newfoundlanders need they aren't getting and which riding in this province is the most likely to be a harbinger Brynjar of what's to come on election night Jordan Keith Rawlings and this is the big story. David Vidmar is the legislative reporter for the Saint John's telegram in Newfoundland where we head for our latest in our lay of the land series the Saint John's telegram is part of the Salt Wire Fire Network Hi David. How's it going. It is going very well. Thank you for joining us from the East Coast. How is the grand experiment of democracy going out there. Well things are I mean changes changes. The norm. I think is a is a quite frequently in Newfoundland Labrador typically. We just came out of a provincial election which is back on back on. May Sixteenth where there was this massive liberal majority where they had thirty one seats in the provincial legislature and that has cut down to twenty which gives them a one seat edge over the you know over the opposition parties and whatnot so that was a that was a big moment obviously for us out here to see that amount of seats being cut down in Atlantic Canada. Generally I mean there's been there's been I it's only Nova Oh Scotia that hasn't gone to gone to the polls fairly recently they went back in two thousand sixteen you know but but we're seeing the Greens obviously making some eat some interesting in roads and whatnot in an and in an MP and New Brunswick they didn't quite formed government but my God did they come close so you know being close to the water being close to you know relying so much a natural resources. I think is is starting to rear. Its head just a little bit here on the East Coast. What are the chances that you're provincial election earlier. This year is a microcosm of what will happen to the federal liberals in Newfoundland and Labrador which were a complete sweep last time yeah and that's always the question you know. How much can we really read it into provincial politics to federal politics. you know it's it's. It's it's not a one to one ratio. There's we'll see how that plays out but I I wrote a story. Worry about this. about you know we can have of course online that talking to pollster. Don Mills Search Area Whatnot and the way that he phrased in terms of whether or not the liberals can sweep across Atlantic on to Canada with all thirty two seats He said that there's zero percent chance that happened on October hangover twenty so couldn't really be more more definitive than that a you know there and in Newfoundland Labrador everyone is kind of pointing at Saint John's east as as really Kinda main battleground. Perhaps even the only battleground. I think the Liberals will still see some success here in Oakland lambreau because we I have never in our history sent sent no liberals. There's has always been at least one liberal. That's insane from Labrador to up to Ottawa but we've sent all seven easier as liberals at twice in our history so there might I don't to be one opportunity Lucy. you know an interesting thing about about. Saint John's is that it's a direct rematch from two thousand sixteen election Harris Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's it's a one to one Nick Whale on it is the incumbent and in two thousand fifteen he beat Jack Harris who was a he was first elected in nineteen eighty seven that he lost real quick in the in the election after that and then he was years for the as the DP leader in the province and became the d. n. p. once again. I believe in two thousand eight hundred I elected and and now they're just having another crack at it. You know in John's east. I remember Canada conventional wisdom at the time which I guess didn't turn out to be completely wise was saying that Saint John's was was the most safe seat in the country for the new Democrats on the federal scale and then you so yeah yeah there was another really tight race so at the time in two thousand fifteen Ryan cleary was was was the incumbent for the MVP going up against the shameless regan whose name we all know much more on the federal a federal thing these days so any kind of went all in on Ryan cleary and maybe kind of forgot about it was just a little bit but this around it does not look like they are forgetting about checkers. You know Jagmeet facing was here before the election was even called so they really seem to be kind of investing there so you know in this province if any district is going to not be liberal liberal by the time October twenty first. It's probably John's east but you know nick. Whale is not going to go down without a fight no question about that so what makes Newfoundland and Labrador because we're doing this with all of the provinces what makes Newfoundland Labrador different from the other Atlantic provinces first of all but from from voters and the rest of the country to the biggest thing for us is that most of the people who live in Newfoundland Labrador live on the island of Newfoundland and most of us who live in Newfoundland live on kind of the northeast avalon which which is you know I'm I'm speaking to you from Saint John's right now which is really about as like it. If you're going to look at what the geography tells you it's as though everyone in on the island roofing like gathered as far away from mainland Canada as humanly possible which is essential for something but yeah which you know we'll we'll get back to that one but the fact that we are such big island really doesn't make us unique. I guess be is obviously an island is in the it's in the name but we you know we really are massive expensive land with a with a with a relatively small population by five hundred twenty five thousand people according in the two thousand sixteen sentences counter counted here and one particular thing that makes us unique across the country is that that population is going down the demographics of Newfoundland Labrador. We are getting older faster than anybody else. I believe that the the average population or the average age of newfoundlander right now is like forty six years old and by twenty forty. That's GonNa that's GONNA go up to above above fifty yeah. It's you know so we're getting older and the fertility rate is is is downward. We're dying faster than we are being born for one thing and then on top of that to oil downturn turn in say twenty two thousand fourteen twenty fifty and really really hit this province hard we in the last provincial budgets and twenty eighteen. We made a billion dollars off oil and gas. Ask and you know that's that's all guests are inter. Inter the royalties one for the government you know and that's on a pretty average price of oil. You Know Beckon Twenty before early two thousand twelve twenty fourteen or something like that. was you know we're looking at over one hundred dollars for a barrel also so my God we had money and now we don't so we have people people who are literally dying and not being replaced and people are leaving so the demographic challenges for Newfoundland Labrador really what's it's top of mind. I think that at this point. How does that impact what voters want from their government. What are they looking for right. Now that other younger younger more prosperous provinces might not well. This is a maybe a little bit of Jason here but but but but the main thing that we're looking for I think right now is is support from the federal government when it comes to Muskrat falls because that's the other thing that makes particularly unique in the country you know we talk about large hydroelectric dams you. I heard a sightsee and whatnot but but Muskrat falls was started by the provincial government or sanctioned in two thousand ten and at the time that the the sanction to the to the population or the the number that was put out there for the cost was six point two billion dollars. Not You know not a small chunk of change at the time for a prophet to five hundred thousand people now. It's twelve point seven billion dollars and there's a real risk that electricity bills in this province are going to double as a result of this and you you know the provincial government people were trying to work in trying to figure out how to how to prevent that from happening and one of the direct ask that. I think it was a little while ago. The finance minister just made a direct call just before the election actually the finance minister. Tom Osborne made a direct call to all party. Leaders saying we need money. We need about two hundred million dollars a year from the federal government a direct federal subsidy to Newfoundland Labrador's power bills in addition to about another half billion dollars annually that the that the province is going to have to come up with on its own court to try to to try to keep electricity rates down but but you know we need a commitment of two hundred million dollars from the federal government and so far none another federal leaders have kind of explicitly committed to that outside of saying you know we commit to working with Newfoundland Labrador on this particular issue so that I think think is kind of the biggest barrel on that. We're staring down so to speak right now that we need the federal government to help out on what about the things that the liberals promised would would help Newfoundland and Labrador back in two thousand fifteen you mentioned that may be only one of the seven seats there is really endanger of flipping to Newfoundlanders feel that that they've delivered in any sense on on what you were hoping for well they have and they haven't the funny thing about covering federal elections in duplan. Labrador is that you know we're sure we've only been in Canada for seventy years more so you know we we only have seven seats. We only have half million people so you know oh comfortable election time. We don't tend to hear a lot of really kind of detailed promises that are specific to Newfoundland and Labrador here one of the things that the liberals did come through on was there was a search and rescue center here in St John's that was closed down under the Harper government and shortly after the liberals gained end they went ahead and reopened opened that one so you know with the province as large an enormous has nine laboratories and Lord knows how cold North Atlantic is out there that was a search and rescue is a big deal here because we still have a lot of people on the water that was a commitment that they did follow through on and went there but one thing that they did not follow through on. That's playing out at this moment. Moment is is hesitant with municipal wastewater. There's a river head wastewater facility. I won't get to down in the weeds on this one but basically just you know in two thousand twelve there were some rules are brought in to say that you need to bring wastewater standards up to a certain amount and that means. There's going to be upgrade so just joking down here in two thousand fifteen and said hey look at that thing. We're going to give you two hundred billion dollars. That number just keeps popping up with something about two hundred million dollars really really popular but he committed that money that I was gonna come here and and when he was here about two weeks ago he committed that money again because it's not done and it's not just John but here's this concerns with the municipal wastewater one of there's places all across the province so we're facing the same same issue of raw sewage just being dumped into lakes. It happens here here in in in a number of municipalities because the municipalities don't have the the money themselves to do these expensive upgrades and the federal government hasn't put in hasn't put in their share at this point quite frankly so so you know in terms of what promises haven't have happened to and we're still going to wait and see what happens with with yet another province on wastewater that we got from trudeau ago so it's there's a there's a lot of reasons that I think that the federal elections take a little bit of a backseat here a Newfoundland Labrador because we're it quite frankly not as engaged in its by the you know by the way the parties who are running their largely due to how how far away we we are how small we are so we don't really get a lot of attention is what it comes down to well that was going to be my next question. Anyway is a lot of this election so far has been defined by scandal candle. I buy a SNC level and obviously men by the Liberals Bernird some opposition research about multiple conservative candidates and then of course course Trudeau's Brown face and black face scandal and from where we sit in Toronto it can feel that that dominates so I'm always interested in in more remote I would provinces that have more specific needs if that's a deciding issue for people or are we kind of an immediate bubble. I mean I think it matters to people you know. We're we're. We're seeing some of the national polls one at that. Don't seem to so much of a tick here and there for Trudeau. He's seen a dip. It was on the national scale. It's been written about and talked about plenty here in Newfoundland and Labrador but but the thing about Newfoundland Labrador and Atlantic Canada in general is that we we are really really white like I think it's ninety. The most diverse province I take from the twenty. Eleven cents is so we recognize. This isn't the most up to date number but according to the to the twenty eleven cents is the most diverse province in Atlantic Canada was Nova Scotia at at ninety. One percent white white or Caucasian candidate is is is you know we're we're primarily there there so a lot of people that I spoke to locally are suggesting that Oh asking why is this a big deal there and it's it's because we don't have a lot of people living in this part of the world that have you know an experience with black face racism of an understanding why that is such a such a problem you know and as such a racist action there so in that particular scandal in terms of in terms of how it matters you know. It's definitely going to take you know take votes while I mean I don't know and how can you really say anything definitively but but but I mean I can't imagine that it's not going to move the needle. But how much is it going to move the needle you know for people who maybe aren't super duper engaged in federal politics to begin with who don't have a symbol oh of lived experience to the people who who might have been directly affected and offended by this and then to some of the people who I've spoken to from you know from from progressive organizations and whatnot here in the province. They're saying forget about that. Let's talk about you know about a transportation institution into infrastructure. You know about about jobs. Those are the things that are going to matter to round newcomers one out of here so obviously it's complicated. Obviously there's a whole lot to it but it is jack error is going to win. Saint John's because Justin Trudeau mates really really really really really bad decisions back in the day probably probably not but you know but but jobs elsewhere well what could have him winning Saint John's east. If there was I mean you've mentioned money for for wastewater but if there were other issues that conservatives offenders share is coming to newfoundland before the election and he's promising missing things that would actually move the needle for Newfoundlanders. What's he saying. It should be something about Muskrat falls. You know once again about about federal support worked there. You know it. It's it's a provincial lead project but it was but there was a two point nine billion dollars in loan guarantees that were guaranteed by the federal government so the federal government has their finger in that you know has has a role to play their you know if if he were to come down and say do not worry about your electricity rates we got us and that's not even specific the sheer. That's that's. That's where everybody any party leader. If they're gonNA save you know don't worry we will bail you out. Hey money helps. Always you know yeah yeah. Sometimes you gotta see the Federal Government opened up the box dreams or over the strings. I need to say and we haven't seen it. You know we I ask them directly. Ah You know about it so that's the big issue because as it stands right now if people's electricity rates do double than people are literally in Newfoundland and Labrador Obrador in Canada in two thousand nineteen you're going to have people who are going to be choosing between heat and food you mentioned off the top one talking about Atlanta candidate in general that you you know the green parties made huge inroads in Pi and Atlantic Canada in general and I just wonder are they a presence in Newfoundland and I know the MVP has previously been a presence in Newfoundland Finland but all around the rest of the country were increasingly talking about a two party race and is there any chance of a third party playing spoiler in Newfoundland will the Green Party the funny thing about the Green Party not here I believe they do have a seven candidates or if not they have you know five or six. I'm not sure off the top of my head here but the Green Party is kind of nonstarter in Newfoundland Labrador in terms of their interests of their popularity because they have they haven't expressed anti-seizure hunt stance in their products out that they oppose the seal hunt and obviously the seal hunters is he's controversial here and there but in this province we supported in this province province is it's hunters or going out on the ice and taking what's there naturally you know and maybe with well primarily with guns the image that you see see their on screen white coats that are super super cute and cuddly those ones aren't the targets of the seal hunt and has been a lot of frustration over the people. You know who who are or are not recognizing you know at so anyway hill a little bit of a tangent there but but context. I didn't know that yeah that is the the that is the the number one roadblock for the Green Party and and I did actually talk with me about this. you know and and the basic stance is that well here's the funny thing about about kind of the Green Party policy there it seems as though the Green Party policy to say that the leader will not dictate and what issues the integrion. MP's would end up on and we saw the kind of Biton bite them in the rear. You know when it comes to comes to talk about separatism and when it comes oh you know maybe even reopening it would abortion debate. You Know Elizabeth May's kind of kind of stance there was was they can do what they want. You know I'm not gonNA stop them from opening up these this conversations and and and that policy which you know burn them here and there in the media there is also their defense mechanism against a about their dicillo hunt pitch because Elizabeth would just say while you know a a newfoundland and Labrador Greenpeace would have every single right to support the Green Party. Maybe even if the Federal Green Party opposes the seal hunt and wants to shut down so you know they have a they have a well known candidates in Avalon. His name is Greg Malone from Costco and wonderful grand band Jane and he's. He's run a couple times. You Run for city council he's. He's never had success on on the on the political scale. Oh and fun fact. We talked about black face. He also wore black face as part of what part of a sketch that he did. I think it was I think it was twenty eight days when when when it hits media here with all respect to the Greens and you know and and I know that the Green Party supporters you know here in the province but in terms of them playing spoiler in Saint John's. These are really any other part of the province. I'M NOT GONNA hold my breath personally so if Canadians are watching the early returns because you guys are I on election night. They should just be looking at saint. John's east to get a a sense of whether or not true is in for a good night or a bad one. Yeah you know that's where it will literally start because I think that would depending on how quickly the count that might Steve I decided writings is Saint John's but but yeah nick whale and holes on there. That's a good indication that that they're gonNA do okay here. you know if if these does change hands. I wouldn't necessarily read that as kind of overall condemnation of you know of how they're gonNA do but if a second writing in this province where to switch switch to the role that would earn your way from liberal to say that would be pretty jaw dropping that hotel a lot if I if they manage lose more than one sees a here in Newfoundland Labrador that's wouldn't I think that they're going to be shaking in their boots up in Ottawa. Thanks for this David. Thank you so much for having me David Marr legislative reporter at the Saint John's telegram and that was the big story another episode our our lay of the land series if you'd like you can head to our website the big story podcast dot. CA and right up there in the header Mary section where you can get all of these special episodes Komo before the elections. You know what happens if you'd like to talk to us about what's going to happen where or tell us who we should interview for these things up at the big story. 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April 15: Care-sworn
"Halio Hey Fallon. And Hey listeners. We are the hosts of a podcast called the secret life of Canada. We are a history. Podcast yeah and we've covered topics things like the gold rush or the bay blanket. Yes kind of unconventional stories. Though that you might have missed in your Canadian history class so we're here to uncover those secrets. That's right Czechoslo. Wherever you get your podcasts this is a CBC PODCAST. Hello? I'm Ph out of paradise sitting in for Carol off and I'm Chris Hayden. This is as it happens. The podcast edition tonight care. Sworn the prime minister has promised to help the people working in Canada's Co vid struck care homes tonight we asked the Minister for Seniors. What that help is and when it will arrive going for broke the premier of Newfoundland says he hopes the worst of the pandemic will soon be over so he can deal with the provinces next crisis. It's precarious financial health. Tragedy repeating we check in with a woman whose father lives at the site of Canada's first corona virus outbreak. She tells us how he's doing and describes what it's been like to watch other care home outbreaks unfold. The spirit moved him and then he moved us John. Man From the beloved band spirit of the West died November. We revisit a conversation with bandmate friend and admire her no sham. Wow a child moved by alive symphony performance. Let's out Oh wow so genuine. The conductor tries to track him down to return the appreciation. And they're the ones that I want an encore presentation about that time. A woman soldier pants for many many thousands of dollars because she is a Libyan Newton. John She wore those pants in Greece as it happens the Wednesday edition radio that as a rule dislikes excessive panting there is a tragedy unfolding in Canada's long-term care homes people living in them account for almost half the cove nineteen fatalities in this country. Hundreds of seniors are dead. Many more are still vulnerable. It's a crisis that's been going on for many weeks now. Ontario and Quebec where many of the deaths have occurred are finally putting in stricter measures to try to control the rampant spread of the disease and Justin Trudeau is promising help for Canada's pandemic ravaged care homes to this morning. The prime minister was asked what he would do if his mother face that risk. I I can't imagine what so. Many Canadians are going through right now with loved ones who are suffering people. They can't even visit right now. Seniors worried about falling ill and not being able to see their kids and grandkids again. These are the things that we need to focus on as a country. That is what I will be speaking with premiers about tomorrow night. How the federal government can support the premier's in their responsibility in their jurisdiction over long term care facilities and senior care to make sure that we are supporting the heroes who are working in extraordinarily difficult situations for very low. Pay To continue that work safely and mostly to keep our elders safe. This is a situation where as a society as a country we need to pull together to be there for our elders who built this country That's what we're going to focus on in the coming days. That was Prime Minister Trudeau in Ottawa. This morning deb. Schultz is the Federal Minister of Seniors. We reached her in Vaughan. On -Tario ministers showed what kind of support is the prime minister going to be offering to the premier's when they speak about care homes tomorrow? Thank you very much for that question. I just wanted to follow up on what has just being said by the prime minister that it is deeply concerning and tragic are the stories that we're hearing so the first initiative that we had to try and help was to of c provide these interim guidelines that we have Posted as of last Saturday to help long term care facilities and provinces and territories to have the jurisdiction over these facilities to enact measures. That will help keep the staff and the and the residents safe inside long-term care. We also have been working around the clock as you are aware to procure the important Protective personal equipment. That's required in those guidelines. So that's been initiative and We have had a quite a bit of success. In getting very large quantities or spending. You know two billion dollars to help make sure that we get the equipment that's needed to protect Canadians. And certainly Get these over to the long term care facilities. They were focused at first going into hospitals. Because we thought that was where the surge was going to be I understand provinces now are directing quite a bit of Help and This P. that we are getting over to long-term care to make sure that they can properly protect their residents. Let me let me hop in here because the prime minister as you heard him say there is talking about the heroes who do the actual work and what are now. Dangerous Care Homes and those people as we all know a working. Many care homes in might actually make more money by going and taking the C. E. R. B. Than what they earned by working. So what kind of incentive do they need at this point to do the work so my understanding is today? What's been announced is that you can get the C. E. R. B. If you're making under a thousand dollars and so that's going to be a big help to those that are on the on the you know trying to decide between whether they continue to do the heroic work that they've been doing on the front lines keeping people safe and looking after our loved ones or staying home. I have to say I'm incredibly inspired by the dedication and commitment of our heroes. Who are out there making sure despite the low income that they're getting They're there for For our loved ones. Our colleague David. Common reported this morning that the Ontario government only gave us so called resident quality inspection to nine out of the hundreds of homes in that province. Is the prime minister. Only going to be talking about money or is it time for Ottawa to take a leadership role in making our seniors who are in these homes. Get the care they need. There's no doubt that What has happened is shown some opportunities for improvement in the system but it is a provincial and territorial jurisdiction and it really is the best initiative and the best way to move forward is not to be fighting over whose jurisdiction it is. It is to be working together. And that's exactly what we're doing. We're taking a team Canada approach. It isn't about who who is in control. They're in control and we are there to offer support. And as I've already said we've been offering nothing guidance we've been offering Personal protective equipment. We've been speeding up some of the The opportunities for testing so that that can be also done well. And we've also been providing incentives financial incentives to help as well. Let me ask you about those guidelines. Because they they've only come out in the last number of days. This pandemic has been coming for months and the Response Times have been put into question on many fronts. Why are those guidelines only coming out in the last number of days and now so as you've probably heard Dr Tam say That this this disease has been sneaky. It hasn't necessarily followed by the the way that some other Pan-demic have occurred. The way SARS came forward and spread and the way H One n one has come forward and spread so there's no Direct Pandemic playbook and she said you seen one pandemic. You've only seen one pen DEMOC So we didn't. We didn't have anything that talked about. Specifically how to deal with covert nineteen however we did have the previous history to build on so using not and looking at the experience that the different provinces have had seeing how this pandemic has evolved and spread in different countries. And what they've been able to do helped inform the Guidance that we've now brought forward as you have mentioned as we all know these care. Homes are provincial jurisdiction but we are seeing all kinds of challenges in many of them no matter what province They are. What would you say to the listeners? Who are in those home tonight. Or where mothers or fathers or in your case mother-in-law father-in-law's siblings who just want someone to stand up and take responsibility. Well I would like to assure than that. Everybody's Is is a deeply seized and engaged on this and making sure that we have the measures the equipment and the people in place to make sure that they are safe and And I just want to assure them that. This is underway. There are many excellent long term care facilities and Assisted living facilities. That are working and have worked to make sure that they've had protocols in place. It of kept the residents safe. Before I let you go I just WanNa come back to the guidelines because as you said every pandemic is different but we did know from China and from the situation in Italy that senior homes were at risk so why no guidelines sooner. Were you too late. Was the federal government too late. I think that the federal the as you could see. Different provinces and territories were Having this Pandemic hit them at different times so And as we saw things unfolding. It was clear that we needed some guidelines to bring consistency across the provinces. And that's exactly what we did minister. thank you for your time today. We'll have to leave it there. Thank you so much. Appreciate your time to Dub Schultz is the Federal Minister of Seniors. We reached her in Vaughan Ontario. And there's more on that story on our website. Cbc DOT CA SLASH AI h crisis in care homes. Nationwide comes as no surprise to Deanna Harlow. We I spoke to her five weeks ago. That's a man living at the same nursing home as her father. The Lynn Valley Care Center died. It was Canada's first corona virus fatality since then her ninety six year old father. Graham drew has been infected with covert nineteen and MS Harlow wonders why authorities didn't act more quickly to protect him and countless other care home residents elsewhere in Canada we reached DNA harlow at home in North Vancouver BC. Deanna how is Your Dad Doing? How's he holding up? Dinky badly contracted the virus but wasn't experiencing really bad symptoms. He had A light coffee in the morning for days in the very tired for a couple of dates so insistent over there so that was evolving in hydrating and By the third four eighty he he was pretty much back to his old self so has he fully recovered now. They have declared him recover. He must be relieved. We yes we were very relieved when we spoke to you about a month ago on March eleventh. You and your sister were going into Lynn Valley and helping to feed the residents because there was not enough staff. What do you understand now? About why the care home staff didn't come into work. A few factors. Some of them had been in contact with the patients who have contracted the virus and so they have to go home and self isolate for fourteen day is a few of the other staff members had actually become ill and so they had to go home to recover. And then there was a handful of workers who just didn't want to come in because they were ray and what's happened at the center since then while it's been quite a ride mustard. I continued going in there even after my father contracted the virus so there was a lot of back and forth with the local health authority trying to get information as to what they were doing to get people to come in. They would match to get some people to come in but it was very inconsistent and there were still problems with the down in the kitchen. They they still couldn't get enough people in fiction on new issues with the laundry being able to be done or or walk back into the society wants taken out and so it it took about two and a half weeks or them to finally cut the deal with over there now and have been able to explain why it took so long to bring in more staff. Yes and no. We never really knew what the entire problem was. Additionally although it's all coming to light now they're just didn't seem to be a general somebody would say. This is what we need to do. There was a lot of I guess to get people to come from other places and hourly going be skating. Is this people's pay warrants. People's pay less so they had to figure out all those layers and so now they have medical workers from hospitals in there. What difference do you think it would have made head? Those workers arrived sooner. It wasn't made all the difference in the world and leave. The residents would have been properly or absolutely entering these past number of weeks. We've seen so. Many outbreak set care homes across our country devastating situations in Bob Cajun Ontario. The Herron Care Home in Montreal. Many others as well. What has gone through your mind as you've watched this unfold. I don't want to say it's I can't find the words to describe immune just off the charts It's it's so hard to see what we went through ourselves and just feel terrible families of those individuals who pass away spoke with the Federal Minister in charge and she says the federal government has put out guidelines to the provinces that that personal protective equipment is getting out to the provinces now and to long term care facilities and that the government is engaged. Deeply in helping people in long term care homes. Does that give you any reassurance? Yes I'm heartened to hear that we're finally you know the message is getting out there that this is the sort of the ground zero Not only here north north thing through the balloon valid Ferson It's happening across the country now. Same situations playing out. Workers afraid to come in and people are being left in their beds. just slowly passing away. I'm heartened to see them. Finally talking about what actually Dr L. Unfortunately it's too little too late. Do you think the federal government acted quickly enough. Well I don't. I can't believe that this was not I mean? I know our country house and land but I can't believe that so they didn't have the ability to react faster than you did. You haven't seen your dad for almost three weeks now. Yeah yes since March twenty six. When do you expect you might see him again? I have no idea at this point. Carol Sanger they're still no way that visitors can come in and they don't seem to have a future as to why not a that must be difficult for you and your family. It is very difficult. How is your dad handling? Not Seeing any of his children. He seems to be okay. We get to talk to occasionally but with this dimension of he's in different places so you know for him. He doesn't know so much about what's going on but he does get restless and he wants to get up and leave his room But he's confined to his room. Scott no no social contact with anyone cerebral Be there all the time. What's lonely for him? It's very very isolated. Ordinarily the residents would sit together in every meal will end. They pass each other hall waves conversations games and activities. One of us going on right now so it's very very isolated Deanna. Thank you for talking to us once again. I'm glad your dad has recovered from Cova. Nineteen and I hope you can be reunited with him soon. Thank you yes. Okay thank you thank you. Bye-bye we reached DNA harlow in North Vancouver BC. And you can find more on that story on the as it happens website. Cbc DOT CA Slash Aih Dwight ball almost make his payroll last month. That's Dwight ball is in the premier of Newfoundland and Labrador the cost of fighting covert nineteen has hammered the province's finances so has the collapse in demand for its oil and gas. Last month the premier wrote the prime minister a letter it ended quote. Our province has run out of time. We reached Premier Ball in Saint. John's Premier Ball. How badly has cove in nineteen hit the finances of your province? Well it's Covert nineteen twenty twenty release since the beginning of the year. I've said many times. I think Newfoundland Labrador. They could take a Mulligan on twenty twenty. They would do it. We started with a huge snowstorm. That hit the problem. Shut it down for nearly two weeks. And then we had to deal with this pandemic and it's been Every operational costs that we have gone up and every revenue generator we've added in the private Pacific collapsed difficult time for slander. Labrador and so in a word or two. How would you describe the finances? tough shape right now. There's you know we were stage when we couldn't boil. We got some support from the Bank of Canada which helpless. But it's been very tough to describe this in in one word tragic today. The bank can't announced that it is going to buy billions worth of provincial debt. How much room is not going to buy for Newfoundland and Labrador? You know we can boil. It means that we can continue. Divorce wasn't able to do that with the issue for is not cam weebelow or really below. We will do that. Concern we have is once this is over. We will have a significant amount of debt on the capita basis in a very small province. There's not another problem from this confederation that would even remotely compares with. We are where we level of debt that were carrying the impact there is on a debt servicing. And and you know we're actually taking away services from people you know rightfully simply because thanks servicing and most people don't realize he still does not exceed people as Asian from the Federal Government. And so most of our situation they receive billions of dollars in many cases of transfer payments. We're not receiving you wrote the prime minister. Asking for help is what you're talking about what you ask them. Or what specifically did you ask? If the prime minister leaving into that marks the twentieth letter was banned by new. Were into the pandemic and I knew. Then you know. Federal budget with something that's Would be in jeopardy given these. What was happening. This thing around the world been working with the federal government for quite some time leading into this period when we were expecting a program like this goal bonds that would be able to help inflame the Labrador which also help without Alberta Saskatchewan as well when we became aware that the budget would not happen. This program without the available was very clear that we had little You don't WanNa finances and we were having struggled. We were struggling receiving boiling and then the Bank of candidates that that's the reason why I wrote a letter. It was just recognize and urgent message. Just and so. What do you say to people who say look Canada's oil dependent provinces Newfoundland and Labrador? Being one of them are facing a problem their own making that you should have taxed and saved more of that oil wealth when the going was good for us. You know we've been as provinces taxation. We are in the middle of the pack more. Were most of the marriage. We have a large geographical footprint and the other is very sparse population. We have an aging demographics. We have lots of chronic diseases. There that we see in other properties but not at the same pressler civil which we face other challenges and we ever. You know a significant dead going into this so we were not able to get out of that situation simply because we didn't have the time to be able to do it like other provinces stuff wasn't about taxation it wasn't really about services because it is more expensive to deliver services you know so the Canadians leaving flying. What part of this consideration? Where residents of candidates respect and deserve the same level services. Thanks tight societies and. Other problems will get so we just want getting the transfers When it comes to requires Asian or some other Cobra that other problems with the prime minister said today that We as a country are weeks away from loosening of restrictions on economic activity. How long can Newfoundland and Labrador hold on? There's no question we need. We need support from to recognize that. I think any of them know that. And so we're going to need something very unique or different Taylor towards the topics like us. And I'm not just saying this because it's a Home Office right now so this could easily be some other problems. In the near future if equalization was is what we don't have is as foundation underneath us that allows us whether the federal transfers would be required quickly. We have a lot of resources here. And we have the capacity within the system. A great workforce lots of Great Natural Resources Billet Academy and I would suggest that we could have one of the best economies in this country given the natural assets that we had to build on. But we're going to need support from not just can't do it alone we can do or we're going to be a lot. We're willing to do it. We got the courage to do it. But we're going to need a good apartments album and you know this at the prime minister is going to be calling you and your provincial counterparts. Tomorrow that he will be speaking with all of you. What are you hoping to hear from Justin Trudeau? Tomorrow that will thing I will say. Is that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and I. We've he's an accessible. You understand your basis. What we had to deal with no different than the deputy prime minister. No different under settles finance ministers. Because I we actually care. There's something for our province right now. Given the situation that we're into a part of the country were a beautiful province and all we're looking forward to hear opportunity to work like other problems to get yourself back with us on economy. We want to contribute. And you'll contribute Canadian fabric and we had a lot of opportunities to do it. You just need a little boost when little right now to get well premier. Wait and see tomorrow if you will Getting here what what you would like to from the federal government. I appreciate you making time for us today. I know it's busy. Thank you thank you take good care. Bye-bye Dwight ball is the premier of Newfoundland and Labrador. We reached him in Saint John's. Hi Emily and I'm Falen. You know us as the host of the PODCAST. The secret life of Canada. And we've got an exciting news for you. We do. We WanNa go to school with you. That's right we are now part of the curriculum in a way. We've teamed up with educators from across the country to create teaching guys that go along with some of our best episodes. We've got teaching guides for indigenous history. Caribbean Canadian Migration Black History Asian history. It's very exciting. It is very exciting and so each guard comes with ad free audio transcripts lesson plans slide shows and a whole bunch of other stuff. Yeah just had to. Cbc DOT CA Slash Teaching Guides for more info. And it's free. 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"This episode and every episode of the beer guy's radio show is brought to you by ironmonger brewing. Visit ironmonger top room in marietta georgia or online at ironmonger brewing dot com. Opened up a tab. Grab a seat and pour a pint. It's time for the beer. Guy's radio show free beer brewery dedicated to the art science and enjoyment of craft beer. Yeah what we got now here. Are your hosts ten. Dennis and brian hewitt and welcome to the beer. Guy's radio show were broadcast for the beer guy's radio studios in marietta georgia this week. We're talking with microphone brewing. I'm tim denison with me. As always is my good friend and co host. Brian hewitt. Hey tim joining us. Today we have mike pailin. The founder of microphone brewing. We're gonna talk about music and beer. New trending beer styles interesting barrels in unusual ingredients. It's going to be a lot of show. mike. Thanks for joining us. Yes absolutely mica. Where into one of your beers right now. We're just enjoying a on a farmhouse l. and it is called. Do you remember the time Can you tell us a little bit about this beer. You guys remember the town drinks as on. I talked about that a good bit lately and brett and says on right there was one of those styles like we'd love to make an actually dedicated one of matters to doing a solarte's until and is just I'll at people don't care about as Right it's not you margaret. We give it. it's time it's does the whole solaire method so it sitting on use. That was used in previous batches bring fresh into it and what can you S thing it's funny because we can taste through it you get those like. Oh it's perfect goes dirty diaper. It's is almost air their wait seven more months boom. There's there we oxley miked. Were doing the cezanne's show in a few weeks where we're going to talk about nothing but cezanne's adleman style. I loved because a cezanne based platform is. You're gonna have a lot of fun with whether you wanna do it. Churn of french version. Or you want to belgian version you a hybrid version. Were adamson it or let it go and would or should brighten it. It's it's really versatile. As so as a home ruler wasn't got through canada traditional style saison became my platform of brewing and actually wants to medicine in incessant. So it's clearly calling out for the milkshake treatments. Have you done that milkshakes. Say i haven't milkshake cezanne. I haven't seen it either. Thank goodness me if i told you. We're putting into a barrel a milkshake. Cezanne olarte so conflicted on this season into. Oh you know so. I'm going to ask you about that. You've done a few more beers right or in the process of so a question. I know a lot of people have dragged millar and people love to joke about it. But do you like millar. It's stepping one of those things if be got new super sure Okay all right. That's a sad. I mean this goes back to me this fifteen years ago when i was versus you smell lower as a joke. When someone's like oh. You're the first of the cabinet north. You get the drinks potter things in Chicago did a good job of introducing into draftsman. Using putting it on in mixed drinks and this that and i think we've all just kind of be appreciate what moore is here and anna may get our thing and make it the chicago handshake where you get a shot him. Lor in miller highlight started saying. Welcome our hole punch in the mouth involved in that too. Or i guess the lord okay. Gotcha usually comes from your mom. Yes she. that's what do you do you know. I'm trying to remember what it's called screech up in newfoundland labrador specifically labrador. Maybe they have a really rotgut rob called screech. And there's a thing they do. They're called getting screeched in and they slap you with a codfish. And you gotta do a shot of screech. That's amazing. I have a buddy who sent me a bottle of it that lives up in that area it's just horrid as but we give it give it a shot. Sorry our yeah. It's it's definitely a lot of things going on. That is not normal to the palate. But i think once you build a new. You're like it's not. It's actually it's enjoyable to the point where you're like. I could do more these going to do a whole bottle of it or be like any normal lord but it's where we've gotten used to it and we we've embraced it and is become part of the culture in headphone with it. So can you have stockholm syndrome to liquor is. Is that possible that so you know. It's kogyo when the distillery who makes the calls up and says do you want first act similar barrels. You say heck yeah. I would to ensure rescan so that was last year. We put pills in their in. Actually the feedback was beyond. Phenomenal this reset. Let's go different. Writers changed up was do crush crush crush. Which is our your right. Milkshake apa with oranges in vanilla. We put the On another one. We're putting pills or another one in an are being spirit in the final four. Wow being spirit. Oh really okay. That's that's crazy as marijuana show what so. As this year the last two years have gone on gotten deeper into the bourbon. Barrel game district on what barrels. Meaning what they give to things So i want to showcase what the merrill will give two different beers right so they won't be. I don't mean we don't plan to release these in package. We planted pullman draft. Met people kind of enjoy them as experience to see what millar barrels did to are. Based here. i was gonna ask. They're going to hit package. Because i i would i would. I would probably try crawler. We'll fifty one for for sure but we don't any money or tried to alert. You know who gave it to me. Adult the guest on our lascaux. Bruce did okay. He had he opened up at one of his tastings. Because i'd never had it. I tried it. And wow that's really off off like herbal lick early. Use and what the one. I'm forgetting. oh absent. Absent arrogance tends to be sweeter though chartreuse a fair amount to but yeah intense stuff. I think we should get into the beers the week tim now. It's time for our fears of the week. Brought to you by the net craft beer barbecue and downtown kennesaw georgia the nest. Kennesaw dot com. O'brien as always. We have a fantastic list of beers to get into. I want to thank our friends at the nest for sponsoring this segment brian. Their anniversary's coming up at the end of of february here soon has some cool stuff as mentioned before they're going to have that whole smoked alligator on their by. Check that out Brian we've got a great microphone selection of beers we have crush crush crush vanilla orange milkshake. Ip we're currently drinking the. Do you remember the time brett farmhouse two years celaya we Pre-game with their flagpole citra ddh ip we have a couple of different variants of the smells like dean spirit. Stoute's which are really going to be good. We have in a blender smoothie berliner was strawberry peach and banana and thirsty. That's t. h. u. r. s. t. y. deny. Pa so plenty to drink. We should have a good time with it brian. What's happening this week in the news. What's in the news. The beer guys have the scoop time for headlines and it's time for beer more beer archaeology news. The world's oldest mass production berea has been discovered in egypt. The facility is thought to date back five thousand years to the age of our of king. Narmer i think i'm saying that right. Who unified egypt and founded the first dynasty there The interesting thing is this burris was known to exist in the early nineteen hundreds but they didn't have any idea exactly weren't was they just found out of it so they found it and The the exact location and they know that the site consists of eight large areas for beer production. Each of those areas had four forty earth aware pots arranged in two rows and there were vats for heating. It rains and water together. Archaeologists estimate that two thousand twenty two thousand four hundred liters or five thousand nine hundred seventeen gallons or about one hundred. Eighty eight barrels of beer could be produced a single time there so mass production mass production. O'brien i actually copied that. Lincoln linked in and travis rupp the beer archaeologists. We had on our show in two thousand nineteen. He commented on it and share some additional information about what he thought. They may have brewed there. He said probably a huge variety of beers and he talked about a lot of the ancient grains to brew so pretty exciting information there. He was very excited about the file. Yeah and they think it was probably used for royal ceremonies in that quantity would probably wasn't just for the average joe but who knows. I mean. This is five thousand years ago. It's amazing. They found that so. Probably the most bizarre news of the week a los angeles health inspector was caught on the camera dancing in a brewery immediately after ordering the owner to close the burri down for covid violations. Here's the thing. Bravery brewery was not in violation of any regulations and this happened on super bowl sunday while the brew was pouring draft beers to go. It's a really bad look. There's a video of the incident on the daily mail and it kind of looks like the a crummy end zone dancer. A celebration dance by this. The health. inspector Yeah so. The boss called and apologised after the fact but Yeah there you go crazy stuff. While you're listening to bear guy's radio show we do need to take a break. We'll we'll be back with microphone right after this. Have you ever thought about owning your own jury but don't know what it takes to get one bill. We're storytime construction and we build breweries. 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So what's your background. How did you get started in brewing. Yes so. I grew up in san joaquin wisconsin and my dad worked at motor. Brewing company wasn't a brewer was more of a steam fitter pipe fitter work on the tanks all good stuff But i was kind of like into what he was doing understood the process. But he's a don't know what i do. Go to college education. So i went to university. Wisconsin madison and went for business Eventually got a communications degree. But during my time there i went and studied a class called it was botany plants. Man and in that class was either brew beer or grow a garden. And what sounds more appealing. Well i can tell you what. I think it is right here. It is so we my roommate on the together beer and it kinda was like this is perfect like it was fun so once i moved from madison wisconsin to chicago with my intentions. Were always music. I wanted to be enemies. Who from madison wisconsin. Chicago's a steppingstone to go to l. a. records but things kind of progress in. I've got a great job in the music. Industry travaux needed a hobby. So i pick up ring and applying marketing background in the humber background. I started microphone Actually ten years ago was the the date of the logo little over ten years ago. Were home ruined doing like a little blog post Member deals blog spot. Long time ago. Certified it spot microphone. It's still out there I talked about how you'd like. Take bottles and get the labels off of them and reuse them all that good stuff today role recipes in alaska but eventually at confidence enough to go in assertions. Incompetence values threw out there and started helping out pipe. Works eighteenth street Eventually like one thing after another getting more industry experience again. The confidence to start mike from barring with my wife and we kinda went through the whole gypsy contract bring model slapped. 'boring in when to rene which is also who may husky Finally eventually settled our own space in elk grove village illinois. Which if you're not familiar with his just outside of o'hare airport in struggle and you do still for some larger batches still. If i'm not mistaken you do some contract at octopus correct. So you guys will probably coming from by so we Early on when across getting their kind of boots on the ground or any kind of figure out things they allowed us. Kennedy's from There and we decided to do. Smells like mean-spirited there so you guys will probably be seeing. Doesn't mean spirited double maple pretty soon okay. Oh we see one in our fridge today. Actually so i look forward as well. Well this was in the box that this was in the box. You send a little leg up on it. Have being spirit double canadian may. Oh a different one. Okay okay places goods Smells like teen spirit percents now. Did i saw somewhere in this made of been news. Pre pandemic are you looking to For a second location or you in the process of that know that's been on and off like we. So flashback about two years ago when we got our three years ago. This face open here in elk grove. We were slammed lines of the door. Let's let's open a second location in madison actually across the street from funk factory news rea- sure if commander yet but we found space. I would school madison. Obviously madison was kind of me. I wanna i wanna eat up there. In a second brewery. We pulled back on that to expand our current location which we now have the whole building here in our plans for a second location of have been put on hold because of expanding here covadonga stuff but it is definitely my goal and dream to have a second location. Hopefully in wisconsin. And i'm thinking more of a kind of remote lakeside seasonal burry now. Is that because you think people want are looking for that or is that just because you want to just hang out there and brew there and drink there. It's because i have put a lot of time into this industry. And i want to go and kind of live my life and have fun and that also i would be bored by rounded nothing so we'd love to have a second location where i could do something but be home with the kids in my family and shell out and then how cool would it be to have a kayak up brewery like super on pretty awesome warning. Get coffee beer or come to lunch forever. You want in kayak with casey of your callers. Whatever i think it'd be funding unique in again. Super small batch super unique we could still have distribution rights or we can make beer in illinois in self distributed. Upto her wisconsin sweden by mu beer. Back-and-forth yeah. It is it's it's. it's just a lot of selfishness of me. Just kind of chill slow down a little bit. 'cause i got two kids got Five-year-old bellsa meeting not wanting to give up in knots in do nothing. I wanna continue to do so. Sounds like a good compromise good balance then. Some people look for a vacation home. You're looking for a vacation burris. Why here and that's that's fine. You can call it that vacation. Burri michael magazine. Catering put some smarts out there doing a lot of bourbon game very hard last year says momma bourbon barrels zone new picking southern going and doing picks and stuff destined while on one of our last picks. We can't concept of the idea for the next brewery name which still here we. I'm pretty sure you definitely do though. I think i think corey king has the best burried name coming out of what he did right side projects right. Yeah so we not based off that at all but like microphone music. Beard spinoff the suspense salute. Okay yeah of course so. You mentioned getting into bourbon lot. Have you found any particular barrels bourbon barrels. That you you favor over others or favored by. Yeah if you want me to say that. I want my daily drinker. Would be stag junior fifteen. Which is not easy to get right. So let's let's back out of that with go to elijah craig. C-9 twenty. i think has been the one of the best easier picks to get you. But i think that when we're looking into beers right we we wanna play with different things. Where we that will arrive. Barrels have been very good heaven hill. Barrels vanilla marshmallow. Mgp barrels depending on long have been in. There are really good. So just the panel. Were going for right. Time on our side helps out but also thailand. Airside helps out and so trying to get more into. We've got almost two hundred fifty three gallon barrels filled in wanna do. Is those rest and then kind of pick through them and figure out what barrels match barrel shine differently. Barrels can be single barrel all that kind of stuff you know. It's interesting because that was going to be one of my questions. I've had tell me that they didn't think the particular bourbon made that much of a difference in finished beer. But i can tell i would say the opposite okay. That's good. I was gonna ask them deaf. Bourbon is gonna strip. A lot of the barrel out is gonna be a lot longer to to what you want by. Found that rise barrels have that extra layer that will give you a little more. Time will help out but also freshness wetness will help out Such that we're gonna go do. Single barrel picks rendu racket so like we go four I think that as we know with rick houses in distilleries that as as evaporation heat rises right things change Sure we don't rotate barrels. Let's showcase what that means to consumers. It's the bottom barrel pick. Is the top. Pick same same barrels different spots in the rick house in arcades. Don't rick house. I wish we did but wasn't a barrel room. So i think as we as i learned more about the barrel industry and going down to kentucky going across where i find the best barrels indiana kentucky. Got some stuff now I wanna emulate that and bring into brewing industry showcase. That sounds good. We did our show. Last week was on bourbon. We tasted a bunch. We discussed about the origins the distillers. We just had a good. Because i love what you say a stealing. Although it's so deceptive like i am reading every book possible into understand where everything is made the transfer of it where it's stored how was stored it. So it's it's crazy and then meeting. Blenders de der job is seems amazing right but they have to get consistency throughout different elements those records. It's insane. I love it. I love it so much nuts. It's good good fun to learn. Though you're listening to the bear guy's radio show we do need to take a break but we'll be back very soon with more from microphone Craft beer forged with a reverence for tradition and new styles that start a revolution ironmonger brewing. The brewers at ironmonger ruin pride themselves being masters of aged poppy and sour beers. The invites you to their taproom in marietta georgia to taste and see also visit their barrel room for an intimate drinking experience with great live entertainment. Keep up to date on all things. Ironmonger by liking them on facebook ironmonger brewing establishing a new standard in craft beer. It's brian and tim the beer guys. If you're like us know launcher dinners complete without a pint or two of craft beer. Which is why truck and tap in downtown woodstock alfreda and duluth are always on our list. Tim why do they call it and tap will. The top part is easy brian. They've got eighteen of them as for the truck. That's where it gets interesting truck and tap features your favorite atlanta area food trucks. So you're getting different menu. Every day truck and tap in downtown woodstock alfa reta and duluth truck into dot com. Let them know that the beer guys sent you. Follow the beer guys on facebook twitter and instagram back now. Back to the beer guy's radio show welcome back to guy's radio show. I want to give a quick shout out to one of our great radio w. r. m. n. fourteen ten am in elgin illinois. Catch beer guys radio on w. rmn every saturday at noon. Now let's get back to make palin with microphone brewing mike. I believe that station is just a stone's throw from elk grove village. Isn't it probably see me. He's like yeah. Maybe we'll be all right away. Yes see we. Don't get those who i haven't ridden a snowmobile in eons yawns. We have seen snowfall but it was forty degrees in it in it was using just east texas. You're fine we are. I look i saw map of all. The snowfall was across the us in a seriously dips down to just like north of the very northern northern corner of georgia. We really lucked out. It just barely missed us there. So if you guys want to party the snow we had plenty of at twenty two. Do plenty to. I saw revolution brewing. Had a sign up that said they were serving coffee made with locally sourced organic snow so have you brew beer with the snow amid this is an opportunity. Not sure that would be good by the tv. That'd be okay with a small banks the cold water. the groundwater helps our rudy in mental. Sure yeah you could do a snow cream like white stout though you can do that there ain't gonna yeah you. Do you know snow cream. Mike if you made that before no really. I thought when i was a kid in the wilds of nebraska. You couldn't use the. I know because it's not clean. The i know the season. But you're only snow. And then like i think some cream and vanilla and sugar and all that and it's basically like a sort of like an ice cream thing. Make sure it's not yellow before you know not supposed to. I mean it depends on what flavors you like. Really you can choose your bailey snow. Basically is that what it was or well forget. Brian yeah liquor. Ice cream may face. Wash back nokia. But i've never had. Yeah yeah good stuff. Snow alert nice. Well mike. I know that this is something. I'm sure you talk about a lot because the theme your brewery but music and beer their hand in hand for you. We've touched on a little bit here. Are your names are inspired by music. Whether that's a group or a song or that do Do you have any names that you just got in the hopper and are waiting for the right time to use them. There's always that kind of as we listened to music so all of our viewers are the subject to our lives right like My staff kind of influence that to like it all started with my songs are like i was ninety skid so i grew up in the eighties. Nineties music's nineties alternative hip hop went from there. But he genesee new songs. Pop up we go from there you'll see a lot of new age hip hop Some random references to seventies rock because dad but as far as new stuff. I think we're kind of were getting more of getting beers at our kind of dialed in with an listening to consumer feedback so in that. Sorry that just use that word but we had feedback from saying. Hey carl you take your your staple your microphone. Check one and make a triple. We said okay. How about microphone feedback. So they don't know this yet but we're gonna do microphone feedback is the triple double Dull drabbed triple ip version of mike. Check one two so not check one two three. Yeah that's feasible mike. Mike check once you was a mistake. Beer i don't know if you your story by we got myspace. The first beer out here is supposed to be mike from check. Check the system. The system failed us so we then rolled into right check again. Microphone check one too good to go. So that's what that came out and then when we set to go gave microchip to is a double wpa leads. Tear down to a single apa. Debbie game mike phone solo must go to pale that became contract and so he dropped so low. Check and then as ramping up to feedback based on feedback. There as can get when you have microphones so we don't want that so we thing the craziest thing so we thought now is that. Is that a statement on what you think of the the the triple. Ip is at the worst thing you can get or is that just the most extremely can get out of the microphone also consumer feedback so just trying to tell you that altogether like we've become meet were unsee. We're but celebrated six years talese here. I've become more adaptive to consumer feedback. And you know that that s shows in our many. We've got everything from a check hills in a belgian triple inuit all too crazy fruit beers and stout between But this let's don't want to let me know what you want to have on our menu associate so this master for so we're gonna throw them so it so you say you're six. Sixth anniversary is coming up and marsha do you have any plans for that. What what's what's happening there. And i know it's a maybe a tough time to have party plans. You know it's crazy is that we celebrated our fifth anniversary the day we got shut down though we were literally celebrated releasing a bunch of beers having phrase the austin bay come back in the eastern half of the sales in. That's when the governor came on our. Tv's was like shutdown. We're like so my wife. Sue me formulated their plan. Just go and that was a two week plan. We guess what we're almost celebrate. Mass will be done at thirty days. We can survive that year of craziness and who knows how much longer it's going to be worried about us. A business like we'll we'll we'll forget through it. I'm more worried about kids in people who mentally you need to understand that life is about being with people engaging in understanding normal see. That's that's been a big part of our life that we really try to get focused on But for us on the business side of things We're going to celebrate six years because guess what is a sixty miles. One celebrate. So we're doing the fears six years We have two three barely out. We got to that are aged in barrels so superstition meter out of arizona. Senator some crazy meet girls so we decided to put our collaboration from forager in those barrels. Separate those do from the window to the wall. Suggesting is mike gonna ask this. Is there going to be the third one to complete that series next year. What about okay. All right go all the way with lyrics. Oh yes and then we have a vehicle. Which is a selective barrels that will be with the highest jumps. You could find so while banana macadamia not bonilla in la shine and then we've got a criminal with vanilla cheesecake flavoring birthday cake flavoring. Because why not. It's a birthday but celebrate jerk. We've got a pa. Six percents was six drops six different hops. And then every year around saint patrick's day we do drug Milk with coffee. Vanilla and green flavoring. So will lose six fears plate. Green flames totally. We have oversleep to get green flavoring coloring. Yeah okay you're you're right. Let's just say what what. Flavored is green. Have not drink the beer to find out. I'm excited by at the coffee in it. I'm board already. Sure if i don't know if you've heard of bones coffee at florida plug plug. Tomorrow will be used as a coffee at here. Chicago but bones. Coughing florida has the craziest flavors magin And we found that they've got that coffee use irish cream coffee. That's perfect crispier. Okay mike you know. We've covered all our favorite things here. I think we should definitely hang out. Because no cezanne's coffee and bourbons and and wrap the aso covered it all melodic missing one crucial part of my life to what's that cars and shoes cars and shoes. I'm into cars man. I am wearing shoes. I drive a car. So i think we're on board with this are you a sneaker head Yes closets sneakers do you have. Let's just stop there. Just leave it there too many sneakers we're listening to the beer guy's radio show. We need to stop this right now to what. We'll be back very soon to talk more with microphone looking for craft beer to enjoy it home. Get your beer to go at the nest in kennesaw georgia choose from their forty eight taps to enjoy their with some tasty barbecue. Takes him home with you for later. Crabby crispy pills ner a nice tart sour or a bold style to sit by the fire. Just bring your growler in at usa favourite or to to take with you. It's our beer. Your growler at the nest for your bruce to go. Check out the beer and food menus before you visit at the nest. Kennesaw dot com. Follow the beer guys on facebook twitter and instagram now. Back to the beer guy's radio show welcome back to bear guys radio show. You enjoy the show. Please consider supporting us on patriotic. Just go to patriot dot com slash guys patriots. Get beer guy. Swag and commercial free episodes dallas. Get back to microphone brewing mike. We've covered some pretty great topics. Here you know gone through quite a bit We've got a few more things that we want to talk about. I think as we talk about your beer. We can't miss talking about the smells like being spirit series. We're gonna talk about britney spears a little bit here and maybe some beer probably yeah. Some beer fest. Look kinda sound similar like it so yeah we got some hot topic. What that. I just heard a little Some shaken bake moments there really. She was so interested in watching the daytona five hundred after the rain delay. I love that love that kid. I hope i hope we can get a microphone sponsorship on a race car one day. Keep an answer we do. Yes absolutely we got to. What was his was it clown malt liquor. Was that ricky. Bobby's sponsor something. Just don't remember this year. Stuart little stickers right there you gotta start somewhere. The next thing microphone guys radio. The whole hood is our own. Dr doku we've got we've got the plan surface it's perfect. It's good beautiful. Well mike smelly. What's that shaking may say mike smells like being spirit of stout stout. Can you tell us about the kind of the birth of the series and it's evolved. Yeah i wish. I could take credit for it but A good friend of mine. Paul lisnek if you will. He came to us early on and was like. Hey i this coffee roaster nearby. He wants to do a beer with you. What would you think about doing. A stout with coffee. sows kind of boring so A breakfast sat with coffee at the maple as some coffee go at it and so he was like ouaga name for it about salt lake. Bean spirit mike. That's amazing. I really hope we don't see let's roll with it and titled coffee. Roasters has been amazing over the years. They've they've really done a good job of giving us a smock shrum mandolin blend which is kind of dark row street blend and then it was one of those things where we just made. This beer made it as an eight percent. Stout in the consumers want a bigger stout mid ten percent Minute in a barrel aged. And the eric from tokyo coffee coffees. Like hey how you doing adjunct. How about you do milk stop version of with. we've done so much to get the maple. Coffee bounced in perfect Let's write it in all right near miles go. And we unleashed probably fifteen different agean rattles of it beautiful arm and just have fun with it and so it's become our staple stout in always put in barrels unusually. Release that thing around a fast but with everything going on me. Cancer fess last year in this year's news just now where we could plant a festive time. So we miss. We miss beer fest. We miss him. And to spear vincent in general we did. We did a beer festival. We did a show a beer festival. I think february early february last year. And that's the last festival we've been to service. I was in california for beer fest than to other half in new york for their fast flew to wakefield in miami. That fast did three best flew back home in an winter. Who apu in marshall. Who in florida got cancelled mess sitting there. That's right. That was the last fest that i was supposed to attend. Because who was like the last minute cancellation and we were all there. Everybody was there exactly. That happens in march. Yeah just sitting there waiting. What's the call was the call and their final like a guys it's Seven suns status is cancelled now unopposed. Apu's as your home whatever you wanna do so like. This is serious. Let's we kind of had a similar hit here in georgia. We have a festival. I forget what they were calling this last one brian. But it's it's always seemed around like the day. The jews return of juice and it got cancelled last minute and a lot of birds had already sent their beer down here. Same thing so we actually lucked up from the consumer side because all this beer ended up going to district. Yeah so we had just amazing beers that were coming down here for a one time. Drop for this festival. We can get off the shelf at our local bottle shops and so we did. It was nice it was missile brothers was the one i was picking up the hacker fifty north. Now that's not attached to that but you know we got a lot of good stuff. I think a lot of people were talking about how that did help. A lot of these smaller breweries that normally there's certain berries here. Mike and i'm sure this happens anywhere. We get small drops from kind of when they got some extra but when when the plague hit everybody wants to get their beer out to as many channels as they possibly could sure so. Our retail side here was just loaded up with amazing beer. Yeah that'll be kind of interesting to see how things go forward. Because i know that we've all adapted to be like. Hey we got extra products ltd around our networks that so once that dies on our consumers in those networks me like hey we want your beer amp production or not. So we'll see. We'll see so. I have a question where we're drinking. The smells like dean. Spirit the big one with all zuber super duper super imperial super imperial and i was i was watching. It was that that the wax come off. Okay we did. Yeah yes it's a beautiful wax. It's some sparkles in. It's very nice. It looks great on the very jet black bottle beautiful presentation. my question is. I saw you in a video talking about adding coffee to this and how you wanted to avoid the green pepper note in the coffee and i was like i have tasted that in coffee beers how what causes that. And how do you avoid it. Yes that was one thing that we learned early on in the process of making up here and this is going back five years ago. Is that coffee. Roasted long way in added the wrong way can green pepper. So we work closely with tugboat to say. Hey send us fresh beans so that we can then grind here on site and then get him into the tank as soon as possible and what we learned that Coffee will lose ninety percent of aromatics that first five minutes of roasting So anybody who's making coffee at home roasting coffee get it in right away. Don't don't sit on open. Roasted beans like it will go bad because the oxygen will change so we would always we bought into a special roaster here and we buy the beans always holding will some here and then adages say so. It's really freshness is the way you avoided like a sitting on the beans for any period of time is what brings on that. That's a green green pepper notes. That and then we introduced into the beer at a lower temperature does not super hot. Oh okay a mid fifty s we just do that for day and a half minutes it and just kind of extract that initial roast out of it put it well. It works mike. It does really well not a single green pepper note that i have detected in any of the beers especially we've checked it now with numerous Years to make sure that over time. It doesn't happen but yeah it's it's changed because normally to get the beans already ground dahmen let go. That's it it that would be the instantaneous ethic oxidation of the pepper the the beans would cause that hever keep room temperature. Drink fresh x. Right yes yes out as much on the festival note mike. Are you hearing. Anything on festivals are they. Are they trying to come back to life anywhere. You know what we we we pause. Are this year. If nobody understands that festivals take nine months twelve months a plan right So our festive normally happens in may is jeff nine this year but we finally got some invites to invites actually to jay wakefield fast and tripping animals fests in florida in april so in florida florida. Florida's gonna they are. They are florida. Man is going to have his beer festival right. Florida can make an app to make everybody comfortable and make the the things right. I hope that that sets a precedent or will give you other places. But i know they're doing scale down Limited number of people at fast obviously mass more snap but We'll see how it goes. I mean we're we are all of us here have been cova tested and that we will potentially down there. In servants ya'll goes we do not have any plans to Cheer in illinois until we can get our capacity Back to normal. If that's not normal we can't. We can't even think about us like we need to get our place our staff back in everything back to normal before we get any plans to that So i would say no fest year till next year but if there's enough festivals out there that are doing it right out in the us that we feel both will get a shot right out. It'll be nice to get life back to normal. you know. i've seen the news. Recently they said numbers are starting to drop so. Hopefully i can continue you know. Get these vaccinations out there and bring these numbers down. Get bring our bring the beer fastback. Back to school fastback franchise that right right and then beer fast fast. So mike if people want to keep up with what's happening with microphone during what should they do. You know what just follow. Us said micro netcom facebook dot com slash mccumber or stream. Mike fromer and we're all we're all there in the social web's the social web's good stuff. Mike thank you so much for join us. We really appreciate it just tears. Well that about wraps it up for this episode of the beer ready so join us next week. Is we dive into coffee. And beer and coffee beers with apotheosis row story. we are bare radio. Facebook twitter and instagram. Thanks for tuning in. Have a great week and don't forget to drink welcome.
How a Nfld. funeral home became the centre of Canadas biggest COVID-19 outbreak
"Funerals are supposed to be a place where we can collectively mourn the loss of a loved. One they're supposed to be an outpouring of sorrow and remembrance and sometimes even happiness that can bring a community together. Think of the ones that you've been to if you can think of the comfort that you gave and took from hugs and embraces or even just an arm lately draped around a shoulder funerals right now of course are nothing like that if they happen at all they're extremely small or more likely just virtual. There's no hockey. There's no arms around shoulders. Funerals are one of thousands of things that Kovic nineteen has changed but in some places we didn't change fast enough. That's not a statement intended to blame it or just things that we know now that we didn't a month ago and so a month ago and Newfoundland a young woman died and a funeral was held and there were according to the mourners. Who Were there? The typical things that you'd see at a typical funeral and then a week later someone tested positive for Cova nineteen and then others tested positive and now instead of a community coming together in grief a community has been torn apart by suspicion. And blame if you want a good picture of how profoundly this virus has changed human behavior. This funeral home is the right place to start. Our guest today will take you through the story of this outbreak as soon as Claire. Bizarre tells you quickly all the other news? You need to know today about this virus. In Canada. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada will be producing up to thirty thousand ventilators. He says the country is teaming up with Canadian companies to get this done. We certainly hope that we won't be needing all those ventilators but we also know that there are countries around the world where they are not able to tool up. Local production to create more ventilators. They're going to be Reliant on a global supply. That's already stretched thin right now. Canada has about five thousand ventilators across the country. Public Health Officials in Quebec are predicting between twelve hundred and nine thousand deaths from Cova nineteen in that province by the end of the month but Premier House while ago says he does not want people to be alarmed by those numbers. It's believed that with the current trajectory. They'll be closer to the lower number of the two in Alberta Premier Jason Kenney says the province is on track to hit a twenty five percent unemployment rate because of covert nineteen. That's at least half a million people. He said it would be the provinces most challenging economic periods since the Great Depression will China was the first country to go into lockdown and it was among the strictest and that lockdown has now ended after eleven weeks to residents of. Wuhan are now allowed to travel in and out of the city but they have to use a phone APP that uses data tracking and government surveillance. As of Tuesday evening in Canada. We are now approaching eighteen thousand cases of covert nineteen with four hundred and five deaths. Jordan Heath Rawlings. This is the big story. Greg Mercer is the Atlantic Canada reporter for the globe in Math and he's covered funeral this outbreak. And the fallout I greg. Why don't you start by just telling me about Shannon Fleming's funeral who was she when and where was the funeral held in that stuff sure so Shannon Fleming was a thirty six year old woman from Newfoundland? She died March Twelfth She was thirty six years old and been pretty seriously sick for a long time. She had Diabetes and died actually in the dialysis unit at a hospital in Saint. John's her funeral was four days later. March sixteenth At a An old funeral home in Saint John's one of the oldest in the city called calls funeral home and it was. It was very well attended. She was a well known. Well liked young woman She had a lot of friends. She had a lot of family in the city and around the province and by some accounts there were well over one hundred and fifty people who went to her funeral that was held inside the chapel at the funeral home so it was. It was quite an event and there were a lot of people there according to multiple reports. So what was the setup like then at the funeral because this was march sixteenth? Were they taking any precautions? Where they distancing where they doing extras sanitize ation or anything. I guess that we wouldn't see at a normal funeral so it depends on who you talk to The funeral home says there were precautions. Being taken they say that there were signs up asking mourners guests to keep six feet from each other to avoid hugging and kissing and try to not shake hands The funeral home says that the Commentary was closed to the public that they did not allow outside food in that. They say they did what they could to keep the crowds limited then people who actually attended the funeral say no. That's not the case at all. They said that the common area was open. They say there was food brought in from outside. That was shared widely. They said there were many people who were hugging. And and and holding hands as you would at any funeral. Many of them told me this felt like any other funeral. There was not really in any indications. This was happening at the outset of a pandemic. So what evidently happened there? That started all this. So what we believe happened. And we're limited by privacy because public health has not confirmed the identity of the patient. Who started all this? But it's believed that a woman from Ontario who was attending a funeral at calls funeral home at the same time. As if you know for Shannon Fleming she was there for a man named Edward Tobin. Seventy eight Saint John's man. It's believed she brought the virus to the funeral. Home and unknowingly spread it to dozens of other people and The story and and the cluster grew from there when you say spread it to dozens of other people. How big has that outbreak become? Now it's become the largest cluster that we know of in Canada at last Count Day. There were one hundred sixty seven cases linked to the funeral. Home that's more than two thirds of all the cases in Newfoundland Labrador Right now. All connected back to one funeral home over three days. What was the reaction among? I guess what must be a relatively small community as the news spread as people were informed. I mean I think panic is one way to describe it Newfoundland and Labrador is very small. Place even Saint. John's the biggest city on the island is still a small town in a lot of ways and so as word spread on social media about this. This suspected cluster. People began to worry about who had been there and and where they had traveled since and it It really became a free for all and a lot of ways of panic and anger and blame and it got ugly. It really did and and and they're still still dealing with that Newfoundland Labrador. There's there's still a lot of finger pointing and blame going around For some of the families who who went to these funerals? They say they've become public enemies. And we're we're at the point where they were. They were being watched by their neighbors. If they left their homes and had the police called on they were being threatened on social media. They were being accused of bringing the virus to Newfoundland And basically being blamed for everything that has happened with the pandemic since then when something like this happens at a funeral and then sort of the natural grieving process after the funeral is interrupted. What does that do to the people that that were there to mourn a front? Well this is it. I mean these people. They really did a pretty natural thing. They went to a funeral for a loved one Nobody knew at at that time. There's certainly no indication that anyone knew that the virus was in the building that someone was bringing it or or spreading it around and They have not been able to grieve because they have been on the defensive. They've been really been attacked by a lot of people online They've had their neighbors turn on them. They've been made to feel unwelcome in their own communities. even within families it's caused rifts in divisions and a lot of finger pointing and blame and So the the folks who I've talked to who went to those funerals are on the receiving end of it. I've really been scarred by how they have been treated in in the fallout from from the funerals and just to make sure nobody exactly knows who was that tested positive. So the funeral home says that it was a family member of Of Edward Tobin one of the other funerals. It was happening at the same time. Shannon Fleming. Right. They're saying public health told them that public health will not confirm that for privacy reasons at the end of the day. It doesn't really matter to me. The bigger story is is what has happened since trying to figure out who brought. This doesn't seem to do a lot of good it. It's the it's the. How has the community in the province reacted since that to me? Is the more interesting park will. What has the province down. What kind of things have been done in the way of contact tracing and isolation if this is the hugest outbreak in Canada How are they trying to get a handle on this? So they're they're trying as hard as they can. I think they've been surprised at how quickly it has grown. You can imagine you have a building where where there are dozens and dozens of people who are interacting and those people go back to their ordinary lives for more than a week where they're going to work or their You know meeting friends or neighbors and traveling around the province so trying to track down all those people and then all of the the Co workers they worked with has been a difficult task for public health officials. They believe they're getting on top of it but I don't think they really know if they're at the end yet because more cases continue to come out every day Anyone who's known to have gone to those funerals during that three day period. They've been ordered into self-isolation they've been sent for testing. They've been doing everything they can to try to stop this thing. But it's it's so far has been a losing battle more. My next question is kind of just to make sure that I'm doing the math right. If it was on the sixteenth and everybody self isolated. Surely we should see it. Stop spreading by now like this is. This is April sixth. We're talking right. But they didn't know there was exposure for quite a few days until after right so that's the problem and it's it's where people went after the funeral. You know in one case there were thirteen. Postal workers who went to the funeral of Edward. Tobin They went to back to work for a few days before public health realized they had been at us. You know think of all the people they came into contact with and we're talking about medical workers who came to assist people who became ill after going to the funeral home and not knowing that they were infected with Kobe. Those medical workers became ill so it it's spread exponentially throughout the province before public. Health realized what was happening. So that's why it's been hard to hard to to to get a lid on this. Has Public Health been able to learn any best practices from this? Is there anything They can take from this that the rest of Canada might look at. I don't know I don't know I mean this is so unprecedented that it's it's hard to say. I mean they certainly brought in a lot of restrictions and new regulations in response. I mean for instance funerals and wakes are now banned in Newfoundland and they are trying to to figure this out as they go but I. I don't know what could have been done to prevent this to be completely honest. I mean and it's not just newfoundland this public health officials around the world are scrambling to figure out how to stop this disease right. And at the time the funeral was held It wasn't against any regulations that had been released. That right no funerals were perfectly legal you. It was recommended. The gatherings were limited to fifty people. And the funeral. Home says it it it. It abided by that Some of the funeral home goers say there were more than that at at the funeral for Miss Fleming but not the funeral. Home by -CATIONS didn't do anything wrong. They weren't reckless irresponsible. It's just that what is permissible. Now has evolved so much in the last few weeks that it's it's been a dramatic change. You mentioned the owner of the funeral. Home what does he say? Now and what does he see as the future of his business and his place in the community? I must imagine that this is a devastating thing to happen at one of the oldest ones in Saint. John's as you mentioned absolutely yeah. I don't think he knows what it means for business. He's he's upset that his business is being linked with this cluster. You know an and the few times. I've interviewed him. He's quick to say we didn't cause this this didn't come from our funeral home. It was brought to us And I and his point is well taken. He is worried about what happens to his business. After he told me one of the quotes he'd been given to clean his funeral. Home to disinfect. It was over one hundred thousand dollars. He doesn't know how he's going to pay that bill. He's lost all business. People don't want to hold their funerals there. I mean you can't have conventional funeral now anyway. So he doesn't know what it means for his business and he's been doing this for a long time and he's never seen anything like this before so there's an awful lot of uncertainty for him and for really anyone in the funeral home business right now. You also talked to Ms Fleming's boyfriend Shannon Harris. How is he? How's how's he doing? How do you cope with something like this coming from the funeral of your partner? I think it's fair to say he's angry. He told me he he really feels he had not had a chance to grieve he He was in Saint John's taking care of his his his girlfriend's affairs and didn't get home for a few days until after the funeral and by the time he arrived. News was already spreading around the province about this potential outbreak and he was basically greeted in his his village of of six hundred people by a lot of animosity and and people told him they didn't want him to be suddenly. He feels like town that he grew up in turn. Its back on him so he told me that hurt. And it's it's been such a distraction that he's he says he has not been able to process you know going through the funeral or or the loss of his girlfriend. He's been dealing with being a enemy in the eyes of of some newfoundlanders. How does a small village like that? Put the pieces back together and learn to trust one another again. Kind of discussions are happening. There I don't know how they put the pieces back together. It's safe to say that. The town of buckets like a lot of towns that have been visited by this virus have never been through this before and they don't know what the future looks like. This is the kind of place where it's a cliche. But everyone knows everyone. And they know each other's Business Shannon Harris told me he doesn't feel welcome there anymore. He's not sure he wants to live there anymore You know neighbors who he thought were. His friends have turned on him You know this. This virus has really exposed an ugly in a hurtful side to the human nature because people are scared. And I don't know how you begin to heal that. Has Anybody stepped into a position of leadership To try to heal it? Has the mayor said anything anybody on the town council? I don't know what's going on there. But surely somebody can say. Stop vilifying the neighbors for something. They didn't know they were doing. Yes so so. The mayor has tried to say what he can he said. Look I mean. We're we're not out to vilify anybody. But WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS. He he said. He has some empathy for Mr Harrison. What he's going through and he says it's unfortunate if he's being ostracized because he doesn't want to see that happen to director of a public health. The the province's chief medical officer of health. She's come out and address this head on and said look. Nobody went out and intentionally spread this. You know this happened time before we had any of the measures that we have in place now. Nobody wanted this to happen. And vilifying people in pointing the finger is not doing any good so she has tried to address it and getting Newfoundlanders to to stop pointing the finger a little bit but yeah I i. I don't know I don't know what else people have done to try to calm things down. But it's You hope that at some point cooler heads prevail and I guess we'll find out in the months to come when This virus finally recedes. If people can trust one another again I guess I I think so. That will be a big question. So we'll all be watching to see what happens because this really a a lot of people told me this is kind of change the way they see themselves as newfoundlanders. Right in this newfoundlanders have this. This public image is being just friendly. Outgoing warm people. I think that's true to a large extent but there there is a dark side to any place when people are scared and angry and I think this is exposed. Thanks for helping. Walk US through the story. Greg my pleasure George. Greg Mercer the globe in Males Atlantic Canada reporting. That was the big story for more big stories as always to the Big Story. Podcast DOT CA. For more podcasts. That are not the big story you can. Head to frequency PODCAST NETWORK DOT COM. We've got a bunch of them even a few new ones that you might have never heard before you can talk to us on twitter anytime day or night will probably only respond in the day and we are at the. Big Story F. P. N. and if you've got something you want us to play you can send it to us. Hit US up via email at the big story podcast. That's all one word at RCA DOT ROGERS DOT COM. You can record a voice memo or send US video. We'll try to keep our listeners in the loop as to how the rest of them are getting along. Thanks for listening. I'm Jordan Heath Rawlings. We'll talk tomorrow. Hey everyone. This is Kirsten Haney contacting you from Cambridge Ontario directly from my Home Office. Which in other words would be my kitchen table. I have been working fully remote since March thirteenth. I am an HR professional. Luckily I am able to to work fully remotely. I'm also taking a French certificate program at Kanazawa College which also has been totally transitioned to a remote program. My Gym has been closed. So I've been working out at home so feels like these days. Everything is within the confinements of these four walls which has been a little difficult. I would say I'm feeling a little cabin feverish. But one of the ways I've been able to navigate through. That is by taking walks. I tried to go for a thirty to forty minute walk on my lunch hour every day. That's usually when I'll catch up with the big story podcast and try to get some fresh air and a change of scenery for once we've also set up our patio furniture outside and when it is warm. We tried to get out there. Even if it's just to sit out there with a glass of wine or a pint of beer and try to unwind and forget about reality for a little bit. That seems to help as well One of the strategies that I found really helpful is to also limit exposure to news about two three hours before bed. That's been helping both my husband and I sleep a little bit better so I know this is a really difficult time. I just wanted to wish everybody the best of health and hope everybody stays safe and remember that. 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How to Use Atlantic Canadas Best Ingredients
"Welcome back to lush life. It's a new year and lush life is to take on twenty twenty one and the next two episodes are sponsored by atlantic canada which is the eastern part of canada that borders on the atlantic ocean and includes the four provinces of newfoundland labrador new brunswick nova scotia and prince edward island. Not only. is it absolutely gorgeous but for our purposes today the folks there are serving up some great cocktails using some of atlantic canada's best ingredients susan schwartz. You're drinking companion and this is lush life podcast every week. Where inspired to live life one cocktail at a time i. We had to newfoundland and labrador to chat with dan. Meets co-founder of the third place cocktail company and then we get off to new brunswick to meet sebah walk founder up every feast douwe newfoundland and labrador has incredible landscapes vibrant cities and quaint historical ports plus all inspiring mountain ranges rivers waterfalls winding coast lands. And some great tonics thanks to dan. After traveling all over africa for work he developed a love of saint. Joan of arc. The main ingredient and tonic water running home. He just couldn't find the exact product he wanted for. His gin and tonic decided to create his own. Thus the third place cocteau company was born. But it almost wasn't. Here's dan to tell us all. Now dan. i have a delicious cocktail in front of me. it is third place. Cocktail company tonic. Gm and some soda water. And i want to know how this got into my class. I've got to cheers. You know kind of a long story. I'll begin is interesting for folks. Says i came here and i i would university here in saint john's newfoundland and labrador. While i was a student. I made car until i was not very good. Cover bands Streaking beer for a long time. And then at some point. I realized that that beer was really inefficient as a method a Drinking at that time. So i switched over to Back twenty years old. And i got exceedingly good at drinking gin untie. I was just very well practiced else. And i just loved gin and tonic to this day as my favorite cocktail. Certainly the cocktail Tonic invest foreign. Few years is longer musician. I was living in working overseas in west africa attitudes from development work. Hold on now. The gin and tonic. Were you the only person drinking agenda of your peers. Yes so there's a big rum and coke kind of culture here and then lit later. In more recent years the cocktail new zealand has just exploded. Some remarkable here are really beautiful cocktail work but back the it was a bottle of beer or can run coke reporting other gene atomic sent night. It certainly wasn't firm may be considered industry. You know this. Isn't that long ago right on talking about that long ago. No no it really. Isn't that long ago. Everyone says that it was kind of here in london. The granny's drink and every grandmother drank it so you know. I didn't even know what. Gin and tonic was until i was like thirty crime. I was just trying to get away from some of the sugar. Frankly i was finding. You know the dark room these brutal hangovers trying to go to university. Next day be smart Could do all all in. I guess it never even occurred to stop drinking Tar and so a switched to gin and tonic and i. I still the balance of sweetness. Bitterness and tarantino's it's still as far as concerned. It's it's tough to get better than chantale gas. A perfect flavor. I so agree that now you said that something took you to the far reaches of the world. So i was using development work for the canadian international development agency as i was living in this ghana which is in west africa in sub saharan africa. And i was traveling through that the world quite a bit until ghana the coast liberia. And this is my my mid. Twenties and independent worldview catch malaria which is not an uncommon thing. It says scary things but lots of mosquitoes are biting. Yeah and sometimes you catch. that happens. Generally speaking if you're in any type of city There's it's really easy to get great medicine and treat you with wissam Larry magid off your own. You're okay and feel pretty bad for for a week or two. But you're generally important as pretty far afield in northern out the first time. I got malaria. Time you've got. Oh yeah twice. Sure is the first time. I just got really ill and i. It was a little complicated to try to get me to some safer. There is really remarkable people for taking care of and in that part of the world they know that queen obviously is that anti malarial drugs. If you go to oslo today or you're gonna take a prophylactic for malaria. You take a quantity Quantity naturally comes from the central Grows naturally in sub saharan. Restaff your because of the way. The world was colonized by sailors implanted. Grinding everywhere they went other for the blind date. So i'm a twenty four year old guy with this monster. Malaria fever chewing on saint joan tree bark to try to get some clarity into start feeling better until they get a few as later. Replace nance and it was a remarkable experience in scurry the time. But you know you're a twenty four year old dude like your small up inconvenient. But i do remember that. Just unbelievable bitterness of this plant at that i was just tunein between which he can zoe. Coal As i had this sort of relationship with the plane also relationship with the drink that eventually we'll skip the history lesson. Gin and tonic. Came from clients are up on ships which is a malaria cure as well as limes on that those same ships which was meant to stop scurvy in jin who's racing just meant to stop the sailors from unique and so all that together and you gotta version at hannukah eighteen or two. So i you know ahead. I was great at drinking. Gin and tonic. Can i hadn't relationship with this crazy. Plan to requiring came from. And then i moved back to north america eventually back here tonight. My home of saint. John's newfoundland after many years of traveling and i was still pretty good at drinking gin back in. I had been drinking better and better jin. Because i travel the world in a headed interest in cocktails. I kind of go talked into steelers. And i i find interesting janse from around the world to train. It got to the point that i had stopped drinking. Tonic have to ask. That was going to say it's amazing that after Eating the bark that you would still like tonic. And you weren't looking for different mixer like you know how some sometimes there's some herbal spirits that may taste like cough syrup when you're young especially if they're cherry flavor you take one of it and you think never going to have that. That just is horrible. You know i'm surprised that didn't happen with you on it. It was the opposite. That every tonic. I had after that experience felt to light and sweet wasn't enough and i felt like it was just killing the gene and so i was thinking better and better gene but still buying yellow cans time off from the grocery store. And i eventually gave up on the tonic completely atmos drinking. Gm on its own sometimes with ice. But actually we're back here to saint. John's and i had this memory. This plan tonight seeking cascio. There's got to be better tonic. And there are some good carbonated tonics out there. Done of at the time revealed Buying them from having in the uk ship them over into an all kinds of foolishness. And i you know. I can make sense just for fun until i had some friends in peru semi ups insurance for barak Source pointing grows originally in enabler. The off your business. Where children was. We'd for them on their coffee. Plantations They just as a gift set up some of triarc and i started messing around with it on my stove. I could do in. It's unbelievably bitter. I mean is is is literally the second most bitter natural substances in so because pour like tons of sugar in sugar and water sway. I so obviously boiling on the stove. But i try and get bitterness and beautiful dark magi color. And what those freight machine. What do i like the flavors. Lavender lemon grass and citrus. In how. I want what if. I'm making gin and tonic. Myself while i wanted to feel like violence allege in so i offer a few thousand tries just for fun on s- little one and two cups time on I came up with what i thought was really tasty and i decided that this was the perfect gift for my pals for christmas and so i put it in basic jars with the sticker face on it and houses at christmas gifts and it was that was that was the full extent of the goal. Like we i was trying to start a business. Just like hey. This is fun to drink at home. And i met my pals around the world in earwood enjoy Invasive jars incentive to some friends. How much do you make of you leaders. I mean. I guess it would have been when i think back now. He was fifteen mason jars as just like fifteen french around world. Some here at home and just goes christmas. Note saying hey here's how you mix it giving Did you ever take it with you to a bar because you wanted a gin from the bar and then so i am insufferable in that way. Absolutely i have done in as for gin. And just pour out some tonic. From a little. Flashy no other people. A little hip flask tonic. And i've got some friends from the musician days. Who in the restaurant. Business say johnson. So they got to know that they they enjoy this idea. In some of the run that christmas lists and so they were gonna on the gag in really let the product as well and one of the people that i gave this to as christmas gift to own a series of retail stores across the country and had nothing new drinks hiring kitchen knives. Pretend they're beautiful lives in the stores. He called me up and he said hey. I really wanna sell this in the stores as canada's not a business i made it on like so at home like leave me alone enough to do a called a few months later and he said hey. Can i get some more key. Made a big batch tonic. Just i'm allowed and i really. I want some more way to reconsider. Selling it to kevin. I'm not interested in all. Then he said how about if. I bought the recipe from me. And i said when he bought the time espionage. I flew up here to calgary you could teach my staff to make it in and then you signed yours anymore. It's mine belco off like if someone is willing to buy it him more than that. I said that sounds great. Let's make a deal like might come up with a number send a contracts like let's let's do this and so companies later iran into christmas. Who's all universities pal. Still at your friend. Who's now the other owner of replace cocktails. Duffy is thought that this guy is going to be chris. smith. Yeah so. I i run bris inside pop into for Are just chatting and we're dear friends but we had called and i said hey. He was on the original tonic christmas list. Gotten i said. Hey you're not leaving. I'm going to sell the time rusty simply me. I said yes. Guide wants to buy and so you know. Throw a number out there waiting not like an actual contract. But i think the do it. He's like you're crazy chris. dan. I love you. You're e it started business. Chris the last thing. I wanted to start a tonic assessing allow work. I assume you have a full-time job. My day job is still in sheltering work. I help run shelters for children sing bought since those that same type of work over west africa and so that's been the career this whole time and i sat down and had a few more drinks that day in hashed out what we thought might be ninety and we went for it. We launched this this business almost five years ago now. Why do you think meeting chris or kris chris in your discussion. Swayed you from justice ellen. It and then saying by to it so i personally have been different for a long time and i love and respect him he also has a really different skill. Set than i have. And so the idea that chris was gonna bring his scales to a business that i feel like our complementary to mind and so you know. Listen i'm i'm a long hair kinda hippie do and chris high and tight Unstop end. he's he's great to hilarious charming thoughtful guy but he also can make his way around. Excel spreadsheet wizard next meal tedious. What the excel spreadsheet has more than also belief in the thing you know an unbelievably smart guy. And so for him to say oh. I think this is made me reconsider. How about you know when you make something. It's easy to disregard something that you made with your own hands. Even if it took a lot effort is just as they needed like. It's you know there's no magic to it it's it's yours and so can't be that Under several so what were the steps to starting up the company. Well the first steps were a few things. I wanted to see what other people thought of it. At least we thought that it turns out party place and in some focus groups alone cocktail folks from in some people that we knew pretty fun to syndrich genuine and most of them said it is to better in each of these sweeter. It's too bitter. And i just wanted to buy that. Thought i think. I think they're in a cocktails really the only in its borne out over time for sure. I wanted this to be different than a sugary yellow tonic. Otherwise what's what's the point right so then we started thinking about how wanted if you wanted to log in for chris and i. We sat down in center the goals. What do we want. What would be appropriate sales goal for a year but more important than values like his. We care about that than i made. Sure this business. Hasn't we came up with sunday. We still live to you know we. We live to the so much his easy for me to say what they were next that we wanted to make enough money that we share it and what that meant was that everybody that works for us gets a living wage and gets to work in a respectful place. That's gonna treat them fairly hours labor. Well the second thing is that we wanted to make products that were so proud to put our name on every single. And we do that. We end signed every bottle that we make sale enhance actionable. Every until i i noticed that when you sent me some amazing products i noticed it. Said you know handcrafted by batch number and there's there's your pen that's perfect for us is that we wanted to make something that was just undeniably during that review proud of and then we also wanted to make sure we were having fun. That was the last principal for us. Said it had to be fun in owning his Difficult but if it isn't fun we were not gonna be honored. This was supposed to be for us. Those are the first apps and was finding a kitchen that we could use a new to my place. You need a real inspected industrial kitchen and to go from there and and just to we can realize what what this was gonna turn into or how quickly and so. We had the sales goal in mind this number that we thought. Hey if a year from now we've sold this amount is real business. People are likely this is something we should devote time energy money too and we met that one year sales goal on day. Twenty two incredible couldn't believe it. I mean we we were. Were you just selling to your area or had you been labrador yet. Three retailers here in saint. John's and we you know at that point. A batch of tonic. To all night we were gonna take jobs. Had families in mutual This stuff all night long. And that'll be two hundred bottles. Get two hundred bottles out of a batch and we'd show up. i remember. This is a three weeks before christmas five years ago and we went to this remarkable coffee shop on water street here called rocket. We sent out a little tweet. We relieve in the night asterix sitting on our way to the rocket with a full batch. Lots of stock for the weekend. This was on a saturday morning because we just finished our jobs on friday near way. They're cooked all night. Raw this tonic. In while the time he got to the rocket there was a lineup outside and we none of it made it to the shelf. All two hundred bottles sold from the boxes that we were carrying. How have people earned within the mouth. You know we'd be really fortunate at the restaurant and cocktail scene here in saint. John's was ready for this product. Until we've got some amazing restaurants here places like mallard cottage in raymond's which are some of the best restaurants in the world than they happen to be right here in from from those places on their menu right away an were happy to tell people about it and then you know people are worried is different in feels never seen before and some people got excited about the idea of trying this new weird interesting if you see our product on shelf it. It looks like an old edison Play by time. You know i love your packaging and i went through and tasted it every single one and i thought gosh i could drink this by itself. Thanks as well. They're super interesting now. So you had the tonic going. That was obviously a huge success. How did you plan on what you wanted to do next. Did you even think there would be a next labor. Originally this business was called the third place. Tomek we just thought who was one product the now. Let me trapped you. Third-place yeah sure. Where did you come up with that right. I think we've known this business was going to be a success. We named something different. I love it. I'm glad sweat but their places in sociology. And so your life. The first place in your life is spent most of your time for. That's your home especially the second place in your life is reason the second most money or time for most of us were in the third place in your life is where you got together and builds community your friends so we wanted this product to do that kind of thing for us. The third place in our lives for personnel was always Ours always all we know at never occurred to call your friend city to see is like. Hey we had the which one. And if you weren't having a big drinking night that space was really got to get people into that for the name comes from. We feel like anything that helps people come together. Bill communities ordinance certainly a good cocktail is a great reason to get together with your pals especially now in our homes are all places right in time of obeyed your first place place. Third-place all tends to be the same chair in your home allow the absolutely and so it's been interesting to to make a series of products that are made for people to experience at home. That's really one of the goals for us was to do all the work for you. Like an easy definitely. Now there's a town of ingredients We had this. Tonic was meant for gin. And then we were we we work with distillers great alcohol companies and one of the makes vodka here nusantara iceberg vodka. And it's made from iceberg water in. It's really interesting. One of the guys from iceberg dawson said we really law atomic that to go with vodka. Tonic with gin. And i said the vodka tonic. I always wanted elder flower. It's like l. Flowers the flavor that i want to sweep up and it's a beautiful bridge flavor in it tastes so good. Flowers are remarkable thing that also row here labrador. Until i had been thinking about doing because because it was something that i liked to drink myself. I've been thinking about elder flower as a potential second product maybe and so products on the market that were beautiful elder flower syrups and ellen flower with yours but again they were just too sweet from alad. I just didn't like all the sugar. And so we produced elder flower which is meant to go with vodka and then we cash. This went really well. We should think about what else we to do. And that's when. Chris said Irony kind he's a. He's a bourbon drinker. Gin drinker chris. Bergen record cemented inconvenient union Inc upper he said dan i he he. Chris travel times what he says you know. Have been hazing barrages. You sit down burn. Bartender takes twenty five minutes in makes you a cocktail smoking. Something here ice cubes special. Hang over there you know. He charged ten or twelve pounds. For thing gotta wait reverend any presents this cocktail and it's perfect and it's almost always a whiskey cocktail. I wanna make a product for whiskey to feel that way that you could make said whole and i thought sherman but like radius stars. He said he started with the flavors like when he wanted to taste like. And i know what. I wanted to smokey With the bourbon. Well really stringent soho back from war and white floral in. So we started with his beautiful smoked. Tease lack saying sushi. On tea from china to t- school for a long time. I love chinese us. Great our products so we started this beautiful smoked black tea and some rose petals in. Rose hips and viscous. Flowers and got to work in the product is called. Ginger rose in with whiskey a total home. Run the way you're talking about food and you know you've created a lot of different flavors. Are you a cook. Do you love cocaine were you. Did you cook when you were young. I love cooking at christie's the best home cook i've ever met. He hates it. When i say that but chris chris food chris makes for for his family at home is as good as restaurant food. You'll find anywhere undertaken a random tuesday night and christmas house. You can get a monstrous place. Food islanders well and a nice time picky about food. My mom is a pretty great home-cooked zoe related. And so food to take part of our lives in concern of the cultural Labradors gathered cheer. This really isn't we do think about. We think about the same way we think about reading a great chef word and we source those ingredients with revering very picky We're we're the ladder comes from matters to us. Vanilla beans come from us for the lemongrass from average thomason. We really picky Making shoes since bourbon is bang. How long did it take you to agree on. The ginger rose only took us a while to get it exactly right. I love the idea. I like whiskey as well Naidoo cotton and so. When chris candidates wanted to be a smoky whisky mix. Gosh we can pull it off. I think it's a real long time. We worked on that product for almost a year before it's ready to release it wasn't it wasn't a linear process rush to point where we really excited and then we came up with another one. You know run. I was gonna say you said something before at the beginning about everyone drinks rum and coke right so you have a cola that a good like like a proper coca cola in a glass with some ice. I don't drink this sort of thing. Ever but i know it said perfect tasty experience polls in delight right just wanna coke and only okra late and so live in west africa. You take these cola. nuts Cola comes from. Is this west african. Not in put between your cheat in your gums in. It's just remarkable delicious bitter Taste with Orders in its justice caffeine drip ensure by y'all day. Ns beautiful to me so when it came time to think about what we wanted to pair with wrong we wanted it to be Not you know all of approx all natural. We don't have any chemicals or additives. Nothing these bombs that right you. We are proud of it. So we thought about making cola from the original kaleva agree so kola nut in vanilla in starting the seeing will be due to pair with really amazing without making it too sweet and we came up with a product that as i love. Our core product is created in his grace jess hermitage water. Just busy water. You like a fancy colon glass right a pair with from what it says on the bottle i think you you get of rum and coke experienced but just to the next level in different different people and the last one that i tried was the rattler so you obviously went back to your beer roots. Even though you've been like beer to make beer palatable enjoy a nice cold bidders went to anybody. I the thing i loved was. There's this renaissance of adler is happening old radical forces german cautions cyclists fan years ago. When you mixed beer with lemonade and i loved it. The problem for me was that they were tuesday Too sweet i was gonna guess was it to sweep the second thing is that it's so inefficient you know can make a radner. This is two and a half percent. Alcohol just feels like you're half my glass isn't what is be so we were working with great rerent in newfoundland labrador Talking to them about what we love about beer cocktails. I saw them. You know. I'm a runner in these long races. Sometimes truly nice to have something refreshing drink rattler with your partway through. We discussed Decided to take a crack at making. It wasn't going to be to citrusy that. He makes the full strength beer in so using our product. Any light beer so a logger can add an ounce of our portal on some ice. And you get whatever beer you love turn into a nice for basis citrusy radler and we love it and we places by the most of our adler is breweries. That use it in their in their brewpubs because But making radler to be an arduous process for at times so it helps them can really pair with their beer and expand your menu options. I have a question of your from such beautiful part of the world. And are there any specific ingredients that you could. You talked about colon. Nuts things get from our field which which ingredients have. You used that you've got locally your thought. Oh i need to use this in yet. that's newfoundland and labrador. There's an option. So the two that i loved to just make sure people know about that. I think everyone understands the virtue value of but not necessarily that it rose on rockies one of them's juniper right i mean the thing that makes gin gin and we don't have what we call high bush juniper which is most greatest us we had this little scrubby tiny bushes Grow along the coast along rocks. It tastes different than juniper anywhere else. It salt your. It's the berries aren't as juicy tend to be smaller herber even when the right but in several markets when we use it in l. florida joking me say that all tastes more like gin and so in we have to go with the attitude And it's it's great neutral A beautiful thing and the second thing is that we make some seasonal products that we only sell here. one of them is called sale. We sell a christmas time. And you i bet on your website. And i i oh how am i gonna try. That is rooted. Do the new this title. Kobe were thinking you to small stuff in so folks will hear this note before it's released but we're gonna. We're gonna release a spring tonic this year. That's made from newfoundland's spruce tips. Spruce trees grow here in a game. They tend to be kinda stunted smaller trees than as from trees. Are you think of sort of a big protested spruce but in the spring of the year when the buds i started on on retrieves. The tips of them are edible and they're delicious they smell hi Entertainer you piccolo on. You can fry you do all kinds of fun things. We don't do those things but we do. Use them in. We drive them in the following year using our holiday probably because it tastes like christmas. But there's a great tradition in this part of the world in some other parts you we're in the spring of the year you head into the woods on my grandfather Take a bunch of things including sprucing. You make what's called a spring tomic. It was made you know bill this away. just keep united strong in spruce for a big permanent. We're gonna make a nice roots tonic. In essence atlantis. I love grows. You know you can't go for a run in city without seeing spruce streams budding frank year. It smells grading tastes kind of probably answered my next question was you've created all these fabulous things what's next. What are you planning anything new you. We've got a bunch of things in the works that we had hoped to release in twenty twenty but obviously like all of us. Twenty twenty time for the brakes. Things redone approximate by plan. That are ready to that. We chose not to release this year for a whole bunch of reasons. We has launched in states away. Twenty nine hundred nine early twenty twenty. We're gonna make sure we do a great job of building arcade game in host cove before we put anything. Do show what we're gonna do a couple of special small batch things in twenty twenty one. We're just gonna sell on our website. Taylor in the world so folks can check this out through his cocktails dot com. Amrita sounds really cool things including hopefully if there's enough spruce tips around a beautiful spruce time i think is gonna be real it provokes. No if that's another know. I i the content world changes so quickly leanest The changes in how we think about cocktails flavors over the last season five years certainly ten but five years. We've been learning with everybody else in traveling. Real world back when they need to do heavy remarkable bartenders Cocktails for us thinking about how we wanna make products that are gonna feeding those best. Were reluctant at ron. Some of us are telling us a stay that way and you know we got to keep up his all. These tiny distilleries are making unbelievable spirits. That is definitely true. Something that you've said has really struck me that there's a through line from the beginning of what of your career to now which is community and how important that is. I mean the work that you do outside of the third-place cops company is so important. I know we just brushed over at a little. It just seems to me that that is inherent in everything you do. I think i think for all of us x. The case whether were explicit. About it. As myself chris trying to be this business or if it's just tag find in your life you know. We're all learning a little bit more about ourselves in how we relate to each other in twenty twenty in recognizing that those little things that we used to take for granted maybe a tension to it so just those quick conversations with your neighbors folks for me. It's the people whose names at home you want. Interact with when i drop kid at school. I really miss those interactions. That sense of community this time kobe. Rumor to men until you know. We've been really amazed by how many people have been reaching out to us to say. Hey we just had a virtual cocktail night really love. Your products has been really great to share this stuff. Insult for our business. We hope would help. People come together also drink better right for you. Don't eat your genitalia. Tastes really good at home chan and take you forever to get in order to do that and help. People build unity at the same times fun. One of the future lights at twenty twenty. Yes yes and with every set that i take of your products i will think of that. So do you have any top tips for the home bartender. Yeah i've got a couple. The first one is be really fussy about your ice icing. Your home cocktail is the secret ingredient. kicking around to the air in the back of your freezer and it tastes like those frozen peas. That next to your. You're really not to yourself fame and so make good. Big block is. It doesn't need to be perfect. Player is not a photo. Shoot here but just take take your is seriously make it with good water and keeping away from everything else freezer beside a plastic bag and your bill henry there and the second thing is just drink. We a light. You know like don't need to make the world's dryest martinez Right martini Hang with too much for moving it as we should drink a nasty Through france and so when. I'm bartending at home. I wanna be able to have the best job. I've got a never saved geon. Let's not. It's not the fine china to make more of it. Remember how good it is until opened the good bottle us to good ice in good glass every time and just really enjoy it so if you could be anywhere drinking right now where would it be and what would it be. I am lucky that i've traveled a ton had some great cocktails. It's great places in thinking. Now here's one drinking experience that i've come to love that i miss lott and that's that i'm a runner competitive alterra runner which means these really long races on trails this fifty kilometer race here in st john's newfoundland Love how the east coast ultra a ends at a bar. Embarrassed whole linda's place in kiddy vinnie earn saint john's newfoundland and labrador any. It's not a fancy cocktail bar this little more almost more of a museum. It's tiny Walls littered with a thousand bangs. Really has story. but it's the finish line so hit two run fifty owners on rule trail the cross. The finish line into the sperm. Get ice cold beer in pop the top end cash to ever miss that experience. And so if i could be drinking any it would be a co bear at place Here kennedy at the end of the sixty around do you think that they made the runs specifically end at that bar to get people to do. The ron. So is part of the experience at your. This is this is gonna sound crazy. But there's a chili cook. That happens all day long while you're out on trail running is beautiful people. Cookie chilean In there you get a bowl of hot chili and some homemade fresh bread an ice cold beer. In if you're like me you sit around thought to your Runs fast as they thought. You wish i would even run that. I am not a runner just to get the chili and that ice cold beer towns divided so i so thank you for telling your story and cheers everything that you've just said that's right. Everybody enjoyed his first chance. Forget all remnants shoots hugger kissejin. I absolutely. I can't wait to be over there and meeting you personally. So thank you for being on the show as we move. Southwest new brunswick we delve into the hidden gem of atlantic canada with its beautiful coastline. Charming fishing towns and epic national parks. It's also home to canada's oldest farmers market in saint john which promises some pretty amazing local beers and spirits. Our guests the best. Dan wa is one of those making amazing and award winning beers and spirits. He is owner and president master distiller and master brewer of the first distillery in new brunswick. The distillery feasts dua and it all began with his first sip of absent. Well maybe a bit before that. I'll let me beth jan. Tell you. I'm so excited to have you here today. And i can't wait to hear all about the distillery how you started. Why don't you tell me a little bit about yourself and how you even got into drinking world. I have been passionate by producing alcohol since the age of fourteen. People don't remember but long time ago before entering in google in all those app there was books in the house in my parents had bought And there was a certificate seeing that all that knowledge would come to me. When i would be older so i started to look in those books and eventually i found a book on for meditation And when i read it it was pretty simple. Water sugar s. In a closed container that would produce alcohol so i read a couple of times before i dare to mix everything together but one they might. Baron were outside so i took the biggest jar. My mother had a night. Pour some water in some sugar and shed east to make bread. So i put pitching in and i hide it in my closet the day after when i took out the jar from my closet in the basement it was moving inside the jar. At that time. I was so amazed. It's a good thing you could have blown up the whole house. It's also funny that you of all things in the encyclopedia sure it was a big the pedia. You chose to do that. one thing. it's like it's faded. I meant to be in alcohol industry. But the feeling i had when i saw the liquid inside the germ moving was just the big inning of something greater. I was very impressed by having created live because for me at fourteen. If it was moving it was alive so for me. There was no doubt it was a life. I created that life but at the same time i was very but very scared because the addle at that time we're seeing if you produce alcohol you can become blind in. I didn't want to become blind because of the experiment so never drink. Never i would want it to go close to my eyes. I was so care so eventually. Thank goodness i know it if it was not mentioning how you become blind so that was even scarier so eventually i went to university in business in. That's where i learned that when you are meant sugar. You can't become blind and i was doing ahead a little closet and university and out all make whitman and i was for minting a wine beer. A different product. I was able to ferment. You must've super-popular popular. Yes exactly. I learned a lot of things at university. But one of the thing i learned is when you produce alcohol. You have a lot of friends. And they were coming. Normally on friday especially beard that it was producing and share it with. My friend was a very very nice. I'm i did a lot of error during those experimenting. My closet the university. But after i finish university to year after i started to partner with another colleague from university was microbiologist and we started our first company was in two thousand and four. It was a nanu berry. Call academic that still exists today and we did that together until two thousand eleven. Now were you also doing separate job or you. Just went right into making beer during the the brewery Of around the size of eighty liter. So we had to have a real wasn't fun the passion at the scale. That was a real business register with the with. It was a real thing it was it was all the inspection everything was done as a real brew but it was tiny so in two thousand eleven. My friend wanted to stay as it is. Eighty leader nanu brewery. That's what you love and mia was in business. I said we will never but never be able to make money with eighty later. We need to have bigger. So that's where we separate in. Yeast still have that steam brewery today. Same eighty later nine. Oh brewery and me. I started with my mother. Distillery was tiny garage with one steal. And we were doing that during weekends until two thousand sixteen where. I had to took a choice to brew. As being distillery brewery that was a lot of component that time so i became a a master brewer master distiller into thousand sixteen. And i was starting to know about of the shades. The the space with all the the whiskey barrel and you need to to do some wedding. And there's some work in aging whisky. So i was starting two thousand six to learn about it now. Being a brewer is way different than being a distiller. What made you decide that that was the path that you wanted to go into brewing beer in beer always have been a great big passion. We traveled the world for. We were beer hunter. We travel the world in the early two thousand before i had kids in just going brewery were in very tiny place and to just tried their beer. In one of that trip was in germany. For one month we went to to to to all around germany and we stop in czech republic. The justice decided and we went to high and we were like a little bit was third week fed up of beer every day all the time. So we said let's do. It changed since my my business partner at that time. A pakistani said. Let's go try it. And i said what is at site he said. It's only legal. Currently in czech republic and in spain up in told me was green with the wormwood and the big stories. I don't i don't mind. Let's go and we went to a absent when i saw the fountain. Those nice glass spoon the sugar to fire. It was green. I said to my friend. I said we are in the wrong. Business is a brewery which should be in is a decision that is the stuff we should produce in canada. He said you have too many drinks. Let's continue with air. So when i came back to canada. I had their garden behind the house and took out my carrots and potatoes. On old vegetable. I had started to plan a worm mood. Easel boost neil list. I need all this. Despite that was able to grow in canada during the summer and i register a steel of new canada. And i started to small batch. But i started to learn about how to produce at scientists complexity of it in harvesting their At the right moment it was it was it was. It was a lot of very very creative moment. So in two thousand eleven my mother had difficulty to employment was in printing industry and printing was not going well at that time. So i said we need a plan b and have one let's start distinctly and let's be absent producer. And she said yes had. She had absence before nope she had. No clue what it was. I have a question for you. Had you had it this one time in the czech republic when you came back. How did you know how to find that. One specific flavor that you wanted to create. Did you just always think that you would know how to do it. Because of your history brewing again did like i did. Always since the was fourteen i read. I went to In the the library of france. It's on the online. And i went some different books of literature about how to produce app site. What are How to troubleshoot and that science what flavor you will do if you don't do something or if you do something and just by with just was information. I had the good information of how to to dole was a little bit on what type of stays and then it was to try to find app. Science in endorsed area was it was not barberie was barely legal. It was very difficult so to produce mine was was something that was their warding to create something with instruction from the past is is for its forgiven. Practically spirit in to put it again alive and to to grow those botanic That spirit was was a lot of pleasure. How was it received was just drinking it or did you find a whole audience for it. Will i think it was the only one that liked it because everyone prefer my gym and they say oh your accent is good but your gin is fantastic and i was trying to push and push my upside but people really just preferred the in. I went to petition. So you were also creating jan. Because when i left you you were just creating absence. Did you also want to create in at the same time not worth. It was an accident there was some panic was not able to grow like star. Anise can't grow that in canada. It's impossible or it would be difficult and maybe not impossible. So there was a catalog and i was looking all the type of with any i need it for my district and at one page were jennifer and i look at that say jeopardy. It sounds familiar thing to produce would in continue. And then i came back in said. Let's let's by two bags old. I will do an experiment one day. When i have time i will just put that in the steel and and try to gin. And that's it so i had those back at the district in the corner and i was producing my app site in one day. We had a lot of outside science. So i said i don't have anything to do. Let's let's open those jennifer bags. And i mix it with all but i liked no big research. Nothing fancy just just spontaneously. I just does and i. It was lucky. I wrote it sometime about. Wrote a right than just pitch in so and it turned out that. I bought a clear bottle because i never wanted to have a mistake. And someone having my upset that was in dr bottle entities gin so i really separate boat so when i had family members at the city looking at my app date they were asking me what is in daycare bottle was a no no no that is an experience. It's a try not just just just for fun. And they say i want i want to try it so i said yes and eventually they say i like your upside but i want the ball of gin. That's that's the product i want so eventually admit labels and people were coming to buy upset and sometimes they were taking gen so i send them to competition. I send yet signed to a competition in san francisco in two thousand thirteen in at canada. Post lady said it was like three hundred dollars to send that to the united states. That's a lot of my budget. So she said to bottle or six ball or eight ball it will. It will be approximately the same price i said. Wait i will. I will come back. So i went to the decision. I register my gin and a pastiche that was doing so with six ball line. it was predic- did the same price to send it to san francisco. When drizzle came back it was a silver medal for the site. Silver will for pestis double goal for the jin has all my gum might might abstain. Did terrible even my gender better. So i said no that. That's something is wrong. So i sent to another competition in london. In practically same result came back eventually people are heard about it and became is gin producer. But i was trying very hard to push yet sign. But that's not what people wanna to know. It's really really rare. That i meet someone who can do both the fa- the the founding of or launching of a brand and all its head distiller at the same time and having the ability to to be able to taste something that all it turns round and wins metals. You know you obviously have a palette for these wonderful flavors. And i was wondering when you were younger. Were you cooking or was your mom. Cooking did you. Did you try to play with flavors at all. I come from a family that when we gather we were normally share taste flavor drinks cheese. We we like to share share and tastes and with alcohol because of practicing and reading. I'm able to put the words to taste that. I i can feel so we all have the same knows. We all have the same out but it's not everyone that can put the words to wet the feel when they have the flavor in in close to their nose or in in their mouth. So yes i always have been good to identify flavor and by doing the distillation. It was an annex of being able to to express myself with flavors and share those flavor with other people than my family. So yes i always have been good to identify flavor but i'm not saying dive a bitter nose or bitter taste than any other people at the same as others on me. I can put words. I think you're being modest. Because i don't think i could create an award winning. You know a double gold winning. Jim now you said your family you're from new brunswick and that is the home of the acadians part of atlantic canada. That actually speaks french as well. And i'm wondering how much of that heritage you bring into. Your spirits is story was one of the only thing was good at school. I was always very close not to pass always wine to five points that it was just enough to always to go to the second grade. Always had difficulty with french. Always have difficulty with english with Everything except his is three. I was doing the same as all the class. I was just there. Listening can knows but for some reason it stay. I was the best of the class in history but poor in every everything else so when it came to name the product for my for my company i had all those story fresh in my head and it was very easy to say. Let's talk about that tradition. Let's talk about the native and how they were producing a nigga and how it saved the the first colony that came here from up so i had. I always have mix flavor but also history to all of my products. And can you tell us a little bit about that history. Yes for example. I did last year or paint is paint. That exists of lucille dema. shield Was onto canal in french. In france in a invested a lot of money and e you had three ship in the un here in sixteen or four in. It started the first establishment if french the french establishment was terrible so they went to paul that became the capital of Until seventeen thirteen they were not painting of that. That that that gentleman so last year we we made a very nice paint for people for the next generation to remember that person so but it was a protest in in the wrong time in france that became hectic and he was forgetting is one of his employees is is character gaffe navigate the that. Get all the credit samuel deschamp nye. The semiarid was shopping was only one of his employees but he got all the credit shield them on was in history. So i'm bringing back in even with the paint different capitan. Different people that that have no face that i'm producing for them in use that as label for my for my for my label and the artist. Note that they will give for national purpose. Those image to everyone fabulous so when your mother was starting to change careers and you bought the distillery. You created this. Distillery had other than the absent and the jin by accident. Had you thought of creating other products to create is is what reward money. I have money to to live. I have enough money for my house or my car for two by the grocery and everything. That's that's what i really what were wore me is to create its. It's a great satisfaction. So yes i produce rum. Produced single malt whiskey single off steel whisky producing different type of spirit. Different types of beer. I like just due to to bring. Together i start last year or malt houses. The first malthouse here in new brunswick in the lab to produce our own east. I really want to be able to create everything every step of the production of alcohol. I want to have a total control in creativity on each of those steps and you find a lot of the ingredients in new brunswick around where you live other than the ones that you've grown yet. Defend like for their some cinnamon for example. I will never be able to grow that. So if i put some in i have to to get supplied by a country that that produce it and but most of it that i can grow i will grow. I will grow my hop. I will grow my body. I will grow my ride to do a canadian right whiskey. I will grow everything. I can't really to learn from the from the ground up to the ball how to manipulate those ingrates and how to create something from it and even i. I did the even change a little bit. Derosier in there is not change. But i push a little bit. The law in the production of whiskey. Normally we age the whiskey at around seventy percent in the oak barrel or barrels. And after it's done after minimum of three year we can take the whiskey and we normally could with water to bring it to around forty percent alcohol or dip so. I challenged that i said because a lot not specify its war so i said can i mix my whiskey after it's done with a beer us at the beginning of the process and there was nothing in the law. That was a Didn't permit that. So they agree and i called cajun whiskey so it's made with the same beer us at the beginning of the process to to to produce the whiskey that this is mixed with the final product. So it gives very nice banana flavor apple flavored Add some sweetness but very lightly sweetness in the taste so that was a little bit Innovation in the world. That is very strict in terms of rule in regulation here in canada. I like always to push sounds delicious. Yeah now have you seen the taste of the people who buy your things. Change you know. Are more people drinking the absence now or do you find that. They're just still going to the gym. And it's hard to convert them over with time. I learn when thing marketing make really the big difference so that the taste of people is in france by marketing. So i don't put the law of of marketing in-app site. We liked to do it. We that we like to keep it. Small everything i do. I like to keep it small but to do a lot of small thing altogether so but with with information when i call marketing you can change the taste of people just by adding more more visibility. Young problem yes speaking of that. Let's go back a little. We didn't really discuss the name of the distillery in where that came from. How did you decide what to call it because you were doing it with your mother yet. It wasn't a fire when we start at the small discussion about the economy in the region was not going well and we needed the plan. D i i suggest that to be upset. Producer would tiny and then my mother asked me. How would you call that company. And i said that's a good question so it took me a couple of days to think about and because i wanted to use the old technology so copper pot still. It's not acknowledge is just a big pot of cupper with the helmet. And that's it. So i look in the past in england in patty in in How was the distillery. What was the name of a distant any was very simple. It was this duty and your last name at son so he would be this daily and son so in french's district if i had a daughter around one year old. I said i can't do that to my daughter that that was long time ago. Now the name of a business cannot be bought son. so that's where. I switch the wa and son for fiske was the son of the so. It became disagree. Fist disagree son of the king. That's my last name kinky. It sounded like an all name of a district because he had that that son in it and the last name. But that's that's how it can disagree is. How old is your daughter. Now she standing old and she's very proud of the attorney and she accept the name now but that was that was the beginning the foundation of the of the of the vision of the. Yes and watch out. She may be hiding little jars of thin worn. I want to be there to do it at you giving me some cocktail recipes and i was wondering when you were Creating your spirits. Did you always have ideas of cocktails that you wanted to create to go with the spirits. I have to say that cocktail production is something that i'm starting to know more and more in I really a came to the conclusion. I consider producing cocktail form of art. It's it's to create an that creation liked to do it. When i read the definition of art it's it is a diverse range of human activity involving creation which expressed the creator's imagination consensual jewel idea or technical skill. It's intended to be appreciate particularly for his beauty. Emotional power in for cocktail. It's all of it. And that's why now i'm starting to create cocktail because i found tasting a wonderful cook out is awake to express to create to appreciate in dinley. It's a form of art in a really. Do start to like it but very basic can not in the technical skill yet. But i liked the learn to appreciate it especially when i see someone that can really express In self with a cocktail and with all sometimes very beautiful i. I have a lot of respect and i. I tried to learn. But there's so many things i'm trying to learn all at the same time. The cocktail is one of those. Speaking of learning things. Does that mean that you can tell us what your next creating at the distillery or is it secret my next creation Working right now in beer that will be created hundred percent from our site. The mall the barty. The water everything. So it's symbolic it's a sign of self self sufficient and it's not ever burri around the world that can say that created the beer that is from hundred percent from their production site. That is one of the project we're working on. Another project we are working on is a single malt whisky. But we're working on producing our own barrels. Make with the maple maple tree. We have a lot of maple tree here in canada especially on the land where we are so to to learn how to produce barrel. That's that's the last step. I need to master to do a whiskey hundred percent from my my production. I'm not there yet. When i'm working on it well just knowing you. I have a feeling it's going to be fantastic. And you're going to be the best data so you can you give me some top tips for the home bartender for me. What i would provide as a tip or trick is is to have fun. Never know that pleasure to create cook. There may become a passion in that. Fashion can transform in joyful activity to share with other. And i believe anything you do for fun will taste greater. We'll look greater and we'll bring you more satisfaction so my would be to have fun. That's great now. If you could be anywhere in the world have been drain. Where would that be right now. Thought about that in a believe it would be in in mexico. They're producing alcohol that i'm very fascinated by the traditional way they're producing miscou is a hundred percent gavin. And they dig big ole and then they send those gavin in the oil and they start to burn them in denver cover it and then they wait three days and then the take them out in normally. They will crush with a big stone that the donkey roll around each time. I go to mexico in the region of oaxaca. When i see how they produce that the misguided i am always very very very inspire. And there's a specific place called la desma scall- That's the bar down down the waka. That's where would like to be in. There's a stowed stowstorm today in canada. There's probably no snowstorm in africa. Absolutely not i want to join you there. I'm dying good there too. So that's a great one. So i can't wait to come back and see you again. Thank you so much for joining me on the show. It was my pleasure. Have dan and sebastian here with me on lush life and thanks so much to atlantic canada for arranging everything since we have two guests of course we should have to cocktails of the week are first cocktail of the week is the one of enjoying with dan during our chat the original third-place cocktail company. Tonic and jim. Add one ounce of the third-place cocktail company tonic and two ounces of your favorite gym. Dan prefers the london dry gin to a rocks glass filled with ice then top it up with two ounces of fizzy water and stirred gently to combine don sebastian's cocktail of the week is called. I am not driving and contains his award winning jin ta take a high ball glass or big wine glass full of ice and add fifty miles of jin toya to that two ounces of cranberry juice and two ounces of raspberry juice top it up with sprite seven up or lemonade then garnish with a branch of taya. Oxidant tallus or edible evergreen and a slice of orange. both of these are atlanta canada. In a glass you'll find these recipes and all the cocktail of the week at a lush life. Manual dot com. Where you'll find all the ingredients in our shop. It's such a shame that i never spent more than seven weeks in canada and all of that in montreal making a film i keep saying once we get a handle on corona virus. I am on that plane so if you live for lush life make sure you're giving back to the bars restaurants you love by donating or taking part in cocktail or delivery where you live. Theme music for lush life is by stephen shapiro and us permission and lush life is always will be forever produced by yvo tara and simpler media productions which leads me to say. The wise words of oscar wilde all things in moderation including moderation and always drink responsibly. And wash your hands and wear a mask next time. We had to two more regions of atlantic canada nova scotia and prince edward island to meet two more industry folks or shaken up the same until that time bottoms up.
United premiers could spell trouble for Trudeau
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They're the the best and shockingly they basically all agreed on what priorities would like to present to the federal government. There's been questions in the past around this table being able to focus in and then actually agree on some of those priorities. I think you can see today that this most certainly a disagreement on a number of priorities achieved so today. CBC political reporter and friend of the POD JP. Tasker is here to explain what happened. What Roberta premium? Jason Kenney has to do with it and why it could pose a threat to the prime minister's legislative agenda this is front burner Hi Jp Halo mean so JP. AP You've been in Mississauga for the past two days. Set the tone for us. What is the mood in the room? When all the premier's in the country get together? Well the mood is dare. I say jovial cordial congenial. I mean. Pick your adjective. There is There is not a lot of dissent in this crowded at least publicly. They really do seem. I'm to all get along on that one. I I think it's both of us. Well it is now it probably helps it. They're all from the same demographic you know they'll l. middle aged dudes who like sports well actually with the exception of the Northwest Territories just elected Karen Cochran says there is one woman around the tail but When really elite actually kind of heartwarming moment was when Doug Ford was tossing drama. Believes Jerseys you know. They all had their names on the back. Yeah I don't I don't know if that's how you foster national unity and his beliefs jerseys the folks desert rat nets fan tracking. It looks on associated with I think at least half the room were fans but it shows that you know this is a pretty pretty chummy group group so tell me how did this meeting actually come into existence. Yes so as you will remember of course. Justin Trudeau was elected at the end of October with a minority government and there were no seats from Alberta Saskatchewan. So we're really as a country kind of dealing with this national unity question. There's just so much frustration in the western provinces those provinces that have extractive industries and Premiums are worried about the federation coming apart frankly so they decided. Let's do something about. Let's meet sometime this year before we sit down down with the prime minister in January two hash. Oh an agenda you know some sort of platform they can put to him. That will help tackle some of these issues that are really pulling the strings of national unity and it and it really comes down to natural resources and fiscal inequality and if you look around that table that meeting there were obviously big players and then players were just happy to be there who are the loudest voices well. Jason Kenney is a huge presence and he's been a politician for so long so I think that's why he has such a great communicator. He really knows how to get his agenda across the finish line. He did that today for sure. Let me thank my colleagues here for showing that they understand the adversity Albertans are going through and folks in other parts of the country likes his catch. One and Landon Labrador. This was tremendous moment of solidarity audacity and I think Scott Mo is kind of become a bit of his wing man if you will WHO's from schedule? And of course they are really united on virtually everything that comes On that table everything that crosses that table especially natural resources and really fixing the fiscal imbalance. There is in this country what I do agree with Jason. With within the fact that this is one of the ways that we create wealth in this nation and by extension that's wealth for all Canadians and We created very differently from coast to coast to coast and their there are other allies. Doug Ford of course if interior has been a controversial presence here in this province. But he's really trying to present himself now as sort of a captain Canada. If he will will he really wants to present on -Tario and him personally as a unifier someone you can bring the country together. We may have differences but Canada is united reunited nation and as you've seen in this meeting when some of the provinces are struggling We're all there It's a roll of provinces says played in the past. I'm thinking of the constitutional negotiations of the eighties and nineties. When you know on -Tario really put its interest last to the benefit of the country trying to get some consensus on things so he's trying to do that And then there are people on the other end of the political spectrum like Dwight Ball Newfoundland Labrador and John Horgan NBC. They just happened happen to be on either side of the country they happen to be on the side of the political spectrum of of Jason Kenyans got no. They're more progressive types anytime we get an opportunity to expand a uncaring into places like new Labrador these discussions that I wanna have what role the province has in regulating activity not just of diluted bitch man but any the other products transported through British Columbia by rail by pipeline by carrier pigeon. I mean things have changed a lot. Since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was first first elected in two thousand fifteen when he sat down for the first first ministers meeting It's a liberal Lovin right. Everybody was either a liberal or premier. The exception exception of Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall as what happens when groups of Canadians got together. We found out very quickly That we have far more in common than we have differences. So what he's facing now at that premiums tables a very different group of people. It's a group of conservative minded premiums for the most part even people like Stephen Stephen McNeil from Nova Scotia. WHO's a liberal? He's kind of a right to center liberal in the maritime tradition you know he's all about Balancing the budget and being fiscally responsible and kind of restricting the size of government and even bowl I mentioned these progressive force on things like pharmacy. But he's also been slashing the deficit trying to pare back spending so this is not exactly glee the same group of people that the prime minister face the last time so things like climate change for example did not come up to date was not part of the discussion. The Okay you've I've been there for two days. What is the top of the line main takeaway for you from this meeting? Well I feel like Jason Kenny. Got Everything he wanted. I mentioned he was a good communicator. During a good politician he got all the premiers to basically sign onto his agenda end It's important to point out that they might not have signed onto this agenda agenda if we weren't facing this this national unity problem at this time one really important thing is fixing the fiscal stabilization program. Now I know that sounds really sexy entitled in policy but it is very important and even during some really tough years we have seen albertans. Britain's contributing net twenty billion dollars a year plus to the rest of the country so basically gives us a little bit back of what we put into the federation every year essentially essentially. It's a program that was created. I believe it was back in the nineteen eighties to help provinces that we're facing a downturn of sorts like in a short term budget crunch which and so the federal government has planned to kind of float some money to provinces in need but the problem is as it structured right. Now there's a cap on it so it's it's only sixty bucks per person for each province sets eligible for the stabilization program which works out to about two hundred fifty million dollars in the case of L. Berta and they are drawing on that now but the budget hole that Albert is facing because of the drop in oil prices is about nine billion dollars so that two hundred and fifty fifty million dollars from Ottawa doesn't really cover it right. It doesn't make them whole doesn't even come close to making them whole and the provinces all agreed today that they're going to ask Justin Trudeau in the the New Year to fix the stabilization program. They wanted to lift that cap they want to consider Making it for. They could have retroactive payments. That go back years years before this year. So that Ober could cash in to the tune of about almost two billion dollars and that would really help Jason Kenney get back to that balanced budget that he so desperately wants right and it would also help provinces like Newfoundland Labrador because they're also very oil-dependent province they depend on the world from selling offshore oil They've seen a real hit to their economy because of this and their budgets in tatters too and they only get about eight million dollars from the fiscal stabilization program. And that's obviously not enough to cover the losses asses. They've experienced in the last couple of years and they feel like you know the the fabric of the country depends on having provinces in good fiscal position in Ottawa. Can help with that. In Two thousand sixteen steen I represent a province Newfoundland Labrador that lost one point. One billion dollars in revenue from oil royalties. This fund would provide a new Flannel Labrador Abbott. Or seven point nine million dollars so insignificant so when you use words stabilization fun. I think the intent would be to stabilize allies. Something will it didn't work now. I think listeners are rather familiar with Alberta and says catch when we're talking about the equalization payments conversation. How is this different from the Equation Right so equalization is based on GDP capita so? It's meant to make poor provinces consumed roughly equivalent in what services they can provide to the richer provinces and so in that case Quebec really cash in because they do have a lot lower per capita than the other our provinces in the federation most notably Alberta. Even a bird is facing tough times. Right now it's still comparatively a lot richer than some of the other provinces so it's really a nonstarter therefore Quebec and the Atlantic provinces in particular people that use this program most to open up Bud equalization formula to re work at so what they're doing is going with this stabilisation relation program which is separate from equalization. It's kind of similar goal. You know it's starting to help province riot when they need it but it is more of a short term fix equalization is baked baked into the constitution as has more permanency so they really want to focus. Justin Trudeau's energies on this program to help out people like Jason Kenyan Scott and white ball who are really facing huge holes in their budgets. Right Albert. It will continue to press for reforms to equalization program. We weren't going to get into a three hour meeting today. An extraordinary meeting into a top to bottom rewrite fiscal federalism including equalization. And and. What else did Kenny Walk Away with? Another big one So they all agreed to ask Ottawa to improve in their language. Improve which I assume means amend Bill C sixty nine which is the controversial overhaul of the Environmental Impact Act and Jason Kenney knows railed eld against this bill for for months He really asked the Senate to kill it in the final days before it passed in last spring Essentially he's dubbed it. The no more pipeline's bill because it really does make a aggressive changes to how the federal government reviews major natural resources projects like pipelines and the oil sands and hydroelectric electric dams. And you name it. Anything that is natural resources related We'll go through more stringent process because of this bills so that's been the real rallying cry for the Western Alien Nation Movement. They really have made that. The poster child of why they're so frustrated with Ottawa. That in also bill forty eight northern BC OIL-TANKER BANVILLE. Of course hasn't gone over. Well either we talk about Pharma Care Healthcare northern infrastructure all the social challenges. We're dealing with the rest of the world. Would you do anything to have those kinds of resources. But so what he's a Gr- what the premiums have agreed to do. Today as I say is speakers one voice to Ottawa. Awas to ask them to change it and the big change they're going to ask them to do is to exempt natural resources projects that fall exclusively in provincial jurisdiction and that means things like the oil sands so if there is a new oil sands development proposed right under the changes. The premiums want to see the feds would not be able to review that project it would not qualify for a federal review. It would just be up to the Alberta regulator to take a look new what they call in situ oil sands developments so that'd be a huge change and that is definitely not how the liberal government is structured the legislation right now but all thirteen provinces and territories and their leaders have agreed to these conditions. So huge a huge coup for Kenny. That's a huge win. Yeah were you surprised to see all the premiers on board with this kind of frankly yes because there was talk about there they've had issues with these two pieces of legislation that I've mentioned for months now but I didn't expect the provinces to kind of give up especially provinces like British Columbia you which is stood in the way of the Trans Mountain expansion project for months now. I didn't expect them to put their name on the dotted line to some of these changes. That Kenny was asking for war. If we don't sit down periodically we've done today and come to unanimous positions on how we can mutually benefit each other then. We're going to continue to be frustrated and fractured. Even while while ago the Premier of Quebec who has done all he can to kill projects like energy e so pipeline that would move through his province to the to the east coast. They've stood in the way of natural resources sources development. They'd probably be okay with the feds. Killing projects like these through bill C sixty nine but they said today that this is really about tackling national community. We are at a point when the premier's really feel like things are not looking so good. The only thing you can had is that You know our positions on pipelines and we have discussed this subject so they're willing to kind of make some concessions to help the people of burdens catch also Newfoundland Labrador Whether these tough times So jp how in the world did someone like Jason Jason Kenney unify everybody behind what he would like well. He's a very skilled politician. I'll give him that and I think he also made the case that yes right now. It's all BERTA. Let's dealing with these big fiscal problems. But it could very well be Ontario too and and Doug Ford said that actually today that the reason why they're going along with us now is because because wasn't too long ago that Ontario was taking equalization We we saw pretty drastic recession back in two thousand eight two thousand nine. The other prisoners were onsite with Terry. When it was dealing with a manufacturing sector that was basically hollowed out you know we lost hundreds of thousands of jobs and Alberta was sending money through the equalization program to support other provinces? So Jason Kenney made the case that bird has been there in the past when things haven't gone so well elsewhere and he's very grateful pulled the premiers and the other provinces standing next to him now when when they're really facing such a really dire straits with the price of oil having dropped by almost a have and we all could've added dozens of different points into this communicate but the fact that that these colleagues have put a spotlight on one particular issue. That means is a lot to those of us going through periods of prolonged downturns. I think it means a great deal to Alberto and I just WanNa say thank you. It is nice to see their premium. Sort of making these gestures of recognizing that the problems problems of different provinces are different than their own You you mentioned earlier. That climate change wasn't on the agenda but he was such a big issue during the election. Why do you think they didn't broach? It's that topic. Well I mean they're conservative minded premiums It's just not necessarily a top priority and I think they kinda shied away from all the controversial topics so that could come. Come up with a communique you know filed document at the end of the day that had all the signatures of all the premiers on the dotted line and so they didn't talk about things like climate. Change the talk about things like bill. twenty-one of course Quebec's controversial bill that bans public servants from from wearing religious symbols and religious. Garb that didn't come up we're here to talk about common ground and respect the decisions Each province makes its way on on that issue agreed. Okay they didn't want to talk about those things and they really were gunning for consensus and I think if it was you know circa two two thousand and sixteen when Justin Trudeau sat down with the first ministers meeting didn't actually got to that carbon tax plan that they all agreed to at that time certainly climate change. Would it'd be at the top of the agenda but we're in twenty nineteen almost twenty twenty and conservative. Politics are really you know on the ascendant right now At least at the provincial level so these things have have just been left off left. They've been put to the back burner if you will right. No that one thing that will be in that Sort of unified document is the premier's asking the prime minister to make health care a priority. How is that yes so? That's always ask of the provinces. I think you could probably go back. Sixty years since Medicare is I created created breadcrumbs. Hasn't been asking for more money from the feds to deal with us. But what they have what they have here. Today is a concrete ask. They want to increase the the rate. At which which healthcare spending in this country grows right now. It's at three percent so the feds will increase our transfers to the provinces each year by three percent but the premiums I want to see that grow to five point two percent a year so that would add about a billion dollars more from the feds to help the provinces pay for healthcare. And they're saying this. This is really our number one. Ask currently in our province right now. Less than twenty percents of healthcare is provided by the federal government and is who flanders and laboratory instead of To pay for the remaining eighty percent. You know we wanted to help Alberta and Scotch with the fiscal stabilization program. But we all really need more money. They said today that healthcare Karen this country's at a crisis point That people are waiting far too long for the services. They need and to to help with that. They need money from Ottawa And I think is really interesting waiting to hear Brian Pallister today in particular from Manitoba he said I know the feds are really hung up on this National Pharma Care Plan that they have they really want to do something about about prescription drugs if you can't sustain healthcare and all the multitude of services if you can't get that right don't start with another program get that right start in getting that right because there are too many people across this country waiting far too long to get care in emergency rooms for hours in pain waiting for me or a hip and so he's trying to throw the brakes on. I think on this national farmer care plan that the prime minister promised in the last election. He's saying that. Take the money that you've committed to that in your platform and give it to us to help pay for things like knee replacements and cataract surgeries things that we do right right now and they're shortchanged so if your Prime Minister Trudeau or Christa. Freeland the new minister of Intergovernmental Affairs. What are you seeing when you look at this group or premieres and meet and the meaning that they just had like? What is your reaction? Well things aren't looking so good. I mean they might be able to play ball on the fiscal stabilization. Asian front. They might be able to do something about that but you know. None of the liberal government's priorities came up today right and you know we live in in federation it requires choirs. Working with the federal government has to work with the provinces to get anything done. And if you look at Justin Trudeau's platform from the last election. A lot of the things. Though the funding commitments commitments he made depend on provinces. Going along on Pharma. Care like I mentioned but also Plans for national childcare system how they want to fund healthcare which is not how the provinces wanted the feds want earmarks money for certain things like mental health. Home Care. They don't just want to cut check and allow the provinces suspended as they want the liberals want to weigh in on how they're going to use it housing reform in the candidate pension plan. You know boosting the survivor benefit Rolling William Infrastructure Money Signing Internal Trade Agreement banning handguns. We recognize that there are elements on which conservative premier's don't want to act act whether it's the fight against climate change or investing in communities but we're going to continue to focus on Canadians on the investments they need and on the fight against climate. Change all these things depend on working with the provinces and territories and none of those issues and I mean none of those issues were addressed at any length by the premier's here today now you've got a relatively unified bench of premieres. Could that bench actually ended up being a more effective opposition to Trudeau than the actual opposition itself. Oh that's a question. Potentially I mean Andrew Scheer right now always facing calls for his head right And he is mired in this leadership review process. That is really not going. So well to this point He needs to save his own. Hide ahead of April when Party members will vote at convention here in Toronto on whether to Holier Ship Review. So he's going to be really focused on keeping the party membership happy. He's going to be on the road a lot meeting with party members over the next several months so it might fall to this group of conservative minded premiers to be the opposition position to stand in the way of the liberal government's agenda on some of these more progressive items like Pharma Care Lake going further and further on climate change. They definitely definitely have some levers. They can pull at the provincial level because so much of what the prime minister wants to do depends on them. Going along and many of them don't seem too keen to do that so I think we could absolutely see that resistance. Member that Maclean's magazine cover from a few months back at conservative. Premier's standing around with that title resistance in opposition to Justin Trudeau agenda. That wasn't my word. I don't think it was the word of my call. Expect cover speaks to the power photoshop. None of us knew that was going to be on the front page or none of I would have even taken the pitcher. We could see that. Play out over the next couple of months especially especially at the liberal government. Just ignores the communique that comes out of this meeting meeting which was agreed to as I said unanimously by all thirteen provinces and territories. Well this could get dicey. Thank you so much for guiding us through the premier's meeting and this new a unified front. JP tasker thank you. Thanks let me wrong. And that's all for for today. But before I say goodbye I wanNA tell you something. Pretty Cool Front burners having his very first live show in front of an audience and if you live near Toronto please join us. It's called sounds of the season. It's a show that takes place on Friday December six I it's an annual festive. Charity Event added a raises money for local food. Banks Front burner will be on stage with special guests including me from ten. Am to eleven. 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Canadas Road Ahead: Ganders famous airport, and the pandemics economic impact
"Throughout the nineteen eighty s strange phenomenon was sweeping north america. They were in a panic and like people in a panic. They want solutions allegations of underground satanic cults torturing and terrorizing children. The thing is there were no satanic cults preying on children and nearly thirty years later the people touched by it. All are still picking up. The pieces isn't a work of fiction. This is a work of history satanic panic available now. This is a cbc podcast. Today we are starting a new series on the current. It is called canada's road ahead. Like terry fox's marathon of hope. We will follow the trans canada highway or close to it each week we will pull into a small town. Virtually unfortunately to speak with canadians about how they are coping with covid nineteen and what the road ahead might look like. We're kicking things off on the rock and beautiful gander newfoundland and like all good road trips first things first. I need some coffee. Hi. i'm arlene. Bishop the operator owner of the gander breadbox here in gander. Steve bishop marley's lesser half and I am The baker one of the bakers marlins the baker. She does the cookies and bread. We just celebrated our tenth anniversary in december. so we were riding on the high and then The lockdown came down. everything closed. We stayed open but not anywhere near full capacity so for about a week i was quite panicked thinking that we might lose it. Well you know you're watching your your bank account dwindled and dwindled. And you're thinking how you're going to do this and you know you've got you still got the bills to pay and we were. We were definitely worried. We stuck through the first week with the staff and that then we realized that we couldn't keep our staff on. It was a good thing at the time. The government rolled out the serb so as business owners who feel very responsible for our team. We didn't want them to be left out. So as a result We ended up laying everybody off when the restrictions eased up. We get a lot busier than expected. We were going to People just got back and wanted to do things in customers were amazing so the community and surrounding areas just really really had backs. I have one of my customers said. I want ten loads a multi grain bread said and. I want you to put your tag on it. He's because i'm giving that away and hand me a hundred dollar bill and he walks door and this is the kind of thing that was happening. I had a lot of people they were buying to. The in buying four loves bread and they were just paying it forward and all those little things helped along the way for sure. It's actually the things that are looming right now. Kind of scary when you look at The airport naff candida neff count in particular right down with all the projected layoffs that have been given we. We've huge support from huge customer base from there and look at the fact that thirty plus jobs or on the block at the moment that's going to have a huge effect on every business in the community during the pandemic we had a small contract with the airport where we supply some sandwiches and stuff and there's no activity at the airport now so that we've lost that kind of business even just on a on. The one person that you know works for nab canada. Who's now laid off. I mean they're going to really consider what we're going to spend their money. The will have an effect on us to you. Figure there's a light at the end of the tunnel. It's might be a logger tunnel than we hope for. An montlake might not be that break. But it's there. Where do you find. Hope my customers and i. We're very fortunate to have the love of our customers. And i get choked up when i say that because there are family when people come through this door. I know a little bit about them. You don't be in this business for eleven years and not have people part of your life and to give me a lot of hope. Now who marlene. And steve bishop from gander breadbox. Now if you aren't a regular at the breadbox chances are you're still familiar with gander on september eleventh. When planes were forced to land thirty eight guided by ganders control into gander international airport. Thousands of passengers were welcomed a story that many of us know thanks to the musical. Come from away in as you heard from. Marlene and steve. This iconic aviation community is facing hard times right the president and ceo of the gander international airport. Reg good morning. good morning. How important is air travel to gander. Everyone error has Has some jet fuel running through their veins. I think it accounts for about one in five jobs. And of course when you see what's happened with the pandemic Over the last year You can appreciate that we We have a pretty pretty sizable exposure in terms of job loss. Loss business and other negative impacts so describe for me what the gander airport would look like today compared to say your ago. Yeah i mean ganor gainers. Smaller market of course serves about one hundred thousand people and beautiful central new land. And you know a year ago. Today there'd be there'd be we'd have twelve twelve flights a day and now we're down to two and there'd be people coming and going competing workers coming and going people taking starting playing winter escapes and Right now it's very much. I tell people. It's like being a night watchman at a museum. It's quite empty. There's been a sizable job loss at the airport. The ticket counters largely empty The most active people here are generally to cleaners. I'd heard you describe it as a bit like hanging on via fingernail on the side of a cliff we've been like that since It's been an agonizing year waiting for us watching the service withdraw and then you know in december We'd gone from nine. Daily air canada flights before destinations to a single daily flight to halifax and you know we were hoping against hope that we could retain it and then we got the news that as of This friday that's that's being discontinued as well. What impact is that going to have people in gander when that the air canada has pulled all of its roots In and out of that airport. Yeah i i think the impact functionally psychologically is sizable. You'll appreciate when you live in a remote community in thailand destination. That's very trade trade-dependent just how important it is to have daily national service to mainland canada. That's without at. you're not really in the game. This is a massive challenge for us to navigate going forward. I hate to say it. I've always felt like our airport was built for battle will always find a way to remain solvent. But it makes the question on the other side. If you don't have that daily service for your residence You know what's the point. It's interesting that you say there's a psychological blow to that as well. Let me tell me more about that. What it means to people because obviously there's an economic element one in five people are working there. But but psychologically what does that mean when when air candidate pulls up stakes. Well i think one one is just the dissolution of such a long standing relationship and eric and they inaugurated service and may of nineteen forty two candor. Airport was then the newfoundland airport air. Canada was known as trans canada airlines. So so they've service market before. Newfoundland was part of canada and You know the longest interruption in service that we saw whereas the following the nine eleven incident you know once you all their services closed so you know we're we're long term friends and You know sometimes a relationship could be fractious and sometimes we didn't think we were service at a level that we wanted to. But they've stuck with us through a lot of bumps but i'm you know i guess the pandemic was was too high decline. How frustrating is it for you. I mean this is out of your control and there might be that long relationship at air. Canada would say this is a business decision. People aren't flying and they're worried that they've made the case against For example quarantines being as long as they are. They say that they need to do this. But for you. I mean knowing the airport. How frustrating is it that that there's nothing you can do this. It's been orderly agonizing. And i think You know the ancient greeks defined misery is trying to control that which you can't personally control. I think they were talking about mortality. But i have to tell ya Being in a leadership position at a place like this and to know that your future and a lot to a large extent depends on the the policy support. That's going to be offered by a couple levels of government is a very scary place to be and it doesn't matter what kind of business you're wanting couldn't be sort of a community based not for profit like we are but you really want to be able to pull levers and do the things you can yourself to solve your problems and i'll continue to try to do that. The only thing i'll say with an airport is that There are essential so you know we. We stayed open but it's not for commercial reasons at all. There's no reason the commercially to be open We're open to provide essential services during the pandemic many of them healthcare moving essential goods and people. You talk about medevac area. Water fighting and we put into place a very aggressive steady plan. But you know you don't save your way out of a revenue problem. I think the stakes are or what's most worrying because you'll know candidates such a long linear beautiful country but it's so sparsely located so it's not just about you know who does air canada and westjet service. I mean in our home that has can of the aviation is is the load bearing walls and holds it all together so as we look at this critical issue. It's really a nation building. It's not just about. What support can we provide to airlines. And what role they play. An economic recovery is like how important are these bonds that hold us together. How are you doing in all of this. I mean this is tough for everybody. You mentioned being in a leadership position and you have people that that rely noon. Rely on the airport For employment how are you doing and all this question. Well let me put it this way. I always try to keep some context this and say myself and my loved ones every your health through all this so i'll be grateful for that but i'd be lying if i told you my wife said to me you know over christmas. She's like twenty. Twenty was not the best of you and i think like many canadians. You're you're lonely or angry or more frustrated. Some cases fatter but I think i'm all the above. So i it's been very trying. I try to navigate the stress. The best you can but it's been been a tough year. The not just for myself. I know i know there are many people in a much worse position but Certainly it's been forgetful. I was glad to see the year. Go be honesty into the rear view mirror. You and me both you know you're smart funny friends who always seem to have the best celebrity gossip. I'm talking about the ones who always know. We should be watching or reading or listening to or what have you could pick their brains every week. Pop chat is a brand new podcast. But does exactly that and feels like spending time with your best friend. So join me alameda. Abdul mahmoud and a panel of the smartest culture critics that i know as we dissect the discourse but also have a great time doing it. Hey parents if you're looking for some screen free family fun will you're staying home. Check out the story store podcasts. From cbc kids cbc podcasts. New story store shorties are released every week. These short original and hilarious stories fit anywhere near day from breakfast to bedtime. The story store available on smart speakers. or wherever. you get your favorite podcasts. Reg let me bring in another guest and somebody. I'm sure you know. Well percy farwell is the mayor of gander mayor. Good morning to you could morning. We heard reggie talk a bit about that but from your perspective as as the civic leader how important is a healthy airports to a healthy gander. Connie it's It's vitally important This community would not exist airport. It's one of those rare situations where you know. A community exists to support an airport. And not the other way around. You know on like the image that many people have smaller communities in newfoundland and labrador. We are not an airport where an airport. So it's It's you know a vital concern to us. You know our economy and our culture is dependent on the movement and congregation of people and access and connection to the rest of the world. And what we're seeing is serious restrictions on all that and it's not just air canada pulling out some flights or all the flights. Now there's navc canada. Which has the traffic control station there at gander. And they've announced half candidate has that layoffs are coming soon as well. It's just pain upon misery. I suppose absolutely. I mean you know as i said we're we're we're in aviation based community we have a major presence of candidate hearing gander. We are people who live in our community control. All the traffic transits the north atlantic and of course in the absence of passengers and not as many aircraft or transiting the north atlantic and consequently not as many air traffic controllers are required so We've been hit very hard in from that perspective in terms of employment and so on they may have canada in a couple of different rounds of Of cuts the last number months have removed fifty one positions from the gary area control centre which probably represents six seven million dollars worth of wages in our little in our little community. So and you can imagine the The trickle down from from from that loss so it it is significant. We had a. We have a local company. Here that was providing You know contract it's to provide Flights to To smaller Routes within the atlantic canada contract with canada and those routes of in long since cancel during the pandemic. And that means for this. I'm relatively small company here in our community. The loss of a thirty seven million dollar a year contract and constriction of the workforce that goes. Everyone goes along with that. So that's all you know serious concern to us. Obviously and then there's the the whole impact on the the attractiveness of the area to common living. I do business. And when you really don't see much much way to get in and out of it and so on and to provide health services when you don't have you know we we don't have ready. Access to the region for for securing comes that are critical to maintaining services. Is that something that you worry about the attractiveness of your community. The fact that those jobs aren't there people may not move there but they also may not stay there. That's right. I mean you know we pride ourselves on being a vibrant progressive community and and this certainly dampens. It has threatens to dampen the that sort of View of our community That we're not. We're determined not to let that happen. But that's i guess that's just part of the job at hand for all of us you know. We're doing our part here where we're following the rules or flattening the curve where lining up to get vaccinated and and because of that. I think we enjoy a certain level of personal freedom here in newfoundland labrador. Currently that is the envy of Some some other parts of the country as a result but We're seeing here. Sort of an unraveling we in terms of the connectivity. With the rest of the country we're witnessing unraveling of the national fabric and our province in our community and regions becoming increasingly. Reg when you here. But that about the unraveling of the fabric there are people who call in the airlines will do that themselves call for help and look for bailouts. Look for assistance from government. Do you think that people understand the relationship potentially between helping those big airline corporations and small airports like the one that you are running. No no i don't at all. I think they view the the requests for aid for airlines through a very specific lands and You know this is not a combination of canada but hayden airlines is sort of a national sports. You know somewhere around between hockey and lacrosse or two. it's just. I don't think it's because they lost their bags. But some of the perception there can be can be difficult. And i think to some extent is kind of impeding. The federal government's ability to provide a meaningful aid package. Now you know. I would rather i posit the question. Not why should air canada westjet. No there's get aid is that why shouldn't they. I mean if you look at what's been received left-hander group kalem france there. They've got an eleven billion american delta united got eleven billion sort of cares you know and what we're seeing here is. You're seeing these dots. Just wiped off the map and most of these were at one time considered sacrilegious losing services vital places like yukon cape breton island saint john number fredericton new brunswick a capital. So i mean this. Is that mayor's. This is not a perfectly what he's saying it's a it isn't unraveling of the fabric that holds us together. Part of the part of the resistance might be you mentioned losing your bags that people get their back up when they hear that. You're going to bail. The you know the same company that would charge a thirty dollars per cent. Which or still has your money for the trip that you couldn't go on last year because the flights were cancelled because of the pandemic. No no. I understand it. I mean i'm in line like like everyone else. I've got seven thousand dollars tied up in I wanted to take my young kids disneyworld. I gotta feeling by the time. I got to go. I'm going to be taking them into grandchildren. But i do understand that. But i think in the same way that we've all got him said. Listen i'm gonna wear a mask. I'm not gonna congregate in groups. I'm gonna limit my family exposure. We've all done things for the greater good during this pandemic and i think people will have a hard time. Look at me and saying that. No it's not in the greater. Good that airlines be viable on the other side of this one of the reasons why we are having these conversations. We're going to kind of weave our way across the country do some of this actual real life and get out on the road. Is that in the midst of all of this. We want to hear about the hope that canadians have for better days ahead. What do you find hope in when it comes to the business in gander at the port but also the people who rely on most businesses. Mr merrill start with you. Well i think there is always hope there there has to be. There has to be hope. I mean we we one thing about our culture here in newfoundland labrador. We've become rather accustomed to dealing with Difficult circumstances and we have survived and You know through our ingenuity and our Willingness to support to support each other and and to find that light at the end of the tunnel. What about regimen. You walk through that airports and it should be bustling and in the morning you go and as you say. It's a bit of a ghost town empty museum. Where where are you finding. hope there. Yeah i agree with the mayor. Said i've really had to work very hard to trying to conjure. Hope because there haven't been a lot of signs of it of recently but this will become a footnote in history at one point and to echo to mayors comets. The new zealanders got a couple of characteristics. That i don't know if they're then we'd be you know canadian more so than being from newfoundland but i mean people are fair tougher to galvanize nail. It's we're loved. We're used to hard living and we're pretty resourceful. I mean we most people here fancy themselves as being able to put the tail even the squid so we will with some help we will find a way to the other side and brought her. Days are ahead. It is beautiful part of the country. And i wish you the very best and can't wait to get back out there. It's great to speak with you both. Thank you very much. Thank you take care. Bye-bye by bye-bye read right is the ceo of the gander. international airport. and percy farwell. Is the mayor of gander newfoundland. That is our first stop across the country on our canada's road ahead special series next week we're rolling into antonitsch nova scotia for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.
Tuesday, May 26th
"Welcome to the daily brief the world. Oil podcast network daily review of market news emerging trends new technologies and the people who are advancing the oil and gas industry. Here's Cameron Wallace with your top news. Stories of the day. Hello and welcome to the world. Oil Daily brief podcast. I'm Cameron Wallace and today is Tuesday. May The twenty sixth day of Short Week here in the United States? But there's still quite a bit happening elsewhere in the world of oil and gas so we're going to take a look at what our friends to the north in Canada are doing. Their trade associations have been engaged in a unified effort over the past couple of weeks to advocate for the future of their own got sector. So we're GONNA take a look at that and talk about what else is happening in regards to regulations and demand. That could sort of be what happens when you don't take these sort of actions that are happening up in Canada. Today's episode of the daily brief is brought to you in part by Siemens with a global population expected to rise. Nearly thirty percent by two thousand fifty. The world is evolving rapidly and so are the challenges harmful emissions chief among them therefore the solutions must evolve rapidly. If we are to meet society's ever-growing demand for clean energy Siemens partners with oil and gas customers to navigate the new normal delivering what matters most safety efficiency reliability sustainability and ultimately peace of mind so to help us get our heads around. All this is Kurt Abraham Editor in Chief World magazine on the show today. Thanks Karen Even when you think things are quiet you've got Certain activities bubbling under the surface. And this is one of them maybe not so under the surface really because The folks up in what we call the Atlantic Canada region have really been quite busy at work here over the last couple of weeks trying to mountain effort to get some help for their Stream oil and gas sector there principally off Newfoundland but certainly There would be some need for some help off of the Nova Scotia as well for instance and what's interesting is About up to two weeks ago as the time that we're recording this there was a An initial townhall where they solicited a lot of opinions the Newfoundland and Labrador Oil and Gas Industry Association did then. There was a second townhall last week which our technical editor. Craig Fleming monitored and Which we reported on somewhat Both on the website and we made mention here on the podcast last week. Now Since then there has been additional work at hand and that resulted in a another session. On Tuesday morning with Various elected officials of the Newfoundland and Labrador and the industry folks and it was a briefing for the media and other interested parties and What they declared hunt Tuesday morning is that will really. I should say fees they afternoon. are Newfoundland time Tuesday morning Houston time but they have declared that they're joining together a united front seeking help from the government of Canada to support local oil and gas in what they term an industry crisis Both the provincial premier which that would be like a governor of a US state of provincial. Premier Dwight Ball and the natural resources minister for Newfoundland. Labrador Shiben cody. We're joined by a number of industry players when they made that announcement They said that downturn in the industry caused by foreign overproduction a dramatic drop in demand due to the global pandemic represent a loss of sixty one billion dollars to the provincial GDP between now and twenty thirty a perhaps the most revealing statement out of the entire briefing. That I know of so far and again. We're waiting to get additional details from Craig who listening this morning but This statement I think is very telling and this is a very very distinct contrast to what went on or did not go on in the state of Texas with the Railroad Commission but the Premier Dwight Ball says the import of foreign oil is not an option. I believe he means that for the entire country. Canada not just Newfoundland and Labrador and with the offshore supply. Light sweet crude which they turn me cleaner type of oil investment. In local industry up there is essential and The CEO of the Association of a Charlene Johnson said the impact on the local industry cannot be understated therefore The province officially governmentally has joined with the council of Atlantic Premiers in corresponding with the federal government to ensure foil continued investment and opportunity for local oil and gas industries so the provincial premier. Dwight Ball wrote a letter to Canadian. Federal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau detailing the provinces need for action from the FEDS The council premiers. Also Roy wrote a joint letter to the prime minister. And so it's going to be very very interesting to see what goes on from here That that statement about foreign oil is certainly different than anything we heard out of officials down in the US right now. They don't have the specter of literally. Dozens of tankers sitting off the coast waiting to disgorge their cargoes in throw off their markets. Accordingly saw Interesting that they're being proactive with that statement. No that's true now. We we must say the lack of that Spector. I think one of the reasons that they are so driven to try to get some action out of the Canadian. Federal Government is a fact that the province as put an awful lot of money into Exploration and when we say exploration we're talking about seismic exploration over the last. Oh I guess about eight years now. And it's really paid dividends of for them in terms of identifying new prospects to drill and that has also initially resulted in some of those Flemish pass discoveries featuring Ecuador and and some other Prospects that the operators either started to do or about the drill. Of course the pandemic is interrupted. All of that but They put a lot of money into the effort and they don't want to see that you know go down the drain be paused. Like can't get a united policy with the federal government According to what I've heard so far out of the day session things are concerned about is. The federal government hasn't said anything. In still there a bit upset with that obviously. Yeah you know it's A. I think it's important for these organizations to be taken. These proactive approaches. Because when you look at what's happening with some of the larger multinational sorts of groups like the IEA for example. You know sometimes. These developments aren't always pursued in quite a way that would be beneficial to oil and gas. I know that This weekend we saw story where not barrel. The head of the International Energy Agency was saying basically warning that unless there is some according to government effort that he foresees that oil and gas demand will not only return but return higher than it was prior to the pandemic. He's insofar as they say that You know this would not be a positive thing. This was something that he these challenge to the Paris accord challenge to efforts to reduce greenhouse gases etc et CETERA. So you know there is an opportunity for oil and gas to come back but the sorts of people who you think would see that as a positive thing are necessarily doing so no. That's right and It's interesting to me that good. Mr Berle. The Not A timeframe when he said that he thought that it was certainly possible. That the man not only come back to where he had been but exceed the previous Demand Peak and You know it's it's easy to toss hypotheses out there without giving any kind of timeframe that's for sure. I think you know he's he likes. He's thinking generalities saying that. Just because the you know advanced Western societies have all taken a liking to using zoom for teleconferencing. That doesn't mean that the cheaper oil won't encourage some smaller and less developed parts of the world to increase their own use. So he's I think he sees this loyal prices of risk to increasing demand and also creating a shift in usage from the some of the first world nations to some of the more emergence whaling he also drew parallels between now and the two thousand eight two thousand nine financial crisis which is rather interesting. Which back then. Of course we do know that oilman suffered a major annual drop but then the consumption increased again so he thinks that That type of scenario is highly likely at least in the short run where you're going to have a big pickup assuming that The affects from Cova. Don't last beyond what we think they will right right and it looks like Kurt. Not only is the I. E. Concerned about loyal prices encouraging industry. Tickets eye off the ball comes to environmental and social governments goals. There's an industry group called the oil and gas climate initiative members of whom represent some of the largest super majors in the industry and they Today issued a letter saying that that they are concerned that loyal prices are going to encourage people to look past some of these prior environmental goals and thus caused some problems. They want to see some pretty dramatic changes of their own. Well it's interesting that some the signatories to this open letter From this group are the very same companies that are you know selling an awful lot of refined product and or producing a lot of oil. So I'm not sure what the motivation is there. Or is it a case of where they're just trying to play both sides of the street and and hope that they stay in the middle somewhere but looks like a lot of these companies on here? You could argue would benefit significantly from making nice with Wall Street and other financial houses to make sure that the they're doing whatever it takes to keep the keep the money flowing said keep the lights on. Yeah well. That's that's why of what I'm referring to when I say that looks like they're trying to play. Both sides of the street are trying to very quietly. Probably take advantage of the increased. Demand is it comes back at the same time. They're trying to look like they're being you know great world citizens and so you've got that angle going on with this latest letter so we'll have to see walk. Yeah so in this letter. They're talking about accelerating emission reduction efforts within their own organizations continuing to support the development implementation scale up of innovative low-carbon solutions in oil and gas and other industries advancing opportunities to scale up commercially viable environmentally responsible and safe Carbon Capture. Houston storage programs. And finally this Kinda points back to what Dr Barrel was saying continue to support governments as they design efficient policies that can accelerate energy transitions. So it sounds like the heads of all the companies that you'd think of top your head and you think of the Super Major Andy I e a r agreement that is going to be up to the governments to figure out a way forward for our industry to be cleaner and more environmentally responsible. So one of the line items in this This letter talks about advance opportunities to scale commercially. Viable environmentally responsible and save carbon capture used storage projects. The problem with that is I have seen at least to myself of of these projects that were postponed. Put on hold due to Covid nineteen and have to be more than that so First of all these companies are going to have to catch up on what they've already postponed and then the scale up and coming up after that so The the time frame on that is going to be a little more extended than might be indicated by this note Also I find it rather interesting that one of the line items is to accelerate emissions reduction efforts in their own companies such as through contain reductions in methane emissions. Now this is interesting because our friends at the National Energy Technology Laboratory Within the Department of Energy are in the middle of doing extensive research on nothing reductions from production operations in other oilfield activities so It's going to be interesting to see if there's a joint effort between the various entities at some point or whether we're GONNA see people following separate tracks. Yeah there's really any indication at this point of what path they're going to take. But that's that's an excellent point near there are some worthwhile. Government led initiatives to try to address these various emissions. Hopefully they can intersect at some point and Rita mutually beneficial result. So that's kind of what we're looking at this week. It's been a quiet week down here in the states but again there's quite a bit happening in Canada and obviously Aware Mr or Dr. TB role is located. So there's plenty for us to keep up with so with that Kurt Abraham thanks for joining US and helping us get our heads around all this today. All right thank you so much cameron. Thanks for listening to the daily brief on the world oil podcast network. If you have any questions or comments on the program please email editorial at world oil dot com and check the show notes for more information about today's episode. Don't forget to subscribe either on Apple podcasts. 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As the oil industry struggles, are national leaders waiting until it's too late to intervene?
"Welcome to the daily brief. The world oil podcast network daily review of Market News, emerging trends, new technologies and the people who are advancing the oil and gas industry. Here's Cameron, Wallace with your top news stories of the day. Hello and welcome to the World Oil Daily Brief podcast I'm Cameron Wallace and his Sunday July, the twenty sixth, and as we get ready to end-july, there are few things that are still kind of lingering continuing on the course of this month that need to be covered. Namely some of the service companies are continuing to have to make some financial and personnel cuts in order to adapt to our new coolidge fueled economy, so take a look at some of the things that are developed that recently. And then we'll move up north and take a look at what's happening. In Canada, particularly in the Newfoundland and Labrador region where the Trade Association neue has been taking some extraordinary steps to defend their own wellbeing, and some activity seems a finally coming of those efforts and finally come back down to Texas. The Texas Railroad. Commission has interestingly has resolution or the leader of the Texas Railroad. Railroad Commission has passed a resolution accusing Russia and Saudi Arabia of dumping oil on the United States markets, so that sounds quite familiar to something. We discussed with a commission a few months ago, so we're going to take a look at that as well so to help us get through. This is Kurt. Abraham editor in chief of world oil magazine, so Kurt thanks for being here today. Thank you Karen and I think to some of last week's Eve- events. You could say it could use the theme what goes around comes around because it seems like we're having a case of Deja Vu on a few things or as a young bear, the hall of Fame Baseball. Player used to say Deja. Vu all over again. first of all, we need to take a look at what's going on with the service companies because what we anticipated back in April would happen is definitely happening and in in quite. Stringent quantities I would say the big item that occurred on Friday is the news from slumber Jay, and and and what's interesting about this story where they're cutting jobs is the fact that they actually put a number to it all the way up until now I don't think we've ever seen a story. Come directly out of slumber Jay where they've pegged a number two things, but they are now and they probably have to do this because. Because the financial community is going to demand a number, so they said on Friday. They're cutting twenty one thousand jobs on week, second quarter sales, and with what they with what they call a dismal outlook. They said they posted their weakest sales and fourteen years, so they're cutting one fifth of their workforce, going which is right now about one, hundred, five, thousand or going to cut twenty one thousand jobs. That is just incredibly significant they said that various restructuring and impairment charges that go along with that will cost another two point seven billion, so they're gonNA spend a billion on the job severance and another two point seven billion on these other costs for a grand total three point seven billion. Just, really really significant activity here by slumber, J., or Chief AG's executive officer Olivier Latouche. This has probably been the most challenging quarter in past decades. And subsequent ways of potential cove in nineteen resurgence pose a negative risk to this outlook, and we certainly can't disagree with his assessment of that, so looks like they're going to try to get this done over the next quarter or so. We'll have to see how the timing works on on that. We've had some other news, right? It's not just a slumber J.. of grading waves in water noticed not Baker Hughes. Innate announcement back on Wednesday is a part of their quarterly earnings. Call regarding how they are also adapting to the new realities of the market. They were giving any specifics in terms of job. Numbers like slumber J.. Did and it still had a little bit of that old ged flavor in some of the statements that Lorenzo Simon. Ellie made regarding the financial challenge ahead of them, but they did say that they are working towards a seven hundred million dollar rightsizing campaign to reduce costs by seven hundred million dollars. Dollars and refocus on more profitable business lines. So that is the course they're taking a think. Their actual quarterly results were little better than people had been counting on. So that's a positive, but you know none of these service. Companies seem to be able to escape. As we discussed last time last time around halpern seemed to have does a bit of a bullet that they were acting pretty proactively before these other companies really got into making cuts in earnest, so that might have really paid off, but you know one thing that I find really interesting is how solemn all of these service companies projections are for the rest of twenty twenty and starting to get into the beginning of twenty twenty one. because. It seems like not too long ago. We were all. Expecting things to turn around fairly quickly and be even more media more robust at the beginning of next year, but now it would appear that that they are looking at this being a longer term issue. Then we might have initially thought. I think that's correct. Summation the situation and furthermore. I would add this There's there's two things I see happening here one. I think we're in the midst. Of, sooner or later, seeing an exit, this of some operators and a redirection of some service companies assets out of the United States into international activity. It feels very much like the early nineteen nineties all over again, We'll have to wait and see how this plays out, but it's showing the early signs of that. Another thing to think about is one of the investment houses. Put out on Friday a revised outlook for oil demand up particularly in the US, but as a whole in the world as well, and they have lowered their projections through October essentially are now showing flat usage from the third week of July, all the way through October. And so, that's a bit of a sobering note. There probably fairly on target with this. You could argue about some of the nuances, but the thing to be of concern is. You've got OPEC, plus which just recently within the last couple of weeks said Oh. Hey, you know. We think things are getting better and We're going to probably put another million barrels a day of production back on the market during the month of August, so they might want to rethink that strategy because I suspect that if they put that million barrels a day back right now, we're going to knock the price down. Just a little over forty dollars, a barrel probably closer back to about thirty. or low thirties and that's not good. Will, to your point Kurt. I think it's probably very instructive for us to have the advantage of companies like slumber, J., and all of their resources and their. You know experts making these assessments, because frankly I suspect that these are probably going to be the least political in terms of projections, and what could be expected to happen at least political assessments that we get you know. The Lord knows that OPEC and OPEC plus have their agenda. The EA certainly has an agenda when it comes to what someone who really has skin in the game. That I was going to happen. Is Those Service Companies? Or you're quite right. The Service Companies Have Lana capabilities for gauging supply demand for goods and services out there in the field. They've got a lot of folks working out in the field. They're talking to their customers directly all the time They're certainly going to have other finger on the pulse so What what they're saying I believe is a very close to what's going to happen now. That having been said were in the course of working on our own forecast for the mid year, which will come out in September were still really in the process of conducting surveys and getting data back, but I can tell you. We've seen some really interesting things in some the early numbers that have come in. Things like companies doing a reasonable amount of activity in the first half and scheduling, absolutely no drilling in the second half of the year or speaking of the US in particular. So we're going to have to see how much that trend continues because I could have. Not only market implications, but certainly could have historical ramifications as well but you know it's not just here in the US. Where you've got people talking about What's happening in terms of affects on various companies due to what's going on in the market? We've got the situation up there in Canada, right? That's right I was just about to say the service companies down here in the states have a little bit of a different situation because they don't seem to have quite as focused a trade association as Canada's Neue. fighting for them in their corner and Noah's been really getting after it lately. Oil that's true the noisiest by the way for those who don't know stands for Newfoundland and Labrador oiling. Gas Industries Association so you can see why they go by an ally because that's quite a mouthful but I gotTa tell you. of all the associations I've worked with an unseen over many years I. Don't believe ever seen a trade association work as hard and with such tenacity for what they want as this group annoyance in Saint. John's has done over really about the last. See about Three and a half months now it's really a sight to behold, and they're not giving up, and in fact, it's been interesting because last public comment that have been made about what the Canadian federal government might do to help them. In terms of significant incentives was on June, the fourth from the natural. Resources Minister Shameless Oregon, races? Oh, yeah, yeah, you know something's GonNa Happen soon. We recognize how important the offshore in East Canada is at Cetera and then nothing. I mean five weeks went and nothing so some of you who read the website of saw our editorial. It was posted on July the ninth. this was after that five week period of nothing happening then another woman a week went by with silence once again, so then we enquired directly to the minister's Office on July Seventeenth, requesting some sort of statement well Lo and behold. We got the statement earlier last week. And, it was a real doozy. It really said nothing other than what they've already done. which is not that much the most significant item that they've done so far was to shorten the timeframe for doing environmental assessments for exploration drilling offshore. That has some significance, but it's not really what the folks Newfoundland Labrador were asking for was really asking for or Norwegian style incentives, and what we mean by that is Norway during June, and actually really starting in May, but it took. Took a couple of rounds of actions. instituted some very significant tax breaks or both exploration and development work, which probably accounts for the fact that we've received a survey return back from the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate, and they're only calling for a ten percent reduction in Norwegian drilling this year. That is probably the reason, and so the folks in Newfoundland. Labrador's saying we'd like that, too, because we've got a lot of resource here. We've got a lot of potential for production we. Could easily have a lot more drilling and further exploration work, but we've got to have something to jump. Start it, and that is what is missing, so you know just to be sure that we weren't misinterpreting what the minister's office sent us. We shared that a set of statements. They send us with the an ally up there in Saint John's with the CEO Charlene Johnson and boy. Do we get some reaction from her? I'm not going to go through everything but Basically they're. They're upset with the federal officials because I feel like federal officials have no vision whatsoever and just don't seem as she put it to get it, and and that's that's the core of the problem. You'll be able to see this. Story if you go up to the website we've put it in the newsletter that went out for the weekend, so there's plenty of ways to go. See it, but you know obviously they're going to continue to fight for something more concrete. Than just you know. Some of the covid measures then have been instituted by the federal officials in Ottawa for all industries, so it's not like they did anything special other that small piece about the environmental assessments. So quite quite the story that goes on up there but they. They cited some interesting numbers. I. JUST WANNA share a couple of these with you because it's really Really gut wrenching. they you know they're only a province of five hundred thousand people. The provincial government says it'll be done eleven billion dollars in revenue over the next ten years the GDP Newfoundland Labrador would be down. Fifty five billion dollars over the next ten years of nothing is done eludes ninety thousand person hours of employment, not sure how you calculate that. And there are some other things in here Let's see if I can find some of this. They noted that you could have had if the government had simply agreed and they got close to. It agreed to give a three hundred fifty million dollar tax break. To Ecuadoran it's partner Husky energy to go ahead and start up the Baidu nor development project, because that's the next one that's potentially on the schedule that would have gone ahead and started up. What will be an eleven billion dollar project for the province? Actually no I'm sorry, not eleven. It'll be about seven seven. Six point eight now could go higher, but you know three hundred fifty million dollar investment up Front for seven billion dollar project down. The line doesn't seem like a lot of. effort that's needed by the federal government. So. And going back to the question of the point about doing Norwegian style tax incentives just on Friday. Ecuador announced their q two results, and they were able to tell you. Prophet of six, hundred, forty, six, million, using a net income of six, hundred, forty, six, million and second quarter, and that was in due in great part to tax refunds, and also some other incentives around marketing of produced products. So if we ever needed evidence that this works there, it is right in front of you. They had anticipated. The average expectation was about a two hundred fifty million dollars loss for the quarter. Will they're up six, hundred, forty, six million? Thanks to these tax cuts, they work they. They keep people working. They help. These companies get through tough times. There's no more no better evidence to give Ottawa. Then those economic results that came out on Friday. No that's right in the the other plane to. Think about here is it's not just the operating companies directly or the direct service companies? It's other things like helicopters for instance Charlene Johnson at in a way up. There told us about how Cougar helicopters has a fleet of eleven aircraft right now in any candidate, nine witcher in Newfoundland and they're going to downsize at two four aircraft in October, and so they go from seven hundred fifty one flying hours a month down to one hundred seventy, so less than a quarter of what they were doing earlier this year and Ghetto that affects jobs that that just has a ripple effect all line. well and good for neue for taking the time to do the research and poll, all of those companies that are downstream of what one would traditionally assume. To give that clearer picture to help everybody really understand the the full scale of what is happening, and just how far the the wind moves butterfly flaps, its wings and work slows down in the offshore. It affects everyone. That's right. All right listen speaking of regulation and production. The Texas Railroad Commission Commissioner. Wayne Christian has put out a statement earlier in the week. Accusing the Russians and the Saudi Arabians of dumping crude on US markets heard another year particularly plugged in with. What Mr Christian is doing on that front. Well that's right, and you know it's a funny thing. Because as our listeners and readers will remember back from. Late march through April into the first half of May. We had thought for a couple of things we it advocated. Imposing a terrified imported oil, because I would help to raise the price and give a little breathing room to US producers. We also had advocated. and. Pro Rationing effort by the railroad commission within Texas, too. Ill smooth out some of the the bumps and troughs in individual operators Willy Nilly just cutting production here and there, and and keeping it fair and level. Give me a level playing field for all the operators, so at some smaller mid sized operators were not unduly penalized in the process. neither one of these things. Occurred unfortunately the federal government under Donald. Trump did not listen They chose not to do anything. And we had some people in the industry telling me to do anything, but we think that you look at what's happening with the service companies now and I'd like somebody to tell me that we shouldn't be doing something with imported oil. Now we'll get back to Wayne's resolution in a second, but just to finish the other side of the equation. Wayne was one of the two of the three commissioners voted against pro rationing and so. So that didn't occur either and again I. Think you know you look at what's going on in the industry I? Think that would have been a good move. Sometimes, you got to think out of the box and you've got to realize while the free market is good in ninety eight percent of situations. There's that other two percent where you know they're exceptions to the rule, and you've got to take some kind of action, but that hasn't happened now. Against that backdrop. On let's see that was Tuesday late afternoon last week. And after four o'clock nearly after four thirty. What slips into the INBOX, but this release on the Texas Railroad Commission saying that Wayne Christian had introduced a resolution at the meeting of the interstate oil and Gas Compact Commission. And it was passed, and it basically is the federal government to investigate what they call excessive dumping of crude oil by Saudi Arabia and Russia on the market into take appropriate action. Now if you read the resolution itself I'm here to tell you that it reads almost exactly the way that you would write something if you were laying the groundwork and preparing the paperwork to impose a tariff on foreign oil I mean it just reads like a textbook case, and it reads very similar to things that were proposed by people in the industry in the late eighties, so it's easily recognizable. There's some of US seen as before. Now Christian himself is quoted as saying for much of two thousand nineteen in early twenty twenty, Saudi Arabia ship relatively little crew to America with average arrivals, running at about four hundred seventy five thousand barrels a day after the Kobe. Cripple the US all guess industries, Saudi Arabia ship, one point three million barrels a day to our nation, and that's about two three times what it was before during February, and it's the highest figure by the way since two thousand fourteen. So you know we're not sure what's going on here other than. It is interesting because you're unite. Both listened during the probation hearings we listened to. Commissioner Wing, Christian and Commissioner Christie critics deliberations basically against pro rationing and a lot of what they were describing. No, we haven't had the do this. Since the seventies because of X., Y. and Z like you said well, that's precisely why you need to be doing it now because. We're back into that position so I. I guess the maybe the moral of the story is it's it's a good thing that however we got to this point. That someone is paying attention to it. And the other moral story is sometimes ideas only that idea if it's yours. Well, we're going to have to see what becomes of this I. Don't know how to describe this any other way than to say that there's some very strange Kabuki dance going on here a favorite political term Kabuki dance, and that seems to be what's at play here, not sure for whose benefit this is going on. We just don't know but Christian said flooding the market during ongoing negotiations with President, trump and the. International community is disingenuous or the one hundred thousand oil and natural gas jobs in the united. States have been lost according to rise to energy group, our federal government of back against international efforts harm American energy dominance so so here. We have a situation where you've got wing Christian talk about pushing back. this is absolutely one hundred and eighty degrees different than what we were hearing back during. April and early May so we'll have to see what comes of this if anything I don't know if this is just. Something, being floated as a trial balloon, or being said for somebody's benefit or if there's something else going on behind the scenes, some kind of Struggle of different different ideologies going on, but but something's work here and we're just GonNa have to wait and see how it comes out. But I think that given the fact that we are still wrapping up quarterly earnings reports we've got. We've seen most of them are there are still a few more to come in and the fact that we have a presidential election just a few weeks away, I suspect that some resolution or some sort of advancement. We'll be made on this sooner than later. I guess that's something that we can look forward to watching as we was out the last week of July. It's very frustrating to some of us like yourself myself who you know. We talked about this quite a few weeks ago months ago. We told them this would happen. in terms of the BEG rotation the service company sector the fact that a lot operators are really you know just barely crawling along here, and and and we outlined all this and yet. Nothing was done about it at the time. Now it's like all of a sudden. They're come vexing. Oh, it really is going to happen, and and the frustration is the delay. If they do something, the frustration is the delay in action. It feels like we're already passed that point, and maybe we're not, but given the cost reductions, and certainly headcount reductions, these service companies going through an MBA services, simply going out of business made were past that point, the luxury of being able to say oh. We don't want someone dumping crude our market. Maybe over because we're not going to be in a position to produce it ourselves at any great scale in the near future. Where all that could very well be, and the only thing that one can say after that thought is the fact that if that happens, if this is what's going to occur then the blame for that rest squarely on the shoulders of certain political officials, both at the state and federal level, and quite frankly it will rest on the shoulders of of a few people in this industry. Who may be gave bad advice to those officials. I guess we'll get to see how that plays out over the next coming days and weeks. So we'll look for to keep an eye on that so hurt. Thanks for being with US and. Giving us something Nice and light and cheery to think about on a Sunday, so thanks for being here all right? Thanks Karen. We'll see what the next week brings at right. Thank you. Thanks for listening to the daily brief on the world oil podcast network. If you have any questions or comments on the program, please e mail editorial at world oil DOT COM and check. The show notes for more information about St episode. Don't forget to subscribe either on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast, also be sure to visit world oil dot com for more information about today's stories and sign up for our free daily newsletter.
'We aren't going to hide the fact that this is what we do': How abortion doulas are breaking down stigma
"Love CBC podcasts. Help us make them. Better take our. CBC podcast Listener Survey now at CBC DOT CA slash. Josh podcasts. The quick survey will help us improve your favourite CBC PODCASTS CBC DOT CA slash podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. I'm Dr Brian Goldman. Welcome to white coat. Black art the show about medicine from all all sides of the Gurney Healthcare is dominated by professionals like me. But don't underestimate the role played by lay people dulas for example. You've likely heard of birth. Dulas they are non medical people who provide pregnant women emotional and other. What kinds of support study showed they help? Women have shorter labor with less pain fewer C sections and lead to more breastfeeding in two thousand sixteen. The World Health Organization recommended that Dulas attend all births. Recently I met a different kind of Dula. Hi My name is Shannon Hardy. I'm an abortion deal In Halifax Nova Scotia. I'm also the founder and coordinator of abortion support services. Atlantic Shannon is a social worker by training and while birth Dulas are usually paid in her work as an abortion Dula Shannon volunteers when she spoke with me from our Halifax Studio I had lots of questions beginning with the basics lose. So what's an abortion Dula so an abortion Dula can do a lot of different things of course just like a birth still. We don't do anything medical or give medical advice. We offer more of the practical side so we can give information about how somebody might access and abortion. We can give information About what is going to happen. So maybe you need an ultrasound or unique bloodwork. We also offer rides to and from appointments And we can help people with lodging we raise money for gas money and babysitting So we have a a wide scope of practice. Yeah that's miss. Shannon explained much of her work as an abortion Dula is about making sure clients have access to clinics and providers riders. You may have heard that in the. US states like Alabama Mississippi and Ohio have been passing laws that restrict and even ban abortion rights. Does anyone here in. This country will stay silent while our rights are being taken away from us. They marched to protest abortion restrictions recently passed in conservative states. But what you might not know. Is that in Canada. Even though abortion is legal it doesn't mean it's easy for some women to get one in rural albertans seeking abortions face obstacles. That women here in Calgary and Edmonton don't have to deal with than L. Berta. They're only three surgical abortion clinics tour. I I women will no longer have to leave the province to have an abortion. That's for the first time in almost thirty five years. Here's part of what the schedule is now the only province in Canada that does not cover the cost of abortion. Inducing drug called Mika me so it's the threat to access and other things that got Shannon Hardy to go from birth Dula to what they call full spectrum which means serving women who seek abortions. That happened back in two thousand twelve. I was working as a sexual health educator and I found out that there was no abortion services on P. I and that kind of blew my mind that as a birth Tula the idea the of becoming apparent of giving birth those were so sacred. That's a really important journey and in to think that someone would potentially go through that journey be potentially in a birthing room who didn't one one hundred percent want to be there. It was just a visceral reaction was just you know it wasn't right so all I could think of is how are are these people on the island. Canada Halifax Moncton Hauer people affording to take time off work. How how is this happening and you know I was very lucky? I was not only surrounded by a bunch of radical queer people which was amazing but I was also surrounded by all live my Dula friends because I'd been deliver six years at that point a birth Dula I had a CO founded the Nova Scotia Dulas Association. So I knew how Organiz you know. I was a social worker. So had all of these skills and I put them all together Shannon you you. You've started to hint at at what some might see a contradiction. I'm helping with birth and helping with abortion. How do you square those two right? So I think it's easier to square those two than it is to be a birth Dula who is opposed to abortion. I can't imagine forcing someone to give birth Earth if you believe that birth and pregnancy and becoming a parent is sort of this wonderful amazing amazing journey. How could you ever consider forcing somebody onto that journey Ursula? Gwen said in a speech. One time it was just amazing that if you ask somebody to keep a baby that isn't wanted you are aborting. Their future wanted children. That really hit me in an A- I I believe that you've made me think of something. We've been talking about abortion Russian Dulas. Is there such a thing as a miscarriage Dula. Yes so some deal is go by the term full spectrum and so a full spectrum too low would be with somebody during all outcomes. You could certainly reach out to somebody who would do miscarriage work. How have you done have you done so I have? I haven't Fifteen years ago I had a full term stillbirth and after or that I started doing a lot of of reproductive work as well Because you you went through the whole you know thirty nine and a half weeks and then didn't get the the next step you know where you didn't leave with a baby. Oh you didn't you. You gave birth but you aren't quite a mother So I ended up doing a lot of work with other women who are experiencing that after a few years when I had process my my own experience So yes I I have done that work with people you know I. It makes me think that that it's been working in a in a in a hospital. That has a very active obstetrical services. And I've never met A miscarriage Dula. I'm glad to meet you on the On the radio yeah. People may assume assume that because abortion is legal in Canada that women don't need help accessing care. What are the barriers that women face in this country? How much time do you you have Brian So information is a big one Course abortion isn't talked about in sexual health classes. So there's that stigma if people don't talk about it then that immediately creates this sort of cloud around it. Maybe it's not okay. The you know the the protesters. There's whether they're outside your clinic or whether they're just in the news again if people are protesting maybe there's something wrong So stigma Our geography were giant country. So when we think of people say in Labrador trying to access services services they need to take a flight down into Saint John's And that can be said for Ontario Scotch went like anywhere. You can think of their huge geographical barriers. There are barriers because doctors can choose to not perform arm abortion. Of course they're supposed to refer to an appropriate person that doesn't always happen People try and make an appointment just to get their ultrasound in their blood headwork. They're told that the clinic doesn't do that Because the doctor doesn't want to perform abortions and thinks that providing those two services. This is helping to have somebody can abortion and those doctors who object on religious and other grounds have been flexing their legal muscles last year and Ontario Sharyo court dismissed an appeal challenging earlier. Ruling that said doctors in the province must give referrals for medical services that clash with their religious beliefs including abortion. Yeah but Shannon Hardy says there are other practical barriers to access to abortion for example Money so if you're flying you have to take two days. He's off. How do how do you do that if you're working at a minimum wage job? How do you find babysitting? How do you have enough gas? Money to drive into town How much of that do you help with a lot? So that's a lot of what we do a five hour drive. Maybe a six hour drive would be as far are in Nova Scotia Somebody would have to drive so you can imagine. That's not a one day. You know you do the drive. Stay the night. Have your procedure. Sure and probably drive home that night so we fundraise to get people Lodging and to help them with gas money babysitting sitting. If that's what they need is what you do. Some training of abortion Dulas and other parts of the country. Yeah can you give me a sense of of how access varies by what part of Canada we're talking about so the Atlantic provinces are generally better than the rest of the country when it comes to access except for Newfoundland Labrador in Newfoundland Labrador. The only clinic is in Saint. John's so you can imagine if you're up in Labrador. What that looks like it's the same or on the other side of or on the other side of the island. Yes that's that's pretty far drive. It is so when I did training in Corner Brook. We talked a lot about that. You know how do you help. Somebody come up with the story about why they need to drive nine hours across the island to Saint. John's do you drive them. Yes Yep that's what our volunteer enter. They volunteer so they don't pay for that service. No so I did a training in Ottawa a year now now and they have started their own group in Ottawa. And they do the same thing There is a group beginning to to sort of coalesce in Saskatchewan so there are training program so in the states. Yes you know. There was New York and Boston Portland Seattle all of these trainings. And I wanted to go do them. But then I realized they were very American centric which makes sense and I didn't know exactly what I would come away with so I I just took all of my skills and created a curriculum and I found that people there was just this hunger for it. Yeah Yeah we just started building this this network. I think I have no proof but I think just saying the word abortion as often as I do and being very public about what I do. Our facebook page has abortion in the title. People immediately felt a safety safety in that I wasn't contributing to the stigmatization by making it a secret. This is what I do. We do abortion work. It's safe safe to say the word around me and safe to talk about it around me so I think that helped build the network. You mentioned that the that the you weren't sure that the training that you've receiving United States would apply to Canada is that because there's there's a much greater political emphasis in the in the country. It's just so much more polarizing in the United States than it is in Canada to talk about abortions actually a try to get one obtain one so back in in twenty twelve It wasn't quite as polarized as it is now. Their trainings are are amazing. But say in New York They're allowed to go into the room with the people. And so that was a big part of the discussion. And you're not able to do that in Canada. Not here in Halifax and I would say probably not anywhere in Canada. Where does that rule come from? Would you want to go in if you could. I WOULD WANNA go in if the personnel supporting wanted me to I think the rule. It's just always always been there. I don't think it's because they don't necessarily want Dulas in the room. It's just it's never been done. We of course have have had the approval of. Are you forty six sir. Mifepristone so-called abortion pill has that increased access to medical abortion across the country is a yes but with the caveat so when if he means I came out that's mifepristone and misoprostol combination Health Canada had puts it's a regimen around it that was really intensely frustrating. It can only be used up to forty nine days right Who who knows they're pregnant at seven weeks like You had to live within a hundred kilometers of doctor. You had to have a two week follow up. You had to have an ultrasound before oh doctors had to take a six hour train There was just all of these hurdles that people had to get through slowly. Those have been chipped away but they're still not to the point where we thought that if as I was gonNA come out and solve all these problems we wouldn't have to talk about people from the paw having to fly into Winnipeg anymore. They just get Mickey but they're still will a lot of barriers Including finding a doctor who will prescribe it for you. I know you want to be mindful of privacy but just so people understand. Can you give me your sense of the range of women who ask for your help. So a little bit of everything from international students you know Halifax is big. A university town The two people in their forties who have their children and don't want anymore yet across the different provinces. I think it would be. They would say the same thing. It's everybody it's people who've moved from province to another province in don't have support it. It's a wide wide wide range of people can ask him any. You've helped oh over the last seven years over three hundred given that a lot of people may we have not heard of an abortion Dula. How do they find you so usually on facebook And Word of mouth and here in Halifax facts and In Saint John's our number is up at the unit. So if you call either the Athena Clinic or the women's toys clinic here in Halifax they're going to give you Atlantic abortion information. How many provinces have abortion Dulas all provinces have at at least one person working as an abortion? Let but I can't speak to the territories. We were all just together in October. Were hoping to all get together. It's The fiftieth at the end of the Abortion Caravan. That left Feminine Cougar and went to Ottawa So we're hoping to get together in Vancouver recreate that Caravan Caravan Since you mentioned the United States I know you do training in the US the landscape. Of course as we've talked about is is quite different. Their abortion laws are being challenged in various states. It's what kinds of stories and concerns are hearing from Dulas women there. It's fairly similar. It's just more. Her geography is a problem. Because there's only one abortion clinic in three hundred kilometer radius The the stigma is much greater raider. There protesters are intense at an abortion. Dula that I know just went to a meeting down there a couple of months ago and there was armed guards and they weren't allowed to wear like their conference badges outside. They weren't allowed to talk about what they were doing. it was it was pretty scary. You know that you go to an abortion conference and there. Somebody standing there with a like a Michigan. Yeah have you had to assist any women from the US in getting access to safe abortions. So I have who've so people will reach out mostly because we have edlund take in our name. This person reached out and I just happened to know an abortion Dula in her state eight and we connected them And that has happened across the world. Hey Annamaria Tramonte and I'm excited to tell you about my new podcast. It's called more and I'll be talking to people. You may think you already know until you hear them here. We've got a little more time to explore probe and even to play a little so get ready for the likes of David. Suzuki Catherine O'Hara Margaret Atwood. And many others. You can find more with Anna Maria Tramonte Auntie wherever you get your favorite podcasts You're listening listening to white coat. Black Art this week. A conversation with Shannon Hardy and abortion Dula in Halifax she and others like her are lay people who are trained to provide emotional emotional physical and informational support during and after abortions. What they provide is not only a benefit clients it may even be helpful for the people who provide abortions a two thousand fifteen study in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology concluded that women who had abortion dulas needed less support by staffing affect clinics? In Your Line of work you interact with doctors. Nurses Administration people who run hospital and freestanding clinics. How do you get along with them? I really can only speak to Halifax I. We have an amazing relationship. Dr Talk to you. Cheetahs or co-director All the nurses are are very partly give out our number It's because it's so needed what we do. ooh What about your colleagues in other provinces do they have similar experiences or the Athena Clinic in Saint. John's yes very much. Oh but it is a free standing clinic. So it's it's different than a hospital setting. I think if we have a conversation in a couple of months we could probably talk about what this looks like in Saskatchewan and I feel like they. They are not going to have the same reception why not. It's just a different vibe. If any there's there's there's more stigma it's very conservative. Yeah I might be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. You mentioned stigma and despite abortion being legal in this country. There is still stigma adma in in some parts of the country and and people have taken that on various ways. You know a while back. There was a Hashtag my abortion abortion on on social media. Were women shared their stories of having had an abortion. How much do you think stigma is a barrier to accessing care? I think it's huge when I start the training because of course it's called trauma informed abortion Dula Training. I let people know so that we don't believe abortion is in and of itself traumatic. What we believe is that these systems? We have to go through the hoops. We we have to jump through our and that includes the stigma. Those things are traumatic because they exist on every level. We don't know who is safe to talk about it. With family members May Have said sort of like off the cuff things that make you think. Oh are they anti-abortion. Can I talk to them. You if you go to church certainly. Most churches are going to say that it's wrong. We don't Talk Ed and Health Ed classes so then you get the idea. Maybe it's it's not an option if you go to the hospital. There's no sign edge for the termination Asian unit. That also gives the idea that somehow it's wrong everybody would know cardiologists but when it comes to termination. There's nothing on our health authority website up until two years ago. If you put abortion into the search engine nothing came up. How do so you? What's your role in reducing that stigma for the women that you help so and and this comes from somebody? We actually helped. Who Oh we were supposed to pick up? 'cause everybody needs a ride home. She texted me and said You don't need to come my sister's coming because you were so open and wonderful. I felt safe to talk to her. Sorry yes totally trying not to cry here it. It's just it was just this amazing moment that that's what we do. That's exactly why we do the work we do and again just putting the name in our title. We aren't going to hide the fact. This is what we do when people ask me what I do. I work in abortion care. I hope that those things help break down that stigma. We also created some postcards that just go in doctor's offices and sit by the other pamphlets. It's like sixteen point font want. This is what we do you mentioned. the protests in the United States. you mentioned somebody toting a machine in gun Canada is not as violent but has but it has also seen violence directed at people who provide abortions or assist with abortions and. You're so open about what you're doing. The first thing I thought of with your facebook page comments that that that gives you pause for concern. Sir Yeah maybe I should be more worried. Generally we just delete comments I sometimes get in like personal emails. I haven't received anything that I felt like I needed to send it to the police or be particularly worried about. It's more people who had I call him angry pajamas. 'cause I imagine. They're sitting in their house in their pajamas. Thomas just finding things to be angry about on the Internet. Where do you see abortion? DULAS heading next. I would like to see more people being trained in How to offer trauma informed? Abortion support I would like everyone who will potentially come into contact with somebody. WHO's seeking in an abortion to also be trained in how to navigate that I would really really like still look at our conscientious gansters objector allowances for doctors This may lead into a licensor conversation but it would be great to have an abortion Dula. You know available to come into the unit because there are social workers on the unit but I just to have that option for people. Maybe they didn't reach out beforehand and then we're just purchased there. I WanNa thank you for speaking with us. Thank you for having me. That was my conversation with Shannon hardy a full spectrum Dula who helps women through birth miscarriages and abortions last month one of the largest studies. He's ever on women's feelings about having abortions was released in the US. The vast majority of the women surveyed said. They had positive emotions or no emotions about their decision decision. Even if they hadn't felt that way initially but nearly seventy percent said they felt they would be stigmatized if people knew they had an abortion. Aw That's our program for this week before we go. We have a preview of a show. You won't WanNa Miss. In recent years rates of thyroid Royd cancer and surgery to remove those cancers a shot up in Canada and elsewhere. But the thinking about how to treat thyroid cancer is changing drastically the CBC's Lease Hossain has a special report for us as part of the CBC's Dot Project Mentorship Program. And she's here with me in the studio. Now Hi Elise. Hi So I know you have a personal stake in this story. But what got you to want to do a documentary about thyroid cancer. I was diagnosed with popularity thyroid. Cancer in two thousand eleven and my sister had been diagnosed with it just before and both of us had the fire an fiery duct amis within the same year to your thyroid removed completely removed. Yeah super we have a big story to tell about that. That was like yeah. I have a bit of a story. What's the biggest surprise? The juvenile covered. What I've found over the past couple of years is that there are programs that allow people who are diagnosed with pepper? Larry thyroid cancer to actually keep their thyroid rather than having surgery and that means keeping the cancer and that these programs have been available in Asia since the nineties and there is at least one study here in Canada now and but that's not what they're doing. Can I think a lot of people that are still having thyroid activities activities. 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CRUDE 6 - The Devil in the Deep Blue Sea
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Check out those titles at your favorite audiobook, provider or head over to penguin Random House dot CA slash indigenous voices. It's Valentine's Day, nineteen eighty to the ocean ranger an offshore oil rig off the coast of Newfoundland is riding out a storm. The weather off Newfoundland was bad. The see was what the weatherman, call state, eight waves were fifty feet high, the wind blowing seventy nine at eleven thirty pm, the weather observer on the ocean ranger filed a routine report saying that the storm was extremely heavy. But everything on the rig was normal, it wa- severe storm about not, which I call it an exceptional stole. The storm was pushing waves to a maximum of seventy feet and winds to about seventy knots. The ocean ranger had withstood worse. Waves are slamming into the portholes on the ocean ranger. There's just a few inches of glass between the Atlantic Ocean and the rigs balanced control room. That's the room responsible for keeping the rig stable, a wave strikes. The porthole and it shatters. The ocean pours in. We have water and glass down here. Two minutes later. All of the valves here on portside are opening by themselves. We need EL electricity down here. Shock on the panel. Something happened in that room, the control panel, malfunction or the crew tried to manually keep the rig stable made a mistake. Then it happened someone tried to operate the balanced control, panel four were tanks flooded and the rig began sliding into a list. The ocean ranger is listing and it's difficult to imagine what that looks like the largest and most advanced oil rig in the world. Twenty five thousand tons of metal is leaning to one side in the middle of a storm three hundred kilometers away from the nearest shoreline. We have the art deco ocean ranger. Experiencing severe list of about ten to fifteen degrees in the middle of severe storm at the time request assistance eighth up the ocean. Ranger is in trouble. Schrader Jackie there. Could you give it to anything? We're listening badly and to get to be. At one o'clock, a radio operator had received the message that the personnel on the ranger where off to the light bolts was the last message. We'd heard from the ranger. Good evening. The biggest oil Regan the world, the rain calls ocean. Ranger is lying at the bottom of the sea, it collapsed, and sank off the coast of Newfoundland in fierce Atlanta. Gale three lifeboats went to the water. It was cold enough that the ocean, spray froze instantly massive waves bore down on the vessels, helicopters. Couldn't get close enough, but it's supply ship called the C fourth Highlander got near enough to a lifeboat that they could see survivors. From the sheep wool of highlanders, saying that he had found a lifeboat and it did have survivors in it, and they was alive, and then he was trying to get along side. Guys screaming for help things pretty refunds of it was extremely similar. So he had to snow. Freezing spray water coming over the deck. I guess we can be looking at viewers among them, too. By the time we got the Highlander their life, quotas and upset. The men gone in the water and one way or right there. They were just there was just born in the water, there wasn't. There wasn't survivors and there was only one. That time is normally never saw demonstrate bought his before all at once. Just look and try to figure out what's going on hope something be held to get what to a minute alive. But. Nobody got anybody. It's very, very sad duty to tell you fishery the ocean. Ranger is lost where eighty four people aboard. And at this point in time, we certainly cannot hold up, much show survive. It wasn't supposed to be like this Newfoundland and labrador has always been one of Canada's poorest provinces. So when they discovered a massive oil reserve just off the coast politicians were determined not to blow it, it was only three years later that the ocean ranger sank to the bottom of the Atlantic taking eighty four men down with it. But this isn't just a story about a nautical disaster. It's a story about what happens when a poor province finds commence riches just off its coast and how that promise of oil wealth can twist history around itself. It's about a place that swore up and down it wouldn't fall into the room and bust cycle. Every time I say anything about I always say that it's on top foundation built on resources and then promptly did just that come down for province that was a washing off shore revenue for several years now. Even worse off than it was after the cod moratorium two decades ago. And it's about the kind of magical thinking that takes hold when political leader start to believe that oil will be the solution to all of their problems. 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The story of oil in Newfoundland began in nineteen seventy nine when oil was discovered offshore. There are rumors of a major oil find on the Grand Banks and land for half the largest oil discovery ever in Canada news conferences are being shuttled and oil markets across the country are booming. But for Susan Dodd, it's a story that begins with a phone call on that tragic day in February of nineteen eighty two. The first part is remembering the phone ringing at, you know, what would have been the middle of the night to o'clock in the morning, but I learned that later, I was in bed and heard them big old farmhouse, and with no heat. My parents were horribly cheap about heating the host and the so here running down the, the hall dance phone and then you know, just the tones voices. You know something's bad. I five figured it was my grandmother, who had been on. Well. And then I didn't I wasn't to call to go to school in the morning. Her brother, Jim was a rig worker and even out on the ocean ranger that day. I remember that looking out the window, and mom saying, well, you might as well tell her and. So then we went into waiting moat, which was what did that say something like the rigs in for you? Gyms rigs in trouble, and we're waiting for news. It wasn't long before Susan realized she would never see her brother again. They were still doing a search. But my dad had flown with the he was a navigator in the air force. So I think he he knew what the chances of anyone surviving that would have been I think he knew early on. Jim was like a lot of the men on the ocean ranger that day he was young, and he came from a place with high unemployment, and he was willing to do dangerous work out on the open ocean for these, especially these young men, they needed to have jobs in a way in order to be considered human almost. So they would take any job that was available and they. Would put up with conditions that I think any reasonable person would be able to see where dangerous though, Jim was Nova Scotian the vast majority of the men on the ocean ranger were Newfoundlanders. My name is Daniel Bryan. Was born at Sinclair's hospital, Saint John's new flam school up there, too Sonny outside of the west, Saint John's, Danny worked the diver while going up. Newfoundland, of course, surrounded by water from Saint John's spent a lot of time out in boats when I was a kid stuff fishing, the one thing, I always, farmers produced intrigue me from an early age was scuba diving after going abroad to work on other oil rigs Dany fan himself working on what was the largest, most state of the art oil rig in the world, the ocean ranger. But the rig had a reputation before it sank workers, jokingly called it, the ocean danger safety, gene was terrible. It was visible not peoper on happy, the Americans who ran the rig looked down upon Newfoundlanders. So these people were sort of like a very Whitney. Attitude approach to things. Danny seen things go bad on the ranger before in October of nineteen eighty one I went to vote it was urgency was a complete calamity to cover. Chore workers, weren't properly trained for evacuations the Riggott self had design flaws, and there weren't, even enough lifeboats Danny knew that if something went wrong, a lot of men could die even after a botched evacuation just a week before the disaster, the American managers, maintain that the ocean ranger was safe. Here's Chris CUNY who worked on the rig speaking to a documentary crew. It is hard nosed tool pusher. Was trying to dominate the safety meeting. You know by saying this recant sink he didn't say he more yell at can't. Thank. You know this is a. Big semi SABA, semi saw Mercer bull in the world, and there's laughs and guffaws, mostly from fishermen, who had been on water away, longer than this guy had after the ocean ranger sank Newfoundland went into mourning the bodies of many of the men were never recovered from the Atlantic Ocean, and two divers were also killed trying to move the wreck Newfoundlanders demanded answers in the provincial and federal governments held a joint inquiry shortly after people watched it on TV was, it was a it was a big deal. And it was a very public way of airing the responsibility. And. Showing the kind of public prosecution system, at least interrogating, the people who are responsible for this. Right. They at least had to show up and face the community. The reasons for the disaster will be familiar to Commons listeners, lack of regulation, a cost cutting culture that emphasized profits over safety inadequate training. So you've got all these untrained people being put on what is both of us all, and a drill rig where the side, the marine side was completely ignored by the people around that, right? The lifeboats didn't work and the guys weren't trained to use them. The men who were responsible for ballast control for keeping the, the rig fable retrained, quote unquote on the job, which effectively meant they weren't trained. It was a shit show. Susan says that it's the Newfoundland and Canadian governments who share the most blame the ocean had just swallowed. Eighty four men and the huge majority of those being Newfoundlanders and. They. Responsible for because there was no regulation in place specific to offshore work. It only been three years since oil had been discovered offshore, and you could imagine that disaster of the scale of the ocean ranger might threaten to kill the industry outright, but oil companies politicians, insisted the drilling continue. And that's because compared to the rest of Canada, Newfoundland and labrador has always been relatively poor but could change that all oil has always been seen, as if not the economic salvation of the province, then certainly one of the most important factors in its economic celebration. My name's Shawn category. I'm a professor of history memorial university in the beginning Newfoundlanders were split about oil. Here's JD house, associated speaking in a documentary from the nineteen eighties. The initial reaction ninety seventy nine it was was kind of two sides. One was great. You've. For new found some people going out and mortgaging their homes or to buy shares in Gulf mobile zone. On the one hand on the other hand, though, there was a reaction kind of a fair within the society of what's his big, boom, that's coming going to be doing this, the government pushed ahead. But when the ocean ranger, sank Newfoundland's, new oil industry had a crisis of legitimacy when the rig went down there was a challenge. You know, the work that they done was seriously, seriously frightened. And so they had to rebuild this promise of will off shore, oil development as a kind of positive change in the mine culture. That's when the narrative began to shift very quickly. It's a local sentiment developed the Newfoundland and labrador that that was that, when something like this. It was, of course tragedy, the people who are lost on the ocean ranger were considered almost martyrs. Martyrs. No longer were they victims of corporate greed or negligence. They were martyrs. The eighty four men who went down on that rig were seen as having sacrificed, their lives for Newfoundland's economic future. And their sacrifice had to be honored. Local sentiment was that, however, we might feel about the need for safety off shore. We couldn't do anything that would jeopardize development by the private sector. This kind of narrative was pushed, especially by the oil companies, and the government onto a province that was still traumatized by the disaster. But at the same time, the ocean ranger story, merged with the long history of naval disasters that have befallen Newfoundlanders, giving it the timber of inevitability. We are speaking to a community that is steeped in all of these songs, and these stories of a kind of heroic loss, and the open fees. And that narrative kicked in eve at the same time as everyone knew that the guys who ran that rig really quite expressly hated, Newfoundlanders, even today, there are serious questions about the safety of these rigs. Daniel Bryan doesn't believe that the issue of lifeboats has been adequately addressed. It is, as I said, depending on the civility, if there's another accident people have to evacuate lifeboats give much chance of them operating properly because of the story failure these boats in two thousand nine a helicopter on route to a rig crash into the water killing fifteen the premier at the time promised to safety review, but it never happened. The number of people that have been killed about one hundred fourteen officered flan is very high price for the amount of activity. That's gone on a glare last year, the north west Atlantic was hit by one of the strongest storms that seen in thirty years. The Hibernia oil platform withstood, the winds and waves, but lifeboats were damaged and the rig never stopped production. But all of these safety problems aren't even the worst part, Newfoundland most far reaching oil disaster with something else entirely. This upset of Commons. Brought to impart by hellofresh everyone's favourite meal. 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Newfoundland is set to go, the oil giant's the governments and the contractors of all signed an agreement after spending more than a decade at the drawing board. It was the same field where the eighty four main of the ocean ranger had died. Politicians in Newfoundland were determined to use this new resource in the wisest way into avoid the boom and bust cycles associated with oil. Here's a clip from that nineteen eighty documentary that looked into the issue are we doomed to keep spinning around in the boom bust cycle until our resources finally give out if we just look at our history, you'd think that we are. But there is one place in Canada, where some people are determined to challenge that history and try to take control of the tornado into their own hands. There's probably no region of this country. More in need of the economic boost that an oil boom could bring the Newfoundland. Labrador paradoxically. There is no region, the country that is showing more reluctance to plunge in, but despite their best efforts to avoid these booms and busts Newfoundland walked right into the same trap part of the reason, why was because of what happened. Just two years later. Good evening. The news was expected. But that didn't make it any less devastating for at least the next two years, much of Newfoundland, bland will lose a way of life. It's a moratorium on fishing for northern cod, Aban that will affect about twenty thousand people, and gut the backbone of the Atlantic, fishery, it's still the biggest layoff in Canadian history, what we started to see from nineteen ninety two forward was the permanent emigration of working age people to other parts of Canada. Many of those young people went to Berta and sketch who onto work the oilfields Newfoundland was now, doubly dependent on crude and just as the story of the ocean ranger change the narrative around Newfoundland's potential oil wealth, also shifted. Unemployment in public debt began to skyrocket oil came to be seen as the singular solution to the province's economic woes. We kind of Sumed here publicly, I think that, well, you know, we don't really have to worry about this so much because we got this massive offshore oil sector that's going to generate all the money that's going to allow us to take care of these things in the oil companies were able to convince politicians that they shouldn't keep royalties. High oil, instead, they should focus on the indirect benefits, such as jobs and consumer spending in for awhile that seemed to work out the specially in the two thousands when the oil price went north of one hundred dollars a barrel, all of a sudden, Newfoundland, and labrador was booming. Danny Williams was premier until twenty ten began to increasingly put all of his exit the oil basket Williams will become incensed, if people questioned the sustainability. Of oil as an economic driver here he is. Arguing with a radio host near the end of his tenure it all of your gone to be nothing left. What about our children? Our grandchildren will guarantee that you can surf the attest to that. You can let you when I can have a conversation. Twenty to twenty five years from now and you'll see what's left for children, and our grandchildren, and as well by, then we will have wind on. We have gas on, we'll have the church Alon. We would have repatriated the upper Churchill lot of wonderful things happening fanatic, labrador, medial need that kind of pessimism and craft coming out of your mouth in the morning 'cause I can tell you right now. Landon, labrador did what many considered unthinkable it became a half province? For the first time it was sending out equalization payments instead of bringing them in. But that didn't last long Sean Cadigan says that the government didn't have a long-term plant so offshore oil royalties allowed the provincial government to put far more into our health system. Education system. More government, employment, and pains, government employees, better, the problem is, is that all dependent on the availability of austral revenues when officer went when oil was, you know, at one hundred dollars a barrel, or more. And so when prices collapsed, from fourteen on, we were left with a significant economic problem, we went into our bust gone was all veterans talk about saving for the future for carefully using this new oil wealth, much of it had been squandered the rigs. Are still operating off shore. But that widespread prosperity that oil had promised has never really come about. Basically, it seems to me that what offshore oil revenue tends to do is like, it's, it's sort of hold some kind of a promise to you, but it's just that it's just a promise and it's always just beyond your reach you think you can almost get it. But it never quite sort of materializes today, the Newfoundland and labrador economy is still struggling some people feared that the provincial government may actually go bankrupt oil itself wasn't what caused the economic calamity Newfoundland labrador has other deep systemic problems. The cod is never come back. The population's been getting older big mega projects failed, but things were supposed to be different in those early years. The promise of oil had been turned Newfoundland into a new Norway to use those resources wisely to save for future generations, the promise of oil has yet to pay off. And Newfoundlanders are the ones who have paid the cost. The memory of the ocean, ranger lives on Newfoundland and labrador in every year. There's a memorial service held in Gonzaga high school in Saint John's for the men who died on the rig. Ted stapleton. Jamin came Thompson. I knew the first time. Susan Dodd went she was asked to speak. I given the honour thanking the community for this event, as a family member. And I went and just raged against oil companies and against the regulators for failing. I still feel that rage very strongly today, she doesn't think memorial services, the place for that. But in her way Susan's trying to change back the story of the ocean ranger trying to grab hold of that history herself and take it out of the hands of the oil companies, and the politicians a few years ago, she wrote a book about it called the ocean ranger remaking the promise of oil. I think it's important to keep reminding people about it and to keep retelling the story and to keep reminding ourselves that when Mace really terrible things happen and industry if we haven't regulated them. It's you know, it's not the fault of the cause MOS and it's not the fault of capitalism. It's our fault for not regulating. The story that many people tell themselves about the ocean ranger like the story, they tell about oil has changed over the years. But for Susan, it's a story about her brother, Jim young guy who needed a job who she loved for sharing books in music with her, and who died in the Atlantic Ocean with eighty three other men, so many years ago. That's your comments for the week. This episode was built on research and reporting done by CVC Newfoundland and labrador. Susan Dodd Mike Heffernan and many if you wanna get in touch with us, you can tweet us at Canada and Commons that C M s you can also Email me are she Canada dot com? Make sure to check out although next week to hear about what's going on in politics today. This up sodas produced by myself in Jordan corners are managing editors, Kevin Sexton, in her music is by Kevin Sexton, and Nathan Berlin. If you like what we do. Please help us make this show. You can support us and get adv re podcasts by going to patriot dot com slash Hannity.
Can Joe OBrien, a 5-star tourism operator, keep his boats afloat?
"Tony Chapman and welcome to chatter that matters. The podcast we cut through the clutter to focus on what matters most to your life and your livelihood. Thanks incredible supportive. RV See. We're focusing the next ten episodes on the heart of our economy. Small businesses, small business matters, and just in our collective interest to keep them beating strong. In this episode, YOU'RE GONNA receive a masterclass in building brands in the experience economy. Okay. Thank you will. Top Job Ryan captains a highly respected Ecuador's in both confident. He's GonNa, take you to the edge of the universe. Joining the Brilliant Cultural Anthropologists usual article did. A highly respected marketing and brand strategist Alex plump. And Kelly Story L. FROM ABC. Who called small? Business owners are heroes. And they have one quest to keep Joe's boats afloat until the tourist comeback. Joe Brian. Welcome to the PODCAST. Thank you for having me. Take me back to the early eighties in the business. You're in and how you reinvented yourself. Born little dishing collusion south of Saint John's thirty miles south. From fishing family, and that meant we went on the ocean every day to make our living we had to use Gillnets longlines and cod traps and jigger to catch fishing the ocean and we saw that as young people and our parents were telling us that the future Bright Brighton, the fishery and probably should change your way of life. Coming involved in seabird research because of some of Guinness catching seabirds. allergists university suggested that we should try our hand at something new. Tourism and equal to see the birds. When you first heard that idea of ecotourism. Did you ever imagine that there'd be a business and just having people? Come out and look at birds. Absolutely not. Relatives that are uncles that are locals individ- all wondered if we were gone a little crazy, because they said nobody was going to go out and see birds fly over their head and chop feces down on them, so didn't look like it had much of a future, but. We didn't see it that way. We we saw the expression of feeling in people's faces, and that they're joined at the experienced. We knew this had to be a business and all we have to. Go Up and running. Take me just to the culture at the time. How do you come to terms with having the confidence to say maybe I am right when the vast majority of people are as you said, questioning the venture. Well we knew a right. Because when we in ended up at the end of the day, we had a fistful of cash in her hands, and people were giving extra money for the great service that we provided your businesses changed dramatically over the last three decades. I would imagine. Quite quite so i. will we start running our business? We were putting little cards on on restaurant tables and bending them, and hopefully people pick them up and give you a call at technically at hotels. They were saying we were soliciting for business. Broke broke the barriers thereby inviting them out promotional Fan tors and Greg Business by the nice to our guest being. Guest accumbens day in Newfoundland and our hotels in an offering like that. We gained a reputation as being a five star attraction. CBA reserve with four point six million seabirds. It's a very unique experience like going to the edge of the. And saying well, it's like looking over. The edge has a whole new experience for the guests. How did you communicate the adventure back then? Are Key in the old days was every gift that we had was? There are walking billboard and from dentist's office in Vancouver to Physiotherapists Ontario. All these people have Kim looking for unique experience in in a part of Canada that they. Never know much about and wanted to experience standard and becoming our our marketing people. One of the things I love about entrepreneurs. They understand that sometimes the best apple vacation. The best expression of the grand is somebody that's outside of their business somebody to experience the product. It's coming back. Smiling can't wait to share their photos at talk about what it feels like to go to the edge of the universe. Taking the leap from Ocean fishing eco-tourism requires more than a leap of faith jaws. Do some tough homework. Learn a brand new business. As a young man I travel with my partner. My wife and I looked at different operations in whale-watch operations, and what was the success of what wasn't a success? I always thought of myself as being the the sort of the shrimp, amongst the all shacks are the Wales in the ocean, so I studied the big guys in done cruises on cruise ships in wonder how they attracted people and watch the watch. The other players in the business do a great job of marketing themselves marketing the product. Joe's biggest takeaway, he wasn't in the touring business. He was in the memories Bessis. Because we're in a very unique part on the planet where the northern waters pushed down with the great plankton bloom Andy Animals with such as whales and seabirds from collectively all over the ocean. They congregate hair to feed. It's sort of like being at a giant festival or Party, so people people jumped on it, and you could see the expression in their faces when they saw puffins for the first time or or oh, blow or smell, the whales breath as your down into both. The nine. It's a life changing experience for people who come from a steel, jungle or a concrete castle. There's no one more insightful than Joel Brian. He knows knowledge is power. You don't just show Mother Nature's beauty. You tell it and preserve it. We knew that they were looking for a real unique experience. So by doing what we donald showing corner of the Earth, I mean the avalon peninsulas met up of a European plates of rock. The Ocean has been shifting eroding the whole lands. Landscape is always changing, and it's. It's a really unique spot to to come and visit. That it's safe for people to experience it in a in a positive lights. We done research on the sea, bird, seed, or not having impact we helped. Invent a code conduct that allow people to view Wales without disturbing them in a in a collective manner that the everybody cohabitate. Market, he becomes extraordinary when you can press the essence of Your Business in a couple of words that when someone hears, it fires the imagination. Joe Brian does it better than most when he uses things like going to the edge of the universe are ever smelled a wells. What someone hears that they wanted. To go the way you operate your business. How do you still that sense of pride and love the venture? We have to think of everybody as. And in our team, we gotta teach compassion for who we are. What we're about, so I teach for the boat side of it i. teach all the crew. Whether you're one season, student or repeat student at works how to run the vessel how to manage the boat how to take care of the guests, so you feel very important. If Joe's give you his half a million dollar boat met you drive one hundred passengers? He must feel confidence in you and then you to sing a couple of songs. And might be a great singer voted seemed from your heart, and you tell the story of where you are seeing. It's it's it's very positive. Experiences greats positively under staff that the air playing a series part in delivering your product. Do you think they're doing it because they wanna make more tips. Are they doing it because they really WanNa see the smiles on people's faces. Well we we'd ever look at the tip factor as part of business, we do our best to do a great job, and if the tip comes in, that's fine, but we we take pride in in naked short at the guest. Know who we are, and why why we ended up in this place on the planet at how happy we are just to offer that look to our is of how we view the world. Just give the listener a sense of what this business is now. So. We have three vessels. We have one hundred passenger. That's all we have an eighty five passenger vessel. We have a twelve passenger vessel. We have a gift shop. Couple of restaurants hundred seat in a fifty seat restaurant to boutiques at three shuttle buses had in it, two, thousand and nineteen, we were running. Four is a day nine o'clock eleven thirty, two o'clock and four thirty and sometimes evening. and. We were moving between twenty to twenty five thousand customers in a couple of month period in summertime. Today Joe One year later today it's. It's we're all shutdown that we will be able to open on the first of May this year at Transport Canada, according to Health Canada says we probably look at it by the end of June so right now instead of taking bookings were were giving back their their reservations and. We're sending their money back the guess. Assuming that you'll get your financing. What else will you need to do? Our. Hopes are that. Eventually people will want to come back in and see Newfoundland Labrador and That will be open still open for business, so we have to speak to our financial people on how to how to plan past, covert nineteen and finance our way into two thousand and twenty, one, a Navy two, thousand and twenty two before we start to see a change. At. How are you doing personally because i? Know How attached you already your team that your family, the people that work with you. Well it's very sad because we don't want to be able to keep some longevity company employees. Were very worried about whether or not they'll be there the future, and so we're GONNA? Try and do everything we can to to help these people. Get us into oath, covert nineteen and and that. That's very worrisome because it takes a lot of money to the trump. People are secure and stable. Joe's resilience imagination Dr and personality is why I have such faith as small business will reinvent future of Canada's economy. He didn't just walk away from the fishing business in create an ECO tourism business. He's touched allies of hundreds of employees. He's put smiles on the faces of thousands of customers. He's given us another reason to visit Newfoundland one of the most beautiful places on the world. Even when Kobe nineteen threatens that future. Joe Remains optimistic. Because? He sees the entire economy coming together by US working together. It's very obvious that. This is creating a stronger global economy because everybody realizes that we're all in this together. We all thought we were all in our own silos, but today. We know that we're going to have to really work together. Because it's GonNa take a lot of people collectively pulling on the rope together in order to Nacre going the right direction. We have to keep joe ships in the water. We have to keep his entrepreneurial spirit alive. Now, I'M GONNA. Find the thought leaders that can help with that quest. I must give a huge shadow to rb. See for sponsoring the small business matter series chatter that matters. And for running experts, sixty seven radio stations across Canada. I'm a big fan of rb see. Not just because they're one of the world's best run and most respected banks. Because what they do to help all of candidates. Take Future launch. A five hundred million dollar investment to help Canadian youth find to pursue their path in life. Or the investment, RBC makes an arts and culture and amateur sports, and in building our new economy. With cove in one thousand, nine hit rb stepped up with millions of dollars to support food banks and essential services. And they had only one asks for this series domain. Make this show but RBC make it about the small business heroes. And speaking heroes and their quest. Let's get back to see what the experts have to say. Joe The first person. I talked to a gentleman called UJJWAL are cody's cultural anthropologists. He's the CEO of a company called motive base. The first thing I asked us well. We'll the world be completely different post covet. Culture changes a lot more slowly than we think it does. Does human beings. We love to overestimate the impact of change. It's rarely the case. So, what will be different? People are rethinking. What is luxury? Should I spend the money on the Prada bag or should I spend the money on going experiencing things that are suddenly so near and dear to me. How is this can impact Joe's business? The world will not be worse off for him. His business in his community it will be better off for him and his business one hundred percent. We see this through all the analysis attracting. We're doing. He just has to get through the short term pain. Will your more optimistic than most so tell me a few more reasons. Why Jochen believe that the future is going to be a lot brighter, he thinks. People are craving an understanding of some of these experiences that they otherwise can't get. There are opportunities obviously for Joe through the digital channel, and through all the customers that he has had in the past ending credible experiences they've had, but can they afford to feed this crave of wanting experiences at matter seventy five percent of the Canadian consumer who has been lucky enough not to lose their jobs were saving money, and do you have any final thoughts for Joe? Key to JOE's. I T is his passion and his knowledge for example in his interview he talks about. His knowledge of the geology of the region, he talks about his knowledge of Wales. He talks about feeling like you're on the edge of the earth. These are all important components of the experience that people are craving right now, and there's a gradually greater renewed energy for these types of experiences. So Joe. This is one of the smartest individuals in Canada. He's pretty optimistic about your business. What do you think fearing for the first time? I didn't think it'd be that. Positive, but he seems to understand or have a pulse on. How people feel and Having a feeling about what they WANNA do to take their vacation and makes me feel good, because it tells me that people are still interested in unique cool experiences, especially where we sit on the edge of the universe. Pivot to Alex. Alex is one of the top experiential marketers in the country. Jazz a firm called Silver Lining and she helps to position clients. Take advantage of opportunities. First thing Alex comes out with as such passion about your sector. My belief is there's never been a better time in recent history to be a small independent tour operator. So I asked her why small! One of the likely macro economic outcomes of COVID is this regional economy versus global economy mindset the narrowing of the borders so narrative. The board is who should joe target for his business. The North American consumer versus the global consumer is target. They're less expensive to target and a little bit easier to market to versus the global consumer. The high net worth consumer is likely to rebound I and they want great experiences. They're also going to be a little more demanding. So Alex Jones. GonNa have to deal I. think with less is more or less people in each ship. How can they recoup that revenue? Joe Has a great opportunity to increase and up his game in terms of what he offers on his restaurant, menus signature cocktails He has an opportunity to increase his collectibles in the gift shop. And to create some great themed tours, which normally very very high price bucket list themed tours so Joseph Very Proud about Newfoundland and Labrador and in the community. How does he help to position that region in terms of this new post cove economy. He is going to have a wonderful sort of focused audience of high net worth individuals that before. May Have traveled to Iceland to see the puff INS. Now they can go to Newfoundland which is a little, less scary, a little closer, and just as magical so Joseph's small operator and leverage is going to be keys, not going to have the resources. What can you do about topping into global tour operators? They don't have a lot of domestic content. And they haven't because compared to global destinations. It didn't have the same margins. Joe Has a great opportunity to work with his T.. Dm Oh, his destination marketing organization, and make sure that they are in touch with all these tour operators that can bring their thousands of customers to joe in a very very efficient manner. So big tour operators. Are there any other ponds for Joe? Deficient the airlines, the credit card companies companies like AARP and carp are going to be looking for great ways to get their consumers to spend a game. Imagine his Joe's listening this in every tour operator. The writing notes furiously so you're on a roll Alex anybody else we should be talking to. Joe Has so much cocktail currency and amazing content to educate consumers, so alumni associations that are looking for great travel destinations more in North America than anytime before and then companies like Blyth and company. It's going to be difficult to convince parents to let their kids go abroad for a gap year. But Imagine Joe as like Professor Joe. Giving these kids the experience of a lifetime, so, Joe, what did you have to think about Alex? Bomb Silver Lining. You should position yourself. Sounds like these people are very tuned toward a consumer lies a far more than what I would see through my little glass, but we were always worried about how to be dealing with host, Cola and how they're going to be thinking travel so I was always worried. Would they just stay in bubble or would they want to look for unique experiences? That so joe I left his final comment from usual. Who summarizes with both been saying about you and your business? It's less about a tour and more about the experience of being in that environment of being able to experience the things that you could only dream of like smelling the whales breath. Vitamin. And now I WANNA. Take you to Kelly soil. She's vp of our BBC She She works in the East Coast. But before she started talking about Your Business. In common with you than simply the region. He'll be happy to know. My Mom's actually from the tiny fishing village in Newfoundland. So but something like covid nineteen heads something unforeseen I asked Kelly where to financial advisers focused history of the company. And the relationship that we have with our business owner clients in many cases. We've had these relationships for years and we know the business owners. We know their companies. We know how successful they have the opportunity to be. So tenured matters, but imagine Joe's going to have to have many conversations with his financial institution any advice. It's always better to be in a position to anticipate seventies webs, then than to be blindsided by. So. What are the important things joe? Should have in his knapsack as he walks in this meetings I to be transparent and second be prepared. So in what way doing a little homework around what resources you have available what plans you have? What are the assumptions that actually stand up those plans you know your adviser will likely ask you why a number of times through the conversation, and maybe challenge some of your assumptions, but the objective of that is really just to have a real true understanding of of your situation and your plan so that we can support and advise you. So Kelly. How do you view the importance of small businesses in your region? Small Business Owners are. True Heroes, they do so much for our communities. They provide jobs. They provide valuable services, and they also support all the other things that make our communities special, and that ties together. It's interesting to have a financial institution used the word hero in describing their clients, so joe. How? How do you feel about what RBC's talking to you about? I'm switching ABC. Question well I like to thank you for giving us that docile. Get side because. As a as a consumer buying from bank to borrow from banks, we all look through the same lens today. Look through. We kind of to our own. Is Sydney trees and to to understand how they think about financing money to make us a strong productive is it's kind of different landslips herself I. Thank her for comets. This moment in time is no different in the mid eighties when the cod were disappearing. And you had to reinvent reimagined new life, everyone's scared skeptic, negative energy overpopulate or conversation. But. The ones that ignored choose to make things happen. We'll be ones that ignite and driver new, economy. You and I both know in fact, the experts know you're one of those chosen ones. Your DNA. And you never use the word I. It's always we together. What you offers real authentic granular. I. Want people to smell a whales breath, and when you say that you smile, not because profit because there's a memory that lasts a lifetime. I want to be on your boat. Sing your songs and here. He describe Wales as living dinosaurs. Want to see the next generation learned those essential skills, humility and generosity and serving others. And I'm not alone. My only wishes that I could bottle use of the year in April spirit of resilience and this innate desire. To create incredible extraordinary experiences. While, that could become the DNA of Canadians Joe. Thank you so much for being part of this podcast. McGregor thank you for your Jackson. Speak to I felt Canadians. To find details on how RB supports business. Clients visit rb C, DOT COM slash business. You've been listening to chatter that matters with Tony Chapman. If you haven't already done, so subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts, you can connect with Tony on twitter at Tony Chapman through Lincoln at Tony Chapman reactions or visit his website Tony Chapman, reactions dot com. Chatter that matters is produced by Tony, Chapman reactions and I contact productions.
N.L. Premier Andrew Furey and P.E.I. Premier Dennis King on leaving Atlantic bubble
"Sick boy podcast is now part of the family each week. We tackle health taboos with people who have experienced them firsthand. We're determined to break down the stigma associated with illness and disease while still making some jokes and having fun along the way because laughter is the best medicine right. Find new episodes of sick boy each week on. Cbc listen or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a cbc podcast. The atlantic bubble has burst or at the very least. The bubble is leaking yesterday and land in labrador and prince. Edward island said that they are out as covert infections in new brunswick nova scotia keep rising since july people in the four provinces have been able to move freely across each other's borders without quarantining and it was working with cases staying low but things have changed. Andrew fury is the premier of newfoundland and labrador. He's in saint john's premium. Good morning. Good morning matt. How are you. I'm well thanks. You had said yesterday that the atlantic bubble has been a source of pride. What do you think made it so successful up until now well i think the ability of the atlantic provinces to work together as a region has been paramount in the past economic opportunities but in playing partnerships in this public health opportunity to protect the citizens of the atlantic region was again a source of private. Also a great source of success for over four months and in. I know you said that we were suspending. The bubble where we're taking a two week break reevaluating and seeing where the viruses and in other jurisdictions within the bubble almost a bubble within the bubble if you allow me to continue with that analogy current what's the difference between suspending it in taking a break suspension is that you know we're going to reevaluate in two weeks and see where we are see where the demand is. And if it's a seems to be calm down then we're a we'll keep going we'll evaluate and look back to get back into the overall bubble so the integrity of the atlantic bubbles still intact. I guess is the only difference what stopped working well. I'm not sure that it's a anything stopped working per say this is the. This is the change in the virus that we've seen spread across the united states now into canada. This quite contagious virus. Which is complicated by the fact that it has these few days Where you can spread today symptomatically. Even some patients can spread it to a symptomatically the entire time the so it only takes one or two Patients who are asymptomatic to burst the bubble in that you can have flare ups and then that can lead to community spread which is most concerning To citizens everywhere. And we've seen what's happened in the past when when he gets out of control so we're doing this preventative measure for newfoundland and labrador order to enable our contact tracers in our testers to ensure that we're able to contain any viruses seeps into newfoundland. Labrador was your sense that this was inevitable that What was being kept out would eventually make its way to your province. there's always a feeling of inevitability as we saw the cases rise across candidate in particular and of course we're seeing and following with great concern and great empathy and compassion for her brothers and sisters in families in in ontario and british columbian. Berta and so. We felt that the virus was pushing east in so this is yet another preventative. Measure to see if we can hold off the virus until the vaccine is is more readily available. What are you most concerned about. I mean in terms of the cases in your province there are just twenty three active cases. Which is something that i think. Many people across the country could only dream of What are you most concerned about the community spread and that was most concerning for me and evaluating other jurisdictions when you have a spread that you can't trace back to an index case that makes it difficult to contain any Any outbreak of covid nineteen. Or frankly any other communicable disease. We've been speaking with People on the front lines across this country this morning but over the last several weeks and months obviously and they're really worried about capacity in their hospitals. What sort of capacity do hospitals in your province have for coping with patients who perhaps might need care in the icu. I mean i worked on the front line. The covid nineteen before taking this job on one of the co floors here in saint. John's and i'm quite impressed with the capacity that we have here in saint john's But it's always something that we're evaluating To ensure that we don't push the limits in this extra step of putting in an extra border check is is a way that we are thinking that we can continue providing normal medical care without stressing the system and stressing our intensive care one of the perspective. Do you think you bring as a physician to this because it would be easy. I think for the average person if they see cases being low And a bubble working to perhaps let their guard down a little bit so knowing what you know as you said having been on the frontlines what sort of additional perspective do you think you bring to this. Well i think i can add an element of of rational medical sought to the decision making but that said You know i trust the public. Health officials era dr fitzgerald and her team here locally have done an incredible job in And we certainly defer to their decision making but it does bring a different level of understanding. I hope a different level of respect for the virus. And i hope i'm able to to use my previous life to convey the The dynamic nature of this virus and the need to be flexible in our response to newfoundlanders and laboratory. What do you think they're looking for. I mean again in a situation where life compared to much of the rest of the country has been able to be lived almost normally. What do you think they're looking for. And how receptive would they be to further restrictions if cases continue to rise but i think everyone across the country and in here newfoundland and labrador is looking for a degree of certainty. Unfortunately that's not something that anyone can responsibly promise but the newfoundlanders in laboratories have enjoyed an incredible amounts of freedom Over the last four months in the atlantic puzzle and they just don't want that to stop. They want the schools to be open. They want businesses to be open. They want the economy to continue albeit in a limited capacity and so I think they're prepared to continue restricting Some of the movements in order to maintain the level of the freedoms that we here now and we know and appreciate that there is across. The country are not enjoying today. What are you looking for. From federal leadership put the prime minister in the federal government would be doing as these cases continued to grow in an alarming fashion in many parts of this country. I think the federal government has a large responsibility here on ensuring the health and safety of all canadians ensuring that they're able to support a different jurisdictions. The provinces from a fiscal capacity from a supply capacity supply chain capacity whether that's p p or or providing a robust solid vaccine a distribution plan. I think that's the role of the federal government in ensuring that all the provinces are well looked after moving forward with with this pandemic there have been calls for greater federal intervention. Would you support any of that. I'm happy to discuss the greater federal interventions with respect to supplies and Fiscal support especially. Now is that as the vaccine comes online. Just finally you said that you are taking a pause for two week period. What would the threshold be to extend that even further decision matrix is not straightforward. Obviously we're looking at different variables including raw absolute numbers in different jurisdictions within the atlantic region. But also the degree and Of community spirit. Which again for me is most concerning as that can quickly a strap. The system and exhaust the capacity that we have and others have So those are the two main variables that we would kinda consider an apply different weights to a making this decision. Premier ferry to speak with you this morning. Appreciate your time thank you. Thanks very much matt. Andrew fury is the premier of newfoundland and labrador. He was in saint john's despite the decision from newfoundland and labrador and i to shut their doors yesterday. New brunswick premier blaine higgs said. His province would not be closing. Its borders yet. Now is not the time to travel to other areas. We have already made it clear that we are no longer monitoring the provincial borders and that would be potential borders between ourselves in nova scotia and Pi we will continue however to monitor the borders the northern part of the province between ourselves in quebec and we are enhanced enhancing our monitoring of of the us border. It's important that we understand movements. It's important that the family bubbles are protected and we're allowed to beat this current outbreak. Dennis king is the premier of prince edward island on the line. Now from charlottetown preemies. Good morning to you Good morning matt. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for joining us. Why your province out of the bubble. Look i think Andrew Summed up quite well just from our perspective here We look at the national case load. And how it's growing we look at that as it has come to the maritimes and the atlantic region An island province. We have the ability to contain our borders a little bit probably more easily than than other jurisdictions so for us It's about trying to maintain that quality of almost ordinary life that we have here in prince edward island and to use all the tools we have To try to beat back over to one more time. What is the bubble meant for people in your province until now the bubble has been a great Economic generator compared to what we would have. I thought perhaps back in in the spring but it's also kind of been a beacon of hope as well. I think that You know your guests that you had before premier fury talked about this ping marathon in renton and how we can't see the end in sight. And i think for a four or five month period within the high part of the summer when people are used to travelling back and forth and having some freedom to move around the atlantic bubble provided some hope and then some some normalcy at a time when it feels like anything but was everyone on side with the bubble where there's some people who were opposed to this idea. I would say that anything that pertains to the politics prince edward island on a day-to-day basis. That there would be no Uniform support. One way or the other. I think the large majority of of people even though they might have been a little apprehensive at first Really thought the bubble was a was a unique and creative way to get some movement of Of people around the region at a time when our region was incredibly safe as compared to the rest of the country or the world so but there's always detractors of course and i think if i flipped the switch to to yesterday that even though people have enjoyed the bubble i think the overwhelming response. So far has been. I'm glad that we have done this. I hope we don't have to do it very long. But i'm glad we're trying to do this now. As a pre as a proactive measure as opposed to trying to react in a couple of weeks time. If things were to go bad the last week. I spoke with the health minister nunavut and spoke to him about concerns around blame. They had kept covert out of that territory. It crept in and now it's ripping through parts of none of it. He was really worried that people would blame others for bringing it into that territory. Are you worried about finger pointing having been so successful with the bubble up until this point. Pardon me yeah. I look at the sixty nine cases that we've had here. In prince edward island have been imported into the region largely due to rotational workers etcetera. So i don't think anybody is really gets upset with the individual. Nobody brings this willingly To our province but at the same time You know we have to be mindful that we are a small province so if we say Rotational worker from western. Canada came to the eastern part of the province. We can quickly Do the math and do the geology of who that bear geography who that is so You know it's a fine line. But i do think overall that Most islanders have been understanding that Covert is here that we weren't going to not have covid here and they're concerned has always been around making sure that we can track the cases and and keep islanders safe. Well into that. And dr joanne langley epidemiologist at dalhousie university in halifax and the co lead on candidates covid nineteen task force. Take a listen to what she said about. Whether the atlantic bourbeau bubble has indeed burst one interpretation of that might be that diseases rampant. They don't think it is. I think we're seeing some breakdown in the very good low transmission that we were having mainly prior to this. It was mainly imported cases. And then you circle around those imported cases and make sure they don't spread but right now we're seeing a little bit of community transmission so it will be very important to get a handle on premier. Indra fury said that This was a pause. Are you confident premier. That that that the region will be able to get a handle on the community transmission. That's taking place and that the bubble could be stitched back together Yes i mean that is my ultimate hope. I do have great faith in the public health systems in in our sister provinces and they have demonstrated Over the course of this cova time that they are able to react quickly into To contain the virus but you know but at the same time You know i look at it. From the perspective printed islands no one for perhaps and of green gables potatoes and seafood. But most of all being the most friendly and welcoming place probably in the world. So it's difficult for us to have our entry points close to to to the rest of canada or the world so we want this to be short. Term measure It's in the interest of health and safety of those who live here and those who would visit. But it's really really difficult for us to be in a situation where we can't be welcoming It's it's a really fine line for us we just We wanna work with our with our sister provinces to make sure that we contain the and beat back over one more time and as we look forward to you know a vaccine Coming in the first part of the year with with great hope I think we can see the finish line but it certainly a difficult decision that we've had to make but One that i'm glad we're able to make Proactively just before. I let you go. Are you nervously watching what's happening elsewhere in the country. We were talking earlier this morning about what's going on in alberta and that's to people in that province incredibly unsettling look i i worry about Covert not just from a high perspective but from from a national perspective a worldwide perspective even though we have to act of cases here. Maybe we're the envy of the rest of the country in that respect but at the same time Until cova is under control everywhere. It's out of control everywhere and that's kind of the way we've been looking at it. So yes i worry greatly. We have a limited capacity here if something were to happen from an outbreak perspective so We have to try everything that we can to keep it outside of our shores and to contain it. If it gets here and phosphide we've been able to do that. And i just hope and pray. We're able to continue to do that until we can. Get beyond the appreciate your time this morning. Good to talk to you premier. Thank you great to chat. He was welfare state. And you dennis. King is the premier of prince. Edward island he spoke with us from charlottetown for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.
Are the oil industry's opportunities for post-coronavirus recovery dwindling in North America?
"Welcome to the daily brief, the world oil podcast network, daily review of Market News, emerging trends, new technologies, and the people who are advancing the oil and gas industry. Here's Cameron Wallace with your top news stories of the day. Hello and welcome to the world oil daily brief podcast. I'm Cameron Wallace, and today's Sunday September the thirteenth. And this week, there's been quite a bit of activity here in the United States, regarding what has been the impact on the oilfield sector in terms of jobs and. These here in the US and also quite a bit development in terms of future opportunities, regarding licensing and availability of leases and other opportunities at the federal government is in charge of that will have impact on future operations here in the states. So I'm talk a little bit about that today and then also up north in Canada. Husky Energy made some pretty important statements earlier in the week regarding what they see as some future trends for offshore exploration in Canada that's pretty important. decisions are getting ready to makes the WANNA talk about that as well. So our resident expert on candidate in particular and everything else of course as well is ruled oils editor in chief Kurt Abraham. So Kurt, thanks for joining us today. Well, thank you. Karen, and another interesting week This whole series from statistics on oilfield employment is quite fascinating according to our friends over a pizza. the Oilfield Services Equipment Sector Lost Approximately Twenty six, hundred jobs in August. And that is by using that's calculated by using preliminary data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics along with some interpretation provided by some researchers over the Hobby School of Public Affairs at the University of Houston. So it's interesting that the oilfield job losses continue to mount, maybe not quite the rate they were earlier this year but they're still occurring and it flies in the face of the fact that the US economy and at one point, four, million jobs in August and the overall unemployment rate in the nation fell to eight point four percent. So the. Upstream sector continues to take it on the chin. the total job losses due to pandemic related demand destruction have now reached one, hundred, three, thousand, four, hundred, twenty, oil field service employment is down more than one hundred, twenty, one thousand jobs since August, two, thousand nineteen, and is now at its lowest point. So they say, since March of two, thousand, seventeen. So a lot of big numbers here Piecing consultation with the folks in University Houston say that the O., S. sector jobs total. is now six, hundred, sixty, thousand, one, seventy down from seven, hundred, sixty, four, thousand, one, hundred, eighty, nine in February, and it's a loss of thirteen point five percent and I don't think any of us are surprised that the greatest amount of losses occurred in the month of April over fifty, nine, thousand jobs lost in one month. So some really impressive numbers here but not unexpected. On sprite and I'm looking at the chart here. I'll put a link to it in the show notes see you can go to the website and see made a really handsome chart that shows these differences between nineteen, twenty twenty and not looking back at twenty nineteen. I'm Kinda surprised courtesy the there was growth albeit very slight growth all the way up until the end of the year and one of the things that we've talked about in this show recently, as we think back Oh compared to twenty nineteen wasn't really that great but you know it looks like employment at least held pretty strongly throughout that year. Well. I think a lot of companies in the industry Maybe it was wishful thinking I. Think a lot of them were hoping that in a last year would be relatively decent year in that this year will build upon last year. Of course, it started out that way very briefly for about. Two months, and then it all went to down the drain. Now, here's another thing that I find fascinating in that is among the states of lost four thousand or more oilfield service jobs those include Texas, Louisiana Oklahoma, Colorado New Mexico California and Pennsylvania. Out of that group is seven the other six other than Texas, their total job loss was thirty, seven, thousand, eight, hundred whereas the state of Texas by itself accounted for fifty, nine thousand. So that that's a pretty impressive issues where the concentration of the jobs has been and much of that right in Houston so. Not a lot of surprises here. Just confirmation of you know how bad things have been. Now, the good news is that the rate of job loss? Retreating dramatically it's not near what it was earlier this year. So hopefully were just about coming to the bottom of this line on the chart in and things will get better. Yeah. Hopefully, we'll get better soon I think that as you said, they're bottoming out and there's not a whole lot left beneath there to to descend to. So I guess we'll see how the rest of this year transpires. But as we kind of look forward to the rest of this year and the political season is heating up the administration has to making some decisions, regarding access to federal lands both onshore and offshore, and some other incentives around energy as we get ready for the big election. November? Real Arts right and You've got the president who Has Gone ahead and decided to extend a moratorium on selling new oil and gas leases in an area of the eastern Gulf of Mexico about one hundred, fifty miles from Florida coast, and then they've gone and extended that ban around the bottom of Florida an on up the Atlantic coast beyond Florida to the coast of Georgia and South Carolina I don't believe it includes north. Carolina just. South. Carolina. But nonetheless, a lot of territory again put off limits now we all know that there hasn't been any drilling in those areas anyway and nothing was going to be Forthcoming anytime soon because you've already had the in effect and all this does is extended but. It is an example of what you would probably call of vote harvesting in the sense that If you're trying to win the state and win the electoral votes of that state, you want to get as many votes as you possibly can and Florida along with California. Probably the two most intense states for what we call the Nimby effect which. Stands for not in my backyard. So the Nimby affect I, think was to the tune of something like seventy seven percent of all floridians are against any kind of offshore. Oil and gas activity along the entire state coastline, and that's pretty hard to ignore, and so you kind of understand what trump is doing here. You don't like it but under the circumstances and looking toward the future. And the future of policy for this country if one candidate wins over the other it's something that you know you just learn to live with. Yeah and I guess this is the season for making those sorts of decisions. But you know he did just recently say he wanted to reopen leasing up in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve and you mentioned the NIMBIES I. The folks in Florida and California are also and I Y B Y e not in your backyard. So they're gonNA, be suing the federal government to go forward with those lease programs up in Alaska and you know it seems like there's enough lower hanging fruit that maybe that's a bit of a card to give the left something to complain about as we move forward. But In addition to that ban off the Atlantic coast. President trump also has decided to end the waiver. Exemption for refiners. That allowed them to not have to use. A more at all in their fuel blends. And that's something that is really important to Asia refiners the to the grain producing states like Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota. which, of course, also swing states and then on a much more level. see it matters to motorcycle enthusiasts and other people like me who hate ethanol gumming up there carburetors but about aggressed so So it, it's one more thing that he's doing and I suppose it's pretty shrewd Kurt as we get into the the final part of the political season here to make these sorts of calls because like you said, they're not set in stone. No that's right and What we have is a situation where you have members of Congress who? Keep talking up the subject on one side of the aisle here, and who would love nothing more than to institute this kind of You know some of these bands. On various oil against activities around the country. But it's an example of where the president is making a you know a very. Precise. Calculation as to how many votes he can win versus how many votes he loses some of these moves. Now you know we've got corollary situation in Wyoming. Where you've had people in Congress talking about. a new federal land lease span, which I don't know folks out there realized just how much of the activity we've had in certain states is on federal lands This is not just a situation in Wyoming it's true in New Mexico. It's true in Colorado. It's true in a number of states mostly out in the western half of the country but. They say that Wyoming proportionately will hurt the worst if we were to have a ban on fifth of future. Federal. Leasing and public lands if that were to take effect you've got. Thirty eight percent of federal onshore natural gas production in sixteen percent of oil production on those lands occurs in Wyoming. So it would probably be the hardest hit state among several that would be impacted. Right. Well I guess that's An example of precise calculations being mated key time with for the the nation as a whole for the industry. Now kind of the opposite of precise calculations, we have a situation happening in Canada up in the East Coast of Canada Newfoundland Labrador region to where the. Oil and gas industry has been as with the rest of the economy under some distress. And I don't think Kurt that you would characterize the Canadian government's response as either precise or calculated. No. In fact, to call it wayward and confused. I wouldn't call it dazed and confused quite yet but certainly wayward and confused. And frankly this has been a hallmark of the Trudeau administration on any oil and gas or for that matter any energy subject they'll you know wobble a little bit too this way little bit over to the other way, and it's just a big waving massive path down the road for this administration on any of these subjects. You Know A. We've had a situation now since mid-march where Husky had suspended operations and building the big gravity base structure for the platform for the West White Rose Project and mind you folks may not realize that the white a West white rose project is nearly as large as the original white rose field project. And so there's a lot at stake here in terms of money and jobs and. Progress in the Newfoundland offshore sector. and. So you know he had the Covid Nineteen, stop the work about the time you think well, maybe you getting to the point, you can restart it. Then the company comes along says, well, I don't know. We need a full review now because it's been so many months and we've been you know not doing anything for that time period, and therefore we've got to review the scope, the schedule, the cost of the project in current terms you know we're going to have a minimum one year delay to first oil even if they were to start work again, tomorrow and as the CEO rob peabody of Husky said the operator is said, our priority is maintaining the strength of our balance sheet with ample liquidity. which in today's market is certainly a constant challenge. So you can understand where the company is coming from. Now, the question we have is Is this a giant wakeup call the Trudeau, administration? it was very fascinating to me and I know to you as well that when this came out the other day the. Office of the Canadian Federal. Minister Natural Resources. The good shame. So rig and was very quick to send a comment attributed directly to him to us here at world oil it was extremely quick. I think you have a better guests on the climb. Frank. It was within half an hour of US posting the story. Kurt, it was like they were waiting for us to post it almost. Yeah. I. Find that absolutely fascinating. So not to sells back too much but we obviously have had some effect with them to the point there actually watching what we do either proactively whereas reaction to what they do. you've got to wonder if. This is finally going to get on the front burner of the Prime Minister's agenda. I know that They made a big deal in a statement yesterday from the natural resources minister that they voter were working every day. To support the offshore workers and their families and these are at the center of our discussions. And my question is that's my comment to that is that's fine. But when are you going to finally reach a definitive decision one way or the other let these people know you can't keep them in limbo forever So very, very interesting development there. Was Funny. How definitive a statement was because everything that Trudeau had said was so wishy washy prior to that. So you know Trudeau wouldn't even say that they were concerned about the jobs in livelihoods of the region et Cetera et Cetera. D- Shameless Regan his statement was what I would have expected and hoped for from Trudeau. In days if not weeks ago. So as find, that's what shakes anything out of those guys. Yeah, and then that is the problem at the root of all of this is the the lackadaisical pace at which this administration up there in Ottawa as gone about this whole matter, it's almost like they keep hoping if if they don't do anything, don't say anything it'll just go away. But as we know our friends up there in Saint John's or quite tenacious they've made a lot of noise and. Ruckus and they haven't let go away and now of course, huskies decision really puts the fat and the fire. So we'll have to see. But yes, you're correct about ten days ago the prime. Minister Trudeau. guest on a radio show with a local radio host in Saint John's and despite the radio host valiant attempts to try to pin down Trudeau one way or another on the whole matter and get him to say something. E, Kip weaving a bobbing. The late Muhammad Ali would have been proud. It was quite the little We've embalmed show there and he never did say anything definitive. So now you've got to wonder is this finally going to Bring some resolution to the matter or is this going to drag on? You know the problem the Trudeau needs to remember is. He's got a minority government and there are certain triggers that could cause what they would call over in the UK and similarly in Canada a snap election where there could be no vote of no confidence in parliament, and if the vote passed, then they'd have to have another general election and he might not make it through there. And So I would it would it be wise to alienate an entire province? If, you're trying to make sure that you have enough votes at your disposal in case something happens unexpectedly. which you could and you just wonder where his head is an on that whole matter because so far is done a great job of alienating most of that province. Well. As you've said in the past, you know you can agree with Mr Trump or disagree with Mr Trump. But either way you should be grateful that he is a man who makes decisions and acts decisively, and if you've ever wondered what the opposite of that looked like you need, look no further than to Ottawa and see what happens when the folks in charge make a game of not making decisions. And just just add one more point to that As you say, I've made that comment before at least at the end of the day where the like or not you do know where trump stands and I mentioned that to a couple of our context Saint John's, and they agree with that completely said, well, one fellow said Yeah. Trudeau's obviously the antithesis of that. Harmon stand where it is I'm sure that both Mr Trudeau and Mr, trump would take that as a compliment. That's entirely possible. Indeed. Well. We'll see how this all transpires and obviously we'll keep a very close eye on what's happening up in Canada as well as here in the states obviously and beyond. So with that, thank you everyone for listening and being a part of the show today and Kurt thanks for joining us as well. Thank you Cameron. Thanks for listening to the daily brief on the world oil podcast network. If you have any questions or comments on the program, please email editorial at world oil dot com, and check the show notes for more information about today's episode don't forget to subscribe either on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Also be sure to visit world oil dot Com for more information about today's stories and sign up for our free daily newsletter.
There's something rotten in the state of Denmark's grand energy plans
"Welcome to the daily brief the world. Oil podcast network daily review of market news emerging trends new technologies and the people who are advancing the oil and gas industry. Here's cameron wallace with your top news. Stories of the day. Hello and welcome to the world. Daily brief podcast. I'm cameron wallace. That is sunday december. Six as we get started here. It's getting closer to the holidays. There is been quite a bit of activity in the eastern hemisphere in terms of what opec has been doing to try to get a handle on their own reduction plans. We wanna talk first about what's happening over in the north sea however there's some news about the us largest oil and gas producer deciding that they're going to pull up their stakes and stop producing oil and gas by the year twenty fifty. So that's certainly bear some discussion so Opec and then. I never get tired of saying this another great week on the rig count so to help us get started as always. Kurt abraham editor in chief and chief forecaster at world oil magazine. Kurt thanks for joining us today. Oil thank you. Cameron and indeed another Fact filled into. I'm don't know fun. Filled is the right word. But certainly action packed week in the global oil and gas market Your first night of we have it. It's kind of fun to say. B. e. largest oil producer. Because that makes you think maybe britain or norway but of course it's neither one because britain as old out of the eu and norway has not been in the eu per se. So actually we're about denmark so denmark right now. Technically qualifies as the eu's biggest oil producer. They have now come forward in this land as and said we will stop offering new licenses in the north sea and phase out production altogether in twenty-fifty. Because we're taking an historic step toward a fossil fuel free future. Try to say that. Three times off and You know you've you've got the denmark climate and energy minister the good mr. Dan jorgensen who says are rather told reporters in copenhagen that he expects the decision to resonate around the world. Well maybe maybe. At least partially. But i think that the man gives too much credit to their decision but anyway You've got the social democrat government. That's in charge. They reached an agreement with a majority in our late on thursday. And this deal or this step to phase out. Production by twenty fifty means that a planned eighth licensing round is now going to be abandoned as we'll all future exploration now. There's another country that did this and people may forgotten about it but down under in new zealand. They did the same thing. So that's it no more exploration and In the short run. That's become a problem for them because they have built up other energy sources sufficiently to make up for declining oil and gas production and why is oil and gas production declining because there has been more exploration you know. It's a simple causing effect. So if denmark are things are going to be like new zealand they might wanna think twice According to the government there's about one hundred fifty million barrels of oil equivalents. That would have been drilled by twenty fifty that will now remain but beneath the ocean surface. So good minister. Jorgensen says we hope this can inspire others were the first country with a meaningful production or with meaningful production. Take such a step. The ideas that others will look at us and say if denmark and do it so can we. Now it's interesting that the greatest applause and it's not a surprise. The greatest applause came from a senior staff member of greenpeace. Uk's saying this is what climate leadership looks like. Well okay. that's fine but you have to wonder. Does the danish government think that somehow they're going to completely run the country on electricity. What are you gonna do about things. That are not natural users of electricity. Like aircraft and Should we also pointed out some other forms of motor transportation like automobiles trucks What are we going to do about that. We're going to electrify everything including all the trains. no no answers forthcoming at the moment from this government. And you know. Has anyone stop to measure how many units of energy are being used by these various users of hydrocarbons at the moment. And what is it going to take in terms of boosting electricity generation to accomplish this. And then if you realize that may take more than you think. What are you going to do to satisfy that you're going to start building Enough mills to completely carpet the coast of the country. Are you going to start putting in people's backyards or you can start putting solar cells in people's backyards I know that sounds a little bit ridiculous and a little bit controversial but it begs the question. Where are you going to get the additional generating capacity to satisfy the electricity. That's going to have to be used by all these different Forms of industry transportation and residential. Use the less the magic of a global economy. They don't have to answer that question. They can make this call and say look at how clever we are not going to be drilling for oil and gas anymore. And meanwhile down in the uae at knock is investing hundreds of billions of dollars more to expand their oil and gas production capacity for the next many many many years because they can see what's coming and they know that all these guys in denmark in there with their heads in their hands going well. Gee whiz how are we gonna make the trains run now. And they'll say well. Hey you're you're tankers. Get ready to get rid pony up and that's what's going to happen. They'll still be able to say we did the thing. We stopped producing oil and gas and sure it costs five times as much in. It's still just as detrimental as we thought it was before but at least we're not the ones doing it. And it's amazing. How people in those sorts of positions in in that mindset can say as long as. I am not the one drilling for oil as long as i am. Not the one doing the thing. Everything's fine somebody else's From someplace else that's not. I can't see fingers in my ears. Lola lola everything's good. And that kurt i think is kind of what the solution will be will be so beholden to a few producers like the uae unlike others who were going to say you know what you guys go ahead will be. We'll be there waiting for you when you're ready to take what we've got brighton. And i was going to say that when you when you look at what they're really talking about it someone disingenuous and in some ways downright deceitful. And you know they're not doing their constituents good it's almost like they're lying to their constituents that everything you say is going to be just fine instead. What's probably going to happen. Is that the citizenry over. There are going to find over the next several years that their electric race will climb substantially and will cost them much more for electrical power than it did before this has been the case in some other countries will mention who they are. But i think some folks know who they are and You just gotta wonder it is. Is this another case for the and for me in terms of top governmental officials in that country. There's enough literature that we have all read in our high school or college years that foretells of structures in societies operate in this very way I won't bother naming them all our listeners. Can you might think about giving those again. Because that's what the please like denmark going to be facing its. I think that we are finally to the point. Kurt that the Cutting off the nose to spite the face is gonna reach his logical conclusion versus no other way around. But that's exactly right agree wholeheartedly now. Anyway before we get into literary discussion let's move on to opec man. They had a rough and tumble week. This week kurd. They managed to come to an agreement but not without quite a bit of Uncharacteristic inviting in the process react. We've have an interest interesting transition we've gone. From the relative insanity of denmark short-term decision decision-making who would on the surface to be fairly sane Thought in decision making on the part of opec and the greater opaque plus grouping They had five days of difficult talks. we saw new riffs or Disagreements popping up between the core members This looks to be very much a between the various factions because nobody wanted to go away from this meeting without something but they wanted to be careful that that something was not too extreme in one direction or the other the compromise of compromised and it seems to be satisfying the oil market in the short run. Here and most of the cartel members although you continue to see a friction between saudi arabia and the ua and A little bit of friction between saudi and russia but not like it is Between saudi newly prince abdulaziz bin salman the saudi energy minister. Y'all have to feel for him. He says it's very excruciating. It's very tiring if you wanna work with twenty three countries. You have to be very congenial to the idea of flexibility and. I don't know that anybody has said it any better than he has. That really sums up the situation. Everyone has had to work over time and bend over backwards to be flexible to try to come up with something here that everybody could live with. So basically what we're seeing is. There will be a full three months delay to the original schedule january output increase. Which you know. We're talking about a maximum of two million barrels a day. I don't really think the market can handle that. in fact i know it can't so the instead. The ministers have resolved to add about a half million barrels a day of production in the next month and then gradually ramp it up from there month slide. The half a million each month until you get to the two million added figure has sometime time. April that's what we're essentially talking about now. The only thing. I was going to say. In addition to that is in that be adhered to perfectly. No never but it probably be pretty close. I think so will be interesting to see. You might notice kurt. If they've said yet they probably they might not have if they said yet where those half a million barrels a day of production which countries will be adding those because a lot of the strife has to do with countries like kazakhstan and iraq. And some of the nigeria. Some of these countries that are facing some real Challenging financial issues in their own nations on a sovereign basis You know they need to be able to get back on the market and so it'll be interesting to see if this is a used as a carrot to help keep those guys in line and an engaged or if it's us no cross the board change can imagine it would be but you know you talk about a bin salman and you know. He is a diplomat of the absolute highest caliber and he has kept this organization together through some times that we're almost toughest this so to see him. You know frankly loses cool bit yesterday and leave it to the deputy prime minister of russia novak to lead the meeting and subtle the decision. That was that surprised me. I was really surprised to see that. He got out of shape and stayed shape all the way through the decision making process. I think what you're seeing under the surfaces the continuing tension between saudi and the u a e. I think he's gotten quite tired of the antics of the uae. And i think the man just ask fatigue. It's like okay. I'm i'm to set to rationally lead this discussion. I'm gonna let somebody else do until i cool off and regain my In my balance here. I think that's where we're at It's going to be interesting. I have not seen so far the any kind of definitive list of who's Adding what to the mix. I assume that that will come out in the ensuing days. Why frankly They had to work so hard just to agree to the overall number that is not a surprise that we haven't seen any real details. Come out of this. But i assume we will Per previous practice at good point. Yeah well we'll we'll listen luck and unfortunately they're gonna have to get back together and makes more decision here in the in the fairly near future so this is not over for for them or us yet. But at least we're making progress will take that but Ins moving onto happier news is some broken records here. Kurt yet another positive week. On the recount where lance writing and. We're very glad to take it. It's not as substantial as last week's gain but Hey three rigs three rigs and we're now up to three hundred twenty three in the united states that includes to indian land waters and thirteen offshore. There's been a gain of one offshore. That's very very positive The onshore very steady at this point. Interestingly enough however all the game came in rigs targeting and a gain of five and a loss of two for gas targeting rigs so That's not sure what to make of that. That may just be an anomaly for the current may have some rigs moving around. I wouldn't read too much into that Here's was really interesting tied for the big gainers of the week to rigs of peace where the following colorado texas. That's not a surprise. And who do you think. The third one was new mexico. No west virginia never guessed that. So but here's what's funny about that. So those rigs in west. Virginia obviously those are targeting gas. And you would say well how come. The gas is down by two overall. Despite this gain of two that's because in pennsylvania they dropped three rigs targeting gas. So there you have it plus another law somewhere else in the country i i believe in wyoming so Again another regained in new mexico. They're up to fifty nine versus one hundred three at this time last year. That is one of the few states that is at a level greater than fifty percent of where they were at this time last year. Fifty nine out of one hundred three more than fifty percent. Louisiana's another there at forty versus fifty six in louisiana's case it's because of the very steady activity in the hanes phil- It's very difficult to find other states that can say that although and sylvania's wonder at seventeen versus twenty four a year ago and west virginia. Interestingly enough is at nine versus thirteen a year ago so again. Despite the overall loss of two rigs are on that to rigs moving around on-track a changing for operators etc Despite that some very positive signs on the gas side and Also we should talk about canada while were added Canada was steady on friday. At one hundred two rigs no gain there but we must point out that they are now at one hundred two verses one hundred thirty eight at the same time last year and let us let us not forget that the canadian market had been imploding in the final quarter of last year so this is not a complete surprise but it is comforting to note that the canadian count Is doing well relative to this time a year ago so we'll continue to look for trans there. Yeah any sort of positive. Positive news of canada's a good thing but they've had a bit of a streak of good news lately between what you're just describing about the rig count Over a newfoundland labrador the provincial government. They're actually dedicated. Some funds to helping the west white rose project stay yes. They warned or things. It's going to help them. Keep that in in a what they call a warmed condition. Where you're not actually doing active work. But you don't have the thing totally shut down. Its in between where you can really reinstate the grow relatively quickly We have to give kudos to the provincial government of newfoundland and labrador which obviously has far more sense than the federal government and canada and obviously has far more sense than us. Federal government or for that matter some states Very wise move on their part This is going to pay dividends down the line When they go to reinstate everything at full level It's it's very much the same kind of decision that was made by the argentine government Recently where the pledge to devote some government funding toward propping up falkenberg shale down there. And i i think that too is a is a wise move because it will pay itself back in the future By all indications of where activity will eventually go back to so At least a couple of governments are got some sense out there I'm not used to using words. Sense in in the word government in the same sentence in this case A good work by both now Speaking of things outside the us we do have a new international count from baker hughes. We should mention briefly. And it's no or the in the fact that we have had a steadily declining rig count now ever since december of last year some nearly a year except for a little four rig gain in august and now for the first time a substantial gain in november of thirteen rigs worldwide. And we should point out that all of this game can be attributed basically to latin american africa. Latin america fifteen rigs africa up nine. That's game between the two twenty four and that was trimmed back by some losses in the middle east six. They're a loss of six in asia pacific But also a gain of one rig in europe. And i should note that the overall european count includes three regain in the north sea so overall a very positive picture with some lingering concerns obviously In the middle east and asia pacific but This is definitely a good trend if it continues. But they've got a long way to climb back. I mean just to get back to the level of may when things were already down from the pandemic. they've got to gain one hundred thirty six rigs just to get back to me now if nothing else were at least making a pretty good showing on getting out of twenty twenty in a positive trend even if the numbers aren't all switching from red to green at least on the right track it feels like so. That's a this year. I dare say that the next three weeks will be very critical in terms of whether we achieve the original forecast that i set out of the worst. Us total of new wells drilled since eighteen ninety eight or whether it's merely the worst level since nineteen thirty one We will know With the activity of the next three weeks whether there's gains there are than we may avoid that eighteen ninety eight fig so keep hoping for the best of. Let's say gee whiz. I sure hope we get the rig count. The matches the one from the great depression. That sounds great. You know twenty twenty. It's been an odd year so this is yet another statistical oddity point. Well we'll give to keep an eye on all those things those these next three weeks as we seek to close out. Twenty twenty so With that kurt. I do appreciate your time as always and look forward to talking to you again. Next week when i'm sure they'll be all sorts of other spills and chills for us to discuss so. Thanks for joining us today. All right thank you so much. Cameron listening to the daily brief on the world oil podcast network. 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Why Canada might not be as tolerant as youd think
"In the world moves way, too fast, and we're all, so busy, it's easy to get lost in the chaos of the news cycle. So let's slow it down. I'm tomorrow, Docker host of the new daily podcast from global news called wait, there's more. We're going to take a deeper look at the news of the day exploring new angles asking tough questions and talking to the people directly affected by the news listen to wait. There's more for free on apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Hey, before we begin I want to let you know, about a new show from curious cast that I think you might be into it's called Russia rising Putin's. Russia has been accused of using internet. Trolls hackers and even assassins to influence, the west this new investigative podcast hopes to unravel the giant mystery that is Russia with the help of those who know her best Russian trolls hackers Putin's supporters, and even a former cagey. Spy? Join global news Europe bureau chief, Jeff simple on a journey to find out how Russia has gone from tenuous ally to a potential global threat. Listen to Russia, rising for free at curious cast dot CA or wherever you're enjoying. This is why. Earlier this year. Global news released an in-depth report on the state of racism and discrimination in Canada. What they uncovered now, may surprise you considering the Trudeau government has made it a policy goal to address exactly those issues. I'm Nikki, right Meyer. And this is why. We live in a world with divisive politics. Hate crimes on the rise, hate speech. That's the norm on social media. I was called dirty and it was because they call them my skin. There's federal leader, Jagmeet Singh, talking about the first time that he experienced racism or discrimination, and something needs to change over half of the fifteen hundred people surveyed say they've been stopped by place in public for no apparent reason. What if people knew what it felt like to be on the other side of discrimination? When I came out when I was thirty seven I can remember walking north tomato and being yelled at across the street by some young boys, calling me that's the inspiration for new series airing on global news this week titled first time I was called. Well, we interview Canadians on their experiences with race religion, gender sexuality appearance and ability. Fairness is a reporter with global news. She worked on a series called the first time I was called dot dot dot and it focuses on individual stories of discrimination. So I think that we, we like to think that we are immune to this. We like to think that we're doing really well in some, some ways we really are. I mean, we are, but a lot of ways we still have a long way to go far you spoke to some pretty high profile people were you surprised by the stories that you heard it was actually quite incredible NICKY, what we heard from people. I mean, how can did they were and how open they were. I mean, a lot of times it took a while to get there. But in the conversations how they were called these instances of, sometimes when they were in childhood sometimes when they were teenagers and how it's still resonates and how it affects them we spoke to award winning singer songwriter, Julie black about being called the N word on a on a TC bus here in Toronto, an older white women. Wasn't happy with what she would call the noise, and she looked right at me and said, shut up nigger bitch, almost silenced me, said that she was the tallest one at a for her group of friends. So she thinks that when we confronted just look, the most like an adult but she was a kid, and she said that, it, it completely changed. I didn't it impacted my confidence. It made a question. Everything and made a question the coil of her hair. She didn't wear braids till very recently. I mean, this is the woman who's won all kinds of awards across the country, his toured. So that was something that, that really has affected her to the state. It's really impacted her music. But at one point, it silenced her, I mean, she felt like she wasn't strong enough to speak out against injustice, and now and now she does just that God, it's all what, how powerful memories are. Jagmeet Singh number of votes. Thirty five thousand. Sixty six. You're looking at the new leader of the party of candidate jug, meets, sing Jagmeet Singh. You spoke to him as well. Did you get the impression that the discrimination he faced as a youth? Drove him to want to get into politics as an adult. Him up for sure. One hundred percent. I mean, he, he says that totally made him sensitive to people's plight to, to how minority communities are treated to how it feels to be, you know, the other. So for him for sure, and what's interesting about his case is that I mean he talked to us about how his turban was pulled off how it with he was called dirty, and he remembers he he felt like had to wash skin because of the color of it, and then how he was he was treated by people. But the interesting part is, I mean, very recently, you'll remember that viral video of a woman, you know, accusing him of bringing sharia law to, to Canada and you know how how he didn't say to her, look, I'm not Muslim Sikh b because he said, you know, all minority communities are met with this, and we're not different from each other. We're actually very similar. This is this. So just once again, let's just what do we believe in? We believe in loving Kirsch, right? Responded with the word love and courage. And he kept saying that because he believes that that's how the kind of get people to foster understanding in for people to change. Absolutely. We do you live in a society. We live in a country where he'd crimes are on the rise. More. So in certain minority groups, we live in a society, where where we see divisive politics, even in Canada. Not just in the states, and we also live somewhere, where it's the norm to see hateful language and hateful speech on social media. I've worked in news for twenty years. I've never encountered the kind of language encounter that I've encountered the past few years. So this exists, and without explaining to people how it makes us feel how it feels to be on the other end, we can't build bridges, which is what we really need to do. Do you think that there's been a change in the amount of discrimination, that's being shown, or do you think the way in which it's being presented has changed because of social media. It's easier to hear it now and it's easier for people to discriminate because they have a platform. Yeah. I mean, I think that's definitely true. I think there is a platform, but this is not just racial discrimination. I'm talking about this is like, you know, gender all kinds of stuff. But people feel like they can say it more people feel like they've, they've been given an okay to feel this way to say this to have these conversations out loud where maybe they wouldn't have in the past, you know, maybe it was blatant discrimination, thirty forty years ago now that subtle racism still exists and there's people who, who just kind of kind of take it, and I think that's what needs to change. But again, there's still a lot of work to do since FARs report. Aired earlier this year. More cases of racism, and discrimination have been. Reported some really senseless stupid cases of discrimination as well. Did you hear the story of a team with cerebral palsy at a skating rink in Oliver BC, Kenya believe that he was using us lead? But got kicked off the ice by an employee of the rink who said sleds aren't allowed during public skates. I mean, sometimes you gotta just shake your head. What were these people thinking to discriminate against a teenager with cerebral palsy because he was using a sled to skate with his friends on public ice. That's just one story of the discrimination. We continue to here in Canada. It's interesting to note, though, religion remains the number one motivator for discrimination. Twenty eight percent directed at Jewish people and eighteen percent of reported hate crimes directed at Muslim people. But this episode doesn't just explorer stories. Of racism and discrimination. It asks a question of our politicians as well. Prime minister Justin Trudeau has said that our borders are open to immigrants and refugees. He made his cabinet fifty percent female, many of his policies are designed around anti-discrimination. However, that sentiment at least to the same degree does not seem to be represented by the general, Canadian population. In fact, earlier this year and Angus Reid survey found that nearly fifty percent of Canadians asked said they wanna see the federal government's target of immigration intake reduced. So our politicians more progressive than the general population is when it comes to these types of policies. Coming up later in this episode. It's an interesting question asked our politicians, leading the way and being more progressive and bringing electric long. You're listening to this is why a national radio show and podcast from global news. We just spoke with global news. Reporter Farah Nasser about the state of racism and discrimination in Canada. There's no denying that we live in a fairly PC world these days, but does it surprise you that hate crimes are on the rise here in Canada? There is some troubling news about hate crime in Canada. They are on the rise. The biggest crimes of the last couple of years have been growing. That's David Achim. He's the chief political correspondent for global news. He's based on parliament hill in Ottawa, most rapidly hate crimes against identifiable Muslim groups. But on the other hand, overall, the number one group that still seems to get the most hate targeted at them are Jewish groups. So we heard some anecdotal evidence of discrimination in Canada. David do the statistics reflect those same conclusions that Canada has a discrimination problem, I would say broadly. Yes. But let me point this out very recently. Osa comments committee studied systemic racism and discrimination in Canada. I spent a lot of time looking at that issue heard from a lot of experts, a lot of witnesses and, and made several recommendations to reduce systemic racism in Canada. But one of the issues that they flagged was that there really is a lack of data we certainly have a lot of proxies for discrimination. For example, one is police forces across the country, every year, they measure hate crimes crimes against identifiable religious groups. So we can say that hate crimes in the last couple of years have been growing. That's just hate crimes. That is not the overall discrimination, where someone may feel that because of their skin color, or their religious beliefs, or their sexual orientation, that they're not getting a job that they're not getting promoted, there's, there's a whole Patrick stats on that one thing that we do know, is that prime minister, Trudeau, he's really embraced the plate of those who are marginalized and. He's based a lot of really progressive policies around countering. What his party seems to view as a discrimination problem here, can you walk us through a couple examples of those policies, or initiatives, you sort of think about three broad groups of people that have historically suffered some sort of discrimination? And that would be first of all women, and I can tell you, as someone who is traveled a lot with the prime minister around the world to summit after summit, he really stands out in international fora, when he talks about being, quote, feminist prime minister, and how he's committed to gender-based analysis in his budget gender-based analysis of his legislation any comments about how a man looks is not even an eyelash worth of the kind of systemic discrimination that women face every single day in any workforce. Some people may roll the rise at this in this country, but it gets a lot of attention because it's so rare. And so unique when he is it international someone he was in Davos, Switzerland. I was there with him at the World Economic Forum. Prime minister also told leaders in Davos to tackle inequality or risk failure. The next -nificant one is systemic racism against digits peoples in this country. And we, we have a long and often said and sorry history of discrimination against indigenous people. We have seen the prime minister offer apologies to residential school survivors apologies to those Newfoundland, labrador, I humbly stand before you to offer a long, overdue apology on behalf of the government of Canada and all Canadians. He has given mandate letters to all his cabinet ministers, saying that mission of reconciliation is will be at the heart of everything. We do. And then I guess, the third area would be refugees chiefly Muslim refugees from the Middle East from Syria, very famously the first group of refugees came from Syria arrived at Toronto's Pearson airport. And our prime minister was there on hand to greet them to present them with clothing to welcome them to Canada. This is a wonderful night, where we get to show, not just a plane load of new Canadians. What Canada's all about we get to show the world and again, outside candidate United States. When I travel with him to the UK to Asia that image of a head of government, greeting, some refugees with many much of the world is, is putting up borders doesn't want refugees. They step off the plane as refugees, but they walk out of this terminal, as permanent residents of Canada. That's another powerful visual symbol. So those would be three areas that I think the Trudeau government has worked to address the issue of systemic racism, certainly will be people who say it's been a lot of symbols. It's been a lot of virtue signaling and not as much progress as the government would like you, perhaps, to think, for the oppression of the lesbian gay. Bisexual, transgender queer and to spirit communities, we apologize. The prime minister also told leaders in Davos to tackle inequality risk failures. Mr President are so yesterday. Justin trudeau. He's so handsome. He's so charming. He's the future. And I said, Justin, just give it a rest. Maternal love is the love that's going to change the future of mankind. What we to say, people kind not necessarily mankind more inclusive. Tune words setting off a wave of reaction across the country. The Senate has voted to change the national anthem to make gender-neutral the move changes the line in Canada, in all sons command to in all of us command. The new language comes with a whole lot of push back, the percentage of voters who believed the Canadian government needs a change in management is now not only over fifty percent. It is hit sixty percent if it stays there, it's panic time for the team to conservatives are ahead of two in almost every single category, including women and women. No longer are impressed by the look and the rhetorical leibel feminist. Prime minister. He said, the public reaction internationally has been really positive. But what about here in Canada? What is the public reaction being to those initiatives? Well, it sort of draws along partisan lines. And so, certainly, if you are a Trudeau supporter, you're a liberal supporter, you know, this is one of the things that you really really like about the Trudeau government. I think a lot of polls would would sort of indicate that, then there are others that conservatives all use first of all, who again, as I mentioned. We'll criticize first of all, virtuous signaling on a lot of issues and they'll say that the government, for instance, on refugees is not doing as well as the doctor be on the issue around gender diversity, gender equality, this sort of falls in a traditional sort of bait. There'll be many female conservative politicians saying, you know, women just want to be judged on their own merits etcetera etcetera. And then there's the New Democrats who come at it sort of, from the left from the more progressive side to say, the Troodos, all-talk no-action, so for all the Trudeau government has said it's due. Doing and has signaled at wants to do it does get criticism from people on the right and for people on the left depending on the issue. David, it seems like you're saying that well other political parties in Canada are critical of Trudeau. They all seem pretty progressive. I mean, they all seem to be criticizing Trudeau for not taking action or for not doing enough for these groups in the minority that are being discriminated against. Yes, we've been hearing these stories. The discrimination is a problem. You said that hate crimes are on the rise. So it makes me wonder if there's a contrast between the morality that Canadian politicians are pushing and the reality of how Canadian citizens actually feel. You know, that's a really interesting question is a good question. And, and I would have to say that by and large. No, I would think politicians tend to mirror, the people that put them in power. And so as we think about the federal, liberal government, they're in power. Our right now primarily because they have won the support of Canada's urban areas Vancouver Edmonton Calgary. There's downtown Winnipeg downtown Toronto downtown Montreal downtown Halifax, all liberal bastions. And we know from any number of studies that those living in urban cores tend to be more progressive in their politics. It's an interesting question asked our politicians, leading the way and being more progressive, and bringing electric long or this is my view that there is an electorate that a political party says, you know, if we have some more progressive policies, we can form a governing coalition or a government, I think that's probably more likely. Thanks, David Jordan. No problem. Happy happy to join you as of June twenty seventeen hate crimes against Muslims in Canada increased by two hundred and fifty three percent over four years. And in October of twenty eighteen a survey reported that over half of Canadian girls. Noticed gender discrimination. All of this, despite the prime minister's progressive agenda. So is true. Joe out of touch with what's actually happening in this country is he looking at our nation through rose colored glasses. Or is it up to polticians to be more progressive than the population they represent? This is why is produced by John O'Dowd and mean too key. Right meyer. It's a national radio show and podcast from mobile news. Download and subscribe on apple podcast, Google podcasts, wherever it is you download your favorite podcasts. Give us a rating and review while you're there to please and tell your friends about us to we're on Twitter at this is why and you can always send us an Email. This is why at curious cast dot CA. Thanks for listening. And I'll talk to you next week.
In a post-Schlumberger world, how will the new frac services landscape change the way shale explorers operate?
"Welcome to the daily brief, the world oil podcast network, daily review of Market News, emerging trends, new technologies, and the people who are advancing the oil and gas industry. Here's Cameron Wallace with your top news stories of the day. Hello and welcome to the World Oil Daily Brief podcast I'm Cameron Wallace, and today is Sunday September sixth as we started off this this short week here in the US there's some exciting news this week about slumber, Jay and Liberty Oilfield Services, and recent deal they completed regarding FRAC capability in North America. So long take a look at what that means for the two parties involved and for the industry a large the deal of this magnitude is going to have quite a few implications. And then on top of that up in Canada there has been some some intrigue regarding the Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his opinion on what needs to be done or does not need to be done in order to support the offshore oil and gas industry up there in Canada. and. Then finally, down in Mexico Hammocks is going to be going through some budgetary changes for twenty twenty one as they try to not only meet the new normal of the oil and gas sector but also contend with bribery charges and other thrilling bits of activity regarding the operation of the Mexican government. So there's quite a bit happening in spite of the short week help us get through all. This is Kurt Abraham Editor in chief of world oil magazine. So Kerr thanks for joining us. Well thank you Cameron and certainly an interesting week last week in the intrigue will no doubt continued into the next couple of weeks yellow this thing was slumber J. it's quite interesting to look at the headline that wrote here where they say slumbers as North American FRAC exit. Signal the end of the US shale boom. Now to the UNINITIATED, that headline makes it sound as if that's the end of US shale period. We certainly wouldn't say that by any means, is there a reduction and perhaps a permanent reduction for the next couple of years probably more than likely, but we're not going to lose the shale market completely. However, there is going to be very serious realignment particularly now that this deal is taken place and I believe that this is a signal from slumber J. that they intend. As they have said, they're going to reshuffle their business and they intend to focus more on other regions besides North America, they'll still have a significant presence here, but they are shuffling the deck. Now from the standpoint of Liberty Oilfield Services, they can come in and say, Hey, look at us you know up until recently we're just a very interesting niche player here. Now, they are literally going to. Become the second largest fracking provider in North America. A second only to Halliburton and I'm sure they got the attention of the folks over at Haliburton Yeah I'm sure they did. They've got them square in their crosshairs. I think the CEO of liberty made didn't interview just after the deal was complete and he said something along the lines of their goal is growth and as result of that goal be natural that they are going to be eventually gunning for the number one player and that's Halberg. And it's interesting to look at what liberty has received in this deal you know. Slumber J. Just said you know this is a great way for us to you know basically offload our wants to business, and so the first thing you might think about is alright. So. Liberty is gonNA spend time all of the slumber J. Diesel Frac, pump trucks, and everything from blue to red, and then just get back to work. But the CEO of liberty had something much more specific in mind he had his eye on slumber Jay's electric blending technologies which are used to combine Frac province and water and other chemistry before pump down hole. The reason why he was keen on that electric blending technology is because he is also keen. On shifting from a diesel based frank fleet to a more tailored to specific clients needs electric based FRAC fleet. So he's not just taken the stuff, but at work he's got a very different plan to take his what he wants to do a little different direction. Then we're Halliburton is. So suddenly there is a compelling reason to choose one or the other is not just it's not just going to be a pure pricing play as these to compete. Well in in just add a little more detail to the situation here. This is not something that liberty came up with overnight. You know just because they were able to do this deal with summer J. as the CEO Chris Right as stated, his company has actually been mounting two year effort already to develop the generation in frank pumping works off of of As you said than diesel so they've been working at this for a while and now they can really go at full throat. into the future. he also made the comedy set our goal with this acquisition is to keep getting better but to the extent we succeeded that it probably leads us to being the leader sometime down the road. Now I'm sure they're not only got the attention of our friends at Halliburton I'm sure that Halliburton would have something to say about that although they haven't said anything publicly, but I'm sure they've got their own feelings. So is going to be interesting to watch this competition get underway now and see what happens over the next. Couple of years It may well take a couple of years for this develop further considering that the industry right now is that a very low activity level. So you're not going to see any big effects right away. Yeah. That's right and it will also be interesting to see how the client base for these two companies react to this new New Paradigm. In in fact, services because it kind of shifts with the winds whether operators prefer to have a one stop shop operation or if they prefer to choose from a Range of best in class providers, and so now you know that's going to be another big differentiator for these two. Halliburton is the one-stop shop and Liberty Oh. You know is the best in class provider for only one part of the equation. So I guess that's GonNa make the calculus a little bit more at once a little more complex than little more clear more plane for the operators who trying to choose between the two well, technically speaking looking at it from the angle of a shale play operator. Slumber. J. Really cannot say that they are a one hundred percent one stop shop for that classification of operator at this point. So you before they sold the. Business they weren't really a one stop provider anyway. Well, they were one stop provider with now that they have given up that fracking business. That's a piece out of the one hundred percent that they cannot offer anymore. Therefore, they're not one hundred percent one stop, right? Right Yeah Halliburton is. But. If you want to plan the whole thing out and in one fell swoop than your choices, Halliburton who can take you from. Agency or going with liberty which would mean you'd have to do a little more planning and programming to get those different providers slotted in but you know again those the taste and the attitude towards those sorts of setups, change and change frequently. In. The course of my career in the marketing side of often had to. One point explain why? One Stop Shop is better and then a year later explained why in classes better so it's nothing is is. Set in stone there. But you know speaking of. Demand the latest count came out on Friday and it's not not great not terrible if you've seen Chernobyl. What what are you infer from that Kurt I'll tell you it's interesting cameron in the sense that we had absolutely no change in the land count in the US in the last week. So things are status quo. It'll really in my estimation, the process of finishing the bottom. And actually rising. A couple of recounts ago we did have a ten rig jumping us out than the week before it was level zero in. Now there's a gain of two hour ever not in Milan counts in the offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. So we've now gone for number. Thirteen rigged steady to fifteen in the Gulf. That's good. Because it's now more than half of what the rate was last year at twenty eight rigs, an improvement for sure and we've been. Saying that we expected this to happen. Now, we're not going to have this kind of increase. Every week is going to be very gradual increase, but there's no denying the fact that when you compare the offshore projects to the onshore shale in particular, the opportunity for more steady longer term returns on investment Roi is going to be in those deepwater Gulf of Mexico property. Now, also in the recap, something that has a. Little bit disturbed as a fact that Canada for the second, we can row had a little bit of a decrease another to rig dropped down to fifty two versus one, hundred, forty, seven last year. So there roughly a third of where they were last year don't really know why this happened. It was out in the on the rather offshore off of Canada, but it was in the land counselor in Western can. To we'll have to find out what's going on there. Now, in terms of components of these recounts not a lot of change geographically in the US The changes are so minor than not worth talking about There was one increase, one rig increase in the oil count and one in the miscellaneous oddly enough but other than that nothing to really talk about. So we'll have to see what happens in the next couple of weeks, and then we can see if another trend is building or not. and. Zach. You'll have to. Pick it up from where I said. So we'll have to wait another couple of weeks to see a F- another trend builds or not. Yes. Right and speaking of Trends Kurd Abraham and his team are working on finalizing their mid-year forecast, which is a look at the global drilling industry what's happening and some insights into what can be expected in the future that's something that. World oil producers twice a year and as always a hallmark of the world oil cracked. So if you want to be a part of that, I'm sure you do you want to be sure and check out world oil dot com slash subscribe to make sure that you're in the running to see that report comes out later this month but Kurt of Canada I I guess. Mr Justin Trudeau Prime Minister of Canada made a radio appearance of all things in. The Newfoundland Labrador region and was asked some pretty pointed questions about his thoughts on the oil and gas sector in that region and what he offered was termed as quote disappointing which I guess if you translate that from Canadian to American if the Canadian says, it's disappointing I guess down here we would call you'll be apoplectic but what what is going on up there with Mr Trudeau and Newfoundlander oil industry. Well, you know this is a situation that Let's see now has been going on for a better part of five months now, really since about the end of March beginning of April and as many of our listeners will remember of the folks there in Saint John's Newfoundland in particular. Were, very concerned about the viability of the all shredded industry going forward under current market conditions which are absolutely awful and the fact that you contrast that with the break prospectivity of that area I mean that is where some really significant oil finds could occur if you had the right volume of activity and that's what the folks are concerned about the have all that prospectivity and yet they can't do anything about it because they're not getting any breaks from the Canadian government as opposed to what for instance, the Norwegian government did for their industry where they gave them some very significant tax breaks and that's really what the folks are asking for. But they cannot get a straight answer out a trudeau and it's really remarkable that the man just cannot give them a straight answer So he has this little interview with I believe a radio host up there and the host asked pointed questions about supporting the East, Canadian offshore industry and Ati slater responses of the prime minister. Did Not provide any commitment or clarity. despite all these funds decreases up there and all the advocacy by the Newfoundland and Labrador Oil and Gas Industries Association better known as NOAA N-O-A-A and. The provincial government of Newfoundland and Labrador, as well as all the industry companies. So the cheer of Noaa Karen. Windsor she said prior to the Prime Minister's call I spoke with the spoke with the host about the importance of our industry and the need for an answer after months of discussion, thousands of lost jobs in the industry prices. So this host asked the pointed questions of the Prime Minister but still could not get a straight response about how he's going to stop the bleeding of the industry. And she said, this is extremely disappointing and we expect more from our prime minister now, the CEO of Noaa Charlene Johnson also said despite being presented with facts about the important contribution, our industry makes to Newfoundland and Labrador and Canada and his government's previous investment in a pipeline. Prime Minister did not directly answer any questions but instead may vague references to helping the province and and here's the key line that he said to those folks rather to the radio host that was related. These folks that I think has the. An uproar and that is he made a comment. The way the world is going now I know, but you folks out there. But when I hear a comment like that, it sounds like some kind of green new deal comment and you and I know that the folks off-the-record up there are wondering whether true his turn into a full Lhasa Ming a Greenie up there and if so they're very concerned about what's going to happen to the hydrocarbon industry in Canada's a whole and especially their province and in. The fight they can't get a straight answer out of them just infuriates them even more. So you know say what you will about the US President Donald Trump you may not like what the man has to say but at least usually after he says something, you know where you stand one way or the other, and that's all that the folks in Saint, John's are asking for is a statement of declarative statement I either going to do this or I'm not going to do it, but he refuses to do that. Well in that statement about we'll have to see which way the winds blow or whatever it actually specifically was. Is One of those terrible cop-out statements which he's basically throwing up his hands and saying, you know I'm just going to sit back and let this do whatever it's going to do and. You say things like that. When you know the outcomes not going to be positive but then you can say, well, Hey, you know it was all these outs outside forces beyond our control Cetera Cetera. What allows response however now ever you know there's always a. Corollary, and sometimes maybe you want things to be a little more hands off and I suppose that our neighbors to the southbound in Mexico. May agree with that statement, I guess PEX IS GONNA be revising its budgetary plans for twenty twenty one and I think that some of the Shenanigans of the current and previous administration. May Have some small role in that, but it's going to be. Change you can believe in down in Mexico next year. Well, that's for sure and it it looks like now that Preliminary. Output goal of two point zero to seven million barrels. A day is a bit of a stretch it. It says here. Mecca pex. The state oil company Mexico produced on average one point six, nine, two, million barrels a day between January and July that's below the target of one point three, million a day expected by the Finance Ministry. So together with lower selling prices and we know how those have been. The production shortfall. Slashed the Mexican government's oil revenue the just fifty six percent of its goal. So now, they're finalizing a budget proposal for next year at supposed to be handed off to Congress this week and they're going to try to. Square. This altogether and try to figure out what the new level should be. It's obvious. They're not going to get back up over two million barrels a day anytime soon, and you know this is yet another chapter in about fifteen years of oil output declines. And you know they've racked up debt. If you can believe this a one, hundred, seven, billion dollars you know that's that's more than the debt of most state governments in the US. So you know for won't large oil company had kind of debt is just unbelievable and that's why. In April for instance, Moody's Investors Service. In the Fitch Ratings downgraded PECs company bonds into what we call junk territory. So they obviously don't think much of anything that the company is doing right now it's GonNa be a long tough road down in Mexico, and I know that we have discussed in previous episodes of this show about how they're having to re let contracts and reopen bidding rounds and things due to issues with the validity of companies participating and the validity of. Zoar made. It's one of those things where it's gonNA unfortunately get worse before it gets better. I would I would make one further editorial comment if I might and that is the Mexican government has nobody to blame but themselves for this because they took a heavy handed approach to the opening of the EMP sector to foreign participation and they shut that down except for the existing contracts if they had left that alone and allowed companies to come in there and develop things properly particularly in the offshore sector I think you. Would see a different picture right now. But they you know they decided they didn't like that the new regime came in at the end of two thousand eighteen and we've now had over a year and a half of their way of operating and it's not looking too good. So really they have nobody to blame but themselves, plus of course, we have a bad market right now but even so they could have been doing better. Yeah and you know people saw that coming like a freight train down there when they opened up to foreign companies participation, you didn't see any of the big boys jumping in. It was a bunch of you know it's funny little companies with suspicious backgrounds and alliances, and that was what led to them having to relate a lot of this work and frankly what probably led to the situation there now so Despite their best effort to try and open things up all it did was. Pushed them a little further down this path. So. I guess we'll just see what happens on their Mexico but as you said, it's a bad mark it anyway. So for from the consumer standpoint, there's plenty of oil to be had with Pinnock Scherzer Act together not. That is true. So I guess with that will wish everyone here in the United States a happy Labor Day enjoy your day off everybody else get back to work and we'll. Talk to you again in a week. Thanks for listening to the daily brief on the world oil podcast network. 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National Affairs Panel: Provincial premiers make their demands
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The Canadians deserve us to achieve. So that's my point Manitoba Premier. Brian Pallister speaking yesterday about the liberal. Government's Pharma Care Proposal. Canada's provincial. Premiers might have different opinions about that plan but yesterday they agreed auto wash should increase healthcare transfers. They shoot several other demands for Justin Trudeau to when they met in Toronto and with the Prime Minister. Handicapped by a minority government and concerns earns about politically fractured country. They're banking on getting a captive audience. In fact the premier's many of them conservative are sounding a lot like the opposition these days while Andrew Scheer Shear leader of the official opposition faces on going questions about his future our national affairs panel is here to discuss all of this. JP tasker is reporter in the CBS's parliamentary bureau. We've reached him in Toronto. Susan delicate is a national columnist and Ottawa. Bureau chief for the Toronto Star. She is in our Ottawa. Studio and and Checchi Curl is executive director of the Angus Reid Institute and she is in our London England studio today. Hello to all of you good. Jp Let's start with you the premier's here's had a laundry list of demands to what stood out for you as the most important. Yeah I mean it's hard not to see this year's meeting as anything but a victory no AETNA victory for from Berta Premium Jason Kenney You know I'm calling it the candy coup because he came up with a plan a plan for fairness for over to any gun all thirteen eighteen provincial territorial leaders to sign on and it really isn't small potatoes stop they've agreed to some big changes to the fiscal stabilization program which it sounds rather dull but it really could be something to help deal with these national unique questions. We've been facing over the last number of months and really what they've all agreed to do. Is pressure off watching boost the payments they give provinces that are going through tough times promises like Albertus Newfoundland Labrador which has seen their budgets have been holed blowing allowing them because of the oil. Price Crater I mean he thinks they've agreed to the premiums also agreed to pressure off a chain bill c sixty nine which hearing a lot about lately to the environmental neck. Liberal government introduced in the last parliament. They all said that there needs to be some change legislation to make them more palatable than the natural resources sector actor that he can get. Projects Built Kenny had both of those at the top of this list and the others went along. Even someone like the John Organ is obviously been against pipeline pointed development. He's agreed to sign on the dotted line with this one after the government to kind weaken or water down its environmental assessment bill. So that's that it's not insignificant and I think the Liberal government has got his marching orders from the dreamers And it's something it carries more weight. I think when they've all agreed to the same principle. Susan Delacour stood out to you. I think yes the call for unity and it should be said that Premieres are never so united as when they're asking auto offer for thing You and I have been covering this longtime Laura and we know that when it comes down to Asking them in to agree with what they should give to the federation rather than get from the federation it becomes a more Conflicted discussion but I to to like J. P. was struck by the tone The idea that they were all going to hang together I it's not insignificant significant to note though to that Christa Freeland the new deputy prime minister and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs was sounding pretty positive after she's been having thing some rather upbeat meetings with some of the premier's and She was trying to keep that tone up when she responded yesterday to or or her spokespeople responded to the premier saying Ottawa listening Ottawa's open. And we'll see that being said I. I did ask the Prime Minister's Office yesterday whether anything happening at the premier's conference yesterday we would see in the throne speech later this week and I said At these they said probably not. Okay Suchy Crow. What do you make of the way? The premiums tried to present a united front. You Know I. It's like this to shut cheese on this. So the less cynical shut she would say that yes. These are areas where the premier can move the ball because they know that they are priorities for government because government knows that these are priorities for Canadian. So what we're consistently the top issues in the federal election campaign health spending in a one in five Canadian. ADA has trouble accessing primary healthcare whether that's finding a doctor or finding themselves on waiting lists for surgery or for other procedures Pharma Care Plan. Dan Huge win in terms of buyin across the political spectrum conservatives many conservatives like it just as much as those on the left of center and you you know despite JP talks about the coup for Kenny the idea that L. Berta particularly and the western provinces albertans sketch catch. One have been in need of relief in need of recalibration on the equalization front on the economic front is not a new message. So I'm not tremendously surprised to see movement on that now cynical Shijie says that. It's really easy for premieres to come together and present a so called United Front Front and put the onus on Ottawa and really put the ball back in their court. When you're dealing with low hanging fruit you know? The the premiums did not come together to talk about interprovincial provincial trade barriers or labor mobility or sharing delivery of health and education or indeed the carbon tax because those would have been much more fractious conversations right so they knew how to present the United Front. JP just wonder It was called this meeting And he also chaired the meeting and tried to look like Captain Canada. I'm wondering how much you noticed. Sort of a transformation of his Or attempt to transforming his role on the national stage since the election. Yeah Yeah I mean it's been a rocky eighteen months. Since he was first elected is numbers of tanks in the polls here provincially so I think he is trying to present himself as Captain Canada. He you know. Prime Minister and Liberal Party slagged them for the better part of three months basically trying to pin the reelection hopes on him You know making him the foil if you will to their plan and you know he has been fairly gracious. I think he's tried to avoid going after the prime minister going after Liberal Party in those times. But let's not a have any doubts here. He's still very much opposed to the liberal plan. And you know he was the CO hosts at that meeting yesterday and none of the liberal government's priorities were reflected in communicated they produce at the end of that meeting You know he has definitely been a thorn in their side on things like infrastructure and other of dinosaur in the side on things like handguns handguns and all the liberal agenda needs to be they need to work with the provinces and territories to get some of their big election promises. And it's looking like they just don't have a willing group right yeah. There's no way they can get farmer care across the line if they have people like Brian Pallister yesterday pouring cold water on it thing. Forget about a new social program. Let's work with what we got so Doug Doug Ford is definitely still very much part of the resistance if you will. If you'll remember that team this magazine cover on the claims when they had all the conservative minded premiums front and center with that resistance assistance. Banner along the bottom. He's still ringleader in that leading the charge against the Liberals Agenda but he is taking a more conciliatory tone is definitely more cordial cordial than he has been in the past all right Susan given all of all of that and and what you've told us about the PMO's replied the premier's demands. How hard do you think it's going to beef? Prime Minister to smooth over regional divides during the second term in office. Well I think just as there's a Ford two point zero A brand new. Doug Ford there is also brand new. Justin Trudeau You know I I too have a cynical susana an optimistic but let's stay dealing with a bunch of Split personalities here history Algeria and and speaking speaking of Split Personalities It will be interesting to see whether Justin Trudeau two point zero. The post-election humble more more low profile Justin Trudeau That idea sort of infuses the next few months. It's it in two thousand fifteen when Justin true there are many differences between Justin Trudeau. Twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen But the that Justin Trudeau held a first ministers meeting before for he did a throne speech two weeks before This Justin Trudeau was waiting almost two months afterward and he has been meeting with them and talking with them them one on one. But I think you're seeing a slower more deliberative Federal Government a little more more cautious I think what you're going to see from them to is Less identity stuff Less talking about who they dr rather than what they're going to do If you like More verbs fewer nouns in the In the speech from the throne I I I get the sense. That and they've been telegraphing this that the election for everybody was a humbling. Experience and Dat Demeanor is going to be taken to discussions. We'll see how long it lasts. Politics is not for the humble as we know no but But but that is the approach right now look. The word of the last month of this year is going to be collaboration shouting. What do you think Canadians want to see from this new parliament? Well I think they do want to see something of that collaboration if you live anywhere outside of Ontario in this country you're you're quite of the view auto is not listening to your needs your priorities or reflecting. What's important to you? So you know. Susan talks about the reset or or or the new Trudeau in the new Ford. Look these things have to go beyond tone. Certainly it helps to walk back the rhetoric it helps to walk back some of the virtue signaling but ultimately this is a a government that is going to have to walk. It's talk and so that does mean squaring the circle on things such as Bill C sixty nine and that's going to get very thorny because they also so have a pretty motivated committed pro climate change base that Burnham and elected them and we'll maybe not take kindly to seeing that watered watered down at the end of the day. Canadians usually have a pretty positive view or pretty optimistic view of minority parliaments. Insofar so far is they look at it as an opportunity for their own needs and priorities to be met. And you see this with the outcome of this last election. two-thirds thirds say that they're either pleased or neutral about the election outcome. No one's really in a mood to see another election anytime soon so this can be a time. We're both the premiers and the parties and parliament can actually demonstrate that the political class isn't tuned out isn't focused on their their own gamesmanship gamesmanship in does have an opportunity And a motivation to actually work on behalf of Canadians. Let's see again. Whether any of that comes to fruition I think a lot of that has to do with how skillfully Trudeau and his government can manage a minority parliament. We saw in the first term that they didn't necessarily early skillfully handle a majority. Parliament will see. Jp What are you expecting from the throne speech. I think it's the forty third. Parliament will look a lot different than the forty thirty second parliament that we just finished. And I think there's a two pronged approach for the liberal government essay head into this minority governments. There could be an election within eighteen months two years. Who knows but but they have to be thinking they have to be election ready as it is now and I think they're going to be really going after Quebec we saw and how they might make mention of the throne speech? We saw how justin intruder structure to cabinet that time. Many more people from Quebec in prominent positions in an effort to win back those seats that went blocked the last time. If they want to get that majority government back they have to pick up the seats. That went to the book. Like why there's thirty two was during across some cheering Grassi. Off and then each and every day so they put Pablo Rodriguez House leader. He was the heritage minister. I should say now. He's going to be the host leader. He's going to have to deal with the You know a group of contingent. That is very much more Quebec centric. They didn't have that that problem time. They might have to throw a bone here and there to keep them on side. And they do have to smooth over this western illumination thing. That prime minister doesn't WanNA head into another election Russian Dealing with a flare up of something like exit in Alberta Saskatchewan now. I don't think he's been a remarkably improved his standing among western Canadians and win a bunch of feedback but even just to do something throw them a bone. Maybe Change Bill Sixty nine maybe look at alternatives to the oil tanker Bangle. They put in when British Columbia in the last time just to show the rest of Canada that they're sensitive to western Kenyan alien nation that they're on it that they're doing something I think setting Christie it really really up you know. Trudeau's top tenant as deputy prime minister and the lead on. This file does send a message that this will be the focus so they deal with those two issues. I think their mind. They believe that they can drag small right back into majority government of course easier said than done I host of ideas join me on a deep dive into contemporary thought and intellectual history at ideas we explore everything from the roots of totalitarianism to the evolution of Denim. No topic is off limits. Each episode cracks open a concept to see how it's played out over place and time and shows why it still matters today. Subscribe to ideas on the listen APP. Or wherever you catch podcasts now Susan a ah one of the first orders of business in parliament resumes as electing a new speaker and W- that's an important role in a minority government right. Yes it is The the the last speaker. Jeff Regan is running again as is a former liberal caucus chair Anthony Roda And there a AH a number of other Carol Hughes from the The the strange thing is we. We don't know who exactly is renting until tomorrow night at six PM because it's like like negative option billing you are considered a candidate until you pull your name off and some of these new rookies Ninety eight of them may not know that they have to do that. So if if you are the they're listening. MP's were still on the list. Knock your name off. But we're expecting about half a dozen people to run and I'm going to be watching the just the visuals of this. They're going to be interesting. I think people have forgotten that the the first of the last Trudeau government woman true to one point zero. Unusually only had one throne speech. Usually governments have them every couple of years and the last government Their explanation clinician was. Well we had so much in the platform and the first throne speech. We didn't need to do another one But a lot has changed since two thousand fifteen put it mildly And one of them is that center block has been shut down now for a year. So this is GonNa be the first time we see the the speech from the throne being read by Julie Piat who is not Governor General in two thousand fifteen and in the new Senate building which is the old government conference centre which means that. MP's actually have to walk outdoors hours and down the street here in Ottawa. To go and see the throne speech so it's going to be different in in just the visual look of it and it is going to be different. I think very very different from twenty fifteen as I was saying I think in tone I was struck the liberal platform about. How many their promises hinged on help with others including premieres and? I think you're going to hear that will will be a a a strong theme is We'd like to get these things done but we need help from others to do it including the opposition parties. Well let's see I don't want to do at the time. Remaining is just go round the table but about the different leaders. Jp Let's start with you. Andrew shared facing calls from some conservatives to step down. What will he do once? The House is back in session into put those questions to rest. Yeah the stakes are so high for Andrea Sherr over the next five or so months before that leadership review able April. He has to really shore up support and I think he has has to prove he's a formidable opposition leader. Someone who can take on Trudeau head-on If only to make it clear to the party membership that someone someone who can do it next time the next election. He's capable of toppling prime minister I think he was not a terrible opposition leader. I think he really was quite effective on things like essences since the level and he's bloodied them up a bit on that day in and day out of the House of Commons. If we can have a repeat performance he might be able to salvage his reputation among the party base. which you know from everyone? I've been speaking to seeming to turn off in a bit They they've kind of gone off. After the October twenty first election so he has to come out in a very leisurely way and he has to be squarely focused on taking on the prime minister. Not Easy and he's going to be pulled away from the house quite often over the next few months because he's on on these listening tours going out to meet with party members across the country to try and convince them to back him in the leadership review. We're GONNA have in April in Toronto. So it's it'd be a very difficult task for him and if that's if he can hang on. I mean the pressure might build to such a point that untenable for md even stay on as leader but third forty. We've seen more and more voice them for like we have in the last two weeks to call that all right. I do not envy Andrea Sherr jumping in on you. Because we've only got about a minute and a half left and we have two more leaders to go through shots she curl. What will end EP leader Doug? Mitzi need to do to advance. His party's agenda Parliament. He has to look like he is effective in parliament and he has to hope that the troubles of Andrew Scheer can continue although I would say that they're not really just about Andrew sheer the manner. The leader it is more of an existential angst that conservatives take going forward are facing do they want to be the social conservative protests party of Alberta Saskatchewan. Do they want to be more centrist party. Seeing did not end ended up performing as well as he did in two thousand fifteen yet. He has enough personal credibility to probably ride him through if he can look like. He's making making a difference and then for Trudeau and for the liberals there's two things they need to count on the fact that the opposition parties will be preoccupied with their own issues and more than just tone and showing humility. They actually need to show sincerity. Western candidate needs more than just a bone thrown into it. It actually needs to see that it's feeling respect pacers and you only have about thirty seconds left. I'm not going to Elizabeth May. Because she's announced her resignation. But what about capable leader. Ethan's Blanchet clearly clearly the most intriguing and fascinating leader during the election campaign interested. See if that carries on and also interested to see if they're going to be like the Bloc Quebecois allow position was in nineteen ninety-three or so Very civil very effective but the difference between a national separatist party and a separatist separatist separatist party. I'm going to be watching. How do you represent Quebec that way all right? Thank you very much to all three of you looking forward to the resumption of parliament. Thank you you AH JP tasker as a reporter in the parliamentary bureau. He was in Toronto. Susan Delicate is a national columnist bureau chief for the Toronto Star. She was in our Ottawa. 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As the U.S. drilling decline continues, Canada's offshore industry puts Ottawa on the spot
"Welcome to the daily brief. The world oil podcast network daily review of Market News, emerging trends, new technologies and the people who are advancing the oil and gas industry. Here's Cameron Wallace with your top news stories of the day. Hello and welcome to the World Oil Daily podcast. I'm Cameron Wallace and today is Sunday July, the twelfth, and as we start this new week, we have our new recount numbers courtesy of Baker Hughes. Will Wanna discuss and there are some things happening with those recount numbers that sort of flow through the other topics that we want to talk about today, namely Canada's offshore industry. They're taking it upon themselves to fight tooth and nail for their survival, and so we're going to talk about what they are doing specifically and what they want to see. Happen up in Ottawa will cover OPEC, plus and a little bit of whip cracking, going on between old Putin and Mohammed bin Salman finally. We'll take a quick look at what's happening with the Atlantic coast pipeline. There's been some developments there something that will touch on more on Wednesday, but we'll talk a little bit about what's happening with that here on Sunday so to help us get through all this is as always Kurd Abraham editor in chief of Royal magazine so Kurt thanks for being with us today. Well thank you Cameron and this last week. Was something else in terms of certain stories quite a bit of drama played out in several storylines. Yeah, that's for sure. Let's dive right in the new rick. Count is out, thanks to Baker, Hughes and their recount for the US, working rigs stands at two hundred and fifty eight, which is down five from the previous week and Canada. The Rig Count stands twenty six up eight, so the US recount can. Its decline Kurt. Yeah it. This is somewhat concerning in the fact that we thought we were about ready to bomb them out. Apparently, we haven't quite bottomed out yet. Although it is somewhat comforting to know that the losses now are in single digits in double digits, and in some cases, white high double digits. We've made some progress that way, but the bleeding has not stopped completely now looking at some detail in terms of the US count It looks like all the loss was on land. There is no change offshore. That's good. land is to forty six short twelve. The offshore is however slightly under half was at this time last year. However, that's far better than where the land is at which is at about between a quarter and a third of what it was last year, so. not quite bottomed out yet. Now Canada Canada. We have some better news Canada. gained eight this week. Go from eighteen to twenty six, and it's certainly a far cry from where they ought to be at this time of year because last year at this time, the right one, hundred, seventeen versus twenty six now, but considering they were all the way down to about twelve or thirteen They've a old up. Nicely here in the last couple of weeks now and it continue. Nobody really knows. I should mention that you know. We're working on our midyear forecasts. The September issue. We have some early gases as to where activity will wind up for the year, but we don't WanNa talk about that yet, but I can tell you. We'll be noticeable change from last year. Well that's about all. It can be expected these days unfortunately, but the recounted Canada and activity in general in Canada especially offshore is not just being left to chance these days think. Is some pretty exciting stuff going on over there in Saint John's Newfoundland Kurt. You're pretty plugged into in terms of the industry taking things into their own Hanzel, but yeah, they I am constantly amazed and appreciative of the nasty of the folks over in Saint. John's as the province of Newfoundland. at this point really is doing battle with the Federal Regime Ottawa are trying to get some action some support for the offshore industry up there in East Canada, and after giving lip service to it back in May and early June. It's been crickets ever sense a narrow word out of anyone's. Since the last communication was a shot emailed. Note from Prime. Minister Trudeau to to the leadership of the association up there. The Newfoundland and Labrador Oil and Gas Industries Association better known as NOAA or Roy so. Today after a number of other things that have been done. I mean these these folks have absolutely. Kept up the rhetoric here and have been very consistent in pushing their agenda to try to get some help. And so today they sent another note to the Federal Natural Resources. Minister the good shame as a regan. And they sent shameless a note and said Basically we want an answer. We want an answer. In fact, they said at the end of the notes simply put. Please inform our membership now if there will or will not be specific support for the offshore oil and gas industry has indicated months ago, so that pretty much puts him on. Notice will be very interesting to see if he responds. And, that ladies and gentlemen is a Trade Association in action, that is what they're supposed to look like. That's exactly right the the way that they've handled this campaign to try to get federal assistance as it should be a model for a lot of other associations. When they don't seem to know what to do because they've done an outstanding job in trying to get some help. In fact, were impressed enough with the situation up there in the effort that we put an opinion piece and editorial on our website on Thursday and indicated that we thought it was high time that the federal regime up there got action, and if nothing else just like this letter from Neue says today. Either say yes, or say no, but do something. Which? Is the problem. They just haven't done anything yet. This association I mean you can go down a whole list of things they've done. They had a town hall in April. They had a virtual second town hall may fourteenth the Federal. The federal, natural. Resources Minister I should say was at the May. Fourteenth session and said Yeah Yeah. Well I'll take this back and I'll talk to Trudeau and the rest of the cabinet and we'll get some action. Nothing happened onto that there is a letter sent by the Newfoundland and Labrador. Provincial Premier On May, twenty six, pleading for assistance on June, the third neue leadership, the chair and the CEO. They sent a letter to Trudeau reiterating the seriousness of the situation saying we need your support and we need it now. That was June third between June fifteenth and June twenty-ninth in Hawaii released a series of statements from Newfoundland companies, reiterating how important the offshore activity was to the whole provinces economy. On July third. Noyer released another statement saying we're still awaiting promised assistance on July the seventh just last week along with the Canadian Association of Petroleum, producers better known as Cap Noyon issued a joint statement. saying that something needs to be done right now. And they had statements from eighty community and business leaders, calling for federal assistance and investment in the offshore. So these folks have really put up a sustained campaign to get something done, and all it really speaks to. This point is the intransigence of the Trudeau regime. Absolutely as You just pointed out with that list of actions, there is no way that anyone could argue that they have not been fighting for their side and pressing their case and everything they can to get something done and give a Trudeau and the rest of Ottawa a chance to step up and respond and be little proactive, and you know. Take the high road a little bit. There's a there's a way that both sides can win at this and and Neue is doing an expert job of making that as possible as possible for For the folks out there in in charge but Yeah. That's why we put up the editorial because these people deserve some help, they have been a model for what all association should do and It's interesting that we put out our editorial on last. Thursday and then on Friday This additional statement went out putting the. Natural Resources Minister in Ottawa notice, so we will continue to monitor this very closely. There's a lot at stake here because Newfoundland. Labrador represent one of the most prospect offshore regions left worldwide. There's a lot of potential there. It would be a shame for it not to be exploited properly. That's a great point. There is so much future potential in the east coast of Canada from an exploration standpoint that you know that is absolutely worth saving, and you know this little hiccup. Aside it's an exploration. frontier in a stable will run country, which is a luxury in our industry as well so it is up to the industry in general does to stand up and make sure that those opportunities are preserved. But, you know speaking of production, and will their arm twisting, and maybe not so reliable regimes I guess OPEC pluses making some real headway in enforcing these new production cuts they they push through recently. You know it's a funny thing who would have ever believed that we could use the words crackdown, adherents and eliminate. Cheating In the same breath as the word, OPEC but you have to hand to them. They're really tracking down. Notch your who's really at the root of this, although we could take a couple of guesses, but but certainly there is movement afoot here to crack down on members of the coalition that don't deliver as a promise within the current quarter agreement and the latest. Country to be crackdown on his Angola down there in the southern half of Africa. now Angola's that they've sent a letter to OPEC's president, committing to full compliance with the output target as well as additional cutbacks in compensation for earlier cheating, according to an a delegate who asked not to be identified to the wire services, but You know the problem is angle is up with his down considerably Ame they were up over two million barrels a day at one point several years back, and now we're down to what are we about one point four? Somewhere in that neighborhood, and so that's a problem for them. Because so much of their revenue was coming off. The oil production got to wonder how much more they can agree to give in on. Well I think they probably observed the way that Nigeria was handled recently with Mohammed bin some ongoing ahead and getting them on the phone. Literally and telling them they were going to comply, and Jiri had a more compelling case for why they were having trouble complying. They've got some financial challenges of their own at the nation, so they're just working their way down the list. They got Nigerian line and now Angola there anybody. Let's running out of excuses and I think a lot of that has to do with Libya who is an OPEC member, but is not beholden to any of these production cuts, due to the strength that has been racking their nation I guess they are making progress in terms of getting there. The blockade of their ports lifted, and they're getting some tankers in there getting ready to start shipping crude again and that is. No joke because they are. The OPEC production is very finely tuned right now. They've got that. Somewhat, liveable oil price and you know the Libyan wildcard is out there now, and we're seeing it. Impact oil prices, so I'm sure that. No one in OPEC is really thrilled that all their hard work seems to be kind of. At significant risk now that Libya's now. Well! In, reading some of the fine print here on this Angola situation, it's interesting because week before last. The Angolan oil ministers sent a note of to the Algierian. Energy Minister who right now is president of OPEC, they have that rotating presidency and He had only pledged. Country's best efforts to at heard to the quota. Guess that was not enough for the OPEC leadership and they. Do not respond well to that, so there is a follow-up correspondents this last week where they more definitely. Adhering to quotas, so we shall see. After that communicates, said understood. We take best efforts to mean one hundred percent compliance will expect nothing less so. Thanks for thanks for your words. One last thing we wanted to talk about as we're getting ready for this week. You know there's been a lot of action lately. In the US, regarding pipelines and regulations for existing pipelines and. Plan plan pipelines affecting future builds the Atlantic coast pipeline which we touched on a little bit last time is the one that is was meant to service the Marcellus. Shale that has been canceled by the two companies Duke and dominion that we're going to build it and I guess that's going to put. The marcella shows recovery in the same precarious position as the Balkan shells recovery based on what's happening with the Dakota access pipeline. Will that's right and you know they. The partners on the pipeline project they've been working on that for six years already and a lot of time and effort and money had gone into it, and you really hate to see them waste all that effort, but under the circumstances. They just decided it wasn't worth anymore. of of this red tape now interestingly enough. This really directly impacts up Napa Leitch in region, particularly the Marcella shale in getting the output out of the Marcellus Shale has already been a problem. There's a lot of bottlenecks up there, and it really has started to put an artificial limitation on how much gas can be taken out of the region and either use for domestic consumption in the US or indeed converted over into alien. G for. For the global market, and that was one of the big attractions to the Marcellus even when you're the overall oil gas industry was not doing all that well was a fact that here's an opportunity to continue to increase US exports of Ellen G. now you've got both that endanger and and the ability to distribute more gas output to a domestic consumption in the US. Both of those are now. In jeopardy. Yet it's right the premium rather the discount. On Gas, coming out of APPALACHIA is presently around forty cents, but I guess was projected that would increase to over eighty five cents as the bottlenecks get worse and worse than it gets harder and harder to get that gas out of there, so it the knock on effects of this pipeline being canceled are really striking. Touches not just the you know the drillers in the region, but some producers and Consumers here and abroad it's it's amazing that one pipeline can do well there several producers that are. probably impacted more severely than some of the others that would include E. Q. T, cabinet, oil and gas in south Western, energy to name three big ones on another thing to look at his appalachian gas output, probably'll average about thirty two point five BC EPA Day in July according to the Ucla at leaves about another four billion cubic feet per day of spare capacity on the existing pipelines, and that that's all they've got to give, so you could look at output being artificially capped at just under thirty seven BC F Day. That would not be a good thing. I guess that's something we'll have to keep our eye on as me. Going to this week I'm sure we'll hear more about this and I'm also sure we'll hear more about what's happening with the Dakota access pipeline because we learned on Thursday that they're president of energy transfer has decided that you know to appeal the decision at the circuit court level to make him stop production on the line. He is going to go ahead and take orders for the pipeline beyond the period at wish, she was supposed to stop using it, and so that is going to a Federal District Court for appeal, so I'm sure we'll have more on that. When we talk on Wednesday and more drama from from that probably from Canada's well. This is a fast moving topic, so we'll look forward to catching up with all that stuff when we speak on Wednesday Kurt So. No it just one final thought there you have to really give it to the CEO of that firm on enter code access pipeline, because he could just throw in his hands up and say okay, we give in, but no he's got a pretty strong backbone, said Heck No, and continued to operate, and has appealed to the higher court so give him a little applause here as right Kelsey says name and. I suppose after all the grief that he went through that thing built in the first place. He's not gonNA. Walk away that easily. So we'll explore that a little bit further in the coming days, so we'll look forward to have more information to share, and we'll speak Kiro real soon Kurtz. All right, thank you cameron. Thanks for listening to the daily brief on the world oil podcast network. If you have any questions or comments on the program, please email editorial at world, oil, dot, com, and check. The show notes for more information about today's episode. 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