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"We've Needed Something to Bring Us Together"

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"We've Needed Something to Bring Us Together"

"We've needed something that bring us together. You know so badly and everyone is just looking up and smiling at each other and you know it's like like we've needed a little bit of a reminder that the universe is bigger than us. Hey everybody it's wade and that was tomorrow. Avi shy who of course you all know as one of my co founders at hub-and-spoke and as the host of the lonely pallet podcast and as one of the stars of an episode. I made back in two thousand seventeen called shadows of august. This episodes coming to you on january twentieth. Twenty twenty one day. A lot of us have been longing for for a very long. Time and honor inauguration of joseph biden. I wanted to put an episode in the feed. That captures my complex emotions on a day like today when i started putting the show together back in two thousand sixteen before the previous presidential election i had no idea it would wind up being in some ways. It kind of chronicle of the trump ears this was gonna be about the future. You wanted to being a show about us really about how we think about politics and democracy and how we wanna live together and sort of by accident. A lot of those teams swanned up turning up in this episode which climaxes with the big solar eclipse of august of twenty seventeen. I think this is my favorite episode of the show ever actually and it just felt like the one i wanted to put back in your ears on a day like today so please enjoy shadows of august. I'm wade and this is soon. It's start of a new season for the show and to kick things off we've got a new motto. The future is shaped by technology but technology is shaped by us So what do i mean by that. Well when people find out. I'm at technology journalists. They always ask me. What's up with drones or self driving cars or ai. Or augmented reality. They've read the news and they know that these new technologies could really change the way. The world looks in the near future but they feel powerless. Mike happening outside their control. And i don't believe that's true. Technological change isn't something that just happens to us. It's like every other kind of historical change. When you look closely you see that it often starts with a disruptive idea from a scientist or an inventor where company but then it's shaped by thousands of big and small choices made by individuals. Like you and me. So it's important to understand where technology ideas really come from and how we decide to start using them or stop using them. Once we grasp that we can see each choice in the matter and then we can be a little more intentional about the kind of future rebuilding together. That's what the show is about most of the time anyway. That's the sound of a crowd in illinois watching the total solar eclipse that swept across the us on august twenty first. I was in that crowd and for me. Witnessing my first total eclipse shook me to my very core. I thought i knew what to expect. I mean i'd studied the strana me. And i'd seen videos in maps and simulations of eclipses but it turned out. I had no freaking idea how stunning the actual eclipse would be. I've never seen anything so alien and so beautiful so unsettling but also in a way so unifying Obviously it's been a europe disasters here in america not just natural disasters like hurricane but also moral and political disasters like the conflict in charlottesville and the trump administration's ongoing campaign to purge the republic of all decency truth compassion but the eclipse was a respite from all that. If only for a couple of minutes and for me it was the emotional highpoint of a week. Long road trip across america. I kept the kind of audio diary of the trip and today i wanna play tape that i gathered at three very different stops on that journey. I'm going to tell these stories in reverse order. That's partly because they just make more sense that way. But i'm also taking inspiration from assign that i saw at the patterson bill service plaza on the new york state. Thruway one of the restrooms at the patterson ville stop was closed and somebody had put up a handmade sign that said temporarily out of order. I had to laugh because the signs sounded like a title. That philip k dick would give to a science fiction story about a time travel experiment gone haywire anyway. Today's episode is going to be temporarily out of order seeing the eclipse in illinois was actually the first big event trip. But i'm going to tell that story last and before we get there. I'm going to take you to the spot that has more confederate monuments than any other place in america. A hint for you. It's not in the south. And i'm going to visit a town whose very name stands for hope and the future. But it's a place. That's now so depopulated that it has its own entry on a site called the encyclopedia of forlorn places. I said before that it's important for us to think more intentionally about the future right now. We're having a lot of trouble coming together to do that. And as i drove across the country hitting ken states altogether. I can see one of the reasons. We haven't even settled big questions about how we should represent the past or who should have a chance to prosper. In the present. William faulkner's famous line was that the past isn't dead. It isn't even past and sometimes it feels like we have so much unfinished business that will never be able to move onto the future but then along comes something like a hurricane or an eclipse a rare natural event that reminds us that despite our divisions we're passengers on this planet together and we're all part of something much bigger so in the spirit of that epoch spelling accident on the new york state thruway. We'll start with a third of our three acts. Here's act three crossing the picket line. The battles we remember best are the turning points like saratoga waterloo. The psalm midway stalingrad. And in the american civil war the turning point was at gettysburg pennsylvania. that's where confederate general. Robert really tried to crush the union army over three bloody days of fighting on july first second third eighteen sixty three. It's where he failed and that failure was the beginning of the end for the confederate states of america. Now i have a phd in history. My dad's a huge civil war. Buff practically every book ever written on the subject. But i'd never been to gettysburg now. We had a chance to fix that. Since my route to the eclipse zone right through pennsylvania also charlottesville was on my mind on august eleventh of course white nationalists neo. Nazis gathered there to protest the removal of a statue of robert ely and the next day. One man who had marched with the white nationalists drove a car into a crowd of counter protesters and killed an activist named heather higher. So i figured it was a fitting time to visit gettysburg which has so many confederate and union monuments that you can barely turn around without bumping into one. There's probably no place where our cultural memory of the civil war is more concentrated or where the actual meaning of the work gets more excluded by the tales of bravery and slaughter on the battlefield now from watching. Ken burns documentaries. I expected to be impressed by gettysburg. And i was. The battlefields were beautifully mode and manicured and the place was so sunny and peaceful that it was hard to imagine that fifty thousand soldiers were injured or killed here in just three days. I also expected to hear people talking about all the statues and what they symbolize. And kinda did. I just got my car to look at the giant statue of robert lee at a spot called the virginia memorial when a minivan pulled up and a family of six piled out. The dad said you'd better hurry up and take a picture. They might want to tear this thing down. And the mom said yeah. Somebody might be offended. They lined up there four kids in front of the statue and snap their pictures and drove away. I didn't get a chance to ask where they were from but their minivan had connecticut plates. So make of that what you will. But here's what i didn't expect to see. I was reading a plaque about pickett's charge when a group of about forty white guys got off a bus and formed up into a platoon about eight guys wide and five guys. They're marching and coming this way. This'll be interesting station myself here while they marched by him and absolutely. Oh when the staff sergeant guy asked if i wanted to join them said yes because when you're a podcast and stuff like this happens you just go with it but then it gradually dawned on me what we're doing we were recreating pickett's charge the big confederate offensive. On the third day of gettysburg. Twelve thousand soldiers started out. Roughly where the virginia memorial is today and they marched three quarters of a mile across a hayfield for the union line on cemetery ridge taking huge casualties all the way and without knowing it i had signed up to play confederate infantryman recipe. Right all right. Just a few random not really accurate artillery hit and lost twenty guys gone down and they're your guys in this formation but twenty guys in our region three hundred guys on what we're huck the next half hour so we trampled through thick fields of pay and soybean plants and as we went. We were kicking up a big cloud of grasshoppers butterflies. If i squinted could sort of imagine that the bugs were a hail of bullets. I still didn't understand the exact point. Recreating pickett's charge unless it was to take in the insane desperation of the whole thing but as the random human. I felt like i was committed. So i kept marching who pulse range plan decline thrown lost fifty six. He just lost another ten six wounded. At this point you close ranks close in. We have random human services. Doing word was told by the time they leave tech up the rides out. Beat the minero. Go back interleague daydream. He's ryan's out. He says all my folks. My plan failed. Mike won't pose hurt. How we put his hand along. St shoulder says the same thing. Wouldn't you sneak confederates enough. Suffer to defeat loses. Mississippi river lose this one decisive battle. It was going to bring them victory. Would they fight on two more buddy years go to the wilderness campaign spots petersburg apple matters so municipality one other thing the conduct of this formation of going across that field excellent everybody's tripled followed. Harry moans sniffles talked to come in. This game made it. I'm ready for the dreaded. Knock down to money. But right now i think we can take him. Can i ask you what were you to. What is this whole thing. These are company out of various places. So they bring all their executives mid level a top level lower level at some point out to gettysburg to teach him something about leadership. The battlefield becomes a metaphor for things. They should do in their business. You know this what happens here in leadership can be directly put into what these guys do when handle business. Do you run these kinds of leadership exercises as a profession. Or what do you do. I'm an old soldier. So in a historian taught military history of west point so they just. The company asked me to come out and do this with them. Any time i get a chance to get americans out and kind of feel the courage and history of this place I take the opportunity. And your name. Sir james hank kersey. Well thank you sir. I really appreciate your time and this was a lot of fun. Thank you very few humans do that. Your character shows all right all right. Thank you getting back. yeah. I'm going back that way on my long walk back across the battlefield to my car. I had time to think about what had just happened. I was a little angry with myself to be honest for going along with the whole thing even if it was in the name of journalism the other guys in the platoon didn't look like racists and i can buy the idea that the march was designed to teach about leadership not to glorify george pickett or robert e lee or the lost southern 'cause but the truth is if i were black. I probably wouldn't have felt as safe joining up with a group of pretend confederates. And let's face it. It's a little weird that we still talk about confederate generals as if they were great increase leaders. Yeah sure if you were in the infantry that day it took individual courage to follow these. Orders horrifying casualty rate proves that but we still don't talk about as much as what lee and his army were fighting for. To put it bluntly it was the idea that white people should forever have the right to own and buy and sell black people. There's no courage in that idea. There's only prejudice and greed and hate. And that's why confederate monuments in charlottesville and so many other places are finally being taken down the titus slowly turning. It's turning against the idea that it's okay to memorialize era of unchallenged white supremacy and sooner or later that tied may come to gettysburg after charlottesville officials at the national park service said that the confederate monuments at gettysburg arc quote an important part of the cultural landscape on quote and that there are no plans to remove or alter any of them. You can see why the park service would take that position given. That gettysburg is a giant outdoor museum. But i wonder how long they'll be able to stick to it because a good museum doesn't glorify it's artifacts puts them in context and the virginia memorial were pickett's charge began. Isn't there to contextualized anything. It's only to defy robert lee and he's doomed army so yeah somebody might be offended that brings us to act two of our story act to trouble in future city one day this summer during the planning phase from eclipse trip i was looking at the state of illinois on google maps in my i landed on a place i had never heard of. It was called future city. It was just outside cairo. Illinois at the southernmost tip of the state in a little cup of land where the ohio river and mississippi river come together from the satellite view on google maps. I could see eight or so streets and future city arranged in a tight grid but it looked like there weren't any businesses or houses. So right away i had questions. Does anyone live in future city if so who. And what are their lives like. How did it get the name future city and is the place half future or is it just the world's most ironically named ghost town since i make podcast about the future i felt obliged to find out straight than your destination will be on the left. It's quarter to four on the twenty first of august twenty seventeen and i am in future city. So let's drive around a bit okay. This is not uninhabited. Well is the dock dog. I her you okay. I'm down at the end of first avenue. And there is an old abandoned gestation here. Following bruce st around to the back. It's basically like a cow path. Really tall weeds like six feet. On both sides there is the street. Sign for bruce street and fourth avenue. Not terribly busy street. All right continuing down fourth avenue. I think i'm going to park and walk around and see if i can find somebody to talk to me minute to talk. Okay got it looks friendly. Hey this is gonna sound crazy. But i'm a radio yet. And i saw this place on the map called future city suit and i had to stop here to find out what is future city. All about stealing in the future is a city into each only through guys. Have a minute to talk. These two gentlemen were sitting in the shade of a carport with their dog. And the introduce themselves as carl thompson. And larry sloan. They were both retired vietnam veterans. Carl was in the army and leary was in the air force. I asked them why there are so many streets and so few hot in future city that will that will man to build a future future city if what they call it through two cities frozen they thought you build a future hugh you know. It's a winning. Most of the people you had kids. Man had us on average of two. Here's house he could play together noon in and run around and get it all up and that was the future future city. They they future generations. Future city larry. Carl both said that. If i really wanted to know about the history of future city the guy i should talk to you was the mir dennis caldwell and they pointed me toward called wells house about one hundred yards away across a field but before it can head over there. The mir himself came out of the house and gotten his pickup. And carlin larry flagged him down for him bad. He's alive low residents gun with. I'm a radio reporter. And i've been talking with these gentlemen. They've been told me a little bit about the town and they said you're the mirror non bureau would do more than those thing know about. Future city was the lady to the whole folks. Hyundai was martha futures. She's supposed go out to south martha future. I really do you know when this was. I have no idea when this was okay. But this is just what i hear. The old people say met years ago that it was it was named. That's old lady. Come here from other south and they named martha future. Okay and i can't tell the risto 'cause on trud 'cause he was kidding. My grandpa did the research on it. I don't know whether it was true. Or what like a cousin or a sister. Hey i didn't get into you know. Is there like a historical society in cairo or in a library So we're right on main street. Maybe i could find out there and Have you lived here all your life but twenty thirty years. Thirty years How'd you choose to live here in future city. My wife are yeah is this is number. Houses their heels about Actually it was about four five hundred families. Four five hundred it was this ruled out here. Fifty one to one going through used to sit back this away but it's gone arrows houses all out there. This is back in the sixties. Sixty seven sixty eight. That's when they start building that ruled over the road and it was that the beginning of the decline of the town. Or i mean i. I don't mean to town when the civil rights started in the back in the sixty one. That's one of the town started going now. Why what was the connection there. Racism they don't want to hire black into the stores and things there is back then so do people pick up and leave kicked. Well a lot of people the business you know. They went out of business. There's no business. How many families do you think. Live here now. Two four six about nine travelers. so that's like less than a tenth of the population right. Shiloh baptist church over there. Is that still active. The churchill that on roll. Yeah his it used to set across the route that was those concrete boroughs set net. They moved it why this one row come through. That road really moving. The road disrupted everything they really did. It was it was proper place reaches all right. Thank you mr call. Well i appreciate it good to meet you. Thanks man is great talking to you after those interviews andro south into carro to visit the public library and see what i could find out about martha future. It turned out that the library was closed that day but after driving around town i finally understood future cities geographical predicament. Carro is surrounded by a system of extremely high levees and floodwalls from the north into the city through a tunnel that cuts through one of those walls. The city can close off the tunnel during flood by lowering and eighty ton. Steel slab called the big subway gate and future city sits right outside the gate right. Well the problem with it is it does flood it gets what we call seep water out there and does fled the residences and has flooded before when the rivers were high and when the rivers start going down. This land becomes Inundated with floodwater. That's monica smith. The director of the carro public library and so it it has moved. Many people out used to some of the houses were even on stilts out there and But it's just been it's hard to maneuver you can't get in and out you have to have a boat and different things and so the people have just You know had decided. It wasn't really worth it. You know. I called up smith after my trip mainly to ask if she could find any information about martha future or if not then how did the place the name future city one of the reasons is because there was no place for pure to go. They were surrounded by rivers and so they thought that that would be the future of the city But then digging further. I find that it was actually owned by gentleman named shoe trail to be specific. Smith said she found some newspaper clippings about a landowner named will trowel and he and another Landowner had purchased all the lots out there. And we're selling those lots At a very nominal fee for one hundred dollars a lot to get people to move there and Over the years it no one could pronounce his name because it was kind of a hard thing to pronounce and so they use the southern pronunciation and started to call it a future city instead of free. She sits which is kind of hard to say. So that's about all. I really found on. Okay well you completely answered my question. And i am so grateful. Thank you so much more than welcome. So maybe martha future was related. Somehow to will travel. Or maybe that whole martha stewart. Dennis caldwell heard from the town. Elders was just an urban legend but caldwell was right about one thing and that was the mark that the racial conflicts of the nineteen sixties left on kiro and a surroundings. The civil war turned carol into a busy port city and by nineteen twenty. The census bureau counted fifteen thousand residents but by nineteen sixty. The economy was reeling from a decline in river and rail traffic and the population had dropped by. Nearly half things got really tough. Starting in nineteen sixty seven when black residents rose up to protest police brutality and economic discrimination riots. fires ravaged the city in the businesses. That closed never reopened. As i drove around kiro. I could see that big chunks of the downtown are still empty and abandoned at the south end of town. I saw giant white billboard that welcomes people to historic karaoke. But it looked like it hadn't been repainted in decades. The nfl census bureau estimate that the city's population today is just twenty. Four hundred in place built for six times. That number if future city has a future it's tied to caros. Unfortunately the floodwall doesn't keep out bad news. I'm not sure whether to believe the martha future story. Where the wells story. But either way. There's some comfort in the idea that this unlucky place was named after a person. Because that's a little less heartbreaking then the idea that it was named for a dream is the idol pain is the demos playground here liver city when the capital with the united stand for plu trauma for sitting to keep the young ones more will after school. Finally we've arrived at one in out of order episode. Act one total eclipse plus simart. If you're a fan of the show you may remember. I guest from episode three tomorrow. Avi shy she's the host of a wonderful ripping and luminous podcast about art history called the lonely palate. She and i are actually cooking up. Something new that will tell you about a future episode. But in early august i found out that tomorrow and her husband evan were also going illinois to see the eclipse so we agreed to text each other when we got there and try to meet up somewhere near carbondale now as it turned out the place with the eclipse with last the longest was actually a tiny town. South of carbondale called mechanica. It's so small out of the way that there isn't even a cellular signal. That's where we all met. I'm gonna play some tape from canada and you'll meet a bunch of interesting people you also get a sense of what a carnival the whole thing was and when the clip starts you'll hear everyone totally freaking out but i just want to preface all of it with this no recording can capture the splendor clips the only way to grasp the howling cosmic weirdness of it all is to see one yourself before august. Twenty first i didn't understand why some people become lifelong eclipse chasers. Now i do okay. It's ten past ten. And i m in mechanica illinois where my conduct all find out soon from the locals and the candidate is really not much more than a bridge railway station and a downtown. That's about three buildings along. I'm gonna walk over there in a minute. See if i can talk to some people. Do you mind if we talk for a second. As long as i've got time that's yet so could you introduce yourself just quickly. I'm pam from pb and j. I'm the pin pb and j. and what's pb and j. Pam jackets a little. Junk store. oh this isn't junk elliott is. It's good junk but it's junk it's all junk how's business today. It's amazing absolutely amazing. Just like your biggest ever I don't know yet. it hasn't happened but it it's looking like it could be just quickly. How many people live kinda macondo. How do you pronounce it. First of all mechanica. We're not fancy or canada and it depends on which side you come into town from if you come in from fifty one it says we have six hundred if you come in from the park it says four fifty which few believe the four fifty people out there in rural canned but we never see them much pam and good luck today. Need them all. Can i sing a little song. I'm a song and dan absolutely. Please do. God bless you. China a guy big mouth up. Don't you I'm an audio producer. I never say no to people who wanna talk saying. Oh that's fun to see the eclipse duck. Oh sure sure. I mean you know. This is my last opportunity. I will probably won't be around for the next one. We seven years away. I'm a smoker drinker. Shouldn't be long now. Are you here with some of the craftspeople here. Yes actually the owner of the shop suffering rainmaker. Yeah exactly owned by david dardis. Who's been on getting national exposure on tv hence the line. What is this line. Represent the center of the total eclipse. Serious i am serious. They had survey or come and they decided this is the the line orange line painted down the asphalt here and even continue up the wall on the sign. Even the nd in mechanic is in orange indeed so this is the line where the zona totality will last the longest absolutely. That's that's pretty remarkable. How you were there as well as us. I'm standing right on it. You are biscuit and you're doing peanut basis here. My right yes. I'm painting faces here. I have fun and make little money. And it spreads joy amongst people they liked it and What brings you to mcandrew today friends. I known the guys down here for forty years. So i just wanted to come hang out and get funky and cosmic with them and maybe do a little business. Yeah we needed here way. Do we have all had our hopes up for this. You know It's been very busy. We actually add. Stop serving breakfast for a while because the biscuits gravy kept going but it's been very helpful in today is actually our one year so it's been very successful cook. I just noticed that there's a flag outside of the rainmaker studio. That's says united federation of planets. I'm gonna walk around the back and see if i can find the line new running away ll stories or do you have a story. Yeah today is me and my wife's th wedding anniversary. Congratulations if i would have been betting guy or something like that and you said i'll give you like one thousand one that there's an eclipse three years today. Where you're where you're married right here under the altar. I would have said no. I won't take that bet but it happened. I would have been rich. Lloyd's the sun. I cannot verify this. Just lee announced the rubers again word okay. It's twelve eighteen and eclipse is like Twenty percent was to swing through the crowd. And see if i can find tomorrow at cranston high. I thought it would feel more commercialized. I feel like. I imagine that people would be taking advantage of it too much. And it's like everyone around here is just like there is a van that said classes lasts five dollars and he just was like basically kind of like tossing them like out the window. He was just giving them away for free and i ended up five bucks anyway. Because it's like this is for you know. I mean we wanted the so badly. Thank you for providing the service but other than that. It's just like everybody is just like we've needed something. Bring us together. You know so badly and everyone is just looking up and smiling at each other and you know it's like like we've needed a little bit of a reminder that the universe is bigger than us that is so well put and the nice thing about there being No service because there is no service no one is looking at their phones and know it feels a little What's the word kind of medieval it's like everybody has to look up and talk to each other and everybody has to like. I was walking around here yelling. Wait like yelling your name to find you because i knew that was the only way that that would happen if that happened. So you know it's like it feels. It feels connective to a before us. I've gotten some amazing interviews today from all sorts of people and they're all just like half out of their minds just crazy. It's one of those days carnival it's a carnival. That's what it is feeling out of my mind too. I feel like. I'm on the verge of tears like just walking around and seeing everybody united for this thing and then you you know you put the clips lasts on and you look up. And it's like it's it's happening. It's like childbirth. It's like it's happening whether you like it or not. Evan has gone. Good how are you. This is my brother. jason jason. My mother high wade into it. Nice to meet you you. I'm wade kelly kelly. It's good to meet all of you. Hi it's so amazing. Like i can't believe this is actually happening right now. You know like oh yeah it's gonna get dark and like a little less than an hour. Nobody told me your name. What's your name again genevieve. What's your name. They the a great names silly called. 'cause like dumb moon is covering up dust sign because like when you think about how big the sun is like. Compared to our earth the sun is like humongous and then compared to our moon. Like that's like crazy like it's like. Yeah it's amazing that this like this little like rock is like blocking out the sun like the moon to like the moon is ours. Like our little buddy who's sticks by us and every now and then gets this moment in the sun like this time to really kind of show us what it's made of man you know. It just goes back to being being the beautiful kind of you know ocean pulling earth. Mother imaginative like all guys. I know there's iceberg. It feels like the world is like like the atmosphere's put on some sunglasses or something like the atmosphere's just like the giant camera with a filter on it or something like that. That's what it feels like right now. Like what what also makes this really cool is that there is no way to capture it other than to. Just be there to feel everything. Get dimmer you just have to be here. It's amazing so we're full daylight and it feels like it's almost getting dimmer and dimmer but not like night and there isn't a cloud anywhere near the son. We are totally golden glasses. If you look inside there does they're going. it's going only god can't believe my god. It's beautiful expected i want. I want to describe this. But you can't can't is amazing. You hear them Insect starting up. Yes they are. They're going to be disappointed. Airbags the ones that don't have the internal clocks so like you know the those early dumbo god and just the beautiful raise coming out around it. Edible like direct. Yeah like when kids draw what a son looks like. You never actually get to see that right outside the goal fighter. Ninety you can. It's starting to Wow and sun comes back out and the light comes back up and the whole town reemerges hermit cookies and suddenly. It seems brighter than it was before. Yeah going faster. It was so it didn't take long at all for it to get light again because right now like like it was so also i survived. Total solar eclipse took. Can't be the twenty seventeen. Congratulations i think we all survive. See now everyone is over it even though the trying to get our town still. You know mostly excluded by the shadow. But it's like you know we've seen what it can be We were both struck that it was smaller in the sky been we thought it would be and that it. It didn't necessarily to me at least feel like this huge transcendent experience but it was beautiful. It was just you know just one of the most beautiful things you can see in the sky even though it wasn't huge and the sky is something that we all think we know pretty well and it's just rare for something to be different in and it takes something enormous for it to be different that i can see why people try to have this experience as much as they can. It was both shorter and longer than i expected. Two and a half minutes. I felt like a long time like we could just look at it forever. And it was jus- glittering there and it was way more beautiful than precise and crystalline and alive than i expected. I was completely overcome. Which everybody says. That's what's gonna happen to you and you just can't really understand or explain until happens. There's ice cream being plots. Truly best day Which is written and produced by me wade rash. The show steam is by graham gordon. Ramsay additional music. This week by tim beek and lee rosier. You can find and follow the show on apple podcasts. Google play music stitcher tune in radio public overcast. Or wherever you get your pockets you can follow and like the show on facebook. And i tweet about the show at suny podcast. If you enjoy soon ish it really helps when you leave a rating and review on apple. Podcasts that truly does raise the odds that other smart listeners. Like you will find the show. Soon is a proud member at the pierre x. Podcast garage a community recording studio and workspace in allston massachusetts for more information go to podcast garage dot work and our website sooners. Podcast dot org. You'll find more information about all the people in places in this episode as well as our music playlist and a page where you can sign up for our free email newsletter signals from also posted my eclipse video from canada. And i have to tell you. It's kind of awesome especial. Thanks this week to kip clark. Mark polansky daniels. Inkers carl thompson. Larry snowed dennis. Caldwell monica smith carro public library the intrepid citizens of mechanical annoy and of course tomorrow avi shy and her whole family. Thanks also to our sponsor. Kent rassmussen winery in their purely poetic pinot noir and thank you for listening. I'll be back with new episode soon. Which sears to the corona alive and there you got yourself into cleanse

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Woodstock At 50: The Unheard Recordings

"Prep your music. You connected to also considered. I'm Bob Boylan for the past fourteen years producer. Andy Zax has been digging into the music and sounds of Woodstock. He found audio clips like this stage announcement from Muskrat. One of the stagehands at the festival music was a magic throngs at Woodstock Music and art there towers neither stage loudspeakers three hundred thousand at folk rock bear camp out in the Sea of mud. Ah Dig it dig it all in all man. It says that you've been pretty groovy man. You've been doing a movie scene out here. Our gotTa thank you for your being being very beautiful. You're making show now fifty years after woodstock all thirty two performances the audio announcements the entirety of this this three day festival in upstate New York is about to be released by Rhino records in thirty eight disc box titled Woodstock Back To the Garden Definitive Definitive Fiftieth Anniversary archive is also a ten CD collection of Blu Ray disc. The audio has been meticulously remixed to more accurately represent what the nearly nearly half a million people who were there at woodstock experienced minus the mud and the drugs for those who weren't at the festival the original nineteen seventy film and in triple L._P.. That came out represents. The Woodstock experience careers were made by being part of that documentary album and film think Joe Cocker Richie Havens Santana crosby stills Nash but there are many whose absence from the film and the album basically erased them from the history of what we think of as Woodstock Andy Zax came to the N._p._r.. Studios to play some of the music and talk about the history of this culturally altering festival everybody who got to this stuff before me had mostly been interested in in cutting it up into little pieces for record or soundtrack or compilation some kind of ancillary use. Nobody was really interested in woodstock as a kind of a duration UIL event. I think if you if you argued to in favor of that to somebody in like nineteen seventy-one they would have locked you up. Why would anybody want to hear that but that stuff is actually really fascinating? I have argued and continue to argue and now people can actually hear it and argue back at me that this really is the most fascinating immersive way to hear and understand woodstock finally now that it's all kind of assembled into this huge long long piece of of sound art that runs for thirty six hours. I wasn't totally sure that that was going to be the case it wasn't that wasn't really something on my radar either when I began belonging king. was there a pivotal moment where where that was in. I love to hear an example of something. There was tangible. Obviously you've seen the movie you didn't. You've probably five years old. There's something when the festival itself happened weren't there but so tell me something from that standpoint that surprised you. Let's listen to birth summer. Bert Sommer was the third performer at Woodstock he was in New York based singer Songwriter and he had done some writing <hes> for band called the vagrants <hes> that featured Leslie West about all. I knew about Bert Summer when we when we put up the Mall Travis performance was that <hes> I knew about the vagrants and I knew he had sung on one or two tracks by the Left Bank Ivy Ivy <hes> is one and that's really all I knew he was just a mysterious name to me and it was another it was another name on a tape box and it was something that was part of Woodstock. So therefore I was going to listen to it and then we put it on this sounds a Simon and Garfunkel. Did this book aims Garfunkel Finns. It's called America to let us speed lovers. Will we afford chance to give got so real estate in my so we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs Willigness Power Lee Jae Looks for Kathy Asaid as we voted for you shook in seems like a dream shimmying in China from four America I can imagine hearing the song here in the words of the song and being in that space in Woodstock looking around at the people the culture which changing so rapidly than really impactful song maybe counting the cars cars on the New York state thruway might have been the better lined in the New Jersey turnpike that is get song later but it would have fit yeah and he's playing this just as the sun on us going down on the first night so it it must've felt dramatic really dramatic at that point is a three day festival. You know they didn't expect quite the the number of people due to come did come how many people would have been there that first night. People started arriving day or two before several days before are actually and <hes> you know there's a there was a famous discussion that went down where they were trying to figure out well. How can we chase all these people out so that we can let them back in for tickets for the fences and he romney <hes> who was not quite yet known as Wavy gravy who had been brought in <hes> with the hog farm commune to kind of be the the so-called peaceforce Kinda famously said to the promoters? Do you want a good movie or bad movie <hes> and I think they thought about that and decided that they wanted a good movie. Not just a good Michael Wadleigh movie metaphorically a good movie meaning. They didn't WANNA see people being shoved out of the spaces spaces and all that stuff this was dispirit of this thing was all about as it was advertised pose at three days of peace and it is a great he's as love music yeah so it would have been an extremely aquarian note right there at the very beginning that that might have precipitated all manner of bad vibes lives so that decision was made pretty early on that this was going to be a free concert that the tickets really weren't going to be taken that if you showed up you were coming in so allegedly and I believe it that was the first Song Woodstock that received a standing ovation who <hes> and you can you can kind of understand y. It's a great performance. The timing is right. The the lighting must have been perfect it fit disputable but no one was amazing. Things things about this monster box is that there are many things that happened that would have made many people famous who warned heard because they didn't for whatever reason didn't didn't make the final cut of the film or the three disc album or whatever at the time but summers one of them right the original the movie and the soundtrack kind of wrote the story of Woodstock in the public imagination everything we think about as being kind of a canonical woodstock moment is a moment this in the movie and on the soundtrack soundtrack and so in a sense if you weren't featured there you were written out of history and Bert Summer was written out of History Crete's clearwater revival played woodstock. I don't remember knowing that yeah. A lot of people don't know that because again they weren't in the movie and they weren't on the soundtrack and so therefore it might as well not even have happened and they were on fire in Nineteen sixty-nine. I mean they put out so what like three albums in the course of what eighteen months or something something like that maybe even a little faster than Nah no. They were absolutely you know one of they were at a peak both artistically and commercially. We're headed it happen. How do they not get hurt? I get cut it's amazing they show up at Woodstock and they play the set and I I often kind of say jokingly but not entirely that they were kind of like the ramones of Woodstock they show up and they blast through ten songs in about forty five fifteen minutes and then they are gone and it's breathless. It's an incredible performance. Let's hear some comeback talk sure <hes> here Suzie Q.. All right sued sue sue the wall into shoe yeah <music> the chew readers true I. I can't believe this didn't it didn't come out in one thousand nine hundred seventy win the soundtracks and everything else came out. It sounds great and what what I hear is fogarty already. John Fogerty wasn't happy about this happening at one in the morning. FOGARTY's not the only person who played at Woodstock who didn't really have a comfortable experience there just just on a human level <hes> famously Pete Townsend Roger Daltry have had the same criticisms about woodstock for years that it was a miserable terrible rebel thing and you know I have no doubt that if you're a performer sitting around waiting for hours and it was damp and muddy and everybody was dosed on stuff and and you just kind of wanted to play your set and do your the job and go home and you couldn't that yeah that might not be the greatest evening of your entire life as a performer but nevertheless people have had a hard time separating separating out that this feeling of discomfort from the absolutely spectacular performances that that got given either maybe in spite of that discomfort maybe eighty people were just channeling their angst but but yeah the Koreans performances is stellar it it's one of the absolute highlights of Woodstock and it remained unheard for decades and this sounded. I'm hearing here you. This is a lot better than anything that I remember hearing on my vinyl record record back in one thousand nine hundred seventy and it sounds really different. The tone is different and granted. I never heard the credence set but the whole atmosphere of it is different. Explain to me what's going on. What was what is the difference for me? Sure well. The original the original folks that touched the woodstock audio which is basically the post production crew for the documentary <hes> and the that original triple album soundtrack was extracted from from that work so the audio basically matches on those two things they had different concerns than what I had they. I think were clearly concerned with the idea that there were imperfections in this audio that there were amplifiers fire's make noise a helicopter flies overhead you can hear footsteps or somebody crashing into a microphone stand or a conversation going on in the background and for whatever reason they viewed viewed that as anathema something that just had to be removed had to be gotten rid even though it's a documentary right and so the set of tools that you could use used to deal with stuff like that in nineteen sixty nine seventy was pretty limited and so what Rolled off a lot of the base and they mixed everything very tight. It's not a wide stereo image at all. It's quite narrow. It sort of reminds me of like an A._M.. Radio and that's it's about how much fidelity it has so this is when I first started touching the woodstock tapes listening through the stuff. I was apprehensive because I thought what if it all sounds as crazy as says that record sounds maybe there isn't really anything here for me at all. There may not be much to do with this stuff but that wasn't the case and so my thought about this is exactly exactly a hundred and eighty degrees opposite of the way that stuff was made my feeling is that we're all adults and we all can understand that there's a trade off between imperfection Shen and sound quality and if you don't try to cover up defects or flaws or you know or as I think of them like actual real moments that make woodstock sound sound like woodstock and that really is kind of what gives the whole the whole thing it's flavor and definition. If you don't try to excise all of that stuff you can actually mix it with full old dynamics and green sound and occasionally you might hear an amplifier Mako squawking noise so to me that's the easiest tradeoff of all time and that's that's why it sounds like this and that would be more realistic in terms of what the audience heard absolutely hopefully it's almost exactly what the audience heard or very close to it. We actually mixed mixed with a ton of photo references so that where people are placed in the mix generally corresponds to just about where they were on stage so <hes> Brian Line key huma engineer and I were pretty obsessive about this and we dug through all kinds of stuff just because we were very concerned that we wanted to get all of this right and we wanted to sound sound as close as we could to actually being there. I love your obsessive nece. Let's keep going one of the fascinating things things about this box and some of those things became famous in the movie and suffer lookout for the Brown acid and denouncements that came over from chipmunk and from <hes> John Morris and John Moores you unearthed well everything basically yeah <hes> play me a moment that will give folks a sense of being in that audience audience a perfect woodstock moment okay so here's a perfect woodstock moment and what's really interesting about it beyond its perfect. Woodstock nece is is that it's something that has inserted itself into the D._N._A.. Of every concert audience that has ever existed after this woodstock moment and three bird heard. Wasn't it withstood this before free bird but but it's close this is this is this is right up there with free bird. I'm going to embarrass somebody publicly for a minute Josh Y to the Joshua sure light. Show reminded me that last year when we were in Philadelphia on July fourth tiny tim came out on stage and did something none of us ever thought would happen. Let's see if we can do it again. Dan Everybody in the audience pull out a match and light it up. Let's see how bright it can be. Maybe that's only for Philadelphia with modest have more matches there. Oh that's it wow hey look around at that pre bic lighter the that's it pre pre iphone five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve matches. Apparently I had not gotten soggy yet from no it was still the first night and actually in the first the first rainstorm was about an hour to an hour and a half in the future so close not quite but but yes so there's there's the vector from tiny tim in a small club in Philadelphia to John Morris on stage at Woodstock in front of several hundred thousand people in nineteen sixty nine to you and me and anybody who's gone to a large concert since who's gone through that whole ritual of let's let's light up stuff and look at it. It all comes comes from there. That's beautiful the number of people there because I I always say hundreds of thousands but what is the yeah you who knows does the estimates fluctuate but I think it's safe to say that by mid afternoon on Sunday which is day three probably sometime around on between when Joe Cocker played and through that afternoon to about ten years after played there were probably about four hundred and fifty thousand people there. Maybe five five hundred thousand but somewhere in that range the first night there were probably people were still straggling in New York state thruway was closed man as Arlo Guthrie told us so <hes> it hadn't peaked Seattle by the time Jimi Hendrix played on Monday morning. Everybody had gone home so nobody actually saw Jimi Hendrix until they saw the movie. One of the things I did recently was watched and I saw the film when it came out hadn't seen it since went watched the version of the film without now which is an extended version of the film that I I saw and what I didn't remember in this could be memory or or you crack me but the WHO set this extraordinary and what I realize it gets like six in the morning five in the morning about that happened. I you look at the schedule and people are playing to Janice Joplin three four in the morning who who'd five Jefferson airplane at six. Why did that happen and then there's holes in the daytime that nobody's laying here <hes> the main thing you have have to think about? I wish there was some amazing conspiratorial answer. I could give you about this but the main answer really is that you have to understand that it was chaos and you know they were out out in the middle of nowhere they're on a dairy farm in a field with with weird electricity and rain and all kinds of other things that maybe hadn't adequately been prepared for although they had some very competent people trying to prepare for all of this stuff but nevertheless the show ran behind I mean there were all kinds of reasons why they had built what was at the time a pretty inventive inventive rotating stage that was actually designed to speed up acts you the idea was that you'd have you'd have the act that was playing at the front of the stage and you'd be setting up the act that was gonNA play next in back of them and then when the first act finished you rotate the thing around Presto you'd be you'd be done except that that failed almost immediately lately they could barely get it to work. There's a couple of instances on the tapes where you can actually hear it sounds like people in like some old like Sandal epics. I'm Steve Have Reeves movie where there's like five hundred people all going and you hear this crunching grinding noise and the the stuff kind of moves two inches and so it became came obvious pretty quickly that that wasn't gonna fly and so that caused a lot of delay and so by the time Saturday night rolled around yeah I mean the climax of Saturday night was supposed to be sly and the WHO and and the Jefferson Airplane and so the WHO made it on stage just about five in the morning. Let's hear something from that set ensure ordinary yeah. Let's go right to the end. The the the ridiculously loud and destructive version of my generation that just climax is the whole thing <music> and ghetto. I know it sir yeah the what what about Sir. Can you just move it ahead to blow up and you get to do a little description here so this is several minutes later. This is the climax of the WHO set and it's it's just climactic as any who said of the period they're kind of. There's this long sort of jam after my generation that turns into this this thing we're hearing now where basically they're smashing things. Instruments are great game. They're they're making the biggest loudest most climactic racket they know how to make and they were so they were good at this and they did not disappoint yeah. uh-huh it's the calm before the storm right there <music> <music> banging guitar on the stage <music> would have what did he say something or something like that. They're still not quite done yet. The uh-huh and if I remember right and Pete Townsend walks to the foot of the stage holding this beautiful beaten guitar and tosses it into the audience yeah. It's an amazing gesture isn't that I. I don't know if if anyone knows what happened to that guitar but I thought I'd ask you if you happen to know I believe I believe they got it back O._K.. I'm not one hundred percent certain but it does have that fact somewhere in my head beautiful moment. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back with more woodstock. Fiftieth Anniversary and you're listening to all songs considered from N._P._R.. Music support support for this podcast and the following message come from blue creators of the YETI microphone ready to record that song start a podcast or launch. Your Youtube Channel Blue is here to help. Can you tell your story and build your audience. visit blue designs dot com slash N._p._R.. For special pricing raise your voice with blue support also comes from from the jump a new mail chimp original podcast listen as host Shirley Manson sits down with some of the most influential musicians of the last two decades including a big boy perfume genius and Courtney Love to discuss the song that represents their artistic moments of truth and the impact that song had on both their And then the airplane show up and it's kind of an amazing moment because they'd been waiting even longer than the WHO to go on they were six six and a half hours passed what they thought was going to be their their star point and they play a really long set they play for two two and a half hours and what's really interesting about the beginning of the airplanes set. It is the beginning of the song. They played hundreds of times. They played it throughout their entire life. As a band that was a staple of their live sets the other side of this life Fred Neil Song Song and if you listen back every other version of the other side of this life that they ever played is taken at a pretty slow deliberate kind of Loping pace attended to be sort of a kind of a relaxed jam vehicle for them live but not the woodstock version because at Woodstock. They're so excited. They're ready to go. They've been cooped up for hours just kind of waiting for this moment and now they're kind of like horses escaping the stable and just just just bolting so the version of other side of this life that they played woodstock doc is it's incredibly exciting. They play it like it's three or four times faster than any version of it they ever played before and it's intense matere. It trends you have seen the heavy gouves. Now you will see morning. Maniac music believe me yeah it's a new dawn the Regular Regular Guy's Nicky Hopkins mm-hmm and the never hear Gracie yeah no we're. We're like we're a couple minutes in and it's just this it goes on for about eight minutes and it's like you said it's a two hour set. It's insane right now. There's there's like there's a twenty five minute version of wooden ships twenty two minutes I think among other things and while they they came to play whereas the saying goes ah one thing I would say the sound of that is is that that's kind of a classic example of something that the people in Nineteen Sixty nine seventy working on the movie sound would have rejected out of hand as as being not something they wanted to use. I mean yeah. It's a wash in distortion but but that's what makes it great. I have to say someone who was growing up in that time period. How is thrilling really life in the early. Sixties was very clean precise like the reason that was long hair and people look straggly. Draggli was a rebellion against the suit and tie and everything else to cast is what we wanted. We wanted something different and it was an act of rebellion and just as as punk was eight years later. It all was striking blow to the commercial world. I think that's right and woodstock. Woodstock was was a kind of a chaos and people took it in stride. You know think about the gap think about just that time gap we just heard from the end of the WHO total apocalyptic noise and then the airplane just this giant rush of sound. That's all in fifteen minutes. I watched the film in Prep in addition to listening to a bunch of but not all thirty the eight <hes> discs and I saw the mess that would stock was right. I mean in some one point in the movie. There's a woman that breaks down in tears. Here's crying. She just doesn't want to be but for the most part everybody's in it together and it was beautiful and the press coverage and the people who lived in the towns and speaking well of the quote unquote for kids that were coming through if woodstock happened as the way it happened in twenty nineteen. I don't think the press would have been as kind ain't no because it would be would be experiencing it in real time on instagram and on twitter and so every image of mud or dirt or something unpleasant or just any kind of conflict would would be amplified nine billion fold in thirty seven seconds and so that would be the overwhelming secondhand experience of it if if something like that was happening today and do you think having now listened to the every single performance in every moment that was captured on a microphone. Do you think the portrait was painted of the festival granted you weren't there painted an accurate picture or painted a picture that was culturally <hes> desired tired yeah. I think that's a that's a really good way to phrase it. Michael Wadleigh film has a real razzle-dazzle sense to it. It is for all of its sort of counterculture drag. It is a very show Biz kind of movie but it's a brilliant movie and it really brilliantly showcases a lot of what that I it's a sort of a self flattering characterization of that generation to a certain degree. I think it really does amplify what the parts of that event that made people feel good <hes> and that's not a criticism of the film it's a spectacular piece of filmmaking but it does have that underlying ethos it does kind of for better or worse yield that impression. Russian and that's maybe not all of woodstock in fact. That's definitely not all of Woodstock so a lot of my concern in working through all of this material Israel was trying to present things in the most sort of accurate and I guess to a certain degree dispassionate way that I could even though I'm really passionate about this stuff but I want people to kind of hear this in a sort of a baseline way so that when we go forward because we all seem to culturally agree that something happened here and it's worth discussing housing. It's worth thinking about so if we're going to continue to have a conversation about it. I feel like we should at least all be able to kind of get together and agree on a generally accepted did series of facts about what happened. Could you do a quick thing. Read me the list of all performances everybody who played in order of Halley planning okay in chronological order and if you care to every once in a while I'll say two in the morning. Just give me a sense of like Shir happy fun. Okay <hes> Richie Havens sweetwater birt's summer Tim Harden Ravi Shankar playing in the middle of a violent rainstorm that erupted in the middle of his set melanie went on after the incredible string band declined tend to perform because it was wet Arlo Guthrie Joan Baez sometime around four in the morning quill I band on the second day country Joe McDonald Santana Tanna John Sebastian the Keith Hartley banned the incredible string band replaced from the the previous evening at a at a somewhat less opportune time slot for them can't cheat mountain the grateful dead Creedence clearwater revival Janice Joplin sly and the family stone the WHO now. We're at five in the morning. Jefferson airplane six thirty in the morning <hes> Joe Cocker. That's after lunch on the third day <hes> and then the gigantic thunderstorm corrupts the big the really big one RUPP's thirty seconds after he finishes his set country. Joe and the fish picked up the pieces a few hours later ten years after the band Johnny winner blood sweat and tears crosby stills Nash and young. This is where we're really late again. Now this is this is two or three in the morning on Sunday or or technically Monday who now were after we're. We're into extra innings. At this point. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band Shawna this is Monday morning now and and Jimmy Hendrix finally on <hes> on the middle of a Monday morning after all kinds of people had left to go back to school or work or they were hungry or they had hypothermia or are they just needed to leave. One of the most famous sets of music played in front of what I always imagine because the way the film was cut <hes> to be a massive audience there is one shot where you see kind of empty but then there's other shots where it's full of people and you hear his music and so I always thought he played in front of a ton of people but were most people con. Jimi Hendrix played navy. There's fifteen twenty five thousand people thirty at most maybe but but think about anybody who's seen the movie knows the sort of the Catharsis that that performance of the Star spangled banner provides when you get to who at the end of the film it really is just the summation of this whole thing and it's an extraordinary moment but it's an extraordinary moment that we only know really through that movie not one of my favorite bands on the planet but certainly massively popular at the time that were not in the movie soundtrack and I didn't even really realize they played was blood sweat and tears yeah not a historical favorite of mine either although I've grown to appreciate them a bit from having worked on their set yet very very few people realize that they played at Woodstock and the the very simple reason for that I mean obviously not on the soundtracks not in the movie and that's kind of because they're they're set up until a couple of years ago really it was on releasable from my perspective so think about this <hes> the technical setup at Woodstock everything was recorded to an eight track track tape machine so eight theoretical tracks of music but one of those is always a sink tone. That's used to sync up movie movie. Russia's one of them is an audience Mike and so you've got six tracks that reserved for a band you've got four five horns in that band and they're crammed onto two of those tracks and all of those horns or out of tune in four or five different directions at any given the moment and so until recently you know when we first mixed this stuff ten years ago. There was nothing we could really do with this. You could use auto tuning software where things like melody line <hes> you could get one horn in tune but that wouldn't do anything about the other horns that were on the same track <hes> so tuning one horn with throw the other the other horns even further out of tune so all we could really do when we first attacked this ten years ago it was just mixed the horns way way way down and if you've ever heard blood sweat and tears you know that's that's not really the point so <hes> here. We took a little bit of producers license a thing we can do now. There have been some really interesting new developments <hes> polyphonic ovonic tuning now allows us to fix all of those horns and get them back into something resembling tune and so now we can actually hear what blood sweat and tears sounded like and what they sounded like was. This was a hot band. These guys could play but that's not what they sounded like if the horns were out of tune well this is where where this is this is kind of the existential moment for me and I'm I've spent a lot of time griping about people who inflicted things on that that audio but I would say the the difference here. Is You know I didn't want there to be just a big poker chip in the middle of box set that you couldn't really listen to you know or something that you could only listen to as a as a kind kind of a scientific field recording of something that technically happened. I I do want you to be able to enjoy listening to this. It shouldn't be agony it. It should actually really I hope be fun at some level and so that's why we did this essentially and I'm I can sleep with it. I'm okay I'M I've. I've made my peace with it I.. I do understand if if somebody wants to kind of come back at me and go like hey aren't you the guy who's always talking about fake stuff woodstock. Yes yes. That's me but I'm large. I contain multitudes woods and I will I will defend this until my dying day. Let's hear those tuned horns of blitz when to system a little bit of it and a little bit of David Clayton Thomas One come down. We got around travels. I painted needed pony the spin we you know got a whole spin then we travel catch painted component Aleppo spin the wheel. Did you straight good yeah. Thank you thank you. That's that's an thank the horn players how many how long does it take to pull it off. Well obviously it took the technology is probably the hardest work here took a few decades for that all to a point where we could have done something with it but but that's a that's the last couple of years kind of thing using <hes> and it does take some work in in doing. It's not like it's not like you put it through the magic the magic sausage machine and it comes out perfect believe me that's I wish who is the engineers that you work career so on this my longtime friend and partner and engineer on all of the Woodstock stuff is Brian key hugh who is kind of an archival mixing genius and we had a little bit of help from <hes> somebody that knows a little bit more about polyphonic tuning than we do <hes> by Mike Sowinski who was great on this you went through this list of <hes> the the artists played and of course the biggest name on that list who is not in part of the film and not part of the soundtrack was grateful grateful dead and it's like how did that happen. I mean I think and many would think of the grateful dead as a band who loves festivals and loves to play played crowds and loves to play the long sets and and there was drugs and there was all sorts of just felt like had that half sure it should have been a natural it just just this Garcia's in the movie. He's holding joint right marijuana exhibit a that's his line yeah yeah so <hes> here's the thing you know it's a sad and tragic story and look nineteen sixty nine the dead were for me at their absolute pinnacle of drink. I mean that version of the dead is is I mean everybody has their own favorites but for me it's in nineteen sixty nine dead so should have been great. What happened was Ouseley Stanley? The dead's legendary kind of scientific genius use engine nearer chemist accompanied them to woodstock with <hes> a bunch of his own equipment and his equipment didn't mesh well with Bill Hanley's P._A.. System especially not after the dead played after canned heat who were the loudest band at Woodstock and who blew out a whole bunch of the amps so literally blew literally blew them out with volume and there had been some equipment repair after the canned heat set to try to get things back online so probably a combination of the post host canned heat repair and obviously Stanley's equipment not blending well with with the onstage equipment basically caused the dead's equipment to grind to a halt and fail after about four minutes of music so they start out trying to play Saint Stephen but even before that on the tape you can kinda here. Bob Weir is screaming like hey. I'm getting terrible shocks and he was he was getting zapped by by the microphone every time he got close to it so they soldier through and they get through two minutes of Saint Stephen and it just get crashes. Can we hear that yeah sure we find it here so it's literally like two minutes and twelve seconds of I love that you notice completely down to did you hear it enough times and you know that's the story of my life beautiful. That's about autobiography of Handy's exactly that's I coming. You know coming soon Republican house near you already here. This isn't quite working. They're they're not. They're not all they're being out on the same page. I mean Garcia's really trying. You can hear Tom on stanton like trying to play the organ part. Drums are kind of in some other place and heaven knows what Taher onstage through the monitor they might not hurt each other well. That was another another casualty of Ouseley Stanley system. They say Stephen with the go go's goes goes the people play home with the Gold Mail Buddy ed wood down in down and that's it so they've just segue into Mama try. Their Merle haggard cover played a lot to try to sort of switch it up a bit something simpler or what was something that would give. We're a chance to sing without being killed. I'm not I'm not totally sure but they they make it through a very brief version of Mama tried this goes on for maybe two minutes and twenty seconds and then that that kind of grinds to a halt somewhat abruptly also the small chat names as long as they're they're attempting to play high time here but no a- and the crowd is yelling louder and can't hear you with the crowd or particularly they're now. They're not yelling at the dead there yelling at people who were near the fence at the front of the stage to sit down because they can't see down sit down from the stage. They're saying you want to hear louder and yeah yeah. There's there's some louder stuff to Garcia's not totally hearing it right so it's it's a mixture because they can't. It's rocket nine thousand people. They don't know they're they're even there. They can't see them right. Garcia's asking for a light on the crowd so we can kind of get a sense of what's going on Zimny. Somebody's working on it is sinister plot. I would so what happens here. It's kind of a performance nightmare. Everything is ground to a halt and you're stranded on stage with nothing to do while you wait for Ouseley Stanley to fix the equipment and and get you back online. Yeah I can see what the problem is. You got to get right in there and talk so you guys can hear you can hear it down there. We can't hear it here either but we're working on it trying to smooth it all out so there's instant. What do you call it? Let's it's pick on in the background more whatever it is or microphone noise just more volume so this is called killing time on stage you wait for your stuff to come back and this stone park was this place where they said that <hes> this is a place that will make for two people by the people for the people all of being in there you know nice little land at like it was an Indian babs wasn't second so so they stand there onstage and that sequence goes on for about that's an eleven minute sequence where they're safe for the box so absolutely complete complete and uncut you know this is one of those weird things you know. If you're a performer obviously this is just the worst thing that can ever happen. You're you're in front of all these people and you start and and even though you're at the absolute peak of your artistic abilities you can't play and you're stuck on stage for eleven minutes waiting for stuff to get back off the ground again and that's bad. If you're Jerry Garcia Bob Weir anybody in the group that that's no fun at all and so you will absolutely remember this if you're those guys as well obviously that's the worst show we ever played but from the perspective of US listening to it fifty years later this is pretty fascinating stuff. It's great to kind of hear these guys when they're sort of in their downtime kind of kicking it around on stage joke around that tell story store your to Ken babs keeps interrupting there yelling at Ouseley Stanley. He's yelling back at them. At one point country. Joe McDonald comes on to deliver a bit of a warning about the green acid. That's going around. It's just you really do get kind of a slice of life at woodstock not optimal from a performance standpoint but but pretty entertaining coming from a listening standpoint and that is woodstock perfection no peace and love shrewdly some of it but <hes> <hes> chaos chaos again and without violence yeah and it's it's a kind of a it's a very enjoyable chaos you know and that's sort of how I feel about this whole long thirty six hour thing. If you give yourself over to it with just a modicum of patients there are all kinds of things to dig out of it that you will hear sure and you will learn things that you didn't previously know you'll learn what it sounds like when the grateful dead are stuck on stage for ten minutes trying to figure out what to do you'll learn about people who needed asthma asthma medication and kidney pills and all kinds of other stuff. You'll get sort of a crash course in in what it really was like to sit out on a dairy farm for three days in the middle of August fifty years years ago and soak the stuff up Andy's acts the producer of this thirty eight disc box and the Woodstock fiftieth anniversary collections. I'm

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Governor Cuomo Outlines Plans For Gym's To Reopen

Bob Lonsberry

29:07 min | 5 months ago

Governor Cuomo Outlines Plans For Gym's To Reopen

"External tallest not the same thing I've seen at at the Fisher House the Fisher House I know is a huge part of recovery for somebody like my husband for them to know that their family members are being taken care of that's a huge burden off of them so they can concentrate on their therapies. Just. Having that assurance that no matter what as long as we were there for Anson. would be there to take care of us. It took so much offer shoulders. How can you help go to fisherhouse dot org partly sunny and seventy I'm todd holiday newsradio Wamil of eighty next news at eleven thirty breaking news when it happens anytime another hour with Bob Laws Bury starts now on newsradio eliminate. Thanks. Appreciate that good morning my friend. Thank you so much for tuning in. It's a flat out beautiful day for Radio Program. We have this sad story early, this am on the throughway. There were four young men out of New York City. They had taken a trip up to Niagara. Falls I don't know if it was to see the falls or visit friends or work or who knows what but you know you're in yearly twenties you've got a day or two your New York City somebody says you WanNa go say Niagara Falls Man I'm in. Let's go in per chance that was the case with these young gentlemen. They were driving. A back toward home about one thirty This morning they had past the candidates exit a next up, of course, would-be Palmira and Then, they were out of the blue struck head on by a vehicle in that car with four young men the driver was killed and a passenger from the backseat also lost his life Two others were taken to strong where now they are fighting for their lives. The vehicle that struck them was driven by an eighty one year old man. who had been reported missing out of Ohio. What's the story there This is a person who's wandering and whether we call had dementia or whatever we call it this is a person who's not all there. And the deal is that he goes to the Clifton Springs rest stop and does whatever he does, and then exiting the rest stop instead, of course, proceeding eastbound back on to the throughway. He a gets off on the on ramp. He leaves the rest area via the entrance, and of course, is then going the wrong way on interstate ninety the throughway that superhighway. He travels that way for some eight minutes and we don't know, but it's often the case in such circumstances that somebody sees it somebody calls nine, one one and the trooper's head that way like a bat out of hell. The. If that was the case, they did not get there in time and the eighty one year old man is dead. And, the two young men are dead and two others are are dramatically injured. Passersby came immediately to the scene and a pulled one person from the wreckage and began performing there on the side of the Road Cpr. God bless those folks as they Ah, saw to render aid. here's the deal. Why was that man's presence on the throughway? Not. As a guy going the wrong direction, I presume that that was reported and I presume maybe the the troup or troop t whoever it is, it's on their people will tell us about it but. You know that they're building these scanner things on the throughway, right? You know the to get on interstate ninety. You have to come one way or another through a a a toll booth, right? And we have had license plate reader technology fielded for more than a decade. it did the guy use Ez pass when he got on the New York State. thruway. is there a license plate reader when you get on the through way? I mean I haven't lately, but you know I in years past most police, cars have add license plate readers on them. There've been license plate readers mounted permanently variety of locations back when malls were thing, the parking lots always had license plate readers as you went in or out of there. just my thought is that if this eighty one year old man is missing out of Ohio. Then it would seem that the license plate associated with him could be fed into some license. Plate reader system and there could be some silent alert that exists. So that technology is looking for him in addition to living. Law. Enforcement. People. This man was on a controlled access highway no doubt encountered. Some sort of electric technology as he you know who knows how long he was on whatever roads in Ohio and in a Pennsylvania and then when he gets on the throughway again, that's a limited access highway which is digitally monitored and you know as they're putting up these big things on the way to do whatever in their surveillance of us. Is it not possible to also use these surveillance technologies not just to spy on us or to extract from us our tolls but maybe find cars that for whatever reason we need to find. What if it was a kidnapping or something like that or in this situation again, a man who has roamed and presumably has some difficulty a function. So I would just politely say you know this is where I do. We not have that technology turned on do the licensed play readers not? Is there not some central database where you know there's the bow thing beyond the lookout for you know this vehicle that vehicle the other vehicle. if not, why? Not? There of course, license plate readers systems out there that constantly surveilled by computers looking for vehicles that are supposed to be repossessed right and if we can do that and at the I fine that's great technology on do that but we can do that and we do that every day. Then why was it again? How many miles from What's that first place over there? I don't know Westfield or whatever. But how many miles had this man spent on the? New. York state true way. Right he had gotten on in Pennsylvania presumably had come up to buffalo pay toll gotten off. Got On the toll free portion gone through another Poe tollbooth pickup a ticket driven all the way from buffalo to Rochester and beyond Canandaigua a headed towards the Palmira Manchester exit when this ultimately happens. Right. That's is that two hours that he was on New York's superhighway at least. and. None of that technology made any connection. Issued any alert. And the system isn't smart enough to have anticipated something like that. You and I a couple of Gomer sitting here, just shooting the breeze amount, we're able to think of applications for technology that the people in law enforcement and highway who put it up didn't. Doesn't seem likely so there's more to be told about this and there's more to be learned from this back with you in just a moment on newsradio Hamill of eighty. Welcome back from the gym reopened stuff. Is again Cuomo says shearing, visit your relatives, the nursing home, but really you can't Cuomo says, yeah. Restaurants can reopen but not so that they can be profitable. Cuomo says, Yeah Jim's can open but really many of them can't. First of all, I don't think very many of them are going to have this merv thirteen filtration system available and retrofitting putting one on could literally be depending upon the size of the building tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars which they don't have right. Wearing a mask all the time is a very difficult thing. In a situation of with some wireless stations had some like cardiologists and is now let me say if we're talking about you know your valve prolapse or something like that. Then put your cardiologists on if we're talking about communicable disease then God. Bless him a cardiologist is you know so you know It's you are not an expert on this. Sir But anyway, he puts on his mask and says, I run up and down the stairs every day. Okay. Well, when you say run, what do you mean run and I I'm sure you're just G I joe heart surgeon but launch you come out here getting new bells spin class and see how you do with your mask on. All right might get you off in buffet. So the mask is for any sort of aerobic activity going to be an extreme least significant burden. Also There can be no water fountains in the gyms. which you know I be honest with ya the water. Fountain is simply go the gym Also, your mask has to be a real mask. It cannot be aband-. Danna it cannot be a buff it cannot be a gator the the move against bucks and gators is well underway. So you can't use those and a deal is that like there are running gators, there are cross country skiing gators. There are things that are designed for you to breathe through while engaging in robot activity and none of those Can You US also at the gyms there can be no communal showers. Right and if there are individual showers than each one must be fully disinfected between patrons. And the showers just like the rest of the Jim can never operate it more than thirty three percent of capacity. So again. You have capped it at a capacity level which us. Than the break even point just as they've done with restaurants. further you have put so many burdens on. This environment of exercising that it becomes unlikely and again that merv thirteen or filter filtration deal if you have a system that will accept it, then you can go down this path. If you don't, you are dead in the water and there's no way you can reopen. and. So and movie theaters he says, nope new. Record. Movie theaters. Why not? And also, what is the process for reopening? When do we re open? We've gone through this phase system. We have successfully completed every benchmark that you set ill dish. And yet here we are still jammed up and the deal is that the economic slaughter being wrought by the son of a pup is still going on. Right while he's writing a book and profiting from it the at restaurants. The businesses of so many types, the gyms most assuredly. Going to be disappearing, this is a man. Heat is expected by the end of this year fully one third of all the small businesses in New York will be gone. By the end of six months, fully two thirds of all the restaurants in New York are expected to be gone. Right. And these strangling restrictions continue for example, how long have we been at phase four on restaurants capped at fifty percent capacity. Right when when does that get lifted? When can more people sit down there? That will do two things it will allow more people to sit and more people to pay and allow for that restaurant to get closer to being able to cover I. It's expenses. and. Also, as you lift it one more level of occupancy, you'll be re assuring the public confidence. Here's the deal. This thing astoundingly is breaking down like so much else on on the issue of of of of of politics. And you have if you look social media, the progressives who are almost self righteously talking about avoiding restaurants and bars and these microbreweries and everything else like that. Right and it's almost like contributing to the death of some business is the latest virtue signaling and is don't get anyway the gyms are that's. Mine will be able to open. I hope that mine will be able to to open I wanted a tour of a downtown building yesterday for a commercial project that may be underway and the developer was there and he said this any. What had been a cafeteria, they're gonNA make into a a a personal Jim. and to be honest with you, my mind was, okay. How can I create some? What can you use me for for a few minutes each day so I can qualify as a worker in this building. So you can let me use that Jim and get away from this frigging insanity. It's it's just not right but bub-bubba, and here's another thing to. Say this Andy yesterday said that he now is preparing for additional restrictions. He'll need to impose in the fall as the flu season comes on. So He's also now the flus are, but let's say this it is quite possible that cove it could come back October November through the winner other types of viruses like this have done that, and so this virus could, and as I said at the beginning of the summer, one thing you can do now to help prepare yourself for that is to begin to get fit and to lose some weight Obesity has ban the largest. a precondition that has led to difficulties with this. If you can lose just a little bit that can help here's the deal you start exercising in as little as two weeks. You can have significant improvement to your core fitness and health, and if you were to start that now, just a little bit of walking or whatever you're going to do some push ups jumping jacks that could help you stronger just in case, the Cova comes through in the fall and you'd be better able to endure it. Should you become infected? We've got Alexa Olson's newscast next on newsradio wham eleven eighty. Hey. Logging that tank, we deliver propane straight to you extend your aunties went through. That's propane taxi propane tax dot. com, let's cook in this weekend. Really is your plan then make it easy on yourself go to propane taxi dot com enter Promo Code bbq. Ten for ten dollars, I, Barbecue tank exchange delivered to your door. It's that easy with propane taxing. So you can focus on family friends and fun. Tallest not the same thing I say not at the Fisher House the Fisher House I know is a huge part of country for somebody like my husband for them to know that their family members are being taken care of that's a huge burden off of them so they can concentrate on their therapies. Just having that assurance that no matter what as long as we were there, for Anson, that someone would be there to take care of us. Took so much weight off our shoulders. How can you help go to fisherhouse DOT ORG Welcome back friends welcome back real quick This has been posted by. Monroe County Health, department gym, and fitness centers who are interested in reopening should contact sat and it gives the number to begin the process of arranging an inspection. Guidance for opening can be found at and it's got the link to Cuomo site to begin the process of arranging an inspection. That really ought to be how about tomorrow at four. Right what's beginning the process of arranging inspection also, hey, if you if you're interested in reopening what what there are those that aren't interested in reopening who just given it up and you're not to contrast, but in Onondaga County in Onondaga County, the county government has a list of gyms worked with them on his opening suggestions to make to the governor and reached out to the gyms to schedule this stuff you know what I'm saying. It's so I don't know if you can move your jim down in Dhaka county things might work just a little bit They had a different approach to covert over That way John, glad, you called Sir Welcome to Newsradio Damn eleven eighty. Good afternoon, Bob It's always nice to hear voice. Thank you. I'm honored. About Brion is at the reenactor. I know they'll lieutenant governor the Susan B Anthony Reenactor with channeling the refuses all of the partners is wild said she didn't need to be pardoned. I think was that going on down The town that I hear that wrong I the Lieutenant Governor Kathy Hokkaido's saying she's the highest in a off female officeholder New York I don't believe she is I think they'll be Senator Gillibrand, who is a constitutional officer she's a member of the United States Senate? That would be the ranking female but also would, who is the chief justice the State of New York right now Anyway, that's a tangent but I if I were I I, you know here's the thing. I. Predicted that trump would pardon Susan B. Anthony About fifteen minutes earlier. But I thought that he do that if I were on the White House staff though I would have suggested to him not to do so. because. the Kathy hoc although she naturally got snoddy and turned it all partisan. She did sort of expressed the principle that is correct in this matter, which is a pardon is for people who have done wrong and Susan B. Anthonys position was that she had done nothing wrong and in truth of course she had done nothing wrong and again I believe that Susan B.. Anthony repeatedly did say I have nothing be forgiven for and I presume that would include pardon. So it may be was a nice gesture and I'm glad that the president in the White House is acknowledging you know the the Santan area of the nineteenth amendment but a again just The. Personality of Susan B. Anthony She did not WanNa be forgiven as she felt she had done nothing wrong and I think that her assessment of was correct Roseanne thanks for calling. Thanks for holding on man you're on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. The are evil legal maniac power hungry. Governor calls. Opinion that he's keeping these physicists closed on purpose which I can't believe what is true. If they're all GONNA lose their businesses anyway. Then why don't we all just open up? There's more of us than there is a them what are they gonNA do? How are they gonNA shut everybody down if we all just open everything. I agree with you. I mean I don't know why why. Why is everyone so afraid? If we can. Get. Because here's why the only way it works is if everybody stands up. If it's one or two were tanner fifty or a hundred. He will mow them down. You know he will pull your liquor license he will find you he will audit your taxes he will send the town or the village to take away your C of o he will send the county to screw with you The only way it works is if it's everybody and the problem is some of the people, support him, and some of the other people article cowardly. Him How can anyone support him? The Da? Rather, communism I. Didn't watch the Convention last night but I did see some of it on Fox News today. They all got up there bash trump. They can get to say whatever they want to say none of they just true. And nobody does anything about it. Well I'm okay. Living like that I. I I wanNA free speech country even for Democrats at their big party. Here's a thing. some people are going to be taken in and some people aren't going to be taken in, and that's just the way it is and I. You know like I think that some of the stuff that Mrs Obama said was wildly manipulative and fundamentally dishonest. and people are either going to see through that and go. She's playing US right now or they're going to say I believe and I'm all on our all in. But I think that their reaction would have would be the same. No matter what. I think if you were of a mind to be persuaded your persuaded but here's the thing next week Republicans will be. Saying narrow thing and Democrats be in the same feeling the same way how `bout were just in a big country where we can say whatever we want right and this team will say what it wants and the other team will say what it wants and we'll all be happy that we're all free to say what we feel Daniel Welcome. You're on newsradio eleven eighty. Hey. I was just curious why the governor was so thankful for the layers and the ship and the. JAVITS center being converted but yet. Now he's just stabbing trump in the back. When he failed to use those to put people there instead of sending them to the nursing home if he had, you've touched on something hugely important if he had used the javits center for a a nursing home people if he had. The ship for Nursing Home People the nursing home problem in large part in large measure does not occur real quick I want to say something about the tabling last night by the candidate what town board of the renaming of squaw island which is soon to be gone I mean it has just in the course of the years I've been around it used to be someplace you'd. you can canoe over there. Walk around a picnic people used to do that. Now it's like nothing it's mostly like where birds go take crap and that's just the nature of erosion or whatever it is it it has been called squall island four more is something in in excessive two, hundred and fifty years It has history where that name came from I to be honest with you I'm not horribly bothered by the the name 's Coie I know that it is bothersome to to some and I do know that the customer is to rename everything that's called Squawk I know that there've been efforts every few years to rename squall island i. note the none of them have been successful I would suggest if the name is offensive that instead the name be The island be named for a General Sullivan. Whose campaign up into this country here was and I think was the way he had troops who went to Canada Gua. That was important to the American Revolutionary War you know I think the you know folks who are bothered by squad island would be bothered by naming it for general. Sullivan. But you know as an American general, the largest campaign of the American revolution it was huge in crucial at the time and it was a successful operation and so you know if we are to abandon this name of two hundred plus years now, let's use it as a memorial to the men who fought in our area to secure for us independence from England and the. The freedoms we enjoy today. So rename it General Sullivan Island, if you will or wait another ten years, it'll all be washed away listeners on the loses next two to to eleven eighty the number for that you get fifteen seconds and fifty thousand watts. Say whatever you want. Right whatever you want and you'll have entree here on newsradio am eleven eighty now listeners on the loose with bomb Lansbury on newsradio WAM. Eighty allow you're on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. People say what can I do to make a difference in voltage? Here's what I'm GONNA do next month when the school taxes come out I'm not paying them holding them up for one year. Not. Paying them for one year every year going to be behind one year. That's what it can do to make a difference righty. Hello, you're on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. You know I was listening to Michelle Obama last night just out of curiosity. But I I had a shot off when she started the scratch or testicles. Think. That's polite at all. It's pretty rude and crude I disagreed with her throughout but. Again my takeaway was, why is she not the candidate when a person speaking for your party is far more you seemingly capable and mentally present than your candidate than you screwed up your candidate selection process. Hello, you're on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. Yeah I. Think I'M GONNA buy indies book. Just in case, I run out of toilet paper. Again, I got a backup plan. Here's the deal. Sharman is going to publish that in two ply. So I think that'll be very useful for you. Hello, you're on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. Say Ted. Halliday. Asked me to go skinny dipping that'd be in the water sashes and you know what? Thanks to present. You'll be waiting there for him in the creek. Hello, you're on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. What's my name? Joe Biden got there you go. See a little bit of political commentary there. Hello you're on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. Bob I'm very confused about some maybe can how be out. The Jamaican father and native. mother have an African American child. many people from Jamaica are black and of African. Heritage. Though it'd be the answer. A Colin Powell was of Jamaican heritage in quite obviously, he was African American. Hello, you're on newsradio lamb eleven eighty. Yeah LE-. We got some wonderful berries from the tree for when you come home time you bet. Berries don't grow on trees mulberries do here's thing I want to become the ambassador of the Purple Mulberry. Sure. Makes for some multicolored bird crap. But I think it is a tasty and nutritious fruit which more of a showgirl. isn't that wonderful got Iran God. Bless you. Keep Your Chin Up. God bless the United. States of America. To Major Eric Lawton troop commander a New York. State troopers. Appreciate your career of service God. Bless you Sir and God bless you jen listener. We'll be back here tomorrow morning eight till noon on newsradio Ham eleven eighty.

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Fyre's Andy King

I'm Obsessed With This

31:51 min | 1 year ago

Fyre's Andy King

"Welcome to. I'm obsessed assessed with this. Then epaulets podcast about the shows and films viewers cannot get enough of sort of like the cheese sandwiches for people who attended fire fest. I am your host bobby finger and today we are going talk about a little movie that came out about eight months ago called fire the greatest party that never happened. It's a documentary about the ill-fated fire festival the music festival that had just the biggest expectations behind it fairly expensive every influence or went kendall jenner promoted on her instagram and it promised to be the most exclusive exclusive and the best music festival of all time like woodstock who coachella wishes honestly and then everything fell all to pieces that is what the documentaries about it's wonderful. You should watch it. If you have not <hes> i watched the day came out because i could not wait. I was not disappointed and arguably the most memorable line was uttered by our guest on today's very special episode the season two premiere up. I'm obsessed with this and today. I'm joined via facetime audio. The lovely clear facetime audio by producer noted talking head in the netflix original documentary fire the greatest party. That never happened andy king. Hello hello andy. Thank you for speaking with me today no problem. I'm excited. I'm excited to be speaking. Is that a good title producer not talking head. What would you like to be called called. <hes> i think probably producer is fine. I mean i'm <hes> it's funny because i'm suffering today from p._t._s._d. After the old <hes> american greed finally c._n._n. Piece could see it last night. Oh i didn't see it. I don't i mean i was kind of more factual swollen on fire more hulu ish all on fire and i sat at the edge of my seat praying that i would not be mentioned and i wasn't and you know what a relief. What a relief. I know that there was one part where literally are creative art director said andy i <music>. I'm i'm done here. You need to call billy and tell him if he doesn't pay these fucking bills. Nothing's going to be cleared and customs. Nothing's gonna make it through. There will be no festival and he grabbed my found from meeting just guile and he just started screaming at philly on the line and then billy at the end of the conversation. All you heard was yes understood. That was that but of course nothing got paid. So of course they crawled into bed last night. Client almighty god the memories are coming back had been kind of subsided after awhile pretty much yeah i mean it was it was a tough one. I'm not gonna lie definitely a tough one but but but you know <hes> and and and you know what's funny is that you know thank you net flicks <hes> it literally wasn't until the premiere of the documentary the night in new york city where my part came up. I'm sitting in the middle of the audience and all of a sudden. I start to shrink them like oh shit here. Comes your incompetence and everybody stood up and gave me a standing ovation. It really wasn't until that point that i knew that things were going to change in a positive direction and that was the first was that the first time you've seen it with an audience definitely <hes> as you probably got so. This is a show that obsession usually we talk about like the netflix titles that people are obsessed with but i think we should just sort of move. Who've that until later since we're already kind of talking about it. We're fortunate enough to have someone on the show today you who is the object of obsession and you utter that i guess now infamous thomas line when recounting that particularly intense requests from billy was the founder of fire fest <hes> and you instantly became this sort of notorious figure this. I chronic mean figure from the documentary. I think that you were sort of nervous about seeing what the audience response to that would be an eye correct me if i'm wrong but i think i read that you wonder that cut from it. Originally your lawyers gave you counsel that like that should go away can you can you tell me that story yeah. They definitely said that that would <hes> ruin my career. And of course it was funny because at the end of the day i literally i we have the interviews up here at the farm with chris and and then during the interview. I just said hey chris. I'm going to tell you a story. I know you won't use this ha- let me tell you a story so i tell the story and you know you conceal. It and everybody was in shock listening to it going. Oh my god. Can you set the scene like how many how many people are in this crew. How many people in your home listening to you tell the story for the first time we you were out in my barn and trying to make it more of a casual setting less formal and <hes> gosh probably maybe six or eight of us and and <hes> and i just thought oh what the heck you know what i'm just going to tell the story and i told you could see all their faces to drop their mouths author wide open. I'm like oh chef. I do the wrong thing so then. I called my business partner that night and he's like hold on let me get jessica are learn the line so she pops on. Tell them in there like <hes>. No no no no no no unit or back. You have to pull that. That's bad bad bad understandable response from i'm a lawyer i guess and so of course i called chris christie's like andy. You don't understand what you said in such a great calm matter-of-fact away with perfect and it basically describe just how crazy it got down there so i said okay. I got an e senate. You have to trust me like we need this in the documentary because of the demonstration of craziness but also it broke up the intensity of like everything just just getting fucked up and more fucked up and more often than suddenly andy says this line and people take a deep breath and half of yours i think but put it on rewind and went back to go. Wait a minute. Did he really just say that. I certainly did you know just right on back just to make sure that what i heard was actually what you said. Boy billy called and said andy. We need you to take one big thing so the team and i said my gosh. I've been taking something for the team every day said well. You're are wonderful gay leader and we need you to go down. Will you suck dick to fix this problem and i said said billy what he said andy. If you will go down and suck cunningham's jack who's the head of customs and get him to clear all of the containers hainer with water. You will save this festival and i literally drove home took a shower. I drank some mouthwash. I'm like oh my gosh. I'm really and i got into my car to drive across the island to take one for the team and i got to his office fully prepared to suck his dick the calmness of that delivery adds to its member ability because i feel like if you had been sort of all over the place and specifically recounting the story number one it wouldn't have been believable but it wouldn't have been as it just wouldn't have been as intense like just to to show sort of the banality of of how everything got by the end of it got so crazy that it almost didn't seem crazy anymore. You know by that point in the fire fest operations exactly i mean win. Win was the point of your participation in fire fest that you sort of thought wow. This is really sort of going off the rails. Was that point or was it before. Gosh you know honestly. I mean you might think i'm smoking crack but it really wasn't until the storm hit and now it's like we still make this happen and i just kept saying everybody listen. If woodstock is still rate is one of the most successful music festivals in the world. No one dwells on the thousand cars that were you know lined up on the new york state thruway. My brother said they walk something like over nine. Miles left the car on the side of the road walked over nine miles to get in and once they got in forget it it was chaos. There was no check in at that point. No one was even taking tickets. It was a mudslide lied drug overdoses it was it was just you know and i'm like that was in the corner of my mind the whole time. You know what if that worked i this this'll work and i still stand tall to say if the fucking cheese sandwich hadn't gone viral and blink one eighty two or a couple of the other acts had flown in from nassau i saw ten minutes away and started playing on that beautiful stage on the beach people drinking tequila and we're making grouper sandwiches and people in their bathing suits. We would have salvaged part of that. It wouldn't have been huge of a disaster when we had a disappointing but as you know in the doc i arrived six weeks out and i sat rebuilding and i said okay. I'm gonna tell you one thing you just need to take. Take a moment and change the messaging. This has to get to all guests. This is not a luxury music festival anymore. No this is a music festival on a beautiful island in the bahamas and we gotta just people just sleeping in tents and bub-bubba. We would have lost ten percent of the of the attendees. I think maybe a little little bit more but we would have salvaged it. He just wouldn't do it. I didn't know about your relationship to kind of upstate new york. Are you from new york because i feel like the proximity to woodstock especially especially since you said your brother attended it sort of kind of it helps provide a little context as to why this wasn't as big of a red flag to you as it may have been to other people will you didn't attend what's up what your brother did just to clarify that yet. Two of my brothers did so he grew up in new jersey but my father grew up in new york <hes> and so this is our our our world <hes> and i'm one of nine children so i have five brothers for them which are older two of which went through woodstock so we always heard all the stories roy and i'm like you know what i'm gonna keep pushing. I'm gonna keep pushing and pushing and i couldn't let people down. I just you know people just kept saying. Are you sure andy. I'm like you know what what are we. We have no choice here like i just pack it in and say sorry i'm leaving. Everybody like <hes> and billy was driven vendors you now he had borrowed so much money that he couldn't turn back. You know you didn't have a choice. He had to deliver something. I feel like this wasn't really so much else to cover in the documentary but what is your professional background twenty five years of large corporate events and mostly for wall all street <hes> big budgets yeah big budgets and then but then you know two thousand eight hundred and we had to really you know was an industry shift and we needed to get very creative to figure out how to do large events for lesser money <hes> wall street stopped entertaining overnight and then i started doing a fair amount in the tech doc world and <hes> the entertainment world budgets were small for a while but then they grew again <hes> i produced just a couple of many music festivals for tech company in new york actually and then produced a mini coachella for a finance firm extra firm did it right on the coachella grounds rounds out in palm springs so i'd had some experience of when these music festival <hes> but more on my terms and obviously more like having six six months the planet and not six weeks end on a please. Tell me not to ask this question if i shouldn't ask. Did you end up getting being paid by billy. 'cause i found myself wondering that right. After i watched it no no now and that was the norm among people hired right like very few people actually got pay correct act and then last night. It was interesting because it was finally officially released really he. He got me to go down there as well as a few other people and major investors because he had announced that he had a <hes> he had sold magnesium <hes> his credit card company for almost forty million dollars and that <hes> i was about to receive a check for seven seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars which was the stock that i had in his first company that just never came i know of course and and then what had happened. Was that the conversation he was having with a potential buyer. They were going to close the deal at fire at the music festival for whom wow yeah that didn't happen either so <hes> and you didn't know this until last night watching the c._n._n. Thing i didn't really realize it hadn't been totally outlined properly. I was getting a lot of mixed signals from people on what exactly it happened to magnolias. I know you've had to file bankruptcy right after fire about he. You told me that it had sold <hes> the deal that i learned that deal is going to be closed at festival <hes> but i didn't realize he'd kinda used that with a lot of investors as well all of me to get people in the house to help he was finding new ways to sort of become the villain of this story and i think i think that for lack of better word he is the villain in the documentary at the very least just like more generally just the antagonised and and the people who spent you know thousands and thousands of dollars to attend this thing and then ate the cheese sandwiches. They're sort of easier or to ridicule because it's kind of hard it's just hard to feel too much sympathy for someone who had the means to attend fire to begin with and so i think that was the perfect storm of a scenario to make the audience pretty sympathetic towards you or at least i guess endeared towards. You and i was wondering if that's been your experience after the documentary premiered are people kind to you. Do they respect you and if people approach you are they friendly when they do so. I'd say ninety nine point nine percent are very friendly and very kind which is amazing so it's really that point one percent where a car drive by and goes. I gotta indicating you. Suck my dick my <hes> oh now i'm not not not afternoon on a little bit but other the matt. You'd be surprised oh my gosh from airport security t._s._a. As a <hes> waiters to you know anybody who's had the ability to watch the net flicks doc <hes> and without overnight that that was overnight. I mean immediately. It was just i couldn't even believe it. Standing on the sidewalk in new york city or in l._a. Are walking into a restaurant. People start pointing and there's always a few celtics wherever i am as always <hes> and now i get up on stage. I'm going you know i'll be. I'm doing a speaking engagement in louisville kentucky next week following week. I'm in brisbane australia than london them <hes> <hes> well you name met visit pretty heavy schedule and get up on stage and i say listen guys. I'm the biggest one of the biggest failures visible failures in pop culture today as you know the producer of the failed fire festival <hes> and i say but you learn more from your failures than you do from your successes and i hold my head up high. It's giving me an amazing amount of power and i think it's predominantly when i talked to other industry people as well as leaders like andy. You demonstrated something you you basically you know through the means. Now i mean i'm the ultimate team player on the guy. That will do anything to get the job done and this is what i think you know. Genzyme genetics is a millennials in a who were there mentors who do they look today sunnyville looking up to me to go and they say listen. That fucking guy was willing to do anything. We're going to do anything to save the music hustle and he wasn't complaining about it then. I think you know i get up on stage. I say you know what i'm not suggesting that each and every one of you suck every dick in the neighborhood you know make a new business work but you might have to do something you've never dreamed you'd have to do to make lake something successful and it could be five all nighters for could be borrowing money from your friends it could be. I don't know what if your heart and you're passionate about something things and you want it to work. You might have to go the extra mile and you know. I think people really respect that this all and this all came immediately due to the aftermath. The documentary like this sort of side career that you've that you've created was that even in the cards before fire no god no not at all. It was all just i mean who is this guy who has got silver hair or just you wanna rewind and hear what he said three times if you cannot believe what he just said in the documentary fully prepared to suck his own prepared to suck prepared and then suddenly that's like wow he's cool. That guy says it how it is. He's not complaining and he basically he's the ultimate team player. That's the guy you want to work for. That's that's the guy you want to work for you and that's he's the guy that hopefully you're going to surround yourself with <hes> in the workplace and at home and with friends ripe type hopefully you know and and the irony courses that i hate social media. I've always hated social media. I thought it was the most you know. I always realize realized say thumbs up thumbs down fuck. You like what do you make him. I'm like how dare people. I hate the criticism that is constantly going back and forth and i they say listen. If you're going to post something finds somebody that's doing something amazing and highlighted and compliment them and try to inspire people around you to do the right thing and so as you may a._m. Learned you know my event business is a zero wave of emphasis. That's the irony of everything that i was going to suck the dick of the customs officer to clear two hundred thousand plastic water bottles. I don't have plastic events relent which irony of it all but that deal had been cut before. I'd gotten down down there so i didn't have a choice but i'm proud to be able to try to inspire you know kids today to do the right thing and yes some what's on the horizon yeah another another music festival but let me tell you something you know. We'll make the announcement soon enough about what it's going to be aware but it's going to be a zero waste music festival but i'm gonna highlight local farmers and local artisans and <hes> i want to inspire young kids to do the right thing today and it's all being helped out by the the notoriety that you gain from this one this one little kind of almost throwaway line from a documentary. That's that's pretty incredible. Actually isn't it doesn't happen today very often. I was gonna i was sorta sorta lead into that because i feel like for the most part we think of there's been so much talk about <hes> there still is all the time of how nasty the internet has become lay league and when you are the subject of mean it's usually sort of vicious and if not explicitly hateful at least sort of subtly hateful and and when you sort of went everywhere back in early two thousand nineteen when the when the documentary was released. I feel like it was. It's easy to think that it could have actually ruined your life life because that's the narrative that we're used to hearing in two thousand nineteen and it seems to have done the opposite. That's how it seems like to me. Is that something that you've sort of been able to throw back in the face of era your lawyers and the agents who told you to cut that line is that satisfying to you. Absolutely you know and i think what's crazy z. Even my close friends when they first saw were like oh my god andy were so sorry. Are you okay well yeah. Besides the fact that it was you you know six incredibly stressful weeks and then the aftermath with <hes> you know the following months of how i felt and everything else was very very stressful but at the end of the day yes. This has become an incredibly positive situation. I i think one of the challenges really is <hes> you know. How do you balance it. I've lost my anonymity so it's a little bit difficult for me to go anywhere without people pointing <hes> and i'm like why why is it that i'm i've been invited to several celebrities homes and in in hollywood and then l._a. For parties and then i'm the celebrity and i'm like wait. I had it how i that like andy. Everybody just wants to have their picture taken with you. This is hysterical. This is great. Thanks for coming. I'm like wow well leo. I don't know my like why am i the celebrity emilio you you set it like you said that line and everybody that ever be too scared to ever you know i mean. Why do you think your ellen's favourite meam like i got it. Yeah i mean there. It is but got there is the pressure obviously now of of with all this visibility and with this platform screw up you know and i want to inspire kids kids to do the right thing today and were you know i only have about fifty thousand followers <hes> instagram and we're now trying to develop the strategy of you know before we really push it hard and got the numbers way up you know what am i posting everyday well. I have to post things that are sustainable. I'm trying to focus on social impact and i want. I want to inspire people to do the right thing but that's kind of a nerve wracking platform. If i'm you know now i'm talking to like. Organizations nations like pepsi and i say all right pepsi. I worked near ago. Pepsi has done is doing amazing. Things in the world is sustainability but nobody knows about their messaging stinks and i said okay hey guys. Can we talk about how we can improve your messaging with life water or naked or a lot of brands because young kids that are gonna stop. Stop buying your brand because you know but if i screw up and look like a wolf in sheep's clothing i'm done you know that's that's the issue with the internet right yeah. It'll take me down. I mean no-one talks talks about the fact that i was profiled on the front page of the wall street journal in nineteen ninety four on april fools day and then i was in the front page of the national enquirer. I was the new york post at pepsi. He's the right one uh-huh america for corporate coffee or the concept developed to help corporate employees our work lives and personal lives so that they're more productive duct work and happier at home and <hes> but there was no social media then so it didn't go viral you know the the wall street journal knew who i was and <hes> blah blah blah so anyway. It's pretty fascinated see today but i've given this platform and it's kind of pressure because i can't screw up the sort of low level hum that is just always going to be there. I guess now on and is it amazing like because of netflix reach. It's not going away doesn't go away and every time wherever i go you know my partner will go <hes> the spotting. You're right on a look over this to spotting. Were the the best buy two people recognize you pointing in pulling out their phones and so that's that hasn't really waned since since january i mean it hasn't really been really been a year sure but it's it's always there do get linen m._d. Upstate like in in your home area or do people still look at whisper and their phones <hes> you know there's only eighteen hundred people live in my town and i don't go into town all the time so those eighteen hundred people a lot of them probably have netflix subscriptions yeah so they would now l. man for the army they do see me at the grocery store every once in a while also got the pointing and that kind of thing <hes> but i think it's you know it's not. Let's see you know after the emmys yeah. It's gonna be even more intense so are you or will you be going. I'm i'm not sure probably probably gras. Chris chris is like andy. I'm not accepting anything on my talk. Talk about it the star and billy's in jail so now believe i now unbelievable unbelievable. What what is the name of your speaking series like. Does it have a an all encompassing name that you're using as it as tours around the world it shut there isn't one. That's a good idea though i am you know we did. We had a team meeting being team. Conference call today with my team that works for man <hes> were starting a new entity right now called royal flush entertainment and <hes> <hes> where i'm going to take on probably four or five events a year with big companies or small companies <hes> that will predominantly be zero waste last year i did the big fundraiser for leo <hes> out in cinema and helped him raise over nine million bucks for climate change and it was was at dinner for almost five hundred people and we were ninety nine point nine percent zero waste which is amazing. You are the object of someone's obsession of many people's obsession. Obviously we've learned that over the past half hour but what have you if anything have you been watching on netflix lately that you've been really liking. It doesn't have to be new if it's friends. It's friends friends <hes>. It's probably i'm not a you know i'm. I'm a good representative of the the gay community but i'm a very conservative guy but it is fascinating to watch queer eye <hes> and sort of see you know the transformations formations are able to do and how they're able to go into kind of rural america and be accepted is kind of in firing me so that's kind of one of my every once in a while yeah. That's and i haven't finished this this most recent season but everything before it has been really surprising to me. I was wondering how well that show would age. <hes> you know almost twenty years after the fact and it turns out at aged it h pretty well yeah. I mean the irony for me. Is that years ago. I got a call from a friend of mine. Who's a casting agent. Who described this new television. Show called queer eye for the straight guy and she asked if i would audition for it to work you're so i went through a few auditions and then waiting with baited breath <hes> she called me and said. I don't know how to tell you this but everybody loves you but you're just not gay enough and i was like wait. What so the guy i who said he would suck a dick to save a music. Festival is not gay enough to be on queer eye for the strength. I bet it's unbelievable. It wasn't gay enough to ban queer eye but i'm going to the what were you. What were you auditioning for do you do you know which position you would've filled culture food or food probably because i had just written quick and easy my first cookbook quick and easy menu threat attaining which had just been released and i have done a little short series on the food network her all schefter after your but this is all a nineteen ninety four zero and <hes> psych before my time you could you could have been ted. Allan and hosted shopped opt all all coulda gone there instead wow yeah i play enough i am i'm almost i know i almost said bend over and barclay's stock but it didn't say that i wouldn't have been appropriate. Maybe that would maybe that would have worked. Ah you're probably right. I probably would have gotten we weren't going to give it to him but then he told me to bend over and bark like a dog and we said you know. This guy is gay enough. It's going to be okay the work out yeah. That's sort of it and then you're right. I mean from the network's perspective obviously <hes> i i did <hes> i. I've been watching it through different older documentaries which i'm asking for your documentary person a little bit <hes> i i feel like my life is stressful enough. I don't need to like absorb too many others but i love watching chris has documentaries which is amazing <hes> and so i've been following only some of his work and <hes> yeah hopefully that probably not more of the heavy t._v. Than the lighter right that makes sense. I don't want to keep before too much longer but a question that a co worker of mine wanted me to ask you to end this and i think is a great way to to bring this to a closes. You know there's the classic the question what's your desert island pick. What's your desert island book and movie and tv show guess. What's your fire fest book island t._v. Show what are you watching. If you gotta ought to be stuck on the grand caymans in the unfinished fire fest for the rest of your life. What will i watch watch what series berth series series or or movie or book <hes> or book gosh <hes> i mean my favorite all time book always catcher in the rye. I've always felt that. I was definitely the reincarnation field <hes>. I'm always the one that people blurred looking at. I'm in the middle of the room but actually in the middle of the room but i'm standing outside looking in. I can tell you what everybody's wearing and what they're doing. <hes> that's always a buckle up to pull up every once in a while and reread <hes> planner. I think halt definitely oh my god he'd love to like mix things up fucking <hes> then i'm a i'm a total fixer upper kind of guy so <hes> i'd probably have just tape after tape tape after tape of fixer upper real estate shows <hes> to inspire me to figure out what to do with all those coconut and palm fronds and how i could the coolest beach house ever <hes> on my little island and <hes> and of course you know i love to cook and i'm a huge lab got my big farm so i'm a huge gardener so i as long as i have all my gardening tools and seeds <hes> plant amazing gardens and prepare a great fees for anybody who get straddling island with may. I think we'd be in good shape. That honestly sounds like a potential net flicks pilot so you should let your team no absolutely absolutely uh-huh and i on island with andy. I think that <hes> some amount of me to do a day a day. Dating show called <hes> fire on fire island. I mean they're all these options. All of these are great but i was like. I don't know if i want to be pushing corner but maybe knows i've never ever been. I'm such a great game and i've never been violent but someday maybe yeah someday yeah. There's always next summer. There's always this summer who knows but but thank you so much for taking the time to talk. I know you want to jump out into the pool right now and i don't wanna keep you any further well. Thank you for listening to my stories and hopefully i've inspired some people to think beyond like the negative things with failure rights and how do you how do you turn failure into something angrily profit absolutely i think a great example of that but thanks a lot you're welcome. It was great to chat with you. Have a great one for now and thank you for listening to another episode of. I'm obsessed with this. We will be back next week with an all new episode and you can watch or rewatch fire the greatest party that never happened on a netflix.

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March 10: Chatting with James Neilson

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March 10: Chatting with James Neilson

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While his rivals, basically got bogged down in traffic, and that was the story of this one defending champs got Dixon's second willpower. The pole sitter finish third candidate James chance. Clips six just outside the top five Sloan of all things by part of a paper banner that got stuck on the front wing mucking up the front aero on the automobile. However, how great was this to see Canada's Robert Wiggins his teammate inch. Let's of course, at Saint Pete his team all the drivers and fans very warm reception for the rapidly covering driver efforts crash at Pocono just seven months ago before he headed for Florida whit recorded yet another video on Twitter excited to be heading back to work at a racetrack. Again, then with fans say Carly, they fiance, I should say Carly did an interview for ABC's. Good Morning, America. The not race savvy interviewer asking Robbie of getting back into a race car would scare him. Not that. I know of maybe I take half a lap and other no done. For me. But I really don't see that happening. Of course, we thank ABC and good Morning America for that clip. Meanwhile, the Canadian IndyCar deal is not going over very well with some fans on social media. It's sports net. Now, they're direct to consumer platform all races except for the season opener at Saint Pete due to a scheduling conflict will air on sports net world sports net linear TV channel with the Indy. Five hundred and the Toronto indie also airing linear television by sports net three sixty in sports net. One the Toronto Star Norris McDonald for one blames IndyCar for waiting until the last minute darn to put this deal together. Because most of the races aren't free to air. You gotta pay more to see it. Of course, if you have a digital antenna like I do, and you can get them. 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Second win in a row to sweep that weekend. The trucks had the weekend free Formula one, you know, first time we've actually talked about this. But this has the ramifications of being a huge huge story for f one Reseda boss, TOTO Wolff describes Brexit, right? As the quoting the mother of all messes and of quote, and the situation is a major concern for the F one industry. You see seven of ten f one teams are headquartered in the UK. So this is potentially tents. Yeah. Teams. Move their people in their parts and their services all the time any major disruption with borders and taxes could damage the F one industry in the UK. We will of course, keep an eye on this the continental tire sports car report brought to you by continental tire for what you do bring your sleeping bag and lots of coffee not one but two twelve hour insurance races to be run back to back at sea. Bring in one weekend. Yeah. 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Twenty nineteen addition of racing's biggest series ready to launch and week with one Australian Rome pre at melborn just finishing two weeks of testing the same questions and theories arise is Lewis Hamilton still demand to catch Mercedes as well can Ferrari be more consistent nemesis. Amil Canada's land straw bounce back from a disastrous twenty examined in detail by our Goto guy for f one he's the assistant editor of inside track. Motorsport news magazine, F one specialist James Neilson back with us part one on race line radio. It seems it it's it's almost a carbon copy of last year. They do two weeks of testing Catalonian Spain in the media over. There is going crazy talking about the new gains for Rory his made, and they're going to be the team to beat in Mercedes has problems. And they may not be the team to beat. But looking at it. As as a whole picture here. Whether you agree or not it looks like Lewis Hamilton Mercedes are still going to be the team everybody, including Ferrari is going to try and catch twenty nineteen. Do you see it that way as well? As too simplistic. I agree. The main thing that is worth taking away is that last year. Like, you had mentioned we had the same results, and you know, this year the big story has been the changes in how teens Artie clot than back. Plus for our pace Mercedes been very open about where they think they are at compared to for are you? But you know, it wasn't the car that left for our down last year. It was their race day strategy and performance, and you can't simulate that until you get to grow and pre that's going to be the real litmus test. Everyone knew he was quick last year. But the through a so many points in the latter half of the season, whether it'd be through bad decisions strategy. It was a comedy of errors. So that's going to be the real test. See how they perform in those early races. Is there you know race day pit crew and strategy up to snuff because that's one area where Mercedes was clearly superior last year. Yeah. Exactly. And the thing that that came obvious to me. Me with Ferrari's. They kinda stub their toll asked year and fell away in on a, you know, a a race by race challenge for Mercedes is the fact that I I don't know whether veteran trusted, you know, his strategist to do the right thing. It almost seemed like if you listen to his radio transmissions James that, you know, he was second guessing. Some of this stuff wasn't exactly sure. Whether the decisions that were making were the right ones. And when you're driver is distracted with that. You know, the inevitable happens in I think that kind of contributed to the fact that Ferrari wasn't as good last year as everybody thought they might be. Absolutely. You could tell. Yeah. During radio conversations, and you know, trust is hard to answer team. Just because those are just such pref- sniff. It's snippets of conversations that they have all the time. True. It's hard to know. But you know, it definitely you could tell that he was getting frustrated by the fact that you know, he was getting down time and time again that's true on race day. Whether it be through pit what tires to go with so many things happen last year and that for did wrong. And you know, it just they have to clean that up. If they're going to challenge for cities because at the end of the day for us quicker, but it's not by much. No, no, you're right. You're right. This minute or inside track. Mortimer news specialist James Neilson. Our special guest previewing the twenty nineteen Formula one racing season before we leave Ferrari, the new kid if you wanna call him that Charles LeClair seems to be in impressing, a number of people and veterans clearly, obviously, the number one guy, but when you can bring a young buck like Charles Claire who looks to be pretty impressive again. It's only in preseason. We'll see what happens in actual combat as I call it. But that's nice to see that, you know, young guy who's just arriving on the scene. In is already gaining that much notoriety. Absolutely. I mean, it helps that he stepped into the best car. And and and and also he stepped on the car with already a foundation driving Formula one cars, you know, I think that's a huge help. And you know, he's not being thrown in from three or you know, some other series. He's got experience now. And it's really proving that, you know, maybe for our did need some sort of boost in that second seat because I know Reichen Ines performed fairly will intesting was with alpha male. But I mean at the end of the day almost felt like he was kind of going through the motions with that you that was that was a little bit obvious as well. It was interesting in discussing some things with with Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes he says, you know, what we've got all these championships in aerobic at another one to this list. But I don't look at that and say because I've won them that this season is going to be that easy. He more or less in his mind wipes the slate. Claim because he doesn't like the term and doesn't like to put his mind frame in this idea that I'm defending a championship. I'm just trying to go out and win another one. You know what? I mean, they're in his mind is a bit of a difference in your mind. Is there a difference? You think? If Ferrari being teams it's pace from last year and through testing and they do run more consistently. He has nothing to lose. Last year was one of the best performances from a driver. I think ever he was so consistent and he capitalized on every opportunity. That was given his way inside track. Motorsport news specialist in our good friend James Neilson previewing twenty nineteen Formula one season on race line radio. Part two is up shortly in our second guest segment. All right. Well, let's check the clock here and work up. Another pit stop. But coming up the Subaru race, sunny mail bag trivia contest chance for you to win the prize pack. This is the race line radio network. This is Joseph new garden and you're listening to race line radio. Subscribe to a radio shows at I tunes or with your favorite pod catcher. No medical exam or health. Questions will be asked sports knit five ninety fan on demand. Canada's national radio Motors authority there. We are radio network. 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Well, this opened up a little bit of a can of worms because the deal came together late. Many people are not happy with the fact that well there may have to pay out a few shekels per month to watch these races on different platforms. I answered him this way to kind of covers what I think about this whole thing all races except for the season opener because of a scheduling conflict as came together at the last minute, we'll Aaron sports net world sports net linear TV channel, I mentioned this in the news with the Indy. Five hundred in the Indian Toronto also airing linear television by sports net, three sixty and sports net. One Toronto's stars Norris McDonald for one blaming IndyCar for waiting until the last minute to put it all together. Because most of the races aren't free to air. Well, you pay for cable unless you've got a digital antenna lake me, you can get some of the races on NBC. That's how I watch NASCAR right now. It's on FOX can get WTVN buffalo free of charge over the air digital antenna. A lot of folks do at that way as well. Of course, if you have as I say digital antenna, you can get some of the races NBC's main network, and that will include the Indy. Five hundred a lots of people are upset that they have. To spend more money to get the channels that carry these events. This is the way things are being handled. Now, folks, you're going to have to get used to this F one gave exclusive rights for their races skysports, and you have to pay to subscribe to that eventually all of the racing will be carried this way free to air broadcast will eventually become totally extinct. It's the nature of the beast. I am afraid, and you know, you you can jump up and down and Haller and stand there in your chest and say, well, I'm not going to pay your New York stra money to watch IndyCar. I'm gonna give up an IndyCar. I'm not gonna go to the to the race in Toronto yediyat EAC and give it to races into the season. And you know, what it's just human nature. You're going to pay the extra money to watch those races. You might think that you're in a majority of people that are going to refuse to go to these races in abandoned IndyCar because it's on these other platforms. You're not in the majority. You're in a minority. It's a very small minority Norris. Mcdonald may disagree with me but come on WJR. Watching television and a race for four hours of the beer in your hand is antiquated. It's got a good at your phone. It's got to go to your tablet. It's got to go to your laptop computer new desktop, computer? People sitting there for three or four hours watching TV for races is the dodo thing. And it's not going to be that way heading into the future. Senator contest entries are comments. What do you think? Maybe I'm all wet. Let me know what you think Eric race line radio dot C to connect the trivia question. You need to answer the qualify on the WRX TI, the special eight leather seat option name it. Okay. Let's work. Another pitstop wilbon part two of the preview, James Neilson. This race line. Presented by Subaru for the of performance handling test drive VR's sports who this week on the race line radio network this willpower and you'll listening to race law radio send us all your money. Sign up for our free podcasts at tunes with your favorite Bod catcher. And we'll send you a free subscription for sports net. Five ninety the fan on demand -absolutely free. Dan, and his national radio motor sport authority knew are twenty seventh consecutive season. We be the race line radio network. Well this week we are previewing the twenty nineteen Formula one world driving championship with inside track. Motorsport news resident F one specialist. Ken lewis. Hamilton repeat has champion will Canada's land stroll better this season. We hope so and are the new owners Liberty Media on the right track. So to speak examined again in detail by the assistant editor inside track. Motor sport news James Neilson, part two on race line radio. He really is nothing to lose. So I don't know. It'll be hard to judge his performance because he was so good last. Yeah. Exactly. But at the same time, I don't see him making a lot of mistakes. Just simply doesn't deal the team is intact to they don't. They don't go through a lot of personnel. So he's used to them. And he's used you know, rain, vice versus hell if they've been this good up to this point. And they haven't had, you know, wholesale changes in the personnel. You it's really tough to not say that Lewis and Mercedes are the number one team to beat again this year. Right. Well, last year proved that they're a well oiled machine you can be tenths of a second two tenths of a second quicker than overlap, but they make up seconds in the pits gather, do they make up seconds with how prepared they are. Yeah. They make up you know, minutes over a season because of the way they're able to avoid disaster. You know, they really ever make a decision, and you know. Minutes over a season are huge in a sport where you know, you've literally attentive second between one guy fifth. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's going to be interesting to see if any of this comes to pass the other puzzle piece in this. And it's the same that we talked about last fears that everyone expected red bull to get up in there and make it a three-horse race it it turned out to be a two horse race with red bull sticking their nose in there. Every once in a while, they didn't really push the Honda engine intesting. If you believe the headlines are they going to be closer to Merck and closer Ferrari this year, or they still going to be you know, almost the race by race predicted third place finisher or something around that line. Well, they're they're hard team to gate. Yeah. Yeah. You know, arguably the best designer in probably in Formula one history. A lot of people would argue for McClair and designer Gordon Murray would be that guy. But he hasn't been in the sport for so long. You know, Adrian new he's been. Yeah. Putting out Reese winning cars the early nineteen ninety new. He's nuts. He's crazy. He's good in. And, you know, the so you know, on that side, they're great. Although he does seem to take a lot of risks which leads to his car's not being reliable. Yeah. And then, you know, it's just I see it's very hard to claw back the advantage. They have in in the event as they have with their engine. Yeah. And that's going to be the key. You know is that engine up to snuff? Can they clawed back because I mean, we all know maximum Stevens super talented. Yes. And you know, the older he gets the less rough around the edges. He's going to be. And once he starts making mistakes to he's. Gonna be formidable. He already is. But he's going to be even more formidable. So you know, they have to thirty. The problem is for our Mercedes have thirty three and it's hard to. And you know, you don't really know if they're going to be the club AC, you're right. Okay. Let's go now to what is known as racing point in our friend lent. Stroll out of Montreal an absolute disastrous season with Williams last year. And here's a new team with his dad's money behind it to give them the resources. We were there for the launch in Toronto at the auto show. Here's the basic question James is it going to be a better campaign this year for the only Canadian on the grid? Then it was last year. Exactly, it kicks would be a disaster for his career. If it weren't. Yeah. You know, solid teammate who I think is probably very aware of who owns the team. So he's going to have a really strong team mate is gonna help them. That teams kept all their pieces together. Despite all the financial troubles before. India dot great engine. And on top of that, you know, the the funding now. So I mean, I think Reynaud seems to be making a big push. They wanna get back near the top of Formula one. So, you know, best to the rest of might be tough this year. But you know, fister six I think would be a successful season for them forth to six should be wear their aiming more likely to the fourth depending on how much money they're spending. And given that they have Mercedes engines Reynaud will be strong to now is praised Formula one James for an incredible job. And that's a quotation incredible with its tweaked the arrow rules for twenty nineteen in this never ending fight to try and reduce the amount of turbulent wash off the car ahead to make passing easier. Vessel is not so convincing the game. We have to wait and see what happens under actual race conditions, but is this aero- tweak gonna make the racing any better in your mind. Probably not. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to be a positive, but you know, there's something to be said that I think the fundamental structure of how Formula one tires, but together is gonna make a difficult to pass and until you actually make revolutionary changes. And how the cars. You know, the or whatever you wanna call it. The dimensions of the car the wings and everything else. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you're. Yeah. I don't think you're gonna see much and I'm no engineer. So as far as doing that is that gonna make the cars, less safe. You know, like this people radically suggested getting rid of the front wing altogether going back to Venturi tunnels, and like that which would revolutionize how an F one car is put together, you know, suddenly you're having to make room for those tunnels. You're raising a lot of stuff that they've been trying to get lower and lower all these years, you get rid of the front wings. I mean, there's so many things that go into that that, you know, I I just I don't see it to be honest. What about your impression of what Liberty Media, and that guy with great big handlebar moustache what I on how they're handling things since the the end of the Bernie era. I would've liked to seen them be more aggressive. Yeah. I agree with that. Sure. Yeah. I think for all the talk about all the efforts that are making off the track when you watch an f one race not much different than what you watched twenty years ago. That's I suggests that they. You know that they're going to change where they put cameras and things like that something I've champion for a long time. I mean when you have these helicopter shots, and you you have these panning shots of Plum cars because you're moving the camera along with the car, you scrub off this and sation. And a higher you go the slower the appear to go to. Yeah. Like front facing static cameras. I remember years ago, they had those wonderful static campers essentially pointed at the Senate asses and Suzuka, and you could actually see because the camera was status. You could see just how quick they got to wards the camera and how they could change direction left to right. Yeah. And those are the kind of things that they should really be upping the spectacle of it is, you know, easy to talk about race is being doll because there's no passing. But the reality is these guys are doing phenomenally quick. Yes. They are. And if they could find a way to convey that better on TV, I think that would be a huge bonus. As far as I hope they do as far as Liberty Media goes to like they were in a rock and a hard place. You know, Bernie Ecclestone it and nothing to cultivate, young fans for decades. In fact, he was openly dismissive of most of them because they quote unquote, had no money to spend. And then so, you know, you really got this group of people who watch f one who like it, you know, and and they're primarily an older audience. And that's not you know, that's not a knock on them. That's what they want to see. And so if you change that they you might Nate them. And if you make all these wholesale changes, it's not guaranteed that the people are gonna watch. So you know, I think they've had to take a measured approach. I would have liked to seen them. Go more into the taking risks. But I at least understand where they were coming from the heaven own the series that long. That was gonna be my point. They they've only been at this five minutes comparatively give them some time. And maybe when they think the time is right. They'll pull the trigger and be a little more aggressive. But before we go I always need to ask you about inside track motorsports. News. We're going to have a little Thomas tales action in there again this year, which I'm thrilled with but give us an idea of your electric version the print version, and how people can get a hold of the magazine. Additions available in chapters indigo and then we've got the digital additions available online. You can sign up for both at inside tracked on myself dot CA. And yeah, the next issue coming up, we'll have you as well in it. That'll be good. Always look forward to doing that really enjoyed being part of the magazine the inside track. Motorsport news family has been a big part of our family over the the now twenty seven years we have been on the air across the country. And we're very very proud of that that partnership James, great stuff as usual previewing, the twenty nineteen Formula one world driving championship and will bump into you again soon. Let's see how all these prognostications workout. Thanks again, James. Well, there's our twenty nineteen Formula one world driving championship season preview with our good friend inside track. Motorsport news assistant editor F one specialist James Nielsen on race line radio. Let me know what you think. I mean, it's going to be a very interesting campaign. But I still still don't see anybody unseating Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes, I think Ferrari will get up there. But don't think they're going to be a consistent challenger to to the to the crown, and we'll have to wait and see what happens they kick off a new campaign in the week with the Australian Grand Prix at melborn. Gimme another fascinating season to be. Sure. Okay. Well, it's rapid final. Stop than return. The last laugh next week show setup and more. This is race line. Presented by Subaru powered heart pounding WRX STI now fourteen times in Indian rally manufacturer champion on the race line radio network. This records race land radio returns in a moment. 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Episode 94: Marc Molinaro, Republican Nominee for Governor

Max & Murphy on Politics

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Episode 94: Marc Molinaro, Republican Nominee for Governor

"The. From Saint George to Saint Albans from city island city hall and right here in the People's Republic of Brooklyn. It's five PM in the five boroughs, which time for max and Murphy. You're interviewing Colin show on the policies, politics, and people of New York City in New York state. I'm Jared Murphy from city limits, dot org, underspend max from Gotham gazette dot com. Jerick good to see you. You too. We last spoke on primary eve feels like it was about two years ago. Yes, it's quite a few news cycle since then, the primary fallout everything happening, of course, with the Trump administration and the cavenaugh confirmation or not lots of things happening of course, but we continue now with our election focus, and we're back now post primary moving into the general election. I know we've already done that with a couple of articles Gotham gazette and we're starting to really dig into these general election contests in New York where we've got fewer than fifty days. Until election day. Seven day. Yes, thanks counting. So we've got some really interesting things to dig into. We're starting with that here today. Although part of the show is also looking back. That's right. We'll be speaking today with mock mar Mark. Molinaro. Sorry, who is the gubernatorial candidate for the Republican party beyond a few minutes after that will hear a conversation been? I had earlier today with Rebecca cats who is the chief strategist for Cynthia Nixon's gubernatorial campaign. So look forward and a look back and Ben, the governor's race is obviously at the top of the ticket, the top of the table in terms of the fall contests were watching, but what are some of the other ones that interest you most? So folks understand now, even though we had this contentious democratic primary for Lieutenant governor. Now it's a ticket gov- Lieutenant governor. So we don't really need to worry about voting on the Lieutenant governor line. Although those candidates complain important role, but beyond governor, you know, attorney general controller races, certainly. And then we have the state Senate. It's really where so much of the focus and action is going to be and in the primaries, most of that was New York City. And now most of it moves out of New York City. We should also note that while both of our publications focus on city and state level politics and government, there's federal level elections happening that are really important. There's one US Senate race in New York. Kirsten gillibrand being challenged by Republican candidate shell Farley, but also really the house delegation. Elections is are of utmost importance with Democrats trying to flip seats in New York to contribute to a national wave. They're hoping flips the chamber and one of those potentially flippable races in New York City in Staten Island and Brooklyn. Eleventh district currently represented by Dan Donovan, the former DA there max rose. An army veteran is challenging him. That's a contentious race. There are others in New York state and the state Senate. As you mentioned, one of at least one of the racist people are watching some degree. Is in the confines of New York City that is the Martin golden seat Republican Senator long-serving from Brooklyn being challenged by Angelino artists, a democrat who ran against before and did. Okay for guy, challenging incumbent six years ago, six years ago, and we'll see what's different if anything this time. But yeah, most of the action they're moving upstate, but you hit on a good point which is that there's at least one house race and one state Senate race in the city confines at folks should know about and certainly will be getting a lot of attention. And then we move into some of the swing districts, Hudson valley, Long Island, and even some other places throughout the state where you know you have pockets where it's more about. Can the Democrats kind of compete with Republicans at when you get outside of New York City and a lot of instances, one of the fascinating things here as we move to the general election is governor Cuomo. He comes out of the primary having won by a fairly wide margin, but definitely bruised not only with. Some of the missteps that he made in the campaign, but also the fact that you had this riled up at least third of the democratic primary electorate really going after him. I mean, we'll hear from Rebecca cats in the second half of the show who ran in the Nixon campaign more or less, and they were really attacking him throughout the campaign. And that's fodder perhaps for Mark Molinaro our guests in a couple of minutes to us as well as other gubernatorial candidates. So the Cuomo situations, very interesting. Not only can he prevail in the election, but he's already made it his stated mission to help flip the Senate flip the house. So that's just a fascinating through line there. Of course it is. And I think there's an interesting interplay between the federal story and the state story that Cuomo is going to be at the center of which is that in a lot of his advertisements, even before the primary when he was running against other democrat, he was really running against Donald Trump. He probably plans to do that again in his race against Molinaro. That will be a conversation. I'm sure that the Republicans. Tried to try to differentiate a bit. It is it's already the conversation that he's having and even released an ad today. Attacking Mark Bonar who's gonna be our guest in mere seconds as Trump mini-me me, which is their standard line. And of course, you know, governor Cuomo has been running throughout against Donald Trump and his trying to continue to do that. And we're, of course now going to be joined on the line by Mark Molinaro the duchess county executive and gubernatorial nominee from not only the Republican party, but the conservative party and the Reform Party as well. Mr.. Molinaro. Thanks for joining us on WBAI with Jared Murphy and Ben max. It's Mark. Don't ever call me Mr., but thank you. Good to have you on. Thanks for joining us. So for folks who are getting their first introduction to you, I know you've been traveling around the stay with a very busy campaign schedule, including New York City, but for listeners who might be getting their first inkling of who you are and what you're out. Tell us a little bit before we get into your platform. Who are you? Where'd you come from? What do you do? Why you. You know, I'm the county decorative in duchess of served as duchess county executive for the last seven years. And prior that six years in the New York state assembly, but I began my public service career is an eighteen year old, decided that my hometown government wasn't paying attention to the needs of my community and decided to run. I ran for the village board of trustees and year later in nineteen ninety five at the age of nineteen. I, I was elected mayor of my hometown sex every day of my life trying to make government work for people. And as account executive last six years, I've watched the state of New York become too expensive for too many people. I've seen the failure state government in so many ways into corrupted administration, defraud taxpayers. So I sort of compelled Theron but to be to be, you know, more personal. I, I tell you, and I think you guys know this. I, I have a wonderful wife and three children were expecting our forth on his way later in in November two, boys and girls. My daughter Abigail was born on the autism spectrum was some developmental disabilities, and we we live with the same challenges that a lot of families with with all cross the state and talked about this often. But you know, I'm I'm an ordinary New Yorker. I was raised by a single mom, food stamps, but food on the table number for number of years as my child that always worked two or three jobs as a kid to kinda help the family and make ends meet. And you know, I think it's it's about time. New Yorkers had a governor who knows how difficult it is to live in New York. Mr. county executive this time of year in the phone rings at my house. It's often upholster. And one of the questions they ask is how you describe your political philosophy. Are you liberal, moderate or conservative? I say liberal. What do you say when you get a question like that, I, you know, it's it's one of those things where we could boiler sales down to single words. I think we were. Doing something wrong. I'm a pragmatic public servant. I might. My goal is simply to bring people together to solve problems. I like solutions. I don't necessarily governed by ideology. I guess in the twenty first century world of politics, I'm a pragmatic middle of the road Republican or the traditional limited, but active government respective civil rights, civil liberties, but also recognition that that we can't spend money we don't have. So I don't know what tradition that is other than for twenty five years. I've defined myself and have a pretty decent record of of being a responsible and reasonable public servant. So when you talk to voters, and as I said, I've been following your campaign schedule of course, and you've had a very active one, lots of meet and greets lots of events all over the state. Also interesting to see you March and some of the New York City parades, which I think Republican candidates for governor have often shooed which is, you know, an interesting strategy. I don't know how many votes it's getting. But it's it's interesting of course to see you participate in those all around the state, those types of events. But when you're talking to voters and you just have that brief moment other than the attacks on the Andrew Cuomo, we can get into some more of those, of course, as we talk here, but other than the attacks on governor Cuomo, what do you say that you want to do as governor if you're elected. I understand that every direction I have is really about the voter, and I make perfectly clear. I mean, elections are about candidates. It's about the needs that that people have, and and you know, I talk about my background and and the fact that I understand how tough it is, and I have yet to be any place in New York, whether it's New York City buffalo or or anywhere north south east or west of there. And you know, residents feel left out. They feel like there is this ruling class of people, you know, that contended time show for press conference. Maybe they say they're going to solve the problem and then they disappear and and they feel like this government is is divorced from their realities. They also recognize that whether they're living in in Nitra housing where the ceilings, you know, breaking in or falling down or their upstate struggling on a farm that it's expensive. It's just too expensive, and the opportunity to make ends meet is just not there. So I just about the fact that I've lived this challenging life and recognize the birds the people face and that. We're not going to solve these problems with a tack ads. We're not going to solve these problems with tribalism. We're only gonna solve these problems by sort of putting aside of those things that make that maybe define our differences and focus on bringing people together to solve problems and and I'll tell you, I really hear it everywhere to your point about being in the city. I don't know how many votes it's going going to win me, but but but voters in New York City deserve to see their elected official governor. They're moving to trail candidate regardless of party, and I'd offer to you. Same is true up state that many, many New Yorkers upstate feel like, you know, this governor just sort of forgotten them. So at the end of the day, I show up because that's how you earn respect. It's how you show respect and it's how you bring people go to the south problems. That's my priority. And if it results in a win and I think it will then great mission accomplished. One of the policy proposals you've outs far deals with the MTA and some of the problems having that's his the line of attack that Cynthia Nixon tried against governor Cuomo. No. And curious, it's a complex plan. You've put four, but one of the things you talk about his trying to save money on some of the massive projects, the MTA hasn't away, and what I wonder is, is there a way to save money in those projects without costing jobs? Yes, the answer, yes. I've done this as a county executive identifying efficiencies in working with the collective bargaining units unions to identify where they can. They can achieve savings and the government can achieve savings in both at the end of the day should benefit. And what we propose is actually a competitive effort to say to the Vos within the collective bargains that let you chief efficiencies and benefits and every dollar we save. You should see some of that too. Shouldn't just go into the system or to to to cost simple cauti- reductions there. There's modernisation within the collective bargaining agreements that would benefit the unions and the employee's benefit them both in service and. And and dentists and also benefited reduction of cost reduction of cost. They should see some of that and in Bowie it, it's it's by building into the detail. I know bencher me talk as say this before I'm a bit of a government geek. I'm in the problems that we face will only be solved by diving into the details by checking box and pretending like the missions been been accomplished and move on. So so we propose challenging both the the bloated administration, and it is bloated, and it is air again, and it is. It is sort of disconnected from the the challenges riders face, and we challenge the the, the, the unions as well, do identify together a roadmap to achieving savings and those saving that savings will help to will help to invest not only in the system, but in the personnel as well. That's a win win. And it is a chief -able. It's a cheap -able. If you, if you set aside some of the rhetoric and focus on on on making the invested smart investments necessarily. To get the system function, and I believe we can do that pretty rapidly. So Jared just mentioned, you've released a detailed plan on the MTA. It's it's gotten, I think, quite a few positive remarks from from experts. And you've released a detailed plan on government ethics in government reform and obviously planning to to release other policy agenda items. I know you, you're plotting a big tax reform package agenda. Can you talk a little bit about what that might look like and when voter should expect a real detailed proposal from you? Because you know, from what I heard from your initial convention acceptance, speech, and and since is that that's going to be basically your marquee plan that you're running on? I focused on those two components, ending corruption in the folks at reducing the cost of living through New York. In those two things are awake. It is the correction within the state government that is costing taxpayers. It's. Reason, the projects will be completed on time. It's the reason that certain decisions are made that put people at risk to understand it for me, corruption equals cost and and corruption equals expense in defrauding taxpayers. And the governor's allowed that to occur the last seven years benefiting from it politically within within the next seven to ten days, we'll have the the attached plan release. It will focus on driving down cost and assisting in in real relief to families across the state of New York. So that means property, catch significant property tax really reform within that structure. So for instance, in the city in queens and on Stanton island, you know, there is a big concern. Aries Brooklyn valuation in property taxes actually are a big burden. Also creating savings for those who you know who have real costly day care and transportation costs creating a mechanism to provide a cost, a reductions for those families as well. Well, so it's a recognition that the middle class and and and and lower income families across the state of New York being overburdened by government that seems to forget about them and and we're gonna focus on that and driving down cost on on ordinary Yorkers. You're listening to maximum Irvan WBAI ninety nine point five FM or with Mark Molinaro who is the gubernatorial candidate for the GOP and conservative and reform parties, and also as the duchess county executive, I'm curious, tweeted the other day responding to a story about governor Cuomo and some of the tactics used toward the end of his primary campaign. You said something along the lines of this. There's no line that they won't cross and curious, did you literally, I mean, is your opponent depraved, or do you simply have disagreement about the right direction for the for the state. Honestly, I, it's both. I think this governor has not learned the lessons of the nineteen seventies when he participated in in in in despicable campaign pack is instead Koch. I don't think he's learned from the corruption trials that have brought to Justice individuals in his administration that have defrauded taxpayers. I don't think he he is or is administration's forthright look the the the buffalo billion trial when I don't want to get all these. But right. The buffalo billion trial. Pretend not to know who the people are nothing to do with Joe provoke. Oh, didn't know what he was doing in the governor's office while he was trading campaign contributions for for tax payer resources. The opening of the tappan Zee bridge claim to not have any involvement yet. It turns out through a through reporting that it clearly they made decisions based on political a political time line in this horrible piece of mail. And and I, you know, I, I feel for his Nixon this horrible piece of mail that this. Ministration this governor put out when was despicable claiming anti-semitism. She's raising children in the Jewish faith and then to claim to have no, no, no involvement didn't know who it was and it was a volunteer. Then it was somebody else and then it was and it was one of his lieutenants. Larry Schwarz who only one side but didn't see the other. They seem incapable of telling the truth. And at the end of the day, the governor has to the public deserves some answers who's responsible for these things. And by the way, in the case of that piece of mail, you saw it. It reported is Email chain between the governor's teeth of staff. Larry Schwarz the governor's chief of staff assistant or aid. If you will. Larry Schwarz who's a private employee for a business that is doing that is benefiting from taxpayer investment, LaGuardia, seemingly having unfettered access state government, they blur the wise, all the trend, just ticks and campaign folks folks can. The New York Post is between allow the reporting on that Mailer that that was, you know, came to light in the last couple of days of the primary, and I would encourage folks to look at the reporting you're referring to from the post who they've done a great job trying to get to the bottom of who knew what and, and so folks can check that out before we go to a listener call or two. I just wanted to ask you, you, you seem to be, you know, you need to run as the Republican nominee here in order to have a chance to win. You need to run and capture, obviously very high percentage of the Republican vote across the state. But you also need to appeal to moderate democrat and lots of the state's independence or unaffiliated voters, which are many of throughout the state. You seem you seem to not be too. Excited to talk about the safe act, but but when you're asked, I'm not exactly sure what your answer is in terms of the gut that gun control legislation, that's been one of the governors top accomplishments that he boasts about at least and and so there was a report today about a town hall you had last night and they didn't quote you directly, but the report said that you said you want to dismantle the safe act, that gun control legislation. So I wanted to give you chance to address that. So then you actually said the governor points of this as chief accomplishment. That's that's a lie to governor traded away. Good major components of the safe act and then claims that that he, he brought about sweeping change, which is partly a ally now, but here's, here's my perspective and I and I offer you this example, I think you'll appreciate it. And certainly listeners where would sometime ago in New York City. New York City has had had the strictest gun control laws in the country for for a period time. It will always probably have the strictest gun control laws in the country. Remember when when when citizens law-abiding citizens, spelt, that that a policy, the stop and frisk policy overstepped, their civil rights, they rose up, spoke out and had the policy over change. And by the way it did infringe on individual law-abiding, Simpson, civil rights. Now, flip the equation and come upstate, where there is a different view of what of gun ownership and what have you. And there are good number of law abiding citizens who now feel and rightfully so that the governor has infringed on their civil rights and therefore there needs to be healthy respective. So my position remains the same that that that you can't. You can't sacrifice people civil rights and serve check a box. And in some ways, the governor has advanced the policy that doesn't fringe on civil rights and at the end of the day that want to be protected respected. And instead what we ought to focus on and and this is this is what I want to stay to focus on is the root causes of violence that the governor is dismantled mental health services across the state of New York. There were people living with severe trauma who believe that that the only way to act violent against themselves or others. We need to have trauman for training crisis intervention training. We need to educate people about the services that are available. So we can prevent incidents of violence and some just as people rose up and spoke out New York City. Eighty and rightfully so had a policy overturned there needs to be equal consideration for those who feel that their civil liberties are being overturned and Ben, I'll offer you and I'll talking on his topic. That's the job of the governor. The governor is supposed to be a protector of the constitutional rights of New Yorkers, and whether I agree with the underlying policy or not, the civil rights of New Yorkers need to be protected. And that is what I expressed upstate, and it's what I expressed downstate for needs to be that healthy respect and a guarantee that the governor will stand up for the civil liberties and the orders. Let's bring in a caller. You are on maximum fee, which a question for Mr. Molinaro thank you, sir. I first of all, do you believe that quality of life is a constitutional right? I have an issue with the sewers in New York, the sewage and the sewer department. There was an independent study conducted that one hundred something like eighty billion dollars or eighty. Five billion needs to be spent now to improve upgrade, rehabilitate our sewers. And that's not going to jump in and let Mr. monarch talk about sewer infrastructure and and other infrastructure. If you'd like. I think it's great and actually has a village mayor. I actually had my hands in a fixing sewer pipe. So I I know little bit about the the way the way this listen, quality of life is a responsibility of both community and government, and we've seen a consistent on devaluation and lack of investment in infrastructure. Here's an example on the the New York state Thruway authority. Seven years ago is at ninety percent state of good repair today at forty percents state of good repair. And so whether it's highways and bridges or sewer pipes and water access, we've allowed in the state of deterioration of the core infrastructure that people rely on and sewer, sewer, infrastructure, watering, wastewater infrastructure is critical to public health and quality of life. So my answer is, yes, we ought to be investing effectively. The governor squandered billions of dollars in settlement revenue came into the state. It should have been focused on infrastructure. We should be investing in those things because by the way, that's how you strengthen communities. It's how you protect quality. And it's how you really make an investment that for the long term of people will pay attention. But you know, the promise, two types there underground and the governor doesn't seem to care about the things that are underground, whether it's a subway tunnel, a water pipe or sewer pipe. Instead, we need these vanity projects, bumper testing and suggests exists. I wanna make sure that the underpinnings of of our community are protected and they were making those smart investments because people rely on them and they deserve it the quickly. We just have a couple more minutes with you. I just wanted to follow up on your your discussion of the safe act there. What civil liberties, particularly you feel like have been violated of of Goan gun owners with the safe act? There there. There is a constitutional right like it or not have held by the the United States constitution, and the governor has has put in place a policy that in some ways takes the the, the rights of law abiding citizens and trashing them. You have a right to certain ownership you ever write to certain ammunition ever right to access firearm where we do agree and and I think we need to be better at is that if you have severe mental health issues, if you knew have a history, violent of a criminal fencer violent activity towards others. Certainly there needs to be restrictions, but then there needs to be do process and a recognition that whether whether it's government trying to protect us against criminals or government attempting to protect us against violence, that you need a healthy respect for the civil rights of New Yorkers. I had the same same concerns regarding the Patriot Act and infringement on on the individual rights of Americans. There needs to be that healthy respect and the governor doesn't seem to care. In fact. When so far as for years ago to say, you know, to write a Saturday, got no place here in New York. That's not what a governor would say. I'll say to your listeners and anyone else. If you're the center of every place to be in New York, I want to place that celebrates out differences and recognize recognizes that the rights of New York City residents or valuables whites upstate New York resident. There needs to be healthy respect and bridge the gap that often defines the the sort of this divide in New York, Mark Molinaro, duchess county executive and candidate for governor. Thank you so much for joining us maximum fee. I'd love to be back. Thanks for having me. Thank you. The redback. And we're back on nine point, five UB a listener sponsored noncommercial radio coming from Brooklyn. You're on max or listening max Murphy with Jared Murphy and Bax Ben, what you think of Mark as he asked us to call? Yes, no, I I've spoken Mark Molinaro before we've, we've covered him bit even though we were focused on the primary, we certainly wanted to give some attention some light to the GOP gubernatorial nominee, which they had decided on months ago the avoided a primary. So he's been clearly the nominee for awhile and he's very good at talking about government about talking about his style of leadership. He's pretty clear at least in the picci's giving about being pragmatic, not being too concerned about party labels and ideology, and I don't know how much that really can carry you through an election. You have to go and talk to voters and tell them what you're gonna do and and like, you know how he talks about listening. I, that's that's a good appealing to hear a elected official candidate say, but you know the. Rubber meets the road when you decide what positions you you back and what your proposals are. Just for those listening might be concerned that Ben and I are focusing only on the top party candidates. Ben has said before, we'll definitely bringing on people from libertarian and green parties to to talk about their campaigns for governor and for hopefully some other seats to. But speaking of the people in the in the top two parties people or written off Mark Molinaro he faces much like Cynthia. Nixon did income a governor with tremendous operation with a lot of money. But I did some math today and I looked in over the past three elections in New York state. The vote margin by which Democrats one has shrunk every time. It was one point, eight million when Eliot Spitzer one one point, four million when Cuomo is elected the first time only five hundred thousand last time. There's a lot behind that story. Differing degrees of enthusiasm, different turn out different kinds of opponents, but the gap. Up is not on closeable. I don't think I'm glad you did that math. I felt all along that his candidacy should not be dismissed just like Cynthia, Nixon Kennedy Kennedy shouldn't have been dismissed impart because these are people taking up the challenge. They're serious, you know people with policy propose cetera, but for monarch now that we look at the general, is there a path to victory? Yeah, it's is it a narrow one probably, but as your math indicates and some other factors indicate, this is this is a race and you know, we, we need to see what happens in the next few weeks. We need to take a look at some of the public polling that might come out, but does he face a major enrollment disadvantage, of course, but they're all those independence out there. There are a lot of moderate Democrats, and there's also a lot of Liberal Democrats who didn't vote for Cuomo in the primary and we don't know what they're gonna do. We don't know if they're gonna go to how hawk. CNN's the green party candidate who is saying a ready, hey, Cynthia Nixon voters. I'm your guy and we'll get a chance to talk with him. I believe next week, correct? Yes. So you know, there's a lot to be determined Molinaro of very good candidate at least in the early going. So so there's a lot to be determined and and there's also Cuomo fatigue that possibly out there right among the general election, he did very well in the primary or very solidly, and you know, we need to see what the general election turnout looks like. We didn't get to this really with Molinaro. Sorry, we didn't have time, but the Trump factor is also going to weigh him down big though.

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"Apparently I don't know Mike Breen"

The Tony Kornheiser Show

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"Apparently I don't know Mike Breen"

"Previously on the tony kornheiser show when after what was an incredibly long booth review. It appears if you'll presidential election has been jordan leader mitch. mcconnell said. The electoral college has spoken so today. I want to congratulate. President elect joe biden so great. Wouldn't it be so great if you saw guys in referee shirts for the last four weeks and they're just looking at it and you heard tony romo say well this angle from this angel. Sure i'm not sure. Take it off the headset. Tony kornheiser show is on now so as luck would have it. I enjoyed that bit so much. And i was so surprised by it and nigel's dexterity and putting it in their made me so happy that i emailed tom friedman of the new york times with what we had done and how we had cast it and i said well what would you expect from. Sports writers that they would certainly know how to do that and make it instant replay and he just thought it was brilliant. He laughed wide. Oh he replied. He said his great yes. Great to what. Why would you think he wouldn't reply. Most here your emails. Just sort of linger. Yeah yeah no he replied he replied so. I was very happy about that. We've got a lot of things michael's here. We've got a lot of small things today that i wanted to get to one large from upstate. I'm going to get to that. I'm going to get to that. The snow in binghamton new york. I'm going to get to that. But the first thing i want to get to is that we got this lovely card. It's absolutely lovely. Merry christmas from the van hooks. And it's a father a mother and two children and on the back. It says two thousand and twenty has been like no year before and that is true for our family as well by the way they live in florida and then it says graham and it mentions graham so michael has asked story here. Explain what am i assumed. It was mike a card from michael. What am i good friends. Who now lives in philly with his lovely wife and their now two kids named graham. Who at our wedding was in the wedding ceremony. So i get to the chair. And i see this card waiting for me to add. Says it's from your friend. Gram grams from graham. But it's not. It's not graham williams. So graham van hook says grant and i should have read more because i would have known from the next sentence. Graham took command of the uss tornado in may and was deployed over the summer to south america via the panama canal. We welcomed our daughter. Charlie on may thirty first and she and brother jackson kept katie. Busy while dad was away. Were extremely excited to announce that we'll be back in the mid atlantic in two thousand and twenty one moving to washington d c. Grandma will take a job with the house and senate appropriations committee as liaison to the navy and katie will finally be living in the city where she works. We wish everyone a very happy and healthy holiday season we continue to thank god for the life and family he has blessed us with. It's lovely. it's absolutely lovely. But i don't know them. I mean maybe. I know them. And i'm just forgetting them and michael doesn't know them but here here's the question to the van hooks as it is addressed to the kornheiser family. Nasa tony not to tony. Carol right and it's not your address right. So what do i do with that. It would yes it would. That's exactly right. It was not my address. But it's close enough that it's going to get to the correct street with the correct mail carrier to get to your house. Wanda knows what she's doing. Yeah right it was not so anyways so thank you hooks now now. This is the preload to what. I'm going to talk about with binghamton. This is from samuel israel and binghamton. He's a senior. This comey's senior. Now he's gonna graduate in twenty one. I'm a senior at binghamton university. Who's a contributor to the sports section of pipe dream. I recently wrote an article about purchasing a cardboard cutout for the binghamton home games. I thought i'd send you the article in case you wanted to check it out. I think you'll enjoy it as a fellow long islander who attended binghamton university in spires to be a sports talk show hosts like yourself by a fan that being said it would mean a lot to me. If you've found some time to check it out even tried inc so just said imagine going to the free throw line in a close game you look up on the stand. You see a cardboard cut out of your dog. Sporting binghamton gear. It may sound crazy but amid the covid nineteen pandemic. This is a reality that student athletes will now face during home games at the events center. Remember that those two words events centre although bearcat fans may not be able to attend games in person for the foreseeable future that won't stop fans from making their presence felt at home games. Thanks to an effort led by athletics ticket. Sales manager mike jesse fans can purchase cardboard cutouts of themselves to be placed into the event center stance. It's on a website. Their seventy dollars each said once we get your order. It's to turn around until you're in the stands here at the events center on the site fans love the option to upload a personalized photo display. That will be placed in the events center. The cutouts will be placed in the west chair back sections and won't be visible on camera for the television broadcasts therefore if you tune into espn plus or espn three. I didn't even know we had three. You may get a chance to see your cut out an action. at least one. Notable alumnus has taken advantage of the opportunity one binghamton university's most famous alumni. Espn's pardon the interruption co hosts tony kornheiser class seventy purchase cutouts of family for the stands at be used. Cortege was sports editor. The colonial news which later became pipedream. Kornheiser discussed the cutouts on the november sixteenth. Show that you know the podcast. You get to be there for the whole season. Kornheiser said i sent in a check for more than required money. And i said do what you want with the rest of my money. It's my school. Do what you want with it. His co host and son michael corn you mentioned on air that he called jesse to figure out the requirement for the photos. Yes nice reflecting on the process. Jesse was pleased to witness the engagement from cornell and many other fans. It's been good to hear from a lot of bearcat fans current past alumni. Been inside so it just goes on and on so. It's you know it's very nice to have done that. And mma jesse says you can put up your dog your cat. Whoever wants to cheer on the bearcats or your grandson. It looks like he's looking for flowers in a field. That's exactly right. You can do that now. Why do i bring this up because the other day when washington. Dc got two inches of snow. Vestal new york got forty one inches of snow forty one inches of snow. Which is what we like to call buffalo. You would say well wears vestal. Well vessels actually were binghamton. University is it is not in the city of binghamton. Although it is named for binghamton it is in the town of vessel which is just next door to binghamton. You drive route seventeen for a mile. You're in binghamton okay. It was so severe that the roof collapsed on me. Athletic center is collapsed. No i don't know to what degree it's collapsed or how and when it will be repaired or if it's just a hair or something like that but if it is collapsed and this is where i gave graduation speech if it's collapsed in basketball games buzi and the hammer currently under snow there. Yeah they're not making it out. No so there's there's none of that. So i thought here's where it gets interesting. Aren't they supposed to host their most hated rival stony brook this weekend. Well that's happened. We'll stick out. I would like to know where stony brook's team was wednesday evening with a they deliberately loosened the bolts. Maybe they left a hose on foss wanting to get an ice layer just unbelievable it just collapsed and again. I don't know to what degree it collapsed. I should probably call harvey stinger but so is one inches. Social media tweets out like pres- harvey made it to campus. Hope to see you here. Yeah he can make it. You can make it so forty. One inches is just astonishing. Right at snow. Angel was forty one inches of snow in binghamton. They closed the section of i eighty one. They closed it. It was impassable so anyway in other news from felipe. Philippe cash who signs phil from switzerland. As if we know that. I'm a longtime listener. Big fan show and pti. From switzerland. i. Just listen to you. Talking about roger federer in switzerland. I'm really proud that you spend so much time on small switzerland. But i want to clear up a few things because i said what is switzerland famous for its famous for heidi. It's famous for private numbered bank accounts and for swiss miss hot cocoa which was probably manufactured new jersey on running shoes. Yeah is that what. It's what were those. Okay case was. Yeah that's right k. swiss is. Yeah that's tennis gear right. I your rights. Swiss miss not from switzerland famous Brands or linter toblerone toblerone like lint besides chocolate a numbered bank accounts. We're also famous for watches and army knives. Second is that so geneva is switzerland. And that's where. The great watchers are philippe. Petek is yes is made fixing your watch. Yeah of course second. Roger federer was voted greatest swith athlete in the past seventy years because they give out the award best athlete of the year every year since nineteen fifty. Obviously federer's swiss athlete ever. I think he'd be the greatest athlete for many countries bigger than switzerland. We're successful sports nation in regard to our size especially in winter sports like skiing bobsled across country. You might also know mark street and roman josi as former and current nhl players. Maybe you remember harry potter look-alike ski jumper simon ammann who won four olympic gold medals. Two of them in salt lake city. We have world class athletes in each sports. Like danielle reef in the ironman or nino shorter and mountain biking other swiss athletes you might know or nba players clin cappella and and. I didn't know that on a side note. Ben rothlisberger has swiss roots and he said finally. I would like to be the official. Tony kornheiser show swiss sports expert. Do we have any other candidates for that. Nigel or is it going to be phil. Because i think it'll be phil. Yeah i think feels. That looked up. Yeah okay so. I want to get to one other thing. Which is sort of amazing from dr tom. O'brien in rockville maryland. It was great to hear mike. Breen's name on your show wednesday. He grew up in my neighborhood near mclean and central in yonkers on the border with the bronx with degan becomes the new york state thruway. All the boys were good athletes and love sports. One empire to my little league way before younger people did that kind of thing. Mike was in the class ahead of me at saint pauls the boys from his class in mine as well as some public school kids hung in the school yard. We played typical new york games such as ring alleviate. Stickball dog pile as we age. We were not the kind you wanted your daughters to hang out with if you know what i mean. One day we were acting really stupid. And mike just turned to us and said i can't hang with you guys anymore. Well he said it would different words that he would not want to mention here. We watched as he walked away. There were no hard feelings. I think it was the single most brilliant move in an absolute brilliant life. We love mike and all that he has become my kids. Get sick when i pointed to tv. And before i can say it they blurt out. We know you went to school with them. We would see him walk to get his dad the daily news as we grew up and he would always stop by and talk about being on the radio etc. Some guys have gone courtside to talk to him at the garden. It's amazing we all grew up survived into well for ourselves but we will always consider mike one of ours. He's totally self made like the rest of our counterpart guys and another one from andrew bronson in a royal. That was a very nice gesture by mike breen to give personalized titles. But if you listen to the show. Shouldn't he know that you played pinnacles. Which is now. Let me tell you the rest of the story was not mike. Breen sent those it. Was adam mandel somehow in mandel texted me about three or four times somehow on my phone where all the communication is through texts. Atta mandl's number was identified as my brains. It is possible that might bring has never talked to me in my life. It's possible so. I thought it was outta mandel. It's possible that might bring did. It's definite that mike breen didn't send the golf balls. It's possible that mike breen who who's now undoubtedly been told that kornheiser. Thank you for. The golf balls is looking at someone saying well. What are you talking about. This is all possible. I'd like to talk to my brain about this. But my number mike breen is adam mandel so just get adam who i like very much. Adam works for the great jillian done before the name does it. Say maybe because sometimes your phone will go through previous communications and add the name of sometimes. It says maybe at a mandel okay. I think we've we've saw. What does that mean for my breen. Is it possible. I would have just walked to my. I certainly don't have as number theory that i've never came to see how long this has been going on. And i thought this was mike breen and it's again. It's possible that mike breen is saying i've never met him. I know who he is. I don't know him at all. Why would i send him golf. Balls now mike breen. I've often said on this show when i first started listening to the show. Mike breen was hysterically. Funny doing the news and sports right. Nigel great my brings great. I think it's great talent. I i don't take back. Anything i said about working with jackson. Ben gundy i think. It's a terrific telecast and i really liked mike breen but apparently i don't know mike bring and i've been dining out on this wrongly for a while. What do you make of this. i'm just stupid. it's that you're stupid. I feel bad for adamant this senior. That's why how long has this been going on. Because i'm guessing upwards of three or four years. Oh i don't know. It's no no because i only met adam a couple of years ago. No not three or four years. He's now you always. You always have to be careful and says may because it means it's gone through emails and it's just trying to connect the dots for you so you can create a new contact. What do i do about breen. We gotta get a real number for so we gotta get a number of get a number for bringing it's easy. It's just it's not that hard anyway. So those are the things. I wanted to catch everybody up on Did you see the videos of charlie and tiger woods from their practice rounds. I saw on sportscenter this morning. Charlie woods swing his tremendous. It's like teeth over eleven. It's like tiger meets. Justin thomas will which is their first round pairing the speed that this kid has and then the follow through and the finnish dna genetics. It's gotta be right. It's it's great. It's it's the man out will he. 'cause it's easy. Tiger woods is his dad. Tigers comments where he goes. I just want to be happy. And then you start thinking where tiger has been. You actually believe more you say. He can do anything he wants. I want him to be happy. And i want golf to be something that he's asking me to do. I we'll take a break when we come back. Jason lockenfora right. That's right okay. Great jason lockenfora. Our best when we return. I'm tony kornheiser. Is the tony kornheiser show. The christmas season is officially upon us. And while there's a lot about the holidays it feels different this year. I know one thing that might make them just a little bit brighter. Wonder woman one thousand nine hundred. Eighty four is coming out on december twenty fifth and you'll have two ways to experience the epic adventure in theaters and streaming exclusively on. Hbo max believe in wonder again with gal. Gadoe chris. pine kristen wig and pedro. Pascal wonder woman. Nineteen eighty-four is rated. Pg thirteen sure to be a wonderful way to celebrate the holiday season with ones. You love nigel. Did you get parts of this wrong when we talked about this movie this is the sequel to the original wonder woman that was a very big hit about three years ago. Three or four years ago right. Yes i mistakenly thought that it was like time travel. That's how they got back to nine hundred ninety four but no the actual movie just takes place in one thousand nine hundred four. That's where we get it from. So i did have that wrong. A couple of things. Linda looks tremendous great. The original wonder woman apparently has a role in this. And i found out the correct pronunciation for that actress. Gal godot as i thought it was. Its galaxy note galvano dote. Yes the tea in that gal wrote yes. There's a hard tea at the end of it. Yes all right so you got two things wrong. You got two things wrong. If we're counting right led me you led me into a terrible rabbit hole. Mispronouncing her name and getting the movie room okay. Great great thanks. You're listening to the tony kornheiser. Show elliott olshansky from suffolk. County sends this along been listening for a long time emailing for a long time. He says once again this year. It's my pleasure to send along a song by six. Thirteen to celebrate hanukkah. This song. she nam is from the groups. Most recent album volume eight lights was written by your fellow binghamton. Alum mike boxer along with the son max. Iv chinachem means baseless. Love is intended to offer an alternative to so much of the we see in the world. Today isn't that nice lights. Which is the album also includes three parody songs that i wrote lyrics for the good latest parody. Video are janaka is based on the music of arianna grounding and was released on youtube last week. Isn't that nice. This is you did this. Michael in highschool to this level. No good well you were good at. What was the name of alpha males. Yeah that's really nice. So thank you. Elliot i'll ski for that. Many plays jason lockenfora before we get to jason. I have this from. John headman lawrence kansas as a native baltimore on now living in kansas. I agree that jason lockenfora is your best guest on my pandemic walks. When i'm up to date on your podcast. And i turned to jason on one zero five point seven the fan on radio dot com. But i do miss chasing ending his segment making copper bark by speaking baltimore police for me. He bought a bit of home to the plains of kansas and he signs it thanks on. So that's good. It's jason you feel. I'm honored i'm humble. I believe i can speak for my dog to say that he feels the same way paddock. Oh and things and copper is the Canine extension of me. So no. that's awesome. No that that is i'm again i'm honored. I'm touched up thankful to be here with you guys as always. That's good jason. let us start with. What did we learn last night because it appears that the raiders are in full fledged collapse at this point. Yeah they are It's kinda like they were six and four last year. And i didn't believe in them to the degree that i believed in this offense. I didn't really believe in this football team. 'cause there was nothing with the defense to believe in but i did believe that they were a highly functioning offense But you know tone. Football's not played. Like i if there are at these Sub genres of football football. Football takes all three phases cliche or not and they tend to bleed over into other aspects of play. And when your defense is failing and your offense has limitations but but by and large especially you're passing game is thriving. Eventually it's all kind of intertwined and one phase affects others and they reached a point where the defense was was so suboptimal that i believe it started to affect the offense and i believe jogger and fighters defensive coordinator that just to send a message to defense that. This isn't good enough. But i think even more to the point the senate a message to the offense that i hear you i feel you. You're my guys i get. What's going on here. Which is you. You've reached the point where you think you have to be Perfect you think you have to be better than you are just to keep us in these games. Just to keep our season alive and Having the score thirty five points thirty eight points or you know forty something points. Depending on the opponent any given week is it really fair to you guys either and and and they have started to melt down they have started to take a step back They've started to succumb to turnovers and and and forcing the ball around where they probably. Shouldn't i think in large part because what they were doing which was very good. Still wasn't good enough and there. Was this fear that next week. We've got to score seven more points or ten more points and and then the whole sort of house of cards falls down and obviously you know mariota playing last night and everything that went on was was was not the way. They wanted to be finishing their season but they play miami next week. I i don't think that's a recipe for success And yeah they've they've fallen. They've fallen off the table. So here's john grooten. Who has gotten the offense up to number eleven and it was started out at twenty eight first year by sturdier. It's up to eleven. He's fixed the offense by and large as you say the defense is still terrible. I understand the bleed over factor. This is jon. Gruden is in no danger. We've got to deal. He's in no danger. But do you have confidence in his ability to get this team to wear. It is consistently gold not entirely. You know that set there mike. Mayock has never done this before and They've invested a lot of draft picks and in defense and not a lot of them are Looking like impact football players you know and they they take the kid feral as high as they do and You know jacob scrape pick you know where they got them nice player I feel like they've they've done a decent job of hitting one side of the ball but not really the other you know Gruden gruden is an offensive guy in gruden knows what he needs on that side of the ball but gruden's always had some blind spots defensively and i suspect this is another offseason where they're going to invest a lot of Human capital draft texan and money on free agents on defensive players. But i i don't see a whole lot there. I mean some of the guys. They've they've drafted in the secondary slash here and there. But i don't know. I think they need pass rushers. I think they need one stuffers I think they need a lot of help over there. Let me let me turn this to something else. Because you mentioned miami. Brian flores has a game i guess it's a little. He can breathe a little bit easier because what happened. Last night to the raiders. But he's got baltimore worrying about in miami this game probably for his season. He is playing against his mentor. Bill belichick who beat him. I think in the first or second game of the year. Miami is a much better team now but bella check is also twenty one and five against rookie. Quarterback's i got this stat the other day doing. Pti and two is rookie quarterback. That's say real big aim. What are you thinking yeah. I think it's a huge game for the for the dolphins and a huge game for the ravens. There's no doubt about it Miami wins this game. i i believe the. They'll be a bad raiders. Defense next week and then week seventeen. I don't think by the time we get the week. Seventeen tone. I don't think buffalo will have anything to play for. Buffalo wins at denver. This week they clinched the division. I think by week. Sixteen buffalo is locked into a playoff spot or spots If they don't have a path to the first overall c. And i suspect they will then. That's their week. 'cause there's only one by this week which means miami goes you know up the bulk flow and yeah those elements won't be perfect for them You know from a weather standpoint. But i don't think buffalo's jv team so this game could end up deciding the seventh and final playoff participants in the afc because baltimore is playing jacksonville and then a giants team which is now. They're going to win it. Issues and Has quarterback issues and then Baltimore finished with a very bad cincinnati. So this is. This is a massive game You're right bell. Check generally has a little something for rookie quarterbacks and ballot check. I can tell you this. She's not going to the playoffs. But bill check does not want to have a losing season. He does not want people to say. Oh when you don't have brady your loser at the very least he wants to go five hundred And certainly he is not a guy who would people leave. The nest is all about Building them a watching them succeed basking in their success. No he wants them to fail. I'm the guy man. I created you. You have the audacity to leave and you have the audacity to leave and stay in my division off with their heads so And they're still not completely you know they. They started have a little something to play for. this'll be a very interesting football game. I there's a part of me that feels like they could run the ball forty five times that can tire out. That defense in the second half miami does of a good defense And and ho have a trick or two for two of that. Although that kid has not turned the ball over and although that kid played the best football of his life in the second half against the chiefs it was almost enough to lead a comeback from thirty two. Ted this will be a little different spot. And they weren't expected to beat the chiefs but now they probably feel like they have to beat the patriots. If this whole thing is is going to come to fruition. And they're going to Punctuate the rebuild with a playoff parrots. This to me is one of the most fascinating games of the week. And and i gather is a part of me. That feels like this is the kind of spot where bella checked puts call and somebody's stocking so i'm gonna give you a game. That is not an important game at all really isn't the giants and the browns. It's not an important game but it has this delicious irony that freddie kitchen freddie kitchens who coached the browns for an hour and a half and was terrible choice from the moment he was named. And i said this on said there's a one year guy. And i've never been more right on that guy. But he gets to call the plays because jason garrett has down with the corona virus call the plays against his former team. That's that's pretty cool right. i mean what. What are you hoping for in that. One I this is. This is a game with with with. I don't think it's the worst game of the week or anything like that by by a long shot because the giants are still fighting for division carter browns if the browns lose this game. They're in trouble because baltimore swept them so baltimore has the head to head tiebreaker. So there there's a scenario that exists for miami. You know that takes care of business at baltimore runs the table. And if the browns slip up the browns don't get in And the browns after this game. Play the jets next week which i don't think i mean i. The browns play sea level. See bindis deep loss. Game probably still win and then the browns week seventeen play the steelers and if the steelers win against the bengals this week they clinched the division and maybe pittsburgh still playing for a number one eight in week seventeen. I think it's much more likely given all their injuries. How much they're lifting around. How bad their quarterback looks how bad their entire looks. I think it's far more likely that week. Seventeen is there by week. And and because of the age and because of The the pr the productivity or lack thereof by the quarterback. I think tomlin is giving everybody. He can possibly give the week off in week. Seventeen so this is another one. Where if if the browns are going to stub their toe Much like the dolphins. It probably happens right here in week. Fifteen if it happens at all yeah giants have a really good defense but bradberry. You know that the corner is one of the top two or three players in you know. He's on the car The covid restricted list now As well as jason garrett in this situation you never know about an hour and day to day. Who else may join them. By the time we get to kick off the browns offense. I mean you look at what they did in the first half against tennessee in the second half against bottom on you put those two together. That's about as dominant of an offensive performance. As you're going to get. I mean tony of the second. Half against baltimore's thirty nine plays Two hundred ninety yards. Twenty eight points. they were averaged seven point four yards per play the only time they got off the field in the second half was the first downs Interception that feel through to ties. How's it then. There's no doubt about that. i'll give you. I'll get you out of here on this because it's an it's an analogous game to the giants and browns really. It's washington in seattle playoff implications. Both ways do you take the washington football team seriously. At this point. I take the defense seriously. Kate chase young seriously. I sweat seriously. I take a pain seriously. i take jonathan allen seriously enough That that front is legit I was never a big math guy. Tone. i was more of a history and english guy. But i do know this much. I know this equation when my four can beat your six. I'm gonna win some games. Then if i'm now forcing my forest forcing you to keep seven or more into block that i'm now taking you out of your office. I'm taking you away from what you wanna do in modern football i'm taking you out of spread formations. I'm taking you out of attacking my secondary the way you would like to. I'm now forcing your modus operandi on offense to be protecting your quarterback from my four and that numbers game works in the favour of anybody any any defensive coordinator and football coach. I think boston's playing the best football of his career They're getting a little more into the linebacker. So now it's not just a fun for its front seven And and that's able to cover up a lotta awards and now it's not just a defensive fear but it's also a scoring defense when you put the ball on the ground when you fumble when you hear footsteps and you tipped the ball up in the air and they catch it they can take it to the house and they're they're probably going to have to do that. A time or two more data is really really limited. I mean even what. Alex smith in there and he protects the football and he does a lot of good things but the last month. He's averaging five point seven yards per attempt. I mean there's teams in this league. Run it for over five yards passing game. Five point seven Getting gibson back at some point would be huge. You have the chance to hit a home run on the ground because you're not gonna hit a lot of home runs through the through the air Maybe you get carries hands You know on a their own slant a few times and he picks up a bunch of yak yak is absolutely imperative for them down just to have some explosive plays where they get themselves in better field position where they flip the script of the game But but there there there are limitations there that haskins can just protect the football. They'll be some games though. There's there's no doubt about that. Seattle doesn't have an elite offensive line and russell has turned it over quite a bit. This year six games. Yeah wave for the work. Cost them to see him doing And as much as as washington has limitations on offense seattle is limitations will defend. So i if i was playing this game i would probably take the points and i think washington can hang around and It'll it'll be. What are these games that comes down who turns it over Who does not okay for by the way for families. That are listening when jason refers to yak. He's not talking about a giant animal. That looks like a buffalo news. Talk about yards after catch just in case kids are saying what is yak daddy Plug show for us not Not up shocking either. Yeah we want you to If you if this was not a sufficient if you do not get your fill of me yacking than pleased to one five. Seven the fan or check out the radio dot com app from two to six jason lockenfora. Ken an inside access. One zero five seven the fan. We will be talking all things baltimore sports and plenty of of nfl in general as well and our producer cordell. Woodland is a huge supporter of the washington football team. So we always talk a little bit of that too. you guys for having me. Happy holidays is always youtube. Jason talk to you soon. Jason lockenfora boys and girls with his dog copper used to barkan through copper through his hips out then he had to have an operation so jason doesn't want him to bark anymore which is why he doesn't do the baltimore accent. We will take a break. Jeff ma will pick some games when we return them. He was two in three last week. I believe everybody had well. All the humans had a bad and carville carvel's done for the year. I mean he's like yeah everyone out. Yeah he opted out to get ready for the pros. He opted out i that i understand. I'm tony kornheiser. You're listening to the tony kornheiser show. This is the butcher box yet. I don't really need it. I mean. 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If people like you'll you wanna send in or have their best friend sending their music and give us permission to use it. How do they do it. Send us music by emailing jingles at tony. Kornheiser show dot com to wonderful musical interludes today. Absolutely wonderful julia. Plays jeff ma jeff last week. What was jeff last week. You two and three. I think jeff right. I was two and three. Which means that over oil. At this point you are thirty. Three thirty three and three. That's unbelievable you're right out the number. That's just terrific. That's terrific so. I have a question for chuck todd from chuck todd for you and he talked about the fact that when there's like you've done a lot with the jets when there's a double digit underdog and the jets are getting seventeen this week against the rams. He said thirty years ago. You bet the dog all the time. The last five years though. He believes that the favorites are covering in these games. Do you have any you feel about that or statistics about that. That there's been a swing in those sorts of games recently Yeah i mean. I think the recently yeah i think fairly in earlier on Double digit dogs covered at a pretty good clip. But you know what's basically happening in. A lot of these situations is as people have been able to track this much more. They've looked at these kind of situations and they. All markets tend towards efficiency over time so double digit dogs have no longer become something that you sort of blindly. But i don't think you're blindly running the other way either so I think it's one of those things that overtime and one of the things about nfl season. You know it's sixteen games for each team which generally is a small sample size. People have a hard time understanding that. But like you know. There's just not that many games into the fall season. So that's why when you actually model games from analytical standpoint you have to break them down into units that are smaller than games so that you have more sample size. I e claes such To the point of betting. Nigel said before we went on that. You had observed something in cleveland baltimore game which was a great game on monday night. Absolutely great game that baltimore one at the end on a justin tucker field goal and then they added a safety so they won by five baltimore. Baltimore obviously covered in that situation. What happened late with the line. Well it was. It was a fascinating game in many ways right because there were a bunch of things that happened in that game That influence the betting lines or the the the outcome in terms of a betting standpoint. So the game was was even at one point And then got sort of that all the way up to baltimore minus three so that there you are. You have baltimore minus three. You have a situation where baltimore was up by two touchdowns and then cleveland scores to you. Know to get it to eight and then they go to at that point. Tony you do you understand that logic or are you in the camp that that doesn't make any sense. That cleveland up by eight goes for two. Is that what you're asking up. Baltimore's up by fourteen clear-eyed scores a touchdown to make it the only point deficit instead of just kicking the extra point. They go for two. This is the new analytics thing. Everyone does oh. This is analytics. And i think a lot of people don't quite understand why they do this so i think you know. Please explain explain. The reason they do. This is because essentially it gives you a better chance to win the game Because one of the things that people don't understand about the sort of two point math is that tying the game actually only gives you about you know tying the game and then actually like giving the ball to the other team gives you a less than fifty percent chance to win so if you go for two at that point actually giving yourself a chance to win in regulation now. The problem is that cleveland did this with fourteen minutes left. Usually you wanna do this with you. Know when there's only going to be one possession by the team right right but the whole point of this and and actually The espn team did a great job. Steve steven steve levy did a great job explaining that you wanna avoid going to overtime. 'cause a lot of people believe going overtime is equates to winning right. It's the same reason that you know people kick field goals off when they should probably just go for it. You wanna try to win the game and regulation. 'cause overtime is at best. A fifty fifty fifty fifty opportunity. Well look what happened last night in overtime. Kick a field goal. And you think you're safe. And then the charges go right down the field. They've got seven yard pass play right and they ended up putting it in and they win. Yeah they went and the other thing the other thing that happened. That cleveland game was that safety right. Because essentially what happens at that point. Is you baltimore by three points. And then the safety of the end of the game completely swings because yes you know baltimore had been a three point favorite as we mentioned so a lotta people that had that baltimore or cleveland late would have just been pushing at that point but then you get that safety and puts to a point where basically everyone that bet baltimore would was winning. And if you bet. Cleveland you feel when you're crazy. Give what you got this week so this week we're going to start with See here We're gonna go with First of all the new england patriots plus the to This is actually a very interesting game. Because i think I lost. you could say this is crazy. But it's mostly a testament to miami being a bit of overrated team and You know new. England obviously played this team in the first week of the season and then one ran over pretty comfortably. And so you know if you think about the fact that we're saying that home-field isn't worth very much You ain't gonna probably should be favored in this game as strange as that. Sounds but Miami has gone a lot of you know There's a lot of buzz about them. Being sort of a much better elite team this year. But i i don't think there is nearly as good as people think they are. New england's younger should be favored in this game. Okay what else may take houston plus the seven and a half Think this is just too many points. I mean this is like the build up. is that like you houston has quit And then you know that that is built into the line here that they've just kind of they're just gonna kinda give up because they have nothing network but in the nfl often this is just not the case like teams still continue to play as hard as as they would like. There's just this this you know. These guys are professionals and they still want to win this game. I seven and a half is too many points against indianapolis okay. We're gonna take your team the football team plus the six against seattle. Obviously this line is is is much higher because of pathogens versus smith. Yes but honestly like. I'm not i'm not sure in what world that that happens. Is that much worse than smith as the most conservative You know he he gives you the the the least upside and i think with the defense that might have been what they really wanted Haskins him has higher variants. And i honestly think that this is a he gives them a better chance to win this game. It may not be a situation where he gives them better chance to cover but he gives them a better chance to win. This game in this line is just inflated and and honestly you wanna bet washington you might might as well wait because it seems like it's going to continue to go up okay. what else. He got We're going to new orleans. The three and a half against kansas city Everyone now is actually jumping off the hill bandwagon. But he was not the reason they lost that game. The reason they lost that game was that first half where it probably didn't have a lot of understanding of what to do against hurts and and their defense played poorly. I mean there's no use for what they get from defensive standpoint but I still believe that this is a situation where tasting him. he'll play well and and i mean listen. Kansas city is the best team in the league. But again like. I think this is situation. Where new orleans. Plus the three and a half new orleans is probably the second best team in the nfl I just like them getting the points here. Okay for us yet. Lost one is going to be minnesota minus three These two teams. Are you know not. It's funny because this is like a loser leaves home You know game. But i i like minnesota the way they're you know they played Towards the end of the season whereas like chicago's besides last week has been kind of trending down In in minnesota here as a three point favorite the thank you. Jeff jeff and rufus. Peabody are doing a podcast called bet the process the only one. I might disagree with here. Because i don't think chicago's any good at all. I don't know. I think. Kansas city's kansas city. Wins all the time you know what i mean. They just look like the best team in football. Don't they do you. They look like the best team. I mean they are the best team in football so again. This isn't a matter of like me saying. Kansas city's that it's just a matter of me saying three nine points Against what. I consider to be the second best team in football that You know arguably needs a real bounceback here and neither narratives about the numbers would say that. This line should be less than three and a half In the that three number that three threshold this big so get three points. Yeah the half. The half is meaningful. Thank you jeff. Talk to you next week. Jeff ma boys and girls. We will take a break. We'll come back with email and jingle when we return. I am tony. Kornheiser is the tony kornheiser. Show low year comes. Tony's we got your nose We read only or you've well maybe not your smart more phone. A who spark shaefer. Right and the schaefer ritz at some point or is that just march shafer with his own voice time and time again. That's lovely nigel. Why didn't you do the bethesda bagel. ed. Thank you mr tony. S bethesda bagels. We'd love them. 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Midnight Shifts & Mental Health with Dr. John Violanti

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51:46 min | 11 months ago

Midnight Shifts & Mental Health with Dr. John Violanti

"Before we get started we WanNa thank Purple Investigations for sponsoring PD stories. Get a free purple pillow with the purchase of a mattress when you text. Pd eight four. Eight eight eight and download best fiends free on the apple APP store or Google play. This episode will include sensitive content. Please visit the show notes for more details and listen at your own discretion welcome to PD stories. I'm Tom Morris Junior your host and today on PD stories were interviewing professor. John v Allante all of a sudden. I'm driving come over this hill. And there's a car parked perpendicular across to Lange. All of her lights off. Dombi Allante is an internationally known expert on police stress. He's a researcher and a police veteran. Who served as a New York State Police Trooper for twenty three years when you get out there and you see von. Takes Utah on recycling? And if you're not careful you can develop push stress disorder. Apparently John is research professor of epidemiology and Environmental Health at university at Buffalo School of Public Health and health professions. We need to do something about this. We need to establish some programs to help officers get through stuff because nobody is helping them John. Welcome to the show thank you. It's good to be here. What made you want to become a police officer? Well I think probably all started when I was a young lad. Maybe the fourth grade. I remember the school that I went to Had this program where they would make you a crossing guard Marshall and they would give the great looking white belt that you would. You would put on and you would help the kids across the street during recess times and when I did that I enjoyed The fact that that was Helping people be shaver and It kind of put me on a pathway of doing something like that. Yeah you join the military at nineteen and understand. You told the recruiter that you wanted to be a police officer in the military correct. Oh yes I did. Yes I did and I signed up for the United States. Army put in two years As a military police officer during the Vietnam War I had not GONNA Vietnam. Actually they had sent me to West Point to propel military police duty at West Point and while I was there you know even though we were not involved directly in that war We felt a war. We felt Vietnam and the reason I say that is that part of our duties at West. Point was to conduct military funerals and Maybe two or three times a week a we saw these young second lieutenants coming back and and we had to bury them and we saw what it did to the family and It was a tragic time in. I've really never forgotten those times. And how that affected me and the other Mp's worked in West Point so you came out of the military in nineteen sixty five and then decide to become a New York state trooper. Yes I just went from being a military officer to being a recruit if you WANNA call it that In the state place in interstate police. Mistake Police Academy training a lot of people. Don't understand that the state police are sort of a para military style. Police Force Much like the military What attracted you to becoming a state trooper as opposed to another type of municipal police officer training That I'd heard about is exemplary. And you know it's six months long and rigorous and it it you're right. It's it's built on military structure. Sometimes we'd go for a a little three mile run at about four o'clock in the morning which was always fun but about part of part of the training They taught they taught us how to deal with with stress and how to do things quickly and And be good officers so you spent most of your career on New York state. Thruway detail working. The nightshift right worked midnight shift for almost eight years. It was but it was tough but actually I liked it. I mean that sounds weird I know but Had A partner you had somebody to talk to you We did a lot of good work. You know we did a lot of work with with Dwi meanwhile toxic aided You know which is very dangerous Type of violation we didn't and It was good. We almost have your own little sort of community out there on night. Shift you see the same people. The same toll collectors stop and rest area and you know the the same cooks and waitresses are there Recall once we We stopped My partner was my partners for three and we stopped at this rush area out near Rochester and I told I told the Cook. It's my my partner's birthday so she whipped shelf A quick cake and she gives them the cake. And you know that's that's a kind of a camaraderie. We had on through a in the middle of the night and damage enjoyable and there are a lot of things that happened. There were were tragic but Having that community help us get through that. Now what was it like? Patrolling The New York State through way at night. Driving three hundred and fifty miles. I mean that's a mind blowing amount of driving. That's like driving. From what D C Two I dunno Albany Arizona them. It's a long ways right. Yeah yes it is and of course of the week. We drove from Buffalo to Florida. Wow let me put it that way. We had a signpost and our posts. Were probably twenty twenty to thirty miles long and if a trooper had to go off for some reason maybe unrest We had to cover that troopers post so I had a post wants that went from buffalo all the way to East of Rochester. And I was supposed to cover that post got or and every hour. What is that. That's that's just about eighty miles. Okay so I had to cover that every hour and I I couldn't do that and You know supervision realized that. You can't possibly do that every hour. So when we you know in the sergeant got on the radio he said listen we understand. What's going on or the troopers involved with an investor you're GONNA have to cover this Don't worry about the hour. Just make sure you cover your post and we did once in a while. The most were just Impossible to cover and we couldn't do it we made. We made a lot of love arrests out there especially drugs in the through as an interstate road. And a Lotta. Times drugs moved through and We We're conscious of the fact that this was happening. I thank you got some additional eyes and ears out there to the toll booth operators right yes. Great people great people off to suspicious vehicle suspicious people bad license plates. What kind of stuff? They tip us off to mostly Driving while toxic aided Drivers similar toxic. You know we'd get a call from we're all Saints Radio System and we would get a cough Matobo operator and she would say This yellow car with license plates just came booth going westbound. He looks really drunk year. Whenever I'd say this and we would if we were as close as we could be we turn around and try to find this individual and check them out and most of the time they were good they were correct. This person wasn't talks accounted for. Dwi is we had to take amending. Arrest them other. Things happened out there which were tragic. We had some bad accidents out there at that high speed area and And a wintertime. Things were tough. I'll bet in upstate. New York Yeah. This is still stuck in my memory. That was Christmas Eve and we were. I was about twenty miles east of Buffalo on a three way. And get this call and it's snowing like crazy. I mean it's like Kennedy. See My car and all of a sudden we get to Scott on radio. And there's there's A. There's an accident at at milepost such as such when we watch you it. Downer runaway what happened. It looks like a car hit a tree and sat there among so dry as fast as we can. You know. We can't can't see anything. We're we're driving down with your way we get to the scene of the accident Big Snow Bank in in the median. And we'll get out of run out of the car my partner and I we go in there and we see what's going on the other. Police cars are coming other trooper. Guards are coming to others arrived while we're still looking And the car was scrunched up right against a tree and it look like it looked like the driver fall asleep. Basically that's what we thought. The driver was launched forward through the windshield. His wife in the front seat was lunch through the windshield Both they were both dead and You know I mean we it. Hit us because this is Christmas. Eve proceed hit us. Oh my God. It's Christmas Eve Look at this So sad you know there are probably under way home for Christmas and driving home so recall the coroner or the medical examiner we call the ambulances and all that To Take Care of this and then we call the tow truck to winch discarded there. Well as we're doing that before the tow truck We hear this noise and Attorney my partners. And what is that you know? It sounds like a cat. He says I don't know he said what and see what's going on here so we go back to the car before the answer. We were looking into car looking all around the car. Maybe somebody was thrown out. We don't know we didn't find anything. Finally my partner looks in the back seat and you shouldn't blanket the floor of the back seat to kind of crushed back there because of the impact it takes up the blanket baby and the baby was alive and well and baby was crying and we said you know to to us. This was a reprieve I said. Oh my God they. The kid made it and We we we took him out of the CAR WE WRAP THEM IN THEIR MEA. These these blankets and our trunks and we wrap them in a blanket Put them in Truecar to keep them warm The ambulance got during. We return the baby to the ambulance. I never forgot that about I was happy to get home that morning to my kids and family. I'm sure enjoy Christmas but those are the kind of things that happened there. So I'm going to tell you about the importance of sleep once again because it is that important if I don't get my beauty sleep. I can't do my job getting good quality sleep as part of that. So having the right mattress for you is key. If you're struggling to get a good night's sleep you need to try purple. The world's most scientific mattress it was developed by an actual rocket scientists. And it feels like you're sleeping in zero gravity right now. Get a free purple pillow with the purchase of a mattress when you text. Pd Two eight. Four eight eight eight. You'll love purple it uses breathable material. So you can sleep cool to the mattresses. Both firm and sof to provide support and comfort right now. Pd Stories. Listeners will get a free purple pillow with the purchase of a mattress. That's in addition the great free gifts they're offering site-wide again just text. Pd Two eight. Four eight eight eight. The only way to get this free pillow is detects. Pd Two eight four eight that's PD. Two eight four eight eight eight message and data rates may apply. Are you a fan of true crime? And you've got to check out the court junkie podcast. Imagine being wrongfully convicted for a crime. You didn't or imagine your child killer is still on the loose. Even though there's enough evidence for an arrest the court junkie podcast shines a light on the injustices of our judicial system by delving into court documents attending trials and interviewing those closest to these cases. Be sure to subscribe on spotify. Podcast one apple podcast and many of the PODCAST APPS so you can get new episodes every week. I understand there was another incident where woman woman parked her car perpendicular to traffic. For some reason. Tell me about that. Yeah very very very scary. Incident for US We we're tolling along again probably around Rochester somewhere and not three thirty in the morning all of a sudden. Come over this hill. I'm driving and I come over this hill. And there's a car parked perpendicular across two lanes with all of her lights off so And I was going doing. Sixty five seventy miles an hour coming over to sell and while all of a sudden. She's there so slam on the brakes and we we did stop I said what the heck is going on here. We pull over to the side. We are not our lights. Walk up to the car. Is this woman sitting behind the wheel? Car crying what are you doing? She says I don't want to live anymore. I WANNA die. And she was a little bit intoxicated as well and she wanted to. Basically she wanted to die by suicide so finally we had to take her out of the car. Get that car off the road. We did that. Put Her in our whisker and we had to take her surprise detesting and Breathalyzer and so forth a very dangerous situation. Like that happens and we got that sort of thing we'd get people had a woman wants to Stopped her car in the middle of driving lane. Got Out of the car and started walking down the road on. I'm through a partner. Had A lot of trouble trying to number one. Stop her and try to get her off the road when she was resisting. Us and traffic is flowing by flowing. By and you're we are in the middle of the road rushing this woman trying to get off the road. That's crazy another time. We're driving through into cars coming the wrong way. Donald threw at us. You know so. Of course we had to dodge that and we had a somehow turn around and chase debt car and the way we did it is to get onto the shoulder of the road a red lights and so forth to chase that car down and those were usually a. Dwi is as well So a lot. Apparently experiences The turn in light year evening there was another incident in Buffalo with a woman and a young girl on a corner. Oh yes I remember that. That was the midnight shift We we went off the way To look for a place to eat about say maybe three four in the morning and you saw this young woman standing on the corner in the city. We're in the city both loan. She had a young child with her and Southern part or one. What's she doing here at this time? Night Little Kid he said. Oh let's go and so we did new. We talked to her. I said what what's GonNa she's well. I I left my home and I love my husband because he was abusing me and We're we're here and we have a place to go I said how did you get here. He said well we got a Boston. We're we're from Pennsylvania. We got in a bus and we came here. I don't know where else to go. Why did you come to? I don't know I just wanted to get away so I said well. You can't stay out here all night starting to get cold. Why HAVE NO MONEY? I don't know what to do all right. Then let's go come on get in. The car warmed up a little bit so we took her what I did is. I took her to this hotel In the city and it was a reasonable place. You know. Small Town went up to the guy at the desk and said listen. You know we have room. I had this woman here. That did really needs this wrong. And Yeah I have available. I'll take care of it. You know. Give her the room so he took her about Brennan. Who took her up a room or young. Her Young Young Child and listen to hear you can stay here tonight. All right and Advise you to do is get in touch with Someone from travelers or get in touch with someone who can help you. What your domestic violence problem women's shelter or something like that. Yeah I happen to have some some phone numbers I gave her says she said I gave her ten bucks. That's all I had my fall. I sit here when you get up in the morning. You check out. Tell me about when you get up in the morning. Go Breakfast for you and your your child and she said thank you sir. I really appreciate that and I mean these. These are the kinds of things that officers do that. People never see and that officers never talk about that because they don't think they need to they do it because they want to. And that's the nature of being a cop you know you're not just do fight. Crime you're there to help people That's one of the things that we're most proud of online. Pd is that a lot of times. You get to see officers doing things for people. Out of the kindness of their hearts are the humanity and compassion. It's not just the punitive Policing but it's the human assistance that they offer. So that's one of the things that we really love to see online. Pd and we like for the public to be able to see that now. Being on highway patrol you must have seen a lot of drugs like we see online. Pd All the time. What are some of the best or worst excuses you had to You got from people about the drugs that they may or may not have had. Well you get You know people make up various scriptures. Like oh I didn't know that was in my pocket. That doesn't belong to me but you're the only one car. Well I don't know who put it in my pocket. I think it was my girlfriend. Gremlin stout just one car. Once I was too young lads in there and they were speeding so I pull him over the the fellow opens. The driver opens the door. I'm sorry as a window and poof. This puff of smoke comes out and marijuana. I mean you know. We're we're trained. We're trained by by the Department of drugs or they called it back. Bureau of narcotics and dangerous trained in smell marijuana. There's no other smell like it. It's very distinct. And as puff of smoke come on it. I do marijuana because I I know and I said well. I smell marijuana You're going to have to get out of your car. So they did. And we found Maybe a pound of marijuana in the car and had to play someone arrests. But it's silly things like that and we've had people driving under the influence of drugs We'd had experiences on through with truck drivers for example who the long haul truckers yes long haul truckers The truckers a lot of times. Who came who had loads of produce? Who came from Florida for example and had to get that stuff up here before it spoiled and they drive all day and all night and what they would do is take vitamins to toback the long haul. And you know we've we've stopped truckers. Who were a little bit dizzy from checking? If it felt amazing where spacey basically sleep-deprived. Yes and driving under the influence of these things was very dangerous The problem with that ten. We had to give them a such a urine test to detect automates which took a lot of our time up. But we that's what we did back then. Things have gotten better in terms of testing. But so we did that or call this once incident. My one of the Troopers at the next station. Down stopped the trucker to Check logbook and Jabber Chuck area required to carry logs? That can only work so many hours a night. Ten hours a night Nafta the Oth- and if you don't keep logbook violation of law So trooper was checking novellas logbook. The driver looks at him. Looks at the road. Presses on the gas and takes off in a trooper is hanging on the window the truck. So there's truckers going down the road towards toll booth with his trooper hanging on the truck and he's doing you know sixty miles an hour and Finally there were other police cars in your area. And they got this guy pullover and of course you got arrested for reckless endangerment and Under the influence of amphetamines as well so those are the kind of things that happened out there again. You know. Sometimes they make make the shift interesting. Was the trooper. Hurt was okay. He was okay but he was hanging opera. Dear life you said if you would have fell off. Sardinia injured badly. There was an incident where a teacher hadn't shown up to school for several days and guys did a wellness check. Tell me about that incident. Oh yes I remember that. Well I think I was was in buffalo for some reason and Stopped at a station and while I was at the station a call came into the desk saying there is a a report of this teacher. This woman who hadn't been to work for two days and you know they want to find out of. We can investigate that. So there was a trooper on patrol I went out with them to look at. This just happened to be there and so we walk into this house and knock on the door walk in nobody around. Hello hello and nobody round. Finally we walk into the bedroom and when we get into bedroom we see this woman lying in bed in a pool of blood and what she had done essentially as she had cut both of arrests and she was bleeding. That very slowly She conscious or unconscious. She was conscious and we walked up to her and I walked up to her so listen. We're going to get your help I said and I try to. I try to talk to her about this. I DON HEAD. Some some counseling experience by that point and try to ask her. You know what what what's going on in your life that you decided you wanted to do this and so forth. We talked for about ten minutes before the ambulance got there. And you treat her wounds to up to me. Sure did yeah. We put direct pressure on both wounds as as best we could and Finally the ambulance came into took her away. But I remember that incident. You know it'd happened a long time ago but It may be understand a little bit. How much how people can Get to a point where they don't WanNa live anymore. Apparently she had been involved in a divorce. And had trouble at work and Just didn't want to deal with with life anymore. It all became too much. It did came too much for her to handle But we were glad we saved her life and I. I was unable to follow up on what happened to her. After that assume she she had been Subject to some counseling and psychotherapy during your rookie year. The Miranda rights came into existence. What was it like working in law enforcement? During that time this was a whole new era in law enforcement the Miranda rights. It was it was. I was a just a young rookie trooper and Didn't really understand what was going on and I got out in the field and I'm hearing all of these older tripper saying. Oh my God what are we GonNa do? You know we. We're not ever going to get a conviction because we have to you know. Give these people these rights and not necessarily on lawyer President and we can't question anybody we can't get information. I said well you know and understand understand but you know I'm out of college. I'm a little bit liberal at that point and I say well understand this. I mean if you're if your brother your sister your wife got got arrested for something. Wouldn't you want them to have the best benefit of the criminal justice system? You know when you want them to have some sort of rights and you know they. Yeah well you know you're right. I guess you know that. Kind of stuff and begrudgingly Yeah it smooth it out after a while and I think after a couple of years Most of the officers accepted this and understood the reason for it and You know now it's just calm. Everybody knows that you are supposed to get your Miranda Rights It it really as far as I as far as I know. I don't think it really affected much of a police work because a officers were still Able to interview people and Most a lot of people still voluntarily offered information after being read them rant rights correct. Yes that happened. A lot too and Even many of them didn't want a lawyer. They didn't want anything they just you know. I'm willing to talk to you. Of course we had them sign a document that they were willing to talk to us and they talk and again during during interviews. We'd ask them again. You sure you don't want attorney here. You know we. It's you're right and so no. Oh I don't want an attorney out I'm willing to talk to you You know cases were solved much like they were before so I think the impact was good in the sense that you know people were getting the right shoulder entitled to and it was good for police. It made them more professional. It made them more likely to get a conviction than if they got illegal. Evidence in the first place. You know the fruits of the poison tree type thing where you would get a confession which which is illegally obtained Can't be used in court so this this helped officers get good legal connections and to To do the job better. Basically was there any one particular incident during the early rollout of Miranda Rights? That you recall that was problematic Not Really I think The only case I recall the most my younger years was a rape case where the individual The complaint wasn't sure that it wasn't rape She was undecided. And whether You know she was consented or not. Individuals arrested the person. She she said well. I think he raped me but we did arrest him because We had to look at this and we read the Miranda. I'm not talking about myself and talking about our investigators. They ride the rights to to the individual and she She was willing to talk to us. They had the rights to the defendant. He was willing to talk but he said I didn't use. I'd like an attorney because I didn't do this. You know it was consensual so there was a big big to do about that fact that He made that statement before as attorney. Got There And it had to be stricken. Now let me ask you another question. Have you ever fired your weapon in the line of duty I have not? I mean I was a come close even came close but not I was On the road for close to eighteen years before I went out the academy and so forth. But we've had our weapons out. We we had a call once that there was a vehicle heading east on throughway and gave us the plate number and said Fugitives wanted there to fugitives vehicle. Wanted and pull over and buttoned up our bulletproof vest. Make sure they were secure Got on a car juror. Weapons pointed to weapons at the car. Got On the on the horn on a loudspeaker instead of out of the car on the ground. Okay and these guys Got Out of the car very peacefully with their hands up. Lay Down on the pavement on the side of the road. And by that time there were more trooper cars coming down and where there are three zero three cars down here and we took him into custody but We were informed that they were armed and dangerous and We were ready ready to do it but we we didn't and despite what you see on TV. I mean right. Shootings are rare Those those kinds of things are maybe not in some cities but majority and overall the use of firearms are rare incidents and they're not like we see on tv all the time now. What police us on the streets has changed a lot since you started right when I came on. We had the Colt revolver six shot revolver thirty eight three thirty eight to start. We went to the 357. After that. Now I guess we're on Glocks As far as I know didn't have computers. Didn't have much of a of the high tech stuff. They add today. Cameras Fourth and one light on top of the car. One Little Red light guys have come a long way since nineteen sixty five. Then sure have. Yeah definitely it's amazing I Last year I was down at the. Acp International Association of Chiesa Police Conference and walked into their showroom there. And you know. We got license plate readers and and Identifiers devices. That can disable your car your computers and I said Oh my gosh. Wow it's really amazing We had this little radio that was about it. Real Radio and radar started to evolve a little more during that time were they invented what they call the the moving radar and the moving radar was a device. Where you could be going westbound. The other car could be going eastbound and you'd be able to detect your speed going in a different direction Which was a Boon? Because basically what they did in the fifties and sixties set up a Tripod radar side on the side of the road. And that's the way they did it and then have another car a little further down to pick up the car that sped by the radar right right and of course we that sort of system on throughway in Buffalo Stop. Very abruptly When one of our trooper was killed Standing out in the road trying to pull cars over who are stuck on radar and essentially. What happened is she stepped out. There in a car came through the radar at ninety miles an hour Struck him basically caught them in half and all the troopers at the at the scene. Were just miss. And from that point on there was no more of this The start of fame were trooper s to go in the middle of the road and flag. Karston it's all chase car type operations now state troopers see so many horrific things on the highway and what you just described their a trooper being literally cut in half by speeding car and the other troopers having to witness that. How how did they cope? How how do troopers cope with these things that are commonplace on the highways? That are so horrific. Well you have to accept. I think what you're going to see when you come on the job the academy you know. It's all champagne and roses your lead to be there. It's it's allowed it's strenuous. It's hard but you know what you're you don't experience those things academy but when you get out there and you see the dead bodies you see the abuse kids you see them mutilated a homicide victims. It takes a toll on your psyche. And if you're not careful you can develop push dramatic stress disorder. You call best buy by putting your support together and to me. I think the best thing I could do when I saw things like that was to come home to my family. And who was very supportive by the way and you know sale. Oh my kids and so forth separate one you have to separate yourself from the up to you have to take that plug out and yet to separate yourself from what you saw there and you go home to being a normal person again Unfortunately some officers cannot cope in that way And because they lose the ability to cope they develop. Depression may develop pushback stress disorder. Sometimes they turned alcohol and ultimately they can die by suicide. Did you ever have nightmares I did I had nightmares about that. That action I told you about with the little baby That I probably had a nightmare about that for two nights. But that after that it waned and I've had other nightmares where I've just A lost my gun. I didn't have my gun. And you know I was getting in a shootout and it didn't have my weapon I mean. These are all manifestations of fears. That one has when when they're in the sort of job but they wayne you know for for most people Push traumatic stress. doesn't last long time You'll get the nightmares. Get the maybe some flashbacks but they go away if they don't go away then you develop this disorder. Ptsd disorder and then you need to go out and get some help. But most people Hanley's things most trooper sanders things very well most cops in general very you have to you have to or you can't really effectively continued to do the job. Exactly I mean policemen. A police officers are very resilient people and you know we hear we hear about those who who die by suicide we hear about those and Hannity Esti what the majority of officers are resilient and they are able to deal with this and they they find a good way to cope with it Those don't are the ones that suffer. We're GONNA take a quick pause so I can tell you that one of the things I love about true crime is that the further you dig into a story. The more layers you uncover. That's part of what I love about the puzzle game. Best fiends to reach him. Each new level feels like uncovering a new layer in a story. You'll meet characters like Quincy and Tempur you'll go to places like mount boom and try to survive slug Magadan. It's a lot of fun and you don't need the Internet to play the game. You can play it right on your phone. Download best fiends free on the apple APP store or Google play. I use it while I'm travelling back and forth so on the train on the subway on the bus to comply anywhere best. Fiend has thousands of levels already with new levels events and characters added every month. It's hours of fun right at your fingertips and you can even play off line with over one hundred million downloads and tons of five star reviews. Best means is a must play download. Best fiends free on the Apple. App store or Google play. That's friends without the our best fiends. L. Before we get back to our conversation please be aware that the professors audio will change in the last five minutes. Due to some technical difficulties we finish our conversation over the phone now without further. Ado We return with Dr John. Beal out now after being state trooper your word pivoted to officer mental health. How did that transition come about well? I was have a BA in psychology. What I saw in my career was a line of officers who were hurt hurt by themselves by their own actions and what I mean by that stay. They got involved with alcohol and they coped maladaptive ways. You know maybe didn't care anymore about the job. I got depressed. The had trouble with their families drank a lot. You know just basically didn't care you know all of the signs of depression and I said this is the something wrong here you know. Why does this job affect people like this? Why why there's it's what is the exposure? The horrible things you see as it is what it does to your family life. What is it I need to explore this further and I was at the Rochester Institute of Technology for for a while when I taught undergraduate study in criminal justice and I started researching and writing at that point and Ptsd and depression and problems up. Police officers had and that continued over all these years. I can research and researching and finally I got to a point where You know we. We need to do something about this. We need to establish some programs to help officers get through this stuff because nobody is helping them you know back in the sixties Nobody ever heard of PTSD. Nobody cared if you didn't like the job leave. I mean it. Was that simple. If you can handle this kid get here. And you know that approach It's a waste of an officer. I mean we can help people we can rehabilitate people. We can save people very simply and I thought this was a good idea. We have to do this. I'M GOING TO BE THE ONE. I'm going to be to make your. I'm going to be the guy who's going to do the research and I'm going to be the guy that shows the organizations in this country that they need this kind of stuff so I wrote and wrote and wrote and preach preach preach and presented an presented resent To the best of my ability and the message is now known message has been brought forward and the movement is going on now. You received your Ph D. while working on patrol as a state trooper right. Yeah I'd like Etiquette and my dissertation was on please. Stress and organizational stress in police officers. WanNa go through that are still under night. Shift And did a little teaching FRY at. Ub Assistant Teaching and so forth but continued to work as a trooper until about Eighty-five when I got call to the academy I was called a someone. I think. It was a colonel call up from Albany from the State Police Academy Missa John You know we understand that you know you've been working. You've been going to school and working on your doctorate so forth. Would you like to come down here and in some of our recruits and you gotta me acid. Oh Yeah I really like to do that. So ended up going Albany for a while While down in Albany I did some training of recruits. And then after that I decided that You know maybe maybe it's time that the state place setup a A program to help troopers who are not feeling well or have depression or perhaps a portion of stress disorder and It was an employee assistance program. Basically we set it up inside the state police and there were three of us. There was myself Lieutenant and a Catholic brother who happened to be a part of the state police Because they had known him for so many years and they asked him to come in He together. We started this program and we basically cover the whole state for example. I was stationed at that time. I was a nominee if something happened in Buffalo I had to drive to buffalo and take care of it there if something happens in New York City Perhaps the other take care of that. So that's the way we did it and we did it for a long time today. It's my understanding that that that program is still working in effect and is expanded quite a bit and now they have three people assigned to each troop. Aren't there in basically ten. Ten troops stayed on York State. Police and each section or each troop has three people working in such a big improvement. And you know I'm very gratified that Stone Existence. A lot of cops won't talk about their mental health but they'll talk to maybe their partner for example right. They'll talk about something that's traumatized them with their partner if they trust that person that much but they won't talk to anyone else about it that's true. Yeah that's the biggest problem getting ashes to come forward if they have a mental health problem. You know there's. There's a stigma our society about mental fit. If you haven't at the hockey really not normal You're crazy. Don't think it'd be further from the truth. The mental health covers a wider Van. Different source of disorders. Ptsd it's a disorder. But it's not it doesn't mean you're crazy. Well we need to do. We need to get police officers over that stigma We need to get over officers out of the influence of the place culture workplace culture mandates. Is that you never show weakness. You're always be strong. You always being control if you show weakness. You're in trouble as a cop so no one likes to admit that they have a week. Nolan Western that that when they saw the child they felt the motion and cautious that they stuff it inside and they constantly stuff inside. It eats away at them but I think they should be dealt with on two levels that can be dealt with on the individual level and it can be dealt with any organization level changes have to occur in both We know that stress is cumulatively. No more have. The mortar accumulates and the more at affects your body and we've found a sinner researcher. Buffalo rely more and more that their associations between chronic stress and PTSD and heart disease and diabetes and all of these illnesses that affect US stress and illness close relationship Getting us to come forward is a problem. We're working I I think. Care support programs are good Support Program is a program where officers probably the fiber in our training counseling. If an officer had a problem they can go through your support person instead. Health professional to good health. This is a good first step because it gets officer into that. Peer support was another officer. Which is okay with them. Talk about it John. What do you wish you had known about mental health when you were trooper when you were an officer? Well I wish I would have gone more about this about what I know now. Famous quotation if I knew then what I know now. I coped well. I'm not bragging but I I know well the job I again. I had that support system that mechanism. That helped me get through times when I felt that I never really felt the crest than ever had symptoms that accumulate mares. I had a few after thoughts about things I've seen but always was able to get back into normal life that that was my solace elsewhere. Dealt with thanks. I got back on if I knew what I know now. I would've been a much stronger. Advocate a mental health in my early years as a cop. I would have started to talk to administration more about this that. Listen here's what I know. You should be doing something instead of telling people that if they don't like the job leave it stop punishing people having problems with stress being human and uelmen having emotions we know the stresses inherent in job you organization you can help alleviate that establishing better trust between you and that officer sharing the street. That's where the rubber meets the road shop there. I would have been an advocate and they probably would have yelled at me a lot but I think it would be important. Just bring this sport No one ever did absolutely John. You've written several books about the statistics of mental health and police officers. What made you want to publish and pursue this work I or portent for scientists to my mom like all. The cases are very scientifically based and that that really written in lay terms. And the reason I did that is to encourage researchers to develop this whole idea about the health and quest for more you know to get more. Research galling give an impetus to be where it's your research and in doing so lighten the field and and maybe they things better for officers out there will. Your work is definitely saving the lives of police officers and helping their families as well. So Professor John Volonte thank you so much for being on this show on PD stories. Thank you for your service as New York State trooper for three years in. May you continue with your work? Continue to make life better law enforcement officers across the country and around the world. Thank you for joining us. Today on. Pd stories if you enjoyed today's show. Please subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. So you never miss an episode and like us on FACEBOOK DOT COM slash p. Stories for more information you can also catch me on a unease live. Pd every Friday and Saturday night at nine PM. Eastern PB stories was created and executive produced by sue. Phone WITH PRODUCER. Julie mcgruder our editors Steve delegator special. Thanks to McKay me Linh Keesa Cassidy Linda and the teams at eighty networks. And podcast one for making this show possible until next time. I'm Tom Moore's junior.

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388: Rest Stop

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388: Rest Stop

"Support for this american life comes from indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard find out more at indeed dot com slash american and from rocket mortgage by quicken loans making the home buying process work for you. Their team is there with award-winning client service and support get started at rocket mortgage dot com slash american american equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states and m._l._s. consumer access dot org number thirty thirty. Some kids are at arrest. Stop parking lot in the middle of august waiting to get back in the car logan william and cure a reporter approaches him. I couldn't help but notice that there's three of you guys so the first this question that pops into my head is who's gonna have to ride in the middle unfortunately may and how come you're the guy who has to write a to basically basically i dunno fight when they're in the middle. He doesn't even want to sit next out. Stop that. He's pitching cheek right now. Pressure pointing actually. Did you feel like <hes> like this is gonna be. This is always gonna be your job. As you guys get older. You're always going to be the the brother sitting in the middle brokering the peace and basically i'm the mediator. Had you mean. I'm not sure what you're talking about. How do you mean you're the mediator. I'm actually not to work mediator mean. I just felt like saying. I think it means a guy who keeps peace keeping them from killing each other. Other can use a guy like you in the middle east. Maybe one of the little brothers signals for the microphone metal east because he did nil and he's in a- any e mail in nineteen particularly notable about the rest stop just one of thousands all over the country kind of place we'd stop for ten minutes on holiday weekend run inside and use the restroom by a burger or coffee head back out on the road but if he stayed for more than ten minutes remaining ended up talking to one of these kids or one of the couples who are dropping off children at college like this reporter did laugh kit off the schools so now we're the new empty nesters right now. How do you feel about that. <hes> looking things that i've never tried living in folks on the way back from family reunion might complain about the traffic suddenly a clown drug. Bill clowns cut us off. There's there's this guys is entertainment on his weekly. Four hour. Drive isn't the radio or c._d. Player well truthfully. The police folk out there listening. I usually read the newspaper on the way up or a book. Are you kidding me. One way up and you've been doing it for six or seven years and you've not had an accident. That seems to me to be pure. Luck it is it family driving six hours to visit the dad in prison a young couple looking for a place to have their wedding two brothers on the way to compete in the rodeo the sixteen year olds standing inside the rest. Stop nursing not taking a break from her own family. She's on an eight hour car trip with her dad. Her grandma's sister sister a couple of others. She explains to reporter. It's very noisy. He say that 'cause everybody's arguing or talking about sports. We will just having argument on who's better muhammad ali or mike tyson and mike tyson lonzo. Data daily stopped the car to argue. They know mike tyson's better so it was as act coincidentally a little later. Mike tyson's name comes up again and conversation with a prep cook. Name ozzy works the rest of the movie star. I see personally. Mike tyson was here. He was clean so i see mario cuomo. I see <hes> this old lady. Who a lot of press surgeries john rivers rivers joan rivers to strangers can get her name across somebody by saying the old lady who got a lot of plastic surgery <music> nine came to rest up tape reporters on a weekend middle of august all the way back in two thousand nine today shows a re-run these two weeks before labor day time of year when over ten thousand people pass through the rest up each day we thought the for wines that we would not leave after ten minutes and stick around and find out who all these people are where they're going what they're thinking about found love stories and hardcore record partier inexplicably angry people and all kinds of others. We bring you those stories in this special hour of our show this holiday weekend when so many of us are on the road w._b._z. w._b._z. Chicago is this american life. I'm glass stay with us. In the name of this particular rest. Stop is the paddock hill travel plaza on the new york through way i eighty seven hour and a half if north new york city on the northbound side of the highway it china and recently renovated five restaurants in the food court nathan's hot dog arthur creatures fish and chips where rogers canadian sandwich shop called brioche doray starbucks plus the travel martell sodas and chips and stuff like that all these concessions in cleaning crews and everything else are run by a company called h._m._s. host which does this kind of thing and airports and travel plazas across the country. They have one hundred twenty employees here and half dozen managers and the general manager. I think we're gonna have a very strong weekend. As we get into the end of summer. This is the general manager robert wool friendly upbeat guy carries a folded piece as a paper that he pulls out on unfolds refers to constantly through the day which has a list of sales figures for every half hour of the day. It's all it is simply is is it's my half yeah power reports of last year on this day so i can compare my sales last year and see where we're at <hes> and we do it usually like eleven o'clock and then every hour so we take a quick reading soc- where at explain when is when is the crazy time today it'll be probably from like twelve o'clock till seven o'clock very solid and steady and then tomorrow morning it'll pick up again and i think it is again to the end of summer. There's a big race in saratoga this week. People have booked their rooms for georgian it stand to summer people want to go and go on vacation so i think we're gonna have a good weekend videotaping on friday and saturday two weeks before labor day because those are the biggest days in the biggest month here in august the rest dot makes a fourth worth of its money for the whole year and it's crucial that robert makes his goals this weekend because it's built into the restaurant business that there are a couple months every year when he just brakes even or loses money also wants to do better than his rival his rival arrest stop in maine run by andy tucci anabolic north usually and i your neck and neck and we never played any wagers but you know they're red sox fans were yankee fans and we go back and forth and that as well as discussing who's he's going to the record sales for the day one last weekend <hes> andy any beat me red lobster if you want and that's what i told me both days but <hes> i think i'm going to get it back this weekend. So aw i hope this week the yankees sweep the red sox and then it'll be really quiet was fully staff for the rash yet his best cashiers on and now just needed the crowds big summer weekend crowds in this particular rest. Stop a couple years ago. I came here on the way to a wedding and i noticed that a couple of college students working at the starbucks. We're speaking polish when asked they said yeah they will from poland here for the summer on a special visa program called the j. one program where they live in the united states and work for three months at the rest stop and then get to travel for a month in america for firing home and it seemed like such a crazy thing to fly all the way to america and then be stuck behind the counter in the middle of nowhere no word for the summer. I wonder if they felt cheated. I wanted to come back and find out <hes> i'm sandy and i- franck taiwan and i work at starbucks impractical travel plaza there are no posted into summer is mostly taiwanese and ukrainians working paiko sandy's name back home as mucci cho- she's. She's a college junior and english major. This is your second year during the summer work program last year. She was one of hundreds of foreign students who got jobs at cedar point amusement park in sandusky ohio but this year she wanted to see a different part of the country and signed up for this location because of two magic words new york. I love new york last year. I went to new york doc c._t. Just three days solis. I want to stay in new york city more and then when you got here. Were you surprised how far it was from from new york city. Yes very surprised yeah so actually i'm alito regret about. I choose fries yeah. She knew the risks up was an in in new york city. She's that'll be a little closer and easier to get to that a car. Everything's a hassle so she hasn't seen new york at all this summer the only place she's gone some outlet stores which is not work shanks around the apartment with five other students are women who came over from asia this summer to work at the rest stop. I'll when we have dale we we will go to supermarket to buy grocery yad. <hes> maybe go to go to restaurant to is something what's the best thing. That's happened this summer on your trip. This run so far i i didn't. I didn't <hes> happiness thing in this trip so far. No you haven't had much. That's been so good this trip no so far suzanne frankly a little sad. A bunch of students quietly tolerating their summers counting the days that they could finally travel the country cooking cooking food. They don't eat like hamburgers drinks. They'd never heard of before arriving here. Like frappuccino is all for people who have cars at a place. It's all about cars on the side the highway but without cars of their own bad for them then i started talking to the ukrainian students and how's it going <hes> a very good. I think that's a really really get a very big huge experience here because i love i like this place and and <hes> i wanted to come back here. It's really it's really true. I'm happy that time here you've gained to casa goes by the name jane or angelina here in the states aids. She's eighteen entering your junior year of college. It's her first time away so long from parents and she misses them terribly but it's also very exciting. She says the first week or two and protocol she and the other ukrainians felt stranded same as the girls from taiwan and hong kong because their car we can't drive. We just <hes> can can take a bath so that's why but then we find a france that lake dale they always can take us like all guys together. We'll show you on beautiful places. When we have a dale. We always go to somewhere with home. What happened is that. The ukrainians befriended a couple couple of the american teenagers who work at the rest up and those teenagers introduced him to other young people and before they knew it they had rights to the mall to six flags amusement park to new york city. My name is adulated he'd own. I'm nineteen. I work at roy rogers. Adelaide is big cheerful fun loving guy and probably the american gotten closest to the ukrainians two years of working at the very rogers at the rest stop. He's seeing lots of foreign students come through. I think this group is definitely five favorite why <hes> i felt like <hes> bruce before we got attached to them but this group i think it's i'm i'm in college and during college and we drink and drink and they drink and it's funny experience. I just recently got my license about two years ago actually year and a half ago before that was driving illegally. I really couldn't drive all over the place but now that i got my license so like everywhere so you hang out with them and take him shopping. Go at night. We go like swimming in this lake trespassing who cares just having a good time where young the cops showed up one time we had alcohol on us is pretty bad story for while. He says he was going over to the apartment three times a week fridays saturdays and wednesdays three parties parties. He taught them how to throw. Here's one of his students in this matter eight or mauve ukrainians. What's your favorite thing that you've done insofar since you've been here. Everything probably the parties parties. There are a lot different than our country. If you wanna have parties just go to the club now go to love la music and stuff but since we came here we'll get to know other americans and they said let's have a party while okay. Let's go to the glove. White glove was dude at home. Okay got home. They showed us games teams. They play veered hong introducing some beer funnel. They never seen that before. We we showed them flip cup. You know what we showed them how to play flip cup and that is really good because it is fun. A lot of people play so really fun and you didn't have beer. Pong back can ukraine no. I never knew we'd be taking that back to show your friends back home. Oh yeah we even want to buy viewpoint table the special for him. I'm not sure the caught a beer pong table. They're pretty good if we're not knowing what hong is like. We just introduced them to be wrong two months ago going yet. They're better than me so we actually have tournaments going on sometimes in the trains on top most of the time it's impossible to make so much as american. Do americans really drink much this dossier another nineteen year old from ukraine. She said most of the party's here in america their apartment or out by the week went until dawn at six p._m. Seven a._m. And then with the most fun sainbannu worked from nine a._m. And and you don't sleep at all monday. I just love thirty minutes. I would a cop and mentor. I was the most fun as for me. I was the die. Fortunately she works at a starbucks. Stop is important foreign students for nearly a decade the they're hard workers and easier to schedule shifts in american teenagers who were always needing time off for family vacations sports practice and other activities is group in the summer and then smaller smaller groups in the winter and spring and the paddock rest. Stop is a close knit enough place that people cry when they leave. Managers told me she's still emails. Kids from brazil and peru who worked years years ago at least one marriages come out of this between an american worker and a bulgarian girl while the managers of the rest up agreed that they liked the ukrainians the good kids but the ukrainians or the rowdiest group with the most issues they have ever had hands down probably because the ukrainians of the first group that were friends back in their home country mccain for summer adventure. They're having too much fun. One manager told me fireworks after two a m complaints from neighbors. The boys have come out a few times because the noise robert general manager has no idea where he's going to find them housing if their landlord kicks them. It's been a little bit of a rough summer them. They're enjoying their college. Kids and i think the thing is they forget that. They're not living in the dorms. They live in an apartment complex where there's families kids and little kids and they just have to be more respectful at the times. It's not like we don't want them to have a good time. You gotta make sure you draw the line someplace and say okay. You know maybe one o'clock is late enough and you know the people are going to workers. It's tuesday and just got to kind of be good neighbors. As it turned out everything came to a head the night before we arrived to record with an party that adelaide it says the craziest ever a party that was not thrown by the ukrainians. It was the very first party thrown by the girls from taiwan total turnaround for them. It says before this he in the ukrainians only invited them to one party and they really don't drink so they got drunk off a couple of years and we just you know he could've hangs. We just didn't invite them anymore. But now they threw this party a goodbye party for one of the girls who was leaving early and they party the best of them everybody dancing and making annoys after the second beer run there was a late night beer fight with people pouring their drinks on each other as usual all this bothering the neighbors then what was it they complained to the landlord a the landlord doesn't like me or mother friends hanging around there. He actually refers to me as a as a big crazy mexican that that walks around so i don't know <hes>. I don't think i'm going to be crazy. Mexican gentle giant really and then robert had a talk with everybody everybody kind of time to play the heavy handed data and make sure that they get the message that this can't go on. It shouldn't have any bodies here. We should be quiet because if they they will be one nobody they sent us home. They will like <hes> break our contract with plaza and then there will be no more students students and positive the next year and what do you think of that. I don't know i just i don't really care. They will have any other students next because someone be there. The american kids also got a warning from their boss again. Here's just do. I'm going over there. The landlord want me on his property. He sees me or my car. It's getting towed at my expense. I'm gonna get charged for trespassing until what he can do well. I'll probably still go over. There's really not i mean if they say anything august. Okay we'll happy officer and of course it will happen again and do you worry that you could get ukrainians and trouble in way they'd get sent back early. I hope not but if he doing song good time and i i told them if any deeply sorry but whatever happens evans have is there's nothing we can do and that everybody says was the last big party here but no matter still good summer has if she ever felt jealous of all the travelers rest stop people on the way to vacations while she was stuck working she said never she comes so far to get here vacant retailers because i'm here aw inside the rest stop right when you enter the lobby between the bathroom in the food court. Is this room full of racks of brochures. Lisa pollick is one of the gang of nine reporters others that we had a plot to kill. You know this brochures you'll see in the lobby of a discount hotel the ones advertising local attractions that never really no matter where in the country you are include a waterpark mark underground cavern tour. It's that floor to ceiling. This is the new york state information. Centre confusingly is run not by new york state but by a private company that charges businesses to display their pamphlets here. The manager of the center is a guy named lenny wheat. He also stands behind a counter offering travel advice to the loss. When i talk to lennie gets this look on his face almost like he feels a little sorry for me because i think i'm in the middle of nowhere and he thinks i have no elijah what i'm missing right here the next exit alone you have best rock climbing in the country here seriously yeah napa valley the east around down here. We have the oldest vineyards the oldest winery one of the best wineries. You have the best hotel resort spa and united states in the air. You're it's the best in mexico mobil travel guide and day spa magazine got one of the best dude ranches in the country up here by new to us s. rocking horse ranch resort yeah great place to take a family by the time lenny tells me about something called the catamounts adventure park largest adventure park in north america according to the brochure hundred twenty things to do there. I am so overwhelmed by superlatives that i just take his word for it. Lenny knows this area. He's a local lives eight minutes away and used to drive for a messenger service so he's an expert at getting directions. I found it especially impressive when he told travelers the exact number of miles between highway we exits by memory baloney actually ended up in this job by accident. His neighbor used to work here and lenny would visit him from time to time to help out and and he was feeling ill one day and i was like you know i think you can stay here and do this and i'm like sure why not i mean i know my way around the road so and you know he he had some issues and stuff diabetes and stuff and wound up taking time out and stuff he recently passed away and stuff but <hes> you know kind of like sometimes. You feel like like what you've done in your life. Is you know and it comes together. It's like you were meant to do something. So you're saying it kind of seemed like it was meant to be sometimes feels i wait. I hung out with lenny a couple of hours. I saw him cheerfully. Field dozens of information requests everything from where to buy beer nowhere at the rest to stop but try new paltz. There's a lot of college kids there to how to get to maryland. Crucial first step turn around maryland is south of here. You are headed north when anyone wanders into browse pounces. What's your destination today. Lake george the guy says. Can i get you anything for lake george. We just got in the fall events guide to anything for washington county on the other side of the lake anything on hiking waterways whitewater roughing waterways even though all these places are paying to advertise here lenny gets genuinely excited when he's pitching them if he doesn't believe the planet rest stop is the gateway to vacation gold sure fooled me and if you didn't know it in cairo there's a bear statues all around the village. There's a treasure hunt okay. Here's another one and that is also the best concert facility in the world loggins and messina's claimed the night loggins and messina messina the comedian now no and one more and the world's largest kaleidoscope there too beautiful and a time when people plan in their trips on computers and drive to them using g._p._s. It's a little surprising that a place like this even exists. I actually watched lenny pull out a magnifying glass for a guy having trouble using a map by the time i left lended me almost convinced that what he has to offer is better than the internet you can sit here and ten fifteen minutes flip through the pages and seen gene most everything every county might have to walk you. You know you know how long it will take you to find all that on the internet and only turn to page. You got shop and you turn the page. You got sure man. You're fishing your your antiquing guys. Where are you going to you know you go on a long car trip with strangers. Usually you're with people who you know really really well and being confined in the car together. Gather in a tiny space staring ahead at the road is one of the nicest places talk have a long long talk. One woman told us that she actually plans things to discuss us with her husband and her kids when she knows that they're going to be in the car for hours and other women <hes> this mom named elizabeth mcmahon was driving from d._c. To albany who nine year olds long long drive and the sun decided that he was going to use the time to get to the bottom and things he's been on this whole cuna thing where mom who do you like better your sister your brother uncle johnny our chat or who do you know. How long would you cry if i died or would you rather be married your old boyfriend to daddy who's were divorced. You know he's been kind of weird so that that stimulates conversation. You just asked for example mom. Are you really santa claus. The reporter who talked to that one was jonathan goldstein. He mostly stationed himself outside the rest. Stop in the parking lot. The picnic benches somehow everybody jonathan talked to seemed to be enjoying their time on the road to the max stanley just sitting on the bench in front of the parking lot unlike everyone else you see people looking to eat looking to get to a washroom. Stan looks perfectly at home smoking cigar cigar like he's got the world on a string like hanging out at arrest of is the best part of any vacation. He's waiting for his girlfriend who he likes to call the war diplomacy obama and by which you mean it's my girlfriend. What department would wife is the war department. Get with it baby. Let's go baby. I was always the sky is very clear on blue today. Let's not blow that blows frankly. Have you guys been arguing. A lot in the car. Never argue. She told told me say that this race thumb ya that's me write their hello and yet in spite of stands take on couple hood one. Perhaps modelled on warner brothers cartoons at the fifties. It looks like there's still a never ending line of people all too eager to sign up case in point. A group of four women come striding across the parking lot in the midst of a bachelorette. The party surprised because it's bachelorette party were taking her away somewhere. She's never been before and had he feel about that. I i feel like i need to know where i'm going to even know in what direction you're heading north and that's it. That's all you know. The only thing i know is that i need flops a whistle and something else yeah put a whistle now is that does that really come into play. Are you dismissing with her mind. At this point. It's very important to the whole evening flip flops and a whistle. I'm thinking and comfortable clothes all right now. I'm gonna ask you guys. I'm an i'll ask you to step over there. I'm gonna ask these guys what they plan then i won't i won't tell anything by the time this airs won't make a difference to. You're just going to go stand over over there. I'm sorry 'cause now. I'm going to get the scoop all right just crowd in here all right so flip flip flops and whistle. What's that all about. It's it's all crap. It's it's complete crap or making the whole thing up. Vote my name's jack man and where are you coming from. I'm calling from boston head west virginia. What's your last name. I'm getting into that right now. No last names on this dragon as it turns out. Jack is not the one driving. He's traveling with the couple friends back from other boston where he's dropped off his four year old who spent the summer with in west virginia. Jack has four kids in three different states vote. Each of their names are tattooed across his upper torso. Jack is on his way home. Get lost couple times. You know so. I took twelve hours ars to help along with. You probably like three or four months and you only get to see him. During the summer i get them for christmas. We know you can have the women are they. Don't wanna pay for christmas presents and stuff. You know what i mean. They make they all make sure the kids were with me for christmas and you saw you saw his mom too to when when you pick them up and drop them off. Oh yeah i still got the big red marks from about where she tried to beat me up. Are you kidding now man. I'm for real oh. Hey don't bring new girlfriend to your ex wife's house. That's all i got to say that baby mama drama stuff you know she's on crutches watches and she broke her leg. Few weeks. Ago tried to beat me crutches. You know your new girlfriends in the car with you. Now yeah yeah man yes. That's pretty blonde over there in that black car over there. You'd be surprised the earned my buddy driving. We call him a hot wheels. He's a handicapped kid and wheelchair so i mean nicknames ass hot wheels. I walk across the parking lot to a big black rusty car. Jack told me <hes> they call. Are you hot wheels wheelchair torma foot off. How did that happen car crash back in uh back in two thousand six it wa- about one hundred or they expect to walk away from something like that. You're in the back seat here. You're also from west virginia. And how old are you guys twenty-one and chrissy sunni for you do traveling now not at all. I'm a stay at home mom. So how old are your kids. I have have one. He's nine. Don't get a chance to travel very much right. It's been a long trip this the furthest you've been yes. I went to new jersey once before but other than that this is definitely in the farthest longest and have have you you've been in a lot of parking lots like this. Law stops actually now. I think this is probably the first like where a stop of overcome to not in in your life. Yes really yes. I don't just live in west virginia. I live in west virginia. 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Friday robert general manager of the rest up checks his blackberry burst for an email from his rival in maine. Andy tucci noon to three was supposed to be some of the busiest hours of the year robert but he does not look happy. He's not hitting the half hourly goals that piece of paper that he carries around with him. I am down a bunch from last year. <hes> i'm about <hes> thirty three hundred dollars behind last year and six hundred dollars round last week which not normal thing so. It's a little cause for concern right now <hes> so right now. We're not sure why there doesn't seem to be a lot of traffic problems. We can make it up in an hour and a half. We could make it all back in the day. We were supposed to be so every couple of hours when i check check with robert. This is what he says. We can still make it up. The rush still can come. Robert is optimised mostly. I wonder and how it's going to mean. I haven't emailed andy yet but i'm i'm afraid to email every known sure. It's going very well but that's not a good thing. I've heard back commanding. That's starting to get a little overcast outside. So what do you wish. Bahrain here. Actually tells me rain isn't always bad. If it rains at the right time people get backed up and traffic than they gotta stop now. They've been traffic a little longer so perfect time rainstorms. It'd be nice and maybe maybe not too hard. I think that'd be good because people will get out of the car and walk in a light rain but they don't want to walk in downpour with the downpour. They don't come out of the car. We'll we'll keep our fingers. Seniors cross still got a lot of night to go so fingers crossed killing me within twenty five minutes the skies literally black again and it is the wrong kind of rain the kind that includes tornado warnings one county over the kind where you do not run from your car across the the parking lot to buy a nice sandwich or hot coffee from robert. The kind that i figured would just please one person on this earth and that person was made. I would say probably ably by the by his last email. Were probably rate in the same boat right in the same rate in the same area ladies and gentlemen andy tucci roberts rival general manager of the kennebunkport travel plazas and <hes> he's day actually wasn't going great either yet. Yeah i just <hes> shot him an email letting them know that we you know we'd be. We'd be busy later on after <hes> after the red sox game. Oh i see oh you think you can make it up later. I think so they'll be a lot of people on the road later on celebrating brayton while at least boston fans will be celebrating celebrating absolutely now later on to see anything going on <hes> you know i don't. I don't really believe he has a whole lot going on tonight. You know the yankees being on the road so it's looking pretty bad for him. I i would say so <music> at one point. Finally one of the concession stands nathan's hot dog does get a real rush with nine that extends to the middle of food court. This is where speed becomes crucial. Robert says that if people walk into the rest stop and see a line if the line doesn't seem like it's moving the walk out without buying so his staff has to pour it on during the rush they're gonna make their goals and of course beat main giancarl went behind the nathan's counter to watch the action every now and then during the rush. Nathan's runs out of food. There's only one corn dog. Heather heather rafferty's working one of three cash registers. One corn dog is a problem since a customer has been waiting a long time for two they prepare as well as they can here but there's only so much food you can cook in advance. Heather has two parts of other people's orders just to keep the flow going taking the nuggets anyway. It's like putting together a puzzle where a lot of the pieces are exactly the same shape and to be easy if it wasn't so hard people are fanatical about nathan's workers joke about it. They feel like saying you know. Roy rogers has food to luckily heather's break is imminent four long minutes later. She clocks out and snakes through the mazy hallway in the back on her way out the back door for smoke. She walks up to another worker and gives them a quick passing smooch which made me feel like i was really behind. The scenes. Alex is heather's boyfriend about four months ago. They had a kid a little boy. I asked what it's like to live and work together but heather says they don't she lives with her parents right now and the baby and <hes> alex lives with his family. We're still together definitely but <hes> we plan to move in together. Other at some point is just that right now money's tie and this was kind of as much as i love my son he was kind of like surprise so yes but eventually down the road alex will move in with each other and you you think getting married and i'm hoping so we've been together for two years now so i'm definitely considering it but he's got. He's twenty years old. He just turned twenty in june so he's kinda still young. So how old are you. I'm twenty one heather and alex or a mixed couple. She works at nathan's. He works at brioche. Do ray in the patriot sandwich shop at the rest stop. This has led to a little into restaurant tension in the relationship. He's like well. I i work dish shift. I work this shift. Shift was busy like this and he's like well. It was like this so you know we ended debate over who is more busy and which ones more crazier which are harder so i've not been privy to these debates and i don't work at the rest stop but no one's fanatical about brioche story nathan's way harder across the lobby all the way across the other side from nathan's over in the travel mart and other one of our reporting team gregory warner. Was there when cashier kyra all right dragon started her shift. I think clara doesn't or ship before she rings up for sale or even opens a register. She picks up a three foot cardboard display pirelli's hand sanitizer and sets it down on one side of the cashier's counter. It's a simple maneuver that blocks redirects the flow of customers without it she'd get on bartered from both sides because del come over here ahead of the other people and causes an argument so by barricade so that they know they gotta go over over there this stack of <hes> two ounce pure l. stem from standing here and cutting people off. Everyone says i'm crazy easy but i i do it immediately. When i come in plus it saves arguments. You don't wanna sit round them up. You know more than they already are. Take clara grew up in a rough part of a story queens and spent her youth staying out of the way of trouble at paddock hill. He's worked nine years as waitress and then cashier here. I was waiting to send bob big void and when they shut that down may openness and i jumped in here so <hes> asking if she put barack obama and she thinks she's a good president or a tall guy with a sunburn and pink polo shirt wags of butterfinger par. Ask her she'll tell you think obama's going to give you free healthcare and you deserve. Clara looks up at the angry man. She wears bifocals. Shimmery is shadow addo. She doesn't say anything she just smiles. It's a smile so genuine that the man can't help himself. He smiles back. Democratic assegai continues talking politics but less belligerently clara still doesn't say word and by the time he collects his change. He's halfway apologizing. Claire claire hasn't spoken. We were stuck in new york man bid traffic. You have a good day. Excuse my language absolute for example of of what we deal with and you gotta some higher. That's an example of what you deal with all the time but sometimes there <hes> battling the roads or this heat or traffic especially. They're coming in fuming there even rough with their the families you know so you just say i'm sorry no rush. I rushed to get them out so that they don't have to be on longer than possible civil. You know i only had one run in with someone a while back who got on my goal and i yelled back at him which we're not supposed us to do but he just got me. I was doing it facts for a truck driver. There's a fax machine under the cash register and my head is down and all of a sudden sudden. I hear you're very rude. I pick my head up and he says very rude. He says you're doing whatever you're doing down. There is paying attention attention to me. I said i'm doing facts for someone. It's important no. It's not he says. I don't give a heck what you're doing down there. I'm gonna report you. He says ads in it's gonna make my day. I couldn't take it. I says you do that. If it makes you happy that's it. That's the one time she yelled accustomed. After midnight. Businesses are still left. Open the rest stop. There's a gate blocking in that room with all the new york state pamphlets but a promotional video plays inside in the room behind the gate all night long two people from our team of reporters. Jay allison and nancy update stayed up for the midnight to eight a._m. Ship here's nancy i between midnight and eight a m first question isn't where you going but why. Why are you awake at a rest. Stop when it's a two a._m. Even what for him i believe yeah boy. I'm in the morning so notice. They're both laughing. It's funny seriously. Is this where you intended to be at two a._m. We had no idea we're time we would be here. Actually didn't make any plans. Actually we figure we would drive until until we got tired and then hopefully find a place we'll call those people the non planners and then there are the planners. That's the way my son likes to dry with a lot of traffic on oil so that's why we are on the road this time to want it and then they're the people jay's talking to the bad planner's over at one of the tables sebastian and john are getting their last hot meal before they switched to granola. They're headed into the adirondacks start hiking at dawn and they're in a good mood laughing a lot and talking. Maybe a little nervously about bears bear bell l. I'm alright dinner for them and you. Are you worried about bears. Well you said a pretty active up there so if she them all over especially when you have a food around you they come visited definitely watch out for that can't keep reminds me. I forgot the bear canister. Wait so you forgot to bring the thing the the food in the puts bear canister. You put all your food in anything with odors. Seal it up and you stick like about one hundred yards from your ten after good idea where in your apartment yeah it's out in the parking lot. Tony and debbie longo are lost and it's tony's fault thing about tony is is not supposed to get lost in new york city homicide detective. I don't know how i missed that exit. You don't know how the big sign <unk> bridge and there was when you're a cop. You're not supposed to make mistakes in that direction. Direction thing has to be down. Pat louis control a i hate my whole family right now. They wanna leave in the morning. God forbid woman the morning time you'll even the mall it's after three in the morning and they've been lost for hours and debbie. Longo says she's not a happy camper but you can tell she is still soft. Serve and it's not taking my money. I don't care anymore. I don't can't let me get fat and i don't care. I'm gonna blow up like like a balloon big fat wife. That's okay. Isn't there some truism about. If you wanna test your relationship go on a long drive together what i'm saying is i'm expecting a lot of grouchiness here at the rest. Stop during the graveyard shift scowls sniping mutual recrimination instead. I keep seeing couple after a couple walk up to the glass doors of the rest stop and reach for each other's hands right before they walk through instinctively like here we go you and me couples of every age twenties forty sixties. What are your names. <hes> editor peter it did to peter are on a five hour hour drive to pick up their kids from summer camp their first time at camp in other words a- parenting one on one trip unexciting long and happening at an inconvenient time but listen to them laughing. Do the kids wanna go or did you say you're going to go. Our oldest left for college exactly focusing time so it works. Well return for ourselves and they had free time for themselves. It's at this point that i blurred out the most obvious and inappropriate question. What did you do with your free time which they handle admirably we ready you know heads time to connect some romantic dinners and spend time together. When was the last time you had time to do that. Before this twenty years ago and there's more giddiness inside the rest stop another couple lisa and marcus you see me giving him little kisses and how cute he was when he walked lisa marcus as you can tell are in deep. They're looking get a map on the wall of this half closed. Stop on the way up to lake. Champlain go camping. It's the middle of the night. They've gotten lost already not sure where they're going to sleep but the two of them cannot cannot stop smiling. I can feel endorphins radiating from them. In waves they met salsa dancing less than a year ago and love is making me ma'am vicious. We're planning on maybe moving to argentina and we started dancing tango here in philadelphia so we want to become unprofessional. Tango dancers joke not not outside the rest. Stop katerina and johnny any are sitting next to each other on a bench not a bench and a beautiful park a bench looking out on a highway and a parking lot of course they don't care in fact. They seem not to have noticed noticed at all canada. You're going to montreal new york janis finishing up his residency but he's not sure he even wants to be a doctor thirty five years old with more than two hundred thousand dollars in school debt but he doesn't wanna talk about that. He's on a road trip with his girl. He brushes off my questions leans into the microphone and steers us back to what we should be talking about. Love me tender. Eh love mitch megan ah but even at a rest stop that's fizzy with love. There is heartache as i'm standing outside a man. Ask what i'm doing so i ask what he's doing. We ended up talking for a while. His name is dan. He's driving back upstate new york. After a day in new york. City spent some time on my boys. How old are they nineteen and twenty my twenty three. How often do you see them. I'm not often on trying to make it more regular dealer. Just got divorced like like a year or so ago and so they they're staying with their mom so i'm staying seeing less than them seem like once a month. How does the divorce for them. We don't really know seems to be okay for them. You know it's a little weird still but <hes> you know. Are we still try to do things together and using your ex wife and the kids don't do things with her anymore. Last last year my son's eighteenth birthday we went skydiving together for review. Y'all four of us like she want her boyfriend to come and i was like i actually called him and said don't come called him. I called him left a message very polite message and i was like michael. Please don't come. You know you know him. You have his number yeah. I knew him yeah. It was a tough thing she wanted him to to come and go on my son's eighteenth birthday and it was like really it was just too weird. It's a very weird thing now. China be friends with your ex and then and you can't really be friends and then then you have a girlfriend and then just such a difficult thing you know. She didn't want me to go to the house to pick the boys up and then you know and then one week we're having a good conversation next week. Something like that comes up and you're like you know you have the thing you want to call that person and yell at let me talk to them about it but you don't have that relationship anymore. That's a hard moment when you realize right. We don't have that relationship anymore. Try to counseling and stuff and try to get it or come back. She didn't want to go to counselling. She went with me one time but then <hes> she <hes> she wouldn't stop seeing the sky this other guy. She's seeing so i mean that kind of i made her pay. The co pay my left the other guy michael i had actually met him. I'd met him at a party and and heard him become friends and then they just became more and more you know intimate and instead of trying to work stuff out with me. She was trying to work stuff. I would hate him so think about a lot lot beat myself up for you know where they go wrong this a father as a husband or whatever you know and i'm basically forty five years old and i figure half my life is over and i'm really trying to figure out what to do with the next half. I know this is just a rest. Stop but really some kind of loved. Force field is in effect here tonight because guess what dan has a new girlfriend. She's at the rest stop with him. Just doesn't want to talk into a microphone. They met through singles group and they've been together long enough that they've started meeting. Each other's kids still complicated but wow it feels great. I just told her tonight so i don't know what i'd do without somebody else in my life i mean it's and i find a woman that really loves me and it's like so over old by that you know it's just it's a miracle yeah it is. I'm optimistic about the future very optimistic in the parking lot when i first saw steve e. g. from a distance since i thought he was naked right now. I'm di kingking the muscles in my budig then he kicked one leg in the air above his head and i saw he was wearing the little white jim choose it opens up the fountain of youth in the front of the hip joint and then he jumped into a pool of light and i saw he actually had on some tiny black nylon shorts stevie g teaches bodywork pilates yoga massage and such and he stopped at this rest stop to stretch and move. It's hard not to notice though that while stevie is working out in the parking lot he's simultaneously smoking hand-rolled cigarette. That's what i am. Um you know. Unfortunately i'm bleeding my lungs but they're doing well. You know i clean them out on a daily basis. So how do you clean them out. <hes> usually usually a mixture of running steaming and meditational breathing and not swallowing what i cough up. I always spit it out you now. I have a little cup. I can spit out all out on never swallow it. Our conversation by the way is happening next steve vehicle which figures largely in his life life. It's an old yellow school bus. He got up in woodstock to start a volunteer service program picking up the drunk people going into the bars and finding finding the ones that are looks really bombed. You know offer them a free ride home but now steve e. G. has a larger vision for the bus. He wants to build a health centre made of school buses before he leaves the rest. Stop steve e. G. gets out a big foam roller and takes it to his favorite spot for final stretch all right. We got all the all the big eighteen wheeler trucks on one side. We got all the smaller cars over here on the other. We are on eighty seven highway this where i think it's the cleanest you just gotta. Watch out to see the dogs have been here about davos gupta belly burn the jelly america. You gotta get off your fat one and do something good something good like solid food food. Get out there and help others and especially help yourself to be your best so that you are not a cranky old full. Now we all gotta pull up. The hill stevie rolls all around the sidewalk with truckers looking down at him from their cabs. He doesn't notice when he's all loosened ended up. He picks up his roller and heads back to his vehicle as my baby steve e. G. coughs up some phlegm spits it out and heads off per woodstock. It's morning english. Sparrows are congregating like crazy in the trees just outside the rest. Stop doors standing out in the parking lot nine year old brian ryan belco looks kind of like a bird. Actually his eyes are bright. His arms are stiff at his sides and held out a bit like wings and when he speaks into the microphone phone he bobs his head forward like he's pecking at it going fishing up in swanton vermont. You're gonna catch pi- pick kick will perch well. It sounds like you've done this before yet. This is yet but the tradition start with my family starting with my great grandfather other. My grandfather was a great fisherman. He really likes fishing saw so we went to lake champlain in some of the cabins were built right over logic storage battlefield field of the war in eighteen forty two the battle of awfully champlain. You're a student. This is my first. We do interview ever really you did great. I know i'm really really really exciting say goodbye. I have a great vacation with a new day here. We have just a time time for one final note. 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Teddy Atlas on Cus D'Amato - Boxing Legend & Trainer to Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson - PART 1

THE FIGHT with Teddy Atlas

1:13:51 hr | 9 months ago

Teddy Atlas on Cus D'Amato - Boxing Legend & Trainer to Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson - PART 1

"Welcome to the fight with Teddy Atlas. Some Ken rideout joined as always by the greatest trainer in the history of boxing. Teddy Atlas. Teddy how you doing. Who is that that Grizzly Adams my quarantine disguise? It's that's not that's real. What are they doing out in California they keep in? I know that the gravity toilet paper all over here. What are they grabbing razor? Blades up over there. My California friends aren't going to approve this. This is far too rustic for them. But I was going to shave it off my wife. My wife liked it and she said no no keep it on. Let's hear what Teddy has said Ted? He's going to have a lot of opinions. I mean grooming it. I see you sure you are making sure. It's not messy care of it. Yeah I'm trying new grooming. Let me ask you when when you in your Lamborghini and your Ferrari does to keep the window to keep the The top down does it. Cool it off. Does it feel I mean I mix it up? Does that come into play at all? I mix it up a little with the beard. I tend to keep the Top up a little. It gets the beard all Musi but if it's when I'm clean shaven I keep the top down typically and always when rob's eerie insists on the windows in the top down so everyone can see him. Everyone could see those. Ferraris are big hit. One of these days. We'll give a tour of my dream garage and let everyone see. The cars actually be a little levels garage. We can put my nanny's car in there my wife's minivan it'll be a big hit. You look good kid. They'll look good. Thanks brother are you doing how you hold up you had your you had your Co Vitesse community details. Yeah thank God. Everything was came back negative And how was the process? What was the testing in the swab? Like those painful the swamp they they have to go up high up in nasal cavity to get an accurate tasks. I guess so they go up pretty high so it's a little painful to be honest you know. It's it's quick and experts donated. Good people donate. It'd be honest with John. Was like an army combine and starting out. It's the added Neo hospital in a parking lot area where they had the. I guess the National Guard but to me it was law me and they had the place Hunkered down would army personnel medical personnel. Check you had to go through like eight different checkpoints. It's it was pretty. Surreal to be honest with Jack like a movie like a movie. You never thought that become visiting you know yeah the -ality and it really did did Strike home as far as though Scifi movies we used to see years ago. Never thinking that it could be that close to happening You again. It's just all these army. People tremendous people tremendous can't applaud. These people these frontline is enough. The health aide the nurses the doctors everybody. The national guardsmen. Just tremendous what they're doing being out there but and then as you went through these different choke points and you got closer to where you were going to actually get your task. You had two people know the full Gob you know like a spacesuit yeah you know and that's again it hits you like this is where we are like yeah. Wow you know the seriousness of it that to me is one of the most shocking elements of this whole thing is how quickly we went from our normal everyday life to this new normal. I mean I feel like honestly it was like forty eight hours of when they cancelled my children's last-day-of-school until we were just here and not doing anything. I mean we haven't been able to do anything other than grocery shop. Nothing we took a drive in the car one sin. It was just like as you can imagine what a little kids trying to drive around. I thought it would be nice and relaxing. By the time it was done I was like had two of them in a headlock threatening the other two. Were spankings it was. It was a disaster list. You don't make it easy on them. You're squashing him into a Lamborghini. I mean come on and then are comfortable. I mean how which and the only good thing about you would you know you go. Great Toys that you have in the great ability to choose what call? Ya of his that you could also choose what color Lamborghini down and we'll color Ferrari so the kids. I'm sure that's where they have fun. Dad I want the yellow one today. Yeah I wonder if they took. They took their first trip in the Lamborghini truck so they went pretty happy about that and I can't wait. I can't wait until this episode is out there and you get those emails that I know you so enjoy. That won't come flying your way. They will. Oh yeah you know people start asking me technical questions about my Ferrari like you know which. Which kind of wheels do you? How do you have ceramic brakes? Something like listen. I hate to break the news to you but we're not driving a Ferrari or Lamborghini with or without the beard is weird. I'm dying to hear the feedback though. I'm sure the Youtube comments will be very very kind and friendly to me. They always are great. Well Listen Today. With the. Obviously with the lack of boxing there is There's never a shortage of stories to talk to you about History of boxing and In particular your own history and What I'd like to do today if it's okay with you is talk about your experiences up in catskill with customers. If you don't mind I love to ask some questions about it and then see where we go and Kinda. Get into some of the details. That maybe haven't been discussed in the past some of the people who've read your book. Listen to the Audio version may have a brief understanding of how you came to be acquainted with cuss and I ended up in the catskills but just to kick this off. Do you WanNa give just a quick description of how you first came in touch with us. And what led you to catskills. And how the how. The early days of the relationship began is some of it. I won't go too deep Yeah because they can get lava V very happy. What I'm about to say. They can get the audio book if they want to go deeper and I listen. I'd say that have kidding. I wouldn't hold anything back of somebody wanted to hear something. I'll tell it to you. You don't have to go by the book but Obviously for just for time. The sake of time constraints I can't go into too much. I was in trouble. I was a eighteen year old kid. That was Drifted into trouble on that. You know I was an idiot. Sometimes we idiots and But like I say I got to the right place eventually Sometimes to pat this a little crooked. My pants was a little cook. It and Sometimes you look things. You don't know what you're looking for and it takes a long time to realize what it is that you weren't looking for versus what you thought you were looking for. So I was lost than I was on his streets. Act IN THE ALLMAN Gubbay self in trouble and I got an opportunity during this period and obviously I'm leaving out a lot of details purposely because of what I just said so we can move this forward. I wound up with an opportunity to go up to custom Otto join US tumultuous tumultuous time in my life Whereas a young kid. I could be with this. Not only this master Who had been basically retired and there was just a legend about him but he was retired open catskill and or semi retired and I would have an opportunity to go up there and be in a safe place be up and two and a half hours away from my troubles and stuff I put myself into and I be able to be in a safe place in box and learn something. Learn something not just about boxing but about life so and I was good friends who covered Mooney at the time and we had been friends since we will kids and he had gone up there four months earlier because he won a New Yorker gloves. Give you a time reference. Nineteen seventy five. You WanNA gloves. And I had boxed with them I was in a gym in a pal with him and he went up there to turn pro eventually and had an opportunity because of friendships which I also knew them to open. Kevin knew them better I got to know them better. Though as time went on with the great writing family. Very talented family From Brooklyn Hamels. I mean Pena Hammer was great right. A- wrote novels and was the editor of the newspapers. Daily News papers Different Times Dennis. Hammo unbelievable writer. John Hamill Brian. Hamill tremendous photographer did a lot of forty Lot of a woody Allen movies of the still photography stuff for that so you had a really talented family. They were boxing fencing from Brooklyn New Kevin and they made it the open the door for him to go with the semi-retired retired legendary boxing girl customizable who add. Floyd Patterson Jose Torres and he was basically in this bedroom Victorian Mansion. It was over one hundred years old on ten acres of land on Hudson River and he was up then he invited me he got caused to say yeah. I could go up there so I went up there and when I went up there I saw two trading to box. I wound up going into tournament. Winning the adirondack call gloves and becoming one across his fighters but it was a very quiet time up there because because really didn't have anybody the other than Kevin another kid. Kennedy's Emma who later on became a referee It a few kids that came from across the river that would come over to our jewelry. Once in a while with a guy named Freddy Sheba. God bless him. I'm sure he's he's passed by now. Who was an older man at that time and so again it was too. We'd be trying to do on a day knows about it and I lived. I kind of lifestyle you know. Doing roadwork training going into gloves. Winning the gloves and obviously having an getting to know 'cause living in house I shared a bedroom on the of the very big bedroom on the third floor with Kevin while being up there turns out. I wound up being up. There's almost eight years but I I live I have my bed was on one side of his was on on the side. There was a pool table in a metal and no air conditioning so God hot sauna. Selma's out there in. Oh and just live at a fighter's life really in all way from all the distractions and influences. That won't too good obviously in my life away from all that around this guy who talked wisdom it all. He taught philosophy you know. He talked life. How long were you training as a boxer before you segue into like more of the training? What did you have? Was it a neck injury or back injury. Yeah well I was training already down in New York state now is a fighter and then I spent a year you up there with him and then I had a a back problem and cuss talked me into getting. The book goes into more I want to not have it be too long here but I wanted to fight and yeah cuss WanNa fight but then this happened and talk me into becoming a TRAINA. He thought I had an ability to teach matter of fact he said. Oh you're born trade. Born teacher actually not born trainer one teacher because there's a difference between teacher and trainer. Training could just say go to five over here to six over here and check you out and a half hour. You know what a teacher teaches. You know it's different hasn't always have an ability to transfer his knowledge to you and So he thought I had that and there was a lot things going on. I I had my trial date I reached that trial date torn that year and cost came down and spoke on my behalf and funded. The judge was serious. I was I was a serious idiot. Yeah and I was facing a lot of time ten years. Thank God you know tool my stupidity. I hurt myself more than I heard anyone else. Although I shouldn't say that but thank God no one else got hurt. But I shouldn't say that because I hurt my family But then I tried to make up for when I finally discover the right path. It all in new. I wasn't trying to do what I wanted to try to do. And 'cause talking on my behalf and my lawyer doing a good job I got I spent some time. Obviously before that and rikers little just a little bit where you know when I first got incarcerated but during that period that I was out on bail and like I said I spent all that time up and cats go I found a direction and you know but sometimes you're not even when you think that you're there you're not there yet You know and so when the cloud was removed of fear that was over me of going to jail I went back to. I didn't stay up there. 'cause wanted me to stay up there to train. All the fight is because I told you I described was baron. He wanted me to stay up there train. All the fine. I didn't want to do that. I was too. I was too young. I think I could think about doing that. I wasn't ready to do that. selfishness. I'm sure You know wanted to what I thought was more fun. What you think is easier sometimes harder but you know So I went back to sat down and did the same old crap. Get in trouble again. Know everything else. I picked this thing up on the side of my face during that time because obviously I went back to doing stupid stuff in street and stuff I wasn't I wasn't ready to learn and So I went back but during that period that I went back it a one year period during that period. I didn't know that it was ever going to go back to catskill. But during that period back 'cause kept in touch with me every day and you know he can't about me and he always tried to get me to come back you know and he understood that one of the most important things to me was says loyalty. Yeah because we don't get it. You want it what I got in trouble. A couple of guys older than a they got talked into kind of giving me up. That's not loyal. Yeah and I didn't do it so I I thought loyalty was was something important was was it was just It was interesting to me. It was it was. It was just something that was valuable. Yeah you know I saw my father as a doctor was loyal to patients. He went to see patients loyalties. In different forms he went to see patients when he was sick when he when he when he when he had trouble with his hot And he was putting nitro Pou onto his tongue. I didn't know what that was. I was a little kid But he he. He was still loyal to his patience. Yeah he had surgery a he went and still went and saw patients a day after the surgery. Come on come on you know and loyalty and I saw it. I wanted it. I just I wanted it. Do you remember what what was the turning point when costs convinced you to come back to catskill like? Was there an incident where you're like? Okay that's it. I gotTA GET OUTTA here. Well that was the thing. He played on the Loyalty He. He was recognized of traits of human conditions. 'cause cuss had x Ray Vision. That way he saw it he knew so he said okay. I need you to help Kevin. Rooney's fighting in your state fair back in those days. The Ohio State Fair was a national tournament the biggest national tournament boxin as bigger than the nationals. I mean it was huge. Who's Ohio State Fair? Three rings running at one time everybody in the country was there. Everyone and Rudy was trying to make the Olympic team so winning the Ohio State. Fair gave you a leg up in that day so he went went into. Nashville's got you invited to the trials. These tournaments important the best of the best so he knew he said Announced TECH SO. He called me up. Liz Kevin Rooney's going to the state fair. He needs somebody to work as corner. I H he knew that I would. I didn't feel like going into the Ohio state had given up this great life of hanging out all night on the street and fighting every day and every once in a while I hit you in the head or try to. I'll I did want kind. I DIDN'T WANNA LOOT. That would be like you lose. You'll ever know what I mean. I didn't want to give that up. I was too. What a great thing. I had idiot right so I 'cause new that's all you had to say. I need you know that else. I need you to the bank. I've Gone Ohio State Fair with Kevin Rooney for Week. And and he made it all the way to the finals. He should've won. And of course 'cause knew how to feed me he said I you did a great job. We'd be David Moore future world champion. I think we beat them in the quarterfinals. David more from New York Great Kit. Yeah great world. Chevy Judy Midway Chevy. Go God bless him. He's not with us. No moral terrible accident and He he's A. He's divided that Roberto Duran won his title back from a Madison Square. I was there. And we'd be David Moore new quarters and we. I'm trying to remember who we beating the semi's all good fighters and that we fought bad. But I'm going to get people out there. They're going to send stuff it. I know it I know it. We got real fans bad but not maze from the CROCK. Fast he was he was hey. He was bad he was bad. He wasn't called bad for you. Know not being good as a fighter so he he We fight him into finals. Rooney had tend to skin. You know he did it. Start bleeding during the national anthem. It was one of the weaknesses you know. I mean what are you GonNa do? You can't control that. Yeah so here we all. We fought five times that we call ready four times five times I assure and here we. Aw and we're in. The finals will Benard Maze. And figured out how we're GONNA fight him and what happens. He gets cut right over the eyelid In the first round and safety came first they were very careful They stopped the fight. After the first round on cut Kevin was gonNA win the fight. I know you could say that at that time we were you. Were you in the corner like we was just you and Kevin or in other words. Did you have a cut man with you? What were you doing everything? Well I did everything. But but Averages you couldn't really deal with. I mean the way you could cut in ten round fight. Yeah you just put pressure vessel lean. You know yeah and it was. Cut The company looking southward because in the amateurs it's all about protecting the fighter into safety level. You know unless you would one of their favorites. They might need some guy and they didn't see that the guy was caught. You know what I mean like. Oh I didn't realize you know. And they let him as just in the images you remember when Tyson fury looks like he got shot with a bazooka in his eye and let them keep going. Was it against Auto Wallin. Yeah there's no way if that was auto Wallin they would've stopped at the second cut. That was as bad as we saw. I mean rarely. You didn't have to be like I say on. Espn you didn't have to the Mazen Prescott to figure that one out and all so that was his way of get me back and then of course you know. I took care Kevin Every day of May Choi Eight ride maitree mate. Wait you have to make weight every day? You gotta you know go go through all the I mean little things like we got. A rainstorm was outdoors three rings at a rainstorm star. One day and in the middle of here we are and you'd be fighting to in the morning because there was so many fighters in the preliminary rounds can and here we are the state fair muddy dirt everywhere. Now it's mud and you've got guys open rings sliding across the ring right outside the ring but why like like. Was it ice skating contest? I mean it was crazy but they gotta keep going because they got so many fights to get through so you got guys get an and again answers muddle over the ring and is a slide and fallen everything. So I'm looking I'm saying Kevin Stay. Stay here. We found an area under a tent somewhere. I said stay here. Keep your shoes clean. Keep up and let me get some plastic bear. Kevin was like what are you GonNa do? I just let me figure this out so I went. I got plastic bags. I put him around shoes. I tape and then because where. You accumulated the mud. Ken was the walk to the ring. Because you're walking through a fairground so I got plastic bags on his feet. And and Kevin's looking to me. So what are you doing is it? Just GonNa put these on and we're going to get to the ring clean and then when we're up just before we start. I take off and you're going to have an edge on the other guy you will you have mud all over your shoes and you will slip and then. I took scissors and I you know. I scored the bottom of his shoes to give more traction just little things like that so we we want to fight that night. We were the only one that wasn't sliding yeah looking looking like Olympic skaters. You know what I mean and yeah and we win a fight and I also told them benjamins more. Sit Down more take steps. Don't don't don't move the way you normally move. Move more like short steps. You know stuff like that. Just it was common sense to me. And when 'cause heard about it afterwards heard about the conditions he said Say Say I told you your trainer so you know he started working on me and he was you know and then like I. I spent that year I spent that year back in New York getting in trouble. I picked up this stoop scar on my side of my face. Living a life I was living at finally I went back to cats go. After one year circumstances led me back a couple kids from the neighborhood came up to me I was hanging out on the street and they said could you teaches had a box For some reason I was inclined to say yes and I started teaching them in a little rundown gym and edit closed on the summer so I took a little bit of equipment. I went to a park with them and I started training him in a park and I train them every day. I gave them rules. I gave them curfews and I've I'm training them. Tavee Day you know and Years later a priest used to take what he called his constitution. That's a fancy way of saying. He took his walk. You Know Father Murphy and he would take his walk and he used to. It was sometimes too. Was things going on a selling drugs stiff and stuff so he didn't always feel safe. Tell when a priest doesn't feel safe you know. I know that's not good so I was just thinking he right so he would. He said he years later. He told my mother in charge. He said I always felt good. He was I was fellow and he talked with a broke. A said I always felt good with the lots when I saw teddy and lots of their boxing. I felt better secure safe so he was short of his walk instead of walking. You know for our this way. He'd go back and forth always with within our eyesight so he felt better that way you know and it was funny after why he got comfortable he. He passed by C. I'll keep keep your love love trumpeter. I've said Oh all right Father Murphy. Thanks that's my job. I fought him high church. You say amen here on the one who says you keep your left up okay. But you know things like that. It was funny was crazy but it was all part of the path it turned out and so I was doing that and came a day where I got in trouble and I knew Sometimes it's easier to do something for someone else in yourself Yup. I couldn't do the right thing for myself for some reason. But then these two kids that I had been training and I was responsible for One of them came to my house and he was ready to put his life in jeopardy. Because I had had a fight in the street and the guys who are going to be supposedly looking for me like you don't tell people you're looking for someone. Can you know what I mean if you really? I mean that's not the way it's supposed to work but I can I. Can I tell you one one quick story about about along those lines? When the last time we recorded New York I think I told you the story I get on the subway down in Tribeca after we record and Mona packed subways five. Pm Shoulder to shoulder in Spanish guy gets on the subway car and a black guy gets on behind him in the Spanish guys like a construction work or maybe like in his thirties and the black guy says under his breath like F- bag or something and the Spanish guy turns around and he's like oh you talking to me. I mean I tell you. This thing went from zero to one hundred in like a split second so now they're screaming at each other and the and the black guy starts put his hand in his pocket and the Spanish guy saying get hands out of your pocket like basically like threatening and now the subway his packed with white collar workers and some woman is like pull the Stop Sign. Emergency Stop and for some reason. I just jumped and maybe my old like prison guard. Instincts kicked him. But I'm like I don't want to stop the subway car. I've we've been recording all day. I just WanNa go home and get something to eat so I jumped in between them and I was like guys enough. Come on. There's a packed subway. Get you please go over there at the so the Spanish guy was sensibly. It's like all right. Go over here and the Black Guy said. You're lucky you'RE GONNA get stabbed in the Spanish guy yelled at him. You Ain't going to do anything you know how I know people who were going to do something. Don't talk about it. They just do it. And that was the end of it and that was an everyone just kinda like even like why all these white collar people. Just kind of nodded like yeah. That's a good point and off. We went and they stayed apart but every time I think about that when people are talking about. I'm going to do this. I'm going do that. Most people aren't going to tell you before they stab. You will do something really hurtful right. I mean that's a pretty good rule of thumb and the guys were so I had a fight of you know a fair fight. And what these guys. And they didn't like whatever and so now those supposedly they're gonNA kill me so this kid that I training and he again loyalty loyalty so powerful so powerful and He you know he comes and comes to my house and I'm living with my parents and he's got something with him and he says we shouldn't wait around. You know I I said they do not. They don't WanNA fight. He says it ain't about fighting Ted in owes about you walkin somewhere one day not even thinking about it and you're not here no more he said. I think that they could actually do that because they are a little bit cowardly and he said so. That's not wait and he showed me this thing you know and I'm like are you kidding. Me He goes. Let's go get him. You know so. We don't have to wait and I thought now I could be when I needed to be in. The Stupidity Stops Because if I continue to stupid path of myself as now affecting these this kid who's ready to ruin himself me. I let that happen and I gave me a certain strength. I gave me a certain direction. I gave me a certain. I can't even tell you but I gave me Just woke me up and said Ey. I need to be better. This kid thinks something that he's ruled. The viscous fricken life for me. I gotta be better. I'm not that but I gotta become that. Yeah that makes sense. Yup and I just. I walked into the House and cosby trifle one year. To get me I called him up. Custard still woman. Come up come up now God bless him. He's come up right now. You coming up. I said well wait a minute. There's a little bit. It's not that simple as you get onto a train you get on the right time you come up. I said No. It's not that simple. I have been trained and I got two kids. I think at first he was like you. I can't baby I said No. No no no no. I'm not a kid because I would call. The Fi just was a natural thing. You call them kids. Yeah even all the couple years older you know so I took it. You got kids. You got some pregnant. And no no I. I got to fighters fighters you would try to fight his. I told you you were saying I said look. It's a long story. I it's it's not like the ready to fight Jake. Lamotta you know what I mean. Yeah so I said look I gotta bring them with me. I can't leave his. He said okay. Bring them with you but come and I brought him up and those kids stay dead. Nine months got him jobs. They work they fought. They boxed a straight near live south to getting a writer. They both good kids that Bolton good places now because the poxy because of that time they were there but it wasn't for them a lifetime of this. They stayed eight nine months. I stayed eight years or seven years and the rest. The rest is what it is you know. I guess but because got his way he he got me to be his trainer. I went up there now. I became a full fledged trainer. We went from Jim. That had to three kids said it to ten fifteen twenty. Thirty forty fifty. We had a full gym and I was Dad. You know I was obsessed. I was obsessed. I was training prosed on a Jim. Jacobs would send pros caused it. I would train during the Dow training. Wolfert Bonito's when I was I mean it was one of the greatest fighters of all time. I was like twenty one years old and he is a guy who is the youngest world champions never going to be broken. He was seventeen years old and he won the world title outdoors in Puerto Rico in the rain against kid. Pompously Antonio's Avantis from Columbia a great fighter and he's seventeen years old and he wins the junior welterweight title and he goes on to win the welterweight against Carlos Palomino. I trained for that fight and he goes on then to win. A junior middleweight. Title Against Maurice Hope From London. So He's a treat division champion. I mean just and here I am. I get to train guys I can like I said during the day. Jimmy would send these pros and I'd be there at night and I'd be in gym seven days a week Just developing fighters and and I wanted my. I wanted my man to see it. You know 'cause how much time would he spent at the gym with you in those early days. Very little Just I already knew because I spent that first year being a fighter so he he wouldn't come. I would go along really for the most part. Because he wasn't good at that point in his life. Yeah that'd be putting in those kind of ours. I know what I know. I understand it better now as a grandfather because men it's hard getting on that flow of my grandchildren every day. It's hard can it is. It's not hard getting on the floor. It's hard getting up getting up. Yeah and every day so for Cuzco the gym and do what I I was doing. You know I'm a kid. I'm young. I nothing tied me not and slow me down. You know I just I go. You know you you all day. Yeah he would only come. He wouldn't come during the day he wouldn't come at night. He would only come periodically he would make sure. Somebody was dead driving along because he said this atlas stated frigging midnight. You know if there's a kid that's having a problem hey wind up to and I did like a kid was having a problem with A. I'd have to talk to the kids. Straighten it out. You know I've never. Sometimes it was funny. I get a kick out of it. We will love the police station and the courtroom. The courtroom was right across the Hallway from the gym. When I needed to talk to a kid about problems some at home or whatever it was going through. I go in the courtroom. I got kicked out. I sit in the judges chair. You know put my feet up you know. I would think to myself every once in a while. It wasn't long ago that I was on that side of the bench. You know and and it was and I was sitting here. You know so it was it was. It was kind of fun to to take about that but I I was. I was all in and cause was right. There was something you know what he was caught fire. He couldn't trump rather him and like I said he wasn't much heat. Only come maybe once a week twice a week. Sometimes you wouldn't come full week. Sometimes you wouldn't come for week and A and I would I would. I wanted him to come so bad because I wanted to see what I was doing. I've at one time been gone. Maybe two weeks and I got up to come to the gym. And he came and he. I never forget it because I didn't get paid nothing for this. You know of course like customer. You voted college paying the tuition. I got you know I gotcha. I'm going Harvard. It's better off it. A what is it. That is what is so all right. Yeah that's shoemaking. This is real. This is real learning. That's thanks. I said all right. This is real life. What do they do within all right? Whatever pretty smart I think some of those guys but so I would be. I would be just couldn't wait to get them to comedy. Come in and I'll never forget the first time. When he came in after a period of time had been gone by he comes in and he says and look. It wasn't no accident who was a genius. He had to keep me going. He got to. You got to put you on a car. Can fuel toy human being token yup. You know it's called you know. Satisfy Eagle to spirit. He was a genius. What does he say he says? Just like not directly to me because that would lose to force. He says to people that he goes. Look at. What atlases toy here as creating a stable fighters he's creating a gem of champions. Oh my God he might as well give me like a hundred thousand dollars in small bills right really I was like wow. Wow customer auto said that. Wow and that was good for another year. That was good for the year. So when you were trained guys would you go back to the House and debrief with costs and tell him what thing guys working on like? How much time would you spend talking about? The training strategies for some of the guys like a Kevin Rooney or some of the other younger pros. Let's say time but not a lot but just you know if I had a problem. I'd say you know I'm having trouble is getting hit with right hand or every once in a while. You lose cuss right away. You know he has a gun to the point where he can keep his concentration consistent enough. You Know He. He my father when my father was a great diagnostic doctrine. Yeah I would call my father up and cats go when I was up there and making them feel proud. Thank God thank God and I up there and some be wrong. I call my father's got all right. He's got this Soak Soak it in absence. So do this Go get this. Go pick up this and lay off. And he would just he'd he of what I was describing on the phone and he told me exactly what was wrong so I was same thing he he knew how to diagnose the problem just by hearing it so. I tell us the same thing right away. You know I'd say well you know. He's getting hit with a of once in a while he was getting hit with the with the Right end why. He's not moving after the JAB. He's getting hit because again with the jail right. Yeah he's over his head after Jabs always not moving quick enough. Yeah I know I know yes. Of course one of the things that he's also not noted for is all of the great expressions and sayings he's had over the year over the years and maybe talked to some of those and Some of the some of your favorites people who were born around dull dies square. Alright I liked that one a reporter one time asked them. Hey this is from some pending on me a reporter one time asked him who was worth worse at that time Don King. Oh Bob Arum Cuz said Arum the report. Ask Why 'cause said because I don't think God could have made the same mistake twice. Hey that's that's his starts. You know goes both ways. I'm sure Arab didn't like him either. Well speaking of Bob Arum. I know my beard is better than his. I saw an interview with him with Aerial Hawaii and his beard did not look good so I know that I don't have the worst beard. I think I think you're right. I think that The saying that stuck with me as a lifetime lesson. Lifetime Metaphor Lifetime Something to live by really really truly impacted me because I witnessed it and saw it as time went by. He took me as a young kid and he said Teddy. I think you can be you know. Obviously I think you could be special with some as whatever trainer and certain things I want you to remember and I'm going to tell them to you. I want you to remember them. I said I 'cause I'm eighteen years old nineteen years old. He says. Remember this if you remember one thing. Remember this because your journey's about life and life is like boxing. There's rounds win some you lose some but in the end when it's over you. WanNa get your hand race and there's rules those rules in a ring things to abide by same thing in life and he told me no matter what a man says steady. It's what he does in the end that he intended to do all. And you know you'd eighteen nineteen old. You don't grasp it but you do after a while as you travel down that road of life and you witness things in your experience things you go through all these things in your feel it you understand. It's about excuses. That's what's about people. Make excuses fanny thing but auto comes down to is what it's not. It's about choices. It's about being accountable. So about your word is about what you WANNA do. The rest of it is all BS. It's all BS. Yeah it's convenient to say that it rationalize it because we all have to rationalize things to live with it but in the end the certain things that stand up to the truth and certain things that don't and that stood up to the truth no matter what a man says no matter what he says. Oh this happened. That have no matter. What a man says what he does in the end is what he intended to do. All along yeah anyway There were a lot of lot of divide made notes to try to remind myself some of them but he added a lot of great science. A lot of wisdom. Tell you I remember one time. I'm driving back up to catskill with them. We used to go down every once in a while to get equipment down to ever last on Bruckner Boulevard in the Bronx the original warehouse and it was something just taken that trump along. We're going to have as we drive down there and then with driving and he's watching my speedometer to see how I going you know I want to get going a little bit you know. I mean John McCain. I'm trying to get moving. And he's a don't go over the speed limit and all of a sudden he would. He was getting older. He would fall asleep on me. You know so I see them like I said I you know natural right not being sneaky. Just speedometer goes to sixty now sixty five seven you know getting up there little man. Seventy you know and All of a sudden I see a moving. You know. I'll write slow. Bring it back down at fifty five you know. Go Look over. You go you speed. I said maybe no speeding speeding. Don't do that to yourself to what lie. Don't even go there. You don't WanNa do that to yourself do you. What does this guy of frigging mystic? Look he's got he's got me all like afraid to lie on a lie but afraid to lie now because I don't know what you gotta you got a camera. I don't know what you got up yours what you got so I said so I sit out right. I said you want to stick with that. Oh Mama you know. I don't know I I I was going you telling me this story. All I can think about is my time with you in Philadelphia for eight weeks and I mean if sounds like we could swab the name out cut costs in insert teddy. And you know what I said. How do you know all right? Okay how do you know I was? I was cleaned. He said because when I went to sleep I let you take our sleeping. Coz My eyes I I looked at the mile marker and then I timed to the next mile walk. Oh my I couldn't. I was wait a minute. I'm like I'm with like Captain Kirk from the from those Star Trek Dad to price. The AD says we're not drive a car anymore. I mean we're beyond the car he he's he's time and mile markers can so this was life for me would cause you know. I was beautiful but it was a lot to it and we get down to get down there to have a lasting would go into John John. Tom's office he was a decrease of vice president at the time. And I think you is the nephew of the guy who originated Not The nephew grandson. I think Of The guy who originated it whatever or the grandfather and We get down. There cuts a long lasting obviously relationship with Eva's and he told me Su only get go. This I go there you go there. There's my there's my trainer. There's my man he will be doing this years from now. I was like big myself. I will well. I'm going to be coming down from catskill when I'm like you know at this age there. I don't know about that. But you know they have with him and he says okay. Hey cousin already form you know it was like it was like You know Royalty came into place I and he went through the same thing it goes. You know I you know I was with your grandfather. When he started this business in a basement unclear of course straight. I know cause any told me I always get fifty percent off. 'cause you got fifty percent off. I just do you all right. You just remind you because you always get fifty percents off because of course okay. Let's go to the warehouse and you know we we go to the warehouse. Go right into the. Wow so there was no like going to the showroom or you know like anyone else. We walked right into the forget. It was a guy named dock that was then He. He'd throw in extra take it 'cause he got twelve few those shirts at the kids like a and he'd pick up you know. Pick up a thing like like this thick of John Shirts you know what I mean when they're all stuck together and he has this echo a little thicker Toyota. Go you know. Join US shirts and get It was something we had to go. Cuss was brought up. I was sure yes. Yeah you did a few times I always show you. Don't don't be a wise guy. I ever show you where I grow up. Come on. We'll go past that. Come on show you where we grew up high and you know we we. We go driving down the street. And he's a I. I grew up. I grew up over. Yeah I said I know and to me you know grew up across the Strait godse. Yeah I know Dot Scholz Murderers Inc. I said all right okay. Well okay glad everything turned out. Okay get into any. You know Y- Schultz coop over. I know I know cuts here. He lived over here and then We finally of risk you know eventually wind up on the New York state thruway gallant. Back catskill you know but it was a lot of. You're up. There had downtime. What would you guys do? Would you spend a Lotta time watching old fights? Would you watch just regular TV? What was like day to day life when you weren't in the gym? What did day life like up there? We will watch film sixteen millimeter. Can you know jump Jacobson and The biggest fight film collection the world was called big fights Eytan and sixteen millimetres on our project and we would put on a show me how to do it so I could watch anything I wanted and anything I wanted. I tell 'cause he called. Jim Jacobs who I would call. Jim Jacobs Hey semi Henry Armstrong. You got it. It'll be out there a couple of days you know and and we watched tapes films up there but not all the time but whenever we want it and sometimes me 'cause we watch a tape together and I'll say see Armstrong. Can you imagine atlas if we could get a heavyweight that can fight like Henry? Offshore Twelve rounds perpetual motion. Can YOU IMAGINE? And what have we got? We got one. Can you imagine? Can you imagine and we got one. We wound up getting more years later. You know but we got one but You know we would watch the tapes on like I said I tell you 'cause 'cause like watch body mill and and Mash and all and he. He had his idiosyncrasies. As eccentric schism geniuses are usually eccentric. And so he had his his ways. You know definitely and he would tell you a great story. I'm watching. I didn't get much time when I got time. I glad to while I watched. Maybe something dependent on it but always gonNA jump. This was during the Olympics and a watching the Olympics and caused it and watch anything other sports other than boxing. He used a comment. If I watch football what are you watching that way? What are you watching their Teddy Much football what is that thing. It's a ball. How come it's got a funny shape to it? Don't look like a ball. Come on 'cause com please. You don't know what a frigging football is can come on. It's was it shape like that like you know I really I mean you. Would you grow up in a ring? Like you're born literally in like a rank like twenty eighth round so but that was 'cause so I'm watching the Olympics watching the back then. That was huge and I hope I get the name right but I was watching history and to make I. I didn't know it at the time. Nobody did but every once in a while you privy to watch history in the making and I was. I was watching. I believe it was Nadia COMANECI which I think she was. I think she was from Romania. And I believe it was not a accommodate each the robber confirming a little while I know afterwards. Yeah and I'm watching it. And she's like twelve years old. Maybe thirteen and she looked like she was like ten. And she's she's up on a balancing beam and nobody in the history of the Olympics. Long history in gymnastics had ever ever performed a tent Ever I think I'm right rob. My manner confirmed that too. And here I am. You know unbeknownst to me. Hey I am ses trainer into making that you know. Everything is boxing boxing boxing. I'm glad to get a little relief. I'm watching it and it catches my eye and I can't get away from it. I'm watching and I can't stop watching his little twelve year old. Whatever she was fourteen years old. She's on his balancing beam and she awakes up in the air and then they come over and a heads here so a head is here and a legs common overhead parallel with a head and they got the came on a face all my God. I just know I'm watching sub two different and why I have no idea what gymnastics was really other than what I'm watching now and it was a lot better than watching bass fishing. You know what I mean. They put that on and I and I'm looking at her and cuss happens to war and he used always bust my chops. If I was watching anything for boxing he would say. What are you waiting for but boxing on yet I learned not been watching Nat so he comes walking in at the exact time as Nadia COMANECI. His legs are going over high ahead and she's and she's there and as look on our faces. Focus this concentration. And she's like this 'cause walks in and he says what do you what do you want and he looks at the TV set and he points can he. Points goes champion and he walks out of the room. Just said I mean really I that tells you all you need to know about. 'cause he points he goes. Oh champion. Champion champion at. He walks out of the room next thing. I know I'm listening to the commentators. I'm like what it costs to a stew and listened to commentators and all of a sudden. They're saying we are watching history. Ted Ten ten ten like holy cow. I PICK UP. Fares like yeah. I guess he's never been ten ten before and there it is there. It is just a little glimpse in a different way of Solan. Who is a master? A master at recognizing champions that it's all the same then. That's what I learned from that that he saw just by that looking face by that concentration. What it was taken took contorted her body that way. Freeze it that way. In no circumstances on that stage to do that and took the quality of a champion the concentration the character the well whether it was Muhammad Ali or not all the same champion stayed with me forever. One of the things I meant to ask you when we first started when we first started getting into. This conversation was how aware were you of cusses status as a legendary trainer. And how did you become aware of this? Like were you a student of the game from your early days. Like how did you become aware of like who was and what kind of legendary trainer he was? And how old was he at that point when you first went up there? Just People Ptolemy People just people. I wasn't aware of it. Kevin told me he said disguise of legendary Guy Teddy. He's you know he's living in basically in seclusion you know. He's he's a he's legendary guy chased a mob out of boxing. You know all this stuff that you know was was was tales and stories and he was just. I didn't know any of this stuff and doesn't mean all of it was accurate as I learned but time frankly He fought the IPC back in the day when the IPC. Jim Nora's Madison Square Garden All these guys They ran Frankie Carbo. Big Mobster A lot of these guys ran boxing and the IB the International Boxing Club. ran boxing and basically Had A monopoly on it and you know told you who was gonNA fight for a title. Who WAS NOT GONNA fight? It was going to be you know There was corruption. It's like there is today back then In some ways and some ways worse but in some ways not type like today. It's not back in those days. You could see it kind of like your new. Yeah some of our overt Kabul was overt. And today it's like the average person can't see it. Yeah put it's there but they can't say so what is worse in some ways. That's more dangerous. If you can't see it you know but yeah what made it. More dangerous back then to was You did have guys. That you know was serious guys That were in charge of Sir. Nice specs of it and yet had the in charge of all of it where today it might be dispersed and with different groups and different. You know organizations where was one overseeing it and that if that's a bad one can be worse if it's one does no alternative that's wall concentrated and the IBC read everything when cuss move. Floyd Patterson into position to win the heavyweight title which was really the head of the snake. That's what ran everything to heavyweight title. Once he got control over that as he said it doesn't mean his way was accurate quite frankly because he wasn't as time went on I found out I love him but I found out that his you know description of things and his explanation of what a was wasn't as pure as he put it for and his position of involvement. It wasn't quite as perfect. Said that he was fighting Ivy. See The mob and he was an that When he won a title he immediately put out a press release that Floyd Patterson a heavyweight champion. The world's biggest still in those days the biggest athlete in the world to a certain extent. the biggest title in the world And of course again if you talk about boxing that's what was you know. That's what led boxing heavyweight title. So if you had the heavyweight title you were basically the boss of Boxing. You were the most powerful guy in boxing. And once he got that position he put out a memo that said Floyd Patterson everywhe- Jeb of the world will no longer fight. Eddie I B C Affiliated Fighters Bang. Wha- what so he. He was a pioneer and he now he had to start fighting guys in creating places and creating Building guys up and creating some you know reason for you to want to see these matches rather than a guy's IBC had more readily available. That were the more likely guys to be the greatest opponents or the greatest challenges he started coming up with. You know offshoot guys that woven attached to the I B C and he needed to do that. Yeah I remember correctly. One time ROB check it from A. I think it was was a Pete Radha maker but it was Olympic gold. Medalist course was ahead of his time. He was a guy that came up with these things. Kind of like the guy that owned the Chicago White Sox years ago Was that guy's name and he used to come up with all kinds of trickery. Different things to bring people to the ballpark. You know. Yeah come up with all kinds of different idea. One time he he He actually he actually signed a jockey or midget As a baseball player. Why because he was sure that he would walk every time. Because you couldn't strike them out because his strike zone was so small and it was just a way of bringing peace. So 'cause had to come up with and you either have it or you know so 'cause came up he said we're GONNA fight. Pete Rackham rather bike announce those again. You had to get someone who was with diabetes. And you had to give you had to have some selling point to it. Of course it was gonna be a big advantage to patterson because 'cause wanted to protect. Patterson but at the same time to a the magic of it was to make it. Look like could be competitive. Yeah so so. I think it was pizza maker who was an Olympic gold medalist and he signed up to fight. Patterson and his first pro fight fighting for the heavyweight title. Am I right? Can you imagine can no no you know? They can't first pro fight and the guy making out of the ring. I got dropped. I remember every guy was a gold medalist. I think he got dropped. And then Patterson knocked him out in one round. Or two rounds. Rob's could come up with but but whatever was these kinds of things that were going on. Yeah 'cause was doing you know and Like I said he you know he but but he forgot to tell you he told me. Yeah Buddy forgot to say that while he was fighting all this these people and his power in this you know scorch he was one of his main guys was a guy named Charlie. Black Aka. Charlie Antonucci a cousin of For Tony Salal Tony. Salerno was of arguably the biggest Gangsta N- and In the country in Oh yeah fat. Tony Salerno Yeah so you know left out a couple of things. Maybe I don't know I don't know he was my guy he he whatever he said. I listened to an end but I have my own mind so I I started to figure out what made sense and what was just something out of respect that it was caused that I listened some of the things that I picked up on from being with you in Philadelphia. See where Rob Scott so. It is in fact the first time. A boxer has fought for the heavyweight world championship in their first professional fight. Radha MAKER FLOOR. Patterson in the second round knock down in the second round came back to score seven knockdowns. Radha maker was counted out at two fifty seven of six around. He pissed them off. He pissed them off. Yeah I mean listen it was. It was loose stuff. You Know New Horizons People doing you know. Listen I put it all out there. he's my guys. My mentor is the greatest of all time. But I just put it out there with Salerno. Because I'm not hiding anything you know one thing. People hate me like me in between. I don't care that's your choice but I'm going to. I'm going to try to put it all up. I'm not gonNA hide something for Convenience. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa tell you. Yeah I'm telling you my guy. Is You know he's he? He might have had a few awards but we all do but he was still special. That's right some of the stories that I remember from the book and from spending time with you in Philadelphia an over the past year and a half is some of the ECCENTRICITY eccentricities of cause and living in the housing catskill and just wondering how many of those eccentricities you may have picked up on and talk to me about the Food Organization in the house at the catskill. I just remember you talking a little bit about this and I think it was really interesting and entertaining. So maybe you can talk about that. Shopping Day was was a big day. Hose saw epic was Camille. Would come back with all the groceries. You know you have a Haussa fight is maybe you know. Depending on the time I mean you always had me Rooney this guy named Jay and And at the beginning. That's all you had Camille and cost. But then of time to time you had fighters that would stay up there. You know and then there was a period. We laid around a few years later when Tyson. M- moved in and we had a couple of the fighters and you know we we had. We had a houseful So shopping was a big deal. 'cause 'cause He loves food coveted food. You know he. He always talked about you know. Being Italian and food research food was important and even when they didn't have money to his father always made sure they had foot somehow made sure they ended up food. Food was important full. You know if you had food you okay. No matter no matter what just status on a totem pole of life for as long as add food. You're doing all right. So it was. He was always afraid of not having enough. Everybody rob here. This one went long. So we've broken it into a part one part two. If you're listening to or watching this on Monday may fourth part two will be up on Thursday may seventh. Hope you enjoyed part one If you're a fan of the show please take two minutes to review it wherever you're listening or if you're watching on Youtube please be sure to subscribe. Thanks guys will be back.

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Ix Oh boy Jesus Goddamn Chris. I was explaining someone yesterday. They're like you're very busy right right and I said Yeah I'll because here's how it works. What how it works is something gets on the schedule like Sema? That's on the schedule. Six six months ago or the the ball Brian Event or whatever it is that gets on the schedule and then everything else around it starts filling in and then. It's sort of like well. Jay Leno wants you to go to town on Saturday morning. Okay and then you get email from Jimmy. Hey Kevin Beans last day they want you to come down and so much inches like wait. Don't you have a book to right right and so none of this is that in this gets put on schedule. And then who am I to say no to Kevin and bean or Jay Leno or anybody so what ends up happening and the re I just came from Kevin and bean is I have So Jimmy says we should go to Kevin and bean and we should say goodbye and We'll go in at seven twenty any and we'll get there seven ten and we'll be on at seven twenty and We'll hang in for a couple of segments say peace and then then route so of course I have interviews lined up between their studio in this studio because I can't have a second where I'm not doing something. So you're going to be in the car so set up some interviews so I interview it. Eight and then Call Ben Shapiro show at nine thirty or whatever it is anyway So I I. I'm driving over early this morning. And I'm having anxiety about being late because of Jimmy because Jimmy is insanely prostate and not only is he prompt like he's just one of these dudes who when we'd go oh to Pasadena to do the up fronts on a Sunday at noon. The car would pick up. The cars will pick you up at eleven and I'll go get the past in twenty minutes. We'll have to leave it alone. Eleven thirty and also. We're not at the top Jon. Stewart's GonNa do his thing the AB FAB girls are going to do video remote or whatever we're going at like twelve forty five. We don't need to be there at eleven fifteen like Jimmy Book. I'm leaving without you. I'm leaving without you and be like I'm not saying what it'd be late. I'm just saying I want to be on time. Pick up at eleven thirty ago we get there at eleven fifteen scrubby hanging out waiting for everyone to show up. We always do. That's always that's how Jimmy girls that's who he is so I- towards a gun him. Science burn calories so. I was like travel busy busy. You travel mornings lack asleep. The last thing I want to do locking Yada where I live to get to mid Wilshire Kevin being to be there at seven seven ten. It's like okay one more morning to get up at the crack. I had to get up at the crack. A fuck to do be defined. Hannah had to meet August here here at six zero five the other day and this is the crest of the rush hour. Wave your writing this morning. Yeah I saw all right. It's GonNa take me forty five fifty minutes etiquette there. I can leave at like six twenty five six other still in the building. Now they're midwest in my old old our students literally Kevin stands where. I sat insulting in in that bill so I know that and building feeling that I know that building. Well so what am I doing. So I'm looking at ways in ways you're gonNA arrive at seven thirteen. I'm like okay. That's good but but I know Jamie's going to get there. I and I know we're going on at seven twenty but I know Jimmy's GonNa get there. I I noticed Adams always liked. His thing was like Adams always always late and my thing was like always late. You're way early. I mean we did a theory of relativity. We did a celebrity late cat. We did like a celebrity celebrity. Go Kart race in like Houston or something when they did the super bowl or whatever a million years ago and it was like call time eight. AM or whatever whatever and we'd been out drinking like three in the Jimmy's like banging on my door like seven forty like we gotta go. We literally got to to the celebrity. Go Qarase erase there. Were setting up. They're putting pylons now the HAY bales there wasn't a celebrity anywhere near that place. It was just me and Jamie just sitting. Yeah that's the way role so I had a little anxiety go. Jimmy thinks I'm late all the time and I'm going to confirm it if I'm late but also I wanNA leave my house before six thirty. I don't leave my house more than I need to. So I'm looking at ways and I'm like Oh okay I got this okay there at seven thirteen and it's like seven a turn the radio on and I hear Jimmy's already on a couple. Of course I got there and now I'm defacto late. Because he was supposed to come on the air together and he's on the air and I'm not on the where's Karol. I thought he he was coming on with you. Wherever it's twenty twenty minutes we shall be on together but not now? Now it's seventy three so he's of course there of course on the you're so now have have little anxiety. Okay Jimmy Sheer. Where's that I don't know where that guy has been all right we'll come on? Jimmy sits down late. I'm late so so Poland. I know it's the old studio in the old building. I pull up the old building. I Miss CALC. I drive up one parking row jump out of the car start heading for a anxious the bridge and I'm like well to I'm like I'm in. I'm Robert Plan. Where's where's that Goddamn bread and I get to and I'm on the first floor? It's like that thing. You know pushing the Alabama come on. Come on come up there on the air. They're on the. They're on their get up to the second floor. Go across the bridge. But how'd you get in to the security door. Will they know him coming. You know coming and so I'm like at the security. Why is there anyone here? Oh because Kimmel's an there. They like Jimmy N.. Jimmy and they're done and so they're in and like banging on the door. There's nobody around and then I go. Oh okay this is your route. They're not expecting you to go this. You GotTa go through the lobby. God so I'm like yeah I go back to the elevator. I keep pushing button super slow elevated godown going to lobby. Shouldn't it poor chord it man. Yeah right over the top by the way the lobby guys. I cannot tell you super sharpen with rightist. I come walking in. I'm like Oh okay I you gotta get up to the second floor. I gotTa Get up to Kevin and bean. And they're like Oh we can't let you go. You can go the second floor but K.. Rocks locked and and I'm like yeah but but but can you call them. Yeah we don't we can't call phone sitting right here just that idea. There's no modality modality. There's no modality we don't have. They're they're not gonNA WE CAN NOT GONNA call. And isn't that point where you go. I'm a guest on the show. They go yeah they don't they send guys down here. You're supposed to be on ten minutes ago. I happened to me on. Talk Soup with Michaela. I wouldn't call but this thing. Yeah we don't we have a phone right. They have a phone yes they live thirty one feet above our head right but we don't have any way like this. Could this go on all day. Yeah well normally they send somebody down and and I'm like okay but that person's not here and I don't think I'm going to wait for that person because I'm not so sure that person's coming here now how they might be up at the bridge so like everywhere. I'm like they go. You can sign in wait but we can't call anybody the thinking like what did they think you're doing or want to do. Shouldn't they be in some way shape or form the air to just sort of facilitate something like what. You're Kevin Bain. Okay what are your second floor is now. It's just like hey buzz off money and I'm like okay. I'm GONNA go back. Go do what you WANNA do. We're not doing anything. We're down people who are ill fitting blazers and just stand here. Yeah we're here. We're here so so that when the madman who goes on a shooting spree. He we're here. Shall we ask to reload. When he's heading upstairs? Essentially like we do nothing we sweetest guys just standing there going. We don't know who you are what you want and I said I am guest on the show. Well we don't don't have any way of facilitating. That can't verify that I also don't know after all these years like is there no protocol like it does to producer like comedown sort of day to and go. Hey Man if you see Dolph Lundgren or anybody looks like they ever got laid in Hollywood. I'd like walk through here and say they're guests. Here's my cell phone. If you please just call it. We may miss. I can say no to that person coming up but least you'll be opportunity so I then an element of panic backup now. I am going to be late. Self fulfilling prophecy. I get up as luck would have come out on the second floor. Start walking across the bridge rich and a young man of color is heading across the bridge as well and I'm like I'm walking behind him and he's sort of looks over short because it's early and I go flip the script I said. Are you going in can I did slide in behind you to get through the first door. And he's like Oh no you and he opens the first door. He opens the second door. I slide in two K rock. I know the lay of the land. The old thing I run I guy. She is the producer of the morning. Show and I go. Hey Man I don't. I don't know if the plan is but I was just down the lobby and there was nobody down there and then he gives my favorite answer of all time. which is what we do? Is We send somebody down to bring them up. Great and I go right but you do that. Repeat and do that. And he's like I said how. How how do guests get from the lobby up to the studio and he goes we have somebody waiting there for them and we bring them up so I go? Where was that goes? I know but you didn't do that. And the egos well. That's how we do it. You know and I'm like what you didn't do that by the way you can with sorry. Jimmy made a mistake not going to happen again or whatever but you have to explain the process. I understand what you wanted normally. Yeah he's didn't succeed. People explained to me often when something something goes to shit they explain to me what they planned onto it. Normally works is how it's going to go. I was going to drive home without hitting an oak tree. So what you're planning to go smoothly smoothly right so explain me the protocol. But I was like there was nobody there eventually about the third lap. He's a nice guy about the third laughs. He's like yeah we forgot data or whatever you may be saying it okay. Great so There so he slid in there and and it was awesome going through these crazy old stories. They've clips they played a couple. But it was mainly Jimmy and Kevin in an you know being as a really strange guy who's a really interesting guy and beans beans being. I know career. It's weird that I have a relationship with being that maybe we're looking at old pictures. Lightning and Henry Winkler. And how are you wearing hiring. I'm looking I'm dressed like Mr Burcham. Okay that makes sense because you kind of like a pedophile. It's Jimmy posted on instagram. Today I I got US crazy cousin salaries in their twelve year. Old Boy. Cousin Sal is sitting in this picture. Jimmy's in there Kevin and bean me and now that I look at it a waitress while I'm sure south forced to sit down next to us and take a picture probably at Bob's big boy. After after the show you can go to add across common picture. So jerky boys t-shirt so so cussing Sally. I mean he must picked him up from the airport and he got here so being and I have always been friends and a Bean isn't really friends with anybody. But I didn't realize we were friendlier than most like he doesn't talk to people off the air that kind of thing but when I was doing a show in Seattle a number of years ago he got hold of me. And it's like you're coming my neck of the woods. Let's go to thirteen coins with the high backs and the boots and we'll have breakfast and we had breakfast and then I went to his house and Hung out for the afternoon and and then when did three shows. But you're the one you're right so I got along well and I've always respected being because being was a broadcaster faster and I always kind of liked it. He I like in in beans heart and in Kimmel's heart he's a in Kimmel's mind kimmel's a radio. Radio is a radio broadcaster in being that way as well they love the format you know. They respect the format and there are also going into the Radio Hall of fame although it's funny because there's like who else is going into Radio Holiday John Tash Classic radio could be worse. It could be the rock and Roll Hall of fame before. Yeah Yeah so these guys have been together for thirty years Today's beans last day. I don't know I knew there were breaking up but I was assuming coming after this year. This seems like a random. Seems like you get to the end of the year or the Christmas or you know now. We're we're done an answer as to why now now I haven't. I've been so busy I haven't asked. I'm I'm assuming I don't know beans. Quirky beans strange in weird in a good way being could have easily done this by there could be a contract that on this day. I don't know sounds like it. Also also and this is this is not the echelon of Kevin and bean. I just know from the lowly folk in the radio industry Layoff time is around right right before Thanksgiving right before Christmas. And I'm not saying that that's but I'm just saying when they're working out their quarterlies. This is kind of time where we're change happens so I it started off as you know. I know you're busy. Do you WANNA come in. I of course said the reason I'm busy because because of you guys come in Jimmy. was there early and of course got me in and you know then it became this sort of bizarre the kind of weird moments where like so many characters so many people somebody voices and then it kind of became the single. It's like the poor man on the line now. Wow you're really going back to the poor man. Well poor or man got fired from K rock twenty five years ago or more twenty. Six twenty seven has not been on K rock for like twenty six years he was a fixture on love line I used to listen it. Drew and poor man and and and everyone else. The poor man brought over so story would have it. I never really got the full story The morning show sent over. I believe Michael the maintenance man who jimmy box and somebody else because they knew the poor man went to bed late needed love line probably went to bed at two three in the morning. Got Up at noon. You know the had the key to his place and they went over there to sort of wake him up. You know rousing morning show zoo stuff. Poor man retaliated by getting on the air that night. Getting a huge mob of five hundred people together to meet him and caravan to beans house. Who of course versus asleep because being would go to bed at eight and all show up on his lawn beers and Tiki torches and party and original dock? They were now they all knew we're being live and pull this power breakers and centrally traumatize family God and no. We're here on island in Seattle right so then poor man got fired and then there was lawsuits and Blah Blah blonde threats. Let's and Dr Drew and everything else and all anyone did was I and so. So we're all sitting in the studio. We're having this surreal. Moment like during the commercial happened. A couple of a couple of different players. Commercials that Kevin's Kevin's like poor man's on Line Five. who gets quiet what you WANNA do? We got Dr Poor Man. He hates me too to because I did love line and then comes like Chauhan's who who thinks for man's should be on this show and it's like it's weird because being got him fired. There's a lot of weird bad blood and there's been he didn't quietly go off into the night it was. I mean it's been a lot of people born note the two that did I told you this once. This is like five six years ago and one of our. We did a few shows in New York New York and on the daytime I was walking around with an old friend and a guy on the street shoved a microphone on my face like Ebola. LIKE ALRIGHT WHY YORK. I'm like wow this out across also on the poor man was randomly at a guy here that to me at a book signing but this was random though it was it was so bizarre brand. Didn't he do late night. Like sorta girls Gone Wild. So he's done everything but look to what was next instead. He was just looking in the Review Mirror an angry the whole time. And my thing was like Ricky Rachman replaced you and then three years later I replaced Rickie. Rachman I don't. I'm not sure how I got caught up in the skirmish he called. Dr Drew Dr Screw. Yeah Rick You Punch Staedtler and I think steck leaving mm forgave him. Yeah so it was quite an interesting Cathartic morning because the call yes. We did what happened. He was conciliatory. It it was. It's so awkward. Served it was it was interesting. It was an interesting call and and then big tad called from a like a bed. He's confined to a bad. You know a character that Jimmy discovered many years ago. I mean like in real life is confined to a bed in real life back issues but I know he has. He has health issues. Michael far exceeded that so the point is there was some Ralph called in. I think there's a lot of people that sort of left under weird you know and everyone just kind of buried the hatchet and in called in. I don't know how what terms everyone left on. But there was there was definitely an element of showing one up at the party and seeing your ex-fiancee with their new man or whatever kind of should we say something. It turned out to be Pretty Cathartic and pretty pretty pretty good but it was weird. So what happened to me is I had calls lined up at starting at eight o'clock and every time we did a break Jimmy stay day for another break and I was like okay and I was just looking at the clock you know and like at a certain point went Jimmy Wendy. You have to get out of here. And he's like I got to get out at nine thirty and I'm like off. I guess I mean I guess so. Then I literally gave the producer my phone calls and I said call these people and tell them. I've backed up and I'll I'll call it was it was it was surreal experience. And also you forget get about the characters in the in the stories and how how young. Everyone was God if it wasn't Graham. I'm an tell you I'll tell you more about it. I have to yes. Did you talk about the documentary. No there was no this is going to be a nice little button to the cameras. It is it locked because this is the end of a very definitive era of K rock. Yeah they mind modern news no they they were. They were thankfully filming The whole time and I was not there to I. I don't know I should've at so many different thoughts. What's going on every time? Jimmy told the story just reminded me of all in the what about the time. We're in the van and you know the Christmas Christmas signing signing or whatever like E everything just reminded me of something and and I never got to that part. Hold on his I'll tell you more about it. I we get a check in with Dave Mason Dave Mason. I'm here you're here. You're not queer so don't get used to it. Let's see Dave You got a couple of picks for us for this upcoming football weekend what the L.. There's always some picks out there whether they win or lose that that's a different question but I always have picks give us a couple for this weekend. Yeah all right well. We've got a a good weekend football coming up both college and NFL. But I'll concentrate a little bit of NFL rate now. We had that big Monday night. Matchup seahawks at the undefeated forty eighty nine nurse For Nine Hundred Elaine. Six and a half right now which I think is too much We take sharp action on six and a half Seattle. Oh so it's down to six the public also now yes public. The public is also on Seattle which is you know when they're you. Public is usually four times out of five usually the public favor but not on Monday night. So for seventy one percent of the early accent is on Seattle. I am on them to. I think it's six and a half it's down to six like I said You know I mean me Seattle. They're seven and two right there right behind the niners store niners or eight. No but Twenty points to the cardinals last week so I think this is the spot for nine hundred ten to one to go undefeated. The season not happening I think they will. I think there's a good chance lose outright Monday night. So that's what I pick you. See Attal plus thank God. We spoke to an expert yesterday. That had exact offer. I had it like you. I don't know Seattle's good. I don't know where six three three and a half I can buy but six and felt like a lot. I mean Russell Wilson's under under center easy. NFL MVP so far. They're I mean they're four no on the road. All those teams are garbage but still they're four and on the row or no on the road so that means something. Speaking under center isn't the equipment. I'm wrong Dave. I don't Oh for sure. But is in the Seattle Center out for this game You know he could be I'm not exactly sure that that's a good point. After the quarterback that's the most important important possession in the offense people that some people say that I I don't know why they picked the blindside tackle over the center and some people the State of the ball every play havoc Monday touch for a split second defenses. I mean the important Brian. We can agree the third hour of the players on the field amongst interior. Linemen only all right. Give us one more Dave. Okay well we got that Bills browns matchup right Everybody's down on the browns. They're big disappointment this year. Everybody's pro build Including the betters. Eighty percent of the early action is on the bills. I mean you deeper deeper into the bills schedule. I mean who the heck did they beat to beat the jets and the giants the angles the titans at dolphin the skins you add up their records and they're nine and forty eighty two so although I've been having a lot of fun at the browns expense this year especially fake Baker Mayfield for all the crap talking. He did over the off season. He's in he's not backing it up. I'm going to be on the browns here minus two and a half Website online dot. Ag Use the Promo Code Pod. Sorry podcast one when batting Dave Mason. Now thank you very much for giving us tips. Thanks for heavy weekend weekend you to give them a little short trip there but anxious to finish my story here please Bet online dot ag for that it actually the browns. It's kind of interesting although when you think about like people you know the bills are good. Eight and forty five and there was a winning record of the teams playing that that makes it different a software scheduled for so now. I'm sitting there and I'm also I know Jimmy's GonNa cry at some point. I just gotTa cry cried. Yes I know Jimmy. I know he's GonNa cry. And now it's this weird thing where I'm sitting in there and I've kicked back doc. My My print call in phone irs like the print stuff print stuff but I I have Ben Shapiro. Rose show at nine thirty and so I keep saying that when you have to be honest I gotta get we gotTa Get out by nine twenty. I'm like okay but of course it's still going going and then the thing that makes it comical. There's a huge clock time on it kicking with the second I mean it's a digital display. It's four feet long a huge bar and so we get to the end and Jimmy says is wonderful piece. Listen I say my peace and tears are starting to starting to flow. and Jimmy's doing this thing which I think's interesting. which is he saying that? Attorneys Turn Kevin and bean have a bazaar relationship because if you are a partner of being for thirty years. You're going to have a bizarre relationship. Yeah part and parcel and it's been strained at times as you guys probably know mm famously. All morning shows always end up being sort of strained but they they stayed together for the kids you know and being gene and Jimmy Sang before I leave. I want you guys to have a real moment like a real moment where you really just talk about how you feel and not a quick Joe. Gurr sidestep like 'cause being will always do that he'll always kinda make quick quick or pun or something and get out of the reality of the moment so in. Meanwhile it's like you know Dr Drew's on the line and Ralph's on the line and all these people are popping up from like how do you get through all of them and do the show. And so oh Jimmy Suck you guys have real moment and Jimmy starts to tear up. And it's getting really Cathartic and serious and I'm sitting sitting there and but I'm looking at the clock Dole. Now it's like it's nine twenty eight and like there up until the Canada's moment I'm like I got a call and then find the segment ends at like nine twenty nine. Okay Grandma iphone Start Dialing Shapiro's. I'm walking to the parking lot. And then they do the we gotta get a picture of Corey picture one for social. Can I say this one I. I travel the highways and the BYWAYS I go everywhere I take pictures. The person this person I'll tell you the person that's worse than Hitler. Worse Than Hitler the ever gets gathered up. Everyone gets arms around each other Amazon thing. And then there's the one Guy Monte come on get it no no come on allergic come on get the fuck out licit been around shut up or you get in. Somebody's got to do something worse at a four way stop sign. You've been waived seven times. You're now out of your car going to in your your Are Kidding come on get it if they say no. Then it's it's now or you get the fuck in and so we're just sitting there and it's funny I'm literally looking at the clock tick tick tick nine. Twenty nine nine forty one seconds of and they're just taking these pigs like Ching Ching Macau. How many pictures are we taking? And then I go okay here we we go and then some girl goes. Oh we gotta get the bean head we get to picture being at the head. We got to go now. It's all I can I. It's just like I didn't want to be weird but I was like I not waiting for the being head. I can't find the bean head I I must leave wearing all around. How cassie the question How many cameras were being used for? Take pictures it was it was. It was one professional camera. But you know when you hear it clicked for like the eleventh time. We've this it's not. You don't know what this is like when people video does sound like hold on let me get Salvi. Oh hold on let me. It's like he's got thirteen hundred twelve seconds with a smile on my face. Okay this is enough. This isn't exactly that but I want everyone you especially but everyone down sound of my voice to adopt my photo policy. which is one camera one camera only in the age where we can airdrop? I can send you a picture from here and not touch your your phone. No reason to multiple cameras multiple phones a into the picture and multiple phones looking in multiple directions. Here's let me get one of them is like this to you. Instantly in ten seconds saw. That's all I do and so make it worse because we have a volunteer professional show up at the GIG. So he's got the real camera. He's taken the picture picture. And then there's the Selfie poems and then Gertrude wants hers as well along. I've ruined many birthday party. I say no I policy walking out of the room room in your birthday so that ran out and we stayed there for over two hours and so did Jimmy but it was. It was worth it. Did you get even remotely teary-eyed I gotta live. I started going at road when Jimmy. I could tell when Jimmy stopped talking and I was like. Why did you hear the cry? So or do we stop talking to cry so oh he stopped. He stopped right in the like. You know when people go see that movie they go. I just WanNa tell given how much he then you're like what happened. Tell them you want to tell them. And then you realize oh this is what's happening. Yeah he's a real in a real human being and you know Jimmy's grace guy in the world. That's why these Jimmy brings everyone in. Gets everyone together. Also kind of a Revelation I told lightning producer for a million years. I said look if you did something with this. Kevin means show you either end up like Boettger man or Big Tad doc on the rock confined to a pet or end up like me or Kim. Oh I should I should lightening you. Landed in the middle of the ochre person who's ever made it out of spice of wild swings of an intense failure or unbelievable riches success but you my friend threaded that needle guard right down the middle of mediocrity and one that are more difficult task looking at the Dot Roc called in doc on the rock call. I couldn't defend alive or we're looking at an old picture of Richard Cheese and GM E. and Kevin and lightning in the middle. Our Frank Murphy Eh. Lower laugh that former producer. What's what's lightening up to these days? He formed producer of a cabinet meeting. He's all he's all into trucks big trucks trucks and he works for gale banks. WHO's a genius license guy in the world who makes engineering genius? Who who makes like like when Humvees in Afghanistan and there are an altitude and they're not making enough horsepower because they've added all the army wait and they're not moving anymore because the heirs to fan they go to gale banks and they go? You gotta make us a diesel engine that gets out more torque or whatever and that's what gale banks does all right so you have Kimmel's CERTA instagram of post for to get to that if you look at Jimmy we've found his d'appel gainer. You're a young vol Brian. Wow I should be so lucky you guys that have been B. F. F. The dot com guys are very in the mouth. I definitely sat together at lunch is just us to. It's also insane. How how young a young? This isn't Jimmy Jimmy Highschool Jimmy's working in La. Just twenty six and a half all right sorry in January of nineteen ninety four a week after the earthquake I drove a nearly destroyed Mazda. RX7 to an office building in Burbank and four thirty am ready to begin a job. That would change my life. I've been fired from my position as morning. Being Su kick side kick in a top forty station in Tucson Arizona and somehow managed to parlay that into an unspecified role working for Kevin and bean at the world. Famous K rock. I'd met them once months earlier. The program director Kevin weatherly was a college friend. He thought I was funny. Felt I could help. Strengthen his morning show he wanted meet the guys. So I went to Marshall's bought a new shirt and flew to Burbank. My interview began like this being. So you're an adult male. who goes by Jimmy me? Am I being asked this question by an adult man named being the interview went okay but I returned home and it was forgotten by both Kevin and being the moment I boarded my America West flight back to Tucson knowing I was about to be fired I spent the next few weeks. Badgering the K rock general manager read by rebe by phone until he gave up and hired me to be a part of his morning show for reasons. Still unknown trip neglected to share this information with the host of the morning. When I showed up for work Monday morning warning his static to be there and eager to make a strong impression the first words I heard were they hired? You suddenly felt very sick realizing that I moved my family early and everything we owned to a strange city to work for a couple of guys who didn't even know I was coming after that first show. We convened in our tiny office and I played the my demo tape. They nodded but didn't laugh. I knew I had my work cut out for me. I would have to win them over to keep what was at the time my dream job and my only only hope of paying rent both Kevin and bean more shorts every day even in January. I started wearing shorts every day. I pitch them dozens if not hundreds of ridiculous ideas they like some of them they even seem to like me. I knew that if I wanted to get on the air I needed a role on the show. I asked if I could do sports. It's Kevin told me that people in La don't like people with New York accents. I asked him if he liked. Danny Devito he said he did. Thank God for Danny Devito. I knew I had one shot to impress them. Try to character named Jimmy The sports guy and it worked we laughed. Every day we busted each other's balls relentlessly bean was weird. He decided he was from Norway. He is not he would disappear. Mysteriously we never saw him after lunch. He was obsessed with Pluto. And the wreck of the Edmund Woman Fitzgerald the song not the disaster. He had thousands of CDs and listen to Christmas music every day. He had a hedgehog. His cousin was Pachulia Clark. Mark He wants gave me a dog named scam being always supported me when a rival radio station offered me a morning show of my own being went into our program director's office and offered ten thousand dollars of his annual salary. To keep me at K rock. I didn't take his money but decided to stay. We've we've been through too much together of all the friends with whom I've never ever socialized. I might feel closest to being in our five years working together. I cannot recall an unpleasant moment between us when I left. K Rock to pursue a career in television bean and Kevin actively and enthusiastically cheered me on helping in any anyway they could and seemed to take real pleasure in watching me blossom and do the big hairy flower. I've become next month. Would Mark Thirty Years of the Kevin and bean show so so many strangers tell me what a great part of their childhood. The show was some listened on their way to school with their parents and continued to listen driving with their own kids to school. It has sat for me and for many of us to see them part ways. But I suppose we're lucky to have them for so long. I owe them both a lot fair. well-being you strange and beautiful man Dan. You're one of the smartest quickest funniest people I've ever worked with and one of the finest broadcasters in America. I hope London is everything you hope it will be. And if it isn't comeback sincerely your friend and adult man who still goes by Jimmy. And that's why it's better than all of us was awesome. Talk to Max Paddock. We read instagram on the way. And how long is it. It's a minute longer than I thought. A beautifully written I'm Jay Shimmy. Grayton is a great writer By being I gotta be. I'm Ben Shapiro. Show a I'm I stay I stay up with being again. What I said about being is is? I don't know if it even makes sense being a guy who's always out there and he he follows you when he listens to stuff and you listen to him and he listened to you and and he's just sort have Omni present like Jesus or something or God. He's there and you don't have to you know like when they talk about people where you go. I mean this guy used to be friends and we kind of drifted apart. You don't ever drift apart from being. He's just there because you you never did. Have a thing where you met every Sunday dally to talk about the week or whatever you don't have those rituals with being. He's sort of always always around so yes always always there. You always know he. He's fond of you. You're fond of him and that's just kind of the relationship and then once in a Blue Blue Moon when you're going to Seattle he says oh come over and hang out or let's have breakfast or something like that and it's a great conversation and then you don't see him for another eleven years but you feel like he's just always there and it's kind of that sort of way that like it's religious people feel when Nanna passes on like. Oh the memory the vibes. I thought that the exchanges the experiences always there. I will tell you quickly for we bring in Bill Fichtner. Kim Coates hosts recount a couple stories. That I just like the VAT is radio people. I thought radio was show business when I was a carpenter fringes so I thought it was a big deal now. It's funny that you bring up his RX7. Because like when I met him in the parking structure At bodies in motion in Pasadena he pulled up in that beat RX7 cycle this is show. Business I have Zuzu Trooper Rupert and I wouldn't trade you for your seven. That's my first thing by welcomed. Radio was I remember when we were doing the morning. Show and Jack Silver and I don't know who were up in arms because I wanted a jar of peanut butter body weekly for the show. Five thirty in the morning came the blood. Sugar gets a little low. You want to get a little spoon. Peanut butter in between commercial breaks or whatever and and of course Ehrlich not. Who's paying for that? You're not paying that. We pay for peanut butter. And they're on the phone with James Dixon. Going haven. You better tell show your boy to check himself and Dixon's Dixon's used to like Jon Stewart with writer. You know what I mean like. Here's the private jets gigs. And the Jacksonville say. Hey Man we're not going to spend four every week on peanut butter upticks call me like what the fuck is going on over. They're arguing with a dull mail about you. Have a multi million dollar contract. They're arguing about peanut butter. I've never even heard of this everywhere you go in TV. There's a full full-spread. Crafty laid out whatever big argument about peanut butter. And that's radio and then there's also the a story we went over today which is as I remembered it which is When Jimmy was making fun of Burgerman I'll flip the order the other the other one? I'll get to booger man and Jimmy My second earliest. My earliest impressions radio is and and I know it. I was walking up. We used to walk up there. It'd be dark outside going into the building. Thirty five hundred dollars you know ninth floor It's a weird little weird sidestreet some little apartments in the back. It's not dicey but it's not super save look Anita it's got duct the freeway on one side apartments on the other can walk in. I see being is driving a red. VW cabriolet convertible. And it's just park like a AH on the side of the street amongst other cars like five block back you know and I'm like yeah get here five. It's dark outside your the crown jewel. All in the the jewel in the crown of Radio says you're the morning show and so and I also remember cleaning his car. He had a big scarf. And I clean the SCUFF office trying trying to get some goodwill but one day got up top of the building I should Kevin. Where do you park? He said I park in the bill. Parking under a park by the elevation at the bottom. Go through the security. Pretty Game Blah Blah Blah Blah beam. Why are you parking way down the street? It's dark it's cold people know where you are. He goes I don't want to pay the twenty eight bucks in Amman. You don't wait the station. The station gives you parking. Really I security reasons. Why you're coming in? It's dark out. No no no you gotta pay up Dan. I was like Oh man man. This is radio everybody. Yup and the last one was when Jimmy was making fun of Bogeyman. Getting his penis enlargement had fat and Jackson's or something he was on the air making fun of booger. Man had a key keycard and Burgerman. After Jimmy got off there was like sitting in the morning show office. Whatever I was sitting there to Frank Murphy Taylor Nelson Bergman and just comes down the hall? He swipes his keycard. He's walking with purpose. Comes right up the Jimmy and starts choking. Oh my what's pushing pushes against the wall. He was a former homeless guy. Who Jimmy got onto the radio stations? Like a funny story. He's kind of a strong homeless guy and he's choking King Jimmy against the wall and we break it up and everything and get out of here boogeyman or whatever and he leaves winter. No Discipline Ah if you WANNA know how booker man got fired. It's because when he was doing his late night shift and color one. Oh seven got a huffy mountain bike. He gave it to a friend of his. So that's in radio battery no problem. Oh yeah with that but if you give away an eighty nine mountain by you are out my friend because y conduct rules dignity. 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Yeah it was nice sitting next to Jimmy in cracking wise and being funny and being into that sort of flow that we all all sort of felt so familiar for so many so many years And not what's the future of the K rock morning situation. They're going on without being being as moving to England and Mike was right when he moved to New Orleans. Mike's like new New Orleans is fun for three days. But you can't live in New Orleans and I guess being made it three years New Orleans. It's probably one of those things where it's been six. I'm I'm insane. But he didn't make that long. He made a long time and on an island in Seattle. That's that's pretty probably bringing in a new third chair. I would imagine. Because it's this Kevin and Allie at this point right Kevin in the mornings I assume or someone is in CARB's also on there too. I really didn't get into any of the nuts in the bolts of it and I just figured I'll figure it out later for now. Let's just yet commemorate being between the radio gossip and rumors. We will have one hundred theories by the end of the day. None of them will be right. Bill fichtner William fichtner coercion. Great actors coming in here right after this trump it'll one presents a thirty second audio tour of Ireland. Sheep ferries go German Castle Chairman Castle. Terming castle charming in Kassel Germany. You know you can actually go there. When you use the capital one venture card you earn unlimited double miles on every dollar you spend on every purchase riches which means you'll have plenty of miles to actually travel to Ireland the capital one venture card? What's in your Wallet Capital One bank? USAA hey this is definitely wilder Taylor and Lynette Corolla and were for crying out loud. Listen to our show because there's lots of swearing lots of stories. Lots of personal information that you don't really need to know but we tell you anyway. Yeah so check us out on I tunes and it has one for crying out loud with an actor role in Stephanie. Wilder Taylor every Tuesday and Friday at the digital podcast. One an apple podcasts. In the spirit of Murrow Jennings cronkite right. Here's another moment in local news. Well a new study says many asthma inhalers or releasing in greenhouse gases every time people use them scientists in England say patients can reduce their carbon footprint by switching to dry powder or blissed inhalers. That's a great moment in global news. Now back to the Adam Corolla show bill perfect mirror. Kim Coates in studio these guys have been in every movie ever made ever made and they have a new one cold brook out out. It's in select theaters and on demand. And it's out digitally today directed by a bill thickener and I just saw the trailer a second ago. I've been traveling and running and I haven't seen the movie that trailer look really good. Whose idea was says the for to make the film directed who who wrote it? It's a it's a very unique idea. I don't know what if it's based on a book or story no no long story short in two thousand one. Kim and I meant to Black Hawk down five months in Morocco. Now we're talking along pretty amazing. Yeah last time I'll ever go and it out of that. You know one of my all time. Best friends in my early forties and found out when we came back ten minutes from my house so we we became best buddies. And and you know a few years after that. I thought you know Kimmy such a great actor. I had an idea for story. Went to another buddy of ours came before I I said. Listen right this with me but I wanNA write it for me Kim to do together and that was probably thirteen years ago. So you know the process just took forever until we had a scripted. We felt was really tight but really began. You know the story began because of of a desire to make a movie for the two of us out of that really Kinda grew what the movie was about. But it's not based on a a store or anything that existed it always and it has really strong historical significance. And even with that that we just you know painstakingly paid attention to detail and anything that we said is characters are what the story was about. We really wanted to hold water. Are you know Sorta kinda pardon the Pun because it has to do well. I don't know how much you WANNA well. It's in the trailer trail. Yeah you guys EISER working maintenance at a museum and you come across the ghost of a African American man who died in maritime disaster. Sir Yes at a slave ship. Yeah it was no. It was actually ship that he was on because he was freed and were to maintenance guys that work at a small college login. Upstate New York Portland New York and and you know we work at this college in our offices below the fine arts museum and one day we we run into a stranger stranger and then we run a new again and again and eventually we start to figure out who he is and what he's doing there. It's when I when I see movie or at at least the trailers are stories like this. I think I don't. I'm not I don't have a good enough immagination tour to write that. I mean I you have to be of history or maritime disaster. I don't I don't know even you could do it at them. You want to watch the whole film. I got to tell you that. And I've known you for a while and been such a huge fan when we met on twitter races but a billion I when you get to a stage that he's at now and and me on on his the right hand wing there and you can write a movie for the two of us. You know what that means. We can write our movie. We don't have to listen to anybody. We now have people title. Finally we both produced pitcher. We found some financiers up in Canada and Buffalo. We raised all the money we needed to raise. Because they believed in billy and myself and so when you have that in Canaan he the story that they wrote took awhile few bottles of red wine. I think those eight years but it's a it's a story that he wanted to write and the stuff that we get to do together You you can be a fan of a lot of things but we've heard stuff like you know butch cassidy and the Sundance Kid. We've heard so like we on a much smaller budget. Yeah exactly I'm talking about the friendship between a AH Redmond and and and and the you and I but I just made I know that your big Paul Newman guy too. But we're getting all these comments about. The friendship is so unbelievable in this picture and so to deal with with billy and being the friends that we are there was no acting required. It was quite an easy segway into this whole movie It is in theater select theaters but it's also on demand. Where should people go the website? Where should I send people you know you can? You can go on-demand I tunes Apple TV comcast everywhere tomorrow. Yeah Coal Amazon too. I think this this is what you shoot it on. I'm always curious what equipment everyone wants a union. Now everything's digital now. Use The red camera to overheat. Soon we read we used an RA. And I have to tell you something anything I say technically I look it up. He's basically hyper. Because I know more about technical nickel things that I don't WanNa know about anymore ever again I think it was an flex and that's what we shot it on at Lucas Taco. uh-huh yeah you know. I have to tell the DP stores so yeah a very famous DP. I thought he was famous. I'd seen a few of his films and he was. It's amazing by chance. Read the script about four months before we shot it and I got an email out of the blue. I didn't even know this guy he goes. I just happened to read your script. Got It from my agent and I want should this movie and I'm like wow three and a half weeks before we shoot I. I got a text one night. When I'm sitting in the bar of figuring things out pre-production he's like Oh man I got another job and so Good luck I'm like Kemah believe I call them up. I walked into lobbyists. We'll hello. Are you telling me that you're taking another job with three and a half weeks to go before we start shooting. Oh Man Yeah now. I'm like 'cause you mad at me and I'm like what old. Yeah thanks so called called of my manager and said that anybody what am I gonNa do and they somebody new somebody and call back and giving his name Ed Lucas. I didn't even have time to look at Israel. Real called him up. He was in Austria. He goes I finished this job in a couple of days. I see my mother. I read the script I like it. I'll be in buffalo in a week and I'm like thank you. I hope he knows what he's doing. And one of the things that people say about the film is like boy. What a beautiful look anyway? The at Brian Question for you million fichtner direct Oriel debut sure regulations. Thank you You worked with top my head. Just some legendary directors Christopher a so that who who do a Ridley Scott of course who did you learn maybe name but orbiting. Judy knew. Who Did you learn the most from over the course of someone acting gigs? You know who who to be there you know to your directing style you know Y- you know honestly it's not like over the years working in different films actors and that I really have a mind's eye of thinking cheese someday if I direct I really wanted it was never that you know you just appreciate it. Certain directors like Ridley. Scott I mean codes I mean he was just one of our all time favorite when he was just such an easy cool focused guy and just shoot two. Oh really he let every actor bring their thing and then he would carry out a little bit If you wanted to hear it he was so kind giving funny but smart Super Smart. He knew every shot in his head had he had a book. You guys about five six inches thick and it was an every shot of the movie corner on what helicopter. What so prepared this guy here to my left was so prepared? It was shocking to me so prepared because I had to deal with you ready to go anyway away to finish your question I i. You know just a combination of subconscious things of people you worked with a new like their style like you know like this. Yes you like that. Easy focused thing you know. And that's what I wanted onset. You WanNa talk to actors. said an avid feel like it's a great experience and and inspire them. And you know. Listen every actor you better find the language for that actor because some Robin Wagner who plays my wife on every time she asked me a a question. It was a four minute detailed question. You'd better have a detailed answer. Because that was her language and other people they were more emotionally driven driven. So you know. I've found that out real quick on day one. What's what's coming up because you guys are always in something? What's coming up that we can look forward to toward the end of the year the beginning of the year any any things? You can talk about projects I'm involved with. I'm doing a a series on Netflix. flicked spray now called bad blood It's winning all these awards up in Canada shooting much beyond Toronto and Sudbury I got anthea polly and Paul Sabino ought to be in the first season with me. I co produce it. We can see it on Netflix right. Now it's it's doing so well and we're hopefully touching wood negotiating for third season so there's Susan's on on there right now. So bad blood. That's kind of cool and I got a film opening in February fantasy island. Really how Sony Tony Fantasy freaking island tattoo. I do not but I got. I think you'd do. Oh you guys watch fantasy island. Never once really never caught an episode fantasy island play but now now every episode was somebody would explain what they want it was. It was a twilight zone on an island with some hot chicks. Twilight zone with robbers robbed off off by love boat. Yeah kind of like go. I WANNA be adored by all women all the time. It's like your wishes granted and then of course it goes south. Now how does he finds one woman he loves but the other women like. It's always be careful with this. Is a heavy horror thriller R. Rated Movie So Veterans as nothing. Does that have anything to do with fantasy island. Adam I can't tell you any more than that Jeff director would have me know what is what is further further part the game battleship and Pete Berg battleship. Ed or fantasy island from the seventies. In your move very greater cast. I think it sounds like this is the fantasy well. I'm all in because I used to watch the shit out of that show man and I'd watch it a lot I'd watch. It was an handsome bill. Seem it seemed so I like Oh it was funny he was so metoo he'd like corral the Ladies Ladies Ladies Turn Duck uh-huh rundown. She's never seen like that. I can't tell you. Oh No. The ladies go delays smiles smiles. I tell them all your. You'll be rape ritualistically thickly later on off the boat. That's fine Ricardo. Telling The lady smiles as people were getting getting off the ship also growing up piece of shit a frame and North Hollywood like nothing could his island just got off the love. Love Boat My head spinning. How does this work with these cruises these fantasies so they they made fantasy island the movie? Okay but it's nothing to do with the it's it's really well. Written Jeff Wadhwa directed. It is here we go Michael Michael Rooker so good cast a a lot of fun. Shot in Fiji. Wow original one. I don't know a house of the original one. The main like quarters when they got off the dock that it said the Arboretum. That's right off the two ten. Oh Baldwin at the L. A. Arboretum Right. There were that houses. There's a whole big pond in front one of it. Oh Yeah people know shot an episode of like son of the beach there and that's like locking Yada whatever and they trade it out for Hawaii over. That's ham telling people smiles all right let's and Good and so bill. You're going to be doing a dark. Turn on the Partridge family. Actually I am at the end of it. Only one standard. Thanks and the bus blows no just working on the show. Mom and I got a little indie film that I don't know when it's coming out and I've been working on a not writing it but working on the story with a friend soon as we wrapped colebrook them with a friend who is a pretty great writer to who work on a new script that you know we have a full draft of it now and now we're tweaking it and hopefully you know the process begins again and direct again for sure. So you're you're not like one and done never doing this again. I would rather do that than great right now. Going to be in that movie but absolutely and thank God. I'm not even going to do like a Cami. No no but you're right. You're starring enough coming film directed by Danny Devito Bill read and you know this film called Saint Sebastian Danny. My son was a freshman in college. Now he's been out of college five years. I will never forget because I was driving on the New York. State thruway to phone rang looked at recognize the number of picked it up. It was Daddy. Ad Deep Bill. The one I'd worked with him a few times. And Danny. How are you wrote this film? It's like crazy we have no money. I'm like Danny I'm in. I'm in I'm in so it's like a horror film and I don't know whatever happened with it but we shot it like nine years ago and I think it was made to go like on Youtube and I don't know if it ever did. I really don't know whatever happened to the. Where'd you Sebastian? That Info I Chris Hugh crack staff found it to grow loud. Is he getting released low. Not I do love that. We're in an industry industry. Like I was like when I whenever once year. They'd ask me to do a show on Sirius. XM and they go. We want to gauge your interests. And I go. How much money do you have to have money? We just want to gauge your interest. Well my interest is move around. Lies Tally up. How much money you have and I do love that? We're in a business where you go. I got a project. We don't have any money but that doesn't work for roofers barnes or anything does it just explain like I want a new asphalt driving. We don't have money. I want to gauge your interest. It's like it's like okay. What other business where you start you start talking business? But there's I WANNA be up front no money now. Let's say that's more popular now than ever the no money no money. Yeah nobody has any money. I you can't tell from the highway when you pass Warner Brothers. But but nobody's got any money. Well I guess it's a SORTA in a in a weird way. It's kind of a new sort of wild west where everyone's this out doing their own thing and not waiting for the phone to ring and you're wearing all these different hats. Where for one minute? You're taking a rolls actor and the next minute your hustle and money up for a project or directing like. It's just I think it's a microcosm of the country's landscape which is no more one job anymore. Everyone's going to have fifteen jobs over the course of their lifetime and I'm not talking about summer jobs. I mean adult jobs ever used to just be ask a guy like what is your dad. Dude he works ribe. Em we worked for GM you know. That's his job. No one asked and then one or what before. GM that's it. He works for the worked for the city of La or the DNA or whatever it is that that was your job Brian where you're making a noise like you had a question. Perhaps let's talk about heat for a second. Oh Yeah I L. Let's talk about. He was early in your career. Dear Mr Fix third third film. You think you should. I just saw the Irishman two nights ago so I was thinking about Deniro. You had one scene gene with an air you on the phone with them a lot on the phone and the scene where I don't want to give too much away but there's a cult there's a climax climactic the Deniro did you interact them a lot on the on the A. Aw Man had a rehearsal for that which was pretty rare for most movies even by today's standards to have a rehearsal period so I had met him briefly but then two or three months later we had that phone call because I remember my son Sam was maybe three at the time and they called me. They said we're going to do it at about three o'clock in the morning your time in New York. So we're GONNA call you so pick up the phone and you're going to do the seen it Deniro's GonNa call you on this phone and then we're going to do the scene and then we'll do your voice over and we've already shot my part of it the first day of Dogerthy and so that's how that whole thing went. I'll tell you I think bill thank you very Omari. He uses his kids and having kids. Extreme got my first year I and I take my parents are. Let's see how old are when we got divorced. Let's see like my dad will say that you're well. You were about eight divorced forcing you get older. You lose track of time but the kids are pretty pretty there cater all they were going to literally the Sunday heartache in calendar Yes all right you get recognized for most on the street someone says oh I loved you in Lovelock's prison break and now a mom to walk through an airport now and somebody'll share and Armageddon. They just got that baby out. Ah Give it some wraps some spins. HBO Showtime they've they've been showing that one late around you get enough cable station. Plan somewhere all at any given moment of the day. Yeah it's like a Beatles Song yes somewhere on somewhere so all the time yes never never stop watching a movie. Love that movie all right. Let me hit Castrol Edge. You can tweet us down and Corollas show with your Hashtag. Castro challenge with your question for Castrol. Searle challenge brought to you by cash allege formulated with fluid titanium technology three times three times stronger. Fool the leading full synthetic eh question. Max Patta I do this is from at. ACM Forty five on twitter. Wants to Hashtag casual challenge when you're racing. Do you read line when driving driving a stick or if not where do you switch gears. Well these guys are uniquely qualified to jump in on this as are you. Because we're all you you and me if you do not get that car to red line. You're not being competitive. Is that a safe statement statement. If you're just short shifting like if you're racing and the car goes to seventy five hundred you're going to shift at five grand you're not being competitive right you

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"I have interview coming up with you for researcher. Richard Dolan here are some clips. We met with the guy at the DOD. But he's a whistle blower all the information revealed will none of it's classified top secret. The Kid who took innocently took a selfie being inside the submarine. He's in prison. And this is the biggest thing ever fifteen here. I wouldn't say that Elisardo necessarily classifies as a whistle Laura. I don't know I mean he All of these people are self-serving so the folks that say it's not like you know they're all angels and they have no other ulterior motives. What they do all these guys are in the military? That was their pledge. Are we at a different point where we've totally given up on the idea that we need to hold these people accountable. Is that just kind of out the window And good question where we're at oppose constitutional phase. I mean where in an upside down world. Where what I? I call this thing now legal illegality that's really what it is it's like this legal Framework to to protect what is fundamentally it should be illegal. In any Democratic Oriented Society consciousness clearly is important in some fundamental and mental way to the nature of our reality and secondly we have an enormous hole in our general understanding of reality itself. There's things we don't get and so in that whole are things like UFO's in that whole are things like Synchronicity and spirituality. And maybe even like you know a definitely like psychic phenomena side phenomenom absolutely fit in there stay with us. I kept echo it. It's all said and done the UFO Slash E.. T. thing is going to be understood as well one of the biggest things in our history. I mean it is after all at the center of just about every question we can ask ask who are we. Why are we here? And that makes it at the center of not just our history but also the center of our science in maybe even the center of our spirituality so if the Ufo et thing is the big thing then then what are we to make of. Today's guest because for the last twenty years Oxford trained historian and Rhodes scholar finalist. Richard Dolan has been widely acknowledged as one of the most respected authoritative influential researchers within this field. His many many books. I have some of them up on the screen. If you're watching this and is extensive research articles that I continue to profit from an lean on all the time nine have brought a new level of scholarship and in particular who respect ability to feel. That really needed it especially needed it a few years back when Richard started this adventure. He's the author of a number of books as I mentioned including the seminal UFO and the national security state series also Put another book. We're GONNA talk about when that he wrote with Bryce Zabel and as you all know. Richard has appeared on many many documentaries TV programs. He's the host of the very excellent Richard. Dolan show that we might play some clips of later in the interview. And it's just a real pleasure and joy to have him join me Richard. Thanks so much for being here Alex. It's a pleasure. Thank you for that very nice introduction. Nice to be here. We'll you're welcome in. I don't want to start off with a total cheese ball question but but this is going to sound like one anyway. And that's what are we to make of your legacy. Have you thought about your legacy and you know that makes it immediately soundly. Download GonNA putting you out to pasture something but I really want to hone in on this because you know the UFO field. Anyone who's in that has to pretty much accept the fact that you are going to be ignored by all the mainstream praise givers reward reward reward or honour giving entities. You're going to be outside of the loop on that but as a historian you know that sometimes history Kinda straightens uh-huh out those oversights so without your pretty modest guy from what I can tell but have you given any thought to what it might look like back in terms of your career in the longer lens of history interesting. I've actually never been asked that question before so well I have thought about and Whatever impact my contribution may have had to Ufology in general so when I think back on the communication of my first book? UFO's in the national security state and the first edition of that book. I self published back in the year. A two thousand about a year and a half before nine eleven and I do remember the reaction that had got from some of the old timers in the field at the time and I I was aware that it had a very It seemed to have a strong impact for a lot of people because it was I feel even Now is probably the first attempt to Sort of mainstream UFO history within a broader context of American and world history. So so. I don't think anyone had ever done that before. And that in itself at the time was kind of a radical thing that I could have done that book a lot. Better looking back on it but The funny thing is writing that I was my education in the field. I started in nineteen ninety five ninety four basically ground zero of knowledge of the subject. I mean nothing so I started really throwing myself into the old literature. The old books keough Lorenzo Sanz Hynek repelled. All those guys is in every everyone else that I've been forgotten and And then a lot of the modern what was then modern work on it and put together a narrative Yeah that that had not really been done before so I think And there was at the time it was a radical interpretation of the UFO. Cover up I used used the phrase national security state in the title itself which actually I borrowed from an essay by Gore Vidal from the nineteen eighties. Who had written an article? I think thing for the nation but I think it was a radical interpretation of the coverup which when I look back on that book now it seems very almost conservative. -servative in its thesis. You know I think they're good. People have gone far far more radical and sometimes in a good way sometimes in very unproductive way but I I guess what I would say it's far as legacy is that that work in my subsequent volume and other work that have done since have helped go to open up Like I'll I'll say a better political analysis of the UFO phenomenon and cover up and and then if there's any other legacy that I would have This isn't minds specifically other people have done this as well or better for sure but is to try to to study this subject with with respect that is by looking at the data but not trying to pretend that I understood all of the data and all of information and Showing respect enough to phenomenon. Self to have questions and the puzzle. Huzzah let out and not to pretend that. I know everything one thing that I just get frustrated by sometimes by individuals in failed who who act like. They've got everything figured out. That's interesting in the one thing I can really relate to having followed the UFO field kind of from the outside especially when when you got started but was still super aware of the shift that came about with you doing things in the way that you did it bringing this level all of just confidence authority and scholarship. Did you one more question. Then we're going to move on because I have so many things I wanNA talk to you about but did you get a sense sense for that shift because I think a lot of people felt that shift Dolan comes out. And he's hitting this stuff hard in in terms of the the real stuff. But he's doing a very matter-of-fact scholarly way. We can handle this stuff. Boom here it is. Were you surprised by the shifted. You noticed the shift. I didn't notice it for awhile. have to honestly say that like because I wasn't active in this field in the nineteen nineties. I was a lone wolf researching this all through the nineties. No one knew who I was so I didn't go to any conferences. I didn't really know anyone I didn't talk to. Anyone is very limited correspondents. It's crazy when a look back. How did that book Over that five year period so when I entered the field I don't I don't really think I had a true appreciation of how others were proceeding. That's the truth. I could tell that there were individuals who told me that they appreciate what I did and I mean I got that early on and that that has grown over the years certainly in the last decade even fifteen years it's been It's been shocking to me to be honest to to see response that people get from me. I'm it's humbling. I want to say but in the early years I know I don't think I can't say that I was really aware I think that I was. I was very focused on on pursuing what I felt was A an original approach approach to this. At least as far as I could tell and I know it's a hard question to answer. I think over over time. I've come to appreciate shape that that my that. Whatever it is that I've done has had? Its own niche. Its own place in UFOLOGY. And and that's that's it's definitely a good feeling so one of the things that you've done I guess is really give us a a re the orientation to the word disclosure in what that means in you've kind of come back to that again and again and when we chatted before for the interview one of the things that I said I really was anxious to talk to you about was kind of a follow up to a book that you published a few years ago after disclosure which I thought at the time was again is such a stop singing. Your praises urine Minaka's getting uncomfortable but it really was a novel way to kind of deal with the question of. How can there be this reality? It seems to be acknowledged by so many people understood by so many people and yet it's kept under wraps and we keep spinning around in that circle and then somebody jumps ahead and says okay. Wait a minute. Let's say what happens after disclosure closure so anyways that's what the book was about many people L. About that book but then I found a fantastic presentation. You did the new face of disclosure closer and the Youtube video is up. Gave it in Copenhagen in July of two thousand nineteen and back to the pre interview thing we were having. I wanted to ask you what you think now. Now that a lot of us would look around and say disclosure has happened or is happening what do you think about disclosure. Now let me play a clip from your presentation and then let's chat about that a little bit so can the establishment truly dominate the narrative if they are rolling out this disclosure narrative. I think it would be very difficult or anyone. WHO's trying to control the narrative really? There's a lot of questions that will come up. You know when when we did after disclosure ten years ago Bryce and I really asked about these things for me me. The big question is if you make an acknowledgement that. UFO's are real ever and wouldn't it be the case that people would say. Oh my God how you been lying to us all this time ooh okay. Let's let's talk about that. I mean that's enough of tee up right there. What do you think? Well I think I'll just say is it's funny about disclosure. I did not ever want to write about disclosure ever Fifteen plus years ago people were talking about disclosure. This is back in two thousand and two three four and I would say way too early to talk about that. We've still have to get into the nature of the cover up and disclosures premature and but the problem is I kept getting roped in to Steve Bassett's X. conferences ince's which are about disclosure and all these other disclosure conversations. I was naturally brought in because of the political analysis that I used to do at always done so Yeah when when we wrote after disclosure That's the book. I'm really happy. I had a great co author is able was And is a script screenwriter screenwriter producer. He's got good Hollywood experience he did the TV show dark skies which many still remember and his imprint Israeli definitely visible on that that book but in terms of what I was talking about in that clip there in Copenhagen I still maintain this. I've always believed that. Any kind of official the announcement from any government body particularly the United States government is going to be really difficult one for them to control because does UFO's people think they contain this subject and cannot be tamed. It's it's too big of a reality transformation and that is why I actually don't believe believe that where we're seeing disclosure right now when when The mainstream narrative change starting at the end of two thousand seventeen when the New York Times did their few pieces politico and then all of the follow up and we have seen so much transformation. It is easy to come to the conclusion inclusion of will this is completely government controlled. It's Asya up. It's a disclosure narrative. Whatever I know you really pushed back hard on me when we were talking and I said Richard True to me? This is obviously a political science kind of discordant because totally disagree. I mean well I I can understand the point of view but I'll tell you I disagree can can. I can ask you to pause at a clip and then you can respond directly because we're both like I think you know and appreciate Leslie. Cain right of course and has the byline to that at New York Times story and I had a chance to interview her and I love Leslie. She's awesome she's been on the show a couple times. A lot of respect for but I- hammered are pretty hard. We play this clip Leslie. Who comes forward? This is not a day. He's not a whistle blower right. This is it is. You are such good journalist. Writer investigative journalist Beyond Descru- here to colleagues at the Times that have even more experienced than I am that we're in in on the swim may so we're not just looking at it from from the big picture where is an example of a where anyone inside inside the government has come out and said anything even like this. I mean the the kid who went to jail for having a picture of a submarine in his background. I mean hey this is not a day and age where people inside the government with deep state secrets like this are allowed to speak freely he was not breaking boundaries. Trees are saying all this crazy stuff that no one wanted to say. This is a controlled. Release No I don't agree with that. None of our work ever led me to get to that conclusion inclusion or any of us and we talked to a lot of people the point is none of the information that he brought forward was classified. Information is about classified information. That's the distinction. That distinction is meaningless. At this point. This is the biggest story probably in the in our in the history of our lives. Certainly a lot of people are saying in the history of the world and to suggest that this somehow and some only baloney classified not classified top top secret. This isn't classified and that's supposed to be the mark I I don't see it okay. So of course they he were talking about his is Louie Lozado. And what do you make of that. You know this thing that Oh this wasn't classified so that's why it came out so funny I find myself agreeing with Leslie on this issue issue. I mean I've known leslie for many years and like and respect her and we've chatted with him again last summer but I haven't always agreed with her perspective on public our public statements on this but I agree with her here. I didn't probably initially agree so I'll tell you why I would agree with you. I would agree with you because perhaps like you I. I don't have trust of the New York Times and I don't have a trust. Trust of any of the Mainstream corporate journalist media establishment that exists in the Western world. I think all of it is hopelessly corrupt and servants of the National Security Apparatus and the global financial apparatus. So anything that comes out of the New York Times. I think you have to be very very careful. I love and and you know considering that the New York Times had seventy five years or so of consistent anti UFO. I mean worst. Worst snarky smarmy only exceeded by the Washington Post. Probably which is which is actually the worst but the New York Times has been so bad on this and then suddenly boom home. What's this all about so I'm going to give you my take on what happened here? All right you can really let us at the doorstep of the folks. Tsa Now we can talk about what we you think. Tsa says you can yes. We will know they're a CIA but let let's just leave that aside for a moment and we'll put a pen in that as they say so. TSA EDSA Rolls Out there. Press conference in October. Two thousand seventeen and as you'll probably remember that's really the first public statement of of what became known as the tic TAC UFO even though that had been in that had been discussed and above top secret all of that. But really you have these guys talking about it. And it's a heck back of an encounter and they're talking also about eight tip in that October press release. I'm not sure if they username tip. But they certainly said the Pentagon's been studying this so it was actually that tedious. A press conference at outed the TIC TAC and the tip program so now you've got A legit journalist Leslie who is legit interested in. UFO's not pretend but she is genuinely interested and she's got her inroads with the New York Times and she's got a couple of allies there blumenthal and Helene Cooper and they're dealing with a New York Times establishment. That does not not want to cover this. But I asked Leslie about this myself last summer. And she didn't give me an answer as to why the New York Times covered this. But I'm going to give you my answer as to why I believe in New York Times covered this because they knew that the story was going to break and I believe that they said all right. We will will do this. But we're going to handle it our way and what they ended up doing if you look at those articles as they brought in Particularly with the tip piece Ridiculous Seles Skeptical statements at no meaning like by Jane's own Burr. Oberg like what is even doing in this article and this meaningless astronomer from Yale or Harvard word who had zero to say about this but these were skeptical placeholder psychological place holders so at the New York Times. Data's basically their attempt to control this narrative if so that not to let it get out of control what happened is that because in New York Times gave even some validation. UFO's I think became much bigger than leadership at the Times would have expected boy. I I just. We're able we will have to disagree on this. We'll move out okay. Just address the point. I mean to me. It's so patently just ludicrous. And you know the other thing. I always liked to. What's ludicrous? What's ludicrous exactly? First of all the idea that Luella Lozado is whistle blower is just it. Just it doesn't it just doesn't add up at delight is necessarily call him a whistle blower. I think she did she did. She said he's a whistle blower in an idea that we meant we met with the guy the at the dod. But he's a whistle blower all the information he will he revealed will none of it's classified top secret. It's like I'm like I mentioned you. The the kid who took innocently took a snap photo a Selfie being inside the submarine he's in prison and this is the the biggest thing ever happened fifteen here. I wouldn't say that Ella Zondo necessarily classifies whistle blower. I don't know I mean he All all of these people are self-serving so the folks at Tsa it's not like you know they're all angels and they have no other ulterior motives. What they do It's all about out money. It's all about getting a piece of the action. I I would hazard to guess that they want. Maybe they want some defense money. Maybe they want some contracts. Maybe they want access to what they know is classified technology. There may be other things going on here where it's not all philanthropic. I I would be shocked if it were who whoever acts like that so I don't see alternative. Here's the alternative. Read on that that that I take a lot of other people take is that number one. It's political. The word political is important here. Not because I have any political stake in the left versus the right I think the whole thing is is a scripted. Nonsensical sensical joke at this medium level and that there's a layer above it just ignores all that anyway but this is clearly coming from the Podesta Clinton camp that was trying to release the year before it sure looks. They were hooked up with Tom Delong in that whole thing and they were announcing they were Kinda pre heating us for the release. They didn't win the election so they just kind of rolled it out anyway as how it looked to me I think the whole thing the whole Peter Levin Dicamba the long thing it just was the story just never made any sense. Peter Levada well you know. Tom Belong called me up and I was like wow. Is this really. Tom Belong like. Yeah Buddy we we gotta go to the CIA and get to the bottom of the full story because it's never been told it's like is this like some kind of bad scraped there's some reality in some some non reality in that so I would say I've never believe that Hillary and pedestrian ever GonNa be disclosure team. Ever I. I don't I didn't believe it then. I don't believe in now. I don't think it would ever have happened. If she'd been elected president would be no more disclosure than there is now. I don't think that was the plan I I do believe Podesta's very smart and as a UFO savvy guy which he clearly is Recognized that his candidate who was desperately desperately in need of an additional cool factor in her campaign could benefit from being kind of a UFO knowing also that the New York Times would not trash since they basically we own the New York Times coverage anyway. So she she could get away with being a UFO candidate gone Jimmy Kimmel. Try Her hand at that. That whole thing And maybe a few votes. That's all that I've ever believed. There's no evidence to me that in any of the Delong Podesta communications at Podesta. It was actually serious about this like someone. Please show me where where does Podesta show that. Yes we're going to do disclosure. This is all along all his think. Thank pedestrian allowed some communications to happen and then of course the whole thing was they turn the lights on. wikileaks came out and they'll ran for recovering. Poet in Dhillon came up with his team. But that's pillory thing I I I'm I don't think I believe that okay. I think that they were I. Think Delong people might have had these had these allusions yes. I think. That's entirely possible that they would have thought. Oh yes we're GONNA get Hillary but ESTA disclosure candidates But I seriously doubt that Hillary Clinton or Podesta would have is considered moving ahead with a youth. Disclosure will one of things that people really appreciate about your work. Richard and I respect as well as you move very carefully according to direct evidence that you have your. We can't really say direct evidence but as close as you can get back yet and it's I respect that. Try at the at the same time. I think. I think there is a need to kind of fill in some of these planks. That's what I'm trying to do here as well but let's move on into a kind of a reliable enjoyed this. I just want I. I enjoyed discussing this with him. Some will when I listened to your Copenhagen presentation. I can't think you're are in many respects in the same camp when you lay out really the the the like you say the Wa The Washington Post and his appearance on Fox that as as well as Ondo and then all this other stuff you kind of make the case on both sides and that you come down on one or the other which is totally I get respect. Here's something we're we're going to move on to what you dubbed the leak of the century. Yes and we're gonNA talk about that. But we're GONNA end that as the released released by of the Thomas Wilson memo. But I'm GonNa do it through the words of this guy who see up on the screen Doctor Edgar Gurmit Joel. Apollo astronaut support our troops doctor. Edgar Mitch let me play a couple of clips from this might have to skip around. Because it's a long clip and I want to get a couple of the things in there so I thought we just play a little bit of the Astros because the guy is so tall to the podium. NCAA distinguish American a man who is in fact someone who has the right stuff. We includes a doctorate in aeronautics and astronautics from not selection to the NASA Powell program so election to eight NASA. Aso's Bass. It's going to go through his long list which she should and he deserves. We're going to skip ahead here a little bit this now. He's going to be talking about Rogers from France so that people in area who hadn't been involved what I call the old timers who because I it just ad in here Edgar Mitchell is from Texas but he really claims to be from Roswell Age. People like an sheriff have department who had been to the crash site and we're shirt providing traffic my friend and friend of our family the major who was an office mate so because he does have a little bit of that Texas draw and you're a New Yorker and Amish Chicago Guy. We need a speed up here. He basically basically says and I want you to respond to this. Any doubters about Roswell should be doubters. No more of our Apollo astronaut walked on the moon. Two thousand nine he comes and says. Hey it's real. I know it from the best authorities that I have and I'm a local and I know it and it also jives with what I know from my professional fashion career so that we're GONNA put a pin in that but I do much to come back to address it and I wanted to bring go forward a little bit in this conversation to do the real point of what I was trying to get you respond to here. Let's get some point about ten years years ago and I can't remember what David was right now. When the disclosure move under void strongly I came here to Washington with the Danish commander name of Willard and Stephen Greer and we were able to get an appointment at the Pentagon to talk about what we do what we allegedly knew what we thought we know and went and told her story and the power should be of the Intelligence Committee of the Joint Chiefs of Staff listened to her story and said the admiral said well? I don't know that story. I don't know if that's true. But I will find out. So we departed. Bring bring him down. Because I want you to pick up and you've written extensively in done some extensive shows on this and again you. You've dubbed it. The what Lee did you say. You have a leak of the century so early on a little bit and tell us what Edgar Mitchell's talking about absolutely. I'm glad you found that clip by the way Alex Alex I was sitting in that audience looking at him. He did that and It's funny how I forgot of two thousand nine that once you Yeah Yeah but anyway. I've known about this since two thousand six so in fact I communicated with Edgar about that in back six as well but essentially. Here's here's the story back in Nineteen ninety-seven April of that year Edgar Mitchell commander will mellor who we just mentioned Dr Steven Greer a couple of other people. greer was really leading this effort at the time to make the rounds in Washington to talk to anyone within Congress anyone in power about UFO. Cover up issue and and his particular take a largely accurate. I would have to say on black budget. Nature of UFO cover up the privatization. The rogue nature of the secrecy is. I think he would call it and I would call it so to synergetic interject here so much you to break that down for people. Because I I've listened to like two hours that you've given on that in its spellbinding in terms of these secret programs the how the different levels of authorization non authorization knowledge outset and then the privatization thing and the is really a ploy to move it. Outside of the purview of the freedom of Information Act so kind of at a high level. Go over that game. That's being played. Is that fits into this. Well let me continue by just by telling the story but I I will definitely want to bring that analytic end because it's important when it ended ended up happening and everyone is agreed to this that that greer and his group were able to meet with Admiral. Thomas Wilson who at the time was a vice chair of intelligence intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of staff the position on his J.. To a very shortly after that Wilson became head of intelligence joint chiefs and then Within two years of did that became head of the Defense Intelligence Agency than retired when oftener private industry in the early Bush years. But here we are ninety seven and greer. I actually did a presentation for Wilson and Wilson's colleagues and one of Wilson's awesome and other colleagues were there and it was all about. UFO's in fact one. One of the things mentioned was Philip. J Corso Book the Day After Roswell U. F. O. crashes so all of that is official in two thousand six someone very close to all of that but not at the meeting with someone close to Mitchell's close to that whole group met with me personally and we And showed me a couple of pages and I've I've never remembered if it's two or three pages one or the other might be two pages might be three pages of what looked like a transcript of sorts. It turned out to be Eric Davis notes but a transcript between a a one person writing down his interview with someone else and this individual that I was speaking with told me Yeah This person was in the joint chiefs and met with greer and was told about the black budget program of UFO's and went looking and within two months was Found the program or one of the programs and then was denied access by the lawyers by the corporate lawyer. The program manager because he didn't have a need to know and was very very upset about it and so And then the other thing was that he got that I remembered reading that he had confirmation that this was technology. Not of this earth not made by human hands I wasn't given any names during that meeting but shortly after that I read Stephen. GREER's Book Hidden Truths Forbidden Knowledge. where he wrote about his meeting with Wilson and I wrote back to my contact us and oh I guess I know who it is? It's Wilson and he said Yep Ended up having a quick phone. Conversation with Admiral. Wilson I communicated with Edgar Mitchell. Chill about this. I even communicated with Stephen Greer briefly And Long Story. Short Wilson would not not admit whatsoever. I had even had the meeting and he was forced to admit and meeting And then no but I never did anything after that. I never looked into those nonsense since which is patently untrue. And here's you have Mitchell statement saying that Wilson did look into it. Of course we don't really know like no one literally would know. But what we do have. Is Eric Davis of National Institute of Discovery Science who was friendly with Edgar Mitchell. They were all on the Knicks Board. Back in those days run by Robert Bigelow. The head of the board was kicked green. Another important member was how put off Com Kelleher. All of these people they all knew each each other and what I always call them. Bigalow club Bayer. The people trying to work their way into the labyrinth. They all have their own security clearances to one extent or another they all knew a lot about. UFO's they all shared what they could share on this matter and they did it for years and they still do the accepted again so here in two thousand. Two Davis has an opportunity to meet with Wilson was a two thousand three three two dozen three. Excuse me he has an opportunity to meet with Wilson and he goes and it's an roughly an hour or so long meeting and it's an car and Davis either had recorded it or wrote these notes down and brings it back to the crew that to green back to put off back to bigalow hello back to Mitchell and and when Mitchell died in in Twenty seventeen his papers mostly were taken by his family like his Apollo stuff and all about but the papers that had to do with neds. The papers that ended with consciousness that had to do with UFO's They were going to be destroyed and the family had no interest in it. But one individual. And I've I've actually don't know the person's full name anyway so it's no point but I know about this person was able allowed legally not to take a certain amount of these papers out of the House and they have some of them have been Jay pegged and one of those papers are the Eric Davis notes. That were about his meeting with Thomas Wilson that confirmed things like Mj twelve that confirm the deep privatization of the secret which we can get into that confirm Wilson's utter frustration at attempting and failing to get into this this black budget World of special access program reverse engineering UFO tech and maybe even et bodies. All of. That didn't come up in the notes. Yeah so all of that and I am personally waiting for more of these notes that come out. I know that there are more. I don't know if they're bombshells. I don't know if they're duds but I know that there's more and I think I'm hopeful that there will be more of these come out now relating to UFO privatization. I'll simply before you get into that. Let me been there the thing I want to say. Are you a little bit too comfortable with that. Have you been desensitized to that. A little bit Richard. Because here's my point. You know you've done an awesome job odd so this is now reached the Dolan level of credibility which you already told us as pretty high you need the sources you need the documents you know and now you the documents you say. AD after disclosure are we after constitution. Only have these high level all people it disclosing that you know this support and defend the constitution against all powers foreign and domestic which is what everyone everyone pledges. All these guys are the military that was their pledge Edgar Mitchell that was his pledge in you can say is a good guy or he didn't disclose enough but that was his pledge Wilson that was his plan and they're not doing it and you know are we at a different point where we've totally given up on on the idea that we need to hold these people accountable. Is that just kind of out the window Man Good question where we are in post constitutional phase. I mean look we're in an upside tie-down world where what I call this thing now legal illegality. That's really what it is like this legal Framework to to protect protect. What is fundamentally should be illegal in any democratic oriented society? So that's you say that again again. I mean what. That's why I say. Leave your awesome but some legality. Yeah calmness the calmness that you bring to that the polly side call all miss. The it doesn't fully bring people into what you're saying about this point. We are in this thing. We call the United added states. I mean we're talking about really jumping past desensitize. I've been talking about this for twenty years. I mean since nine eleven I got into a lot of trouble Qassam at least over my nine eleven comments. That's a whole other episode. Perhaps but I've been I've been on the other side of this for a long time and I have. I don't think I've been under an illusion that we have a truly functioning democratic republican system. I hold onto the dream of that because what else can I hold onto. What we're living in a world of twenty four seven global fascistic type surveillance that in which no one will ever have an inkling privacy ever again for the rest of our lifetimes in our grandchildren's lifetimes and I'm still Ronna? Wrap my head around that whole other thing. So we're we're living in a completely different world than what we were taught in our fifth grade civics class us of what American life is supposed to be and that goes for any country but in terms of the secrecy of. UFO's it so it is so profound it's so oh deep so for example when this whole leak came out all right I wrote I got I got a no comment. You're from how cut off and I got a no comment a month later from kid green and I'm just GonNa say like I know both of these guys reasonably well particularly put off. I've known for years and and I just said look why don't why doesn't your group come out and own these documents because you know they're real well you know it's the real deal just for posterity. You're getting up there. Were you hanging onto. Why are you doing this and you know all of them? It's not just it's not just him it's all of them they're all in this world of love clearances and they are terrified of losing their clearances. All the every last one they They don't want to acknowledge. And the funny thing about at this particular document is. This is Eric Davis is private notes. The document itself is not a classified government. Document the private document about a classified program and and legally. There's nothing classified about that document like. There's no reason that it should have to be classified. It's a private document written by Eric Daves about a meeting he had with someone about a classified subject and yet they still won't own it because it will reflect badly on them and they don't want to lose the clearances that they've had. I spoke to someone in that in that crowd a number of years ago who told me explicitly explicitly about their knowledge of debate programs at have alien tech and alien bodies and and they this person said Yeah and what what do I do with this information is what if I told you that I know the names of like the top ten twelve fifteen people who are most in on this secret and and and I leaked that information. Let's say to the New York Times. A what would the New York Times deal with it. Probably nothing but if the New York Times were to publish it it would. It very likely be traced back to me and lose all my clearances and then I'm out of the game and so that's the game. All these people are playing now then. There's threats I wrote. Oh to Mitchel on one occasion about this I was writing to Edgar Mitchell. A lot in seventy eight and I said look you know you told me I personally. One Time and Mitch didn't Oh four. He told me alone in a room he said he had to individuals at the highest level. Clearances who confirmed firm to him the existence of alien bodies and E T tech being held Mitchell said to me in two thousand four and he made the statement once or twice publicly but he said it to me and I wrote to him a few years later and said look you tell me you like my work. So why. Don't you throw me a bone and point ran a direction that can help me. I'm not asking you to give up anyone but can you just give me something. And what he wrote back was kind of amazing he said look. I support what you do however the people who came to me did who gave me this information did so at great risk he said professionally personally and and risk to their families and I will not essentially will not throw them under the bus while they were still alive and he never did so risk to their families. You know you fill in the blank Mike. What that means but These people there's carrot and stick for them both like the carrot. Is you play ball. You're a team player. It's like being in Goodfellas like you're a made man you get you get all of these nice little. Open your career for you. If you do not play ball they bring the hammer down and however however hard what one of them also said this to me all right. I'm not giving up names when I cannot give up a name. I will not give up a name but one of them said had a lot of these programs do not require you to sign an NDA or security. He says when you get into these programs you know no you. Don't talk about it and blood out. Jesse buying the mafia mafia. Yeah but anyway the privatization. I'll just leave you with this there was a very good article I was led to early on in my research. Like like a one or two by felony bill sweetman. Who is an aviation writer? He's still around he. did a lot of work with Jim Goodall on unlike stealth technology not UFO. So much rarely just advanced aerospace aviation work Sweden's a really good writer. He wrote on the Aurora. Crafty where on Stealth fighter stealth bomber a lot of other Israel area. Fifty one expert and he wrote this article for Jane's International Fence in two thousand early two thousand on forget the name of it black budget special access programs and it was a good analysis for mainstream journalists for sure and he talked about how the sap the world is dominated was even then by private money not by DOD personnel. He said when I looked into this to my surprise I found that this is a totally privatized and all the security clearances are held in private industry and you know ten years later. The Washington Post of all publications did a study called. Call Them. Think America's top secret. Dana Miller Bill Larkin. Did that similar conclusions Just last summer. I'm talking with Kit Green about this and he eases absolutely it's all when you retire from the CIA or any federal group and you go into private industry your clearances go up and they become better and more numerous he said. Because that's what the brain power is that where the money is. That's where the power is. The federal government in other words is just holding the ball for these guys and your tax dollars my tax dollars pay for the security of these privatized programs rams to make shitloads of money by could say that on your show if not you'll have to edit me out to save to make a lot of money off of uh-huh exotic technology some of which I think has been acquired by through Not our own work so and we had we had Diana WASPA- sulk on and you know her book. Amir has make I mean she just directly lays it out you know here it is. Here's a Here's the secret college were brought in here is the privatized Silicon Valley guys and. There's just no reason to believe that isn't true. No she right into that Very very like weird way too. Because we're GONNA come back and swingback. Because the spirituality part you know she kind of gets into to the Catholic Church shirts and all that but I I just wanted to close the loop on what you just said because the privatization first and foremost it's an end run on the constitution. itution right. That's really what it's at out. That's that's exactly so you have A. I mean this is something that's been going on since the bullet went through Abraham Lincoln's brain in eighteen. Sixty five if you go back to American history this has been going on since that moment and and it's just one degree after another after another and were now in this upside down world where but in and it's like in my very first book I brought brought an quote by Nicola Machiavelli from his discourses on Livy the Good Book Great Book and he essentially said look if you really want have a functioning optioning revolution like a revolution from above. He says the way to do it. Is You've got to retain assembly of the old forms because that's all people notice that's all that they're used to so It says if you you can change the fundamental structure of something but if you keep the exterior looking the same way people will almost inevitably along. And that's what's happening. So we've got he's still have presidents. We still have Supreme Court. We still have a two houses of Congress We have this system in place but the bodies of dead and it's like in that movie alien where the thing comes out of the chest so you've got this corpse and this new thing has come out I called it the national security state. You can call it the deep state you can call it the global financial system. I mean it's something that is standing behind and much more powerful than our official political institutions and how to get control back in the name of the people is really are single most important thing and and Bob Relating to UFO's I mean it's fascinating subject on every level to me philosophically scientifically absolutely but to me. The most important thing is politically. Because I'm not interested in a world where this disclosure happens to me In a completely controlled manner her by our social betters in our political leaders. I have no interest in that. I just put me in a rocket ship and I live on the moon. I don't want to live on this world I'm I'm interested in in getting to some level of truth so that citizens can at least have a dream of some level of sovereignty and I think the a secret has as seriously moved us South the only thing that's created this this world that we live in of a privatized secrecy and legal illegality but it's definitely contributed a lot and political science people to this day. Don't appreciate just how important it has been in creating the World WanNa move on. I WanNa talk about good good. Et Batty T. Because one of the things I also really respect about your work. Richard is a feel lake AAC even though the political side the national security side is your swing zone. You've allowed yourself to be stretched in some really really important ways and you seem willing and I'm just surprised at how many people are unwilling to go over that next hill be at consciousness business. Be It spiritually be. You're unbelievable for part interview series and may even grow beyond that with Chris. bledsoe where he's talking talking about angels and we're GonNa play a clip from that. So you end up Tracy who is inexperienced. Or I don't know does she. Call the suburbs an experience or an abductee. I mean that's something we can even pull apart. She would probably say experience there. I think that's her go to. Because he doesn't doesn't she wouldn't say that she knows she's an abductee so I would say that she she does. She does believe strongly that she's had a couple of experiences with non human intelligences intelligences. Will you guys did an incredible youtube video on this. That is like eighty thousand views and is just incredible in terms of its breath and covering a lot of these topics. But there's some I wanted to drill in further and I thought this would be a time to do it and I think it also pairs well with as was I saying the recent series you've done with Chris Blitz. Here's a guy we both know and like respect grant Cameron. He's been my show a couple times and no you're friends with them. Let me play this clip from grant and then. Let's talk about that. His wife suddenly wants to talk about. I'd like to talk about entanglement article and and I'm thinking why would you ask us. Your husband is a PhD in physics is right. He run the parapsychology the The the what they call Dave phenomenology desk at this where people have to realize is that when the calls at phenomenology that is a hint. As as to what's going on it is not. UFO's it's remote viewing go spurs psychology T- telepathy. It's the whole ball of wax. 'cause it's all consciousness yes that's the scratches and they know that and that's why when the Canadian documents said in one thousand nine hundred fifty that mental phenomena may be involved the top secret in government documents say mental phenomena may be involved in flying saucers. That's when they started the MK Ultra stopped. That's when they start trying to figure out. How does this work? Because they had a live alien in nineteen nineteen forty seven. That's how the Americans knew. Tell the Canadians. In nineteen fifty the mental phenomena was in both. Nobody was talking to aliens in nineteen fifty. There were a damn skin williamson would not come forward until a couple couple days. After the nation to hydrogen bomb betty and Barney Hill would not become public slow mid sixties. Nobody said they were talking to aliens in public at least and so therefore. How did they know that Mental Apple Toronto's involved because they had a live and they knew that the alien is telepathic? And it gets in your head and they went wild man if we discover how this worked and now I yeah no you're a New Yorker and you talk fast but no one talks as fast and a class by himself and he's added in Winnipeg Manitoba as does he do that. Yeah like where do you get that we don't we don't quite get that. I just want to give grand credit because as far as I know he is the the first person rarely to key in on the significance of that phrase mental phenomena in the Wilbert Smith memo that he wrote to the Canadian Department of Transport way back in nineteen fifty. You know we looked at other. People have looked at other parts of that memo for years The subjects more important than the age and so forth but grant grant keyed in Below that where this aspect of mental phenomena was very considered very important by the US government and many uses uses that to catapult us into a whole bunch of stuff that jumps us right into the middle of this good et batty. You know Richard My my approach to this whole thing. The whole skeptical approach has been from consciousness. That's what I was interested in answering for myself. You know who are are we wire we hear. Well let's look at what people are saying about consciousness. Let's look at in year death experience. Let's look at auto body experience after death communication parapsychology. You know you look at the I two hundred interviews I did. That's what Dean Raden Rupert Sheldrick parapsychology people. Dr Julia shall so it was interesting when I met grant in Sync Dan I I think I was influential to grant and saying do you understand how consciousness how we how we are being part of the conspiracy. Is this idea that science continues to tell us were biological robots in a meaningless universe while well at the same time acting like you're saying the kind of secret legal ille- illegality way they're doing stargate they're doing men who who stare at goats there are way beyond consciousnesses illusion as an EPA phenomena the blank and then grant like you said puts in the missing puzzle piece and goes goes. Yeah that's because in the nineteen fifties. They knew it. And then that makes us rethink the whole M. K.. Ultra thing and what our orientation is to evil because there's clearly evil well in ultra or we're trying to white people's minds clean reprogram them and all this other stuff so jump us us into what has been your. I guess process of getting into these deeper questions and because it also so gets into spirituality very very quickly and as as I already hinted at and you jumped in both feet with crisp. Let's so they're I've I've laid like fifty thousand things. LS List it was. I am by the way. I don't know what time limit you have and I. I'm really enjoying this so I'll go as long as you WANNA go. I'm having a great time here. I will you start by telling a story that I have told once in a while but not that often and for me it was a defining moment in my life I think twenty or twenty one years old at the time and I've always thought about these types of issues of free will and determinism and spirituality and I I I think a lot of people have I'm one who's always thought about it and I went through very strong period where I was I guess I was an atheist. Nineteen twenty years old and I had my reasons all laid out as to why I did not believe in any kind of transcendental reality. I thought that was all based on wish fulfillment I just started reading Freud. I remembered and a lot of other philosophers is an existential list. You know how it is and I thought. Well that's all just You know we believe in an afterlife because we're afraid of death and and we don't want to come to terms so and then I had a dog and I was feeding my dog. I can see this in my mind even now so I got a can of Dog Food Adam open up the can and he knows exactly what I'm doing. He's watching me. He's excited and because he knows that I'm about to feed him and I'm observing him as he's eating and I'm thinking Lisa very intelligent creature like he knows me. He knew that there was that can represent a dog food and plus I knew he was aware of many things that I wasn't aware of like smells sounds but I thought let here's something he doesn't know it doesn't know how the food got into that can like he'll never. He'll never grasp that because dog brain like it just doesn't work like that the He doesn't know what the stars are if he looks up at them. It isn't what the Moon is didn't know that he's been taken out of his natural environment. And all these other things and I g Richard. You're so damn smart so your dogs at this level. You're at this level what's here what's their what's their what's their and it suddenly occurred to me the insistence on this complete. No transcendental reality thought. How ridiculously Arrogant arrogant for me to say that and then of course as you go through life and you realize back in you look at people in the past and everyone's always believed that they had it all figured out like everyone go back to ancient Egypt five thousand years ago talk to an addiction peasant living on the Nile. and He tell you yeah when that Sun goes down that's the God raw and he goes below the disc of the earth. It's shaped like a coin. And he's GonNa be battling the demons of the underworld. You'd better hope he wins because if he doesn't the world will end like that's what they believed. We look back and think well. That's it's really quite wrong but we now believe we've got it all figured out like clearly. We don't and more fundamentally our brains themselves are the limitation like our brains are mazing they can allow us to engage in all kinds of incredible ideas and realities but they have their limits mitts and in fact we understand some the the limits are we organize reality spatially and temporarily to space and time actually exists the way that our minds tell us well even guys like Immanuel Kant two hundred plus years ago said nope not really and Einstein and others kind of confirm that so we know so that our brains Organiz reality so with that said I look at anomalies in our world today as I think you know I published a couple of books by Mike Clelland Clelland the Owl guy and Mike. Mike's Amazing his work to me. Mike is the true heir to Belajack Ole John Keel in terms of looking at This synchronised world that we live in with this Meta intelligence that really does seem at times to be guiding us like where each characters in the video game. It's like someone out there saying I've got I have Alex Cipro's for a couple of years. I'll have Dolan. Let's have them do an interview in early. Two Thousand Twenty okay cool but on the calendar like I. I wonder if things like this because there are very bizarre. Very very bizarre Anomalies synchronous cities. That happened in this world and I don't pretend that I know what it is. But here's what why I'm getting into this. Because consciousness clearly as important in some fundamental way to the nature of our reality. There is no question in my mind anymore We've done enough genuine scientific experimentation that can support that and secondly we have in in an enormous hole in our general understanding of reality itself. Like there's things we don't get and so in that whole old are things like UFO's in that whole are things like You know synchronicity and spirituality and Maybe even even like a definitely like psychic phenomena science phenomenon Absolutely fit in there so we don't get it yet and I'm hopeful that we might light one day of a better understanding of it I don't consider it paranormal. I consider it. I consider those normal but we don't have a full understanding of it so back to do grant and as whole focus on everything has consciousness. You know what maybe he was going to say. Why don't we throw throw? I was doing a little out of order. But let's throw Chris bledsoe on the pile. Fantastic again folks. You got to listen to these series of interviews but before we do. Do you want to just intro Chris. Little Jar Intel people. You know who. Oh He is a little bit of the backstory a little bit of the story of this four part interview series. You did and then play the clip. That really gets to the point of Angel because as I wanNA this. Good E. T. Baddie tea and get to the really big stuff I mean is this God but I who is Chris Plante. Where did you do in this interview? Series Chris we may do a fifth part by them. I'm hopeful that we'll do that but Chris Lives North Carolina s Guy I built built homes for living as a nice big family. Lots of kids. And had he's had had a near death ethics -perience as a child which I think was significant but essentially as an adult starting in two thousand seven had a a remarkable. UFO encounter with his son and three other men While they were fishing and in the aftermath of that had has had a series of other very very incredible encounters. I mean the thing about his case that makes difficult is the stories seem really fantastic to particularly modern temperament like encounters with what appears to be like an angelic being multiple times and Balls of light and And he is convinced by the way that these are very benevolent beings. And he's had them repeatedly but what what what makes his story. Hard to dismiss for me is a the man himself which I realizes not a very good source of proof like I really like him and I trust him but on top of that. He's had a lot of cooperation from other individuals. Who have been around him when things have gotten crazy that includes grand cameron that includes Chase Klatsky that includes John Alexander and I'm sure there are other people as well? I annabella Salka very close and very close as as is revealed in your interview series. He is the real deal in terms. Of Yeah you know you were talking about Eight tip and pink. Being a case that the United States government was very very interested in they were on it MEPHAM was on. It did a real head trip and have to wonder about some kind of covert active. All again all this is spelled out in the interview because I can even see your kind of trepidation and talking about the angel stuff but that makes it even more significant that Dole was able was willing to go there so without up further to when we played angel clip. And let's talk about good. Et Batty tea and the church. Don't WanNa believe it they think demonic the move the OPPO world rejected it because of these individuals that were controlled on the thing and here. I'm stuck and I've got these entities telling me you got to tell you story you gotTa turn store until what you know and I told them Oakland on I believe there were angels. Just put it right out there and to did day. I'm pretty sure that's what we're experiencing. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so. There it is there it is indeed and again. Just reemphasize US identity. Say the same thing over and over again. Listen to Richard's foreparts this is a UFO case of the first order you know has multiple eye-witnesses reported consistent with all the other not all the other but with many other UFO cases. This isn't a one off kind of thing. And then he drops the angel bomb on US which we've heard in various ways ways that hey we're really talking about God here in some way or something close to her associated with what we honor most is spirituality. What do you think thank Richard? It's it's amazing. Having talked with him. And I'll just point out of those four interviews. I felt that I really I told Chris said I want to. I want to get the story out logically and thoroughly and you have to allow me to ask you questions that are going to challenge you but I wanna give you ultimately the opportunity to tell your story and we developed a very I think a very gentle rapport back and fourth and so I was very pleased about that in terms of his His account of things he challenges me to be perfectly the honest like my instinct is to. I don't like these types of cases my instinct is I want I want a material physical nuts and bolts gays to deal with. I'm not GonNa lie like what I got into twenty five years ago. Is this idea that there's a physical phenomenon that's out there that there are very likely beings of some sort that are running it. They don't seem to be us. They're probably physical. Maybe they've got magical type technology that makes them seem aim spiritual like this is how I think throat and as time has gone by that has been challenged and Chris without a doubt challenge at very very strongly. Hey from me so you know I'm at the point now my life. I'm almost sixteen just shocks me. I'm fifty seven and boy a lot of water's gone under the bridge in the years. That have done this and I would say I'm at a point in my life where I actually do believe and and A dimension of reality beyond this physical realm that we live in and I'll tell I'll share a story that I have actually. I've told on my website on the members site but I've not said this publicly and I'm I'm happy to say it here. My father Digest over a year ago. He was a month before he turned eighty. Eighty in December of twenty. Eighteen right He and I were quite close. His name is also Richard and I had a very tight relationship with his whole ideas of retired New York. City Cop Worked at the World Trade Center and had September or eleven off that day mung thinks that manny shared his job with was killed that day but my dad and I were always close and he died on December second of two thousand eighteen Living about one hundred and fifty miles away from me. I had spoken with him on the phone earlier that day and I didn't expect he was in hospital spittal he. He was not feeling well but no one thought he was going to die And then in that evening and around eight twenty. In the evening I was sitting on the couch next to Tracy. We were both working on our laptops and I adjust had two little ceiling lights installed old like a few months earlier in my living room and they were on a dimmer setting a dim setting and tracy notice at first. She looked up his look at those lights. They're going crazy. They're going bright DIM BRIGHT DIM. Bright Dem Bright Dem and may I you know I got it all worked up my God stupid lights. What's going on holidays and I get up and I'm staring at the lights and I'm watching them? Frequently these lights is freaking out. I'm thinking I got. I got that wiring myself self. I gotta exactly what it was. I had licensed contractor. Would stall them. I watched them go in. They were rock solid and I turn the light on and off off a few times in jammed the switch up and down the dimmer setting and that stopped it. The team minutes later my sister called me to tell me that her dad died fifteen minutes earlier and I think about that. And I'm like all right so that just a coincidence. So some of your really skeptical guests who've been on here in the past. Say out just a coincidence but how many times times you have to have a coincidence like that to think something happened here now. What really got me thinking was l.? The hell would my father had done. That would have flown instantly. One hundred fifty miles over the New York state thruway gotten into the wiring of my home and shouted. Hey Richie take a look at this. Like is that what he was doing. or how did he arrive. And no like if you WANNA go down this road to go to those lights which had just been installed and which were on a dim setting thing and to play with them like has that work like. I don't know how that works. But there's something in our physics and yes I'm GonNa say I choose. Choose to believe that somehow my father's death in that light phenomenon related. I don't know how it's related. I don't know who did that. Or what that was. But that tells me or hints to me as just one more example of our world giving us these hints that there's something much bigger going on here and I'm with grant in the sense that and I'm with Chris Bledsoe in the sense that I don't think that it's all negative but I'm not with. I don't know where grant stands on this. Actually but I wouldn't be with him if he were to say it's all all positive. I don't believe that I mean Stephen Gray would say it's all positive too and I strongly disagree with that. I think That's just foolish so I think that's almost to me the third dimension of it because I want to recap what you talked about which I find so intriguing. The first dimension isn't the proper word. Forgive me me but the first question that pops to mind is what is the interface with our physical reality. Because we're interested in that we have this kind of curious engineering. How did he make the lights shift? Like the second. I think I question that pops up is what is the technology legacy of the consciousness interface and I think that's particularly interesting because when we look at E. T. and we start looking at the cases there's clearly has grant pointed out in that clip. We played from the nineteen fifties. We understood there's mental. Telepathy is the means of communication wiggle. Shit we don't know how to do that but apparently apparently they do and they have like a an APP on your iphone. So there's a technology component to consciousness that we just totally don't get and it also relates to this time space thing that we get but then the third dimension of it which you just just touched on and I think is so fascinating and I really WanNa get to it because it gets to the heart of the video that you did with Tracy and that's the good versus evil the moral imperative it's it's so challenging because we've all gone through. You know you said you went through an atheistic phase. Any thinking person doesn't go through an atheist phase because those are fed with this kind of narrow zero Christian Dogs get on the arc kind of stuff but when we blast past that were still faced with. Is there good in bad. And how does that work you talked about grant. Let me play. What grant has the say about that? And then I wanna get your take and then I'll offer my take on it. There's good and bad. There is a moral difference that you know. Take the most extreme example. The Guy who's taking little kids and cutting them up and selling their body parts and sexually molesting him that in my mind is is bad. It's evil and then there's a bunch of shades in between and then there are some really holy good people that I don't know how they do it but they keep all their shit together and they really do it. Well How's your universe is is. They're good in bed because some people in the consciousness camp say well. There's really no good and bad at all just kind of you know well if you go to the new stuff no if you get into reincarnation. It's all experienced the mistake you make is used you. We did it in that sentence. You say okay. This guy's cut up little people or whatever okay and then there's these good people who basically have it all together and I would go to. You don't have to quote the Bible but with the whole thing with the prostitute. Jesus said lead. He who's perfect. Cast the first stone all you have. You not have good people and bad people you do not have good alien and that ain't good deeds and there is according to Ray Hernandez oh shoot. I didn't mean to cut that off but I it did so. Let's just let's just leave it right there. I do have to give a shout out to my friends at Grand Mira who hosted this conversation between grant and I but you so you get the gist of it. What do you think Oh man ever read the grand inquisitor by Dostoyevsky aware of it? I can't say UH. All awareness and amazing so two brothers are debating one is a a pious priest to be and one is an atheist intellectual sexual and the atheist wrote this story the grand inquisitor and basically he was talking about his his belief where he says look. I don't believe even God. I don't believe that there's any any salvation enough that could justify You know the kinds of crimes torturing children killing children or abusing people in such a horrible way like there's no when you take someone who's innocent and you do such a horrible we'll thing And you tell me God forgives all Ivan the brother says I don't want God I rebel against Gun and in a grant grants. I never resolve this myself. I mean honestly a I can tell you that I've struggled with it like I believe in my heart that there's good and evil I do and I know even when I see it and I know good when I see it but I get grants point here like you know our worlds is Dullsville dot. It's a little dot and when you step back you can see there's this grand movement happening opening and and when we do terrible things why do we do terrible things as it because we because you could say maybe we lack. We lack the knowledge of the greater greater the greater good. I don't know where I stand on that I may be struggling with that till the day I die I mean I can see both sides of it I think in my I daily life. I'm absolutely one of the people that he's been an evil so on a practical level there's good in on a practical level there's evil and I didn't know probably doing after evil people. Is it possible that e t is representative of that dichotomy in individual cases because we are there bad. Et's who were. I think when people when people deny this I think what did you dislike fall off the turnip truck. Like how. How naive do you have to be like? Imagine if we went back in history. Two Thousand Years Two Or three thousand years like ancient ancient Greece twenty five hundred years ago and in our Nice clothing with our little iphones and our technology and our shiny teeth and are nice. You know whatever we've got and we talked to the Greek people there and they'd be like wow they've got their shit shit together. You must have figured all of your problems out like you probably don't even have any war and we just look at each other like. Don't say a word. The fact is advanced technology and capabilities. Clearly we have learned does not mean that we are any better or different ethically than those the people we we have changed in a lot of ways to the overt kind of brutality. That's gone away. We're we're transforming ourselves physiologically evolutionary early because of civilization as something. I'd love to talk about because I think it's affected our psychic abilities to the worse but but but basically we're still human when beings were still aggressive. Were supposed to be aggressive by the way. That's that's a canard that like Belarus was to be peace loving and all that nonsense. That's stupid in my opinion like you have to have aggression. If you want to survive in a world like you have to be able to fight you have to be able to defend its if nothing else against wild animals. You have to be able to do that. That requires a certain qualities particularly traditionally in men that is testosterone. That is aggression. That's like that's what you do to survive and to what we're saying this is getting off track here. But we're seeing our civilization really siphoning those qualities out of of men and they're siphoning other qualities of women as well but the fact is good and bad if we were to go back to that ancient period. Those people might be fooled into thinking that we've got it all figured out and we don't have it all figured out and so if we move ahead and we look at these other species he's that are out there that have abilities that we lack the real danger. Foolish danger is that people will think. Oh well yeah the they would have they have to because otherwise it would have destroyed us by now. Which is what you hear Stephen Greer saying and he's been saying forever you know we would know if they were aggressive live? They would have shown that to which I would certainly beg to differ. I don't think that's logical point whatsoever. There's lots of ways There's lots of reasons and that any life form should at least if not be mistrustful than at least be cautious when dealing with a new life form warm because the fact is I'm not a Utopian Maria list and what a realist says is that all life forms and all species have their own goals and it's not always win win by the way that's that's another bullshit ideology that we've taken on in last couple one hundred years in our society that Oh it's everyone can win all the time I would say win win happens. Sometimes it can happen and sometimes it doesn't happen. It all depends on circumstances so I don't know if these are evil or Some of them or if they're just following their own imperative for their own species and doing what they do do which might might damage our interests like that's totally possible. We'll let me jump over and play Devil's might help us and play the clip. But I would just say. I'm not confident that we have a whole lot of information on on the motivations of these being I've talked in depth David Jacobs of talked in depth to the love in light crowd as well and like everyone's got their own take on this and I'm not convinced vincit anyone really has nailed it fully so that I so that I sit back and think. Oh yes. This is. The person's got correct. Like I just. I haven't gotten to that point yet. I think David David Jacobs really interesting. Had Him on the show a couple times headed kind of threaded debate with him and Mary Rodwell. Who would kind of call more of the love and Law Mary? Well yes. Yeah and and But I I love respect. Marie Rodwell because I respect her methodology. Who Protocol seemed solid? She seems very aware of that. You know of how to do the good clinical practice in terms of hypnosis but Lee old by the firefighter turned himself. Blue on skype. Just got to say that was home but you just you just kinda run the numbers. What else can really save for me at the end of that? Is You know I thought Berry was making a really good case and David is making fairly good case to then I asked me and I said David is insist on one thing that it is a program and she paused goes well. Yeah Yeah it is a program like well what what do you mean. It's a program. There's gender there's an initiative they are trying to accomplish something. I don't see how that it fits with your overall narrative. But let me digress further because out front with with Ray Hernandez the beyond UFO People they wrote that book and Edgar the Foundation Guy Super Nice Guy and the one thing that Raya has at this point is he has data and and you can not like his data or you can argue with the methods of his life that he used for collecting that data. And yes so I I would just say yes yes from but I know it sure. I'm not sure you'd think you'd have to really drill into that. You know he his now partner with Dr Jeffrey. Long whose radiation colleges from Louisiana who has compiled the largest largest database of near death experience and having spoken with Jeff New York Times bestselling author in very accomplished scientific tiffin researcher. A lot of people Kind of have negative things disparaging things to say about those surveys. But they don't do it in a very scientific wave at their criticism is not scientific because I always remind people that you know if you WanNa talk about pain research. It's experiential if you want to Chuck About Depression Research Grief Research. We have a pretty understood methodology for collecting organizing experience. So you look at the way that ray did it. I don't find a lot of holes in his methodology is his data set as complete as it needs to be our are people being left out of the conversation. That would add a different flavor to it. I I think that is possibly true. And I've been very direct and telling ray that they they don't wind up on the wrong side of this pushing your agenda too far but and there is a definite agenda. That's being pushed on that that book which I I'm uncomfortable with I I don't I don't think I think you'd have to back that up. I think you'd have to back that up accord that at the idea that there's an agenda because what they would say is that the agenda and and Durant Cameron's right there with them right. I mean he is partly private he would say that the agenda if you will fell out of the data now I know that to be true of the near death experience research and Jeez like say please I up too. Many interviews with trusted academic. Peer reviewed scholars has been over two hundred period papers under death experience. And I get the same bullshit from skeptics all the time they just don't know the data they don't know the methodology they don't know the researchers and then they say oh that's a trend agenda driven and I'm like who has the agenda. Not these guys know right now. I want to jump in and so I I actually agree with that last date when you're making I think skeptics are way way They they they're funny because they don't realize how ignorant they are a minority critique. I think beyond you those has a lot of does have merit to it. So I don't WanNa just dismiss the whole thing but what I don't like about it is. This is my understanding. Maybe you can correct me and I have not spoken with ray so I'll just say that but That it was self reported experiences and without without any real investigation. So you and I both both. I have spoken with countless people who've volunteered their experiences to me and told me their story. And I'll just tell you like on a personal level. A lot of those people all seem very credible to me and a lot of them do not seem credible to me. A lot of them do not seem credible to me and a lot of them frankly mentally unstable and mentally ill hill and this is something no one ever talks about. But it's definitely a reality and the other thing is a lot of it is very ideologically driven. And I guess I'll just say like new age ideology so A huge from what I could gather a significant portion of the respondents to that survey and I don't not perfect but they seem to be from basically southern California. AB SEDONA a very like new age. Cultural Centers enters now. I know that's not entirely true. And and I don't know what the numbers are but it strikes me as very high percentage so you've got a very strong ideological theological component already going into that. Where all of those people probably almost every last one of them will say yeah? Our space brothers are galactic. Federation are here to help us. I have a nice collection the little bit that I've that I've looked into his research and spoken with Ray a couple times and again I pretty pretty well versed in how how this research works. Nothing I have to do kind of dispel the notion that if you do the survey right that shouldn't come into play so we can then look at the methodology dodgy that they use in say hey. Their methodology failed in this respect. Like you're saying the sample size was not big enough. The sample size was skewed or biased. In this way or that way but there's ways to get around that there's ways to control that because they do it all the time like I'm saying if you're doing research on pain you're asking people the same questions we rely on that we have a method that of doing it see now in the people. He's had on board. Who helped him? Dr Leo Sprinkled Dr Rudi Shields Harvard as he has a panel of very smart people that yeah they're good people and again like gone over this a million times like in parapsychology research. Remember Rupert Sheldrick a biologist Cambridge. And you know He. He's all this research and then the skeptics. And then you talked to Rupert. And he's pretty calm guy but then when you really get Wanda pieces. You don't think I thought about that the first five minutes after I thought of this thing about. How am Mike Control for sample size? How am I going to control for you? Know being skewed this way or that way so people who know how to do this do it correctly so the question would be someone needs to dig begin to that and say here are the faults I see in the methodology and I just throw one other thing. It's like people say you can't do online surveys. Well there's been all sorts of published. I work that suggest that online service are no less reliable than in person surveys depending on the subject and by the way I guess we should just tell people I'm I'm sure. Many listeners are aware but the study essentially concludes that the vast majority of of What we may call alien encounters are very positive? Very Benign. And I think it's like eighty percent or more are very positive Write something by the by the respondents and something like five thousand individuals I think. gave their Data on this. So it's a it's a fairly large survey and and I don't think that you can't I do online surveys. I don't think that that's necessarily the case but for something like et experiences. I would be a little careful when I talked with David. Jacobs for example. How about this so as you might imagine David this would roll his eyes at that thing got? They've got it all wrong but his reasoning is as such a he would say because when you're dealing with these beings they deal in deception and he said when I when I put someone through a non-aggression I've gotta go several times with them. I've got to go deep until I can expect to actually reach something passed all the mental shielding. That's there now you you can take what he says and say. Well you're just that's just your way of of peeling away whatever to get to your preconceived notion of what what that it is Who knows what is true here? I don't I don't really know but I have. I don't know how much stock doc I put in that that that free study beyond. UFO's I'm just not sure it does strike me as a bit strident. I have I have to say like the way they come from across ray can come across as strident and I think I've said the personnel. Say It on the year. I don't think that helps him or helps what what he's trying to do. He's been like evangelistic for his Choubey about that. He should be about the data and Anisimov near death. Experience Science has advanced because it's always is about the data and you take criticisms of the data to heart and you make the data stronger and stronger and I think you'll see that in the future. It is a first step and they do have to say you know the other thing if you drill into the data which is always what I do with with Ray when I talk my said Ray. Yeah but you got my you got fifteen or at the forget what it is. I think by my count was above twenty percent. You got my lamp what the F. is a my is my lab doing in their this. If this God you're going to be in your near death breath a. in your near death. Experience Life for view when E. T. has to go through their life review. What are they going to say about that mile and experience what do they say about the Reptilians? Raping raping. You know some some woman. What are they going to say about that? What does he look like in their life review? I think that that that data is out there and I I agree with you to the respect that I that data doesn't come through enough in raise work. It is worrisome to me that data has to be in there because we we do understand that to be part of this experience I was yes. I agree I'm glad you mentioned that I think that the whole good versus bad. Et Thing AB- job. A lot of it has guided by our almost say our our political orientation liberal conservative. I mean it's almost that simple. I think people who are by their natural natural personality would consider themselves very liberal are much more likely in my experience in looking at this for twenty years To look at these beings as part. Have you know the galactic community and and as good and these are the people who are I find more likely to interpret their telepathic downloads downloads. As a positive experience and so on and I think those who are more inclined to interpret this phenomenon in a as an adversarial sir negative way tend to be a little bit more conservative in their overall orientation. That's my own observation. I know there's exceptions. And the other. The other thing that to distinguish is physical versus non physical contact so when people tell me that they get a download or they have a non physical encounter. I don't I don't always dismiss miss it but you've got to really bring me some reason to believe whereas opposed to people to talk about physical encounters. I'm much more interested in those and when you look look at the physical encounters that we you know see. I'm not biased. I'm not sure about your bias there. Richard Dude you're to go back dry flickering lights I mean I've heard this thing over and over again. That is a non physical interface. And you got me. You got me there. I'm going to admit at that But it is a bias. My bias is towards physical material encounters. I'M NOT GONNA deny that. So maybe that's something I'll have to keep working on admitting that here but But I'm also say that a lot of people who have come to me with encounter stories. I guess all I would say is they're not they're not always credible people and it's not something that people ever like. We don't like to discuss this in this field. We don't like to talk about the fact. There's a lot of seriously damaged individuals. I hate to say this but there are a lot of damage people who are drawn to this field sometimes sometimes because they've had experiences but sometimes though because they're damaged and like it's hard to distinguish what what is what and and I don't know relevant able to figure it out but so I have. I have sympathy. I have I have compassion for all of those people people because you can tell. They're in pain but beyond that. I have to try to get to like what is true. And I don't I don't know how to get to the truth of some of those stories. Went back in the days on a new Budd Hopkins. I was at his place once and he showed me all of his collection of photographs of scoop marks in Mark Body marks and all of that he had a huge collection of that But was all about getting physical evidence and to whatever extent possible even even though he did hypnotic regression that was his his production. And that's that remains mind because it it's it's it's something that I I guess. I say I know how to do like I know how to deal with. The physical world said all of that. I've been struggling ogling for the last decade or more trying to incorporate a true understanding of consciousness into my understanding of Ufology of of the world itself so I'm open to it I don't throw it out but I try to. I try to treat it carefully. I don't I'm not someone who's ever just going to embrace it because it seems like a good idea. We've we have to find out a way to be. I don't know how to be evidence based with some of this conscious. TANKA evidence Maybe what raise onto onto a good idea like you get you do survey and you get as many people as you can get but are all you're doing is just getting social social prejudices and social ideologies instead like is that all you're getting and I I suspect that you a lot of it is what what is getting that is getting people offering an ideological take on maybe an interesting dream experience. It's like something that might not be considered very strong. Evidence is being considered evidence in some of these accounts. Do you think that's that's an unreasonable objection action or will to that. You Know I. I guess I'd go back rewind it a little bit back to what you said is we need somebody. We need both sides. We need somebody WHO's out there willing to collect the evidence the best we can because you know the thing about the God thing the Angel Angel thing with Chris Bledsoe or the God thing that that Grant Cameron mentions which is really I think punt when I say in I agree with you. You know. Say Well there's no oh good or evil and you know Look at Michael Newton in between lives and it all works out and we're here for a purpose. It's like a need something more than that. Buddy you're going to have to explain Elaine. The rape and torture of lifts riots system at. You'RE GONNA explain it to me Allan Your parent the kid's parent. Yeah tell that to tell yourself self if you are a parent till yourself. If you're a victim if you have been perp th this has been portrayed on you don't we need to hear respect your story and we don't need to take it and then you know turn it into something that we imagine it to be inside of our thing but I gotta say like I think a lot of those people I don't know about grant in particular And he is my friend but I think a a large number of those people who have that opinion I really wonder how how much of of the world they rix experienced. I truly wonder like have. They really experienced truly evil people. There's a lot of folks in this World Lula very insulated late lights and they. They live in their kind of bubble so I'm not inclined. You know yes. I understand in the greater greater philosophical. You step take ten steps back. You can see the big picture. There's no good. There's no evil okay. You can make that argument but in our world I I think there's definitely good in. There has definitely evil but it does get complicated. I mean that's why it's so interesting and I think it's more than just fun. It's it's important to kind of switch back to the Chris bledsoe story right and say here's someone who's run the gauntlet done all the right stuff in terms of trying to understand his experience and seems to genuinely have come to the conclusion that is unfortunately for you very much in line with what raise saying because that is kind of. That's true split so story. It Chris. bledsoe story is repeated over and over again in in raise research. which is I was traumatized by this? I thought it was the worst thing in the world and over time I came. I came to understand it. As part of my path. Part of my spiritual awakening in part of my spiritual journey and that opens us up like T- to you and to me. It opens us up to all sorts of abuse. We've heard that over and over again from every guy who spinning some culture new age religion or even old world religion as a means to get us in the nipple latest in control us but at the same time I think we have to remain open to the possibility that there may be some fundamental truth truth to that. And that's why I've been so interested in the near death experience. Because it does you know just to recap people listen to show for this like a thousand times but the brain is out of the equation. The near death experience experience science has brought us to the point where we can say that we have resuscitation studies. We have studies as of people who are under extreme anesthesia and cardiac res- We know that the brain is out of the equation there and now. These people are having these kind of encounters hounours in experiences. That had this overlap with the experience. But also have this transcendent Chris. bledsoe Angel God kind of thing going onto so we're kind of stuck with having to deal with both and I love right bit. You're driving a stake in the ground on one hand and saying I do have to hold the Dolan Line of evidence and at the other end. You're still doing these fricken of using you're going to do part. Is Chris Bledsoe. That's awesome awesome is totally true. And you know it's funny is when I said a little while ago like there's good and there's evil I I realize like I better be careful with that. That's that can be a very. I mean I'm realizing I've contracted myself probably about countless times in this interview already and and by stating that there's absolute good and evil. Well actually. I didn't say that I said there's relative good and evil but I still have to be very careful about that because when you think about international relations for example which is a very big interest of mine You want to be rarely careful when you start equating inches of one nation with good and another Asian nation with evil. That's a really bad mistake to make So I don't like to make that mistake so I just I think on a personal level there are evil things that are done on their good things that are done and I I would maintain that but we do have to be careful. I don't like this is why I don't like zealots and I doc fanatics of almost any sort. They scare me by the way. I think we're living in error where people have really becoming zealots in all different ways and I think it's by design I. I think they're th that's not to get political because I don't play that but I think that's the role of Donald trump that's what I think. Donald trump you how India and so people have come out and said this is an original but I think both those candidates were suitable to a certain group that cares about that that stuff at trump and Hillary I think trump and hillary were acceptable to a certain ruling class. That is the Techno Techno New World Order Banking Finance Intelligence. Stuff that I don't fully understand but seems to always be in play whether it's nine eleven or whatever it is but I think that one advantage of trump for that certain class above the classes is did it created an incredible divisiveness so that people don't think about the fact that the Patriot Act was rubber stamped at the same time they redoing the charade about impeachment or the rest of this divisiveness is a good tool. If you were playing the game if you're China and I'm getting into this political rant but I just never do but no I think you've up some good points. I have a different take on trump than you do but I do believe absolutely That the divisiveness is something. That's that's definitely played up. And this is something by the way that the United States intelligence community is the master of doing doing around the world but through of coal color revolutions. And what we're now seeing that that model is almost being is being brought back to the United States way of emphasizing cultural or linguistic Or biological differences to divide people. So that's definitely happening Yeah I look at trump a little differently than Some my very like left-leaning friends look at him but I I don. I mean he's not Jesus and he's not Hitler two point. Oh I don't either of those extremes he's He's a self-serving politician Titian who probably didn't even expect to run for president. Like I think I think he did it from from two sources He did it basically to increase his brand and his personal brand. But I actually don't believe that he was the tool of Of the elites. I think that would for the Republican Party. I would thought Jeb Bush would have been much more amenable. I mean the kind of a straight up NEO conned globalist type of model which grew America's had for For many many generations Democrat and Republican both fulfilled that and trump kind of didn't as a candidate he was actually. He wasn't a candidate he is truly outside or just a tiny bit further down. We're going to wrap it up because you've been super generous with your time but final political political analyst and you one thing I've always kind of thrown out there is that I think we we can go down the wrong path if we understand hand these maneuvers as being proactive versus reactive in lot of cases. So it's not like somebody's working. This is my take. I want to give in your opinion of it. It's not like someone who's running grand chessboard. It's more like they're letting the game kind of play out a little bit here going. Oh what's our next move from here. They're like jumping into somebody else's game that plays out in the same thing like you mentioned that the very beginning the show disclosure. They don't know which way disclosures they don't know if calmed along it's going to hit but once it does. What do we do with this? Oh what we can do this with it. We can do that with I. Don't I agree with you. I think that's right. I think there's a lot of reactivity I'm glad you brought this up I don't I don't believe that I don't think there's like a fifty year plan on this. I don't think there's even a ten year plan on this but I do think that they're contingencies. That are in place And for example in terms of disclosure what I would I would argue. I've been saying this for awhile now. especially like the last six months where my take on this Israeli crystallize a little bit more. I think what we're seeing factions within the elite groups so there is probably disclosure friendly faction and there's definitely disclosure unfriendly faction and I think that is caught like the right in there in the midst of that. They've got a couple of people on their side within extend the deep state that are helping and they had enemies. They've got that lots of enemies in there as well think of it this way like they. We know that there's at least six not just three videos. But at least six videos and probably more and they know about that. They have not been able to get all those other ones declassified. They got three declassified a couple of years ago and that's it have gotten nothing ever since and and it seems Lozada. Got A lot of that stuff released through Somewhat deceptive means John Greenwald Done some research search on this and uses that to criticize Alesando from some of these emails. Twenty seventeen what I would say is l.. LASAGNA was just being little weasel. Wording with what the videos were not describing them as UFO's or you AP in order to get them cleared I think the people in the Pentagon clear them probably didn't fully realize that's what they were clearing and so then they were cleared. The damage was done. They weren't supposed to be cleared That I give him credit for frankly regular. I think that's a kind of a smooth move but I don't think that's going to happen anymore so I think the GIG is up for them and I don't think they're going to get anything else cleared but But as I think they're fighting their own game here and I don't it's not a I don't care how many times some random hole you you just laid you just laid an awesome classic Little Dolan factoid. There that fits into the puzzle in kind of turns it in a way and I commend menu for that. But you know come on Richard. It is all a sigh up. It's just all why because he eagles gave a presentation. It all depends on what you define sigh up because we had this like pre interview. This is a good brown double come full circle. We had this this pre interview thing. And you're like hey amen. Alex don't push that Siamese narrative on the it just doesn't fit in this case which I love I love the pushback from from somebody. Then then you've got at least point point. Here's my point then. I listened to your disclosure presentation in Copenhagen and Komo No. We don't an iron the total on the same page in this. You know this is manipulated. This is done for a purpose this per purposely done to get at this reaction now so it all comes down to what you define as a sigh up and I think you put it in in very stark terms. At the beginning we were opposed democracy. post-constitution hose constitution. Well Shit in that now that everything is a sigh up as a means to control manipulate something so it really. Yeah okay so I I guess yes to that But who's Scwhab so is is T-. TSA DOING A sigh up. Do we just want to call it a sigh up if we do. Then we're we're kind of losing the meaning of the of the word. They've got their own spin. Yes Peterloo VENDA. Pewter VENDA PSI OPS I op Ziya why like why because I know Peter I spent years. I don't know Peter Directly into me. He's kind kind of come out as saying lifelong player. Lifelong spook associated with that an historic. Just doesn't wash his idea of you. Know that the whole thing of I I met Tom Delong didn't know as him. And we got together and said we have to blow the LID off. This is the only place we can go as the CIA. It just. It just doesn't ring true. But I digress there because you you don't have to agree with that. No one has to agree with that. Just sounds very very suspicious. Well okay but would no one has ever done the only thesis I've ever heard from anyone who says that this is science particularly in intelligence community. Sigh up is For for the reason of amplifying fear I talking about a threat a threat from the AP L. Does say that quite a lot. I love that word threat it on the TV show on identified. He loves or potential threat. He does it all the time Pentagon and so that the idea is that they're using this threat narrative to to frighten the public and take your pick increase defense spending for what to protect against aliens or to Do the UFO NFO alien reveal and scare the shit out of people so that they come running to the state for really. That's basically the ceases and I just I'm not persuaded by that at all. Not even remotely. When Ellison does talking about a threat I feel like I'm reading my first two volumes of UFO's and national security state the exact? Same what did I do in those books. I I focused on military encounters with unknown objects. That were indeed seen as a potential threat when you have unknown objects hanging out over sensitive nuclear installations installations that are not supposed to be there. Were aircraft go to intercept and they zip often. Do think well hell what's supposed to be like any reasonable person. Person Responsible for air defense will have to consider that at least a potential threat. The reason I focused on those in my books is for for several reasons one because they have the paper trail which is important to they prove the. US government's lying about his lack of interest in UFO's but three the fact that you've you've got these military encounters it's also shaking the public in getting their attentions like you're not even looking at UFO's you don't shit about you of those you're not talking about it but take a look. Your military is being baffled by these again and again so I don't think it's an illegitimate approach I I do think thank you can overplay it absolutely but but might take on why they bring up the threat. They're they are you're desperate. Tedious is at a point of desperation right now. People don't even see this all right. They can't get Congress to do inquiries they had. They had a congressional briefing. Well that's good but they haven't gone any further as far as anyone can tell they're not getting a little bit of press. Follow up some mm trump White House doing squad. As far as we know you can see like these guys are doing everything they can do to say. Hey pay attention. We've got the threat here which okay. Maybe it's a tactic. It's not an little battle. It's absolutely is it a sigh. CYA I don't I think if someone's going to argue that what he's doing is a sign that they have got to come up with a better argument than what I've heard so far like One one the volume but when you're turning up the volume on the threat man. You're turning up the volume on on the global issue. which is the other card? They're playing you know we can call it different terms but number one. It's political like you just said anyone who doesn't see it as a political thing. It is political. There's this guy who sits in the White House right now and I can't get over when I hear these conversations and no one ever. You're talking about trump. I'm not saying I'm pro-trump or against trump but you can't have this conversation and not talk like there isn't another side to this. There isn't another other group you know and often. That's kind of conversation like we're just GonNa Kinda carry on like what's so number one. That's it so the globalization thing and the threat thing to me. You're when you're turning up the volume on those you're playing Cya. I mean it depends on how you WANNA define a sigh up is to me a Cya. Diane is explicitly something that I would associate with the intelligence community manipulating public opinion. Through the media for particular end or goal that's classically you know M- operation mocking birds are on all of its decades of operation and Media Control which we all. Yeah no is is reality. A those are PSI. Ops Science can be done against domestic populations it can be done against foreign populations. It's a form of hybrid warfare which the US loves to say that the Russians are masters APP at the US. itself is the master of hybrid warfare. So I look at t t essays Operation Kasei on someone's GonNa have to provide some reasonable evidence more than the fact of saying will. Some of these people are like. That's sorry sorry like that's a weak argument. That's a weak argument. We're at a point in in our world That I it's disturbing to me that it's it's almost like postmodernism has invaded ufology to this extent where we are now. Aw arguing over. Someone's Bona Fides. And what we think they mean rather than listening to the damn words that are coming out of their mouth like where. I don't. Don't find a lot of people listening to very smart articles by Chris. Melon for example that he's had on the hill side and other places on their website in fact the not as a site. He's put some very interesting information on there instead. What people are doing is they're they think? They're smart enough to analyze behind his words into into his true motivations. Whatever they think that those are that's postmodern in my view that's like taking critical analysis to such an extreme that you're actually not listening to the other person what they're actually saying to me? Most important thing is actually listening to what is being said and to listening to what the information has has being provided as vastly more important than all these people who think Oh. Yeah I know what. They're trying to do like stop that. Stop Embarrassing Yourself. And it's not embarrassed the rest of us by thinking you know what everyone's motivation is and just listen to what they have provided for the past two. Whatever years is a Shitload of information that no one else has put out there yet? That's the fact they they and they alone are responsible for nearly all of the navy's admissions. They've been pushing that they are responsible for like all those New York Times pieces that yes in times is the mouthpiece of the establishment but the fact is when the New York Times publishes halfway decent articles articles on. UFO's which they did last May in two thousand nineteen on the USS Roosevelt. That was actually that was decent piece of journalism at Leslie Ellen. Cooper and Ralph Blumenthal did that's TSA getting that information out there like they are intimately involved in that so those are significant things that they have done. And it I find it disheartening. Like the day's GonNa come when they're gone they don't exist and and they broken up and and we're going to look back while we treated them really shitty they were out there working and trying to move the ball a little bit downfield. That's what I think's going to happen. You know that's an awesome take and I'm GonNa wrap things up here but I wanNA draw people's attention to again the the if you're interested in that last part of this discussion the presentation you did on Copen in Copenhagen because you lay out in a very rich tone systematic way one. After another in one little thing I was GonNa pick up on his you trace document and support the idea that that was the beginning of the disclosure movement movement. And then I think you you grow in a very. Everyone stops the New York Times like I do. I stop at The New York Times if you go no wait. That's that's the beginning. Then look at it. Wolpe look at the next article that Leslie Leslie came publishes look at this. Look at this one very Y- you can't argue with that because you do a great job of laying. Let me say. This is me contradicting myself again. I I mean I said we're not in a disclosure era because it's not a government promoted thing but I'll share with you something that put off said to me in an email Earlier this year and you you know he Talk talking about. I'm trying to remember exactly what I asked him. Oh this is in connection to the Wilson League but he used the phrase with me says Yep. It's just more toothpaste out of the tube. And I've been using that phrase for this year It's a really apropos. PROPO- statement it. What's happening is with disclosure With with the disclosures of these various things that have been happening. It's more toothpaste is out of the tube. It's not going back in and so now we're at a point where there's a bit of momentum for the first time in our lifetimes for the UFO subject actually to get a little bit more and better coverage in our official mainstream yes totally corrupt corporate dominated media but nonetheless it's getting more coverage that's very significant so The question when you're seeing like there's media people I mean. Some people have very strong opinions about Fox but there's Tucker Carlson who's actually doing superb journalism on Ufo F. O.. Compared with any other person the mainstream like this guy seriously had said some courageous things about this and he's done some good work on this so there is definitely momentum. happening the only question is how far will it go the problem that I just see here. Is I like the the analogy of the irresistible force versus the immovable object so the disclosure movement is is possibly becoming irresistible force but secrecy is at immovable object. And and one thing you learn when you study the Eric Davis Notes on Emerald the Admiral Wilson interview is is just how deep how privatize and how deep and how secret a lot of this. Uso secret is and how difficult it will be to get this. They pulled out into the light of day. I don't know how that's going to work out. You know delong last summer dropped a couple of interesting tweets about this and people love to laugh and dismisses guy but he said a couple of smart things and one of the things had to do with You said you think tip was though the whole programs and think again again we're not talking tens of millions as try hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm guessing it's more than that. But the other thing he said is if you really want to end this secrecy take you need a fundamental legal revolution. I think that's right like the legality of this illegal business has has got to change some out and how to change it like this is a serious issue like the only thing that I can see is when enough people when the culture changes like. They only way it's going to happen is if the culture changes sufficiently so that enough people realize like this is really important. Gordon we gotta do something and and then when a lot more brains than ours are looking at this talking about out this and there's actual pressure to open this up and then and only then in maybe only then will we have a chance that my big when with Bryce road after disclosure a decade ago was. I thought something big could happen. Even we're in an unstable civilization where there's wikileaks and there's all these other leads in all these everyone's got a camcorder or their phones got video and like I envisioned like like there could be a big event that would happen that would cause like an avalanche and that avalanche hasn't happened. What we are seeing though is drip drip drip drip drip and it's becoming significant and I'm waiting for that avalanche like I think that's still likely Egli when we get to a certain critical mass? I don't know what that critical mass is. I don't know how that will be. That is such an awesomely really nuanced response. It is like I've said throughout this interview that is that is classic Richard Dolan. I don't know if you've totally picked me up and turn around but you kind of maybe turn me around a little bit of a few things as well unconscious this. It's like a really fun. Little Intellectual Wrestling Sling Mash. That we just had here and I know wrestling with human. You're the you're the you're the boss. The boss Jujitsu Dojo master. You and you're doing you know I mentioned this. Maybe in the pre interview role. I'm Richard Dolan number. It's like one of the best values out there for anyone is interested in this stop because you produce so much great content and so much you give away for free but there's also stopped its hind wall as it should be it. Can you tell people a little bit about what you do. And respect and stuff. That's coming up for for you that that maybe people should have an lookout for you. Bet absolutely thank you and thank you for saying what you did about my site that Tracy and I run that and it's a lot of work but I've decided to look if I want to devote my my life to this type of thing that I do. I have to figure out a way to make it work so I can't trust youtube because that's the hammers. Definitely coming down on Youtube in every every way So what I've decided is I mean I sell some books I write books would sell those but I created this website. Richard L. A. members where it's true true I put I put a tremendous amount of content out there for people who want to go to the site and people can complain. Why are you know you're trying to make money and I'm like yes? I am trying to make money like we're not twelve years old like the people who say Oh my God so was trying to make money out of out of this field like are you a child like what do you thank people do to live. I never ceases to amaze me so I got the white people put it in. It's really true. It's the value for value exchange exactly needle valuable. And what else are you spending your money on. And you know ways we're all becoming used. He used to it more right. So we pay for Netflix. And then we're already paid for extent really have to pay for. ESPN plus will yes you have to pay for ESPN plus and that's just the way it is. I don't have I I agree. I think it's it's a childish complaint and when you look at the numbers I mean The getting getting rich. I mean you know now. China is getting rich but Trent Dolan's not making millions of dollars for this he's just hopefully were. Were supporting him to continue to do. Who else is going to do this? Research Okay Sir. Thank you It's allows me to live in an I'm happy it works so this is a model and a system that is working for me for now but in terms of what I'm working working on In addition to the content for my site which I'm very committed to doing I had a couple of I guess it went in a couple of different directions over the last few years that I've I think I've sorted out finally so oh I thought I was going to do a whole false flag book. That was my big big thing for a while and that can still happen. Frankly I've tremendous research on history false flags that I can and and probably will turn into a book but I decided I maybe a year ago that I was going back fulltime into UFO's and and that means the third volume of UFO's and the national security state which is a dreaded project. That's been hanging over my head for a while. But I feel like I can do it now and The only other thing. Pardon me the only thing that might get in the way of it is if I do a quick ask little hundred and fifty page book on the last two. Three years of UFOLOGY UFOLOGY turned upside down which to me is fascinating story but it may incorporate that into volume three of national security state. But that that's what I'm working on. I have just reorganized my main office which was an absolute absolute state of disaster for the last year and a half and I can work there and I can actually get some writing done. So That's my goal for twenty twenty s to focus as much my writing as I can. The problem is frankly The problem is not a problem like people invite me to speak various places and do various things and I enjoy joy those but those take time out of my work and it's it's hard I've actually. I've been turning a lot of events down because I have to stay home and got to be able to focus on my writing and my work so I'm doing some travel but hopefully not not as much as I've done in the past. Well we're counting on you to get in that office. Crank it out like only you could do it. Richard Spent an absolute delight. Pleasure so much. Thank you so much for joining me and spending so so much time with us and we'll stay in touch. I would do this again just Felino. I've enjoyed this Very much great conversation. So thank you for having me on Alex. Thanks again to Richard Dolan for joining me on skeptical but great guest. What an open and welcoming guy for someone who has done all he has has done inside of this field? It's just amazing to talk to him. So one question I'd have to T- up from this interview is toothpaste is toothpaste. Good or is tooth base. Pat Good remember from this interview. Richards point I think if I got it right was squeezing that. UFO disclosure disclosure. Toothpaste out of the tube is probably a good thing. And maybe we shouldn't come down so hard on those who are trying to to do it or maybe we should consider all the aspects of what they're doing before we criticize them as I subtypes said you'd like to tee up that question with me and other folks who listen to this show please join is over on the skeptical form which you can find all our showers showers there and you can talk to everybody about them and you can also go to skeptical website of course and download any of these shows for free now. ADS are firewalls. And you're free to share them around and redistribute them. 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Boomer & Gio

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Podcast (11/08/19)

"Live from the Investors Bank studio boomer. Size Greg G. and ninety boomer and Geo on the van simulcasts across the country. CBS Sports Network Football Friday morning week. Ten in the NFL. Some good games to talk about today but the one locally not worse game worst game of the week maybe the worst game of the year businesses like dolphins redskins territory with the jets and giants combined. Three Rian fourteen to fan bases. You can't stand their teams right now to fan bases. You can't stand their coach right now. They meet together editor at Metlife Stadium. This E who is worse will it be Adam Gates and the New York jets continue to spiral downward into the depths of NFL. Hell for is it Pat Shurmur and his New York giants that are on a losing streak right now five in a row and looked destined brain other the top five or six pick. Pay At least Jamal. Adams cleared the air with Joe. Douglas like six months later and he said that he was placed in New New York. By who or what. I don't know footfall God's maybe to win a championship ear so there you have jet fans as you wake up on Friday morning getting ready for jets giants with your team being one of the worst in the NFL. Jamal Adams was placed in New York to win a super bowl for the jets. At some point you'll see good morning morning boomer. Our you doing great man and hopefully it works out for Mogae. Oh and I think it sounds like you'll end up getting a new contract out of all of this. Probably good for him you know. Maybe they sat him down and said look man and we want you here. We're going to show you the money and we're going to go. We're going to go forward together because you're the type of part of that we want here. I'm sure that's all the things that he had heard but it just signaling tidbit an interesting tip. They came out of that potential trade without cowboys. The jets wanted Zack. Martin and return Yeah exactly how did you know that you were involved in the trade deal with the potential to go to the jets and goes. I'm glad I didn't glad that it didn't get pulled off off. Yeah well imagine going from that team. That's GONNA showering throwing chum the other way now. Yeah why not hate about fair play when it comes to stuff like this now both of these guys I did not get traded. And that's the thing that Jamal Adams has understand is the fact that he is here and his team didn't train them and if he finally got there that's great and if he feels more more comfortable about being a New York jet going forward that's great but took a little bit of time for him to go and find out talking to general manager. But I don't know he's still he's saying some stuff still all that to me is like mind blowing like this whole. I was placed here to finish what my dad did win a championship in New York and has come on man like I got an off with teams one in having ebbing you're not some sort of NFL profit. You know like just enough I if he was a guy and I understand. He's a really really good player. And I don't believe that the jets should trade trade him. They're going to build around them and that's great but I mean he's just got to tone it down a little bit with this. I'm Tom Brady. I'm Aaron Donald. I'm getting placed on rosters to bring Super Bowl. uh-huh yeah come back to the confident young men. There's no question about that but I thought you would definitely gonNA open with your next goat porzingus tonight tonight but I did that yesterday yesterday. Today is that is the game tonight. We'll see PORZINGAS. And according to all the reports out of Dallas Sir Porzingas is not gotten off the Schneide so to speak. He hasn't played as well as they were hoping. And you know tonight you know. Tonight's could be a thirty point night. It's it's going to be one of those daggers. For the next I wonder when Scott Perry and and and Steve Mills but also Jim Dolan take take a look at this and if this continues to go south the way it is sooner or later the you know you have an eighty two game season here and this season is fast going. Going by the wayside is is off the rails. It'll be wearing probably. And that's why the coaches embattled so I just wonder how long continue to allow this to go on the way it is. I it's usually in baseball and basketball and hockey for you. Know a lot of a lot of places the season season so long you can turn your season around like the blues did last year. They turn their season around and they ended up winning the Stanley Cup. So it's like how much more do you have to watch off the same thing to realize that it's not getting better. Yeah I don't know if there's anything to gain from Canning David Fidel this early if you believe that RJ Barrett and Kevin Knox and those guys aren't developing properly under the tutelage of David Fist. I guess that would be the one reason to move von but this early right now I mean you start to think about it but I don't think it's a realistic possibility. Plus I mean you go in term coach for the rest of the way. Then you gotta start. The process says up at the end of the year and the expectations for this team We know we're in the playoffs. They were to compete and get somewhere between twenty five and thirty five. I win somewhere in there and it doesn't seem like they're anywhere close to that but this is not like a team that went into the season where they said. Hey we better be foresee this year and if not things are going to change the coaches under fire that way. Nothing has worked out the way that they wanted to. You know everybody thought is going to be able to get you know Kevin Durant here and everything else. Also the moment that Kevin Durant durant rolled up his Achilles. It was over and the car. He decided that he wanted to go to the nets because he was happier there and also the stuff and Fidel became like what I don't know why he's here like that's why he was supposed to be. He was supposed to be buddies with all of these guys and was supposed to attract them. It was supposed to help free free agency. And and now that it didn't happen he got a roster valise in professional basketball players. A core of young talent that it was up to him to develop and so far. It's been a massive failure. It has been a massive failure for sure. And I'm just wondering. How long do they add? Enough heard Williams is available. But I don't know how long they put up with this. Yeah I mean if continues to get this one in fifteen one and sixteen you know then. Yeah I mean you start thinking about it. You have to remember that. What was it three weeks ago when the fans chanting for Frank Frank we want frank? We one frank in relation to Dennis Smith Junior now Dennis Smith Junior. I think is going to be back with the team but probably not gonNA play tonight. I think he's not lanes and now the last home game against Sacramento was fire Fizz Fizz. Starting you know what starting that's why the word is embattled. That's that's why you watch tonight and it's going to be interesting to see how how the Knicks I mean. Do we really think they're gonNA win the night no of course not no absolutely not down into the number the number. Maybe you can influence it again. Influence spread again. I mean you you called it one hundred percent with the Yeah with the Pistons whereas that wasn't even close and you know the Pistons were missing three daughters. Yeah I know. Let's let's see here now. I just went I saw. I went to the wrong thing. So the line for tonight with the Knicks going to Dallas KRISTAPS porzingis revenge. Game the Jaanus Porzingis revenge game in mark. uh-huh Mark Berman. wrote a whole big thing in post this morning about it. The other about the divorce honest and all of that. The line is the Knicks are a ten and a half point underdog Plus four fifty on the money line and it's minus six hundred so I I mean I don't know if you can even get a worse line than that right now. I I mean that's the biggest lie it's not quite the biggest line in basketball. The Golden State Warriors who they're going to Minnesota. That's a little bit of a bigger line but yeah I mean it has the potential to be really embarrassing for them. If porzingas plays as well as he's capable of it we like to trade. At the time I still like the trade kristaps porzingas he the fact that he was always injury prone and he became as it's detailed Yeoh in this article some of the stuff and there's even more stuff in there then. We talked about at the time he who is becoming a pain in the neck brother was a really been in the neck. Janas Porzingis is calling meetings. He's orchestrating him not having his exit interview. He's he's demanding trades and forcing telling the Knicks that these are the two places that I want to go apparently said I wanna go to either the clippers and the nets like the Knicks. We're GONNA TRADE KRISTAPS Porzingis to the nets. He was acting as if he was why Leonard he was. Lebron James He was James Harden one of the top three basketball kebab remember. Our athletes around here tend to inflate who they are clearly. Jamal Adams kristaps porzingis others. I mean it is. It's nuts that this guy thought that he could be one of these upper echelon. NBA Guides it could force themselves wherever you wanted to go when he had done nothing as a member of the Knicks had set. Get guys excited because you give you a couple of games here or there before getting her all the time at. Hss Tell you right now. You know it's one thing it's like it's production intolerence right and if the you're going to tolerate some of the nonsense if these goes out there and gives you seventy five games of high and basketball. You can't do that because he's injured and then he goes brother becoming a pain in the ass. It's like I don't know where these guys are coming from. That's why you have to move them out so I was. I was all all for that. But that doesn't mean tonight that he's not GonNa go off sure and one single game in the in the eighty two game season and it's a big game for Chris tops. Because he's going against the Knicks and you know that I know that it usually works out against us as it does now. I do think to the big problem for the Knicks with this deal was another reason why they made. It is clear that salary the Tim Hardaway Junior contract that allowed them to get the two Max slots and then we know how the off season went so didn't work not didn't work because you know you tweet it out the morning morning or the night of that trade we were down in Atlanta for Super Bowl. Week the Kyrie Irving Kevin Durant and Zion Williamson in Nick's journey. That's what it was supposed was to be about. So it doesn't mean that just because this off season didn't go that way stop. Porzingas should still be here. I mean you still have to rebuild a franchise at some point and they. They decided that it wasn't going to be around KRISTAPS Porzingis you know. It's it's interesting that all you have to do is look across the hallway at their our practice facility up there in Greenberg and you see guy by the name of Henrik Lundquist who turned who has turned back. The clock two nights in a row now and played on back to back games and I am last night was incredible. Had One of his greatest games that they were saying it after the game one of the greatest regular season games in history. Stop twenty two shots in the first first period period and then saw there were ninety shots towards him last night. Ninety shots towards the net. Could you imagine that an hour's worth of time. Now you're you're you're sliding back and forth you got pucks flying all over the place the only way to pucks actually got into the net or because of deflections one off of their own Guy Lia Sanderson and another one from Dougie Hamilton. Like twenty are twenty feet out in front of them which was unbelievable. He was amazing last night. And one thing I will say about about Henry He may be a here ranger fans saying well. That's our Eli Manning. Well you know. He's thirty seven years old but when he plays like he played last night in the way he played the other night against redwings. You're like Jesus God is he good and that and that is because this team was like stuck in mud for almost a half the game last night yeah load load management for Henrik right back. This was on the Max. Yeah I know but he didn't play for like ten days or more prior to that. Yeah he'd been out so I ourselves as val cat said last night you take the ice away from he's GonNa be ticked and he's GonNa WanNa go out there and play well and he was screaming at his players last night and I would would've been screaming at my players still going on out here but Yeah it was good one for the Rangers. That's out of their last four. Now good did you get into the Thursday night game I of course I did it was it was a good one. It was a good one and I actually. I had twenty seven. Twenty four raiders did you. I did and turned twenty six. Twenty four raiders and and It was it was an entertaining game. Philip rivers in the beginning was giving the ball away in the end to when they're too feel feel goal wins. The game throws another pick and the fourth honor. Believable yeah I mean He. He looked he looks old and he looked bad last night. Now I understand the data lead late in the game. Melvin Gordon in Austin they they just don't run the ball but he says it was. Just it's mind numbing to me and they fired Ken whisenhunt because they wanted to run the ball mourn and you thought that that they died. I do like there the fact that they play UPTEMPO offense and they're trying to use phillips experience. You know as a as a base of moving quickly and getting a lot of plays off but man that's th they don't run the ball enough. They got two really good running backs and last night they should have ran the ball. I I thought at least ten more times and he throws zoe ends up throwing three packs one you know. His tight end falls and slips. That happens it's not his fault but that it was just. It was a frustrating game from chargers standpoint but a good game for the raiders. Now four and one at home they are now five and four overall and they are right there on the right at the right in the mix. Maybe maybe the raiders are are or one of those teams that are gonNA come out of this and ended up being a playoff team. Yeah I would be a really good story with Philip rivers one of the things. We talked about ally. Manning was that was disappointing. The other guys in that draft class prior to this year Philip rivers and Ben Rothlisberger still playing an incredibly high level. Now and now you see you go into this year. Ben Has an elbow injury. He's out for the year and Philip Rivers. All of a sudden looks really washed. I mean he is it last tonight with and I know it's a Thursday night. Whatever on the road short week I was bad was Roy? Bag now is a bad performance by and it's one of these things are you start up to think now with him you know. Maybe it's maybe it's about time right. I don't know if it's time for to get an older quarterback Josh mcdaniels. So The raiders too. So you know the next two games there at home versus the bengals and they come to the jets. Oh It's a couple of wins for that so they're five and four right now. Oh Hey seven four Oakland GonNa play two of the worst teams the two worst teams in the League right now as we speak in back to back. Yeah that's right. Yeah Yeah Bengals jets man. They needed that one last night. And they got worse way Put themselves in a nice little spot there right and they they do. They have to play the chargers again. The Jaguars the broncos I mean it's Zych when you play within your division as we saw last night it's going to take every ounce of energy and effort to win the game especially because the chargers did you know theoretically have the chance to win the game last night before the interception but when you play at Denver you know those two teams can't stand each other that the chiefs I mean us so they still have some tough games. Yeah but that that means they have to take care of business the next two weeks for them and get them to seven and four which would be. I think a lot better than most people thought coming out hard hard knocks absolutely with the Antonio Brown non-somali looks like the best thing ever GonNa Happen to them. Right getting that distraction out of their focusing on the goal. Everybody coming together You see Antonio Antonio yesterday did you see his tweet I saw tweets. Yeah I mean so he's starts with this whole thing you know. Imagine letting the League control you Blah Blah Blah Blah a crazed raised like stream of consciousness Antonio Brown stuff directed at the NFL and then a couple hours later. Someone obviously gets him and says If you ever WanNa play again you might want to turn this thing around. He deletes that Tweeden goes obviously. I've been very frustrated about my situation here no Peru I've loved the NFL. And I'd really. I like to play again one day. I'm like I'll come. Hot is clearly Antonio Brown wrote the first week where he's he's but everybody up and down on twitter and then it comes back with obviously. I'm very frustrated with my current situation and the allegations against me supposedly. He's going to have a meeting with the NFL next week. And you know maybe somebody gets them for the last six or value. Probably five or six games I think of the NFL season somebody was talking about. Maybe the eagles would be desperate enough. They got so many injuries and obviously D.. Jacks out for the rest of the year. They have so many injuries there now. They went back to Jordan Mathews. Yeah that's how desperate they are. You're the third time he's been with them. Who knows if the NFL ends up? You know. Suspended him because of the personal combat. I remember the all the accusations around. Leshan McCoy McCoy about two years ago. Whatever it was that you here with me you were here? Of course yeah right so whatever happened to the nothing happened with them but also so that's the point that's going Antonio road like what are these again. They're accusations and I know that Lisa Frio and her group group over there at the. NFL are investigating all of this. The question is are they just accusations are they real. Why are they in civil court? Why aren't they in Criminal Court? That kind of thing I mean and he also called his general manager a cracker to his face. I mean there's other things that they could end up doing there but that's guys guys on menace the Guy Hi is a completely off the rails if the nfl his up there like when you play in the NFL yeah you have to be off the rails. He's exceptionally exceptionally off the reasons you've seen this look at him to not. He's a complete. There's a lot of nuts running around losing. He's the he's the king king of the nuts right now king. Not You know it. Don't even try to give me. The contrary guys tried to argue in his favor. I'm just trying to say that. He does have a point like he creates this firestorm himself. I I know that but think about how frustrating for him to be if you're if you're accused of something in civil court that's one thing I mean you're somebody's trying to extract money out of you in civil court is what they're doing. This is not in the court of like none of this is like. I don't see any. This is being criminal. But if he had kept his mouth shut in. Didn't send those threatening texts to they want accuser. He'd still be on the Patriots. It's all him la- Shawn McCoy didn't send in threatening text messages to the accuser that went public two minutes after this. The whole thing happened. It's all him you know if he had gotten continue the lawyers dealing with data. I'm here to play football and actually took the high road and didn't go. He's not taking the high road. He's one of those lately bananas but he's One of those guys is GonNa fight back even vigneault after right. After the fact he'll he'll feel a little bit of remorse but when he's in the midst of doing what he did yesterday. It's like another sign that and he's gone as a for sure but I I would be surprised if he's on a team in December remember in the NFL or or says if there's not a suspenseful offense there would not be surprised. I just I can't take anymore. Turns of that story is it is boomer and Geo on a week. Best Brother Doll Friday at you and talking to you. Tony Brown talking to Mike taught you bought the video. Yeah we bought the video we did. Yeah we bought the video. I've bought more of it than you did. Okay but we did by the congratulate you on a great career for being number one for so long see you see. That's what I call an olive branch. Oh yeah without a doubt right. I mean five hundred dollar olive branch. Yes it was graduate success on your APP I hear subscribers is booming. Might your best brother that we really need the best Gio. We've got to bring that back at the beginning of December when the we makes his move at afternoon drive just one more time play. What a hold on? Hold on what. What is he doing ruin? Well you know what he's doing. I'm not really sure what he's doing. I don't think anybody engine marsh and has no idea what he's doing so much. Nick has no idea what he's doing. Bob Arrangement has no idea what he's doing. I think you'll best has like a little bit of an inkling of what he's not leaving. I'm not retiring. Oh what are we doing well. He said that might never know what he's doing. I'm here talked talked about it at length. Look I'm here my office is here. Get the big office now and Ice Office. I what I'm saying. Is that like nobody comes in and tells me what he's doing. I never nobody's doing. Yeah and piece all this together and then I put his words together with all the things that are written on more confused than ever before faces New People involved and and that's the way it should be you know it's time for the next generation of the fat. I'm a loser sleeping. I don't know I don't know he's he's not leaving out. The you know al.. Al knows all the Scott around here I love to know scuttle but I'm not fully aware of what is going on your radio. Leiper you right right right deep into the weeds of the radio. Hi Jinks and all that. Do we have any idea do you. And if you don't know than I don't know I do not know how I'm going to ask you again. And one thing we do know is that that that afternoon drive. Show is not going to be him. He's he's I guess he's here for years doing doing overnights now. No no no. He's going to be on the radio. Dot Com not leaving. I'm not retiring. Oh He's going to be here for many years on the radio DOT COM platform. But he's not I'm doing afternoon drive is what I can. When is he going to be on the radio DOT COM platform sometime? I guess starting next year I what time of the day. Oh I don't know about I don't know could be anytime. I guess when every feels Audi now I do not know that answer now out what I read the articles as you do. I listened to rumor and Innuendo. That's all I'm saying and I'm getting nothing nothing. No you're very disappointing. Disappointing in that regard. Well expect more out of and I expect more out of the people here to tell me some more information because I love radio gossip more than anything I know you do well. We'll we'll know soon enough right now or it's time to part ways. No no they're paying him he's here he's going anywhere he's here. I I keep reading these going wing somewhere. He's not going anywhere he's he's all right all right it is on the bed the bed is race. CBS Sports Network and and the great radio DOT COM. Hey is to allow Obama. It's the morning show with boomer Esiason and Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo and AH football Friday week ten we got the Janas Porzingis game. Yeah Janas Sports. I guess he's the brother that orchestrated the old trade. Great Out of New York to Dallas GonNa read a battle with Mark Berman. This morning I I was. I don't know if I still am but I was. Was it like sort of rape. Who would say Jones Fan Right? So it's funny that you ask Translate Terrace. Chris is a rap group in Latvia. That became very big Gio and Jones fans when me and Brian Jones did a sports talk show over on. CBS Sports Radio Right and they created these cardboard cutouts of us and took us around different towns in Latvia. Yeah and invited us out there and everything else. Did you ever go to Latvia. No Brian wanted to go to desperately wanted to go. Lafayette how how would you describe. What had you have? You looked it up and well. This is what this is. What spurred the whole thing? I said it looked weird and old is what I said. Lafayette via look like in the exception to that so then they made a tourism video. That's out there that's got. Its many many views from block visions of our cardboard aboard cutouts being introduced all cool places in Latvia. So Alcan find it if you put Gio and Jones Lot via and they're unbelievably well L.. Produced video where they used drones and everything else and they said listen. You thought that block via was always than stale old and we'll check this out. Could you imagine imagine this turf. You guys just showed up at those sites and like in those same poses but you are really there. Oh that'd be huge. Brian was was the big draw. Their you know being the voice more professional athlete and everything else draw big draw big draw so he was. They really wanted him to get out there and then they there was a club that they were format and they were dancing around with our cardboard cutouts and you know it was a big deal to them on a beach vacation there to Lafayette. Yeah Nice. Nice Ocean side. I believe the town. These guys lived in that they brought our cardboard cutouts too was that was the name of the town. Very old and weird porzingus. Yes so if you'd like to talk to one of them I still have the one guy number Roy juice calculus. I believe we had him on. One Yeah we did have him on. That ship has sailed you brought on by bringing up. I was just saying though. I tweeted out on the show account the video that Gio is referenced. The Latvian tourism video with me and Brian Jones. Yes it's amazing. The I didn't think that Latvians had that in them quite frankly to put together such a well produced video but they do they got some talent out. They've been getting their ass kicked by Russia for so long kind of feels was like this got to be a wall up or something. Maybe build that wall out in Latvia. All right what do you have their Jerry. Got An update for us. Yes right now. I'm looking at bridges of Lafayette One. Looks like the new cash go bridge kind of uplift yes it is and they got one really cool one too. He's like he's over in Jersey. Yesterday I don't even know why but you were playing golf playing golf. And the gobbles bridge is like a little squatty like Kosciusko just like our bridges in New York are bigger than their than their bridges. Connect you to Staten Island. Yeah but that's more of a Jersey thoroughfare right like into into a New York thing is total New York thing. I just felt like New Jersey like on felt like maybe we need to keep the bridges smaller. For some reason. I was going to hit something on that Gotha swerve and then they widened her in years. It's nice you know like you got the Cuomo bridge now. The governor named after his dad. If they're supposed to the TAP sir. I mean you have all these bridges like in New York that are big and bold and look great and you get these little puny just felt like the bridge was like half the the size. I don't know why it felt that way looking at the George Washington Bridge Puny winning no way back New Jersey. It's not a new bridge. That's a New Jersey D bridge. I just feel like the newbridge compared to the new bridges in New York that are bigger and bolder alert. Maybe just as our governors bigger. Maybe you got some sports for Bobby. These restaurant and sports bar and winter stamper emperor. The destination crafted for all Thursday night football. Open up the week in the. NFL and the raiders move over five hundred chargers show at nine man front convinced. This set the hand I saw touchdown writers. Would you believe it off after the line blows the whole nine. Bucks Jacob's Takes Role Very Brent Musburger Burger compass media networks. There is the raiders. Take the lead in wind up. Beating the chargers twenty six twenty four Jacobs seventy one yards on the ground with that. Go Ahead Score Eric. Harrison Orissa fifty six yard interception return for a touchdown at another and also had a third that was taken away because of a penalties almost three interceptions on the day. Here is Derek Carr really tough. Tough game I'll say this about that game the old school. AFC West bloodbath bloodbath short car threw for two hundred eighteen yards and a touchdown down here was Harris. The two picks one goal for a score. Pretty exciting especially moment special moment with his team Especially women from my teammates you know and the credits Dan for a position and just I trust the chargers with the loss fall. Two four and six on Sunday. You've got the one wind giants against the one win. Jets jets safety Jamal. Adams did as you point point out. Clear the Air Douglas Adam gays. Here's Jamal Adams raw good. I talked to. I talked to both adamant Joe and also like I said I talked to Chris for. We're also so Mr Josh. I say oh he says going forward he wants to be part of the solution with the jets. I WanNa Bring Success Organization mutation. I want to bring a super bowl to this organization. That's that's you know why I feel like I was placed in New York to kind of pick off where my dad left off. You know what I mean. Yeah data's George Adams now saquon Barkley is running back on the giants now a pretty damn good one. He says this would be a tough day from a father is kind of weird because he has a jets tattoo so even if he Whereas a saquon Barkley Jersey? He's still prepping the jets. Yup No doubt as data split now my dad. If you've ever my day Oh my dad. He'd been a jet fan his whole life so Is He gonNa root for the justice. But he's refer the giants and his his son at the same time. Pretty wild just picture and saquon. Listen Bro I can't do it. uh-huh bro Pain Son. His another version is every jet fan. Now is Joe Beningo like Joe Beningo used to be the most is negative but now every jet fan is Joe Beningo and speaking all the pain I saw this. There's some site out there selling. Oh the pain t shirts that that are in the jet grill. That's Joe's fault for not trademarking in there you go. If I'm Joe what do you do you use. It has been headlines in the newspaper. I know but that's different but like what are you GonNa do. He never trademarked it but I think what it does. Show us that Joe's an influence her he is not like how stupid am I not. I mean he has been doing this for twenty five years. I would think he would be look here. It is right here. See what a pain in the jet colors. And and and the jet Font without an S. I mean he should have been all over that. Yeah that was it easy to trademark. Something like that phrase is not easy but you can do it so now is it too late. Because they're Celani shirts for him now. Profit off the other day didn't trade market and then go after it's not trademarked. Arctic was in the last thirty seconds. Then I can tell you very possible. Yeah I'm an ASS. No no no no no I did send this journey cost last night and said get on this on the earnings. Go on it. Or and he's a businessman. Yes arnie is man. He's a businessman knows the business that's why I didn't. I didn't send Devon Joe because it would just look at it and then say forget about early gets the wheels journeyman. Ernie owns a laundromat. Maybe even two yeah. He's pulling out a laundromat owner. Don't know about people who work. WFAN earns Ernie owned owned. Hoon's owns a laundromat. Yes the producer of the show is also a laundry mat mogul. It's called. Oh the pain laundry. All the stain owed the stain. Yes there you go. Somebody's are we. Just we're going. I can see you as a laundromat. Mogul definitely right you get one of these coin-operated plays is you. Don't even have to go there. Put up some video cameras call today. I just going constantly emptying coins into my bank account. Oh the pains available get it right now. Jury come on Jerry Were you got to pay for in an application. How much does it cost hundred bucks? I think it's like five hundred dollars. Might be just to fill out the application or new trademark trademark all day. It's Nothin' because you can make it all back and you. T shirts laundromats legalzoom. Let's go go. Let's do it in the break. Fair enough shakedown Jill and Ernie. Did you read the Antonio Brown quotes. Yeah well I didn't read them all we talked about. They didn't read specifically what they read the quotes. Or you're just move onto the tops. Go Go ahead and do it did deleted don't know one I don't have the The audio how do you know. I don't everywhere I see it. They're very quick to point out he deleted it so fast. Before we could record it Even barstool I couldn't wouldn't get to it until we did and again instagram post. This was the first one this was on instagram. Can you okay bleep the NFL. Yup I'm going down another path. No more making money off my blood and sweat no more control of my name and body. Clear my name. I'm done with it so you fantasy bleeps can let it go now. A couple of hours later later he goes to twitter and posts quote imagine conforming to assist them giving one hundred percent to see them. Treat me like this is unfair making money off my I sweat and blood bleep the NFL. I'll never play in that bleep. Treat black people the worse. Clear my name and go bleep yourself. And what was that again in about him. Being on the eagles later this year might fit right in. You never know later he tweeted. I love football and I miss it. I just want to play and I'm very emotional about that. I'm determined to make my way back to the NFL. Maybe he's on some sort of meds and he took the meds later on in the day or something. What are you doing on on the beds later? Urban urban in the morning he wasn't supposed to meet I guess he's supposed to meet with the NFL next week about everything any ownership in anything that he how he's pissed off of course. Not Why would he not. Antonio Brown's brand blame everybody else all yourself up Knicks. It lies fell fault. Nixon Dallas Tonight KRISTAPS porzingis seeing his former team. As we know the Netzer in Portland will have that on the fan for you at nine. Forty five clippers. beat the Blazers. One zero seven one zero one Leonard. Eighteen of his twenty seven in the fourth quarter for the win and the Heat beat the Suns One twenty four to one zero eight Jimmy. Jimmy Butler had thirty four points. He was a guest on Fox sports south afterwards and he was not thrilled when his teammates were trying to photo bomb. The the the interview you made it very plain that you don't care what happens as long as it's a win. Is it any more savory locker room to the locker room great game go to please. He was showing his teammates away. And then the reporter's you can imagine the pre imposed cameau's was kind of wondering why what is it that you don't enjoy the video bumps sad about them right now. It's about me I love it. the Spurs beat the thunder one. twenty-one Twelve lamarcus Aldridge nineteen of twenty three. He had thirty nine points Celtics over the Hornets one. Zero eight eighty seven. Ice Emotional return earn for Kimball Walker. He had fourteen struggle with shot but they come up with the wind. Rutgers beat Bryant last night seventy three seventy one. The Yankees Hiring Matt Blake as their new pitching coach. He was the pitching coordinator with the never heard of such a thing. But okay well. The mets pitcher pitching ordinary and brody hired one. Yeah Yup win win. These the pitching Dave island brought back the monster. Pitching coordinator with pitch to In the in the majors all right I I would was he was he deemed pitching coordinator or I thought it was something else. Not a pitching whisperer. No Nolan Ryan is shown the door in Houston by the way it means shown the door get out he was. He wasn't watching games correctly from the front. Is that what whatever he had they. A basically said bye bye and they demoted his son. I'll read Ryan. Yes Oud and the owner. What's the owner's name? I forget anyway. He brought in his son to replace Read Ryan. Oh it was a pitching strategist. Dad's what is pitching yet though George Nader strategy now alison the one up show. We we do that. If you're not sure from five forty five to six hundred show. Yeah it was good salary a little bit longer but it was a good show. Maybe two to four to six six or something like that. I would do that. Get Out of here ten. Get so what you guys talking about wanting to. He said he'd like to be a pitching coordinator chest to put his five starters rotation but as a strategic strategist could you handle that job strategist. That's what I said no we. We know baseball. Strategist pitching stretch. I could set the rotation up you good and as a as a manager you come to me and say who's up next I go. Well Severino Severino Pitch yesterday Paxton next that I could do okay. Human calendar right right no strategy. You'd have to have it down on a calendar in my phone and then what happens if it rains. I'd have a meeting the cast doubleheaders right. You have off days load management days and those days where it's a relief game game game yet. No chance Rangers win. Takeaway goes the poverty. I looked what he says. The on how four to the Rangers win four and a five now for the Foreign Henrik Lundqvist with forty five saves on the night. Brendan Lemieux a power. Play goal in the second period as well so the Rangers get victory. The islanders do not they were up three nothing on the penguins. They wound up losing in overtime. Four three if Guinea milkin ties and Brian Rusty scored twice in the game. Got The game winner in the Ot flames beat the devils five to New Jersey and Edmonton later tonight. All right thanks jar each the morning show with boomer Esiason and Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo. CEO jets and giants. They both stink. And it's a football Friday sort of I mean. Football is dead again in this town. There's GonNa be some other really good games. We will get to. Of course the Knicks and the PORZINGAS thing happening tonight curious to see when porzingas comes back to the garden. What type of reception you will get later on this month? This is the first meeting obviously down in Dallas. The Knicks probably get waxed. It'd be a pleasant surprise. They played well and even won the game. But I think the odds of that are very very slim and you've got a hockey team. That's hot with boomer esiason which made me think no this whole story about Saquon. Barkley he and his dad and how his dad is big jets fan. It's going to be wearing a jets Jersey watching saquon play for the giants we. We had a similar situation here over the summer. Where you know? You became an islander fans during their their Stanley. Cup did not become an island so so you I was just GonNa give you a compliment that you put family. You know what a team where did not you know what and that was really. That's the type the man that you are is that blood is thicker than anything else. Yeah Ranger blood. No no no I mean with your daughter marrying an island during your shopping on board and the Rangers having the season I was jumping on board. You were there and you're rooting them on. And you were a big islander fans of playoffs. Now I mean that's really the respect that I think situational totally get. How bad has to deal with this? But that's his son. You know this is your daughter daughter. Does it's a play on the power play for the islanders. Okay she married a guy that is a great guy and we're very proud of Matt. We'd love Matt and we think he's awesome and I want nothing but the the best for him really. I do nothing but the best for him but I. I'm not an islander fan. I'm Marie Ranger. Fan died the wall and I told him that when I first met him and I put on there was either Brad Richards Jersey or bottle brick Nashes Jersey when I first met him and my kitchen. Some high priced fly. What's that nothing and I said said? Hey look man you got one you can get into. I can tell you that right now. Now if it were gunner and he was a New York different story what what would you have done. That's a different story. I'm asking you watch supporting my son. I'm rooting for my son. Just like my dad had to re route for me. My Dad grew up. A giant fan loved the New York giants lines and we. I'd have to watch those lousy New York giant games every Sunday with him right like in the seventies but he loved the giants. And then you know obviously I got traded right back to the jets and he switched allegiances. Okay we're going to tell you that's that's bothersome at a different store cages. Making his father in Law son-in-law in law should say coupons dad's a maniac right. He's mania you can't be rude for the jets still just on on the giants story. I mean I mean but I'm sure he wants his son to run for two hundred fifty yards on the sound like it. Sounds like he's got his jets Tattoo and he's wearing his Jersey during his game and he would want the jets to win in over. A giant Uptick Saquon Dad or having a lot of fun with this. That's what I'm thinking. Kind of like me a Madhav with the islanders and the Rangers and everything else. Yeah I I totally understand understand it. I don't have a ranger tattoo like sick ones. Dad has a jet tattoo. Yeah I've got a tattoo. I've got a Vikings Tattoo and by the way I saw awesome thing that that made me think like I saw on a TV. Show the Tattoo the laser tattoo removal process. Yes oh I'm stuck talk with this thing for life with it. I mean you're still a viking fan but I don't want to tattoo any longer I like this weekend. We've got a a wedding in Florida and I'll be hanging out by a pool and a beach and then I got the shirt gums off and then the tattoos out and it's just like every time it's just something that WHO's looking at this does it. Does it create a lot of con- conversation occasionally when I'm around people that like let's say you're at the beach there's acquaintances or something like this would be the perfect situation situation where someone would talk about it. Like you're you're there for a wedding you're hanging out at a Paul here for the wedding or whatever you sitting down a beach here. What does that Tattoo there? What's that you you you you? Oh you're from Minnesota no you. Then you have to explain the whole thing again right at becomes. Just a big fan pillaging. No no no no. No no no the Minnesota Vikings Fan. Yeah corrupt on Suffolk County. And now. I'm living the pain of having this tattoo on my right arm is all right. You know you did it when your kid is unclear. And Take it into the store across the street for when you're a living in Yeah it was like twenty four worse. I was twenty four. I didn't do that. Yeah I got like sixty bucks for that. Though so at the time was a big deal so I mean that was. I love that that was awesome. But this tattoo is just either pay for this thing and Saddled with the rest of my life. I'll let's go to Mike in East Brunswick what's going on Mike. Hey Good morning guys how are you good morning. What's what's up? I'm not jets fan but just observing the jets Exempt Arnold continues to lose games born terribly on the jets. Get high drastic. Do they use that for quarterback or today at the Panthers Cam Newton available. Do they bite on that. Listen and man. I know you cannot see Cam Newton here in New York no way. No I mean I. I was trying to think the other night like if the panthers move on from him. Mike where does he go thirty years old now. He is a guy who has had multiple injuries. You prior to missing all this time. I understand he sat with an injury. That point too but I mean he did not look like the same explosive player. It's gotTa be a team. That's a quarterback order back away right. I mean that's that's you cannot bring him into a rebuilding roster. The bears talk about that one. Yeah maybe you have. The I mean the broncos maybe the the programs they have drew lock on the Roster told MEES though the brain dead guy well he he'd never call the play in a huddle Missouri. Sorry yes yes. It's just beyond belief but you know it's GonNa take a while to figure it out. Yeah man who else. I was looking to see that. I like where. Where's he going to go ends up being free? Someone's gotTa give a shot right. You would think somebody about the Patriots when they move on from. Tom Brady Yeah. I don't I don't see Bill Bella check and Cam. Newton chargers maybe the chargers if they decide that they've had enough Philip rivers which could be the case. Charges are going to need something. They're moving into this new stadium next year. It's going to be embarrassing when there's thirty thousand awesome people at a home opener for the chargers in that stadium. Titans or any of these just complete no goes that I've thrown. I don't think the titans are no go. Depending on what So chargers Tallyho stone. I you know I. It's hard to say I. I mean you had to look at older quarterbacks you gotTa look at teams that you like to think that are ready to win now and somebody would need an infusion of personality. What about the Buchan ears if they move on from Jane while that's it and then where does James Go? I don't know we can go scratch that there's going to be guys out there. Andy Dalton is going to be out there they're most likely but CAM won. MVP in the League. He's going to be in. That people are GonNa WanNa but you know. He's kind of curious personality too. That's the point. I think that you know the post game press conferences and the outfits and the hairdos and all that other stuff you know. Let's I think coach is really want that around. I think they want guys that are dedicated catered to the game and that was all they care about is football. That's one of the things about Daniel Jones and the Sam Darnold do have going for them. You don't see them doing a million commercials. They're not Baker Mayfield. I'm sure that Sam probably is turned down a bunch of things. I would imagine you know. He's a quarterback at the New York jets. You think that would be a pretty popular you. Oh God to go out and do some different things. You don't see them doing a lot. No Baker Mayfield's everywhere. I know I'm he's got more endorsements of our guys never for him. I mean but I think in in this day and age with the amount of money that these guys are making. You don't see Tom Brady. Don't a million things do you know I mean he's got his own thing right. He's got his TB twelve deal. Yup and that's it. I mean he's not really endorsing the does under armor and stuff like that but I also think you may be a compartment under armor. Who knows yeah well? He's he's operating on a different and level. Yes most guys pro sports right. Given the point being though is Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones seemed to me to be really focused on trying to be good quarterback. We're back yeah but I mean well one's in his second year those a rookie you know. Yeah but you know so Baker Mayfield second year head that commercial. I mean that that photo shoot with him like with the tiger and his shirt off leaning up against the car if his career flames out like that is going to be the lasting image of Baker. Mayfield right so they get Kareem Hunt back this week against the bills as going to be interesting to see if if Kareem Hunt and how nick shove and cream hunt kind of worked together and yeah and does is that. What kind of impact does that have on them? And huge game for Cleveland. Any chance said if some that but my point being is they have any chance of getting back into this thing they have got the win this game on Sunday air favorites somehow some way their favorites Freddie Kitchens is he's just an the everybody he says that you know because the browns are favorites in this game. That must be something like Vegas knows something or you know it's just it's it's one of those things that jumps out at you like. Why would the the the BROWNS as bad as they've been you know be a favourite in his game even two and a half point favorite? But you know it's because the reason why I'm never going to be able to believe in Cleveland because a Freddie Kitchens Hitchens Sean McDermott Yeah the bills haven't looked great and they lost that day you got blown out basically by the the Eagles in game at home. But I mean Sean McDermott is it is known as a good coach around the NFL. Freddie Kitchens is known as a Buffoon Yup. I don't think the bills were beaten anybody with a winning record right. But that's but the browns are two and six you know. I like the bill at least winning some games while you don't want to think about it if you're too and sixes opposed six into that means in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line you're doing something right. One hundred percent of your defense is doing something right. Your special teams your quarterbacks doing something right or the the opposite side of that would be your quarterback. Turn the ball over or your coaches screwing up a situation or burning time out when he shouldn't be yeah you know crap like that little nuance things that happened. At the end of these games that ended up costing teams you know costing the game. And that's that's happened happened to the browns like five times this year. It's the morning show with boomer Esiason in Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo so I drive out in a radio. Oh station every morning when it was Tony I was listening to Tony. J J J J J J John Jastremski. The fact on loves gambling like love sports gambling. It's his life floodgates. His passion like he's got he's using all the words in the gambling lingo goal like he's fading teams Fayed players and he. He calls the gambling community. The community is when he calls it now. The best part about about this. He makes picks with his staff. Yeah he makes picks Harris Allen the update anchor makes picks Mike Fliegelman makes picks out. Jj spends ends weeks like hours and hours and out breaking down the line talking to guys. He's got friends that he has on the show. That live in Vegas Vegas bookmakers. He this whole deal does any work for Brent. Yeah he's well he's done some stuff over there on this in the Brent Musburger Vegas Hi everybody. WHO's this now? Jj Jj's Yoga Gavin. Yeah no I know it was just funny because you're talking to Evan and he's looking at you and you're eating oreos the crumbs of the orders are falling onto his red hair. You know. That's not true it was just. It was an amazing. It was an amazing sight. Dirty raining trump's anyway. So the best part about this is when they make their picks Harris Allen who does not care about gambling addle is leading their air picks. Right so you got Mike Fliegelman. WHO's like a little easy produces the show? He's like a little. Jj in his degenerated gambling and JJ is like off the charts and then there's Harris Marissa when he breaks down the Games I've said before he actually said I'm I am not taking the chargers because with the chargers. Where's the beef Tori cream pop? Last week he'll go you know there's there's just I gotta feeling about the cowboys this week. That's what he does but he's winning picks wchs. Jj does like these fifteen minute breakdowns of every game lines this and that Harris leading the pick so that right there I told Harris. I'm I'm rooting for you. Man Because that will just tell you that none of us know anything we we live. Eat Sleep and drink at every single day and society still human beings going out on a frigging football field and trying to. I would've never thought that Philip rivers is GonNa throw three interceptions last night and have won his worst games ever. Yeah no I know may still almost one game. I know you just you have no idea how by the way that that spread last night. One chargers were favored by one and the The over under was forty nine. All Wow and it turned out to be a total obviously a fifty and one right on the that's what gets me more than anything Over under numbers are unbelievable. Yeah well that how close they are has yeah Let's go to Brendan in Virginia. It's going on Brendan. Hey what's up. Jail Gordon Oh yeah Oh yeah what you got for US okay. First of all Team Eddie's Xerri he's the greatest board op in the history of radio. That's it's very our can do like a tight shot of Geo dude on your mic. It's been at least like three days. You Got Schmitz. Do all over the what this is right here. It's not sh what what does that. This is the remnants of the CLOROX. Wipe that I use to wipe it down everyday But it's not I take a clorox wipe and I pl- top thing and clean it off every day and because it's like a cloth thing it leaves leave some remnants of it so trust me this might. It's almost like a bleach mark yet. Well yeah booted it go ahead. It's horrible to look at and I know Al Probably. We got like thirty seven. Mike covers. Yeah I know I do need my own I do. You get close to your mic to Brandon. If you're watching right now it was a little bit of a delay. Right here is where it's really disgusting. This schmaltz right on top here. Yeah this is the this is like right. Here's Steve Somers Lips. What I like Eddie was ready with that? I mean I know come on you know I could. I could scrape it all. got a nail file or something. We have that screw petrified on there I could scrape that off. You could into like a bowl and then Schwartz give it the Marash in a lap. It up yeah like a little kitty litter but this right here Brendan. I'm telling you it's. It's okay like this this. I wiped this off. This is not get warm it takes on off. I can't if it's really bothered right. Well it does kind of look like Schmidt's on the air I Guests but but you guys like I tend to know that you guys are all radio professionals Because if you went to Jerry Recco School of broadcasting you you would probably tell you to like eat the mic like that would be one of the dumbest things you would tell somebody well. Clearly you didn't go to broadcasting school. I love when we put Mike puts puts the microphone as you just yes. Sometimes yes take says I think near my mouth but you're also used to wearing the MIC on TV. Yes that's why you're not even thinking about where it is but these things are discussed so you know what you should have your own my. What is it called the Mike Capital Screen owned the school wins. It's called it anywhere sitting around there. What no last time? I went looking for me like they. Treat them like gold around here those mic screen. Expensive mice creeks. I don't think so All right that's a piece. It's a foam. Yeah let's specifically for these mics are probably. I don't know you wanNA talk about Schwartz. Look at if if we were the government. We're buying them. They're probably cost like six hundred fifty dollars. What put that to the camera? The other side of the microphone. I don't know what that is gross. That's not may I can tell you I know I'm not saying it is but hey my Mike's getting all the heat here you're Mike Scott Schweitzer on TV like you can see yours. That's why you've cleaners up already. All right it's even better now. All Right Jerry got brought to you by the salad with a supermodel brought to you by the Raycatena auto group schedule an appointment today. Tina Service on a first class service at affordable prices Thursday night football raiders beating the chart. George Gortex the snap. You'll handle tickets head across the fifteen breaks a tackle Ted across the five end zone. Touchdown Raiders Josh Jacobs explodes up the middle title for an eighteen yard. Touchdown run with one. Oh to go. The raiders have taken the lead Oakland twenty-six chargers twenty-four Ryan. Radke Westwood one on the Fan. Josh Jacobs the go ahead score. Raiders beat the chargers by two as they get to five and four on the season. Jon Gruden says team keeps battling Ling says a lot about our T- are we allowed to resilient guys they're gonNA keep compete. You may beat us but we're going to be hard out to get Anton Garden. Would if you agree I would agree. Here's Anthony Lynn. He says his team is too sloppy. We turn the ball over. We know that you know and you had three doesn't sound good and by the way I think is in Kansas City in San Diego in Mexico City next week. He's going back again Where they had to cancel a game last year that that's a huge game that Joyce send our biggest star with a dislocated knee to go play on a field? It's not up the national standards nappy something up to snuff. You better hope. He doesn't get re injured. B like feel was always rocky messy and are practice fields. Were I mean it was basically like a A desert because there was no grass rocks razor blades and coach liked until you want us to be tough but the game day feel pristine ours was too and nobody is allowed to touch it. Now get on their man's this version for bellport football varsity for city football. JV football only but the practice field. I mean you get. You need a shot. When you went on Sunday the giants take on the jets? Pat Shurmur says. The club has urgency. Just like you know you coach and play every game like it's a playoff game and you're trying to do everything you can to win has tell by just like in the tone of his voice voices urging has the season worn on him. How does it worry me bill for this built Ford tough? Yeah a bill for the F.. One fifty can't you tell you very well might I'm bill. I'm bill for this really convincing their patty. You're Saquon Barkley talking about his dad being a jets fan. He says he figured that this would happen at day. I you know I know this situation is going to come about one day but I'm having fun. You know I would suggest fan growing no to So as it's fun it's going to be a little fun competition. Barkley Barkley said He gave his Daddy. Joe Nemeth Jersey about your win And that's what he he will wear on Game Day and so that should be fun. You also had the Jamal Adams clear on the air with Joe. Douglas and Adam gays here was Adams. Does jets giants still have significance to see you every game but especially this one. You know what I mean. We're we're looking forward to this is going to be. It's going to be a fun atmosphere and all especially for the winter winter. Here's Adam gase wants to see sixty minutes of solid effort. I just keep trying to find ways to help. Our guys put him in. Good positions finally get them better. Find ways to keep keep bar you're clean. Football Chechen giants Sunday at one o'clock basketball tonight. The Knicks in Dallas take on KRISTAPS Porzingis. So what led to the trade. Probably get in more trouble. If I started talking about that stuff. You know it is what it is. You know. It's it's it wasn't ideal. He did admit that some of his social media stuff was not outsmart in the past going on that moment. When I got traded stupid instagram's stories? You know just laying in bed late at night like I got traded. Yeah so we all make mistakes. It's funny because it's exactly how you envision it to him just laying seven foot center. Angry angry leads the Graham mm-hmm we wish you marry Chris. Stops we wish you a merry Christmas. We wish you a merry Chris stops. Here's a block in your face. You say of all the songs you did because now that one seems silly because you know the Mavericks thought we were GonNa see Kristaps Porzingis with the Knicks for ten. Fifteen years. Didn't pan out of all the songs you've done. Which one would you say looks the dumbest now like it was such great hope for so and so and you're making a song about it on a couple of years later you hate them? Turn out to be a bad player. John McCain Remember John Wayne was good at one point about John John John McCain John main he was in a little bit of a stretch but I think we treated him like he was better than he was. I think the Mike pelfrey songs the best they were but yes he did have a good career to not great but good then he left us and went to Minnesota. Yes yes and continued on word. Mega main never went anywhere. Did he when he was he was done wasn't he. I'm not sure there's got to be one. That's worse than that. I feel like we talked about this once before and it was one that was really really bad. I don't know he said John Main very quickly. Yeah I just wanted excuse to play your John. Ah Dummy here's PORZINGAS looking ahead on the new place and I'm I'm I'm looking forward to the future. I don't want to go back through much. And and bring that stuff. Aw gets the KNICK fans or probably not thrilled with that they're so passionate about the team So let's it's normal that they feel that way so we'll see what happens later tonight. The Nets are in Portland. Portland will have that on the fan at nine forty five me. Please mazing that he we. Now it's all EP now. Now Celtics beat the Hornets one. eighty-seven Kemba Walker fourteen in his return to Charlotte Jason Tatum at Twenty Three Clippers over the blazers one zero seven one one big fourth fourth quarter for L. A. N. for Kawhi Leonard who had eighteen of his twenty seven How'd you get that done last night? We shut down the stretch Louis too big three rebounds and it turned into a free throw game at their dad. Knock no free throws and we WANNA game. He should play Pat Shurmur the to have the same amount of energy. The heat eight over the sons one. Twenty four one eight thirty four for Jimmy Butler and the Spurs outscore the thunder one. twenty-one one lamarcus Aldridge thirty nine points on get this nineteen nineteen twenty-three shooting on the night rutgers Brian Seventy three seventy one rangers and hurricanes. Last night ranger's make it four out of five second power play in her immune which given the Angelo in Cuba credit. It's all power play goal. How the Great Sam Rosen on? MSG Part of four to win our timing scores his eighth of the season Pavel Buchnevich the eventual game-winner and forty-five safes for handing Lundquist. And I give you twenty seconds on how the islanders ten game winning streak came to an end. They were sailing along long. They were up three nothing and then they weren't that good of a slot. They came from now the other way rusk rice any Scott Shop my recall scheme bricks it away and he's it just like that. The winning streak is over a four three loss and ot in game three nothing. I guess it was that second goal. I did not see the game. But the second goal of the night for Pittsburgh the Russ goal came after your boy No Barzilai almost scored and he came back. The say say by the Pittsburgh goal is the time to get his name Matt. Moore Lamar no no are they. Murray played for the Pittsburgh last night. I did not watch the game. They just had the game tying goal watching the other game the ranger game. Yes and the devils lost to the flames five to two there in Edmonton later tonight tonight. All right thanks Jerry. The morning show with boomer Esiason and Greg Hardy boomer and Geo. How long has this long employees Only about twenty thousand xbox not that I could have just started. I thought it was like a minute or self. TV just came back so well. Hey everybody sucking down fagin cheese back there talking to Bob Dwyer about how his twelve year old daughter's going our first date. Oh God drives me nuts about those born when we started first date. I don't even want it no. I don't I don't want to think about any awesome bigs Watson road. I know it's coming but twelve years from now at least well last now. Ten and a half. I guess yeah I mean you know the the the great thing is like you saw me out there. Eating an Oreo like towering over Evan. Yes imagine what I was like on Sydney's first date and the kid coming to my house my goodness that kid probably did he turn around that he'd like give on the date he met. No no no they wanted I forget what they want. Who knows? How old is she like same age? Twelve thirty s somewhere around at that age. Like I think you have to as a father do that intimidation thank all right. You have to like it's part of the fun of it right like you you show up. You're cleaning the shotgun or something like one of those things. Oh Hey kid. And he got like some sort of data machete in my hand mm-hmm when I met him shopping onion and a half. You know what was really what was really funny is his. His mom was driving. Meme okay so his mom was out there waiting and obviously they went to school together. So you know the parents very well and you so you know. I kind of told her. I said this is GonNa be like kind of funny. You know that kind of thing. Yeah so now. Does this guy make anything of himself or or what he's spied. Yeah yeah very good kid really good kid and I remember when he came in and said he was upstairs and Cindy can hear me talking to him right so I was like so. So what are your future plans. What what do you think's going to where you think you're GONNA end up? Got Thing you remember his answer he was just so nervous. Yeah big his name was Sam. Okay if I remember correctly yeah so. Yeah Bobby Kid though I remember him being and his brother being great kids and the mom was awesome and everything else and it was just a very funny time. Now Bobby is going to a movie during no no no no moving having any movies now. No the movie for a twelve year old. What's the way that's dark room? I do not like it. You'll like dark room. No no no no so you want like out in the open public space. Go Walk around the mall or something we could be at right right. Yeah exactly Mike Movie. I don't think so I just love to. I'm sitting in between you took a bite of your sandwich. Mid Story goes getting cold right at this very good. I was back there talking to bobby. I said you're going to let them go to a movie. Yeah well he said day movie thinking that was going to hell who cares. It's going to be dark in there right. That's exactly right dark and we all know how we would approach this right eight. You'll popcorn trick right. Do you remember your first date. Well it wasn't when I was twelve. That's for sure yeah was much much later. Twenty to thirty thirty Louis Up there really come on twenty two twenty two but you didn't. You didn't take girl prom or anything. I didn't go to mind forgoing. We're going. Nope no did not not. I thought it was. There was a group of our two now. I know what's going on around here. You guys not go to your prom. uh-huh okay well what's going on. I mean it was like it was one of those things are like. We're not gonNA stupid stuff like a group of photos because you guys couldn't get dates and it wasn't it now I actually got. I asked him homecoming king. For God's Sakes Yeah Pros Norma I was never the homecoming king. What you're saying I was never none not homecoming homecoming? Because I was the quarterback okay. I don't even know if we even had a king. It was bomer. You know what it's coming here sloppy bureau honestly because these are the stereotypes that I've been fighting my whole life. I hate when you guys stereotype me. Well but I mean you look like Eddie in his high school experience and he is in you and your high school who you are. I mean those. Stereotypes are there for a reason tire slash in high school. I didn't have a car. Okay I did or a pony a stroke but that that Pony was scholarship earned that scholarship. Oh here we go. Yeah what you do have by the way I paid it back in spades. Yeah Amen Brother all right. Yeah but you do have an unhealthy stain for boomers. Highschool experience is that fair to say. I don't know why no I just pony was a therapy repeat pony. I'll be sure to. My mother died when I was seven. I notice you making fun of that. Who is an emotional support pony? That's exactly what it was by. Father was ahead of the game. Yeah trailblazing with that emotional support pony have a little little fat. You how we got that pony back from upstate. New York we got the pony in Granville. Ranville New York okay. You know how we got back to Long Island did you have. I can remember this correctly. I think I think I got it. Did you strap it to the pretty close. I think we took the backseat of the Green Plymouth fury to we didn't have the fury three. We had the fury to okay. It was a big car. You can look it up big four door car and I think my dad took the back seat out of the of the car and we put the pony in the back of the back seat with the Hay and everything. Yes yes. y'All just sat there. What did you drug the thing? No I know the ponies not GonNa just sit there and hey in a car the pony was grossly. Yeah it was a very young pony when we didn't know how to act up freak out like like I mean we actually had. Hey in the back of the car as you strap it down. I don't I don't remember so wild. So wild animal. It's GONNA get up. I was either eight or nine years old. I don't I don't I'm trying to recollect but I think I do remember putting it in the back seat and when when the pony got to the suburbs of Long Island where does it go where I lived in country village. We had a reasonably large backyard. Not overly big okay but a large backyard large enough to be able to put a half offense. Throw it in a barn in the back or a quarter mile track. Now we didn't did. Did He live in the barn unbelievable. Yes it was and what about in the winter is that yeah well. Yeah it was fine. Just give them a horse blink. Rabo yeah whatever I don't you know we had it for about a year and a half two years by remember. That's it and he gave it away or the problem was is that like you know it was if I were at school. My sister's right a house. There was nobody that I could. You know what I'm saying just is just hanging but it did it live yes okay so went somewhere else to live. Yes it didn't it didn't pass from. My Dad. Felt like you know a year and a half or two was good enough and then offering that. Do you have any photos of this pony. I don't think so man. I'm looking at this plymouth fury to yes and picturing you at your Dad Pony in the backseat driver Sunrise Sunrise. AUTORIZHER COMING DOWN FROM THE NEW YORK. State thruway Oh my goodness five I remember Granville. New York is up on the border of Vermont and New York way up there and if I remember like a five and a half hour ride from Long Island in that Plymouth fury to and back then we didn't care about seatbelts or anything like eight year old boomer was in the front seat smoking smoking if not my dad was smoking. Yes this crazy. I can't believe this pony was that well behaved in in a moving car like I A. I'm I vaguely. Remember being that way. Yes how else would it get down there. You know. We didn't have a trailer it must've been and then you didn't. You didn't get delivered. The Pony didn't get a lot of why this just came to me like took the back seat of the fury to. I don't even know why this came came to me. I don't know maybe it was just eating a bic sandwich. Bacon egg and cheese brings you back to your childhood and then the next thing you have memories of the Hey I just picture. Was that Tommy boy. The movie Chris Farley and David spade the deer and they put the deer in the back seat and wakes up. Like that's like that's what it was just it. I was just like that but it was apparently com like like. was there any point where you thought it was GonNa Freak out on me. I can't you know like Oh my God. It's off dupin they're not even thinking about the. I don't remember the code in the bathroom in the car but starting to move Tsk quick enough. I you know what I think. My Dad was trying to do everything you possibly could make me happy right. It's not look I know I know. Well he did a good job with that. You know I think excuse me you still have a memory of yeah I do. It's good memories very positive memory. I mean this Plymouth fury that's a beast of look how bigoted are we remember that thing to be. I remember still in that in the middle of the night. Take a boat it really. It really had like the wings on the back. Y- The the way that the color I think the caller we had was like army green screen. Wow was it bigger than impala. The Old Chevy Impala. I think it was in that family. Those were like tons literally yeah. This thing was enormous really is it really is a gigantic vehicle. I'm obsessed so now you can understand why I could put a pony in the backseat. Backseat out. I don't know if he put. Would it now trunk or how. I don't know where the backseat was. Maybe a time to the roof. Oh man it's the morning show with boomer Asya in Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo coming up in an hour Darren Woodson former Dallas Cowboy is gonNA join us in studio radio talk some football. We found out that part of the boomer size in coney story was that the pony was loaded in the back of a gigantic plymouth fury to and driven five hours with hey in the back seat and boomer and his dad in the front-seat so couple of people had some thoughts on this so instead of moving on to talk about it. Yeah we'll get to a couple of calls and we're getting some of these week ten games because you can't just tell that story and move on so let's go to Just in Morristown Justin morning guys. How are you what's happening? If I'm dying over here we got it. What what did the farmer say? When you were loaded into the car? I mean he had to be like I can't. Ah You GONNA take this pony I so I don't remember because I was like eight or nine years old and I was going through traumatic time in my life as my mom died so I don't remember number any of that I remember is or vaguely remember putting the horse or the pony in the back now is a little small pony. Somebody send us a tweet of a photo auto of almost the exact same thing and that is not photoshop does it. NO NO NO I. I re tweeted this. Basically I mean they put a pony in a backup. Honda fit so the fact that you can do that. This very this is like nineteen sixty nine. So this like you have all the stuff going on in the world world and I'm getting a pony stuff in the back of a fury to yeah I mean I also a former back then probably did not care like now they just want to sell horse right you. You can't. You wouldn't be able to do that these days. Because it'd be a lawyer or something or a video uploaded on instagram these these these pony abusers right right like back then. It's probably a fat guy in overall smoking a cigar that sitting there countenance cash as you drive off a pony and you have to remember so my my uncle left long island. He was a teacher. I believe in the North Sports School district or the East northport school district. And he left in the mid sixties to go upstate and to Granville New York all right where he said the most exciting thing on a weekly basis was when they were unloading the trucks that the Grand Union. That was like the most exciting thing going on there. Sounds like a dream and he bought like fifty or sixty acres on top of this Knoll and my dad and he built a big a frame house. Because that's where he ended up living. My uncle and my aunt and uncle all ended up. Raising Newfoundland's okay. That's right I remember. My amp became the new president of America. How has how I have New Zealand so I it's somehow my uncle Roy got my dad and he they conspire to give me a pony or something to make me feel better? That's the way it works is went older men. Do they try to help their family. Feel better like right. Whatever it takes to make your kid field? That's how I've always thought about Gunnar. And everything he's dealing with right. I just try to use like what my dad would do with me now. I never got a pony. But he didn't put it in the back seat of winning Jim in Bohemia what's up Jim Good morning guys. I love the show. I'll make this real quick I'm boomer sanction question. Eighteen eighty four right. My best friend would have a would take his his plymouth furious. We would have five guys in the back four guys in the front two cases of beer which in the backseat and we will do whatever you want any he also I would take his father's boat. 'cause it's probably leave the keys on about G. L. Because we leave keys when Arroyo Jim thanks Jim Yeah So. CBS Sports Network. They dug up a picture of one of these Plymouth. Fury Yeah right there. Is that it those afford. I remember it being a four door. Okay okay so that you wouldn't be able to fit a pony in that one right because you have to. I don't know I think it was afford. And why did the hoods have to be so giant on these these giant engines eight cylinders in there. Yeah Man Tannin's it's probably way like five thousand pounds. I know the impala was over four thousand pound with the same class. I think it was like a battleship on wheels. And you look in the rear view. Here's his vic or said where we spent a lot of summers in Granville New York man. Yeah I never even heard of grain. What's it close to? It's it's right across the border from Vermont really from Bennington trying to think. Yeah I don't know I don't know from Granville. I didn't buy forty acres on top of a knoll up there. I know I know knows like in the middle of nowhere. I mean it looks like it. You're zooming out. You still haven't found a town that you know there's wells Vermont to the east of it. Oh It's right there I got it now all right. Yeah so it's all on the east the New York border so the east all right very good I one more because because this is tad sold ponies and always putting the back there you go right is upstate. What's going on frank a boomer boomer I believe my grandfather soldier this pony because he used a constantly but ponies in the back of cars You know we have a significant record of a a lot of people coming down from New York City and we were constantly pulling back in cars. And I'm telling you right now where did you live. Where did you live up there? Grams bill really you really. Oh yeah you lived in Granville. And you're you think your father or your grandfather stuff at this pony in the back of boomers. Dad's car definitely my grandfather. I'm actually there right now. One hundred and seventy five acres. They'll sprawling land. We were constantly cell phone and they will come out with yourself frank. You're not pulling our leg. I'll definitely definitely these day. There's guys down for real. I can't believe what you said No Sir that's what I knew I'll tell you that's where I you laugh. I You Spell Craig. All the time I my vacations in the summertime would be Lake Ronkonkoma. No I know hey was a destination. I wasn't there was gaslight village Jeff Lake George Story town that was my that was the US vacation right. No reason to go anywhere else in the summer around here right a I was just like what we did. Man I gotTa tell you boy all right so let's go over a couple of these guys now we've got all of it either way I one on one of the quick thing. Yeah did you see who. Florida State is interviewing head coaching job. Yeah well are they interviewing him or is it it just one of these things where his name is surfaced. As a potential candidate now report dion sanders has emerged as a candidate for the Florida. State job right. So he hasn't interviewed yet but it seems like that's something that is on the horizon. I I don't know why Dion Sanders. At this point point in his life would want to take on something like that. Well the previous coach Willie Taggart Young Guy that just got the twenty million dollar buyout or eighteen million. Whatever it was there was supposedly talk between Willie Taggart in Dion Sanders that Dion Sanders would come and be the defensive backfield coach Defensive Backfield coach? Well it's a big difference than being the head head coach himself as Florida. State's enter to like say Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh has been coaching like before afford Jim. Harbaugh went to Michigan. He was coaching all over the place. We got into it on the NFL today. One one weekend where he was was just Livid About Dan Reeves coaching the Falcons and Michael Vick. How Dan Reeves and Michael Big just see I then? Of course you hear later on in Michael Vick's career he. He says he owes everything to you. Know the Dan Reeves Right. We are you on on. NFL Today set on their forget. This and I look if you on found somebody fired. It's fine I don't care you can say whatever you wanna say but just know that. Whatever you say you're going to elicit a response from the people you work with right? And he he wanted Dan rea expired wired and I said to him I said well. Who are you going to replace them with? Can't just say fire. You GotTa have somebody that you're gonNA replace them with and he looked right into me and the camera goes. I'll take the job and this is a long time ago right around early two thousand nine thousands and I just said you think job. You don't make our meetings. How the hell are you gonNA make their meetings? All you said that on the air I did I mean because you know and then he decided understand where I was coming from because she said look if if you say that I can't just stand there and not saying anything right. I mean you're going to get a response from me. Yeah Wow I can't believe you crush them the promises that I Held and I still do to this day. Dan Reasons such high regard as in the history of football. You look at Dan reason everything that he's accomplished and how he's carried himself self and everything and all the places that he was successful. You just don't throw a guy like that on top of a garbage heap. Yeah you got you got to treat them with respect you could say you. Maybe we should remove him. And maybe this guy would work better with Michael Vick or whatever but you can't just say at the way. He said US Dion Sanders elicited. Response that I gave your Ah Dion Sanders. One of the great athletes to sports unbelievable champion. He there's no way he can do this job none. He wouldn't be able to do it. There's too much involved. volved all the kids you WanNa say you WanNa bring them in as assistant coach now by with recruiting close deals fine to be the head coach. When you've never done that in your life and believe it or not? I know that we think there's not a lot of rules around becoming a head coach of a major university But there is a lot of requirements and rules that you have to be able to the meat in order to accept a job like that. Yeah and I don't necessarily know that he has all those qualifications. Yeah there's just this is a this is a smokescreen. This is something else I I don't know what this is. This is maybe him putting it out there. Throw my name out there. See what happens. He can't do this job. You can sorry there are some guys who you say. Great players worked theirselves up through the ranks. All of a sudden you see him coaching position coach in defense coach in an offense and then they get an opportunity unity as their part of it. He's GonNa go from being like you know. Nfl Mentor and Hall of Famer Dion Sanders. WHO calls people after games to tell them that they balled out to running a college football team? Well I think it's also a has a lot to do with recruiting and that's I think. Probably probably the biggest problem that Florida state has. They're losing major recruiting classes to Georgia to Lsu to Alabama to Florida. That I think think Florida state's boosters are looking at this and saying you know what we got to get somebody in here who's going to electrify not only the fan base but also going to be able to attract young great football players and dion would have that cachet. There's no question about it. Go and get a good coach. It was Davos. Sweeney the guy when Clemson hired him. That was going. It was the big sexy higher the energize the fan base. No the guy was a great coach and a great recruiter and he built now one of the best programs that we've seen in a in a decade or so so I to me you find yourself a great coach not to go higher. He also had a he had a memory. Put a school together. Called called I think it was called prime. Prep Okay and that turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. Well that was like just an absolute sham scam. What else you WANNA call it? Yeah Yeah Yeah I know. He's got lots of He'd like Jerry. RECCO had more success with his school Really Dion had with prime prep man prime. Prep I gotta read about. This was a big money. Grab or what. I'll use more of those than if you want. Yeah yeah he's I mean. Come on this is real. This can't be. The joke is a joke. Prime prep closes its doors for good prime prep closes after years of turmoil state removes to revoke Prime Prep Academy Charter. The spectacular collapse of Dion on Sandra's prime for a yeah. This doesn't sound good. I would think that they're probably a lot of people. Do Love Dionne and and and probably would love to have him to be a part of the program and all that. But I don't necessarily know that I would entrust them in in I guess control of you've what really is one hundred million dollar entity the now infamous Prime Prep Academy shut. Its doors permanently a year ago. In less than an hour's notice students students walked away from the Dallas and Fort Worth campus but no school employees left without jobs or pay checks for their final month of work with tears and anger. The state's most hyped in scrutinized charter. Thanks in part to co founder Dion Sanders ceased to exist. Sounds like a guy who put in charge of a football program right. Sure give me a break. He's doing a great job on the NFL network being him. That's all he needs to do is do that is all man. Stefan caught three touchdowns. Let's give them a call in the locker zero. That's what Dion Sanders should be doing. And that's the extent of what he is doing right. Stay doing that okay. It's the morning show with boomer Esiason in Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo Jerry RECCO is back with us and he's gotten update. What's going on Jerry where you're brought to you by town fair tire? Nobody Leeds town fair tire no body and the week in the NFL began in Oakland last night. And some defense for the winning writer makes the snap. He's back throwing looks now goes down separate Agai- head across the fifty to forty five four sideline forty. It's Harris again data. Twenty Twenty fifteen. Ten five touchdown raiders. Eric Harris picks it. It often. Takes the raiders are on top by a score of Dighton. It up at that point that was Ryan Radke Westwood. One on the fan would turn out to be a twenty six twenty four raider wind. Josh Jacobs the go ahead score in the late stages of the fourth quarter in eighteen yard touchdown run as part of his seventy one yard effort on the ground. Derek Riccar threw for two eighteen and a score highlight yard was Eric Harris. He picks in the game including that one for a touchdown pretty special moment special moment for this team especially when for my teammates credit for a position and distrust with the win. The raiders go to five and four the chargers now four and six on the season the the week continues on Sunday a local battle with the giants taking on the jets. I get some of the Stuff out of the way with Jamal Adams and his team. We know that he met with the owner last week while well. He is finally met with his head coach and his gm all good now. That's how I talked to both adamant joke and also like I said I talked to Chris. Also also Mr Johnson but I did remember last week to when we were playing these atoms cuts. There was the one where he was discussing. How the future he wanted? That'd be here. Thought he would be here now. Not sure he'll be here. Well now it sounds like that as part of his Plan going forward again. I want to bring success organization. I want to bring a super bowl to this organization. That's that's that's why I feel like I was placed in New York to kind of pick off where my dad left off. You know what I mean. It's George Adams that's all right. I don't have any problem with that. No I'm saying that was a lot better than what we last one hundred percent Here's saquon Barkley speaking of DADS and fathers It'll be a tough day for his because he did grow up rooting for gangrene green is kind of weird because he has a tattoo so even if he whereas a saquon Barkley Jersey. He's still the jets. I'll be wearing a joe. Nemeth Bar a Jersey in the one he gave him as a matter of fact. He says that'll be split day. Oh my dad. He'd been a jet fan his whole life so Is He gonNa root for the justice. But he's going to be for the the giants and his his son at the same time that he was a jet fan growing up. Yeah Jerry you've got two boys one of them makes it into pro sports. Yeah plays for a team that you can't stand the eagles the Eagles redskins. y'All got you. What happens there score four touchdowns and lose really still? You're GONNA root for the team team that game to lose. Oh have go run for two hundred yards and score type two games. A division games lose both of them lose bowl touchdowns four hundred yards lose lose but then you want them to win every other sing and fly. Eagles fly over the redskins. I I the you know you want to you. He wants his the sun to play. Well lose against his team but not beat his team to the playoffs. You know you have to you know all right you have to root against your kid you know in order for are your Dallas cowboys the make it. Here's a scenario it's an NFC championship game. Yeah all right yeah. Matthew RECCO is the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles. The Dallas Cowboys and the Eagles are meeting for a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Yes what are we doing. I hope he throws for four hundred and fifty yards. Six touchdowns breaks boomer's records but they lose thirty eight thirty seven. This appointment to go to the superbowl. Life is full of disappointment. Greg I was just is praying to God that we didn't have the Stanley Cup at the wedding. I was praying to God we dealt with that would have been close. Come on Jerry. Yeah I don't Oh neither I probably okay probably. That'd be tough to do. You know what I I would actually grays. It would be to have like a connection like that a strong family member but playing for a jerk I would also think I would hate it because then it really becomes personal. You know what I'm saying like I can't even imagine it's one thing you know. Vikings lose mets lose Knicks lose. I'm a Noida right but I don't really know the rats when you know somebody that's involved in it. I mean that to me is like no. It sucks when you when you do know somebody. I know a lot of these guys anyway personally but you know if somebody gets hurt or something that it really sucks. You don't want that to happen to anybody at all so I can tell you just in four covering the giants and going into that. My whole family are giant fans. Accept me going into John. How I'm going to do this like two weeks in? I'm like all all right. This is a problem. I like Tiki Barber. Yeah he's such a nice guy and then you do find yourself rooting for them personally week to week. It was weird thing. Sure so yes. I'm sure I might get in. Of course the truth. Yes probably so here was Pat Shurmur. How's the season gone for? Are you wearing on you. How does it worry me bill for this? Because I know that we're on the right path and I know we're just a few plays from from getting getting over the top. Well they will start with a win this weekend over the jets if they can get over the top at least start moving in that direction NBA Tonight big game for the Knicks. Because they're replaying criticize seven games but when you play KRISTAPS PORZINGIS and you're in Dallas could be kind of fun for Zingers now. A member of the mavs he remembers there's New York fondly have nothing but love for the city of New York and and and the fans they show me so much support The time I was there I suppose not surprised. Reporters trying trying to go back to the events of him being dealt and traded he tries not to live in the past he says I can do is just look forward to what I have in front of me not behind and that's it. How signed a big contract? This contract huge for a guy who's never healthy. I mean he got himself some money like the Mavs did with him well. He's a little bit younger than kind of like with the nets with Kevin Durant. I just love the story this morning in the New York Post story about how Janas Jonah's Porzingis. His brother went to the Knicks and ask for a trade to either the clippers of the nets. Like he was that stupid. To believe that the Knicks were going to trade kristaps Porzingis Porzingas to the nets. Come on and what type of deal with that. Have Been Just they they really. They force themselves out. The Knicks didn't Wanna part of a meter anymore. Just got to that. I point it was a it was a mutual much too much drama too much worse than I mean just not so yeah. Let's go to fill in. Staten Island. Phil what's happening. Hey is this bona. Yeah senior Oh excellent excellent. Good Sanitation Workers Just going on right now. I JUST WANNA call you out on something. I remember last year. A question about the same thing and you said game seven shootout game when Matt Martin's Puck GonNa WanNa stick that you'd want him to beat the ranges in order to go and win this. I never said that I never say go on the same exact Al Al you wanted met disclose things go away no way al.. They're all the guys. If I said that filled they would confirm that I never said and I would've edited that Right Eddie would act. It's a good idea. I may actually do a little mock it first of all. I mean that. That's a hypothetical that's never happening. Right Matt Berry Trots is not putting the puck on that stick in a shootout. I'm sorry Oh you. Did it become an island or fan in the playoffs and the Rangers were out. You didn't that is the scenario in particular. No you never said that. I tried to be down down. The middle unbiased tried to the owner fan. What they needed to hear and I thought I did a very good job with that? I still do that but I I am not a fan you. How Family Times? What the morons morons officer the caller pugh? Why don't you just defended you you you did that particular scenario? You're right you. I never said that but during the playoff run last year you you were waffling. Listen Waffling about anything. I was doing my job as a you Wa- for its broadcast broadcaster. Talking about hockey and trying to bias you had you would have rather seen the islanders win than lose those playoff games now when they got swept by Carolina China. It hurt. Because you had her you had walked hurt hurt in all yes it did. You weren't piloted you were you hated it and conversely when we swept the penguins you were fired him. I can't stand the penguins for okay. Well it happen because you had waffled and you were on that side on on that aside the ring out of the playoffs. The didn't have to worry about them. And you gravitated towards gravitate towards anything you were gravitating. I was Graf's stop saying that wrong or saying wrong. It was a whole to the island right because of the personal thing that was going on and end on top of it the wedding it was lining up perfectly. And you thought how great would it be to have that Stanley Cup. They're going to God that it didn't show up he didn't i. I don't know exact opposite from what I recall now. The Rangers are in the playoffs. I really do believe you'd always take the Rangers in that spot. But they were out so you got an I got into to this last night with one of my guys on one of our TEX threads right. Oh you got to be rooting. It's family. Mike shot up to ranger games since nineteen sixty eight. It's it's like I don't tell me that I that I all of a sudden. My my daughter decides to marry an islander that all of a sudden. I'm going to become an islander not happening. Yeah well we start to vacillate a little bit. I'm seeing. I'm not sleeping at all. I I've hung out with Clark Gillies and I've heard him tell the same. Damn snail jokes like for ten in years. You know and I laugh. Every time he says you know why because I respect them I appreciate them. He's somewhat funny. Yes but I don't root for his team because of his snail jokes folks how about this twenty thirty eight little mattie Martin Junior now a member of the islanders game seven Eastern Conference finals. There's GRANDPA A boomer hasn't seen the Stanley Cup Championship since nineteen ninety four and little mattie Martin Junior has a chance to send the islanders to the Stanley only cup finals rooting for now. There's bloody this ain't a son-in-law is your grandson. That's totally now I'm putting these new greatest. Put me in one you know. Look for Matt and for who he is and the kind of young a young man he has and everything else. Yes I mean. I would hope that. Someday he gets the taste of a championship somewhere along the line. But that doesn't mean I'm rooting for that team. I'm rooting for him. Even if you've grandsons on it with a chance at a breakaway in Henrik Lundqvist is still congress. I don't think so. Stop so to me. This is easy. I I mean you could say that I'm a guy I don't have is as much passion for the team or what I don't know I mean then then call me that to me. It's easy it's family over everything with this. Who who cares so personal man care of these guys? I think there was a chance that Mac could have went to the rangers and I would've happened. That would've been less but I told them I said. I don't think now's a good time for you to go to the rain so if you can stay away from them and go back to the islanders that might be better. I mean that's how I it. It worked out great for him right. Sure he forced his way away from the Rangers. That was just telling now I think that maybe the maple leafs might have given them an opportunity attorney Duke because they had such respect for them that maybe they would have made something happen. I if he wanted to go to the rangers had a steer Frank Reich from the jets. Yeah that was more about me than it was about him. I say thank God every day that he did not get that job. Job for that for that Maryland for that matter. Speaking of your Rangers or win last night takeaway doesn't play by public. Give it put the Rangers up three one. They would beat the hurricanes four to two Henrik Glenn. Quiz does not in his fifties or sixties. But he'd make forty five saves last night in the win or Teheran scores his eighth goal of the season and Brendan Lemieux power. Play goal in the second. How many shot attempts the hurricanes had last night I was sixty five ninety? They put ninety pucks towards the net jess ninety. They from the high slot. I mean there was a guy sitting out there and nobody not near him. I don't know what Marc Staal was doing half the night but they won the game and won the game all matters Henrik was unbelievable. Last two games. He's turned back. The Clock Abbey Butler New Jersey. What's up abby? Hey I'm calling because I wanted to chime in on the kids Being playing professional athletes. Because I used to teach Charles alsways daughter and I talked Charles way about this when After he played the giants when he was working for the giants and he used to say that he grew up in eagles. Fan and every His parents they were like little set when he became a giant fan because obviously eagleton giants Benton and competition for years but then he said that over time his parents and everyone became giant fans because they kept going giants games they kept going to the parties and all the family things and over and over and over time they realize oh the giants organization is a good organization and then they slowly became giant. I think it's different for boomer and Sun because Oh you're in the sports world you go to a lot of ranger things you do a lot of things for years so it's a little different from a family that can you know. Throw themselves into a new. Yeah I was obvious very right because you know what the The Islanders Donovan mean anything. So they always try to move from me so whether it be the players or Mac Sydney and the islanders mooch off it will not not not the organization you gotTa play. Downright picture like Lou Lamoriello Texan. Hey Hey can we play golf. Yeah I guess so. Can we eat. Yeah I guess so I think backwards by the way the problem is is that what because you guys changed teams left and right as opposed to the fans that usually don't well I. I'm not changing teams. You don't see the cardinal range the jets players changed teams. You Change Your allegiances while you're signed the contract that the problem is the hockey players and the players that I do know. Ah Matt's closest friends. They are great guys. They are the and it's and it's so hard to root against them but you know when they are planning the Rangers. I don't see them as those guys. I see them as a bunch of knuckleheads going around and orange and blue. That's all knuckleheads lost to the penguins last night. Four three in overtime after they led three nothing. They have their ten game winning streak go by the boards. Brian Rust scored a COUPLA goals. One in the third and then the game winner in overtime devils lost to the flames. Five Live to New Jersey is an Edmonton later tonight. And there's one thing. I forgot the new pitching coordinator for the Yankees is Matt Blake from the Indians. thirty-three-year-old your old coach right. Yeah he's not. The new. Pitching coordinator coordinate. Coaching coach is the pitching coordinator. By mistake I apologize. College is that so. We'll check. Check Day fats. I'm not so sure that's all I got. Because he's so much smarter than I am. Glad after as look the big belly hangs over the belt I I I. It's unbelievable just like right to it. It's easy it was such like angered disdain. Because he's got his finger on that button like literally every minute. I'm in here. Yes he does waiting because people don't realized that there is a lot of pressure that he's GonNa do can't wait. Uh All right no you did say pitching coordinator. That's okay. I was just confused a little bit for my pitching coordinator right but you say the Yankees new. Pitching coordinator is this might be doing that too. It was technically might not be wrong. All right thank motion tether tactical esteem is what we're looking at your door. I remember saying It's the morning show with boomer. ESIASON and Gregg Giannotti boomer arrange joining us in studio right now former Dallas Cowboy also work for ESPN. For many years Darren Woodson Darren. Esteem Duck with crown royal to invite fight fans headed to the cowboys game on gaming the Vikings this weekend to participate in the Crown Royal Purple bag project with a chance to assemble care packages for veterans and active uh-huh Duty Service members overseas. Darren good morning thanks Lauren. That's our you. Thanks for having me. So how the hell did the cowboys lose to the jets. There you go. I listen I I think the one thing about the cowboys that we've seen as being inconsistent. They started off the season winning three straight games. And you know I think there was a lot of hope and a lot of promise in in that offense really Hamad Dak Prescott was getting the ball down the field. This wasn't just a running game you know. In the years past. They've been running the ball. You know getting five six yards built behind that office of line and and Zeke Elliot and we saw in the first three games at they really started throwing the ball expanding the field using abusing dax arm to be explosive and they were highly successful and then all of a sudden thinks flipped and attributed as far as they lost three straight games. And you can't blame it all on injury but you play without your to your two tackles you left and right tackle you play without you. Know Amari Cooper against the jets sure sure and teams. Hey listen good teams overcome injuries. They didn't overcome those injuries and and and fell. They fell short so I I'm looking at this team as far whereas what I saw against the Philadelphia Eagles and they bounce back and play with a lot of energy they play with passion on both sides of the ball. I think that's the team that I would put up against. Anyone is just. Are we going to continue to see that team. We didn't see it against the giants this past week. In the first half in the second half they woke up and played extremely well. So you know I. I think this team has dental personnel wise. Just not sure how consistent they can be weakened as you know. They just need to be playing their best football in December December. Absolutely that's what. They need to be playing their best football and they are the odds on favorite to win the east so I I think that they're going to be plenty and there's no question about it then. The question is does the experiences from last year. That allowed back. Now take them to the next step and get the big contract that everybody feels like he deserves to you. Do you think that he deserves absolutely. Let's let's just give me put an arbitrary number thirty five billion a year fro at say six years. That's the asking price. Oh boom I mean. That's what that's where quarterbacks are going. Oh you know oh I just have changed with you on that one but at the same time I. That's the asking price the quarterback position. I think oh my I have a real estate company that officers at the Star in Frisco we overlook the practice field and we can see guys practice weekend daly and understand who they are Dak.. Prescott sets the temple every single day. I guy out there. He's throwing balls even invaded. They win or lose games on Sundays. He's the first or sky out there on Monday. Throws off fan base loves and the players. Love Him I think. His game is elevating. They're asking more of him. Coming more in an offense is asking more of him to be the superstar quarterback that he can possibly be is he always. Is he going to be boomer size. It'd be the most accurate guy in the world. No He's not very good at the same time. You're watching him. Make plays in grow into the role as a as a big time quarterback and I think that team has a a lot of faith in them. I think ownership needs to find out a way to pay this man to make him happy because he is the leader in that line. I agree we're talking to Darren. What's it you know I agree with you? He should be paid. The question is is how much is really what it comes down to. So I had of all the teams that you played for you. Three Super Bowls in Dallas. which was the best team? You thought that you had what year ninety to ninety two or ninety two top to bottom. I will say when you came into the meadowlands. We play John. I was with the jets and ninety three. That was like a wave fence was like a wave. You had like ten defensive lineman say only played each half the game so when the fourth quarter started. It was like they were fresh and ready to go our offensive lineman or on the field the entire game. Battling What seemed like ten debate? There was a defense of linemen but it was it was a tremendous the one of the great it has to be one of the greatest teams you as one of the greatest teams. Absolutely absolutely absolutely I think this just from top to bottom you mentioned the defensive line would rotate in and out and we had so much depth. I mean you personnel. I think teams could match up with us. You know personnel. Listen wise maybe I team but then our second team wave that came in matched at first team and and Jimmy Johnson did a great job of hiring the right coaches. which is the norv Turner's the Dave Wass? Butch Davis is the you know Dave Campbell's guys coaches that ended up becoming head coaches down the line and he did a good job of delegating and being able to control personalities. Michael Irvin was a personnel nate Newton. Charles Haley he was able to control those personalities and push the right buttons when we needed to. And I'm a firm believer Jimmy Johnson Hall of fame coach. You and he needs to be an hall and ninety two was your rookie year. You're saying that was the best team that you were on. What was that like trying to integrate yourself into one of the Great Dino Rookie? It was it was almost like you. Don't meet out there in the dog's got hunt uh-huh and I remember Jimmy San to me personally. Look if you're gonNA play you'd better show intensity during the week practice in any given day you. If you had a bad practice practice your job was on the line period and I was a guy. I didn't start my rookie year. I was upset the entire my entire rookie year because I was not oughta start. Or who is the safety in front of you. It was Thomas ever who they brought. James Washington was the other safety and I was the third or fourth guy they had me playing nichols covering tight ends and slot receivers my first game in my first year and it was in practice where we were talking all the time about you better if you WANNA keep that job You better you better practice hard so it was. It was a tough situation. Because the WHO's your best teammate. Or your favorite team as so many of them and I mean you know Brock Marion one of my best friends. Kevin Smith Guy came in with my rookie year. Larry Brown Tony Tolbert Diaz Anders. Listen people all dion you you know you serve you spend time with talking about a personality talk about the energy say about boomer. Actually it's funny. We were just talking about this morning because it's come out that his name has surfaced in regards to the Florida State Head coaching job. What what do you think about that? I interesting I didn't know I know I Look I I know Diaz Coaching in Dallas at Trinity Christian For for last year's coaching his son as a matter of fact the sun's going to be a kid that's going to get you know recruited heavily in and play somewhere but he has a passion for the game eh and he wants to be involved and I think that's you know if it happens to go that way then. Hey He's a Florida state alum and you know I'm no he. Would it definitely want to be involved. Willie Taggart the previous coach was saying that he had conversations with the antibiotic become in the defensive backfield coach. Oh but I don't see no he's GonNa hit. You got to be the guy. So what's going on with the the hall of fame here. I mean you're a guy three time superbowl champion in your five pro bowls for first team all pros you are in the Dallas Cowboys Ring of honor that's not like the Arizona cardinals ring of honor no Disrespect for the Dallas Cowboys. Ring of honor. They shot yes bengals but I thought that was not as well so they have a ring of honor with anybody so I mean I have to think that you're a guy that's that's close right. I mean what's going on. Well listen I don't I don't make the decisions. I wish. I wish I could make those decisions but when it happens I honestly feel like it's going to happen at some point. Not sure when but I just can't get myself look. There's so many guys that are deserving to get into the hall of fame you know I played with and against guys guys like Leroy Butler who was phenomenal football player. Carnell Lake who never got the recognition. When I came into the League I modeled my game after Carnell L. Lake because he played multiple positions? You know I was the same guy. Plays Safety I played abroad. Wants like Rod Woodson. Played The cornerback. I played the nickel guy a covert slot receiver covered the best tight ends. I mean there was a lot that was asked for me so I used to watch rotting karnal play at a high level. And that's that's what I'm out of my game but I can't sit here and say hey look you know I deserve this or I should be this you know. The writers are going to make that decision and I got a little room though. It's a tough room because I talk. Got A guy who are in their one of the things that you probably have working against you as you were on one of the greatest teams at Multiple Hall of famers part of the conversation. We're GONNA put another council. Hey I in the buffalo bills one through this exactly and I get it. Let me I would say my argument would be this. We won the first game not fifty to seventeen right. We had nine turnovers in that game. we won the second Super Bowl because James James Washington defense turn the ball over three three sometimes but the third super bowl was won. Larry Brown had two interceptions. The clothes that game defensively we won. I mean we won championships and I get it. Offense played extremely well and they much deserve it but we did play some defense. Keep away on offense. It was a thing everybody was so precise on offense. But when I think of you you're fourteen your four time first team all pro. That's that not how many people can say that. And that's the thing I think some kinds guys get lost is get forgotten about believe it or not and I must have forgotten about it. Because I think anybody's ever played against who knows what you stood for and how you played. We have guys like Joe Klecko and Kenny Anderson. Faster year that just nobody even talks about exactly. Joe Klecko Man Dan right so so I understand but they're going to do this fifteen person class this year here. I'm sure you're aware of it. So it was GONNA be this hundred year anniversary fifty fifteen person pro pro football hall of fame class. I can't see how you're not a part of that. How will you not a part of the APPRAI- that I am but you know again I control the and I'm not asking your politics for yourself but the thing about it is is that this is a blue ribbon panel yes that is basically? It's not even the voters anym- yeah around. Some of the voters are on the blue ribbon panel so there is some controversy that is tied to this but whoever the Blue Blue Ribbon panel selects. They're going can't there's no vote so I'm learning something. Yeah so I would think giving your history. I'm not on the Blue Ribbon panel but I will say given your history your success and everything. I don't know how you're not on that. We put you on a and Jerry Jones valid. I think you and I think one one of the reasons they're doing this. At least the cynical part of me says is that this way they can get Paul Tagliabue Eddie fight against him for whatever ever reason. I don't know I'm not. I'm not every single. One of you guys has merit and every single person that they put in as you've just we'll have to we'll have the background and the justification it'd be put in as a but it's under a different set of circumstances than the previous enshrines. That's going to be the controversy exactly talking to Darren Woodson here with Crown Royal and we'll talk more about what's happening in Sunday night football with the cowboys in Vikings and the purple bag project In a second you being a hall of fame Caliber Defensive Back. We have a guy who believes that he's that already with the New York jets Jamal. Addison there's been a lot of controversy around Damase right from that area. There was some rumors their trades. Whatever I think they're there? He's on the same page now. Finally with the jet so I need to question one Jamal Adams on the field you see from him in the future and also the way that he sort of handled this this whole trade situation. I want to get your thoughts okay. Well let's start with the way. He handled the Detroit situation. I I think the judge gm you know his name. I can't remember Douglas Handle handle the situation. The right way he's got Phil Calls. You have to feel call. He's got to do his job. And I don't think as players we can get emotional in that sense. It has to be the Kamala Harris has to get over it. He's a great football player and teams are attracted in want him and that's that's a positive with the team that he's planning on doing well. It's got a new coach for change. Yes exactly so he should be honored in the fact that team like a Dallas cowboys making a call and say hey look we want did you know and and other teams probably the same way I look at this kid. I don't think he's a phenomenal football player. I don't know him have never met. Jamal Adams all I can do is was turned film on and see the way he carries himself and he carries himself like a superstar football player. A leader a guy that plays with tenacity a guy that plays with energy he. No he reminds me of. He reminds me a Brian Dawkins in a Lotta ways. What you know the energy that he played that that he plays within the the being available on on every Sunday and a guy that just you know win lose or draw which are GONNA get you? You WanNa go like that to cowboys. Cowboys are missing a player like that that that type of personality a guy who's not going to back down yet will he make every play. Probably not wait. I believe in passing game. Maybe so but a guy with that energy they already have that guy on the side of the ball in Dak Prescott. They don't have the guy on the defense side of the ball. He is a guy that could come into ball. Adams is a guy that could come in into that cowboys locker room and demand respect and not be be the most light guy and probably won't even care to be but you know on Sunday what you're going to now we talked about earlier. Dion does a thing where he mentors players and something's going on with a guy will call them up the way. You're talking about Jamal Adams with your career and your respect Garner for just being you and what you've done in your life did you ever think about coal and a guy like Jamal Adams me like man like what you're doing here just trust me on this one is if I'm listening to you you know he's probably probably got a million people calling bull crap. You're saying what needs to be said I haven't met on. He's a he's a Dallas Kit Carrollton. Hopefully I can meet them this off season. I watch his game and appreciate his game but you know listen. I'm sure there's a lot of people in his ear. If I ever catch him alone he can have that conversation. I probably would impart that On him but is I'll watch the jets basically to watch him play it. Yeah I I don't think people realize just how good you were. And how great the teams were you play truly. It was a painting the as planning I people always say like. Who is the best defensive back you ever played against for me? I saw Rod Woodson a lawyer and I saw him at three different positions. You know and I saw him playing a hybrid linebacker. For God's sake no it's like that was like your team your everybody was like your size. Yeah Iq linebackers where you're exactly everybody was like you go out. In the field you have four behemoths in front of you. And then everybody's running around like a four six forty four five forty pace offensive of four five. That's a barrier. Yeah it was just incredible. How fast they were but they weren't very big big? We're undersized Spice and and again you know the waves distraught tunnel waves at you defensive line all right. Let's talk about what's happening on Sunday night. Cowboys Vikings the Crown Royal. Oh purple bag project where you have the chance to assemble care. Packages for veterans and active duty service members Overseas perfect game to be doing it right in the salute to service month with the NFL season of giving and it's You know the better as as coming up on Monday. And the crown royal pullback project will begin this this Sunday November for seventh against. I'm sorry November tenth. This week against the Dallas cowboys planned the Vikings at Cowboy Stadium. One thing you're going to see is outside outside of gate a Kiro Crown Royal House a bar inside Dallas cowboys right outside that bar gate a at between four and seven. PM they'll they'll be macron will be given out bags basically you can come in. Just show up. You don't have to bring anything show up. Do you can fill the bag up. And we'll send those bags overseas to our military veterans and. That's why I'm here. Today was support. The Crown Royal Bag Project based on that day. They're giving away accessories to our military veterans terance overseas. And all you have to do is show up packed. Help pack the bags that's awesome and that's got to be a great feeling to not exactly where it's going. That's gotta be a rewarding thing for everybody. WHO participates participates Darren? It was a pleasure having you here. We're having we all hear your name because boy there ain't going there man. It's the morning show with boomer. esiason and Greg Nadi boomer and Geo pick an autograph out there Jerry. What's in no no? I figured you would very nice. I said Heidi and just like Oh. Hey Jerry Bushy Cowboy and Darren Woodson as the play life for them now. I know who is that's out. I mean no I. I've never losses for my kids. I think Herschel Walker. The picture with my favorite cowboy of all time took a picture with Paul Bart Mall Cop. My son had just watched the movie. Kevin James the wrestlers. I'll take the picture unless I'm in here doing filling in I don't have I mean I don't think protection. What's it three times Jamie with your team? True a more uneven. Take a picture of them. Yeah I don't think a more upset that I didn't remember to bring a football into get it. Signed for charitable blew it. There got right especially when he gets inducted into the hall of fame. Get a little more shine on that football. That would have been pro football blue. Jerry I blew it all right. He got an update for us. If you'd like brought to you by direct energy business helping large businesses buy and use less energy and we will start talking about Darren Woodson how about the NFL last night. It began in Oakland and the raiders through nine games. Now over five hundred hundred takes the snap. You'll handle tickets. redhead across the fifteen breaks a tackle Ted across the five zone touchdown raiders. Aw Josh Jacobs explodes up the middle for an eighteen yard. Touchdown run with one or two ago. The raiders have taken the lead Oakland. twenty-six chargers twenty four years Ryan Radke Westwood one on the fan part of a seventy one yard effort on the ground for Jacobs that touchdown put the raiders in front. They would be in front to stay twenty six twenty four the final score Eric Harris couple of picks in this game including a fifty six yard return for a touchdown. Here was Anthony Lynn. His team simply didn't play good enough football the ball over. We know that you know we turned it over. They didn't and that's certainly can be the big equalizer. Here's Jon Gruden. His team keeps battle through this. This says a lot about our team. Are we allowed to resilient guys. They'RE GONNA keep compete. You may beat us but we're going to be hard out to get now. Let me ask you this boomer. He was pretty outward how much she hates Thursday night football. They gotTa Win on Thursday night football now they get kind of like a mini by. They do it so the back end of it. As long as somebody gets seriously injured last night is a good thing especially when you win for the chargers. They don't play again until Monday night of next week. And that is down in Mexico City the against the chiefs so they actually even have a little bit long time off but I still like none of us. Whoever went through it and played and Thursday night football liked IT I? I played my last year on a Thursday night football game and I hated it. You're old my plate and I was like Oh man this is like get ramped up in three days. It was almost impossible hospitals or mental or physically mentally. I mean you know you at this point in time of the season you know you got all your stuff down. Everything's good and you're fine but but it's it's the physical aspect of it. Giants take on the jets Sunday at one more traditional start here is pat. Shurmur team has struggled for the start of the season. He says clubs got urgency. Just like you know you coach in play every game like it's a playoff game and you're trying to do everything you can to win. Sure uh-huh yes exactly. Here's saquon Barkley. His Dad's a jet fan so we figured this day might happen is dead and stands not worrying giant gear. Day I I I know the situation. You'RE GONNA come about one day but I'm happy for them. You know how would the jets fan growing up to So as it's going to be a little fun. Competition Barclays physically. Okay how is Barkley feeling there were some that. Say he still doesn't look right. I feel like I'm supposed to now as week whatever and NFL the data was a little sore. And so he's no different in terms of the jets here is Jamal Adams he did clear the air as we know. Joe Douglas and Adam Gays The jets giants this week. Is it still fun. Is it still relevant to me every game but especially this one you know what I mean. You know we're looking forward to this and it's GonNa be it's GonNa be fun atmosphere You know I wish Evan. ENGRAM was playing. Because that's definitely you know who I wanted to match up with but this definitely GonNa be fun long. And he's out sterling. Shepard was actually not that he was practicing but he was on the field at least yesterday. Better imagine there's GonNa play no no the thing about the jets and the the giants the giants have given the ball away twenty two times and the jets have given it away. Seventeen Times is easy to understand why they are where they are. In the standings three and fourteen eighteen combined. We not exactly the matchup. We thought we might have when the season began. I'm reminded of before the season began. Pick the jets to win the AFC East you did. Wow Yeah. They've got one. Remember my mistake I apologize. In that regard. You are so so right so right tonight. The Knicks visit the Mavericks and that means kristaps Porzingis. Here's Porzingas so so what led to the trade back back in today. He probably get in trouble. If I started talking about that stuff. You know it is what it is you know it's it's it wasn't ideal imposing keeping all that in the rear view mirror new place and I'm I'm I'm looking forward to the future. I don't want to go back through much and bring that stuff. He's having the conversation with the media. Something intense going on in the background the game like I'm more. Aw focused on just playing my game. I haven't been playing well in the last couple of Sane because I was screaming in the background steps four years poor thing is nick. Fans not happy with him he gets it. They're so passionate about the team you know. So that's it's normal that they feel that way so yeah exactly and then you had Also last night the Clippers beat the blazers one zero seven one zero one Kawhi Leonard had himself one heck of a fourth quarter on the right wing to his left. Tolls it up from eight hundred any got to go it rattles home for coli lettered at it gives the clips the lead back ninety four ninety three twenty one points for the claw and he had twenty seven. Eighteen came in the fourth quarter as they came from behind in one. No Egos the call and clippers radio. You see bizarre this whole NBA Clippers thing was yesterday with resting yes so the the NBA had agreed on the medical records. Saying that Kawhi Leonard needed rest for his knee me so they didn't find them for the load management stuff with national TV games however they find them fifty thousand dollars because doc rivers said that he he felt great. He's never felt better. He's feeling great so because his public comments were that feeling great they find him fifty thousand dollars but but not for resting him but for the comment. So what is the policy exactly. I don't know if they know that is just weird and confusing and I don't know if they're trying to fix something that may not be fixable because we were talking about like NBA teams arresting their stars ars and they're having like facts over medical information to the NBA. Like I was even legal. I don't know the nets are paying a guy that's not even playing has no chance applying and not just paying them three eight million dollars. I'm saying bringing well someone who's going to sign them. Yeah right what else. He'd beat the suns ends one. Twenty four one thousand eight. Jimmy Butler had thirty four. The Yankees Hiring Matt Blake as their pitching coach. He was previously a pitching coordinator with the Indians. And then your rangers last last night boomer another good win through sit around. Canary hits doing faces. It down but doubted scar. Go good feed for Brian Strom. Polaris with the finish gave the Rangers one. Nothing lead wound the beating the hurricanes. Four to Brendan lemieux. Power Play Goal Pavel Buchnevich the eventual game winning goal here and centric made forty five saves four to five for the Rangers Rangers. Now on a good little streak now. The islanders had a heck of a streak. It was ten in a row. But that's where it ends. They lose to the penguins four three in overtime in a game that they lead three nothing in the third period. Here's Gary Trots. He says no killer instinct you have someone down and you gotta stay on them and we we passive and we didn't they had a push at you know they had a push games against Boston. Came came running back so That on US Brian Rust with the game winner Guinea Malkin the game tying goal and so- eleven in a row is not to be for the aisles. And the devils lost to the flames. Five to two in Calgary New Jersey will be in Edmonton later tonight. So I'm now four moment of the day which is brought to you buy Resorts World Casino in Queens over sixty five hundred games this is how. NYC Rolls Royces. Today we ultimately go with me misspeaking speaking last hour and Eddie ready to pounce and strike. He's not gonNA pitching coordinator. I say coordinate. Coaching coach is the pitching coordinator. My mistake I apologize. We'll check check day fats. I'm not so sure that's all I got because Edi so much smarter than I am. Glad if there is look I. It's it's unbelievable just went like right to it. It's easy. It was such like angered disdain. Because he's got his finger on that button like he does waiting so you're basically has people don't realize that there is a lot of pressure the way of course not all right now you did say pitching coordinator. That's okay. It was just confused a little bit from my coordinator right but you said he'd the Yankees new pitching coordinator exist. I mean he might be doing that too. So technically Iran all right thanks tether tactical esteem. What we're looking at your door not proud of moment of the day Let's check the tape. Fatso one of my new favorite Jerry. RECCO not not necessarily. We'll check tape. Fats it's the morning show with boomer Esiason Zion in Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo talked on the doctor that in week nine I was the only one with a winning record three into last week Jerry. Two and three and boomer Owen five saw get out so believe it or not even after the the Owen five week boomer is still in first place by one game twenty five twenty one and Oh roll out twenty five and twenty one. I'm I'm in second twenty four and twenty two jerry. Third Twenty and twenty six. Today's football picks are brought to you by brother. Supply your number one source rice syrup tax or source heat pumps and fan coils by REX. Real Estate Paling two percent to sell your home and by winners brothers long number one choice for waste removal and recycling services and of course by prop swab which sponsors the owl five dollar five team parlay that you go watch right now on twitter. All Right Jerry serve a lot my demand five games for you Sunday we start Detroit at Chicago. The bears giving two and a half points. I've been on the lions almost every single week. I think that they're better than their record. Says that they are on both sides of the ball and I believe that they are building something in the NFC north. That scares me a little bit as a Minnesota Vikings Fan. I also so think that the Chicago bears are in disarray and offensively. They're a mess in hearing. Mitch Trubisky Talk About Shutting the. TV's off in the building makes me think that he is really in a downward spiral viral. The Detroit lions are a good team. They're going to win this game. I cannot imagine that the bears are going to save their season against a good football team in division. Game like this I I love the lions with my first pick. Boy is one of those pressure points where I think the home team has got to respond man. Their defense has been playing. Good did I. Not Mix is out for them whether reasons why they are not playing as well as they should be man. This is like one of those last Dan Games and I'm GonNa ago the home team here the bears because this is one of those games where they lose it. The next day is going to be miserable much was last week than teams around here here. So I'm going to take the bears and I'm GonNa think and believe that Matt Nagy Somehow. Some way is GonNa get his team to a win. Here's your Harris Allen Logic. I'll put my way Matt Nagy Stinks. Mitchell trubisky stinks in there kicking stinks. I'll take the lions game number two bills at the BROWNS CLEVELAND. Giving up two and a half points have if you follow these lines and you follow Vegas the thing to do the sharp thing to do as they say his. Take the Cleveland browns here. Because something doesn't seem team right. The browns are so bad. The bills are wildcard team. Right now the line being a browns favored lines doesn't make any sense. So that's what the smart thing thing to do would be. I'm not going to do the smart thing. I'm sorry. This Cleveland Browns team has got major major flaws. They don't have a head coach. That has any idea what they're doing. Their quarterback back looks like a detective that got fired drinking on the job and their defense albeit a good defensive line after that you never feel like they come up with the big stop in a big moment of the game. So Buffalo is more well-coached they'll be able to control the game a little bit and we have not seen Josh Allen. Play as well as he did last year at any point this year. I think that he shows up in a big way in this game on the road. You gimme the buffalo bills. I got sucked into the line. And I'm taking a bill. I'm going to take the browns last stand game at home Baker Mayfield Freddie Kitchens and those fans man you talk about pressure points. That's exactly it was. The bears are dealing with. This is exactly what the browns are dealing with. This is their season is on the line. I some weird reason because maybe the bills. I haven't beat a team with a winning record. I think they're good. I just don't think they're great. I'll take myles Garrett in the browns defense to get a few turnovers in this game and I don't like this game. I think the browns to invite field goal. I have no reason to believe they will win. But I don't like the bills either so I'll take Cleveland minus two and a half Rams at steelers Pittsburgh a home underdog getting three and a half points you. I've really underestimated the steelers. The entire year I seem to pick against almost every opportunity already. I get and I'm GonNa do it again. I still don't love their offense when they're pressured into having to rely on it to win a football game. I mean they still have issues at running back. Jalen Samuels showed up last week and played well and Mason Rudolph his answer the call but it's really about their defense defense there and when they get tested against a team like the rams with their short passing game. I think there's going to be a lot of pressure on that defensive win the game. The offense won't be able to respond. I like the rams in this spot. GimMe La there is a man in. This man's name is Aaron Donald. Where did Aaron Donald Play College Football Football Geo at Pitt and I watched it with my own two eyes? I'm taking Aaron Donald and the Rams on the road in his hometown essentially Pittsburgh it is go down. The steelers steeler should've lost the call last week. I'm going to take L. A.. Go into Heinz field and win this with the three or other minus three and a half giant all do that last a Sunday night football vikings. At and T.. Stadium against the cowboys. The cowboys given up three points was another one of those spots at everything says cowboys. Right Kirk cousins Zain's on the road national. TV Game Not a spot for him kirk cousins record against the NFC east and the cowboys when he was there with a member of the Washington Washington redskins not good. But I have to stick with my formula with the Minnesota Vikings. You put the Vikings indoors. They find a way to win. You stick them outdoors on a row. They always lose. If they had won some Al Against Kansas City. I would have picked them to lose this game because they thought that they would split when I looked to games games back to back. I think that the vikings offense actually gets done kirk cousins plays well survey says. I'm so negative with him. I'm saying he's playing well on national. TV against the cowboys. Aloys and the Vikings win football game Dave Cowboys Jerry. How `bout them cow bounce them? How about how about the way that they've played last week about the way that they they finally got it going after initially stubbing their toe against the giants? Now Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Zeke Elliott having an easy one hundred forty yards on the ground around against the giants or however many yards. It was we say the New York giants Cowboys Sherry at home So Am I. I like the fact that they won last week. Going own away in a game that I didn't think they played all that well. The game was closer than the final score indicated. I will take the cowboys. Because they're the best team in football right. Now I'm getting Giants lights at jets Sunday at one tremendous amount of interest nationally in this as these two teams looking for their second win. The jets are getting two and a half points as the home team Eh. We've been saddled with the Chore To Have To Watch these two teams every single week for four quarters. I mean and it is terrible. It's one of the worst jobs you could possibly have in. Sports talk is to watch both of these teams every week. Sucks you got a fantasy team. They want to pay attention to the gambling. Things you want to pay attention to and then your eyes are glued to this crap. It's insufferable. Luckily they play each other so we don't have to waste now six seven hours of our day just one one particular game so thank goodness for that. Because I've watched so much of this garbage I feel pretty good about my pick. Okay it's The New York giants. The giants are playing better. I know the giants lost five in a row but just watching these. They're playing better on both sides of the ball than the New York jets are. It's as simple as that. I can't see the jets putting anything together of any semblance of positivity in the NFL but a

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The Broken Dave Kanyan

The Broken Comic Podcast

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The Broken Dave Kanyan

"The views information. Is expressed during a broken common podcast or solely those of the individuals involved and do not represent the creator of set podcast that broken calming podcast is not verified for accuracy of any statements contained within the interviews. So don't sue me because I don't have any money Bunko POPs on have much of a value yet enjoyed. Hey y'all this is episode eleven up the broken comic podcast yet get started. Welcome to the broken comic podcast with your host Ronin, pain. Hey y'all that's checking out the broken comic podcast. I am your host Vernon Pain Hobby been man I've been. I've been wearing a face to in New York City and finally back to work, which is cool that do have to say that I've really enjoyed working like everyone else. I'm not working his few moments because it got a few things. I learned how to how to make some extra alcoholic drinks even medicine all mazing alcoholic icees I wouldn't a bit harder to make some fantastic socialist chicken fish I killed a cooking game. One One of the most important thing learn about myself is the reason why broken and I decided to correct this podcast but a year or so ago my mind was removed from the whole concept. And that's because. The hardships of being the comedian really got to me. In the in the ten plus years of doing stand up I felt like I was always looked down. When I first started in Albany I would just. Run and of course I saw when I started to get some some good weight underneath my jokes. At phobic, I was still discouraged from the people. Every every comic needs a good mentor and a chance now remember. There was a group of comics that was chosen by a club owner to. And I was left out. Owner asked him who are shooting I should bring in my name was brought up by multiple people but I was just put to the fuck inside. That same owner I bust. My Ass to win a competition to host for the club in the headliner for neck. Another comic cool was his fucking favorite for whatever God reason was supposed to host our early show and I was supposed to host the late show. I arrive early for the first show because one study, the headliner and the crowd, and the host, which is what you're supposed to do as a comedian at or even just a hosting post to see what's up before you go on and. While I'm while I'm chilling with the comic person. Who was supposed to host for the first show? He's shown the back just eaten. Some travel tom it's about fifteen minutes of the show start and ask him if you talk to the health headliner and feature to get their name and the credit. So so he can say. What he needs to say, bring them up. He didn't even think of that which fucked me because as a host, you are the face of the Shera. Scrambled get the names and when the show starts now, only cup, but he fucked up the features and the. Fame accredits. The Way Staff Learns this tells a club. Arrived them take them off the show or tell him all for fucking up. He has that do take my spot as hosts in the beginning. So he's the first thing that audience is. And then he'd brings me up. And I'm like, that's Kinda. fucked up man. You know. Not only did I bust my ass to try to impress you. But bus master to witness fucking competition and you have someone else come right above the fuck that what kind of should is that All my time up there. All I've tried to do was you show him my chops at sit And that's and that's what you're supposed to do as a comedian if you have the chance to do so. Remember that. There was There was this Boston come. There was this Boston comedy competition of. The idea of each time and each time I did. I got sorta close. That's so the first year I dated. A past the first round fucked up. The second time I did it. I pass a first and second fucked up the next one last time I did I got all rounds I got to the fucking finals and I don't remember exactly believe that I tied for second or third. Parties. The people who came in Third. Other person that came in second and third with and the and the and the other person one. They all guys stage time. For the show was over for future show Yoga's as time and I was still put to the flock inside. You know I houses how is that supposed to make you feel that you bust your ass to get so fucking far, and then when you get the When we get far show someone what you really got. You still give the fuck aside. What the fuck. How am I supposed to like? Almost feel. And I remember. A friend of mine who was like cool whip the cool. The owner who is like always game but by. And the owner Tokyo. Vernon, furnace goodman is he's he's and better. That's what's up. You know and he knows he knows this. and. If you know this, wouldn't you give someone a fucking chance if you haven't give them a chance to whole fucking time when they costly show you how good they are. I would think you would do that. But Now? And the and the same shit happened on the street local level of lead you. Levy comics comics. You know I'm just tired of show myself in getting no respect. And listen. I've had some good show was here and there, and they got a little bit of love shows but after bust my ass in getting nothing. and. When I moved here exceeding is the same thing you know I bust my ass to get auditions. Idea at the the might upset the different and interesting podcast. But my whole idea was to not do should add the street level my idea west against the clubs. That's all I ever wanted to. Supposed to the club got because I know how fucking heart is being street level I don't WanNa be out there fucking bark until one o'clock in the morning i WanNa be bright in the club so I can show the owner in the booker, how game and Give me a chance or become good. Let me develop nuts. Why can I can show you even more that you? That you would invest it. That your investment in me was valid. You know. Why not fucking do that? Remember There was this there was. There was time. When I was broke. So broke. So fucking broken having my you take the train. To Go to comedy club late at night. And you had to be at the comedy club by a third hour too late night spot and was freezing cold. So I walked from a midtown. Manhattan all the way up to the upper east side just to do five minutes at the late night show. To sign up and like I turned away. Broke. Face freezing, my future freezing I'm walking through central park at night where it's fucking dark and anything can happen. And I get that I get I get turned away and. Part of me is just broken. After. Like US my last little bit of mind to give back fucking home. With broken fan like, Hey, I thought. You No. One wants to the no one wants me. The puck. I'm sorry. Then cursing so much like when I? Think about these things I just get so passionate. Remember, there was a comedy club on Long Island that. Recommends, me by friend. And pass you addition play there are a lot. That was spend my own money to have gone to do ten fifteen minutes. Twenty at least two or three nights a week and how to good. was. Finally. Happy to find the place I could develop. And being a place where I was pre. then. Know. After two years out of nowhere. My name was human. Hatton. On even know why there was no explanation. What do wasn't bombing. Of course at bought every comedian does do well more time than I ever fucking bomb but still no fucking love no helping the element and I met of comics open for a follow the comics And make comic to. Go, where adjacent to famous fucking people in your menu fucking good. Multiple fucking times. And even in front of the fucking booker, it's fucking awesome. But still after two years, no fucking explanation of why I'm just not in the fucking running any. I don't fucking understand it. And of course, like you know years later. You know. I. Know. Friends. WHO said like you hate it might be like a little bit of black conspiracy when it comes to comedy which which I don't even know for a fact bus history since we south all the same experiences, he'll what it might be. Even a buddy of mine who recommended does he know why? The fuck out hunting near any? And then I I have gone back. Enough Guy Guest. Spots. But that's not because people remember me from time. I was there because like when I'm there I'm hanging out the comic should in the headliner headliner, there's give me a spot. And when he does I'm not gonNA shoot before out. And all of these things this lead me in the state of mind of just being broken. I don't trust anyone and that trust anyone. I don't trust myself, and that leads to more entertainment depression. Me being broken might be my own focus. Drunken banned all these events. self-doubt is really mentally crippling. But in these times I learned. I forced myself to comedian. The Path in life and I wanted was to be a singer for metal band for women broke up after almost being signed. I didn't know what to. and. Since then it's been, it's just been a bunch of getting so close as success and falling down. About the touch. But I learned that like like I said I. Forced Myself Comedian and that means output time into. I forced myself to think like a comic I. I always had a polling opinions about things and a way to rationalize it in a funny way by myself. But now I can just do that for an audience which is awesome. And Walker in this time of Kobe. I realized that that's how my mind works. I can't I can't turn my brain off when it comes to comedy. And these thoughts that have lead to be told to people. And this is what I realized. I. AM A. Broken yes. Comic. Forced to be in my bones. And that's. and. That's always been. Listening to more and more successful comics on other podcasts and the one thing that I realized that keep saying is they've found their audience. And in that I realized handed Gatsby to comment that everyone hates because there's no jokes nurse end up stories is exactly what I would like to be. I would like to be the person who creates my own audience for my tap comedy and storytelling I've break. I don't. I don't think I'm GonNa be famous comic where comic fucking find the right audience make money doing it i. know that idea comedy bright. I'm happy that run is because. This is a of the human experience learning. And this is what brings me to my next guest Dave, Canyon. Dave. Is a comedian from the Albany new? York. Area. In like two, thousand, two, thousand, nine, when I first started who is an amazingly funny guy. Dave was another one those natural funny currents he didn't have any material when everyone stage with hedonist said, it was always awesome. He was hilarious. Wasn't just that. He was a nice and caring guy he cares about me can about other comments cared about the St. Dave as you a lot in this live and the main thing that they keep saying that he doesn't know anything, but he's willing to learn. In the last few years stave has learned a lot about south to therapy and then the current climate he has done a lot about race in this country. One thing. That's the one theme. That's going on and my interview with Dave. That he's Just, he's the guy that just wants to be appreciated. And just watch friends and that is something I can get behind my interview. I talked to him by his parents racism in America Brooklyn Him during the Navy Guy Comedy. So this is me talking to my good friend Dea Canyon. Once, you live in upstate you know this one upstate long enough when you see deer. It's like they're cockroaches. You're young you're. Like oh Dear it's like like if you're if you're a kid living in Brooklyn for all the alive and you will you see there it's like the most thing ever. because. You don't see wildlife wash libertysafe for like fifteen years like get the fuck out of my way they're like. Oh Yeah. You see, Dago all great lime disease. Example who's at the door the lime disease salesman. Well just killing twenty five cents for the Comic Book and send. I go whatever. So anyway now I'm in my caravan. Hope the sound is good. How do I sound? You sound good yet you sound you sound better than than some of the other phone recordings at that had so yeah, we're yeah. Well good I'm glad we're doing this man on where we got you sound good to so. Listen to your recordings the last couple whatever I listen to every one of your shows. So I just heard the John Tennis one. Yeah. So you pronounce it Taneja Tonight's yeah. All the only didn't hear was the mole one. I can't believe I forgot to do that last night that was on my list of is I wanted to hear the Mo One More Haskins was the last one yeah. Yeah, we have. One of the greatest individuals in the world and I'm not just saying that because what's going on in the world today but Mo- mo- knows how I feel about him because. Mo-? Was Instrumental in Dukes then so you know we'll get we'll get to it. I don't want you to feel left out. Now. I give credit to one black I? I can't just single out. That's like that's like racist biased and unfriendly on grateful where I don't want the ungrateful. That's that's a whole nother movement, the ungrateful. Movement but. You Dave. You know what? What's that? Say You don't want me to cancel you know you. Got Nothing going on. You I'm in the midst of cancelling myself. I've been working on my cast myself fifty six years now. No Mo was instrumental because Mo- created the. Intro the musical intro. For dukes and I gotTa tell you when he gave it to me. I was so surprised because I didn't think Moke do that. Yeah. I didn't know Mo- knew anything about that. Know if I ask them to do it or he ought probably offered to do it. Yeah. 'cause I don't know why I would ask him. I didn't know he knew anything about musical production or recording or whatever and. And this was ten years ago I guess nineteen years ago now and he creates intro and I'm telling you right now and I have said this on my podcast I've said it to other people other comics I said, I can't tell many times I mo haskins credit he created such an intro it was absolutely wwe worthy. Wow. Yeah. I mean I mean you you might not remember but. I don't remember that much but I would go on stage. He was like a now. Here's whatever He. is so funny because I don't remember them. Here's Day what? It's almost the same one. That's. For the PUCK. I stage and I would want a body slam somebody. WWW open mike, you know and. And I wanted to jump off the top rope and I had my leather jacket. 'cause you know you always wore black I always had a leather jacket all the blackjack on I just wanted to I wanted to hells angels on the crowd you know. Jump off the stage door. Marchisio I just wanted to I never felt like my life. So I'm just glad i. get the opportunity I. Don't know if you're recording whatever but you know if MOCHA here this I've said it to him. I've said it to other people August. Easy I'm easy giving credit where credit is due. So Mo Mo is forever has a place in my heart and I know this gets a little money on this I'm a little money on this because I know that you have said to me you're the one that told me about dukes. Oh It was the fucking the the craigslist. I thought it was a woman Cheryl Pierce or something like that. I thought she had told me that. So listen and I'm a man of a certain age and I'm a man of a certain age with an older memory. So things got a little bit foggy but you know if you tell me that you told me about this craigslist and I believe you. 'cause I could us when we had a conversation Why don't you go I thought I had suggested why don't you go talk to the guy and you run the open Mike and you weren't into it for some reason? No. Yeah. I saw and I was like Oh. This'll be cool for Dave to do because like I I don't think that at that time I could have done anything like that because like I wasn't fully developed invested and and then like, and I always looked at you as a guy who was like was like so natural and the way I talked to people that like it was it would be a lot easier for you A. Lot. Easier for you to do that just not not only been people up but the way your personality is on stage it. It of raising you know. More. Yeah. Well, thank you very much there by the way I think now you know you would be great at it. It's definitely a specialty. You're great at what you do stand up. Yeah. Don't talk about it on the show, but you'll graded stand up and I haven't heard the last nine ten interviews say anything about that. I think maybe John said something but you're great stand up you really are and You know. Without, a doubt if I could do anything for you know if I could you waiting view you? I'm no longer in the business. That's why I'm on this show. Comics in the sad part about you doing all these interviews, what's going to come of it? Nobody's in the business anymore to help you. Out Everybody's out but anyway, but you never know but yeah, I would do anything if I could. And you've come a long way, 'cause you grow as a person and a personality. So but hosting is really something that's totally false hosting is completely different like. Once I once I got like the kind of idea that like a one thing and and when I created that show upstate whatever at your house, like that was like my real Kinda Kinda go into a whole thing and I think I think it might have been also the comedy works the up there when. WanNa. Contest it's one of those things but like. Once you recognize what your personality is. You know then then then you can go there and do it. But like I realized that my personality as as a host in as standup are are two different things and so like learning how to have that energy up up front as as a host is is so fucking draining that like I. Do, it's fucking like like by the by the end of the show I feel like I feel like I've I've just done like a torn Iraq like that's. It's a lot. It's a lot. So you know. Even even even if someone kind of Fox up you, you still got like take that and then bring the show back up that with the next person has like you know a good foot in you know it's A. Crazy crazy thing of obese. But now I learned it literally, I'm not the best at hosting right now like I'm not like the best host, but I know how to be a good host where people be like you'll what this this was. This was an awesome show. Yeah. You know it's so funny to say that because I really never felt any of that and I'm not saying that to Brag. But I think it was out of ignorance. It wasn't because I'm so cool. Yes. I'm like I don't know I'm just doing what they're. What am I do I guess I just bring up the next guy in you know and also wow I talk more to do more stand up and I never had any material. So we just talk whatever came out of my head Blah you know. They opened my mouth. I would breathe. It's like that Eddie Murphy movie was that Dave what was that when he's into guys Ed. Oh Yeah and Dave. No. No. No, it's not meet Dave I. Don't. Like Alien? Yeah. I've got name of that movie. Yeah. Well, it's. Murphy. Some of them were forgettable but. He just you know he did some bums but that's okay. Yes. So anyway so it's like. The voices of my head you know there was A. Movie inside out whatever you know. Voices apparently tell me what sailor you just want him saying nothing you're right. It's. Meet Day actually. Dave Ya Ya. Look at you doubting my Eddie Murphy Film. Knowledge I know my Eddie Murph- Eddie. Murphy bums. I never saw it. I never saw it because the reviews bad I never went but and wait a minute wasn't okay. It's not your typical Eddie Murphy movie but like it wasn't a bad movie, you know it was very different for at the time you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, but yeah but it was fun to do and by the way getting paid for it was really great and. I got I got paid a certain amount for a while and then got paid another amount for the last while and I was like I always had money in my pocket. Yeah. I had money and I like I wouldn't leave it in my sock drawer carrying around and they were tired I was walking around with a couple of hundred dollars in my pocket. I was like this is great. You know a truck of a truck driver during the night and I'm also well. I can't say I was a comedian during the day. So I was doing both which was not a great idea, but it was great having that money and by the way I don't know if this is true but I would always tell people it's not that I brag about it but it would come up in conversation I considered myself and I could be wrong. But I considered myself the second highest paid comedian in the Albany capital district area for that entire time. Based on the numbers of what I was getting paid on a Saturday night. which was a little bit more than bill and I don't know what the kids are calling today but I'll call it a bill. Bill. Times that by fifty weeks forget about fifty two times that by fifty weeks you know I don't know what Greg was getting for his shows but nobody else was. That other guy was doing that other show I don't know if anybody was making five thousand dollars a year or you know. Other than me. I don't know I think I think like everyone was pretty much focus on on. Trying, to do comedy and stuff but like. I tip because comedians and never really like really I guess the the young ones anyway I, never really focused on trying to get money for the trying to get the time do whatever. Yeah so So that was it. I was like, wait a minute at some point I think on the second highest paid con I mean it doesn't get you a job I don't go wrong you know. Hey. Jamie Bright. Hey, you know Vernon pay look at look at me on the second. But I, just did the math one day went. I'm sure Greg does a couple of shows a year. So he's got he's got to be making some coin. So whatever that's fine but I bet you, I'm right behind him and by the way I, don't know if I made more than him I don't even know because how many shows did he do and I know how much we charge basically but I dunno, you do the math maybe has to pay the rental on the on the space so it doesn't matter to me but I feel good about that because I'm not a business guy I don't. Even like doing it and when I negotiated by price, I felt weird about it because like is he going to laugh me off the out of the room because he laughs me out then the open Mike is older. Yeah. So by the way, so I had pressure on me right from the get go because when I went in and negotiated this whole thing. I. Wasn't just really for me. I was doing it for all of us because I wanted to have another night and I thought how cool and it was a great room right Dukes was A. Room. If I if I might say, it'd be so bold. It was nicer than the lock you haven't. Nicer than Broadway nicer than everyone I've ever seen. Yeah. I. I didn't see your coffee house but I know that was a nice place but you know this is this is like an evening, nice? Yes. Sexy and by the way back in the day back in the day that was a premier room for did you know the story now? Oh okay. Well, before was de carry want me tell you this. Story before Dukes last laugh before it was duke's this bar just off the New York state thruway was I. could see the through it. Yeah. You've seen. Through. So You could see this Roy. So back in the day before it was called Dukes, it was called something which stone what was the case we've I forget now it doesn't matter. I don't think you could look it up and it would be in the history books who is something with the word stone I think at. That doesn't matter but I used to know it for a long time. The owners of Dukes me into a room in the back they worked me over now they gave me subscription rights. Straightened me out but anyway, but before they worked me over, they showed me some pictures they wanted to straighten out. They said, look at these pictures like a while they had black and white pictures of Don rickles and a whole bunch of other famous performers from back in the day, the fifties, the sixties and all that other stuff. And they would stop at this place before it was called. Dukes it was called the stone something. It was at the crossroads for everybody that's listening dukes is in Glenmont New York Glenmont Dell was we'll Glenmont Glenmont now Glenville. No. Glenmont right I think it is. Yeah. I think. Grandma, which is not too far from del more, but it doesn't matter and definitely not too far from what's on the Albany border right stuffing in the Albany Board. Might, even be or. Might beat Albany County anyway. I ninety runs from Boston all the way out to buffalo right I. Think it probably goes further but I know goes from Boston the Buffalo. The state through I eighty seven goes from yonkers New York City only up to Montreal, and they cross in the middle right in the middle by the way that is why Albany is the New York state capital because they capitals of every state in the. Middle. It's supposed to be like the greatest. Most people is supposed to be the center of every state. So hopefully, we'll be there was a time that there was a time that poughkeepsie was the capital. For Kingston Kingston. Okay Yeah Kingston. Yeah. Boy I'm giving you a history lesson you this is you I'm going to charge you for this. Yeah. Kingston. was the capital to liberty down but anyway so anyway COMEDIANS and performance as they were travelling New York state. This was a nice stop along the way coming down from the north country, the adirondacks coming down from Canada or coming from the West going to the East your to from Boston and Buffalo whatever. So they would stop it was an easy exits right off and you had hotels and whatever. So they would get off and they were performing. They would schedule this as a as a middle show somebody you know whatever on their way get a little. Change before the two and a half hour drive home or the two and a half three hour drive to Boston or the drive to Buffalo Rochester or the drive through Toronto, and that's so much of it was just like really nice. It was a warm room but it was it had listen. You can put over one hundred some odd people in there you know and back in the fifties we were thinner. So you could probably do a hundred and ten people and you can smoke your brains out you know. So it was that was the room it was it was a classic room and he surely all these black and white photos of performance from back in day one of Don rickles and I tried to get him to give me the the picture believe he wasn't letting go of any. But I can't believe that the people who owned this place sold it and and left the pictures behind. Why wouldn't you take the pictures? We take a quick. Jesse you can do whatever the fuck you out with us. Oh, absolutely. Beautiful pictures. And I got really overwhelmed I was like, wow wow I can't believe that this is the room that we're performing. So every every turn there was pressure don't blow the deal. Because actually, I told Greg about it because you look if you suggested to me, I suggest him because he was already doing the lock and he knew how to do it so. Out of respect and then he went and talked to him but but he didn't want to do because he wanted to do shows. They already had his open mic deal. He wanted to do shows. It was going to be a Saturday an ideal. Yeah. So anyway so that didn't work out and then you know the open mic fell in the lap. It was a year and a half almost two years of of work and was pressured and the money I made was absolute. Well, I wouldn't say it was worth but it was. You know, I got I was definitely worth it but I'm saying. I earned it. There's no doubt about between the COMEDIANS and some of the Egos in some of the problems and the stress these guys will put me under by. These guys are only drinking water because we had no money. None of us had money. You know it's an open mic which struggling artists. One of US had a job. Somebody had a job at trader. Joe's yeah. I don't know what you were doing for work at the time I think. Everybody. Had A job at the mall your buddy. What's his name? The PICTURE STORE Whatever all these jobs and somebody who will go to school radio because? I again. I always probably the highest. money-making Guy, I was a truck driver. So I made a lot of money but I was exhausted all the time because I was always working or. Because I had two jobs I would work at this job truck driving then. Price chopper and then I worked at another place which I wasn't supposed to that's illegal but I got away with it and then I, would do comedy and I would coach soccer. Era fucking you. You're like a hard work and dude man, it was a the everything that you did and everything that you did for us is it was just like so much man like. It's it's appreciated because like you Mr needs bucket do that yet. But the fact that you care about the community that much you know I did I took it very seriously because I had some conversations with Gregg before all that and all that time doing Sunday nights at the Lark you know and by the way I I I love the community I love every one of us. Well Pretty Much I. Don't think there's anybody didn't like it was a couple of people that got me nervous and I don't WanNA mention anything off. The Guy. Pulled out the gun. I don't know if you were there that I was. I was in there for that. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. What, what what what what do you mean go out again, I'll give you the initials. Okay. If you WANNA say his name, you say his name KP. Not Very funny did that is His punchline was the. the death of the blue, the blue screen deaths you know who I'm talking about. You. Can't get can I text you? Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah you could actually. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let me see. Let me see this phone hopefully they'll get disconnected. This is like I'm talking to you. Remember this. Oh you're gonNA. Hear this. You're GonNa see this name, and then this is not fair to your fans. Oh wait a min-. Was He. was a tall glasses glasses long hair yup well yeah. I think so yeah. Yeah Yeah. You see the name I sent you. Yeah. I can't I oh my God i. fucking, Hey. Remember he pulled out I wasn't in it anybody he pulled out a gun was part of his punchline freak people out. Wow. I I. Don't know if I was there for that I I was there like I think I might have been there when when he did like some kind of wrestling thing or whatever he dukes. To the rest thing we got beat up I was like, what are you doing? He attributed to some Andy Kaufman s informants and I'm like you don't really appreciate in. Colorado I appreciate. Funny. If. It was funny I appreciate it but I'm not into this whole thing. Are you really getting beat up or not and the acting was bad anyway but I shouldn't bad mouth but but anyway, I really enjoy the community and. It was great to be. Quote Unquote in show Bizz and yeah and have people. Then we had writing groups and then we would drive I heard. John. Today's talking about driving to New Hampshire yeah, we did the same thing member you every we went to we went to. Connecticut. jokers wild we went to. Connecticut the Alley Yeah. Lennox or Lee. Mass Mass Yeah we went there we went to that place up in New Hampshire where that Guy I. Don't I don't even see his post on facebook anymore I remember his name, but he was Kinda looking talion guy or you might have been an email. You might have a black guy. I think he was down here in Albany, and then he relocated somehow I. I connected with him and we he. Did he ran Simmons. No? No. No. This guy was hosting a Mike and New Hampshire on New Hampshire. He was like a larger guy. He did a little He did a little bit of an impression of Of. Shawshank redemption we goes he say. Andy was my friend Andy we like he did that guy. The narrator, the narrator from. Yeah you know. Yeah. I remember that guy. But it doesn't matter but we. We. Would drive to Cranford New Jersey. For the coffee hallowing or for Robin Robbins? and. I think at night when we would go to Cranford, did we stop at the place in Manhattan with the with the subway tile behind him? We East village? Yeah. It was it was it was a medium Oh yeah. Yeah. We went to East Ville. Well I, think night we just hung out Manhattan. Well No. Because because I think they were having an open mic there. So so we went up and a buddy of mine from Albany that that live that live near city at the time. Yes he came out to hang out with us at the open mic, and then I think I think he might have decided to go on to go on stage to even though he's like now the from comedian at all. But like he does what most people do was like well, I like comedy people doing this Oh. So let me see if I can do this and I was working good. But Yeah Yeah I remember that that was east. Yet East village. Doesn't exist anymore they moved to Brooklyn. Yeah the they moved to the Brooklyn but now but now that spot is now. The Second New York Comedy Club. Now. Oh Wow. Yeah. Wow. Legendary. Like club that all these guys supposedly performed. So we got on stage at East Mel. It's nice to hear. Yeah I, think we did both it was it was it was a late night one and right here man I I i. Remember that to me for me for me that was like at least At least like eighty pounds ago for me. I I love the way you just what I do I measure my life not. Only about one hundred pounds ago. When I was a size thirty eight. Piece actually worked at and it was great. That's that's me too. I have. You know I have post, I have pre and post. So. That was great and I have pictures of you I think and I know I mo.. Standing in front of the subway tile yeah. So, we did a lot of traveling. I, know we did Mike's I. Know we did so many mikes that we must have forgotten some of the Mike's we've got hell yeah hell. Yeah and I remember driving with you. I think and Tony Jackson, and the other guy the Rogers was name Tony. Robbins Oh God. My Chrysler Cirrus didn't go with us that night. I don't know if I did I it was. Go Tony gets the New Hampshire trip me Tony Rogers Tony Jackson I mean you got to huge Tony's. Chrysler CIRRUS. Yes I think she since Howard. Now, Jason Howard and I don't know if there was because I always packed the cars. There was never like an extra see 'cause I I needed all the guests money I could and I remember one of the Tony. Saying. Something about thank God you're driving Dave 'cause we try. They would be nervous because we were. We went into the boonies. Yeah. We went into the New Hampshire boonies at I got a little lost on the way back these some of those roads that you see movies that you know you're lost and you're bound to come up on a restaurant that says whites only you know. They just didn't get the news you know. So it was sues late late in the. I remember coming back who's enrolled in Troy, and drop somebody in I mean everybody was exhausted by the way. If, I remember correctly the I still had to go back to saugerties. I go back to Saugerties and go home I was everyone was like, Oh, I'm just getting out here in Albany I'm I live in colony I live in Rensselaer. I had to go all the way back to zone debts to dude it I mean I'm not bragging I'm just saying. For the comics that are listening wannabe comics and you know you never know someone's going to be listening to this in five years from now. You WanNa you WANNA. Well it's funny. I'm going to say this, but it didn't work for me but you know. You want to do something in the world of comedy you gotTa. Travel I mean you gotta do stuff. You gotta work. You gotTA. Go find stages. Got and I. Remember I told Ethan Allman once you know from alternative sleeping yeah of Ethan Allen thing but I said. I told him I was doing one day. He goes. Why are you doing that I go stage time he goes are you going to get paid no I I just want to go. He's that's crazy. I wouldn't drive that far and getting paid I go well. I'm too early in my career. I'm not that good a and I don't want to build a business. That type of thing I just want to perform and I want to get used to traveling I knew that was part of it. Oh. If I was going to be a road comic and this is a good time to learn. How to drive these distances and It's also networking and S I don't know if you remember this citing Choi All by the way I'm a truck driver I enjoy driving. Yes. Not Anymore like I used to but I a my terms on my terms I enjoyed driving for for for this Warren company I worked for it not so much pain Lisa while I wouldn't do it. But. The thing is to get stage time to drive and. One of the things I remember which was so fascinating I remember talking to somebody about it. It wasn't you I think you might have engaged and it doesn't matter I said. I said. Look at the comics that are the regulars at this might because we were visitors, we always visitors. Yeah. Look at the Congress. Oh, by the way, this was exactly at the time that Michael Jackson was either in court. Or he had just passed I don't remember. But this is when everybody was doing Michael Jackson jokes whatever it was. You know. And it's funny. Every time you go to a different. Mike it was like being in a parallel universe. So you go. Okay. Well, there's they're black comic. There's the comic they're good looking female comic visit your there's there lesbian comic. There's there's the headed kid you know there was like the as the older guy trying to hang on. Let me. You. Always. Take a shot at myself. So you know you would see. Like a whole `nother like we were Albany right and then you go oh, there's all of us here. We are in new haven here we are at East it's just interesting to see the you know the the the multiples of you the. Gang or Not. Even if they? Even. If they didn't look like you and then not in not only if they look like they were doing your jokes because you are not as clever as you. Know Comedian is is as clever as they are like the like. The only thing that said that might be slightly different is is the premise jokes the jokes right? There is still the fuck insane, right? That's it. Yeah it's so great. It's sort of it's humbling a little bit humiliating, but it's helped me going Oh you know what I gotTa do I got to work harder. Work Harder, and you got to somehow get in front of it right and you network, and you got to sell yourself as a personality. You gotta sell yourself as responsible individual as a respectable person that you're going to respect the the show whatever it is the ten minutes you gotta hit the light I mean there's just so many fascinating things. It's not just material. It's so many things and that's why I would drive three hundred miles for ten minutes i. Forgot. I was talking to someone else in this podcast Oh no I think it was like I think I might have been Mike Whatever Mica McLaughlin yeah and I I would I would go on trips with him. I guess sometimes it would be like me a big me, Mo Mike, and like I think I think maybe just carpet whatever we go faceoff. But sometimes, it would just be me and Mike and we go to like an an open mic and like maybe like forty minutes down from Albany just just to go check it out because there weren't places and always both out that no one else did that like. After, like after were gone and some people kind of stopped doing it right hanging out with hanging out with me and Mike. We were so intimate that we wanted to find any state because even if it wasn't about being paid about giving that exposure and time because like because if if he goes somewhere that you don't know any see you and you do good that person might be like well, I'm I'm creating comedy show you guys are good. Do Do you WANNA come on? That's that's that's the idea behind traveling. So far for no pay. Because you want other people to fucking seat yes you know and also also get at the same time. So it as much now that people like didn't want to do that. They got I got very comfortable. In Albany just staying in Albany but like you're seeing the same goddamn people, it's not Helping you none at all. You know now few career now now for networking. Valley. Are you talking about Central Valley was your essentially that note and essentially valley but there was there was some other place that was like like let forty minutes away from from from Albany yeah it was. It was like. You go with that light. We went to Kingston that place where that guy came from entourage. Yes I was there with you. Got One guy I forget his name he flipped out what are the comedian guy? Yeah. Yeah. I. Remember that old guy was who's white and what's the guy's name entourage? Adrian Adrian Air Yeah. He had his sloppy had hair I mean he got mass. Chicks loved it I. Don't know what it was. Yeah He. This guy that was hanging out with US comedian I can't remember his name I don't mean disrespect I really don't remember his name. I had sort of an adversarial relationship with him because he was a little difficult but anyway I'm sure he's a nice guy. I don't I'm sure he's not in the business anymore but I if he goes hey, by the way at that point I had never seen an episode alliance never sort I I had an idea that this guy was never saw an episode and he he elbows means Lakers hey, that's agent ago. And I didn't even know if that was a guy who you're talking to that guy you know he talking about that guy within like okay. You know obviously I. Don't know who who is he? That's the guy from entourage ago. Okay well. You know go suck A. Guys cursing. Suckers, Dick I don't care. And You know. He went over to he started like you think that this guy's out he's trying to be incognito. His hair was a mess. Yes. He had a beard I remember looking I'm like, yeah looked a little. A. Little homeless. But that's okay. 'CAUSE I get it. He's in Kingston I. Don't know why because this from there? Yeah. Yeah. A dive. The Dungeon. Dungeon whatever it was all black was so. Long and. And it was like a premiere open mic like it was the first night of their new. With Mike in which lasted I don't know how long but You know started making an ass out of himself. Hey Man you know I'm I'M GONNA whatever. I'M NOT GONNA bother him I'm going to go up on stage and impress this guy which I don't think happened either. You know. So yeah. How about that? Imagine that? You're open making all over New York state or wherever you live but you're going two hundred miles here. Yeah. How'd you all over? and. Then you're on stage an agent veneer from entourage sees you. Right and his whole show is all about all of those guys supporting each other. Yeah. They're all buddies and he sees you goes you know what? I got an episode coming up and I need a middle-age balding fact you own. Yeah Whatever can you come out your I can come out whatever. You quit your job you get a job. You know whatever you just don't know who's GonNa meet you and I did get I did get offered a slot down when we went to Cranford this guy had a comedy tour whatever he called it the I hate to say it. But back in the day, this is the can years ago he called it the Rodney kings of comedy. That's Touring thing that Rodney King's the comedy I didn't understand what was all about yeah I don't think it was flattering. I'll say but I think it was all white comics but anyway but he asked me I was just give me a call. I'll go I didn't care I mean where was I going to play you know I don't know. Whatever he was a family man I can't imagine. We're GONNA go do some racist. Whenever. Bar New Dry. So. Said Yeah give me a call. He never gave me a call but I know he had this thing called the the Rodney kings of comedy why and he liked he liked my my Brooklyn stick whatever I was doing. You know on stage at this CRANFORD place and You have come to the funny farm with me. I'd I'm not sure if it was with you, I, know I know the funny farm once Okay Yeah that was another Mike by the way that I I hosted for awhile and what's his name I'm to say his name because the last time his name was mentioned on a show he took somebody to court Oh fucking that jackass yeah. I. WanNa say for the record not say his name. That refer to him as an animal that may or may not be donkey. All right. It's your show you take responsibility. But I'm not afraid of me. I don't need to hassle. I'm very tired right now. I don't need a letter in the mail saying you need to appear. But yeah. But he was upset because I was like Yo by the way this also supports what you were saying before when you go somewhere else that you're that you're like you're like a different type of lettuce these guys get. ICEBERG, lettuce. Every Sunday every iceberg iceberg. Calm like, ooh, that's a new green. Who's this then you go up there with your attitude and your sticking to go ooh fresh I like that hey, we got to show we're doing next Thursday you WANNA be on ten minutes his fifteen. Yeah and the only reason why you got it 'cause you're fresh lettuce is yes widow which works. So. This lady that was running remember her name that was running the funny farm out in Amsterdam new new. York. As we used to be a premier club out there. Time. was like everybody went to the funny farm out in in Amsterdam New York and she liked me and she mixed me in into the rotation and then I started hosting and I was featuring I was I know I know I featured. Not, featured middled middle. One night. I hosted a whole bunch of other nights and I was getting paid. I got fed remember getting I got fed there at my Aa. Always get some good food that a nice restaurant and I would drive all we out from where I live to this place. It was ninety was a ninety minute drive. Again I'm a truck driver that's all I do and that will come out and would go back out to Amsterdam and I would just this crowd in absolutely was tough. I, mean you know it's in the boonies. And I? mean. That's like they would they be angry at you is just You know she didn't always packed the house. A little. League they're they're coming out of this away. So you you'd better be as good as a as a thank. You are coming out randomly these fucking town. You always pressure. Always. But as a host at least like you know what all they gotta do is just be mildly amusing and agreeable and I like to be liked that's I know that's a big thing 'cause I. Did seven years of therapy. So I like to be light and That really I take very personally when I do wrong I can fix it. What's matter you know? I'm a little submissive like that but I'd like to be liked so. It was easy for me to be Ho-. How are you? Are you comfortable? I. Mean just really I didn't come out and do stick I would just really talk to people hey, how you doing you know you know Whatever you look. Good you. Just do some still sticking into the how are you? The everybody comfortable. Can I get you anything and then boom? We just did a show and you know. If I had written more material. That would have been better, but it always worked out and nobody ever said, David kind of Kinda came up short tonight. I never heard that not once. Tonight. Came up short you know no, you did a good job hosting it nobody nobody complained and I was very if I could describe myself, I'm doing your show, I'll do your job for you. If I. Give one word to my comedy career. I would say serviceable. Yeah. I was serviceable. Let's IT I. I think and I think that's one of the reasons why I thought that at the time that you would be good for that for that that do escape because because you are, you are who you are Naturally and and it works you know like if. You. Didn't you don't have like. Material, like you just going up there and just saying shit that was like. It was fucking funny like it was. It was you know thyroid issue hands you know. I think that's the thing that gets people into you. Is is the fact that that you dislike that young you'll just talk you know. And I think why you resonate With so many people when you're when you're doing these shows and shit. Thank you. Thank you. Sure and for the record, it only gets you so far what to know. I'm obviously not doing it now said only got me so far and and I do want everybody to know that you actually want me some material to you didn't write it for me. You had it. Then you didn't want to do it. No more than you gave it to me UH shit deal with the belly. You gave me some insight, Mitchell for my belly I think I think I kind of remember something like that. Yeah Yeah you because you had slow losing weight, you didn't need it anymore. It was. A Nice passing the torch in a way these fatty on like okay. Thank you. He lives. That's a yeah I know. I. Know What I guess I did that and then, and then I gave I give Matt Elliott Joke to Oh that I I was doing and like it was I guess it was like going really well I. Guess I kind of stopped I guess he was really into the jokes oh so he was like, Hey, man, can I have that joke? He took it back. Yeah. No keeps a cookie he if he can do the job and I was like, yeah, sure. Take take the bucket joke like. I can I can do more jokes to ship but I remember that I. gave. My Kelly Joe to Oh. There was a guy there was a guy that came to dukes. Log I'm not really sure I don't remember his name. He was really a nice guy hit a great name had a great name. I actually thought he was already somebody when I first saw him. I heard go wait a minute. It's this guy already somebody but he wasn't. But anyway I don't remember his name I just remember being white and tall and he was artsy. And he did a porno joke. It was really really funny. I should do it because it's not mine but he did this porno choke it was so funny. I loved it. I just loved that he wrote his job and then he stopped doing comedy too I mean I. Would Watch facebook and he wasn't before wasn't performing and then I was toying with the idea of coming back or something like that. I was doing one of those one off a bowling alley shows you know. Bobby Madison. I was coming back whatever it was and I call them hey man, you haven't done comedy and I haven't seen you. FACEBOOK message. I really would love that joke if you'd be willing to sell to name your price. And by the way I am thirty, forty, five I wanted this joke I know I could kill it. He was like, Oh, no man. That's mine and I'm like, yeah. But you're not because that's my job. I'm keeping I'm like. Okay. Dude so badly because it was so funny when he before stage, it would kill me because it was just so great I don't want to do it because it is but but it was great. It was just great material. He. Didn't justice and he was so brilliant but. I can't remember the name, but but I wasn't against it. I wanted other comedians to write for me because I was so lazy and so tired. I just wasn't that good of a writer but I never really flex my muscle, which is what comedians need you just need to. You don't think you. You just really need to try. Yes. You need to try and and I didn't tricolours. And by the way, it's not an excuse. I was always exhausted. I mean like I said, I'm driving I'm watching dad being son. Trying to be all old people at the end it. Off You were like you were like a exhausting yourself. So like when you when you doing that there isn't much time a really fucking. Right. For like a minute there there's not much under because like. By the time that you're. Your Day ends you're just like all right fuck it I'm going to bed right now I'm I was have no time to write I was told I would sometimes go to work On a Sunday morning at one o'clock dukes would be over at eleven something right. I traveled to a lot of you already know the location but anyway, I, travel a half hour west to Rotterdam. Park in the parking lot and I would sleep for an hour. Okay. Dispatch it about one o'clock sometimes too in the mornings I get maybe an hour an hour and a half. Yeah. I would dispatch a a tractor trailer loaded with groceries for northern Vermont and or Pennsylvania. Yeah, I would make up the way I. Eighty seven and I would pull over in about an hour an hour fifteen minutes at rest stop and I would sleep for about two hours. And I never got in trouble for as long as I didn't wreck I. was there a companies I would say? What are you doing? We see you on your log, your sleeping for two hours sometimes two and a half hours. I'm like I just came from a comedy show. You mean right. Before you pull a fourteen hour shift of driving a tractor trailer in Vermont in the snow in the isolate all you've got eighty thousand pounds of groceries or whatever in the back and you're you're you're sleeping like an hour and a half well, it is comedy. I'm paying my dues you know and. And I got I I would sleep in that truck and it's not a sleeper. In the front seat. I, put my head down and I wake up my neck would be also I would overeat to because when you're tired you eat I mean that's how I've ballooned up and and Do you remember the parking lot in the lock? Do you remember? Dr So. Yeah you remember. Do you remember what it looked like when it would rain all that? Money and the Denson into the ground. Yeah. Yeah. So Here we are in Albany, which by the way people that don't know Albany is a city. It's not. It's not like where I live with like back road it is a city they know about pavement there is pavement. Yeah. There is blacktop there is you know Ashville, there is. Construction it's a city. It's been there for a long time but for some reason, we're we performed the parking lot was the surface of the moon. Craters everywhere, and it would rain and you have we're GonNa Park. It was hard to park on the street. So you park there and there will be nights where I would. I would go up there and I, you know a sleep in my car in the parking lot and I had a Volkswagen rabbit pickup truck for a while but I had all these other. Crappy cars at Dodge Omni. I had my Chrysler series. I had you know crabby vehicle had Astro van I had all these crappy cars and I would sleep in the parking lot in the log tablet and that what I wake up I'd be parking a puddle because it rained like Oh my God I couldn't move my car because all the good spots already taken. So you know. I did a lot of paying dues. I'm only sharing that with you verse while I want you to have a great show. So I'm opening up to tell you everything I could tell you I'm not holding anything back, which is these are not secrets. But if you listen to the show, you want to be a comedian. You don't WanNa be a broken comic Yeah Yeah Yeah. Things that you have to do and I think the only thing was a couple things. The only thing that kept me one of the things that kept me from really moving on was I was I was burning too many candles too many too many places I was toast. And I wasn't a writer I. Nobody nobody liked me enough to write for me because I was really hoping to make buddies with somebody that would right for me and nobody wanted to write for me and. I asked to reconnaissance wants to write to me because he was a really really good writer. I don't I. Didn't. He was also good performer but I thought his strength was in writing I really thought I could kill his material he wrote only, but we talked about it but it never happened. So I was just too tired and too lazy and that helped me back if I could write and fact Charlie Paul. May he rest in peace talks Paul, had said to me you know kid if you only had an act. If you joke if you only had some jokes, it'd be great. I'm like no but see wasn't there there there. There are people who made like living not writing fucking jobs and and and and just, and just talking like it just ended up being fucking ended up being funny I think I think like everything everything that you did did what you did it. Would have been. You would have excelled more if you weren't. A burn candle at both ends that way that you can. You can hone what what it is that you were doing because. I I. Don't know if you knew exactly what you were doing as far as well. My thing is just just to be up there and talk in like that is my. That's my act you know. But like what things honing. Is You have to have the time to really hone what that is. You know and and if you'll have time to do it, it's easy to understand how like that can kind of fall by the wayside. Yeah, well. You know if I had to do all again I would and if I had to it all again I probably would. Neglect my son a lot more not to. Say Hey listen I know you're GonNa hate me but the money you are gonNa Inherit Ask. When your mom and I get divorced it's going to be so worth it. Well you because I'm going to feel bad. So you'll probably get car and you'll travel with me and you'll you'll get drugs in girls and not just go on stage and you'll be paying. Off You Kyle, do you want big wheeled now? Not Judge Roy. You go in our land again. Later. I mean I know you're only eight but I mean you had to do had to do you know. This is you know how it goes. You know what? That's just how the comedy game goes especially when once you like. How can I have a family and and you're trying to make your China provides for everyone including south. It's it's tough. Man was to you know I just thought about this for the first time I think. I'm just guessing I could be wrong out of all of us. Yeah. I might have been the only one. Who was married and had a legitimate child. I might have been the only one with a mortgage. Well. He got cartoon. That's right he but he didn't host media He he he just really I don't know if he did. Broadway. But you know he did dukes and. I, know he got some gigs but. Yes okay. So there you go at least one other so doing. Cardio to own and I. Think I think that's about it. Yeah. I. Think that might be about it. You know. who was like that yeah okay. so it's not easy. No no, it's. It's I. Applaud you guys for for for doing that shit because like it's it's a lot like I. You know I'm not I don't necessarily having any responsibility as you know like that down here. So it and it's tough to me. So I can understand the how can it be like ten times as tough you know having having a family and having a family working and then try to be trying to be funny that a fuck impression is. Funny because I remember talking to. Jason Howard and maybe even you or some other. Jay. Bryson. I. Listen To me I would quench my physical you're single. Let her getting your head. Just. You cannot be involved in a relationship right now you're on the edge of greatness you're getting you've got work to do this woman here fifty more like them in line. You know look by your t shirt and they'll give you ten dollars and then they'll slip you a key or card. Stopping these relationships that are so destructive, not ready and they'll kill me because you know Massey and Howard. J All these people that were like, what are you doing with this complicated? Relationship Priscilla. I've been thinking about that. You know I've been thinking about that a lot more 'cause, I remember you saying that to me whether people. At, the time like at the time no one was trying to fuck me so i. Really. Wasn't. I've been. Trying to. Do I, WanNa do not that big thing but then like, but like recently been thinking about what you said recently and I was like I. Is. It is better for a comic to to get his success when he single or get success win win. Relationship and I say that because. The person that you wit and relationship and you're doing comedy they have to be completely okay with with like with us the number. That'd be okay with you singing them at least at least. Two hours. Out of the fucking week, because because like if ric thing is to be out every night, you have to have a little bit of time to send this person and and can't be like as much as you do comedy. So like the has to be a short, my time is very hard for someone to be secure in and seeing you for like two to five hours in a whole whole. fucking. Yeah Hey listen we gotta go to the law tonight. We're GONNA do sit there for two hours. Listen to Dick Jokes. Raids not fun. Yeah. It's great. Oh. You're going to hear the some of the worst comedians. And you'll hear wanted to that a good. You hear a couple of other but you know a lot of it's just going to be a night of suck. Yeah. Okay. That sounds great. I love you. How many nights we're GonNa do this Oh we could do it once you do three. And we could try to get your miles and do the same thing that sounds great Chris. Maintaining, maintain relationship and and and being a comedian news desert really go to get. It not it. It really doesn't. Until you've made a quote unquote made it whatever whatever making it's for you that that is the only way because. Everything can work on your schedule. and. The only other thing that works is if the relationship really goes bad when you do bit on it, I, mean you got material to. Then again. That's what every comedian's doing. Oh, I just broke up my girlfriend and how he tells you you heard that. Relationship just woke up on. That's life. So that is. So so. Where are you originally from? Originally. From Crown Heights. Brooklyn New York. Okay. That's where I was born in a hospital in Crown Heights Brooklyn New York. and I lived. For a large part in Brownsville New York up until the age of nine and up until about two weeks after I got my favorite five-speed bicycles stolen. Guys Boulevard will wilding I mean living Goldenrod with do that to you Limbaugh the bike I cried, and then two weeks later we moved to. Brooklyn. And that's where we spent the majority of my life. I guess from nine till eighteen o the next time years were there and then I went to the navy. Travel, the world came back and I met my wife to be and We moved to Queens. Jamaica Hills. Queens. I was neighbors with trump's who lived in Jamaica estates wasn't really neighbors with them but you know I do what I saw the house I knew they used to live and And then the that was a got the navy when I was twenty three and then a couple of years later I think twenty five, I forgot how many years later my wife and I. My wife was still my wife to be because we shacked up for ten years and I was getting the milk for free and. We moved to upstate New York and I've been here for the last twenty seven years. So so What was what was it like growing up in an in crown heights and Brownsville like? What was the? What was the demographics of people? Because because you 'cause your family like you're you're Jewish right? Yes. So so what I'm not very good at it. Because I'm a practicing Jew. Yeah. I stopped practicing. I realize I'm not gonNA just. Like kosher food, I really do and I like. Women. I like because I married a woman that's not exactly Jewish and she's more to the Hispanic slash German. Of things which is fun and and fascinating. I mean, after twenty seven years you know whatever? So neither one of us a young anymore but it's okay. but but yeah. The demographics and Crown Heights Brooklyn was. Wasn't was a majority Jewish or but before the. Cloud now, everywhere I went to listen new. York City is fantastic and beautiful is it was always you turn left using crm Hasidic Jews. Right, you see black people you see Rican you see all you see young I mean not everybody was thrilled to be there with the other people. Yeah I'm not gonNA say Beautiful Utopia. Yeah. No, it was there was a lot of tension. I was born in sixty three. So I went to Crown Heights yeshiva in nineteen, sixty, nine to nineteen seventy. Yes, the first second third grade I went to chronic on Crown Street show that would be a six seven and eight years old right. So so so so this so this is right. So this is right after or before the the integration inside inside Brooklyn 'cause like I remember like you remember. Watching things that just being like it was a very, very white neighborhood but then but then like. In ten years after that some in between that. They're just started to be influx of of of black people inside inside Crown Heights Brownsville. At that time when it's happening people found out and then then started like leaving the fucking area because you totally white flight. Yeah. White flight everywhere. By. Whites winter to Canarsie. They went to which is on the border like the end right by the water. Into a corner like well, this is it. This is as far as away we can get. To this, we're taking a boat nowhere to go and besides Kennedy up what was right there. So it was like. You know one cab ride and boom we're on we're on a jet blue to Florida I mean this is before job before jetblue was around but one Florida which is where a lot of people went they went to Florida. They went to see they went to. Long Island. Long Island. Eventually, much much later, a lot of them went to say that. The the white people to Jews. went to maybe even the Italians I. Don't know they went to Marlborough New Jersey down there. So Yeah. We're very good about leaving we live. We don't like to stick around too long like this is nice for now. Actually especially, one of our real estate friends is going to sell a house to a black person. We all got to go you know everybody flips out. So we I was there for a lot of violence back in the day you know cross burnings and Brutal Year your real estate Yeah. It was a real estate. I can't remember the name of it. It was on Flatlands Avenue in Brooklyn. Looked like a log cabin. This was the real estate office. This was the office it looked like a log cabin and I don't know if it's still there but he used to be on Flatlands Avenue Right now off of Rockaway Parkway. You're from Brooklyn aren't you from? Brooklyn yea. So do you You good with Brooklyn like you know these short of your listeners don't listen to. This anyway. So it was. One of the most interesting buildings because it was the newer, no log cabins at all in Kasey. Brooklyn but this real estate office was. Okay I don't want to stay in that choice, but whatever and. And they sold a home to a black family and that real estate office torched. Yeah and and I think the House that they sold the whatever I think they burned across outside of it and that was nineteen in the nineteen seventies without a doubt I was. Thinking seventy seven I would have been fourteen years so it was around that time. Listen there is a lot of. I gotta be careful. There was a lot of people there ever see the TV show the Sopranos Yeah. Okay well. They started off in Brooklyn and when they got tired of broken, they moved to New Jersey. So this pros, they were sopranos in Brooklyn. You WanNA use the word Mafia used the mafia I'm not saying it. You know somebody saying it but I'm not saying but you could say it there was this element and they were not happy about change. At all and it was by the way didn't like me either you know I was actually getting along with all these guys. Yeah. But. Although I did have one call me not too long ago and really had a heartfelt conversation with this guy. He's very apologetic was so sweet No. He well, it's funny. He he was Jewish guy but he was selling himself. He identified. As an Italian. Hanging out role these other retire. Yea. Dude he came from such a messed up home. Hey. I knew he was a nice guy but I mean I. I try to see the best and everybody believe it or not. It sounds like I. Know that everybody. Everybody was born a little baby. Body was cute. Everybody was colored and then your mom your dad or the first one is up. Yeah. Then you'll have a cousin uncle. You know it's it's a it's a terrible environment and this guy was the product of environment. He ended up with this crowd of these other kids and they just happened to be Italian are they were very violent and again on these homes anyway. But he he got in touch me. About a year or two ago and Man It was it was the most amazing conversation this. You were such a Nice Guy I'm sorry that was mean to you. I'll tell you he just really just let it out man. Wow and we fifty-five at that time fifty four, his only do comedy anyway. But that's what was going on. It was a lot of tension. There's a lot of anger because there was bussing. Yeah and I was one of the kids when I was still living in Brownsville check this out. I'm on this bus like the B forty two whatever I'm on this bus and I'm coming down Flatlands Avenue. I'm getting off this bus on the only one on this process, his loaded with black kids but they're bussing us into build a C. J. D. H.. S Sixty S Unites Sixty. At? East eighty. Sixth Street Tom Getting off the bus and they protesting the MOMS, the Karens or whatever. They say now, all these. White ops up protesting no policy. No, plus don't keep our schools like. Hello. A. Nine, ten I. Didn't know I know. I didn't understand because I didn't. I was like I just wanted to friends. Yeah. Play it just spent three years and you see yeah, posing as a Jew, you know posing A. Didn't have to be Orthodox or scenic. Okay she. You needed to have money and they talk you money. They took your money that's what it was a private school but. It was all based in Judaism but they took your money and Anyway. I also got in touch with a former friend of mine that went to that school turns out she was Italian. And I was like, oh Whatever but but they money because her mother where she lent her parents didn't want them to go to their school. They wanted to go to this school so So you got a private school education but just happened to be based in Judaism anyway. So we get off this bus. Black Kids The New York City bus, you got front and the back of boom. Protesting I don't know what's going on to go to school. My parents said, he dropped me off this bus right? So I was. Very. Familiar. Very early on about you know familiar with racism and. Segregation and familiar with all these things that we're talking about now so much but I was sort of on. That sort of on both sides, but I was A. Kid I was. It was in the middle of everything and it was always on the news it always things on the news and it's just never ends, and then once I fully moved in to. You know you know people talk to you? They say things to you like really. Seem to be very angry. I know that Guy's nice kid you know. But whatever but did it year so did your family move up because of that that the integration? Hey Sandy here and I was thinking about doing a podcast about my favorite movie bill and Ted es where you and I was at work. I should use anger it is freely use free to download and you recorded edit referee phone or computer. The best part is there any will distribute your podcast for you. So you can hear it on spotify apple podcast. Am what platforms sick it has everything that you need to make a podcast at one place. So download the free APP now anger DOT FM against started. See you their yards. We moved out of Linden below thirteen, eighty, one, the number beautiful beautiful building was five. It's called. The butcher's collapsed five-storey like buildings all twenty one stories. We moved out we moved to. Because Brownsville was getting out of control crying was going up. No doubt about it. We had a crime problem a huge cry Pablo yeah but. My parents are death like know you knew that. And My. Their parents of their parents. To Grandma's to GRANDPA's. Both lived Kasey. So they needed a lot of help. My Mom Dad always needed help to death so I couldn't help them because I was always the little kid interpreter and my sister was also an interpreter you know because everything needs to be interpreted and everything needs to be done for them. Then we moved to Karachi and we actually. The the first place we lived was right across the street from my father's mother and father, and then we moved I don't know how many years later to another location we lived upstairs from my mother's mother and father. So that's how that's. That's why we moved. That's part of the reason why I moved to see but I think a big part of the reason was Brownsville was really getting crazy at it wasn't just listen man it just wasn't safe for white people. Yes. W was hey, Dave come on here. Let's play basketball. Nobody that these words have never heard of my life Dave coming on over. Let's play basketball. If. You look at Google maps if you go to thirteen boulevard. In the middle of these five tall twenty, one storey buildings courtyards for the old people sit on these benches at the tables that supposedly supposed to play chess or checkers but nobody ever exchequers. And in the middle of everything. Basketball, courts and just no baseball no soccer knew nothing. Basketball and I would come home from me Sheva five o'clock I get off the bus about four, thirty, five o'clock and these kids were. Plate and I would look like, wow but it was foreign. I never went to the fence to watch I never my parents always come up move along nothing to see here. This is not for you like. These kids who these kids. Move like a crime scene move along nothing to see. They rushed me up the elevator tonight floor and I go watch you know mcgilla Gorilla I. Watch I dream of Jeannie speed racer why watch TV that's more reason why I became a comic and I'm not an athlete because. You know this they rushed me away from these kids and but Yeah. That's that's one of the reasons why we moved out of Brownsville. SARISI. So do you think do you think that one of the reasons why they told you that keep on moving? was because like but was because it was getting so Cranfield, or are you think it was because they didn't want us being around people at all you know. To kind of get like a different you know different friends or or perspective on life. Long. Learning, I know that a lot of people are not going to like to hear me say this, but this is the best I could tell you. My mother and father being deaf had a limited scope of the world. Limited scope they really were focused in on self-preservation struggle to be Jeff. My Mother is survivor. Of World War Two and she didn't go to I. Don't think she was in a concentration camp. But she was in a town where basically. doobie anchor. I think it's called. It was run border of Ukraine and Poland. If you look wikipedia. At that time thousands of Jews they all got exterminated. And she was always on the run the run from the Germans. She lives in she lives in convents. It was a whole thing. She was deaf in Poland in in nineteen she just died she just passed away April she was eighty two. So what's eighty two years ago? Nineteen thirty something nineteen, forty something late thirties forties so she was. So what she goes to be five she she's a girl, she's deaf she's in Paulin. How many? How much social services you think are available to Polish Jews in Poland for Steph girl now she went to school I have a picture. It's like five of the kids in one guy had down syndrome and I don't know about the. WHO's to teacher? What's the qualifications has a little work? Anyway so Whatever I'm pleading a case from my mother I didn't have a great relationship with I'm pleading a case because. She scope was limited her she was basically illiterate whatever she was a good mommy. She Kissed Boo boos and she made good food and she cleaned house and stuff and dad was a worker bee work will be with. And they had friends all the friends with death only death. Friends non deaf. And they had friends that were Hispanic. Greek Hungarian whatever black All over the across the board and you know what? It's a small pool of people even though it's New York. City. It's a small pool of people. It's you know it's a couple of hundred maybe to choose from and these are your friends for life. So. So they my phone was very polite and everything was. Fine with them and their friends you know whatever? But for me? They wanted something that you know all parents want something better for their child, of course. And They would watch the news and this was before closed caption. And the impression was you got white kids Jewish you, WanNa send them to you. And they're going to wear a Yarmulke. 'cause everybody Yarmulke. You'd send the White Kid like me. You said into the school that was right across the street in Rockaway Parkway. He's GonNa get his butt kicked WanNa get killed, and this was the impression that their parents gave to them in other. It's the cycle. What was that? It was to cycle the cycle? Yeah. Like the psycho. Cana kept spinning. But it like they. They weren't learned people like. My son needs diversity. My son already had. They were told basically what to do by their parents? Yeah, and let me tell you something that I. Remember I distinctly remember this. When I went to Crown Heights yeshiva at six years old with my mother. And I think my father sister who kind of raised me like a mother my aunt. And So is my father's sister I follow was always at work the I don't know if he was there but I know my mother was there at my grandmother, my father's mother who was like the matriarch of the family. My mother's mother was a Polish immigrant her education was limited. She was a farmer ended up selling fruits and vegetables on First Avenue I avenue and Fourteenth Street Manhattan Weber's Weber's fruits and vegetables anyway. But my father's mother was more cosmopolitan kind of like. Audrey. Hepburn in a way you know the actual jeopardy I know I'm showing my age anyway. I remember very distinctively. This is the one of two times this happened in my life we sat at the table being interviewed to sign papers into bay the money whatever to for me to go cry it's creates a Sheva although not a religious Jew we didn't wear the garb then go to temple none of that. Sitting at the table and the woman. At the other end that was doing the interviewing and processing the paper Said said to grandma I remember distinctly seeing to my grandmother and I had no idea what was going on. Said you doing the right thing is if you send your your grandson to public school, he's going to be with the animals. Go so this nine, hundred, sixty, nine. Woman behind the desk is referring to the kids at Brownsville is animals. Wow. I of two times this ever happened in my life that I remember. And my grandma was like you know. We want the best for David because he goes to the school. He's GonNa get his butt kicked. Seventy years old six whatever and then my mother felt yeah whatever you say whatever you say. So boom they sent me deceiver and then. There was this impression, but if you look up the wikipedia page Brownsville. Not. Supposed to write because the information isn't exactly true. But if you go to the East New York wikipedia page or you go to Brownsville Hookah quick quicker pdf page where. The. Crime did go up and. Problems massive problems. For so many reasons. Yes. That could have been prevented just like now somebody thinks could have done right but they were done wrong and it's A lot of people's fault. You know a Lotta people are. All part of it and on on all sides. It's wrong. It never should happen, but it did happen and. We had to get out. According to my parents got. So they sent me. And and then for whatever reason I guess we ran out of money. I. Don't know why but we ended up moving to see and I'm sure the image was. Who White People? Because it was ninety nine percent one. Absolutely, what it was is Asians Italians juice pretty much. Not. Even like. Vern I kid you not. Between Foster Avenue where the Brooklyn Terminal Market was and the and the Water Jamaica Bay. And from I don't know Mill Basin Ralph Mu whatever there was a certain area, you were ninety nine percent white I know that for a fact, there was no all the all the black kids in my junior high school were taking the bus city bus they were taking the city bus, not a school bus city bus and and then eventually I went to high school, which at the time was the largest high school I think in all of New York City five, thousand, six, thousand kids in this high school they will. The projects over there on the other side of Ralph Avenue. But there was those borders there were definitive borders and if anybody rented or try to buy, there was going to be a problem the there was a core group of people that were GonNa make sure that sale or that rental didn't go down there because it was fear there was intimidation and all that stuff that was one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven recently. These are bad times in new. York City area. Bad Times for the city financial ole SIS corruption and craziness there was no whoa. Kness and square was was a whorehouse. It was Disney. So everything was totally different drugs all that stuff and So Yes. So that lady said I remember distinctly going what I remember, what what an animals like, my buddy, my little Louie Louie and I would ride big wheels together the courtyard. I. Puerto Rico friend you know we will dig wells. What do you mean animals? Who The hell am I? You know you guys are always beating me for being A. which is also by the way a little. Little Westward can't remove door, but it's like you're referring to these people's animals but you're always treated me like I'm on the black sheep of the family you know. But even at six I kind of felt like, Oh, my sister was a good one. I was the bad one but I was always mischief but anyway, but So that's that's the story man they moved into the all white and I did you know I did make friends? I made a lot of friends. But I was I was really out of place because for the first nine years of my life, I was sheltered in my in my room. I just did a podcast about it call them. All I. WanNa do is play something like that was one of my last episodes well. I want to do is play and I just wanted to play with I wanted to play with my cars I wanted to play with my blocks. I, wanted to play with my johnny lightning. My my hot wheels just wanted to play and. I didn't have any prejudices I just wanted friends and then Austin they all were already playing basketball and with a ball stick ball ability, they use it on me with athletics father. The Not do any athletics with key mentioned that while a lot of people can imagine, but me is I really dead nine years nothing. No. Throwing a ball nothing nothing nothing. So by the time I got to cross the I was out of place. Wow. I was totally out of place because I was like. All right. Great. They're all white but. What do I care actually care and? I still don't care, but it doesn't care. Then in the it was it was it was a straight. So by the way, so I'm always on the outs. WHERE DO I fit in? So guess what I did I made friends with everybody. Yeah. I. Was friends with the nerds as friends with the with the only because I really want I wish was the mafia kids. Wasn't friends with that because they want to be friends with anybody. Angry they play with each other and you knew it was always the kids who were across. You're always wearing some sort of cross around the neck. Crosses. What's that little red thing that they wear the Italian red pepper, the red. Devils worn or something I don't know I was across. The Cross. Yes. So they were wearing across like, oh, you guys, are you all to the? The Brat Pack, whatever you're all the rat pack like Y'all got college shirts and you're. Not Wearing. A t-shirt shirt that your grandma got you when she went to on vacation and. You know I had a little. I. Had a shirt. Once said, my name is Dave don't bug me. A picture of a lady bug I would walk around like Kevin Arnold wonder years so anyway, but I made friends with the guys audiovisual words. I was friends I had friends I lived in on a thing called pat get p. a. e. R. D. E. G.. I don't even know what that means, but there were like fourteen Patta gets. Patty get five I, lived in Padua. Five. Kind of friends with the kids are panicking. We did all the sports but I was also Frederick Paddock at seven to eight. I had friends every paddock at East Eighty East Asia. I. J K I had friends everywhere. You know why? Because I just wanted to play I just wanted to play. I just just you know I thought life was going to be like this. Forever. Make as many friends as you catchy always have please go it. So they do I didn't WanNa stay home. I hated being in my house I wanted to be you know with everybody. was definitely not cool. I was just to killing everybody else. And had guy you've got friends that were girls but not like we go hang out and. But. Anyway but So that's part of my hosting thing I president everybody I was friends with everybody in comedy who was very people I didn't like it. If I didn't like him. There was probably a reason because they disrespected me or they disrespected the stage they disrespected the show or I knew they were up to no good. Yeah. There was a couple of community I don't like your attitude. You know what I'm going to be with you. You're not going to do me any good anyway so but But yes that was. Weird. what you said to me. Canberra kind of reminds me also to things as a that way sets me. Kind of reminds me of this others Matt Damon movie called the call suburban. and I don't know if you've ever seen it before but it's a cool movie where like there there is just like this. All Its suburbs is that the suburbs all white, right. So there there is a new family that came in and and that new family is black. Side but the but inside of that someone is like I guess like there is beef between to other people that are there and. Things go on and aside the community. And everyone is looking at the black people. they are thinking that that is people causing associated so they're processing likely. They don't realize that the people who are really fucking their lives up are the white people in that bucket neighborhood you know yeah, it's. It's. It's a crazy thing where like Everyone is so. focused. On the back of moving in that, they can't see what's right and from there is it's it's it's a pretty cool movie. You know I never heard of this movie other Yes poster still supposed to buy rope. Yeah. What are you? Check it out. When you come out two thousand seventeen. Amazing. Amazing I've never heard of this movie. Alright. Suburban Con-. Yeah. We'll check it out and the second thing is I I listen to one of your podcast yesterday go down and what you said it was totally correct is that like you you understand Why. It was kind of so much crime in the area because if you don't give anyone the something to step on, of course is going to be like this backlash where there's so much crime and things happening and people doing things because like you know they're not You're just putting people in a area without. Giving them guidance or help on something years just like here you go go so so so if you give them like you know no education and no funding for anything of course, the outcome is going to be what you see. Absolutely I mean I it was doomed from the start. You know as soon as you know, Brownsville, in East Newark was once all forms. A Brooklyn was. Back in the day. Turn of the century nine, thousand, nine, hundred, not even like eight hundred, thousand, nine hundred got a lot of farming going on then the industrial age came by World War One and all that other stuff but you know the. White Jews were predominantly owning reliving all over in a browser as New York and then. You know for whatever reason because we like to leave we left, but we didn't leave because black people coming left because I don't know where they went and why they went, but they went and then they said, okay, well, he go. So I guess back in the day. They were these real estate offices that were breakdown. 'cause you sold to black support Regan's whatever. But they did they did all that. So bag today things weren't so bad and then but you know there was the. The government was corrupt or they had corrupt people building. The housing which. was. No. Good. In theory a good idea but you gotta take care of the building. You can't just set up a building and walk away he's. Got To provide. The war you know and. Then and the jobs weren't there. I don't know where the jobs went, but the jobs weren't there And then. The city never got right now but. The thing. The thing that you're talking about right now that I've that some people disagree with is is what people call systematic racism like. It system that that That stomach rolled. Controlled and by by these by these people in power ends, people have power are majority white people in power so like when you have happened and people already have these. These preconceived notions or or just or just all out in general of course, did not gonNA fucking help anyone else. So this is the reason why this thing happens and select so but you have all generations. You know of this happening, of course, is going to be Shitty for people who who are not giving the chances to to do anything like you know that that makes sense. But some people like Kinda. They they. They think it's bullshit you know. I believe there's an I. totally. Listen. I'm a High School Graduate College I'm a truck driver. So I I always got to be careful what I say 'cause I always admit if listened to my show enough I always met I don't know anything I really admit that right away I am talking on a foundation of I know nothing. Yeah but I go with my gut I go I go to what I've seen and what I feel and I don't have an agenda. My show I don't lean left I don't. I Walk Forward towards the truth 'cause that's what I want. That's what we need and the truth is I I believe that there is Systemic racism and I also believe that everybody is. Is culpable at you know did you hear the show way rattled off for the mayors of new? York eight, hundred, fifty am. And most of them are Democrats up until Giuliani for the most what Mayor Lindsay was Democrat in for some reason over Republican I don't know what that was all about. The next hot actually the same thing. He Changed Yeah he's changed I thought he was Democrat the whole time. Now he he went from from Republicans and Democrats. All right. Hidden in. Koch and yeah you know so like real and almost borough presidents all those council really since nineteen, fifty, two to you really can't figure out Brooklyn. You really can't understand what's happening here. Show, you know. I think I think a lot of has because it's like I. Think I think the Democrat. The Democratic Party now is very different than it was back then. So so like you know the Democratic Party now are like are so so aware and so woke. have. To fuck that I don't believe I don't believe at that time that that they cared about it like that like now now you see people pushing for Democratic candidates to like really care about the community but like yeah, I don't think at that time as that that they really cared about people in the communities that the the idea was you know get another term and and do the fuck you with it not necessarily care. Going on there unless you're pressure but easily pressured US don't have to give a fuck about you know right Host, when people like? People like say like it was Democrats but like he had like, you have to look at things in in the context of time that it was then and majority Democrats and I include Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton and everyone's like their majority, white people and those things. So they're going GONNA do whatever is right for their base to get elected again. So so absolutely. So that's like not giving up or like you know drilling a crime bill that that was that proportionally like put black people in jail or a black man specifically in jail it doesn't necessarily mean that because the Democrats do did it because that is what they're appealing. Right right. Yeah, you know it's funny because countries. How? Doing? How am I doing? Well, if you're white person hey. Can you come to my building? Over here we eat. You know we got rats. We got hold the plaster whatever from the ceiling by the way. I have been seeing this. It's amazing to me that I've been seeing this ever since I remem-. Wasn't a time I have to say this right there wasn't a time in my life that I didn't know that the projects were not the place to grow up not the place to live, and of course, they were always dangerous. They were always malfunctioning elevators crime rate drugs. How to explain to me how is it that I've known this I'm a little boy little Kevin Arnold right a little more than two years. I'm just as little boy watching mcgilla gorilla and you know speed race watching TV I, turn on I witness news and there's Roger Grimsby Bill Beutel here now the news crime. Brooklyn Rosen Scam and Della cry cry Ron Johnson I used to love eyewitness news. I fancied see myself one day working for them but it never happened. But you know it's like crime crime crime like I've seen this every day. So what what the F.? Beam Mayor Beame Bear God. Nothing nothing until Giuliani but but you know. I was that was great for Manhattan still wasn't great for Brooklyn, lots of parts broke down there by Brooklyn the whole. Downtown Flatbush That came around pretty. Giuliani did did did what he did but like I if it wasn't for necessarily the benefit of everyone like right. The only benefit that he did was like you know clean up clean up in but but like even even the people went against that because like people were so they were so used to. What Time Square was? That they wanted to keep it in L. A.. So like you know he he ruffled feathers and depending on who you are. You can say that like he did good because Times Square is way different now than it was, you know at least you know at least twenty, five, twenty, five years ago and beyond. So let that's it but also like his his main, his his two claim to fames were were taken down the mafia you know And and he did that and eleven right. But like but the thing the things in between those no one likes him either you know. But but like you know, it's just this is where which hooking thing you know that. People are doing good for a certain thing. But as a as a general for the for the community itself, you know he did good time square because you know he got deals with Disney and whatever they came in. Holy took over the whole area and that really was great for tourism because it's safe to walk. Now, you could get to see a Broadway show like Shrek? Frozen you know you get to do all that. Now by the way, I used to perform at a theater on forty second street between tenth and Eleventh Avenue, and we would walk this theater comedy improvisation. We walk was seventeen. So it's nineteen, thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen, eighty-one we walk the steeler and we walked towards midtown and before we get to the corner. transvestites. And hookers and and Giuliani didn't do good by them because they will have to move. I don't know what all these hookers did for a living after a while I can't. I would I would really I know you try to be serious about New York what I really want to know what happened to these like when they say, Hey, we gotta go live packing up their training suitcases. Hooker Hooker. Hooker clothing. Pets. Nice they hey, hey, how're you doing? Some some. Had to get a real job. Yeah. I. Guess. So I don't know. But that's that's that's the underbelly like another side of the story but. But That building I remember the building on the corner of forty second and tenth before taking that condemned. Now, it's like a huge hotel. So, many of those buildings got condemned. So those people were. Gone where they went but but you know Giuliani and all those mayors didn't do right by them because you know they were ripe for being helped years ago, and by the way I would be my father's car we would drive from Karachi. To lower, east side of Manhattan where my mother's grandparents parents had to Weber's fruits and Vegetables First Avenue Fourteenth Street we go right down was it Rogers Avenue all the way through Williamsburg Williamsburg was disaster for ever really see that I didn't know Oh you know. Because the Williamsburg you know now yeah no, no, no, no no. That was dangerous on Long Island City back in the day dangerous. Oh. It was so many areas that were show so bad. In Brooklyn. Right down. There would be hookers L. on the need to train. It'd be hookers all night long and my parents would drive me back and forth Manhattan whatever and I go. Wow. Look at us, twenty women I was. In the back of my car. My parents were paying attention to each other in the front and I'd be looking at who sat for. Who knows a nice short and this? This is what I was seeing firsthand I was seeing prostitutes. I was seeing pips I was seeing cadillacs I was saying what you would you know what spike Lee would put putting a movie I was seeing it it. It was pretty cool to me. I always loved all those those. Movies. Okay. I get it. I love it. And Pam Grier. I missed that boat longtime. Yeah Pam Grier. She still has a Hottie. But you know what? If If I was taking old back in the day. But why would have one out to her every? Career. I hope I'm not sounding. Creepy. Need. To a man standards no I. Think you are at that was The she didn't movie Richard Pryor cold, greased lightning. And Oh, my God I watched it I love because I'm an auto racing fan. He plays Wendall Scott the first the first NASCAR. Black racecar driver. When that's the movie greased lightning and prior disagreed job. Wow. But. Yeah Yeah. Oh Yeah. You never heard of it grease. Grease lightning listen I love to sit down and watch it with you. We should do that but. Angrier. Just. Such a woman. Such. A woman. Anyway that would be a good reason to be in show business if you could work with her in a movie and she says the standard but anyway but yeah. So I New York and I want to stay what is difficult here. Now, even more because I'm older like, how do you not motivate? How do you not create? I just didn't understand how you can have all those mayors, all those governors, all those presidents, and here we are two thousand and twenty. I haven't been to Brownsville in a long time. So I got to be careful what I say. I don't know what it looks like now I know there's a lot of parts of Brooklyn that are totally reform you. Know Different. I'm so amazed at you didn't know that Williamsburg, what's what's upon a time? A very, very dangerous drug infested crime infested area you know as. All Been Redone, I mean, and and even the part with a Hasidic Jews lived where they still live now. Those those. Of stuff got redone to. Manhattan beach back in the day was all bungalows. Would have you been in Manhattan beach lately I for the first time last week. That's my mother's nursing home was before she died and that was all bungalows and then. I guess it was the Russians came in. Don't man. Yeah. I. Don't know where this money came from way took bungalows live in. I. Used to live part time one of those bungalows 'cause I used to drive a bus for trailways and I had to schedule I stay with my friend and he lives right across the street from Kingsborough, community college and. And he was in his bungalow and then the landlord said, hey we're we're selling and you gotta move. So he moved to California whatever and the bungalows now all the. Muslim whatever a, it's not a mausoleum it's A. Coliseum it's like. Imagine. Dimensions, that got. All these houses are fucking huge and. And they're all around like I'm these these have to be at least like fucking twenty million dollar homes or I would demand. It's crazy crazy millions of dollars crazy crazy crazy now and uh so. It's so far like they come I don't WanNa say how'd you come from Russia? BAUGE and boom. You got money you know. So people tell me hey, dave that money's not exactly a legitimate I don't care. Gear bringing on a plane. And you know the blacks have been here since nineteen fifty year. Still living in squalor arousal I. Don't get it. Yeah, see. That, that's the that's the same way I feel about like like a like a Benson Harrison and and beverage and Doug you're. Like, like all all the houses over there are amazing in the in the neighborhoods. Awesome. But the only reason why that neighborhood is great is not not only because of racism and beginning but like but like the fact that like a lot of that money is kind of dirt money Um. Houses because like it's crazy that that someone has that type of arrangement of money to build a house like that or or like or like maintain it. You know. So all those like. 'cause like you know. A variance bittner. was at the time you know back is like all Italian and mean so you know everything that happened within the years with the titans as far as the mob share on everything that created this fucking community everyone around and like having Nice area you know. And it's not until now where like where you really see what that really did. Right? Exactly. Old Old mom houses. Yeah and it. Shape but I feel I. Feel so terrible about it and it's such A. Such a waste of time and. I don't know I you know this book's about listen I'm not a learned person. I don't do a Lotta reading. Books about what happened. Have you have you read Michelle Alexander's book the New Jim Crow Not yet. I say, I read it but you know I listened to it on. The same thing but. Amazing I got a friend of mine who's very very smart. He's a professor. White Jewish kid grew up with and we had we just had a conversation about today. I know you like that book I didn't like that book as much as you eat like a book I why he goes because there's a lot of things. She says, that are only part of the story. There's still more to that story, but you know she's selling a book and go. Okay. Well, maybe that's true. I bought that Book Hook Line and sinker. I totally by I see I, understand it. You know once you had. Oh, by the way that movie you recommend it Thirteen Yeah Oh my God same thing. The book is the same thing is that movie were different but say Nine thousand nine hundred seventy something three hundred thousand people in prisons in the United, states? And then thirty, four years later, three, million whatever it was. You know that's crazy that you go from three hundred thousand and they were experts supposedly saying that at some point in time, we will no longer need the prison system. Because there were so few people in prison. Yeah. That there was they were moving towards a different way of life that you weren't GonNa need this I remember hearing in the book i WanNa say read in the book but I didn't read it but I heard it on tape so three, hundred that movie that you recommend it thirteen. Three hundred thousand people in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty something, and then now we're at over two million or three million how many people and predominantly. Black population here I mean. I think I think people don't understand like like the big part that the that the government had a that the played in this you know not not just not just after slavery was over and and and they ended up the Jim. Crow is like everything else after that you know because If you. If you if you watch like movies or whatever the fuck are understand like you know there was part of you know. An I take California, for instance, California was like the people that were there. There were there were poor but like still live nicely and and they were they were so gangster but the gangs gangs that were the blessing cribs wasn't with the buzzer trips are now right Bloods and crips were like created as a as a community organization to to to to help the community and also give people who want to help you. Get fuck out to, and of course, you do that by like minded about balance but it wasn't so much directed towards two people tied humidity and and it really wasn't until the government funded drug war that that happened that all these drugs are being put into community where like one person realised. That you can put baking soda and and and cocaine together to make Iraq For that to happen and there's Not Selling this fucking can stop because he know that like you can't. You can't sell this stuff to to why kids because why kids are GonNa be like when you're white like it's A. Certain area people are going to recognize that there's random black kid coming into your fucking they're selling show. So like what you do is that you stay in your own community and start doing this up which is fucked up but whether it was last week, it was at the time and it wasn't until like money really start being made by it that these gangs started having these these these this like inside the community drug and turf war. So because because if you watch all these things like you can, you can fuck and see it and then on top of that the guns that were being brought into the like like there's no way. No know where to get a fucking Uzi From and fucking nineteen ninety nine. Has To be presented took them from someone else. So like. All, all the everything the government had to play an side of it is reason why should happens now which which which is the reason why like what one of the reasons why we're still far behind than than anyone else you know because it had a big role inside of it in the first place. Listen I don't disagree I. Don't know everything is to know this this other thing you were talking about the bloods and crips news to I don't go studying them. I. Know My my life, my area and. You know I see these movies and I go wow, it's. So crazy that this happened but I I want to be perfectly clear. I think the government response by still think people have to be responsible for themselves. People did get out of Brownsville people become successful. Yeah. You're listen you. You're doing pretty good for yourself. I got a buddy of mine that. I grew up with that grew up with we knew each other for about three or four three years is how show high school I spoke to the other day and he grew up a shepherd. New Lots and Linden. Boulevard. Down there. Almost almost on Queens border anyway but he took a forty five minute bus ride to. Central High, school and and he couldn't do extracurricular S. was it wait a minute? How did you do extracurricular goes I had to get on the bus I had to go home. His parents, his father was a copy thing and. I forgot his mom but he had good fairly integral mom and dad, and they wanted him to have a better education. They also black family. All Black did not so my family. You know you could say, Hey, your mom and dad a little racist I think they were being protective of their child. And here it is a black family did not want to send their two sons to the local school because they knew that it was crying and it was dangerous. And that is so they sent them on the bus and said the down the road. Yeah. When things like that happened? It's because like because they are. Kinda Kinda well off to do so and so when you have like a good home structure that me like people, people do still law even even at good home structure but. What? When you really have a good home structure especially as a black person it is. It is a lot easier for the people there to to see success in order to really be successful you cannot really even have to see it and seeing it is from the people that from your parents or. When you see it. You can do like if you had a parent that that that went to college. All. These fucking things you know that eventually you're going to end up doing the same thing because that's what that's what preceded you then s right. So so when you're when you're in communities, where like where you know someone might be might be a drug addict or something like that, and both parents might be drug at as a one might be drug addict. One person is like struggling hard to to make it work. That is the. That's where it falls in where like even if as a person you are you are. You know kind of responsible but like it's kind of hard to be responsible when you worried about everything else. Besides that thing to be successful I totally got it. I got into, you know again it's all a shame and I, you know I've always done the best I can with everybody you know that from your experiences, he listening you and I have hung out, we've hung out you know we've broken bread you know we've and and. You know I love you like a son I love a brother and and. I have. This. Whole thing is this whole thing that's happening makes me feel sick when I talk about it I, hope things change I i. I wish that I took a different career path. And I don't know if I ever wanted to work in government but you know. To help people got bigger truck driver doesn't really do much. It's not exactly why should have ended up but There's no reason for any of that to happen I. There's nothing I can do about except to be the nicest best person I could be. And that's and. They know whatever So so So at what point were at grown up in Brooklyn where where you decided to go to the navy like wh what was the catalyst behind you sign do that What maybe go to the navy yeah. Well, I I walked out of central high school diploma and I was like, Oh my God. I fooled them. They think I'm a graduate. Like, hip they didn't want me to stick around. Yeah. He didn't want me to stick around like all right. You know you can go now like really yeah, you suck. But get out of here you know. Okay and I got a job working for this company delivering. Cigarettes and candy was called Royal Cigar UTICA Avenue I drove a little van I went to all these you know candy stores have been whatever and I had a route delivered you know. Okay now we remember I delivered I delivered cigarettes and candy and a one day I'm going down I don't know somewhere in green point right? Just kind of a tough neighborhood two point. NASA much now, of course, not of course, everything's. Going out with his van in the van with this old guy, we got this van full with by the way stamped cigarettes. Taxes whatever stamped is totally different from unstamped. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I get out of. And I'm just going to say. You Know Joey and Jimmy Soprano meet me and Mike co-pilot. Says listen got their fingers. I'm assuming it's their fingers in their shirt to say, don't say nothing follow us. So we follow them. We get into this like Chevy Impala La drivers and I never saw the van. And we got. We got hijacked. We got we got Jack At. Two I'M GONNA. Say Italian but. They didn't want me to make eye contact but for the short time when they were talking to me and I said, Hey, is that shirt your finger or you upset to see me? I mean is that a finger on your shirt or you? Jackie and. Anyway. So I got Jack All right well, so much for candy and cigarette delivering. I think I. Got I got no possibilities I signed up for the navy. I was totally feuding with my father. We didn't talk for like Oh you live in the same house. My father didn't talk to me for a whole year. We've just would walk by each other not. Gosh we wouldn't whatever. So. I Love You dad so. By the way am I show now I play the voices of Harold. Yeah. Awesome I. I like hearing. The voices of how for the people who listening I play these voicemails that my father leaves because he's death. So he has to call me through an interpreter and it's always. Funny to hear the woman's voice or the old whatever some other person's voice tone my father. So I, call them the voices of Harold little by the way you'll never hear that by the way. This is good. This is a tip for you. We'll give giving give you one day canyons tips for podcasting success, which, of course, I am not achieving but. I love giving stand up comedy of is David J famous no but I got good advice they've had your. It's doing nothing but I got advice. So anytime you do anything that you think you're the only one doing it feel free to brag about it go ahead so. My podcast is the only podcast that's playing a voicemail. From death father via an interpreter I ain't the only podcast in the world that you'll hear that and you won't hear it anywhere. You want here. McMahon. You won't hear Joe. Rogan. You'll want here in any other show on spotify. You'll only hear it on W. Dan. With Dave the voices of Harold and sometimes Sonia I've had a couple of voicemails from Sonia, my Mama. So I'm playing these voice because how did I communicate with my dad? They will call me through this interpreter. You hear these voices and you hear these screwed up messages and it's pay. So anyway I had nothing going on I know skills nothing and. You WANNA by the way before I tell you about the Navy, you want me to tell you but there's other I mean, it's GonNa appropriate for the show I can tell you a little racist story about why I went to. High School. Right here we go and winds up. Okay. So I told you about when we for credits. The lady says to my grandmother, my father's mother the matriarch of the family says good thing that he's coming here because that other schools all animals. Yeah. Okay. So I- flounder I do nothing you know I'm CS DS for the rest of my career whatever and now I'm in junior high school whatever ninth grade and you gotTa pick a high school in Ninth Grade Right. Because you do eleventh and Twelfth Junior, senior softball whatever three years of high school. Some guys icicles a four years. We had a three high school so we're ninth grade. Say Hey guys in the next couple of weeks. You're GonNa talk to you a great adviser and you're going to pick a high school. You know you have choices and I didn't even know that what you have choices really. So you can go to high school performing arts. Right Remember Fain I'm GonNa live forever fame. You can go to high school performing arts. You can go to this one the one of Science High School Science High School what was Nice schools like Oh okay. I didn't know that I thought I just had to go to the road no, you don't have to go to that one. Okay. This is how little I knew about life. So he goes Mike Time by the way I didn't even know I had agreed adviser I didn't know any of this I don't know where my brain was, but I didn't know anything and my parents were absolutely one hundred percent not involved with school. Why would they? They don't know what's GonNa. Okay. So I go down to this. Canyon your neck. So go down to this room and my math teacher is there Mrs Schwartz? I told the story my podcast several times. Not a fan of mine I was not a fan of her she. She was not happy. In her job, she did not like teaching math I. Don't know what personal life was like. I, know she didn't like the color of her hair because she changed it all the time. So she's one of those old ladies that goes to the Beauty Paula, her hair red yellow, whatever you get. So. UPTIGHT, angry not happy her life. That's my assessment. Now is a fifty six year old back. Then I just knew that she hated me and I wasn't crazy about her I was a student. I didn't want to be there and learning in school and whether it'd be outside. Doing that. So she says to me. So Dave. Did. You pick a school? Did you figure high school? I said yes, I did. I picked Grady Vocational Tech, school in Coney Island are you familiar with that burden now? No not at all that's where you go to be an automotive mechanic or bodyman that's where you go technical to grady vocational tech still exists still exists. I was like, this is great. I'm going to go to grady I'm GONNA become a mechanic and I'm gonNA WORK IN NASCAR or I'm going to be or I'm going to drive a truck across the country but I'm Gonna I'm GonNa know how to fix I'm going to be that guy I was had no inclination for the canucks, but I had no fear. No fear mechanics I didn't know anything I never fixed A. Great she looks at me she goes grady. Why Grady I so close to. Fix what I work at NASCAR whatever I wanted to do race cars and I wanted you know she goes Oh, you're not going to greedy. That's where the animals go. I was I was stunned what I mean now I gotta be honest that comment bothers me now more than ever but at the time I was disappointed like. Why am I here you? Just you just. Finally I had a choice. Yeah I needed the crisis cheever I. There's no reason for me. I was a good. We weren't kosher. Lie A big life we use I lived a life. And then now They bust into the neighborhood then they move. I'm always like I don't belong here and now I'm picking a place that I could start fresh tenth grade I'm to learn how to fix a car. Do I want to do this no because. Those were the animals go. Wow. Okay. I go to south sure. She didn't say to me well Dave. I seen in the school place maybe you should go to school high school performing arts. You know you got. To audition. Was No reparation for the. So by the way, that's sort of why identify I gotTa be careful I I don't know if identify but I relate to the situation of young black men and black women and Bradley because nobody was nobody's helping me. My parents could help me nobody helped me I was like. Myself and getting my ass kicked by these kids and I try to be friends with everybody in the world I just wanted to play and. So I walked out of that I guess I'm going to school and that was the Internet. And I couldn't I couldn't go home which again, this is why relate to a lot of people struggling coming out of Brownsville East? New York in all areas of the United States Because nobody to turn to. My Mom and dad did not have my back. So like you might be available you WanNa, go to your your mom your dad. You Might WanNa go to your landlord. You Might WanNa go to your job you might want to go to your governor. Nobody. To turn to nobody gave a crap like well. It's good for the other five thousand kids get enough you like but I wanted to be mechanic, and of course, in my Jewish household my white Jewish household it was like you will be isn't the choices a lawyer doctor. Accountant, and then they threw in computers and they would say it like this vern Dave, you should do computers. Due compute wh what do you do a computer? This is what Grammar Frito. It says she do computers my nephews. My Friends Nephews Charlie. He's doing computers. He's doing very well by the way this commodore days how this way way back. We do computer. When you look at me you see Dr. You. Yell at me. You beat me. You tell me how What a devil my mother would call me the devil she go and finally what she goes you're the devil trump. I mean I was always doing everything. Wrong. How do you see me going to college and becoming this? Of course now I know how hard it is to be a doctor, a lawyer and accountant, and that computers well, I just went to high school wasted three years really, and then joined the navy. This I had nothing going on nothing going on and. By the way the only Jew in the navy. I mean I know that's not true. But we're I worked everywhere I went. The most there was one other. He was not wearing a Jewish star around his neck and he was. And it wasn't like Oh, I heard you were coming. Wasn't welcome. Told you will come. It was like I was there with the with the with the Alabaman's with the Carolinas I was there with. I was there with everybody was a melting pot, and by the way ninety, nine percent of the people that I was in the navy with in almost a four year there, and this is very, very true. This is not even a making this up and everything. I'm telling you is true ninety, nine percent of the guys that I served within the Navy we're not patriotic. No No. Not at all nobody cared we will all just trying to get away from our fathers. We all just trying to get out of small town America or even be we will all. Listen if you if you had anything going on your an officer yeah, you would go to officer training school. We were just kids we had nothing going on the education systems failed. that. All of us. Many of smart kids but not smart enough. Because if you were smart enough, you'd be in college. If you had money, you'd be in college but there was a Nice Little Gi bill but it wasn't really the reason to go to the navy. Yeah but. We all just listen. We all just wanted to get away nobody nobody in the four years. Williams when he does that thing about nails. Can. I caught a little cat will cat Williams? He does his thing about girls black women with their nails, break the nails and they get all upset that they deals and cat he goes never never in the world of them. Hey. Your nails. No we're not having sex. Yes. Great. Line I. Love what he says that I love that word that he says, but anyway I only feel comfortable saying it with you and your show but. Never, never in the four years as a navy say quite I I love fighting for our country nobody said that he would say, when do we get Outta here I'm GonNa, go drink I want wins my liberty Wednesday going to ring the bell and four thirty. We would have liberty off the boat. We go down to the Olympic club Google we'll drink get drunk and act the fool and try to find some some we would call them heifers. Some hundred years have some sex. Go back. Go back to the boat get some sleep wake up in the morning and be in time for you know eight o'clock muster and you know do your job is four years of drinking and sex that was my time in the navy. Nobody cared about anything that worked with again just like Dukes just like my high school I was friends with the radio man I was friends with the torpedo man I was friends with the machinists mate I was friends with the sigma and I was a quartermaster, which is navigation. I was friends with officers. Was All these people nobody talked about how great it was to be in the military and fight for our country? We we weren't at war. We weren't at war we were just playing around. At the end of the Cold War we would track Russian subs and I was on a submarine. We would follow Russian subs for days on end never hit the button and could have blown up twenty Russian subs never would follow him for days but. They called them tracking parties anyway but. It was all about getting home. It was the job and so anyway. That was up in the navy. I know you ask that question about thinking about an hour ago I finally. Looked listening but. You know I there's there's always interesting cause I always there's always a thing where you know you're you're older than me but like it came, it came at a time when like you know. The you only have to trace like you said either either to go to to military or or do college but that depending on depending on like if you had the money to do so you know So that was a that was a big thing with it. You know. But like it even gets to me a bit more when you say that like when you say would you say you said that like we didn't. About about you know. Loving. Loving Levin the United States enough to to protect it. You Know No. No there was none of that. Nobody cared it was it was never came up conversations like, Hey, man you got you got that tape. Hey man, you got a cigarette. DRINK YOGA drinking. Hey, did you see that girl I was with the issue was hot? Yeah. She's she's married but whatever I got late last night. It was all about that for four years everybody from eighteen years old and nineteen years old up until thirty five whatever it was. It was all about that and I'm not degrading to me I'm not saying that we did our job and we wore the uniform and we did our job and. If. We weren't at war. War things have changed a little bit. We you. You get tested when you're at war but we never wore. So when I was, there was all about just. Getting, drug get laid in getting out of the service as soon as you could except for the guys that might have liked it and very, very few. Liked it enough to re up I didn't there was no way. I was I was getting out of there. So I was ready to leave after bootcamp everybody should do two months of boot camp. To two months of BOOT camp, you're ready. Oh I get it. I get it. I'm ready to get me job ready to go to school I can do after two months of boot. camp. Vernon you can do anything you want. What? They break you down the first couple of weeks in the last couple of weeks. They bring you right back up and you're you're fighting you're like you're ready you're not going to kill anybody with a bayonet. You're ready to take on the world. I was ready my mom and sister came down graduation. They said, how do you feel like? Oh, I get out of here. So sorry mom I'm sorry ready I'm ready to be a good boy I. Kinda get a job and I gotta get a To do and Too late for that, you know Mr Schwartz took care that a couple years ago. So Yeah. So the Navy I traveled the world it was great but. You know whatever. So so so while you were in the Navy is, is that when you got turned onto to comedy well, I was always you know. Listen I. Love to laugh and. My parents were deaf. So what I would do when they were fall asleep. On the TV, 'cause I couldn't sleep I would be up to three o'clock in the morning. Maybe that's why do good in school but. I was by the way I was old enough to be I was old enough to stay awake late enough to watch the TV shut off. Yeah. But once upon a time, the TV was shut off it'd be do the national anthem and as pattern we. So I would stay up and I would. Watch Carson. I remember the first time I still carson. Point it became a bit of habit. I. Wait for my mom and dad to sleep and I would sneak out and I go watch carson and I would see Milton Berle and Bob Hope and you know Demartin and Don rickles and you know Johnny Carson just trying to cost I wanted to be Johnny. Carson. Well, my whole life I wanted to be Johnny Carson and my whole age they all say that and then later on everybody wants to be able to now know everybody wants to Chapelle zero nobody does anybody WANNA be. Fallon I hope not. Does anybody really wanted to be Kimmel or I don't know back in the day. It was cost. That was I want to be on. Carson I want to be Carson because he had all these friends. Yeah. Every day he had friends he had jazz singers. Writers, Poets Perform Regular people and all these people coming hoot and Holler and a guy would do. So with this great voice in Alabama and everybody was was around him everybody back him it was like, wow, that was their family and I love I romanced all of it so. I would always I was into comedy. Avenue Castillo and not so much the marks brothers not so much laurel and hardy now a lot more not so much buster Keaton and that's so much. Charlie Chaplin Really Avenue Castillo. The movies and then the TV show and also zillow. I. You want to be a monster breath fire by phone. It'd be cool if I could. But yeah so. I wonder do comedy and. I was when I got back. I. Think It was before I. Left Comedy is what I made my open mic debut. I made my open mic debut at a place called pips is sheep's a Brooklyn which is right down the road from Manhattan beach. Well, yeah. Right across the water from Manhattan. Beach Anyway is pips and that's what this. was when I was a high school senior I think it was I was dared a friend of mine dared me to do it, and that's where dice clay was breaking nineteen eighty-one. He was breaking Joan rivers had broken and. Jackie Mason and I'm not sure how many others but I went to a Wednesday night open mic. And let me tell you something I. Don't remember much of that night but I remember every comedian sucking sucking sucking suck I mean and and the bartender was throwing things at the performer like apor they it was like a weird clubhouse thing going on really any the guy that was running the Mike was the owner's son and the owner has since passed away son I think committed suicide and all this other stuff. But Jarmo Rooney by the way was a friend Joe Journal. Rooney. Even think the name sounds familiar. Yeah he's. He's sort of up here somewhere doing he was I dunno but anyway, he did a show he did radio show that. Pat Lynn. Pat Lynn. Comedian Pat Lynn got a job working on drama Rooney's morning show and picks one, zero, six, point five I think up there in but he was he was doing radio show I, know because. was doing comedy for Comic Syndrome. What's his name? Russ set me up. With a guest spot to promote comic syndrome. So anyway. So you're then he became a cop or something I, don't know but this open mic guy, the owner's son Gamy John Moll Rooney's phone numbers. You should call the sky after I did my my. My Wednesday night opened my debut. and. Then we will. We leaving we stayed the whole night listen two thousand Dick Jokes that it was just horrible horrible night. Nobody made me laugh and then it was embarrassed painful and leaving my The guy says hey. Could you up oh? Okay. I was leaving vern I was walking out done. I dared. I did it. Time to go. And my Buddy Billy Billy Miller was his name billy is crazy crazy kid promoter rambunctious just out of control wired white like really wired up. But he was my friend I like him. You know he's even had good intentions. He had bad childhood bad bad broken home anyway just really just off like so bad for him. We got involved at some crap anyway. So Brooklyn, you gotTa Love It. You can get away with this crappy somehow. Manage life so. Billy says, Oh, you like it he goes. Yeah. He goes the guy goes you wanNA come back ago. When he goes can you come back Sunday for the regular show? Like open up to five minutes. I yeah. Okay. What like why? I? What did I do and billy goes. Because You'RE GONNA, pay you're GONNA pay him. Billy shut up shut up. You pay nobody. I'll give you five dollars for gas. Really. Okay. I'll be what time seven, o'clock whatever. Came in five. Came in Sunday for whatever regular Shaw they add like Ted People for them with my friends. So then I did I did the show Sunday and that was okay. I did whatever I wrote some new stuff whatever. I only had. No minutes I had no. two-minute whatever. That was okay and I just never went back to pips and then I went for the navy. I actually went to community college for a couple of months and then he joined the navy and then I didn't do comedy until I got back and then I did. The only joking was called. No, it's called the Boston Comedy Club and then. It turned into only joking or was called only joking and it turns Bob. Okay, right around the corner from the comedy cellar becomes. The bus. And I already had a connection to Chicago city limits was a comedy improvisational theatre on Forty Second Street between tenth and eleventh where I met recruit. Chrome and he has a documentary long longtime stand up comedian who hosted he's one of the he's one of the original comedy sellers St Right as. He has an open account for life. He goes in their orders food pastes nothing like forever he's he does the classes. So I do recall me as a documentary called a Rick Oh RC Rick and they did a documentary Sarah. Silverman. They all know him and I would go and hang out and watch these open mics and I would say Colin Quinn back in the day and all these other guys. It was it was it was quite an experienced and I decided to try but I was too busy. Really, a fulltime effort because I I was with my wife to be in I had to get a job and my family screwed up my head because they didn't. They never indulge me. They never say, Hey, we you're you're the devil, but you're funny devil and. There was no indulging days. No indulging there is no supporting of any of my dreams none of my dreams mattered they only. Dreams for me which were foolish because I was never gonNA live up to anything they wanted me to be so it was a struggle and. I didn't do anything until I moved to to Albany I mean you know upstate New York and then then. So. So At what time I, what time did you stop before? You came back to Albany like like? Oh. I got out of the navy. In Eighty six, I moved upstate I think the nineteen, ninety, nine, hundred, ninety, two. So it's two, thousand and twenty you know. So I do nothing for I, don't know twenty years and then I hooked up with Gregg Dallas Class. Was the second one I think it was in the second class and Wow I did that. So that was ten years ago whatever when did you get the two thousand? Eleven. I think I think outside doing Kalis I started doing comedy like two hundred, nine So yeah, I I think I met you in that year. All right. So so I was already I don't know how many months before you or how many weeks before you got there you take the class to know I just I just went oh okay. Yes. I took the class and I needed a little spark I took the class and It was great and by the way. Whatever I worked on in the class. Whatever I do any of that by the time I got to this day I just talked about the class is just talked about the funky elevator and the building did it work and it was a heart I just talked about that and I I didn't do any of actually written and it went over. Well, I just made it up made up on the spot, which is in a way very good in a way very bad because when I realized wait a minute what. I don't have to right? Yeah. I can just talk. Well, that could be good in that could be really bad and so that's what I went within the I. Did the next couple of years three years whatever in total between hosting. Working the working area like you did, you know doing the doing the thing. So so in that in that time where you weren't doing it, did you did you have like a like a? Missing at all or were you were you like taking of things that refunding? dammit. I. I have too much responsibility. So I'm not GonNa do this now year I was I met a woman. WHO was. Beautiful beautiful full she is. Hispanic German woman. Yeah. who was a princess Beautiful Black Hair beautiful is. Beautiful Beautiful Beautiful, beautiful and. I. WanNa hit it hit but. I I was in love. I, love it. So. And one of the first times I saw her in a social setting was at a Halloween party right off the Doll Parkway in Bay Ridge in some guy's apartment building. Yeah and I knew she was going to be there because we had mutual friends whatever and my best friend at the time. was his girlfriend was best friends with her? That's how. Long story but anyway, it's a very romantic story and. The first time I saw it a social setting was at a Halloween party and she was dressed as a princess and forget about it was just like. Oh my God. She's looking back at me like I'm just a schmuck. Ain't, GONNA hold back. Loser. I had hair I had air I was slim. I wasn't fat. Fifty six yet. I know game no gate. Nothing I. You know. Uncontrollable hot on. You know what? I look at her on my God and. We talked and. Then we dated and I had to I had to prove my worth and it was all about proving my worth. I had I truly get to my dad and I was also hard day because her dad was like, who's this loser which I was I was I just got out in the Navy I had nothing going on and Yeah. So it was all about taking care. I. Just became my father just GonNa take care of this woman I'm gonNA prove to everybody that amateur and I got all these crappy limo driving jobs cab I was just driving whatever could drive or whoever would pay me I'd work all night long all day long it never come home, which is exactly what my father did. All the mistakes he did and I just wanted to make her happy and make her comfortable and everything I ever wanted to do was got. Get it done. devoted. Voted now? Devoted, you just want to make that clear. and. Here we are. That was nineteen. I. Don't remember the Navy Navy. Say I met her in eighty six. Twenty we've been together for thirty four years. Thirty five. Did she know that? Did she know that that you were doing comedy? When you guys met. she. yes. She must have told her everything whatever I I no secret I was like you like me I. Like you. We're GONNA. You'RE GONNA. Let me touch your Bubis I'll tell you everything. A. Confessional. She pulled up a struggle Oh my God Pam who pam. Daughter because I would her. So I had this, I had this Hispanic you know. German I mean she she always makes me because so far this German but I don't see her I see. But. You know the part that you know that dominates the German the part that you know. He's Hispanic. Germs the part of the part that hates me. There's better place like, Hey, I like this guy, he's all right but Yeah man it was like I'm touching bubis so. I'm yours whatever you want me to do I'll do it and 'cause you know I've never had a woman goes. Yeah I'll do. It doesn't happen except for the Philippines. Pay. A lot of. A lot of pesos. So you know. So finally, I'm not paying somebody and they're being agreeable to get naked with me. That's big. So yeah. So I was devoted I I had to make a life I had I had to figure out why was going to do so comedy was waste she went with me a couple of times only joking whatever. We did that a couple of times and you know we we take it a Chicago city limits introduced it my friends from Improv and I tried to do a little bit of this and that do I had to go to work. Well. Who am I talking to? It's expensive then yeah. Even then it was expensive to live, we lived in Queens paying. I don't know eleven hundred dollars a month rent back in the day that we had to get roommates which we hated the whole sharing hated all that and we live my parents were while we had a carpet cleaning business that when we went bankrupt. We didn't file but we we basically went bankrupt I was in debt for years I carry this debt debt debt man thirty, thousand dollars in debt. Wow. From a business that went down the tubes because I'm not a businessman yeah I, had no foundation to run a business no business running a business that's the only business I had was the business but by father I wanted to impress them. So I bought a franchise in I lost all my money, my bar, Mitzvah money, my my bonds from was baby we cashed it everything lashes everything I live in my I lived in my childhood room at seven, sixty, four, eighty, fifth street I don't even know why I'm telling you these addresses. I assume people are going to google it but Google map seven, sixty, four, east eighty, fifth street I lived on the top floor and I lived in my childhood room. For the nine years Well whatever and small and moves me and my and my and my wife, and we had to bring all of our equipment from this carpet cleaning business up the stairs every day two flights because you couldn't leave it out in the van on Flatlands Avenue because it would get broken into and robbed. So we just took A. Bunch of my wife and I. So I ruined his princess. I gave her calluses because I made a clean carpets with me and I was a bad businessmen horrible at it had no business being in business but yeah we worked we were talking man we had nobody helped us with this and my father didn't help nobody was. Yeah whatever. We did this for three four years and then I finally got a job driving a bus. And That was the beginning of the. For me know it's time to go from one seventy, one, hundred, seventy pounds size thirty, four ways to the beautiful round figure. So so. What what spark you to come back to stand up after all that time that you what foolishness. I could give you a really long answer but I feel like everything I've doing is a long answer and I don't even remember what the question was. So I'm going to give you a short very short. Foolishness I saw greg's Ed in one of those continuing education learning addicts whatever learning center, whatever the where those things are as like. Wow. Stand up comedy. God I got nothing going on in my life nothing. Oh. This is pre wait. I I don't remember this is pre having a child. I already had my son. And I don't know what it was. I saw the ad I still remember I don't know if I still have the paper, but you know it's basically Greg holding this microphone and its overhead shot, and he's kind of funny face like and I read the description I went. Oh By the way when I was living in New York. WHO's on I was a comedy club. Do you remember who's on first now? Not That's a comedy club on First Avenue in right around the corner from scores we're dern used to go with the strippers. So who's on first? They had a communist I never went I always wanted one never had the time never had the money. So I always wanted to take a class I always wanted to get back in but you know I I had to suppress everything she let me touch your movies. I. Burn does everybody understand that a woman a beautiful woman who could have done? She could have been with anybody she picked me and I was like, wow, and they really nice movies. Well, they were back then now know things have gone a little bit of. Things have gone south. We've all gone south but anyway so she's GonNa she's never going to get this. You'll never know about this interview I want to Brag about it, but I'm not. GonNa. Say because he knows I'm in the van she she she goes you got to do the one thirty. I did at one thirty. Okay. So how do you go very never showed up? B. N. T. I'll say would be empty. He was late and I said forget it so anyway. So. Yeah so What was it foolishness? I and I did it I did it in like. Now. And then, and now I, gotTa do it I. I did good my debut at the lock I did okay I service the good people like me. I said funny things and everywhere I made I basically roasted school experience I. You know I didn't record it. I never had I didn't have a smartphone until cardinals when I had these. Cameras these huge Olympus. High eight whatever. I was way behind the carbon I never recorded if it's okay, I. Haven't in my head and then everybody else showed up. You know Jamie Bride. You know who's the first your first guest Dan. Dan Dan than Rossi Yeah Rossi everybody to professor. What's his name? The ID, the Adela four or five. All of that and Donald The forest and. She's the house. Men's and. All I mean all of them. I was like. Family man I I mean whenever we didn't Hang I duNno. I wanted to be there. I just wanted to be part of it I don't care. I. Really didn't care how well I did. Hang out with you guys, I wanted to hang out and talk comedy in dissect it and and help each other and I was you know it was taken in to the family is anybody else was and then I made sure i. took everybody by the way one of the reasons why advocate Levy who you know recently passed, right? Go to reason why she came to the lock I reached out to her 'cause I saw her on facebook and I said Hey. I saw you profile because I used to do Budel. I used to she has this whole. Vaudeville past. She has this story I should come up to the mark, but she she was heavy shot a hard time walking or husband was sick but she made an exception she liked me and I. I was convincing her a woman who I knew nothing about. That I could tell by her profile picture, she was crazy and. We conversations. Come to all, but he comes to the LARK and I'm the only Jew. So she said okay. So. Anyway. I didn't say that, but but she came up and. You know I just wanted to be a part of I want to just. Watch those TV shows Dean Martin Peter Lawford Sammy. Davis. All that Flip Wilson all I just wanted to be that I wanted to be in that I didn't have to be the star. I just wanted to be a part of that. And that could be great and that was great for a couple of years we were there and they would have been graded. Some of US went to California created more of that. You know we created we put Albany to Hollywood or whatever but you know it's not that easy. It's very hard and who's doing it now really you're doing it and you know you doing as far as I'm concerned I know I know you have your whole side story, but you're doing great you doing great New York and Jay's doing our thing and I don't know who else is doing what what I think I think are out of everyone that like move moved to New York J. J.. Has Actually doing doing what we also set out to do. Yeah. Yeah. She's worked hard and I respect. Yeah. By the way I mean Everything against her you is what's going for her the novelty. I. Don't know if that's even she doesn't use it as far as I know maybe she does I don't know what you know now she does not you this. Okay. Well, whatever whatever works listen you know if people are into fact is I'm back I'm back. Way What happened Kevin James had an awful. Plane Crash okay. You. Know I'll be the next. Kevin. J I don't care. I'll be the next to veto I. don't care wherever a milk a milk it for all it's worth why not I? What am I going to do? You know I'm going to create something? No, they're going to tell me what they wanted to do and I'll do it so but anyway so. I just wanted to be a part of that. So foolishness again I I try to do short answer I gave you an hour and a half. So foolishness I had no no business doing what I did and I did it anyway and then my wife Said Oh God. Goodbye. You're you're gone and then I started driving all over the northeast for nothing burning gas no money I know my child. had. A coach soccer all this respond grass I. You growing grant and I. Not we'd you know I I'm looking at my lawn right now it's growing and laughing at me as we sitting at lasting grows I wash my. I gotTa Cook Ribs. It takes hours from the my you've never been to my house. I. Don't think I think I went there once but we left like right after for something guy had to get you know. Yeah I know people were talking no. No, but I had a party here. No Ron Simmons was here and his girlfriend and a whole bunch of people came here for you know whatever Barbecue Barbecue thing. I was here for that I am. I WanNa talk to you about something missing but. But books you know very very. If you take some really good books by the way but anyway but. Also for the barbecue. House. where I live so in the woods. and. Yes. So foolishness I know business doing it man and I don't know if I look back and regret it I. Don't know if I'm happy I mean I can't change it I don't think I should have done it I think I. Really should've just taken care of my son should've taken care of my wife and you know and can continue to touch the movies and have a good time for it. It definitely creates a wedge because you've got to be selfish you can't you can't be out. You know with your, you've got to be selfish deduced. You gotta work. That's going to think about it best what the? That's what I'm realizing now and I, think I think that's one of the things that like kind of contributes to be be saying fuck it as like I was never I was never selfish when when it came to the up comedy, I was like well, I I never got the the like the respect from the comedians that I was looking for. So I am going to be the the example and give them spent comedians and and give them the time and let them know what's up you know. And I think and in doing that I kinda put myself to the to the wayside. That is so like when when was starting people got to whatever level of power that they did it never reciprocated for the for the most part and I think that's one of the things I'll be like. Why like why the fuck am I really doing this? If if the if the always of stand up comedy isn't isn't working now in as far as being mayor for each other and help each other out you know and now now I feel that is like you know what? Fuck everyone you know at the same time I had that thing where like I want people to be together and lift each other up. You know what? I can say two things to you. First of all, I don't disagree with anything you're saying I feel for you because you know if I was down in New York with you, you know I would have had your back and you would have been doing a whole bunch of stuff. It makes me think about what you've been through because I know you gotTa Story and I I told the gentleman I I don't I know you're not making anything up I. Know It's real. It's not like you got like racist or racists. It's real. It's there's a problem. There's a problem and and you weren't treated right you weren't because people are too stupid to take the time and breathes breathe Vernon smelled environment. You know you you gotTa distinct style which I didn't realize. Ten years ago you would just getting started but over time you you know the whole milk thing that you do with the white people with brilliant. You've done some great stuff good stuff and your whole demeanor, all that stuff but so. I think that if you. Get back to when things return to normal I don't know when that's going to happen. If you decide to go back and you achieve any success, you're gonNA find yourself in a different category. Yeah I. I think you could be with different people where they go. Oh All right. We're doing this as opposed to now where it's so scratching tell me if I'm right it's a scratching like Oh f Vernon he helped me but today I'm not helping them back. Myself but when you get to a certain level where maybe you're on the road maybe May. Differ level. Maybe you go to California and maybe yeah, you're in a different. Because I never got to that level but I I see all these movies you know and I'm corollas movies, these other comedian movies and these guys work together your they they love each other. They warn each other like man that's that's beautiful Wyndham. You gotta be selfish now and be tough because you know that. You've you've had this experience. You've had this unfortunate negative experiences and I hate to hear you. You're thinking about not doing it because it'd be. It'd be terrible terrible waste of of of everything and I want smack in the face as they snap. Start. Saying sub verdict I sent doesn't say now be David Dick. gave the Dick. Done, it by the way I've said goodbye to some people in my life recently I, call them depleted. podcast there. You'd be surprised their depleted these people who sap your energy, they take your energy because you're so giving and you want to help them which to all the time naturally that even thinking about it, and then you're in the part of the phone call where it's like okay now. So tell me about you. So how can I help? You gotta go like wait a minute I just spoke to you for an hour on the phone I gave you all my energy. And then you leave and then. With the return of my, you gotta give me back that's the friendship and then I had to get rid of people because they were just sapping my energy. I, call them please and. I cannot express to you how much better. My life is now that I don't waste my time encouraging them. Yeah. I don't support that I don't get it their way. But I don't take their calls. I don't click like I don't share because you know what they didn't they want their me and if you're gonNA say that's not really a good basis for a relationship. Now, let me tell you something I'm making the decisions in my life and decisions I'm making is are you with me or against me because if you're not, if you're not with me, you're against me and these guys are not with me there for themselves and I support them I go to this shows I click like I share I spend money I do all this GonNa time to come time to me it's like, yeah well, you know. We're a little busy. You know my mom just show. I gotTa go you know. Like. Wow. All excuses. Isn't it? Oh I didn't know you had a podcast. Are you kidding me? You know so many things I've heard some of the most ridiculous things for. which these people they're selfish. They're selfish and their selfish in the worst way because I think there is a good selfish but there's a bad. selfishly, it gives what you're selfish I'm selfish. Do I am self? Ish hyphenated. I am self ish taking care of myself. So yeah. I like to see you do that I think that eventually. Somebody. Somebody's GonNa see you and go. Oh, now here's a guy that's doing something different. Yeah. That's putting thought. You're putting forty to it. Yeah I think. In. This in this time that that that's been going on, I've been I've been like Kinda. I'VE RIGHT IN DOWN Writing down ideas and I think it's Not, only from like whenever started. But especially now. I kind of realized. Kind of WHO I am and one of those things where everyone is down for a certain even though it might be down with it just to just to give a like a middle opinion on it are. Just and just kind of make fun of it. You know. So like I was I was think every everyone is so. I don't necessarily have joke for yet. But one of my ideas is Is. A. Everyone is very upset about the about the on Jemima Thing A. About her taking. Them taking the fuck in the thing off. The picture label you and and I realize. People feel that way because everyone is very use to. Her over over the years you know. The. They're used to seeing that face and haven't been having that be known that this is where you're getting your breakfast from right yes. Yes. You know and then and then I realized that I. Even though I think they're stupid I understand and the reason why understand is because I feel the same way. When so like in a bunch of Delhi's New York City Right. Like checks yet they're they're some of our own are owned by Asians right now. And now the people who are cooking the food are the Mexicans right. Now, when the Mexicans aren't there it is it is the Asian people who are who are make me my food. And I am completely against the at the owner Asian making my food is I want the Mexican to make my food? I am very used to yes. The Mexican being there and making me feel good. That he based foods so well. And? That's the that's the idea have to like. Kinda Kinda understand what what we're going to. I'm picturing the whole thing you're here and the Asian guys behind the care. Of course, he's GonNa Casual. You looking down the aisle you could see the kitchen the back, and you see those guys they're they're like yeah. So you ride on your bicycle that's the guy that's making you. Right right. It's it's happened happened more than once when when, when, when, when the owner of the places Asian I'm just like in an automatic food and then he comes out to back them just like yo where the focus is. Mexican. Dude and like I'm I'm I'm so close to leaving because. But within like he sees me and I see him fuck I'm here right now I can't move so so i. Still. Watching make my food, which is, which is something like it's not good like the making the food is just that there's no. There's no comfortability and. So so so I get your people are very comfortable in this in this old black lady. Yeah. No. Making it feel good about about about their fucking flap jacks. I understand it. You know and. That's my way of. Putting putting the nonsense into some type, of course. Right, see that's that's great. That's a that's virgin original. I would never think like that. But that's that's fantastic. You know by the way on a serious note, you know who's the most upset about the whole answer my label removal thing. Is. The answer my estate, the people that really against. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Like wait a minute. Yeah that was my. That was my aunt that was so that was our whoever she left the family hierarchy. She worked so hard for. At least a life? Yeah. I read I read the article how they were upset by it but like, but I don't understand why they're. I don't understand why they're upset by it because like one the I posted about this one there was there was no generation of wealth after after she died of there was there was no money passed on from a okay going on and to hooker and to the family try to try to suit get money and and then, and then that gas struck dead. So like so like there's All all the money that company is making over the last couple last couple of years out the last fifty some odd or whatever fucking years it hasn't that money still hasn't been in that family for that time. You know it's interesting. I didn't know that I know what version that kind of speaks to something very interesting. They're holding onto that. Yes. All right, and there's no money. Well these guys down south they're holding onto that confederate flag and they lost yes that's interesting. It's interesting. Why would you hold onto? So I didn't know that about her. So why would you hold on? You lost you lost it. And by the way, somebody wrote the confederacy only really lasted for a couple of years. So it's not like it's been a hundred years. It's like Oh you had a couple of years and you lost you still holding onto the holding onto the whole. Here she is. She got this thing. She I don't know the story but I guess it's kind of fascinating. Maybe you know maybe they'll make a movie out of it. I don't know but it sounds like it could be interesting to know how this all came down. Because why does anybody think that a black woman is out there in Vermont tapping, maple? Trees. Yeah. Does anybody really think that's happening here. No, I don't think it's having I. Don't know why she's on the label I think I'd associated more with the pancake. Yeah. Than I did with the Syrup Yeah. I says the suit she's making me back I. Think she's making me Sir but anyway but. But but I didn't. Listen. Do I really think is tiger make you my frosted flakes no. No care about stuff. I I made this I made this about it because like when I when I like red this is not the first time this has come up like like in thirty years I believe in this came up at least three times about about like the the mind missing and and before that my family you know expressed. Disinterest for that in First Place. So so so this is. Something ongoing in in the black community forever is so like story that the slowly behind it is that like the the these guys you know the guy went to like a minstrel show and and there was a racist term called a Aunt Jemima. He heard it and out. That would be awesome as as thing for this. So so so we had to find this black woman that that he can call aunt Jemima to be the the spokesperson. So like yet they paid her and they went around doing stuff whatever and she is a exclave so like they paid her money but the money. But. But my my thing was like well you people are mad about this but way to find out that that that that count Chocula is only thing because a man. Because Vampire did black face you know. You. You like. Everyone as about the things that they don't know about. So let me let me make fun of something that's completely fucking stupid and I mean. I get in. It makes sense you know everybody is upset about everything that they don't know about. That is prolific. That is the truth. Yes there is. If you don't have knowledge that you have fear the lack of knowledge breeds fear. Yes. Fear breeds anger resentment you know. Content and all of that I, mean, that's the beginning. So many beginnings of so many problems including racism is the lack of knowledge that this person is is whatever yeah where they come from who they are what they do you don't know this story here, and that's a great point is that there's a lot of a lot of wealth and all that there's a lot of lot of substance and all that. So the. PEOPLE UPSET MOST About it so it's You go you. Sounds like you're coming back to stand up I've been I've been thinking about some things I have. Allen Allen Prentice and like right. Come to come to Canada like I'm not sure about like as since Ryan things down that like kind of interesting I don't know like the the the idea is funny I? Don't really have joke for you have like set down like kind of flesh everything out. But like but the premise of it is is pretty solid is figuring out had how to really do this and but in but in in doing this. And I realized something something about myself and I think it might be the thing about you I went coming back to is like no matter how much you leave it It doesn't leave you. Know a here's like. Even. Even if we don't write it down the the the idea still six with you whether whether it be a week a month or a year from now whatever that is the idea though six with U. N. party you. Kinda Kinda wants to tell someone that way you can get it out and actually and absolutely, and I think and I think that's where I am right now was like you know. My my brain doesn't doesn't stop when it comes to thinking thinking about things are just kind of ridiculous and trying to put him in a way that makes sense to me and it can and can't make some other people. So. Like you know am I gonNA continue to stand up probably am I gonNa go far with I don't know I think I think like I love for just kind of coming up with some some random idea Always is going to stick with me and and me wanting to tell people is going to stick with me as well. For, an every great comedian. is every great comedian is not an overnight sensation yeah. There is. Does that one guy? I forget this white kid that was great at the age of fourteen or whatever, and he did it the TV show I hit forty hair I. think he was a Youtube Kid Who Still Young for me? Yes. WHO's doing music? You might know. But he got favors like real quick. Yeah. Slash then I think he really dropped off I don't know his name but everybody was into it for Short TV. That's looks whatever I mean you comedy. Central Movies. I. Think he's But I don't hear from them anymore, but you know. Speaking of black comics you know prior cosby Murphy. Bernie Mac. Yeah Flip. Wilson. Yeah. I mean. These, guys work work. They all have stories I mean drugs and mom and dad and poverty and Bernie Mac performing on trains and you know everybody's got story stories you're living your story. Yeah. I. Think it's great that you take a break. You very fortunate that you don't. You don't have to do it for a living. Yeah. I. Mean You had the job I know it wasn't great. Yeah and now we're GONNA get the whole covert thing screws up every the damn back. Yeah. Stupid back. Guy Dum dum dum dum but anyway but so angry facts sick but. You know. You're living your story and you take a break do storytime thing. That's great. You're comedian. It's what you are. You know you could be a podcast that you could be an actor. You know you. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA find you're going to a square somewhere. You'RE GONNA fit into a hall you're GonNa Find Your Niche and they're gonNA find you because you're going to talk about count. Count Chocula you're GONNA talk about you're. Talking about you can talk about the Chinese and the. Owner well, you got these perspectives that are so unique to you and you know. You'RE GONNA, do it and it's going to happen but you gotta just it's so hard I don't want to say the wrong thing to you because I know what you've been through authentic and it's it's it's real. It's real. It happened and it's horrible and I I wish I was your agent. I wish I could say Vernon Baby I got you buddy come on let's get in the car. I was like you're just Carlson. Two guys name whatever you know. So. Kirby enthusiasts. Come to your house you're ready. Yeah okay. Did the thing. All right. We get you back. On the plane. Negotiator get you the gigs and Keep. You Upright but. Somebody's gotTa be there you've earned if nobody's there. You I get it man I, get it. I don't want you to be broken comic I. Think Nobody wants that no no no, no is especially especially when you think gas something that is that is pretty good and I I was listening to like the the Rogan podcast and I think and and and another comic and I think that was great and I think that's where I'm going as well. Is that Is that you you have to find your own audience that kind of fits you so like so even though I may not be like the NBC or club comic I think if I can role in the space where I can get you know people like you know middle aged or like thirty. Thirty somethings something's Long Island or an a small venue that that curates around who I am. I think that's where I might find. Success is kind of cure rating my audience that specifically camera you. Okay. With with what I'm doing right now, which takes a lot of work you're you're fighting a huge battle a huge battle, right? Yeah. Mean you're GONNA you're GonNa have to somehow find a way to extend this podcast you're GonNa have to find a way to do storytime. You'RE GONNA find a way to do stand up. You're going to have to find a way to somehow work instead of New York I. Don't know how you doing now I'm just guessing you're on the streets but if I remember getting the incentive check. I'm like, what does that last you a? Hot You done. You know unless you're going to get a job at that Asian, you get a job at the. Learn how to learn how to make Maple Syrup but you know. It's a lot of work but. If you're GONNA find out. This is your battle. This is test and you love it. Do you love story time? Do you love Stab you love coming up with these You GotTa love the rejection of that. Love it but you got it's the words so brutal. Yeah. But you know when you get to that point where Bernie Mac guy all those guys yet even even white comics comics will have. I remember Colin Quinn you know at the seller. Nine, thousand nine, hundred whatever when I, went there with recruiter. I mean. Even now he's each struggles. Yeah. I mean yeah he does but he's not at the top. Now what I'm saying he's not signed and there's only by the way you know there's only like four five, whatever two or three. The, real comedy business is way down there. You know the Whitney Cummings and even lower. If I don't know the numbers exactly, but my guess is. There's two or three at the top Chapelle. And then. You start working your way down to the Mall Rooney's. Work your way down working out and then next you know you, you're doing fifteen minutes at the seller. Yeah. You know you just doing that all over the city and that's your life, and then you go on the road and maybe you get a TV show maybe you gotTA. A movie it's work it's working you got to commit to it. You know you gotta get yourself in a relationship. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. That's tough because you know you gotta be home, but you can't Bianca's guess what when you're supposed to be. That's when you're supposed to sign up. That's what he's supposed to be in your cab. That's when you're in the train. That's when you're walking down second avenue and you go. Networking your whole life is about. Traction. Traction always about traction. So that relationship is. I don't know I can't imagine how that's GonNa work, but you know this traction but. It's it's I. I don't know what to tell you about. I. You know it's tough and you gotTa love it and you gotta you gotTa WanNa do it and you gotta be committed and you gotta see ten years like you got the same five dollars in your pocket ten years from now that you have. Now maybe you'll find something more substantial than the appointment you had. You had. You had a decent situation there right that. Worked downstairs. Monday too often plenty of time to go where you know you. You lived in Brooklyn Santa Go back maybe you. Live in Manhattan, but you couldn't afford living at unless you unless you lived in a closet which by the way, there's nothing wrong with that. Live in a closet. To. But you know and I I've said this before and I'll say it again in front of your audience. I think of you I, think of why its neck. I'm so glad I remember I always have his name he so unique he's very so different. Yes. So intelligent you know I don't know did he go to college I don't really Thank. You. So. SMART. So unique forget as unique by the way this might not bode well for you but if you love it, then you don't care as brilliant as why it synapses. Where is wide? Sit Back. Or movie movie. Is He what? TV show is he I mean he did that he had a he had a TV show on HBO but but now like last year whatever. But now that canceled like you know he is With the aliens? No no the this on HBO is called. Them. A problem areas with Snack and. It was it was it was the great fucking TV show because like he like he highlighted the some of the problems inside America and so like he like talked to people in New York talk talk to people in different cities and towns whatever and got them the to say what things are in and and how they're fixing it. So like it. Okay. So it went from a school lunch programs to homelessness like it was it was fun fucking TV show but cancelled you know. So that's problem areas HBO. But that sounds like what Kamau bell was doing. Better. Hope better. Okay. Yeah. So by the way again, come out about I mean. We're all these. Eddie Murphy's Chapelle. It's Helps everybody forget about that forget about being at the top forget you forget about it. You could shoot for the stars and landed on the moon but says, are you gonNA shoot for the stars land on the moon and full off and land on a satellite that's out of control you're going to land on a comet like, wow I, wanted to land on the moon I shine for this. This is this forty thousand jobs down here that you can pay bills with those jobs up there. That's. Synapses, and by the way I, think I shared this with you. When I was growing up I was a big fan of Franklin Zhai. Energi. Yeah. Dude if you haven't seen his youtube, you know I mean he's not his youtube, but you've ever see his stand up very seinfeld asks very storytelling very, very unique, different his his style, his jazzy slow storytelling style not joke joke you know. Totally Franklin one of kind. And he did very well and he was in the movie car wash, which was a little bit not not at all Franklin secure whatever. But no TV show no Sitcom. Never started never. Never became Adam. Sandler. Never became Bernie Mac but frankly joy has career. Now he's a musician now he's big time and it's clarinet but I'm telling you back in the day I would watch Mike Douglas and go. Wow. Wow. He's so funny. He's so it's Admiral Joyner who still out there and he opens he opened up for Seinfeld Yeah. What an incredible struggle for full black comic- comics in general it's like you gotta stay yourself. If can you be happy achieving Mariel joyner success granted scranton okay. Well, there you go. Good. You you you definitely have to. See what part of success you want and be okay with that. Yeah. Because you know if if Mariel joyner was not friends with Seinfeld, that's a Lotta work you wanted to gotten done but he's also brilliant onto himself. I mean, it's been a long time since I've seen him. But when I was a kid, he was he was. He was on Douglas all the Mike Douglas like my thing 'cause there was in the afternoon I didn't always stay up for Carson Franklin. They also did that don? Kirchner's rock concert and special. But movies not really not really. TV shows no sitcoms no not really there was no comedy central back then right and so it's it's so damn heart. If I went back to doing standup, you know my sights will by the way I'm like I'm ancient but even if I wasn't h, it'll be like I just want to be respected and I just want to have some regularity of work and I just want to be part of a I want to be part of A. I WanNa have friends I just want to show up at a club. Hey, everybody knows me and likes me I, get along. We have conversations we have food I like everybody loves going to the diner. That's the best what. Did a diner after the show hanging out you and I we went down we. Live. So I love all that you know just hanging out and. To four in the morning and sharing ideas, and that's my those are my people. Those are your people. You know and You know apparently. It hasn't been a hundred percent few but I think the more you stay in the further you go people will go that I. Know that kid he's working hard and. Whatever man? Who is that? One kid he ended up on a donut show with her she's a stand up comic. He was in crashing I don't know his name and. Young Black. Kid Big head of hair for Afro. The crashing with Pete Holmes. He'd be there and then he was in that doughnut. Show with Judd Hirsch and the girl from. Brothers of anarchy. Now, she's on the Connors. Anyway Super donor whatever he was in a TV show it was like two years whatever CBS got. David. Peck Nick Whatever David could check neat whatever his name. Tall Bald headed funny guy. It's always in all these horrible movies. I'm bad with these with these guys, but anyway. He's a stand up and he worked and he got a TV show now he's off the TV show got cancelled. What is he doing I don't know probably out there working but off. Yeah. With no benefits probably does not work at traderjoes maybe I don't know it's so hard. Man Stand up comedy man you know it's not seeing other people's songs well, that'd be great. If you could sing asks Gordon Single and people. This is my rendition. This vernon vein, you can't do vernon paints rendition of Richard Pryor nobody's going to buy into that. I know what? Janine? jemaine Fowler blog yeah. Yeah Okay Yeah whereas I know he's stand up games and crashing I got. I got a I got confused. With him from from the owner of the comic strip, like like he brought me in his office talking to me and and and I'm thinking, oh he he's GonNa put me on. But like he a key thinks that. Remains our fuck where. To as an really. Yeah. Wow. It's fucking crazy. Wow, you liked what? He saw him for a long time in a pass me and. Then, they put me in office and I I thought he. He's about Heyman. We're I think you're cool. Let me see what you got whatever and all of a sudden like he thought I was the different fucking guy. Well, this thing is going to happen now. I can't pretend to be funny jemaine foul talking to so oh no. L.. Crazy? That's so great. You know. Well. That's an amazing story that's a pretty close brush to. Imagine if you pulled it off. Eight o'clock. Okay. All right. Thank. Wow. Wow. Jamaica would have never gotten the message. Call them eight man how can we didn't call me talk about which? I've been great. Oh, Dude. By the way I appreciate your integrity but man to there's I I wouldn't have had the balls to. I I wanted to be able to do that either. I would've felt terrible but somebody else would have done it. Might not do you it on yourself. So, when you told the guy, it wasn't you weren't him, he didn't say, Oh, I, appreciate the honesty give you spot anyway I didn't I didn't tell them because because he was so fucking old by the accused. So old that he wouldn't even register because like 'cause like a like a two days after eating fucking over the fuck I was like it was it was just crazy at the moment man I was like. You know seizures walked out of the. Office with his card but I was like he thinks I'm someone fucking. Great. Yes. So Great. Matter the Black Guy. Solicit, that's that's great. I can't win you know. That's great. That's great. That's a great story a little. Sad. So it was a great store. Called to try to be Jemaine hey man. Don't show. You got to go you know. By the way Judd Hirsch asshole. Anyway. So But All right. So yeah. All right. Verne listen man I didn't say any of that. Because I'm trying to be you know I'm trying to help you do a show but I love you buddy and I I feel for you. You know I got your back as but as I could have sorry I can't help you you know. You bring me to tears sometimes because I I hate what they do. I hate it I hate that they do it to women and I hate it. They do to you and I don't they do it to me so I'm still a little boy and In a man's body and I talked to my wife you all the time and I told a couple of weeks I don't know if he needs a place to stay. But I, you know I'm going to find out what's going on. Up. There but anyway, I don't WanNa, keep it from. But I'm telling you do I I love you I don't want you to stop but you got to do what's right for you. You know it's fight man can fight I want you to fight I don't want you to get hurt. Watch it a fight. Fuck them and. Yet assholes everyone. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'm GonNa keep doing me the best I can and and go there. So I I really appreciate your your support David I. Believe it. Because I. Believe it. I don't need to say I don't go. Blowing up anybody else's skirt. Unless you deserve it and I know I saw you I saw you that Chunky kid walking in with a guy named Switzer. Tough Gangsta whatever you would do. I said, I don't know from all the wall but man look how far you've come in look what you did and I know it doesn't feel like doing he did a lot and you write great stuff. Tell me something new with this Asian thing with the with the with the guy in the kitchen if you don't get your Mexican guy. It's great. Do It do it and sell it and Fuck Dab God? So angry. I guess because I don't have a club in Saugerties, I should have a club fogarty's. Put. You up in my condo and you're staying here for the weekend. Do It man? You GotTa host a feature we'll get somebody in here and we'll get you hooked up. But anyway anyway I love. You Buddy. Out thanks man. Hey. y'All. Yeah that's me talking to my Dave can hope you guys really enjoyed the podcast because I really talking to him. Dave is highly intelligent and funny. Do you know and I hope you can see that you know. Very, very insightful and very frightened, very honest about a lot of shit and I learned a lot dave you know. Dave is Dave is a high supportive guy and a highly honest guy, and he tells the he does like it is and I'm happy that I learned a Lotta Shit. Our Brooklyn that I had no idea about you know I didn't get the honey heard those things that were just in documentaries. Movies are thing or things that you read about heartbroken was, but it was awesome for need to. Hear about Brooklyn from the perspective of a guy because you normally hear that so much. You know Kinda pushed right why people are especially at men's like Nazi Shit and get their opinion and. You know I think some of that should probably. We should just. Learn how to listen to the more. To become better people, you know we should just. Stop attacking each other. You know. Realize that there's more things in common than ten things that we have separate, you know and All the things I learned from Dave and thing that they've has has learned for me. It helps you. You push that forward on the people. Learn Shit. So, again I want to say, thank you to to today for podcast, and if you guys like Dave, you can check the about on his podcast call dumbing it down with Dave It's a podcast, just artist thoughts and opinions of Dad. Father truck driver you know and he does it in his. In his Kia I believe. And it's just straight up. It's awesome. It's funny. You know and you'll get to. Listen and learn about Dave to all two hundred plus episodes and I think it's great. So you can check it out at On Talk WW DOT dumbing down with Dave Dot com or you can go on instagram. And facebook had done the Dow Day and check it out there. But I also. Like to say again, thank you guys so much for listening to the Brooklyn College podcast. Whoever did I appreciate especially, eighty-one she slept with the podcast and just kept listening for. Hours and hours. The podcast. WAS ON. I really. I really appreciate it. Hope guys. Have a awesome perspective about about how I felt about this first season of Albany all these people I really love appreciate it at think that they were amazing to their story. You know whether it be medical issues whether it be you comedy beaks whether it be just not anymore. You know whether it be drugs alcohol or whatever things that they get you down at think is a shared story whether you're comic and I think it's great that people get to tell these are these things spot themselves you know and I am really really really Freddie looking forward to season two of new. York City and I've met a lot of comics. Comics in New York City Sam I've seen TV some some have TV credits some been around whatever the fuck is Comics who have shit going on in our brains and some? Have, stopped doing comedy away. Some some people say Greg Somebody we're. Going on mentally that. NEEDS TO BE. figured. Out. And I wanNA talk to them. You know some people have start out doing comedy and when a different way with it you know maybe maybe they became an owner, a club owner maybe came a writer. You know I want to know about this you know this is very interesting. For people to to know. So. I'm looking for season two. So we're going to be off for about a month Can't tell you what day is going to be. It's going to be some timing because maybe maybe mid August. By. I think it's GonNa to be great and. Common. PODCAST is kind. Kind of GonNa, be going in a different direction you know. As as much as I love talking about being broken mentally and you're probably stay on that. I think I'm going to go into a row until a place where we're talking about people. who kind of veered off the first path that they're on onto a different one to to make their lives other people's lives better. You, know. I think that might be good way. Moving forward, we probably would do more things like that, but I will. Most aptly stick to ask. By Venturing out a little bit more. I think it'd be. It'd be great. For the. Here So yes. Again thank you for listening and. I always say. Tone you like coming away, you didn't like just tell me fuck in something see.

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