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"new york state rifle pistol association" Discussed on Gun Talk
"There's a lot going on right now in the world of guns, including a big Supreme Court case, new guns. And so we thought we'd go talk to the man. The myth the legend, Tom Gresham. Gun talk nation is brought to you by crimson trace, failure is not an option. Arms core, safari land, we save lives, Remington ammunition, and Springfield armory. All right, welcome in to gun talk nation. Today on gun talk nation, it's the man the myth the legend, the great and powerful Tom Gresham, welcome in. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, right? That's right. So you know, every once in a while, I mean, obviously, we're talking every few days or whatever. But every once in a while, we like to have yawn to kind of update everybody of what's going on. So there's a lot going on right now with gun rights and other stuff. So we'll probably meander a little bit, but I thought, at least we could start there with new stuff coming up and maybe give us a little background in case people are not familiar with how we got there. And another Supreme Court case coming up for guns. Yeah, we got a big Supreme Court case coming up being argued on November the third and actually our budget say right before that, then immediate action item, if you happen to be in Virginia, is they got election for the governor, Terry mcauliffe, the former governor, Democrat, running to come back in and push. He has anti gun stuff. What's interesting is that the gun band lobby is actually funding efforts to basically attack the Republican, but they do it in a way to make it look like it's gun owners attacking him. They're running the ads on Facebook and all types of social media saying that the Republican is not good on the Second Amendment. They're trying to get gun owners to say, oh, well, you know, he wasn't supported by the NRA, or he wasn't there. This is all enemy action. This is what they're doing to get people to not go to the polls and vote. And people are voting right now in Virginia. This is a big deal. If we could get the Republican elected there, a pro gun Republican, it would change things in. You remember Ryan that was Bloomberg came in a couple of years ago, dumped a bunch of money in there and slipped the legislature in Virginia. So and I think between that and what's going on loud and county, Virginia with the school boards and all that. People are fed up, but once again, you have to start sharing the message and tell people, look, if you're seeing this stuff on Facebook or other places, this is enemy action. This is not true. People are buying this stuff to try to convince you not to go. And Virginia gun owners need to contact their friends and neighbors and tell them about this. Well, Virginia, man, those folks in Virginia have been in this fight for several years now, and we had a couple of years back when they had the all of them show up for the lobby day. Really about a lot of it being motivated by Second Amendment supporters. And we kind of said then, it's like, all right, guys, that's great, but don't lose this fire when it comes election time. And it's a good point because we're coming up on elections around the country. And a lot of times we get focused on presidential elections or some of those big ones. But hey, whether it's your school board, your mayor, your state representatives, that all carries a huge weight. And a lot of times those people, when they get elected, you know how it is. It's hard to get them out. So they keep climbing the ranks of government ineptitude. Well, we've been saying for years on the radio, go to your local school orbit. Go to your local city council meetings. Just sit there in the back, even if you don't have anything to say, if nothing else, at least it makes them really nervous. They wonder who is that back there? Who are those folks sitting back there? And after a few weeks, they may start to ask you, why are you here? What are you doing? And you could make it a dinner date with your gun buddies and just go bug each week. That'd be cool. Why are you at our meeting? Well, it's the people meeting, but that's right. Don't you know we're here to tell you how to live your lives, be quiet. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I was actually thinking I'm going to be out of town traveling on that Tuesday election day first Tuesday in November, so I'm going to have to vote absentee probably it'll open up next week here in Louisiana, I think. Yeah. And a lot of states, of course, have early voting. And so that's taking place right now. People are voting right now. So it's not like we're waiting to the election. You need to be letting people know today tomorrow call everybody you know and tell them this is what's going on. Oh, also a weird Virginia be a part of the Virginia citizens defense league. BC DL is a really good group. Yeah, they're doing great stuff and really they're in it. I mean, you think about Terry mcauliffe, he's a he's a Clinton lackey, just horrible, horrible on a lot of things, but especially guns. No, exactly right. I love it when he and they've got the video of him saying, you know, basically, parents really don't have any role. And a choice of what we teach your children. I don't care. If guns is your issue or not, I think any parent is gonna get fired up to hear that. Exactly. But you won't pivot to the Supreme Court. What's going on there? Yeah, because we got a case coming up. We do. It's the New York State rifle pistol association case, and it has a potential for being as big as the Heller decision from 2008. The Heller decision in Washington D.C. said that we do have the right to own guns in our homes. It was a limited rule. And the Supreme Court tends to do that. Limited ruins. What this does is this challenge is New York's law that says if you want to carry a gun outside of your home, you have to apply for a permit. We're used to that. To get a carry program. But their deal is, but you also have to show proper cause that is their phrase. Proper cause. Turns out, surprisingly, or not, that no one actually has proper cause unless you give them a lot of money or you are celebrity or you are connected somehow. You are one of the elites. And now we have evidence of units of the licensing area of New York police department NYPD, where they were being paid off with money with rolexes and with other things. And that was the only way you were going to get your carry permits. So the question is, and this is the question really before the Supreme Court. The phrase keep and bear arms. You've said we can keep them, but now where you reaffirm that we could bear them, which means to carry them. There are 9 states I believe that are may issue where the issuing authority gets to decide if you are worthy. We may see. What are the reasons that I should get one? Well, we don't have a list, but we'll just know when we see it. Pretty much. And if it's weird because sometimes they'll say, do you carry a lot of cash? We're not carrying our children around the car with me. Not good enough. You can protect cash, but not your children. Right. That's not right. So man, but I think remember what happened. I mean, no matter how you feel about Donald Trump, he gave us three new supreme courts, justices. And Mitch McConnell, let me just tell you, when I say, you know, well, you can't possibly get a new Supreme Court Justice through in three weeks. He says, hold my beer. Yes. I mean, and this is going to be a long, long time because the folks that he put in are are youthful as far as Supreme Court goes. It's going to be a good thing for a long time. Now, we have had in thinking about the whole showing good cause. We've started to see a little bit of where it's basically a form, we're having some interesting bedfellows on this, right? It's kind of a form of how would you call that? It's elitism. It's discrimination. Discrimination. Remember, the whole idea of showing good cause, traditionally has been if you're black, you don't have good costs..
"new york state rifle pistol association" Discussed on Gun Talk
"Well, we're only a couple of weeks away before the spring board case. They go, no work the third they're going to argue the New York State rifle pistol association case for the Supreme Court. Basically deciding do you really have a right to keep him bare arms? Keep we got that locked down somewhat, with the Heller decision, but bear means can you carry it around? Well, keep embarrassed with the amendment says it's what the right says, the right of the people that you would me to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. So in New York, you have to show proper cause before you can get a carry permit. In your almost always denied, everybody denied there because you don't have proper cause according to the authorities. Well, that's infringement on your right. We think we'll see I think we're going to get a good decision out of this. I hope it's a great one. If clarence Thomas gets to write it, I think we'd get a great decision. We'll see what happens there. Interesting stuff. 8 6 6 talk gun if you want to be a part of the after show. Now it's time to call. Quickly, we're going to go to John on three out of Carrollton, Texas, John, trigger shoes haven't heard about those for a while. What are you thinking? I don't know, Tom, I just, I haven't used figures in years, but back in the 60s when I did using I always like to kind of gave you a little more control over you got more surface area for your trigger back into poem and you used to get them from flags and Melville Pennsylvania back in the 50s and 60s, but I haven't seen it. I haven't heard anybody talking about their shoes and 35 40 years. Sugar shoes are pretty much out of fashion now. It was a medal attack. I think of something that basically makes you trigger the blade on your trigger kind of fat or bigger, and you screw it on there. And you do that. And look, I appreciate the call sir. But yeah, nobody's using trigger issues that I know of, although those were used primarily in bullseye competition, but I certainly would not want one on a self defense gun. So there's that. Let's grab Steve on four out of four Collins Colorado Steve, 30 zero 6 amber. What are you looking at? Well, I buried my dad about 5 years ago. He's a World War II veteran and he I finally went through an animal box or a crate that he had and I found a bunch of clips of M two black tip 30 zero 6. That's an armor piercing, isn't it? I believe you are correct. You don't have to turn at the end. It's not good for much. I mean honestly, I don't think it's good for much. Unless you need to be shooting through armor, but no, it's not illegal to have so you're okay there. If you want to keep it as a collector item, fine. If you want to take it to a gun show, maybe sell it, hamil collectors because there are people who collect ammo. Fine, but look, if you want to go take it to the range and just shoot it, it'll punch holes in paper. That's fine. But I don't know that there's a practical use to it that I'm aware of. Is it illegal to use it on games? I.
"new york state rifle pistol association" Discussed on Gun Talk
"Mark smith the presence of smith wesson case. You miss that or you missed the news. The the big news of the week smith the western announced that it's moving headquarters out of springfield massachusetts. They've been there for one hundred seventy years. Why would they do that. Oh yeah they're moving to. I wanna say maryvale. But i was told no. That's not how it as it's bearable. Marital tennessee just outside knoxville. and it's really simple massachusetts. Sikorsky keeps passing more and more restrictive gun controls but the one that the legislature is working on now is actually specifically targeting smith and wesson. They want them to leave so what they've done is they said okay. You know those guys that we don't allow people in massachusetts to buy which means of course myth a western other manufacturers have to have guns with us not available to massachusetts can like our gt twenty five out of april in massachusetts. They have a roster. The way that california has an official list of these guns can be purchased no others skin and no semiautomatic rifles like teams qualify polymer pistols doodo. No no so the legislature said. Well we don't have to get rid of these guys. What does pass. A law says not only. Can you not sell them. You can't make them if you're in massachusetts it would be illegal for you to even make these guns even if they're only sold in states where they're legal. It hasn't passed yet but it probably will but what happened wasn't the legislature sent the message to smith it. You must leave if you don't we will do this thing. And that's according to mark at sixty percent of the revenue and they did a billion dollars in sales last year at that point. You okay rodrigues on the wall gotta go yes. It's going to cost one hundred twenty five million dollars to do this move. It's gonna take a year and a half for them to be in production. Maybe you know you know the drill if they say year and a half. It's going to be two years before they're making guns that we can have out of tennessee more of the same right just more of the same. Oh let's see november three so we A rather a month from today at least as october three The supreme court will hear the case in new york state rifle pistol association case. This is basically the follow on to heller and mcdonald cases in new york. For you to get a carry permit you have to show good cause no one ever has good 'cause unless you are a celebrity or you're paying serious bribe. We're talking thousands of dollars to get your your permit. They say no. That's not a good enough reason. But i want to protect my family. Not good enough but i carry lots of cash. Not good enough. So what. the supreme court's got. Here's is that okay under the second amendment. Can they restrict that right now. My money's on them saying yeah. No that.
"new york state rifle pistol association" Discussed on WTVN
"Bob appreciate people flashing signs in the studios here. We're having some fun, but it's wrong. They don't flash. Hey, Columbus, and I think your number might be wrong as what I heard on the radio today. But you've got 63 homicides in Columbus for the year from year to date so far, and I think it's actually up to 71. It's impractical, fused by black lives matter seems to only pertain to white shootings with blacks when you have or right, 95%. I mean, it's crazy, and you were gonna bring me some stats. I know we need to get that. Yeah, we need to get somebody else posted them on Facebook amount of blacks that have been shot. Killed versus white by police. Some weight. The number of whites is twice as many black right. So tell me how the BLM is saying that we're targeting blacks. It sounds good. Get white pizza. Everybody get out. You're trying to instill fax with the narrative, And that's just not what I was trying to instill A writer's now probably doing that too. Well. If you missed the show, you can always catch the podcast. I said 16 w T v and dot com It's on iTunes. Google Podcast I Heart Radio and Facebook great place to watch the show live. It talks to you during the show and on commercial breaks in the sit out there for weeks to come in case you miss it live, Jason. It's time for some news. And I know you have you have We have one. That's a huge roll of the dice. That kind of, you know, has me a little bit worried, But we have some good news. Bad news. So we got all that rolled in the roll of the dice. And this is this is huge. This is the elephant in the room. The Supreme Court announced Monday it would take its first Gun Kerry case in history. So this is the United States Supreme Court. They have never held this before The court agreed to hear a case This was the New York State Rifle Pistol Association and in the end array together. Um, have argued that New York's refusal they refused to grant carry permits. It's just On whoever they want to have it. There's just they make those decisions. It's a may issue state and they usually do not issue and they said Look. The case is the first one dealing with carry a gun outside the home. Now they won members of Heller case That was a big one. But that pertained to you being able to own firearms inside your home, but it didn't talk about carrying outside this, so it's a big roll of the dice. Now, you know, this outcome will have massive implications on gun laws across the country. And, um, your ability to carry, uh, firearms outside of your house. So Hey, John, you know how that affects us. Retired officers under house Bill 2 18, where You know, that's a federal law. We should be able to carry concealed there in New York, and that's probably not going to have that. The fact this was just the average citizen does. Hey, look, you know I'm carrying $20,000 after work to make a deposit. I want to carry the gun with me. I'm sorry. You know that's not not not good enough reason. So anyway, look but a massive implications as I mentioned, so if this would the court decides to strike down the restrictive law, they said, this could certainly affect not just New York but California, New Jersey Actually, besides New York, there, seven other states that have may issue may not sound like much, but that covers over 25% of the population of the United States of America are affected. By this s o more than a quarter of that, so this, but it's a roll of the dice. You don't know how it's going to come out. But right now, Currently, six justices of to the quarter have been appointed by Republicans, and they've issued opinions. In favor extending Second Amendment protections in their careers. But, you know, once you get in here and you know you're in for life, you could make your decisions for the justice of have publicly chastised the court for not taking more Second Amendment cases. And I like you know, Clarence Thomas just said. Hey, uh, you know, he wrote there saying this court is to simply ignoring this issue is quote was it almost certainly would renew Review the constitutionality of a law requiring citizens to have a justifiable need before exercising free speech, you know, or we're not. We're seeing that's fallen under the bus to, but, um uh or a woman has to justify why she would have an abortion on, you know, And so, he said, What's this is this'll is not a second class. Amendment to the Constitution. It is that so we will certainly keep you updated, but this this really could be one of the most important gun rights. It's your decision in a long time can we will see what happens. We're hoping that that's 11 years in the making, getting it up there, but It's a big deal so well, you see, we have a minute left before the break here. You had a couple other people, other good things. Okay, one of them real quickly, uh, in Illinois, are our neighbor to states to the West. They have to have a firearms owner's identification card to own any kind of a firearm. Get applied all this stuff. Well, um, in a case where police were called a woman's home during for a disturbance when they were there, they happen to see a rifle laying beside her bed, Um, was on fire, but you know, they saw it And they said, Oh, Where's your foid card? Your name Because I don't have one of these is right to protect myself. And they said, Well, you know that Z against the law here and so they made a notation of it. In a county prosecutor one ahead and charged her with a failure to have a firearms identification. Underscore chicken to qualify for it you didn't get because, Hey, I'm just lying here in my home Anyway, I took it to the Illinois Supreme Court. Um, the only Supreme court. They just refer to back down to the court that actually upheld the constitutionality. But what I like is when it came back down To the to the court. The courts just opinion was that the foid card at goes too far that makes criminals out of law abiding citizens were attempting to protect There lives within their homes and then the judge of that should certainly mention his name of, Webb said in the quote because it has a feat that you have to pay to get this car and he goes any fee associated with exercising the core, fundamental constitutional right. Armed self defense within the confines of one's home violates the second Amendment. So I mean, I went. Hey, hey, so that would do that. And this is big news. Okay, let's get back to you because we have to jump into this break. Here we come back from the break and we're gonna get to F O P lives. Number nine President Keith Farrell, who is on the line with us. We're on target broadcasting live from the students. LAPD Farms arrangement right back after the break. 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"new york state rifle pistol association" Discussed on KTOK
"We have a little bit earlier John from FRC range in baton Rouge talk about their summer program and I think rusty's out question about that line too Hey rusty how you doing man maybe rested there all right well you know what rusty kept all of it too long sorry about that here's the deal if if rusty's listening or if you want more information this is the actually what they're doing at the FRC ranger Matt rich it is a series of classes is not one class your day can you take it over a period of ninety days to six months as they offer him to get you scheduled in there it's basically what it is is an organized way for you just to become very competent and knowledgeable rather than Sammer go take a gun class say no I'm going to start my education well like that aspect of it if you want more information about what they're doing their website is F. R. C. B. R. it's so far see you in there to baton Rouge Louisiana for C. B. R. dot com and they have the information there and John hanshi he's the general manager and chief instructor FRC he said look if there's another rain somewhere they want to talk to me about what we do and find out yeah we can talk about it describing how it's put together everything by all means give me a call what would you do something like that why would you take sign up for a whole bunch of class as well let's see first of all it's a very interesting it is fun it's challenging you'll learn a lot you get to shoot a lot you will learn a lot about the law you learn about stopping the believe that medical trauma things and when you come out of it on the other side you will have the level of confidence that actually is matched by your level of competence or do we have a lot of people have a level of confidence it's based on nothing more than fooling themselves the dining Krueger affect is very much in play on some of the some people who don't have much confidence to very much overestimate how good they are and weirdly enough according to the dining Krueger fact we have a lot of coverage were very good often underestimate their ability but we don't see a lot of that we sure see a lot of people who took a concealed Kerry class ten years ago and they think that they are really super swift you're not we just say you're not if if you haven't if you are taking regular classes your skills are going down hill then yes you may be going out and shooting but are you really practicing repression of function drills repression drawing a moving our trucks and practicing drawing with your weak hand I dare say I bet most people have never practiced drawing with their weekend if you're right handed put your right hand on top of your head and draw your pistol out and shoot it's a mess and there are ways you can learn to do that you won't really want to get some training in that because if you try to do it on your own with a loaded gun there's a least some more of a chance you're going to put a hole in your cell somewhere that's kind of the antithesis of what we're trying to do here we're trying to avoid getting bored holes ourselves so pretty good man ourselves you know that's a bad idea there are ways to train for this there is your waist you can train to clear a malfunction a jammed a gun if you will one handed it's okay nobody likes training on that stuff but it's really important to get in the middle of a real bad situation the whole idea is yet to fight to the end to get to the other side and stay alive to keep your family life we when you really get down to it would you take a whole bunch of classes like this I did the best job for a probably should import what would it cost I don't know we'll go to gunsight thunder ranch and sing academy and I'll take a whole series of classes I mean I know a lot of people who Pentagon site taken the the two fifty class three fifty class all in all take a rifle plastic opposed to class speaking of that rifle classes you know I took a a combo class recently talked about it he was pistol and rifle rifles crispy Karbi air fifteen more more people I talk to these days are having a truck gun or cargo on a vehicle go is that something you do or have you considered it and if you do what do you carry in your vehicle carrying a are fifteen if you carry a long gun I got a buddy Texas of his style he cared forty five seventy lever action well that's actually not bad do you think about it if you had to try to solve the situation in a forty five seventy lever action maybe not a bad idea mayor fifteens also willow Howard variable scopes someone starts from one goes like one to four one to six leave it on one especially if it's eliminated is basically functions like a red dot but if you needed to have something was going on down the way it two hundred yards and you can crank up the four five six power you could take care of that problem I know very low percentage very low possibility you'd ever need that but boy if you need it you need more than anything I live for raise with us joining us out of stayed in New York talk about Chief Justice Roberts ray what's on your mind well I'm a little concerned you could if you if you talk back to about that because two thousand ten Chief Justice Roberts was it was the final vote that basically told us that the government to force us to buy insurance so and with and that was really a warped decision because they said we won't call the a fee will call in the taxes that's how we get around it well that I have two problems at one I don't know if if we can count on it I know we have a legal we have Thomas we have courses to weave Cavanaugh and they really want to take this case I'm sure right and they and they want to resolve it in our favor I think but Roberts is kind of a virtue signalling kinda guy and also he screwed us twice over because you know he did when he said when he did that decision lead that decision on the health care now if speeches we want you carry a thousand dollars a ten thousand dollars or twenty thousand dollars in liability insurance before you can own a gun well we gonna say you can't force is the branch of the court only said this could force you to buy insurance yeah it didn't look we understand that Roberts is the sweet vote he likes I think he likes playing that session so we have four conservatives as we have four liberal justices and Roberts some people say well he's conservative he's not and we know that and I in this particular case less hearken back to the case that was heard on Monday before the Supreme Court New York state rifle pistol association versus the city of New York I think Roberts wants to be one who says the cases moved a bit will not hear it I have a theory to throughout not ridge with me but I'm not gonna sure who share it with because he may not want me to but there's no idea out there that within the Supreme Court the justices they talk all the time they work together they do this well if you do this let's do that are all sports you're on this what if obviously Kurds Thomas and Samuel Alito would really like to take this case they like to support gun rights but if they're looking at it going okay justice Roberts Chief Justice Roberts's lane toward kicking it out to turn your mood maybe one of them goes to him says are here's the deal I'll actually but with you on this I'll join you with this but you gotta agree to take one of the second member cases it's coming our way because there are like two or three really good cases headed to the Supreme Court right now maybe even better cases honestly then this New York state rifle pistol cessation case and I have not we'll never know this kind of deal gets done but it's kind of fun to think about and it's very possible something like that could happen so I guess where I am is if this particular case that's for them right now if the Supreme Court turned chances okay because of the weirdness of this we're going to say that the case is moot different okay so we're not going to hear or read not going to go for we're not gonna decided on its merits we're gonna kick it back to the lower court it doesn't disturb me hugely I would love for him to take it but I am also encouraged because I think there will be more cases coming that they will actually take maybe better cases there's also an ominous or one circle back down and look right thanks for the call circle back where I always end up judges and justices nonprofits put a hundred sixty five federal judges on the bench is flipped three circuit courts to conservative he's put two justices on the Supreme Court if we get two more the second image.
"new york state rifle pistol association" Discussed on KTOK
"Guns and rifles and shotguns an animal and safe gun storage and obviously we will talk gun rights second amendment a lot of things going on right now with that and frankly I will discuss some have a talk with you much about here in the past but I think it's time to talk about it is how I think in some ways I I wanted him to to gild the lily and say we're not doing as well as we could that's not fair I think in many ways were actually losing and I'll tell you why I think that is and what we're doing and what we need to do about that as we go forward if you like to be a part of the madness here of course as always we're looking for your stories we're gonna range reports you've been out to the range been doing some shooting you bought a new gun tell us what you been up to eight six six talk gun will certainly get you in here all right I can't believe it's been only a week since I was in Washington DC I went to the United States Supreme Court last Monday I sat there and heard this case argued the New York state rifle pistol association versus the city of New York harbor messy cases will be hard to describe to explain to people but in essence the city of New York prohibits or did people from leaving the city with their legal guns fast forward it got a P. your personal challenge to get appeal appeal peel fana get appeal to the Supreme Court the Supreme Court said okay yeah we'll hear that at that point New York state does a Lucy with the football and says well we're gonna repeal the loss is nothing to see here never mind we don't want a negative decision we don't want a precedent set so the question is is the Supreme Court going to let New York play them that way and that was pretty much what the arguments were about more really I'm see more so than even the merits of the case we might know in a week or two whether they're going to take the case on the merits that is as it moved or not if they do take it could easily be June before we hear what the decision is it's been a decade since we had the Heller and McDonald decisions the Supreme Court has ducked and dodged but now that we have a new make up on the Supreme Court maybe we'll get some police were hopeful they were somebody who knows a lot about that has been following that and a whole lot of other things joins us right now our good friend cam Edwards how are you camp I have a great time are you I'm excellent course let people know you from your camera company Babak within or a news and such not doing or a news anymore but you are out there in front of people on a daily basis with gun rights information telling what you're up to her that's right so I'm now the editor of bearing arms dot com and we're also doing a daily very arms canon company can find it on YouTube if you are trying to count all media we're doing a Monday through Friday it and again you know trying to do exactly what you do each and every week you're just keep close and Ford about everything that's going on because it is a crazy busy time when it comes our right to keep their arms and then we have Mr moderate his announced his gun control scheme that would be named Mike formerly known as Michael but now right now he's just good old folks like us so he's Mike Bloomberg right yeah exactly and and you're right it you know he is played I guess happens for moderation because I did not outright call for the confiscation of firearms but with his licensing scheme and everything else you know is there there are tens of millions of legal gun owners who would I believe be stripped of their right to give our arms of liberty has way you can follow this for years would it be fair to say yes I believe that very large extent the passage of universal background check laws in red flag losses state after state after state are directly attributable to Michael Bloomberg but it is actually right it you know it is the the hunger for women was not well funded it was somewhat fractured and then bloomer came along and decided that he was going to a really build an organization that it is the government never really had before and you look what every town for gun safety and mob demand action is able to do where it used to be five years ago Tom when there was a a gun bill that was up in a legislative committee are you can expect a couple of dozen gun owners there and maybe one or two gun control activists now there's you know generally an equal number of gun owners and moms demand action volunteers were in the red shirt I think that Bloomberg has been a lot of time a lot of money and he's a smart guy and and yeah we are seeing the impact of his anti gun machinations right now on law books you know from coast to coast in your unity is a smart guy is poured money into it and a lot of what has happened and this is the part I think people haven't read quite understood on our side is that he has built a huge organization a national organization that he can mobilize or they can I mean don't think he's running this deal but he is hired very smart people because he got higher than way from literally anywhere he has that much money and they have this organization which yeah by the way now works effectively for somebody who's running for president the United States have a national organization ready to go exactly and I know that you know she had a lot of the moderate activos been very careful to say look you know we're we're not proxies for the Bloomberg campaign and and in some cases I think that's right you've actually seen some gun control advocates to you know not gotten on board the Bloomberg campaign but they do have that mailing list and their rented it from moms demand action they as you say you can hire staffers from virtually every campaign they've already had cherry picked all heiresses staffers now that her campaign is no more so you know gun owners cannot underestimate this guy he is polling right now you know five six percent which is not great but he's taking and actually if you look at the polls it looks like he's taken to court from people like Elizabeth Warren and you know with with with an unlimited amount of campaign funds I've been with Bloomberg it outlook you can be a really serious candidate I think he's going to be five or six six percent is not bad for guys only be in the race for three weeks it hasn't appeared on any of the debates exactly right and you know he is leading the airwaves is putting you know five thousand dollars in places like Oklahoma campaign message out there so he is you know he he said who are competing in the early primary states but he is running a presidential campaign a yeah we've got his plan in place and he believes that he can go to the convention absolutely Taylor and take a quick break because I want to have some time on the backside here or talk about this movement this taking place that some people are where.
"new york state rifle pistol association" Discussed on KTOK
"Orders taken a second member case first one and well ten years the case was originally came out of two thousand thirteen we're back up okay with cases I'm here in DC I'll be going to the court tomorrow I was greeted a day pass a press pass how would you apply for I'll be able city and take notes and report to you afterwards what I heard and then course later on they were later in the day they released a transcript and then later in the week the actual recording released the audio recording of the case this is the the case is the New York state rifle and pistol association versus the city of New York the crux of it is this in New York City up until just a couple months ago of the law was course you have it's very difficult to get a permit a pistol permit in New York City but if you have one hello this is you can't take yours your personal out of the city no really it has to be unloaded locked up but you still can't take it out of the city because their argument was well then that would make it more dangerous for people in the city because they would be I guess guns on the street the guns that were owned by people who have been vetted completely I'm not about psychiatric evaluations to get these permits in New York but somehow these would be guns on the street that would make it more dangerous she couldn't take your gun out of the city to your home with in New York you've got a second home somewhere you certainly could take it to go trainings somewhere so that was challenged and I went to the court what the court was appealing all finally was appealed to the United States Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says here will take the case the granted surgery at which point New York City this record can take the case we could lose this and it could be a huge press because we got caught restricting people's constitutional rights never mind a ride we're gonna repeal all if so the repeal of the Citrix nothing to see here target and then to double down on that New York state passed a law that says they can't New York can't or other cities there can pass a similar law does say to this report not only are we gonna repeal the law we're gonna say will never do it again hottest promise king of kings etchings crossed all the rest of tickets were the Supreme Court looked that went here we've seen this kind of thing before you can't restrict people's rights and then as we are about to look at it say okay well what we're not going to that anymore time out were out so there what what happens is then the argument from New York is when other cases moved the threat doesn't exist there the law doesn't exist anymore the course that has nothing to do to address the fact that when I was unconstitutional the first place the people's rights were restricted so that's what the New York state rifle pistol association is asking the Supreme Court to do is to address that as well as some other things in here I'm positive side the attorney who is arguing the case for the New York state rifle pistol association is Paul Clement former Solicitor General of the United States of America Paul comment was one of the attorneys argued Heller and McDonald case cases he also has argued ninety cases before the United States Supreme Court imagine that welcome it has argued ninety cases before the Supreme Court he knows his way around this is a very good thing what could happen well for one thing the court has asked the parties look we want you also continue the conversation about moodiness if it went terribly wrong for us the court could base we meet in the next week or so I would say okay the cases actually moved we're not even going to discuss it if it's gone and it just goes away the court could also say okay cases not moot it actually is right for us to take a look at it and then we will consider the arguments that were placed before us last Monday if that happens one of the things we're looking at is the possibility of the Supreme Court deciding the level of scrutiny which court should use when addressing the second member now we're getting down other weeds here but this why this is important there are three levels of scrutiny that is the hurdles that the government must get over in order to be able to restrict people so your strict scrutiny which is the toughest one and that's what we would hope for I don't know that we'll get that there's intermediate scrutiny which would be very good because it's still stronger than which call rational basis now we're getting really down in the weeds basically rational basis means of the government says we want to do this essentially it can't struck rights and that's what has been done to the second member to gun rights calm all is lower case they use rational basis which is Hey the government says we have a need to do it we want to do it we're going to do it cool good for work good with that if you get all the way up to strict scrutiny requirement is the government has to have a compelling interest a very strong at first and then the wall must be tailored to restrict rights the least amount possible to achieve the goal if that were to happen if we were to get strict scrutiny hello this is what yeah never been a lawyer I don't even play one on TV okay but I think that would give us the strong possibility of doing away with a lot of gun control laws in the US in the Heller decision justice Scalia basically spelled out that you cannot Benatar classes of guns you cannot ban guns that are in common use that would mean that states that ban what they called assault weapons semi automatic rifles I think those laws would be subject to a nother review possibly strike down those whether or not that applies to magazine capacity bands I don't know I've heard heard it argued both ways by various Turner's but this case the New York state rifle personal so she she case has the potential for being huge for us so here's the deal I'm gonna go there tomorrow when I get there in the morning there probably will be protest I know that the Giffords group the bay Brady groups the gun ban groups have no they're asking all the people come out if you're in the area come on down here talking morning get before the Supreme Court be there with everybody else I'm going to live stream go to the gun talk media Facebook page of a live stream from there kind of show you what's going on then after the whole thing is over time allowing I'm going to try to do a live stream on our Facebook page as well again gun talk media and I will give you my impressions of what.
"new york state rifle pistol association" Discussed on KTOK
"Is to host a radio show that will bring. to the discussion of firearms rights in this country. good luck to you and your questions until. what about the gun rights policy conference in tears on have a good time here at all tons of information if you're into this at all if you like the idea of working for gun rights getting involved in state group just becoming better informed I would encourage you to things once you go to the segment foundations Facebook page look at all the videos from all these panels that are going on here but this year and of course you can make plans to go to the G. R. P. C. next year in Orlando which we twenty twenty which would be an election year which is a huge big deal we're talking right now with Dave Coble from independence institute Davis course lawyer scholar you've been you know in this game if you will for an awful long time we have a case sitting at the Supreme Court what is that and and how important is this is the case in New York state rifle pistol association verses New York City and it is a challenge to a regulation the New York City had enacted saying if you were a licensed handgun owner in the living in the city you can never take your hand gun outside the city if they accept you could you could go hunting particularly on how to get in your screen order range outside of the city right this is weird and there's there's only seven public ranges in in any sense in in New York City with them the city of eight eight point one million people right and some of those are they're open to the public in the sense you can buy a membership and things but they're not someplace we can you just like go open if the daily fee and and shoot. war is of course and you know New York and Connecticut and upstate New York a lot of places to go back again get to live in Staten Island strive over the bridge and shoot at a bit of good quality range in New Jersey but that was all for bid okay to York city residents and likewise if you've had a second home and in Pennsylvania or upstate New York you couldn't take your hand get out of the city. there are so that the second circuit court of appeals which covers New York Connecticut and Vermont of hell that New York City band and said this probably isn't even a second amendment issue what does well said Justin just in case it is will review it under intermediate scrutiny they they called it but it was really a much lower standard the only evidence New York City put forward in favor this ban. was a affidavit from a former the police official who said it Bob you know people transporting their unloaded guns on we'll get a locked in the trunk our justice susceptible to road rage as anybody else and. kind of went on in that vein but they didn't supply a single instance ever of some of a licensed New York City handgun owner transporting is unloaded locked up gone. perpetrating road rage or or any other crime. in the part about this I like is that has this case move forward and look like the Supreme Court might actually there except the case in New York might actually lose it and then set a precedent New York just away time out we're going to actually change the law will get rid of the law so there will be a case right is that once the Supreme Court granted certiorari the the city came forward worked out a deal to extend the of the briefing schedule in the at the other side accepted that because that's parts were the normal courtesy of. law but in this case the courtesy was abused because New York City use that interim to to change the administrative regulation and even to get the state legislature to pass a law preempting in part the abuse of regulation the New York City. had enacted incident now York City says all this case is moot you know there's no longer a case or controversy the challenge the response to that is usually voluntary to systems doesn't move the case so if you're if you're someone me because I keep coming over to your your house to lighten your yard on fire every night and you know then you finally get a case in court were about to go to trial and I said I'll look I'll I'll stop right now. yeah I'm not gonna like Russians bush is on fire anymore so I voluntarily to system there's no there's no case in courts will will typically say no for your your voluntary to systems from your misconduct is obviously a strategic thing just to avoid a judicial rules of what the Supreme Court. the Supreme Court has not formally ruled on New York city's munis argument Greg but the fact that they've gone ahead of schedule the case for oral argument on the merits right on December second yeah I I think is it is an indication they don't think the move this argument is that strong right now I it shoots it. so they're gonna have oral arguments on the subject unless something happens between now and then right at that point I mean we're talking about the cases in front of the Supreme Court yet the will that gets the case is the case it's been fully briefed I I wrote an amicus brief for the independence institute and a bunch of law professors either with those file back in may it explaining some of it in in more detail some of the things we talked about in the last segment could we end up with a Supreme Court ruling that says this is the second amendment should be viewed with strict scrutiny. is that a possibility of coming out of this yes and then download the arm it's unlikely they would say everything about the second amendment has to be viewed with strict scrutiny of for the same reason that not everything in the first amendment rights made at Warner or or they could say what then judge cabin on when he was on the DC circuit court of appeals said which is you know really fury Heller it doesn't seem to be doing this tears of scrutiny approach that the does exists merit other areas of law it seems like the court is indicated we should judge. controversies off based on text history and tradition. so they it's possible that they could do that it's also possible they could do something fairly short like they did in the they could toddle case where they are without even needing oral argument they simply reversed a decision of the Massachusetts supreme judicial court which upheld a ban on stun guns and the the court the supreme the US Supreme Court did that unanimously it was called a per curiam opinion noted as a fairly short are you going to be there on the second. no I've got dialogue got other work to do and you know their Walt listening what traveling to watch other people talk is off it is just not officials from his about not your thing I tell people how they can find out more about what you're doing view it I'll go to my website it's Dave copal dot org it's K. O. P. E. L. S. and you can also follow me on Twitter active copal D. AV E. K. O. P. L. Fabris Dave thank you always make things understandable which is really great for me I appreciate thank.
"new york state rifle pistol association" Discussed on WTRH
"Than they designated shooting ranges in New York. You can't leave the state with it. You can't go to another range and shoot outside the state. The whole idea of keeping bear. I mean bear to me means you can have it with you. And so you're a rifle in New York state rifle pistol association suit on the basis of nauseous, the second hand would also commerce clause saying this violates the commerce clause. I was reading the filings and the of both parties, and I gotta tell you Paul comment is representing New York rifle pistol. And he's doing a great job on this just when you read the briefs you're going, of course, I'm biased, but you're going. Well, this seems like a slam duck. What's your take on this? I think with cavenaugh on unabashed. Maybe it is you never know what the supreme court, and it is funny to read the the anti gun side, which is basically the mainstream media side, and they were just going crazy over this thing and the using cavenaugh again, like it's an it's an expletive, according to them that tells you they're scared. They realize this could actually go forward. This could actually then give people there, right? It's back even inside place like New York City, which is unbelievable. I see this as a very positive thing that athlete could go forward. Now Justice Robert the Justice there likes to pass rulings. Prepare your strict if he doesn't like fraud rulings. So maybe he'll try to restrict it down. But even just restricting this down to the right to carry like a bear actually used that secondment right is transformational in a place, like New York City, the other thing that's really important here is that the supreme court in its former version before we got cavenaugh Gorsuch. Particularly cavenaugh because of course, courses just your replace Scalia. So the balanced didn't really change. But when the balance changed ever so slightly with Calvin on what people understand, it's not a huge change. Because you never what Roberts is gonna do. I think is going to become the swing vote on this. He likes that power. But this rain court for the last ten years has essentially signal all or courts. Yeah. We had Heller and we had McDonald..