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"The hotpoint community groups and and all of these different representatives from various departments domestic violence community. The Justice Department would get together in like case, manage what had happened in the week prior, but it'll would also be an opportunity. Domestic violence advocates at that table educate everybody united they would these constant education sessions. Sessions, to get to know each other to build trust to explain to one another, why certain approaches didn't work to work together so that it didn't feel like once one one pot of the response monitoring doing really well, and then it was falling over in the next pot. So this was like a closed system and the effect they had on victimize Asian was amazing. But on domestic homicide, it was really stock. So intimate partner violence arrests were. Down by twenty percent within a few years as was the percentage of victims injured. But they went from having about three homicides per year in the six years before the strategy began, and then in the decade since it began, they have been nine. So the yearly average went down to about one. So it reduced by two-thirds and I think what was really telling about that is that the homicides it did happen I think only one of them. Had, actually been in touch with police. So one of them I think was a couple passing through town. There are other people who just didn't come see attention to police. But what they figured out is that we can make contact with this perpetrator. We think we can prevent domestic homicide, we can prevent them from killing their partner. To be clear, there's very Goldstein talks about the quincy solution and the idea that domestic abuse is very common I. in Quincy Massachusetts The study they're in the majority of the inmates in that prison, and so the idea was that if you can prevent domestic violence, you can prevent future crimes so that this investment in the community to prevent domestic violence reoccurrence is actually away to invest in the safety and wellbeing of the community long-term. and Vice Versa as well, and that's what's amazing about justice reinvestment as you sort of describing like where I really profiled that in Burke in Outback New South Wales Australia. The whole point was you..
Why the worsening pandemic overseas is a risk to Australia
"Say Norman it's really heartening to see in Ustralia that at local outbreaks are really coming down to really really levels but the case numbers each day are still high and that's partly because of returned travelers. So people who've coming back to Australia from other countries, many of which have caught lodge outbreaks of coronavirus happening there. We know that last time the big outbreak in Victoria happened from an escape from hotel quarantaine and the New South Wales Health Minister. Bread has it has indicated that he's worried about the potential for something like that to happen again what? Is that scenario and Health New South Wales also worried about the resource implications. I mean, we said before that a few weeks ago I got information from the raw prince Alfred that. Nursing shifts a week were be used at that point for Hotel Corentin, and that's before we upped the ante trying to get thirty thousand streams back before Christmas and as you say, coming from high prevalence countries. So the risk has gone up as the second wave in Europe has gone up. So the risk to us of returning Australians has gone up as well in proportion, and so we're going to see more people coming back who are positive and we want expanded facility. So. It's fantastic that we've got this facility, the heartstrings facility in the Northern Territory which apparently can be expanded, but it can take about one thousand people a foreigner right now that's not going to get you there in terms of Christmas, and getting all these people back and it requires medical resources so that people who are arriving back who might be sick, and in fact, there are people arriving back through sickness. One reason why they WANNA come back to get medical care and distributor. And that was the other implication for all prince offered is that some people were coming out of hotel quarantine to come into hospital For Surgery and other things nothing to do with covid nineteen because they were just seek and they needed help and they're entitled to it. So the question is, how do you scale and what do you do in the government? A report has a report on this and you can take a risk approach, which is that you say, well, if you coming back from Britain or Italy or France, then that's high risk and go into high risk facilities, but if you coming from China. Or Singapore assuming you're not in transit in Singapore that you've been in Singapore for a while obviously New Zealand and other countries than we maybe have a light touch you can quarantine at home we can do ankle bracelets you allow the authorities to track go track you on your phone those sorts of things that we can do but they're all got risk attached to them and we just going have to be really careful because we're all rejoicing Victoria opening up and through the Fall of nobody just the pressure of positive cases coming back we could be at significant risk of some cluster outbreaks. So we got the Howard Springs facility in the Northern Territory, which is great and elsewhere in it's mostly been done in hotels which really useful for quarantine but not purpose built for it. Do we need to be thinking more about the along the lines of the quarantine stations that we used to have a century ago? Well, yes, not can't imagine that the. Government's not thinking about that. So we have these quarantine stations the to I know best of the ones one of the Mornington peninsula in Victoria and the one on south, head, New South Wales, and they were designed for exactly this purpose in the nineteenth century and early twentieth century ships coming back from overseas, which might have had smallpox on them or infections that they didn't fully understand people went to the quarantine station and stayed there for a while until it was sorted out. They could be re purposed. They're not very big really in terms of numbers of people that you could take them. There are army camps. There are other things that you could do, but it's where you might be geographically isolated. It's hard for people to get away from them, but you look after humanely in reasonable comfort while you're quarantining in addition to using home corentin when it's much safer to do. So I think that you can look on this as a national project we want Australians to come home and we're gonna find ways of doing it.
Victoria takes a deep breath and opens up!
"I'm health reported Teigen Tyler Physician and Journalists Dr Norman Swan on this really important for all pride. Victorians. Chief see the twenty seventh of October. Yes. Finally yesterday in Victoria. The Prima Donna Andrews announced the revised roadmap towards bacteria covid normal and it was a real relief for Victorians and the rest of the nation Norman what sort of the highlights of what Dan Andrews said yesterday because it's the comprehensiveness of the opening up, there is no daily dallying now retail hospitality getting back to work. Yes. There are restrictions on indoor numbers and outdoor numbers. But if you live in New South Wales, you're used to that and that will take a while to loosen up but everything just gets going and later on today the numbers in households will become clearer because that is a high risk environment. But if recycle is anything to go by, you won't really notice it too much and it will loosen up with time zones. There aren't any significant outbreaks. Milestone in starting. To have zero cases and the last time, the state had zero cases when on the ninth of June one hundred and forty days ago. So obviously, there's still probably GONNA be filtering through in the next few days but really, really hot. The. Really hot work that they've been doing paying off you know Sommese. Still be virus in Victoria and you will see the odd cluster popping up as indeed they do new South Wales, but eventually, it will get down to almost zero spread. So it's it's fantastic news. But the premiums, right it's constant vigilance is what's required covered normal does not be normal covered normal means social distancing means not getting together to large numbers too. Early it needs ring really careful at home in means continuing to wear masks outside so. Lucky. That they've got mandated masks. New South doesn't yet. You know hair salons can do services when the clients wearing face covering corona cast listeners will remember that we covered the story in a few weeks ago a few months ago I can't remember now but the flat tackle that's right. The in united. States swear to positive here salon workers did not pass the virus onto their clients by wearing masks insisting that their clients wear masks. So it's really important. So these things will protect US moving forward. One of the things that really stood out to me went any Landrus is talking about what the new normal looks like is how much the rest of the country can learn from this because in places that aren't. Victoria and you South Wales. It's been quite a long time since it's been a lot of virus circulating in the community that we know about at least and I know from my own experience living in Queensland that I think there's a lot of complacency that's crept in and it's probably a good time to just refocusing guy this isn't normal life. We still got a kate how God's up try and it could come in to come in on a ship from overseas. You've already seen problems in western. Australia nobody is particularly safe the risk of spread by open borders and I was extremely low, but it does mean we've all got to be careful moving forward. At some point, international borders are going to have to open up we're going to have to learn what covered normal actually means now new South Wales are ready to move in. You saw the football matches you. It doesn't feel to abnormals in in in in New South Wales, and that's the real feeling in Victoria but I think those two states are better prepared for this. Than the other states and we've got to open up the borders and people just will have to be more careful definitely in Australia where in a much better position than other parts of the world where covered normally is no in knee normal live, and in the states, this disease control have expanded their definition of what a close contact means in terms of someone's ability. To spread the virus if they had this definition by the way, these definitions are fairly arbitrary based on evidence. That's not necessarily very solid. So they had a similar a criterion to us which right at the beginning of the pandemic was sh- you might remember which is he going to be within a couple of meters of somebody for fifteen minutes to have a significant. Chance of passing this on and what we know now is the aerosol spread the lows that's be contravened indoor environments but no the redefined were close contact is if you just think about that as the means of spread and there's no question that a lot of spread is through contact and what they've found is that in fact, you can be in close contact with somebody. Over a twenty, four hour period repeatedly. So it's not just a fifteen minute window. It's actually multiple occasions and it comes from correctional facilities where they've shown that tired the infection was probably cumulative infection over a period of time. So it's no longer fifteen minutes. It's still two meters in the case of the United States, but it can be over twenty four hour period not just one fifteen minute window. So multiple short episodes of content
COVID-19 in Victoria, Australia
"Gratified Friday that's right. Twenty third of Tober pardon the PUN number really pushing towards the grand finale Victoria in terms of stamping out the lost. Stubborn pots of coronavirus is still spreading down there. Yes, and there's clearly still virus around in the northeast corridor. Expected of totally disappeared from there and the pop up clinic, and that's that's the way it's going to go forward US way it's going New South Wales in Swiss going to go forward in Victoria and it's a good thing that they're onto its and jumping onto things quickly. So what we're looking forward to on Sunday from Andrews hopefully is certainly moving forward the restriction relaxations he talked about November I this weekend, but I suspect you might see but more than that in terms of. Restaurants spars that sort of thing where you just might see a speeding up or much more much better defined pathway to those opening up in the near future because Victoria is in pretty good shape we did he gets day battle outbreak in a housing block area in Melbourne is this just like we don't need a look down to get on top of those riot if the public health machine is working better now than it was before the and also if you've got the community onside and they're willing to cooperate because the realized the implications of very much larger knock time. So it's the fuel for the fires. When people are living in densely populated circumstances so it could spread incredibly quickly. So going to get on top to get on top of it quickly, but the capacity to do so is much better and there's less distraction around in Victoria. There's a lot of distraction around when you those terrible outbreaks in addition to the other outbreaks in abattoirs and elsewhere in Victoria there's. A lot going on towards the last time there outbreaks in those densely populated towerblocks these days the capacity is there to focus more and have fewer distractions around because there's so much less virus circulating the virus is circulating you know where it's come from right and so I sort of moving towards our kind of steady state of figuring out our relationship with this virus here. And hopefully, looking at opening up our internal borders at some stage in the near future. WHAT ABOUT INTERNATIONAL BORDERS? There's still lots of Australians overseas. There's. All. Students. WanNa come here. Tourism operators here are really struggling and I'm sure there's some. Really want to go overseas as well. WH- should've reopening paddle clack for Ustralia more broadly. Well, it's a very complicated landscape. You Go to feel for these thirty odd thousand students who went back many of them are quite unwell. Don't be exposed to covid nineteen in the places where they're at and they desperately want to get home to their families and they feel cut off. The problem is that we tend to have a one-size-fits-all to our overseas entries and it should be possible to open up a more strategic way if the politics would allow it and I'm not blaming the politicians here is a difficult situation and you've got to do something about stranded. Australians. Overseas. But a lot of them are in countries which have a high prevalence of SARS covy to like the UK European, the US and places like that. Tends to be where strain school some of them are in Asia and lower prevalence countries. So when you're sending a Qantas plane over to London to pick up people, you're bringing back in the plane presumably, they could take three or four hundred people bringing back hundred and seventy five because the crews got to be protected and the people on board to be protected bear in mind that all of the tens of thousands of who've already. Return the only been three or four hundred infections in. Australia. Yes. We hear about the movie dates true but it's low numbers trouble with that is as we've seen Victoria, you only need one episode of escape from Whole Hotel, it's not the family escaped by the virus did circumstances and you've got a real problem on your hands. So the risk is high, but the risk is particularly high when you're bringing back people from high prevalence countries. You've got a lot of international students in China. You'd have to exclude those in India because that's a high prevalence country but China is a low prevalence country. The should be a way of bringing back international students quite soon from China with judicious testing intensive testing, maybe limited quarantine with intensive testing, and there are ways of doing that but perhaps turning over halls of residence colleges to their limited quarantine that you might. Introduce Singapore certainly New Zealand. Pacific. Islands that you could open up these places quite quickly, and of course, if a stranger stranded there, those would be your first priority. You could probably stand up on this plane over and fill it up particularly wear masks and bring it back with a far more than one hundred, seventy, five on board, and almost a full complement of passengers. Because the risk is so low, so should be possible to a risk adjusted system where for safe areas, you have one way of managing it and from high-risk is another and this probably no alternative if you're living in the UK or Europe and want to get back to coming back on a on a very low load plane. So this is different to travel bubble. Is that it's a bit more like you still have to quarantine, but it's just not does we don't have to have as high stringency because the risk is lower it needs a lot of thought it's not straightforward and the highest priority has to be stranded strings overseas. It's just intolerable that we don't solve that problem and it's a bipartisan shoes not party political but equally. Doing. This, which minimizes the risk from already low-risk countries. The should be a way to manage risk more carefully an a nuanced way depending on where people are coming from. So it's not an open bubble, but it is a lower intensity of corn team. So let's take some questions from audience and what better way to rip through a few to do him as a quickfire Friday round you ready ready to go now. Jeffries asking you mentioned the other day that masks need to be washed at sixty degrees Celsius to make sure the virus free but domestic hot water services limited to fifty degrees. So I wanted to be hand washing his cloth masks in water hated in the kettle or what I think that random mackel worked find that sixty degrees was what did the work but you'll find that detergent in warm water should do it the same way it's just that extended washing cycle I think. So fifty degrees, sixty degrees who knows whether it makes any difference the. Point that Ryan McIntosh was making here is a quick rinse in the hand basin. There's not enough specimens a farmer and wants to know why if humans contracted card from animals? Why are the mammals supposedly don't get the virus and has anyone bothered to test shaped cattle pigs and so on record low testing of animals corona there's a lot of coronavirus infection in animals. Pigs get a similar co diseased covid nineteen, and in fact, there is a pig vaccine as far as I'm aware to a respiratory syndrome similar to covid nineteen, but it's not SARS coffee to. are lower than will species have been tested and not find to carry this dogs can be infected but don't seem to retain the virus very well whereas cat. stew. Agricultural, animals don't seem to be a big problem to corona virus is prevalent in lots of different species. This person's flying to dial in from CD next week's visit family added about it. What precautions should they take for the flight? Well, I think for any flight my view is that you should wear a mask threat flight and just be careful about hygiene and Qatar saves on Colonel Cast a few days ago when you flush the toilet. Religious so you don't have an erase allies. And I think this question is asking about sewage testing how can test for the virus with all those millions of latest of water and other chemicals and just take a small test tube and still be able to identify the virus Yup it's mind boggling but they're able to genetically to actually look for the fragments of the virus I think that this is done with antibodies that pickup the virus, and then lie top when they've picked up the. Joys a big fan of Corona cast and her son is a paramedic in London and has had a very mild case of covid nineteen. But she's heard recently that everyone who gets five nineteen has long lasting effects in the front of their brain. Is this true please cleared up her because she's worried you can stop worrying Joe it's far from through a percentage of people do get long-term. Effects. And it's really not known yet what the percentage is, but it's not the of people and one more question Norman Magin one infectious person walks into a room with ten others spends a considerable amount of time seven, get the virus and three. Why don't those three becoming victim? Is it because I got better immune systems probably just the play of chance, but it could be that you've got some genetic. To the virus always somebody in society with a new virus, who's got genetic resistance to that virus by the play of chance, these are mysteries to which we don't know could be that they just didn't inhale quite as many viral particles as others who knows it is a difficult question hasn't indeed uses it. Just another one of the many mysteries that still surround covid nineteen
Is Europe copying Victoria's lockdown strategy?
"Say Norman. Let's talk about a place, which is now imposing a five Columba travel limit You can't go to the body shop anymore he conquered the beauty salons jeans I'm not talking about Victoria I'm talking about I land and it looks like pices in Europe adopting some USTRALIAN stall approaches to curbing coronavirus. Yes. Because despite all the complaints about lockdown in Victorian has unnecessary M- should. Just. Let it go climbing from some sources and how in complaining not letting up quickly enough lockdown is actually all you can do when it's getting out of control I mean as a Stralia being used as an example to the world or is this just best practice? No matter where you are let's talk about Ireland for a moment, which is a country that's got a smaller population than Victoria bending how you define. It is right about five million people in the past month if at seventeen thousand cases past week seven, thousand by yesterday twelve, hundred cases in a single day. So. That's getting pretty worrying from them and they they're locked on looks remarkably similar to victorious yet they're going into heights lockdown of his six weeks well, in Victoria. That wasn't long enough. Do you think they might extend it? Well, it's hard to say and it goes on modelling the Senate got more cases and more virus circulating and as we've said. Before on Corona, Cast University of Sydney modeling showed that for every day you delay lock tone when you're out of control, it's a week at the other end, which is one reason why Victoria has gone on a bit longer they try to ring-fence thirty six suburbs. It didn't work and that delayed things by a couple of weeks and we've probably shortened it by lot. At, the end effect on that but that's engine. Now the sorted out and the hopefully, we'll get done very levels, but it depends on how much virus there is around week or so ago a senior person at the W. H. O., the World Health Organization was saying lockdowns shouldn't be the primary way that countries control Khurana, virus, and that sort of headline went out. And I think a of the new Scott got in it because we are seeing countries using lockdown and it can be effective. So where's the? Where's the nuance here? So that's certainly not what was being said last week courting the World Health, organization and we for Monday's synthetically report I interviewed Dr Dave Navarro. Who's in fact, the same health official he's professor of public. Health. Imperial College London and his Special Envoy to World Health Organization on Covid Nineteen, and he feels that he's been misrepresented his view is that sure down is not the first thing that you do. It's not your primary means of control. Your primary means of control has to be testing and contact tracing and quarantine in isolation of the people you find in that process. However he does say that you can get to a point where locked is the only thing that you can do and you should use that lockdown to improve your contact and testing regime. And in fact, if you look at Victoria, that's really although in the first wave, that's what we did as a nation back in March we got our act together in terms of contact tracing. There are still deficiencies in Victoria and they have used the last few weeks to get much better and so the contact tracing regime now in Victoria is fantastic there. quickly, the locking off mystery cases in super-quick time, and that's what you've gotta get. So then fighting the of used that time well. It's not that they're against lockdown. It's just that it has its place. and. When you when it's out of control, the way it is in Europe you've actually got to be able to do that another problem. And, I don't know what they've done in Ireland here. But the problem is the borders and it was a really interesting study the other day looking counties in the United. States and showing that cross-border flow was a very important factor in both the sustenance and the growth of SARS COV to infections. and. If you don't control your borders and you still got people coming in from outside, it's very hard to get this done and on control it. So so really European. Countries are trying to do this with one hand tied behind their bank. Britain and Ireland could control their borders because they're islands but it's harder for other nations exactly and can we just come back to smoking before about Australia and we are doing the numbers that are coming out now looking really really promising do how close are we to having zero spread here in Australia, we're almost there new south. Wales still has cases popping up Victoria might get there before New South Wales because they're still in lockdown and those extra few days of Lockton make make all the difference I think New South Wales it's going to be really hard but they're. You know they're getting on top of it too. I think we're going to be very, very tiny sprayed, and maybe in Victoria, they'll get done to zero spread. And that will make it much easier to open things
Interview With Hayden James
"Wary are you in? Sydney. in Sydney. Yes. So I live in Sidney Australia is camera everything's Okay you look great. Ula Great. Yeah. Yeah. Sweet Yeah in Sydney in my studio. I, live in the northern beaches, which is basically like I'm right next to manly beach and so I the Hassi with my wife and baby boy and I built a studio in one of the kids rooms and it's like a room within a room. So we kinda built it up over a COUPLA months? And when I close it all you can't hear anything. So at some I, get to let him using whatever. That's really nice man and yeah. especially with a kid to it's it's nice to be close to home but still have your own space I can come in here and cry can unknown me. It's great. Right, you can go be the baby. That's so funny man how's your quarantine? How are you guys doing out there? Honestly like okay it's it depending where you live in Australia I think the answer will be very different Yep in Sydney. It's been. Orion. It's we haven't had a huge amount of cases. I think yesterday we had like one case in New South Wales in. Sydney and You know Melbourne's a different story in complete lockdown I was speaking to a friend that lost not. So it's very different via bit Personally it's been it's been quite nice being off the road and hanging out with family being in the studio and making music of made more music than I ever have in my whole Korea basically because I'm just sat in this room, you know so. I'm just I guess making the best of a bad situation and just in doing everything I can. So when we get back out there one day we can keep going yeah. One hundred percent men I mean, are you do you enjoy long studio periods like this not necessarily because of these circumstances but like are you a studio guy? I am but actually never had this amount of time in his life in one studio. It's always been a laptop on the road. So it's it's a new focus that I have It feels really good and I'd like board new cables and stuff and new since and and kind of noting out of it more I'm loving people doing their live streams like especially like the. Disclosure, ones and those are crazy. It's just so amazing I. so even people like coming up and and and learning how to produce. It's so valuable by so that give back mentality I think is is Sonia. That's that's been really cool. Yeah. Disclosure one is crazy and I also like a lot of people are doing you know sort of demos submission listening feedback kinda streams. Where's Oh? Yeah. Yeah. Where people just send in things that working on our songs and they listen to it, you know live and give feedback and So the people. So it's like upset one in I'm not sure if they're gonNA listen to mind and go from there. I mean I think everyone has a different submission process, but I know like Actually, the way I found out about the disclosure stream was I was watching I don't know if you know Kenny beats he does like rap production stuff yet. Yeah. He does like a beat battle kind of thing where he'll put he'll give everyone a sample and then you have a few hours to make a beat and then he kinda ranks those and he'll have guest judges. So disclosure came on to judge that and that's yeah, people do. Stuff there's so many different things happening that. Never would have stayed out. So you look at it that way just like you gotTa, you gotTa make lemonade you know A friend of mine Lyndon J whose in a band called Faw I'm FA double I. Came, out with a song colds hush. Forget the song name but the point is He gave the instrumental out to everyone and everyone kind of had their own vibe on and like they were the singers instrumentalists and you got like two hundred submissions of people doing their own thing on this one bait Moore is really cool. I found. So it's yeah, it's a nice. It's it's a really crazy time and really sad because obviously it's tragic and people. In their lives and their jobs and all that kind of stuff. But I feel very fortunate to be in a position where it's like I can take this time to you know figure out what my next step is.
What happens if we don't get a vaccine? This is what 'COVID normal' looks like
"Now no minute pretty much every press conference and in lots of news coverage, keep hearing this term covert normal as if as if we all know what that even means, but it's not normal right? It's not abnormal that we used to know how meant to understand what's meant by the term covid normal covered normal at the moment depends on where you live in Australia. So covered normal in Victoria as we speak is really quite a severe lockdown even with restrictions lifted covered normal in New South Wales is You know it's not quite normal life but the you know indoor activities restricted there's no compulsory mask-wearing, but there are outbreaks. State is on a bit of age. Covered normal everywhere else in Australia is getting back to almost normal life which actually puts them at risk of covid nineteen should be. Deposited into their state for some reason. Well, that's not really normal. Though is it because normal life included overseas travel and that's something that seems to be off the table indefinitely and we've had a question for one about audience members about this. What is the endgame? For Ustralia not just the states? What does the next year look like if we don't get vaccine or the vaccine that does come isn't isn't effective enough at first well, in states like new. South. Wales and Victoria covered normal if you like the end game. Assuming that the virus continues to circulate is that we don't circuit quite as much. So it's not locked on. It's just that we don't get into circumstances where a lot of people are mixing indoors, consp-, read the virus. So we're GONNA fewer contacts on a daily basis to reduce the chances of picking up the virus or spreading the virus. Covered normal, but it's not a lockdown. It's just that you to be careful. Now the question you raise a good one, but let's talk about internal borders. So what happens if you lift the border restrictions across? Australia, when the still virus in New South Wales Victoria, well, there's not much virus. So the risk of spread to those states is low but shoot actually it sprayed. Does that mean that automatically West trillions and south Australians queenslanders means etc.. Territories that they have to change their behavior and they've got to restrict how they do things by going indoors and live in a different way. and Professor James McCall, University of Melbourne argues that they don't that in fact, they're covered normal in states with Novartis circulating with Borders Darn is actually the way people are living at the moment, but there's gotta be a heightened alert to the possibility that the virus could come in. So people have got to be aware of symptoms get tested and that the public health systems go onto it in terms of getting on top of testing and contact tracing and that the if you like the protection so that you can reach retain the behavior in those states that you've got at the moment. So news wasn't Toria a degree of social distancing but not. Too drastic but in other states, you can continue the way you're going as long as you're prepared to come forward for testing in large numbers and the systems prepared to pick that up and the an example James quoted was the spread from Melbourne to kill more. So Regional Victoria said, very little corona virus people are getting back to normal much faster. But in fact, the State got on top of the coolmore outbreak and indeed the shepherd and outbreak very very quickly and go to under control without rural and regional victorians having to change their behavior they are covered normal if you like. So this is good news moving forward is that you could. Lower the borders have much freer flow of people and that the compromise for people in the states with Navarro spread at the moment is just ready to come forward for tasting and the systems got ready to respond, which is a small price to pay for tourism and families getting back together again,
How Victoria's coronavirus response became a public health success
"Tastier. Victorian and a great for the rest of the country because of what Victorians have been doing for the last weeks on end it's been an extraordinary lockdown and people making sacrifices for themselves for each other for their families for Victoria and for all those people who are not in Victoria, they'd be making sacrifices for the rest of the country to get this under control because it's an important thing to do for. The whole nation not just for. Victoria absolutely. So I mean we've been for cost about the coronavirus for the past few months if you haven't been paying attention and doing that, you can get a bit stuck in the weeds and we've been focusing a lot on Victoria and the spread there and the restrictions there, and the tired of that sort of taking it as a whole could be seen as quite negative but. Really it's such a success story when you think about the fact that are at hundreds and hundreds of cases just a few months ago and over the weekend, they only had one or two cases a day and it's it's due to individuals hard work. Yes. The said many many times over the months on corona cast. There's really only when you're when it's out of control, there's only one thing that you can do. That social distancing in the extreme, and that becomes a lockdown and that's what they've done. Victoria and it has brought under control as broader under control as well. If not better than any other country in the world, just looking at some of the statistics before we started this, and if you look at Singapore, which is what accorded the other day with really quite a bad outbreak in their dormitory areas for the migrant workers. That average several hundred a day. But as far as I could see. Whilst, they got two but nine, hundred a day in the first wave of the pandemic. The never got that high in the second wave. So it was steadily three, four, five, hundred a day but never seven hundred day we're got to in Victoria. They too are down at a single digits, but only Justin single digits some they've been in double digits in Singapore prior to the last few days. So Melbourne at least equal Singapore in fact, exceeds it. South. Korea's done pretty well with some significant outbreaks but again, that got up to like three, four, hundred a day, not seven, hundred a day, and that's in a country of fifty one million on their trucking along about seventy seventy today not single digits admittedly in country. That's. Eight or nine times the population of Victoria. So incredibly well by any standards and something that. Should be proud of any grateful to torrens for absolutely and of course, we're not at the finish line yet Victoria's well the whole country's and out of the woods yet in terms of the virus, and also there's still their way to go in terms of lockdown restrictions in Victoria. But it's a huge relief short for the people who live there and I'm for all of us to sort of see that Nagel really shifting down now. Yes. Some people will be saying, well, why couldn't we have gone further? Since we're a handful of cases we are recording this corona cast before we know what today's numbers are from Victoria but. Know they will be low unless there's a small outbreak somewhere and why couldn't we have gone to the same level as New South? Wales which is actually got on average more cases than. Victoria. And I think that the reason is that Victoria is still in mop-up phase and the number of mystery cases in other words cases where they don't know where you'll have caught the virus I think yesterday where the premier said, it was random about fifteen cases are still unknown that means they're still a fair bit of virus around you could possibly double that for the real number of mystery cases.
Are we just going to have to get used to dealing with outbreaks?
"So one of the things that Australia has really relied on throughout the hall coronavirus pandemic sci-fi is lockdown as a way of getting a handle on what's happening and keeping cases to a minimum. We've seen that really happening in Victoria and a few days ago a special envoy from the World Health Organization was talking about how lockdowns shouldn't be the only sort of tool. That countries used to Cape a handle on the coronavirus and I think that some people in Victoria have sort of used those comments from the WHO as a reason to sort of say, we should be lifting Victoria's lockdown now but it's a bit more nuanced than that. Isn't it? This nuanced? We went into lockdown in March largely to stop the growing pandemic but also to allow the infrastructure for contracting testing to get into place, which is what the WHO, who say. There was an outbreak in Victoria now that I break in Victoria would have killed many many more people had they not to lockdown but in part the outbreak was due to a failure in contracting and testing at that time. So in many ways, they fulfilled whol criteria for lockdown, which is time to get your contact tracing and testing into shape, and in fact, through the second wave in. Victoria that's indeed what they've done some situation where Victoria New South. Wales are pretty XY Pixie in terms of unknown cases number of cases a day. Sorry Pixie. What the hell does that mean some kind of Scottish thing I grew up with meeting. You know roughly equal fair fair enough trying to get a new phrase into the Australian dictionary from Scotland. Anyway. Back to the point the point being. That, you said whereas in Victoria roughly equal and the argument is probably quite well made that there's not a lot of reason why you shouldn't have the restrictions roughly the same in both states the problem of Victoria is you don't WanNa let the break off suddenly because people will just start turning up on masters include a beach which means crowding into trams, etc, etc. so you've got up. Do fairly slowly and carefully, but the endpoint quite soon could be a similar situation to New South. Wales. But we've got to get used to and it's not a trivial phrase a new covid normal. We promised a few days ago that we were going to stop comparing new, south Wales and Victoria, but let's just do it one more time new south. Wales does seem to have like you say. Exceed Pixie level of similar levels virus to what we're seeing in Victoria or at least the confirmed cases that are coming through, and they don't have as many restrictions on them, and we do know as well that it's probably at least a year before we're going to have any kind of vaccine available to that sort of like what we're thinking of as being a trigger for going back to what we used to have as a normal life is what's happening in New South. Wales. Perhaps, a model for what Ustralia could look like over the next year. Well, I think West Australians queenslanders south. Australians would bridal a that because they've got almost nothing happening and they're saying, well, why should we have? Wills has belichick focused on new, south Wales and Victoria for the moment. But I think it is something that queenslanders and others need to be cognizant off is this something we should get used to what we're talking about here for people who don't live in New South Wales is an outbreak from GP clinic now, getting used to is different from getting complacent. So yes I think you gotta get used to the fact that there will be small outbreaks but what we should not do tolerate them and so they're. They're not to be tolerated and our behavior needs to change in the short to medium term which is. Continuing careful social distancing. I believe in new. South. Wales. It should be mandatory mask in public transport just as an extra layer of security. You don't seem to be going that way and really getting on top of outbreaks and people being prepared to get tested if symptoms are in areas where there are outbreaks and if we can do that, then we can cope with these outbreaks but we can't just say. Another outbreak. Let's move on. It's another outbreak. Oh, this could be the moment where this could be the hotel quarantine equivalent moment that we hadn't. In Victoria, whereas if we ignore it is going to get out of control. So get used to not really be able to deal with yes. But just quickly on that, we're talking about being able to be responsive to outbreaks but we see in Shepperton in regional Victoria, they had a the little outbreak happening there people have told to go on to get tested they've gone to go and get tested. They've done what's been asked but they haven't been. Able to access testing this huge queues, how are we going to be out of style up to these? Well, that's for health departments to sort out, but they've got to be ready for particularly in rural and regional areas because this is something that you just need one truck driver to have arrived in a place in spread it and we've already seen somebody hiding away in trying to get into Queensland you just need one person and to move into our networks and off. So everywhere it's got to be ready and you to be ready for scale up and a plan for scale up so. Somebody throws a switch and people start with doing and they set up to prop up clinics, and within a few hours you've got it all going and that's what people have got to plan for and the best thing that can happen is you never have to institute your emergency response, but your emergency response has got to be really Schmidt and if he wants to know. More about how we've tooled up for contact tracing, how good it is, they listen to yesterday's Khurana cast with Ryan McIntyre where we covered a lot of these issues and that chat with Rhino was so interesting and there was stuff in there that we couldn't fit into yesterday's show. So we thought we'd bring it back again in prerecorded form to answer a question from Ingrid. Where Ingrid's ask if a person who has the virus uses a toilet does the next person inhale the virus spray in the toilet is flushed with the lead up and is the virus in urine faeces? Yum. This is just the sort of question that croquettes listeners love energy with toilets. Let's have a listen to yesterday's comments by Rhino McIntyre, which weren't in the krona cast. So this is a bonus we're talking about. And toilets on aeroplanes. We do know that there is a risk with closed transport vehicles with its planes buses. There's been a number of outbreaks already described on airplanes on buses and other vehicles including A. A navy ship whether it was a very, very high tech right? the Theodore Roosevelt in the US. The risk isn't just from Aerosol, droplets spread I mean we know that the highest risk isn't people sitting closest to the infected person and that's been born out in previous studies with diseases like to book your license and Maizels. But the toilet is also respected. There was one study where they were known infected people on board everybody was wearing a mosque and one of the people who became infected took the mosque off in the toilet. So we know that flushing the toilet can create aerosolize -ation. Probably. Less. So on an airplane toilet because of the nature of those toilets that don't have water swilling around, but they still would be rissole generation from the flushing action. So, the hall toilet is probably highly contaminated. So even if you wash your hands afterwards, you could breathe in contaminated aerosols than when you come out even just touching the door handle would be a risk. So that's that's probably one of the real hot spots on an airplane. That was Professor Rhino McIntyre who is professor of global biosecurity at Curbing University of New South Wales
Coronavirus Cases Rising in Victoria, Australia
"At the new, south Wales stats around me. July. There were fifteen eighteen fourteen coronavirus cases a day but never escalated, and there was no lockdown and life was pretty normal. Why isn't that happening now in Victoria with their current numbers? So reasons one is that you know the bottom line is that it's very hard for tour to retrofit the ideal contact tracing system and two years for New South Wales to build up the infrastructure to get there. So they've been playing catch up. The essential reason is Victoria has always had. A backlog, it's much less than it was, but you in the early days of this second wave, it was in the thousands where they didn't know where the virus was where people were getting from, and at one point, I think had four thousand people under investigation. So these are the mystery cases that they haven't been able to pin down where it's come from. Well I think depend on a lot of them but they they didn't know where it was coming. And in New South Wales, it's just a more int- faster contact tracing system where they're on top of it. You might have one or two cases at any one time where they don't come from maybe five and they get down pretty quickly. They also don't wait to tell you for the next day where it's all happening. We tell during the day so they might release their figures in the morning, but there's a case in a gym or go watch over certain restaurant or cafe they'll tell you during the day. So this is constant updating an alert system going on and they're. Just more onto it and it's always appeal art working hard and Victoria the are working hard is is just that the system works better in New South Wales and the result is and has been the result all along, which is there's less virus circulating in your New South Wales during the second wave is that part of the problem? Though is maybe Victoria of God at the beginning, and then it just got to such large numbers before they could figure out the best system. Yes but trip so they have talked about how New South Wales was lucky and it was lucky that they. Sensed, didn't have this breakdown in Authority. Get very angry at me. When I said, they're lucky because this is a lot of hard work here and so on. But in a sense, they didn't have an underground unknown spreads from Hotel Corentin which got into large social networks, and by the time they discovered it, it would have overwhelmed any contact tracing system but equally, they're contact tracing system wasn't sufficiently localized testing system. That responsive that the could get on onto its as fast as possible. So took a while I, think that Victoria really put the rest of the country on its goddess well, though that people saw what was happening there in other states and said, okay, we're going to start getting tested by going to be on the front foot with this doesn't happen here and that's the other reason what was as lucky as that they knew it was coming and so were they were on alert but. They still had a significant outbreak in south Sydney Hotel, crossroads motel, and from various restaurants and so on, and it looked very worrying at one point in New South Wales, and it was teetering on the brink of the managed to bring it back and it still is teetering on the brink by the way because New South Wales has had some cases which are surprises by again they seem to have gotten top fairly quickly with testing. It's incredibly low as they were tour around about the same time. They find it in the sewage they went in and they looked and they find some extra cases and as as we said Corona Casta as both a worry and good news is that the the diagnostic going up means that they're starting to find cases and the tasting rate went up dramatically I think it tripled over night. So we're not only answering questions from a high profile ABC colleagues Lisa's asking how is Metro Melvin going to be able to get to the fourteen day rolling average of five so that they can move into the third step of their roadmap for reopening there's no magic about this it's just continuing to. What you're doing, which is wearing masks when you're out. Keeping your social distance being really hygienic, wiping down surfaces being alert as much as possible, not having large family occasions. And hoping that the context system can actually get on top of this because cases now are down at numbers. The contact tracing system will be getting on top of it and yet it's hovered around nine ten for a few days but it will start to come down things will we'll get back but it's just going to take some time. There's a lot of virus circulating in. Victoria. So one of the things that's happening today, there's still a lot of circulating in. Victoria but kids are going back to school and marks. Emailed us about this saying is bit disappointed about it saying that kids are being said that they're less infectious but the best evidence seems to be inconclusive. What do we know about how safe it is to be sending kids back to school now it's remarkable how uncertain some of the evidence is here if you take the balance of evidence, the balance of evidences that children undertain are less susceptible to SARS covy to. and. They seemed to transmit it less. It's not as if they don't transmit it at all about that risk goes up after the age of ten considerably.
Why have three community cases suddenly popped up in NSW?
"So Norman in new, South Wales we had twelve days without any luckily quiet cases and we were feeling really good about it but then yesterday they had three new cases that were from community transmission and at least the reporting. That, we have at the time of recording current cost. We didn't think that they were actually linked to each other. So how did this happen? Well, you can only speculate eventually it will be explained we you would hope that it's not entirely a mystery that with genomic testing, we can find out perhaps what viruses their most closely linked to. So really won't stay a mystery for too long. So on the one hand, it's spread from known sources which are not, which is not readily apparent, but it is a worry because you don't wear they'd been you don't know who they might spread it to the just a lot of unknowns here. Even if you could say, well, originally did from the Crossroads Hotel and Salah or something like that all those weeks ago. The other thing that can happen with this virus is that it goes underground with asymmetric spread in a community. Of people who are younger to know they've got it or might not be coming forward for testing. So remember testing a New South Wales has plummeted and really far far too low when twenty or thirty, thousand people a day should be being tested at least twenty thousand and we're done below ten thousand and happy enough for a few days. So people are being tested and therefore we're going to get more and more surprises like this and in Washington states in the United States. Beginning this pandemic would underground for six weeks before papa game after somebody arrived. From China. So this is what this virus can do, and we've just go to keep alert. So three potentially unrelated cases maybe they are related, we just don't know yet. What does that say about how much more virus that probably is out there under the writer it obviously means there is more virus out there than we thought even if we know where it came from because reach, these three people were got to. Find out who the spread it to the last few days and really get out there and do a lot of contact tracing a lot of testing and hopefully people will come forward. So the Risto virus is there much. We don't know that's why they're doing sewage testing. You might remember that sewage testing did indicate a problem in south West Sydney the other day and Hawkesbury, but we find any cases in the Hawkesbury catchment. But this does mean there's fire is out there and you cannot relax. It also puts paid to this notion that we're going to go twenty eight days without community transmission before Boras Open Up. That ain't going to happen I. Don't think they ever get to that milestone to think so and so the tolerance of states like Queensland to do this is going to have to be a much higher tolerance than it is at the moment possibly even have to wait till the election so that doesn't become a political issue. So you think we need different thresholds for opening up again. Is that what you're saying? Yes, I mean I think that the key is you're going to get cases popping. Up like this, almost certainly, and the question is how much community spread has there been from name to others and do you know where that's come from and if you get the sense that New South Wales and hopefully Victoria quite soon knows where cases of come from who they spread it to and they're on top of it under on top of it quickly. Then the risks while the states really is pretty low, but it's not nothing. Well, there was some good news out of Victoria overnight where. that. Number of new cases has dropped back down again on these six new cases yesterday, and most of them seem to be clustered around these Chad Ston shopping center outbreak, which we know about. But there's a big group of doctors in Victoria who are against lockdown measures and they put out a open letter sort of saying that the lockdown measures are causing more health homs than they are good because people isolated that young people are being sort of stopped from. Going to school and socializing, and they're actually really low risk and that the risk of carbon to the general population is much lower than the risk of health negative health outcomes because of being isolated long these are serious issues and I'm sure these doctors care a lot about it. Some of them a little bit of overlap with a group of doctors who wrote to I think quarter magazine a few weeks ago stating similar things and it so we. Could problem I mean what do you do if in fact you had done what some people were arguing for, which is the end of September that the premier of Victoria should have really let foot off the brake both things go back to normal for all these reasons as well as for covering the economy. Then the predictions from the Burnet Institute's mathematical modeling was the the return hundreds of cases in a very short space of time I think that's been. Borne out when you've seen outbreaks like the chat stone shopping. Center outbreak and so on. So it doesn't take much for this to fuel up and I think that Victorians do not want to have gone through least Melburnians do not want gone through all this to have stop start going on and still having significant virus spreading. So I think that's the problem is that you've got the fuel for the fire there if you don't lockdown than the fuel can actually. Again and you can get significant numbers of people and the people. The people who are exposed are doctors, nurses, h care workers, even receptionists and others in care facilities. We haven't got that much better at controlling. It is just that we've got a bit better and they're still going to be vulnerable as well as the aged and infirm and I think the we said as a society that's not what we want and on the other side, there's no question that there's going to be mental health problems. Economic problems people are turning up late for the cancer diagnosis turning up. Late when they're acutely ill in the emergency department, all these things are happening. No question. The argument is a good one to make is just the answer is not simple, and if you'd let your food off the break earlier, we would have gone back to a major pandemic in Victoria very quickly as it stands, it's just getting under control and a few weeks from now, it should be much more under control a suspect it's not going to get to zero, but much more under control and the contact tracing testing regime should be able to control it with things like sewage. And testing of things. So don't think that we're too far apart on this but say right now we should be letting things off is probably a mistake and a he would be supported by any more balloons and just on that the number of healthcare workers in Victoria that are getting infected. We've got an update on that. Don't wait about numbers come right down. So things are getting under control. They're getting out of control on partly because community spread is under control. So people are not bringing it in, but really the major spread was within hospitals needs care centers themselves, and that is really is coming under control, which is a good thing. So
Are big families the centre of Victoria's second wave?
"So let's kick off with Victoria with as close to that seems to have sprung up from the Chechen shopping center cluster and it's moved out into regional Victoria. Now, it's some people in kill being infected. In a cafe and it just shows you the power of an outbreak and how this virus spreads through clusters and Robin more evenly spread such as influenza. And so for example, three of the cases of the fifteen. So caught a lot of cases yesterday where linked to the chat stone, which is club outbreak. This is a situation where you have got spread. It's still growing and they haven't been able to keep the legitimate so far. The chief health officer in Victoria Breath, Sutton explained why Victoria has been harder to do the contact tracing the nail swear because the family groups that are involved or have been involved a much larger. So where the family groups own averaging Australia to two and a half people. There more than six people in some situations, which means that you've got multiplications of complexity in terms of contact tracing. So each type provide you with another maybe ten people that you've got to contact, and if you've got six rather than two or three, it becomes very complicated and home said many times before is where you primarily catch covid nineteen, the covid nineteen virus. I was really surprised to see those statistics about the family size thought that was really interesting but I did wonder whether actually would make it easier if people living in the. Same. Household I thought that maybe it would make it easier to get in touch with them. It just creates far more people you've got to get in contact with, but yes, you're right. You're you're not chasing too many people depends how late you come to the events, and if you've if you're coming a bit later than you might have six people with Tim contacts each then if three or four days later and you haven't caught it in the first two or three days, then each one of those contacts is contained so it just multiplies out. So if people aren't coming forward for testing quickly or the contact tracing doesn't get on top of it quickly then you'd lose control of it to some extent. So fifteen new cases in Victoria. Are we getting out of control again down there I think what does shows is if if you remember a couple of weeks ago, the Burnet Institute released. Their modeling, which showed that if Torey took their food off the break too quickly on the twenty eighth of September, they could return to very large numbers very quickly and they were supporting the fact that the premier did not take the food off the break too quickly and it was fairly measured but it just shows you that if you lose control of an outbreak, this can grow very very quickly. So it doesn't mean it's to control. But. It does mean you're at high risk and it just shows you the burden. It was probably right if you had lifted your foot off the brake, it could be that you'll be dealing with multiple outbreaks because this is no breaking Chattan shopping center during lockdown. Or relative lockdown. So this is not good news, but at least they're across it and they don't seem to have too many cases under investigation at the moment, and that's the real danger in Victoria when they lose the plot and they just don't know where they're getting their infection from. Some out some more data that came up yesterday was that New South Wales had eleven, new cases all in hotel quarantines community transmission, which is really encouraging. But that seems like a large number of hotel quarantine cases. It just goes to show if we didn't have hotel quarantine those cases, it'd be out in the community. That's absolutely right. Our border control. The fact that we are an island has made an enormous difference to. This pandemic you've seen this huge second wave in Europe we would have had bet to So our border controls are incredibly important and it's not surprised by the way that you're seeing it live in cases because I assume that people are coming back from Europe and they're coming back from the United States and as they do so they're coming back from places where they've got second wave sometimes much larger than the first. Wave. So this is a situation where we would expect to be seeing more hotel quarantine hotel warranties could be really tight. It's probably too early for what the prime minister was suggesting, which is that you allow people to go into their own homes because the influx of people who are going to be positive is going to be growing but at least we're keeping the lid on it and I think as far as I'm aware. Of their keeping the only in Victoria and Queensland as well. So they were community transmission cases in New South Wales yesterday but there was also really low numbers of testing and they're still finding virus fragments in sewage. Yes. The way forward here has to be constant surveillance to see if you're missing cases and if you missing cases you've got to go in and you've got to try and do as close to possible mass testing. The still doing that with PR testing, but you could probably do it a bit more flexibly with rapid testing using rap protests are. Reasonably accurate. But you got to get in and find out where the viruses because I don't think we can any longer rely on people coming forward. I. Think there's fatigue I also think there's probably not much cold symptoms around because people aren't mixing as much. But you just cannot rely on the tasting regime. So you find it. I think Hawkesbury was one area in. New South. Wales. They've gone in and trying to extra testing and highlighting it to the local community. But really anybody listen to this wherever you are in Australia we've said it time and time again come forward for testing even if there's been no case in your state for. Weeks and weeks and weeks come forward just in case.
How can we safely reopen international borders?
"So there's been a lot of talk in the last couple of days about the international border and particularly from the Prime Minister says that international rivals from safe corona virus countries could avoid Herta quarantine and instead of going into Mandatory Hotel quarantaine people from those countries could go and do it in their own home. There's been quite a few questions about this coming through it. ABC. Dot Net dot edu slash corona cast including one from Kathy who says, what does Norman think of the PM suggestion about that Safe Countries Avoiding Hotel Quarantine? So this is an a nuanced, not easy problem to deal with. So there are some countries which do have very low prevalence of the virus. There's not many of them by the way, but there are some in which case you have people quarantining at home. You probably have large numbers quarantining. Technology rights even from paces with slightly higher prevalence. You only one person to get out by the way and spread the virus and you've got a major outbreak on your hands. So there is a risk they are, but you could have ankle bracelets which people could pay for, and that would be cheaper than hotel quarantine for two weeks you could have geo location on your phone you could. Have fines for giving you a phone to somebody else. But you've got to be able to know that the police whoever's going to administer canister this at huge scale, but it's possible to do that with modern technology. So it's not a bad idea and it could loosen top and it could listen up for international students particularly if you add rapid testing to the equation, but we don't ask that. Level of imposition from the government on ankle bracelets for people who are infected domestically and I selecting at Harmon we've we've spoken about this on chronic hospital four but also kathy also makes the point that one of the countries named was Japan which had more than four hundred cases on September twenty eighth alone, and she says as a Melbourne Ian in lockdown she's furious because as as you've noted, Norman that it only. Takes one case to to start another wife Yes. So you've just got to be very, very careful and this is not something you could turn on tomorrow. This is something that's got to have an infrastructure in place to make it manageable and to be as fail safe as it possibly can be. The Abbey's reported a couple of experts saying that it actually could work one was Robert and the other was paid calling. So. Do you think it's worthwhile though like if wages taking only a few countries admittedly with low A. numbers that it would help or is it just sort of opening up this slow step towards making it back to trying to get life back to normal? One way that you could do this is open it up to lure countries, get the system, right get a working with ankle bracelets or however you're going to do it get the systems in place and do it with relatively few travelers from Lewis places while Hotel Corentin is going on in parallel you could actually compare the two and see what the rate. Of positivity is you could combine it with rapid testing before you leave when you arrive and the middle of the of the quarantine periods, you could do this at scale with international students from Laura places like China one assumes that China at the moment Israel Risco that you can't be sure. So there are ways of dealing with this, which is not. That all of a sudden on the fifteenth of October hypothetically just starting to do this you might just ease your way into it learn how to do it in a safe way, and then you could scale up quite rapidly. Having said that you got to experts saying this is a good idea not not really a problem and you go professor Rhino, McIntyre Who's been pretty accurate predictions right through this Pandemic University of new, south Wales saying well, numbers would soon overwhelm you and you be able to cope. It does seem a bit strange talking about international arrivals to Australia win still many state borders are getting better but they're still closed. I mean you couldn't come down and visit me in Tasmania at the moment. But I'd have to quarantine. You'd have to come visit me through the window. You're right. But INTERNAL BORAS WE'LL start opening up your already. See a bit of relaxation in. Western. Australia with Corentin. NEW APP which they think is going to work in terms of how are monitoring people. Technology is the answer here, which would include I think rapid testing. So moving to Victoria, the numbers have been falling in recent days the average fourteen day data graph, which we all love looking at every single day continues to fall, but it does seem like healthcare workers are still getting infected. Yes and just today the updated healthcare worker numbers, and so the last week there have been twenty four H. Care Workers Nurses one doctor one, paramedic one allied health professional infected. So they're still comprising a fairly significant percentage of the. Total cases in Victoria and shows that there are still problems there and the thing is that there are catching up with numbers. So the numbers coming through very orgy complex cases you've got healthcare workers suddenly increasing you don't win there were infected the numbers from Victoria I'm sure they are trending down, but they are not as said this again and again they're not as transparent as they luke. Okay.
Why 1 million coronavirus deaths is only just the beginning
"Yesterday Norman the world clock devote one million deaths from covid nineteen since this began less than a year ago it's been reported by the Johns Hopkins University. Dashboard, which is a pretty morbid side that keeps keeps an eye on all this sort of stuff apart from the one million deaths we've got thirty three point three, million cases in counting. And it's amazing to think that this all started from one person probably about less than a year ago. Yeah. Ten months ago November, that's the smart money is one person in China from a Bat Or Bats and moved into on ESPN. Is, an extraordinary number. And this is not necessarily going to slow down as many countries go into the second way. So we're at one million. What's the chance? Do you think we'll get to two million? Oh, I think that we'll get to two million without too much trouble unfortunately. We've got view of the United States figures on that Hopkins sites the United States numbers are going back up. There were going down a couple of weeks ago or through a few weeks ago and other going back up. Second Wave Solidifying in Europe France, not come back to France and a minute. So I think that we will get to the the the second million sadly tragically and low to middle income countries are really just getting going with this and there that just don't have the medical facilities that we do into in terms of helping people who've got severe illness. So unfortunately, this is going to go on. So when you look at also where the number of deaths really have. occurred it seems like about ten countries account for more than seventy percent of the debts. Obviously, the US is the big one there nearly a fifth. That's about two hundred and something thousand followed by Brazil India Mexico the UK Italy, where do you think that the new deaths will likely come from? Where is the the virus currently growing? It's going to come from those countries probably because they're the one seeing second wave in the second wave could well be worse than I. I wouldn't be surprised if that looks pretty similar. In some other countries, you're not necessarily going to know what's happening because they're not doing enough testing to really be sure how much corona virus they've got many people are dying of it. So I think it's in countries with doing testing that you're going to see the effect and it's likely I mean you see a million? It's likely that it's seven to ten million in reality. Because we are underestimating the amount of coronavirus around. So one million is just what we know about seven to ten is probably what the real figure actually is, and that's really scary. You mentioned the the second wives coming through a lot of countries and where in Europe, in particular saying a lot of cases suddenly jump up a lot from where they were. But. We're not actually saying the death toll yet follow. Why do you think that is all and do you think that it's likely that that's going to continue that trend so one reason you see a delay in the deaths appearing is that it takes a couple of weeks. People become seriously ill, and then we can be seriously over quite a long time. So that's one reason why it's a delay. There's probably a reduced death rate as well because the getting better at treating people in intensive care with decks meth zone, which reduces death rates by twenty percent nursing tummy not using ventilators and also the older people are so socially isolating themselves wearing masks. So they're tending not to get infected, and so the bias infections towards younger people who tend not to die of covid nineteen of Ova can get long-term effects we've spoken about. On Kurna cast before and you mentioned France before what did you want to say about France? France. Is reporting an upsurge and the authorities there are really getting worried in its report there that for example, one of the senior doctors and France as told newspapers that they're worried that there's going to be enough medical personnel to be able to deal with the the record number of cases that are appearing in France and that they may run out of intensive care beds. And it's patchy and it's also into an underprivileged areas such as Marseille where there's a lot of overcrowding and there's the worry that the capacity of the French hospital system to cope with could be welcomed a very good hospital system. So you mentioned testing before and there's been quite a few announcements recently about testing the other day we saw one from the World Health Organization about rapid testing and I think we also saw demonstration at the White House by President, trump what's the rapid testing? All about what what's it hoped that it'll achieve take overseas before we get to Australia, what the World Health Organization has done through the gates. Foundation is purchased one, hundred, twenty, million test kids rapid test kits. and. These test kits. One of them in particular is a bit like a pregnancy test where you do a swab, you shake it in some liquid and then you Putin liquid on a test strip and you went fifteen minutes into the. Shows the line or to bend your positive for the virus and it's pretty accurate. It's not quite as accurate as the PTR tests the wonder doing the moment but you don't need the artery. You don't need cars to take your samples to a laboratory then get an Aq- and wait for the results. This is done on the sport fifteen minutes. You've got an answer. So it's a way in resource poor environments to get an answer and it is cheaper than doing the PC artists. In countries like Austrailia, these tests could be used as a way of controlling the pandemic moving forward. What are we going to do in states like Batori and you South Wales even Western Australia with US tonight breaking the ship off the coast of port hedland where everybody's vulnerable to new infections coming in from overseas in particular? HOW ARE WE GONNA? Make sure there's no virus circulating that we're not aware of and mass testing particularly where people gather in large numbers is one way to actually see whether it's almost like screening the population see if you're missing any virus. And you can't really do mass screening with the existing resources because you're just going to clog up the system. If. It's instant testing people are more likely to agree to it because they don't have to hang around. They don't have to isolate themselves until they get a positive result. And it's a way of quickly finding out what's going on in an affordable way. Do you know any plans by the Australian government to get any of these rapid testing kits and and instigate that that type of program with therapeutic goods administration has stralia has approved several of these I think it's four or five of these rapid testing kits so that all they're already available in Australia. The one ones that w chose bought, which is like the pregnancy test. By Abbott, his is still under consideration for approval and there's no reason why wouldn't be approved. So the the tests are available here and available affordable price. The ideal here would be one that self contained. We don't need a little machine sitting on a desk some of them do you have to put it into machine? This one is a shake squeeze onto a strip and just wait for the result and there are others do that as well. So there's no reason why not? No in Victoria the DAUGHERTY institute is testing a way of doing mass testing using the PR test, which is the old test if you like the accurate using using saliva and they're testing that in the thousand members of the police force just to work. Out, what is the most efficient way of collecting the saliva? So you could mess testing with the old way of going about it, but the rapid testing is probably more flexible,
Australia's Victoria reports lowest COVID-19 cases since June
"It's really encouraging to see the numbers really coming down quite low in Victoria we've been waiting a long time for it people in Victoria have been waiting a really long time for it, but there does seem to be the stubborn tile. What does the last push of the Victorian plan to get rid of COVID? What does it entail? Well, it's entails really. Targeted approach because it's not evenly spread across Greater Metropolitan Melbourne. So if you look at a map southeastern suburbs around the local area of Casey those an increasing number of cases there, or there's a steady number of cases they are The sole interest of active cases got fewer active cases in the northeast corridor but the northwest corridor seems to be coming down a bit and when you match Casey with Mobility Datta People armour mobile and it tends to be related to the fact that people. Don't have as much money that area. They've got poor quality jobs more casual jobs need to travel, and they're out and about in public transport. So the potential for spread in somewhere like Casey is much greater than say in the inner eastern suburbs of Melbourne where people tend to be staying at home. Not traveling quite as much. Does that mean that there is maybe a a welfare solution to this if the people they're not able to stay at home for socioeconomic reasons is there more intervention that can be done there. Well, they're already our interventions in Victoria in terms of support if you're tested positive I think that there needs to happen is already happening, which is more intensive testing in those areas and targeting you need to have I. Think a system that similar to New South Wales. May Well, be that there's the retorted but I haven't seen it. which is that if you live in New South Wales, you know exactly which Jim I mean people aren't going to gyms but the the May will be tram or train that somebody got onto or a shop that he went into and much more alerts. So that people who've been in the same area know that they are it also needs community development dense the community onside community leaders people to come forward. We actually had a question on this from David. Saying. What are some of the epidemiological reasons for the stubborn tile of the reduction in infections that is cases dropped swiftly after lockdown but then they flatten out it is these the reasons that play into this you can't really separate epidemiology or biology from the way we live pandemics are not a biological phenomenon purely, yes. You got to have a bug that evolves, but it's all about our behavior and how interact with the JEREM whether it'd be tumor virus. So. Epidemiology that exquisite junction between society and biology, and that's what you've got here. The more biological reasons here is our that almost certainly the still virus circulating circulating amongst younger people who are either to matic or don't have very many symptoms all not coming forward for testing and that asymmetric spread that that iceberg phenomenon is what might be driving part of it but it's not driving it strongly because numbers are coming down
Coronavirus: Have NSW and Queensland learnt their lessons from Victoria?
"We've been talking a lot about Victoria on this podcast and with good reason because that's where the majority of Australia's new cases coming. But there's also a spread happening in New South Wales and Queensland and some of the questions that we're getting are about basically with a these states have learned some lessons and are making some changes to their approach based on what's happening in Victoria will your queenslander? Why don't you tell us what's happening up there? Yes. So it is interesting the health authorities here. have been quite open about the fact that they're nervous. They're worried to see some community transmission happening here. It's linked to a juvenile detention center and we know that I'm prison outbreaks problematic because you've got people in close quarters but they are definitely making some changes to the sorts of restrictions I brought in based on what's happened in Victoria. So nothing's really changed in terms of businesses, but the number of people that you can have visiting a household or like private gatherings outside Your House that's been what's restricted and that's based on the Victorian experience that some of those clusters happened early on, we're really linked to lodge family networks rather than sort of transmissions happening at businesses. And offices although the ones one outbreak in a lawyer's office North West Melbourne from memory. That's right. So it's this is domestic kits at families is family weightings, family events, funerals, and so on. People are hugging close together. And P. The opportunity for Aerosol spread early on and on that one of the other things that's being mentioned much earlier in this Queensland outbreak than happened in Victoria is they're advising people to wear masks. Now, if you're in a public place in a crowded place there advising that you wear bosc and that's not something that we heard until quite a long time into the Victorian outbreak note that Triton thankfully there deviating from the national advice on this. has been a bit reserved. It's just an extra layer of protection even if there's not much virus around, you just don't aware it is what about where you are normally in New South Wales Wales, they seem to be getting the unknowns down to a low number, which is the which is the statistic that worries everybody Wine Victoria when interstate for lockdown is that they just far too many people where they didn't know where they're getting virus form. Is running along in reasonable shape. The problem is they're still virus around, and whilst we report day by day on the numbers and the number of unknown sources, this can change. On a day-to-day basis, he really got to look at the running average and what's happening in terms of the train, but the train these. Small numbers and increasingly knowing where the virus is coming from. Obviously, we would all prefer to have zero spread whatsoever but New South Wales seems to have maintained a low level that has been more or less consistent. Is that maybe? A different way of living with the virus long term. I'm not sure that that's what they're. Amy's. They've said in the past that they're not aiming for zero spread. But. There's enough anxiety around even at low levels that you can't quite relax. But if the couldn't get it done two zero spread and I assume that are trying incredibly hard to do so. And you probably could live with this but you living with a situation where they probably going to mandate masks robin just ask people to wear masks. And and have quite strict social distancing. So that's there's no chance of virus being spread around. So there is virus, it tends not to get spread. But there will always be the risk of of a blowout. So we might talk about it Victoria just a little bit because we got a question from ally. You've said that a few times that Victoria isn't being transparent and when all is been watching the presses everyday, they're saying that they do feel like there's a lot of transparency there. So what are you referring to when you say that is digging darn and being completely open for example, by the hospital spread and we tend to find about find out that late we tend to find out. How we don't really know how it's being transmitted. We'd been misled I think about how has been transmitted because the minister at one point said only ten or fifteen percent of being caught in hospitals clearly, not the case moisture product being caught in hospitals. Possibly, not from patients maybe in the tea room and other places where they could be passing it on. But we haven't sorted that out. What we don't know is not where of knowing is whether patients have caught it from healthcare workers one hope that hasn't happened, but we haven't heard that statistic either and and why we should know about this is really the two areas that seem to be the problem. Yes. There still some problem with food storage facilities, and so on and outbreaks stemming from them, and those are always at risk. But largely, we have aged care residents have healthcare workers and both age care and in hospitals, and if you subtract them from the total, there aren't many cases left in Victoria from community spread. So we towards doing really well but if the up they've got be up front about their hospital problem. So that, we can all share in that and that means we don't. You know when we go in as a patient, we're just careful or there's no are we know that there's no patient spread? Healthcare worker to healthcare worker because people are arriving late at hospital with serious conditions which need major interventions and they need to be sure that the hospitals are safe and I think it creates doubt if they're not being entirely open perhaps were political reasons. So I think those are the reasons why should they just got to be straight and and tell us what the statistics are and how they're dealing with 'cause they really get on top of the hospital situation on top of aged care. The pretty close to solving the problem in Victoria. Really,
"David. Because Australia's so far away from the other continents. It's easy for the rest of the world to not really have a clear image of what it's like. The stereotype made include kangaroos on every corner and Paul Hogan Wrestling Crocodiles, in the outback. Do you find that a lot of visitors you meet in Australia come armed with a lot of misperceptions about what they'll find preconceptions invariably wrong. Suddenly it's the case in Australia where as you saw the introduction, the business about Kangaroos hopping down the main street with nothing could be further divorced from reality that image and a Crocodile Dundee. Well, he came from the northern territory and he actually lives in America now, and he's one of our favorite experts. So, there you go. Australia's quite urbanized then. It's very of an is and it's a huge landmass. It's only a fraction smaller than the United States and everyone will the vast majority of people live within twenty kilometers of the coast say fifteen miles of the coast. So you have a huge concentration of people have been buried narrowband typically stretching from Cy Melvyn in the south up to Brisbane that halls probably seventy five percent of Australia's population right there. Yes. Okay. Now, the two dominant cities would be Sydney and Melbourne where where do you go for the best urban thrills? What would you recommend? How do they compare comparing? Them is very difficult and the answer you get when you ask that question will dependent tally on where that person was from. They are Mel Benon. Sevan for Melvin or Sydney Saad and the endless rivalry between the two. People from Sydney Regard Melburnians as easy as boring or as people for Melvin C Sydneysiders as frivolous where you fun loving I come from northern New South Wales I'm a country boy. Oh so you can get unbiased I i. have a Sydney Wife. Sybil on wife. So my leanings now with Sydney, but the only city I've lived in Australia in Melvin. Okay how do you characterize the two times? Is there a different culture for the people in the United States you know we got the coast and the West Coast I think there's a big difference between the two and the difference is really driven by climate. And that Melvin. Has further south and thus it has quite cold winters Sydney's lot warmer and therefore the accident is more on outdoor activities and as a coastal city, you have wonderful beaches what the bond I beach is. One of the world's iconic beaches now is their rivalry between the two cities naturally. So arrival of everything, which is why the capital of Australia is halfway between the two because they could not decide where to put it to avoid a civil war related had to had to avoid. That's great. Now you live in Melbourne and understand there's a lot of Greeks living in Melbourne maybe that's why you do tours degrees. Is there some connection there what's with the Greeks and Melbourne while the Greeks came to Melbourne after World War Two an after the Greek civil war which fetch -ly trashed all the great infrastructure and at the time. Metro will populate or perish, and they wanted to populate with Europeans and so the offer went out to Italians. Of various descriptions as populate Oh perished, I was the manager they were afraid that they would be swept away by the Asians from the north. So perish sort of a almost a racist thing populate with white people or we're going to be bowled over by this rising Asian hord. I. Think at the time that the policy was put in place. It was very overtly racist right and they will also terms that we use which totally unacceptable today and I can't use them already now either. So the the word went out and maybe perhaps the more poor countries in white Europe per day call and let Greeks went on there absolutely, and the time they were considered a little bit too small the. They really wanted white northern Europeans say Germans. Rather, than southern Europeans
Cows With Eye Images Keep Predators in Arrears
"In Botswana farmers grades there tattle at the edge of the OKAVANGO Delta. The region is teeming with wildlife including hungry predators with a taste for beef lions and leopards in particular. Ambush. Predators, they often rely on the element of surprise to creep up and take down that Prank University of New South Wales Conservation Biologist Neil Jordan life losses can be crippling to some of these farmers and the subsequent retaliatory killing of predators in response to that is a major cause of population decline in large carnival. But what if there were a simple thing farmers could do to cut their losses the idea came about. Of Painting is on the backside of cows to trick lions and leopards into thinking being seen by that would be pray and once seen like often abandon the hunt. This visionary solution was inspired by nature. A variety of species have evolved I. Spot Markings, thwart deadly adversaries. Some frog barriers feature is spots as do the back ends of some fish Jordon's colleague, Cameron Radford probably, the most famous example is on butterflies moths have. Their wings and as to practices such as birds from attacking them. Even humans are susceptible to ice pots. One study found that people are less likely to steal bikes when an image of watchful eyes is displayed nearby cracks. But despite their usefulness Predator foiling ice butts don't occur naturally in mammals to make up for this egregious evolutionary oversight, the scientists slash cow, but artists dot to work I can guarantee the cows didn't enjoy the experience didn't hurt them at all hurting those cows in the morning for the artificial treatments probably wasn't domestic citing thing for the over the four year experiment. The researchers found that not one of the hundreds of cows with ice spots on their Easter's. Killed by an ambush Predator but the study also showed that while less effective, simply painting crude cross marks on the cows deterred predators better than leaving them Oh nutshell. So perhaps, any kind of novel marking can startled in unsuspecting carnivore. Pharma's can potentially paint Nakata without official lost boats. All crosswalks that we recommend the sportscars that was the best result the Botswana Predator, Conservation Trust and the Teranga conservation. Society Australia Osso contributed to this research which appeared in the journal Communications Biology. Ultimately, a little artistic license could go a long way to safeguard both livestock herds and predators at risk of extinction looking at you kid.
Solving the mental load update
"When we first spoke about the mental load on this podcast, there was a fringe cartoon cold. You should've asked that was going viral. It explained the mental load with such clarity that when I first saw it, my reaction was fury. I wanted to. Shift to the ground. It showed a woman with a baby and a hapless male partner who was kind, but needed to be told how to help and it so familiar. So common. So exasperating and so profoundly unfair. Journalist, Tracey spicer new. What I was talking about. It was an absolute lightbulb moment for me, I sir, Clementine, Ford's facebook page. I share with everyone and I knew that went viral swear words and it happened in the time when I realized that my life with my wonderful husband who's fifty fifty with the housework fifty, fifty with the childcare, but it was just the little things. I'm always the one who organizes school holiday care or who takes the time to look after the kids or rangers everyone's Christmas presents or birthday present in his extended family and my extended family. So after reading that I, decided to go on strike in the household so he had to do it drove him Berserk. He said this is crazy. Such little school holiday cared Australia. I said now you know my pain. Jenny talk about the mental load in your life. I think when I saw the catching was like, oh, no added that to my mental learn. About. How often I think about the mental load? That's Jenny Leong amp in New South Wales Parliament I was very lucky and I consider it to be like that. My partner was able to access paid parental leave. So he was the primary care for a significant amount of time and in that case he did take the mental Lloyd and a lot of that was then there that the what's interesting is once we're both Both. Back at work where the default position falls back and the expectation of WHO's supposed to know those things to me. Then you feel like part of it is also all of my being bad feminist because of that because I think then adds another level to it to how much you should make a deal of this or not I noticed the gender dynamic with my. Friends that are in. Relationships, they're both men they quite comfortably into stereotypes, gender roles that old without all of the challenges and the. Doctor Leah. Repent on a lecturer in sociology at the University of, Melbourne. She racist as domestic labor, and this idea of the mental load is her field of expertise. I'm going to start and say a little bit controversial. Say That everyone actually carries the mental load. So some portion of your mental load may go to thinking about your career. Some portion of it may go to thinking about your family and some portion of it may be going to thinking about your personal life and the differences, the balance across men and women. So you could imagine men are spending a lot more of their mental load thinking about how do I advance my career thinking about the day to day challenges of work. That is a very different mental load than who is going to pick up the child from daycare. or WHO's GonNa Organize School holidays or who's doing the housework wise. House a mass. And one leads to economic outcome, career mobility and one is just unpaid sometimes recognized sometimes not recognized labor. And I think that's really the difference. How do we shift the ratio? Definitely does seat more with women the. Yeah, I, K-. So we're all in agreement about that. Absolutely. Absolutely, the balance in terms of unpaid in terms of thinking about the experience is disproportionately shouldered by women. Yes. Absolutely. Once, you get your head around the idea of the mental load. You start seeing it everywhere in the lives of your friends, colleagues, your mother, your self. It. Happens to women in all walks of life and age and six urology, but it seems to hit hardest when there's a baby. So. Now, we have a name for the mental load. But. The problem is naming, it doesn't make it go away. As I was sobbing thinking. I used to be able to manage employees teams. And now I'm too overwhelmed to even manage a grocery list. And more importantly. How did I become the default for every single child care and household tasks for my family? It wasn't supposed to happen to me. This is a road ski shades La, and she's written a book called Fairplay, which is all about fairly distributing the mental load aves marriage nearly ended when her husband center, it takes saying. I'm surprised you didn't get blueberries. She was furious at the assumption that she had gone from high powered lawyer to full-time Default Blueberry shepper. Eight. Knew she had to do something about it? She says, there are a few ways to look the mental load. My favorite was a term from nineteen eighty-seven and American sociologist named Arlene Kaplan. Daniels. coined a term called invisible work. In why like that term so much is because that's the only one that had a modicum of a solution in it. Because I kept thinking to myself. Maybe. Maybe if I can make. Visible all the invisible things I was doing from my home and family for my husband, Seth? Maybe then he would value what I did.
"new south wales" Discussed on KQED Radio
"In New South Wales state she said she and some of her animals escape from a wild fire by a river boat the area we wish sheltering was on fire then we could save the property thirty from the front and we already knew what was around the back and the sides and if we didn't have that revolves I'm not even sure we've been yeah Australian officials say the wild fires have killed hundreds of millions of birds and other animals you're listening to NPR news from Washington Porter Rico remains under a state of emergency following a series of earthquakes over the past several days one person has been killed and several others have been injured buildings have collapsed and most of the island still does not have power back because of the power outages governor one of Moscow's warns that at least three hundred thousand Porter Rican customers do not have drinking water preliminary data show that U. S. greenhouse gas emissions fell in twenty nineteen thanks to a drop in the power sector Wyoming public radio is Cooper McCann reports emissions are down two point one percent several major coal producers filed for bankruptcy last year including two in Wyoming the largest coal producing states analysts Trevor Hauser says the drop in coal consumption was the biggest factor in reducing emissions by levels increased in other areas and it buildings transportation and industry we've yet to see the development low carbon technologies at sufficient scale to lead to large scale reduction in emissions Hauser co authored the report for rhodium group an independent research provider he says at this rate the US is not on pace to meet the goals set forth in several international climate agreements for NPR news I'm Cooper macam the National Weather Service has growing confidence a large winter storm will hit the east coast by Friday the services that may include tornadoes and hail from Texas through other parts of the south and flooding in the Ohio and Tennessee valleys some states that are farther north we'll get wintry precipitation I'm korva Coleman NPR news support for NPR comes from NPR stations.
"new south wales" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM
"In Australia the wild fires continue to ravage New South Wales with thousands of evacuations Michelle Franzen ABC news and now que to weather brought to you by standard TV and appliance we are off to another start on Sunday with more rain on the way that should be tapering back just a little bit in the afternoon hours mid forties for daytime highs another round of rain feeds off Monday turning to showers of for the early part of Tuesday and then more rain developing again Tuesday into Wednesday with key to storm tracker weather I merry lows and I heart radio station eleven ninety K. E. X. available everywhere with I heart radio now number one eleven ninety now use your guest does Richard Serret welcome back say hello on Twitter at Richard Serra S. why because I love U. R. E. double T. BB king and Van Morrison if you Love Me I'm gonna send that out to my lovely bride the mighty Aphrodite I was feeling a little under the weather these days she's battling a cold like a lot of you I'm sure the European union's patent office has issued a new ruling rejecting to patent application submitted on the behalf of artificial intelligence programs that's right a robot the two inventions were created as part of a multi disciplinary research project organized at the university of Surrey in the United Kingdom the researchers used an artificial intelligence called Jabba's or device for the autonomous bootstrapping of unified sentence Jabba's created two unique usable ideas that were submitted to patent that the patent office the first was a new kind of beverage a container and the second was a signal device to help search and rescue teams locate.
"new south wales" Discussed on WCPT 820
"From New South Wales and Victoria thirty four of which are out of control that means firefighters can not get a good handle in advance of these fires so this is incredible on just the amount of smoke in the integrated air that is taking place and by the way on satellite imagery we're seeing the smoke drift into the South Island of New Zealand residence there had to turn on their lights in the middle of the day because the smog and the smoke was so thick this week's attack on the embassy in Baghdad is because Dr state Mike Pompeii ale the way his trip to Ukraine and for other countries he was supposed to arrive in Ukraine late Thursday for his first visit to the country which is at the center of president trump's impeachment it was set to meet with your cranes president and reaffirm American support for Ukrainian sovereignty on the condition of one of the stabbing victims during that hundreds of services described as dire was want to bring Jim grass is an update he may not regain consciousness he is still unconscious from this attack over the weekend and he may not regain consciousness and even if he did he may suffer for it from severe brain damage so really just horrific outcome in this family Sir at rather this community is certainly well aware of how he's doing and even raising funds are trying to get about a hundred thousand dollars just in this community alone to help not only him but all the families who face injuries in this attack from the late Bobby Kristina brown has died Nick Gordon was blamed for brown's death after she was found unresponsive in a bathtub in twenty fifteen along so her family including singer Bobby brown accused Gordon of giving her a toxic cocktail because of Gordon's death has not been released Francis the sea Chicago's progressive talk eight twenty eight AM W. C. P. T. willow springs and online at W. C. P. T. twenty dot com where facts matter closing reminds us regularly about the significance of this moment in history she says sometimes you choose the moment and sometimes the moment chooses you and my sisters and brothers is moments eighty eight twenty four fax math around the town Chicago I've always said is seeing the play again does it mean you're seeing a play you get when you see a movie and you see it's always the same when you have a different director or a different cast of characters in a different stage everything changes it's a new production on Sunday afternoons at two eighteen twenty let's be on the national symphony may not be in his future but he wanted to try a violin so you said yes because you love and if you love him that much love them enough to make sure he's buckled up and in the backseat find out more about keeping your kids safe in your vehicle N. H. T. S. A. dot gov slash the right see shown you love him keep them safe.
"new south wales" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"In New South Wales has called for a mass exodus from an area which is hugely popular in the current summer holiday season shama Khalili's their differences highway is the only access for out of town on the southern coast of New South Wales these are the coastal holiday towns that have been devastated by the fires on new year's eve this road now looks like a huge parking lot I'm looking at a long row of vehicles that just seems endless but more crucially it's not moving it's not going anywhere the conditions around us are still quite dangerous we've had electricity poles brings out trees collapse on the road that is caused closures in different directions there's been widespread criticism of the Israeli prime minister's decision to request from parliament immunity from prosecution in three cases in which he is charged with bribery and fraud Benjamin Netanyahu said the charges against him were politically motivated but his main rival banning guns at the prime minister was attempting to make himself above the law the world of basketball has been paying tribute to its former US national association commissioner David stern who died on Wednesday aids seven to seven which it holds looks back at his career David stern was a lawyer and businessman who was involved in basketball for more than fifty years he took charge of the sport in nineteen eighty four and during his thirty years in office so the sports revenues increased more than thirty fold he also ushered in a huge expansion of the sports television coverage during the nineteen nineties and two thousands the current NBA commissioner Adam silver paid tribute to David stern saying that his leadership of one of America's most popular sports have turned the game into a truly global brand world news from the BBC flooding in the Indonesian capital Jakarta is now known to have killed at least sixteen people there were more heavy downpours there on Wednesday night and residents are bracing for another influx of water from nearby towns the authorities in China are reported to have rounded up at least a dozen dissidents and human rights lawyers around the country the monitors say the crackdown began a week ago the B. B. C.'s Dave marsh has more according to statements from the two groups the wave of detentions targeted rights lawyers academics and other activists who met privately in Fujian province a leave in December one rights group said those detained was suspected variously of subversion provoking trouble they include Ding Jesse a veteran pro democracy activist and disponibiliza who's advocated working within the Chinese system for political change another activist is reportedly on the run after posting a new year message urging his compatriots to take action to change China March reporting the time when he is chief of staff general Shaul meaning it is missing after the helicopter in which she was flying made what the ministry of defense called an emergency landing ten people including all the senior military officers have been rescued from the crash site in the mountainous will lonely district in the north of the island authorities say the search for general shown was continuing new figures published by a Dutch aviation consultancy have shown that the number of people killed in large airliner crashes fell by more than fifty percent and twenty nineteen two hundred and fifty seven people were killed last year more than half of those fatalities coming in the Ethiopian airlines crash in March the figures show that there was a fatal accident you never five and a half million flights made that's the latest BBC world news you're listening to the news to him from.
"new south wales" Discussed on WRVA
"In New South Wales this person lives there and he says that there the fire is just going crazy depending on weather wind comes back or not it's going to be tricky excerpts from interviews with platoon members calling fellow navy seal Eddie Gallagher toxic evil accusing him of targeting civilians including children in Iraq in a new documentary from The New York Times Gallagher was found not guilty of war crimes president trump is stop the navy review and restore his rank A. B. C.'s will car he says that he was initially surprised and disgusted when it's all those videos but says when he thought about it for a while he did not think those accounts under tough questioning tonight he points to his acquittal this is vindication legendary in pioneering radio shock jock don Imus dead at seventy nine back in the day in New York he noted that he had quit or been fired a lot during part about being here you're supposed to the only you're listening to ABC news Carlson financial we were talking with Carl Carlson the other day this man is brilliant absolutely brilliant he's helping the sole many people get ready for and then you can fill in the blank see a lot of times you all well you know he's he's get helping people get ready for retirement well he is helping some people get ready for retirement he's helping other people manage their wealth he's helping other people get ready to take care of other family members you know for those of us that have special needs kids especially you got to think about all of that Carl is the guy that has dedicated his entire life to financial services any focuses in a couple of areas we are so lucky to have him here in Richmond if you're thinking about tax planning and with the new year AA everybody's thinking about new tax implications maybe you've changed jobs maybe your going in a slightly different direction maybe you've got a you've got an IRA or four oh one K. that you're looking to roll over he will help you with that planning that is state life insurance everybody's got to have some sort of life insurance in place mortgages you know mortgages are on most people think all I can't wait to pay off the mortgage and sometimes believe it or not it's a good thing to have a mortgage I could go on and on and on but I will tell you that the regular basis he does these wonderful wine and wisdom of banshee get together with him there's dinner there's drinks and little little presentational what's going on currently in the financial world he's right here in the west end like twin hickory twin hickory and knuckles you know by now buy ins broke listen I I don't want to tell you everything I want you to get the details you need so why don't you call Carl Carlson's office over Carlson financial it's.
"new south wales" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"In New South Wales warned third lives and homes would be at risk with no let up in the high temperatures strong winds and low humidity a powerful cyclone has killed several people as it hit the border region between India and Bangladesh India reported two deaths qualities three Bangladeshis were killed by falling trees about two million people spent the night in storm shelters a cyclone Google made landfall between India's cigar islands and capoeira in Bangladesh the British internet stock K. aside has beaten his American rival the can pour in a much hyped boxing match in Los Angeles the two celebrities who have huge followings on social media will walk away with prize money of more than eight hundred thousand dollars each annex Richmond has this report the battle to crown the toughest internet personality round the full six rounds and ended in a points victory for the British you cheap stock KSI the balance was a grudge rematch which followed to drool forces Amasis in Manchester last year prior to his boxing career KSI made his name uploading videos of himself playing the computer game FIFA Logan pool previously made headlines when he filmed himself discovering a suicide victim in Japan whether the fight was Randall just on for the publicity the TV revenues are estimated by some pundits at more than a hundred million pounds I was Alex Ritson reporting BBC news welcome to in the balance this week coming to you from the city of Kilkenny in Ireland and the home of the kill economics economics and comedy festival I'm Laurie cassman judge we.
"new south wales" Discussed on KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO
"Right now just brothers the weekend is the first team to lose its first game at the series and win the world title for CBS New South Wales for Pennsylvania traffic and weather together every ten minutes on the fives at four fifty five let's check in with style but I think our tipsters for checking in really dependent on you this morning that's for sure the four oh five north at Wilmington there's a car fire and just reported in before the CHP could get it want to thank you very much but I ask that person to call nine one one and I'm seeing some slowing right now before the seven ten on the southbound side of the four oh five approaching Wilmington Avenue this car is fully involved and let's hope that everything's okay there let's hope everything's okay on the southeast side of the downtown loop there this is on the one on one north before fourth street and a this is a disabled car does have its hazards on but do look out that's right after he everyone shocking for position between the five of the one one headed up towards the the a San Fernando free December Dino freeway so just be aware of that then also we have this crash in diamond bar the westbound sixty between the fifty seven a break canyon road CHP has all lanes blocked this is for a disabled vehicle that was struck and a single are still in Glendale eagle rock the north bound to is closed until further notice between the one thirty four and the two ten that's for the brush fire yesterday next reports coming up at four five oh five I'm least hours were traffic reports were often can extend seventy newsradio look for sunny skies today and highs in the upper sixties to mid seventies of the beaches eighties to around ninety inland it's sixty seven degrees in Culver city.
"new south wales" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"This summer i Mike Clifford for public news service. We we are member and listener supported and you'll find us online at Public News Service Dot O._R._G.. Not Because of the path that lies before me but because of the path that lies behind me I remember that one hundred years we have caught these soon after a century of law I remember that which we still let them remember veered into a coffin here on declare your independence a year and a sand clock in Phoenix Arizona from the B. E. A. -utiful studios of doc what Max Egan maxine talk to hear just second and the third hour we got ten PA- Chote did Liberty Advisor going to help us out in economics and such so we'll get to that tomorrow zero we have <hes> Donna had here K. We got Cindy Sheehan's in the first hour you guys don't remember back in God it was Oh four five. She started Camp Casey member no six in front of Bush's ranch ranch and so on I went there for like a week you know covered that prayer America and it was it was interesting and Cindy. She has become a friend. She's going to be on the show tomorrow rage against the war machine so we're GONNA be talking about that. She's of course antiwar in the second second hour Mike Sylvia he was a state legislator in the Free State Project in New Hampshire and he has he really inspired me. I'm wondering I'm going what is it that we can do go pirate and so on the twenty twenty election cycle can really make the point that we wh-what if it pleases the crown can I leave yeah. That's one thing pleases the crown can I dwell on my own property and it comes down to this environmental kind of stuff last couple of decades and they're doing an occupancy permit the whole thing is these being retaliated against because as a legislator he costs some town they moved into Alabama Nimmo gets up so he we'll talk about that tomorrow. It's it's interesting comes down to occupancy occupancy permit with that they can control everything I take that away by initiative or something we start getting the idea and people's heads that you can live on your own land on my goodness certainly out and unincorporated areas and I'm going yes. I can take away away their power. We'll find out. We'll work on that then. Doug Nausbaum is a regular reader and commenter on Freedoms Phoenix. He has been a troll to be honest now. He just hates the fact that we you know <hes> show what's going on in the Middle East and who's to blame for whatever and vaccines and he's a big vaccine supporter John well get your butt on radio here everything I hear everything so he's coming on finally lake finally finally he decided after years and years and years you come on tomorrow now. Today were first hour Max Egan. We've done some podcast with him. I Donna has it up in the show notes for the archive and it's going to show you know Max and I talk and before getting to know each other and what I wanted to talk to now now e. l. commentary on technology and history now. We're going to get the histories taken history. You know it's not what they say. Hey it is. He's made it up because they can you know and you think about it really not that hard so especially if you're the government so I want to introduce you to Max Egan real quick. He's our radio host political commentator activists world traveller author lecturer and philosopher. I currently lives in New South Wales Australia. He's in Australia right now as a musician and artist and he's been experimenting with Computer Art Cope Most of his time time these days is spent on the radio show video presentations research into government corruption and ancient history working on his next book and artwork when he can find the time you can find the Crow House the Crow Zero House Dot Com the Crow House Dot Com and he has a popular very popular gazillions of followers subscribers to his youtube channel that the man doesn't like and if they don't like you.
"new south wales" Discussed on The Bobby Bones Show
"Yeah. And I bought girl scout cookies from Honey, boo. Boo. One time online online and we wanted to supporter. Yeah. Good for you me, and mama June got into it. Because I thought they stole my money because it took like a month for me get the cookies and so to Twitter Twitter beef, and she put all my personal information out on Facebook. And. Got you. You start finding mama June. June on my look it's a scam. They don't really give you because it took over a month for my cookies to arrive. And so she heard me talk about it or salt on Twitter, and she went on their personal Facebook page where they have hundreds of thousands of people that follow them. And she wrote all my personal information out there. What does that mean your personal your real name address phone number on that? All out there. Great this idiot thinks he can go on their spread false. Rumors about me, and my family, we when you buy from for us. You get the cookies as you wrote a long pose. And I was like oh my gosh. Had just got the cookies. So me June got into it. I keep you posted your home address. Yes. How long ago was this? This is five years. Yeah. I thought it was so exciting to buy cookies from Honey, boo, boo. And then it turns south because I thought they still my money, and then it went real south because mama June got mad at me. So how did you feel when you saw the story? I was let down I was shocked I- mama June. Seems like just a cool fund. Mom, like I didn't ever see her going down this route. But I guess that's what happens. I mean. Her boyfriend's been in trouble with the law in the past. And I don't know I a good news story to kind of wrap this up, please. This guy has phone say Ehrler tack his his cellphone who would tax people. They're an Australian man that's under. Under. John stopped an aero from hitting him as he came under attack in New South Wales. It someone had a bow shot into the phone. Oh, wow. So good that crazy. Yeah. There your wind on that attack. Attack. That's a positive moment June. She looks so sad in the back of the sheriff. Oh, you know, what's funny about the mama June stories? They have sheriffs truck with bars on it. That's pretty cool. Big truck lets your wrestler pretty cool truck. There's that. Jerry Lewis, fifth wife, dead sitting Nancy dead, Kurt cobaine. Also, Courtney love insane. Johnny cash. I turn abusive in XXX ten Pacione. Amy wine house completely off the rails. Disgrace land is a rock and roll true crime podcast about musicians getting away with murder behaving very badly. This hosted by me, Jake Brennan, I drew up in round rock and roll. In the one thing, I know to be absolutely true. Is that real Rockstars parties? Sane more like feral, nurses, animals functioning members of society in this is precisely what makes them so damn entertaining to pot big Marvin Gaye James Brown. John Lennon g Alan stones and the Hells Angels running security and a dead kid on the dance floor. These stories and more are all waiting for you in disgrace. Like listen to disgrace Santa the iheartradio.
"new south wales" Discussed on This Day in History Class
"The day was February fifteen seventeen ninety six. John Caesar who had the nickname black Caesar was shot dead. After escaping his settlement in Australia. Caesar was a Bush ranger. In fact, he's thought to be Australia's I wish ranger Bush. Rangers were convicts in outlaws who took to the Australian Bush to avoid capture and punishment. Not all of them were violent, but Bush Rangers did become known as bandits who robbed stage coaches and banks and killed people. Many people came to romanticize Bush Rangers for their rebellion and anti-authoritarian them, but Caesar only had a reputation for his theft and pinton for escaping his confines in the late seventeen seventy s English captain James, Cook, tarted eastern, Australia and claimed it for the British crown dubbing it New, South Wales. And soon after the British began colonizing New South Wales in January of seventeen eighty eight the first fleet that had left England. The previous year arrived at botany bay on the east coast of Australia. There are likely several reasons for the move. Britain's population was growing it's prisons couldn't accommodate everybody who was sentenced in America was no longer accepting transported criminals. And the land was prime real estate for Britain expand the empire set up a base in the region and claim the territory against other places that might cloth for that possession. Regardless of the motives behind the Conan's ation Britain sent eleven vessels in the first fleet, including fix transport that held hundreds of convicts the plan was to put the convicts to work on government farms. When the British realized that the land at botany bay wasn't sufficient for their plans, they moved north in a stabbing. A penal colony in port Texan at Sydney cove, John Blake Caesar was one of the convicts who were sent to New South Wales in the first fleet. Caesar's exact ancestry is it known. But it is known that Caesar was of African descent Caesar was possibly born in Madagascar or America as one historian notes, but he later moved to England and became a servant. In seventeen eighty six when he was somewhere around twenty two or twenty three years old John was charged with stealing money and sentenced to transportation or banishment. To a penal colony for seven years he was imprisoned on the ship. The Alexander and sent away to Australia in seventeen eighty seven. Caesar was described as a hard worker, but troublesome. And so we're many of the convicts who's lived in harsh conditions in a struggling colony among indigenous peoples who were not all welcoming of the British immigrants in their problems. In April of seventeen eighty nine. China was once again tried for theft at the criminal court. But this time he was sentenced to a life term of transportation that meant he was destined to live out the rest of his days in subjugation in Australia. So Caesar fled and took refuge in the Bush or as Lieutenant governor David Collins, put it at the time Caesar head quote, take into the woods with some provisions an iron pot in a soldier's musket, which he had found means to steal. Caesar was soon caught in sin to work at garden island in chains. But that wouldn't be his last getaway Caesar was a character for sure a fact make clear by contemporary descriptions of him Collins said the following about Caesar in his book an account of English colony in New South Wales. This man was always reputed, the hardest working convict in the country. His frame was muscular and will calculate it for hard labor. But in his intellects, he did not vary widely differ from a brute his appetite was ravenous for he could in any one day devour the full ration for two days to gratify this appetite. He was compelled to steal from others in all his thefts were directed to that purpose. He was such a rich in so indifferent about meeting death that he declared while inconvenient that. If he should be hanged Hewitt create a left before he was turned off by playing off some trick upon executioner. That same year fever was allowed to work without chains. And he escaped in a stolen canoe with a gun. He tried to make do in the Bush by robbing gardens threatening aborigines and taking their food, but the aborigines ended up spearing him and he returned to camp in early seventeen ninety in March Caesar was sent to Norfolk Island where he got land in hog the next year he was given one acre or nearly.
"new south wales" Discussed on Airplane Geeks Podcast
"Boy, I had a fantastic time. I couldn't have had more fun and met more wonderful people and had a better time commented afterwards, if I resigned to leave the US, I think I'll move to Australia v people were fabulous. It was great. So by the way, I flew Qantas on their seven forty seven and. And I was just such a great experience. I was in the premium economy section, which is you know, three down if you will from the boats, expensive and it worked out great. I had to empty seats next to me both ways I slept reasonably well in both directions and from jet lag standpoint. Yeah, I felt a little tired one day when I got there. But that was about it. So it was really pretty easy travel for thirteen and a half hour flight I did fly with the four different pilots and their aircraft for the Sears pilot proficiency event that was held there. In orange New South Wales about four hours drive west of Sydney, and after that, I spent a couple of days in Sydney with friends, and it just had a great time writing the ferries around the city looking at all the different sites that after that, I drove down two hours for two days about four hours south toward Pebble Beach, which is a national park and just kind of hung out and recuperated a little bit writing a lot of fun. But I gotta say I had. Invitations from multiple people saying here, come see me here. And I'll take you flying in my helicopter, come here. I'll take you flying in my pits come here. And you know, we'll go out on my boat. Just so many offers from really kind wonderful people that it it gave me the most possible favorable impression that that you could have. So I only saw just a tiny tiny tiny part of the country. But I'm anxious to go back there again sometime, but when I got back here, I found that the San Francisco Bay area as the worst air quality of anywhere in the world. And it's been that way for over a week. Now, I've only been back home now about four days, but for the weekend was gone. We've been running visibilities of three miles in less. In fact, at my home airport, visibility has not been better than two miles since I got back. It's been running one and a half to two miles, and that's just because of heavy particular matter from the campfire blowing into our area. Now, the campfire I haven't met. Should it? But I'm sure it's more than a hundred miles away a line of sight. But that's how have we the smoke is one hundred miles down wind of visibility is just absolutely awful. And I found a interesting resource mentioned to people if you go out to purple air dot com. So the color purple.
"new south wales" Discussed on Inside Supercars
"It's been a home run in two ways on the racetrack. Also, building our brand here in Australia at our business finish festival secondary. Is I thought. Which was. Before. Spider rice. And you can't really just look at the Las rice of the you have to look at it starts ends gossip. But from the rice treks across the strategy at he is inside super cos-. Workum during child circus's, Craig Valentine's as we hit into the Saint season funnel of the VIP to championship. It's going to be attorney weekend creek. It will be tiny. It's always great to see a championship come down to the wire. And just think if it can be exciting as the WAC was lost weekend up on the cuffs coast destination. New South Wales, we'll have had a very very profitable motorsport experience over the past two weeks in Dade and could it be something? You're like the two thousand seventeen them at Newcastle. I doubt that. With the Cps attended a great. We never year. But the J Ken Newcastle. Do it is is a huge question. I've I've got a feeling one way or the other. I think it's decided on Saturday in day in day. Well, it's been a fascinating built up to this rice is a whole bunch of things that are still not settled even though the 'nother weeks time. The season will be out of that. Obviously being built for the new year. But we've got whole bunch of different teams such as Winterbottom and ticket pricing safely invade draw the lineup Brooke who's obviously done. Very. Well. She fortunately, I think we've got air of his they've settled on their to van tone banking up for another season. You've got to the saints it Kelly racing. Kelly motorsport still to be finalized as well as branch houses driver. Of course, he's decided to step down. So there are a lot of things certainly still in the air. Yes. I don't know have that's all going to pan out. And we'll certainly see over the next couple of days. One man was speaking to lighter on in the show is Scott pie. And I know you've been doing the numbers there and he's had a season best finish. And. Yes. Sorry. He's gonna have heavies bass David season. Since he's been in. So because he's driven of course, was three for change in that time. But. Welcome choose or to full they walk enjoy Andretti. United have done a very good job. James, gordon? He's had some bad luck along the white. But Scott who sent me shown on a number of occasions, and you get again, the shot himself to a driver whose father will raise future coming up. So we're him Scott pie that a wonderful moment as a different world because he's not a full-time rice. Dr he's gonna Jan business. That'll be interesting on Moore about the other interesting thing about this weekend is it's the last hurrah for the falcon tiny, and it's had a interesting existence. Of course for a while. They didn't say a falcon on a trick strain Jerry catch championship because you could get a Mustang or a Sierra do a much better job much cheaper for you. Well, fortunately, that's case lost twenty years. But now with the falcon coming up being produced in this country. It certainly is leaning towards where we're buying an imported Commodore and you can go buy a big Ford. You've got to buy small forward you want to sit and we buy Mustang, and certainly that's going to be fantastic because is enormous amount of development being happening with the Mustang with plenty of drivers jumping out and having a panel, which leads to TCI there's lots of developments in that category as well. Yes, the launch at Eastern Creek. We saw that along with the Superfly thousands to I should mention of the super five thousand and Chaz Mostert in getting some lexin. They're one of the quotes that I took a lot of white from his they're actually quite comparable to a JT three in terms of Dr a set of section that is a a huge statement in mon- line that could. See an interesting an interesting opportunity there for drivers who want to have that experience. But don't have the JT three budget James Moffet was in a Honda Civic, which David Wohl racing had worked on some of the preparations for it. You look you'll was driving in the Volvo..
"new south wales" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"You go underground, you could be travelling to six kilometers from the bottom. So usually when you could Dona main you will get on a train underground trains. Teague? If about half earning walking for twenty minutes to half, not actually get the goldfish. And if this had been one hundred years ago conditions for that mine, and we just heard would have been considered luxurious. Hello, I'm Roger data and welcome to the forum where experts share their knowledge with us in today's program. We'll be looking at coal and those who dig for it this humble black rock that has led hundreds of thousands of miners to risk their lives in the cause of fuelling industrial revolutions and powering empires. And whilst this lump of energy has been the catalyst for unprecedented, wealth and material comfort. It's also brought devastating pollution and scarred. Landscapes joining me to discuss the history of coal and its legacy are from South Africa. Don't of Mattew from Gibbs university of Pretoria in Johannesburg. Dr schilling Xiaowu, a specialist on China and author of empires of coal, the American environmental lawyer Barbara freeze who's written coal a human history and Darren count the manager of Kent mining. Museum in southeast England. Welcome all. And now you each represent four countries that have been hugely involved in the coal trade briefly. Let me ask you all how his cO shaped the destiny of your own country. Darren how about the UK I think you compare coal back in the day as the same as uranium and plutonium now it should actively. It was that the wonder fuel of his age. And if you go back three four hundred years, the UK was probably the the seat of technology and developing the use of coal, you're right. The way through to the eighteen fifties nine thousand nine hundred and exporting that technology around the world as well and its peak in the early twentieth century, we're talking about huge amount of coal coming up in this country, yet ninety nine hundred thirteen two hundred ninety two million tons of coal and about a third of that cold actually been exported around the world as well. And Barbara give me a couple of examples of the difference coal is made to the USA. Well, coal certainly made an enormous impact on the United States. It brought about our industrial development at a time when we were a very young country without many institutions actually built. So it had a huge effect in shaping our corporate structures, our labor structures, and it played a major role, for example in the north winning the civil war. How did they do that? It did that because the north really was the seat of industrial production and the north had something like a thirty eight to one advantage over the south in coal production that meant it could have more factories produce more iron produce, more guns and more railways, and obviously that played a major role in winning the war and chilling. Tell me how is Cole connected to Chinese history and culture Chinese have mind call for several thousand years, but in the last century the possession of. Large deposits of coal really field. China's rise in the recent decades is rise as an economic superpower. So that today China uses more coal than the rest of the countries in the world combined and of South Africa is a big producer of coal. How how's it affected your country? I the Corby produce twenty five percent is exported. That's great developmentally. Now, our DP, and we have got a lot of poor people in this country who depend on Roku for cooking and heating the pace that is something which if there's no coed don't know how these people survive, and we only have coins Africa. We don't have co in many other. Parts of the continent. And it has been the unique. And I believe that even today South Africa has the biggest export terminal for coal in the world. Yes, we have the biggest called, Tom. No. At least as vehicle and we are getting crews followed out by the protocol Newcastle in New South, Wales, straight it. Okay. Well, let's take a closer look at this black stuff. What is coal exactly? And how's it formed? Barbara told me not because it can arrived in cool the carbon different age, and that was the time when vegetation came onto land in and gave the planet millions of years of stored energy. Yes, the carbon Niffer was hundreds of millions of years ago. It was a time when there were some lush forests finally covering the continents. And it was also a time where geologic forces had not lifted up the land, very high. So as for example, the polar ice caps. Melted. Or we froze and there were climate changes way back then water would step forward and cover the forests and then retreat again in the forest would would March forward again in the course of that process. These forests would be buried by water and sediment, and so the natural processes of decay did not occur. So all of the carbon that those forests had absorbed as they grew and all of the energy that they had absorbed from the sun ended up getting buried and slowly slowly compressed and turning into Pete. And then to various forms of coal, some call has been produced since then, but that was the era when most of it was produced now, I'm actually holding a piece of cola here in my hand, needless to say, it's actually dirty. My my hand ready, but it is kind of beautiful in its own special way. And there are different types on their this piece is from a former coalfield in Newcastle in the northeast of England. Darren just explained to me what I've got here and the different kinds of coal that also exist. What you've got what looks like bitchiness co. So that's what we'd core a middling coal. So would use that for producing coal gas for coking for other industrial processes for heating. But then you've got the the much harder the anthracite coal, which are really dense. They're really actually really hard to light. But the ironic thing about anthracite coal once you've got it burning. You have a difficulty putting out, and there's many stories of coal forest, particularly in American Barbara could probably pick up on that places like Centralia, which is a very famous case where these coalfires of bone for years and abandoned towns, and then we've got the very the younger coaster the lick nights, the Brown coals, and that's the sort of coal they produce in Poland, for instance, as well. So it's a very very dirty coal actually will the anthracite scribble come into play later on when we talk about the USA. You're right. We know Barbara that Cole was formed in our pre. Prehistoric past. But what are the first recorded uses of coal by humans. Well surprise. It will be one of the earliest uses and this was in ancient China some six thousand years ago, or so was carving. They found the call to be very beautiful, and there's evidence some archaeologists have found something they called Neolithic ear piercing ornaments. And so they were carving the coal. They were wearing the coal. And this also happened in Britain during the Roman era. Call became famous and was written about by the Romans as something that could be carved into jewelry. An interesting about where you believe it was cold that made China a superpower as early as the eleventh century. Yes, there was a an amazing period of a kind of military industrialization that took place in ancient China about a thousand years ago. China had already been very advanced in its iron production and about a thousand years ago, they figured out how they could use coal to produce iron, which was a little tricky. But they they did figure it out. And at the time they were fighting off invaders horseback riding invaders, and and they militarize to the extent that they would have thousands of workers producing with iron, and with coal thousands of spears and swords and shields something even called horse decapitating swords. So it was a pulse of industrialization made possible by coal, and in now since China, I suppose was way ahead of what Britain achieved several centuries. Later, and we'll come to that in a second. But just staying with China in the seventeenth century their commanding was so prevalent, it even made its way into the writing of the time is that right? So this is a scholar named Sony. Shing he was born in the late sixteenth century. And unlike many of the scholars of the time he also paid acute attention to many of the crafts that he saw in his travels observing the uses of call in various crafts for on porcelain making to metallurgy, and he also described various methods of coal mining, including the uses of bamboo pipes to pipe out poison gas into us s ventilation in coal mines now by this time Darren seventeenth century. It wasn't just China using coal. Tell me why countries would were turning to it to us for fuel. We've got a whole series of things going on during the Cromwell in peer too. That's the period in British history where you've got the civil war, and there's a predominance of charcoal law the sort of the. Biproduct of charcoal burning from timber is used for metalworking for I'm production, and that's a really precious resource. The woods would disappearing so quickly in the south of Britain that there was an act of pollen stopping them from doing this because there wasn't enough which to build warships anymore. So there's this going on. And then also you've got in the middle of Britain playschool, coal brookdale, the Darby start experimenting with colza means of producing all in as well. So there's a whole series of different socio economic and industrial things happening at the same time in different pressures pushing everyone towards coop pointed only really been the northeast of Britain where they've been a lot of co exported, but we're not just talking about right now we were talking about other parts of the world other parts of Europe. Oh, yes. Because of the forest depletion. Yes. The early coalfields in northern France in Belgium, they slowly start develop Germany as well. Because there's a realization gradually that there's. Colin Mambi belts across northern and western Europe. So they start to work on idea. Well, let's look at the UK which is associated with the dramatic technological developments. Brought about by coal from the eighteenth century onwards. And Cole was transforming cities from Newcastle to London to Manchester..
"new south wales" Discussed on Monocle 24: Midori House
"For example, only in the last Dale to the prime minister of Kosova has decided not to travel to the Serb anklet. They've in Bosnia for a conference because the leader of that half state of the Serb enclaves said, you would not be welcome here. I cannot guarantee your scar in danger. Of losing every listener. This point. This is this is one of the problems with Balkan disputes. They are immensely complex and they all totally incomprehensible to anybody who lives outside the region. It doesn't mean that they don't matter to the people who live there to return to this particular dispute. How angry are the payer review about the ongoing impudent existence of a place called New England. It's taken a while to get used to the idea, but I just there's just this whole bunch of Americans without so much as a by your leave insist. They live in a place called New England. They've even got a football to this day. I still think the rebels, but. The country further away, which has a worrying number of English names that it's claimed for citizens owns South Wales. Well, this is exactly my point as a native son of New South Wales myself. I am not aware that AllState has ever received a single complaint from the people of South Wales. If you were right next to the fine people of South Wales might be different. The implication is they are owed South Wales and we know nobody wants to be owed southwards you raise you raise a slightly serious point, but I think what we're all missing is the ethnic dimension. There is a very strong ethnic quays. I religious dimension to the disputes in the Balkans and that my my only perspective on it is a brilliant politician. Tito was to hold this lot together. Is is, is the just a final thought on this roll benistead seriously though, a reputational aspect for Greece here because this this tells tend to make Greece appears somewhat. I don't know petty. We could see well, the the, the Greek government I think would love to move on from this. I mean, as you suggest, they got one or two other problems on their plate, and they would love to be regarded once again as a serious country into series member of the European Union. If they can get this done and the Gaumont at least thinks it has got a formula can live within. They can move on. There are some Greeks in in the Greek region of Macedonia, and there are some Macedonians in north Macedonia who don't like the deal. We will see whether their governments convince them. Otherwise, we'll finally tonight to New York City. Very thousand p that little has been learned about encouraging. People were the notoriety principally to starring in dreadful television programs to stand for public office. Cynthia Nixon alumnus of sex, and the city is challenging governor Andrew Cuomo for the democratic party's gubernatorial nomination in a primary on I and I thank her at least for that'll put unity to say gubernatorial on air..
"new south wales" Discussed on The Science Show
"Professor. Darren Kono is a paleo anthropologist from the university of New South Wales. We join him on the hunt for human fossils in the Borneo rainforest. Human. Amazing place that we've been working at court, the caves, some of the largest as in southeast Asia, the biggest one, the cycle, west mouth in this massive complex is so big that you can fit for jumbo jet since almost. And it's a place where people been going for a long time today. You have local non men who climb up these bamboo poles and click the business business traded across southeast Asia. The traditional made Senate almost half of making soup and for restaurants. It's also one of the most iconic archaeological sites in south East Asia. I guess they most famous discovery was human scou- could the deep scowl which has been daily to about thirty five thousand years old until very recently provided the earliest physical evidence that we had for the earliest modern humans from Auburn, south East Asia, the deep scar fossil was on earth in the nineteen fifties. They have been other teams that have gone in reinvestigated view. Early pioneering work done by Tom and Barbara Harrison, but house really do market new Faye. Phase in the history of NIA and the first paleolithic digs that are being done in the cave in fifty years after leaving Africa modern humans sprayed across the globe, but fossils have only been found at a handful of sites in southeast Asia as of last year. There's a study from Indonesia that suggests that people like us, modern humans. I arrived perhaps spoon about sixty and seventy thousand years ago. So these are the ancestors of the indigenous people across south East Asia and Australia, New Guinea's world. One of the big questions for internationally is who were the first humans to live in an environment like rainforests rainforest, surprisingly challenging places for togethers to presently. We have only one site that provides any information for about this very murky period of history and try this cave is a site that offers us that potential to provide new information about this very important chapter. Now. Evolutionary history at the same time. Modern humans may have been moving through the region. There was a major volcanic eruption on the Indonesian island of Sumatra just seventeen hundred kilometers to the west of Barnea just before the time that more than humans get into southeast Asia. We have the largest volcanic eruption that's happened on the planet in the last two million years. This is the so-called Tober super option. It happened about seventy four thousand years ago. The massive explosion showered the globe in Ashish today. The eruption is marked by lake toba in North Sumatra if they were people living in the area at the time, including at NIA caves that they would have been dramatically affected by this super option that actually probably plans the planet into a nuclear winter that may of last month's peps longer. It's been for a long time that in a way, the super option laid the foundation for more than humans to come in after that, then. It kind of like put the Bruins through the neighborhood if you like an got rid of many of the, there are cake. Humans living, they got rid of them. So one of the things that we obviously looking forward and try to save his evidence for the super option and trying to find evidence of whether humans were there before. And of course, we certainly do have evidence for them thereafter. This massive event. Professor Curnow is co leading the excavation in Borneo with members of the Sarah walk museum. Our approach is always going much to work with locals. And in fact, we have a joint team with a Sarut museum where we work together. We run the project. We dig together each day just after sunrise. The team said off for the cave..
"new south wales" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Briefing
"The glorious reign just never comes femme is a saying, this is the worst drought in living memory in New South Wales and Queensland ninety percent of New South Wales and two-thirds of Queensland went out drought and pastas attorney to rebel, fizzle these horrific photographs of livestock with the bone sticking through the skin, and the cost of feed is skyrocketing. So these farmers is sort of saying they're facing ruin and they want recognition, especially from the richest areas where people maybe don't realize what's happening out in the countryside and what imagines it's incumbent on politicians, of course to show some leadership after Necker choice for not having plans to prepare for this and ludicrously almost some frontline and leading politicians in Australia actually sidetracked with frankly, ridiculous story. Well, they should be they're always on the big picture because he's very serious as you said, Malcolm Turnbull. He's still attracting some negative headlines. Full story. Some so ridiculous. Well, maybe remind us about remind us about the origins of this one. Well, this is cold hashtag pie gate, of course. And and Malcolm Turnbull. The Australian Prime minister is falling in a long tradition of world leaders who are have embarrassed themselves with the way they eat food that solves see President Trump eighteen KFC with a knife and fork. There's admitted bans clumsy attempt to eat a bacon sandwich in two thousand fourteen which made headlines and now Turnbull was court or overall, but he put it on his own Instagram account as short video of him eating a pie, a meat pie, which is really considered a national additional strata with a knife and fork, which sort of led to total ridicule on social media and above all sort of claims that it was very Unal stray Lian at a little bit snobby to eat to each through pie. Is tricky. I'm in a small pork pie for long. I'd have. I'd have a crack at one of those just him, but if it was a big old pie. The pastry? Yeah, I would that with great gravy point out. Yeah. I mean that people on social media who have countries defense said, actually, you can enjoy applied any any way you can. There was an Australian radio host suggested there's nothing wrong, but a right wing columnist tweeted back to him sane. He was unfolded, blocked and reported for promoting on Australian activities. But this you mentioned this idea of snow breathe. That is a bigger picture, isn't it? So many politicians is not just in Australia, but they're sort of damned if they do, and they that turned if they, if they don't tumbles, never going to be seen as one of us by a sort of a large working class demographic is simply not going to happen. Absolutely. Internal is extremely wealthy him and his wife Lucy, it worth an estimated two hundred million dollars. He had a very successful business career before entering politics. He has an enormous house on right on the harbor. Sydney's harbour with views overlooking the water which is in Sydney's most expensive suburb. So I think what this really see what the headlines really about is people fleeing a little bit uncomfortable with this prime minister who so wealthy. And I think that was sort of Sunda rather wonderfully. By the northern territory newspaper the n. t. news which when he became prime minister said, quote, rich dude becomes PM north mostly put. So it's a silver spoon rather than Northgate. To keep it utensil focus. Let's talk a little bit about why. I guess he's kind of a hospitality story towards a finely, and this is quite interesting because one of the things I guess people worry about is the sort of a veracity of reviews and all the rest of it and a launch fine for manipulating hotel reviews. This is an intriguing. One isn't quite as zeitgeist story, I guess. Yeah, absolutely. So Meriden which is a massive Australian property group known for it, some service departments among other things today on the most read article on the guardian homepage, the guardian has a straight and homepage and Australian news team was ordered to pay three million dollars by the federal court. It's being found in breach of consumable, and that was because it means manipulating trip advisor reviews to be more in its favor. So what what it was doing was it was sending essentially defunct emails to trip advisors. When Trump advises sentence guests emails to prompt them for a view, they would just bounce back and it did this by inserting initials before the the Email, the Email address, which was NIS stunning American service departments originally hugely complex..
"new south wales" Discussed on The Science Show
"The jim bola was able to party to look at the side was in march nineteen sixty nine when he led a group of geologists so fantasy innocuous will andrew lakes region in far western new south wales they stayed in the sheer has sheds lake munger explored the genes during the day and debated ideas at night of lamb chops and flagons of wine the eulogists harry allen reece jones contain and jomo vini tantalized by the possible association of artifacts and extinct megaphone and they excitedly fuller jim to juma to investigate the charred bones the find was far more dramatic than they had imagined as they carefully investigated shattered bundle of buns after up to piece of human joba in an instant the scale of straining history changed in bowl words we will confronted not only with human activity but by the very presence of humanity itself the skeleton became affectionately known as munger lady her cremated remains had been buried in a small round hole on a sandy beach a few meters from the water's edge there she had remained for forty thousand years as a lake system dried and the camp with abandoned as a descendants moved to other parts of their country and as the rabbits and goats and farmers arrived jim bola hadn't stumbled across her remains in july nineteen sixty eight within a year all evidence of her life and death would have eroded into the wind fortuitous nature of her preservation and the influence of her discovery only straight in public has led traditional owners such as dorothy lawson to declare that she surfaced for a reason as monty monty elder mary pepin as often told jim bola you didn't find mungo lady she found you the gist quickly fighter graft andrew the features at the burial and collected the loose fragments they then made the decision to remove the bones they were sheep grazing on the net and thunderstorm with brewing the site was federal one downpour could sweep the bones away carefully cut and removed the disintegrating calculate books in which the bones was set and packed them in the only vessel available john mulvaney suitcase some of his close la returned as patting the following day they took munger lady to camera billy griffiths and here are two of those who were there archaeologists alan thorne and reece jones on dating and the significance of mungo what happens is that the iranian in the soil is dissolved then it enters the bone sometime after death and then it decays so you have thorium raid on all these other things so you measure the different daughter projects and that process has been going on since the beginning of the world is the best method of all but the amounts are so tiny i this is just minuscule amounts the miniaturization of all this so that's the problem is so that's getting any sort of age age estimate is a real coup technically what what they've done so anyway they've tried to do the uranium series plus this electron spin resonance which is trapped electron message on the teeth and boatswain give values of the same rough order so in a sense they've tried to address the problem jim raised may turn out that these remains are themselves the literally the earliest evidence for human prisons on the continent but what is interesting of course is that most of the early sites the to have been in the extreme north here we are in south western new south wales in the southeastern corner of a straighter so whatever these dates are they are very much minimum dates because obviously they didn't just race down from the north coast to turn up in the semiarid climates and environments of wish new south wales at the national university it took physical anthropologist ellen thorn over six months to excavate and reconstruct the hundreds of fragile bone fragments contained in the calgary books there were found to belong to a young adult female of slenda bill and small stature who had been burned on a pile by the lakeshore over forty thousand ease ago what was groundbreaking was that the remains unequivocally human shattering lingering nineteenth century something that bridge people had evolved from an earlier race of hominids the news of mungo lady spread quickly around the globe and was reported in their front page of the national newspapers the bones were at that time the oldest evidence of homo sapiens outside of africa the new had become the a few years later in february nineteen seventy four jim bola returned to.