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"Of their mother. Our man was an extraordinary athlete in high school, he lettered in baseball, basketball, football, and track and field. His older brother was a gifted runner who competed in the 1936 Olympics winning silver medal behind Jesse Owens gold. In college our man continued to make a name for himself, not only in sports, but to be one of the first students of color for a service organization, and he was the most valuable player of the year for his college in Southern California. However, our man had a hard time controlling his temper. When races of reared its ugly head are man reacted, while he had been taught by his mother that anger was not a way for him to answer this evil, it was the teaching of guidance of a methodist minister which helped him to understand that reacting in explosions of anger was not the reaction Jesus would section to confront racism. He learned that these injustices were better met with love and restraint. Our man rolled in UCLA with an offer to play football and run track. He helped the school win game after game and became the first UCLA athlete to letter in football, baseball basketball and track. Sounds like his high school, doesn't it? He didn't graduate, hoping to play professional football that happened when he signed on to a semi pro team in Hawaii, but he became disenchanted with the team and he missed his family, so he sailed for the mainland just two days before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The onset of World War II brought opportunities in two ways. First, he worked with Lockheed aircraft in Burbank, and secondly, he was inducted into the army of the segregated army. He passed the test for officer candidate school, but he was denied that opportunity until the famous boxer. Joe Lewis, who was stationed at the same base, used his connections to ultimately allow our man to become an officer. In 1944, there was an incident where our man resisted an illegal order to go to the back of an army bus that resulted in his arrest. A court martial followed, where he was charged with behaving disrespectfully toward his superior officer and disobedience of a lawful command. The court martial trial resulted in a not guilty verdict witnesses it testified to our man's character and the respect that he enjoyed by the men he worked with. After being discharged from the army, our man accepted an offer to play in the Negro national league baseball team, the Kansas City monarchs. He was also invited to teach physical education for a college, but changes were brewing for our men. In the world of baseball, the major leagues had a rigidly enforced rule against allowing black players on their teams. But there was a war in the sports pages about this rule, and whether major league baseball should be integrated in New York, a plot was brewing. The Brooklyn Dodgers general manager was trying to plot how to integrate the sport. This man, branch Ricky, was a devout Christian. He did not play or a tin games on Sundays, the lord's day, and he knew that integration of this sport would be tough, controversial, and he would need to proceed slowly and strategically. He was in a position to do something about this injustice and his faith demanded that he act. He started by sending scouts to the Negro league games on the pretense of starting a new Negro club, and from these scouting reports, he had selected several players for consideration, but one man stood out. Yeah, it was our guy. He was a very talented player. He was a college man and a veteran. He had experience playing with white players, and he was a follower of Jesus with a strong moral character, and, as we have seen, he has been tested in dealing with racism without blowing his top, letting his temper getting the best of him. This was crucial to the plan which Ricky had formed. If a man could be goaded into saying or reacting in a negative way, this would set the cause of integration of baseball back a number of years. Our man was brought to New York to meet with Ricky, without telling him the wife of the trip. As far as he knew, he would be playing on a new Negro league team. No Ricky said. That is a dit. You were brought here to play for the Brooklyn organization, perhaps on Montreal to start with and be, play for Montreal, says our man, if you can make it. Yes, later on, also if you can make it, you'll have a chance with the Brooklyn Dodgers. Now this was stunning news, a black man playing in a Major League Baseball team. What he was asking for was not just a great ball player, but a great ball player with a cool head and moral fortitude. What I don't know Ricky said is whether you have the guts. I'm looking for a ballplayer with the guts enough not to fight back. Ricky put our man to the test. He took off his coat and acted out the role of an offended Jim Crow, taking on several roles, including a foul mouthed player insulting his race, his parents and himself, a man would have to be able to withstand all of these abuses and not fight back, verbally or physically. In other words, he would have to turn the other cheek, just as Jesus prescribed. Ricky's vision was a moving one for our man. He was to break ground that would allow others of his race to follow in his footsteps as long as he didn't make a misstep. He was sure this mission was given to him by God. He had to do this for those who would follow him for his mother, his wife, and for himself. Ricky purchased a book entitled life of Christ for our man to reinforce the spiritual dimensions of this mission. Jesus description in Matthew 5 reads this way. You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury. An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say, do not resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also. If you're sued in court and you're sure that's taken from you, give your coat also. If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles. Now that sounds impossible, doesn't it? But it is possible with the help of Jehovah God through his Holy Spirit. Our man signs the contract to play for the Brooklyn organization. That includes a written agreement to remain calm in the face of abuse, as well as playing with Montreal. On October 23rd, 1945, our man's commitment to Montreal was announced to a stunned world, just getting to spring training in Daytona Beach, Florida, proved to be an ordeal as our man in his new wife endured the racism of canceled reservations and poor travel conditions. He wrote later, I had a bad few seconds, deciding whether I could continue to endure this humiliation, but he and his wife agreed that he had no right to lose his temper and jeopardize the chances of all the blacks who would follow. Our man excelled in his plague from Montreal and in his resistance to the race baiting insults that came his way. Montreal won the pennant that year, our man won the league's batting crowd. In the spring of 1947, our man was moved to the Brooklyn Dodgers. He was given his uniform, number 42, and with this you may have already guessed our man's. Identity. Starting out playing first base for the Dodgers, he was subjected to vicious verbal abuse from the opposing team, especially from the manager of the Philadelphia Phillies, but this had an unexpected effect. It galvanized his own Dodgers to his side. On the road, the racism continued, hotels and restaurants refused to serve our man, the letters containing death threats arrived, other team players kicked and hit our man, but he kept his temper under control. His performance didn't suffer. He was voted 1940 7s rookie of the year, and the next year, when racial epithets were being hurled for the stands in Cincinnati, one of his teammates put his arm around him in solidarity with him. The next year, other black players were signed into the league, and in 1949 he won the national league's MVP award. Ultimately, in 1955, the Dodgers win the World Series. Our band retired from baseball after that, he took a job with human resources for the chock full of nuts company, he began building low income housing through a construction company he formed, he crusaded against drugs a problem which was very personal to him. He was involved in the civil rights movement and became the first black analyst on ABC television. In 1962 he was voted into the baseball Hall of Fame and in 1999, he was posthumously named to Major League Baseball's all century team. Now, if you have a guest yet, our man is baseball great Jackie Robinson. Let me summarize with words from a short biography of Robinson written by Eric metaxas. Robertson did what he agreed to do when he met that day with branch, Ricky, and he changed the game forever. It was a singular feat of such great moral strength that all athletic strength must pale in comparison. With Jehovah God's help, one man lifted up a whole people and pulled a whole nation into the future. And he wrote a Jesus story for all of us to even write. Yeah.
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"In left field, not so much. I guess it's kind of the well, we gotta stick them somewhere and that's the least damage he could do unless we could teach him for space or something, which as we know for Moneyball is incredibly hard. So incredibly hard, Ben. Yes, it goes Chris Davis, wait a minute, Willie Calhoun? Christian Stewart? You're done Alvarez. Yeah. Dan Thomas, all of those guys, DH at some point. So the leader among people who only played left field and never D eighted is the immortal Napoleon hairston. Yeah, I guess of the famous hairstons. There are a lot of hair stints. I don't know if this hairston is related to the other hairston. It's actually, but Napoleon hairston, okay, Napoleon hairston was a Pittsburgh Crawford of the Negro leagues at the Negro national league. So if we wanted to keep it to only AL or NL, then it would be bunny roser who played a 1922, again, and these guys had fewer than 300 innings. So they're just aren't really a lot of left field lifers, which I guess is not that surprising, probably. Who do you think of when you think of left field defense, I guess I would think of Barry Bonds maybe and Barry Bonds, he played a 171 games in center, and he played one time in right fields. There are other great defensive left fielders, but they would have played something else at some point. All right, last position, then, is the other corner right field. And this goes to Harry lumley, who played, I think, in the turn of the 20th century, and he had 6029 innings in right field only. And then the gap is so big that the next highest total is say a Suzuki after one season, exclusively and right field for the cubs 905 and a third innings with a little DH ink. But Vince Barton, George Washington, Oscar Gonzalez, just notable that certain positions really have lifers and others do not. So really fun spreadsheet thanks to Ryan and Kenny for the help and we will put this on the show page. As always, and I will just read you the past blast. This is 1955. The episode and also the year that we are pulling this past blast from and it comes from Jacob Pam reki, who is sabers director of editorial content and chair of the black sex handle research committee. He writes 1955 head hugging hats. The idea that batters should wear some form of protective headwear has been around for more than a century, but it wasn't until 1955 that the major leagues finally got around to requiring hitters to wear a helmet at the plate. A series of high profile beatings, including Carl furillo of the Dodgers and Joe adcock of the braves, pushed nationally gunners to enact a rule requiring helmets after the 1955 season, but the rule was not without controversy, AL owners waited two and a half more years before finally making helmets mandatory in that league. Frank giannulli sports editor of the Arizona republic was one of many writers who tried to both sides, the question of helmets in this column from December 8th, 1955, quote the national league voted Tuesday to enforce batting helmets when men are at the plate. This could lead to the greatest session of mass nosediving in the history of baseball. Helmets are a great idea as skull insurance that give the batter a degree of safety and confidence. They also give the pitchers something to throw at. There's nothing so positive in loosening up a batter at the plate as a pitch zeroed in on his left nostril after a couple of belly flops trying to go for out of the way, a batter stands up there, shaky as Jell-O and three feet from the plate. Objectors to helmets have feared they would encourage pitchers to brush back hitters if they thought betters were fully protected. Joe adcock Milwaukee first baseman certainly is a disciple of safety. He still fondly displays a dented helmet. He credits with saving his life the day he was hit on the head in Brooklyn in 1954. I think Ricky had done some earlier helmet introduction and other people had experimented with it before it was adapted and required on a league wide level. Jacob concludes a few months later a batting helmet may have also saved the life of Don Zimmer. The Dodgers infielder who had already suffered a near fatal beaning in the minor leagues was hit in the head for a second time on June 23rd, 1956. He missed three months of the season with a concussion and fractured cheekbone, but Zimmer recovered and went on to a long career as a manager in coach over the next 50 years. And just it's one of those things that you figure how did they ever not do this? I mean, I guess everything has to be invented at some point and of course they didn't throw quite as hard in those days, but really should have had helmets probably required before 1955 people got hurt in some serious ways before that. But it was not, I think, an unreasonable caveat I think that the idea that pitchers would maybe be a little less wary of throwing in on guys if they felt they were more protected. There's something called the peltzman effect, which is, I think, specifically having to do with seat belts and cars, like if you have a seat belt, drivers will maybe be just riskier drivers because they feel more protected. So you'd like to have everyone think, okay, great, I'm safer now, but I will not actually take more risks. I'll just be safer, but people sort of subconsciously, people see the same thing with writers on bikes who have helmets, you know, might be more likely to have risky writing behavior because they figure my brains are a little less likely to get scrambled if something bad does happen here, which is sort of, I guess, but that is how the human psyche works. Yeah, although the human head also gets smacked around pretty good when it flies off a bicycle, so on balance. Probably. Oh yeah, definitely do. It's still absolutely worth
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"Record number of good rookies as well. But, you know, we talked about the difficulty of The Rookie of the year races with strider versus Harris and Richmond versus Julio. And it's not just those guys. It's a couple other guys in that mix as well. So historic prep of productive rookies. So enjoy it. Yeah, here I am being like, it's less exciting, but I don't know. If you're looking at it on the individual player level, what a time to get to be a baseball fan. It's a pretty, it's a pretty great time. So, you know, I think that we should, we should be excited about our time. We should just hope that the competitive picture can keep pace with the individual excitement that these players can bring because if it can, then watch out. You'll never want to do anything else just watch baseball. We've met so many major leaguers this year. It's a record number of debuts. I think it's 286 as we speak Thursday, have made their major league debuts this year, and that's up from the record of 268 last year, and we still have a couple of weeks to go in this season. And the records prior to less season was 2017 to 62. So two 86 and heading closer to 300 by the time it's all said and done. Gosh, that's a lot of new baseball players that sort of why we started the meeting major leaguer second. We probably have some good major leaguers we should meet and catch up on. Backlog. I wonder if this will be the high water mark for that because it's been really high for quite a while now and part of the reason why it's so high this year is because of the expanded rasters probably at the start of the season with the health and safety protocols at that point still. So I wonder whether this will be the most we ever see because assuming we don't have any more pandemics coming along hopefully fresh pandemics that will cause expanded rasters between that and between some of the other measures they've taken with limiting the number of pitchers ever so slightly on the active roster and then some of the other things with optioning players and how long you have to remain in the miners and that sort of thing and only expanding from 26 to 28 in September, et cetera. I wonder whether this will recede at all or at least plateaued. It's got a plateau. I wonder whether this will remain the record for some time. I kind of hope so, not that I want to borrow anyone from being a big leaguer, but it's just hard to know who everyone is. It's hard to keep track. Yeah, it can be a little disorienting. You're like, you turn on the TV and I'm like, I feel like I'm obligated to know who all of you are, like for my job. I should know, I should be able to look at all of you and be like, and I know these three things about you, and, you know, my hit rate isn't bad or anything, but I do feel like this year, I'm like, who are you again? No, it's like when you go to your high school reunion, you know, I'm like, we went to school together for four years. Who are you? Right. I just got an email from Major League Baseball about judge and the Red Sox Yankees game. So it says that there will be live coverage. Let's see what it says. National broadcast partners Fox Apple TV plus MLB network and ESPN all feature live game coverage from Yankee Stadium. All eyes will be on The Bronx, et cetera, et cetera, all four games will be available nationally across MLB's national broadcast partners, but it looks like it is still Apple TV plus on Friday. It does not look like that has changed. It's Thursday on Fox and then it's Friday on Apple TV plus and then it's Saturday on MLB network and then it's Sunday on ESPN. So four different places to watch or a judge over the next four games. Yeah, I mean, it's appointment viewing. And I think the cool thing is he's not likely as we've said, you know, to set the actual single season record, he's not gonna sniff that probably, but it's not impossible, so it'll still be exciting to watch even after he surpasses Maris because it could happen. You know, if he keeps a good pace, it could. It's not likely, but it could. So it's you know, it's exciting. 62 is a record, everything after 62 is also a recording. Right. Exactly. All right, I will close, I guess, with this stat I forgot to read from foolish baseball Bailey about Joey manassas. Players with 57 or more hits and ten or more homers in their first 43 career games since integration, the famous 57 ten club in their first 43. Really, the 57 ten 43 club that we talk about all the time. It's Orlando cepeda, Willie mccovey, Albert Pujols, Ryan brunn, Bo Bichette, and Joey menesis. Good company for those guys to be with Joey menesis in that club. I've got to read the past blast. Past black. This comes from Jacob I'm rinky. Editorial director of content for saber and black Sox expert and tweeter from at buck weaver, his personal account and also from at saber, the saber account. So this is episode 1906, past blast comes from 1906, and he's given me a little headlines for these. So this one is play me or pitch me or pay me. And he writes, like Shohei Ohtani, Johnny lush, of the Philadelphia Phillies, knew how it felt to be a two way player on a bad baseball team. On May 1st, 1906, the 20 year old left hander through the first of his two career no hitters, striking out 11 against the Brooklyn superbas. He also spent time playing first base and outfield in between his 35 starts, batting two 64 in 227 plate appearances. By the end of the year, lush was pretty tired and fed up with the Phillies as the Kentucky post reported on October 6th. The quote is another Philadelphia player who would like to get away from the team is Johnny lush, pitcher and general utility man. He is sore at the Philadelphia management because he hasn't been giving a cent extra for overtime work. He's done in the infield and outfield during the past two months. He was signed as a pitcher and all this time has been taking his regular turn in the box. He got no rest on the days between, but has covered some other position, generally first base center field, or right field. He feels that he ought to get something more than his pitcher's salary for all his work, but the management rules otherwise and Johnny wants to get away. Jacob says the Phillies finished in fourth place 45 and a half games behind the Chicago Cubs, who won a record one 16. Lush did get his wish to escape Philadelphia the next year, traded to St. Louis for pitcher buster Brown. He played out the rest of his 7 year career with the Cardinals, although he was never quite as good as he was in 1906. More than a century later, Johnny lush remains the last player in ale or NL history with 200 innings pitched 200 innings at other defensive positions and 200 at bats in a single season. The 202 102 hundred club. Hall of Famer bullet Rogan also performed the feat in the Negro national league twice. So Johnny lush, a somewhat significant two way player from 1906 and he argued that he deserved a race for being a two way player. He was hired as a pitcher and they were using him as something other than a pitcher as well. He's like, hey, pay me more money. Yeah. Which I guess is reasonable. You're doing more work. It's like I was a writer and now I'm an editor, so give me a raise. And the ringer did. Otherwise, I would probably be complaining like Johnny wesch. So I guess that Shohei Ohtani, maybe he should have just said I'll be a one way player. And then when he showed up, he's actually I'll do both, but you got to make it, you got to make it worth my while. I don't think that would have worked, but it will work when he is a free agent. Oh yeah. Somebody's going to back up a brinks truck. Yep. All right. Well, now I guess you can go blow in your nose and sneeze to your heart's content I can't wait. I'm gonna do some screaming sneezes. All right, that will do it for today. Seems like the Red Sox may have listened to our episode about not throwing her in judge so many strikes because they walked him in his first three plate appearances on Thursday.
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"Sorry it didn't feel like going. But in September of that year, the two best all black baseball teams decided to play a rematch of their own championship series from the year before. Saul white manager of the Philadelphia giants and also the first black baseball historian wrote about this postseason clash between his Phillies and the Cuban X giants from New York in his groundbreaking book, history of colored baseball published in 1907. Quote, the Phillies owing to dissension in the team in 1903 were far from satisfied with their defeat of that year and claimed that with the proper harmony in their ranks, they could turn the trick on their much hated rivals. This championship series consisted of three games, which were played in Atlantic City, both players and spectators were worked to the highest pitch of excitement, never in the annals of black baseball did two 9s fight for supremacy as these teams fought. Everything known to baseball was done by both 9s to win, but the Phillies by the nervous kind of ball playing and the best kind of pitching by foster won two out of three and the proud title of colored champions of the world. And that foster reference there as Jacob writes that was Andrew rube foster, a star 25 year old pitcher who signed with the Philadelphia giants after winning four games against them in the 1903 postseason while pitching for the Cuban exchange. He is far more famous today for his off field accomplishments as the founder of the Negro national league in 1920. Very cool. Yeah, I think we should bring back 9s also. I think we should bring back referring to teams by the same name. Just saying the chicagos or the Philadelphia or whatever. But also, I think we should bring back 9s. I like the 9s. I like the 9s too. I'm not as strong on the city name as the Seattle's. I'm not into that as much as you are, and it's fine that you are. It's not for me. But I do think that we need an infusion of verbiage to refer to squads to clubs to, you know, so and so's, 'cause sometimes you're editing a thing and you're like, oh gosh, we've said this word so many times. And it's not anyone's fault. It's just the English language only has so many words, so let's redeploy some oldies, but goodies. Yes, please. All right, that will do it for today. And for this week. Okay, a couple of quick follow-ups from last time first in the past blast from episode 1903. There was a story that featured a town I kept calling willmar, Minnesota. Well, I've been reliably informed that it is pronounced Wilmer, Minnesota, apologies to our Wilmer listeners, my bad, obviously, who else is bad would it be? Eh, maybe Wilmer bears part of the blame for spelling it with an a instead of an E secondly, listener and Patreon supporter cold coffee, or at least that's what they go by in the Discord group, raised an interesting question related to the stat blast from that episode, which as you'll recall, was about Shohei Ohtani in the fact that it seems that he has hit worse and maybe just does hit worse on days when he's pitching. We theorized about why that might be? Is it mental fatigue? Is it physical fatigue? Is it both? Well, cold coffee wondered what the implications of that are for pitcher hitting in general. Could it be that pitchers were so bad at hitting all along partly because they were two way players on the days when they hit and pitched, not by training, but that's the job that they were asked to do. Could it be that they were just distracted as Otani is? And as he perhaps suffers some offensive penalty on the days when he pitches, so did pictures themselves all along. And maybe we just never knew because they were not hitting on days when they didn't pitch. So we couldn't see that they would actually be better on those days. It's an interesting idea. That obviously wasn't why pitchers were bad at hitting. There were many, many reasons why they were bad at hitting, and even if you took away some offensive penalty for doing double duty, they would still have been awful and probably unplayable as hitters. I mean, obviously they weren't selected for their hitting ability, and they didn't spend much time training for hitting many of them didn't have much prior experience hitting. This is really why they were bad, but maybe there was some two way penalty baked in there all along. I could buy that that wouldn't apply to other pitchers, maybe because they were so ill equipped to hit much more so than Otani. It was even more stressful for them to do it, even more distracting, or maybe because they probably didn't prepare to hit on that day as much as Otani did. They were not subjected to the same string. Could go either way. You made me think cold coffee. Anyway, maybe we'll never know for sure, but that's okay because we'd have to bring back picture hitting to find out. I can't say that at any point this season I have lamented the fact
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"Now it took another 5 years before we get our first major grant a grant of $50,000 from the National Park Service. It was one of the earliest African American civil rights grants they made, and that allowed the city of hamtramck to hire a architectural firm that did a historic structures report, and there they go in there and look at every board and every nail in every brick and figure out where it came from. What is condition is, how it should be rehabilitated. That's the phrase they use. And what the cost might be. And that provided us a road map and then two years later we raised a $115,000, including a $50,000 grant from the Michigan economic development corporation to restore the field, which we did in 2020. Of course, the pandemic put everything on a different timeline than we expected. Sure. We restored the field and asked the city to let us name it turkey Stearns field, which they did. So it is officially Norman turkey stern's field at hamtramck stadium. And we started doing programming. Previous to that, people played on mown lawn with weeds all over the base paths and pitcher's mound that was barely distinguishable from the grass. Although people played there in 2019, we had Jack White and his worst deck bat company crew, which is co owned by Ian kinsley, a former tigers and rangers player, play at what they call a sandlock game there against some of our local local joes and janes, Vanessa, ivy rose, turkey stern's granddaughter, played center field in that game. It was very sweet. It had a very moving and Jack and war stick donated while ultimately $40,000 to us before and after that game. So that was another big help both for publicity and for funding. And then we restored the field in 2020 and then Wayne county, Michigan, got involved. And they persuaded the Detroit tigers foundation to make a $410,000 grant. They got a second grant from the National Park Service African American civil rights fund for 490,000, and then we were off to the races. We got I think about 800,000. I was fighting from the Ralph Wilson foundation. Which is focused on southeast Michigan and western New York State because he was a longtime owner of the Buffalo Bills, but he was a Detroit native until he died. And we also got a couple 100,000 from the kresge foundation. That plus the pandemic plus a bunch of construction delays and weather delays meant the ballpark wasn't ready to be used. The grandstand until about June 16th, a four days before our big event, and by the way, you said it was the day after Juneteenth, which is true, but it's actually a federal Juneteenth holiday was on Monday. So we called it a Juneteenth event. The historical data of the 19th, but of course we're fond of making holidays into three day weekends. So the federal government designated the 20th as a holiday. And we had a rededication ceremony, which Ron spoke at, as well as any number of other people. And then we had a Negro leagues tribute game, two high school age teams, one from Chicago and RBI team from Chicago that was coached by one of double duty Radcliffe's descendants and the Detroit stars team. We had them dressed up in replica, legally uniforms, you know, they're not the authentic heavy wolf flannels. What we did research into the logos and the lettering and the colors and the team from Detroit was African American high school prospects, mostly underclassmen, and they played on the field as a tribute to Ron teasley, and I'm happy to say that it had some effect. I just learned from the family last week that Ron is going to be given a treasure award from the Michigan sports Hall of Fame this year. And given that Ron's been around for a while and I as well as others have talked to them about putting him in the Hall of Fame, I have to think that our tribute game pushed them over the line. So that's great. And can you tell us a little bit about the history of hamtramck stadium? Just when it was built, who played there, how long, et cetera? Sure, I'll try to give you the two to three minute version because I just yesterday spoke a half hour on it. The woman who was guiding the tour said, I said, how much time do I have when I got done speaking? He said, as much time as you want, I said, my wife would tell you, never to say that. I could be, you would miss dinner if he gave me that much time. And this was that before noon at the grandstand. I'm trying to say it was built in 1930 for the Detroit stars Negro league team, but it tried stars founded 1919, one year before the Negro national league, they were charter members of the Negro national league in 1920 from 1919 to 1929 they played in a park on the east side of trike called Mac park, which is really a big venue for semi pro baseball and semi pro football, but they also did soccer and boxing and you name it there. Back in those days, outdoor boxing in the summertime was really a big deal and there were of course boxing clubs, fight clubs all over town. So you had a lot of boxing outdoors. In 1929, there was a disastrous fire in July and the local neighbors white people racist banded together to petition city council and hiring attorney to prevent the Detroit stars from rebuilding the grandstand that had burned down. The park actually was still usable. Many historical sources say an accurately that it burned down, but one out of three grandstands burned down. There was also bleacher seating, and within three days they had bulldozed the wreckage, put in some temporary seating, and they played a double header against a Kansas City monarchs three days after the fire. But in order to get permission from the city to continue using the site because they wouldn't let him rebuild the grandstand the Detroit stars owner agreed to leave the neighborhood at the end of the year. So they were chased out of the east side of Detroit by intolerant white people, and they landed in hamtramck, which is a small city at then, probably about 40 to 50,000 people now about 27, 28,000, completely enclosed by the city of Detroit, but it is a separate city, home
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"Semi pro teams. But that's what he had available to him at the time, and he made a career out of it. He was absolutely famous. So I think that while he may not have been on the quality of some of the other candidates we could be looking at, like, if he had been a major Negro league player from the very start. But I think what he did is still very much hall worthy. I think Vic Harris is he missed by two votes. I think he's just kind of an obvious one. The more you look at it because as a manager, he now is the top major league manager outside the Hall of Fame and winning percentage penance playoff appearances and all that. Plus, he was a very good player. So I think that if you look at his stats through Eric shellac ME's, they have him as about a 40 war player. So which is a solid player if you had a very, very good Hall of Fame managerial career on top of that. Tubby scales is another one. He had like a 20 year Negro major league career at second base with a 147 OPS plus. These are really good players that we have outside the hall still. And then home run Johnson played started in the 1890s actually with bud Fowler on the page fence giants, and just had a very long career. I see him as a very similar player to Alan tremel or is a great hitter for shortstop good defender long career, also played some second base later in his career. And cannonball dick reading, I think, was one of the very best pitchers outside of smoky Joe Williams before the Negro national league was founded. So I think they were all tremendous candidates. I think there's still many, many more that haven't been considered yet on this ballot. My favorite four, I keep mentioning or dick lundy, John beckwith, those two, I was shocked to not see on the ballot to be completely honest because they actually have a lot of momentum. Oscar heavy Johnson, though, is another one that I really like. And one was an interesting short career player who started his career playing in the military in Hawaii, but then came over and was an absolutely amazing shortstop for the monarchs for a few years before, unfortunately his career was cut short when he was shot. That's Adobe more. Just a lot of great players, a lot of great stories. So yeah, there will be many, many more interesting ballots to come out of the Negro league candidates as well. And I think we've got a couple dozen Hall of Famers here still. Yeah, and I know rap Dixon gets mentioned a lot. He has a bunch of boosters. I'm sure that we will get into all of them and maybe others next week with 42 for 21. And just looking at even the non Negro leagues players on the early baseball era ballot, there's still some kind of confounding results there like ally Reynolds getting 6 votes and Bill dalin getting fewer than three, which is kind of confounding perplexing incredibly Reynolds has been on the ballot a billion times, right? And he's still getting some level of support, but seemingly he has had his hearing and it's hard to see how he still has significantly more support than that one does if you look at the stats at least. I think that ballot had 9 Hall of Famers. No offense to ally Reynolds, but I think there are non Hall of Famers on there. What would you do about this process, not just opening it up to more candidates and also having more frequent voting, but just mathematically speaking, it's so hard to get anyone elected and you alluded to this earlier, which I really didn't appreciate until Joe pes natsuki pointed it out several times, but you really have to have all the stars aligned or some kind of collusion among the voters. If you actually want to get people elected and I don't know whether that's intentional because they think it's a feature, not a bug, that they don't want too many players to get on from these ballots because they figure if they're on there, maybe they're bordering candidates to begin with or something or whether they just didn't really realize the implication of you only have this many votes to go around. And so it's just really, really hard to get a lot of players in. So it seems like even if you were to say it's every ten years and you have the same number of players on the ballot, there must be some sort of process improvement that you could come up with. Could it not just be a yes, no vote on everyone? I mean, could it not just work the way the ppw a ballot does or more like that where if 75% of people say yes, then it's a Hall of Famer? Yeah, I don't think.
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"negro national league" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Greg funding and and more important sore. Says he probably divined from my music choices today. I like a lot of other music. Fans have been lamenting the loss of rolling stones drummer. Charlie watts who died at eighty. This week i love the stones. Of course but i was also just drawn to watts for a few reasons. I think for one thing. He never got driver's license. Just like me so sort of a kindred spirit but i also think i have a soft spot for people who break the mold a bit. Don't look like all the others have never really felt like someone who belongs to things as watt said. He never filled the stereotype of the rockstar. And of course he was extremely important to the stone sound but he never led their lifestyle or really had their look although he was quite a snappy dresser and a cool cat i always enjoyed when watching the stones live either on video or a few times in person you'd see what sitting behind mick jagger who's princeton strutting around the epitome of the flamboyant frontman. Then you'd see. Charlie watts perched right behind him looking like he'd dropped in from some other much more restrained band or another profession in different social circle in seeming. Very blase about it sometimes. Maybe even making a roof face as if wondering how he got there. He was never very enthused about touring. And so i'll admire the mix. And keith's i sorta see more myself in the charlie's maybe that's why when i was a yankees fan bernie williams was my guy not really your usual jock amore. Soft spoken gentle soul and jazz guy. Just like watts was and also like watts was kind of content to be in the background pit and maybe even not to be included in that quote unquote core for even though he was just as integral to the yankees offenses watts was to the students. Rhythm section watts was always himself he led his hair go white while so. Many of the rockstars tried to maintain some of the appearance of youth. Even during the band's heyday he was sort of the eye of the rolling stones storm and everyone jokes about keith richards. Outliving everyone but i always sorta suspected it would be what even though he slightly older he had to figure. There was a lot less mileage on his odometer. So that's part of why. I was sorry to see him go. Also the stones are such an institution and during my lifetime their longevity has been such a big part of their brand that it was kind of a shock to learn that. Actually they can't keep going forever. And even the drummer of the energizer. Bunny of bands can't keep the beat indefinitely and not for the reasons that brian jones couldn't but just because of old age infirmity which comes for us all now because this is a baseball podcast. I figured i should tie this little tribute into baseball. Watts never missed a rolling stones concert after he joined the band. He was an iron man and appropriately. He was born on the day. That lou gehrig died and he died on cal. Ripken's birthday beyond that. Though i was just talking to a somewhat obscure major leaguer we just met a major leaguer john path and as i said to him there's been more of an effort lately to get to know some of the lesser known players of the negro leagues and one such player who recently received major league status from an lpn at baseball reference. Is a man named charlie watts. Charlie watts played in the negro national league from nineteen twenty four to nineteen twenty seven mostly for the saint louis stars and as it happens. Estonians are slated to play their first post watts concert in saint louis of all places. Now i hope charlie watts drummer would have appreciated. Charlie bots the baseball player because back in two thousand fifteen. The day after the stones played kansas city. Charlie watts visited the american jazz museum and the negro leagues baseball museum. Making keith did not attend now. The more recent charlie. Watts probably would not have seen anything about the older. Charlie watts on display in the museum and in fact not much is known about the baseball charlie. Watts this is one of the tragedies of the fact that the negro leagues were overlooked for so long. There's generally ample information available about any twentieth century player in the white major leagues. You can look up the sabre bio of john path. And it's thousands of words long but a player like charlie watts mostly a mystery. Of course we know the josh gibson's in the central pages but the more marginal players. I think that's where the difference in name recognition and just in general knowledge is stark. So if you go to charlie watts as baseball reference page you can see his stats. Courtesy of seam heads who is not much of a hitter six eleven oh s in the games that were recorded although he did have a fine offensive season in one thousand nine hundred and five for the stars he hit two thousand eight three eighty three or four sixty eight in fifty four games. It's known that he threw right handed. But it is not known whether he batted right or left who is an infielder. He played first second short but his birthday is not listed either. I wanted to find out a little bit more about him. And so i emailed a few negro leagues researchers and they and i scoured some archives. And it's tough to find much. Maybe if you were to dig into the microfilm in a library somewhere you could come up with more. But more cursory search at slim pickens in fact if you look on newspapers dot com. There's really nothing there. When reference we found actually uses the wrong name for charlie watson. Qasim eddie watts. There is some confusion about the name but it does note that he was fast at fielding a ground ball and had a great throwing arm. however i do have a fine photo that gary ashville sent me and a link to that on the show page. It shows charlie watts sending next to the hall of famer willie wells. He has his glove on his left. Hand and gary did some more digging. Found some records of a charlie watts. Say charles austin watts who was born in benton missouri on october eighth eight ninety seven of. There's even some disagreement about that date. We don't know for sure that. That's the same charlie watts but it would seem to match up and it was sim as five foot. Six one fifty. Which seems to match the photo of watts that we have standing next to wells who is five nine one. Seventy and some further digging revealed. That watts was a favourite or a protege of candy. Jim taylor uniquely league's player and manager. Who was the teammate. And manager of watts with the stars and then brought what's with him when he went to the cleveland elites in nineteen twenty six and beyond that the trail goes pretty cold. There's a lot less known about the baseball charlie watts. Then the drummer charlie. Watts you can find. Sporadic mentions of watson game stories. And of course he shows up in box course but based on the search. We just don't know much about who he was what he was like beyond the stats heat produced on the field..
Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"negro national league" Discussed on Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"Is the author of our team. The epic story of four men and the world series. That change baseball located dylan. I'm doing great. Thanks thanks for joining me very excited about this. I remember reading about this book as it was about to come out in the spring and i was like that is going to be great. I obviously got great reviews. A great response The men reference in the title there for key members of the cleveland organization. Owner bill beck. That you're bob feller pitcher satchel page and of course larry doby They would win the world series. And we're coming up on the seventy fourth anniversary of dobies debut july fifth Or nine hundred. Forty seven Most casual fans. No dobie is the first african american in american league history How did you feel about. Larry doby at the end of the project. Because you know in you know as you go into it but by the time he got to the end. How did you feel about him. Yeah it's funny. I actually didn't know a lot about larry doby. Whenever i started the book i knew him. As sort of an answer to a trivia question as you said the first black player in the american league the second black layer after jackie robinson in the twentieth century. But other than that he was kind of a mystery to me and This sort of courage and perseverance that he had to have to do what he did. He went straight from the negro leagues to the major leagues with no training and between it was kind of like an overnight journey into the majors that differed very significantly from jackie robinson zone journey. And so it really was a sort of singular experience that he went under and so just assertive See him struggle through it and then have this incredible year in nineteen forty eight. The really helped the indians to the to the world series made me just appreciate his gifts in sort of almost be a little sad that his story hasn't been as well told as as perhaps robinson's. Yeah we we obviously know a lot about jackie robinson. There been so many books written you know the movie. Forty two How did larry doby handle this. Well it was. It was a real shock to his system. He found out that he was going to be signed by the cleveland indians. Only about two days before it happened he played a game for the newark eagles. Which part of the negro national league on july fourth nineteen forty seven took an overnight train to chicago where the indians were playing the white sox and the very next day. he was in a uniform with the cleveland. Indians he later told sportswriter. Wendell smith that during his first several bats in the majors he was so nervous that his teeth chattering He was often segregated from his teammates. Shunted off to separate accommodations He roomed by himself. He was he sort of struggled with loneliness and sort of tremendous Racial abuse as well as a cold shoulder for some of his teammates and so during that first year. Nineteen forty seven. He really struggled. It seemed like he was not major league material but then in nineteen forty. Eight as i mentioned he has this tremendous comeback where he is just sort of constantly spurring the indians whenever they are hitting a rough patch. And he's really the catalyst that help them through that season. Yeah i was thinking about this today. I was getting ready to talk to. You know we talk about jackie robinson Because he was the first african american to play in mlb but they were effectively sixteen. I there were sixteen team. Sixteen sets a players clubhouse cultures fan bases so dobie had the same set of challenges. The jackie robinson did i. You know. I've seen things written in the past about how jackie robinson may have made it easier. For someone's there's nobody was going to make it easier for larry doby with what he dealt with. So how did he turned the corner from that from those initial struggles into the second year and headed. The you know. The the cleveland franchise view him after that first year. Because you know in a part of the reason why branch rickey Chose jackie robinson was because he felt like you know what the. I is a player who has to have immediate success. And as you mentioned. Larry doby didn't yeah. And there was kind of a pattern that if a black layers did not sort of excel right off. The bat is jackie. Robinson sorta did after a slightly patch the beginning they were sent back to either the miners or to the negro leagues altogether Dobie was able to sort a weather. The storm a bit because he had a very supportive owner in bill. Vac who knew the dobie had talent and practiser patients and allowing dobie to find his footing within the league. Dobie found a community of a black clevelanders. At that time he lived with a guy named arthur grant who dobie had served within the navy And that allowed him to sort of form a community that he drew strength from me also drew strength from his wife And then there were several cleveland coaches. That really helped him. Along with bill mckechnie and true speaker. Who who was from texas and And really signed doby a tremendous talent. Dobie not only came back in nineteen forty eight after having kind of a disastrous nineteen forty seven season which he won fifty six. He had been an infielder and the negro leagues. The indians told him after the night. Forty seven season. You need to learn how to do the outfield. He was so inexperienced in the outfield. He was checking out books from the library. And the off season called how to play the outfield. He didn't know how to play it. And he just learns it on the fly while being the sole individual of a black player in the american league during the nineteen forty eight season so not only is he dealing with sort of the challenges that come with being a pioneer. He's learning entirely new position position and he just kind of attacks it with with the tenacity that that he'd shown earlier in his athletic career. What really stood out to you. Is you research bill. Vac why i mean. He's one of the pioneers in baseball. In terms of marketing the sport in terms of trying to make the sport more popular but i. I've always thought of him as being you know. There's going to be the natural comparison to to branch rickey I've always thought bill. Back is being more progressive and thought whereas ricky was more of a pragmatist and a businessman Tell me what you thought you felt about bill beck. Yeah i mean. I'm someone who comes from st louis and so i grew up here in stories about that on the st louis browns. And so i got almost like a carnival. Ization picture of bill deck where he was shooting off fireworks doing sort of outrageous stunts and promotions. And things like this. He was the guy with eddie goodell. Put the plates that sort of thing. Yeah yeah that was more sort of picture that i had and so it was surprising to me when i was doing this research on. Just how progressive that was in terms of Desegregating the american league He grew up in chicago. Which at that time was sort of the nerve center of the negro league and he went to tons of different games both the east west all star game for the negro leagues and the chicago. American giants he new players in negro leagues. So well that one cleveland sports writer said that he not only tell you these players were but he could give you sort of stats about them..
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"negro national league" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"The problem is or at least the problem for me as i was preparing for the segment is that that was not his major league debut. That was his season debut but he actually debuted last year unbeknownst to me. Because we we're not doing. The segment. And i was not tracking everyone who made his major league debut but he did pitch in five games last year. So ineligible therefore. I was forced to pivot and we got an email just this morning from kevin patriot supporter. Which was well timed in this case. He said it occurred to me. After your episode on the negro league stats being integrated into baseball reference that you could expand your delightful mita major leaguer segment to occasionally include. Negro leagues player is now part of the official record. Just an idea in that is a good idea. I will do that today. At least and i'm going to go with a major leaguer. Who hopefully you have heard of or met previously. But i think deserves all the attention he can get and that split roken. The great right handed pitcher and hitter for the kansas city. Monarchs at the nineteen twenty s. This week has been a bullet rogan appreciation week. I think because of the baseball reference moved to reclassify those stats status. Major league suddenly has been looking at leaderboards and looking at the new negro leagues stats hub on the site and everyone has suddenly been saying. Whoa bullet in check out this guy. And i just. I saw a bunch of tweets that were like holy crap bullet rogan and again. I think that's one of the benefits of of baseball reference. Doing that is that. He's not an unknown player. I mean he's a hall of famer but he is not quite as famous as you know your josh gibson satchel pages and so if you haven't looked at the stats before boat broken may have escaped your notice or at least the amount of notice that he should get an it seems like he is getting it now and this is well-timed because shohei otani is making his tenth start of the season on thursday or will have done so by the time you were hearing this against a new major by the way tigers prospect matt manning betton exciting match up that is otani ten start of the season. He is one of only two major leaguers who have ever gotten to double digits in starts on the mound and home runs and stolen bases as a position player in the same season and he has done that twice now he did it and twenty thousand two but the only other player ever to do it is split open in nineteen twenty two so between that and between the anniversary the anniversary of a famous game in rogan's career were you head to head on june twelfth nineteen twenty one against cincinnati's home leblanc who was kind of the other best pitcher in the negro leagues at the time and that was just written up by sabres game recap project so all sorts of things are coming up bullet rogan right now and i can't full justice to him in the segment we've devoted full episodes are interviews in the past two oscar charleston and to martine daego and maybe boat rogan should get that treatment at some point to for now. I will direct everyone to the baseball. Reference pages. Admire the stats. He stands out on the baseball reference hub. Because he has. The most war of any player accumulated in the negro leagues. So you know there were players who spend the negro leagues and american national. League's willie mays jackie robinson who had more war. But but rogan had the most were of any player exclusively in the negro leagues and by like ten war over willie wells and he did it because he was fantastic as both a hitter and a pitcher and just try to put this into perspective in his five-year peak. Nineteen twenty one to twenty five. That's his age. Twenty seven through thirty one seasons. The monarchs played four hundred twenty four league games that are included at baseball reference. And that should be pretty close to their total because the data coverage for the nineteen twenties is pretty good so four hundred. Twenty four games over that five year period bullet rogan. His batting and pitching war was worth thirty. Nine point eight wins but replacement now. If i've done the math correctly that means that per one hundred sixty two team games. Bullet rogan was worth fifteen point. Two war over that period or if we want to go with one hundred fifty four game schedules. That alien teams were playing at the time that would be fourteen point five war per one hundred fifty four games the best single season war ever by a major leaguer. According to baseball reference is babe. Ruth's fourteen point two in one thousand nine twenty three so relative to the negro national league replacement level reuss. Contemporary bullet rogan was playing better than peak ruth. Better than anyone has ever played. He just was an incredible two way. Player the stats are eye-popping. On both sides really his your a. Plus career is one. Sixty one is opiates. Plus career is one fifty two so he was fifty to sixty percent better at both of those things at the same time and there are not enough superlatives so some of the other fun facts. I've seen jeremy frank on twitter. The list of players with fifty plus career wins and fifty plus career. Home runs it. Saisi more babe ruth and bullet rogan and a tweet from at brave stats Effectively wild listener had the list of players with at least one hundred twenty career. Ps plus and one hundred twenty year era plus with at least five hundred plate appearances and two hundred innings. Pitched charlie ferguson. Bob carruthers babe. Ruth bullet rogan leon. Day and merchandise ego. He go and rogin are the only two who have at least a thirty. Opiates plus in both those categories and broken is the only one who has One fifty or better or even one forty or better in both those categories. So really kind of incredible. And i'll just stub brief summary. He didn't make his debut until he was almost twenty seven in nineteen twenty which is the beginning of the negro leagues so he was already well into his career in life by the time he got there which makes it even more impressive. He was born in eighteen ninety three and he was in the army for awhile before he was in the negro leagues and he played on a famous team in the military which was called the twenty fifth infantry records In the the buffalo soldiers regiment the records were really skilled team in the military at that time and a lot of their players went on to form the core of the monarchs teams of the nineteen twenties and so he excelled there and served in the philippines and was just in the army for years before he made his negro leagues debut and he could do it all and the quotes. The testimonials are really impressive. William big johnson. One of his teammates in the army said oscar charleston was everything but rogan was more roken. Could do everything everywhere. Satchel page famously said in unique diction. He was the only pitcher i ever saw. I ever heard of in my life was pitching and hitting in the cleanup place. He would often clean up when he was not pitching. According to rogan's longtime kennedy frank. Dumping if you had to choose between rogan and page you'd pick broken because he could hit the pitching you too soon have satchel as rogin understand but rogan's hitting was so terrific. Get my point i do. And casey stengel also called rogan one of the best if not the best pitcher that ever lived and the tributes go on and on and he was actually five seven which was not big even then and yet. He was the throwing pitcher. It seems like probably in the negro league. He unusually for the time often pitch without a wind up and pitch from the stretch in. Had a sidearm delivery..
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"negro national league" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"Baseball at that time. I think one. The things i did did struggle with and realize those finding Good inaccurate documentation of negro league games and barnstorming gains at the time I found you know there was definitely a lot of advertising. You know come. Satchel page to kenosha wisconsin or whatever. Those are great But then you telling what happened in the game and opinions. They just weren't something that were covered in white newspapers. Mainstream newspapers in the early part of the nineteen hundreds. So i found myself using the pittsburgh courier and as a main resource which is an african american publication in pittsburgh You know historical you weekly newspaper And that was where i was able to find a lot of the accurate reporting Meagrely and black baseball and social issues. you know and everything like that so it was. It was very interesting to say. See the ballot and coverage. You know things that weren't covered by mainstream media that were covered these these african american publications and the reverse as well. Well was the importance of baseball to the african community. african american community. How was it looked upon. It was a huge part. You know as huge as as wait. america you know it just wasn't always publicized and and celebrate it that way nationwide within the african american community. Those games were huge. And i think one of the things that sometimes gets lost with You know white owners pushing back against integration. You know there were definitely had their racist reasons for doing so But also a business reasons you know when when they go out of major league teams on the road they were renting out their stadiums to the negro league teams and drawing out dry some of the major league teams in some instances so there was a tremendous amount of interest in the negro leagues. Without question. i mean it was enough to fill stadiums East west all star games. That they had were were drugs And you know they were covered by mainstream media as well so There's never a shortage of interest Had the barnstorming or to these african american teams can travel all over the country to any little town in america. People were coming out to see them black and white. You write about how. African americans have influenced baseball from the eighteen hundreds to the present. Give me a thumbnail description of how they've done that you know. I had a great conversation about that with pot cancer. Extra president of the eagerly dan. I flew out there and interviewed him and he said you know he put it great. He said you can go back in baseball history to any point in time and they're always african american stars. They're always black. Players for people can look up to you know whether they were black or white you know they just didn't have that opportunity to play in major league baseball. You know there were. The legend satchel teenage reached out. You know beyond just major league baseball. A bill josh gets and cool papa bell so they were always people to look up to just the point where they finally got into major league baseball and now they have a wider reach You know people were able to see them. Look up to them. And and i really do believe that that was a very Very big aspect of Of major league baseball players African american players as kids. Young black kids in the fifties and hank aaron and they wanted to be like You know and then it led to a boom in the seventies and eighties You know things like that. Kinda easier to perpetuate through the generations. You mentioned about cool papa bell and josh gibson and other names like that i don't know how much of it was Was fact it. How much is just a reputation that got out of out of bounds in sense. Tell me a little bit about the some of the great players and what they did actually accomplish. That's a good point too. And there's definitely a folklore. Do give negro league than barnstorming and the those players you mentioned. Cool papa and and satchel cage and just kids center mule suttles hidden you know. Five hundred. Eighty put homers but You know the documentations on the more structured leaks the negro national league there are stats We get major league. Baseball is gone to recognize These rarely stats as a major league. Which is great You know it's never going to be a complete picture Their records are incomplete There there are boxers that exists or are storybooks against But but you never really know you know. It was the league's were loosely. Organized time Barnstorming didn't necessarily count. So you know it is. It is kind of a. I'd say you know complete picture and that element of folklore that we just probably will never get a full full you know. How fast did satchel page pitch out. How far the judge gets fifties home runs over. Lying is these newspaper articles and stories that have been passed down. Tell me a little bit about. What was the toughest part in writing this book. That's a great question. And i i the toughest part for me was keeping in mind that You know it's too for two hundred and thirty facebook it's the size of the normal bobble But i would like yeah. There were definitely subjects. That i would loved to do a deeper dive into But couldn't do that. Because i'm trying to incorporate over one hundred and fifty years of baseball so you know tennis. The role of kennesaw mountain atlantis. In all of this. I think really deserves a very deep dive You know a and kind of on a bigger scale you know. I wanted to really kind of dive into where the tower was with integration and segregation Landis is the figurehead. He was the commissioner of baseball during the white periods. But there are a lot of questions about that. You know i think to me. The real power lied with the owners. landis you know while he you know he absolutely stood in the way of integration. You know there are some you know. He has positive relationships in other areas with african americans. he was business. Partners are here. They are very good close. If rube foster who founded the negro leagues each stood up as a judge for many You know on the right side of many rachel incidents so but then yet again you know seen as has the figure that kept baseball white for all those years you know and then there's the question You know landis died in nineteen forty four. You know there were team. That didn't integrate ten til ten fifteen years down the line after that. So what does he really the guy standing in the way. You know that. That's something. I would have loved to dive deeper into But just the restrictions on on doing a comprehensive time line. I think that was my biggest challenge. It's what to include whatnot to include. You know where to cut down. Rocco constantino is with us. We're talking about his book. It is an excellent read. We're gonna make it a selection of the month on the sports byline book corner checking out. It's called beyond baseball's color barrier the story of african americans and major league baseball past present and future we continue with more of you and sports byline..
Tracing The Path
"negro national league" Discussed on Tracing The Path
"He went on to become the first latin american player to play in the major leagues but despite the ban cubans continued to play and form the first cuban league in eighteen. Seventy eight bringing esteban back to cuba playing for club havana. The cuban league played from november to may making it a great winter league for us players so esteban could play in both cuba's plea independence got some unsolicited help. When the us began the spanish american war in eighteen ninety eight at the defeat of spain. Po rico cuba the philippines and guam. Were ceded to the. Us for twenty million dollars and cuba was free from spanish rule that brought new opportunities for them to play. Us teams just a year later. Cuban teams started to allow black players to play in their league thus began the integration of baseball by the eighteen eighty s black amateurs and professional leagues had formed. The east coast scene had grown the most with philadelphia being the center of the baseball universe. Well the philly area. It wasn't always easy to get permits to play so camden new jersey across the river. So a good number of games as well. The cuban giants had of newark. Were the first professional black team. Sadly choosing that name because white spectators were more inclined to watch cubans than blacks and their success led to the first negro league. The national colored baseball league in eighteen eighty seven. Eighteen ninety cubans were playing american teams in american teams. Were playing cuban teams thus both teams were allowing players from the other league to play on their team for several years. They played without incident other than seeing the rise and demise of many teams over the years but in nineteen fourteen world war. One put a crimp in the rise of baseball in the us. The need for workers in the northern states to replace soldiers sent abroad created a migration of blacks from the us south to the north and in cuba. It caused forests to be chopped. Down to make way for sugarcane and core production and for this. They needed workers at the end of the war. It was the former pitcher of the cuban giants rube foster who pushed to get baseball going again. In one thousand nine hundred twenty therefore a new negro national league was started with rube foster as the president it was only a couple of years before in eastern and southern league started and the first colored world series was played in nineteen twenty four. The negro league games were very successful often seeing attendance higher than major league games even when played on the same day.
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"So i'm guessing bolden then is is starting to recognize that you know we got to be more control of our own destiny so to speak and if we can't sort of sort of get over the current process then perhaps maybe we should. We should perhaps take our marbles and go elsewhere with them right. So i i guess. How would you describe the team in the negro national league in those early years. And then the i guess what. It was the buildup to a more dedicated eastern league that they jumped to or help create and nineteen. Twenty-three i mean i'm guessing that bolden saw that foster had put something together. I mean ear. National inc was flawed. Don't get me wrong But the early years of the ingraham. We're probably some of the best run. Negro leagues ever as far as the number of games played the attention to the schedule and statistics and things like bad and they did relatively well. I mean the twenties fairly strong twenties fairly strong period financially for negro league baseball so i think bowling probably saw that. There's there is more money to be made and something else was happening to which we can touch on. His semi professional baseball was slowly starting to fade as far as it being able to pay Hildale had made its money as we talked earlier by playing all white teams during the week. He's white semi pro teams and they could make a decent amount of money doing that but by the early twenties they're starting to die off. There's many complex reasons for why it was having people say radio was part of the reason why these local teams start stayed So i think bolden probably said okay. We can't totally survive on the way we were before with with the reliance on these wight semi pros have to replace that with more games played against professional teams in league situation. So i think that's what pushed him to form the eastern colored league at the end of nineteen twenty to nineteen twenty three season and some your listeners might find it interesting the the choice of words you know you have the negro national league and the eastern colored league..
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"Yeah The negro national league was formed in nineteen twenty the eastern teams were not included. I believe after the nineteen twenty one season or perhaps for the nineteen twenty one season The backer iraq's and there were made associate members so they were not actually part of the league. And i think the associate status. I believe you know gave them some degree of protection whereby they could play negro national league teams and they also there players would not be poached by eager nationally teams. I think it's really about all it. Did the associate membership. I'm a i'm guessing. They probably have to pay something in to do that again. If i recall correctly Possibly hildale may have only done it for one year because they felt they weren't getting much out of it again. A hard percents sure it seems like at least it would guarantee him a bunch of games right. It's almost you know from from a business and financial ledger. Perspective right at say. Hey here are some of the better teams or best. If you will teams in this fledgling league and we're gonna get to play them even hosting and stuff and whether they're exhibitions or for an actual competition column scoring all that kind of stuff. It's still it's still some paydays right that you can at least circle and guarantee on schedule while you're trying to fill in with the rest of it in theory. Yes but here's the here's the problem. And this is why. The eastern teams always a giant advantage to the mid western teams Been washington too far so a and the twenties the time we're told my right now. They weren't traveling by bus traveling by train to take your your team. We'll see posters american giants..
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"Actually they changed the name briefly to quakers which you know was kind of funny because there had been other teams called the quakers. In addition to penn there's some Pro teams called the quakers to the the the spas and then the warriors were called briefly. The quakers somebody wanted to change their named phillies. Which would have been kinda stupid. I think since there was already a team called that but yeah they they They had a lot of the good players from the city on it. And you know. I interviewed some of these guys because they were still around and they had they had great stories to tell about those years and Like i say some one. Onto the warriors in played there but you know and just godly was just so so tightly wound into these things and the you know the stars or the philadelphia stars. That was another area that he was really in deep into and Time to be that involved with with the the the negro national league the second version of that And the stars franchise. I'm guessing that had something to do with what you alluded to earlier. Sort of that. Sunday blue law thing because you know a lot of the negro league teams obviously needed to play or we're playing in major league stadiums when they're quote unquote home tenants. Were on the road right so we can dates mattered. In sunday's were half of those dates right well. The philly teams and philadelphia actually has had negro league team since the early nineteen hundreds and a at one point along. The way team called hildale was formed and They were formed in nineteen ten and later We're part of the several leagues actually But we're Very substantial team that played in delaware county near Field was not too far from where i live and they as well as the stars who were formed a couple years after the hildale team folded they would play on mondays and the Philadelphia ballparks whether it was the as part of the phillies pork They would often play a doubleheaders on mondays. Because back then. Monday was a day off for major league. Baseball teams mostly and so the stadiums were open and the owners would run them out and typically The teams The games would would draw good. Chunk fans ten. Fifteen thousand fans would come to their games which they couldn't get any other time because their first of all stadiums weren't large enough and secondly they had they had to play You know during during the week or during a day people were working and so forth so they can play.
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"18 86. At first, the Southern League of Colored Base ball ist Became the first Negro League Wasn't until 1920 that an organized African American League. The Negro National League, survived the full season. Three years later, the Eastern colored League was formed. And the following year In 1924, the Kansas City Monarchs defeated the Philadelphia Hill Dales in the first colored world. Syriza's Students of baseball will tell you, James Cool. Papa Bell was the smoothest and fastest outfielder ever to play. Josh Gibson, who averaged Batting average of 3 62 over a 16 year career was the best offensive threat of the Times. And, of course, no list would be complete without the legendary pitcher Leroy Satchel Paige, the greatest pitcher of the national of the Negro Leagues, and the elevation of Jackie Robinson to the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1945. Not only opened the doors for other African American players, it also signaled the end of the Negro leagues. And the story goes. Very short story. Okay, that James Cool Papa Bell was so fast, he could turn the light switch off on the wall and be in bed under the covers before the room got dark. That's quick Spurs flashback..
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"Miami Marlins general manager Kim Hang made history as the first woman and the first Asian American general manager. Major League Baseball. And shattered one of the few glass ceilings that exist in major league baseball for women. She stands on the shoulders of another woman named F A Manly who 85 years ago, triumphed as a baseball executive and became the first and only woman to envy inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. A new book called Baseball's Leading Lady. F. A Manly and the Rise and Fall of the Negro Leagues. Author Andrea Williams tells the remarkable story of F A Manly, the owner and co manager of the Newark Eagles, a team she cultivated into a powerhouse. She also explores manly civil rights activism and the history of American baseball. Andrea Welcome to all of it. Hi. How are you? Good. So let's start with the fact that you are not only a baseball fan, you have worked professionally around the sport. The Negro Leagues Baseball Museum know when you first heard about the life and learned about the career of F A manly What jumped out at you? What leapt out at you about her career. Yeah, I think the first thing was just that she had done. It was really just what she was able to accomplish in the thirties and forties. I started working active you them in the summer of 2004. I had just graduated with the sport management degree and By myself, working in a front office on myself, ultimately becoming a general manager of a major league baseball team. I wanted to work at a small market club and, you know, I had my own Moneyball aspirations. But at the time there was no one you know you mentioned in the intro Kim and what? Just becoming the first last year And so, you know, I would always say that. You know, I wanted to be the first but I really thought that Kim would beat me. Um And I don't know. I mean, I do know why it took so long One, but yes, see, Seen F um and what she accomplished back then was was really eye opening because a We didn't really know about it. You know, I just got my job at the museum and Up. Kendrick, who is the president now was giving me a cooler and, you know, I saw her picture in the corner and started asking questions and researching and reading and doing all the things and, Yeah, it was. It was remarkable because she had been owners, um, female owner his team before that they're you know, have been owners and Major League baseball and in the Negro leagues, but she Didn't just only team husband. She really handle the day to day did all the player contracts and negotiations or the equipment and manage the books and did all of the things that a general manager does. And she gave it back there. Open the book with a scene for the 1946 Negro World, Syriza and F Family's team. The North Eagles play and beat the Kansas City Monarchs. Why was this such a pivotal moment in her career and in baseball history? Yeah, it was. It was pivotal because of me. I'm sure I don't think she had. Why? No, she didn't have any. You know, she wasn't a little girl thinking of owning and operating a professional baseball team one day, but everything that she did. She did it to the degree. So if she's in based on now she wants to live. No, it matter that she, you know, Matter of fact celibate like she. She's been struggling. All this part 200 steam, You know, having having a professional team hard anyway, But doing it in black baseball was that much harder. You know, Budgets were tight, You know, they didn't. They didn't have their own stadium, very few black owners on their own stadium, so they were giving up. Hefty portion of gate receipts every single game to the white teams that they rented stadium space from so everything was always such a struggle. And so it was finally like, yes, this is this is what it was all for. It also missed it. Now, when you're the top team, right gate receipts go up because now people want to come see the best of the best to play in that team. Hurt. Here We really go goes on it. Larry Doby, who became the first black player in the American League following Jackie, who was first in the nationally he was on that team, one of efforts players Oh, yeah, It is a big deal. You know, Now that we see that, um Major League Baseball is element you know, has elevated the status of the peace Negro League players. You know that All of those guys were doing it on a professional level, and they were champions. My guess is Andrea Williams. They've her book is baseball's leading lady F A manly and the rise and fall of the Negro leaves. So in a little back background on efforts was born in Philadelphia, 18 97, and if you Google her her heritage has been debated for some time. Of and you write in your book that, according to US census records, her mother had at least some black heritage. And she and her mom and her half siblings lived his black Americans. She finds out later that her father Is white as the result of a relationship or affair, I guess how did she live in the world? And what impact did this have on the way she became involved in baseball and worked and lived in baseball. Yeah, As for definitely, um, you know, she took advantage of her fair complexion when she could when she needed to know she didn't interview later in life and talked about how you know if she was traveling alone, she would say in a white hotel or either the white only restaurant. Um, but I think that really that privilege is what enabled her to come back to Negro League baseball and say to it is boardroom in the In the conference is for the Negro National League. When she's surrounded by all of these black men and saying, OK, this is what we need to do..
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"Baseball. Game well it depends all full of plan. Who was there and you again you have. You have a lot of white center in fact well to give you a narrative. A lot of people wanna world is the second second place. Washington senators playing in griffith stated in seventy seven games. This season would not draw as much as the homestead grays who gainsaying park and there were only twenty three days pleasing their grades one nine in seconds negro national league pennants from nineteen thirty cents. A nineteen forty-five wilson. Sam bankhead holidays mood. Dust gets in brooklyn and up both type of players. And they were. They were just a dynamite. Let me ask you a question from a societal standpoint. I was. I thought about this and thinking about talking to you. Am i correct in assuming that for african americans black people of this country during that period of time. This was almost an equality. Move being able to play the game and being able to watch it because the whites had their game but african americans had their game as well and it put them on an equal level with the white people. Hey where there was no nba. There's no national. We're undergoing baseball. That's all we had. So if you take the athletes playing baseball today and they move into playing and basketball and baseball you'd have the same scenario. We dominating baseball dominant in the other sports. But we're not playing baseball. I wanna talk about that a little bit later on. But i also wanna talk about your close friend candy. Jim taylor. You alluded to him a little bit earlier legendary negro league manager. Tell me a little about history. I love that everybody. Everybody called him on oscar charleston and on all all your everybody got him on because I don't know if i was in close to over james. A kid can't child can't be too for some reason. We hit it off become too. I was like seeing what i was. The byzantine backboard like teams in the south end. Like the student exhortation again. I met up with gm when when it came in and we hit law in the smuggled chicago periodically to see him and In fact i worked. He's with game in nineteen forty. Six forty seven was the all star games but he was. he can just Just i love. I love the talking prior to can talk so bad. What do you remember most about growing up as a batboy. And you were a batboy at several negro league all star games as you said in the late forties. What are you remember. Most about those games looking at the magnificent and i never been forty seven chicken Type of hit something ball on dp. She writes that they stopped bends like they weren't throwing balls away like they do now. It just it just a wealth of of of talent. yeah. I enjoyed every every minute. Every second of i can imagine that you would register. Hold on just a second. Very special guest with us reginal howard. He played second base in the negro leagues with the clowns. Back in the nineteen fifties. He was born and raised in south. Bend indiana and as you heard him say is whole family. Were big time baseball fans when we come back on the other side One of the things that i Learned in my research for this interview. Was that almost everybody in the negro leagues nicknames. And i've got to find out why were some of the most unusual colorful ones and we'll do that as we continue across the country and around the world. It's good to have you with us. Here on sports byline hello and welcome back to the ronnie deutsche tax program on the line is paul from california. Hi paul what's your tax problem today. Irony ronnie love. Your show listen. I've got a big problem. You see my paycheck garnished last week. I'm only get half the normal amount to make matters worse. The irs froze my bank account. Listen i'm embarrassed and scared. I need some help. Listen paul you'll need to feel embarrassed. 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Let me ask you about The owner of the clowns syd pollock all of those guys that own. Those teams were numbers. Guys right yeah but not say you're caller what was he then promoter okay among a lot of different things and even basketball and based off but when i say numbers guys can you explain to everybody what i'm referring.
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MLB Marks The 100th Anniversary Of The Negro Leagues
"Baseball is marking the anniversary of the Negro leagues created 100 years ago. The league's showcased black baseball players players who couldn't play on the major teams because of the color of their skin. Only a few members of the leagues are alive to celebrate the centennial Michigan radios, Doug Tribute spoke to the only surviving team owner and others about the legacy of the legendary leagues. In 1920 owners of independent black baseball teams from the Midwest gathered in Kansas City, Missouri. At that meeting they created the Negro National Leagues had no idea they were making history. They didn't care about making history. Bob Kendrick heads the Negro Leagues Baseball museum there, he says. Faced with segregation, black owners and players kept pushing for organized baseball. These athletes never cried about the social injustice. They went out and did something about so you won't let me play with you and I create my own And they did today. Stars like Josh Gibson, Buck Leonard and Satchel Paige are enshrined in the Baseball Hall of Fame, but thousands of black and Latino players endured bigotry and racist taunts. It was Tear before the players at that time. Many Forbes owned the Detroit Stars from 1956 to 1958. She lives in Grand Rapids, Michigan, that players try of them. They had nowhere to stay because of the discrimination, so they slept in the buses. And they couldn't go in places to eat so one person would go to the back door. When get food for all the players. Pedro Sierra pitched in the Negro leagues for several seasons in the 19 fifties. He grew up in Cuba and says it was tough to adjust to segregation and racism he saw in the US It wasn't easy to see all the problem with the raise. I know all about it, herb artist. But I hadn't experienced today. Sierra lives in New Jersey In 1954 he signed with the Indianapolis clowns at the age of 16. His salary was less than 5% of what white players were earning dollars a month a month, $100 a month. And I look back and say, Oh my God. Jackie Robinson played briefly in the Negro leagues. Then, in 1947 he broke baseball's color barrier with the Brooklyn Dodgers in Cleveland, Larry Doby became the first black player in the American League. Coming seasons brought many more signings. But many Forbes sympathizes with the many athletes who were good enough to play in the major leagues, but never got a shot. Unfortunately, some of the good players by the time the time Came. They were too old to play. The last league folded in the early 19 sixties, the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum estimates there are about 100 former players still alive. Forbes is 88 worries about being one of the last left to tell the story. And I just want a if I'm worthy of represent and speaking about the Negro League because When I got involved, things was easier for me. Then it wass father one before me. Many Forbes will keep sharing her stories with younger generations and others will to Major League Baseball has a day to honor the league's set for next month. The museum has pushed back its year long celebration of the centennial to next year and renamed it Negro Leagues. 101