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08/31/21 - Boomer and Gio Hour 1 (6AM-7AM)

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08/31/21 - Boomer and Gio Hour 1 (6AM-7AM)

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Listen on odyssey boomer on the fan and the cbs sports network. I would say we do this. On a tuesday's become you live from the built ford tough studio. It is the boomer and gio program and jerry sitting in the boys off until next week we will see them after labor day as we get set for the start of the nfl season. Eight seven seven. Three three seven sixty sixty six on the fan and cbs sports network. And let's get through today. Yesterday was pretty much wall to wall francisco. Endure and hobby buys and the mets and the thumbs down with yesterday. We saw hobby baya's out at the national tennis center. Giving a thumbs up door. Right when i say by door with his wife and his baby and so that was kinda cool and you get two games. Today for the mets won they will complete another. They will start to take on the miami marlins. We'll see we get thumbs up thumbs down but i will tell you the guy to my left thumbs up for yesterday. His name is sal licata as we will get to the mets and the yankees. Good morning. sal how are you yeah. I'm alright. I mean you know so yawn today. That's not what i do everyday. They deserved it. You don't well man they are. I mean we'll look at record until they get the five hundred. They are going to be called loses. I'll tell you though. I do think and we'll get to the exit a second. I think by his as odd as this may sound coming for me. He is getting a little bit of a bad rap. He's sitting there with his kid. He didn't say a vicious way. What he said was stupid and should be ripped. I understand that but it's not ham to change. He's no but he's in he's in. But why is joe. You know the real problem. Because he repeated it that he was sticking up for his friend. Like if somebody were trying to throw you under the bus. I i'll take the bullets here. Yeah it was my idea. We'll let the fans have it. I think even though he said it and it was obviously stupid. And you shouldn't say and you should get ripped. I don't think he said it would ill. Will he obviously didn't know the ramifications orderly just said he's sitting there the with his kid it with the small again. We're going to let them know now. It's not how it works here on our way. The bigger issue obviously is indoor but some people just really like the idea that you would suspend them or cut hobby by his right. Now come on. Let's not go that. That's ridiculous absurd. Do if we can rewind yesterday twenty four hours here. It sounds like at the end of the year. Now take you think you league-leading strikeout. I changed in twenty four hours a good sleep yesterday. I'm feeling good. Data was anthony. Recor him yesterday zeal. Who was yeah. I actually did the show yesterday for us and why to look. I'm just how much can you say about the one thing it. It's been the same thing with this team but people people overdo it right with one of the p. How do you not like the the The statement from alderson. That's number one number two like you said how you going to. As far as saying this guy should be suspended or cut right now or fire. Somebody calm down. He all he said was they boo the fans in. Now it's unacceptable. It's wrong again. The bigger issue to me. We'll be francisco and obviously he ain't going anywhere. And we did. Hear from steve cohen again. I think the new york post had the quote teaching moment. These young guys. They'll be better for this going forward and i reference. Linda of course screwed it up with buys. I'll reference the door at the national tennis center yesterday at the. Us open which by the way. We'll spend a minute on that later because that was a disaster. God we'll talk about that because that's going to be a factor for other sports. I think going forward. And we're talking about getting with vaccination cards and stuff both at a moment but the fact that lindores there yesterday and you know you got him on video newsday had the video of him signing autographs and then one guy say. Hey i love you. But how about the thumbs up from now on and he smiled and gave the guy a thumbs up. So who knows. Maybe we're beyond this and also found very odd. Sal that not odd but interesting. It's steve cohen had a charity event last night and both baya's inland door were expected to be there. They were there. They were okay now. If they didn't show up i would cohen said. I thought that that was. I thought that that pretty much. And maybe that's what saul me a little bit realizing he's right. They are young. They are matured. They don't know any better the hard way they just have to get to a point where you realize it is you. It's not the media. It's not the fans at some point. It's you and in this case. They did something wrong. The fans and media go nuts. they can't then again. Try to combat. It's not that you guys making stuff up just understand why you said and what you did was wrong but i did like cohen's comments basically saying look they're young you you struck the third world with you can never go at the fans simple as that end of story never do that. You can never go onto fans plus they're losing and that's the problem so yeah that is the crime out what they say. What they say is really a if if they continue to win on the field and it's been the individual performances as well so there's a lot to it and we'll do more on the and we'll take your calls of course eight seven seven three seven sixty six sixty six. They have two games in a one's a suspended game but they got two games essentially coming up later today out at city field as far as the yankees and really where we should start because they were out in los angeles game starts about nine forty-five Watched it this morning and odd game because corey kluber looked every bit the part that he was when we last saw him in may essentially before he got hurt and then all of a sudden things kind of spiraled out of control for him but beyond that because the yankees battled back on a few occasions as a matter of fact going forward. It's interesting how what we said. Yesterday was proven last night immediately again with the bullpen. Because whether it was andrew haney who comes in first battery he sees homerun whether it was klay homes who comes in trying to get them out of spot gives up the big hit. They have a bullpen problem. They really do and while i believe. This lineup is outstanding. And i think the starting pitching certainly good enough to win a world series. I don't know that the bullpen is and that might be a problem right. But this was the b or c guys. I mean you might see homes in there in the postseason. He won't make the postseason roster so he shouldn't be in there. This to me was more about the yankees. Not solidifying that number two spot in the rotation but i think he will though i don't know about that sounds bad. He looked looked nasty. I no problem with boone. Take out or did you. Can't you can't complain about managers taken out too early and then complain because he left kluber in there to give up a grand slam into the bottom of the order. You can't have it both ways. So kluber was dealing. He was nasty than low hit. He gives up a few. It's at a row the two outs in the inning and then gives up the grand slam. That happens he got knocked out of their whatever. But i just don't trust them jeff for me. I would trust montgomery more. I would trust louis. He'll nine oh. I have a thing for rookies and you know guys come up. Maybe an experience. You don't want to trust them in the postseason for me. Those would be my trusted. Three coal montgomery will not really corey kluber but showed you the first four. Why maybe he could be that that second guy to start in the postseason for the yankees assuming that they actually make postseason series that that to me was the game. I'm not worried about the bullpen. Not yet not with those guys in the bullpen. Not worried about the offense. It is what it is it. Actually before well stanton with another clutch homerun last night for the ball game of what but i would look at. Who's starting right now. We can't say definitively. Here's we're about to turn to september. We can't say who the yankees number two or three we can't say. What their starting rotation behind eric. We don't know that yet and that'll be decided. But i think they do have the arms that will prove that and i think the lineup is going to be good enough. The issue is. I understand what you're saying about last night with haney and homes and you know whoever parole fine right you have any confidence that are all. This chapman's going close. Big games for this team in october. not yet. it's a wise guy right now. That would have my time confidence now. I agree and i said that to gio last week like this. That's the guy. I would try to make the closer the problem promise. He's never done right. I know so. It's still as much as i like what i see. And i think he's got electric stuff and he throws a hundred and he looks that part you know he hasn't done it so i would be concerned. And if that's who else yeah you're going to have. The problem is green to me. You get the combo of britain out. Yeah chapman struggling green given up way too many homers. So i'll those three. You'd hope to find one guy that could help you along with the ago and look they're gonna have options whether it's cortez whether it's he'll i mean they have Some of these young guys they can throw back there to fill out that bullpen in the postseason bought the god. You trust to close out games. That's done before because you know postseason is a different animal. So you're right. Loisy will be the guy trust right now but we have no idea because once you get to the playoffs it is different. And that's why they need to get chapman right but in this particular game like you said he and he's not going to be there who knows. We'll peralta deal will be. I think homes will be able to get some big outs for them in the playoffs. I think he'd be right. I mean who who knew one lagaras had nine even along longer still in the league one the garrett who barely was hanging on ends up getting a few big hits anyway i think homes will be okay. But you're right. The bigger issue is who you gonna trust the close out right now would be that guy. But he's never done in the postseason. It is funny when you say you didn't realize the garrisons in the league. So you know. Yes at the first inning. They show that the angels defence you. Could you name half the team. No those because we don't watch them. I mean they're out in los angeles. Most of their games are at ten o'clock. But you do know who the dodgers are and maybe because there are more of a national team. I'm looking at it other than otani. Who by the way is not going to pitch later tonight. Didn't realize he got hit over the weekend. He's not gonna make that start against a tyrone coming up later. It's funny just looking at the line of man. I got the guy. Looks like charlie black men whose batting ninth and they the big data forget it. I'm blanking out on his name. But yeah marsh. Yeah granted marsh so watching. That was kind of funny but also interesting is. The lagaras triple was again. The lavar triple off the wall boy. Judge completely now. I'm not saying he could have caught. It should have caught it but it looked like it was a possibility he might have been able to get there. He was completely turned around. Turn out to be a pretty big hitting the game. Because if he goes back and makes that catch that innings over lagaras doesn't drive the run in but instead that's not the way it went and also not a positive note for the yankees last night in the loss. Anthony rizzo looked like anthony. Rizzo again at the plate. Fallon off pitches driving the ball the other way getting on base. I thought that was a good sign for them. To and the fact that and judge at a lousy night out three times. I mean even take the bat off his shoulder but stanton continues to hit and you reference to that home. Run off the wrong. I mean he hit just bombs. Look this is what he does. This is why it's infuriating. Because he's on a red hot streak right now. This is what he should be doing. This is job to hit. Big home runs tied the ballgame. Like there's a guy on your down to stands at the plate. You're thinking all right big boy. Do you have to do it every time. But that's a spa. He's gotta hit home run and guess what he did so he's been tremendous for them big picture though jerry and look these west coast trips you knew going in even though the yankees hot and they ended up winning thirteen in a row go knew it was going to be tough right four and oakland. That's never even with the angels not being good. Those are tough trips. Here's the yang's went from winning. Thirteen hundred the losing three straight. The rangers continue to win rights walls at tom. Do give up on the division. Oh no i mean they're now what seven back. That's it's a chunk and now you're right. There's a month ago in the eighties. We'll be playing the orioles. Play the mets the software. Your schedules favourable this month right so maybe you shouldn't give up yet. Bought losing three straight while the race. Continue to win. That puts a little dent in in your plans maybe to the raise and if you look at it and i'm not worried about the red sox i keep hearing people all you have to face the red sox and a one game playoff and chris who's who's to say the red sox going to be they might not be going to worry about that now with a month to go. The red sox might not even be there and chris sale. Who knows if he's going to be there. Even at the red sox are there. So i wouldn't worry about them. The raise continue to be a force that will be a concern but the idea of the yankees chasing them down clearly over the last three days a lot harder to lose three games in a row no question but but as soon as and as quick as you can lose three games in the standings you can gain those back as well because i do believe tampa schedule is a lot more difficult than the yankees isn't september. We'll see the one team of boston. I worry about the same way if i'm tampa. Not that i'm worried about them. But i think the yankees could still catch them with a major hot streak. The blue jays. The blue jays have a really soft schedule. Tam member tampa's done with baltimore now. They played them nineteen times. They went eighteen in one. They are done. There's no more gimmes like that schedule. Toronto's got baltimore. I believe ten times this month and are three back right. Now of the red sox. Yeah they will be a threat. That's what it means to you given given like. It's going to stay the way that it is right now because it always happens like that right the way that it is today. It's going to be like that in a month from now. No so i would not be worried about the red sox. Just the problem is there is such a difference when you get to the divisional round versus the wildcard playoff. There's no other way to put it. It is it's sudden death one game and done so anything can happen. You hate to have. Your season was turned into a fond good season for the yankees with this recent stretch. You hate to have come down one game. They probably deserve better than that. I look at them. I think one of the best teams in the american league yet. There might be playing if they do make the playoffs. You know in the one game wild card. That's likely at this point but that's also why the baseball playoffs to me are better than most because it still puts a huge premium winning your division. Yeah because it should be. Yeah and for years and years. I mean you want division. That's the only way to get into the postseason. Now they've given you this additional path which is great but it should be hard and yet if you're a wildcard team and you're the yankees. Sorry you're going to have to throw garrett cole out there which screws you up now when you go to that first round playoff series and that's kind of the way it should be there's gotta be some reward when you play one hundred sixty two games. There's gotta be something at the end that benefits you more so than the guy that just kind of gets in right behind you and i no doubt there have been really good teams like the yankees might be one of the news here. That could win. One hundred games wildcard team. Well you know what went one hundred and two division. And i don't like the idea of the three game playoff what we saw. Last year i forget it was so jumble but expanded postseason had the three game. I like to come down on one game because to your point. Share all right. Let's say in this case right. There weren't didn't have the current format with the one game card. You had a best of three. That makes it a little bit okay. So who cares if we don't win the division not a big deal. We have a best of three. I like putting a lot of emphasis on the division winner. You're right you should have. You are the division leader after the full hundred. Sixty two games sleep. You should be rewarded. And the difference in a best of five versus a one game. Playoff is significant testify versus best of three is not so i hope they keep hates it. Not everybody but a lot of people hate especially when your team is in it yet. You bands will be hoping for three game playoff as opposed to one game walker. But i like putting the emphasis on winning division and you look at it right now. You anchoring good spot as far as having a grasp on that number one wildcard spot but with the red sox as blue jays all battling for that second position now going to be easy one way or other you hope they get still chase down tampa. It's just a lot more difficult now after the last three. That's right and i i. We weren't even talking about oakland because they're right there. Well after the yankees put on this week that is. It doesn't seem to go there for a while in good to have the game here. The problem is like you say at the end of the day. It's still one game right. And it really sets your path to the world series or even anywhere near it much more difficult when you've got gotta burn your ace in that game because you can't play the next round if you don't win that game and that's the other thing too all face chris sale. He's have gary that's why they paid them all the money that he's making you got him so he's an ace to i'll take my chance garrett cole against chris l. if that is the case now all right we're just getting started six sixteen on the fan and cbs sports network. It is sal jerry in for boomer and gio get chris lopresti in for me coming up next a lot to do including some football. We also have an interesting quiz where we're going to pit sal versus ceelo. Oh we'll see which one knows more you'll get it. I didn't know about this. You did you said it yesterday. But i know going against ceelo those me versus me. That's how it was to be. But then i thought it'd be more fun ceelo's lost as well okay. I might be worse for him. Actually going good okay dominate. I don't know one way or the other. We will find out who who my arm wrestling today ones. Is that happening big. You're done you're retired off your. Oh wow no i. If you want to you know semi worthy opponents semi worthy across to they gave up admitted to give it up on the air said he gave fell some resistance. He gave up some reason. I just i'm not into it too. Strong jarrell shut up all right six seventeen. We're coming right back on the fan and cbs sports network eight. Millions of americans are using good rx to save on their prescriptions. Here is teri story. I was working with a major corporation and there were several who were given our goodbye. Once that happened. I no choice but to go ahead and sign up for medicare there in times. I can use good rx. And it's cheaper than even going through the prescription plan with medicare. It was happy. Joined tearing start saving on your prescriptions download. The corrects app today in two thousand twenty users receive an average savings of over seventy percent of retail prices correct compensated for their time rex insurance coming. September first rewind nine eleven today. We've had a national tragedy and incredible plane crash into the world trade center. Look back at the tragedy of that day. Another explosion has taken place at the pentagon. It became very appeared. That what was happening was Fox news presents nine eleven down. Listen on odyssey. The morning show with boomer esiason gregg giannotti boomer and geo five after six to a couple of games today over city pay listen to blue travelers that hook song yesterday like a hundred times both blues traveler not travelers not the travelers checks travelers multiple trials in the band. One traveler. who's travel or is it a hook. Is that the proper name books like it. A lot better with it into the league chose song yang. Come get some pretty much get some. I think that was the song nick. Craig wrote back in the day. Get some oh. Yeah i remember it. You know it's so it's interesting to me that you remember that al does not remember that 'cause i mentioned that to him probably a month ago or so. And he had no recollection of it. What do you mean. Craig wrote a song. Yeah because that's like we discussed yesterday. Craig back in the day. Price still believes that anything can become a hit as long as you have the proper hulk right and you get airplay right. I don't disagree with them so he said we can write a song. The problem was we had five misfits that went into the studio and record it. It sounded are but he wrote the whole thing so yeah. I think it was come. Get someone's the name of something like that sounds about right. You hear the voice his name. Is chris lopresti. He sits in for me what you got. I brought to you by town fair tire. Nobody beats town fair tire. Nobody and i guess we can say. At least former mets are coming up with big hits elsewhere around baseball and be good if we had the to to to lagaras line drive bay it left field is high breaking ball more scores going to seconds the garrison and he is out at second base on a good roll like lagaras third head of the night gives the angels and eight seven lead john sterling in the eighth inning here on the fan yellow slapped tag from lemay you. He did check on leaders and he said oh good angels would close it out in the nine eight seven final handing the third straight loss. Each of them decided by two runs or fewer a category in which the eggs of excelled this season. I believe they lead baseball in those types of victories. Not the case here over the last couple of days lagaras also tripled home run in the sixth one inning after shohei ohtani hit an absolute bomb off of andrew. Heaney his third pitch of that inning. His mlb leading forty second of the season. He did have a lot of back and forth in this one early lead for the and they came out swinging in that first inning at three hundred workplace the stanton double-play killed inning. And all that other was undone by jack mayfield. Grand slam corey. Kluber in the fourth yanks quickly rallied italian. The fifth rbi singles for lemay. Who judge and stanton and stanton later retired the game at seven with a four hundred fifty seven foot to run rocket in the seventh so the bats did wake up. It's another and they all count even after the big winning streak. Here's aaron boone. That is the answer you know weather. We're in the midst of senator row. We've dropped three in a row j. mode all marlin come out and go get one. Gmo kluber add. The strike outs going early but I i thought you could tell. The command wasn't great like he was even getting strikeouts on curve balls that were like middle middle and then eventually the was giving them call tawny strike i. I would agree and boom was relatively pleased though with wiessee again wolf dive into it. Look at it. But i don't think stuff wise and sell off a time. You know the one mistake. That was a four-ball really. It's kinda what did you think going in. And i don't know if k. And flaherty four-ball. You've already said it at all. Was there a number in their mind. Like where h on seventy pitches or because there's no question. He wasn't going eight india. I think right around seventy. I was kinda surprised. He finished the inning after he gave up the grand slam. But i guess they were really trying to get them through four. When you're going to andrew heaney after god that'd be that'd be getting out of there. Welcome back maybe. They thought they'd get something slash homerun for tiny into the stratosphere pretty much another productive night for stanton no he is batting three forty one over twenty five games. Four doubles nine. Homers gary sanchez though homerless since july twentieth so well before the big moves at the trade deadline obviously he missed time on the covert less. But it's still twenty games for him and about seventy at bats. He was over four last night. You see the one play. I don't think i've ever seen. I'm sure it's happened before. I don't think i've ever seen where they were trying to pick off the runner. At first and second he was trying to pick off the runner at first and he catches the ball goes to throw and the empires face is leaning on his head and he couldn't make the throwing they might have had to play it first. Pick off the runner. How about the seen that before. How about the The angel pitchers falling the balk. He likes slowly on the rubber. And just see a at one point. It looks so goofy as jif give. Jim was jif. Yep okay. I was a gift guy. For many years. The creators of the file have said jeff interesting. Why wouldn't go with the j. Maybe copyright the peanut butter. oh yes. That's resolved yes we can move on. You mentioned otani scratch on the mound tonight. The sore wrist had hit over the weekend. Zada should d. h. obviously he's Swing is in fine shape as we saw last night can ask you something so on. Get slapped or slap garrison the face. At what point do you think. Kids transition to head. I saw your coach and your kids and you'll go in like you know what the legs right. Especially now i would think with the guys coming off and getting called out of you going with your feet. That shouldn't happen if doers. Oh we'll point your level even if as i. Wow so wendy. the. I don't remember ever sure uh-huh yeah can't go head. I in the home and he got his levels are high school. He got well with that makes sense slapped in the face though then like break an ankle or tear up my knee. But i can that can happen. But that's so rare. If you go in feed i have not seen any commencing. It doesn't happen. I have not seen many kids get hurt. Go right about how often something happens when you go in head first where that i mean. That's not usual to get slapped. That clear phasing-out lemay useful. But definitely as you said with the finger is what the hand jim thumb. So much bad can happen. Why why even bother. That's why you see these guys wear in the midst because the first indicator than it's dangerous. Yes but i think what they like and some guys are really good at it is when you you had i and you can swap out the head right and avoid the tags kind of tougher to do with your legs and your feet right. You see the guys do kind of the swim move or they pull one hand back and go around with the other one. So you had a little bit more schools of thought you can also slide away from the bag and then reach back. Yeah interesting. I don't know i just i don't ever remember ever sliding headfirst those too afraid of it. Own data myself sounds and a little fatter back then too. So maybe we'll get in the way but yeah you get go feet i. I'll never did. He went hitless. I never got on base. i'd like to see more. I think about an hour muslim with the nimmo play that we were referencing got caught the other night. I'd like to see guys go feet. I more often now. We campaign going. Well i line those little pop upsides and the headfirst anything and not to say. You wanna get injured ugo feet. I right into lemay. Who's ankle or calf. Maybe all of a sudden. He's not called out at second base spikes. We're talking about lemay. You being heard right. Yeah right and that would make you prevent guys from putting these teaching little guy's gonna put his leg down to block the base where you go in with your cle- he's not gonna necessarily do that. You don't wanna get away. Wants to get spiked or even with his hand. Yeah that's one thing. And i've talked to jerry about it. Drives me nuts with the. You don't need to put your leg down. You don't need to reach for a tag. Put the club on the bag. They've got to come to you. Get them. I know but now and i know we're talking to different things a little. You majors the majors. It's completely anything that we've ever been taught is completely blown out. It used to be just get tagged down. Quake let the make the call this quick. You do it around the bag neighborhood play whatever. Now it's down to the millisecond of the frame so which even to me defeats the purpose of slotting. had i. it's it's kind of. I don't know it's weird but they built a problem with a replay. They need to figure out. And i think slotting is an issue who yeah well you see. I feel like you were sped up l. this thing on kathy. Nobody's react to influence the overnight. Me anybody awake back de lis myself diet here. Got great enjoyment listening to emmanuel. Today struggle. With that i saw as a host. You feel it. I'm sitting there smiling. Yeah i can't wait to go do is show a jerry hang out. He'll give us a call or tax mean. The the jets is the mets carrier. Sweden me anything. If you remember back in the day. And i know this because mostly i would say eighty percent of the callers. They call every night. You knew that those phones we're gonna be in the morning at five thirty. Yeah i'll never forget now. I always tell this story i. I'll never forget the first time not the first time but one of the for some of the sort of doing shows regularly and i was doing like a ten to to shift or whatever and i don't really care about college hoops and it was. I was coming off of a syracuse. Let's say seton hall game. And i gave one of those like fake cherry. Yeah i guess. I have to talk about citizens going and talk about whatever i want to. I was like well. I have to be like everybody else and follows i try to talk about syracuse game and it was a horrible open and nobody called. I went into the controllables like dude russell. Math like what am i. What do i do he goes. He goes talking change cheese career. I was like yeah. Then you just learn how to talk. It's only talk about something that you care about. That would help for start help no question. There was one night with an where i mean. She always got calls. But i'll never forget. There was one night phones more ringing and she's on the talkback she goes. Could you make sure the phones work. They work. I know this from experience. A lot goes back there having their own conversation painted the thinking. Hey i'll die. Pick up a i-i-it ring and i keep talking myself. I hate myself. It happened everybody. All right james. James on the mound for the yanks. Today we get pre game on the fan eight fifty five. Hey guess what the raise one again. Six to one of the red sox at the trop. That's eight in a row for tampa plus boston's got the cova issues now. So they're list in tampa at the trump. What do you think the attendance was. That's the red sox actually caught a little bit of that game and how much how wait. Hold on. go over under eleven before you before you the answer. What is the capacity there these days. I don't know. I think it's got to be at least forty five. I would think. I see a lot of empty seats with No but like would you say eight thousand. I'm going to take the under under eat. Wow under eighth. Yeah low there. Yeah it's definitely seven. Watch september late. August game against boston for first place team. That's rolling eighty three and forty eight. They had sixty seven hundred pm. That's paid attendance. I honestly thought it was insulting them. Aid my guy. That's incredible you're right. That's not even the people that showed up. it was really three thousand. David hate attendance. What yeah wow. That is embarrassing. They gotta move that moving to montreal moving somewhere. Just this is a major league. Baseball is embarrassed. Can't shut a i. I could see if they were awful. A first place team. This is what goes on with them. If you actually if if jerry if you looked at the list of attendance numbers i mean the kind of thought now as you're getting toward september and they keep winning the yankees team that draws for them now. Yeah probably mostly yankee today sell out in the playoffs or at least close you know they're all the market's close. I don't know if they sell out though. And i think they also tarp the upper deck even in the buyer. Can you imagine that are new york with the two teams. Whenever they do make is an impossible. It doesn't happen. They don't get booed. Yeah well that's true nobody there. Hey go go play for tampa yeah. They can't afford you. Rhetoric fordham tampa. Up seven on the yanks. Now the yanks at three clear. The red sox loss column for the top wildcard spot. Steve cohen gave a quote to jill shurmur. The pos yesterday on the whole met situation. These are young guys and sometimes we forget there on a public stage. It can make mistakes. They hit the third rail though by messing with the fans. And it is unacceptable. Hopefully this is a teaching moment and they will learn from this that was really the only Update as far as mets management. Speaking out yesterday we'll see what comes later today. If you get sandy. Or zach scott out there on the field at some point before this split doubleheader with the marlins and by the way when you consider what's gone on with them this month it really is hard to believe that this was only three weeks ago. I believe in us in. Don't just believe no. We're here together raw on this together and we got this. We got this just smile and just know that that we got this. I mean i understand. His heart was in a good place. That i'm sure. He believed that and they in fairness that was after the phillies who they did. Sweep the nationals. In three game ended up serious but man. Since then it's gone that is that's why you don't say things like that and we got this. Yeah so now. The obvious retort pete. You said you got this. You guys have one what three-game since pretty much happen. Do you have exact right right. And it's getting even worse with the antics against the fans. You know what i am curious about. One thing i've read this in a couple places since yesterday. Is there a potential divide in that club. Brady's i can't imagine alonzo end. Look that those comments. Obviously they're foolish with the way the team has been playing but you understand like ceelo said it comes from a good place in his art allows. It's been a good guy. Good leader here. I can't imagine him getting on second base after a double thumbs down. Think so. I haven't seen him do it now. Not that he. There were three guys who are known to do it. As we reference yesterday with florida's inland door. Follow we uncovered trevor. May yesterday on on video doing it as well. He was very active on twitter. A little bit talk about tweeted at him and may did answer and he was very you know. He was very Very diplomatic with his answers on twitter yesterday. He was trying to engage people and give up thoughtful responses to summarize. his point. Was like you know we felt. Hey we're gonna try to take this and turn it into a positive. It's just a you know amongst the team here. We're just trying to rally around each other so on and so forth. So craig said well wait a second book you know look biased said was he misunderstood and may said something along the lines of like i think slightly misunderstood. So you know there. I feel like there's some damage control going on has three. Yeah because otherwise. You're going to hear it today but it seems there are guys that are. We're engaging in it you just wonder there have to be some guys. That are smart enough not to partake in that behave. Well not even partake but a you know to say it. The way bias said or be maybe for them. They didn't feel was directed. The fans by as door might feel that way but the other guys might say. It's a rally cry team were rallying honey. Exactly what you're saying on twitter saying like we were just doing it together. It was a booming. Why say it. Maybe that's the. Here's what i think happened and this is obviously just my opinion. I'm not there. I don't know. I bet linda for who has used some common sense here. He's got out there and said he doesn't like to be booed quote. It sucks to be booed by the fans so clearly he's sensitive to it. He's getting acclimated to new york. His best body on the team is by as the guy they brought in. Those two hundred percent have had a conversation with endorsed. Probably tell them by as they. This is ridiculous. it shouldn't happen. Well watt when we do something good. We'll do them. And i guaranteed. That's kind of what happened. Maybe not verbatim something along. Those lines buys not making this up on his own with advisors. Come through your goals been fifteen days. And he's like a yellow boo the fan. Screw you. you're do. He's not doing that. This is one door thing and we have the clip from august six in philly which was like his seventh game with the team where he gets on first base and he's going like this and there's linda in the dugout doing it back in. Just go to la when they were on the road. Yes well. that's what i'm saying wholesale philly in l. a. and then we had we found. We were at the game thursday night with the afternoon show so we didn't see this but i went. We went back and found it on the mlb dot tv replay for us and why by gets that hustle double hosts that yeah and it is but if you watch it you can form your own opinion but what you see is by as hustled double. He gets up and the camera shows him. He's going to the pumping them up and the crowd was all into because of the hustle cut till indoor and he kinda. It's almost like he's like we're going to do it. And then when he does and he reacted almost like an angry way now again. that's just my interpretation. It's not definitively clear but we did put that out there yesterday and it was amazing to see some people were like they are this guy. Get him out of town and then other people are like reach. There's nothing they're not getting. They should be humiliated as a group to a man and not because of what they did because of what they did after the way that they're playing that's the problem the play it all comes down to go up there and win and today. They're going to get their rennes boo. I can't wait from the five people that are gonna be out there for the afternoon game. I mean i'm sure they're gonna let them add it good game to go they can kinda yeah ran tax free this weekend. Go out there and boo crap out of him. I can't wait. Don't want to go let trying. Yeah exactly. I believe me. I told her the other day. This was even before knowing that my nephew shows conforto. Dude what are you doing what that thing like. Why was he has no idea. It's like his first game releasing as a seven year old as opposed to a baby. I'm like you can't wear that you. I'm walking around with a conforto shirt. You embarrassing me. And i told him how to bow. And you've got these kids get early speaking of young daughters. Linda had his fiancee at the. Us open guys reference to. Did you see in the video couple the autographs. He signed yankee hats. Yeah i understand that means but people do get bothered by that comment back to them and knock guy for people. Do not turn anybody away right now over once tim carbon ones. That went out to outside of shea stadium before we going on a game team. Oh my god. I grew up listening to you. I had a blue mets hat mean. That's the color of the mets at i. Give him that. I go to give him the hat to have. Its on which by the way other people at sonning a blow hat. Who's going to see a blue marker on a blue hat and he didn't sign it. He walked away and did not happens to be interesting. He's on underneath the bill. Whatever like who cares. What's the difference. Just sign the thing as you know. But i'm just referencing lindores. If he did that he could have been a jerk. Now's a good listen. You saw the video. He seemed positive he was smiling. Thumbs up so yes. That's all good stuff. Taiwan walker is going to pitch this first game. Technically to be a relief appearance for him. Because through nine pitches back in april someone shows the poster board with the laughing emojis for him. That's a good idea. Let's go to the game jerry. Come on we're not doing anything actually would love to. I cannot make some signs. i'll go stop and gets come some construction paper along the way and we'll go out there and make some sense. Can we price at close to yeah. I can't sleep. I have the mess of switching cable. Today slipped the usher a couple of bucks get there. At least i used to work back in the day. Yeah yeah i know. Are you one of these guys this ping pong. This killed me to do it. Good luck with that. It's not ed terrible. He'll be fine. It just takes like two three four hours. Yeah and then. You'll be alright. So i'd rather go to the game itself. Well of course. I might stop there on my way home with it. Why am i gonna sit in traffic. Anyway would think about until just now then you have to ten young. My wife older approve home with the baby. Yeah she does the difference the van. I gotta work an extra two hours. I'm sorry she can't get on tv. Anyway it'd be looking for now unless they all check out this clip or listen to this or with the highlights. The cliffnote did you say something about us. No my friend texted me and said you said something about being the best. Why does that true. I'll it must have been talking about somebody else gio. I have no idea. It wasn't me never set. That check never said that. All right taiwan walker game one. 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Yeah so Back when i was about twenty four years old going back there about thirty years Playing for a company softball team did just that rounding third based on. I was gonna score. I went full steam in headfirst. My right hand collided with the catcher. Who was blocking plate his knee and pop my company. Softball game mike. God what's wrong with you. Your head coach actually all of my fault because i bloom the stop sign from a third base coach. Too many things wrong with this one third base coach number two. It's a softball game. You shouldn't be head sliding period and number three. If you're gonna do it you don't slide head first in a home you crazy. I was crazy at the time again. Very competitive that. I was at time obviously learned a very valuable lesson and i think everybody else can to take away from that. The seriousness of looking really happened right. But i i was in great care. I actually got referred to a very very good doctor who actually used to. i believe. Just work with the new york. Yankees and the mets for their pitching staff and Some of the guys Just specific for hand injury and he was affiliated with the hospital for joint diseases and they just they did a phenomenal job was never you know like compromised Once they got through the surgery. I was probably just in the cash for a couple of weeks. Obviously some pain but my handful full range of motion after physical therapy so everything really did work out but again never ever slide head first message in also if We might need to third baseman. So maybe you guys play softball not really more. So when you craig loved it able. He's still chosen. Okay they will you you. You don't partake in that. You know i don't because i so with my problem i have playing baseball or softball is the standing around my my backspin fine in one spot for very long. That's when the back flares up and so a lot of the games we've played on our own turf even worse so i've resulted to resorted to just watching and then coaching third base. Alka interest as these. Have you ever though slid headfirst in any of those awful. Anybody and i know Rick dp hr might of and boomers cousin randy might have pot. Those two guys may the only thing. I was just thinking jaren. His probably should have come to me a little bit earlier earlier. More talking about it. One of the reasons why maybe it's easier to slide head first in the big leagues is because of the clay on these fields of your plane. Con-going it glass chunks in walk. You don't know what the hell is there. Yeah come on that's happened. Unfortunately that's part did play in a third world country island throwing his only these fields were clean drinking. Al would know about this people with their beer bottles all over the place. They don't clean themselves young kids smashing bottles. It's it's a feel you have to clean it up. You're going to get every single piece but at least rocks and stuff like that. It's not like that instead of glass. Glass whatever short. Either way it's gonna it's gonna archer he's kristen manhattan chris. Good morning what's up. Hey guys you know on the whole mexican. I think this reflects five on the players that did it. I think it's the death-knell for real ha's but wasn't before. Because i can't see how anyone you know first of all always clueless about issues and problems and things that affect during. He's never to have any idea what's going on and he doesn't have a pulse of. I think you know like accountability responsibility and to me. It looks terrible on him. I think chris first of all. I do agree because the other day he clearly had no idea what the hell was going on and it was a weird scenario that he spoke first and then rojo spoke after any. I guess he wasn't updated on the one question. I would have and i don't know the answer to this is how much controls the allowed to have. And i i. Don't i don't know i really don't even though he didn't know what was going on in jim duquette brought this up yesterday former mets. Gm you brought this up on baseball night in new york and while yesterday anthony was a great point terry collins in there and he warned aware of it. He was walking to go. Talk to these guys. That's unacceptable if that's the case. And they were doing that and try to show veteran manage. That's that's kind the point now. Now if you had that. I'm not saying terry specifically but he referenced harry. We'll do that for the sake of the conversation. So you have a veteran manager. Terry he says that now guess what oldest and doesn't have to come out and have that press release because the manager the manager just took care of it and that's not a knock on ro hoz but that's what happens when you have an inexperienced managers learning on the job. I think i ever made the point yesterday. You know. sometimes you're second. Shot is a lot better than your first one. Because you know what you didn't know. I'll i sign on that from experience more before the break hector in washington heights. What's up hector. Hey guys how you don't make good morning my friend this guy you'd think fresno you gotta come check out a softball league. I played and gets pretty intensive. See all kinds of kinds of which. I do know that softball can be very intense. The softball players usually for charity. So i understand but guys listen. I i still think you about about this a few times talking about this thumbs down this. I'm serious. you know how many games actor pays a lot of money jerry. Going on almost every game guy who is completely disrespected he. He put gives everything he's got. And you could explain to yourself actor. But i mean every time you call me. I went to the game of going to the game. We'll go into the. I'm going to see him villian coming here and they booed you abayas the actor take that. That's what you get for spending your heart or money right so somebody like i do take it for as someone who goes to so many games and i gotta call i lived. I get booed if i get to three stores. I i lose my job. You guys are still getting millions of dollars. But i wanna say this. I've spoken to a few times after the game. You south central. I stay with my stuff like that. That is a great dude. So we're talking about do that didn't buy into that thumbs down. He actually can go home. Run on sunday. That i was wasn't sure what else he's taking base. He actually gave two thumbs up. I liked that. When i saw that i was like oh and i read. I didn't even watch the game. I've actually playing evans. Basically suddenly little twitter baseball any adverse lining their Actually for me but there was some. Yeah sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. As the way. I see i hear ya argue the thumbs up so they know still buys me that no one stood up and this guy. This is not a good idea to do this but you know what the heck we don't know that and i think we'll we'll find out today because we even heard from everybody. All we've heard from was from a few people on twitter on social media that have sort of defended it. We have not heard from everybody in that clubhouse though there might have been guys like us what we doing right but know that. But it's also and. I don't know jeremy i haven't been in there but i've talked a lot of people who have been a major league clubhouses. Who have been on teams or teams and cover them. There's certain dine. And even you know dating back when i would go from being these clouds. There are dynamics to the clubhouse where there are certain factions of players for him with lynn door. He clearly is the guy as much bias paid well. And he's a veteran so much. We talk about alonzo and maybe him being the face team or degrom. You know the different with an everyday players making that much money. If you're pita lonzo young yes you're more experienced in new york than door are you. Is there a battle for who's house it is. I mean are they. What's their relationship like. We don't really know that's my point. We don't know and we don't know what's happening inside and we don't know which guys think. This is ridiculous right. i'm sure someone on. That team could not believe what was going on or might have been just a surprise as we were when they saw or read or heard the his comments right. That's all which i think we'll find out Later today the covert nineteen pandemic showed us. How microscopic virus could up end our lives. There is so much out there that we need to understand but for every threat there are heroes working at the edges of science and policy to protect us. I'm dr lu-lu el-sayed former detroit help director and host of crooked. 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Stacey Allaster on 2020 U.S. Open Protocols

Beyond The Baseline

31:29 min | 1 year ago

Stacey Allaster on 2020 U.S. Open Protocols

"Everyone John Wertheim here is this week supports. So strata tennis podcast hope everyone is well safe sane and of course, the mass. this week we talk with Stacey Allaster, Stacey, chief executive for professional tennis at the also the tournament director for the US Open, and in this conversation, it's basically Faq. We sort of go through some of the issues pertaining mostly to protocol and policy about Kobe, but we also talk about the social justice messaging that is now permitted on players tire this of course is. A US Open like no weather a lot of improvising a lot of scrambling. We did not think on January first we were going to have the entire field basically getting tested at Marriott every morning. So anyway a US Open like no other. But as of now as we record this on Wednesday, the show is going on I with the Cincinnati Event and then. Staying in the bubble, the twenty twenty US Open. So we talk with Stacey about what this event is going to look like what she anticipates, what the testing protocol is going to be and how to maximize health and safety as we go forward with our second major of the year. So in keeping with this crazy abnormal year we did this on Zoom Stacey was wearing a mask and look to be it. The women's Locker Room at the National Tennis Center and in full disclosure I had to pull over to the side of the road There were cement trucks behind me just like the event in Lexington. So if you're wondering about the connection, that's the answer, but here's the good conversation sort of. Pro. Projecting the twenty twenty s open here is Stacey. Allaster. This is not the conventional pretournament call you're probably used to. Every day is new day with new experiences. Sticking. Usually we we talk about wildcards and we talk about innovations and you and I disagree about coaching. We're we're a little bit damp. Coaching about exactly though I thought, we would just sort of rip through some some QNA in just I. Think a lot of this is Is Probably. Some of this out there in some of this, the players are aware of and some of them this might be news to. But I I've been getting a lot of emails and I suspect you have to and I thought we could just use this time to. Get get a bit of a lay of the land if that's okay. Abby Great John Thank you. You take time to do it. No. I think you know we've we've been talking about this. US Open for for months and months and months. Is that what it is. really March right when the when the global. Sport shutdown. Indian Wells what's going to happen? Here we are. It's we should time to. Its. It is it's Yeah. It's I. Don't know how to explain it. But right now we are in in the moments day five of the bubble official bubble. So It's It's really happening and for so long we just did knows it was happening. It gives us a sense where we're five days in. We are it sale time timestamped this it's it's August nineteenth and. You said about ninety percent of the players have arrived already. Correct and that was the design of the centralized environment and the decision where the decisions to wind moves western southern open to to. New. York. I give the athletes that precompetitive opportunity before a grand slam because they haven't had that opportunity. So. And the you know the the singles in Western southern and then an expanded a qualifying almost getting your full complement were not one hundred percent there. And you've got the athletes have got to be in four days before their first competition and many of them have come early, which which is great so that they they begin to get into this. Bubble world and isolation. Four we. Asked about the testing I I got the dumb I don email about the the social justice apparel in serve exception. Tell me a little bit more about that and where did that decision? What would inspire that decision beside the obvious. I A combination of a it's it's. It's obviously a very significant and important. ISSUE IN OUR COUNTRY And A. Adam silver said. We can't ignore it and the USDA is not going to ignore it. And then we start to see athletes or wanting to. Express themselves around social. Causes. And we got a sneak peek of that World Team Tennis. And so we were proactive. And we went It's both tours and said. Our you going to manage it for your events. And then as you know, it's not permitted within the Grand Slam rulebook. So we then worked with the the Grand Slam chairman. And the tours to to come up with a twenty twenty. exemption to the rule book that would allow athletes at their choice to to express themselves with the classical three inch either a patch on the on the shirt or something on the shoe and so. It's available to them if they if they would like to do that and if it could also. you know Jersey our teacher during the warm up. So there's some flexibility of application. Have you seen any application so far? I have only seen it's on unofficial one athlete of I know who wants to do something on their shoe. But I haven't seen anything official yet. It was there I mean in Lexington there was a black lives matter. Placard, on the sign itch will there be s support. There will be a a number of different. Sunny elements of around Arthur ash stadium and we're doing it also on Louis. Scrimp. Enough anyone on Arthur ash. And that'll range from a social justice causes tributes to first responders and and everyone here in New York get out and play. Original nine. So we're definitely going to have a special open. and hadn't have many elements to it. And I mean, I actually got. Let's get to the testing but I do and I will there be. Traditional sign it in the usual sponsorship we have in your house. There will be a know the traditional sign we we will not have led back walls like we did last year. And we you know similar to what we've seen with the other professional sports. You know there'll be a Scrim for the lower bowl. And then there will be led boards. Around the bowl. To then have our our fans who are watching online or on air, be able to to be part of the show. So this is sort of. The no cardboard cutouts but. No cardboard cutouts you know cargo but everything's been looked at. Did you see the botic drummers Japan, and the Japanese baseball. My favorite I saw those I saw the the Korean baseball. My favorite was the. Weekend at Bernie's skies but feel like we don't mayor Dinkins and bill, Ackman and the cast of characters we need. Out. Like we talked about that, we really did and. But an and the end of the day we we we've decided. No, no cardboard cutouts So so let's talk about testing situation The, the the players arrived. Past, tense and what what happened already. So. As soon as the players arrived. They essentially went right to the medical testing center. And it took about fifteen minutes twenty minutes for the first one just doing some paperwork administrative. The actual administration of the test is very, very quick. the test that we're using as a gold standard tea CR and it's called the PR. Anterior. NARES and the way for us all to understand that it's the one that goes midway up the nasal it doesn't. Go all the way up the nasal Sharon. Genial. We have the benefit of of now a lot of research on the accuracy. Of the anterior nares and the doctors are comfortable is producing the similar accuracy results as the news in general, and it's just a lot more comfortable. especially. When the athletes myself any of us working in Tier One and we're tested frequently so that first test happens and then basically they got a wristband which means they're in isolation and they were you know. Escorted to their rooms and they were. In their isolation until they received an alert that they had a negative result during that that time to give. Your listeners what was it like and what? What was the experience? So Day one at three hundred people check into the hotel on Saturday August fifteen has players and their guests. I'd say there was probably a hundred fifty uber eats orders. And those just kept coming. They weren't permitted to come down and get them. So we had a staff who were running things up. And Chapel say and cheesecake factory were the number one and number two favorites. Athletes love their cheesecake factory I think I saw ubereats did more business than conventional uber last quarter. So that doesn't Yeah. That's just to be clear that the testing was out the hotel, right? Correct all of the testing is at the official player hotel. That's where all the medical services are physio etcetera. We do now have a satellite lab here at the National Tennis Center in the Arthur Ashe area. And that is really meant for The afternoon in those late night matches so that we can do testing, but the primary one is at the hotel and. Had to go to the Long Island. Mary, for the first one, even the players who chose private housing. Correct so even yes. So yes, everyone they've all they've all been through it. Were there antibody tests as well? That was offered was it was not mandatory. And I think I think the doctors were pleasantly surprised that a that a lot of athletes. took up the offer. So what did you do about the players? Who Test we printing your out there, but we can the players who tested positive this summer. Sure. What how were they handled? So. They, they must bring copies of their of positive and recent PCR tests. Some of them sent them in advance. Some of them just brought them and then our infectious disease specialist Dr came in came he's he's right on the floor and he's meeting with the with the athletes. Some of those calls also are happening in advance of the athletes arriving and the protocol. Essentially with a Per New York's New York City from health a previous positive test everyone gets one from a baseline. but thereafter, they will not need to submit to a test. So an athlete who is previously tested positive, their results have been confirmed by. By our medical team they submit one and then they do not have. To further take the. Test. And after that initial test, how often are the players going to be tested now? So the cycle is The first to within forty eight hours. Then after the forty eight hour period every four days. and. That is the same for everyone. And if a player tested positive. Today or this week in theory. They quarantine and still play in the US Open. So I know it's confusing for people as I've learnt a little bit about Cova. If you're infected the CDC guidelines and also for New York state, you have to isolate isolation for a minimum of ten days. So. If so so yes. So then the answer to your question is, yes, it's possible is based on their symptoms. They have to be a fever free for a minimum of four hours without any medication and the doctors don would just have to make an assessment per the CDC treatment guidelines, but it would be possible. I wasn't player who players tested positive, right? Right I mean obviously in a few days that's going to be a moot point if a player test positive. During the event we all know about. The false positive rate do they have a chance to to play let so to speak I, mean do they have a chance to get a second test and try and? No. No so again, a positive is positive. The the standard of our test is highly accurate. There is the possibility but it's very rare. And the government won't allow us. It's an automatic isolation. A positive test goes into the contact tracing they will need to isolate. Which means withdraw from the tournament then they would be withdrawn from the tournament, correct no hey, can i. come back in half an hour and try that again out? No, we can't. We can't and and I think the. The overarching. A protocol mitigation of risk, and we are not going to take any risks. We just can't this virus. You know it's the secret spreader silence redder and if we have a known positive test. And the government takes this lenses well. View. It Positive Isolation. What if my coach test positive but I'm negative? Yes. So in that situation. Really. It will be up to the New York City Department of Health. Because they take over a positive test. Then it is handed to the government to determine Were they practicing social distancing? Were they wearing their masks? What was the period of time that they might have been exposed to that coach? And so there's a there's a lot of variables that then go into that equation and ultimately. They will decide. And In. Addition our medical team in that that event. will also have to weigh in around the risk factor especially, if the contact tracing is taking too long. So again, we can't take any risk. It's really quite amazing to have at the moment. you know fourteen hundred ish PCR task completed. and. At the moment. One positive result. So we're GONNA do everything. We can to continue that trend and keep everyone safe. We there's no, there's not a bubble which I. Think is the root of the problem but we've seen some colleges and universities that have opened in abruptly. Shots because of this high incidence, is there a threshold number where if the US? Open has ex tests. Sorry that the show can't go on I mean. Is there some sort of worst case scenario obviously, but is there some threshold number and if you hit that, you just can't have an event. There's no defined threshold number. Again, it will be up to the New York City Department of Health. For them to make that determination. And even if the city was still comfortable. And the state with US proceeding I also know that are US GE medical advisory group in our board you know we might determine ourselves. that we we we don't want to proceed. So you know I think you've heard one of the fundamental principles mitigation of risk, and we're not going to do this at all costs. And we'll continue to be that'd be the the Lens but ultimately city. in state would collaborate with them and we're not going to you know. Take those types of chances if it's it's at a point that everyone gets uncomfortable. In what's the? What's the punishment what? What's the? What would the penalty? Breaking or, breaching the bubble. Still again, it's it's it's severe if you leave the bubble. And you have you know potentially. Yourself to others who are outside of the bubble. You'll be removed from the tournaments. We cannot again take that risk We know that it can take an average of. Five days for the virus incubate and we can't have somebody that decided to go to starbucks or go to bar and. And they come back in, it's just were not gonNA put. Other people's lives at risk because we had someone that has decided to. To leave the bubble. One of your colleagues have suggested a few weeks ago to me but it was all just a casual conversation that maybe there was even some sort of disqualification from twenty, twenty one and anyone that breach the bubble wouldn't be eligible. Where did you come down on that? So you know you've got two categories of tier one guess you have the player. And then you have their permitted guests so whether that be coach trainer Mom, Dad etc.. So for the for the guest. They they're removed from the bubble. They've got twenty four hours to. Get, a flight got to stay in their room. Until they're leaving the can't mix with people. And there will be a financial penalty. And the player's responsible for their guests. On and then lastly. For guest they will not be given a credential to the twenty twenty one us. Open. So that's just for the guests the player. You know being pulled out of the competition is a very significant. And they'll be earning the ranking points from their last round completed. And there will be a very, very significant financial penalty and we're just dotting the I N T on that one. I mean it's is it on the table that they not be permitted to play the following year? That is not on the table. What happens to a I? Mean you hope that the the answer is zero and it it's not a relevant question, but if a player does Test. Positive. happens after that Soon as so we'd had the the the experience of of one positive tests and how it works is a turn my phone on in the morning it's A. Take a deep breath and. The first few days it was going well, and then yesterday I turned it on. So I get an alert. And then that alert Triggers communication process. So then I call the doctor. And we called the doctor and. We Hippo laws and a group that is permitted to know and then the isolation. Process began so immediately. WHO THAT PERSON What Room are they in? Are they sharing a room? And then our doctor in full. Gear went to the room to inform the person pretty shortly thereafter. So they then one one player was taken out or the the. One person was taken out and the other person of sharing the room was moved to a corn gene room because the difference if you're infected. Section equals a minimum of ten days of isolation. The other one negative but they could have been exposed especially in the tight quarters. and. then. CDC guidelines. It's quarantine for fourteen days. Because again, it may take some time for the virus to be manifesting. Itself Right We'll players get you know so so if I were to lose Bickering I lose in the second round to do. I. Need to get tested again before I depart the hotel and fly to Europe. So, we're going to help the athletes and their guests returned to Europe these either testing. It's going to really depend on which country they're going to. Each country has You know maybe a different protocol around the testing. What we do know is that no, they're ATP's working with the Australian government for Kitzbuehl the Italian open has has worked. With their government, the French are working with their government. They're all going to the exact same thing that we went through with our federal government. Professional athletes and their guests fourteen have an exemption to come into the country. And the their fourteen days according is ways because they're really going into an environment, and then we are seeing that countries are wanting either forty eight hours or seventy two hour. PCR test prior to prior to them entering so we'll help them with. To what extent do you think you benefit from there being? Few other pro tennis events that have come off already, and also I don't know if you've picked up some best practices watching you you mentioned the NBA. Baseball's obviously had a rough go of it. What have you learned good and bad from the other tennis events and the other sports that are going on. From the from the. Events that happened I think players that experienced. It can get a level of comfort and that This is this is how it's going to be so that I think was helpful. and. You know even other tennis events that had happened I think about I can tell you. I think it's a tribute to the athletes and to their guests than the tours and us. We've we've learned a lot over the summer. And the fact the fact. That the viruses serious and they should isolate before they come in many were tested before they arrived. and. The key to this whole thing. Is Testing in the frequency. Of testing. Masking distancing. And if we all do that and we continue to do that all we can return to work. We can return to the life. But. You you know you need to be mindful of it. and. So what? Ultimately what what keeps you up at night? What's what's the biggest overarching concern here? I think for me until the last fall is hit. We'll be the mitigation of risk With Cohen It's it's IT'S A. Silent enemy, an invisible enemy, and we can't let up. We can't let up on the mass game we can't let up on getting them to distance. And people will get comfortable I. we should never be comfortable and that is really. The number. One thing. That will keep me up. From the Divi- Raji comfortable What gives you become comfortable sort of I guess ethically I guess would be the word I mean what I mean something clearly click where people said you know what we're. We're okay. Morally ethically doing this what what was it for you? That sort of? Comfortable. Ultimately I'd stay. The medical specialists. that. They. Were more than comfortable that are testing protocols and the operating plan to mitigate. Risk. That this was a you know a plan that. Probably stay for than going. To. The grocery store. And with the economy opening in New York and it's in face four. The final phase of opening that includes professional sport. The, way in which. A New York state all of the healthcare professionals in the in the government officials including the governor. It's now ironic after six months and everyone sort of questioning. Are you serious? You're going to play this in New York? Why not into sunny state, why not in Indian Wells and and New Yorkers all the tribute that we that we are here actually. Going to play Western southern open in the US. Open. I no I, I think it's it's hard perhaps for you to message but I'm happy to do some lifting here. I mean, you know my my gym is opening next week I mean New York is really give people I think overseas he's rates their appalling but the rates were you and I are very different from if you chosen to do this in Orlando or or Indian Wells Let. Me Just give you a catchall to close on which is you know we've gone through twenty. Faq's what else do you want people to know what our misconceptions you want to clear up this is not your traditional pretournament set of circumstances what what what else do you want people to know? All want to know that the players are feeling safe and comfortable, and they're they're genuinely excited. To, to return to play and I would say John There's a sense of community here. I think they all are buying into they've missed tennis. Now, they're here that really wanted to play and compete, and we're all in this together. If we all. Wear the mask, keep our distance our sport. Can Return and I think there'll be a lot of pride for all of us everyone involved in the collaboration with the tours. Of. The government's This is the largest international sporting event. To Return to play to competition since the global shutdown. And the dimensions it can it could. It or other international events and for other tennis tournaments. This would provide confidence and some some clear guidelines to help our sport because of the nature of our sport, it's we need to go from bubble to bubble. And little more difficult with the travel, but travelling is safe and they just have to. To, stick with their their exposure group and forego going out to restaurants and bars, and that's that's the key to this whole thing. To to naive untidy to suggest maybe the sport can collaborate better that we sometimes think. You. Again, that could be A. Mess over lining from this. and has brought. the. You know there'd be the grand slams making adjustments to the rules so that we can. Help players, and and do this event. The tours you know weekly daily calls with ATP and WTI. And their leadership. And there is no way this would be happening. Had it not been for our sport to collaborate? Well speaking of which I appreciate this. I. Hope you know next time we do one of these there will not be the Lexington and I don't see the cement mixers behind me and you're in the locker room with a mask and we're getting You Know Zuma on You know on face I now. We, all sort of wants a normal but I commend you for for getting this far and You know knocking on the the FO wood panel of my car and. Exactly I I wish you well and and thanks for taking the time now. Thanks John. Just, said that positive Karma and and and I know you a great job with your viewers watching and we're our sport is back. US Open is open. So where we go exactly where we go all right I, I, appreciate it didn't the best of luck these next few weeks. Okay. Thanks John Thanks as take yours. All right thanks to Stacey for spending the time and going through that list of questions. Hopefully, that will give some sense of what this event is. GonNa look like when tennis balls are not in play again, we barely needs to be said, but this is a event like no other and credit to the USDA for staging this and getting the thing up. And running and making the necessary adjustments and modifications Here's knocking on wood that it holds in everyone stays safe. So thanks, stacy thanks as always to Jamie La-. Santi are super fantastic producer. We'll have another podcast in seven days. Subscribe Lever of you Stitcher itunes wherever get your podcast, heap the guest suggestions coming and have a good week. Everyone's Day.

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All In: Billie Jean King

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All In: Billie Jean King

"That's what she said is fueled by gatorade. Whatever path you take to greatness. Gatorade is there to fuel it. Greatness starts with g. don't forget to check out. Dc in rc. Featuring ufc legend daniel cormet and super bowl champion ryan clark both louisiana natives as they hang out and kick around the hottest topics from across the world of mma and preview and review the most important fight cards and storylines espn plus subscribers joining espn plus fantasy football league now for a chance to win. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars. Sweepstakes is us only eighteen or older no purchase necessary visit espn dot com slash. Espn plus football rules for full details and official rules welcomed. That's what she said. Was sarah spain a podcast about well. Whatever the hell i want. Actors and musicians athletes comedians. Neuroscientist wine experts. If i find somebody interesting. I'm bringing them to you. We'll talk about how they became who they are how they found success. Battled failures and how they ended up here talking to me. I am billie. Jean king in my dilemma is been time. I'm always running out. And my voice had a sense of urgency. Since i was a baby so now it's real i mean real real. I mean it's always felt real but now crazy real being. I mean i'm seventy seven so i'm like ticked off that i'm not twenty or or seventeen. I love these. But i like these seventeen and have all this knowledge and all this experience and then let's go change that keep changing. Well billy. i can't imagine how it must feel in your seventies and for someone as accomplished as you are because i already feel that way now And you know at the deepest levels. I felt that especially last year during the conversations. Post george floyd That sort of combined with my reaction to reading glennon. Doyle's untamed there was just so much swirling in my head about the ways that i'd been conditioned to see race or gender all sorts of other things and the ways the systems of our society were built to hold back the marginalized and keep white men in power to limit women and people of color and lgbtq plus people people have certain religions all the ways that we've sort of been discouraged from asking questions digging deeper were seeking change from the way things have always been done and i wanted to go back to being a teenager. I wanted to be armed with my thirty. Something a piff unease about life about inequalities and injustice and it made me angry that it was taking me so long to get around to really better understanding these things to listening to the right people to reading the right things and it made me so frustrated on behalf of the people who are doing the work every day to make change in terms of equality across gender race religion. Everything else that. It feels like each generation. Some has to start fresh. There is a movement forward every day And that is reflected when these bursts of news or moments violence or otherwise sort of get us really invested in talking about it again. But it's not enough. We still take those steps back and restarting spaces. That we shouldn't have to go back to and part of that. Is generations learning about these things later in life and then the system and society. And the way we've always done. Things is indoctrinated whole nother generation of young people until they age into releasing things for what they are and i wish we could start younger so man it is just so difficult for people to see that endorsing the status quo pushing back on a change. That's wanted reacting negatively to the people who looked to open up your eyes now for better. That's as much of an agenda as the activists in change makers that are so often painted as rebellious or outrageous or even unhinged her unwell. Just for having an agenda that calls for change and wanting to rethink what's always been done People who want the status quo have as much of an agenda. We just don't know how to talk about the same way that choice to be neutral or silent and support. What is instead of what could be we just. We don't address it. And you know also heartbreaking in terms of time is. There's just not enough time to read all the books or here all the music. See all the places meet. All the people taste all the foods. So i have to say i don't. I don't have a solution for our lack of time but i do have some perspective on it and i would say we. We suffer from the blessing of being optimistic and happy enough to see every minute on this earth as a gift and to wish for endless more of it and you know for some people life is about powering through even though you know there's inevitable suffering and pain and and through no fault of their own a lot of people Life is really hard and so it's about finding the joy to keep you pushing through and for the lucky ones. It's about the joy of every moment and empowering through even though you know there's endless moments of happiness we won't have time for and what a great gift to want for more So no solution but just perspective. That's what she said. I usually keep my guest bios. Pretty short But i want us all the truly recognized. The accomplishments of this week's guest. Billie jean king you can hear the name of course conjure up all of the winds and acclaim and activism. But i guarantee you. There are things that would top anyone's resume the very top of their resume. That you don't even know. Billie jean king can boast So here's the short version. It's still quite long but she deserves it named one of the one hundred most important americans of the twentieth century by life magazine two thousand nine recipient of the presidential medal of freedom. She's the founder of the billie jean king leadership initiative founder of the women's tennis association wti founder of the women's sports foundation part of the ownership group of the dodgers sparks an angel city f c. In september of twenty twenty. She became the first woman to have an annual global team. Sports event named in her honour when fed cup. The women's world cup of tennis was rebranded as the billie jean king cup. The national tennis center home of the us open was renamed. The usda billie jean king national tennis center in two thousand six in two thousand seventeen. You saw the film battle of the sexes. Depicting the cultural and social impact of her match with bobby riggs in two thousand eighteen. She were served a lifetime. Achievement award is part of the prestigious bbc sports personality of the year awards. Two thousand nineteen her California roots were recognized with the billie. Jean king main library in her hometown of long beach. Twenty twenty she got her own barbie doll as part of the mattel inspiring women series. Twenty twenty one. She received the laureus lifetime achievement award. She's on the board for the women sports foundation. She's an adidas global ambassador. Pass member of the board of the elton john aids foundation pass member of the presidential council on fitness sports nutrition and she has a new book out now today written with john howard and marianne vollers called all in an autobiography. I didn't even touch on so many other things. I could one of the greatest tennis players of all time. A true change maker a legend ledge and we could have talked forever Her memory incredible the color of reverse tennis racket dates of important moments remembering a twelve years. Old this epiphany that she had about the elitist and racist patriarchy of the tennis world and why she wanted to change it We also talked about how. Our ex-husband larry king. Who is not that. Larry king was able to help her see the inequities for women and fight for more at a very young age. How coming to terms with her sexuality and coming out with so difficult for her things you've never heard like her desire to be best friends with snoop dogg and the former number one. R&b song that she inspired. Her book is over. Four hundred page long so you know that this interview could have gone on for hours. We got him what we could fit in. Hope you enjoy it. That's what she said. Let's start at the beginning. I know you grew up in a family that was really into sports. He actually played football growing up But i read that. Your mom wanted you to try something more ladylike. We're playing football on the front you know. And we played in the street in those days a lot And so she said billy. Would you come in here please. To the house i go okay. I walk in. She is. I don't want i was about. I think eleven. Maybe anyway i'm right about in there. She's i don't like football anymore. What why not because. I wanted to be a lady at all times. And i go. What what does that mean. Well you know. I said no mommy. I don't know so she couldn't really answer either. So anyway i Stop playing football to keep her happy in maybe it was a blessing in disguise. And you know. Susan williams hadn't asked me to play tennis fifth grade who sit right next year. Data just been transferred. Thank thank you. Thank you god And she said you wanna play tennis. And i said what's tennis because i grew up in team sports. I love basketball. I loved softball So we went out and played. You know at her country club. And i'm thinking oh this is nice. My dad's a firefighter. No way. I'm going to be claimed glove but i well i guess maybe if we come to the club we can play. I was kind of disappointed in a way. Because i'm really liked it. One thing i realized in tennis in about five minutes i can hit. You know like. I can touch the ball. You know. eighty to one hundred times where playing shortstop at a softball game. I don't touch the ball often. And it's kinda like singles really. It's the pitcher against you. Know against the hitter. It's very interesting. Actually i wanna. I wanna watch baseball. I see a singles and a team situation a little bit there. Oh yeah same time. But it's also tennis's team for as well as an individual and. I don't think people realize it enough. So anyway. Thank thank you out playing softball game Susan and i plan on a softball team out at out and bark and she kind of you know. I took billy out the play tennis. You know like in. She says really she you know they give free instruction here every tuesday and now like all three instruction. Now we're talking so run. Go home daddy day. Mommy i want to get a racket. You know kinda just loved. This is so much fun at so many ball. My dad's is yeah. And i said well. Can you get me racket. Can you buy my dad says well. How's that going to happen. I said well. You won't buy me racket and i no. Did you figure it out you. You're telling me like it. You like it a lot even love it. Well show me you know. Show us basically so thank god. The neighbors were so sweet they gave me dimes. Nickels quarters to do around their yards. Or whatever you know pseudo jobs for sure and and i got eight dollars and twenty nine cents in this. You know mason jar up in the cupboard nice. I couldn't wait longer. So i had my first racquet. It was a wilson that was wine colored purple but. Yeah it's one of my favorite colors. Put those your blues pinks purples purple love so my first racquet head of felt purple handle and remember all from well known and had a white than had purple and purple strings and i slept with it on sunday night at free instruction like that's such an incredible thing phreatic potentially yet to have that opening to something that became such a love for you. Come from that but i also. It's funny that your mom wanted you to be lady like to play tennis because then Not long after that you were age. Eleven or twelve. You weren't allowed to be in a group picture because you were wearing shorts instead of a skirt. And i saw that. Your mom had actually sewed the shorts for you so as she was that a choice that you didn't want to wear the skirt or was she halloween uno about no. It just didn't we're not. We weren't tennis. We weren't tennis basketball. No the rule or we knew had to be all white and my mother did a great job. She made beautiful shorts. And we go up there. And we're you know adhering to the rules you know. Wipe all white. I was wearing and that was the first day when we went to this big tournament. It's where you start getting. It was a los angeles says which is the mecca of southern california tennis at the time and it was a southern california championship which is a huge tournament in section. And that's the first day. I saw tennis skirts and tennis dresses. I want oh mom. Look look at these dresses. Look at these skirts. And then he said okay everybody get ready for the photo and then they would let me be in it. Well i'm a child who had not been around. And so arthur ration. I used to talk about. Arthur ash humanitarian and was number one in the world for a year or two but he and i used to talk about this ad nauseam about how to make your sport hospitable. That is number one and i experienced something. That wasn't very hospitable. And i you know. I i'd already decided I wanted to be number one. When you know that first time i went out to to get instruction with clive walker. At the end of that day i decided i wanted to be the number one tennis player in the world. So that was that then. My mother goes. That's nice to have homework well and jerry's kept my brother. Meet grounded when you were five. You're washing dishes and said i'm going to do something great with my life so it's interesting that you at these young ages like there was some big ambition and dream that was bigger than the space you were in of and i think i'm starting to put together. I was gonna ask you at the age of twenty four. You were already so verbal and critical about the elitism of the sport and that i guess stems from that very early experience of realizing that those who maybe don't understand it a weren't accustomed to it might feel unwelcome. That's the constant Challenge you want. Yeah you wanna make sure that those experienced do shape your life. There's no question but at twelve years old. I had my tiffany which really shaped entire life. And i was sitting at the los angeles tennis club daydreaming kind of in the day and i started noticing that everybody could play. Tennis was Y know wear white shoes like close. By ball's everybody play with white. And i said where's everybody else. And i didn't really affected by watching television. Where like ruby. Well this is after actually bitches was nineteen sixty but even before when the little rock nine couldn't go to class versus education. I mean all these things in our. I'm living in long beach. California and watching this on television and television was the first huge equalizer. 'cause whether you're a poor child or rich out most people eventually at a tv or go your neighbors tv. That was a big big deal. And you'd see these things and you just knew it was right. You know. I say to my mom that why. Why can't they go to school. What's i don't understand the filing of course wakeup call my desert. Because they're negro. I said you mean because of their color said yes said. I said i don't understand that that is to me is just ridiculous so anyway i'm i'm at twelve and this adjust started playing tennis and i just asked myself where everybody else and i promised myself that day on. Never forget it. That i would fight free polity the rest of my life. I just that was going to be an. I knew i was so lucky to be in tennis. Because it was all over the world though it wasn't just in the us. And i knew. I just knew as a child. That was an extra to have that that this wasn't just this is all over. The world gets drought. If i'm good enough. And i knew i had to be number one especially as a girl because people do not listen to women so i i knew already as a you know eleven twelve thirteen year old that we were second class citizens and then my sisters of color have it worse and i thought wow so much to do in this world. Let's go but i knew tennis was the ticket and i knew i was very lucky. That i the god gave randy meeting coordination that we had the way had parents who did not do gave us time and space. They were the opposite of helicopter. Parents right. I know but there's too many of them that's why they are. Don't succeed are so it's interesting. We're talking about across everything everything. Yeah graham helicopter. And now the snowplow parents were the no which is just as bad today. Many small business owners are busier than ever time spent searching for an interviewing the wrong candidates for a job. Opening could be time better. Spent growing a business. That's why lincoln jobs has made it easier to get to the candidates worth interviewing faster and it's free create a free job post in minutes on lincoln jobs to reach your network and beyond to the world's largest professional network of over seven hundred fifty million people focus on candidates with the skills and experience. 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Then there are other days you just have to get in the gym and see some gains to put all the reps and get stronger each day but whatever path you take to greatness. Gatorade is there to help fuel that journey because greatness starts with g. You know i i think you also reinforce that idea of being second-class or understanding the things that you would need to change. Not just for issues of race but of gender and you talk about you met your husband. Your ex husband larry king in the library at college. you credit him a bit with your feminism. Because he said to you. I'm here on a scholarship. Because i'm a man and you're not because you're you're the best known person in the whole school and you're the that the whole school and this is ridiculous and i and i. He just reinforced and put it in crystallized it so clearly That this is what the heat this. Those ridiculous biochemists major. So he had to two grants or scholarships or whatever. We're calling those days because this is pre title nine people. I don't know people know out there. Title nine is what changed everything For we for the first time. We got athletic scholarships more than that. It was the first time they got rid of classroom. Quotas for women before nine hundred seventy two like if you want to go to. Harvard is a doctor. They only allowed five percent of the class to be women. So it's like whoa so they that knocked down the doors and the in the reasons because of money and this while you'll notice a lot of ivy leagues and other schools went co ed in the seventies is because when the federal government gave these schools money for the first time they had to spend it equally on women and men and so the schools who are single gender said. Whoa we don't want to miss out on fifty percent of that money So we're gonna go co ed and that's why you have law schools and today that used to be single gender are now coed is because of title nine so that changed everything in the classroom. That's why we have more women in college and university is because nine hundred seventy two title nine. So i was pre title nine baby so i was working two jobs and going to calculate whereas arthur ashe had a full scholarship. Ucla stan smith who was also number one eventually at a full scholarship to southern california. And you didn't see anybody bellyaching or standing up for us or worrying about us now if been reverse. Can you imagine if. I had the scholarship. Arthur and stanton. Can you imagine the ruckus. Oh my god well gonna ask about that. Because that's one of the things that so impressive to me about you. And that i want to learn from because as a woman who works in a male dominated field as a woman who like you is a co owner of an n. Wfl team you guys down. Yeah we went. Angel starts rivals but for now. Appreciate your spot. Yeah but we're all together which is great. I want more and more women to invest. That's why long my partner. I invested in the football and we also are part of the dodgers. So what else right. The elliott works too. Yeah barks too. And i'm from where i'm from. Long launched from south africa and she was number one in the world than doubles really great business person very good sales very good at putting things together. But we want to invest more and more in to Women owned businesses and also may own businesses. Let's the dodgers is very male owned in fact we're probably getting the room. Yeah if we're we're the only women directly unless your wife of the guys but those wives are very one of them particularly fantastic involved so wanted to ask about that. Because as i'm t- to your point about time and your dilemma. It does feel like when we could talk about conversations of race and equality and lgbtq a there is a recycling of some of the same fights generation after generation and people go and and you move the conversation further with each step. So that you're starting place is hopefully ahead of where it was before. But you do feel like you're starting over. And as i'm fighting these fights i feel like it's so long overdue and yet there's people that are just so angry about the idea of women being in these spaces and places so i i. I'm curious how before title nine before women's professional sports leagues were thing before it was even really accepted for women to be ambitious athletes. What was inside of you or maybe. What were you raised with her to. What do you attribute your ability to look at the landscape and say i don't really give a shit if this exists yet or if anyone else is going to be in the fight with me i'm going to do well. It's not an. I think it's really a we think because you can't really do it alone especially big changes. I need it as a group. But then that's where you as a person go out and lobby and get the people with you and they help shape your ideas because they also have great information you have thought about so you come up with better idea because you get input from a lot of different Sources so No i it's that twelve year old Like we were amateur tennis. I hate the word amateur. If you're going to get paid and we were getting fourteen dollars a day or twenty eight and then sometimes we get money under the table. So i got in trouble because we fought firm or i did and i was yelling because by now number one in sixty like sixty six sixty seven. We went pro tennis. Start in sixty eight a so Espn hasn't started yet. That was seventy. Was that seventy five seventy six. I was pretty much finished by the time. They got started But no it was a long haul but it was getting people together in. It was a lot of sources. But there's something out on audible call the dollar rebellions about the nine of us. Nine recall original nine. We just got inducted into the hall of fame tennis international tennis fame last week and rats that was so great because all we had seven out of nine there and all of us are still alive but the thing is we are the we are the reason. There is women's professional tennis today. We are the reason. Tennis is the leader. We're still relevant that moment when we signed a one dollar contract with salman who is published her tennis magazi- without that moment when his tennis would not be worried. Is the reason osaka naomi who's playing you know. She's the reason she made. Fifty five million dollars last year is because of that one dollar contract okay. i it's totally connected. Okay quick aside here We'll get right back to the interview for those who aren't familiar with the original nine and that one dollar deal in short billy and eight other players signed with publisher and promoter gladys helmet in nineteen seventy to form a separate women's tennis tour which led to the founding of the women's tennis association in nineteen seventy-three and it was then nearly fifty years ago that billy successfully pushed the us open to start offering equal prize money to women a half century ago again. I'm telling you this woman was demanding. What was fair and equal you. Look at tennis. you'll get the way. Women are embrace supported beloved or an equal if not bigger at times to the men and meanwhile the nc double a. is still trying to defend undervaluing. The women's college basketball tourney by one hundred million dollars a year. I mean back to that time thing we talked about. I wish that billy was seventeen again. So she could spend another lifetime pushing for that same parody inequality across all sports like she didn't tennis. It's unbelievable anyway back to the interview. Alana naira working in other sports. Our company billie jean king enterprises also doing deion i for companies which were doing a lot trying to go in and look at the culture of companies for instance at work Forty six percent of you know our my community engagement of the lgbtq. Plus you know a. I whatever it's like forty six percent of it still are in the closet at work and if you cannot be your authentic self you don't get as much done. You're always tense. I mean i was tense. I had a terrible A terrible journey with my sexuality was terrible. It was like. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy and now today when people come out celebrated and i'm like hey i'm so excited because finally it's okay. It wasn't okay. I got i got killed. I lost all. My sponsorship was called horrible. I was. I lost a lot of money. I lost a lot of money. That would not happen today. In fact probably would make money today so because of it. And so i love it you know now. I make money because i'm a lesbian. Sometimes i think we need a win for the lgbtq community. Come in dog do a conversation. And if you wanna look at look at my journey versus every you know. Each person's got their own journey. That it was terrible and it. Can you imagine the the generations before me and the people shoulders. I stand on. I can't i just can't fathom how hard it must have been. I don't want to ask about that. Because i was reading that it. It wasn't even really your your choice right so two things was a well. You're you're you're i'll tell you i was outed. But yeah or that. During the seventies when i was trying to figure things out i was told if i say one thing we will not have a tour Okay so when you're told you're not even going to have a women's professional store if you start to speak out that's that's not just about me anymore. That is about all of us. So i had that as well coming at me. Plus the culture of the time was not very accepting in fact not at all in fact even the psychologist psychiatry community. didn't say we're okay until like about seventy five. I think in the book. Eighty four seventy five in. There have gotten my book So we weren't considered okeydokey or considered like something wasn't right or deviant. That's such an incredibly personal thing to come to terms with and then to wanna share with people and i and there were two moments in your life. That really stood out to me. That weren't your choice. One was your your husband sharing with ms magazine that you had had abortion yet comes out in the magazine as as this female empowerment thing. But it wasn't your choice to tell them that and then a decade later. You're still dealing with this in that you become the first prominent female professional athlete to come out but not because of choice because of an issue with the former girlfriend who was you know a lawsuit or whatever so now you have these two incredible moments where you're publicly talking about things that there's going to be a lot of consternation and and perhaps criticism and neither were by choice. How do you have the strength to react in those moments and and take control of your own story with difficulty. I probably still try to figure that out. Sometimes just I think it was meant to be. And i wanted to use it in a positive way. I wanna use my native experience in a positive way like trying to help people come out on their own terms and trying to a person should only come out with ready to come out and that should be it now to be there for them and support them as one thing. But i would never out somebody. I would never force somebody out because it's very personal deep thing into some kids. Oh it wasn't that hard on. I'm thinking that's great. I'm not gonna wonderful. I think it's wonderful and But he lives. You know our trans what they're going through. I just go crazy with that. That's another challenge. The women's sports foundation which i founded nineteen seventy four is very much Trying to help girls and women's sports at the local level as well as issues in the trans issue right now Of having trans athletes be able to participate. Now it's it's tough because trying to do the right thing. What's what is right. And so i'm talking. You know conflict talking to scientists. I don't think we know enough yet about this far as sports But the point is my what i want for. Our trans community is that they get a chance to play right including compete with. Start one. Just fine away. And because of all the prejudice out there and these stupid state laws So i'm i just spend an hour and a half on the phone today lawn and i did with sports not nation got people that are that are in the know in this area because i'm constantly trying to learn because i know i don't know enough i'm totally ignorant and all these different issues and i keep trying to learn and so that was really great. Just listen we listen to trans woman du maurier. We must scientists. We listen i. Don't you know. I just know bottom line every person every trans person every to have a chance to compete in play just like we did with ahead head of. That wasn't a safe. But but even we had rene rick with rene yeah dog greatly criticised from your peers. Chrissie evert and martina navratilova. And you said at the time all women should stick together and that's an seventy-seven there are people would argue against saying all women about a trans woman. And you were doing it in the seventies and i'm drew. Is it difficult for you now. Because i actually. I've really loved the way. The women's sports foundation has reacted actually. Did a podcast myself with Experts in the field to better get out the truth about especially youth transportation. All the rice equivalences at all the statistics that are based on nothing but martin advertised as part of a group that i think is doing really damaging work where they think that they're operating on behalf of female athletes and women's sports. What they're doing so in a way. That's incredibly detrimental to the trans community and is based really on a lot of fear mongering and not statistics. That difficult for you to see yet is difficult. I i even called martina. And i said martina just think we should back off just a little and learn more but i totally respect your opinion. I don't agree. I don't know what. I think you may be right. You may be right. I don't know the point. Is i want every person every transportation everybody to have a chance to compete and play just like you just like. We started women's professional. Tennis with jew. And chris evert were fantastic and helped us so much but also were the first generation of it was therefore you And i don't tell her that because she knows that i don't go into. That don't have to tell her all that. But i'm just saying this for our audience is that They were our first generation of professionals. We're the transition generation. That took tennis from amateurism to professionalism. Were the ones the original nine. Plus all the other women than people and men who tried to help so i said this is a little bit like that. It's that we need. I think we all need more information. And i wanna listen to trans athletes. I want listen to trans people. They are the ones experience it now rene along with martina. Dr richards And she's she's my off bala just by the way andy is my smallest. She's eight she's retired basically with still works one day awaiting in upstate new york so we still go to her and we love her. She's a great friend Which she went along with you. I'm not so sure. She really looked. I don't know. I don't know but she said well. What five and younger and you've got to you have to be off of this You go through this transition lease for years to be. You shouldn't do that just well. i've been younger. I would have killed all of you. You know i would have beat you so badly. And i'm like i'm listening. This is so. I'm listening because i'm always trying to learn. I don't know what the right answer is. I do talk to a scientist katrina. What's in carson in san francisco. I'm always asking. How's it going. But they've done studies quite frankly where men who have won. Gold medals at the at the olympics would would be considered on their testosterone levels with considered female. So i think the the howie mental the the metabolism a just austrian the metabolism of every other part of us it. I think there's way too much testosterone as the ultimate decider in someone's ability and science case. Otherwise yeah well. I didn't actor but it's not It's not a it's rail right right and also we only assign that arbitrary number to decide when a woman has passed over into no longer being woman enough to compete. We never care. A man has enough natural testosterone when everything it's because we want to set barriers what women can achieve but we're always amazed and delighted at the heights that men can reach with women. It's always the be right. Something must be wrong. Let's go and we so people wanna keep us down a lot and they shouldn't do that because you know the the brain power the the greatest natural resource we have any country. Any place in the world. Don't ever ever exclude fifty percent of the population. That's just dumb. And now we we're we live in a non binary worlds. I can't even say it in that way in percent so every time i say wait a minute. That's not quite right either but all right. We're learning. we're learning that of the key. We'll get right back to the interview. But first what's your favorite word. One of my favorite words freedom. If you knew by history would know that. I have freedom and a lot of things like i love credit. Scott king's saying about freedom has never really one. It's it's one and earned or earned in one in every generation. Yeah how however generation has to just keep fighting for freedom because wits freedom. There's a whole lot of responsibility. Which i think a lot of people forget you. Don't say oh free. I don't oh i'm free enough to wear my mask really yet. You pretty much nailed that. There billy the mic drop on the on the favorite word freedom to great word From the old english power of self-determination state of free will emancipation from slavery deliverance You set a lot. And i would add only it is a word not to be co opted by those who forget that there's responsibility in freedom. Every choice you are free to make has consequences for others to. It's an important part of freedom. Speaking a great words today the word of the week is shout out to at a dubs junior on twitter for bringing me this week's magic word of the week capitalism a word that changes its meaning. And sometimes it's pronunciation when the first letters capitalized. So for instance couple examples march capital m. is the third month of the year whereas march lower cases the action of walking briskly in rhythm or walking in protest Lower case lent is part of the verb lend. A capital lent is a period just before easter. A hamlet is a small town capital. Hamlet a play by william shakespeare. You get the picture. Maybe another example polish capital p. Somebody from poland lower case polish the action of shining the surface of something or the substance use to shine it which leads me to a true story which also happens to be the word in a sentence not yet aware of the existence of contra names. Young sarahspain asked her mother. If they're polish cleaning lady would be offended by the bottle of polish remover on the bathroom counter. Now let's get back to the interview. Let's go back to that word. You mentioned freedom because it's not just about freedom for yourself it's about how you choose to use your freedom and what choices you can make to help others right. As children grow up. Wants them to think. I'll be on themselves. And that's in some ways i. It's so interesting with social media. How branding has become so important. And that's the word i mean. Some of the people i listened to. It's is this and i won. That and i did this. I'm like excuse me. I know you're telling me about your bran but i need to know something else. Besides what are you want. what do you want for the world when you want. I hear what you want for yourself. So it's very good but on the other hand because of social media and the kids are so great young people think about others a lot. I mean look at the protests. Look at the. You know the inclusion of the protest because of social media. Because people. I mean when i was their age we didn't have that we had to get the media on our sides. We had nothing and even this day to this day. Ninety five percent of the media controlled by men so it's tough at the traditional. So but i'm very thankful to the traditional media to the photographers. The tv people the broadcast people. Be you know Just everyone you actually told our story when we're starting the women's professional tennis and if we didn't have that we wouldn't have made it so very indebted to them as well. I often talk about that. Actually that there's Obviously so many drawbacks to the internet. But one of the better ones One of the better things about it is it removes the necessity of gatekeepers at every level of what gets hurt and the stories get told because it isn't up to editors of newspapers or program directors at radio stations to decide who gets a voice. Because if your voice is loud and strong enough it'll get amplified by the rest of the people and that allows some of those people who have not been heard from before and to your point does not require the the people in the mainstream media. But it's hard. Yeah well the hard part is getting it known of so much information. Now in so many podcast. So many there's so many that Who do i listen to. I've only got twenty four hours a day. What is your and i'm in. Unfortunately i'm interested in so many things. I'm like a god. I wish i weren't sometimes. I wish i was just like okay. I only care about x. I don't care about anything else is like i care about your also right but and that's why you're dilemmas time because there's only so much time to read all the books and learn all the things and help all the people and make all the change to takes all of us. That's the deal that's what leadership's about the followers choose leaders leaders. Don't choose followers. So i think a lot of times people think about that. I don't know about you if you think back over your life. Because i reading your life in some my gosh your jock. Your tv personnel. And everything i mean. I'm like this girl's by you. Play different sports. Which is what. I did as a child. I know you've played softball and volleyball and basketball on you. All these i mean basketball is my first love and my dad was really good. I have a younger brother. Randy moss To play twelve years of major league baseball. so i don't know multifaceted could be good. It also can feel like there's never enough time if i could just say on the podcast. Is that when a woman leads. She leads for everyone. And i'm sick and tired of when we lead. Sankey what you've done for women's tennis. Thank you done for this. No i appreciate their intention. I totally get it. And i totally appreciate it but no we lead for. Everyone just like a guy does or transportation or winter. Everyone leads for everyone when they lead. So i i think we'd ever get that to change and i think at espn. I'm sure that's one of the tough things that you have to deal with them. There's very few women really at espn compared to the guys. I know so i think. Espn's hold hopefully will change slowly while fast actually will start cared compared to everybody else but still lots of work to be done right. Yeah lots look better numbers but we just did it. We just did a. I was just we just did our Our humanitarian awards the other night. Yeah we've got through one of which is named after you. Yes on the only girl on. I keep saying you guys can't. I'm down another one. So i want to ask about because like i was going through your mind. There's there's just a million and like you we just talked about. You're the first woman to have. You know the espn humanitarian word named after your first to coach a coed team in pro sports i to be a commissioner in professional sports history to win. Us singles titles on all four services to read. Reach the the you know. Get the presidential medal of freedom. It's just like an endless array. You could go on and on and on but i read an interview with you all the way back in one thousand nine hundred forty and you said you remembered how nice it was to be number one and you're only regret is you had too much to do off the court and deep down. You wondered how good you could have been at tennis. You've just gotten to concentrate on tennis. Do you still feel that way. Because i it doesn't feel like you're you regret it all the work that you've done but but to the point of time. Maybe you wish you could have cloned yourself and had one that focused on the tennis and one. That did all the other stuff. Exactly right perfect. That's exactly right Well chris ever really sweet choice talks about how often i would go to a sponsor meeting in the morning and then play a match in wonder why wasn't hundred person and cheap cheap played me in philadelphia when you're after the match eagles something are you. Okay that's great. And then she found out later from pugh. Oh you know. She was in new york today. Trying to bring home sponsor for all of us and then she took the train down here and play june. She went oh my god no wonder okay so so. Chris has been really very sweet martina tho. Those two did help so much because when they came along their rivalry just cemented women's professional tennis. They were amazing and they took the game to another level I'd wanna talk about what i like. I was on pretty good in the seventies. The mediating could care. Less about what. I was eating what i was doing. But then you go if you fast forward ten years when that martinez during his thing and they're going. Oh my god. She's revolutionized all think but no but the media the people are ready to hear it too but martina was such a great jock. She's definitely the best singles doubles and mixed player. Ever do live. She's left handed which caused a lot of people challenges. But i i like left you. I go into my strength but Most people do not And fewer left-handers in those days than there are now in the winter. So you didn't see. This is often the office of everything. I think it was martina that you were talking about. You said you were watching her and thinking well. That was nice when i was number one. And i'm looking. How great she has. You had all these other focuses which to your point. You're talking about doing the meetings it's up. I was amazed to learn after all these years. I never knew that your battled. The sexes with bobby riggs was like in the middle of another tournament. You i mean it was. It was the day before another match. It was not its own special things so beyond the actual physical tennis you had to play. It was the pageantry and the emotional energy of being brought in on the you know the the men carrying you on a on a on a thing and and all the other egyptian literally call illiterate litter. That's the word. I don't think of it but i want to ask about the mental pressure of that because the upside of that was huge and the downside was let me just walk right in and prove to everyone what they think about women that we're less than and we can't. How did you steal yourself for something. That could have gone so poorly well. This happened in one thousand nine. Seventy three and half in september twenty thousand nine hundred seventy three and seventy three was very pivotal year in our sport. The managers started their association the year before. We finally got our women's tennis association. Yes four days. Before wimbledon. And bobby follow me around for two years bugging the heck out of me to play. I say i don't have fun trying to make the women's tour happen that because we make lots of money. I it's not about money for me. Don't you understand about history it's about. It's about developing something for the future and he goes Let me go. And so anyway he went. He started he went to chris. Everything went to nancy. Richey went to these other players and finally margaret court australian that i'll play because the money was good so today with sound like a pittance but then it sound like a ton in so i was in the elevator with when she told me she was going to play him. And i gulped. And i said margaret margaret margaret margaret. This is not a tennis match. this is cultural. it's about social change. It's about you have to win. I remember this is the elevators you've got. I gotta say these really quickly because it's only five stories right so she gets out to go get a transportation car just gonna tell you have to win this batch okay. She is okay while talks. She got killed on mother's day. And i said to larry my former husband at the time i said larry. She's not gonna lose. She should kill him. Okay she should but if she doesn't if there's at one percent chance she doesn't i do have to plant. I won't have a choice because he's making so much noise. Sure she loses badly I said and i just said can we wait until after. Someone's over. Because i want to get through that and then we can announce it so. That's what we did. It's in the book actually if you read it. I'm looking forward to reading it all. It's called all in it's called all in and it's like i put four years into it with different people marian bowlers. John had howard. Who you might know. Works reiner and also others in the research we have. We had a full time researcher for four years. I mean it's we're still finding out things after we. You know like that should have been on the books right. Everybody talks about that. But anyway there's a lot and then we had about nine hundred pages when we get down to four hundred and some so gosh try to really get the essence iron but no no. No no. it wasn't about this. What did you want to say what what was the last one was like nineteen eighty or something. Eighty no eighty three or something. No this is about my life up to now And it's also. I'm putting the time not someone's just writing about so. This was really putting. I didn't put time in with frank ford. I did put some time in with kim Chapman he was great. But that was nineteen seventy four. And i just finished the rigs match. I had so much life after that so now this one was the labor of love. I put for years of just off. We'd take week. I'd take weeks months putting time and effort on this and trying to get it right because you really want the and i keep thinking if we help one person if this one person be more comfortable in their own skin or is held gives somebody an idea or this for the future because everything is future generations. Everything i did with bernie tee up for the teacher generations just like with the women's sports dacian that just getting at teed up but then what do you do. We've given. i think close to one hundred million dollars in grants already and we do something with. Espn w Sports for life those. That's just for girls of color because we know they need more help so we concentrate on that as well So we do a lot of our billion king leadership initiative we go. We give out money. We gave out money to frontline workers. We just quickly made a million and just gave it right out to them but we go to companies. We do d. d and i And try to help those companies. That's what we really do. As as a company as a as a profession and alana runs out and we have great people and a lot more to add because like you said not only did. Have you done all these different things after your tennis career was over. But you were fifty one when you finally felt comfortable talking to your conservative religious parents about your sexuality and you've talked about what a toll it takes on someone to not be their authentic self and that a lot of it was not just self preservation in terms of your own mental health. And how you dealing with the shame that you felt but preservation of your efforts and a concern that who you loved might affect your ability to get progress for women's tennis women athletes all that stuff athletes out. We really earned that sport. We try to help all sports but in time. So now it's been twenty plus years since you came out and you able to acknowledge your true self and your relationship with the lawn and everything else. Is there a pivot point after which you feel like okay. Now that i've leaned into this true self. It actually is helping me or do you still come up across barriers in the worker trying to do with people who are a- reticent to work with you because of your sexuality you never know because they never talk about you have to kind of feel it and you. I know i could be wrong. But yes i would say. Sometimes people say less and less. Now it's it's very in fact people business right now say you know black lives matter which i love and i've got stick stuck on my caps in my hand lane and everything on that Now they're saying it's it's kind of calming down from a commercial point of view to now it's the lgbtq. I a. plus community. Okay so i think there's a huge amount of opportunities For for our group to do well. We're on tv now which you know routine okay. Here's a perfect example. Repea- no and bird never that is. I'm so happy i celebrate. Every time i see them one of them are either of them. Were both together because they are the epitome and then also are women of color with the wnba and also in tennis. You know when we started the tour back in the old days we made sure we had women of color on the tour and By logan you know and so the hooks and cobra or a first three women of color and still in touch with them I knew we didn't. I talked to blot. Gladys is the one that got them gladys hellman really talked we talked. I said we have to have women color. I don't care she's well. We make sure they can compete. I said even if it's marginal we have to have them. And i guarantee you. There's some really great ones that we don't know about. That's what always happens. When you have people doing a miller and given we open up your door you realize oh my god better than we are as good or better. Whatever right and so it's like we gotta get the visibility to me was very important to have them. It's the visibility. It's the optics it's very important to send messaging through your optic so I felt really strongly about that in that. Could be the case point about repeating effort about a women of the wnba being proud and black and so activists and also athletes all right that changes people's perceptions one little bit at a time even the does who are not certain that is being changed. Just that constant exposure makes such a difference. Another thing i find when someone's comfortable in their own skin everybody else's more comfortable It allows us if someone says something to me. I get more comfortable immediately about them and about the subject or who. They are confident completely. It's likes the biggest attract. Like getting to know dr renee richards. Back in seventy seven and spending time with her now. She's great friend. Do you realize what a what a privilege for me to know. Transgender woman in the seventies compared to today. Now it's finally know. And and they're famous in television. They're cox what's shouldn't Courtney isn't it the laverne cox liver now. According to the other other switches on france laverne lebron is fantastic. All these and their their star is now. And i just you know the more we see them more comfortable everybody gathering the more. We're all one. It's just it's it's it's like a raindrop it's like and you've been on it since you were just give up since you were twelve. It's i. I'm just so impressed that it's been a lifetime worth of that and And to do it in a time when it just wasn't as well received in there wasn't as much support is so impressive I know that you're at the time here but you have to do the one thing that everybody does before they nobody expects experiment. The spanish inquisition expects inquisition. It's the spanish inquisition. Ten speed round questions number one. Your many current careers are cancelled. What job do you do instead. Wow i have so many jobs. I i don't know what's left. Yeah basket weaving quilting. No no no. I can't do that. I know physically actually physically go to an office or not officer. Virtually whatever right work at the grassroots level like micro level. Okay like i would love. I like. I'm connected miss school down in lower east side. I would love to just work there. Every day is kids. That's a great answer. Micr micro might have worked very my level so much extra on number two. What's the most scared you've ever been sexuality Number three you can be the best in the world at one thing for one day. That isn't tennis. 'cause you already were for a long time. What is it president of the united states. Oh cast number four. What current celebrity music politics. Tv or sports. Would you most like to be your best friend. I already have best friends in that area. Too many too. Many know. I do and i. I am so lucky to do. I don't really have a there. Is someone that you just see and think. Oh gosh. that person's seems so fun. Absolutely about now i got to go into my head was shirt threat. One stephen quiz. Who is your stephen colbert. I wanted to be best friends with tina fey. Amy poehler jennifer garner slot. People just seem delightful. Nick offerman they are i. They're all my friends already. I know i know i know. Snoop dogg because you know. I went to the same high school. And i loved the half. I'd love to have a perfect a wonderful conversation with him. We have we have this came. Yeah because we. We went to poly high school long. I don't know if you know about it. You should read about long beach amazed. And now you know you're in trouble. It's a snoop line You know it is know what you did. He also did a. I have the tape that i plan before i do. Speeches or conversations in his voice is in. It is voice Way and that's amazing. I love that there's a long beach. Religion king live main library. That's in the beginning of a commercial. I think new way. I think there's yeah way that's awesome man it. What's your biggest most meaningless pet peeve perfectionist You are annoyed that you pursue it or when it when you see it and others know myself now no others. I know i know i have to sell crew. It's easy to look at somebody else and say whatever. And that's why i go to psychotherapy for twenty thirty years to save it. I think it saved that probably helping more than any disorder place and having a psychotherapist for a long time. I don't have to go through my history anymore. No i believe that It's really important to ask for help. And i probably did not reach out for help. Because i didn't know where to go. I didn't trust and you do have to trust to you. Ask for help. That's another whole different thing for sure. number six. What's the most embarrassed you've ever been gone every time you walk on the court discipline hide sometimes and yet yet i feel just the opposite switch goes on actually i love to perform. Its when you come off the court. He gets a shy. But you're saying what am. I won't embarrassed. Yeah like usually people remember some i. I think what they're pets bidding. I don't know but well i didn't do that. Came close go for you. I think for me. It's when it's been public. I've had to deal with personal stuff. It's yeah it's rough. It's disrup- i can't i i don't know if embarrasses quite Were though probably is though number seven. What's the thing about yourself. You most like to improve. Get rid of like especially if i'm talking to another person. Get rid of being such a perfectionist. Just try to back up. You know backup just go softer. Because sometimes i get boom. I want to go for it. Let's go and i think But i also know what i've done my best. Is it that happy medium type of thing. I don't know that one. what's that one again. I'm here. I said them yourself. You'd most like to improve. Write down come up with the perfect answer and then call me back crew. Yeah approve onto be able how. 'bout eat less. I love to eat. Man i love. I love my shug. Gosh i'm not going off of it. I've decided to not doing it. I had my steve bali pops. I love at number eight any musician or band alive or dead can play at your next party. Who is it always helped him because he's a good friend. Elton john while i was gonna say earlier your favorite words freedom and very few of the guests on my show. I would imagine a song written after them by elton john evolving their favorite word philadelphia freedom. Liberty impressive pretty impressive beatty. Great became number one and crossed over into r&b became number. One and elton was so excited. Because i are and be number one. I think it's the first one extra over. He was so excited. I would love trivia question to be what nup former number one. Aren song was inspired by billie jean king. That's such a very very special way. You got therapy on it. You number nine. Would you consider your biggest failure. I don't think of failure failure. I think it's failures feedback. I never use the word failure. I call it feedback. What was the your best moment of feedback. The best moments coming out to being truthful. I think that was very first off my backside. Although i still had years to get there so that wasn't just a one shot deal Also you have pr agents you know. Your your publicist telling you one thing. have a team of people rounded at tell you a lot of things that that was good and bad so both leagues. So i don't know you finally number ten three individual words. Would you most hope that people would use to describe you later kind. I hope kind kind of good type of thing and Empathy i hope. Yeah those are good ones. And who should i have on the podcast. It doesn't matter what industry they're from what they do. They are just someone. I would find interesting. Had julie foudy. I have found as the best ship. That's right you did have. I've actually read that did you have you had If you had a socket yet. No but i would love to. So that's gonna. I think that'll be a wrong. Probably gotten hey. Thank you so much for doing this. This is so fantastic. Talk to you. I could've talked to you for hours longer. But great congratulations on your career. So far you're still young very young though Do you have a dream at all like beyond what if you had the one you can have. What would it be. I'm not very good at that. Unfortunately okay well still weren't gonna yeah good working on the dream. It keeps changing. It used to be to have my own Like kind of late night. Tv show kind of thing. But i think it's it's steve. It's getting a lot bigger. Yeah like steve bear. It's getting a lot bigger to two things that involve big picture. Other people change. As i get older i think is a good sign about me more about we like you said yeah. I think the we is really important when people start to think about things and it makes it more fun. Yeah totally more fun than anything for sure. Oh it's just more fun to be with. Well if you love people. I love people so yeah well. Thank you so much for doing this. I know you're busy and appreciate so much time and for setting it up all right. Thanks a lot. they're good to you. The future yeah for sure at a at a red stars angel city game. Yeah right going. That's what she said. Oh yeah one more thing. This is a place for ransom or raves. Or to tell you to read something. Watch something Check some out. Whatever's on my mind and i think it's quite clear what's on my mind. Go read billie. Jean king's book all in it's out now. What a powerhouse. What a force we. Men women nine binary people as she mentioned. She's led all of us and we owe her a debt of gratitude and we all heard the drive and passion to take up her causes and keep the ball moving in the right direction. Eventually she will run out of time. We need to use our limited time to keep pushing and fighting the way she has since she was twelve years old. For the things that matter. Most what acquaint you can always tweet me at sarahspain. If you've got guest suggestions questions or more you should always go to the. I tunes or podcast. App subscribed it. That's what she said. Was sarah spain rated five stars please and give review. Thanks as always lasting about an hour with me. That's what she said.

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"Click coming september first rewind nine eleven. Today we've had a national tragedy and incredible plane crash into the world. Trade center will look back at the tragedy of that day. Another explosion has taken place at the pentagon it became very appeared that what was happening was terrorist. Fox news presents rewind nine eleven report these buildings down. Listen on odyssey boomer on the fan and the cbs sports network. I would say we do this on tuesdays. Become you live from the built ford tough studio. It is the boomer and gio program Sal and jerry sitting in the boys off until next week we will see them after labor day as we get set for the start of the nfl season. Eight seven seven three three seven sixty six sixty six on the fan and cbs sports network. And let's get today. Yesterday was pretty much wall to wall francisco. Endure and hobby buys and the mets and the thumbs down with yesterday. We saw hobby baya's out at the national tennis center. Giving thumbs up door right. Say by the door with his wife and his baby and so that was kind of cool and so you get two games. Today for the mets won they will complete another. They will start as to take on the miami marlins we'll see we get thumbs up thumbs down but i will tell you the guy to my left thumbs up for yesterday. His name is sal licata as we will get to the mets and the yankees. Good morning. sal how are you. Yeah all right. I mean you know so yelling today. That's not what i do everyday. They deserved it you you don't they are. I mean. look at record until they get the five hundred. They are going to be called loses. I'll tell you though. Jerry i do think and we'll get to the exit a second i. I do think that is as odd as this may sound coming for me. He is getting a little bit of a bad right. He's sitting there with his kid. He didn't say a vicious way. What he said was stupid and should be ripped. I understand that but it's not him he's no but he's in he's in but why is picking joe or you know the real problem because he did repeated it that he was sticking up for his friend like if somebody were trying to throw you under the bus what. I'll take the bullets here. Yeah it was my idea. We'll let the fans have it. I think even though he said it and it was obviously stupid. And you shouldn't say you should get ripped. I don't think he said it would ill will. He obviously didn't know the ramifications of just these sitting there the with his kid it with the small again. We're going to let them know to now. It's not how it works here. you're going to norway. The bigger issue obviously is indoor Some people just really like the idea that you would suspend them or caught hobby by right. Now come on. Let's not go that. That's ridiculous absurd. Do if we can rewind yesterday twenty four hours here. It sounds like well. I met at the end of the year. Take you right. thank you league-leading. Strikeout changed in twenty four hours a good sleep yesterday. I'm feeling good. Data was anthony. Wrecker him yesterday. some good zeal. Who was yeah. I actually did the the ny show yesterday for us to look. I'm just how much can you say about the one thing. It's been the same thing with this team. But people i feel like people overdo it right with the p how do you not like the the The statement from alderson. That's number one number two like i said. How are you going to as far as saying this guy should be suspended or cut right now or fire. Somebody calm down. He didn't all he said. Was they boo. The fans in unacceptable. It's wrong again. The bigger issue to me. We'll be with francisco. Obviously he ain't going anywhere and we did hear from steve cohen again. I think the new york post had the is a teaching moment. These young guys. They'll be better for this going forward. And i ran for insulin. Door of course screwed it up with by. I'll the door at the national tennis center yesterday at the. Us open which by the way. We'll spend a minute on that later because that was a disaster. God talk about that because that's going to be a factor for other sports. I think going forward. And we're talking about with vaccination cards and stuff. We'll talk about that a moment but the fact that lindores there yesterday and you know you got him on video newsday had the video of him signing autographs and then one guy say. Hey you know love you. But how about the thumbs up from now on and he smiled and gave the guy a thumbs up so who knows. Maybe we're beyond this and also found very odd. Sal that not odd but interesting. It's steve cohen had a charity. Even last night and both baya's inland door were expected to be there. They were there or not but they were do okay. Now they didn't show up toward cohen. Said i thought that that was. I thought that that pretty much. And maybe that's what salsa me a little bit realizing he's right they are young. They are matured. They don't know any better the good learn and in this case the hard way they just have to get to a point where you realize it is you. It's not the media. It's not the fans at some point. It's you and in this case. They did something wrong. The fans and media go nuts. They can't then again. Try to combat. It's not that you guys making this up just understand why you said and what you did was wrong but i did like cohen's comments basically saying look they're young you you struck the third row with you can never go at the fan simple as that end of story never do that. You can never go onto fans plus they're losing and that's the problem so yeah it's been that is the crime day. Say what they say is really a relevant if they continue to win on the field and it's been the individual performances as well so there's a lot to it and we'll do more on the mets and we'll take your calls of course eight seven seven three seven sixty six sixty six is they have two games in a one suspended game but they got two games essentially coming up later today out at city field as far as the yankees and really where we should start because they were in los angeles gained about nine forty-five Watched it this morning and odd game because corey kluber looked every bit the part that he was when we last saw him in may essentially before he got hurt and then all of a sudden things kind of spiraled out of control for him but beyond that because the yankees battled back on a few occasions as a matter of fact going forward. It's interesting how what we said. Yesterday was proven last night immediately again with the bullpen. Because whether it was andrew haney who comes in first batter he sees homerun whether it was klay homes who comes in trying to get him out of a spot gives up the big hit. They have a bullpen problem. They really do. And while i believe this lineup is outstanding. And i think the starting pitching certainly good enough to win a world series. I don't know that the bullpen is and that might be a problem right. But this was the b or c guys. I mean you might see homes in there in the postseason heaney. You're not gonna. He won't make the postseason roster so he shouldn't be in there. This to me was more about the yankees not solidifying that number two spot in the rotation but i think he will though i don't know about that he looked. He looked nasty. I no problem with taking him out when he did you. Can't you can't complain about managers taken out too early and then complain because he left kluber in to give up a grand slam to the bottom of the order. You can't have it both ways. So kluber was dealing. He was nasty. Didn't low hit. He gives up a few weeks in a row. Got two outs in the inning. And then gives up the grand slam that happens. He got knocked out of their whatever. But i just don't trust them jeff for me. I would trust. Montgomery more i would trust. Louis he'll nine. Oh i have a thing for rookies and guys come up. Maybe an experience. You don't want to trust them in the postseason for me. Those would be my trusted three coal montgomery and he'll not really corey kluber but he showed you the first four. Why maybe he could be that that second guy to start in the postseason for the yankees assuming that they actually make postseason series that that to me was the game. I'm not worried about the bullpen. Not yet not with those guys in the bullpen. Not worried about the offense. It is what it is it. Actually before well stanton with another clutch homerun last night for the ball game of i would look at. Who's starting right now. We can't say definitively. Here's we're about to turn to september. We can't say who the yankees number two or three we can't say. What their starting rotation behind eric. We don't know that yet and that'll be decided. But i think they do have the arms that will prove that and i think the lineup is going to be good enough. The issue is. I understand what you're saying about last night with haney and homes and you know whoever parole find right you have any confidence in all. This chapman's going to close big games for this team in october. Not yet who is then. It's a wise guy right now. That would have my confidence now. I agree and i said that to gio last week. Like vis. that's the guy. I would try to make the closer the problem is he's never done it right. I know so at still as much as i like what i see and i think he's got electric stuff. He throws one hundred. He looks that part. You know he hasn't done it so i would be concerned. And if that's who else yeah you're going to have. The problem is green to me. You get the combo of brayton out. Yeah chapman struggling green given up way too many homers. So all those three. You'd hope to find one guy that can help you along with the wise ago and look they're gonna have options whether it's cortes whether it's he'll i mean they have You know some of these young guys they can throw back there to fill out that. Bullpen in the postseason. But the guy that you trust to close out games. That's done before because you know postseason is a different animal. So you're right. Loisy will be the guy trust right now but we have no idea because once you get to the playoffs it is different. And that's why they need to get chapman right but in this particular game. I said he's not going to be there. Who knows will parole to deal will be home able to get some big outs for them in the playoffs. I think he'd be right. I mean who who knew one lagaras had nine even along the guy still in the league one the garrett who barely was hanging on ends up getting a few big hits anyway i think homes will be okay. But you're right. The bigger issue is who you gonna trust the close right now would be that guy. But he's never done in the postseason. It is funny when you say you didn't realize the garrisons in the league. So you know. Yes at the first inning. They show that the angels defense. You'd could you name half the team. No those and we don't watch them. I mean they're out in los angeles. Most of their games are at ten o'clock. But you do know who the dodgers are and maybe because there are more of a national team. I'm looking at it other than otani. Who by the way is not going to pitch later tonight. Didn't realize he got hit over the weekend. He's not gonna make that start against Tyrone coming up later. It's funny just looking at the lineup. By man i got the guy. Looks like charlie blackmon. Whose batting ninth. And they the big. As i forget it. I'm blanking out on his name. But yeah marsh brandon marsh so watching. That was kinda funny but also interesting is. The lagaras triple was lavar. Triple off the wall boy. Judge completely now. i'm not saying he could have caught. It should have caught it but it looked like it was a possibility he might have been able to get there. He was completely turned around. Turn out to be a pretty big hitting the game. Because if he goes back and makes that catch that innings over lagaras doesn't drive the run in but instead that's not the way it went and also not a positive note for the yankees last night in the loss. Anthony rizzo looked like anthony. Rizzo again at the plate. Fouling off pitches driving the ball the other way getting on base. I thought that was a good sign for them. To and the fact that and judge at a lousy night out three times. I mean even take the bat off his shoulder but stanton continues to hit and you reference to that homerun off the wrong. I mean he hit just bombs. Look this is what he does. This is why it's infuriating. Because he's on a red hot streak right now. This is what he should be doing. This is his job to hit. Big home runs tied the ball. Like there's a guy on your down to stands at the plate. You're thinking big boy. Do you have to do it. Every time i'll but that's a spot where we gotta hit home. Run and guess what he did so he's been tremendous for them big picture though jerry and look these west coast trips you knew going in even though the yankees were hot and they ended up winning thirteen in a row. You knew it was going to be tall fright. Four and oakland that's never received with the angels not being good. Those are tough trips. Here's the yang's went from winning. Thirteen hundred over the losing three straight. The rangers continue to win. Its walls at tom. Do give up on the division. Oh no what seven back that. That's a it's chunk and now you're right. There's a month ago and the eighties won't be playing the orioles and play the mets the software. Your schedules favorable this month right. So maybe you should give up yet. Bought losing three straight while the rates continue to win. That heartlessly puts a little dent in in your plans maybe to catch the rays. And if you look at it. And i'm not worried about the red sox i keep hearing people's all you have to face the red sox and a one game playoff and chris who's who's to say the red sox are gonna be happy they might is going to worry about that now with a multi goal. The red sox might even be there and chris sale. Who knows if he's going to be there. Even the red sox are there. So i wouldn't worry about them. The raise continue to be a forest. That will be a concern but the idea of the yankees chasing them down clearly over the last three days a lot harder. Losing three games in a row no question but but as soon as as quick as you can lose three games in the standings you can gain those back as well because i do believe tampa schedule is a lot more difficult than the yankees in september. We'll see the one team of on boston. I worry about the same way if tampa. Not that. I'm worried about them. But i think the yankees could still catch them with a major hot streak. The blue jays. The blue jays have a really soft schedule on timber. Tampa's done with baltimore now. They played them nineteen times eighteen and one they are done. There's no more gimmes like that schedule. Toronto's got baltimore. I believe ten times this month and there are three back right. Now of the red sox. Yeah they will be a threat that sort of a given given like. It's going to stay the way that it is right now because it always happens like that right the way that it is today. It's going to be like that in a month from now. no. I wouldn't be worried about the red sox. Just the problem is there is such a difference when you get to the divisional round versus the wildcard playoff amid no other way to put it it is. It's sudden death one game and don't so anything can happen. You hate to have your season. What is now turned into a fun. Good season for the yankees with recent stretch. You hate to have come down one game. They probably deserve better than that. I look at them. I think one of the best teams in the american league yet. There might be playing if they do. Make the playoffs You know in the one game wild car. That's likely at this point but that's also why the baseball playoffs to me are better than most because it still puts a huge premium. I'm winning your division. Yeah because it should be a yeah and for years and years. I mean you division. That's the only way to get into the post season now. They've given you this additional path which is great but it should be hard. And yeah if you're a wildcard team and you're the yankees will sorry you're going to have to throw garrett cole out there which screws you up now when you go to that first round playoff series and that's of the way it should be there's gotta be some reward when you play one hundred and sixty two games. There's gotta be something at the end that benefits you more so than the guy that just kind of gets in right behind you and i no doubt there have been really good teams like the yankees might be one of the year. That could win. One hundred games wildcard team. Well you know what one hundred and two and when you division. And i don't like the idea of the three game playoff what we saw last year. Forget it was so jumble but you know the expanded postseason and then they had the three game. I like to come down on one game because to your point. Share all right. Let's say in this case right there weren't they didn't have the current format with the one game guard. You had a best of three. That makes it a little bit. Okay so who cares if we don't win the division not a big deal. We have a best of three. I like putting a lot of emphasis on the division winner. You're right you should of you are the division leader after the full hundred sixty two games you should be rewarded. And the difference in a best of five versus a one game. Playoff is significant defy versus best of three is not so i hope picky point hates it not everybody but a lot of people hate especially when your team you will be hoping for three game playoff as opposed to one game walker but i like putting the emphasis on winning the vision and you look at it right now yanked. You're in good spot far as having a grasp on that number one wildcard spot but with the red sox as blue jays all battling for that second position now going to be easy one way or another you hope they get still chase down tampa. It's just a lot more difficult now after the last three. That's right and i i. We weren't even talking about oakland because they're right there. Well after the yankees played in this week but the good thing with that is it doesn't seem like to go there for a while. Good patient to have the game here. The problem is like you say at the end of the day. It's the one game right. And it really sets your path to the world series or even anywhere near it much more difficult when you burn your ace in that game. Because that's you can't play the next round if you don't win that game and that's the other thing too people. Oh peace chris. Sale could have gary cole. That's why they paid them all the money that he's making you. I mean that's why you got him. So he's as to i'll take my garrett cole against chris if that is the case no doubt all right. We're just getting started. Six sixteen on the fan and cbs sports network. It is sal jerry in for boomer and gio will get chris lopresti in for me coming up next a lot to do including some football. We also have an interesting quiz where we're going to sal versus ceelo. Oh we'll see which one knows more you'll get. It didn't know about this. You did all you said it yesterday. But i know going against ceelo those me versus me. That's how it was gonna be. But then i thought it'd be more fun if ceelo's lost as well okay. I might be worse for him. Actually going good okay. Dominant one way or the other. We will find who who my arm wrestling today ones. That happening Big you're done. You retired off your ways. Oh wow if you want to. You know semi worthy opponents. I bank semi worthy across to. They gave up admitted to give it up on the air. He's like a polar bear gave. Won't you fell some resistance. He gave up some. I just anybody. I'm not into it too strong. We'll shut up all right six seventeen. We're coming right back on the fan. And cbs sports network heats the morning show with boomer esiason and gregg giannotti boomer and geo five after six to a couple of games today over at city pay travelers that hook song yesterday like a hundred times both blues traveler not blues traveler travelers not the travelers trappers louisville band. One traveller who's travel or a hook is the proper name folks. I actually like it a lot better. Blues it into the league. Yes song yang. Come get some pretty much anyway. That was it gets them. I think that was the song nick. Craig road back. Your tom gets them. Oh yeah i remember it so it's interesting to me that you remember that al does not remember that 'cause i mentioned that to him probably a month ago or so. And he had no recollection of it. What do you mean. Craig wrote a song. Yeah because a things that's like we discussed yesterday. Craig back in the day. Price still believes that anything can become a hit as long as the proper hulk right and you get airplay right. I don't disagree with him so he said we can write a song. The problem was we had five misfits that went into the studio to try and recorded sounded horrendous but he wrote the whole thing so yeah come get someone's name of something like that sounds about right. You hear the voices name. Is chris lopresti. He sits in for me what you got. I brought to you by town fair tire. Nobody beats town fair tire. Nobody and i guess we can say. At least former mets are coming up with big hits elsewhere around baseball and be good if we had the power to to to lagaras line drive base. It love field as high breaking ball. More scores going to second is the garrison. He is out at second base on a good life. But ooh lagaras third head of the night gives the angels in eight seven lead john sterling the eighth inning here on the fan yellow slap. Tag there from lemay. He did check on And he said all good angels would close it out in the night. Eight seven final handing the yankees at third straight loss. Each of them decided by two runs or fewer a category in which the yanks have excelled this season. I believe they lead baseball. And those types of victories not the case here over the last couple of days lagaras also tripled home a run in the sixth one inning after shohei ohtani hit an absolute bomb off of andrew. Heaney his third pitch of that inning. His mlb leading forty second of the season. He did have a lot of back and forth in this one early lead for the yanks and they came out swinging. That i didn't get three s the stanton double-play kind of killed the inning. And all that other was undone by the jack mayfield. Grand slam off corey. Kluber in the fourth yanks quickly rallied a tie in the fifth. Rbi singles for lemay judge and stanton and stanton later retired the game at seven with a four hundred and fifty seven foot to run rocket in the seventh so the bats did wake up. But it's another loss and they all count even after the big winning streak. Here's aaron date. That is the answer. a hun- you know weather. We're in the midst of senator row. Now we've dropped three in a row j. mo all darling come out and go get jimoh kluber. Add the strikeouts going early. But i at least thought you could tell the command. Great like he was even getting strikeouts on curve balls that were like middle middle and then eventually giving him call strike. Yeah i yeah. I would agree and boom was relatively please though with kluber wise and again we'll dive into it. Look at it. But i don't think stuff wise off a time you know the one mistake that was a four-ball really got it's kinda. What did you think going in. And i don't know if k and flaherty four ball. I dunno if camouflage it at all. Was there a number in their mind. Like where h seventy pitches. Because there's no question. He wasn't going eight india. I think right around seventy. I was kinda surprised. He finished the inning after he gave up the grand slam. But i guess they were really trying to get them through four to andrew heaney after getting out of there. We'll come back that i'm jay. Maybe they thought they'd get something got something slash home run for tani into the stratosphere pretty much another productive night for stanton no he is batting. Three forty one overs less twenty five games. Four doubles nine homers. Gary sanchez though homeless since july twentieth. So well before the big moves at the trade deadline obviously he missed time on the covert less. But it's still twenty games for him at about seventy at bats. He was oh for four last night. I don't think i've ever seen sure it's happened before. I don't think i've ever seen it where they try to pick off. The runner at ferry was first and second. He was trying to pick off the runner at first and he catches the ball goes to throw and the empires face is leaning on his head and he couldn't make the throne might have had to play it i to pick off the runner. How about the thing that before. How about the The angel pitchers is falling off the balk. He likes slow on the rubber in. Just one point. It looks so goofy. Give jim was if jif create yup okay. I was a gift guy for many years. The creators of the file have said jeff. Interesting i don't know why they wouldn't go with jay. Maybe copyright issues with the peanut butter. John's oh yes. that's resolved. yes we can move on. You mentioned tiny scratch on the mound tonight. The sore wrist hit over the weekend. Status d. h. Obviously he's Swing is in fine shape as we saw last night. and it. can i ask you something. So is on. Get slapped or slap ila garrison the face. At what point do you think. Kids transition to head i slides. You're coaching your kids and you'll go right. You go in leg. What the legs right. Especially now i would think with the way kaiser coming off pieces and getting going with your feet. That shouldn't happen you're zone. We'll point really your as. Wow so wendy the transition. I don't remember ever sure anti eleven and twelve. You can't go. I in the home and he got his levels or high school he got well with that makes sense rather good slap in the face though then like break an ankle or up my knee ken. That can't happen but that's so rare. If you go in feet. I have not seen any. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I have not seen many kids get hurt. Go right about how often something happens when you go in head first where that i mean. That's not usual to get slapped. That clear phasing-out lemay useful. But definitely as you said with the fingers with the hand. Jim tom so much bad can happen. Why why even bother. That's why you see these guys wearing the because the first indicator that it's dangerous. Yes but i think what they like in some guys are really good at it is when you you go ahead first and you can swap out the head right and avoid the tags of tougher to do with your legs and your feet right. You see the guys do kind of swim move or they pull one hand back and go around with the other one seattle thought you can also slide away from the bag and then reach back. Yeah interesting i don't ever remember ever sliding mean it goes to afraid of it. Data myself. sounds right. Yeah and it was a little fatter back then too. So maybe they we'll get in the way but you gotta go feet. I never did it. He went hitless got on base. I'd like to see more. I think about it now. More so with the nimmo play that we were referencing where he got caught the other night. I'd like to see guys go feet. I more often now campaign going. Well i line those little pop upsides and head for anything not to say you wanna get injured you feet i right into lemon hughes ankle or calf maybe all of a sudden he's not called second base metal spikes ralph. We're talking about lemay. You being heard right here right. And then that would make prevent guys from putting these teach literally a guy's gonna put his leg down to block the base where you go in with your clete. He's not going to necessarily do that. You don't want to get away. Wants to get spiked or even his hand. That's one thing. And i've talked to jerry about it. Drives me nuts with the. You don't need to put your leg down. You don't need to reach for a tag. Put the club on the bag. They've gotta come to you. Get them but now. I know we're talking about two different things a little league in majors. The majors completely. Anything that we've ever been taught is completely blown out. It used to be the tag down. Quake portland i'm make the call this quick. You do it around the neighborhood play. Whatever now it's down to the millisecond of the frame jeevan to me defeats the purpose of sliding headfirst. It's kind of weird. But they baseball got a problem with replay. They need to figure out. And i do think slotting is an issue who knew ucsf. I feel like you were sped up thing on tv. Nobody's react to influence the overnight. Anybody awake back somebody. Please call him dying here. Thank great enjoyment listening to emmanuel today struggle with that could be as a host. You feel it. I'm sitting there smiling. Yeah i can't wait to go. Do show a jerry hang out he. He'll give us a call or text a man the giants. The jets is the mets pigeon carrier being their carrier. Sweden me anything. Don't think because if you remember back in the day. And i know this because mostly i would say eighty percent of the callers whether they call every night. You knew that those phones were going to be little missing the morning at five thirty. I'll never forget now. I always tell this story. I'll never forget the first time. Not the first one. But one of the for some sort of doing shows regularly. And i was doing a tend to to shift or whatever and i don't really care about college hoops and it was. I was coming off of a syracuse. Let's say seton hall game and gave one of those like fake jigger. Why just i have to talk about going and talk about whatever i want to. I was like well. I have to be like everybody else follows way try to talk about syracuse game and it was a horrible open and nobody called. I went into the controls like dude russell. Math what am i. What do i do. He goes he goes taught change. It changed my career. I was like oh yeah then you just learn how to use those talks who muscle mass talk taught you care about. That would help for start question. There was one that with an where i mean. She always got caused. Never forget there was one night phones ringing and she's on the talkback she goes. Could you make the phone work. They work well. And i know this from experience back. They're having their own conversation paying attention to the phones thinking. Hey i'll die. Pick up a phone ringing. put somebody up. I can't keep talking myself odd. It happened everybody. All right james tyrone jayme on the mound for the yanks. Tonight we get pregame on the fan. Eight fifty five. Hey guess what the raise want again. Six to one of the red sox at the trump. that's eight in a row for tampa plus boston's got the kobe tissues now so they're was in tampa at the trump. The attendance was. That's the red sox actually caught a little bit of that game. How much how hold on over eleven before you before you get the answer. What is the capacity there. These days. I don't know. I think it's got to be at least forty five. I would think. I see a lot of empty seats with No but like You say eight thousand. I'm going to take the under under eat. Wow under eighth. Yeah i lo lo there. Yeah definitely seven. Yeah september late. August game against boston for first place team. That's rolling eighty-three and forty eight. They had sixty seven hundred. And that's paid attendance. I honestly thought was insulting them on aid my eyes. That's incredible you're right. That's not even the people that showed off. it was probably really three thousand attendance. What yeah wow. That is embarrassing. They gotta move them moving to montreal the right womb somewhere. Have your major league baseball. This is embarrassed. A i i could see if they were awful. A first place team. This is what goes on with them. You if jerry if you looked at the list of attendance numbers in the entire jones. Now as you're getting toward september and they keep winning the yankees team that draws for them. No yeah probably. Who can mostly yankee today sell out in the playoffs or at least close you know. The market's close. I don't know if they sell out though. And i think they also tarp the upper deck. Even the i mean. Can you imagine that are new york with the two teams whenever they do make it an impossible. It doesn't happen. They don't get booed. Yeah well that's true right. Nobody's there. Go go play for tampa. Yeah they can't afford gonna mess rhetoric fordham tampa up seven on the yanks now the yankees three clear. The red sox loss column for the top wildcard spot. Steve cohen gave a co two. Jill shurmur the post. Yesterday on the home mets situation. These are young guys and sometimes we forget there on a public stage. It can make mistakes. They hit the third rail though by messing with the fans. And it is unacceptable. Hopefully this is a teaching woman and they will learn from this that was really the only Update as far as mets management. Speaking out yesterday we'll see what comes later today. If you get sandy. Or zach scott out there on the field at some point before the split doubleheader with the marlins and by the way when you consider what's gone on with them this month it really is hard to believe that this was only three weeks ago. Dance believed us in. Don't just believe no were here together. We're all in this together and there we got. We got this just smile and just know that that we got this. I mean i understand. His heart was in a good place. And i'm sure he believed that and they in fairness that was after the phillies who they did sweep the nationals. Three game ended up on series. But man since then it's gone on that is that's why you don't say things like that right and we got this. Yeah so now. The obvious retorted pete. You said you got this. You guys have one. What three game since happen. What do you have exact right right. Oh yeah and it's getting even worse with the antics against the fence. you know. I am curious about one thing. I've read this in a couple of places since yesterday. Is there a potential. Divide in that club is. I can't imagine alonzo and look those comments. Obviously they're foolish with the way the team has been playing but you understand. It comes from a good place in his art allows. It's been a good guy good leader. I can't imagine him getting on second base after a double doing the thumbs down thing so i haven't seen him do it now. Not that he will. There were three guys who are known to do it as we reference yesterday with flora buys inland door follow we uncovered trevor may yesterday on on Video doing it as well. He was very i said on. Twitter tweeted at him. Okay and may did answer. And he was he was very Very diplomatic with his answers on twitter. Yesterday was trying to engage people and give up thoughtful responses to summarize. his point. Was like you know we felt. Hey we're gonna try to take this and turn it into a positive. It's just you know amongst the team here. We're just trying to rally around each other so on and so forth. So craig said well wait a second book you know. Look at what bias. Ed was he is he misunderstood and may said something along the lines of like i think slightly misunderstood so you know i feel like there's some damage control going on has three. Yes because otherwise. You're gonna hear today. Provide it seems you know there are guys that are were engaging in it you just wonder there have to be some guys that are smart enough not to partake in that behave. Well not even partake but a you know to say it. The way bias said or be maybe for them. They didn't feel. It was directed at the fence by as an lindores. Might feel that way but the other guys might just. Hey it's a rally cry team rallying honey exactly what you're saying on twitter saying like we were just doing it together. It was booing uae. Say maybe is just. Here's what i think happened. And this is obviously. It's just my opinion. i'm not there. I don't know. I bet lynn dor who has used some commonsense year. He's got out there and said he doesn't like to be booed quote. It sucks to be booed by the fans so clearly he's sensitive to it. He's getting acclimated to new york. His best buddy on the team is by is the guy they brought in those two hundred percent have had a conversation will endorse. Probably tell them by this ridiculous. It shouldn't happen. Well what we do something. Good will boo them guaranteed. That's kind of what happened. Maybe not verbatim something along those lines. Not making this up on. His own advises comes through your goals on. It's been here fifteen days and he's like a yellow the affair. Screw you no no. He's not doing that. This is one door thing and we have the clip from august sixth in philly which was like his seventh game with the team where he gets on first base and he's going like this and there's door in the dugout doing it back in. Just go to la when they were on the road. Yes well. that's what i'm saying hosts philly in la and then we had we found. We were at the game thursday night with the afternoon show so we didn't see this but i went went back and found it on the dot tv replay for us and why buyers gets that hustle double host that. Yeah and nine but if you watch it you can form your own opinion but what you see is bias hustle double. He gets up and the camera shows him. He's going to the pumping them up and because of the hustle cut till indoor and he kind of. It's almost like he's like are we going to do it. And then when he does and he reacted almost like an angry way now again. That's just my reputation. It's not definitively clear but we did put that out there yesterday and it was amazing to see. Some people were like they are this guy. Get him outta town and then other people are like reach. There's nothing they're not getting. They should be humiliated as a group to a man and not because of what they did because of what they did after the way that they're playing that's the problem the play it all comes down to that. Go out there and win and today. They're going to get their reruns boot. I can't wait from the five people that are gonna be out there for the afternoon game. I mean i'm sure they're going to let them have it. Good game to go to. They can kinda yeah rant. Just anybody free this week. And let's go out there and boo crap out of him. I can't wait go. Let them daughter exactly. I believe me. I told her i do the other day. This was even before known. That nephews shows up conforto dude. What are you doing what that thing. He's like why was no idea. It's like his first game released as a seven year old as opposed to a baby. You can't wear that you. I'm walking around with you with the conforto shirt embarrassing me. And i told him at a bow and you gotta teach. These kids get in early speaking of young daughters linda or had his just fiancee at the us open. Now you guys reference to did you see in the video couple the autographs. He signed yankee hats. Yeah there's nothing you can do about that. I understand that means but people do get bothered by common back to them and not guy for nazi. Turn anybody away right. Now same macarthur. Once tim mccarthy wants went out Outside of shea stadium before we going on a game team. Oh my god. I grew up listening to you. I love you. I had a blue manhattan. I mean that's the color of the mets at i. Give him that. I go to give him the hat to have. Its on. Which by the way other people at sony a blow hat. Who's gonna see a blue marker on a blue hat and didn't sign it. He won't do and did not happen. Who's going to see that interesting underneath the bill. Whatever like who cares. What's a different just signed the thing as as you know but i'm just referencing door. If he did that he could have been a jerk. Now's a good listen. You saw the video seem positive you smiling thumbs up so yes. That's all good stuff. Taiwan walker is going to pitch this first game technically. It'll be a relief appearance for him. Because stroman through like nine pitches back in april someone shows up with a poster board with the laughing emojis for him. It's a good idea. Let's go to the game jerry. Come on we're not doing anything we actually would love to. I cannot signs stop and gets come some construction paper along the way out there and make some science price at close to yeah. I can't sleep. I have the mess of switching cable. Today slip the usher a couple of bucks. Get at least. I used to work back in the day. Yeah yeah i know. Are you one of these guys ping pong couple among now. This killed me to do it with that. It's not a safe. He'll be fine. It just takes like two three four hours. Yeah and then you be alright. So i'd rather go to the game sal. Of course. I might stop there on my way home. Heck what am i gonna sit in traffic anyway. I don't even think about until just now. Then you have to ten foolproof with the baby. Yeah right but she know the difference. I gotta work an extra two hours. I'm sorry you it on tv anyway. She'll be look for no unless i spend like all. Check out this clip or listen to this or highlight syria cliffnote. Oh did you say something about no. My friend said you said something about me. Not being the best. Why is that true muslim. Talking about somebody else gio. I have no idea. It wasn't me never said that. Check the tapes. Never said that. All right so i. Walker game one. Trevor williams will start game to get the first two of a four game set with miami out there at city field today. We'll get some football here throughout the morning coming up. That's all we'll get your calls coming up in just a moment. Eight seven seven three three seven. Sixty six sixty six a lot to do. It's tuesday sal and jerry in four boomer ngos we come to you live from. They built ford tough studio with boomer esiason and gregg giannotti boomer and geo take seven seven. Three three seven sixty six sixty six. What is off. It is sal and jerry in four boomer and geo on this tuesday morning and the entire week as a matter of fact will be back next. Tuesday's we get set for the twenty twenty one. Nfl season got a whole bunch to get to today. We're gonna couple of calls up first. Let's get to them. Mike in east brunswick your i bo. What has jerry. what's up. mike. How are you. Hey guys how are you good so just wanted to share a quick story with you. Because i know you guys were talking about Head first lining so Back when i was about twenty four years old Going back about thirty years Playing for a company softball team did just that rounding third based on. I was gonna score. I went full steam in head. I my right hand collided with the catcher. Who was locking plate. Hit his knee and pop. My this was some company softball. Geico my god. What's wrong with you was boomer. Your head coach. Actually all of my fault because i blew the stop sign from third base coach. Too many things wrong with this third base coach number. Two it's a softball game. You shouldn't be had sliding period and number three. If you're going to do it you don't slide head first home you crazy. I was crazy at the time again. Very competitive that i was that time obviously learned a very valuable lesson and i think everybody else can take away from that. The seriousness of what can really happen right. But i i was in great care. I actually got referred to a very very good doctor who actually used to. i believe. just work with The new york yankees and the mets for their pitching staff and Some of the other guys Specific for hand injury and he was affiliated with the hospital for joint diseases and they just they did a phenomenal job by hand was never you know like Compromised once they got through the surgery. I was probably just in a cash for a couple of weeks. Obviously some pain but my hands full range of motion after physical therapy so everything really did worked out but again never ever slide head first i would say definitely the message and also We might need to third basements. So maybe you guys play softball not really more. So when you were craig loved it able. He's still okay there. Will you don't partake in that. Don't because ice. So with my the problem i have playing baseball or softball is the standing around my. My back's been fine. I can stand in one spot for very long. That's when the back flares up and so a lot of the games we've played on our turf which is even worse so i have resulted to resorted to just watching and then coaching third base for for interest. Have you ever though slid headfirst in any of those software. I know rick deepa trauma of and boomers cousin randy. Might you know these those two guys. Maybe it was just thinking juror. And it's probably should have come to me a little bit earlier Earlier on what. We're talking about it. One of the reasons why maybe it's easier to slide head first in the big leagues is because of the the clay on these fields. To your plane psychotically glass chunks. And you don't know what the hell is air. Yeah come on that's happened. Unfortunately that's part of it. We're not playing a third world country. Doug long island only these fields clean. I mean you get people their drinking al would know about this people with their beer bottles all over the place. They don't clean themselves young kids smashing bottles. It's it's a field you have to clean it up. There's gonna get every single piece but at least rocks and stuff like that. It's not like that glass in your hand glasner ass whatever. It is short either way. It's gonna it's gonna archer. He's christopher hatton chris. Good morning what's up. Hey guys you know on the whole mets thing. I think this reflects five on the players that did it. I think it's the death-knell ferrall highs if it wasn't before because i can't see how anyone thinks that you know. First of all brought seems always clueless about issues saab looms and things that affect during. He's never got any idea what's going on and he doesn't have a pulse of. I think you know like accountability responsibility and to me. It looks terrible on him. I think chris first of all. I do agree because the other day he clearly had no idea what the hell was going on and it was. It was a weird scenario that he spoke first and then rojo spoke after any. I guess he was an updated on the one question. I would have. And i don't know the answer. This is how much controls allowed to have. I don't i don't know. I really don't even though he didn't know what was going on. Jim duquette brought this up yesterday. You know former. Mets jam brought up on baseball night in new york and sm while yesterday with a great point terry collins in there and he warned aware of it he was. You know what. I'm going to go talk to these guys. That's unacceptable if that's the case and they were doing that and try to veteran managed the point now now if you had that i'm not saying terry specifically but he referenced terry so we'll do that for the sake of the conversation so you have a veteran manager in their light. Terry he says that now guess what oldest doesn't have to come out and have that press release because the manager the manager just took care of it and that's not a knock on row house but that's what happens when you inexperienced managers learning on the job. That's i think i made the point yesterday. You know sometimes you're second. Shot is a lot better than your first one. Because you know what you didn't know i'll i sino that from experience more before the break hector in washington heights. What's up hector. Hey guys how're you doing. Good morning my friend i do. This guy's flighty have fresno them. And you gotta come check out of league. I played pretty intensive care. No kinds of well. I do know that softball can be very intense. The softball we play is usually for charity. So yeah yeah i understand. I understand but guys lucid night. I i still think about about this a few times talking about his thumbs down this i'm serious. He saw. How many games actor pays a lot of money or he's going almost every game. This guy who is completely disrespected he. He put gives everything he's got. And you can explain it to yourself actor. But i mean every time you call me. I went to the game going to the game. We're going to see him in philly uncommon yearbook and they boo abayas. When you have to take that that's what you get for spending your hard earned money right right tell somebody like i do. Think someone who goes to somebody games and i gotta work. Also i drive with uber i lived. I get booed if i get through three days. I i lose my job. You guys are still getting minutes dotted. But i will say this. I've spoken to a few times after the games. I've told you south central murphy's and stuff like that. That guy is a great dude. So we're talking about that didn't buy into that comes down. He actually when you're home. Run on sunday. That i was. You know it wasn't sure what He actually gave thumbs up. I liked that. When i saw that i was like. Oh i'll read the game. I've actually playing evans on bass basically of certain little twitter baseball any headfirst lining their Actually for me but there was some. Yeah it's amazing. Sometimes you gotta do you gotta do as the way i see i hear ya yogi thumbs up so they know it still bothers me that no one stood up in this guy. This is not a good idea for us to do this. But you know what the hector we don't know that and i think what we'll find out today because we even heard from everybody all we've heard from was from a few people on twitter on social media that have sort of defended. We have not heard from everybody in that clubhouse though there might have been guys like as what are we doing right no that but it's also an i don't know jeremy i haven't been there but i've talked to a lot of people who have been a major league clubhouses and have been on teams around teams cover them. There's certain dineh. Even dating back when i would get sound from being these clubhouses. There are dynamics to the clubhouse where there are certain factions of players for him with lynn door. He clearly is the guy's much sleep biased paid well. And he's a veteran. So as much. We talk about alonzo and maybe him being the face of this team or degrom different with an everyday players making that much money. If you're pete alonzo a young player. Yes you're experiencing new york door are you. Is there a battle for whose clubhouse it is. I mean are they. What's their relationship like. We don't really know but that's my point. We don't know we don't know what's happening inside and we don't know which guys think this is ridiculous. I'm sure someone on that team could not believe what was going on or might have been just a surprise as we were when they saw or read or heard the boulez comments right. That's all which. I think we'll find out later today. Coming to you live from the built ford. Tough studio what's up. It's tuesday it. Sal and jerry in four boomer ngo four the week a lot on the baseball as you can imagine just waking up. The yankees did lose late last night. In anaheim shohei ohtani hit a monster home run. Though that wasn't the deciding factor in the game the yankees do drop their third straight. They came back three different times but they couldn't get over the hump and the belief was not great. So that you got two games for the mets day the resumption of the one game from rained-out months ago so they'll play with the marlins today so a lot on the table plus the football will get to as well just real quick because and we'll take one more call on this and then we've got a lot more to do this morning. The whole thing with the mets and now to me. It's about moving forward. And how do you figure this out and what do you do. I think it's fair to say barring. Some sort of miraculous run does not appear like that's going to happen right. I think we would agree. The mets are going to be in. Need and i hate to say this but i do think they're going to be in need of new leadership going forward francisco lindores not going anywhere and i got us with you. I don't know the hobby by is gonna end up somewhere else. who knows. We'll see he very well could be here for. I don't know a lot still needs to be played out. But how do you fix the mess. Heidi figure out the disconnect because fans are not gonna stop doing and being fans and to me. The answer is very simple. It's just having the right manager in the dugout. You alluded to terry collins. How he would have handled it. Had he been there on sunday. The next manager of this team has got to be a guy that comes with a monster resume that can work in today's day and age of baseball but still might have a pulse from yesteryear carmine. Tony larussa is one of those guys and he's done the job in chicago. But you've got to have a guy that's gonna come in and say listen. It's my way. I don't care that you here for nine years and you're making thirty four million dollars. This is my taught. The problem with that is kind of twofold number one. Ken managers do that. I always talk about this. There aren't really managers anymore. They're all data applicators. Ken managers really do that to where you have a guy like door making that much money is the manager. It'd be able to say it's my way or the highway. But that's why it's got to be a guy with cloud that walks through the well and the and the one guy that comes to mind mealy to me anyways book show. i mean. That's why law would sandy. Alderson actually make that type of higher. That's where steve cohen comes in his team. You know sandy. Alderson works for steve cohen. Sandy this is not the way they will hire a president of baseball operations. And i'm sure there's going to be input there before they hire a manager. But yeah maybe you're right. Maybe it's gotta be steve cohen saying. Look i want to win. I won't bug. I want an experience guy. Let's make this work some. That's why i wanted to go. I was just gonna ask you. If steve kerr was the manager of this team majority be the manager. Right now of the mets i would be. Yeah i think so too. Just just a gut feel based on nothing. But i mean we know alderson probably wouldn't have hired girardi right again. Not his body would have been here as the president. So how you see. If cohen is the owner and he's gonna hire the quarter will baseball people to do the baseball things because he doesn't know any better he's just a fan. He's only the team for the first time and and they go to him and say you know. See if. I don't think that this is necessarily the best guy for the job him right. I pay your check hire him. I guess but what is he going based off a fan reaction media reaction. Why i think you're going off of a track record number one. I think you're going off reputation to. I mean i'm not saying it's going to work but i think you've got one everywhere he's been and let's say for instance the mets wind up making a move manager which i think we all agree is probably going to happen. Maybe they go back to carlos. Beltran who knows. Carlos beltran is going to be a first time manage. I can't do that again this year and he might end up being a great manager but if you brought a guy that's got a track record that has one that all of a sudden is going to rule that dugout like it's his own and you're paying him not nine hundred thousand dollars a year but listen you buck showalter. We'll give you five years thirty million dollars. Whatever you whatever the number is just wanted out there. He's in charge and have to know that he's in charge and what happens is it's one less thing you have to worry about. It's one less thing you have to question you can question jeff mcneil fourtou and some of the other players in their inconsistency if you have that manage their you don't even think about it because you know he's that's the guy for the job we couldn't find better. He's the guy who's done it before he's won before he's experienced. He knows what he's doing. I don't have to worry about that position. I would love to see it. And by the way before people start calling and saying well the yankees have to do it with aaron boone bay hartnett and experience. The difference is the yankees had stability in their organization. And there's structure there four years and they've had success to where they know they could bring somebody in and mold him maybe give him the experience that he would need teach him a little bit and have him be a good fit which obviously has worked out here now nicely for the yankees boot. The memphis like that. You can't have a new owner team president. They don't have a baseball operations guy. A young general manager wasn't even the i i r- and a new manager. You you have to have some kind of experienced somewhere in the structure can't just be sandy. Alderson i'm sorry that's it so that's why i'm look. I thought about this. They need their lamble. Oh and trucks. That's what the mets need now. Who that's going to be the guy that comes to mind to me is bach outside of that. I have no idea if he'd want to do it at this point. I mean he's not a young man. I was bucks. Got to be in his sixties at this point. I still think he's a baseball lifer he's doing stuff on. Yes obviously the post game. He's very good at it and he's very work. You know it's to me. It's the perfect fit. It really is and yeah okay you want to call up and say well the analytics and it is different for sure. Tony larussa is making it work in chicago. He's ninety and he's out. I don't know how. I don't know what the structure is there. But they win a lot of games and he's been questioned for holding is accountable for for even silly stuff back flipping home runs. Whatever you know the the name. The medicine always brings up not manager. They're talking about theo. Bringing theo managers has has hired. So i mean. Are you going to get now. That would be the dream combo theo. And how could you do. Better respectable you. Can't you couldn't and money. I think for a guy that has what he hasn't. It's always easy spending other people's money get it but if you want to win that bad and those two names are out there now. I clearly you go after. Theo for sure and it would be his decision to hire the manager. I think in that case. Because you've got now. I mean he comes here. He's the new face of the franchise. Forget all the players feel becomes the face of the franchise very austin chicago. Maybe don't need both one or the other. You need one of the two right. That's gonna walk into that clubhouse and say i'm in charge right and this is how things are going to go now and you're going to answer to me not runamuck and do what you want right. And they don't it's not that they're running amok on sandy alderson. It's just the structure is not there in the organization. And i do feel like they need now. I'd like to see it in the dugout as well but if they get the oh how can you argue with whatever he does right. He's gonna bring in general manager. They're gonna then hire a manager and say okay. This is the proper structure that we need right now. Clearly it's not they're older. Respect is accessed. By the way. Like and i wouldn't mind seeing him. Stay in the organization does become who knows what he stays but at least there would be that structure with okay. There's a known commodity. That's why i wanted gironi. Because i know he knows what it takes to win. Callaway that older respect the role is he wasn't the first choice. By the way. I prefer role hoste even beltran and certainly mickey callaway. Both i'm tired of the first time guys okay. So it was a great player. What does that mean exactly. It's different with the mets. On the news with the yankees. So i want to see so. I want a known commodity. They need their lambeau trots. That's what the mets need. Moving forward to where the fans can trust that the organization has some that they know what they're doing couple before the break chris in bay village. Good morning chris. How're you. I the morning. What what do you think is enroll hus- power to do to make a change right now. What can you do. what kind of change. I don't know or even recommendations central down bring someone up. I don't. I don't know about know about player movement like that but i do think as the manager. I think you have summoned. I do not believe. Chris like people think the lineup is given to him. I think suggestions are made. And then it's on him to alter it the way he wants to alter. It doesn't mean he does but he's got to have some authority now put yourself in his shoes for a moment right because he's in a very difficult situation dating back twenty. I got the job. He didn't get hired. Initially he had to take over for beltran. We've been down this road. Then the pandemic happened then. The change in ownership happened. So you have a guy that i don't wanna say walking around on eggshells but maybe not a hundred percent comfortable to be himself because he's trying to keep the job doesn't want to get fired in his first job from being a big league manager so you may be trying to placate the front office new ownership and do as they tell you as opposed to at some point saying look this is. This is the editor she'd be taking. This is my shot. I have an opportunity here. I understand what they're trying to say. I understand what they want. I gotta be myself and go out my way. And i don't know if we've seen that with ross. Only when the mets were in first place couple months ago you started to see a different more confident ross. Maybe speaking a little more freely but now again because they're losing he's back on his heels which is not going to work. I'd rather them see him. Come out there. Call guys out be that. Maybe that's not himself. I don't know who he really is. But i don't know if we've seen that and if it were me i'd be saying this is my opportunity. I'm going out my way regardless of what. I think that they want me to be lessons. Learned and i think second time around manager. Yes i think that's possible susan brooklyn. Good morning how are you can whining how i got a different take on this. I i gotta spend Boyens in dur looking lightly with the thumbs down. And and then i'll get to my point about who i think should take over the mets. I just think the fans. I mean new york fans and i'm and i've been a mac being sixty nine and i mean years ago i mean guilty. I mean going back to one guildhall. I just played years ago the dodgers when he was in a batting slump. The fans gave him a standing ovation to try to get them to get it. You know what. I mean. I hear you yes absolutely i. I'm not sure what you mean. Exactly i mean i mean i mean i'm not trying to years ago. There was more loyalty because okay unfortunately because the play would stay with the team so many years now with the free agency can't really you don't have the attachment that you would have the time you get attached to play or you know it's like the jerseys last so long because they're you know because plays move around so much. Well yeah i mean there is player movement for sure and i understood your point until you went into that direction because then it kinda counter acts your Your argues a little confused by that one. But i think the point is she wants. She wants to be nicer. The fans could be nicer to the players. Cheer them on and it's different. Because are they changed uniform so she lost me. I mean one more test whenever georgia atlanta. Hello hey good moines guy. I Love combo today and the this week so thank you so you know i i have a. I'm in the minority with the whole thumbs down. Do i do. I like what they did know. But in my offended by it and my pistol about bothered by so much absolutely not. It was a unprofessional. Bad decision in inappropriate way to handle adversity. That's it that let's move forward. That's it right. Yeah yeah but it's not the first time. That's the problem if this were one time this this keeps happening here with this group. It's out in sound. No offense but i guess some offense they were doing to fans like you. Who just so vocal about every mishap. The team has and so now. It's my fault because they stink but the reason why is because you're the guy that where is louie me. Why why are they. What i do. Every video you post there is a rich biago. What will why is that though. Why is that you have the right. Why do you think that. I post videos ranting against the mets. Why do you think that is because they are rentable because they because they saw a cleaning now. I'm to blame their blowing me. I'm doing my job. I'm calling it how it is. I'm calling them out. It's my fault you take. I should take offense to it. 'cause they're blowing me because i'm calling them base saying they should people. This is new york. What was the last time you went. Atlanta's pay money to go. Watch this lousy team play and we should tolerate that. I don't even care what they say. What they do thumbs down thumbs up. Do whatever you want play wedding baseball. I don't shut me up. Shut me up for once. I don't wanna hear myself raised anymore. I'm tired of it. Go when a damn world series. I was five years old world series. But i've done blame booming on the problem. People like me where the problem. Jerry be better be better. And the guy's hitting twenty making three hundred forty one million bucks and little. May i do my little post game reaction video on the problem. I mean you've gotta be kidding me. They're booing me. Give me a break please. You think this is bad. I mean i don't don't archrivals. I pulled pork now. I'll go buy seats on that dugout. Put on my wife's credit card care. I will do that and solving listen. Don't tempt cell. Exactly you want to go home and change diapers. Take the dog for a walk and take him out. Whatever nonsense is going on around their cook this by that. Take this here do that. I'd rather go to a ball game. And bu got the jimmy every reason to do it. A big cut the lawn. Pay the guy for the mold. Students do that. The guy's gotta calm fourteen grand and the whole way single sal. I miss my days being single living in the city. I don't think them once in two thousand twelve through fifteen. Who cared they stunk in two thousand twelve relevant than for those three years. They were good but come on jerry to get on the phone with all. They've been doing his losing. This is a franchise that twice in their history twice two times in their history since one thousand nine hundred sixty two of made the postseason in back to back years but the fans are in the wrong. They will be patient being dead. Some fixes sustained success. But i'm not allowed to. Don't tell me what to do or don't blame me don't shoot the messenger. i'm the messenger. Somebody's gotta call him out cheese but thanks for the call. Please call again tomorrow. Guys like me atta here. I listen. I'm with you because they're not hitting and they're not winning. What do you want. You know they were in first place in your booing francisco. We'll get him next time like it's just that's just not how but he's also calling from atlanta right. No do they blew the braves show up. Their team won the division four straight years. Even in their heyday in the playoffs. They worn out game fan. Their fan base stinks. It's like they're homers there. It's not like around the country than it is here. It may work in saint louis by the way listen to a broadcast used to work for mobile dot com. I would listen a lot of times. We've we hear it here at times. You hear a lot of the out of town feeds or your watch a different local broadcast. They are homers. It's not like that in new york. Well that's and. That's why gary keith ron. That's why k. and his assortment of with o.'neil and fly it's better for the record. Radio guys are better right for the record. I'm not believe it or not. I'm not even a big bore. Like i don't know where my i've never gone to games and specifically booed players. Now it has to take a lot to get to that point. But i have proven that the frustration like again. Can you get ahead. you know. I'm not openly booing a player necessarily but at some point. You've got to perform lindores. His job is to go out there. And hey nobody wants a year about you. Running the base of his. Your defense you job is to produce runs. That's why you hear you don't get i can find a player that can play some defense. You doesn't that does nothing force. It's nice you gotta hit. That's why you get paid the big box so you know what you performances urgency booed and even more so than just once. I want to hear him say you know what like stand it as we reference yesterday and i deserve to be this year based on my performance i deserve. Endear yourself to the fast takes. We talk about winning. You don't even have to do. Just say i stunk. I deserve to be booed. I had a horrible year this year. I deserve to be booed. I agree with the fans. I'll be better next year. End of story. that's it. Are you rolling on the show. Ed can you girl that for me please. Why would i do now. You tell us how much you stunk. All a break. We'll get back on the back on the train. Here and calm sal down well just for a couple of minutes and we'll get ceelo in here as well as jerry and for boomer and gio on the fan and cbs sports network. It's the morning show with boomer esiason and gregg giannotti boomer and geo live in the billboard. Doug studio is selling jerry for boomer. Ngo half best seven a little late so we get right to him his name. Is chris lopresti. By the way. I think eight o'clock maybe eight forty five you've versus sal little boomer ngo tra- versus e you looking forward to it. Yeah we're both gonna from you see. This is the problem with you. You say that you were very disappointed. In the boat shells or two of our most loyalists. Your quizzes are difficult. Used in day. I heard that driving home coach. Yeah well those guys claim to be has told that story about the girlfriend that smell. Like chlorine four thousand times listened to to the show. You know that too could have stagefright though to remember that question though Remember after smells like chlorine yes the who broke up with a girl. Small chlorine chlorine story slightly clueless. So we'll see coming up. Who knows more. How many times would you say in the course of his show with with craig. Do you run into the whole boomer and carton boomer and geo thing like you did yesterday why you're saying here. Why are you doing to ships work this morning. Oh they're off again. Yesterday i bright. And i accidentally you walk delays on i did i made reference to the show which allowed him to circle back. And kind of take a jab. Go for his tweets tweet. oh convenient. he's off to face the music for what he said. All right. so which one's your favorite show. You like better knows yard man. I'm not going down that road. Peter schwartz tremendous way. He was right. I mean listen. Not they've had people parachute in here for a one off before and hasn't gone so amazing watching that for a few minutes. I was able to watch. He is a gigantic human right. He made boomer looks. Yes that was. My dad asked me. How tall is peter. He goes i. He's tall on. Mike as six five hundred five schwartz has got to be six three six four hundred and probably three something but i was great. Embracement the the autographs and everything he he played the role was ready to key. A moment was just too key right. Yeah you read. The cost. Migos sponsor pronounced tequila tequilla. Why because he didn't know how pronounce he didn't know to keel. Yeah he was reading setting up moment of the day and gio just like wait. Wait wait you know that word. He said he he doesn't drink. What though in fairness i will go back to. And i think paul newman. I think will attest to this. I want had you've read a word but you've never seen it in print before sure hundred times so i had the word. Is that what you're gonna say. No it's this is actually worse. Because bob eusler mocked me terribly for those guay is a one so it was ep. Write this down okay. We'll homework here. Report for goodness police. Once that's right i remember. Write this down that okay. Shut up okay. Oh amy epitome epa thome phonetically but no jerry's right every adult has like one or two words that just when you see it. It's going to slip you up. We also one. Yeah you just hope. It doesn't come in the middle of alive right here. All i know is i went out and on national at the word is to me. I and then i went out to bob. I wrote it down like read. This the epitome. Yeah like the smartest guy ever read it. Epa thome just kicked me out of his studio. I think kicked out of the studio close doing probably cursed. Y'all don't come back until you've read a dictionary. Magic jerry now used to do ivy league broadcast. I mean come on dumbest people in the building or not even close rep in your schools today to with your pullover studio. Everyone complains about that club straight hours. Yeah here for what thirty minutes per hour. So twenty twenty a hoodie. Going right there the belch. Yesterday i was legitimately trent water during the show. And then coming here. I'm freezing. I was like. I have to wear some kind of protection. It's sixty in here. It's cold in here. I'm plus. I got the then blowing down on that's fair. The event yay very strategically placed merit brought to you by flagging the performance gear flag and anthem real close for real life. See-saw affair last in anaheim early lead for the yankees that five deficit after jack mayfield to corey. Kluber deep for a four-ball as aaron boone. Put it last hour. Quick response from the yanks so trio of rbi singles from the may judge stanton tied the game at five in the fifth. Didn't last long those shohei ohtani leading off the bottom of the fifth. The one swung on his high in the year to rape judge looking up. That ball has gone deep into the angels. Bullpen down. the right veal on you know otani. It's his major league leading forty second home run in just like that. I just like that. He gave up another home run. There's another example though like if the guys are there you know it's out the back if you're listening you know. There's hope that maybe it's not going to go. But i thought to for yes. When they opened up the broadcast they show the sky. The southern california sky. Seventy-three agrees beautiful. And then they go to the live. Shot of k and your mike fan. I am over the broadcast being in the home ballpark when the teams i'm just over it like john and susan i. I understand their frustration for just as a fan. I'm tired of it. Runes watching these road game one. The giants are going to travel this year. But not the least week. Sick the radio. Obviously because you don't have the local tv right you'd imagine the national tv. The it's still because of the you know the variant or is it because of finances or ball. I don't know. I don't know for compass media networks for anybody. That's going to work a game and we did the last year at the stadiums you have to be vaccinated. I think that's coming from the nfl. Okay so i don't. I think it's more precaution. Still right and maybe causing. I don't know. I really don't know what the but as i get it. Now look i mean the business. Obviously so understand that side of it. But from a fan's perspective i am sick and tired of watching these ball games. Well there's delays. It's just awful. They should be there. I wanna feel. I don't want to know that they're doing the game. And some studio wherever it may be go to the game broadcast the game for the plows. I'd hope it'd be you know boats. Don't radio tv. whatever just and again i. I'm assuming john and susan wanna travel. And i think it's clear when you listen to them because just hard to do the job. Oh yes very much. So all right so john caused the otani home run there and he wasn't done showering him with praise. There's more to otani than all that. Otani is is tall. He's he's really good looking. He has a wonderful personality. He is so great for the game of baseball true. All true the guy was former met. One lagaras who delivered to the game's biggest hits rbi triple in the sixth than after the yanks once again tied the game in the seventh giancarlo. Stanton homer lagaras delivered the go ahead. Rbi single off of clay homes in the as and the angels would hold on for an eight seven victory handing the yankees their third straight loss. Juan de peralta charged with the loss is homes. Allowed his inherited runner score on the lagaras single inbetween kluber and peralta. Heaney touched up as well. You see getting hurt again by the long ball waiting to see from him. Well just a a hangar though donnie. And he's been doing that all year. So so tony kluber. He thank you not before serving up the grand slam to mayfield boone's thoughts on his first start back from a lengthy stay on the. I'll look i think more when you go back and look at corey you know. 'cause he's not gonna light up the radar gun but i thought he executed a lot of good breaking balls. Look like from the side like up on those issues. Were really good. Not so much on the grand slam. Though which i've wanted was what the angels broadcast As part of the condense game coach comes out to the mound or maybe it was the full game. I pulled up. Pitching coach comes out so the angels analysts goes you know usually after the pitching coach comes out. Pretty safe bets. Going to be a fastball. First pitch really first-pitch breaking ball. Bangs offensively yet multi hit games the top four guys love. Make you rizzo judge and stanton you get jamison town on the mound tonight. Otani scratched from his starts sore wrist. The you'd expect him to be in there once again as the d. h. By the way joel madden's update on mike trout. No so he's been out since may seventeenth now with the capturing originally six to eight weeks. Obviously it's been longer than that. So he had soreness running the basis saturday in the caf again and other talking about shutting them down for the year. What is the west. Our standard half is going to keep out the whole season. It's wild now mind for a guy in that type of shape. The cavs be tricky. Whatever i mean what. What's the issue. Is it something deeper that they're not saying how come home but you're over three months now and he's trying to ramp it up. He's still feeling something so there are in and they're making the playoffs. They're a five hundred team. It's not like they're awful right and they've been doing that and kind of toeing the line without a and also injury-wise the yankees Transfer zach britain's of the sixty days so that's pretty much Ended the season for him. He met with the specialist out. La monday elbow strain and he went to see the specialist to determine if surgery was needed. I didn't see an update on what the results of that meeting was. But obviously if you're talking surgery and they move them to the sixty day it's not looking good and he's just had a rough season littered with various injuries and it's just not been a good year for him so does not seem like he will be back anytime soon. Probably not until next year at the earliest raise one again. Six one of the red sox at the trump eight in a row for tampa boston's got colbert issues. Now the list up to four. They got martine. Martin perez and matt barnes added to the list just prior to first pitch last night also kiki hernandez christian a royal replaced on it last friday. So they've got that going through their team a little bit so the giants as well A couple of they must have picked up something when they were in new york. They added a few guys from their club to the covert. Somebody i know for sure tested positive. I wanna say was travis. Would who started that game. Thursday night against the mets anyway tampa. Bay's up seven on the yanks but they are still three clear of the red sox in the loss column for the top wildcard spot. As for the mets they had the day off. Obviously you had francisco endure the us open with his fiance and his daughter and smile and thumbs up signing autographs. We'll see what happens when they get to the media today. Taiwan walker is going to pitch in the completion of this suspended. Game with the marlins at one tens of early. It's a split double header because it's a full nine inning game. The first game game two will be seven innings. Trevor williams will start that one in the first two of four game set with miami. You guys saw the announcement from harry How we rose on twitter yesterday. Do we know what the issue now. He just called it a medical issue and i've not seen specifics which leads him to believe. He's out there he would today and tomorrow he said wednesday will be his last game of the season and then he's going to have some sort of surgery later this week and said he's looking forward to being back. Here's and not even to get you know too much into the personal side of it. But i'm curious if the mets were performing well going to the playoffs yeah. I wonder if there's something that he could postpone and get through it and you know the factories ads season's over anyway. Might as well do it. Now make that clear some time throughout the college. That might be one of the analysts to fill in interesting. Don't some work with terry at s. And why and it's obviously odd for a guy who would occasionally critique carried and even it's but yeah we used to watch us out you know whatever but he now. We agree on a lot of things. The understands my baseball. What'd you get him on this week number. I tried to get oldest on last week. You work at us. And why i mean maybe i could ask and the fact that he's doing analysts. Yeah it'd be probably come on. I mean if i if i asked him what a perfect week for them. Yeah i would i can intimate all this on. How quick did that. No come through What didn't get a response for hours and then later in the day show of course after like refreshing. My phone hollway cnn. He's getting mad checking my phone tax mouthing and then gave up on it and then he did get back to me and said sorry. Can't do it. You know. Rather i would rather do. A state of the mets to the entire media wants now. I'd rather terry would be nice now. Of course yeah. I'll give him my choice. I'd rather tear. I'll work on that chair. I mean if ya who's producing this show we get somebody correct. Pull that again on louis. Our yesterday at tommy See sandy will come on today. Yeah just going to call the mets and ask them. We get sandy. What tom was on. He wasn't rowdy. Tommy boy all right. So the jets made this straight for shack lawson Formerly the dolphins and bills. He was with buffalo couple years ago. So current jet connor mcgovern was with the broncos and they had a post game on field beef after lawson's bills. Beat mcgovern's broncos back in november of twenty nineteen at video has resurfaced since the trade one day central. You're gonna say else. I guess that week mcgovern basically i know this guy is lawson has a ba game. And then he went in the post game right so the story is that they have. I guests settled the beef and which is good now that their teammates but cj moseley of course if the jets after the trade is made sees the video circulating and he viewed it for the first time just a couple of days ago on instagram i saw a flash back mcgovern him talking like that. I'll say oh. Well i guess i guess he got who now so team chemistry. You're going to be real hobby so mcgovern says it's all good. But he wanted to make clear. I didn't give up the to sex. This is the one thing. I said this to run. I said the style last monday we did the show together. It's always funny to me so he got to sacks on your ass wonderful. Why doesn't he come back. And say i blocked your as twenty six hundred real guy to come back in thirty five times great. You beat me twice. I beach thirty three times. That's a good one. Jared and things like that. It's almost like wow. He had to sakti too big game. Too big plays. Yeah but if you're the offensive lineman you give up two sacks. That's a bad game. But i understand your point. I'll take thirty. Three percentages are supposed to be stronger in the offensive by robots. Fair seven out of ten. Yeah you hope to fail seventy every side for them. Exactly chris thanks very much. We'll see you next hour. Become you live from the built. Ford tough studio. It is sal and jerry in for boomer and geo on the fan and cbs sports network. It's the morning show with boomer. Esiason gregg giannotti boomer and geo coming up on eight o'clock. It is allen jerry in for boomer. Ngo stole ought to get to spend it very quickly moving a quick moving show for sure halfway through it's at one call and then something on the tennis a which has to do with fans actually come in just a moment mark and cliffside park. What's up man. How are you good morning. Jerry recco how are you. I'm doing just well. What's up this silicon to pledging mark. How're you. I'm well i'm well i gotta weigh in on the bullying buhler and do what they do whenever vote but i understand people pulling why they got on door quick. I might add but the money wasn't delivering visors. Only a couple of weeks to be on him. Why does conforto gets such a huge task. And he's been getting food no more. I don't think he has got more mark. i don't think he has gotten. He got booed. Probably more than either of those two. I don't even think by has really gotten booed until now he's going to get booed deserves. It can forego. I know conforto just talking to friends of mine. I mean. they've had enough. I mean it's almost like they're they're indifferent to him at this point conforto. A hundred percent has gotten booed. I would venture to say that conforto has been the main culprit or on the receiving end of most of the booze this year at city field because remember. Linda actually was sort of play well before he got hurt. Then he got hurt. He's been out for a while so it's not like the fans have been bowling immediately afford once he came back. Everybody's been waiting for takeoff. He's been in a year long funk he's been getting probably the brought onto the booze earlier then it was conforto and now it's going to be everybody and might be everybody for sure and you by going to hear it a little bit too. I don't recall by getting booed though. I mean i don't i don't either. I well prior to this by getting booed. Not that i really remember. He's even bs insignificant. He's been here long enough. How many games are played at city. Field to get booed played seventeen games and total. Yeah i mean he's had some pretty bad strikeouts. I'm sure it's happened right. But i don't think it's been. It's not specific to him though if he gets booed. It's because the team look the team in general deserves to be booed because they're failing right. They've sunk like a rock there. Now out of the national east raise where the division was handed him on a silver platter. That is separate than the personal booze. That lender was receiving early in the year and conforto has received throughout the course of the year. Those are different things but you. It's not just a blend door bias thing. It's the whole team now. But specifically conforto was one of the main culprits. It'll be interesting in this first game today because this is one of those makeup resuming games. How many people are there. Because when you're light with the crowd you hear a lot right. And i almost wonder what. Tv will pick up in this first part of the game. We'll just for today. I think today's me great. Okay so i think. Tomorrow and thursday look horrific. So i think they'll get these two games in today. But yeah i mean to me. I think it'd be one of the like listening to even that mobile app. Not the do another commercial for them. We don't need to leave but even watching the game this morning from last night. I don't know what it was about. Where the microphones were you could hear. There were a specific three or four guys that you could hear everything. They were saying where they were boon. Boom but yelling at the yankees. They were cheering for the and if it was just quiet was a weird atmosphere unless something was going on usually when the mets have a lot of people at city field here a lot. Except when it's very quiet there and i think that first game today you might hear some jeers and those crowds. Don't as you mentioned on the resumed game or whatever the suspended game. They're going to pick up in the afternoon middle of the work week. That wasn't scheduled already people there. Those are hard to. This'll be like a rays game last night six now. I'd be surprised if you had ten thousand people at this one o'clock game today remember. This game was from what months ago. And i you know. I don't think you tell me. I'm not sure this mike. Maybe you know you don't get to view the ticket for you. Do you get to go at one o'clock. It's a split. No it's a split. And i know like for we have season tickets at the time we traded and we took the credit for it so i didn't even have tickets for this game. I i know a lot of people did the same thing. They took the refund early on in the year. So you would have had to exchange tickets to go to the game so look at that. So he's to be nobody there right unless you get the marlins exactly unless you get people. And they've just been. I mean insult and let's give people like me. There's apartment wants to go out there and let their voice be heard and let them have it so that will be only but even so it's going to be a handful of people. I would imagine that that one o'clock game there's after he's not going to draw many another crime the fact that the first game is going to go nine and will people pay for tonight is seven. That's ridiculous i mean. I know same drum but good no. It's not but give me the reason for it. There is none. It's asinine manford himself. Said we'll do something about aids. Why do you have to. Why are we going through this again. Because they agreed to it. It's bad enough. If they said we're playing straight through the game will start twenty minutes a game tools. The first one. Maybe you can understand being seven innings. Now you have to complete the first game nine as because it was suspending game and then because you're playing two games on one day even splitting it. It's the seven inning game at night. That's come on now. That's ridiculous not right. It really is like you said if you told me you're gonna finish the first game. Go nine and then go right into the second game which is seven and a single ticket emission. No problem this is not right by the way they. I've never been to a seven inning game between either. I mean because we didn't have the chance to go last year and it just. I haven't gone this year other than sunday. Which is a full nine game insignificant but still it does have a factor like what's the beer sales thing right. Because i noticed on sunday they cut it off after setting maybe own and so the second game no but in the second game. When's the cut off i did. I couldn't judge at that point. I think it was the fifth inning though. It's it's usually a couple of image. Probably whatever the same thing to two innings before the game is over right so think about it if you're a fan now. I didn't drink particularly on sunday because they had the big week with you jerry. I wanted to be in tip top shape for the week. Generally you go with your friends. Maybe this is the one night you have to go you. Whatever even if you're taking your family you wanna have a couple of five innings. Win could legit to our game and that beer. The beer sells be over in an hour and twenty minutes. Bad very bad for the team to losing your sales and everything else. But i like to especially from going for one time like to go walk around the and look at the food options or go shopping. A little bit seven innings. How do you watch a ball game. Get all the food and drink that you want and go shopping hard to do that. And i want to suggest for. A seven o'clock aims going seven innings. Get there at five o'clock start in the parking lot and then as soon as the gates open go into his worst experiences you can. I just not right anyway. Then you missing two innings of the game. It's not no right all right on the other side when we come back. We're going to talk to you about something that happened yesterday. That should have you slightly concerned as a fan. Going forward has nothing to do with the medicine by is in the door or anything like that. This is more about your experience of and it's perfectly fitting off what we were just talking in a certain way so coming up on the other side. We'll we'll get to that. It is jerry sal in for boomer and geo as we come to live in the built ford tough studio ever them before smarter than ever shop the new ford lineup. But by ford now dot com on the fan and cbs sports network. All right this odyssey sports minute brought to you. By two by london visiting experts at americana manhasset east hampton and westfield world trade center this company live four touch studio down jerry influence boomer and geo before the break. I mentioned that there's something going on or something went on. Yesterday at the tennis center and tennis is fine but this is more about the fans and the way they had to get into the building. I bring this up. Because i think going forward this certainly going to be concerned of mine. So the tennis center. I believe is open for full capacity but you have to be fully vaccinated and the way i read. The story was the lines to get in. Were so long that in some cases it took people over two hours to get it now. That might be an exaggeration to make the story better. I don't know even if it's an hour and a half to try and get in. Could you imagine you go to a giant game jet game. You go to what i know. The garden is a fully vaccinated building now so for this season coming up. When did they say that. They've said that for months. I didn't see that you sure about that. Because i did it. For the last two playoff games all right. But i don't know if. I just bought a rangers ticket planned for eleven games and i talked to the guy specifically and they said that there was no word on that yet or their warrant restrictions yet but that might change. Because that's leave. The garden is vaccination required now The the the did i will tell. We'll clean that up and make sure we know for sure. But i'm almost hundred anyway. So the tennis is one hundred percent fully vaccinated have to have proof of dope tests or anything like that. Just i believe you needed proof of vaccination okay and so i think if this becomes something going forward universally and it might. I don't know like i'm going to a concert this weekend. Where it's nation maroon five. Oh nice down in camden. So did you need your proof of vaccination or you have to have a negative test within forty eight hours either way. You're showing some sort of you know health And it's concerning because nobody budgets two hours to get into a facility. I'm i don't do you. No no no. I like to get there early. When i'm going just because i want to avoid any normal lines. That's ridiculous i mean. You're talking in a very long time. And we're talking about getting city field for a seven inning game. Could you imagine if that came to fruition. Going forward seventy game and you can't get missed all game. There's got to be a better way. I mean i don't know what that is honestly i. I don't i don't have the the answer. Is you have to have more people checking and you have to have more entry points. I mean i don't know because clearly it's going to it's going to be important if that's your requirement for your facility that you're going to have to show the proof that's fine. That's going to take a moment. It shouldn't take that long but it's gonna take a moment you have to have other places to get in and more people check in. It's the only way. I can only zoos and is only one entrance because i was just thinking engines because they check it when you go into the whole like ground so it's at the front gate like right. There in flushing meadow park. They don't check in once you're in there. It's once you once you make your engines in. And there's only one way because i did. Now i think about it. What the islanders play offs. I took my brother-in-law my nephew. One the honor playoff games at the coliseum and they at the time they had to you had to have either proof of tests or vaccination if you were you could sit in non vaccinated sections but then you gotta have a proof all the tests so they did check that there were no lonzo or at least it wasn't a cigar. Yeah nothing significant to get in. We got there early but still there are a lot of people. There wasn't any big deal to get in so maybe this is just because the way the us open arena. Whatever it's called out there. The national tennessee go. the national. Tennis centre has just the one the one gate. But i was not sure that guy barclay center to will require fans employees to be vaccinated. That just came out. Two weeks ago as well fans and employees dated not you saw the garden definitively or no not yet. what about the islanders. I don't know about okay. I'm not sure. I'm madison square garden. I feel he made this announcement three months ago. They might have. But i'm telling you from the ticket guy that. I talked to less than three months ago about this rangers plan. Which by the way. I'm waiting to find out. One lung was number is gonna get retired so i decided i need another game. Or what hopefully Get lucky and have that. He didn't say that you needed. I asked specifically if you needed fully Vaccination and he said no not as of now but obviously that could change so and especially when we talk about the indoor arenas that's we have an issue. Where outside the yankee stadium or city field. I don't think that's going to be an issue moving forward. I would imagine. I would think if they were going to change that the would change it probably now right. I know he's now. The garden did require the vaccine for their foo fighters concert. Which is what. I knew about right. That was about a month ago. I want to say something like that right. But maybe anticipating next year with the rangers or the next. And you're right. I mean they did for the knicks play playoffs which was more recently than anything else i just. I didn't hear that about moving forward. I bought those restrictions were lifted. And if they're put back on then you know that changes the dynamics of barclay center for sure okay going to and i do think that's going to be the way i really do. I think he's gonna be a wave of the future and that's kind of where we're going for. How long though. I mean forever until it's gone if it ever is gone i don't i don't know i can't answer right now. This is what we're dealing with. And so i guess the point is little public service announcement. Be ready to stand in line to get in because again now. It's not the case for city field. And i know that but if that turns out to be at some point and you're going one of these seven inning games you better make sure you're there early. I mean even so beware of the. Us open a made a lot of people doing that. And and you know. I heard you. I heard you say i slide slightly. My head's at the traffic was also terrible to had to have been. Yeah drove i drive by that way on my way home so when i'm passing i'm like dance a lot of traffic and then it wasn't even on my side. Is people getting off to get to the other side and turn around and come back but this line went from the flushing meadow exit. Which anybody who knows at exit on the the grand central you know worse at This thing was backed up all the way probably about two or three miles past the lie entrance and exit to start. Monday was the i was going to say. I didn't see or feel anything sunday when i went to the game. And that's another detractor for the making this afternoon. We never knew that you've you've you've ever done that going to city field or shea. The week of the tenants can't do it. It's a draw. I always thought. The mets tried to not that they try. I always thought that they tried to schedule. Baseball tried to schedule them away into but isn't the first week. The isn't that the biggest crush of people though. Because you've got matches going on all over the place and as you get further and further into the event there's less matches go. There's nothing going on in the outside. So you know you would think people would be around as much and there would be a little logic in the thought processes scam making. But you know that tennis starts. We'll start for eleven. Am is usually the first eleven. And at least what. I used to watch it a lot. It was eleven aim was the first match and it goes all the way through. What eight nine nine tuna morning. So you have tickets for. I've only gone once in my life. And it was with a buddy who happened to be working there so i kind of got hooked up and whatnot sweden whatever. It was a great experience. But i've never gone with real tickets to a certain session. I'm assuming they get spread out. So i'll give you have the early session so it's actually pretty neat. If you go to one of the early. I went twice and one day i went and i remember walking around the grounds and you know. They've got the stadium court and then the next adjacent to it and there's all sorts of courts all over the place number walking around the grounds and seeing just this a massive amount of people around what just looked like a random tennis court enclosed by offense and somebody has got to be somebody. Turn out to be annakournakova. Wow mpn she was on like whatever it was court sixteen or you know whatever and the amount of people that were trying to get a look and get a glimpse of her playing because you right there. Yeah you know it's not like you're all the way up. And then i think venus williams was playing that night and i remember going into the stadium might tickets were and i didn't know i got them from a friend when i got in. They were all the way up was like i look like i was watching to anson more. It was neat to be there and it is a cool. It's a great event is and if you're even a a moderate tennis fan i would suggest you go. Because it's a blast the way you can kind of maneuver around from From match to match to match but there was a match. I wanna say it's gotta be in nineteen ninety ninety one ninety two right around there. Were jimmy connors clearly was at the end of his. You know the the end of his great career. I remember he had a match. That started somewhere after nine. Pm amer thinking my god. This poor guy is gonna. It's nine o'clock. he can't play. And if i remember correctly he was down a set. And then lo got down like four love in the second set and just gave up that second set to conserve his energy and then came back. And i believe he won in five sets at like two o'clock in the morning. Wow i remember staying up. It was it was one of the greatest ever was though. Isn't it so now. I'm cry check. Maybe that's me mild tennis fan at best and like i said i've only been in the open once but there is something to it where you're watching the great individual perform as opposed to going to see you know my life. I've never been to a golf of event in person. But i've gone a team sports. You watch the rangers or the knicks or the mets or yankees. Or whatever right now. Football games watching roger federer. take the court at the. Us open watching serena williams. There is something special about that experience. Watching the individual great athlete compete at the highest level. I love that i brought. I should go back so my friends love to do it. It's just not something that's ever been like all my radar to do every single year or to do very often. I had that great experience wasn't a figure while. I just sat in a sweet right here. There's no way he could ever top days or bother going back. Well the only way. I think you top it is if you sit up close and you really see the speed of the ball and the precision was nineteen ninety-one and it was aaron creek steam. He brought you close in a five set tiebreak. yeah. I watched them back then. I was watching tennis often. And i remember going sampras and agassi are you so you you get into it like you watch this or don't anymore. I mean ever again san ever since kids in little league. I don't have time to watch. Something's gotta fall by the wayside. There's not enough for everything it does. Well even baseball for me. When i first started dating. I went from going to man. It had been twenty game. Not listen season ticket holders go to every but i went from going when i first got my license. I was going to twenty twenty games. A year mostly met game some yankee games and philadelphia. We would go to once in a while. Remember once we started dating drop from twenty five and you just all of a sudden you start doing different things and instead of watching the game every night all right night. We're going out to the movies newspaper tomorrow and it just changed. Life gets in the way of course now. Is there like tennis app that you could go watch every volley like do what the baseball watch. Everybody i don't think so. fifteen minutes. Watch every volley from the us. There probably is. I don't have it then. We'll be dot com. I got nfl game. Pass by the way. I don't need to be self. I do need the game passcode. Come share that jerry wolf. I'll maybe we'll think oh. Yeah what do you want me to give you a ten bucks or something or see split. It gonna knock me out if you're in that's what you need to know. Oh you might not be able to sign in not sure. That's a good point. I think i'm gonna say. I might sign up for the twenty to this particular seizure for the nfl especially doing what you do everyday now all right quick break when we come back we'll get lopresti and here then at the end of the hour we'll get ceelo versus sal more of your calls coming up as well. Eight seven seven three three seven sixty six sixty six sal and jerry in for boomer and gio eats the morning show with boomer esiason gregg giannotti boomer and geo eight thirty salad jerry for boomer and geo fan. Cbs sports on tuesday. Lot going on and to tell us all about it. His name is they. Call him seal. And it's brought to you by winters bras. Waste systems long island's number one choice for your waste collection and recycling needs visit winters. Brose dot com fast start for the yankees last night a lot of hard contact in the first inning as the angels went with the old bullpen game. Quick to nothing lead which could have been more but giancarlo stanton grounded into a double play in the first inning. There corey kluber making his first start since late may pretty much cruise through the first three innings. Strikeout working as well but he would run into trouble in the fourth swung back those gallo. That ball is gone. It's a grand slam. jack mayfield. Got a pitch over the plate and hit it over the left field fence our grandson. He'll middle middle curve. Ball john sterling here on the fan and that was a first of pitches on the night for the yankees. You had that one. Andrew heaney too otani leading off the fifth long solo homer to snap a five five. Tie oa-to one garrison the sixth that rbi triple over. Aaron judge's head in right actually. It was a fast. Paul kind of up and out of the zone where they wanted it and now he just kind of slapped it out. There judge was playing very shallow. Probably because it was a two strike count op triple. Yeah yeah he did not play that so great but if you look where he started when that ball sherline play was pretty shallow got turned around garrison way up to get it yep smack and then play homes hanging a to two sliders delivers the eighth for the go ahead. Rbi single the angels did hold on to beat the yanks in the first three from anaheim. Eight seven third straight loss for aaron boone's club though his offense did produce in this one stanton had the game. Rbi single in the fifth and then retired the game at seven in the seventh with along two run homer four hundred and fifty seven feet while autonomies blast off a heaney traveled. Four thirty one. The otani one. I didn't like at enlight watching that one. But jesus was oppressive. I you went up there with his plan and got a pitch it into the rocks. We'll be on the wall and left center. He's twenty fifth of the season despite the loss. He's locked in right now. Another majestic homer in this one tonight adage equality to it. You put a couple of swings balls tonight you know wanting gets the shock is a tough tough right on right guy. Yeah but The yankees take the loss. You got jameson. Tie on on the mound tonight. He was supposed to go up against the tiny but he's been scratched from the start sore wrist from a hit by pitch over the weekend. Be watching the replay. I didn't know that happened over the weekend seeing the replay during the game this morning the he didn't break his hand. Yeah there's like a fastball. Right on the top of it. It's really amazing. He's out there doing he's doing. Yeah swinging the bat forty second home. Run the way the majors. Michael conforto thirty-three rabies on the year long has thirty rbi. I mean think about that. One league aris has one heiress lagaras this almost the same amount of rabies as michael conforto average significantly. Better what to forty five. And what two hundred unit looking at that. That conforto miss fifty games. Oh my god. He's into fifteen. I just wanna see. The game played ninety. Five games. played For garrison eighty-six games played thirty rubies in eighty six games. Conforto is thirty. Three thousand nine hundred ninety five and that is a wildly cavity stunk. How's that how's that possible anyway. Sorry guys leave the mets and they find success. Elsewhere right yeah. Sometimes they don't hit pretty much raise one now. Everything else bumi. Though i'm the problem raised beat the red sox. Six to one eight in a row for tampa they're up. Seven on the yanks gangster three clear. The red sox the loss column for the top wildcard spot. If i asked you who leads baseball right now. In victories as a pitcher. Would you know the answer to that without looking. I wouldn't i say corbin burns Leading insisting the good teams who on the white salt lance lynn. Now you know last lynn Dodgers i would say nobody i mean no gers. Did they know people. Don't care about wins. But it just kind of proves the point on this day right who you're going to give me. Julio riaz fifteen three oh okay It's like wow. i didn't realize worth getting. We're about to get into september year. And that's where we're at fifteen wins for wheels. Pretty damn good actually. What does your as there I just clicked off. Okay i think people do around the gate. You hear ron darling. Talking about all the time how important it look. It's not important when you look at any metrics and analytics but it is important for a pitcher to get a win. Three one seven. They're pretty good. If i asked you how many pitches and the american league are on pace throats hundred innings this year three zero. I mean maybe awful. Last year the shortened season. I guess i mean had not gone out with covert. I think he probably would've comfortably hit it. But wow it's it's interesting though so you would think that without the d. h. And the it would be the other way right in the. Al guys go deeper. Yeah but for some reason. How many of the national league. We have an idea there. There's a there's a decent amount of me pulled up here. I was looking at the ceremonies talking about ten. Or are we talking about five. Zack wheeler league baseball right now. With one hundred eighty two and two thirds of. He's gonna he's going to get another one. I feel like if i'm named for some reason. I can't adam. Wainwright is yeah. He continues to and he's zero three walker buehler's at one sixty nine figure. These guys have won like three four starts left that every maybe in five matt's those aren't locks i mean wheeler i would say maybe the only one that's actually a lock so go figure it's it's a different age right. Yeah in the in. The american league zach cranky leads the way with one fifty nine in two thirds and i can hear boomer putting ice picks in his is right now boomer boomer loves to do stuff like that yes he does. Let's look at the go. Go through every game left on their schedule. The rest of the way here absolutely found interesting. You know different air here. I know i almost fell asleep for a second. But we're good to go. The guy who was engaging was like really. Oh that's interesting great. Well i wanted to ask follow up questions. Okay taiwan walker will pitch for the mets as a reliever in the completion of the suspended game with the marlins. Today where the stroman through like nine pitches back in april so the pick it up top one nine inning game and then you have trevor william starting the nightcap split doubleheader with the marlins in the first two of a four game set. Nfl rosters have to be cut down fifty three by four o'clock today. The giants yesterday traded defensive lineman bj hill and it conditional seventh round. Pick to the bengals for offensive lineman billy price former. First rounder implored type. Doesn't play right right so they take a flyer on this guy and hope that the old change of scenery will suddenly unlock the online is. Yeah great great. We go churning the roster all right as we wanna do you. Just keep rotating lyman right before the season. The these things got to be figured out well in advance giants again behind it. Joe judge evan. Ingram's still was to see a doctor to measure the severity of his calf injury. Right we talked about my trout last hour with the court. I don't remember there. We'll see what's up with him. The microphone exactly and Darius slayton is gonna get on the field this week. They'll see how his foot and ankle react has obviously as the team's gear up for the start of the season we mentioned yesterday carson wentz going on the Or did i mention that with the covert list but close contact and as long as everything checks out and he tests negative back to practice thursday and he's back out where we out with vaccination with the nfl players. We almost one hundred percent. I think it's close right. It's like nine staff. One hundred and players thought were getting does love ninety. I want to say what you can still have. I mean if you're reading this. I talked today about the nfl. Specifically if you're vaccinated you still have to get tested every seven days. Yeah why because you can carry it. Yeah or or vaccinate and test positive. But i mean if everybody or ninety percent of the league is vaccinated or whatever it is ninety three percent of the players hundred percent of the coaches and the staff of their vaccinated. Why then do you need the test weekly. that doesn't may simply be around people that don't and also to know i mean i. I thought that was a little excessive myself. When you wanna know if you're an athlete. And if i got back dated i should feel like i'm okay so yeah but okay. Let's say you get it and all of a sudden your energies down. You're not performing well. Then you get tested. If you feel like there's the mandatory tests every seven days again for what. I would say look i got vaccinated. What do you wanna get. If i feel sick. I'll let you know if if they told me right now. I needed a test every week. Fine entre percent. I may well. That's but that's i guess. Yeah i'm not blaming the players. I'm saying the league. I think that that's a little much on top of wanting to have one hundred percent vaccination. Now you're going to be testing every week. I think. I just think that that's a little much doesn't faze me. Anyway you guys forget into this. Bishops sycamore stories. All yesterday range. And there's no other word for right. It's very bizarre. So they play in this national broadcast on. Espn they do a number of high school games and they go up against img academy which is like a powerhouse from florida. Espn for this. Well yes. They're blaming the marketing company. Which i guess they contract. Set up these matchups. So they bring in this. Bishops sycamore from ohio. And i m g academy waxes them fifty eight nothing to the point. Where midway through the second quarter. It's thirty two nothing in whoever's calling the game on espn is like bishops. Sycamore told us they had a number of division one prospects on their roster and to be frank a lot of that we could not verify. The couldn't verify go to their website. The about us in the staff pages are blank apparently or allegedly. These are like juku dropouts. That are couldn't catch on and they're trying to make a name for themselves. Which is my favorite part so there. There's no men and they're getting their ass kicked by highschool his whole thing all to get on tv and espn was just like sure we'll put it on and the other part of the story is. They played the night two nights friday and lost and scored seven points. Yeah same players in a different atmosphere. Obviously if you told me this was nineteen eighty two and you got duped like this. Get it there's so much information out there now if you can't find anything about a program there's i mean there's not red flags you got fire somebody. Yeah and apparently the the head coach does leroy. Johnson has like an arrest warrant out. I saw that. Yeah so he's got Bench warrant for failure to appear in a domestic violence case. And then there's another one Basically where he owes money to faulted a hundred thousand dollar loan and also they stated at some hotel with the team and and they left and never paid for so they made this whole story. They created some kind of team. It's so they make up a fake team and then they go to who to say. Hey put me on tv. Let's lonzo ball opponent. How does that even work. I said someone should be fired hard enough to make the team up. Though i mean how logistically find out if you have no connection whatsoever. How do you go. Hey we have this team who play football. Put us on. Tv do play. They were owen. Six lessons right. There's online only school an hour class a couple days a week. I saw one yesterday. Where i guess. The address listed for the school was like a duplex apartment. Somewhere in the middle of ohio's right. So i think there's do very strange. So that's making the rounds and people are having fun with that Let me bring something. Non sports related Which is kinda funny. So the henrico scoreboard. This is in virginia. They were more than three hours into their agenda last week at their. You know their public meeting so they get to the public comment portion of the meeting and they were dealing with serious topics. Kovic return to school transportation issue so on and so forth so the board members maybe not really fully paying attention on. What's going on in the names of the people who had apparently signed up to speak as it turns out. There was only one person who actually addressed the board. And here's what happened. After she was finished and one of the board members went to the next name on the list. Thomas do appreciate you film mccracken. I'll come on. Phil mccracken really soak soak my hick affiliate mic hawk affiliate make hawk eileen dover god eileen dolar bend over don don quixote more. Wayne kerr wayne kerr while the silence nobody in attendance. I don't get this get it. This no pulled a bart simpson in real life with these names in to the school board and the guy's going down the list i mean mccracken spent out for how many gate. Oh my god. What did he. How do you find this stuff. Not i had not one but two people send this to me. Maybe like please play the tomorrow including someone who works in the building here. Oh man we're going to talk about the the cougar. That was found. Not a woman the because i mean i don't know i mean in manhattan full grown pound stuff. Yeah that's right ghostbusters. Somebody cougar to a party and went preserve. Google it come on. I swear to god wait. What do you mean found. Well that would have required me to read the rest of the story headline reader. Awful beautiful animal of course but it was being raised hatton. Yeah that's that's awesome animal less you get up close to me Nothing actually see so. There's someone posted a photo and there's nothing funny about what's going on in new orleans. What was interesting was in this part of the story. A resident posted a photo of a supermarket in new orleans. The shelves are white clean. Nothing doing craigslist for me. Yesterday we saw this except for about ten bags or raffles ahead. Anthony davis picture. That tell you posted the video major props that is your principles video that went viral. It was something like we're in the middle of a major hurricane and we still don't want the whole chips. Oh my god cleaned out there. They are in the bottom on the road. Pilots don't vote here. We're take a quick break when we come back. We're going to these two against one another. We'll have a little bit of fun and then against two three seven sixty six sixty six coming. You live in the boat fourth studio salad jerry with everyone. It's the morning show with boomer. Esiason gregg giannotti boomer and geo ten in front of nine salad. Jerry and four boomer. Ngo we'll get back to your calls. More on the mets yankees the football blah blah blah blah. Got a lot to do still in the next hour and ten minutes. But i figured for now what the hell we got two guys in here that have been around a long time the prestige for sure and spring of. Oh seven was my internship and then right into part time work okay. Oh three for me as an intern. Hiatus ya. you didn't have to bring that up. is you break through. I was here for three to two thousand ten and then back again for a short season and then left on my own that time and then came back so your third tour of duty. Yeah exactly three times a charm. It's hope so long. Thought it'd be fun to see what you guys know about the morning. Show since you're now filling in on it like i am right so now lot. It's eight questions. Not that big a deal. Some i will let him get the first shot. Some we're not doing the buzzer thing. Okay nobody do that. So you music for me just to make me something so go ahead. This is what the standard game show music. That's fine preparing all right. So here we go. I'll start with you and this means simple. There are two players that influence boomer to wear the number seven roger bear. Okay thank god you got essences right to your left. No chance michael vick boomer play twi no i know i don't mickey mantle. Yeah i mean though for the half apply. Don't actually i was gonna. I know i know than the only seven from when he was growing up. I would think would be mickey out. Yeah no. I don't know wow mighty here. We got right out of the gate. What's wrong with or back. No mike yes. Jose reyes influence maryland. We're the number. Two number sevens childhood. Mickey bert when he talks about it all the time. Okay bert jones. All right. I've never jones in my life question. You wait for my mentioned question number two. I'll give to you what college the area tend. You want to call it. no okay. Is there a college moments stony brook story. Yeah that thank you. I just met his wife high school. Okay didn't he actually made it down on the podcast. She decided to go to stony brook so he said i'm going to talk. Yeah yeah what is this handsome issues. That is true right. Sal event made alley local hero in matt on new jersey. It was time that they cleaned up the beer bottles. That no that time at band camp. If you don't get this one leave. Yeah the you're actually watching this happen when he called nine one one dog attack apart washington above yeah a half for sao Watching for and you're watching this. This one's four ceelo. Who was boomers college roommate. Hold on. I don't wanna impulsively answer. Make sure i don't this up frank right okay. Good to foresee low a half four. Sal sal what is geos dream boat. I have no idea yacht. I mean what do you mean. There's a specific kind of vote often the regulator. There you go three for ceelo a half per cell. You're embarrassing yourself Let's see here if you don't get this then. We don't believe what does any scary do in his spare time for the good of his fellow man raises Dogs to go free you. What kind of people disabled people blind your right very good. I'm glad you all right very good. One and a half for sal. Three four ceelo. This is again for sow. What short town does alvin bradley beach. All right now. We got a game for south. And i sorta got it. Here's the last one for the two of us all right sal. What are the names of. Ceelo's boys all right. Congratulations what is the name of one of ceelo's boys jonathan close for the win. I have no name of cells. Daughter couldn't tell ya you gave me ten option. I might not get that lau. Let's circle back sal for a full point. What is the name of. ceo's wife. Chris win. But i couldn't tell you. Can i get your sal. What is the name of al's dog whimsey. All right one more for sal always thousand the lead now all right. Obviously one more for the win. What is the name of geos dodd. The first his oldest. Sabrina and his younger daughter's name is summer. Lau wins four to three and a half. I've known each other a long time. Did you come to my wedding you might have. I don't think that i did. I'm sure you're invited. Maybe you couldn't attend. I think it was at a wedding with you but it might have been c. max samak's i think we're at mom's those wedding together as well. Did you bring your wife at the time. Okay i did not but at c. max. I believe there are wives mistake. Actually at the time shoes my fiance right. I think i remember sitting down and chatting lame trade name. I barely know my wife's name. Would you daughter's name. i remember. This is your daughter's name. So mira samir and what you said. It was close with joseph. Well they're both jay's we said jonathan jason jackson. Okay all right. I didn't know jackson. I didn't know that you have the same as most mussa's jack spelled differently. I'm surprised you didn't know gio. With the boat no regulator. He talks about it all. I listened member. I've been doing the overnights for the last. What five months or socio. also. So i haven't had the chance to listen to whether they did the bed. Yeah exactly. I'm sleeping at the time. You guys are on usually more that. When i was training with stephen howard beach there was a time i was up at six. Am every day. And i was listening at least a good two hours on my way. That was a good four months two hours a day for a while so but outside of that. Yeah it's I didn't know about the regulator. I did not know. I didn't even know the regular wimpy. Yeah i know. I mean that's also on twitter to certain things if i asked you not eddie. What college did al go to where you want to. You know he went to tune what was the other one which is amazing to me that he was at this place. Was he one of these guys. That went out to indiana indiana state. Indiana state banco all. These guys aren't indiana and two smaller schools. Alright joe mixon racers for a little while. sure. I'm pretty sure he worked for the pace of joe's with some obscure wasn't wasn't yet i. You like a satellite of it who beningo mingo. Maybe i know it wasn't the main campus. But he was definitely out there for sure. Yeah he talked about it many many times. All right i would say good job terrible. So okay someone impressive We'll take a break when we come back we'll reset the program. Nine o'clock is sal jerry in for boomer and gio coming to you from the built ford tough studio tougher than before smarter than ever shopped. The new ford of by ford now dot com nine o'clock built ford studio as we scream our way to ten o'clock that's right sal and jerry in four boomer and joe screaming will you keep it down over there jerry. If that's of the day. I don't know what will be today. Oh right when. I lost it on that was tremendous. Yes thank you as big joe was telling me that the cowboys are cutting Benvenuti yeah he's starting in one thousand nine interceptions in the preseason. I'm not surprised. Someone who back backup garrett gilbert for roy al okay. Russia's actually played well gilbert is whatever but they listen if dak prescott doesn't play well they're not gonna mccarthy will survive this year of dallas doesn't have a good year i do not. I mean it was a big deal when they made the higher super bowl winning head coach. Remember people here wanting to the jets or the giants. As a matter of fact they have looked. I hate to say this because he seemed like a really nice guy. they have really looked unprepared. He's lost his entire time now. Not fair last year because of the injury to dak often prior to that injury weren't doing great scoring points. The defense looked overmatched and then the season went kapoor on them a bad year. Pui and that game that. I actually did for compass media networks and week. Seventeen metlife stadium. And i know the atmosphere is terrible. There was no one there but the giants were there to play. They cowboy seemed like they were looking to end. The season they should have been done was a week four against atlanta and they had their comeback. Well yeah. I mean one of the many games that yeah. Well that was. I remember specifically because i think last year i picked the falcons to be good and they weren't expected to be good. I pick the cowboys to a mistake. And i thought maybe i picked him to be bad. Yeah i thought philadelphia would win that division and that was a big swing game. Atlanta had a huge news early in the season they could beaten dallas where nobody expected that and of course the falcons choke away but just watching dallas somewhat closely last year. You can tell. And i wasn't opposed to mccarthy getting hired because he did win a super bowl but you can tell that some the was just off with him now again. A lot of injuries through him in the offensive line was a mess. All season long defensively. They weren't elliott's problem fumble in the boy. He's in better shape. Hurt them to in a couple of key spots. Get two or three fumble game. Here's a fumble machine that game as a matter of maybe played against the brown. Yeah i don't remember but there was certainly enough games. They fell behind early way or early. Yes and that's where i say. They looked unprepared in a lot of cases. Now i know it's the preseason and they've done some good things this preseason they don't win yeah so it doesn't matter dak hasn't played so you're not gonna get nuts about it. How could you but it. Yes i think if they don't play well this year i jerry. Jones has pretty much admitted. I ain't got a lot of time left. He wants to win right so i would not be used if they don't play. Well they're higher jerry jones right now he's gotta be close to eighty eight. He's and think about it your the money in the world. Nothing you can do about it. He can add anything he wants except that last week if he could do it. Do a deal with the devil for a super bowl championship. He would he hasn't already listening. Can't say he just when he bought the team in eighty eight or eighty nine. Whatever your was at eighty nine. So you're you're more than thirty years ago. And i think he was forty eight when he bought the team age. Think about how. He's got to be late seventies. I think yeah and again if there's something that you can't and that's why sports is so great. You can't no matter how rich the owner is no matter how hard you root how much you cheer that something cannot be bought a easy. He probably thought it was those i you know. Once they got going ninety two ninety three all right they ninety four ninety five. They win again. They've had some god awful teams event quarter. They've had they've had a lot of mediocre teams. They really they haven't had too many terrible seasons. They really have all the dave campo years. Quincy carter and quincy carter actually on whatever we talk about. This album wired but very mediocre long long time so soviet anyway. I've you're just waking up. Get up ten after nine. The what he's doing you lazy bomb was. I could sleep in nine ten. You slept all afternoon yesterday. They do not. I went home and took an advanced. We're talking about the yankees. How did i know you got normal. Sleep sunday night. I felt like i did. Here's what i what. I realize now looking back at it. It wasn't normal sleep. And i'm glad you brought this up because i wanted to ask you about it anyway. Knowing that your alarm is going to go off at four. And knowing larry well for me for to get here you know for the show but i'm paranoid and extremely like you said three alarms. Yes but still even in my sleep subconsciously. I won't get up. yes so. I kinda was up every hour on like frantically looking at my phone and it's only two thirty. It's only three. But i felt like i was doing that every hour so maybe i didn't. I went to bed at nine thirty sunday night. And i thought i got long sleep but i guess it wasn't good because i was driving home yesterday and i was struggling. Not like i was going to fall asleep. But just like i was zone an easy and then i got home and i was like i told my wife i said i need an omelette i mean. Can you help help. I need something and eat or so. She helped me make an omelet and then was like. I'm sorry i got gotta down half hour. I want to sit down on the couch. I don't even know how long i just know that. She was snapping pictures of passed out on the couch. Senate until my mother. Here's your useless son. Think he's the greatest of the world is he goes home. He works for four measly hours. He comes home and get through anything. I'm changing diapers. So the baby was napping next to me. I guess but i was passed out. And then i net again later in the evening at seven thirty i was like i'm sorry she goes. Okay get a week. The baby up for a final feels like oh oddly enough. It's one of the get a couple of hours before wake up for saying why. I don't wanna watch a little bit of the yankee game. So i went to bed. Not only that midday nap. However long it was went to sleep at seven thirty woke up around ten. Ten fifteen watched a little bit of the yankee game. Got ready for us. And why did my ass. Why hit back to bed at like and you fell asleep not right away so i'd say i was in bed. Maybe eleven thirty men. The dog is crying asked my wife. Did you let the dog out. No i didn't your job. You sound like a prize and so i. I'm more into jobs here. I mean what are you gonna do. I mean first of all. Let's put working in quotes. Y'all i mean it's very stressful. I understand got the dog. Though so i had to get out of bed go down. Let the dog out. He was good. Came back. And i'd say fell asleep around midnight and then up at four him again. This time i was kind of out during my sleep. Although i anticipate another nap this after right through the game. That's marlins i'll probably snooze you. Imagine trying to stay the way you feel about yesterday and then having such a weird day asleep yesterday and last night. There's no chance you're getting to that. I met game today. No no it's marlins use for. You still want to see the game. I think just naturally the position of comfort on the couch trying to watch the game. The sounds of six hundred people might. This might be now be better. We were there we wouldn't fall in love to do be into it. Yeah i mastered the twenty minute nap really add as it used to sleep in your support columbia practices when the run on in your car passed out while yes and when i exercise my friends usually. It's in the afternoon a lot of times. I will get there specifically twenty minutes before taking opens. Yes does that do anything guy. Does i anything longer than that. I feel like. I am completely zonked for the rest of the day and i feel like drunk twenty minutes of at least you can get through the day and it's also not enough to our will affect me going to sleep because i really by eight thirty. I try to lay down and that will allow me to still sleep. You you said you kind of feel drunk. That that's how i felt. I didn't really think anything. Your body's all screwed up now. Yeah you just feel. I'll feels we want to sleep more. And that's that's bomb of. How would the overnight is that. Even though i've been doing it. Since april i haven't gotten to a point where i can wake up and feel like okay. I'm ready to go attack the day. Go to the gym. Have my normal routine. Just a different. Our your body's not meant to be these weird hours. Yeah that's the one everybody always asks. Oh you're you so now after twelve however many years this to about twelve years. No no one thing. I do too and this has been a problem for me not only during the pandemic but just in general now i guess after the doing five shows a week. There is pressure with that right so when i'm done usually saturday morning six am and then like saturday. I'll indulge in whatever food and drinks throughout the course of the weekend which is also not healthy behavior. Because i'm kind of letting loose and just you know decompressing is that i was one the same absolutely no questions. A lot of days. Walking at ten o'clock eleven o'clock got through another one. Yeah it is. you're right. it's not real working. We love doing it. I'm not complaining about that but the mentally it. Is it commit dress. Yeah of course that's what it is. That's why the commute to you. Throw in the commute on top of which doesn't happen often for me anymore. Luckily been still working from home at least the overnight but the commute two hours to get home yesterday i mean. That's that's that's the bigger issue than the than the job is always said the to joe said if he could be at home he probably would still be working. It's the gig. Trudging through manhattan is just brutal and right only if you got two hours in two hours home i mean. Think about those longer than your day work. You imagine people who've been doing now for twenty twenty thirty years commute whether it's train or car nine to five in this as brutal. I remember when. I worked with mike and chris for six months. My hours were ten thirty to six thirty. Pretty good you would say. I took a train that left at seven. Fifty and i was getting home. I wanna say at nine ten that stress man. It's a long long days off on friday night. You wanna go to bed. Wake up saturday. Morning and sunday stinks monday. I miss the days of my fifteen minute. Commute to home depot ago. There panchen at three thirty punch out at eleven thirty or whatever. This shift was and going. And you were in the The lumber department dollar case year. What are you kidding me. Excuse me sir. I have no idea go see plumbing. I'll say i can help you find a guy who wearing this same exact jay and all six a plumbing out. You must've been you know mick. foley the wrestler. Yeah sure so i saw. I was walking from the front end. Which is you know. The cashiers on the front of the return desk and avenue be walking. Here comes mick foley you cannot miss them like he's dressed the same exact way he would be dressed. He's got that plaid black and red jacket on. I was like. Hey where my orange apron. Mick foley how we want to jacob sanity. Listen shake his hand because his bones broken his hand. Whatever and i was like oh nice to see. He's like hey can you help me out. I need it goes on for whatever three minutes explaining exactly whatever it is that he he needs to go. Sure i can write down there. I'll go look for somebody in florida department. I don't know what you just said. I'll be also escalating though isn't it. I mean. I guess i was always just a cashier. I mean just knowing how to do anything. Yeah it is and you try to learn. But i mean but when you learn you screw up a lot on the way you're talking about a guy who couldn't change his own flat tire as you know jerry so that could be emasculating. If you did what. I was a mechanic and look at these cars. And i'm like what the hell am i gonna do with this thing. I'd say amazing. You picked up nothing from him. No i just did. It was two things one. He was not the best teacher. Okay but more important than i did not care. I was a sports guy he would write. I wasn't into it so he would. Maybe try to teach. And then when i got older it was more like a moron. Get outta here. let me do it. He was more like didn't trust anybody so he just better off doing. Why am i gonna do not waste my time teacher you. You don't even care to do it. I was like i get me. I got a touch that tiring. My hands dirty. But there's dirt and grease down there. I mean come on their bud. That man's man. Because real proud dad mechanic blue-collar guy his whole life you know any man in me wouldn't anything but anyway it can be emasculating. Mel male learning how to do some stuff around the house and youtube. I it is amazing how you can learn a lot with youtube video for almost everything. Yeah which is fascinating right cooking cleaning building stuff. Sure i mean anything. You can learn how to build a house so you only learn by doing. And i didn't even know some of the issues that being a homeowner can campos off funding it. Oh yeah and if you don't do it guess what you got to pay somebody who does. Yeah no doubt. We are learning that the hard way for sure the yankees. Or what are we doing here. Let's twenty after nine so we'll We'll get ceelo in here. We'll do the yankees. They did lose last night. We'll get all the details Plus your calls coming up later in the hour. Eight seven seven three three seven sixty sixty six jerry in for boomer ngo. It's the morning show with boomer. Esiason gregg giannotti boomer and geo thirty almost something like that sal and jerry and four boomer and geo one more report from his lopresti today taken away. I brought to you by town fair tire. Nobody beats town fair tire. Nobody wish i had some new fresh yankee stuff to bring up also but they gave the league leader and say let's go might be the guy close enough with the angels. Twenty eight of them iglesias. Anyway you got boone. Which is great. Yeah and then you had kluber lemay hugh on the post game. Imagine how that went but the yankees did lose last night in anaheim the first three homes to to to lagaras line drive base. It left field as high breaking ball. More scores going to second is the garrison is out at second base on a good pool by gallo but lagaras third head of the night gives the angels an eight seven thousand hot and bothered about the headfirst slide slapped in the face by policies outs. Not even like you get slapped. And he's safe. Allies basically won the game because the angels would close it out in the night. Eight seven the final the hand the yankees a third straight loss each of them decided by two runs or fewer which is a category with the yankees have excelled the season lagaras also tripled home overrun in the six. That was one inning after shohei. Ohtani hit a bomb off. Andrew heaney his mlb leading forty seconds of the season. Joe madden said. He had not seen a ball to that exact spot where otani hit it so they measured at four thirty one who knows how accurate that stuff is. point being. It was a moonshot lot of back and forth in this one yanks had the early lead on done by the jack mayfield. Grand slam off corey. Kluber in the fourth yanks rallied a the fifth. Rbi singles for lemay. Judge stanton and stan later re tied the game at seven with a four hundred and fifty foot to run rocket. Yes into the rocks. He didn't happen and now we don't know doesn't a lot of wallpapers exit v low other than when he goes oppa at the stadium. Sometimes a line drive a laser missiles. Route just looks awesome though when he hits it doesn't it. Yeah i mean look. I'm just standing there looking at it that's right. The guy is. I mean built east. Chiseled adults any. I mean really. I can't wait for next week. When is going over for five missing the ball by ten exactly. So he's on this hot streak right. Yeah exactly hits the homer. Last night led to this. Exchange between yes is christina. Boone in the post gaggy said a big g. hits to iron every time. Do you agree with that assessment. He hits you know erin that he did eventually make the point that if you basically closed your eyes or if you you know you you just listened to the way the ball sounds all stanton's bat with your eyes close you guess that he was the guy at the plate again yes yes. Aggie said big g. Who iron every time. Do you agree with that assessment. Yeah he he hits. You know if the if it wasn't that hard to do. I mean yeah it was. Yeah right aaron things deeply. You know he really does actually. I actually love aaron boone. i've really become. I love the way he gets on managers. I shoot me gets on mars. It's the perfect. He has the perfect temperament for it. He's honest he goes out there he lets them have it. I don't mind the way deals with the media. Either and now he's got a good ballclub books. You have to manage his way through the postseason. That's going to be a whole another issue. But as far as the personality goes on the big key ever did poorly with the media just when they were going bad and the there was like what else could he say he had to keep coming back to though another gut punch so on much of the players. Us not gonna call it the players. I get that. That's what they wanted. They have kept joe girardi in house if they didn't want to i'd like do and i think he's fine. He's giving you exactly the personality. And the temperament of why they brought him into begin with. It's on full display right now when they're going great it's like oh okay arab awesome. He also shows you can have a little bit of that read. Is that what you call when he goes in and gets on the car. I don't know if i could say these things. I'm trying to work my way. I'm easing into it here. Testees you could say that i learned. Do alive rita's for carton and roberts in the library. Oh yeah the man's game four point zero shave your testees choline. Yeah i was reading. Those was like oh. I say keep those these clean your fourth exactly anyway. Buddhism food. boone has a little bit of that in my love that he could get on a mat on an umpire. More so than anybody besting. That ever happened to him was the jumbo video. That was the best the box. He's done that in a couple of weeks ago again. So no i know but if you think about when that happened and how it was perceived and reacted to kronemann. Better right could not have been better for them all right. So the yanks lose corey kluber. Who were not happy with you. I know i think much if you watch paid on us show you on that show. We're gonna knock me. I've heard him mentioned bertone's before. But i did not make the canadian. Let's be honest okay. Bert jones retired for years. Before i was ever heard of compare babe roots number three to bertone's number seven studio though when it's been talked about how many times so file thinks better of fair enough so that's fine boomer can be disappointed. Have your mickey mantle. He wore number seven. Yeah that was my answer. That i know. I know. he's a met fan but maybe he make mickey's talented before key. Surely oh yes you can in the studio you can. I've heard of other good football players. That didn't play necessarily. I've never heard of bir joan. Should i heard of him down down on. Never heard of boomer in his tweet about the craig. I've heard of him. Of course. yeah. Oh of course right ears. Bert jones play on the other hand salakati. Not knowing who bert jones is not surprising for some reason that doesn't think much. Well i mean it is what it is. I don't look forward to you. Know like three months from now when i see boomer again in this chair and he'll circle back to this day august sooner than for it as i right by the way i love boomer could've told you what high school he went to long island. I'm in of course. Yeah and my father went there. East is so. I know about that sal champi and all those different things bert jones. Sorry farrow anyway. Take a little break right all right tyrone tonight. No otani on the mound scratched sore wrist got hit by pitch over the weekend. But you should see him in there as d. again. Maybe he'll hit his forty third home. Run tonight you've got pre game on the fan. Eight fifty. five yanks are Seven back of the race. Who won again. Six to one of the red sox at the trump in front of that very tiny crowd down there in tampa. That's eight in a row. Excuse me saint petersburg eight in a row for the raise as they continue to cruise the yankees still three up on the red sox and the loss column for the top wildcard spot. Sal you mentioned perhaps wanna check out game one of this split doubleheader mets and marlins today One of the guys on twitter made me aware of on stubhub. I don't know if you guys talked about this during the break. We didn't say it though row. Three behind the dugout. Sixty five bucks feel. I can't go get right in there. Leave you committed to that. I would go because you would sixty bucks to go. Sit right on the dugout. Really let them have it. I know gene. I sat right by the on-deck circle two years ago. Right second row. It will what way to watch it. But you didn't let the players have it. This would be different. Neither and i wouldn't say either. I have to go for like a mask or something. Because i wouldn't want them to know who it was but i would definitely wear mean ask well. You don't wanna be you know. Seen oh is that the guy on tv then you trying to buy his somewhere. I don't know. I just want to get in any trouble trouble jerry. I want to go the other way from. I do wanna boo. They deserve to be booed. Who is gonna get you in trouble. I don't know my own professional as a member of the media paying customer behind the If he was on camera screaming yelling at school you into the baseball night in america wouldn't work all right. Taiwan walker is going to be on the mound for the resumption of that suspended games. The first sitting there playing nine beginning at one ten and then trevor williams will start the nightcap. it's the first two of a four-game set with miami jets. Connor mcgovern and transition and football here asked for his early thoughts on rob sala as the new jet head coach. A lot of people have asked me that out. You know outside friends family whomever and it's not a i don't know how i mean this in the nicest way possible. Like you know the jets previous head coaches had been back now in my sleep because i want you guys to try and guess what he said. Hopefully you didn't see what he said Not great he was building up to that and what he ultimately said i was like. That's not what i was expecting him to say. But okay. i don't even have a good guest. Can you play along here again. We're going to be a lot of people have asked me that out. You know outside friends family. Whomever and it's not i don't know how i mean this in the nicest way possible. You know the jets previous head coaches have been he gets you with the i mean this spiral nights achieve you. Think he's gonna laugh them in the face. And he said gurus why Yeah not like they've been gurus that we know. No because their previous head coaches have been gurus and the point. He's trying to has done a great job he was saying these were these were x.'s. And o.'s i see the ice either. Quit the way he built into it with their lack of suggests made it seem like he was using that word towards us that that's the first thing we think he's gonna say suppose but i mean the performance on the field has been has been bad dictates that no that's true by the way guys. I i have heard of jones before. I didn't know you were talking about bertram jones. Who of course is the ross rifle shots that in l. didn't pick up on that but that's where i didn't that i'm sorry sorry berge joan share anyway so you're right because rex has been here. Yes hi balls has been good in who who i miss between you know. There was no in between rice and bolts. No i missed the coordinate. The coordinator especially for gays now is while he's done really well in san francisco. Let's see how no actually his point was that solid like his approach his like his theme has mentality is very different from that saul is over going to beat you because you know we work harder than play with higher effort and no. He's a what. I would call leader man leader of men right which is different than the xs and os quote braces leader. Man yeah well yeah. it's fair. think he was. I mean i still think he was a buffoon. Real real head coach. What's what's going on over here. You want to share that with this. Got a nice tax boomers. Tweeden me how sent me a picture. Google image nineteen ninety-one pinnacle boomer size and bert jones. So the two of them together and he wrote you. Dip leap expect nothing less funny couple other football things forty four. We get to moment of the day. sean payton on the saints situation. The season openers to there in arlington at. At and t. Stadium where the cowboys. Obviously play displaced by hurricane ida. And i'm going to be able to play there for yesterday. And i don't know how accurate this was. One of the tweets. I saw that was out. There was the early like estimate on when power was going to be. Restored was like three weeks. Yeah so anyway. Payton's asked about their season-opener they're supposed to play at home. I believe against the packer of things. Probably from a priority standpoint. They're more towards the for our city. That being said we fully anticipate start the regular season with with green. Bay's question would be where that games and so think because you've got family story about living in the area like there's so much more going on than just the game yes but as far as the game is concerned. What kind of works in their favor. And i'm assuming they would explore this already at. At and t. cowboys. I games on the road. They have the thursday night opener and they play in la. I want to say a week to sounds right so it you know it's available. It's opening. I didn't really say to on the road what i know. The first names in tampa on thursday night football so that stadium is available for them. He probably right right. That stadium is absolutely available on that sunday. And i would say that makes the most sense. Now who would get the money for that. I'm assuming new orleans still gets it if they could sell because you can have a lot of things so you know assure you gotta give something to use. At and t. operatings because you'll losing how valuable especially after last year how valuable it is to get the influx of cash you. We have you know what does it eight or nine games now. I guess at home you need to maximize on that week. To cowboys are at the chargers. They were aren't clean opening their kyle. Shanahan this over the weekend he gets to this yesterday. All these coaches now that have quarterback competitions of course push comes to shove rosser getting cut down today weak ones right around the corner so they're being asked about their final decisions and shanahan wasn't really willing to give you a definitive answer just yet. I mean swab to see i mean. I don't like playing this game but everyone keeps asking me a question. I'm not just giving the answer just to satisfy the question. I think we got a pretty good idea. Like i said all along. I think our team does and We're pretty good with as long as i can. Keep surviving press conferences. So basically he knows but he's not a whole. No i'm confused was throw the opponent off. Yeah well you saw him over the weekend. And the preseason game not even alternating series with his quarterbacks but within the series itself. I believe he alternated garoppolo and trae lance. I could see if it were something where he wasn't truly shore and he didn't wanna definitively made that decision yet they might know but it sounds like he has the answer they already know. Yeah i would at this point. Be i know lance has the upside and at some point expecting to take over. I would be surprised if it's not garoppolo to start ii agree. Yeah now the dolphin situation with the shawn watson fascinates me just because like again. We're we're we're getting close to it. They they invested into a you know he's supposed to be the guy and you've got these watson rumors that are kind of flying around out there that they've been talked so on and so forth and blind brian flora's yesterday onto a gave you kind of straddle the line. I'm very confident to. He's done some good things. He's played well but my conversations with him will stay in house. He's got some improvements to make an ultimately they got to the discussion of the dolphins bringing wanting to bring high character players. And obviously with. What's going on with watson right now. You know you can make the question of away to send your question. So they basically asked him about that and the philosophy of them wanting to bring in the high character guys and you wanna talk about it trying to navigate his way through an answer. They can listen to you know. We have a standard of the of of they want the way we want people to for me. We have high standards when people around the organization. So i don't get into last strikes or anything just no way we. We want people high character who throughout the building. Now is he normally like that. I haven't. That's what we're looking for. All i know that hit. Let's put it this way. His press conferences are usually painfully boring. So maybe it's not that outside of it but because of the magnitude of the situation and the fact that he can't directly can't talk about watson it's just a lot of tap dancing very very also sounds more right there. Yes doesn't it sound like he's going there watson. I mean what what's the endgame here. What's he gonna do if they could get picks and to assume tool be going back in the deal right wouldn't he. I thought but one of the reports. I thought had to go elsewhere. Who knows what's you either way. If he's not to the texans are gonna watch just unload watson not bring back a young guy. I'm still surprised another team would do it. Well that's the third. The the mega deal of shawn watson to begin with that he's unhappy. Who's going to be able to go get him. And the pixel. You're talking about a young quarterback in his prime. That could be a game changer. Wherever he goes oh and then by the way the potential lawsuit or getting in trouble with the law resolve really is arranged for czar. We're late. let's get the moment here it's brought to you. By casa migos tequila customer goes tequila. Brought to you by those who drink is twice running back to listening pro-trade moment of the day job right. Caller wanted to let sound though that he is the exact kind of met fan. That door says and whoever else are looking to boost jimmy every reason to do it. Cut the lawn. Pay the guy for the mold days. Do that the ac guys gotta calm fourteen grant and the whole way single sal. I miss my days being single within the city once in two thousand twelve through fifteen. Who cared they stunk. Thousand twelve were relevant. Then for three years that we couldn't do fifty but come on jerry to get on the phone with all they've been doing losing. This is a franchise that twice in their history twice two times in their history since one thousand nine hundred sixty two of made the postseason in back to back years but the fans are in the wrong on. There will be patient being dead to stain success. But i'm not allowed to boo. Don't tell me what to do or don't blame me. don't shoot the messenger. i am the messenger. Somebody's gotta call him out. Geez but thanks for the call again tomorrow. Don't tell me what to do back after this very well done. Quarter to ten on the fan. And cbs sports network is becoming live in the built ford studio sal and jerry in four boomer. Ngo eights the morning show with boomer esiason and gregg giannotti boomer and geo power. We got a couple more minutes here to the top nine fifty four. It is sal jerry in for boomer. Ngo just real quick. I obviously the yankees lost last night. In anaheim to the angels shohei ohtani homerun blobel of eight seven three straight. We'll be i to me not a big deal because the yankees are always one win away from starting another ten game winning streak right and who knows. Maybe i'll start tonight. And i certainly expected to but they lost you. Get the two from the mets today. To set up the day one thing. We didn't discuss. Which i just found interesting. So i'm curious what your thoughts were. And this is way off the beaten path and i know that but i feel like we never talked about. Julius randle did his press conference on friday after officially signing his new extension. With the next. And i'll tell you. I didn't see the entire video conference but i did listen to most of his clips. I would say we've got like fifteen of them in the system. And if you're a knick fan. I think you've i know where vegas things they'll be and i don't know if they're gonna win more than forty two games but they certainly took steps forward last year. You got along randall. Though the i'm telling you. Sal if i was a knick fan listening to him talk about why he didn't go for the ultra max money what he wants to do in terms of bringing guys hear what the whatever the organization wants him to do he wants to be the face the organization. I don't know what it's going to turn out to be. But i would think for the first time going into a season you as a knick fan have to be fired up for what you saw last year. Knowing he's back the only negative with randall. Was what you saw in the postseason against the hawks last year. But you know what that happens. A young player players trying to lead the franchise to their first playoff win. And who knows how long and get through that series but he had a great year. Forget the playoffs for second. That's now in the past. You wanna move forward. And they did put pieces around him so where he should be helped. We have other guys who can score -fornia walker. You hope his knee holds up. And he's okay. But julius reynolds anything you could ever have wanted. If you're a knick fan and player the guy worked hard. He made himself better. He's dedicated himself to his profession to become the best player you possibly can. He makes the players around better. He wants to be in new york. You took less money so the team can benefit in the long run. He's a he's the tournaments into an all star. What more do you possibly want. If you're a knick band you want another one just like him is what you want to compliment him. But randall is the perfect player at the perfect time to bring this knicks franchise back and i know it deserves more time than this but i just wanted to make sure we got this. I was very. I was intrigued by what he said. And it certainly sounds like a guy that's got his head screwed on wasn't satisfied with last year clearly was bothered by the postseason that they had or the postseason series with the hawks. And that if i would think i would think if i was a great player that's going to be a free agent that now. Maybe now's the time looking what they've done. Kemba walker and again. I don't know who that guy will be. And when it's gonna to dame. I think they might. I've said that many and it sounds like it's going to line up next year we're dame says okay. I'm leaving portland now. Basically maybe next year. That'll be the case. But you know something big is going to be in the works for the next and that would be the obvious all right final break. We'll come back. Wrap it up in just a moment. Sal and jerry in for boomer and geo boomer and gio fourth studio tougher than before smarter than ever shopped the new ford lineup at by ford now dot com the code nineteen pandemic showed us. 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All In: Billie Jean King

That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

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All In: Billie Jean King

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Battled failures and how they ended up here talking to me. I am billie. Jean king in my dilemma is the only time i'm always running out and my voice had a sense of urgency since i was a baby so now it's real i mean real real. I mean it's always felt real but now crazy real being. I mean i'm seventy seven so i'm like ticked off that i'm not twenty or or seventeen. I love these. But i like these seventeen and have all this knowledge and all this experience and then let's go change that keep changing. Well billy. i can't imagine how it must feel in your seventies and for someone as accomplished as you are because i already feel that way now And you know at the deepest levels. I felt that especially last year during the conversations. Post george floyd That sort of combined with my reaction to reading glennon. Doyle's untamed there was just so much swirling in my head about the ways that i'd been conditioned to see race or gender all sorts of other things and the ways the systems of our society were built to hold back the marginalized and keep white men in power to limit women and people of color and lgbtq plus people people have certain religions all the ways that we've sort of been discouraged from asking questions digging deeper were seeking change from the way things have always been done and i wanted to go back to being a teenager. I wanted to be armed with my thirty. Something a piff unease about life about inequalities and injustice and it made me angry that it was taking me so long to get around to really better understanding these things to listening to the right people to reading the right things and it made me so frustrated on behalf of the people who are doing the work every day to make change in terms of equality across gender race religion. Everything else that. It feels like each generation. Some has to start fresh. There is a movement forward every day And that is reflected when these bursts of news or moments violence or otherwise sort of get us really invested in talking about it again. But it's not enough. We still take those steps back and restarting spaces. That we shouldn't have to go back to and part of that. Is generations learning about these things later in life and then the system and society. And the way we've always done. Things is indoctrinated whole nother generation of young people until they age into releasing things for what they are and i wish we could start younger so man it is just so difficult for people to see that endorsing the status quo pushing back on a change. That's wanted reacting negatively to the people who looked to open up your eyes now for better. That's as much of an agenda as the activists in change makers that are so often painted as rebellious or outrageous or even unhinged her unwell. Just for having an agenda that calls for change and wanting to rethink what's always been done People who want the status quo have as much of an agenda. We just don't know how to talk about the same way that choice to be neutral or silent and support. What is instead of what could be we just. We don't address it. And you know also heartbreaking in terms of time is. There's just not enough time to read all the books or here all the music. See all the places meet. All the people taste all the foods. So i have to say i don't. I don't have a solution for our lack of time but i do have some perspective on it and i would say we. We suffer from the blessing of being optimistic and happy enough to see every minute on this earth as a gift and to wish for endless more of it and you know for some people life is about powering through even though you know there's inevitable suffering and pain and and through no fault of their own a lot of people Life is really hard and so it's about finding the joy to keep you pushing through and for the lucky ones. It's about the joy of every moment and empowering through even though you know there's endless moments of happiness we won't have time for and what a great gift to want for more so no solution but just perspective. That's what she said. I usually keep my guest bios. Pretty short But i want us all the truly recognized. The accomplishments of this week's guest. Billie jean king you can hear the name of course conjure up all of the winds and acclaim and activism. But i guarantee you. There are things that would top anyone's resume the very top of their resume. That you don't even know. Billie jean king can boast So here's the short version. It's still quite long but she deserves it named one of the one hundred most important americans of the twentieth century by life magazine a two thousand nine recipient of the presidential medal of freedom. She's the founder of the billie jean king leadership initiative founder of the women's tennis association wti founder of the women's sports foundation part of the ownership group of the dodgers sparks an angel city f c. In september of twenty twenty. She became the first woman to have an annual global team. Sports event named in her honour when fed cup. The women's world cup of tennis was rebranded as the billie jean king cup. The national tennis center home of the us open was renamed. The usda billie jean king national tennis center in two thousand six in two thousand seventeen. You saw the film battle of the sexes. Depicting the cultural and social impact of her match with bobby riggs in two thousand eighteen. She were served a lifetime. Achievement award is part of the prestigious bbc sports personality of the year awards. Two thousand nineteen her California roots were recognized with the billie. Jean king main library in her hometown of long beach. Twenty twenty she got her own barbie doll as part of the mattel inspiring women series. Twenty twenty one. She received the laureus lifetime achievement award. She's on the board for the women sports foundation. She's an adidas global ambassador. Pass member of the board of the elton john aids foundation pass member of the presidential council on fitness sports nutrition and she has a new book out now today written with john howard and marianne vollers called all in an autobiography. I didn't even touch on so many other things. I could one of the greatest tennis players of all time. A true change maker a legend ledge and we could have talked forever Her memory incredible the color of reverse tennis racket dates of important moments remembering a twelve years. Old this epiphany that she had about the elitist and racist patriarchy of the tennis world and why she wanted to change it We also talked about how. Our ex-husband larry king. Who is not that. Larry king was able to help her see the inequities for women and fight for more at a very young age. How coming to terms with her sexuality and coming out with so difficult for her things you've never heard like her desire to be best friends with snoop dogg and the former number one. R&b song that she inspired. Her book is over. Four hundred page long so you know that this interview could have gone on for hours. We got him what we could fit in. Hope you enjoy it. That's what she said. Let's start at the beginning. I know you grew up in a family that was really into sports. He actually played football growing up But i read that. Your mom wanted you to try something more ladylike. We're playing football on the front you know. And we played in the street in those days a lot And so she said billy. Would you come in here please. To the house i go okay. I walk in. She is. I don't want i was about. I think eleven. Maybe anyway i'm right about in there. She's i don't like football anymore. What why not because. I wanted to be a lady at all times. And i go. What what does that mean. Well you know. I said no mommy. I don't know so she couldn't really answer either. So anyway i Stop playing football to keep her happy in maybe it was a blessing in disguise. And you know. Susan williams hadn't asked me to play tennis fifth grade who sit right next year. Data just been transferred. Thank thank you. Thank you god And she said you wanna play tennis. And i said what's test because you. I grew up in team sports. I love basketball. I loved softball So we went out and played. You know at her country club. And i'm thinking oh this is nice. My dad's a firefighter. No way. I'm going to be claimed glove but i i guess maybe if we come to the club we can play. I was kind of disappointed in a way. Because i'm really liked it. One thing i realized in tennis in about five minutes i can hit. You know like. I can touch the ball. You know. eighty to one hundred times where playing shortstop at a softball game. I don't touch the ball often. And it's kinda like singles really. It's the pitcher against you. Know against the hitter. It's very interesting. Actually i wanna. I wanna watch baseball. I see a singles and a team situation a little bit there. Oh yeah yep same time. But it's also tennis's team sport as well as an individual and. I don't think people realize it enough. So anyway. Thank thank you out playing softball game Susan and i plan on a softball team out at out and bark and she kind of you know. I took billy out the play tennis. You know like in she says really. She's we know they give free. Instruction here every tuesday and now like all three instruction. Now we're talking. Siro go home daddy. Daddy mommy i want to get a racket. You know kinda just loved. This is so much fun at so many ball. My dad's is yeah. And i said well. Can you get me racket. Can you buy my dad says well. How's that going to happen. I said well you won't buy me racket. I no did you figure it out you. You're telling me like it. You like it a lot even love it. Well show me you know. Show us basically so thank god. The neighbors were so sweet they gave me dimes. Nickels quarters do around their yards or whatever you know pseudo jobs for sure and and i got eight dollars and twenty nine cents in this. You know mason. Jar up in the cupboard. And i couldn't wait longer so i had my first racquet. It was a wilson that was wine colored purple. Yeah it's one of my favorite colors. Put those your blues pinks purples purple love so my first racquet head of felt purple handle and remember all from well known and had a white than had purple and purple strings and i slept with it on sunday night at free instruction like that's such an incredible thing phreatic potentially yet to have that opening to something that became such a love for you. Come from that but i also. It's funny that your mom wanted you to be lady like to play tennis because then Not long after that you were age. Eleven or twelve. You weren't allowed to be in a group picture because you were wearing shorts instead of a skirt. And i saw that. Your mom had actually sewed the shorts for you so as she was that a choice that you didn't want to wear the skirt or was she halloween uno about no just didn't we're not. We weren't tennis. We weren't tennis basle rule or we knew had to be all white and my mother did a great job. She made beautiful shorts and we go up there. And we're you know adhering to the rules you know. Wipe all white. I was wearing and that was the first day when we went to this big tournament. It's where you start getting. It was a los angeles says which is the mecca of southern california tennis at the time and it was a southern california championship which is a huge tournament in section. And that's the first day. I saw tennis skirts and tennis dresses. I want oh mom. Look look at these dresses. Look at these skirts. And then he said okay everybody get ready for the photo and then they would let me be in it. Well i'm a child who had not been around. And so arthur ash. And i used to talk about arthur ash humanitarian and was number one in the world for a year or two but he and i used to talk about this ad. Nauseam about how to make your sport hospitable. That is number one. And i experienced something. That wasn't very hospitable. And i you know. I i'd already decided I wanted to be number one. When you know that first time i went out to to get instruction with clive walker. At the end of that day i decided i wanted to be the number one tennis player in the world. So that was that then. My mother goes. That's nice to have more well and jerry's kept my brother me grounded when you were five. You're washing dishes and said i'm going to do something great with my life so it's interesting that you at these young ages like there was some big ambition and dream that was bigger than the space you were in of and i think i'm starting to put together. I was gonna ask you at the age of twenty four. You were already so verbal and critical about the elitism of the sport and that i guess stems from that very early experience of realizing that those who maybe don't understand it or weren't accustomed to it might feel unwelcome. That's the constant Challenge you want. Yeah you wanna make sure that those experienced do shape your life. There's no question. But at twelve years. Old i had my Which really shaped entire life. And i was sitting at the los angeles tennis club daydreaming kind of in the day and i started noticing that everybody could play. Tennis was Y you know. Wore white shoes like close by. Ball's everybody play with white. And i said where's everybody else. And i didn't really affected by watching television. Where like ruby. Well this is after actually bitches was nineteen sixty but even before when the little rock nine couldn't go to class versus education. I mean all these things in our. I'm living in long beach. California and watching this on television and television was the first huge equalizer. 'cause whether you're a poor child or rich out most people eventually at a tv or go your neighbors. That was a big big deal. And you'd see these things and you just knew it was right. You know. I say to my mom that why. Why can't they go to school. What's i don't understand the filing of course wakeup call my desert. Because they're negro. I said you mean because of their color said yes said. I said i don't understand that that is to me is just ridiculous so anyway i'm i'm at twelve and this adjust started playing tennis and i just ask myself where everybody else and i promised myself that day on. Never forget it. That i would fight free polity the rest of my life. I just that was going to be an. I knew i was so lucky to be in tennis. Because it was all over the world though it wasn't just in the us. And i knew. I just knew as a child. That was an extra to have that that this wasn't just this is all over. The world gets drought. If i'm good enough. And i knew i had to be number one especially as a girl because people do not listen to women so i i knew already as a eleven twelve thirteen year old that we were second class citizens and then my sisters of color have it worse and i thought wow so much to do in this world. Let's go but i knew tennis was the ticket and i knew i was very lucky. That i the god gave randy meeting coordination that we had the way had parents who did not do gave us time and space. I mean they were the opposite of helicopter parents right. I know but there's too many of them. That's why they are. Don't succeed are so it's interesting. We're talking about across everything everything. Yeah graham helicopter. And now the snowplow parents were the no which is just as bad today. Many small business owners are busier than ever time spent searching for an interviewing the wrong candidates for a job. Opening could be time better. Spent growing a business. That's why lincoln jobs has made it easier to get to the candidates worth interviewing faster and it's free create a free job post in minutes on lincoln jobs to reach your network and beyond to the world's largest professional network of over seven hundred fifty million people focus on candidates with the skills and experience. 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Then there are other days you just have to get in the gym and see some gains to put all the reps and get stronger each day but whatever path you take to greatness. Gatorade is there to help fuel that journey because greatness starts with g. I think you also reinforce that idea of being second-class or understanding the things that you would need to change not just for issues of race but of gender and you talk about you met your husband. Your ex husband. Larry king in the library at college You credit him a bit with your feminism. Because he said to you. I'm here on a scholarship. Because i'm a man and you're not because you're you're the best known person in the whole school and you're the that the whole school and this is ridiculous and i and i. He just reinforced and put it in crystallized it so clearly That this is what the heat this. Those ridiculous biochemists major. So he had to two grants or scholarships or whatever. We're calling those days because this is pre title nine people. I don't know people know out there. Title nine is what changed everything For we for the first time. We got athletic scholarships more than that. It was the first time they got rid of classroom. Quotas for women before nine hundred seventy two like if you want to go to. Harvard is a doctor. They only allowed five percent of the class to be women. So it's like whoa so they that knocked down the doors and the in the reasons because of money and this while you'll notice a lot of ivy leagues and other schools went co ed in the seventies is because when the federal government gave these schools money for the first time they had to spend it equally on women and men and so the schools who are single gender said. Whoa we don't want to miss out on fifty percent of that money So we're gonna go co ed and that's why you have law schools and today that used to be single gender are now coed is because of title nine so that changed everything in the classroom. That's why we have more women in college and university is because nine hundred seventy two title nine. So i was pre title nine baby so i was working two jobs and going to calculate whereas arthur ashe had a full scholarship. Ucla stan smith who was also number one eventually at a full scholarship to southern california. And you didn't see anybody bellyaching or standing up for us or worrying about us now if been reverse. Can you imagine if. I had the scholarship. Arthur and stanton. Can you imagine the ruckus. Oh my god well gonna ask about that. Because that's one of the things that so impressive to me about you. And that i want to learn from because as a woman who works in a male dominated field as a woman who like you is a co owner of an n. Wfl team you guys. Yeah we went angel starts. We'll be rivals but for now. Appreciate your spot. Yeah but we're all together which is great. I want more and more women to invest. That's why long my partner. I invested in the football and we also are part of the dodgers. So what else right. The elliott works too. Yeah barks too. And i'm from where i'm from. Long launched from south africa and she was number one in the world than doubles really great business person very good sales very good at putting things together. But we want to invest more and more in to Women owned businesses and also may own businesses. Let's the dodgers is very male owned in fact we're probably getting the room. Yeah if we're we're the only women directly unless your wife of the guys but those wives are very one of them particularly fantastic involved so wanted to ask about that. Because as i'm to to your point about time and your dilemma. It does feel like when we could talk about conversations of race and equality and lgbtq a there is a recycling of some of the same fights generation after generation and people cooper sure and and you move the conversation further with each step so that you're starting place is hopefully ahead of where it was before. But you do feel like you're starting over. And as i'm fighting these fights i feel like it's so long overdue and yet there's people that are just so angry about the idea of women being in these spaces and places so i i. I'm curious how before title nine before women's professional sports leagues were thing before it was even really accepted for women to be ambitious athletes. What was inside of you or maybe. What were you raised with her to. What do you attribute your ability to look at the landscape and say i don't really give a shit if this exists yet or if anyone else is going to be in the fight with me i'm going to do well. It's not an. I think it's really a we think because you can't really do it alone especially big changes. I need it as a group. But then that's where you as a person go out and lobby and get the people with you and they help shape your ideas because they also have great information you have thought about so you come up with better idea because you get input from a lot of different Sources so No i it's that twelve year old. Tiffany like we were amateur tennis. I hate the word amateur. If you're going to get paid and we were getting fourteen dollars a day or twenty eight and then sometimes we get money under the table. So i got in trouble because we fought firm or i did and i was yelling because by now number one in sixty like sixty six sixty seven. We went pro tennis. Start in sixty eight a so Espn hasn't started yet. That was seventy. Was that seventy five seventy six. I was pretty much finished by the time. They got started But no it was a long haul but it was getting people together in. It was a lot of sources. But there's something out on audible call the dollar rebellions about the nine of us. Nine recall original nine. We just got inducted into the hall of fame tennis international tennis fame last week and rats that was so great because all we had seven out of nine there and all of us are still alive but the thing is we are the we are the reason. There is women's professional tennis today. We are the reason. Tennis is the leader. We're still relevant that moment when we signed a one dollar contract with buying salman who is published her tennis magazi- without that moment when his tennis would not be worried. Is the reason osaka Naomi who's playing you know. She's the reason she made. Fifty five million dollars last year is because of that one dollar contract okay. i it's totally connected. Okay quick aside here We'll get right back to the interview for those who aren't familiar with the original nine and that one dollar deal in short billy and eight other players signed with publisher and promoter gladys helmet in nineteen seventy to form a separate women's tennis tour which led to the founding of the women's tennis association in nineteen seventy-three and it was then nearly fifty years ago that billy successfully pushed the us open to start offering equal prize money to women a half century ago again. I'm telling you this woman was demanding. What was fair and equal you. Look at tennis. you'll get the way women are embrace. Supported beloved are an equal if not bigger at times to the men and meanwhile the nc double a. is still trying to defend undervaluing. The women's college basketball tourney by one hundred million dollars a year. I mean back to that time thing we talked about. I wish that billy was seventeen again. So she could spend another lifetime pushing for that same parody inequality across all sports like she didn't tennis. It's unbelievable anyway back to the interview. Alana naira working in other sports are company. Billie jean king enterprises also doing deion i for companies which were doing a lot trying to go in and look at the culture of companies for instance at work Forty six percent of you know our my community engagement of the lgbtq. Plus you know a. I whatever it's like forty six percent of it still are in the closet at work and if you cannot be your authentic self you don't get as much done. You're always tense. I mean i was tense. I had a terrible A terrible journey with my sexuality was terrible. It was like. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy and now today when people come out celebrated and i'm like i'm so excited because finally it's okay. It wasn't okay. I got i got killed. I lost all. My sponsorship was called horrible. I was. I lost a lot of money. I lost a lot of money. That would not happen today. In fact probably would make money today so because of it. And so i love it you know now. I make money because i'm a lesbian. Sometimes i think we need a win for the lgbtq community. Come in dog do a conversation. And if you wanna look at look at my journey versus every you know. Each person's got their own journey. That it was terrible and it. Can you imagine the the generations before me and the people shoulders. I stand on. I can't i just can't fathom how hard it must have been. I don't want to ask about that. Because i was reading that it. It wasn't even really your your choice right so two things you meow was. Oh well you're you're you're i'll tell you thanks. I was outed. But yeah or that. During the seventies when i was trying to figure things out i was told if i say one thing we will not have a tour Okay so when you're told you're not even going to have a women's professional door if you start to speak out that's that's not just about me anymore. That is about all of us. So i had that as well coming at me. Plus the culture of the time was not very accepting in fact not at all in fact even the psychologist psychiatry community Didn't say we're okay. Until like about seventy five. I think in the book or seventy four seventy five in there have gotten my book So we weren't considered okeydokey or considered like something wasn't right or deviant. That's such an incredibly personal thing to come to terms with and then to wanna share with people and i and there were two moments in your life. That really stood out to me. That weren't your choice. One was your your husband sharing with ms magazine that you had had abortion yet comes out in the magazine as as this female empowerment thing. But it wasn't your choice to tell them that and then a decade later. You're still dealing with this in that you become the first prominent female professional athlete to come out but not because of choice because of an issue with the former girlfriend who was you know a lawsuit or whatever so now you have these two incredible moments where you're publicly talking about things that there's going to be a lot of consternation and and perhaps criticism and neither were by choice. How do you have the strength to react in those moments and and take control of your own story with difficulty. I probably still try to figure that out. Sometimes just I think it was meant to be. And i wanted to use it in a positive way. I wanna use my native experience in a positive way like trying to help people come out on their own terms and trying to a person should only come out with ready to come out and that should be it now to be there for them and support them as one thing. But i would never out somebody i would never force somebody out because it's very personal gape thing into some kids. Oh it wasn't that hard on. I'm thinking that's great. I'm not gonna wonderful. I think it's wonderful and But he lives. You know our trans what they're going through. I just go crazy with that. That's another challenge. The women's sports foundation which i founded nineteen seventy four is very much Trying to help girls and women's sports at the local level as well as issues in the trans issue right now Of having trans athletes be able to participate. Now it's it's tough because trying to do the right thing. What's what is right. And so i'm talking. You know conflict talking to scientists. I don't think we know enough yet about this far as sports But the point is my what i want for. Our trans community is that they get a chance to play right including compete with. Start one. Just fine away. And because of all the prejudice out there and these stupid state laws So i'm i just spend an hour and a half on the phone day lawn and i did with sports. Not nation got people that are that are in the know in this area. Because i'm constantly trying to learn because i know i don't know enough i'm totally ignorant and all these different issues and i keep trying to learn and so that was really great. Just listen we listen to trans woman du maurier. We must scientists. We listen i. Don't you know. I just know bottom line every person every trans person every to have a chance to compete in play just like we did with ahead head of. That wasn't a safe. But but even we had rene rick with rene nineteen yeah dog greatly criticised from your peers. Chrissie evert and martina navratilova. And you said at the time all women should stick together and that's an seventy-seven there are people would argue against saying all women about a trans woman. And you were doing it in the seventies and i'm drew. Is it difficult for you now. Because i actually. I've really loved the way. The women's sports foundation has reacted actually. Did a podcast myself with Experts in the field to better get out the truth about especially youth transportation all the rice equivalency and all the statistics that are based on nothing but martin advertising part of a group that i think is doing really damaging work where they think that they're operating on behalf of female athletes and women's sports. What they're doing so in a way. That's incredibly detrimental to the trans community and is based really on a lot of fear mongering and not statistics. That difficult for you to see yet is difficult life. I even called martina. And i said martina just think we should back off just a little learn more but i totally respect your opinion. I don't agree. I don't know what. I think you may be right. You may be right. I don't know the point. Is i want every person every transportation everybody to have a chance to compete and play just like you just like. We started women's professional. Tennis with jew. And chris evert were fantastic and helped us so much but also were the first generation of it was therefore you And i don't tell her that because she knows that i don't go into. That don't have to tell her all that. But i'm just saying this for our audience is that They were our first generation of professionals. We're the transition generation. That took tennis from amateurism to professionalism. Were the ones the original nine. Plus all the other women than people and men who tried to help so i said this is a little bit like that. It's that we need. I think we all need more information. And i wanna listen to trans athletes. I want listen to trans people. They are the ones experience it now rene along with martina. Dr richards And she's she's my off bala just by the way andy is my smallest. She's eight she's retired basically with still works one day awaiting in upstate new york so we still go to her and we love her. She's a great friend Which she went along with you. I'm not so sure. She really looked. I don't know. I don't know but she said well. What five and younger and you've got to you have to be off of this You go through this transition lease for years to be. You shouldn't do that just well. i've been younger. I would have killed all of you. You know i would have beat you so badly. And i'm like i'm listening. This is so. I'm listening because i'm always trying to learn. I don't know what the right answer is. I do talk to a scientist katrina. What's in carson in san francisco. I'm always asking. How's it going. But they've done studies quite frankly where men who have won. Gold medals at the at the olympics would would be considered on their testosterone levels with considered female. So i think the the howie mental the the metabolism a just austrian the metabolism of every other part of us it. I think there's way too much testosterone as the ultimate decider in someone's ability and science case. Otherwise yeah well. I didn't actor but it's not It's not a it's rail right right and also we only assign that arbitrary number to decide when a woman has passed over into no longer being woman enough to compete. We never care. A man has enough natural testosterone when everything it's because we want to set barriers what women can achieve but we're always amazed and delighted at the heights that men can reach but with women. It's always the be right. Something must be wrong. Let's go and we so people wanna keep us down a lot and they shouldn't do that because you know the the brain power the the greatest natural resource we have any country. Any place in the world. Don't ever ever exclude fifty percent of the population. That's just dumb. And now we we're we live in a non binary worlds. I can't even say it in that way in percent so every time i say wait a minute. That's not quite right either but all right. We're learning. we're learning that of the key. We'll get right back to the interview. But first what's your favorite word. One of my favorite words freedom. If you knew by history would know that. I have freedom and a lot of things like i love credit. Scott king's saying about freedom has never really one. It's it's one and earned or earned in one in every generation. Yeah how however generation has to just keep fighting for freedom because wits freedom. There's a whole lot of responsibility. Which i think a lot of people forget you. Don't say oh free. I don't oh i'm free enough to wear my mask really yet. You pretty much nailed that. There billy the mic drop on the on the favorite word freedom to great word From the old english power of self-determination state of free will emancipation from slavery deliverance You set a lot. And i would add only it is a word not to be co opted by those who forget that there's responsibility in freedom. Every choice you are free to make has consequences for others to. It's an important part of freedom. Speaking a great words today the word of the week is shout out to at a dubs junior on twitter for bringing me this week's magic word of the week capitalism a word that changes its meaning. And sometimes it's pronunciation when the first letters capitalized. So for instance couple examples march capital m. is the third month of the year whereas march lower cases the action of walking briskly in rhythm or walking in protest Lower case lent is part of the verb lend. A capital lent is a period just before easter. A hamlet is a small town capital. Hamlet a play by william shakespeare. You get the picture. Maybe another example polish capital p. Somebody from poland lower case polish the action of shining the surface of something or the substance use to shine it which leads me to a true story which also happens to be the word in a sentence not yet aware of the existence of contra names. Young sarahspain asked her mother. If they're polish cleaning lady would be offended by the bottle of polish remover on the bathroom counter. Now let's get back to the interview. Let's go back to that word. You mentioned freedom because it's not just about freedom for yourself it's about how you choose to use your freedom and what choices you can make to help others right. As children grow up. Wants them to think. I'll be on themselves. And that's in some ways i. It's so interesting with social media. How branding has become so important. And that's the word i mean. Some of the people i listened to. It's is this and i won. That and i did this. I'm like excuse me. I know you're telling me about your bran but i need to know something else. Besides what are you want. what do you want for the world when you want. I hear what you want for yourself. So it's very good but on the other hand because of social media and the kids are so great young people think about others a lot. I mean look at the protests. Look at the. You know the inclusion of the protest because of social media. Because people. I mean when i was their age we didn't have that we had to get the media on our sides. We had nothing and even this day to this day. Ninety five percent of the media controlled by men so it's tough at the traditional. So but i'm very thankful to the traditional media to the photographers. The tv people the broadcast people. Be you know Just everyone you actually told our story when we're starting the women's professional tennis and if we didn't have that we wouldn't have made it so very indebted to them as well. I often talk about that. Actually that there's Obviously so many drawbacks to the internet. But one of the better ones One of the better things about it is it removes the necessity of gatekeepers at every level of what gets hurt and the stories get told because it isn't up to editors of newspapers or program directors at radio stations to decide who gets a voice. Because if your voice is loud and strong enough it'll get amplified by the rest of the people and that allows some of those people who have not been heard from before and to your point does not require the the people in the mainstream media. But it's hard. Yeah well the hard part is getting it known of so much information. Now in so many podcast. So many there's so many that Who do i listen to. I've only got twenty four hours a day. What is your and i'm in. Unfortunately i'm interested in so many things. I'm like a god. I wish i weren't sometimes. I wish i was just like okay. I only care about x. I don't care about anything else is like i care about your also right but and that's why you're dilemmas time because there's only so much time to read all the books and learn all the things and help all the people and make all the change to takes all of us. That's the deal that's what leadership's about the followers choose leaders leaders. Don't choose followers. So i think a lot of times people think about that. I don't know about you if you think back over your life. Because i reading your life in some my gosh your jock. Your tv personnel. And everything i mean. I'm like this girl's by you. Play different sports. Which is what. I did as a child. I know you've played softball volleyball and basketball on you. All these I mean basketball is my first love and my dad was really good. I have a younger brother. Randy moss To play twelve years of major league baseball. So i don't know yeah. Multifaceted could be good. It also can feel like there's never enough time if i could just say on the podcast. Is that when a woman leads. She leads for everyone. And i'm sick and tired of when we lead. Sankey what you've done for women's tennis. Thank you done for this. No i appreciate their intention. I totally get it. And i totally appreciate it but no we lead for. Everyone just like a guy does or transportation or winter. Everyone leads for everyone when they lead. So i i think we'd ever get that to change and i think at espn. I'm sure that's one of the tough things that you have to deal with them. There's very few women really at espn compared to the guys. I know so i think. Espn's hold hopefully will change slowly while fast actually will start cared compared to everybody else but still lots of work to be done right. Yeah lots look better numbers but we just did it. We just did a. I was just we just did our Our humanitarian awards the other night. Yeah we've got through one of which is named after you. Yes on the only girl on. I keep saying you guys can't. I'm down another one. So i want to ask about because like i was going through your mind. There's there's just a million and like we just talked about. You're the first woman to have. You know the espn humanitarian word named after your first to coach a coed team in pro sports i to be a commissioner in professional sports history to win. Us singles titles on all four services to read. Reach the the you know. Get the presidential medal of freedom. It's just like an endless array. You could go on and on and on but i read an interview with you all the way back in one thousand nine hundred forty and you said you remembered how nice it was to be number one and you're only regret is you had too much to do off the court and deep down. You wondered how good you could have been at tennis. You've just gotten to concentrate on tennis. Do you still feel that way. Because i it doesn't feel like you're you regret it all the work that you've done but but to the point of time. Maybe you wish you could have cloned yourself and had one that focused on the tennis and one. That did all the other stuff. Exactly right perfect. That's exactly right Well chris ever really sweet choice talks about how often i would go to a sponsor meeting in the morning and then play a match in wonder why wasn't hundred person and cheap cheap played me in philadelphia when you're after the match eagles something are you. Okay that's great. And then she found out later from pugh. Oh you know. She was in new york today. Trying to bring home sponsor for all of us and then she took the train down here and play june. She went oh my god no wonder okay so so. Chris has been really very sweet martina tho. Those two did help so much because when they came along their rivalry just cemented women's professional tennis. I mean it was just. They were amazing and they took the game to another level I'd wanna talk about what i like. I was on pretty good in the seventies. The mediating could care. Less about what. I was eating what i was doing. But then you go if you fast forward ten years when that martinez during his thing and they're going. Oh my god. She's revolutionized all think but no but the media the people are ready to hear it too but martina was such a great jock. She's definitely the best singles doubles and mixed player. Ever do live. She's left handed which caused a lot of people challenges. But i i like left you. I go into my strength but Most people do not And fewer left-handers in those days than there are now in the winter. So you didn't see this as often as the office of everything. I think it was martina that you were talking about. You said you were watching her and thinking well. That was nice when i was number one. And i'm looking. How great she has. You had all these other focuses which to your point. You're talking about doing the meetings it's up. I was amazed to learn after all these years. I never knew that your battled. The sexes with bobby riggs was like in the middle of another tournament. You i mean it was. It was the day before another match. It was not its own special things so beyond the actual physical tennis you had to play. It was the pageantry and the emotional energy of being brought in on the you know the the men carrying you on a on a on a thing and and all the other egyptian literally call illiterate litter. That's the word. I don't think of it but i want to ask about the mental pressure of that because the upside of that was huge and the downside was let me just walk right in and prove to everyone what they think about women that we're less than and we can't. How did you steal yourself for something. That could have gone so poorly well. This happened in one thousand nine. Seventy three and half in september twenty thousand nine hundred seventy three and seventy three was very pivotal year in our sport. The managers started their sociation the year before. We finally got our women's tennis association. Yes four days. Before wimbledon. And bobby follow me around for two years bugging the heck out of me to play. I say i don't have fun trying to make the women's tour happen that because we make lots of money. I it's not about money for me. Don't you understand about history it's about. It's about developing something for the future and he goes Let me go. And so anyway he went. He started he went to chris. Everything went to nancy. Richey went to these other players and finally margaret court australian that i'll play because the money was good so today with sound like a pittance but then it sound like a ton in so i was in the elevator with when she told me she was going to play him. And i gulped. And i said margaret margaret margaret margaret. This is not a tennis match. this is cultural. it's about social change. It's about you have to win. I remember this. Is the elevators got. I gotta say these really quickly because it's only five stories right so she gets out to go get a transportation car just gonna tell you have to win this batch okay. She is okay. While talks she got killed on mother's day. And i said to larry my former husband at the time i said larry. She's not gonna lose. She should kill him. Okay she should but if she doesn't if there's at one percent chance she doesn't i do have to plant. I won't have a choice because he's making so much noise. Sure she loses badly I said and i just said can we wait until after. Someone's over. Because i want to get through that and then we can announce it so. That's what we did. It's in the book actually if you read it. I'm looking forward to reading it all. It's called all in it's called all in and it's like i put four years into it with different people marian bowlers. John had howard. Who you might know. Works reiner and also others in the research we have. We had a full time researcher for four years. I mean it's we're still finding out things after we. You know like that should have been on the books right. Everybody talks about that. But anyway there's a lot and then we had about nine hundred pages when we get down to four hundred and some so gosh try to really get the essence iron but no no. No no. it wasn't about this. What did you want to say what what was the last one was like nineteen eighty or something. Eighty no eighty three or something. No this is about my life up to now And it's also. I'm putting the time not someone's just writing about so. This was really putting. I didn't put time in with frank ford. I did put some time in with kim Chapman he was great. But that was nineteen seventy four. And i just finished the rigs match. I had so much life after that so now this one was the labor of love. I put for years of just off. We'd take week. I'd take weeks months putting time and effort on this and trying to get it right because you really want the and i keep thinking if we help one person if this one person be more comfortable in their own skin or is held gives somebody an idea or this for the future because everything is future generations. Everything i did with bernie tee up for the teacher generations just like with the women's sports dacian that just getting at teed up but then what do you do. We've given. i think close to one hundred million dollars in grants already and we do something with. Espn w Sports for life those. That's just for girls of color because we know they need more help so we concentrate on that as well So we do a lot of our billion king leadership initiative we go. We give out money. We gave out money to frontline workers. We just quickly made a million and just gave it right out to them but we go to companies. We do d. d and i And try to help those companies. That's what we really do. As as a company as a as a profession and alana runs out and we have great people and a lot more to add because like you said not only did. Have you done all these different things after your tennis career was over. But you were fifty one when you finally felt comfortable talking to your conservative religious parents about your sexuality and you've talked about what a toll it takes on someone to not be their authentic self and that a lot of it was not just self preservation in terms of your own mental health. And how you dealing with the shame that you felt but preservation of your efforts and a concern that who you loved might affect your ability to get progress for women's tennis women athletes all that stuff athletes out. We really earned that sport. We try to help all sports but in time. So now it's been twenty plus years since you came out and you able to acknowledge your true self and your relationship with the lawn and everything else. Is there a pivot point after which you feel like okay. Now that i've leaned into this true self. It actually is helping me or do you still come up across barriers in the worker trying to do with people who are a- reticent to work with you because of your sexuality you never know because they never talk about you have to kind of feel it and you. I know i could be wrong. But yes i would say. Sometimes people say less and less. Now it's it's very in fact people business right now say you know black lives matter which i love and i've got stick stuck on my caps in my hand lane and everything on that Now they're saying it's it's kind of calming down from a commercial point of view to now it's the lgbtq. I a. plus community. Okay so i think there's a huge amount of opportunities For for our group to do well. We're on tv now which you know routine okay. Here's a perfect example. Repea- no and bird never that is. I'm so happy i celebrate. Every time i see them one of them are either of them. Were both together because they are the epitome and then also are women of color with the wnba and also in tennis. You know when we started the tour back in the old days we made sure we had women of color on the tour and By logan you know and so the hooks and cobra or a. I three women of color and still in touch with them I knew we didn't. I talked to blot. Gladys is the one that got them gladys hellman really talked we talked. I said we have to have women color. I don't care she's well. We make sure they can compete. I said even if it's marginal we have to have them. And i guarantee you. There's some really great ones that we don't know about. That's what always happens. When you have people doing a miller and given we open up your door you realize oh my god better than we are as good or better. Whatever right and so it's like we gotta get the visibility to me was very important to have them. It's the visibility. It's the optics it's very important to send messaging through your optic so I felt really strongly about that in that. Could be the case point about repeating effort about a women of the wnba being proud and black and so activists and also athletes all right that changes people's perceptions one little bit at a time even the does who are not certain that is being changed. Just that constant exposure makes such a difference. Another thing i find when someone's comfortable in their own skin everybody else's more comfortable It allows us if someone says something to me. I get more comfortable immediately about them and about the subject or who. They are confident completely. It's likes the biggest attract. Like getting to know dr renee richards. Back in seventy seven and spending time with her now. She's great friend. Do you realize what a what a privilege for me to know. Transgender woman in the seventies compared to today. Now it's finally know and and they're famous are in television they're cox what's shouldn't Courtney isn't it the laverne cox liver. According to the other other switches on france laverne. Lebron is fantastic. All these and their their star is now. And i just you know the more we see them more comfortable everybody gathering the more. We're all one. It's just it's it's it's like a raindrop it's like and you've been on it since you were just give up since you were twelve. It's i. I'm just so impressed that it's been a lifetime worth of that and And to do it in a time when it just wasn't as well received in there wasn't as much support is so impressive I know that you're at the time here but you have to do the one thing that everybody does before they nobody expects experiment. The spanish inquisition expects inquisition. It's the spanish inquisition. Ten speed round questions number one. Your many current careers are cancelled. What job do you do instead. Wow i have so many jobs. I i don't know what's left. Yeah basket weaving quilting. No no no. I can't do that. I know physically actually physically go to an office or not officer. Virtually whatever right work at the grassroots level like micro level. Okay like i would love. I like. I'm connected miss school down in lower east side. I would love to just work there. Every day is kids. That's a great answer. Micr micro might have worked very my level so much extra on number two. What's the most scared you've ever been sexuality Number three you can be the best in the world at one thing for one day. That isn't tennis. 'cause you already were for a long time. What is it president of the united states. Oh cast number four. What current celebrity music politics. Tv or sports. Would you most like to be your best friend. I already have best friends in that area. Too many too. Many know. I do and i. I am so lucky to do. I don't really have a there. Is someone that you just see and think. Oh gosh. that person's seems so fun. Absolutely about now i got to go into my head was shirt threat. One stephen quiz. Who is your stephen colbert. I wanted to be best friends with tina fey. Amy poehler jennifer garner slot. People just seem delightful. Nick offerman. i took all my friends already. I know i know i know. Snoop dogg because you know. I went to the same high school. And i loved the half. I'd love to have a perfect a wonderful conversation with him. We have we have this came. Yeah because we. We went to poly high school long. I don't know if you know about it. You should read about long beach and now you know you're in trouble of it. It's a snoop line You know it is what you did. He also did a. I have the tape that i plan before i do. Speeches or conversations in his voice is in. It is voice Way and that's amazing. I love that there's a long beach. Religion king live main library. That's in the beginning of a commercial. I think new way. I think there's yeah way that's awesome. Senate what's your biggest most meaningless pet peeve perfectionist You are annoyed that you pursue it or when it when you see it and others know myself now no others. I know i know i have to sell crew. It's easy to look at somebody else and say whatever. And that's why i go to psychotherapy for twenty thirty years to save it. I think it saved. That probably is helping more than any disorder place and having a psychotherapist for a long time. I don't have to go through my history anymore. No i believe that It's really important to ask for help. And i probably did not reach out for help. Because i didn't know where to go. I didn't trust and you do have to trust to you. Ask for help. That's another whole different thing for sure. number six. What's the most embarrassed you've ever been gone every time you walk on. The court decided to hide. Sometimes and yet yet i feel just the opposite switch goes on. Actually i love to perform. Its when you come off the court. He gets a shy. But you're saying what am. I won't embarrassed. Yeah like usually people remember some i. I think what they're pets bidding. I don't know but well i didn't do that. Came close go for you. I think for me. It's when it's been public. I've had to deal with personal stuff. It's yeah it's rough. It's disrup- i can't i i don't know if embarrasses quite Were though probably is though number seven. What's the thing about yourself. You most like to improve. Get rid of like especially if i'm talking to another person. Get rid of being such a perfectionist. Just try to back up. You know backup just go softer. Because sometimes i get boom. I want to go for it. Let's go and i think But i also know what i've done my best is when is it that happy medium type of thing. I don't know that one. what's that one again. i'm here. I said them yourself. You'd most like to improve right down. Come up with the perfect answer and then call me back crew. Yeah that's right approve onto be able how. 'bout eat less. I love to eat. Man i love. I love my shug. Gosh i'm not going off of it. I've decided to not doing it. I had my steve bali pops. I love at number eight any musician or band alive or dead can play at your next party. Who is it always helped him because he's a good friend. Elton john while i was gonna say earlier your favorite words freedom and very few of the guests on my show. I would imagine a song written after them by elton john evolving their favorite word philadelphia freedom. Liberty impressive pretty impressive debating. It became number one and crossed over into r&b became number. One and elton was so excited. Because i are and be number one. I think it's the first one extra crossover. He was so excited. I would love trivia question to be what nup former number one. Aren song was inspired by billie jean king. That's such a very very special way. You got therapy on it. You number nine. Would you consider your biggest failure. I don't think of failure failure. I think it's failures feedback. I never use the word failure. I call it feedback. What was the your best moment of feedback. The best moments coming out to being truthful. I think that was very first off my backside. Although i still had years to get there so that wasn't just a one shot deal Also you have pr agents you know. Your your publicist selling you one thing. have a team of people rounded at tell you a lot of things that that was good and bad so both leagues up. I don't know you finally number ten three individual words. Would you most hope that people would use to describe you later kind. I hope kind kind of good type of thing and Empathy i hope. Yeah those are good ones. And who should i have on the podcast. It doesn't matter what industry they're from what they do. They are just someone. I would find interesting. Had julie foudy. I have found as the best ship. That's right you did have. I've actually read that did you have you had If you had a socket yet. No but i would love to. So that's gonna. I think that'll be a wrong. Probably gotten hey. Thank you so much for doing this. This is so fantastic. Talk to you. I could've talked to you for hours longer. But great congratulations on your career. So far you're still young very young. Do you have a dream at all like beyond what if you had the one you can have. What would it be. I'm not very good at that. Unfortunately okay well still weren't gonna yeah good working on the dream. It keeps changing. It used to be to have my own Like kind of late night. Tv show kind of thing. But i think it's it's steve. It's getting a lot bigger. Yeah like steve bear. It's getting a lot bigger to two things that involve big picture. Other people change. As i get older i think is a good sign me more about we like you said yeah. I think the we is really important when people start to think about things and it makes it more fun. Yeah totally more fun than anything for sure. Oh it's just more fun to be with. Well if you love people. I love people so yeah well. Thank you so much for doing this. I know you're busy and appreciate so much time and for setting it up all right. Thanks a lot. they're good to you. The future yeah for sure at a at a red stars angel city game. Yeah right going. That's what she said. Oh yeah one more thing. This is a place for ransom or raves. Or to tell you to read something. Watch something Check some out. Whatever's on my mind and i think it's quite clear what's on my mind. Go read billie. Jean king's book all in it's out now. What a powerhouse. What a force we. Men women nine binary people as she mentioned. She's led all of us and we owe her a debt of gratitude and we all heard the drive and passion to take up her causes and keep the ball moving in the right direction. Eventually she will run out of time. We need to use our limited time to keep pushing and fighting the way she has since she was twelve years old. For the things that matter. Most what acquaint you can always tweet me at sarahspain. If you've got guest suggestions questions or more you should always go to the. I tunes or podcast. App subscribed it. That's what she said. Was sarah spain rated five stars please and give review. Thanks as always lasting about an hour with me. 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Katrina Adams: From Tennis Champion to Trailblazer

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Katrina Adams: From Tennis Champion to Trailblazer

"Because in arena can be anywhere you're arena is where you are right now in your whole or in your office in your car on your court on your field you know at the beach wherever it is. That's your arena on the space that you are are filling and i think everyone needs to understand that because if you can own your arena than your own your own presence you're owning your own will as to what it is. You're trying to accomplish love that music. I don't have to tell you. I love that music. Welcome back in. Welcome to the. Finding master podcast. I'm michael javale by trade in training. I am a sport performance psychologist and unfortunate to work with some of the most extraordinary thinkers endures across the planet. And the whole idea behind this podcast. These conversations is to learn from people to pull back the curtain to explore how they've committed to mastering both their craft in their minds our minds our greatest asset flat out. And if you wanna learn how you can train your mind is just a quick reminder. Little note here to check out the online psychological training course where we've pulled together. The best practices to meet the intersection of both high performance and wellbeing and literally. We just walked through the fifteen essential principles and skills for you to train your mind in the same way that we train world class athletes. You can find all of that at finding mastery dot net ford slash course. Now this week's conversation is with katrina adams. The first african american to lead the united states tennis association u. s. t. a. the first two term chairman and president of that organization and the first former player to hold that honor so under her guidance the usda achieved a number of major milestones including the opening of the one hundred court. Usda national campus in orlando the strategic transformation of the six hundred million u. s. t. a. Billie jean king national tennis center in flushing meadows new york and an unprecedented outreach effort into underserved communities in an effort to show the sport of tennis with more people in prior to this role katrina competed for twelve years on the w. t. tour winning twenty career doubles titles in reaching the quarterfinals or better in doubles at all four grand slam events combination of her hard work and talent and skill. Antennas her leadership efforts philanthropy commitment. All of that has earned her many accolades including being named on ad week magazine's most powerful women in sports twice forbes magazine most powerful women in sports and ebony magazine's power one hundred list about it so in short katrina is just flat out trailblazer. And it's why. I'm so excited to have this conversation. We discuss her journey the sacrifices that she made to become head of the usda the obstacle she overcame while successfully leading an organization with seven hundred thousand members and why athletes like naomi. Osaka are helping to evolve the narrative around mental wellbeing. 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Sign up today. That's coin base dot com forward slash. Finding mastery in the way you spell it like it sounds coin. Ceo i n. b. a. s. e. dot com slash finding mastery. So with that. Let's get right into this week's conversation with katrina adams katrina how are you. I'm wonderful. how are you many people. Ask that question. But they don't really believe it when they ask it. I believe that you really wanna know so. I'll tickle. I'll take a moment if you don't mind yet. Life is really good for me. And i say that with a saint away where almost i feel like i need to apologize because i understand how hard things are for people and so i said at in way with great compassion sensitivity. But i don't know what to tell you like life. I feel really good in my life right now. So that's a great space. I'm feeling pretty good as well. I mean there's so many people that are doing worse worse off than we are. We're blessed to have opportunities that we have and to be able to sit here and and have this conversation so let me dive right in to. There are people that are struggling. And how do you touch suffering like how do you deal with your internal struggles and pain and difficult us like. How do you deal with that. Yeah i think every single person has some difficulties or struggles inner pane about something or someone I have been that individual that you know when things happen. I move forward so it's not that i forget about them but i kinda push them behind me because dwelling in really covering over. It doesn't solve anything. I tried to address it. I try to deal with it. And then i move on. I don't forget. But i do move on and that's how i pretty much live my life. How deep do you go when you're gonna touch some of the actually be more concrete right. Is that what are your sources a suffering. I don't know. I mean. I think everybody at some point has been depressed about something You know we've all probably hit a level out in our lives at some point where it's not where we want it to be. But it's a point where you really have to dig deep been encountered reassess where you are who you are in figure out where it is. You wanna go as a professional athlete in going through multiple transitions of of careers. You know. each transition can be a difficult because either you're moving from a career where you may have been on top of the world on top of your game. Go into another career where you're starting at the bottom and and so forth and so on he do that over and over again and it's hard to try to find yourself at the bottom of the barrel again trying to pull yourself up outward and so those are moments. I think i've had challenges in my life. Live know. I lost my parents recently. In twenty nineteen twenty twenty and. I was blessed to have him in my life for fifty. One years. Insist difficult now when you when you wake up there not dairy. Pick up the phone and you can't call them. So those are those are moments said. I've had and i'm sure millions of other people that have had felt those moments whether it's a parent a sibling a spouse child. Whatever that might be A difficult spot to be an when Particularly when it's the first time so you lost them back to back yeah. My mom passed in august twenty. Nineteen chad annulments In my dad passed away in may of twenty twenty and we all say from a broken heart. They've been together. Sixty four years married sixteen. They met as freshmen in college and got married after college and Suffered every day that she wasn't there as he was lonely and you know he wanted to be with her and and god brought him home to her so it was difficult but You know he was better off in the long run better off because of his suffering with so many. It's out yeah. He didn't deserve to wake up every morning in that kinda mental state that he was in you know even though he tried to act like everything was okay at times you know deep down by the tone of voice by his eyes vise actions that And by his words of him saying how much you missed her. So it's It was tough. Says the kids to watch into here but in the end now it's It's no more suffering for him. Who okay sorry to hear about that loss. I mean it's still recent when it comes to grief and loss especially parents and where are you in that process right now. Are you feel like you've done some deep work or you like a listen. I just worked over it. I dragged way through it over exercise my way through or like not putting in some work now. I think it's a little bit of all of it You know my mom passed. I immediately you know ended up. It was right during the. Us open before the opening twenty nineteen jump right back into the open that year and duties and was busy the rest of that year in in really trying to navigate dealing with that have other siblings which was good but Tweeted at and out of the house and so forth so on. I would say when he passed last year. was during covert Cove it was what it was during cove in so it was difficult. You know we weren't able to have any services we've yet to have the memorial memorial will now be in september of this year so there's not yet closed her if you will on that front but i have dealt with it and in a i've had a year a year and a half to to really go inward and speak outward about it in some in a much better space. That was a year ago in. I know we're starting off kind of heavy with For just a minute. If i could keep learning about how you do something okay when you feel because you talked about depression when you feel depression. Depression is one of the most common mental struggles that people feel. I think the numbers if there if data's correct somewhere between thirteen and fifteen percent of adults will have a major depressive episode and us a lot a lot of people. And that's just that's in the united states when you start to feel some sort of depression or sadness is it more loneliness or is it. More agitation is at more isolation is it like how do you experience it in what you do with it. He yeah i mean. I think i would say the first part would be more of a loneliness With that i'm not married. I don't have kids. I have nieces and nephews in you know in siblings and a slew of of great friends that is surround myself with here in new york particular in so lots of conversation on the phone or last year through facetime or any other virtual means that could bring us all together. e- am Sadness not so much i mean. It's maybe maybe. I exude it around people but i never really say that i'm sad. I've never said. I think i you know i just kind of drudge forward. I always have a to do list if you well of tasks that keep that keeps me busy and keeps me focused on on doing things I think last year probably though it was the first time i was able to sit still and do nothing for a while when my life was on the road in and out of airports weekend and week out in different countries different cities weekend and week out in better complete halt so i would say it took them a while to kind of deal with just sitting still in figuring out what to do then i kinda liked it. I got comfortable with house. This is nice. This is really nice. So when i started traveling again i was like really have to go But i'm i'm back in the swing of things than for me. It's just about moving forward and You know surrounded myself with good people There's a context here that. I want to make sure that i'm articulating properly. Which is i see you as a trailblazer. And i see you as somebody who's been a i in multiple ways and i see you as somebody who a would not escape the darker side of that extraordinary trail-blazing experiences that you've publicly demonstrated so i do want to understand. Both in part of it is like there are costs to being in front and out front in. So i wanna i wanna go to the celebration moment pivot just slightly to be first and to be way out there professionally in to do what you've done was family was that i don't what's the right way to say it like one of my deep struggles katrina as that like if when i'm in the thin heard i feel like i don't have the right bandwidth or time allocation to spend with my most intimate loved ones and the pandemic was incredible for that it was the greatest gift From that lenses for me and my son in particular emma wife. So what i'm trying to get at was like was your trail-blazing was designed to not have family you know. And that's not the right word Children was designed or listen as a professional athlete particular. Female there some sacrifices in choices that you make early on In to be at the top of your game in your sport in the be the best of your crap that you could be and so that was part of it I did actually write about it. In my book on the arena did have some reproductive reproductive issues early on online so The kind of took care of that for me to not be able to reproduce naturally anyways and so as my career progressed that opportunity or window if you will close by by other means So that's why. I didn't have kids. It's far as you know getting married being in that relationship that never matriculated or materialized. Think mainly because i was always busy And that's because that's not a good -scuse. I think my my ability or my goal to be the leader that i was striving to be was intimidating to many of my male friends that that i was dating because i was really strong minded in in always had a vision in in a plan if you will and in some that gets in the way if you're with another strong minded or strong will male who is looking to do the same thing and want someone there to support them so we both needed someone out in in the trenches to support one another in neither one of the relationships that i had did. We have that ability or time. I'm to be able to do that. And so that that's kind of why in the early years or even in recent years. That hasn't happened yet. But i given up on hope. Does that mean you. You're interested in horse. I don't wanna be alone. Remember loan. I mean i've got friends and family but in that relationship where you know you've got someone the supporting you on a daily basis in in that you can be with I mean i am speaking to someone about but it's it's by the phone and its distance So challenge in itself but You know life goes on in this space it. I've always lived then so it's not new to me but if forward to Something new yeah. I'm glad we're talking about this. Because there's a different path for men and women in the professional world and There's fairness in the comparisons right the zero Great so it you're right. I mean listen i i look at it. It's funny because You know when you look at the tennis tour now There are a lot. There are a handful will more mothers that are that have gone on had kids come back to ply whereas for our male counterparts. These cats. Are they get married in the early twenties mid twenties. And you know they've got three kids right around the tour with them day in and day out so their families with them all the time which allows them to really be focused on what they do in in. Go out there and do what they do whereas for us as women on the tour. It's a completely different situation in a. We chastised that when we are out. Dating are focusing on relationships. That were blamed that it's affecting our focus and what redoing and howard performing mike. What he's doing the same thing. And he has family with them so in s just in our sport where you know where that's kind of talked about to a high higher degree but it's nice to see more of our women who are now married and or have kids that are out there and they've gone back to work and back to the tour so if you were to pull way out kind of access your wisdom and you're looking at the young athletes right in some. Let's just look at women for just a moment. Some have families some. Don't write some have a partner in some. Don't some have kids some note. Would you say that having a intimate partner and children that that isn't accelerate to high-performance. It's certainly there's something about like wellness that is important. Intimate relationships components really makes you more of a complete person in that year. Not really your worries very different. You're worried about your family but to be worrying about who you're meeting who you're dating when is gonna happen. When is that going to happen. I think is a lot more stressful than if you are able to be settled down In that in that family situation family environment. So kudos to those that have been able to accomplish that i think and i think the trend is changing love particularly on the women's tour where the girls were are getting married earlier. That later dan at some point having kids which is great. okay. 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Daily symbiotic with that this jump right back into this conversation when you think about The reason you wrote your book. What was the reason. My the reason i wrote. My book is because people told me. I needed to write a book to be honest with you. I never never wanted to write a book. I never had a desire to write a book. I feel that. I'm a pretty private person early. Sa- have been in my life until i wrote a book But it was the meaning behind writing the book as far as telling the story that of the blaze that i've trails. And how did it in. How could help others. I'm how it could inspire others and motivate others. So that was really why i agreed to write in the book because i felt that it could could help others I'm all about making in. If i can make someone's life than i'm i'm here for that. Sorry for stepping on your words. Because what i was going to say or add to that is that your subtitle is really important which is getting ahead and making a difference. You know succeeding as the only one not being like i and i think that that speaks to authenticity and the title. Can you talk to me about why you chose the title of only arena. And this is going to the trail-blazing is going to your insights about the compromises that you have decisions that you have faced and the path for quote unquote success in my sport of tennis As an african american a person of color. I was often the only one that was out there playing and a lot of our events in the suburbs or nashville bents etc so as always in that space in very young age. I always walked into a room as if i owned. It didn't have shown in me when it came to Being the one in the center of the romanian. That's because i'm a leo. I don't know but it was a confidence that i've always had myself in so as i matured in every room that i walked into no matter where i always walked in as if i owned it so the title was meant to be on the room and my publisher and editor decided that it was this cat. You're bigger than a room. you're more like an arena And i said wow like that because arena can be anywhere you're arena is where you are right now in your whole or in your office in your car on your court on your field you know at the beach wherever it is. That's your arena on the space that you are feeling and i think everyone needs to understand that because if you can own your arena than you're owning your own presence you're owning your own will as to what it is you're trying to accomplish and so getting ahead making a difference in succeeded as the only one is the only one of being the only woman in the room or the only person of color only black person whatever that might be and i think everyone at some point has been the only one of something somewhere where you're the only man. The woman the only white person the only asian hispanic person of color whatever that might be. We've all experienced that somehow and you have to figure out. How did that make you feel. How did you deal with it. How did you address it in. How it you walk away from it Those are things that i addressed in the book in a very intimate level. You're always the only one which not to be complicated but nobody has walked your life path. Nobody has thought things you thought had the experiences from the inside and from the external world around you you know. Nobody's made the mistakes that you've made and had the unique celebrations you know the heartbreaks and and deep connection so you are always in. I am always the only one there is nobody quite like you katrina nisus. What this is why. I love this form to is to really know you the best we can with the constraints we have. And also i don't wanna lose track of like you have an understanding of it means to own the arena owned the room magnified to arena. I don't wanna spend too much time here. But i do want to understand. What was the breakfast table like. What was the dinner table like. How did your parents teach you some of that first stuff and you might say. They didn't they were they. Were quite bad at it. I had to go figure that thing out but so can you just give me some frame of the home life. I yeah. I had amazing Parents amazing family. I mean i grew up with go two brothers so we. We always had breakfast at the table. We always had dinner at the table up until out on what age i guess probably once. I was a teenager Early teens my brothers were seven nine years older than me so at some point they were already off to college when i was entering Entering high school where finishing elementary school but I mean it was you know. I grew up in a household of respect of discipline in in of conversation and that was very lucky. I grew open asshole where it was the. My parents were supportive In every way possible. I mean they were middle middle class. They were two teachers so they weren't making a lot of money in chicago public schools but this sacrificed a lot to make sure that we all had what we need To be the best that we could be in my mirena mice face was tennis. We knew nothing about tennis. When i picked up a racket enjoying the summer program Who knew that tennis was a professional sport. In who knew that. I would have the opportunities at the score bestowed upon me With all the accolades. That i have so i am. I'm very grateful for that but it was really because i had that support at home it was always about school. I if i didn't keep my grades up. I couldn't stay in tennis. Wasn't going to be able to go to practice in the evenings. Practice was after school so know i had my my Role a Roles of responsibility to myself to make sure that i could do what i really love to do which was play tennis and who knew that it was an all white sport. A love that quote that you look back mike. What when i started writing the book and you start reflect and. I don't think i'd ever really said that until three years ago. When i started writing this i go wait a minute. I started in all black program. My coach was black. The next program. I went to was black. You know so forth. So on. Until i started until i joined the citywide program and i show up and i'm the only one and i'm like hey. Where is everybody so andrea do. What did you do in that moment when you looked around. And i mean it's not all white that's not the right way to save but predominantly when you looked around at that i. It was all white. You can say all white cats outside of me and my dad but but it's dumb. I mean remember. This is the seventies. So wasn't the first time i was all white environment or a diverse environment. I mean like the teachers parents are teachers and we used to go to you. Know they used to go to our colleagues homes and barbecues. Or what have you in diverse group. And i'm playing with the white fr- their prints were white. Kids were white. Were playing with them. Wasn't the first time that i was in the environment. That was all blocked. Was that wasn't a. It was like a culture shock but now definitely wasn't a culture shock coming out with parents. We you know in the summertime. We used to drive to two different two different places in the summer for holidays back to their home in mississippi. Or what have you so you're driving. You learn about new places. We had a west coast trip north east trip etc so i was definitely introduced to different cultures At a young age from going to sporting events going to museums etc so. That wasn't strange. It was just odd. That i think the first time that i showed up i was like where is everyone. Meaning all my other friends. That i had been playing tennis with all along About each group so in my age group was pretty much the only one in my youngest one in my group at that time so that made a difference as well. And if you were to title the chapters of your life you know not the chapters your book but the Chapters of your life. If i put on the spot here as a reductionist question i understand this but like what would be some of the key headers of the chapters of your life. Wow that's that's pretty good Bossie my parents always said. I was a bossy kid. So a lot of it has to do with with my personality so bossy. Bold present A leader is all liz. I look through through everything. Athletic superstar either nicknames. That i was that. I was called baby cakes nickname Just because i was gone but was all but still young in in many of my my physicians or am i am age groups in the sport but i know that's those those that's a really good question. I like that In so what do you think. The next handful of chapters will be authentic. Authentic is probably a good one is as you get older. You start to understand who you are in in represent from that standpoint. represented represented. What are some of your first principles your core virtues. That matter most to you that you've earned to say these. I've paid for these. You know these are virtues. That are real. It's really i think Authenticity is definitely wanted in i. I mentioned that a lot now Because it's got to be true yourself. Let's say on the authenticity permanent. How have you paid for that. Can you tell a story that brings that to life for time where you're like. Listen i had a moment and i zig zag Zagged and it was fucking better for you know like you have we. We have to earn our virtues. You know That's how i think about at least so. Do you have an experience where you're like. Here's one where. I knew that authenticity was really important to me now. I i wouldn't say really in the last couple years. Have i really kind of felt that And i think a lot of it has to do with the turn of events in twenty twenty and to where i realized who i am and where i'm from what i represent who i represent and it was in a year ago fourteen fourteen months ago where i made a promise to myself that i'm no longer Gonna try to be anything other than myself in that. I'm not going to hide from anything not going to shy away from anything or lead anything. Just go through my head except just anything because too often the life we things that are said to us or to us kind of pushed him off. Because you don't want to deal with it or you recognize Well i'd better say anything because you know they might look at me differently or this thing. That now mike. Now i've got to be true to myself. A lot of this is really all about identity. That i'm that i'm referencing. And and so. That's something that. I can definitely say in the last fourteen months at a lot more vocal about than than i was previously. Do you relate to the idea of two selves. what do you mean by that. I show up one way because of social pressures or context. And i'm thinking about your former life. I think i've always been that person. I've been the person that i would adapt to fit in. I think humans do that you know we. We have to adapt. We have to adapt to fit in and as a black person. You always have to adapt to not to offend and because people always look at us as black people people of color as perhaps offensive or aggressive or too assertive which is not necessarily true. And it's unfair to always have labels on you anytime that you're in a room Because are these assumptions. There are these stereotypes that people have particularly if they're society upbringing in their world doesn't have they've never had to deal with people of color in so there's a negative thing there. I'm listening to. How do you not get. How did you not or how do you not now. I don't know what the right question is here. But when i'm feeling like i get pissed and my smallest version of myself is like when i get sucked into like. Why are you putting that on me like you don't know me. And what makes you think you can say that about me or assume that and so the the biggest version of me is like a listen. I see you. And i understand where you're coming from and that's just not accurate you know like so i i just wanna know how you deal with that how i can deal with that better Learning from you. It's difficult because then you constantly you're constantly taught something or told something or here's something in always negatives like what what's what's it example. I'm i'm talking about. It's far as dean of color or being black being african american. If you've never been in a society where you grew up with with people that look like me what they hear on television on the news in television shows or in movies and unfortunately we're always depicted as something negative ninety percent of the time because we have the riders that are writing what they wanna write their writing what sells as opposed to really right true stories and i've had these conversations with people that's why can i can sit here and say that. And until they actually get out into the real world in in recognizes the world different for them and in that we're all human in that we're all striving to be successful or on ways in our own professions. Whatever that might be in that we all bleed red challenging in so then there's a tiffany that goes off with someone says. Oh wow what. I've been taught or what i've been told or what i've read or what i've seen is is totally not true in in it's in these moments even in corporate america right now you know l. We're we're not suppose to black people be on the same level in a c. suite as our peers. That don't look like us. And that's a challenge. And so sport is a breakthrough where we're all out there. Performing on the same level to succeed striving to win and be our best of black white red yellow green purple. Whatever coming together for the good of the sport in that everybody can off each other and in pat each other on the back in live in the same space equally but astonishing amount of that soon as you come off field or off the court or out of the pool or wherever you are. You're just viewed as another this or another that. Because now i'm not in uniform in. You're not cheering for me. And now you're you're threatened by me really come on now not so much personally. But it's my experiences with with many of my friends and colleagues. I want to take a quick break right here to talk about bio optimize irs. 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We all do at some level and the more that you can work from the inside out the more freedom that you ultimately experienced in life. You're not whipped. Around by the external conditions the raised eyebrows or the scoreboard. or whatever. And that's what i wanted to get to in trying to find a link. Between how would you deal with the external conditions and the assumptions that were laid on you and then you didn't have many role models that look like you and how did you. How did you do that. Well i mean. I have a lot of role models that looked like me and so i think that's the important thing l. me. I'm i'm wrong there. That's not what family and family and other colleagues in in business that that you know that are in your corner that are helping you regarding you that a supporting you etc Just maybe not in mirena of tennis to be fair catrine. That's where i was going. There was not a female black leader in the us that held a executive position. So that's why i don but even still going into that role. I don't think it was necessary for me to have that Black leader going into the role. I mean listen. Usc was the first one in one hundred thirty five years. So that you know that's that's pathetic though. When you really think about it now and so it was really it was really about my fortitude and and i my vision and my passion that got me there To make a difference. I mean i made. I made a huge different as soon as i stepped foot in the door. My name was on the plate in my face was plastered over everything. The people in our sport said wow this can happen. This is happening. This is real in now. They saw themselves in our sport in a different light. So there are more motivated to play more motivated to get other supply motivated to say. Hey look at cat. Hey you know this person that you know her. And in so i had to work. Three times is hard just to make sure that i did a great job because i was not only just represented myself or my family or the organization. I was represented a whole race of people whole culture of people in in. I knew that. I had to do my best in stay up in on at all times because i couldn't let my guard down. I couldn't i couldn't afford to fail. Couldn't afford to make to make a mistake because all eyes were on me at all times waiting for me to make a mistake waiting for me to fail and waiting for me to do something out of the ordinary in the things that i did out of the ordinary were successful in. So that's where you that's where you lied in. That's where you're able to mentor. Bring others along with you. Recognize space that iran. And so being the i you know. I don't really think. I understood the magnitude of it until i was in it Because they talked about. Every time. I was introduced and i think at some point. It really hit me to to really feel annot and understand the meaning of that In what it truly represented in. So i was very fortunate. I had a great team that worked with at the. Uscca staff was superb. The volunteers around the country were amazing. I had a lot of support. I'm sure there are a lot of naysayers out there as well. But that wasn't my focus so to me is i kept my on on the ball literally You know. I ate anything that i was doing Because i knew. I had a great team Around me and support me were you. I don't know your how you played as an athlete. Were you more offensive based or defensive. Est a volume. So that's my my. That's my attitude. That's my approach. You know i'm gonna you know. Put some heat on it and charters net so it sounds like that's also your business model to process so i've got great hands for reflecting so i can catch anything coming my way you know of words or or whatever that might be In life and and and you know put it right back on you. And i think that's the skill set that allowed me to navigate that space move forward and be successful. You know what i appreciate about the sensitivity to your answer is that you said listen. I didn't have a role model in the governing body for usda but i did have radical role models in other communities and i was able to see them be successful. You know borrow. Their ear listened to them. Learn whatever so you had role models just not in the arena that you were going to be in. I really appreciate that. And and and i also hear some another parallel. Which is you had done something. Maybe you didn't like you say. I didn't understand the magnitude of it. Okay like i totally understand that. I recognize the magnitude. You recognize the magnitude but it was like this thing that happened. And i want to make a parallel. This is the clunky. Sweat can do it to naomi asaka where maybe she didn't quite realize the magnitude of what she did and maybe you can capture what she did for everyone. And there's this radical kinda leading that. She found herself in as well. So i don't know if i'm stretching here on a parallel but there's something i think you know i'll i'll i'll backup second before i address that because i'll satan in my sport or in my arena of sport. The you know the role models that i did have were much older. You know in two of them are no longer with us. Which is the gibson who broke the color barrier in our sport as a professional player when when eleven grand slam titles in. So i know that i walk in her footsteps every day of my life and grateful that she did that to allow me to play in the sport. There's arthur ash came after her who's gnome a lot more for his humanitarian efforts of of of fighting for equal rights and Outside of tennis you know outside the champion. And there's billie jean king who is a mentor and is a friend a role model. You know we all know what she's accomplished and continued to do To fight for equality in our sport or in all sports just in life in general to do that in so when you look at niamey osaka you back up a year and you see her step up and step out and be vocal about social injustice During the us open or even before that when she said she wasn't going to play at the western and southern open that was actually played here in new york in that cincy due to cove it and then wearing the masks during the us open you know. We saw very different asaka than we've ever seen before. Who was was confident in what she was speaking about. Knowledgeable about the topics and bringing awareness on a platform that never seen that type of awareness before so kudos to her for that in a got a lot of other players men and women of all races in all From all countries. Saying wow tell me more. I didn't really understand what's going on. So that opened up a whole different conversation in our sport which was great fast forty year. And it's around the anniversary of mr floyd's death and it's the french open and she says you know what i'm not doing it. I'm not gonna do the media conferences after my matches will do the encore interviews. But i really have to look after mental health blah blocks it all. Hell breaks out for lots of various reasons from different angles and to the point where she said okay. I'm pulling out. You know. I didn't say that to to really stir up anything but this is really about what i need to do for myself. Pull out pulled out of london Did participate in the olympics. You know carry. The torch lit the torch which is amazing now. She's back to the us open to defend her title and so in a hopefully she has gotten the the help that she needed in time that she's needed but what she did was bring awareness to issue. It's been around for decades particularly with professional athletes to where it is you know we're told that it's our job to go out and run jump shoot. Hit throw whatever that might be an who cares about your mental state. Just go out and perform in. She's saying no no no more than that. I've got to take care of myself. So that i can go out and perform and be the best that i can for you. And so there's been other athletes over the years that have spoken out but they didn't have that platform that we have today. I mean every day there's more and more there are more and more platforms particularly with social media so people have more and more access to these athletes. And here we go back. I go back ten years ago. Maybe more than that with mardy fish. Top american player who was having zaidi choose to the point where he retired. Who's at the top of his game finally got marr- top ten ready to win a grand slam etc in the anxiety took over to where he literally had to retire from that and he spoke about it or reminded people that Recently this summer after niamey spoke out he put in players tribune But then you look at the other athletes you look at Barbara critique uva. Who won the french open With naomi not playing but she said look am i quarterfinal match. I didn't know how it was going to go out in play zaidi attack. I didn't know. I couldn't go on the court until i spoke to my psychologist so these players are dealing with this often in our sport and other sports as we've seen and then you saw what happened to simone biles at the olympics in in having the quote unquote twisties in their sport is dangerous. You could get severely hurt or kill yourself. You know if you'd land wrong. And and she spoke out about it. And i don't know if she would have spoken out about it if naomi hadn't done so just a couple months before in every sport were now seeing athletes men and women speaking out and i think it's so important that we all recognize that we are human we are at the heights of our games Often we are in the spotlight. Twenty four seven. There's no way or nowhere that you can hide particularly with cell phone cameras You know in in. It's hard to always be up for everyone in the world for all of your fans when sometimes you just wanna shut down and it. I played on the tour for twelve years. And i you know i i had that. My nickname was hollywood. Because i was always outgoing. And you know an upbeat. And what have you but yeah but that was in the face of others not not necessarily in my in my hotel room you know where you can just finally let go and down and let all that weight off of trying to be someone for everybody else where you have to be that person for yourself. I and i think a lot of these superstars in particularities megastars. That's their feeling. It feel like they have to always be on for the world you know for their fans for the sponsors and everybody else that they have relationships with and sometimes they just wanna be alone and and being their own little bubble in their space to have a mental break. If i think that's what Naomi has done in in bringing awareness is about awareness more so than anything and i applaud her for for bringing that to the forefront. I work with kids. I run the harland. Jeanie and tennis and education program. And i've heard some amazing stories stops sob stories. Sad stories from kids and parents alike of their situations or their experiences. Or what they're going through and you know we. We had this program to you know to assist in. Take away those pains in those those challenges so they have a safe haven a comment just be themselves in. Let it all out on the tennis court and and let's have fun while we're doing it and we actually develop players out of it but we're actually you know. We're really developing champions alive in teaching them how to deal with different things you know. We have a wellness component as well as education component in. That's so important particularly in communities like harlem in other communities around the country but awareness is key in and that's that's the one thing that we as humans can help others be is aware of these types of situations and i couldn't be more thrilled than this part of the conversation that's happening globally and thrilled and excited by the level of courage that these extraordinary athletes are demonstrating in. They gain much by being authentic. And you you gain the knowing that you have what it takes to stand in your feet you know standing issues with truth standing baggy skin you know To be crude about it and be true and then there's a cost to it as well. And i look at you katrina. I'm like man you got. You gotta lock on this really good. You know like. I know you've done some inner work and how much inner work have you done. Probably not enough okay. So there's there's more to go. I think there's always more more to go. I started meditating probably two years ago where you know. I have an app and it's only like ten minutes a day when it's not every day but it's something that i am conscious. I try to do it. Because it's i think it's so important to find that inner peace in that columnists you know for even for ten of twenty minutes that kind of rejuvenates you and and allows you to feel every bone in your body in the field of breath from the head from your head to your toes and everything in between and just be still because the world is so fast. My life has been fast. My arena is very fast in everything that i do. And i'm learning to kind of settle down Take a little little time for myself on a daily basis. Because i i find that that is very helpful. But you know as i mentioned earlier. I'm the person that things happened today. And i move forward tomorrow because dwelling on it is not going to help me solve the problem or move forward or or overcome overcome. Whatever that is so i. I'm not want to wallow in my sorrow if i have it I'm want to just kind of say okay. That happened for a reason. That's figure out how to make sure it doesn't happen again and and let's move forward this awareness bit that you're talking about. There's a meta awareness you know like. They're bringing awareness to and your bringing awareness to the importance of taking care of oneself from the inside out and there's also the skill of awareness which is becoming aware of my thoughts and my feelings and the way that i worked from the inside so that i can pivot and adjust. And i think you've got this interesting balance between awareness and letting go and the you hinted at earlier with the skill of fortitude. Staying with the long game even when it's hard and if you keep carrying luggage From all the trips you've ever gone on into the next plane eventually. you just. it's too hard. It's there's not enough space and it's just too heavy. And i think part of it comes to my training as a tennis player. Right go point. I got another point. You're right a losses set. There's another set. Lost his master's always tomorrow. I'm out of this argument. There's always next week so you don't really have time to waste negative energy on reflecting on something didn't go. Well you gotta figure it out and you gotta make adjustments in move forward in. That's pretty much how i navigate lines. How do you practice letting go. How do you practice confidence. How do you practice fortitude. Like i heard you say meditation and ten minutes a day for two years is a significant bitter for just recent. Though i've been i've been that way of letting go and a unit so practicing something be honest with. You has been innate within me from a kid. I never dwelled on do right. Do you talk to you. Think like how do make sense of something so that you can be done with it. I probably subconsciously thinking about it a replay. It i solve it. And i move on. I don't really talk a lot. I mean i probably seems like i do Lena my they have to pull things out of me. I'm not want to just automatically. I don't offer the conversation. I'll answer options but i'm on what to offer it said okay. Yes you you're an introvert processor like you work from that way to make sense of things. Okay and then. How do you speak to yourself when it's good to be you when it's good to be me. I am a person that you never know when things are going. great. I am not want to outwardly. excitement. I'm excited for others. You'll never hear me talk about anything about myself of what i've just what award i just got would show. I was just on what what whatever i'm just. I don't talk about myself. So i'm very humble in in that space for me. I'll talk about everybody else in applaud. Everybody else. I don't talk about now. I want you to applaud me. Guess i love that when you do it. But i won't. I won't offer it I don't initiate it into my friends are always amazed that cat. Why don't you tell them about this. Or why didn't you tell us about that. I'm like auto now. I mean that was that was that was yesterday. You know this is a new day and and so. I'm not sure if that's good or bad but it's just it's just who i am. I mean i'm. I'm very humble when it comes to the things that i've done and in i'm always amazed to hear When i'm at an event or somewhere in there reading my bio or listen. I'm like wow. That's pretty cool. See i did that. Wow okay yeah. Okay well okay. Now what's next. that's that's just me. Even you know what my book. It's it's hard. It's been hard for me to kind of promote it if you will you know i get on the social media. I can talk about it when i'm at a place but my friends are always. I can't tell them. Tell them that you just wrote a book. And i'm like oh yeah. You know came out in february. They're like well. Tell me about it out while you know and then my friends are always the that are talking about it. So it's it. There is a sensitive china's deep down inside of me But i- mask it with you know being confident and assure of myself super yeah appreciate that nuance there and what are you. What are you craving. What do you credit quite the right word. But what do you yearning for is that. It's a deep question now. I don't wanna be arab. You wanna say you know. I get it i get it. I know i know where you're going. I think i think everybody wants to be a peace. Everyone wants to be happy. I mean i wanna. I wanna be at peace in knowing that everything i'm doing is is putting me on track for something greater than what i have You know everyone wants to be successful. I mean i definitely want to be successful. I wanna be able to be on that platform. That that i can talk about all the things that you and i spoke about with with you know freely and within ten with purpose in make sure that my life has purpose and that i'm giving back on a making a difference in that's on so many different arenas in so many different levels. Those are the things that i constantly yearn for. Because i don't think that the things that i've done a good enough or have been enough in so there's always that yearn to do something more to do something better to be to do something greater than than what i've done A yearn to be loved by all. You know that everyone and everybody loves cats. And and i have that Which is great. But it's you know it's a sense of security. I think if you will just for my own ego My leo ego. That i have of it in in that regard but to stem for peace for the world. I mean that's what we are in for. It's what i earn for as much greater than myself. And i think that's what keeps me grounded. It is spiritual framework that you're working from Yeah i'm christian. I mean i. I don't practice it daily. But i'm a believer. I was raised. I was raised in the church. I'm a believer and you know that that faith in those prayers. I are constant and In that keeps me going in that gives me a sense of a piece In knowing that you know. I do have a faith in something higher than me. A high higher bane. That's part of the peaceful list. I think is well. You know what. I've really appreciated about. This conversation is a say this with the greatest respect him regard is that you are so aware of the complications of being fully live. You know it's not simple is you. Don't get caught in the reductionist trap. And i think that there is so much more than i'm not able to get to the are limited time but i just i'm feeling Just how nuanced in how much you appreciate the nuances of being you and being human is involved in is that does that fuel right to you or are you like domestic like it's really quite simple show up and do good but i i think i think you hit the nail on the head me. There's you know listen. Life is complex. there's nothing simple about it but it's how we approach it that. Simplify it and that's my focus in how i approach lights. If you sit down with a master of craft who would it be thought about it never thought about. Let me give you some space to think about it you you you're the master sliding see what you're doing and e would that would be a great conversational or you cook on. That would be great. Compensation would you have the conversation. Oh my god i. I've been to bhutan. On top of the highest mountain in the world yells to have you know be on top of the world at peace in the mountains and snow caps and the sun down. I think that would just be amazing. Cut if we if we could be reductions for a minute a moment in you only had one question. What would you ask. You are really pulling it out mike. Come on let's go katrina august calling your cat. Nah i feel. I feel like we've it's coming cat. We in this conversation the way we are. You definitely frank. I don't know one question. No idea this. We're talking about a legend. I know. I mean it's it won't help if i say what can questions now i there you go. I i think the biggest thing would be in this for humankind is how did you find your inner peace. Because it's about the peace with yourself to be able to deal with the complexities of the world. A love in take anything that comes out you as long as you're at peace with yourself so you know how do you find your inner peace. We all think we have it but we don't because there's always something that's going to bother us is. There's always something going to intimidate. Us is always something. That's going to antagonize us. I had a moment was probably about twenty years ago. mini crisis my mentor. I was talking to him about something and he. He's known me since i was fifteen. And he kind of squared me up and he goes. I was going through something that was hard. I don't even remember what it was. But i remember this moment with my entire body became hot and he looked at me. We squared up. Any says might interrupted the conversation. He says When's the last time you felt a sense of peace. Shoot my whole body. You know turned on and i was like i. Just don't know he goes. no no. no. When's the last time and it felt like an eternity and i said i think it was last month. I'm not sure he started heckling. Just laughing like oh my god a month like cheese like you can't say today not definitely not today he says last week no so when you say how did you find that man it. It reminds me. It's set me down a path and when you remind me now like i i love hearing you say it and i i want to bring it full circle in honor our time together that i was just in tokyo supporting team and some athletes in one of the athletes who ended up by the way winning gold. We're sitting down And talking about like what is the mission for the games for you and this athlete said piece in presence. When you're at peace you can be successful at anything. As a great way to end. I want to say thank you and for your spirit for the intelligence and the sensitivities to the humanise and this beautiful track record that you bring into this conversation by being a trailblazer and Leading with awareness deep awareness. And so i just want to say thank you and If there's anything i can do to support your mission you got me and a yet. Thank you have it. I've enjoyed our conversation It's very enlightening and inspired. So i appreciate it thank you. How would you name this this podcast. What would cause we went. Places now chitchat with cat. Learning to be a champion in life. Cat thank you. Thank you michael.

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China Hoards Masks As CDC Urges Public Wearing

Coronavirus

06:51 min | 1 year ago

China Hoards Masks As CDC Urges Public Wearing

"The CDC urges Americans to wear face masks China hordes global supplies and Google data shows. New Yorkers are doing less social distancing than Italy. Hello everyone and thanks for tuning. Into latest Navarre's global news global cases have surged to more than one point. One million with nearly one hundred thousand cases in the last twenty four hours to global death toll is topping sixty thousand with France and the US reporting more than one thousand beds in the last twenty four hours the CDC has released new guidelines urging Americans to wear face coverings and public especially in grocery stores pharmacies and in areas of community based transmission. The transmission from individuals without symptoms is playing a more significant role in the spread of the virus than previously understood. See you don't seem to have symptoms and it still gets transferred in light of these studies. The CDC is advising the use of non medical cloth phase covering the new guidelines. Come as studies show that asymmetric and pre-symptomatic individuals transmit the virus to others through speaking coughing or sneezing. Even those people are not exhibiting symptoms. Health officials in Los Angeles had already urged Angelinos to were homemade mass in public just a day earlier the CDC discourages the buying of surgical or end ninety. Five mass as they are needed for frontline workers rather people should use household items suggest scarves bandannas or fabric. Japan Austria and Czech Republic have all already encouraged the wearing face masks in public controversially. The W. H. O. Still recommends the use of mass only for sick people or those taking care of someone who is sick global supplies of surgical and end ninety five. Mass remained scarce as China has been hoarding supplies. Since the outbreak began according to a Wall Street Journal report eighty five percent of mass are produced in China and it has expanded production nearly twelvefold China also sourced and bought a big chunk of the world's supply from other countries in New York. Despite a shortage of mass a Chinese immigrant organization managed to buy one million masks on January thirtieth and sent them to China from January twenty fourth to February eleventh China managed to import seven hundred and thirty million mass from other countries Minnesota based three M claims that most of the mass it made at its factory in Shanghai had already been sold within China even before the outbreak this week. President Trump signed a defense production act order aimed at requiring three am to prioritize orders from the US government however three am has pushed back against the order claiming that stopping the export of respirators would likely cause retaliation over the last twenty four hours the US reported one thousand three hundred and twenty one deaths with more than five hundred from New York City. First responders in the city are overwhelmed from call volumes and working multiple double sheriff's New York City Mayor de Blasio says that the city is in need of an additional forty five thousand clinical employees city. Already has one hundred and twenty five thousand. Medical employs enforce about seven thousand. Five hundred employees are needed in traditional standing hospitals while more than thirty seven thousand are needed to work at field hospitals. Such as the JAVITS center the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center and City Hotels. A team of soldiers from the California National Guard will construct a federal medical station at the Reading Convention Center and Civic Auditorium in Shasta County California about one hundred sixty miles north of Sacramento California has already set up other pop hospitals and San Mateo. Santa Clara Lost Angeles and Riverside. The hospital was ordered by the California Office of emergency services to help Mitigate Hospital overflow from cove in one thousand nine patients. It's estimated that the facility has bad supplies and medicine for two hundred fifty patients. The United States army is also building filled hospitals in centurylink field in Seattle and in Central Park in New York City. Initially for non cove in nineteen patients. The Department of Defense has reversed its position and said at these locations will now accept cove nineteen patients the US Ns Comfort. Hospital ship. In New York has also changed. Its guidelines to accept eysenck thematic patients. Initially the vessel would only take those who tested negative for current a virus. The screening protocols will now occur on the ships peer in an effort to reduce the backlog at some of the cities nearby hospitals. Each patient will still be screened by temperature and a short questionnaire. The Pentagon is now considering to allow corona virus patients on the US hospital ships. General Mark Miley. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said that the Defense Department is reassessing whether to allow coronavirus patients on the comfort. And the mercy the consideration comes after New York hospital executives complained that the comfort only had twenty patients while hospitals in the city were being overrun. A decision could come in the next few days. The British government is under fire for only testing two thousand of its five hundred and fifty thousand. Nhs medical staff Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Who himself tested positive. Pledge that the government was going to go all out to support frontline healthcare workers Libby Nolan a nurse from Wales who has current symptoms and is waiting for test results notes. That Johnson was tested very quickly. Unlike tens of thousands of healthcare staff who remained untested in self isolation unable to work more than three thousand six hundred people have died from current virus in UK. And lastly Google tracking data shows New Yorkers are doing less social distancing than residents of hard hit Spain and Italy Corona virus taskforce member. Deborah burks says that she could tell by the US increase in new affections that people are not abiding by stay at home. Orders in New York state foot. Traffic was down by sixty eight percent compared to roughly ninety percent in Italy and Spain. This has been your latest global news from Corona Vars at Dada. Fem leaders. Subscribe to this PODCAST ON CASS BOX. And follow us on twitter at coronavirus. Fm for the latest news. 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USTA CEO and Executive Director Mike Dowse

Beyond The Baseline

28:57 min | 7 months ago

USTA CEO and Executive Director Mike Dowse

"Support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket paid on your student. Loan treat yourself to those shoes. You benign progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive in two thousand nineteen. Everyone john worth i'm here. It is this week. Sports illustrated tennis. Podcast we have novak djokovic taking the lead the number one ranking for three hundred and eleven weeks which past roger federer's record roger federer's back in action. We have event in the middle east in europe and south america and mexico today though. Our guest is a united states tennis executive. it's mike douse. He is the ceo and executive director of the usda. He took the job in late. Twenty nineteen and as he tells us seventy five days in covert hits and it was a much different first year there was however some silver lining one of them was the staging of the twenty twenty. Us open Also tennis participation has gone up twenty two percent year over year a lot of that of course owes to covid socially distanced sport We all have extra time on our hands but Tennis participation rate in the us surging which is great news. That we talk about that we talk about how to build on that On that encouraging news and we talk about professional tennis. To what extent do we need tennis pros to spark participation. The women's side is doing its share. men less. Oh do we need connors mcenroe. Several career changdu. We need players like that to spur more participation so It's a good conversation. We wind up talking about the twenty twenty one. Us open guarded. Optimism is the catchphrase there. So here's a fun conversation. With mike douse ceo and executive director of the usda. How are you aware you orlando today at our campus and working outta year for the last few months or you have you Relocated down there. I did yet and I hear campuses microcosm of of our tennis world right now or public. Our local programming's up in busy but anything that involves travel and international or national players is not happening yet Let's we'll we'll get to that and we'll get to what with this. Uso that looks like Thanks where you can eight john. I'm home in new york For a few days anyway Trying to stay off the road but it's not working out so well The traffic bunch lately but Yeah i don't know if you've been. Have you been up here much. Things are things are getting better. I gotta say since the tournament actually in there. I wasn't really there right. I was call the berlin. The long island mary in the center and that was it. I couldn't go anywhere. It was lockdown We are We'll get there guardedly optimistic Will be in a different place. this year. let's let's start with the good news so we're in the middle of the australian open we get a we all get a release vo calls from the usda With the survey data the participation was up twenty two percent. I believe right. We not insignificant now contact steady which is a physical activity council and they study against dozens if not hundreds of sports and tennis came out as one of the v. Leaders twenty twenty and participation growth. It was up four million new players. Roughly seventeen nine hundred. Twenty one million people play tennis last year and Let's live stress that you did not commission this This is this was independent. I mean i guess the the assumption is. Kobe played a significant role here. Is there more to it than that. No absolutely. I mean the silver lining to kobe is did open people's awareness to tennis and we say think about we were hibernating or or Corn team. what's everything we missed right. We miss france which was socialization. We missed physical exercise We even missed intellectual stimulation. Tennis provides all that. So i think once it was confirmed that tennis balls don't transmit the virus in that of a safe to get out and play tennis it skyrocketed and says been possum. Do we know Do more about the data with age groups or what parts of the country or what the circumstances were still drilling down on it. So the numbers. We released what they call the top line results. We do know through the ti. The tennis industry association. That junior tennis rackets were up nearly thirty percent in sales last year. So we know of big chunk of housing players. Were definitely young young players out. How do we. How do we parlay that. How do we get these people to stick around or get them new accelerate how often they're playing. That's the big question right. In the we're optimistic we can do it Working closely many to back. Backup to give some context. Janet viki remember. This would not panic it. It actually was the worst case scenario right. All our facilities were closed are teaching professionals out of business. We did a survey. It was ninety. Two percent tennis facilities were closed gas almost a year ago to maybe next week at the end of this month march and we got the industry together was called. Ti you in. This was yellow. That super tennis resolve teaching professional organizations. Collegiate tennis manufacturers. We all came together in the pudding. Grants in place to help these clubs. His teaching pros and coaches get through not having worked in customers coming in and now we're taking that same approach to engaging these players so we need the industry to be here ready see then given great lessons great programs get over that learning curve that sometimes a little steeper new players and once they get through that we're really confident they'll realize tennessee's sport Score the lifetime. Where are you getting players to. I mean. I think that's something that tennis is struggling with but that this is tend to realization that this sports really hard and that the learning curve like you say the learning too steep. Wh what do you. What do you support what. What do you advocate for in terms of getting kids especially to stick around until sport. That doesn't always pay immediate dividends. Yeah that's a great question giant wanting learned in the last year. There's not one way to enjoy tennis. We don't want to be too prescriptive on that In what we're saying around the halls of the us ta is you know. We used to be a very program based organization we might be a service based organization. Would that means as providers people that provide tends to be both. There's so many great ways for people to enjoy task. Wanna be able to service the whole tennessee assistant allowing him to do that. Some kids have red orange green balls. If you're familiar with that you know. It's the low impression bulbs that make the sport easier. There's cardio tennis for people who wanna go. Office have physical exercise during tennis. Their social leagues competitive tournaments. So i think the key is making its awareness making sure all these new players know there's so many ways to enjoy sport not just the rigid tournament were structured. We talk about the challenges in the second. But what else do you take. A sign of optimism. What what else are you pleased about or see as a positive trend. I would say you know. I johnny Twenty twenty was might first year. In when if i look back one of the highlights and reflections i have is when the crisis hit. Everyone came together. And i went on a pretty expensive of listening tour before the pandemic yet in not one group out there to the buying didn't pass growing sport and making it happen and there was a lot of similarities that people were sharing. They were all working separately. We really brought everyone together. So that's one thing. I'm most optimistic about and i'm going to call you on john Colony was remembering. The sports illustrated article never elite nineties for the coverage that is tennis dying and it was a fair alright. Tennis participation was was going down dramatically ports. You statements too many years but here we are in twenty twenty. One we're looking for. The next phase is tennis moving again if we need to revisit but for the record i That predated me. I will Throw sally jenkins degree. Sally jenkins under the bus but No i mean. I think some if you go back and read that article i i think a lot of those issues honestly have been addressed there. Other challenges have sprung up about was already. I think it was ninety four but that was more than point. But i think one thing that took about that story is it shows that sports sports change and new new challenges pop up in old challenges get solved when that story was written one of the things that addressed which i thought was fairly prescient was the decline in the us players. Not the other way to frame that of course is tennessee's wonderfully global and and the yield is flattened in the world is flat. What is the relationship as you see it between top. Us players especially on the men's side and popularity slash participation. Do we need chang courier. Agassi sampras tweed mcenroe. Connors to grow sported a recreational level. Oh i think it's all connected absolutely. I think having great american champions drive other gets into the sport. I think we agree. That venus and serena play a great role in inspiring so many young girls fifteen twenty years ago to get into professional tennis or to take that career towards professional. We're starting to see it. Pay off with huge success on the women's side. We need to replicate that on the men's size to me. It's it's pushing. Paul approach you know at the grassroots level. We need millions of new kids playing. Because it's a numbers game. The more kids we playing better athletes come to the sport better chance. We have fear for american champions and on the other side with big american champions. They inspire kids place. We we have to approach it from both sides. It's not either-or remote data. What are some specific. Things That you can. I think you're right. Let let's assume for participation sake. It's a numbers game. And you get one hundred ten year old. Do you have a better chance of developing than if you're a fifty of them. What is tennis doing to get to those athletic kids right before. They've got to make a choice of what sport they want to pursue her share. I think the first thing is awareness and exposure. I think we agree that sometimes our sport unfortunately is perceived as elitist sport inexpensive. We have to break down that misconception about our or you think about the number of public courts. We have a public facilities Nearly every high school in our country has tennis courts are public. Parks have thousands of tennis courts so access to those relatively inexpensive or free. You can get a great tennis racket. At a mass merchant for forty fifty dollars can't tennis balls still too much of green of the manufacturers still are in two to three dollars again so it still relatively inexpensive sports. Get into it. You were not a keen ourselves. Does good expensive like all sports as it gets more competitive but at Player development group in our seventeen sections would feel like we have programs in place that people can still compete hiebert relatively affordable and know that. It's a it's a great pathway. Whether you become a top ten player in the world or the played collegiate tennis or if you just play recreation your your life. There's there's no downside to start. That journey is young kid and ultimate takes you. I was talking to the football coach in indiana. Who said you know this is. This is a basketball state but a kid goes advocates. Hey i'm only six foot one. I'm probably never going to be a basketball player. He says yeah but six one in athlete. You could be a great quarterback you could be a great wide receiver for me. What is tennis doing this. Sort of play that same game with With other kids. Obviously i think. We need to distinguish and differentiate between men and women and boys and girls girls and women's tennis white strong What what What does he was doing to get that ten year. Old kid who's deciding between basketball and another sport and getting him to try tennis. I think the first thing. We have part of that conversation when it starts to happen. So it's awareness necess- ability so in both those star can't starting with the families in schools and the public parks so we have to throw a much broader net and not. Just talk to the kids that are private facility so one of our big investments in areas of focus. Get our public parks and and schools so we tennis in there as part of the curriculum when they're young get him in the public park programs young. Then we have an opportunity to get those kids exposed sport in really speak to the benefits of tana's a truly as sort of a lifetime. It doesn't stop when you leave high school. You can continue to play the rest of your life. What is the us as The relationship with respect to pickle ball which the question. I get asked all the time i decide in california when we were out there for tennis channel. What is the usda's position vis-a-vis this new sport. That seems to have really elton popularity on a fan of of all. I think the biggest enemy of tennis is inactivity in the city. Now it starts in a much bigger picture. We have to get our society and kids particularly active and anything that gets people active so much easier to research to convert an active players in the tennis. As opposed to active person and tennis me pickle ball was seen as word people would exit tennis and move the pick of all. Maybe they got older needed a smaller port. But we're starting to see now it's also a gateway to tennis again. You can have a rally relatively Pickle ball you or reports of master. That is a great gate a pathway test. So we're actually looking out my windows here at the national campus were building or three now. Were actually even adding some fidel ports. in a few months we feel any around bracket sports is good for addison on top of that. Think about all of the city's out there are always looking for new revenue. Streams pickle ball can provide that which helps tennis club stay in business which is good for our sport so i think the long answer is john. Were fans of anything around racket. Sports and pickle ball i. I've said i always felt like the the change. I've started covering tennyson. Us it's not the drop often players especially on the bedside side. But it's been the drop off of a bit that i i think right. Now they're more events in china than in the us and it's gone down at one point. It was by more than half. Where's the usda on this and are there plans for additional tournaments In the united states. I mean we agree. We need more tournaments in the united states in the course. You can't just unilaterally do that. We have worked really closely. Vat into uta to make that happen. I mentioned earlier. The industry came together on the grassroots side. During the pandemic of the same also be set on the professional side. You can imagine how closely we create to the ata pull off cincinnati m. us open and we're having a regular dialogue with them about reinventing the calendar and looking at different tournaments locations So that's something we're very focused is is making sure we have as many of those tournaments in us as we can. What about college tennis. This was a good yo. Twenty twenty one good year for heads participation attendance at a recreational level. It was a rough year for college tennis. The number of programs were cut with the declining revenues and college sports. What's the us as position in terms of Sort of protecting these college programs. It's really got elevated. As you mentioned we lost a lot of programs. The start of the pandemic known likes to see that. I'm a former college player. I know how important college tennessee to our ecosystem I one thing that we really discovering through this is a tennis can actually be a revenue generating support for these universities and colleges in. We're in the process of building. Something policies these tennis or excuse me as universities have great tim centers but we can make him great. Tennis communities completely changes the whole look of tennis on campus candies tennis facilities be open year round. All the student. body won't communities. Can't ten socials if you look at it through that lens. Awesome his tennis facilities start generating revenue for the school. They might not normally have so. We're putting a team against that. We regarding member fifty five colleges over the last ninety days and we have pro forma for a minute. Show that being set making money off task and it's really gained a lot of interest from the netflix director. So hopefully we can find a formula here that can help save caused. I i think that's i think that's really significant. Because that's the first thing athletic director. Say listen. I have nothing against tennis. It's the dollars and cents thing We is there a program viewpoint too is. Is there a particular campus where they've been able to turn a profit that you can highlight. Yeah there are some Follow list for you. But i've had three calls this last week. We talked to arizona state. They're looking at coming up with a real robust program. That'll include the whole community of phoenix columbia. University's reimagining their tennis center. Nab legal old dominion kicked off his tennis community concept. But we're real excited about it's in the early phases but we has some legs. Give your feelings about The the flood of international players in college tennis. I mean it used to be example that. Us open gave a wild card to the ncaa. Japan and that That a stopped at least being done automatically because so often these players were not american. Kids were products of the usda. Where do you stand on that. And this internationalization. College tennis yeah. It's a complicated topic. But i think you can really step back. We do live in a global society. Renown we've got teach our kids to compete at the highest level on on a global level. And i think it's something that is already taking place and we're not going to be prevent that genie back in the bottle. So i think ultimately the solution to it is getting millions of new players in the. Us claim so awesome. We start populating. These team with american players but by putting restrictions against international players. I that's short convicts. Don't really address the issue. Which is we haven't had enough. American kids playing college tennis or playing tennis general that they can move up to the police to tell me more about the points of entry to get kids playing. I mean this p. e. class. I think you're right that dispelling the notion that this is an expensive scored. I think is is critical. What are the other entry points in terms of getting young kids just get a racket in their handing it out there. I mean i'm the biggest proponents of the schools in public parks. And that's where we're going to have the broadest effect on the whitest reach schools. Our kids can be exposed to end. Were putting together great curriculum for p. e. teachers that you don't have to be a tennis. Professional tennis goes to teach tennis. We have a real nice curriculum. Even think about it in soccer baseball went not young. We have mom or dad. It's important column coach right out there helping kids and we kind of in the past at tennyson appearance let the professionals teach tasks and i just disagree with that. I think parents get out there and create a positive environment forgives. Play the sport. There is a time in the pathway where they moved to more certified professional coaches but early honest out having fun and socialization with their friends and just getting them active. And that's going to happen again in screws parts i was i was joking about your doom backdrop but it has me have envious i this is this is an audio medium so people kids us unfortunately but this is pakistan's tonight's session if the us open. I see the loyd the chase. And i see a mercedes decal on the net and i see you know. It looks to be roger. Federer's racket bag behind you How long do we get back till we get back. What do you duplicate the twenty twenty one. Us open looking the term. Were using john. Kasich optimistic made even stronger than cautiously. Optimistic i mean. We're fortunate as you know last year we were in the last lane to go. But is your last slam to go in the fourth slam coming in august-september in the way things are looking now i've heard Some of the was a someone's recently nassar bam full fans this summer. I'm drawing a blank on who that is. But we're optimistic base. The members were seeing edit bare minimum. We'd say twenty five percent fans that would be social distancing but we think it can be much better than that really starts becoming the energy that we know you Fifty seventy five percent capacity. Hanan just feels like it's going to happen this year. A i think you get twenty five percent if you started tomorrow so i mean you know provided nothing crazy happened that's That's a good sign. What what else do you anticipate. I mean the player. Obviously there was the this disqualify bubble on long island and you were joking about the the laguardia marriott where all the action went down. There was no media me wet. Give us another sense of give us an additional sets of what what just kinda feel like. It looked like i mean. We're running multiple scenario stolen last year. We said we three guiding principles would be you know the health and wellbeing of everyone. I number two is good for tennis to host the tournament and three doesn't financially make sense. We look at twenty twenty one. I don't see those three guiding principles cheji right as long as we can make sure. We maintain the health and wellbeing of everyone. Mlb our lands on interpreting. How many fans come through in of course with with government input number two. We know it's gonna be good for tennis and then we can pull this thing off. It's gonna be good financially for the. Usda allows the mission. So that's how we're approaching it again but we're having weekly meetings. Were already talking to that. W ta the aac t anyone else involved to make sure we can pull this off again if my math is right but i think after the. Us open twenty nineteen. There were rumors and you believe in the fall even early winter. My math is right yet. Got about ninety days of Of normal before before covert. i mean. what what's it's been like for you. It's been a wild ride. Was day seventy three in the job. The pandemic hits in so it has been a wild ride but again We step back. I think the things i learned from it are u. s. t. a. cannot be this mandating organization telling him what had to do everything we had to come together and work with everyone to get through it in on two fronts. We did that with the grassroots. Us pt are the it a tiaa the ata reform tennis's reunited and we we still a monthly enac group. What's really interesting about. Becker with started all about cove in helping us get through covert as a sport. But now that we've got through we come up with two new initiatives. Were keeping the group together. Most to new to new initiatives are advocacy Grass better getting the word out. Tennis is great sport and number two is. We're trying to drive diversity and inclusion export. So we've got to rate initiatives there and then on the pro side again. I mentioned earlier. We meet constantly on a regular basis our peers the other grand slams and now the atp Care to reply anchorage. Fatih seven takada seven government bodies of tennis so finally give me your craziest most outside the box idea for movie. We've heard in recent years at the tweet at tennis video game or we need tennessee's version of caddyshack. What is something just beyond beyond convention. You're thinking about that. Might help grow the sport well. I'm a huge fan. I talked about through the context collegiate. Tennis about building tennis communities. But i think that's true for facilities all facilities private and public that that's when we really win. When we're part of a tennis community nights joker club. I play at. We never call it a tennis club. We caught a borrowed tennis courts. His people showed their socialize and have fun. And when we get that formula right then. That's when tennis really takes off. It really starts to to be part of people's everyday lifestyle. Their kids are. They're playing of families. They're playing their friends or they're playing mass back in the hated tennis. Boom that's tennis was all about. As part of our social fabric part of our culture hopefully coming out of the pandemic tennis will be that again for our society we should do not take global pandemic to get here but You you brag about twenty two percent growth in your first year on the job. That's pretty good. I have anything to do with that job. But sir nice to see and it's fun to see everyone get down you drive by a public core right now. You'll see the courts foale. Yeah exactly and Yeah i registered. The challenge is now to keep those people those people playing and keep them engaged but That that twenty two percent is your somebody said he did you know we're we're used to a hockey stick. Where used to sort of this drop from the tennis boob and then sometimes it's up sometimes. It's down but this This is a nice uptick so you can keep it going absolutely confident we will. I want The next time we speak i what that backdrop I want what real twenty five thousand fans behind you but We're going to new york together. This year incentive virtually yeah exactly I appreciate it good catching up and you know again. I always say congrats given the circumstances but that's a significant rate of growth. So long may that continue after. We're all vaccinated gray. Thanks john and that will be in touch. You got all right. Thanks to my douse android. That conversation again. You could not see it. But his zoom backdrop was a full stand it At arthur ashe at the billie jean king national tennis center if only we could reprise that labor day weekend Thanks for good conversation. Thanks to jamie thanks to you. All for listening keep the guest suggestions coming a reminder we are doing all the post game coverage from These many many events we will be on tennis channel after the matches every night Keep the guest suggestions coming. We have An author on the way and a player wants Returns to states and We'll have another one of these seven day group.

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USTA Chief Medical Officer Dr. Brian Hainline

Beyond The Baseline

58:42 min | 1 year ago

USTA Chief Medical Officer Dr. Brian Hainline

"John Worth I'm here is this week's sports illustrated tennis podcast. Hope everyone is new. And Okay wherever you are yesterday Dr. Brian. Hey Line he is the chief medical officer for the Ncaa College Sports for our international audience. He's also the chief medical officer for the US Open and the USDA and has been since the early nineties. He is also a former college tennis player. So today's discussion is a lot about what it will take for sports to come back what we make of this closed-door scenario and then we talk specifically tennis. What are the unique challenges tennis bases and whether the twenty twenty? Us Open can happen. If so under what circumstances so Thought after a lot of speculation from lay people who was time we consulted someone who had real expertise so here does a great job is Dr Brian Halen. I I've seen you quoted a number of times and I feel like everyone has become an instant expert on sports science and And Virology these days. But I figured we've talked to a real expert and let's let's just start. Generally I mean what? What are you seeing out there? And what's going to be the biggest challenge for sports to restart I think the Two biggest challenges are really having surveillance. That's firmly in place and and really really good testing. So you can imagine and you know resocialised and you can't imagine re socializing in sport if you don't have both of those you know once we start opening up where no longer saying. We're just trying to flatten the curb or or were trying to really make certain. Our healthcare systems are not overwhelmed him so New York City which is a great example of that. The healthcare system were ninety percent of the hospital were devoted to taking care of patients who had colds and were in respiratory failure. We're now opening up. Doing procedures elective procedures. Insult going forward. If this is GonNa work you have to be able to test large segments of society and especially in sport and you have to do contact tracing and do what's right when there's a positive so it really does fundamentally rest on those two principles and you're just to be clear. You're talking about testing testing. And not just the temperature checks that's correct. And and it's two types of testing the indoor being you know even good advances and even in the last week so The rapid diagnostic testing shifting to what we may call point of care testing where you can even have on your your own kit in. And that's two of. That's going to be evolving in two ways. One is on looking for the virus particles so the PC artas to to see if you really are wait on infectious and even the serology testing if there wolves out properly and we really get good out. There's two ways to look at serology. One is to see if you have immunity but also when you first are infected with a virus your immune system kicks in right away. What's it's called? Gm and that may even evolve as as a screening tool for for seeing someone has accused effect infection so I think bolts are going to really advance in the next month and then were GonNa be strategies for how to work with teams without and you think testing is available and sufficient. I mean I don't know if you saw the UFC card that they held Saturday night and Florida. They went through. I think was twelve hundred tests for one. Sporting event and people eyebrows raised over that you think we have enough test to pull the saw. I think we're going to get there so so we had a a meeting. We meaning the chief medical officers of sport on so I was representing amateurs or Z. A. And then you had the chief medical officers of the NFL NBA Major League Baseball. H Own. We're all meeting with Dr Birch's office in the White House and we emphasize we said. We can't do this if we don't have adequate tests so you know the White House response is the usual response. Were were increasing them substantially but. I think what's happening in ups obscene. This happened as a least at university levels. They're either working with a hospital or university lab so they can take care of their whole campus but the private companies have have really been rubbing up as well and you know that's challenging and on on the one hand you WanNa make certain Dutch. You aren't testing for one segment of society while the rest of the state is still prioritizing test and they only have enough so but I I think the way the private companies and and and even with you know I just saw another. Fda approval reverse serology. Tusk come in our yesterday. So it is starting to substantially increase where. I think we're going to be moving into a different APP testing on we. We keep talking about the possibility of sports returning but I wonder how granular you get to what extent UC distinctions between sports and the benchmark for football is GONNA be much different than the benchmark for golf no absolutely so So so you know aside from the event Florida this past weekend so the PGA tour will be hosting event and in Texas the first week of June and on and they happen. You know a really cool without getting into too much detail but you know you. Essentially we have to create what's called an inner bubble and then you have outer bubbles out in the inner bubble was who would be really going to be around the athletes. So it's the athletes the core of athletics. Sam personnel the coaches. And you have to make sure that they're sort of walled off and really well-protected. I mean in these first early events like that you know when we look at the NCAA and the false or so ranges from cross country to And Soccer and field hockey and then of course. There's there is football insults. It's a little easier to imagine pulling off cross country than than it is onto to pull off off on but even across country meet the logistics of it are not straightforward and on. You know when you're starting off across country event. You're pretty close to a lot of people at the end. You're pretty close when you're trying to pay someone you know it's a The elbows are flying. And so you have to make sure that done might too and so we are actually getting a very granular levels. Were at the NCAA. We we have these committees that are our staff and members of committees working in conjunction with other. And we're developing basically all of the what if scenarios that we can think of and the other thing is we're building off of the core principles of resocialization document that we put together and were beginning very granular in terms of general guidance. For what needs to happen in a lock of what needs to happen in in the gym. What needs to happen. You know for showers and and you know the whole old idea of just kinda show up in the training room was actually sort of a choice for athletes to hang out. I mean it's going to be by appointment so it's really going to be staggered and I think it'll be easy in the first couple of phases but the tricky part is going to be when you start having contact what what does need. I'm thinking about tennis. What were you've got you know? A hundred and twenty eight singles draw from fifty countries. What what does need to happen in the locker room was hope you think of China's to be thinking of something like the US opened on you. Would you help to really make certain that when people are in the Locker Room? You have a staged presence in other words. You can't just come into the locker room when you want so it really all has to be orchestrated and hold out. You know if you if you've ever been in the US Open Locker Room. You know their their lockers right next to each other. Right above each other and The the training tables are are one after the other. The athletic trainer is going from one person to the next you know doing infectious disease control. But that would be much different Would you would you would have to control the timing. The inflow the outflow and and the standardisation procedures have to be exceptional. What else are you looking at sport to sport? It seems like indoor outdoor would be an obvious distinction and contacts sport. Even yeah we just had you have see so you don't get much more contact than that. But what else are you looking for when you're determining sport by sport so you're thinking about safe football If you're going to be rolling that out. So there's there's going to be protocols I think one protocol for the inner circle and you have to find the inner circle at the level to you know. They're they're really a code of honor and you can take the compliance even beyond that And where everyone's GonNa have sort of a symptom checklist if you will and a temperature and if you have anything. That's positive on that checklist where you have a temperature. You just don't show up so that's a general screen. It's certainly not foolproof especially in college age students. You know as we advance in any of the sports the ball works or even basketball for their baptist in the summer is that can define when people you want to test them and they should all be tested and that those are the protocols that even schools are working abroad or students and then you WANNA have a protocol regular testing that still being worked out in the modeling. How often do you need to test so as a minimum? When we're looking at all of the sports as you're going from phase one to phase two you task before you move to phase two and then the question is when you have a positive test. What do you do? And that has to be worked out with the local on health officials as well and this is where they have to have the capacity contact tracing and I'm sure are GONNA be imaginable. Apps in the next couple of months that are going to help without to on but then the question is do quarantine everyone for two weeks. It was in close contact. Or is there another paradigm where you can do testing on days? One three and five and you just a five day quarantine. Those are the models that are still being worked out didn't football. Let's take the the the you know the most contact collision sport in the fall. There is on you. Imagine a protocol of something like at least once weekly testing but then before a game the only player is a play in the game and the only people who are really in close contact test negative. So it's ends up being resource dependent as a lot of test. Yeah and You know you can. You can do the math and you end up. You know did it. Depends on how how much you could easily be a thousand dollars a player when you when you when you do. The math could be more now about the cost of an old LEICA. Salman and I don't think we need to have four or five helmets per player on but but it it's a cost in and the question is who who who is going to take care of that cost because it's you know you can think about a society where you believe sports important schools important will out to that sort of a federal expensive about doesn't happen in our country and I don't think the states have the money for that but you know a lot of schools don't either and the NCAA as you know. Took a a a a a big hit budget too so on? It's it's problematic at heart. I mean when you make these assessments. How do you divorce the finances or or do you divorced to finance of the minute? You know you're right. College sports are GONNA look radically different. If there's football this fall or not the USDA's budget is gonNA look radically different if there's a US Open or not. How do you sort of consider the finances? It's it's a big part of it so you have to. I make the court a Susan and say well. What's the one thing that can't be sacrificed? And they'll tell them safety on. And then you and then you build out from there you know you've seen you know even the PAC twelve their announcement that they may just be playing conference only games this year and I think a lot of schools are looking very closely at travel. We haven't come out with travel guidelines yet. I think it's still too early because you know you look at what's happening around the world so I mean I got kind of a firsthand. Look at this so Mike. My Wife's father Died suddenly last week so she flew to France and it was Really Eerie to be Kennedy Airport. I wasn't allowed him but it was like a ghost town but when she came back when she arrived on Sunday night they weren't allowed off the jeopardize unless they had a screening which included temperature chuck and for those screen. You know positive. They were directed to a different part of the airport and You know you look at Emirates airline. They actually do a A point of care tests before you're allowed to fly so you think of that and then you think about an event like us open where you have a you know a lot of international players you know. Do we work with one airline that we know they're going to be actually doing the screening? It's it's valid screen and and on the people on that flight of just tested negative. So you know that's the thing we're testing you know. At the moment that you're negative you could be positive the next day but So I think it's going through scenarios like that but certainly in this country we're not at that level of sophistication for travel and I think a lot of schools are going to be looking more local travel. What we're talking about athletes. What do you think of this this no fan scenario that we keep hearing about why? I think you helped a plan. I know FAM- SCENARIO. Because if you you know again you're thinking about the inter- bubble and on how do you protect the inner bubble in you? We've been outright and if you get that right and then you know. Let's take a wide open. Space like Flushing Meadows Corona Park. And we're the only King National Tennis Center is you could maybe imagine if you can get everything right for the inner circle and then you know there's an outer circle of people need to be there to run the tournament then could you an fans on top down. It's a possibility you look at some of the creative solutions like the Miami Dolphins in the diagram together for imagine on a football game where you have light seats of four that are stacked together but then they're separated and You know but it's tricky because you then test everyone you do. A screen in bats. What is not so well worked out. So I I think we I have to get the no fan scenario down And then and then and then build up and even with no fan the you and I generally ask Eve until a software. Why are we doing in? So why sports on Gordon and You know why don't we just wait? But you know if you look at the reality I mean so. We don't want to open up to stone but we're going to be dealing with this in the summer of Twenty Twenty One. We may be dealing with us in twenty twenty two. I mean we just don't know you know. We can put our hopes on a vaccine. We don't have a vaccine for the you know the closest relative of of this particular virus and that's you know the SARS virus WanNa means so we don't have boxing for SARS emerge for HIV AIDS. And so maybe we will. Maybe we won't but meanwhile you know society is at risk of dying. You know there. There are really broad public health implications of of massive unemployment and everything else been word of or Fin. I mean sport is just I you know so. Culturally essential to what society is. It's an expression of who we are as Homo sapiens. From the point of view. And I think it actually provides sort of a physical manifestation of hope and you know when we have hope it actually changes who we are in terms of our our own health or mental health or physical. Hello so I think there is a reason for trying to get this out and and and and to do a right Howard went off on those. I think that's a good point because I think people are seeing this as a as an economic proposition. But I think you look at the role sports plays and a cultural fabric university tableau and that ought to be a consideration. Perhaps not at the expense of health and safety but more than than balance-sheets. What are some of the other creative approaches? You seven I you know with the. Ufc was going to buy an island and we heard about the NBA playoff games on cruise ships. What does the other creative solutions? You've even countered we APP heard. I heard people saying well. Let's just have y'all the players. Dan Cruise earn one city. But you know it's At those certain the creative solutions professionals or Very different and really can't be applied to collegiate or You know especially when we're just you know I mean look at what was just released from. The Board of Governors was a recommendation for the membership to get name image and likeness right but to make it clear and their collegiate. Athletes are not employees and so their their first informal students and and so I think the real creative solutions are happening at the campus level. How can you actually get students? So that daring gauging physically distancing. They're being socially responsible and Uncle into large lecture house so those are out. And and and then you you take that microcosm of students and and how do you do that properly Internet leads environment and honestly the creative solutions. There are more about how you're GONNA time whenever you outlet comes in makes their appointment and and and I think the the key is that The specificity to sanitizer house to be just so markedly and everyone has to be on board for them. What I don't know if this is a little far field but I keep thinking about the mental health of athletes and this is a lot of times. This is a form of self identity. Sometimes they're professional ambitions been thwarted. What what. What are your thoughts especially with with younger athletes about the mental health aspect? This why. I think it's huge so so we actually just this morning. I was reviewing the results of a survey we deal with our student athletes on and we specifically looked at mental health and So we're just in the process of analyzing that and then we're actually doing a more detailed study that's GonNa take place over the next year and a half. That's looking at mental health visa be coded nineteen himself so on but it's huge so what what's really I think. Kind of cool is that the The National Student Athlete Advisory Committee members of the NCAA and so they're really good legitimate representation of SU students. They made mental out their priorities and ruled out these. These best practices and and what you may not have gotten wind of this but the International Olympic Committee got Saudis Best Practices so they held their first-ever consensus meaning on mental health. Elite athletes use the NCAA best practices as a foundation. And I was actually co chair. That meeting and the International Olympic Committee made mental health their priority. And and I think you're GonNa see that really manifest in an amazing waves and what's going to be released. A pretty sure around June or July is the first ever screening tool for on up. Elite mental are the preservers screening tool for Athletes that was developed by the. I'll see and we're actually going to be piloting now and studying the effects of that Visa Kobe. Nineteen as well so. We're really taking mental health seriously. The early feedback we've gotten as that. The athletes have been suffering with mental health and physical health issues. And I. I think the point you brought up is perhaps the most important one. And that's you know. How do you define yourself? You know if you define yourself as an athlete and and apps taken away from you and and the data we have does very interesting you know the the highest risk for developing mental health symptoms and disorders in athletes is that is a sudden transition or so injury illness getting cut. Well here's a sudden. Just not a sport that you know came from the universe and and you know so we're are you who are you with the anxiety that goes with that? So we're we're really plug into that end and on have actually been a major part of our communication with athletes coaches and everyone else to to pay attention to the mental health issues and then we also developed a network of providers who Who Give tell mental health on across the country and made that available to our ethics is. I mean it's frankly to there's no. There's no obvious reentry poets not. Hey you or your acl and if you rehab here six weeks you should be on the treadmill. I mean it's to the hell knows when careers are gonNA resume. Yeah you don't so athletes on one under there used to on uncertainty You know the uncertainty of they're going to win or lose if the events is going to get cancelled because of rain or the south but this this is a whole other level of uncertainty. I think you know at depths a bit more difficult. We've been trying to get the athletes you know to focus just on one day in one week at a time and that you're you're you're preparing for the entry point in time and net sort of you know. I think he helped the kind of model at that. Wait for your sanity. Let's let's Geek out on tennis for a little bit. You've been the You even the chief medical officer at the US Open for. I think the early nineties right. Yeah so for sixteen years so from ninety two to English two thousand sixteen eighteen. Something like that. Yeah you've been so what mean. Let's let's frame this positively what's IT GONNA take for there to be a twenty twenty? Us Open in some capacity. Yeah I take. That wasn't two thousand sixteen before that I've been at the since. Two thousand eight dollars in the chief officer with USDA part time for four years before I translates into the NCAA TO US. Open on there. A few things that happen one is new. York has to be base three so the one good thing is that Governor Governor Cole has been really pretty stripped about what the re entry points are going to be an and I think because of that it makes it more likely that there is not going to be on a massive resurgence because of opening up too soon be because of the virus but From going to view but but I think that is really helpful on. I don't know if you saw yesterday. Governor Cuomo said that also Friday Tennis Facilities Drive in drive in movie theaters and tennis. I loved it to play singles So I think you'd have to be embraced you. You have to have a great working relationship with the governor. The mayor on and then you you have to really be able to define that inner bubble. There has to be a commitment by players to stay with that. So you know that may mean they would have become two weeks before him which. I don't think they would mind because you know that would allow them to really train and you're going to have to control their movements or a commitment the APP so you know. It doesn't mean that they're staying in the middle of Manhattan and and and hanging out in and it would require very regular testing. You know. I think to pull something off like this. It may well require daily testing And of the inner circle on in and then you'd have to have a very strict protocol someone all of a sudden test positive but the advantage of bringing people in two weeks ahead of time. And if you're really restricting their movements are there sort of like an a you know a a tournament in polls quarantine if you will and agreement. Then the the the likelihood of someone testing positive is is is is really less than so. It would take a strict adherence like that and then building out the outer bubble making certain everything there is done correctly. If it's an old fan event you can imagine using the vast grounds of of of of the Billeting National Tennis Center and setting up in such a way that you can really assure sort of physical distancing then you come to the ball on and there's been so much speculation about the virus particle live on a ball and we don't have the study and we and we decided we had to study you. Know How valid is it going to be so there are ways that you can think about the the the ball share and and I you know we know that the players have tested negative. Well then there can be a sharing of the ball for general people playing like upon playing with someone. I don't know if they're positive or not. We're socially distancing you can imagine a scenario where only gonNA use my balls by opponent or partner is always gonna be using their balls and you know when you give them to someone else you don't pick up with your hand you just use your racket and hit it over so but I think we're testing before every match people were negative. I think we can work the ball things. I think you have to be careful about all kids. And what's their role going to be any on so it's getting into there. You have to really really get into some detail. We're saying one casualty of this already is the Balkans handling the towel. That that may that may have died forever but what I had seen some speculation but again this must drive you crazy. How many instant experts there are the sort of pop up on. Espn without any sort of data or training. But I I did hear that. There was this utter speculation that the virus could attach to the surface area of a ball. And the footballs one hundred times bigger than a golf ball. And is there any data? You've seen that would suggest that to be the case yet. So there there have. Yeah there there is even article in the New England. Journal of Medicine have suggested the virus particle could live in. And so certainly in in and that's why even for recommendations and phase one or two weeks as young. Ask Parker All. You should be sharing up until we really get a more certain about where we are with all of this and and tennis's disorder fallen between the cracks and and so. I think the working assumption is that ad hoc temporarily could be in Texas. So let's let that be the working sump and and respect it's mid-may we've got a ways to go even before a decision has to be made or are you hopeful. I mean I I was telling someone I said. I haven't seen this kind of creative thinking that the US in decade amidst great that people are at least thinking about how we can pull this off and thinking outside the box. Are you optimistic? This can happen in some way. Yes I'm you know. A cautiously optimistic. It's it's sort of you know you look at our. Usda President Patrick Galbraith former professional player actually eats former number one in the world on so he really gets tennis at the inside with. It's interesting we have a new CEO. Who used to be president of Wilson Mike Dollars and and he's just Are a communicator. And he's brought the entire tennis industry together in a way I haven't seen in a very long time so it's not about the. Us T. it's not about it's about tennis on and I think you don't boast to being at the helm have sort of generated a whole new level of creative thinking at at at the. Usda and then they put together the wrong advisory. The how there's USGS arrison and we meet weekly sometimes more and You know we've we've been going through an awful lot of what if scenarios and and to try to pull this off in and it's basically all hands on deck. You know there was different kinds of speculation you know. Maybe we'll do the US Open at a different time of the year but guess enormously complicated to do is your TV art merging holding him some other city. You know that gets even more complicated so you know the Working Assumption. Now is look at the week before and after Labor Day. Let's build an scenario if it can go beyond that. That's just an added plus so yeah it's been it's been exciting to to be on the inside of it is just unfortunate. Not JUST FOR TENNIS. All Sports. Because they've been hit so hard and you know a lot of tennis clubs are really really struggling but I in particular I mean I know I. I'm wearing like Tennessee up now. I'm saying this on the. Ncaa has a a lot of sports. But you know you can look at the unique health in bits of tennis and you know there are two major studies you know one that looked at over fifty thousand people and chemists compared to every other physical activity running jogging swimming. Cycling it it. It improves long term health and and protect you from cardiovascular disease more than any other sport and so even bring in the US Open back which is the largest annual sporting event in the world. It's sort of two levels of of of hope has all great sporting event but also you know two prequel or let me see more more question here. How has you were a college athlete? You've been sports As a sports docker for for decades. How has this You reassess sports and what live you learn from this so I think that Sport is first and foremost has to always be considered a public health matter on an so. We can look at you know. I think someone who really had phenomenal idea of Nelson Mandela. And he said that you can adjust society by how it treats sport and and you know. I was being the first chief medical officer of the NCAA was sort of like A. You know an open slate. I mean what what what do we do? And and once you've look through the Lens of Public Health and and how can we save sport from from now perspective in and so you know early on it was it was concussion and still concussion right? And that's the great metaphor for how we can give sport writer or knock. It's or right and if you if you can't really address that while we're doing something wrong so you know we did this study. We are doing a twenty five plus years studied with the Department of Defense and and really to understand. You know what is concussion? What is repetitive head of And you take that and now we moved to this. Pandemic has also a a a real threat but but can scored sort of be the great model of of of a good in public health? And so I think that drives me more than anything and and what's made me really so grateful as the NCAA has just been one hundred percent supportive of that. I remember presenting some concussion data to the board of governors and those powerful community. Ncaa and Peterson President of Georgia Tech. And and you as chair of the Board of Governors at the time I'll always remember he said wherever this data takes us where the mcast goal and so we can be thinking that way. Then I think doing something good for society. They a broader a broader lesson in there This this is great. I I don't know how big these bubbles are going to be but IF TV and media included Look forward to seeing you at the twenty twenty. Us Open. Yeah the grounds with with state and local government's blessing and perhaps fans and perhaps no fans but with any luck. It sounds like I don't two words in your mouth I mean it's it tells you you got guardedly. Optimistic will pull this off. Yeah I would say That's good qualifier for my optimism. We'll take it these days will. We'll take guarded optimism I appreciate this is great. I really appreciate it to you. Take care thank you all right. Thanks to Dr. Brian Hainline for being our guest. This week that was that was really interesting. A lot of a a lot of thought exercises a lot of hypotheticals and a lot of science which we don't always get especially in the sports context so I was. I was happy to do that. Thanks to him. Thanks as always to Jamie Lassana Santiago trustee producer. Who is a state away a New Jersey Jamie? May I bring you in you? May I bring you advise Zuma? Yes please make sure. Your microphones are connected. Exactly it's Boy I tell you the we can get into the slater. A lot is being reconsidered in the last ninety days and I think one of them is sort of professional communications and contact We all Miss Office buildings and by extension commercial real estate but I wonder if we will ever go back to sitting across from each other in the podcast studio Share we used to worry about levels on a big beautiful board with all these buttons that I had to press every single day and now we send zoom links and talk to our computers. So it's a different world no one. I think it's relevant to our discussion. Here I mean I think a lot of workplaces are really reassessing themselves by know by necessity but also as as a business exercise sports certainly are one of them. What is central? What is not what can we live? Without? But boy. I don't know if you saw last night. Twitter twitter released a statement saying that employees from now on had the option of never going back to an office I wonder how far that extends because wreck right now the idea of going to a you and I worked in an office with thousands of other people after getting their own public transportation that That seems rather quaint. And an unwise at the same time you can work from home forever. That's a that's quite the statement and yeah I I don't see you know especially Here in New Jersey New York City In this area given the state of everything it's going to be really tough that you know is very close related to what a lot of what you talked about with Dr in about the US Open and how that is going to be staged here in New York in New York City And he did suggest that the players might have to adhere to a two week quarantine in New York and restrict their movement. So that meant you know not come into New York City and going to out to dinner and going shopping and hanging out. That means quarantining and staying home. I I don't know. Do you think the players could could handle that. Would they would they? Would they here to that? Yeah I think it depends on depends what players you asked. And it's a player who's ranked number sixty and if he loses in the first round of she loses in the first round. There's a fifty thousand dollar check after six months of inactivity. Yeah I'll stay in a hotel room in Manhattan in quarantine for two weeks if your a top ranked player. If you're you know big the usual cast of characters I mean is Roger Federer GonNa play the US Open if part of that entails a two week quarantine in New York. I don't know and I mean again. I think all social norms are off in all fields. But I think tennis is In a very precarious situation here I sort of left that. Call thinking that if we really recalibrate what. We expect a Grand Slam tournament to look like a major tournament to look like this twenty twenty. Us Open under very different circumstances. More accustomed to it could really happen. whether Serena Williams will be playing is another matter whether it will be awkward to watch late round matches of majors with nobody in the stands will be awkward is another matter but if we're talking strictly about not unlike. I don't feel the you have C. If we're talking strictly about having a sporting event where people at home can watch professional tennis. It sounds like that's not an impossibility so I don't I don't I don't know if that was your takeaway as well. I don't know how you feel about open. Where the final and the prestige in the you know you think about the role of the fan in the crowd in a big tennis match I would say borders on a central but but maybe not what do you think Jamie. We'll certainly the fans and we talked about this at the very beginning. The fans are such an integral part of any sport. But I believe especially in tennis even though they're not constantly cheering the whole time. I just think that entire atmosphere and experience really does play into a match. We talk about it all the time as you said especially in the late rounds of majors I left with a very interesting perspective on all of this after after hearing him discuss it. The one thing that was I guess promising. Was that as you said there's actual option for this to occur I think There's been a lot of people speculating and he really laid out the plans to say this is what needs to happen. There needs to be regular testing on a daily basis and this inner circle must be adhered to and then maybe we could talk about fans but I think the what I took away from. That was that even getting to that point where we have that inner circle down I think is going to be a bit of stretch and I also just think it's it's interesting Talk about tennis in some ways in terms of of golf being one of the easiest sports to come back. I mean even Cuomo on one of his daily conferences says that an outdoor low risk activity like tennis. Is You know good to go as of make TNT but on the flip side the professional side of tennis tournament like the US Open as grand as expansive as that is. It's a completely different beast and so I am not sure that they can figure out. All of the resources needed to pull this off in such a short time but the fact that they're still trying is very interesting. I think the other point that I thought of is that if the US Open is a go. What does that mean for everything? Following you know although the tennis tournaments everything else because they're going to use the US Open as a Example for all these smaller tournaments and I think that's where we run into an issue the US Open and the USDA might have the resources in order to get this all done but does a does a Cincinnati. Have that you know It's it's going to be difficult I think but I'm hopeful. Maybe that they can get it done. I still think the question of what happens when people do get sick. What happens if there are one or two or three or more positive tests right I mean there was a positive I during During the prefight testing for this UFC card. That was held last Saturday in Florida and the fight was cancelled involving that fighter but the the show went on in the almost became an issue. I mean I think when when you say resources what we really mean is television money and I think you know we always knew in the back of our mind. Just how powerful force. Tv is. But I think this is another indication and if ESPN said now you know what? Let's come back in twenty twenty. Why not interested. We're not having this discussion if ESPN is saying. We paid eighty plus million dollars a year for this and who knows what's happening with football. We've seen what happens when there's anything resembling live sports. We've got to make this happen. I think we ought not to discount the role that TV MONEY ESPN in particular is is playing this. I mean there were. There were stories that they looked into holding the event later in the year in Indian Wells. The two thousand twenty. Us Open that. Of course presupposes that the venue there and Larry Ellison and the city of Indian Wells would be willing to accommodate this. But what I was told was. Espn didn't have any interest in that. Because of the possible conflict with football and immediately that was scuttled. So I do think that when we talk about resources I mean look. Espn playing eighty million dollars. Plus I mean that deal was made in another time. That no way does that. Us Open Fest. I kind of price if that deal. Were being negotiate today but look at the prize money a look real quick so I don't have it off in the twenty twenty. Us Open Prize. Money I'm guessing about sixty million dollars. That's about right so espn alone if ESPN is going to broadcast. This event in doesn't know negotiate a reduction. Espn alone is going to more than cover your prize money. You have other media deals as well. You'll probably have a little bit of sponsorship. Maybe some of the the sign edge on the court. You're obviously not gonNA have the ticket revenue the sweets and the concessions. I mean it's GonNa be grammatically different revenues than in previous years. You'll still make a profit so I think the the thinking is sort of listened. We WanNa do this for the sake of tennis. We want to do this for the sake of our brand. We're probably not going to do this at a loss but if ESPN still cutting a check and we're you know we're we're not paying you losing a lot of revenue but you're also losing a lot of expenses you've got to think the security is. GonNA GO WAY DOWN. You don't have to pay ushers. I mean there's a lot of costs that are gonNA come out if we can still stage this event without fans make a little money keep our prestige keep broadcast partner. Happy why not give this a try and I was told by someone that the big right now there is enough of a plan for the US. Open and enough confidence. Players are willing to come in come early and be tested every day and do the temperature testing the the big. The big point is whether this gets approval of local state and to a lesser extent federal government. And if Cuomo says God bless you. It's about time we got back and it looks like precautions are going to be adhered to go. Run your tournament. We've got a real shot of a twenty twenty. Us Open with no fans. So that's that's that's my until Jamie. I want to agree with you. I just see so many questions. I mean if they were to quarantine for fourteen days. Where and when are they practicing? And and how are you getting these people to those places to practice? And I think the other thing that we've talked about was the international players are other countries going to allow their citizens to travel Maybe that travel is going to only be extended to you know. The neighboring countries are just short distances. Things like that. Are they willing to let people get on a plane and you know again? I think the word resources comes up because here. Now you're talking about someone who maybe has a hop on a united flight or adult flight and just ride coach versus someone who can has little bit more resources to get themselves where they need to be without being in that situation. I just worry that and you know something's better than nothing but I do worry that if this were to happen. The level of competition level of prestige a little bit is is going to be diminished just because of the amount of players and the type of competition in that will likely arrive that as compared to this just being a regular year in regular circumstances the better than nothing. Open all this Did you a related to that did. Did you catch the Florida? Exhibition that aired on tennis channel. Ddr exhibition are you Have you been watching any of these other unsanctioned events I haven- I wanted to ask you about it? Just because I saw sort of felt like the news. Kinda just fly that there was you know tennis was coming back but you know what what was it What was it truly can you? Can you explain to us and was was a successful? I think on balance absolutely And this is there will be another one featuring women next week including including Amana Simova and Allie risk. This is legitimate legitimate top tennis players. There was a four man exhibition last weekend at a private property in Florida Tommy Paul Riley. Oh Palca check mono- Vich and Hubert her Kosh so you know top sixty players not better at all Jovovich and team but you know credible players and it was at a private residence in for I just I I wrote about this. I said a few months ago for sixty minutes piece. I went on a driverless truck. The driverless semi in Arizona and for the first five minutes it was like an amusement park ride it was. I can't believe there's no hand on the steering wheel or foot on the gas pedal and I'm going sixty five miles an hour on the interstate and after about five minutes. I'm like I don't know feels like I'm GonNa Truck Nobile and I sort of had the exact same sensations watching these matches that yeah. It was a little weird like I was watching a practice session. There were no fans and their no-ball kids and there were no you know up. Pires around the corner. There were no linesmen around the court and after a few minutes felt like I was watching pro tennis and would have been preferable if they were fans on the stand the Butler who you pump your fist when you're playing in a private court but again better than nothing. It sure beat the alternative. It's after a few minutes of watching A normal match on court seven from Cincinnati which. I've done plenty of times so there will be more of these popping up there's another. Ut are pro match coming Without Risk Anisimov a Daniel Collins and I think Tom Jahnke I Tomjanovich I'm hearing about. I don't know if I'm allowed to I think there's another women's event in the United States it's being considered we're going to have There's a check event with check players. There's going to be obviously invented. The more toddler academy apparently British players are GonNa play during the week of Wimbledon. I think these are going to become the norm these unsanctioned sort of media events which gives fans a chance to watch some tennis. It's a broadcast opportunity. There's an infrastructure here to watch the streaming and above all the chance for players to play and make a little bit of money again. I don't think better. Than a dollar and Serena Williams are going to be entering these but I'll watch alley risk play. Anisimov any day of the week so I think on balance this is this is positive it would be good if the publicity you said you barely heard about it. And I've heard that as well I mean it would be a little bit more muscle in the publicity department would probably help but unbalanced I think this is. I think this is a good thing and I think until these tours are ready to resume in earnest. We're GONNA see more and more of this and yeah. I think another great point you guys made during your conversation. Was that sports returning. We're not going to return to what we once had Things are going to be different for sure and I think especially the first people take a go at this you the have of course chide to do what they could and they had the testing and you mentioned that a fighter tested positive. I guess a day before the event if that happens You know in Tennessee. I guess the one thing we can say that the spore is a pretty used to a day before tournament start injury withdrawals or retirement through illness or things like that so at least it's something that tennis is accustomed to in a way in. We'll have those hopefully have those lucky losers lined up but who knows if how are go down the line in terms of Quarantining lucky losers are testing. All healers. Yeah that'd be no and it's If I'm in the locker room in the even in the players lounge and I hear a player pulled out because she had a sore hamstring. It's one thing if I find out. A colleague pulled out because of a positive cova test. It's affects me in a different way but no I mean I. I think there's this is sort of a there's A. There's a think piece if not a book to be written here but I think the role of sports in this whole pandemic is is really interesting to me and we usually think of sports as having like duck handling said I mean it. Has this real ability to bind us. It's this source diversion. It's it's unification there's life lessons I mean all of these kind of mushy ideas about why we love sports in all of those in a Lotta ways are under attack. I mean somebody saying somebody said. There's there's a pandemic ripping through the world. Hey here's what we're GONNA do. We're going to get seven hundred thousand fans in a confined area. We're going to have athletes come in from all over the world and share one locker room you could. You could scarcely script less conducive scenario than the Olympics the US Open or the Super Bowl. His sports are not only not being able to be played. They are almost singularly ill suited for this pandemic. So I I think we're all sort of rethinking how we're GONNA stage sports but also what sports mean in the social fabric and how we can keep that when obviously like you say Jamie I mean the the idea of seven hundred thousand people going to one site that just so happens to be ground zero for this whole global pandemic in Queens New York but how hundreds of thousands of fans going to one site to watch. Athletes who've flown in from all over. The world are now sharing a locker room. How are we going to be? I mean that's that's clearly going to be precluded for years. But how are we going to be able to enjoy sports? And how are we going to be able to alter sports and reassess sports and sort of keep the goodness while recognizing that? There's a lot about sports that are really inconsistent with the best practices in the age of cove in terms of coming back. I mean the you have C. announced that they would hold this fight I guess a pretty long time ago they did give the players the opportunity to obviously train and get ready And they knew that they were on deck for this past weekend. How long do you think the US Open will give players to notify? How soon are we going to see a decision? I mean there's there's an early June gate that's been circulated of look. We're GONNA make the call by then. I mean I do think. A lot of these players I don't think players are sitting at home Guzzling beer in on twitch. I mean I just saw video nick. Cheerios without practicing and Canberra Nick curious practicing looking reasonably fit. You can be sure that You know dominant team and it's very as well If anything you have seen one of the harder sports where you've got to actually got in the you really have to be in literally in fighting shape. I think a turn the switch today. I mean right now at noon. We're GonNa have a tournament tomorrow. I think the majority of players would would be ready at least is IT I. I think we're and one thing we. I was glad Dr Hoenlein address us. I think one area. That's been a little short changed as just the mental health component to all of this and you're an elite athlete and you're competing is what you do. I mean that is a form of self assessment. It's a form of self identity all of a sudden. You're no longer competing. I mean niddle has been very outspoken about this essentially in so many words saying I'm just not and this isn't a doll of people saying I'm not necessarily in the state of mind to be competing but from a physical standpoint. These plan and I thought you know the level of play that exhibition. I referenced in Florida the four-man Exhibition with Appel Cop. Paul and I to me was indistinguishable from the level of play at this review. Told me this was the first round of Australia would have said Yeah. That's about right so I think the one thing I I think players muscle memory. I think the players will come back without too much of a perceptible difference but emotionally whether or not all these players are ready to resume like you say spent two weeks in quarantine before major is not a drill. Any of them have done before. That's a really interesting point about about a dollar. You know it gets me thinking in previous tournaments in previous grand slams. Think a lot of what we always talk about is that that one it factor that one thing that is going to separate you know player from player be especially in the finals in a lot of times especially when we talk about the big three is is their mentality is how they approach the game and it's that that mindset that somehow you just see them all the sudden turn it on or just take it to another level that you you didn't think was there That's a really interesting perspective. You know is someone like dollar federal in mind said to compete in that way you know. I think it's one thing to say. Yeah we can. Have you know this this match tournament? That looks like a the first Australia. But once he gets to the later rounds. How how strong is that competition going to be going to be good tennis? Is that or do? Do we care And how much does that affect the the winner of that year? You know to say well. You are people going to say well. You didn't compete against the best or you didn't compete against you know everyone that could have been there because maybe some people couldn't or decided not to not to come so. I was talking to one player who said I was talking to a player The days all run together by the way but it must have been last week. Who Essentially said they. They wanted to just to get back in the swing of competition and that people don't realize that that's a muscle to and it wasn't about whether I can make a few thousand bucks playing in some exhibition. It's about sort of getting back in the swing of competing and testing myself and being in a situation where it's it's four thirty all and it's something that You know we. We don't necessarily have statistics for it. It's something that doesn't isn't necessarily manifest when we watch tennis on TV but getting in this competition mindset is really part of the job in players haven't had a chance to do that since February and if playing backyard tournament there was event Tracy Austin mentioned in southern California. Sam Query is going to be on by believes Taylor. Fritz or son for some Brandon Savita. I'm blogging but it's you know a six man competition backyard but you're still going to be playing world-class practitioners you're still going to be facing Sam. Queries serve at four all and for a tennis player. There's there's something to be said for that so strange times all around but I think this is You know honestly Jamie this. This to me is the equivalent of the restaurant. That's now doing you know. We're we're all improvising and it would be great if that restaurant were doing full business and had table service and we were all having leisurely meals. But it's better than nothing so that's I sort of see tennis and very much. The same place better than nothing. Open House that slogan all right that will usually usually we are podcast. Because you know grant grant wall is is giving US looks or The NFL guys are coming in now. We are running out of zoom time so That will do it for this week. Thanks always a pleasure chatting. Jamie always a pleasure. I hope we get some some news soon. Some good news in the tennis world on what's coming from from your mouth to the USDA and of course governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasios. Aren't this this is the better than nothing? Tata's five guests. That will do it for this week. Thanks everyone thanks Jamie Yet this podcast wherever you get your podcast Lieber Review. Free to continue sending guest suggestions and suiting initially boop BOOP BOOP boop.

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Madison Keys on Kindness in Competition

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Madison Keys on Kindness in Competition

"Everyone John Wartime here is. This week's sports illustrated podcast this week. Talk With Madison Keys. Who apart from being a top player is also the front person for kindest wins which is her initiative and has been for several years which is a very different type of sports philanthropy. This one is basically aimed at making people nicer We're all four. It and Madison is always lovely to To visit with and so here without further ADO is Madison keys. How are you how you doing? I'm good how're hill? I'm alright I got all excited because I saw your press release said Rock Island but that we're going to talk mid West Midwest but you're in Florida right. I am currently in Florida. My mom is in rocket. How have you been have you been? Have you been experiencing this crazy detention? It's been it's been a big change of pace for me. Obviously not being used to being homeless often. But I've been keeping pretty busy and we'd have really nice weather in Florida. We've been lucky to have lots of sunshine in all of that. So just try to keep myself preoccupied. It's your inner optimist. I like that however you can pacing a return to tennis. I mean do. Do you have a imaginer gate in your head. When we're you're going to get back out there. I am trying to stay optimistic. I hope it's sooner rather than later but at the same time. I think I'm trying to not get too far ahead of myself in. Just kind of stay in the moment Hopefully soon I would love to play some tennis this year. So we're back as quickly as can be. It seems clear when you do come back. Stay films probably aren't going to be a big part of this. What are you what do you do that will be like? I think it'll be incredibly hard. I don't think any of us have really experienced being in you know big stadiums or big tournaments or anything like that in have emptiness and not really been there you know to entertain fans live. I think that's part of what we love doing is getting out in front of people and seeing them so excited during matches or postponing definitely going to be something that it would be probably a little bit of a learning curve and how to deal with that but at the same time when I get out there and compete and if we can you know get back on. Tv and people get to enjoy us. That that way I'd be more than happy to get back out there calling your own lives. I think that my opponent's would like if I called my own lines. I am one of the most generous. I'm so calling live but my coach typically when they're standing behind me like that was so far out really doesn't that it was like at least on the Lai at that is to me. That is a great transition to kindness. Wins may twenty. Second is kindness Wednesday. What what does that? I know what that means but what does what does this mean to you. I am incredibly excited about it. It means the world to me that it's a new venture for US obviously branching off of fearlessly girl and now becoming kindness wins and having a little bit of a broader mission but to be able to have kindness. Wednesday is something I really excited about and I think especially in a time right now when a lot of us are a bit more on edge and kind of just looking for some positive things in the world to make a smile. I'm really hoping that kindness Wednesday can be one of those things this to. Your credit has been your. This has been your passion for years now. How did this? How did this become your thing? Was there one defining event where you said? I need to tackle this. How did you land on this? I I really landed on this because I wanted to. I really just wanted to have some sort of positive back out into the world. I felt like I had built a great platform and I had amazing fans who were incredibly supportive and some of the best hands Could've asked for and I felt like I had people who listened to my opinion Ed and liked what I was thinking and I wanted to create something bad in a time where I feel like there's a lot of negative and there's a lot of especially in social media in especially in sports you know there's not always talks about being competitive and being kind and I wanted to kind of shake that up and show people that it's possible to be successful in competitive and want to win but also be really kind hearted person. I don't know if you saw the last dance. There is a basketball star. Who couldn't stood to participate in kindness? Wednesday We won't mention his name. Michael Jordan when I keep going with that I mean. What are you when people say you know? Kindness and competition aren't compatible or in sports. It's all about winning the reasonable place for kindness. What's your response? How do you push back to that? It's actually something that's pretty frustrating for me in the past have been told multiple times that I would never be that good because I'm too nice and that never made sense to me because the second I get onto a tennis court I wanNA win just as badly as the person across the net And I think a lot of times. It's taught from such a young age that they have to be kindness. And competitiveness can't be happening at the same time and it just for lack of a better word really annoyed me that that's how people think and I wanted to not only show people all of the kindness that's happening in the world but also highlight that people can be competitive and successful and still kind and respectful. Either on you know on a tennis court on a basketball court wherever you are. It's not mutually exclusive. It's very possible to have both of them at the same time. I say this jokingly but seriously did you watch the Jordan Documentary. I I saw everyone tweeting about it but I always forgot what day it was. The UNSUNG GONNA have to try to find it now. I I mean honestly I think you'll find it really interesting in this respect. Because and this is by his own admission like he he was an asshole was you know. Every perceived slight motivated him and he wasn't nice to his teammates. And I think you'll be really. I think it'll be interesting. You in in this context. We're talking about now. How would you out you? Sorta rate the kindness level on in the WPA TOUR. Right now. And what what's this is. This is your cause and I think it's great. How much is it caught on? What do what do you think of? The kindness factor and women's Tennessee's days. I think I mean the entire time that I've been on the tour. I am always been really welcomed from when I was young to super supported in down times whether I'm walking into the locker room or even when I had risk surgery and coming back from that everyone came up to me in. You know said we're so happy you're back where you know you're here again. We missed you. I mean most of the time when you walk into the Locker Room. You always are walking into a smiling face in someone that you can have a laugh with. And at the end of the day we travel with each other. I always joke and say the tennis tours is like a giant traveling circus. We are with each other all the time. We experience really high. It's and it's really lows all in the same week. And then the next week we see each other again it would be incredibly difficult to be around each other if we all hated each other and we don't get along really well it's you know just as the world is you have some really close friends you have. You know people that your acquaintances with but at the end of the day. Everyone is very respectful in kind to one another. And it's one of those things where it's like it does happen. It's not an anomaly. It's not like it's I'm the first person say that it can happen but it's not happening. It is and I just really want to highlight I. Also I'm going to preach here. I think this is also a real advancement for for title. Nine Women's sports and this is a Billie Jean King legacy is that you sort of realize the Socialization of Sports I WANNA ask you. You know who you can't see face to face and you don't see on the traveling circus. Are these trolls online. And I know the Internet. Bullying is part of this. How do you deal with that? How do you process that when you're not running into these people in locker rooms a lot of times you don't even you know they've got avatars and fake names at? How do you with when you scroll through your mentions? And you see horrible things lenient. I actually gotten to a point where I know. I'm in a bad had faced all text munns and tell them to go through everything in delete big if I can't handle seeing day but honestly most days it's acknowledging that a probably were than tennis lost obviously and that I have no control over that and if they wanna be mean-spirited people who WanNa spew vile comments at someone. I can't do anything I was talking to courtney wind from the wgn the other day. I said I'm going to start responding with kindness when sat or to everyone who sends me. Something Nasty. That's great now. I think the other thing people realize when you actually confront some of these trolls a lot of times. They apologized profusely in retreat. And I never thought you would read this. I mean sometimes I wonder as you say I think in tennis. A lot of this has tied to gambling but I wonder how much of it is just the anonymity of social media and someone you know never things for a second that. Somebody's in the locker room. Actually seeing what what. They right Do you talk to other players about that. I mean you're know you're in your mid twenties. You've you've been a top ten player you've had all the success. I imagined it's maybe different when you're sixteen seventeen eighteen years old and going through this you talk to younger players about this. I have been there for people. Who are they've walked into the locker room there? You know. They just lost they done. They're cooldown whatever they go to grab their phone and they'll see the messages and we've all been there when someone has either gone through it or that's Benito and sometimes we laugh. Sometimes you know if it looks like someone's taking it hard you know the moment where you're like what you know why they're saying that you know none of it's true and all of that but I think that it's not only something that's talked about enough so often when the responses oh just ignore it. Meet them block them. Whatever I mean. That's true you should use them or block them or whatever but at the end of the day they still wrote something terrible it still could affected you and I don't think we always take the time to actually talk about it and say that sucked kind of just let ourselves except that. What kind of hurt and move forward traumatic and I've been. I've been practicing a lot more last couple of years. That if in that moment what will make me feel better is responding to them and saying hey like there is a person on the other side of this message and making them acknowledge that. I'd their words do have power even if they can't see you in person dot sometimes about take other times. I just ignore it other times I send it to a friend and say hey this sucks. I need you to tell me. This isn't true and I you know I think. Hopefully we get to a point where we all feel okay talking about it and not feeling like it makes us weak that some tweet actually kind of got to us. Oh I totally I don't want to put you in a tight spot. But you know we're we're talking about online bullying and it's hard for me to divorce that. From the fact we have a president to call the woman dog in another one die for crying low-life and that was that was only this week. Is it hard for you to have this as as your mission and not politicize? It doesn't make sense. No that makes sense. I think at the end of the day I try not to bring. I tried to bring names into it. I try not to bring in you know trying to make me versus someone else specifically or this person versus this person. I'm just trying to focus on the big issue that's happening. And obviously when more popular people are the ones that are doing online bullying. It's hard it's hard not to say something sometimes but at the same time I feel like that kind of gets away from the mission and I don't WanNa make it a thing I don't want to start getting into. This person is a bad person or this person is a great person. I just WanNa talk about how as a whole do we make the world better? And how do we combat this obvious issue that we have Right Got Icy Michaela. Schifrin's onboard now. This is this is growing isn't it? It's definitely growing. I'm really excited. That Michaela has joined as a champion. I think she is going to be great. And I'm really excited to get to work together. I think being a tennis player in usually being in an individual situation I really jumped at the idea of trying to make us kind of a team and have a lot of people part of it was the spread the word but also just because I think I think the best ideas come out of bouncing ideas off of each other and having multiple experiences and perspectives of situations. I think that's when you have the greatest things. Come come out and I really excited to continue to grow and to continue to have more champions join. I think it's a said I mean it. Also strikes me tell from wrong here. I can't remember too many causes whether they're related or not. It doesn't seem as though there's like a financial I mean it's really about spreading awareness and social media Are you raising money? Or is this something totally separate? We're definitely raising money in. We were going to have our first fundraiser. At the Volvo car open but obviously didn't happen so as students the world can kind of restart were definitely gonNA look forward to being able to have her first fundraising and things like that. Mind big thing is I really love the idea of especially incorporating it with sports and having you know if we as a foundation see a sports team who did an amazing act of kindness being able to give them a grants for equipment or going to nationals or things like at in being able to provide them with grants or funds just because they did something amazing. And we're recognizing as wild. That was incredible and they obviously didn't expect anything of it but just to be there to say we saw this. We love this and we hope you can go big places. That is an act of kindness. You mentioned the Babacar Open I don't know if I'm allowed to say this but I will anyway. I think that site might be the The there's no Volvo car open obviously but I think Charleston may be hosting a alternative event. Do you have interest in playing some of these non-sanctioned events. Does that interest you? I definitely would love to get back out and play some tennis in be competitive and get back out to doing what I love and I think everyone is trying to figure out how to do it in the safest way possible. That's probably why it's taking a little bit of time. You're out since we have obviously never been in this position in never had to worry about things that we have to worry about right now but I would happily be part of things and you know. I'm very looking forward to getting back out there. Getting back out for fans will watch tennis. Are you reassessing relationship with tennis? emit it more than you thought less than you thought. Is it changing the way? You're sort of seeing yourself in the sport it's definitely been a massive reminder of just how much you love tennis and on top of that how much you love traveling and being in different places in saying different people in all of that in. I was laughing the other day thinking. I don't over the last time in the month of May I was in stay like hugely in Europe that reports live weekend. What's that all about? I was like I'm not used to hot. Weather are usually like a light jacket in Rome right now. But it's definitely made me appreciate one how much I love tennis but to you know we all sometimes get a little homesick and living on the road and in hotels can get tough sometimes but then now that that's been taken away. You appreciate how much you truly love going. All the places that we get to go well said what? Stay stay with your interrupted. You're you're interacting up taking cuts a very large figure. Stay stay with us here. What's what's another silver lining else have you gotten to do that was unexpected? Or you've you've made the perfect souffle. I mean what's what's something else. It's sort of unexpectedly cool. You've gotten to do while you have been able to tennis. It's been it's been a time where I have gotten to be in the kitchen. A lot in trying to for recipes and trying to things and You know Bjarne is a big health. Health Advocate in health. Not Right now. Reading of books listening PODCASTS. And things like that. So we've been trying a lot of different things and I think adding those things to dinners in ways that not only are they super healthy but delicious has been really fun and I've been gardening a lot so I've been outside getting the hang out. Hold my plants so definitely trying to find the positives and obviously there's days where he wake up anything man. I wish everything which is back to normal but at the end of the day I'm healthy river my head. I have said to eat so all in all. I'm in very good place. That is nice to hear you are as they say in the quad cities. You're good egg. This great good luck and I hope we see you soon. Thank you hope to see soon as well? They care thousand all right thanks for Madison for for the time in the candor. Always Nice catching up with her. We would all prefer that it. We're done onsite at a tennis event. But we'll take zoom if if we have to in good for her for kindness wins Thanks as always to Jamie our producer. In Jamie I bring you in. Let's keep going with this theme. That Madison Broach. I think it's also especially resonant coming off of The last dance and watching Michael Jordan. This issue of whether kindness in competition can be compatible Thoughts on that. Yeah I love how she says you know from a young age. How kindness and competitiveness are. Just they're taught that they can't be the same thing or they can't happen at the same time. It's so true. I feel like growing up. Whenever you know you were told to play hard or fight for the ball in in mice for at least or you know to really just like getting game. All those things had this negative almost mean connotation you know it's not something that you say go to the ball and put a smile on your face or you know there's there's just nothing about it that says kindness. I love that Madison Keys as part of this initiative and she roped in Michaela Shift Ron and some other people this year and she really is expanding it and it's really great to see because I think it's something everyone should be thinking about and talking about issues right to say that. It's not something that we discussed and. I think it's a hard thing to wrap your head around the comment that she made about. Being too nice to win is something. I feel like I've heard in sports. You know for many years so figuring out a way to show people that it is possible to be a nice person. And so when Is is important I'm really happy that she is part of this initiative and making that Conversation Happen. I've always been struck by by Roger Federer in that regard and we think of You know Michael Jordan and Kobe and sort of go through the list. And Muhammad Ali go to go through the list of of a-list athletes and they seem to have this edge in this nastiness in this sort of Could always be characterized positively or negatively. But there was always an edge. There was always a friction in icy nervous. And you saw Michael Jordan. Everything is combative every slight even imagined becomes fuel and better just has none of that never had it and I think He really challenges this. This has an. I remember what you wrote about Diana Terachi. Last week That even she had to balance. What was the phrase the the kind hearted asshole? Yeah exactly There's not a lot of the latter bat in these days and I think one thing that's interesting that struck me about about Madison especially as women's tennis to me seems to have really sort of had this arc where initially when Billie Jean King and Wti was was just beginning in launching there was a real collective consciousness. There was a real a sisterhood sollidarity. Some of it was just by circumstance. Right I mean these new warrant wealthy athletes and they had to share station wagons and they had to collaborate like colleagues in a star and then as women's tennis grew and and money started entering the equation and teams entered the equation. When I started covering tennis in the late nineties there was a real sort of there was a real friction in the locker room and the stories of course are Are Famous and manifold. But there wasn't necessarily the sisterhood. I always thought it was generally quite healthy. Actually that this is how individual athletes behave and we had moved on from the days of sharing station wagons that Martina. Hingis was her own little company and she was competing against the fetus Williams company. You're Jennifer Capriati Company And I think lately and I don't know if it's social media I don't know if it's just sort of this recognition that we can compete of Madison says we can compete with the balls and play. That doesn't mean we have to dislike each other. I feel like there's a real sort of revival of sisterhood in attendance in general in the women's game in particular and Madison is not certainly the only one but I think this is a really interesting. Every athlete seems to attach themselves to a pause and to philanthropy some more sincerely than others. She is really three hundred and sixty five days a year on Thomas Wins and I. I think it's really. It's really interesting way looking at using your platform. It's a different kind of philanthropy from something health related or something that seeks to raise funds. But she's she's into this and good for her. I completely agree and the sisterhood thing is interesting because I think a Lotta people cannot discern between sisterhood and kindness in that respect in just general kindness. I don't think I don't think what mass and saying is that every WTI player needs to be best friends with their opponents and go in the locker room they need to. There's there's just something that needs to be a mutual respect and you talk about sharing station wagons in things. I don't think medicine is suggesting that You guys are are sharing a I dunno skincare and texting every day and doing all these things. I don't think that's what she's saying. I think it's just a general respect that we're in this together. You know as she said. We're we're on this tour and were in the same grind. We're doing all these things. And that general respect is something that I think probably got lost a little bit over the years in people as you say trying to develop their own companies their own personalities their own careers really and that might have fallen down the wayside a little bit and it's really great that Madison is is taking that part of it and then also you know you guys talked about the online cyber bullying part of it which is something. I don't think a lot of fans always think about but this is something that athletes in tennis outside of tennis. Have to deal with every day. And we you know. We wonder as journalists wise. Sometimes they don't want to answer questions or they don't want to speak about certain things and sometimes it's because when they do put out an opinion or they do say something on social media. They are immediately flooded with messages and a lot of them aren't good and so. I think it's really great. That Madison's one of Madison initiatives in this is to raise awareness and help people deal with that aspect. I also think on the social media front. I think she's right. A lot of these are gamblers. Who MIGHT NOT BE You know the the the pinnacle of society to begin with WHO have lost money and some of these you see these messages and some player on Nicole. Give Belinda bench. Sometimes the players will even re tweet them to draw attention to them just sort of nastiness they're exposed to they're not just ugly and imporant but a lot of times they are their gender-based they're based on physique they have you know violence and sexual implications. Sometimes I mean it's it's really horrible and I really think that this is something that we don't talk about it. We don't often think about It's really jarring to get a message like that. I say as a journalist or Yo- so why do you hate Nepal and you sort of your instinct is to defend yourself? And it's it's really unpleasant. I cannot be imagined being half my age in a competitive global business and having something that's comparably nasty but also directed at me sexually. I mean I think this is something that We don't talk about much but the players talk about it a lot and it's a real problem. It's a real occupational hazard. And when we talk about sports gambling and Internet revenue stream. And it's going to happen anyway. We made his will embrace it and regulated. I think this issue gets enough attention and I don't think it's necessarily. Oh you lost you suck I mad at you because you lost or because you one. It's not that it as you said it really attacks. These athletes individually. I mean Madison Keys. I'm sure as you said. Get a lot of messages about her gender about her race about how she looks and those things hurt no matter who they're coming from whether they're from somebody with a throwaway handle on twitter or not and I love how a Madison said that she was talking with Courtney and saying that she's just going to reply with the the kindness wins. Url reminded me of a friend. I have from college that you know. He's very involved in his community in building. Mosk and the post was on social media and so many people That he didn't know came on there and started spewing hate towards him and his first response was to just say nice things he was kind he just said you know though the doors are open I would love to come show you love to teach you and he and he was very open about everything and he replied with kindness and it really reminded me of that You know when Madison said that. She's just going to reply with the kindness. Wins Dot Org your house so that people can just learn a little bit more about what she's pushing and and about being nice. I We we broached the subject of our president Interesting we're having this conversation that day. After the president of the United States social media account is In in with with warnings for truthfulness. But let's let's change gears shall we transition on Madison Keys? She is playing in event in Charleston next month in June and this is essentially at the facility where the Bob opened in Charleston. Were supposed to be played. There's going to be sixteen woman event including Madison including Sloan Stevens including so if you can end beyond dress you so the two previous major champs on the women's side and there will not be fans there but this seems to be the new way of the world at least in the immediate future Jamie World Team tennis announced that they are going to have a one site event at the greenbrier. In West Virginia Novak Djokovic announced he's going to have his tour of the Balkans with the number of players. It does seem as though the thaws thought. You know the winter song here and we're getting back to seeing some tennis. Even if these aren't sanctioned events What will you be looking for Jamie when you see these players back on court? Some of these events will be on tennis channel. What are you going to be zeroing in on? I think first off just the general how the tournament is constructed the interactions and of course you say there will be no fans but what is this tournament going to look like right. Give us a taste of what this for could be in the future. I think all of the new rules and and they talk about them in other or there's going to be so many adjustment so balls towels hint shakes lines people all these things. I think. That's my eyes are going to go first And then of course the players I. I think it'll be really interesting to see how they are. What their demeanor is you know? Are We talk about? Kindness with Madison Keys. Are People going to be more friendly without being too close In or is going to be very competitive at first because people are itching to get back in the that Dr bottled up for so long. So definitely looking at that part of it but also are we gonNA see sloppy tennis. Are we going to see You know Arad matches so that that's of course the other thing and I think I'm also going to be watching. How the absence of fans will affect the players and just the atmosphere in general. It's something that I think people in tennis. They think that because the fans aren't constantly roaring and screaming and yelling that they don't play a role but we've talked about this. I think that that atmosphere in that tension that's created by fans When that dies down that creates something. That's very different than any other sport So I'm I'm going to be interested to see how that adjustment affects things We'll we'll give the. Us Open update again time. Stamping this for whatever. Today is may twenty seventh. Which is that as of now? Still a going concern. It got a nice shot in the arm a few days ago when the APP Acting Secretary for Homeland Security Chad wool former college. Play tennis player by the way Issued out release saying athletes from overseas would have some exemptions and wouldn't have to quarantine and mentioned tennis specifically That certainly bodes. Well again. I mean I think we're We're only about two weeks from the. Usda having to make a firm decision one way or the other. But I think a lot can happen in the next. You know whatever. Almost ninety days here One two three or four Jamie of Roger Federer Rafa Nadal Novak Djokovic and Serena Williams. How many of them actually play assuming the twenty twenty? Us Open does occur so given that you know there won't be fans there. There may be a limit on entourage is a small bubble that we talked about last week. It's GonNa be a much different tournament but it'll still be technically a major. We can debate the size of the asterisk but it will still be a major given the top four stores stars and tennis the Big Three plus arena. How many of them do you suspect? Actually decide to enter the twenty twenty. Us Open provided it goes off. This is tough. I'm sitting here doing calculations in my head and I'm and not really getting anywhere. I I think I WANNA say three of four. I'm going to. I'm going to bet on three or four For the men. Of course they're coming. They'll be coming over internationally so I think there'll be some obstacles there but of course as you say these are big stars and I think if there's a will there's a way with them and I think we might get maybe two of three there. And then I think Serena may play. You know she. She doesn't have to travel too far she. Of course I think has been itching to get back and she might see it as an opportunity you know. Of course. She's still chasing to get that Grand Slam record and I think maybe she has the perspective that this might be the chance. Us Open a lot of practice beforehand. Not a lot of competition. Maybe it's less and maybe she can really come in and just seize the day in and win one on her home turf. No I think I think you're right. I think they're the real factors militating for and against. And if you're Serena Williams and you have a finite number of events left and it's hard cords and you're right you don't have to travel particularly far you don't know what state the competitions going to be and I mean they're real reasons for her to play obviously some real health and safety reasons against it. I'll give you an interesting. Jamie that A highly regarded former player. Said to be over the weekend which is pay attention to this limit on entourage and the team has become so important to the top players. Physios coaches hitting partners. It's going to be creating some real dissonance. If Serena Williams Roger Federer Rafa they can only bring one one person with them so we talked with Docker hainline about these small bubbles. I had heard that right now as it stands. They're talking about a player plus one guest so that could be anyone that could be a sibling. That could be a coach but you only get one guess per player The way it was framed to me was these top players. This is going to be like being in the band not having the drummer. The keyboard player that this is going to have a real impact on these top players who have grown so dependent to having this this large team around them and that when we talk about playing amid cove and we talk about no fans and we talk about sort of the the logistics in the Locker Room. In what you said just a bandwidth devoted to do. I use hand sanitizer as a safe to go here. Should I wear a mask? I mean that that takes a mental price. Pay Pay attention to this limit on entourage's because Again this is a top player. Said to me this this is something that's really going to impact the stars so just I mean again. We should back up and say all of this presupposes. The event actually happens which I would put it bets at a fifty fifty proposition right now. I mean having having been in New York and having been a few miles from the national tennis center. It's still to me is really quite a stretch to think we're going to be a position to hold a a major event there later this summer. But you know if this if this does happen. There's a part of Austin roots for tennis in hopes does keep an eye on a number of factors but again the the one that was said to me which. I think is really interesting is note. Note the limits on entourages and how that may affect top players. Yeah that's definitely interesting. You don't think about you. Don't think about that until you're walking the grounds at the US Open and you see a player and you see about six or seven people behind them just kind of kind of walking there and then start to pick out who each of these people are It will be interesting especially building on the practice courts and you know we always see at the. Us Open Different players. That's a great place to be. Sit Up there on those bleachers and watch some of these players back this but is there going to be A. US Open designated hitting partner for all players. Are they even going to have that opportunity? It's it's going to be very different and again I think it will make this. Whoever wins this you open? You know assuming it happens the astronaut on this. I think we'll go both ways. We've talked about the competition part of it and how that will be affected if not everyone is able to or willing to come to the tournament but also on the flip side. I think it's a it's a special one. I think there's GonNa be a lot of obstacles. You mentioned mentally and physically or a player to overcome in order to win a match and win a string of matches or to to win the title so definitely putting putting a star on this twenty twenty us open title. Should it happen? I think that's really. I think that's really perceptive. I think you're right. I mean I think the what what we tend to say reflexively especially if the field is depleted especially if Roger Rafa Novak say thanks but no thanks. I think we're going to say somehow. This event is deluded. But I think your point is Deluded and diluted but I I think your point is really a good one. Which is the flip side of that is man. What resolve what fortitude. What does it say about your professionalism and your ability to compartmentalize and stay in shape if you know? Just pick a name out of the hat of if Dominic team wins the. Us Open boy. That really speaks well for his level of professionalism winning twenty one cents after a global pandemic. You could easily spin that into in some ways this. This title is freighted with even more significant adaptation. I didn't just have to overcome. You know seven opponents but also circumstance and inactivity and general global fear and paralysis. I really think it's a really smart point. Yeah so We're still on that better than nothing. Drain though so we got a before. We start talking about Favorites AND DRAWS. We need to a yes or no over down on whether or not this is actually happening as a as a final note Should I top locate this further nasty? Please I did I did note that the French Ministry of Health seems to be speaking of very favorably. Seventy-three reported corona cases in in France. And there's an overall decline and I'm looking here there. You know fifteen hundred patients and incentive care but Number clearly are stabilizing in western Europe. I wonder if we aren't more likely to have a French. Open than the. Us Open Just something to Something to discuss and also keep in mind that for the majority of players given the the Sports Gravitational Center is Europe There will not be getting on planes and Roger. Federer's a three hour train ride away from Basel to Paris. Should he choose to go that way? So we're talking a lot about the US. Open for for obvious reasons. Not least it's it's the next one on the calendar but He keep in mind there as of now is twenty twenty French Open on the books as well in a part of the world where there does seem to be the destabilizing numbers so anyway A A wait-and-see. We'll get some answers soon. We hope Jamie as always. It's a pleasure. Thanks for Thanks resume thanks resume. I was it was fun. We will do it again. Next week. I will encourage people to check out your podcast you did a great piece on Diana to Rossi in the record. The new sports illustrated podcast. That just came out a few days ago. You can subscribe to this podcast as well as the record Wherever you get your podcast leave review. Keep the guest suggestions. Coming subscribe and We will do it again next week. Hope everyone is healthy. Well hanging in there and leave. The ice is starting to The the little bit Pierce two years to that continuing have a good week everyone boop boop boop.

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Lindsay Davenport and the US Open

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Lindsay Davenport and the US Open

"Everyone John Wartime here this week sports illustrated tennis podcast. This week we connect with one of our all time favorites. Lindsay. Davenport Lindsey of course, is our colleague our buddy more importantly a tennis hall of Famer former US Open champion various student commentator. I will stop now for a plug and say that Lindsay and I will be part of the tennis channel morning show to preview the US Open that will be ten o'clock eastern on tennis channel that out of the way Lindsay is great we preview the twenty to. Twenty, twenty US Open, I guess insofar as you can. Preview prognosticate with so little data and so much swirling craziness all of these variables but we have a good conversation. Thanks to the guest We tape this on Thursday. This was after Wednesday night, and the sock alleged stoppage of play to the the the Cincinnati and New York event. So we acknowledge that we talk a bit about that and systemic injustice and Naomi Asakusa leadership role, and then we talk about the US Open what we can possibly expect when there are so many unknowns and For so many players It's it's been a season with so little actual. And sanctioned masters. So I we fund free-flowing tennis conversation I think you'll enjoy lindsay as good as it gets as a commentator in she shows y So here we here's Lindsay. What's happening? Interesting year I'd say. Let's make sense out of tennis in. Late. August two, thousand twenty. Where to begin here because usually we do these things and we well, you know in Cincinnati Sheila and the week before that, she looked why she's coming off a Wimbledon fourth-round. I got nothing here. I. Mean. We're I. Guess You know what? Let's. Let's start with. Let's start with social justice is a moving target but obviously, we're doing this on Thursday when there is no tennis at the tennis center mostly because of Naomi socket you let's just. I think Reagan outpaced by news you to. Top line outs. Just amazed at this young lady and how she has really. Grown into the person and the leader that she is I mean we saw her two years ago, John Win, a US Open under controversial circumstances almost crying when she got the trophy not the happy tears by the way we saw her not comfortable in the spotlight. And we've seen her truly in this past year really just blossom into this amazing leader and I, you know I think we thought that it was possible but I didn't think at this young age in her early twenties that she would be the type of player person who would be leading our sport and it's amazing to see. We haven't had player willing to sacrifice really willing to. Do whatever necessary for the greater good and look past. Oh by tennis or my match or anything else put all of that ahead to make a bigger impact in it's amazing. I. Mean Honestly yesterday as all these stories kept coming through I was getting the chills and then she was just amazing just doesn't this is important and you know what happened. It forced that forced it allowed me to bring it up with my young kid something that maybe that I don't know what would have happened I'm talking to a six year old about why this is going on in the world and a lot of that is because of nine soccer. I think too that she had a lot of people within tennis scrambling. And someone said to me, I do radio shows lead said, well, isn't she the highest paid female athlete and Michael Do? That is like, yeah, all the more reason for her not to do like since when does that cut your way of anything that makes it all the more impressive that many business relationships that she needs to keep in mind I Did you have any insight what brought this on mean you know there's she gives it here. She's self identified. There's boyfriend there's yolks he was in Minneapolis. You any insight as to what? Spurred us. Not. Really you know I was fascinated during the pandemic lockdown about hearing in. About her going to Minnesota and being willing. To take such a strong stand honestly during a pandemic and we have so many crazy things going on right now and I was I remember thinking wow, that is really remarkable from her. And then when this all came about. You know my first reaction was well, I can't believe it, and then about five minutes later I'm like, yeah good for her and you know the the support of everybody in the tennis world from what I've seen so far at least on social media and other platforms, it's remarkable and I think that everybody knows. Now I mean we've had players in the seventies, lead us and be willing to sacrifice, and be will link to walk away and willing to fight for the greater. Good. A lot of that kind of went away and there was. All of a sudden, you get a player again that's like, nope, this is way more important than my tennis or anything else. I think that she she had the respect of everyone the tennis world she's now earned it from you know other people around the world. And all this is in the context of a major seventy, two hours away and nobody's going anywhere. Everybody's going. You've thought like give it was going to fly to a different destination I mean she's doing this when everybody is in. Lockdown Where are you? If there's a continuum here? We have this among our colleagues. Some people say, this is not this is reckless come back in twenty twenty one and other people say shows got to go on we don't even need. This bubble where are you sort of in the? Spectrum. You know when I first heard about these kind of plans these in I think it was about may of us Ta's maybe thinking about doing it in a bubble and I remember going wow, that's crazy. I can't believe that you've got all these people find him from all over the world. It's not as simple as everyone based in the states and figuring this out then each step of the way, everything nope this is going to be fine players can fly in from overseas. This is what we have organized is now hearing from players that are in this bubble for like the last two weeks hearing from people that are playing in the Cincinnati. Tournament in New York If, I were current player and I was experiencing that I don't think I'd play outside bubble now. They're talking about you know Rome minute robes out some kind of paper that going over their rules where they strongly the players don't go out to eat. Yes. That should be a rule I mean that's the kind of the behavior that could really bring down tournaments I mean unfortunately, if you WANNA play, you're going to have to really kind of be in a bubble and. You WanNa make sure everyone else around you is also though in a bubble so you don't pick it up from them or from their coach from their hidden partner from their trainer. So I think this this tournament can these tournaments continue to go through without anything crazy happening with no really positive results in the virus not spreading and then the US being able to contain it. I don't see how you don't. I. Don't see how you can play not in a bubble for the rest of of this pandemic. That's a real real reversal. I, mean it used to be I can't the USDA's being so strict and these these guidelines are oppressive. You're saying the opposite you're saying you go to Europe and these players are going to say, wait a second why are their fans walking around the grounds? That would be me and I'm obviously the eat everyone I mean we saw hal help scared to go into a bubble. So everybody has their own their own comfort level. If it were me I would not feel comfortable playing a tournament where I know that everyone could have gone out to dinner or could have gone to a nightclub and then be within six feet of me. The next day that is me so we'll see I mean in Europe, the cases went down it sounds like they're starting to pick up. Again, this virus is not going anywhere anytime soon. So to think that their past it or it's not going to happen, you can't have that mindset. You have to have the mindset if we're organizing something that it's around, how do we get? Away with not having it get into our atmosphere. It's it's a bubble life unfortunately. I think it's really smart. I mean, I think it's really responsible but I also think you're right if the US Open pulls this off. It's really interesting if the US Open pulls us off suddenly the pressure is going to be like wait a second work. They are big deal. We have a lot of breeds and we didn't get to go to. Nobu. But you know what we all got paid and we all got healthy. We all play tennis. And we all had an opportunity to do our trade to earn more money to win a trophy Then you hear about from tennis Australia Tennis Australia has been planning for their January twenty twenty one tournament since March April of this year to be played in what a biometric baubles I mean they're on it they know and they've started the organization Usda a started in April may trying to organize this in a bubble they're they're not dummies they know exactly they want their tournament their. Chance for their term it to take place and not be affected. It's it's had the players contained. Melbourne today hundred, seventeen cases it was like so that if you know earlier this month, it was like seven V yet. Yeah, anyway. So given are. We try me different given our absence of lead in events and of momentum and data points. This is either going to be catastrophically bad or or a different way to do any. You're ready to rock with me. Yep they are. I'm going to give you the factor dead of talking about players who did what because we don't have anything to basis on. If I give you the factor tell me who helps or hurts. We have all these crazy variables this year, right so if I say like I say no fans. Who does that impact in who might impact positively? Well I mean the theory being that it helps the players with not that much experience, right? It's a lot less overwhelming to walk into our thrash looking around at not hearing twenty thousand people cheer for your opponent if you are not well known if it's your first match out there I after thinking about it last week. I think it helps Serena because I'll tell you why. She said some of her greatest triumphs, their nineteen ninety nine first grand. Slam, which she's also had some of the moments that she wants to erase from her career and for whatever reason in New York brings out the most stressed Serena. I, think we've we've ever seen playing on tour is that the fans I don't know maybe she wants to win in front of them too much or she feels so much anxiety ever that court in that situation has brought out some of the Higher Stress Serena's I say she's playing she can handle no fans. She has enough motivation I think that might ease just a little bit of the pressure on her. Oh. Wow, that's that's. I had a former player when she was struggling against the car the other night texted and said, Serena can't adjust to playing in front of nobody. She's used to the spotlight and Jay Z and beyond saying it's been years and years and years it feels like practice to her I could tell that's that's a really interesting guy. I wonder you know in that court. But that was grandstand that wasn't Arthur Ashe. Great. But he was day after day. She was physically breaking down i. mean the biggest thing for Serena's every other day she needs that day of rest. I mean. So she's GonNa get that I think that being an sacrificing being in a bubble and going for twenty four I think I think she'll be okay we'll see though. What about this limited freedom of movement? Usually, this is the week players come to New York and they do their sponsor appearances and. They hang out in the East village what about who who is impacted positively negatively by Life at the hotel. That's interesting. So you have some of the top players Stacey said it was under ten. That, were in private housing I think for the really top players, it probably lessons a lot of the stress because they don't have all those. Things to go to and all these events at all these media things. But. I think the players who? Are More creatures of habit like party animals that are just fine kind of quiet lives but I don't know who those players are. I do know like someone. You know like Serena normally had a million things going on the week before the US Open and running around from appearance to appearance. I think for the top players. They'd gotten rid of all that. So that obviously takes away a lot of stress but I that's a good one. I don't know exactly who that would be. Other name a you. The checks like like pepper. Right. Right calm and she'd say, Oh, it's too chaotic and the traffic. Let's. Play maybe hollow if you're planning. I'll give you that what about? What's another factor? Fast is obvious. Right I'M GONNA say the physicality I didn't get a safer the men going three out of five seven. That's good. What about? Razi and I think we're GONNA see. Players that become a bigger factor than it's ever been a major. You have players at worry about going into Australia and they talk about Oh my offseason of like what five six weeks at the most maybe seven and they're concerned about going into Australia's. So now you take players who for six months haven't been able to do it. It's not one. It's the whole field some not able to practice on a train for parts of that, we're going to see a lot of retirement a lot of body's breaking down as tournament goes on. So who gets through that first week pretty comprehensively will they'll have a huge advantage going into the second week. Who is able to not get injured and recover I don't know I think that I think it was a lot to ask to play three out of five sets and we just have to see how that plays out riskier changed the format i. In their plan for history but I think will unfortunately I think it's Too much to ask too soon. But I forgot. Who I think Medvedev today, we're like a we're all going to break down I. Wish you were best at three and you in but I think you're absolutely right. You have so much of Quirky. Anyway. Net add the mental eight the best three on top of all you've got to every day you can't leave a hotel the not going to be fans are on drugs. Oh, by the way we're changing the format we've had for decades. Yeah I. Mean they're trying to like how do you make this? US. Open is legitimate as possible. You cannot change the format, right? They're already going through a lot of criticisms than everything else I just think it's GonNa be be biggest factor and the biggest factor the physicality inside that we've ever seen. What about this interview from trooper? The same things I have this cortra- discrete light. You Know I. Think we're going back to the late nineties I mean there was a couple of years. There were Patrick Rafter one where it was an I played in that era, it was like impossible to have rallies the court was so incredibly fast. Everyone who's been on site has said that and people who were around in this have very longtime ago APP said the same thing it seems like it was back then. So who does that favor? We'll have to see a main street in Venus. If they're serving well and it allows them to get one to two free points every service game that's obviously a huge advantage. You know can't help the players you know keeps their balls lower that maybe don't have that much power you never quite know but I would take an aggressive player players take balls early players that servewell on the women's side Petrovka the great example I think that those the those kind of conditions will help those ladies. Because you are pathologically modest falls on me to say this. The Women's title Your Para after one. All right. What about? What about these limited entourage's? I think I think it's great and I actually think that the tournaments are going to kind shift more towards that I mean it was getting. A bit ridiculous like the requests in I mean even for John You and I we get request to for like people. It's. So I think it's one way to maybe contained some of the numbers and also actually help control expenses moving forward that you determined not responsible for feeding the ten plus entourage from certain players. Now, this generation will there be comfort plane like that like could roth play with three people and not a bunch of people I don't know their customer nut so maybe it's solely gets worked in but. I. Think it's great I think the numbers were. Getting a little bit too ridiculous for some of the players what you need, you need a coach maybe you need a hitter you need something for injuries, right? Then you can do what your family from the family comes. It's complicated but I think overall it's a trend that is going in the right way. Do you think we'll have a material impact on some of these players that are used to traveling in packs. Now, only have one or two people. It could I mean technically if you're one of those really top players and money's not an issue from what I understand, they can all be at your house, right? So it like so you could still have if you wanted your chef for. MRIs and I don't know who Dr Apples with those kind of people they actually, they can't still be there helping you. They can't leave their house they can't go on site and muscle. What I understood is as the tournament moves forward and other players lose leave the bubble. More of those guests are then allowed in to watch the minor standing is then the the families were there might be able to come the second week or something. So let's to see how that plays out I. Mean who knows but you know it it's definitely maybe even out a little bit on site for some of the lower ranked players that don't have as much money to spend on that kind of stuff. What about kind of the whole macro? Batch it craziness of this year I mean everything from the. Travel in the fears and the social media component who? Who Do you think this? Impacts will and ill. Well. I think mentally it's taking its toll on everybody right? As you said from the beginning of the fear. The mental anguish of for some people being locked down and locked in and not being able to have their freedoms as they're so accustomed to it to the fear of getting back traveling plane in international sport even being around people again I have no idea I mean, that's that's so great. I mean everyone's gone through such different experiences with it. You know someone in Florida might have had. Access to cord at a house and not that's not phased by a got their injuries. Better are fine someone in a different part of the world might have been not allowed to leave their apartment for months and months. So I think as we see more players coming back in, we actually hear more of the personal stories, not just little snippets that have come out or social media posts or. I think you'll see how affected all these players have been remembered. There's no one really fighting for them like in a team sport there's no one like, okay we're GONNA. Help you. We're GONNA get you somewhere safe I mean you're the IT'd be. Battling on their own, not sure what was going to happen with the tours not sure when they be able to play again So I think you're going to hear like a lot of kind of horror. Stories from these players on how they were got through this. kind of crazy time for those few months I think you're. So right he mental health dimension to all this in sports is going to be like one of the big. Takeaway support for this podcast comes from Microsoft teams. 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I'm GonNa take the opposite where he so structured and used to things going one way and he's won so many times that this all these changes maybe maybe maybe it's a lot for him. You know we'll have to see and maybe someone like. Sec- pass or someone younger coming through like whatever I'm GonNa Play I. Don't. I don't know what it's like to have twenty thousand people watching me in the final or or not I don't know. So I think tennis wise it's. It's Kinda stupid to bet against Novak and is experience but I just have a feeling. It's going to be something crazy crazy result at the end. Did you this this is the gossip is a why did you see curious tweet yesterday about throwbacks? Yeah. I did. So my mic away from that. Yeah. Exactly and and I think you and I are probably in agreement that that. May Not be consistent with. How players tend to? Interact. You have an issue with me me in the locker room but don't. Aaron like yeah I don't I mean not a big fan of airing grievances online or on social media anyways or trying to call out players or pressure players or any of that kind of stuff. So you know nick if he's obviously and these players growing up in a different generation. So obviously, it's more comfortable for them to use that kind of outlet but. It's hard. I mean it's just right now especially with the tour starting I think you WanNa just. Just. Go a little bit more positive. But. You know that's I. think that's Nick. I mean we had. The ATP to her breasts being called out for not being on site also by some of the players. Yeah I mean. So they're using this, it could could gills may be called. Know. Andrea. Get Enzi and Muslim Cappelli and said are are you guys coming? Why aren't you here but people are using social media? It's just it's not something I'm. Comfortable with, but we get used to it and it's entertainment for us on the sides right No I mean my wind up not to sort of. Gossip about this this twitter beef but I just think like this is a year when all. Norms are off. Our players are stopping in the middle of events to protest, and you have players questioning the ethics of their colleagues on the Internet, and you've got exactly what you said. You've got players using twitter to call out executives. I. Just wonder sort of how this manifested itself at the tournament especially with joke who has not You Know Kendall we all we keep saying you have lost a match all year, but he's taken a lot of bells and I just wonder how all of this I don't think he's going to start losing matches. Nick curious is. Calling him a bad leader but I just wonder how all of this. Dissonance. Impacts, a top player do. It a lot I mean it was no back the other day said both my coaches. Wish I would get off the council I. Mean You have to know that in this pandemic he was spending hours and hours and hours in talks talking to you know the executives talking to try to talk to the player board trying to figure these things out is a lot of stress to bring on this generation seems a little bit better at being able to handle a lot of different things whether it be endorsements or social injustices or. Other Areas that give them a lot of pleasure I duNno, it would have been very hard for me to. To be able to go back and forth and spend a lot of energy on other stuff and not just tennis. So give give this whole generation a lot of credit for being able to do stuff like that. It's these little devices they they given they take. What about is the overwhelming favorite on the women I'm guessing the the top seed in the men's of guessing the top seed on the women's side is considerably less of a favorite I mean. Okay. So we talked about this who is your favorite before I answer to the women's NIOBE Osaka. Okay No I know that's the problem right now with women I mean, you just follow the results even of the Cincinnati Tournament you're not really sure how about in Lexington all of a sudden it was Brady I. Think there's so many players with a chance to win the whole thing and we say that the last year's on women's tennis I? Think there's even more players with a chance I was so bummed that golf in Osaka were in that same little section again. Aska you've seen the draw I saw the draw that that me out more than anything in the whole I don't WanNa. See them play in a third round again. No thank you. I. WanNa see that in the semi finals. Maybe. The quarters, maybe the finals whatever I don't want to see that the first week. because. Because what? Well I think that you've got to the favorites and just because of the age eligibility and obviously not being able to play and bring the ranking up Coco? Gets thrown into the mercy of the draw Gods and. Getting tough draws now I mean Osaka third round of the it's potentially going to be three majors in a row. That's rough. I'd love to see your place someone else But those courts. Osaka's look good on that site so far. One thing. I'd love to keep in mind and not comparing it too much is the top players will play on ash or Armstrong those courts are not like the other courts they're not like the grandstand court they're using is the main quirk percents. Those skorts protected they played much more indoor friendly tennis than those wide open grandstand out on the field courts. So I think that gives a little bit of advantage to some players like a Kubota. Those. Were not the conditions they were playing in this past week. Other players like court. If you're going to be on one of those top two courts, you're not dealing with the elements. You don't really have to deal with the wind at. So guarded even with the roof is open a little bit Mostly, in the shade. So even if we get sunny at certain parts of the day you're more, you're more guarded on those courts I think that's going to help some of the bigger hitters that may have gone out early in the Cincinnati Tournament. do let's let's talk about the third seed who I think played five matches so far I think he's played five three centers Jalen played anyone of the top twenty and last set she played. Gets. The. Car Was Fairly excruciating. As viewing proposition. What what what are we thinking here? I really liked her chances. Before Cincinnati. I like. Fast. She got some matches in Lexington. Again she's one of those players that's going to benefit greatly from not playing on the grandstand court at the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center in play in Arthur ash and. It's much more protected. So again in the win won't be an issue really and some other factors but. Not used to seeing the third set like we saw against the Cari I think the physical ailments will become less of an issue for Serena those every other day authors huge I would guess that she's going to be playing. Monday if I was on her team and she didn't wasn't. A big injury from Cincinnati over to the main draw you want to start off and give yourself as many days as possible to play in that tournament unless she's not quite one hundred percent that'd be the only reason I would think she wouldn't play Monday. she needs good first week I. Don't think she wants to be going three sets early on and how to be playing catch up physically that second week. We'll see she left a couple more questions after playing those matches week than she made a statement. But no one likes to underestimate or especially in these circumstances but even her quotes were like I, it's hard to stay positive. She's not playing a level she wants to play out right now. Sort of getaway. This is such a strange. So usually we sort of be go through the list players have played six matches now and they're carrying an injury I feel like this is just WHO THE HELMET Exactly toss up a bunch of names and there you go. I mean some of the driving talk about the driving Venus gets Mujo. But first-round, that's not an easy draw like sometimes the luck that you need when you're unseeded is to get into a nice little window where you could win a match or two and then kind of get a roll. That's a tough draw maybe she gets. Through that, and maybe that gives her the confidence and you've got other spots in the draw that look a little bit more wide open I. I don't know it. It's a weaker feel than we're used to seeing just because of so many players who aren't there but still I mean a plane for a Grand Slam title and there's no clear cut favorite on the women's side. there. Are Two players who reached the final the previous major on Kinda sorta the same surface in their names have not yet. Enter the conversation. We feel about movie and cannon. Well let's see I mean it was great news that mood decided to come over to the bubble in she pulled out of this insanity with ankle. So I mean, we haven't even seen her right. We've seen some practice. We've seen some poolside shots we'll have to see get it wants your play, a match or two Kenan that was rough watch against pornog-. That's not the canyon that we saw Australia the courts now Stralia were pretty quick apparently, not quite as quick as these courts maybe the courts are too fast for her I. Don't know we've got to see her. Play a couple more matches on that but she she looked overwhelmed and she looked like she was not ready to play yet. I gotta think that she's put in a lot of work this past week to get ready to play next week. But I don't know I. Mean it's it's possible. Those courts may be maybe just a little too skinny for her. All right last question of thought exercise. The nanosecond this event ends someone be in a major. and. There will be. Eleven people in the stadium. You imagined a stranger feeling in tennis I mean this is a river provided. It's not no backer Serena and this is a career defining moment for a player in it's basically going to happen on the equivalent of a practice court. Magin this s funny. I haven't even thought about that. We talked about plane but how about celebrating okay I'm in an adventure guests to say that the players entourage's will for the first time be allowed to actually jump on the court and tackler player. The players have to go to the stands. That's probably number one we're going to see that which we probably won't see again Yeah Oh my gosh I hadn't even. Thought of the ramifications of winning You know we're GONNA. have. To Grand Slam, champions. Played at a tournament we never really thought had a chance of happening. If you go back a few months, we had the French postponing. We had Wimbledon canceling like New York was just blowing up I think it'll be interesting I. Guess he was has a trick or two up their sleeves to make it. Kind of stand out and not not be the normal kind of celebration. It will be interesting to see what it is. They're going to dust off Phil Collins and Lenny Kravitz from. I like what you said. This is the instead of reversing instead of the player like climbing at she'll be entourage spill out onto the. If I were there whatever I would I would run all the court. If that was like by player by Child Avenue, there's no security that's gonNA tackle you down this year. Mask ghetto all right. This is a is always great fun. We'll see you in France will. Out there I'll be watching next week. All right you and me both. Thanks the pleasure by John Bigger. All right. Thanks to Lindsey thanks to L. D. that was a fun conversation free flowing as we say but what other way is there do it when the season is in such a crazy spot and so many of these stories are moving targets. US Open starts on Monday the thirty first again, tennis channel will be there with the pre-game show at ten o'clock eastern then the matches began and who knows how this is going to break no one knows anything Novak Djokovic, our favorite. that we know in the men's side, the women's field is wide open and there are so many variables and twist to this event that we will just have to See how it unfolds. This gives new dimension to the to the open in. US Open but we'll be watching. So thanks Lindsey thanks as always to Jamie Lassana. Thanks to Shelby Royce in who is filling in with producing All try do one of these at least one during the tournament and we will. Be This will be we'd be a putting this on social media with alerts. So thanks everyone for listening. Keep the guest suggestions coming. 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US Open Day 5 - Match of the tournament x6

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US Open Day 5 - Match of the tournament x6

"Hi this is billie jean king. This is marion. Bartoli amass philander. This is mary carillo. This is pam. shriver i'm thundering. Lleyton hewitt this is yannick noah and you're listening to the tennis podcasts. Willing terms of tennis quality and sporting drama. I think we might have just had one of the all time greats. Twenty four hour period on day five of this usa. Even if we incorporate a little bit of last night as well We would be able to say that more confidently if we had the the greater memory bank of david law among us But alas it is just myself and matt roberts because the excitement of the greatest ever twenty four hour period to be confirmed by david's more extensive memory bank has has role got to miss the law. And i spent all day today. Speculating on the tennis. Podcast worksite group. About how pumped low with bay for this podcast turns out to pumped. He's been struck down. Something possibly too much pump us Yes yes it's it's an affliction an affliction david struggles with with daily and. We wish him. Well like dan evans told us in his face. Much victory after his come from behind victory in a fifth set. Tiebreak win over. Alexi sprinting day. When he was asked about his next round with danilo method of anita down. So evans david law. And maybe the rest of birmingham's in harrison's are having ally down and it is left to myself and matt to pick over the bones of my being hyper bolus might one of one of the great twenty four hour periods. I didn't think you all that that was really really special today. It looked like a blockbuster day on paper didn't it. You know we had this stat that it was the first time since they changed the seeds to thirty two seeds at slams rather than sixteen that none of the top twenty seats had lost either. Round one around to I only jennifer brady. Who out of the tournament wasn't there. This was such a high profile lineup. And you just lined up. The matches and simone alip said she was looking over the play at breakfast and every match with semi semifinal love that image and they all delivered that they really really did you know and i think we sort of one that the other week didn't way whether sort of other tournaments with do an annual tribute to manic monday wimbledon. Now that that's gone and this felt light the day of they see as us open obviously around earlier. The manic monday but this is good around threes. I can remember it. Just all came together. How many matches would you put into the debate format to the tournament from the last twenty. Four hours submission. Let's let's talk through them A nissim overplays cover last night. Definitely alcaraz sits pasa anisimov applicable. Was the deciding. Set tiebreak correct. Sit to pass alcaraz deciding set tiebreak yet. I didn't see a lot of dan evans. Alexi popper in. I did deciding set tiebreak. Corker i think hal rebecca was. I would throw that one in. It went that's already And then you know cub stevens and mu grew as aranka. I don't think quite that level. But they were excellent matches which which really lived up to their hype So yeah. I think we've had six amazing matches in the last twenty four hours and we record with daniel collins versus arena. Suppling is still to come. Jabber mertens still to come a soccer fernandez and rube love against cafe which david law has picked as an upset. I mean if that prediction comes off. I don i state all right. Whether he'll ever pair on the podcast again. If ron this jaffe beats andre rip live tonight so my goodness i didn't know where to start a. I felt sure at one stage we would start with. Rebecca highlight that. I felt sure we'd start with mcgrath. Raza rancor but i'm just going to go with what's most present in my mind because i i got back tonight and i think it was five. All in the fifth set between carlos alcaraz the eighteen year old spaniard to played rafael null his hero on his eighteenth birthday at the madrid masters earlier this year and was presented with cake despite despite losing which is a tennis thing a weird tennis thing that we very much enjoy so i arrived home with he and third seed stefan to pass looks at five games. All in the fifth set. I've been listening to the radio coverage in the car. I didn't have enough four g. Left to get the video coverage in the goal. Because i've used up so much for g watching prime video in various culture and he says listening to it on the radio and walk through. The door greeted excitedly by billie. Jean walked through into the living room and found matt watching diego. Schwartzman against alexander molchan and schwartzman's two sets to love up and i was about to reject him from from the building from the podcast for all of our lives but it turns out it was a sits down and it was merely a brief droppin. I was stitched because Because now we did. We did immediately head back to alcatraz and sit to pass and we weren't disappointed by the remainder of the match norway disappointed by by any of the match up until that point. We had jim courier in the comic books for it and he is. He's a very measured. Voice isn't he. He's he's kind of seen it all he doesn't i don't think he's into over hyping players and he was all aboard the colors. Alcaraz train today. And how on earth i mean. New york is about the carlos alvarez train how on earth could you possibly not be onboard. And less you'll steph. No sits us and even he sounded a little bit on board. Yeah he said he's never seen anyone hit the ball as hard as alcatraz he. He was really stunned by what outcries produced today. And honestly so was i. I mean and you're the earliest of early alcatraz adopters. Do you know a great thing has happened. I now get tweeted. I now get added on twitter. When alcatraz does stuff. He sat only used to happen when mova lost. It now happens when our fraz does agree. It'll be happening in ten years time when he's when he's going for grand slam number twenty four you know. I hopes look. I have been a massive fan of alcatraz for while and i just didn't think he had this level in him yet. They seemed way better than anything he's produced before. And you know he's six three three of up in this match and as you say jim courrier cannot believe his eyes and to be fair to him. He's saying this is not sustainable. There is gonna come a time where there's gonna be a drop-off did it have mazzetti. Jovic two sets up retire for the fans. Feel about it. That is what mazzetti said if that retirement impressive to its did it for the fans. No because jackovitch wasn't there. I think when was that he was two sets up his problem was it was jackovich's down. The other end. Sits pass has been vulnerable in. This told him. And i think a little drop from alcatraz still gave him a chance to win the match but honestly in that first set was ripping for hands. He broke sits buses serve four times out of his first six service games. And that is something that really. I think separates him. You know if you look the dow. Mary jackovitch what they've got is an incredible return of serve. And i think alcatraz is is in that moles as apply. He's gonna create so many opportunities on other place serves in his career. Got a great return. His own servers. Massively improved has an in a very space time. Its biggest weapon. But it's no longer just get the ball in in court absolutely it's is added some pace to it. Thank you only hit two or three aces today. can he can definitely that But goodness he just played so well and he just has such a good sense of how to use his game. You know that. That is the thing that i think can take a lot of time. It can sometimes never come for a player to be honest and yet alcaraz seems to understand his game. The number of dropshots he he really key moments and just well-timed sense it to pass back and he was is the moment doesn't he senses exactly when to use the crowd at this is going to seem like a really fussell comparison. But he in moretti. Connie there are so many similarities to me in in that sense the way they connect with people that just six cents for cajun and shot selection and all sort of impalpable things about about tennis that that matters so much what greg would call it. What greg the school it. Yeah no absolutely and I think you know. I called it. A changing of the guards. Who's supposed to change the guard on twitter. I think there's something there's something about him doing this to sit to pass has been the guy you know. It feels a bit like when when actually no it fails bigger them. When sort of dimitrov started losing to those guys because by that point we would sort of figured out who demonstrated was sits pass swarm result sits passes still had a great season will do great things but just seem like alcatraz is a level up. Honestly he's eighteen and can do that mean he so so good and just feels really significant tonight him. I'm doing this can you back it up. He's he's he's got a fourth-round against old. You respect to peter goff chick who who again we're gonna fi beliefs say all respect but as any himself be henry laxton and to beat the full. Say you know there is the whole you know. But he's made it to the fourth round must being good form thing. We'll you know in terms of the plays plays he's beaten. It's nothing compared to to alcaraz. No indeed i think out. Carajas did have a bit of a leg issue towards the end of the match. She got some treatment after the fourth set which lost lost six love and he wasn't really pushing off on his serve and yet didn't seem to affect the rest of his play. A what he lost on his service seemed to gain on his groundstrokes. In that final sat he was still hitting the with such force after several hours on court. I think i think there's a physical recovery and then there's just backing up that moment and these elation of it oh you do sometime say a comedown and maybe you want another bake opponent. You know where you're not favor in that next match. She's suddenly going to be the favor. The very good point interesting to see how cope with it but he does seem pretty grounded. And he's got a very good attitude. I it's it's the lazy to an adult comparison. But how can you not. The aptitude wise does seem pretty similar. The the vibes with the team in the books are good as well aren't they. I mean my favorite energy of the day and this this was a hotly contested Competition one call forero proud for the vibes with with a very. Gee we i when call grassi. Gotta cross the line. I mean he's really taken cries unday's weighing has he's you crassus. Set up his academy and they've been together for quite a few years you know long term and he has totally yes just to say pay off today must be must be emotional for him and and he was a he was somebody that people consider declared corta. That had the second best result of his career at the us open on hardcourts. Reach reach world number-one didn't he by by reaching that final so Oh goodness as exciting. We need to not make it and this also applies so in radical anyway. Think they were all going to break this rule straightaway. We need to not make it about whether he wins the next match and what he ends up doing in this tournament because this is enough. He's done the thing he's made the statement. Yeah and yet we all desperately hope. And we'll be mega hyping. His prospects against peter check in the next round right then just as i think. The other notable aspect of this match was how much the crowd was on. Sit to pass his back. I mean really wasn't just positively towards across 'cause there was a lotta that they love with him but it was specifically negative towards set to pass. It was yeah. I mean there was not silence but very quiet when it surpassed one games It went over for fairly innocent chat with umpire one point and got booed. He went off court for one of his bathroom breaks and got booths a interestingly he was only gum for about three and a half minutes today for that both umbrella rather than the seven eight minutes that he's been averaging but this is a shift. I didn't see coming and has been very sutton with sit surpass i've worked pass on the road live arena against federer and the crowd have loved him. I've seen in wrote on garros and he's been adored. He's he's been a popular player with crowd. Sees this the power of andy murray. I think vanity. Mary hadn't done what he donkeys has. Put up the issue in in cincinnati and actually made a stronger allegation than andy murray evidence. He just didn't do it for comedy tweets about just as and he did it in the press conference. Yeah i suppose he did have a little word with the unpack during the match. But mary's mary was a lot more visible. It was added grand slam. It's gonna get more attention and it does seem like a from water gathered from jim. Jim courier today media coverage is really gained. Traction in the us he said. Look everyone in this crowd. Noise about lou gate But yet but i also think some of it is self inflicted from You know. I think he not done himself. A lobster fame. No and he said to me earlier. He's not gonna pull this back this situation with whereas medvedev member of self awareness. Yeah turned it round in that tournament and he'd won them over by the end of it that is lacking with uh it's yeah is a tricky one isn't it because on one hand he's clearly upset by and it hurts a young man in a you'd you'd be very hard of heart not to just feel general human sympathy for a young man being booed by thousands of people but on the other hand actions have consequences and and there behaviors within his control that that could affect and influence that reaction that he's that he's not paying any attention to will is unable to pay attention teasers survey tricky one with him and it will be interesting how this affects him going forward. That is one of one of the six six contenders dealt. With what case would you like to make next for much of the day of the tournament of the year. shall we go to highlight rebecca. This is too much jumping around the tool. It's note we'll go. We'll go with the wind. Takes us today. it's that kind of day. This was really good. Isn't it and this. This was actually the ultimate match. Which i felt like could only disappoint because i was reminded in my research bios it. The lost meeting was in dubai final last year and it was officially voted the match of twenty twenty twenty twenty ca tailed season with fewer contenders for that title. But it was seven. Six in the third one. by samantha. truly an epic and not just in terms of drama in terms of quality as well. Today's rematch could only disappoint. Even if it was a great match had to be good than that much right well. I think it might have been as good as that much sort of maybe at least close close for sure and i think it had a higher peak moment. Maybe the overall sustained excitement wasn't wasn't quite what that twenty twenty final hat. But i will remember the first set tiebreak from this match for a long long time Eighteen and a half minutes was it and That with ten set points in the tie-break hallett had seven and rebecca had three. It was just back and forth. I think you did. A tie-break of shakespearean proportions did definitely something that allen politicians would say but it came to me in the moment as i said. Today we go with a wind takes. There was just this. it's a to it's Been a string set. It been rebecca. Lead came back. We're back in a lead. Came back up. Serve for rebecca boat to take it to a tie tie-break and then the tiebreak was the same with this these shifts momentum and he didn't know who is going to win and the way they match up against each other so interesting especially now actually because laps really trying to be more and more aggressive and yet she's up against for bankin. Ah who you know. The term easy power. Just doesn't i mean it's the perfect description but it also doesn't doesn't fail enough. It's so easy easy. everything isn't it. Thoroughbred cannot easy she she just. She takes everything on the chin without it's different. It's different to push his sort of seeming perceived on bullishness. Sometimes it's more it's more yes more kavita. It's it's a serenity rather than a sort of detachment yes all all sort of languid images language but yet the serenity. That's the best word for. She's her energies just so calming even even as seventeen. All in auburn stressful tiebreaker the tournament. And then let as many different energy. She's that's why it works. Isn't it absolutely absolutely. I think it really really were concurrent. Medical time out. It was all just instinct to create to create an interesting match. I think. Rebecca we we saw lord of revolting close ups of never back in his feet than yellow over was commentating and i think i think she was actually about to eat something and decided not to on the basis of seeing those wise. I would say yeah. I mean she's a little bit of a close match problem. Rebecca she fails. She loves the very close one at random garros. Didn't she to patrick kane cover. And then i remember the olympics. Hal last two matches their semifinals and the bronze-medal match. She was the best player in both matches against bank chicks against fit selene and yet she didn't win and i thought time was the better player today. She she was up a break in the third set as you said front runner closing. She's got a few issues that but gosh it's nice to how that bannon it's such a shame. She had to miss three massive tournaments over the summer. But she said she's feeling much better and she's into the fourth-round at the us open for the first time in five years. Jesse said on the court three years and then In her press conference in her first answer she said. Actually it's five years. My brother just texted me told me that i got it. Wrong is definitely what brothers a full in my experience. Yeah i mean maybe it takes the pressure off having sort of a plastic still here on your thigh. Deny i mean it's interesting when there are there are situational parallels between smyrna halla. Pin gabby mcgreevey. Both of them have one french. Open and wimbledon tool of the cuff. It's that windy. Get both of them have won. A wimbledon title anna french open title and had decent results also at the australian open more. So how that space than margarita. But they've also by far had the least success grand slam wise at the. Us open for not necessarily all identical identical reasons. But i think there were a lot of parallels that they they usually come into the us open having expended most of their energy at some point earlier in the summer. And maybe they have the physical. Tennis energy have the mental energy to cope with new york. Whatever it might be but it feels different for both of them this year and definitely mcgrath that she just looks so mentally. Fresh agrippa man. It was a it was overall a great contest with other rank. I the third set sort of quality-wise maybe wasn't quite there through the so bits and bobs of the opening set. Which was there. Were some tough. After about forty minutes and it was to unite was a battle. It you know. Sort of a heavyweight wti clash with just both players refusing to give an inch you know. They've got quite similar games that both heavy hitters from the baseline and yeah. I think moog is so really fell fell apart in the second set she got broken multiple times but otherwise i thought it was a very good performance. Picking up on how she's done in the first round in the second. Hey she had a really tough draw and just as you say. There is a different energy about her in new york this year. I think she's really put pressure on herself in the past to to do well in new york. Because why shouldn't shea it. There's no reason why new yorker muga ruth. I should not walk. And i think she's just trusted where she is trusted. Her game trusted have preparation. She just seems very chilled and relaxed. I suppose and yet fresh and really paying off She now plays barbara creek chica. Yes plays they have split them actress this year old had to head Moog ruth won the dubai final in chica for one just a couple of weeks ago in cincinnati and mcgrath. That was interesting on on creek. She said i can feel the confidence in her shots in. Something has changed in quick since she won the french. Open and moog. Ruth has an opponent feels light. She can tell the difference you know just the way critique of hitting the bowl and she won very easily today she's one. I think twenty eight of last thirty one matches. Ps this is a us manger debut. Yeah she's failed to qualify number of times and making her main role debut and she's just breezed into the fourth round the transformation in less than a year really for hers song. We've said it before. Astonishing incidentally semester. How faces alina leaner in the next round physically. A one pretty handily against doric. Has it kina foreign too early. Those two epic battles they they do. Yeah i remember one in rome one in doha match. That shouldn't walk because That quite similar and you quite get that contrast to styles but it it really does work fit selena and actually on these slightly faster courts. I think i think it could even better we We've just had walkout until thrush more few minutes there to one on serve in the opening set naming a soccer against another eighteen old. Leyla leyla she's one of those plays where suddenly her middle name is Asni ronnie fernandez like bianca. Vanessa andretti and Holger vita scotus. What's it rune A courtroom there is another there was another night was like it would be like sort of seeing andris baron murray in the in the drawer this an anyway. Eighteen year old. Layla fernandez from canada is currently t went up. A name is the winner of this one takes on angelique kerber in the fourth round Because curb got the better of. And i'm going on the basis of david law commentary on the radio earlier that i was listening to in the call beat a pretty much top of her game. Sloan stevens today. And that is a fish and prospect. Anybody able to be you know. The narrative with stevens is all about how she plays all about whether she produces the best whether she turns out pushy turned up. Today david i think described her is just casually being brilliant in just casually knocking off sublime for hands won the opening set seven five and then six thousand six three the next two sets for which sound wise i think more one sided than they were very competitive. Matching kerber who. I continue to hear retirement rumors about just ridiculous. I mean she looks. She looks world-beating. Well she pretty much is. She's she's lost two matches. Since i think the french open and both of those were against nationality in the wimbledon semifinal and the cincinnati semi final. She won the tournament in bad bad. Homburg bad homburg turns out bad. Homburg was sort of the turning point of angela. We should have paid more attention to bad. Homberg i think is the moral of this story. The turning point of eventually curb is what was to be retirement here. If rooms it to be believed. I should say those aren't these aren't for many nailed on sources or anything but it's just one of those things that circulating around in the in the tennis atmosphere. Yeah it's it's an incredible transformation. It's just she's woken up. She comply like this. This is the actually cub that we should say And it's especially impressive considering the record she's had again stevens you know. Just as you say. Stevens it can be about her. She can beat kind of anyone when she's on but she especially beats actually curb she won. That last five matches been several years since curb. Got a win to drop the first set. And tha that make sure on. This is so impressive. I thought she broke down the stevens back end in the final sat she she she's targeted it and got some areas from it in a game is in such a place she. She slept at the betty. Jane king national tennis center the other night on the night of the on the night she was host to play all carolina colony yeah. She ended up playing yesterday. Delayed she She posted on instagram. A photo of her in the gym on a on a makeup bed that they got out for her she slept there. Played the war. This is starting to sound like it's the sort of thing that would reignite reenacted in the dramatization for a tv movie at some stage in the future or tennis live or is having football down with science starts having sweep down to a science because the better you sleep better you show on game. That's why nfl players rely on the sleep number. Three sixty smart bet senses their movement automatically adjust to keep them effortlessly comfortable and attracts vital. 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But for some reason he's never been quite as much in the in the conversation about that generation of plays as a some of the others mccain. Hasn't he hasn't had results. he's never really done anything. Big moss's level has. He won his first title earlier this year. At an event in singapore which was a big big moment for him i remember how pumped he was to win that even though it was one of these tournaments that didn't have a glittering failed and happened right after the australian open and was happening in the middle of the night time and we reported the result but hadn't paid any particular attention to it but i noted just how massive adele it seemed for for him and his career but yeah he has so much game. He's he's one of this new breed of tennis players. That's extremely tall but moves incredibly. Well this lightness on his feet and enables him to to run around his shots and hit hit. Just completely improbable. Forehands that incredible forehand into play on these courts. That four hundred services doing disting- massive massive damage. He's got good hands. He's not afraid to come to the net. He's just he's really good around player. Alexi brennan don evans came out completely pumped. Today radio show. I think it was the third point of the match that he pummeled a backhand at the throat of alexi popper in at close range. And i'm so sorry that david lohr is here to describe that for in a romney tinged accent because it deserves that with such a glorious moment to start that much. Isn't it a delicious scene-setter. Yes our whatsapp. Group was was alive when that happened. In fact i th. I think i got a message about it before. I'd seen it. You know i. I think occasionally the stream is a bit behind. David has hit. Send on that message. Immediate and alexi popper in. Return the favor a later. The fourth about three hours later and dan evans laughed off to ids. Insertive nodded his approval. Doing that which. I thought was a glorious reaction but i loved the thought. They had been stewing on it and looking for payback opportunity for three hours. It was the third point of the match. Yeah pauper one. The opening two sets the first. That was really competitive. Donovan's had had the break was leading. Four three and in and i think he had a run of six games in a row breaking consecutively and just really pumping up. The crowd just showed a real steel. In reese nece that that i'd never seen before. Unwritten continued that momentum into the second set. And goodness may done evans was just hanging tough hanging boys fingernails and he just he wanted this so he's reached he's reached one grand slam fourth round. And you just get the feeling with dinosaur hinted at it impress conferences. But he's disappointed by his grand slam result all big wine. And it's it's i think it's been massively on his mind. This yays beats and joke of it. She's got himself to a career. High ranking he ceded it slams. He's regularly featuring most tournaments but his grand slam results have been a big disappointment is best grand slam. Result was the sole fourth-round appearance at the australian. Open twenty seventeen pre bam. And i think that is significant. Because i i think it's sorta to set careers in his mind ready to you. Know he's a different guy to what he was back. Then and i. I just think this is massive for him and there was just a joke. Rich like defiance in that third set. I'm not letting this go. He said some. He said some tough drawers in various different places. Alexi popper and of said brilliant player but unseeded lexi popper into reach. The second week of islam is a decent draw. He's he sees twenty four. Th at the moment you could be facing never jovic in the third round is the twenty four seed. He was in. This was the moment he wasn't going to let it get taken away from him and But even with the he didn't away with it wasn't a there was no collapsing and folding from alexi peran he he had to have it wrenched from and there was a just the slightest psych from him in the deciding set tiebreaker. So just the slightest. Bit of all my god. Even that wasn't good enough. And it was quite a one-sided tie-break in the gave his such a contest just to real competitive. I think maybe it's an underrated aspect of dan evans. Actually his his fight. You know. I think when i immediately think dan evans. I think of his nice tennis and often nice tennis doesn't go with scrappy fighter. You know. I think it's it's of the mistake. That's that's been said about federal all the time you know that it will comes easy to him but federal supply with a lot of fight really and you and you see that sometimes but you always see it with dan evans and we saw it today and inspired set typewriter and he was just. It was just brilliant in that in that closing stage of that match And yeah just it feels like he's proved prove something to himself. Yeah because this cemeteries third round draw. At wimbledon ya not think alexi popper in is in a similar sort of place to sebastian quarter. You know a a young guy with big weapons but unseated evans. Maybe not the favourite but maybe giosto fifty fifty a maxi is a match. He would expect himself to win. I think that's important part. And he was really gutted with how he played against quarter wimbledon think called applied. Well but evans didn't quite have it that day and it looked like it was gonna be the similar sort of story today for him to turn that round is a massive dale. And yeah just as you say. The fact that he's now eat quotes his best runner the slam. The fact that that came pre band he he sees himself as a tennis player. A better person a better everything. So i'm sure that was nagging at him that his best ever result slam was actually the old version of himself so to do that today. Is is really really significant. And he now gets a at the second seeds danila medvedev who definitely did not play a deciding set tiebreak today love for and three against thirty five year old. Pablo andy hall say. The movement lives to fight another day. Done evans said He he he goes about playing playing medvedev in his co. entity of woods and he had this sort of give me a chance. Look about him but he said look a left. A he said. I'll i'll have to play like did not tie-break for three hours and then maybe all have the tiniest jones you know. He knows he knows what the tells us but he's easel taking to try and bay disrupt disruptors name. I think it's going to be fun even if it's one sided. I think it'll be fun. Yeah i it. It will be fun to watch. He will help bring who common medvedev and we love to say we do. I think medvedev have too much. But i wanna see it. We have data schwartzman against botticelli. Undesired shop he won't you about to say some things about win because last time if either of his either of us is going to it will be no. I didn't know the result. I knew three six six love six two six two if akande magnus that much is available to watch on replay on privaty matt. Should you wish as schwartzman beat alexander malkin in the Molchan malkin in the much very briefly absorbed in earliest three straight sets for him so schwartzman against van shop Outcries against gough check and it will be the final round of from that off. The draw is to opponents yet to be decided because we have roberta easter against felix. Zarrella seem currently in progress on louis armstrong. Stadium at all jared se. I think at the break in the first set. Last time i checked in jefferson rube. Love goodness knows what time they getting on court. Because the night sessions started late it is still on serve in the evenings. Soka fernandez and that's not going quickly. So yeah set lynn photographer. Jeffer- we live in in warnings. That will be very out of date by the time. The listening to this podcast news. Let's oh what else another submission well from from last night. You know i was getting Okay i was gonna. I was going to run three tomorrow schedule. On which carolina pushpa will feature. And then i was going to to ask you to explain why great professional presenter i shouldn't adapted so folks tomorrow's joel we still. David never makes you feel terrible. Disease comeback david come back right. Tamara shedule the authorised stadium starts at midday five k. Time with patrick. Evita against maria zachary. Yes please yes please. Then it's no jovic against kane issue corey. Yeah bless you. I look said at the start of the tournament. Anything can happen. Anything can happen even that love into the olympics. Yeah it was stock. The yes Yeah anything can happen. It's why we love sports do tune in finishing against jovic. No with nights at night session on the authorized stadium is ashkenazi against shoghi roaches. And then it's very against jack socor we roaches. I think she's lost about a at least four times already this this year. Oh yeah she. She kept drawing her at the start of the season of all the people to keep drawing. That's that's rough kids kind of side from that. She's had a really good season hasn't she. Yeah louis armstrong stadium tomorrow. I think this is where we'll be kicking off for all the matches available but this is where we kicking off our main channel coverage with banker and dressy against the lucky loser. Greet minin. she's into the third round of islam for the first time. Undress coincidentally Did win in straight-sets yesterday's we recorded. I think live on the podcast. And that was the first straight-sets win and more than three months. Can she score another one tomorrow. She's by belinda. Pensions against jessica. Gula that so yes please please. As is i think gamma fees against yanic center. Yes yes yes yes please. Night session. On armstrong louis harris against tanisha of all of. That could be interesting. He test chap valid. I think yeah. They played early the season. I think that was the third set. Tiebreak harris we we approaching the territory of looking at the most ever deciding set. Tiebreak said the us open. That's very out. I've been a law. I haven't then don't wanna jinx it. Is you know we want to see more of them. I i love deciding set. Tiebreak at do i particularly love a deciding set tiebreak to ten. Yes yes agree grown. I still love them and then very good shaver against anesthesia. Pitching versus lost stop on armstrong. Grandstand is elliott. Ev- ashgar off being talked about on the tennis podcast fame Against matteo bertini then. An concert against sean. That could be a yes. Please your I know a little bit worried about shintech as discussed yesterday and conserve a one in the land. Lost week didn't she. She's in great form. Cleveland matt cleveland. Sorry took me won't then prepares off. Matt it is currently the push against them. None of it Tell us much about how. Carolina applicable give your place in the third round. Well before today. This was the tournament by far Against amanda anisimov carrying a place of a one in a deciding set tiebreak saving a match point along the way and i think it was matched the tournament for its quality. It was just really high quality throughout that was it sort of reminded me of a venus williams patrick. Bits of a match wimbledon a few years ago just sort of first-strike tennis very few breaks of serve all the sets heading to us at a crucial moment right at the end and honestly it was so nice to see him. Amanda nissim overplaying. Well i feel like we need to caveat of this lovely analysis with the fact that you have a backhand fetish ado and an almost a bit weird about the amanda anisimov. He dreams about it. I mean it's unbelievable. It's a lovely and there was a moment In the third set the five or game anisimov serving which i think it's one of the holds of the tournament was under so much pressure and she saved a break point with a backhand down the line. Cannon esque lifted her arms aloft and it was punctuated by such great crowd. Noise really good atmosphere. I was worried. I was gonna wait you and billie jean in that moment but you know and i thought it was nice furnace over as well because she had that little break third indian wells. Didn't she three years ago now when she fits of. He's not really had a moment since then at home in the us and this was kind of the first one and she was brilliant. I mean really. She played a might be the best of seen anisimov over play. Certainly it's the best of seen since garo since one thousand nine hundred and she played so well as as did place scuba so nice to hear because my heart breaks for her story. Really and Leasing father just just just over a year ago was a year and a half ago. A company is it was a full the us and so So okay good. News overall from under as it sounds like a brilliant win currently prescription. She faces tomjanovich tomorrow. Then it specifies villi against a polka lost. Stop on the grand stein call. You've got caught number seventeen With andreas seppi. Holding up the ante movement against the oscar also of being beaten by andy murray at wimbledon fame. Then remember in a listener question special when someone else. This who the next as lanker at sev- kobe. Oh you girls is still in the draw. I know yeah. But oscar otter has come into our consciousness in the last couple of months hasni. And let's call andress epi for place in the fourth round a good drum So saribas tormo is next up against emma raji corny. Yes please. yes please michigan win. That i can't. I can't separate the hype from the reality. I'm on the train. i might be driving the train. I honest trying to separate head from her. I do think she could win. A really d- oh for sure she could. I think saribas tour is probably a hands down most improved player with again maybe but also would rival her. Those two spaniards been just really somehow seems more improbable for sorcery. Remis told me because she could gain the weapons on there. She seems to done it the same game. She hasn't developed any big weapons. Or yeah no totally it. She will test every aspect of radical on. You know i think When this incredible to the learning phase about radical new on we will learn a lot tomorrow because basically service to a doesn't play a match under two hours. She plays epoch. She has a sliced backhand which not that many players have. You know it's very shop. A knife i remember. She paid ashburn olympic. She took party out at the olympics. The winner of that would face the winner of bossy against shelby roaches. They may slightly ash balti- so look tormo is another level up from the managers radical economies this tournament. So fascinating i i would probably just lean saribas tormo. It's not ludicrous hyped. As radically given the level she's played surely ism last singles match. Tomorrow it will not not very chronologically. Lost lost on my list. Lost unqoute number. Seventeen is as long corrective against jensen. Brooke be who. We watched. Beat taylor fritz last night in just such a fun match. He's yeah he's great. I know i i. I was suited my instinctive. Steve bit sniffy about brooke speakers. He's such sort of the invoked player to be like. Oh you seen jensen brutally. He's fun isn't any but he is. Undeniably fun definitely. He's gotta a quirky game. You see the shots coming and silently all techniques slightly. Different anneke about him and yet and just as we were saying. Alcatraz baiting sits passes like a. You know it's sort of generational thing for expe- beating. Fritz fails of books being cooled of young americans who has sort of younger than fritz. And taff oh you know that. That new american and probably As well you know that kind of coming now Well look if if tomorrow is half is good is today. We're in for tree. And i yeah promises a lot. It promises to be pretty similar today. Hopefully your soccer is we. Wrap up is Leading six thirty love. It looks like leyla brackets. Any fernandez is giving her a good game. The crowd pretty absorbed an incident in the crowds seem to be increasing. The tournament goes on it. It felt really full for for the algebra sits pass match perhaps not right up at the top but beyond the atmosphere is only growing which is a really wonderful to seize a name. Soccer is assess. 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Agent Max Eisenbud on the Current State of Tennis

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56:56 min | 1 year ago

Agent Max Eisenbud on the Current State of Tennis

"Everyone John Worth. I'm here is sports. Illustrated tennis podcast. Our guest this week is a return guest about Eight weeks ago. Pre Corona though spoke with Max is in Bud head of tennis division agent for players including Maria Sharapova in Lena heavy hitter in tennis This got a lot of really nice feedback. People appreciated maxes inside some of this war stories and we said we would do it again. And who knew the heart you would Not much later but in very different era in the corona era. So we speak a bit about what tennis is going through these days. Oiler Max is not optimistic about tennis returning in the near future. He is optimistic though about tennis long-term and especially this much-discussed merger possibility this Combo between the ATP and wgn tours so here is a An interesting conversation with a guest we had on just a few weeks ago. This is this too but in a very different time Here's Max. It was about eight weeks ago that we spoke and people were very happy to have to avert for me. We got nice reviews on this podcast but it was. It seemed like about eight years ago. It was a different era. We've had no ten a since the eve of Indian Wells obviously in deter harder believe. That was hard to believe at the time that was a controversial decision. I mean give give us from where your perspective I mean. What's away the land? What are you seeing out there? In terms of tennis pretty humbling experience. I guess we live in this amazing world tennis a little bubble that we travel the world to see these amazing cities I think you know I've been in this business twenty years now and. I think you know you take for granted how specialists to be able to go to Paris in Indian Wells and onto Wimbledon and just that whole so for me personally. It's been a pretty. You know I opener of just how you know the fact. I'm not getting ready to take about heading to Europe now and all. Those kind of things is pretty humbling and also allows you to really appreciate you know how lucky we are to be in this in this tennis world. So I think that's the first thing that's happened to me personally But as a client manager as agent as a marketer really you're focused turns into your clients and Ferraro said at IMG in ill me running the tennis clients division having you know maybe a hundred and twenty clients between pros and juniors and legends You know the most important thing for us was information And we set that up really fast. Were we were having daily calls with all the agents said getting information I put a couple might executives In responsible for for one person was in charge of all information from the W. T. A. Another person was in charge of all information from the P on another person from the IT Athens and just gathering information as things was just moving so fast and so much hearsay on just trying to gather information and then and trying to educate our clients in real time because a lot of our clients were stuck in the United States. Said no do I go home In my waiting for Miami. Are things going to close down so it was in? There's no blueprint for this and we just try to Try to do is best for our clients to just get information in really proud of the team that we're able to get that information and and try to make some good decisions for our clients and that's really the most important thing in continues every day is just not about doing the you know. The huge Nike deals in generating money. But it's it's here managing the client's life and their career show. That's kind of how we were doing it and continue to do it. ended up. But it's been crazy. What are you seeing? Obviously you know pl- players play and you and I can do our jobs. Maybe not the same jobs we were doing. But you know we we can still take zoom calls and work from home that professional athlete. That's not an option. I mean what are you seeing with your clients and what are the biggest challenges apart from the obvious one of not playing and not having prize money as an income source? Where what else are you hearing? There's two phase right the first the first week or two weeks. Maybe it was three. It's hard to tell us everything Is One long day. You didn't realize how long this was going to be when we're going to get back out there once the next tournament. Is it going to be three weeks? Four weeks and then so that there was a lot of anxiety in that time. Also people were still trying to figure out where to go. Should we trained? Should we not train and then came to the point where everybody knew? Okay this is going to be the long haul and we need to get home to our families or we get some That's safe and and where we can potentially train so now we're in that second phase and I think of you know were my going. What am I gonNA do is kind of worn off now? I think everybody sees what's happening. Obviously Indian Wells became a very good decision And then the tournaments wants Miami. That just kind of domino happened so I think now you're in. The phase of clients are getting antsy. Clients are getting bored. clients don't know how hard to practice. Should we practice three times a week? there was a while work. Clients couldn't find coach but eventually found private courts. Aren't think it's safe to say that. Everybody found a court somewhere somehow. If they wanted it I find it hard to believe that someone couldn't find a private court somewhere so I think now is the balance of you know there is no finish line. We don't know when the next tournament is So I think you know most of our clients that I hear are playing every other day or every day for short amount of time just to keep muscle memory. Keep the muscles going technique and then are doing some sort of gym work As it gets kinda phase right now and I think you know a lot of people are starting think that there's probably not going to be tennis in two thousand twenty really really and trying to wrap their heads around that obviously the US Open wants to figure out a way to stage. It's then the French Open we know is desperate to stage. It's of it. They moved to October. Do you think we get tennis again. In Two thousand twenty. I'm I'm GonNa give you my honest opinion. I really hope that I'm wrong. I'm wrong often. I hope I'm wrong again. But you know it's really for me to see tennis On toward the rest of this year to be quite honest. It's hard for me to imagine us without a vaccine really I I. It's hard for me to imagine in a four hundred players from eighty different countries in a landing in city. Getting Getting Ready to compete. I just I mean I really hope I'm wrong But just as hard for me to see it scary. Have you heard? I suspect you've heard some of the same creative solutions that I have. Maybe we don't have doubles. Maybe we don't have mixed doubles. Maybe if they're no fans we can use all of the grounds. I even heard that the US Open. If they're no fans of players could each us one of the Corporate Suites Locker Room? You burn skeptical of these creative solutions or there's some ways around some of this just I mean one thing is all. The tours have done amazing job. I gotTa Tell You. The leader tips specially on the tour big believer in in those two guys in everybody pulling in the same direction minus the French Open but really the sports really pulled in the same direction. And I've seen so much war and dedication of of of trying to salvage the year and tournaments moving into later dates and I've seen it all has seen it on paper and it looks amazing and if we do get that window the players in the tennis fans are going to be really surprised pleasantly surprised at how much work towards done as plan you know. Abcd I don't think we get their men and and I and I hope I'm wrong. I just it's just you know I I saw the other day. Where a country like Argentina's closing the borders in and out until September. So how do you have a players that are in Argentina? The US Open start. You know how does that happen? I just don't see it. I mean it's it's funny. Because in some ways tennis is so poorly positioned being such a global sport in another ways. You got two people on opposite sides of net. At least. You've got the social distancing during competition part. At least you've got that down. I want to ask you some more because I think last time we talked. You had some really interesting insights about sort of inside aging that people don't always think about that. I thought was really interesting. Was when you get to the semis of a major various sponsors and the tour already starting to strategize about what it would look like when you win and you're trying to shield your client than they've got to win two more matches but you've also don't. WanNa get caught flat-footed so I've I've got a couple more. I want to ask you about one of them is fashioned and when Maria Sharapova shows up with a new Nike dress to her night's session the US Open. What's The backstory there? I mean what what goes on to make that happen. A good question on Nike works eighteen months in advance. So when you win any dress if let's say we using the US Open. This started that starts. Eighteen months in advance and Maria has her own line. Harlan collection that she wears and then she has about six of us. She she used to wear. She's retired Let's go so So she used to Have six or seven girls young up and coming girls that would also wear collection? Which is pretty unique So Maria would work with the designers. There would be a A head designer that was in charge of the Maria Sharapova collection and Maria would start eighteen months in advance so Maria. Would she do a lot of tarrant to you? Know in fashion magazines. She would tear the ages of dresses for inspiration so she might see address. That's on the runway somewhere. She tears it and she does a little sketching to our sketching extra pretty good but she never would let anyone see it so a combination of the of the terrorist Some sketching And then she would sit down with the Nike designers and be like okay. Can we bring this to the to the court and a lot of times? There would be no chance or a lot of times you would be yes we can bring that to. The corporate would cost seven hundred and fifty dollars. Nobody's GonNa buy dress so also you know what talents you know. The Color Palette said Nike's working with Nike people don't understand but if you notice that the pallets tennis players are wearing the three or four color scheme is usually the same color scheme that their basketball soccer all. Their sports are so you to design in kind of a color scheme as well so that process starts eighteen months in advance and she will probably see state between ten to fifteen different versions of the dress. before it gets And then she has played tested to make sure the sweat and she can do all the different things. So it's a major Major Hall for all that kind of stuff and Yeah so and then the PR and the promotion around it and when she's going to debut it and how she's going to debut at. I mean amount emails about how she's going to debut the dress. Is She doing it? The Thursday before the Grand Slam on a PR event. Is She not doing any just showing up on the court with it? Sometimes they would do dresses like the nitrous that she would do. A collaboration with a designer. And then those dresses just they can't make them for the masses so only had was made and it was a marketing. Play right. Then you'd get a lot of fans ever upset that they can't get the dress but it just it just doesn't work you know there's a lot of back and forth a lot of conversation a lot of dialogue and it's the reason why. Nike's the best they just you know. They just capitalize on those moments. So well what about the players? That aren't Maria Sharapova. How does it work for player acts? Who's might have deal with Nike? Are they are they essentially sold? Listen here here's what we're rolling out for the French Open. You gotTa wear this. Is there any sort of input? Nisar any right of refusal Okay so a player like Madison Keys. Whose good example. Yeah Yeah Madison. So what they would nike usually has this is as reliance And then Sharapova Line has a fourth line and then the players would all be a broken down into those three lines so let's say I don't know what they call it. But whatever they call three lines keys and seven or eight other players are always in that line and coveted the and seven or eight hundred pleasure in that line so they pretty much stay in that same that same line all the time and there's usually not too much flexibility. Let me ask you this you you said last time that you started out. I think Matt Mack Mirny was an early client of yours How did you end up switching so the majority of your clients are female? What challenges are there with that in what in your personality? What in your personality should've had you make that choice. It all came from Maria to be honest with you Reopened up doors Maria Her success gum brought me a little probably a lot of power control on the WJ tour. My relationships were there knew the gain new the scheduling and so I think Maria is the one who opened up a lot of the opportunities. I mean not. I signed Madison Keys when she's twelve years old. Because I managed Maria Sharapova. How different is it? Managing female players versus managing male players. I mean obviously there's some difference of the you know of the emotion and everything but you know there's no cookie cutter. You know the way. The things I've managed is different than Li not different to madison manage. Jack Sock Everything everybody's different You know there's obviously You know the guys take losses a little better than the women. Just the normal stuff you would save difference between a male and a female but at the end of the day. I I consider myself a marketer Emma brand builder and that's what I liked doing the and you know and if that's a male tennis player female tennis player or you know candidate you know I just I love that part of the business and I don't think that sees male or female when you're on your marketing building a brand you Jordan documentary. I have Purposely. Waiting So I can binge watch it man. I'M GONNA play play spoiler for one little part. Okay that Jordan is with David. Faulk it pro serve and they talked to Nike. And how are we going to build a brand around this guy? And they say you're trying to make this guy a tennis player and sure enough proserve had represented Dr Arthur Ashe Stan Smith and to ever else in clearly the template from Donald Dell and David Faulk was a tennis player was sort of a a tennis player. Template do you see yourself taking these skills from Berea in Madison keys and these experience with international athletes? Why are why? Why not do this for basketball players? Why why are you restricting yourself to tennis? I mean I tried to dabble a little bit with some other sports. I mean first of all. I played tennis at went to college on a tennis scholarship. I love the sport. I played the sport And the one thing I love about tennis especially when you have your star players you know. Eighty percent of their income is off the court and a basketball player or football player. Eighty percent of their income is on the on the field right. So the agent in those other team sports. I mean okay take you know. I Know Lebron. Those other guys have a lot of businesses going on but for the most part the ratio of on the court and off the court is really the agent job in the ones that the agent has a lot of control An influence in how. You're building a brand in the decision making in tennis. I like that and I've been lucky enough to work with some some players that have really trusted me in a really put their awkward stuff in my hands and said listen. I'm going to focus. You know on the court and I really want to focus off the court and yes. I'll make the final decisions but I'm GonNa Trust the path that you're on. That's been very attractive. And I've been very lucky. Not all agents have that And in our sport you can see the players. Don't have great agents around them right. It's glaring how often loan you can see it. I mean in simple stuff. I mean it surprises me. How many really good players in this day of age have really bad? Social media like social media is as important as your forehand and your serve. I mean and you've got a if you WANNA have deals if you WANNA have relationships if you wanna so just little things like that is just. It's hard it's hard to say. This is making the call a podcast about how we make impossible choices. Each week. 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I've been managing since she's thirteen or fourteen years old. She's fifty in the world. I just have such Jimmy. She's like part of my family. You know I could never She'll probably fire me tomorrow but I can never. I could never see me. Not Working with her in o e n trying to set up for her life after tennis getting are different things and you know last year. We moved there from Nike to K. Swiss and and and because tourism revenue opportunities there okay. These deals warrants huge. But I was so proud so happy To make these deals for her And I think she's got a chance to you know she should be ranked much higher and she's very marketable but I don't know I don't put like a try when I signed the players. I WANNA manage them for life and I want to get her through tennis in and into other opportunities and you know I care about her and worked for her As much as I do from Maria Lena and I don't know whether agents do it but for me You know have a young client. Amelia Arango from from Columbia cheese. I signed her when she was thirteen or fourteen so much so much flair Tissa Greek girl had hip surgery struggling. Maybe she's four or five hundred in the world but she's like She's part of my family and I worked for her and I try to do things for her but for me when I signed a player as really genuine like I'm signing the player because I really believe in them I really believe in their character their marketability and if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen but I'm not gonNA never go to a client. It'd be like listen. I'm sorry I thought you were going to be twenty in the world. You know if they're three or four hundred in the world is not much you can do for them but you can help them. My Office is still helping them get tournaments helping them. Do this helping them with their funding. Helping them get their rackets show you know. So one call on the call doing a multimillion dollar deal for. Lena on the next call you know. I'm trying to Beg Nike To. Please keep giving free products on my client. And you're okay with that. Yeah Yeah I am one more question. It seems like the the big off season news apart from weather. Tennis will continue on what it will look like. Is this idea that Roger Federer didn't necessarily come up with but he floated and gave some credibility to about combining tours. What do you think of that proposal? Could it work? Do you want it to work is a good question? I mean I mean listen. I've made my my living in women's tennis and and I want always want what's good for women's tennis but let me back up and say this. I think the most interesting and the best thing happened to tennis in a long time is the to new hires at the ATP tour and Andrei and and Maasim. Oh I'm privy to a lot of their plans and I think a lot of this conversation is because of those two guys vision for the eighteen and the wj to do more together. And that's were. I think a lot of this is coming from as their vision. Would what do you think their motivation is there? Only motivation is to make tennis better. And finally we have to savvy guys who have a real plan. Women had that in a long time not a free to lose their jobs. Haven't had that in a long time right and I think these two guys are GonNa do some amazing things For Sport that we've needed so I think they are the two that have started this conversation because they've come in and said a word to start doing some more stuff with the wind And I don't know I haven't heard that. Atp A longtime now do. I think that those two mean. Let's join tours. I don't think so maybe not now for the short term but I think what they mean is let's try to pull our TV rights. Let's try to pull some marketing. Let's try to have some more bigger combined events. Let's let's make it easier for the tennis world to watch our sport. Let's stop being so fragmented. Let's stop being so selfish So for the first time in a long time you have these two guys on the men's side who are saying these things it's never. I mean my twenty years. I can't remember anybody at the. Atp saying those things maybe. The timing was right that the people were ready to do that. Maybe they trust these guys that they actually came with a real plan but they're really smart And I think the story those two guys of the story for tennis right now and the two guys said everybody should be watching and I think that if I think that if everybody in our tennis world including the people that were the I n. g. hats and the people that were the octagon hats. All these everyone can just try to become a little uncomfortable a little uncomfortable and follow these guys. I think we can get our sport to place that it hasn't been in a while. I'm really awesome. I've worked with Nike and Wilson. Him Know How it works. Just a really smart smart guy and you tell. Let's be clear. You're talking about cavalry. And Dan z the two news chief executive. Men's tennis right yes. I think those two guys are the story and again if everyone can just get a little uncomfortable and try to follow these guys leads. I think that I think tennis is GonNa Kaiser chance and if that ends in five years at the two tours put together. Now it'd be great. Is I think people think that that's going to happen. Come I'm reading. Some of this stuff is not happening tomorrow. Okay but but let's just be happy that we have two guys leadership that understand the value of the women's tennis and understand how fragmented our sport is and understand that if we're gonNA just keep going down the same path of Oh. I WANNA make changes but don't touch my tournament much money. I think we've got something special needs to guys That can you know can really help our sport and And and respect what's happening on the women's side. I like right. You depress me with your speculation. There's no tennis until there's a vaccine but you've given me some uplift with the prospect of two tours combining for the betterment of the sport that's a good good good place to end it for two things to think about that. I said I'm usually wrong. So maybe I'll continue my streak so we'll have. We'll have tattoos July and men's and women's. We'll be fighting. This was great this again we We did this like totally different era two months ago when people really responded to it so I was glad we were able to Pick this up. I wish wish the circumstances were better but this was a pleasure John. Anytime all right. Thanks take care of yourself all right. Thanks TO OUR GUESTS. Maxine Bud for coming on for partout of our discussion good of him to spend some time with us and we also have a special treat. Jamie Lee Santi is back Jamie Nice to nice to connect with you again. It's been a while it has been a while we have still no studio. We still cannot sit across each other at the table. But I'm here and I'm excited to be here. We are excited to to talk again. We'll deal with skype and zoom if we have to it will be nice to reconnect and prison. How I how how are you? Are you experiencing this house Are you handling this? I'm hanging in like everyone you know there's Been a lot to do here at SL. Even though we don't have sports but I'm doing all right. I am staying home grocery store every ten days. I actually hurt my back so I've been trying to beyond men there but thank God. I'm sorry to hear that it is It is funny. How there are no sports and yet in a lot of ways. Our jobs are as busy as ever but I think we're all wrong for a variety of reasons we're all looking forward to To Games resuming. Let me let me ask you. You are You're much younger than I am. You still have time to make a career shift. Would you like to be a tennis agent to the hearing Max make you rethink your vocational choices? He is very candid about the process and thought it was interesting. How he shed some light on your questions or great. He shed some light on. How the dresses for Charipova? Or for Maxine keys. You know things like that are kind of just interesting to hear the back story. I mean it's a lot of business. Speak and and things like that but it certainly interesting to just hear how that comes together and how much time that takes to come together He does have a very interesting job. I respect. That he thinks intrigues his his clients like family. But one thing you know that I thought was interesting. That he said was his one comment about social media nowadays being as important as your forehand and your serve when you asked him about what makes agents better than others or you know what would tennis players don't have the expertise and they're not part of their lives and so I thought that was interesting just because I still think that athletes don't understand that in in many ways you know there are still people who use it just as a carefree outlet and I think Especially even in my life professionally. I've just seen how How much it really needs to be a reflection of you that you would like to present even in your workplace You know as as sad as unfortunate as that maybe so I thought that was an interesting comment firm. You know it's funny. I was struck by that too and it also strikes me that the one thing I never understand about social media is is the risk reward ratio that if I tweet something out and it gets you know thousands of re tweets you get a little chemical rush but I. I don't get a dime out of that. It's not really worth much to me. I naturally if I tweet something objectionable in in theory I could lose my job so as as a risk reward proposition for most of us. I'm not sure social media pans out so well on the other hand. If you are Maria Sharapova. It's much different. I mean they're they're real. This could be a real revenue source to Jeannie Bouchard is sort of the the classic example of someone who makes a lot of money because she's winning tennis matches but because she has this social media following presents and in personality so apart from I hate this word brand extension but I think there are examples in tennis where media for player is dollars and cents and it can be a real source of income. Which means that. If you don't do well you know. It took Roger Federer years and years to get on social media himself now he seems to enjoy it. But also you know in some ways you are depriving yourself of income if you ignored or neglect social media as a professional athlete. So interesting too I think. Cristiano Renaldo is someone who totally exemplifies that I mean. I'm pretty sure I think I read something in. This was something I wanted to just look into. Generally you reportedly makes more money for you know post on instagram. That he does playing soccer hate instagram. Post him literally pooh-poohed on the table more than what he is so gifted at you know in his sport it's just incredible that An athlete can do that. And to your point I mean the Genie Bouchard is a great one. It's an amazing differentiator that athletes from years ago. Just didn't have to deal with and now it's. It's almost no question that if you if you don't have a twitter it's like y you almost have to like have a stance right or or use it as just be a lurker but I mean you know I. I still think people like us. I just see a lot of people diminishing themselves or having to apologize or wasting bandwidth getting into a twitter feud and I'm sort of thinking why but it's much different if you are If you're an athlete think I fact check this but even like Jerry Cheer Cheer Jamie yes I did actually. After on it I went and I watched higher paying N. Tier just so that we could talk about it. We go ozark for the TRIFECTA. Now that's one. That's an excellent. That's an excellent Michael Jordan to give given but no I. I was GONNA say that he'll jerry from cheer. I saw recently makes you know fifteen hundred dollars per sponsored post so It it's not just Roger Federer and Christian Aldo Rinaldo. But let me Let me ask you something else. Just sort of about where you are with Tennessee's days and there is You know I I think tennison very strange position. Where on the one? Hand the active hitting a tennis ball over a net when you are you know twenty yards away from the opponent is in keeping with social distancing and yet. It's pretty obvious. Tennis has some real challenges about reconvening A lot of different discussions a lot of proposals on the table. Wimbledon said. We're out the French Open to the. Us Open have been a little bit more stubborn. Of course they do not have the benefit of you know the nine figure insurance policy that the All England Club has but what. Where are you on tennis returning? And what struck you about a lot of these discussions that are going on yesterday just yesterday? The twenty twenty one Australian Open said that it could be impacted by the pandemic Craig. Tyler said that said that yesterday so I am sort of with what Mack said that. Unfortunately I don't know if it's possible without a vaccine without some sort of I think it's possible but there will be so many differences that will be hard to consider a grand slam in the same way You know have the same way. Should it be worth this amount of points? Should people make the same money? If all of those factors that make a Grand Slam so grand you know for her lack of a better word. Aren't there the idea of doubles and mixed doubles in. All the other stuff that happens besides just the one hundred twenty eight players in the main draw that the fans and the the way that you know the players that attend that. I mean if you know like you guys are talking about with Max if players from Argentina or players from the US or from certain countries aren't allowed to attend all of a sudden. Now you're not opening it up to all the best players in the world right. So how can you say that that French Open title or that open title is just as validated as a title from a previous year where it was open to everyone at any? You know the best of the best competed and they. They found a winner that way. I just think it's going to be really difficult. Given how many people are involved and how many people attend tennis match? I mean you've been to the US. Open I've been to the. Us Open Social. Insane is not possible with the amount of fans and people workers that happen there. I know that you had different different scenarios for the US Open that you know outlined your mailbag but do you think that the Stan lists you know no no audience. Tennis IS IS A REAL OPTION. Here. I think it beats the alternative and I think whether it's wwe or UFC or you know. Korean baseball we are. We're sort of getting a glimpse that it's it's possible. I mean it's different. It's not ideal. The athletes themselves. I I was joking. Who are you pumping your fist to? If there's no I but I would let me ask you this. Would you know keep monologue boat? Would you go to? Would you go to a sporting event right now would you go to the US? If I gave us tickets would you go to the US? Open if it were held. Now I don't think so. The same goes for what I get on a train. I have go to the office. You know right. Would you go to the movies? We I mean I think it's going to be a long time before people are comfortable. I mean I think some of this just simple economics right I mean the ESPN plays eight pays eighty million plus for us open broadcast rights. Even without trying to get a reduction which I think is a very real possibility prize. Money is about whatever it is fifty five million roughly sixty million dollars so espn alone without sponsorship without talking about Euros for without any tennis channel without anything else. Espn's already covered your prize money. So I think from dollars in stents toyed even if you don't make a dime and ticket revenue this year you'll still make a little bit prophet. If you figure out a way to hold the event I think the the question is how do you do this with an international sport? I think this issue that you raised about if the US Open really open in Argentina's saying you can't come. You can't leave the country and Diego Schwartzman and Dapo to play. I don't know if players are going to have to come here and Quarantine I I mean. There are a lot of That was something that Craig Kylian mentioned too I? He's worst case. Scenario is there's no 2021 Australian Open but we've sort of identified this as four different scenarios. It did seem like the most lead. I had an someone attacks in me saying this as well. It seems like the most likely one right now in mid may no eight months away is that there is an Australian Open. The players have to quarantine before playing which is a strange and be. I don't know what that does for the COP that this year preceded the Australian Open but also the fans are only allowed to come if they are from either Melbourne or Victoria. The state and basically you're international event is not open to international fans. It's all very strange. I'll tell you the I'll tell you. The strangest straightest one. I've heard so far is that there's real concern over the locker room. Even if you don't have fans in the stands how do you have? I met Max may disappoint as well. How do you have players from scores of countries with their own? You know with everyone's got a team and even if there no doubles players mixed doubles legends. Junior's you still have hundreds and hundreds of people milling around from all over the world. One thing I had heard is if you don't have fans you have access to the entire grounds of the US Open. It may be that there could be dozens and dozens of locker rooms. You could use corporate suites as locker rooms. You could use you know the catering facilities as places where players could change in. Basically what you would have is you know. Dozens and dozens of dozens of players scattered all over the ground with different changing areas in different locker rooms to avoid hundreds of people in one space. So I mean again. I think this is We've all gotten nimble right. I mean this is you and I doing a podcast over zoom and this is where I am right now in Connecticut. There's a distillery that stopped making alcohol and they're now making hand sanitizer. Everyone has at some level had to improvise. But boy. I think tennis has a as a tall order here. It's it's really going to be tough and not closed doors scenario. Just you know again like you say the locker rooms. The bathrooms were the players eat. Where are they going to practice? I mean there are so many things that you and I you know. Obviously remote working now is is the new norm. Right as you say were on this. Zoom call now So obviously a lot of companies are probably reconsidering their Manhattan offices or their San Francisco offices. Because everyone's doing business as usual Remotely so I think you know all of our lives are going to change on the other side of this and tennis will be the same but it's a much more difficult scenario than just saying. Oh you can you know. You can now work from home three days a week. Because we've proven right. I mean this is. This is a competition. This is You know there are people who have jobs that are solely to organize an event that they might not be needed anymore. I mean taking temperatures before matches There's just so many things you know. We think about blowing the candles on a birthday cake. You know I saw something on social media today that like Oh we. We used to eat cake after somebody wish you know and it's like there's just so many small things like that that are not going to be the same anymore you know. I don't know how many people will be eating birthday cake after somebody made their wish. Knin don't know I don't know how many people are going to a WanNa go as Fangio an event and as a player. How much are you willing to risk? And I think then we start Really again it's it's it brings the level of a Grand Slam tournament or any tournament down. When you know you have some players you just say I don't feel comfortable you or I'm a high risk. I'm I'm more at risk here and I just I. It's just such a complicated situation. I'll tell you one in the spirit of blowing a birthday cake and eating it which now that you say it. It's really disgusting John Oliver had a riff about alway. Which is the same way. We're all gonna like sticker strangers going to stick their fingers in these balls at the other. One I think in Tennessee is a mercer. Believe that I think we should all celebrate as a casualty is the ball kid. Picking up the not so sweat so towel or if you've seen now I mean they're not. Even the players are playing these exhibition matches and they're tapping rackets or not even shaking hands. I think the the ball boy has talboys is Thankfully GonNa be relegated. I the other thing too that I think is something. That's a little distasteful but we all need to talk about is just the visuals of this and the Louisa. Thomas wrote that the National Tennis Center is like two miles from this Elmer's hospital. It's basically ground zero four CORONA VIRUS. Where you have these refrigerated trucks that are hauling out. The deceased bodies. It's a little strange Labor Day weekend to be two miles away from that amid all this devastation as economic ruin in sit there and a corporate sweet you know drinking one of the the honeydew and eating your lobster all I mean I think that the the sensitivity stand so it's sort of like the the post for Corona version of the spring break in Daytona. I mean be the guy in a corporate suite two miles away from where they're still hauling out dead. I mean it's it's I I. I think there's an optics. Pr Component to this that Probably needs to be considered to. We'll talk about all these changes but the biggest one got has been getting some. I guess serious consideration maybe not for implementation you know this year or next year but the re the merger of Wgn tours you you wrote about this a little bit and it's been a hot topic but realistic unrealistic. Max also mentioned it on this todd. Do you do feel like it's something that will get some consideration going forward now that we might have this wrong long layoff from tennis. I think it's all about terms and conditions and it makes all the sense in the world and this is something you know Billie. Jean King floated this decades ago. I think tennis is on a strongest. Not just as a as a product. Not just sort of Spiritually but in the marketplace when it goes to networks when it goes to sponsors when it's men and women and I think it's no secret that the biggest advance in the best events in the most accessible events are mixed gendered. I think it's great when. Hey Nidal one and a blowout but luckily we can go to court. Six Coca. Golf is playing Naomi Issac which wouldn't be on court six but I think it's a great hedge when you have matches that don't saying and sometimes you have matches the do. I think it's a nice sign. The tennis can accommodate men and women at brings in a bigger variety of fans. I mean they're all going for it the hitch and all this is that the ATP and the W. A. R. Two different businesses right now with two different valuations in the market. And the big question. Is You know somebody somebody wrote to me. They said that I'm a merger is never a merger that to law firms come together in one of them brings more business than the other and they have to figure out how to how to distribute the partner equity. I think it's all about what this is GonNa look like and Depaix pay equal prize money. If the men bring in fewer sponsorships do they get equal pay and vice versa. I think a lot of this sort of depends on concessions that are willing to be made inevitably. Some people won't be happy but I think if you just hammer home this message that one plus one is three in that whatever nichols you might be giving up because you can prove that you're sponsorships are more valuable if you could convince those people that hey look. We're all GONNA benefit much more from this union than leaving a couple of shackles on the table for For have equal pay. I think that's really critical so I am into short answer is I think it's great. I think it was a lot of potential there but I think it's going to take some some creative dealmaking. Let me let me ask you one thing. I was thinking about this and I wanted to ask you especially as a as a d. one soccer player have. Have you been following this lawsuit with the Women's national team in us? Soccer and of course thoughts on the summary Judgment last week in all. I'm I'm telling you to make a broader point but did I don't know what what did you. What did you think what you experience when you heard about? This decision in In California Central District Appeal Appeal Appeal. Those are those are the first thoughts I mean. It's just concerning honestly on all parts in the fact that these women are going to keep fighting is just really great and I think that people have you know people not in. The sport have really shown that they're going to support that fight. So wasn't happy about it to say the least. Yeah and I thought I mean I. I'm with you and I thought about this through the Lens of as I often do through the Lens of tennis. Which is there are real. Pr Consequences to some of these decisions being made and if this merger would happen but you had a situation like this where women were demonstrably paid less and paid under market value and eat even made a deal negotiated a deal later. They would come to regret even if that was done. In the spirit of collective bargaining there are real PR consequences to screwing this up. And so when Roger Federer tweets out and Rafa follows and a number of other players and Patrick applauds. I think that's great. I think this makes a lot of sense. I think it's a really good time pretended to consider this but I think people need to remember that getting this wrong as we're seeing with women's soccer getting this wrong has some real consequences in the marketplace so I just I would sort of It's it's easy easy to send a tweet. And then send a re tweet. And I'm glad that that Billie Jean King is is getting the credit. You deserve here but this thing really needs to be handled sensibly delicately and in a way that makes people happy because if this thing goes sideways as we're seeing in soccer it's really really bad. Look so that's my. That's my sort of hopeful optimism slash caveat on this issue for sure. Yeah I think that makes a lot of sense. I mean there's just so many different factors of that I mean we could we could have a whole nother podcast just about the US from actual team and and that whole legal process in total catastrophe that everything happened but I agree I think that you know the as Max said the merging of the tours or even the explicit details of that Aren't is not something that's going to come tomorrow or even next year it. It's going to take some time but the fact that people are entertaining. I you know I think people are doing a lot of different things. Now is a little bit more time of time on their hands to reflect. And you know. Look at the bigger picture of things and Hopefully that's beneficial for tennis. And that's why I was thinking with Max to I mean right now it's a given. I mean I always say no. Nobody says I love the Williams sisters. But who's that guy from Spain? Who is the lefty? Who's really good on clay? Nobody says oh. I love Roger Federer and who were those sisters from Feel from southern California. Who won all the majors? I mean fans like men and women's tennis fans follow men and women's tennis is a big deal when it happened in the NBA. In in baseball. Well you know what we have females as chair umpires for men's matches and vice versa. It goes on without a peep. We even have agents at represent players on the men's tour and the women's tennis is so integrated in a way we don't even think about in a way. That's great Again this makes all the sense in the world. I just think it really needs to be handled delicately because the minute you have a situation like USA saga minute. Fans are yelling. Equal pay equal pay at tennis matches were were in a bad place. So tread carefully. Let let me ask you one. More thing No matches obviously since as you know effectively since February since the first week of March A lot of tennis news. We've been talking about This proposed Combo Tours. But there's been plenty of other news. Some of this is dates and rescheduling had fun stories. We've had that if you've seen the two brothers to little kids with the one handed backhand than we've had the backward challenge. Give me your favorite piece of tennis. News or Margin Nalia in these last eight weeks. Jamie. I you know I'm going to call out a CO worker here Our friend Stanley K. Who you know people who are on SL DOT com may know very well but Islas scrolling through my feed and I saw this You know video about people in New York. And they're on their rooftops kinda hanging out spending their time. You know some people were working out some people. Were you know jump? Brokering some people were picnicking enjoying a glass of wine. Whatever it was and it was just one guy who was hitting the tennis ball against the wall and and practicing his Erin. I said you know that guy looks really familiar. I think I might sit next to him at work when we were in the often enough Stanley K was caught on tape in New York City on his Brooklyn Rooftop. -tracting practicing tennis. You know viewing Roger Federer's challenge. I think even got the little retreat from from federal So you you mentioned the little the challenges for tennis players having some fun during at home during this quarantine time but I think that's my favorite part is just these You know these little fun stories. That was something for me that you know I I don't see sailing anymore A we certainly don't have tennis anymore but it was just like a nice heartwarming moment. Where I was like. Oh wow very cool for him you know it got all over the Internet and retreated but it was. It was fun. I can't believe I missed that Anyway it's a very. That's a very personal story. But you went Stanley K Trivia. He he the clan of what Former top ten player. You know that yes. I do because of Us Open stories that we are not very good. Very good aired Krickstein for our listeners At Yeah you can. You can do all that and read. I read all about. I think he's heard about it a few times for us. I that's that's a great You'll have to include that clip in our show page all right. This has been great. Let's do Let's do another one of these next week. Perhaps let's stare at A. I think we've figured out the zoom studio here. Hopefully I'll call him out and say God bless maxine bud and he's He's he's he's a great guest but we have some some technical challenges on that front as well but hopefully that the content overcame the audio quality so Anyway thanks Jamie. This was great. Nice chatting is always same. Stay safe stay home. We'll talk to you you as well all right. That does it for this week. Thanks everyone for listening. Hope everyone is safe hanging in there. spiritually as well as physically and we will do it again. Next week you can Subscribe Leave Review. Feel free to send guest suggestions and we'll talk in seven days. Take everyone I'm host of sports illustrated new podcast corona virus and sports. The outbreak of Cova nineteen has disrupted all aspects of normal life including sporting events around the world. But sports isn't just about competition. It's also an industry that affects millions of people. And we're here to help you understand. 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The Annals of Time

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The Annals of Time

"We promise you a great man. Mitch mama mama mama mama mama mama ma ma ma ma ma ma. Oh sweet. peter bar chicken wrestling ladies gentlemen welcomes the world's number one sports and recreation podcast cheap heat very special special episode back from jamaica. Dip pristina's on the east coast which is very exciting and sack. Guy greg special juneteenth episode. That's right thank you for thank you for choosing to do the show and and not taking off jimi. You could've taken off today's show. I know you. I mean it's a federal holiday now so i think we're going to be given the friday before or the monday after as well right. I mean that's what they do with other federal holidays where you're going to get we get one or the other that's would be done right especially if when it falls on a weekend so you know like the monday the monday. It's not going to be a it's it's Federal holiday. That's still you still don't get necessarily school off right. That'd be a state by state decision. I think so. But i mean we free in all fifty states. Let's do the right thing. I listen. I couldn't agree with you. More welcome aboard. Thank you so much. It's nice to be here. You're on the east coast. I see yeah i am. I am in the The man cave of one Howard tanenbaum wow what an honor that must be. What's it is. It is quite the honor. Is there anything in that morning in progress. Is there anything in that man cave. That's worth anything anything fun or worth while. He needs some funds as in here. I i gotta be honest. It's not that fun. Except i love the wall. The gray wall. I like dark walls. i don't have never had a dark wall before. Wow well that's exciting dark walls but it's not really a man cave unless you have man cavendish items in the room. Hey howie he's gotta get things in there. By the way. I did a podcast yesterday. And the the host. This guy jason. The podcast is called. Take your personal. It's like a hip hop nerdy. White guy hit lead hip hop podcast. It was it was a good listen. It'll be out next week. You should go listen to it. But oh my god this dude i. He's not even like a wrestling guy like that's not his. He's not like a wrestling gala. He likes he likes and even his wrestling stuff was psychotic in the new towers in in in dipper lago. I don't have like an office per se. It's more like a giant giant bonus room. Show as we know so. I'm still trying to figure out what i'm doing with that room. But there might be dark waller considering the dark wall. Well before we get into the weekend wrestling in the lead up to helena sell. We're gonna do something fun here. And that is i'm going to open one. Pack of one thousand nine hundred five tall. Oh my god oh my goodness. Let's see if we pull a gem in hulk hogan or randy savage rookie card right now shadow listeners. They can't see what you're holding up. So we got described the the majestic pack of a pro allstars. You said it's one thousand nine hundred. Eighty one hundred eighty two zero wrestling stars. No this is eighty-five these are the tollackson stars. Nine hundred eighty five vintage hulk hogan with the blue trunks whitehead been on the front with a w championship that i don't even think most of our listeners recognized this is pre. Yeah he's holding that verse title that he won. Yes pitiful thing. The beautiful thing is the texture of the wax paper. That is so nonexistent in today's day. It's a stunning beautiful item august. Shout out to my friend. Layton at vintage breaks dot com. He occasionally opens. You can buy in two packs of these at vintage breaks dot com. This is not from my sealed box. Don't worry but. I got the sealed box from him and he gave me this as a gift. When i bought that incredibly expensive item. I am now at a gym. Meant hogan could be in here or it could be in the box. It is and i already see a cool card that unfortunately has gum damage. Which is the risk of the of the cards. Taxes may not be gum damaged pack damage in the car. That's damaged is Rowdy roddy piper. All my goodness yeah the back has like some staining sadly oh let me say it. It's a gorgeous card though beautiful. It's piper wearing the key. Look so young. he's not even sierra. Shirk either get can get on the horn but this shirt i don't so there is a piper shirt from that era. I this is by the way. I'm i'm pretty sure. I gotta show you guys. You won't be able to see in this. I'm pretty sure he's holding a cigarette while coming to the ring. I'm pretty sure few look really close. It is lower hand. that's it i see. I think he has a cigarette in his hand. Now let's see what cards on the front which will have the gum damage and the gum is completely stuck to it. This is one of the sad things that can happen. Look guys this is not what you want. And it's no way it's no way to treat cheeky bait by the by the way. Let me just say When i come to your apartment leave the gun for me. I'm gonna leave off them recently. I believe the gum for you. I know you're a gum guy. All right let's go quickly through this. We pull a ringside action card of what appears to be that monday richter it's wendi richter and the moola when you return. Do you believe. I watched Survivor series eighty seven. The other night. Do you believe that moolah was sixty three in nineteen eighty seven and wrestled was wrestling regularly in the women's division. Ladies yeah that sounds right. Yeah see three. Yeah i mean she was. She was confirmed old. Galore look at this gorgeous card d. Youthful item mean. Jean interviewing j. Y wow it's completely off center. But i love the card Then we have a beautiful holiday. This should be. I'm gonna send someone as a holiday card. Nath all each and send it to i. Should it's captain. Lou albano dressed up as santa claus and then Also right after that turn around. Boom you get a captain loose sticker but ladies and gentlemen how about this sticker with appeal here thing hulk hogan at the washington monument. You need to put that captain louis. Laptop that's the back of the laptop situation. Yeah he's got all kinds of disgusting chips all over him. Yeah he's speaking of replugged. I'm glad you said it. The most of still george steele eating turnbuckle. We're down to the last. I wonder if he brought the turnbuckle remnants home to his family to to eat as leftovers after the matches it's a great question Share them with the bushwacker. The last three cards or simply action cards andrei kicking someone in the face and his his boot gets up. very high. t giving they're doing that is could be tito it. Pedro morales no. It doesn't look like pedro to me. It looked like him from the back hall cogan with an abdominal stretch on inoki. That's what it looks like right. Confirmed okay. that's not what i see. Nothing that's a pretty mayuge thing and then a last card pile up with andre the giant so shout out to layton from vintage breaks If you want to buy it on one of these gorgeous packs and find hope to find your hogan rookie or savage rookie. You feel free. I'm hearing one definitive thing about layton greg numbers ups and also i wanna start off this week's episode outside the ring by reading. You guys something that. I'm i just hope neither of you've seen and maybe you have already seen it. It was a very random note. That now i don't see it hold on yes area. It was a very random wrestling. Note that i'm hoping missed you guys both so i'm so i get to read it to you for the first time. Okay nice see. Even if i saw it. I'm going to pretend i didn't see it. You can steal your joy. It's it's apparently a story that conrad told about his father-in-law ric flair. Oh he's a grega and it's a very short story. But i love it beyond all words. I don't think anything in wrestling for me. This week could surpass this. You're loving and loving conrad said and i quote so we're waiting and this car pulls up and the window rolls down and says get in. Rick starts laughing. Yeah get the gat here and so the guys like no seriously i'm your ride rick's like car coming buddy. Thank you appreciate you watching. And he's like no no no so and so sent me. Whoever the promoter was and rick's like what and the guy says yeah. I'm supposed to pick you up. Rick says the world champion doesn't ride and kia's so get contam- car get a cadillac and comeback. He's like no. I'm not a car service. This is an uber. he's like i don't care what your name is. get out of here. So conrad says no rick. This is our car. Rick says conrad on not getting an uber. It's not happening respect over so at least for the champ. I feel like i'm going to be that guy. S i feel like you are that guy already at the major story by the way shadow to to the the greatest of all i'm not wanting to get in a is sit on sit on someone's towels in the back of their not sitting on towels. It's not happening. i'm. I'm the world champion. I'm not doing it. I absolutely loved that story beyond belief as you. What else going on outside the ring this week. A e w announced a show in new york city. They sure did At arthur ashe stadium they do means for september twenty second they. Should i gotta tell you guys have reveal to haven't watched it in like a month but you haven't watched anything in a month now. I caught up. Caught up caught up but you caught up. You haven't watched aws. I need to second grade. What do you even care. You hate the show. You hate the product. You want nothing to do with it honest about that. I'm not here faking. Loaf w file. Why gaking and also you said. It was a contradiction. You said you're caught up. But you haven't awa w e okay for wwe about awa. This is good news. I w i w and by the way and it's bad news for wwe so of course of korea. The last time they went to queen's do they care about queens by the way that is an amazing venue. that is phenomenal. Ever been there. I've been there et cetera. I've been there oh degrade standing that is made beyond to me as a fan if ww is playing. Arthur ashe stadium. I would be there front row so excited. It is a tool stadium. I'll never forget walking. I was fifteen years old with my father at arthur ashe stadium for the us. Open walking up to see the walking up to the concession. Stand and sing a tuna sandwich for fifteen dollars. It's insane censored and sessions in the world. Today yeah. I don't know if it'll be that way at A w but the food at tennis is confirmed. Obscene does the sporting event decide though. Isn't that the venue decide. So i mean i. That's the price that's the pride what's going on. But the tuna at arthur ashe stadium must be very rare because it is a fork. It's a good question as she g. I don't feel like the food is always the same. I think i think once you walk in the building. They have you by the balls so like they do whatever they want. But this is different. Because arthur ashe stadium is the national tennis center. It's all tied together. You know what i'm saying. It's their operation so they might offer things for when you go to see tennis that they're not offering when aws them. That's my guess. The food is delicious though. I mean they have sandwiches that are a legitimate delight. Twenty six dollars but a a real delight. But i don't know i mean i'm waiting still defined we haven't heard what. Wwe's returned to new york is so we have not or la or la. So it's not known cares about so it's not bad. News mean no. I mean people carriages. It's not it's not bad news yet. We'll dip don't shake your head. Don't act like for one split. Second like the The battle for wrestling fan ship resides in los angeles. You're yelling inmates everywhere. It's new york's. This is healing ganged up on. And i'm feeling yelled at you. Sound like you sound like you sound like ten. When he told me. I need to go to los angeles to see hall and oates at At what mccall. I just woke up to dip. Tell me where where they're playing again. Hollywood bowl the hollywood bowl. He's like it's an. It's an incredible opportunity. I'm like msg year at msg. No hollywood bollywood. Pug hollywood bowl is a thing out. There that thinks is repugnant. Some people think is made Anyway south to wrestling for sale by way. We are hard at work on a las vegas summer slam weekend heat and greet. We are hard at work. We're diving in head first trying to figure out how to make this operation work so we don't know these tickets are selling and we don't know when wwe is going to announce but if you're wwe you certainly hope two things one that this is not a huge success at in queens and doesn't like look amazing where it looks like they have a fever you know crazed crowd in in your backyard and number two. When are you running in relation to win. This show is and you better do much better if you're wwe in new york than w. does it's the thing though is you can't compare it because like you said the one that shows in queens in a completely different venue and then if and is probably going to be barclays which can i it's not gonna head to head so i mean i think this is one of those situations where both companies can run a new york especially if w can establish a relationship with arthur. Ashe stadium 'cause they can have their thing in queens w can have the so. You're not you're not do you not think. Wwe going to be upset. If a w draws like twelve thousand two arthur ashe stadium. They have no interest in ever going. Arthur ashe stadium. So i don't think why the outdoor agree with that. She what is the. What am i missing here. Is it that matter wrestling questions. They're big stadium. Show in running the big show in new york. Yeah eight is arbitrary right other dates arbitrary that they're running war and it's there it's wwe territory because here's the other thing this is. Wwe is home. They didn't even run the time around. Here they ran in. They ran a new jersey when they were going to run here. I think i canceled even thinking of your new yorker new yorker p. Wwe's home is msg. W. w second home is the barclay center. Wwe does not care about queen. It's about the building they they can't they won't run those buildings. They're not going to run. Wwe's buildings of course that would be a different thing altogether and that i think would be some no but that's impossible building. I think it's about. It's not about the building. No one's gonna up. They can't they can't run the building. The vince isn't going to let them run the building that they would be permanently. Tarnishing the relationship with wwe. So they're not gonna look. Japan ran the building building. No one the wrestling promotion can't do a show at msg right. New japan are weights are no threat to wwi. Are you living in a world where you don't see the difference between a w. and h j. p. w w either s on national tv soon so we get there they just they're signing wwe's legends right and left. Where am i living. What world is this. You didn't know tony kahn. Went on the fan this week on radio in new york and announced his new york show double page inside the new york. Post this week. A w try to challenge. Wwe this guys if you think. New york is the same as everything. And if you think eight ws the same as you're out of your minds and show a fundamental lack of understanding of what this entire thing even as the if they if they draw show with fifteen thousand people right now what. We're seeing lagging ticket sales for. Wwe across the country. That is a king problem. That is not okay. That is going to be a problem. This whole idea that she has no. It doesn't matter doesn't matter does it. Matter it matters this due to me. No two people who work in the business who are fighting for their jobs everyone there who wants to to make money and do wellness business. It matters be my. Can i three minutes or ninety seconds. Whatever was take as long as you want so p. a. w. running one show in september in front of fifteen thousand people and then going back to that dailies place or two thousand whatever they do whenever they do it is not an issue. Because they're not gonna do fifteen thousand on a consistent basis alone i. It's just not as big as issue as i think. It's not an issue if they do at one time because they're not going to do it consistent basis let alone. The venue in queens. That's not msg and that's not barclays. Good for a w that they're able to do this and if they're able to sell it out even better but it's not a thing that they can do consistent enough to be considered super threatening people wouldn't have even existed as an idea would have been impossible an idea we. They haven't sold a single ticket. So you're right so i didn't say it is a problem. I said if they draw fifteen thousand. It's a problem you're saying you're saying that wouldn't even be a problem so a year and a half a year and a half ago the idea of them ever filling a building in new york would have been ludicrous now. They fill a building in new york. Let's say if they do and you're still going to go. Oh well it's just one time. At what point do you go okay. They're doing something here. They're consistent when it becomes consistent because they'd smitten with comes consistent his layers. Here's the thing. Here's here's the thing i know. I work in music. Jas okay. I understand the act at the end of the day ticket sales everything and they do okay and if a w was able to sell fifteen thousand tickets in new york is an issue okay. There's there's just no question. But the fact that like i i don't i don't i don't necessarily i. I don't know. Maybe maybe i'm wrong. I just feel like that. Like barclay center and arthur. Ashe stadium are not madison square garden. I feel like if if they sold fifteen thousand tickets and if they sold at madison square garden. I don't know it would be waddington. The gardens the easiest one to sell it sells itself all you know and it sells itself and its tag teen thousand. People are willing to trek to arthur. Ashe stadium guys. That's a bigger problem. Arthur actually beams the most annoying of those three venues to even get to. It's true it's true on that. I'm not gonna slander queens. I'm not going to disrespect crystal adly but you're right about that one. It's the hardest one to get to the cia but many trains go right there. It's not that hard but it's harder than msg barclay center which are both like feels like you're going to siberia all like spending that much time on the train. I mean first of all estrogen. Calm down there are people who live in brooklyn and queens like millions. Not if you're in one. Borough going to another borough feels like a track. Even if it's even if it's just brooklyn let me just say this. I hope the people who run things at wwe are not as lax as s g. G is about this guy. I mean stran- it again because then okay then they run it again. Okay we'll get a rating like we do okay. The ratings getting close to we do. At what point do you go. Oh my god are we actually getting into a real thing again. Innings have their ratings have been dropping since they moved to friday. So hopefully can bounce back by the time that happens to. They're not going to do well on fridays. Fridays at ten pm is like it was not a non-starter to begin with. But i will say this to. This show is good news for a w and we spent most of it talking about wwe. That's we're biased. We are w ww biased podcast. But listen for eight. But even even in the press release the headline was watch out vents and then have to article was talking about. Wwe was aid. You start talking about ww. And it's like if they're going to succeed that whole that piece of new like that dot cloud that follows them a shed that i because you can't even mention a w. without mentioning. Wwe all starting to get ridiculous. I don't think it's ridiculous. Think as part of the narrative that you want to have. If you're trying to be the little guy who beats the big guy i mean. Wwe like kleenex. They are the thing so anyone who does another thing until they toppled. Wwe is always going to be trying to be in in wwe's world. That's just what it is. Listen it's not the end of the world. I'm not saying this is like oh my god. I'm having a panic attack. But i was like what's wwe plan. I wanna i wanna find out about when they're running and then i really hope that the ticket sales in new york seriously outpace awa that those are to me. That's important peter. Can we move onto fighting with us about the fifty greatest thanks. Let's see what hasn't been seen it. You were just guessing that you'd fight with him we're gonna fight about. We'll be this though. I before they even announced the list. I think tweeted this. In that you know at the rockers. We're going to be listed way too high for what they really did. I'm sure like we can go down the list later for. That's i don't think they've done one to twenty eight but the but the first The first thirty it's it's obscene but there are names on there. That are so preposterous. Fifteen fifty to twenty yeah. I'm sure they're modern ones. That are just preposterous situations. I'm sure and i i. I've only watched the show very briefly. I love to pull it up and fight with gregg about you. Know we're gonna fight. They'll dip see. This is the probably no no problem. You know coming with the narrative and then you gotta you gotta fill the narrative. I looked at it thing. I thought of estrogen. We'll with me about this and other present so so what. What did you see with several dude at the end. Talk about Well we get to their Jon moxley and rene pets baby arrived I believe it was wednesday. He tuesday or wednesday. Yup have you. Have you seen the baby. Have we heard news. Do we have any. Do you have a scoop all note. I just texted congrats. I have not. I have not seen said baby girl. Happy for rene and mocks the the baby lady moxley for now until a name and all those lady moxley. What else going on. Samoa joe returned to wwi news up a storm this week. Yeah he's now in annex t they were reports when he released that Triple h was not happy with him. Being released and that the two of them were able to work something out that saw him return to nfc not in a wrestling to pass. But as an enforcer to william regal There was some speculation that he was going to replace. William regal outright as gm In an t but instead he there to essentially just put people back in line when they stepped out of line and addressing. Mr eagle this guilt adam cole. Wednesday this can't be the permanent role for him being back. I mean i think it opens up some possibilities for all right well one. It's it's an easier travel schedule because they don't tour so that's and he lives. He lives down there. I believe so and then you know. They said that he would not compete or get physical unless provoked. And i think that little caveat opens up some move for them to do some storylines with people step out of line and then they inch colson closer to a match and then he can have like these little one off matches every once in a while that. It's a win so weird. I'm very happy for joe. And i'm happy that. Wwe found a way to retain him but this is a weird role for him in a in a long term way. Yeah but buys you time it buys you time and then it allows him to get physical and allows him to to be himself in a way that everybody wants to see you know versus just being behind announced tables and should just showed up on raw this week. One hundred percents. I'm talking about this most thing on earth. We'll know hit me. Yes talk was gone for five seconds. They retained him. I'm happy for him. he's a great guy. I mean one of the great but this you can't ignore the news that he's actually back because he would have been a huge get for w. two and by the way speaking of my point of people are concerned about a. W i bet you. That's what that is a major factor in coming back. I'm sure it was. We are not giving samoa. Joe w i'm sure that was laying. Anyone who wouldn't sign him would be psychotic lunatic he included. Wwe that's why they snatched them back so they really. I don't i don't really understand him just being enforced exte- but i'll take it rather than being gone. I need alister black back. I mean that was a that was a career cut. Short i mean. I don't think that that one. I can't happening because if you fire you. Fire a guy while you're in the midst of building him back up. There's something going on. Yeah that that means they're done that. That's how i would take it i. It's hard to imagine anything else. How many times have you cut the guy off at the knees and start over again. You know it seems kind of impossible. Now i agree anything else as you know that was it for out of the ring and independent watched. Aws aws been a little confusing to keep up with. These is it was. It has been three weeks in a row on fridays. Yeah through the playoffs. I think they're going to be on. Fridays after smackdown and honestly i think if i'm aid. They've added commercials w programming before so just pay whatever you have to pay to have commercial air on fox where you know. They have like two million viewers which is more than you've ever had for years shell and just say immediately after smackdown tune into t at t for some more pro wrestling action that i do like that. You got to do something. It's very weird hard spot also. Why do the friday night. they can't do. They can't do a saturday six. Oh five i'm telling you they'll be better anything's better than friday. Attend friday hardcore wrestling fans. Don't mind continuing for another two hours with another promotion. But i mean the casuals who caught you on wednesday. It seems to be tall asked to get them friday at ten especially with outside. Open it up again. People on lockdown ratings are going to be very rough right now friday tonight. What the weather's been been on the east coast. Yeah people are not going to be watching a lot of tv tonight now. People are going going. They're not watching. People are going and going and going people are gonna pass go. They're going they're gonna and they went and went Are we Hell in a cell is this weekend. Yes we get a a cell match tonight actually. Wwe announced sorry and social media. The roman reigns ray mysterious helena sell match is. They're doing it on on smackdown tonight. What can i just say. This helena cell is not ellen salami more if there's no blood who cares they don't even use the cage anymore. They're not even they fall off once. That's that's basically spot. Now for helena sell they climb up the side they fall onto the table. That's that you watch the most recent halama cells. I mean they have been there. Have been some brutal. Helena sells you think about what was brutal about bailey. Sasha the usos match be was beaten to death in a cell. i mean but you'd discounting the match because it was not discounting the cell the mattress a great match no question. This cell is just an aesthetic visual at this point. It's not something that anyone uses a weapon. I don't think that's not true. I don't think that's wrong about that. It is true. Go back go back and watch go back watch any less off and then come back next week and tell me feel are no cage spots except for the falling on the back. That's it there's no cage spots other than that that's go back and watch any of the last five which which is the one that stands out and will last through the annals of time as being not just a good wrestling match inside a cage but to dips point the cell made the match to some degree was no argument there on the red cage like none not accurate. It's ridiculous like it feels like a raw branded cage when it's like this a smackdown one. You're you're gonna just gonna be a blue sell son possible point like who knows but yeah i. I'm with you. That i hate the red cage but go back and watch the souls new day hell by the way another great match i love. I love both those means. I thought they put on a great so rosenbergs question new date lucille's how to sell annals of time. Yes yes can. We have two different animals. It s she s she jeez ability to put recent things in his historical list is unlike anything i've ever since we want to fight about the the list because poland. He'd have raided archaic. Three thomas. let me tell you we're going to fight about the street profits tubing up there. Hold on hold on to address. Rosenberg's ridiculous statement. I didn't put anything. I didn't bring the animals of time into this year. Did dip said listen back. Hold on to answer his question. I didn't bring the time. I didn't make it. About all time. Helena cells rosenberg did and i gave him the respect as though person whose name is in the show s has direct question with a direct answer. Which why didn't make it about all time you did number one number two dip said that such a lawyer. That doesn't matter that you gave the answer. But you ask the question so say say no. None are in the frame it. I didn't frame it in terms of all time you did. I answered the question. That doesn't that doesn't matter it does not i framing. In terms. of all time we have definitions of. Can i if i can be allowed to speak. Please go ahead. i already addressed it. Rosenberg framed it in terms of all time and number one number two. You did that after. I address dips point. Which was that. Recently helena cells. How become this thing. That don't represent what how cells to him anymore. I address that by pointing out the he can watch any of the recent ones and it would disprove his statement. I kept it recent. You made it about all time. I joined you there. And then sometimes became about s gee-gee recently bias feel like the contortionist. Happening all your and this that you are getting your own right now. That's how bad your contorted. Your on down circled around and out the other side. You said you didn't even take ownership for answering a question that you say it was your bit contortion contortion addressed. I address dip in terms of being about recently. What because this question was about the really saying that. Let's see your point. He's dip saying here to sell doesn't feel like what the cells used to feel like and i speak is wrong about the last five matches. None of them had any sort of annals of time vibe to them in any capacity there are two helen his own matches. That matter it is it is Shawn michaels and undertaker and mankind and undertake. Those are the two that matter. The rest of them can take a hike as far as well. But then you're not then then. You're almost regime. Mcmahon one almost helping sag. because then you've ruled out all of the one that even happened post nineteen ninety eight. I need blood and guts. There was other blood and guts. There there is more blood and guts. post mankind. Yeah all right but not throw the baby with the bathwater. When we're talking about annals of don when i look at my animals i look for and while there's my handle these are the two that are in the animal. The difference is greg's annals continue all the way till present. Our animals completely closed off undesired thousand six. the analog closed is all time most european. You're correct it's not the ball it's evolving. It's evolving i. Have i have animals that stop. You have evolving out. I need at least fifteen before animal before. Suv's right the bay was named episode bailey. Sasha was made and did use the cell but it didn't use it in the way that you're saying you think of the cell being effective phase blood and falling through and tax bolingbrook gone through that. Listen i ain't liming up by climbing down ninety using the door. I ne- i need blood and guts and sasha bailey. Did a good job of that but you just don't get blood anymore these days. I mean almost unless it's my accent. I'm looking i'm seeking an awa gave your blood and guts. He didn't even watch it's gonna pay for. I paid for that. No blood and guts is free. Wasn't it plus pay. I paid for the last pay per view. One thousand blood and guts freedom. Maybe the maybe the got got forty nine so real quick. Why why boy. Wwe just catch a major break from us infighting to not even talk about. It's a pay per view weekend or the thing you're selling. Is helena sell. They're going to run some gimmick where they're going to run something with it it's an it's an angle. It's an angle. I think so. There won't be a match. I'm going to reserve judgment until next week. I think there will be an. I think they'll be a helen itself tonight. And i think there'll be one with roman tomorrow. I think they're running. Some kind of. I agree while the i agree. Because the real story is not ramos The real stories. Jimmy who so i agree but from a basic based on what we know about. Wwe and things they've gotten upset about regarding Something happening that spoils something else happening. Yeah he's what we know about that. Why would you run a cell match on friday when you have a pay per view called hell in a cell on sunday. It's going to be angled by this. J storyline is in my opinion the greatest storyline of the last five years. It's the slow delicate. i love them. It's the only reason i'm watching right now. Truly the fiends gone braun strowman gone. They got rid of alastair black. It's about it's about roman in the us that's what wrestling is right. Now is roman in the uses right. Now that's it you. There is nothing else. That is not a pop pop by riddle. Matt ritalin randy orton meaningful and even though he is stuck. Repeating with drew mcintyre bobby him. Mvp and they're developing. They're still a thing and yet and and the mvp talking kofi kingston could be fun too. I like that so there are three things three things as she page about these. I feel like i'm on the same page with you back down. That like roman is is like here. And then there's some notches and then everything else. Interesting happening in wrestling is operating on like a second tier but no romans romans of the top next roman what. I'd like to see his mvp and roman not wrestle but in a storyline together. That is my hope and dream. Maybe maybe maybe maybe when the part of me when the draft happens we'll get to see something you know just wanna see. Mvp on the other side of heyman and yet we may get that. If roman end lashley managed to be champion rally survivor series time. That might be a thing that that we see. Gotta respect the head of the table. Mvp it's grace spectrum. He's doing this for his family's doing this for you for me. I want to thank the head of the table. Actually i'm gonna. I'm gonna posted a video in catering. Thank you video as i'm eating at the table at wwe. I'm gonna post. Thank you video thanking the head of the table. For the food that i'm eating. That sounds appropriate. Franklin he's why how else is their food is. He's providing it a thousand percent and by the way it's so funny and this is why love everything is why i love wrestling so much. His whole gimmick is. He's that at a table. He provides for everyone. That's the gimmick that the whole thing and yet at least for us three fans we believe that in fact he is right now. V thing worth watching in other words. He is the head of the table. He's drawing the eyeballs. He is the reason. Everyone's they're eating thing is do you think he is choosing what is in catering right now and when i see him at summerslam can. I make suggestions. I would make wouldn't make suggestions. Nothing makes a difference what you think the head of the table. You don't ask for other options. You know what you're doing much to the head of the table. Maybe not so many turkey legs this week. And we get them swedish meatballs. I you know what no one wants to look. No one wants a regular on the salad baby. Spinach and regular iceberg is all we need. There's too much dark me. We need a little bit more like say that on june teeth weekend. I love all chicken. I'm a white meat guy. I know i know that surprise. Here's white meat. And i like the wings drums amount of big drumstick guy. I'm i'm drumsticks only know. You like like the the other thing would we do. You mean what kind of wings do you mean. Do you mean about hot wings for soto ali hot wings. I enjoy the drumstick. You're only you're not. i'm not. I'm not only i love the other ones too. I love both drums. Flats equal drums. We flats is with us. I've never had that. I love drums and flats if we're having wings but if i am eating chicken yep i. Don't love the drumstick. I did when i was a kid. I don't love it anymore. i'm not. I'm not a thigh people. That only are thi- only they're sick. I'm i got to tell you. I m a breast man through and through confirmed the but and and not like everyone hears you say that and they think you want like dry tasteless no no. I want succulent juicy breast. That's what i want you. Don't you don't like a drumstick when you're eating chicken licken chicken whole chicken as you if you have a whole chicken. What's the first piece you're going for even the i'm saving the best for last so the drums. The drum gets saved. You like to draw the most drunk. Well that's the that's the main event. Wow this and this is going to be the most controversial thing. I've ever sat on the show and i know it's juneteenth and i know there's a lot of stereotypes and blind lately about black people in chicken lately. You know nothing about chicken tread lightly. I've been eating chicken every chabad my entire life and a matter of fact. I'm tired of the stereotype of black people. Blubbing chicken jews eat. Chicken at everything will listen we. You know this as well as i know this go had the black community and the jewish community. Very you know like this like this. We don't always get along especially on this show. There's there's some we we fight like brothers. We get passionate but at the end of the day when it comes to the struggles in all that we we like this right so believe me. I don't know who bought chicken to the first communion over whatever you wanna call it between black people and jewish people. But i believe i just wanted to give credit because people just don't talk about jews loving chicken dip. Don't you think that is understated. Though people don't talk about jews and chicken enough. I think it's more brisket that is associated with with with associated. Yes but chickens more quickly more common than brisket what my mother would make brisket. But they're always be a chicken dishes. Well okay but how your mom would make brisket and there'd always be chicken but many many many times there was chicken and no brisk people were asking for the of court but we make chicken but that's all holidays on a regular friday. My mom's making chicken. There's no brisket chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken and then on a holiday brisket but guess what else is chicken. I had a nice variety growing up pork chops meatball shops. You're out of the conversation thousand. You don't even get to deserve to be here. I'm not saying i'm the biggest pork chop guy there. In my household my mother made my mom. Mom wouldn't even know what to do with the pork chop she'd drop it in horror. She wouldn't even know what it was. It looks like it's chicken. Jas are real quick. We gotta we gotta hit the. This is all we know of the card. Should we know we know bobby. Lashley vs drew mcintyre. And may we. We have not seen that before. So i'm excited to see it. Finally come to a head hell in a cell if if drew mcintyre loses. He cannot challenge. Bobby lashley again. We all know how we all. I'm dying i wish i. He better win. Because i i can't see them. That's one more time. If i see them at walmart time that could be the end boy again. We gotta win because if if drew wins the match one. Listen lashley better lashley rhea ripley versus charlotte flair for the raw women's championship. Charlotte charlotte wins. I didn't put it back on charlotte already about the has it right. Yes has it. I think i was going to say whoever the champion is will retain you come back to us Bianca blair your champion against the second best person in wwe. Right now after roman reigns bailey. Get for the wwf. Smackdown women's championship. I don't see. I don't i don't feel that story has built towards a bailey winning the title back yet have three retaining situations now. Can you. well we don't buy rea- yeah Bye-bye rea- i iran. If one's gotta go that's the i would. I would think so. Although listen i could see a world because bianca and bailey age i could see them trading back of several times and they and they have a thing that continues on Rea- i'll tell you. This ria is more damaged at this moment by title lost bianca and be bianca solidified rea- even though i think ria has the potential to be the goat re at this moment is not solidified. Bianca's a solidified starter smackdown. It can't be one of those things where like the title makes the makes the person like if that's what we're hoping for for then she shouldn't have the title in the first place it one of those things like she loses the championship and then it leads to something that makes it more. Listen becky lynch listen. You're right you're right. I'm not saying what should or should should not be. I'm just saying the reality is. The reality is ria. Maybe you're right. Maybe she'd be better off in the long run losing it and getting it back later. I'm just saying in terms of how they appear on tv. The next week. Rio would be more affected by that than bianca bianca. They solidified smackdown star if she loses the title the next week. She's still going to be a solidified smackdown star. In my opinion. I think rea- goes down a notch if she loses the title. Charlotte absolutely agree. And i i think they already way. Bianca's positioned already. she's bailey. she's already one of the people you know what i'm saying. I don't know that ria has that yet right now. I know and i love her. It's not what i want. But it's where we are and guess who's back at a pay per view wrestling match alexa bliss. That's right three of the four matches we know about or women's matches and one of them is alexa. Bliss versus shayna baszler. Do we see the fiend return in this match. Not i don't think so. I don't think so either. And by the way what else is going to happen on this card. There'll be a roman match at some sort. That'd be riddle and orton. And ritalin orton. We'll get announced for something tonight. Probably what about What about street profits and usos or something or or no and what about. Oh isn't they're going to be an aj aj and that the viking skew the yeah. The viking raiders won a number one contenders match. But i don't know. I don't know when they're going to get right ship opportunity. I'm sure it's sunday. And and and maybe the usos or the street profits have a title match on sunday. Whatever go up and don't have the titles though do know either. One of them has a title match. Because we're gonna have a match now on friday. Which would free him up on sunday and then they could have another street profits usos match tonight. The winters get a title match on sunday. I don't know it's just a really late car superlight card so we'll see I want to let all of the cheap. E universe know that The limited run of real late merchants available. I mentioned it last week. It's going to be up for actual sales shortly. It's still preorder right now. Getting what am i getting. Am i getting something by by By i'm gonna. I'm gonna send you the link. I think the item for you is You know what it is. You're gonna be. You're going to get the white long sleeve t i believe. You're a white long sleeve. t guy. i'm one of the biggest white long sleeved. G guys in the biz today. 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Why IS OPEN TOM? This is mine cracked that by talking. Okay we also got. Who made. Did you make moonshine actually like to drink Canadian ship? But that's an American whiskey. Yeah it's it's almost done wrong. Pulled fucking moonshine now. It's called. I had one shot Ole Smoky. Tennessee moonshine all awfully fruit. Punch bitch shapes last weekend and they got some good shit but we're not used to be able to bring it over. Nobody said anything declared right. Yeah but you can. I know you're allowed to bring alcohol for over forty years. Oh Shit yeah well. I got completely blacked out at Mitch's Bachelor Party two weeks ago. He term shrouded hot. Tub But sounds of Mitch Mitch. Had like he got a bunch of like forties and shit from Costco Right. Yeah placers go go in. The state has bulk alcohol. It's crazy why don't they have sixties of vodka for thirteen dollars? Are you serious as much yet? A sixty of generals like twenty bucks. Dude I gotta get my passport because my brother's getting married night after I told him on supply. The booze sneaked out over though. Because that's way over. Your limit oriented declared that the first batch the other batch. I was because you are. He brought like fucking three forty years. Wherever like we're in the sixty s that's crazy sixties. Canadian government border. Fuck Fuck and. We're drinking the hot shit at the Bachelor Party. This is like sweets like north. It's got like outdoor pool and hot TUB and Shit. That's sweet it was. It was pretty fucking funny not blacked out. But we're we're all finished your booze. And then we got the youngest kid to go run and grab the rest of the booze and he brought back all the bottles repairing like some mixed drinks for us because this is an outdoor hot tub in the winter. Okay Pool in the winner mixed drinks. He brings back a fucking cooler. All these liquors other leakers. Four sixty proves back home. My God. There's a hot tub. There's like sixteen twenty people in this hot tub strangers and we're all passing around these boost. Everybody's Fox out. So yeah. That sounds a random lady. Comes up you to get your tub. She's like a workable cutter. He's fine they don't. I've never I've been drinking a hot tub for awhile. Rose how fucked I was getting. I kept I kept having to get up and like sit on the edge and like I don't remember anything like it was fucking nearly ten thirty at night. It wasn't long. It felt long. Yeah your guess what we're coming up to. What is this is Christmas? This is clearly one. Two three four MORE SLEEPS. No more that is in more taste twentieth John Again. Then get into the meat of this then neat how media to most of US Christmas holiday fill with houses lit up with colorful lights gifts around. An evergreen tree hangs with WHO'd hanging with ornaments family dinners with Comfort Food and don't forget credit card debt. It's my favorite song in the world department stores lined with Christmas decorations by the time November hits and don't forget insufferable Christmas using music playing non. Stop Way I love Christmas. Week of Christmas. Fucking rocket K. A. R. December December. Mitch is a very big guy into Christmas. Mitch loves Christmas before for the Chris is a big before I ever worked at the shop. Especially we're supervisor at Mitch. Her that last year you lie. You put decorations around all the machines and shit presented do it this year so those getting married. Yeah time for that. So Christmas is buck in. The fuck shop is usually covered. Inle like that's awesome. Shrinking are dirty metal shop. That's like Phil. Dust inside and fucking. Trevor is telling me that dreams episodes so long trevor but that he Mitchell lace put the fucking like Chris. Oh along the trout die. No he okay so that was a very like okay listeners. If you listen to this regularly he was on the dreams episode. He's a interesting fellow. That's for sure but Mitch would like fucking put them around the machines which looking at these like big ass laser machines and makes me laugh is like stringing lights upon this like fucking caked on metal dust fucking mission Christmas tree to and deal until Dale through. Fuck fuck you know who you are. You're fucking dead. He wrote throw a tree but there is a darker side to this religion was ever going to be any other side was that. Did you really think we're going to be positive this episode stay tuned after this episode by? Song from thirteen. Thirty three and very undergrad artist. It's a very open. His eyes we did Special Christmas song from Billy. This on Thomson on but if you stay soon. It's called the Christmas story. These thirteen thirty three goes far in depth of what Christmas is really based on. And it's a great song and he's someone that said okay. This is okay. You want to promote me. Probably one of the most Undergrad rappers. I've ever fucking heard of sounds thirteen. Show I don't know how they're going to see it but I can't nursery rhyme of how big one inch to inch three inches song. Yeah we're making fun of time. Although the whole world celebrate Christmas as a Christian holiday including millions of Non Christians is Christmas really Christian at all. Yes is it consider the fact? Look Hi low throughout the pages of the Bible and you will find not what. Lord of Christmas was more Kate. Now that's a lie so no Jesus. Christ is born in the middle of July. You're right on that but no I grew up in a church. My facts on did you. Church yes madam. My family's religious reflection mcphail complex that is that is that what happens. You get Pale when you go to church to hold. I guess only one hour a week. You fucking lose all your son if you are super religious. They're like Nick Bucking Week on Sundays for an hour and I was dragged us the kid the priest women you know there is there is no there was no. There was no set date on Christmas. The whole idea was the fact that they just celebrated a random day because they didn't they didn't actually like even though they say they have a date that Christ was actually born. They didn't really have a date to date so they just made it December twenty fifth. And that's what they made and they made it in a sense where you needed to celebrate the fact that Christ what he did for to you on that day and had somehow turned into giving people gifts and everybody needs to gets now because Christ gave a gift explanation of Christmas yet. We're doing an entire episode. The history of Christmas so that was just billy's hijinks into during Christmas. Actually the Myers. Billy always used to bang the microphone. Did Not do it is done. It's over who who showed up. A U K. All Never K. I. Time do you speak in between their share? This is what happened with me when there's Dow but when Justin was on this and there were three of us it was so hard to keep him in Justin controlled because I used to put them beside each other and they will be sharing a mike and they would be like laughing at their own jobs. Where I'm trying to say something but Mitch is the man. Christmas was never celebrated by any of Jehovah's People it is not even mentioned not once in the Bible neither the Messiah nor any of his apostles ever observe this holiday nor even in the New Testament of the church. Christmas didn't happen till after Christ died for one so the Bible was written while he was alive the was Jewish viable. Yeah no crazy. Do you know anything about the Bible. The Bible was written after. Jesus was dead the New Testament and talking about the Old Testament. When God's fucking Moses and God spoke to everybody before talking about before. Jesus was born the Old Testament Jesus and yes because before he was born. Then there's the years after Jesus then there's the one hundred years there you go. That's the New Testament which is Christian. And that's the weird one. That's the one that was the one that got a little weird know the also. Obviously you guys have read the Bible way more than this guy. As I've I've read the Bible but now it's funny who you talking about both of you. You said you guys have read the Bible way more than this guy. This guy calls. Okay okay so in the room. Who has two thumbs is a crazy motherfucker leverage right you? WanNa get into it. Sundermann come on. Let's go if the Messiah was not born on December twenty fifth. Who was in other words? Whose birthday is the whole Christian world really celebrating on December twenty fifth though they call it the birth of Christ or put it in another way. What Christ are they talking about? Jesus Christ picked a random day as Jesus. Karsh Realo from the bottom of my heart. I believe Jesus Christ was a real person Mitch. What do you think he lived in? What are you asking? Jesus as Jesus was he real. I think he was the real I think. Yeah he's real men I think. Son of God yeah. I think he was the world's first magician was I really do. And that's like even even fucking south. Park does a good bet on that. They're like alternate as water into wine glass of water. Just turn around real quick turnaround. I find the stories hard to believe in. I believe in God. But Jesus Jesus is where I kinda get lost. Jesus part yeah. But he was real he he existed. He was a human being that exists curvy. But that's first of all I am but sure so being the person that does Wanna or even widely in but the fact is like my belief in. I've always said this that is based on Jesus based on Horace Orange Egyptian God and that horse was also burned. A born of a virgin mother also could do miracles all these things before like Jesus ever existed so my theory is always been that. Jesus was recycled fucking person from ancient Egyptian texts. There's been three or four after Jesus to there's literally like VR Zych has there's so many religions that have that exact on their exact storyline. The vote he knew about these pass. You're talking about decided himself. I'm going to play this character. Oh so nation of horse. That's an idea saying he's saying he's con artist. Yes I'm saying this guy smarter than around him. He's saying this guy was brilliant. Needs like you know what I'm fucking God. He's like. He has the mentality of Tom. Brady's he'd actually doing some very co fuckers. And that's what I'm saying. That Jesus is a guy and that he claims to be the son of God and he tricked everybody into thinking God. Do you know. Yeah Weird Christ is merely translation of a Greek word. Christos critter. No KRISTA sounds like it's not as Christos wish literally means anointed one because prescription. Are we talking? We will be. It's all different traditions. Resource now is lose book. Chris like Christ with an OS. So it's closed off Chris. Dos which which literally means anointed one. One that was anointed by God. But what is an annoying person? It was someone who was only there for per dozen. Annoy me like you were splashing Holy Shit knowing isn't anointed mean. Like you were picked for something for anything. Your Yeah Your your kicked specifically for the job you're supposed to do you. Were anointed to do unlikely explanation. Is that the early. Church leaders need a holiday to distract Christians from the many Pagan rival robberies occurring in late December. Because paganism is big on this one of the robberies was Saturn Alia Santa Nalia which is literally sat is based on Saturn and the moon and shit a week. Long Festival celebrating. Romans favoured agricultural god Saturn which is fucked from December seventeenth until December. Twenty third and peg in High Jackson sued by hijinks I mean glutton gluttonous feasting gonna eat all these deviled eggs until there's no more Devil de Drunken lists. Eat all of them. Drunkenness and gambling and public nudity. So this would Romans did. Romans drank too. They're fucked. They like eight of their bellies. Where more than four and then they also gambled. Which is Saturday Tom? Pulls out still. He's Super Bowl. Me Kiva Gambling Eden. No I kind of find that kind of fun is like they really public nudity. Like everyone was getting drunk waving their dicks to helicoptering around people. And she's comfortable comfortable. But if you're comfortable doing well there from a person so nobody you say even if everyone else doing it would you feel comfortable. You like everyone else's and you just fucking drop your pants and helicopter your Dick around the room or around the street. Sorry I around the room. Okay with like I'll helicopter addict for any girl I think. So maybe it was. One of those guys has just blessed. You Know Big Dick. You're looking good. I'm good shower. No yeah then. You're the guy that's the guy you see what they have. And then you're weird when you get a boner and try to do that with the buner because then you're like into hard around here if you are blessed those say it's a nine a nine nine inches yes inches soft. Yeah now imagine. You're just a shower. That's you have nine just soft. I don't think that is where to go. Okay what. I'm not disputing fucking. I'm not doing semantics. Say like yeah. I'm just saying a little more than not mind my saying that like. Are you really like doing the wiggle for everybody and Shit like this? You're the answer to your questions. Yes in east. And that's why in an inter I'd be pulling that thing. Was you feel comfortable? But those are the guys. Yeah Yeah right now right now. Is Your Dick Not Reno ten inches so off topic? I don't know but is want to mention this. I knew were dude my buddy Kale and if we ever fucking listens to this show and before that name. But he's got. He's got like a cocker name. They always called Horace because these calm horse cock moves swish. La. Think he's curly everybody else that every girl that he everyone knew. They had a big Wang but he told this story because he did rim fest. His family owns a company that does every year and he said he swears. Do fucking God that he saw dude with a fifteen inch. Penis like dead serious. This kid doesn't lie Bush like this and he's like he's like no way you're fucking line. I'M A horse. You're fucking definitely not. And he showed him and he said this guy could barely get it. Hard Dead Sergia fifteen inches. That'd be hard and he said he was in Quebec which I was like French. People have that. Don't give Bekker's from France back English listening Dick's percent fucking the Romans would also switch. This is crazy. This is funny. So we're still talking about Romans and everything else. So the Romans would also switch roles between master and slaves for the occasion of Saturnalia. That's what they call the time before is Christmas so not only did the slaves get in the slaves get their pathetically lowered their sense of self worth by participating in the shirata freedom so you have sleighs pretending they're kings and you have kings retain their slaves. Why would the kings pretend because it was part of the celebration Sharada freedom also they got to wear of this says it's called the Polaris translated the word of freedom hat? This freedom hat. Sounds like a condom. This is my freedom hat. I cited on every time on a fucking bitch. One other peg in celebration that may have given Christmas. It's date was an Italian sauce in trying to pronounce the best can solas inventory which roughly translates to birthday of the invincible Sun. God which if you listen after the steps obese thirteen thousand three. His episode does episode. His song does comment on that is based on the God of invincibility which is Kinda cool adventure. I him invincible. The birthday of the God the invincible Sun God it was all based on Sun worship. So if you actually go ahead and everything isn't it. Everything's based off the sun. It's very weird alone of Roman ancient cultures or not a lot all of them. Yeah every single one of them is based off the sun and sun turned in. I think you know. Hey there's another theory. The Sun turned to a literal son. Like where you're saying. That's the son of God. I made the sun and they're like Nah. That's his kid. I don't Shit. That's a fucking mistranslation in the world is like I am the son of God. And they're like that's what they meant I thought he's talking about the puck and fireball shit. Our mission speak but I was against say losing me. Shit no one else. They're gonNA follow very weird because that is a big thing of what beast. Coaching three even talks better than his criticizing is the fact that is not based on the literal son of God. It was based on the Sun. That God may okay. That's what I meant. Yeah that's what I meant. What if what if he just took advantage of that? A lot of translations like a lot of understanding from back in the day is more simple than us like everything was like. Oh The Sun. That is what that is. Yeah Yeah So. You're thinking about the son of God. They're talking about the sun and that's why God made fucking his literal kid a little whore. Mary fucking everything. Then why didn't search theory on her to theory on Mary okay? She was like go. Go the Virgin Mary. She's a fourteen year old girl. What do you do if your wife cheats on you back in the day killer to death? She's knocked up from another guy. Oh Joseph God impregnated me oh how convenient is that how I believe she is not that you fucked some random guy now. You're knocked up by them and now Joseph's like getting stomach and she's like I'm going to have to tell Joseph. I'm a fourteen year old Mary and he's thirty nine Weirdo first of all each. That was that kind of it was in his thirty a- that was and she's pregnant. I bet you she was raped but this is real. She was either rate or she had sex with another guy and then she's like oh the knocked up by God. But why wouldn't you just say he knocked her have sex with him? Seattle no and just say his kid like there's no fraternity tests at that point for turn. Ity Paternity leave the virgin trains. Fuck off Tom Sex. She's the Virgin Mary. On at this point she obviously hasn't had sex. Maybe they're engaged. But why wouldn't you at that point like I feel like it'd be easier? Just have sex with them then to say God and pregnant. He's a very religious man. He won't do it quickly. Fucking Mary Him. Mary's as I've eaten a lot of fucking corn chips sleeping getting big fucking Mary. Maples Sing like in his thirties. Though he's aversion to this knows Jodi no-no Joseph Fuck a lot. By the twelfth century. The Christian Church had incorporated a few or less INFO Pagan traditions and to the twelve days of Christmas. We only wish that the public nudity could have been left in along with gambling and then drinking then again. It appears every day is Saturnalia in Vegas. So they do the same traditions like Sarah. Saturnalia was based on Saturday back. Then the Roman Times U Haul vape like it's your last lifeline. Try to hide it but because you bitch at me when the Mike. Here's the Christmas tree. Fuck me so you want to the Christmas tree. I do Christmas. The Christmas tree now is so common among us. It's it's fast. Don't you feel happy when you look at it? Oh No it's Chelsea. Was Bishop a lights being out every single lights on. Now it was like blacked-out half the tree. Sounds been fucking okay. Everything's made to you. It's all made up. Jesus prime made up to both. I've both but it's fine that the Christmas tree is also commonly. It was equal common in Pagan Roman error and actually peg in Egypt in Egypt. That the tree the tree. The Chris is actually a palm tree really. Oh be weird at treat. Wow the Canadian that can sentence huge ass fucking palm tree reach into the sky. Enrollment was a for for of a fir-trees juries. We haven't been candidate. Tom Waits for treating Roman. No No. They're saying the palm tree. During the palm. Tree denoted the Peg Messiah as Bell. Thom firm refer to him as bell booth be pronouncing I do. I do I do that. That page is still open if anyone wants to donate. Tom Read English. The mother of dawn and The Sun God the mother of Donald and the Sun. God was said to have changed into a tree that we're good k. so the Songo was changed your retrea. And when in that state when she was a tree to brought forth and her divine son so he was part of one of the branches. Sons that you have a bunch. You're saying she had probably probably close to what eighty nine kids in. Their mother was the tree then. Her son would have been recognized as the man as the branch is. She fucked so much that every single branch was another seed like now you can log onto whatever that site is were you find out your DNA today but yeah so. So you're saying that like why we got. That is why we have a kid because there is a super horror back in the day Boston law so much that she's like your seeds are about equal to the amount of tree has yeah amount of tree branches so her her one womb and off to how many kids they had. That's the that's the Christmas trees. Yeah so and this is a Roman Times. This is like there is definitely traditions that have different sorts of traditions has Roman. Yes so this is Romo when they first Actually had a tree general so the tree was meant to be a representation. You're buying the whore. Essentially that's what they were doing. That's what we do Mary one one Dick and then sperm onto branches into this. Because we've said so many times I'll one sperm could impregnated a town like not once burn but like a man can mode one location. Pregnant entire town woman could barely do that. So this is the whole division is based is the tree. Sprouting from the ground. And there's branching off different sections so she fox Thomas she expellees she walks Mitch. And you don't want after Tom. Okay still from Mitch McConnell and after still same from her same womb right itself from her. Woo Rate you is. I don't know this is German. Christmas was German. Wasn't it started from. There's many different Christian holiday and a Catholic theology essentially what it came from a bunch of different people in mostly Christian holidays other countries. Yes it was actually. I thought it was Christians in Germany. That started it moved from there. Every Christian Romans almost like a branch off from peg in holidays so say you have a weird Pagan holiday. Everyone gets drunk as fuck. It gives naked. And then the Christian stolen the Cath or the Catholics store. First and then the Christians and yeah it's it's all branch off from the same tree again. You're Catholic that is not true Catholic Christian or are you not a Catholic? You Change One part of the story. I answered yet. I sure. Do Think Billy your not anything religious. What are you talking about your religion? I grew up in a Presbyterian I grew up in Krisztian. Not GonNa rip. You don't know Cherry Church. What they did was. They took a Roman Catholic interpretation. Yep they change one thing and they call themselves so they know that we didn't change it. We realize that occasion. I grew up in it so I consider nobody. Here's the thing so you talking like you're Christian I grew up in a Presbyterian so I have a little bit of talking to say this and people say no. I have a little bit of thing too because I'm Presbyterian. We didn't change it. I just find that at the end of the day no matter what happened at the end of the day. A Presbyterian church worships Jesus and they worship God and I find that the end of the day. A Catholic Church worships Mary so you chamber having Jesus and it just seems like that at the end of the day. It's not that changed anything. It's just a different part of the story saying that Mary wasn't the Miracle Jesus was and Catholics are like Nah Mary is the fucking tits. She Burg everything. I find the biggest differences are saying. Well we don't think Mary. Yeah pretty much the same religion. You're a portion of it. We neglect the portion. That doesn't mess like billy against. Yeah no you're really. I'm getting sick of you taking this like it's your religion. I grew up in it. It's mine so so what? I grew up his Christian. I'm not Christian any everyone whoever. I'm a satanist. I'm not about religion whatsoever. I don't know you know what though. Okay here's the thing. At the end of the day I was going to have a random Sure we are. It's seems to be turning into that way. But I've said this. One Hundred Times on the podcasts that I will defend religion to my dying breath just just because I believe that the fact that I grew up in church home gave me a very good set of morals. He's not even listening. Oculus ready to. But but here's the thing. Here's the fans pay patriotic. And now what show billy to last breath. You do not believe any that should now so let's choke me. I'll I'll give you a car. I'm not many of the plants us as Christmas. Are a sign of fertility symbol of fertility. Everything I'm GONNA fucking murder. You like their symbolism zone fertility so the evergreen tree and I've said this in a lot of different traditions. There is a lot of fertility the bunny rabbit and fucking Easter is meant to fuck as much as you can until you can keep the seed going fuck on Easter. We need to do Easter Easter. Okay we're talking about the buddy. I'm as yes. Certainly any fought to keep the population going. Ooh And the mistletoe holly with its prequel leaves white flowers and red berries symbolize the male reproductive urge. Cool weird this is based on like sex. It really is in fact in the English carols the holly is the male and the IVY is the female. Oh this is used on plans which is most likely burrowed by or like. It was pretty much symbolized by Christians along with other customs of Romans. Senate Talia Saturday. Oh fuck they call it because it's Saturnalia is pronounce it but it's based on old traditions. That he took from other traditions. You WanNa get in Santa Cat scan. The sand is getting into the German stuff. That those are towns are fucked tally signs of losing me. We're Romans and Italians but like almonds top Italy Rome as our favorite morbidly obese. I'm diagnosed diabetic. Trespasser as these diagnosed everyone knows he is actually a bastardisation. No He's a bachelor of the Dutch Cinta Clause Cinder clause which actually was a bachelors ation of Saint Nicholas The holier than thou Turkish bishop for whom the icon was actually name. The actual saint was not in fact famous for making public appearance and shopping malls. He wasn't there giving you present their even shopping malls back then. No the point is it's a joke. Based on that fact we bay Santa Claus all this shit and that. I've always said that. Santa Claus is kind of pedophilia novel. We Bay Santa Claus on for the kids based on Saint Nicholas which came from the Dutch version. Yeah but I've center club. It's not for the for the shopping mall appearances and should be canes for the kids manage just to make the kids. Happy that that came in I was like then keep up the sheriff kids happy. It makes them fucking static. Yeah harding in. Having her blunt your children sit on your lap in wish for things as an old man with a white beard. Seems a little bit of had already blocked. But why you're thinking you're a kid noble. What care just like thinking those same things so let me start from the beginning okay? There's a guy who has claws right and he makes toys in the North Pole and he gives them tonight kids. So when you see Santa Claus you're gonNA sit on his lap and you're just going to tell them what tweet won't because you've been a good kid. I'm sure there's a story to keep talk me pass holders Santa Claus. I would like a bicycle or whatever the toy was popular at the time. I'm sure it goes back to like a wooden horse. I agree so they know Santa Claus is listening and he goes back to. The Yeltsin. Says fucking Timmy. Wants a wooden horse. You No this is the fact that we have our children sitting on Mall Santas laps now like I'm sure. Senate symbol centers imagine the eighties man measuring the eighties. Weren't psych. Y'All Santa Cruz and I'm like I'm back in the FUCKING SMOKING CIGARETTES. Smoking cigarettes and stricken straight fucking vodka getting paid for it. He's not there to fuck the children. Tom I'm not saying he's not about that. Show these they're gonNA put his bone on the children. Oh My fucking God I am so again. I can't believe it. The actual can go wherever he known this crazy. So the real Santa Claus not for like having shown at the mall says lap and pace on his pants or whatever appearing at shopping. I saw Dr Bad Santa rather he was known for throwing purses of gold into a man's home into the cover of night so the man wouldn't have to sell his daughter into prostitution case. Oh He's a good guy. Yeah through a gold through his window so was his daughter. Wouldn't have to fuck so your pores shit. Okay folks. Here's some goals you're lying. He's not a pedophile such Adagio. I like the Dutch Dutcher. My man these stories all the bases story so back then. Christmas wasn't getting just an xbox like pollution through it was A. You don't have to become a you. Don't have to become filthy whore well. It could be argued that basic. Well it could be argued that this is basically makes Nicholas the anti pimp. Yeah that's fine you the opposite of a pimp but in Germanic traditions industrial Santa Claus was there to lecture like this seventeenth eighteenth century. He was like so like. You're so poor. Let's not sell your twelve year old daughter to some guy two Falker. Let's off through gold down your chimney and governor Chris Murphy Fuck Man now my student. GonNa Prostitution but I'm going to spend the song gambling like okay. That's the parents now. We can't believe Santa Claus for that. He tried to help. I am so happy. You're here for this. I couldn't imagine arguing with Tom. But it was by myself and newly christianized areas slander. Saint Nick Satan. Is You know uh Senate Santa Clauses and I know the Nanogram proceeding but you're just talking about how he's helping people say he'd be like. Hey I bet you have to put your twelve year old girl in prostitution have. This was back in the days. When like wasn't a bad guys when laws even existed this back way back in the day homes homes come on it was newly Christianized areas the Pagan cal. Catholics and GERMANIC cults renamed strong legends of the God. Roden so like if you go back into. Walden who he was could be argued. That was the basically who he was was blended into various Christian saints. Saint Nicholas was one of those so they took all Germanic traditions and blend them into one. Okay there were also Christian areas were San Nicolas ruled alone in other locations. He was assisted by Pagan dark helper. The slave that he inherited the peg in God roden and other remote areas. Engine pockets of the old religions. Here the dark helper ruled alone sometimes. Like so we're told him on campus campus so sometimes the dark helper would be cramps or be a dark version of Saint Nicholas. There isn't that the end of the day. They said that cramp is was the real good guy. He was the one that try to make kids. Actually behave with Santa Claus. Actually just gave toys no matter. What and cramp was the guy that says. I will beat. You're fucking as if you don't behave with wooden stick so he's the one actually trying to yeah. Crap is the guy that said like new misbehaved. Cramp is came after you. He's like I'm GonNa make you a good kid so cramps is the real hero. Santa Claus like everyone gets honestly. I don't even like horror movies and I love Christmas. Movies is a good move. Yeah good movie. I don't think I've watched that one really. We washed it on that episode. Probably did I probably shouldn't of course right. Oh Yeah we did occur one. You forgot I did. I hear the dark help or ruled alone in some certain traditions. Like a cramp issued rule alone. Sometimes it confusing manner because people would think he was Saint Nicholas or Santa Claus using the cover name of Saint Nicholas or clause without any changing changing is threatening pain fern Claude appearance this figure later used by artist. Nast in the model of early American Santa Claus Yeah one latam their Santa's helper was also everything. Yeah cramps right so later. Martin Luther a German professor and the Fifteenth Century Not Martha Kane Martin Luther Inventors Own Christmas symbol was his name was Christa King as a reflection of all things that are Catholic. So what was that symbol? Which is Santa Claus Cross? Change it yes okay. So made made him the Fat Jolly Guy Yes. Is that the guy that made him eventually came up. A far far by the gays to all Christian symbols is Christian was Clinton can which I think. It's German where Clinton cling as portrayed as a bon radiant vile vile child. So he's cleese declaring so it was a child yes figure he was also figure with Golden Wings wearing a F- flowering white robe and sparkling jeweled crown and carried a small Christmas tree or wind so in these traditions Wand Yeah Clinton on most older like style. Santa's have that big a staff staff now. Let's take a both parts. Yeah like talking about. I've never seen I've seen that live. Close John Really. Yeah so guy would like care around Wanda which is pretty funny or being. You're a staff like and you know you see back in the days with staff some staff as bad as in Holland and several other European countries Saint Nicholas figure is still highly esteemed. He appears at tall dignified. Bearded white haired old man as Razz Catholic bishop complete with cloak in pastoral staff. Big Big staff back a seemingly genuine Catholic saint but with bizarre and quite on sanely habits of riding through the skies and white horse open sleigh followed by his dark helper which I guess would have been kind of krant campus. You seem that are Catholic. Saint inherited some of these customs from Pagan God. Roden who also was bearded white haired. Old Man also addressed with the white hat and cloak and carried a staff or sometimes spear so this is based on like very old traditions in. Roman tradition stuff for like a Guy. Uoted was the God. Odin but sometimes in different religions especially in Iceland conditions. Either road in or Odin it was. It was different. That's why you have the authority. All these things that are going on with fucking stupid marvel so and they saw the difference is the same thing he dragged along the same dark slave helper. On a chain is on cramp is. It's like in certain traditions especially in certain hall in traditions and he would care around a slave but in some would just be like his helper and others who would be slave on a chain makes Santa. Look really You know this is Santa this a Santa. Just picking a rain. You're my bitch come here. You're my slave was the slave doing then if it's not like Kristen Hall in Traditions. There were the one delivering the presence. So what's he doing? Like what's what's the slave doing war he's doing. Whatever Santa want some do suck my Dick. The Dud similar so is based holiday tradition which are the Dutch so the Dutch Santa Claus brings gifts to good children while the badge children are harassed by the dark helper. So that would be. I GUESS ESSENTIALLY CRAMPS RIGHT OKAY. But they called him swats. Pr or black. Pete Oh my fucking God showed up here. Lupin right now sounds really hope you're listening. I know a black peer. And he's French and he's from Montreal. And that's so fucking funny. So they call them. Black Pete and Black Pete brandished a broom like raw like Santa Claus. Cinder clause also. This is the tradition. Cynic also had the habit of energy people's homes the chimneys his helper. Black Pete is still today. Horned fur-clad scary and less than kind to children. So he's like crampy cramp is. Yeah yeah and I was like Senator Clauses Helper was his guy that would like whip you. His name is Black Pete. How racist a lot more scared getting by black P plug? Piedmont actually hurt me. I don't think it's implying that he's black. I think it says Pauline. Maybe he's such. So maybe that isn't his face is black. Because of the soot from chimneys African American did same same Z's although portrayed as a slave of the helper of Saint Nicholas. The two are very different in some cultures and many villages. It's blended sometimes a one character so you would have Santa Claus and some villages as the nice guy but we also have black. Pete that will beat you with fucking iron rods but also conditions. It'd be same person so this Guy Saint Nicholas also brings you presence but he also beat you with fucking fucking read slaps you and so it's also blend into one who often is named Nicholas or clause. That's Santa Claus is blended with and close claus. Santa Claus Santa Claus and one or the other and the Koso- and some traditions. The old man Saint Nick himself might be Satan giving kids those matter. How ACT SO? It's blending religion within tradition. So these are hauling hall in tradition so like certain like Dutch people. Believe IN WEIRD SHIT. So it's kind of blending all these traditions into one. So you have black Pete but also could be black Pete Santa He'd be his slave helper but also in different cultures. They blend in one. So Santa is black beaten SAN IN ONE. So according to legend sprung out of the ground with little blinking lights and Tin Foil on the branches. Why do we decorate trees? Because they're festive and it's funded everything enjoyable. I don't know why we do but I like it. It's fine as them. Yeah I wasn't getting married here to two trees now. Why can't you kid? You have to trees anyways. Marriages expensive just tired. Trees are not that expensive. We decorate trees as far back as the sixteenth century when people in Germany. Usually decorated trees with apple's really. Yeah mom used to do the to dry. Apple's really weird lafley slice them you drive in this. Like just an apple slice. Yeah but you slice the whole apple not like a piece. You're GONNA eat like like you're dissecting the apples the main center. Oh so the core and everything. So you're just using the core hanging corns. Not just the core but the whole round apple straighten have straight down from the Senate. Oh how interesting winner okay. Dried out in a hangs from the tree like ornaments. That is just a bunch of slices. Awards your MOM's fanny background. Come from choose adopted so I don't know why that I'm curious. That's that's very. That's very funny of why you might even did those traditions in general. I don't think it's a tradition. I just think no popcorn kernels on trees. I think that's more is that. Is that an thing popcorn kernels like I've seen that four people think I can not that poor but we definitely did that once I think. That's what a tradition wasn't like depression times and stuff so they use popcorn because it was so i. Do I go the movie theaters? I gave myself a large bag of popcorn. And then I take some fucking thread. The needle and I- Spirit through a bunch of popcorn and hanging on my trees it's like and then while I'm sitting there and I'm drunk. I'm just like e Na Tom's hooked realize those. You're just doing three sixties. According to legend and tradition we can only assume stem from some Crooked tree salesman who ran out of apple trees of this year that he would admit it other decorations including nets and cheeses which again appeared and the same salesman testing the gullibility of his clients. So like at this time when people will start decorating the trees the one guy was like your shit hang apples on the tree and the thing was like cam out of apple so. Y- Oh do you guys got like peanuts? Put some peanuts a string. I've seen the peanut string ones. Yeah you're totally right because peanuts Annapolis. I'm making a joke. Is the fact that like all this shit seems to be put into place like it's marketing no guarantee all the stuff. That's the Christmas today is more. Is your belly showing his belly but the same guy like a guy brought this tradition to America and the eighteenth century and when we say guy we barely know who was a German immigrant. Name Augusta's immigrant. Who was the first to stick little candy canes on it on a tree and he put the Star on top of the tree also so one German do was like. Y'All that looks good. Looks that looks noise. And he put a certain traditions to stuck in our culture and keeping it going for some reason you guys are both pay attention to some fucking movie whatever. German strand of mental imbalance caused him to do this. This guy spurred spur of the moment idea now. Lee prevails of the imagery of Christmas. Every imagery in everything you have about. Christmas is like this one guy was like so. If you take an apple cut in half you string and she always good. Hey No popcorn. Popcorn ready have trees in their homes though or jazzy. But they did but he was influenced. Janette yeah there. Were just technically decorated with like apples and like popcorn and like light happy with that. Turn into though it turned into you decorated with your kids. Third Grade Champion and he decorated it with with all their symbolism. I how I feel about Christmas. I really don't turn fucking love it because of the newer fucking do. I've always been kind of like Christmas but Mitch got me more into it but we can go on and on about the different Christmas traditions and what it could be with without this dude. What if these certain traditions but when it comes a little timmy that runs down the stairs for Christmas presence? Man Fight at least it's not human sacrifice anymore. Yeah Tokay because you're right game back in Roman and the concern dramatic traditions. They would sacrifice people and burn them into fires around Evergreen trees and that was kind of based on their traditions. So it's like I duNno. I A game I guess I enjoy the holidays but do I enjoy seeing some of my family. I don't know but no we all fucking hate half our family and if you there's dotted like I fucking and uncles. I'm sorry I hate you all your all fucking two of you guys and twenty two. Why do you like Christmas so much? I just had a good childhood in Christianity. It's exciting tradition going in my house. Christmas good time for me and my cats once I have kids doing mean once I started having kids going to be a nice time for them to me and my cats all have a good time. It's just when you're not all you got all the things going on your life Christmas time to like you know slow down and be a kid getting excited and she alone have a few drinks in front of your like fake fireplace with your lights on mean. Why can't I have a real fire skin? It's gotTa be faked wearing ghetto hood. We're in low middle class here. We got fake snow like those ones that the electronic like those those I usually just honestly I swear to God I remember three. Christmases were put on the channel the TV with the fireplace fireplace channel. That's good. This is the time to unwind. It's good last Christmas when we at my girlfriend's Dad's house and he brought up this expensive whiskey Tequila and you kept handing me shots off another win all of another one. I came home and we also had a bottle of whiskey and then I was playing songs and I was like. I'm taking a shot till I find the song I want and I was plastered. My girlfriend can't attest to this. I was like done but I do. I do enjoy the family TIME DRINK IN HANGING BUDDIES. But isn't it just the time of year though you just looking at here too? It's it's like they good thing among oldest far. Yeah no everywhere. What else winter. Snowboard snowboarding fucking. But okay billy wins lesson. You went snowboarding like four months ago. I I don't believe he has to go do those scores he's lives Mrs learning with bringing New Brunswick can shut the fuck. Fuck why am I lying on my Aligarh you do? I don't do you're a liar. Christmas breaks the wintertime is right in the middle of the coal. Halfway there. I hate fucking cold weather ran. Christmas is your you know what I mean. Europe free from the cold. I like when it's always snow in always called if there was tons of snow and always called good. Put as now it's rush. She gets call the ice when you're a kid and you could suit up in your snow soon. Be Like Your Book Snow Fort. Because I was a kid. There was a lot more snow than now so much more so much. More Groping Thunder Bay. I there for less than my dad's from really so we lived there for Norlin from Branford stuff like oh they're due back in the though there was a load smoke here. Yeah I'm reading the coast He had a fucking So things that have the spikes Becca porcupine hit a as a pet. And this dude fucking built us a fucking IGLOO. Like out front of my house like helped us again. I was a kid build an Igloo Snow Ford and it was the dope the porcupine guys were ranting. Yeah yeah is it time for time for them. Picture knocked booths okay. 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Entry 31  Ed Corrie  reflections from Junior to ATP career

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Entry 31 Ed Corrie reflections from Junior to ATP career

"Welcome back to another entry into my tennis Journo. My name is Chris Sitter. If you're new to the show welcome thanks very much for joining us and It's been a little bit of a while now. Actually I think the tenth of April. We're in the middle of the pandemic fiasco crisis going around the globe at the moment. And I've actually coincidentally had decided to take a bit of a break for two or three months on social media and making podcasts and so on needed to decompress for various different reasons and but we got a lot of time in her hands at the moment so I thought right now is the time to get people on the show and talk about what they do. Today's episode is with ex professional tennis player Ed corry from UK Fantastic guy really strong emerging coach and for the pleasure of his company on of course the last seven or eight months and he really can have struck a chord with me in terms of how genuine authentic he is In the show we talk about everything really from his journey into competitive tennis traveling abroad. The can of learning experiences he had and we go all the way through his career through into being a fulltime player than going on to college at University of Texas Reaching Career. High of two one five highs. What Lewis were is. Opinions are on certain eighty and tennis and we have some goods can a deep dives a few subjects so a really cool guests to listen to so hope you enjoy it. And I'm just going to pass you over to Ed corry. Welcome Ed corry. Thanks so much for being another entry in my tennis journal Virtually we. I suppose we should start with. Actually this is the first time I'm attempting to record the video of this as well so if you are more into visually learning then this will be up on Youtube by the time. You're listening to it now. And if you're watching on. Youtube applaud cashew as well. Go AND CHECK IT OUT. And so as opposed we should start almost at the end of your playing career so if you could give an overview of your professional playing career as a professional playing career. I guess it's Slotnick Greg considering It started pre university university in Texas But I guess from so seventy nineteen started flying some futures call filings and things around Britain. Stay but definite- travelled some before university as well as at the national sights up across unit Twain's and the N. T. Defend it was reasonably experience And then that continued in the summers of university time getting a lot futures in an untrusting might argus in that area I guess in honest guy or the butts I guess yes thought an honest unit which was at the beginning of two thousand twelve and then was fortunate enough to ply keep it going for six and a half years from age of twenty three to thirty And just stopped applying full time in the summer of Twenty eight and just for the people that like the rankings and all that sort of stuff what was your career. Highest on singles singles was two hundred and fifty doubles forty two and titles numbers of titles impression I guess I'm one one. Seven singles futures talks does quite a few upscale twenty twenty plus the area for five ish. Yeah think couple of challenge double stars. Who's a final semi final singles challenges? So yeah they're doing pretty well doing pretty well so I'd like to is almost go back in peace. That journey together because you mentioned quite an interesting. Where'd you use? The Grey agree was the word you use to describe a can of time. And that's almost like when you first expedience professional tennis versus when you felt it began properly. Maybe is the word that the accident. What going off because you know tennis as Americanisms you going pro. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah definitely so. Let's go back to your. Let's say when tennis became competitively? Cds What Age were you when you start to. Travel may be cited the country Yeah I distinctly remember the first international travel. Trent Lott went on when I was eleven years old on that was with the LCI the GB trick of Tebessa to Begerow's Academy for for Training Camp Sunday tried to count on that one really spring smart. Because yeah could go into that if you look at it and it was a funny one because my parents had arranged massive family holiday for us Longtime adviser we're going to get up to Florida Disneyworld. Two brothers by tennis and stuff She is always said. This holiday was largely find around. Modern brother would have been seventeen tom now. Much interest against Disney wealth yet less straight on Benson selected uninvited on this national trip of the festival. That knows earl and all that I don't remember my mom's actually it was while of those. Sit Down moments you know. Sent me down sharply this letter and I remember feeling incredibly proud even at is like wow you know ruin site of I literally what? Gee what a great. I'm just looking forward to that. Whole could so long and decided to go on his cam and then Yet just the emotional struggle of that obviously have good experiences some He's you know that stuff was really challenging emotionally for an eleven year having to dial in the long number on the pipeline to call outs American. Some cool calm mama got over there and all that stuff on the side of that. Hearing about the stories you're even worse was That was an intense stop Somalia travel. But that's why I know hours And then I guess it paints off from that stocks some of the European events as it eleven twelve year old got the pleasure of saying Murray. Mariana champion I went and then bombing out in Cali Feingold year year younger than Andy. Is that right? Yeah Younger Andrea. Two years younger than me was quite. Yeah so that is on twelve hundred fourteen years around Europe which. I'm sure of log your listeners. Will now those guys pretty prolific? So Yeah Yeah. They did pretty well under fourteen issues. Not even attempt to step into just just observe and what what did that feel like for. Maybe a twelve thirteen year old. Then because there's one of the things that I've a sort of a lot over the last twelve to fifteen years. Is that Andy? We reached such a high level that in some ways the gap between him and not maybe so much in the last five years because of Kyle down in Cameron into a neighbor for so many years. The gap between number one and number two was huge. What was that junior on the scene? Those initial international trips for rail challenge struggle for me when I look back. Basically just wasn't good enough Uncoupled with finding mentally quite challenging. I just begging Broaden Bang Eleven or twelve and even as you as you get older experience some of these environments. Different lenses experienced pyro. Now coach me stays on the young ones that seemed so relaxed. Eleven twelve is fond. Dying on stuff is caught. It can be intimidating. Environments is that been to the the top players already have an oar forty that ego I and and I guess looking back it was. It was difficult because I was one of the better. Gb Pies so consistently in the top three or four my age doing well in domestic events and said the natural progression of that time was so of the top one or two three guys and gals with go across his European events. I wasn't actually good enough of those losing losing law and it became eventually was done on another event on site coupled with the coaches humanize trips the year before with That giant runs of other top lies. Time on the CADDO has to log is a lot matches in some of the guys have much handle that situation but it was. It was actually in hindsight at the time. It was funny. Good good areas to it but if it probably was a little bit scour overall confidence took a number of years the law trips to get to the point where fifteen six statement starting to level out on the call on those international trips on naturally next set and get some results. So did you feel there that you were that. Your tennis wasn't as good as it could have been when you were twelve thirteen or did you feel you were underperforming combination. Check the probably of the prophecy. Whatever you ca combining to each other. I don't think I was good enough to play with the best spies in Europe. And if you're of you'll probably remember the Signed genevieve in the European Coming up against top talent. I wasn't as good as them yet. And maybe nervous as well and just struggling with Angola denies challenges. But I think Cat The we spoiler back than the level I mean at first round qualifying love. Yeah the it's an interesting one because we spoke the other day about trying to find ways of. Let's say still being professional with junior players but almost lightning the mood of training and the intensity or any expectation stuff at that and so. Can you remember any? Did you voice that opinion to anyone when you were that age or was this? Oh hindsight's reflection that's a good question. No I probably didn't go. I sit necessarily courageous enough of that. I'm sure all of the experience coaches taking may apply on the trip for whether where we're doing the best times would have been doing a good job. I remember you know. There's still moments in Iowa. Found my tennis. Invite some good stuff? And and trips were enjoyable It was just that the competition Paul I think than just failing like a little bit behind the eight ball Because of the contrast is difficult position for those currencies Deciding on the systems is on coming back and winning the crown of the weekend events for the best in the country and doing farmer the year above as well and then I will wedge Of Competition is yeah. It's a tough one because they you alluded to earlier. I kind of have this a just a theory. That the difference between let's see last sixteen and semi-finalist is is huge in mentality. So if you let you say the Sandy Jamie. Were cleaning up across the junior Events under fourteen. Of course you'd it and if you think of the use the word Swag for seven years old and I'm using that you know they do have a bit of swagger bite them that the players that are consistently Sammy finalists and finalists. If you then take that every level I think it's the same so if you take the top pro guys that you know you've been around them a lot more than me and it would be the same. Let's see the level if every if you're a regular semi final and beyond their and then the challenge level then the two levels of there's just different aura. Bite them and and I've met quite a few players that have been. Let's say around that sixty to one hundred eighty P R WTI and they think they're relatively rubbish. Yeah because they are sixteen in the world and they are exactly. They knew that realistically is doing well. Maybe in your to fifty or let me know. And they're not getting to the latter part so I think that that's the point really is that I think is coaches. We have to be mindful of that and try and take that out of the equation especially for juniors. It's like literally focus on your game at the time and where it could go. And that's why isn't interested if the coach be involved in any of that? I think I think looking back. I'd have been moss electable out of like those around me to be a bit more selective with which events you go into and what you let. Let's because of that can be. You can leave scar tissue if you just going to the next top event and losing an Chris Boden an old as events Men and women Seventeen the welcome. Have losing records yet. Yeah that one's finding matches. That's not an enjoyable a feeling for tennis. Regardless of exactly and then I had a conversation with a patent say a few weeks back who had suggested that a task for their kid which was when all this stuff start. I suppose we should say what in the middle of the couvet. It can kiss anyone's watching this next year but the I'd suggested why don't you get them to do some research on a player ranked between maybe sixty five and one hundred win. Loss percentage is luke back at their scheduling and imagine being them traveling to South America. And losing I Ryan traveling to Defy Eastern losing second right you know that whole thing and it worked in some sense because the kid was being particularly hard about not winning all the time and it's a but it had a back I would say a detrimental effect because the payment then said it's fine. You can win as much as you can and I was like no no. That's not what is wanting to come out with. It was a focus on developing your game and don't focus on win loss and all that sort of stuff so it's interesting that the next stage of your journey if you like was that going into like a national academy fourteen data yet so then from progression of that that was happening during Sunday's road trips from eighteen stops at one of the National Academy side at that time they had just introduced four of them around the country causing boss and lanes. I believe was the one in causing so yes started the And that was the first say really shifted into appropriate kind of professional junior programs. Having been doing it full bought with jumping out school regulating. The relations was school was selected. Had the relationship with the academy and yeah absolutely loves the environment Down to the ground that was essentially school in the morning. And then one says announce known your off of his guzzling to tennis five of seven tennis unfitness archive and I was boarding at school. Get Food is already co time in training environment with things going on traveling abroad and trying to get better that and say what was the age range of the players that you were training with so you thirteen. What did he go up to? Yes I think because it was the first year that I started to do Areas OF PLAZA location towards. Those kind. Mom was actually just six three three guys who can nineteen tonight so my year the belie so I was one of the older ones knows a real small group to coach is James. Vincent Davis said she come high slow down the beginning as while he was consultancy Rome. Sarah Hilton on. The fitness sought some at great You love it of some stuff and and it was fun. I guess unfortunate but the guys who so good guys on Gaza goal with right so just never felt like you know some challenges of Plas- groups of you're just gripe silent. Yeah cracking up the small great. Yes and the did you think just based on what we've talked about so far and you think it helped with you being. Let's say metaphorically one of the older players at a time when you may maybe suggesting it a little bit scar tissue in soon. Yeah I think well. Yeah maybe interestingly now with the knowledge haven't experienced I have is looking back at it and you might be looking at of foam. Assad is that that competitive Hours away always a good practice serving Triton and proving game An lacy is probably myself from that. Definitely had the actual performance Match flying side where we spent more of my time in later years. Probably I'm thinking some of these habits carrying that So yeah never always thrived in that training environment and in those years of men a couple years off to joined on Jones and With him and his academy because Follow James Dunton moved into coaching at the National Academy moved without followed him not really having some of the the trading lessons on a mob To what God the myself. So it was not always the guests the bedrock of me as a plant and then it was trying to continually the bits on the match call. Yeah the again Sam. You've worked with some fantastic coaches so this is an absolutely new way a slight on them at all but I do feel there's an opportunity for the same amount of let's say work ethic or application to be applied at the tournaments but in a different sense. You know in just a work ethic but the expediencies off learning how to compete when you're at tournaments verses that so many juniors that say the same things like I practice better than I compete and you say well you need to therefore practice competing kind of almost what we talked about in terms of learning. How learning how to have a work ethic or learning how to be professional and but also learning how to be professional competitor. I think there's perhaps a bit too much labeling that goes on like they're just a natural match player and the don't train too hard or they're just trained really hard and you do. It compete so you know. I think we need to address that balance. Yeah I couldn't agree more. I think yeah the time and time and effort around the young people design Formative years guess of playing with some of those ideas on how to not fight for the Yourself and talked about recently is just fun engaging with some of those emotionally challenging things in compensation but also inherently difficult about that. Is You get a loss of time and Opportunity to work with those coaches in the trading environment. Yeah well that that's always the thing I used to say to coach. Is that when we were us? Horrible expression back in the day but when we were in the thick of travelling around various different parts of the world legitimate heirs we. We prided ourselves on making sure that we were doing a good body of work at the tournaments because we perhaps in Scotland didn't have the luxury of having big programs with lots of hours lots of cores and therefore when we went to tournament it was almost like right now. God we've got the kids fourteen hours a day for seven days in a row. It was unbelievable opportunity so I think the irony of our situation wars that we probably did more on the match police side because we had the time with the players. That's why your time whilst. Yeah and a. That's just hindsight now. But when you're doing it you do realize all the stuff on charting in filming in reviewing and video announces for nothing back to some of the video analysis we did back in the day it was on something called Silicon coaching. It costs about twelve hundred quid. And now you can get out for free on an APP. It's crazy what we what we are having to pay for. But I do think you know the the more I think about these things. I do believe there's a lot more learning could be done on the road. Rally actually what you say you take the heat off someone who is feeling. I'm my dad's this is just a learning experience it. Let's just have fun away? You're meant throw in school the Urine Barcelona your of wherever it's just such an opportunity to learn and there's such a long journey that why put the pressure on us. Thirteen year old twin. It could be another ten years before you technically become a career professional. Yeah exactly and it's all SPA is largely as well as the feedback touches. Were what coming for me? You couldn't Block a couple of weeks on the specific thing go I like they come back and I would say. I was reasonably good evening. A An overall review of of what went what went on. But there's no way can be accurate and say something. Irks me at the moment? Is that an. I understand why it's done. But the the lack of video that we can get from tournaments now because of safeguarding and so on so hundred percent that has to be in place. But if you're talking about filming the entire court for Tactical analysis you can't. It's becoming harder and harder to do that so therefore we're relying on either. The players feedback say. Teenagers are typically quite difficult to get a great feedback. It's always black and white or the parents are we maybe have to train the parents to be analyzers have to disconnect the emotion that or we have to try and get coaches to travel more with the players which may be we can speak about a little bit too late it on. So you mentioned earlier the Queen's expedience before you went to university so that describe that for us yes. That was the the next progression. I guess I think Two or three years with the national academy that on the islands for a year or two and I guess does a selection element to offer the agencies. Try with national sets out more on the adult side that Which was which used to be acquaintance before the national census built in two thousand seven Joined the a squad with Karch and really then. Anos A fulltime says five for the first time so that coincided with finishing g sissies Then went fulltime and did just wanted a correspondence course. Fan Diners Inco's sending things back and forth back in the day. So I guess that's the state of technological is not logging now completely guys to send off a nail so yes so then joined Queens and they had a pretty good setup whether had a housing families that were funding. The accommodation side started with the family in Putney during this one item on the side which again an onsite young everything I was pretty much student. Abedin Minimum As a means to an end to keep mine a few challenge ability for the states And yet in China sets up there and starring Supply Makes Juniors and and teaches events one so well one of two quite serious injuries in my second loss year agenda. So I'm the seventeen out a stress fracture that come out some six or seven months of not result venture in how mine by Salah Double AUSE DEFECT IN L. Five of my backs. That was six seven months of out and Rehab came which definitely stung at the time The pain was so cool period I've been luckily even a wildcard into major. Junior Wimbledon was going to be my best ginny grandson experience in the draw and we were practising for two days in advance over Ryan's Tong and the pay was really quite extreme that my couch said parents When would add starts no that Wednesday women in Dr Already High Standard? Scans quickly all that stuff did it? Let me play in the park of my dad. Had the diameter of the play slowing yet. The this is genuinely curious because there are lots of people that listen to this from various different parts of Burlington last countless fifty two different countries that people would listen to the show from so. And you're seeing Queens club and people will pitcher Queens Club Stella Artois Tournament and for an outsider even in the UK. The might think full-time training squad at Queens. Because all they see is the grass course. So could you describe what it was light training? But where did you train a what? What was the training like to try? Numerous cut away from that image of the Leafy Saas London. Yeah exactly so yeah. It's the same location is and our will cost is beautiful Roscoe in some Nice's getting to try and so the at the fact that you're coming from buyers station too much detail about his new essentially two indoor courts at the back with Jim Chinese rooms and some vizier spice applies lounge very small training varmints then was the National Tennis Centre essentially So I guess they and Queens Arrangement Agreement of some sort that that spice was hours. to try and then at times if there was a law supplies in Wade so of us. Some of the courts are not how the teachers that data what outweighed governs. The actual Queens Club unused somebody. Don't call it and when the weather was good we on the outdoor clay Again that was sharing relationship with essentially walk. They elsia hat for the national training out was to Indo Hongkou Small Gym Change Rooms and yes enthusiast. And what would you say to play? Devil's advocate to anyone out there. You cannot develop hard working grits a tennis players from Queens Club. I don't believe that that does not we'd be the perception people would say at such a soft environment. H- how was your environment? Well Yeah I mean the. You didn't feel like your an acquaintance festival is so you walk through it and go with a mannequin loans. Everyday and then you'd be in a normal indoor tennis center. Ewa surrounded by applies in the country on Organ remember about coming in and out of the On the men's tug greg trying to hit was head on the rights guys about mate inside your that with Is in a way. It's good because you're so exposed. Smaller Environment As seventy nineteen year old unintelligent level. Y off those guys as soon as you walk in saying. I'm trying you're right next to in the gym and there was a really good watching kind of closed environment. I think it's something that annoys me slightly when people label or have a perception of a place based on some fantasy world if seen on TV and people jumped all sorts of conclusions but at the end of the day you see tennis courts seven to eight feet. Long thirty six feet wide It doesn't matter where it is if you're working hard you're working hard so and it was interesting. You know you touched on on already. They will idea about this your first food time or first time you expedient professional tennis when it was around two thousand five think and that really the way you mentioned earlier donors it didn't really start until two thousand and twelve. So what are your thoughts on the idea of people going full time? You know. I mean it's like you said it's a statement that people make is like I'm full time like I have heard people say that and I knew level they got to. I was fulltime tooting. Prue and I'm not. You didn't even make her points. They were trying on. The futures tour. Didn't even have point. So what were your thoughts on that? Yeah thank ask a question. I think you are a full-time fire is what you're doing with your son just as literally speaking as that knowing me. I think there's a clear distinction between I guess it is almost what you wrap up in the woods professional you know. Are you a pro player? Are you operating a trading in a professional environment freshman schedule by yourself? No those ways. I guess at that age. Should I guess the gray area was? I wasn't fully committed to adult professional tennis tournaments happening. still some some academics. And yes so I guess because my injuries while that got a slow things down but That said it was kind of reflecting on. How did your first question is? I was buying food time. Probably tennis before when unique Last year once my levels back then you could remain eligible for American University with one year out of education and I was trying a full futures schedule but just note during that went out to the states who had around the thousand about a coin Nineteen again rented. Well enough that when you're in a in a national sets up with with plies on your own the two one two three hundred and the world not well So yeah here's this then post unique. I guess as well I WOULD. I would add in I. I made the conscious decision off university. I want to continue in this profession excited to do it myself and I was old enough to know what that meant under of ownership over where it was still in the teen years the dream I wanted to really yeah I think that's still The the thoughts I had is that I was always struck by the words that Judy used of a lot of time in different settings but she would always kind of think about like one step ahead for for the boys and I'm sure she won't mind me saying this because she says it all the time but she had to help or understand the or prepare the boys for a light. The life and business is of being a professional player and the more ice off. Tonight I just thought I don't think we have systems to form of the word but we don't have a process where we literally help players learn. What the life and business of being a professional player is now. That's not criticism anyone's just a fact and if you think of let's see if tennis was a trade you know like a joiner plummer plastic wherever anyone that goes through an apprenticeship in a trade. It's all underpinning stuff that gets done first and then the learn how to actually operate in that real world so it feels a little bit like that's why college tennis is now a viable option for people not because it prepares them for the life of being professional but at their ass stage in their life. Where the understand it without even being on it they're just got better perspective and so on and just the way the the American cars up universities in general is setup some periods massive present just gives you an opportunity says I play with it is not be Orlando. You know. You're going to get back to union in September and so it doesn't fail as used. You can get a ten futures strong feel for what it is that was definitely some notes started time futures is to get to become good friends with a lot of the UNI boys is. They have really clear unmotivated on clear them why they were doing it. They made the decision. A Niwa. Had that freshness and excitement of of being there twenty two twenty. Three as you've been going since seventeen is that's now a long long time you've been OPPA is such. I see that all the time as well if you think about the let's see nowadays it's even earlier. The people start their journey. As one of the reasons I went into coach education actually because when I reached a point where the player where she can win full-time and I couldn't commit to doing it like I was traveling with her. Because we were starting for a family and so on and but I wanna Domo Sir metaphorical Sabbatical. Because I had to go back and go. What do I want to do now with my career and that PD timeless when many tennis it exploded and all of a sudden it was like going back to five year olds instead of typically. It might be nine or ten year olds and I thought there's no way I'm going to spend thirteen years to get someone from five to eighteen to not even the star of the journey. If they want to be a professional I would. I would suggest that what you're talking about that. Twenty one twenty two twenty three years almost like when you could start to become a used a real life term at jobbing professional. Mean if we're you know a lot of people when you say you're not full time professional. They think that what I'm seeing is. You're not you're unprofessional. Say No I'm not saying that I'm saying that you if you're a professional in a business sense it means that you at least pay your way. You know that kind of thing. So it's difficult to do that in tennis. Experience Your Employment Data. Yeah so the twenty you must be numerous twenty-three who knew left. Yeah I think I think it was twenty three because I started probably a lights at the most would james are yet than nine four and a half years of the University of Texas which was an awesome experience. Loved that Kinda similar announced Today actually also us kind of similar when I started that National Academy period. The just went from quite narrow and fitting small knocking be questioned. Otherwise yes so much going on Attendance academic social and yet. They're not as was us with the union stuff going on into pleasant considering Everything you've basically got those three juggles academic social and tennis trying to juggle them. But you cannot be really juggle too and essentially dropping Ron. Sarah which one did you drop a constant champion intially? I've Similar three week period. You drop enough. That Ananias came out that Shit and twenty eleven and started full-time professionally Trying to twelve. Yeah and what? Do you think you what you've taught learnings from the university or the college expedients yes. Good question I mean absolutely loved the environment and I kind of thought I would have been exposed to it and traditional county stuff Cry and learn a lot from that just in terms of the team dynamics by buying each other training together bank good nights or the communication that goes along with that as you go through. The is often trying to lends itself trying to become a leader with inaccurate Definitely off that then for tennis perspective. It's a great pressure environment. I mean you confronted with crusher all the talk and you think I remember distinctly thinking when I was nineteen account white start univestity to reduce the amount of pressure on to play professionally and trying to get coins Another way reluctantly went to you. Went up eighteen of said. I didn't want to go yet. I'm keeping the option I've been because my brothers had done it until four months five months before I went. I was saying I WANNA play time. So it's kind of a backup auction to me that I'm so thankful I made the decision to do it on. About one of the one of my stories is I. The best result had was shocking loss on a futures trip in April of two thousand seven. I have accident horror show on air. Sorry confronting those. I'm not good enough for this. Get me out to American. You live from happy. I did Butts Yes I and yet on the Senate side of the pressures big Like I said despite thinking ease off because of his university and it didn't have the sign white soon as you're in the environment and the American colleges do a great job creating a real culture everything all of that then. Their athletic programs all of this ball or the unions behind everything. You can't help but get swept up in not and then just team tennis. We'll in every I'm sure a lot of people listening this have been in those county environments whether you're you know we can count saying no money. No no drama. Because you're trying to win. Yes but signs like you even just obviously if you're listening to this podcast. You can't see the facial expressions overhead but I can see is like the way you're describing even the motion of the way you're describing is the U. rules to the pressure crumbled massive times. Really Okay you just you just exposed to yeah That was brilliant. I mean like a nice little story. Example of that is is too big matches. I found myself because the tape nitro vet fuss to form with the seven matches not sure. Yeah I'm sure you're very familiar with American sets but yet can it? Can you can begun along with all singles. Zik Sing along a simultaneous thing a team effort and then suddenly all convention. It can be three all in the match knit. Come down to you which which is just funny that you don't get in regular tennis just you watch the pressures on turned up to two hundred out of rows of Noah. I had two finals of conference championships. Back to back Software second year third year my genia and a Sophomore Gyros. I think four two up in the two to win this whole big tournament which date for the big for everyone and by sitting charts and then come not. Nfo Year Same situations three on the set as different team. Same final of we add. Lay Coincidental Yukon. Help it you're in the match Lockett. Surreal on your house. This happened again. On Roaster that actually forms on and one Most enjoyable of the unique experience from just that's as Britain about it is. I'm sure if there are people listening by College Status. You can relate to those. Yeah and I think because it's relatively fixture. There's new hiding place. It's not like in a way you know you can't say right. I'm not feeling it so I'm going to withdraw into these tournaments. You almost see the year map type two. Yeah so yeah I think maybe speaker but not in a little bit about potentially. What could happen with the tennis tour after this pandemics over? Because I think there's a degree Of the openness to at least look at the calendar now because of you know we could be looking at an entire year virtually wiped out. So we know we've almost got an opportunity to reflect on that a little bit so that Sam go to your your your professional career really kicking in and you travelled overseas to law futures. Did you travel with anyone with a coach or was it with other players At the beginning most of the place and then the amount of cards so actually. I was coached by my brother. Primetime from done so twenty. Twelve came back con- another one. That was food circles things. I was back at Gaza in my start. Training at my brother was the country's coached in the country. Saying Matt Wilko's direct today. You did a great job of source for a few of facilitating ready professional environment when we went bringing many resources to the table Which hunting is is quite commented table? Around Britain on the world skilled love US oppression place that didn't reach the heights of rewards people really banning time and offense that stuff But yes we saw that at twenty twelve's Nettie futures. I think my brother came out to a handful then from two thousand. Thirteen ranking gone up bet United COMMITTED THAT OBEY. The parents simple. It's been more actually actually having said that I was able to. I guess benefit of the US caused experiences. Some of the connections over those raised of sponsorship money in those first two or three years And so yeah just start investing now on my way to Tom. Being on the road for about fifteen weeks cough tournaments normally tying around nine twenty eight Continued basically until stopped. So here's a question for. Tom told me as your brother. What of the pros and cons of being pushed by your brother. Good question I would not have been able to answer to while we we're doing. I think definitely thought about it in. Adare that question about it a little bit more since the the biggest and best of it one hundred percent is that he is in it for older out raises. The whole time. Just wanted me to become the best. I could him to develop as a coach and I was just about it and as as a team And I just felt the whole time that he was death may wanted the best moment. Yeah so you can't really ask for more than that coach by relationship. So that is I guess if you way fortunate to have really good relationships so that was kind of bad to begin with and then. I is more likely as Nathan. Some family member that that for you know guests an extension of that is the trust that you have fully a an honest Specific tennis things on how to get you on better. Dot Com fail that To sharing your deepest darkest thoughts when you're struggling under pressure matches and whatever is you can just Cheryl and likewise he can design. It can be invulnerable coach. You know I'm not sure on that I'll I'll do my best to find out Dr Another that have you. Probably no one can tell you that you know things against the downside which we've definitely affected all in light years is waiver with similar runs so we have a similar medicine processing and we'll we'll differences but will attack things in similar. Why and so. When you're really getting to the maximizing tough time when the whole punk Max Nausea It's more difficult to find those ledges. Probably Times where we're finding similar solutions and thinking that's the Ri- on so when actioning that could have been some some outside sudden consultant could not no problem I. It's an never really given that much thought. In terms of the downside of two people being similar because most people would say well that's that's ultimately a great thing which I think is to a degree but this solution thing I've never saw in terms of if you both have the same types of thought processes or systems for thinking and you both come up with the same idea that another Peter vise another personality your candidate so we'd actually go new. Consider this one. I never really considered that before team dynamics and I think we more aware of it now when just hypothesize things or you're still close and sharing ideas. Okay we've come up with this idea Unless you check your seventies at different times definitely has outside outside thoughts and theories of actually working with someone else and all that would say. Yeah that can that can be we as aware of it. Initially as at the end I think if you read Massachusetts on diversity now I have is. Is it the rebel? Or maybe I thought it was. Maybe yes maybe is. Actually the whole idea is is about diverse teams Being together and I think that something that I'm pretty sure most organizations or businesses struggle from to a degree either the have diverse teams and the view that as a challenge or conflict or whatever versus actually embracing the diversity and welcoming someone else's opinion in different characters. Actually bring something to the table. I think tennis in particular offices all I know really I knew that I think that's a huge issue in tennis is that I might bring an opinion and people are threatened by that opinion rather than actually most of the time when someone comes to me with an opinion. I'll go actually. That's a pretty. I never thought that before and I might. Even sometimes I might react defensively in the moment but then I always reflects in hindsight and so on. But it's it's not something I've given massive thought to in terms of clear coached relationship at that level. So it's a one for me. I was just thinking it is odds you know whenever would reach out to you. Know have little moments. Larry Your Several other countries that were just another constant causing and stuff as youth in the real up not cry coach relationship not around quite difficult for both of you in that moment to get something economy. Be ready for striking Getting on all just like I remember my our entire emotional brain monkey mind or whatever coaches with Huge experienced of been on coal. With the best you know the best wild cost church in the world and then try something. might immediate emotion. Would he do they anybody? The six months. I've just been working on that shot to get into that position to be crap as you think it is true. I this thing like so much better that it was this is shit. You should have seen it six months ago. Yeah it's it's a good point from both sides of the coin there because you know there's part of the chimp if you like wants to confront them and give him a bit of a slap but they they The courts should also consider that in terms of when the intervene or want to give feedback to do a bit of a background in terms of what has been the progressives player. Because imagine you feel that you don and upwards curve in some coach comes in and tells you your crap? Then you're like all that hard work and you're not recognizing it sir from both sides so if you could bottle one memory from those six years of playing food time what would it be? And why or as I mean instinctive reaction thing that jumps out straightaway. Probably more than the others is Winning fast futures title And that was a twenty seventeen teen. I think lost a couple of finals. Previously are furious. Thought it was a yeah. It was a five in the sad. Who's just a great moment for the foldout Muslim feelings of commentary. Tough situation and winning. Something you really wanted no that stuff. Also by that point The trauma together for quite a while and we had as preseason together properly and a lot of the things we put in an mainly around mental stuff. Eventually the big late for me from twenty twelve twenty thirteen was was mental routines really get into the Nitty Gritty of Toronto Find that better performance down the match cool and it just made such a massive difference that week on the that year the just foul. It felt amazing. It's a chat with him and he coached professional dies before His so she just all to us. I think what's cool about listening to the words that you're using? The joy came from the sharing of the expedience. And not just from a selfish. I've won a professional event. It's all about me can thing and I think that's something. I wish I had more of in the performance world in juniors and seniors because I think that new quicker we make that not the quicker but the the more we realize that journey of being dependent being independent than becoming interdependent. Relying needing other people for you to be the best that you can be an also Tom. Needing you to be the best. He could be that that to push grew with each other together. And have a moment where you can actually share. That I think is one of the brilliant things about coach player and relationships. Going to your question about what the Best Foshan Best? I'm westbound brother is from the offset. We had very much. That team approach to which Until this compensation by is would be something I would encourage other to do. Is that your job? Spend your coach better today and in all the ways you apply yourself to push them Said the way he challenged on the things. You're uncomfortable soap the rubbish GonNa make them better not yet having Collaborative approach to it again. We 'cause Don was From the twenty six or seven relatively inexperienced church it was so much from the outset of that's crack on do the best we can come come back position and I suppose the other dynamic that just thinking about it as we speak internally because your family you'll see things to family that you wouldn't say to someone else so you've probably heard me say on multiple occasions about how I don't want compliancy from my players. I don't want them to just jump. How high you know I. I want them to challenge me back to actually make me realize what they're truly thinking or feeling so with the brothers. You probably he tom. We'd say things to you that you might consider two or three times before he says to another player and vice versa and he he would definitely test to get in a rural me probably more than show this as well as practice difficult difficult to grungy coach but that definitely jobs to select his words and you feel need to get on the other side of the story annoying exactly and so transitioning so two thousand eighteen. You decided to hang up the competitive racket. And you've transitioned into well. You describe what you're currently doing. Yes now I guess you're not to to get his later on currently working for the at the National Tennis Center up in about five months and my role is kind of essentially to man the national tennis It's encouraging capacity supporting all of the players. Coming through a COUPLA scholarship programmes on on the elite guys and girls and then Magic the dice that I practice schedule. So essentially what people are looking for on an organizing helping us some the practices. And what have been your big takeaways in that the because we've had a couple of conversations about the US boosted the plus and the negative of being coach in your early days. You've spent some time on the tour with doubles players for example but for this might be your first base rule the Knicks. Yeah exactly yes Following retiring in twenty eighteen are straight on the road with Joe Souls for couple of months and then in twenty nine teen Several ways jar on Rajiv Ram on the toll but that was kind of odd hall when they wanted when it works million living in Melbourne Australia at the time But yeah this is not Food time in training environment Chain spirits and massive upsides as anyone can imagine a thing for me. Just describe nut rolls on on call every day with the best buys and some of the best coaches in Britain from the will out So just to observe as much as anything what they're doing And then and then try and Help in any way I can so fond in and I guess that's gone back to that planet. Coach relationship is on. I'm big on on huge respectful of it so Always trying to be aware of monoplace in the dynamic in some of the relationships are I have already developed more of a again kind of important assistant coach. In some of the more hits on just absorbing in Firing up So yet definitely seeing. What the Best Do the coaching glass designed? And then on the drawback to that is not directly. Coaching any of them. So you get the the men and the desserts really push yourself in challenges of a safer environment which I guess for for a new is Britain. Not so as expose. But there are times when I'm not on the Iran and Don plays over a couple of months. It's exactly like him Matt's little one of the earlier guests on the show and he expressed that exact same thing when jazz was leading fitness program. For Andy he was very much having to be a diligent number. Two in terms of you know backing the program was in a way knowing his place a Nissan dot of discipline. Because of course the the EGO side we've all got it ego side. If he goes. I just wish I could. Just GimMe Gimme my moment and I'll I'll show you. I can do anything so I think that the fact that even you recognize this stand you in good stead in terms of so many. Will you know probably more than me? There's so many players then go straight into and that won't have that opportunity to just sit back and learn from expedients. People are thrown straight into and give it the almost go hammering tongs it with new expedients to like you know a few car crashes happening but definitely some tennis first and foremost you want to stay out of the of You can you can definitely class a step onto the wrong condiments venture. So they arrive this yet. Taking your Gesture hadn't thought about with Matt Jazz but I think the always gonna so to someone about how to do my roll one die. Maybe it will be helping. Pasta is is south Wednesday the massive pulpit and Click? Sometimes it's session to session. It can be ten to twelve. It's trying to try to UNMINED dynamic within that relationship Change Massively Legis. Yeah That being and then being courageous at times tanking late Guy. I am stepping out of this little bit by this intervention Going full doffing coaches rated respect that to that one just so see exactly what we spoke about a minute goes they. They don't develop Bass to don't want compliant means so Louis. We'd like you to step up. You know so you know. As much as a lot of people perceive him in the way the one hundred percent he appreciates someone having the courage to step forth and commit to their opinion and go for it so. I think I I really wish we could take that rule that you have an rule out across as many different performance environments as possible. Because I think it's such it's such an opportunity to create almost apprenticeship signs like it's downplaying your rule in a hit an apprentice car. Okay Yeah Yeah but It's such an opportunity for people to have loved to to have done what you're doing. I obviously couldn't hit as well as you do that. Just observe coaches day in and day. I am and be around. Great players. In great coaches like would be most younger inexperienced coaches. I mean like early twenties. That would be there. Utopia would be dreamland exactly and I think it's as excises our minds. I wasn't for being on the roads right now. Maybe it will come round again but having done you know the best fifteen years of constant travel Thought as well so. It's a great opportunity of around here. I think we mentioned the keep going back to the conversation. We had a few days ago. But this idea of having teams of people that can then take turns in going on the road. Because I think that you know if you say you take Especially from a federation's point of view. You have a bank of coaches. You have a bank officials strengthening conditioning coaches and maybe even things that dip into other nutrition lifestyle. Wherever how cool would it be if there could be some sort of Rota for educating and upscaling people on the road so again there are actually developing that person's mentality when it comes to life and the business over a coach you know even to give a financial under financial help as in financial advice in terms of how to manage your money when you're we the taxes and all that sort of stuff it would be created this three sixty a well rounded athlete whether they make or not they'll leave professional tennis with a much more rounded expedients today gradulate? The tour is moving. Not Way of lends itself to the top end whether the resources are available. Some of those guys and and women buys seek finding creative solutions to get around the problem of Is Defend the room on seventy five to four weeks on the road for any support. Staff is very difficult for clients. It's very difficult you your your Potentially at a different stage of blogs euro so the one getting to go out there and running and get the crowd exactly so the so that leads me to my second last question. What do you feel or believe could be the silver lining to this pandemic in terms of the professional tennis tour question? I think clearly been on. Just you know just equipment Looks Research meteoroid some of the stuff of been privy to the outside has been an awesome influx of virtual support Mount creativity out that from helping. Ten-year-old developed some skills through to United Sports Science and medicine taint around the world are really supporting Beverly athletes in world cost-wise across four. I think is a bit could be a great simple honey because I think that the combination of the two Could really well together and it's gone of. I'm sure there are constant from advice standpoint at a mall but I'm sure there applies out that thinking much she's still making guides. I'm analyzing fulminate Video Simple Dahmer. Saving Music still pushing baby. Even that will be saying as change to welcome some things that they couldn't win this tournament. Coming second boss so so vegetables support and then also possibly that rollout If things slow down we take take a minute and stop a remember. Strongly that apply something. Actually I think a lot of lies would reflect inside. They got better resting as that career went on. I remember the day early twenties of genuinely struggling to take a week off not feeling a bit guilty about so if these you know hopefully over solve itself quickly but if it does go on for two or three or four months buys encourages come out with it and see. Actually that guy is quick to back up to date on the physical encourage people encouragement tighten ranks. Which I think is is naked saying. Yeah yeah definitely. I'm GonNa throw something on the table here right. There's been thinking about this a lot. I listen to podcast a few months ago from the coach called mate pronounce it wrong but Mark. Lucero a used to work for the US. Abe but he now is or was joint. Coach of Steve Johnson Nicole Gibbs and he threw an idea on this podcast and again it was kind of the week before any of this stuff kicked off and even the host of the show was Kinda gone on to that. That will never happen but the more I think about it in terms of joint solutions and his idea was that from the. Us Open onwards typically. It tends to go. You've obviously got maybe at it. Historically a Davis Cup tie and then you would go into maybe the Asian swing and then indoor season in Europe and then finished with the world finals we all know that the season is too crammed into big and so. I do think that this will be one silver lining that there might be in a horrible way for some their tournaments but might just not survive with sponsorship and so on so the calendar will be bit more sparse which might be thing but his idea was from after the. Us Open that the rest of the season is essentially. If you think season it might even just be mid September October into maybe the starting November is team tennis season and it was a whole thing of he. He didn't go into this detail. But of course reflected the ASO and I was thinking if imagine if there was a way that we have a team season from say mid September to even Or Star of November and that paid a reasonable wage for all of the professionals took part in it. I mean and and it meant that the rest of the year is nor such a burden. Because they've got this bank a wage or a fund that they can end dip into and so on for the actual tourist tour is an to gain rather than the opportunity to survive that idea now of course straight away. You'RE GONNA Wears Davis Cup fit in the world to your final. So you know. I'm not here to solve the world's problems but I do think there's an opportunity that you know is speaking to a guy who was an ex to approve the other day and I was beaten Tim about his finances and I said how did you operate and you went rbis. Just excuse my language shit show. It was just in hindsight. I didn't have a clue of is doing. I was saying well. What about making yourself? A limited company pain yourself away wage. Pin Yourself a dividend. When you get the chance you know your your expenses are hugh have professional way. And he was like no one ever told me that when I was playing so I just love this idea of appeared of the year. Is You get wage your steadying him but I think that the tennis world with love how it looks I do. We'd love supporting team for seven or eight weeks a lot. Not He just jumped out to me when your siting there about the salary Paul as just thinking through other industries. That lodged a commissioned by but the nearly always have a base salary element to and then whereas now it's just a hop learn sent driven. I guess you could argue. Once you get to a certain level than your new first-round prizemoney at old events becomes mischievous a day. I thing capture different groups fans as well and that really love the team element however those teams devised says some continuity weather was nations or just cops kind of Latin American banking on the night of the summit Us Tinge went. Yeah the world team. Tennis working so And if it comes near those characters coming back. Applying for scientists in that just lends itself fans of enjoying from vice perspectives. So many rainy enjoy that break in different fields team deficit. Yeah definitely any that in there right so last one before we go and if fm if you could paint your perfect job in tennis what would it be us just put you on the spot? Like combining com. Let's say combining either your university degree. You're playing expedients. You're coaching as it is. In how you think it will evolve. What would be your life? You could write your own job description. Would it be and caveat to this nasal? Things aren't still currently working progress. How definitive finish just to get you drinking. Gin Instinctual thing that jumps out is is kind of the outside. The College coaching base. I love the daily structure. The countries have uncertainty to have a a group that could be adapted to Madame Women. Boys and girls. But you have a consistent at but I feel trumpeting dhaka-team Collective Coal Manual. Coaching team dynamics as well as as the intricacies by that feel coupled with so of international competition he's quite close the American unique bubble. That'd be say. Yeah the COUPLA things that jump out to me But usually passionate about the is has different names but the play a welfare and development formats large style. Whatever you call it. So definitely tying into the coaching experience of the From a compensation for the student as well as his high in a lot of road of core experiences an almost accepting that might might need. Your department is five Mike Takeaway. It's by it's gotta rid benefit you as a as a human being and what whatever you WanNa go onto the next thing that clearly. But I don't know but it's almost an impossible question to answer even though even with the question preempted in my mind if somebody asked me at right now I'd be like I'd have a basic overview wouldn't have the defined details but it just I think one thing struck me from the relatively short. I'm we've known each other is that you're you know to coin the phrase. Your heart is in the right. Place is one hundred percent they are and uh your personality and character and a willingness to learn desire to improve and so on and coupled with this idea that you you have the best for the person's best interests at heart. I think whatever you do in tennis hope is in tennis. You'll you'll smash it that just my my thoughts so I think it's enough for us. Should we could spend all day chatting veterans but thanks very much for being a fantastic entry into my journal. Sure lots of people have learned a lot from it and If anyone was wanting to get in touch with you. What's the best way to do it or good question? I do have a twitter account limited in my use of it and how much weight and think I guess I'd course seven on that too. Big A bus The messages or on their perfect. Well thanks very much Ed being pleasure.

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H-Hour Podcast #146 Ash Winter  author, podcaster, former cavalry QRH

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H-Hour Podcast #146 Ash Winter author, podcaster, former cavalry QRH

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As soon as he is the host of the winter and friends podcast on ambassador for the charity like site. This is h our podcast. My name is ukiah august. Oshman's recording welcome to our studio on pre podcasting redone iceberg done for the patrons now onto the podcast. Well for podcast royal. Hr pockets royale. Welcome back welcome. How you doing first of all say ceram late. I was five minutes. Late in true cavalry. Fashion saw the question for sean that. Qr eight ukraine's solid h. Let's still okay this country to unit them. We're better we're essentially with the same. We do this well. We did the same thing. I'm led to believe that there are now only. Two main belt regiments in the british army. Which is the royal tank regiment and acquaintance hussars. I'm led to believe that character changing to think going to the new ajax. I think i've heard that somewhere. I saw you fully cleared up on your on that mike but put it in close. If you want a you are usually clued up on all the change of the stuff changes coming in with the armor. Because i'm not really what we're changing the chunky to change into chun's three and i'm led to believe that the the armored the armaments going to be a generic smooth bore so we can exchange. Initially americans i think under the tourist changes a lot more technology. Go into it so that again. They can chest with the germans danes americans and everyone else. He's got the same sort of technology. Netters makes sense that makes sense. I only heard the other day actually are from seven officer the downsizing the army got from eight yards to seventy thousand. I didn't know about this but yeah that's official numbers but yeah it seems a shame to me not much less. It's not left. Is that when you think back to to even even when i was in germany what was it now. Probably fifteen twenty twenty years ago. It seemed like a huge army. An washed out hoping it was back in the seventies it. It just seems to be shrinking. Yeah someone said to me. It's sunset was he. Barclays barclays the number of stuffing boxes is more than the number of stuff in the british in british wound. Oh maybe agent forces that don't know got no idea now combination forces but anyway yeah anyway would you if you buck to stop military career again. Which be would you be tuncay again. Never tonky cavalry. okay. Learning like so cavalry. Oh and you percent hundred percent Obviously at times you sat there and well. Let's start from the beginning where where my dad was two per recruiting office to join the parachute regiment. And of course the recruiting sergeant. There was house. And i love driving time. A source said. Can you draw if you like driving. The what any fancy franchise put. Yeah i was hooked. And i was that recruiter in the last year we might limit your career as like to think we we have if all over. But there's always if you're talking about the military to some some young person's coming to an office you're going to be more passionate about the regiment you in any way just because you know more about it so really. What our past p. company probably not. I don't think i'm yeah with all the all the beat of training. Maybe but you know. I'm i'm very much suited to the cavalry. Way of life and authority enjoyed it. Yeah so downstairs. One hundred percent disturb again. what is described. The one sentence cavalry way of life gonna treat is the pike smoking pike smoking. Curb cuts plenty of pravada. Yeah but we are classed as the gentleman soldier you know. I like to think they were just that bit. More for nasa boaters. We ought dignity to the to the battlefield. But i just. I love the of bought into the history of a and yeah. I'm very proud of often. The worst job in a tank in the challenge intrigue commodity drive rod up and you got the the the weapon systems. Dude yeah so for me. The draw driving was one of the best bits. But it's the things that go with the driving. So you're going to do the maintenance and you've gotta clean attracts and you've got to change everything dirty job if you like Yeah this is probably the worst for me. Personally we've all got our worst job. I think the best job is the operator we doing. Radio's not reading and load in weapons system three times four. So you've got the driver. The operator gonna on a commander can they oprah delivery systems. Does he couldn't do it right. Okay okay when he first your no. This is how it used to be anyway. I was driving and maintenance become a driver that you would become a governor when you've been promoted normally and then you go on to be an operator and then you know. The pinnacle is commander unfortunately even get to command something on do regret. And if i'd matab again that's that's certainly why despite be but one of the best jobs actually the prairie and in canada foreign off the weapon system. It's like no other occult think of anything else that makes me smile as much is up. Yeah nothing nothing else. Well maybe hurtling around race circuit with. Jim camera about sport jimmy. He's tankeea on cavalry. You see so. Tonky is wilt tank regiment so they became a regiment because of tanks they start with tanks whereas we started horses and evolved into tongues right now. I i got it so so you not donkey. I i do apologize. That's what we call them. The council cav the council council. What we've got me is that they. They have backups. Where i suppose there must be a reason for it but we came from my regiments half arush so we have irish purpose. I don't know whether the audio have their banned from what you mean irish so we we have all from the queen's zone mcqueen rish they amalgamated so it's a an argument an english regiment. If altogether so we're now will is ours and in brackets queens new role origin the draft right horses. Not officially. no you can you. Can you want. And i've done the situation now. But back in when always in germany we had a question center. There was always a contingent of people from the regiment. Who were with our mookie now in royden and many but we had to drum horse charger and avert the were were personal horse. His all belong to anybody. But the sent neutral hosts. It was parade with us when we done that. When the command offices he charter and athlone barracks on these calls which is absolutely phenomenal right. Tell me your condition. How on earth. You say that word carry cohn i toconas character. Conus yes describe it. It's it's the corn as a different shape. So if you look at most people's eyes are shepherd football westmont locker room people and if you think people you've got the pointy end and it sticks me on the end of the cornea that's normally quite smooth. I don't want do honda actions to people who are watching us on youtube and see the konia fins become off and this caused a lotta complications for me personally. So i'm looking at you now in this pro three of you enough because of all the different lights in this in this room some days i'll get up and just come functions a human being which which is really annoying but there are ways of of doing so. I wear to contact lenses in each. Join if you think of the way an i shaped luck locker room people if you got a soft contact lens and over the top. He's not gonna fit because the sticky out it's going to push the continental is not going to be a smooth for the edge so dishonest contact lenses that are completely rigid the suction cup go into my but because it causes a lot of pain they put the soft lens on first and then the lens on top and it always feels like. There's a piece of grit in miley. And it's just you know when you got fake. Can you can. you can't think of anything else. it's just that constantly with meals. What happens if you don't with a lenders. I'm looking at the table now. There's a couple of to there. if not millennia. I couldn't see that it would just be a complete blur of different colors and shapes and you know nothing this really. If i squint i could maybe make act a shape of source. But if i was to go in to try and hold dot com it sometimes works either. Hit me so. I can imagine trying to make a coffee in the morning before melinda in which is why i never do it. Yeah there's so many different different challenges that even come wearing lenses at different times a year different temperatures humidity. Lighten and there's the complication to go with it. So i've got something called posterior reuters which blockage to the doctor presently quite common problem but for contact lens wearer though when you close your not supposed to then lubricate the contact lens. Keep it moist than lubricating. So you can see Line don't don't work. They should get very roy. And this been occasions When up in along. Because i you know. I'll say now i'm not blind by any stretch imagination. Not whatever there are days when not see myself as blind but you know ninety percent of the time. I'm not so. I can still drive a just about past the driving threshold in a controlled environment. So i'm joined. Dan motorway seventy miles an hour and contact flies out you. Thank god have that decision to to get to the heart children to stop and then try and find the plenty lens because they're telling me more or less as i can see my legs on the floor better than she can. Because i don't know what it is. It must be instinct because you know they cost a couple of weeks. He's lenses and thank god for the nhtsa because they're subsidize only pay a fraction of the price twice a year. And i find these lenses. Every time they fall anywhere whether it's a only got the other engineer in the other oi so it's not as if i'm completely looking for something that's not there you know there is a vision an normally. If there's a bit of light shawny three reflect so you can see it otherwise on one hundred and as you know looking hands partying everywhere to try. And there's been a few occasions when i've been driving and they just paying out land normally. I've got shades on no matter. What the weather. So normally they'll just ping for some reason thankfully they'll stick to the inside of me shade cases when i'm not from passengers. Something they'll just flaunt dashboard off the time. Not just stick to something so yeah. Tv series might have obvious at times. We when you realize you're slightly shift started noticing serving on a fulltime reserve service contract which is an non-operational home commitment so essentially supposedly a nine to five monday to friday job in uniform. Which was was perfect for me at the time and i was wearing glasses thinking that get made light well. Maybe i'm getting old. Maybe this is just the way. I'm you know you see so many people wearing glasses. Just modern I went to the opticians. And they said well you need glasses probably on stigmatism which again very common philadelphia novick boss. Classes spent two hundred fifty pound on nash pair off every day need to get an ice per within six months had another pair another few months after that another prayer because the prescription changed because what is getting worse. Yes yeah i mean. It's been getting worse every day. Since two thousand and thousand ten diagnosed i got worse ever since. And there's no cure. They're all things that can be done to to halt the the the degeneration of it because most people are diagnosing late teens. Early twenty s. I was twenty eight. Twenty nine is quite advanced technology. You never know what's around the corner but at this moment in time there's nothing specific to so where you can have this procedure done. That will completely correct it. Icon half and probably will have a corneal transplant. Which is basically the off. And donors i on the front new but i think that the last thing i saw it was fifty percent success rate and with my all the conditions that go with the posterior buffer artists. This cornea would act like a content. Really so you'd have to have it. Lubricated have to not have allergies. And you know. I've i've got plenty of allergies. Fever men everything like that which which doesn't help The situation to only so at the moment. While i'm still driving while i'm still over that jogging threshold. I don't see him i. Thomas thinks the same you know. It's not worth the risk of of the transplant. Just yet but we'll see once you know once do go below the the driving threshold. Look nothing to lose really. I'm what was it like when a well contact. Imagine being being told. But i'd have some some Lifelong ailment for whatever to deal with progressively. Get worse. how did you. How did you deal with that when when you when they told you. I think there's a third trip back to the optician and it was just a local optician. Always go there said. I think you've got character conan. He couldn't say probably so it was a bit of like okay. Well what's that. And he gave me a leaflet like everything else. You reach or anything. Okay but he only said you may have it so what he wanted to try was was normal contact lenses because the the glasses you can't make glasses rounding off for for the curvature of mice so and anybody else with a condition that's why they go to contact lenses because you can have a more curved lens he put these lenses in my an. I thought i had a laser beam been shown in tomorrow. Just just normal. Lighting like is now. It was just so painful. I just couldn't tolerate him and it took me six months to come to terms with the conditional got by by john. All these facebook self-help groups and speaking to a specialist and Speaking to various different contact lens specialist optometrist and things And you know. I didn't think too much i don't think because it was. Oh well you can get contact lens or you can wear glasses or you know. I don't think he came to then about well. There's there's no fix for it. And i think it took me two two and a half years to to be able to tolerate i think in choral now been ten years or so. But i think that the coping strategy for me was you know i'd have more career i don't ever not wanting to do been in the army i've been to cost of open to. I done anything anyone would want to do. So i thought well. I'll just go and see what i can do to to help people into to see what i can do to raise awareness for the condition So when these self help groups. I was doing various things that going on because so many people that won't do anything with this condition. Well i'm not stopping doing things. So i've been doing triathlons a remain and there's a lot of people on these cell. Sino fortunate sons being diagnosed. He's never going to be able to join. The army is never gonna be able to draw if he's never gonna be able to to do anything he wants to and then click in and someone said well. Why don't you just write blocks and try and document your story. So i did and i think you start to help people online and well ours because if you if you come back saying note it's been inspiration what you've been doing. And you've helped so and so be able to fulfil his dreams. He knew he can do what he wants to do. So on the first pick invented. I think it was the twenty four hour endurance race in gloucestershire. I think they they used to call it the the london marathon of mountain bike races so people turn up and take it really serious and then other people are turn up in a superman costume on a unicycle and it was a seven mile off road mountain bike track with a bit downhill technical incredible pill and essentially you do twenty four. I was solid. And see if i so we decided to us. Army recruiting time so we decided as a recruiting event. We will get a team together army recruiters and go. And do you know where army kit. And it's quite demoralized. And actually when you go over hill on you mountain bike with army. Be the best back and superman on his unicycle ghostbusters. How does the unicycle from carry. Most way to go. What did you did you finish. We finish his team became fourth which were absolutely devastated about. Because if we just put in a little bit more we could have gotten the podium finish. Which would have been great to take back to the recruiting group and say look this trophy we you know. Put the army on the mountain bike mob if you like and come fifth quay behind you because a happy but come forth and i think we're any one one or one and a half laps behind the place. Then it's it's a little bit annoying but went back the year after and it solo so not do a lap pass the baton onto an expert. So you do a laptop about an hour so you do an hour. Three hours off But we did it solo the year after. Which is you know it is what it is. You go round as many times you in those twenty four hours. You can stop it. You tend whenever you like came tenth. Which i was just a bit slow a no. There wasn't eleven of us. Thinks about forty five in the category. That i was in went back again for a third time and i think came forty isolating. Put me that time. They change the route as well and it wasn't. It wasn't as easy as it used to be. They put a lot more technical downhill. And with my soit going downhill fast. Mountain bike in the toilet hours is not really thing to be doing. So i think i'm to come off more than those on the to be honest with you but yeah great fun being the most was the most challenging the charge even though i went to the arctic with the endeavor fund. They had an expedition going on. Whether it's a team of eight eight of us going out to north sweden probably dog sled and we're out in You know you fly into this. Gets me with this country. You know you got half an inch. Snow in the whole country stops over there we landed things are seven three seven on snow all palled this plane and it was it's monastery five. And when into the middle of nowhere made drilled into the lake for water it was just the most phenomenal experience plenty freezing but phenomenal experience. I mean there was a well at this point. You put your book. Dan you but pro up to the surface. Let's put it was ridiculous on the field at night. Ready for the morning brew thermos-flask and it was cold but the next morning incredible. Absolutely incredible. but we'd go and half various different local traditional meals that bill limb reindeer ranches and things just phenomenal experience. An totally about me all is well the contact lenses they froze and know without brittle they just turned to. Dust may 'alleged close together. Because i'll have to use this lubricant because you know the blaffer artists can't can't locate my also my lenzi see solution in and that was frozen. It was very very surreal thing to do. But i'll documented all and send it to various different specially serena around the world and actually the national character nation in in america and today to their film festival so it was a three minute self recorded video in in the active all these clips of me using my is the lenses and various different things. And i won't yeah absolutely incredible. you know. Not the factor. I i'd wanna film festival. That wasn't the point and the point was it. Got these video out there to show so many other people won't if he's an monitored life and he can function with this condition. Well so and so. Dan road can take kids to school. Get out on his bike or do somethin' for them and not just. That's what i want to get into it apart from the experience for me because it was just brilliant. What was the name of the expedition. How far are you going from where you're going from two. There was just a point on him up and it was the old the old cigarette line or something. And i probably should know this. But i don't know if you've ever seen ben fogel new loss to the wild. He did a you lost in the snow years ago. Lady over there called gainer for british lady that married a local and her business there. He's to to get tourists in and take them out on expeditions and it was her that we used and and she had this pre populate route and and we followed it. Yeah it was. I think it for everybody. They had different reasons to be there like any of these these expeditions that we do you know for me. It was to test myself and to test ma and so many other guys were were former marine so they want to go back to the coal. Because that's the place they love and they wanted to test themselves after however many years out from from being away from from the military. I think everybody seemed to get what he wanted to edit. How many days. How many days after ten days. Okay probably covering each day. I guess i think all in all these two hundred and fifty case a fair distance. Yeah but i mean these dogs that were put in you. I mean that's phenomenal. You know the the distance they covered each day and and probably can't remember it was But there were just they just kept going and you think. Huskies don't when you think of the arctic and in in the snow but it just looked like normal bongo. let's round the corn. And i think the biggest issue. We hired these. When when they go the toll on the move they stopping they'll do not and then flick it. Yeah yeah that was the one the biggest danger that we have when we moan about the cold we get there. We said tend to go into a cabin. And there's a firearm. And you you know you you know in cozy the dog sleep outside on on a better stroll open to the elements and that just phenomenal. Never the all. I mean you. You put these slippers on the machine like To to protect pause but they come off within thirty seconds so they need to put them on a lot of them. Shoot them off anyway just at night or threat the whole thing. Yeah i mean we're a nation doglovers right and and all of us on the expedition and we were mortified. These dogs are stay on it. But they didn't wanna be inside you. We speak into the locals. Well you know she. She put quilt on them. Oh she would go limo. That won't be happy. And they you know they you can see them when they bought in the snow to get some some fluids in them and uh at night this a great photo of me in the meat for dinner and slobber meet probably half the size of the table in front of us and you know it's frozen for the water content. Get the water and you chop it with a a huge axe. Probably food and the marine ourselves. To be honest. we're on russians. What reason i don't know the local locals like what kind of places in own way. Yes but it's so welcoming. The this one rainy heard that we went to. And we all slept in these loft. We came to whatever. Tom was Any outs he cooks. Jennifer's reindeer too. So we don't actually gonna got one of these reindeer until you know. I guess i'm gonna freed them rained. Reindeer broth was different. Taste yeah well. I wasn't too keen to be honest and it was probably because we were at a reindeer ranch. Where will the reindeer were running around. And you know you think of christmas and you think santa claus and all you're looking around in this. It didn't didn't feel as as it should but then on the last night before flying home during a very exclusive hotel restaurant and they were serving up reindeer cooked as we would expect it to be cooked and it was obsolete divine. So maybe that was just the hot another depreciate. It was thinking no shouldn't be doing shouldn't be eaten at the ranch. Yeah strangeness so think they of necessity and what we used to be so so custom to be civilized. Yeah we saw used to not see in the animal read it. Yeah that you on your table that it becomes unusual and you do a friend. Good friend mike and good friend. Jeremy gibson jazz. Gigs gives the podcast on the. He's he. Mike is got some meat from jeremy sablan. Jeremy it's been sending mike videos of the lab the alive lamb. This is what i was talking about things. It's a bit strange. It's like you said to be videos of alarm is going to be a cost table slaughtered. But did he have a name. Those horace hearts is in the freezer. Might give me some more horace horace. Yep yep but we know we just really you we meet. We have tables with alive at one point. Oh it's you know it almost makes it for me anyway. I horace right. Jeremy gibson is an a guy who ethics morals believes in. You know animal welfare looking after the animals obvious palm right but they should be treated probably from militias differ reasons. And i'd rather know daniel came from a no. It'd be treated that way. Probably the not. Then then you've been you you you pocket flipping lamb in the supermarket. You tolerates come from the same thing with the older the eggs. Free range ecocide shopping free-range eggs every time last year to go it makes you that bought. I bought eggs free range here. And i thought yeah absolutely pipe because i know that be treated humanely here. It's not like some buttery farm which she's just horrifying. Although on the flip side to that. When i was in bashar in iraq we had retreated kebab. Now i have no idea but it was the best kebab i've ever had in mind. I've no idea what it was. I don't want to know what it was. I i think uganda. that's by the way. That's proper last like salmonella roulette point food poisoning. Let you play in a kebab in bosnia. Continue dan i was. I was coming off since driver. And we've gone for this quite important meeting and we have to accept anything that was given to us right there. Cultural cultural things uganda retold. Don't don't don't order food from anywhere but this time it's bar. It's called the drift bar. Run by experts africans. Australians in a town called jinja j. J. in uganda long story short. We and we end up getting drunk in this bar. They stop doing food. So you ordered food and and the local went off down to down and got some chicken and chips. My chicken turned up. Eight hundred four x ribcage. It was basically kept pretty pretty confident with but again taste it taste if you live experience and very tasty very tasty onto this oh reindeer reindeer so locals peculiar exist in those peculiar but friendly. It's like a pair if you were there for like six months. It wouldn't be friendly all the time. Now if you if you around next to them and you're competing with as a farmer for instance when you put a windfall now something that you know because you're just a visit to. I think that they'll look after anything more than that now. Night after leaving local people were they. Just come on sleds as well. So they know. They had big full by force and Snowmobiles and stuff that quite happy couldn't about in in anything really i think cruiser. Yeah do expedition i would. I'm i want to go somewhere warm. But the the reason is i've tested is and the the equipment in cold. You know what to go to the the heat and do it in the desert or knowing mansions or something. I was supposed to go to man. Took cal don't tell me don't tell me with is. I know this is to count cal i know this is why do i know this is why i've i've been saying that. Mount monkey mountaineer monkey monkey. Mountaineering do do expeditions. so we've gone a busing story. Monkey mountaineering guy. Casa marshall ex-military iran's expeditions and to call is one of the places to go to look into. And because i i would still love to do it but this another exhibition company. I'll just go probably should've said really an ambassador for charity called for which the research charity. They took me about a few years ago. Because of the things i've been doing. And they want me to the focus groups and things and i do barefoot races and that sort of stuff so i want to do somethin' and a bit of a statement sort of expedition to say i'm doing this for fight for sight to raise some money and some awareness and anyway covert hit and it got cancelled so i saw this other expedition with walking wounded. Were doing a a desert expedition in oman. The two quarter. Four hundred fifty kilometer. Walk so i applaud for that good accepted. I know so excited as all older the team. And it's been delayed two or three times now And then if you weeks addition to council it at well council. The the oman part of it changed it. It's no reimagined. In britain so the team of walking from the pentagon all the way to london which is about four hundred fifty kilometers in eleven days training for this and unfortunately went over a miracle to all my perennial tendon. I had it reconstructed off got nerve damage and account walk. We'll known meters minute stopping for pain. Relief you rest in it but thankfully i'm on the support team so i'm going to ask their welfare to you and had a meeting about media communications photographs and that sort of thing. So i'm keen interest in photography and media so for me. It's win really. I'm going to go there and enjoy this. This expedition with woken it in the dump and gold not the desert and i'm going to learn as much account from the media team Tobacco knowledge which is very likely. It's just more than enjoyment so really looking forward to that starts cobra leaks times. Well sounds good. Yeah how they do it. All the route then. So they're going to do the pentagon first day and then to move to to oppose the unit scaled. Yeah and there's a few people in local area. The businesses support supporting the team. Gonna go that route with them. Which is you know. it's a famous route that's spent on with local regimen there anyway which is a really good way to start. I think And then they can go into gloucestershire and start. I follow the the thames river. All the way down and finish at the grenadier pope in london. Okay good so the reason they stopped at the greenwich apob. The title sponsors grenadier that new vehicle leniency. Grenadier it's their take on. The old landrover defender absolutely beautiful little beast. And that's what. I came up with the idea for this this vehicle. So that's where we're going to end de. Poignant place where london greenwich london. Now i've got no idea to be honest with you. No won't even let me guess what they finish. I think it's the sport now. So he starts. It starts on the ninth ninth about official time and it's the two weeks a fourteen days. Okay okay choice third. Okay just going to be london loss. I'll send you details the best way to the next week. What how many people on the team. The team was six drum. But it's been quite a few little injuries and niggles so that there are six th. They're all gonna walk at various points. I think depend on their injuries. And it's i think the core team will do. There's probably three or four of them. That will do that. The whole hawk. Encore compliment away stopping each night at various different places farm buildings locally tolls. Anyway they they can they can get to pulling a trolley with them as well with the that was supposed to be with us. You know man you know to carry the water. Obviously water won't be a problem in this country but just to to go on with the same resources as they were doing. I know mom. We're going to try and carry on with that same thing as best we can. You can't do that in london. Of course but you know as far as we come we will talk good more. You're gonna get half that to call if mirka right to rock walker. Yeah okay yeah. I don't know what i'm gonna do. Because they enjoy the minute i physically can't do anything. I went for swim last week on august. Seventeen months and it was just too painful. I went for a bike ride yesterday. I did two and a half miles too painful. I just you know. I'm doing everything i'm told. I'm doing everything for the physio. They've said to swim. And i've said to just it so because of the paint so i'm bucket fujio again this week so we'll see what comes. Maybe we'll change up the routine in excises affect another cast on because that was a bit of a noise especially being me right leg obviously driving in it. So we'll see what happens. But i've got an ambitious still for invictus games really trialed for the two thousand seventeen. Toronto games didn't make it. I did swim in row in auckland and the whole build up to it the trial weekend just seen so many familiar faces from my point of view. I worked when i start fulltime reserve service. I i worked at the queen. Elizabeth and cellular hospitals welfare team up there so i a lot of these guys coming back injured from iraq afghanistan wherever it might be and then to see them be part of their journey again and actually being there so the in their public use the term now a lot probably too much but in that bubble of being an athlete. I'm looking at me. I don't look long enough water. It was just phenomenal and to serve tests myself and test my eyesight on some of these sports with pretty. You know i've never been really fit enough to to compete or anything like that but really enjoy it. And i think for me. That's that's the most important thing. If i can get onto an invictus team and go be part of the game. I just think that'd be incredible. How does it work then. How does how does not fit together talked about that. Would you even end up applying. So i'm i'm probably the help for. Heroes bonded bruce some classes. We didn't service person. So i get various amounts of different. Well pre covy nothing. There's probably five six emails a day that we'll get into two different bits. And bobs a one. That was the invictus games to to apply to be a participant also went on. It looks great fun you know. Let's let's have some la and it turned you go for the initial brief in training camp for for a specific sport so for me it was the first one i did was swimming. We went down to h. Must devonport in their pool. There were i mean it was the british coach that was the british woman coach and i mean they were their opponents paces. You mean the british like olympic swimming team coach. Yeah and they're still do not now. I had a choice to wheelchair tennis few weeks ago with the schedule on invictus games foundation. We're putting on a troy troy day and again there was a registered. British works down in the national tennis center and he was teaching wheelchair credible reading to head up a follow in big games and the foundation. And yes. I went to these different sports and they have that then. They don't pick the best athlete. They'll pick the the person they think. We'll get the most out of it really. Yeah i did know i mean. There is an element of some of them that elite athletes that then go on to the paralympics. You know say. Look at jacker broncos. This you're just jumping. You know you've got people like the you know. We'll we'll get to this. Because that's the recovery pathway to get through and percentages. But the when i was there the the bath uni when prince harry was giving his speech was everybody will be taken into consideration for what they will get out of it an interesting brilliant osler for me. I didn't make it to the actual games. But i still feel part of it are still. I'm still included with a vix games foundation. Even now they're doing various different atom sports and a lot of other things from sports. They have guest speakers things for motivation inspiration. That sort of stuff. And i just think really good following everybody go community. They the changing slightly. What of the chain slightly while they will they do from startup ignorant on the subject. Well they this. Isn't you know i don't know. But they merged with endeavor fund so they have cooling victis endeavors. Which is what the tennis trial day was. It's not a trial for the games. It's not you know it's not part of the invictus games. It is just a an endeavor for you to get in. And and how the over so i think they ought diversifying away from just being about the games because you know most costs a fortune to put the games on an excellent being delayed because kobe. That's next year now but this plan another on year after in to sort of and then who national now you know. I'm hoping for a winter invictus. That'd be perfect. We hit about buck. Yeah yeah i've heard about the poppy wounded digits. Six service person. You go to to a bottle. Skiing course never skied before ever one thing in the military you think everybody who lives in germany goes down to winterberg skis earth. Never turn it. And i went skiing into opus over your suits Could you know they say that people who are visual impairment will learn better than so many you can see. Because you're you're reacting to everything in the intellectual sort of anticipate must come in. I mean that's my excuse. Now that's what. I was told i and learn to ski. I think there's a. I think whenever just a week and the a you can win for most improved. It's it's like again. The person who's got the most out of the week. I think mine shook there was was very maybe annoyed. A lot of people go skiing for the operator skied on the go. Never 'cause on a go number coffee and then you know just wanted ski and instead of a lunch break. I think we would have five minute. Great hot chocolate and back on mount and racket. You only there for a week or so you just wanna make the most of eighteen. You've got ski pass. you know. It doesn't come around for free too often. So i wanted to learn to ski. I wanted to do probably on the last day. There was a presentation from what used to be combined so she's disabled ski team. We offer support team about how you can apply to join their race team. So called me give go went off. Training comes with few indoor races over in this country and ended up multiple fronts into services championships a sort of disabled site because even though they call them kabbage disabled ski team. You know we're not we're not disabled. You know this. There are people with disabilities but also people with with conditions like me that are not really classifiable to go to the paralympics but there is some sort of a condition that stops you doing it. As one of the elite army skiers would do it for instance so that they have a system where i think this four racist and whoever comes out on top of all that windsor gold medal gets presented in front of the holy deeds championships alongside them in their medals. And i got it was one of those. Surreal things that you know. I've never skied before. And i think it was about thirteen months from start to finish. The ad never skied before and then go a goldman sachs gold medal. You'd think up into some sort of paralympic games or something. Where i've i've raced against people with the same conditions me you know. It's still nausea gold medal. We all have different different injuries. Different illnesses so it wasn't really fair. You know if i was to fulton over on the last corner then came last. But i didn't really really good experience. And and again the invictus games. They've got a a huge follow in just great people do great great things for buyback. Well back on the awful nice bow tim. Yeah so remind me reminding bottle. Bacchus you've heard of them like another at the deals their recovery off the way that funded boy. I think they're funded by the british legion military. Help for heroes an handle this i think. And they've got a centre lilleshall in shropshire. Why people who are. I'm not sure how it works with. Veterans veterans can go and. I don't think they can do that. One thing that's for serving personnel that recovering all people go to a decor. There's no staff at all. Think i've never been to the center but i know everybody through through my work that we've we've had people go through there and and you know they'll do try it weeks of archery. Salk lynch women manton biking canoe in that sort of thing. I think is open for veterans. Think about it now. I think maybe it wasn't during german lockdown. Something there's something that says it was and it wasn't but it's worth looking into this place. So how did you get into your welfare do now. Oh well i left. Left the army in two thousand eight hundred and i went to work for for a telecommunications company as a trainee engineer and i struggled massively with a little bits of fiber cable i i just couldn't see it property to do. I need it to do. I mean i was at the lowest ever been. I think it was the end of my contract because a mile site knowing what i know being recruited. If you've got character codes you cannot serve in the military so my contract finished the well follow pathway. What the guys and gals doing go go down this engineering route and i was also i mean me and i was thinking about it. You know i everything. Anybody could wanna put two lovely daughter. Great wife you know. We're gonna have some oscar and and i. i was reading so to crush crush yvonne. You don't want to be here crush. Yvonne he hit. This oncoming car crashed into that field and as it happens now i look back and say why was thinking that the intent of walk yourself no. I wanted to go home. And i don't think i i wanted to make myself to myself that i couldn't do the job. I wanted an excuse to go home and it was just a. It's such a strange thing to think. Now the the. I was willing to do something that extreme just to to save face thankfully i didn't do it. I'll start cried part the van and the first thing that we all do we mother. I feel sorry for the people who phone dude tears. It just default set isn't it. I suppose she'd been married to me. Daddy in the paris brothers into power as well so she's got a what did you say. I just told the truth just came up with everything and you know she she just go tell them going to the doctor. The doctor will tell you what to tell the. Tell work and i thought well i why wanna come down a little bit for your wife. I didn't wanna panic because you know she looks at the time. The children very told her doctor's appointment saw diagnosed with anxiety depression and we're just disordered adjustment disorder. So what they're saying is a case of when i was leaving the military i just couldn't physically adjusted to a new way. I've heard about just minutes order so as a medication went to therapy. Cvt therapy with the local niches. And in the meantime another job. I mean i was on sick. Leave could few months and i am. I going to do what the would interest me and i really enjoyed the recruiting element of the army. My last few years nothing. Welcome and be commercial. Recruiter gone gone honey a temporary job and they're very good at them to allow me to do to do the job and i'm open and honest guy. You know my background told them everything they're very welcoming. And i was only there for that month month and a half and i was having a really bad day one day with three floors up in a in a complex famous myself from the top win delage just standing there looking down with us at demo shake and still to this day. Don't know why Me brayshaw thing what you trying to do. What what do you want to achieve. And i don't know. Was i going to dan. I don't know why you're either. I have good days and both days as we you know. We all on medication at the time for mental health as well so maybe it was just a low mood that that got the better me not job is coming to an end anyway. So maybe it was the the panic of having to look for another job so yeah i thankfully somebody come and taught me down and i went to the gp again. They increase medication and sent back to the therapist. And we we were looking through jobs in this one for defense medical welfare service and them before celio cosmic windows one of those welfare team. That and i think wonderful job and they always have to support in the armed forces community and it was only a part time. Job version haverford. You know. there's not. Many jobs are coming in herefordshire and really really wanted it. So i plaza and thinking nothing of it. I had an interview. Wait later or whatever it was. I said the animal let you know in days and i was just you know when you come out of an interview and i just thought that was. I just thought fluffed everything and we didn't two hours. They phone me offer me the job. That was three years ago. Now and i've since won an award for operational excellence in a marshfield during covered. Nineteen of I've been nominated for soldier on award veterans award for rome the win but it was just such a privileged to be recognized that i've come so far from from weill was before starting this job to to be so passionate about this open and helping the force community in the place where where i was potentially and it just it just makes me makes me feel very good about it it. Should there awesome awesome. We noticed slice. It's really important. I think that I think that people who are on the on the coming through all have gone over come of of of just mental health a bad time life more whatever reasons physical mental combination side in in a better place now expected unable to articulate what what their experiences were lessons in no way. That isn't preacher style. I know everything you don't start throat. If willing than we have obligation to pass knowledge on it. I think you. It sounds like you've ended up in the perfect place to do. You know yes definitely because especially in our community we find it very difficult generalizing. Obviously but we find it difficult to someone who hasn't got a similar background to listen to advice him. Life advice mental health advice. Get back on your feet advice because just the very are talking to community. You know an example of this conversation today. You know you don't know me from hud but speaking openly and candidly stuff. This podcast argue that you wouldn't be doing this. I was not of a similar background. Yourself you're slightly different conversation. it's awesome. Good what specifically doing that. I'm close the welfare officer so my job is to assist those veteran it starts its various different projects that run within the charity. So when i was taken on it was to help veterans over the age of sixty five to transition from hospital to go back home to live more independently. That could be helping them with their shopping. Something as simple as just nip it in once a week to see how they are. But then you've got the complex things when you liaise with so many different parties in their discharge with complex discharge social workers different military charities to get a wet room. Staff left a ramp car with with drugging john. or some. you know things like that and that sort of changed a lot with cove. It turned into a mobile welfare and always go rent. I think sixty sixty five clients. My my list i was going to see. Weekly to deliver prescriptions. Deliver food welfare ticks. Just to make sure they're still. They're all elderly. yes most of them. Most of them. there's a few young ones of very complex issues artists. We can't help them with their dog. No she's so anything. But i've got the links into various different players within the nhl that count and that can can help with the for instance. I'm speaking to them. And i'm just his seven board two hours a week you'll phobia never winch helps him massively lovely guy and you know i look forward to these chats but then i've also got a lot of detail that if he was to say something that wasn't quite right could phone somebody that could could put something in place for that makes sense and it's just to me to give something back to the community that served me so well. I just love to work which you know how many people can say they look it. There's not many fraction very very very very very few very rare these days looking at but sounds like he's lucky to sixty five people flipping as pasta goodness me. I was very challenging. Yeah it was but it was. We're all doing what me through through kobe. I mean my wife works for working in the emergency department so thankfully for us you know. The children were still going to school three days a week so she could still do shifts in the emergency department while i was going to do my work if i wasn't doing it. Who else would that. That's the way i always think you know. A lot of these people have got families anybody and some of the beef and did have family but they they didn't want to see them because if passing the virus on you know i was quite happy to just chat through the window and thankfully the it was quite nice for the i look. Dan's wasn't it. So i don't even want to say it was challenge. Because it wasn't it was just enjoyable. I think i'm probably one of the most looking people. Through the whole holiest kovic pandemic the i thou. I had a an enjoyable time of helping this. It has gone dan so it's obviously unfortunately lost my granddad to cove it last year. He's a palestine veteran using the ramey but the most part for work. Anyway you know. It was thoroughly enjoyable eighteen months. Robert pleasure talking to you. What are we going to book. Book yeah i i really about two years ago. There's another one on the way was it. Yes okay well. Let them finish. The i i tell you what though is because i picked it up. I picked up a copy. I didn't realize it the way written in the patriots for people with visual impairment. Yeah i very easy to read. Yeah very differently than normal book and this not many lines on a page. Take you about forty minutes to read it. Cover to cover. It's got one hundred pages. The the roydon spaced officially impairment level. For you know we had a chat before. This don't read many books because the writing sue small and having a magnifying glass to read a book just takes enjoyment of it. And you know. I've got kindle but swapping up and down and zooming in just the box orderly so i thought i'll probably as if i want to read it and i didn't take it to a publisher didn't get approved for it. I did it myself. And i wanted it to come across as if i was telling you the story it was supposed to be my account mark condition and if this grammatical errors will yeah. That's how i talk. So that's how it gets written and you know. I'm quite proud of the fact that it's my book. Nobody's touched it. And i wanted to to sell ten copies inspire ten people with carrot dakotas to live a more fruitful life. And i think i've sold over five hundred copies. I don't take any money from it. The the money that comes to obviously amazon take percentage postage all the royalties that come to me. Go to fight for the charity. You know i didn't want anything for. It's not appropriate to to help us. So that's the reason it's done now and the next book will be The same it. It's cool twenty. Eight cars later pecan. So again it's written by me about the cause of owned over the years and there's a few things in the part line the i'd like to do before the books finished. There's a chapter at the end. The saving for something special and all the prophets so this book will mission noticeable with it being a motoring book so i got a guinness world record february last year. Okay so i ran. Ran a mile blindfold and always the fastest man on the planet for about three weeks and then somebody else broke it by about ten seconds and subsequently somebody's broken up by about five minutes so i'm never getting that one back but i'd like the visually impaired land speed record car which currently stands at about two hundred and one miles an hour. What's the link i drive. They did it the longest field. In britain i'm elvington having it's called so it'd be done the same place i would like to think i think he's talking to with jim cameron yes and various of the manufacturers that we need to call fast enough over that it is a short distance. The runways in this country. Nowhere near long enough to you know to do. In in certain vehicles. Binga jim mcgann. 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Entry 54  Anne Keothavong  Searching for belonging

Kris Soutar's Tennis Journal

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Entry 54 Anne Keothavong Searching for belonging

"Welcome to entry. Fifty four to my tennis journal podcast. If you're wondering what the background is noises. I am driving to play tennis first time in five months. That's the longest. I've not played tennis in thirty six years. Kind of tell you how you decide. Today on the playing outside the sun is shining. there's no wind which is unbelievable for scotland. Super excited to see how ropy by tennis is after fight. One sites this week's guest anti-orthodox former wtn clear reached a career. High of forty eat in the the rankings is now the great britain fed cup captain billie jean todt modern and we have what i would describe of many lighthearted conversation about a very heavy topic. It's essentially all the sense of belonging in tennis and talks fantastically well about how she felt credit much from day one is a four year old walking into a sports hall feeling different and i can relate a lot to on talks about because a lot of it is not necessarily the ethnic background. But it's actually a very the social economic background coming from the east end of london in hackney north coming from money not coming from a traditional tennis background and i can really big type to that so for me. It was an absolutely free to listen to head expediencies here for her to share or learnings and reflections away. She has these breath of bet. Here is an absolute diamond. And i know she's gonna meaning things in the future british tennyson. Her child t work in rackets cute which we saw the show. So before i hand over to and the only thing i need to say is there's a few sweetie words get drops in the podcast. Not taken them. I i i think i to keep things real. There's only a few but if you've got kids that normally listen to this show it might be worth warling them or just having a realistic yourself in bet yet but there's only a few so let's keep it vehicles so i hope you enjoy the show if you do get onto whatever podcast app you've go rate of you spend a second right a little bit of you on what you like about the show or any previous guests enjoy and hopefully my body will be one piece. After ted so entry number fifty four to my tennis journal is amc your phone. I am very well. Thank key kits at school unnecessary. So how have you experienced that whole the kids going back to school. Had i not been working. Las monday i would have celebrated with champagne breakfast for my office to myself. But yeah relief more than anything because it was quite Stressful for me. And you know you try not to show that stress to your to your kids but inevitably A pick up on it but just trying to manage work with my husband working from home as well and two young kids at three year. Old and a five year old online schooling. It's been easy for anyone quite frankly. We've been very lucky. Our durant period or pittance have helped with the home schooling. So that was a massive. That would be literally couldn't have done it without them so we've experienced a slight weird one that we've kind of got this kind of strange guilt thing when they're at school now because they're coming home from school and it feels like such a tiny window that you're seeing them before they go to bed that if you don't spend every minute with them feeling guilty but by now i'm not feeling guilty. Oh do you want to get off. This goes up. Yes let off the school. Yeah you need to spend some more time with your friends since you've missed out for so many months not this past year. No the party. She has been really hard. Actually saying at the best lockdown was quite nice But prior to cope it we used to get a lot of help with childcare from my parents but yeah About hasn't happened obviously because of covid but also because my sister decided talk baby. And that's really until for law passed errands. My parents felt like me. Yeah they put enough time into helping us out with childcare and it was someone else's ted fa- fish so let's talk to you before we almost spoken about like a whole podcast episode before we actually press record here but i mentioned almost my singular goal for this is to go from hackney all the way back grant to hackney now cents. Hopefully by the end. So let's start off. How on earth did you get into tennis. Did that come about to put it simply a guess. My dad was a huge tennis fan He has parisian school for his kids to play tennis. And when i was four years old. I was taken along too short tennis clubs along with my brother at the local leisure centre. And that was it Yeah tennis was yet. I kind of sport. I guess i got to take in Not continue to. He was very much driving fulsome behind. Oh because he had this passion for tennis which he. I guess shed without his passion from tennis come from christopher when he he. My parents are from last met and married tear in the uk but when my dad first came to the u. k. One of the first things he did was actually go to wimbledon. Unlike a lot of men who Went to see. The tennis at wimbledon fell in love with christopher Watch play there. And that was that Yeah had never played doesn't know how to play used to feed us all's when we were kids in a brick homes but like my me. My mum never played either So in terms of any tennis from them nothing so he watched a lot of tennis so he will have gone in blind so to speak. Say no not sweden's. No sporting experience was sports or nothing. Not i wouldn't despite my dad's both i mean as kidding play but he plays football without kicking an orange around and the deaths in the back in forth. So what like four years old. Like i always read so many books as a joke but i read a book called the memory illusion and it was talking about how the you think you can remember things from when you were very very young you actually doing and so can make believe in your mind but what is the first clear memory. You have of tennis. I i remember actually very clearly My experience will come down onto the show tennis courts and tennis courts. They were actually badminton. Morton shiny surface but bill you. Yeah you as one of those. Legislators badminton volleyball tennis. That's f. as I will turn and i had a wooden racquet And i i think that my brother have a wooden racquet. I can't remember. But i remember having a wooden rocket on the kid who maybe my brother had a wreck as well but i just remember being different. Miss wooden racquet being fought too heavy A remember crying and actually my best experiences crying in walking off the call I remember that really clearly Just i guess. I must have just been nervous. Oh felt different. And with of the. I didn't have a rocket like everybody else but i do remember off the experience. My dad mom and dad taking us to the shops and being allowed to pick a rocket than web. We all go wholesome. Why didn't i just remember these rockets on display and going for pink rocket wilson brackets hack rocket. Remember do yeah so Yeah after that. Yeah that was that was fine and then carried on going to a conscious and so was that just coaching that. You had dyke speeds with so. It wasn't a tournament. Yeah no it was coaching by do idea. Remember one of my best tournaments as well. But i can't remember how i would have been Play but this was tournament with than normal tennis not softball amazon have been six. Probably six or seven. And i didn't know how to school and i remember the kid down the upper end Boys and girls it was you know We played against each other but this kid down the upper end calling the score out saying fifteen love thirty love and i had no idea what that meant because i didn't know how to school and i was just thinking. Does that mean that passing loves me fifteen times over several times over. I had no no idea. I was just playing One loss the it was just Yeah the scoring system was completely alien to me So those are two very clear memories. I have as a as a child and tennis environment. And you mentioned feeling different. Did that manifest itself in any other ways you can go through those airlie. These of shorts tennis not much in the short tennis environment. I played a lot of short tennis. I mean i played tennis up to the age of nine ten years. Old playing on the tennis events Why then. I was kind of cleaning up on the short tennis events over. Like a little bonus event alongside Tennis events Sir remember competitions. Where you'd have a short tennis event but that will be An under ten tennis event The then they used to give kids prize money so tavern. They don't get prize. Money anymore do they. But they're not allowed to junior competition but Yeah that was certainly an incentive for me being entered into many events as possible 'cause that paid for the petula at the end of the week by really enjoyed Short tennis. I enjoyed combat. Tennis as well Tennis would be known as tennis anymore. Because i've never heard of corporate tennis. Combat ten says played played on Same sized cool as short tennis but with a compression. Yes get rid. Fill the equipment. The equivalent of Was it red an orange double right. Oh yeah and. I remember winning and under eight tournament Yeah compact tennis tennyson. And the price was basically a trip to florida or Yeah it was unbelievable And actually one of the other winners in competition your new pamphlet new one the under ten event and won the under eight event and yeah Another girl and boy who i didn't think are involved in tennis anymore. One and the equipment but Yeah that was my first experience Of winning a tournament and I guess the price being something quite big been on an airplane at the age of eight. The more so going to florida on an airplane was was a big deal for a week. and my dad came along with may And that was probably one of the first cut of moments where i realized. Oh gosh tennis can bring me and lots of different opportunities. hair is not just them have cash. at the end of the week. I can get a decent pretty cool things But i i mean at that age In terms of feeling different. I don't think i was aware of. It wasn't until i got older Eleven twelve An into my team. Hesi suddenly realized how different we were. And that came about. Because i guess about background Coming from hackney being I guess a young child of color which was rare I'm pleased to say. I'm pleased to see that we. You know ten is's is definitely Attracting more diverse crowd now but then probably the only person who will one of maybe two three people tournament who wasn't white. But i think it was background coming from hackney which i felt really was different Being at tournaments being around events and then being also she got to a state school or private school from hackney. There's a private school. Invite me in kids. Kind of making fun of the way i spoke. And you know this Inchoate courtney but it was really this I guess kind of way opened yes. You're not pronouncing certain wetzlar the way that they did and people kind of making fun of kids making fun of On the fact that my dad drove banger So yeah we we were different and we knew we. I think as a child i essentially felt it but equally because at tournaments i always had my older brother or younger sister round. We we stuck together We've always been a very close knit Family and we've always looked out for each other. And i think growing up. that was. Yeah that was i guess. Key full for all of us to suggest. Have each other's backs i think. Yeah i think had. I not had my siblings around me. Those events Probably would have been a very different experience. What's the age range between. You'll say james. My old is the oldest. He is eighteen months older than me. and lena is two years younger than me And mark he's the youngest. He came along. He was the surprise. My parents 'cause he's ten years younger than me. I think is interesting is just a basic cd of goal. The if you're within that one to two years difference i think you can still relate to your siblings in even if he thinks school you'll you possibly will be hanging arriving in the same spaces and you can keep an eye on them. That can away so that's really cool to hear that You felt supported i. It's also interesting that signs hearing what you're saying that you are. You're more aware of backgrounds. More the media almost like socio economic background rather than the nick background. So yeah. I did that manifest itself when you can got to those ages because i think the issue said was eleven twelve news especially for for young girls. You start pathing. Maybe with your peers and so on. So how did that come right. Yeah that was i. Guess the age of eleven. That was when i was first elected to go on my in first international trip and i guess up until the age of fifteen whereas being selected to go you know you go for your junior internationals and all that And also i guess with some of the regional training sessions that. I did in domestic competitions. It was looking back. I guess it was quite peaky and are woven was definitely not. Wasn't you always have amongst girls your so cool girls who at the cool ones And that wasn't me I wouldn't say i. We always a very shine reserved Child I wouldn't i wouldn't call myself a lotta feel. I don't feel like. I was ever really made to feel included in a lot of the things at national camps and things that they were. It was definitely yeah. It's not an environment. let's say i particularly miss imed. We were not now but I guess there's a pile of you when you come when you meet these people again as adults. You don't forget how they made you feel. I'm yeah yeah that's massively important. I think because the. That's the way i feel is that you know there's some. There's some people that were mean to me. When i was a junior that there are six years later i still remember and the vast majority of them are no longer like that and of course our just normal mature adults. But there's one or two that still think that they're better down. Yeah and the oversee cat name names but one of them. Who was a particular issue for me when i was a young junior. Starting i in competition still to this day. Has this superiority vibe. About him. I shoot them on a course a couple of you know. Of course. I have to be a professional tempted to fail. Him can't field and it just was such an interesting dynamic that he was coming to me for advice. And you know this core coursework wasn't that great and he was helping whatever. Pardon me i saw the you know the. You just can't do that. But i think that's an important thing and today's world. I think because of the film and you don't watch film so you won't get the reference but there's that film called mean girls and it's okay so it's almost that feat. That socialite are all thing that you're talking about and and in terms of have you re responded or reacted to that because a mindful. I grew up northeast. Scotland's you up in east of london. How you deal with things school versus how you deal with things in a. Let's call a improper. Tennis environment. might be different. So how did you deal with it. I i mean. I felt my school life and i guess my tennis life as a kid like two completely different worlds and i can't imagine there was no one. I guess i in the people who i interacted with in my tennis swelled. I just couldn't imagine any of them being in my school out vice versa. You know it was like hi. It's not like. I had to be two different people. But to a certain extent i was and i'm sure that you know i like to think i can adapt to different environments and feel comfortable. Make people feel comfortable. Because i've grown up in so well in being put into so many different environments where you kind of have to learn to adapt to try and fit in any way you can but some yanai school school was our love school. It was different. But when i tell people i go into a few scraps at school they kind of look at me and i think really you. You fight at school. I thought well yeah actually When it comes to pulling hair inferring blows you know. I can give give as good as the for the nam partly. Put that down. You know so say Having confidence in that area in terms of protecting myself to the taekwondo. I did as a kid which was the overspill My dad introduced all of us to when we were kids. That came off the tennis. The yeah his theory behind getting into martial arts was well he live in me. You need to. You need to make sure you know how to defend yourself to get into trouble and yeah It was brilliant. Actually in terms of a young girl building confidence. I i would highly recommend any form of martial arts training to person Yeah just for confidence more than anything. Burston our list more wife doesn't do it much kinda does it. For max which doesn't do it for brig. That's i in our list when we come down. Is that not a pow. Who runs a martial arts club. And i was like i literally just before lockdown last fehb or february march. My one of my best friends. His son is like scottish champion in. Maybe it's taekwondo. You're gonna kill me for that role. But the i went along to scottish chapman i loved it. I couldn't believe how naturally confidence inspiring. It was for the the thing i love most about. It was the young kids getting helped by the older kids to prepare for their fights and stuff and they have a coach. The coroner and i just love that natural support networks at the old gave each other wasn't about cochin and pupil. Everyone try to raise each other up and it's really respectful environment as well so yeah no. I took my along too much lots cloths and last year for the first time And i have to kind of lie to get her back because she asked meal they can be any gills there and actually to be fed. The instructor told me that would be other girls But we roped off and she was the only girl and she. She was brilliant. She brilliant she kind of went for it and occasionally she likes to thank you she Jesus erin comes out with some moves but Y-yeah she she didn't. We didn't go to too many classes because she was the only chew. She felt conscious of the path chosen. Nfl but that's that's another topic. I think sports play play gal wanting to be around other gal's yes definitely definitely so going back to the school thing i shared with you before we started recording that Because i was small. In fact the only thing. I don't mind seeing podcast. The only thing my dad has ever formally taught me was high to fight right literally the day before primary school to me in the yard and said look you're small. You look like a girl you're gonna get picked on and nineteen seventy eight. You know so different days. And he taught me how to defend myself. If somebody does something that wouldn't tell you what it was but it was useful and so it was survival and the first day or two of primary school on massively because you were small because i had like the early haircut which some people will get the so it was survival at school and it was a same when you went into secondary school and on and i shared with you before we started recording. The my lai response. When i first started competing at tennis was to react the same way when people were. Excuse me. psychologically grueling me and i remember a couple of times like me starting a fight with someone in the msci going. What the hell you doing your punch. Because they probably never fight in their in their life and from they came so were there any times where if or went over into the tennis world for you that would have been moments I'm sure where i would have lighter. Pulled off a few moves. Like i probably did school but knew that i would get into lots of trouble if i did Because yeah it was just like a two completely different worlds and definitely in the tennis environment. it was Especially amongst young girls. There was definitely That kind of bitching The slide it kind of remarks that was A fair amount of snow business man as well and you felt like others looking down on you because of way when you came from the way you spoke I didn't have fun. Flush kit you know didn't have kickers. Everyone needs to kick as that day. The shoes and Miss my shoes from the market so it it was it was i definitely felt but equally. I think you know that help. That gave me more motivation to beat them on tennis. Cool and i think. God some as i got older i definitely Became known as quite feisty competitor. And i think that's how i channeled all of that emotion But i guess. I was also quite angry Tennis player in crichton angry tennis plan But different reasons but you you are to certain extent product of you'll environment on your upbringing But the i guess the desire to scrap to compete to to win Came about because of i guess will environment The fact that. I had pushy. Father who didn't really expect anything less than for me to go out there and do everything i could to try. And win the notch. It seems to me. There's never been a more prevalent time to reword that expression of sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never harm me because it now with everyone being a bit more open about all this. You know the the the kind of i call it passive aggressive. You know it's like for me. It's the subtle this subtle sly things that actually like overtime actually have the biggest effect on me anyway and it sounds like it was similar. You know it's like you're just a weird of it but you in some respects and some people are gonna be listen this guy in this guy's nuts but in some respects it would be easier if you could just fight in just if some just go right that's it. Let's have a dust up and actually draw a line under. Yeah no 'cause. I mean even now i find myself in situations where someone will say something man. I don't know whether is ignorance You know and it could be. I'll just use race as an example because out over the past year and a half. And i guess law things have been at an and people prepared to speak out. But you know it's that passive aggressive but then there's comments where i kinda find myself thinking. Oh my goodness accomplish. That person's to set that to me. And i've kind of a frozen and i haven't said anything back and i haven't challenged them on it and that goes back to. I guess we'll miss a kid again. It's no it's a no. I didn't know how to describe it as kind of being scared to speak up but will that there is an element of that but also just kind of still being in disbelief and you know in these times up that people will say something like that and i still find it difficult at times to to bring myself to challenge people on it just lack of confidence On that something. I have to continue working on. Because you know when you the lifetime of it's Gonna go down the road of discussing too much. What's happened recently in london. Your bet day it again. It comes back to this idea. And i've experienced this. I would say in the last two or three years in innocent a really silly way. But let's save give the analogy of a what's up group where things get shared and i'm not a massive whatsapp group fan. I think gets very of hand but some of my school friends. We've a group. If circulated stop. And i've been the one that's piped up and said lee unacceptable. I'm i'm even a group if that's what's gonna get ruined by. But because the i i get i get the pack of wolves coming at me and we talking about being such forever and i have left group. I've left but until we get to a stage where am gonna use this expression. We have a standard operating procedure when people are gonna use the word dick's in when people are days when people are of lying whether it be a through sexism. Racism whatever is social side the bullying all that sort of stuff until there's a standard operating procedure of you saying or doing right. This becomes the norm. That when you say this. I do that or say this. I think you know the moment quite rightly you would be outlier if you were the one that was kicking off a data and whatever but i don't know i don't have any solutions. I think subtly need to start seeing. Yeah florida yeah might be those words but it might be that we come up with subtle things that just become universal like in a meeting if somebody says something when you give them that luke they go dammit right okay. I've i've overstaffed mark but anyway. That's definitely another podcast but just going back to the the tangible things like the hits like you mentioned getting your shoes from the market i. I've never shared the story. So i'm gonna. I'm gonna share it because it's at my expense and more than people me are more than happy to have ridiculed yourself to make a point so this was my naivety when similar to yourself in the first feeling. I had when. I first competed at tennis. Wars similar to the gruden racket in our example. You gave one racket everyone else. At least two. I had my school bank. It was in my school bank with a handle stick i. I had the same shoes. I wore for school award for social that wolfer sport and i had what i support was a tennis t shirts right so i thought this was a tendency share and everyone at the tournament pointing at me laughing taking mikio. This was a disney t-shirts. An eyesore was a tennis t shirt because you fee was holding a tennis racket. Looping there's a collective cringe from the listeners. There are listening now. The you know that that was how naive i was too. And i remember the equivalent of what you said and going away and and stain to my mum. Look i've got breaking. Up t shirt. And i'm thinking it's a tennis t shirt a needs for the next tournament. I need some kit and we went. Cna's you remember seeing around with teenagers. And i go up. Plain white t shirts like a rhyme neck t shirt a plain blue jumper and tracksuit bottoms wherever still disable choose and i walked up to the next tournament. Thinking i was a million dollars and everyone ripping me because it wasn't branded. How many staff stones do i have to so go and get whatever brand. And then they're like. Oh but it's not adidas nike or wherever you know so it just shows i think this is mindful. We have to or kids have to be about who they are and what they see in what you do when people don't have the same equipment and gaidar's them. Yeah no it's not. That just made me think. Oh my so. I used to gates to regional training sessions Soften which was based ego from heightening to southern off the school. That's like almost an hour and three quarters on public transport up to two hours on public transport. I can still remember which cheap line victoria line than the northern line and the bus number is the got and we used to. it was meant to be An hour and a half of tennis split by forty five minutes. So fitness training Yeah i remember fitness trainer. That telling me i had to get pair of running shoes so i shouldn't be doing my my gym. Training and montana shoes would have been thirteen. That was on. I didn't have any running shoes. I didn't have any training shoes on your tennis. Shoes I remember saying this to my mom and dad needs get you know. fitness trainer. Says he's going to get our training chase so our remember. I didn't know who. I was autumn. Among when my dad basically Yeah coming home. One day thing. We got some training shoes for you that you can use the gym. But they will faint. Nike's from ca fake nike. And you could just tell by the checkout uptake. Nike's but i have no idea this is going to be humiliating icon possibly wealth and And i never. They stayed in my tennis bag. Anyway for the training sessions and I do remember the train saying to my thoughts your she. She needs some training shoes. Dad's saying well she's got some and me just kind of lying whatever pretending oh forgotten. They were because they didn't want to get them out. They fake cheese rice arithmetic. The west ticket could find but not feeling off on gusts. Well you know. I can't say this. How am i going to say the fitness trainer. She'll never understand you know. I'm sure they know that we don't have a lot of money but i don't think the left a really be able to comprehend how pool we are. I'm what kind of living environment home environment You know always going back to after that training session So yeah nine date night. It's it the big thing comes. If that is again i disconnected. Some people can be or the world of tennis can be to the realities of some people's lives. And if i think of some of the stuff that i do through judy foundation in the east end of glasgow you know you'll get the odd person may be from the outside well. Why don't you just do this. Because they have no money or it'll be things like why don't you just put on this event and it would require them to maybe get a bus to the event and ham saying no no no they will not go out of the one square mile that they live because they don't know that anything. I if that one. They're just saw this inactive from the reality of it. And i remember you know. A lot of the initiatives that we're doing now will actually this definitely. I want to get onto this later on with you is feeding children. You know so. it's like right. Hang on a minute. We're worried about tennis. I remember the last event. Iran in east and glasgow. This thing that got the people along was that we told them they were gonna get fed before we do the activity. You know get forty people coming along you know so maybe let's dig around and not nicer so you because i know that you you are heavily involved in a challenge is a little bit. Yeah so i've been involved with. This echoed rackets cubes them. And i'm very proud of everything. The charts he does The charity I guess was set up to to help kids in disadvantaged areas to introduce them to a rocket sport so it wasn't just tennis You squash table tennis On these These opportunities to try different spouse Hosted aspirational settings so whether it's In a tennis club of sports club isn't fall from the school or university isn't fall from the school but not only do these kids The charity on the pay for coach to Put on a cloth with these kids off to school or during school tons but not only do these. Kids have an opportunity to Do ours sporting activity. They also get extra tuition from teacher. So the so the charge sake pay for a teacher to help these kids with the masks. All federal english after the sport session And they also get a hot meal as well at the end. So you're you're covering Activity you covering education covering nutrition On so for me that. That's huge You know you you're you're helping in three key areas for young children and disadvantaged areas and You know on I guess when when cove it hit the charity hutter I guess be as agile as possible on a doubt To see how they could help these days and we We call it a community bulk so in in one of the schools. that The charity are then They were given us face. Basically sets out Will these community says we relied on donations from other charts. He's like fascia But local donations as well And we sat this community hop where we provided food boxes. Full family to needed them But there was also some material in each box worksheets or whatever but also We try to include every week a sporting activity so wherever was including tennis booze racket. So you know something that Could help encourage them To be active during lockdown It was great and still going on You know. I guess what was different also with with this it wasn't like Going to foodbank. Because if you're a family of someone who Relies on a food bank to provide a lot of information festival. You're actually given a pass to go into The food bank here They just needed to get in touch with the charity tate. Families just needed to get in touch with the charlie old school. They didn't need to provide all sorts of paperwork. It was just a k. Are you struggling. If it's a yes. Hey this is what you can have and this is how we can help you. So you remove I guess a lot of people feel by asking for help by you. Know they need to rely on these boxes. you know. There's a certain amount of embarrassment. Shame that comes with it and that was something we would just trying to take away and he got here. It is on your during lockdown You know get down volunteer Help says and You know it was really rewarding and it was great to meet some of the families. Have benefited mom basin to hear their stories. Because i know if what we've experienced over the past you had happened. When i was a kid we would have been a family that would have to rely on something like this and we were a family that would have benefited Unappreciated that type of help. So you know. I am not sense. I felt like i was doing my bet for the community and continue to do so to be invoked as much as i can and volunteer as much as i can to help others who who don't Quite have the same opportunities and yeah no it's been it's been really rewarding and really interesting for me to to find out more. I guess learn more about the chargeable side of things which has always been of interest to me. I'm always something. I did actually when i was playing as well I used to when i was home. I used to volunteer and help out with sessions that Used to be held locally for for kids with down syndrome who learning difficulties So there was this charity that was linked to the tennis foundation as well and chelsea football club over that football club fulham football club. Actually where kids Who had learning difficulties with down syndrome and siblings would come along Enjoy a tennis session on. I used to love during that after an training used to do once a week You know it's something you know. I'm very big into volunteering If you if you've got the time Is it's a great Yeah it's a great way to to use your time productively to help others We should all be doing as much of it where we can To help a local community. And and i think it it just Helps you also appreciate what you do have monoxide this to you. Know those who train at the national tennis center and those involved in performance that would go these kids around adults around training. There's no reason why they can't give up an hour or two every week when the home and give a little bit back whatever whatever is that interests them just gives you a whole different kind of appreciation for what you do have. Yeah definitely. i couldn't agree more. It's a it's my go-to piece of advice. Like i tend to be in the circle as that. I'm in the can ever if some needless advice for whatever reason they come to me and by often if somebody's in a real bind mentally my number one suggestion is if you've got spare time go volunteer charity and i did it back in the day. Twenty years ago now is going through a bit of a rocky stage mentally. And i went to the kids cancer. Ward in aberdeen and played with the kids for a couple of hours every friday morning and it was the best thing and you mentioned the word rewarding. Is it possible for you to describe the feeling of the reward. Because i think that's the thing that needs to hit home as know. How does it make you feel when you see and work with these people. What i think when you see me. Oh you're having an impact and i'm talking is a tiny bit of him. You know you making tiny difference really in the grand scheme of things but to see. I guess that person smile to see that person. Progress to see that person really appreciate and value your help the best feeling ever And it costs. Nothing cost nothing. You're doing it because you want to do it. You're doing it for the Because you want to help those involved I don't see yes. It takes time but you know we all actually as busy as we are we. We can all find time to do the right thing. If we really put our minds to and It's just having a general awareness on. I think a lot of people in the tennis bubble training to be a professional athlete thing. They never have time to do anything. Actually you do you. Do you probably have more time as a professional player. But you will take once you hang up your racket. Ca just internal a greater sense of appreciation for what you do have on the life you lead because there are so many others A who is easy to to say it and talk about it but until you put yourself in difficult environment than you experiences through office. I think it's really difficult to to grasp big timing. Yeah definitely and it's like that if you go if you use a spectrum if that's the right word but if you go from selfish to selfless people that work in charities are incredibly selfless and if you use the example of our world maybe for some right reasons as well you have to be selfish to be a professional. You're at the center of all the work. And but i think for them to dip into the selfless even. If it's an hour a week. I read actually wrote in the horizons and give them a healthier perspective. Big time. you're any professional tennis players. They're get on. It will have biggest bug bare. I've been going on about it for a long and take on board and some. Don't one thing that i i'd like to light move onto which kind of overlaps into what we said already it. Will your best friends and your teenage tennis years. Describe if you had the rate people that helped you come through that pd. It's almost the opposite from the mean. Girls can out in terms of my peers. I didn't i didn't have any. I didn't have any better threatens. I had friends acquaintances but I don't think there was that one person growing up And Absolve coaches with different people. I can't say there was one person. thought really It's not fair to say that didn't have a big impact on me but there are a lot of people people who helped me on my journey. That's for sure. But but because if anyone i would've been my siblings brother and my sister who maybe it's just for shedding experiences that i could relate you'd relate to each other on und- recline of new They they were aware. I guess so. The extra pressure. I was under from that on the expectations. He had of me despite they both played up to. You know very good county national junior players. But they were never on the same path as i was in terms of international and potentially going pro So if it yeah. If there was anyone would have been my brother and my sister who i think really understood the journey autozone. I think it would have been really difficult for for others And i think full for coaches hops too much to take home the background and yeah that there was some really good people are i worked with and i remember. Do you remember chevron woche an amendment named the a to not. I see a national case american. Former player she worked for the guy for a while and i remember she used to pick me up one afternoon from school. And take me down to redbridge sportscenter at half an hour with her and she'd be all waiting in the call kind of outside the school gates wondering if anyone was going to eg car back then but Yeah she was always. Yeah always and always helpful On the tennis cool. But i never felt like i could radio. Open up the coaches. I never felt they would have a at the time to really understand. Be there was a bit of pride. Well i didn't. I wasn't prepared to talk about what was going on to anyone. Because i didn't have there wasn't enough. Trust was trust but not enough for me to feel comfortable opening up And whether that would have made a difference longterm oh. I don't know but that it's only after i hung up my tennis rackets That i actually feel comfortable have felt comfortable talking about my upbringing and the pressure. And you know my background. There's a lot of stuff we've already spoken about. One would never spoken about two journalists or anyone else. 'cause yeah i didn't i never felt confident enough and i never really will. Though i was always out go from hackney from his london. I i just wanted to be accepted and i just wanted to. There was always a desire to fit in and be the best player possible. And i was conscious of that but i think now you know anyone else from similar background or environment hopefully would be made to feel more comfortable about talking about it. Robin that being perhaps nothing to be embarrassed about definitely was a time. Where if you think back in your the say the ages in your whatever where you turned it into almost a badge of honor. I know that happened to me but it was much later. I think obviously. I never played professional tennis but much later. I think i was in my thirties before actually turned to. I'm freaking proud to achieve. What i've achieved on widow come from. What was that like for you. Because the was the busa inside In in may throughout my twenties. But also actually once i stepped away was able to reflect on my career Yeah that only came after and actually even even more so once we had our first child and then you realize oh my god. I can't believe my parents did all of a for me. it's only once had. Yeah my kid's a truly understood how difficult it must have been full them The sacrifices that they made those aware of it on os always aware of it. Yeah really hit home then profit. But i didn't know whether that was appalled me that kind of suppress set. It feels a little bit. You hope jackets to come for generations to come. The these are not even issues that people would have to even suppress take the fans that people were going to to speak about it and hopefully in a couple of generations. It's going to be like i do say this. And it's maybe over-optimism believe in twenty one twenty. The children are going to be saying they used to do what the used to be like. You know. I do think it's going to be that way. But she is. We're not going to be here to see. I am gonna lift one hundred and fifty years old of convince myself that's going to happen. I mean if it doesn't work and so in terms of the let's see senior tennis. It transitioned roman. I don't want to transition from junior senior as in the way that we would speak better tennis. I'm talking about us a person. What was that transition like going from being technically junior to to entering that world and did any of the things that we've talked about transfer into that journey. I always when i look back and reflect i. I see a very angry. Young woman between the ages of seventeen and twenty one You know the age where i think is so crucial in young persons development male or female And i was angry. I agree with everything I wasn't mature enough to deal with the things that came my way I wasn't even sure. I wanted to be a professional tennis player. I didn't think i was in the right environment I didn't know any different. I didn't know any different On a yeah. I feel like a lot of those years will waste it And that that is. I guess h where. I'm really conscious now when i see others in that situation On you have to take home life into consideration when you see someone of playing on the tennis school mo jo training. You know there are so many reasons why that person May not be happy. Hats may not feel comfortable talking about it because they don't have that space in half that that person where they feel like they can On yeah i. I mean my results were were very down. That's for sure that was probably not came with my emotional control where osas learned code And i think most people that age. You're just trying to figure life out on your just your grocery now and people mature different rates and from the traveling the world but Quite sure of the direction. I was going in And that that's when. I probably needed someone to be strong with me. And yeah just it will And i think. I felt like i was left to figure it out by myself which it's fine. I'm fine with it now. Because i feel you know i feel like a managed to figure it out myself. A what what would draw. What would have strong loop like in knows years. You said you're need somebody to be strong with me. Who is quick. Strong with me when i was out of line to be firm with me i i guess i had that with my parents the by rebelling against straight up bringing and whatever my parents would have said it'd be like fuck girl find best She later. I'm going off on a trip. You know they might get tax message if i wanna match. But if i lost they they would know about it because they wouldn't hear from me for the days so i deny it. Maybe i think it probably had to be someone outside. My family Someone who who would have been able to who would have by then developed quite strong personality Do i knew everything but it would have taken someone to just be really fun with me and you know pull me off on your out of line. You know and just kept things simple as well whether it was attended school or on the tennis go in that environment. The a set of rules as a these. You know this is a clear kind of gang style for you and this these click goals that we're working on that that's going to help you And these other reasons why Yeah i probably could've taken at that. Stage bit more directive feet and then the word that you mentioned earlier on which rings lighting clear for me is trust. If you don't have trust in that person there's no chance you listen to them. They need to understand use of person and again. It's like twenty twenty. And i it makes me laugh in some way when when you see things like care. Principal performance principles in the first one is person and i'm like oh new shit you know. It's taken many decades for them. Actually realize that it's the person that's most important. And and for years when i think back to the the battles i had with some of my peers what i read voice these types of opinions and they would think are soft for seeing them munis. I would say number one. Nothing is more important than the happiness in the house of the person. nothing. I don't care. What ranking you get to aspirations the achieve. Nothing is more p. Would go pace about that. It's about success but winning and and now twenty years later have you know. Those people don't even work in tennis anymore. I'm going yeah finally admitting that it's all about the person but yeah it kills me absolutely kills me but let's say going to move on in a similar vein but let's take it to fed cup right because i suppose my first question is why. Why did you want to be the fed cup captain. It was always something believed king cup. I think we're faster as as well can go way of saying it but it was always something i i wanted to do at some point in my career Because i always knew. I wanted to stay in tennis. Tennis is won't i know best and it's funny because towards the end of a career. That was something. I used to speak about with bali late lane about toucher alone. Will we spoke are remember the conversations you know i guess 'cause i- friendship lou houghton code says But towards the end we really put aside differences and You know we we will get friends And we had about each other and we realize we were you know i- journeys with with very similar On the challenges. We faced with very similar. We were both different To the rest of the girls. I guess would around in our age group and we also realize when judy was the instigates autho that kind of help repair relationship we also realize it was. It wasn't just us wanting to be the best that fueled at times. Our dislike or a rivalry. There were ovens as well. Fueled it Unfed us false information Who whatever reasons of won't go into but You know we. We re very similar in so many ways more so than at times when we're younger we wanted to would've wanted to admit but we always spoke about gain match up together Because we we played under a number of different captains alongside each other. I i guess we could see the strength Weaknesses in each of the different captains and what could work and how we wanted to do things and and put back to british tennis for our own. Shed experiences So that was always a driver. You know unfortunately probably pass away. Fawzi young I remember when. Judy told me she was gonna quit. Here'a sped cup captain now taken by surprise because some think lost fed cup was some that on on that trip and I remember her kind of talking to me about and hanging around you should. You should go for another time. I i remember thinking. Gosh you know really want to do this. But hopes to soon nine. He retired a few years ago. And i'm doing so many other different things. Now you know. Am i ready and me kind of questioning myself and thinking. I'm not sure i'm good enough full. That's just yet you know on a might not know. I know what's required the job. But i'm not sure i'm ready for it But remember having the discussion also with my husband's saying you know. Should i go for i