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National Secular Society Podcast

05:53 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"The stakes for granted. That was the individual himself or herself. We was so audit of what that decision should be. And that i think is the point of principle that underlies the idea that up. Nobody has the right to stop somebody from taking that life. If they want to listening to episode fifty six at the national secular society podcast produced by pop in the house of lords. A private member's bill to legalize assisted died to some extent was introduced on the twenty sixth of may this year and is likely to have second reading in the present session of parliament much of the opposition to the legalization of assisted dying due to religious groups. The nss is keen to ensure however that decisions about assisted dying a made on the basis of medical ethics and the principle of patient autonomy. This podcast will explode different views on. How and why the law sister dying might be reformed and the opposition which such reform has faced. I be joined by two guests with particular insight into this topic. My first guest. Molly meacher baroness. Meacher is across. Benjamin house applauds president of the haemophilia society and co chair of the party. Parliamentary group for drug policy reform. It was molly who introduced the assisted dyke bill. Into the lord's she has chaff of the campaign group dignity in dying which supports assisted dying paternally. Ill mentally competent adults with six months of iota. Live this time. Restriction forms a crucial part of the bell. My second guest is professor antony railing or ac grilling as he's usually nope. Anthony growling is a philosopher. The master of the college of the humanities and a former professor of philosophy book college university of london gets a patron of dignity in dying as well as another campaign group. My death my decision my death. My decision wants to extend the right to assisted dying to those who are to quit that website. I the mentally ill. Suffering from a severe and incurable condition was offering from a severe degenerative condition. Anthony himself as an independent minded philosopher has argued that the right to this dying should potentially be extended far beyond the six month. Limit advocated by dignity h. Welcome to the podcast. It's a pleasure off..

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

08:04 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"I thought guest is dr. Tony meacham electric coventry university whose research interests include comparative constitutional and the different ways. In which different states treats religion. He was previously civil seventeen australia working. In the areas of social security in higher education. it will be providing objective academic perspective on the place of religion. Tony meacham welcome to the podcast. Thank you very much appreciate. You have me on both festival. What motivated you to write your article. The conversation about Basically i came across the united in the newspaper highlighting that there was a documentary called testify and that was screening in the united states. Todd heard of the pets affair in general saints as pickle. Have and i was intrigued about it. Saying i'm interested in concentration lawrence specifically Secularism in the states relationship to religion. Not so we'll twice having look at. What the documentary olivet saying. What was the vegas documentary. And so on so there are a number of points in that duck. I found well. For example they were showing how was being traded around the world that's different states like new zealand. The united states countries in europe and they were the past affair with saying if we're a recognized religion than we should be getting benefits tax breaks of the things that Organized religion only get you so for example. Simple things like if you have a religious headdress than there. Exemptions have getting driver's license four people who have of a recognized religion to have religious headdress. So the way have went to. We should get that exemption in the why not so. They tried to talk. What are the parameters for that exemption will broadly have defining religion through the definition of a hindrance at the point so it making was simply sign If you're saying not a religion proof we are not give us the the parameters by which you defined religion would find what is a religion so i thought it electorally. That's an interesting argument. Had the desert because in centuries past its phillies today's mice countries you've only had one dominant religion and when you said religion what you were talking about. Was that religion in the united states for example early as you were talking bad had christianity in particular protestantism. So the two were interchangeable terms in walden times. However it's been interesting to see. The state tried to determine things that require a definition of religion but having a definition that is all incumbency that covers every particular perspective said so his the the idea of the need to define religion really been forced upon states over the centuries by the emergence of new religions. Well it stopped metro force. I guess Religion has always had a place in communities and with that his head a particular So for example. If you look at the charities act the united kingdom it toys dane accepted that religion has a charitable purpose that the educate people fade them. They do good things so in centuries past when you head in the charities act that the charities act will allow a charity to be registered for the purposes of advancement of religion in the term religion was understood. And you didn't have to work from that. You distributed Way the local branch of the dominant religion we obviously have a charitable purpose Charity full education. Whatever has now been submitted to you in so this should be no difficulty in recognizing replication. But in recent years defining religion has been more problematical. How is religion currently defined in english the pence iced definitions of anything Usually i need to find legislation for the purposes of that legislation for the purposes of just one pace legislation. You might have a dif- nation that doesn't match with others signing Said that the charities act which defines has religion for the purposes of of charitable Would include the advancement of religion than we've got the equality act twenty ten Making religion belief that protected characteristic. And then we've got the human rights act will so to these three have different definitions of relational have different definitions being developed with them. Well i do like lawyer hit but the the pins if you take the charities act it says some religion includes a religion which involves belief in more than one god and a religion which does not involve belief in god which is terribly clear. It still seems to understand what religion is so much of the discussion on nath the charity. Exactly the definition to the courts which doesn't help. Because if you really haven't got any sort of parameters for the courts than the courts really at to make stuff head of whole cloth. If looking at employing the tribunals i've looked at belief in spiritualism psychic powers anti fox hunting beliefs the virtues of public service broadcasting humanism but at the same time they said a Police conspiracy theories and that probably should be for red remembrance day. Not religiously points for example. You get if you're the religious viewpoint that says they should not be like the quake. Quakers tend to have philosophical viewpoint. That says well. It should be self-evident. War is a silly thing. Then is that philosophical viewpoint to adjust individual opinion The fact that's i'm the quakers pacifists should the fact that that debt pacifism is connected with their religion give that beliefs a protected status which wouldn't do if The people who pacifist but nonreligious us vests attorney meacham. Thank you very much thank you. This episode was produced by the national secular society. All rights reserved the views expressed by contributors. Do not necessarily represent those of the ss. You can access the shirt nights. And subscribe information for this and all episodes at secularism dot org to a to k ford slash podcast. The feedback comments and suggestions. Please email podcast at secularism dot org dot uk. If you enjoyed this episode please subscribe and leave a positive review wherever you can. Thanks for listening. And i hope you join us next time..

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

02:14 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"This was used in several cases By the european human rights and what what ultimately turns on is the seriousness criteria. Which is obvious probably because Because of the the many parody and satire elements in in pasta foreign ism so dutch administration officials and judges they have consistently not accepted the seriousness of the believers in question. So they say well. You're okay coaching. It's coaching now. It's There is enough cohesion in in the belief And the the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster bought. And there's enough importance. An important is actually an easy criterion. Because that's the only means How important it is to the believer in self right separately. Subjective than yes so. That's subjective ended. that's an easy huddle to take but the seriousness That's that's the problem because they say well there's an element of a parody And it's it's so pervasive this this parody elements that there is not enough. Seriousness left so we cannot call this a religion in the legal sense of the european code human rights so You don't have religious reasons for your colander so we cannot accept this This photographs and so currently past furnace amend general in the netherlands is just doesn't have any recognized legal status it doesn't it doesn't B because this the same killing who founded the church of the flying spaghetti monster. He got the church recognized at the chamber of commerce which is a separate procedure a to to to register an organization such as an association or a foundation You have to register with the chamber of commerce and the the church is is is a separate.

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

05:47 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"The plans reflect the growing influence of evangelicalism within the church under adjusting. Well these tenure as archbishop of canterbury the plans have caused considerable consternation amongst the clergy. Much of this stems from the apparent desire to de prioritize the power system in favor of groovy highs judges led by light people rather than priests writing in the church times andrew brown coal the planet. Suicide note likening. The proposals to the judge tearing off its buildings and its priests and rushing stark naked into a will that couldn't can ass but given the churches privileged in prominent public role. It isn't only the anglican faithful. That should be perturbed. The new evangelical surge will ring long bells for anyone concerned about religions propensity to impose itself read. It isn't wanted speaking in the senate prudence daily. A lay member of the oxford diocese said the church needed to reach people where they are one place where impressionable people of course is in school. Unsurprisingly the church of england's vision is very much focused on children and young people according to the archbishop of york he stretched involve a boulder commitment to christian education and ministry with children. Young people and students. He says he wants to double the number of children and young active disciples in the church of england. By twenty thirty to achieve this there will be a particular emphasis on work with children and young people and full utilization of the resource and opportunity of church goals but the churches ambitions extend beyond church. Gul's this vision for education. Document from twenty hundred makes clear its intention to influence the education of children and young people in community schools independent schools. Six foam colleges further education colleges and universities but utilizing state funded education for evangelical purposes is both educationally inappropriate and insensitive to the dusty religion belief in modern britain but a combination of desperation and missionary zeal. Within the judge. Means it will stop a nothing in trying to save itself. The church does of course have every right to spread the good news all night. Christ known as cultural pertz. But it shouldn't have the right to do this. Fire state funded education. Unfortunately politicians bias towards the status quo and they're seemingly unshakeable deference to religious interests means they lacked the backbone to stand up for this important principle despite church attendance forty forty percent in the last thirty years. The church of england's rolling state education has increased and in part thanks to our anglican bishops unique ability to shape legislation and parliaments on the government some willingness to challenge the church on anything the legal framework that underpins england schools is ill equipped to stand up to inappropriate evangelism in fact it positively supported for the stop. The government continues to fund schools. Which are run by religious groups to advance their own interests. Whilst providing state education the church of england controls over four and a half thousand state funded schools in england so many in fact that almost three in ten families have little or no option other than a judge. School itemization also relied churches to expand their reach beyond faith schools and increase that influence over all schools including those with no religious character religious education. Once the only compulsory subject remains mandatory for all peoples in state funded schools despite being unpopular and having an unclear educational purpose controlled by religious interest groups. This subject provides yet more space for the promotion of faith schools religious characters. Still t- chari confession louis. With little pretend to be an objective critical or pluralistic and inexplicably. The law still required schools to provide a daily act of broadly christian collective worship providing evangelical with yet another platform to impose christian faith and practice on people's yet despite all of the above just one percent of eighteen to twenty four year olds said daniel. Identify the church of england. Nevertheless undeterred the cfc's placing young people right at the center of its new missionary offensive in a last ditch. Attempt to resurrect itself. cultural insists. Vision is not motivated by the downward sloping graphs but by a desire to share the abundant life. We have in christ with everyone either way. He apparently sees access to children. And young people through state funded schools as a god given right and institutionally homophobic organization with a mission reveal is hardly an ideal provider of state education in one of the world's my secular and religiously diverse nations children like adults should be afforded freedom of religion or belief a right protected by article. Fourteen of the convention of the rights of the child in schools to be used as mission fields undermined young people's freedom of thought conscience and religion. That's why the national secular society will continue to lobby for inclusive secular education system that protects people's evangelical all religious stripes and as an increasingly influential evangelical strand of anglicanism takes. Hold the time is right to rethink the church of england's privilege role in state education not to mention its established status.

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

06:56 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Helping the public shouldn't mean pushing religion. People written redfearn by making medicine first published by the national secular society on the twelfth of july. Twenty twenty one. Is it reasonable for councils to ask organizations delivering public services to do so without pushing religion on vulnerable people disappointingly. A parliamentary group. No longer seems to think so one of the most important contributions of the all party. Parliamentary group on faith in society was it's faith covenant the fleet covenant was established as an agreement between faith groups and local authorities to lay out a set of principles that guide interactions between them and the general public. It helped to address the potential conflict of interest. That can happen. When religious organizations deliver public services in the past the nss has publicly supported the fight covenant and recommended its use with public authorities one of the commitments for faith groups agreeing to the faith covenant was serving equally all local residents seeking to access the public services. They offer without proselytizing irrespective of their religion gender marital status race ethnic origin age sexual orientation mental capacity long-term condition or disability. This is a key. Part of the covenant. A common concern is that faith. Groups may discriminate against people of different religions and beliefs or lgbt identities in particular and the covenant explicitly protects against this. Another common concern is that faith. Groups may try to evangelize to service uses which was forbidden by the without proselytizing clause. That is until now. Around the beginning of this year the on faith and society quietly removed the words without proselytizing from the covenant as a result the covenant offers no protection to the public against unwanted evangelism. Ato minutes from the ap. October meeting reveal some faith. Groups opposed the without proselytizing clause. Stephen timms said faith groups in southampton felt that the without proselytizing clause meant that. They can't do any religious outreach. Work and reverend debbie celine said. The clothes was a stumbling block for a couple of churches. This would suggest that these groups doing fact wished to proselytize to service uses something that the faith covenant was originally meant to prevent and which demonstrates the need for an explicit non proselytizing. Close the decision to remove without. Proselytizing is a big step backwards which has been taken primarily for the benefit of faith groups and not for the benefit of public services surely the needs and welfare of the public particularly vulnerable members of the public. Who are most likely to depend on. These services should prioritized in any agreement between local authorities and service providers. There are many religious organizations. The gladly refrain from proselytizing while helping the public last year. The university of sheffield and leeds published a report entitled faith responses to modern slavery which found that several religious organizations working to tackle. Mon- slavery have self safeguards that warn against discussing faith with clients. It concluded that all organizations in contact with potential survivors of mon- slavery should implement the non proselytization clause of the human trafficking foundation slavery and trafficking survivor care standards but not all religious groups abide by this one. Such group is azalea which says it provides support to women involved in sex trafficking azalea is expanding it registered as a charitable incorporated organisation nastier in luton and appears to have opened a hiwickum branch last month as as work helping survivors of sex trafficking is in noble and important undertaking doubtless. It has helped many individuals dealing with appalling circumstances but some of his alias. Policies and methods are cause for concern. Azaleas website says. The organization was established in prayer and that prayer is quote essential for the fulfilment of the vision that we will see an end to commercial sexual exploitation and sex trafficking. It says prayer is always offered to the vulnerable six traffic to women and men. It's volunteers work. With and the prayer is almost always accepted however well intentioned this offer of prayer one moss question the extent to which his alias clients feel. They can refuse the offer. The faith responses to modern slavery report found some survivors who had sought help from religious organizations had experienced pressure to attend religious services because they felt it was a requirement for the support offering assistance to desperate people with religious strings. Attached can cross the line into exploitation azalea has received funding from public authorities including the bedfordshire police and crime. Commissioner and is partnered with luton borough council. It's worth noting that luton is one of six local authorities identified by the on faith in society as interested in adopting the new faith covenant if the council had adopted the previous covenant it could easily rain in any desire to evangelize that partner organizations may have but there is nothing to prevent this tool in the new covenant the key purpose of the faith covenant was to increase around commissioning services from faith based organizations removing the no proselytizing clause does the opposite it can only undermine confidence in faith groups delivering public services partnerships between local authorities and support groups. Both religious and secular can provide much-needed support to the most vulnerable members of our communities. And we should expect the highest standards of ethics from any organization that's working with local authorities to provide a public service that must include an agreement from all parties not to exploit their position to try and gain converts or save souls through proselytizing when delivering services to the public. The priority should be the welfare and dignity of the public not the.

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

05:42 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Was the two hundred and fifteen causses. First nation located hyun scattering. It's about forty five minutes. Outside of regina there was a residential school. they're called the maryvale indian residential school and people knew there was a cemetery there. They weren't sure of how big it was her. Who is all there because when the school closed down and Whatever headstones or whatever were removed by by the catholic church so although there was at one time recognition that was the headstones removed and so did reserve community had to do their own investigation and and try to locate where these graves are. Is it not why. The catholic church remove the gravestones because they were leaving the reserve. They probably thought that was their property so they took it. What has the catholic church done in canada to acknowledge the role that it played in the schools but both as a whole end individual institutions within individual churches the individual churches and the the catholic church institution have reacted very differently. The institution itself has has drug their feet on acknowledging their role in their part they played. In the destruction of indigenous communities indigenous families they had committed to fundraising and providing a financial support for indian residential school survivors and the agreed that they would pay twenty five million and they didn't. I think the camera with three million said they were not able to raise them the twenty twenty five million that they they agreed to and so the court said okay. Fine left okay. Canada has made attempts to get the catholic church primarily the pope to issue an apology our recognize their part in their role. They played in in the destruction of indigenous families in the destruction of indigenous people here in canada and they've chose not to but when it comes to individual churches individual people here in Their attitude is different although many of the The ones that are here now had no knowledge of the schools. They didn't are taken the schools. They are recognizing the role. The catholic church played in these places and a lot of individual. Churches are reaching out and showing support and trying to build those bridges and recognizing the wrongdoing. That happened. but they're doing it individually. What what would you to stay the catholic church doing as a whole to to help. Sort of bring about truth and reconciliation. I think there have been a lot of things done. A lot of things that have been asked that the catholic church as an institution and they've failed and for me. I'm only speaking for me. Come tired. I'm tired of asking if they aren't willing to even recognize the wrong than saying saying i'm sorry now. Having the pope come out and say. I'm sorry that really doesn't mean anything. It doesn't erase more than hundred years of history. And what is i'm sorry to do..

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

03:05 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Bed was empty and she never came back she. She doesn't know what happened to her things like that. Those those are comments stories. That a lot of survivors witnessed children just disappearing in the night. The going to bat an waking up in their beds empty just these disappearances in there's people to survivors talked about in in the middle of winter having to dig holes in in the middle of the night. And you know being cold in digging the holes and just not my lighter digging the holes. I think they knew either digging holes so we have people that have always told these stories of of these children that are buried there there somewhere there and so these carry these stories have been carry forward and they were documented and they were shared with children. Conciliation committee and when the final report from the truth and reconciliation committee was submitted. One of the things requested was money to survey all these schools. Locate these graves. And do what was right. You know recognize these children and allow people to have that closure allow people to agree for them because they weren't allowed that opportunity but for some reason the amount that was requested. I think around three million dollars. It was denied and this is by the canadian government. The canadian government denied that they didn't want to do it so a lot of communities Why can kamloops. The community decided to look. They invested the money. They are the ones that are looking at trying to locate these cemeteries that they know. Are there these that they know are there and locate greg Gravesites that they aren't aware of like this happening brandon as well brandon manitoba. There was a number of Grave sites that were that people were they were there but no one listened when they they said. You know you can't bill. They're they're cemetery. there's people are. There's there's children that are buried there because it was near the site of an old residential school and so they've been ignored like indigenous. People have been saying that these things are there but no one was listening and it wasn't until kamloops and that was the. Yeah that was in june..

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National Secular Society Podcast

04:19 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Not one single residential school was ever built with a playground but every single residential school had apple space for cemetery. You're listening to episode fifty four of the national secular society podcast produced by the puck. I will be looking at canada's residential schools for indigenous children and the role that the catholic church running them. This episode contain some distressing material in eighteen. Seventy nine nicholas flood davin. Alleged journalist and politician was asked by the canadian government to investigate circled indian education in the usa and.

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

03:56 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

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05:22 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Seven conclusion the coolest greater equality. Greg greater rights for lgbt bt. People like many others is served by having a white white area of free speech and any limits on listen quite extreme cases. Free speech means nothing if it doesn't include the rise of people with whom i disagree so i'm open to people criticizing me. That's their right like even do so in quite strong robust language providing the inside bottom so make false damaging allegations. That's why are a number of occasions. I have defended christian street preaches who have spoken out against homosexuality but they haven't been threatening or abusive just expressed the point of view. And i believe their right but he quickly. i don't believe they should be prosecuted as criminals. We have to challenge them protest against them. Show why they're wrong but criminalization is a step too far. Which side of the line would would you put insulting. There is no right in human rights law to not be insulted or not be offended the right to make strong rebuffs criticisms to ridicule sata other points of view that is perfectly just must in a free society. I've is involved with the national second society in a campaign to remove the insult close from the public order. Act nineteen ninety-six. We argued that insult was too low threshold to justify a criminal offense. We got together with a very broad coalition including seven. Pays like admittedly. David davis with whom i do not normally agree and successfully persuaded the government to repeal the insult close from the public order. Act now that was a very significant victory for free speech. We followed up that success with a further success. A short time afterwards against a government bill that sought to penalize causing nuisance or annoyance. We said these were vague. Subjective terms that could be open to very wide abuse an- again we persuaded the government to drop those clauses and finally pizza. What would you say. The main obstacles that remain to achieving full. Lgbt plus collapsed in britain. Today we have made great progress here in britain but we should never forget that right up until nineteen ninety. Nine britain had by volume the largest number of anti lgbt plus laws of any country in the world. Some of them dating back centuries yet. Fourteen years later with the legalization of same sex marriage and twenty thirteen britain had some of the best lows. That is a phenomenally successful lower phone campaign but there are still issues five win. We're still battling to secure a ban on l. gb plus conversion therapy to reform agenda vacation. Act to give trans people right to self. Ide- buys touched declaration which exist in many other countries and of course to secure lgbt plus inclusive education in schools with no exemptions opt-outs for faith organizations. And all these three issues. It is religious organizations that are kicking back trying to block progress. The number one focus of resistance to lgbt plus rights in britain and around the world is organized religion. The good news is that religion.

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National Secular Society Podcast

05:43 min | 1 year ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Certainly the church refuses to accept same sex marriage. it won't even less same sex relationships. It will bless dogs and cats warships and tanks but it won't last loving same sex couples listening to episode fifty three of the national secular society podcast produced by emma. Park it is hard to think that many fifty five years ago having a love affair with someone of the same sex as yourself was a criminal offence or that the age of consent for gay sex was only reduced to sixteen two thousand and one or that same. Sex marriage was only permitted by law in england wales and scotland in twenty fourteen and in northern ireland not to last year the.

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National Secular Society Podcast

07:16 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Be provided at the end of the podcast. We'd love to hear from you and state should be separate written and read by stephen evans from the national secular society on november. Twenty twenty ahead of the national secular societies twenty twenty braga lecture argued the disestablishment of the church of england is right in principle and could benefit church and state to like. This is a busy period of anniversaries. For disestablishment tyrians twenty twenty mocks santini the disestablishment of the church. You miles new year's day. Twenty twenty one will mark one hundred fifty years since the church of all was disestablished but when will be the turn of the church of england. The church's hierarchy has shown little enthusiasm to take the lead on this the current archbishop of canterbury justin welby has said disestablished in the church of england wouldn't be a disaster but said the removal of its privileges should be a decision for parliaments and people in his book cuts the connection disestablishment. In the judge of england. The full of bishop woolridge colin buchanan. Said this seems to be almost principle of history. That leads isn't establish. Churches often have difficulty in thinking positively about this establishment that when that came both the church of ireland on the church in wales took this establishment like ducks to water submerged. So that fifty is on the church. Abandoned is celebrating one hundred fifty years of independence from the state. We destruct line free to shape. Future welby himself preached judge one hundred fiftieth anniversary service. He remarked higher. Gold reminds us constantly of temporal security of complacency and reliance on riches and without any apparent already said disestablishment liberated the church of england from that but despite the upbeat nature of the one hundred fiftieth celebrations. Disestablishment wasn't universally regarded so positively at the time reflecting on the separation. The of all moss spoke off widespread uncertainty about whether the church could survive financially and also that it might frighten men into different doctrinal ecclesiastical factions nevertheless survive it did and it now recognizes that disestablishment naval the church to find a fresh. Its independence mission. All these the sunlit uplands that could wipe the eileen church of england should he decide to forgo its privileges. The church of england policy in relation to the state today is a massive for the church. But the state's approach to this matter is all about business and the arguments and maintaining the established church looking thinner by the day. The majoritarian argument for an established church is gone. Few two percents of people in england regularly worship at churches only one percent of people aged eighteen to twenty four saturday belong to the i know the half the population said i don't belong to any religion for all its claims of being presence in every community it's relevant people's lives doesn't justify prominence in public life any argument that the church provides the nation with some sorts of morally ship has also long disappeared. Most of us no longer look to clerics ethical guidance quite the opposite with the moral compass cloudy by dogma. Religious leaders of often proved an obstacle to desirable unpopular progress on issues such as assisted dying and same sex marriage recent findings from the independent inquiry on child sexual abuse that the church covered up abuse. Guide abuses a place to hide an often offer damore support and victims shouli places in the final nine in the coffin of any moral leadership argument for retaining state. Church the argument from tradition isn't such argument ford establishment as the absence of one warnings of irreparable damage to the uk social and cultural fabric. All little more than thinly veiled prescriptions russia designed to create the impression that this is topics And never will be possible. But it's a matter of historical record that disestablishment can does occur and we favorable consequences. Perhaps the main arguments advanced these days. Preserving established church is it a secure platform for religion more generally in the public square but why should religion enjoy special platform to participate in public life. Religious voice should of course be free to participate in the affairs of the nation but it should be on terms of equality not privilege that interests should be given a mole than any of the special interest groups. The pretense that we're still a christian country lacks fantasy and it makes it harder to foster any sorts of inclusive national identity that we can blame to irrespective of religious beliefs or lack of them. They're all those who won't relatively benign church of england axeas sort of bulwark against moore extremists phones of religion but the presence of established church gets fundamentalist religious groups which are more reactionary than the church of england foot in the door ended can bishops some of the most infused ask proponents of multifaith as the light. Christopher hitchens noted the barbarians never take city until someone holds the gates open to them. And it's your own multicultural sororities. Who will do it for you and indeed christian privileges morphing into multi-faith him. That's fueling the fragmentation of society it's led to the spread of fight schools erosion of freedom of speech and the name of tolerance and respect and the ghettoisation of ethnic minorities all of which undermines the notion of common citizenship. A secular state would be better place than establish church to keep the more destructive elements of religion in check. Many anglicans also agree with the principle of church sites. Separation nyc theological arguments for it as examples of wiles than island show. Disestablishment could breathe new life into the church. Virtually every other church in the world manages fine on two feet. The church of england could to writing in the times newspaper in nineteen ninety nine the religious commentator clifford longley said any christian church which still needs official state privilege for supporters chosen to monica itself to a spiritual copes in their halts. Everybody knows it but no one will admit it for the time. Being the church still appears on ready to unshackle itself from the copes those who benefit from religious establishment will instinctively cling to not. Miss the bishops. Whose seats in has laws give them considerable political lobbying power and prestige but if we value equality and democracy disestablishment needs to happen. It's right in principle and would be an important step towards recognizing all citizens.

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

03:39 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Consider myself to be alone. I'm very happy my company but even uncertainty is a bit too far so zoom is great. But it's sending a substitute for feis right face to face interaction and in the long term. Think at the inability to disconnect from work can have negative implications on productivity as well. Some people really appreciate to need that barrier between work and home life that the office and the commutes provides so working from home is definitely here to stay but for me. The office role remained the primary place of work an important meeting space. And for me. It's where the magic happens. And of course. We moved office this year as well. During the lockdown we actually moved out of a small somewhat dingy office in conway hall. And we've got a nice new office. So i'm really looking forward to get everyone back here and we're also look into expand the team as well which is part of the reason why we want to move. We want to bring someone else. In next year to focus specifically on our engagement with members and supporters to help us better communicate through what we do and if we can bring someone in to help out with the comes work that will free up time. Hopefully for the campaigning stuff. Because we've certainly got a lot of campaigning to do over the next year as alison said. The ori reforms will reach some sort of conclusion as a hate crime in scotland a next year. of course we'll see the follow reports of the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse to which is an issue. We've been very much engaged in and so this year it'll be well next year. Twenty twenty one being dressed in see what recommend we. We've argued for a mandatory reporting laws to compel religious institutions to report known or suspected abuse to the relevant secular. All started being trashed in civics. Go that way. A senate hurt. They will so a lot of things to look for. Two hundred. Twenty one from my perspective is look forward to exploring secularism in the podcast. not just also very much internationally. What guarantee lookit secularism or the lack of russia beginning to look at macy in fronts. And we're going to commemorate. Charles bradlow the ns s found..

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National Secular Society Podcast

04:05 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Which hopefully fingers crossed touch wood will be better year. I'm what are you most looking forward to in the coming year chris. Let's start with you as anything i think. Just looking. What hunting based on kind of said to disassociate mobile existence. And i think not everybody by Especially episode stuck Before the end of the year at the end of each year since often an assessment of its do a quick round office favorite. It's approximately published articles site to sit down. Yes he's gone through all weekly yet. he's she getting that. Did i just that quite enjoyable things together. She is taking stock. The via. i just remind yourself some of some of the stuff that we do. We have set the hats to make a goal going. Alistair was fat you Meeting more members it is something. I have missed this year On my first day back at work in twenty twenty which was the first of april. I'd been on a paternity leave. I cancelled thirteen events Many of those within rebe subsequently. And i've done talks around the country online around nine five this year and next year i hope to do more Talks for the first year against online again a so. Hopefully that will be one. Your llahu grapevine. We're looking forward to when we can move those talks to impersonating i think. Just the ability to to be getting out there and to talk. Be talking to people about what they can do. Not just going and talked about the problems with five schools by she. Talking collaborating about actual activism things people can do with already mentioned also the exploring sexism project and seeing the next generation of those educational resources in the same goals is something. I'm really looking forward to and The opportunities created around a curriculum reform in wales. Really for not up now sense really interesting. Impulsive meghan bet you. I'm looking forward to getting back into our office. I've missed having in person contact with my colleagues. There are some advantages to remote working. But there's lots of disadvantages as well. And i really miss being able to talk with my colleagues in the office. We discuss a lot of the work we do. We always work carefully and we try to discuss and get as many different opinions as possible. What we're gonna do. And i think that makes us that helps us make better decisions so i am looking forward to that. I also looking forward to another online event that we have planned. We are currently planning and online talk with oil. Who has written a book about george holyoke. Who is another figure in the history of secularism and the ss. So we were not sure exactly when this is going to be. We are hoping early spring. Watch this space. Thanks now. Stephen you are actually in the nss offices at the moment. What's it like. Well it's a little bit quiet at the moment but yeah so for me. Certainly getting the team back together in the office with more regularity and just returning some sort of normality in terms of human interaction is something. I'm really looking forward to. There's been a little talk about kobe. Nineteen spelling the end of the office. But i'm to me. I think it's made me more grateful for rates. There are certainly benefits to came from home. But i think many of us starting see the downsides to the social aspect that was talking about of working with colleagues. it really shouldn't be underestimated. We do work quite collaboratively. So it's it's. It's just harder to do that if you're not in person with each other we are largely social animals on the isolation and loneliness of homework and is significant to fine for some people..

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National Secular Society Podcast

02:36 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"It works really well again. I think that Partnering with conway hall conduct to a new audience and yeah it was. It was a big success. It was something very different what we've done before but it. It really did work. And that's something we can maybe think of in the future particularly if we want to an have lectures with people from overseas for example and doing some of our lectures online. Could what could you well. It's to record podcasts. With people in different countries. If you do it for sure i mean. We had our first. Virtually issue in efforts virtual bradlow lecture at board meetings of oregon virtual zoo. We've all gone virtual this year and it's been really useful but i think working this way certainly has its downsides to and we wouldn't want wait wait forever but kayleigh going forward. You have a bit of mixed economy of in person events and online events too because as megan's says it weenie does openness up to a new global audience. possibly maybe we haven't quite fully considered previously. Said you're looking in the future. It say hybrid events which both in person and online tenuously just want to say also in in terms of new opportunities for collaboration so we advertised for an offer to work on our education resources. And because we committed that i would be remote working. We received of much a wide variety of applications that role than we had previous day. We ate application people right across the uk who wouldn't be able to move to london for four months. Welcome this project. We received a very high quality application from someone in australia. And ultra we actually Go for them. For that robot we would have been able to find a way free remote working to work. Collaboratively with them had identify anyone else's notice this is where the given that we have been so virtual this year. I do fear. There's been a bit of a lowering of the tone around public discourse. I'm just not in more. Anger ran people being a little bit more vindictive. And i don't know if because we're all living our lives much more online and on social media talking about this year but that's something i've just noticed which i think is an unpleasant development. I think we all need to learn to disagree better and hopefully meeting each other in person again will hopefully just start to kind of walk acid. I mean they always say that it's much easier to fire angry mills than assist. Actually be angry with someone face to face. So i'm sure that's a little bit now. Let's look forward to twenty twenty one..

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National Secular Society Podcast

06:00 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Would have been the biggest challenges for you. This certainly agree with megan. That working remotely bodies challenges. I think we've r- isn't those challenges in numerous ways but certainly thinking back to late spring. The beginning of the lockdown my wife's key worker so she was working for town we got to primary school age children so kind of looking after the nsf and home schooling at the same time was a challenge. It's it's certainly not one on king to repeat a. I'm not a fan of multitasking. At the best of times. But it's really took it to extremes something else that was made more difficult by cove it. I think was getting attention for the issues that we work on. We always look get stores into the media's raise awareness and effect change that way through the press obviously that's that's been a really tough year. Given how dominant covid has been in the news. Numerous times we've been told by journalists. It's a good story. it's important issue. But covert and brexit. Just squeezing everything add nevertheless. I think we've had a pretty good hit right issue. We've had some good coverage in the media but it said something that's been made more difficult. cove aids and before that brexit. And and now concurrent. I've just taken up the whole bandwidth of policymakers and the media. I mean just to give just the strain. We see that these things are putting on governments and their ability to deal with any any other policy area. I just yesterday. I gotta acknowledgement email from a consultation on independent schools which have been submitted in. May and i think any progress has been made but maybe we can solve. Sit if it can see light than the tano With bandwidth that can be freed up than all sorts of issues which been left on the sidelines. Might be able to be picked up and looked at because see him so exciting changes over the next few years on that note. Do you think th On national resources caused by the combination of brexit and covert will have an impact on what the is able to achieve with the government to nikola thirties. Well i think we're still to see what the economic impact of covid will be..

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National Secular Society Podcast

02:56 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Event at the was one it. The sentence Set assented as the was. The kidding samuel passy in france and other subsequent attacks on french settlers came out it was a he was just doing his job. And i'd nominee show continued from china to close incentive free expression and as a result of two officious social media campaign. From the time. I think fault Then there was another. It'd be golf as well as to you too. Personal media campaign against him. I'm than he was expanded version and he took his professional life to public service. He lost his life in the Islamic fundamentalist going threat globally but will at one of depressing many recipes about stories. How many people typically leaders in a lot of countries and summoned west as well as she to the compensation against france berkeley at the wife How is fundamentalism and integration about the merits or otherwise different sectors other any other highlights that. If you'd like to mention nothing. I touch on the hate. Crime bill in scotland. And certainly one of the positives to me is being the coordinated defensive free speech in response the bobby drafted hate crime in scotland. Free speech he's very well defended in the uk. Anyway really so. It's really nice to work alongside other civil society organizations voyeurs autism comedians religious groups opposition. Msp's to get really meaningful changes to the bill. But i think we'll protect both everyone's right to be pretty religion and to disagree robustly as well but it also just. It was good to defend the important principle of free speech. And i don't think there's enough of that going on and i think i'll already touched on the the reforms in wells which are really positive. We've got legislation actually going through the senate amendment to replace already with a new subject of religion values and ethics with secularism specifically listed as a core concept to be studying. We've lobbied really hard on this met with the minister back in january alice's given evidence committee and going back years. We've been liaising with civil servants. Who the people responsible for building this new curriculum on. So it's really been noise to see a lot of that work paying off. We want Stephen daphne Exciting opportunities ahead for curriculum reforming wiles..

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