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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

04:29 min | 11 months ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"With the army in particular he's hugely christian lease a number of providence. When it comes in curiosity listening to episode sixtieth the national secular society podcast produced by park. There are many institutions in britain whose entrenched religious characteristics out of step with are increasingly nonreligious and secularized population among these other monarchy the church of england and closely linked to both the armed forces in this episode. I'm joined by lawrence quinn. A civil seventy formerly worked for thirty five years in the army. Rising to the rank of lieutenant colonel in the royal engineers during the of his service lawrence came to the realization that he had no religion. This led him to explore and question the privileged status of christianity in the rituals and culture of the army. He will be speaking to me about the chief. Ways in which christianity is ingrained in me practices and how this can make non christian and especially nonreligious servicemen and women feel excluded. We will be exploring the reasons why the army continues to maintain its christian character. Despite indications an increasing proportion of its members have no religious belief. Atul lawrence. Quinn welcomed podcast. Aren't you very much for having him..

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Ep 50: The Church of Englands influence over education [TEST]

National Secular Society Podcast

01:26 min | 1 year ago

Ep 50: The Church of Englands influence over education [TEST]

"One school that. I were attacked. They were little pads. On each table. Prayer jelly babies and samantha. Sorry jedi baby or all these types of things get into children and make it difficult for them to kick against the and they want to be good and they to go along with that and they want to believe that these things are true. Listening to pursued fifty of the national secular society podcast produced by the puck. If you many adults today that they would send their children to touch england's school they would probably say yes. Cb schools are often well established and have a reputation for providing high quality education often to. They're the new up shoot in commuting distance. But it's the influence of the church of england along with tila strokes and other legislation is always so benign. The evidence presented in two reports recently published by the national secular society suggests otherwise in particular syndicates that in recent years the church of england has been quietly gaining greater influence over state schools. Even those that are not fiscal. One of the nss is reports on. This topic is entitled. Religiosity inspections the case against faith-based inspections of states it studies the impact of mandatory inspections on pace goes by sponsoring religious group and presents the key arguments polishing such inspections. One of my guests on this episode. Matthew hill contributed to this report. My guest chris. Elway rachel

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

05:46 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"They perceive as liberalization. I'm not really aware of anything directly analogous to the warm christmas myth in the religions. But if anyone in the audience has examples out be fascinated to hear them. What do you think is the best way for secularists. Sanfer mainstream christians themselves. Who are not interested in in this myth to respond to such stories to an extent. There is a legitimate question of whether we need to address it We could simply say as a bizarre seasonal tradition Whose cultural relevance mike well Wax wayne There all people are just looking for the smallest thing. They can use to spin into the warm christmas narrative on. We don't need to be mentoring that by looking for every example of that to expose at but the dark underside and the way that this persecution fantasy is used to advance claims a religious privilege is something that we should address. And i think the warm christmas and addressing that can be quite a use the way of forty days used example of it can be a way to address a fake news claims by exploring it in schools. I think a couple of different ways that we can challenge this mess. The first approach. Which i see a lot on online is humor You can point out the absurd to these claims and satirize them the second approach would be akin to something but i think the psychologist philip perrier's code facts tennis when you relentlessly address. The facts claims you drill into the evidence you point out step by step The reality behind the stories but both approaches can work in some ways but be very ineffective in others so huma is is obviously a very powerful tool but if we understand that the warm christmas is about christian anxieties. Some christians exhaust start losing that dominant culture position. Then we can see that may being the butt of the joke isn't the best way to reach those people and similarly logic and facts when divorce from empathy and understanding a not very effective at changing people's minds so if you engage in fact tennis of batting back every example with the facts about that that cannot just hall and people's positions but because people bought into this idea of the warm christmas emotional level even if you successfully demonstrate that one example isn't true they might just feel on this got to be something there and maybe only examples of if i look into them in detail Some of the. I'm sure there's got to be something Shifts in the narrative is important and getting people to think critically serov than simply going in with facts or sent me going and making fun out of someone in a if you see some sharing this a warm christmas math Off questions say have you personally seen someone told offer saying. Merry christmas. oh you sit. You seem offended. This company has decided to a very secular christmas. Why do you think they made advertising choice. Why do you think the newspaper chose to frame that story in that way. Cetera et cetera. And that plays into the media literacy. I was talking about earlier. Is it possible simply to to ignore those who suggest there is a war on christmas on the grounds that a very small minority and ultimately most people just didn't care yes and we can see christmas as actually a great sector success story and that narrative could be an advantage was why volume into a bitter divisive narrative. Doesn't that really go against the spirit of christmas. Talking of the spirit of christmas in a non narrowly christian sense of course these days in the uk and many other western societies the winter holiday season as we've already discussed features. Numerous different festival celebrated by people who come from different cultural religious backgrounds. Know we've got hanukkah. We've got devoutly on sometimes depending on the we've got enough or adult at given this huge diversity in our society today is there. An advantage may be to just generally wishing people happy holidays or season's greetings on the basis that these wishes a more inclusive or is it still ok to say. Merry christmas. i think happy holidays or season's greetings might strike some radishes Wore americanisms I think that the vast majority of britons of of any faithful non actually do pretty fine job of muzzling fruit. These cultural issues on nations decreasing would just say and increasing. Diversity is a massive cultural change and that change can causing zion in some people that change can lead in some cases to their nausea manifestations but equally that change is just absorbed by people in their lives and if we can break down results official barriers and ignore those who want to enforce them. Then you can wish your friends. You're happy hannukah. Eat mubarak to volley wishes or christmas. And no one's really began to mind all of the above exactly honest election. Thank you very much and looking forward to december for me different at the national secular society. Merry christmas.

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

07:49 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Hosted by emma pock. It's nearly christmas. Time albeit sadly a rather unusual crispus the old english word for christmas. Is you a name which derives according to the english dictionary from the north or something like that. He then festival. Boston twelve days in europe we have been rebelling in feasting in the dacas month of the f. millennia. It was the roman emperor. Constantine who in three hundred thirty six eight hundred decided to graph a celebration of jesus birthday or at least his official birthday onto the roman celebration of the birthday of sol invictus. The unconquered some. This festival took place on the twentieth of december. Just after the winter solstice and midwinter festival in the saturnalia the saturnalia. Like the celebration of christmas. All through the middle ages by many accounts was that rookus boosy and debauched a fan. By the time we get to the seventeenth century. christmas it becomes so wild. At least in england that in december sixteen forty four. An ordinance was passed by the puritan minded parliament that lambasted the citizens of our forefathers who have turned this feast pretending the memory of christ into an extreme forgetfulness of him by giving liberty to connell and sensual delights. In victorian england. Christmas was redefined again as a family event. Thanks not least to the publication of charles dickens heart warming novella a christmas carol phosphor to the twenty century and you might have thought the christmas was nothing more than a clever advertising strategy combined with an opportunity for family arguments or the cultural letting self go. The office. party may suggest. Return to insurance room for so-called warren. Christmas have been circulating in america for over one hundred years according to david. Johnson an academic king's college pennsylvania in the nineteen. Twenties industrialist henry ford alleged that the jews were the ones waging a war on christmas in one thousand nine hundred nine the right conspiratorial john birch society alleged that it was the communists who are trying to take the christ out of christmas law. Recently they're an interest right. Have regularly made allegations of the war on christmas in the twenty first century donald trump most recently claimed to have made merry christmas acceptable again under his presidency. In britain. newsday's we often take a cue from the us trends. Which start over there from fashions and films to ideologies and even conspiracy. Theories will have reverberations on the side of the pond. So has anyone in the uk claimed in recent years. There is a war on christmas. Do any christian groups over here feel threatened by the way. Christmas is celebrated or not celebrated by the rest of us to answer these questions. I'm joined bialystok. Richton head of education at the ns alastair. Hello hi. i'm offense humming again. in december. Twenty seventeen euro two blog post examining the claim by some religious groups and individuals that that was a war on christmas in the uk festival. As far as he'll concerned has the ever been a war on christmas over here. Well i've been fascinated by the war on christmas narrative for men for a long time. I think even. When i was a kid there was a beano christmas special so gone back quite a way where the bass street kids puts on civic play because the head teachers were complaining schools. Don't do the real meaning of christmas anymore. I became very interested in this when writing my master's degree thesis on persecution narratives on us christian rights. I should say this is predominantly an american cultural wall expert. But they're all domestic versions of the war on christmas across the anglosphere and even beyond in this country and of course christian majority informally christian majority countries. of course. the only people who've ever tried to ban christmas have been puritans in that car. Religionists upset to the more secular aspects that all parts of the world where this christmas christians and authorities minorities will be dealing with genuine persecution. And of course this year many people's christmases secular or religious will be disrupted often deeply painfully so by covert. But that's not what the warm christmas murphy's really a balanced. If we look at the first two decades of the twenty first century what were the main instance in the uk in which session christian groups alleged. That was a war on christmas. And what was their response to this illegible. These are too numerous in fall. Two trivial to go into all of them Sorts of things that people in the uk as something. You can go upset about things like an christmas. Outlets featuring non traditional families or visibly non-christian participants christmas messages from companies or institutions. Being to set killa or daring to use symbols but not in an approved way up. Believe greg's one year did a sausage roll thing with the jesus as as as the baby in the manger got. Some certain people very upset schools. And what are often accused of banning christmas if they change or total even cancel made particular seasonal activities as a persistent myth offices are banning. Christmas parties The equality of rights commission even looked into this and found. No evidence shops are often criticized for not selling religious versions of particular items such as advent calendar. So christmas cards when the reality is that shops are commercial enterprises that respond to demand very religious calendars versus and i think calendar with a disney cartoon character. All marvel Outs popula ten taps. You just do. We have often Moral panics a supposed lack of religious literacy. When actually what's happening is people are not having such unified religious ideas and of often Particular christmas seasonal variants are those types of stories are there any particular incidents which he would pick out as in strating this war on christmas allegation. I think the most famous is on. It's actually comes from nine hundred ninety seven so quite a bit but it has had an enduring. Legacy is the winter vo story for those of you. Who may not be familiar with this. Quite in nineteen ninety-seven bumming him. City council had an idea to try and capitalize on the tourism potential of number of culture events. Taking place from october through to fuji. January of of these. Christmas was by far the biggest. But also had guy fawkes night to wally Hanukkah and there's events and so the city council put together brocha cold winter full joy attention to all of the things going on during this time period. Actually quite a quite good idea if you want to get people coming into the city center and spending money but the daily mail uncertain of a sources presented this as a loony lefty council banning christmas replacing it with politically correct winter volt and that myth is continue so every year you will read on twitter and even here in parliament that some local councillors band christmas and replaced it with winter full The daily mail. Repeat this story from time to time. Even though they themselves were forced to printing correction admitting that they've misrepresented.

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

03:07 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Is that accurate and why might that be I think it is accurate to a certain extent but but I'll add to that by saying I don't think there has been no backlash. I think the backlash that you're seeing has been home less explicit and more on I guess more on the demographic side of things I would say. So there has been an exodus away from churches in America. The younger generation in particular is fleeing the church and that Exodus was it accelerated under the Trump Administration and I think in large part because they were using and abusing religion as a political tool as a cudgel to beat people over the head and say this this is why we need to do this and and logically it didn't make a lot of sense for people and it was again being used to justify this hateful & evil public policy things like separating children from their families at Birth. For things like opposing equal marriage for lgbtq Americans. I mean we are now poised as you and I are recording this the Senate is likely going to vote in a Supreme Court Justice and you justice who is going to take away? She's likely Amy Coney Barrett is likely going to write the opinion that overturns Roe versus Wade and takes away a woman's right to reproductive Choice. She's finally going to be the Turning Point vote to flip when it comes to equal marriage. If there is a challenge to that in the future. I could see the court overruling the oberth decision which which allowed and finally said, yes, we do have equal marriage in this country and I think a lot of the backlash that we're seeing is rather wage, then people opposing religion and politics and favoring the state separation of State church. Just leaving religion altogether and saying I don't want that job. Is there a danger in that demographics the underlying assumption there that as people leave religion? They necessarily become what we would call secularists as you might say church-state separation activists. There's no reason for example, you know if we look at President Trump as a perfect example by most credible accounts. He's an atheist. He's he doesn't appear to be anything. Anyway, personally religious of a of course many supporters sincerely are is it that this question nationalism might be more about identity and less about belief faith. I think that Christian nationalism is very much about an identity and it is this incestuous marriage between religion and politics and and I was speaking about this with a couple of other professors sociologists who teach about Christian nationalism here in the United States Andrew Whitehead in Sam Perry and one of the ideas that we were sort of exploring is whether or not American religions birth Actually reorganizing along political lines..

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

08:23 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Was a huge issue during the passage of the monthly bill and I was it lobbied intensely from both sides of the issue. But to me, the car system is discrimination. That is that there is fundamental. Character and of course like all the religions that have come to the United Kingdom because we are still are tolerant and free country imported with different waves of immigration has been the caste system that came with it and I was a minister in the department for International Development for two years back. I saw classed and its practice and the horror of the status of lower-caste despised and mistreated and it is intensely still felt. I remember the arguments about how we I was interfering in a system that had been there and it worked very well and it meant that's had the order of things but it's just totally against equality is fundamentally against your quality and it is and should be a crime to discriminate on the grounds of past wage. The NSS has recently released a report just in September 2020 about how religious privilege in many different ways continues to undermine the quality law even today and get that reporters Faith shaped holes how religious privilege is undermining equality law you then wrote the forward to this report? What were your reasons for doing? So well first off they invited me to do so, but it is a passion that I have as a liberal. I believe Live and Let Live should be the basis on which we conduct ourselves in this world. I also feel that many of the problems of the world stem from religion, you know growing up. I understood it was a force that was supposedly about love and forgiveness and charity and kindness and then when I woke up I found it was also the basis of War deprivation unfairness and guilt. So it seems to me that when it comes to issues such as abortion alcohol homosexuality employment sex education the great organized religions of or like want to have the benefit of our phenomenal equality laws. So long as they don't have to comply with anything they don't subscribe to so they want to have their cake and eat it. They definitely do want to have their communities and you know, as I said during the passage of the same sex marriage will I was often the target of death threats and disparaging attacked from the religious order of my response to those who say violently attacked me and the legislation and who are often the heads of the great organized religions of our world was to use the words advised to me by staying home which were my very strong advice to those who do not agree with same-sex marriage is not to marry someone of the same set. Yep. That sounds like a a good response birth. In in terms of the issues raised in the National secular society report the link Hydro children from knowledge. You tell them you're their parents and took the meat but they agree with you. They'll follow you and in this country where we live and hope to live in harmony with each other, whatever our belief system whatever our particular protected characteristics and some of us have lots of everyone is equal and should be treated equally in all sorts of ways the key principle of secularism in particular is that any form of unfair religious privilege should not undermine the rights and freedoms of others. So this is this is always a question about balancing everyone's right to freedom of religion and beliefs against the possibility that that some people may exploit their position to unfairly affect others. Now as far as the NSS report is concerned the three main ways which it identified there's still a probe. With the current equality legislation are in terms of cost based discrimination, which we've talked about education which you mentioned briefly Faith schools and also employment for you. What is that still the biggest issues in these areas, which need to refer the reform. I do think that some of the exemptions that were in the equality acne reform because the Republicans I fear of using them to only employ people of that particular Faith within there within their Circle, so that is one thing that needs reforming off another is I don't think I really don't think that Collective worship should be something In schools, I just don't think so. I think it is better for schools to have a morning assembly talking about life in general or the news or what's going on in school. I don't think it should be any form of religious worship because as I described for my own experience as a child, you don't want to alienate any group to feel one game is the main group or the more important group or that your your group doesn't matter. You're faced it off to the library While others have offended me. So I think it's very important to remove Collective worship from schools with this been argument for getting rid of faith-based State schools altogether. This guy is beyond what the national secular society are suggesting or indeed what the liberal Democrats of which plan the member have US policy, but on a personal capacity, I would love there to be that that schools are about education and home is about religion wage. Faith, I don't think schools are the appropriate place for it. But that's not where this report is going at this point. It's trying to remove some of the very overt way samples of where the exemptions to the equality act have been labeled religious exceptionalism. But my view is that anything that is state-funded should not really include religion of any sort. It should certainly teach all religions in in in religious instruction class or religious education rather not instruction class. If you look what separateness does it creates alienation and mistrust or superiority as I said, I worked in Africa for two years when I was different Ministry and I did spend part of every week mostly in Africa and what I learned there what I saw there that any difference state-sponsored birth That your power or status or whatever caused dispute and unhappiness, whether it was tribal religious ethnicity. It didn't matter what the difference was off the minute you entrench it in some in some form of privilege for State sanctions. It causes Wars jealousy one up shit. It doesn't you know, it just is not harmonious and you know, it's not that long ago since the troubles in Northern Ireland finally came to a blessed. Excuse me. So the whole point of the equality act as far as your concern is just to give the best chance for people of every single belief or no believed to flourish in to work together. I do believe that. They also think it is to stop the harms that are so in our base human nature that make us discriminate and it's to help us. Being discriminatory because it is now against the law as you say, you know, we can see in there many different societies throughout history if the laws encourage a certain form of behavior than a society goes in that direction. So if they encourage a more discriminatory form of behavior, then people will perhaps feel like it's more normal. Whereas if they encourage greater tolerance than our society it may help push.

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

07:56 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"I'm joined now by Alexandra msuic Alexandra has been a member of the NSS Council since twenty nineteen, she's currently fellow at Trinity. Lovin. Specializing in piano accompaniment, she also works as a schoolteacher Primary. Secondary School Level Alex Festival the music he would playing today. This was for the recruiting. This was Frederic Chopin spell at number four in minor apostasy to why did you choose this piece of music? Well. Hello. An festival. I chose this piece of music simply because it was with me for a very long time I learned it when I was quite young and it was actually at the moment when I was. A little bit my own beliefs, the state of me until now and piece of course is by Polish composer Chopin. which you know gives a little bit of the I guess patriotism in a good sense of the word picture. Are. We could talk about this for a long time, but let's just move onto the national. Secular Society. Issues. Now. You have recently been involved with Keith put is would enjoy meeting and NSS mission to the UN. In, particular to the conventional rights of the child, which was an alternative report on Poland. What exactly what you in Keith. Hoping to achieve by this I was simply helping kief with all the resources and translation because we were under the impression. That's a lot of things happening in Poland or detail behind a certain issues might not reach. The convention simply because of the language. So we want the convention to be more aware of the problems so they can later intend. Ask. Poland to clarify certain things or to improve certain things what I was doing. I was trying to contacts, lots of organizations and individuals in Poland who are simply unaware of the possibility to submit certain. Reports or simply their views on things. Again because of language issues or perhaps education issues and I encouraged organizations to right to the convention simply. So they have a very full picture and they can know what's happening and in a very practical efficient manner ask Poland to fix what needs to be fixed. I was talking to Kinda, just now about some of the issues. Facing Poland on under the government of the law and Justice Party and president through the Anti Ns submission covered quite a lot of issues in particular you were focusing on the issue of education of children specifically with go to the provision of lgbt teaching. Then Keith was focusing on issues of child abuse in the Catholic Church. So what we owe particular points you were trying to make in this document. Well, the main point that I was trying to make is that the Catholic Church went too far with influencing education, and of course, the sex education is most influenced by simply because of the set of values that the Catholic is trying to push and my big belief is that you noticed very. Is Extremely important simply to develop Cetin tolerance or certain open mindedness and also. into, but also to give them a sense of their own rights and my unfortunately, my view is that the head is attempting to Deaden and to somehow mute this part of education and to influence it too much which we wouldn't let happen in any other subjects. You would hope what what's in particular is the church doing. So. They basically push. The ideology of what is wrong and what s right ignoring their specialists and ignoring the scientific or psychological advice that we should be following really in schools in particular day, they avoid teaching about LGBT topics. Exactly I mean, you know if you are lucky, you will simply have nothing about the LGBTQ it's already bad enough because you can't exclude to Dron from knowing things about themselves even. That's already bad. But what they also do or at least they they allow it was bad enough. They often say that the lgbt community or or ideology as they call, it should be cured and evil, and of course, children's minds are really easily influenced, and that causes a huge mental health crisis among young people is, is this something that is happening in Poland now that? Is really seeing children who've been influenced in this by the Catholic Church develop and have problems? Yes. For? Sex. In itself doesn't actually exist what we've got this so-called education in family life, and that gives you a clue what deterred is trying to do or the government if you're like at the moment because the family by Polish Catholic standards isn't a man and a woman and that's it. So if you've got it well the marriage of men and a woman of course. So if you've got a subject in schools is called education in family life, it automatically excludes. LG. Community. Now, Kaya was altogether quite positive I. think we're all about the future of Poland. She said that that was quite a lot of resistance to the conservatism being pushed by the current government ten Catholic. Church. Would you agree with that? There is a lot of resistance and. Some institutions to work extremely well in Poland, and there there is resistant especially from big cities. From the legal. Community and from young people as well and we hope that the more extreme behavior we see from. Religious extremists really and right-wing politicians as well. The more kind of liberal or center ground. person. Will be willing. To protest. Finally, Alex did you have any other comments or reflections on what Kyle was saying? Well Kayak touched on very many important issues. But She Might have also noticed that you know in Poland we've got fantastic free press still am we've got at our ombudsman? Who is a bit of a hero at the moment for for example? Being able to sue some of the municipalities that were declared a WT free zones and winning. So what exactly is his role? Well, he is the human rights ombudsman simply, and he is a very liberal person. He's a professor of law. At the moment, he is one of the last set of. People standing in public a world that is very, very strongly against the conservative Catholic ideology and he apart from being a fantastic lawyer and quite powerful person. He also organizes educational events. Cooperates with universities and he's quite bold essentially in his movements against well, I don't want to say conservative government I guess because it helps offend somebody but government in Poland at the moment right an and what's his name? Adam Baden. And just just looking forward. Alex from your point of view what what are the next steps of the NSS going to be in regard to Poland? We.

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"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

07:53 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"For more discrimination if actually varies also from place to place the exact text that was approved by the council. So in some of them, you could understand that the Jibbidy Associations will not be given any funding taken not apply for grants or even it might mean that they will not be able to do. Equality Marches. Or? Organized demonstrations win. They just didn't let legislation introduced while started a dance last year mainly it's this calendar year some. Local councils you mostly in small Powell's have approved such. He says legislation for their local structures. So the idea is basically to train shutdown LGBT rights groups in prevented the. Yes however, you can also see how this has actually encouraged Ortho Taller. To speak against the government's to speak against these local consoles to demonstrate four bt rights and Karen. that the left wing party which is in the parliament is preparing another beal projects for civil unions. It will be the ninth time that this topic is race in the parliament is that you think it's likely that this bill will go through this time given the the right-wing parties, the united rights are currently in power I don't think so but it's very important. To see how other people will vote because you see the problem is that when the civic platform was in power, there were also projects of of the Civil Union equalization at that time, and they voted against it most of most of the members of the parliament from the civic that from voted against it because they were also very conservative anti-religious an interest. As. The civic platform was the coalition of move sort of centrist parties that was impalpable Yes. They were very conservative. This is something we forget because they have changed now as them as an opposition to law injustice, they have become much more tolerant much more progressive. What what you're saying is the actually the the degraded conservatism of the law and Justice petits actually pushed the civic platform the other way. Yes. That's definitely what happened and because. seat. Now, in this presidential elections, we had the candidates from the Civic Platform Records Jessica. Foschi. Who's one of the points in the agenda was was the fight for the. Rights and the second one was the reproduction rights of women. He didn't have a long agenda for the elections. These were the two main topics for him and the general tolerance, and he was the second candidates. He was the one who in the second round was against the Android Duga and he received around forty nine percents of votes. So yes, android that was re. Elected but if you look at the numbers they to candidates where so close to each other. So it actually shows that in a way, the conservatism of law and Justice is somehow a mock surveyed putting other people to become more progressive and more tolerant. I really see this process and this process gives me hope although at the same time I'm still a bit frightened. About. What the law injustice? Because what they did with the judiciary system is a quite concerning and they continue to similar things described be potentially dangerous but the change in the society I see it's for the better. will let that spring courage ing what what do you think going to be the main challenges for your organization? The Polish rationalist association during the rest of the current. Government's Tom and the rest of Andre and do. Office while it's very hard to say because it's harsh critics were what they would. Do and it's very hard to say whether there will be some new bill projects. Come from this ferry right-wing religious organizations like or lease. So of course, any should from their sides would be a huge concern for us. Is there anything that you think might be likely to whether they've muttering that they might introduce the particularly The most endangered group. Might be bt. We'll see how this whole situation involves Because if for example, they are not allowed to demonstrate anymore. That's already a huge thing because regarding their presence at Kohl's to be honest it wasn't even there almost in most of the schools they were not allowed before a same as any civil society organizations actually wear not present at only schools. So so in fact, there are some people will say that the initiative to actually eaten invites them to some of the public schools to give some lessons about tolerance that was something that motivated the religious organizations to treat this idea of lgbt ideology-free zones but but that's That's not the most important problem is I mean it's it's in society that the suppression of adultery bt Voices is that right? Yes that's correct. But we we are concerned with this of course. So if they are so suppressed, even more while we will definitely speak about it. Well, we will definitely continue what we are doing right now. So we focused on education we organize conferences we organize free lectures open debates about science about social issues reorganize a big festival Garwin days along with universities we try to encourage dialogue. This is something that's missing completely now in Poland but how far are you discussion for your conferences Utah when days? Interactions with university what successfully helping so far while the darling days are very popular in this is the only such initiative in Poland's, and we have hundreds of people who come to the lectures and we have debates and we have videos that are available on For. People and. It is a huge impact so we are trying to create space basically for free thinking for dialogue This is what we are trying to show pelerins which to show What science says on on several topics in the past, we fought a lot with the privileges of the Church and especially we tried to manage this role of the. Religious classes. So we fought for ethics classes introduced. We are not the only organization of course, that's So it's not just our credits of bad. We are very happy that this. Actually was A. Great you'll you seem to be having. I'm going load of success so far with which is very encouraging. Just just one final question at Kyle think secularist organizations in different countries. What do you think such organizations can learn from each other?.

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National Secular Society Podcast

05:57 min | 2 years ago

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"With the payment providers and yes most recently, balconies have denied him biking services, which is really think an artifact of the way. The companies are taking risk most areas Lee. Now, there is perhaps the notes of kosher however, which is course she's tossed do have plans ties to the Christian legal centre who are notorious for. A Fulbright defense that that Klein's sarry accompany should be wary about their interactions with groups that are practicing conversion therapy. That coupes and has been some legal ramifications. Full those the have half. ties with of course, she's trust in her towns getting threatening letters. Central. We've been talking about illegal and we've been talking about things. Individual companies have done. Do you think that illegal balance the any satisfactory solution? What? What about the rights of Christian groups as they? Took some I think it is important that there is legal efforts to ban the practice Number one, it doesn't work. Not. Theory can cools lasting damage and when we look at Lowe's coming in Alpha basis, most of those directed towards banning conversion therapy for minors all where it is fraudulently off a tour to doubts. I think there must also be worked to educate the pool and tackle stigma around issues. At the end of the day confession therapy only has a hook if people think being. Rome, and if you take that away from them, you take then main tool. So of aging people to undergo conversion therapy away so I think it is important. Today does go hand in hand with outreach to groups as well playing devil's advocate for minute short they would say, well, you know we we don't do anything against people's will. It's just if people believe that. Heaven Sexuality is wrong. than. We offer some help for them I mean what would your response to that? So I think it is one thing to a treatment that doesn't work Frankie has there's lots of things you can go and buy return work I think it is particularly nefarious to offer treatment which they know doesn't work and it will soon now causes serious harm to people. Dowse higher suicide and depression south harm other things we've talked about I. Think at the end of the day they are providing a promise and it's not only morally wrong. Unethically robot much one day send legally wrong as far as the core issues. Trust Northern Ireland is concen. The National Secular Society has recently challenged. Am It's right tapped the status of charity unethical have various tax breaks. Organizations that promote conversion therapy HAMAS poetry religious should be able to keep that charitable status..

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National Secular Society Podcast

05:26 min | 2 years ago

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"You're listening to the National Secular Society podcast hosted by. Emma pocket. Queen. Elizabeth. The second is now the longest reigning monarch in British history and one of the most popular. But what will happen when she eventually dies well, Prince Charles. Simply succeed to the hereditary throne and carry on the same old tradition. We'll email to be anointed by the Bishop of, Canterbury, in Westminster Abbey and will he assumed the title of Defender of the Faith and supreme? Governor of the Church of England, we'll Britain's political establishment continued to be Anglican monarchical and general stuck in the nineteenth century. I'm joined today by Graeme Smith CEO, Republic Republicans, a member based pressure group, which calls for the abolition of monarchy and the substitution of an elected head of state, as well as for an elected House of Lords Grandma, and I will be discussing how close the links between the monarchy and the established church why we should cat and whether secularists need to be Republicans. So I'm joined now by Graeme Smith of Republic I'm Graham just starting with the most. Question in a way, should the abolition of the monarchy pianist shoot the support of secularism are concerned about? Yes. Absolutely. I think that. You know. I would say everybody should be concerned about it but I I. The monarchy as a quasi religious institution and the it's very much bound up with the established church. The Queen of goals is the head of the church. England, and it know the family. Even if we sort of pay separated out the crown from the church I think the Family itself is very much part of the Pasta Christian tradition. And you only ever, GonNa get that that same family in that position. Underlying this. If you look at the Oth, the Queen took back in nineteen, fifty three when she did her coronation. About God not so much about. Democracy and modern values I. Mean, it's is asked by the archbishop will. You do your utmost. To maintain the laws of God and the True Professional. Gospel. So In, a modern age I think that. All religions should be equal. They should be a freedom of faith and I. equality of beliefs, and you can't really do that. If you've got a head of state here is absolutely wedded to one religion. Absolutely. And I mean not just to freedom of faith. But freedom not spirit of cases well would be part of that. Yeah. Well, I mean I'm not surprised that when Queen Elizabeth's school hosts, it didn't sound very democracy after to rule the monarchy is a very old fashioned institution. Isn't it? How close you said? The family is part of the church tradition. What are the specific ways in which the monarchy is is close to the established The Queen is head of boasts she's defend the face on the Anglican faith. But other other links you've just look. So of officials societies, you might call it..

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03:49 min | 2 years ago

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"I'm now joined by Alliston Alliston head of education. The National Secular Society to discuss his response to. Points and the NSS position is a to what's the national secular societies position about these unregistered schools. And what work is it doing at the moment in this area or Franks? And find thanks for a full her insight on this issue, so the National Society main focus has always been on state funded faith schools initiative, the state funded sector 'cause it's just biggest area from a secular perspective it's. The most egregious because it's state funded, though over the last of all ten years we've been doing increasing walk looking at the independent sector, both fee registered regulated independent sector and the unregistered, potentially unlawful independent sector. Opposition as that. When a school this independent, it's not funded by the state. Then it's pretty closely and fed I has a lot more freedom, and to operate an to promote relate to promote a religious. All of the reformist bought that even with an independent system. They're all still children's independent rights that have to be protected separate too often, the the family and the independent schools. What's itself so? We've always supported that being at a regulation which is over the law she has begun begun to command to ensure is just at least a minimum basic standard within the independent actor. And with the issue of unregistered, often illegal five skulls, we because that's just completely sa- escaping any regulation any oversight weaving one of the leading organizations calling for this issue to be taken seriously for these schools to be identified and to be brought into line with law. One of the difficulties with with these unregistered schools is that an offset doesn't seem to be able to catch them because of this, this strange provisions about homeschooling. Think is the onto that. Yes, so often when a child is attending unregistered skull, parents will say the child is being home schooled Parents. Often supplement legitimate homeschooling. They actually are educated in high, but they then supplement that with a potentially part time attendance acid on budgeted SCO. It's difficult to tackle this issue because of the lack of definition of what absolutely. Now I think we can all look a dictionary definition, and we all sort of know what is meant by a skull, but there are settings which provides some foam education, which on schools, so that can sometimes be a legitimate lack of clarity over not an institution should be registered, not every issues. But is operating as a school then it should be registered. The government has thankfully moving towards a position which we've endorsed in our response. The latest consultation on this show of defining school is and what a full-time scholars and that's GonNa be based on an idea, and we might quibble the exact definition, but based on the idea of if as an institution which is basically walks like a school..

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National Secular Society Podcast

03:50 min | 2 years ago

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"Ultra Orthodox Jewish school? What happens to British? Children who leave school without knowing basic English or maths and who should decide how children should be educated that parents or the state? You're listening to the National Secular Society podcast hosted by Emma Park. In today's episode I'll be talking to eve sex about the unregistered schools that serve London's community of ultra. Orthodox Acidic Jews Eve is an accountant by profession and an activist with now who an organization that provides support to Jewish people in the UK. Who Civil Liberties have been impinged upon by religious hotlines? The Hasidic community is known to be closed and secretive, but he spent years working with its members to find out more about their way of life, and the pressures which keep them isolated from the rest.

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National Secular Society Podcast

14:53 min | 2 years ago

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"You're listening to the National Secular Society podcast hosted by Emma Park. In this episode. We will be discussing secularism in the USA and its opposition. The religious right. The United States was one of the first countries in the world to have a secular constitution in which church and the state to a clearly separated but in recent years a conservative Christian right have renewed their efforts to exert influence in political issues. Even the Corona virus crisis the Evangelical Lobby has pushed cold and often one exceptions from the restrictions on the freedom of movement that has been imposed by each state one man who has experience countering the influence of the Christian right in the US is Andrew Subtle Andrew. It's an attorney at the freedom from religion foundation based in Madison Wisconsin. This foundation is the largest free throw in the US and the following interview. Andrew Discusses his experiences with the National Secular Societies Andrew. Welcome CNN says.

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National Secular Society Podcast

09:06 min | 2 years ago

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"Deliver copies to the local police station and say come on prosecutors which they did that. You defended themselves colts. They won their case and this fruits philosophy which by this time was went out of date began to settle in. It's hundreds of thousands. And what what does the phrase syphilis? They actually say what I told you how to avoid conception is on contraceptive technique. Noten who who who was a Was a great advocate of chemical dotion technology at the time. I'm well it yet. There were other techniques but actually actually that was a feminist socks. This is well you know. He's one of the reasons he favored. Douching was left control to the woman interesting. And what happened? Up THE FRUITS OF PHILOSOPHY. Where their next handbooks to follow that? Well you see it. Without a date. In eighteen seventy seven brethren one percent did draw the hesitate over publishing it because I thought what actually this isn't the latest best deploys and so immediately afterwards Andy percent wrote her book conflict. Belco sixpence so conflicts Which ordinary people could afford And that was cold the north population. She withdrew that in nineteen ninety one when she let Rolette side down by joining the also fists and then the most popular of all books appear would nothing reading a lot about this. Recently as a sort of hero of the birth control movement. Andrew appreciated was Dr Henry Author Albert whose wife Handbook so more than any other stadium stadium prince till the nineteenth switches and sold over half a million copies connected to the national secular society. Yes yes yes. He was a member of the national secular. Society also was an important figure in the mouth. Suzy League which Bracknell and percents founded of the eighteen seventy seven trial and the Malthusian league went home for year. Many is off towards promoting the idea of what they called neo. Malthusianism actually recorded birth control and they promoted that many many years and in a way evolved into the Family Planning Association a the members of the NSS were involved in other social reforms as well as the birth control movement. Could you tell us about some of the most important ones and the people behind them? Well resist mentioning another former. Nss President now who in the nineteen sixties wrote the book About the NSS. One Hundred Years of free thought to set that was to celebrate at centenarian part but he made the point that his belly a social reform that the society hasn't championed a new. She champions ahead of anybody else. Amazing sales very unpopular in doing sir. But having second thoughts pick on a cockle that very closely related the Ron Golden threads south golden threads through the history off the Of Secularism at the beginning of the Nineteenth Century. Fia over evolution in this country was rife the government responded by attempting to clamp down on the secularization of Nasi dangerous radical ideas. Particularly those are the type espoused by pain. Who was in their minds. The Bogeyman Pau excellence okay. One of them main techniques with the imposition of stamp duties on newspapers. Make you too expensive for working people. These stamp duties were furiously. But the likes of Richard Carlile who I mentioned earlier republish. All pains works in the Nineteen Twenties and thirties and got seven years in Dorchester. Gaol for his trouble and by Holyoke many others did. Were those with those works. Sold in such a way that they were available to working people. Yes yes so. But nobody ever made money out of free sources for the and and that goes for my ancestor. It wasn't a profitable business because they were selling very cheap pamphlets to working class apron trying to sell them as cheaply as possible because they wanted to maximize the circulation. They they pamphlet published with the blogs of that age. Fantastic and any other major. She mentioned that with two of them stemp duties what's the well. The freedom of freedom of the press swan the second closely related was campaign against the blasphemy. Laws which is the governing to explain why that was fundamental to secularists. They thought you should be able to speak about religion as you could speak about any other matter. And THAT SHOULDN'T BE PROHIBITIONS. On things that were regarded as disrespectful. Rude when you spoke about about the religious and here. Gw foot needs a special mention because it was Hey who the height of the Bracknell problems of the eighteen eighties decided to tighten the back over to the what he regarded as the bigots by publishing his extraordinarily irregular irreverent outrageous and satirical newspaper. They the free thinker. Now one of the devices used in particular Shades of Charlie. Hebdo Hiya but one of the devices used in particular world cartoons Bible cartoons as he code them. That were very very disrespectful. And he was inviting prosecution. He spent a year in jail and as a result of ozone resulting fist. But what he did go was the T. highlighted the absurdity of the situation that he thought confronted him and have does this. Do you think compared with the situation today that the blasphemy laws in the UK will abolish not that long ago we make lots of progress or is there still much blasphemy in the UK? Well well you know if that film life abroad and it appears in the big film but obviously must have made some progress in that respect Of course it's motivation. That's a lot more to die. We all faced with a situation where we say. The growth potential growth of populism authoritarianism to me secularists one aspect to secularism that golden thread. I mentioned earlier. His always being about freedom freedom of speech freedom of expression secularists or liberals if there and nothing else liberals and individualist liberals and individualists absolutely ESPN's and freedom of speech has always been one of the National Secular Society's biggest campaign issues as as. What you said illustrates a golden thread. Emma ago golden thread absolutely. Yes and why do you think Bob it? Why is it important for? Nss members today to know about the society's history in the nineteenth century. Why does it still matter? Thank you so much for that question them up because this sounds lockups. This is a personal campaign. I'm on here. Let me suggest some reasons why his the history of this wonderful society is so important? I must obviously the lessons to be drawn from the past second. There's some cracking store is not giving you a little flavor and there's more in my series of videos. There's some cracks cracking stories about extraordinarily brave people who deserve to be remembered third because history organizations with a.

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National Secular Society Podcast

14:01 min | 2 years ago

"national secular society" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"Our affective is United Nations at supporting secularist principles. What extra precious. Let's Human Rights Council. Be under as a result of the KARENNA VIRUS PANDEMIC. And what has the National Secular Society been doing to advance? Secularist causes before. You're listening to the National Society podcast hosted by Park today. I'm joined by Josephine Macintosh to discuss her work representing Ns at the UN choice have been as a solicitor in London specialising in Competition Law and vice president at the NSS and member of the council she has represented the Society of the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva since two thousand twelve. Jason First of all. Could you tell us about your recent work for the National Secular Society at the United Nations? Hi Emma so for my recent.

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National Secular Society Podcast

01:47 min | 2 years ago

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"You're listening to the National Secular Society. What cost has to play amock talk today? I'm going to be talking to Mattie Bridgman and Samford Simmons to representatives from the Integrated Education Fund. This is a charity in Northern Ireland. That promotes a school system which is not divided by denomination into Catholic and Protestant schools but instead as inclusive welcoming all religious and cultural backgrounds OP discussing the particular problems which Northern Ireland is facing in reforming its education system and why it matters and I'm joined now by mighty pitchman and some Fitzsimmons of the Integrated Education Fund in Northern Nyland. Madden Sam could you perhaps stop by taking us through a bit of the background. What's the current situation with collegiate divisions in Northern Ireland? Just remind us all of where we've got to. And how is it affecting education in particular education system that Norton Artist Pretty Complex. Oaks religiously segregated away also in a socioeconomic certainly Was Fine with nineteen twenty. One Dan Dan Education Minister wanted to establish a single nondenominational education system that was imposed by the match with the northern nineteen. Twenty two the idea of a single system is dropped in fever. More secular or.

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National Secular Society Podcast

12:39 min | 3 years ago

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"Hello and welcome to the National Secular Society. podcast I'm Emma Park and this week I'll be joined by Stephen Vanessa and Kris Lockett to discuss the upcoming general election. We'll be looking in particular at the. NSS's secularist manifesto. This contains eleven policy. Proposals Stop the society would like to see implemented by whichever party or parties. Come to power after the vote on the twelfth of December. We'll be discussing what the proposals are the reasons behind in them and how likely it is that any of them will make it onto the statute book in the next Parliament to start with here at the eleventh things. The secularist manifesto would like the next government.

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National Secular Society Podcast

13:05 min | 3 years ago

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"Would sing hymns say prayers and listen to sermons week after week. We sang about the bliss which only the Children of Zion would have access or exhauted sorted each other too smart the troops of million after one of these invigorating sessions. I remember a senior teacher long since retired coming onto the stage and repeating with Gusto the part about non-christians being damned for eternity even back then in the hotter rural England there were a number of students in the audience who had Jewish Jewish Muslim or from a nonreligious culture like China quite apart from inveterate unbelievers like myself nonetheless our daily Christian worship although in theory it might have been optional was in practice compulsory and even though it gave heathens like me something rebel against it was hardly conducive to a tolerant atmosphere but that was two decades ago since then we in Britain become on average less religious as a nation and more diverse in our religious affiliations affiliations or lack of them given this variety of beliefs in the country today. Surely no-one still expects school children to have to engage gauge collectively in Christian worship or any other kind of worship on a daily basis. It turns out that there are two on sister this question the legal opposition and the actual practice in schools. Neither is particularly satisfactory from a secularist point of view and that's why abolishing collective worship is still on the national secular societies campaign list. I am now joined by Alastair Richton to find out more Alastair. Hello I am I this. Can you explain what the lure was. In terms of collective worship in schools well the law mandates that all school children take part in a daily out of broadly Christian collective worship like so much else this dates back to the seminal nineteen forty four education act although the common law is found in the nineteen ninety eight school standards and Framework Act Northern Ireland has assigned requirements and in Scotland. There is religious observance events at which he didn't faces is being replaced with time for reflection a term collective. Worship is a problem as it doesn't really sum up what it what it's all all about. I mean if you had a collective within the school who wanted to come together for worship for volunteer. Ship may be a lunchtime or after school club now. It'd be very different issue. The issue here is that it's mandated worship mandated by the state to be directed often coerced by school authorities which is why campaign is to end compulsory worship in schools how does the position in England and Wales compare with Lou and other countries well very differently the UK as far as we know is the only democratic country which leaked the imposes a daily act of worship in state schools miss. We completely a in almost any of modern liberal democracy. We have such a variety of schools in this country state schools independent schools this faith schools. How is the legal requirement for collective worship enforced in these different schools in practice. How much room is there for schools to interpret the the law in their own way in practice. Most schools ignore the requirements or simply reinterpreted in such a way that they hold perfectly inclusive topical Michael Ethical Assemblies we say then just cool collective worship and they might have a moment of silence of the end to invite people to pray or affected that they want but they basically carry out December with no directed at no element of directed worship. The requirement is in fact so unpopular in popular offset of long since abandoned any sort of enforcement inspection of and the deify tacitly supports position although the situation he's he's very different in faith schools for example. It's well over ninety percent of Chechnya primary schools according to recent survey have daily Christian collective worship ship and also a non-faithful community for schools. We have the particularly religious head teacher or group within the school who wants him. WHO's King Tempos Hose isn't keen to take a literal interpretation of the requirement unequally some schools managed to the right to draw reasonably well but this the woman is seen as unsatisfactory because parents really don't want their children marked out by being withdrawn and scores can make this difficult as well. It sounds it's like there is a lot of room for maneuver and the situation very much depends on the school. So what are the National Secular Society's biggest objections to collective elective worship requirement is quite important. We don't believe the states. We mandating directed worship. It's a violation of pupils freedom of belief and without now any educational basis or justification this goes so clearly and obviously against principles of equality. That's actually requires. Its own special exemption. I'm from the Equality Act wash. It should be voluntary and it should never be imposed coerced mandated. If your possibly awesome religious community fan of worship personally that's fine but you may not appreciate the matters of exclusivity sends you may not just appreciate just how alien this practices too many families and the way in which many parents want to raise their children as long as we had this leak requirement it provides a platform from those that do want to impose their religion and worship in schools whether that's School of foreign or external evangelical groups so it's it's the NSS campaigning for change in the law changing the law the understanding of the various law laws across the UK is a must but the columbine could do better to manage the situation with improved guidance his longtime. This was updated last month. We vote. The New Education Secretary Gathering Williams aww urging him to consider an update guidance and we hope that will happen in the next parliament needs to make clear what schools need to do to provide vita meaningful alternative to worship and meaningful to a genuine meaningful alternative that doesn't stigmatize or cause any detriments redrawn pupils pose the CONNOISSEUR car exactly what for fleeing the collective requirement collective worship require means this could regulate regulate realized situation where schools milly hold an assembly in which there is an opportunity for voluntary worship without them directing it or imposing it and also the should make clear what consultation if any school fortieth need to take particularly those we've leadership protected committee for Community Committee squeak for says to ensure that policy is suitable for their community. Is there a particular reason why the NSS should be concerned with this issue right now. The Autumn term tends to see a big uptick in all case work related to impose worship in schools simple. Reason reason is that many parents are only just now discovering the requirements. You also tend to get a lot of stuff around Christmas. Unfortunately some schools try make make Christmas assemblies a particular religious or other schools. Even Gusts Foss trying to exclude people some so Christmas related activities that we've drawn from collective worship big issue. The moment in England is a case of the Harris family. The harassed on me yeah this. This is since it's been taken up by the unsupported by the Humanist Association so that's put the issue in the news a low background on that we supported the Harris family last year they attend to community was Academy Nassir Faith School but part of a Christian Monte can trust which they feel is acting a bit like a faith school and the way in which the Christian worship is managed makes withdraw very difficult lack of any meaningful alternative so that's a human rights case that's going for at the moment will follow closely and the where we expect that this is going to push the DSP into making in some sort of new guidance which could be good or bad for us but we'll keep up the pressure and need to wait and see elsewhere in the UK in Wales. It's moving up the agenda as the big curriculum reform issues start to move on this could be one of the next issue look at they're also campaigns in Scotland learned whether has already been some reform and in Northern Ireland so we across the UK. Are you getting any other specific examples of parents or that children. I'm talking to you about difficulties. They've been counted yet. I mean we just look at the stats dot our page on compulsively worship and information condado is one of the most visited there's a wide range of practice in terms of how exclusive or how aggressively the worship element is pushed ashed various testimonies on the website and is a big part of our casework. That's no people approaching us for help. Although there are few parents then go onto withdraw their children because of the difficulties that can come with that with ad community schools with prayers four times a day pupil sold off or not taking parv off parents accused of intolerance or just Natoli not welcome at the school because I don't want their children being directed to pray to religion they don't follow and all of it is not not getting into any of the other more extreme or outlying samples we have external evanger who groups or local local religious religious leaders coming in to lead worship for example with parents people's really upset by one assembly were paper cops were apparently set on fire one one wet and dry and this was to symbolize and teach that Christian baptism is necessary to avoid how completely inappropriate lesson to be teaching in a school but about British society as a whole. Is there widespread support for keeping the collective worship requirement on the statute book absolutely not just this week actually we've seen the just the recording the church and then released a new poll spinning to claim support collective worship overseen they understand that the collective worship requirements populace they didn't appear to ask about in the poll and then just use the press release to suggest it that the tip wash it was possible loss year our own polling in conjunction with census. White found that just twenty ninety six percent felt of the public school assemblies need to feature worship. All the polling is is sporadic. Ns there was a in the newsroom law in two thousand eleven when there was a comrade survey for the BBC and that found that around seventy percent of parents were opposed to enforce in the requirement. How do you see public perception of the collective worship requirement developing in the future well pretty society looks set that just keep getting more religious religious diverse unless religious the idea of needing the state to mandate particular impose particular religious activities seems more and more old fashioned a legal requirement from the nineteen forties seems complete in Congress. Stay and there's no do. We really think there's anything suggested this requirements can have become more popular on more suitable for skulls of course many schools will just continue to muddle on motto. Fru as they are at the moment but the pressure for reform is just going to keep going up and up. You've told us about the reasons then for opposing collective worship what is the NSS actively doing at the moment to campaign against it. We're in regular contact with the deify and Dan devolved administrations on this issue continuing to build up the evidence Bankin to raise public awareness so ready to respond to consultations in case pressure up and the main thing we do is we probably loss of casework support so parents pupils and even school was affected by the requirement and if we is concerned and members of the public agree with you. What can we do to support the necessities. Campaign were linked to the campaign page show notes that'd be really helpful if you could visit and use our temp letter to write to your MP or MSP or am you can sign the national petition which before the two devolved administrations as well you can really get the.

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