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Anxiety and fear loom, even as most coronavirus patients recover.
"Coming up on five minute news. As most corona virus patients recover anxiety and fear Lou. Au condemned trump's surprise travel ban from Europe as virus spreads and financial markets. Count the cost of corona virus. It's Friday March thirteenth. I'm Anthony Davis amid all the fee is quarantines and stockpiling food. It has been easy to ignore the fact that more than sixty thousand people have recovered from the corona virus spreading around the globe the disease can cause varying degrees of illness and is especially troublesome for older adults and people with existing health problems who are at risk of severe effects including new. Monja but for most of the affected corona virus creates only mild moderate symptoms such as fever and cough with the vast majority recovering from the virus. According to the World Health Organization people with mild illness. Recover in about two weeks while those with more. Severe ailments may take three to six weeks to rebound in mainland China where the first virus exploded more than eighteen. Thousand people have been diagnosed but more than sixty thousand have already recovered because the difference in impact can be so great global health authorities have the difficult task of alerting the public to the viruses dangers without creating panic already. The widespread consequences of the virus have been staggering sending shockwaves through the world's financial markets global oil prices sustains their worst percentage losses since the Gulf War and new restrictions were imposed in Italy and in Israel as the holy week approached. But even some of the most vulnerable patients can still fight their way through the disease the head of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Robert Redfield noted that the vast majority of new cases of the covy nineteen illness are linked to Europe which he called the New China deaths in Italy. Top Two thousand with more than fifteen thousand testing positive but Dr Antony Fallacy Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease acknowledged that the United States was lagging behind other countries in testing for the virus to learn how widespread it really is. It is a failing. Let's admit it. He told lawmakers yesterday. Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson whose country was spared the US travel ban called the pandemic the worst public health crisis for generation and said many more families going to lose loved ones before their time yesterday. The illness edged closer to the world's power centers. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced. He was self isolate to get home because his wife showed flu like symptoms after her return from Britain while the Brazilian presidents communications director tested positive just days after traveling to meet with Donald Trump at mar-a-lago which itself remains open to guests and events trump though has no immediate plans to be tested or go into self quarantine. The White House said across the board European markets closed on one of their worst days in history unswayed by new stimulus measures from the European Central Bank to buy up one hundred twenty billion euros in bonds an early fall seven percent on Wall Street triggered a trading halt amid the global selloff but rose slightly after the Federal Reserve announced. It would inject up to two trillion dollars into short term lending markets. More Than One hundred twenty seven thousand people in more than one hundred ten countries have now been infected. The vast majority are in just four countries. China and South Korea where new cases declining and Iran and Italy whether or not the spread has slowed so much in China that the government sent a medical crew to Italy and offered surplus supplies to Iran and other countries in need more than four thousand. Seven hundred people have died. Worldwide European Union leaders on Thursday lashed out at Donald Trump's decision to randomly restrict travel from Europe to the United States because of the corona virus calling the pandemic a global crisis that requires cooperation rather than unilateral action trump who had called Cova nineteen a foreign virus and falsely claimed that European travellers seated infection clusters in the United States said late on Wednesday that all European travel would be cut off the European Union disapproves of the fact that the US decision to impose a travel ban was taken unilaterally and without consultation European Council president shells Michelle and European Commission. President Assila von delay and said in a joint statement around four hundred flights crossed the Atlantic from Europe to the United States. Each day critics say that trump was using his address to merely divert attention away from his own failure to test fall and contain the virus in the previous six weeks since it was discovered with the virus now present in all twenty-seven AU countries von. Delany announced this week. The launch of a Corona Response Investment Fund seeded with seven point. Five billion euros. That she said would reap billions more. It's aimed at propping up healthcare structures small businesses suffering from the impact the virus and labor markets jobs might be hit the US will not be providing similar measures for its citizens. You can subscribe to five minute news with your preferred podcast APP. Ask Your Smart Speaker or enable five minute news as your Amazon Alexa. Flash BRIEFING SCALE VISIT US online at five minute. Dot News five minute. 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CRUSADE Channel Newscast May 21st 2020
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This report is brought to you by restored the epoch seventeen DVD or streaming video series that destroys the darwinism theory of evolution in favor of the actual history of earth found in the book of Genesis Order Foundations restored today at Crusade Channel Dot com slash. Adam here's what to listen for this hour. Six hundred doctors signed a letter and told president trump to open up and get things moving in this country. If a vaccine becomes available will you be forced to get it and guesses on their way back in action a team with just three letters more than six hundred doctors signed onto a letter sent to president trump Tuesday pushing him Dan? The national shutdown that's aimed at slowing the spread of the krona virus calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school. A mass casualty incident with X. potentially growing health consequences. The letter outlines a variety of consequences that the doctors have observed resulting from the coronavirus shutdowns including patients missing routine checkups. That could detect things like heart. Problems or cancer increases in substance and alcohol abuse in increases in financial instability that could lead to poverty and financial uncertainty. Which is closely linked to poor health? The letter comes as the battle over. When and how to live corona virus restrictions continues to rage on cable TV and the courts in protests and among government officials those for lifting the restrictions have warned about the economic consequences of keeping shutdowns. In fact those advocating more cautious approach. Say That having more people out and about will necessarily end with more people becoming infected causing National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease Director. Dr Anthony FAUCI warned in Senate. Hearing last week would be preventable. Suffering and death. Harvard Law Professor Emiratis Alan Dershowitz in an interview. Wednesday was discussing the constitutionality of forcing members of the public to be vaccinated against the coronavirus. Should've vaccine become available while the host began the segment by acknowledging the argument that people don't have a right to endanger other people. You're right to punch ends at the tip of my nose before asking Dershowitz whether the government has a right to endanger people who may have an adverse reaction to a vaccine by forcing them to take it. The Supreme Court has said yes and if the case came to the Supreme Court today they would say yes it would either be nine to zip or eight to one. Dershowitz responded it's not a debatable. Issue CONSTITUTIONALLY LOOK. They have a right to draft you and put your life in danger to help the country. The police power of the state is very considerable. Dershowitz added that he agrees with the moral argument that no one should be subject to vaccine. That has not been fully vetted on the chance that it could help other people and noted that he wouldn't want people to submit to a vaccine unless it is proven safe if the vaccine is extremely safe and the stay does have the right to tell you to take it. He said vaccines work on a theory of mass inoculation. You're not taking it to help yourself coming up. Today is the feast of the ascension. It commemorates the Christian beliefs of the bodily ascension of Jesus into heaven quoted. The date thing. Well speak well do well. These three things through the mercy of we'll make a man go to heaven saint. Camillus you're listening to Crusade Channel News. Foundations restored is the epoch seventeen DVD or streaming download series. That completely refuse that most pernicious of modernist errors evolution. This course is visually stunning and has presented so that lay people can arm themselves with true in the fight against the evil. That is neo. Darwinism order simply use are handy. Ori Say Channel Dot com forward slash Adam. And Right now. Your first two episodes are free. Order now say channel Dot com forward slash. Adam marks the feast of the ascension the Feast of the Ascension of Jesus Christ also called Ascension Day ascension Thursday or sometimes holy. Thursday it commemorates the Christian beliefs of the bodily ascension of Jesus into Heaven Ascension in Christian believed the ascent of Jesus Christ into heaven on the Forty Day after his Resurrection Easter. Being reckoned as the first day the observance of this feast is of great antiquity. Use of as seems to hint at the celebration of it. In the fourth century at the beginning of the fifth century saying Gusting says that it is of a pastalic origin and he speaks of it in a way that shows. It was the universal observance of the church long before his time. Frequent mention of it is made in the writings of Saint John. Dawson Saint Gregory of Nisa and in the Constitution of the apostles the civil rights division of the. Us Department of Justice has worn California. Governor Gavin newsom on Tuesday that his reopening plan discriminates against religion in it has to be modified to allow for religious services to reopen assistant. Attorney General Dry in pointed out that newsome's plan allows a variety of businesses to reopen in Stage two but it doesn't allow for churches and other houses of worship to reopen until stage three and for no apparent reason citing Attorney General William Bars April memorandum warning state and local governments to respect first amendment rights of religious freedom. The constitution is not suspended in times of crisis borrow. Dry Ban argued that while California could determine the pace of its own reopening it could not infringe on religion. California has not shown why interactions in offices and studios of the entertainment industry and in in person operations to facilitate non essential. Ecommerce are included on the essential workforce list as being allowed with social distancing. Where telework is not practical. While gatherings with social distancing for purposes of religious worship are forbidden regardless of whether remote worship is practical or not politico noted. That governor newsom has tried to molefi religious communities. I wanted just express my deep admiration to the faith community and the need and desire to know when their congregants can once again start coming back to the pews coming back together. He said while I was telling you about a team that had three letters that was coming back together. Well that team is the I R S. yes the Internal Revenue Service says. It's going to start calling. Staffers back to work in less than a couple of weeks after most of been idle or telecommuting since March due to corona virus restrictions. Irs Commissioner Chuck. Reading said the agency will begin recalling employees on June first the recall will start with employees that are in Kentucky Texas in Utah. Who are not telecommuting reading said. The return will only include employees in states that have relax. Cova nineteen restrictions in locations where firmer restrictions remain. He said managers will assess the need for volunteers to return to the office to perform mission. Critical non portable work with employees taxpayers. Safety is our primary focus. The IRS continues to carefully monitor and evaluate our readiness to open our facilities for expanded operations. Send Me Your News. Tips to news at Crusade Channel Dot com stay tuned to the crusade channel with live breaking news updates all day in the best life. Talkradio anywhere up next the Mike. Church show continues. 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NPR News: 04-18-2020 12AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Culver City. California I'm Doin' flea cycle tell at Friday's White House briefing on the Corona Virus Pandemic Vice President Mike Pence said the. Us has enough corona virus tests to begin the first of the trump administration's plan to reopen the country. Our best scientists and health experts assess that states. Today have enough test implement the criteria of phase. One if they choose to do so meanwhile Dr Anthony Foul Cheat. The Director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease said. He's not downplaying testing but he added. Testing isn't everything in said he wants. Americans to focus on mitigation strategies including physical distancing. There are currently nearly seven hundred thousand. Americans infected with crow virus in the US and more than thirty one thousand people have died from the respiratory illness near State alone has lost more than thirteen thousand people. Several hundred protesters took to the steps of the Idaho capital this afternoon to push back on a stay at home order from member station Boise State Public Radio Heath Jusin has more. Many of the protesters were carrying firearms signs ridiculing Republican Governor Brad. Little almost no one was practicing the social distancing experts as key to stopping the spread of covert. Nineteen Republican State representative. Tammy Nichols told. The crowd Idaho. Business owners are suffering. He don't know how you're going to be able to pay their rent and don't know how they're going to be able to run their businesses because they're shutdown and all their beans fool is you can't do as you are nonessential and that's not how this works little's order shuttered many businesses and also makes gatherings like the protest illegal however police took no action against the event for NPR news. I'm Heath Roosen in Boise. Orthodox Christians celebrated Good Friday while many of them are in krone. Virus lockdown from Athens Joanna Kakissis reports. That Easter is the most important holiday in Greece which has flattened the curve by imposing tough restrictions on movement. Greece's close churches to the public to keep Kobe nineteen from spreading especially among the elderly. Who make up most congregants so priests are chanting good. Friday prayers to empty pews the Faithful. Watch on livestream and television. They did not join the most memorable ritual the epitaph IOS procession when an icon of the dead Christ in the flower filled funeral platform is carried around the neighborhood. The government says it will find priests who let anyone into church it will also find Greeks who tried to flee to ancestry villages for traditional Easter celebrations for NPR news. I'm Joanna Kakissis Athens and you are listening to. Npr news from Culver City. Even as arts events have been shut down in New York this spring cancellations for the summer are starting to trickle in. There will be no summer events at Lincoln Center including the annual mostly Mozart Festival and on Friday the Public Theater which presents. Free Shakespeare in the park announced that would be cancelled to more from Jeff. London in New York to shows had been planned of Shakespeare's Richard. The second in a musical adaptation of as you like it with a score by Shayna Taub seen in a limited run in two thousand seventeen the production was to have featured a cast of both professional actors and community members from around New York office. Everybody's in show. Nobody'S APPRO since its founding in nineteen sixty two free. Shakespeare in the park has been a summer. Staple for New Yorkers many of whom get up early in the morning to wait on line in Central Park to get tickets to the evening show for NPR. News I'm Jeff. London in New York starting Monday at noon. Canada will require passengers to where non-medical mask or facial coverings during travel on flights departing or arriving at all airports. The country's largest carrier Air Canada said customers may be asked to lower their mask for security checks and it notes face coverings can be cough mask scarves or similar items. Canada currently has nearly thirty. Three thousand confirmed cases and more than thirteen hundred. People have died from the current. Oh virus I'm psycho. Npr news from Culver City California.
A Conversation With Dr. Anthony Fauci
"Hi I'm a diva Egan. And I'm a producer on the daily as our audience grows. We know that we have a greater responsibility to introduce you to voices. You wouldn't otherwise to shed light on stories that might be difficult and to bring us a little closer to understanding the most complicated parts of our world we take that responsibility seriously and when you subscribe to the New York Times. You're letting US know that you care about these stories and you want to hear them told by the people living that subscribed to the New York Times at NY TIMES DOT com slash. Subscribe thank you to be over. What do I need to just one piece but the one with the under dog? Oh I see I I D- I loved. Yes Hi how are you sir? I'm fine thanks how you doing. I'm doing great. Thank you very much for being with us. In for recording yourself above beyond. Thank you. Thank you so Dr. Voucher. You became head of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease in the nineteen eighty s when the AIDS crisis with becoming a national issue. And then you stayed in that role through the Ebola outbreaks SARS. Each one n one swine flu. And what point did you realize that? The Corona virus is going to be of an entirely different speed and scale than those when it came to the. Us was there a moment or that became clear to you. I think it relates to the issue of its efficiency of transmissibility. So the thing that rang the for me. That made me say Oh. We really have a problem. Here is when the corona virus was first identified in very early January. It was clear that this was something that had jumped from animal species in Wuhan China to humans so that was the first red flag for me then as soon as I found out which was literally days to a week so later that it was really circulating in China likely for several weeks it became clear to me that we could potentially be dealing with a global catastrophe and that was somewhere in the middle of January when it was clear that China was seeing not only extremely efficient transmissibility but also a disturbing degree of morbidity and mortality. Those two things together are the things that really are the makings of a public health nightmare. And that's exactly what I realized. We were in really bad trouble from the New York Times. I'm Michael Barr. This is the daily conversation with Dr Anthony. Fauci it's Thursday April seven move. Let's explore how we got to where we are you. You came out a few days ago and you told Americans that up to a quarter of a million of US could ultimately die from this pandemic in the best case scenario which was a very terrifying kind of best-case scenario. So I want to explore how it is that we got from that moment of recognition back in December January to this moment where the situation is so dire. I want to focus for a moment on the steps that could be taken to limit that back in the beginning. I know people like you are loath justifiably to second guess decisions in the middle of a crisis but at one zero in on a couple of items in particular for example by the time you all decided to ban travel from China. I think that was the end of January January thirty first the WHO had detected infections in multiple countries not just China. But I think it was South Korea and Japan meaning that any travelers from those countries could bring the virus to the. Us was this a moment to begin essentially sealing off the US from international travel or was the die already cast by that point. Well I mean. I think that we sealed off from China very quickly with regard to the realization of what might happen. Fact you might recall. We received a lot of criticism for doing that and even more criticism for sealing off and restricting travel from Europe. So I think that given the circumstances we were ahead of the curve and we acted quickly relatively speaking. I mean obviously if you knew everything that was going on as it was happening you might have acted sooner. But when you're dealing with viruses they stay silent and what you see. Now is the reflection of what likely happened a few weeks ago. And that's the reason why you probably remember. I have always said that if I get accused of overreacting. I feel good because it's probably that. I'm acting appropriately. Enough as opposed to overreacting. But when gentlemen when it comes to overreacting if you suspect the virus like this is invisible why not restrict travel earlier right? I mean I think the gap between when we restrict travel from China and Europe was over a month or so. Yeah yeah no I mean I. I don't think we could have done it early. I think we did it quite early and eating. Why couldn't we have a lot of pushback because of because of the resistance because it wasn't practical because people wouldn't have understood it wasn't very clear I mean right when you're dealing with like that retrospect to scope so really very would make things very very clear but when you're living through the fog of war isn't that easy you will always say everything. I've ever been through in thirty six years that I've been doing this as director of the institute. There's always that what could have been or what should have been. I mean that's always the case but I think in this case really just looking at it the way it is. I think that we acted pretty quickly in trying to cut off travel so I I wouldn't dwell on that as being what might have happened. It has felt like the delay in testing meant. We didn't recognize the scale. The problem really on because as you said this is invisible but it's not invisible to test it may just be invisible symptomatically so assuming that the Horse left the barn and the virus had gotten into our system. I know you don't run the CDC. But I assume you realize pretty quickly what it meant that the US was testing so few Americans. Where does that rank for you? As a problem in our early response as this was starting to spread That's a reasonable question. I think it you know it obviously was a problem. I perceived it as a problem early on unfortunately the systems that were originally set up in the relationship between the CDC and the Public Health Community in the state and local level was really not geared for the massive type of testing. That would be needed. That would embrace an require the participation of the private sector particularly the companies. That do the kinds of lab tests that you and I get when we go to a regular doctor's appointment so it was not suited for that. It is right now today ramping. Up to essentially make the private sector the major driving force of the testing. But you're absolutely correct back then early on that was not in place in. That's unfortunate because that brings us to federal guidance to states and cities to begin social distancing to shutdown life as we normally operate and when we spoke to Governor Andrew Cuomo a few weeks ago he said governors like him and really kind of the American public assumed that the federal government the President Vice President the head of HHS and someone like you frankly would definitively signal when it was time to take decisive action whether that meant shutting down schools closing restaurants bars issuing stay at home mortars and in his feeling and we hear this from other state leaders as well as the Federal Direction didn't come in time and I wonder what you make of that here. I mean they will always be criticism about something was not done in time. The of there is in this country and has always been a degree of independence that is given to the local components the states the governor's etc so guidelines that her out now for Mitigation. They are very very clear. Guidelines the states are implementing and interpreting that differently from one st. U K with that because I think that's the essential question in our system. We have fifty states and multiple leaders within those states. And so the question becomes does that inevitably lead to a patchwork unless the federal government is very very farm and says right. This is what everyone must do and were telling you. You really shouldn't think of it as optional you. You have a valid point there. I mean I think people have different perspectives about how much central mandating should occur at something that is argued all the myself I mean I. I'm one that tends to be not overbearing but somewhat more directive than others. I like clarity of message. That has always been something that I've guided myself by throughout my career in medicine and science but not everybody feels that way but when we go back and look in that retrospective scope. Do you think we will look back and say we wished that we had favored federal decisiveness and communication over allowing states to act as their own decision makers. I'm not sure about that. I think that's certainly a possibility. I mean there's always these hypothetical scenarios that we put up. That are very difficult to come to a firm statement on it. I mean. Obviously that if something doesn't go as well as you'd like it to go you always examine saying well if we had done differently. Would it have made a difference? You know and I don't know to be honest with you Back we all shop online a lot and finding promo codes. That work isn't easy unless you use honey. The free browser extension backed by Papal. That scans the Internet for the Best Promo Code and automatically adds it to your cart. Just honey to your computer shop like normal. Quick the apply coupons button and watch the prices drop it's one hundred percent free to use and installs in just a few seconds. Get honey for free at join honey dot com slash daily. That's join honey dot com slash daily. Let's talk about where we are now. And the federal government's efforts to achieve the best case scenario that you and the president outlined a couple of days ago. Everyone tends to use military metaphors in talking about this public health crisis and in keeping with that it very much feels like you are a general in this war in this moment. So what does a typical day like for you? Starting at what I assume is some ungodly hour of the morning. You're right we are in a war. I mean I actually. I think this is exactly what generals alitas in real. You know violent combat wars feel. I mean it's impossible day. I mean there's so much to do. It's like drinking out of a fire hose. I mean you get up. You know. There's a lot of people who need information. Which is the reason why I'm talking to you right now. There are journalists. There are congressmen their governors there. Legislators there were people in the federal government that constantly need briefing and I also running a very large institute that's responsible for making the vaccines and for developing the drugs. So I come in for a couple of hours get things on the right track here and then I spend more than half the day at the White House with various meetings the task force meeting. I'm with the vice president for hours. At a time. I see the president himself at least an hour a day maybe more and then I go back home and I have a thousand things to do and then you lucky if you get to bed before midnight and then you get up at four or five in the morning. I mean if you had to say what. Your single biggest focuses right now. What would you say it was? My biggest concern is that we now have a thirty day extension of the guideline that And we've got to get the American people to really appreciate that. It is absolutely critical to the best of their ability to abide by those recommendations because we know from experience in other countries and our own experience thus far that mitigation does have an impact on whether or not we're going to have X. number of cases and deaths or x minus whatever the number is and it's really in our hands so I wanna make sure that we get the American public to abide by that. But also another concern. Is that even? If you mitigate down to the lowest possible number of deaths it's not gonNA disappear. This isn't something that's just going to go away when you pull back on medication. There's the risk of rebound one of the things that concerns me is that we should be prepared to adequately address the inevitable rebound that you will see once you start pulling back on the restrictions and the mitigations that's of concern so you seem to be raising the prospect of how much of a lock down there should be in the US. And so. I WanNa talk about that for a minute. Many mid sized cities are now reporting outbreaks. It's not just New York it's Washington state. It's now Detroit New Orleans to some degree Chicago and I have to assume their suburbs our next right so this is still spreading spreading quickly. Despite the mitigation efforts. You Yourself in public. Appearances have resisted calls for what we might describe as kind of a nationwide lockdown and as a result parts or entire states are operating somewhat normal. Take parts of Florida. Why are you not prepared for a total lockdown no? I don't think it's accurate to say that. I'm not prepared for a total lockdown. I'm saying that if people really do the kinds of physical separations that we indicate in the guidelines that you can almost functionally have a lockdown without using the kinds of sometimes draconian things that have been done in China to get to the end game of where you want to be so. It isn't as if I'm against of what the ultimate impact of lockdown would be. I think we can get there without necessarily having literally a forcible lockdown but where there isn't a functional lockdown is there not a greater risk of transmission of. I don't know I really don't. I think that you can accomplish this if you do it. I mean obviously if you do a sloppy job of trying to do the mitigation and the physical separation. You're not going to be as effective as if you do it. In a more rigid way I mean I was very concerned about seeing videos in Florida of people frolicking on the beach going to bars and things like that I mean. We were very very articulate in vocal about how. That's the wrong thing to do. So what do you do in that case? Do you call the governor of Florida and say hey. I don't like what I'm seeing and I'm telling you giving my expertise that has to stop. I don't have to call him. I get on national TV. And say I make it pretty vocal about it. I mean that's a big message you mentioned dodgy your daily interactions with the president. It has seemed that he's been on a bit of a long and zigzagging journey starting with skepticism of this threat and downplaying of it and projecting a lot of optimism to sounding the alarm conveying the serious of it in the last twenty four hours or so in telling Americans to take it very seriously does that characterization feel fair I he was. The president has his own style. That's obvious to the American public. When I speak to him about issues that a substantive he listens I think he always understood the seriousness of it. Right now is the numbers are becoming crystal clear. He himself is articulating an awareness of that seriousness but from the beginning he always took it seriously. Do you see it as your job to influence. How he not only understands it but how he talks about it to the country. That is very difficult. I mean I actually my I see my job as the person who is the scientists. The public health official the physician who understands disease and to get the information correct information correct evidence to him so that he could make decisions that are based on evidence and based on data. I I don't think it would be possible for me to influence another person style. I mean that that just doesn't happen. I think the question at this point on everyone's mind is how long we're going to be in this situation. We're in with social distancing school shutdowns working from home or not working at all and you have said repeatedly that the federal government reevaluates where we are week to week. Maybe even day to day right. Is there a version of this? Where we need to remain in this position social distancing state-by-state patchwork but a functional kind of version of a lockdown. Not just to April maybe even to the entire summer and maybe even into the fall is a possibility. I when you say into the fall I I would be really surprised if that's the case. I think when you talk about. Is it going to be thirty days or sixty days or longer? You know as I've said the virus determines the time line not us we manage and formulate a time line. Depending upon how successful we have been in containing the virus and what the patterns and the dynamics of the virus. Aw so I always say without any regret at all or hesitation is a better word that you evaluated really as the time goes on and I had a very interesting conversation just this morning with colleagues from literally all over the world down the weekly telephone conference that the WHO sponsors and it was interesting to me that some of the most cogent concerns of people from different countries. I mean all over. European African Australian Canadian was that we need to make sure we keep awry on the balance of if you're too stringent in things like lockdowns and keeping people under wraps for a long period of time. You may have the unintended consequence of triggering from an economic and societal standpoint. Such disruption that you get things like poverty and health issues unrelated. The Corona virus was really a serious concern. Like what I mean. What are the worst case scenarios for unintended costs right? So many people need medications. Many people are dependent on supply chains for nutrition for food that they might starve that people who have illnesses. If you dramatically interrupt to the point where it no longer exists. The disruption of society can be really quite catastrophic. I mean that's the one of the things you want to avoid. And that's one of the pushbacks you have when you have people who say we really need to lock down everything and lock it down indefinitely. Well you might get an extra mile to out of suppressing the virus there but you gotTa make sure that you look at what the ultimate issue is. I've always been one. That leans much more heavily that it's the public health. That's the most important thing but I have very good people and many of them were on that international phone call. I was on who was saying yes. We agree with you but let's be careful that we don't do such a disruption of society that we really heard it is much more than what we're trying to prevent. I want to turn to how we will understand when this is over and I wonder if you think we have enough measures in place to understand when we've reached that point when this peaked and when this is actually bottomed out and will that mean for example doing millions of tests today to understand where the virus is. I mean what evidence. Will you need to see to feel confident that we can kind of call this over? Yeah so obviously. You'd want to see a very dramatic and complete turnaround. In the number of infections. There's illness this hospitalizations there's intensive care and there's death and the one that's the furthest out is the deaths that lags behind the others so you will continue to see deaths at a time when you have actually very good control of the new infections. The outbreak itself. So when I start to see the number of new infections essentially approaching almost zero and the number of deaths being close to that then I think we are through with this phase of it but that gets to the long term because we have a large planet here and we may be in a situation where we've got it really under control here but in other parts of the world it's still smolders which always gives the possibility of the reinsertion of the outbreak back into your own country now. Several things will mitigate against that being something that is a really serious problem one. We will obviously have been much better prepared right. We will likely have enough test to flood the entire country which we don't have right now. We very likely would have some therapeutic interventions and importantly hopefully as we get on a year year and a half from now or more will have a vaccine that works but Dr Vouch. I guess I need to ask the question. I think a lot of listeners are going to be thinking as here. You say this. Are you saying we may not be done with this functionally until we have a vaccine? Which could be eighteen months from now. Yeah well make sure that the listeners understand. It isn't a year of the intensity of what we're going through now. I believe that in a few months. Hopefully that will get it under control enough that it won't be as frightening as it is now but it will not be an absent threat. It will be a threat that is there and the threat of resurgence will be something that we need to make sure that we're prepared for the ultimate weapon against a resurgence is a vaccine. But before we get a vaccine we WANNA make sure that we have the wherewithal that when we turn the corner and that curve goes down to practically nothing that we realize and are not naive in thinking that the threat is no longer there because they will there will be as long as there's virus circulating in the world. There will be a threat of resurgence. If we're not properly prepared I have one last question for you and I was. GonNa say when this is over but now I'm gonNA revise that language to when the worst of this is over right. Okay how do you hope America will be remembered when it comes to this pandemic and how do you hope that you in? Your role will be remembered. Well I mean I hope that America is and I think it will be remembered of of really showing what a great country we are. We have been through as I've said if you look at the history of country some extraordinary ordeals world wars and diseases and and depressions and things like that. And we've gotten through it. I have a great deal of faith in the spirit of the American people. We're resilient we're going to get over this and this is going to end for myself you know. I just would hope that I'm remembered for what I think I'm doing that. I'm doing the very best that I possibly can. I've been a public servant all my life and this is right now you know. Kind of almost the epitome of being public servant of trying to mitigate against the terrible disease that afflicted us you know it came out of nowhere and we need to deal with it and we will deal with Thank you very much for your time. We really appreciate. I know every second of your day is precious so good bye. Thank you was good being with you. Thank you very much okay. Bye Bye On Wednesday afternoon after we spoke with Dr Gouge the governor of Florida Rhonda Santa's reversed course and ordered the state's twenty one million residents to stay home to contain the corona virus at the same time the governors of Georgia Mississippi and the Vata also announced orders to stay at home as of now the majority of Americans more than two hundred and ninety million people across thirty seven states are under orders or instructions to stay home or will be in the coming days Um unprecedented times like these information is critical. So is prioritizing. Your Health Walmart is doing everything we can to serve thousands of communities across the US. We're taking preventative. Measures to keep our stores clean and maintain a healthy environment. We're working to keep product stockton prices fair and as the largest employer in the country. We're working to take care of our associates to offering a new leave policy to ensure they had the support they need together. We'll get through this learn more at Walmart Dot com slash here for you. Here's what else you need to know on Wednesday. The Times reported that the US emergency stockpile of protective medical supplies. Like masks. Gowns and gloves is nearly empty. Since the beginning of the crisis the government has delivered more than eleven million n ninety five masks five million facials. Twenty two million gloves and seven thousand ventilators exhausting. It's suppose the shortages mean that the federal government must now compete with states and other countries to purchase essential medical gear at the height of the pandemic. So a state and every governor will tell you this they're trying to buy. I'm trying to buy them calling everyone. I know so really. The only hope for a state at this point is the federal government's capacity to deliver governors across the country including Andrew. Cuomo in New York and Ned Lamont in Connecticut expressed disappointment and anger over the state of the stockpile. Little disturbing today to find out that the national strategic stockpile is now empty for now. We're on our own for now. We are working our heart out scouring the globe as best we can and I gotTa tell you as your governor. This breaks my heart. That's it for the day. I'm Michael Barr see tomorrow. Then Guard was founded on the simple radical idea that in investment company can succeed because it puts investors first vanguard is client you own their funds and the Fund's own vanguard which means vanguard is built to ensure that your interests will be the priority together vanguards thirty million investors are changing the way the world invests visit vanguard dot com or talk to your financial advisor to learn more.
Wednesday 1 April
"You're listening to the globalist for his broadcast. On the first of April Twenty Twenty on monocle twenty four the globalist in association with UBS live from Zurich. This is the globalist to Ayatollah. Goulet coming up in the US White House press briefings are back as part of the White House. Corona VIRUS TASKFORCE CONSIDERING PRESIDENT. Trump's often erotic performances. We'll look at the debate over how the media should cover them but it hasn't just been his dismissals of so-called liberal media outlets nasty questions can fake news staple of the trump presidency is the rest of the content. More from Monaco's America's editor at large stocker. A little bit later then. The Japanese government warns that the country remains on the brink of a state of emergency as the RATE OF CORONA VIRUS INFECTIONS. Continues to increase will be checking in with our teams in Tokyo Bangkok and Hong Kong. And we'll also hear one of the world's biggest employers is dealing with mental health during this crisis. All that much more ahead of the globalist with me tie. The burly live from Zurich. Good morning from a crisp and Sunny Zurich here on monocle twenty four. Let's start by looking. At what else is making news? Un Secretary General Antonio Guiterrez has called for an immediate coordinated global response to tackle the krona virus epidemic. Saying it's the greatest test for the world. Since the Second World War the trump administration has offered to lift sanctions on Venezuela if the country's opposition and members of its ruling party form an interim government without President Nicolas Maduro at the helm and in Japan. The government has warned. The country remains on the brink of a state of emergency as the rate of Corona Virus Infections continues to increase stay tuned to monocle twenty four throughout the day for more on those stories but first we head to the United States where White House press briefings are back as part of the Krona virus taskforce and meant to provide the public with fact based information. Although yesterday's edition was a bit of a sombre fair discussing projections of at least one hundred thousand in the country dying from the virus president. Trump's performance at the meetings has often been erratic using his podium to pick fights with states misinform N. play politics. It has provoked immediate debate about how to cover them are America's editor at large at Stalker filed this report. A lot of people have thought about it right it out. Don't do anything. Just write it out and think of it is the flu. But he's not the vicious no hoax no dismissal of it being similar to flu no tool that this would all just go away instead on. Tuesday evenings press briefing a more somber assessment of Corona virus in the US and the number of deaths. It could cause yesterday president. Donald trump often deferred to his to corona virus. Taskforce experts the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease Director. Dr Anthony Fauci. Who tells it like it is in his thick Brooklyn accent and Response Coordinated Dr Deborah burks yet since the US became one of the global pandemics epicenters the daily press conference at one point abandoned by the White House is once again front and center with trump dominating and always you'll never quite sure which donald trump is going to show up? We're scared though. Nearly two hundred dead fourteen thousand millions as you witness who are scared right now where you say to Americans who are watching you right now. You're scared I said that you're a terrible reporter. That's what I say. But it hasn't just been his dismissals of so-called liberal media outlets nasty questions fake news a staple of the trump presidency is the rest of the content of ten self congratulatory with one eye on the presidential election in November. That is provoked in industry debate about whether newspapers a network should be reporting on the briefings live even as they've averaged audiences of eight and a half million or this for many cable news channels that have eagerly reported every word. The president has opted in the post among the on air talent to express concern some of the dubious information coming from the president's lips. Msnbc's Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes and CNN's Don Lemon his hayes appearing on Monday but in the alternate universe of the trump show. Everything is going great. President trump is the man in control. There's a reason. The President keeps appearing at the corona virus. Briefings that are supposed to be about fact-based updates. He uses them as propaganda sessions regularly spewing misinformation and lies when he's at the podium. They have morphed into something akin to trump rallies without the crowds trump is used the briefings to lambast governors and denied that they need the number event as they are requesting is used the briefings to accuse new hospitals. Apparently misappropriating mosques is used the briefings to tout the prowess of private business such as honeywell CBS Fedex and Walmart giving them some useful and media and he's used the briefings to suggest vaccine alternative treatment solutions on air but it was the appearance of Michael J Lindell in the Rose Garden. The White House on Monday might Lindell inventor of my pillow. Thanks to your support was perhaps the most bizarre of all a staple of cable news channels ABC breaks the mypillow found explained how you would be altering production to make tens of thousands of cotton face. Mosques then veered off topic. Our president gave us so much. So we're just a few short months ago. We had the best economy the lowest unemployment and wages going up. It was amazing with our great President Vice President and this administration are all the great people in this country praying daily we will get through this and get back to a place that stronger and safer than ever debriefings. Although often brought back to Earth by the science based reasoning of doctors in berks often derail by trump's musings and they often contradict the messages are coming after the states especially three of the worst hit Connecticut New Jersey and New York. The governors of all three states continued to insist they need more federal coordination and more ventilators to stop a scrap between different players for fi- to equipment and supplies into to the Fray Andrew. Cuomo the straight talking Italian American governor of New York who cites a disconnect between the federal government and states here. He is speaking in his daily press conference on Tuesday. So you have fifty states competing to buy the same item. We all wind up bidding up each other and competing against each other. Where you now literally will have a company call you up and say Well California. Just outbid you. It's like being on Ebay. Cuomo who has named Corona Virus Law protecting the state's most vulnerable populations off to his mother. Matilda and who often ends up telling family anecdotes during briefings has become a trump and he don't for many someone who claims he isn't looking to school political points and it's been at pains to emphasize the gravity of the situation is leadership has one in fines on social media and even caused some to ask whether he should be running for president a position. He clearly wants coveted his younger brother. Chris a CNN anchor who has tested positive for Kobe. Nineteen grilled him about it earlier in the week with little success. Ask You something with all of this adulation that you're getting for doing your job. Are you thinking about running for President? Tell the audience. No no no. You won't answer. No I answered it as a US continues. Its upward corona virus curve and the president has given the go-ahead for social distancing to continue at least until the end of April. We may well see the sparring between between two individuals who bill themselves as no nonsense. New Yorkers continue for some time yet for Monaco in New York. I'm ED stock Well we are going to stay in the United States over to the other coast right now. We're joined by Marc Edelman commentator media strategist friend of the medical world as well good evening mark. Hey good evening. Good Morning Tyler. How are you? I'm very well. Thanks very much. Just listening to EDSA report there mark. It's it almost becomes more bizarre. It's an it's almost bedtime viewing if you're sitting in Europe to watch these press briefings It's a little bit earlier in the day over on your when it happens. how are your fellow Angelenos and other other men and women up to state. How are people viewing these briefings at the moment? Now I think you'll find a lot of kinship and the way a lot of us out here as well. It's interesting you know who this afternoon's press conference by. Trump. It was the first time he's ever really said the same thing that the scientists have been saying. And that's actually a really big deal because over the last few weeks they have the doctors come out they say their spiel. And then trump gets up negates all of them and there's been a lot of talk about sort of the tone and we're missing the story when we're just talking about his tone but so much trump is is theater and for a lot of people that are just trying to live their daily lives in any weird way they can right now. They may not be watching this all day. In fact a lot of them are not and so when he changes his tone. Some people are actually looking up and saying. Oh this is actually something. That's real right now if there was a shift. And you're right. They're absolutely house. But you sort of wonder what's happening in the Oval Office and if he's literally been tied to a chair and and properly schools did By by Dr Cheap because I it's a shift d think there's also now plays in terms of approval ratings. Of course he likes to talk up his his own at but it's it's been a bit uncomfortable to watch all of this and then have a lot of corporate America. Stand up and say Mr President. You're doing an amazing job. Now maybe things have improved slightly. But I'm wondering in terms of popularity also of course we're talking about an election year here. Yeah I mean you know they call it the Rose Garden Strategy and a friend of mine. Who was the White House? Communications director under president. Obama pointed out to me. It's very hard to lose the White House and if you really look at the last eighty seven years it's really only happened twice Besides weird things like resignation resignation or assassinations and with that sad. It you know the the White House occupies such a large piece of oxygen In in the world it. It just looks like doing things whether they are. They're not and It was talked about in the Package we just listen to how much You know networks are talking. Should we carry these? Things? What is the value of it because it does sort of turn into a little bit of a side show and I listened to. I watched the entire press conference this afternoon. It was over two hours and the front part was very much the sobriety the tones we were just talking about but then trump started talking about the FBI and impeachment and it was a hoax and you know McCabe and the mullet report and all of that so even on one of the most probably sober press conferences. He's ever been a part of it. It's still sort of reverts into this kind of Alice in wonderland kind of universe. Yes it does. Yes spin off a very odd way. We're talking. Of course Ed was in his It is peace going into this mark about the little bit of a moment for Governor Andrew Cuomo and of course we had the exchange With his his brother the presenter Chris of course The wave Is Heading your way? It's heading to the West Coast and I wonder if we look up to. Sacramento is going to be a bit of a moment now as well For Your Own Governor Gavin Newsom. You know he's actually been. You know and and candidly. He is a friend so I I put that out there but he you know has been occupying. California has thirty seven million people. I believe and has been doing press conferences every day and I think has done in a way like Andrew. Cuomo has has sort of pioneered his own little country. If you will and has I think on the front end of this a couple of weeks ago been really putting out rhetorically but also in a policy way trying to get in front of this as much as one can knowing that we're all behind the eight ball and I think when you look at Governor Cuomo you look at guys like Gavin Newsom and I I. It's funny a few weeks ago before this became the defining almost generational thing. We're talking about now. My friends and I were saying how nothing matters anymore. And I say that in an American Lens but everything that's happened over the last three years and specifically the last six months whether it's impeachment All the goofy things the report that trump has been involved with it didn't matter and all of the sudden stuff really matters and so then you take a guy like Andrew or a guy like Gavin. Newsom WHO ARE SERIOUS? Who are thoughtful and they get it and a lot of the American people get it and all of a sudden you look at the White House and everybody keeps asking. Do these guys actually get it? Indeed a big question will come back to As well mark always good to talk to you a media commentator and strategist Mark Edelman joining us in Los Angeles. It's just coming up to quarter past the hour here in Zurich. You're listening to the globalist on multiple twenty four. Well it's time to jump from Los Angeles as head across the Pacific to Tokyo. Now we're GONNA be doing a bit of a whip around all of our bureaus will start with our Fiona Wilson who's standing by Fiona. There's been of course a number of things even just before we went on air. The Nikkei is and that's the. The Nikkei has in the newspaper Israeli reporting a sentiment issue perhaps sort of fueled of course by the Olympics postponement obviously all of the uncertainty but certainly can consumer sentiment way way down and amidst of course this question mark as to whether or not a national state of emergency is is going to be imposed. What's the latest there? Well I mean there's definitely been a shift to here I saw the prime minister is now being seen in a mosque. Which is a first and his Deputy Prime Prime Minister Tara? They've decided that they won't attend the same meetings. Eddie more in case of any infection and that one needs to take over but talking about business. I mean the Bank of Japan's quarterly survey of business. You know they go to ten thousand businesses. All somehow that feeling optimistic pessimistic on a scale and it's gone very very negative very pessimistic. A mixture of the virus postponement of the Olympics general. Slow down and you know I think the mood Israel the anxious now and I think if you look at what's going on in Tokyo particularly you're starting to see a little bit of a Tossup Between Governor Koi k. The governor of Tokyo and Shinto I think the feeling is that would really like to make a big decision. Now is going to be a lockdown in Tokyo. And she's really laid out for him. She said you know look at. Tokyo and I hope the prime minister will make decisions based on what she's saying. Is You know Tokyo to a record increase in actions yesterday. I think she's feeling time to make a decision. But did you think it's just too becomes a Tokyo question because that's been the slightly strange thing you had this. I'd say advisory that That of course was issued for everyone to stay in last weekend. And then it is. It's not quite Business as usual you and I've been corresponding. The streets are quiet quiet but then and what do you do with Sapporo's had well? They've had a state of emergency in Hokkaido already. But what do you do with Nagoya? What do you do with Osaka and other cities yeah? I think that's a really difficult one and I get the feeling slightly you know that flying they put a story today appeared on an H. K. public broadcaster. The schools in Tokyo will extend their closure. Until may that's not being confirmed and I think they're testing the waters a bit to see how the public reacts. I mean the fact is that sends a now in place emergency powers if he needs them but if you look at what he can actually do in. Japan is not like other countries. A lock down here is not enforceable it will be about saying. It's the usual Japanese saying we're requesting people to do x y and hoping that social pressure will make them. Do the Maycom do the scenes? You've seen around the world but the police guy and telling people to get back indoors. They weren't able to do that here. So a state of emergency will look quite different in Japan. Whatever happens just before we go we were. They have to tell people to go back indoors. Japan is very strong social capital people. Of course Generally do what they're told or. Do you think that this is just so unprecedented? It's very hard for them to read. I think is unprecedented. I think the funding is that people will do that told. The problem is now getting this feeling from many quarters. Not Being told what to do so everyone's waiting for some leadership from Shinzo Bay. What does he want the public to do? I think that you know at the moment. It's a little bit unclear. Governor Koi K. Has made her feelings clear in a nice passive aggressive way. I think she would like a shutdown a proper shut down and waiting for leadership from the prime minister. Funeral Wilson in Tokyo. Good to talk to you. We're going to head south now Gwen Robinson is of course a monocle contributor. Also she is the editor at large for the Nikkei Asian review. She joins us from Bangkok Gwen. Good Day to you Gwen de we we. We were in touch and we have been in touch of course over the past few weeks. There was this feeling that maybe Thailand somehow was able to give this a swerve and now like many other countries of course Rich returning nationals. Etcetera has changed that. Maybe if you could tell us if you're flipping on the national news channels if you're picking up the Bangkok Post or any of the Thai papers every morning Is it Kovic? Nineteen all the time or is there also another story in Thailand at the moment? Now absolutely there's a growing obsession with it And it's taken root quite steadily. How about I think one thing? One point to really care is that The ties of being what we might very tie about the whole thing like we've had conflicting announcements. They were prevaricating about closing borders or or banning foreign travelers They've been sending very mixed signals. Which has created some confusion and anger at the government behind that though is the reality that no country I think in the region depends as much on tourism as Thailand does and that accounts for actually quite a large proportion of GDP. So I think. The government was petrified about closing down the country and for a while there That we that was the result of the IT resulted in mixed messages. Now though they moving into a kind of semi look down again very tie you know they they threaten things. There's a threat now to close all public transport at the moment. That's still going At the moment you can travel outside Bangkok to Certain provinces but There's also a very real threat that all travel will be stopped so at the moment. It's a bit of a bit of that but I tell you standing on the middle of Sukhumvit road in Russia where it would have taken. Maybe two hours to go up ninety one out to go. You know some kilometers right now. It's a ghost town. Mt Gwen you started talking about. Just the importance of tourism Do we already have a situation? Where the they really military government are talking about a a tourism stimulus package or massive? Spend two to promote the country. Because they're going to have to be on the front foot there I again. Yes absolutely but they think again retie about it. So it's a lot of rumors there have been various Various measures announced to alleviate first and foremost Sort of voting people losing their jobs but That the industry has big hearts for Some big assistant at the money you can imagine I mean this city is full of luxury hotels and quite a few of them have now announced. Temp CLOSES THE AUTHOR. Prestige The highest Various other every day we're hearing about new New Closures all stressing temporary that the ultimate uncertainty I think hanging over the industry as it is around the world really is nobody knows when it will end and no hotel. No when they reopen they laid off stuff just with the assurance that they can come back at a later stage so I think that's really a problem and compounding that is the government announcement initially the the look would be until April so it changed now. There's an emergency order that suggests that it would be able to thirtieth and today the prime minister said well maybe we'll extend it a month or two. I mean every day is losing massive money to businesses that there is a big understanding about why this is happening. It's just there is no certainty at all so I think that's very much the focus of the tourism industry. Now it's lobby for fun to at least pay maybe pay stuff You know just handled. It costs Glen Robinson in Tokyo. Thanks very much for that again. We'll be checking in with you over the coming days up to Hong Kong now. Our Bureau chief there James Chambers James. Good Day to you. You wrote a great piece in her monocle minute earlier. Talking about your current situation your own self imposed quarantine That you're in at the moment but I want to take a step back from all of that. You've probably got a lot of time James of course to look at at global media. And I'm wondering when you look at local media in Hong Kong at your. You've you've been living with this is it is it. Is it still a page one story Or there's of course there are many other things to talk about and in a way which curious about Hong Kong is. Life always did move on. You do not have this. Massive massive shutdown that we've seen elsewhere of every single sector. You're being being closed So I'm wondering. How do things look at the moment tyler? We're probably we're in the the second week of the second wave of Virus cases here in Hong Kong while the city did a great job at Containing the first wave the concern now on the thing that's making. Headlines is trying to limit the number of cases abroad into Hong Kong from overseas. There's a bit of good news coming out of Hong Kong today because it's looking like those cases probably spiked towards the end of last week and yesterday they were only thirty two new ones. So that the the news today is that perhaps we We have moving ahead in the government's kind of social distancing policy and plans to put people who have returned to Hong Kong from overseas mandatory quarantine like myself for two weeks is is working so yes it is still making headlines and the government is shutting down things but life still goes on other people on the streets when I look outside their. 'cause there's still people in restaurants. I'm so it's not as bad as a lot of the places around the world and I guess there's some room for optimism when you look at this shiny towers beyond of course where the Many of the major global financial services companies have the regional headquarters et Cetera. Is that back to normal normal footing now or some companies still doing Let's say half half half their core team in half at home etc as it. Is it a bit of a mixed buffet in terms of also just how either multinationals are also of course? Hong Kong companies are really getting on with the day to day tasks business. Yes definitely a mixture. Everyone employee employees in Hong Kong. We're following the government's lead so When the Initially I came to Hong Kong. The Hong Kong government made civil servants. Look at home. That's about a hundred and seven hundred thousand employees and a lot of people or banks and financial services companies followed that lead in and made their own workers will from home and then The came back to work when we look like We contained I wave and then suddenly they were sent by kkob when it went in the second wave came back and so employs a kind of a halfway house where they were. They don't quite know what to do and a lot of being left to individual employees what they feel like doing. If you want to work at home you can do. A lot of people end up getting bored and coming into work. So the social distancing policies apply more to places like gyms and cinemas rather than the workplace at the moment you're not allowed to gather in groups of full but that doesn't apply when you're in the office James just before we go. We saw some announcements out of Hong Kong yesterday with just really some of the most horrendous retail figures. Just we're talking about drops in close to fifty percent For for many businesses that will let the average in fact. What is the the stimulus discussion? there is there pressure on landlords to reduce rents What are they doing for for small enterprises and city which despite of course we think about the gleaming towers one which is very much defined by its trading and merchant class. Us RIGHT IN. Hong Kong is being Bassett for over since June last year by the protests and is grown vices come on top of that so retail businesses of being hit the hardest and so the news yesterday that they've dropped retail sales. Dropped BY FORTY. Four percents in is another shocking. Figure coming off two months and months and months of shocking figures government is providing funds for for retailers. But we all seeing a lot of Shops close on the loss of Lisa's being handed back in a surprising. Move and a potentially a positive move which will give retailers some confidence. Carrie Lam did come out and say that landlords should consider providing rent free periods to that tenants. Now the the government normally takes a very hands off approach and doesn't really get involved in the market so I guess it's indication of how bad it is here that Carrie Lam has taken those measures. And I guess a lot of people will be hoping that the the landlords do listen to that James Chamber Sophie. By the time you're out of your self quarantine you'll be heading back to bureau with with lower. Rents are James Chambers In Hong Kong Theater Wilson in Tokyo Gwen Robinson in Bangkok. Thank you very much to all of you. Still to come on the program a review of this morning's newspapers you're listening to the globalist. Ubs has over nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries over nine hundred of the sharpest moins freshest thinkers in the world of finance today. Find out how we can help you contacted us at. Ubs DOT COM. And you're back with a globalist with me. Tell the blade just coming to the bottom of the hour right now. Fifty and thirty In Tokyo it is eight. Thirty here in Zurich. It's one thirty in the morning. If you're listening. Minneapolis Flooring Egli is here. He's with a think tank four dollars. He's here to tell us what is on the front page front pages of the the papers. Good morning for getting wondering Tyler. What where do you WanNa Start What have what have you go out there? And it's great that we're able to bring in proper papers papers at this time of logistics upsets and and many other things where where do you WANNA start with? Us exactly fantastic. We have printed paper And even a cup of coffee. So let's start in Switzerland Because we're here in Zurich. I read through target on tiger. Which is one of the main newspaper Syrian in In Switzerland and I'd like to jump on sales first because that's interesting. So of course we see online shop skyrocketing but we see other things to surf for example. Switzerland has in vented twin which is a mobile pay APP. She's also a doubling in sign. Ups Interesting Walmart actually in the. Us has seen sales skyrocket for shirt but not for pants. So an indication of Home Office there and online shops like digital can galaxies also. Swiss inventions. That actually do the same as Amazon. Does they also really take benefit of this of just situation and I think what's interesting here is that Swiss companies do exactly the same as very large American. Multinationals are able to benefit. And maybe there is actually Some value in local innovation and and kind of doubling down on what the Amazon and apple pays of this world do. Yeah so maybe these small Swiss companies are able to take a share. And maybe we'll see some continuing change afterwards. Maybe how you pay. If online pay is is becoming the new rule. I mean it's interesting because the those companies you're talking about the likes of galaxies that they're part also bigger groups almost say the Amazons of Switzerland. It's important to point out to our listeners. Around the world that despite the size of this economy in the importance of Switzerland Amazon does not exist. Exist on television but But that's that's really about about it but I do think there's also maybe another side to this which is also people thinking you know. How do I go and help the mets the butcher on the corner how do I also help small business? It seems that there's a bit of a ground ground swell of people thinking about also the small the small enterprise as well and that's that was a great pleasure to observe. Because there's so many initiatives from community side coming up. You know web pages new APPs being programmed and this weekend coming up. We have Switzerland Wide Heckert on on ideas. How to tackle Corona? There is really quite. Yesterday I was walking through Christ today which is My district in the city of Zurich and and I see it sort of next to letterboxes. He signed you know. Sign up here. If you want to help you know just do grocery shop for elderly. And there's really. There's a ton of initiatives coming up also to help for example local local shops restaurants. You can buy coupons now kind of like future meals. We continue going you know. You're eat out budgets spended but spend it on future On future meal so I think there is. There is plenty of initiative and for the moment. At least the the The sentiment that I get here in Switzerland. There's still quite positive. It's still very encouraging is. We're going to get through this together and let's help each other and and so for a moment. I think the spirits are up and and that's good. Where do you WANNA go next What's the next front page for you? Well next Let's go over to our neighbors. In the north to Germany so seuddeutsche asset front page talks about Corona Bonds I think something quite interesting. North Italian mayors officially demanded from the German government now to issue run a bouncer to support that move of the European Union Austria Finland and Netherlands or against sort of the classic fiscally Conservative Block around Germany and Italy. And I would imagine. It wasn't on the front page of but I would imagine. Spain and alikes are four so I think that puts the European Union yet to another tests. Because it's unfortunately I would say kind of the same lines of friction as we saw previous crises And now there is some move some movement in the German party landscape so the Conservative Party are on mark that in various still against But some of the Social Democrats are coming up with different proposals now to use the European Investment Bank for example to increase the EU budget. So I think we're not gonNA see come in depth. I think the position against this is too strong but still think the European Union cannot afford to just do nothing so I would assume probably some expansion of the budget and I would probably also think that we're going to see the European Central Bank stepping yet another time which is a bit problematic from from. Let's say an economic point of view because you don't want every time that politicians can reach a consensus to have the central bank step in but I think the European Union has to show some solidarity because essentially I mean this. This crisis is also kind of a test of how governments are able to cater to their citizens needs and there is a big game of with China reacting well or not and I think the European Union has to show some some real effect Tiriac Day if they want to have a reason to go into the future and something to refer to in the future as well. We were certainly seeing In Germany a the the the middle stand major corporations are saying look. We're into this but after all this is Germany and we are the most important Konami with within the EU largest economy. What's the Exit Strategy? And I think that you keep seeing this popping up everywhere so I listen to our weenie. Three three game but we really need to know what's happening here and and and everyone is of course you see of course this. The end point of course kicked into the long grass as well so we don't really know what it ends and a lot of people are saying it doesn't matter we still need a plan and of course there's a lot of scrambling going in the background. But do you think this just gets louder and louder. Every day I fully agree this issue right so so I'm concerned. I do quite a bit of research on on on climate change but mostly investment and climate engine policy. Credibility is key and that's I think in all areas and the the problem here is you cannot have credible policy because literally nobody knows. How long is this going to take? And whether they're gonNA be swings ups and downs whether or not and how? How long are we actually going to be in this contracting? The economy releasing a little bit. You know going back to social life and then retracting again and I think that uncertainty is one of the one of the worst and most troubling things because I think businesses are able to quite quickly. I mean we're kind of shutting down the economy artificially. There is no real problem here so I think if we were able to give a real plan and you know step by step this is going to take two. Months is going to take time. It doesn't really matter. How long just have a plan but nobody can credibly commit to that? And you've seen what happens when you commit to your plan when you when you saw trump announcing their life is going to be back at Easter time. Well it's not as well. You could argue. He could have known it. Of course it could have but there is quite a few unknowns in in this in this pandemic I think nobody can credibly commit to relaxing plan. And that's kind of distinct society that looms around. And maybe it's also but if a test of our societies like live with a bit more uncertainty may be attested very much tests and we would have to leave it there. It's a sunny day here in Zurich. You've got lots of time to work on an exit strategy that maybe you could circulate negligent vice president for us the foreign policy. Think tank here in Zurich. You're listening to the globalist turbulent times. It's important to stay focused on the bigger picture. Monaco's been doing exactly that since. Twenty seven. Subscribe to the magazine today as well as fresh ideas on business culture design and more direct to your door. You can get a global perspective unrivalled insights into current affairs without leaving your Cypher. 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We're we were curious to hear what are the world's biggest employers is dealing with this aspect of the crisis of course and the questions The current situation raises for that. I'm joined here in Zurich by Cindy Hanson. Who's the head of the Adecco Group Foundation and also social innovation? Good Morning Nice to see you. Good morning we've been talking about this topic with with a variety of of of of course different experts And also just average punters as well. This is of course Front and center a you are. What have the biggest employers in the world situated Your headquarters just around the corner from we are here. Was this already a program that that you're working on just given of course Yes that you've got you know. Tens of thousands of people around the world and in in various locations and was something that you thought. Okay this is of course. This is not that great. But you were able to kick this practice or has just been a total rethink right now. Here so actually. This is something that we've given a lot of thought to over a number of years because we are a people person in something that is absolutely front and center but I would say that this crisis is really accelerated a lot of the things that we were already doing so one of the key pieces I in the way the Adecco Group approaches health and wellbeing is to take a really holistic approach. Because we're dealing with whole people you can't isolate something like physical health or mental health in and we need to make sure that we're actually creating an environment that allows people to really be holistically healthy and to bring their whole selves to work on. That was there a situation of of course trying this out to I would imagine With Your own colleagues. Also your I mean you. You operate in many ways also like a consultant for other businesses. That is also your interaction. So was it was someone else who was the Guinea pig as you sort of looked at at this process or was it more something internal start. It actually has been both so one of the key things we've done out of the social innovation lab of the foundation is actually a project that now has been running for eighteen months to create a totally new more holistic approach to health and wellbeing that actually revolves around four different dimensions so not just physical health but mental social inclusion in this idea of purpose so we actually are just about to publish that. This is very timely at the moment. And we've been testing it internally with different parts of the group to see how it behaves but importantly we've tested with externals as well because we think this is something that is applicable not just to us as a company and certainly as a people company but actually to any employer to to monocle to a small business to a business. Everyone we've noticed a since this is of course really kicked in in such a severe way in in many Western countries and of course as lockdowns and certainly homeworking has shifted. We've noticed that many more people like the company of Radio which is Great That that is one thing that that people like to have on Around around the house you. When when we looked at this notion of of mental health it was of course you know under very different. Lens we thought about how people would be working from home It probably didn't assume that there would be schools closed. And there's been so many other things which have been thrown at this at you even Having to of course juggle kids and be a teacher. And and do your day job if you think about direct measures. I think people who are listening here. They're embarking on their day. What sort of front and center of your mind? You're what do people need to think about? Throughout the metabolism of their what is their new nine to seven or ten to six. Whatever it may be. I think it goes back to that idea of an interconnected approach. So you need to make sure that your moving physically but that your balanced mentally that you have a chance to give feedback get feedback. Your socially connected that you're driven by some kind of sense of purpose. And so what I hear is that people are finding a lot of comfort in setting up their own routines. So speaking with one of our design thinking Gurus yesterday and he actually set out with his own children away that they would choose how they were going to spend different blocks of time during the day and just that chance to feel in control and to make your own choices about how you were going to spend your day gave them that little bit of comfort then allowed them to get things done to focus to let him do work and to work better as a family does when else sort of personal empowerment. If you're on the other side of your managing teams and that could be team. Tanner a team of a thousand. What do you think managers need to think about? Because on one side I think most people trust their teams and know that they're out there. Doing what they need to do is also need to be almost a little bit more of an imposition of just structure check INS. What are you finding as Ki? As as a manager that needs to be delivered. I think he has structured check ins but I think the check ins need to be human. I think it's this idea of empathetic communication. That is huge. If you just give people information about wash your hands and keep social distance then it's not enough what you need. Is that chance for them to give feedback to raise questions to say what's bothering them to talk about the absent parent to talk about the distance from family and so that idea of creating more more proximity more chance for people to connect and to not just talk about the day to day. What are you doing today? And what's on your agenda but rather what are you feeling? And what can I do to help you to do it better just before we go when you talk about? What's what's on your agenda? How busy is the foundation and I guess Adecco in general also just looking at recovering you must have so when you do have I mean just of course hundreds and hundreds of clients who are thinking. What is the phase out of this? Look like as well. Because there's there's going to be a weaning off process. Some people are probably like they like being remote Other people also have to get back to the office at some point absolutely so we're now looking at a number of different work streams about. How do you respond in the short medium long term? How do you start to prepare already? And then ultimately what will the world of work look like what's going to stick not stick? What kind of hybrid system are we going to come out with? Not An assumption. That will go back to business as usual. Great Cynthia Hanson of the Decca Group Foundation. Very good seeing you much. You're listening to the globalist on multiple at twenty four and you are back with globalist on monocle. Twenty four from Zurich will of course the headlines If you spent any time looking at the the retail and business press Retail is is so much front and center and certainly the carnage. You could say that is hitting so many sectors were heading to Paris now to talk to the author and of course a luxury expert Dana Thomas. Dan Good morning morning. There are so many things out there were hearing about some of the most venerable department stores in the world who are on the brink of chapter eleven. Of course we were seeing you know tens and tens of thousands of frontline people in for for all kinds of big retail groups who are being laid off. Where would you like to start this morning? Well it's a big question you know. I think interestingly we didn't realize how much the fashion industry was built like a house of cards until we removed one of the cards. Which is the consumer shopping? You know stopping cold shopping. Just like that and the whole thing has just collapsed. I was this morning. Prior mark. Prime Mark has closed all of its stores and it has no online retail presence. People been cursing at prime mark for ages saying that it was the reason that you know there were so many miseries of the supply chain. Well that company may go under by in the next week or two because if they're not doing any sales whatsoever for the next who knows how long now six weeks that that can completely destroy business. Macy's is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. It's been on the its bid on the edge and and coming up with turnaround plans and and it's an it. Looks like now at the most recent turnaround plan won't get implemented because it is an open because there aren't any shoppers and Neiman. Marcus is also looking like it's preparing for filing chapter eleven. It had been trouble any company. That's been even slightly in trouble. Is now deeply troubled. The gap had to lay off eighty thousand of its retail workers in America. All of them to think that they had eighty thousand people. Simply working in stores tells you how that store had not chain had over expanded and that from one day to the next it closed and was over and that company to has been teetering for a long time with lots turnaround plans. And I think this time it's going to be done for and Dana but was also facet on the other side too. You think that a business is is somewhat bulletproof. All of this if they some type of online presence. But then we've seen the likes of of of net importer and Mr Porter having trouble on the other side as well. Well yes because. What's the first thing you do when you when you are locked in and you've lost your job and that's you cut away expenses. That aren't necessary. We saw this after nine eleven. The luxury fashion industry collapsed after nine. Eleven and not just luxury all fashioned except for funding enough airmen which had a rush. It's Manhatten's store because people said if this is the end of the world. I've always wanted to buy scarves so now I'm going to but most you know that's right now. What we're thinking about is shelter about taking care of our families about food. We just went to another run last night at the frozen food store wondering when they're gonNA shut them all down and just as the backup and an so luxury fashion for sure but even fast fashion is not important. Where are you going to wear? I keep hearing how? Everyone's just staying in their pajamas all day. And it's a big deal if they got actually dressed so fashion is not seen as a priority. And so that's why we're not ordering online what we ordered line my household day beauty products spa products. We're doing day spot home. That's different kind of luxury. And I suspect that those companies will keep going well but on that we can. We can talk about things going well. Are we looking at almost a half of the year cancelled as well because I was having a conversation with one of our colleagues the other day the art part of the business and he said how are these companies have autumn campaigns? You know so so shows are canceled for the foreseeable future. I mean I have the German edition of my book has just been postponed for a month. Which is not a long time and people are reading books but they said we can't really figure out how to do advertising or media spin on you know the launch of the book because you know we can't get you out there we can't have you over. You CAN'T DO TELEVISION. You can't do you know it's it. We can't get you in magazines because there's you know it's a tricky time and if that's the impact on just one book. I can't imagine entire fashion campaign. The hardest hit and the most devastating and sad for me is countries like Bangladesh which is an India. Bangladesh eighty percent of their export is based on garment production and because companies. This is a house of cards. I was talking about because companies don't produce anymore. They all offshore. They all subcontractor contract contract factories to do their production. They don't own factories anymore. Those since they closed their production that the country is reeling reeling. And they've sent home most of the workers and this is not a well well off company. This is David Geffen going around on his boat and the West French West indies. Going isn't life difficult. I mean when these people lose their jobs only make ninety ninety three or ninety four dollars a month making clothes for these big brands. Their largest supply demand for H. M. H. and M. is guaranteed. They're going to pay the salaries and pay for their orders through a certain time. But then after that you know if they're going to have so much stock so much inventory in these in these warehouses that nobody's going to need anything and so countries that are major producers are going to collapse collapse. Danny you raise interesting point. Which you've been touching only was just of course the real fragile state of supply chains. Do you think we we see a bit of an about face. You talked about Armez now. Airmen's is a very different business than many others. But what's interesting about Air Mez and you could also talk about Chanel as well that they do own their own production or lease large parts of their own production as well do we. Do we do the Italian companies. And that's why they. They stepped up right away and started making masks because they could because they own or or have their own. You know work with factories that they they could switch over. They don't sub-contract on the other side of the world. Then why some somebody asked. Why aren't the American brands doing this because none of them own factories anymore? Do you think we then see another part of of. Let's say the value chain if you if you will that we see maybe the upper. Yeah let's say the upper mid brands start to to relook this and is there then. Certainly we know we've seen the rise of of of Turkey. We've seen the rise of hungry too. Many many countries you know have been back in the game. A little more than they used to be when it comes to clothing manufacturing but is this the moment of a big rethink right. Now if you're if you're sitting at lvmh where you again you have some of your own factories but you're using many others that you in the next board meeting people are going to be saying. Look we really really need to be looking at something which is much more stable. Either close to where the those core markets way may be what they are but also a little bit closer to home for own management team so they're not checking back and forth around the world. Absolutely I think that restoring and right shoring was taking was starting to take off. It's going to take off even more one of the brant. The companies I've talked about in my book is called English. Fine cotton's they're the only cotton mill in England right now and they're an old manchester mill from the nineteenth century. I suspect they're going to have a booming business. After this excellent they supply they only supply English companies. Which I think is really interesting. I think that's where we're going is is near near production again We can only hope Dana Thomas the author luxury analyst. Thanks for talking. Globalist Article Twenty. 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Democracy Now! 2020-03-13 Friday
"From New York. This is democracy now anybody that needs a desk. It's a test. They have to tell anybody that needs cast gets a test says the president of the United States. That's simply untrue. There have been just eleven thousand tests in the United States so far since the corona virus outbreak began. Compare this to nearly twenty thousand tests for Corona virus every day in South Korea alone the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease says the. Us is failing when it comes to testing for the virus. The idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other country doing we're not set up for that. I think you should be yes. But we're not today. We look at how the trump administration has failed to account for what it'd be thousands of corona virus infections because of ongoing problems with access to testing. We'll speak with professor. Justin Leslie of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Senior author of a new study that suggests the median incubation period for the new corona virus is about five days and epidemiologist. Dr Steve Goodman at Stanford Medical School Associate Dean of the School. Both are holding classes online for the rest of the porter over concerns about the outbreak. And yes Dr. Goodman is my brother all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot. Org the Warren Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman. The Corona virus pandemic is continuing to spread across the globe. According to the World Health Organization Corona virus has now infected over one hundred thirty five thousand people and killed nearly five thousand. Kenya and Ghana have confirmed their first corona virus cases. India's reported its first corona virus death. The death toll in Italy has surpassed one thousand while the country's medical system struggles to treat the sick. Meanwhile satellite photographs have been published online showing what appeared to be mass graves in Iran. Where Corona virus victims have been buried? The official death toll in Iran is around four hundred twenty nine but many fear. The actual number is far higher France Ireland Austria Belgium. Turkey and Norway have all begun taking steps to close schools to stop the spread of the virus here in the United States. The number of reported corona virus in factions jumped by nearly four hundred Thursday to about one thousand six hundred fifty but the actual number is believed to be higher congresses. In House. Doctor has privately told Capitol Hill staffers that he expects seventy to one hundred fifty million people in the United States will contract the virus. Six states have announced plans to close all public schools. Oregon Ohio Michigan Maryland Kentucky and New Mexico schools in Houston Texas near Seattle are also closing. Almost five million. Children are being impacted by the closings own major sporting events in the United States have been halted the NCWA has cancelled for the first time. Ever the men and Women's College Basketball tournaments known this March madness Utah Jazz player Rudy. Gobert has apologized after testing apologised after testing positive for corona virus. Just days after. He jokingly touched reporters microphones and phones while leaving a news conference Monday go bare wrote quote. At the time I had no idea I was even infected. I was careless and make no excuse. I hope my story serves as a warning and causes everyone to take this seriously unquote Disney has shuttered all of its theme parks around the world including Disneyworld and Florida. New York state has banned public gatherings of more than five hundred people including all Broadway shows on Thursday New York City mayor. Bill de Blasio declared a state of emergency as the number of confirmed cases in New York jumped from forty two to ninety five in a single day but the last twenty four hours have been very very sober literally yesterday morning. Feels like a long time ago We got a lot information. The course of the day yesterday a lot changed and then last night it does seem like the world turned upside down in the course of just a few hours on Wall Street. The Dow Jones Industrial Average plummeted ten percent Thursday in its biggest drop since one thousand nine hundred eighty seven airlines and cruise companies have been particularly hard. Hit major international cruise lines including Princess cruises and Viking suspended operations. President Trump's ban Europeans flying into the United States from twenty six European countries goes into effect midnight tonight. The stock market losses came despite the Federal Reserve injecting about one point five trillion dollars into the financial system in an effort to prop up. The market's former Labor secretary. Robert Reich tweeted total student. Loan debt one point seven trillion total cost of the Fed's short-term bank funding one point five trillion America has socialism for the rich harsh capitalism for everyone else Reverend William Barber of the poor people's campaign tweeted overnight. They found one point five trillion dollars for Wall Street but they can't find money to provide healthcare and living wages for one hundred forty million poor and low wealth people in America the trump administration's facing widespread criticism for its handling of the corona virus outbreak on Thursday. Dr Anthony Fauci. The Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said the. Us is failing when it comes to testing for the virus. The system does not is not really geared to what we need right now. What you are asking for that is a failing and it is a failing very. Let's admit the idea of anybody getting it easily. The way people in other countries are doing it. We're not set up for that. Do I think we should be yes? But we're not the BBC reports nearly twenty thousand. People are being tested for Corona virus every day in South Korea. Far More than the eleven thousand tests done in the United States since the outbreak began months ago on Capitol Hill House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi said she's close to reaching a deal with the White House on a corona virus aid package that includes funding for temporary paid sick leave and free virus testing on Thursday democratic congresswoman. Katie Porter of California grilled Centers for Disease Control Director Robert Redfield on the affordability of Corona virus. Testing Dr Redfield. Do you want to know who has the colonel virus? In who doesn't yes not just rich people but everybody might have the virus. All of America will you commit to the CDC right now using that existing authority to pay for diagnostic testing free to every American regardless of insurance. Well I can say that we're going to do everything to make sure everybody can get the time Dr Redfield. You have the existing authority. Will you commit right now to using the authority that you have vested in you under law that provides a public health emergency for testing treatment exam isolation out cost? Yes or no what? I'm going to say I'm going to review in detail with no in more news. On the corona virus. The press secretary of Brazilian President Sharable Sonata has tested positive for cove in nineteen. The official was photographed last week standing shoulder to shoulder with president trump and just a few feet from vice president. Mike Pence during both Sinatra's recent trip tomorrow Lago and Florida the official is also seen standing just behind trump and video taken at the meeting at trump's mar a lago resort South Carolina. Senator Lindsey Graham. Who was at the Mar? A LAGO meeting says he will self quarantine while awaiting the results of corona virus test. So we'll Florida senator. Rick Scott who met separately with Bolsonaro and the eight on Monday the White House however said President. Trump does not plan to get tested and he has repeatedly said this. Meanwhile Australia's Home Minister. Peter Dutton has tested positive for corona virus. Last week he met with President Trump's daughter Ivanka trump and attorney general William bar in Canada. Sophie Gregoire Trudeau the wife of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau tested positive for Kovic nineteen Thursday. She reported mild flu like symptoms after a trip to the UK. Prime Minister Trudeau. Says he does not have symptoms but will work for my solution for fourteen days in the Philippines president. Rodrigo duterte ordered a lockdown of Metropolitan Manila home to thirteen million people to charities. Order cuts off land domestic air and sea travel to and from Metro. Manila and imposes bans. On mass. Gatherings schools have been ordered shut for month and community. Quarantining is in effect local officials WHO DEFIED GOVERNMENT ORDERS FACE. Jail time was tested for corona virus after possible exposure. Meanwhile six of his Cabinet Ministers Sixteen lawmakers and the Philippines Central Bank governor have all gone into self quarantine as the corona virus continues to spread in the United States. Immigration advocates are afraid of a deadly outbreak inside immigration jails Silky Shah Executive Director of detention. Watch network said in a statement. Quote lives are already at risk and detention and with the spread of Corona virus? People are sitting ducks in a system. Notorious for its fatally flawed medical care unquote. They're also mounting concerns that the deportation of asylum seekers from the US and Mexico could accelerate the spread of corona virus across Central America. Honduras cancelled the arrival of flights with people who were deported as the country already declared its first. Two cases of the virus. El Salvador has declared a national quarantine banned all foreign travellers. Even though it hasn't had any confirmed corona virus cases yet this comes as the Guatemalan government announced Wednesday. It would ban the entry of European citizens as well as people from Iran China South Korea. North Korea has an attempt to control the spread of cove in nineteen. Meanwhile doctors working at a refugee camp. Aiding thousands of people in border city of Matamoros are preparing for the inevitable arrival of the corona virus to shelters and camps across the US. Mexico border one doctor at the MONTEMURRO shelter said Cova Nineteen infections along the border will be quote catastrophic and other news from the US Mexico border a nineteen year old pregnant woman from what Allah has died from injuries. She sustained after she fell while attempting to scale the US Border. Wall attempts to deliver her unborn. Baby were unsuccessful after she fell more than nineteen thousand feet. The Democratic National Committee has announced Sunday's Democratic presidential debate between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders will take place in CNN studios in Washington DC instead of an Arizona because of the cove in nineteen outbreak. There will be no live audience on Thursday Senator Sanders called on President Trump to declare a national emergency and for everyone in the country to be able to get the health care. They need without cost time in the modern history of our country when we are all in this together. This is that moment now is the time for solidarity. Now is the time to come together with love and compassion for all including the most vulnerable people in our society who will face this and DEMOC. From a health perspective or pace of from an economic perspective Sanders also called for an immediate moratorium evictions for Closures and Utility Shut offs during the crisis on Thursday. The Miami Dade Police Department announced its officers would not assist with addictions during the pandemic outbreak. Joe Biden has called for scientists to be in charge of dealing with the corona virus pandemic in the United States in Iraq. The United States launched a series of air raids targeting Iran backed militia groups the US described the attacks as retaliation for a rocket attack that killed two US soldiers and a British army medic Wednesday Aljazeera reports Iraq's military confirmed the US air raids late. Thursday night hit four locations including an airport under construction in the holy city of Karbala. There have been injuries but no fatalities reported so far. No one has claimed responsibility for Wednesday's rocket attack against British. Us troops but the US blamed the iranian-backed Hezbollah militia back in the United States. Us Army Whistle Blower Chelsea. Manning will soon be released from jail after one year behind bars on contempt charges for refusing to in a federal grand jury investigation into wikileaks. The order for her immediate release comes one day after. Manning was hospitalized Virginia after she reportedly attempted suicide at a federal prison in Alexandria on Thursday judge and the triangle wrote quote. The court finds Ms Manning's appearance before the grand jury is no longer needed in light of which her detention no longer serves any coercive purpose judge triangle however rejected a request to cancel the fines imposed against manning for refusing to testify. Manning will now have to pay two hundred fifty six thousand dollars in two thousand thirteen Chelsea. Manning was sentenced to thirty five years in prison for leaking documents and videos to wikileaks showing evidence of us. War Crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan. President Obama granted clemency in two thousand seventeen a vocal supporter of Donald. Trump was sentenced Wednesday to a one year prison term for threatening to assault and murder Minnesota Congress member Ilhan Omar Fifty five year. Old Patrick Carly Neo Junior. Who told investigators he loves the president and hates radical Muslims in our government unquote cold. Congress member Ilhan Omar's office in two thousand eighteen and delivered the threaten an expletive Laden rant. Congress member Omar is one of the first two Muslim women elected to Congress in is the only lawmaker to wear a hijab at sentencing. Hearing in federal court in Western New York Wednesday Carlino received a short prison term after Congress member. Omar pleaded for leniency. She wrote in a statement to the judge quote. The answer to hate is not more hate. It's compassion. He should understand the consequences of his actions. Be Given the opportunity to make amends and seek redemption the congresswoman said in climate news top United Nations researchers are warning that polarize capture melting six times. Faster than they were in the nineteen nineties. Threatening Sea level rise that will displace hundreds of millions of people. By the end of the century the intergovernmental panel on climate change ice loss data from Greenland. Tactica is in line with some of the most pessimistic predictions of climate change and then even if global carbon emissions were somehow halted today. Arctic ice will continue to melt for another three decades in South Carolina in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight anti lgbtq Q. Law that prohibited public schools from mentioning same sex relationships and sex and health. Education has been declared unconstitutional by a US district judge. The banning of the outdated law comes two weeks after a federal lawsuit was filed by the National Center for Lesbian Rights. Lambda legal on behalf of a high school. Lgbtq student organization and other LGBTQ rights groups. The lawsuit said the one thousand nine hundred law violated the fourteenth amendment by discriminating against. Lgbtq students has prevented them from having access to vital health education. Colorado State lawmakers have approved a bill to replace Columbus Day with a holiday honoring Francis Savior Breen the patron saint of immigrants. The Leadership Council the American Indian Movement of Colorado celebrated passage of the bill writing quote for decades the holiday officially justified the substitution fallacy for history and repeating a false narrative about the heroism of Columbus while ignoring his Taliban crimes against the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas unquote. If the bill is signed by Governor Jared Polis Colorado will join twelve other states and dozens of local governments that will no longer celebrate Columbus Day. Most of the now celebrate indigenous Peoples Day in. Its place and those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy now dot or the Warren Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman. It's been seven weeks since the first case of Corona virus was reported in the United States. Today we look at how the trump administration has failed to account for what may be thousands of infections because of ongoing problems with access to testing here in the United States. The number of reported corona virus infections jumped by four hundred Thursday alone to about sixteen fifty but the actual number is believed to be far far higher congresses. In House doctor has privately told Capitol Hill. Staffers that he expects seventy to one hundred fifty million people in the United States will contract the corona virus. Six states have announced plans to close all public schools. Oregon Ohio Michigan Maryland Kentucky and New Mexico schools in Houston Texas near Seattle are also closing. Almost five million. Children are being impacted by the school. Closings only major sporting events in the United States have been halted the NCW has cancelled the upcoming men and women's College Basketball tournaments known as March Madness Disney has shuttered all its theme parks around the world including Disney world in Florida. New York State's ban public gatherings of more than five hundred people Broadway has shut down on Thursday New York City mayor. Bill de Blasio declared a state of emergency as the number of confirmed cases in the city jumped from forty two to ninety five in a single day again. These numbers are striking and troubling. We now and even compared to this morning. We've seen a big jump. We now have ninety five confirmed cases as forty two new since yesterday. So you can see the progression now. Mayor de Blasios estimated New York could have a thousand cases of corona virus by next week and said quote. We're getting into a situation where the only analogy is war unquote the New York Times reports fewer than two thousand people in New York have been tested. There have been just eleven thousand tests throughout the United States. Compared this what. Bbc is reporting. Nearly twenty thousand people are being tested for Corona virus every day in South Korea alone at a Congressional hearing Thursday on the Corona virus outbreak Democratic Congress member Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida press. Cdc Director Robert Redfield on the limited availability of Corona virus tests medical workers who think they've been exposed. Redfield was unable to answer and then turn to National Institute of Health official. Dr Anthony Fauci for guidance. This is how Dr Fao Who's the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases? Top MEMBER OF TRUMP'S CORONA VIRUS. Task Force responded. The system does not is not really geared to what we need right now. What you are asking for that is a failing and it is a failing. Let's admit it. The fact is the way the system was set up. Is that the public health component. That doctor that doctor Redfield was talking about was a system where you put it out there in the public and a physician asks for it and you get the idea of anybody getting it easily. The way people in other countries are doing it. We're not set up for that. Do I think we should be yes? But we're not okay. That's really disturbing. And I appreciate the information. Dr Found she. Statement appeared to directly refute a claim president trump made just last week. Anybody that needs a desk. It's a test we there there they have the. Does anybody WANNA test gets test. That's what president trump said. This comes the trump administration's corona virus task forces gun two days with no press briefings and the World Health Organization has officially classified the Corona virus outbreak as a pandemic for the rest of the hour. We're joined by two guests and Baltimore. Justin Leslie is with us. He's associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Senior author and new study that suggests the median incubation period for the new corona viruses about five days and joining us from Stanford University. Which is now close to students on campus. It's got online learning. Dr Steven Goodman is with US associate dean at Stanford Medical School where he's also a professor of epidemiology and Population Health and medicine. Oh and he's also my brother. He joins us from Stanford University. Yes they are continuing light Johns Hopkins to hold their classes online over concerns about Cova. Nineteen we welcome you both to democracy. Now Steve Let's begin with you. I consider you my lifeline on issues like this and that's why we called you. Why don't we start? By this issue of testing it is absolutely astounding that in countries like north like in countries like South Korea where we hear the test or something like twenty thousand a day in this country. It is believed that there have only been eleven thousand tests over the entire period of this outbreak. How is this possible? What happened? Well I don't know all the details of what happened. But it is clear that they were decisions that were made centrally about what test to use and restrictions on who could do the test that has been changed and finally other laboratories including one at Stanford have finally been authorized to Develop and now deliver their own tests so the original decisions to use a US specific test not the one That was suggested by the. Who which has been used in many many other countries in retrospect obviously was a big mistake and we had trouble manufacturing and distributing a valid test centralized at the CDs. Now this is a critical issue. Right I mean there was a test available. It was the World Health Organization tests the one that countries all over the world are using now but the CDC made a decision not to accept that test. They made their own passed. Sent it out and it was faulty. That's right now. We're having to depend on the many labs around the country and commercial laboratories to develop and offer this test. We are really just gearing up now for that The Stanford test which is the one that's being used regionally also for a variety of medical institutions. I think they This week they were offering between two and three hundred a day. They say that next week they'll be up to about a thousand a day. That obviously is not remotely enough to track the where the epidemic is going But that's what we have right now. Regionally nationally I don't know what the capacity is but as Dr Fao. She said we are way way behind. Well let's bring Professor Justin Wrestler into this conversation from Hopkins from Johns Hopkins. Let's talk about. Why testing is so important. Why is it so important that we know in this country Where the disease is where the outbreak is. Why is it important to know the number I mean this is our ability to have situational awareness about what's going on with the virus where it is how to react. So the most extreme measures that we take to combat the virus essentially potentially closing whole cities down like they did in China Italy. We don't WanNa do those places where there isn't a lot of you know there isn't actually a lot of disease and we don't want to wait till the hospitals are filling up with dead people to do those because then it's too late so we want to react in time and that has to that means we need testing and that means we need to be testing with the right intention. I think there is still some inertia towards trying to test people who've traveled etc with the idea that we're going to go around those people and contain and Tristar contacts and try to find those chains of transmission But I think we maybe need to rethink that with the idea that we really want is situational awareness about what's going on in the community and what's our silent out you know. What silent outbreaks might be happening so that we can respond? Accordingly in our public health measures in terms of people isolating themselves. Dr Steve Goodman if you can talk about what it means not to have a test so you don't know even if you've been exposed to someone who has tested positive and also. Isn't that true that these tests at this point in most cases take days to get results although there are some that are now being developed that simply take hours but what it means for people protecting the community well as Justin said people don't actually know what the threat is. They don't know how many people around them have the disease and they don't know Obviously whether they themselves have the disease if if they have been exposed so it's very very difficult for either public health authorities to calibrate the response properly is Justin Just described or individuals to calibrate their own actions. And and I also want to point out that when we talk about self-isolation or anything that an individual can do the paradigm really has to be not. Just what can I do to protect myself? But what can we each do to protect each other and the act of self isolation is not just individual protection is protecting everybody. You're in contact with but to know how extreme the behavior should be whether you should not go to a park whether you should not go to. The store is very much driven by. Your awareness is just describe it. Situational awareness of how many cases there are often silent cases in your own community in your own neighborhood going to your own stores so this decision. That's personal decision has social and health consequences but without testing. We're flying blind. I WANNA go to the issue of Corona virus. And if you could talk about the different steve or what? The language is corona virus. Cova nine thousand nine hundred for people to understand. Explain that the lexicon there of this disease and also how it compares to the flu. President trump has repeatedly tried to say that the flu kills tens of thousands of people. He said who knew the flu killed. It actually turns out that his grandfather. Friedrich trump died of the flu in this country at a young age but he tried to use it to show you know. Corona virus doesn't even compare so talk about both the language we use and what it means in comparison with the flow. Well Cova nineteen is the name of the disease not the virus specifically And what we're most concerned about is obviously The spread of the disease. Let me talk about The flu and the flu is a big killer and it doesn't affect many people. I think we have roughly in the range of fifteen to twenty million in this season alone in the United States with roughly one in two thousand death rates so in the in the range of fifteen to twenty thousand deaths from the flu so a flu is very very serious. But that represents roughly five to seven percent of the population and the We have and the reason it doesn't represent more is because both we have flu shots and we have years decades of of of of sort of cross reactive immunity built up over people who've been exposed to different Virus strains the difference in this with this virus is to first of all no one is immune so in theory. A hundred percent of the population is susceptible to this virus or very close to it. the second part is the the fatality rate Either for people who present to the medical care system sick enough to go to a doctor or per infection which is something different because not everybody who is infected necessarily goes to a doctor looks to be a fair bit higher than the flu. Maybe on the order of five times maybe even ten times higher than the flu so we have a maybe a much much larger reservoirs susceptible people on the order of ten to twenty times larger and we have a fatality rate. That is between five and ten times larger. So that's why the potential for this even though we have a tiny fraction of the cases and deaths right now why we're taking the extreme measures that we are taking now. All that said a lot of the Taliban rate can be affected by what we do. And that's why we're doing it now. Because the fatality rate is a function both of the age of the people who are infected but also of the capability of the medical care system to take care of them. So we can protect the medical care system that is keep the number of patients coming in at a rate that they can be cared for with adequate ICU beds and ventilators et Cetera. And also healthy Medicare folks. We can keep the That we can keep the totality rate low or least lower than it would have been without that. We're going to break come back to this discussion. We're going to talk about strategies to keep yourself and your family healthy what to say to children both of you. Dr Goodman and Dr. Leslie have children how you're talking to them about. What could be to say the least extremely frightening for them as it is for the whole population and I want to ask Dr. Less learned about the study. He did in China comparing Wuhan and how it dealt with the corona virus with community. Right next door. We're talking to Dr Steven Goodman. He is associate dean of the Stanford Medical School and just an Leslie. Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Associate professor this is democracy. Now we'll be back with them in a minute is The where A Long Day is over by Norrie. Jones this is democracy now the warring piece report. I'm Amy Goodman and I also just want to say I can't say enough about the team of people who are making this broadcast possible as everyone in this country right now is dealing with this pandemic as people are around the world it takes a community and we have an amazing one here and I am ever thankful every single day seven weeks since the first case of the corona virus was reported in the United States. We're spending the hour looking at. How the trump administration not only has failed to account for what is clearly thousands of infections in this country because of ongoing problems with access to testing. But we're talking about what needs to happen next. This is the critical issue. We're broadcasting from New York. The mayor of New York just cleared a state of emergency in the city. He said while they're about a hundred people who have tested positive just in New York City alone next week. He expects it to be a thousand just down the road in new Rochelle. Westchester is the epicenter of the Corona Virus And that came from one person who tested positive and very soon after his wife and two kids tested positive and now there's well over one hundred fifty people. The National Guard are now in new Rochelle. The schools are closed. They WANNA make sure kids get food because many kids all over this country get free lunch at school. What happens when the schools are closed? So we're going to be talking about a lot of issues still with us. Is Dr Steven Goodman? Associate Dean at Stanford Medical School where he's also professor of academia in population health and medicine Trained as a pediatrician. He is also my brother. My lifeline on issues like these. He's joining us from Stanford University and joining us from Baltimore is Justin Leslie Associate Professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Senior author on a new study that suggests the median incubation period for the new corona viruses about five days so Justin Leffler I WANNA start there. What does that mean? Why is that significant that the incubation period is perhaps five days? We've been hearing a lot about ten and fourteen and then I want to ask you about your work in China. So the median incubation period is five days so that means a fifty percent of people are going to develop symptoms within five days of being infected. But it's important to remember that's not necessarily the number we're most concerned with if we're thinking about quarantine active monitoring or self-isolation after a potential exposure. Because you know we don't have the people who are infected to be out there on in the community potentially spreading the virus before they know they have it so what we're more concerned with is what we call the long tail of that and that's where we get to the fact that in our study we showed that about ninety. Eight percent of people develop symptoms by twelve days which suggests that the fourteen day period of quarantine or active monitoring suggested by almost every public health agency around the world is pretty good. I mean some people will get through that But you know but it's pretty good and it's going to capture. The vast majority of people who would develop symptoms will do so during that period. So let me ask you about your work in China. Talk about the study that you just completed comparing Luhan to a neighboring city. Tell us about the outbreak in Wuhan. What happened how it was dealt with and how it was dealt with nearby so just to be clear. Our study was looking at the epidemiology in China. We weren't directly comparing with Wuhan but Wuhan just to talk about it. Had you know is the epicenter of the entire outbreak? They clearly had things get out of control in the beginning and had the shut down the entire city and really a lot of the whole province of WHO bay which they've now had to do in Italy as well so it's an example of both how bad things can get if we're not careful about staying on top of things and very proactive. But it's also an example of the fact that you know massive direct action can sort of squash the epidemic and stop the virus so where we did our work in Shenzhen. There hasn't been a big outbreak and part of that. I think is a proactive. Social distancing measures so the types of things. We're starting to see in the United States. Now GET STOPPING MASS EVENTS. Having people work from home and the like but they also had very intensive surveillance and very intensive contact tracing of cases that came in from. Who Bay province and elsewhere in China and that probably played a big role in why they didn't have an epidemic. So can you talk about the fact that it looks like both in China? It's hard to say we're saying there's good news out of China right now because of this terrible pandemic but the actual good news. That's coming out of China and South Korea as opposed to what we're seeing right now in Italy and now the United States were just beginning understand the scope of the outbreak here. Yes China clearly has been able to contain the disease at least temporarily. I think there's a big question of what happens as they start to dial back. All of the extreme measures they've taken in order to contain the disease and whether. We see a resurgence or whether they're excuse me whether they're able to do that. In a way that more gradually a more gradual dial dial back in a way that prevents the virus from resurging and in the country and Italy. Is You know I think? Italy's taking a similar course to China where it remains to be seen. How effective it is you know it is in Italy. It's very different. Culturally population is different and us were in a different part of the outbreak. And I think the hope is since we're early by doing things proactively canceling the NBA cancelling the NCAA tournament. Everybody working from home closing schools that we can get to a point where we're slowing the spread of this virus without having to have measures as extreme as we're taken in China Dr Steve Goodman if you talk about what's happened in Italy The horrific Turn of events there where the entire country is on lockdown where the medical system is clearly overwhelmed and then talk about the United States and this whole issue of flattening the curve a term. I think a lot of people are just beginning to hear right now. But what do you understand? Took place in Italy Well I haven't I don't have special expertise about Exactly what's going on Italy? But what is very very clear. Is that the The gree of spread and And present a has overwhelmed. The medical care system. That is very clear. So part of what's happening. There is an example of winning when an epidemic goes to its peak and is greater than the medical infrastructure. Can Take care of it and as you may know There have been extremely poignant. pieces Both tweets and and other forms of communication by Italian doctors who literally have with great distress talked about how they had to basically choose life and death for patients for whom they had to choose who to ventilate and who not to because they had a limited number of ventilators. So we don't want to get there in this country so again. It shows that the case fatality rate which ultimately is one of the numbers that that produces the most fear is a is a function not only how many cases or how many serious cases but how much can be absorbed and properly treated by the medical care system. And so that gets right into your second question which is about flattening the curve. The the goal of mitigation efforts now which is to obviously lower the number of cases and spread them out is to keep the number of cases to a level where the medical care system can adequately take care of each one where we have enough personnel where we have an offense leaders. We have enough. Icu beds we have enough beds in the hospital. Take care of everybody. Optimally and the idea of flattening the curve is taking a certain number of cases that would occur in a certain period of time and spreading it out over time for the peak is less and so it occurs over a much longer period of time and hopefully obviously also reducing the number of cases but this match both regionally and nationally between the number of facilities personnel beds and equipment This has to be matched with a number of cases that are in that area. It would be nice to hear from public health officials or national officials how they plan to shift resources. If in fact the medical care capabilities in any particular region is outstripped by the number of cases. But that's what flattening the curve is all about and that's what all of the measures just described by yourself and by Justin are attempting to do and this issue of respirators in the United States of ventilators of the access. Most people they do not want to go to the hospital even to their doctors offices Most people actually will survive this and it's like Flu and for many people it's mild and for children even less so though they can be carriers but this issue of overwhelming. The number of respirators ventilators hospitals around the country. Can you explain that well? Obviously the numbers are limited. I think we have on the order of a million beds and The actual number they're available in any one day about a third of that the number of ICU beds is a fraction of that. And I WANNA make a particular point that this is not just about caring for Cova patients the the number of covert patients entering. The system affects the care of other patients. So the kinds of things that we take for granted in terms of care of any of us for any serious disease is affected by the demand on the medical care system for the care of Kobe patients. So we are not Geared up as a society for the with the surge capacity to handle the number of potential Kovic patients that we would get if we didn't do anything so the kinds of things we're doing now are to keep the numbers below the surge capacity the limited very limited searched Bassetti that we have and again. This is not just a national issue. We can't just count up the number of national beds. We have to look at this regionally. The number of cases in New York City with a number of ICU beds in New York City and have facility to move those cases. If in fact those numbers don't match up Steve Goodman is associate dean at Stanford Medical School. Justin less ler is a professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Where continuing with them. After this break. Awesome the reckoner by radiohead. This is democracy. Now I mean goodman the British government says up to ten thousand people may now be infected by the corona virus on Thursday British Prime Minister. Boris Johnson called on people who are sick to self quarantine. This is the worst public health crisis for regeneration. Some people compare it to seasonal flu. Alas that he's not right owing to the lack of ood immunity. This disease is more dangerous. And it's going to spread further and I must level with you level with the British public. More families. Many more families are going to lose loved ones before that time. British Prime Minister Johnson. He did not close. Schools are banned gatherings of more than five hundred people. Britain's chief medical officer said in a worst case scenario more than eighty percent of Britain would contract the virus with one percent mortality rate that equates to more than half a billion deaths five hundred thousand half a million deaths half a million here in the United States during his press conference in Vermont Thursday Senator Sanders said the federal government would prioritize the care of communities. Who are that. They should prioritize the care of communities. Most vulnerable during the corona virus pandemic the elderly people with disabilities in house. People low income people. Those who are uninsured an unemployed we need also in this economic crisis to place an immediate moratorium on evictions on Foreclosures and on Utility shut offs. So that no one loses their home during this crisis and that everyone has access to clean water electricity heat and air conditioning. We need to construct emergency homeless shelters to make sure that the homeless survivors of domestic violence and college students quarantined off. Campus are able to receive the shelter the health care and the nutrition they need Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. We'll debating in Washington D. C. as opposed to Arizona where they were going to debate and there will not be an audience because of the Corona Virus Dr Steve Goodman Dan Dean at Stanford Medical School and Justin Leisler professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health or with us from Baltimore and from Stanford California Dr Steve Goodman this issue of the poor in the United States and people who are working poor who are without insurance people who are unemployed while everyone says that the corona virus hits everyone which is clearly true there are communities that are particularly vulnerable right now how they be protected well this is an issue for public health officials. Obviously they have to be able to take the same measures that anybody would take to to reduce the spread. The ones we've already talked about however the ability for less wealthy or poor individuals to take time off from work to sequester themselves in their homes To Take care of their children May Be quite different than than others. So we we have to think about it. I think Bernie has it about right. We have to think about this as a social responsibility. Not just a an issue for individual action because people's ability to protect themselves are constrained by their own economic circumstances in their own living circumstances if they're living in very very tight quarters with many people in in in in in communities where other people might be sick it is very very difficult for them to take care of themselves and needless to say if they don't have access to medical care or they're afraid to seek it because of Because they're afraid of the bills. That's another huge problem. Easy for people to get tested and to access care and if they're undocumented and afraid to seek and afraid to seek testing as well absolutely justin less slur if you could also address this issue and then. I'd like to ask you how you're talking to your children so I agree. It's absolutely critical to find ways to protect those populations that are not going to be able to take social distancing measures have more trouble with that potentially have food insecurity if they don't go to school or go to places where there might be mass gatherings and I think you know it's one of those things where we do have an individual responsibility not to just you know. Keep ourselves out of the community but do things to help others. Keep themselves out of the community. You know the government is going to be overwhelmed by this and you know we're not as a country set up to provide services in a crisis the way is maybe needed now and now there's a bill being weighed. The Democrat led. House set to vote on a bill that would grant workers fourteen days of paid sick. Leave up to three months of paid family and medical leave. Unemployment Insurance to furloughed workers includes additional five hundred million dollars to help feed low income pregnant women or mothers with young children who lose their jobs or laid off because of the virus outbreak President Trump said. He did not support the bill. But because we're coming to the end of this conversation as people push hard for the entire community to be protected the that sits individuals but it also brings out the importance of people around the world as a community. Can you talk about what you're saying to your kids professor less ler? Yeah I mean my son is six and his school just got cancelled so I'm trying to explain to them that there's the disease out there. It's scary It's wondering why his dad's working so much but the I'm trying to explain to him that it's important to wash his hands that it's important to you know. Think about what he's doing out there in the community and that maybe he won't be able to go to school do the same things that is that he is usually able to do for fun. I can talk more explicitly to my mother who is in their seventies in high risk who I had to sort of say this is real. Stay home self isolate. Don't don't go out and this is why is that. The children don't tend to children. This is not as fatal for as it is for older people especially over seventy and eighty right. I mean and Wuhan at last report I saw from Honda was in detail out of out of thousand deaths over a thousand deaths. Only one was in people somebody under twenty years of age so it's pretty mild and children do not seem to be at risk even more so than the flu where we see children get sick and potentially die occasionally in the youngest age. That doesn't seem to be happening right now for the current virus and but we do not know we know they can get infected and we do not know whether or not they can pass it on so you know keeping children Critical part of our more imperilled presumably. We don't know for sure And Steve What you tell your kids my nieces and nephew who are bit older but also as so many people in this country afraid right now. So what's interesting is that my kids are both in college actually here at Stanford and they're more worried for us. I don't have to tell them everything anything they read. They're smart and they're much more concerned about their threat to us than Than than anything else. So they're taking the steps they need to take to prevent us from getting sick. And it's a very interesting reversal of generational roles. Perhaps a premonition of the future but I think this is a responsibility that many young people feel not just protect themselves because they themselves are not that worried but they are definitely worried about the older generation the same way that Justin is concerned about his mom and of course Gerald Starter just had a baby here in New York in the midst of this pandemic indeed. Yes and she is Naturally self isolating but Is is being extremely careful about her own exposure and needless say their new child. Well I WANNA thank you both for being with us Dr Steven Goodman Associate Dean at Stanford Medical School where he's also professor epidemiology and public health and medicine and also my brother and just in less ler says she professor Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. We also want to welcome to the world. Andre Sorry Marino Camarena congratulations to eagerly and Drian. That does it for our show. Everyone wash your hands be safe. I'm Amy Goodman an enormous. Thank you to the whole team. That may democracy now happened today.
Ep. 396 Dr. Anthony Fauci
"And now from University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN audio. The axe files with your host David Axelrod. Dr, Tony Found, you may not have been universally known to Americans before the COVID, nineteen virus hit, but he sure as a household name now the nation's top infectious disease fighters become a valued and trusted source for vital information about the virus, but also a political target, sometimes even from the White House, but Fowler, who I got to know in my years in Washington also has an amazing, personal and professional stored. That is not as well known so I sat down with him today, not just talk about the virus, but about his life and his life's work. Here's that conversation. Dr Faustus. It's great to see you again. I'm honored that you're joining us, I thought you'd be in your backyard throwing pitches right now. Getting, ready to throw the first pitch out at the opening of the major league season tonight. Yeah, the pressures on David. I'm getting a lot of emails with people telling me don't bounce it. Don't do this. Don't do that a lot of pressure. Let me tell you when Barack Obama was a senator. He was invited to throw the first pitch at at the American. League championships, which were on the south side and a white sox game and he snuck away and asked the cubs if he could throw from the mound at Wrigley Field, which was empty for just this reason he didn't. WanNa bounce the pitch, and he ended up throwing a Parabola, but that was better than. That was better than than bounce. Hey, you know there's so much to ask you about the story. That is consuming us right now. Which is the virus? But before we do you become such a presence in all of this? Probably more than you'd like, but people don't know all that much about you and your story and I want to spend some time on that I if we could before we get to cove it nineteen, you're from an immigrant family both your parents from Italy my grandparents. My grandparents I met. I met your grandparents and your dad was a pharmacist. Correct correct and you grew up above the family store as Everybody worked there the yeah. My sister and I worked behind the counter and. Through my elementary school, even high school years for a bit I delivered prescriptions on my Schwinn Bicycle. To the back then you could call up the pharmacy and say could you delivered to the House and you actually had some young young boy like me. Delivering the prescriptions, my first job was at delivering for the first. Avenue Pharmacy in Manhattan saw. I had that GIG. There is something about this immigrant drive. Though you're you're. You're an indefatigable person. Everybody notices your work habits. Those obviously were formed back, then, yeah! Yeah I think so uh. David my my family, my father I can remember and my mother, but my father particularly was very much involved in in in as a pharmacist and being a public servant. You know back then the pharmacist. They'd call him. DOC would be the psychiatrist Dr a friend, the confidant of people in the neighborhood who didn't have access to be able to sit down and talk to somebody who's sympathic with their physical and mental illness, and that was kind of ingrained in me at the time, that I was a young boy, and that's kind of A. Permeated the things that I've done over the throughout my school years, and then in my deciding to become a physician, and even up to the things that I'm doing today, so I think it does I think you correct it does date back to a young boy? Because not only were you doing the the work at the pharmacy? But you are a student and to the shock of many you are all to an ace athlete. And and more than that the point, guard and captain of your. High School Basketball team indeed now I know that basketball players taller now, but still a five foot seven point guard highschool pointer. Be Pretty Feisty back. I was actually. I. As I always joke around. My father is even she's about an inch and a half. Or more shorter than I am. And he was when he went to the UTAH. School in the Benson. Her section of Brooklyn was the New York. City public school athletic. Champion the two twenty four forty yard dash. He was very good, so I inherited things from David, I inherited his speed. Unfortunately. I inherited his height. And, so it may, it made up vets better than slow in short. WHO, exactly should be grateful, so I compensated for my lack of height and being really a very fast point guard you also just on the feistiness scale were a new, York Yankees Fan as a kid in Brooklyn in the nineteen fifties. When that rivalry was ferocious, it was like how'd you? How'd you get away with that I? Why were you a Yankees Fan? And how'd you get away with that? You know I think I was because my father. Who was born in Manhattan in Little Italy was in New York Yankee Fan and when I was a very young boy, he took me a couple of times the Yankee Stadium. When Joe Dimaggio was playing in his last couple of years time, and that was magical for me to see Joe de playing in. It's just incredible so growing up in Brooklyn I think people don't fully appreciate that there a substantial proportion of Brooklyn Heights who he actually Yankee fans, and that was kind of the thing that we did as kids seven eight nine years old. We'd be arguing forever. Who is better, Mickey Mantle or Dukes? Snyder Roy Campanella or Yogi Berra keeping. Phil Rizzuto. Really Fun. It was really fun. You went to a Jesuit high school commute to Manhattan. I'm sure at some length every day. Yeah was over an hour to get to school. Yeah, and and you went to Jesuit College Holy Cross ahead of the jesuits shape you. David I think substantially because I had mentioned that this idea of. Of Public Service, and not worrying about monetary financial material, things was kind of ingrained in me as as as as a child, the Jesuit Spirit is service for others, and it is. A very. Important theme? That you learned just by the natural s most is. Being in that environment it was it was really I think a very important formative. It component of my life, not only the idea of service for others, but the the the academic rigor. And the scientific adheres to scientific principles. That they instilled in you even when you were thirteen year old kid going into your first day in high school. You got that impression that you know the thing I learned I often talk about it when I when I speak is the idea of precision of thought an economy of expression. Know know exactly what you're talking about. Say It in his few words as possible. There's Jesuit pope now. Are you still a practicing Catholic? Is that still something that not not really I'm I'm more of just as I. often say more of a humanist than someone who is wedded to a formal. Oganization I mean I still identify myself as Catholic for sure. But but I can I'm less concerned about the organization of the Catholic Church Than I. Am about the principles that I learned from from group like the JESUITS. He's an inspiring figure you must see. Jed Jesuit. In Him. They train well. You always sit. You said you always knew you wanted to be a doctor. At. What age did you come to that realization? I think it was. Probably. It was when I realized that I wasn't going to make it as a basketball player. I think I think that was it I figured I gotta the topped out at five seven. You said I feel like I could be a great doctor. That's exactly right, so you know what it was. David I was always very interested, and it was kindled in me in high school. Because a lot of the Jesuit training as classics, Greek Latin Romance Language a bit of philosophy and I was always very attracted to the humanistic aspect of education, thinking about history and the classics. But I also found out in highschool probably my junior year that I liked science and was very good. At it so I think it. What is the best way to combine this issue of classics? Humanity understanding civilizations at the same time as doing something that scientific and the perfect. Into twenty of that to me was to be a physician. So as soon as I realized that to me, it was an open. Shut case that that's what I wanted to do. And as you mentioned earlier, dad as a pharmacist was sort of a demi physician you for the people in the neighborhood you went off to Holy Cross and in the summers you were on a construction crew. And one of the places that you worked on as a construction worker was the new library at the Cornell Medical College and you had an encounter there that I've I've read about when you slipped into the auditorium there in a break and just was taking it all in an a security guy came up to you and you guys. Had this really kind of meaningful exchange. Yeah, it was because at that point I was I, had applied to, and was getting ready had not been accepted yet, but I wanted to go to Cornell medical school all the time. That was my top first choice, so I walked into the hallway. just to look around 'cause I was. Awestruck by by the school that I wanted to go to, and I happened to be working on the construction gang that was building the library and I was really caked up with con. I was I was. It was a called a mason ten that which means you're the assistant to the bricklayer, so you get what you get all kinds of. Concrete and cement olo viewer. I was a mess. To see you walk in I'm sure. Eighty seven. So I had a hard helmet on had my jeans on and I had my boots. I walked in and the guy came over to me. Says Listen Sunny. Call me Sir is. Listen Sunny your old dirty, so would you please get out of the hallway and I looked at him with a straight face, and he said you know Sir I was very polite. Him a said you know sir, you know one of these days I'm going to be a student in the school. And he looked at me with a straight face, and he says yeah, and one of these days I'm going to be police commission. What are yours, right? That you you. You excelled there. You finished first in your class there, but you're linking up with. The NIH was not really entirely voluntary. There were reasons you went to the NIH, that had more to do with the history of the time that your own desire to be involved there. Yeah, no, it was it was. It was the Vietnam War and we all got drafted automatically. In fact, the entire class was drafted as I was, and in my senior year a recruiter. He was major in the US Marine. Corps, and he came into our class and you can tell how old I am. Because in the class there were eighty four men and two women. And he looked up at us, and he said you know. at the end of this year. Every one of you accept the two young women in the back there. are going to either be in the army. The Air Force the Navy or the Public Health Service, so just decide what you WanNa do give a priority and see we go so I was interested in infectious diseases. And I knew that the two places infectious diseases was the NIH and the CDC Down Public Health Service, I Navy Second Army Third, and then at force, as it turned out in my application to the to the NIH I was accepted, so that served as my military term for three I. I, it was a three year commitment that data make. Why were you interested in infectious diseases? Why did that attract? You know there's something about David that it's it's very. definitive you know infectious diseases. They either kill you or you get better from them, and there is a very good chance that you can cure them. And or prevent them with a vaccine, so there was something Kinda neat about that. That I wanted to get involved with a serious disease, not a disease that was not particularly threatening. And when you look at the history of serious diseases, malaria tuberculosis HIV which hadn't even occurred yet. When I decided to go into infectious diseases, it just was a natural fit to me. You don't WanNa thinks that interest me about you. Is that and you know my wife? Susan is very deeply involved in the in epilepsy research because our daughter. Lauren has had a terrible time with epilepsy and one of the things that we noticed when we began that work was. How disengaged researchers sometimes are from patients? But you've throughout your whole career including to this day, you've been both a clinician. And a research scientist by your own insistence. Why is that because that's my identity David? I mean of all the things that I've done in different arenas since then my primary identity. That I feel very comfortable in that skin is as a physician. And my training and my perspective. As a physician influences everything I do I mean right now. You know we're in the middle of very serious pandemic outbreak. There are real people who are getting sick. And there are real people who are dying and an and unless you can really. Feel, that you know in your instinct. all of your physician instincts. It really makes you look upon the outbreak in a different way. It was certainly that way with HIV. My entire career has been influenced over the last. Almost forty years thirty nine years with HIV. And HIV in the beginning, and even to this point I was knee deep, and taking care of very very sick patients, which is something that I really value was a life experience. We're GONNA take a short break and we'll be right back with more of the X. Files. America's getting back to work in this new economy. Your Business needs every advantage to succeed. You need to be smart and smart. Companies run on the world's number. 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In it spoke about this mysterious form of pneumonia that had had afflicted five gay men. Why did that draw your attention? How did you know at that moment because you start writing about how this will explode? How did you know at that moment? That HIV AIDS was going to be the scourge that turned out to be you know David at that moment. Interestingly I did not when I saw the five patients, the five young men from Los Angeles who developed assistance pneumonia, which you only see in immunosuppressed patients I I was puzzled. I thought it was a fluke. Fluke, like how come curiously all five men, all gay, who otherwise well and I thought it was possibly some drug, or whatever was and I had this inkling that maybe it was something else one month later, the first report was in June of Nineteen eighty-one one month later in July. Of Nineteen, eighty one, a second report came out this time of twenty three men curiously all game in from La, San Francisco and New York City who presented with these strange disease of copy. She's our Komura missus pneumonia. That was the point David, or I describe it very accurately. That I got goosebumps because they said Oh my God, this is a new disease, and it's an infectious disease because there's no way that twenty three gay men have gotten whatever it is, this infection is that's destroying their immune system, unless it was in infectious disease, and almost certainly it was sexually transmitted 'cause that was the beginning of the sexual revolution among gay men, and it was at that point. That I made a critical in life changing decision. I would stop when I was doing at which was quite successful a- career. You know for the previous eight years at the NIH and devote all of my energy. To looking into this bizarre new disease, and that's what I did much to the dismay of my mentors who thought I was throwing away a promising career on a disease that would soon just go away because it was just a curiosity, when obviously it was not let me ask you about the difference in times that we're talking almost forty years ago. Was it hard to get people to focus on the importance of this in the severity of it, because it appeared at first to be a disease at only afflicted gay people gay man. Absolutely there's no doubt about it. And in fact, it was a group that at the time less so now, thank goodness, but more so then. That would really disenfranchised and was stigmatized, and then when it became clear. That also injection drug users and commercial sex workers were getting infected. It was people were running away from this disease of the disenfranchised. That was really unfortunate, because at that time. What we were seeing was the tip of the iceberg. In only when we had a diagnostic test that we know how many people were infected in how prevalent this was an exploding throughout the world. It was unfortunate because. You know Ronald Reagan was president at the time. You know a man who so many people myself included respected for many of the good things that he did really did not use the bully pulpit of the presidency adequately off to inform people of this emerging threat, despite the fact that people like myself. was sounding the along in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty two. It just didn't happen so i. think that's something that is an unfortunate because it was a it seemed like a gay is a gay disease visit gay man disease and they didn't even want to speak about it in fact unfortunately. He didn't mention the word AIDS until his second term, and it was only because of the insistence of the goading of friend Elizabeth Taylor. Did he ever do that? Otherwise I'm not sure we would have obviously as you say you've you made that? Your signature caused your mission. You ultimately won the medal of freedom for the work you did and have done on HIV age. Continue to do, but the politics of that. That moment were in their own way almost as complex as the politics that you're facing right now. You became you know right now, you're you're a target. We'll talk about that a little bit later, but back then you became a target of the gay community. They were angry at you because there were experimental drugs that you weren't at liberty to release on a large scale are actually picketers. You were picketed your called. A Murderer! Tell me about that period. That was tough David, and what it was that since so many people in the scientific community and the regulatory community, and certainly the highest levels of government. Did Not want to pay attention to this emerging outbreak I as a scientist was becoming visible in wanting to do something about this. You know trying to develop drugs trying to find out how one can stop this surging of infection so I was A. Viable government figure, even though I was doing things that ultimately was for the good of the people at risk, and who were infected, but since I was the only visible government of figure is speaking out I, became a target. You know an inadvertent target and that was really an amazing experience, because it ultimately turned out to be a good news story, because although I was trashed. Particularly iconic figures like Larry Kramer came and called me a murderer. You know. He was a very famous writer at the time and became a really good friend that I was. You know very very much Attacked mostly by the Gay Community Act up New York. And what I did was finally I said boy. These these young men are probably suffering a lot. Otherwise they wouldn't be so iconoclastic and so theatrical about this. They wanted to gain attention to say. Listen to us. We need to be part of the planning of what's happening to us. We need better access to clinical trials. We needed to have something that was user friendly for us. So I made a decision fact, it was sort of sitting right in this room than I am right now. When they came demonstrated outside the window, right out here, literally five feet from me. That I said you know rather than. Than just put them apart or get them arrested, which the police were getting ready to do. I said. Why don't they come up to my office here and talk about it? Because what they were saying was making sense that were very theatrical about it, but I said if I were a young gay man, either infected or being anxious about it, I would be doing exactly the same thing that those guys were doing mostly guys, but some women out there. I would be doing exactly the same thing, so that began the bonding that is. Lasted strengthen to this day. With the activists community I said before we start rolling, you've been in that town for a long time and doesn't survive in that town for a long time without at least some innate political instincts that was also a wise thing to do as a humane thing to do a wise thing to do. You helped spearhead President Bushes, pep far plant president's emergency plan for AIDS relief, which ended up saving tens of millions. Millions of lives of people in in Africa were HIV AIDS was rampant I. Ask you about this in the context of today's debate, because there is an inward turning in our country about things like global health initiatives and investing in the health of other countries and other people make the case for global health initiatives, and why it's important for America be as active as you were and have been in dealing with HIV. Well there! There are two broad fundamental reasons why we need to do that. I mean right now. We live in a global community. Given, the ease of travel given the international. A. Arrangements that made the international commitments that are made. So you can't function very well unless you realize that you're part of an international community, and what happens someplace else. Particularly when you're dealing with my discipline of infectious diseases, it is unquestionable, and without a doubt that ultimately going to influence you test assess what's going on right now with Cova. So that's clear. The other thing is i. think a sense of responsibility. That we as a rich nation have as an important component of the global community and this is something. That President George W Bush. absolutely realized so when he sent me. To Africa to determine the feasibility. Of doing a transforming program, because this was two thousand two, when he sent me and the game changing drug regimen. Started in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety six, so for six years. It was clear that people were otherwise dying. In developed world now had access to drugs. That essentially gave them the possibility of almost a normal lifespan. So in his own words, he told me and colleagues he said you know as a rich nation. We have a moral responsibility. To make sure that people don't suffer and die merely because of where they were born, and the circumstances where they are so since we've developed an have available these life saving drugs. Let's figure out a way that we could bring treatment, prevention and care HIV to people in the developing world particularly in sub Saharan Africa. And with that we put together. The pet for program, but it was the president who really am said that and I should ever lasting credit. The great accomplishments of his time as president in that context and I don't WanNA steer you into deep water. I'd love to see you. Stay in your job here. We kind of need you, but the World Health Organization obviously they. There were questions about how they handled the the beginning of this. But what is the value of the World Health Organization and I presume you? Believe America should stay active in the World Health Organization Yeah. I mean the World Health Organization as it exists now I think everybody realizes is imperfect. Organization is made some mistakes in the past. It's done some things that really have not been optimal. Goebel held, but the world does need a global health organization because we need some central body that would help coordinate a response because as you mentioned. Just a moment ago, David we we. We live in a global community and we interact so much every single day that what impacts one part of the globe almost certainly to greater extent, greater or lesser degree impacts another part, so the optimal thing in my mind is to improve it. Make it better. Make it much stronger. So that the world can benefit from something that I believe we all need, even though they've made mistakes and they are not a perfect organization. Have you expressed your view on this to the president? Not specifically and explicitly to him, but my thoughts are pretty well understood at the level of the white. House, he is a faithful listener. The X. files so now. He'll know directly from you. How you feel about this over the course of your long tenure there. At Nih, you battled a whole range of epidemics, pandemics SARS the H, one N, one swine flu, this one you and I met back in two thousand nine mayors Ebola Zeka. You've been warning for a long time about the possibility of a large scale respiratory pandemic like the flu of nineteen eighteen. Why are we so unprepared for it. That's a good question. David because in some respects, although it seems strange, given the difficult time, we're going through right now. We weren't that poorly prepared as a matter of fact. At the time when when you remember where we were doing pandemic preparedness plans. During the George W Bush and Obama Administration we paying considerable attention to how we would respond to an emerging infection and fact, the Johns Hopkins Institution when they judged. All, the different countries as to how prepared they were pandemic outbreak. They voted that united. States was better prepared than anybody even in that context. When you have something as extraordinary as this outbreak that has occurred now which as you mentioned quite correctly as historic? It's the worst thing that we've experienced since nineteen eighteen that any kind of preparedness. You know when you think about. It likely is not going to be completely adequate. So. We're. We're hopefully getting better at it. And I hope that this experience as bad as it is in the fact that it isn't even over. Will trigger us to realize that they will be next time. So we've gotTA. Use Lessons learned now to even better prepared. Than we were this time because we were reasonably well prepared. We would just overcome by the magnitude of this, and how it exploded on us in a period from nothing at the end of December, two global pandemic, just a couple of months later. That is really unprecedent, although you obviously feared this because you convened a group right away to talk about finding a vaccine, right literally in the middle of. A, you were convening a group at Nih, your vaccine unit and you basically said throw everything at it right so even then before we had a known case here, you had this fear. Why'd you have this fear well? As when people would ask me David over the decades. What's your worst fear? What's your worst nightmare? In and I would always say consistently. You know it would be virus that would jump species from an animal reservoir that we've never seen before. It would be a respiratory virus, and that would have two major characteristics. It would spread in a very very efficient manner. and to it would have a substantial degree of morbidity and mortality. You know over the years we've seen versions of one or the other of those two characteristics, but never both at least not in our lifetime. And for example remember when the bird flu threaten jump from chicken to human. The mortality of that was substantial thirty to forty percent, but it was very inefficient in going from human to human in fact that Bailey did that. And then other circumstances in two, thousand and nine. You were there for that I. Remember we. You are meeting in the White House. You were there then where we had this pandemic flu of two thousand and Nine H. One n one. The bad news is that it's spread very efficiently from human to human, but the good news is, that was somewhat of a wimpy virus. It did not really have a great degree of morbidity mortality, so we escaped the bullet today. With covid nineteen, this is the worst nightmare 'cause we have a virus that's spectacularly efficient in going from human to human. And he does have a significant degree of morbidity mortality, particularly in a subset of people who have underlying condition so as soon as I saw that possibility. I said well. We better get a vaccine. We'd better start fast, and we started literally a few days after. The VAT virus was identified by the Chinese just parenthetically back. I remember we did have a meeting at the white, house about the H, one n one flu, but after an initial press conference there every briefing was held over the C. D. C.. And of you remember that Oh i, do very well. Why would we be better served if health professionals just brief the country on a daily basis? David there are different models that you follow for how you handle that. Certainly the one that you mentioned is is a time honored. Model of how you get information out, so I would have to agree with you that the best way to do that would have health professionals being doing the briefing. Are you worried? Have we suffered for the inconsistency of information that the public spaghetti you know have to be honest with you I think a little bit, but but I I'm hoping we're going to recover from that because right now as you and I speak, it really is a bit of a change in that now. at at the level of how we're handling a Kobe nineteen more of. The independence of the health worker, not the health workers, but the public health officials speaking about it. I think that's going to be volved. You shocked everybody a few weeks ago. When you went before, Congress and you said we could see one hundred thousand cases a day. We had seventy one thousand yesterday. Are we headed in the direction of one hundred thousand cases? You know I hope not David. I mean it's certainly conceivable that will happen. I believe. Believe that the kinds of things that we're doing would mitigate against that I. Don't WanNa see that obviously, but you know remember. We plateaued at an unacceptably high level. We went way up and then came down at around twenty thousand cases a day, and we just was stuck there for weeks and weeks, and so finally we had the resurgence in the southern states where we went up to as you said thirty, forty, fifty, sixty and most recently seventy. If you look at the other countries in the world, particularly the European Union. They went up to the peak, and they came back down to a real baseline where they were having tens and hundreds of Cases Day, not tens of thousands of cases a day, so we really need to do better than that, and that's what I'm looking forward to finally get that curve down a baseline so why Dr Voucher wide to the European Union. Have better results. Why does Korea for example another a their sixth of our size? Size or something in terms of population, but they've had three hundred deaths were north of one hundred forty three thousand deaths now, why of these countries had better success? What have they done that? We haven't done and that we have to do now. Well. I think it's a complexity of reasons, David I. Don't think it's something that could you know uni-dimensional? You could explain your role in in one sentence, but some things are clear. And what is clear that when the world shut down, which is the only way to prevent the virus from going to prison? The person is physical separation. When when the European Union shut down, they shut down about ninety five percent of their society shutdown. Even though we shut down as it were, we shut down only about fifty percent of the country, so we never really hit it with a hammer. Opposed to what they did in Europe and that I think that's come back to haunt us a bit because we never got to the point where we could bring it right down to the baseline, and then the other I think has to do with the good news bad news about the American persona as I call it. You know a, don't tell me what to do, you know. Know, I'm an independent, the spirit that was the thing that formed our country about authorities is okay, but don't push me with authority of not liking to listen to things like you really should be wearing a mask. You really should be physically separating. You really should be not going into crowds. We don't do that as well as some of the other countries do and hopefully now. that. We're in a surge that we realize that we're all in this together. And we all have to contribute to really getting our arms around this and really suppressing that level down this the the states obviously that have our surgeon, our states that opened early and haven't been really rigorous about mask wearing that you think there should be a national standard. Should there be national rules about this? You know I think this should be a national unanimity and that this is highly highly recommend that I know there is. There are reasons although I'm not so sure I agree with them, but there were reasons against mandating because. If you mandate then you have to enforce, and then you get into a lot of complications of how you're going to enforce it would I'd love to see is a. A uniform, Cole of all right everybody we absolutely should and must wear masks because we know that the countries that have done that have done very very well, and that's the reason why. I'm actually pleased to see that just yesterday. The president came out and said I think we should be wearing masks. I think that was a big step forward would have been helpful to come forward earlier. I mean obviously. Yes, but but I'm I'm glad of what we're seeing now. We're going to take a short break and we'll be right back with more of the X. Files. Are you thinking of flying deciding if you should bring your family on a plane, just how safe visit to fly right now in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic I'm poppy harlow and in a special bonus episode of CNN's boss Files Delta Airlines CEO and bastion joins me to talk about the state of the airline industry in a remarkably candid conversation. He calls for federal. Mass mandate any tells me why he's refusing to sell middle seats, and we talk a lot about race and diversity. And he says he needs to do much more to help advanced black employees at Delta. Be Listen, subscribe to boss files and listen to the episode today. Now back to the show. The flip side of this is and this is why you've become a bit of target again. Tens of millions of Americans have lost their jobs. Many people have lost their businesses because of these closure, so you can understand their anguish and anger about this that that is a different kind of that. People are feeling and I guess the fundamental point is that if we're back in the barrel again that that's not gonNA help their jobs in businesses, either now now you make a very good point I've seen aside is society. That I, guess is understandable, but it's a little bit disturbing. You know back in the day of HIV. When I was being criticized with some hate mail, it was more in people calling me a gay lover, and what the Hell you wasted a lot of time on that. I mean things that you would just. You Know Push Assad is being stupid. People saying stupid things. It's really a magnitude different now. Chris the amount of of anger I mean as much as people. You know inappropriately I think you know. Make me somewhat of a hero which Amata hero. I'm just doing my job. There are people who get really angry. at thinking that I'm interfering with the alive because I'm pushing public health agenda. I mean the kind of not only hate mail, but actually serious threats against me, not a not good. I. Don't really see how society does that. But yeah. How how do you process that? You know it's tough? I mean it's tough. I mean serious threats against me. I mean against my family, a my daughters, my wife I mean really. Is this the United States of America, but it's real it now Israel. Have you had to take on security measures? Yes, on yes. Yes, I've been getting security. Surfaces in other ways you saw probably the other day that there's a move among some Republicans in Congress to oust Liz Channel from the leadership of the Republican caucus because she in part because she defended you right I mean isn't that Weird David? I mean it just doesn't make any sense. That, we're having I mean I guess it's just a reflection of the divisiveness. In our society at the political level, I mean, this is a public health issue and what we're talking about a fundamental principles of public health. And I don't see how people can have animosity to that. I could understand very well. That you have to be careful because of the of the negative consequences of things like shutting down. That's understandable, and which is the reason why we all try to open up America again in a way that is safe that we can do it in a measured fashion, but the hostility against public health issues is is is difficult, not only understand but difficult to even process. Your daughter Megan is a schoolteacher. Yes, do you feel comfortable with her? Going back into the classroom in the fall, yeah. Well you know I I've discussed this with her. She's very conscientious about the safety of the children. She's responsible for as well as our own safety. But my my feeling is that if you look at the broad umbrella. The default position David should be that. We should try as best as possible to get the children back to school that should be the default because of the negative downstream ripple effect, negative consequences of keeping them out of sure for their own psychological welfare. That's a given, but having said that we to pay attention primarily to the safety and the health of the children and of the teachers and they're gonNA. GonNa. Be some parts of the country with his no problem at all. Because the level of infection is so low, that does very little risk bringing the children back to school, but in those areas that are the hot areas with. There's a lot of infection going on. Then you better take a close look of what can we do to safeguard the health and the welfare of the children that could be. Modifying how you do it hybrid part online part in school separating the classes by day's morning afternoon, physical separation wearing masks. There's a lot of things that you can do as long as you make sure that you're very sensitive to the safety and the welfare of the children. So when my daughter is down now in New Orleans via leaning towards given the activity down there doing online at least right now to see what's going on what their ultimate decision is going to be as you get into the beginning of the school year I. Don't know, but there are a number of versions. President keep stressing that young people are are largely impervious to this, but that is not completely true for one thing, but they also can be spreaders. In a really dangerous way, can't they? Yeah I, mean you look at the statistics? Young People Cleared the when they get infected, they have less of a chance of getting a serious outcome. But there are significant number of examples. Of, young people you know mostly millennials, but even children less so with children, but but young people that when they do get infected, they do get a series outcome, even though it's, it's a minority of them. The issue that I have that's important, is that? Since, so many people twenty to forty percents who get infected have no symptoms at all. Young people and these are particularly young people are old enough to go to a bar They feel if they get infected. That in fact, there's no consequence. They say it's unlikely I'm going to get sick so I'm just gonNA worry about myself what they're failing to realize and this is probably an innocent failure to realize not pointing any blame is that when they get infected or don't do anything to prevent themselves from getting infected, they are inadvertently propagating the pandemic. They are becoming part of this phenomenon of a pin them Iq and even though they may not get sick. They may not have any symptoms. It is highly likely that they will infect someone. Who will then infect someone who then be available person who suffer greatly from getting infected, so you've gotta try and and I know it's difficult to get that message across that when you get young people particularly those who congregated bars and those who are going in crowds and don't wear masks. That you part of the problem if you do that, even though you think that you are in a vacuum, if you get infected, so you want to appeal to the societal responsibility of young people to help us get out of this difficult situation that we're in with this global pandemic. I want to ask you about testing in the vaccine testing. It's been stressed from the beginning, but we have a situation now reported all over the country where people are getting tests, and they're waiting seven days ten days sometimes two weeks to get their results. What is the point of testing if you can't? Results in proximity to when you take the test. David that's a very important issue I can say we are doing much much better now today as you and I speak than we were months ago with regarding testing, and we're going to be doing better as we go forward as more testing available, but you make a very important point particularly when there are surges in great demand on testing. We are not doing as well as we could do because. Theoretically say we have a lot of tests, but when you get on the phone and call up the people in the trenches, they telling us exactly what you just said that under certain circumstances, you have to wait five six seven days to get the results of the test, and that obviates the actual underlying reason of the test exactly because if you don't know what the result these altars. Twenty four hours later than contact tracing becomes irrelevant, because what good is contact tracing? If the person has been exposing people for the last five to seven days, so we need to correct that. How do we correct? We need to marshal more resources. We do I. Mean it's got to be more resources. BE GOTTA be getting the people on the ground. Enough of them trained well enough to be able to do it and enough test to be able to carry it out. You know like I said. We're doing better than we were, but we've. We've got to do even better. There is a move in Congress to devote more resources to that the White House opposed it I presume over your objection. Well, you know obviously I've been been been calling for increased testing so anything that goes against that obviously is not something that I would be happy with on the vaccine. That's one thing that people seem to agree has gone well. This operation warp speed. It's related to the effort that you began in your office. I spoke to a tool Gandhi a few weeks ago. Here on on this. This podcast and he. He noted that this was a success. He gave you a lot of credit for it, but he said realistically, even if a vaccine is found, that is safe by the end of this year that it's probably a two year proposition from when the started to really permeate the public, if you are successful in finding a vaccine by the end of this year, when do you think it's realistic to expect that we could return to some semblance of normalcy where everything's open were not wearing masks? We don't have the concerns that. that. We have today. You know I think it's going to be a gradual process David but I think your your timetable that you just mentioned is close to being correct the projection and again there's never a guarantee with successive vaccines, but I'm cautiously optimistic that we will be successful that we would have a vaccine by the end of this year, the beginning of twenty twenty one the good news that's different from previous vaccine efforts, is that the companies on the basis of a lot of investment on the part of the federal government. We're going to be starting to make those vaccines much earlier than they normally were taking a chance that the vaccine would be effective, so they're proceeding at risk. The risk is not to safety. The risk is not the scientific integrity. The risk is too money that if it's unsuccessful, YOU'RE GONNA lose a lot of money. Although they're getting a lot of money to do this until you bet I mean the risk is to the federal government's money. Not to their money, right? He sure right, so because what will happen is that we will then have. We will have doses available sooner than we normally would. The companies are telling us and I it weaken. I hope we believe them but I'm I'm I'm putting some faith in it. That with they would do is that they would have doses to the tunes of tens of millions early in the year and up to hundreds of millions as we get well into twenty twenty one and some companies say that, even after a while you could get as many as a billion doses, so the timetable you suggested of getting into twenty twenty one well into the year then I can think with a successful vaccine if we could vaccinate the overwhelming majority of the population, we could start talking about real normality again, but it is going to be A. A gradual process. You really talking about a year from now. Yeah, yeah, absolutely! Yeah on the vaccine. You hear a lot of people say I mean this is no one's ever done. What you guys are doing now. The speed at which this is being done. There are safety concerns that people have about this. Why should people feel secure in taking this vaccine? When it's being produced at such a rapid rate as compared to the normal protocol that you apply Yeah so David that's a great question and I can understand the skepticism on the part of people. But but the speed is not at the sacrifice of safety issues. The speed is the technologies that we have now. That would make going into a clinical trial. Instead of waiting a year we did it within a period of a month or two as the first time saver, the other is is that taking a chance of investing in pre preparations that you would normally wait until you had an answer to questionable one before you went to question number two and taking that risk, which is mostly a financial risk cuts off a lot of time, the regulatory aspects. The FDA has been extremely good in getting things through. Without compromising safety that bureaucratically would have taken five ten times as long to do that doing it in a real time basis together the answer so understandably people are concerned. But safety is not being compromised and are these companies that are involved. Are they getting any special exemption from liability for for doing this? is nothing that we are doing other than what's already in place about what happens in a vaccine trial. If someone gets injured, the compensation arrangements that are being made, but there's nothing specific right now that we're doing any different than with other vaccines that have been developed. Before we go, I, just I do have to ask you just a little bit about the president and I WANNA put in different in the context of your long experience. You've worked with a series of presidents on a series of crises and I'm wondering how the. has differed from President to President. Were you in close contact with President Bush for example on on HIV Y-, AIDS, and and did you speak with President Obama on a regular basis about H, one n, one house that worked you know David. A presidencies and its relationship to what I'm interested in public health. And Infectious Diseases. And the extent to which I get involved with the president really depends on circumstances that are beyond my control, and the control of the president depends on what's going on, so go back and just go through I. Mean I had modest. Not much, but but enough to be able to be familiar with him with President Reagan George H W Bush and I were friends I mean. I had a relationship that he just took to me when he was vice president, and we had a good relationship and I think that helps spur the support that we had early on. He maintained contact with me. You know almost right up until the time that he passed away and which was wonderful for me. Know and then when we had President Clinton, he very involved. I was not as much involved with Kim on day by day basis, because there was nothing new during his presidency that had me there that change when we got the George W Bush, because that's when we did pep far and the anthrax attacks, so I spent a lot of time with Kim with Vice Cheney in preparing the country for outbreaks that we felt we're going to be deliberate. My biggest interaction with him was developing. Pep Fall, which was as you said his signature. When we got with President, Obama you know it was very interesting because we had both the pandemic flu. And we had Ebola yes, and you remember. That when we were in the middle of Bola, you know I was down in the sit room with with President Obama a couple of times a week. It was because I. Remember him telling me almost facetiously. Tony Children at the border I got a war going on, and I'm spending three days a week with you guys. About a disease in Africa what's wrong with that picture, but was something that I really did have the opportunity to deal with him, and now with Cove Nineteen, obviously as you know earlier on particularly when we were dealing on the coronavirus task force a meet with the vice president very frequently like almost every day. If I'm not there physically am speaking to him and early on, we had a lot of interaction with with. President, trump you know particularly during the time we giving frequent press conferences. That's a little bit less so now, but not completely discontinued. When was the last time you spoke with them either yesterday or the day before? Yeah I spoke to him by phone. And how substantive are these conversation? Good I spoke to when we were talking about. You know he is getting up there and and speaking about the. The, the outbreak in the press conference, so the discussions are substantive. I can tell you early on. We were meeting when he made I. Think a really good decision to cut off. The travel to China, number one but number two. When we had to shut the government down, not the government, but the country, not the government, of course when we said we add fifteen days of closing than we extended it another thirty days. Those were very intense discussions because that was a big deal. It feels like you've been managing a difficult situation here because you're focused on this pandemic, he's running for re election obviously. Obviously the shutdown has impacted on in the economy that he was going to run on. So there's this tension and you become. It feels like an inconvenience to the White House. Because you're out there and your reporting what you see and what you see doesn't conform with the scenario that they would like to portray. Is that a fair surmise? Some respects it is but I think the important thing that needs to be stated. Is that I. Stay completely out of any political issues, and that's probably one of the reasons why I survived. There's no more political issues. You know then this right now. There's governing. So. That's my point David. I'm not disagreeing your problem, not just. You're absolutely right. I am trying my best to completely stay out of politics, but when you're in a situation that's politically charged. It's kind of difficult to completely not be impacted by I. Stay Out of any personal involvement in politics but I try to do my job, but I'm aware of the tension. The one thing that's interesting that I think people don't appreciate is that I do have a very good relationship with the president in the sense of no animosity all. In fact, it's quite a good relationship yet. Did you mention to him? That maybe isn't helpful. When the White House sends out opposition research documents to try and Besmirch you or Traded is rights. op-eds talking about trying to be Smerch. You yeah well I. Don't like that I if I. Sit here and tell you that's okay. It's not okay. I think that's really bad news to do that. And have you mentioned that to the President I think it's pretty clear on the White House that that's the situation. I don't think in some respects. The president is not happy about that either I can tell you. He's not happy personally about that. So. Let me ask you as we go out. No one would necessarily believe that watching you seeing you. You're seventy nine years old. You've been in your position for thirty six years. How long can you go along I mean? Do you have a horizon line here Juju? Until you can't anymore David I'm GONNA go until and I think I have a pretty good gauge on this, but I also have. Good people around me like my wife who is very realistic, also a physician, a very a very accomplished person here at the NIH, yes. Very below the radar, but really accomplished. She has a very good way of being a reality. Check for me and when I start to see that I'm not performing at the top level. Not Wait till you get mediocre and then go, but if soon as I stopped being top level. I'll step down, but right now I think I'm as good as I've ever been how you're going to cope with that. It seems like this is your life. I I read used to come home to hold dinner for you and you come home and dinner would be at nine. At night I mean obviously this has been your life. That will be a hard day. You Know I. Think so I, have to be realistic I think you're absolutely correct, but I would have to adjust to that and hopefully find something else. That makes me passionate and I. Think is going to be in the arena of things that have to do with health and medicine. It may not be in this position, but I cannot see myself. You know I don't have any great hobbies to go off, do them? I'll just have to continue. Yeah, not basketball. That's for sure David. Sure, Tony, voucher, she! It's great to be with you. Thank you for your time and thank you for your service. which is so important at this critical juncture for the country Matt, thank you very much is having I. really appreciate good to be. Thank you for listening to the X. Files brought to you by the University of Chicago. Institute of Politics and CNN audio the executive producer of the acts files emily standards. The show is also produced by Miriam Annenberg Samantha Neil and Allison Siegel. And special thanks to our partners at CNN including Courtney Coop Megan Marcus and Ashley less. For more programming from the I O P visit politics dot EU Chicago Dot Edu.
2-28-20 What's News
"It's time for New Coal Sandler's. Let's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive voices network. Welcome to dip information in the USA. Donald Trump and his sycophantic cronies and his administration are doing their best to stop Americans from worrying about the increasing threat from the corona virus. Saying things like this. There's no reason to be panicked. Abed we have it so well under control. I mean we really have done a very good job. The president isn't doing much to assuage fears. In fact he's doing the opposite instead of giving the spotlight to experts. Trump has taken it upon himself to talk about the virus outbreak and cast doubt on the judgment of US government scientists that there will be an outbreak of some magnitude in the US trump contradicted members of infectious disease team. On Thursday he spend valuable time in the Oval Office meeting with a pair of actors. Who are starring in a play about former FBI agents. Peter Struck and Lisa page and another meeting with Fox flunkies diamond and silk. Mike Pence chaired a meeting of. Trump's corona virus taskforce on Thursday one day after being given the assignment and he seemed more concerned about muzzling. The experts then informing the public. Obviously an attempt at preventing conflicting statements as happened Thursday evening when the president said that the virus could get worse. Your could get better. But nobody knows contradicting Dr Anthony. Fauci one of the country's leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and infectious disease at pence's meeting on Thursday doctor filed. She described the seriousness of the public health. Threat Facing Americans saying that quote this virus has adapted extremely well to human species and noting that appeared to have a mortality rate than influenza saying quote. We are dealing with a serious virus. Dr Vouching then told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without prior clearance. Mike Pence then went on Sean Hannity's Fox television show where he again lying to the American people contradicting information from federal researchers than public health specialists. Instead Penn said quote the risk of the spread of the corona virus in the United States of America remains low. That's according to all of our experts despite trump's assurances that he's doing a great job the truth is that the administration's actions have likely helped the virus spread throughout the country. A whistle blower came forward to file a complaint saying that the Department of Health and Human Services improperly deployed more than a dozen workers without proper virus prevention training or gear to receive the first Americans evacuated from China after the corona virus outbreak. Started there the whistle blower said. She's been pressured to move to a new job. Since reporting the matter to others in the department including people in Health and Human Services Secretary Alex as ours office the whistle blowers complaint reportedly was filed with the office of the special counsel and independent federal watchdog on Wednesday and that brings us to Wall Street which took its sharpest plunge in an already terrible week on Thursday with the Dow Jones Industrial Average falling by eleven hundred and ninety points or four point four percent the S. and P. Five hundred also dropped by four point four percent capping its fastest dive ever from a record high into a ten percent plus correction the Nasdaq also fell by four point. Six percent all three of the main. Us indexes posted their biggest single day point drops ever. The loss has brought Wall Street. Sixty declined to more than ten percent as news of the increasingly rapid spread of the virus outside China where the outbreak started fueled uncertainty about. How bad the crisis would get and sure enough. Friday morning stocks opened with steep losses the Dow falling more than seven hundred points at the opening and as of ten thirty an hour later. The Dow is down nine thirty. Six former federal officials and public health experts argue that an effective response to an epidemiological crisis demands sustained planning and investment while the administration's response to the corona virus has been criticized in recent weeks slow in disjointed people in an outside. The White House have worn for years that the nation is ill prepared for dangerous pandemic as for Donald Trump at his press conference on Wednesday. He was asked about his administration's gutting of the Centers for Disease Control and his answer was astounding of consistently hall for the city. Asian the W. A. Lot hobbies professionals are critical necessary experience. Pause about because we we can get money and we can increase if we know all the people we know all the good people is the question. I asked the doctors before Some of the people we cut. They haven't been used for many many years and if they if we have a native we can get a very ugly. That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works. Meanwhile California public health officials are monitoring more than eight thousand people for the corona virus in the state and thirty. Three patients already tested positive. According to Governor Gavin newsom on Thursday. The best advice to stay safe. Wash your hands regularly and keep them away from your face. And that's a special corona virus edition of what's News. I'm Nicole Sandler but be warned. This is rapidly changing so your best bet for the latest and most complete information is the Centers for disease control website at CDC Dot G. O. V. and keep washing those hands.
Trump limits travel from Europe to US for 30 days.
"Coming up on five minute news trump clamps limits on travel from Europe to. Us FOR THIRTY DAYS Harvey Weinstein Gets Twenty three years jail time and US Supreme Court upholds policy of making asylum seekers wait in Mexico. It's Thursday march twelfth. I'm Anthony Davis taking dramatic action last night. Donald Trump announced he is restricting passenger. Travel from Twenty Six. European nations to the US. He made the announcement during a Bizarre Oval Office address to the nation that he is suspending. All travel from Europe to the US for thirty days beginning at eleven fifty nine PM. On Friday after days of playing down the threat he falsely blamed Europe for not acting quickly enough to address the novel Corona Virus and claimed that US clusters was seeded by European travellers. Trump said the restrictions apply to the United Kingdom and there would be exemptions for Americans who have undergone appropriate screenings it also wouldn't apply to Kogo Homeland Security officials later clarifies that the new travel restrictions would only apply to most foreign nationals. Who have been in the Schengen area for fourteen days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States it doesn't apply to legal permanent residents immediate family of US citizens or others identified in the proclamation. Yesterday the World Health Organization declared that the Global Corona virus crisis is now a pandemic Iran and Italy of the new frontlines of the fight against the virus that started in China for the global economy virus repercussions with profound with increasing concerns of wealth and job wrecking recessions. Us stocks wiped out more than all the gains from a huge rally a day earlier as Wall Street continued to real the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Dropped one thousand four hundred sixty four points bringing it twenty percent below. Its record set last month. Who officials said they thought long and hard about labelling the crisis a pandemic meaning a new virus causing sustained outbreaks in multiple regions of the world underscoring the mounting challenge. The case count outside China has multiplied. Thirteen fold over the last two weeks to over one hundred eighteen thousand with the disease now responsible for four thousand two hundred ninety-one deaths with officials saying that Europe has become the new epicenter. Italy's Casey soared again to twelve thousand four hundred sixty two infections and eight hundred twenty seven deaths numbers second only to China. China's Nuwari is that the corona virus could reenter from abroad. Beijing city government announced that all overseas visitors will be quarantined for fourteen days of twenty four new cases reported yesterday five arrived from Italy and one from the United States for most. The Corona virus causes only mild or moderate symptoms such as fever and cough but for a few especially older adults and people with existing health problems it can cause more severe illnesses including new Monja more than one hundred twenty one thousand people have been infected worldwide and over four thousand. Three hundred have died. Italy's government announced. It was dedicating twenty. Five billion euros to boost antivirus efforts and soften economic blows including delaying tax and mortgage payments by families and businesses. Britain's government announced a thirty billion pound economic stimulus package and the Bank of England slashed. Its key interest rate by half a percentage point and in the US. The caseload passed a thousand and outbreaks on both sides of the country stirred alarm but a story circulated people not being able to access a test. The fear is that numbers in the US are actually fall. Higher than currently reported at a Congressional hearing in Washington Dr Antony Fallacy Director of the National Institute of Allergy and infectious disease sounded an alarm bottom line. He said it's going to get worse. Harvey Weinstein was sentenced yesterday to twenty three years in prison after breaking his courtroom silence with a rambling plea for mercy in which he professed to be totally confused by the metoo movement that spelled the Hollywood produces downfall. He's accuses who testified against him and many others who have spoken out against the former. Hollywood mogul held the near maximum punishment for his rape and criminal. Sex Act convictions. As long overdue 67-year-old Weinstein could spend the rest of his life behind bars. The conviction marks. The first criminal fallout from a raft of allegations that the Oscar winning movie producer used his clout to Leo Women Sexually Assault or harass them and then silence them. Both of the Women Weinstein was convicted of assaulting told the court about the damage he did to them and the empowerment. They felt when testifying against him. The sentence puts sexual predators and abusive partners in all segments of society on notice said Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance junior the US Supreme Court has allowed the trump administration to continue enforcing a policy. That makes asylum-seekers wait in Mexico for. Us Court hearings despite lower court rulings that the policy is probably illegal. Instead the remain in Mexico policy will remain in force while a lawsuit challenging. It plays out in the colts probably at least through the end of Donald Trump's term in January. The next step for the administration is to file a formal appeal with the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court action is the latest instance of the justices siding with the administration to allow trump's divisive immigration policies. To continue off the lower courts had moved to haunt them. Other cases include the travel ban on visitors from some largely Muslim countries though not Saudi Arabia construction of the border wall and the wealth test for people seeking green cards. You can subscribe to five minute news with your preferred podcast APP. Ask Your Smart Speaker or enable five minute news as your Amazon Alexa. Flash BRIEFING SCALE VISIT US online at five minute. Dot News five minute. News is an independent production covering politics inequality health and climate delivering unbiased verified and truthful World News daily.
Monday, February 17, 2020
"Westwood One Daily News for Monday February Seventeenth President's Day twenty twenty. I'm John Trout. Three hundred Americans returning from Japan after having been quarantine over corona virus wants passengers from the diamond. Princess left the ship U. S. officials received word that fourteen passengers had tested positive for the virus. Those infected were separated from others on the airplane. Ride home over. Seventeen hundred have been killed by corona virus. Clayton Neville has more the death of a man over the weekend in Taiwan from the corona virus is the fifth reported death from the illness outside mainland China where it originated. France reported a corona virus fatality. This Week and the World Health Organization said Japan Hong Kong and the Philippines all of had deaths in China. More than sixteen hundred people have died from the illness and nearly seventy thousand cases are confirmed. Hundreds of Americans evacuated the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan. That was quarantined. Due to the corona virus a group of evacuees were flown back to the US unchartered planes on CBS face. The Nation National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease Director. Dr Anthony Fell. She said people can have different levels of an infection from the virus it varies. I mean you could be infected and have minimal symptoms but you still have the possibility of transmitting it to someone else could be infected and have some significant lung disease that would require hospitalization and perhaps even some serious intervention passengers. Not In the clear yet when you come back to the United States importantly this sills subjected to a fourteen day quarantine and the reason for that is that the degree of transmissibility on that cruise ship is essentially akin to being in a hot spot. A lot of transmissibility. This traveler says it's been a big setback like a pretty clear picture on our minds. What was going to happen. And it just got shot to hell. One passenger used their phone records. Some of the instructions as CDC official gave them before they left the cruise ship shower. I set closed sometime after six. They're gonNA start disembarking from this but it'll be close to three in the morning on later before actually while the corona virus hasn't impacted America like it has Asia or certainly China health officials remain on board and are taking precautions and playing it safe with quarantine and with screenings. I'm Clayton Neville. Former Justice Department prosecutors have signed onto a statement accusing attorney general bar of doing the president's bidding when he moved to lower sentence recommendation for close friend. And Confidante of President Trump Roger Stone more from White House correspondent. Bob Costantini start. You are and you're playing two key. Constituency president trump started the daytona five hundred NASCAR race courtesy of Fox. Sports the President First Lady even taking a symbolic lap with the drivers in his armored known as the beast. He's returned to Washington amid controversy attorney. General William Bar was trying to quell amped up by eleven hundred former Justice Department officials in a public statement calling on bar to resign last week bars interview with. Abc News included a call for the president to stop tweeting about pending cases. Most notably Mr trump declaring roger stone facing seven. To nine years in prison was an injustice that he cannot allow on. Fox News. Sunday adviser Kellyanne Conway arguing. The president wasn't trying to influence the attorney. General regarding stone president. Could you see how the president ways it and the president weighs into the whole world? He didn't have a conversation with bill. Barham Rogers case. You had a conversation with the whole world. He put as he is wanting to do on his twitter in the interview or maintain felt ill at ease over the tweets because he had decided that stone faced an excessive sentence beforehand a Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee John Kennedy of Louisiana on. Cbs His face. The nation sounding a sour note over. How it all does the president have a right to tweet about a case of course just because you can sang though doesn't mean you sit should Sing Democrat. Sunday programs called for Bar to resign. He is scheduled to appear at a house. Hearing March thirty. First Bob Costantini the White House. Democratic presidential contenders are gearing up for the next stop and the campaign. The Nevada caucuses correspondent Linda. Kenyon has that story. The caucuses our next Saturday. Several of the Democratic hopefuls have been campaigning in Nevada. Ahead of those caucuses including former vice president Joe Biden. He was asked on. Nbc's Meet the press why his campaign doesn't seem to be gaining a lot of traction. I haven't spent the time starting to happen now. I haven't spent the time going out. Doing the fundraisers and moving away have Well Oh now online we're raising about four hundred thousand bucks a day. We have a lot of fund raisers that are online and we got a lot of union support. Now Joe Biden does say it's still early in the campaign. Were just getting into the meat of getting the number of delegates. You need to be able to win this election and I'm confident we're going to be in good shape house speaker. Nancy Pelosi commented over the weekend on. Biden's prospects with all the respect in the world for Iowa and New Hampshire. I'm not counting. Joe Biden out there still races ahead. They're much more representative of of the of the country Biden. Points out that he and other candidates are being outspent by former New York mayor. Michael Bloomberg sixty billion dollars can buy a lot of advertising. But it can erase record biden referring to Bloomberg's controversial stop and Frisk policy and other issues when he was mayor. That's why fellow contender. Senator Amy Klobuchar tells. Cnn State of the Union. She liked to see Michael Bloomberg on the debate stage. I know I'm not going to be able to beat him on the airwaves but I can beat them on the debate. Stage and while Klobuchar says Bloomberg's monetary. Power is daunting. I don't think you should be able to hide behind airwaves and huge advise club which are also says. She's concerned about Bernie Sanders in this election. I'm the only one on that debate stage when asked. Do you have a problem with the socialist leading the Democratic ticket that I said yes and that is despite the fact that burn our friends we came in together and my argument is that we don't just have to win an election by eeking by victory at four. Am We've got a win? Big former mayor. Buddha judge agrees also appearing on CNN state of the Union. Buddha judge said. He's playing the long game when it comes to his fundraising efforts the campaign. I'm building right now. Is Not just for earning the nomination it is for defeating Donald Trump. Who with his allies has demonstrated that they will do anything to hold onto power and next stop in the Democratic primary process after Nevada will be South Carolina on February twentieth then Super Tuesday march third. Linda Kenyon Washington in sports. The Daytona five hundred after just twenty laps completed was postponed due to rain more from Bill Michaels the Daytona five hundred has been postponed by rain for the first time since two thousand twelve. Nascar announced the postponement on twitter. The sixty second running of the Daytona five hundred will resume this afternoon at four eastern time. It's the second time in sixty two years. The race will finish on a Monday correspondent. Joe Ramsey explains Alaska's governor is proposing a lottery to help generate cash as the state struggles with a years long deficit. Alaska has long reliant on oil and is in search of other revenue options amid a persistent budget deficit. Republican governor. Mike Dunleavy introduced legislation this week proposing a lottery with his administration saying it could serve as part of his goal of providing increase fiscal stability. It comes on the heels of deep budget cuts dully proposed last year. That were met with public outcry that anger help feeling a recall effort against him. That's now tied up in courts. His budget proposal to be upcoming fiscal year backs off deep cuts but withdrawal heavily from savings which legislative leaders as unacceptable. I'm Joe Ramsey Westwood. One Daily News for February seventeenth twenty twenty. I'm John Trout.
An Outbreak Of Measles And The Anti-Vaccination Movement
"Support for WMU comes from Germany, celebrating the strong German-American friendship with events in all fifty states. The US in Germany are wounded bar together. Find out about events near you, it Votto bar together dot Oregon on social media at Germany in USA. Hi. Diane great to be back with you for our Tuesday podcast on my mind. An outbreak measles and the growing power the anti X nation movement, the has declared measles radically in the year, two thousand refusal tobaks eight children among certain pocket and said the population means the disease is researching like health officials in this country, say ten states have reported cases in two thousand nineteen alone. And the internationally the World Health Organization recently named vaccine hesitancy has wanted that top global threats a two thousand nine I am bread. Dr Anthony found Chee directorate National Institute of allergy and infectious disease. At the national institutes have held into the studio to learn or. Path here. It's great to see you. Good to be with you. Diane now in Washington state, and in New York, we've had two recent outbreaks of measles brought attention to the fact that there is this large antibac- nation movement. It's raised concerns about public health all over the country. Tell us how those outbreaks began and why well the outbreaks are absolutely directly related to the lack of vaccination among a certain percentage of the population. When you're dealing with measles, which is an extraordinarily contagious may be one of the most contagious viruses. We know of but we have a vaccine that's one of the most effective vaccines of all vaccines. We know. But when you're in a community the. The model is that if you get below a certain percentage of the population that is vaccinated and for measles. The critical level is somewhere around ninety two and ninety three plow. So when you get into ninety eighty five eighty then what happens is that there's a protective veil over the community. Call heard immunity, which means that such a high percentage of people of vaccinated that when the virus gets inserted into the community usually from outside the country. Visit would come in from a country where there are measles. Outbreaks when that particular person starts spreading it the veil of protection of herd immunity, isn't there? So those in the community who are not vaccinated, namely, the children of parents who are anti vaccine. Those are the ones that are vulnerable. And those of the outbreaks that we're seeing in Washington state and the outbreak that recently occurred in New York City in the acidic Jewish sec. Action of Brooklyn. And in Rockland county. It was that the vaccine rate went below a certain level someone came from Israel who was unvaccinated who was infected went into the city community, and you had a big outbreak. So that's the root cause of this is the lack of vaccination the children. Now, I understand in the latest report from the World Health Organization since they hundred thirty six thousand death around the world in two thousand eighteen from measles. What has happened that is really unfortunate to the greatest degree because measles is an entirely preventable disease. The vaccine is ninety seven to ninety eight percent effective. So when you look globally, it is generally because there are certain regions of the world will you don't have access to the healthcare. That would give you a vaccine. The thing that is so disturbing is that in the developed world, including the United States thorough these pockets of anti vaccine movement, which deliberately don't take a vaccine, which when you look at the potential damaging effects of measles. It is really in many respects unconscionable count nail towers damaging effects are and why are people die? Well, it is a potentially fatal disease, even though the overwhelming majority of people recover, but if you just take a look at our history when you and I were children before the vaccine became widely available in the early nineteen sixties in the United States. We had two to three million cases of measles year, five hundred deaths a thousand cases of encephalitis and thousands and thousands of hospitalizations. So if you look at measles first of all at. Best. It's very uncomfortable for a child. You remember locked in your bedroom with the rash and the fever and feeling terrible. I remember that too. But if you look at the statistics, Diane one in ten people children who get measles. We'll get a significant ear involvement that could lead to deafness one in twenty get an ammonia that could be life threatening one in two thousand get encephalitis that can lead to mental troubles and neurological troubles and one to two or three out of a thousand dollars by. So when you ask the question why even now in two thousand nineteen a we having deaths throughout the world. The reason is despite the fact that most people recover, well, it is potentially a lethal disease. Now, tell me about the people who have become ill in this country. And how seriously they have been peck. Well, fortunately, we have not seen deaths in the sense that you would see when you have very large numbers. But when you have massive outbreaks, it was just recently reported that they were about one hundred twenty six deaths in the Philippines last year related to measles. Those aren't cases those deaths of children that could have been avoided in Madagascar. There were several hundred deaths associated with measles. Again, it occurs in a relative small proportion, but when you have lodge outbreaks sooner or later, your gonna see both serious complications and an occasional death in. It becomes all the more tragic because this is an entirely preventable disease. This rumor that began at has somehow taken hold among the antibac- seen group that is common Asian of injection, which is for measles, mumps, and rubella Amore causes autism. Tell us how began well that began by a fraud. Diane in the late nineteen ninety s a physician Dr Wakefield in the UK reported an association between the measles mumps rubella, particularly measles and autism. When that information was examined carefully. It was found out to be completely false fraudulent and fabricated the person lost his medical license because of that. And yet that got into the internet stream it was there. So when you Google it you see measles, you see. Autism. And unfortunately, the good news about the internet is that it spreads a lot of information. The bad news about the internet. It continues to spread false information. So right now, even though it has been unequivocally shown that measles vaccination does not cause autism. They're still it's out there among people who use that as an excuse for not getting that children vaccinated, which is really very unfortunate and Jeff nineteen years ago. Measles was declared a lemon aid correct in the US. And when did he began putting that information, then the time he was the same the late nineteen ninety s into the early two thousand, and that's when people started to get that information and start saying that it want to get their children vaccinated or was it first published? It was first published in a British journal, call Lancet, and that's the reason why. It was brought to the attention of the British and to their credit when they investigated that. They then went ahead and said this man is a fraud. What kind did had -cation hit? He have. He was a physician he was trained as a medical doctor. Yeah. It's really unfortunate. And that's the reason why it's important for us. When we tried to convince the parents who are being misled by this information rather than attacking them because it's not their fault. They're getting full information to try and explain to them that we need to make medical decisions based on evidence, and based on scientific facts, and when you look at the evidence, and you look at the scientific facts, it becomes very clear that vaccines, very safe, including the measles vaccine. What about the federal government and its involvement here? The federal government can have very little to do with that what you usually see at the state level. There are three major reasons why people can be exempt or wavered from getting a vaccine associated with getting into school, the incentive if you wanna call it that for parents. Get their children vaccinated that throughout the country at state and local school districts. You're not allowed to get your child into school unless they have the whole menu of axons, right? There are three reasons that you can get away ver one is the religious reason where your religion, you're clear official religion doesn't want you to get rich religion scientists and things like that Jehovah's Witnesses. So so that's the first thing the second thing is if you have a medical reason if you are ill, and you have a immune deficient type of situation where you're on chemotherapy for cancer or another disease or you have some other illness that prevents you from getting alive attenuated vaccine. But the third category is the one that's most abused. And that's called eight philosophical reason. And philosophical reason you could say just philosophically, I don't wanna get vaccinated. And what we're seeing in some locations now is the realization that it's that category, which is leading to the expansion of the number of people who are not vaccinated and just a few years ago. Governor Jerry Brown in California realized that after the California outbreak in Disneyland and said that they were going to be much more strict on allowing philosophical waving and philosophical exemptions. So who determines whether a philosophical exemption should be permitted. Well, that's the point. There isn't an official person that does that unless a state or local authority will say we are going to restrict philosophical exemptions and philosophical waving. So what we have now on the front page of the Washington Post. The day was a woman with the baby and her arms. Two and three year old she's afraid to take her child out the younger into the community. Because so many of her neighbors have not had their children vaccinated. And she is deathly literally afraid for that infants who is most vulnerable will the important thing that most people don't appreciate of why we have to have this protect avail in society is that you can't vaccinate an infant until their eleven to twelve months old, right because of the nature their immune system. So just think about it in society, all of the babies the infants who are from day one of birth to eleven to twelve months of all normal, and those are the ones that need to be protected and you protect them by vaccinating everybody else. So that when those babies go out to the society. With the mother or the father, and there's someone in societies infected that person won't spread it to the child. There are other people who are vulnerable. There are people who have cancer who have chemotherapy for their cancer whose immune system is suppressed the repeal who have other reasons to have suppressed immunity, those individuals of vulnerable. And that's the reason why when you vaccinate a child you do two things he protect the child, but you also fulfill your obligation to society to be part of the broad protective blanket of immune function. Which would allow you to essentially protect yourself against measles are so Ceppos the older those two children three-year-old goes to school his already been vaccinated. But say someone who has not been vaccinated has me and that little child. Comes home. What are the chances? That's a good question. They any let's say the older sister of infant that's six months old if that older sister who's three years old has been vaccinated and goes out and gets into contact with a person who has measles because that person was not vaccinated. There's a ninety seven to ninety eight percent chance that that child is protected and won't bring measles back to the house to the infant. And that's the reason why it's important to get the family members vaccinated 'cause you not only protect yourself. But when you come back into the home, you protect the infants about adults like you and me. Well, the good news. Diane is that once you've been infected with measles you have lifelong protection. So you and I now had the ultimate vaccination. We got infected when we were children. And now a quick break. When we come back more from doubt grants nape out Chee. Support for WMU comes from Germany, celebrating the strong German-American friendship this year with over one thousand events in all fifty states, the US in Germany are wunderbar together. United by deep historical ties shared values and bold, visions for the future. Whether it is bowel house October fest or the traveling underboss find out which awesome events are taking place near you. Check them out at wunderbar together dot Oregon, connect on social media, Germany and USA, and we're back here is the rest of my conversation with Dr Anthony vouch e he to record a National Institute of allergy and infectious disease at an educational institutes have health I been told that if someone who has the measles has been in a room that someone who has not been vaccinated can walk. Doc into their room never making close contact. But that measles spreads through the air. The there are two important facts that relate to what you just said. I n so it the attack rate from these -als is such that, let's say we're in a room, and there are twenty people in the room and a child comes in with measles and coughs and sneezes of the people in the room who have been not been vaccinated. Let's say for some strange reason half of them have not been vaccinated ninety percent of the unvaccinated people will get infected from that child coughing and sneezing the thing. That's also astounding. But true is that if I have measles as a child, and I come into this room and coffin sneeze. And then go out into the street and go home for the next two hours, the people who come into this room because. The droplets still they're spreading you can get infected even though the person who's infected is no longer in the same room. That's how infective measles is is one of the most highly transmissible viruses of any viruses. We know do you think that people simply do not understand the danger of me? I think it's partly that. I think they don't understand or preciado it. But that in some respects is understandable because the people who are out in society. Now did not grow up at a time. When people were getting sick, seriously ill and dying. In fact, if you go now to people who just out of medical school and training and their, internship and residency the overwhelming overwhelming majority of them have never even seen a case of measles. So it's not on people's radar screen. So when you don't see. A lot of sick people. You don't see a lot of children getting complications. You tend to think it's not a problem. But that is understandable. That's why we've gotta make sure we don't go back in time and have enough unvaccinated people that we recreate that time when you and I would children when there was a lot of measles now is two states as to whether a child has to be vaccinated is not a federal issue. It's definitely at the state and local levels schools at the state and local level. It is not a federal national thing. So how come New York and Marchington state got hit will they got hit because in a very subtle way that philosophical exemptions sort of crept in and then when you got that critical mass of people it is a critical for sentence. And we know now from experience if you have ninety five ninety six percent of the population. Vaccinated the ones who are not Faxon aided are protected by her immunity once you get down below ninety eighty five eighty then you're in trouble because then you of vulnerability, but New York and Washington state are certain I progress now now they are thinking things have now changed quite clearly I mean, if you just take a look even in in a very recent yesterday article in the New York Times, they showed that the people in Washington state now are realizing what's going on in this state. And there is a major drive more people are asking for vaccinations than have in the last couple of years. So found g is the US kind of an outlier here what's happening around or unfortunately, Diane. The United States is not an outlier when it comes to the anti vaccine situation, the situation in Italy is. Is bad, unfortunately, and in other European countries, but Italy and Greece and other places if you look the percentage of people in the general population who don't have measles vaccine, it is a disaster waiting to happen. So what are doctor say in those countries telling their page. Well, that's a good question because I actually came into contact by Email and telephone with several of my colleagues who are in Rome, and in Milan and Genoa and places like that. And they are terribly frustrated is become, you know, not only a medical. But a political issue where politicians taking sides that libertarians are saying the government should not be telling us what we should be doing and purely on the basis of this desire for libertarian freedom. You're essentially leaving your children and your population. Unprotected you. Do that after a while it always comes back to roost. What will happen is that you will get more and more people unvaccinated, then you'll have a massive outbreak in these countries the way we have seen before historically. And then everyone swings over to the other side and says, oh my goodness. What have we done? Let's talk about the legitim- at resistance to the accede any intervention at all any intervention that you give a pill an aspirin anything. There is a fraction without fraction may be one in twenty million, but there's a fraction that there will be an adverse event. So what you've gotta make sure you do when you talk to people and say, it is true that anything any vaccine and intervention there could be an adverse event. But if you balance the overall decades long observation of safety of vaccines. Against the positive effects of the vaccine overwhelmingly, it leans towards vaccinating without a doubt on a other hand. It does strike me that this is part of a larger issue of deals Trump's right of anyone in a thirty, and especially governments and even doctor is who are saying this will be fine. Well, a great point that transcends the issue of vaccine. So if you look at an understandable because sometimes authority is is not true to the public. And there's reason for lack of trust. We see that in politics all the time we see that in fraudulent behavior all the time. So given that there is a distrust of thority, that's something that's unfortunate. But in some. Respects, understandable. The problem is if you have distrust in politics, and you say, well, I don't believe him. It's no harm for anybody. I just don't believe you're you're a politician your president thority. But when that distrust leads to danger to the health of your children and danger to the health of society, that's different story. The consequences of that type of distrust a much different than distrust, which just sort of is meaningless. And let's talk at the dissemination of the information. Facebook has certainly been criticized for disseminating false information in other areas. What about this? Well, absolutely. I mean, again, there are so many positive things about social media that connected between people. But once you get that ability to have direct access to people with no filters. That's when full. Information can really be destructive. And unfortunately, the very mechanisms you wanna say Facebook the internet in general Twitter. However, it is that this information is spread there's very little you can do about. No, some of the executives of those companies are starting to look at are there things that we should judge to be really dangerous to society and pull that out. Again. There's a lot of debate about that right now the other thing, of course, is whether the entire public health community underestimated the ensure exactly that kind of dissemination of misinformation, I think so I mean, I think it's certainly I would say it took us by surprise. But now that it's become clear to us. It's very frustrating that we need to counter with an equally aggressive of you wanna use that word dissemination of science. Typically based information. So what does that mean? How are you gonna do that? Well, it means like a my sitting here on a podcast talking to you trying to get the facts out or writing articles about it getting the newspapers to do stories about that. I think right now over the last few weeks the amount of press coverage that has gone on. With regard to the measles. Outbreaks. I think has been very important. So you think getting a message out is one important step. What about educating politicians again, very important? And I find myself in that position. Not infrequently in fact in the next one and a half to two weeks. I'm going to be testifying before the congress about measles and anti vaccine, and what the consequences of that are. So clearly there is a keen interest right now on the part of the United States Congress what we know about members of congress and their thoughts on this anti vaccine. I think that the congress represents the public in many respects that there are congressmen and senators who feel very strongly that we want we've got to make sure that the children get vaccinated. And there are those who are not a grossly anti vaccine, but they have some questions which I think valid to ask us the question. So I look forward actually to getting in front of a congressional committee in having those questions asked of me. But in general, the congress has been very supportive, and then what can the congress do? Well, the congress the con. Represents the federal government. Yeah. So they cannot do things from federal regulation, but they can certainly bring attention to it. And when they bring attention, I mean, that's in many respects, the beauty and the positive aspects of having a congressional investigation or congressional committee. You focus on the problem and then other things start moving. And that's the reason why we in the public health arena. Welcome having a congressional hearing on this in order to get it out in the public Heves. You personally talked with an individual or a group of anti vaccine have multiple times town about those converse. Well, you know, the one thing I've learned and I think it's very important. You don't get anywhere by denigrating the people for their thoughts and the hurling and criticizing them and pointing a finger at them and saying you're blame what you do. Is you try to have a dialogue and explain. What the facts are in why it's important to make decisions when it comes to public health based on hard evidence and facts, and my experience has been that you will have a relatively small percentage of people that no matter what you say or do they will not change their minds. However, they are really in the minority and the overwhelming majority of people have reasons that vary from misinformation, that's correctable. If you tell them the right information, they'll change their mind or things as mundane as not having access or time in their own life to be able to get the kids being busy with other things. Just forgetting it innocent things that are not philosophically based. So what you need to do is to realize that you're dealing with a heterogeneous group and don't treat the anti vaccine as a Uni dimensional. Group realize that there are some that you're going to win over mealy by facts, some by explaining to them the importance of it and others. Maybe whatever you do. It's not going to change them. Well, I can think of no better person to do that Dr found she that you you really heavy work cut out for you. Thank you. Thank you for being here. My pleasure. Paul for today. I loved to hear what on your mind mind is on Facebook and Twitter were sent an Email. The our podcast yet WAM new dot org. You can find all our podcasts and even old Diane Rehm shows at I am dot org. Our thing is it gives by Jim Bromberg and Landsberg Wunderle the show is produced by Rebecca Kaufman and Ellison Brody. Her engineers is we are Douglas bail and Joe's at the Neil ni-. Thanks for listening. We'll be back with you again on Friday. I'm Diane rain. Hi, it's Diane cruise the beautiful Mediterranean Sea with me next summer Fronton, July, fourteen through July twenty five two thousand nineteen the cruise sales from Barcelona to Athens coming on ancient harbours along the way and taking scenery and stunning. 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Episode 44 - What the Coronavirus Can Teach Us About Markets and Investing
"Welcome to the agent of wealth. Podcast with Marc out is from voters financial in this podcast. Mark Helps Guide you towards financial freedom ensure never run out of money and create a balance in life that prioritizes. What is most important to you? Join us for this journey as Merck draws from years of expertise and guest to solve the multiple wealth-building challenges involved in your financial life. Welcome to the PODCAST. This is your host mark balanced. The Corona virus is still front and center in our news feeds and probably will be for awhile until you show. I wanted to discuss what the Koran virus can teach us about a couple of hard to explain financial topics. I was listening to one of the press conferences from the Corona Virus Task Force last week. Where Dr Pfau chief? Who's the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease? Talked about how. The Krona virus hospitalizations are lagging indicator of the impact of the virus. The point that Dr Fao she was trying to make was that when we see statistics on new cases or new hospitalizations or new. That's from the virus. It's the result of actions that we took two weeks ago and not today. And those actions are things like social distancing staying home quarantining washing your hands. Not Touching your face. And I wanted to segue that into what indicators are and how they are applied to finance and economy so an indicator can be any statistic that's used to predict and understand the TR- understand the trend leading indicators which point towards possible future events lagging indicators which may contain a pattern that's in progress and then there's also a third indicator called coincident indicator which occurs in real time and can help clarify things that are going on and in the financial and economic space the stock market is a leading indicator. And so what that means is it's already priced in all the information that's currently out there and when the stock market goes up or down because what it thinks is going happen in the future and if you really need any more evidence that the stock market is a leading indicator you can look at last week's performance in the stock market so the market was up twelve percent last week. That's a good game for a year. Never mind for just one week but the news that came out last week was actually terrible. There was over six million unemployment claims. We crossed over ten thousand deaths from the virus in the United States. There was also talk about how bad the recession is going to be all that negative information yet. The stock market was up. So we'll talk a little bit about why that's happened but if anyone's talked to me over the past couple of weeks concept that always comes up is whether they should try and time the market so take their investments out of stocks. Put them in cash. Wait until the the market comes back and then wait until it looks like things are clear and things are starting to look up and then invest and the theory is that you'd sell now and then at the lowes you can buy and then ride the gains all the way up but because the stock market is a leading indicator. It's impossible time like that by the time that it looks like the viruses under control. The economy's going to get started up again. The market will have already recovered the trump's that it's had over the past month and a half and you'd essentially be buying back where it was or even at new highs and we can look to thousand eight and two thousand nine as a classic example of all the bad news that we're hearing around unemployment poor earnings from companies numbers around the virus. It's all factored into the stock market already. So it's really impossible to time that to take that information and try and make a decision for the future about that. Because that information's already priced into what stocks are priced right now some of the other indicators that we hear a lot about our new jobless claims new housing starts which really gauge the health of the housing market or volatility in the bond market is looked at as an indicator of what stocks will do in the future so if there's little or no volatility in the bond market it's usually a good precursor that stocks may have gain versus the opposite where if there is volatility in the bond market which means fluctuating prices. Mostly most of the time volatility is used to describe fluctuating. Prices on the downside. Usually when prices go up the you don't really hear about volatility in but usually volatility in the bond markets looked at as an indicator on where stocks are going to go indicator that we heard a lot about two thousand eighteen was the of the yield curve and what that is thought to represent is that it's a leading indicator that there's going to be a recession in the near future so the yield curve is a graphical representation of yields on similar bonds across different maturity dates an inverted yield curve represents the situation where long term bonds have lower yields than short-term bonds of the same credit quality and why this is strange or this is of no is because usually you get paid more interest when you take on a bonder a fixed income instrument with a longer maturity date but when a yield curve is inverted. You're actually not rewarded to take on longer that you actually have a higher interest rate with shorter maturity date bond which is the opposite of what typically happens and it actually looks like this indicator is going to be correct because we most likely you're probably going to have a recession but it's probably more of a coincidence as the cause of the recession now was the spread of the corona virus. And not anything that could have been predicted or foreseen in two thousand eighteen. So this brings us to our next topic which is really similar indicators and that's of projected numbers versus actual numbers and if you ever followed companies release their quarterly earnings and you're left scratching your head when something like this happens accompany reports which would seem like great revenue great earnings great net income. Maybe the revenue is up thirty percent and their net income was up forty percent over the previous quarter and those numbers seem great. Like who wouldn't want to be part of a company that's growing at that clip but right after the numbers come out the stock price nosedives. Well that's because while the actual numbers were create the projected numbers probably higher and they probably fell short of projected numbers so maybe last year or at some point previously the company came out and said we were expecting to have thirty five percent revenue growth. So when the revenue growth came in at thirty percent the stock tanked because it was expecting that that extra five percent of that thirty five percent revenue growth when the projections came out or when the sometimes the stock market makes its own projections. And it doesn't necessarily need a company saying we project our revenue growth is going to be thirty percent or thirty five percent. The stock market will make a Gasser. Make a determination of what it thinks. The projections for the company will be so. That's why sometimes you'll see. Even for projected growth was at thirty percent or thirty five percent and it comes in lower than that. The stock may react one way or the other because the market was actually predicting the number would have been even different than that. So the projections are really. What's what's important in terms of how a stock is going to react to. Its earnings are two other information that comes out about it and the reverse can happen as well. A company can be expected to grow by twenty percent. But it's growth comes in that twenty five percent and you'll see stock pop up this why you'll see companies Sometimes that don't earn any money or have negative income so they lose money each quarter yet. Their stock price continues to go up. And that's because the market's not looking at its current earnings. It's basing the price of the stock on what it thinks it will earn in the future and one of the classic examples of this over the ninety s and the two thousand was Amazon. Where EVERY YEAR OR EVERY QUARTER? Amazon would come out and say. Oh we lost this much this quarter and we lost this much this quarter but what they were doing. They were basically reinvesting all their revenue back into the company and at some point they turned a profit and they haven't gone back since. And if you would have made that bet on Amazon or or Amazon and it's early days even knowing that it wasn't making money at the time you obviously would have been rewarded handsomely and have seen road the enormous growth that Amazon stock price has happened so about a month ago. The projections for deaths related to the virus in the US came out. The projection was that there'd be anywhere from one hundred thousand to two hundred fifty thousand deaths in this country and forget about the fact that it's a wide range. I statistics in general but when that number comes out the market factors that into its price and definitely the market one of the things that it's been factoring in has been numbers around the virus but the past week in one of the press briefings about the virus president trump's stated that there are revised death numbers and now we can expect approximately sixty thousand deaths and not one hundred thousand to two hundred fifty thousand so that number was better than what the market was expecting and therefore it was one of the reasons we saw bump in the stock market last week. So another question. That comes up a lot when I talked to. People is stock. Should I buy to take advantage of the current market situation? And they'll bring up a stock like zoom because everyone's using now for videoconferencing and it probably even has strong future for the company even when the economy opens back up again and we start actually going back to the office but the problem with the strong future is that it's already priced into the stock price whether zoom or stocks that fit in this bucket outperforms or not in the future. It's going to be related to whether it exceeds or falls short of those future projections and it's not to say that is a good or bad investment. They may continue to have explosive growth. The point I'm trying to make is that it's not a secret that everyone's using zoom right now or that. Zoom is synonymous with videoconferencing. But all that is already priced in. It really comes down to how is going to do in the future compared to what it's projected to do in the future so if you're trying to outperform the market you have to focus on stocks that you think will beat their projections. We all know that Apple's going to sell a ton iphones or that. Netflix is going to get a lot of subscribers. But is it more than what they were projected to do? And that's really the key to determining whether a stock prices go up NOCCO all the other projection at the market is implicitly. Making right now when the economy is going to open up again so the market has a projection on how long it thinks the economy will be closed for and how much economic damage. It thinks will be inflicted. Now make no mistake. No one knows what is going to open up again. But the market already is making projection on when it thinks it will and how much economic damage at thinks the can withstand before things really go bad so if the economy opens up sooner than what the market things will see a pop if it takes longer than what the projection to open up is. We'll probably see a drop in the market and the market's always adjusting to both new information. That comes out as well as what projects to happen. So the problem with making investment decisions on new information that comes out is that the market is already priced that information in saying that the market has priced in all available information. That's that's out there and it's really looking at. How does that number come out? Compared to what the markets priced too. So now I want to move on to one of the most powerful concepts in finance and the power of compounding interest to Warren Buffett's talked a lot about how important in compounding interest is. But I find myself using too many Warren Buffett quotes so I'll use one from Albert Einstein on compounding interest and Einstein. Famously said that compound interest is the most powerful force in the universe he said compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He understands it earns it he who doesn't pays it but before we start talking about compounding interest from an investment perspective. I WANNA discuss how it applies to viruses and obviously specifically about the krona vires. So we've heard about the flattening of the curve ever since the virus began to spread here in the US and the curve represents how quickly the virus can spread it starts off slow but then grows exponentially quick and the shape of the curve represents a hockey stick. Let's take a look at some of the numbers to explore this a little bit further the initial projection was that every person infected with the virus would in fact between one and a half to three and a half people so for the purposes. We're going to. We're going to say that every person that gets infected with the virus infects two additional people so on day one we have one person that's infected on day two. We have two more people that are infected on day three those people each infect two people so there's four new infections on day four. There's eight new infections. At the end of fifteen days there are over thirty. Two thousand people infected so think about that. One person infected thirty two thousand people. So that's that's how quickly the virus can spread and it's because of compound it's because each person that gets infected they each in a couple of people it's not just that original person that's infecting additional people. Everyone that that person has infected infects new people as well so there's a famous example similar to this on the investment side where someone will give you the choice of would you rather have a penny that doubles each day for a month or one million dollars and I'll spare you the surprise but you can probably guess which one is. You'RE GONNA come out with with more money if you took the single penny and doubled it every day for a month you'd have five million three hundred sixty eight thousand seven hundred and nine dollars after thirty days so these two examples highlight the power of financial concept of compounding. Now let's let's talk a little bit about really how this works with investing so compounding interest that you can look at it as the interest at an investor earns on his original investment plus all the interest earned on the interest. That's accumulated overtime. So let's look at an example that will explain this and I will take simple interest which is the opposite of compounding interest. Which is just interest earned on your principle investment. So let's say you invest a thousand dollars in a bond that pays ten percent interest after year. One you would have received one hundred dollars of interest after you're too you'd have received another hundred dollars of interest after your three same thing another hundred dollars of interest. Let's say this goes on for for ten years at the end of the ten years? You have two thousand dollars so you would have your initial thousand dollars. Plus ten years of interest each year gained getting you a hundred dollars of interest so now let's look at a similar example but let's look at how compounding comes into play so let's say you're you're actually compound your interest in this case so we start off with that same thousand dollars. Investment in a bond that pays ten percent interest. So after your one. We're still the same. We received that same hundred dollars of interest. However it is reinvested in the bond. So next year you're too. We actually receive one hundred ten dollars of interest and that's because we're receiving interest on one thousand one hundred not one thousand dollars so after your three we actually receive one hundred and twenty one dollars of interest and if we do the same as the example above and we do it for ten years at the end of ten years we would have received two thousand five hundred ninety three dollars and that's your thousand dollar initial investment plus the additional thousand five hundred ninety three of interest that accumulated over that that time. So when you compare the two examples you'll have twenty five percent more at the end of the ten years if your interest compounds rather than if it's just straight linear interest and obviously the interest rate that you received and the length of time that your investment compounds it magnifies the overall return that you'll receive and one of my favourite investment types where you can take advantage of this is by looting dividend paying stocks in your portfolio and reinvesting dividend. So let's say you. Purchase Ten shares of Apple Stock and Apple pays a dividend that you reinvest and purchase another Sheriff Apple Stock. Now you have eleven shares of Apple. The next time apple pays a dividend. You receive a dividend on eleven chairs. And maybe you can purchase now tumour shares of Apple. This continues to go on and over time. You can accumulate a substantial portfolio. That kicks off a lot of cash flow so I worked with a number of people have done this over time and are using dividends solely to pay their retirement expenses on episode. Twenty of the podcast. I talked about using rental real estate to grow your portfolio and cash. Aw but rental. Real estate is a type of linear interest. And not compounded because if you think about it when you receive your rent and you pay your expenses your net income. That's left over. You can't reinvest it directly in that in existing rental property to get a higher rent. I mean you can implicitly do it by making some kind of capital improvements repairs that can increase the rent but whatever the the net income that you received. That's the net income that you're GONNA have. You're going to have to find something to do with it. But on that episode. I do talk about how you can build up your net income and use that to purchase additional properties. What does have a similar Effect compounding the other part of real estate that does have compounding aspect to it is your mortgage payment or your mortgage pay down over time so if you've ever looked at your mortgage amortization schedule. Which is the monthly month by month breakdown of your mortgage payment and how much goes to principle and how much is broken up and goes to interest. You'll see that at the beginning of the loan a majority. Your monthly payment goes to pay interest. But there's a little bit of that payment that goes towards the principal and reduces the principal that you owe on the loan so the next month the interest that you or pay is calculated on that slightly lower principal amount so the next month a little less goes to interest and a little more goes to principal. This repeats itself every month and pretty soon a majority of your payment is paying down the principal and a small amount going towards interest and one accelerate this even further is by paying an extra amount each month or an extra payment at the end of the year which solely of principal which lowers your principal even more and therefore more of your future payment ghost a principal and not interest so pretty cool calculation tool to figure out compound interest. And it's easy to do in your head is what's called the rule of seventy two so the rule says that to find the number of years required the double your money. At a given interest rate. All you have to do is divide that interest rate into seventy two so for example. If you want to know how long it would take two double your money at eight percent interest. You divide eight seventy two and it'll come out to nine years so we'll take nine years to double your money at eight percent interest rate so that wraps up this week show. I really just wanted to talk about a couple of concepts that we've been hearing about a lot in the coronavirus and show how they also applied to the finance and invest in world and I've been bombarded with a lot of questions recently about the cares act on my previous episodes. I talked about how best to take advantage of the stimulus package. You have any questions you can schedule. Call me by going to. My website bowed his financial dot com and on the top. Right is a link to schedule a call if you have any questions about investing and how you can take advantage of compounding interest. I would be happy to talk with you about those appreciate you tuning in today until next time this is Markdavis. Thank you for listening to the east of wealth. Podcast clicked the subscribe button below to be notified. When new episodes become available the information covered represents the views and opinions of the guests and does not necessarily represent the views or opinions about his financial. 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One on One With Dr. Fauci
"This episode is sponsored by Charles Schwab. In these uncertain times, Schwab remains invested in their clients by always striving to see the world to the investors is Schwab, better offers, personal guidance, dedicated service, and much needed clarity. Their commitment to these fundamental principles has helped. Their clients own their tomorrow since nineteen seventy-three. LEARN MORE AT SCHWAB DOT com on how Schwab is ready to help. We have a favorite ask. Our partners is conducting a survey and would be grateful for your help. In answering a few questions, it'll take less than ten minutes of your time and your participation help support our advertisers. Please go to PODCASTING SURVEY DOT COM to complete the short survey now, thanks! Dr Anthony Fauci by now. You probably know who he is, and you probably know how you feel about him. More than half of Americans say they think Thoug- -I the nation's top infectious disease. Expert is handling the corona virus well. But you know who isn't so sure about that. A little bit of enormous, okay little. I'm an alarm. Enormous. President. Trump and a few of his closest advisors have begun murmuring about Dr Fauci the last few days. They've been highlighting all the ways. The doctor has stumbled since this corona virus began spreading. This, is the president on Fox News over the weekend Dr Chee at the beginning, and again I have a great relationship with them I spoke to him at length. Dr Voucher. Said this will pass. Don't worry about this will pass. It was wrong. Dr Interview came at the end of a week in which the White House gave reporters anti-fouling talking points. It came after a top adviser to the president challenged. Dr Fao cheesy on the op-ed pages of USA Today. But, over the last few days, Dr, which has not been afraid to speak up in his own defense. So. We called him to talk about the politics at this moment. And the science to. Debtor. Did you just put on hand sanitizer I? Love it. You're always on point I'm always on point. I tried to be anyway. She gave us thirty minutes Monday afternoon just before he had to speed off to a coronavirus task force meeting. So, the rest of this show is that conversation lightly edited. The New York Times rannells story saying you know the chatter in Washington is what's happening with Dr, G. Do get asked that question directly. Do you want to answer it? Well you know a lot of what you've heard about. You know an editorial that was written. You know very. You know I think to the displeasure of most people in the White House that that by Peter Navarro Yeah I mean that's just a lot of noise. It's a whole bunch of nonsense that we need to just put aside and. On a very important task that we have to work together so when I hear and see those things you know as much as it might get into the New York Times and the Washington Post. You gotTA. Trust me. I try to pay as little attention to it as they possibly can. Just before we got on the line, there was this announcement. That president trump is going to bring back the daily. Corona virus briefings first one is Tuesday. Are you going to be there? I would imagine I am I, there's. There's been nothing official that I've heard about about that I've heard the same sort of rumor that you've heard that. We're going to be getting back to the daily briefings, but I haven't heard anything definitively, but that doesn't matter. That likely will happen anyway but I. I would imagine that I'll be there if it does occur. Your role in the coronavirus response has shifted over the course of the pandemic. Could you walk me through Your Life Right now? Do you really know? Actually know a typical day I mean I. Do have a so for example today it's morning now. Actually it's early afternoon I'm actually been in my office working with my team in the development of vaccines and in therapies and diagnostics this afternoon soon after we finish this discussion. I will rush downtown to the White House, where I will spend time with the coronavirus task force will be doing a governor's call to help the governor's as they work their way through this difficult situation that many of the governors. Conferred with my team, not my team, but the team that I'm a part of down at the White House very likely I'll get time to chat considerably with the vice president, and then come back and continue to work here so it's a pack day. You know it's a really quite packed. There's someone you're not mentioning which is, it sounds like you don't plan on meeting with the President I actually. Actually, probably not today if what you say is true that we will have a briefing that I might seem tomorrow I spoke with the president, a lengthy conversation I had with him at the end of last week. I don't think I'll see him today, but there's not a plan for me to see him today, but if there is a briefing, tomorrow is quite conceivable. That I'll see him. Given other back and forth over the course of this past week. T fear fear job at all. No, no, it depends on what you mean my job. I my job is as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. I have no fear of all about that the job of being A. Member of the coronavirus task force I have been insured by the President and by everyone in the White House that we are fine I mean I think that's all chatter that you hear I. Don't think there's any reason for anybody to want. Remove me from the coronavirus task force if they do, I will leave and go back to my day job, which is trying to develop a vaccine and therapies against covid nineteen. Well, it's felt like this kind of public affairs wrestling match with various folks speaking out and notably Mitch McConnell came out, and said his faith in you is total, which is a big thing, but then we saw these pictures of McConnell in the White House. Just today. And he's with the president. And no one is wearing a mask. I wonder when you see pictures like that. If you just like bang, your head against a wall. No if I Bang my head against the wall for everything. That bothered me I. D I wouldn't be speaking to you now. I actually obviously am an you know I'm very very blissett about the fact that I feel that masks are really important and everyone. Should there a mask when they're outside in contact? With People We should distances probably as important a more important than anything. Try to keep physical distancing where amass because often. You cannot because circumstances that you put into. maintain the adequate and appropriate physical distancing, but yes I will take this opportunity to say that we really must emphasize physical distancing and mask usage. After the break more from Dr out she. This. Episode is sponsored by Zen Desk. Things are a little weird right now. The sudden change in the world and the world of business has created new. Challenges. Zen Desk is here to help. 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If you look at the numbers, they don't lie I mean we have a situation, but typically in certain states, mostly southern states that over the last several weeks have had a substantial. Resurgence of cases to to record numbers. In cases that you get ultimately will lead sooner or later to increase in hospitalizations. which ultimately will lead to an increase in deaths? And that's what we're starting to see right now. You sound alarmed, well it. It's something that we need to address. And some states will. In fact, the ones that are most severely involved certainly have to put a pause on the reopening, and maybe take a step or two back and take a look at the things that we have to do, and that is no crowds closed. The BAUZ masks physical distancing. And there's no doubt from the scientific data. That we and others and even other countries have accumulated over this trying period of several months that we've been through that. If you do that, we can turn it around. We should not despair throw a hands up and say Oh, my goodness, this is out of control. We can get it under control. There's no doubt about that. We just need to do certain fundamental things. Things, but back a little bit because you know a few months ago, you spoke to a reporter for the New York Times and you talked about how your focus was on opening up the right way, and you are so honest. You're like we know if we open up. We're GONNA. See the cases go up and so we need to be prepared for that eventuality. But I have to say I look around right now I look at the wait times and the lines for testing in places like Florida and Texas and I just think. Did those preparations happen well I? Mean obviously that's a very good question. If you look at the result of what's going on, we can say that something did not go right. You are absolutely correct when I think back about things that I said back. The daily White House press conferences, and we were talking about opening America again. When we first introduced the criteria, the gateway, the phase, one the face to face three. You can recall and look on the record of what I said. I said. It is important that we all start moving towards reopening the country getting the economy back. Back all the important things that go along with that, but I said back then it is critical that we do it in a measured prudent way, and even when we do it correctly, we have to get the cooperation of the citizens of the cities of the states and of the regions that we're dealing with. You can't have a situation where you're trying to prudently open, and then you see the pictures and the films and the clips. Of What we've seen about people congregating in crowds at bars, no masks, no physical distancing I mean that that's just the recipe to get into the kind of trouble. We've gotten into we. You're saying you know people are gathering in. You're seeing these photos of people at and on beaches and things like that, but isn't that the message they're getting is also really confused and confusing potentially. It's possible. Yes, I, think you. We can't deny that there. Are you know some aspects of mixed messages that you're getting from different local leaders in national leaders, or what have you? It's it it. It is what it is, but we've gotTA overcome that we've got to overcome it. We've gotta try as best as possible I wonder. If you look at what's happening now, and you're thinking about the fall, too, because there had been this idea that the virus could be seasonal and I wonder if you're looking at this surge. And thinking if we're having this surge. In the middle of the summer or sort of keeping the infection rate high. And then we're going to really get walloped when it gets colder. Weather, that is certainly conceivable, and that gets back to another thing that I have been trying to articulate when I get involved in interviews like this. Is that. The best place to be. When you do get a situation like the fall in the winter where there may be the appearance of more cases is to be at the lowest baseline that you could possibly be and one of the. In this country that have been particularly problematic is that if you look at our curve and? It to the curve. Let's say of the European Union. In general, their cases went way up, but when they brought it down, they brought it down to essentially a baseline which means tens or maybe hundreds of cases, not thousands and tens of thousands of cases. If you look at us right now in the summer when I would hope that we could get down as low as we possibly can before the fall. Our baseline never got down below around twenty thousand per day, and then it was twenty twenty twenty, and then over recent weeks as you well know, we've gone up to thirty, forty, fifty sixty, and even seventy thousand cases given all that. What should the fall look like like? We're talking so much about schools now because parents are looking at you know four to six weeks until. When they would typically be sending their kids to schools, so, should we be thinking about that? Even given how high the case numbers are right now well I. Mean I think when you talk about schools. You have to put some general principles, and then you've got fashion it to the local on the ground. Situation is so as a general concept. I think. It's important that to the best of our ability within the realm of safety and attention to the health and the welfare of the children and the teachers, we should try as best as possible as the default position to try and get the children back to school and the school's open. Having said that. We live in a very large country that is very heterogeneous, demographically and geographically, and there will be. Counties region cities of our country in which there's very little activity of viral spread, so you could with impunity opened up the schools there with no problem, but they're going to be places that are hot as it were hot in the sense of a lot of cases that are now being transmitted. That occurs. You may need to take a second look and say now wait a minute if we are going to open, we're either going to be in such bad shape that we can't open or if we are going to open, we've got creatively figure out a way to mitigate the risk of transmission. But doing it that way I hear what you're saying, but doing that way on it that way on that individual basis, it also introduces so much room for error because you're asking individual school districts and principals and superintendents to make this public health call. Is that fair? You know actually you make a good point. And that's the reason why the CDC has guidelines for that and I would encourage the leaders, and I've spoken to many of the leaders of school district, superintendents and principals about the kinds of creative things that they can do, and they can be helped by the. CDC The CDC has guidelines for that and they should. Should not hesitate to contact the CDC about that I mean one of the things is kind of hybrid a well, either you have part of the day for class part of the day, not alternate days physical separating in the class. I know it's difficult, sometimes logistically do that, but to try and separate the desks depending upon the age of the children to get them to wear masks, have some of the children be online and do virtual learning and others in the class, but I must say as I started off, even though the default position would be to try as best as you can't to open it paramount above everything. To be the safety and the welfare of the children and the teachers. I have one more thread to ask you about if you can make time. which is. I noticed in some reporting this weekend. The New York Times it was a long bit of reporting kind of looking at how we got here, looking at how we got the surge in cases, and how the White House had made a decision to give more authority to the states and let them make their own choices, and we can see now that for many states this the consequences of that don't look very pretty. But you're discussed in this article. And what was interesting to me was that it talked about the fact that like every night you're going home and calling public health officials. Around the country. To say what's happening where you are, you did this kind of epidemiology on your own and I'm wondering why you thought that was important. Well The reason I felt. As important is that I am fundamentally physician and a scientist I have been in the trenches I have been in emergency rooms, treating patients. I have treated bowl. The patients at the NIH I spent decades in the early part of my career in the trenches, treating desperately ill HIV infected individuals so I'm not just. Somebody's sitting in a room. In Washington in a pining about things. I know what it's like in the trenches, so I felt. That since that has been my life experience. Let me go out. Call up! People I know in New York in New Orleans and Los. Angeles Washington DC Seattle San Francisco where all people I know. My friends are and find out. Is there any disconnect is what's going on in the ground? What we perceive is going on as we sit in Washington and I have found that sometimes the dots don't get connected, and you got to put a little extra effort into connecting the dots, because many of the people with telling me that, even though there's a lot of testing what's happening? Is that sometimes? You have to wait several days to get a result of the test and when you're doing contact tracing. That if you have to wait several days like six seven eight days then you almost nullify the purpose of contact tracing. And you don't know that when you're just sitting in a room and saying well, you know we have X. number of tests. We did yesterday or five times x number of tests. We did yesterday. I think that's important. But what I wanted to find out is what is the real impact of that testing? And that's the reason why call people up and try and find out. You still having those phone calls. Yeah What are you hearing now? You know I I'm going to have one. I think to the tomorrow's Tuesday. Yeah. I'm going to have one tomorrow now to let you know. Thank you for taking the time and my pleasure. It's good to be with you. Thank you for inviting me. Dr Anthony Fauci is the director of the National Institute of Allergy Infectious Diseases. The also advises the White House. And that's the show. What next is produced by Mary? Wilson Jason Leone and Daniel Hewitt. We're getting a little help from Daniel Avis this week. Alison Benedict and Elizabeth Montgomery are always there to lend a hand special. Thanks to Katie Raeford she helped. Make this episode possible. I'm Mary. Harris! We'll be back in your feed with more one next tomorrow.
Industry Calls for New Incentives to Spur Development of New Antibiotics
"Leading a startup team whether delivering a sugar rush stocking coffee or getting a regular delivery of snacks. Office Depot has solutions that fit every startup culture from getting those first business cards and stationery to ordering fleece pullovers with your new logo to learn how Office Depot in the California technology council. Have partnered to bring you savings on all of these startup essentials and more go to California technology dot org forward slash member benefits. I'm Daniel Levin. And this is the bio report. As concerns grow about the rise of antibiotic resistant drugs. The ability to combat them is undermined by the economics of antibiotic drug development, many large pharmaceutical companies stepped away from the space, and despite the passage of the gain act in two thousand twelve and government investment in antibody, research and development drug companies. Argue more action is needed. We spoke to Michael Dunn chief scientific officer at interim therapeutics about the state of the antibiotic arsenal today the challenges drug developer's face, and whether congress will be willing to provide the industry incentives to address the Seidel needs at a time. When there's growing at a mossy towards the industry over issues such as pricing. Michael, thanks for joining us. We're gonna talk about the anti crop Bula innovation alliance. The state our of our antibiotic arsenal. And a recent letter the alliance sent to lawmakers calling for passage of doing sentence to reinvigorate the antibiotic development pipeline. Let's start with the anti microbial innovation alliance. Who is it? The end of microbial invasion of lines is a collection of larger pharmaceutical companies that are very interested in in developments within the infection. These face many of whom were previously developing antibiotics and now on are just watching on the sidelines. Organization that said I'm closer to is the antimicrobial working group which different alliance with similar objectives. The were about a dozen or sale of the lower dozen companies her smaller biotech companies that are now doing a lot of work in order to bring you antibiotics. What's the mission of that organization? Well, this is this is a group of interested five ten company that are trying to work with congress in order to help them understand what the needs are company like ours in ORs v able to provide just new antibiotics that need the that's on a discovery level of very earliest ages of that to Gatien as well as on the development side in on the commercialization side. There are things that are going on. Now that naked difficult for companies to be able to be productive and continue to focus their investments in infectious diseases. And we think members of the house, then it should be aware of what the issues are from our perspective because I think at the end of the day, we all want the same thing, which is Anna Vallat be able to preview infections. I think there's things that congress consume. Now, you're going to help us stay on track. There are two related trends. We often hear about that are concerned about the state of this is the rise of. Resistant and the rise of resistance superbugs. What's the medical need today? There's a growing need every day to make sure we have antibiotics treat some of these more resistant bacteria, Athens used to be in a circumstance where we have election about onyx that works very well against a broad collection of organisms over time. However, because we haven't been able to introduce you -biotics, he with assistance rates were now starting to get shoved by organisms, which developing mechanisms to the antibiotics that we always used who able to replace those in the hospital. Now, we're seeing many patients get treated of for infections with that really don't work as a challenge for the doctor to know what to start Asians on member station show up sick in the emergency room. And they get started in about it. But we don't actually know what organs were trying to treat. So you have to start with something. But when there's a lot of resistance in the. Community. You can get your first choice. And then about it wrong in these new antibiotics are targeting resistant packages as well as the old sensitive actions. So that you get that first choice that Ovonic right, right? From the beginning. How significant would you say the economic or societal consequences of this? Oh, yeah. They can getting bigger about twenty three thousand patients died because resistant antibiotic just an infection just last year alone. And some of those numbers need the on the conservative side. So we have a growing problem that a lot of people are are being impacted by. And we really need to find a solution for that. It's really not acceptable this day and age to have people in jeopardy because of resistance to antibiotics when we do have the capabilities to make these new out of otics just need to make sure we have all the appropriate incentives in place to be able to while private sector to get out there and these new drugs. A global phenomena are either areas of the world where this is a bigger concern. Great point. Yes, we live in a global world rice in resistance traveled all around the world and these organisms move from one country to the next sometimes the resistance develops in areas far away from the US. And for one reason other made it into our ecosystem nothing we have to deal with there are pockets of infections in various places in India, for example, with a lot of resistance will be called in gram negative organisms. Too. Many the antibiotics that we have now those are very scary because they they can kill you pretty fast and resistance. The air has now traffic into the US and Europe. There are other hotspots for specific organisms. But I think the point that you just brought up which is really good is that is not just resistant to their own backyard. The resistance that outside of our country that will come here at some point something tackles. I asked you about resistance. I talked about that as being one of two major trends. The other trend is the move away from the development of new antibiotics occurred for many of the world's largest pharmaceutical companies over the past decade or so in terms of innovation. How big a problem is this and why is it happening? Well, that's a really good question too. And it's something that's been growing over the last couple of decades. It's. Well, let me see if I can start here. I think it is challenging to come up with new antibiotics to treat these resistant organisms. I it's not like we can just pluck them out of the ground or something. We really have to work really hard to find new approaches to treat these resistant, Athens and large companies than working really hard to do that. But haven't been quite as productive as they had hosts so many of the large discovery programs that are out there. Trying to renew antibiotics out headed challenge with productivity that in and of itself is something we see there's demollari she's happening in other therapy the area, but it's just one of the number of factors, which are making companies Hawes about just jumping into find new drugs beyond that, then there's all the cost of development and the uncertainty in the development process self where Harvey's been hundreds of millions of dollars taking drugs into clinical trial before they get in. Return for all that cost beyond that. Then we have some commercial hurdles which have appeared, you know, again, I think for good reason policies that made sense to tackle certain specific problems. We're trying to address, but unfortunately, there was some unintended consequences of the policy folks on the reimbursement mechanisms in place for antibiotic use. So Medicare and a lot of the private insurance companies. They tried to help streamline. The cost of patient care by building efficiencies into the system, and they provide hospitals at certain amount of reimbursement. For type of of if you have a the Mon you get a certain amount of money. Begging twelve thousand fifty thousand dollars for that admission all the care for that Asian then comes under that with call. Jeez. Related grouping reimbursement and the challenge for the hospital then being able to to feel that they can use new antibiotics typically cost more because of all development expense, which getting the drug out target rather than using generic trucks. So we find that that there's a challenge in being able to see uptake of new antibiotics in the marketplace because of some of these distance sentece using drugs which cost more than generics. That you understand the policy overall because it's trying to maintain costs in the healthcare sector. It makes sense at a high level, but the unintended consequences. Add is that restricts the ability for new antibiotics actually, get us. That's pure was another concern that that doctors have again, a valid concern that we overused antibiotics, we don't use them in the right for the right patient at the right time. We have the chance to develop resistance to then about IX among the 'Bacterial that are getting treated. So we wanna use the right drug at the right time. This has been translated, however, g using the new drugs, infrequently, and what that makes sense. That's kind of a double whammy again being able to actually Ray your drug to market and have a commercially successful products because there's regions restrict use to make sure that we don't over you the antibiotic indulges well as they're expensive. So the art G mechanism prevents reversers two things have not worked to be. Able to show to larger farms companies, and for example, and I shouldn't say just locked any investor in this area and able to show a return for all the investment relatives to what they could get if they invested in other therapy to areas that do need good drugs. Cancer Neeraj genetic disease. All these places you have truck and the incentives develop drugs for those areas are easier to understand and more reliable than what's been happening, as you know, all those factors together start to lay out in case for not investing infectious diseases. If your if your investments for retirement. Let me ask you about one more. I take it companies are concerned about their ability to recoup their investment in our d because of the patient which resistance to new drugs develops is that a problem, and and how quickly do new antibiotics start to see resistant strains develop against them. That's another great question. I think that depends civically on the in the bug that it's targeting, and they're different rates resistance that that happened depending on that matchup the drug and the buck. I'd say you get a feel for that drugs. That are used broadly over example, antibiotics, which were you very broadly for outpatient sections after about ten or twelve years of us three or four percent of the organism resistance to the that class and from there just to off. And now you're seeing twenty five percent of organisms resistant after another day hangers on the market. So twenty years after their introduced the resistance rates are really to the point where you can't feel confident using that class that biotic. Empirically? So using it without actually knowing what the organism is what? That is actually we've seen a number of small biotech step into the fray, what is the pipeline? Look like today. And are we seeing these companies filled a gap? The companies are working diligently to bring. New antibiotics forward all the resources that they have available. There simply aren't enough shots on goal. Zeh right now should be able to feel what reef are going be the needs of the future. And there are new -biotics which are moving to the pipeline. But there's really just not enough of them. There's probably a dozen or so that are in in people right now with given the the the attrition rate we see in this area. No more than two or three of those will probably get out the actual antibiotics in the marketplace and for reasons way to safety or efficacy or other things. So we need more in the pipeline in order to ensure that we have something coming out at the other end, which will mean sided needs to deal with resistance action in two thousand twelve congress passed the game at this was intended to brought vita seven senses that would encourage companies to pursue the discovery and development of new app. Attics? What did it provide? That was a major step forward for congress in. They really get a lot of credit for stepping up to help this sector get you a better place. And I think the gang ex the significantly did two things that were reported. The first is that it extended a period of regulatory exclusivity for older amp by they weren't covered under pet. So if you had something on the shelf that didn't quite make it out and you under the gain act you'd be able to put it out market in ten years of regulatory vividly, which based with us you quivalent, basically patents. The second thing. It does did was accelerate the review time. So instead of spending a year year and a half under review at the FDA, these particular drugs, these antibiotics reviewed in eight months, and that has really been great in order to stimulate interest in getting back into the velvet. Unfortunately. One one intervention like that is probably not enough to manage all various hurdles that we we see now as someone developing drug of I we probably need a bundle of incentives in order to help us and healthy investors who are investing enough feel comfortable that at some point will bring good drugs debases, meet patient care need, but also have return on investment. There's also been a number of efforts that have provided government funding for antibiotic discovering development. How extensive these efforts hasn't made a meaningful difference. Yes, you're there. Congress has supported further investment in the National Institute of allergy and infectious disease in order to further anti infective research and just better understanding of infections overall, and that's been great really need that kind of basic research to understand area. They've all supported funding a Mexico arda which had provided quite a bit of actual support for for numerous different companies at fairly substantial amount. So that's been a great invest that help people get through that was earlier stages of development when the cost and clinical trials, for example are quite expensive. And there's a small organization called carve X, which is also providing money at a smaller scale for discovery level efforts also very valuable to help stimulate interest in the area. Those have been great things that has been supported by the government. I think that things that he the. Industry overall, and that's a consortium of interested parties eight as you mentioned, he goes eight WG, which part, of course, companies all these America, many civic, large companies like Pfizer GS future. We all got together in this lead of it. You mentioned earlier and tried to lay out the case for why we in congress could really help stimulate interest here by providing from bundle of incentives. Help is over the Goldline's village would be an post FDA approval will be called full incentives. So would that would go to companies that successfully developed and not about an got FDA approval that would lead to Dave allies ING the market that we see now, and and allowing some predictability for the investment in the area. And at the end of the day all of us that put our resources in. These efforts with no action. There's a way to have a sustainable mechanism for developing you wrote and that that makes things various are in each acts credits other taxes than his ways in which reimbursement in the justed. And there's been some movement congress that just that fixing GR G issue. So that anti infective are not necessarily penal been done for other quests than drugs like pain. Medicines that are used to off what sinning ages hospital, and there's other ideas are kicking around like low interest loan those kind of conversations I think will be fruitful at the end of the day. And I think just being part of this discussion with my group, you can see that the members of both the house and Senate now understand this issue that it is really important for us to the country be able to develop out -biotics because move on -biotics lose a lot support for. Various rest that we that. We have to as a rega-. I think the message is never been clear the uptake from the members has been great. I think they do understand exam with these. She was a now we just have to roll up our sleeves and find a way with them legislation together that everybody's need and get these incentives out there for companies day drugs-free. This is coming at a time that there doesn't seem to be a lot of love for the industry in congress. Do the ongoing controversies over pricing at one end of the industry threatened establishing the types of incentives, you're seeking regardless if there's a societal need that justifies them. That's a great point to having all the conversations that are happening around. This topic are really robust, and they bring in perspective as you described. As well as the perspectives about well, we just need to have something seem like more anti infective development. So there's a whole series of conversations that touch on all these different issues. I think at the end of the day, the incentives will make sense they will help patients get new drugs that going to be good for society at the end of the day, and the type of incentives that provided will be measured. So that there's not an overly burdensome effect on the government overall. But will cheese the goal at the end of the day, which is to get patients antibiotics affection chief scientific officer interim therapeutics Michael thanks so much for your time today. Anytime. Thanks for listening. The buyer report is a production of the Levin media group. Automatically downloaded this podcast each week subscribe to our RSS feed or through IT tunes or other podcasts manager Joyner mailing lists, go to Levin media group dot com. We'd love to hear from you. If you wanna drop us a line or interested in sponsoring this podcast, send Email to Danny at Levin media group dot com. Special facts to Giovene who host or teams and the Johnny bean collective which performs.
Wed. 03/11 - WHO Declares Pandemic; U.S. Cases Top 1,000; How Far Are We From A Vaccine?
"This is the corona virus daily briefing for Wednesday March Eleventh Twenty Twenty. I'm Brian McCullough. The World Health Organization has officially labeled the Kovic Nineteen crisis a pandemic why our children less susceptible to the corona virus is China beginning to win the battle against the disease. And what is the status on a vaccine? Well it is official the World Health Organization has labeled the Global Cova nineteen outbreak a pandemic quoting. Cnbc in the past two weeks. The number of cases China has increased thirteen fold and the number of affected countries has tripled W. H. O. Director General Dr Tetris and Henham Gabe Rhesus told reporters on a conference call in the days and weeks ahead. We expect to see the number of cases the number of deaths and the number of affected countries. Climb even higher and quote. Who officials have been reluctant up until now to categorize the virus as a global pandemic which is generally defined as an illness that spreads far and wide throughout the world and quote quoting further from the director. General statement quote pandemic is not a word to use lightly or carelessly. It is a word that if misuse can cause unreasonable fear or unjustified acceptance that the fight is over leading to unnecessary suffering and death describing the situation as a pandemic does not change. Who's assessment of the threat posed by THIS CORONA VIRUS? It doesn't change what. Who is doing and it doesn't change. What countries should do if countries detect test treat isolate trace and mobilizer people in the response those with a handful of cove in nineteen cases can prevent those cases becoming clusters? And those clusters becoming community transmission. We have called every day for countries to take urgent and aggressive action. We have rung the Alarm Bell Loud and clear and quote. The number of confirmed cases in the United States topped a thousand for the first time overnight the cases in the US at the time of this recording are one thousand and thirty nine. According to Johns Hopkins University data thirty seven states and the District of Columbia have confirmed cases. There have been thirty. One confirmed deaths. South Dakota announced that states I five cases and first death from cove in nineteen yesterday Massachusetts announced fifty one new cases in just a single day that brings the total number of presumptive cases in Massachusetts to ninety two a one hundred and twenty four percent increase in a day. Six people are hospitalized. There Governor Baker has declared a state of emergency. They're seventy of the ninety. Two cases in Massachusetts are apparently related to a single conference that the Biotech Company biogen held near Boston recently quoting CNN. Last week biogen announced that three people who had attended a company meeting in Boston in February tested positive for corona virus. Any employee who attended the meeting was directed to work from home for two weeks. The company said Massachusetts Public Health Commissioner. Monika Barrel said Tuesday that she couldn't say exactly when her office was alerted to the positive tests from the conference and quote so the majority of cases in Boston where the result of a single infection chain that happened all the way back in February as Infectious Disease Epidemiologists Microbiologists Mark Lips itch. Tweeted quote the number of new cases reported daily in the. Us Are not new. They are newly discovered as we start to tess. More testing is still completely inadequate. An actual case numbers are much larger than the numbers were hearing because most cases never get tested and quote the TSA has confirmed that three TSA officers at the San Jose International Airport in California has tested positive for cove in nineteen quote. The officers are receiving medical care and TSA employees. They have come in contact with over. The past. Fourteen days are quarantined at home. The TSA said in a statement quote screening checkpoints remain open and the agency is working with the CDC as well as the California Department of Public Health and the Santa Clara County Public Health Department to monitor the situation as well as the health and safety of our employees and the traveling public. The agency said in a statement the agency said no other information was available including win the officers tested positive for the potentially deadly respiratory disease where they were stationed in the airport or the number of employees under quarantine and quote. There are now more than one hundred. Nineteen thousand confirmed cases worldwide with new cases growing particularly rapidly in Europe. There have been four thousand two hundred ninety two cove in nineteen associated deaths. Globally Italy now has more than ten thousand confirmed cases when Italy reported one hundred. Sixty eight new deaths by late afternoon yesterday. One hundred sixty eight new deaths in a single day that exceeded the highest number of deaths in a single day for the entire world. Not just one country the entire world since the crisis began it is more than the deaths reported for any single day in China. Since the outbreak began there is a chart from the Financial Times that shows that case numbers in European countries that have recently begun to report. Infections have been tracking on a thirty three percent daily rise rate. This is on pace with what Italy has experienced over the past two weeks it is merely that the UK France and Germany among others are not as far along the path as Italy is yet linked to the chart in the show the regular flu as with most respiratory infections is especially dangerous for children and seniors. But not so for children with Cova nineteen it seems kids are getting infected with corona virus. But not getting as sick as adults quoting from the Washington Post. One of the few mercies of the spreading corona virus is that it leaves young children virtually untouched a mystery virologist say may hold vital clues to how the virus works in China only two point four percent of reported cases where children and only zero point two percent of reported cases where children who got critically ill. According to the World Health Organization. China has reported no case of a young child dying of the disease. Meanwhile the new corona virus has proved especially deadly on the other end of the age spectrum. The fatality rate in China for those over eighty is estimated at twenty one point nine percent per the. Who FOR AGES TEN TO THIRTY NINE HOVER? The fatality rate is roughly zero point two percent according to a separate study drawing on patient records of forty four thousand confirmed cases and fatalities and severe symptoms are almost nonexistent. In even younger ages and quote a new study by epidemiologists in the US and China revealed that while kids aren't immune to covet nineteen. They're far less likely to have severe symptoms of the disease if they show symptoms at all. We don't yet know why this is the case but this is similar to the way the SARS coronavirus behaves tending despair kids while proving troublesome for adults speculation is mounting in the scientific community as to the reason Stanley Perlman a virologist and pediatric infectious disease specialist. At the University of Iowa told wired quote. We know the lung environment really matters with this class of respiratory viruses. As people age that lung environment changes it gets pelted with pollen and pollution and the body responds with inflammation. A history of inflammation may impact. How well you do with Corona viruses and quote. This behavior has been reported a study with mice as well with older mice. Having a far tougher time dealing with the Krahn virus infections due to producing a more aggressive immune response causing more damage the neat mastery a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch told The Washington Post quote. It's the aggressive response from their immune system that is damaging them even more than the infection itself. It's like police responding to a misdemeanor with a SWAT team crashing through the door and quote. The study hasn't revealed however why younger mice don't suffer the same fate research is ongoing to discover exactly why kids seem to have an easier time handling the cove in nineteen virus. In the meantime the fact that kids can get infected with Karnal virus while displaying mild if any symptoms suggests children may actually be an important vector for spreading the Disease Justin Lesser Infectious Disease Epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Told wired if we thought that kids weren't getting infected then closing schools might be creating undue hardship for people with no real upside but the data suggests that closing schools might be an important thing to do to prevent onward transmission and quote and that process appears to begin underway with several educational institutions in the US opting to switch to remote learning after spring break. Christopher mims of the Wall Street Journal recently did an interview with the CO author of a report for the Center for Health Security on the impact of Corona virus. He spoke with Dr. Eric Toner from Johns Hopkins. Mims asked Dr Toner. What he believed would be the ultimate number of infected or hospitalized corona virus cases in the. Us Dr Toner said it would be somewhere between the following. In a moderate scenario there would be thirty eight million Americans needing medical care one million Americans requiring hospitalizations and two hundred thousand requiring ICU. In a very severe scenario thirty eight million Americans would need medical care so the exact same number but nine point six million would require hospitalization and two point nine million Whitney ICU. So the good doctor expects. The outbreak will be somewhere between those two brackets again. Those numbers are way above the medical systems current capacity to cope. There is a link to the tweet storm in the show notes. That has this chart plus a link to the report that it comes from quitting Christopher mims subsequent tweet storm about this interview quote you may never get sick from corona virus indeed notes. Dr Toner Ninety percent of US won't but eventually he believes most of us are going to get it. We have never in history even tried to contain a virus with these exact characteristics. He says and it will return to China to do we close schools. We basically can't for more than a week or two. He responded because then society grinds to a halt. We could wreck our entire society and economy if we close them too long also. It's not clear that children are a major vector for corona virus though. I'm doing an aside right here. Obviously the previous segment suggests that that might not turn out to be the case. We don't know yet continuing to quote this report is based on the. Us government's own analysis of possible pandemic outcomes from two thousand seventeen. It's the best we have for now says Dr. Toner and quote are the severe measures taken by China to stop the spread of Corona virus. Actually beginning to work. There are some early indications. That suggest that may be the case as cases diminish in the wake of what the WHO. China joint mission called quote the most ambitious. Agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history and quote state broadcaster. China Central Television says eleven out of fourteen shelter hospitals in outbreak epicenter. Wuhan have been closed quoting from sixth tone woman had converted fourteen public venues including stadiums and exhibition centres into makeshift hospitals known as fan king to ease the burden on hospitals flooded with cove nineteen patients as of Sunday afternoon. Eleven of the fourteen shelter hospitals had been closed while the remaining three still have around one hundred patients officials from the National Health Commission said they plan to close all fourteen shelter hospitals which treated over twelve thousand cove in nineteen patients in total by March tenth. According to see see. Tv however some of the facilities will still be kept intact. In case of an outbreak. Resurgence and quote a new study has examined the measures taken in. Wuhan and concluded that containment efforts had a significant effect. The study's authors wrote quote taken together both the epidemiological characteristics and our modeling estimates demonstrated that the aggressive disease containment efforts including isolation of the source of infection contact tracing and quarantine social distancing and personal protection and prevention have considerably changed the course of coveted nineteen outbreak in. Wuhan when there were neither effective drugs nor vaccines for this new infectious disease with high transmission. Our analyses also have important implications for other countries where there is a sharp surge cove in nineteen cases and at the early stage of the epidemic to combat the outbreak with ready preparedness prompt response and evidence based strategies the global community can be unified to battle the seemingly unstoppable pandemic an quote. America's national stockpile of face masks has not been replenished in more than ten years. It emerged yesterday. The masks stored in the strategic national stockpile. The United States stockpile of critical medical supplies were last deployed in two thousand nine during the H. One N one flu pandemic at that time. More than eighty-five million masks meeting the N Ninety five standard were deployed and it turns out. They weren't replenished. Afterwards quoting from the Washington Post the stockpiles reserves were not significantly restored after the two thousand nine pandemic in the view of industry and public health experts with a limited budget of about six hundred million dollars annually officials in charge of the stockpile focused on what they say with a more pressing priority lifesaving drugs and equipment for diseases and disasters that emerged before the new corona virus which has no vaccine or specific antiviral treatment and quote experts. Estimate that the US would need three and a half billion masks in the event of a severe pandemic health and Human Services Secretary. Alex are said the. Us has only twelve million and ninety five masks in the stock pile up to five million. More masks may be expired. The availability of masks or otherwise has come into focus this week. After Washington state asked for two hundred and thirty-three thousand and ninety five masks and received only half that number officials have said since that the state will receive more masks and HHS has committed to earning five hundred million and ninety five mass over the next eighteen months still short of that potential three and a half billion needed to cope with a severe outbreak of respiratory disease. Given all that and given the fact that we haven't discussed it yet on the show let's check in. On the status of a potential vaccine a vaccine from moderna pharmaceuticals a company based in Massachusetts is likely to be the first corona virus vaccine tested in humans with a phase one clinical trial expected to get underway this month however it's likely to be twelve to eighteen months before such a vaccine becomes more widely available quoting from the MIT technology review. The first volunteer could get shot by mid month at the Kaiser. Permanente Washington health research institute in Seattle. A city rocked by a corona virus. Outbreak doctors will monitor the healthy volunteers for reactions and check to see if their bodies start producing antibodies to the virus. Researchers can take their blood and see if it neutralizes the virus in laboratory tests depending on the level of antibodies in their blood serum those. Antibodies should attached to the spike protein and blocked the virus from entering cells. If that safety test goes smoothly it may be possible to begin. Phase two trials by summer to determine whether vaccinated people are protected from the contagion and quote that second phase would according to Dr Anthony. F- Ouchi of the National Institute of Allergy and infectious disease involved giving doses of the potential vaccine to a large population near a cove nineteen hotspot and then assessing over the subsequent year to eighteen months whether it has really reduced the risk of infection. Also at issue vaccine technologies. Like the ones being developed by MODERNA are unproven quoting again. From the MIT Technology Review MODERNA MAKES 'EM RNA. Vaccines basically it. Embeds the genetic instructions for a component of a virus into a nanoparticle which can then be injected into a person although new methods like Moderna lightning-fast to prepare they have never led to a licensed vaccine for sale end quote to new listeners. Who joined us today since we were featured on Apple? Podcast this morning. Please subscribe to the show so you can get shows as soon as they come out. We release episodes as close to five PM eastern as possible every weekday. And as I mentioned yesterday we try to show our work as much as possible. The show notes for every episode include links to stories. We have drawn news from so you can read in greater depth on your own. The current virus daily briefing is produced by ride home media The Daily News podcast company. This episode was written by myself. Brian McCullough and James Welch edited by James Welch. Be well everybody talk to you tomorrow.
Predicting A Pandemic With Ed Yong
"We are a country of great contradictions. Virus and every way has laid bare the ways in which we operate to worlds simultaneously. One Hand. We're a country that prides itself on being head of the curve when it comes to medicine, technology science. Yet in the winter of twenty twenty. None of this mattered much. To most Americans I mean I've mentioned this before on this program about how in March just days before the lockdown I've been at a conference a bunch with a friend. Later discover that person would test positive cove nineteen. Now over one hundred days into the pandemic. It's clear we had no idea what was in store for us as a nation as a world. But there are some people out there who did? People who knew a global pandemic was right around the corner. And today we're talking to one of them about how unprepared we are, and what this means for us. The Nation seems to have. Almost surrendered like throwing up. And given up this fight which is. A bizarre situation. I think such. A really difficult summer ahead. Media this telescope I'm your host Jonathan. Monday Wednesday and Friday. We bring you. Stories of people who are far away. And how each of us or learning to live through this back? Two years ago Ed Young wrote a story for the Atlantic. The headline was is America ready for a global pandemic. Alert. The answer was no. In this article, he talked about the ways. The US was equipped. It has a robust public health agency. The CDC the National Institutes of Health, nationwide vaccination programs, and some of the best research hospitals in the world. But there were problems on the horizon. Public Health in this country is generally under-funded. and. We've had shortages of medical supplies in the past like during Hurricane Maria. Containing pandemic requires massive coordination at both the local and the national level at road. Getting stockpiles of masks out of warehouses hospitals finding space to quarantine sick patients, doctors need two documents, symptoms and share information. In that twenty eighteen story ED quoted the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease Anthony Fauci a guy who we all know. Now he says quote. It's like a chain. One weak link and the whole thing falls apart. You need no weak links unquote. Ed May have sounded the alarm on global pandemic, but like everyone else. In March, his mind wasn't on cove it. Back then he was taking time off from the Atlantic to work on a book, but as New York City started to see an uptick in Cova nineteen cases. He put his book on pause and started covering the virus fulltime. In March. When it became clear, not only that this was a pandemic, and it was going to be a defining generational event, but that America, in particular was not ready for it anywhere near the extended people food to was at first Ed had faith that the US could gear up and avoid a task. It has not it. It really has failed in quite spectacular way and I think the scenes of that failure were germinating furiously in March, and were already evident then. Ed New all the tools and the pandemic arsenal jargon. We now know to flattening the curve social distancing stay at home orders. I think the assumption was that testing would be a simple thing that a country as wealthy and resource. Just the US could easily major, so the fact that testing is still a problem is truly baffling to me. Yes, it has gone up. There is much more testing done than ever before, but it took a long time to get that. These are not difficult procedures to do. and yet the US took a long time to do it. they took a long time to give it when the original test created by the CDC to work. It's such a key element. How the US messed up so badly. Despite how slowly the government ramped up coping testing et says individual Americans have adopted certain measures, surprisingly quick I'm not sure I would have predicted that the country would rally in quite the way that it did too widely except social distancing both to do it, and to be supportive of it and I think that really helped, but the time social distancing boat was not wisely used by the government with the result, many states were forced to reopen without testing and tracing capacity necessary to control the virus, which is why we are in the place when we all now with newly surging case numbers in places like Texas. Sarah Zona, California, Florida and more. Americans had a chance to beat back the virus and blew it. And it seems to. Many Americans have run out of patience. The Nation seems to have. Almost surrendered thrown up. And given up this fight, which is a bizarre situation for really difficult summer ahead. One of the reasons we're in this position. It says is that we aren't listening to our scientists. Pointed out in his reporting that President Obama responded to the Abullah outbreak by leaning heavily on science and on experts including Foudy to guide him. People were understandably afraid. And if we're honest, some stoked those fears. But we believe that if we made policy based not on fear, but on sound science. And good judgement. America lead an effective global response while keeping the American people safe. President trump has adopted a different approach one that relies on quite a bit of magical thinking. While sporting events and large gatherings are considered high risk president trump held a rally indoors and Tulsa Oklahoma roughly six thousand packed together like sardines, no social distancing. Trump hasn't been great with the facts. either. Let's be honest and that's a charitable way of putting it now. We have tested almost forty million people. By so doing we showcases. Ninety nine percent of which. Are totally harmless. But that's not entirely accurate. Roughly fifteen to twenty percent of covid patients will require hospitalization. We've learned. Masks are one of the easiest ways to protect ourselves. Emerging research shows it can lessen the amount of droplets in the air. Droplets that could contain the corona virus. Masks have become an easy way to lower transmission president. Trump wore a mask in public for the first time last week. It was also clear. The federal leadership from the trump administration was going to be a big problem in terms of its lack of coordination. It's lack of clear consistent evidence-based communication. This was something that I and others who predicted many years ago, even before trump had been inaugurated as president and all of those things that come through. there. Are Of course many reasons that Cova has run rampant in the US, but it's hard not to look at other countries that have gotten it under control and wonder. What could it have been like here? If National Leadership had taken it seriously and approached it scientifically from the start. But we didn't and now the US is the country that has been hit hardest. As of July sixteenth, there are three point five million Americans suffering from covid nineteen. And one hundred, thirty, eight thousand have died. Health. Of this magnitude are not a rarity for the office Reagan and Bush Senior dealt with the AIDS. Crisis Clinton West Nile George W Bush SARS and Obama faced the H. One n, one flu, pandemic MERCE Bola and Zico. Might be par for the course for presidents, but each administration handles it differently and federal coordination at some level does matter. With states differing on shutdowns and guidelines, one St is only as safe as its most dangerous neighbor. The fact of the matter is that Colbert nineteen isn't going away anytime soon. One troubling discovery about cove is that it's not a disease that strikes and then cleanly retreats and some patients. It can stay for a while, so there are thousands of people many coal themselves long haulers who have experienced symptoms of covid nineteen four months now months and Ed's not just talking about a lingering cough. This is a disease that has been caricatured as one that is. Really severe, so in a small number of cases it sends people to hospitals in forces them to be intimated, ventilated and provided with extra oxygen. All you get a very mild disease that has been described as being a bit like the common cold, but that is not true for a lot of people with covid. Who are not getting better in the two week timeframe whether disease is supposed to run for there are people who might not be sick enough to require oxygen, but are still completely incapacitated by their symptoms, including memory fogs, gastrointestinal problems shortness of breath. Just crushing extreme fatigue that prevents them from doing any of the normal bits of daily life that the rest of us have managed to Tyco during stay home orders. These people are left out of the covid nineteen narrative. Many of them have been even tested, so they don't count towards cases they certainly don't count towards deaths or hospitalizations. Recovery's and there's this huge group of people than therefore who are very sick. In the beginning of the pandemic, there was this misconception that cove nineteen patients were the elderly or people with longstanding health issues, but that wasn't the case. Many of them were young. Many of them were fit and healthy and active. And I think that should make everyone else concerned about. The very rushed moved to reopen the country. It's concerning if this idea continues to perpetuate, the young people don't get sick. Because it's not true. A lot of young people feel invincible. Virus only affects the elderly and that they will escape unscathed. Well thousands maybe tens of thousands of young Americans have not escaped on. And that number of people who might have medium or even long-term disability as a result of covid nineteen is only going to grow as this new surge of infections continues. Covert hits young and old causes a wide variety of symptoms and sometimes sticks around for months. But the hope is that eventually we'll have a vaccine and our society and our bodies. We'll go back to normal. But. It's becoming clear that covid may have some even longer term health affects. We think of this disease like many of his in very binary terms in terms of death or recovery with the idea, that recovery means bouncing back to full health. Well, it's not going to be like. a lot of people who actually have been hospitalized are going to be suffering the long term consequences of being an ICU bed be hooked up to event later. That stuff doesn't go away when you leave the hospital, and even the people haven't been to hospital the these long holders. A lot of them are going to be sick for some time. It's here and in some form. It's here to stay I. Don't want to. Freak everyone out by thinking that everyone who still could symptoms now is still going to be sick for evermore thought we know from previous viral infections, other outbreaks of the past, the a certain proportion of people progress long-term disability low them will end with symptoms that look like my algae, encephalitis or m e, what's noticed chronic fatigue syndrome? They will continue to experience crushing fatigue for a long period of time for years for maybe more. And makes impact. People for generations. They have already been economic consequences and that won't go away anytime soon. It will take a while for businesses to get back on their feet, and it's hard not to imagine that this time we'll make people more conservative and less likely to take risks with their money. Studies have traumatic events like natural disasters show upticks, depression, PTSD and alcoholism. And Studies of the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic show that children born during that time ended up being shorter, less educated, and at higher rates of physical disability. Another area of concern for ED healthcare system, and how can support people living with long term? Chronic disabilities due to nineteen to be honest. America is truly terrible. A caring for people with long term disability and chronic illness it is not a country whose health system is geared towards looking off to this very marginalized group of people and Dot Group is going to increase in number. I think the only hope is that the pandemic by increasing population substantially will shine a light it will increase funding and resources towards studying these kinds of protracted post viral experiences. In a way that will help a large group of people who already have very similar conditions, but maybe not. So. What might ending the pandemic look like a published? A big piece called the pandemic Poland and I said that they were going to be three possible games. One of them was that we would eliminate the virus dot seemed unlikely at the time, and seems almost impossible to contemplate now. The other was that we were going to go towards herd immunity, which is the idea that enough people enough of the population is infected that the virus cannot find a new host to spread towards easily and just fizzles out. We're nowhere near that point yet, but we might get to it. At the cost of American lives in the that's option is that. We play this protracted game of whack-a-mole with virus, trying to crush it. Wherever raised its head again as it popped up in different parts of the country that is the challenge that faces now and all. We're going to meet that challenge. Are we going to rise up to meet it? I am not hugely optimistic. Those pieces that I wrote in March and April still stand up. The one thing that is different in my mind is my cents of America's capacity to rally in the face of this. Clearly, we have seen some heroic efforts from healthcare workers from many governors and Maine's, but it has not been enough without a cool donating federal hund-. Our healthcare system has deep rooted issues, but lately they have been more visual than usual. Draw straight line between the pandemic and the black lives matter protests that have happened recently in that we had a long time. A long period of the weakening of American institutions I think that process became abundantly clear in the nation's failed response to the pandemic and I think between that the clear and stalled disparities in how a cove nineteen was disproportionately infecting killing black people as a result of this long standing pattern of healthcare inequity that goes back to even the end of the civil war. Black and Latino populations are four to five times more likely to end up hospitalized cove in nineteen. The CDC says. Some of this is due to decades of systemic racism because of racial housing segregation, which includes redlining and mortgage discrimination, black people and other marginalized groups are more likely to live in densely populated areas. Because of this, there are also more likely to develop asthma, an underlying conditions that make them more susceptible to covid nineteen. Poorer populations are also just more likely to be exposed living closer quarters working central jobs relying on public transit. They're less likely to have paid sick. Leave and have hard time stockpiling supplies. The recognition that America's institutions and have failed really badly led to this feeling of being right for systemic change. If you add to that, the murders of Brianna Taylor of debris of George Floyd, a man who had survived Kobe. Nineteen. Is Not a surprise? I think that a very frustrated country rose up in protest against yet another failed institution yet another sign all systemic problems in the making. Revolution is in the air. American. Society was already something of pressure cooker. covid turned up the temperature and the death of George. Floyd kicked the LID. Right off. The change popular support for black lives matter recently the scale of the protests. To me. That is actually being the only encouraging sign of the past several months. It suggests that. America is capable of recognizing systemic problems that it had once long over looked, and let's be very clear that everything about the pandemic in all the things have made it worse stomach. A nature are long standing in nature, and will need to be addressed as such. The fight to the country is ready for that kind of change, suggests that maybe Kanani lesson from this. Maybe it can be better prepared for pandemic of the future, but who knows we still have the summer and the fall to get. This energy were seeing around the country. It shows that we have the power to demand change with increasing globalization, only going to see more situations like the cove, nineteen, pandemic and our future. What will we ask of our institutions demand of our leaders? We talk about a new normal, but this hundreds of thousands of Americans dead. CanNot be our new normal. A big, thank you ed young for sharing his insight with us. Before, we leave you today. I wanted to let you know if he didn't know already that neon. does a whole bunch of other things besides telescope. We're producing a whole series of original shows, and they're coming out this fall. and. We recently partnered with a number of media organizations to produce new shows like murder on the towpath, a show that we produced with luminary and Phil Nation hosted by Soledad O'Brien. 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July 31, Hr 2 Face masks
"This is mornings with Kale, a northern Colorado's voice thirteen, ten KFI K. All right not to Belabor the point not. whiny baby. But have they invented of facemasks good that actually fits nine, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, and seven seven three, five, three, thirteen are you always messing with your face mask? Until you what every time I'm out in public I'm trying to interact with someone and it's kind of. And they're like aren't going on. I mean. That experience and it actually just really gets funny in I suppose we all need to have a little bit levity these days and I'm big on self deprecating humor to be sure and I laugh at myself with wild abandon. The darn mass when you're trying to talk to somebody it like bunches up from under your Chin and then it slips off your nose and it's across her lips like this and they're telling us do not touch your face. Don't touch your face whatever and I mean I'm just watching and I do it myself. We're touching our faces more which can lead to the spread of covid nineteen. Than We did before we wore the mass, but it's a serious question. Have you found a mass that's comfortable Oh and then when I discovered if you wear for any length of time in my heart goes out to all of you in business and retail establishments and restaurants I mean you're working your shift, you're wearing your mask right? Well is it just me again? Maybe I'm not masking right? Maybe I'm just not doing it right but what I have found is when I wear that mask and it can be. One of the paper mass or cloth masks by the way polyester not recommended I've done my homework here. But what I discovered is it for any length of time and do you find yourself breathing through your mouth instead of through your nose and when you're breathing through your mouth, you're actually taking it all back in and so what happens? Here, throughout dries out. And then you get a dry cough. Oh. and. Then people look at you. You get that side I get that stinks because well, you must have the covid and it's like, no, I, just my throat gets really really dry. Is this just me nine, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, thousand, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, dropped me attack stat three, one, nine, nine, six seriously looking for a mask that is actually comfortable. Now, some people who are forced to wear mass all day in the workplace, they're starting to complain of headaches and shortness of breath and anxiety. It mask fatigue. Ooh, what about those little elastic bands that go around your ears, your ear start to ache and again I'm I'm not saying Oh poor me let's throw pity party. No, that's not what it is. I'm just saying is is this a singular experience or is this something that you've experienced as well? Mask fatigue. When the elastic is too tight or the plot is too thick. It leads to all sorts of discomfort. And people are getting kinda miserable. Oh, here's a hint. Okay. If you are wearing a mask and you find you know for an extended period of time and it dries out your mouth and it dries out your throat. Think about getting some. Mints. They've actually come out with a mouthwash I, believe to combat mask breath mask breath. But you could keep candy or mint serves in your mouth, and perhaps that will help keep things moist. I mean we get it. We know that the mass are necessary right I mean at least that's what they're telling us these days and I will concede the point that if you know you got a super spreader out there and they're walking around in, they're a symptomatic and well, it helps to wear the mask. But unfortunately for me, I haven't found one that actually fits my face yet. I don't know I guess it's just an ongoing quest now mica. Wearing a mask and wearing glasses we talked about this a while ago and your glasses fog up right Yes. Yes. You know there is a way to address that. Not Wearing a mask they've done no. No. But you know we understand that there are certain places and it's out of respect for business owners or maybe you're going over to visit some friends and they're taking care of. An elderly family members perhaps someone with underlying medical condition someone that is. More. Prone or they don't WanNA see your ugly face and they're like, oh, hey, we're. We're a mask where learn. It is a look isn't it? Do. You have a stylish mass. I would think you would have superheroes. NASC. I used to have a broncos masks, but then I lost it. So now I have a generic mask that Kinda looks like underwear on my face. Right. Yes. Looks. Like it's uncomfortable, I feel like every time I go outside someone's going to judge me right now there's no judging no masks shaming these days unless of course, you wearing one, and then I'm not going to go too deep into the details of what I think people are GonNa say but Boy If I saw someone else wearing the same mask I would say it. Yeah they do bunch up on your face. Now, all you have to do if you're wearing glasses, here's the recommendation. Take your glasses before you leave the house or before you don the mask, and again, you know meanwhile back to wearing a mask if you're going over to friends or relatives House and you know they've got Um, they're taking care of an ageing parent or someone lives there that might be more vulnerable to contracting, covid nineteen. So you wear the mask, right? Okay fine. I mean we can be civil about this. But if you're glasses are fogging all you have to do before he leaves the House before you don the mask, you know the one that bunches up and looks like A. Sagging Diaper all you have to do is wash your glasses and soapy water and then rinse them and then put them on put your mask on and you should be now you've got to try this out for me. You should be good to Gal and your glasses shouldn't faulk. So. There you go or you can just see those people you can break off your relationship with them see what autism dealbreaker I wanna be able to. Breathe Dang. To have trouble breathing through it. I I don't breathe right it's just not right had so weird and it makes my face hot and I ended up like knowing my mouth to the side so I can end up breathing out the side. Exactly, you look like an Emoji. No I do the same thing. It's just so odd. So is it just? Is it just mica in me that are experiencing mask malfunctions? Three five, three, thirteen, ten, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, Tan, drop me a text at three one, nine, nine, six, we need on a World War One or World War too much greater. You know. That like look really creepy. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Well, no like I. said earlier you know the. Chief Dodger Anthony FAUCI is now recommending that we wear face shields. We know at least he could breathe right Yeah. But Still, oh my gosh, we're going GONNA look like robots or something. Seven fifteen now thirteen ten, Kfi, a thirteen, ten, Kfi a dot com this time check sponsored by carrying hearts home healthcare serving northern Colorado since two thousand one were patient. Care always comes first nine, seven, three, seven, eight, fourteen, O nine or caring hearts H H, Dot Com all all sports story in northern Colorado state in the country to into the whole show weekdays noon to two and thirteen, ten Kfi Hey, baseball is pack and the rockies can be heard right here on thirteen ten KFI. Okay. I've been thoroughly chastised and I realize I have nothing to complain about via text this morning texter says. Try Face Mass and hearing AIDS I, can't even imagine. What that must be like that must just be off all. But again, asking you if you have found a face mask that doesn't get all bunched up when you try to communicate with anyone and you wind up just Yongin ads and trying to pull it back down over your Chin and back up over your nose one that doesn't give dry throats and dry mouth I don't know. Maybe I just have to learn how to breathe again, wearing face masks because their class for this no mayday could benefit from some instruction. Oh. Goodness me though wearing a face mask and a hearing off I'm so sorry this is awful but I do have some tips I can pass along for what they're worth but interested in your thoughts this morning again, not to Belabor the point but. I think face masks are going to be with us. Do I really want to say for the rest of our lives. I duNNo. Lapsing into her perfectly there. Is that like Debbie Downer and just kitchen sinking? How long do you think we're going to have to wear face mass and. How do you cope with them? Nine seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten dropping texts on our thirteen ten kfi text line at three. One, nine, nine, six. Okay. So any mask that you either make because there's a lot of Dia. Dia Diy Massa, floating around out there. You should make sure. that it fits above your nose and below your Chin snugly. I've kind of been out of the equation with single mass that I've tried whether it's a paper mask or it's a cloth masks. It's just moving around and then I tighten the straps and then my ears start to ache. One just whining with wild Vanden aren't I just looking for solution? needs to be made from a breathable fabric especially if it's multiple layers thick. Always. Wash your hands before putting on the mask and after you remove it. Oh, ear chafing. Here we go. Ear Chafing from wearing masses become a common complaint due to the elastic rubbing behind your ears. Some, people have gotten creative and started making headbands with buttons. To attach the elastic loops around. It just gets more and more complicated. It's like the Rube Goldberg approach to wearing mass. If wearing a headband just really isn't your thing. It's not your style. You can always try the s ring hook trick. All right. Here's how it works to attach your face mask. You take the loops on your mask and place them around each you of the hook. You make sure the s ring is centered on the back of your. Ed when you're wearing the mask has anybody tried this is actually work. The Hook should help your mask fit better your face since the loops will be pulled snug Oh, and if you don't have an s ring hook just lying around your. House. I. Don't know the junk. Drawer. Or you know in that cardboard box? Out in the base in the basement or out in the garage that you know, you never know when something's GonNa come in Handy. So you throw all matters of things into that cardboard box might find it s there you never know. You can actually find mass cooks. We've created a new industry on Oetzi in different shapes, sizes, and designs. Or you place a folded tissue between the strap and your ear for cushioning. Great. So now we're going to be walking down the street in little pieces of tissue are going to be. Falling, from our ears. Many people by one hundred percent cotton sheets for a reason to stay cool stands to reason. And that rule. Are. They keys sheets and that rule doesn't just apply sheets. You could also be on the lookout for facemask made from cotton as well. Cotton materials considered to have better ventilation trap less of the moisture that builds up from breathing and sweating. And, your face masks might have multiple layers you WANNA material that doesn't restrict your breathing. There's also certain materials you want to avoid. This previously mentioned like polyester which can actually trapped moisture. Ooh, through it's water resistant properties. While you want your mast fit snugly around your face to help prevent respiratory droplets from escaping or coming in. You don't want it to be so tight that it hurts your face also if it's too tight, the model that actually gives you less room to breathe. Oh. So you have to do the dry run before you leave the house. Here's the suggestion. Where your mouth mask around the house kind of like getting a new pair of shoes, right you buy the shoes in the store and they feel pretty comfortable but you're not quite sure. So you take them home and you wear them on the carpet right to see when where the blisters appear. So now. Where your mask around the house before you leave to make sure you'll be comfortable comfortable. That's a relative term. Comfortable, wearing it for a long period of time or long enough to go to the grocery store, for example. Adjust as needed while you're at home because the last thing you want to do is take off and readjust your mask in public because Yes indeedy do you will get that side I am that stink I and you will be masked shamed. Now. Here's an. Safety tip and I'm not talking about don't cross the streams. If you're mass feels gross change it because now that it's starting to warm up outside the longevity of your mass throughout the day may well indeed shorter. That's because the mass can cause your face sweat creating moisture inside the mask, and once the mass becomes wet well, it's no longer use fawn should be changed immediately therefore. You might want to make sure you have an extra mask with you. When you know you'll be out in a while when you get home. Properly remove that ask. And either incinerated or wash it it's up to you. Thirty out, the teen ten KFI J. Thirteen ten KFI A dot com coming up a blowout earnings report for the high tech giants will the market end up for the fourth month in a row Keith Walman presidential wealth management ways in. With his mask on in just a few thirteen ten KFI preps radio is northern Colorado's home for the past high school coverage. Catch me Dan Patrick and the Danettes Weekday nine to noon on thirteen ten KFI K. You. Well you can repurpose the ski goggles if you can find them some forty nine now thirteen ten Kfi K. Thirteen, ten KFI, A. Dot com northern Colorado's Voice Mornings Gail live and local via the collision Specialists Studios. All right. This is well. It's an extension of our mask conversation this morning, and again in that question stance have you found a mask that is actually comfortable and that doesn't drive you crazy and that actually fits in that. You're able to communicate with others without it bunching up around your lips, and then we break the cardinal rule of not touching your face in order to Yank the mass down. Over the humanity nine, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, thirteen, ten, drop me a text on our thirteen, ten KFI text line at a three, one, nine, nine six. But meanwhile, you got Dr Anthony Foul suggesting. That, we should consider wearing goggles or a face shield in order to prevent spreading or catching coverted nineteen. Why not just break out the decontamination suit you know it's Kinda like close encounters. If you have goggles an I shield, you should use it. Said Dr Falcone. When asked if we're going to get to a point where I protection is recommended because again, that is one of the ways a according to the experts that you can contract covid nineteen. Th. Ouchi the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. responded the according to a piece I pulled out of ABC News. It might if you really want perfect protection of the mucosal surfaces, you how Mikasa in the nose. Mu Cosi in the mouth, but you also have. Mu. Cosa in the is theoretically you should protect all those services. So if you have goggles or an ice shield, you should use it noting that goggles and I am facials are not universally recommended at the time. But if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can 751 now thirteen ten KFI Koa best. UNC bears targeting game coverage lives on thirteen ten KFI K. Thirteen, ten, Kfi k. a fourteen, ten, KFI DOT com seven, fifty, seven. Sports Story Northern Colorado state in the country tune into the whole show weekdays noon to two and thirteen ten, Kfi hey for more on KFI programs podcast sports scheduling news go to thirteen ten KFI DOT com now back to mornings with Kale. And Ten. Thirteen ten KFI A. dot com jury Hamrick General Counsel and Senior Vice President of government affairs for the Colorado Apartment Association joins us this morning at eight. Oh five ABC News than local news coming your way thirteen ten. KFI May Greeley Loveland Longmont for Collins it's eight o'clock thirteen ten. K. K. preps radio is northern Colorado's home for the best high school coverage.
Dr. Jim Meehan Answers 10 Questions in 10 Minutes About All Things COVID-19
"Today we interviewed Dr, Jim, meeting about all things related to cove in nineteen, but I don't want to talk about it. I won't this business. Hey, I agree with you, but I had this little theory going okay. If a business isn't allowed to be open. It's going to be closed, okay? That appears to be true. That's correct, and that's why in less than fifteen minutes, doctor Jimmy hand is going to answer all the tough questions related to covert Nineteen Dr Vouch Cove. Nineteen treatments inflated case numbers and mandated masks. But do we have tom to still talk about vaccines because I? Don't know if I want to get one. I'm shows. Don't need a celebrity now writer to introduce this show. This show. to May. Eight kids co created by two different women. Thirteen multi million dollar businesses, Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to thrive time Shaw. Me? Yes. Yes, yes. Yes, we are in the air everywhere sharing the truth from the booth Jason. We're GONNA. Ask Dr Jim Mehan ten questions about covid nineteen in ten minutes or less I. I'm excited about it so question number one doctor Jay Monahan is what is your medical background so I'm an ophthalmologist I specialize in. Inflammation I'm former medical editor of Medical Journal of the same name, so I have a deep background, and how the immune system works, and how that that immune system can be used and leverage to prevent diseases. So that I'm also well trained in functional Madison Integrated Medicine Nutrition so I've gone beyond just my medical training to get additional information to broaden my perspective and bring a whole new level of care to my patients. Okay, question number two. I have for you is. Let's talk about Dr Doughty. Who is Dr? Chee, and should we trust him? Well Dr, Anthony Fauci has is a longtime bureaucrat, and in the deep state Washington establishment. He's been around for a long time. As primary area of focus is HIV. He's a multiple time failure in his inability to create an HIV vaccine, so he was just you know he's the former National Institute of Health Director, he's now directing the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease and He was kind of the guy in the in the office of that institution that Donald Trump had to go to probably to to create. Create a panel for this corona virus pandemic that we're experiencing. SHOULD WE TRUST THEM I? Don't think so I, think he has been. He's demonstrating himself to be a liar. He told us on on multiple occasions. That mass didn't work. Don't wear masks. They won't block the corona buyers. And then he flipped, and he flopped changed just story, and he came back around months later to say yeah, you should probably wear them and the reason I said you should wear them. Before is because we were trying to protect the supply. For Healthcare workers that by definition tells us that he lied to the public to tech industry, and I think that makes him untrusted will according to Newsweek. Couch e backed the controversial Wuhan lab with US dollars from a risky for conducting risky corona virus research known as gain of Function Research Dr Jim. Why do you think Dr found she? Had to conduct his gain of function research in China, well, because number one it was, it was deemed to be so controversial and so dangerous that international law and treaties basically banned it here in the United States and most European countries, most countries in the world, one of the few places that you could conduct this controversial dangerous. Gain of function research in which you're tinkering around with dangerous viruses, and you're trying to make them more dangerous that they could escape from the lab and they could. Reap havoc on the population. Is it that that research should never have been done? So he exported it kind of under the cover of darkness, in my opinion, without appropriate approvals in my opinion, and he used taxpayer dollars to fund that illegal controversial dangerous research. What is gain of function research, but break it down very simply for people like myself. Who say well you know? Maybe we need sock puppets. What is gain of function research well? Well, let's apply it to the current pandemic. Listen that you took what they did at the Wuhan Institute a Viral Ogies. They took the coronavirus SARS corona virus, and that that was whether it was isolated from the bats, or it was taken from samples that were from the two thousand and three outbreak of SARS covy won the first outbreak of SARS virus, but they took that virus and they. A gain of function implies that you're. New Genetic sequences sequences that might make that that virus more infectious more transmittable that might have certain features that added gained function to that virus that makes it more infectious for example and SARS covy, too. We find a cleavage site. It's not found in any other Beta. Corona viruses in that same cars that same SARS covy to family. The Corona virus family from which stars Covy to arises not in there anyplace else it's new. It was put in there. By all evidence, and by multiple scientists that are reviewing this kind of literature. That's fear. Cleavage site was added to the genetic sequence of of this corona. They are wrestling a bat out of a cave in Wuhan or near Wuhan. Then they isolate the virus. That's naturally occurring. There's already the virus corona virus naturally occurs in a bat, and then they try to increase its transmissibility. Yeah, that's exactly what you do that well. It's a great question, so most scientists would say you should not do that because you could lose control of the virus. This is how all science fiction horror movie start is with the. A modification evolution a change in a virus that makes it more dangerous, so you should not resuming that because it could escape from a viral lab. Unintentionally or intentionally, it could be a bio weapon. You bad actors create bad weapons. Bad Bioweapons. I'm glad you said. It's like Scifi movie. Because this whole thing we talk about how he does. It always brings me back to Jeff Goldblum drastic park, says your scientists spent so much time wondering if they could, they never stopped to think. That's exactly right. Drastic Park? Knowledge I a point for us. One make point. Now, okay how dangerous is covid nineteen if infected individuals are allowed to be treated with hydroxy, chloroquine or a nebulizer, an FDA approved asthma treatment. Well, let's let's start with the first question. How dangerous is it based on the the epidemiology data for people under the age of forty it's it's less dangerous than a seasonal influenza. We're not talking about a bad influence and we're talking about regular standard influenza in fact. Most children under the age. Young people under age about twenty year about fifty times more likely to die of drowning than to die of corona virus about twenty four children in the states have died supposedly of Corona. Virus. had. Serious Auto Immune. Immune Suppression Diseases, for which they were very susceptible for a whole host of other diseases for certain members of the population, young healthy, and it's not all about age either clay. It's about the health of that individual if you have multiple co morbidity. Diabetes you're obese. You have high blood pressure. You're on the you have cancer. You're in the last years of your life. Your strong wind could end your life and this virus is. You're going to be very susceptible to it. Those are the people that need to be protected, but people like you and I and most of the people in this room. We are not at high risk. We don't need to be pretending that we can hide from this virus in our homes and behind a mask okay. I have I, have three final questions and then Dr J. A. Schrader as well as Dr Jay Schroeder as well as a Jason Beasley have a question for you here we go. Should we as a United States country. Should we be implementing the Chinese lockdown approach to dealing with Kobe absolutely not so that is a first time experiment in the history of medicine and pandemics. We've never done this before. The quarantining the entire population is a failed experiment. We should put a nail in that coffin never again. Should we go back to it? Because it was a complete failure, you don't quarantine. Healthy People in their homes that. That that shutdown our economy we're there's a shadow pandemic for which we're GONNA pay. Mendes cost in the loss of life and life years people killing themselves in despair and despondency, because they were feared into hiding in their homes, their jobs were destroyed. The economy was in collapse that that lockdown is an absolute failure, and we have other examples in other countries like Sweden where they didn't implement these your coney and lockdowns. They didn't shut down their schools. And they are doing very well. They're doing better than many of the other European countries that did use draconian lockdowns to try to mitigate the virus they are. They didn't destroy their economy. They didn't put a whole. Bunch of people their citizens out of work, and they actually have the deaths per one hundred thousand. That are better than Italy Spain. The UK and many others, so we've got three minutes for coming in hot with five questions in three minutes or four questions in three minutes here we go. How are the case numbers being inflated because I keep hearing the case numbers, and the numbers of deaths are being inflated. How is this happening? How are they not so? I'm very concerned, so we learned some weeks ago now that the CDC was was exposed and caught basically in the process of conflating inflating the numbers, because they were counting multiple tests as separate cases, so an individual that test positive, and then they go on quarantine. They may be tested four five six times during that period of quarantine until they are, they manifest a clearance of the disease and antibodies are present. They may get six ten twelve tests, and all of those tests were being counted as a positive case, so one person should tested twelve times I'll still be one test. It should not be twelve cases now. There's other problems. If you've got an antibody test and you gotta DNA. Tests, they're both of those are being counted as separate cases. Then we have all these other reports that at this point are so concerning that trump president trump has demanded that all health departments in all states send their data to health and Human Services for review they can still send it to their state health department, but there's so much inflation of the data there. We go that it that it needs to be checked off on. We need some accountants to look at this data and make sure it's not being inflated their stories all over this country, and some even here in my own patients that went to the health department they they signed in. They wanted to get a free antibody test. The weight was too long. They gave up after thirty seven minutes and they walk out. They never got tested never got tested, but five days later they got to positive reports. Each person that never got tested got to posit reports that they had that. They were positive for Covid nineteen. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable is just to me. It's a thing I. I should rephrase. It is believable because I know it's now happening, but for a guy like you Dr. To really put your reputation on the line, right, you come out and you say that and I'm just saying hypothetically you came out and you made these claims and it was proven that you weren't correct. You could be risking your career here to make these statements and so this is I mean this is? Words, you just said carry a lot of weight here. Now should we be wearing a mask? And should we be listening to Bill Gates absolutely not so. Here's the thing about mass. The science has been. Very clear on this for about thirty years we've been testing the safety and efficacy of mass. There's a reason that we don't recommend mass for influenza because they have been shown in the highest level, highest order of sciences is randomized controlled trials and multiple randomized control trials that we met a analyze, or we do a systemic review, so the highest level of science says that mass do not work to prevent the transmission of influence. Now there are no randomized controlled trials of SARS COVA to in at present so there certainly are no meta-analysis, but the meta-analysis. Of of. Influenza have clearly said we don't. We shouldn't mass the population because we know that there are risks associated with wearing a mask now any medical intervention should be. Evaluated in the individual should make a decision. Do the risks outweigh? The benefits excuse me outweigh the risk, and in my opinion as a medical physician, the risks are too high, and there's too little benefit for mass to be recommended the risk of a lowering your arterial oxygen of contaminating that mass. Feeling like you're invulnerable that the mass actually protects you when we know it didn't and by the way that's what our surgeon general said that's. That's what Anthony Fauci said early in the pandemic, they said this mask will not block the transmission corona virus. Don't buy them you know. Don't use them. It's ineffective. They changed their tune. The reason that they changed their tune had nothing to do with science. The science has not changed. Now I will say there is a new study out there. That just came out. that it does is a more systemic review of the existing science, as it relates to SARS covy to and that study by Jean Auel out of a specialist from Hong Kong China or Hong Kong. I shouldn't say Hong Kong China, but from Hong Kong clearly says mask provided no benefit in this systemic review of the existing science, so when people say you know and they'll. They'll often debate with me on social media, and they'll give me a long list of the studies that purport to say mass or effective. When you break down that science, you will find that they're using low level science that is based on retrospective observational case controls theoretical science, all of which is inferior to making a sound decision, so we look to the higher order. The more sound reliable science, and that science clearly says master ineffective. Okay, should we BE LISTENING TO BILL GATES? Absolutely not I mean the last person that we should be looking and listening to is Bill Gates. He's got his own agenda. I don't I. Don't know what it is fully the more I understand about his agenda, the less interested I am and listening to them. I think everybody should do their own due diligence. He certainly not a doctor. A multiple conflicted and interest you know vaccine investor. He's making a ton of money promoting and producing vaccines. He's figured out how to become a philanthropy. Philanthropy Anouar hard thing that you know he's making tons of money. Promoting vaccines and there's a lot of damage and injury occurring in his vaccine programs in third world, countries Jason Beasley. We have time for one final question from you one question here from Dr J. Yep, so you are a doctor, so I would trust your opinion. What your your effects on all of this and I've listened to you speak, and you have a wealth of information law that people need to hear. Just recently I learned that one of my clients and good friends Dr Artists. His father-in-law was misdiagnosed with Covid, plump, full of chemicals and killed by a hospital in Texas, due to a cope with protocols and artists fought tooth and nail to try to get him out of there, but unfortunately because the family trusted what the doctors had to say, and they said we were just following protocol. They let him go for about five days until they finally ended it with. With Morphine, killing him, and so, what Dr Artists has been telling me to tell other people is you don't have to listen to what a doctor says. You can choose to seek treatment elsewhere, so you being a doctor? Is that true that is absolutely true and that story that you've just related is played out over this country because we have been misinformed misled, and there's been these assassination pieces on low cost evidence based therapeutics like hydroxy. Clark when Vitamin D Vitamin C. Night, you know the what the pharmaceutical industry does. Is They? They by science they. Pay Scientists to create pseudoscience. We saw these series of really weak studies that were ultimately retracted va, the the the The Lancet article that was shown to be complete science fiction, those were assassination pieces funded by the pharmaceutical industry to dismiss and diminish the relevance of the safe and effective therapeutic. The doctors are calling me here in Tulsa and they're saying Dr me and I've been exposed or I'm afraid. I'm afraid I'm going to be exposed and. And I would. Would you treat me with Hydroxy Clark when and I said absolutely I? Would I think the science really supports it? They said Yeah. I read it to I. Think it's pretty clear despite what we hear in the mainstream media, scientists really clear, but what was what happened with that misinformation was hydroxy core on was completely. Diminished to the point where some states the Oklahoma Border Pharmacy, actually restricted the prescription of Roxy Clark when in our state, so that I couldn't prescribe it. When I called the first time, the first physician Er physician calls me and I'm prescribing it for him. They said what's the diagnosis code and I said well. I've never been asked. Why are you asking me about the diagnosis code? That's you know protected health information. I'm not sure I'm going. I'm sure I'm not going to. Provide that to you, but they informed me that it was restricted in our state. I rose a stink about that a week later we removed that restriction, but in many states to day the doctors or preventing from being able to prescribe hydroxy Clark when zinc in Zithromax in a proven protocol randomized controlled trials are showing the efficacy in the safety of this protocol all over this country, but they're not able to use that as a preventative as an acute treatment. Because if we use it early, we can drastically change the course of this disease. People will will suddenly the site. A kind storm goes. All the viral replication is diminished right, and they start to recover, but what's happening in our hospitals that. It's very true right here in Tulsa Oklahoma I had an interaction with a physician from a local hospital, one of our prominent local hospitals. She was telling me that. She won't use hydroxy clerk and she doesn't believe that the sciences is sound. She's only read. She still believe. The Lancet article was a was a legitimate article, so she's not providing her patients I'd Roxie Clark. When she said she had twenty one covid, nineteen infected patients on ventilators in the hospital right now that she's had at least six deaths, and I informed her in this interaction and I can show all of you the interaction it's right on. My screen shotted before she would delete it. But she was accountable with her misinformation and bad science. She was responsible for almost one percent of all the deaths in Oklahoma. O. G. because she was misinformed. She hasn't read the Science. She's reading headlines, titles and abstracts and she's not aware that this attack on hydroxy chloroquine has been perpetrated and so our our. Families our husbands, wives, daughters, parents are being killed, not by the virus per se, but by misapplication of bad science, and we can't ignore the fact that we've incentivized this process to occur in our hospitals through so in new. York City if you haven't seen the work of Aaron, Marie are our end. She is a nurse whistleblower that was at the epicenter of New York's outbreak at Elmhurst hospital and she has exposed that the hospital was allowing patients to. To compensate in their hospital, they so that they were moved to ventilator and the because everybody knows now that if you can I've hospital can admit someone with covid nineteen diagnosis, they get thirteen thousand dollar bonus, and if they go to ventilator, they get a thirty nine thousand dollar bonus. Show me an incentive and I'll show you an outcome yup. Charles Munger said that, and it's so true in medicine, and that's what we're doing. We've got all these. Incentives to treat this disease wrongly we've. We've removed safe. Effective Therapeutics and we've relied on bad medicine that reimburses well. Okay Dr J. Schrader. Number, one final question sir. What question do you have for the man? The Myth, the legend Doctor Jimmy Han yet. So my question comes from, and it's really a an issue I have for my family is is the vaccines. The safety and efficacy of a vaccine that's being rushed through chemicals that are in the vaccine. The neuro-toxins that are in there. Can you talk about? There's no chance my family will take this, but you know talking about mandated vaccines right so this is a big deal for me personally. Could you talk to people who really are? Misinformed by all the stuff right well, we are we from the beginning we've been. The Path has been laid. To manipulate the public into believing that their only hope is a vaccine. Throughout throughout time, our entire vaccine program is based on very low level science because vaccines are classified as a biologic, they are not required to be tested to the same gold standard levels of randomized controlled trials, using nerve placebo, nor the companies held accountable for engines are not held Aqa I'm so glad that you know that so many people do not know that you cannot sue vaccine manufacturing, six, nine, thousand, nine, ninety-six national. Childhood Vaccine Injury and we we. We cannot hold them accountable for the the week science. They've been used that. They're using to mislead us now. This this corona virus vaccine number one we have never. We been trying for thirty forty years to create a corona virus vaccine, the common cold and affliction that afflicts everyone every year multiple times a year. We've been trying to create a vaccine. We try to create a vaccine for SARS covy one when they administered the vaccine to the test animals. And then the tasks animals were then exposed to the wild type virus. It melted their organs. I mean it literally killed so many of the melted their organs it. The site of kind storm was so over audit is called an enhanced auto immune reaction and it was a dangerous reaction. We we skipped the animal studies in these SARS covy to we skip the animal studies. We short cutted the phase one clinical trials. We fewer patients were tested in that. We are fast-tracking this vaccine and we are likely to have a more potential desk from adverse events from this vaccine. The other thing is we're working with a new type of vaccination. The Pfizer and the MODERNA vaccines are based on a genetic technology amount. And, it's going to change our genetics. It's hijacking our genetic machinery intracellular to create the the antibodies. Now we have no idea this. This is a new technology that should be studied tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of nine months for many years for probably ten plus years, but we're not gonNA have that. They're. They're actually testing this vaccine and third world countries right now. Everybody should have should be appalled by the fact that we're using third world, countries, women children, pregnant women are being experimented on by our government, and I live in Nashville and actually vanderbilt advertising. For people to come in to be in the trial right now. I would tell you know I would tell anybody that will listen. Do not be at the front of that line. Do, not whatever you do, do not be at the front of that line, just GonNa. Get Out of the I'm. Not GonNA stand in that line in fact, I'm not going to tolerate any mandates of any medical procedure that is a procedure that should be left to the individual patient after full informed consent, so I think that's where they're going. They're to try to mandate out the mass mandates or just. Part of the preparation, the pre preparing the minds. Increasing the fear, so that more people are more likely to submit to mandatory. You know medical. Manipulate Them Yeah Oh, wow! My brain's going to explode. I gotta ask you if I want I'm listening right now and I want to learn more about user where I wanNA receive. Maybe some of the papers. You've written or read some of your blog posts. Can I go Dr Jim to find this additional information? Right where you can go to my website and I've got a blog page there, but my website is me Han. MD DOT COM, that's M. E. H. A. N. MD like medical doctor Dot Com. Brother I. Thank you so much for being on the show and I hope you have a great arrest of your day and again just thank you for sharing the truth. I know it's uncomfortable I. Know You get a lot of negative? Feedback I? I can't say they'll. I'm seeing the tide turn. Thousands upon thousands of people are sharing what you're writing, and there seems to be a momentum shift as people are waking up to the facts, but thank you for being out front with this I really appreciate it. Thank you for being brave yourself and getting this these facts and the truth out there because it's the only it's the only way that we stop this fraud, corruption and pseudoscience. Boom Jason are. You prepared in with the Bono. Always Cartridge Air. You psychologically prepared in with a boom. I'm prepared now. Dr Jim. Are you medically prepared with a bump medically but? Here we go. To What Oh
(Part 2 of 2) Doctor Jim Meehan versus Doctor Fauci and Dr. Birx | The Facts About the False Models That Spread the Fear and the Inflated Number of Cases and Deaths
"On today's show Dr Jim. Behan joins us to discuss the facts about the false models that spread the fear of the Corona Virus and the inflated number of cases and deaths that perpetuated the fear that falsely justified. Your government's decision to take away your rights to peaceably assemble to take away to strip away. Your constitutional rights shows don't need liberty narrator to introduce this show. This show too may eight. Kids Co created by two different women. Thirteen multi MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESSES LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. Welcome to thrive time. Shaw don't talk bad yes. It's very special occasion because it has always ecstasy when Dr Z. Is next to me. Dr Zellner is it true that you are in fact Dr? Well I kind of sort of a doctor. I'm an optometrist. So I'm kind of like a a foe doctor. Maybe a half doctor. Maybe if you blink on my doctor you know we're joined here today with a friend of yours. Who's a real Dr this Dr Jim Mahan Dr? Jim You know doctors owner Dr Zoning so well loved the man. What kind of doctor are you sir? So I'm a I'm a a physician. That is trained and ophthalmology. That's my primary training ophthalmology. I specialized ocular inflammation and immunology. I I continued my training after my residency training. Though and I've also been trained in Preventive Medicine Interventional endocrinology and addiction. Well we are in the age. We call the information age but doctors the argue. It's the misinformation age. There's just as much correct correct information as false information floating around on the interwebs and so I would like for you to see if you could ask Dr Jim the tough questions about the corona virus so that way this can be a weapon of mass instruction that only kills fear. So so you've got some tough questions to try to go easy on our guest. I mean Jim Dr Man. I'm GonNa give you the addictive part because I wanted to ask you. What about the drivers that are addicted to the show? But that's a whole nother topic a whole `nother topic so many speaking because you are an MD that's medically speaking out the sock puppets. Because I'm not a doctor who actually should be scared of. Covert nineteen well. So here's the thing about Kobe. Nineteen it's it's another viral illness. Anybody that should be afraid of Kobe. One thousand nine needs to be afraid of the flu and they need to be afraid of all the other Corona viruses that cause respiratory illness. And that's anybody with Multiple Co Morbidity anybody that obesity happens to be one of the major risk factors and that's that's one in three children in the United States. That's one in two almost people in the United States today that are suffering obesity. High Blood Pressure Diabetes Autoimmune Diseases this regulation of the immune system in any way our immune system is our weapons of defense against any all of these millions of invading microbes that were constantly doing battle with in fact. We're not really doing battle with we're we're living with living with them right right. Because they're here today and there are designed to kill us. They're designed to live with us and have us pass them along right. I mean that's kind of if if if all of the viruses and microbes that live in our bodies on our bodies were to disappear we would disappear. We would be left extinction. They're they're so critical to our health are important to our ability to digest in the Gut. Microbiome we are now understanding the importance of the GUT microbiome in our overall health. Those you know right now. We're we're spending too much time a radical viruses and bacteria in our skin. You know where every time that you're rubbing that endocrine-disrupting toxic trickling an you know antibiotics soaps and gels. You're actually breaking down some of the microbial barriers that I'll give it so you're saying that staying home and washing my hands profusely and spraying everything down with Lysol and essentially making myself. The most virus free puzzle of almost a washing. My hands at a level of paranoia is actually the worst thing I could be doing. It's one of the worst things that you can be doing that is your eradicating these important pathogens and microbes that we live with and we have to learn to live with. They stimulate the health of our immune systems. The I remember telling you for years ago. I told you I should never wash my hands. What you've held true to the rest of your body. We talk about what? We'll be middle. Fight it because I I spent lots of money to to take these little pills that actually put billions of these microbes body. You'll different here where everybody's running around. We don't want bugs. We spend all this money to get him into us. Okay so I know you don't know Dr Vouch e personally doctrine Mehan but connected this gain a function which is attorney just now becoming mainstream gain of function week reported then reoccurs. Yeah he reflected lab is doing this. That's exactly right and his connection with the Kobe. One thousand nine this corona virus. Yeah so Dr Fao. She has a long history of in my opinion fraud. Corruption pseudoscience. He's been stealing the ideas of many as subordinates and the NIH and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. But what we have what we have learned about. Dr Fallacy recently is that he has in fact violated international treaties against the development bioweapons or gain of function studies gain of function means. We take some kind of pathogen that we identify by taking out of a bats or pangolins. some some species that grows this virus. And then they bring it into the lab. And they're trying to modify it ostensibly to test some future vaccine or blockbuster. So you're saying that he actually funded a laboratory that takes bats advocate at wrestles bats out of cave brings them into a laboratory isolates the and then increases the virology or the transmissibility of the virus. Actually makes it potentially more spreadable. Why would someone want to do that? Yeah so that's a great question so they could be wanting to develop a bioweapon. They could be wanting to develop some kind of a pathogen that they anticipate happening at some point in the future. The the evidence of this this virus when this genome was I was identified decoded. We see significant evidence that the gain of function that was was engineered into this virus as one that would not have happened for eight hundred thousand years. The Guy who has helped giving a safety tips on how to protect ourselves from the corona virus knows more about than anybody else because he created would that be fair state? That is a very fair statement. In fact it's a statement that is so fair and so true that Dr Fao Chichi should be charged with treason fraud cooperation with our enemy. In fact wow okay. Jim of the big the two big things that we're told the all mighty CDC CDC and Dr. Val team is to wear a mask and to stay away from people right. What are your thoughts on this things wearing a mask and the new term now social distance hate the right? Yeah so I- i- social distancing if you're going to maintain you know six feet of distance That's probably the only thing that we need to be doing. Masks have no scientific basis to support community wearing of masks. There's no science. I'm a former medical editor added in a medical journal. For about three years I learned how to read discern in the scientific literature. I it's so easy so much of our our medical literature so full of fraud bias corruption bought and paid for by Industry Pharmaceutical Industry that want to produce something that supports their drug When you look at the the literature the Science evaluating the the the effectiveness of mascots. Non-existent the Most of the studies almost all of the studies are done in healthcare workers and healthcare settings. Now that's a that's a setting in which we're we have readily available supplies of mask. Use It once we throw it away. We're trained and we're very disciplined. You're you're harassed and hazed throughout your training to learn not to touch that mass not to fidget with to resist the compulsion to move it down below your nose or up on your forehead or on your Chin to touch it multiple times every time you touch a surgical mask that you've been breathing into your contaminating your hands and then you're spreading it whether you've got gloves on or not is irrelevant. You're spreading that virus significantly on an emotional level Z. It makes it weird the the businesses that I own where where we are currently required to wear a mask. It makes it weird. You not started doing. I've got an old lone ranger mask is neither lone ranger mask and so when they say you've got to wear a mask doctors donor when you come in. I go okay. I got a mouse trap. That bad boy odd and I I just fire up. I love silver. You know come riding in and they don't know what to say. I love this idea so much I wanna hug you and help. Spread the herd immunity. So that's a great point. Clay I mean this. Is the real issue that we're were. Were messing up with this. Social distancing distancing cowering enter cages and our our lockdowns. We are destroying the one thing that really works to improve the health of our community prevent the transmission and protect the vulnerable populations is we are not enabling herd immunity for not heard. Immunity is so critical in defeating these kind of novel viruses whether they're bio-engineered whether they're bioweapons or they're they've evolved in in pangolins and and bats that slop slobber if you if you really are a criminals who's done some bad stuff if you're a really bad criminal. We typically put the the worst of the worst criminals in solitary confinement want to crush their soul. We went to isolate them. And I just want to get this information out there so that we can unmask this fear and get back to living. We don't have to hide from the virus to all the businesses and organisations die till the economy dies knows he had some tough questions here about the vaccine's prepared here for the good doctor so feel free to just paint them into a corner with the tough questions. That people like me who are not doctors. WanNa know yeah so jeb from your knowledge. What's we talk about these mandatory vaccines? I mean that's kind of a it's starting to creep into the thing you know. Now we're starting to jerk people out of their homes in certain states. We're starting to do mandatory testing. We're starting to judge order AC. I've got a forum to hear that allows me to come into your home and jerk you or your children out. You'RE GONNA compete a tackle. You Park your over. We got arrested happening. It's happening so so. What's in these vaccines? Can we trust these vaccines? I mean I I don't WanNa be too paranoid. I mean before I've had scenes before you know for measles polio for for different viruses. And my in my life growing up. So what's what's the word on vaccines because trump just mentioned the other day. We're close to and yet I hear like Bill Gates is like making some different kind of vaccine. Yeah so we're to close to a vaccine fast tracking the FDA fast tracking some of the these vaccine candidates. There's there's multiple candidates right now. One of the the leading candidates is a vaccine made by a pharmaceutical company. Called MODERNA. Madonna was is funded by the Gates Foundation. The bill and Melinda Gates Foundation source has money in that By the way gates also funded the Wu. Han Lab in which this virus emerged this Sars covy too. So He's involved in that you could prove that absolutely it's it's well it's well documented and in the in the literature so the my biggest concern is a concern that I found many years ago in the childhood vaccines schedule. So that concern is the use of aborted fetal cell lines. What yeah aborted fetal cells? Your Salesman Children. That were aborted. And how old are these fetuses? Would they range from seventeen months to three and a half months? The MODERNA vaccine is being manufactured using an aborted fetal cell line that was harvested from and I hate to use that word. But that's can we're calling this say we have to kill babies it to make the virus hundreds of thousands of base. You have to kill babies yes to make the vaccine. Say it and this is what the public doesn't understand. This is what the you know. The Christian community to faith community does not understand is the absolute truth that we are using aborted fetal cells that are being injected into our children now now not the full cell. But the DNA micra fragments the residual cellular protein. So I have five kids. Yeah and I have to kill somebody else's potential kid to make this vaccine. Yes the way these these work. So the the current The most commonly provide US childhood. Vaccines are the chicken pox vaccine. That's in a a child that was aborted in the nineteen sixties the the M M are the rubella component of the measles. Mumps Rubella vaccine that is a an aborted cell line fetal cell line a human aborted baby that is the host cell that these viruses are grown on for manufacturing. See the issue with this. Is that all of these? Endemic diseases viruses like measles mumps rubella chicken pox. They grow best most efficiently with on human cells when we tried to grow those on chicken eggs. It would create lots of mutations in the and the cell lines so they have to grow them on on humans as bad. It's horrible. There's an excellent Deposition a video deposition of Dr Stanley Plotkin. He's the father of modern vaccines and in that deposition by Aaron Syrian excellent attorney very knowledgeable in vaccines and the science Doctor Dr Plotkin admitted to in the development of the Rubella Vaccine Seventy. Six children were aborted. These were elective abortions before they finally got the tissue that they needed to produce this to manufacture the cell line to get a viable candidate for this human cell on that that. And here's how that process goes. It was described in this video deposition. So this is Dr Stanley Plotkin. Under oath he has to tell the truth. He told the truth. It's also published in a lot of the scientific literature on the moment of that entrance into the world. It's it's captured and a saline bag a bag full of sailing fluid basically drowns and then it's quickly moved to the laboratory where it is vivid and it's tissues or torn that its body is torn apart. It's cut us so we have to those babies to make the exactly. What's that's exactly what's been done. That's what's being done now. In the United States and many European countries laws in the early two thousands came out to prevent that from happening White House. It happening. Well it's being done in countries like China. We don't have the same laws regulations where they're governed by communist Chinese party that just simply doesn't care about their own citizens they certainly don't serve Dr Doughty under under under Dr vouches direction were violating US laws by exporting the creation of of viruses by taking bats out of caves and in isolating the viruses and increasing their veracity making transmissible and then the only way to stop the spread of the viruses that she his funding and thus creating would be to abort babies and to require everyone to have a vaccine that is comprised of mutilated babies. Yeah that's I mean that's essentially Ed and in a nutshell. That's that's what's happening here and I think it's you know I'm fully devoted follower of Christ and I'm you know. I believe that our children are being you know medically defiled and I believe. They are being spiritually defiled. When I was a I have five children on my own and before I understood the science before I understood what was happening because in medical school. They don't teach you this stuff. You basically memorized the CDC recommended schedule. You're not taught anything about the potentially dangerous ingredients like aluminum cans like the aborted fetal cell materials. Nothing is said about that. I've actually debated pediatricians in multiple states now in which they weren't aware of this themselves they almost looked at the the I had to. I had to pull out the vera cell of the chicken pox. Package Insert. That's created by Merck and show them that that cell line from an aborted fetus is right there on the package and have a confession. I heard you on a local radio. Show where you've been doing a lot of interviews and I thought you crazy. Yeah I went and looked up the terms you were referencing. I looked up the different cases. You're talking about the testimonies you're talking about and everything you have said checks out in. Its it bothers me but but it seems like a Bill Gates and Dr Faucher pushing for a vaccine. I mean just pushing you for why would Y Z? Well what are your thoughts on this Bill Gates and found she self evident but Jim what do you? What do you think about that? I mean we've got now. We've got gated falconry to men that have have obviously funded the creation of this virus. And now they're they're scrambling around and now the Dow everything here. Everything in here from pouches stain. Your home's backseat ticket vaccine. So we get a cure now vaccine. That's me here. Vaccine Cure Vaccine Cure. So what's your take on that? Yeah so my take on. That is is always follow the money at the very most intuitive level that everybody will understand. It's about the money we're talking about with this. You know this pandemic this fearmongering. That's going on this exaggeration of this crisis. Never let a good crisis go to waste. That's what's happening here. And they're trying to They're trying to fear us into submitting to a- vaccine that they want to mandate they they want to mandate it for every human being on the planet. So we're talking about seven billion doses doses potential customers to doses is. Well I have read that the vaccines because they're going to be fast. Tracked will not be tested with the same level of and you know the terms morzine more the meat there's A. There's a certain level of testing that has to go on before the FDA approved the drug with the fast track. They just sort of skip that. And I've heard that actually could cause problems to the human body these actual vaccines made from aborted. Babies could cause a lot of. Am I correct getting that right here? You're so correct on so many levels in there so many so much complexity in this. Here's the issue is number one corona viruses as a highly mutable Virus IT'S GONNA. Change rapidly like the flu like influenza viruses. Do It's going to. It has traditionally escaped any form of vaccination in fact when we tried to create a vaccine in two thousand and three two thousand and five line after the original SARS epidemic. We we Tried to create a vaccine for corona virus. Then the vaccine actually was so lethal Fortunately we did. The animal studies back then and when we did the animal studies they. They infected ferrets. They've acclimated ferrets and then they reinfected him. Expose THEM TO THE SARS virus. That killed the ferrets. It created what's called a immune enhancement. It's a syndrome that created a abnormals extreme cytokine storm and inflammatory storm in the bodies when they were re-explore exposed to the antigen now in this in this modern age with SARS covy to we are going. We're making the same mistakes but we're not even doing the animal studies. They went directly to human studies in Washington Washington state with with forty five human volunteers the FDA fast-tracking this vaccine. Here's the other thing that you've got understand is there is no medical liability to the manufacturers of these vaccines. They have been given immunity to liability so that vaccine kills. You harms you your children. You will have no recourse. You will not be able to sue the manufacturer so this is and this is something been since one thousand nine hundred eighty six with a national childhood Vaccine Injury. Act has been a problem with our vaccine industry at removed a critical check and balance the check in the courts the ability to sue a manufacturer for the injuries that caused your child when we remove that check and balance we've created not only a massive product profit stream for the pharmaceutical companies. But we have. We have removed the critical checks and balances. Now when that law was passed in one thousand nine hundred six there was an agreement that the that the health and Human Services would watch over. They would oversee to make sure that in the removal. They recognize that. The removal of this critical check and balance could have unintended consequences and children could be damaged from the fact that we're not doing the same level of gold. Standard random controlled clinical trials using inert placebos. We don't do that. That's the only thing I will come back to that because that's such an important thing to understand. We're not doing the science but when we remove those check and balance. Hhs was supposed to do annual reviews of the the vaccine adverse event reporting system to see if there were any signals that we were causing more damage in the children receiving these untested inadequately tested. Never proven safe vaccines now. They hadn't done those studies for thirty years. They failed to do studies and we found out about a year ago and Robert. F Kennedy Jr. filed a Freedom of Information Act and they sued the federal government. Said show US your oversight report. We WanNA see evidence that you've been doing the safety tests you said you would do. That was a requirement of law and it was found that they had done none. No small not a single amount of oversight. They're not checking the safety this vaccines and this is what infuriates me. And that's why you know I mean a lot of the stuff I talk about. You don't hear about because when you talk about the things that I talk about publicly you are going to be attacked by the medical establishment. You're going to be threatened. You're going to be harassed. The pharmaceutical industries have immense amounts of money. And they'll do almost anything to shutdown voices like mine so by the way. I'm completely happy saying I have no. I'm not suicidal at in the least so if something happens to me not topsy and look for the other two bodies because I will take an. Here's the deal. You're you're Irish. You're kind of your and I will always armed. I'm well trained. Oh yeah you're kind of a bad dude and now your youngest is getting ready to go into the marine. Those I mean you got several millions coming at you but you know God didn't give it a spirit of fear Gore our love and a sound mind. So that's why rose absolutely Jim through a lot at our listeners. A lot of big words a lot of fancy terms about that no I love it. I love it. But here's gave us as we're recapping as as we're ending. Does someone listening right now going. Okay but what do I do right? I mean Oh okay but what do I do? I'm living in mid America. I'm hunker down and like going shirt was not and my bunker. I mean I'm not answering the door for fear of someone breathing on me. I mean they go to the store. Should I not do right? It's a great question so okay. Give me the practical steps that everyday Americans stood should do could do would do right so you need to get out. You need to get out in the sun. One of the most beneficial nutrients for prevention. You can create for free just by exposing yourself to the sonnen Spiderman. D Vitamin D is such an important Stimulant in support of the immune system is involved in so many processes. You also need to be and you should get your vitamin D two levels that if you had a blood test it's about sixty to eighty nanograms desolate so it's a good level of a few minutes in the sun every day. We'll give you that. You may have to supplement to get to that level vitamin C. Vitamin C has been proven in multiple countries now for its benefit and improving the function of the immune system and being countermeasure against Kovic. Nineteen an every other virus so we also need to just get out in nature you need to absorb you need to get all of those microbes back in your hit. A sounds like you're saying we shouldn't be isolated in our homes by worrying can be doing the other thing is we have to understand the impact of our mental health on the health of our immune system. When you're depressed your immune system is depressed if you're if you're fearful if you're cowering in your home and your just terrified of this virus that's been fearmongers. It's been grind in so many ways Then you are depressing your immune system. Get Out Z. That's what I that's why I don't look at mirrors. I don't WanNa get depressed. I don't WANNA BE AFRAID. O- Mary's your favorite picture house. You know that your poster of Thomas Serious when I wanted to. We'll know fun fun question. I have as it could be a told you so because you were talking about this one of the shows. A lot of people have talked about this. This hydroxy chloroquine. Yeah I know somebody by the name of Tracy. Trust who's not a friend of mine but he's a very good friend of a lot of people that I know. He goes in with the corona virus. Which really did have and he was told by. Dr Vouch. Don't take the hydroxy chloroquine. It hasn't been proven and I thought you know what I'm GonNa do. I'm GonNa pull an all nighter. John's GonNa pull an all nighter. Jonathan Kelly's going to do the research we look at this and we find right there on the National Institute of Health website and this is the website that is where publishes the findings of in the team. Right I'm reading. An actual excerpt in Andrew will put this on the notes. When we edit it it reads. Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection spread right. And I'm going wait a minute. He just set on the press conference a few weeks ago that we shouldn't wear a mask in public and now he's saying that we should wear a mask right. He was saying that we shouldn't until five. So we should use hydroxy chloroquine. Which is malaria? Drug? That's been around forever and then on on TV says we shouldn't he says to president trump. We shouldn't shut. The borders is not going to be that bad of a virus. Then he says it's going to be a bad virus can we trust Dr Voucher? Absolutely not so that. Two Thousand and five Article Research. That was done that demonstrated that the the SARS the original source covy was potently inhibited by Cork Win. And Hydroxy chlorine when was came right out of the National Institute of Health when she was a director so the fact that he he knows that science when he threw shade and tried to diminish the efficacy and the important countermeasure that hydroxy corcoran plus zinc. Plus a thorough mizen has become that has been clearly shown in multiple multiple studies now in multiple countries to be very potent inhibitor preventative and an acute treatment. And it's what's keeping people off of the ventilators. The ventilators were a mistake. That was a mistake medical mistake. We've medically mismanaged a lot of these patients. We didn't understand the pathophysiology of the disease process and letting them de compensate and go to ventilator has been a big part of the of the deaths that have occurred in the ICU. Mechanically ventilated patients. Hydroxy Clark when is a safe and effective drug? We've actually in this. Modern era of Cova demonstrated that it is more safe than we even believed Arabia's. Okay so let's talk about this for a second. Maybe you have a take on this alive. Science DOT COM as well as CNN. And you see on Fox. They're all reporting that eighty eight percent of the patients who went on a ventilator in New York died. Eighty eight percent eighty percent eighty eight percent. And we're hearing now that according to Forbes sixty six percent of the people who've who've recently acquired the Corona Virus Dacoven nineteen. They haven't left their homes so it would appear to me from what I'm hearing as those. Dr Falcone has been intentionally MIS leading America. He's saying don't use hydroxy chloroquine. Yeah because he knows it will cure people treat people he says don't he says use a ventilator because he knows it will kill people. He says we shouldn't shut the borders because he knows that we maybe should shut the borders. He says you should. He said you should wear a mask because he knows you shouldn't wear a mask Z. What's your take on your doctor? Your entrepreneur it's GonNa Bank. Listen here's the deal. I love facts trying to assume what a man's intentions are. Okay IS NOT MY GAME. Okay and so you know. There's a lot of coincidence in lot of issues. That point to misinformation. And that's the problem with this so-called pandemic right now is that so much Dr Burch who was mentored by Dr Foul. She so lovely says appointed by. Dr Obama said in an article this week that she she been on the podium at Dr Trump. She's on the side of the UK. Study which is the Abdul Latif Jameel Institute from Neil Ferguson. Google Search Dr Burks. Cdc You can find this article article and now she says quote quote. I can't even believe a rely on the numbers the CDC is here to say and there's nothing from the CDC that. I can trust that I could try nothing. I don't say that she thinks it up to twenty five percent which could be more could be less. I don't know of. The numbers are reporting and other words cases and deaths from covered nineteen. Oh she doesn't believe and we've had people on her show that have as and physicians ground the country that have said reportedly that we are being forced. We'RE BEING ENCOURAGED TO CO PEOPLE. Covert nineteen when we haven't physically diagnosed him with that and just because someone has covert nineteen and has a heart attack doesn't mean they died from cove. Nineteen Dr Scott from Minnesota said the entire life. He's never been coached. How to diagnose somebody with the flu? He's never been coached on how to diagnose a death certificate or to put information on death certificate essentially. What what I've been told I'm hearing this over and over. I WANNA get your take on. This is that if you have any type of flu like symptoms at all. Doctors are being coached to put covert nineteen on there because they get thirteen thousand dollars come into the hospital and because hospitals are being starved for any cash at all. There's sort of a pressure there to get some money coming in because people aren't allowed to come in for elective procedures. Can you break that down? Yeah well I'll tell you one of the things I always say is is show me a financial incentive in medicine. I will show you an outcome so one of the big financial. Incentives has been this this kind of bonus payments of thirty nine thousand for cove in nineteen mechanically ventilated patient. Thirteen thousand additional bonus dollars paid to hospitals for every diagnosis of code nineteen patient. So we are creating this. We're creating this disincentive to do it to us integrity and science my colleagues that I went to school with trained with. They are telling me the same thing. They are being coached. They are being told. And it's right there. Everybody can Google this and Find Department of Health Directors various states talking about this exact issue and if they there's a difference from dying from Cova Nineteen and dying with covered. One thousand nine hundred. Huge percentage of the population is going to have Cova nineteen. They're they're overcoming it. But just because you got hit by a car or you are a a a cancer patient hospice and you die with Cova. Nineteen in your body does not mean that you died from Cova nineteen but the narrative is you know. It's they need the numbers. This was a this whole thing was a boondoggle it was. We've done this again and again again. We did it with the swine flu. We do it did it. With Ebola seek virus. It's the same narrative trying to foist upon the the popularity of written by the same author. Dr Ouchi say that one. We're just same narrative written by the same author of the Narrative Dr Voucher. Yes the same we we are. You're saying you're going on the record saying that you do not believe that the listeners and viewers should trust Dr out now and it starts from the very beginning. You mentioned the Imperial Model. That was used. Let me let me give you an example of how corrupt this whole thing was so when we use pandemic modeling that has to be a peer reviewed process. Neil Ferguson the of that imperial model that was the two point two million deaths in the United States. By the way I WANNA make sure get this because so many people don't know this. You're correct about Neil Ferguson. You everything you've just said is correct. Listeners know this part Neil Ferguson guys he he is he has a job he all the times you give someone a title you give someone a title you say clay. You're the you're you're you're the custodial engineer you're in charge of the bathrooms. You are in charge of you. Say Andrew you're in charge of the parking your the part. His title is the Director of the Abdul. Latif Jimmy Institute for Emergency and disease okay. He's the director of the ABDUL LATIF TO MEAL Institute for Disease. An emergency analytics. That's the title and no one's ever heard that title. That's his job title. And his company was funded by Amazon his organization so no one has mentioned. No one seems to mention at all that Neil Ferguson. The man who made the models that told you to stay home and buy from Amazon was funded by Amazon. And so before you put the ten foil hats on. Everybody needs to Google search right now. Abdul Latif Jimmy Hill funded by Amazon. And you will see hidden in plain sight the connection there. And so so Neil Ferguson. Your there's you know there's there's one degree of separation by all of these people that we're talking about. They're all involved. They're all connected in this web of deceit fraud and corruption. A Neil Ferguson. The fact that foul and berks elected that imperial model to guide our To guide their advisement to president trump is an indication of their corruption so that that was a non-peer-reviewed model that did not release the code for how he was determining what were the what were the parameters. What was the code? That was not done in fact. It wasn't done until about two weeks ago under considerable pressure to have that information released. Neil Ferguson finally released it two weeks ago. He resigns as he was forced to resign because he was breaking the his own policies. He was violating his own team his own quarantine while having an affair while having an affair with this and by the way he was infected with Cova nineteen breaking his quarantine but he was spreading the virus and the the mistress that he was having an affair with had two young children. So this man is. I don't know what to say about him. But here's what I'll say about burkes foul. Jean Burke selected an UNEDU evidenced. It should it was. It was a model that was subsequently shown two weeks ago to be a complete sham when it was reviewed by the a peer review committees and the code riders. They said this is ridiculous. And by the way this was after it had been massaged by Microsoft. They had to do some kind of work to Microsoft. Yes Microsoft was a Bill Gates. Oh He loves virus models he loves. Cbs Gates have vaccines? Don't Bill Gates. Yes he he he funded. He was one of the major with interest. I gotTa make sure I got this. I want to get this idea. I want to get this idea. 'cause I'm a simple man? The virus was created or funded by Dr Fatty. And he's the only one with the vaccine. So it's like here's the problem. Here's here's a solution. The virus it was it was funded and created was created by Dr Couch. And then he's the one who has the vaccine and then the panic that forced everyone to stay home and by Amazon was funded by Amazon. Right now because spiracy I'll make one I'll make one correction to the correction is fouled. She didn't funded the taxpayers fund funded. He's thank you and I say that all the time. Seven point four million dollars a tax payer funds that he illegally moved to fund that lab. It was a violation of international treaties. Against Bioweapon bioterrorism research. This was what he was funding with. Our taxpayer dollars was considered a violation of law. Had it been done in the United States the fact that he is? The Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease Misappropriated misuse taxpayers funds to fund that gain of function research and Wuhan. China is something that will I promise you? Mark my words but it down here He will face charges for that he should and he will face charges for what he's done. These mega point for that. So you get a mega point for that tells the truth right. Let's mega point where the thing I can't believe point and we'll give you a holy cow. I think it's I think it's appropriate and what we're going to do is I'm going to have one final question for you. The more wrap up. Today's show a lot of the pastors. We've got pastors from all over the country. Who are teaming up right now. It is so exciting to see this. Pastors from coast to coast are learning about the corrupt -ness of the models. That predicted the panic. They're learning about the origins of the virus and how she was involved. They're learning about how we shouldn't really trust voucher or Deborah burks. They're learning about the forest. Vaccine that requires aborted baby fetuses. And some of these guys they WanNa talk to you though some of these doctors if someone wants to get a hold of you sir are you. GonNa make yourself available. And how do they do? Absolutely this is my. This is my calling in my purpose. It's not something I want to do. What I do brings a lot of of of pressure on me. It's a anybody that speaks the way I do about these things and I have to be cognizant everything I say has to be based on evidence and it is. I've read it all and I haven't all prepared if I ever have to go to court a win that court case because they evidence and the truth always wins so But but the the issue that we're facing here is something that is so significant to me because we are not only. Are we harming the health of our children with a lot of these the injection of aborted fetal cells into our children and our I should say more correctly? MICRO FRAGMENT DNA and residual cellular proteins that contaminate these live virus. Vaccines only are do. We are already doing that to our children multiple times in the first years of their life. But we're getting ready to add another aborted fetal cell line. Look it up. It's H. E. K. twelve ninety three. That is the designation. That's how they dehumanize the name of this three month. Twelve ninety three That's the cell line quote rhyme for baby murdering. That's right it's that's how they dehumanize that's how we've all been deceived man to not realize that this was there was a human child was sacrificed right and became a contaminating portion of our vaccines delivering to children. All over the world now it's GonNa be mandated forever human in the world and to me I mean I can talk all day about the science of how that's going to increase auto immunity. How it's going to increase pediatric cancers? And how we have the one of the sickest population of children on the planet today. Fifty four percent of children are suffering from one or more twenty-one chronic diseases in the United States we have the worst health of any developed nation in many third world countries are better off than the United States were also the most vaccinated country in the world. 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Culture of Compliance
"Some slack, Ron Vacation John Phillips is filling in for us very ablait. Put find out what's going on in the world. This is John Phillips on loan from Talk Radio Seven Ninety Kabc in Los Angeles in for a vacationing Armstrong and getty. Not Going to Europe. That's not allowed. You can catch me usually from noon to three Pacific Time on am seven ninety KABC in Los Angeles. You can also read me in the orange. County Register A. Daily News Riverside Percent Prize and most importantly, the redlands daily facts can also catch me on twitter at Johnny. Don't like we've got a lot of breaking news this morning and late last night involving Cova nineteen, who better to talk to about it than trauma surgeon expert on mass casualties, former chief medical officer for Harris Walgreens and Continental Airlines. You can follow her on twitter at Dr Kelly Victory Dr Kelly Victory Welcome. Hey great to be with you. John, and yes, the crazy just seems to continue. It's It's groundhog day here. We seem to be amping up the panic to yet. You know new heights despite the fact that the real data would indicate that this thing is starting to. Taper off I think there's just rampant misinformation that's been out there and what the mainstream media is reporting what you're hearing on the news every day, and frankly the actions of a number of these governors. And local politicians just isn't consistent with the data that we're getting from the people who are on the ground, meaning physicians and hospitals that and people who are actually real time looking at the numbers, and what the hospital capacities are according to the date, according to the hard numbers that you've looked at. Where are we right now in this pandemic? Well the bottom line is John that the trajectory of a pandemic. What we were told the curve as it. You know if you will. When we started out this whole thing back in February march, remember the whole thing was. We WanNa flat curve well I'm here to tell you that. The trajectory of pandemic, the curb of a pandemic always flattens. That's how they work. If you do nothing at all the curve Oko up, it peaks as those people who are most susceptible, most frail, most of all those people succumb early on. On they become ill early on, and then as time goes on, both because more and more people have been exposed, because people developed some immunity, and because the nature viruses as they mutate is to, generally in the vast majority of times become less strong, they become less lethal. The the Kirpal always flatten out. If you do nothing at all, it has nothing to do with all of the theater that we've been seeing wearing masks and social distancing whatever the heck that is shutting down businesses and schools and city. City parks, so we really are at the point where we would expect that the numbers are flattening in mission. We have the warm weather which is helping and we are not seeing a search in the only things that really matter which hospitalizations ICU, admissions and death, and that is a fact when we hear people reporting. Oh, my gosh, the ICU's our capacity. Well, let me tell you. People are speaking out finally. We have for example executive in. Texas spoke out about their entire chain of emergency departments that they run. Run and said the ICU's in Texas are relatively full, but they're not full John with Co, the patients their full with people who delayed going to the hospital, delayed going to the doctor for other problems because of the shutdown, because they were fearful, because they were told to stay home, and not go in so people having chest, pains and stroke symptoms and diabetes, complications, and those sorts of things those people showed up at the hospital way later than they should have in our now filling up the ICU's. You Talk to people. Kulik patience they will tell you. These are way younger patients than we'd seen back in February, March and April, they have little. If any symptoms at all, the only reason I got tested is because generally, they were being encouraged to be tested by their employers. Go get a test or they simply wanted to know. They aren't showing up ill. They're showing up generally with few. If any symptoms in in fact, the ers will tell you. Most patients are faking that they have a symptom. They're saying yeah, I have cough or fever simply so that they can get a test. These people aren't ill, and that fits exactly what we've known about covert nineteen from the beginning. We know who the people are. Who are huge risk from this, and it's not the people in their twenties, thirties and forties without underlying health conditions. You're speaking, of course if people who are in hospice care, people who are in nursing homes, and those people were the ones that governors were most cavalier about protecting. That exactly and those are the people in any outbreak in any pandemic. As soon as we know, who is truly at risk from a particular virus, those are the people we should rally around and protect the idea of quote quarantining healthy people. That's not even a thing. We quarantine people who are either sick or people who fall into those risk categories. No, fortunately with Colbert nineteen. The people who are truly at risk were largely the elderly and people with underlying health conditions that is different from other outbreaks. The Spanish flu back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighteen, one of the devastating things with that outbreak was that the people at risk were not the elderly. It was really healthy people in their twenties. Twenties Thirties and forties. That's devastating because that's you're working people so those people had to be located had to be kept home and it was devastating. couvert nineteen is quite different. It's a different virus. It doesn't target people in their teens twenties. Thirties forties and fifties, so the entire shutdown of the economy, keeping healthy people home from work, decimating the livelihoods of millions of Americans shutting down schools and city parks and beaches for covid Nineteen was absolute folly. It wasn't scientifically indicated, and it should never have been done. We should have rallied around those people who are at high risk shutdown. Those assisted living facilities shutdown this nursing homes and made darn sure that we weren't sending infected people back in there. One of the recent developments regarding covid nineteen is that the governors of Florida and Texas who had been digging in their heels, wanting their states to up recently backtrack, they backtracked on the bars, backtracked on the Whitewater rafting tours and in Florida. In certain parts of the state, they backtracked on the capacity of the restaurants ever since they started walking that back other governors in other states including Kansas. California, they're requiring masks. They're down bars. They're shutting down beaches. Honestly I am so disappointed in governor's Avid Santa's for starting that trend. They were on the right path. They a unfortunately, this was a mistake. I believe of epic proportions for them to backtrack in start re shutting things you know back down and start this entire domino effect, then an increase in the number of cases, quote unquote in the United States is absolutely irrelevant. John that number we are focusing. The mainstream media is focusing. Politicians are focusing on the wrong numbers. The number of cases is irrelevant if it doesn't translate into an increase in. In hospitalizations ICU admissions or death, and those three numbers hospitalizations. I see you in depth are down across the board. And they were down even in states that had fully reopened, and you keep hearing from people on the mainstream media will is a wild thing indicator quote unquote well, you get exactly two weeks to say that and most of these states including Texas and Florida had been fully reopened upwards of six weeks, and we were not seeing an increase in death. So that's that's absolutely not true that Oh. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. People run alone, but the Scott is falling isn't and I. don't care how many new cases there are. There are new cases number one because we are testing. To order magnitude more than we were back in February, March and April. There's an increase in testing because we have changed the parameters to be tested. Be Early on. You may recall you had to be pretty darned sick before you could even get a task because they weren't available now as I, said even healthy. Young people who are faking that they've got you know. A fever or a cough are getting a test and I. Don't begrudge them that, but don't be surprised. When you have an increased number of quote cases, we also are seeing some cases of people who are sick coming across our southern border. Border, that's absolutely a fact in what's going on in California and in certain counties there and we likely are seeing an increase in people who test positive because of the folks who are out shoulder to shoulder marching and screaming at each other spaces at protests and riots around the country, but the bottom line is those people aren't getting sick and when I say sick I, don't mean having cold symptoms for few days. I mean putting extra strain on the system. They simply aren't so. We are focusing on the wrong numbers. Are you afraid that there's going to be another full-scale shutdown again with the bars, the beaches closing and and restaurants certainly being limited in their capacity. Oh. You better believe I am. I am terrified about it and it is so. You really have to wonder what the agenda is? I got what I consider to be a chilling email this morning. from the Harvard School of Public Health, where I am a an alum of postgraduate, training and executive education there. a very intensive program to train leaders times of crisis and I was very proud of that. Having been a graduate of those programs that said I received an email that talks about them reopening the school in the fall, and they said they feel that it's safe to reopen as long as we quote. Foster a culture of compliance. A culture of coming lions. Yes, that sounds like something nineteen eighty-four. That exact filling, it made the hair go up the back of my neck. This came from the Harvard School of public. Health. That safe to reopen as long as we foster a culture of compliance that is absolutely if that is not showing you then I don't know where you know you are reading history, because that is frightening to me and so yes I am terrified that they are going to number one. Shut things back down while they work to develop this culture of compliance. which all you have to do is turn on the news now. There isn't anybody this morning John on the news on any channel who doesn't. Doesn't have a face mask covering the they're. They're talking heads that you can't even see their mouths move. It is really really scary. What's happening and I'm telling you just not consistent with the actual data, the important data that we are seeing in healthcare, and there is an agenda that is far different from a public health agenda. That's really going on in this country. How long do you think we know that Ezekiel Emanuel? WHO's Joe Biden's top healthcare advisor said not long ago that he believes that the country should shut down for year and a half. How long can they run with this before they open things up? Well I'll tell you I think it's really gonNA depend on what happens in November because I do believe that the left is very interested in using this to their advantage, not only to gain a lot of traction and a lot of control, but they are for example really using this to double down on Obamacare and you don't hear much about it in the mainstream media, but behind the scenes the. The Democrats are working very hard right now. To expand the reach of Obamacare into expand government intervention in the healthcare system. They're going to use this to derive the narrative that this is why government needs to control the hospitals in the entire healthcare system because what we've learned from Colbert Nineteen and what I'd say is that because they are reporting information that simply does not consistent with. What we hospitals are actually seeing on the ground so I think that they are using this truly to drive other narratives, and unfortunately I think it's what you know the election in November. We I don't know when it's going to stop. Unfortunately president trump and his team and other governors are going to need to take control because he becomes unrecoverable at some point. There's so many small businesses John that will never reopen. There are so many children who have been damaged by despite missing critical elements of their education, not just in terms of the academic piece, but in terms of the so the social and psychological components, the fact what children really are supposed to learn in school, which is so much more than reading writing and Arithmetic all of the social skills it so much of that has been damaging the number of elderly who really are living there last days in isolation, desperate and depressed and anxious, because they haven't been able to see friends and family. Family I mean the amount of suffering, that has been just really foisted upon the American people as a result of this pandemic, and as I said. I've never said that this virus isn't real. I've never said that it isn't serious and that we don't need to absolutely protect a certain category of people so that they don't become ill and succumb to it. I've never said that, but this has been such a botched response, and it is now so clear that the forces driving response are beyond Public Health Dr Kelly victory. Thank you so much for lending your expertise. We always appreciate your time. Great, to be with you John You could follow Dr Kelly on twitter at Dr. Kelly victory more coming up, John. In for Armstrong and getty. Arts. John Phillips is filling in for him and me. G Well. We take in the leisure time yet. We're on vacation John. What's happening? Well there's a whole lot that's happening. Get go to bars anymore. Certain counties in California Texas and Florida. Can't go whitewater rafting and Texas and Restaurants are limited capacity so. Not a lot of people are going to be spending their summers in ways that they typically spend their summers. It's John Phillips in for Armstrong and Getty we just spoke with Dr Kelley Victory, who has referenced repeatedly the boxed reaction, the covid nineteen pandemic well. You'll love this apparently. Dr Anthony FAUCI WHO's the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, director he sat down with Fox News and said that it's quote still too early to say what has caused a major increase in the number of corona virus cases in parts of the US. and. You have to sit here and you just have to shake your head. What was going on two weeks ago? Oh yes, it was the looting. It was the rioting. It was the protests, and he still can't blame them for causing the spread of covid nineteen and the new positive cases. They still won't criticize them. It's just unbelievable. It's John Phillips in for Armstrong and Getty, much more coming up. Armstrong and getty were on vacation, but we need somebody to let you know what's going on in this crazy world. We've chosen fabulous John. Phillips will be back on Monday. But John Take it away. John Phillips on loan from Talk Radio Seven Ninety Kabc in Los Angeles in for Armstrong and Getty. Who are on vacation. You can follow me on twitter at Johnny don't like. So what are the things that we've seen happen ever since the world went crazy. Is that we're taking various. Spokesman I guess you can't even really call them spokesman, but they're. They're images that are associated with products. They're being removed from those products because they've been deemed to be racist sexist. Fill in the blank. It started with an Jemima. She was taken off the the syrup bottles. You can't see the Indian on the land lakes anymore. Uncle. Ben Is gone. It's just a matter of time before pita finds fault with the tricks bunny. And they determine that animal cruelty, and suddenly the tricks bunny is going to have to come off the cereal box I. Don't know what we're going to be decorating all these products with. What are they GONNA? Call Aunt Jemima. Syrup from this point forward. To come up with a different name. What about log cabin syrup. That's the big competitor, right? Maybe, they'll have to change that because that promotes cutting down the forests. But? It's not just products that are having to change their name. Did you see that there now a push to get rid of Mount Rushmore. Out Rushmore one of the few places you can go on summer break. And the Democrats their official twitter. Account The account of the Democratic National Committee. raised eyebrows on Monday, yesterday for accusing President Trump of quote, gratifying white supremacy, after he scheduled a fourth of July celebration at Mount Rushmore. He's showing up to mount. Rushmore to attend. A fireworks display at the iconic landmark that honors George Washington Thomas, Jefferson Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. The tweet. Was and I quote trump has disrespected native communities time and again he attempted to limit their voting rights and blocked critical pandemic relief. Now he's holding rally glorifying white supremacy at Mount Rushmore a region once sacred to tribal communities and quote. I would note. That when you look at Mount Rushmore. There are Republicans that are on that mountain. George, Washington, who is really a federal is not a Republican, but the federalist became the Republicans. Theodore Roosevelt the bull, Moose he was a Republican president Abraham. Lincoln was the first Republican president man who freed the slaves. But. There's also a Democrat on Mount. Rushmore. Thomas Jefferson. And he's not just any Democrat. He's the founder of the Democratic Party. Yes without Thomas Jefferson. There is no Democratic Party. So in this tweet. If, they actually met what they said when they said that Mount Rushmore is a sign of white supremacy. Then so. Is there founder? So is the founder of the democratic. Party Thomas Jefferson. And since Thomas, Jefferson founded the Democratic Party if they consider him to be a white supremacist and someone who shouldn't be celebrated on Mount Rushmore. Than Aren't they profiting off of white supremacy, they still have the name. They haven't changed the name of their party. They're the Democratic Party? Just like they were back when he was president. They have the fundraising dinners, the annual fundraising dinners for their party to call the Jefferson Jackson dinners. So. They're raising money off of his name. In modern times? His face is on the two dollar bill. Should the Democratic, party, be forced to change their name. I mean if they're profiting from white supremacy. Maybe they should be forced to pay reparations. Because if you go back and look at the history. Of the Ku Klux Klan. And other organizations that did horrific things like lynchings and. Cross burnings and Intimidation and violence and terrorism and everything else. Many of these same wizards in the KKK Hey, we're also democrats. Some of them elected Democrats. Bob Bird the senator from West Virginia. He! Was You clansmen? He was a democrat. He was in the US Senate and that ancient history. He served with Hillary. Clinton. He served with Chuck Schumer. He served with Reid. And he was in good standing, not only was he in good standing. But they named. A lot of bridges after him in West Virginia postoffices. Various. Infrastructure items that came with federal dollars and the consent of people like Hillary Clinton. Well if you're tearing down monuments. Because you say they're named after racist people? Will. Why did Hillary Clinton votes named everything in the State of West Virginia after Bob Bird. Was that a lapse in judgment. And if they're tearing down all of these statues. Why not tear down everything in West Virginia, named after Bob if you have a bridge left, so bring a boat. But no organization in America. has more sorted passed on this subject the Democratic Party. None not the Republican Party. Not the Libertarian Party, not the Greens. Although if your parties named the Green Party, you can't necessarily say you don't see color. So. We can take that argument away from them. But the Democratic Party is a party with the worst history. If you go back and look at American history in totality. In regard to race. So if the Democrats have twenty twenty, one say that Mount Rushmore is a monument to white supremacy. Then so is there party? So change the name. Take down all of your fundraisers that raise money off of people like woodrow. Wilson who birth of a nation at the White House all the time? It was his favorite movie. FDR intern the Japanese. Andrew Jackson Killed The Indians and apparently Thomas Jefferson is now considered to be a white supremacist. So then there are very few heroes left the Democratic Party. If you tear down all of their icons, but they have to do that if they want to. You know stay consistent. But I'm serious. Maybe they should take all of the money that they raised off of these figures that they themselves considered to be problematic and instead of spending that money on campaigns and elections. They should pay reparations to the people that they're. Democratic. Leaders have harmed the descendants of them. I think that would be appropriate. And as long as they don't. Pay these reparations and continue to Prophet of what they consider to be white supremacist actions and individuals. Well. Then they're just not getting with the Times, are they? What are they suggest that we do about Mount Rushmore to. They want to blow it up like the Taliban did the. To the Buddhist monuments in Afghanistan, is that what they WANNA do? Show up with dynamite. I'd love to know. What about this show called monument to white supremacy, but his Mount Rushmore? According to Fox News Dot Com they later deleted the tweet. Gee I wonder why John Phillips in for Armstrong and Getty. The. Armstrong and getty show you back to the latest John Phillips. John Phillips in for a vacationing. Armstrong and getty. You can follow me on twitter at Johnny. Don't like and listen to me. On talkradio seven, hundred ninety KABC in Los Angeles my show their ears between noon and three get am seven ninety on your am band or worldwide at KABC DOT com. Well Joe Biden is hanging out in his basement. He's like one of these. potheads that still lives at their family's home. Where they just stay in the basement and never leave. Sitting down playing video games. Watching TV text and his friends. and. It's worked out for him. His poll. Numbers are doing pretty well right now. It looks like he's leading an all the national polls in his lead keeps expanding, and he's doing well in the Purple States. These poll numbers of course are snapshot in time, so things can change dramatically as they often do. Remember Nineteen ninety-four governor's race in the state of California where incumbent Governor Pete Wilson looked like he was d. o. a, he was GONNA lose Kathleen Brown, who was the sister of Jerry Brown, the former California governor and the daughter Pat Brown the long. Time California governor, who is a statewide elected officials state treasurer. Look like she was just going to stomp all over him and become the next governor of California. And, then nineteen ninety four happened. And there was prop one eighty seven. There was three strikes, and you're out and there was a huge Republican wave and Pete Wilson ended up cleaning her clock. Everyone wrote him off. Everyone said Pete Wilson's career was over didn't happen. The guy ended up winning in a landslide in California. Now California in the nineteen ninety. S Isn't California of twenty twenty, but it's still California. It's not Idaho and a Republican was able to win by very large margins. So for people to say that president trump is down and out, and the election is over. They don't know what they're talking about. If the election were held today. Would he lose probably, but the election isn't L. Today. It's going to happen in November And Joe Biden at some point is going to be forced to emerge from his baseman. And do things that candidates are expected to do. He may not have to have a full convention. The Democrats say they're gonNA do something virtually, but he's still going to have to give some kind of convention speech whether it's in his basement or not. He's GonNa have to participate in the debates whether they're in person or not. He's GonNa have to sit down for interviews with members of the press. And he's going to have to campaign. In some capacity. Whether it's just videos. They post on the Internet. or whether he gets out of his house and travels around the country. And the guy by my estimation doesn't have the mental faculties for the job. And you can only hide that so long. Everyone says the most important person in the country of Joe Biden wins. It's going to be his vice president whoever that nominee happens to be I say no. The most powerful person in the country is GonNa. Be Joe Biden's nurse. They might be calling the shots. He's still hasn't decided who is going to nominate to be as VP nominee. And every once in a while, we hear news in terms of who he's vetting and who he's thinking about it any given moment most recently. We heard that California Congresswoman Karen Bass who represents Culver City actually KABC radio is located that she's on the list and she's being vetted. Jesus, former speaker, the California Assembly, who by the way her claim to fame is saying very nice things about Fidel Castro. Good Luck in Florida if you pick Kerryn. But the same names keep popping up com la-. Harris Stays Abrahams Val demings. Elizabeth Warren. About who he's considering for his VP, nominee. And I keep looking at all of these names. All of these profiles to keep finding problems with them. Valdez things was a former police chief in Orlando. Which means for the WO- crowd. She's never going to be woken up. They're gonNA find something wrong with her. They're gonNA. Find some situation in Orlando. That's going to be a huge problem and they're probably already finding them in the vetting process. Kamla was Torney, general and a district attorney in California. The woke crowd will never accept that. Stacey Abrams. Does not come from law enforcement, but never been able to win a statewide election in Georgia, so what she brings to the table. Is Unclear. Elizabeth Warren. Is a lefty, but not left enough to make the Bernie Sanders. People happy so I. Don't know what you get if you nominate her. The person I think would bring most to the table for Joe Biden. Is South Carolina Congressman Jim Clyburn. And you say John. What are you on drugs? Why would he pick another eighty year old man to be on the ticket with him? And I say when you're running for president. It's not like the old days where you're looking for geographic diversity or age diversity. Or Racial. Diversity What you're doing is you're selling a product? And everything that you're selling should reinforce the product that you're selling. Joe Biden's eight year old man. So if you're not comfortable voting for an eighty year old, you're not voting for Jill Biden in the first place. So take that off the list. The second reason that he would probably be Joe Biden's best option. Is that he is not one of these people that's new to the scene, and he's got a certain amount of respectability in the Washington circles. Which means if there were more riots, start popping up in the streets. Biden isn't going to tell them to knock it off. Because they'll say. Why would we ever listen to you? Jim? Clyburn could theoretically step up and say knock it off and there might be some people who listen. And that would be a benefit for Joe Biden. If, he had some degree of influence over getting control over the streets. But who knows. Doesn't seem like he's on the list. But in two thousand, and it didn't seem like. Dick, Cheney was on George. W Bush's list either he was supposed to be the guy that ran the committee to pick the vice presidential nominee, and after he ran through his exhausted exhaustive process. He said that he was the guy. Jim Clyburn is allegedly helping Joe Biden, figure out who he's going to pick to be his vice presidential nominee. Don't be one bit surprised if it ends up being Jim Clyburn. There is no member of Congress that doesn't look in the mirror and see a president. Whether you're in the house or the Senate. They get involved in government because they wanNA, be where the action is. And no place. On Planet Earth has more action than the white. House, so of you think for one second that he wouldn't be interested in something like that your crazy. That's GONNA. Be The next big news that Joe Biden breaks. Whoever it is that he picks to be his vice presidential nominee. And there will be a lot of attention. There'll be a lot of focus on who he picks this Joe Biden. He's an old man. And he's. Losing his marbles. So you better believe that this decision will be one of the most consequential consequential decisions the Joe Biden makes throughout this campaign. All Right? We've got a lot more coming up. It's John Phillips in for Armstrong and Getty. We're going to tell you what's going on. In the state of Texas with the shutdown of the bars and potential shutdown of more items and more services that are currently open and also Dr Barbara, stone. Is GonNa stop by and talk about the two thousand presidential election is president trump in his Batta shape as Tucker, Carlson and others say that he is. 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