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Red Flag Warnings Extended In Los Angeles Area Amid Santa Ana Winds, Dry Conditions
"Have led the weather service to extend red flag warnings. For many parts of L, A and orange counties. They were originally set to expire yesterday, but they'll non state enforced until at least four this afternoon, possibly into tomorrow. The warnings cover several L, a County mountain areas, along with the Angeles National Forest. Santa quarried in San Fernando valleys and inland parts of Orange County of the Santa Ana Mountains. Forecasters say that could be wind gusts up to 50 miles an hour in some areas this weekend and the humanity could drop as low as 8%
Body found of pilot of F-16 that crashed in Michigan
"The search for Wisconsin National Guard pilot whose F 16 crashed in Upper Michigan during a training session is over. The body of the pilot from the Madison, Wisconsin based 115 Fighter wing was found in Upper Michigan's Hiawatha National Forest, where the National Guard says the F 16 crashed Tuesday night during a training mission. Fighter wing commander Colonel Bar van Ruse, saying that today is a day of mourning that the guard stands with the pilot's family is a grieved the loss of a great airman and patriot whose name has yet to be released. Jeff Man. Also Fox
Wisconsin-based F-16 crashes in Michigan during training
"That crashed in an area in Michigan's Upper peninsula. The AP spent Thomas as the story the F 16 Fighting Falcon was assigned to the Wisconsin Air National Guard's 115th fighter wing at Truax Field Air National Guard Base in Madison, Wisconsin. It was on a training mission when it crashed about 8 P.m. Tuesday in a remote part of Hiawatha National Forest on Michigan's Upper peninsula. About 250 miles northeast of the base. The area includes the Lake Michigan Shore line. At this point, the cause of the crash and the status of the pilot are unknown. The Wisconsin Department of Military Affairs says Search and rescue efforts are being carried out on the ground in the air and in the water. I'm Ben Thomas, members of the Minneapolis
Wisconsin-based F-16 crashes in Michigan during training
"Searchers are looking for the pilot of a fighter jet that crashed in a National Forest in Michigan's upper peninsula the F. sixteen fighting falcon was assigned to the Wisconsin air national guard's one hundred and fifteenth fighter wing at Truax field Air National Guard base in Madison Wisconsin it was on a training mission when it crashed about eight PM Tuesday in a remote part of Hiawatha National Forest on Michigan's upper peninsula about two hundred and fifty miles northeast of the base the area includes the Lake Michigan shoreline at this point the cause of the crash in the status of the pilot around known the Wisconsin department of military affairs says search and rescue efforts are being carried out on the ground in the air and in the water I'm Ben Thomas
F-16 crashes in Michigan; pilot's status "unknown"
"Crashed last night in Michigan's upper peninsula, and searchers are looking for the pilot. The fighter aside to the Wisconsin Air National Guard, was on a training mission. The cause of the crash and the Hiawatha National Forest and the status of the pilot are not known.
UN Libya envoy reports on significant achievements towards peace
"This is matt well as you're news. Following a decade of political instability and conflict libyans are on the path to peace and the international community needs to do its part which includes respecting an arms embargo. Top official there said in an exclusive interview with our un news. Aerobic team stephanie. Williams acting special representative of the secretary general commended. The first round of political talks between the government of national accord in libyan national army held last week and she initiate ms williams spoke to my yakub about ongoing developments in libya. Since the signing of historic ceasefire agreed last month under the auspices of the un mission in the country. Un's mil which she had. A ceasefire agreement itself was really greeted of rate of ause across the via. Withings were so relieved to see more officers. Come together with very great sense of national responsibility and to reach across the table. Shake hands and really for the sake of libya start to take steps to To unify institutions to ease the conditions for average le'veon's and to really pave the way for the resumption of the political process. You have just concluded the first first-round of critical dialogue forum. Are you happy with the results. In how are the preparation for the second round going preparations for the second round or underway. I am very pleased with what happened here in tunis. Last week seventy five participants came the sach talk for some of them really the first time that they have come together since the revolutions twenty eleven over these long years of crisis and division and they to gingrich national responsibility an desire for reconciliation and desire to put the country on the right on the libyan to restore rabin decision making in socrates. They're very intensive day. They accomplished a lot. They decided that national elections should be held on december fourth. Twenty twenty one which marks seventieth anniversary of libya's independence. So what better day. For libyan's to come together to renew their institutions through credible inclusive and fair elections. They also agreed a national roadmap for a preparatory period leading up to elections they renamed. The perogatives are reformed presidency council and a separate premiership in unity government in. They also agreed the eligibility criteria for candidates to these positions. I am really pleased to say that of the seventy five participants. The women's participants really stood out. They came together as a block fairly early on in the process started working on a statement issued outline really a series of principles recommendation. She improving women's participation in the political process and governance. They demanded that remains should account for no west thirty percent of the leadership positions in the recently formed executive authority and that was also echoed in the roadmap which was consensually agreed by having participants. On the last day miss williams. You just mentioned the election. What will will on smell. In how how would smell facilitated so are we support of the higher national elections commission. Which is the national sovereign body in libya that is charged with organizing elections. We also work directly with the authorities in the government of national board to ensure that they support the h. neck through expanding. Its operations and i'm pleased to say that. The government of national forest has announced that they will on begin this much needed financing of the h neck. So we will stand with the libyan stand with the elections commission as they undertake the challenging. Work ahead to organize these much desired national elections. You also spoke about women. What is awesome The wing to ensure the representation and participation of libyan women the election. But also andy libyan seen in general so. We made sure that arabian women were strongly represented in the political dialogue. They are also were paraded in economic dialogue. And in terms of what we're doing you know we are facilitate Gender sensitive gender inclusive legislation to be taken out by the the libyan parliament. And that will we believe. Better enable access. Stir women candidates to office. And those who will no doubt be running. In the parliaments
"national forest" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"Gulick is a photographer and author of salmon in the trees. Life in alaska's thomas rainforest the tonga's is one of the largest intact temperate rainforests in the world. It's also a national forest not a national park and as such the tonga national forest must serve many purposes. Well last month. The trump administration despite heavy opposition opened up more than half of the tonga's to logging and other development reversing federal protections that had been in place for almost twenty years so from npr and wb. You are meghna chakrabarti and today on point. We'll explore a critical forests complex future and joining us to help us. Do that is joel jackson. He's the tribal president of the village of cake and he spent his whole life in the tonga's national forest. He joins us from cake. Joel welcome to the program to be on the program. Also with us. Is john shane. He's a professor of wildlife biology at the university of alaska fairbanks. He's worked with the alaska department of fish and game and is the author of tonga's odyssey seeing the forest ecosystem through the politics of trees. John welcome to you Thank you very much. It's great to beyond so joel. I wonder if you could just start us off by talking a little bit about the importance of the tonga's forest well the tunga source who are native. People that live within the tonga's is very important for many.
"national forest" Discussed on Short Wave
"So matty it's been a full year since that episode and final decision by the trump administration has been made but not without members of the public. Winging when law for instance. It's going to be cutting my arm off because displaces. A part of me and is in my dna living year for hundreds of years is just part of me every alaskan native here. That's murphy at a hearing in ketchikan alaska in the heart of the tonga's eleven alaskan native tribes signed a joint letter saying they wanted greater say in the forest was managed and the forest service in response to its effort to get rid of the robots rule received thousands of unique comments from all over the us including alaska and the majority ninety six percent voice supports to keep the rule in place. Ninety six percent is there's a lot it's a lot. But eric jordan fishermen set cut kind of called the final outcome a year ago us. He's had the public input likely. Wouldn't amount to much not your words not your testimony at the back submitted in washington. Dc in. juneau alaska are in your your comments at. You should be outage someone who's been following this issue really closely is eric stone. So he's a reporter at krld in ketchikan and basically. He says the reason this is happening is because the people who want to keep the robots rule in place and the people who hold most of the power in alaska are two different people. Both in independent governor. Andy republican governor have have asked the forest service to roll back these protections because they see them as forestalling development here in southeast alaska for southeast alaskans. What kind of development are we actually talking about. Here we're talking about logging for sure but all kinds of development like it might be easier for mining and renewable energy projects to get off the ground to we have a lot of rain and steep slopes here so hydro-electricity is a big thing here. In addition to things like roads right roads to connect those thirty to island communities telecommunications projects could be big high speed internet but it would all go down in america's biggest carbon sink and that's concerning not only for alaska's environment but for the world. So what happens. Now when president elect biden comes into office. Yes so it would likely take an act of congress to reverse this action. If there was the will for that and reinstate the robust role in some way the biden administration could go through the federal rulemaking process. All over again like kind of going back to the drawing board on it right or if the democrats control the senate there would be enough votes to set into motion. The congressional review act. It's a law that gives congress the power to instantly overturn rules by federal agencies researcher with the congressional research service says that it would basically be like the rule had never taken effect so while it's theoretically possible. Eric has some doubts that congressional action happen. Because again alaskan leadership has long wanted this for decades. I don't really see the decision to roll it. Back being reversed interested to see how this impacts future development in alaska whether we will see you know higher harvest levels whether we will see additional development that we wouldn't have otherwise seen developing in the tonga's still comes with red tape. There's permits environmental impact studies. There's limitations actually. On how much timber can be harvested. So there wouldn't be an explosion. Logging got it but you can think of the role bliss rule as the biggest piece of red tape now cut and.
"national forest" Discussed on Short Wave
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Some of them are enormous skyscrapers widest cars. We're not talking exactly about trees you can hug. You don't know how long my arms on we're talking about old growth forest. Some of the most ancient trees in america four hundred five hundred even eight hundred plus years old. And it's here. That tony and his family have hunted and fished for generations. Tony is a member of the haida tribe and the tonga's is their indigenous land prize of the elements of the land around me. Because i lived on deer meat and berries and ishmael life has two main staple that might communed last night was a fried soccer greens off the beach and so it definitely shapes the community here has a big role in the economy to absolutely you know. He grew up on the deck of a fishing boat. The congress is a huge spawning site for wild salmon on the west coast and as a teenager in the nineteen nineties. Tony found work through the logging industry. His family operated a tugboat. That helped load massive trees onto ships for export to china japan and other places. How big were these logs that you were pulling onto the tugboat. Don't wanna timur us when you're getting into all dresser talking five six feet across across the but y that's a massive massive trees lobby grows and this is peter. Prince of wales was dotted with logging camps. In this time we'll just a lot of companies. A lot of people working in the industry. Money was flowing timber operations. Were logging a lot of and making money at it happened in sitka to where i used to live. Trees have long been economically important to the region. But they're critical for something else to second carbon out of the atmosphere. Do you know about the carbon cycle. I've heard of her. That cycle where trees draw carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and lock it away for centuries in their leaves and stems branches and brutes and that natural process of carbon sequestration and trees. It's really critical when we think about you know how much excess carbon is in the atmosphere so from a global warming perspective. This is pretty important. Exactly we need those rainforest to survive. That's dominic nulla chief. Scientists for the geos institute in oregon and the trees will do fine without us but they're pulling that carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and acting as the planet's lungs you can imagine why dominic was pretty distraught. When news broke that the us force service wants to exempt alaska from something called the road. Less rule. talk me through that a little bit more all the road. This rule has been kicking around. Since the clinton administration it bans roadbuilding logging on designated areas. But the forest service at the request of alaskan leadership like senator lisa murkowski. So you know. I always have to talk about the tongue us. When we're talking about our use our forest she and other lawmakers have been pushing for changes to the road rule for years but about ninety three percent of its lands off limits to most development which certainly does not benefit the thirty two island communities that are located there. It's really hard to have an economy when everything is off limits to you more access is needed in okay so this is obviously very complicated situation but from a strictly environmental perspective. Is that bad well. It's troubling right if you consider. The tunguska contains an estimated eight percents of carbon in america's forests cutting that down would undoubtedly release carbon into the atmosphere. And how is one way he measures. What's lost is through. Something called the leaky bucket metaphor. Okay go on picture. The forest as a big bucket of water with holes in it done as long as water is falling into the bucket at the same rate as it's leaking out. There's no net loss of that water right same with carbon so as long as the forest can capture the same amount of carbon as is being lost through tree death and decomposition logging. It's okay but if you cut down that forest all of a sudden you have punched really big holes in the bucket. Even though the forest is growing back you've punched so many holes in that bucket. You've lost most of the carbon in the original forest bucket and those holes a so big from the logging never really capture the amount of carbon that was in the original forest bucket. Now i should say the timber industry in southeast alaska is a shadow of what it used to be in the late twentieth century and relaxing. The road less rule will likely create jobs. But it would also do the kinds of things to the environment that tony fears. Alaskans are already struggling with climate change. The state is heating up twice as fast as the global average. I mean this feels like a lot of the climate reporting. We do right. It's not straightforward. There are people that need jobs. The economy you know obviously needs to prosper in those areas. But it's.
Road, logging restrictions to end in largest US national forest
"With the trump administration taking shots at our fragile planet to get some votes before the election earlier this week the Department of Agriculture announced they'll be lifting environmental protections from Alaska's Tonga's national forest. It's the largest forest in the country, one of the largest intact temperate rainforests in the world, and it's also home to the greatest known concentration of Bald Eagles. The metaphor is just too obvious and yet I can't totally articulate it because I'm just pissed off. Just, messed up The USDA's decision will lift restrictions on logging and building roads throughout the park which conservation groups say will have a disastrous effect moving on from pristine forests. The trump administration set their sights on wolves are removing endangered species, protections for gray wolves across most of the country that decision could allow people in Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin to start hunting them again, conservationist say it's premature and could lead to extinction so.
California Creek Fire: More than 346,000 acres burned, 60% contained
"The creek fire, which has destroyed 856 structures and burn thousands of trees and the Sierra in India. National forests is now 60% contained as of this morning, According to Cal fire, the flames have burned more than 346,008. Sirs. Since mid September, air quality continues to be degraded by the statewide blazes and was listed as unhealthy for sensitive groups in Fresno, Madeira and Tillery counties president reversing an earlier decision from federal officials and is releasing millions of dollars in relief. That's the news. I'm Phil
"national forest" Discussed on Native America Calling
"For reaching out here on here. Yes thank you very much for taking my call i. just kind of chimed in and I just wanted to say that I flew over I flew out. Of CLA, walk last week flew over Prince of Wales Island. And I saw these huge patches they were everywhere where. They clear. Cut Sections of forest. They left nothing it looked like it looks like a little hurricane hit these areas. It was horrible. These are all over all over the Tonga's and. If we allow. Roads to go into these areas. I fear that these patches Will proliferate the landscape. Now, I just want to say this it's my understanding that. If these roads are built. That the taxpayers pay for the building of the roads but the loggers are the ones that use the roads. And so you know that right there doesn't make sense to me why would Why would taxpayers have to pay for the roads? When private companies are the ones that are going to be using them it? The whole thing doesn't sound right I. Think it's better to leave the forest intact. The natives have the spiritual maturity to understand that the forces way more valuable. As an intact ECO system so that people can go and. And commune with ECO system we're watching the destruction of the Amazon I get it. The the indigenous peoples have a right to make money. But it's a finite resource and we shouldn't allow. The terrain to be clear cut for money today. And it echoes system that has gone forever. All right. Steve Thank you for giving us a ring and you know that is a big issue the roads that would be built maybe that's something you've also been following any thoughts one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight is a number we are talking about opening up a development in the Tonga's national forest and what do you think about all that? What do you think about consultation in this matter has it happened? Well, what do you think one, eight, hundred, nine, six, eight, four, eight is the number and Dr World we've got a minute before break anything to add. Well We just WanNa make sure that we are able to protect the land. We WanNa make sure you know that the federal government is is has meaningful consultation with our people with our tribes and our communities. I think you for that and we will keep these phone lines open anything you want to end one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight, is the number. Ns, the star of the show maybe you just tuned in now catch you up recently the US Forest Service issued an environmental impact statement that could reverse the road less rule, which could also mean more than nine million acres of land in the Tonga's national forests could be. Opened up for development, some development could mean logging in. We've heard from our guest today of that. Some of that has happened in the past there were lessons learn but moving forward and thinking about how all of these things connect you can join us to one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight is a number what about in your own tribal community? How are you relating to what you're hearing in Alaska especially when it comes to? Environmental Impact Statements comet periods, and is the native voice always heard You can share your thoughts if you're listening to what's going on in Alaska dial into one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight, number maybe you have some questions go ahead calling with those two, one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight we're going to hear from a couple of more tribal leaders and where they stand all this, but we'd also like to hear. From. Those who are in the industry to if you're in the logging industry and you have another view, you'd like to share go ahead and dial in one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight is a number. We look forward to your calls, your questions, and maybe you have a bit of history to in culturally what does all this mean? One Eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight is a number go ahead and dial in. Support for journalism that raises the awareness of child well, being to citizens and to policymakers provided by the Annie E. Casey Foundation. Building a brighter future for children, families and communities information at eighty cf dot org support for law and justice related programming provided by Hobbs, Strauss Dean and Walker L. l. p. a national law firm dedicated to promoting and defending tribal rights for more than thirty years more information available at Hobbs? Strauss dot. com. Thanks for tuning into native America Calling Tara Gatewood, and we are talking about the Tonga's national forests in Alaska today the largest national forests in the nation and the trump administration and others would like to open it up for logging and other development. Where do you stand on this decision? This thought there still time to join the conversation all you gotta do is dial one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. Here. With us on the line today joining us out of Ketchikan Alaska is Norman Skin. He is the president of the Ken Indian community. He is clinked and it's a pleasure to have him here presented skin. Welcome. Thank. You very much for inviting me onto a wonderful program i. really appreciate everything you guys do for getting the word out in Indian country. A little bit of history on who we are. We're on the very bottom of the. Panhandle of Alaska maybe. Alaska standards, anyway. We're urban and there's about nine thousand people living in our community and that a third of them are a native citizen. So you so roughly three thousand. People that we represent here. Well thank you and welcome also joining us from coack. Alaska is Lawrence Armor. He's the tribal administrator for the Quick Cooperative Association. He is click it and it's our pleasure to have him here. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. and. So gentleman I would like to hear your thoughts on where things stand in. You know just where we are in the process, the EIS is out but what does that mean? Can it be rolled back or is this what's going to happen a lawrence go ahead and give us an update. Well. The one, the one thing that really stood out to me In the four services review of comments of the draft environmental. Impact Statement. They confirmed that ninety six percent. Of The commenters opposed lifting restrictions. And only one percent of wanted to full exemption. So we're not only going to try. Their knowing anyone that bothered speak up..
"national forest" Discussed on Native America Calling
"Native American. Radio Network. This is native America calling I'm Tara Taraji would the Tonga's national forest is largest national forests in the country. It's a coastal rainforest full of some of the oldest trees in in this nation, and the forest is dearly seventeen million acres in total in southeast. Alaska. Alaska native tribes in the area traditionally access the forest for a variety of reasons, including hunting and traditional gathering. Recently the US Forest Service issued an environmental impact statement that could lead to reversing what's called the rolex rule for more than nine million acres of land in the Tonga's which would ultimately open access to this area to logging and other development nearly a dozen southeast, Alaska tribes, including environmental conservation groups, and some political leaders are at odds with the administration's decision. To open the forest to further development, they say the administration lacked adequate tribal consultation. In this hour we'll hear different sides of the issue and we'd like to hear from you too. If you're in Alaska, what do you think about removing the road less rule in the Tonga's join our conversation by calling one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four that's also one eight, hundred, nine, nine, native today we are going to start off in cake. With us today is Joel Jackson. President, of Organiz village of cake. My pleasure to have him here. Welcome to native America calling president. Jackson welcome. For having me on your show and It's always good to present our side of the story We've been in this little So. Interesting that. where making news across the country? Yeah. Well, that news is spreading fast and prison. Jackson is also link in Haida and President Jackson. When we think of this issue I know that you know it touches home in in it is part home and for you President Jackson would you like people to know about just the history of how long protection of this area has been and now a threat to that? we've been here Wherever from those stories I heard from my grandfather's my uncles, my father's. We've been here forever. At least over ten thousand years or more. And These are. The lands that my ancestors walked on. we have a traditional area we. true out years ago was a map called Goldschmidt and Haase map. Of our traditional customer use area. And Compass about two point two, million acres. Of Land in waters around us. So we have a rather large Customary traditional use area. And You know. We know the effects of logging Personally I was a logger for. Almost twenty five years. I built road for logging operation that are. Local and regional corporations native corporations Participated back. In, the day. And we know that pex of logging virtually. In our streams around our community so We don't. Want any more alert large-scale logging. Doesn't mean that we're totally against logging. I I know there's a few Local mills that aren't Prince of Wales we've got a couple of local meals here. So you know smaller scale logging. Fine with us. President Jackson when you say the effects of logging that he could have and and there was a time when there was a lot of going on in the area and what specifically was observed what happens when allied lag logging happens? Well, we know we witness that in our little village chair we got. Little to stream set Some right down. in our really cheer And we noticed well I noticed and other people do as. Before logging, you know I grew up playing in those streets and pitching fish. Sorry about that You know I, I grew up. In in those streams catching station stuff and the when it rain the screen we. Raise gradually over time as it rained. It rained a long time. It would. You know come up really high. Would stay that way and after done got done raining than it would gradually receipt. And have to log in we noticed that when it rained. The Water level would rise very quickly in the screams. It would turn into like almost flood stage. and. Then after it quit raining after a day. Less than a day would be back down to where? It was hard lane water industry. That's one of the one of the things we we witnessed. And also the The deer and Moose, and bear weren't as plentiful. After we're done logging Get took longtime port she. Finally our lands and our be wildlife on those lands are finally Healey And so there were as hear from you lessons learned from before and now hearing that there is an environmental impact statement. What does that change? What does this statement mean to you? What would it mean to this area that you can too? Well I know there's A few sales on our island cooper nonviolent And Just a little history, but for service in logging. you know they. They were here for years log in in our area. And around us And basically all decrees that were left where left because they. Value wasn't there in in the trees that were there. so they were left and the. Same with our neighbor and highland co Q. U. Highland. that was heavily logged here ago and you know they they impact. So these industrial-scale log in has really really hurt or our landscape. You know people say that renewable resource but. originally, they said fifty years, we'd have marketable timber. But come to find out if two years passed than the crease weren't near. Marketable timber so You. Know it's GonNa be well over a hundred years before they're marketable again. So it's Something that we want to hold onto his our old growth timber that we have left because like they said are. Are wildlife and everything. It's just now recovering Or seen more deer, we're seeing more Moose there. And we want him to disturb our. It's like our medicine cabinet out there. We have a lot of medicines get out there. And also. A variety of berries grow out there. We depend on. In. So with this, was there any consultation with tribes and it was was it had quit? Go ahead President Jackson..
Indigenous leaders condemn Portland violence before Indigenous Peoples Day
"A group of native leaders joined the Mayor of Portland and in indigenous lawmaker Monday in condemning violent protests that toppled statues of Theodore, Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln over the weekend and damaged buildings including a Museum Oregon Live reported lawmaker Tana Sanchez who is Shoshoni Bannock, and you'd called the damage to the Oregon Historical Society as well as downtown businesses and buildings at Portland State University. Obscene. Inappropriate and unconscionable protesters broke windows at the society's building a quilt made by black women to honor contributions by the black community. Ahead of the country's bicentennial was left in the street in the
interview with Kate Breakey
"Welcome to the show. Thank you very much. It's a great honor in infect and I went to a legit from now on I went back and watched a whole lot of fees and. What I've seen missing. Thank you. That's very kind of you. Yeah. I very much enjoyed doing it especially when you have a chance with people to talk with people like you. But you're just saying that you raised in Australia and looking at your work. One of the things that I it brings to mind for me as a person who believes sorta appreciate your work is sort of a dearth of relationships that is a city boy have had with with wildlife and nature. Other than cats and dogs, occasional mice, you know. Growing up there really was no relationship with nature at all. I have a little more now because I live near the edge of the Angeles forest. So we get the occasional Bob Cat and bear and you know coyote. But still that connection with wildlife pretty rare and I think that is the case for most Westerners and a lot of your work revolves about their relationship with with animals but I'd love for you to sort of take us back to when you were growing up. In Australia and how that relationship, how that understanding of of of wildlife in relationship to the lives of human beings including us of sort of took shape. I mean I was very lucky. Kid had probably an idyllic childhood because in a a rural country town with. Like NATO Food in scrublands and wilderness, Invest Open spaces and. The Southern Ocean. One big sort of giant playground and there was wild animals, kangaroos everywhere and it was. It was just a lot of allowed animals. Lot of indigenous people obviously living in the towns still have been counted with a match Rura primal idea about the relationships that was just part of the way you incorporated in a way because you knew these people. Trees to climb as said, the Ocean to swim in galloped horses along the beach is kid Babak had like a fabulous life really and again strategies like of untouched food nece and beaches that go on fed miles in is not one single person on the except the odd. Not, to get eaten by shock, which happens routinely. saw. Also, I had parents who were. Interested godless got mystere interested in biology botany end I just grew up sort of fat knowledge is part of my experience of the world and I guess just evolved into love my desire to sort of make images about all of that stuff and so finally enough I've never taken photography 'cause I've never really lived in will victim cities not the kind of cities that kept intense thing going on that becomes. Hugely. Interesting to people who are strafed office. So I've never really taking pictures of people buildings and every now, and then when I get asked to jury show I often get someone else to come and sort of see my selection and I say but you haven't picked one person who. People. including genre he begins it gets a bit by. Anyway. I'm much appreciate I grew up. I went to at school lead freelance all those people who are doing that very conceptual sort of. City staff at copied them. But when it comes right down to what I WANNA do and what I love doing its photographing in the natural world and. Ordering it in this way. So I would say that my childhood absolutely was like the biggest influence in all of that in my life. I love because at the edge of the national forests, we have wildlife particularly the. Coyote packs up. Here. On the social media, I think it's called next door. There are a lot of people who you know who who are probably more city-fied than even I am I know Deauville complain about the coyotes in what they can do about it in my and I think wait a second. Clear in their yard right and it seems like people look at wildlife here as is the the inconvenience even though they live at, you know at the edge of the forest and I think when when I consider your work and your approach to it, you're the dynamic of how people exist with animals is very different from what many of us are used used to and so when you're when you're young you kind of mentioned that you had all that sort of wildlife around you. Talk to me about the relationship might sort of felt like was it like like a we're just we're just temporarily this we're living in their. In their. Not really because you know back then I guess in the sixties, people still went out and show Kangaroos to feed. Wildlife was just part of something that you still kind of used. It wasn't there wasn't a great deal respect for it. You know the Kangaroos are called every year because they basically, there's more kangaroos than they should be. It's like united. So every time there's a drought named died, but people go out and shoot them pharmacy eight them because it was cheap made now they used in. In restaurants because it's considered gourmet neat because it star Lean and good for you. Is All this fusion going on with kangaroo mation. Asian spices in the whole nine yards been to Australia. No not. You know you gotta gotTa sit nate is the best place on earth anyway. And so we had friends who had. Farms or because stations but sheep stations and envy would muster the sheep and then the shears would come in and share them in the be sheepdogs who are just working animals. It wasn't really very romantic. They just happened to be just tons and tons and tons of animals and ahead Ananta Nakal who sort of animal rescuers before it was really official, I would collect up injured bids the anything and bring them in and. Resurrect. Going out to their house, they was just everything was a wombat. There was mad pies. It was Joey kangaroos still a great spirit in Australia because we just had a, you probably know last Christmas we had this dreadful dreadful wildfires where green three billion animals died, and there was a great cold out to people to take animals that were bent to to see if they could be rescued and so sort of regular people do that they go out. In their cars and collect up these things that you know stagnant injured to take them back to the triage animal rescue centers to be either destroyed or treated as I. said that call out to people to to look after them and a surprising amount of people do this because Australia kind of especially, the comic stuff united the the Co Alison the kangaroo is so there is this kindness towards animals and I think because so few people. In this giant continent at so many more. So many wild animals there is a slightly different attitude I. Mean I was GonNa say about city people saying, what are we gonNA do about the coyotes deer eating my vegetable garden you know if you get rid of the coyotes, you'll have more rabbits and end up eating a vegetable garden. You can't control because system you you start ruining at the whole thing goes to hell as we saw Anna, we're getting the pollinate is going the birds in the beast is three billion less birds were in the seventies and they the pollinators and we needed a pollinators. So we actually have trees and on and on and on guys as you know is just becomes this huge horrendous mess. So it's more
Los Angeles Bobcat Fire Possibly Caused By Vegetation Contacting SCE Conductor
"Says the Bobcat fire may have been caused by vegetation coming into contact with one of their overhead conductor. C is investigating the cause of the ignition. The fire was reported near Cogswell Dam in the Angeles National Forest at 12:21 P.m.. On September 6th. A camera at Mount Wilson captured smoke in the area as early as 12:10 P.m.. On September 16th SC removed a 23 ft Long line of the conductor for the U. S. Forest Service. To use in their investigation. As of Sunday, the fire was 92% contained with more than 300 firefighters still working. The blaze close to 116,000 acres of Russia burned. Full containment is projected to be October. 30th Maggie
California August Complex wildfire surpasses 1 million acres - largest in the state's history
"California Governor Gavin Newsom says that the August wildfire complex burning in the rugged Mendocino National Forest has scorched more land that all of the recording fires in California between 1932 in 1999 August complex 45% contained in some 878,000 acres last week. Bird now breaking One million acres, unprecedented California's history this simply the largest active wildfire in the state's history of
Containment On Los Angeles County Bobcat Fire Climbs, 83 Homes Destroyed
"The Angeles National Forest crews have been able to get a good hold on the bobcat fire. The nearly 115,000 acre fire now 75% contained it's destroyed at least 83 homes near the San Gabriel Mountains.
Los Angeles Firefighters Gain More Ground On 114,000-Plus Acres Bobcat Fire
"Evacuation orders and warnings now been dropped as crews get a better handle on the huge bobcat fire that started in the Angeles National Forest almost three weeks ago, then moved into the southern Antelope Valley. Words destroyed a number of homes with some other orders and warnings are still in effect, but fires now 61% contained after burning just over 114,000 acres. And at this point, firefighters are mainly focused on patrolling the edges of the affected areas and quickly knocking out in the hot spots. There, especially sermon to keep the flames from crossing any of their lines and of warmer temperatures in new Santana winds that are expected during the coming week.
Trump Administration Moves To Expand Development In Alaska's Tongass National Forest
"Elected President Trump has rolled back or weakened more than 100 environmental regulations today, he added, yet another his administration moved to open up the nation's largest national forest for development on the new vase has the latest Judy, the Tongass National Forest in Alaska, has been called America's Amazon. It's one of the world's largest temperate rainforest absorbing carbon dioxide emitted by the United States. Which is why the plan to roll back protections is worrying environmentalists and climate scientists. Coral Davenport has been following the story for the New York Times and she joins me now, coral welcome back to the news hour. Let's just start with what exactly it is that the Trump administration is proposing changing what would the rollbacks entail? So the Trump Administration proposed has been working on this rule change for a couple of years. What's about to happen is that in the next 30 days, it's going to become final. What they're doing is lifting a Clinton era protection. It's called the roadless rule. It was a national national law that banned logging and road construction in most of the nation's forests. The Trump Administration is lifting the roadless rule in seven million acres of the 16 million acre Tongass National Forest. So that is a huge amount of Pretty much pristine wilderness, including about 160,000 acres of virgin old growth forest that would now be open to logging construction road development. The
Los Angeles - Containment More Than Doubles On Bobcat Fire
"Containment of the bobcat fire in the Angeles National Forest is at 39%. That's more than double the containment of the day before the blaze has consumed more than 113,000 acres and destroyed or damaged at least 29 homes. It has also covered 90% of the devil's punishable and wrecked the nature Center.
Are We Being Forced to Buy Stocks
"Last week in the insiders guide email newsletter I pointed out the expensive valuation of US stocks. Specifically I showed that the forward price to earnings ratio the P. E. based on earnings estimates over the next year was twenty, two point nine. That's three standard deviations above its average of sixteen times going back to two thousand, three at data from Ned Davis. Research. In reply to that email, Andrew wrote regarding stocks being expensive on a forward e true but there's no alternative. What do you do with bond yields near Zero and the vanguard total stock market? Index. Fund. Yielding two percent. By VPI, the vanguard total stock market ETF. JASA forwarded to me a paper by Bridgewater says, which I'll discuss in more detail later in this episode. I had a similar question from a plus member in the money for the rest of US plus member forums. He wrote. So the Fed signals that it wants to keep rates low for three more years. Canada's pension. Fund is reevaluating bond-holdings and you've got an army of small and large investors bidding up companies like Tesla and snowflake to absurdly hype. All this combined to make me think are we as individual investors now forced to buy equities? Is this the mother of all bubbles in which there's literally no other things suitable for purchase. There is a lot of speculation in stocks right now. Jim. Bianco Bianca Research pointed out that small traders are dominating the options market. Bear most of the trades right now and seventy five percent of that volume is an option contracts expire in two weeks. So short term bets. Look at South Korea and article from Bloomberg pointed out that day traders in South Korea have accounted for eighty seven and a half percent of the total value of stocks traded in the first part of September. You. Some men chief strategist at Samsung Securities said retail investors appear to be seeking short-term profits after hearing their next door neighbors earned lots of money from stocks after the March selloff. Receiving a similar situation in India. The Financial Times reports that the number of individual investor accounts rose twenty percent from the start of the year, the twenty, four million, and they point out that around the world, an influx of investors are investing in stocks for the first time. Are. We in a bubble? Is it a speculative frenzy? Are we forced to buy these stocks because there are no alternatives with also? One of the things I like to do investing is think about what's different this time what's unusual? What what doesn't fit the pattern? I had two instances of investing this past week where something didn't fit the pattern Lebron, I were driving up in the mountains of Montana and a small bear cub really bolted right in front of us no idea what it was running from. My son suggested he was running from the year twenty twenty. And then few days later at our front door, there were seven cows drinking water from the driveway eating our bushes. There are no cows around us. We live in an area that nobody keeps cows but there they were right in front of my house. Turns out. They had strayed from the National Forest, which is not very far some outfitters have grazing rights and drop off the cows and leave them there all summer pick them up come late October, and they had straight down because some of that newly cut barley fields, but it didn't fit the pattern. Cows at your front door. Don't fit the pattern. What's different now on investing front that could justify more expensive valuations for stocks. Well, for the first time, ever US interest rates are near zero from short term out to ten years. This is known as a flat yield curve, which is an unusual. We've had flat yield curves in the past. But it's flat near zero. There was a flat yield curve where ten treasury bonds and cash for yielding similar back from two thousand and five to two thousand seven. But yielding four percent. And from two thousand to two, thousand, two cash and tenure treasures were yielding five to six percent. Today, the ten year Treasury yield is zero point, six percent and cash is zero. The Federal Reserve intense to keep it that way. The recent policy statement suggests that they will keep their policy rate. What's known as the Fed funds rate near zero until labor market conditions have improved. The. Unemployment rate has dropped close to to to maximum employment and that inflation has risen to two percent is on track to moderately exceed two percent. They included their economic and rate projections and all, but four officials on the committee. Expect the Fed funds rate is still be near zero at the end of twenty, twenty three. Rates are low across the board. It is a different investment environment than we have ever faced before. And that's what this paper by bridgewater associates was about. It was titled Grappling With the New Reality of zero bond yields virtually everywhere. It was written by Bob Prince Greg Jensen Melissa fear, and Jim Haskell. I. Discussed Bridgewater Associates Founder Ray dallies views back in episode three, hundred changing world order in this paper bills off that. Before we continue let me pause and share some words from one of this week sponsors masterworks. I've shared on the show how low interest rates are on bonds and yields and cash about zero money has to be invested somewhere in preserving your wealth is as hard as it's ever been. That's where masterworks comes in. If you're looking to diversify out of the traditional public markets, then take a look at masterworks. They make blue chip art investing possible works by artists like Banksie, 'cause and Warhol. 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Bobcat Fire burns over 105k acres in Los Angeles County
"National Forest has burned more than 106,000 acres while missing a key ingredient that drives most California mega fires were just getting going 17 out of the top 20 most destructive California fires have all started. In September, moving forward L. A county fire spokesman Sky, Cornell says. There's a reason fires tend to be bigger later in the year, and that's because of the Santa Ana winds that come that actually pushed the fire at a faster rate. That's not the case with this fire that continues to expand and consume or the forest in the neighboring communities, partially because the winds haven't followed a unified direction, like the Santa ANAs so when the wind shifts It takes some of the strategic things that we have in place, and it makes us adapt to that at the command post Christen Carl. Okay, fine. News is brought to you by Benjamin Moore, The
"national forest" Discussed on Here & Now
"Land that is not already been rooted in logged each says the road less rule rule he prefers to call it. A decree ruined him when our oldest decree came along it was almost unbelievable. All how how. Everything came came to an end for Dennis Watson felt it to during his twenty six year. Run as mayor of Craig the island's largest town he watched the logging industry collapse and one third of Craig's residents leave from the time. The Rodas rule came into play by always been an advocate of having having an exemption here and now the forest service is proposing to do just that exempt Alaska's Tonga's forest from the national logging ban and once again open up about half of that forest in area the size of Maryland to logging. No one says making more stands available available for clearing could bring back the hey days of the nineteen nineties. When ten times more would was being cut but watching says an exemption would help help? Alaska's timber industry it would make access to old-growth easier that worries meredith trainer head of the Southeast Alaska Conservation Council. She says Tonga's old growth. Groves are an ecological treasurer infinitely more valuable than lumber their home two two thousand year old spruce Cedar and Hemlock and provide habitat for Grizzlies Bald Eagles and other species all growth is not a renewable resource treasa renewable. You'll cut him down and moral grow but old growth. It needs to be right around for so many years to get to that stature that we think it's time to start leaving. All gross standing magnificent groves of trees. Dozen feet across the base used to soar twenty stories into Tonga. Says Misty air now. Only a few such giants still exist in small isolated pockets. One study found that on Prince of Wales only about six percent granted. The large tree groves remain commercial fishermen and Forest Activists Elsa Sebastian offers to take me to win from the highway. We wind down a narrow. Oh path to the Thorn River. Spawning salmon splash in the shallow stream. Bed Sebastian squats by tree. So broad she looks like an Action figure by comparison last summer she sailed the three hundred fifty miles circumnavigation of Prince of Wales in a project she calls last stands stands hoping to inspire millennials like yourself to rally around the islands vanishing ancients. You know we're standing beneath the super old old spruce tree. You hear the Salmon Industry and you hear the birds singing. Yeah it's hard to describe though. How do you describe this place? It's a wash of green emerald. Moss carpets the ground chest. High Ferns Quiver in light rain. Sebastian waves to the spruce canopy far above us that that tree was standing. You know before the United States was the United States just being in the presence of something so ancient puts our lifetimes into perspective. I'm.
"national forest" Discussed on Here & Now
"For its stiffness stiffness in beauty west there is cutting planks that will become parts for home built by planes. No not no pitch Straight grain the Prince of Wales the largest island in one one of the most heavily logged parts of Southeast Alaska. Wessler fires up a pizza size blade slices along. The logs link the spinning winning medal. lops off a slab of cream-colored Would Ernie eats the mills silver-haired owner watches literally through a pair of rose colored. Glasses Assis yet. I'm a Ernie needs of always been a logger. All my life wouldn't trade it for anything else. Anybody else does about twenty years ago EADS bought a much larger sawmill. One that could process five times as much would but he's never switched it on overlooking a one hundred eight thousand dollar heap of rusty metal. He tells me he just can't get enough logs for it. There's never been a steady enough supply to employ more than one person even unto old to do it anymore. He blames the lack of good timber on the road. Lush area conservation rule nicknamed the road less rule of two thousand and one on the road. This role ended new road development on national forest lands across the United States biologist. This Natalie Dawson heads the Audubon. Society's Alaska Office. She says the sweeping road less rule was meant to slow forest degradation and it has it prohibits timber harvests and new roads on. US Forest Service. Land that is not already been rooted in logged each says the road less rule rule he prefers to call it. A decree ruined him when our oldest decree came along it was almost unbelievable. All how how. Everything came came to an end for Dennis Watson felt it.
"national forest" Discussed on Here & Now
"It's here now MR chairman there. Twenty three is in seventeen. Knows your articles agree to the resolution as amended is ordered reported favorably. The House after more than twelve hours of debate last night it took less than ten minutes from members of the House Judiciary Committee to approve two articles of impeachment against President trump trump won for using his power by pressuring Ukraine to investigate. Joe Biden the other for obstructing Congress's investigation. It has been a wild historic week. Let's bring in our roundtable Rick Klein Political Director at ABC. News Eirik Agra to with you and Susan Davis Congressional correspondent for NPR sue. Hey there and rick. Why don't we start with you you a marathon just a marathon of testimony last night both sides sticking to the script the entire time? Here's ranking Republican member. Doug Collins who was outraged just when the chairman Jerry Nadler abruptly postponed the vote until this morning. The committee is in recess. You chose not to consult the ranking member on a schedule issue. You of this magnitude so typical this. This is the kangaroo court that we're talking about stalinesque in unto. That's how last night ended in this morning. Of course the historic vote along party lines. Rick your thoughts on on the last forty eight hours. The whole episode felt like it ended with a bit of of a whimper. After all of the fireworks we knew exactly how it was going to end and whether it was in the middle of the night or the middle of the day today it was exactly a party. Line vote and and strangely to me. It didn't have the historic. Trappings and th the feeling that this was truly a momentous occasion because we knew how it I was going to end and and the fact is we sort of know how it's going to end in the Senate as well. None of that takes away from. How big a deal this is it just? It seems like an odd conclusion to a pretty wild couple. Couple of months Interesting Susan I want to ask you about President trump his response he's been advised by some Republicans not to participate in what they call an ambush. Today he called the process a sham and said Democrats are trivializing impeachment. He doesn't really appear to be in any danger of losing. Republicans support report. I'm thinking about back during the Clinton impeachment will this Impeachment in the house changes presidency. Well he does join the The group of President. There's been only four that you've either been impeached or faced impeachment proceedings. So it's it's not a group of that he would want to be included in but he is unique also in the fact that he is now the only president who will seek reelection as an impeached president The previous impeachments presidents. It had already been reelected. They were not up for reelection. So this is really politically new ground for this country and for this president. I'm sorry so I just wanted to say in Republican supporters of the president. Say That is a good thing that he's going into the election in this situation because the basis never been fired up as it is well. Here's the thing if when you when you look at the polling pretty consistently. Hey this is a country that says what the president did was wrong. Super Majorities of people do not think that those actions were appropriate for the president where the country is more divided whether they warrant removal from office. And what we have seen is that this is a country fairly evenly divided but that slight advantage to the democratic argument. The Not just that. He should be impeached but that he should be removed from office. Think about that being the sort of tableau that of mood of the country that the president's going to have to seek reelection as half half the country already thinks he shouldn't even be allowed to hold the office. Yes so the articles are going to go to the full House for a vote next week. Walk us through what happens next rick. Well the the the schedule is going to be set by house leadership and we're looking at the middle of the week intriguingly. This is all happening before Christmas. They have enough time to do this. And if they do a vote on the floor of the House on Wednesday they still have time to approve the US MCA the trade deal. The president wants delivering a huge legislative priority. Thirty just before Christmas as well. So it'll be an odd week again but the history day looks most likely to be around Wednesday. We should note that that president trump has a rally believe that night and Democrats have a debate the next day so there's a whole lot of fireworks ready to happen right before the holidays. Well here's the house speaker. Nancy Pelosi predicting how that will go. People have to come to their own conclusions. They've seen the facts as presented at the Intel then intelligence committee that seeing the constitution as they know it they take taken off to protect and defend him. JC The constitutional experts speak about it. They'll make their own decisions. I don't say anything to Speaker Sue Democratic leaders. They're saying they're not going to whip this vote. They're not going to force anyone to vote any way in particular. But where are we on those moderate Democrats who may vote no to impeach. I don't think Democrats are worried about this vote. They don't they're not whipping it because they don't have to If you look at the vote today and the Judiciary Committee I look Democrats Lucy Macbeth. WHO's on the Judiciary Committee? She represents a a suburban district. It's very Republican. Donald Trump carried it in two thousand sixteen. She voted yes today. If Democrats like Lucy Macbeth or siding with impeachment. But I don't think Nancy Pelosi has at all to worry where the votes are a little bit of math. Democrats can lose up to Seventeen Democrats still pass articles of impeachment so they do have a fair bit of wiggle wiggle room and yes some defections Rx but that doesn't hurt the spirit of Democrats If I don't think so I think in some ways the Democrats that have to be nose or the Democrats that need it it for their own political survival and I think Nancy Pelosi would rather have those seats beheld by Democrats than Republicans. Yeah One last question I wanNA ask about this so this morning trump said he wouldn't mind and a long trial and on Fox News last night. Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell said he's working with the president's lawyers to draw up Senate trial procedures lesson. We'll be working going through this process. Hopefully in a fairly short period of time in total coordination with the White House counsel's office and the people who are representing the president in the the son of Okay so the question. Total coordination is is the way it's supposed to work rick well constitutionally. It certainly doesn't look like at the Senate stands as a jury in in a trial with the president functionally. That's the way things have broken down in a partisan nature But I'm not convinced that president trump is going to get the kind of trial he wants and Mitch. McConnell is saying in publicly that yes they'll be total hoard nation. But I don't know that he's got the support inside his own caucus to have a long drawn out kind of kind of a trial that would include calling. Witnesses is like Joe and Hunter Biden for instance. I don't think senators are really inclined to do that. And I think they're also they've been publicly and privately warning the president. Careful what you wish. For with a long drawn out trial they other side it would be calling witnesses as well and that might be embarrassing if they can dispatch of this within. You know a two to three weeks man. I think there'd be a lot of interest in the Senate to do just that notwithstanding with the president of saying one of the things I find most interesting about this week that we had historic division in Congress and yet we had historic cooperation. Look at all the stuff that got done. There was You know it looks like there's a deal to replace is Nafta the defense authorization bill which includes family pay for federal workers family leave policy a deal to avoid a government shutdown next week. Money Money for presidents. The president's border wall sue make sense of that. Well some of it's the timing if you watch congress you know. December is one of the always one of their most productive months. Is things pile up and they want to get out the door before they go home for Christmas but clearly there's some political incentives here and. I think it's important to understand speaker Nancy Pelosi. She is not a zero-sum politician. She is not someone who looks at a win for Donald Trump and thinks therefore it has to be bad for Democrats something like us MCA has mutual benefits. Yes yes it is. Ironically giving the president one of his biggest priorities probably the day after they voted to impeach him but this is also something a lot of her. Democrats wanted to pass a lot of those freshman Democrats who were coming up on the first end of the first year of having the majority and looking at a pretty thin list of accomplished things that they had that they can go home home and say this is what our majorities for it also does give Democrats at talking point to say. Look yes we stand up to the president when we think he's wrong but we can work with them where we can. Let's talk talk a little bit about What is going to happen? Something else really big next week. We mentioned it a little bit but the debates The Democratic debates For Twenty twenty. How how much will this impeachment story? You've already heard the candidates talk a lot about it in previous debates influence the two thousand twenty campaigns Democrats will it drown out their ability to talk about any any issue besides the impeachment We'll start with you Susan. Well one of the curious things is the Senate trial is going to be happening in the weeks in the run-up to the Iowa caucuses is when normally the political conversation would be consumed with the Democratic primary debate. The jockeying for sort of oxygen in the political debate is going to be fascinating again. Dan This is new ground. We've never been here before so it's going to be a bit harder. especially as several. Senators are going to be jurors in the trial. People like Lizzie. In order in Massachusetts Bernie Sanders Vermont are going to be spending their time in the Senate and not on the campaign trail of Iowa. I don't know how it bounces. I don't know how it's going to shake out. But they are certainly going to be the some of the jurors were watching most closely next January. Let's hear a little bit from Elizabeth Warren who took some swipes at her rivals. Joe Biden people to judge. They are spending time in fundraisers razors with high dollar donors selling access to their time for money. Some of them have spent months blocking reporters from entering those fancy closed-door. You're a fair Rick This week we learned that after a pressure from Elizabeth Warren Buddha judges now allowing reporters into his fundraisers and he also disclosed his clients that he worked with at the consulting firm McKinsey. What do you make of that conflict between Warren and budget as well as a transparency primary playing out where the Democrats are jockeying to show how open and accountable they can be? I find this to be a fascinating debate. We'll play out on the debate stage in Los Angeles next week that Elizabeth Warren a real threat and Pete Budaj especially in the early states. where he he has surged in Iowa New Hampshire her censor campaign senses? That Buddhism has really hasn't gotten the right kind of scrutiny. I also find it fascinating. That Democrats are engaging in this argument at the same same time that these momentous issues around president trump are coming to the forest so they yes. Impeachment is Everything but Democrats are still finding new reasons to disagree with each other and that that will be an interesting split screen next week coming right after the expected impeachment vote to have the Democrats fighting about other issues entirely trying to get some attention right before the holidays right the. I'm sorry I was just going to say and there will be Several people on the debate stage tomorrow. I'm sorry next week Andrew Yang is now a qualify. There'll be a lot to watch for. That's reclined political director. ABC News and Sue Davis Congressional correspondent at NPR. Thanks to you both thank you. You're welcome you've probably heard of the freedom rides when activists took buses from the north to the south to demonstrate against segregation on public transit. But what about the reverse freedom freedom rides. It was one of the most inhuman things I have ever seen. Get the full story on. NPR's coats which podcast British prime minister. 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"national forest" Discussed on Locations Unknown
"Remembered seeing two-car. Strive up bought stop it was it was a car and a truck drove up both stopped. They both exited exited one and then got the other yeah but then it doesn't make mention of like like I think we're getting his car was probably still there. was there another car when they went in recovery in his car got stuck. You would assume the other car is going to be stuck up there too. What was the other car found the next morning? I guess we'll never know 'cause you wasn't publicly. Can you stated yeah just so far. Obviously we don't know the rest of the story but it's puzzling well and that's where it's a it'd be very easy to write him off as like okay. This is just a guy who's maybe a little Kooky and just wants to be important. Tell stories but but then you have a separate woman who reported seeing them in a red pickup truck on Saturday and Sunday driving around is hanging out so you like have have some level of cooperation of Joe Scans a story by a completely independent person. That's not connected to him at all Yeah No. It's that's puzzling. I'm it's so bizarre. We don't we don't have to sit on. This is too much lower because I'll I'll my mind will explode if I just spend the time on this just trying to figure out what the hell happened that night yeah so now we're going to fast forward to June so we're getting into more of the summertime a man riding his motorcycle through the area so it didn't mention but based on again the terrain eight. I'm guessing this guy's probably this dirt bike in through the National Forest he noticed a broken window in a forest service trailer and the trailer is located about nineteen miles up the mountain from where the car was found so now we're nineteen miles up the mountain from where the Yuba city fives car was found inside the trailer. He found the body of Ted. We're okay this is weird so did the description of of the body founded it mentioned anything about. Can you know obviously decomposed hour. We're going to get there okay. I just wanted to sink in for you. Yeah Okay Okay so we found one of the EU's Yuba city five in a kind of service trailer in and this was like come to give you an example of this isn't just like a little tiny trail. This is like a full outfitted trailer so we go through that a little bit but but yeah this is again doc the twenty miles up the mountain they found the body there the day after Weir's body was discovered searchers then found the remains of love Madrid Ruga and sterling so now we have three of the five were found in the area of the trailer. They were found on opposite sides of the road from the trailer her and again this is roughly they SA- they they keep saying it's roughly eleven and a half to nineteen miles from where the car was found so it's it's. That's a pretty big gap but I'm guessing this roads are so off Roti that it's Kinda wind e and they don't really have a good good. Estimate there have Madrid had been partially eaten by animals was dragged about ten feet to a stream. Yeah okay was laid face up his his right hand was curled around his watch. Sterling was in a wooded area scattered over about fifty feet. There is nothing left of him but bones so it gives an idea of kind of that time line and we always talk about in the episodes like Oh what if an animal had gotten too so this is an idea of how you can tell an animal animal got. They don't really move the the body away from where originally was in. It's kind of so whenever we have these stories where people are just disappeared entirely. That's that's why we always kind of get to the point where it's not animal so that's just an example two days after that just off of the same road but much closer to the trailer Jackie Hewitt's father found his sons backbone along with a pair of Levis and rip soled shoes so an assistant from an assistant sheriff from Plumas County found the skull the next day about one hundred yards downhill from the rest of the bones which the family dentist the family dentists used to who identify the remains. Let's how they knew that it was is Jackie Hewitt so now we've found four of the five correct Hewitt's remains located northeast of the trailer. They're just like sterling's in Majorca so now we have four accounted for one of the trailer. Three more were northeast of the trailer. Several hundred feet away north west of the trailer about a quarter mile away searchers found three wolf four service blankets and to an A. to sell flashlight lying on the side of the road. The flashlight was slightly rusted and had been turned off so it was impossible to tell how long it had been there but it had been there long enough that it was exposed the elements and rusted a bit it yeah they still haven't found any signs of Gary Mathias so to recap we found one guy was in the trailer Yup and then there were two guys found on the other side of the road one had been kind of was kind of dragged the to the river by animals. The the other guy was nothing but bones left in the fourth guy. There's there's I'm having straight. They haven't found they they will they found the backbone and the backbone the Levi's go yeah and they found the skull little bit farther away that they use the dental records to identify him. Okay okay wow so those those three were northeast northwest up the road was they found blankets and a flashlight. They didn't know who it was. Is there no sign of so that was geared. They're still looking for Gary. Gary was the last one of the group that they didn't have any any sign of essentially so that makes it sound unlike you know someone was trying to stay warm. Maybe yeah like or gopher help or something go for help. Yeah yeah interesting. It's a flashlight but then Dan where's the body so here. Here's what's crazy. Though Gary's tennis shoes were inside the trailer would suggested the investigators that that he might have taken them off to put on Weir's leather shoes because that's what they found since we're had bigger feet and matthias feet may have been swollen with frostbite so that's kind of what the investigators hitters were thinking of that he took bigger shoes so that he could actually go walk around. Although the men's bodies were heavily decomposed autopsy topsy results determined that they had likely died for me exposure so they had died from the outside so right now. Everyone is probably thinking. Why is this a location is unknown episode? We kind of have an idea. These guys were mentally handicap. They may have got lost. They may have gone. They found this place in more just kinda wandering around until they died. I would normally agree with you until you learn a little bit more about what happened. So it appeared that Ted had lived eight to thirteen weeks wchs after his disappearance based on the length of his beard in around one hundred pound weight loss so he weighed just one hundred twenty pounds at the time of his death several bedsheets in a shroud were tightly tucked over his body that indicates that someone else had been there with him in the trailer as he couldn't have bottled himself up that way so if you if you imagine like I got kids I took him in real tight for fun like they can't do that by themselves so he's tucked in a way that someone else had to do it for him so his leather shoes were taken off as we said we're missing entirely and they still had Gary Matthias issues there so that's where they came to the conclusion that Gary left his tennis shoes there and probably took Ted's as Ted had bigger our feet and they said the only reason you do that is if you're were swollen from frostbite potentially so that's where they got that idea from so a table by the bed held his nickel ring with the words Ted engraved on it his gold net let his gold necklace his wallet with cash inside in a Gold Wadham Walsh that was not property of any of the men and it's crystal was missing which family say that had the families say had not belong to any of the five men and Ted's feet were fed fed were badly frostbitten what that leads me to believe as there wasn't really a robbery or they weren't being held hostage because all of their personal belongings were there and and apparently a gold watch that wasn't even theirs to begin with was there they made it up this mountain somewhere between twelve nine thousand nine miles through the snow up the mountain to this trailer and were there for several weeks apparently even though we have eyewitness statements that they were in a truck tuck from two different people. This is where the story is very strange already. We have conflicting accounts from that night. souris that that sound from paranormal from shaky sourced that's like to me like the whistling in the baby and the woman are like very weird paranormal type stuff but then we have another story corroborated by a woman who claims you've seen the man this is where it gets even weirder than that inside the trailer authorities found heavy clothing matches playing cards books wooden furniture and other materials that can convinced easily us to start a fire but there had been no apparent attempt to start a fire despite the freezing temperatures in the mountains a propane tank connected to the trailer which would have was connected and full which would obviously provided array source of heat and cooking fuel was completely untouched so this is a trailer that is meant to be lived in in the winter conditions this Yuba County Lieutenant Lance Air said all they would have had to do is turn the gas on and they would have and they would've had heat in the trailer and they cooked now now get this next to the trailer in a storage shed outside there is a year supply of C rations so so they're individually canned pre cooked and pre prepared meals issued for the US military the men consumed thirty six of the meals and left the majority of them untouched changed so they had access to food yet. You have ted basically wasting away in bed and they left a ton of Oman touched. There's a huge surprise supply of freeze dried meals. Also one of the scene rations had been opened with a Army P thirty eight can can opener so they had ample shelter ample food and supplies to survive for up to a year in any condition essentially without they wouldn't leave that trailer area and they were unable to work any of that stuff and this is where again skeptics might say okay. They're mentally disabled. Maybe they didn't know what to do but I mean these guys could drive a car. They held jobs. They were in the military. I don't think it would have been beyond them to figure figure some of that stuff out because those propane takes again. It's you turn Knob and now you have propane so you know the thing is there is enough food for them to eat eat for year and yes. There's evidence to show. They were eating some of the food so they knew where the food was. They knew that they could eat it. They were eating it and like you said and why was one of the guys withering away you know hundred pounds of weight loss that just doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand there's.
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"The second version which is more mysterious us while laying inside the car Joe said he heard whistling noises in saw what he thought was a group of men and a woman with a baby walking in the light right of another vehicle headlights joe called for help and the lights turned off in the whistling sound stopped a few hours later he we saw flashlight beams outside of his car and call out for help again but immediately the lights went out Joe Scon- stated his car until it ran out of gas then he you walked eight miles down the mountain passing Jack Madrid's car on the way which he said he didn't think about much of it when he'd seen it until he heard about the disappearance appearance that is bizarre so what would appear to be cooperation of the truck version of the story. There was a woman who reported seeing the five men in a red pickup truck on Saturday and Sunday about an hour's drive from the side of their band car now this lady she owned a store in town on were they were she said to the men came into by food. One of them made a phone call from a nearby phone booth and the other two state in the truck. This is the last report we would hear about that for several months so this is I mean if you can imagine being an investigator on this case what is going on you have to immediately start thinking about the credibility of your witnesses. You have to start then realizing that both those stories that Joe Joe Scott told are ridiculous but you have one words. Kinda cooperated were a woman reports seeing them in a red pickup truck later on in that weekend. I guess I'm confused with the part that the guy gave two different stories from your research. Did it say why he told the I story and then changed it. We'll we'll get we'll get into that in a bit and that's where I was. I also thought it might have been two were. I always had take all the information we get with a grain of salt because it's I mean by the time we're getting this up. especially in these cases a lot of this stuff will come from if if the police reports don't have it news article clippings so you have that issue where like we said earlier if anyone's ever had an interview done if you've had your five minutes of fame or you've done something and you've talked for twenty minutes to a news reporter and they play literally five seconds of it so like are they cutting it down like what's it's happening so there's a lot of things that you have to consider here. What I do is try and distill both versions of the story and realize that both versions are both crazy they really on and then the one with the pickup truck seems to be cooperated again by this woman where you start thinking okay? Maybe they weren't a pickup truck this guys calling out they are disabled so maybe they think of it as maybe threatening and they quick drive away but why are they in a pickup truck they were in in their car. They left like Kinda. Get in the whole concept of what is going on in that mountainside that night that all these weird things are happening thing and you have these guys changing vehicles leaving their vehicle showing up in the next couple of days driving around going making phone calls going to the store. One thing that makes me believe that this woman noted them as a group of five guys is going to be noticeable especially if they're kinda acting developmentally disabled you're going to remember for those types of people and that's what really makes stick out whereas if it was just like a couple of buddies are like one guy they might be overlooked very easily well yeah that's puzzling and I'm kind of going through my head of all the scenarios I could think of what could be going on here. First of all like you said it's it's February in the mountains so there's snow on the ground looking at one thousand nine hundred thousand nine Mercury Montego. You would not want to take that thing off roading. It's it you know it's like when you're big boat type a classic cars from the Sixties Yeah. I'm sure it's probably real drive probably terrible in the snow no definitely not something you take off roading so why they would even be out in the national forests because actually looked up the campsite that they their car was is found near you know it's pretty deep into the plumas national forest so it's not like on the fringe they needed special trucks to get there her and when they specifically note that this must have been a skilled driver that's when you start thinking again not making fun on but you have a group of developmentally disabled people. Only two of them are capable of getting a license. Were they with another person with someone else driving that car for them and now like like you said I don't know the whole time land so I could be wrong but you know the first thing that come that my mind are did they did something happen to them in Yuba or Chico where their car was stolen and then did it get ditched up in the in the national forest because you know it's winter. It's up in the mountains. I you know the it sounds like they weren't prepared to spend even one night laid out in the wilderness so they're not gonna be prepared for cold weather. you know the elements so I can't imagine them. Just you know on their own driving out into the woods. I have a feeling there's gotta be some foul. Play involved in out when it comes to this other guy. What would you say his name was shot? She actress guns are Joseph Joe Skin. I have to wonder you know he's having a heart attack. He's obviously in distress. Could he have have maybe hallucinated some of these. That's that's what I was wondering because I couldn't find like a medical report like yeah 'cause I was an emt from what I know about heart attacks is you don't recover from them on your own. Typically your heart muscle dis dis unless you're a pregnant woman pregnant women women. It's this is actually really neat phenomenon. You can look up separately here. the fetus of a pregnant woman will send stem cells back and actually can repair a woman's heart if they have a heart attack but that's pretty much the only time that you can get repaired heart muscle from a heart attack is if you're pregnant yeah so if he's having heart attacks through the night I I don't know if it's actually heart attack or maybe a panic attack or something else where he just got chest pain. You read my mind so I'm thinking like okay. He says he had a heart attack Zac. We we can't find any evidence through publicly available information that says he had heart attack but just you know common sense from everything we know. I just can't imagine a guy having a heart attack staying there all night and then hiking down the mountain yeah the amount of stress that puts on your heart like he wouldn't have survived. My hunch is he had some other type of medical issue or or a a mental issue where he was hallucinating or it caused him hallucinate because what he was seeing you know maybe a car drove by but in his mind he thought it stopped and people got out Oton gotten to a different car. I guess you know the car that was abandoned when there were two cars were they able to find that abandoned car the next morning ahead of his truck.
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"But it's north of Sacramento and directly west of the national forest. Thank you very much. No that's good information honestly because especially for people that aren't are in California for looking it up on a map you you can find a little bit easier so essentially because there are a lot of them live with their parents still their clothes have been laid out in the evening of the twenty fourth before they left for Chico so they're excited about getting back to this basketball game so right away. That's important formation no too because you always wonder. Is there an aspect of them purposefully not returning. They had a fun thing plan that they're gonNA do on the weekend. They went to basketball game before their own tournament weekend. They had their clothes laid out before they left. They played for it was is difficult. Vocational Rehabilitation Center is where they played basketball so that was their team gateway gators and the team Ted. We're had asked his mother to wash his new wight high top sneakers for the term insane. We got a big game Saturday. Don't you let me oversleep so they specifically. They're excited about this. You know it was a big basketball. We can for these guys. They're really early days. Before I phone alarms. I know right so when the Group failed to return Yuba city their families became concerned immediately and call the police lease so again. This is where if it's a bunch of adults that don't really have an issue there plywood raise too many alarms that they went to a college basketball game and didn't come back the next stay. I mean what are your thoughts immediately. If just a normal group of guys they probably went out drinking got a hotel and stayed the night but they were expected to be home home to start this this this tournament so immediately. The sheriff's department began searching for him so just a recap they went from Cuba to Chico for in college basketball game. They stopped at a convenience store on their way back. The game ended about ten so they would have got back probably around midnight you know if they're a little later twelve thirty one. AM and they had a very important basketball tournament. They're playing in over the weekend that they're supposed to be a part of Sheriff's department start searching so we're gonNA fast fast for the weren't anymore. UPDATES till Tuesday February twenty eighth. This is when a forest ranger found Jack Madrid's car abandoned so this is a forest stranger in the national forest. The vehicle was a turquoise and white nineteen sixty nine mercury MONTALTO. It was on an unpaved road near Oroville in the Rogers cow camp area past elk retreat at an elevation of four thousand five hundred feet so this is in the national forest I and it was located around a two and a half hour drive from Chico in the opposite direction of the route. They're supposed to drive home and way up in the mountains in the Plumas National Forest Mike. I know you looked at a map. I think Chico's north correct north of Yuba Yeah Chico's north a little a bit north. I'd say north and slightly West took so I mean they even city they had it's in the freeway. There is a straight south drive. Yeah that would went so they went even farther north twice the distance essentially in the wrong direction up in the mountains and then abandoned in their car was abandoned. It's pretty incredible like they drove twice a distance in the wrong direction so the Plumas National Force against one point five million Acre acre national forest we talked about that. It's unique the locations you because if you look at you on the map it is south of Chico both on the same highway anyway so again. It's extremely easy to get back and forth. It's basically you get on the highway and go all the way and you get off the city so getting back on the highway to head south it'd be it'd make more sense if they got lost somewhere on the way south because the highway doesn't continue the way they went during the investigation. The police did not find anything that would make someone think foul play occurred so the car was unlocked. One Window is down in the keys. Were missing the candy rappers from the things they bought the milk. Cartons and basketball programs were in the car and maps were left in the glove compartment. They did have maps and the directions to get to and from their destination and where they wanted to go home so there's no obvious damage to the car which was a big deal because they said the road they they were on was super bumpy in unmade so basically it was a road that you should be driving in a four wheel or four wheel drive vehicle on like taping type of thing so they must have been driving slow or something because they would have expected there to be damage on the car that was noted in the police report so obviously the road was bad enough that they were surprised at this Mercury Taegu made it as far as it did with no bumps anything essentially they had a quarter tank of gas and they were not stuck in the snow. Basically what confused investigators is that the driver either use astonishingly honestly amount of care precision our new the road well enough to anticipate every single rut. It's pretty incredible and then they had gas they weren't stuck so they're high up enough and there was some snow avail on the ground. They essentially abandoned fully functional car is what they're really looking AETNA and that's kind of what confused them. It's like you have this car of guys there either lost or something and they left a car that had gas that wasn't stuck that wasn't damaged yeah so very very very confusing to investigators working on this so now we have a big gap. Were basically a search churches occurring. They didn't have any updates so from February twenty eighth to March third. We're going to be talking about Rangers. Search the area for five days found on no trace of the men to make things worse soon after the search started a severe blizzard moved into the area and they got nine inches of snow that dropped in the upper mountain so this is an obviously hinder any of the search efforts that they had the search teams had so many issues that they stated that they nearly lost men themselves two days later they had these things called snow cats that were having issues these like the boxy vehicles with tank tracks for snow and I'm trying to think of the do you remember the movie Goldeneye. Can I the James Bond movie I do. It's it's do you remember those things that they had when they earn like Siberia Yup. That's what they're talking about so they had these snow cats. He's things things that could basically navigate all so they're really bringing out some of the right equipment and they they knew the area well enough that they're gonNA get a decent search and even though they had the blizzard going on so as the news the disappearance spread Joseph Scans contacted the police say he had seen the men between eleven pm am and twelve pm on that Friday so we now also have a guy that saw the news comments said you know hey I actually saw these guys from eleven to noon news that would also fall in line with the timeframe of the drive somewhat after they left that that shop so they saw them eleven pm to twelve. Am Yeah Yeah I did say five PM. I meant okay but he saw them in that window and he estimated that time 'cause we're talking. It's it's a week or two later when he calls after he sees the news so he was driving up gravel road to his cabin when his car became stuck in the snow and unfortunately while trying trying to push his car out he suffered a heart attack so this is this is where this is where the and this is why. I don't want to say like the story but this is what really got me see for this story so the Rub for this is there are two different versions of the story both of which are weird and somewhat creepy alright it version one and they come from this guy who suffered a heart attack and did he die from a heart attack. He did not die from the heart attack and so this yes I guess yeah he told the story he told the story but still it's. It's this is going to blow your mind cause. I know you didn't read this yet. In one version while Joe I was laying in his car suffering from his apparent heart attack he saw two sets of headlights coming up behind him was a car and the other was a pickup truck he he got out of his car to flag them down obviously because he's having medical issues. The two vehicles both stopped what he said about twenty feet from him. The passengers passengers got out then left together in one car. Joe Spent the rest of the night in his car before walking back down the mountain in the morning so oh this so okay. Let's recap version one Joe Johns having a heart attack now remember Joe Johns. Is this guy who contacted police saying he saw the group so he's not part of the moon. I'm going to try and keep recapping as much as possible because there's a lot of actors in this story Joe Get stuck on this road again. This is the road where the this group of five that are developmentally disabled drove up with no issue. This guy has a cabin here and had issues driving up this road. He got stuck in the snow. He he was trying to push his car out of being stuck. When he suffered heart attack? He's laying in his car having a heart attack apparently when he sees headlights come up thinking thinking he's got some sort of salvation. He's going to get help. He flags them down. Both cars. Stop the people exit the cars all enter into one car just simply drive away which means they left the pickup truck there apparently then this guy who's having a heart attack spent the night having his heart attack in his car car in walked out to get help and survived so that's version.
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"The Matthias Group was made up of five friends Gary Dale Mathias Jack Back Moraga Jackie Hewitt Theodore. We're and William Sterling the Group Range Between Twenty four and thirty two years of age edge. They all had developmental disabilities to some extent and we're all enrolled in a day program for the mentally handicapped none were profound enough that they were unable unable to function in society Gary had schizophrenia and was on medication to control his symptoms Jackie had a low IQ but hadn't hadn't been diagnosed as mentally disabled both Gary and Jack had actually served in the US army and driver's license Ted. We're was wasn't employed for a while as a janitor and snack bar clerk but quit at the urging of his family who thought his slowness was causing problems. Jackie Hewitt had they slay joop to the head. He was sometimes slow to respond. William Jacks good friend was deeply religious and would spend hours at the library reading literature he focused on teaching religion to the patients in the Mental Hospitals Jackie and Ted were very close. Ted was described as looking after Jackie Jackie in a protective sort of way and would dial the phone for him when Hyatt had to make a call Gary was an assistant in his stepfather's gardening business. He was discharged from the army. After drug problems that developed in Germany five years prior Gary took several drugs to treat his schizophrenia there are also police records that show Gary had become violent on occasions and was charged with assault twice after returned from Germany he failed to take his drugs in lapsed back into a disorientated psychosis that landed him in the Va hospital so we have five and I know that was a lot of information mation. Dump on here and I know Mike you and I talked about this before the show that it might be hard to keep up with some of these names it was hard when we're doing the research to really we get through it. All the idea is we wanted to give a background on each person to show that although there were some developmental disabilities they were high functioning ching off that they could drive a car go out on supervised they would go to the library study this there in the army although they were discharged so so they're they're high functioning enough that they are able to go about daily lives. They're just part of a daily program an interesting thing for anybody who reads leads the missing for one books. One of the main connection point to allow the disappearances is the fact that these adults are sometimes children have have mental disabilities so it's just something to think about this. This is kind of a has been documented phenomena among people that go missing in the wilderness so it just an interesting sidebar absolutely and I would say we should also say disclaimer to that. We're going to be very blunt about facts in this so we know alway want to misconstrue and make anyone think that we are speaking lightly about developmental disabilities. When we talk about these cases we are GonNa talk about the facts and we may you make analysis based off of the type of disability they have and make assumptions based off of potentially what could have happened to them as a result of their disability ability and how that might have hindered or helped situation great point joe so this group went missing in a national forest called Plumas National Forest? It's located in I would say North Eastern California. It's near the you know what they call. The terminus of the Sierra Sierra Qatada the forest is about one point one five million square acres so people the picture that it's a couple hundred two thousand acres smaller than Delaware but a few hundred thousand acres larger than Rhode Island's talk. That's what I would've guessed. I would have guessed that so it's a pretty pretty large national forests. The forest was named after now. I'M GONNA probably butcher this watershed called the Rio de Las Plymouth's. That's all right it looked it looks right but then it was renamed to Feather River so this is a very popular forest in the area outdoor enthusiasts sir track to to it year round. There's lots of streams lakes deep canyons mountains valleys meadows and lofty peaks so you can imagine going to this forest and it has everything it's got you probably could use some fishing. Maybe some rapids you Whitewater in some climbing a lot of hiking. I mean I I in the research location. There is over three hundred miles of hiking trails. The elevation in the forest ranges from between four thousand seven one thousand feet so you're not talking anything too difficult. If you're hiking there's campgrounds at elevation that you can you can go to there is a there's some recreational areas that you can ski and you can do water sports so yeah you know. It sounds like a pretty cool place you know it's got an Alpine climate in some locations with the you know the mountains going up to seven thousand feet interesting fact is the Pacific crest trail actually comes through the forest. There's seventy seventy five miles of trail and in order to get across through this trail you gotTa Cross to major canyons and go from elevations a twenty four hundred feet up to seven seven thousand feet or wow so that's a major. It's a major portion of that trail then pretty tough part of the trail. This forest has a very rich history with humans in my research. I found found that there's any human presence in the forest going back eight thousand years so there's been a lot of native Americans in the forest. There was a lot of gold mining in the eighteen hundreds hundreds there was a Hudson Bay for companies famous for being stationed in that region so there's a lot of rich history with American Indians and then early early American settlers. You know going out there looking for Gold Kinda the same story you see in any part of the West. I don't really I was going to say do we ever ever find out if there's any major successes in the gold mining in any of these because I always see where it says oh they mined for gold. There's lots of this but so many people went out there's so few actually made it rich probably the first guys and then I mean back then it probably took a year for word to get back to everyone on the east coast and by the time those guys made it out there. The gold is probably gone but so if you're the first guy out there you probably made a boatload of money there you go first mover advantage picturing wildlife in this area. It would probably be similar similar to other locations in California. I'm picturing like Yosemite Mountain lions other stuff like outlines blackberries things like that so yeah a pretty cool place. I would love to live near something like that. I mean anyone that lives in California. Yeah pretty much has access to all these great places we in every place we read about because I've never even heard of this one before the story and I know at first I was like oh it's just some little national national forests that you get in its giant and has tons of hiking and camping all these other things so if you live in the region this would make a great multiday backcountry trip three hundred miles of trail. You know it's a big forest size of Rhode Island. I mean you can get back there for a while and you know this kind of you. GotTa think about the terrain and you've got some people that who are you know mentally disabled. you know maybe that factors into their disappearance. We'll we'll find out yes yes might Mike has has not gone through the time line. Also he'll be hearing this raw. We'll get some organic responses for Mike. I went through the story multiple times but there's still there's a lot of information here yourself. We do run over. We might break this up to episodes where we don't WanNa make everyone sit on here for hours at a time but I'm going to just dive right in then unless you have anything else to say about the National Force Force Mike I I would just add that. You know I'll add it to the list of places I'd like to us and we're GONNA have a big retirement list of just places to go which is ironic because it's always places where people disappear have meet some sort of fortunate and but you know the thousands of people go there are just fine so like you said you made aided in and out of the triangle just fine. I did all right. We're starting our time off. Here was nine hundred seventy eight and we're starting on a Friday riday so it's Friday February twenty fourth nineteen seventy eight so we we mentioned the beginning. This group is going to a basketball game so they actually had quite a ways to the drive so this group drove fifty miles from Yuba city which is where they all lived to Chico to attend a college basketball game at California State University so there at the game no real issues there. The game ended at ten P. M. In the group left in stopped three blocks away at a marketplace and the reason we knew this. This information is because in the police reports they interviewed the Guy who's working there basically the clerk because it was noted that they mildly annoyed the clerk so might have been one of those situations where like they said they're high functioning adults. If you don't know that they have an issue they could probably come off as being obnoxious action or whatever but that's just how they are. They have their different mental disabilities so the clerk was trying to close up and they came in to buy stuff and that's I guests what annoyed them is so what they do know is that they were there for sure they bought a hostess Cherry Pie a Langford Lemon Pie one snickers bar a marathon bar to Pepsi's and a court and a half of milk. They're supposed to drive back after the game no issues in our back we're on Saturday February twenty fifth. This group was actually set to play basketball game of their own because they're part of a tournament that would net them a free week in Los Angeles if they want so they had a tournament back in Yuba city that they were gonNA plan over the weekend that they could have won a free prize and spent some time in L. A. Just to to help listeners listeners with locations. Yuba City looks to be about twenty twenty five miles north of Sacramento and then Chico is just up up the highway like we said another fifty miles so it may be more.
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"Unknown unknown? I'm your co host Joey Radio with me as always as Mike Vanda bogart what's up everybody thanks for tuning in. It feels great to be back actio. I know we both had some interesting trips while you're gone. Yeah I am besides the Iraqis trip I know we recorded an episode since then but I spent four and a half five days in the back country of Montana Glacier national park and it was absolutely stunning. Just one of my favorite parks you oh you and I went there. What was it five years ago? Yet has to have five years now. Yeah it was a while ago but we actually stayed at the fifty mountain site that we were we were at we went a couple other places that just really really beautiful ended up covering about sixty two miles in that period of time so we were really moving but it was it was a great trip didn't running running any bears couple the rangers about their missing persons case. They're working on now. Also got some got. Some good information might have to do not bestowed on him in a little it just to talk about that guy cool yeah so you were out in glacier and I was actually up in Alaska about a month ago and it was amazing. It wasn't really what you'd call hiking trip but we did get some hiking in I went hiking with buddy and Denali for a day and then we did some hiking too a glacier near in your anchorage and we also did some psychiatry around glacier called Spencer glacier so it's really cool. I recommend Alaska anybody. can get up there. We had a lot of issues forth forest fires while we're there so the air quality towards the end of the trip was pretty subpar but we were able to get all the all the good hiking in that we could so great ship nuts excellent you sit out of the triangle though right in the heart of the triangle right in the triangle triangle you made it out so that's good I went into the triangle the Alaska Triangle and came out so it can happen tastic so besides the trips were on we do. Have you know one exciting update. We mentioned this on our last episode before the break we have bedding. I didn't contact with some people that have known are Nelson. This is a guy that we did one of our cases on a while back. One of the guys is known him for a very long time the other guy did did some hiking with them so we are planning to have an interview with these guys to kind of shed some light on Arvin and bring the light some information. That's not publicly known so so stay tuned for that. I'm not exactly sure when we'll drop that at this point but it will be in the next couple of months yeah. We had a coordinated with them. I and I'm I'm personally very excited because a lot of times when we do these episodes we we work off the information we can get from police reports or from news broadcasts in its you know some times times if anyone's ever been interviewed and seen what their interviews like in the paper afterwards there's a lot of something can be missed out so we were contacted by this group because they said there was a couple of things they wanted wanted to correct this on. There weren't weren't any major differences but it also helps shed a light on the type of Person Auburn was in and get some better insight into what could have happened. Yes yeah so it's exciting that they they reached out to us and are willing to talk with us. 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"national forest" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"national forest" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"And to try to make a group of people invisible while those people are trying to literally fight for their likes likes mayor carmen. You lean crews in san juan. Thank you so much for taking. Some time in our thoughts are with you. It looks like we're all very happy. It's going to spare the worst of puerto rico. Thank you very much still had. The amazon burns new reporting tonight. The president is pushing to open up our largest national forest to lagers that story next the rain forest is still burning record fires continue to rage throughout the amazon as the right right wing governor government of brazilian president gyro bolsonaro now says they will accept foreign aid and resources to fight the fires as long as they get decide how to use the money they also plan on sending the army into help which is something of an about face after more or less running on a platform of opening up the amazon more development the bolsonaro government isn't the only right government in the western hemisphere with big plans to chop away at precious rainforests climate consequences be damned washington post is reporting the the trump administration in fact donald trump apparently himself reportedly instructed the agriculture secretary to open alaska's tonga's forest up for logging and mining naming. The forest is the largest intact temperate temperate rainforests in the world also literally largest forest entire country and it's been protected from logging and mining since president bill clinton issued an order putting off limits on the way out the door back in two thousand one george w bush had to reverse that policy but was stymied in court. There's there's no question. Trump will likely face a lawsuit as well. If 'n when this actually happens stock about what's going on. I'm joined by juliet eilperin. She's a senior national affairs correspondent the washington post who broke with the story and erica jorgensen managing attorney for the earthjustice alaska regional office really let me start with you. What do we know about whether this in fact or it has been issued and what it would mean legally were to be issued well when we referred to in order we mean verbal instruction so in other words. It's not like an executive order has been been issued but the president based on our reporting has had a conversation with the agriculture secretary where he has instructed him to essentially essentially exempt the state of alaska from this two thousand one road this rule which as you said was instituted in the final days of bill clinton's time in office and so now the forest service which had been contemplating more modest changes to how the force would be managed is now working on proposing. I'm doing that and so right now. You have folks in the government working to issue a proposal that would lift the restrictions on on these kinds of activities eric for those that don't know can can you tell us about the significance of this place and what the consequences would be if it were in fact <hes> opened up in the way that it appears the trump ministrations go in order sure the tonga's national forest is the crown jewel of america's national national forest system as you said earlier. It's the largest national forest in the country that has the most road lists wild acres of any national forests in the country areas is that are now protected by this road rule. It is important in so many ways to the american people it provides the biggest is climate buffer the biggest carbon sanctuary anywhere in the national forest system it provides areas that are unique in the world it. It is the largest remaining temperate rainforest. It's.
"national forest" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"This is corruption. One one like person empower puts pressure on the government to hire a contractor who is politically connected is the most basic and obvious corruption story story across the country. You know it really is. I mean corruption. Here is the feature. It's not a bug usually u._c._s. Senator or a mayor when you're looking at public corruption case something where one small piece has gone amiss but it's wide open. It's the way of doing business there. Here is apparently this preference for friends of friends. There is no shame about it the most interesting thing watching this a former federal prosecutor is seeing how easy it is has to come by the evidence of it. They don't really go to a lot of trouble to hide it. He and there's there's a there's sort of litigation right now. Civil litigation about a bunch of aspects the wall construction litigation about whether exceeds is authorities with the emergency declaration. That's a lot of money they're plaintiffs who are suing because of the taking <music> <hes> takings of the land. How do you see the legal recourses and the guard rails and whether they're holding right now well those cases are important because one of the things they highlight is is that when the when the president runs roughshod over the law like this there are real people whose lives are impaired and injured by it so we protect democracy represent el paso oh county and the border network for human rights who are suing the president because his fake emergency declaration was not only invalid and unconstitutional but it's caused real real harm to the community in el paso texas he essentially wrongly declared their area in emergency disaster zone and that is impacting them and all sorts of negative ways and in in fact there is a hearing tomorrow in el paso in federal court on that case in which it's not as trump said some liberal running to the ninth circuit. It's actually being argued by our co-counsel gerson who was the acting attorney general and head of civil litigation under george h w bush and if you wanna see the impact on these lives we we set up a site and the emergency dot org telling the stories of the people know passan who are being impacted by the president's lawlessness. What do you think is happening in department of justice right. Now i mean in this is an institution that is filled with lawyers who tend to take obeying the law very seriously so you know d._o._j. Its ability to indict cases and take them to juries and get convictions. Largely depends upon its integrity ready so it's difficult in many ways to watch people like the attorney general taking steps that cause people whether they're right or wrong to question his his integrity the rule at d._o._j. Is even if something is technical technically not a conflict of law. You don't do it if it could.
"national forest" Discussed on Here & Now
"And tell us about the evacuations this area near the dixie national forest is kind of halfway in between zaire national park with people may have been too and brice correct most of the the houses in this area all a lot of them are cabins their summer cabins so it's it's can be pretty remote and come there there has not been any injury reported either from firefighters were the public my last a count that i was able to get was i think it was 21 structures total um but it's actually been fairly dramatic because you can see where the firefighters have gone in in in a created a perimeter around home and you'll see the fires go right up to one of these homes in the forest on and then back off how does this compared to previous years in this part of utah is this typical for this early in the fire season well there are a couple ways it it's typical and there are a couple of ways that it atypical um you know this is by no means the biggest fire that utah's had a back a few years ago there was the milford flat fire which is the largest in a state history it was substantially bigger and it went on for days and days it was a really dramatic so this one's smaller but the the kind of forests that uh they're dealing with is different it's also more tree stands in trees that have been on consumed by beatles and are sort of standing standing up dead.