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"nathan hamburger" Discussed on Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

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"nathan hamburger" Discussed on Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

"Poor people ate potatoes. And and what right. That's about it more potatoes cabbage potatoes and potatoes. And and now. Here's like an inexpensive food. That really packs a wallop. That's right and was the type of thing that you could pullover. There'd be a roadside stand in a lot of ways like our own aforementioned Mike's Chili Parlor which opened in Seattle in nineteen thirty nine. How it was thirty restaurants still open in Seattle. And that was in Ballard which was a seafaring working class part of town. You could go over and get a bowl of Chili. It didn't require a lot of fuss and Muss. It was a thing that went well with beer. Right that's true also. It's yeah you think about that driving a lot of the Asian food trends now and it's really what's good drinking food. What is good with beer? But during this same period it was a time of a lot of immigration from the Mediterranean into United States Italy and and environs were sending a ton new immigrants in the United States but one of the chapters of that Mediterranean Immigration Story is related to the Balkan. Wars that happened. There were a couple of wars in the Balkan Peninsula that happened immediately before World War One arguably one of the major causes of World War. One during which time all of the Balkans had been part of the Ottoman Empire for many hundreds of years and during this this early part of the twentieth century. It was a time of Balkan national identity we've talked about this before on the omnibus in the Mirror. She No cherries episode that the The Slavs of the Balkan Peninsula were. You think they're all slobs will not all slobs. I mean the Romanians art but slavs with the southern Slav complaining role of slobs degrading the slobs emigrate down to Washington from Alaska. That's got here But they were they were rebelling against the Turks and pushing them out and there were a couple of their couple of wars happened in quick succession but it was a time of a lot of of turmoil and upheaval in violence in the in the Balkans in Greece in particular and so a lot of people immigrated to the United States through Ellis Island during that period from that part of the Mediterranean eastern Mediterranean and They arrived in America and there was a sort of diaspora of of of Greeks and Macedonians. That that went to places in the in what we have agreed is the Midwest Detroit Ohio Chicago a lot a lot of that population stated in New York and they maintained a kind of what would you call it. An identity within these regions. They were Orthodox Christians so at at this point in time I mean this was an era where there was a lot of prejudice against Catholics. Did they somehow avoid that? You could you kind of see American. Protestants turning on any eastern Orthodox believers as easily as the papists. I think there was a lot of Orthodox Catholic rivalry because they were they were the Orthodox Greeks would move into neighborhoods that had formerly been Catholic or Jewish. You know they weren't troubling the the high part of town where the episcopalians lived they were they. Were making it up. I guess if you WANNA get the most bang for your prejudice buck you go after the pope not the patriarch of Constantinople. That's right that's right like really. How many how many Greeks are you trying to annoy? Well in Greece has a certain hold on the American imagination because the founders were so enamored with ancient Greece. Now that's interesting so you always can kind of if you're looking for if you're looking for a reason not to be prejudiced against Greeks you can constantly also or you can always find a way to connect them to their ancient culture. The Greek certainly do they. They will tell you everything they invented love to do it but so so here. We have this This population of of recent immigrants from Greece and and and Macedonia and Bulgaria and Albania Who are arriving in New York. And and then sort of populating the midwest they're looking for ways to To make a living in the United States drama and that often happens with the with new immigrant populations in food right. They find they. They are good cooks at home. They find a way to introduce some of their cuisine to the Americas. What's interesting to me? Is that my impression of Greek restaurants. Then is now is that they were not like. Hey America how come have some stuffed grape leaves like they started making Burgers and Pasta. This is a plot point and she looked at Chiba Chiba. This exactly like there's a Greek diner by my house that has pizza but also has burgers and it has euros and it has This is a plot point in the great brain books. Oh are you familiar with these books books about the Tom Sawyer type swindler character in TURN OF THE CENTURY UTAH? I guess I'm at a loss to recall anything from them. There is a Greek is a supporting character whose dad is a Greek restaurant tour. Who moves to this little frontier town and opens a Hash House of some kind and I assume this is part of this wave of Greek restaurant immigrant restaurateur immigration and. There's he's got a son named Basil and the kids. Make Fun of him because there's a new immigrant kid in town to beat up on and our heroes kind of take him under their wings and he becomes part of the gang and we learn that people from other cultures are okay but it's absolutely set around the premise of a Greek restaurant or moving to this tiny town in Utah in eighteen ninety eight or whatever and opening a little a little joint right a little diner of some kind well. This was the also the the period as we've we've sort of touched on of the joints and one of the joints that was popular at this time. Was the hot dog. Stand the hamburger stand right. These were a kind of novel ideas. You could go out and get a burger or a hot dog in a in a little hut quick food you can hold not have to sit and wait for a waitress and it was a tricky time because there wasn't a lot of food quality assurance and so there was quite a bit of. I think rightful suspicion. About what going in your hot dog or what was going in your hamburger and the and the successful businesses of the time. All found a way to reassure their customers that their hamburgers were only. The finest grade of snubbed snouts herbs. Yeah out since notes the Helton snow they were two of the the houses at hogwarts. Like the guy that four that founded steak 'n shake he actually would go out and grind the meat in the restaurant to demonstrate to his clientele that he was using stake to make his hamburger rather than people were so sure and it was cats and entrails. And Nathan's famous hot dogs. That's the there started on. Coney island was a one of their promotions. Was that they they. They had people dressed as doctors surgeons. That would be. They're eating hot dogs. The doctor with the idea that like if a doctor would eat it you know it has to be good is paid by the wearing white coats. What would be the modern equivalent of that? What would you dress somebody up in the worst hipster garb like cops right? We we believe if a cop cops eat at a diner. You know I guess what you should do is have an air an airport. Eatery where the edible address people up as pilots. Because every time I see piloting an airport. I'm like that's gotta be the good those guys no but so all of these things kind of combined collided in a in a historical moment where this great influx of Greeks brought their own culinary tendencies to To a time in American history where the hamburger stand the hot dog stand and the Chili Parlor. Were all also colliding. And in this moment the idea of coney dog a coney island hot dog which is a hot dogs and a specific chilly on it. A hotdog coney island invented the Chili Dog. Well no this is. This is what makes it fairly complex. The Coney Coney Dog. I'm making a chart is a hot dog on a Bun. Esteemed hot dog. That has chilly on it and onions and cheese. That's the the sort of canonical coney. But the coney island dog arose other places before Coney Island and it was called a coney in those places in Fort Wayne Indiana in nineteen fourteen. A shop opened called the famous. Coney Island Weiner Stand. That was that sold hot dogs. Chili dogs and it was tied to the idea of coney. What is that idea? What are we conveying? Coney island really such a an amazing. Today you would never use an amusement park as a signifier of good or even convenient or food. Also Coney island is for future links. That don't know is a sort of. It's not even really an island. It's a little bit of an infamous inside neighborhood in southern southern Brooklyn and it's named after the original Dutch name was curbing not not coning for King but The the Dutch word for Rabbit Kunis a rabbits and so the So when the English took over they just kept the name Rabbit island a and it became a seaside resort. During this period a boardwalk lots of amusements. It was also an area that had a large immigrant population. Does it convey kind of like leisure like a fun vacation food? Like salt. Water Taffy or cotton candy is out. What a Chili dog would have been to these people? So is it sophistication to the big city that you don't get it for when I think it's more the former than the latter there in On the boardwalk there there was a restaurant called Felton's German garden and Feldman's had You know hot dogs and sausages. Which which again were a kind of immigrant food right central European kind of food hot dogs and they had A. They had an employee an immigrant. Employee by the name of Nathan Hamburger. Is he the founder of? Nathan's he eventually left. Felton's and opened his own hotdog stand. Nathan's that had to work as a hand. Pirker when he first came here he has a hand worker and he opened. Nathan's in Nineteen Sixteen. This is now two years after the Fort Wayne Coney Island Vena stand so. There was something in the air. Nathan's became very popular. He he nathan sold hot dogs for five cents which was about half the going rate for hot dogs at the time. And Nathan's popularized the the hot dog stand idea. Nationwide kind of was a sensation and people were people became aware of hot dogs. It's an early version of the of the fast food. Boom the the forties and fifties of the automobile era. Right like we've we've come up with an efficient way to give you a cheaper product with less frill. It's just a hotdog hand to you right and it was. It was a combination of like it's immigrant food. It's called the Frankfurter I mean a hamburger. These are these are kind of foreign sounding names and that they literally say what Central European country their. Their characteristic beaner is from Vienna hamburgers from Hamburg frankfurters from Franklin. And this was this gave it a little bit of a a An appeal also a lot of these early restaurant. Tours are Jewish immigrant of people. That are kind of again trying to convert their the the the few skills that they kind of can put to work in their new country. Like they can't you can't just come and immediately become whatever you were in the old country you have to. You have to adjust and even in Fort Wayne Indiana. The people buying nickel lunch probably are a largely immigrant population. Who who liked that? Remember that kind of food right even before famous. Coney Island Fort Wayne Famous Coney Island Weiner.

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