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So you shelby power nitro plus premium guessing see full terms conditions if you're. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Rondebosch. Larue Martin joins us on sports byline the former. NBA. Center the former overall number one draft pick by the Portland Trailblazers. But he had an undistinguished and short career only four seasons before retiring and he came out of Loyola. University in Chicago but it's also a very interesting human story as well because he proves that there is life basketball and sports as he has gone on to have a very distinguished business career as well away. One of the things I've. Always said is is that when somebody is large and I'm talking about six eleven, they play center there are expectations of them at the professional level that might be different from say a guy that is a power forward at six ten or even six nine or the guard or other positions. Am I correct in that observation of that is true especially when you are the number one draft tourists in the nation so many people are expecting great. Great Things But I I did my best. been to if you look back at it. I think at the much playing time, and that's the way life is if a person doesn't want to play, you can't produce. You can play an all the practices. But when you play against other guys in the league, it's a different story. and. I did like I said at the best of what I could do it during the plane time that I was given but they called me to draft choice in the nation big bus but you know you have to move on in life. I also thought that you really came into the league and you were in an environment that really was not conducive to larue Martin developing as an NBA basketball player and what I mean by that is is that there was a lot of discussion in the Portland Organization has to go with Mamadou or to go with Little Room Martin and then Jack mccloskey Wurley wasn't one of your biggest fans as well and all of that set into motion kind of an environment that really didn't either encourage you or or emphasize your talents of that is true Jack knew more about Bob macky. Do at the time because don't forget Jack came from forces somewhere in Carolina And I'm Bob Nicotine was down there a matter of fact Bob and I are very good friends today you know we talk about things matter of fact, he gave you a nice compliment stating that rule this amazing. I'm still in basketball and you've been this corporate world. was a good feeling. But I know for a fact Jack Nicklaus gates like didn't know anything about me and I guess it was a disappointment into him because heating having safes on trying to get Bob Mecca at the time. And I showed up there was some tension I felt that and. I wasn't. Playing regular positional, whatever's playing in high school But you know we let live and let live and I don't mean to knock anyone I'm not into that. My thing was need a chance at the time and I don't think I was given a fair chance. Let's go back to Chicago where you grew up and you grew up in a very difficult circumstances you were poor. You had to cardboard in your shoes to cover the holes. You wore socks rather than gloves over your hands during the winter your. Dad died when he was just forty years old tell me about the larue Martin growing up in Chicago and a little bit about when basketball came into your life through started playing basketball at a young age. Of course I went to saint screen school fight they're located at Sixty Person Indiana of course, I was always a tall guy on the block. grew up around the gangs my parents we didn't have much Father Wasn't alcoholic. And I just did the best what I could do. guys kept telling me. Hey Liberal you have a lot of talent. You have a lot of raw talent. Keep, doing what you're doing and matter of fact, when I was in grade, school. I dunk the ball, and I didn't even know that I did that. The. Whole crowd in the in the Gymnasium Gracie my God do you know what you know? Being told Lanky and grace who I think I was around six five six at the time. And then I had the opportunity to go dealer. So high school, which was a blessing they give me a partial scholarship in other words. I couldn't get a full ride I had the worst dishes in the cafeteria and use that for a helped me up with my tuition, and you know to make a couple of dollars in you know. Do what I had to do my parents couldn't fourth tuition so In. A sense. It made me take a look even when I was young kid I have to keep on producing or myself And of course, I wasn't a bad student but no, we had playtime but I think dealers sell going to lie all. Talk me a lot of work ethic. And it taught me what studying was all about raised by the Catholic institution by the Jesuits and Christian brothers and that was a blessing from the sky. Keeping myself in the right direction because I knew all the game bangers believe me I was held up in the alley. By gunpoint. Not bringing them some bad things but one guy saved my life years ago. I will never forget this to my friends got beat up. They try to hit me but I ducked. Then, he pulled a gun on me because I was a tall guy one guy that was in the gang say my life we used to call them long John. was about six nine time. He couldn't bend his knee because he was shot in the knee. He said Hey guys leave Lulu along. My nickname was butch at the time. He's not a gang, but like he was a ball player, I never to get that. One thing I know about Chicago because I went to high school down in the Middle Part of Illinois and I remember when occasionally we would move up to the north and play those Chicago High School teams and I gotTa tell you. They would just they were just take us to the woodshed and there was something special about the game play during the summer among inner city kids. Can you talk a little bit about what that was like the play playground basketball in Chicago or playground basketball KIP? Keep us off the street. Joined the daytime I mean nighttime hours we always have ballgames recreation center on the weekends My. Old Grace Coach's name was Andrew Summerlin he played with a goal top years and years ago. But he had tournaments for us to be involved with Any gangbangers stayed stopping to watch US play. They didn't bother us because we were on a different. Not Saying they were bad but it went to gang being we were playing ball so we used to put on a show. And we have some good things going on in the inner city basketball situation. You know we didn't have those money's like, I was saying a number was played with holzner gym shoes. What we used to do is put some paper and cardboard in there and keep on playing. And then to. We had to realize this was a fun game. If a lot of fun and it kept interacting with each other we had you know it was a great thing that we were doing and I'm I don't think we realize it but as we got older. I see some of the few friends that I grew up with if there's only a few of us, a lot of my friends I hate to say. Od number of my passed away through other circumstances. But I'm blessed I am blessed. How difficult was it for you to get out of going to somewhere else besides staying right close to home with Loyola University Oh I had a number of lettuce at the time and matter of fact, I was collected letters and Oh shopping bag years ago. The only schools did I didn't get a letter of intention from UCLA. Back. At. The End. I remember I had over a hundred some odd letters of intention to coming to some other schools to play ball but I decided to stay at home because my father was. Up and down and jobs, and you know the alcohol problem and. I. Think it was a blessing disdain here at home and doing what I had to do was that the motivation for you and that seventy two game against UCLA and bill. Yes it was. A little bit about that game. Oh boy, it was a very exciting game and And at the time you know you're all pumped up you ready to play. I have some great great games at Lila wasn't just the game itself but I, guess that game stood out because it was against one of the greatest teams in the United States. That was UCLA. And I played my best I. Guess at the Time Because Jim Jones, we had he went to Marquette. Oh. It was a number of games that we played. We had the old Chicago Double headers back in years ago. Don't forget. We have the Notre Dame needs to come in town Wichita State Marquette Lehohla Ucla. That was win basketball was really basketball. I. Know With Bill Walton. Because of that game that was one of the things that elevated you as far as in the eyes of a lot of people in the NBA was not Yes, it was. Yeah and what was it that bill was like as a center at that time at Ucla another great success at Ucla but that battle between you and him what was that like? He was good s face it. He was great I did my best to do what I had to do. Guess Bill But you know bill nye still talk. I've seen retired players association conferences that we're going to be attending to every all star game and he's a good guy. You know he came a long way life and. You, but you never forget. And that's one thing I say to myself remember the good things and stay away from the negative things but it's basketball. Hurt me so bad in the NBA I shied away from me to go into a game for years. Yeah. I WanNa talk about that in the next segment but I wanNA going into this break I want to ask you through what was your expectation of what the professional basketball experience was gonna be like and how was it similar to in different from what you thought. The larger faster stronger don't forget. That was what sixty seven to ten to fifteen. Playing against little chamberlain. Walt Bellamy. it was a number of guys nate Thurman. Lost I admit. I admit I I. Wish my coach would allowed me back then in the NBA to really get their experience and keep me in the game for a lot longer playing three or four minutes a game. How can you produce and it was? It was a great feeling I feel that look at myself. I'm planning to some degrees. Larue Martin has joined us on sports byline the former. NBA Center. We're GONNA talk about his NBA career, but we're also going to talk about his professional career today. We do that as we continue with more of you and sports. byline. Have you written a book you can become a published author with door publishing the nation's oldest publishing services. Company. Countless authors have trusted durins for nearly a hundred years to bring their book to the market are professional team will et your text design your book pages, and create an appealing eye-catching custom cover loss. 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Trailblazers but as he even said, he was a bust in his career and it took you a long time to come to grips with that. What was that period of time after you walked away left the game after four years? What was the period of time after that? Like for you liberal Sad I think, I will use the alcohol to cover my shyness I didn't want WanNa be bothered when I was cut from Seattle. was. My last team I had offers to go to Europe but I get it. I'm tired. I'm. Tired But then cut from Seattle was the longest drive my life and we all know for a fact. From Seattle to Portland, it's only a two hour two and a half hour drive. Out There for eight hours thinking. Back. Then papers a played up that I made a chain but Bill Russell cut me. So I as a man I had to deal with that. And the negative stuff about basketball being called the worst draft choice at bothered me when I was a young man God, you know and time to still gets to me but I have to overlook that. And move on and live in which I was dodge giving me the strength to move on and it just get away from the alcohol and. Be More of a man. God has created me to be you know the interesting thing is the dichotomy in which the pro athlete has to endure and what I mean by that Larue is the fact that as they're coming up through high school and college, there's so much adulation nobody ever says probably anything negative about them they get into professional basketball expectations come if you're the first overall draft choice if you're a big man as we talked about and so therefore, you're going to be dissect it and picked apart, and then all of a sudden you hear negativity for the first time and if things don't go. Right to be able to turn that round that it becomes just a a kind of a flood of negativity and you want said the media used to beat me up bad especially back in New York and you said the media would write worst draft choice in the nation. Why did they draft him I? Felt bad. Of course I'm a young man back then twenty, three, twenty, four, twenty, two years old I even got an ulcer and probably my third year worrying about this stuff being talked about being shamed did you have anybody you could turn to to help you through this dark period? One. Guy To talk to a lot. It was nate. Thurman. He taught me a little bit playing against him. When he played with go to war is he said the rule when given a chance sure your skills you can jump man you could jump out of this world I said, nate if I don't get the playing time, what can I do keep your mouth shut? And keep on doing what you have to do when the time is given. It was pretty inspiring for me. Kareem was at the time to he used to talk to me quite often. Bob Lanier a couple guys we're really behind me. Willie Norwood used to talk to me being Lenny Wilkins coach. You sit down and talk to me. He knew what was going through as a great man at Lenny Wilkens Guy, I knew leading up in Seattle when he was coaching up there and I also the first three or four guys you mentioned were all big man is kind comradeship among big men that they understand each other and understand their role in professional basketball better than anybody else would yes, we do. We do with there for a purpose of rebound block shots at score when we have to. Accept for. Bob Lanier. He always wanted to be a guard. Didn't he? noticed. He was a left-hander South. Paul be called A left-hander South Paul's are hard to guard. Used to playing against a left handed guy like day Cowan's tough guy strong animal. Like a Bob Kaufman remember Bob call from years new. Buffalo Yup. Strong as an ox. And people in realize real strength. But you know I I say myself at least I had the opportunity to be there. They can't take that away from me being the number one and -tunities I look at all of these kids today and it's sad i. hear there are only so many jobs in football basketball baseball soccer, whatever sports tennis, whatever it has to be golf. Tried to work on getting that education. Get out that a little silo. And we as a media have put so much emphasis on the big money defined cars to houses and all this kind of stuff. Not, good. Not Good at all. You went into a shell and you admitted that and after you got out of basketball, you kind of kicked around you work for Daikin for a little while. But then you decided that you were going to go work for ups and You became a truck driver and you said it was embarrassing a lot of friends. I'm not going to mention their names that I played ball with organised years ago were kind of laughing saying larussa truck driver today that bothered me but I said to hell with how bad it again. Pretty bad. Effort a bit. My true. France. I won't mention the names either we're stuck behind me but some of the guys they were laughing tease Oh God, you wouldn't draft what are you doing driving a truck? Find a career with the bottom line and it worked out to be a beautiful situation. The world of professional sports is it kind of falls as far as friendships? No Sport. To. Me has brought. All groups of people together is just like music. I think sports is a good tool to really get to know. What people are all about see being in Portland? Oregon. was grateful. My kids. They believe that they diversification. That's a beautiful thing. Growing up in Chicago Younessi see that busted back the you know. But you know I think sports is self. Bring. People together, you get to go each other's homes to live. The, way they act and. You know I think it's great. I think it's a beautiful thing. It should be more of that today. We all have to confront are challenging times, and for you that came with a little bit of help from one of your family members, your son and I had to laugh when I read the line because out of the mouth of Babes. Come such wisdom. And tell everybody what your son Said you to help you come back and confront the past my son. When he saw her article, he stated to me the Dad. I am glad that you finally say. I was tired of my dad getting talked about. He's six eight matter of fact. I'm going to see him next week a matter of fact, but a little Martin and third and my daughter Tiffany she succeeds. So fuck here's a tall but I am so happy to get that off my chest because to be honest with you. Ivan shied away interviews. I did I must admit that in I'm GONNA. Be Honest about it. I didn't want nothing to do with basketball when I go to the game ship with Bob Love Chicago once in a while and I'm glad to be invited I'll go. But I don't care about all the autographs and this and that you know I want people to see the type, of man, I am today. In, a bid to suit and tie. Not in a pair of shorts and a gym shoes. Also, you got a letter from Portland owner Larry Weinberg that. You deeply tell everybody about that. Larry. Was a great rate owner of the team years ago. he wrote me a letter stating he saw some other article a while back. He stated me the rule I am proud of you. What you've accomplished in your life. and. He's a matter of fact I'm GonNa Eliot I'm going to give him a call when I get down to La for the all star. Game. But he said he was very proud that I moved on in life. I had he's just give me some words of wisdom which was great. You know I mean as an owner you know you don't WanNa, let the owner of the team down because he drafted you at the time. But. He made me feel real good in his words and then even Christmas car with his whole family. You can't beat that. Laura what is the Lesson Adler? Career as well as his life that should be listened to by the athlete that's coming up maybe someday, we'll play in the NBA. That you prepare to have a life at the afterwards money only lasts. So long especially when you got money going out, you have nothing coming in. Prepare yourself and everybody's not made to get their degree. Believe me. Everybody's not made to go to school. But the pair yourself with something at the sports because it can be Kinda cut cutthroat. Could be ugly. Especially when you're being talked about. And and. You got to be really. Intrigued on the things that are happening around you. Be Smart. The leader don't be a follower. I know that you've talked to young players about this when you look into their eyes and you give them that message, do you think they really believe it or are they making so much money today that they think eight isn't going to happen to me. Well. I. Don't think they really understand yet. If so many players I'm I'm going to be honest with you about this. The media tends to put them on a pedestal. And They don't know how to get back off that pedal. So once they're through. SEATTLE. Never on that pedestal, I'm to be honest with your body. It was great being the number one draft choice, but everybody's soak in. Because I didn't I didn't get the great great greetings, a Lotta people care for me. Great. I mean I got booed. He used to say to for the rule but these young guys coming out a lot of them don't want to go back to school. They don't WanNa get the degree. Someone has power of attorney their money's they don't know what is going on. Larue I WANNA. Thank you for sharing the story. As we mentioned during the course of the interview, it took a while for you to get comfortable about talking but the message so very strong, not only about the reality of professional sports basketball in this case, but also that there is life after after basketball. Thank you sir for sharing I. Hope you'll come back and visit with me again on sports byline. Thank you Sir former NBA Center larue Martin drafted number one overall by the Portland Trailblazers Bob Mamadou was number two, and of course, went on to have a hall of fame career. Very. Inspirational. Story we'll take a break as we continue with more of you and America's sports. Talk Show. Warning. If you're drowning in debt, you can't afford do not let the credit card companies trick you into thinking. You have to pay it all back because you don't what the credit card companies don't want you to know is that there's actually a way to get debt free without paying off your entire debt or going bankrupt. If you have ten thousand dollars or more in credit card debt, you now have the right to let us settle that debt for a fraction of what you owe for free information call credit associates. Now one, eight, hundred, two, hundred, fifty. 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He's not the owner of team, but he's probably one of the most important people when it comes to sports because he is a statistician came across the story about his career at the University of Connecticut which he graduated from in which he has been doing it for the men's football and basketball teams for more than thirty years Andy what is it about numbers that that you light? Well I guess it's baby. It was It's in my DNA my father was accountant accountant my sisters and accountant that my other sisters and actuary and I just was always fascinated with numbers and percentages and it just seemed like a sports. So it seems like a very logical situation for me to be involved in your very candid when you say, I have to admit, I'm a math. Nerd how much of a math nerd? Are you? Well, I mean they did well in math and certainly much better than in in than I did in English but I used to have these dice that somehow my father accumulated over the years and I would literally roll the dice and I would be able to add up the total almost instantaneously and it seemed like the most ridiculously useless. Skill to have and someone said, you should try to get on David Letterman I've never tried to do that but it's still even to this day. I'm still able to roll about and I get the total immediately. It's a very useless skill, but it is very entertaining at parties. You started this when you were young, you're in high school where you're not. Yeah exactly I I I started doing stats for of my favorite teachers when we had A. Freshman basketball team and I said, well, this is great and we did it by hand and we went I went to college I said boy, this would be an awfully I really liked to do this in college and I was able to do it, and the most amazing thing was at the end of the first game someone said to me how long were you here and I asked why and they said you got paid I almost had a heart attack. When they told me I got paid to do this. So it was a and it's just it's just been thirty great years of getting to do you know what I like to do and I love to do to see some amazing games. You know one of the things that most people probably don't understand because you're one of those people that are hidden in the shadows of the broadcast or just in the program, the basketball game or football game, but it's not just anti prints. People it's a team itself is not Andy Oh. Yes. We'll. For basketball. You know we like the Games in Connecticut we play in two places obviously gambled pavilion, which is on campus on the Hartford. Civic Center, which is now the Excel Centre and it gets pretty loud. So we we actually stay on headsets and there's four of us that actually do it and you see my boy that's a lot of people to do it but we just WanNa make sure we don't Miss Anything and I actually called the game based series numbers and letters, and there's someone that essentially just watches everything I do think catches my mistakes and as much. As? I think I'm great at what I do you just make mistakes a lot of things happen these guys are very big and there's a lot of tips and there's a lot of blocks and you know and so someone's watching when I do and someone is just typing everything that they he or she is my friend Sherry she doesn't even get to watch the game. You know she'll hear the crowd go crazy and she'll say while I wish I would've gotten to see that because she's too busy typing and making sure she gets everything written down Andy. Are you guys like a an officiating crew saying a football game or even? A basketball game where you get together maybe before the game, you talk about what the game may be like or injured players or things about the other team so that you're better prepared to deal with what might happen during a game well, what I, what would I try to do at least familiarize myself with the other team because everything we do is based on their uniform number, and if you know when we see a team just once a year in the big. East we only get to see teams once every other year because we don't them home at home every year, it's very hard to know all the players I try. To study, know all the numbers before the game even starts and no Oh that guy is this guy and that guy is this guy. So if I can't see his uniform number, I know who that is and I'm able to to call it by by his number. So it's it's you. We do try to make sure beforehand that were already obviously our players are we know I so easily? So it's not a problem. Now you do have a coded system and I was reading what that coded system was like you explain everybody as simply as possible how you go ahead and keep the keep the stats and how you work it. For for for basketball it's really simple because there's really not that many choices. There's either a jumper, a layup or dunk and believe it or not. The code for Jumper is J. Code for Layup is L. Code. Dunkin's is very simple. So when you type, you know if someone takes a jumper, you say J. and whoever the number is ever happened to do it, and then computers can wants a result if it's good, you say Q. and then you say number for an assist if there's a rebound you say are, and then you say who got the rebound So, there's really not that many choices. So it's pretty easy. But when you see a shot with three tips and then a foul, there's a lot going on and you WANNA make sure gets credit for the shots that got in the rebound got. Now when it goes into the computer, what does it spit out? So that on the other end when people get the stat sheet what are they see after? What put in? Almost instantaneous. We have it the hooked up to the Internet and so when I. When I call something and Sherry types it about a few second delay goes out over to the over the Internet. But also through the monitors in the in the arena so that the the media that's watching the game when you know when someone scores they can. Immediately say Oh, now he has ten points now he's four or five because it comes right up on a monitor which almost instantaneous one of the things I know in doing play by play is that just the pace the speed of basketball is that could change very very quickly Smith comes down with a right handed dribble goes to the right corner puts. It up too hard off the here we go. The other way how hard is it to do say basketball as compared to football well, think about football has some crazy things that can happen. You can have a punt that there's fumbled and there's a recovery and a penalty and that's the worst nightmare but mostly football is you Kuala play and then You sit around for forty seconds. So football is so much easier because even if you make a mistake, you have so much time to make to correct it in basketball. It's constant Connecticut. You know we play a relatively quick brand of basketball. We don't play Princeton style a lot of back screens with there's a lot going on if we make a mistake. We check out over the Internet and we have to then go corrected and you know we try not to make a mistake because people are relying on that information media, the the writers clearly the radio people have TV people I, we don't want to give them that information. So we try not to make any mistakes. It's it's a lot harder than football, which is very simple. You have to train or after this many years to come natural to the after the off season. I will tell you we used to do it by hand like everybody else and I think I was pretty good. We were pretty good and we did a great job and we started with this computer system We remember the first game we played it was Connecticut versus the Puerto Rican national team and the reason I remember they had red uniforms with red numbers and I quit at halftime I said I cannot do this with the computer and I was like this is the worst thing. But by the end of the second game, the computer system was so simple I literally will watch the game on TV and just call just because it's Second. Nature now because I just try to always remind you know stay up and try to do the best I can. So I'll watch an NBA game, a college game, and I'll just subconsciously calling came by the because I think I know the answer to this question, and this will give people out there listening and appreciation for what you do that I know when I'm doing either television or radio play by play about forty five minutes after the game I'm still up there but I come crashing down and I'm just wondering because of the focus it's almost like being in mental surgery. Is it not Andy I? Mean are you drained after a ballgame? Drained after a basketball game especially if it's close because not only. Trying to do the best job that I possibly can, and we all are but I'm still a fan of Yukon. So I can't get up and cheer. So I have to you know the the the outlet of say, wow, that was a phenomenal game and it's only after the game is over that I kinda like take a depressing and go. Wow, that's amazing. I can't wait to go home and watch the Game I. Just I just take I really didn't. Get to watch it with the with the fans view. I. Watched it with a view I. Know that Mike Enwright the associate director of athletics for Communication said at times he brings much needed levity to the situation. What was he talking about I? I mean I? I'm very serious and I my job very. But I like to think that I have we have we have a real good time sometimes I forget you know we're playing we work those the women's And men's third-place Games of of preseason tournaments from there's no one in the in the stands and Sometimes, I will make jokes when the game is going very slow and then you realize that you know we have the headset found but people can hear what you have to say and I realize I've been told by coach that maybe we should pipe down every now and again because because we will. We forget that it's you know it's a game for someone else but you know we're we're not too interested sometimes, but it's very exciting I I couldn't imagine doing anything else for a hobby been doing these games. What is the nightmare for a statistician Andy? Well, the nightmare and when we're doing this in basketball at a timeout when we check the box score and it says, the box score doesn't prove there's a very simple mathematical proof. That basically miss shots have to equal rebounds, and if you're off, you can't finish the game obviously, we need to find it. So what we have to do at that point is print out a play by play in find where in the box score, we had a miss shop, no rebound, and between the two of us that are actually calling in we can always can you know very rarely happens when it does you get your paddock that. You're not going to be able to find it but usually obviously we do and you don't WanNa make anything you want to make sure that everyone gets they're they're doing. That's the most panicked times if the box scores ever off Andy, are you sitting courtside for the basketball game? For the Basketball Games we sit about three seats from coach Kowloon at the At the gamble and at the exile center, and obviously in the football we're up in the press box. Well, the reason I ask that question being in the press box, you've got to use binoculars I I know that, and I'm just wondering the challenge of being able to do that because binoculars only give you a certain scope of the field. Is Very difficult and it's it's football you. There's a lot more judgment in a basketball. Everyone knows what a shot is. Everyone knows who gets the rebound the, but especially on tackles when someone runs the ball and literally four people tackle someone has to get credited for the tackle and I don't really like have to make that determination about we have to put something in there even though I've got the noculars I think, i. get the right Guy I'll call someone with the tackle out here the regular pa you know who's not into the crab he announces somebody else. Because his spotter thought it was somebody else very interesting. You certainly have been around when there have been some spectacular moments Connecticut course now playing division, one football, and of course, basketball wise. They won a national championship back in nineteen. Ninety nine tell me about some of your favorite moments. Well, you know certainly, the most exciting thing that we got to I started when I was a freshman, we hosted the biggest tournament the biggest. Term it used to be on a rotating basis before it went to the big to, Madison Square Garden and as a freshman, we got the hosting Hartford and got to do the stats for all the Games and the freshman class that I was part of which was insane was Chris Mullin Patrick Ewing Ed Pinkney from Villanova. The players were just totally incredible. It's just it's just amazing when you think that those are. Like the greats of the game and I got to see them when they were literally eighteen year old players and we've got we've got the host NCAA tournaments, which were great. You got to see North Carolina when a number one seed in Georgetown when they were a number one see but clearly the thrill with two years that we won the national championships out on the road obviously, the home team provides statistical service but on. The road I keep the book the official books to be courtside for the two national championships weren't just incredible. Let me ask you about the great basketball players. What's the commonality that you've witnessed in their capabilities is an utter lack of fear that that a player would miss a shot and they would come right back in the next time and then you could tell they didn't even remember that they had just missed a shot. Came down. They felt completely comfortable expected to make the shots and it's not just a great players that we've had. Connecticut. I've I've noticed with you know with all the all the great players through the Big East and the other teams you can just tell they expect to make it and that's a quality that not every player has. Faction that you get out of doing this. It's just it's I feel like we do a good job i. feel like we we do it officially and quickly, and in our own my own way I'm contributing just a little bit to the success of the basketball program even though I know deep down, it means absolutely nothing and anyone else can do it and and I I'm just honored that they've allowed me to stick around so many years without throwing me out. In about forty five seconds. Is there any funny moments happened during your career? Oh, I'm sure I'm sure there I can't think off the top the the the once the bowled over by Eric Sleepy Floyd wounded in my lap and pushed me over and I think it was it was caught on camera. That was probably the funniest thing that happened to me I guess when do statisticians? No, it's time to hang up the statisticians pen. I would say when I can't keep up with fast paced game when if I can't if I have to see you need some help catch then I'll realize you know what it's time to turn it over to the next generation so far I'm not there yet. Andy, I WANNA. Thank you. This has been a fascinating conversation almost had a sense that it would be because people the deal in numbers exactness are always interesting people. You're like offensive linemen I always find them to be the most interesting people on a football team because they're articulate and they're insightful. So again, thank you very much for sharing the story with my pleasure was. Awfully, nice to talk to you want a great talented man and somebody that's very important to the broadcast as well as they athletic programs by the way Andy. Prince. With us he is the University of Connecticut huskies statistician. 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So I don't even know how they could screw this up i. don't even think they could. Ferrall. This up twenty, eight, three, hundred dollars I mean listen I was on coast to coast today and it was pretty simple. I said I. Just don't believe in Andy Dalton and I already know that the cowboys devonte sucks. How funnier the cowboys that Lake they're down fourteen ZIP right and they're you know they'll make a stop or something on second down and eight or something, and they dance around these players like, do you not realize you're down fourteen nothing? Do you not realize that your defense is like the worst in the league you not realize you're giving up? Thirty six points a game what you dancing for you make a tackle and you showboat and dance and show off and stand there and Strut in front of the cameras. I mean. It is pathetic. You should be fine. By your own team when you're so stupid that you're dancing around after a tackle when you never win and you never stop anybody and you give up thirty six a game and you're already down for teams, I've been a game I'm watching him making stops like every time they make a tackle they like show off like look at me. Like you know the old. They do it in the pros doing in college and they do it in high school. Now, every guy that makes it tackle dances around like the world's ending and it's the most embarrassing thing in the world when you. Lose and when you. Give up that much every game like. They're going to give that up in this game. You know right? Like, do you seriously think that Arizona's not putting another one in if they've already got twenty eight up. I mean. It's unbelievable. I mean, what are they showing off for celebrating for Megan? Stop who cares You know it just goes to show you that They just don't get it like they're you know they got massive problems. They've allowed eighty one points off turnovers. That's the most NFL you. It's the worst Dallas defensive history of the franchise at thirty six game. The lowest previous worst defense was thirty a game. So I don't know what they're dancing around for for their. You know whatever? Twenty thousand fans there I don't even know who dances around when you're losing. I've never understood in college I see it all the time. A team will be down twenty thirty points and they make some kid makes tackle and he dances around like look at me. You're just a fool you a an absolute moron your idiot. But what are you doing like? Here's another one like he escorted touch saying you're down four touchdowns and you you what do you do? You Spike the ball you celebrate you. Dance around and ends on man when you're down four touchdowns and you get to the end zone, just give the rough the ball and run to the sideline. Don't even celebrate who celebrates after they score a touchdown when you're down for touchdowns I mean it makes you look like an idiot. It really does I mean bottom line. There's no getting around it. Now, let's get back to the issue at hand. I heard all this stuff today about. Andy Dalton. Even before they get. Oh, there's so many players in the league that wished they were Andy Dalton because he gets to play on this talented Dallas cowboys team and. They have so many weapons. What are you talking about Lake what? season. Are you talking about certainly, not this season when they can't get out of their own way and here's the deal. I just think you know they said this is the best team he's been on with talent in his career because he's made. You know. Like around one hundred and fifty starts or something. In, the NFL the guys got. Cincinnati, under his belt for the last decade. So now he's a backup, and then that gets hurts and now he's the guy right and everybody's like this is the best events he's ever had to deal with and meanwhile. I never thought he was that good in. Cincinnati. And and now people say, well, he didn't have anybody. Aj Green. When aged green was healthy. Do you remember Aj green used to play football every week a never miss a game. Do. You remember when he scored touchdowns and that was Andy Dalton's go to magic. I mean the bottom line is that is the last two seasons. Andy Dalton couldn't hit green markets he never played, and then he finally is gone and now they got borough. So Andy moves home to access and he gets a deal the backup. With the cowboys great gig because he doesn't have to lift a finger and he gets paid a couple mill and then. No one knew it was coming, but he breaks his ankle, and then here you go. It's your team and the bottom line is. I know that everybody says well. He just picked up right where you left off they won last week or something and they. Any you know they scored points and everybody said they're going to be fine with Andy Dalton as their quarterback. Now, that might very well be the case I think that there's certainly. Potential for them to win and score and play better and do better overall both sides of the ball I. think There's Potential for that I mean we're in you know this week you'll be week seven. So this is the end of week six. So they still got you know ten eleven weeks left right so I think that they can turn it around and play better right now what I'm seeing tonight is really What I think of Andy Dalton. Pretty much. All. Right. So Andy Dalton man now. So what? Bottom line. Is. Andy Dalton. has just. You know in my opinion been very average is career fair enough I mean. You can't even really argue it like what has he done besides? You remember when they went to the playoffs several times and he lost every time. I mean every single time they lost every single. Dating Laws Games they should have one that they had in the bag right at big league or whatever against the steelers and they blew that All I know is he never did anything he never won anything and he's just you know. I guess they were fascinated with him because he had red hair or something I don't really know what it was. 'cause it sure. Wasn't because he was a great quarterback. He was never a great quarterback ever. There is to it you can hate me all you want. I mean there's no getting around it. So today I said. I'm on Arizona to win the game because and I'd set it right on their Mavi was running the show I said because Andy Dalton socks. I'm not betting on Andy Dalton and I'm definitely not been on that Dallas events so I go. Cuyler Murray and Hopkins is all I need to know meanwhile. Hopkins has done nothing in this game. He's got like one catch and the whole thing has been at eighty yard bomb from Murray and then Murray's footwork. He's run all over the field. And then he just ran one in for a touchdown and he's thrown the bomb and then you know everything they've done has been somebody else besides cans but bottom line is they're kicking their ass twenty, eight three that's that so. It is what it is and I just wanted you know at the very least and we'll get into the other game. I just WANNA look at. Just right now what he's done, he's got one hundred, twenty, eight yards, two touchdowns. Six. Point four yard average, he's run nine times for sixty seven yards, a seven point, four yard, average running and a touchdown. And Kirk, the speedy receiver has got two touchdowns, his longest eighty yards, Christian Kirk, the bomb to him just caught Dallas napping. So he's got two touchdowns. Murray's got one drake Scott One. I mean, they're just lighting Dallas up like nobody's business. 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Then talking about that game how ugly that game is an we'll talk about the chiefs win over the bills later in the rain up in Buffalo earlier this evening late afternoon, they played at Bill Stadium. We'll get into that but I'll be oxen writers with us from PSI channel eleven in Pittsburg home of the undefeated steelers and they're coming off this huge win on. Sunday over the browns thirty, eight to seven, and it was more of the same really. With Klay Pool scoring another touchdown, the guy's been absolutely unbelievable. This guy is breaking every steeler records Swann. Stallworth. no-one has ever scored that many touchdowns in their rookie season. He's already shattered the mark, the guys lighting it up out of Notre. Dame he had four touchdowns last week he scored another one running it into the corner on Sunday I'll be good to have you on the bench. Hope you're doing well buddy. How's everything great to hear from Your Scotty? Always. Good to talk to you, I'm doing well thanks. So this is A. Reaction to Klay Pool in Pittsburgh. Well, as you might imagine, fans are pretty excited about him. You can see this this kid was the forty ninth pick in the draft. And they love to size and in Training Camp Joe. Haden said look out. This guy's GonNa. Do some damage I'm paraphrasing but he was warning everybody that the Klay poll was going to be a star and you can see the chemistry you can see the trust. With. The Rothlisberger and Klay Pool you can see building by the week five touchdowns in two games. Two of them rushing touchdowns. He can do a lot of stuff and fans are very, very excited about him. I mean when you have a guy like Klay Pool, who's making this kind of splash five games into his rookie season you forget about the fact that the steelers had Juju, Smith Schuster, and James Washington and Deontay Johnson, they have some they have some receivers in this guy is the one. Who led them in receiving yesterday with four catches seventy four yards and can you say it's? It's it's equivalent of or better than many first round picks it. Teams have made not only this year but in the past. that. That they've already. the front office has thought about Shuster in the sense that. At the end of the year, he's going to be a free agent and can leave do you feel as though? And I've asked Adam Kaplan this nfl insider on on sports read I've asked him. If he thinks that they'll let shoes go and just worrying about Clayton, Colby in the number one. I don't think there's any question that June contract is. It's been talked about with I. Know It's talked about it among the fandom here. The steelers nation knows very well. That he's up and. I pay listen if you get a guy who's a rookie and comes in and last year Juju had a tough year and part of it was he was hurt part of it was ben was hurt and when Rothlisburger. Makes Everybody But but clearly, if you have a guy like Chase Klay Pool who comes in and and become that number one receiver And you have the ONTA- Johnson. And you have James Washington. Who's done some good things. Then certainly, there's only so much money to go around and and and when you use up yeah, I think that a lot of people thought that maybe he'll be gone. So you know what they do is A. Kind of one of the reasonings I've I've heard is that they manufacture receivers they're like they did Emmanuel Sanders, they let him go meanwhile he's still producing in New Orleans, and he's still a good receiver and they've had all these guys Antonio Brown. I mean, that was a different kind of situation. In terms of the way it ended, but the bottom line is is that they made him a star to and he did a lot of it himself. He was an incredible talent that he lost his mind but the fact is, is that the steelers? They feel the front office that they can just churn and burn receivers out that they're receiver makers, and then they actually have all these other problems in terms of contracts, I the whole team. Guys like why his deals up. They have all kinds of guys that matter on that team. Their contracts are up at the end of this year, and there is no way I'll be that they are going to give contracts to all those players. There's no because they've always been seen. I think one of the I remember reading training I mean. Judy's for Schuster still only twenty three years old I mean he's still very young but I remember in training camp. There's a big question about whether they were GonNa Extend Him, and you know this is as recently as a couple months ago and I remember reading you know reasons that they should re-signed juice, for Schuster, and one of them was a veteran presence well. You grow up in a hurry in and I think that Chase Klay Pool is It's great to have a veteran presence but if you have young guys that are performing and if you've developed kind of trust between Ben and Chase Klay, pull this early I think the sky's the limit for clay pool can do in the better Klay Pool does the bigger the chance that they will not be able to or or even be in a position where they'll wanNA keep you. In other words paying the kind of money that he would need. Right. So they've got bud Dupree I would no more let that guy walk and fly a kite. And then. They got connor. Who I actually thanked the guy can ball. There's no doubt about it but I think there's some people that would say. He's not worth some big huge deal the way he's been injured and it goes on and on from there now, I was under the impression that. I. Guess I'm wrong. I was under the impression that Mingka's deal was up as well. Do you know if Fitzpatrick's His. Deal is up as well at the end of the season well Mingka's contract that May. Make his contract was signed. You know when he came into the League rookie, which would have been two, thousand eighteen. So MINGKA's get a hat mucus under contract through twenty twenty, one through next season. He signed that four year contract. And he played he, they made the trade for him. So he in essence was their first round pick that they didn't have for this year. They made that trade last year. So he's playing in the third year right now he's in the third year of his contract he's due to make like. Two point seven, million, next year twenty, twenty one. Right who did they listen that or you? Don't head. Well who thinks better make against two versus to no no, I was GonNa say who do you think's better in terms of the guys in their secondary that are unrestricted. Hilton is it's Sutton because I know that they also have both of those guys are unrestricted not that it's the end of the world but I think that the the conversation is simple like I think the steelers are incredible right now there's no denying they're five and now they got big game this week but my thinking is long term. And it just just end of this season to have that many big name players, all those stars on this team be unrestricted free agents. They're all GonNa want fat new deals and the steelers aren't gonNA give them out. They're going to only select in my opinion. Probably my guess is two or three of those guys get deals and the rest of them they let walk and so it's GonNa. Change that football team anyways slice. Well I. Think My Hilton certainly a guy that they'll. They'll look to re-signing Mike Hilton You know as recently as a month ago. he was he talked about how he's. He's really not worried about these contracts that if he's just trying to play out the final year. But I mean, this guy has this guy has really you know through the first three games of the season he had a lot of tackles he a couple of sacks he had a fumble recovery and and and interception. Against the Houston Texans. So Mike Hilton was Kinda everywhere through the first month of the season and You know it's tough to say how the rest of the season's GonNa go but I think there's I think that's certainly a guy that you'd like to circle on your list of free agents that you'd like to nail down. Right. So the steelers. Are, playing in Nashville on Sunday Ben. Rothlisberger is. I think play an incredible and their defense is sickening. They haven't been five and I think whatever it is in seventy eight. When had that bad ass team. Correct. Now. Let me ask you a question really quick. First of all, can you do another segment be or do you have to run into the news? What are you GONNA do? Can you do another segment I'm good for now I'm good I'm good for another use scam always good for another segment I. Great. So let me ask you Monte I got a minute. So let me to say right now respectfully in forty five seconds. Do you feel that this team? That's as good as they are right now can run it and go all the way because. They haven't been as good since they did it and ran it and want it back to back you think Super Bowl team. The easy answer. The short answer is absolutely. This is a team right now. Among the best in the AFC and one of only three unbeaten teams in the NFL, they'll play the the titans this weekend, the another five team I mean in the AFC I it's the steelers and the Ravens at this point. And maybe the bills and the titans and the chiefs and the colts maybe. And maybe the Browns may be Vegas who knows you know with with seven teams now? We'll come back and finish this conversation. 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What he's done he's come back from this elbow surgery and he looks fantastic and he's slinging. It got a great. Really I think running attack. They have great receivers without question when healthy they have a sickening line. Defensively right now you know I know the ranked third, but if that's not the best defense in the NFL, I don't know what it is. I. Really. Don't because There's quarterbacks this. This reminds me of they're not as good. I'll give as they're not the eighty five bears where quarterbacks I remember that year and I went to the Super Bowl with my dad that I remember that quarterbacks were afraid to play against the bears like is went out of the field they would never admit but they. Played scared and you knew they were scared. You knew that they were afraid for their life on Sundays. No matter if they were home or away if they went to soldier field, they were dead meat they knew they were going to get a abuse. They were afraid that they were GONNA get their head taken off and their families had never see him again and I don't think the steelers are at that level but I think they're a couple of floors down from it right? They're not in the PENTHOUSE. On the. act. there. They have everything they have the teen is loaded. Well I'll tell you one thing that is a concern, and that is Devon Bush getting hurt on Sunday He is really the quarterback of that defense he he's the guy that relays the place. and. He's not he's not the quarterback the defense anymore is done. Because he blew out his knee. Sorry about that got. Yeah. That's the first time I've ever take had to take a positive an interview, but I have my other job at worry about I pol. Devin Bush is heard on Sunday. that's a That's a big concern. But this is a defense that has can't hayward and T. J. Watt and bud DuPrey and Mingka. And Joe Haden this is a this is a really really solid defense. The defense of the steelers lead the NFL last year with fifty four sacks they have twenty four sacks in five games. This year they put a lot of pressure on the quarterback they take the ball away takeaways and sacks or a big part of what they do. There's a lot of pressure Blitzburgh all that stuff. This is defense that will that can carry any team and in addition to this defense you had been office Burger who looks Stronger than he's ever looked away and he's playing. So smart eleven touchdown passes one interception. Rating of one, zero, nine through five games. He's making good decisions. He's got receivers to throw to talk about the line if they can stay healthy and James Connor, there were a lot of questions about James Connor early in the season is, is he getting hurt too much Benny smells the guy that's backing him up. James Conner has a four point nine yard average right now in five games James Connor is is is run for you know three, hundred fifty plus yards and and you know I is looking like a guy who can be running back and then through eight different receivers yesterday. They have five wins. They started with five wins with twenty six plus. In each game and that's big. They're scoring points scored thirty eight plus points two games in a row, and and as you mentioned, they're five, and for only the second time in team history, the the roundabout answer is absolutely They can. They can be a super bowl contender. They can win the Super Bowl seven of their last eleven around the road. but they are they've got a lot of winnable games. They gotta play the bills in December they to ravens in in in in coming up the titans and the Ravens both on the road but I mean, they play the bengals twice they play the browns again they play the cowboys I i. think this is a team. This is a team that clearly we'll be a contender in the key for any team in the AFC if you can do. Is. Win. That there's one by team now win that number one seed get that by but the steelers and the Ravens and the titans and the chiefs those look like the the four best teams in the AFC. The bills lost. But the bills are certainly a team to look for and and like I said, we'll see if the browns for real right now you don't know after placing the steelers yesterday but maybe that's just feelings are that good you know they. The steelers play in as we mentioned in Tennessee then I think in Baltimore back to back because of the Cova they got pushed to seven and eight, week seven and eight. So they remind me of the bills the bills had the two games. Where they played last week and finally lost their first game and then I 'cause I had sat on the TV show I said the bills could easily lose both those games 'cause if they lose this game, they're gonNA lose to the chiefs on a Monday night. Sure. Enough. Tonight they lost. So they lost both games. Do you feel the steelers have to beat the titans on Sunday or that they will fall prey to the same trap and lose both those games? You know what it hey listen when you're playing the titans and the Ravens there's certainly the post on the road. There's there's there's a possibility you're GONNA lose each of those games they. They've got to worry about the titans for now and that means shutting down there cannery I. Mean He's number one in the league and they have a problem without without Devin Bush they're gonNA although Roberts fellaini filled in for for for Bush with with with fine they just need to make sure that they. battened down the hatches and and try to try to contain Derrick Henry in that game 'cause Derrick Henry can beat you and they know that Hey, listen they can beat the Ravens. They've got the defense to beat the Ravens I know that they're gonNA they're gonNA Blitzer Way and they're gonna make life miserable I always feel that they if they split with the Ravens, lose on the road and win at home there they'll be fine. They have advantage because there one game up on the Ravens but you know that cushion can go away real fast and and you know instead of thinking about. The titans and the Ravens coming up, they just have to worry about the titans if they lose that game, sure puts a little more pressure on them to have to win it Baltimore the week after But that Second Baltimore Games going to be big to that Second Baltimore Game on the twenty six, th on Thanksgiving is is is a great one and there's some other good ones down the road. It's play the Jaguars on the road and then they had the colts at home and they're at the bills But but listen, they've already won five games. That's Kinda. Start that they needed to have they're getting contributions from A. Lot of guys on both sides of the ball and the key to everything the Keita everything is the defense is playing the way it's playing, and of course, Ben Rothlisberger Ben Rothlisberger. He was the number one question coming in coming off of elbow surgery is then GonNa be okay if he could just be if he could be just how he was before well, he's better than he was before you make a great point that they always talk about the quarterbacks around the League and they always forget to talk about vendor. Office. Burger spend two three super bowls. He's one two and he should have won the third had not been for a bad fumble Is there any other kind? I just think I just think that this this is a guy who can beat you. In any week in any game, he's the he's the heart and soul the steelers if he stays healthy yes. They are absolutely a contender to win the Super Bowl and we'll see what happens. So someone said to me. You know. Lamar Jackson. Is Better Than Van. Rensburg I said he's a better running back, but he's not a better quarterback. I don't care what anybody says I understand all that MVP nonsense and and how he had a great season and all this other rhetoric all I know is is that that guy is a runner I is an ankle breaker I and he's the last thing I would call a great quarterback. I think he's a great running back and I think He's super talented and you know I. Just think Ben Rothlisberger have a real quarterback like he's no joke that's all he does. He drops back he can take abuse, any dishes and slings and the other guy I still don't think he can throw it. You know there's a lot of talking around. You know leading up to that Cleveland game. There was a lot of talk in fact. That was asked this question in. Zoom. Interview. The other three quarterbacks? You know you're talking about a lot lot of heisman guys. And Ben Just Kinda took it in stride he laughed he said Yeah I don't have one of those heismans and you know meanwhile this is the quarterback in the in the division who has to Super Bowl titles to go along with you know Third Super Bowl appearance he is absolutely the real deal and I mean. To say that they're office burgers rejuvenated in his armfield strong and and he keeps telling people that he came back for his teammates. He's getting paid a lot of money and he's and he's he's getting up there but he can bid that. It's this is not a situation where an older quarterback who can't do what he did is getting the money. This is a guy who is better than he was and he was pretty darn good before he went out with the elbow injury I mean, this is not this is not a situation where Ben then was in big decline. Look Ben's numbers Ben's numbers are impressive You know going back the last five years and I think that if you get an any improvement upon that and the other thing is he's just so calm. I. Mean this is a guy who you know that in any given situation he he's GonNa know what to do. He's GonNa he's GonNa know when to audible he's going to know what plays the call I think that this is This is a perfect situation for the steelers after five games it with the exception of the injury to Devon Bush because I think he's You know the the questions that they had going in have been answered, and for that reason, I have to believe that that they're contender. You. One. More thing about Ben. You Look you look at his passing yards. You know he threw for four the you know going back to like the two, thousand, eight, two, thousand, nine, he threw for a lot of yards one of the two thousand, ninety, three for forty, three hundred yards. But but if you go back over the last several seasons, he threw for five thousand plus yards in two thousand, eighteen the year before his injury the year before that. He threw for almost forty three hundred yards, and then he was just shy of four thousand yards or over four thousand yards the four seasons before that. This is a guy who was the there was really no drop off for Ben Rothlisberger. He was getting better until the injury and now it appears that he's on pace for four thousand yards plus again, maybe more and look and the other thing about Ben, Rothlisberger look where every major passing category in league history. In League history, he's top ten in every category I mean the guys pushing sixty thousand he'll. He'll have sixty thousand yards passing if he stays healthy this year and and I just think it's a big mistake for any team to overlook him and and they won't because he's what makes them go. But now he has a running game. He has a deep pass to eight different receivers yesterday and he has a defense, and if you have all that if you have a good quarterback with a running game and a defense, you don't need anything else teams have won the Super Bowl with less than that and and now the learn. The Alley I gotTa Run I. Love Awesome Job aggregrate great sports cast. I'll get you on the show again on DVD side as well. Thanks so much Ab Bruton, but I gotta run albion writer in Pittsburgh everybody. All right. There you go. So coming back, it's thirty, one, three now Zona absent. Million Jerry Johnston on Monday night football. Travelers do you want to save money on your next flight? Then pick up the phone and call that's right call because the best prices are not online they're with smartfares. See smartfares has special deals with the airlines. When they have unsold seats, they use smartfares to fill them. So you get airline tickets at ridiculously low prices. 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You'd be there all day if I'd see him on the street that'd be Ouaga my dog I'd be like, oh I gotta go I'M GONNA. Spend an hour dog, my boy Alvi I love Albee's he's been on my show over over but I have to say you know I I still think there's five minutes left in this game I'm watching Jerry Jones and his son Steven and they're watching this game and I have never in my life I don't remember ever seen in the Dallas Cowboys lose thirty one to three. Ever I just can't remember a game ever that that. Bad like this is bad like this is as bad as it gets now I said the Magi they'll probably get a garbage time touchdown here you know but he's still drawing docs and deflected passes and getting picked off and throwing behind receivers I keep telling you this guy's a hack than he always has been I've never once thought he was good. I used to say all the time when the steelers played like they got nothing to worry about their playing Andy Dalton. Honestly can anyone sit here like if I'm a cowboy fan mob, you just reached out to his friend. WHO's a cowboy fan guy said he committed suicide at halftime like he just you know I've never in my life seen any cowboy team look this bad. I mean in a football game seriously he's but he's thirty one of forty, eight or two, hundred, forty, two yards of five yard average. He's been picked off twice sacked three times. His rating is fifty, nine, point five. That is terrible. I don't care what anybody says. I don't know what aim you're watching, but they can't even score a touchdown game. That's. Very Sports, fans this is Andy. Door. Check out my show door sports byline Sunday each and every Sunday eight am to ten. Am Pacific Time Adore sports on the sports byline USA Radio Network and Sports BYLINE DOT com. You're listening to Ferrall on the bench here on sports overnight. America. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio nip work at live dot heartland use fee dot com. 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Don't remember any of that I. Guess it was back in the days Cosell and Meredith and Gifford. But all I know is it's thirty, one three, the cowboys are on the door. Step the right at the goal line trying to score here on third and goal but. It's amazing to me like they really love their cowboys these people, and I know that because I was on there forever in Dallas they love the cowboys I mean like no other and it's amazing to me that they're still sitting there. They're still sitting there waiting to cheer for them to score a touchdown. That's all they want is one touchdown because they came to the game they spent all that money and they have done nothing all night, and here they are at the one yard line on third and goal, and they have to go for it on third and fourth right and they got score at least once for their fans because they're still sitting in the stands waiting to look at them. They're standing there dancing and waiting for him to score I would've been so gone mafia knows I remember when I had the Jaguars and we were there I would have been in that Jag doing a Bach down that highway back to that. Mary. Always said. All I. Know is is that I would have never stayed for this football game at thirty, one, two, three, you're still sitting there. Can you imagine like how much of a loser you have to be to like stay to like look at Jerry and his son they're still watching they're standing in their luxury suite watching this I'd be down in the in the clubhouse already waiting to light people up by own that team. You come into the dressing room. After that provides, I'd have been like Gimme my money back. Honestly. I'm paying you millions and you give me that that's the give me because honestly they look aesthetic in this game. Oh, they finally scored a touchdown now Gallup what a what a celebration for everybody. 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He actually had a big play, but he didn't have to do anything in the game because very did so much right and. They're they're up thirty, one ten by the way it was cooper that caught two touchdown not Gallup. I just thought when I first saw it was Gallup but it was it was cooper who they don't throw to anymore by the way. They they just have not been feeding Amari Cooper, the ball, which is crazy. They just gave one hundred, million dollars. How do you sign a guy for one hundred million dollars not throwing the ball you know what? I mean like they weren't throwing the ball his CD lamb gets all the passes. Gallup gets all the rest and you don't throw to this guy that's insanity. No wonder they suck, but here's the deal. I. Hit the Arizona to win outright getting two and a half boom. How you like me now I was lame to and believe it or not. It doesn't even matter I thought it was getting, but it was laying apparently. I don't know what the final number was. That's what I got it at the beginning of the week and I laid it. So I don't even know how it ended up in it at game time but either way I hit the bat, it doesn't matter they win thirty one time they would've gotten points given points. He's still would have covered either way but anyway, it was Dallas Lane one there you you know Dow's laying one. That's funny. They finally scored with two forty left in the game. Not Too long ago, it felt good to withdraw cash from the bank didn't it for a vacation or a new car, but today withdrawing your own cash has become. Anyway so I didn't want you. Thank you didn't do anything in a game. He actually had a big play, but he didn't have to do anything in the game because Berry did so much right and. They're they're up thirty, one ten by the way it was cooper that caught the touchdown. Not Gallup. I just thought when I first saw was Gallup, but it was it was cooper who they don't throw to anymore by the way. They they just have not been feeding Amari Cooper the ball, which is crazy. They just gave one hundred million dollars. How do you sign a guy for one hundred million dollars and not throwing the ball? You know what I mean like they weren't throwing the ball CD lamb gets all the passes Gallup gets all the rest and you don't throw this guy that's insanity. No wonder they suck but here's the deal I hit the. Arizona to win outright getting two and a half boom. Now I was laying two and a half believe it or not. It doesn't even matter I thought it was kidding but it was laying apparently. I don't know what the final number was. That's what I got it at the beginning of the week and I laid it. So I don't even know what what it ended up in at game time but either way I hit the it doesn't matter. They went thirty one ten would have gotten points given points. He's still would've covered either way but anyway. Dallas Lane one, there you go. Dow's laying one. That's funny. They finally scored with two forty left in the game, but they couldn't score the entire game on Arizona. Awful I don't care what the score says. No that thirty one ten is not half as bad as it actually was right and after four no start. where? They were talking about he was an MVP candidate that's all out the window. Now, they've lost two in a row. and. A tonight and they played at five o'clock in Buffalo. The chiefs beat him. He completed fourteen of twenty, seven fourteen completions the whole game for one, hundred, twenty yards and. Look like you know it was as bad as he gets for him. He threw to td passes as he had his fourth interception of the season Miss Receivers throughout the game and they lost twenty, six seventeen to the chiefs. He said quote we weren't good enough. I was not good enough. I gotTa do a better job. It's plain and simple I didn't play very good tonight I. Know that I understand that this team can't afford to have me play poorly early on just not being as accurate with the ball as I should have been making the right reads Megan right throws and we turned it on a little too late there. Anyway. It was the lowest total. He's had since week six of his rookie season excluding a week seventeen game against the jets when he played only one series. And so. They play the jets this week. Then they host the Patriots in Buffalo, the following week. They've always said their goal is winning the AFC's for the first time since ninety five and in order to do that, he's got a play better. That's just all there is to it but look on the bright side. I know they lost these two tough games right? It is what it is but let's face facts. The reality of it is as that the Patriots have lost two. In a row and three or four, right? So you talk all you want about. The Patriots. But right now, the Patriots aren't even second-place Buffalo's foreign to Miami's three and three. Miami's ahead of New England and the jets season is already over as far as the bills go right they have lost. They got blown out by the titans and then they lost it achieved those. to losses before that, they beat the raiders in Vegas, they beat the Rams in buffalo they beat the dolphins in Miami. Tight Game Thirty, one, twenty, eight, and they beat the jets by ten in Buffalo. Now they're playing by. Laying eleven in life. Do they cover the eleven mafia against your jets on Sunday after the way you saw him tonight. This little twenty. Pleased that back to the ten points the one covered. I think neither name was six points that. But the ten points wasn't even like you said, telling the game with just one because just scored late to make it at ten points they'll get blown out the whole game they're going to get smoked. They'll lose by twenty the next game. So you willing to lay the eleven no problem. Absolutely and then. To that when they gotta go play Kansas City is public at twenty, two point spread I'll later to. Awesome so So when you see your team. With gays and then this Guy Greg Williams opening his mouth. I cannot believe to be honest with you. Now I get it these guys are professional. So they can you know frankly do interviews are you kidding me? Drake's going to break away here late in the game and go house from like sixty seventy yards it's now thirty eight to ten. Guard again on a gigantic run the guy just went like fifty sixty yards. No one touched him. Sixty nine yards, it's going to be thirty, eight there dancing in the end zone. It's IT'S GONNA be Thirty, eight, ten with the extra point. It's thirty, seven hundred like they're rubbing it in their face now at this point and they didn't even try to they didn't even try to. It was just a straight hand up up the middle no-one touched him right up the middle and no one touched him and a guy went seventy yards. They didn't even try to score. It just happened like if you're going to open up the floodgates and let let the guy go right through with no one touching him then he deserves to go seventy yards today busy. So there you go. It's unbelievable. Right. So where was I? So the jets coach gays and this Guy Williams right so Williams opens his mouth and basically not so many words. Questioned gays right. Like the team is basically said, the offense stinks and. The team stanks and Blah Blah Blah and. Cases like you know. I. Heard what he said. You know what I'm talking about Mafia this became like an issue yesterday. What do you think of the fact that? The defensive coordinator Williams opens his mouth up and start slamming the whole operation, and then that JAS doesn't like cut that off at the head like you know I just don't think that frankly at this point that it does any. Good for the team or the franchise to Greg, Williams be doing interviews talking bad about everybody I mean you know what I mean like it's bad enough everybody already knows they're the worst team in a league everybody knows they're going to. If they play like the way they are right now they're not GonNa win and they're going to be the number one draft pick. They're going to be the worst team in La. The last thing they need is their defensive coordinator talking smack about everybody on the team. Actually, this is great I mean I think it does great things for them because it gives more discord is more bad blood and their worst franchises internally, the words are going to be on the field the better pick. So go ahead hate each other talk. Oh this Mac you want. To. Talk Smack. I think. It was that they gal zoom press conference someone asked him about how he points give it up and he's like this is not just all on us everyone made like a big comment saying like all the lead US hang out to dry or. Are Head coaches. Nobody's doing something like that. He said was this is not just the defense and he's right because how many times the offense does nothing gives you feel position at the you know you're on forty and then all of a sudden the defense is backed up or you know they have a crappy punt that gives them a great deal position the other way or the veges out there the whole game because get a single purse down I mean some of those numbers obviously reflect poorly on the some that. Is then, but it's skewed because when you have a defense out there, the whole game playing probably seventy plays a game because your offense goes three out every time they touched the ball you can't just blame them. You know these guys are just being hung out to dry but he didn't say that he just said is not just on the defense because the whole team sucks. That's how he should have like we're all terrible but always was not just on the defensive side and everyone blew it up like he's alive. You don't think that. I, get it at that they're out there too long but he's not doing a good job either at least. He. Anywhere I mean like Greg Williams has always been a really good defensive coordinator. He's got issues with I guess bountygate and everything else at the guy was. Dirty. we'll talk more about it on event. Are you sixty plus and love to travel introducing the senior travel discount network brought to you by low cost airlines call us anytime day or night and save to seventy five percent on your airline and hotel reservations. We can help you save a ton of money to fly almost anywhere. 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So ferrallonthebench what I was saying was is that When Williams he's he's got the rap like as a good defensive coordinator everyone knows the guy can coach defense and he's been. Let's just face it fairly successful at it, but he's got the reputation of the bounty that's hovered over his head, and all I know is is that He hasn't done it with the jets because they have no talent. So I think you know I think what Williams is going to be a good player, but he's not a good player yet, and that's all there is to it. He's got all the town the world, but he doesn't know what he's doing yet. It's because the rest of them I think are. So bad that it makes he fits in like you know like a jigsaw puzzle he fits right in with the rest of them. You know you are what you eat I mean the bottom line is that defense is so bad that it makes him look bad. You know what? I mean. So I think Greg Williams my my feeling is about it is that. At this point it's gotten so bad that team Mafia it's not a question of you agree with me or not. It's a question of I. Just don't think he should be talking I think there's just really it's so bad now. I. Mean. Let the players face the media and let gays talk 'cause he's GonNa get fired anyway at some point like if that guy. Survives this that'll be the real story? How do you survive I? Don't care what your contract is I don't care who's on the team i. don't care what your relationship is with the johnsons either the brothers all I know is is that ever since he got to the jets, all they do is lose I mean they lose like no other. So how do you? Keep him around like it's gotten so bad that are making fun of him like they're mocking the franchisor mocking the head coach they're mocking Williams they're mocking everybody, and I, just don't see how Joe Douglas Can. Frankly live with that. I just I don't know how you can keep that in place you can talk rebuild you can talk whatever you want. In fact, I'll tell you this much if they right now if they keep losing, they're going to have the number one and then Trevor Lawrence are gonNA draft with like it or not, and they're going to have to revamp and change that entire team for him and. You know we talked to Adam. Cabinet about it. Today was identified three of everything there so bad and so my point is Mafia that I just don't think Greg Williams should talk anymore it makes them look stupid I think it makes them look stupid I. Think it makes gays slip bad that you know some coaches talking on his own about the team behind him and he didn't have. Anything to do with it I just feel like they should have one voice at this point and maybe it's the players maybe it's gaze but I don't need what's next the special teams coach going to do an interview and talk bad about everybody maybe the secondary coach offensive line coach I just want one guy to tell me because it's already so bad no one wants to listen to. Gays or the players what can they say in an interview that's to change the fact that they're terrible nothing. So I don't know why. I know why the media interviews Greg Williams because of exactly what happened they know he'll tell like it is and that's what they want. They want somebody to just finally come right and say we stop and they want those quotes and I think it makes them look bad. I mean there's only so many times they could talked out gays have stuff at all I'm not worried about my job folks on my job is now or or we're good practices. In the same stuff from left and right because he's got nothing left to say 'cause there's nothing left to say they just suck. You know you're not get the honest answer tim of probably Outta here in the next ten weeks is somewhat I might not make until the end of the year, but you know click the paychecks until they fire may now. That's you're not going to get that from him. So they want the juicy quote and he was the guy who like you said he's GonNa call like it is. So they want turmoil they want something going on they want something right about. So you they're gonNA, interview this guy and then they take the one line he says that you know maybe not even. Maybe. That is about how the team in general sucks and turn it into internal flight and how these guys are at war and how they don't like each other and you know maybe is why teams terrible not terrible 'cause they have no talent whatsoever the only guy playing well as crowder he's playing like an all pro receiver and they still can't get. Any offense going because their quarterbacks are terrible. There had one of the best running backs in the game for five years before they got him and Nelson, they couldn't use them at all the guys the most all purpose yards of anybody for how long and they can't even throw the ball gets. It's just a complete mess there from top to bottom early is. So now that we've talked about down entirely too long the jets I just wanted to say that going back to Cuyler Murray I and I'm watching him do an interview for the game seven zero and Jerry's world the guy he won I. Guess. For. How many school titles for? School, tell us there and I think three games in college there as well. Right and then one of them was the big twelve championship game. I know that and then. Tonight he wins and that was easy. Money tonight. I. GotTa. Tell you because. I mean like it's funny to me too because most people that I heard from on this game most people. Today I felt. Were on the cowboys. Just felt like everybody thinks. He such soccer's for that helmet and that name here Dallas. Cowboys on Monday night football. I'm I'm taking them. Who they playing Arizona Oh they don't have a chance, Arizona, Amazon's against the cowboys in Dallas. It's so funny to me. I could have played the game in hell and I would have bet on Arizona because I said flat out any dog on socks and Kyle Murray and Hopkins don't that's all I need to know and sure enough hopkins gigantic catch. But he didn't even score on it, but it was a gigantic had just you know rub it in their face that you can't stop. Hopkins. They thought they could that was their game plan they were GonNa Stop Hopkins, they were all over him. They had coverage all over and the guy that was guarding him was just literally hacking the hell out of him but. It's funny. They're showing Zeke Elliot. Twenty sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen he five humbles total. He's lost four fumbles this year already. In one season. and. Then watching. Guy. Murray and I just running down their throat one big play after the next on third downs scoring touchdowns he won and they stopped him at the half goal line. He scored each scored on another one. He ran it in he's just. Unbelievable I. Mean it's crazy to me. I gotta be honest with you how this dude is destroying. He's he's making a huge name for himself in the NFL as a really good quarterback right and he can do it all I. Did you see that Balmy through two nights? A kirk eighty yards I mean it was a gigantic bomb and I think he's got hopkins he's got fits. He's Kirk. This is a loaded talent team with Kingsbury I. Like Him I. Think I can't deny that I like him I. Think they got creative offense I think they can play. I'm not super sold on on Kenyan drake even though he had a seventy yard touchdown, run the night no one touched him. He went right up the middle at the end of the game to make it thirty, eight ten but I I'm not huge I. saw him drop a big third down pass. I'm not huge on I. DON'T I'm not bad on him I. think that Guy's a good player. I don't think he's great whatever but they really I guess they're their secondary. impressed. Me Tonight would some picks But it I guess their Defense Without Chandler Jones would be my question I. Don't think they're world leaders or anything like that. But you can't deny what they're doing. Now all of a sudden 'cause you know Seattle's incredible their unbeaten everyone writes everyone else off the niners beat the rams, ass. So people are back on the niners bandwagon after the jets beat them by thirty. Now, all of a sudden they're back on the CA-. The niners what he had my view. You think the niners go to Fox photos we can lose. The Patriots Lose Doing Rodham. They lost lock who's okay. But the rest of that team is nothing and they gave up all those field goals cameras absolutely terrible. So if that defense shut down at the Denver defense was you know has, but you guys listening and then got shut down by Cam and then the San Francisco Defense shut down the rams who were looking great against these other teams. I'm worried about that game I mean traveling East never looks good for these teams but I, think that is gonNA give camp a lot more trouble after what he's the niners Sierra, the niners. At this point, I'm leaning towards. niners. Yeah. Is I don't think there anything to worry about I think everyone just bought into them today because they. beat the RAMS, but they've looked terrible this year. End and so I'm not buying them and I think Arizona's better. I do. Think column is better than Garoppolo and I think without a doubt their receivers are better than savored. CISCO's. and. That's it and I look I think the rams are a lot better than they looked on Sunday I think they're. I like you know woods and cop and guy off and Donald and they are they are loaded with talent and I mean you're going to have an egg. You'RE GONNA lay egg once in a while and did on Sunday night. So I was surprised they got beat I thought they'd win that game I was on them and. I got I got torched but tonight I went for now. So I guess at the end of the day, it's what have you done for me lately what I've done via lately as I hit every single tonight does that taste? So I'll take it but I'm not buying I'm not buying San Francisco I. Think there's something wrong with them I've seen it listen you lose I mean the dolphins have played really good football this year with fits and that's all there is to it but. The day I. saw them go out to Santa Clara and beat them by like thirty whatever points I mean they beat him up and down they beat him senseless. I can't even believe I saw that that's when I was done with the niners. You're at home getting your ass beat by the dolphins I mean you gotta be kidding me this is a team that went to the Super Bowl and they can't beat the dolphins at home. That's when I was done what I'm so whatever. Anyway they're somebody's games this week and what happened this weekend? What's hot for business this week at Staples, small prices, big savings, help your business go big with prices on everything you need to pack and ship right now at staples, save twenty percent on ups, expedited shipping services plus save up to thirty percent on select shipping supplies shop in store or get same-day delivery through INSTA- cart and say big at staples and ten thirty one while supplies. 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Don't have timed like go through all the Games because of the shows pretty rigid and. Our schedule like how it works, how we segment and positive through and do things. So there's no time to like sit there and look at every game, right? So I just wanted to look because I mean, obviously, I did those games on Friday I hit everything smu to win to lane covered the seven that was an overtime game and I hit Byu and I laid three and a half and they beat the Snot out of Houston a forty, three, twenty, six with a huge second half. They were losing that game too. By the way I view that quarterback Wilson is making a name for himself. I think they can sling it for sure. I talked about some of these Games today on TV but I'm going to just go through 'em again really quick Notre Dame I look terrible in that Game Against Louisville in South Bend, and I'm sorry you know that rankings mean nothing and they're a complete joke fabricated nonsense and all those stupid power rankings they do in every sport every week. It's every week they come out with our rankings in every sport every week, and it's just a gigantic cluster forever. It's just the biggest waste of time ever. I've said this before it just so we're clear there's only one team that wins it in everything. Okay. So you can have all these power rankings all you want congratulations. Oh, you finished number four and the power rankings. What is your girlfriend still make out with you? I mean honestly if you don't win at all, what good are you seriously like union what number nine finishing brag, your friends hey I finished. Number, nine is buying my pizza tonight you know what I mean like. So these power rankings are a waste of time they really are, and you never I never hear me going through power rankings I just there's no point in it. I mean all that is killing time they want to here's what we're GONNA. Do we're going to do power rankings in every single sport so people have something to talk about Ron. But here's my point. These rankings are not just power rankings talking AP and coach's polls in college basketball and college football are a joke in my opinion because at the end of the day, all that matters in college football is that College Football playoff let's it and only two left standing and one wins it, and that's it. The other no one cares just. So we're clear no one cares about the teams that go to the final foreign in basketball and that lose on Saturday okay. no-one no-one cares about team to lose the championship game. They only care about the team that wins it. That's it once they lose than they do their cheesy pathetic post game interviews with the losing coach and it's so awful. No one wants to hear from losers. They don't you think they do because they do it to you every time we're GonNa go talk quietly now with the coach that just lost see if we can get any kind of emotion Auburn. Coach how do you feel about losing the championship game by twenty? What do you expect? You know what you should get is every time you interview a loser they should have bill belichick's face in a in a Monday presser just see you could see what it's like to have what they think of you. that. Coach even that gets interviewed he doesn't WanNa do it. He has to do it, and then when he does it, he talks glowingly about how proud he is of his kids and they do it in every sport. You know the teams that lose like snicker all of the brands whoever? The Astros. Does the I'm so proud of these. I'm so proud it's so ridiculous but here's the point I'm trying to make is that it took forever because I'm an idiot but. Notre Dame moved up to number three. Would that Absolute Hurl Performance Against Louisville? So how in God's name? Do you raise the roof and get you move up in the rankings when you play a game that bad You know they should do. They should call me up. I have the absolute just gigantic grapefruit size onions to tell it like it is with the rankings. Here's what happens. Notre Dame should've dropped three spots in the rankings for that performance against Louisville and don't even tell me I'm wrong. They actually moved up in the national rankings when they could. Be Louisville in South Bend Notre Dame it listen someone do me a favor keep them out of the playoff because we already know what happens when they go they lose and lose badly right And then someone said to me, it was carver high he said. Brian. Kelly's never won a big game against the top ranked team. Like a number one, he's not going to beat Clemson Izzy. He really are you really going to bet on Notre Dame to beat Clemson. When they can barely beat Louisville Clemson's not going to mess around with Notre Dame I didn't give them a game in South Bank is that'll be the only game that matters to them. In fact, up at my life yesterday Notre, Dame on Airplane Louisville was practicing for Clemson. That's what they're doing. They don't care about any other game, but they better get that game 'cause Glens are going to beat their ass. Do you remember I was doing this show you weren't on the air the other night I won't even say, but people are trying to sell me on short attack beating Clemson was like. What. I was on the air with someone that was convinced that Georgia tech would no matter what it'd be in the game and cover no matter what and I was like. I laid four and a half touchdowns. I like what happened I was like I was never worried about it. I was like just lay obviously he's like what he? So not her name raises up in the rankings they rise up or whatever move up whatever you WANNA call it elevator up to the panel's top three in the country. Now, what a joke that is when you played that bad, you don't deserve to do anything drop. Okay. Maybe I'll get you stay right where you are but but somebody else loses or something so you move up because You played apple had no way move somebody else up that deserves it not some team like Notre Dame that didn't deserve anything except A. Basically a foot in their in their focus because they played. So badly, they slept walk through the Louisville. Game Right. So there you go. Clemson seventy three to seven, whatever Georgia Tech I'm rambler from Georgia Tech. Janie hell of an engineer and I think my whiskey clear there drinking whisky aride bobby odd. Seventy three to seven your girlfriend is so fat. I mean dynasty you are. You are screwed pro. Miami beat pepperdine cover. And I'm a huge gains fan look over my shoulder. If you're watching the Sports Radio Youtube page in see my five National Championship Canes Banners Right there. You see those clearly anyway I love the canes but I bet on Ted and thirteen and a half never moved at ten and a half. It wouldn't have been even told you. He's not good enough China's not good enough. You needed to thirteen and a half, which is what I got at the beginning of the week and ferrallonthebench dot com that's for lovers. That's what I do is make people money. and then Auburn they lost to South Carolina. I never got to say this today on. Coast to coast on the TV side can I just say it now mafia? Would it be right I? Say Bo Nick Sucks. I mean to tell you that guy what a performance in in williams-brice in Columbia on Saturday in South Carolina lose another game Docs not only was he. Terrible. Throwing picks left and ride and they got their ashby but he was also involved in all kinds nonsense nonsense I talking smack with players from South Carolina getting in. Shouting matches with his own teammates did you see him? Did you watch the game, the quarterback for Auburn lost his mind and he was losing it on the sideline screaming it is star receiver. No wonder. The guy doesn't catch the passes because you're a D to Him and you're screaming and yelling Adam, I wouldn't want to catch a meter I'll drop them on purpose. You wouldn't treat me and embarrassed me on national television. That's what he did. He was screaming at him on the sideline meanwhile he was throwing all the picks and he every time he ran nothing ever happened he did nothing and I know he had a bunch of first downs and whatever and everything else but the bottom line was. He never he could never get the ball in the end zone and don't and don't kid yourself about the twenty two points. Okay they I mean. BOTTOM LINE IS A. South Carolina, play dirty I thought they. They were so much after the whistle nonsense I. mean they were shoving players talking, smack him in their face after every tackle standing over him with both legs player looking down on him while they're making tackles like it got so dirty and Chevy that game but I thought the Auburn quarterback lost his mind and that's you know what your quarterback snaps you lose you can have your quarterback snap. He was so worried about what South Carolina was doing to him and talking smack to him that he got sucked right out of that game and he was not even a factor and how Tennessee they bench their quarterback because he was so awful Kentucky beat their ass. I'm just going through the other ones that somewhat matter liberty beat Syracuse at the carrier Dome Thirty, eight twenty one they what that? Ass and you gotTA. Admit that Christians from Virginia about the liberty getting involved I know. Whatever you talk about Syracuse they don't matter but there are a lot bigger than liberty. Okay and they beat him and humiliate them West Virginia. They couldn't cover against Kansas Salman bearing they beat him thirty eight seventeen at least I don't think they covered. It was dino. They didn't cover because it was like twenty two. Army beat Texas San Antonio let's see NC state dude. But they lost their quarterback. He broke his leg reply North Carolina this week run to the window Memphis I gave you they covered they beat ucf fifty to forty nine. The kicker of central Florida was arguing with his teammates on the sideline and during the game real late in the game and it was. Better than the the game was really good. The watching the kicker yelling at this other players getting in a fight with him on his own bench. That's always a sign that you're losing. When you've got the teammates fighting, you know what I mean like though. Knicks yelling at his receiver you now you're GONNA lose when when teammates are yelling at each other it's over. Anna beat Mississippi state in Starkville I. Gave You wake. They beat Virginia at Winston Salem. and. Florida state with the big upset of North Carolina Alabama Virginia Tech in Blacksburg kick. PC's ass everything else was canceled. So coming up this week in terms of games. Friday night Illinois in Wisconsin in mad town, Saturday Notre Dame, and pit. Houston Clemson Nebraska how state that Martinez is the quarterback in Nebraska he's in his thirty fifth year as the. Order bag learn us. I mean is that kid? Martinez been there that long or is that his brother now? This guy has been there for fifteen years i. don't even I have never seen anyone play quarterback longer than that kid, Martinez it at Nebraska and day North Carolina's we can Kansas Kansas state this weekend, Auburn Oldness almost six turnovers they're awful Obama. TCU. Florida State Louisville in Louisville. Maybe, the CAN win another game in a row Rutgers Michigan State in East Lansing. Alabama's in Knoxville against Tennessee. To Land UCF have a martial. Those are decent games Iowa State Oklahoma State Penn. State's plan Bloomington against the. Hoosiers and then Vitek wake. And then Houston's and navy in Annapolis Baylor. Texas. In Austin Iowa in West Lafayette Georgia Tech BC and Chestnut Hill Kentucky's at Missouri West Virginia Texas Tech. Michigan Minnesota Virginia Miami I mean, it never ends. Does it unlv San Diego state I mean there's some really good College Football Games this week thank God. The big ten's bagging makes everything look more football because it is more football Shang at. Travelers do you want to save money on your next flight? Then pick up the phone and call that's right call because the best prices are not online they're with smartfares. See smartfares has special deals with the airlines. When they have unsold seats, they use smartfares to fill them. 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In all honesty, the defense there was actually progress would you consider they held the chief to twenty-six points? The defense has been a disappointment this year and I expected more from Josh Allen Tonight after the poor performance I was hoping that he was gonNA bounce back but the entire team is in a funk right now the coaching staff. The players, the cheerleaders, trainers You know the the dude janitor I think just everybody and let's be real man in uh, the buffalo bills they played bad teams to start the season. Now they're playing elite teams and they're somewhat being exposed. Doesn't mean that the sky is completely followed I still think there are ten when team I still think they're gonNa win this division. Bought I think would be kidding ourselves. If we really believe they're on the same level right now of like you know the Kansas City chiefs and the ravens in Pittsburgh steelers in the world. So I gotTa tell you you mentioned the cheerleaders and I did notice that the cowboy cheerleaders were working in the stands at Jerry's world tonight and I have to say they look bad. They look. Read my mind Scotty watching hurricane I don't want to sound like. I might be a little bit too old to be saying I was watching hurricane game. Damn. I gotta be honest. I. Like the mass to it's a nice touch Scotty I got no problem with. Listen they are smoke show hotties down there. I gotTa tell you. It's fantastic. Right ranch have a great show by the way at Pitt and thirteen and a half but. Anyway. I'll see you tomorrow at four on coast to coast and a great job mafia tonight good night I hit both Games Kansas City to win and minus and Arizona to win and minus. Something from today's show, you can find it now on iheartradio talk that iheartradio dot com slash talk a special news and updates station you control follow us on Iheartradio talk and stay in touch twenty, four, seven you're listening to sports overnight America. Where the rubber always meets the road. Actually I'm not even sure what that means. Speed Radio Network live. News feeds, DOT com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by. Follow us on facebook twitter and INSTAGRAM's. Concert, join US cast for October Twentieth Twenty Twenty my clifford. Senator Lamar Alexander a Republican defended Dr Anthony Fauci expertise Monday that after president, trump tweeted, and spoke to campaign staffers about the top health official and made false claims about his pandemic advice that from Newsweek, they caught Alexander as saying Dr Fao Cheese. One of the country's most distinguished public servants. He has served six presidents starting with Ronald Reagan the senator continued on twitter if more Americans paid attention to his advice meaningful cheesy. We'd have fewer cases of covid nineteen and it would be safer to go back to school and back to work out to eat. Concern that student debt hits black people the hardest the N. double ACP is taken to twitter today in a campaign to make sure that the presidential candidates prioritize reducing college dead in their education policy platform in Virginia research shows that almost seventy percent of students of color took out expensive loans between twenty thirteen and twenty eighteen in an online event announcing the twitter Dr Karen Blair with the Alliance to reclaim our schools points to legacy of institutional racism. As one reason for disparities he says the risks of lifelong debt and the rising costs of higher education are preventing more black students from entering college student debt is. Control, it's rough. To Middle Eastern home ownership finding new car in a business. He's a real thing in everyday black one living under. In late student at Blair and other experts at the forum urging candidates to propose cancelling student debt altogether they also say state legislators should consider innovative programs such as tax credits for loan relief and more funding for historically black colleges and universities. I'm Diane Bernard. And what do you do for an encore after you register thousands of Arizona's to vote? Well, you head back out and make sure they cast their ballots volunteers from one Arizona a coalition of almost thirty advocacy groups from across the state spent much of the Spring and summer contacting and assisting zones with completing the voter registration process one, Arizona deputy field director Liz Mutiu says, now that election day is coming in just two weeks, it's time to seal the deal. We launch a get out the vote or program with. The goal of knocking on one hundred, sixty, thousand doors. These are the folks that we've helped register early on this year, and we're making sure that we go to their doors and say now let's make a plan to vote Zamudio says, volunteers are knocking on doors or sending messages to the people they registered many of whom are voting for the first time to help them cast a ballot either by mail in person at an early voting station or at their precinct on election day mark. Richardson reporting this is P. Ns. A Credit Union is leading relief efforts after wildfires, devastated Oregon and September more nat from Eric. Ticket off rogue. Credit. Union has raised more than a million dollars for communities in southern Oregon President and CEO gene. Pelham says twenty, five, hundred homes near their Medford headquarters destroyed after the September eighth fires six staff members lost their homes and the fire and multiple others either have. Family members with them over displays temporarily, those types of things within two weeks of the virus. The Rogue Credit Union. Wildfire Relief Fund raised a million dollars since then it's distributed one point one, five, million dollars including one hundred, thousand each to the United Way and La Clinica the Phoenix talent school district received one hundred fifty thousand dollar grant to distribute laptops to affected students. In two weeks, California will decide on three criminal justice reform ballot measures. Proposition twenty five would repeal the current system of cash bail. Instead, people would be released while awaiting trial for certain low level crimes for mid level crimes a judge would use an algorithm to help decide whether a person must be held until trial. Those accused of serious crimes would remain behind bars until trial Mike Herald with the Western Center on law and poverty says, cash bail is very punitive for low income defendants. Many people ended up getting held in jail for months on end simply because they didn't have the money to be able to get out on bail and then other folks who did get out on bail Austin were stuck with very large bills I'm Suzanne Potter. Finally are Mike. Moen tells us a key advocacy group says I always let next population could have a significant presence at the polls in November. Historically Latinos have lagged behind when it comes to participating in elections, but they now represent the largest minority voting group in the US. Joe and Riga's. With the nonpartisan Iowa League of United, Latin American citizens says over the past year outreach groups have added ten thousand registered lat next voters across the state. He says about half of the registered population is younger than thirty and they're outspoken when it comes to political issues in they are the ones coming from those status families that have had to deal with the issues of immigration and have been on the voices for their family says. Says because of absentee voting laws approved by the Republican led legislature this year many Latinos in Iowa still planning to head to the polls on election day. That's despite Iowa still seeing a surge in covid nineteen activity GOP officials maintained the rules are meant to protect against fraud in Iowa. There are thousand eligible Latino voters. This is my clifford four public news servicemember listener supported some America's great radio stations and online at public news service. Winner hurt people's feelings. It's Ferrall on the bench I believe in whipped cream having. On the band in the biggest way possible and. The bad seed. I. Would have bad attitude hanging out of A. Bad, taste bad. 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EPISODE #505 "Night Of The Living Dumb!"

The Radio Adventures of Dr. Floyd

04:52 min | 4 months ago

EPISODE #505 "Night Of The Living Dumb!"

"It is time once again for everyone's favorite radio show to create the adventures of Dr. floor brought to you by Dr Floyd. Dot Com. I. When we last left out horrified heroes, they were in Egoyan New Japan in the year sixteen fifty, they were currently surrounded by Dr Steve's latest maniacal Mac and nation an acrimonious army of Ninja zombies while Dr. Steven Frigid Morbid Amusement nearby the blood-curdling Brigade Zombie staggers closer and closer to Dr Floyd Dr Grant and chips. What are we GONNA do Dr Floyd? And we have to make a pen according to my calculations. Thanks time every. minute. They are pretty slow moving not like those Sammy's in that one movie though zombies degrade I will not get into the slow versus fast moving Zombie debate here. Well, we have five minutes Oh we don't I want to get back and go trick or treating quick back to the ship. Let's jump ahead four minutes and thirty seconds, and we'll get this over with. NOBODY CHIPS BECK ownership in seconds. Our heroes are back aboard their time and space ship and they wanted again make a jump to Eagle Alina, Japan just four minutes and thirty seconds later. Once they reappear, they run down the ship's ran back to the same exact spots they were in moments which are now within arm's reach of the Ninjas on. See we saved ourselves sometimes. Making. John. Probably would have been a good idea. I TAC doctor. Mr. I'm not Dr Floyd this is just my halloween costume he's Dr Flowing. Heat. I just wanted them precise Ninjas on. What are we going to do? The only thing we can do in this situation Dr Grant? House our heroes stoically screen self-defense the lead Ninja, Zombie, Prius back to deliver a crippling coffee trump to Dhaka floor. When his hand makes contact with Dr Floyd shoulder there's a creaking sound and zombies on right off onto the drought. Not Degrade chips I know what to do now to defeat them what's that stench do? Trust me standstill our heroes Stan perfectly Steve. As they do zombies own back to begin their. As they attack however owns on their coats break east on's invades flying everywhere and you moments our views are still standing studio in a pile of dust and old Ninja rooms standing nearby shopped at what they witnessed is Dr Steven Bridget. My beautiful. Army of Ninja zombies go guess you up Lloyd what of these days I will succeed. Whatever US J. DR Steve? Come along? Let's get out of here. Should we go after them let them run. We need to get home and do some trick or treating or Hughes. Soon back in Dr Floyd's laboratory all set to go out and do the trick or treating last night's check candy bags. Looks like we're all set where's your costume Dr Flowing e-trade here help me put it on. Okay. Hang on our. Watch. My ears your arms through down. There we go. Okay. What do you think? I'm figure. Where did you get a sock? That big Dr Floyd? You know the basketball player Nate Thurman Healed me a favor. So you're wearing one of big nate's socks. Would Wash did I? That is disgusting. Come on let's just go no seriously I washed it heroes lockup the lab and head out into Saddle River city to go trick or treating where with their adventures take Dr Floyd in his cool next what evil plans could Dr Steve The cooking up in the dark of night and just what candies Dr Floyd hooping to his trick or treat bag this year smarties I love him I have an order to aid them into first away. Then the green find out next time on the creepy adventures of Dr floored. I. Know.

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Keep That Same Energy

PTI

22:59 min | 11 months ago

Keep That Same Energy

"No one likes to feel stuck especially by your cloud but the IBM cloud is the most open and secure public cloud for business. It can manage all your apps and data anywhere smart. Loves problems. Ibm Let's put smart to work visit. Ibm Dot com slash flexible interruption? But I'm Mike Wilbon all star weekend. Almost too much for me totally sauce. I should probably be home. And I'm Tony Kornheiser. Sounds like it's GonNa be a great show by it is. I'm a man. I'm going to get my hot tea here like you do. Every day I do once a year. You know what you're tired you're saw Yup. You know you should be sleeping. Coughing complete disaster when a man up? Yeah COMING AFTER YOU THIRTY MINUTES TRYING. Make it all the way through welcome. Pti boys and girls and today's episode controversy in the Dunk Contest. Baseball warns teams not to throw at the Astros and Mike Tomlin backs Mason Rudolph. But we begin today with the All Star game specifically the fourth quarter of the All Star game in that time quarter when the first team to reach the target score one. It actually looked like a serious honest basketball game. There were blocks charges. Defense and real effort. We'll bomb you were there. What did you make of this modified eat lamb ending Tony? I like the fourth quarter particularly the last ten minutes of the fourth quarter the fourth quarter the first quarter you know. I was wandering around the United Center. Staying out of my friends in the first quarter did nothing. The fourth quarter was great and the question. I guess it's okay to have one great quarter. Ask guys here for one quarter of an all. Sorry I mean. James Harden played tougher defense more intense defense than I've ever seen him play in the playoffs. Because that is a situation where your peers are looking at us saying. We're all in here right and so. I thought it was great but the again. Tony isn't enough to have that for one quarter. I think the answer actually from most people is yes so I'm going to go further than that. We both agree that the All Star game in the main is a television show. Nobody plays art. There's a Lotta dunks a lot of shots from thirty seven thousand one dumps out there. There's something like that. But what the fourth quarter of this game proved in particular. Was that even great? Players will rise to the challenge. When there's something new in the actual game is on the line. I'm going to suggest this might. I'm going to suggest that the NBA immediately adopt this format for over times in regular season games. Not In the playoffs just like in hockey not in the playoffs. But in regular season overtime games get to ten. I you win the game. Look all the other sports have gone to this on some level. Baseball has not yet. They're and they're going to. They might but football i. If you score touchdown game over obviously soccer hockey look how much people like this in college football? You know Tony you know what two or three more weeks and you might persuade me. You might wear me down with this. I might say you know what Tony this has to be done. It has to done for millennials and subsequent generations of my hand. Pay attention if the ratings are bad and regular season games and you go to something else. This can do this. You go on North quarter because then you can't milk the clock. You gotta try to score. Might BE EXCITING ENOUGH. But not the plane's not might be. I'm not slamming the door. I'm giving you tired anywhere. Me Down there you go. That's easy is a first question. Where do we get to the Nice Dunk contest? Didn't provide the drama thirty two years ago tone when Michael Jordan Dominique Wilkins squared off here. Madison Street but there was controversy. Derek Jones junior my pick to win it even though you never heard of him to. Friday had some fabulous throwdown as if he was launching himself from a trampoline but Aaron Gordon thought he had stolen the show and won the contest when he went over and through 7-foot-5 Taco fall the United Center roared and then through some inadvertent balloting. You why we are Chicago Jones. Junior had one more point and the win. Oh my man. Jones junior of the Miami heat deserved to win this now. Not even a little no allen. Gordon deserve to win this. I don't care who else was out on the court because let's go back to what he did he went over. A guy was at least seven foot. Five and in shoes is maybe seven foot seven. I don't care if he kicked him in the neck he went over this guy. Derek Jones junior is that his name. He didn't do that Ken. Griffey junior didn't do that. You know over Taco full and you don't and you have landed on the ground yet. You Win game over dunk contest over the kid. Got Got hosed. I want to disagree with you because I picked Jones junior to win this and I think he's the best dunker in the league. Okay Tony I don't know how much inside we're going to get here. But the voters weren't planning to Award Jones Junior the contest on that duct. They got the right. They didn't get the math wrong. The execution of something well intended didn't work because they should have held up to nine extrovert healed up. Forty seven when you jump over. Guy Who Seven Foot Ryan. Give him a forty seven by the way yuming enough with whole numbers. I mean I didn't major in math needed to Juno. But you know what you gotTA GO FRACTIONAL. You gotta be somebody a nine point five nine point seven and not just want to get you. People got no calculators in the League office. Whoever's running the dunk cuts stopping some eight nine ten? This is dumb. Alan Gordon Yellow. Going back out there said never going back to old now in the words of Brian Iraq. Poll come on then. What are we doing out here? Man Seven five boom see you. There is all sorts of reporting John. B Line is on his way out is Cleveland Cavaliers Coach. Either by his own decision by somebody in management's the sixty seven year old beeline agreed to coach the cavs for five years and left the University of Michigan to do it the cavs fourteen and forty under beeline. We'll is it too soon. Give up on this south already. Have I've certainly been told here during all star weekend that this is over. I mean before we get off the air. I mean this could be over and it sounds like it's going to be over shortly and I got. I got conflicting feelings on this. Look you know. I am not a person who believes in the main. There are exceptions. That college coaches you know convey to the NBA NFL TUBER NBA. And when this happened you know I said I wish jumpy lies a good man and a good coach. There's no doubt about this. No arguing that but when you put them in this situation so I don't know is I don't WanNa say you can't give a college coach opportunity to prove the person but I don't know that I would be that guy. There's a sort of predictable and I feel bad for John. V Line. Well just just two words Brad Stevens. I mean you can come from college. That's right you can just in this particular case. This is an unmitigated disaster about a week or two into the season Cleveland. Players wore already saying that they didn't lie. John B line that he didn't know the pro game that he was coaching like a college coach which he can't do in the pros a few weeks ago. He called some of those players thugs and said hold on. I didn't mean thugs. I mean slugs and now he's telling friends associates that it's miserable the way you lose because in college you played thirty five games and you lose a good school like Michigan. Five to ten fourteen and forty. So it's better for everybody. He took this job. I'm sure for the money. Sort of like an annuity. It hasn't worked out. Give him a settlement and you know what he should do my go back to college. T One d two D doesn't matter that's right. That's yeah and Tony While you WANNA point out of glowing exception in Boston he he's Tony. I can stack names of guys who didn't work. No you gotta go back to college and they do any do a successful. And you're right. Probably Hall of fame coaches like Jerry Arcadian. Didn't they try this point? But it's guy he's he chose. You can happen and it can happen in a big way. The Houston Astros in their misbehaving is dominating the beginning of spring training. Commissioner Rob Manfred. Spin is time yesterday warning managers and the Grapefruit League. They better not try to exact revenge from the STROZ. This season Manfred said quote. It's dangerous and it is not helpful to the current situation close quote and plans to say something tomorrow to managers in Arizona in the cactus league so Manfred right to try and protect the Astros. I'M GONNA take issue with the question in this regard. I don't think he's trying to protect the astros. I think he's trying to protect human life. I mean they'd look you can't have this. There are ways within the code of baseball to throw at somebody and not hurt somebody but if you throw it somebody capriciously because you're angry at something that happened like a team cheating. You gotta go and you gotTa go. If you're the pitcher for thirty games because you protecting human life here the pitching coach and manager. You gotta go for five to ten games. This could happen in spring. Training could happen in the regular season. It you cannot managers know and Umpires no and if you throw capriciously get out. Can't have it. I'm not gonNA disagree with what you're saying. Why does it take this? You mean rob Manfred and our friend bud ceiling before him you mean. They can't find other situations to warn managers as a group or the League wanted. Somebody warned Thug Pittsburgh pirates last year about thorny people which they did all the time. Throw them at this. It takes this well is it takes one team being the scourge of the League for Rob Manfred saying. Here's the smart with your analysis. Here's the difference with the Pittsburgh Pirates. What it wasn't twenty nine against one with the Pittsburgh pirates and you've got to come back and you've got to tell me what do you want? What more do you want to happen here? Because if I'm rob Manfred I the players immunity because you know what Mike. If I don't have the players on my side I got no game. There's no game. So what more do you want as a result of myles Garrett again accusing Mason Rudolph of a racial taunt Rudolph's coach. Mike Tomlin is defending his player. Tomlin said in a statement quote if Mason said what miles claimed it would have come out during the many interactions I had with those in the browns organization I received no indication of anything racial in those interactions unquote this morning on. Espn I take show. Tomlin said quote. I fully support Mason Rudolph when these allegations return this weekend. I thought it was appropriate. That Mason is properly defended unquote will what do you make a Tomlin's position? Well Tony just watching Mike. Tomlin mostly from afar mostly. I think he's the most unassailable unimpeachable witness. You could have in this situation to speak out and when Mike Tomlin speaks out like this to me. He has complete and utter credibility and I believe him I. I've said to you. I don't know what to believe here because you don't just throw this accusation arousal can't you can't and perhaps was thrown around because nobody on the field you look. Tony. I've been involved in these situations where I've been called it. Other people have been called it and then comes out right away right away. It comes out it comes out while you're swinging the hell you called me what I mean. You don't hold this back. And so I agree with Mike Tomlin. I understand what he's describing. He's very exact. And his defense of Mason Rudolph. I believe him one hundred percent so it comes down to this. If Mason Rudolph said this and by the way as you watch the tape all the time there is at least one lineman within one foot of him and he would have heard it usually to linemen within one foot and they would have heard it but if Mason Rudolph said this. He is a marginal player he will be out of the League. Because you cannot have this guy on your team. It just doesn't work in the locker room. But if he didn't if Myles Garrett is making this up then you have jussie smollet situation you have somebody saying there was a hate crime here. But they're making it up for his own advancement. My sense of this is on Cleveland. That Cleveland has a lot of guys that run their yaps like Baker Mayfield and they'll Beckham and there's no accountability. I don't know what happened here but like you. I look at Tomlin as having the authority in this particular circumstance. So you're the commissioner. Don't you have to all parties to New York? Yes and have a nice and not just yourself ono in together do call some experts and both of them and their coaches and owners and you have to say we have a potential situation. Here we're going to get to the bottom of this and we're not going to visit it again. Yeah no we're GONNA stay all night until we figure this out that's right let's take a break but still to come with Jay Wright be wise to leave Villanova for the Knicks. Why L. No as you talk your struggles over the weekend. The minister expectations for his. I watched a lot of that tournament. That makes the NFL ever been locked down. You know suffered a setback. Fired left out. It happens it happens a Mike. Bloomberg middle class kid worked his way through college. Got A job started a family boom fired at thirty nine would it? Mike do for a lot of us. Do we got back up. Dove back in. He had an idea designed a new computer able to crunch data and process information in a unique way he built it. He sold it. He built more. He sold more. He built a team. Built a company. Created twenty thousand jobs. Bloomberg is a doer. This is Michael. Douglas I played a president and movies. This is real world. This is our World Mike. Bloomberg has what it takes to win unite the country find some common ground between Democrats and Republicans and then lead the way a leadership. Mike will get it done. I'm Mike Bloomberg candidate for president. And I approve. This message paid for by Mike Bloomberg Twenty twenty every week. The email box is filled up with thoughtful questions. But mostly spam so much spam. Let me see what I would. You ADVISE J. Right to take the Knicks Job. If offered no hell no and there's this report that the Knicks are interested in J row. Of course they're interested in Jay Wright and they'd be interested in like interested in Steve Kerr. He's told them No. They've been interested in a lot of people. Most of whom have told the Knicks. No Jay Wright has a great job he lives close enough to New York and knows. The garden knows our whole culture. Well enough to say thank you. I'm staying here I can win championships plural. 'cause that's what he's done. I know you. You agree with me most of my life. I have loved the Knicks. It's only the last ten years that I've moved away from them. I was there. As you know when Willis Reed came out the captain and hit those shots love. Read and Butcher and Bradley and Frazier. Don't take this job and then to have Philly Guy Mike the Seventy sixers offerman job to think about you have to writing about. He's not a New York. Those players don't mean anything to him. Moses Malone Julius erving guys like no don't take this job no no. We agree on that. Stay away from that place. Does Tigers poor finish. Make you less optimistic about his season ahead. I was never optimistic. Mystic about season hit. I'm optimistic about the masters. And that's about it. He went seventy six seventy seven over the weekend to finish. Dfl Glass Yeah. I look we know. Riviera is not a place that he likes anyway. But Tony you have been optimistic. I'm not optimistic. I'm realistic. I mean tigers. Tiger's the greatest. I mean on the Mount Rushmore. There's only one other guy that's automatic with him and that's Nicholas and I guess that's right. Calmer Trevino you can do whatever you want but tiger. Does it have to do Jack. Yeah I don't think he I'm not optimistic. Whatever he does is house money he loves her. Vero because it's the first course. He played where he was against the pros but he doesn't score well. Well they're no he's not only was he plus eleven on the weekend that included an eagle. So you really gotta do something. His putts were wildly offline by feed waffling. But what? It's chilly there. It's not going to be chilly and Augusta. Augusta's what he's asking for its Augusta so I'm not discouraged. I'm not I'm not all right but you've got carried away. The last couple of not discouraged do you applaud nat McGowan's candor during his halftime interview. You have to fill this discussion because you don't want to watch this junk. I watched Matt mcglone of the New York. Xfl team was terrible in the first half and he told Dinero seaney walking off the field that you know it was the coaches fault. Essentially didn't use those words. Diana talk to the coach. Who said what does this. Do you need to do on offense to get something going here? Gave Land at halftime. What do you need to change about the Games? I believe this is a lot going on right. Now there's an awful lot of things we want to fix it. Kevin Gilbride Tony. Right and Kevin. Gilbride said do needs to play better. Who Gotten this so you know how much you liked? Joel Embiid yes. That's how much I now like Matt. Mcglone oh glowing glowing John Fat. May He blamed the game plan. And maybe the game plan was terrible but he was terrible here look. I watched a lot of this. The XFL has a bunch of things that the NFL or to adopt immediately including sideline interviews during the game. He was honest. I thought he was terrible as a quarterback but he was honest in this. They should adopt that. They should adopt the transparency of the replay. The extra point rules the kickoff rules. I'm bight away the defenders who won that game in Carbondale Jones. Look good again. Tcu Defenders say this real quickly. You know how you don't watch the NHL you don't watch MMA. Don't watch soccer. Who Don't want you to be soreness. Even 'cause I for the tendency was up nine percent which is good enough female. Let's take one last night but still dot Com Stephen a Smith right that the celebrity all star game was rigged against him. Why Cam sure hope it was early. Vote off could the rate be ready to offer big money to Tom Brady? I'm so tired of this. The raiders the Tom Brady going there. So you Stephen as so be rigged for you. Five double-digits that's fifty seventh birthday Michael Jordan in a strange way Michael Jordan seems to have disappeared from the NBA even though he owns the Charlotte Hornets. They're a bad team in Jordan has not made them any better. Kevin Garnett recently told the Chicago Tribune that the Chicago Bulls have failed to win free agents lately because of the allegedly shabby way they treated Jordan at the end of his career but hardly anybody in the NBA. Now even remembers watching Jordan play. Michael Jordan lived his life in public. For what thirty years I mean. Now he wants to stay off the stage either light people are gonNA resent that. I hope they don't because I wish him well. Happy Birthday Happy Anniversary David Robinson. On This Day twenty six years ago you recorded the fourth quadruple double in NBA history. Thirty four points. Ten Rebounds Tennessee's ten blocks. They didn't start counting blocks and steals until Nineteen seventy-three so that eliminates Oscar Robertson Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell Ten blocks astonishing Alvin Robertson of the Spurs got by getting ten steals but nate Thurman came allies. One God with ten plus blocks. Wow Tony I mean that's amazing and I thank you for the history. Lesson and Nate Thurman played most of those years before seventy three when they kept blocks right. Yes he did yes. He did happy trails to Stephen. A SMITH CELEBRITY ALL STAR team. Not only did Steven get technical foul in this game. But his team went down meekly to wilburns apparent Juggernaut by fifteen points. And we'll do not even have an assistant coach. We'll bounce number one play was common. I mean that with a Capital C. Not Common Sense. Anybody can do it. We'll did not light up a victory cigar like read our back which surely you are ecstatic that you won game and defended the honor of your city. Yeah thanks a common famous those in hold on. I guess should've played. Jose Andrey isn't bad. Plenty more my apologies to them. It was a great time Tony. You should've been there courtside. But you know you New Yorkers you ran away you went the other way. You don't WanNa hear anything for a year. I think bad bunny and I have beef. I'm not sure. Big Finish Larry Fitzgerald Senior reports. That the raiders plan to offer. Tom Brown to your deal. Six million seventy cents. Larry Fits senior fits. He's working still you and I do. What show monkeys? Yeah Yeah Milton Gordon till CBS sports. He thinks Philip rivers will end up on the Indianapolis Colts. Is that a good fit. Frank Reich was his offensive coordinator and quarterback coach at one time by tells the Atlantic. He wasn't always ready for games last year. Spent the first few innings. Loosening up your thoughts. Hobby was ten percent more his ability. Oh my God. He will cash in if you've got. Mvp Kyrie Irving was elected the vice president of the NBA players. Those joy at the last one I was stated number three Kansas tonight trap game. Jr's yeah but they'll win before they get to number one time better nets time. Tony Kornheiser Mike. Robots same time tomorrow its final all star weekend shut off the Kansas Parker the tree.

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Al Attles, the Hall of Fame & Steve Kerr

Warriors Off-Court

20:58 min | 1 year ago

Al Attles, the Hall of Fame & Steve Kerr

"Hi i'm susan schlesser and i'd like to invite you to listen to my podcast as plus. It's a fun look at the oakland. A.'s and you can hear the personal side of many of the as players coaches and team officials plus analysis every week on as plus and welcome to this week's edition of warriors off. I'm ron craig. Chick staff writer at the chronicle filling in for connor letourneau are beat writer today. I'll be joined by bruce. Jenkins ends chronicle columnist. We'll discuss out adults and his impending induction into the hall of fame also reflecting a bit on adults impact on the warriors and turning to steve kerr and the challenges facing him again this season and we'll talk about all that right after this this week on not your century the seventies marshon probes patty hearst squeaky fromm and the golden dragon massacre not your century. It's it's like history class but fun. Wherever you get your podcasts welcome back to this week's edition of warriors off court for this is ron craig chick filling in for beat writer connor letourneau soon to return from his sabbatical and i'm here with chronicle sports columnists bruce jenkins bruce. Thanks for joining us absolutely and today we're gonna talk about als and his impending induction into the basketball hall of fame and use that that sort of launching point to talk about all matters hall of fame and eventually include a discussion of steve kerr and the coaching challenges ahead for him bruce. I know you've written a lot about als as i've written a little bit over the years as well very cool distinctive character in bay area sports history <hes> your thoughts on him going into the naismith hall of fame on friday yeah well a lot of it has to do with longevity and that sounds kind of boring but i mean this guy's been with the same organization since one thousand nine hundred sixty when you talk about our back in jerry west and these guys with associations with teamer tommy heinsohn. Nobody comes close to attles which is amazing because he's been a player. He's been in a coach. He was a player coach at the same time. <hes> he was an administrator. He helped run the club he even had an ownership stake for a while and then he became sort of an ambassador but he's always been you know this intangibly dressed man representing the team in the highest way and and and really as they review his career he obviously it wasn't oscar robertson and jerry west <hes> but he might have been the best defensive guard in the league. I mean casey. Jones got all the publicity because he with the celtics but when you hear people talk about adults and and how incredibly uncomfortable he made life for everybody including oscar <hes> you know that's something he could always hang head on. He was one of the toughest guys in the league. Mid the thomas sherry and nate thurman have raved about don't really don't make al angry if you can help. Anybody nicknamed the destroyer right yeah. I'm gonna void that he was a he was a very precise ice. <hes> boxer he was a finisher and he didn't really start anything but boy. If something broke out you wanted to get well away from him and he could score a little bit too he did. He couldn't shoot from the outside died but he was great driving to the hoop putting up little floaters. He had a couple of thirty point games. I looked up in his career and of course he had the eight for eight when wilt got one hundred and nobody remembered it but he always said we combine for one hundred and <hes> it all adds up to you know the hall of fame i think i don't can't imagine a single dissenter. Well i mean when you take the totality of his career in the n._b._a. As you said and the various roles he filled with the warriors including sort of punctuated by the fact that he coached them to their what had been their only title in their west coast history up until this recent run <hes> and that's seventy five team obviously holds a a very special place in bay area floor. What do you remember about him. <hes> i mean i was early in your career. I realized but <hes> and he had a very big impact on that team winning. Oh yeah yeah i mean <hes> the mid seventy s everybody thought they belong to the celtics with havlicek dave cowans and jo jo white and they want it in seventy four and seventy six and it was a big shocker when they lost washington ashington in the seventy five eastern finals and the warriors had a tooth and nail battle with the chicago bulls with sloan and van leer in bob and chet walker you know just great stuff and and then you finally get this great confrontation. I remember working on the chronicle desk. At that time i had really just started there and <hes> they had the two games here were transferred from welcome to the cow palace. Believe it or not the book. The ice follies which at that time was a very big deal. Apparently they weren't expecting and they couldn't get out of it. I mean of of all things that they couldn't play in oakland now. They're back to the roots and san francisco and i just remember on a personal note. They try to decide between me and larry students to go out and join arts bander and and right the sidebar and they took larry. I was really pissed. I would've sent eugene but i i it was great fun following that team and you know one thing adults did his his sense of democracy in in running. A team was was very unusual and then and really now as well. I mean he played ten eleven guys right right to the end. Guys like steve bracy charles dudley. Were getting minutes on that team. Tenth eleventh is and it didn't rick perry talks about <hes> being yanked out out of game seven against chicago right because he was cold he couldn't even missing every in the third quarter in the fourth quarter starts these still in there finally did get in hit a few shots but i mean you. Ah the warriors are always coming at you extremely fresh you know everybody was rationed all over you an unbelievable energy charles johnson and and you know mullins and burien in derrick clifford ray phil smith and keith wilkes. I mean that to phenomenal rookie so it was really really special. I think holds up over time what people talk a lot about the the sweep of the bullets in the finals but as you point out they beat an excellent bull's team in the western conference finals eighty-three seventy-nine yeah in game seven the reason i remember that if if i can have a personal aside is i was only nine quite ten years old in chicago. An enormous bulls fan. Yeah norman van leer jerry sloan chet walker bob love too bad. They had bowl wrinkle awesome. Yeah i mean really and bobby weiss coming off the bench and it was a fabulous team yeah and the reason i remember that as a member this is this is an era when the games were on t._v. Right so name seven of the western the conference finals was starting at nine thirty ten o'clock chicago time and i used to sneak radio in my bed and listen and my dad caught onto that and so i could do yeah because it was a schoolmate probably the way i found out the score was i woke up the next morning and my dad had taped a piece of paper to my bedroom door that said sorry warriors eighty-three three bullshit. Oh my goodness it just kind of funny an era now where we find all the scores on our phone instantaneously. That's how i learned that you can see orlando playing detroit right any time but it really was a fabulous series against a great bull's team and then that propelled them opposite a four-game sweep which i don't think adults saw the well. I'm on the last in the last game. They're down three. Oh they're getting killed by berry and they're trying to do anything and mike was more than willing to play the guy and he's elbow when rick and and pushing them around he finds like climbed on his back. Unbelievably brazen is that all adults just said well you know he came out to they. Simply kill mike reardon and it's a good thing west until it was an enormous man killing one of the few guys who could ever deal with als <hes> got in between him but it it was gonna be really bad because that's the beauty of adults and that's why the players loved him he didn't do that. That wasn't was definitely not his way but it's interesting with the title on the line he felt it important enough that they were doing that to berry you know if both get kicked out they lose reardon and we lose berry and he was just wasn't hearing of that and he was he was <hes> joe roberts coach the team the rest of the way african american coaches by the way casey on the other side also which in those days was very unusual just kind of sat image of adults one championship they went. He's in the locker this whole his induction sparta conversation earlier that you and i were having about other warriors in the hall of fame in obviously pretty distinguished list of wilt chamberlain rick perry nate thurmond chris mullin mitch richmond you obviously had a long stretch and sacramento as well but but started with the warriors is that the the fair and full roster or there are other players. You think maybe deserve it. And what do you think about the current you know run iran in the hamptons five and who eventually will be enshrined. I think when richmond got ended really came down to tim hardaway and tim has been pretty vocal about not being in. I think think he thinks a lot of it has has to do with he made some pretty strong comments <hes> making it clear that he didn't like gay people at all and we didn't want them to be any part of his life <hes> and <hes> that was that was a big mistake which later admitted to <hes> you know since then he's definitely come around. He's done an awful lot of things for lesbian and gay community and he's you know he's seen the light he's seen what what the real picture as he grew up with a certain amount of ignorance to that and carry it into his pro career but as a player very either so it's a kind of fifty fifty for me. I'm not sure i would vote for tim. <hes> you know for one thing he he was outshine on that team by by hardaway and and richmond march march alone us at some point seven points <hes> hell of a player you know almost invented the crossover was one of the first to do it and <hes> he i i. I just love he'd always go into madison square garden where you have to shine just be phenomenal now. He was a great great player but at the same time i i don't think he's an automatic <hes> in terms of the current <hes> current team. We were talking about this earlier. <hes> is it possible that all the hamptons five could go in. I think curry's he's obviously gonna go in. I think clay's going to go into two. He's his his numbers in and achievements are going to be well remembered and dream on green is such an influential blair <hes> that i think he's got a really good chance durant that goes without without saying a igwe. Dolla is is a little bit dicey <hes>. He's obviously really really influential comes up big in the playoffs. He's a leader <hes> but only just one all star appearance <music> <hes> he's only really kind of in the main man on his team. Maybe once or twice with philly and <hes> you know i. I wouldn't be upset if he got him but i don't think he will at least not right away. Yeah it's kind of interesting those three i think you're right or automatics curry durant and clay and then draymond sort of invites the discussion about hey it's about more than scoring. You're right <hes> <hes> and the fact that they're on this dynasty a team that one yeah that makes it makes a massive difference. I mean i i personally wouldn't vote for dollar just because i don't think i i mean he. He's instrumental in this dynasty in this run but the hall of fame is supposed to be in my mind about the the top of the top and i'm not sure he reaches that level but i also wouldn't be upset if you got in. I mean it's it's understandable because he really did sort of complete that starting lineup with again like dream on the things that often go unappreciated yeah defense in passing and when you think about the fact that bernard king waited years to get in the then you you wouldn't be so upset about ecuador and making it i mean bernard king was one of the greatest scores elite has ever seen very distinctive. <hes> absolutely unstoppable larry bird was terrified of him and he did it year after year even after serious knee surgery and he he he waited a long time to get in so the standards are pretty high and there's no as we've learned from all the controversy about baseball. There's no perfect way to handle this. There really is i mean. Football has a a committee didn't meet the weekend and the super bowl baseball as we all know you know bruce and i are both voters and that's it's become a larger than life process unfortunately and very complicated by the steroids situation so basketball seems to get it right most of the time yeah and i think it would all is certainly right on the edge there and probably will my guess is eventually would get in given the team's success fasten and i think i'm fine with that. It's not over for him. You never know what he may have in store <hes> and this all leads the adults induction and his history as the warriors coach sort of leads us to our our last topic today and steve kerr and he's you know face predictable criticism that criticism necessarily but maybe skepticism of his role and impact on this warriors dynasty given all the talent they've had but this year clearly will be a fresh challenge for for coach given durant's departure given klay thompson injury de ngelo russell now. L. has to be integrated. How different will this year be. Do you think for occur and how will he deal with the new dynamic. <hes> of this warriors team yeah well right off the bat for the first time since he took over the club. He's going to be without <hes> missing to really key elements. One is defense. I want you know clay is one of the best in the league durant when he wanted to was extremely good allah <hes> right now. They are really looking pretty weak defensively early especially if willie cauley stein doesn't turn into a rim-protector which he hasn't really been <hes> they hope for pascall but i mean it's really draymond. It's going to have more responsibility than he ever really. We needed or wanted. I think and the other is leadership. You know when you talk about igwe dolla shaun livingston david west he's had guys on the team that would come off the bench and not just play great but be really strong presence in the locker room because you know a lot of as we learned a lot of stuff happens in there and you need people to come down and meet people who have have the reputation and in the league to do that you know i don't think jordan pool is gonna step in and and help settle an argument between two guys and so he's missing the those two things right away and he's also really has a lot of questions about as rotation i mean he doesn't really have a backup point guard <hes> <hes> the small forward could be mckinney you know by default <hes> off a lot of questions area he i think he wants to get more out of looney but he likes looney to finish games. So maybe cauley stein starts the games. <hes> you know pool in pascal could be good. They might not and we'll see about diangelo russel. I mean this is a guy who i guess was the point guard in brooklyn but he's a score i guy who alexa just pretty much dominate the ball dry throw up his vollers three pointers and whether or not that meshes with curry i don't know so <hes> isn't a lot of challenges for current. I i got to think deep down he. He is going to enjoy this because you know he's got a reputation. It's just throw those guys out on the floor and i mean they almost want it with the toll team in the hospital last year. Curry shot gets in there still playing so <hes> i think he's i it's a big challenge for him and i'm sure he's talked to popovich about while they're over in china. I think his contributions bution get overlooked or dismissed or diminished. Maybe because it's hasn't been so much about strategy and next os although to me the style he brought brought to the warriors with the ball movement is just a joy to watch but to me his impact is really managing personalities and you mentioned leadership and you could have more different personalities analogies with draymond sort of combustible and staff you know leads by example but is not you know forceful at out at all incur has managed that really very very well and that's anybody dealt with them knows. He's such a good people person. He's so smart. He's got that unique ability to be the smartest person in the room and not make you feel that way right and i think that translates to how we deal with the players and they respect him right off the bat because of his success as a player and then they see how he he manages people and how he treats people and how well he communicates and that's that's a big factor in the warriors success in my mind yeah holding players attention over a long period of time as a real challenge in the n._b._a. N._b._a. absolutely and if you're a guy like stan gun you like this and he kind of goes crazier p._j. Carlesimo eventually just don't wanna hear that anymore you know and kerr. Are you know he'd played for phil jackson. Popovich two of the greatest ever he has history with <hes> lute olson and he's been around so many great coaches and he has that way of his voice always seems relevant. I'm sure at times you know everybody's gonna get upset but he has that way of keeping players attention which is really really important and especially three this year since they're kind of in the middle of the pack until further notice seems like one of his biggest challenges will be managing minutes and you mentioned the rotation and one thing he's done remarkably well is is pace his big players staff and clay and durant and dream on and make sure they don't play forty two minutes. It's in early december game as much as they want to win. Because it's about being fresh for the playoffs you know. He had some luxury there because he knew they were going to be a one one or two seat. At at worst this year. That's going to be different with with klay injured and durant gone. It's going to be awfully tempting in december with they're seven and six and a game they think they can win to play curry and draymond forty minutes but kerr has always steadfastly stood did against that given the the long view which is really smart and has obviously worked this year different dynamic. How do you think that yeah and it's gonna be interesting because you know curry and and dream aunt do not want this dynasty or whatever you wanna call it to end and they've both spent their whole lives is underdogs. Curie was a little little guy from a wealthy family and draymond raymond was a chubby guy who couldn't play and they still carry that carried out their entire careers clay that way to washington state and who was he going to get drafted by whoever whoever you know and <hes> not not a great reputation which of course he erased but they they've especially curry and draymond going to be the guys early on and these guys don't. They don't wanna let they don't wanna pull a kawai leonard to sit out every game they wanna. They wanna show that this team is still the warriors man and and they're going to get to the playoffs. We'll get klay back and it's going to be good and and kerr is going to have to balance that against not wearing out early and the other question to me that that seems fascinating is the the whole notion of their offensive style as we talked about. They moved the boss. Oh well and ball movement player movement stephan klay are probably two of the best and moving without the ball and getting open but the ngelo russell and you kinda referenced. He's a he's dominates the ball he's he's a very good player but it's a lot of pick and rolls yeah lot of the kind of offense that kerr has avoided <hes> and it seems incurs going to have to adapt and will i mean he's he's smart enough to know he can't play the same way all the time i think while not losing that identity and and that's going to be an interesting kind of balance to strike. What do you see that really is and you know it's up to russell. I think in some to some degree to buy into what kerr wants them to do. I i really think you know russel's night not a dummy. I mean there's there's your delay dangelo russell's in your kemba walker steph curry. I mean this guy is he's the man everybody knows that in the league and he's he's going to be the guy if anybody is going to dominate the baltic the big shot it's going to be him and it's going to be klay when he comes back and i just think russell has to show show <hes> his ability while while not trying to you know be do too much and dominate the block is that this isn't going to work and i ah with the with the so-called hamptons fi when they were all in flow you had five guys thinking the same way all looking for the extra pass you know the the quick lob pass when you weren't expecting it for the dunkin just beautiful basketball and a lot of that's gone missing <hes> you know and they had good passing from the center position. Whether it was dream honor bogut or zaza you know had guys <hes> who who who could function in that in that offense and i don't know if always steiner's that guy i mean they you know they they soured on him in sacramento and he's got something to prove roof too but just really all over the floor. There's things that you look at. That could be pothole. Slow seems like a lot. A lot really falls on your mind. I mean you mentioned but i mean he's the best passive really on steam right now. One of the few passers steps good but steps karadic shooting shooter yeah. It should be doing yeah so it'll be interesting to see how that plays out well. Thanks thanks very much for joining us. On this edition of warriors off court appreciate the input and we'll be back. Thanks for listening to worse off court and we'll be back next week where is of course part of the san francisco chronicle podcast network. Audrey cooper is the editor in chief. If you like the show we'd love of it. 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Hour 2: Back In My Day

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Hour 2: Back In My Day

"The Dan Le Batard, Woodstock Gotcha podcast is brought to you by capital on capitol. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees or minimums that can be opened in five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet Capital One and a member FDIC? Bob Ryan knows more about basketball than just about anyone. I know. So I want to ask him a bunch of basketball questions. Let's begin with Jokic. Can you explain to me, Bob? And thank you for joining us as always can you explain to me, please. Why isn't a bigger star? I guess it's the poor. I guess it's the location. I guess it's the time zone. I guess the St. your lack thereof is franchise. And I guess it's ignorance on the part of the commentators who are infatuated with certain people would never get off the the podium. You know, I'm tired of talking about LeBron tired of talking about Westbrook. I couldn't say I'm tired of talking about Durant because he's spectacular. But you see where I'm going with this. He needs a better of forum or an platform. Maybe these playoffs if they can get through this series, and then get to the conference finals where they'll be showcased against these are the rockets. Or the warriors will be his opportunity for people to see how spectacular he is. What about style of playing because I haven't seen a whole lot of of people dominate games with that style. Where have you know, he's a he's a wonderful combination of people when I was ignorant about him a going into this season. And I was contacted earlier in the last fall by Denver writer. I've sorry I can't remember who who's doing a piece on passing centers and asked me about my opinion of jokey. And I said, I really don't have one. I haven't seen it. And he said, well, you should because this guy is a great passer. So now this year, I pay attention to them. And I believe he's the best passing center in the NBA since Bill Walton, and and he may even be on the verge of surpassing Bill with the variety of passes that he possesses and that is a high high praise for any center to have a comparison to the passing ability. Of of Bill Walton, you'll have enraged. You have enraged Mike Ryan here. Bob, the Mike. Ryan cannot believe you're slander of yet. Another example of American myopia. We are disrespecting the great name of our vita bonus. Oh, wait a minute. Take take I love. I am the regional wait a minute not only to regional. I may be the national president of our visa bonus fan club in as much as I love visa bonus. He's not all around passer. This kid is. But I I am. Oh, listen, read me, I am. I have talked at length about the one of the great pivot exhibitions I ever seen. Olympic throw your resume. I don't wanna make it quite clear, then I'm very hip to IV this abo-. And his son by the one I like very much put it on the poll is Bob Ryan, very hip to our visa bone. Bob. How right are the rockets to be making all this about officiating and how they're getting wrong that couldn't be more wrong. I'm so tired of the rockets. I pray. We get them out of our sights. I can't believe that Mike. Danton who I always liked is is that the head of this. This is not an annoying team that wrong there. They have a man who has a great skill at a drawing fouls show more fleet. Those in the league in the last several years as you all know, he has a great knack for for getting fat on threes. He's been found on threes. More than anyone in any team in the league. He lost his feet forward. Not only does he know how to contact you. He falls down. I won't say it's a flop it's technique as he did on that play in question on Sunday. And he did not deserve the call. And I'm so glad it was upheld. I take I admired his all around that do what he does. But but I he's not fund. Watch general terms, and they have no beef here. The guy got a guy that gets it a free throw line should up. Ball Pierce said the Celtics series is over Bobby agree. What is now I'm wondering, I think Paul someone got into the way you're gonna get yourself separated. From the other analysts is to save outrageously stupid things. And and I mean, come on. No I've seen too many things over the years. Great. They won the first game. Thank you. It's called a series. That would be spelled S E R ES. It's a succession of games and the history teaches us that the dynamics of the playoffs never change that. There's a judgment and is good gays and bit days. No. It was a good start. That's all a good start. Celtic fan should feel good. And I thought Brad Stevens hit it right on the head afterwards. And he said, we know we we will have to be great Tuesday night. And we know that and it was the right thing to say. Bob. I did not see in these playoffs. More surprising result than that one. And I didn't think there was a coaching strategy that could do that to onto to combo. I didn't think they would succeed to that extent. Of course, not now last year, we call now of he's better this year. But last year they had a reasonable degree of success. They beat Milwaukee and seven, and they didn't know Horford Horford. Look, I reminded of when Nate Thurman was in his prime and someone wrote that when he came out to play against comedian Bill Jabbar. He brought his pro tractor and his in his, you know, and there's always equipment is mental equipment to cut off angles and do stuff Al Horford may be the modern Nate Thurmond against dented the Colombo, but he alone can't do it. They had a great team effort. I expect the entered the Colombo to answer with a big game on Tuesday. But the Celtics are capable what we're seeing is what they are. Now who we thought they were they weren't all year. But they started to find themselves at the end of the year, you can talk. If you wanna talk about why it was and what? Fine. But the fact is that the goal of every team in every sport is to be playing your best at the opportune moment when the playoffs come in. As it's exactly what they are doing both ends of the floor. I don't want to talk about the lies. I wanna talk about your tweets. You have some splitting. Uh-huh. He's my favorite follow on Twitter at glow. Bob, Bryan or thirty nine eighty six. Roger Fleming case twenty Mariners. No need to elaborate elaborate Bob elaborate. I am a notorious put her followers of my. No, I am the world's worst of practitioner of the art. I hate that little keyboard. I have I always forget that auto check is about the misspelled a word that I've spelled correctly. And I and I am impatient. I'm trying to be so smart and clever and show the world outsmart them, and I send out a tweet with a dumped the date of four thirty nine eighty six. I went the right for twenty nine. Simple. It's just a simple. I'm the world's worst. Tweeter in terms of technique. The best in terms of content. They'll equa Bob Brian blessed be father for I have sinned. It is lots of times. It's by last confession. I could fast. I call tiger. A Jag just another guy. I could fess. I set it. It was preposterous that think he'd win another major. But that's what's great about sport. You never know. I've kind of find away to separate myself on the masses, by the way, I was going to apologize for having tiger. And of course, I chose the Catholic way of that. That's the way you go to confession. If people out there don't know. That's the way you start bus be have since it's been two months or two years or five years. My last confession. And then you get your sin. So I did it in that manner. You know, that would be recognizable to all Catholics. So, you know, whether they're practicing or lapsed or whatever, okay, then and the second part was my my my. Endless preaching on my soapbox about sport. And how sports different in than other areas of human leisure activity. And the great thing about sport is that it's unpredictable and that Mary often the things we think we know we don't know. And until they up all up or kick it off or that pucker play that game. You know, we don't know what's going to happen. I was just trying to make that point. Because we've got a lot of tweets to get to if you can go Radha tat tat here. Twenty seconds because we got a lot more to get to Gotcha one. If a March, I someone had told you that on April twenty eighth at Fenway. One pitcher will be Forno with a one point five three and the other would be oh and formed with a seven point four three and that Tyler glass GATT would be the former and Chris sale would be the ladder. The first of all that was auto, correct? That messed up my spelling of glass. No. So I had to apologize for that. But anyway, it's simple. I mean, that's what happens Sunday I happen to be in the ballpark doesn't the number per se. Has not wanna not wanna start and still is winless for the season and glass was off to a great start. I mean, no one would have believed that Chris sale would be winless on April twenty eight. That's what I was trying to prove clear, the spectator ballparks ever was the upper deck at tiger stadium off stand on that. Now, I must say that when I say that I never got the Causley field or Forbes field, and maybe they were comparable. But the ones that I know I categorically telling you that the you'll never have a better seat than than the upper deck at tiger stadium to see a baseball game. And I missed that ballpark. It's my favorite park of all time. I would sat loan the tiger stadium upper deck. Overlooking first base, and I could hear the voices of the first base coach and the base runner now that that is proximity to the action. That's exactly correct. And you know, the other thing I didn't talk talk to people who were broadcast on the broadcast booth with some of the broadcasters with that was so close behind play. They actually were gloves to protect themselves from foul balls. Bob. It's Billy have you ever said the instrument section of Moreland park. No. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Billy. No, no. You can't hear something the best until you've sat in that section. Okay. Anymore? Tweets. Are we done here on more on tiger stadium? You obviously we're never in tiger stadium. New stadiums. Have no polls here stadium put you closer than any stadia built after the twenties that correct architecture the of the day with pole sitter were bad seats behind posts. But the good seats in front of the polls when we give a view there's no ballpark. That's been built, you know, since the twenty cents the tiger stadium and Fenway, and all this that that gives you that kind of proximity because the way the ballparks are without polls. You cannot have it. You can't do it. You can't Kate that it'll never be weap- accounted again baba was great catching up with you. Thank you for making the time hall of Famer you welcome guys. Thank you. Time to justify our in reasonable salaries. Again, we'll put it on the poll when the show started today. Did you think there would be a four minute obsession with tiger stadium stugatz here for one eight hundred flowers after a childhood full of unsuccessful attempts to pull the wool over? Mom's is do you really think he won't be able to tell the difference between a last-minute mother's day gift and something truly thoughtful there's mother's day. Don't settle for anything less than the biggest and brightest bouquets from one eight hundred flowers dot com right now. One eight hundred flowers has great deals for mom like twenty four sorted roses for just twenty four dollars. That's only a dollar Perot's with a bright and beautiful mix of orange yellow and pink blooms. 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I have all of them because I'm the voice of reason reason one gyco agents could help you save on more than car insurance reason to they can help tell your policy to fit your needs reason three their local and for their local. Yes, I already said that but still good reason. And if you're looking for more ways to save your local gyco agent could help with more than just your auto insurance. Stop by give them a call today. They're here to help donlevatar. Greg. Cody of the Miami Herald has announced that we are the. Biggest and best radio show in America on Tuesdays. Stugatz. You're welcome. These Libertador show with his two guys on ESPN radio, Greg Cote. He's back in my day is going to be in about ten minutes. Can you please play a little more of that song? Because I don't think I've ever seen gear most shake his shoulders to a song. And I'm stunned that this is the stall the song that did it Ghirma was dancing in his seat. And he's ashamed of it. I love that song. I realized I was doing it when you realize that was doing it. And I don't know it came up came over me because I'm not much of a dancer. About the song. It just at the right time. I guess it made me move a little I think anytime, and we'll make you movement. This song is in forty year old virgin, this is what Steve Carl sings at one point doesn't really have anything to do with where you're talking about. This is word up by cameo, by the way, does it. Hold up. Put it up on the pole does word up by cameo. Hold up. Because I think the answer is. Yes, not just because gear shoulders were swinging. I feel like we all wanted to swing our shoulder. Not like grandma just kind of like dancing. Very underrated. Only hit. No, it's not the only single life as well is cameo with a or as a group. Okay. I didn't even know. I thought of cameo is a person just this guy. Learn. That's correct. Speaking of music, we need to get to this fifty cent feud again back in my day. We'll be in ten minutes. But the headline from Esquire magazine is fifty cents feuding with a movie producer and a reality TV star. And here are all the lurid. Details I'm not going to read the whole thing. I'm just going to tell you that what Bob Ryan said about spellcheck makes an appearance because evidently this the this producer was apologizing profusely to fifty cents, but his spellcheck kept calling fifty fifty F O F T Y and so fifty release those tweets of him apologizing and calling him Fathi. But in one of the most gangster commercial moves ever, then sold about three hundred thousand dollars of five t shirts just based on shaming this dude that. I mean, it's unbelievable. And and then and then just after posting a photo of himself holding the guy is a baby and get my money by Monday, Monday or died. Try is is and this is what he does though. So he promised the dude that he would stop harassing him and shaming him in public. If he got his money. And so what he texted the dude was you made this bleep in mess when the money hits the accounts everything comes down. And then the next thing you see is a tweet from fifty cents. I got my money. So I have no problem anymore with Randall Emmett. In fact, I'm wishing him and his family a very blessed day, positive vibes. Guys, L O L. He got his million dollars plus three hundred thousand dollars because he was calling him Fathi. Feuds with a lot of people and he's great at it. But you don't want you do not want those problems because I can't think of anybody in celebrity I wanna feud with less Stu gods. Was nominating. Stephen a Smith before. They don't care. Stephen, hey, dozen either foul. I okay, put it on the poll who you wanna feud with less, Stephen a Smith or fifty cents. Let's check out here. Some sound though that I wanted to get to. I was confused. I thought that for sure decay Metcalf was going to be a first round pick just based on how he dominated the combine like hit his I think his speed at that size was the single most shocking thing that the combine produce because you look so good in a uniform. The sound is courtesy of Seahawks Twitter, Gordon, play it. Decay. John Steiner with. But he do. We're gonna make you see hopper here. Okay. Congratulations. Got you gotta help me out in the weight room a little little slow in that area. Okay. Yeah. All right. Look forward to this brother. Okay. Is coach Carol? Decay. Decayed is Pete Carroll. I'm doing really good. Who can't we'll both cried together? It's pretty cool. Now, you're gonna make fun of him. Sure, you're gonna I got goosebumps ban. I was surprised by the reaction. But it's wonderful seemed a little strong now donlevatar. Do you mind cleaning that up and tearing up papers and stuff when we're not on the air. Stugatz. I did it without really thinking. It was far from the Mike didn't think it pick it up as a kid. I used to make the sound of ripping paper I used to delight my friends with that. They'll say you can go like that. These live at our show with two guys on ESPN radio. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Guests on the Dan Le Batard show appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Here's your sports that are update NBA playoffs. Seventy Sixers beat the raptors ninety four to eighty nine the split the series at a game apiece and the nuggets beat the blazers one Twenty-one one thirteen to start their series. Laser's nuggets ma'am game twos. Tonight, Celtics at bucks rockets at warriors is they up rockets. Warriors danna. Yes. No is a long evening, my friend. You gotta watch that game. Like, it's the final. You get a nap there in the Celtic game. Going to need a little nap. What are you coming being Bobby Bowden here? I need I need naps during the day. Oh at this point of upstate enough for ten thirty tip. And I will tonight I'm going to have the find an hour or two to nap at some point today. I mean, we're getting old and ten thirty means ten fifty the game's going into one him. It's crazy. That's what's your ideal. Naptime? Oh, wow. I like a good five o'clock now. But I you know, I can't do those anymore because of because of the kids. Yeah. No, more of a three thirty guy. Five o'clock. The whole day starts over again for me. How long you nap for too long too long? Then you're tired tired and can't go to bed. I like a good thirty seven minute. Now. This is science forty is actually the optimum now. So you're right on the Mark with a little under there. Dan. I mean, really you don't gain you really don't have when you go out and paint the town red we go back in my day to get. Forgets that there's a radio show to do. And so to ask questions about things I'm not interested in because he just wants to. 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He's back in my day. Now. Treat them memory lane. Here's your guy Rick could he with back in my day. What we call progress or technology has left a surprising amount of stuff, largely alone dinner forks, bowling ball's, toothbrushes books from bones, not a lot of evolution there. Heck, even the train flying along the tracks is basically an essentially what it was one hundred years ago, but the most dramatic change in any one product has to be what we call the phone for those of my generation. The iconic phone was probably an avocado green rectangle of plastic hanging on your kitchen wall. The rotary dial had numbers that rotated back so lowly heaven forbid you making an emergency call and when making any call you were tethered your kitchen by the umbilical of an impossibly tangled court predating that phone back when Greg Cody was a pup there were still party lines, which I mean you and several others were sharing a single phone line and going through a switchboard to place a call. A majority of phone uses in the mid twentieth century were on party lines which carried a billing discount over individuals service. Now, the idea of dialing a telephone while having to stand in one spot to do it as antique as a concept of party lines of the idea. Phone booths wants dotted street corners all over the country because well if you weren't at home and you needed to make a call. It was all you had you dropped a coin right into the slot. Now, we carry our phones with us everywhere. Slim little pocket sized rectangles that we are addicted to like crack, oh my God. I left my phone at home my wife blurted Sunday morning after we'd left for breakfast. Of course, a u-turn ensued. You can't even throw a decent pool. Party anymore. Shovel buddy into the deep end because you know, he has his own mighty smart cracking hand or on his head. But these things primarily even phones. No, their everything the computers. They send texts play music download apps. Take pictures measuring being a professional photographer. The poor. Devalued photon toting around his long lens Nikon our cameras way four ounces, and we can instantly transmit the pictures anywhere we want. Of course, it's all excessive convenience, I resolved to quit the crack I'm gonna find the last place in America, still selling avocado green wall phone with rotary dials. And I'm gonna dial the same home number. I headed a kid growing up at fourteen forty in a Stephen King novel. The phone would be answered by my twelve year old self and not hang up screaming. I'm Greg Cody. And that's how it was back in my day. I did not believe that the show could possibly get older. Then talking about needing a net to watch a game tonight. But ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a longing for the land line. If I low sell high time for some ads that's tiger stadium talking to twenty holy bleep, man. This is not the way to keep this show relevant in this decade. Nansen landline? Donlevatar? Why are you so bad at this? Stugatz. I I can't answer that it's a good one though, I've been thinking about a lot VC's live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. Jorges Sodano is in on highly questionable. This week Stu guts is going to be on later this week and so- Saddana walks in yesterday, yours NBA work or something. I'm not sure why aren't playing. Yeah. I was just surprised neither the Lakers. The thing. That's God's has been trying to get off the ground here for about ten days. Every commercial break. He's talking about it. All look how excited Billy is Sodano. Got it yesterday. He got a blast of this yesterday. So go ahead, Stu gods? Finally, the floor is yours. Go ahead and get this topic off the ground that you have been muttering about for ten straight days. I am part of the stugotz army on this. I'm with him on this. Thank you. Joe? I think most people aren't because we've talked often about if certain athletes at a different name, would you view them differently at so we stumbled into this talking about movies, right? One of a few good men. One of the title of that movie was a couple of good guys. I mean think about think about that Dan for a second. There's so many ways you can go with a few good guys. It could be a mobster movie. They could be like a buddy cop kind of moving. There's so many different directions. You can go in that wasn't the one. That was funny. Is that I heard him talking about rocky. I thought was the funniest permutation chain. You mean Ricky? He changed the rocking. The rocky franchise to Ricky. He doesn't have the same bite. That's for sure. I I would give them. I'm not seeing Ricky z rocky. But I'm not being agreed. I'm not seeing Ricky a couple of good guys though. I'm in on that one. I'm definitely not seeing men in navy. The fifth cents. Yeah. The fifth sets I need one more sense. Sure because the fifth sense. It's just anyone of your sense. Right. Exactly. You're not going to see a movie about spell. Well, that was the topic that that's it. It's over you guys. Do you guys ever done? John petered out early. Overturn days you've been trying to get ninety seconds of content off the one if it was Thursday the twelfth. Oh. Yeah. Why why not right right seriously? But you're not gonna see Thursday. Thursday, the twelve. Captain marvin. Now, you gotta Cody. Sodano? It seems like a whole lot of people are getting tired of the what they think is the rockets whimpering nobody wants audits with their sports. But if I think I'd been wronged, and I had an audit that seemed to sort of prove it, I'm not sure I care how that looks. I want people to know that I've been wrong yet. Look, I told you this yesterday on highly Quechua I've done a bunch of their games this year. So I've had these conversations with these guys they do feel like they don't get the benefit of the doubt, they feel like they've created this life hack right with the way that they play basketball not aesthetically pleasing, but it works, right? So that's the thing when you're trying to beat a juggernaut like the warriors you've got to zig while everyone else is adding and they've kind of done that effectively at least to the point where they've pushed them to the brink. So I'm Michael Lewis was on Bill Simmons's podcast, and what Michael Lewis who when he writes about things sports or otherwise the author of money ball the big short. He takes complicated. Subject matter. And makes it very easy to digest. He said on Simmons's podcast that what happens in that league is the stars get so many calls from night tonight that they become expectant and entitled that they should get every call and in this series. There are bunch of stars. And so it's not just Houston. That's complaining about this. Steve Kerr pretended to flop into a reporter the other day and said it was a foul like they're they're both lobbying lobbying for call. This is a new Dan, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown. They spent their careers in post games doing the same thing. The only difference years. It's in a written report that Daryl Morey put together. And I think that's that's the other part of things that I think people don't like, it's you know, analytics is taking over sports. Just just play the games stepping six nerds way ready reports like mirrored 's. Because audits are what you use in discrimination lawsuits. Get on it. Unbecoming? Roll a ball me. And your point there when I said nerds doing reports. I mean, I'm I'm anti analytics everybody knows that. But James harden who leaves the league in most free throw attempts is arguing about not getting calls is that. Sorted. Alan Iverson Sodhi Kobe Bryant so did Michael Jordan soda, Dwayne Wade. I mean, all those guys did the same thing. We're just more focused on it. Because it again media's just different now, we've got everyone chiming in on social media. Do you think magic and bird settled things with audits? No, put it on the poll gear. Converts that'll things with audio. They settled things on a basketball court in French league, Indiana and a converse commercial. That's what they did men Cody is publicly anti knowledge anti learning anti analytic devoid such a weird stance or you to take I want I want to distill it all down in the NBA, points, rebounds, and assists. Those are the big three cents. That's all you need in baseball. Batting average home runs and RBI's. Simplify rubies rubies. Right. Simplify. Did we talk sports? We'll put it on the poll guy who calls RBI Rigby jackass or irredeemable jets. Totally divable Jiang. Awesome. But who does it love ruby? Come on everyone. You suck out the set the fun out of everything. I don't believe that the audience will side with the user of ribbing now. I bet you they will sue. Gotcha. You with the Rigby with the ribbon. And so you know, what the audience is was through this. He's up the Dan we'd be watching a show of Daryl. More more performing audits breath. Breath walking with a stack of papers. That was actually bouncing a ball guys. There were seven pounds that we're not called. Regularity. How can you be so anti knowledge how how can you be so publicly anti knowledge? Anti more information anti learning. Well, what does the value? Now, you know, how many seconds and minutes a guy spends dribbling in a game. What is the real value in that kind of arcane information? But Greg why are you just so anti information? Just overall is that a thing like overall on your life? No, not at all. Dan school. Not Greg Cody on the ESPN radio.

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Sep 18, 2020 - HOUR 1 - Voters Got The NBA MVP Award Right

The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard & Rob Parker

44:46 min | 4 months ago

Sep 18, 2020 - HOUR 1 - Voters Got The NBA MVP Award Right

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One I had the music ready and everything what music. It's a little national. What that line necessarily Victoria's secret. What we were ready was iron. Man and you know you just you just bailed. saw a bit salty. Excuse me today if you know if you since that are all say is. Happy Anniversary yesterday more two years of us. Doing this show full-time and today is distort our third year together. The odd couple on Fox sports radio. Trust me I didn't want to go to the dentist, but I had to get there and all good man. There's so much to talk about. Let's say it is rob as a guide. It's done this show sitting next to you for. The bulk of this two years I'm glad you went to the dentist. Hoping fixed, look. At and you hope they gave me mouthwash to. Exact. So what we got Gary Washburn National NBA writer for the Boston. Globe coming up at the bottom of the hour, and actually he does a job covering the whole league but great time to have you moron because of course, you had that shouting match in the Boston Celtics Locker Room after they went down Oh to yesterday the Miami Heat. Reportedly. Jaylen, Brown and Marcus smart had to be separated. Before they got into some fisticuffs or something. So great time to have Gary Washburn on and clear everything whitmore MVP voting right who would it was Lebron to be unanimous didn't he vote? We voted for Mellow Yup Yup Lebron still upset about that. So that would have been another notch on Lebron's belt so that it didn't happen right? That's right. Let's introduce. The crew we got DJ Alex Tyson Aka Alex Vegan I'm always excited when he's on the ones and twos on a funky flashback Friday let's see how deep he goes into the crates. We got Vince cates in for Super Producer Rob Wow. Yes. It's great job I know it's ridiculous I don't get it I the to rob's on his show y'all love a vacation. and. Then Hale second is Brian Finley on the updates the loquacious Brian Finley Mr of herbs. So listen for verbs in the updates. All right. Let's get right to the news of the day. Or certainly one of the big stories of the day. jaanus onto. Dick. Cuneo. Wins his second straight MVP award. And became. The third player along with Michael Jordan and Akeem Olajuwon to win MVP defensive player two year in the same season. Very impressive. Very. He's twenty five years old absolutely absolutely now the big deal. Is that a lot of people. Think that. Because they went out Yonder is bucks went out four one to the Miami. Heat in the second round of the playoffs and the one game that day one Janas has got hurt in the first quarter and only played eleven minutes. A lot of people are saying he didn't deserve it. They're saying Lebron should've Lebron James should have won this MVP award. Now I am an official voter I take my vote seriously and I voted for Jaanus and I have absolutely positively no regrets about voting for Yang onto the Kubo. Rag It folks listen to me. It is a regular season award. The ballots are Duda, the ballots Traxi do before they even started playing games in the bubble. So I don't care what happens in the play offs. Has No bearing on the award. Now, we'll say. Going forward right when you see a guy struggle. In the playoffs after winning MVP. Yeah. That could affect your vote for the next season. But for this season, it was about the I sixty five games or whatever it was that that each team played before the pandemic struck. And jaanus identical impo had better individuals statistics than Lebron better traditional stats, points, rebounds. Field goal percentage things like that better. He was a better defensive player as evidence buys defensive player of the year ward. He had better analytical stats. He had one of the greatest. Of all time. And his team without all the second star without an F. Davis, he led the Milwaukee Bucks to the best record in the league. Rob? What more can you ask? From a guy. When you're looking for the MVP case closed case closed I wrote a column for Deadspin. Chris Today. In stop it with the with the false narrative about that. He doesn't deserve it and compare them the Steve Nash and all this other stuff. It is ridiculous his you just said it his numbers whereas impressive. And Chris. He also won right. Brandon had the best record. They have an Anthony Davis and here's the other case against Laurent. Anthony Davis had better numbers than Lebron Chris other than the assist. He did last year without Anthony Davis the Lakers didn't even make the playoffs regardless of what the circumstances were and then with. Anthony. Davis got their Naveh chance to go to the finals. So you can make the case that Anthony Davis. was was an MVP or help Lebron and the Lakers get to where they are not stop with the false narrative. No, and it's not a lifetime achievement award. We don't care that this is year seventeen and that Lebron James doesn't get any extra credit for for this being being long in the tooth. He doesn't get the extra credit because it can get down at Denny's on breakfast. Older none of that stuff matters you know curve I we're not grading on a curve. The fact that Lebron is thirty five in his seventeen years nothing. Right means absolutely nothing. That's what a lot of people start their argument with right he's thirty five. Hey. I'll give you this best seventeenth season by a player in NBA his when they make up the award for that, we'll give it to. Right, and I'm not taking a an older away from Lebron Luke, Bryan had a tremendous year. He had a great year. Is had a better one. That's all there is to it and rob there. That's why it vote was eighty eighty five out of our believe one, hundred and one. Yes. First Place Votes Lebron Yanni's got eighty five out of one. Oh, one that'll route route could. Look. There are some very few outlook Lebron James is the best player in the world and he's the best player on the Lakers but there are some native argued Anthony. Davis is their MVP you just said it rob statistically he led the Lakers and everything but assists somebody texted me. A little while ago. that. They think is the best player on the Lakers. And they said look at the numbers, the stats and they said John, Stockton his rolling over in his grave. We know he's not there. But just facetiously. Saying, where's My MVP award? I love. This. RIGHT HE MVP exactly so WAYPOINT I'll give you the only time rob that let like they bring up to thirty five years old seventeen season that Lebron? That's in the argument the only time that could potentially enter the argument rob is if Lebron had say, say never won an MVP. Right, and a bunch of writers happened before where they give island which. Shouldn't be, but you know how it is that would enter into an argument and I wouldn't be that mad at it. If that's the case of guy clearly was the best all time great just had never for whatever reason won the MVP deserved it. Maybe a few years then you throw at in because he should have won at what else out of that? No I'll give you one other thing and I love to hear what people are thinking maybe maybe. If, they just announced the award Chris Right after the season I agree I'll start, and then this way you could get over it. You don't have to remember what alright what happened and just announce it, and then you go forward and then you. been with that, just just announce it they. Show, today should have they should have to get to the polio awards show right you got about four five days before the play. I and just have a nice awards show. Yeah and then. We can move forward. You're not gonNA, get the players there because obviously they're getting ready for the playoffs, but you can get to them in their home. Have them have an interview with them in their home? into. With the All Star Team Yeah make it nice because you're right. Here's the thing. Let's let's clear up this narrative. I WANNA list several MVP's rob who won the MVP award and then got ousted in either the first or second round of the playoffs because people act like John this is the only one. All right in twenty. Eighteen I'm sorry twenty seventeen. Russell Westbrook wins the MVP award. and gets beaten four one in the first round of the playoffs. Okay. In twenty. Oh, seven dark, Novitsky wins the MVP award gets upset by Golden State in the first round of the playoffs I believe goes day was the eighth seed that year was one. Two Thousand Two Tim Duncan wins the MVP award and gets ousted in the second round of the playoffs. Guess what? Four one just like honest four one we're talking about one of the greatest players ever live. Nineteen ninety nine. Call Molo wiz MVP award booted in the second round of the playoffs, and here's the kicker rob. Nineteen eighty-eight Michael Jordan was his first MVP award. Wiped out of the playoffs in the second round four one. Then you go. So stop with this like this is a jaanus thing. Yeah and one other thing Chris Eight, seven, seven, ninety, nine on. Fox told the number out the other thing is stop with this whole idea about. The media likes you or whatever they they. They vote for you and some secretive narrative the biggest. Exhibit Is Barry Bonds who wants seven VP's Chris seven demeanor did did he like the media, the media like Barry? Bonds Not at all not at all star starter great point. was undeniable. That's why he won the absolutely the media media are far less biased than players coaches. Is and it'd be honest Janas actually won the fan vote to so that that should settle it case closed now. I will say this last thing before we throw out the number for the callers rob a Lotta people say well, they should just wait till the playoffs and the play offs and the finals and give one MVP award don't even do regular season one what that would be the finals MVP right? That's why they. Hard. You're not going to give the playoff MVP award like let's say you did do that. You wait till after the finals get award. You're not giving it to a guy that went out in the second round. Even. If he was the best player, so let's say Denver Loses to the Lakers this round. And Yokich is great but they lose you could argue yoga should be the MVP YEP would he get it? No because they got beat. Jimmy. Butler IF THEY LOSE TO BOSTON, if they get to the finals and lose would anybody feel good if they gave Jimmy Butler Mvp Award No because the regular season, he didn't deserve it, and then if he was great in the playoffs, lead Miami to the finals. When nobody thought, they could get there but still lost it wouldn't feel right. So, it would always just beat the finals MVP would. That's why we have the regular season MVP, which we should keep. It totally made those two separate seasons yeah yeah, I seventy, seven, ninety, nine on Fox eight, seven, seven, nine, nine, six, sixty, three, sixty, nine, your turn to weigh in did Yaounde's deserve. The MVP award did Lebron get snubbed? 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We're brought to you by GEICO now did you know there right now guy goes offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car motorcycle RV policies that's. Fifty percent on what guy don't get already save his crazy folks. What are you waiting for saving extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh visit GEICO DOT COM to learn more as seven seventy, nine, nine on Fox simple question. The Yon- is I did it Kubo deserve the MVP award and Lebron James Get snubbed your turn away in Chris Real quick somebody called on the hotline. It's the Lebron Fam- boy he's he represents basically all the Lebron fans. Okay. What do you got? A couple of Fox? Sports? Radio. Sorry piped out. Where's your Babol? Thought so all could rob played seventy, seven ninety off Fox. Let's start with Luca in Baltimore. You're on the odd couple of Fox sports radio. WHAT'S UP LUCA What's up guys. Well first first congratulations two years. Great. Thank you. Thank you, brother. I can't wait for two and four and you know not to not to you know whoever mass right? No Okay I. WanNa Cram as we're about to say about that I am the biggest Lebron Fan. But I think it's time for the NBA to as rob said, and I think Chris agreed to this just. Move Up Jesse present this award and nothing more than this pandemic. made it clear. that. He needs to be done. I'm not saying they. You gotTA institute a different because that's that's got a mess some sort of. Go. Off The aim we knew regularly. and. Start everything MVP, it'd be great. It'd be great. One, hundred percent NBA yeah. Absolutely I don't know why they haven't done it to be honest. Not Get it. You can't do a grammy type show right? Because players are going to be practicing in narrow cities. Fine. Just have a show on TNT or whatever. Yeah you can make it a nice thing that everybody will want to watch ham in new? Jersey. On the couple of Fox sports radio. What's up him? WHAT'S UP FELLAS? CONGRATS on the two years Fast. Wasn't a ham that was foul man. But you know pretty soon, you guys going to be on. TV. And I'M GONNA be enjoying watching it. It's the best show. I think by far. Has Out listen on this subject Well, what I like to say is Lebron. He wasn't even the best player on his team all year regular season. This is a regular season award like the last caller said, and you guys said before, let's push it up and it saves the embarrassment for the NBA because like you honest should have won it already right and he gets eliminated and now. You have all these the cloud of smoke. Everybody coming to the. Yes. Yes. Time as I said I mean remember when Novitsky wanted and they won't buy gold stay up. It really puts a dare just look for the winter right? Right and even if you want like even the optics as you were GonNa say rob are bad but just for the player himself, it sort of he can employ. By Crowning achievement you should be able to enjoy it. Let the lake foreign over you people talk about this dude duty was defensive player of the year and MVP only three players have ever done it in league history. Yeah. Come on man and now all everybody's talking about all he got he got be Negra got job. More, concerned comment Oh, you're in the couple of Fox sports radio what's up mark. Yup Virginia. I'm sorry mark in Virginia going to say sitting here, going down the line the West. Coast now. There's another more I just missed. I grew up in the sixties but I didn't do that much anyway. Happy Anniversary guys. Thank you I also just a sidebar make a really quick. This is also my aunt fifty fifth anniversary my very first NFL game. My Dad took me to the game I carried the beer in a huge bag. I was nine years old under size but. We went to the game is they were playing the Dallas cowboys in nineteen sixty five. Let's see. Zip. Washington this the browns versus the cowboys in nineteen sixty, five Jimmy Brown had retired early and we were Kelly is in the backfield anyway the reason I went to. The whole thing was I heard of a guy named Bob Hayes who fast human earth you just won the Olympics. You know what to kit is nine years old. That's what I was looking for, and of course, when we got into the police had to ask what was in the bag, my dad's launch Nathan go ahead. So that was my passage and it was a beautiful experience and it's Real. Day with the same thing, my anniversary browns play. So getting back to your sidebar question I. I, don't you know it's all I think the MVP's all about expectations and Lebron just can't top themselves. So I don't think he's going to get that many MVP's in his short career. That's You know. I think we're GONNA miss him a lot when he's gone a heck of a lot but Don I'll I'll give it to the young man in Milwaukee he leaves. Walkie played really well, she it he did and he deserved a squeeze in mark. Real quick. Can we do that? Ramento mark what's going on Jim? Market. Sacramento. Brother Real quick. I wanted again I want to say happy anniversary to you guys from the Call. From the second day you guys. WanNa to start in two years ago you guys allowed me to call and listen to me and allowed me to get on your damn nerve. To. To to. Keep any real some yes. But we appreciate. y'All get on my damn nerves to listen. Real quick. For the last two years, Janas has been. To this point, he's been the MVP not he just continued. He just kept going and keep getting better. So just on the deck trajectory. So and on the Laker Fan Lebron's Fan. But this is not an argument that young man is just getting better and better and better, and it's just it hasn't stopped two years, right? So. Easily continues. He's been on believable any and you're right. Appreciate the call he has gotten better. You know. All RAVIOLI. Everybody saw there was reports that the Celtics had a blowout last night in the locker room. After the game they lost the Miami Heat their Dow. To an Marcus smart went ballistic in the locker room. What does it mean? We got Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe joining us next to tell us all about it. But I fox sports radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation, catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio DOT. com. And within the iheartradio APP search F. S. are to listen live coming to you live from the Geiko Fox Sports Radio Studios. It is easy to say fifteen percent or more on your car insurance. GEICO GO TO GEICO DOT COM or call eight, hundred, nine, four, seven, eight, the only hard part is figuring out which way is easier. He's a friend of the show does a fantastic job covering the NBA one of the national writer for the Boston Globe. Are saying Gary Washburn what's up? What's happening? How you doing we are great men that look we go get to what's going on the Celtics but before their. Everybody on Earth knows you got an MVP vote. Because of you voted for mellow, we know we won't have that famous white. That's right. Abroad but still. Famous voter that's right. Now. Robin I. I'm a voter to voted Janice rob says Janas. Deserved it. As you know, a lot of people think Lebron robbed that he deserved it. Who did you vote for and? What do you say to those? You may have voted for Lebron for all but what do you say to those? Who Think Lebron should have been MVP? Lebron Oh wow got. One at a seventeen. I think. The White Wash Gary on this one eighty-five. Jaanus. That was shocking. I thought it would be more of a split vote. I thought it might be like You know sixty forty something like that as public, the eighty, five and sixteen whatever it was like. I thought with broad did what the Lakers this year number one seed at you know they're not playing a quote unquote loaded championship roster. You talked about the White Howard Straight Avery Bradley Pretty Much Street resort though with a bunch of teams jared Dudley Danny Green and talking about guys, silent players but a payment ad. The rest of the guys and I thought what he did lead the league in assists kind of changes game showing all the skills that I thought he was. The youngest amazing season. Nothing against you I thought Y'all people ask. He's a better numbers but I just thought. What the Brian did with his team on the floor in bringing La back after real disappointing I la. I'm shocked by vote but you know I mean, everybody has their opinions Gill in their. Jerry. I voted for for. Just watering. The broader. Cool. Out. With. The bottle. Not, a level of you. Thought. I thought back to back every piece of really hard to win like I thought it would be more even especially with the Lakers remember that stretch they think they beat the clippers and they eat the bucks. It was just too and Gary. Let's not crave Gary. Here's my only problem I have with you with your your your take on. This is that Jonah's one defensive player the year his numbers were better they had milwaukee. Had the best record in the League and Lebron had Anthony Davis Right. So when you look at it and you give a broad credited, they only had two guys. Jonah's had one guy just him Chris Middleton is not on Anthony Davis par and he still had a better record and had the numbers and play both ends of the floor and Anthony Davis had better numbers than Lebron. Other than assist I'm just shocked by your vote. Part. This was a year and Take. Age into account. Guy Thirty five. You can't do it. Doing Hmo. Only lights you take your age into account when it's his age when my time. Advocate to the. Jay Hall of fame that let's let's. Let's get to the big news. This is the bubble. So what you were one of those report and what was going on in the locker room. So what what happened with Boston last night and do you think there's going be a negative or positive over to all the HOOPLA in the locker room last night? Yeah I can't really say whether it could be negative or positive because you don't know how they're going to come out how guys will respond to win. There's. No altercations and things like that I. We are basically the the locker rooms is not state of the art. You, know two thousand twenty arenas are nice arenas that that are that has some limitations. So basically, the locker will we can walk right past lock say give they put a partition a barrier to where reports to weigh in the they'll clear you to walk path so when they're ready for interviews and Waiting in one of the leaders. There was just a whole lot of yellen. Didn't have enough. Experience yellow with family fights. We've all been to pursue took out. To go home now because I. Cat Drinking too much our. Own. And so. They were a lot of yelling and it was intense and it was extended. Then there was stuff being thrown this here against the wall. So it was like, okay this is not a normal post game like let's Hash it out. This is like This serious argument? It was multiple voices yelling. Put Marcus Marcus with his guys. scorgeous still. The only one. Okay. Well, but he wasn't the only one. So he comes out remember guys like I don't. We don't. We're not allowed inside the locker room got to the cold I don't know what the restroom facilities are like in the locker room but there is a bathroom visit role that is next tool, the locker room that you have to walk outside the locker room and gone. All US. So obviously, it was time for us to go. So he left the locker room when no shirt on is like kind of the gang type. In walked took a bathroom us but we still covered by the barrier. We're still separated by the barrier and we said what calling the tweet y'all awesome. Yes and he said that two. People that the rule. So he used the bathroom for five minutes and the. Continue it was not not stop once he left a really. Yelled he left. So saly after he left it contains. Wow. Gary Are you sure they weren't arguing about the new contract extension for Brad Stevens or was something else. Go take out the. Argued about it was but it it can came once market left roll. Back in and it continued that that. Voices and it was uncomfortable. An NBA folks look at us like we don't know what to do here because the can't tell me to go back spry appeal because so it was it was an extensive time. It was twenty minutes. So you know exit K. everybody came out there was nobody with these scratches or marks fighting but it was definitely a head hash out probably as close. Altercation from a team that was obviously frustrated affect the angry and they feel embarrassed because taking their lunch money in a four hundred days well, being around these guys Gary. Knowing. Them. Year around him throughout the seasons. Do you have a feeling knowing type of people they are how they might react that that I mean. I. Know Brad is not a confrontational type guy. KIMBLE's is probably not like that either do you think you know I know you don't know for sure but you have a gut feeling on whether this could be a positive that unites them or it could be something that just destroys their chemistry for the next few. Games. We like to think that it would be something because they were able to survive the Toronto. Series basically being up almost being up during your last second shot that losing the next game responded to win two out of three against the sitting chance. If they do that they can get through this and just get a game just point he just wanted to get a game. Good about yourself and try to get another one. You can turn around and talk about taking the series or or try to the best two out of three. So I do think this will help them is probably something that the to come out it's probably. A kind of a illustrates how much and how badly they WANNA win and how upset they are. Some they should be embarrassed they should be upset because plays that are being made. Jimmy. Butler skills go on. This stuff that that's hustle plays it's big big Ri- time playoff plays not this. You can't play three and a half quarters in the playoffs. We all know that I don't care what sport you talk about. You can't play half of game three quarters of a game expect to come out you're not that they're not that good, but she has have no fear of the Celtics. Lead go ahead take a twenty point lead. We'll come back we got three point shooters and we got. Confident player in the League Jimmy. Might be the best but. In Real. He's confident player. The League Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy knows that Jimmy can make big plays down the stretch. Yep that's the truth. All right. That's our man one of the best. Man. We'd be for the Boston Globe Gary Gray stuff man we appreciate it. Thank you guys appreciate. Piece Broussard's Fab five is next. Keep it locked Fox sports radio. Be Sure to catch live editions of the odd couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker Weekdays at seven PM Eastern Four PM Pacific on Fox sports radio and the IHEARTRADIO APP hey it's Chris Broussard and between the couple radio. So at night and all my tv work F s one during the day brother got admit is hard finding time to cook, and that's why I love using post mates. I can get food delivered without leaving the house or even opening the door and given. What's going on in the world I? Mean, let's keep it real day created non-contact deliveries. So when I ordered now from local restaurants, everything gets left outside my door. 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Lakers to win the championship for Lebron James to claim his fourth title. That's sparked me to do my fab five this week or the biggest upsets. NBA Finals history. Now I do agree that the Lakers are the heavy favorites now to win their their next championship and that Lebron James. Has a great opportunity. I'm picking him now I believe he should win his fourth title in it'll be great for him and his legacy. But is not a foregone conclusion as this list will show. So let's get to it the five biggest upsets in NBA finals history, and I will read them in chronological order from the oldest to the most recent. Here we go number five, the Boston Celtics nineteen, sixty, nine up setting the La Lakers in seven games. Now, here's the deal it was bill Russell's last season he just won the championship, but he's obviously getting not average nine points this season in the regular season. The Boston Celtics were the fourth seed in the east. They only won forty eight games and the LA Lakers who had been to the finals a year before with Jerry West Elgin Baylor and Gail Goodrich added. Added Wilt Chamberlain. So everybody thought they were GonNa roll they were the top seed in the west and low and behold. The. Celtics. beat him. Jerry. West, was fantastic. That's when of course he was named MVP even though they lost he averaged thirty eight points a game in that series but the Celtics pulled off the major upset number four. Number four, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five, the Golden State Warriors a sweep. The Washington then called The Washington bullets now. Washington with stacked they Elvin Hayes Hall of Fame Port Power Forward Wes unseld God rest his soul hall of Fame Center. They won sixty games. Everybody thought they were going to roll. Golden State stated only one forty eight games outside of Rick Barry I. Think they had old Nate Thurman. Roster whatnot impressive but Rick Perry averages, thirty points during the season and during the finals and not only let them past the heavily favored bullets buddies swept. Outstanding work by Rob Parker's friend Rick Berry number three. Number three, two, thousand, and four, another one related to Rob Park yet his pom-poms outfit is one. Chauncey billips Rasheed Wallace Been Wallace Rip Hamilton and shop prints pull off the major upset over shack coby Karl Malone, and Gary Payton in the NBA finals in five games no less. It was crazy. Number two number two let's go to two thousand eleven Lebron coming off the not one not two, not three, not four, not five, nine, six, nine. Now they own. Boston in the conference semis in five games they roll through. Their roles in Chicago Bulls in five games in the conference finals and me Dallas, which is led by Dirk Nowitzki and a bunch of old cats Jason Terry Jason Kidd way past his Prime Tyson Taylor saw Marian none of them were the same outside a and Jason Terry and they beat the by me. He is six games. The heat routed them in game one up fifteen in game two with seven minutes left lose but then win game three, I mean. They were clearly superior team and then they fall apart and lose in six. Number One. All right we gotta go back four years the Golden. State Warriors seventy-three wins Steph curry becomes the only player ever to be named unanimous vp they go out to on the cavaliers they go up three one on the cavaliers it seems like it's over but Lebron James and Kyrie Irving say, no, we got something to say about this and they come back for the greatest comeback in NBA finals history and one of the top five upsets ever. So there you have it it is not a foregone conclusion that the Lakers will win I, expect them to but watch and see.

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Dave Cowens on His Hall of Fame Career, His Stint as a Player/Coach, How the Game Has Evolved, Today's NBA Stars, the Warriors' Potential Dynasty and More (Ep. 131)

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Dave Cowens on His Hall of Fame Career, His Stint as a Player/Coach, How the Game Has Evolved, Today's NBA Stars, the Warriors' Potential Dynasty and More (Ep. 131)

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So just managing that transition and having that now th- authority over the guys that you were just an equal with. And now you trying to do both things Casey Jones and Bob MacKinnon were assistant coaches when Tom Sanders was let go and they had made take over the job. And so it's like you were you you only got to deal with a lot of the negative stuff. And the fun thing of coaching is that when you're on you couldn't coach when you're playing so you can only coach when you're on the bench. Right. So when you're playing you give the coaching over to Bob MacKinnon and in Casey Jones. Man, when you go back on the bench, you kind of like feel your way back into their thinking as you know as a game is proceeding. So it was a little schizophrenic at the time. But f you we had a lot of players. I think they were over twenty players on the roster that particular year. So the whole thing was just a mess. So I guess I was the greatest pick for them with that mess conversation even like fourteen games into the season. You get asked that. I mean, what was that like being asked to do that? And what was your response your reaction? You know, being just, you know, player go, you know, if we take the time to try to bring somebody from the outside in. It's like how long is that going to take for us attorney's thing around 'cause we're twelve and two two and twelve at grant a wish wanna win some ball games. She also I go. No at the hell, I'll try it. You know? But the thing is is they didn't pay me any more money. So that both jobs for to say. Here's all these extra responsibilities. No more money. But I did it because you know, felt like I had an allegiance to the franchise SPN. And do it kind of honored to that. They would pick me Joe Joe wide or some other guys that were on a team that had been there for quite a while. But so I would give it a shot. You know, we started out pretty good. We won like, I think our first six games. And then we went on a road, and may trade and on the bottom fell out, and we just never really recoup a member one guy. Don Smith who changes name to duel. Czyz we picked him up on the road. And we cut him on the road. So the Celtics and never wore a home. That's how crazy and it was just a turnstile. Well, you obviously we had a coach after that as well. You know, San Antonio Charlotte Golden State, how did that experience the player coach? How did that kind of help you when you made the transition to coaching fulltime was it really didn't think it was just such a, you know, just so unusual to do both jobs. But I think and I relied on guys who were coaches to do a lot of the game preparation that sort of thing we still weren't doing a lot of film work at the time. So there weren't a lot of film sessions and work to be done as far as that's concerned. But when I when I went to San Antonio, I had to learn the fundamentals coachee to learn how to do a board in present a game plan, and it has to be done within ten minutes. Yeah minutes, and then you have to learn how to do time outs that to be done within sixty seconds or ninety seconds the pen. And you know, so you have time for him. You can't just go on and on and on you gotta be concise and organized, and you know, on target when you're when you're trying to lead guys to give them direction. And so, you know, practice planning pre-game rule books manuals and all the other different things. You just have to learn how to do that. And it's like Harnden fundamentals a basketball dribbling passenger shooting, rebounding. You learn boardwalk film or player presentation, timeouts, etc. Etc. Your game. You mentioned your allegiance to Boston. Your game resonated so much in Boston. You were a fan favorite. They loved you. There. It seemed like your style play perfectly fit the donations as well. You know, what was it like to have that kind of immense fan support from Boston and just yelled be able to fit with that city. So well, well, I guess I never really thank them properly. But they give I always try to give them something to cheer about. I try to give him. Something was entertaining. You know in. I think they respected that I think they saw what I brought to the table. And in a just never never had any issues fans. Weren't they didn't Bumi. They didn't you know, say what's wrong with this guy? I think they always had my back. And I try to give them the best. I could most every night, you know, didn't always work out. Great. But you know, try to give them that. And I think they respected that because a lot of the the especially the. Eastern Team New York. Philadelphia Boston, you know, their generational base. Even out like Golden State. I mean, they've been around a long time as well as the grandfather's, you know, today were kids when we were playing back then so they pass that along to their their kids in their family. And it's it's kind of neat that you but part of that. Yeah. For sure years when he stories like that where you know. That's how kids connected to their dad or their grandfather by watching the Celtics in Boston sports in general. So yeah, you definitely see that. I wanted to ask this about a Celtics if you listeners actually actually asked them thinking about this the age, obviously played in Boston now has the role as GM and eat, you know, when a championship in that role has been able to do lot for the franchise where do you think he ranks now in Celtics history because of his awkward and off court contributions is he someone that you know, you feel fans figures is call him a major contributor. Yeah. Yeah. You know to the Celtics. Legacy sports legacy than the dynasty tradition that they have there because he was a very good player a competitive, very tough competitor. And he has you know, learned is raw and he was coaching. He got in business. He went to coaching. It was in Phoenix. I think and so leading up to his assuming a role as GM he understood the the workings of the office of of MBA franchise. You know, so because he was more than just a player and being a guard. I think you know, you always had that mentality of being a quarterback running the show, maybe more. So than a big guy. You know, these done a good job. I mean, he he masterminded that trade it got Garnett in in, you know, with his buddy Mikhail. So you know, I think that was an he worked at these things don't happen with one phone call these things take sometimes years to make happen. Ryan you have to have that vision of what kind of players do you want on your team to give you a chance to win a championship? There's no guarantee, but to give you a chance, and so then the dominos started falling in line. You know, they had Pierce in. They bring Garnett in. And now, it's a lot more palatable to bring a guy like, Alan. Yep. Right. Allen into the fold. Then all of a sudden, it's like. You know? And then you bring another guy in and you build a more depth here a little more depth there. You know, it's like when we in seventy two the seventy two season. We brought Paul Silas to the team. I mean that was a huge acquisition for us. Terms of how affected my play, and you know because we were both rebounds. So now, we had and I knew that there was somebody that could rebound like I did when I moved out, you know, try to take a big guy like Kareem Al share in open up some space underneath the basket. I knew he could take care of business. You know in the same way for him. So that that tandem really paid off for us river we sat down to talk. I saw you talking to cream over there. What do you remember about? You know, your matchups obviously you guys battled a ton. When you look back on cream competitor. And your matchups against him. What are some of your favorite memories or stories have favorite members? When guys get forty elbow. Although hitting you. Not too many fond memories then. Oh, I see a lot of hook shots going down don't shots. And you know, you just they they had you know, Oscar was on the team. So he had a couple of pretty good players on the team with him. But he was the guy. I mean cuss Larry costal at a playbook. Was this thick and all that much was devoted to get Nevada. Corinne, constant pressure on you know, that he was going to have the ball. They were looking to get him to both. And at the time. There was not a lot of double team and go going on. So for the first four years that we played Boston against Milwaukee. Was single coverage me on him at tough. And I'm going to lose that back. I'm gonna lose it. I mean, it's just the way it is. Because the amount of possessions down he's going to have the ball in his hand. He's going to get the ball where he wants it for the most part. I'm trying to keep him a little bit outside. We're trying to keep the ball from going from one place in the other. The may. It easier. But in take some of the percentages off his game. But, you know, still great player makes up for the just and so, but the whole thing was okay. If he gets thirty five maybe I can get twenty three. So now, there's only twelve point different a match, human rebounds. Maybe and maybe able check you know, so it's about winning the ball game. But that night you had to take it on the numbers for sure. And he's he's listed at seven to your listed at six nine. NBA two. There's you know, we see more small ball or positions basketball. It how do you? I guess what is it like when you're playing against a much much bigger than you? How do you make up for that? And then what do you make of the movement today where there is, you know, more small ball and position as basketball being played those a subtle way to try to reduce it's all about percentages. You know, we've been dealing with analytics for a long time. It didn't just sort of pop up. Everybody had a book on the other guy. And you knew what is favourite was do what ways going to go. How did shoot whatever whatever. And we did it just individually. But as a team, I would sell the guys listen, I wanna play Kareem this way. This the best way I can do to get him moved out a little bit take some time off the clock and not just Lau him to receive the ball where he wants it. So we really tried to keep the ball on other side of the floor from where he wanted to post a so that he now they had to take more time to get it over there. And then plus it gave me a chance. To position myself to where he wouldn't get the easy shots. He's gonna get shy. He's gonna make Shah. But it's like you don't want to give them a lot of easy on the lob dunk kind stuff. You know, the net comes with not allowing certain passes. It'd be made around perimeter. You know, and that's what that's what you get teammate help that way, we were just talking to cream about how the games of all didn't how it, you know, you don't see bid range dumpers anymore. It's either shoot that three or finish. At the basket. What you're in fact, you know, obviously, tons of three pointers now, fast paced. What are your thoughts on the way the game has evolved? You'd like it better. You know, what are your thoughts on the games? Evolution. I think from fan's perspective thins can focus more on the individual one on one play. Then the new focus in on the nuances of curling off of screens and popping out off of good picks. That are set, you know, because we're all buddy what watches the ball. Right. You. Don't see what's going on off the ball that much as a coach. Develop that sense of watching off the boss more than the bulk is the ball usually just comes into your vision. You know, when it's important, but you're watching how everything is set up. Now, I don't know that most fans do that. Because you have to be disciplined to do that the draw is to the ball. And so now, the drawl is on individual play one on one play because if I'm a guard and your guard me, and I look at lane, and there's nobody there I'm going to get by you, especially if you can't grow touch me or push me, or you know, they'd taken the hands out out of guarding people interfacing the basket so guy with a handle and the handles, they have nowadays are just remarkable. I have to tell you, but they work on all the time. And so, you know, so all this breaking ankles and stuff like that. You know, they're able to do that. And then they give the burst of speed to get right past you. And then now, they're you're you're at their mercy now that you're gonna finish boom, boom. So there's a lot more layups now. Boy, doing very many labs. You gotta layups off a fast breaks other not because it was packed in a guy looked at the paint today. Sees nobody back in the day saw Shanna down areas. So somebody at the elbow because if you want to shoot a perimeter shot from twenty feet hem, add it. Yeah. You know, because only counts for two and not that three point not that extra point. That's made such a big difference on just how the game looks you know, in the statute or around the game to me. It's easier for guard to get a triple double now. Because back back in the day. Very few guards got double figures and rebound because to win a room for all the big guys were there. And that was our job to get rebound your guard. You get the hell out of here assist. We get rebounds. I wanna ask you this. Speaking of filling up stat sheet, and you know, being able to do everything you're one of only five players to lead your team in all five major Gada, Gorey's Skype Pippen, Kevin Burnett. Lebron James to over the others for anyone this thing in wondering, how exhausting is that having to go to a on your best. One guy could lead. That's not a great, and I could probably lead and more like maybe six or seven categories, if you include foul out, I think total files I think maybe Maxwell hair like just a few more than me and one other category that that I was pretty close. You know, they have another one. But yeah, it's say a state of affairs in it. So they made you do that. And the next year. That's when you're a player coach, they think he's not doing enough already leading every stat. Let's make him a coach to you. You're the first one to do that and the lead in those five stat. And then the last guy to do the player coachee interesting. One thing. That's funny. So hoops, say we tweet out different trivia questions and videos, and we tweeted out people that were snubbed from the all MBA, I and so many fans are surprised to learn you were MVP, but not all NBA first team to do different voting blocks. Yes. Block for sports. Sporting news was doing a rookie of the year and most valuable player. And then the press were were doing all the other ones or sorry. I apologize on behalf of the press. No, it's okay. Bill. Russell did the same thing. Yeah. You got your the only two. So, you know, I'm a good company. What was your reaction when you your MVP? I'm sure you're assuming I'm going to be all NBA first game. Then you get the nouncement. What was your reaction to that reason? Say about one you have soom something. I never really assumed that any, you know, anything, but, you know, getting the MVP award was special because it was given a vote from your peers, right, which means more, obviously and the coaches in general manager. So those people that are in the business were the ones that were voting at the time when you probably didn't get very good interviews. Yeah. Marta hell. Against you. When you look at. When you look at today's NBA stars who are some of the guys that you like watching who are guys they're most entertaining to you. I like a lot of guys one of the issues with the game. Now, though is that it all looks the same in college now and a pros it's all middle pick and roll. It's all, you know, even if they run a set, it always ends up in a picket role, and you're trying to get a mismatch on get more penetration and more kicks. So I think the the regionality and the differentiation between offenses is just gone because of the three point rule change. Now, it just doesn't make sense to not run a middle pick and roll gracious works. You know, when you got a couple of guys that really know what they're doing puts the most pressure on the defense. So, you know, that's one thing that I don't like is I like to see a little bit more variety in how you know, people run their sets. But in terms of player, there's a lot of guys that I like to watch play, you know, because I've I'm drawn to that one on one. Mono mono matchup as well. As kind of fun to watch. I want to ask you this to what when you interact with today's players. What is that interaction? Like, you're talking to Kareem. He said he doesn't think a lot of today's players realized the doors that were opened up for them by the predecessors, and maybe to understand the history as much or you know, what guys like, you know, Korean or Bill Russell had to go through when you when you look at dinner, Eric today's players, what are your interactions with them. And do they typically understand really don't. I don't have. I mean, I'm sorta retired away from the games. I have no interaction with any right layers today, really know any of the players day. But what I hear through the players retired players association of younger players young retired newly retired players and their former peers who were playing out is that there really is no idea of the past in the history is the distinction was made yesterday by Caramba ler said baseball players young baseball players like from Dominican Republic. No. Who you know? Roger marris was in Willie Mays was and I mean, I don't know that the players of today from Europe, brother know, who some of the guys are played in the sixties, especially Shelvin days. You know what I mean? And and you wonder why that is in a game that has a lot fewer players in baseball football has. But it's just the way it is my thing. Is that with the media? They hype that this something that maybe it's never been done before. But it all has been done before point. If anybody, you know, if you forget Pete Marra vich, it's you realized that he was doing all the stuff that these guys are shooting from twenty-five thirty feet away. He was doing that all through his career in college and the pros, and he had all that a great handle on the ball handling skills. New Orleans of guys that were remarkable players in had the same exhibited the same skill set as today, but there's not a recognition of that fact. Yeah, you know, what? I mean, there's some unusual things that happened. There's unusual players that come along every generation. But most of the stuff you see today is been happening all along you're right about that. Yeah. And I I wish more players did realize it and for me. I don't care if the players. This fan should know. Extra was thinking the other day have or wouldn't it be neat? If you took like do a collage or the series of play of LeBron and then right next rate while that's going on show a series of plays by Connie Hawkins. Yeah. Somebody else that sort of had a similar playing style. I've seen him with something. You know what I mean? But have it. So that it's relatively extensive not like a one play. I was gonna say late, you know, style you so you can see a style. And you see a number of time that somebody did similar things that the guy you're talking about rich playing right now. And it would be a neat thing to do is take a lot of time. One of the problems is it's hard to retreat that old film because they got rid of it. Yeah. You see it every now. And then we're short clips like you're saying, we're just gonna give you a real appreciation. Yeah. So long video like that w very very interesting. I focus on froze and stuff like that. So I want to ask you this. Then you look at a I read the did you work a summer job during your NBA career that you had to work during the off season. I worked all the time. I had a number of different things that I did in the offseason. I had a Christmas tree farm out for a number years down in Kentucky. My parents brothers and sisters lived in the house, and I had but ten thousand scotch pine trees and build a barn. Get fencing of tractors and stuff like that. And I did that for quite a while. I always ran a basketball camp. And I do that almost all summer long. Did it for forty seven years. This is just stopped doing it this past year and probably had about fifty thousand kids come through the camp now time, so you know, I I would always I was always active all the time. I think that would surprise today's players our fans that you know, you're working during offseason. 'cause now, obviously we see players get these huge contracts, and they're not having to do anything else. They do something on the side, obviously for endorsements here for they want open other doors. But when you look at today's contracts that players get, you know, Chris Paul James, and they're going to making forty million dollars next year. I mean, some of these numbers are just it's great to see the game. Rowe like that. But what's your reaction when you see some of these contracts? I'm a player's guy. I'm happy to players get paid. Yeah. You know, because we've been abused by the man for so long. Being a sixties guy. Go you sing a lot of impropriety and taken advantage of guys. So I'm happy that the players are making what they're making. Now, you know, I just for me. I just want them to not squander those resources to do best. They can't for the family and the community going forward in the Bill legacy, you know of their own. By national security for generations to come. That's what it's all about. You know, sometimes it's not about how much you make how much you keep. Yeah. You know, going forward at one of the things retired players that we try to sensitize kids the young players day that, you know, eventually, you'll stop making those walks to the mailbox, and you know, when you do there's not going to be anything in there. Yeah. I was gonna say, you know, it seems like, you know, this NBA alumni program retire player players program. They do a fantastic job of educating and trying to make sure guys go down the right path. So if just want to give them the resource, you give them the s so I you know, when you're coaching you try to help players understand certain things, you know, and fundamentals and and to do the same thing in light. Is there any player that you look at today's NBA where you think their game is somewhat similar to yours. I think we know when Bob Owen when a love. Kevin love Kevin love when he was you know, from a rebounding shooting standpoint, though, it put the ball down past little bit probably him. Maybe from a an effort standpoint, a wild nece damn boy, maybe Draymond green a little bit. You know, many ways. No. But some ways yet, and but ah tell you the one thing I don't like today as I don't like the lack of sportsmanship? I think there's a lot of kind of contrived sportsmanship, like, you know, lining up after college game and shake in hand. It's like, you know, I don't know I kind of an authentic somebody tells you have to do that. It's not coming from your heart. I think all this hugging and kissing and all that stuff is a little bit contrived. It's it's when you don't like the the. Profiling the kissing her the muscles the flex in the yelling, and because for my standpoint as we thought before all these things have been done in the past. So we celebrate her just things that are sort of. L in just rudimentary. Yeah. Like anything special that happened to celebrate that much, you know, but we do. So I think it's a little bit of the the hype over hype of it. I don't like. And because I was always felt felt like I didn't wanna ever show up an opponent other than to be better than them and how do them but not to show off in front of them in. You know what I mean? And so I don't I don't like that from a sportsmanship standpoint. I don't think it sends the right message down to the young kids on how they they how they're going to grow up an act is on a basketball court. Yeah. That's fair. You were assistant coach in Golden State. I wanted to ask right now. You know, the warriors are so huge right now. People talking about that as eight possible dynasty. I know lock you joke that oh, they're fans are all bandwagon fans. But I don't think they realize how passionate those fans were, you know, dating back decades you saw it before this team came together. What was that fan base lake and that market like a? It was good market. Always was I say, they have really they've been here. A long time. Al adults has been out there. A long time, you know, and he's he's part of creating that fan base in people been going those games and ruin form ever since they wake we used to play over to cow palace near the baseball field San Francisco, and then they moved over to Oakland. And so, but they've always they've always generated good crowds and good excitement. You know? And there's a there's a great interest in basketball out. They're always as but now it's like, you know, when Rick played out there, and they wanna championship. It was you know, it was really high interest. Now, it's even more. So it's crazy now, I think, you know, it's really interesting. Yeah. I mean, the fans out there have a lot to lot lots of cheer for plenty of down in there on the cost of being dynasty say. They are right now on us of what did you do? What did you do a little bit more? It's a little more dominant for a little bit more a little bit longer. What are your thoughts on players teaming up like accent? Or some people would like when Kevin Durant there. They went to Marcus cousins went there. There was all this outcry mainly from fans that wanted those guys on their team. But what's your thought on the guys teaming up these days? Played in Boston one year. We have four all stars on t-. Yeah. I mean, I think any good player if the bring a guy with the right attitude, and you want bring a good guy on Tina help you win. There's nothing wrong with that. Right. You know, maybe how it's going about the way the players are kind of doing this out of yet in the war in about, you know, tampering different recruiting all that. Yeah. But you know, if a players talking to a player, and you know, they can like what they did it with LeBron and Bausch and way down there. And so it's it's a trend, and I think is not much you can do about it. You know, I think there are concerns. Now, I don't know how big a conservative, and they worry about the whole thing not trying to win ballgames for this out of the trying to figure out how to do this it restructured the draft and those formulas, but you know. It is what it is. You know, the the the favorites don't always win. You know, it doesn't always work out in your favor looking at Philadelphia for take for example, they've been they burn the bottom for a long time. And they were always accused of losing on purpose. It may one playoff win. And all six years, right? I've been white one series. So cease things take a long long time. If at all if they work out at all time in San Francisco, they had Nate Thurman, and we'll but on the same team didn't do so good. Now, you just don't know you never know how it's gonna translate from paper. It's actual games for sure exactly you don't last thing for you which season your career. Did you have the most fun? It could be because of certain teammates or certain achievements was their year. There's new two seventy three season was this is we only lost fourteen games. Best record in the history of the franchise. So. And we should have wanted championship. We would have I think of Havlicek doesn't dislocate his shoulder. You play a couple of playoff games against the Knicks who eventually won. But we knew that you whoever wanted to east was going championship LA at one the year before they had a streak of thirty three games. And they want an breeze, but the next year they weren't the same team. They didn't have that same hunger. Right. You know? And and we had handled them pretty pretty well during the season. So that was the one that I thought, you know, but that season was pretty remarkable. We we actually won more games on the road. We did at home that's hard to do you mentioned having that same hunger. I went out on that note. How tough is it to win back to back champions Chit championships? I mean, you guys one one took a year off one again. But when you're trying to win back to back years how tough is that. And in only fans realize the finals of the east, I think four five times in a row, and we want to championships and process. It's hard because like you say you're trying to create that consistency of effort, and you're trying to do it mostly what the same core group of guys in the same coaching staff, and you get, you know, familiarity, breeds contempt and it's true. And you get people get, you know, thinking that they they wanna have more influence on decision-making into head in the past. And it's not the same. The hunger is different the incentives are a little bit different. You know, there's just and so to be able to continue to play it at high of a level and to keep that tightness as a group confidence and trust in love with each other in the coaching staff and everybody, you know, it's difficult to do. Because now you're doing it hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of gain. Yeah. You know, it's very top. And so it's it's a remarkable feat for two in a guy to talk about that. Is Russell understand all the challenge. Incredible. And nowadays see you have teams. Poaching your players. U N championship that in free agency. You're out all of a sudden free agency is definitely makes it harder. Now the one rusted because they kept the same group around for a long time. Right. That helps well, Dave. Thank you so much affiliates. Argue for hours fun. Thank you so much for your time was off to good basketball fan. If you want to listen to their episodes of the hoop site podcast t-shirt, check us out an audio boom IT and Stitcher anywhere. 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Attack Each Day: The Harbaughs' Podcast

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"This podcast is part of podcast one sports net. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the. Hi, jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool. So when it's like tell us what you want to pay. Hey trombone goes, blah, blah, blah. And you say we'll help you find coverage options to fit your budget. Then we just all do finger snaps while a choir goes, savings coming at ya. Savings coming at ya. Yes. No. Maybe. Anyway, see you practice tonight. I got new lyrics for the rap break. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. He is currently the head football coach of the university of Michigan wolverines and a former player his dad and brother are also former players and coaches, but there's more to them than just football. It's time to talk about attacking life each day with an enthusiasm unknown demand kind. This is attack each day the Harbaugh's podcast with Jim Harbaugh. Hello, everybody. And welcome to another addition of attack each day, the Harbaugh's podcast IRA wash up here once again with the real host of the show coach Jim Harbaugh coach Jack Harbaugh, plus director of recruiting Matt Dudek. It's here McKinsey our producers here as well. We're gonna catch up on some Michigan football news and notes we'll get to our lucky sports. Parents feature this week with Mike Morris who's the dad of Mike Morris. And then we're going to wrap up with a bowling green. And dental hygiene filled addition, oh, Jack talk here on a tacky state. The Harbaugh's podcast reminded to scribe tools on apple podcasts by the podcast one app or on podcast one dot com. And please follow us and contact us on Twitter at ADD podcast. So let's be a good one. The Jack talk must be good today. Because has got the thumbs up over there. You've got the chin Bob we had line. We have not done it. It's coming. I've a feeling we're going to learn a lot. I've I've got feeling we're going to learn a lot. Smile there. He's got something. That's a tease that is a tease that is correct. Your those people that kind of go through the opening then they go through the parent, and they cut off Jack talk. You might wanna stay tuned to the Jack talk today. Yeah. Educational very very. Coach one thing that we talked about on the podcast last week. Was that pro day was coming. So you had it this past Friday. Great turnout, obviously every team was represented sounds like your guys did really well. And I heard a comment that I just wanted to little clarification from you. So you mentioned it to us that Wilton Speight. I was coming back. He was going to do some throwing they were asking him who would have been doing the throwing if he wasn't here. So a lot of speculation that have been you. Yeah. Woodhead to stepped up. Yeah. We didn't have a draft quarterback this year. So we Wilton expressed the wanting to come back. So as I was perfect guys won a lot of games here force. And it was great to see him back on campus and hurt threw the ball. Really? Well, and he's great. He he lost about twenty pounds him. He looks. He he ran like a four eight six or something which he was very pleased with I I told him I saw him was like, oh, you finally lessened. Member hit the button and the little pooch belly. And I was like come on, man. Got to be more spelt who've around better walk. He walked in the door is that exactly. My mind's I had for him to there are several players that I haven't seen for like four or five months players that are in the draft and players were coming back for drafty. They walked in here last week. I have never seen him looking better. You know, it's taken like two or three years for everything to kind of click in and maybe with with the pros knocking on the door. They look at things a little differently. I don't know the obvious commentator, Jack there is I mean, why not do that, you know, from the beginning why not do that each and every year. But I think there are some guys that that think that that's the biggest thing, you know, the the how they do on their pro day. And that's that's a piece, but it's not it's not the biggest it's not the the thing that's going to change what you've done throughout your college career in your your what you did actually on the field. But human nature. Right. It's like they don't have to do it till they have to do it. You know, why wait to the last minute because it only takes a minute matter to just do it for right from the beginning with that same motivation. It's kind of like you mentioned about Jack. I was there the day that the game was over and you were co two Jack a little bit. And he looked at you like dad, you're pushing me you're pushing me to hire your ear retort was that's what I'm here for my job. That's my job. I think about some of the players are freshman here trying to boat avait him, and you're trying to tell them things that's best for them. And they give you you're the coach. And you're pushing me your job. Graduate, and they go off into the real world real realize they what somebody to push them. So they can get to that next level. There's no question about it. My six year old after his basketball game two weeks ago. Now, first of all he loves sports. He likes playing got to throw him the ball, you gonna shoot baskets with them. You know, you to pass him the ball. He's he wants to be doing something at all times. Soccer football, basketball, whatever and we're out there at the game. And he had he had a rough day. Healy made one of seven shots games over he comes over to the bleachers. And first thing I said at first thing out of my mouth was he played hard. You've played good hard. Then his could see the tear coming roll it down. You're pushing me. The king pusher. I don't know where a six year old would come up with pusher. Let alone the king pusher. But I go, you're right. I am I am going to push you. And that's what I'm here for. That's my job. How many older man shoot the ball? Off the backboard softer. Main at least four out of those six shots. You just out still little bit of touch off the backboard thing, I appreciate it so much being a part of that dialogue. You're right there. I was right there listening, but fans were walking out parents were walking out. Here's a six year old. And they're all looking like, what's his response on agree? Where is he going to go with this like, son? I don't. Do you really feel like a push? That's my. That's my that's my head is the first stake from my mind. I think the parents saw she we're going to go there. And then when you kinda beat it up. Yes, that's. Right. Everybody was taken aback someone I'm gonna get an older sibling or siblings. Maybe. King pusher. Mona come from a lot of times older sibling that probably was pushed just as hard by you might pass that along to a young pass that down. Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, if you're doing things too, right? Hopefully that word has trickled down from the older kids that had that pushes you. I have to say, you know, the get the question a lot like was it more fun to play or coach? And it was definitely more fun to play. You're out there playing and working every muscle. And the next next best thing is coaching and now parenting and going to your kids games is as good as playing I feel like I'm playing again. I am more excited for these games than I think the kids are sometimes, but I am back in that mode of when I played I didn't think about anything else but the game and scoring a touchdown. My mind was off of everything else that was wrong with the world or a wish could be different. And I'm back as a parent. I'm back in that mode of play it it's so so excited, I get the Klay through the kids again, you know, it's it's a wonderful feeling. I always found it. It was. Harder to go through those games apparent than it was as a player. It's there's more pressure on the parent. I think than there was on me as a player if I remember correctly that could disappoint me about these games right now is if they if they didn't have passionate about my kids, go out and play these games that it's like it brings him to tears if they if they don't do. I mean, that's I don't like to pass, and it could be anything. It could be if they had a drive and a passion for a sport or music or drawing, my daughter, grace Gracie loves water polo and drawing katie's playing playing the piano now, it'd be not a hot Dr Katie doesn't have a lot of drag yet. But I mean, isn't that what we all hope for as parents that our kids will have a love and passionate drive for something anything, you know. And then once you see that they have it and that you see him practicing. And then we're gonna go to the game. This is really exciting. The combination the ball out there. There's a ball out there. But the beautiful thing, you don't know where you get this. I really don't know where to get this. But when you do talk to your kids after a game, or after whatever, you always go one good thing that they did two good things. They did. And then on about the third thing you need to shoot it. Softer off the backboard, he always have some positives before you you hit them with Jack Harbaugh school of ferreting. I and I have copied it completely. I told Jack when he came off you played hard you played rebound your rebound machine. Yeah. I went through two good things before I got to the backboard is you can't pay off the back for and you don't want Jack. Let's work more in the left side of the c- uncanny with the with the with the shot, if he's left to the basket shake goes, it goes softening off he goes to the right of the basket, boom. He's gotta hit zone. So you have to work on the. Chart. I did have a question. This is maybe just, you know, for those that are inclined to the team your brother coaches, but I know you coached against for a few years. His big new star addition you have a scouting report for for your dad for your brother for us. Ravens fans about Earl Thomas is a tremendous player. He really has a nose for the football as they say and causing turnovers gets interceptions causes fumbles. You know, he's he's really savvy. I mean, those guys have play a play three deep zone defense or or and they play a lot of a lot of zone in Seattle. It'd be a great fit and in Baltimore. But there's some people that go to their spot and stand there like an orange cone. That is not Earl Thomas. I mean, he is he's helping he's he's he's feeling runners come through his own. He knows when to Slough off a guy and go help somebody else in and put himself in a position to make those plays. I've just he's one of the best of the game out pretty excited about the signing. I assume John was as well they were going through at time. There were they lost Weddell, and they lost subs, and they lost Smith, and they and Moseley and they were dropping and we were in your office. I think we're talking to Don Martindale, right? And Don was on coming here for clinic and mentioned to what's going on. And then he gave us the equated to. There's like a sickness a virus? Was this was the and we we got some medicine. We got some here coming in. You know, it was going into the recreation. And then the medicine was was was coming in. I'm looking forward. Jackie Adam and every players the running back from. The ingram. Michigan injection to the ravens offense to Kentucky and hurt there as well. Wanted to ask you about your Cleveland hurt. You had a great event. Keynote speaker at the Cleveland the event for the NFL national football foundation. Let me say I I was there. And it was by far I've seen coachspeak in many different things many different events in front of many different by four his best performance. Best speaking, I'm not saying mad. No, I'm not even trying to carry. I mean, it always not. It was incredible. I wish Jack was there. The only thing that would made it better was seeing Jack's face in it because he was he got Zack Jack a couple of times just telling some stories, and maybe the maybe the exaggerations of it would have been a little different of Jack was there he could rebuttal. But it was it was awesome. And what was great is. He talked a told all the stories many that he told on here before. But then he went over to do a fireside chat. With the with the host, and it would just off the cuff, and it was it was incredible. I mean, again mean it from the players like it mean it there was a great crowd. Let's start there. You know, when you're when you're speaking of giving his speech when you can look out there and have some people nodding their head Matt was there and getting positive feedback from somebody Ben mcdaniels and and Mike Zordich were there. So I had some good hometown guys there that would I could look to and get a get a nod or positive reaction to. But then high school players. I mean, they're getting award for for it was academic award that they were getting and see all the proud parents and grandparents that were there, and coaches, they had the coaches from mount union and all the state championship coaches. Great coaches grape parents and high school football players and a few of guys from our staff. I was I was in the home crowd. I've felt like I was in. With people bet you gotta feeling footballs and go to a in a good place in there with coaches late yet and Paris like that young people playing the game for all the right reasons. I are game is in a good place. Sure. As I mean, each coach got up and talk like, thank you. Thank you for being good. Thank you for being a good coach tar kids. And how lucky we are lucky. We are that there's so many so many good dedicated talented coaches, my favorite off the cuff moment from coach. I'm sure he does Miami sharing. So during the fireside chat part, the host was a really good host had some really good questions. Not the typical like, you know, when you were drafted by the bears or wants to do this like all standardized question. He he was just really in depth his brother played against coach at Dayton. He was the running back running back to number twenty five coach remember that on spot. So that like through the host like, oh, my smell an ear loving it. He's up on the edge of his seat. And he's telling this real in-depth question, and I could see coach staring at him. And at the end of the question. He looks at them and goes his man, you just have a great voice. Like, can you repeat that question? The audience loses their mind this. It was such a cool. It it was just because he was in the moment. Like, I could see him thinking like, man. This guy's really good manager of a great voice. Four we wrap it this opening segment. A couple more things I do wanna get just briefly into the spring ball a day under your belt. But before we do that Matt has had a happy dead proud dad moment over the past week as well as we want to share. This is something that I think we all can relate. Yeah. Wanted to share with you guys that so my my bigger twin Julianna probably stop referring tours the bigger twin the youngest twin Julianna them. There's a little girl in her class that has down syndrome, and she invited Juliana to the class to birthday party and from the last thirty days every single day when winter birthday once her birthday wants her birthday, and she could not wait to get there. So when Lindsay RSVP for the little girl's birthday, the mom mmediately messes back went, oh my God. Thank you so much for ours. VPN Giuliani is such a sweet girl to her loves her. She takes care of her at schools. He takes care of her on these filled trips. Love that can't wait. To have her at the party to get the nowhere a little better. And then his seconds, you Juliana walks in the party. She it's a swimming party. She takes her little cover up. She walks, right? Over grabs the girl's hand, they go right into the pool. And it might have been no it is the most proud moment. I've had as a dad I mean, ten years in I'm proud of abbey product mellow proud Juliana for sports and for doing great in school when being good kids in general. But like just to see that that girls is her friend like arms, the Kakuma Harlech. I mean, I'm telling you you'll remember that until they poured third overtime. But there's no doubt about it. Doesn't get any better than that. Now. And she's a sweetheart and I'm just so proud of her. So that was appropriate for the podcast and China take lessons from the great Jack Harbaugh, and and push them. You got great kids, by the way. Thank you. They love you coach. I mean, they're so sweet. They make me pictures the. Fair within the office. They'll they'll come in. And and say Hello and always a hog always a hot. Whether we're at the officer after games or anywhere. We are. And thank you. They draw beautiful beautiful artwork. They could be better at art. By coach is better than me. Some of the best block M's football helmets. Committee youngster you have followed the mantra of of our show, you married wisely. There's no doubt about it. No, she I've outkicked my cover all those cliches, I've done them five times over, and I know that so coaches, we wrap things up here did wanna just briefly ask you you've had a day under the belt, so far Alexa meetings over the weekend and the first day of offspring balls underway and has happened. I was it to get the guys back out there. But a boil it down to two things they really looked like they were physically in shape for the first day of spring practice as a whole as a team tiptop, really good. And then also just a real good grasp or the schemes both defensively offensively special teams wise like way ahead like way ahead. Like, this is this is good not everything not everything. Right. But but really as far longer further lawn than we've ever been for first day of spring. Practice. So many players that have been under the radar say. And you wonder how they were going to go these last three and a half four months, and so many have ascended, you know, and it's been wonderful to work with guys that are just under the radar hungry. You know, serious about being good. And how are they gonna our they going to step up? And what are they going to do? And then doing doing what they're supposed to do doing it, even when somebody's not looking they they've done that. And then then those guys that are actually doing that. And then bring guys along with them, Ben Bredesen's, really noticeable as as somebody that's leading medalists another guy Christian Turner's at a phenomenal offseason. Unbelievable. Michael, Wayne, you said his best offseason. He's getting through all the all the conditioning. He's getting through all the practices not having to to. Stop at any time. He's looking like in so many ways all our quarterback quarterback room is is really good shape. Patterson the starter Dylan McCaffrey run a number two right now, Joe Milton number three, and I will make this prediction shape. Patterson will not be able to put his feet up higher spree practice because there's guys common hard and and fast, this McCaffrey and Melton really really good. Then also BP Brian Peters, and and Kate McNamara or doing extremely well off align looks as good as it ever has better and returning for four starters, you you'd think that would be the case you'd anticipate that, but they've ascended they've gotten better too is not just come back and and punch the clock. These these past winter workout sessions. Here's another bright spot is defensively. Line of pry personifies the the under the radar guys and where they are taking this. And where they've taken it the last three or four months, but that group in particular is is shining right now. Eight hundred seven really good player quit. He pay really good player Carlo camp as another guy who's a leader in bringing guys along and he came in as an inside backer. We're gonna play it insight backer. It'd be good insight back and then moved to outside backer, then put him at defensive end and then eventually tackle. But so he's at tackle. He is really niche strong, strong, strong really strong and really lead that group in their than young guys are just pop into a job. Oh, and Newburgh Julius wealth. Kopf who played no high school football has got all the all the town all the traits. In their Ben Mason is going to be playing both ways. And he's. Fast in on the defensive line. That's where we're playing them and really strong as an animal and who's going to block them. And maybe even the best guy so far if you look at one from last season two this season Donovan jeeter as had a really tremendous off season. The team workouts have been good into practice yesterday. And I see him. I see him getting after people, and, you know, not only self hold himself accountable and hold and other guys accountable. Maybe so far the biggest job along with Christian Turner. Now, those Chris Turner up in a real beast all over he's been really the the off season, and that's just one day in so looking forward to talk and pull over the next month or so leading up to the the fan fest event and then the spring game coming up in April as well. We also remind everybody last week we tweeted out a picture of the ten rules the Harbaugh way of life and asked the question. What do you love about the podcast? What do you want to hear going forward? We're going to keep taking those submissions and next week next week on the podcast. We're going to pick a winner. And we're gonna send it to you. We've had some great responses so far so keep those tweets coming in. We're going to pick a winner for that next week. But one of the tweets that came in mixed in their coaches, we wrap things up with the response to that tweet from from Dennis who said it was such an honor to meet the man who invented coaching. Maybe a little extreme. Nobody said it made Michigan football fun again last night at the kiss concert. So I was kiss. It was loud. That was I was taking one for the team there that was that was a daughter Addie for she's a metalhead. She's ten years old. And for some reason, she's she's relates to these eighties bands. And seventies bands need to talk to her. Pretty chaperone. I can and you especially if you're a practice I can handle the some of those louder venues. Oh, yeah. Wasn't. She rocker at for Halloween. Did I remember seeing that she had this kiss shirt for for a while? Now, I think she got to ask for for one of her birthdays. And got it that kind of thing for her. And she was really into what she knew some of the words. I didn't know any of the words, and we had a six AM workout the next day. The next day we had a I was taking the team there. But it was fine. You know, as it was her first concert her first concert ever. And I was thinking back. What was my you? Remember her limits your whole life? What your first concert you ever went to was? Right. And I know mine, I was I remember mind, it was well, it was it was either REO speedwagon or or Fleetwood MAC, I guess it's going exactly where they're both at Chrysler arena. So. With what did take you to Elvis Presley when he was here back in back in the middle seventies. Now now. I've been able to floor today lower spayed invited me to Chrysler read, and we're probably in eighth grade. And she had tickets there on the floor and everything and I think our no speedwagon was the first concert. I ever went to he kind of lost them pop. I think I heard much ham lately. REO speedwagon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was your first concert that a joke? Good. Well, too. Johnny. He's gonna name speedway. It can't be come on. Now you've been around a year. You're not buying this. I'm not buying it. Not your first concert. We had to to here in Arbor, Ricky Nelson. He wasn't in a Chrysler. It was of like downtown in like in a room. It wasn't. He must have been kind of slide in a little bit. But Ricky Nelson and Harriet and the Nelson and Ricky and David and that show we used to watch all the time. So I remember that that was good and then Elvis Presley. I mean, we saw him and Chrysler right before he passed away probably two or three months before he passed away. But. Those has left the building. I recall that your first concert TLC the nineties Oren b group. Yes, I can't remember who opened ship the sea of TLC chilly. Her brother listens. He listens the podcast. Nice and fan. Well, hey, well, hey, bud. I want to your sister's concert back in sometime in the mid to late nineties, and interesting fact Destiny's Child opened for TLC at that concert. So I saw beyond say actually four she was this is this is weird to talk about. Guy every. A guy who's doing paintings at the kiss concert. So he was the opening act. He was doing these peop- did wanna Bruce Springsteen Aretha Franklin, and then he did another one of paints to the music of the Detroit statue that the what's that called? The hands are holding holding one thing and holding another thing I think there's a fountain downtown, but they did them in like fifteen maybe ten minutes each one to play into music, and he's dancing. He's got two brushes going. He's making he did a wreath of Franklin upside down started with it upside down and then flipped it over and see was the spirit of Detroit. And the I wish I could remember his name, maybe so we'll think of that car wagon. Our wagon. Yeah. Brother, just favorite. What was your first concert MacKenzie? My first concert was actually Shania Twain oh five Yahoo. I was obsessed with growing up, and my parents took me I think it was another hockey tournament thing. I financial gold getting dragged to one of my brothers sporting events that they took me to the Schneider twain concert. So I feel good about that. You know, it wasn't like Taylor swift or something I feel good about Schneider. You're going to say it wasn't TLC. I was there. I actually would love to. That painters. Name is David Gary Baldi there. It is Garibaldi. Yup. I to rapid about Japan tastic because I don't remember which one came first. But my parents took us we have floor seats at the capital centre in DC for Neil diamond, Barry Manilow most to those are my first two I don't ever which one was first though. My mom's seem very diamond Neil diamond. Right. We must be a record of him. I know it must have only been able to afford one ticket because you didn't take me during football season. She did. But she didn't take me, Sarah. Showed may have sold a house to hurry Manilow. All right. Wow. That's cool. Was she was a realtor. I don't remember the concerts. But I remember being a kid that I was definitely there. I've been told that I was there. So those are the first to looking forward to continuing our lucky sports parents series. We're gonna get to that next with Mike Morris that of Mike Morris here on attack each day, the Harbaugh's podcast, sixty seconds. That's exactly how long this commercial less. You know, what else you can do in about a minute. Get an offer for your car with truecar. That's right in the amount of time. It takes you to floss your teeth pet your dog do if you sit ups or just listen to my voice, you can get a true cash offer. Best of all you can do it from your smartphone or home, just go to truecar and simply enter your license plate number and watch your car. Details pop up and sure if you questions and you'll get an accurate true cash offer from a local truecar certified dealer. 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There's people bring it bring it out the winter tire. We had a couple of fifty degree days last week, Mike, and then I saw and Sarah semi texted or one of those funny. Funny, videos, or whatever she found it. So the whole thing is there's a guy driving in his car. It's March seventeenth and they show the car forty seven degrees. And he's like singing he's taken on his he's throwing it in the back seat rolling down the window. Busiest grave forty seven degrees. And then it cuts to same guy. Same car. He's all bundled up in a winter jacket with the hood on. It says I told her seventeenth forty seven degrees Elia on. Cold and. That was that was funny. It's so true. No. So so true. Unbelievable. When you go to the NFL, you don't pick where you get drafted. Right. And you're gonna play cold weather game. So might as well come north go to a great school like Michigan and get your coupon. Oh, I hear you. I hear ya. And plus two manning when you use around the bike people man, you're you to make some changes and the hard good change is good. Help Shula mature. How's everything going for you got everything everything under control down there in south Florida? The last thing you wanna hear in in the law enforcement earliest up business is good. Could say that late anybody else? I think it would do with my own. But it's it's daddy. You know, I hate what's going on in that now because that does play major role in our preparation and all that eight on four American and United States six. How long have you been in in the police business? This is year twenty seven. Wow. How did you? How did you choose that profession? How does that come about with both been temporary? You know, it was a senior. They hem is. Number one office garment nation, a broken leg. Around the top of the foot senior going through senior season. A matter of fact, my first game back was against Michigan in ninety one. And they lay me injury-prone. So at that came back for the all star game in and nobody would draft me. I ended up in the trade and shown Alannah, and I said I need a backup plan and I wanted to boost his pick me up when mitt sheriff. And. Need know her what happened about the injuries? And he said, no, we're Mike. I'm hired you and first stint law forcement in a temporary without trying to get back in shape. Me allowed me to work out. The try to give a fillip go and get hurt chasing a guy one night and had to have another ankle surgery and say, Mike if you wanna walk at thirty five near let it go, and and that's twenty seven years ago. I didn't know that you know, I would have stayed this long. But you know, I got a story tale to a lot of young men, especially have to know about life where you come from what you can be just given out paternity. So now as in Thawra -tarian, you may not want to hear my message, but I can make stay in this. Actually, this was my call it. You know, I didn't even know it myself, you know. Mike is trained a lot of guys. I mean coached them in the in the in the little league. And Ray McDonald was one that came from microgram and also also wife melody principle is guys you've been a team of of developing and inspiring youth for those twenty seven years here. Matter of fact, the TV station here did documentary on Assam. I wanna say if. Two years ago, and at that time fifteen years ago, I think we've gotten over three or four hundred kids into college academically, and I focus on athletics. She folks on damage, we have happy median because the athletics insurgency PA if they makes needs to search EPA again caused so and Nells fifteen years ago four hundred kids, and so it's been it's been a blessed. Man, it's been blessed. It's amazing to me is the proactive things that you're speaking about so many times, I think we as out in in the world, we look at police work, as you know, as you say chasing, people are investigating and doing all those kinds of things, but talk to us a little bit about the proactive with the young people and trying to avoid them taking a path that that would lead them to that ladder that latter stage somebody calls nine with one. They're not invited me for lunch. Saying dinner ready. So you see behind the scenes so to speak because I can coaching you see the final product on the field. But people don't understand what goes into on and enduring prices and stuff and recruiting and everything else. So I see the issue. The the primary issue new whether it's the father not there hours the drugs in household glow. Somebody something or just a young parent. So in law enforcement, you know, we have evolved tonight just fight crime. But it, you know, the whole thing in law. I to fight deter stopped recidivism, you know, it repeat a fundamental. And so if you care about your job, you you also want to take the prom 'cause I won't have to come back. And so now, you find yourself being the social worker the law enforcement, the investigative in, you know, most of the kids come a life, and I in IT, so. No, they now they became, you know, become a extend a party, a family matter of fact, I was so funny last night, I'm in Bill glade talking with some people and sin Tonio. I mean, Travis Benjamin play the UM and has just got the new car mice contract NFL. And he was like he told him away. Whereas Mike, you you don't know the impact you have on people right away. And is fulfilling for us is it when net kid five years from now ten years, not come back and say, thank you. You know, win win. I've helped in my wife, and I helped kids getting NFL the only thing I've ever asked. And we've and we've both asked we don't want any money come back and speak to the next group of kids that were helping because you remember you were in that fifteen passenger van or we were traveling all our United States. Now, we have a new group of keys expose them to to what you had to do to make it. See this all we ask so law enforcement. Now, man, you know, is is co you a coach she leader. You know, you everything about it. I was going to just jumped in my mind too is earlier on the podcast. We did we did the opening here. We're talking about pushing your kids, you know. And and yeah. And that's what we're here for we're here as parents. I mean, we're that's what our job is worse. We're supposed to push them. And one thing I remember you telling me, and I'll ever bring up the names, you know, you kind of don't you leave the name out to protect the innocent. But there were there was a young man who was a high very high profile player that started with you in in the vans and going around and when off and had a wonderful college career was a first round draft pick, and and came back, and and you told her you shot him straight. There's some things in his life that you didn't like the what the way he was doing. And and because Mike's not he's not out for money. He's not out. For what just like he said, he wants them to come back, and and pay it forward with the with the next generation. But where a lot of people guy makes it he comes back. I mean, you're kissing her hind end, you know, that kind of thing. But you you've you've maintained that as a as a dad, and we were talking and a father figure and a coach figure Saint topic. We were on earlier in the podcast is somebody's got to be in their life. Somebody's gotta believe in somebody's gotta love them. But somebody's gotta push him to believe enough that he will believe it enough to push them. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And you know with and was sad. And we won't and and what we find and law enforcement is that when it is that absentee father. And we find out that these kids act out in just want somebody in life. You know, not you believe in you have to also step back, your one example. And which I still think about the day it brings me tears as a young man built allows volunteered. Or isn't of speaking to kids that will go over the four days a week, and a mother sees more car, and she come off as she didn't know me. She knew my wife. She said all of a sudden, these some hilt, I say what's wrong. She's at must sun flipping tables in the classroom and the teachers are scared death of so I'm like, okay. Seventeen pretty big. Everybody's scared them. I so K whereas yet crazy in he's a third grade third grade, you know, I I said, I'm firm but fair and one thing is, you know, with me, I was raised you will be respectful kid. And I said where's yet? And also I took off my Bill am police built on. I took my belt off. And I said mama rate side, and I waited net apartment in orm out. I've been. And absent father and father was in NFL, which I didn't understand absent father and lived in a project. So the next day pull up that kid is waiting for me at the boys and Girls Club. He just wanted somebody to care about him. And be that Thawra -tarian see a lot of parents want to be friends. You know, you can't be a kid's friend. You know, beat a parent and that kid wanted some structure in his life. And I kid you not that kid every single day for the next two years way to form a village that boys and Girls Club. They think no I've become any called know ten everybody on his dad and east and weekends at the house and no in sometimes in in life. I don't care how much you try to help is going to be that one or two one of those two kids that the matter what you do is not going to work. And I remember say listen in. Everybody. Do here's my kid meditate my wife arrived through where he lived at about a project kitchen gambling. And she would he was she said, I'm hoping my he he will sit. Please don't tell that. Please tell I'm sorry. I won't do an e I told him I said if you can do one semester school once because he always at got kicked out for behavior a student, but kicked off a behave. And I say do one semester in school. I'll adoption and it was a yeah. Yeah. Now during the sender. Oh, man, he didn't make it one gay in public school valley. And and they got kicked out the first day touching girls. And I said, I said, you know, me man, I got a dollar. I said, you know, our hurt you if you touch my daughter's dad, my house all the time. And now, you got me thinking, you know, what would you you know, what you think about when you get my house? So I started a backup. I said, you know, what you case stay all the time. I said, but I'm going to still be there for you. But you can't stay. And until you improve your behavior brother at that point. He it went down. Hugh matter of fact, the if your members go back years ago singing in ESPN all that talked about it. They'll superstar clear out for hokey. And at this point this kid is this was was out there. The superstar kid when we went to a party the same kid that I was gonna stop walked up behind him shot him in the head and stoldas chain. And so I asked myself to this day, meta fact, that you know, he was hiding out in the pride. Nobody can find. And when they came down with the department, they call me the judge assigned paperwork. I said, you know, what they know you're gonna confrontation with law enforcement, especially today time that towns at ten you get shot, you ain't gonna make. So I win look look form found opponent head to consider station. And they came down indictment SF, I can't put handcuffs on because after a love. So they put handcuffs on the left. And I my. Tim wife all the time. I said what if I would have you know, kept him around. You know, you know, even though I would have put my all kids, my daughter in jeopardy or my son in jeopardy because his behavior because he didn't want to change them at home, many positive people you put around him, and my wife had tell me this. She said Mike, don't look at the ones that failed to crack. Look at the ones that we did help. And once that we still can't help. And so at the end of the day, you know, you're not going to be you know, when a hundred you know, win fifteen games that season ASA championship. But you're going to still be victorious at the end of the day is how many of those young men, you lead say, thank you and you change their life. And so I have to take instead of take still thinking about that incident bothers me, you know, as, you know, could I you know, saved at key. But in reality chance save everybody Mike is Jack Harbaugh. I was coaching Forty-six. Years. And as you were telling that story, I mean brought back so many memories of of those youngsters that you got to the point where you had to call them into your office. And you had to tell him that you were you were letting them go, and and the feelings that I had that you have just shared that that I had during those moments and in the way always looked at it was like ninety five one hundred you know, guys in the next room. And you know, we had reached a point where for the good of those youngsters you know, this youngster had to be had to be cut away from your team. And why I have great emotion just listened to you tell that story. I said, but you got you got to focus on good you doing in in people's lives. And that keeps you going because if you contain to think about the one you loss, you don't wanna take a chance I'll give an another kid and opportunities they'd be a part of your life because not only do you change them. They change you that desperate the greatness of it. You know football ups and downs life. Ups and downs. But then we it all makes us bettle. You're listening to attack each day, the Harbaugh's podcast. Make sure to stick around after this podcast to get the latest headlines from the AP news minute. If you like our show, you're going to love the Dan Patrick show on podcast one joined the all-star sports caster for all the excitement of March madness as he breaks all the plays in predicts the outcomes in this year's NCWA tournament. Download the Dan Patrick show every week on podcast one or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Now back to attack each day. The Harbaugh's podcast are lucky sports. Parents feature with Mike Morris here and attack each day, the Harbaugh's podcast, although I kind of want to rename the feature to the lucky sports parents of lucky sports kids because what I've learned each and every week of doing these coach is that these parents, and you here again, this is a father's father wife a husband wife team with the worst about Mike in a moment. But we've had parents fathers moms cetera that are just terrific people. That are also raising these drink kids, the kids are pretty lucky to those no doubt about it. The like like my dad when I listened to you talk. Mike. I mean, it's so many so many things come rushing back to me that I got the same exact perspective as you do as a as a college coach, I really strive to treat the players. Just like, I treat my own kids and treat my own kids. Just like I do the players and with the one difference. I guess when you know, they're your blood, the, you know, there you're there. You're there your own child. I mean. It's it's an unconditional love that remains throughout their lives. And and you know, players there's some conditions. There's some conditions to get get treated like that beloved, son. I mean, you gotta you gotta do. Right. You do get second chances. And you get you get third chances and sometimes even a fourth chance now after about a fourth chance, you know, like four quarters in a football game or three strikes in baseball. I mean, you know, there comes a point where you know, you just you're not you're not doing what what would they have to do? I say like this like, you give us respect, and we will give that respect back to you. And then some. Give us grief. You're gonna know what hits you? Same way, you treat your own kids. The same way you treat the the players and the same way you teach the players you treat your own kids. And nobody's been a better new. I mean, I look back. He's got Milan who's at BC playing basketball. And and now young Mike who's who's coming to Michigan playing football and excelling not just not just doing well in the classroom. We're talking we're talking to three eight three eight nine four point -o type of student, and you guys have have done a tremendous diminish job. Tell us about Mike. I think I doing pretty good matter of fact, gonna get you a copy for you cannot blackmail him. He's been he's in couple of place, and he just finished one. Actually, you know what I shocked me. I know he's going to be that good as an actor and let a had snot overdoes crying Sohar because he was the comic relief, and they get a remake of the movie of the play. What couple? Ooh. But it was. But it was written from a female version. And so when I say a Larry, I you know, I shot out. And I looked remember coach you had my, you know, we never have football player in the theater. And I said I said man, I said, I was nipsy my my he got the look at the blue I and and in talking about voice got the president. Thank you for that. That's first said, you started saying, I was like the first time we met we had to meet a you melting myself. I said theater guy should be theater group made you I mean, we got the number one theater music acting program in the entire country numero Uno my Senate. He's in rector. He's in as a director. You know? So let's let's get them trying out for the fair. Making sense making sense. And right now, he's a. The one lead roles in hairspray. Here's great coming up. I love. Oh. And think it'd be I know he's going to be that good. I went over their head down instead of back. It by see as you know, you know, you want your kid to Googlers now. But then I was like, oh my goodness. I know that during good, and then every parent if everybody in the author of what's in the inefficiency, you know, went up to him. And they were like, wow, I was shocked. Let's go. Let's go. They got get get them up here. We're going to get him some of those plays. They got student plays that they do the first year, then he can then he can try out to get into the theater school mean be be amazing. That'd be our first player player football player in the theater SCO. I think it'd be absolutely absolutely amazing. It's doing higher clue Pierre Thomas people say. I got the island. Mike. How'd you meet your wife? Melanie, I you know, what I was eight please Cintel ahead in so funny. I I kind of them handsome guy, but I'll say for you, Mike. For you, Mike, you're out of the bet I was a bike cop at the time. And she was up in getting a master's degree. Her niece was with the time in in a she stopped the car had a niece get out the car in the entail me to come over there. She wanted to talk to me we exchanged phone numbers in been married ever since. Children. Tell us about your children. Oh god. You know, learn, you know, paying five in sports a lot of parents live vigilant that our kids. That's one thing. I told Mike us at man, I'm trying to get web that I said, you know, we I made him play both of them. I said take to sports you make the commitment. I make a commitment to get you there. If I don't coach the team, I said, I'll train you. And I did too full. And ain't understand why at the time because if you business sports, but time, we get home. And after training, you won't be so tired you nothing going intimate. You're not gonna wanna you on your phone. So you're not gonna have time for social media. And and and specially sports that have at the requirement to go within this particular three point seven GP. You can't play. So you pick to I made them to end, and he kinda stare them into the no, I student into the sport. Because I wanted whatever sports pick both will have the same basis. Of athleticism both start with footwork so one or the my daughter wanted a flag football, they cool if they should get a conditioning, and but also to help with a foot work, then she chose softball. A lot of people don't know she's top ten the nation as a softball player. And and then she said down try for basketball, I said with funky because that's air conditioned. And I like that. A summertime here. Humidity one hundred percent hundred on a percent ma- is torture. Three games a day as torture, and so basketball, and then Masan baseball baseball and football. And you know, it to me. Semi. Did. I want to be good only. Good. He won't be great. If you wanna be great. You're gonna hate whoever's training you because they get you there. An essay, listen, if you wanted you you serious about it. I said you're gonna hate me dead. I want to be good. Okay. Well, they hated me. But but ended the day my daughter got played a year for the state of Florida. And then what's so crazy in tell tell people this. She turned down Harvard, Yale Princeton and girl finished with a five point seven nine GPA. And we and we let her choose your own college in Boston Kazadi ones offered her. And so she chose Boston College not because it great basketball program because you know, sports is somewhat secondary. It was fact that it was harder to get into Boston College than is to Yale Baghdad requirement in testing, and she said I wanted to play against good competition as she chose Boston College for the ACC is dukes get plate of milk. And and it worked on end up being ACC. Freshman all American her first year wrote scoring record at three point record. And all that kind of stuff in the second year. You know, sometimes you. Had to go through something in life to to grow in everything came easy for so it ended up getting rid of the coach and bought a new coach. So now she has new trials and tribulations in another test of faith. And so she doesn't fit the coaches offense. So now, it's like a rude awakening. Now, you have to reinvent yourself the clue detained go forward. And so I love it. I love the fact that she's getting challenged. Now, I love that fat because life is going to give you a whole bunch of challenges. Something's you're not going to know what to do and you're gonna have to fall down, and it's not. But what happens when you fall down is all about what happened get up. Still had a good year the unfortunate loss in the ACC tournament. And a matter of fact, just flew back a last week from our spring break. In fact, they will know, Mike. I, you know, I told him I said you're gonna if you wanna be great. You're gonna hate me even for lily, Mike, Mike when Mike was five because he will. So big yet play with eight manuals and eight nine years was scared of 'em. Parents used to get on me when I coast practice. He had that one. Parents it my kids should be starting. He's ten years old. That's okay. I said, Mike, you're you're six live in front of tink ten year old kid and micro put them down ten yo kissed are crying. And they mom I said, please let us coach, you know, we're gonna put your kid in the best position. But I just wanted to show you. He not ready for football. So now does this way of coach getting back at one parent. Segue list a little bit. Yeah. And I didn't want to feel like I'm cutting you off there. But. Keep pushing keep pushing him because I know we had a we had a couple starters graduated that defensive end position but so far through winter conditioning and in spring ball. Some guys have really stepped up to quit e pay at the defensive end and Hutchinson. It the defense of and there's some guys coming along. David Joe bows in here right now as a mid year, so Julius wells cough, a bevy guys a really doing good. I think you're gonna love this too. Because it's going to really help help Mike Sean new our defensive line coach. Now, he's got I missed opportunity meeting them went on Dom Brown coat crown on. He's really got these guys running up front. I'm a are running. I'm not saying sideline to sideline. But I mean, it's midfield to sideline. It's it's numbers to numbers really putting an emphasis on on speed and running from the from the deep. Offensive imposition. I know that it'd be a strike the Mike so keep pushing them can't wait to get them here. All right. Tell you itching itching to come potato our before we let you go Mike questionably all the lucky sports parents here on the podcast as Mike who originally had been a Florida say commit, which is you're a modern he came up for a visit earliest timber this past year this past season and he decided to make a commitment to Michigan. What made let his decision to become a Michigan wolverine. I tell you. It's people man. I I raised my kids to end of the day decision's to be you on that sleeping in the door. And the dorms have change from one thousand nine hundred seven to two thousand nineteen I says, you'll be your decision guy along the way. And so we taught kids to you, you seek good people in my dream was you know, it might be the cabinet floor state, and then honorary captain right beside. We don't Java that that was where my dreams, but then and I coach I. Took my Michigan his showed him. Why a flip the Bill? I I wanted to show him why he should come. And I could not find not that even to the equipment managed the gap. Clete if nothing, but a bunch of good people and Michigan, and and when might put hit Mike was always a back. Daddy, we got his guy take it got out. You'll love these coaches. I said man cooks coach at you know. And but when I took him there. Hey, I, you know, I'll tell my wife, I say bad thing. I got one MO play of eligibility. Maybe lowest TV Cam. I see. I couldn't find anything making it exceeded my expectations and as a dad you want your kid to be around great men because you want your kids, it'd be better off and two three years. He was when we left, right? And so, and that's and that's what I'm more proud of of anything is that I could see my son maturing into a great man leaving here, a great young man, but become an up at a man, and I'm content. I and for the Michigan fans, I trade him a gun and go go blue. Hey, mike. This is Jim feeling is mutual. And I remember, of course, I, you know, I love Mike del for the moment. I met him a comes in with the transcript that amidst got as all over it. And then he walks through a door, and he he literally fills the entire door. The width of the door the height of the door. And it gives you a great handshake, and looks you in the eye, but as much as I might as I liked my you and Melanie with two of my favorite people parents that have ever recruit. I remember that first meeting. I mean, it was supposed to be a fifteen minute me. Remember, Mike, Matt Dudek said, hey, you know, you got fifteen minutes here. And that that conversation that sit down with two hour, and and if felt like it was fifteen minutes, but it went two hours. Just just you know, dad like you just I I with a pair you're connecting the game. He played I played and just full fill philosophy or raising kids. And I'm you you feel like you're just in like stem all the way. That's that's the way I felt about that. Visit and then the several that we had afterwards as well. Okay. I'm appreciative thankful, and you know, like, I tell you before and you do to say, I leave him putting foot too. But so you could take you on that tradition for me. I would highly. Appreciate your independent a young, man. And I don't I don't brag about my marquees. Get mad at them. You know, you're always putting us down said. No, I'm not I say, I don't brag on you all because I want you to get the big air. Economically state is I'm looking forward. 'cause I'm kinda scared to see what he's going to be windy, you know, because he's never been pushed. And when I say when he was a years old he had to play the ten year olds any when he was six seventy had to play the Lebanon twenty high school was so easy. And the only time he we played against great competition was unfortunately to the playoffs. So then he's going against the six five six seven three hundred Powell. And I say, okay, I said Mogae growing quality app is everyday. I'm kinda I'm I'm looking forward to seat him to charity rose as man, but also to athletic because I want to see him get pushed and see what what you know, God has an stole form. Because you get a surprise. I could tell you that, you know, you know, you're gonna get a prize, man. Everybody's shocked nearby got a kid coming this hungry. And because it's been told you only got offers 'cause your day. So that's why you'll see it on his Twitter. Sometimes you say. Tell me that when I was at I. I'll tell you what that's a good one that motivation. It does it does and see people element. You you're going to get an offers in ninth grade us 'cause you're death it now 'cause you six five thirty ninth grade hang at thirteen fourteen thousand ninety tackles and a bunch of touchdowns. You know, as it feels before south as paying film can't lie kiss. Right. So you know, like, I say, I'm I'm he's hungry, man. You know, you're by keep kinda made the as good as dead. I'm like now eight bed. I'm happy to take the baton and run with it. And it it's easy when they've come from a home where they've been loved and they've been believed in and they've been they've been nurtured and pushed it makes it a heck of a lot easier for me as a coach to you know, just continue that and return the fine young man that you and Melanie of raised, and and we'll continue to motivate him and push him. And I found that you don't have to motivate the ones that are already motivating those are the those are the best. You're right. You're right. Especially those got some this year. Got some this year. Thank you, Mike. Appreciate your time. Gentlemen, be safe. And I got I got some warm temperatures in the mail or your show. Melanie, we said a low not a prom that you might wanna coming up next Czech talk here and attack each state, the Harbaugh's podcast. This is Jack talk. I wanna listen I want to be better. I want to be the best. I can be welcome to our team. Jack talk as you get older you get to be seventy eight years old. Here's what I find here grows in places that it hadn't been before. Welcome to hashtag, Jack talk. It's now time for everybody's favorite segment of the week here and attack each day, the Harbaugh's podcast. It's time Ford, Jack talk. What do you have this week, Jack? This is kind of off the wall. But I've got to share this with you. I mean, just I just been waiting for this moment of our podcast where I could share this. It's been coming on for a couple of weeks. Number one. Why in the world do we have to wash tiles? I can't grasp at you know, you gotta tell you're in the shower, you water, it comes flowing over here, and all whatever's down the drain, then you soap yourself up, and you have this body Soper stuff that that you use and your body's just as clean as it can possibly be. Then you step out of the shower, and you use a towel what possibly could soil tau when your crystal clean lake that with someone explained that to me, I've never thought about that. It probably goes up along with the do you drive on a Parkway in park in a driveway question because we don't have an answer that either maybe because the towels get wed, and there could be like a mill Dewey thing if two hundred put a towel dries, right? You hang dry. You don't you? Don't any reuse. It. So, but they, but they do eventually they start to not feel or smells fresh, so but then they're not clean, but they're not as fresh. So maybe we just want the freshness. Maybe the fr- maybe that's here's the other one back when I was starting out. I just started shave. Yo you had this little fuzz on your face. And you felt it was time. Right. And you took out a razor at Gillette razor the old Gillette. You put a little blade, then you screw it in and the top folded over and you shave cut your face off. I mean, you're bleeding. I mean, it's dripping down there. So many blood marks on your face. And then eventually get pretty good at it. I mean, you could go up, but you could go down you go around. And you got you got a nice shave. Then these electric razors came neuronal. Remember? Why didn't they catch on more? They don't they don't give you a clean a perfect clean Shaef. Oh, I can tell you without question. Now when I could tell you because now I don't go to the perfectly right now. And I don't miss discussion may not be appropriate for the last time. I was clean shaven perfectly clean shaven was my first marriage. So. But when you if like, an I'll go to not, but I would even go like the cheeks won't go full smooth down because it would have to be a straight rate that'd be regular razor. If I do an electric of any kind. They're still stubborn will not get perfect. It just I don't know. What the why why can't? But even now like you can use like a one blade razor or two earth. There's only certain razors that will get all the spots. Anyway. Otherwise, you still feel like you have like random stuff on your face. So now, I'm going to the I've never been a big fan of like that in the world goes like the three ones that you see they just never seem to give me a perfect shape. How explained to me we can put a man on the moon. We can speak to someone. That's little robots on Mars, and we can't develop a razor. That's got a motor. Well, I'll say that the first things you're talking about did involve Michigan men. So maybe we need to get a Michigan person on the Roko thing on this on this razor thing might be the ashes of your problems one last thing. Now, we've we've bathed and we've shaved. And now, we're brushing our teeth the morning brushing my teeth, and I wonder this might be one of those things that people might want to podcast respond to do we brush our teeth? Exactly the same way every single day. I mean, do we go up and across chance no chance I change it every day on purpose. I just I'm here to tell you. I think you do it the same way every single day. I think that's a habit. We talk about habits. Good habits bad habits. I don't think I'm gonna now I'm going to chart this MacKenzie jump in. I'm gonna honestly I'm gonna shirt this on state high daughter, but Dennis come on. Now. Come on Oprah, sir. Denis. But all he tells us is that it's much more important to brush at night than in the morning. I'm not good at that. So at night when you're sleeping. That's where all that plaque. I want you to know all the things. We've talked about on the podcast. I think that's the most important thing that we've discussed because I wished I did. So when you when you you need to brush your teeth at night because when you're sleeping, that's when the plaque is like festering, and then when you in the morning, people brush, just for the breath, really because you have you know, your morning breath and whatnot. But it's not as important in the morning as it is at night. So when in doubt brushing twice, you should brush, you should brush morning and night. But if you only picking one pick the night because that's the most important why we use that flaws stuff is that good. So that's where like plaque and stuff will build up between your teeth. I'm bad about flaw seen. I need to be better. It also builds stronger gums, so when people have like red and inflamed gums, it's because they're not flaw seeing. Because when you floss it helps build those strong. Gums on. But also get that junk out that's between your teeth that also causes like, bad breath and stuff like that. But I do have an answer to your towel question too. So I was just doing some research on apparently when you're tells are wet it's like a breeding ground for four bacteria. So they can have yeast mold and E coli growing on them Fourche without you, even knowing it. So that regular washing prevents the bacteria from growing because that damp environment is like the breeding ground for bacteria. So that they say you should wash your towels every four times you use them. So they don't say they don't go by days they go by times because they figure hopefully it's about every four days not every four week, right Hicks. Brought that up one of the thing here quickly. I was going through the the ball games on Saturday. And I ran into bowling green state university playing against buffalo buffalo, I think is a succeed. They are. They're real good really playing. Well, and they're a game. I watch a lot of that Gannon down for a while. And then eventually they pulled out in the second half they lost. And I'm reminded of they mentioned that bowling green had not been to an NC double A tournament since nineteen sixty eight and I flashed back nine hundred sixty eight was my first year as an assistant football coach at bowling green. Under Don Neilan, he was the head coach Jody was born in August of nineteen sixty eight and the wood county hospital and I'm thinking back. So basically in her lifetime since she was born at that hospital. They have not made it to the NC double. That's my point. It was staggering to think about that. But then remembering Jack in in my time at. Boeing green from nine hundred fifty seven to nineteen sixty one. We had an outstanding basketball team three of the great players at bowling green all played during that area era. One was Jimmy Darrow. Great great. Point guy. Fifty two points in two games in one thousand nine hundred sixty one against Toledo were George Patterson grandfather shape. Patterson was the starting center for Toledo Jimmy Darrow. Put fifty two points on them and no three point line and no shot clock. And he and he very seldom ever shot a foul shot. They so he wasn't a drive guy. I mean, he only show like one hundred and fifty foul shots in an entire season. So they were all around where the three point range is he had twenty two field goals in that game. You imagine most people if you shoot have twenty two times, I mean, they're ready to ready to pull you out. But a great story of that game in one thousand nine hundred sixty at the game. Jackie was a cheerleader about twenty minutes before the game the lights went out. It was totally darkened the gym except for some exhilarate lights scoreboard was out. They held the game up for about a half. Hour forty five minutes trying to figure out what was wrong couldn't figure out. So they played the game. And they had to show the score. They would hold up a piece of paper at timeouts and like a boxing matches where the gal walks around with the card letting know what route like you don't know what round it is. I mean, come on. They'd hold up the score. And that's the way it went. He scored fifty two points. It was an overtime and bowling green won the game. Jimmy, Darrell got fifty two points. But the story is I can tell this story now statue of limitations may run out. But we had a a friend of ours and a football player on our team. His his wife was also a cheerleader with Jackie. And before the game. He got a little upset, you know, she was a cheerleader and all that. So he and your he ran into another friend, and he's decided what they were going to do. So the story is told I have no idea whether this is true or not. But this is a story that he told us that they decided his friend was on the track team, according to him. He he threw the javelin. But I don't even think we had the javelin at bowling green at the time. So I have no idea, but he said he took a javelin and through it and knocked us transistor. At the arena. And that's what darkened art into the Rena. And he went for pretty much a lifetime without without sharing that story. And finally that story has been been shared. So we do some research on that. And find out what it what the truth of that that particular story might be. So was he throwing a javelin anywhere near the Superdome? A few years ago. That's a great point. I think I know the guy that has the javelin had sin had passed before the Super Bowl. And don't think this guy that I know could throw a javelin from here to that wall. So so there might there. No credence to that particular store. I was I have some ties to the buffalo team to a friend of a really good friend of mine who's passes friends with the head coach NATO's, a Romulus guy the head coach puff alot. But I was watching the game. And obviously I'm rooting for Nate. I want us to do. Well, he's got some guys local guys in his team, but they kept bringing up the nine hundred sixty eight and it's bowling green. So I was pulling for your squad, Jack I was pulling for the falcons, and I figured if they'd one we do is e zoom or two here on the show today. And one quick lash point also on that team with Jimmy Darrow. I believe he was either a freshman or a south my was Nate Thurman. He was a big six eleven guy tall skinny guy at doubling green went on to be a great pro. He's in the pro hall of fame might have played on the same team with Wilt Chamberlain back with the Golden State Warriors lived in San Francisco, and when Jim was coaching the San Francisco forty nine. Owners Nate was in town. And he did a couple TV shows in one of them was a shift. He was a chef. And they they had food about a half hour of a food show on there. And I used to watch it every time not so much that I was interested in being a chef. But that I enjoyed seeing Nate again. And since then he has has passed and might have played with the Cleveland Cavaliers if anonymous taken as well he played he is from Akron, Ohio, bowling green was a nine hundred sixty three first round pick third overall. He played with the warriors. The bulls for a couple of years mainly the warriors also did play a season as you said with the Cleveland Cavaliers, and here's the stat. Now, it's why I wanted to pull it because I knew that there was an amazing stat about him. But he was the first player in NBA history to record an official quadruple double. So that's blocks, rebounds, assists, and rebounds, assists, blocks and points. And he also a nine hundred sixty five he grabbed forty two rebounds in a game. Nate. Thurman did forty two rebounds in game. Most teams don't get forty two rebounds in a game. And I did a little research as well. At bowling green against Mississippi State at bowling green, memorial gym, he had thirty one rebounds while in a college basketball game, which still of course, a bowling green record. He was first of all American nine hundred sixty three learning a little bit of bowling green here on Jack talk here and attack. Stay the Harbaugh. One other guy. I want to bring up a let me see if I l Bianchi another name. He's a bowling green guy. Okay. He played an early. Fifties. Went on to play a longtime with the Knicks and might have been in their front office. General manager had a very high of front office job with the Knicks. He had a record at bowling green state university. He was thrown out a fourteen basketball games to occur. That's a record to reason all those thirty one rebounds and fifty two points for some reason. I I'm pulled toward the agenda. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 1 - Chris Mannix (02-26-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 1 - Chris Mannix (02-26-19)

"It's all about me. Dan, Patrick gas. There is more where that came from click back for new episodes all week. Log Geico presents unhelpful home improvement. How To's a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills? So today, I'll show you how to cook a serious fall by filling your bathroom with thousands of plastic balls. Just now a piece of plywood across the doorway and dump in two thousand multicolored plastic balls, you could try to protect yourself with a bathroom full of plastic balls or you could get liability coverage through the Geico insurance agency, visit geiko dot com and see how affordable renter's insurance can be here. He is in the Mercedes men. K now we're talking, Dan. Patrick, welcome to the program. It's hour one Dan in the danettes Dan Patrick show. Lot of drama. Lot of things to talk about a new home for the Dan Patrick show. We'll talk about that little bit as well. Part of the program. Eight seven seven three DP show, Email address DP, Dan, Patrick dot com. Twitter handle with DP show, say good morning to our TV partners direct TV the audience network channel two thirty nine in the NBC sports network. Be like getting touch with the program you can in a variety of ways. Mclovin poll question, we got a great play of the day a couple of stats of the day as well. The NFL descends on Indianapolis this week. It's the annual scouting. Combine you get to watch the forty yard. Dash you get to watch bench presses and cone drills, of course. But the real drama happens off camera after you work out players, then are sequestered in a hotel room. You do interviews with the teams, and you're hit with a myriad of questions then in the bars and restaurants around Indianapolis executives have discussions with agents. And with each other that could shape the off season. And there's plenty to talk about you have potential free agents and lay the unveil Nick foles Antonio Brown. And his future is gonna come up a lot maybe Odell Beckham junior's name comes up. And then there's the owners gonna try to figure out what the league does with Robert Kraft. How would the league discipline him? And would be interesting to be a fly on the wall this week in Indianapolis. We may not see immediate results. But in a couple of weeks, I think will definitely see the fruits of conversations that started in Indianapolis. And I do think that Antonio Brown is going to find a home soon lady on bell may have to wait a little bit. Hand size is gonna come up because there's already a report Hans ICS hand size for Cuyler Murray. I saw this from Tom Pella Cerro. The NFL network. Does a great job covering the league. The latest size question about Cuyler Murray is whether or not his hands are big enough. There's not a quarterback in the NFL that has a smaller hand, then like a nine nine inch hand the span of the thumb to the pinky an NFL executive told Pella, Sarah, they say Cuyler Murray's hand could be eight and five eighths or eight and seven eighths. Now now now you can't spread that rumor he's not going to have a future in the NFL. Just look at his hands. Now, the unnamed NFL scout added he's got a good arm for a guy that size. You do see him at times not being able to spin it, you see it come out pretty good. But if you're looking at the college ball and counting revolutions on the actual stripes. It doesn't look like there's a ton of velocity just buzzing off his hand. Now, I can say from first-hand knowledge the ball comes off Cuyler Murray's hands with a buzz when he joined us in Atlanta. And when he was throwing the football he had some giddy up on their this is a baseball player football player. There is some velocity there. Yes, Seton O comes explosive. It was incredibly for a guy with small hang xactly far the hardest quarter the quarterback to come through the set of any. A year that we've ever done this and threw the ball the hardest by far and we're talking about when we had Aaron Rodgers joining us. And and granted it's this is unsigned Tiffin. But I will say when Cuyler Murray was zip in the ball to mclovin he was there was some steam on there. So I'm not buying with this NFL. Scout is saying that it doesn't look like there's a ton of loss ity just buzzing off his hand. Yes. Boeing I have the NFL hand size measurements from the combine the official hand size measurements from the past five or six years. Now, the guy who is the highest ten point one four inch end point two five inches so ten and a quarter inches, which would dictate man. This guy's got big hands. He's going to work out in the NFL. That was Paxton Lynch, Dan and the guy with the lowest hand measurement at the NFL combine in the past. Oh, gosh. Six years. He was the starting quarterback for the Rams and the Super Bowl Jared Goff nine inch hands. All right. This is where you know, you're paralysis by now faces. We're gonna you're gonna talk yourself into not taking him. And granted if you don't want to take him don't take. I'm not worried about his Hansen's. I'm not worried about is hype. I wanna know if he's a gym rat. Does he love the game? He says that he's always been a football player. And that's why you know, really wasn't that tough decision. It was tough telling the Oakland A's he wasn't gonna play baseball. But he's a football guy. I wanna know if you're there first guy in I want to know, if you're the last guy out, do you just are you a sponge to being, you know, trying to be great new NFL that that's that's my biggest question. I have with Cuyler. Mer are you all in? If you have some adversity are you going to second guess, and then maybe wanna go back to baseball. Those would be things that I would want to know. But when I saw him throw the ball to mclovin, there was some absolute zip on that sauces, the kids like to say, yes, mclovin. You know? I know you're saying it doesn't matter that I see Jew breeze and Russell Wilson over ten. I feel like I sort of want you want to know something concrete you want it like a tip or something. So I tend to believe I wanna believe hand size. Although you're saying, okay. So Jared Goff camp lie. Yeah. I know he's a nine on this list. I guess not Tony Romo was famously under nine. Yeah. He was pretty good. I think you talk yourself either inner out, and you may do both here leading up to the combine after the combine leading up to the draft Cuyler Murray can play if you are going to open up your offense open up your playbook and say Cuyler murs our quarterback. This is how we're going to display him not expose him. But I'm going to use all of his traits to his advantage to our advantage. Then fun. I think that he'll be he'll be successful in the NFL. I do I do believe that he's different. And I love that. He's different. I love that. We're getting out of that. You gotta be six four, and you got to have a rocket, arm and way, two hundred and thirty five pounds. Oh, you don't not with today's NFL not with today's NFL quarterback. I don't get caught up in Hanson is even he can run a four to forty that. Doesn't change my opinion on him. I expect him to be fast. There's a strategy in running now in the NFL you protect yourself. Also, Peter King reported that Keiler Murray's up to two hundred six pounds. Okay. I think I wanna know if you can take a hit what part of the brilliance of Kyla Murray is he doesn't take a hit berry. Sanders. Didn't take a hit. And I like in Cuyler Murray to a berry Sanders type quarterback is he's unique. He's different. And that's why I'm the cardinals. I go all in on Cuyler Murray. Because if I'm bringing cliff Kingsbury, I'm going all in on changing my offense if philosophy and who better than to bring in the guy that he said if he was an NFL coach, and they had the number one pick. He would take Murray. Mike Florio from pro football talk will join us coming up a little later on in the show, Chris Mannix from Sports Illustrated will stop by the streak is ended for James harden. But not without a valiant effort had twenty eight points and in the final eight seconds. The Atlanta Hawks I think had four guys guarding James harden. They ran a it was like a box in one. But it was the other way they had four on him. And then one on everybody else. And James harden streak has come to an end in made us think about this streak has been incredible with what he's been able to do. And it goes back to you know, Wilt Chamberlain has the all time record. So he went sixty five consecutive games with at least thirty points or more harden was not even halfway there. He was thirty two games. And then after that, it's wilt with thirty one wilt with twenty-five wilt with twenty consecutive games with at least thirty points. Why is? That we don't recognize Wilt Chamberlain. It feels like we recognize Babe Ruth a mythical type figure that he was hitting more home runs than teams were. You know, he was Babe Ruth. We don't look at will Chamberlain the same way and babe did this in the twenties will was doing this in the sixties and early part of the seventies. Any put up incredible numbers? But it feels like now the only player we really recognize. Well, we recognize Jerry West is a great and Oscar Robertson as a great from that era of today's players where you go. Yeah. They could they could play with today's players mayor vich a little bit. But he came in. I think in one thousand nine hundred seventy but it feels like we'll Chamberlain. We look at it and go, you know, he was he played in a different league. Now, you can say well integration. Didn't the league wasn't fully integrated. Mclovin. Do you have we'll Chamberlain numbers against Bill? Russell in their head to head matchups. Could you could you find that out? I'll ask stats right now because you're going to be blown away by that. And I will say that when we'll play were there guys who weren't great centers. Yes. Great athletes. Absolutely. Absolutely. I witnessed that when I saw wilt against the Cincinnati royals. But. It's not his fault. But I think we've you it as you know, now that Wilt Chamberlain guy. He's scored one hundred and a game like he was an alien and is put on this earth, and then taken take it away. And then we sort of forget that wilt was dominating. But we don't acknowledge when the when the topic comes up greatest players of all time. We'll chamberlain's name never comes up. Really doesn't he didn't win enough, but he was going against the Celtics every single year, but I'm going to guess his head to head matchup with Bill Russell, arguably, maybe it's not arguably the greatest defensive center of all time, I'm gonna guess that will probably averaged mid to upper thirties and at least twenty five rebounds. That's just going to be my guest here. But we do not acknowledge we'll Chamberlain. We have forgot about him. And he's one of the most athletic players who's ever played the game. He led the league and assist. He led the league and feel go percentage led the league in blocked shots. He led he whatever you wanted him to do. He was going to do. Now. Could he be misconstrued was the amount content where their problems with him? He wasn't a great team player. You can you know, they're always those whispers about him. But he always lost a Bill Russell and Bill. Russell played with a better. Coach better teams. Yes. Mclovin. So I have numbers sat has gone back, but stats. A pro basketball reference says that wilt scored twenty nine point nine against Bill Russell okay regular season. But Bill Russell one fifty seven out of ninety four games. His record was fifty seven thirty seven. Okay. So against the greatest defensive center of all time, you have thirty points, and I'm going to guess he probably average close to twenty five rebounds twenty eight twenty twenty eight rebounds. Yep. So he was thirty twenty eight in his career against Bill. Russell his free-throw percentage was only forty nine percent of those games. So that was a big problem. Yes. It was. Yes. But why isn't will to head of shack? He's not a head of a Kim. I mean, there are a lot of centers just centers that he's not in front of. But we have looked at will Chamberlain like this anomaly who he like we sort of made him up. There's no video of when he scored a hundred points. Like, oh, did it really happen? Like, you know walking on the moon. Now, he sort of Neil Armstrong. But we acknowledge the alarm song. We don't acknowledge we'll Chamberlain. Yeah. Paulie, Wilt Chamberlain like the the the person who's leading the NBA rebounds. This year is averaging fifteen rebounds a game wilt chamberlain's worst season. He averaged eighteen rebounds, a game was worse. His first six years in the pros will Chamberlain average forty two points, twenty five rebounds, three assists. It's kind of. Kevin Durant dish it will. Yeah. Look tali. Of course, he shoots over everybody. Well, I'll luau cinder Kareem Abdul-Jabbar you got that as well. Like, we never embraced the big, man. It's rare when you re embrace the big man, and I just thought with Wilt Chamberlain with that streak. You sort of look at Hammond's fifty point four points a game in a season. So we got fifty every single night. You know, the best out of season is he averaged forty eight and a half minutes a game. There's only four minutes a game he played every single minute. And then some he never fouled out in his career. Never did. But it's he it was never enough with Wilt Chamberlain. Never. So I'm always amazed. When you look at the top ten list where Israel chamber is he in the top ten of greatest players of all time because I'm going to guess bird and magic are considered better than will Chamberlain. Oscar Koby shack. Yes. Mclovin. Is it possible though? He's not on that. He's only other like he doesn't count in that. Why doesn't he count? He's is it his own category. Nobody Ryan you can't rank him. Not consider the greatest player of all time. Babe Ruth is considered the greatest player of all time. Right. And that was in the twenties when baseball wasn't even integrated. But we why is it we wilt or Babe Ruth to be recognized and almost growing with legendary status and wilt we've diminished a seven foot one guy. Yeah. Pulling slam magazine has their list came out last year top hundred players of all time, and they have Wilt Chamberlain eight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. You know, LeBron is up there in front of him. Right. The bronze top three. Yes. So, but if you run down the list, I don't know where we'll is going to show up on that list with people because you go. Oh, by the way, wilt, you never lead with will. Yes. He well is always on these lists right near Tim Duncan. I just went through three of them. And they were right next to each other. I think people would look at Tim Duncan as better than we'll Chamberlain because he won more titles. Even though Wiltz the most dominating force to have ever played the game. We'll average more rebounds per game than Tim Duncan average points per game. Yeah. For two is anything to do with not being as dramatic in you know, wild in his play. Just kind of you know, it was all business. There was nothing that stood out as far as these some kind of incredible highlights that would make it stand out like when you see Kobe and Shaq. Nobody nobody saw Oscar Robertson play. Nobody. I was there and you still have people today who call him Oscar Robinson. So we got caught up in a triple double with the big, oh, his numbers are great. He was a great collegian. Olympian, but nobody saw him play. So you hear these people you get these lists and the go we got to put Oscar any average a triple debt will could've averaged a triple double. If you said to will I need you to average triple double he'd go. All right. Why? Or what is it triple double? Yeah. Polling most triple doubles all time NBA history. One big man on the list. Wilt Chamberlain is six all-time with seventy eight triple doubles in his career. There's no player at the center position on that list. Yeah. Other than him. I mean, he was unique. But it just dawned on me when I saw this list with James harden in it's an it's an incredible streak for James harden. But it's over you know, he's had twenty eight last night. But then you look at wilt he had sixty five consecutive games where scored at least thirty points. Yes. Mclovin. There's one image of Oscar Robertson. I don't know if you guys know this one, he's grabbing a rebound. He's six feet in the air and is lakes splinter that was it Cincinnati. I have that picture autographed by the big, oh, he's back. That's one thing where you see while he's physically superior to every person on that court that that's my lasting image of Oscar Robertson was he dominant was he liked the Kobe of his generation. I remember. Okay. So I saw him with the Cincinnati royals, and this is the latter part of his career Cincinnati. And then he was traded to Milwaukee, it Milwaukee he wasn't that explosive point guard anymore, but Oscar was so much at six five and a point guard back then that was unique and he was physically dominating against players, but he didn't play on a good team. And nobody went to see the Cincinnati royals. Folks. More people saw him as Cincinnati bearcat, then Cincinnati Royal because I remember going to games to see the opposition come to town. But for all of these people who cover the NBA, they're very few who saw Oscar Robertson play unless you saw him in Milwaukee, and he led Milwaukee with Louison door to an NBA title. But the only reason why he's recognized or remembered is because he averaged a triple double, I don't I don't mean to diminish the big O as much as I want to elevate will Chamberlain or, you know, want to know why he's not included in any conversation. When it comes to great big men. It's Kareem Akeem. Shack. And then. Oh, yeah. We'll we'll but. Oh, yeah. Wilt was so dominating. And I just don't think that he he was a great volleyball player they outlawed the dunk because will Chamberlain. He played with the globe truck. Like, he was just a unique guy. But if it feels like we're we were caught up more in wilt, and the number of women that he hooked up with like or even a movie, you know, he was in a movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger. But but it felt like it still feels like you look back on wilt, and we don't acknowledge those stats. Oh, well, well, wait a minute. We acknowledged Babe Ruth stats. Yes. Mclovin. Yeah. No. I in Philly will special to be his Overbrook, and Kansas like he was a track athlete to like. He was everybody athlete if any shorter play. Right. Well, he was up there. You know, when you when you think of Zion Williamson, you know, luau cinder was Zion. Williamson because you got him out of New York. And he went to Los Angeles to play for UCLA. Now how he got there. All right. Maybe you'd have a question or two, but will ends up going to Kansas out of Philadelphia. He was he was the Zion. Williamson. Or maybe we should say that Zion is the, you know, the Lew Alcindor will Chamberlain, you know, when they were coming up. I was reading about them. You didn't see him. But I remember at power memorial seeing luau cinder never saw him in person. I saw him when he got to the NBA. In fact, I saw the first game he played against Bill Walton they played at the university of Dayton. And so I got to see a lot of Kareem throughout his career. But in high school it was such a big deal and then his freshman team. At UCLA beats the varsity team in the varsity team won the national championship. Like that's big time stuff zion's, a wonderful player in college and certainly in high school, but you forget like Lew Alcindor to me was is still underrated. He's the most graceful basketball player I've ever seen and he is seven feet two inches tall. Explain that. All right. We'll take a break. Chris Mannix will join us. We'll talk about LeBron's latest comments. How do you lose? To memphis. Can you hit the activator button? Again. I got to get him a Johnny oh Twitter button. Maybe that'll help him there. You lose to bad teams. You lose to New Orleans without Anthony Davis, and LeBron's had some comments where he was pointing fingers, and I think pointing a finger at himself, and rightfully so. So we'll talk to Chris Mannix about the Laker latest Laker defeat here. Dan, Patrick show. Brought to you by legalzoom not a law firm. But that's a good thing. Because they don't Bill you by the hour nationwide network of independent attorneys. They can review contracts help with employment laws in more. Go to legalzoom dot com today for special savings enter Patrick check out. Legalzoom dot com back after this. Okay. This is just a thirty second commercial. And I'm gonna throw a lot of numbers that you, please. Please stay with me. And just fifteen minutes. You could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. 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So he said it starts with me. And then goes on to say this at this point of view are still allowing distractions to affect you. How to weigh you play? Then this is this is the wrong franchise would be a part of and you should just come and be like, listen, I Don I can't do this seriously viewers distracted by playoff pushes. And all the stuff that's been talked about as you just it's coming to your job. We do our. Job at a high level. It's not a distraction. That's that's what you want us. You want every game. You wanna feel like you fight for some right? And this on the heels of an anonymous NBA executive saying LeBron James quote killed the Lakers chemistry with that. We bring in Chris Mannix who covers the association. Hi, chris. How are you? What's happening, Dan? Well, let me start with these comments with the NBA executive saying he's killed their chemistry. And also with the comments of you can't deal with these distractions. Then you shouldn't be in Los Angeles. Well, I think with the chemistry question, and I've heard this from from various people over the last year. Really? Yeah. But he gave his trade demand became public. I it's not hard. In fact, it's almost expected for some of the young players in that locker room who came into the season believing that, you know, LeBron wanted to kind of grow with them to build a winner with them. All of a sudden you have LeBron say I'd love to play with Anthony Davis. You have Anthony Davis was represented by LeBron's agent. Trying to orchestrate a deal to the Lakers. And you have the Lakers trait offers becoming very public. It's not hard for them to to to look at this and say, well, he doesn't want us her and they have that adversely affect the chemistry within that locker room. So it's not like LeBron's going in there and saying, you know, you guys are all terrible. But if you connect the dots a little bit it's easy to see how the players can feel. Feel like he doesn't fully believe that. Yeah. And I could understand there's a little bit of unrest in there. And there is a lack of chemistry there. If I know that that guy wanted me traded now, I know I got to be a professional. But that guy was going to trade me once Anthony Davis in here, if I'm Luke Walton, I know that my days are numbered as well, this is because LeBron brought this attention and distraction to Los Angeles. Nobody else did he did it. And I think that, you know, take ownership of that take blame of that. And this is when I want a great player to be great. You don't lose to Memphis. You're not losing to New Orleans without Anthony Davis. You know, this this is more alarming than it than it should be at this time of the year. And look the the Memphis game in particular what bra needs to take ownership in. I mean, he put up a very kind of west rookie in line. There was eight for twenty three from the floor. You know, just was inefficient all the way around defense hasn't been good all season long. And this the scheduled, Dan is, you know, not good for the Lakers coming down the stretch here. These are the games they have to win themselves even a punchers chance of getting back into the playoff mix without those winds. I think it's going to be a heart heart health decline. Reggie Miller said yesterday that he thinks it's better for the Lakers not to make the playoffs. And my point is making the playoffs is about Magic Johnson. And LeBron James or LeBron James and Magic Johnson. It's it's a pride factor. More than anything else. What do you think about making the playoffs? They're not making the plants which best I think there's something to all that. But I do think that making the playoffs. If you're looking to make it deal this off season with. Pelicans making the playoffs at least gives your young players and nother platform another chance to prove ourselves. Now. One of the things that people look at the Boston assets in Davis trade and say, well, Jaylen Brown's numbers are down this year. Terry Rozier numbers are down this year. Both those guys were terrific in the playoffs last year. Jim Brown averaged eighteen points per game in the plant flasher terrors year was maybe the second best point guard in Eastern Conference playoffs last year making the plan. Not only has you know, the the pri- value. But it also gives has, you know, real tangible value in kinda showcasing these players for potential deal. And I started to look at that with it feels like you could get Jalen Brown. You could get Tatum. You could get Rozier and maybe their draft pick from Memphis in in that feels like that might be a better deal for New Orleans, and maybe New Orleans is made up their mind. They're just not trading. Anthony Davis to the Lakers. I you would know better than I would. But. If I'm if I'm a free agent. I'm looking at what's going on with the Lakers. This is an attractive at all. You're there. Chris sorry. You dropped out the last part. Yeah. I don't I don't this wouldn't this situation in LA is not attractive right now. And if I got LeBron playing like this at thirty four like, why would I sign up for the long haul here? Yeah. I it's this off season. I mean, I don't think you could understate just how important it is for the Lakers. Because if they don't get it guy, you have to spend four it a little bit too dead. I mean, look at the summer of two thousand twenty if they don't get a guy in two thousand nineteen maybe they can lure Anthony Davis and twenty twenty but that's a wrist because he may sign with the team that acquires him other than that you're looking at Draymond green. You're looking at a bunch of restricted guys. And you're looking at LeBron h thirty six season and wondering how we could have put together a winner around them. I'm with you on the the freight and stuff, and that's why we have never talked about. And I have never heard the. Top level guys. The guys that are out there right now this summer, none of them are listing the Lakers as their top choice. It's kawai. And and and the clippers of the raptors, you know, Kevin Durant, certainly seems earmark Golden State or the Knicks. I it's it's gonna be challenging for the for Magic Johnson to put together a winning team around LeBron next couple of years. We were looking at James harden streak of thirty consecutive, or you know, points per game, averaging at least thirty a game and it ended up thirty two. And then all of a sudden, you realize wilt did it sixty five consecutive games. Why is we don't recognize will Chamberlain the way we recognize Babe Ruth that that they're you know, there's like they're not real a mythical figure, but we recognize the greatness of Babe Ruth. We forget about will Chamberlain. I think whether it's fair or not one thing we say about wilt is that he he was almost like a character out of Gulliver's travels. Right. Like, he's this super sized athletes, whereas everybody else around him outside of Bill. Russell was a smaller player playing almost a different sport. I think we are are are looking at will as this. This is being overpowering. Whereas we look at Babe Ruth is being maybe more skilled. It's I don't know if I agree with it. I mean, I love I agree with that much either. I think we'll accomplishments personally should be. I I'm with you. I think we'll sit college mentor. But I you know, when when this conversation comes up, it's like a will was this seven foot one monster. And how many other guys we're able to defend him on your physical level that seems to be the argument? Yeah. But same with shack. Nobody could come close to his size, but they were more. I mean, there were more guys check it. You ain't gonna lie guys that were not check size, but comparable. Then you go back to the days of wealth. I mean, how many guys were even close to physically overpower? We're talking about Russell being as peer Russell like six nine like, you know, with a great defensive instincts skills, but he was nowhere near as physically biggest we'll either, but you had guys who were big Nate Thurman was very good defensive player while Bellamy had guys who were similar size or at least close. I would. But I don't know. I just feel like we we look at Wilton go. Oh, I don't even know how categorize him. What he did? You know, in the fact that we don't have video when he scored one hundred points in a calf. Did it really happen? You know, it's one of those where did he did we really land on the moon type thing, and we have video of that? I mean, mo- most people only don't we'll hundred point gain from that. You know, that that piece of paper held hold on me on the internet where everybody just kind of changes it with Ben Simmons goes for one. They raise the two zero one offensive faith on it. I mean, honestly like most people know that we'll did it what they don't have any context of. How did it? Are you buying into the rockets now this late run beating Golden State again without harden when we get to the playoffs L I'm buying in not to say that they're they're they're going to win. But I think they're back on that level that they were lashed the defensive numbers. Trouble me, they're not a very good defensive team right now. Whereas last year they were in the top half. Leaked defensively. But you know, forget hard forget, Paul. The reason this team is back on a championship radar are those bargain-basement additions. They've made dad I mean, Kenneth Reid is giving them like sixteen in pen was stapled to that. Nets mentioned has been a shell himself. The last years. Austin rivers was let go basically by two teams this year. And now he's giving them thirty three minutes per game. This team had a bad off a lost a Reza Elorza by moot? Say they lost some of their defensive identity, you know, in the process in getting for reading rivers, some of the other guys that they've been able to grow. They're starting to get some of that swagger back. So I think you can count on Chris Paul and James harden being great if they're healthy. But you're now able to count on the role players being a lot better than they were at the start of the season to visit with you. Chris safe travels. Thanks for joining us. You don't even want to talk about the Celtics. I'm disappointed in that debt. I assumed it'd be some Celtic related conversation. If you're a betting man is Kyrie Irving with the Celtics next year. Yes. Five years hundred ninety million dollars from a betting, man. The money over anything else are the Celtics better this year with Hayward back and Kyrie bag than they were last year. I think they. I think they're more capable of winning championship with this group. Are they better the ceiling the serious higher? Let's say it that way. But are they better? We're not better till they do it last year team. Did I mean if if they if they get to the the conference finals they'll be couple, but this like this the Celtics team nagging players I've covered in a while like they will lose Chicago they beat by fifty six like six weeks ago. But then they'll probably walk tonight and be Toronto going to try to win their I guess there's three and against the Sixers and they've been good against all the top tier teams and kind of bad against a lot of the bottom feeders. So that's why I said the ceiling is higher. It wouldn't surprise anybody to see them go on to run and win the entire Eastern Conference. Just like it wouldn't surprise anybody to see them win the three feet and lose the nets in the first round. Thank you, Chris. You gotta damn that's Chris Mannix. He's a senior basketball writer from Sports Illustrated in NBC sports. Boston NBA analyst, Dan Patrick show. 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Really was Doc Rivers calling a time out. They had the game in hand. He wanted to let the hometown folks appreciate Dirk Nowitzki. One more time. It's courtesy of Fox Sports, but called a time out grab the microphone and just said, hey, don't forget. It's one of the greatest of all time cool moment, we were just discussing here a little bit because you know, Dirk Nowitzki. Great career, Dwayne Wade, great career pretty close in. If it was a whose career would you want? Dwayne Wade has three rings Dirk has one. But Dirk may get more little more credit for being an innovative player. He chatted change the big man to being an outside. I inside second. I think he has a little more. Who history of the sport whose career would you want me Dirk? Even though it's three to one in rings. I think. I would take Dirk because I think we look when they won the title that even though he had a great supporting cast. He carried them. 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Wiggins baseball has a richer history than basketball, Babe Ruth was dominant. Offense you player and dominating pitcher. That's why while give you the rich history and baseball embraces its history. But we'll was a dominating offense player and a dominating defensive player as well. So he was a two way star in. Zone sport. Just like Babe Ruth was do you have that play by play. Call Seton of the high school game in Indiana. Paulie, would you set this up? Yeah. It's I think it's a four a playoffs Indiana, high school basketball, and it's like a web broadcast of the game. And so that's like a neutral party is you know, commenting on the game. It's homestead is the going in for the win. Kim Trent Loomis is going in for the jam. And he he doesn't really hang on the rim, but they TM up for just swinging back on the rim. He didn't should have been teed up. So Trent Loomis for homestead going in for the slam to put exclamation point. File. Numerous gets too. Then he gets picked up for being a jackass. Stay classy, homestead lose in the first round. Like you always do. Typical homes did attitude. New class whatsoever. What else is new? Congratulations and even cover the damn spread. Got he's got one hundred the game. Who knew there was a spread in Indiana high school basketball, but doesn't that sound like will Ferrell? At least when I heard it. Now, he said, stay classy. So there's a little Ron burgundy in there. But Loomis I'd rather delinquent Neal's jackass. The announcer got fired from his job by that. He chose to leave. Mutual party. I always wanted to do an honest broadcast. And just so you say what you really think when you do a game, and you have an analyst there, and I always wanted. I didn't know if there was some kind of medium or market for this. But you do a second screen where you're just honest where you really give your opinion about somebody. And you may not like them remain love them or maybe a heard something. And you just you just give an honest opinion about that. Yeah. Polling you did this once with me we were at the Houston Astros stadium. But the all star game we were watching a homerun derby. And we were we weren't on duty. And you and I and I don't maybe a Salisbury were sitting in center field in this area near camera people like the only place we could find where sit next to the centerfield cameraman, and you know, and you were going up next rampant steroid abuser occasional homerun hitter. And you'd give the name, and it was I think the name of. Who you said, but you were just you're doing PA announcer. You knew an honest PA announcer for about ten now, Maddie. It was a fun night. But if you did the honest play by play. And people would probably eat that up. This guy is overpaid. And we can't get out from underneath his contracts Salo too. This soft tossing left egg gives up home runs. Like, I take breaths Salo too. Got a new show. Yeah. The the honest announcer. 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Hour 3 - Sam Smith (05-22-20)

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Pass and Alaska. My Name is John Wall Zach and what I found is one of the strangest stories. You've never heard. Did he indicate what was in the suitcase? He said it was a bom. So join me as I travel from Arizona to the Arctic Circle trying to crack this case. Listen to missing in Alaska on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you find your favorite shows you are listening to the Dan Patrick. Show on sports radio. Welcome to the Program Final Hour Dan in the Danettes. Dan Patrick Show last night our. It Guy. Alan came in. He was using the traeger grill. He puts him pulled pork on there. And he said it's GonNa take twelve hours and he came back last night. I forget what time he texts me and he said it's done and I said what's done. He goes to the pulled pork twelve hours now. Our computers don't work but our. It guy did make some great pulled on the traeger. We'll have that pulled pork coming up a little bit later on this hour. I was also looking at Michael Jordan and his relationship with Memorial Day weekend. He had some Great Memorial Day weekends in his career. Nineteen eighty nine. That's the Saturday before Memorial Day. Had Forty six in a win over. Detroit made the game winning. Jump Shot Nineteen Ninety on Saturday. He had forty seven and then on Memorial Day. He had forty to be Detroit. In both of those games. Nineteen ninety-one Memorial Day bowls finishes sweep of Detroit. Pistons walked off no handshakes Nineteen ninety-three Memorial Day Jordan fifty four and a win over New York. Nine thousand nine hundred ninety six Memorial Day. He has forty five as the Bulls. Finish a sweep of Orlando and the Eastern Conference finals. We bring in Sam Smith Sam. Of course wrote the Jordan rules about Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls and it's hopefully got a spike in new book sales there Sam because Jordan talked about it in the last dance and he singled out horace grant one of his former teammates as a snitch. Your reaction when you heard Jordan talk about that is Horace Grant. Your snitch was what Sam? I think we were talking about it with todd the other day not to celebrate myself. But that's what we do on TV. Right but I I had about a dozen. Years is investigative reporting and doing a number of things involved the new Phil Jackson from the CBA. Spending time. When I'm Johnny Bach from the Early Years when he was coaching warriors from Brooklyn so it was a long time friend. Heck's is to sit with on the plane for years One time brought me. I was trying to understand the offense so he brought me. The book is original. Triple Post offense book that he had signed for his mother and they said well text. I can't have you book you your signed for your mother said well she died. She doesn't need it and and so the notion was well. I had a weight after all this till Nineteen eighty-eight eight till a twenty one year twenty two year old kid for Rural. Georgia came along site. Now can do a book on this subject. So I've you know kind of laugh at it after all his years about the trying to explain when Michael Says. Hey people are Michael said it but I know you're not gonNA give up your sources but it would was Michael correct at all in Horace Grant being a now you would call it a source. Michael called her to snitch. That kind of your journalism. So you know doing that kind of project. Everybody's the source y'all Maxon Johnny Bach Jerry reinsdorf Jerry Krause. Even I had dinner on the road a couple of times as frightening as that might sound Jerry. Krause we're in Portland. One time I was hanging around in the I think it was that season actually in the in the lobby. Jerry came down a changes room seven times which you did quite a bit like the mattress at some issue. Let's go have dinner. I couldn't think fast enough and so do you think Michael singled out horse because you saw this. You know some of the reaction after the last dance with Horace and some of the players. You know being upset. Sorta ever their their documentary. I'm cutting in. You know. Horror stood up to Michael a lot back. Then and you know a lot of a lot of the elements of the documentary. Early on settling grudges. Kind of thing. Mike Michael takes names and remember. So you know Jerry Krause I say on Horace are in an odd way was sort of a protector. Scotty in early on's really. Yes Scotty early on. They were incredibly close literally would call each other before every game. Decide what they were wearing went out and bought. The same cars bought the same dogs. They were inseparable. And but you know Scott it was Kinda seduced by Michael's aura and attention. What Michael and he would gravitate over toward Michael and Michael when he was sort of in his art. They're in didn't always we've seen didn't always treat you with Perhaps the respect. You'd like so Scotty would come back to harvest and complain about you. Know what he said to me in the sense of that and so harsh you know would stand up to Mike sometimes when things happen. He wasn't as articulate as quick sil- and so it it didn't come off as cleverly But you know that they had a long history of that and then my and then of course Harz being the one when he left and went to Orlando and when the year Michael came back in ninety five it was horace. Really you know car shack and penny with the best players but with Phil done in that series realizing harsh. Not a great shooter. He doubled off horace every time. Harsh shot like seventy percent in the series you know really hits the booming baskets and then the magic players lift them on their shoulders carrying raising his hand pointing at Michael. Did by the way there was no. There was no after the end of that series. There was not mates. Going the players going to congratulate the other team. Michael stalked off pretty fast after that one too so he remembers a lot of evidence when Taras houses plan in Chicago. This is this has been great. You know this has been Obviously with a lot of places in the country it's kept US given us something to look forward to but first Chicago. It's been particularly special because you know it's not. It's not a city with a great history of sports success. You know cubs one hundred years until a world series one eight as it turned out your and here's the celebration of when it wasn't New York or Boston or la. Chicago was the center of the sports world for a decade and so local community. It's especially with the Bulls having issues in last You know couple of decades. It's you know it's been a terrific opportunity to remember. Just a puff your chest out and say hey were number one talking to Sam Smith. He wrote the Jordan rules Co Author of Derrick. Rose's autobiography all show you which is available on Amazon Barnes and Noble Howard the book sales for the Jordan rules has there been a spike since the documentary. It's really interesting. I'm making the same on that as I am for. This appearance book is out of print than they haven't printed anymore. They haven't now they Was sort of like one of those. Oh yeah that would be a good idea. I think it's probably occurring to them right now. That maybe it'd be a good idea but I went to look on Amazon. I couldn't buy one because liberal. Ask me they say well he can give me a buck. I said well let me say goodbye. Wow so The you don't pay for appearances. Do you know we don't believe in with the. Have you thought about adding an an extra chapter to the Jordan Rules Yeah actually just now public publishers? Have ever since I realized doing books. They're mostly good at just printing. They're really printers version of Benjamin Franklin was doing and I think it's it's kind of Khartoum now and so they just literally at the end of the documentary. Got Back to me and said the we're thinking of maybe printing another edition of course later this year and Maybe you could write something for it so yeah so I probably will end up doing that. But have it yet also. The whole flu game now became food poisoning. Why after all these years that Michael never addressed or clarified it until we got to the documentary? Why would he do? It wasn't food poisoning? They made that up those. There were several things based on a true story. Kind of thing in this down. That was one of them. I know in our society we like to Believe in conspiracies a lot more fun and interesting than the truth subtle like Michael being kicked out of the NBA. You know in which they addressed quite a bit Because of the gambling and everything which obviously wasn't the case and you'll David. Stern and Brian McIntyre Mark van. So any number of people commented on that people associate but he. He wasn't poison as not what happened. And I mean the story of if you watch. I mean watching the documentary. I mean seriously. Five People Michael Jordan the most protected. Nobody knows where he is. Secure person of a sudden five guys pizza place by the way it was ordering pizza and Salt Lake City but beyond that and they were in park city. What do you think happens to ill? There's no question I think. I think he had something that wasn't as as manly as maybe some other episodes. I think I think because what they were doing they were going up to park city In the mountains in the ski area at the stay as where they stay so they had practice in Salt Lake City so he kept coming in and out in and out and I think it was altitude sickness the symptoms daddy had fit that much more than anything else that he had and so there was some sort of illness no question he was ill. I wouldn't deny that definitely was was sick but he wasn't poisoned but I don't understand why not. Just let this sleeping dog lie that it's the flu game. We we've we celebrated this now all of a sudden even when he says it Sam in the documentary. He doesn't say in a convincing manner that he had food poisoning. He looks away. He says it and he looks like Hey I got a. I got to believe this. It was food poisoning. And I'm thinking you got away with this. It was the flu now. All of a sudden it might be throwing a Cuban cigar to some drinks and altitude sickness. And you've got a guy who looks gray when he walks into the building that night. Well people always Samsung Hangover and stuff and to me that sort of relevant because Michael never slapped out play golf. You know two to three hours of sleep. You know if he drank smoke cigars that that was you know. Thirteen years of stuff and he still went out and got fifty so had nothing to do with. Yeah right there was no there was a reason to was also part of it was it. Was I think the eat a need to add drama to this documentary? It was a great show otherwise Jordan story but it was like you know they had the beginning and the theme of Eighty Two and our Jerry. Krause never coming back you know. And that's it so you got to end the documentary also similar way he he. He didn't WANNA play that next year. Year it he he could have any number of ways so he made that up to the end that I wish I could have come back. I wanted to come back. He didn't want he didn't WANNA come back. You know it was. It was a whole team there. Other than Scotty. Who you know is limited by the time. The end of finals had to have back surgery again. You don't went to Houston had a poor season Iran left and they went to Portland. They was just a role player coach. Love Harper Winnington. They were number simply. There was a number of team there. And they had money for free agent. And they actually had Brent Barry. That season was a good free agent. You know so he wanted to stay in. Rodman of course was coming back for the one year was Beckenham for that one year deal and so they wanted to one year in the forty million. They could've gotten it and he just didn't WanNA play. I mean we saw with Ahmad and all of scenes that have had enough. You know I'm of here. You know I gotta move on you know so I mean but it was a better story to end it that way to say. Hey you know. Yeah one more chance going for seven. I should have done. We have done that night do that but the other thing too about that is we always complain about all these athletes united and Willie mays and Ricky Henderson. Whatever why did they? Why didn't they just quit on top? We did he quit on top which we should be celebrating that he left us wanting more and then he came back to the wizards well. We don't count that wasn't in the documentary therefore doesn't exist exactly well. That one was adamant I'm going to be I was the. Gm is your members. The Jam of the wizards yet supposedly part ownership and part of Michael. Look if he if he could he would come back complaint now because some of these guys in document challenged him and said he couldn't Ryan Russell didn't get interviewed. Probably said I could take him now and he would come back and play again if he could and would try. You know that that's the guy is always about the game more than anything. Had the famous love of the game clause in his contract. He really wasn't about that advertising in the marketing you saw his mom wanted made him go. After you've got to go see Nike. He just wanted to play and so he the guy so he couldn't help himself when he went with the wizards because he's looking around at all these guys and you know he's beaten them. He says I could beat your own practice. So he's he's playing him on practice and beaten them so go out and play. That was. That was just a wonderful barred about the guy. You just never could stop him. He just wanted to play games all the time. Sam thanks for joining us. We appreciate it and good luck with Derrick Rose Book and thank you for sharing these stories. Great to talk to his usual. Then that Sam Smith the Jordan roles and the all show you biography autobiography. Derrick rose and Sam Smith available now at triumph books dot Com Amazon Barnes and noble and through your local independent bookstores. Fascinating altitude sickness. Can we look at the symptoms like what what happens with altitude sickness? Bali? Yeah it's oxygen deprivation. Nausea is very common vomiting is very common with altitude sickness. And it doesn't go away the moment you act natural and Dan. We looked up. Salt Lake. City's forty two hundred square feet a park city. Seven Thousand Square feet back to above sea level. Yeah it's interesting. When he says that he had something that wasn't manly I'm thinking wait. What what. What did Michael Heavier? Well yes. She Sa- did he get altitude sickness? Flying back from Vegas started did they. Just don't come on altitude sickness now. Well Larry we'll just keep throwing out things. I don't know it's fun. I don't know like okay. Something happened in Park City. Let's put it that way. Something did. Isn't that the name of a Bob Dylan Song? Something happened in Park City. It could be a country song. Something happened in Park City. I got altitude sickness but I told him for food poisoning although it could have been the flu although I could have flown to Vegas. Maybe none of it's true. Five guys showed. I'm workshop this year. I'm going to figure this out here and get my country selling their Let me see a couple of phone calls in here. And then we'll take a break. Jeff in Detroit. Do you smell that pulled pork? On the trigger Paulie Man Jeff. Listen man do you go on me like this. And they love the by Allen Segment on how to cook the steak you know. That was me other day real. Hey Listen Dan what else. No one time for To play dummy basically really nice guy trying to fill you in Detroit man and his passing and there's always been underwrite always been under he was talking about is like to get the ball to to his people man. Listen I got right there to pass I like to say. Thank you to all the veterans that are listening. Thank you for your sacrifice things that you guys do and making this world as well as the United States a lot. Thank you jeff well said. Well said Jesse Los Angeles say. Jesse what do you have for me? Hey Dan good morning at five ten. Still a hard one seventy three Just wanted to say a great show today. it's an honor to go right after Jeff in Detroit's comment and question if that's okay the right Thomson. You introduced us to him Or at least me. That was a great interview. The article about Jordan showed and his parents. Only that guy can tie Hatfield mccoys and Michael Jordan Jordan ridiculous Why shouldn't for you and I started to do on Friday. I'm wondering does the SPN released a daily list or entertainment or just to keep pissing you off. Because they're time starting five of some teams and missing from the warriors. All kinds of five is a guy who averaged forty points in the finals. A losing series and then actually single handling one another final sweeping the bullets and Western. So I'm thirty years old and I know who Rick Perry is. They got dream on green of the guy so I know it's embarrassing. Thank you Jessie I. I didn't even address that because it was going to drive me crazy. Yeah pulling again yeah. Espn did starting FIS for team. Historically in the starting five for the Warriors Steph Curry Klay Thompson Kevin Durant who spent a longtime their draymond migraine and will chamberlain. Wouldn't you think that what's his name? Saint John's Chris Mullin wouldn't he make it over a long career correspondent? I don't I don't know what they're basing this off of but to not have rick bury their who almost singlehandedly. Helped you win a title. Rick Barry put up some pretty good numbers for the Warriors Draymond. Green on any other team is just another player in a with the warriors he served a role and at times he was brilliant in that role but he not carrying a team. Chris Mullin was I mean look. At how many years was you know? Let me take a break here because I'm gonNA explode again and I. I'm an inundate you with okay. We'll take a break. Yes seton I just google the greatest warriors of all time and Attila? The Hun came up on the wrong path. Okay great low post. No Spartacus in there. Really really we're GONNA take a break here. We're going to take a break here. I'm going to go and shoot some hoops here in the man cave and then we'll come back and we'll politely professionally discuss this back after this on the Dan. Patrick thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch us. Live every weekday morning nine to noon eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio. Find your local station for the Dan. Patrick Show Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream. 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Equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states and MLS consumer access dot. Org Number. Three zero. Three hit is a meet Friday. Got The trigger fired up pulled pork and I love Fridays. Go to your local dealer visit traegergrills dot com slash. Dp Show today Paulie just informed me. 'cause I said wait a minute here. You're trying to tell me the all time. Golden State Warrior team includes Wilt Chamberlain. Who played for the Philadelphia Warriors? This is on. Espn DOT com so Klay Thompson Steph. Curry Kevin Durant draymond. Green will chamberlain are they. Are these the best players or the best team according to the ESPN NBA writers quote we asked NBA writers to come up with an all time starting five for every current NBA franchise along with a all time team or something only players contributions during the time with that franchise considered? That's means Lebron James. Wouldn't be on the Lakers and it's basically what team you compete with. But it has to be a team it. It has to be a team like position. You can't force center. No you can look at the Lakers Kareem Shack. They got Jerry Western Kobe Bryant or shooting guards. They added some flexibility in choosing a lineup. But they won't you won't see a team with four centers or three point guards. No there's two centers on here not three. The idea was to dive into a team history and create a group that could potentially share the floor together. It's about building a team from Rick. Berry should be on there instead of Klay Thompson. Rick Perry should be on their set of Draymond. Green will chamberlain didn't play for the Golden State Warriors. He played for the Philadelphia Warriors. They're counting that. Because it's the warriors franchise even different cities. You can put Nate Thurman in there if you want to but not wilt chamberlain see doing well. Paulie I almost made it. I had a half hour to go and I say this Monday. No we're not here Monday and don't save it for Tuesday either. The Lakers have magic jerry. West's Kobe Bryant Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Shaquille O'Neal so that right there they're logic is flawed or the criteria is flawed. I got to shooting guards. And I've got to centers for the Lakers. The rockets have James Harden Calvin Murphy Tracy McGrady Rudy Tomjanovich Kim Malaysia. I'm fine with that. I'm sure there's somebody WHO's left out. You know the one that bothers me. The most is the great starting five for the history of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Ricky Rubio is on the all time starting five. What did he do? Wow he was an average to blow average player. Chris Mannix has to be thrilled. No offense no offense. No Vince taken. Bob in Seattle joins us. Hey Bob what do you have for me morning morning? One seventy five right need microfracture surgery survivor as well. Okay here in here. In Seattle we climb a lot of mountains and I personally have been up to twenty thousand feet and mountain. Sick is no joke. Just WanNa bring that delight is very Kabila all right. Yeah I believe it but let's be honest here. Jordan just drove to park city. He didn't climb a mountain sweet. What it okay. Would it be bad for his brand? If Air Jordan got air sickness altitude sickness in all seriousness. Sam Smith said he thinks it's alcohol altitude civil slip there a if back in the day it was it was announced at Jordan. Almost couldn't play play in a game because he stated in different hotel than the rest of the team and the team. Doctor said. Hey you should be staying at a high altitude. That could be something that would be frowned upon if that were the reason but blaming a pizzas. But we were. We were fine with the flu. Nobody was questioning the flu. It's like Michael. Wanted to add another element like decree of difficulty here. Yeah you know. I thought I had the flu. I was actually almost poisoned. Yes he might be mistaken. My memory might be failing me but I thought one of the biggest conspiracies and Michael Jordan's career was. Did he have the flu or was he out all night partying? Yeah so I don't really know that we did move on from like what everybody accepted the flu game. Could you imagine if he ignored the flu game? In this documentary we would be killing him and he he didn't have to say over the food poisoning. Maybe that's what he thinks it was. But if that's the case then why did you wait? Twenty two years to correct that he's been interviewed before and now he's GonNa correct it. I'm guessing he had some cigars he had some beverages and maybe hand altitude sickness. Maybe had something. I know that I was just surprised. That Jordan added something to that and went had food poisoning and then all of a sudden. You're going wait. What and now we're tracking down the Pizza Hut assistant manager to find out if it's true. And who are these five guys who went to his Room we're going to find out about this it just. I enjoyed the documentary. It was based on a true story. Let's put it that way as Sam Smith pointed out it's a. It's a nice documentary based on a true story. Yes mclovin okay is this. Is this going to put a bow on the flu game? Are we done the know rely? No no no no because we did I think now you can say was he out. Yeah maybe he did have the flu. He was sick but now it's food poisoning. And now you're finding out. What is it really food poise? I don't know it just opened it up where more people are going to talk about this. And why would Jordan tell the truth? I don't know why would he say food poisoning. Can he was good with the flu? Were fine with it. It was known as the flu game. We didn't say that the hungover game was called the flu game. Yes seton O'connor it seems like unless Michael Jordan said okay fine or I was out partying all night and I was super hung over and that's why I had. The flu wasn't really. The flu is like massively hung over. That's probably the only story that people would accept. No we would accept altitude signals. Nobody would be saying today. Like wait. A minute Jordan. Said he was out on night. Party and I think that's a cover for Elton. I think personal I would say that. I think if he said look. I thought I had the flu but I was told later. I had altitude sickness. Who's going to argue with that? Because he's saying something like man. I'm I'm vulnerable here. Not Hey I was partying. I didn't care you know I was up all night. It's got to be somebody else's fault somebody didn't you know they didn't make a pizza correctly and I got sick because of it. If he said altitude sickness I think it would have looked bad for a guy named Air Jordan that he got altitude sickness. That's all the Jordan illness. Maybe maybe he had too many of those Cuban Cigar. I've had Cuban cigars where my head spinning where you turn Green. I've seen people throw up with Cuban cigars but Mike smoked a lot smoking game day. Yeah mclovin maybe do supplementary line of Clothes Thin Air Jordan thin air dot got it. I got you know what you just did. Neglect opened the door for Fritzy here. We go what are you got a Grad? I was just thinking about MC bed attitude bed altitude something alone. No that's not good now. We're workshop in it though so I some time my country song about Jordan. Some phone calls here Drew in Texas. I drew what do you have for me? A als- everybody doing today. Great Drew Yeah. He's just going to throw in there that at high altitude alcohol doesn't really makes your system. I think everybody knows that but just in a key on that. I think that's what it was if you've ever experienced that. It's definitely the bill updating the I've never had all tatooed sickness at least I don't think I've been in park city but I don't. I remember walking a lot in Park City and you have to get used to it. There's the there's a shortness of breath there and you don't realize it at the time but you're like wow. I'm laboring here but I don't know if going back and forth from Salt Lake to park city if that would've I don't know how you you contract altitude sickness. I don't know what what you are doing. That will bring it on or increase. The chances of you getting Scott in Montana joins US I Scott. Hey Dan six foot one ninety five down in Salt Lake During those two years. And you know you really gotta be doing something. Physically exhausting to get altitude sickness in combination with the hydration. So I just got to believe that you know. It's Mike and Gatorade. If it gets out that he's got altitude sickness and that looks bad on Gatorade so I I would add plausible acceptance to the whole altitude sickness thing and I gotta correct polly. He's the Salt Lake's at four thousand square feet at four thousand feet of elevations square feet. Yeah yeah he he kind of kind of short change deal and how big Salt Lake City was on a roll. I'm just GonNa let him go Friday last populated four thousand square feet lovely city Chilly and BLOOMINGTON joins us. Hi Tilly would you have? Hey Dan talk. Hey you guys have a good weekend man. Good holiday weekend If possible with the unfortunate passing of Jerry Sloan. This morning I had some Jerry. Sloan Stat of the day INFO with a hat tip to my guy J. Query in Indianapolis who out on twitter? So it's possible. Could I get a little hate? Breeds for this one. Oh okay stat of the day. Here's tilly in Bloomington. And here's Gov Jerry. One fifty percent of his game over twenty five plus years one of two men with a thousand winds with one franchise with the fifth NBA coach with thousand wind with the longest tenure coach with one. Nba Team and fifteen playoff. These and never won coach of the year. Thank you Jelly. More phone calls coming up ready to close up shop. If you're watching on YouTube dot com slash. The Dan Patrick. Show once I turn off my microphone. Here we go to commercial break on radio. You can watch Paulie and myself walk out to the traeger grill and sample that pulled pork. That has been cooking for twelve hours. I think it's going to be good. Paulie what do you think we you and I have been fasting for three hours. So we're ready. We'll take a break class call for phone calls. We'll close up shop fritzy's got his scoreboard competition. I don't have a winner yet. I don't know if there any winners in this contest. I think we're all concerned stomach banks. We'll we'll come back after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch. Us Live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio and you can find us on the iheartradio APP at FSR or stream. It live every day at Youtube dot com slash. The Dan Patrick. Show support for the Dan. 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Wait or is it w it has to do with the something that Jack Nicholson said. In the movie the character he played when he said wait till they get a load of me is that the joker came out on this day. Yes well Jack Nicholson played. The joker the WHO's known as the Joker in sports. Oh Wow Novak twenty second. Nineteen eighty-seven Novak Djokovic. Born on this and how many Grand Slam titles does he have? Seventeen seventeen took required a little extra thought. But it's still thinking gettable thank you. Thank you have a good weekend phone calls here? This team sports history. Paulie formed Dan while still whilst Wall Hill in high school. Two Thousand Three Lebron James Signs. A ninety million dollar endorsement deal with Nike. He was just graduating high school. I don't know how could south at nineteen seventy five Joe. Pass on a four million dollar offer to play with Chicago in the WFL. Not No I did not know that. Either that's it. In the words Chris Myers. That is something I did not know man. This pulled pork is good but we just had. A question wasn't a debate or anything. It wasn't controversial. There's Coleslaw on pulled pork. And I said to Paul. I am not a Coleslaw Guy. I like pickles on the pulled pork and police Coleslaw Guy Let me ask the WHO aren't here of Seton. I'll start with you when you have pulled pork. Do you like having Coleslaw or pickles. Well I it kind of depends on the mood. I'm sort of an all of the above but usually never at the same time. Sometimes I just like the pulled pork. Sometimes I'll throw some pickles on there. Sometimes it'll be Coleslaw so I'm sort of all of the above. I guess that's a non answer but I like them all. I'm used to that from todd. Todd I would grab coastal a lot faster than grip pickles for pulled pork. I don't know what's happened here. But I've become obsessed with pickles like all of a sudden I'm like man. I miss a pickle mclovin man. Anything sounds good right now to eat my tuna fish. It's cruel question. I'll take anything. Yeah it is pretty good. I did a little research. Most especially in the south barbecue places Bah coleslaw pulled. Pork is very common. But they'll let you know so it's your choice. They rarely will put it on without alerting. The customer it's a big debate. Inca couple of phone calls Alexan- in Utah. I Alex how are you? I'm doing well? How you guys doing this nice to meet Friday. We're doing great. We're doing awesome first time long time five eleven and a blue collar one sixty so I had a question With all the talk about the nineties and the Jordan Jordan era being a hometown boy from Utah Karl Malone is been one of my sports idols forever. He's unquestionable hall of Famer before is career ended fourteen time all-star fourteen time all team NBA and in my opinion probably one of the most underrated and overlooked players. Because he played in the Jordan era. I was wondering what your thoughts were on either him. Being the most the biggest casualty of playing in the Jordan era or who you thought was the biggest casualty of playing in the Jordan era. I would say Patrick Ewing. Because Ewing lost a national titles Jordan. Start their it. Was Georgetown losing to Michael Jordan North Carolina? And then after that you know even when we thought the Knicks had a better team Jordan somehow was able to beat them. Reggie Miller would be up there. Cleveland Cavaliers are up there Charles Barkley in the mix but yeah malone is there because he went to two finals and lost to Jordan anyone the MVP that year that last year that one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and he deserved it. I know Michael Said Oh. You're going to give it to Carl all right. Well let's see if he can win title same thing with Charles. Those guys want. Mvp In years where they went to the finals in Jordan used that as extra motivation against them Kyle in Pennsylvania joins us. Hi Kyle what do you have for me a guerrilla strength six foot two thirty three? I WanNa talk over the past couple of weeks since the Documents come out about Jordan has been smoking cigars and drinking all this stuff so with the new athletes nowadays and especially You know as done by Tom Brady. Who are Tampa Tom How he takes care of his body. You know the whole thing. Do you think he could've played longer or played better? I do not get smoked cigars and drank much now. I I think it's I think it's a reasonable question to ask. We just see the finished product of winning six titles. I if if peace four and two in the NBA finals. We are questioning his off. The core dedication to the sport drinks gambles he smokes cigars. He plays golf all the time. He's six and people. Don't question that I don't know if it it felt like Michael. That's who he was and he he was going to be the best player on the floor no matter what I mean. He was the best player on the floor and he was staying up all night or he was playing golf every morning. He would play thirty six times the day of a game. It's just he didn't sleep a lot that just who he was but I don't know how much greater he would have been if he wasn't smoking cigars and drinking because I don't know how much he drank. I know that he smokes cigars. But I never heard anything about Michael. You know as far as being a big drinker Ben IN INDIANA. Hi Ben Woody. Have for me. Hey Dan first time longtime six one hard one eighty five. Yes are from asking a question that's already been addressed. But why was Michael staying at a different hotel than the rest of the team And especially you know thirty thirty five minutes away from the team. He's one of the first athletes. I remember doing that now. Cal Cal ripken did it. But ripken told me that he stated a different hotel because he knew that would take a little bit of the pressure off his teammates with signing autographs. Because if you've if you've found ripken he was going to sign your autographs. But he said that he stayed in a separate hotel so his teammates wouldn't be inundated that the people who wanted an autograph wanted cows autograph. They would try to find out where he was staying. Michael was staying thirty five minutes outside of Salt Lake. And it's probably you know for survival a necessity for Jordan. He had to be away. He had to get away from this. Because if you saw the travelling circus that followed him and downtown Salt Lake. Those are tight quarters. They're finding out where somebody is and then trying to get in there or somebody's GonNa pull the fire alarm. The things that had happened when the Lakers played the Celtics people are going to try to find you. 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Dave Cowens Interview: Favorite Celtics Memories

Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman NBA Podcast

1:03:21 hr | 9 months ago

Dave Cowens Interview: Favorite Celtics Memories

"To legends in basketball, analysis with over. Seventy years combined experience. This is the Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman podcast, and the a some college, a little bit of everything. You know what can I say? I was okay with it because it wasn't about talent, I didn't take. Let's get right to it. I welcome in another edition of the Ryan Goodman podcasts he is Bob Ryan. I'm Jeff Goodman, and we have great guests for you today. None other than eight time NBA All star Dave Collins two time NBA champion. MVP IN ONE, thousand, nine hundred seventy re Dave. Thanks for coming on I appreciate it I want some good stories, not only view on this podcast, but I'd like a good. Robert Ryan story as well of how he was back in the day when he had to cover you guys, I'm expecting a really good one a flammable one. At some point, you could start off now. He was bipartisan. Was My part. I was caught in the middle of the players in the coach on occasion as evidence. That was for sure. By the way that's not very leave and hall of Famer in Hall of Famer. That's right I understood. All stats there you got all of. It Bob. You know. Trying to be a first ballot fame first time euro optional inuits. Want. There's not been a whole lot of and some of the guys that did get it or. Should they should have gotten. Yeah, you know if you look, I don't know how they worked it but WHA. Problem with the difference Meghan Base Baseball. Everybody knows it's the Baseball Hall Writers Association this. Five. Hundred plus people depending voting and it's. Essentially the bad basketball fame are rotating committees. Three year terms of twenty four people I've done it twice and. Have Somebody. Get some paperwork and some background to nominate them. Yes, back this nominating class all of Famer I've been a part in it too, and yes, need nominations officially and go to a nominating committee. And then anonymity committee. Gives the name steady to the voting committee and now now. I was a part of both at the same time. The last time I did it with I thought it was Kinda I dunno I just thought that was a little strange I was happy to do it, but you I think if you're nominating, send, it shouldn't be the same people. But I was actually in, both anyway you need a official nomination and. Johnny most is in the hall of fame or not. Trigger, is he? He's not like Arno right well it. Should be on the same level in. Johnny's. Honest. Check was a part of chick was also a technically a member of the Lakers organization. He was at a title as well as what Johnny was never. In the Front Office Chick was actually technically an organization at at times of a bigger home to know Johnny. He was. Calling card was being played it down in the middle of times. He criticized the Lakers I probably will do something on management if they didn't play his status faction. You know artistically. They heard about it on the air. This homer, the biggest TV radio answer homer. You've ever heard Bob this yourself. Johnny was Johnny set the standard I mean. Something and wanted to be in the hall of fame. Until Dave showed up. See I think day was a dividing line and Johnny most personal history. Johnny when I first came on the scene as a listener as freshmen at BC and sixty four, and I discovered Johnny most, he was a highly partisan announcer, but he called a really good solid game embellished with his Celtic. You, know guardianship. It gave credit to other players for example Jerry West away. After, Dave showed up and I that that from that point on I, don't know that team was the good guys and the bad guys in the black cats in the white hats. Every single night it was a passion play on that point on, and and it never he never looked back, and he still was good announcer in terms of calling out the picks and calling out the play, but it gave way to sheer. Passion play that he created for the listeners every single night and I think we'll turning. Point was a new showed up David succeed, but like you said he made listen to the game. You knew what was going on because he had professional isn't doing, but he had elbow out flair. Sure Dan Stuffy did while he was announcing. You know set himself on fire, spilling coffee, and Oh, yeah. Steve One. Zero, they couldn't hear anybody. Johnny Moss Laura, no question. And and I was wound with them one night twenty year exhibition season in nineteen seventy. You're woodley were a one night we got. A room shortage and And we actually wound together that I talked to him at length into tonight and a very interesting man. and you know he's very smart, very bright. Away from the basketball, no! Over. Ever played for bear, Bryant. He went Alabama. Who are? I'll know I. Don't think he could have played he. Just. Yes Wisconsin because of the war was he was A. Navigator for a bomber in World War Two. Then he came back in and after he had been in college. In Alabama or vice versa each. Bear wasn't the coach in any way, you never would've played for bear. Bear was laid okay? I think the guy's name was. But we can look that up. He was on a touch football team anyway. I gotTa tell. You A story Jeff I'm gonNA tell. One. so He's a rookie and we're now. Elmira New York horseheads, New York, this matter of fact, the plan of Buffalo Grapes expansion team and David We go to lunch. He's not going to be remembered this. We got to lunch and we're sitting around talking talking talking, we eat lunch, and now it's like half the noon and they says well. It's time for dinner. So, we never left David two meals. He had lunch and dinner before we left that motel. I was relationship different. You know you hear about it. All the and I'm I'm nearing fifty but but the relationship between media and players has changed so much way more now today than it ever was because you've got social media now, so the players don't need the media at all. They can put out exactly what they want to get their message out that way. But what was it like when when you played Dave? Did you trust the media more than obviously? It looks like the day players trust the media now. It's almost like you say. Today's players don't need to media, but they want it because they got a brand sell, they got a website. They gotta Blah Blah Blah Blah. In my day, we didn't want a do with the media. Were considered unfortunate debate. Lug for lunch and stuff like that. OUT DID A lot. Better. I. Didn't that Dade? College but it was a oil. We've done we didn't go out to. Try To. I don't know it was. It was a different relationship. It was almost like. We were equals, so you could bust everybody's balls. Nobody got big. Anything! You know because they know a lot about us and we do some stuff about them, so you know it goes on. The road stays on the road and when you. Close relationship like a year in airports cabs. Television Gems and all that stuff? Comes out. You're you're traveling together because there weren't as many private planes? All that and Against Social Media I think beat writers do be riders. Go on the place today. No now now now so that we all went to commercial, so replies saying put but I would come down the aisle. He's sitting in coach either about twenty five newspapers in his. Member playing cards casino. Was the big game, remember. Cartilage card play. Late, Joe delory was begun out to. Heck. Let's talk about hey. Hank Baker people. He came into the news a little bit last week, because Dan, Shaughnessy called him up to talk about following Bill Russell and what's going to be like Roh? Agree told me read it. Yeah, yeah, so so. What is what memories did you about hey? Will I call Pentagon I talked to him. Like it and He was happy with. He didn't have any problems yet, Selena was you know he said it's all it was all about this guy who's coming in to try to replace. Brady. That guy number twelve. A with currently no, NBA NHL or Major League Baseball. You might think there's nothing to bet on well, you'd be wrong. Bet. Online still has hundreds of places to wager from their online casino to poker and Blackjack all open twenty four hours. A day and online sports aren't totally done. There's still mixed martial arts golf east sports, XFL and many more so if you're in entertainment, you can still bet in American idol. The elections is spelling bee and even the Nathan's hot dog eating contest. Be Sure, you use the Promo Code Seal fifty to receive your fifty percent, welcome bonus and your first deposit that online your full access wagering solution. Who is the the? What was the toughest player you ever had to guard? Who is who was the guy you just? You know again you are known. As obviously for your toughness versatility all that, but was there somebody that you just didn't want to go up against it? You overmatched. I got a long list of those. right now. You know when you get to borrow one died and you get read and he gets at any get. Alison under that he gets shameful and you get Bella million. Then you get made Walton in there. A little bit held. On Sunday and then he got to the forward. You Got Ages Johnson's and all those guys so. You know every night was a battle, and you know by just tried to bring whatever I had you give them the best of you? That's what you donate him with the best of you and So I try to do sometimes award. Sometimes it did while let's tell people that data the date rookie most of the time when he shook hands, and when they did at midcourt before they put all. Your rookie year it was the first time you ever saw. Those guys play. Because you are not a big fan, you were not you were doer. You are not a big fan in college. Through whenever? You weren't watching, so there wasn't any TV. I'm going to want to. If I don't have a TV I. You got this woman. Knew. How many Games on TV wanted one week Saturday? Sunday. Celtics so they were rumors. Right and I know what you told me at the time you say. Show me. What you got now is your device. That was not your your match to. Show me what you got. Whoever you Utah Wow, okay? Well. I think doesn't that make sense? Wouldn't every player air there that look at all the time? He's spam practicing shoot ball work in footwork and conditioning and all that stuff. You know when you go in you go. I know I'M GONNA. Bring what I got. I don't know anything about you, so you know that's what I'm talking about. You know I don't know. One of the guys that. Don't think you mentioned. I thought you had a very interesting I we'd play more games against them. You two are. Unknown unknown. Matchup was nate Thurman. I thought I. Remember some. Because you. Don't play them couple of times a year. They were, but I I don I just started with Cleveland he was. It was in Chicago. Later what but Golden State tick when he was in his prime. Guy Within Lee when they have a league. Our. kind of an album atoms kind of built guard. You're right. Yeah, Vanderbilt! Yeah, absolutely so he's a good player I. Mean Back back at that I. wanted a story centers in both the ABA. NBA, Ninety, seventy, seventy one. You name all those names, and then you could go onto the. Back into our never liked playing against him. And I'll tell you story date. A small I've met one of those unorthodox. Kinda shooters with. Thank you know. By now, hissy flipped it. Roy is is approaches. He came down like this I. Some guys do to got motion, but they're so good at it. You know they keep their distance and you can't bother them. But Alex English was a little bit like that Okay Immaculate. He didn't need much wound to get that shot up, either did he. I mean he, he didn't. You know. Yes so what I try to guard him. He was killed amid were running picks for him. He's supposed to set picks up out in the guy. You Know Guard Nagai and pretty soon. They switched it around. He's coming off then so I used to sell Silas or even check. Why don't you guard him? I'll galler, heard or somebody like that. Or somebody whoever else was out a plan would. And A good player on that team. Bob Kaufman early on I L. A. Yes. Interesting evening and Buffalo Bought Kaufman. Down to his camp that summer. You know gala Guilford well for people don't know what to tell. The quick a version uncovering this game, and after we, I covered a game. Running sheets basket. We scored I'd right silence out, and I got shortening doubt so. A basket with scored folks and I'm right, also I hear this. Smack of flesh against flesh, and look these two guys. Standing the free throw line is run. The court and David stay with his arms down. As, if okay your turn. Older it just popped. Kaufman puts us down some Russian lumberjack. Ready drink vodka, and he says okay. Your turn any state and what was? You had an eye patch and he had like Keith Loosen. Had played against stem a few nights later on applauded as big cutlass shiner this. I could see you globe office for something David with China I can still remember it I don't know what the hell that was all about, but the every right here. Cut Me right here so I had to get, but you know funny thing I have to go in the locker room because I was bleeding. I, don't think they kicked us out of the game. I was nineteen seventy. Kidding, they call foul. Who got the foul you both? How many Games would you get? How many games would you be suspended for for that ten? Today. And have to suspend both of them. Are you know I'll probably could. Decide this was down twenty five million dollars. I never art we. We don't have enough time for all the good all the dates. Cowan stories have to be to know. What am I? Favor it's. Do you remember out I? Don't know if I dreamt I'm pretty sure I did it in Portland. There was I say ball. Yes. had. A stopping to Johnny Davis yesterday. The played for them guard with Allman and I said I think it was you say the ball down on our, you know. Our team's bench was unelected a box of the scoring table when you look at it and saw say the. Jump over the chairs out of bounds, and then I ran up that I'll between the fans and behind the press and up the other thing. On the court was involved in a fast break. The Gospel Truth. Thank you. Picture the car into training that for. Driving on. That picture, a car driving alongside railroad tracks and the train. Her Dave I got under repository powered Howard's. Nor you're not going to slip any bite me. I can tell you. I doubt you're absolutely right. Verify I didn't know, but actually have it. Did you didn't dream it? It happened I'm Alan one of my. It's just one of the many good cowan stories rent a really wide lay. A got now. That's that's that's one of my absolute favorites is true. Backup little bit of. A great contemporary. Understanding the way to gave you. Bob Tonight awake. Kids are recruited kids or warmed at how the process is developing. I listened ballplayers. It's his job, you know. He knows his stuff Tell me what a summer was like! For Dave Collins in both high-school College. Was a summer like. Well in high school In High School I didn't really work in the summer, had paper routes and stuff like that and we were at work, a little bit, a core grocery store for a while and get enough dollars. Gather the by. You Know Candy, and Soda Pop and stuff like that just wanted to play all the time when I got to college ended up working. Different jobs in the summertime. I work at A. Place called VELVA. Sheen who they print out the sweat shorts and tee shirts got all little stuff on the paint and everything so you you bring bringing bosses in the area, unloaded trucks and sort and stuff in the show, so that guys can. The printers can get in any go and clean. The screens at all. The ink was on the only thing that you love me, do is. Output everything was just supply to supply. One the. Workers inside you get to climb up on abilities. Helped me. Connecting the big being wants to the other. How good thing like that and you? Put up the bulletin. Tighten them up at any shimmy up or walk out on. These beans might be eight floors up. That's below, but you know more mills was pretty cool. You know experience to meet. Some of these aren't workers who they go all over the world over the country where the job is like nomads, all Bush yeah, there's an. Nate nickname I think. Manpower, so you get a buck forty an hour to go pick rocks out of your the. Shopping Mall Wash Windows in. Another year something. Back in high school. Did you have regular pickup games and was a regular routine or go certain? Play Baseball basketball out. Rand ran around in the woods all that stuff so old. Now you know nothing of that? Stuff, Jeff. Always have the one thing with play four. We had a catcher pitcher to fielders. Yes, he's been only hit the one side. I grew up that way. They're kind of stuff, so we tried. Will Games you know. That's funny. That's what we do with currently. No, NBA NHL or Major League Baseball. You might think there's nothing about on well. You'd be wrong. Bet. Online still has hundreds of places to wager from their online casino poker and Blackjack all open twenty four hours a day. Online sports aren't totally done. They're still mixed. Martial Arts Golf, each sports, XFL and many more so if you're in entertainment, you can still get an American idol. The elections is spelling bee, and even the Nathan's hot dog eating contest. Be, sure use the Promo code seal and US fifty to receive your fifty percent, welcome bonus and your first deposit bet online your full access wagering solution. Dave Florida state recruit you based on your high school games completely, and there was no no such thing as a you or some. While played by junior and senior year in high school, so the only time probably Durham saw player anybody saw me. I was probably my senior year for the most part because we really good high school team. The Newport Catholic and all boys eight hundred all boys, so it was. An we played into JCL with Greater Cincinnati, so we would play with a lot of schools, light Lauren Bacon and for sale. Elder was big football football football down there, but could ask all boys schools one of those kind of routine plus. We were we qualify to play all the teams in Kentucky? So we would go play some mountain team. I. N S Kentucky. They were lucky to have twenty five kids in the whole school, but basketball team. They WANNA say championship one years opt out then the same tribute over playing all black school and Billy Goat Dunbar something like that and go up and you your in your region. Most in time slow is nice plan. Louisville invitation tournament. And then we had district and regionals and stuff like that, but we were twenty. Twenty twenty-nine three is what Senior Year how big where you come out of high school. How big were you when you don? I was six, six, eight, one ninety. Did you play at. What did you play out for the Celtics? Six, nine, hundred, thirty five. Five Axel between my freshman year in college. Graduated four years later, I grew three inches in gained forty five pounds. Wow! That's what I stayed up. Here, you or the way program that Florida State had. A program and Nothing weight, program. They didn't do nothing man. You Push Yourself. To get strong, so I figured it out. There was a guy. Stayed at elite. Combine Athlete and Student Body Dorm. And, so they had a little closet of weight room in. The bottom football dealers there baseball warmers, everybody plus other students than girls were aged storage right on the other side. And So. I went down there this little weight room and on TV, but that's things. Coming out of the wall had abandoned dumbbells No bias, no cardio equipment some barbells and all that stuff so. It was a guy. Muscle muscle bound. Guidance is GONNA. So, what do you think I like to build up my upper body? My legs FIS like to get a little bit bigger up here so he. taught me how to lift properly. You know the sort of the strategy, not going too fast and not really heavy, and you know a lot of repetitions in a kind of build up gradually that kind of stuff, so it was that's when I started and did it in the summers Zoli knowing the season started. We just play. That was. That was and I did every summer, so I would go to work, so I'd go the ironworkers. From You know be there at seven o'clock and work until four thirty I go to a place called the Fenwick in Cincinnati. and. I would workout in shower weight room air. L. is so so I could do this I did that three days a week after work I? Go back to the house for living with mom and dad, brothers and sisters and. Little something take a nap. Go Out, drink beer. Get up! Go to bed about one o'clock. Play Art Right. It is you're young you can do. You were the fourth. One thousand nine hundred seventy. What was draft day like dirty? Because this year and all bets are off, but toward nearly draft they'd be a huge extravaganza. TV Dis invited in green rooms, shake as with the Commissioner Huggy huggy hat. One thousand nine hundred seventy. Draft. How'd you find out your drafted by the Boston Celtics? Aba Thing going on into? Yes, so they had their own draft and The knows a thing about going to stay were deployed. When a go to stars. Bob Showrooms coach. It's time. And Or do the NBA and I didn't know anything who was GONNA draft NBA, Bassett I wanna go the NBA. That's La been watching this what I know I want. I want to go there so. Pretty much. The decision was made for me I was going to go with the NBA. And it's funny back then. All. Lawyers couldn't have couldn't contact somebody on their own that wanted to represent a place of the head to get an agent that beattie ran up. Dry cleaning store something like that. He'd go and he'd be. The Guy would reach out to college. Players try to get inside, but all those guys. It was funny. Relationship all agents. Either those all their players went to the ABA or they went to the NBA. Is that a coincidence or are they getting some on the other side? itself you know you want to be doing. Anyway! So. We. Had No. Let's see. I think. I was in the gym. I was going down to change. Go get a workout and is a draft and someone's going on and. Some kids yelled at me. Hey. You just you got drafted. The Celtics. I. WanNa talk to Durham drama PIC. He resigned office Now, we just talked about little bits. That I had with some guy in Florida, state. It was a business professor in. Contact Negotiate order and all that. I said I don't know but I want to New York and met this other Guy A. Blast and With him in one of the best things about goal him first of all George five percent I ten. Let's say through in an accountant. Our Levy and Man He taught me a lot. It was good guy going go to the arcade. Go to his office. Have a little something in his office. You know lunch or whatever like like when these to do with reds office. Chinese As they come in. You. He just taught me about you know the whole about keeping good notes and making ledgers, and in able to document whatever you stand in that type of thing. Those those is always at a good time going to New York visiting with them. How much start you know, cross. Did you have going to draft? Knowing who was finish wear where you might rank? was there any indication from anybody coach Durham? Get me on the grapevine. Who was? who was thinking? Remember ever even thinking about. About the draft about being drafted. Remember, even I was going to happen, but I had no control over so. Know Do. You know. I was I know I was GONNA. Go someplace. That I didn't know where we later learned. Bob will tell you you know a may does pretty good dress. We're GONNA. Get you down. I'm glad you brought it up. About. What ahead of you in that draft. Well it was be I. Think People Note Lanier heating top Jonah Bitch I'm move in order to myself in Sam Lacy. Nate Archibald in. Collin Murphy were second round picks. And it is Charlie Scott wanted to the ABA that class along. Pretty Good Hall famous now. Really T was number two. I'm John of its endlessly. As a coach, but he talk about him as a player who people who don't. Remember Rudy as a player, we remember. Well. I know really really well again. I Restored a basketball camp together down in Texas and ISA, come up to my place of Massachusetts was I, started well with Rudy t Doug Collins Phil Chenier I was going to try to do on Jerry. Slow by is I WANNA have a basketball camp in every city well. I have a front office farm. Everything out you know. that. That became a heck of a lot of work for me. You know I can't do this though and so anyway. so I know rudy from spending time with another summer. Of socializing and So I'm biased. Opinion about Rudy. And he was a Helluva player. He wasn't. He wasn't a connick guy. Like Bird had at handle. Make saying it was creative along the way he was a straight line. Guys of man that he oughta amazed. Overshooting could make shots around the room. You no matter he was. He had ranged. You know before big is like he's a big as my size it. Yet range. Is that banks Oh for Broadway twenty feet away. Sometimes I think he's the longest bank shooter I think so I need to run a bank shooters Sam Jones. Is Awesome, I dave couple of weeks in see Sam Jones for their told me. Obey Shaq was banks that guy, but not from that distance he was of mid range. It was fifteen seventeen. Fifteen foot. Rudy teed. I swear to be three some. I mean it was a bank shows. Alkan was a bank shooter, but not. If the thirteenth fourteenth on low box turnaround banks you. Rudy was amazing in that. Way I a couple of weeks ago, you. We were talking. About this class and you're a seventy eight hall of famers and other good players including Jeff each we will get to that point in a minute, but. And I, said. Let's put this team on the floor. Okay, let's put this team of Eight. Guy Hall of famers on the floor and I said well, you got linear at center, and you can be a powerful or and I thought you're going to jump through the phone and hit me because. Part of being viewed as a forward. Ever the weather. Tell us. About air could play power forward. Big A center. Would it be what being a center always meant you know anything about this? Will you know the skills that he had and so? It was pretty good, pretty good group of guys with good skills while I think that you know they said you the center because you are in a middle everything and a lot of times, the ball went inside. You make better. The passes came from the post area. The elbow area and the top of the key, so you know an reds plays is six plays. Yes, the one center handle the ball the to center so. Three Center handle the ball four. Six I. Don't know if the five. Are Spread. Offense Sata was happening all the time. That's how standards were used differently and today there was more of a skill set because all have hook shots. All handled jumpers. Backup game stuff like that could protect the Rahmonov, but they could shoot as well. Most of them are pretty good. Free throw shoes fact recall. No Real clunkers like that today with some of these guys and. I WOULD WANNA play against these guys today, student, big and strong I mean velocity now. They're going so fast and there's so much bigger and so much. Just well conditioned 'cause they're all in a train like the guy in the rocky dome. You know what I mean. It's not so. This is a lot of contact. Even noted says I was robbed, but a big. Days the two things that I think have been lost. Maybe not loss because some guys have him, but but number one is the skill. And number all have the skill I I'm not saying they don't have the skill. The problem is is that they don't get a chance are not encouraged to do it because of the way they. A game played is at the coaches telling now. It is a great head now since forever. The best shot is a three points ship out. So you're just you're shot is dispensable kind of attack. It's okay you know we needed. Sometimes. Most of the time were hoping you get double team, and that's why we wants you to get really good, because we really WANNA double take, so we check it out. There are shoes. That's the philosophy of the game. Up And You know. I mean how many. Alva penetration how many passes result in three as opposed to a two or layup? Yup I would say. Percents ends up being three point effort, either the first one out of the second one on czar, but it becomes a perimeter passing game marks. Skip past game, but it's always somebody behind the are. So. That's the widely devalued, and that's why. The beginning I didn't like the three point play. Very beginning I, said I don't I. Don't like first of all I. Don't never get to shoot them so I, would i? You know and if you work at something hard enough, he couldn't get decent added. His heart shot most of the time. You're wide open, so it's not that hard really if you build a groove on, but it's like no. You know who is a three point play. More important than my hook shot over Jabbar. We're GONNA have a swimming. Diving. We're going to grade the shot now. Mean you know that's not right? At first degree of difficulty. So I said so. It's okay. Let's just use it understand the you want to keep people in the seats and Bob. Bob Is out raise you ought to. Keep the interest in San I. Get it okay I, said so. The game using the to all the way up to the began to fourth period. Just play fourth period. But to three point play. Because now, especially shot. That's what you you know you, so. That's what it was. I think they. If they did it today, it'd be good, because then the rest of the game trying to attack the basket because the two would be is percentage shop. Just like sense in the numbers are numbers are leaving talk numbers. Just the Game Cowan's. You remember. It came in in seventy nine eighty year last year with the Celtics. And, remember how the coach was Fitschen anybody talking about? What was a Lhasa Naveen? Talking about? How Yeah! How often do you? Should you do it I? Mean I is looked at the stats. Able our coach. There was no amid mid nineties in all that it was. Still weren't using it. All that time it took, it took twenty years for that things on got it. And I think down Lori at this guy that finally convinced everybody at the other way to go with the and put the phrase in Mogi Be. Troublemaker down there in Texas. That's the one you. You what he shows the Moxie. I, was you know? Interested to see you know once that happened. Or anything from them again night burn quiet about everything. That's smart though on his. Commissioner and him had he had A. Sure about that because I mean if you think about it, you, you care about the human race of the marketplace. Kind of decision. It is you, gotTa. You gotTA play out in the Middle Little Bit. You, edging Oj and and did coach extensively in the in the NBA including also in. A year so in a with women, but my question is this date CBA to the CBO? Yes, that's right. Was the Worcester? Yes, As a player, the Difference Between Playing and coaching with regard to the winning and losing feeling a as a coach. What was more, the greater sensation? Hating to lose or or satisfaction winning? Not have to talk bad. You're glad you didn't have to talk bad about some your best players to the to the press after all those things in. A, by after the game you after the game you saw yet, we tried Ralway. You know really. Rob You can't really say that you can't run a player down. You gotta be real diplomatic. So that's the best part of winning is a colts. Have to do this. It'd be way more diplomatic these days than. Back then asked me these guys now. Our our more thin-skinned than ever When you going out? You don't want to run, but dot goes. As most of the time guys you know you. You really know that they're trying hard. You know Again you always gotTA. Dance around the issue to somebody that do this or maybe you know what I mean. It's always about the negative in on when you went into the positive. When you when you were going out, Larry, bird was a rookie or towards the end of your career. How quickly did it take you to realize? Larry was going to be Larry in the NBA. In that rookie year for him. Couple days. It's it. Into right away. Something he did. I wasn't thinking about him like a movie star something biologists as a basketball player. You know you know the. was just get better at first of all. He liked the game. You played hard practiced hard. He trying it took it serious. You could tell forgotten able to achieve achieved but he was. But he just tried to fit in, but Larry is. He's has leadership mentality. Me Approaches loud unlike Michael Jordan like a lot of guys in on that level. You know hit at at a young age, and that was his thing you know, and so you could see that in. Not Afraid of you know being a guy. So it was good, but that what year? Did. You have that swagger from day? One that he that he was, it was It was it was a confidence. It was just this is my approach. This is what I bring to the game, and he just lays it out there all the time you could tell the guy was trump's flared way hammer ball decisions he made. They just play with a guy a couple of times. You see how they move out the ball. You says aggressive you. Do so thanks. You know you're going to play against a little bit Stephen and you could tell. The quickness is reaction. That's what he does so good. In was so quick. In a really make quick decisions because he was little bit ahead on a lot of. Attention, he was so into it. It involved that rookie year though he made it I told me He's still thought you were the leader and you were. The guy should take shot he. He did too far I. Don't know if it was ever any conversation that you had anybody with with you or anyone else now. The only time I said anything no. I didn't care about shit I play with applejack Joe doing all these. You know who cares just for whatever happens a long season eleven. But the only thing I said Larry one time. Is At. I would always lined up on free throws when the tape was shooting a free throw I be on with the big guy. In Larry usually would have a guard or somebody at times, a little garden on at one spot. In between on the free throw attempts you know so I'm I'm getting. It stays up on blocking my guy out ready. Get in. Larry comes from that side of the room of over there. I. The. Office rebound. You can't just come in and get one in front of movie because he got nobody. So if you want to adult, you guard this guy. You always get the big guy. I'll go. A mention you mentioned how the check and of course. We've about a year or two John's passing and how? I am disturbed I think he's falling a little bit between through the cracks history when they talk about the ultra truly great players. And under disturbs me. People are starting not unaware now out great John Havlicek was. Could you just talk a little bit about you know what it was like to be his team? were. Who's WHO's asking? WHO's I mean people it's. Fifteen out. You know I mean to me. The anti was every bit as good as Western in the last five years of all he was. Guarded both of them. They got to say he. He's on that level to me when you WanNa Talk Oscar Robertson Jerry West. You GotTa Talk. Allergy and people don't. That's all saying ovum. Is your question so describe how John Havlicek scored all those points. Don't tell me what he did. Spill scoreless four. We moved without the ball with that. That's what they but they weren't all layup Sir Willing. Of course I, he would, he would have been a three point shooter today easy, easy. You would've. Had that rage and he would have made. He would have been a devastating. Oh, we know man floor better than most people, aren't we? Let let any. He worked to get open came. Dixie came up. You know he could get shots off any you know any time. He needed to, but think of his style he was. It made he was. He was a shot. Is A shot maker. and. Thanks it could be off balance near leader Nancy doing something here. They're kind of gang to didn't have to just be all set up like for me. If I was set up Nice. Arctic good chance of making it. Me Drifted and all this stuff I probably to be that good John Wasn't like that he can make that just from the air. Really good shooters cans. Shot an in triple overtime. The tied the game though. Leading banker. I sounds like a Nolan Ryan fastball off the glass anyway. But my God this is. To be able to touch it up like like, let's talk about what he wants used to back down the middle coming down on the break I never saw anybody. As recently as Johnson Bank down the middle for twelve, fifteen feet, thirteen light inside a room. Anna double-overtime. We played in Boston against Milwaukee. teardrop role are when your mom really challenging. He went just the as second to a pie, then he had, the wanted came down and break it hit. The Rim came back at him, and he put him back. Actually you hundred percent, so he was one of those kind of guys that he was. You know you had to pay attention to it all the time. Because, like you say move without the ball. It was a good Macha was him Bradley. Match because they were kind of the same bill. Bradley wasn't as good as John Well, there's a story behind the story. Goes with that one that you may not know. But John told me this story that Tommy Heinsohn, Wednesday in high at said to. John the next time gladly puts two hands on your hips. What to take the ball and smashing in his face and John said but hawk. That was Thomas Nickname of the team, but Hawk doesn't bother me at all. Lug Guts. But I know what mutual Admiral John Doe Bradley. Going to be a really a complete respected giant, just lump planning, it's John. Not to two peas in a pod where they played the game, you know. I think to John had bill never really was a good drive with the ball bill as it goes step. He was more of a Rick Mount type of player okay. Scorn how he used to score. You one so much in your career. You had that one year it, didn't you? Guys have that seventy, seventy, seven, seventy eight, when you guys weren't very good before you kinda got Larry in there What was that like for you? Can't remember. WHO's eager before? You took over as as we what. What was that whole year and a half or two years? You're losing then you take over your player coach and you don't see any of that anymore. Player coach. It couldn't have been always the last one to do it. That right. was that sets. There's a good reason i. It for everybody. Nobody wants a job. You don't want that job. Nice No. Hey did you in LAS redoing both? Both for I got no raise bonus or anything. That's. Better agent. I took it on the chin. When ready to say it's all about family all. Fell for it. But. I was asking you about where you were draft day? But there's another story I want to hear out. How'd you find out you'd be? The MVP nineteen seventy two seventy three season. after after some gain brought a ball into the locker room and I think that's when they told everybody on made that announcement in the locker, room. And so they had A. Basketball put some. Tape on and said they pay. Three. Did it meet I mean did it mean a ton you like it does to. These guys now are just move on. No. Meant a lot to me. Because the press nothing to do with it was all about the players. The coaches voted on that one. Pay Hey hey, watch it though that's the way that's the way that's the people when your peers vote for you. That's a big. Watch episode one of the last dance. And what was your impression? I liked it, you know. I got so let's respect for guys that can play that level on a consistent basis. Just do it. Do Take the challenged night in and night out in basically over cheese. You know for the most far all the time, so lads off the to him. Sandwich, he's about that team. No, I main help. They could WANNA championship without. Your I mean. They were pretty damn good. AMAS did you know? They came real close that year against the Nixon was one bad call by Hugh Holland. Sit. That took a game away from the Bulls in massive square garden. They may made gone on to beat. The rockets that year ninety four they. They went fifty five games without him. So He. Gold. Made against the Nixon seventy three lower in the playoffs with. Easter Sunday and a double overtime game down there and they called Nellie. We had the lead in calling. They were taken out of bounds with the League. Nellie tastes one and a half steps up the sideline bag, causing for abolishign. No problem getting the ball and compression was put suppressor on. The ball a school overtime over time we lose. I can feel as train right there. You mentioned Nelson People Today. Die Nelson led the League in field goal, percentage, age, thirty, five, nine, hundred, seventy, four, seventy, five and ninety percent of numbers. You will note if team foot jump shots fowler jump shot seventeen foot. Just now Nellie as A. Player in his character about Nellie. Well? said that when he grew up, he played at on forest the farm and our and he said where the basket was. It was right in the area where the chickens roamed around. He said so I always had that crap all by hand. So that's why used a stick him. Familiar. Story I don't know. But felt people. Dave alluding he was notorious. He had this substance that he would hide. The, slow spin and under assurance and. Control, your post I. Think Nelly Nelly. Hiding place to stick them, but the stick them any of them to have the greatest up fake in the league, right or big hands hand. Wide Spam and He'd always get what you really had. A good one like that reuss. The whole thing was good. You know he got guys going for that. I've never I saw. His whole thing was Kinda like that I wish I. See Him put the stick him on before games. was consistent. So what they do is, he would put the gauze around his wrist, but one thing of tape. And he put some Goo Bonnet then he put another couple, and so it just lose through the holes in the tape takes parks, so it just like a and so it kind of Brown, looking up dirt and stuff like that. So then he had one short short show head one. It had taped the whole thing under the the the edge of trucks, and he did the same thing, so he could go, and if you see him all the time he's. He's got his trunks and then somebody ratted on because it was illegal, so then he put it on the side of a shoe, the instep of the shoe. You know so he could do. You don't have any had been way down eight I. I. Your boy your boy Paul. Silas got to what he was using to. Paul's always Gordon toll always going that, we, I. I saw now. is against the Lakers seat the fake at the end of a break, and wherever the Laker was sailing weight off under the court, a guy, literally the first. One, you may remember this one one night. They did the up fake. The Dwight Davis of rockets and he slapped the backboard. As. Yeah Dwight David snap the bipolar. Down now we laid the ball in. Nobody can. How can anybody today? We'd like to? Because there's nothing like that. There's nothing, but he was he was. Always in the Games one and seventy eight, RPM said he's at forty five. I know what being. In the groove in our buddy run past, and all of a sudden you're. Right here why I travel around to break. You are willing to break. That aren't that that's gone. That's. The. This is because then you can pass your like a one dribble to the basket is ways to get it. Now, here's the thing, too. I I when we go live from ten to to recall time out. Now is the time for a run a fourteen play for Nellie. Guys when. They came up member topic. What with the fifteen with triple thick? Clay. Or. Don't yeah, it was a triple going to come down to the last one to come down from the Balkan. You set for the one dribbled the ball. Book by Yeah and then you set the pick it was. I'm all, and I can still see. It was his name Don forward, but a Lakers and flailing, trying to get through one night. A pathetic things overwhelmed by three guys I mean it was just such a different game the nature, so go right from what you just described him on a trailer. You come down. He gets about eighteen feet. Have the luxury of your. If you're open or you give them the Nellie thing he drive. You try to make a play what would happen today? The coach would say. Don't take that shot. Stop at the three point line. Had those for nine extra five eight four five feet difference. They'RE GONNA go to that that stat, and so you say what's change that right there so now would take away any kind of going to the basket by a big guy. Another skill you know that if you didn't all the time, these guys today as I said before. May Be able to do all those things really well, but they being charged to do it. It would practice it in game since you Latian. But they've never been able to do that. But it was all set up in the first quarter setting things up, so you could want his counterplay in the fourth quarter I. It was the most of the same one that was like an equal opportunity. Play because. You know you always said you could. You had a one play, but then if you WANNA do use John in it as opposed to Don Jane and Joe. Why did you say okay we'll put? John and Africa Cheney and put him Oh so you do the whole. You know the one are the ones See New York? A are. All these different combinations. Seriously yeah, but I mean but I mean. I got to learn on this. You know setting people up from fourth quarter. Snake. The our guys! A lot of movement with alcohol to get a setup Larvik show. It. It was just different in the thing, and I miss the most obvious the. The contrast between. The coaches and their systems like you know John would have the Cla yes. Dick Meyer head. Of the Bulls. Hawk play at his whole set on the guy getting a ball at the elbow. And then you know they had some of that big guys ended in the middle, and so you know everybody would come up with different systems. Now it's all middle pick and roll. It's just pick and roll out to pick and roll. That's what it is I mean, and that's what everybody does, so. They WANNA get isolation. They want to get the. Law Spread Mason. Archie Clark said man. I wish I had seen that much court ahead of me when I had. Making a living at the basket. Well we played, it was all scrunched in, so the IT really discouraged dribbling. Passing as You mentioned bulls teams that one thing lease. Three pointer did all that is spread out more dribbling or jumping in the air, or turn it around or all stop, and so it gets back robotic and I think the fans like it, so it's been good in terms of fan had trust. I think the betters can bet on it now. It's getting consistent, so that keeps their interest. In makes it makes a different thing I mean without. Betting I. Don't think sports would be all that popular. Tell you the truth. That's my opinion. I mean there's there's guys that love competition, but most people on these still don't care about Oregon. Play in Washington it. I just keeps everything you know chart your. Works, on itself. I. Know. People bartenders out a lot of people like the wager in on social settings just the way it is. Before. A big industry, look at look at Vegas Right now Nichole Oscar on sterile. Give it. Give us your favorite read story before we let you go. You kinda gets mentioned the Chinese food that was always in his office. I guess we had the launch. The always said the line should have Sam Canaan there are. Jackson honor or somebody like that at the end there that he's in court use slogan, Cigar Woods other openers. Deli sandwiches Coleslaw and pickles in all. Reckon probably what a diet coke! WHAT HE DRANK! Yeah, he wasn't doing these open Komo Pepsico. Though coffee our. Never aide as he sat never today, go Chinese food. Go as an risk. He didn't like like a song. Your Friday scrambling. In but. It was it was Nice When Debbie was pregnant and she went to. WanNa practices. He bring her over some blocks in bagels and stuff like. This good that way. Always thinking. You know the story supposedly that He went to scout you playing your senior year at Dayton and he after about half verse happy walks out and look like he was unhappy. China CON everybody in that they can. It wasn't interested in you. I don't know if you heard that story, but that was. Heard a log. True. Effected Anybody's opinion. What cousy said cousy had number five pick of. Any was Cincinnati so. That's my hometown. Now won't. Story about read about read and So when my father had heard that he the doctor stopped working ought of Jack. We've been keeping you liable. Do No more for you so I taught read was an hospital at the time himself. Any a couple years older, my so. I called as it how you doing. Involved Blah, I said. What's wrong? He said everything. So I ask you a call. My Dad goes is relationship when I told her the news it again, another read Col, Pham. They talk about you know. Costa, Dine and all that stuff so that's Kinda. About, read, that's. In play very well. I guess I didn't ask him right. Always your contract when you first got in the League. Do you remember what you made a year? I made about fifteen dollars a minute. What was the year where year ninety was Winding Grant. which was a ton of money back then right ninety. You? I'm twenty one years. Old is pretty good. Yeah, you're right. Your last your last contract. You remember what it was. It was it was north of there. Hope I hope. delile particularly be beat. Everybody signed. Three year deals you know you know, know independence. We're talking about how he signed such a long term. Offset at the end, but I guess REINSDORF. Guys that I? It is terrible, hard fast roll! The data. That gate. Renegotiations. That's the way read thought. I don't think there's any question about that. Will. Renegotiate if he wanted to. You want it to. Keep and they had another year on contract at a good price. You know he's. Another one, he hated incentives, he didn't want to hear about. If you make the all star, team said. You better make the All star team. That's right that's. Well listen. We really appreciate you jumping on Dave, This is fun this blast. And I know for you guys. I can listen to this all day and the story, so we'll. We'll do it again. Be Safe. Where are you now? You Omen, wear where we live in May. Cut! Up here I have. Nice right on the lake and I'll tell you. It's worked up today. It's worked up big time. Yeah, well, listen listen everybody. Be well all right I. Stop to excellent. Thank you. Brother.

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Hour 3 - David Wharton (07-02-19)

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Hour 3 - David Wharton (07-02-19)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one sports net production available on apple podcast and podcast one this summer there's only one trusted plays let you get in on all your favorite sports betting action bet online dot agee she sign up today for a free account at bet online dot agee and use promo code podcast one fifty percent off welcome bonus or text now two two three eight six six nine that's b e t n o w two three eight six six nine to recede your fifty percent welcome bonus don't sit on the sidelines this summer from major league baseball to the women's world cup in all things you fc bet online dot h g has you covered visit bet online dot agee and don't forget to use the promo code podcast one in bed online dot aj your online sportsbook experts broadcasting from the mercedes man cave this is dan patrick final hour on this tuesday dan in the dannettes dan patrick show co why leonard is still oh one to man man out on a limb probably not until the end of the week will find out where he is going to set up shop feels like it's gonna be the lakers at least a most of you're chatter is about the lakers indications the lakers and the fact that he's in las angeles now to make this decision perhaps bodes well for the lakers but a once we hear something get the feeling that maybe there is truth to some of these rumors and a will bring that to you a we have interesting story we're gonna talk to david ward new time she wrote an article about a senior marathoner marathon who is accused of cheating and we'll talk about v a degree to which this marathon or perhaps went to to a win his age division that'd be a marathon there a let me see what else usa england that's later today the warriors will retire kevin durant's number thirty five i get the feeling that this was one of those how do we make this say happy ending here how do we make this a really nice screwed by this a win win nobody will be talking about it nobody wanna do a thirty four thirty in a you katie's final year golden state and you know we just want it to everybody move on here you know what better way to have everybody move on then into retirement number thirty five with the golden state warriors okay what's the shortest amount amount of time somebody is played on a team this time hadn't gotten their jersey retired is there any numbers the stats inc have anything on that make love and ask them the shortest amount of time somebody played with a team name oh remember we looked at some teams were tired numbers of like jordan somebody retiring the heat retired jordan i'm talking about somebody who played which team how ridiculous is that by the way why do you retire michael jordan's overfeeding play for you a it everybody and then be benefited from michael go jordan why yes boy kevin durant hasn't even been gone a week he hasn't been gone forty eight hours i know he's getting his jersey retired forty eight hours but i just wanna know of the players who actually played for an organization which the shortest this amount of time somebody got their jersey retired i'd be curious about that eight seven seven three dp show email address dp dan patrick dot com twitter handle at dp show say good morning to our radio and tv partners mclovin what's they update on the poll results we still have the katie time machine okay poll which is so controversial if he could go back where he resigned are what he signed with the wars seventy six percent say yes they only reason why i asked this is he didn't feel loved he's not gonna get full credit he did win two titles and he blew out his achilles because do you have to factor that into that's part of the equation if you said to him leaving oklahoma city you're gonna win two titles and then you're gonna get injured in the playoffs you're gonna blow out you're achilles end you're gonna leave golden state would you sign up for i don't know if it's cut and dry but you go yeah sure i'll risk my achilles at his age and you've got the two titles but i felt like he needed to win the titles to please check the box to say hey you're one of the great scores players of all time i want a couple of titles i a david warton l eight times he a his latest article is l a's marathon disqualify senior runner for alleged cheating and a certainly interesting the twist interns with this and david kind enough to join his david summarize the story for us a well we have this a runner here in las angeles a seventy year old named frank mesa a very respected man in this community he's a he's a position he spent a lot of time trying provide low cost healthcare and inventor young students in he's been a lifelong runner butter around eight sixty he started running marathons and after a few years started showing some pretty market improvement and over the last three or four years he's been running under three hours which is kind of a mark of distinction for marathon runners end he's been either getting close to or or surpassing age group record's but the thing is is that there's been this huge sort of debate that's that's kind of riled up in the running community about whether or not he's cheating anti has been disqualified twice marathons four times it just didn't look right when they looked at the split times he was banned from one marathon in california and now in this recent ellie marathon he he want it for his age group cetera recor and 'em but there were more accusations that were coming out there were photographed a graph they found from security cameras and race cameras showed him coming back onto the course and they couldn't tell exactly where he had left an a as the as the race officials just announced this weekend when they went back and figure out his times four one five kilometer stretch he would have set the age group world record's for five kilometers just running five kilometers alone so race officials say that's just impossible to do in the middle of a marathon so they they have disqualified emitted it's just a it's just a strange story because it it brings up this whole history of of people cheating a in what it amounts of recreational running i mean they're not doing this for money or you know for glory has divided david yeah he he's a he you know i i have talked to quite a bit over the last few weeks and he says he doesn't cheat he doesn't really have an explanation for the strange split times that have gotten in disqualified he says he left the course because he needed to use the restroom and then he wandered along the sidewalk walk for a while before he found one so that might account for him at leaving at one point in entering it together but beyond that he doesn't have a whole lot of explanation edge in marathons it you know there's thousands and thousands of people out there on city streets even experts say that the only way you can really tell someone correctly ran it is if they have an observer running with them and he is refused a hammer observer running with him has any well you know it's a marathon originally suspected something in two thousand fifteen so they told him they said look we can't prove anything but if you come back and run next year we want you to run with unofficial observer and he said fine but then the following year he decided to run another marathon in northern california's spring and didn't run ellie when he came back year after that you know he didn't ask for it he says he thought it was just the one year offer and l eight people were keeping track so he ended up running the next three years without a without a server knowing what you know i know you're supposed to go you know not be biased here do you think he cheated you know i think there's an awful lot of evidence that he 'em but as i said even the people who were some of the people who have some of the strongest accusations acknowledge that you know you can't really prove it unless you're with the guy every step of the way and that's why a lot of the running community really really wants to see what he does with an observer on just to prove what i think a lot of people already at this point believe it feels like if you wanna prove people wrong in that you didn't cheat that would be the easiest way to do it a better gps you know there's even a case in florida awhile back of a you know and it is it just really strange thing in the running community where they're these really successful people in their careers and their live who ended up cheating eating at marathons you know you the last people you would think would want to or need to do that and there's a case in florida of a woman i believe she was in ivy league educated 'em economist or something like that and i can't recall right now but she went back an apparently cut corners and then went back in wrote her bike through portions of the race to fill in the blanks on the gps there's a there's a nap you couldn't use the runners views and it wasn't until they noticed that some of the portions of the race which kinda showed up as a straight red line a were from different times 'em an and that was when they caught her and she admitted to it so even gps is at full first wow isn't that interesting though that you get these people who were very successful in business in a way to approach business to be successful and then they would take shortcuts in something like running a race you know there's this guy in ohio who's admittedly a very slow runner but who has is a is a data analyst who has made it his sort of passion passion to to investigate these things he has a website called marathon investigation dot com written about this is true i could not make the mets very mitch by the way i read yet but mitch but passionate following a so he you know he i i asked him if he looked into so many of these things an and he said you know i asked like why are these people doing this because there is this trend out there for successful people cheating and he's like i wish i just throwing yeah that's crazy hey it's great to talk to you david we appreciate your time and thank you for joining us this morning hey my pleasure and that's a david martin a l eight times yeah i help with my wife doing boys and girls club five k and the people are so serious so serious about it and you know did you start the clock on time were just trying to raise money for the boys and girls club an you know these people come in in they're they're they're times as the core set up shirts exactly five k do i get a trophy you know we had a gentleman who is in his eighties and then they got upset we didn't have a trophy for a guy in his eighties who completed the five k and i go i i didn't know that that that was what this was about getting trophies i thought it was just improving you're time they go no no he deserves a trophy he's eighty and i go all right will get a trophy apple so this gentleman loss angeles frank meza who is being accused i i i got a picture i'm here he's been unbelievable shape for thirty year old as much as a seventy year old what would be the mentality of someone who has a very successful career respected the community gave active philanthropies and obviously you must be in great shape even participate in this what's the mentality to do this to cheat there's no prize money is just notoriety status notoriety yeah i think so in cla marathon you're from loss angeles i believe i but i i don't know what goes into somebody who's had where they go whatever it takes to win my my my division the sixty year old division i got whatever takes i'm gonna cheat just having observer run with you don't like deep sea don't they have those little gps watches you could you could switch it with another person if you want a cheap but yeah well he i think he was saying you know they he may have swapped out his is a jersey number yet they said because he had it on his hip and have been easy the swap out most of the people have it on their chest yeah yeah in that you know that therefore that could probably give you a different time you really deserve wouldn't be great if he ran with observer and nailed it and says yes yeah scoreboard i know but if you wanna stop it then that would be the way to stop it just having observer run with you yeah he ran he ran it in two minutes and fifty two hours to two hours and fifty three seconds right so he won for his age group guess what the time was the second place seventy year old plus person those two hours and fifty three minute secondplace was three fifteen or ten four hours on ten minutes danny adams who is now first you're kind of like vince young reggie bush it when you're cheating on they can't get every answer cheated to well yes i got a ton of that yes yeah myself in the front row no this outlets just reading about a boston marathon and it it started in like eighteen ninety eight or something like that right and the first person to win the boston marathon ran it in about the same time as the seventy year old guy two hours and fifty two hours in like fifty four minutes and like that yeah apple this great website marathon investigation dot com which chop up which had a lot of sponsored by the way they have frank messes marathon history in over the past five years he's run a dozen on marathons in under three hours and all the times are anywhere between two fifty three to fifty nine so if he cheats he must be a very good cheater at getting his time similar okay interesting that he cheated every one of these race but how can you go to the bathroom and then lollygag down the sidewalk bathroom takes forty five seconds forty five seconds though well granted he's gonna win his age division right he's smoking other people but i would think if you're on you're a you're world record's pace you wouldn't you wouldn't be going to the bathroom the leaders never go to the bathroom while they do on themselves they just don't stop the man yeah i covered in new york city marathon grove lights that wasn't good it's a beautiful day in central park that day but a red lights g a stomach issues she adds stomach stomach issues and she kept running and i think she was like that scene in bridesmaids yes yeah out on the street a yeah and then you know it's not like we ran to interviewer after we wait a little while yes fritzy he's talking about a lot of okay recompense all right i like that about now thank you thank you to a nick in arizona georgia's fine equity have for me today a big fan first time caller sixty two hundred so you guys were talking earlier about the shortest amount of time somebody without a destination for them to get their jersey retired be it's gonna be why in toronto if he leaves yeah well they they may not retirees jersey but they'll build a statue a but thank you nick it might be a i don't know if there's anybody else now aside from somebody who passed away where you know they would retire jersey number in this isn't a jackie robinson either where everybody retired the number forty two yeah michelob stats is looking up right now trying to get get a shorter term ever to retire yeah i just me i'd be curious of some of the names on that list but are they gonna retire co wise jersey or they're just building in statue maybe they do both but it feels it's like you know just vince carter have a statue in toronto i'm not big on the statues by the way a but you know if you if you wanna build a statue okay you know vince would be a great statue i don't think he's gonna have a statue for somebody who you know maybe wasn't a great leaper great shooter like ben wallace you know that that wouldn't be very good help defense yeah yeah like you'll know slough off my guy you know block you were shot and you don't even know in their yes nick foles has statue in philly he does ataman doug peterson a gain planning the phillies special on the sideline right outside of a do we really need a statue you know i mean really well the you know the longtime criticism of statues in philadelphia is that a there is a statue of rocky and there's no joe frazier statue true that did not go over well with drugs and just hey real boxer who wanna heavyweight championship of the world as opposed to eight fictional one that's a big statue in philly the rocky what yes in philly if they do when they should be brandon grams strip sack of brady 'cause it's over if he doesn't get in there and myself all always say that the eagles would have gotten the ball back and rammed the right down again no there is no time left maybe it's an eight point game right yeah i i think i don't think the eagles are gonna be i think they would have gotten the ball the patriots were movie everyone's moving up and down the field at like a hundred miles an hour it's a pretty big play though were there any punch in that game i'm pretty sure you're right that there were i know the patriots didn't pull may have been the first three quarters bell check yeah i don't i just for some reason i thought the eagles mia punted once you're like brady like had five hundred yards and that gives you were like right at five hundred yards any should have caught a touchdown so when he well he should have caught a pass so i don't know he's a little far out he could have gotten there maybe okay maybe yes both ran a gram strip sack of brady a the patriots were down five five points with two sixteen left on the clock and they had and i'm out and the two minute warning so brady had the go a sixty see six yards into sixteen with a timeout and the two minute wentz and eternity right i mean they they couldn't have run out the clock i think the eagles would have been down to you telling me that the patriots had any prayer to stop the eagles proudly with a minute left i'm gonna say was in haddon punted all game let's put it this way i i wonder who people would have bet on before a three second oh yeah i think ram strips oh yeah yeah i like the patriots might have gotten the ball back again they they they threw the jump on the gronk yeah they say they it could have driven i've got a touchdown eagles could touch on the patriots would at one more drive it was not a defensive a no it was not yeah no that was the one good thing you had to think about who the mvp was you could take both defenses off well rival i didn't know who the mvp was going to be i i assumed it was gonna be nick foles but when you get up on the podium you're just you know the stage you're you're trying to get answers from people in everybody is just you know it's crazy it's chaotic in everybody's got their roles and everybody's doing their jobs and then i'm just trying to find out something simple do we have the vote the way who the mvp is who's the mvp anybody got the mvp i'm just speaking into the microphone to the people who upstairs with the producers directors like anybody anybody got anything yet and then all of a sudden the commissioner comes up then all of a sudden the trophy ceremony starts in all you wanna know is hey who she mvp and then you know because it's still happening that one time when rothlisburger thought he was the mvp when he came up on to be a the state should have been mvp but it would send tonio home i did not know that until joe nemeth bringing that trophy up an i have no idea if if ben is mvp or san antonio homes is in finally somebody else up it's homes and that's when i found out so it's chaotic there but you know nick foles who is deserving of eagles punted once in the second quarter in that in that super bowl that'll be a tough recor to break no no punches in a super bowl that'll be tough they made up for last year i oh my gosh yeah you're right now in was so we were parched waiting for some all fence there any kind of all fence there i twentyone after they are more phone calls coming up in a in amazing an amazing streak ended on thursday you might not be aware of this and amazing using street 'em it had to do with the yankees for you coming up here twentyone after the hour dan patrick show are you 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and i had lobster friday oslo with a big bottle of red wine it's you know it's okay i got a question for you guys and my wife and i had dinner last night in its are anniversary in my wife because she we drop to the waitress at it's her anniversary like well no be nice be nice you know they'll they'll give you a free dessert or whatever they do but we didn't do it man we want it to just kind of like experiments see what would happen well i doing that were in we've gone out to dinner and all say a you know blah blah blah oh well it's a special day right and then waiter waitress will go whoa whoa what is it birthday on just a special day should we have done that and just year anniversary is milk it get a free dessert you never know what you're gonna get yeah i would we should have right maybe a drink thank yeah forget i think you gotta do that that we did that to a friend of ours wants to maybe who's very made it very clear didn't want anything about his birthday we went to one of those kind of place where they seem to you and stuff just oh yeah awesome and it was just made these nights seen him just turn all kinds of shapes purple in reading investments so for his birthday you did exactly would ask you not to do yes yes and i i applaud you for that i would do the same thing really whatever you do make a big deal about it oh okay sooners you sit down hey his birthday yeah i really am a big you know bring over everybody and see what we see 'em there is one place friday days have you ever gone to friday's in in when every every waiter comes over and sings happy birthday so it's like as i got my own version of happy birthday being burnt there eight red bull deep as miserable herbal miserable to like oh crap but somebody's birthday i could never do that job not in a million where you have a god a mention of a big streak is coming to an end this thursday the mazing street after three decades of polling every yankee game on radio john sterling's consecutive streak will end this thursday john sterling by the way john turns eighty one on thursday yes would you check and see if john sterling share the same birthday is john george steinbrenner july fourth i think that's george stein british birthdays well the last time he did not coli yankee game last time he missed the yankee broadcast don mattingly which playing first base andy on sanders was in the outfield that's how long it's been policies that true georgian john sterling july fourth yep okay a but that streak is coming to an end a he didn't disclose why but a he says he hasn't been feeling one hundred percent i did not know john sterling was eighty one good for him yes fritzy so i guess we gotta come up with some kind of clever things fair john sterling the way he does for the player no no no no no we have to address is there a is there a best one with john sterling 'cause i know no no is there a really good one last ride to the rescue saying the way the way once again is there a really good one i was always uncomfortable without one with the decky match sui batting in the same lineup where they rod is unfortunate yes that was not a great called there is there a great john sterling call i know we make fun of a lot of these home run call brush or edwin encarnacion the yankees take us to hear it to to derrick jeeter southern brazil or anyway thank you brought to you by carvel ice cream is there is there one that's so bad it's great oh dear yet john carlos me whom pump their own all right good that what's going on a long drive the right center field is high set is far less gardy party they can yes todd i'm just taking it all in do you have a favorite or at least favorite i like the jim carlo one when he starts going and getting other languages in marin county pitch fastball strike on one ninety five from herman power against power really good match up with criminals and then try blasting the strange but anyway it'll be anyway he he sort of floats in his own mind he sort of corrections so far it's like they don't know people are listening to the right hander deals going on right better but back is both both pizza i just saw he caught the ball about sues oddly try what i loved about i thought it was gone i really did oh we could tell the right hander deal throwing out now were being mean spirited our just celebrating knowing on the three wanda swisher cutter high from monument it's on hyun far if you're a pitcher right field plaid shirt that there is a true judo alex swung on and drill deep right center that bad side it is it is time over the right to get kicked over come sorry i'm sorry i got that all wrong i got it all wrong at the wall davis made the automated gave up oh let's go to is that anybody could call it right this is more fun no what's happening when you're listening oh there goes rubbed it as high as far as the grandstand output not bleachers sin gino he hit a two run home run or the areas gary sanchez chino but then you had be bam tino dino more team yeah oh alex rodriguez is greater than yeah that's my all time favorite that's the best call he's never goes hey rod is had the best week of anybody in the history of mankind his or any other life the best month and i'm thinking jc may have had a better week when he had a better three days so not a full week after week stunk believing yeah oh right yeah right it started really terrible and then got better as you went along there's a full month oh oh oh it's a full month okay i got my apologies i thought it was six rodriguez the outcome missouri and you know what maybe maybe he's being correct there which would you rather who's month would you rather have alex or saving all those dinger's or j c j c i think you would you yeah yeah yeah okay agree disagree yesterday columbus area give susan her due for a certain call she made to shoot well that was when roger clemens yeah made my my wife be that excited to see me as susan waldman was when she saw roger clemens in george steinbrenner xbox the two of them kinda worked perfectly together wait then we have the whole thing i'm trying to find oh okay i only have all john's call oh some of these you know one of them i have i don't i don't know that i wanna play 'cause it might be it might be to mean actually i'm not sure what some of these i just said waldman crying i don't know why she was crying oh yeah that might be a little more serious i don't she wasn't crying when roger clemens yeah i dunno i don't think so yeah it's blocked now that yes and you know to to to to to get the best way to watch all the action this year's wimbledon championships direct tv channel seven oh one through seven oh seven now through eighth of july six channels of coverage throughout the tournament a you'll be a gentleman's and leaves ladies draws hey match guide current scores resolves the entire field who order direct tv call one eight hundred direct tv i have some information here retired numbers in bnb hey so this is just cmb i because kevin durant's getting his jersey retired after three nate thurman right now is the leader he got his jersey retired by the cavaliers after one and a half seasons nate spent his glory days is salad days with golden state i believe he played it bowling green i i think he played in ohio is college ball but a the cavaliers after a one and a half seasons retired his jersey a julius erving after three seasons and the nets retired his jersey wilt chamberlain three and a half seasons with the seventy sixers and they retired his jersey clyde drexler three and a half seasons the rockets retired jersey shack three and a half seasons with the heat they did the same pete marriage four seasons with the hawks they retired his jersey oscar robertson four seasons with the bucks they retired bill walton four seasons with the blazers an charles barkley four seasons with the sons got their jerseys retired collide wouldn't be v a overall leader if it's eighty one in done and gets his jersey retired there in the trunk yes phone barkley makes sense with the sons 'cause he felt like he elevated that franchise and made him relevant and he sure entertain the fans were those four seasons okay i felt like you there forever nate thurmond that stints he had with the cavaliers harris four and a half points and five rebounds dan that's retirement jersey running he wasn't unsung big man he played with a golden state team with rick berry i believe and won the title i think they swept the bullets a nineteen seventy five but a i not sure why they retirees jersey but that's a one and a half seasons and then i think he retired after that so they they brought him in he was there and then he eventually retire i will take a break this day in sports history when we return what we learn what's in store tomorrow that's coming up support for the dan patrick show podcast comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans home is so much more than a house it's their own little slice of heaven that's why when 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right after this podcast this day in sports history have that for you coming up then it's always try to do this if you a watch on tv and of course the man cave and i got items where i placed them they you know they're specifically placed in certain areas and then occasionally somebody will pick up something somebody wants to play with something somebody wants to show somebody something and they never put it back you apple it's not us for i guarantee you we know i walk in this building i touch to piece of paper on my desk in my headset and then i leave yeah and i think the other guys on the same but we know not moving touching turn anything thing in place and we warned visitors and they're just a small thing there's a little figurines fritzy and that's one of my favorite things and it was turned around today yesterday when i left because it's always facing the name is facing facing me and it's just a little figurine fritzy with his bald head and a he's sitting on top of a glass an somebody turns around i don't know who did on who's playing with this stuff these are toys all this stuff around here is not toys no they're not know everything has a purpose little ball figurine of todd is not know that sort of toy it's symbolic of symbolic of todd smiling with a little football so yeah it's kind of cute yeah seems like he's in very good spirits when his little green shorts on yeah it's one of my favorite items that we have in here is you maybe a little bald head there near name on the back and then there's one where somebody made a a figure interview at caroline's doing stand up is very creative and he's like he could press a button and there's audio and yeah no laughter and tears there there is audio they're already a this day in sports history paulie i got a bunch of ashley three alex rodriguez became the third youngest player to be selected in the american league all star team nineteen ninety six dwight gooden ken griffey junior who younger in iran okay nineteen ninety five hideo nomo became the first japanese player selected the major league all star star game any five nineteen ninety four is ugly colombian soccer player andras escobar was shot to death in medine ten days earlier he hadn't known goal against his own team columbia in the world cup that is by the way if you wanna see tops three a thirty thirties the to ask about it yeah it's like a movie yeah i'm surprised it hasn't been made into a movie but you know thirty four thirty hello yeah who could possibly get something like that done all green lighted wait is that who you're talking about yeah okay this day in sports history brought to you by continental tire no matter what you drive where you drive how you drive they have a tire for you great folks at continental tire dot com by the way christian yelich each hit his thirtieth home run of the season yesterday in a win over the reds twelve left handed hitter to hit at least thirty home runs before the allstar break this goes back to nineteen thirty three anybody wanting a couple of left handers did it twice in one lefthander did it three times ken griffey junior did it three times berry bonds did it twice willie star jewel did it twice and then brady anderson chris davis they orioles chris davis i believe louise gonzales reggie jackson roger marris willie mccovey david ortiz jim told me now christian yelich with at least thirty home runs i remember when reggie jackson had that unbelievable season in nineteen sixty nine that's one i think he was on pace to break roger marris is record's and then he went to the all star game in detroit an i think he hit the light tower at tiger stadium off dock ellis if it was one of those home runs that you lost sight of like you weren't sure where when he hit it so he would hit it out of tiger stadium he hit the the light stanch in there in tiger stadium and i loved reggie jackson i love those uniforms i loved that he'd he'd be like a a corkscrew going into a bottle of wine when he would swing and miss you just felt he could just keep going down you know into the dirt you know like three feet but a christian yelich there's no a no drinks here another great season by him final results of the poll question mclovin if katie could create a time machine would he's still sign with the warriors seventy seven percent say yes by the way 'em mike florio is supposed to be on vacation he did weigh in on this poll question a shouldn't he stopped the kennedy assassination instead in his time machine no were only allowing him to go back to that decision mike florio external literal no he's in a time machine he could only go back to that did that day the decision that said i bet you forgive me option no kevin ray nice guy go back and i'm jfk and i mean nobody guessing but you also be curious if there is somebody on the grassy knoll just check it out at first like if there were two shooters how could he be guaranteed well i can't even get no no don't don't do don't do this late in the show strong opinions on like i it's still one of those great marilyn monroe's death in jfk staff where you just go wait a minute and then lee harvey oswald death like you go come on is anybody ever gonna tell the truth with this probably know the truth but i'm just i'm curious about that all right a fritzy what did you learn in today's program bleacher reports howard beck prefers first concern himself mormon outsider insider mc loving what did you learn today the nets joe harris who's gonna dinner with the four dannettes and you're maybe the pen no i would go i just can't have you know meet or chicken seafood right like i said you're maybe were not sure where inviting you have found okay and you don't have to be a buzzkill goes all guilt you into yeah i wanna order like playing paint you can't even printing and i can't in a plan to no end here's issue going to france coming up here they're kind of known for their food and drink over there she no counter what did you learn today susan waldman was really excited to see roger clemens dramatic dramatic scene where he it sounds like she more excited than she had been there when the hindenburg crashed falling what'd you learn matthew della vedova may not have her may have slept the floor during his vows yeah chris mannix gonna join us on the program tomorrow as we inch closer to be big decision by a quiet leonard who thinks it happens be fourth the fourth of july before the fourth of july oh you guys think it's like friday like fried fourth of july weekend nikolai goes 'em yeah gonna play fooling co why news dump it five three we will talk to a mannix about that whole scenario here as we inch closer to be final week be a last couple of days of free agency they're still a couple of players that are out there as boogie cousins signing with the lakers yet is he plan b if they don't get calling danny green who still on linked in hearing what did i learn today toddler you learned you find yourself staring at 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"It's all about me. Dan, patrick. There is more where that came from click back for new episodes all week. Log is maybe is my left me. No onus does goal SU only start Terry. What you do to me confrontation. They nethon. No TIMMY, you could bring a bullet. Bring swore bring a more. But you can't bring the trophy to me. Alexa, play Kendrick. Lamar and says, okay. With Amazon music avoid all you need get tens of millions of songs. Download the Amazon music app today. Broadcasting from the Mercedes men cake on this is Dan, Patrick, welcome to the program. Our one on this Thursday, Dan in the danettes, Dan Patrick show. Glad to have you onboard boys. You're all here. Ready to go, Chris, Mannix, and Sports Illustrated will talk about what's going on with the Golden State Warriors rich Eisen stops by on loan from the NFL network and the actor Jeff garland actor comedian from the goldbergs also curb your enthusiasm. We'll stop by the man cave. Mclovin have poll question got a few stats of the day. We'll hear from LeBron's James and Luke Walton after last night's performance. Ben Rothlisberger talks about lady on bell. All of that coming up here. We say good morning to our radio and TV partners direct TV audience network. That's channel two thirty nine brings you all three hours and also the NBC sports network and our great radio Phileas around the country. They don't make dynasties the way they used to. The free agency. You got salary caps. Those are probably the main reasons, but also when you have all of this talent, all of these egos players making a lot of money there brands under themselves. See you're trying to keep stars on the same page, and it can't be easy, and you can have a situation like San Antonio had. But that's unique there sort of the unicorns. You had very good players. You had a hall of fame player you had a hall of fame coach, and they were able to make that work because of their personalities with the patriots you have a dynasty. But you have interchangeable parts you basically have bell check and Brady and we've seen with their egos that they're not always on the same page. So the Golden State Warriors are on this incredible rut they won three of the last four titles heavy favorites to win again. And you're thinking, okay, what could derail the Golden State Warriors. The Golden State Warriors because the friction that is there that was their last year became very public a couple of days ago. Draymond green suspended for one game following his argument with Kevin Durant and Durant. I believe. Is leaving in free agency. I believe Draymond green believes that he is leaving and free agency. They Klay Thompson will stay and they'll be back to the you know, the three that helped build this dynasty here. So the warriors face a challenge. Now, there's a couple of challenges here you're trying to win a championship. But you're also trying to troubleshoot. How do we keep this team together? Kevin Durant not gonna take discount this time around. He did last. I think that Draymond green who recruited. Kevin durant? You know, the Hamptons five now feels like he's being slighted here. Like, I went out of my way. I wanted you here. And I was here. I we were here first. And now you come in. And now all of a sudden, you wanna leave, and I think Draymond green is taking it personally. I was really surprised that the Golden State Warriors suspended him for again. I thought maybe you just do something privately to him. Maybe you don't start him the first game first half of the next game. But you made it public. So now, you pick sides, and if if it's true that Kev. Durant's not going to be there next year. Draymond green is going to be there next year. How do you smooth this over? And I think with Golden State picking sides here, and they clearly did. I think that'll be hard for Steve Kerr to be able to just keep this in house in something doesn't come up again because it will between these two and Draymond green is not afraid to stirred up a little bit. But the fact that you're saying this calling him the b word in the locker room. I mean, it s it s x escalated to a a moment is the where they had suspended. So there's a lot more that I think went on behind the scenes here for you to pick sides and sit down mongering, but we'll talk to Chris Mannix about this. Because I thought it was huge that the team cited with Kevin Durant. I thought that they could have placated both sides here. And just said look guys, you know, what Draymond I'm going to sit you down. You're not starting the next game. And then if somebody says, hey, you know, he's not starting as opposed to you. You are going to suspend him, and you're going to cost you one hundred twenty thousand dollars. That's a big move there. And I was really surprised at that. But we'll talk to Chris Mannix about that in. What goes on is? They try to move forward. Lebron James big night less. Night. You would've thought that this was game seven of the NBA finals the way he was playing against Portland, but big numbers for him. Forty four points, ten rebounds, nine assists, three blocks. He made five three pointers first player in NBA history to reach all of those totals in a non overtime game. But LeBron's team been wildly successful when he registers at least nine assists. So in the last thirty years, there's only two players who have a better record in such games when they have at least nine assists in a game. Tony Parker has the best winning percentage of any player when he gets nine assists. Chauncey Billips is second on the list, then LeBron James and Scottie Pippen and Steph curry so some pretty elite company they're LeBron moves past Wilt Chamberlain on the all time scoring list. We were talking prior to the show the Danette said, you know, what was Wilt Chamberlain like now I saw him when he was with the Lakers when he was. Isn't trying to score forty or fifty points. He was playing defensive blocking shots, and you had scores on the the Lakers yet Gail Goodrich, and you had Jerry West. But when wilt was playing, and we'll probably doesn't get enough credit because I think we look at it that you know, where we fully integrated had an advantage that he was that big. And that talented and the guys that he played against you know, he played against Bill Russell, and he did dominate Bill. Russell at times with big numbers. But team wise, the Celtics always want it strange that we don't look at will and validate those numbers, but we look at what Bill Russell did invalidate though championships and they played against each other in the same era. You know, nobody ever said well who did Russell really go against we do that with Wilt Chamberlain. Well, you know, look at the centers that he went against which is true. But he did go against, you know, Lew Alcindor came in Nate Thurman, yet Walt Bellamy like you had some pretty good centers. Now there were some pedestrian zone in. There as well. But now you look at these big guys in what they do wilt was so athletic. He was a great all around athlete. But I think we look at will Chamberlain you go. No, okay. That's all. That's right. The guy scored fifty. He averaged fifty in a season. Yes. Mclovin. So I was looking at the all time points, listen Kareem, sits there number one. And you've say people underrate him to is at another case of seven footer heightening, respect, height ISM. I think if you had Wiltz or you had Kareem in and their prime was on TV because when he was with the bucks in the early seventies. I mean, Lew Alcindor to me is the most unstoppable player in basketball history. But, but if you're looking when you got to the bird magic era like that that was the televised era and Korean was being brought along by magic back then and wilt missed out on that as well. Even Jerry West, you know, I love Jerry West, but Jerry, West would be killed on social media. If you go one in eight an NBA finals, I mean, you can't be. Called Mr. clutch, and you go one in eight even though he would average forty a game in the NBA finals. But the difference is even marriage muravich. Now, if he was doing what he did back, then he'd be a phenomenon and even Dr J missed out on this because seeing Dr J in the ABA like doctor J was nobody wanted any part of Dr J like he was just when he was on the floor. There was no doubt. How great he was. And then he got to the seventy Sixers. He showed, you know, maybe signs of being great. And but it was still you had all those players on that team. And then they lost the NBA finals to Bill Walton in the trailblazers. So there's certain guys who missed out on the ehre of Oscar Robertson. The only thing that people know about him is he had a triple double. If he didn't average a triple double. No, one would talk about Oscar being one of the great players of all time because nobody saw him. But Oscar was one of the great players of all time he missed out on the televised generation. Yes. Mclovin. Last night. John williamson. Dunk against some scrub team. We were in a car going to dinner in four of us are like oh my God. Did you see what scientists did Dr J? Can you imagine Dr J in his prime with this people seeing games on their phones? Yeah. And that's so we're consuming it, and then you're responding to it right away. Whereas we didn't do that growing up when you would see a game or I would read box scores. But I think there's a certain generation of NBA players that just missed out because they weren't there. And we didn't see their games. I just read about box scores. I used to get the sporting news. I would just go through and it'd be a week old game. And I'd devour it like just happened last night. And I think that some of these guys their legacies. We we've sort of compartmentalized. Oh, yeah. They were good in their time in their era. I don't know if we'll look back on Michael Jordan thirty years from now ago. Yeah. But in his era, he was pretty good. But these guys a little different. Yes. So as Kevin Durant getting the height ISM problem like that's going to affect his legacy that Leah year. Good because you're just taller. No. Because I think what he does at seven feet is better than anybody else. Who's done that at seven feet. So we will Chamberlain was seven one. Kevin Durant is seven feet and to do what he does at that height. You know, we've never seen that before. But we're probably real time under appreciating his game. Yes. And his greatness. But that's probably because he's still tall. Now, I think that we slide him because he had to join the Golden State Warriors. Is he real leader? Like, I don't I don't think that we embrace Kevin Durant for a couple reasons. Not that, you know, he's just he's seven feet tall. So, but he's seven feet tall shooting from twenty five feet or he's leading the break at seven feet. He's breaking your ankles at seven feet efforts. But that's it. If you're the kind of seventy till and all you're doing is. They're feeding you inside and just dropping it in the basketball. Then you could say it's because you're height. But if you have if you're a great defensive plan, you have these other skills besides just standing there under the basket, then it's hard to say, it's because what kind of poll question. Do we have today, by the way Sunday night? It'll be the battle for NFC north supremacy. It'll be the Vikings taking on the bears football night in America. Seventy-seven kickoff at eight twenty Sunday night, only on NBC also got a great Thursday night game tonight. It's the Packers and the Seahawks. This might be the if you don't win go home bowl between these two and Jimmy Butler made his seventy Sixers debut last night in. Loss wet you have okay. Off your comments on the bron-. He's about to come into the top ten in assists this season as well. Which stat is more impressive to you being top five and scoring probably may end up number one or being top ten insists for LeBron James. I I would say assist at that that that size to do what he's done. And this was the one thing that I saw and I'm probably in the my one of the few members of the media saw him play in high school. So I saw one game in high school where I couldn't believe somebody that tall with these his teammates were, you know, his Gulliver in the little portions and his ability to find the open man, even though he probably could escort every single time down the floor. He he still was sharing the basketball back then. And I think in today's age of I gotta get mine. He still has that ability to find the open man wants to find the open, man. So I would say that he ends up top five in scoring top three and scoring top two and scoring top five and assist. Probably going to be up there in steals as well. If we care about that. I don't know if it'll be up there in blocked shots or not. But he said, I mean that those are incredible numbers. But I'd say the assistant out. Yeah. Paulie? Lebron right now is eleventh all time with eighty three hundred assists. He average about five hundred maybe a little more assists per season based off his Laker contract towards the end of his fourth years. A laker. He will pass Magic Johnson or fifth-place all time that's the pace with this current contract magic. So if he'd go top five, and assists and scoring wise. What what sounds reasonable their fight top three now at one? Yeah. He'll get to one. You think? So. Yeah. I mean, do you think he's going to play for five more years? I don't know. I don't know if you get to that point. And then you it depends on his supporting cast or or who is maybe he's the supporting cast for somebody else in four years now mcclain's at thirty one thousand and cream to thirty eight thousand and it seems very much. In reach. He started so young. But is that like NFL where those numbers are going to change with the three point line? I don't know what you're going to have. Because I think Durant could end up as the all time leading score. Now. I don't know where Steph curry will be on there. But it feels like Kevin Durant. Got head start at a younger age was better at a younger age than stuff. Yep. Oh, same thing. Lebron James current pace of scoring. He would pass Kareem Abdul-Jabbar toward the end of his last year as a Laker. So he could pass magic and Kareem and his last year as a Laker Kobe to in that list or he would pass Kobe and its third years. Now, he passed Koby maybe in the next season. Greatest Laker of all time. No. No, no, no. If he wins three titles here. Mount Rushmore of Lakers. We can't do that. Amazing. If you do like at all time five starting five for franchise. The people you'd leave off the Lakers lists. Yeah. Elgin baylor. Probably wouldn't make the I you'd have a nice bench there. Yeah. Paul if if LeBron fishes top, it'd be LeBron Kareem Karl Malone Kobe Bryant all played for the Lakers at some point in their crew the top four scores of all time. And then there's Jordan, and then we'll Chamberlain be behind him. So five of the top six scores of all time. We'll play for the Lakers at some point the career. All right. We'll come up with the poll question. One more. I do that. It's probably a dumb question. But if you're the warriors who do you wanna keep Draymond or K D assuming wanted him had to go in the off season. Is it obvious that it would be Katie? Or would anyone argue maybe the glue guy dream on? I would want to have Kevin Durant. Stay now. I you know as much as I liked Draymond green at times. I do think there are times when he disappears where he you know, he cost him a championship a couple years ago. I just think while he giveth. He also take away. And I mean how many times do you watch a game now during the regular season? And you say boy Draymond having a great game. Or I really appreciate drains game at doesn't happen as much anymore because it just feels like it's the the bigger three there the scores, and then dream on has to kind of clean up the mess there and do some things. But yeah, I I think Kevin I'd keep Kevin Durant. If I could. But I just don't think Durant is staying, and I I want to ask Mannix about this. Because I feel like he's gonna end up with the Knicks. But I saw Stephen a Smith said, you know, it's either the Lakers or the Knicks. I don't know if Katie would help LeBron James's legacy. It feels like Katie would wanna separate and help his own legacy. So then you could say who's better? Kevin durant? Lebron James, I don't know if we ever asked that question because it feels like LeBron is always going to be recognized as a better player all around player, but Katie is going to have pretty good resume ample who do you think is leading the warriors and assist this year. Kevin durant? Draymond green seven point. Wow. You get an assist at the end the regulation that game. No. You didn't have to well done. Well done. Yeah. All right. Be said, that's that's how you that's how you under segment on sixteen minutes in. We finally hear from you. I like the hammer. Well, I so we'll come up with a poll question. Chris Mannix will join us. We'll talk to him about not only what's going on with Golden State. But how does this all play out and disea- Kevin Durant leaving the Golden State Warriors? Would you trade dream on great? Like if you're going to suspend him, would you trade him and just throwing it out? There is throwing it out there. Rich Eisen will join us. We got to come up with a nickname for the Duke freshman. I dunno. Paulie tried a couple last night. I think you were trying too hard last night. I had a couple of drinks, Jeff garland, the actor from the goldbergs curb your enthusiasm will join us as well. 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You know, there's going to be some questions internally in Golden State about how much you pay Draymond green in two thousand twenty. I mean, he's going to be looking for that max level payday, but I believe he's going to be thirty. When when that contract comes up, and he doesn't have the type of game that I think will age in other people think really will age, particularly well, I mean he's a bit undersized for his position, and he doesn't have a strong perimeter game. So you throw those two things in do you really want to give a player like that as great as Draymond has been defensively for that team a five year deal that could come you know, in the radius of two hundred million dollars. I mean, I I think it's no brainer that Kevin Durant. The guy you Dustin. I'm shocked that they suspend a dream on green for a game. But there any more details aside from what he was saying to Durant were what he called him that would warrant at one game suspension, a public humiliation. I I I've asked around and the. The sense that I get is the language in the tone of it wasn't. There was a confrontation the locker you've probably talked about this. But a couple years ago when he and Steve Kerr went at it in the locker room in that. If that doesn't warrant a suspension kind of going after your coach never to be separate physically. I mean, I don't know. What is, but I think it was the language and the tone that he used, you know, I I I know that dre Monza fiery guy, but I do put a lot of this Andre on green. Because you know, look he made a mistake in that moment the game. I mean, it was a clear mistake. He should have handed the ball to Durant in that moment steady. You know, it almost reminded me that seemed fresh prince where, you know, call them throws the ball at the rim. No, not pack. The Paul the Will Smith at the end of a game. But he should have. He should've given the ball to Durant in that moment. And if he if you just walked away from that. And kinda tapped his chest at my bad. It would defuse the whole thing. Instead, he got really defensive now that end of it self didn't warrant suspect. But the language he used for what I was told is what what brought to that level. Okay. But if you're Kevin Durant. If Draymond green has a problem with Kevin Durant that you know, might you're making this season all about you and free agency next year. Why would you want to continue to play with Draymond green? If he acts this way. So I understand he recruited Kevin Durant. But what he's saying? And how he acts to Kevin Durant that that's not going to lead. Kevin Durant to going in on on second thought. Maybe I'll take less than stay with Golden State. Yeah. I mean, that's that's true. I don't know the Kevin Durant is thinking that far ahead right now. I think Kevin Durant is looking at this season. And how we can best win and Draymond green is how we can best win. I look these to if you go back, this YouTube clips everywhere they have had some, you know, very visible on spats about where a guy supposed to be in, you know, offense defense stuff. So this is this is an elevated version of what they've gone through. What's up the first time? They've they've kind of gone. Through all this stuff. So I think they'll be able to put it past them. And ultimately, Dan, I'm not sure that Draymond green, and katie's feelings about him is going to be the most influential thing or even a influential thing in his decision to some. I think there's going to be a lot of variables for him, including some off the court things he probably wants to get into. But I get the feeling that he's gone from Golden State close. Look, I I wrote this. I wrote this today, and you know, there are you know, you when you you talk about big free agents over the last five or six years, whether it's LeBron at different points or others. There's always some ambiguity bunks amongst NBA types. Like well. I don't know. I mean, he could stay in Cleveland. It could go stay in Miami. You know, other guys they could go here there. There are more people that speak with absolute certainty about Kevin Durant leaving Golden State than I've ever seen before. I mean, guys that I talked to regularly that that, you know, kinda like to speculate about this stuff and some of it is informed speculation, but they say with absolute certainty. No chance that Kevin Durant comes back there. So it's it's surprising. That that's the the attitude across the league, we're talking to Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated, senior basketball writer, and then the question could you see him playing with LeBron James? I knew Stephen a Smith said he thinks it's the Knicks or the Lakers. I think it's the Knicks. But would Kevin Durant help LeBron's legacy? I don't know if there's competition on who's the better player. I don't know if katie's wired that way, but do you want to go to the Lakers, and maybe you help LeBron get one or two more titles? And then all of a sudden you've changed his status may be in people's minds. Yeah. No your hundred percent right and to to tweak it a little bit. I don't know that that. Kevin Durant minds, you know, LeBron winning championships. I think he wants to be the guy that wins more. And you know, the biggest reason I was told by by different people that that Kevin won't wind up in Los Angeles with the Lakers is because of that because he wants to be assuming he gets that third championship this year. He wants to be the Kobe. Of this era. The Michael Jordan of this era. The magic of this era. He wants to be the guy that has the most championships, and you can't do that. If you're going down there and and sharing championships with the Brown. They're all the other part of it is, you know, I think there's a keen awareness amongst NBA players of what it means to win in New York. I mean, you went to New York it's like winning three championships somewhere else. I mean, I haven't won anything since the early nineteen seventies. You become a star on a different level. If you can lead that Knicks team to a championship. And I I don't know how big a fact this would be for Durant. But you'd be doing something that LeBron James refused to do. I mean in two thousand ten the bron- passed on chance to go to the Knicks and rebuild them into a championship contender. Kevin durant? Go to Nixon do what he didn't Jimmy Butler made his debut last night seventy Sixers losing to Orlando. But if I gave you the seventy Sixers or the field in the east who you taken that's easy. I'm taking the field. I don't I mean, Boston is still better. And toronto. Yeah, toronto. Yeah. Boston Toronto, maybe Milwaukee, I think are still better at this point. He doesn't throwing guys together in assuming they'll work. It never really made me sense to me. There's too many examples of times that that didn't work. The Sixers to me still have massive shooting problems there. It's a good move to have JJ Redick as a starter now out there on the floor, which IMI Butler may you know, if for no other reason, maybe a less pressure filled situation can do something to rehabilitate Marquel? Foltz into a usable peace with that team. But yeah, I how they get in a floor spacing end of game situations. Dan, do you can you keep Ben Simmons on the floor if Jimmy Butler the guy Jimmy Butler also hasn't played up tempo in in a number of years? Ben Simmons played up temple all the time. There's still a lot of question marks about this team where there there aren't as many question marks about Toronto Boston once they eventually get it together, and even Milwaukee, which is a really good team right now is Carmelo done. Now, he's not. Done. They're going to be teams that that are willing to give him to sign him. I think there if he gets waved, and it may be a situation where he gets waved with the understanding that team x is going to pick him up. There's going to be a team out there. Miami won them pretty badly this off season orlands, but try to get him for like three years. So I I don't think that interested Wayne significantly. So what it's one of those two teams or somebody else. Somebody's gonna be willing to take a flyer on Carmelo what is happening in Houston, though. Because this is you know, I think it's become habit forming here it, I you go. Well, it's just a coincidence. They're not playing well. And now all of a sudden, we're looking at them and saying is this who the rockets are a couple of things are contributing to this. You can throw injuries in. But everybody kind of has injuries and hardened being out for for a stretch is certainly a factor. They made you know, what is what I thought at the time and looks like now a big mistake. Not bringing the band back together, you know, letting Trevor REEs a walk, and we've got a big one year deal that would have had pretty significant ca luxury tax implications. But Trevor REEs in addition to what he did on the floor was a great glue guy in the locker room, Luke mob mutate to a lesser degree was a huge part of that defense. I know they got James innocent. And he's a good player. But, you know, brought it a why it didn't make absolute sense to bring everybody back. No matter the cost a team that was up three two in the conference finals, the other thing that doesn't get talked about enough was was the retirement. And now unretire of Jeff is Dylan who was the guy that Mike dantonio leaned on to run the defense every single night. Now different stops Mike's had different guys in New York. It was Mike Woodson in in in Houston. It's Jeff is delic- so him walking away that late in in the off season. I think had a big affect and what they do defensively they can still rally at this point. But you know, their roster is is is not not as good. What it was the end of last year. I know that you were in Los Angeles at a chance to take in fritzy's standup act at the comedy store. Yeah. Wow. Well, he was if you fritzy was an NBA team. His performance was an NBA team. Oh, that's a good question. Sacramento. Like, it was a it was a it. It had some talent. But it was dysfunctional at times if that makes sense, I I would say this. And I it would have been funnier. If I didn't know fritzy like I'm sitting there. And I now I now have way too much information about what happened in his bedroom. I mean, there's there was just a lot of up inside of makes to the point where I don't think. And I don't know if it's never happened. But I don't think I can never be in the same room with fritzy and his wife because I just can't they was there was some sports metaphors that were all over the place. I I can't I can't do it. But the Sacramento Kings do have potential young and promising I agree. Let look he wasn't. There were some. I mean, I look at a stand up comic has got to be tough. There was some bad stand up comics that night. So I think he's got potential. His jokes were were solid. I just sort of a little uncomfortable with with the subject matter if you will kind of made me squirm a little bit. It's a fair assessment. And I appreciate that. As always fritzy you you ever response for Christmas. I think that was very fair well-set, I'll take a up and coming Sacramento Kings. And you know, a lot of people would be uncomfortable with the some blue humor and inflammatory bowel disease right up the bats. I can understand why he may not want to hang out with me and the wife of the future dinner gathering that would be extremely uncomfortable. Thank you. There were there were flags coming out of places. I don't know. I don't know. What was going on roughing the spouse? Thank you, Chris, Dan. That's the Chris Mannix Sports Illustrated, senior writer manic shows up orders a beer in a big chocolate. Chip cookie. Well, he takes in your performance. Fritzy who has a Budweiser in a chocolate chip, but not even serve cookies at our comedy club somewhere on the menu. Yeah, this'll barman you, and it's like, you know, chicken fingers jalapeno poppers, the usual stuff and the bottom is has huge chocolate. Chip cookie. And it's not like a little one. It's one of those like MRs fields triple size and Mannix orders it enhanced he's eating drinking a Bud Light and eating a huge gigantic cookie at twelve year old. I when we come back we have our play of the day got a stat of the day. Fritzy has come up with some nicknames for the Duke freshman that play by Zairean Williamson last night where his eyes are right at the rim. And social media is just in love with Zairean Williamson. It's crazy. Wait does. That mean, you're not there or are you are you feeling Zion yet? Well, I enjoy seeing this. But I've seen this before where you know, all of a sudden, you're just kind of doing whatever you wanna do to whoever you want to do it. And then all of a sudden you're going to get into a game. And then you're gonna go wait, where's I on here? Or can we see the go-to guy or RJ, Barry? Now Cam radish, there's going to be a game or two where you're gonna you're gonna find out a whole lot about these kids. They're obviously talented their teams that are tanking right now to get them. But there will be games. Just like there was with UNLV. I'll take you back to when UNLV was going. They were dominating people dominating offensively defensively. And then the only thing I said at the time is when they play if they play a close game and they played a close game. And they melted down at the end of that game against Duke in the in the tournament. Yes. Feels like you're nagging Zion. Williamson right now, I'm nagging all of them. Did you do you know that book the game is this ridiculous book about how to pick up girls? Like this guy. This guy developed this unbelievable system can't fail or whatever. And the long story short of it is when you walk into say up to a group of girls, you find the hottest one and say something negative about them. And that that's kind of the way that you get her, right? I feel like Zion. Williamson right now is like the super hot. And you're like, not really no us extremely talented. I just I think we fall in love with a highlight the highlights, and that's where I just wanna see when there's a game on the line how they do. Okay. Each student eighty two percent from the field in how many are dunks. He could shoot a jump of pretty good jumper. No. He's definitely got a Joe he likes to face the bath. Okay. I'm just I mean, so you take down eastern Michigan army. I know. Well, they did take down Kentucky too. That's true. Okay. He they haven't been within twenty five points of an appointment. And I yeah, you know, what I can guarantee you coach K saying the same thing internally to them like, you know, what we got to be ready when there's a moment when we have to make place that we're not going to be able to do this to everybody the entire season. But you know, they run the table like this. I'll still say the same thing I've done this too long to realize that they're tying every team every player. There's that moment where you go. Okay. Now, let me see what you're going to do. And it'll happen to do at some point. Fritzy? Oh boy. And I'm looking at these paulie of you looked at these do I need a review them standards and practices just down the hall. You should look at it had only said to surprise. Okay. All right. Okay. Dirty. I want to be entertained and not not in trouble. You may you may not be either. So I look at these. No, no, I'm gonna do your good. No fritzy's got his nicknames for the the Duke freshman supply. Good. All right. I'm gonna sign off on this. We'll have that for you coming up play the day. Well, we're back after this on the Dan Patrick show. Hey, there diehards. Here's some football facts. Even you may not know about the first football game was played in eighteen sixty nine and in an average game. The ball is typically in play for only about eleven minutes and finally pizza consumption rates. Go up during the week of a big game. That's not a shocker. Okay. You probably knew that one. Here's another. Thank you may not know. And it's actually really useful. Especially if you're gonna buy a car if you plan on tailgating, truecar also helps people get the right used cars. I'm a big tailgater. You know that? 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Sees his teeth cut back from nineteen points down. History improved his seven and six on the season. Raptors dropped at twelve in three doing Casey unceremoniously fired by Toronto in the off season. And that's when he was selected as the NBA coach of the year now coming back with the pistons and the win pistons radio as a little karma, karma chameleon, the culture club with Boy, George that's our play of the day. Play the day brought to you by NBC four title contenders. Four hundred miles to history in Miami. Nascar's ultimate prize on the line monster energy Cup series championship race, Sunday, three eastern on NBC that culture club thing was very ironic to think so what's coming up with the possible headlines here. Yeah. How about I host the show? Okay. That's not necessary. I know all the songs on that. That was just played and something I sent you had something along those lines. I know, but I was going to get to that. I had other business to take care of you. I should find that you out. Okay. I we're trying to come up with a nickname for the four freshman at Duke, and paulie tried to come up with a couple the new devils and the new keys. Yeah. Solid improve. I mean nuclear weapons that kind of humor all that. Always works. Yeah. That that's Liz. Yeah. But if you say, no, they're blowing up, then you just look at it that way, I don't have to be, you know, the end of the world is that when Kim Jong UN then tweets out that he loves the new name, new nickname for the respond respond. My tweet. I'm chat wasn't the one re tweet they go one I got I got. I got I got. And Kim Jong Hoon re retreat. But he's a big basketball fan. So you know, what by the time it gets there because he download the podcast, but he's a East Carolina fan or whatever eastern Michigan over. They piece it north. No he'd be north North Carolina North Korean really. Yeah. Okay. He makes a career tweeting. So maybe he'll get something soon. No, no, fritzy came up with some new names nicknames for the Duke freshman. I'm gonna let you do all of them. Are you ready? There's nothing dirty. So no, no. I know I know. Probably not anything funny either. But there go get him. Todd Cameron kitties. I like the Cameron crazies gone. I shouldn't explain not explain if you have to explain that. It's not thing. They do. Way. That thing they do is the nickname. Hey, let's go to into the that thing they do cts a little it's a little bulky. And it's based off that movie that you going back to the fig you do. Oh, do you the natio- today's bring music down a little bit at one America to be able to really hear this youth in Asia. I know that means mercy killing but euthanasia all right killing it. Hot topics. Ks and I. Did you really think that you've taught us in Asia? Yeah. Euthanasia I kinda liked that one. I was going to kind of lead with her case in point case in point. So they're nickname is, hey, let's tune into the case in point. Better than the coming up tonight is the youth in Asia's versus North Carolina. That's way better. Do they tore an Asia or something I'm confused here? You in Asia, Asia's killing Carolina the teams. One and fun. No, they have to it has to be a nickname like like the fab five I had Cameron chameleons tat only does muck headlines doesn't do nicknames stuff. But but he said and the Chem Cameron, chameleon and nickname segment killer would be. Apprentice, Boy, George they're good. Yes. The headline. Yeah. But see this is where you said you sent this to me and you said Duke freshman nicknames. Yeah. And then you gave me my headline. It's it's kinda headlining you're right. But I'm trying to work with me three more than put out of their misery juvenile dunk. Lincoln. The dunk Lincoln. With that young juvenile. They haven't gotten in trouble. Not true that's supposed to. Trouble. This is playing youths. So it's kind of accusatory idle lessons. I'd lessons like idols these kids do not repeat, and that's. He's he's he's made it sound effects. I felt like a needed explanation. Didn't know what idol lessons. Okay. My last one I think's pretty good. But I'm not gonna oversell it. I'm just going to say it the devils where pampers. Delaware's product. I know we have it blue devils. There's you're wearing diaper. No devils where pampers it. This is a headline. Gentleman here they come onto the floor the devils where peppers you can't pick to the guy. He wouldn't do that. My, ladies and gentlemen, they dunk link quints that could Clinton's I like that you guys are various student. They are kind of mock headlines this disguise don't have to be astute to realize that you just have to have a pulse to realize that thing they do. I didn't help you. I'm not gonna take people's advice. I like, I'm so stubborn. I'm doing it my way, and I don't wanna hear where he wants to say, do you know this accurate? Do you know that LSU offered Zion Williamson and football scholarship as a tight end? Yeah. That Eddo Shaun. He just said go out and recruit the best athletes in the country, Zion Williamson's high school didn't have a football too. But they still they offered him a football scholarship. Yes. Do you get paid twice if you pay to play two sports? No. So I thought that this was a joke consigment as just a joke. Uh-huh. Mclovin which poll question, we're going with okay off your conversation with Chris Mannix about Kevin Durant future. And if you Katie where would you want to go next year, I gave you three choices? Knicks Lakers warriors, guess which one is leading significantly. It's you might not be the one you think. Well, I think he's going to the Knicks. I think they're going to I wonder if people just say, you should stay at Golden State. I would have thought that'd be the front of the Lakers. Forty one percent Lakers. Thirty three percent warriors twenty nine percent Knicks. 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001: Bob McAdoo and a Celtics Legend Welcome Coop to Podcasting (and Trash Talking)

The Showtime Podcast with Lakers Legend Coop

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001: Bob McAdoo and a Celtics Legend Welcome Coop to Podcasting (and Trash Talking)

"Don't say that name. Don't say they'll car other scare. Michael Goop. Incorrectly. Win The nonworking in Green. Red. You know the three point shot out top because we could, we used to play horse and stuff he could deal was better than me up at the top, but it corners act hit the corners. The top was a little bit too far for me. The corners Akkad hit, but I gotta believe. That would have put another three or four points on my average, my when I ever thirty five, I might have thirty eight or forty points a game. Yeah, few to add it him in Ban, this alert. Points even in the Aba let me interject this and. Listening to you and Maxwell talk about your upbringing and the like you said you doubt. North Carolina Eighty eight tape. That former basketball you coming from the streets you know because we all kind of their. You feel that's what really got you ready to play in the NBA to have the bigger in that dim to play against people as opposed to let me you want to a very prestigious school, but just think about. Had you gone away or left? North Carolina gone to school. You think that upbringing you survive in the NBA and then maps you were. I WOULD UNC CHARLOTTE STILL I hate it anybody who was from Carolina Lack Bob. Do I hate it got? Enter them. Tar Hose I hated. Off! That was the first thing, and then I this is what really got me riveted for the NBA my erse. Year Grin come into the NBA I would I played in the Bob Mamadou some relate. By mcnew had this great, summer, League and. Yet always his team loaded stack with people like email car on the different. Well, the first time I've leg is by mcadoo I I can handle a little bit handling or magic I come down mack. New Reaches Ball. Behind. This shot and the graduates. Who? was. That cool! I don't I for me. It was playing against guys like Mamadou. Glenn Implant against the Guy From Carolina planned against David Thompson's the wall. The Davis is though that's what really got me prepared to play because I didn't really know if I could play as well as I've played those particular guys every summer. Not Thinking like that guy ain't no better than me. Better than this. So I think for me, that's what gave becomes. Do you for me for me for me? I'm a little bit ahead of bread we had. I grew up in a part that okay in Carolina you had the black leads, and you had the white leagues and. You got your toughness from just the ferociousness when when they finally integrated in white schools start planning the black schools and I think the first three years of immigration. Three Black Schools won the State Championship in North Carolina. And, then new white schools start cooling players from the black schools integrating amended `schools make an powerhouses and the black schools kinda faded away as far as being powerhouses in North Carolina. Okay, that's where my ferociousness came in because. You look at the newspaper in the morning and the local White House schools have a color picture the whole page while the state championship black team would be on the back page with the little article about this way, and I'm like and I used to go to the black teams I used to say. The blacks has two games. I used to see him play. I'm like man. These guys are just unbelievable, and these guys were not going to the. The major colleges they will go into schools at that time were the Seattle Aa like Winston? Salem State North Carolina. An t Norfolk state when I started watching them. I saw earl monroe at a Winston Salem state, averaging forty a game I saw Bobby Dandridge at Norfolk state was averaging. Thirty some points a game. I don't know if you remember this name might gale. Who played had a long care micro with A. San Antonio. He played it a Lisboa City I saw these guys and I'm like man these guys. And have hostile guys man. You can't play Carolina. Do and I'm like. Are. You kidding me, man you crazy. You know and. You know that's where I think match. We've got off for roasted this Braun because. You know the people in Carolina did just. It just didn't believe in us. You know when I was recruited in high school I was recruited by. Guilford College. Who won any I championship by the way with a male car north northbound, anti who would usually win the CI I'd say that name. Don't say they'll car the other scare Michael Cooper Man. Afraid of non walking in Green. Way Listen I know. We got a lot of history again me, growing and playing against some of the. Greatest players. It's not here on the West Coast. Now that you're in college. How did your college coach helped? And back I'M GONNA. Come to you first because I love coachman. Imitates Number Dean Smith. Was a different type of Guy Utah Nineteen seventy two. I C i. a two great choices are I had John Guten recruit me heavily at UCLA. Those are my two choices John. Route Ucla Dean Smith Docker Alannah. What ended up changing my mind. My father got sick and. I said Okay I need to stay close to home because I wanted to go out the UCLA. I didn't know too much about bill. One new by Henry Bibby Hendra. North Carolina! Thirty points in the little ace do in North Carolina. We and he playing looked at one eight schools like get their crap. Pat here because. The Big Stone. But because he was the Carolina Guy I wanted to head out there, but my father got sick. Make a father got six ended up going to Carolina. Dean Smith when I went to visit in December. I didn't see any black people on campus, and then kind of saw me, and he looked around and he said to me. And I WANNA. Put this in a book if I if I. IF I write a bull, he says Bob. I don't have any problems. With, a few dating my daughter, if you chose to do so and took me aback Mike. Slight man talking like that in Nineteen seventy-two, but the minute it wasn't like a worded. Who White Girl and But he saw me looking around and kind of likes. You know where where the blackstone campus and. Then then then see it. He said that the me I never. You know that just kind of blew me away or what kind of. Was that the selling point of going there then was that. When the selling point that was just extra, what he? where he just say yeah. because. What white man was say that to a player, an African American player, but he meant that because I think he can see it on my face because the black schools. That's what they were were promoting US said Bob. Why why would you WANNA go to Rice? There's no social life. Therefore. You mean bragging tape North Carolina and There's some the best looking gals in America and. You know cal urban. Who was great coach? Said Bob. Why why? Why? Why? You WanNa go there. You know he used to say to me. Wouldn't you rather be? Big Fish in a pond in blue fish in a big pond and I think God. Shot. Prize them I looked at him, and I said. Well I think I can be a big fish in a big part. And that kind of took him back. To be on a team, so that's what Earl Earl. Monroe had to average forty points a game. The be a first rounder from Winston. Salem state saw what he did. Bobby Dan had averaged thirty points I, WANNA I want to play in front of ten thousand twelve thousand I. Think Carmichael Hill, ten thousand people at the time and I. It was so much negative stuff around me. You know when I went on. You can't play there you. You can't do this. That didn't do but set a fire under my as our not people wrong. Listen if you're the score that you came back then I date my daughter to no matter what. Walk Breaking. A. Break and tell you. D sniffling to let you do a scorned I mean. Michael Jordan I think Michael Only average twenty north. Carolina averaged nineteen because he. He believed more in eighteen type basketball that scorn develop in Buffalo. Team prayer help you get ready for the NBA. Absolutely absolutely Dean Dean was definitely he will organize this. This could be I mean we if he said practice started three, and it was going into six in an end is sixty one. It ended at at at six and as far as conditioning. He basically got ready for coaches like Jack Ramsay who was a fitness being? We've ran as off and you know how cat grand us in. I mean often pat did was off the chain. So you know we did that at Carolina. I mean we were just in the best physical shape that I ever been in in my life, but he definitely definitely got me ready for the pros with team ball teaching. Dang bread said no most Carolina guys you know. If you over plan. I didn't notice you go if You go back door. That's what we did. Dean used to travel. Run the four corners. I stopped him from this because he was running the floor on. Day and I kind of broke before corners because. Mom. was attack attack. He called a time out he said. You're lucky you made that shot. He never ran the four corners again. My time didn't run that stuff again until feel Ford. Max who got to ready. Well, I think I. Kinda got my separating Cook because I got cut as a junior in high school I was six seven about one sixty five dollars six three, and then I grew over the summer came back. That year was six seven about one seventy, so I was skinny, but I played. In up going to UNC CHARLOTTE and remember getting a a letter from UNC, CHARLOTTE? Thinking like I thought I got a letter from Chapel. Hill has like Oh wanted Dr. They. Turned out, it was UNC. Charlotte work was that and then I in. In from there I had a great had a great coach, and then Lee rose, came in another coach second year coach essentially. Let me do what magic before what magic I was six eight calendar basketball, so gave me up to with the showcase mosquitoes, and it was at that time. Remember Magic to me later on. He said you know what I saw you handling in college, so that made me believe that I was going to be able to handle all the college to be in a six eight so I think the opportunities at UNC chart for me if I had gone to Carolina win, the been great because. There with all all the aspects of you know ball handling. Everybody cleaned UNC CHARLOTTE. They gave me the ball into not by. The way. How this? Week on. We don't build around like in mackinac on their. Bill yourself around a great player. Lee Rose in Lee rose built him build a team around the great player and let great player beat the engine. I. Don't know of these. Smith did that because he had so many great players and I saw do play. For me. It was fantastic because I saw play. In. When he was in college and I remember before him. There was a black player named Charlie Scott, and it was a thing of pride for me to see that there was a lack player clan at Carolina and our members Makhadov Damn. Who is this dude? And he stayed there that long and I remember him shoot announced. They have big Duke. Is You like that and handle, and it was so amazing to me that we later all became friends and alert so much I say I'll say this word to right now. Two words to you'll understand this bimbo par. That's working bob mcadoo. Learn to play. Ball in Greensboro and was an outdoor part I. Have a will of my. Class based WITS He was from Greensboro and that's all he ever talked about like. It was outdoor art that all the guys went to. He's the man is that? At Bimbo par he said that is where you've got your Russia. You said that's where Bob Mamadou the ability. He's got the PUCK. Bob mcadoo until would the Bimbo are and did so the dominate so I love those areas. When you think about now I'll ask you coup. How did you develop your skill level and skillset well I. Think on the streets out here but I think the coach that made the biggest difference for me because you know what you bring up, Charlie Scott A. Player out of North Carolina that's Kinda emulated my game after and watching him in one thousand nine hundred said this guy can play. Charlie been six four about one, hundred, twenty five. Play I know I can get out there and play, but again Harley Smart, and he doesn't take those big hits, and and he'd basketball accuse off. The change wasn't great at a lot of things at. One thing he was good with a lot of things so for me. It was my college coach. Norm Ellen Berger. He University of Mexico Albuquerque the reason why I went there because the year before in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, six all the black players, they had a boycott all the black players they had about ten good good players these Guy Leonard Gray. Who was about six eight six ten here in Los, Angeles. Good player went there. They all left off the team. So when he went out recruiting, he went out and got nine Juku. All Americans because I went passing the City College for two years, and that's how I wound up there. It's not my words I'm a photo. And the the best five could start, and then we'll go from there, and I said you know what I like that because if he just don't go without this white guy, norm, normality burger, but real a lot of tenacity and funk behind him, he believed in running, and he just wanted to run. The defense was his his forte and it was always like get up in. Don't let them breathe. Become one with them, and that's how I got my start again, just playing basketball there and again watching Charlie Scott so when I got my opportunity. Opportunity. I just stayed in that role, but guys let me say this. Okay, so now we're all in the NBA K. and Max. It looks like where you were at school. One particular because you kind of led the Celtics and eighty four I. was your thing one on one basketball, and they get to you, Mac and I- macadear I came to more like pat, Riley system team place so upset at us well, but think talk about the player that aggravate or the player that you really like to go against the most and Max I think. The guy that I like to go at the most hold on, I mean the guy that a play with you name. Is Louis Game James That's who I use like. My, tile. Head! Back before he takes it too far. Let me tell you what they worthy. That boy band I. You know what the thing I love about. James Worthy as well as magic, and I say everybody I saw. These guys come in as good college players and involving into great players like yourself macadear but I was there first hand and see it so. For me if you don't want to have a problem with me, quicksand little game because he's always big game to me, go ahead well for me. He's always going to be lower games. I remember what I said to. Outlook, right him in the face and the reason. I said this because in game six. We play you guys in La and nineteen eighty four. And we thought we had you guys beat you. Guys brought some clouds off. That Biz named Byron Scott. who has seventeen points in the third quarter in the fourth quarter? With which you guys win the game, but before that? I'm going there for a layup in game. And that was after ramblers tackle James Worthy push me in the back. Do Haynes. The myself I'd say it by grandma I, said that's okay the. Business ask you need to look at. It yeah, you can look at it yet, I want you look at that stashing? You you you can look at. You can look at that. She dealt and the crazy thing about the cook. We talked about three point shots. You only one either three in the whole game. Maxine I was really trying to stay away from this rivalry thing because I actually kinda like you now, but I got my boy to do on here. So you know what you WANNA. Start something that's going to be some Coming your. Case some bread bread then came. Read me a grant. You come to have court before the Games and you know we talk about time and Carolina Bombeck Summer League and. Ray were put his hand on his neck and stuff, and this got me the one day he looked at Byron in said, let Baron know that Danny Aines is GonNa Chick is as I said okay so. I got. Hey came up the half court inbred said Oh. Yeah, he he going at you, Bro, he going he he going ask you. said. I say we got another one. Out here. On top of that, we'd be in the game. They, be taken the ball out of bounds. I'd be God bread on the opposite side. Brad would look at me and say you know is coming up. There's the swing a boom boom I say I. I say race warned me I'd be. Grand Everything's and he'd be going service material got the ball. I say it was being here World War, but hey. Ray was definitely Muhammad Ali. Yuck. Backed it up. retold said. Let me. Throw this out there. Kareem would every now, and then in practice Korean would get feisty and green have one of them days when he was started scoring on everybody Max and Mamadou would have to remind him cap listen. I'm a reserve player here, but you remember when I used to give at forty forty five and again those are the batter's that we have within the team. Who Was it for you when you have the Celtics? Was Larry Joe Bird. It was a guy that I had got this. Is this story I tell anybody when I had to play bird that was I was the first black cler- actually. And so that was the big thing for me like you know. The guy had to go against every single day, and then we got McHale we got parish, and then we started having a dominant team. Back. A you. Got Those guys because of me. He traded me to Detroit and they ended up getting nothing. McHale and a draft pick and somebody else for me because they saw me and countless we were. We're GONNA work it wasn't to be. Your you're you're right because that in the book later on your chart was trying to decide who they were going to take. You remember that year you came to us as second year out of Jabber June nineteen points game. Troy had a decision to make because we got email call. Once we got mail car was given this other town to give some kind of compensation so Detroit style hit. They said are we gonNa Take Maxwell, or we're GONNA. Take mcadoo, and obviously no taking by Makhadov and he says Coupe. You'll love this. Matt says he hated he hated Boston. Oh my God he hated the Troy yes gone. Beyond a barber. Behind the bench. or he rail mcadoo so much when he went to Detroit that, I. Knew. He knew I hated him. He was he was. He was a clown. I I remember when we came in with New York. One day and we came out the warm up. He said you could hear his voice all over the Soviet don wherever. He said here comes a Nigga bacchus. What. And they let him sit behind our bench. Man I mean. This guy will control the coaches the way he'd be talking. You put, so we got this. And they used to tell me they used to tell me Bob. Don't mess with him. He's packing. And I used to tell them. You GotTa understand I'm from Greensboro. I got some Bossom Brag. Got Some Boston Fort Bragg they'll come here. They upload it mobile the frame. He'd better watch with a hand off to. Do Remember when we were playing with the Lakers. And he went after you back there. Yeah, matter of fact, not a fact. He'd been talking so much. He would influence. Pat In the how to play me. I I win the game one time and he said you gotta get him out of there. You AIN'T GONNA! Do number him in. For two minutes and hours out, came all the way from the opposite side of the court looking at head. Would have been like a beam beam. Have Been. have been laser off on the floor. Do this. Who I heard you say. And again just enjoying these moments that we have. He used to say Pat Riley. Why are you put macadear because macadons? Go Mecca Dome. Let me. Say This is during I love I love that rally, and the reason I love Pat Rally is because we play you guys like during the exhibition season and we. You guys had a couple of guys. This got Larry's rigs sprays three. Three, he was sitting down at the bitch him at the other guys. They will all down there yelling screaming at me. Hey, a blade in the game, so the ball goes out of bounds. It opened their pat route. And I'm taking the ball out of bounds. The referee is ready to hand me the ball and I said you loved this league moment. He is ready to me. The ball I took hold on a minute and he looks at me. Has Stand beside massive. Pat, do me a favor. Down there. That does like this. Hey. You go in the game. Came in the guard me. Scored about eight quick points. On his way out the game I said the next time you get a free ticket. Working maybe. He went back over there. He said another word. Reshape that rally with that. Area of war. Me sprigs. He called me periodically near We. We always go back at each other. Because he talked about always talking about how he was MVP two years in a row at the EMMY A C at Hallett, and I said. Come on. Give me no mickey mouse. League say where it was when when Earl Monroe in them was in the NBA see you play a high school basketball, and did he do in the NBA tell me. Hey Hey was sitting there he he probably bust screen with us because he only hit at. You. Know. Spring because I say sprague ways into that muscle roof stopped. You're trying to muscle people. Some talent mantle try to buffalo people out of the TAP. Bus Skinny, I, said spree you know damn. Will I wanna let no light skinned brother. beat me! happening that ain't having divers. So listen back to do both of us again. It was always the Lakers and the Celtics at the finals coming to the end and. Do Maxwell said this, he said you know coop. y'All had penny any week. West Coast teams go through where we had to beat all these other heart teams to get there so maxim let you go first. About the two teams, you had the beat, Pistons Bulls. Cavaliers with pricing Diane Tease. Won't even around the teams that we had to be in the east bank. Need user means Milwaukee at that time when they have Bob Lanier. You remember killing Delta Ios with the. We had to be every time we looked up. You guys will play of popcorn teams over there. Now. Good, we made it look easy. That's why Tonio you you. mean the time that that used in the big new. That tab I was like I'll just. Walk. Bread you know while they beat Houston. They went and got my reese Luke The philly I went to the final four straight year eight, hundred get bigger and stronger instead of being sleek and fast. which was what we wanted to do, hell, coobook, and magic and Jane. They called me over saying. This stuff ain't working here. He, don't he won a practice? We had the great comradery and stuff but Brig. you come on now. San Antonio had a train they had another. allowed. Catch The. Now 'cause they had to go through UH south? Where did they get to the? Play on their. Own they had ice man Gervin on their team to the bamboo. Wind Towers your head Mike head Mike, Mitchell. Robberies! You play which team them. Who who say go ahead, you hundred seventy online. Bread Dan Essel and English both of them were averaging twenty five a day. They thirty a game. A bread I'll give you credit on Philadelphia. They had a squad. They got hall of famers on Eighteen. Don't talk to me about no Milwaukee Bust. Works was a joke by the mere couldn't get up and down the floor. Come on now. Johnson Stigma at the. Betsy Moses Seattle last night. WHO's? Not Name Hall of Fame Player. Milwaukee one hall of fame player. Yours Gervin is in the hall of fame. I think artist Jim was in the hall of fame. MONCRIEFF. They'd have Moncrieff I. Think Mockery was on that Milwaukee team yeah. Koo Koo Koo Koo. Benny who what would you done to Moncrieff? Examine. Locked. Hankook offs. Twenty four! Hey, locked his. Bow. They had bombed the near Kareem. Kareem Our latest him. I loved. Big Bob couldn't deal with with. The year that we the year the we wanted in nineteen eighty one. Where we play billy and I think the Lakers got knocked l.. Excuse me with tragic Johnson. Did you know whatever? got knocked out then didn't get there and. They didn't have any bread. They can't wait. Wait Way. We had to play Houston that year. We play Houston that year in between billy. In Boston we knew whoever won in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one. That series was GonNa win the championship that had to be the toughest seven game series I've ever played against Philadelphia in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty one. You're talking about talk. Date topers layers. Is that one doctor J. Grab Larry by the throat. Now that was that was a couple of years later with all of. who was at the end and I jumped on his back, and that's when he grabbed Larry questions about the time in the face, and then you'll love this. Amilcar came up to the. Larry sure show me snow because Larry should've showed me some. Cars Yeah they could take the punches in the face also. Thing about Larry Coup. Tonight's broadcast brought to you by a bit online dot. AG WITH CURLY NBA. NHL OR MLB might think there's nothing to bet on well, you'd be wrong. 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Go play against it, so he walks into the building, and I'm doing like this. Area Code Great White Hope we go. Man. Their court. Hand, got my hands down from about fifteen. And knocks down the first one. Set One man, I'm up I am sweating like hill by the end of the dam practice now score the lot of porcelain, but the first black person I could get to. I walked up to him and say you know what. I. Y guy can play and that's. All I can say. Every black person was asking me before. Game is asked me a a Brit. How is the is, is Berg, he said you'll find out in the thing I liked about Larry. who was the back that he was? He he didn't give a damn. And always said that thing I knew Larry Bird had crossed over to be a great layer to me was when I was in the Black Barber shop and I saw pitcher Larry Bird in the black barbershop I was like Oh. Now is like. Jesus. Larry Birla like Damn Gross, though no, yeah. Boy Now. I hated the fact that here's one thing I. Hate it and I last scoop this. Why? The black players on our team. We were called Uncle Toms. Why did you get that? That was the one thing that really bothered me more than anything else that you might have said or you guys said about our team. Well that goes back to how we initially I started this whole conversation about the racism in Boston, so we've felt that giants sold out now I. Understand you were there to do your job you. But y'all look too happy there. Marlon. Tau Tau weighed in some. More teeth the magic. Through to. Right. I WanNa, make a let him by that. Were there I needed. Damn how some like you know what? We've been kicked their ass as where we going. Yet at the smell of magic face. That's what we. We. Also. About. Worthy. J.. Baby you better. Watch out that's. That's the voice of the Lakers. I loved the. He's become a great friend of mine, but we. We, said we did not want to hear that and then y'all. Have all this other. You know got the Laker girls and. The Berry and all this other crap that will allow. You made me say over there. You gotTA air conditioned building. You know the fabulous or then you swear the guy that we get here during the summertime that we turn the heat on were Turkey he though we lower Makhado tallow went they. Came, there man, they get all the. Cooling who pose coup. This is the Mickey Mouse. That the Boston Celtics cool. Let me tell you. They got pissed. That mean Coo- head on our long socks that we've been wearing all our careers hat commissioner coming. Luck Room and tell us we couldn't wear long socks. Back that is some childless tramp me. Kupuna win strings out on our. Own Socks and Y'all GonNa Cook we in hot contest this series. Won't come with that crap, and then on top of that after your boy clothes land Kurt Rambus. You Know William clothesline near Koukoulas. Born on. They come in the league. We gotTA soften. Up Pat comes in and tell we can't be so intense. We looked at him like. Twin me, man you. Re couldn't wait. We will go ray to make hail good up for shot were going close line here we go. Glock head up. You know not come. Twenty five thousand if we hit into the Boston Celtics. Don't touch why boys? This. This is how this crazy I had got in that series. Remember James Worthy coming now you're ready. Get a free. Throw again in the layup and I can hear somebody said. Realize it was me. We won't need playing basketball. It was just like okay. I was up the. Mentality They want to be all cooling. Get layups. What we go the hotel. earphones. Air He got Jacko. Your Rambus got down. Everyone them Lakers is got this big like Os. What's going on here? Listen I. DO think that those were some of the best days of the NBA, but I think it's through. The course of that is why we have the change in the NBA today because they don't want that to get to that degree. That was the basketball back then and I really wish you would be kind of a little bit like that, but again. I think it's about protecting the players. What's your thoughts about today's game? Got Hurt who? Got Hurt. Somebody's feelings I mean. Burnett. Series in. With Kurt Rambis got knocked. Did he get hurt going to get hurt? A. Day would that series for payroll the NBA like no other series? Yes, I'll. Sit Down and watch that that was much must see TV rain track that later on and all that stuff, but the original tough guy gains were kissed the Lakers and the Celtics. You. Ever question that. I, they made and I said this about magic. About the Lakers we may. You guys champions because we tell you guys up when we played you the next year. War was heard over here, not the way, but. Max Faster is. On it. Just like to ask. Eighty four when I got hurt. Right right well, you do bothers look at stats, sheet. In that game. Twenty four eighty eight against the Lakers in the final game. I remember. And this was so good about it I remember looking over at you because you were hurt and you were look at me like. We're GONNA get the grand. You had hurt on you. Drink out of draped dog. All Larry. Between newly gained from the Bob Macadamia. Look. The garden me rams play that much I gained James on me. I have magic. Guard me. All them. Guys Gardening you cook. Cook check on your. Cup just come back from a knee replacement. I mean come on. Over there what my problem you got! No injuries is a part of the game as right on the Game Day. That's the way it is. I mean we. We lost them. I gotta put an asterisk shown on eighty, three and eighty four that didn't play. I got hurt in eighty, three and eighty, four, eighty, two and eighty five. We won because I was playing. Hey, look like a bar matter who's playing. We don't want four in a row. Southern Boston Celtics when the bag luck. macadear luck. We live one more league that's. Yes, but COU COU cou. We can't. We can't fight him on that the Celtics yet. Jagna go. Look at Bill Russell, he talked about the greatest. Eleven. Eight championships in the wrote. Was Crazy, I love this Mac and always so cooper this. Their Burgess yet never really got mad with me except when we played the Lakers because he used to tell me Yo. Set up pick on my KUKUPA. Was Right in his jock. Hey Man! Let me tell you about cool. I see him every day in practice we. Remember Pat used to say locking trail. People used to try to set a pickle cou. Cou was like a rat. Get none a door it might be. That big. Slip in slip through their. Top he's GonNa go. He's those slippers, little slender body through their. He'd be right there on you on. Pitman I'm. Walk and play some. That's vantage of being. Hate it. I hate it when. I say hey, when they announced his name. I hate it when they are now. I. Hated it? Aided there. Guys listen, let's put this in this Mac. What type of player would you be in today's game? To win a million dollars a year for. Right now. I mean. I think that all our games I think Bob mcadoo's game was probably more suited to today's game than any any of us the three of us I had to really change my game because the power game around the RIM and layups in free throws. That's that's gone. You have a better shot because you three point shooter and you were you guys in both before a lot of other people, but the game with a really had to change, but a lot of players great players played it at the time. Their game with the has evolved because you you have to be. Be Able to knock down the three right now you have to be a but back to north for me for you and looking at your game. Teams don't know how to double team. That's why I think that you would probably be thirty. Points score in today's game. If they got a down to you real quick because you do look at the glee. Everybody's spread out so much to wear all. They're concentrating on his takeaway teens three point shot I. Think the first a lot and I hate to say that because you know I don't really like you but I. Don't worry more hurt that much. Again you know the crazy boys when you talk about that. Is You look at layers now? and. The history of the game. was lost, but now is Kinda gained again with the whole thirty thirty. It's quick story I'll tell you was. We the thirty for thirty series came on Lakers versus Celtics and Jason Tatum. You know one of our star players on the team now. He is seeing the series, so so A. We came to a game and he started yelling like he was walking the and he saw me. Cooler bree cuong acid. What would you? Are that thirty for thirty. You're a bad ass bro. I think the history of the game now was lost, but because of some the things that have happened can be recaptured by whereas because. Then look at you sometimes even what you're talking about. You got multiple ring all well. Let me tell you. Why I remember when I was coaching with the heat talking about it's the game when I was coaching with the heat me and Brad. We used to see each other before the game. He's doing his. And bread if you remember. How I post and I say bread. What are they doing that? They get the ball in the post. And they hold it, and they wait for the double team became the come. Every looks at me, he said. You know what would happen if they'd have done that or not. Day that second data come down and out of BOO shaking his hand. That ball would have been gone. You remember that brand. You said you'd have been shaken that double team man's Hey, because when we got the ball returned, and we win or we gotta talk now it's like. You know what it's. Funny that Charles Barkley Lindo when they ask. When I was now the toughest guy say garden at that time that Dan. Bernard key ooh good. Pass No. Down there already go. Come down there for. Like meet in Kuban. No, you had it with Dr, J. F.. HOW LIKE DUNK ON! I had a play back in the NBA and they had isolate they were they were saying all or gas to the corner, and it was me Dr Jay. and. I'm down in my deepest status in Philadelphia and I see eighteen eighteen thousand people. And I'm him. I'm like Oh shit some bad by the half. My, mind? I mean guys now. Depending so much help now. is now that we have. If you couldn't guard guy, you don't WanNa sit you're. Absolutely you had to guard your own man. I remember when I came straight from Italy and I came back coaching I saw these rotations and guys running across the court I. Might What the Heck is ads in it and then he hid. In the back. I remember. I just come off the boat from Italy. I was coaching, but I was still in shade. I remember Kirk Thomas, remember him. Was a tough guy. I got the ball in the Postman Day. Plan. They had me playing because they didn't have enough guys in Kirk, did to me and The hell is that. Him Shot a jumper. On the ground I said man, you better get this hand. Neck in here y'all got this bullshit. In the back me out of here, we would dance regardless. They try to nickel. More like that with the claw. Hooper Guard people I. Remember that wet especially if there was a Gar-. The age I don't know why Y'all hate it. Then the aints that go back to college. He went to Utah. Byu And I went to New Mexico so I've been hate him a long time. Had nothing to do. With ravitch I've been after him. You know what it goes to. The fine had Gani almost don't WanNa talk to me and probably when we see each other. While while Daphne. Cou, couldn't you? That's that's the crazy report that I think about when I think about our teams and how we had and this just happened to happen, we had all the great white layers and as they. Talk about it. We had great blacklist, but we won't even identify. I know. All the all the media wanted to talk about wasn't Maceio Im- bird it Danielle. We Johnson. who was a hall of fame your? Crazy how you know. The media played white and black against Egypt. And I saw this. The Massey is one thing that you would do to change today's game. What would it be if you could do one thing? I would let the game be a lot more physical guy because I think. People enjoy the physicality college basketball should not be more physical the NBA basketball there's this. Check and all this. A guy gets hit. A GAG is hitting. The here would look elbow, and then now you call it it doing like this about later. Later Woods. Of Can the stomach. Play always told people look. There was never been so hurt. And Karim was my favorite player. was playing against the one A. Came Down Ilbo me. In the elbow can hurt me Mac, let my bills were hurt. because. I was like Damn. My favorite way hit me with a nail. Elbows Hell off, but. We! League needs to be a lot more physical, yeah. Do you. That's what all the all the players talk about now I mean the game is just too soft man. It's like like we. We look at guys now. And they're great players, but Bam. If data played in the seventies and eighties sometime Gaza score like harden, and and curry man. Let me tell you they got beat up. Out. And justices space and I have somebody with a traveling eurosteps them legs. We've been flat. Been Undercut. Would that? Eurostat and Euro step would have been America step. But you know, let's let's give a little bit of credit now to the gas these days because I thought about that I was like Damn Michael. Cooper against Steph Curry. How would that? How would that go? But what do you right now? There's Uber now of course so yeah. You GotTa do a you know what I would do. This would be my chain for the NBA Today's game. I would move the three point line out about two or three more fees to initiate and make them play that mid range game i. think that's what's lost in our game. Because if you look at the game now it's eager to the basket or three pointer. When we played in the eighties, it was about championships were won in the paint and the got to the. The paint the better your percentages went up so for me. I think I would move that back to get them and force them to shoot that fifteen eighteen footer and not be rewarded by the extra point by making that two. It's almost like the big three the big three now they got that four point shot there i. got that I mean that's that's a tough shot. So if you make these guys, not everybody can shoot at three in today's game. Everybody shoots the three. Diverted like that, but I'll tell you what I would pay money right now. The see Michael Cooper in his prime, and that boy up important. You. that. You'll. daimiel. Lesson I go walking. Thing. That's the thing about you got. Make these guys you one thing. I would love to play against James Harden. That guy would not be able to score on me I. Don't believe I will. A score I'm not gonNA take anything. He's a good score Lillard good score, but the mentality is. You got to get these guys. One thing the Dave players get guys to three things Damian Lillard the way you on squamish taking that ball to the basket. I ain't giving threes. But you know one good. Right about that because if it was if you will garden, somebody like James, Harden would be all day of driven back. Now now now now. Has. Use. That ball be been going the other way. Westbrook with all his antics. He got his ass kicked I. Know that Oh Yeah Oh yeah he'd be He'd been. He'd been crushed going into that basket. We didn't let anybody go to the back. And in a way the way these guys look at you I think quite from Europe, and they make a shot or make a duck, and be doing all this stuff neck coming said. Oh my God you know destroy. Hit a shot and looking at the whole bitch as they're running up and down the court. This stuff really don't change man. Hey, ain't no way. Ltd First of all Utah Changing Cou. I would take that smile out of there, so referees a man. I used to at May sprained my ankle to keep from running somebody getting a charge. Account at a smile for if you run somebody you run. A non basketball player ten minute. smiler was created by them by them. Asses in La during that showtime cramped new. Mattress! The best in the world. The smile on the floor bread for the charges I want to get this. We call it the smile. Get that. Get that land out of there. I don't want that, you know. I mean I would take a step. I. Don't care if I missed the shock. I was I was trying my best not to run over nobody. You know guys under the basket you run over them, you know. Donnie you gotTA. You know what you just you just the opposite. There was a guy named Lynn elmore. You wanted to do was take charges. Let me. Tell you a secret. We have with yourself. If, you stepped on and you got paid. We wgn. Through. That do. We have what we had do. We had characters though maybe even more characters back during your time because I saw one of your guys the other day and I'm a mimic him mascot the. Great. US like. Saying that was Bob mcadoo's Guy Sugar Ray Richardson. Who Hey Cooper member Michael Ray over Europe. Go. Sugar told me who came up from the Lakers. All cocky, arrogant stuff and top skit as and Michael told me Koopman wanted to shake his hand. It was playing Bologna. because. My career saying I. Am going to be the worst nightmare tonight. I'm at night and then. Why Now la? Come down from a live, the play, Roane, and what's the? What's the Big European? From Dino Raja Raja re we? We're getting ready to jump. Circle and COO says Dino Kiki's. Kuma say you're never see a dog. On a happy, he ended up in the Dino. Roger ended up getting his ASS. Wrong! Because Cooper started some shit. Max. Deal. The Do Dino Riser was making three point two million dollars over there. Man That was also that was cool. I I had on A. You're only championships. When Croatia horse serve you getting holiday I'm money. Roger. They told me that we need a couple of years ago. He got in the hall of pain and I looked. Like he got in the hall of fame. As a you know what let me be unimpressed right now, that's. What you made? Good. Talkers yeah. I think that was the time that something happened and. Yeah that those were the confrontation that you loved when the Lakers and the Celtics got together. Look at that. You know what and I say this about Boston. Guess I hate the city. I didn't like the people could stand there players, but I loved the Boston Garden because of the the historical basketball that was always played there. The floor was terrible and you know that was the one thing you hate about planning the garden because the players knew where the dead spots were, we played there, so much kicks so much, but we eventually learn where the dead spots. Boy It was a going playing. Their cable bird was smiling in that picture coup. Scared Look Mac. Some people get scared, they smile. Hammers started right there. Man I'm GonNa. Launch anything. About through look. The word no listen and defend my boy. My boy. That's the agony of defeat there. Might have been a J. Stone from the do win famous. What the hell happened. Oh Great. You say that cool, but I still look at those pictures of you in Larry and there's a there's a classic thing. We you Larry. Larry Jacobs about take the ball out and you stand behind. I ain't never seen. Nobody walked the way coop. Guy Got hit. Live. I said that's what we hated about Hollywood. Back I was all over him. That's Brian. On. Lap. Up War. August. Maybe ill dump banners up there. Manipulate is. Just irked me to be playing in. You know the one thing. I love about Boston Garden that the staple center should adopt. Is Putting up. A banner with all other players numbers, I really respect that about Boston, because it takes more than those those individual jerseys and those players to win championships I mean. Those guys were great all the numbers up there, but what about all the other people? Mac Dues Cooper's the Rambus a C. Green, those players, and even Pat Riley for number one to be recognized for us when those championships low. Yeah, there's no question. I think that you ask Louis Jordi with I. Think we've had so many great players sometimes is always guys. Get caught in shuffling. I was talking about this map podcast. The other day is like everybody talks about the Big Three in Boston. I was like a big. X. Ray. Do. Nothing. But you know what something you do. You just Kinda have to let it go and. Everybody is not always really get the attention. Yeah! Yeah, there you go Imail Cau-. Talented hand. Didn't have Italian his knee and the town he went about. War On believe. You know. Pan Grace. Boy Yeah. That was magic's worst nightmare right there. This was. Maximum. Do there could be you up a nightmare magic. We won that series, will we? Then Austin Matt at their slogan. Whole breakdown because Dj ca stay in front of match. He was just like Michael. Cooper good hand. Goodbye. Dejan imagined could get the long long. was s who to me still is the most awesome weapon of all tax. and Bob the lack man. Sidney Wicks Jolly Scott! Sidney wicks and China's. I'm. My my son, my oldest son is the first one that called me when he saw it, he said Dad. Can you believe you the only? MVP. The only scoring champ. They didn't make the top fifty. How did that happen I say I don't know I. Mean I went to Europe and. Buffalo is not a franchise anymore. They forgot about me I looked at. Some of the players are near. You know I mean I mean fray the talk about him. I mean Nate Thurman I average forty on him. Of. Bill Walton he was a one year wonder. Yup leads I mean. Some people on the I mean day to Bush. Who was a good player? He wasn't a great player I. Mean I could name people. You AIN'T GONNA. Tell me me and David Thomson. David Johnson wow I forgot. Kidding me. On a crazy I mean but. That's what you got a bill with in this world denigrates the entire list frankly. Makes it great credibility now I see they added you now to the top sixty as to why even bother? It's not. It's not right. I mean I was hurt, but a longest time for that because I. Knew. You know I knew what I did in this league. When I got to La, Philly they wanted to make me a bench guide stuff hell. I was I was geared I, saw on that Laker team. If you play me thirty minutes I was going to lead. That team is going to rebound, but I wasn't given its NASA do that and I know you'll have some of these announced. Say Well you, had he. He wants to win on his terms. I think that's why we didn't win. Ultimately allow these games. because. I afraid to talk about at Cooper. No, I didn't say a word I didn't say a P. I just suffered through that stuff. You an average and A game and you come to the team and they don't bring you off the bench. You kidding me, are you? Kidding me and then when I get traded to? Boston Casey Jones GonNa? Put me in. I'm averaging twenty eight points a game after I got traded. And you'RE GONNA. Put me in a game with three minutes to go. I told him. No. You Ain't doing it.

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Rick Barry: The Disagreeable Superstar (With Malcolm Gladwell and Tony Kornheiser)

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Rick Barry: The Disagreeable Superstar (With Malcolm Gladwell and Tony Kornheiser)

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I would swung the see-saw a little bit And concentrated slightly more on On how talented. He was in a little less on the perfectionist stuff and all the flaws with his personality which we'll get to in a second. I'm gonna read what i wrote in two thousand nine and then we're gonna talk to mike god will about it and we're talked to tony kornheiser bat so that is the plan. This is what. I wrote two thousand nine the book a basketball rick. Perry two point basketball fast. It's the flow of ask of a basketball rick. Perry we already nailed an inordinate number of barriers. Throughout the book is various hairstyles is controversial. Lead to the is it. Dancing foibles is autobiography with the worst cover ever the year they robbed them of the mvp. And the reasons why say what you want about. The guy that is definitely interesting especially viewers hairstyles. We remember him as the most notorious astle in nba history. A perfectionist who held in fear teammates disdain. Had an almost pathological need to rub everyone the wrong way and earned a reputation fair or unfair for not being able to click with black teammates. Remember when jeff. Bb flips out during the near plane crash in almost famous berates. Russell hammond and finally screams you. Act like you're above us. You always have as their basis chimes in truth. that was rick perry. he acted like he was above. Everyone else five former teammates or coworkers threw him under the bus in the same. Nineteen eighty-three si feature written by tony kornheiser. Here's what they said. Robert parish quote. He had a bad attitude. He was always looking down. In you and phil smith quote. He was the same on tv. He was so critical of everyone like he was mr perfect end quote mike dunleavy quote he lacks diplomacy they senate to the un and he ended up starting world war. Three and quote. Billy paul's quote around the league. They thought of him as the most arrogant guy ever. I couldn't believe it. Half the players disliked rick the other half aided him and quote and then there was worse. Executive vice president can backer. Who said quote. You'll never find a bunch of players sitting around talking about the good old days with rick. His teammates and opponents generally and thoroughly detested him and quote. Poor rick perry was the daniel larusso of the nba. There's something about him that rub people the wrong way. The quintessential story when he threw a game seven of the seventy six western finals because his teammates never defended him in the ricky. Sobers fight quite erupted between rick perry of the warriors. Ricky sobers of the phoenix suns. Mary him over to a bolt. Stay in the game. He probably watch. The highlights at halftime confirmed his own suspicions that his teammates sold them out. Second half started very simply stopped shooting the third quarter. Look there in the last few minutes coach adults probably threatened because very suddenly became baragan even with a late surge. Defending champs ended up falling at home to an inferior team. You find more indefensible playoff defeat in a deciding again so when i was working for jimmy kimmel show. We use barry for a comedy bit. I couldn't resist asking him what happened in that game. He quickly replied quote. We should have won game seven we were rallying and i had pick and roll of clifford. Ray could catch damn pass and quote then. He shook his head in disgust. He let out one of those. I wish cliff. Were here right now so i could shoot a nasty look runs. Twenty seven years later. Rick perry hall of famer. Nba champ one of the eight. Best ford's of time. He couldn't let that play go. It was weird shirt. I watched the tape a few weeks later. Words were running back ray. Set a pick and roll to the basket buried delivered the ball right off race hans and at-bats. The cameras caught berry frozen in disbelief. It's the defining moment in the defining rick. Perry was a pre game. Can you hold it for a second rick. Rick of the poor barry was his own worst enemy. He fled from a perfect situation in nineteen sixty seven top score on a final stand that at a young hall of fame center named nate thurman and equality second scoring option named jeff mohlin's any jumped to the. Aba's oakland oaks something that I feel my wife. My family's security concerns in the reason. Why have to find a pickle over why because his father in law had been named their coach even though the movement city out an entire season and playing in an inferior league that could have gone belly up at any time as their ever been a dumber career. Move ben mba superstar. That didn't involve the words birmingham barons. You can't even say he did it for the money. San francisco matched okafor is still left. How could bury forget to put his contract. If the t. moves or my father-in-law gets fired. I can opt out of beatty lake so we sat out a year. He injured his knee the following season and then he watched in horror as the oaks moved to washington virginia and berry finally forced to trade by insulting virginians in an si feature saying that he didn't want his son to quote come home from school. Saying hi all dad. He landed on the nets way dragged them to the nineteen seventy-two aba finals before returning to golden state so the best for that generation wasted five full years of his prime in a second rate league because he wanted to play for his father in law. What two years later buried nearly dumped the words again to become. Cbs as lead color guy. Changing his mind at the last minute. And after the seventy seven season he pissed on worst fans a third time by signing with the rockets as a free agent killing his relationship with golden state owner franklin merely forever coach. Al attas also refused to talk about him after so just like roger clemens at the end bear retired belonging to nobody no farewell tour though retirement ceremony. Nothing all right. So how can we possibly rank him. As top thirty all time player barry was the second best passive it. Rick perry the beautiful creator. Who made everyone better as long as he could score with any owner news younger. Averaging thirty five point six points in his second nba season trailing only wilt baylor and jordan has the highest average ever since thirty four point seven points the average in the nineteen sixty seven playoffs news one of those born before his time shooters who thrived with the three point line. He drained forty of ninety seven. Threes and thirty one. Aba playoff games forty one point two percent. It wasn't a great defensive player but he was craft enough that he led the league in steals. Wants one of the best free. Throw shooters of all time if not the best. Probably the greatest end of the game cooler ever slapped together. One of the single best seasons in basketball history in one thousand nine hundred seventy five doing every single thing that needed to be done in pulling off one of the bigger final upsets ever and he actually would have been fun to play basketball with as long as you didn't disappoint them or make a dumb mistake so had they formed a dream team. For the seventy six olympics sperry would become the team's alpha. Dov everything would revolve around passing his creating. And i think that counts for something in the big scheme of things will remember him as an inordinately talented player and inordinately screwed up person over everything else. That's why didn't seem right to make him a level for pyramid guy. Put him in level three other than the seventy five final says. Defining moment happened two years after watermelon gate which will get the second. When a freelancer named tony kornheiser profiled barry for one of the most memorable features and essays. History was called a voice crying in the wilderness. Cortazar tried to figure out how such a great player could be forgotten so quickly cleverly arguing that bears biggest problem was quote faced discrimination and quote comparing him to the annoy actor. That dustin hoffman played in tootsie. Who rub everyone the wrong way. The piece starts like this quote. Rick barry is a problem he would like people regard him with love and affection as they do jerry west of john havlicek. They do not the way. I look alienate. A lot of people. Berry says i've seen films of myself and seeing the faces i made. I looked terrible and quote. He closes his eyes to the memory and shakes his head quote. I acted like a jerk. Did a lot of stupid things open. My big mouth said a lot of things that upset and hurt people. I was an easy person to hate. And i can understand that i tell kids. There's nothing wrong with playing the way rick barry played. Don't act the way rick. Barry acted. I tell my kids do as i say not as i did end quote were bothers him isn't that he's not beloved. It bothers me berry. Says that i'm not even liked and quote and he wasn't but i can't drop them below number twenty six and my hall fan pyramid brought too much to the table it bears gray was relived as a twelve person. Dinner party with barry hosting the following things would definitely happen. They word start late because what a berries shifts with that afternoon. Everyone would comment on the table looking absolutely fantastic. Two guests would storm out there in the appetizers after barry makes an inappropriate joke about one of their kids another couple of the before desert because barry keeps arguing politics. The husband and wants shut up. There'd be multiple. Awkward interactions with barry second guessing of the waiters highlighted by at least one accidentally inappropriate joke and the rest of the guests would ultimately decide to ignore his bullshit and savor the wonderful wine first fillet mignon an unbelievable round of souffles imports. Sure they'd bitch about in the entire way home but a great meal is a great deal. Right malcolm glad was here. He's my friend. He wrote the forward to my basketball book. He is obsessed with rick perry. I couldn't think of anyone that had to be pulled into this more than you. You the whole rick perry thing you're just fascinated by for a variety reasons. What's the number one reason Will i love rick. Perry for many reasons He is the most a perfectly atypical superstar. So i have a long complicated psychological theory about about superstars. And he is. he's he's like. I said the perfectly typical one. He doesn't fit the mold of what we normally think. A sports Superstar supposed to be. That's his fundamental problem. He is a round peg square peg in a round hole. So does he not fit that mold because he his personality turn people off because the way he looked because people didn't appreciate what was it so it's a prisoner joining had the full theory. Give you the full yeah. Let's hear it. So there are psychologists divide human personality into five dimensions neuroticism extroversion openness to experience conscientiousness and agreeable. Nece so two of those. Don't matter for that for the purposes of this neurotic schism. Does you can be a great basketball player and neurotic. Paul george high clearly high neuroticism and you can be one is low in their autism. Magic johnson might match. John's neurotic doesn't go home and worry about what went on the basketball court Extroversion introversion is useful. But not you can be a star and be introverted. Been look at A right classic introvert. Same with ray allen introvert. These guys didn't matter. The crucial personality traits for basketball stars are openness to experience and that's basically creativity conscientiousness and agreeable nece openness to experience is Exactly what it sounds like How willing are you to learn to experiment to To try different things to kind of express all of the to explore every possible variation whenever we look at Great performers in any field. They are high in openness to experience. They have to be creative. Every entrepreneur is high in openness to experience. Conscientiousness is exactly what it is. sounds like. did you show up do the work. You cannot be a basketball superstar unless you are conscientious and you cannot be an entrepreneur. Unless you're you conscientious. Every entrepreneur and every basketball superstar is some combination of conscientious and open to experience now. The third one is the crucial one. Wendell and that's agreeable nece disagreeable nece. This is the personality dimension that measures your willingness. How much you care about getting on with others. How much do you crave the approval of your peers. How much does being part of a team. Where your beloved matter to you. Entrepreneurs are by definition successful ones low in agreeable nece. They are disagreeable people. At the whole reason. Why elon musk's able to build what bills his in. Give a shit about what anyone thinks right. If he cared about what people think thought he would never started tesla because everyone told him he was crazy. Right down the line. Great entrepreneurs are always disagreeable. That's what allows them to try the thing that everyone else thinks it's crazy basketball superstars on the other hand tend to be highly agreeable right the thing that makes them work on a team. Is they desperately care about what their teammates think of them that do things to win the approval of their think about the lengths to which someone like magic. Johnson goes to make sure that he's beloved because he understands that that translates on the court. You wrote you entire book. The book basketball about this intangible dimension that separates great teams and great players from others. A lot of that was about agreeable nece the ability to function a team environment so basketball superstars high in conscientiousness high in openness to experience and high agreeable us except for rick perry he is one of the only exempt. He is the only basketball superstar. I can think of. Who has the personality dimensions of a great entrepreneur. he he's. he's lowering agreeable hearing care. He would always claim he cared. But the truth is he. Pursued greatness on the court come in complete contradiction or incomplete being complete while being completely oblivious to the effect it had on team chemistry right. It's because he's disagreeable didn't care about that ultimately all he cares about. Is you play basketball the right way. It doesn't matter how he said that how. He expressed that to his teammates. It just wasn't no other basketball. Superstar would ever be so insanely insensitive and blunt in how he expressed his perfection on the court. So you're saying he almost would have been better off as a tennis player golfer. Absolutely in fact no i already cute been much better off as an entrepreneur s mindset. He's ilan he's yeah he's steve jobs. Steve jobs is a perfect example. By the way of someone who is insanely conscientious insanely creative and so disagreeable. The man was one of the biggest assholes in the valley but he put that as holiness to such fantastically good use right by doing going his own way. That's big berry rick. Perry if mary was had discovered computer programming instead of basketball in fifth grade he would be a he'd be like a billion in living in some massive house in san jose He's also disagreeable about how people discuss them. He one of the reasons i want to do this was i was. I think too harsh on him in my book because i read every book was to read and everybody had the same feedback which was unbelievable player. What a prick and at at points. It didn't matter like with the seventy five warriors at other points. It really did matter but he just seemed by the end of it He he comes and goes. There's no retirement ceremony forum. Yeah you know. He's he just kind of leaves a meanwhile. He was one of the most influential basketball players. Of the i thirty five years of the week. Yeah he just comes and goes and that part of it and then reading all the little things that happened with him and you talk about how he was you know. He would have been an entrepreneur. He actually makes one of the worst business decisions in the history of the league in history of the league he i was saying i was saying a friend of mine was talking to a basketball friend of mine today just to get ready for this to make sure to miss anything. It's the equivalent of luka doncic leaving the nba. Right now. When rick barry goes to the nba and then can't play because the this whole reserve clause. They needs to be challenge. It'd be like of luca danni which left the nba right now in went to some fledging league and then they say oh he can't play and he just sits out here and then plays for another four years. Only the games aren't really televised. There's no real record of it. He's playing in front of barely fans. His teammates are inferior and then he shows back up in the nba for season eight. And he's like here. I am again. I'm luca dodge and people have been like what just happened. How did we lose five years of this guy. That's what happened. Rick perry it. It's weird because he says his explanation for why he does it. Why chooses to jump to make this crazy terrible decision to go to the. He's even make a lot of money. He's probably making less money playing for the aba than he wouldn't in the nba is well. He's a well you know i didn't really have anyone. I should've had a lawyer look at the contract like this kind of insanely kind of naive. I think it's about his focus though. This is not the first time this has happened to a professional athlete. But these guys who are so laser focused on their sport on doing the thing that they're really good at they just assume that the rest of the world on some level is as functional as they are like he. He assumes that the person people around him would be as perfectionist stick and as on the ball as he and then he discovers. No actually the. Aba is full of a lot of fly-by-night goof-balls have no idea how to conduct build a successful basketball franchise. The coaches are worse. The referees or worse it's basically his worst nightmare is in this imperfect leek. Yeah yeah no. It's the other thing that he goes. Because his father in law bruce hale was his college coach also coach in the in the aba and if you boys his father law to its this bottle yes right yes In rick perry's autobiography. Which i have read called the confessions of the basketball great greatest basketball cover of any book. It's written it's the worst cents on it but in this. He does this thing in book where he invites people in his life to comment on him and was hilarious. So he has bruce hale among others right a little section. We talks about He talks about rick and they. If i'm gonna read it to you only two of these. 'cause they're beautiful so rick hale the guy who he abandons a- surefire career in the nba to jump to the upstart because he says he has such a strong bond with his father. Ma roussell And this is bruce. Hale talking about rick perry in this in rick. Perry's own autobiography sometimes his teammates have resented him. We had a little bit of this at miami miami. The basically the guys like him and he's a very likable latte. If you know him he has an ego in a show about him but when you get to know him you like him. It was like pam's business who she dated. He's talking about his daughter. And i had no objection to her dating. Rick mother certainly did sorry. Mother mother certainly never did. She loved rick from the start. That's his father in law whom he sacrifices entire career giving the most luke lukewarm warm. Like it's like on the one hand on the other hand right. Everybody if your father in law wrote that about you you'd never speak to him again. Yeah that'd be bumped it'd be like it's a tough one bill especially when you through your career to to bother. Yeah exactly but wait you know what's even better this when i gotta read. This is his wife. So bruce hales daughter paint hours. He had come to the house and was in the pool. He had a crewcut bad teeth. He says now that it was calculated away being with me without letting on he was involved with me. But i don't know if. I can believe that he was awful to me. He was always shutting me in the pool. And i hated him for it. Oh i could take it but as always someone who goes too far. Who does it more than the others beyond endurance. And for me that was rick this recap vichy's his wife riding his for public education in x. Own autobiography a book. That's supposed to pick us like rick. Barry were there. There is always someone who does that more than the others beyond endurance and for me. That was rick. I it's just it's crazy and rick. Let that in key red like oh all right thanks payer. We know if he was an actor or a singer. Yeah and he had this kind of personality. We would just by difficulties a handful but great actor and great singer and basketball doesn't really work because so much relies on your relationships with other people that if he and this is by the way i mentioned steve jobs. This is exactly the way people talk about. Steve jobs exactly. They say he tortured me. He was a yeller screamer. His egos out of control but on the other hand he was. Maybe the most brilliant entrepreneur met my life or a university. Like it's the same. It does nothing particular rick. He's just like. I said he's in the wrong profession. He's just personnel does not work in the world that he chose one other thing. You were fascinated by which she did. I think your third podcast ever. Yes for Revisionist history was about. Rick bear in the underhanded free. Throw and why other people didn't this. What attracted you to that. Because that was one of the rick barry legacies. I remember as a kid. Every one of them went in the last eight years he was in the nba when he came back he shot almost ninety two percent and he was his automatic. And it was a swish every time and you would sit there and you go. Why doesn't everybody do this. Seems like he's solved free. Throw shooting and yet. Nobody does to solve so i went to see him as a faster by this question. I went to see him. And i spent an afternoon with him. And we talked about this many other things and it cemented my affection. I do have great great affection for rick. Perry and he to this day is genuinely puzzled by this. Because there's almost no. I don't think there's any precedent in modern sports history for a guy who comes up. Who who exemplifies an innovation that solves a major performance problem in the sport is routinely as routinely universally ignored by his peers. So it would be as if Tiger comes into golf Is super fit. You know works out like a mad man and starts bombing these four foot drives off the tee and everyone else in the sport is like no. Actually we're going to continue their pot bellies and dink and dunk our way around right. It's like okay. Yeah he'll go. Let's go back to the whole sport or You know rafa comes. Along and starts banging topspin forehands harder than anyone's ever seen and everyone just said a. Let's go back to wooden rack. It's and no every other sport. The innovator comes along everyone follows except for basketball where the greatest free throw shooter of all time does so with the underhand and no one follow suit and part of the reason is that no one likes him to be admired respected. The other thing is you. You look like assy. Yeah and the only key can. He didn't care about looking like a sissy. Why because he is disagreeable. The disagreeable personality doesn't give a shit about how his peers view him. Everyone else in basketball is agreeable. So they don't wanna look like an idiot in front of their fans in front of their peers so they can't do it. I mean chack was super openness. Shock has said repeatedly even if he if shooting underhanded free throws turned him into a you know ninety percent free throw shooter. he wouldn't do. It doesn't look like an ass right and won't try it it right. We'll we'll donald in it and it never took one. I think one season and it's the greatest statistical season of his life and then he but shack is more interesting to me. Let me ask you this question. If shaq had looked at rick perry and said call them up and said okay calm teach me how to shoot underhanded and rick turn shack into a ninety percent free. Throw shooter where does shot go in. The pyramid shack would have been. Probably the most unstoppable player of his entire generation because there would have been no way to defend them basically. Yeah 'cause when he's around the rim you just foul him and take your chances but now if you're going to do that it's two points every time then what do you do. Yeah so he would be. Would you say he would be. Would he have been a top ten all time player. I already what i think. I really happened the top twelve. But i think he moves into he he just would have won multiple. Titles enro- i. I don't think there would have been any way to stop them. Because the the flaw was shack was in the last four minutes. Yeah she's unless. He had the kobe next to him. You know it he didn't wanna get fouled either. That was the other thing it kind of you would change. Wilt had a bigger issue with that. Were what would literally change how he played in the last four minutes and he would move further away from the basket and all. But yeah i but i think we in rick. Barry's fatal flaw. Was his personality. I think all the great players had some sort of flaw right birds birds. Fatal flaw was that he was reckless. The treated every possession every game like it was a game seven. He's diving for loose balls and crashed into score tables and then his his prime last eight years. You go through everybody down the line. Even michael jordan. Who's fatal flaw was like. He was a little like brick barry right. he was so demanding and just couldn't couldn't kind of come down to the level of his teammates. Sometimes and eventually he kind of figured out how to but shacks. Fatal flaw is the free. Throw thing that was it but that that like that. So shack is steering immortality and all he has to do is do is make one phone call. Well shape if if shaq had gotten in shape and solve the rick perry thing yeah he would have had nasdaq one of the top three but this is one of the points made about shack when i wrote about him like he was fine graduating with a three seven. You know he didn't. He didn't care four. Here's like three seven. I had a great time. 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The james harden bulldozed his way in there so now six nineteen seventy five finals. Mvp he won my mvp for that year which batters nothing. He finished fourth in the ballot. Sixty seven all all-star vp. Also when the mvp in the crossover aba nba all star game in nineteen seventy-two underrated mvp on mba. I team five times second team first time all. Aba first team four times so nine times. He was one of the five best players. One of his league's season leader points. Once free throw seven times steals once best player in two finals runners. Ups in those seventy five playoffs. He was twenty eight six and six forty four percent field goal in his. Aba playoff peak was thirty four game nba playoff peak around twenty seven and seven and Almost twenty five points a game. He is the seventh best free. Throw shooter of all time. Eighty nine point three percent. Almost average five assists a game too so into date with interest. Me about him is in today's game. He is a massive hands down superstar. I mean he's i hadn't realized in That what an extraordinary i mean. A very limited sample. The men had was at a great three point. Shot right in the aba. He was over forty percent the playoff games and then in the nba had this inert corner. Ms we'll do it now. Only the first year they the three point line only two guys attempted to hundred. Three's and he was one of the twos as last year in the league. But i think there's this alternate universe where he comes along twenty years later. The games a little more wide open. He had the shooting range potentially to move back. And then. he's basically unstoppable but back then they. They weren't thinking that way. Who is his corlett in. Today's mba. I don't think it exists to be honest. I think that to find a small forward like that who can pass and shoot. I guess you would say like glucose would be the evolutionary version amre because lucas a forward He's a passage shoe guy but he also plays basketball. The way you're supposed to play it. But if you had rick in these days he would have to learn how to play more like the luca type of style right clear out for me some movement but also like could be guys off the dribble and give me space in his day you had the centers clog in the lane and stuff like that so So i i guess it would. It would kind of be weirdly like luca. Yeah 'cause he. Luca's that somebody who's lightning-fast neither was rick but he oh there were always in control of the pace and can either shoot or pass at all times. Yeah yeah i swear. That wasn't a compare white guy a white guy thing. Either you know. I always love to try to crossover. But i don't really see anyone other than luca who is a forward who did the things he did Five things you need to know about barry mentioned one of the greatest free throw shooters ever one of the best passing forwards ever if you separate the nba by twenty years fears. Basically because it's sounds seventy five weeks so basically like forty six to sixty six sixty six. Eighty six eighty. He do it that way. He's clearly What are the most important players from that stretch. But also one of the best forwards and it's you know him and him bird irving check. They're all in the in the mix during that same era. We don't really have small forwards like that necessarily anymore. So he's like this olds go thing but the other thing is so. I was thinking. I did this in my book. About if you pick the nineteen seventy six dream team you basically before. We actually had the dream team in ninety two. If you go backwards your psycho who would abandon the dream team each each for years. So the seventy six dream team would have been rick. Perry kareem doc. John avic tiny archibald starters. And then cowan's david thompson marriage. Bill walton. paul. Westphal bob mcadoo and john. Lucas would been the college guy first of all. That's an awesome team. All those guys were really great but it speaks. I think berries probably the alpha dog of the nineteen seventy six olympic. Does anyone play defense on that team. I lo- kareem Maybe some havlicek yet. It is an offensive. You would have a lot of guys screaming help but nobody plays defense back. That teams are going one hundred and sixty points a game. I mean it's unbelievable. Second thing you need to know about ric bear you mentioned so he jumps leagues. After secondary becomes the first pro athlete ever to dispute the reserve clause. The reserve clause was all the professional sports as basically. Like your contract ends. Your team owns you for another year before you can lead. This is well before free agency. He's the first one to challenge it. He goes to the aba. They say no go and he has to spend the year as the oakland oaks tv announcer. The third year of his career is not even playing his tv netzer and really is held in contempt for the next seven eight years as like this greedy money hungry dude who you know cared more about himself than team stuff like that. Now if had this wave of player empowerment. And somehow rick barry is still is in the winter of this like rick. Perry literally is the first guy ever to say. I am going to risk my career to challenge reserve cawse and curt flood. The baseball player gets the credit for this. But rick perry data i. Why didn't he get credit for this as it. Just because people don't like them. Yeah okay. that's the price you pay. It's the price you pay for being disagreeable. I mean ripples into every single part of your life it's also you know he's his own worst enemy of course because he doesn't know because he's because he's ultimately so indifferent to how we seen by others he doesn't go to any kind of go out of his way to make his own case. Yeah he is like i is. He's sort of effortlessly antagonistic. Way which you are if that's not on your radar screen. I mean think about it most you. this is. You know when people discuss the personality profiles of entrepreneurs. It's that final. Disagreeable piece sets the difficult one. So there are lots of people who are creative is a much smaller but still sizable group of people. Who are both creative and conscientious. So hard. hard working and creative but the take to take those two characteristics and also find someone who is disagreeable is really really really rare. Why because it's just too difficult to be disagreeable it doesn't. We're not hardwired to be that way. You know most of us you. And i'm everyone we know. We spent enormous amounts of time and attention thinking about the way we're being perceived and thinking about how best to present ourselves to the world. It's impossible for us to imagine what life would be like if we didn't spend all that time and attention. That's rick perry stop thinking about that. This is not on his radar screen. Right it's like not. He's interested. You know when i hung out with them that afternoon. It was funny. It's like i had to work to find a way to like him. I went in wanting to like him. And because i had because my my reasons but he wasn't gonna like make it easy for me to like him. Yeah he's he was like he was bending to he was doing his own. Little weird like obsessive. Rick right down to i drove. I drove him into town and he was like you know giving me these long detailed instructions about like as if. Gps didn't exist in the way that you wouldn't just like every part of his like he's just not wired the way the rest are so yeah he's not going to get credit for being the guy who takes on the reserve clause because he's not ever gonna take any steps to make sure he's credited for being a guy who takes on a reserve plus right Second thing and did not rick perry. He should have run away with the nineteen seventy five. Mvp so he's thirty one and six thousand six year led the league in steals of free throws carries the words to the one seed. They're the underdogs in the finals. They sweep the bullets to win the championship. He's twenty eight six six fifty steals and seventy play games. Finish his fourth and mvp. Bob back wins. He averaged thirty five a game for buffalo lost in round one everyone valued centers more back then but the interesting thing is buried finishes fourth the mvp voting. 'cause the the players voted so they stick it to him and there could be a variety of reasons for that. It's a joke that he was an mvp in a and you know. I it's it's one of the worst. Mvp calls period. Had he won the mvp who poop finished ahead of them so mcadoo had was first. He'd eighty one first place votes. Five hundred forty seven points over. Dave cowan's was second. Elvin hayes was third embarrassed fourth had sixteen first place. Votes mcintyre at eighty one counts at thirty two hayes thirty seven so is basically like funky. Rick perry the players. I yeah fuck that voting for him to contest the crazy thing is so these are the non center's who went. Mvp and finals mvp. Sameer which is you're basically saying from start to finish. I was the dominant best bar. Non center's lebron bird and j magic dunkin in. That's it now. Nineteen seventy five. There's a lot of good players in the nba. And i think dr j. was probably the best player in the world in nineteen seventy five. It's arguable between him. And rick barry so maybe of dr j. in the nba. Who knows maybe he wins. So yeah you have to have that little caveat but it just speaks to. How good rick perry was that. That's the list the bromberg. Mj magic dunkin and he should have been on that list The the fourth thing you need to know about rick perry the inner hand free throw thing so we covered basically all of this. But what's weird is when you look at his basketball reference. He's getting better at it as he gets older right so his first eight years he never tops percent until he gets to the seventy three season and he goes ninety percent ninety percent ninety point four ninety two point three ninety one point six last three years ninety two point four ninety four point seven ninety three point five so in all other aspects of sports your stats are usually going down or getting worse as you get older. Maybe three point shooting it might go up. Might be an old guy who's just getting open shots. But he's literally figured out how to master free throws and it speaks to your point earlier. This is insane that nobody would look at that and go wait a second. What are we doing their fifth thing. You need to know so. This is an important one for us to cover. Nineteen seventy six western finals. I made a big deal about this in my book because i was so fascinated by their their the heavy favorites to win the title again game. Six and phoenix. Start three two sons. Gotta go ahead layup rick. Perry doesn't get the ball on the last play and it's still mad about and there's an injury i'm gonna play right now. Where all these years later. He's still mad and get the boss or plan that now game. Six down here We had the game under control. Now we're down and we run a play. i come off. Triple staggered screen was wide open. Unfortunately ball was passed in to the corner. I think actually wants to jamal now to grow from the lab the ball she begun to me. I was wide open. Goes to game seven in the first few minutes of game. Seven in golden state san francisco. Ricky sobers who was this sons guy who is basically like a cross between a basketball and hockey enforcer just was in fights all the time back eating gets back then he got mad barry over pick there. They buried took a swing in a-. Then there's a stop. They end up fighting at half court and And neither of them get thrown out because it's nineteen seventy six but in that fight. There's three sons in their breaking it and you can see just none of the warriors they're coming in to break it up there. You could see in the background. Just two of them just casually walking over his repairs getting pounded by ricky sobers and multiple sons are in their member about it when it started None of his teammates came over to help and mile. And so i think he got upset. That teammate income. Come to help ricky. I thought got him out of game seven. He built a lot game seven. That was great. Mystery about know people accused him of quitting. And i don't know whether that's the case. Rick perry's the one to answer that so. My theory was at halftime rick. Perry watched the tape in realized his teammates had injected to save him or somebody told them it's comes out in the second half and he doesn't shoot and he rick bears on the record as saying this isn't true. I didn't do that. But i'm just telling you i watched it 'cause it's on youtube. I watched it when i did my book. I watched it again. They're up six at halftime buried. Hasn't shoot the entire third quarter and if you watch it. He's getting the ball. He's twenty twenty two feet from the basket not moving. He gets the ball. He's just passing. He's just not revisited gerbil. He's not cutting he's not doing anything. He takes one shot in the third quarter which was a layup that was often inbounds. Pass remade cut anymore. Had a lab got blocked Doesn't shoot again until five minutes left in the fourth quarter. He goes thirty minutes without a basket at one point during this stretch. They're coming out of a timeout and the announcer. See him and he's just sitting on the thing like slump back super happy. Rick perry has come out of the game now for the golden state. Warriors is gonna come back in apparently just taking. The last minute looks tired today. He's gonna come back in the other men around the floor and various last to join them so he's like soaking. He doesn't score until they're down. They're down eight five minutes left. Finally he drives. Mrs. schott misses the layup makes a jumper all of sudden. You start shooting again. Down twelve makes jumper mix meaningless layup with twelve seconds left basically basically packed it in and then after the game son say gar heard says the golden state cap. That didn't wanna shoot it. Curtis perry said berry never moved for the ball. like he does in dick van ours does said racine disenchanted. I think he was upset. They couldn't boss out if you watch rick perry at any point in those two years. He played a specific way. He was clearly mad and he removed himself from the game. It was just aaron spirit for a long chunk of that game. They go from heavy favorites to they. Now lose the sons. Go to the finals leading to the triple. Overtime game against the celtics is eight. Celtics team celtics and beating. The warriors had the best team and it is just a bizarre bizarre game. It's one of the weirdest games that any great players ever had. And i sent you the clip of just him throwing passes for thirty minutes. Yeah yeah does it. Lebron has a game worried member disney. Where he where. He stopped shooting the bryant a couple. Couple cleveland games where he seemed out of stewart's but he never checked out the one. The modern one that was the equivalent was koby in game. Seven two thousand six against the sun's they were getting blown out and he basically didn't shoot for this whole long stretch in the third quarter and just seemed pissed off and was just like fuck. You guys do it and then kind of stepped out of it. The berry thing was it's amazing to watch and again it's on youtube and with the what's what's particular about. This is that he is. He picks exactly the wrong moment to have his pouting fit. I mean he jetsons the entire season right claims. Now he's like that's not true. It didn't happen to say that. I got mad and my team didn't want it was pouting. I mean what the hell was that about. And i should have been the blankety blank blank. Everybody thought i wasn't said was going on. Give me the damn all. But i didn't because that's not who i really am. It's really hard to watch that tape and did not think it happened. I mean he was one of the three best players in the league any just completely disappears. The other thing was he was such a clutch player as one of the rare guys who the plan stats were better than his regular season. Stats on a game. Seven years just. You're waiting for him to show up so but it it's not just you know we're talking a lot about about How rick gave book berry engaged this kind of behavior. His teammates do the same thing by by declining to come to his aid. In that fight they are engaging in behavior every bit as self destructive as rick stopping shooting. What's they know what's going on here. There star the guy who can win the title for them get is getting pounded by somebody else and they sit there and let it happen like you can't just blame berry here right. It's true dynamic that it clearly had been then you know and you know it's funny. You semi aldis oats postrate articles which is reading about and there was one. which was. there's one very early on his time in the warriors talking about how what marvelous team chemistry they had writings changes thing to read. Because of course it's very clearly very quickly. The case that they had terrible team can answer yet. A quickly flip. This episode is brought to you biden espresso. The holidays have arrived. We know it's stressful to find the perfect gift for that perfect someone in your life then is it and i said that perfect someone in your life well espresso coffee. Machines offer a wide range of coffee and espresso flavors of creating extraordinary coffee for that extraordinary. Someone espresso capsules fully recyclable. So the aluminum has a second life as a new product. The coffee grounds inside each recycled capsule then composted to nutrient rich topsoil. What better way to tell someone you care. This holiday season that an espresso coffee machine. Give them something to talk about. Discover the gift of the spread. So machines at an espresso dot com. This ties into next categories would stage the best so the flip side of what happens to him in that game is game for the nineteen seventy five finals when they win the title. They sweep washed in washington. This is also a crazy game to watch on youtube because washington's game plan in this game they send him. This guy named mike reardon who Is basically you know. He's a he's a a backup like guard. Forward type. physical comes any just wants to start a fight with rick perry. It's almost like hockey like he's trying to get rick. Perry the game so he's not gonna miss bouncing them around and he's just trying to get his goat and finally knocks them over and he's like kinda standing over him. Allah adults the warriors coach wearing a classic seventies. Were you know the disco outfit. Basically back in the days when coaches dressed like you know. They're headed to studio v four after former player who is known as the fiercest player in the sixties. He was wilson force. Her like wilt needed an enforcer Just one every fight he was in. He's one of those guys. He gets so mad charges. The court in fights mike rear very very lucky for am is now hold on alice's come out at work hotel on south got. He's pushing back on sound. So this is the only as far as i know the only coach player actual fistfight. We've ever had they get into a huge thing and al adult gets kicked out of the game and so does make reardon and the warriors win the title and allied does is in the locker room because he got kicked out of the game defending his player in a coach player. Fight so that was the opposite of this. Yeah so something goes south between their title. Your and the next year. Yup seemed like the hit. Rick quotes after the the sun series and seventy six basically. We played so stupid. Everyone was going for their own stuff. It seemed like he was pretty disenchanted with phil smith. Who was gold. State guard Subpoenas all right. In other words ages. The best rick had the best assessment of wilt. Chamberlain that i've ever read quote. I'll say what most players feel. Which is that will is a loser. He is terrible and big games. He knows he's going to lose. It'd be blamed for the law so he dreads it and you could see it in his eyes and anyone who has ever played with him will agree with me regardless of whether they admitted publicly when it comes down to the closing minutes of a tough game and important game. He doesn't want the ball he doesn't want any part of the pressure is at these times. That greatness is determined and wilt doesn't have it. There's no way you can compare him. No proletariat bill russell jerry west these are clutch competitors requires one of the best players in the world saying this about wilt chamberlain. Who still playing in his basketball book. can you imagine if like i don't know steph curry said that about kyrie irving when when day you just had a paragraph on quote like that is here my thoughts on this guy play against so that happened and we mentioned the The book cover of rick's book. Confessions of a basketball gypsy which you can find online. It is spectacular. The it's weird that the book is written. You write those kinds of frank tell all memoirs when you're gone from the game not in nineteen seventy two and i have. It's like who was the other question is the thing that would be different today with him as that. I don't think it's impossible that you would get another disagreeable superstar. That happens so i was going to happen today. The disagreeable superstar has someone in their court in their circle. Who coaches them. Who tells them when to shut up who says ranch you wait five years and there's just none of that back then is no supporting cast right. So will you get so fast thing about all. Sports era is what you get these an unvarnished picture of these guys. Because they don't know any better they're just kids you know they're all right one as well now the version of rick barry. Now it'd be kyrie irving right and he's not. He's not as despised by former teammates and rivals. Like rick was but in the same way. Like mercurial doesn't seem to understand the impact of things he does on his team Moves around your stuff like that but it's still. I think well liked by other players for the most part. If someone took a threw a punch kyri. I guess you. People don't rush likud defendant. Yeah people do they would. They would defend them. Is there one. Is there anyone in the nba. Now you think would not be defended by their teammates and star not at not of famous star. Yeah yeah. I don't think so. What's age the worst is our next category so so rick had a reputation for maybe not clicking with black players in the best way now the granted this is a million years ago but in nineteen seventy four one of the features. He had this quote about his worse team about how great their culture was quote. We like each other for what we are. Not for the color skins. I was kidding. Charlie johnson the other day saying. Don't tell me about you guys being put down. You had all the great detectives don't you. There was boston blackie sam. Spade the shadow. It's a great atmosphere. It's the first time. I've been on a team where a black guy will call me to ask. If i want to go eat in portland a few weeks ago we got it and we all just went out nate. They used to be unheard of. I think it's super clearly. There's something weird going on because all of that is just bizarre. Imagine somebody saying all that stuff in two thousand twenty. I was kidding charlie. Jets the other day Very add That somehow wasn't his worst moment with this stuff though because he had this moment that I think i was the first one to write about it. When i did my book i stumbled across it because i saw it was a finals games. Game five of the nineteen eighty-one finals. And i didn't even know about this. Rick barry's announcing with bear with Bill russell gary bender and they decide to have some fun with russell. They show a picture of the nineteen fifty six olympic basketball team in rick. Barry's all excited about it. And gary bender says rare. Could you think that guys over there in berry says i don't know it. Looks like some fool over there with that. That that big watermelon grin over there in the left and then they cut to russell and russell's just what the fuck did you just say and it just gets super awkward and banner said who is that guy that you bill. Don't you recognize the picture and russell is not smiling. He's like nope and you would think they would cut away from it but no it keeps going embarrassed like you sure. You don't want these pictures and bear. Russell literally turns his body away from berry and banner says rick. You might wanna leave this one alone and russell five says no. I don't want them and it was a thing back then and it was the thing that That basically rick was not on cbs. I think the next season. Because of it. I don't know look. I don't know watermelon grain. I don't know where that comes from. I like to give people the benefit of that. Such a weird thing to say but it was truly awful and I don't think that helped with his post retirement career you you'd agree with the odd thing about him and he actually goes to this thing about his lack self awareness from the very beginning. Even when he's at miami in college he starts taking all these courses in radio and tv communications. He has this idea that he wants to be announcer. And you said it you know and he takes your off in his in announcer early on in his career. I cannot think of someone who is less suited for being a successful announcer. Then rick perry right yes. He's knowledge of the game is extraordinary. And yes he will make all kinds of insightful comments. But he's you what you want from someone in that position is some degree of likability right. You're gonna spend hours with somebody thing. How many hours you spend with. Tony romo like i say an amount of time you only and it works because you want to hang out with tony romo right you don't you don't want to hang out. But that idea that he somehow given his own personality would have perceived that that job was ideal for him. You know as opposed to you know any number of other things an expert. Here's here's how badly he wanted to do it. He almost left the warriors again in nineteen seventy four to be. Cbs's fulltime announcer and was seriously like one foot out the door. Then with the warriors were like all right fine and they paid him. Whatever i still don't think he was like one of the top five players but he was moonlighting the answer choices. Were so bad. I did something in my book about this where they just tried all these dudes who were a disaster the oscar robertson eligib- baylor They just couldn't find anyone that worked ceric berry if he got knocked out of the playoffs with them. Become the announcer. And he's the announcer for the nineteen seventy six finals. For one of the great games ever trip overtime game because he was moonlight as in answer. This is two weeks after he gets knocked out Anyway him in. Rick him in a russell were reunited in eighty five. Tnt decided to pair them together as play by play announcer. Dude so i guess. Russell got over it or forgave him. Or whatever Next category this new one. This should have been a category sooner. But did he understand the secret. So you mentioned that. Rick barry quote about the team the quote. There are supergroup guys in this team players. Who put the team ahead of self. I think basketball is the epitome of team sport. Anyhow and we've got players now who complement one. Another for the sake of the team team successes. What everyone here is after at never seen a guy down on himself after he had a bad performances lungs. We won in the past. He might have been more concerned about his poor shooting. And even if we'd happen to win the game you wouldn't have been any happier. I would say he did understand the secret alkyl. Well there's two things though there's Understanding the secret in terms of your play on the court so he's not a selfish. He's brilliant passer right. He's like a his understanding of team. Play is extraordinary and then there is understanding secret off the court. That's the difficulty right. Maybe maybe he thought he understood that but never really did. I think he's halfway there next category too early to late just right. Did he arrive in. Time was a little too earlier was too late i would actually say he was probably just right. 'cause too i think i think him in the modern game is he's an even bigger superstar today can you. Can you imagine daryl morey would construct his entire offense around him. He would be james harden in flip this around any though. Yeah rick perry's personality in the two thousand ten's and two thousand twenty. I'm not sure it's flying. Although maybe you may be right. Actually let me let me reconsider this so he comes in now when you have to be so much more self aware and you have your teams around you helping you and monitoring and basically protecting you. Maybe that actually would. I think you're right. I think he was too early. You've changed my opinion. Good call he would have had a personal coach these days. He would have had a pr person he would have someone doing social media forum. Hither you know if maury has them in houston maury gives them a minder and like and then maury also would go and construct team around him of people who could take put up with him right which bodily cut it did with harden. I don't think hardens a walk in the park either right. he's not. He's not mary's berries level as a disagreeable type. But he you know. And so what. What maury dewey went out and found guys who had thick skins. It's tom so it's not. I don't think it's an impossible task today. One thing about buried next categories nerd corner and we did the thing about how he shot two hundred over two hundred. Three's year there's one more nerd corner thing. So his usage rate never was over twenty eight. And that's one thing. I love about these guys from this air. Like bird magic. You look at the use of trade. It's twenty two to twenty five. Because they were so unselfish they knew like they. Everybody else needed to get a taste so when you talk about could he have been used by james harden. I'm not sure would've he wasn't totally that kind of player right heart and is like the usage rates. Thirty eight thirty nine percent. That's usually what it is for any. Even somebody like luca. It's thirty seven thirty eight. It will be interesting to see if he could have adapted to that piece of it. Yeah where it's like. Oh shit. I just need the ball all the time. I don't know they just didn't think that way back then Next categories was he a one of one. I would say yes yes i would say. He was original prototype next. Category unintentional comedy wrinkle. So i did this in my book And i was fascinated by it. He he had like either a wig. Or a we've during the entire. Nineteen seventy five seventy six season and even when he gets in the fight with sobers you can see him like like readjusting it the same way somebody we some vegas lounge singer as a to pay is like whatever but with interesting as i got. I was at a word game once in the had the media guide and had team photos of every year. And i'm going through and rick barry. It's like you know he's got thinning hair in the top and you go and then and then there's this one year and he's got this full head of hair and then it goes back to the next year and it's gone tom brady. It's no comment dawn's hair which. I hadn't seen in a while i saw this weekend. We're took his helmet off. I say holy macro solder sad. Sorry something's going on it's behind that's going on he he Yeah well anyway. So he's the tom brady Of his era next categories defining playoff moment which was obviously the nineteen seventy-five playoffs. Yeah where they beat. They beat a really tough bull's team in seven the series before the finals which had norm van leer jerry. Sloan chet walker all these days to basically throw a bear. They prevailed and then they swept the bullets and a good bullets team really good thing. Yeah elvin hayes berry had thirty six and thirty eight games. Two and three were trained golden state. Why were they golden state. that's weird. Why were games two and three being gold state that leads us to half astern research in one thousand nine hundred. You'll love this. This is why you're here for really stupid Trivia things like this this is so unreal house. The nineteen seventy five finals had a one two two one one format for gaps. Why well Washington was the was the Had the better record so as they were supposed to get first two games. Unfortunately the ice follies had. I call in the oakland coliseum known god so the worst could host game four in the in bill cosby him or the cow palace which had a karate championship so they gave the bullets that choice you can host. You can have golden state hosts game one and then you'll host the next three or You host the first one gold stake. It's next to and you. Host games and five washington says cool. We'll do one two to one or one to two one. Golden state wins the first one in washington comes back to golden state. They win game three. Now they're up three owned the series. But it's going back to washington for four and five they get sweat off. Because of the ice follies and karate karate god said a humbling reminder of where basketball was in the seventies next half fastener research so berry thought him and Whereas owner franklin newly had agreed in december seventy seven and a two year extension of his words contract the extension gave berry an option to buy five percent of the franchise when he retired berry decided to not do that did pay raise then they haggled over it and then ended up leaving as a free agent. The houston ceric berry. Could've own five percent of the warriors and instead went to houston. I slightly more money. That i don't know if rick perry was like the shrewdest Businessman Now what this is well before the run up an mba. Yeah yeah yes. So he bought it. They probably that that share would have been offloaded. Sometime during the doldrums of the late seventies early eighties ch- barry never got his jersey retired He said. I didn't expect this is in the corner piece. I think it eventually got retired but after a couple of years he did not And he said to cornheiser. I didn't expect anything if i had a grand tour. How they have promoted at your last chance to rick perry heartbreaking. It's hard a hub. Then i found this one in my research. This is a story billy. Paltz told a writer named david hollander about rick perry quote. It was the nineteen eighty season. Our head coach houston. Del harris was trying to heal some risk between players. He brought in a psychologist. Who got the whole team together. in locker. room for visualization exercise Gas closer is visualize all their troubles and problems. Everyone in nanny said now keeping her eyes closed. Visualize picking up your all your troubles. One by one and put them in a bag then visualized storing the bag for your troubles off a bridge. He talked in very soft and relaxing. Boys now watch that. Bag of troubles fly off. The bridge splashed in the water below sinking until it's merges disappears when account to three you open your eyes and when you do all your troubles will be gone at. The time was reunited with rick bear in the rockets the psychologist counter three. I opened my eyes and said hey. Rick i don't get it. How come you're here. Rick didn't appreciate that philly pots the water worldwide. Whatever you know he was called the operate it was because of his size. I think it was the locker room. Legend yeah market. Corrector market corrected their next category. I would say larry. Bird market corrected him in every single way as the high scoring. Great passing a white guy who played forward. We must show. I understand what that what that. What does that mean market. Corrector market corrected. It basically means so the example. I always used as tom. Hanks michael keaton her daddy then and then. Tom anxious gets every good part. And metrics michael keaton. Oh and if tom hanks didn't exist it would have been way better for mccain. Yeah yeah okay biggest. What if sliding doors moment would. If the knicks chose rick barry over bill bradley in nineteen sixty five said they take bill. Bradley took had just taken princeton. The final four but was going to oxford for rhode scholarship for two years. The knicks could have just had rick barry away. He was like the scoring machine in college. And they're like no fuck. It will wait. Two years for for Bill bradley. i don't know how plays that. either he would have been kornheiser agra. Talk about this in a second. What would have happened if he ended up on those teams but There's a chance he goes down as one of the fifteen best pours ever or it goes terrible. Aww near cates him. I feel like it's one extreme or the other right. Yeah so the question is mean pickler back then. Seven seventies tabloid media in new york is ferocious. Yes so he's gonna get you if you make make friends big friends with the local press. He's gonna get like just chewed up. Imagine was already sensitive fans booing imagine if the home team fans turned on him which you know. These are knicks fans. They'll turn on you in a heartbeat. I know that does sounds to me like a recipe for disaster. It's quite a what if he also he went to houston when he signed his afraid. You played two more years there. And then in a believing in the year he left they made the final so he actually could have been in the finals one more year. He had just stuck around. There's also a. I think there is some possibility. He could have been on the eighty one celtics and they decided they didn't need him or something but anyway that's created post retirement next category bark leader honda out meaning after he retired. Did he keep his visibility and stature or did he fade away nobody ever talks about. The game is clearly honda. Owed i think it almost to his detriment. Lattice all right to marquette at walmart category overrated underrated properly rated. I very on him is severely underrated severely. I think you're i think you're absolutely right. Yeah probably the most severely of anybody we're gonna do this season a book a basketball and then the last one final pyramid ranking item. Twenty six in my book. He's dropped to thirty one now. He was one of the last two level three guys here. And then john stockton then at jumped the level of before and it was really you know i think mostly because of that five year. Aba sojourn and You know in some of the personalities stuff so I think he had the talent to be a top fifteen guy No shame and being top thirty five and finals. Mvp and seventy five in a hall of famer all that stuff. Do we hit everything did you. I was gonna say this. Just a reminder of how We forget how unprofessional professional sports were in the seventies. Yes just. I mean you see the same thing when you look at baseball before marvin miller and curt flood it's not even it doesn't even resemble a sport cypriot this weird thing where your own by some white guy probably hates you and like yet you know it's just like and rick. Barry's making these bizarre choices. And no one seems to stand up and there's no. There's no sports agency speak of who could give you advice. Who have been down that road before. It's just a it's just a completely unrecognisable universe yet. And there's really not the machine to cover it the way. They're is now to rebecca then. You just had sports illustrated and local newspapers. You know talk radio and win. We forget about the agents. The agents thing is. It's ghost this whole thing about how you would have a support system today. A big part of that is the rise of sports agents because what sports agents really are doing when they come to prominence in the eighties. They are primarily hand holders. advice givers. Right that's what they're they're they're to smooth all those rough edges when you when you show up in a your tennis player and you show up in budapest for some tournament in you can't check into your hotel room you no longer pitch a fit and get on the you know you call your agent and they fix it. So he's right. That's systems in place in rick. If rick had a modern agent in his corner is life looked so much different than than it did in his time. That's point all right malcolm guide. What could deceive. Thanks for coming up. Thank you bill. It's finally the holiday season and the same songs on repeat as are your holiday directions. Conversation topics in cheesy holiday cards consider a six pack of heineken. A shakeup your holiday gift. A gift even the pickiest family members can appreciate the kind of gift that will have them thinking. Maybe i shouldn't have gotten them flannel for the third straight year. Honestly who in your life is turning down heineken. Come on you. 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Uninterrupted plus scott brand is septic safe and clog free with scott brand you can keep life all and go to scott brand dot com and sign up for exclusive content. News and promotions said straight to your inbox. All right my friend tony. Kornheiser is here. Once upon a time his fingers use the work. he's the type stuff and he wrote a pretty iconic piece about rick. Perry nineteen eighty-three he also covered rick. Perry talked about that piece of my info at the top as you look back tony on. Rick perry's forty years later. Where do you remember. I rem- First of all. I let me tell all the people that you force me to read this piece that i wrote over. It's almost forty years ago now. And of course i didn't i didn't remember any of it. I mean i really didn't. That's so great about me is that i am not burdened by having any sort of memory they just washes out and reading it back again. You know i. I thought about i covered rick perry when i was working at newsday One of my jobs was to cover the nets when he was on the nets with bill milky only and super washington and billy paul and john rose bryant taylor people like that ali taylor as well and i and i watched him play. I dunno. i watched him play a lot and particularly in playoff games. And i thought then. And i think now he's one of the greatest basketball players i've ever seen his will to win was unsurpassed. I'm not saying other people didn't have the same will to win. I'm saying nobody had more will to win. Then rick barry. And i think that if you looked and you would know this better than i think if you looked at his playoff record you would see something extraordinary. Where in cases he exceeded in the playoffs. What he did in the regular season Some of the teams that didn't he win. Did he win. Twice with golden state right twice now. He won once with golden state made the finals with the warriors twice and almost won the title with the seventy nets. Came very close. Okay so so. Would it be fair to say that that. He was not necessarily surrounded by great players. That'll out of it was him hundred percent. The best player he'd be hobby. Ever played with was nate thurman on the original owner stan. Yeah so. I mean he was rick. Barry was a was a furious basketball player. Who made himself a great. Shooter was not a great shooter when he got into pro basketball. was always a great foul shooter. But did it underhanded you can't shoot underhanded in the actual game. I don't even think that's legal is it. Is it legal to shoot underhanded in a regular game not on the foul line. Is that legal. I think legal. Yeah it would. Just be weird. 'cause they blocked makes no sense anyway so he made himself into a great shooter. He was a terrific driver to the basket. He could finish. He could stop and shoot. He was a very good assist man if he had skilled players around him And what was ultimately. His undoing was his personality. He was briefly he was He was tough. I did in reading quotes reading the quotes in that piece. My god. It wasn't like i had a swift anybody's arm to say half the people the league hatred barry and the other half can't stand him it was like who's unanimity right with unanimity. Yeah he seemed like the tortured perfectionist. And that was why i wanted to. I think i was too hard on them in my book which i talked about at the top But at the same time you know. When i was working on my book and i read every book anybody ever wrote about the nba released over two hundred bucks and he the berry stuff. I was just so fascinated by that. You had this guy who was one of the best forwards of his entire generation if the best one until bird showed up and yet was you know by the time he left. It was like everybody just wanted him out of the league when you were at that peace one thousand nine hundred eighty three and it seemed like it was almost like michael corleone in the godfather to him coming to grips with the wreckage of this career. He should have had verses how it played out right. He was very very forthcoming very saddened by what happened. Angered of course. Because rick was fueled by anger but saddened as well saying you know i. I didn't want it to be this way. I didn't mean to be this strident. I didn't mean to be this abrasive. If you look deeper you would have seen my heart is. This is in essence. What he said. But not everybody's gonna look deeper. They've seen enough. And by that point he was off Doing color commentary and he was great on tv. He was done he was done and he couldn't get a job And there was nothing for him to do and so it seemed like at that period of time again we reading the piece that he was leading sort of hedonistic life. You know just caring about himself and about the way he looked and whether he could get back again. I've seen him a few times since then. He is unfailingly. Nice to me. I will say this as a sports writer. There were many occasions when you would meet athletes. You know for lunch or you'd be in a cafeteria circumstance. Or you'd be somewhere and the only two athletes who ever picked up the tab when i was talking to the only two were oj. Simpson and rick barry. Only to pick up the tab for you when you were chatting with hit. Del never never do. Wow no. that's quite a list. I wonder what other what other lists just have. Oj simpson and rick barry at it at the pretty. Yeah that's it. that's the list that's all. There is that particular category for you. Don't picking up the tab i. There are a lot of teammate. Everybody respected rix game. They just didn't like rick. And i don't know that they do now. You know. I don't think so you did a lot of mba. Stop back then. Were there any other players like that. That were out great and as polarizing as he was no no no i think that's i i because i reread it. I thought about that last night. And the only person i can come up with in any sport is barry bonds because even the even some of the players who were polarizing such as a. Pete rose was a polarizing figure. He was not disliked in the way. That rick barry. Barry bonds was disliked and barry bonds. You know whether you ever gonna put them in the hall of fame or not. He's one of the five greatest hitters in the history of baseball right. You'd have to agree with that. Well he's the best defensive outfielder. I've ever seen in person you know so. And he was not he was polarizing and not well liked at all But probably not as disliked as repairing so bears peaking in the in the mid seventy s basically after he has disappears these in the nba. Nobody there's no tape of the games. Basically then he comes back in the league is starting to transform a little bit and the players are getting paid more. The league is really changing color. And a lot you know. It's basically a mostly black league by the mid seventies and it becomes a talking point in the media and some of the sports illustrated pieces are incredible about is the league to black this is actual features that the writing back then the games that they're show the the playoff games stuff like that. They start tape delaying them for five six years. And it's basically like this league is in crisis the fans basically don't wanna come out to see mostly blackley get. Here's rick perry who's one of the white stars that they have and nobody likes him either. Yeah i was around the sport a lot then and i saw only full arenas place i went. The arena was full every place. I went people love basketball and love the the individuality and basketball that you don't see in other sports you don't see in the hockey because hockey is too fast. You don't see it in football because one person can influence the game quite like that and you don't see it in baseball where there are all these unwritten rules and codes of behavior. But i'm looking at a league with rick. Barry and julius erving and kareem abdul-jabbar David thompson nate archibald. I mean i mean you looking at guys who had different sizes are fabulous to watch and more creative in their sports than anybody else is in their sports. So you know that. I i understand that was written about that and i always shook my head at it. Always say what what are you. What are you doing. What are you talking about right. What are you talking about. It's funny as a little kid. I love basketball the most for other reasons. You just mentioned and you know in boston. And we had a couple of bad years where it wasn't like so outs but when the team was good it was always a sell out and i was always stunned. That people didn't you know especially when they started tape delay in the games and just not showing games. There's entire playoff games that there's no video of and An as a little kid. I remember being really confused by that. Like wait a second. We woody woody mean basketball's had trouble reading these sports illustrated pieces and just being confused. It did seem like you know i talked about. I'm going to talk about later when uh you're not going to be in the pot at this point but there's a what if that i have coming up about how barrio must got drafted by the knicks. Right they picked bill bradley over rick perry and they decide to wait two years for bill. Bradley overtaking rick. Perry and rick barry just goes to the knicks and you have this alternate universe where either net from nineteen sixty five on and now. He's with his team of beautifully. Beautiful passers and motion basketball. We might be talking about him as one of the eleven that's basketball players ever. I agree with that. That's the team in my youth. That's the team that i know better than any other team in any sport where maybe sixty nine mets. But i really do know the knicks. Well and bill bradley was Decisively important to that team. You know i agree with you on rick and what rick would have done but bill. Bradley was so important to that team. Those five guys out there at any given point could shoot from anywhere bill. Bradley was a better shooter by far than rick. Barry coming into the league at that point in time and when you had bar net and read and do buscher and frazier and bradley. There's five guys who can kill you from anywhere on the court. I don't know that there's ever been a team like that and they were selfless. And i don't know that if frick was there that would have been the same selfless team. I'm not and i think you have to be aware of how great bill bradley was in college took princeton to the final four princeton final four. And so i think he was considered at that point in hindsight rick. Barry's a far greater players. What are the greatest players of all time. As far as i'm concerned but at that point in time you can justify getting bill bradley kazzee russell playing the same position right. I mean you're a little too young for that one. I think right it would. It would have been. I think the ceiling is higher. But i think you're right. The mystique of that team might have changed a little bit. Could it's hard to be selfless when you have somebody who can put up forty in any game. Feed that person i mean. It's you know. I never get angry. When harden and westbrook score a billion points. I don't know that that's the way you can win a championship. Necessarily but if this guy's talent is to score they have a twenty four second clock. Which means you gotta shoot. And if you don't score you're not gonna win so put it in the hands of somebody that can score. Isn't that the most elemental principle of basketball. Yeah i think it is so you would have so bird comes next and would you say bird was a two point. Oh version of berry like he's taller. But basically all the same ways barry could affect a game birds doing it on steroids. Basically well i mean i would say this. I'm informed by. I'm reading this book. Called god's at play by tom callaghan which is a memoir of all of his years in being sports writer and he talks about burden. Gretzky in you know in a way that he likens them together very much and what he says about larry bird and i don't know that this is true about rick barry. Maybe it is true. But larry bird out. There was a genius in terms of anticipating where to be. And what would come next and how to find someone before. Even that person knew that he was going to be open. And i think when. Rick perry had the ball in his hands. He had the ball in his hands to score. Not exclusively but surely most of the time. I'm not sure that was true. With larry bird. I'm not sure they're the same player. I think what ties the men. Obviously skin color and position. But i'm not sure they're the same player are you well. I think i think the the common link with them as the passing and beria even though he didn't start his career as an awesome passer. I think by the time you get to those. Those warriors teams. Yeah i mean he was the him. It's him lebron bird not in that order. I'd have a bird berry brian. But as the three forward who just played a play could make any pass on a basketball court. I was if i can get open. i'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take it so before you go any any thoughts on rick. Wearing a we've during the entire nineteen seventy six season. I know you told me this. The other day told me this rankled you beyond words rank with me i. I was fascinated by it. I just can't imagine if somebody did this now. In two twenty twenty with the reaction would be so. So what i wanted to ask you was what is exactly the moral superiority having no hair. The hair is you told me that. I'm morally superior. I'm gonna feel pretty good but if you tell me oh tony you can't go on. Tv you can. I think you made it clear that getting a hair transplant was okay but having a hair weave was not okay to the minutia of that fascinated me and kept me up at night and it will speak to moral superiority. Do you wanna defend that position. what happens. it's the wig came off there in the game. I mean just be terrified that the entire time. If i was playing basketball that there'd be some sort of hair accident. Well that's what happened. Didn't that happen with howard. Cosell didn't didn't leave rip his super. Yeah but it didn't happen with rick. Perry and you would think that the way he was treated somebody would have tried to do it. Maybe it was a really good hairpiece. I great before we go greatest forwards you've ever seen. I assume you have lebron number one and number two. Is that fair. Yeah i mean. I don't sorta rank them in order. I mean 'cause they're all you know. They're all in the same the picture on the wall. They're all in. The picture doesn't matter who's in the end and who's in the middle You know. I mean. I go back a long way for people who played that position. Gus johnson dave buscher chad walker. Her you know early on. I assume that you rate dunkin. As a forward in non center and dunkin was spectacular. Mikhail was spectacular in what they did given their size. But havlicek and bird and barry and lebron. Stand a little taller on my leaving. Somebody out was the only other one is durant. Oh yeah. I don't think into ramp because he's not done yet you know. I know lebron's not done but lebron's level of accomplishment. He's like looking backwards. Most of the time durant honestly bill durant when it's all said and done. And i don't know about championships. Or anything like that. Durant may be the most unstoppable forward of all time like. How do you stop him. How do you prevent him from doing what he wants to do. It seems impossible to me. Yeah i would say durant is probably the easiest two points at the forward position. See you'd think kareem cream was easiest two points at center right and durant at forward jordan guard. You think that way also again. It's it's how old the person is and what they have seen. I'm old enough to have seen the entirety of the nba. So for me. When everybody talks about jordan i just i just raised my hand meekly and i go. I'm gonna give you magic. And i'm gonna give you off or and gonna tell you. They control the game. Every bit the way jordan. Control the game that oscar robertson was a five tool player before anybody was a five tool player right. He could shoot he could pass. He could defend he can rebound he could handle what what else is did. I miss something in being guard right well. And that's that's the case for why. Rick perry was underrated because what he does in the nineteen seventy six. The nineteen seventy five season from start to finish. He does something. That only a handful guys i've ever done. And he underwent stuff that other players did not. I mean he was barred from playing for a year he was around. He was persona non grata. He was you know larger than life and not in a good way. Most of the time he was the guy you through darts at ran on all right uncle. Tony thanks for coming on. I appreciate it happy to do it by.

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What Happened to the Warriors and Kevin Durant

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What Happened to the Warriors and Kevin Durant

"The following podcast includes explicit language not restricted to words beginning with F S B and Q. Hi I'm Josh Levin Slates National Editor and this is hang up and listen for the week of April thirteen. Two Thousand and twenty and this week show we're going to talk about. Espn televising force. Major League baseball is planned to restart the season by quarantining everyone in Arizona and other dispatches from Sports World Gone Insane also talk with the Athletics Ethan at Sherwood Strauss about his new book the victory machine the making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty. And the hang up. Listen Magazine Club will convene to discuss how I psych them. Bill Russell's nineteen sixty five account of how he gets an opponent's heads or will we discuss it. Maybe maybe not think about it from Washington. Dc Connoisseurs of the hangup. Intro copy will note. I did not mention the clean up top because I'm going to mention it now. 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Yeah that's that's an autograph ball by the key players from the Northern League who I wrote about in wild and outside the little mentioned. The book on this podcast. Oh Nice when you're up to players would you say you're a key player? You can sign on sweethearts. But you're not a key player. You're maybe a key player. Like how did you navigate that? Actually I just let them sign where they wanted to sign and as athletes will do the guy with the biggest ego took the sweet spot on the ball. He was not one of the best players. He was not a manager. He was not the commissioner of the League but he signed right in the sweet spot because he knew he was going to be great. We'll reveal on a future. Podcast Joel Anderson from Palo Alto. Staff writer has to slow burn season three. Do you have any autographed memorabilia? In your home knows the last thing that I had autographed was a business card from Jerry. Rice and Roger Craig at the Houston Galleria in one thousand nine hundred eighty one and get being that. There was a business card from thirty years ago. A pretty certain that that's nowhere to be found anymore. It's really sad but I had the very good memory. Being thirteen years. Old would have enough confidence to go up to my heroes at the mall. So that was a big deal. That's great I've only asked for one autograph. In the course of my work. This was different. It was the end of the season. The book was done. And I'm holding this up now two. I interviewed Palay. Who WAS SPONSORING CITIBANK? I think it was mastercard. Really impressive from my desk Nice. I love the fact that you don't consider the baseball from your book to be forward because the book was done anytime you're done with an interview you just ask for an autograph. It doesn't count. It wasn't like an autograph as I loved. These guys daughter looking all right fair enough. 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Go Bears Positive Coronas test the NBA ESPN teamed up to bring us one of the first live sporting events in our socially distance world Sunday night was the debut of the NBA Horse Challenge which featured four separate matches between a mix of current and retired NBA in wnba players now other than confirming the obvious financial gulf between top NBA players and their wnba counterparts. I doubt anyone learned anything. We didn't already know. Professional basketball players possess an insane amount of skill. Were you not entertained? Stephan I wanted about five minutes of Joel. And here's what I saw. I saw Paul Pierce Missile Layup. I saw Paul Pierce Missa jump shot and I saw Paul Pierce Halas which looked like a really really expansive Italianate Pink stucco Adobe. I'm not sure what it was. And he's got a nice reflecting pool. And Zach Levine has a batting cage in his backyard. So that's what I took away from horse. I was totally charmed by sexually. I don't know if people were roasting it on on twitter or something but especially the last matchup between Allie Quigley and Chris. Paul Alley quickly was the breakout star of this event Wnba three point champ And they had like a good and find entertaining match and they were taking horse in the spirit. That was intended Chris. Paul dislike one luggage. Shot where you have to turn around while you do it from the three point line. I think it was a free throw actually but quickly was knocking shots down from like behind the backboard from lake the dirt around her cobblestones and I just appreciated the fact that obviously this is unjust like charity. Espn want something for people to watch. But the Janke nece and the home-made -ness of it I think was fun and cool and I don't really understand why you guys would be haters. I think we all need to come together. Nation to be a hater. I didn't watch enough to be a hater and I am glad to hear that. Allie Quigley Chris. Paul played horse the right way and Paul Pierce. Were not playing horse the right way. I actually appreciated how Zach Levine. Did Not play in the spirit of the game and just he was serious. Aww athletic stuff so he could Paul Pierce ears because he wanted to win. Like Responded amount of course. Are you really buying the Junky nece? Because every now and again I think they sort of you know you'd see. The camera is focused on them for your front facing camera. And then all of a sudden it'd be this panned view of them at the court somewhere. I Don I feel like there was a lot more production put into this thing been. They made it look bad on purpose. Yeah absolutely I love this conspiracy. Oh they're supposed to be socially distant second camera though Joel. The second camera was like someone's daughter. Nobody wants to put. Sometimes it wouldn't even be that like sometimes I felt like I could be wrong about. This is not like I'm saying that People get curves from five. G. Or something. I'm just saying it feels like it feels like there was some other production values going on here that we did. They tried to make us believe that. This is much more homemade endeavor than it actually was. This is some deep state stuff concerned to Mika catching. Some had her kid filming with an ipad up against the garage. But I think what Joel is suggesting that maybe to make a catching kid was actually. Espn cameraman had was like a fifty thousand dollar camera. I felt the same thing about Paul Pierce his daughter clearly. That was not just an iphone. Don't be surprised when the truth comes out. Okay that's all I'm saying but on the whole it wasn't a bad idea like I think that the NBA. Wmba tried to give us something and it worked but it just kind of felt like it felt like one of these things. Where there's you have a team meeting. Somebody throws out an idea. And they're like oh no now we've got to do it because they're just not now. We have to go ahead and do this thing because this competition is only as good as the charisma and the personalities of the people involved. It's just remember when to make a catching Mike Conley. We're going back and forth and it just reminded me of really bad I g live shows. Look that people don't have any chemistry and they don't know each other very well and you can't pick up on a person's body language facial expressions. It was very awkward. Stilted conversation throughout it wasn't like that for like Zach and Paul Pierce. Zach Levine. Really put a lot of his personality into it and you could just see that he was kind of a fun guy but every night again you'd be like Oh these people don't actually know each other and it's really awkward. It's like a podcast where the hosts have no chemistry. But also it's it's hard to have conversations on zoom because of the lag and so they say something and not be able to respond in time and so it was just Janki that way along with the production quality being bad because of this Jo- conspiracy because they wanted to be bad because ESPN obviously wants to broadcast bad images. We're not allowed. I mean we're not allowed to have all these other employees so they have to pretend anywhere. Maybe this is going to sound crazy. In retrospect already knows Josh wait. Who Advanced to the semifinals? And who do you like going forward? Is this really is a sporting event and we should have a sports tank here. Chauncey billups beat Trayvon despite the fact that trae on shooting on a hoop that was atmos- nine feet tall. And where the free throw line was maybe about ten feet away from them. Cianci's stolen and he was like making three pointers off the backboard with regularity. It was very impressive. And he had a nice court. Indoor quarter an outdoor outdoor outdoor. I think Mike Conley was the only one with an indoor court and as the ring are pointed out. It's nice to know what a one hundred fifty three million dollar contract will by you in terms of a Gem. I think they just play the rest of the NBA season. And Mike Conley's Home Jimi that. It's really. It's really nicely tricked. Is his house. Big enough to quarantine entire league though great question. So it's going to be Zach Levine versus Allie Quigley. And it's going to be fast. I'm going to be interested in that one. Because Will Zach Levine. Do his leg hit the ball off the backboard and make a layup on the other side. Which like maybe five hundred people in the whole world can do. I'm Paul Pierce Steph. Lay cannot do that. I would have my doubts that Allie Quigley can do it but well Zach kind of make make concessions and make them more of a shooting contest. Rally quickly could probably beat him. Given that she is the best one of the best shooters in the world. So that'll be interesting. Then the other side you've got Chauncey billups versus Mike Conley. And that's a good match to the thing about. Conley's that he's amber dextrous and he can shoot just he was also cheating. I love that these guys were shooting because he was saying she with your he was saying like shoot off Andrea weekend and clearly like his right hand is extremely strong and so just using that as advantage. Well I mean that's just a that's just a testament to his skill level. I mean I guess the thing is is that we had to take his word for what his offenders at this point the other thing that I want to see and then perhaps we can move on set. Ufc fight island or major league baseball. Whatever the HELL WE WANNA call that one thing. I'm interested in looking at and maybe some advice for Allie Quigley. She's married to her teammate. On the Chicago. Sky Courtney Vander Sloot. A married bat backward. Perhaps the only WANNA professional basketball. But she should incorporate courtney into the game and say have your significant other. Make a free throw left handed. I don't know if these other guys can compete with that Stephan. What are the rules? That's the question it's all about pushing boundaries. We need to be thinking outside the box in this new world. Speaking of which Stephan you wanted to do an entire special emergency podcast about major league. Baseball's insane plan to quarantine everyone Arizona. Your thoughts it's like one of the most insane things. I read go read Jeff. Passan's too I story for. Espn last week. Every sentence in that story was insane and every thought that baseball officials are having about how to pull this off and you can imagine like every league has to be doing this right now. They have to be coming up with contingency plans. It's like every business America's doing this right. Now how do we reopen colleges? What do we do about you know fast food restaurants? What do we do about Major League Baseball? So you have to come up with these bizarro plans to restart business and get the economy moving again. But this baseball thing was insane. The depth of a steps that would be required to literally create like a biosphere for players umpires coaches managers front office people media grounds crews et Cetera et Cetera et Cetera. Television just boggles the mind to think that these leagues are realistically thinking. Hey we can pull this off because we need to or they're thinking we need to do it for the good of the country is just bizarre to me when the obvious reality is grammy playing baseball in July or August and probably shouldn't be for everyone's wellbeing so Joel the plan would include all thirty teams playing with no fans and the Phoenix area. Everybody would be sequestered at local hotels and could only travel to and from the stadium. There would also be rule changes. Electric strikes on the plate author could main- maintain sufficient distance from the catcher seven inning doubleheaders players sitting empty stands six feet apart instead of in the Dugout This what what could go wrong right. I mean it sounds insane bizarre because we're living in a world that is insane and bazaar none of us have ever imagined anything like this and so the the solutions are going to be progressively crazy The more we think about if you're going to have baseball if you're going to have football basketball if you're going to do anything else if we're going to attempt to go in have live sporting events it's going to look and sound stupid when you when we say it out loud you know like just imagine saying this a year ago. Okay so we're going to do is we're going to play games without fans there and to the extent that we have anybody else players are not gonna be able to sit next to each other but the reason it sounds crazy. 'cause this is crazy and it also to me. It indicates that they are going to get this done. Like maybe not this particular plan but some iteration of it is going to come through. Because I don't believe that these people who are used to getting their way who used to the money never stopping just going to sit idly by and say. Oh we'll just wait so the country is opened all the way back. They're gonNA come up with something that is going to put these players health and lives in danger and we just have to be ready to deal with that. When it happens we call it out to say what what is going on and like no this is unacceptable or whatever but. I think that they're going. They're going to push this as hard as they can to make something like this happen. So two things number one Stephan. I think this is a useful exercise and seeing all written out because it does. I don't know if this was what the intent was but it kind of perversely demonstrates how difficult and stupid this says by actually just writing it all down everything that would you would be required to do but maybe numbered. This is point number two. This is like Martin Scorsese Turn Dan a cut of casino to them. Pa that had a head exploding. He knew that they were gonNA cut that part out and would be like all right. We'll cut this out and then you get your ratings. Well he never intended for the exploiting had to be in the movie. They fell for the trap. So maybe they're leaking these totally insane roles and then when they come up with something slightly less insane. We'll be like all right you know they're they're you know going to not put everyone in a dome and not allow them to you. Know see their families for an entire year. Seems more sensible. Yeah sure it's not seeing your families want exploding head but this is like one hundred exploding heads I mean. None of this seems feasible under any circumstance. Something dramatically changes in terms of vaccine in terms of contact tracing in terms of testing. And we're not there yet and I don't think we're going to be there in June or July. Either I have a prediction so Stephanie Epstein set in sports illustrated she she quoted a Guy Appear in epidemiology from emory who said we will not have sporting events with fans until we have a vaccine. I think that's incorrect. I predict and I think this is what you were saying. All I think that we will have sporting events with fans before we have a vaccine. Even if that's a bad idea I think I think it's going to happen. I think that's right. I don't think we can help ourselves. You know what I mean. I think the two sorts of people it play here people that cannot afford and not willing to wait for the money to start rolling in again and then you also have. There's a whole world of people out there that don't take this seriously at all the people that just believe. Oh people are overreacting. This is panic this. We're having deaths that that will be roughly approximate to a really bad flu season. But people out there that are saying that those are the sorts of people that are gonna be at the Lsu Auburn football game in December. And I think it's a good way to pivot to college football too because the pressure when you talk about the financial pressure and the willingness to put some people at risk in this scenario it's the players and it's the fans who really love this. Sport are probably as great in college football or greater than in any other sport. Because there've been a couple of good pieces looking at the the interconnected financial imperatives here the fact that college football generates so much money that it supports not just other sports at universities but other activities as well and you read these stories and they are very doomsday in their predictions and I come away with two things one is that this is kind of a for universities. Athletic departments that have spent every cent. That's come in to them because they don't want to be accused of profiteering. And don't WanNa be accused of having so much. Money could pay player so they've been building. These hundred million dollar athletic complexes and paying coaches contracts that are valued at nine figures to get around the fact that. Hey we don't have any money. We have all these other expenses. So now it has come home to roost in the weirdest way possible in the most unpredictable way possible and the pressure on universities to find a way at the big programs to find a way to restart. The sport are going to be immense. And who are the most vulnerable athletes in America? They are college football players and college basketball players players that have no unions and have no real recourse to push back against the demands of these institutions. But you make an important point which is that all these doomsday stories and to their credit S. I did mention this. They don't really reckon with the fact that a lot of the financial ramifications here and the accounting is kind of fake because these programs are spending so much of their revenue on building locker rooms. We've talked about that. A lot and universities are not just our athletic departments. We don't talk about how the sociology department needs to be revenue neutral like. I think there's an argument to be made that like the state of Florida should not be spending a lot of money bailing out like the UCF football program or something but these are unprecedented times. And if the question is should we be putting These athletes and students endanger or should we dislike absorb A loss in revenue for a little while It's just not real that if we don't have football that necessarily means that we can't have any women's sports or any other sports. That's not the way it works. That's the big lie here. I mean and even the good stories that I read in the last few days fall into this trap by saying that the Olympic sports the non revenue sports lose money for the university. They don't lose money their expenditures in the same way that dorms are expenditures and food is an expenditure and academic programs are expenditures and sports arenas school the framing is is completely off. And that's part of that's part of the problem. And sort of assessing the economic calculation of what when and what sports should return on what basis it would make more sense frankly to get rid of the one hundred million dollars in revenue from football and just support other sports because they are something that universities. WanNa spend money on yet. We and consider who the sources for most of these stories are. They're athletic administrators. People that work in TV people that have like an incentive to paint the the financial dynamics in that way right they would never say well you know instead of paying our athletic director five hundred thousand dollars a year. Maybe we should pay them. Two hundred thousand. We cut some down some of the athletic staff in some way. Maybe we don't need for five different. You know analysts on our football staff right which costs a lot of money. They wouldn't say that they'll say well. We got to figure out ways to keep the money rolling in so I. I think there's one one thing that I thought of in the middle of all of this. I was like if there was ever a time for college. Athletes to unite and assert their workers rights. This is it because you've seen that there are some coaches there are suggesting Dabo Swinney Mike. Gundy among them that they would be willing to put these guys health at risk and put them out there. I mean they. They wouldn't say it explicitly but they're hinting at it. And these athletes have an opportunity to say we have no incentive to do that Were were the only people that don't get paid into seclusion with only people whose health would really be at risk in this situation. We're not doing it and I would love to see something like that or at least people to start thinking about that in this direction because I mean these guys you know they. They have no incentive to get out there they have no reason to put their lives on the line and the people that are supposed to be looking out for them and their welfare in these guys are going to these players homes and tell the parents. I'm going to be looking out for your guy when I'm gonNA treat him like my son. They would not treat their son like this and so I would love to see these players rally around this together and say you know what Hell No. We're GONNA play until school is back in session. At least I mean that's the thing they're talking about having these guys play football before we even know we can go back to school which is gives up the whole game in the first place here. All right I wanted to let you know that in our bonus segment for slate plus members. Ethan Strauss who we are about to talk to. We're GONNA continue that conversation About his book the Victory Machine on the Warriors Dynasty and Kevin Durant Really interesting conversation. And we got more insight from Ethan about the team about staff and all sorts other stuff if you want to hear that discussion. And you're not a sleigh plus member sign up. It's just thirty five dollars for the first year at slate dot com slash hangup plus Ethan Strauss's first year on the warriors. Beat was the year Steve. Kerr Steph Curry Klay Thompson. Draymond green and crew Harrison. Barnes won their first championship. He's covered the team every year since I re- SPN. After the athletic his new book the victory machine the making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty is about what the subtitle says. It's about There's a bit more emphasis on the UNMAKING. The central figure is Kevin Durant. Who came to the warriors in two thousand sixteen helped push them to two more titles than decamped for Brooklyn last year after getting hurt and Golden State's finals loss to Toronto of that injury in game? Five Ethan writes. This was the night of Kevin Durant's redemption and also the consummation of his Faustian bargain for years he'd wanted love and recognition from a Fan Base. That wanted to be the hero on June tenth. Twenty Nineteen Kevin. Durant was finally their hero. It just so happened to cost him his Achilles Tendon joining us now fully end then Sherwood stress congrats on the book. Thank you so much as a hell of a summary and I also agree. I think there's more focus on the unmaking because at least a literary perspective It seems that's what draws us when it comes to the NBA when it comes to the great teams. I mean you see a lot of excitement for this Jordan. Bulls documentary the last dance. David Halberstam's famous breaks of the game is about the Portland Trailblazers after they were successful. For whatever reason. I can throw in shacking Kobe as well That seems to what draws us when we look back it's the personalities white can't stay together Rather than the great basketball the rise perhaps because that's an easy to consume product in writing about. It's like dancing about architecture. Whatever metaphor. I'M GONNA start way up in the clouds kind of already there. I'm there I can join you there and reading the book it struck me that it's not about who what when where or even how not even how you've been it's about why and it's not about answering why it's about asking why and not knowing the answer in life. I think that's our most common state is asking and not knowing and one of the big wise with the warriors is about proper distribution of credit. Did they win? Because of Joe Lak- taking over from an owner. Who never won anything. Did they win because of staff did they win? Because Steve Kerr brought something new to the team and later did they win because if durant or could they have one without him. These are all questions. You kind of ponder in the book so why is it worth asking these questions? If it's impossible to know dancers. I mean that's very existential. I think I mean that's that's almost talmudic. Thank you as far as what is the? What is the point to when it comes to struggling with these answers and we don't know them to me? I just like to think about things and be as honest as I can. I think it would be a much easier book to package if it was like some of these sports books of a certain category and I'm not trying to slight them or insult them but they have a perspective where this is why success happened. This is the blueprint for success. Take this to your board meeting. This is what you can apply at your company We've seen genre that. Obviously moneyball is a great book beyond all of that. But that's a lot of the appeal. It's this Oh man I can find market inefficiencies. That's why billy being one. He found a market inefficiency and he found players. Other people didn't have it turns out. The truth is a lot more complicated there. And the reasons the as one Don't just redound to that. But it's a better story to package of you have one answer. Unfortunately when I looked into the question of how the hell this all happened. I didn't have one answer. There was a lot of luck involved. There was steph curry on this incredibly cheap contract when to MVP's and wild Joe Lak- taking over the ownership from Cohen made a tremendous amount of difference. Even there. It was a little abstract as to what the difference is. And what it means. And so Yeah I I wish that there were easy answers. I just didn't find easy. Answers looked into it. I thought it was interesting that you chose not to and I think this buttress as what you're saying you chose not to structure. This is sort of conventional sportsbook. It's not a chronological narrative. Written in some distant third person about how this great team came together and how it fell apart. It's much more organic in in the writing. It's much more essays in the writing and to the point of Dumb Luck. I mean what I what I love about the way you do. This is that you don't shy away. From these details. The fact that the new warriors ownership attempted to trade steph curry and Klay Thompson for Chris. Paul in twenty eleven the fact that the draymond green was selected in the second round after they had taken to other players before him. The fact. That Steve. Kerr wasn't necessarily the first choice to become the head coach of this team. I mean a lot of it is total dumb luck and the more we understand that total dumb lock with some you know residue of design to of quote branch rickey behind it is what makes teams successful or not is. What really is a play here? Yeah and it seems like the arrogance of Light Years Joe Lak- with his chest puffed out. It is so strong that if you brought these details to them into him their attitude would be. Yeah well we would have. We would have been great even despite this road fork were. We took the right path instead of the disastrous path. Yeah you know. We'd Gotten Chris Paul in that tray. We would have built a contender in a Titan with Chris Paul at the helm of it. I do think that's the perspective of it all. And maybe it's important to have some of that organizational arrogance but it is amazing when you look back on it. How much they're just wasn't there wasn't a plan in the way that you would think there was a plan and a lot of it was happenstance and a lot of it was dumb luck and I think we don't like that as human beings we we. We like to ascribe some sort of plan to the whole thing Injuries are like that too and teams have a bunch of injuries often. That happens because they're not doing a good job as far as training as far as knowing when to rest guys. But we don't look at that as probabilistic. We say that it's a freak injury. It's freak. It's out of nowhere who could have predicted it. We like to ascribe We often ascribed to lock the bad things. And some of the good things we ascribe to skill or two vision at some version of the successes. Many fathers failure is an orphan. I suppose so. The most common way that we connect players personalities to their on court personas is with the simple narrative of obsessive. Nass leads to greatness or with Michael Jordan obsessive slash psychosis leads to greatness and you saw that with Kobe Bryant as well with Kevin Durant the kind of obsessive nece they you document and has been documented amply by others over the last few years. It's a different kind of obsessive nece in one. That doesn't really seem to have a clear connection to why he's great as a player. Do you think that's fair? Not necessarily I think that obsessive nece does have a connection. I think the insecurity that we see permeate much of his public life has something to do with why he worked so hard to get where he got. And that's not the complete explanation but There elements to his biography. How peripatetic. It was and how this a source of comfort this grounds him in a way. It's a place where he has a lot of control the basketball court so I do think that there is something to his personality. That's that that has something to do with the greatness but it also seems like we don't like seeing all of it that we like an idea superficially of a story of obsession and how it connects with greatness will laugh at Michael Jordan having cheated at cards cheating and Old Lady at cards. And that's part of I e so competitive all my God Mike but when we actually get a full dose of the Michael Jordan Esa Michael Jordan. Let's say at the Basketball Hall of fame speech he gave we we we pull back we go. That's a little bit. Who is a little bit too close? We didn't want to see all of that. And it seems like Kevin Durant is very much that guy for this era. We're where we have so much access to athletes and what they're thinking that we see some of why he's great personality wise but it also makes a lot of people recoil or want to withhold the praise because the insecurity is so palpable. Even obviously Kevin Durant is a central character here and your relationship with him some a piece of this book in the conversation here. Can you talk a little bit about when it became apparent? Because there's a there's a guy that says durant is a different dude. All superstars a fucking crazy but like durant is a different dude. Like when was that most apparent to you in like your relationship with you. And you're like Oh this guy's not like dealing with all the other NBA stars. I've dealt man well. I heard. Obviously that is different dude going into it even talked to him a little bit about being different Dude But. I think it's just how he okay. I think one moment was. He was complaining about He was complaining about what some random twitter person was saying at him and I didn't know the random twitter person was initially made it sound like it was somebody with some clout or some following. But it turned out to be. I don't know thunder fans six one nine two right. It was just some random and Kris Haines reporter at Yahoo says the Katie. Were on the locker room. Man You're sensitive and and Aramco's yeah I am sensitive. What's wrong with that and it was just something. You typically hear the locker room. It was a very different thing to say and we didn't have anything to say back to them. In a way it's very that aspect is very healthy that he knows that he has a certain emotional range and isn't ashamed of it but it's not something you commonly see in the NBA and it's say the stuff better stuff really got under his skin right. Yes this stuff better stuff for people that don't know there is a contingent of warriors fans Andy and say that have talked about it started off you know sort of mocking Lebron fans. Maybe but then it seemed like it was weaponized in some ways but some other people that were not andy and Sam that stuff was more central to the warriors success than Katie. Is that a fair. Yeah rendering it. Yes so yeah. So that really got under his skin correct. Yeah or he would just complain to media that we were trying to rile up steps fans in opposition to him and he was acutely aware of one guy's reputation versus the other guys reputation. And in a way that I don't think Steph was and it bothered him but you always wonder you know we can blame Andy lieu of salesforce major twitter fan on major warriors twitter fan for Katie's exit but Y- you always wonder if you just would have been something right. It would have been that or would have been something else. The bottom line is he was feeling a deep own. We that whatever praise was coming his way. It seemed like the void was unfilmable and we almost might be asking the wrong questions. If we are blaming Andy Liu for Or myself maybe. I don't know for for Kevin's exit. I think the the reasons were a little bit deeper than that. And maybe more particular to the era that we're living in that was articulated really well when you describe how Adam Silver the commissioner of the NBA. At the MIT Sloan Conference last year talked about how it struck him that so many players are truly unhappy and appear so isolated to him and he might as well have been talking about Kevin Durant. I'm you write very clearly about durant's insecurities his sensitivity. You're right at one point. He wanted to be feted and was highly sensitive to the praise or criticism. His teammates received he would knock down teammates publicly and players. Sort of figured. Durant out right that you needed to stroke his ego and apologize to him and when you got into this very public fight with him I guess him fighting with you over something that you wrote. You were pulled aside into the into the players lounge which is no go territory for reporters typically and Andrea Goodall on a couple of other people. Wanted you to go apologize. Because that's what worked for them because because they needed Katie to be great on the basketball court. And you didn't apologize. Obviously because you didn't need him to not be an asshole to you. That was just part of your job. Yeah I think Andrei paraphrasing from my own book sets something to the effect of you know. Hey you're married I'm married sometimes. You just gotta apologize or some Shit that we didn't even do. It's the way of the world you gotta go. You GotTa do that but I think it was also a fundamental misunderstanding from the perspective of players players. You know they grow up. And they're often the star of their uteem. What have you? They're always in demand. People always need them. They have to become cynical. A very young age and know who the frauds are trying to manipulate them and extract value from them so they have this perspective of you need us. You need us and Kevin Durant's one of the greatest basketball players ever so obviously you need him and it doesn't work like that not for everybody you know. Kevin was somebody where it was nice to have a good rapport with him. I enjoyed having it when I had it. He always had very interesting things to say about the league record but it wasn't a situation. I fell where I needed to placate him and get back in his good graces or whatever it is I do was ended. It just didn't seem that way but from the player perspective. Obviously it's that way. And that's why I had Andrei and demarcus cousins saying that I had to. I had to make peace one of the most interesting aspects of all. This is the awkward competitiveness between players especially superstars for the ardor of Madison Avenue. Or for the respect of fans and you write about how one of the big effects when durant go to Golden State. Is that staff. Isn't the loan superstar and that hurts under armor because Steph. Isn't you know scoring as much? He's not the finals. Mvp and then you have durant As a Nike Athlete. But he'll never be Lebron for Nike or for fans no matter what he does. How much do you think for Durant? All of that stuff was weighing on him versus anything that had to do with on court. Just this idea of trying to be marketable trying to beat loved as somebody who was not just a basketball player. I mean I think it's huge and if you're competitive as these guys are and you have the kind of career where you're right there. I mean if you remember Kevin Durant was saying years ago. I'm tired of being second. That gap between first and second is massive massive. You're either the face of the League or you aren't obviously there's a strata of maybe five guys who remarkable and are famous and could conceivably be household names. But if you're the face of the league it means you're probably the face of Nike which means you're probably one of the. I don't know three most famous. Sports athletes that's redundant but the three most famous athletes in the world and and interrupt for a second as you rate durant destroyed. Lebron in that first finals was clearly better and then after that he still wasn't more popular than Lebron. He's still wasn't the most popular player in his team. He's still wasn't the number one guy at Nike and that must've devastating the right word. But it's like you gotta feel someway about that. It's some it's understandable. I you can see it from his perspective because yeah he's doing the Lebron playbook okay. Lebron gets his super team together. Everybody's angry at him down to Miami. We'd never seen a team like that with Wade and Bosch and Lebron but then they win the championship at Kevin Durant expense in a finals or Kevin. Durant plays brilliantly and nobody cares. Kevin Durant played brilliantly in that finals. They lost five in five games to Lebron and the heat and all hail the King Lebron the best player. He's redeemed himself. That was the arc Kevin Durant witnessed and so I think he figured okay. Well I get my super team together. We win the championship in dominant fashion. I wouldn't finals. Mvp obviously now. I'm the top guy and Lebron isn't and it just didn't work that way. The rules didn't work that way. I think we understand why. I think that there is a slight difference between joining a team. That's won seventy three games and you know just putting together your own super team but those differences seemed you know relatively minor probably to him and it didn't make a lot of sense and frankly. I think the reason for why we reacted that way has something to do with how badly we know he needs it. I think that's part of this whole this whole thing where we're just less likely to confer a praise on somebody who seems so deeply in need of it. I have a kind of a question here. It's an to talk about basketball second because I heard on your your podcast Ethan. That Maoz browns said something along the lines that the warriors are under appreciated dynasty along the lines of the bad boy pistons. And you didn't really follow. I didn't hear you follow up on it and I just kind of curious to know if you agreed with that because it seems like there was I don't know that the warriors one but it just like they never got full credit for that run throughout the League. Yeah I probably left that one linger from miles. Because it's an interesting idea. Just because I don't know if I would compare the two. They just have such different identities. Where the bad boy Pistons? They had this identity and this cultural resonance but they weren't thought of as dominant in that. Way are hyper talented. So it felt a little apples to oranges. And there's also this aspect of I don't know what history will regard the warriors as we're still a little close to it and maybe in the future will go. Oh my God. That 2017 team was the greatest team of all time. Right it just seems in the immediate aftermath. Were Not as appreciative. And that have more to do with the era that we're in than anything else and I keep hammering home the Zeitgeist in the technology but it does seem as though we are in an era currently where we would rather laugh and jeer at somebody for screwing up than we would want to praise and hold up somebody for greatness. We WanNA watch the guy slipping fall. I mean you look at what was the trope out of the two thousand sixteen finals from one perspective the cavs and Lebron make this incredible comeback from down three one and Kyrie irving hits. Maybe the biggest shot of all time and they win a championship for Cleveland for the first time in four decades. And what are we talking about? In the aftermath of that it's at the warriors blew a three one lead three one three one. Let's make fun of the warriors that seems to be the era that we're in. I don't know we're more cynical. I don't know we just have too much capacity to communicate with each other on twitter. Or what have you but it just seems as though we celebrated success a little more innocently in the not too distant past as opposed to right now. The book is the Victory Machine. Making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty. Truly interesting smart few like Ethan stress. You like the book. If you don like Ethan Strauss you also might like as possible grads Ethan. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me in. Nineteen sixty five bill. Russell did an as told to confessional with sports illustrated titled the Psych and my other tricks. It starts with Russell saying he isn't going to look up. The definition of psychology in the dictionary. I mean dictionaries are nice and all that but did old Daniel Webster ever have to stand there at the top of the key. Define five sweating monsters rushing down at him. I nearly stopped reading there. Because Noah Webster is the dictionary guy. Daniel Webster was the congressman and secretary of state under presidents Harrison Tyler and fillmore and they were not related. But I persevered and I'm glad to have done so in glad that we've made this the first selection in the hang up and Listen Quarantine Magazine Club. It was suggested to us on twitter by former SL writer. Chris Ballard who was let go in the recent purges by the vultures who now own the magazine. Chris told me he read it a few years ago. While combing through the sports illustrated archives the candor the confidence slash shit talking the depth of psychological ploys. Chris Ed I knew about Russell but I didn't know this side of him and found it fascinating. It's like a mix of Tim. Duncan savvy and Kevin Garnett crazy. Chris said he had wanted to recreate the peace with Draymond Green. But alas that never happened Josh. We should probably start with some context when this was published at the start of the nineteen sixty five sixty six season. Russell is thirty one years old. He's entering his tenth year. In the League. The Celtics have won seven straight titles. He's so good and so established and so confident that he must have thought fuck it. I can tell the league my secrets and it won't matter anyway. There's nothing they can do to stop me. This is interesting to read in the context of Ethan Stresses Book Because the Warriors Are Dynasty fell apart the Celtics Dynasty. That stayed together. It was a very very eight times very different league. Fewer teams on the Celtics. Outta huge amount of star power and cohesiveness. Were not issues to deal with. As far as you know salaries and salary cap ramifications. It was easier to have a dynasty then but it was not easy to have a dynasty and a thing that you mentioned. Stephan is a thing that stood out to me is that Russell called out his contemporaries and his rivals by name. He spoke about specific strategies. He employed against Nate Thurman. You know Google okay. Fireman was still playing at this time when Russell was talking about the ways that the Celtics defended him that to me was striking jol and I don't know if that was particular to Russell or if it was more a commentary on the League at the time because these are tidbits that you're only going to get you know in a book like Ethan's written when something is is over or years later. Yeah I think for the most part that Bill Russell would he told us was generally a lot of nonsense in terms of actually psyching out players because so if Bill Russell is going up to a guy who's not even getting the ball house at psyching him out and if Wilt Chamberlain ignores it and says that's not GonNa work on me. Oh man it just goes to work. How effective is it? We're hearing Bill Russell. Basically tell tell people is not him psyching out people? He's telling people how great he is. He's as I can make people do things that they don't want to do. Of course you can your Bill Russell. Do you need to psych out Johnny Kerr Generic NBA Ford in the sixties? I mean the thing that I thought about because I generally this sort of stuff. I'm psyching up. Players doing mental tricks on people trying to get in their head like usually a great player. Say That and they're doing it in that overlooking the fact that they're great and they're able to impose their will on games no matter what they say or no matter what they would ever sort of mental games that they're playing but this is what I thought about in the context of this era like when it was even law that in places black people were not regarded as equals. Russell is asserting that he had some sort of mental advantage over his opponent like a much wider NBA then than it is today so I get why he was doing. He was saying you know what? I'm not just an athletic beast. Do that uses my mind when I'M OUT THERE. And so in that context it makes more sense. It also is fascinating in the context of fans aren't really aware of trash. Talking in one thousand nine hundred sixty five and Russell is giving what for the time had to be some really remarkable and candidate insight in to the way athletes played and what they went through nine hundred sixty five George Plumpton done a few inside books where he tried to become a player on some teams to get inside locker rooms and expose what the game was really like but the notion of this sort of confessional by a superstar that includes things like really denigrating your opposition to be pretty striking at the time. I mean the only players in this piece that Russell Praises Are Wilt Chamberlain Oscar Robertson and Elgin. Baylor three of the greatest players in the history of basketball. Everyone else to him was a nobody. And it does vary directly. Go back to what you just said. Joel there's a profile written of Russell in sports illustrated in one thousand nine hundred eighty three two years earlier by Gilbert. Rogin that I'm going to talk about in my after ball and that really lays the foundation for Russell asserting his power as a black man in American sports in the early one thousand nine hundred sixty s that he is and we'll take no bullshit from anybody a really important piece of context here is about the journalistic world that this was operating in and I think we need to note since we're talking about an old school. Sports illustrated piece that Maven the company. That's running sports illustrated now has destroyed a great journalistic institution and they deserve to be shamed and called out and what they're doing is awful. You mentioned Chris Ballard Grant Wall also getting like we could go on and on and maybe we will in the future segment about what's going on it. S I but the context here in the mid sixties as this was a time when magazine Writers A Guy from sports illustrated Bob Autumn. Did this as told to like it was a big deal to get written about by sports illustrated and to be on the cover of sports illustrated. The power dynamic is totally different. Like if this existed now it would be on the Players Tribune. Russell was at the top of the game he had led the Celtics to all these titles in a row and it wasn't just that he was doing this because he was in a particular place in his career and Joel's really great point about what is meant for him to be doing this. Those factors but it was also you know. He was on the cover of sports illustrated. It was like the NBA preview issue like autumn. Had done a similar thing with welts like a few months earlier like S. I could get the players of that day. The greatest players of that day to reveal this stuff because they wanted to be in sports illustrated and S. I also realize jol that what was happening with black athletes was important and should be written about from the perspective of a black athlete like Bill Russell. Even in this piece it's sort of hinted at in the as told to Russell tells this anecdote about his high school coach telling his all black team to not get baited into fighting. If you get mad and start a fight it isn't just a fight. It's a riot and you'll be the ones who are blamed. Russell also has the freedom to attack. John Wooden not by name but he goes after John. Wooden is in the mid nineteen sixties when Ucla was basically not losing basketball games and that is a fantastic anecdote that he you know. Russell just basically unmasks wooden and the sort of old culture of authoritarian leadership. He tells the story about how they're at this holiday tournament Madison Square Garden in one thousand nine hundred fifty five and UCLA team walks into the cafeteria and underwood's rules. They're not allowed to talk during a meal. And Russell San Francisco team walks in. And they're having a great time and they're talking like it's a big birthday party Russell rights then. Russell says the game. That followed wasn't much. The meal was one of America's great moments in sports asserting that power over this icon of a game was really a tremendous thing. I thought in I think history sort of flattened these three dimensional people over time into a caricature. Because now you look at Bill Russell. He's The statesman of the game. Very you know quiet humble champion from another era and if you look back at not only what he was saying but there's an editor's note in later issue of sports illustrated about this where the writer talks about. I had no idea if I was going to be able to get Bill Russell. Because maybe he's worked. He's working at one of his restaurants. Maybe he's tending to his house. He talks about him in the way that you would think of an NBA superstar which is something that would not have occurred to me in nineteen sixty five. That Bill Russell was very famous person. Who would not necessarily you know there was other things going on. Besides him just being champion that he that he was considered sort of out of the norm. That there wasn't this you know John. Wooden desk approach to the game. The bill Russell had his own approach. That was a little bit different and we. We wouldn't know that today you know. That's not something that we have to read a story like this to know that about him and I just I even like hearing bill. Russell say cat you know what I mean like. Oh I didn't know bill. Russell talked like that they had bill. Russell said cat I wanted to get back to what you said. Joel about a lot of the specifics and hear about how he cites out players. Maybe being in the realm of Meth or self mythology is saying There's one particular moment in here that I thought was just a really great anecdote. He says the year before I came into the NBA. Neil Johnston was third in the League in scoring and I was worried about him from the start. I wasn't worried about his shooting. Neal had a low trajectory soft little hook and I figured I could block nine out of ten of them for this created. A new problem for me if I did block them Neil would surely change his style against me and come up with something. I probably couldn't handle as easily so I took these psychological route. I would let him alone just enough to keep him puzzled block just an APP. So that he wouldn't get riled and try something new. I would keep a little mental box score and make sure the score came out in our favor or try anyway. That's a great story. John Curious if you think that it's true but what it reminded me of. I asked Ben Lindbergh about this. Is this idea of baseball player. Setting up pitchers and something that Roberto Clemente and Willie mays dead told me are reputed to do an idea as you look really bad on a pitch on purpose to get the pitcher to like groove breaking ball like you just you cite the guy out or D.C. By pretending that you're worse at a skill than you really are and Ben was saying I don't know if this is true or if it actually makes sense but it's something that's talked about and so I'm curious again. Do you think that this is true? What Russell is talking about with Neil Johnston and also just as fans I think we just like it makes. These athletes seem even more extraordinary than we know that they are. Yeah I mean I guess. It's plausible but then you have to think about. Neil Johnston as a person who was good enough to be the third leading score in the NBA. That maybe he didn't approach the game that maybe that maybe. He thought that he was doing something against Bill. Russell might work and but Bill Russell was just so much better than him that it didn't make a difference. You know what I mean. I remember watching vividly a video of Ed Reed saying that he played this one particular route all year long against this one particular route one way so that when. Peyton manning looked at it on tape he would think ed replayed it like this and in the one game that he played against pavement and he played this route differently gets interception and I was like Yeah Man. A great player probably can do something like that because they're great. I don't know if it's merely that they've set setting people up through faking them. Out Is is more just a testament to the greatness over all they can make plays the. You wouldn't think that they would be able to make because the great not because their second got another great player but I don't know I don't doubt the Bill Russell did it. I don't know that it happened in quite the way that he says it. Does that? Make sense of all the anecdotes in this piece. That felt really plausible to me. The Russell was so much better. And we really can't can't state enough. How much better Russell was than everybody? Almost everybody in the League at that time he was a dental player. Defensively I mean he never averaged more than eighteen or nineteen points a game and they didn't record blocks as a statistic yet it would be another decade or so before blocks were mid seventies. Maybe Russell told stack keepers not to record blocks just so neil. Johnston wouldn't shots. He was blocking but with a player like Russell. They do have the ability to decide when and where to do certain things where another player would block the shot. Oh my God. Russell could pick and choose and the paragraph before the Johnston Paragraph Josh. He says he's got his own little game called block that shot. I can block only from eight to ten percent of the shots taken against me. Even if I'm lucky the secret is knowing which eight or ten percent. I'm going to go after to have that. I think just emphasized how Russell's ability was so great that while all this chaos was happening on the cord around him. He was the athlete with such supreme self-confidence to understand his attic abilities to the point that he make these decisions on what to do and what not to do in order to help his performance down the road and help the team's performance. So one thing that we know that Russell wasn't being honest about is saying that he didn't want to be a coach which he says very clearly and directly. What do I have to gain from being a coach? I've got everything to lose. He became the player coach of the Celtics in sixty six the next year after this was read the Celtics Dynasty got broken. They lost that year to the sixers and the Eastern Conference finals but then they won two more championships with Russell as player coach and then he retired Jal. It's obviously hugely important that this is part of Russell story that he became the coach and that he was able. I think you can see from this piece that he has a lot to teach his fellow players and his teammates and it's completely unsurprising that he was able to be successful as a coach. We psyched us out. He said he didn't want to be. A coach. Ended up becoming a coach. So yeah I mean absolutely he had. That's the thing is that he obviously. He was in possession of a great basketball mind and that he could do things on the court or think things ahead ahead of his peers. And you know maybe. Maybe he didn't get enough credit for that but I would say that it is sort of the template for the Boston Athletes. That came after this idea that they have like this mental ability to play chess pieces and ahead ahead of the game. I don't like I didn't know that that started with Bill Russell but the obnoxiousness of the Great Boston Sports Athlete Comes through in here? He's like well. I can just move these chess pizzas around. I can make people do. What did he said something in the piece that he like? Make somebody do something that they don't want to. Oh No shit. Okay well I would love to. I would have loved to have done that in sports. But it's just not that simple Stephan. We should have folks emails at HANG UP AT SLATE DOT com if they have thoughts themselves after reading the peace and also. We're not going to give another assignment just yet because we don't have one but just split like year from folks with. They enjoyed this if they'd like us to do other magazine reading segments on the quarantine. But I think this is great. I really enjoyed looking back on this reading about Russell specifically about also just like kind of being transported to another time and place gus. He said no pussycats. Police in their language does marinating in the language pieces titled the Psych and my other tricks. It was written by Bill Russell as told to Bob Autumn of sports illustrated in one thousand nine. Sixty five post a link on the show page. If you have other suggestions for magazine stories that we might WanNa read. We're collecting them. You can email us at hang up at SLATE DOT COM or find. Joshua's twitter thread with other suggestions. Now it is time for after balls and the as told to with bill. Russell was done by Bob Atom and I think we should make more of a point of the fact that this was a piece that was written and constructed by a sports writer that you know. This was as pieces on the players. Tribune are even though they're different Those are written by someone as as well. Autumn was a very good. And well respected sportswriter. A major reason. Why the story is reads as well as as good as it is because of the style that it's written in the way that the narrative is laid out in autumn deserves obviously credit for that. He died of cancer at age. Sixty one in nineteen eighty six. In addition to being a sports writer. He wrote science fiction books. He wrote a novel called. All right. Everybody off the planet which was about aliens sending a spy earth. He wrote a book that was adapted into the comedy. Stroke or ace starring. Burt Reynolds anybody. Who writes a book that gets adapted into a Burt Reynolds? Moving obviously doing something right. Stephan what is your bottom in our conversation about the psych. I mentioned the nineteen sixty three sports illustrated profile of Russell. And it's a classic in its own right to it was titled. We are grown men. Playing a child's game it is an artful portrait of Russell as a black athlete with bigger things on his mind than another rang namely his role in America. Here's the lead Bill Russell. The Dark Ganley and responsible man who is center and Co captain of the Boston Celtics the perennial champions of the national. Basketball Association is without question. One of the most remarkable athletes of our time yet. He regards his life up to now as a waste. I don't consider anything I have done. He has said as contributing to society. I consider playing professional basketball as marking time. The most shallow thing in the world. The writer of this piece was Gilbert. Rogin was thirty three and had just had his first piece of short fiction published in the New Yorker which he would do on the side for years while also rising to become managing editor of SL. The Russell profile was mentioned in Rogan's obituary in the New York Times in two thousand seventeen and it does feel exceptional for its time. The date on the magazine is November. Eighteen thousand nine hundred sixty three four days before JFK was assassinated. But more to the point it was less than three months after. Mlk As I have a dream speech at the march on Washington for jobs and freedom and six months after bull. Connor turned firehoses on nonviolent marchers in Birmingham Alabama. Rogan story is a hallmark of the wide angled sportswriting intellect and progressivism for which sports illustrated came to be known in the nineteen sixties. Being black with still the most identifiable detail about Russell. Dark gamely and responsible in that order but rogin accepts with respect and without judgment Russell as a thoughtful iconoclast after the lead Rogan notes. That Russell is not sullying basketball in any meaningful sense but rather that the imposition of being a negro at this moment in history is an obligation that cannot be met on the floor of the Boston Garden wherein how he can fulfill it. Russell does not yet know. Rogan describes Russell as at intervals angry dissatisfied and Aloof Man of uncommon principle and is no less remarkable as a person than he is as an athlete the quotes from Russell are expansive and what emerges. I don't know if it was for the first time is Russell than twenty-nine nine as a man. Who would suffer fools angry for damn good reason? Rogin gives Russell the space to be himself. It is not easy for a white man to understand her totally accept the vision of a black man. Skin is the hardest boundary rogin. Writes the point. Is this Bill Russell or any other black man like him does not want the white man sympathy or indeed his friendship what he wants his recognition and acceptance of himself as an individual black individual. Who can meet the world on equal terms and fair unequally? According to his merit one right we never had in this country. Russell says in the piece we never had the right to be a failure or an individual. Why if one black man failed. Should all black men fail? That's what the struggle is about whether it's through love as with Martin Luther King where through pride as with the N. W. C. P. Or through hate as with Malcolm X. and Elijah Muhammad Russell and this is nine hundred and sixty three remember had no fox to give. I would've loved to go to Birmingham. He says in the piece. But I'm not passive. Sometimes I think I have tendencies violence. I've been mad enough to fight three times in my life and each time. I wanted to kill the man you know the athletes I admire Ted Williams Jackie Robinson and Sonny Liston. Those are honest people in the sense of representing themselves. Some Negro athletes. Don't show me much. I'm disappointed in them. They are politicians in the sense of saying the right things all the time. It's interesting that Russell doesn't name just black athletes. He names ones who tolerated no bullshit. But like Robinson and Mohammed Ali Russell understood that he was obligated to be clear about race. He wouldn't have the ability to say as much as he did if he weren't as good as he was. But he said more than a lot of stars who followed him in comparatively more accepting times. There's a paragraph in the story that I really loved Rogan Asks Russell about his scraggly beard which was actually goatee and how it was a telling indication of the man because few professional athletes had facial hair. Russell says that maybe it's just my own little revolution. He talks about how he shaved it off when he joined the Celtics to conform but because he chose to if I had valued their opinion I would have asked them. He says of the team. I wear it now to let people know I am an individual. I do think for myself and I'm very opinionated. Contrary to popular belief on the living thinking breathing human being. It's interesting because a decade later Ito. Kareem abdul-jabbar Lew Alcindor turned Kareem. Abdul-jabbar comes out later and he always sort of taken up the mantle of the activists basketball player and I just wonder I never. I don't know if anybody's ever asked him about this or he's ever discussed it. About how much of a role. Bill Russell played and formulating sort of his. You know his public persona and how he handled issues of racism and being a black man in a professional athlete in that America Man. That would have been great. I I don't even think I've ever seen them talk like in the same screen same space. That piece brought all that up. It'd be Kareem abdul-jabbar. For whatever reason those great it also made me realize that it was really Jim Brown and cream a little later. Who got a lot of the credit for being these outspoken athletes at the front of the Civil Rights Movement at the front of politics in the mid to late sixty s and Russell here in nine hundred sixty three saying all? This stuff is fascinating to me. Absolutely this makes me want to read this bill. Russell have biography an autobiography because there is. I want to read it now Josh. What's Your Bob? Autumn so at a slate virtual happy hour a little while ago our colleague. Dan Quayle introduced a game to all of us. Which has that you get a celebrity based on ten clues the clues start out hard and they get easier. There's no googling obviously and you only get one gas if you guess wrong you Liz. It's a fun game To do if you're on one of these many interminable Zoom meetings have all been thrust into our lives. Now I mean it's fun to do with a lot of people but we're going to do it on a podcast and see how it goes To give credit here. Dan told me that he got The idea for this from a guy named Bill McMenamin who does a Trivia fundraiser. The Dan goes to a Catholic church in DC ands go. Mcmanamon is also doing free online trivia through the pandemic on facebook live. So if you want to check that out it's called. Mcm Entertainments Family Trivia night will link to it in our show notes. And so here's what we're GONNA DO JAWLINE staff N. When you know the answer on slack just send me a direct message. Don't put it in our shared channel. Because we don't want. Stephanou no Joel answer and vice versa. But just as soon as you know it and you want to lock in your answer to send me a direct message And for all the folks out there email me first name dot last name at slate dot com. You Know My name while your answers are and win. You figured out what the answers were on. What what clue you got it fun and all sends a couple folks who send in that. Email a paperback copy of the Queen autographed. So don't email in your answers if you don't WANNA book I don't WanNa hear from you. I want something else because I have a both a hard copy in paperback version of your book. So I'm GonNa need something else happened. We'LL TALK. We'll talk offline Joel. Send me an email with your with your answers and we'll do something all right. Joel Stephan you guys ready clue number one and I'm going to do to the clue number one he was born in Newark. New Jersey clue number two. He is on the board of directors of Papa. John's number three in real life. He earned a doctorate from Barry University in his first major film role he played a character who got a five twenty on the sat's after spelling his own name incorrectly. We have a correct answer from Dole Anderson number four in the video game featuring likeness has character goes to another dimension to rescue a boy from an evil mummy. The magazine Intendo power ranked at the third worst game of all time clue number five. He wants help out his rap grip by reciting a classic bugs. Bunny line the song that featured that sample made the top forty we have a an incorrect answer locked in from staff and fats us so Stephan. Liz I'm going to give you the rest of the class and we can't reveal the correct answer because we want people out an audience to know it all you all. It might help you to know the jaw garden and Stephan Dina number six. He told Larry David that his favourite seinfeld episode is the contest number seven when his future college coach Madam for the first time that coach asked what rancor you soldier? He responded no rank. I'm thirteen years. Old Number eight the year he was born nineteen seventy-two his first name appeared in zero stories and major newspapers. Thanks to his popularity in the early nineties. That name would become one of the two hundred most popular for American boys number nine. He dunked so hard that he broke the entire backboard apparatus and two separate NBA Games in the same season. Stephan got by this point a number ten the last clip in his speech at Kobe. Bryant's memorial. He said even when folks thought we were on bad terms when the cameras were turned off he and I would throw wink at each other and say let's go. Whoops amass all right. That's your first CELEB- Stephan. It's a brand new ballgame here we're going to do a second one. I'm coming back time for a comeback. All right you guys ready number one. A sports columnist once described him as a source of perpetual wonderment. Much like a force of nature so extraordinary we stand in awe even as we say. There's no way that could happen. He then compared this person to to other inexplicable phenomena a rainbow and Dolly Parton a rainbow and Dahlie number two Martina Navratilova played a major role in the most important moment of this person sports career number three in College. He ran a four. Three forty yard dash four three forty yard dash number four the faster than Joel. It is this four nine. This is not Joel Anderson That's that's the one that's number four in Ebony magazine profile. He said that he listened to rap music before games because it gets the adrenaline flowing. But that he actually preferred Mellow Music Jazz Grover Washington's and Ronnie losses and I listened to Peabo Bryson a lot. Peabo Bryson. I forgot to just selectively. Repeat random stuff from my first round of Quiz Peabo. Bryson all right number five. He got his nickname because he was a balled baby. Bald CL- number six. We have no guesses and from either Joel or Stephan. Clint number six. The first national newspaper story written about him said he'd grown five inches since last basketball season. And it's made him into a star clue number seven. Shevardnadze career high sixteen points per game in the one thousand nine hundred one thousand nine hundred NBA season with the Sacramento. Kings clue number eight. Still no guesses his sophomore year in college. We have an incorrect gas from Stephan over to for from Stephan today Number eight one three his sophomore year in college he had approximately forty dunks and two goldens. His coach said I've already told one of the globetrotters about him. Clue number nine. Stephan got after getting wrong first time so this doesn't can underestimate that. I guess unofficial. I'm regretting that. I guess clue number nine since he played in the NBA. There have been only two guys in the league shorter than him. I'm giving a second because he's typing wrong. Answer from all our final clip number ten. He beat his teammate. Dominique Wilkins in the nineteen eighty-six slam dunk contest. Awesome SOME PEOPLE. Some people believe for you. Some people believe the Dominique was robbed. But he really wasn't all right. Those are are tens. I don't know Dan. Dan Quayle told me. There's no name for this. How do you guys like this format like me and I can't believe I can't talk about it? I'm very frustrated. Well we'll talk about this. We'll talk about this off the air but Maybe we'll do other ones in the future. Maybe we can solicit some from listeners. May we can get one from From jaw or from From Stan And Yeah there it is a I will. I will say it's really fun to do in a live setting with a bunch of people on them. It's a it's a good game. I endorse that is our show for today. Producer is Melissa Kaplan. 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MJ honors Kobe, Tatum erupts, Simmons' back woes

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MJ honors Kobe, Tatum erupts, Simmons' back woes

"Three two one. What's up open for glow this Bengal with The Washington Post? I am joined on the other line as always by Michael Pena of espy nation. Now Michael I don't talk about my college existence too often on this show but I do think it's relevant here now. I actually went to college for writing. Creative writing Not Journalism so I wasn't learning how to interview anyone. I wasn't learning about ethics and all of that I was learning basically. Let's sit in a room. You write something I write something. Let's handed around. Let's dissect every single word to the anth- degree so we've got some girl going home for Thanksgiving having a bad interaction with their aunt. She writes a two hundred word rant about it and then we've got to go through word by word and say. Oh that worked. That didn't wow. Your aunt sounds terrible. That's all I talk about your family on and on and on. I bring this up because I was having flashbacks while I watched Michael Jordan's incredible tribute to Kobe. Bryant at the memorial on Monday it was a type of day where I really did want to dive in and go almost word by word to see the the point of what he was trying to get across to see his big picture vision for how he wanted to remember. Kobe. Bryant to describe and personal detail their relationship in ways that we had just never heard before and it really brought me back to those writing. Seminars rooms where okay. Maybe it's not just the other kids in the class. But like you're you're breaking down the all time greats You know whether it's like Yates or or frost. Whoever and we're going you know word by word stands by stands at trying to figure out what they were doing. And I don't know Michael maybe I sound like a crazy person or a lunatic right now but when you were watching Jordan did you have that same mentality like where you savoring every little bit because first of all we never really see him and second of all we definitely never see him that vulnerable and that Willing to defer credit. I mean is it a completely different? Look from him then we usually get. Yeah right off the top. I mean you sound totally deranged burning men. No I mean my initial reaction I don't know about you was just. I was stunned like I. I was incredibly surprised that honestly he was even in attendance. And you know that's just kind of speaks to his mythical aura. And it's not that he would be disrespectful or anything like that but he just doesn't show up he doesn't speak. He doesn't make public appearances. Like the the number one thing that we really think about when we think about Michael Jordan. Post retirement is the hall of Fame Speech. And just how vindictive he was in it. And it's kind of a bummer. When you think about that speech in its totality so as he I mean when his name was announced I was. I knew it was there. Because they showed him and he helped ness off the stage which I thought was very touching after her speech which was incredible and one of the strongest things. I've ever seen a human being do But when his name was called like I was speechless I never a million years would have expected him to speak let alone cut open vein emotes so honestly about a relationship that I mean I never even knew a realized that it was that meaningful to him or even that it was that deep. Did you even you even aware that they were that closer that they had that type of relationship? Of course not and you. You're making so many great points. Let me just follow up real quick first of all. I actually loved the hall of fame. Speech I'm zagging on that one. Okay because it was. It was pure bike. It was exactly who we understood him to be at that stage of his career and I don't think he had processed fully the idea that he couldn't play anymore at that point right so I do think that there was like just some bitterness desire to be on the court to the ultimate competitor. What you do with your life I mean. I think that some of those things were coming through in that speech where you know. He's kind of at a crossroads and I do think that like at least that speech was honest right. Sure he's like going after high school coaches and all this other stuff but he gave you exactly who he was. You had an appreciation for what made him the player. He was By just his entire approach which most normal people you know most everyday citizens just could absolutely not relate to now in terms of the Vanessa thing him helping her off the stage. It seemed like the perfect move for him to be a part of the ceremony without having to give a speech because if he's there but not talking everyone's going to make a big deal about that right having him help her was like the perfect excuse for him not to have to do it. But then as you're mentioning. He gets his name call. He's going up there and he's struggling right off the bat you can tell. He's nervous he. He's worried about being able to keep his composure. In it's like here's this guy. Throughout his entire career always meeting the moment always living up to the pressure. Whether it's the shrug. The last shot the shot at North Carolina time and time again. He was ready for whatever the stage was. The spotlight could not be too bright and here at the very beginning. It seemed like it was. He's he starts off by saying I say good morning but it's afternoon and that's the type of thing Michael that you and I would say at a wedding speech if we didn't prepare anything right. It's like oops oops my mouth is just going and I didn't know the words coming out and it was so funny because you know Mike. We've always seen as kind of composed as regal as withdrawn Sort of in his retirement like you've describing never showing his emotions and here. He was like helpless. He was at their mercy right out of the gate and so that was fascinating. But your other point about Well we're surprised that he would even do this. Look I'm his biggest? Dan and I assume that he would just duck this one right because it is such a difficult and unprecedented moment. There's nothing but downside in theory to doing it. You know if you don't come off well if you do come off like your hall of fame speech If you don't strike the right notes the family is there. Millions of people are watching. Millions of people are watching an grieving. The entire basketball community is there. The pressure is absolutely no Joe and for Michael to kind of pick himself up after after that initial stumble and go to the places he went. It was insane. I finished watching that speech and no lie. I texted like half the people. My Phone Dallas. His seventh ring honestly was up there with some of his greatest basketball accomplishments. And I say that much like I had said something similarly about Shaquille O'Neal last month. I mean remember when he was on TNT and he made such a point to bury the hatchet with Kobe. Bryant to make sure that that kind of a story line would not overshadow the rest of Ryan's life. I thought it was so big and so smart and just so kind of shock to do that in that moment and it stood in contrast to his reputation as this guy who's kind of goofy and maybe immature at times and you know certainly had his own wars with Kobe Bryant but Michael was a very similar transformation. Here's a guy who never wants to show. His soul never wants to appear. Vulnerable has punched teammates and has held a grudge against his high school coach for thirty years because he didn't make varsity when he wanted to make. Varsity. Here's this guy describing his love for Kobe Bryant and describing in very clear details how Kobe Bryant pushed him to be better right. All of that was absolutely stunning. And I was just sitting there with my jaw dropped. No I mean I'll pick up right where you left off. Which was Jordan talking about how Kobe pushed him? And how inspired him to be a better father about? Michael Jordan is basically as you alluded to. He's the Michael Jordan of holding grudges and here here. He is talking about how important it is to live in the moment. It's like this. Is someone who. He's he's great in part because he lives in the past he holds onto things. The Guy who's telling still chip on his show to live in the moment is the same guy who still mad about the laney high school varsity cut list from like nineteen seventy seven or something like that exactly. Yeah so so things like that really stuck out to me and honestly they change how I will forever view Michael Jordan going forward and I just thought I just also want to say something. I thought was very beautiful. Was the constant little brother Sip symbolism that that he he cited constantly throughout the speech and I thought it was a perfect way to kind of put his career and Kobe's career and properly put perspective on their legacies and it kind of felt like like a post humorous knitting of some kind whereas like this is my little Brian. The Best Player of all time. Everyone kind of agrees on upon that this was a mayor apparent. This was my apprentice and absolutely one hundred percent and on that I wrote a call about the validation aspect of speed. You guys can read it on the Washington Post please do. I'm actually. I don't usually plug the stories that I write. I was proud of this one and I think that it's going to be this. Moment is going to be held up for years and decades. And there's so many emotions coming out of that memorial that it make it difficult to understand what's really going to have a lasting moment here but what Jordan said about Kobe. The little brother stuff specifically is going to stand the test of time and Michael. I think the way he got into it not to go back to the writer's workshop analogy but when he says you know Koby is like a nuisance like a little brother going through your closet. You know trying to get your clothes. Everyone can relate to that right like my little brothers. They used to always order the same food as me when we would go to the restaurant. Right you know just all those little things it's so personal it's not Georgia being the Superhero version of Jordan or like the idol that Bryant worshipped when he was growing up is just Jordan being a human like the rest of us and then the line where he says you know Kobe. Being a nuisance that nuisance turned into love. I don't know who wrote that. I'm GonNa just pretend it was Jordan. But that is brilliant. And this is what I mean we could dissect these words word by word because it's just so tight and frankly genius I mean the the descriptions of the three. Am phone calls? Were Kobe's asking him for advice about virtually everything about his approach about his technique when Kobe saying what should I be doing with Jonah? Michael Says Well. How old is she? She's twelve Michael. Saying look at that age. I still wanted to play baseball. You know I mean it just kind of again I I. It's these two ultra competitive guys who were pitted against each other for decades now sort of revealing that they were actually in the two-man club where they just like to you know send out. Lol's back and forth over text messages in the middle of the night. Because that's what they do. It was amazing and the other line that I do think we should highlight here as describing this is Jordan. Starting the whole thing off by saying look. Everybody wants to talk about the comparisons between Kobe. And I I just WANNA talk about Kobe. And when he said that it was amazing because throughout his entire career. The ball is always in Michael. Sands right if we talk about Michael and Scotty. It's Never Scotty and Michael Michael Scottie and for for Jordan to realize that this was a moment where he needed to be stepping back where he needed to keep all the focus on Kobe and he needed to talk about how koby made his life better. It just hit the notes perfectly. I'll be on us. I was nervous. I didn't know he was up to this but was he got to that line. I was like okay. This is this is I. I had a deep sigh of relief. I was like all right. We're going the right direction now. One of my other favorite parts was just like the essence of how touched Jordan was by the fact that Koby was so inspired and so driven to be better than Michael Jordan that Kobe would have the humility to reach out and constantly pick his brain for advice. Like that clearly. Touched a nerve for Michael Jordan and you know I thought the most powerful lion that was read when he said that when Kobe died a part of me died like that that was just. That's the essence of that encapsulates. How I think a lot of people have felt over the past month or so. I loved the stories like the Phil Jackson. Story where he comes in ninety nine. Kobe first thing he says is. Did you bring your shoes? It's just like that was incredible. And I think we also need to quickly mention the Crying Jordan me joke which was so perfect and added levity to a very serious situation and The fact that Jordan could laugh at himself like that in public with millions of people watching. It's just one of the reasons why it will. I'll just never ever ever forget it. Let me go back on that one because I do want to. Underline your point about how a piece of Jordan data and he's admitting that onstage as he's crying as tears are just flowing down his cheeks. Right let me just contrast that openness and vulnerability to what Jordan said when. Kobe passed him on the all time scoring list and remember. Dorks like me every time. Kobe or Lebron. Threaten one of Jordan's marks dorks like me. Send the emails and do the phone calls to Este Portnoy. Who's been his longtime assistant. And it's like I guess Sti should say Apologies there. Sd We need a statement from Georgia St Jordan. WanNa talk about this in. Every single time comes back. No no no. We'll put out a press release and that's all you're GONNA get right years and years of this when Kobe Pass Jordan in two thousand fourteen on the scoring list. He wrote a press release as if he was trying to sound as monotone as possible. He described Brian as quote a great player with a strong work ethic and an equally strong passion for the game of basketball. Like you contrast that with a piece of me is God because Kobe's dead right and it's night and day and that's why it goes back to this idea of who could have ever seen the speech coming from Jordan. He's been hiding it. He's been working as hard as possible to it for years and years and years and I really do think when we look back at All Star. Weekends and Charlotte. He's nowhere to be Seen Chicago. Nowhere to be seen. If there was two years where he should be kind of front and center those were the two years and I think part of him is trying to shrink his shadow a little bit. I think he realizes every time he talks about these guys every time he put something out there. It winds up overshadowing what they're doing it winds up changing the whole conversation winds up taking these debates about Mike versus Kobe. Migra says Lebron Kinda toxic places. And I think that he is like I've got two billion dollars. I've got a basketball team. I've got a sneaker company that prints money I've got six rings in two Olympic gold medals. Like why do I need any of that? I don't need a standing ovation. I'm good and I understand that perspective and I actually kind of appreciate the fact that he has been removed at times even though I would love to have him on instagram every single day so we could follow him but I think that his scarcity is what made this speech so great because this is a guy who never gives out the compliments who gives out these bland press releases and now he's just saying okay Kobe. You know what you earned it all those years of questions of asking me about things all those late all those battles in the all star games all those years of you chasing me on the championship list and on the all time scoring list. You earned it here. I'm coming and I'm getting you back And I'm paying you back for all those memories and those experiences and I thought it was phenomenal and I think if you're Kobe I mean it's the ultimate ultimate mentor. Manatee relationship and secretly. And maybe even not so secretly every professional who looks up to another professional could be any walk of life. It doesn't matter. Writer could structure work or whatever everyone would love to have that moment publicly where the person. Dave idolized for years and decades. The person that has they've chased that's inspired them that they've been obsessed with tells the entire world. You know what this guy pushed me to become better this guy? I love this guy. If not for this guy I wouldn't be Viewing the world the same way. And that's where the validation park comes in because Jordan really basically made it clear to all of us that he had finally met his match. You know I mean this is a guy who has never give an inch and the goat debate and he comes out and says. This is what Kobe Bryant does to me. He knows how to get you in a way that affects you personally. Even if he's being a pain in the butt right he's saying Look Colby is in my head. I'm the most single-minded competitor the NBA has ever seen and Kobe. Got To me and I respect for what what better compliment from. What better source could Kobe? Bryant have ever dreamed up there is none. I mean that's that's why it was so beautiful and just to kind of circle back to something you said earlier and it's pretty trivial bringing it up in this context but last year. Lebron on one of his shows I don't even know where he said. He said he called himself the best player ever because any explain why he believes he's the best player ever and I expected some kind of response from Jordan. Because he did. I don't I don't think he released a statement but I remember reading a quote of his and he just didn't take the bait at all about it and he took the high road and I thought that was pretty uncharacteristic but it might just be a sign of his aging or whatever. I don't even know but I also have a question for you real quick so Jordan does that because he thinks it's him and there's no debate right and I think that if we get him truth serum he like Libra Zahn even this conversation. It's mean Kobe. That's how eve use it. Because there's been previous moments where he was asked to kind of compare the two of them and he always would pick Hobie over Lebron even like deep into Kobe's Decline now not into his injury decline But that's a good example. Actually Lebron you know in my mind. Kinda SPEAKING OUT OF TURN HERE. You know telling everybody. Hey this is how. It's going to be trying to push his narrative and Michael feeling like I don't need a narrative My Body of work speaks for itself. Well Yeah if you are the best. You can't call yourself the best. That's just not how work it's like giving yourself nickname those things just don't work I. It's invalid if you're the one doing it but let me let me ask you a quick question Ben. How much would you pay to read the transcripts of all the correspondence over the years that Kobe Michael Jordan had? I mean that should be a book it would be average insane. I mean when he was kind of an actually it seems like Koby might have been a hall of fame texture to like. Every single person had the text message store. I mean Rob Pelinka's text message story from the helicopter. I mean that was a huge bag. Await on everybody's chest here on that one but sounds like he was just a phenomenal texture. And I don't know maybe that could be like a project for his foundation to just kind of like go through and I mean I guess maybe there's invasion of privacy issues or or not but You know find the best conversations because I'm sure he's talking to all sorts of different people like if you're the head of apple and Kobe techs you texting right back. You know what I mean if you're Michael Jordan hundred percent. Kobe texts you like you're texting back like pretty instantly. That could be a great book. That's that's an awesome idea. Actually yeah I I was just thinking about it when I just didn't have any idea and I could just be ignorant but I had no idea that they communicated as often as they did that they were as close that they whereas deeply connect they're connected through like media narratives in lake. But that's in my head that's how it's always been but it's all just still something that. I'm trying to like come to terms with US trying to reshape how I think about Michael Jordan but it was just so it's just such a powerful speech powerful day for sure and it also reminded me a little bit of Wind Lebron after the game against the blazers where he had given the speech pre-game and he opened up to the media post game and it's really his most extended and kind of heartfelt commentary about Kobe where he was saying you know essentially a similar message of seize the day hug the people around you tomorrow is not promised like you know that kind of a message coming from Lebron and it was very clear that these guys who had also been pitted against each other really shared a lot in common and I think that what we've come to realize and this was a point That doc rivers made last night is just that. Kobe's death has brought the NBA community together and lots of ways that nobody really expected. I mean look at the incredible list of players and figures. Who were at that Memorial Day from Adam Silver Michael Jordan Bill Russell cream of diligent bar Magic Johnson. I mean the list goes on Jerry. West Elgin Baylor. The list goes on and on and on and I think that what we've also seen that it's brought those a-list Alpha type guys together to or at least it's change how we perceive them because they're always pitted against each other in public and what we came to find out was. Lebron could really relate to Kobe. A lot of the stuff he was going through the spoke the same language fame entertainment Being TRYING TO BE THE KING OF LA. You know all that stuff. They saw eye-to-eye Fatherhood raising daughters again. Same deal and then we saw that magnified even more Between Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. You know same thing where their similarities behind the scenes just far outweighed the differences that that you know media and observers and fans have tried to construct a over years and years of arguments and and back and forth about. Who's better or any of those kinds of things and that's a key takeaway from this whole thing. You know I really do. Think that You know we can view all of these major players Jordan. Kobe and Lebron in a different light Because of this unfortunate tragedy. Hey guys what's up? This is Ben Golfer with a message for mattress firm. The only thing better than washing your team win is a perfect nap and matches firms President's Day sale. That's you get a king mattress for a queen price or queen matches for twin price for savings of up to six hundred dollars and you can take home a free adjustable base with a qualifying purchase. But you have to hurry. The clock is ticking on this sale. It's ending soon. Is it time you saved and slept like a champion shop now? Mattressfirm firm DOT COM matches firm DOT com for the president's Day Sale. Hey Michael we got a question from Aaron here on a similar subject and I think it was prompted most likely by You know the grates that we've seen here on center stage recently and he writes. I'm a longtime listener. But first time emailer. I frequently listened to your podcast while I workout or I'm driving long distances. Aaron Great Job. We love those Those methods of listening he continues. I've had this idea for a long time but I've never had the opportunity to share it with anyone with the recent hall of fame. Nominees being announced now is the perfect time to get your perspective. It's too easy to get into the hall of fame. I believe the hall of fame should be reserved for players who are going to be remembered for decades to come. It's not too late to go back. I want to propose an idea for the of legends. This hall would be reserved for players. Who have changed the game and inspire players players who will never be forgotten by the amateur fan. The obvious players who would make the list right now would be Michael Jordan. Karl Malone Larry Bird Oscar Robertson Kareem abdul-jabbar etc. But guys like Mitch Richmond Nate Thurman and so forth. They might make the hall of fame but they wouldn't be in the hall of legends then asked US Michael who makes your hall of legends. And what's your cut off point for players who make it and not make it and which current players do you think. We'll make the hall of Legends. So these are great questions big philosophical questions and and Michael. We should know Kobe. Bryant will be or has been selected as a finalist for this year's hall of fame class. And so he will be inducted later this summer once they make it official in April into the actual hall of fame. But is that enough? Aaron wants to know. Should there be an even more exclusive club. I mean then we could go. You and I like five hours on this question on. This is such a great question It stopped me in my tracks when I first read it because I had give it the respect it deserved and so you know instead of kind of coming through all the absurdly intricate reasons who who who I would include On my hall of in My Hall of legends and why I would do it I have a rule and so to be in my hall of legends. You have to have been one of the three best players in the world for at least three seasons at any point in your career. So that's like the bar right there. It does that. Does that that pretty much. Make Sense Right. You have not lost. It is not the most complicated real Michael. I'm with you. I liked this rule. Your wedding my appetite. Police continue. Okay so I mean. It's obviously inherently subjective and to get the players that I got in my hall of Legends. I come through basketball referenced this morning and I looked mostly at MVP award shares and all NBA teams and just other imperfect stats. That would help. Guide me through to get to the twenty four names that I have So do you want to start with the names or should we start with my toughest omissions? Let's let's start with your name. Look if they're getting snubbed. Let's just leave him out of Michael All right. Let's let let me know who's in the club Based on Michael Pianos You know all time rankings. Okay so there's twenty four names here or is this a Kobe did you do. I did not actually backed into serendipitous. Yeah Michael Jordan Larry Bird Magic Johnson. Bill Russell Bob cousy. Rei Stop Right there. Stop right there come out. I think the first four good Bob. Cousy come on man come dude. It's this is legend. But it says you gotta respect the legends played. Keep going okay. Cousy Bob headed Jerry West. Elgin Baylor George Mike in. Tim Duncan Shack Kobe. David Robinson Oscar Robertson Kareem abdul-jabbar Will Chamberlain Moses Malone. Carl Malone Akeem Olajuwon Lebron K. D. K. G. Dirk and Steph Curry. It's a very very very good list Can you tell me your favorite Bob Pettit Memory? I'm using I'm I'm picking that one out because I'm wondering if you're still being a little bit to tap to my rule were tied to the rule but also just generous right because if we're if if the idea of the hall of legends from Aaron is that we're just trying to say the people who really really resonate. There's probably five names. They're and they're all you know guys from the fifties sixties and seventies where they've hung on mostly because they've been honored and various other ways right but do they have a direct connection with future generations and or even the current generation and that's a really tricky question to to answer. I mean I go back to this idea of like. What's the current generations connection to Jordan and it sneakers? It's not you know it's sneakers and Youtube. It's not anything that he did on the court and it's only GonNa get worse and so if you're saying okay. Here's a guy in Imbaba headed who didn't have the opportunity to play like on national TV. Who doesn't have you know Endless reels on youtube who doesn't have dunk contest highlights for people to relate to really has no entry point for the casual fan. If we're really China make this thing the hall of legends. Do we have to cut out the bobbehead? It's of the world. Do we have to trim your list from twenty four down to maybe like. I Dunno fifteen. What do you think I mean? It's like in my opinion. It's a little disrespectful to like history. And the greats who dominated their contemporaries. That's like that I mean all they do is just destroy everyone in his path. I mean come on okay so first of all. Let's reframe this. It's not disrespectful to keep hall of famers in the Hall of fame. Okay like there's still the hall of fame that's the greatest sign of respect that we could show them. We're actually building a second hall of fame specifically for the guys who feel like we really need to anoint to an even higher level. You know I think my other takeaway here is on the current players. I think for sure Lebron gets in. I think steph curry actually has locked up his spot because of how much he altered the way the game was played. Like you can't tell the story of the NBA without Steph curry here over the last ten years so he has to be in but Kevin Durant is actually a really interesting case study. I'm not and look as you know. I'm his most vocal defenders his. I know if he retired today. You're sure he's getting in or are we giving him another five years to accumulate stats into maybe you know compete for another title and everything else. I mean based solely on his current run down. I mean we're looking at what two titles to finals. Mvp's and regular season MVP four scoring titles. I understand it's hall of fame worthy. Its first ballot hall of Fame Worthy. Are we seeing for sure? Hall of Legends. Was Really Interesting. Putting together. This list was that I did not want like the whole point of it is to not have any debate so if we're going to debate k. d. then he's just got to come off even though. I do think as opposed to Bob Pettit. Who's just cement? But I do think like Bob headed idea. Let's see one. Bob Highlight that we could just both just recall from memory of no. I just think that like with the current guys. It's really tricky. And I think that's what Aaron was trying to get out right. It's like okay. Who is made it for sure at this point of their career. And did you leave off debate? I DID LEAVE OFF D. Wade. I left off Scottie Pippen. I left off Charles. Barkley I left off Allen. Iverson who in terms of resume was really interesting. Just because like like he was super influential. And everything like that. But we don't even want to get into a whole Alan. Iverson thing but I just think he wouldn't be in the hall of legends for what He accomplished on the court Well let's let's put it this way if the players had any say Alan Iverson would be did you have malone in Stockton out. Did I hear that right? Yes okay well. We're not building this hall. Okay sorry you. You have not been approved. The funding to build the hall of Legends Stock Needs To be in Malone's questionable to me. I understand the point. Total thing everyone's GonNa save throw him in Malone wasn't even the best player on his own team for three straight years. Michael let alone a top three player in the NBA for that long. Come on to. Mvp's I mean. I know one of them was very suspect. But okay I'm like I'm not really going to die on the hill. That is Carl Malone. That's that's been said by every analyst throughout history. I don't think anyone ever call any of these debates We're a little scattered rain here with these different ideas. But are you pretty locked in to this notion so if you do like twenty four dad's basically what like four or five guys from every era? Is that one way we could break down where you know maybe pop Bob. Pettit doesn't look so weird By contrast if you're just saying like look every decade gets maybe next to George Meighan right every decade gets five guys right and then you know that's sort of how you do it could that be Another way to to finesse this thing. Yeah I mean by my super specific criteria. There can only be so many players. I mean like when you are the best player in the world. You usually don't like relinquish that title for quite a quite a while. So that's what made it so restricting and I thought was a good way to dial down and figure out who exactly are the the the actual lead legends. So I just real quick. Can we talk about current players? Yeah for sure would potentially crack this list. I don't have a long list of names here. I think I think James Harden could but I don't think that if he retired today he would be in there by any stretch primarily. Yeah feel I know how you feel? I like Martin. He's just not there yet. Everything I said about. Katie is just amplified for harden but continue right so then I only really have two other names and Zaylon. Jaanus is one of them. It's not that if you retired today. He would be in there but he's certainly on a trajectory here. He's about to in a second. Ep and his team is going to potentially win seventy games in the NBA championship. So Yanez there and then the next one is just Leonard who I have a soft spot for and two I think will continue to add on the ridiculousness that he is When he is healthy if he if he is able to stay healthy for the next five or so years I think. It'll be a foolproof foolproof resume. No it's a good one. And he's a guy who a lot of people would forget and he would be deserving if he continues kind of accumulating like he has these last couple of years in terms of awards and trophies. And all that you know I think that The younger guys who have a shot I would say lukens ion are both like on our trajectory. Watch you know ten years from now. They've got a chance I think Janas certainly has a chance but rather than this hall of Legends Idea. You know I'm almost wondering you know how they have all those statues and monuments in DC. I I just got back from DC. Last week I'm a big statue. Sky Just period. I'm wondering if rather than like a hall of legends. If even your criteria is just being too generous because let's be honest. How many guys are going to go to? Springfield and then pay extra on the ticket price for the hall of legends. To Go. See Bob. Pettit is not happening. Michael Casual people aren't doing. I'm fixating on him. But there's other guys on that list they just don't have that magnetic quality right but by contrast like at staples that magic stat. You has a lot of people take pictures around it all the time right or DC twenty four seven three sixty five people go to take photos with Abe Lincoln right. I mean that's just the thing that you do and he's sitting there watching over us. I'm wondering if we could actually make sort of like a gallery of statues for just the absolute cream of the crop. Like I'm saying top eight players may be of all time Jordan. Statue would probably be twice as big as everyone else's in my own personal preference but it's like Jordan Magic Bird Russell. I think Kobe would qualify for a statue And and then we just have this like viewing gallery. Where rather than like a whole separate hall? Where it's you know they're being honored Twice in the same place. It's actually a place where you can kind of. Just let go and pay your respects and look up at these giant granite versions of players. Who you would actually fly three thousand miles to go see could we? Maybe tweak errands idea that way. I have no problem with that. That's pretty cool. I think someone would get super pissed off That they were not included in a fan base would get aggrieved. But that's fine. Well build your own statue outside your arena. Okay this is the hall of legends. We're going to only give it out to the very best of the Best Jerry. West probably deserves to be in that Combo. Okay let me go go back through your list. Michael with the names and we'll say if they deserve a granite statue or not. This'll be fun okay. So Michael Bird Magic Russell. All Yes oh yes. Oh Yes bob cousy. Sorry not not this time. Sorry Bob Incredible player. I'm not trying to diminish him by the way but I think you already got the President Presidential Medal of freedom. Right and he's good. He's been taken care of he's punching above. Its weight already continue. Yeah we don't need to craft a marble statue of Bob. Cousy bending over staring at the ball is scribbling Bob Pettit now. Of course you've already okay no Next Jerry West who you just mentioned as a possibility yes. I think he's got is the logo and yeah I it. Also just the long term nature of his career For sure okay. So the next two. I think are probably going to be out based on everything that you've said so far but Elgin Baylor and George Mike and I might go no on Baylor. Yes on Mike and Mike in gets the forefather The forefather love. If there's any player that people remember from the fifties it's Mike and Right. Yeah and you both wear glasses. So I see what's going on here. Roy gangly towering over those in our daily life. Let's give it to Mike. And just because we know he got twenty five straight years of how. How's the weather up there? Jokes Poor Guy. He gets it By default he's in okay so we're up to five next to. I personally think are both in but Tim Duncan and Shaquille. O'neal wow great great debates here I would have both. I would have both in I mean Dunkin for Shag I would actually think twice about but I think I'd still put him. Yeah there's going to be a lot of big men which always complicates the historical arguments but Jack is just so frigging dominant. And it's like he's gotTa be here. Next Week Koby. I think we both in agreeance that Kobe would be there. Kobes in Kobe's in So the next one was a little personal for me and I picked David Robinson and I don't think he would get a statue because growing up. He was my favorite player. He would. It would make me cry every time I watched him face off against Akeem Olajuwon in the playoffs. So that's kind of like the standout memory. I Have David Robinson. I know he did a lot of really great things in his career was shorter than it should have been. But what are your thoughts about the Admiral? I think he's one of the most underrated players in NBA history. I'm glad that you mentioned him. I you're definitely a bigger David Robinson. Fan Than I was which is good but. I consider myself one of his fans he just is so easy to forget because Akeem kind of overshadowed him from that era in shock Kinda came along and Swagger Jackson and then Tim Duncan I mean just. It was like all right. Well cool cool comparison. You know it's like Marcia Marcia did it again. Marcia Marcia Marcia when you're dealing with Tim Duncan and David Robinson but he's not getting a statue but he deserves to be in the hall of legends. If we're doing the errands version of this. He's an Alzheimer for me. Next up we have three old-timers Oscar Robertson Kareem and will chamberlain. I think they're all they all have to be in. In my opinion I think all three are in. Yes for sure. Then we have them alone. Brothers Moses and Carl Nardi harmless definitely out girls out for sure. I didn't Moses can be out to honestly like I think he brought into this a lot because of the high volume rebounding numbers and there was a very dominant stretch from him in terms of impact on the game. Legacy those kinds of questions. I just think he's short on that stuff so I would like. He's he's when we're talking about underrated. Alzheimer's Moses Malone is just like top of the list for me I think he's like a forgotten Alzheimer but I wouldn't call him underrated like I think it was good that we forgot about him there enough next we have. Akeem. Akeem is in for me. That might be more of a heart pig rather than ahead pick but man talk about. He would have been like if we were doing this. Podcast in the nineteen nineties. It would just be like Hakeem Inc like we would have just been just everything that we say over the top about. Janas would have been Akeem maybe times too because like who is the comparison point for a team in the nineteen nineties. You know what I mean. Also Kim just as a one hundred percent approval rating like no one is saying anything bad about came. Alive Sean. That's just not going to happen so I think he belongs in as well and then just close it up. Hold on one second. Can you imagine the accumulation? Unlike big man camp being open to writers like us like if we could go and study under. Akeem? 'cause you hear all these stories about how he's like mentoring all these young guys with the footwork. And all of this data the dream feature like Keam teach me the dream. Shake over a seventy two hour period with like Washington Post video crews in tow That would be great anyway. Continue now I one hundred percent agree. Now we're getting kind of this. The last five will close out on and they're mostly or they're all really contemporary in their own ways. We Have Lebron K. D. K. G. Dirk and Steph. I'm going Lebron for sure. I'm saying Katie. Hasn't earned the statue yet. I'm saying Steph has earned the statue. I think I'm leaving K. G. off which I know is not going to be what you WanNa hear and about to throw my laptop and then and then dirk is dirk might be the toughest call of all. I think I might leave. Dirk off too man this is. That's tricky. It's much harder with the more recent guys for sure. But let's say even we we brought in a couple of those guys to we got that list down to like fifteen or eighteen right. Yeah I'm nine. Yeah about their. We cut cut off some fat for sure. Well so that's good. Then we can go ahead and start to go fund me page the kickstarter for all these statues. I think that's a reasonable number. Hopefully the open floor globe can chime in and You know help us with the donations guys. I'm sure that you have many differences of opinion with Michael and I about who deserves a staff who should be in the hall of fame who should be in the hall of legends? Email them to us. Open floor male edgy. Mill dot com open floor mail at Jimbo DOT COM. Now Michael. You've been whining and we need to shift gears here because you have been whining on the text messages to me for about two weeks straight. Can we talk about Jason Tatum? Jason tatum having a great season. Jason Tatum just scored a new career. High Twenty seven points now. He's up to thirty two points. It's been incessant from you and he actually did have an incredible game against the Lakers albeit in defeat. You hate to see that for the Celtics lose a game like that on national. Tv in front of everyone surly. It would have helped your case. You're a little bit more in touting tatum as the future of the NBA. If he had been able to pull that out and you know have been completely locked. Down by the Lakers. Double Team late night game now. I'm just trolling you. But we're at a very interesting moment of tatum's career because he's ascending right. I mean there's no question you look at his numbers over the last ten games It's been Alpha dogs score night in night out I'm shoving the ball down your throat. I'm going to the basket whenever I want. I am imposing my will on games and I'm attracting defensive attention in ways that I've never consistently done previously and Lebron's vouched for him on Instagram He made a point to go over kind of congratulate him. After that Lakers Celtics game on Sunday night. So you add all those things together Michael. What's the state of Tatum for you right now? I imagine you are just bouncing out of your seat with happiness. I was so close to including him in the hall of legends. But I had strange so you would be proud of me. Did this is what I've talked about with you. Bossing Guy Span. Bob cousy Cagey Jason Tatum. To not belong in the hall of legends. Scott Jeez Jesus So a couple of Sundays back you. You texted me asking for a few lead ideas for that we show. I gave you a few ideas that you liked and then I brought up. Tatum as you just said Saying that if he had a big game that afternoon on national TV against the thunder that we should consider discussing him breaking out is the third best player in the Eastern Conference as a topic. You responded quote. I was looking for topics not share propaganda so shortly after he was named Eastern Conference Player of the week and in the five game. Since that text which you so rudely sent. He's averaging thirty points. Nine rebounds shooting fifty percent from the field forty one percent from the three point line attempting. Nearly ten free throws per game. He guarded Chris. Paul who is the most clutch player in the League? This season down the stretch of that tight game in Oklahoma City on the road in a win for the Celtics. He outduelled Kawhi Leonard Defending Koi Leonard in the fourth quarter and having Kawhi Leonard. Defend him in a thirty nine point effort against the clippers. Win He dropped. The forty one against the Lakers two point loss on the road and just to Shape it out here a cool twenty eight and eleven against the timber. Wolves and the type of performance the true superstars have and what I mean by that is. Nobody was watching and nobody cared and he's still came through so look at. I mean this is just like incredible stuff and it's a it's like an inflection point in his career taking place in real time which we don't really get to see so often usually these things happen you know in the they'll be like always heading into his third years heading into his fourth year and then there is the leap. He's like making the leap in person like during a season when the championship is seemingly up for grabs and the Celtics are ranked top five in offense and defense. All they need. Is this one guy to be. They're Alpha score their go-to person down the stretch of a tight game when Kemba Walker can not get it done. Because he's too small so I I take them. I don't really know what to say about what we're seeing. It's it's really great to see I think has his defense is one of the more underrated parts of his game. Still and you know there was that play against the Lakers. Where you know. He's switching onto Anthony Davis and holding his own enforcing tough shots in the paint. Like these are the things that just put him in this new category. Where I don't I don't think he's as good as Luca. I don't necessarily think that He will have as good a career. Zion I think those two are kind of just special but I do think that. Tatum is in that same untouchable category of Young. Blue Chip Prospect. Well thank you for that rundown. Look Michael I mean. We all have good week sometimes. You know I mean come on. I'm just kidding. He's he's been great. You're describing with the inflection. Point is kind of right on the money. Abba couple follow up questions for you. Just want to feel you out here a little bit first of all is he gonNa make all NBA second of all if there was a draft of all the players in the Eastern Conference and you can have them keep early. You gotTa have them going forward for the rest of time. Where does tatum fall? And then third of all. Is there a current player or a recently retired player? Who this current version of tatum. Like this latest version of tatum. That we're seeing reminds you of so last question is actually really interesting. And I've I actually have an answer for you Well that'd be great. Nice 'cause I just asked it so that would be perfect. This whole thing works Michael so I wrote this piece about tatum. A couple of weeks back Right before he took off and one of the statistics that really jumped out to me was how he was hitting. Pull up threes this season and as you know someone who watches uncovers the NBA. Like the pull up three PO STEPH CURRY. We've kind of realized that this is the unguarded Tool in the toolbox that every great score needs and so for someone his size to have sidesteps and step backs and these one dribble pull ups that are just completely ungovernable because his release point is so high above his head and he's six nine at long arms at basically come to the conclusion that he's sort of like James Harden but with Kevin Durant physical advantages. Is that too much of a stretch? What do you think about that is interesting? I mean I'm certain to see some like Paul George like MVP candidate. Paul George That version right. We don't always see him but like he goes that pull up three a lot too. I wish Paul George would put his head down and get to the basket even more than he does and I think that maybe especially this season. He's just been coasting on that stuff. But that's the player icy stole and with the two-way commitment with the length with the frame size. Maybe that's too basic of comparison but I think that like when when tatum was first coming in he was getting more like Rudy. Gay type calm like at Summer League and everything and I think that he is now into that. Paul George Category. Where again if if you're playing like that consistently he will in the not too distant future be viewed as an MVP candidate. Because that's where Paul George was for multiple seasons. Yeah I mean when you look at where. Tatum is in his career right now. With where Paul George was when he was in his third year or twenty one years old. I think tatum is far ahead. so to answer your question about who? I would draft in the eastern conference ahead of TATUM. If this was a keeper league in real life I think Jaanus I share the number one pick. Thank God I was getting worried man like when you were running literally read every box score. That he's had from the last three weeks to rub it into my face. I was like this is about be a takeover. This guys have to come out here. Plan his flag on Tatum. And say you know what tatum greater than Jaanus. So I'm glad you did you that I'm not insane but you did deserve that rant so I have no regrets but I think after Jaanus like if I'm looking at who are the best players today in the East. I'm just like okay. There's Johnson and then there's in bead and there's a little bit of a conversation below that if I'm doing a keeper league I think Tatum's number two for me for like just projecting forward what he can be health Which is the number one reason why I would not pick Joel? Embiid Stylistically. The things he can do and where the game is going and where he has value. I mean someone who can defend point guards wings forward centers as well as he can can also you know he basically wakes up in the morning in twenty points in the box score so Pure score can get a shot anytime. He's developing as a playmaker as you said in that Laker game he was getting doubled like he was hardened this season like that defense of attention was they. Don't give that to everybody. That's the one of the best defensive teams in the League So I would. They ate him. Let me underscore that they give that to basically nobody? I mean they have not really done a lot of that this year and they felt they had to like the way they were doubling. It was like the scramble double. Oh we gotta get over there. Quick like it was like panic doubles as opposed to the like all right. We know exactly what we're doing and I. It was the ultimate sign of respect to tatum. And it actually. I thought worked out pretty well. I thought Boston's offense had some had some issues down the stretch there late and La has had its own clutch offensive problems throughout the season. I mean if you look at guys like Lebron. Anthony Davis Danny Green. Their efficiency numbers in late game. Situations are not good this year. So Lebron kind of hitting that turnaround over Jalen Brown where he's Kinda smiling. Because he knows he got him with the fake. That was actually kind of a big moment. For THE LAKERS. They needed a high profile. Late-game ten victory where their offense actually did? Kinda come through. They just sort of needed that for their own You Know Sanity. So you're GONNA have tatum oversea Arkham in keep relief for sure. I love Siaka and I mean like his trajectory is completely unprecedented and next year he could average like forty five points a game and it wouldn't shock me but yeah. I think I'm going to go by a slight margin mostly because of I think. Age is a huge factor is not young. Tatum is twenty one years old. Doing this Oh sure tatum tatum. Or Ben Simmons. I think that he is one that could get on my forgotten. This conversation right now and I mean. I'm pretty hard on Ben Simmons and a lot of ways and honestly the way he's played over the past month third. You know six weeks. I've been super impressed. And the fact that he's been able to score without the jumper just kind of getting downhill in half court situations as well just shows. Just how special he? He can be still if he just unlock that one other part of his game even if it's just an elbow jumper like just shoot from the free throw line and you'll be incredible So Simmons you all of that plus the passing which is just other worldly plus the defense which I think. He's going to make an defensive team this year. And he's in the conversation for defensive player of the year It's still it's still take them for me just because of the offense and like I can't throw the ball the Simmons and be like I needed. I needed to score on the next five possessions or we're going to lose the game so it stayed for me. Yeah that one is really really really really close and you know this stuff with Simmons which we can get into a second. I mean that might wind up being like kind of a tiebreaker. In this conversation here What about TATUM versus Trae Young? I mean come on. It's like I I I love trae young and that's why I ask because you were. You were standing forum for like a month straight of of podcasts and you can make the argument okay. Well if he's going to be able to carry any lead offense you get. The right team built around him Though so that leading the need playmaker with the three point off the dribble the deep range. The Great Handle. That's one of the most valuable commodities in basketball. I'm not arguing this. I'm just saying that would be the argument for trae young no for sure I mean. I'm the reasons why I stand for trae young. We're basically because he was being criticized. I felt unfairly and people were overlooking all those things that you just listed all those positive attributes. I mean when it comes down to it. Like tatum is one of the best defenders this position and you can play him in any lineup. Beside any group of teammates like trae young you need to draft a certain amount of players signed certain types of players You have to be very careful about who you put around him if you want to actually win a championship which we don't know we don't we just don't know if that's even going to be possible. We got to see him in the playoffs. And what he looks like on the defensive end when teams attack them on every single possession teams. Do Not Attack Jason Tatum on Defense. They go away from him. He's feared so that's the big difference there for me all right a couple more because we're getting pretty close to this power ranking's You know it's very interesting and we're pretty much in accord right now on tatum. Which is scary. It makes me feel like the propaganda. It's working on me Michael. What about tatum versus a guy like Dennis Smith Junior. What about tatum versus Chris? Dodd lowry marketed. What do you think I was? You know what's really funny real quick? Is that last? Year and tatum was struggling like tatum. Versus Lauri. Marketing was not like a crazy thing to say and like well. That's the that's the unmitigated. Power of Kyrie Irving in full effect. Right There Kyrie. Irving has the potential to sell you soda. Sell you sneakers and turn Jason Tatum into lowry market. And that's all you need to know about it. I'm not gonNA argue but beyond that like I can't think of any players on. What are your thoughts about the embiid thing? We are you that on top. Are you in agreeance where health is just such a detriment that you can't pick them? Yeah I mean if we're saying for like you get him for the rest of their careers. I would actually have Simmons over embiid and then I would have tatum over embiid and it would really come down to me. That second spot on this list after Yannis would be either tatum or Simmons and the health with Simmons. Now scaring me a little bit but I might barely Lean Simmons Because of his ability to make his teammates better with the past. But it's really really close. I should also say that I'll take any of Janas direct siblings over any of these is under the assumption that I could use that direct sibling to lure Jaanus to my team. So you have to take them and those guys down a couple pegs because of that but it's a great conversation. Let's dig into the Simmons thing man because you've had a great time just slamming the sixers at every single turn right and we get this tweet From Adrian Woessner ASS GIVE ESPN DOT com over these last couple of days where it's basically like look. We don't really know what's going wrong with. Ben Simmons is back but it's not good. It's not going to be solved tomorrow. They're weighing their options. Is he going to be shut? Down is going to try to play through it. He did try to play through it over the weekend. And you could probably describe that how how that went but I think the short version was not good. I mean back and forth to the locker room Discomfort not really playing up to his full capabilities against Milwaukee in a loss to the bucks. I guess I'm just GonNa put this bluntly Michael because I feel like you're you're blunt when it comes to the sixers is their season toast like is this it Was this kind of the Canary in the coal. Mine of like yeah. We were all clinging to the sixers actually being able to pull this thing together at some point maybe in the playoffs and making a real run. But this Simmons News like the straw that broke the camel's back like okay like you can just write them off. Forget about them I think so I. It's I I don't ever write off anybody completely this soon when someone team with that much talent in particular but like. I wasn't if we're talking like championship that come on the podcast ally. If you've ever wanted to write anybody off ever in your life it's The Philadelphia. Seventy sixers come on. Keep it real. That's that's Fair Ben. I mean I'm just trying to be a nice guy like I don't want them when their down No I mean I. I don't see I don't see them. Winning a playoff series let alone going to the finals and beating and L. A. Team or beating the bucks beat like in the first round if they have They do they will not most likely have homecourt advantage They've been absolutely despicable on the road. All season I have no faith in Joel. Embiid doing what he did to the Atlanta Hawks last night Four Times in seven games. I just don't I haven't seen the consistency out of him at all as someone who's serious about being the best low post threat sin Shaquille O'Neal so I just don't see it there and I mean we've talked about this a million times going back to the trade deadline when I thought they totally screwed that up and The fact they don't have a backup point. Guard is a little concerning. I mean why would you not have one on your roster? Why would you not try to trade for one at the deadline So yeah it's it's not looking great for The Philadelphia. Seventy sixers right now. Can we please please please get heat versus sixers in the first round? That's the series we need like. I know I've been talking a lot about Celtics Nets because of the KYRI. Possibility will now Kyrie's out so we can just forget about that. One Who cares? We need heat sixers so bad just to see and hear. Listen to just the incredible amounts of crap bed. Jimmy Butler won't be talking throughout that series as Miami Knoxville out of the playoffs. In like maybe five or six games right that he's GonNa to. He's going to belittle them if they were to play. But I I certainly don't think Philadelphia will get the five seed which is a total bummer. Where do you think's going to happen? Well I'm looking at the standings right now. And you'RE GOING TO SLIDE BEHIND INDIANA BASICALLY. I do and I think that strategically that would be the wise thing right like I don't think that they would beat the Celtics or the raptors. But I do think that especially against the Celtics. They have to like that matchup in terms of their size and embiid in the frontcourt and I can do surrounded by as many shooters as possible for a second there. I thought you were going to say strategically. The wise move is to tank and lead the playoffs entirely. Because they're not going to beat anyone like I thought you were going that far with it so you actually think philly would rather play Boston. As opposed to Miami. I do because you avoid the Milwaukee Bucks in the second round which I think is just a humongous dry here. And if you want to show that fo- progress from last season it would be getting to the conference finals as opposed to losing in the second round again. And this time to the Milwaukee Bucks so that would be the thought process why they would wanna drop down to six. So that's really interesting. I think this is telling Michael because I understand the logic that you're laying out. I almost wonder now with the Simmons thing if they have more pressing issues right. It's like you can't be looking ahead to like some weird pat at the conference finals. Like they're like in day to day moat to me. You know it's like maybe they need to be trying like all out to get the four seed so that they can hope that homecourt advantage is carries over whoever they play in the first round. Because they're going to deathly lose to whoever they have to face in the second round if that makes sense like have their has their ceiling lowered so much where they're going to need to reset the bar in terms of what's successful season like a wind up losing in the first round. That's an utter disaster. Like do they have to go all out and hope that homecourt and that four or five like puts them into the second round even if they get swept by Milwaukee or beaten five games like at least at least they have something to show for it. It's a total disaster either way so like I don't. These are both lose-lose scenarios. I think if you're the sixers and you came into the season thinking that you were going to win the championship and a lot of smart people picked you to go to. The finals included that not that. I'm smart but I did pick them to go to the finals. So I like losing the first losing in the second round I do agree with everything that you're saying. This should be treated day to day. I mean that's basically their point guard situation where it shake shake Milton and tomorrow it'll be rowling it though and I don't even know what other options there are now on the roster but it's a total dumpster fire. My last question for you is this Michael. I want you to imagine you're part of Clutch sports or you're part of the Kardashian clan. You know the people that Simmons keeps close. What's your advice here? Should he shut it down like we're describing? What's the endgame for Philly? If Simmons is coming back he's limited or if they're playing without Simmons you know you're looking at a player who as we've described as one of the brightest futures in the entire Eastern conference? You're looking at a former number one pick who's incredibly marketable at least in theory especially if he had his own team. You're looking at a guy who could easily find himself in trade rumors this summer based on the state of how Philadelphia has been kind of conducting business. You're over the last few years and you're looking at a guy who is really encountering I guess for the second time in his career serious adversity when it comes to his body after missing his entire rookie season. You look at it right now. I mean he's basically twenty years old and backs are very very scary if you're one of his advisors whether it's Clutch Kardashian. Are You shutting him down? Are you saying you know what this isn't worth it? Why are we even? Why are you talking about this? We'll see you next year. I mean I think you need to consider that I really do and it. It sucks because I do like watching. Ben Simmons play his Co. total freak of nature. There's nobody like him and I really like and enjoy players. Who are not cookie cutter? That's kind of Those are the most attractive players to me. So not having him on the court not being able to watch whether or not he can make it work with embiid which is just a fun subplot. If every single sixers game that I watch it would be a bummer. But I mean that's what you it's it's something that I think. He should do right like he's very young and I actually don't think that his name would be the one in the trade rumors this summer. I do think that the winds are really blowing more towards embiid and I mean my gut tells me they don't trade either and that they they let go of Brett Brown and that's how they try to solve this and then they head into next summer or head into next season. Just don't even know with a mid level exception three point shooter added to the roster and and trying to sell everybody on that but I do think that embiid is more likely to be traded than Simmons. Such makes sense to me no. The power dynamics right now are amazing. Like if if Simmons wanted to flex on this whole situation like he easily could right he go to ownership and say look? I don't fit with embiid at all. We've been denying it for the last three years. It doesn't work. We could try to make it work but all these other moves. Don't make sense. The Front office has been you know cycling the rotation around me. None of these guys are actually making me better creating more space for me or playing the style that I wanNA play. So what are we even doing right? So you do the him or me thing versus emptied and make a strong argument that it should be him right. You could also if you wanted to probably try to flex on the front office and the coach based on the things I'm describing in terms of are they making my life the best. I'm out here playing through back pain and this is kind of a screwed up situation so if I'm him it's not impossible to imagine a scenario next year where like everybody else has gone. And Simmons is like the only man standing even if he shuts down this season right. You could see an MP trade brown ousted and then this guy be questions about Brandon's sometime at some point right. Like I know they've cycled through a bunch of front office guys and so more changed their doesn't make a ton of sense but if they go out in the first round and his whole grand master plan blows up in his face. And there's not really an easy way to retool things because guys like Tobias Harris and Horford aren't exactly going to be getting you a ton on the trademark isn't GonNa blow back on him at some point I mean. I think it already should've right like the going back to the transactions that were made last season and I know that they were one bounce the ball from going to the conference finals but the Tobias Harris Trade is just not what you want. It's you know. I don't think that he is an all star caliber player and they paid such premium forum. And then they overpaid him In free agency because they had to keep him instead of keeping Jimmy Butler who was the critical piece of last year success so I thought that that was just a complete screw up. I didn't understand the negotiation there and how he valued his own assets Enough to feel the pressure to to make that deal But yeah I mean if they look I I do think like if they do go out in the first round There will be an excuse. Most likely with Simmons injury that he can he can point to and he'll let go of Brown and So he'll ride that. I think through next season but like if you honestly keep the core what it is and you knowing that Josh. Richardson's contract is very precarious and he's GonNa get his money soon. Like I think trades some type of trade needs to happen like some type of blockbuster Maybe even involving Josh Richardson. Maybe involving Tobias Harris. If you can I don't see how Al Horford is on the team making that much money with Joel embiid. We know it can't work So there are definitely some some changes that need to be made and we'll see if he is able to pull the right moves off. No I hear you. I think here's how I would play. Michael I would try to do a quote unquote heroic comeback from the injury. Our take very cautiously if something didn't you know come out right. I could at least say hey. I tried multiple times. Then I would shut it down and then I would be working back. Channels like crazy saying look Benz a hero. He's trying to play through all this. He's the real franchise player on this organization. None of this stuff has been working. Watch what they look like without him. That tells you how valuable he is and I want all these people gone. I think that'd be. How handle it behind the scenes? If I was a part of Ben Simmons is crew and that would be great content for US Michael. So let's hope it plays out that way. We've reached the end of another open for episode. Guys you can find us on Apple podcasts by searching for open floor that's two words when you find our page scroll down it will say Radim Review Tout Five Stars. It's just that easy to help us. Spread the word. You could find Michael on Instagram and twitter at Michael V as in Victor Pena. I'm on Instagram at Ben Dot Gulliver. I'm on twitter at Bengal. Be sure to go there to sign up for my Washington Post newsletter. And please guys go ahead and Click on the Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant column. Let me know what you think of that as well. We are going to be back later this week with some incredible questions. We got We're GONNA talk about players who need life preservers off that. 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NFL Draft Reactions, Angry Rodgers, Emcee Goodell, and Overcompetitive MJ With Cousin Sal and Chuck Klosterman | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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Were staring at each other and soon. I'm so excited. Talked about this draft. But first let's go to. Tom Rinaldi for very sad story. Tom Is that what he's doing. I don't know I was such a happy night editor just over and over again. It's like Tom all the Debbie Downer like. Hey here's another really sad story. What happened to the draft? When did it turn into this human interesting? Did you watch the eighteen? Eighty nine draft audit. Yeah Yeah you know. It's fun about that. Jeff just talked about football. Now you had today. You had the green bay takes a quarterback out of nowhere twenty six I wanted them to go. I take for the next twenty minutes Rogers yet in Green Bay and instead they're like let's go to so and so because something happened to him when he was a kid. I don't know who this is for. Is this for my wife I I guess. I must've been numb to it because I was just so excited to see football back or some kind of sports or something after six weeks of nothing I felt like do you know when they show like those old people that are able to see colors for the first time when they're like seventy five years old and they get some like corrective surgery and then they put like a bouquet of flowers in front of. That's how I felt like. Oh my God. What am I looking at here? This is great. This is how things used to be and it wasn't bad except for yes they did. They did hype on a lot of the sad stuff. It just was way too human interest. There's so many great football plots going on here and You know as soon as there was this whole cowboy. Well I WANNA go through one by one but like even little stuff like CD. Lamp's falling all the cowboy fans are get super excited. All the eagles fans are four spots later praying that the cowboys don't take him that he drops to the eagles with a huge chip on his shoulder and then twice a year he torches the the cowboys and it was just. There's all the Chicago and on and they were just missing it left and right. I thought it was amazing. They did the telecast with everyone on zoom like like Kudos them for the technology but I wanted more football talk and they had all college football guys doing the draft. There was no foot like where was Bruschi. Where was anybody to tell us what you know like real hardcore? Nfl stuff it's an NFL draft college draft all right. You didn't have it well. Mcshea had to take a backseat right. Because he got the coronas that that hurt a little bit for sure but yeah yeah I didn't. I didn't have a lot of the beginning. I don't like that cadel makes fun of himself with the Boeing. I know you hated that too. That's I hate it. We come up with fat names for Harry and we're like texting into degenerate effect. And then Harry will throw one and it's like no no no you don't get to play with. This is not your game. This is our fun so booze. They definitely hired either. Pr Team or crisis consultant team. Yeah so I doubt it'd be like hey man we gotta gotTa make you see more personable. You know it's a quarantine you're going to be by yourself you the personality of a shoe right. We thought maybe we'd own this booming thing. What about a Hashtag? And we'll have a zoom board behind you and every time you turn around and show the pick to the fans on zoom. Who by the way can't see the card because they're all staring at the camera? That's the back of your head. Yeah I probably can't even see him right. Would he take an answer them seeing him and boy now sticking up a few birds along the way I don't think he would? Yeah and then he. He changed outfits. Yeah I know what is it like Donna? Shit show Mister Rogers taking over right in the middle of our telecasts here but yeah. I thought it could have been a little more fun. I was surprised. Only one tiger king reference and it came thirty one minutes in. You have a Guy Joe Borough going from the Lsu Tigers to the Cincinnati Bengal tigers. His name is Joe. You Got Exotic Joe all over the place and they throw it in like they were like apologetic to use it my name when they mentioned it could've been ten minutes on exotic high. Let's let's start there with Joe Borough. Yeah he seemed dismayed. He was watching it. I think with his parents. Nobody in the house seemed happy. That the drapes closed behind them and just everything about it was depressing. He got wrecked. It's like a hostage video. I don't know if it gets taped were beforehand or whatever like I don't think the replays were matching up. They weren't but he had. How many months here that he knew is going to the bengals? Like be a little more excited. I don't I don't know they did that. Strike you at all. It seemed like a quarantine version of what that really looked like what today's draft represented right. There aren't that he's only there with his parents. Every subsequent pick we saw had like between five and fifteen members of an entourage. So he's he's obeying the social distancing rules but no one else really is and yeah. You're right the fact that it doesn't match up when they show the players get drafted and where he actually finds out drafted it sucked like the NC Double A. CBS. Does a nice job of that if the way like three seconds for the NC Double A. Tournament? On selection Sunday when the team all of a sudden goes crazy but this was twenty thirty seconds in behind then they get on the phone with their agent. It was that could have been a lot better for sure. Yeah it'd be like we're doing this on Zuma so people can't see me but it'd be like hey we decided to give you free blowjobs for the rest of your life in the person's just staring ahead motion this supposed to be the most exciting moment of like the first twenty two twenty three years of their life just staring on a tape. Delay enemy of speed. When they're looping over the bus shot of Cana reeves with their protect when he's staring straight ahead over and over again we can't? We can't really speak for a man and when it actually sinks in that he's playing for the Cincinnati Bengals so maybe maybe it all really caught up to him when When the cameras were on that was a little bit. Favorite subplots of this was people trying because we have nothing to talk about. There's no sports And you would hear on sports radio. I heard our friend coward a couple of times a couple of other shows where they're like you know. What would it take to move into that one spot? Could you overwhelm the bengals? And it's like no you're the bengals they're the they they never trade down. They don't do anything they're the safest franchise we have. They want it. They barely even own the team. They're not trading backwards. They're not doing anything like that. Kid I was one of the day someone asked me like. What is it worth betting borough to go number one as one hundred you have to lay one hundred to win a dollar and you know May I? I love doing stuff like that. I could not justify that during a pandemic lose writer times our investment. Pretty bad well before we get to the rest of Jaffna the highlight for me. Was You mean how? Start texting about draft bets a few hours before I know you're on seventeen different exchange with things but for one day. It felt like we were back. We're doing either. I did to bats. I SPLIT. I lost a little money but I had to. In the top five Parlayed with CD LAMB to be the first receiver take and he was third so I know that one. And then the other and had was the pats not taking. Qb In the first round. He's I knew they're going to trade down. I don't know I didn't bet the past trae down. It was the most obvious bet on the board was minus went thirty seven. We talked about it Tell them about the funniest bet though. The Harry the hairy special. We'll Harry from against all odds co-host there and he loves he singlehandedly. Ruined your guy to kill Harry season last year. He picked him to win rookie of the year. He did this one thing. I was going to go very early in the draft. And he likes him because he's from. Asu and Harry lives in Arizona and he stocks. These players is a fifty year old weird man stalking these college players. And it doesn't help that the guy's last name is Harry too so he's got your Jersey and everything else and so there was a prop on the board. What did what did House do he? He it was the guy that the niners ended up taking the wide receiver for Asu overeager the guy who the eagles ended up taking from TCU and and the eagles drafted before the niners. Did Harry went up in flames again or down in flames. As so Harry had the the guy that took going ahead of Rieger right and then of course Rieger yeah and to the Eagles and by the way the fun part about that was all. The Eagles fans are upset. Yeah they they didn't want that guy. Yeah they I think if they wanted to receiver they probably want to Jefferson from. But we'll talk about what the cowboys did. But they really screwed up the strap. I don't even know if the eagles take a receiver. If well I guess they would take lamb if if he had dropped but maybe wasn't on their mind receiver at all unless the cowboys did so. Well you know me I. I don't really get into the NFL draft that much because it's always NBA playoffs I kind of know what's going on but not really and this year I was into it and it seemed like it seemed like it was sixteen guys and then it dropped off and the cowboys had the seventeenth pick. So I was looking. I was laughing. I was like Kat. Sows GONNA get screwed unless somebody screws up right and then. Finally the Falcons took the D. back who I don't feel like was in the top sixteen. I thought they were gonNA take lamb. 'cause if they'd taken him cheese it goes it goes to a different level and maybe some of those guys are as good as the top sixteen guys but it really endangered. Kelly. The mock draft for the ringers. Same thing like here's the drop point. Every draft has won And you need somebody to make a mistake And then it finally happened with Atlanta though. I guess even if they needed a d. bag you thought would have traded up. 'cause lamb might end up being like a four time all pro especially on your team. Well first let's talk about defensive backs for second and you know Detroit all the talk about them trading the pick and everything. What are you going to do? And then they stay put and they get the cornerback from Ohio state. So you know I- Okuda but I don't know what that is the least exciting position. Cornerback or safety for anyone to take because these guys. It's such a different game going from college to pro. I know you could say that for any position but the speed is different to be listened to the experts. They say you are really getting lucky. Maybe I'm maybe I'm a little jaded because the worst cowboys first round pick ever was Morris Claiborne from Lsu and they ended up. They traded up to get him so we have not had any success with d-backs but Then when Atlanta took one You know obviously Detroit took one than Atlanta took. I'm like Oh my God we have to take lamb and I'm freaking out. I'm like what is going to go on is is Jerry's yacht GonNa hit a wave and his mouth is going to go flying and he's going to malfunction the computer. I mean he was on a yacht and he's GonNa make the wrong pick but for God's sakes he did it and now this offense maybe they'll give up forty five points but there's no reason they shouldn't score fifty. I mean really. It's really great. Gallop and Cooper and CD Lamb Zeke like. There's no excuses anymore for anything and I do think they did it for Dacca. Also because it's like. Hey we got your back. Even though we're not paying you what we should have paid you immediately or last year or two years ago. We kind of got your back. We're still building around you so you can't really sit out. Be Silly to sit out person. Classic cowboys fashion. He got involved in a social media controversy that night when they had the quip of his girlfriend. Who's wearing a cocktail dress? So that was already people go and then she took one of his two phones and he grabbed it back. Yeah and then that became a whole thing so it was like perfect controversy. The cow already. They haven't even. They haven't even given the car and to Goodell yet. His controversy well she took a phone that had the contacts of all his other girlfriends. I mean on their front. She took the wrong phone. You gotTA is supposed to be happy about that in CD labs defense. If our wives grabbed our phone we would grab it back with the same vigor and somebody grabs my phone. Don't touch by phone. I would go for a Ronda. Rousey arm Bar Lady and she's got my phone too much going on all right. Let's talk about to go to it. Feels like he might drop earlier in the week but I think we just have to do this little dance and then it becomes clear either by Amir. The chargers are probably taken them. I was thinking they were gonNA trade up to get him at three. Yeah the Lions who are just you know. Just morons to the bitter end. They'd take a Khuda. Who's you know lockdown corner? I'm sure he's awesome but they the worst defense in the league. He's just going to be chasing chasing around wide receivers for twenty seconds. Says they have no pass rush right but But to add five the giants at four. Why do these teams like trying to pretend they're going to take them? You know Miami wanted him the whole time. I it comes out which is what we predicted being Russillo on Sunday night. They did get the doctor to they did. Give two of the fiscal. Of course they did. Yeah they got honor. Yeah I'd I never was a believer in the whole They can't work these guys out. It's like this is easily the biggest decision. They'RE GONNA make ten years. They're sending a doctor and it has mad suit to go work this out but to get him at five. If the like the people I know who Love College football or just out of their mind about how good he can be. That could have been a legendary pick right. Yeah and I was wrong about it now that think about it. Why not to of course? If he had played full seasons he would've thrown close. To a hundred pat touchdown passes for Alabama. He also wouldn't have won the heisman trophy. Either of those years. Crazy enough but Yeah he's he's a specimen and if he's if he's healthy you have to take him and I talked about taking cornerbacks and defensive backs. That's where the lions screwed up the giants. Forget it. They're a whole different ballgame and they did exactly what you said. I think on Monday or Tuesday. Actually they sent smokescreens up on four twenty ironically. Making like yeah. I think we like Justin. Herbert no-one fell for it. It's like Yeah Nice. Try but you're tied to Daniel Jones here and you have a lot of problems and you. You'd better protect Daniel Jones and Barclay in his last few good years here but yeah the amazing alliance or the team. That could have done it though right. Yeah 'cause bad stafford. What are they ever won with? Him IS EXPENSIVE FEES. Probably the either the tail end of his prime or after his prime and they could have just gotten this momentum. Going like we've sent our doctor to check out to. We really love this guy. We're GONNA take them at three. I just feel like somebody would have panicked. Yeah I just I think the word got around the League that that Stafford contract is so hard to unload that it would just just taken a lot to get get them out of that spot so you like two in Miami. I don't know if you heard because they only mentioned it. Seventy times during the draft but Very Popular Guy Alabama. They just one of the most popular guys on that campus. I heard that I don't know why that would be that. They ever go into it. They just just a blanket statement like that. They'd wait wait. He's interview talk about God. It just seems like pretty boring. I I wonder like what would so magnetic about him in person I. It's just one of those guys where when you're actually the room with them like I like to think like our friend Daniel as somebody. Who's magnetic right? Can I get your drake like I? I could see how he would be like a beloved guy and there'll be a campus but absolutely to seems like a straight Arrow. I don't understand why he'd be that beloved guy. Maybe it's appealing to be around them and see how he's GonNa get injured next. Maybe that's fun but I don't know I don't know why also why also be. Nella me ask you this. Well how do you look at it? You look at it like Tom Brady dodged the bullet now too is in the AFC east. Tom Brady has to compete to be the best quarterback in Florida. So who are the? Who's the Florida competition to Menchu? Admin she met you. Yeah but let's just say to against Brady See. Where is the accident? Where is Jacksonville in this? So I was hearing all day. That was the big move. They were trying desperately to trade up with the lions but it just didn't work but yeah that would be if you're the lions you could get seven and nineteen for three In maybe like a second round or something you know two thousand twenty three or whatever and neither you take Khuda you take the other cornerback. Who went nine? Yeah and then you end up with the nineteenth pay too. I would much rather have done that. If I'm the JAGS like do they. We thought Gee Menchu. We thought that was adorable. We enjoyed it. He was frisky. They don't they don't honestly think he's their quarterback for the next ten years really think that he played that game in the rain and then he was done like you couldn't even and they set but then they keep saying. Oh no he's our guy we have to build around them. There were twenty six in the League in because I thought I thought CD lamb was going nine. I was like the jags. Were the first team could actually take a receiver. Year and CD LAMB to the. Jags was fourteen to one to the cowboys. He was thirty to one. I mean no one. He would fall that far but the JAGS will take four. Wow there's good value in that. If they are being treated at word that they're gonNA build around Gardner Menchu and what did they take? They took a cornerback and then they later on what they take you. They took a defense another defensive player. Yeah they took a defensive guy that a guy that actually I wonder if the Patriots had targeted because that was right after that they They traded at twenty three right which which was a lock. But I would. I was wondering if that was the guy they were kind of waiting. And so yeah. They took chase on the edge from lsu right yeah yeah. He felt a little patriots city. Exactly the to say no. You know a Lotta people made this joke including rece Davis but it is funny like they. They got their team last season. And it's like tanking for two It rolls off the tongue. It's perfect this is before. Joe Bar Borough turns into like Jesus Christ but Dan of getting him anyway with five in they were screwing up their draft. Pick down the stretch They're winning games. They're coming together. The Brian Flores thing I thought it was a great story they end up really screwing the Patriots. Knock three seed the parent lose next round all these things they do correctly and then they still get to a and again five. I was just going to say to you whether you believe which. Which of the Ryan's ended Your Dynasty? Whether it's Fitzpatrick or Aura Tannen. Hill Fitzpatrick sure. Let him to victory in the regular season like you said in a game. They should have been trying to lose if they wanted to. And it all kind of worked out. It doesn't really make sense. And the thing is I talked about this Uncertain on Sunday Nights pod. But it's a hit or miss pick. It could be a disaster. He could be out of league in two years he might be brittle it might be one of those things where in five years we look back and we go Man There are so many signs that this guy was going to be able to hold up as a football player like we knew it and we talked theirselves into it or could go the other way and you go man. They got that Guy v Right. Yeah but I can't believe it driving me nuts you enhanced being all my God we better not get to it because I think Peter King said something like the the Patriots would trade up. I think that was his big move that they would trade up and get to and you'll like oh no we can't we don't why are you kidding? Me What are you talking about? You have the best quarterback forever and now if you have to take half a year off and get an A. At the chance of having once again a once in a lifetime quarterback what are you crazy? What are you talking about that? You wouldn't want him there. It wasn't God's plan sow listen. I'm very comfortable with what the Patriots are doing. They're clearly Tossing Away Two thousand twenty. And they're going to have a nine figures that cap space a year from now and I'm sure they're going to just put it together bell check figure out a way to go nine and seven and it'll be the most garbage roster they've had you know since the two thousand season and like. Oh my God. What a coaching job by ballot check. How did he do it? How did he get these guys tonight at seven? Don't they traded down to thirty seven and Seventy-three they have a bunch of thirds. Fell Trade. Back Again. You'd think they're keeping thirty seven they'll probably move back another time and grabbed more nudes and It's just hilarious like I. I'll do the story now. But this is my son's first draft. Yeah my son just really got an football this year and he was really excited to watch the draft and he studied the top fifteen. And he's like but he puts on the PATS Jersey at like pick thirteen getting ready and ban. We're going straight out of the first round. I'm just wondering we're GONNA take it gets twenty one and they do that so he was like what the hell so they don't have one pick you just see it. Never had it but it sucks. So you're trades out of the first rate it's kind of like the reverse of waiting for jury duty and you're there all day and they send you home. It's like Oh thank God for nothing but now yeah now waiting two and a half three hours for your patriots and usually you pick like thirty first and thirty seconds so you didn't rate nearly as long as today and then tomorrow when they have other pigs. It's just flying by right. Yeah they're barely even going over what's happening. Meanwhile today's draft we get in the background of every guy every terrible thing that's ever happened to them but the fact that they wouldn't take a quarterback in the first round and that that bet wins because they traded the pick anyway the fact that it was going to get too technical here but it was minus two twenty before Broncos to Tampa and it goes down to minus one forty. That was crazy. That was insane that people thought. Oh now gronk is in Tampa so Bella checks going mad and take Jordan loftier something. That's just not how it ever works right. It's definitely not how he works. Either in the GROG THING. The coverage of it was so bizarre to me. The guys I he said in an interview a few months ago. He's like I've had at least twenty concussions. I blacked out five times. I've had nine surgeries like I am. Actually he's my favorite patriot of all time. I I I don't think he should play football anymore. In the I would have said that if he came back to the Patriots. I just think it was over. He just spent an entire year where he lost all this weight and a you know in for Tampa to keep them on the cap at ten million bucks I thought was bonkers in. Pay Him ten million dollars this year. Yeah right and honestly what what what you're over under for games. Bronx plays for the bucks this year. Seven and a half. Yeah that's probably about right. And the fact that you talk about betting like the market totally overcorrected there are like eighteen. The one to win the Super Bowl. They went down to twelve to one when GRONK drunk signed. They're not even favored to win the division and better odds to win the Super Bowl than the saints do. It's it's bizarre. And here's a guy we talked about it. He struggled to score three times in thirteen games two years ago and twenty pounds ago with a better version of Tom Brady like. I don't see how this works out. He's like champion now. Defendant what happens to the twenty four seven title. I at least I think he's going to be pinned wall. He's a while he's saluting the flag for the anthem. Someone's going to come up some guy and roll them up from behind. Hopefully that'll happen in week. One it reminded me of When Brooklyn traded for Pearson Garnett from the Celtics and people were like acting like they were getting Pearson Garden it from two thousand eight and they just weren't the same guys. I still thought it was a good trade because at the time it didn't seem like they're giving up ladder protected. It seemed like didn't seem I think up the top three pick in the draft. They were a playoff team but they weren't those guys that they used to be. I feel that way about Brady. I definitely feel that way about Iraq. So when you see the tweets from people like they took that tackle who fell to them at Fourteen that was good pick he. He was in every draft everywhere. Going from four to fourteen and I was seeing tweets about people laying out their offense. How potent it's going to be in. Gronk and Brady and it's like that's all fine but Brady's forty three right and Chris Crock with two hundred twenty five pounds a week ago like He. He's GonNa be blocking people right exactly. I don't know I feel like this year's bandwagon team to me. We call it last year with the browns. We were all over last year. The Bucks Feel Very Bandwagon it to me this year. I think we always look at them. I love to go back to all of our preseason podcasts and I think we have the the bucks going over and wins probably seven out of the last nine years they they're ultimately th the letdown team of the NFC. I think did I ever get your thoughts on Brady and the Stern interview talent talking about. How Giselle wrote him a long letter about how you had to be a better husband. And how that really made him rethink everything and it was a come to Jesus Moment Fermanagh. This stuff does this. Do we hope that our wives don't hear that story because I just I I don't know how the quarantines treat new but I feel like any any day now. There's just going to be a long letter on my nightstand about how I need to be a better husband. I really hope Giselle starting at Tread. Yes now why write a letter won? The wives can scream at us. Any chance right. We're in the same house where stock here but now Yada interview. He's just too for me. I'm sorry I know stearns a great interviewer Blah Blah Blah all that but. I can't listen to Tom Brady. There was a time. Where if Howard Stern was interviewing Tom Brady? You would have lost your mind right. It'd be listened to it forty times. Oh yeah that those days are over for another big another big subplot from the draft Green Bay. Yeah it was a fun draft. I was having a great time so nice to have football back just felt normal. Gave the quarantine draft was a little weird And then Green. Bay's on the clock and it's like man every funny they took a QB here. Just I remember thinking that my hat that you think you take one of the receivers and if I could take Jordan love and it's just GonNa be great and honestly they could have just talked about that for the rest of the draft. I would've I would've had every. Espn Guy who was on call just broadening zoom to just be like. What does this mean for air? Green Bay convinced what we're GONNA do tomorrow. I don't know why the draft would reflect that but it felt like such a fuck you now that the reports that he lost his mind. Rogers he was blindsided. They didn't give him a heads up and he was flipping out. I don't know who would say that or see that but and this kind of solidifies what. Everyone thought that he did not have a good relationship with leflore the whole time. So yeah exactly. What does he do is he gonNA? Is it GONNA sit for two years or and I also think the reporters are a little afraid of Aaron Rodgers. I think that's why they didn't talk about it. I don't know there's a weird kind of thing with Aaron Rodgers where you don't. I'm not afraid of him right. I was thinking my wife's been just plowing through below deck and Rogers reminds me of like just the way he's acted the last few years he's like one of the people below deck who. Hey we're all going after drinks tonight. See that one person having the three drinks or they go man. There's this there's GonNa be an argument if you just feel it's happening you know. Rogers is going to be a deck about this like it's the mortal lack of all time. Brady with the Garoppolo thing. It obviously bothered him the whole time but he never made a big deal out of it I think he just silently seed. Rogers is the other way. He'll he's just GONNA it'll be openly be a deck about it is GonNa give an interview and also this love. I don't know this is the love for loved is I? I don't understand where it comes from the guy through like seventeen interceptions last year I. Completion percentage went down from like sixty four to sixty one like the fact that I was like. Oh this guy that was the I think the one bet I want. I picked them over. Nineteen and a half to be drafted over nineteen and a half and he was but I didn't even think he'd make it in the first round. It's bizarre to me. Well the other thing and this happens this happens in hoops to Mahomes is the hawk. Ira down coming up the Super Bowl. So then they're you know a little bit of mahomes Scott that same Kinda mahomes ability to bubble up art. It's like stop. No Right. Don't please. No it reminded me of when Dirk started taken off in the early two thousands And there's that draft with Nicholas Tisch Cavalier. Who WENT LIKE FIVE TO DENVER? All right knows he reminds Mazi a little bit of Dirk Nowitzki. No no he doesn't he doesn't right anyway to Turkey. Well here is what I'd recommend because they compare them to mahomes because he has there's tape of him completing three passes where he threw it like side arm or something. So right if you're in high school or you're in college and you got all your stats align. Make sure you have a highlight package of you. Throw in like a sidearm. Pfaff or something behind your back or something because it's going to go a long way you're GonNa be compared to Patrick Mahomes. At least by a couple idiot reporters out there with all the uncertainty in the world. Feeling safe at home has never been more important. Which is why I want to tell you about simplisafe home security longtime friends of our show and for good reason simplisafe has made it easy to finally get comprehensive protection for your home no technician or sales person to come and disrupt your house. You don't need to pay any outrageous monthly fees or sign a two year contract. Now you know if any of that stuff just order online. 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Jon Gruden looks up and he has see him in the robe. Got To be a little concerned right. Not even in Vegas when people are out yet and he's already making a spectacle of themselves and hangover to. I think he wore the robe because he knew he was heading to Vegas. Ooh interesting. Somebody would ask him that. He looks like he just had a huge sign in Vegas and was trying to figure out if he should go down stairs for Brunch Ryan whether she wrote a room service like he had that kind of vibe to who out of all the people that we saw just from like their house. They're living room all that stuff who's living room made you the most suspicious that they were being paid off by booster because there is a couple where it's like. I thought you were in college. I felt bad. Because some coaches you would think we're doing better for themselves and then there's some players that was It was interesting that that wasn't looked like an econolodge or something but a lot of those two. Did you realize that pool tables were spoke? I wonder if people just ordering pool tables during the quarantine. Did they really have these pool tables like two months ago? It doesn't always was. Espn shipping the pool. Tables was it. The best was nick. Sabin had a pool table like this little pool room with like all pictures and stuff. I'm like do you think nick. Sabin shooting stick on thirsted. Hey let's say hey. Who is your best to in a three? It was a big night for pool tables for sure there are a lot of. I wanted more information on who is in the room like a lot of times. Could tell who the agent was It was it was usually the one white guy but But there was a lot of like all right. Who's that. Why is that person there? I just wanted everybody. Id if we're going to do this. Quarantine thing I just want more information. Let's talk about Goodell. Yeah so Goodell is the MC lighter side. They decide all right. We can't do a draft. We're going to have to do this. Everybody's GONNA be remote. Roger can carry this He's eight Roger has the personality. And the wherewithal like this is honestly something like Jimmy. Kimmel should hosted like they should've actually had a real host. Right yeah right. Yeah not not goodell by himself in a basement bunker new impact and try and interact with people. I did not understand why they played it that way. Well he took on a lot right. I mean it's really. It's a bigger risk than normal. Obviously but I think I bet going through his head he was like all right. This is the biggest event. This is something everyone's looking forward to after this. There's nothing there's really nothing for all may have a couple of golf tournaments in there. Whatever but I'm going to be the star this show and people are GonNa remember me because I brought this back and it was my call to not delay this so I think he had to be much like a guy who was a guy who holds daily press conference minds. But that's I think what it was. I mean they easily could have gotten someone else right. What was harder to think hosting this? Nfl draft tonight or hosting the Oscars. Like honestly Jimmy. Does the Oscars he does the monologue and then how many more times the MTV like eight times goodell's coming in and out of commercials he's reading picks he's turning around to the zoom. He's doing moment of silences and yeah. It's pretty complicated. I don't I thought they actually by the asked him. I guess yeah they. They asked him do a little too much but doing the Oscars during the metoo. Era was not was not easy. So that you could put the Harvey Weinstein stuff was blowing up. Where did you? How'd you feel about the Zoom Fan Board? The twenty fans just like okay so just staring into the camera and then make noise when your team makes a pick. I. I didn't totally understand it but at the same I wanted to make some sort of atmosphere. Yeah they needed. They needed that. I mean they're coming from what was it was hundreds of thousands of Maine maniacal fans in the street and Nashville last year. You got don't want that like Oh really. Shouldn't be anywhere other than Nashville. Until they announced that. It's going to be in Vegas outside of Caesar's and you're GONNA go through law show. The players are going to be You know ushered in through the Bellagio fountains like what what is this so majestic and now it's over computer with like a little like buzzy footage and everything but. I wonder when that was all shot. I mean they had to have that. I think they had that all. Can they weren't going to take any chances like I said with the you know what our idiot fans Joel House. One Hung a moon right the redskins if the redskins traded that pick it would have been something. They couldn't take any chances with that. Yeah if it was live. We're seeing over under two and a half Cox. Yeah right absolutely so yeah. Exactly but onscreen for sure. I think the only reason I might think it might have been live at least some of the pixels. 'cause when the packers took Jordan love there is a guy in the zoom one of the twenty people. Who who who like. Lean back in this. Below real yeah. It wasn't Aaron Rodgers. And they I mean I really wish said Aaron Rodgers Cam. That would've been thought of that right for sure. Yeah thrown a seltzer throwing an apple. Yeah and then. Espn going sappy. I didn't I just I don't get it so you did watch some of that. Nineteen eighty nine draft. Because I thought that was. I can't believe how much I enjoyed it and And also how bad some of the day made with the telecast where people on camera that just should never have been on camera boomer just obviously guessing picks pretending to no end yet yet to call him out on some of the pit calling just loved it. I was so into it but are people going to say that thirty years from now and they go back and watch the Zoom draft from twenty twenty and see booger on there and be like what was this guy. How did that what he was in the booth? Also for years for nate in replays like yeah they they just could never replace them every quarterback. They asked to do it. When do it so you ended up doing the SPN job for fifteen years? Like how are we going to explain that? I don't know maybe it's all relative. What's The quarterback? Drop off line before they just decided to go back to bigger. Oh I see interesting is it. I don't know Brian Hoyer. You may have to bring some of the old ones back Ryan Leaf. Maybe they try of Ryan Leaf. Romo's Romo's backup on down. They just went after him. Yeah maybe a little kitten. Yeah so my son isn't I? I mentioned the on the last pot. I did my son's been watching all these football life documentaries and watch the Tony Romo. One Watch Emmett Smith one which we say you a little text about watch. Romo when I was like. So what did you learn about Roma? What did you think? And he was like. He was good. Never made a super bowl nine of my twelve year old son. It's reaction football nut suck. Yeah it's bad that that's no big takeaway never ever made a surprising and I was thinking about Romo. Turn forty this past week. I was like wow magin. If he had this crew forty year. Old Tony Romo. With what's Gallup Cooper and CD LAB Zeke? Why why couldn't we make it work but now to come back? That's what I said. Sue ditches done booth job and come back on the Gridiron. So now what do we do so now it happens. It really is. Let me ask you this. What over under two and a half of the four major sports come back by September. You're going under if I give you plus one fifty on the over. F- I think baseball comes back. I and then I think basketball quickly follows so there's two Football I can't figure out football. Well I just. I can't do it with the bubble thing that they're gonNA use the basketball. You can't put thirty two teams and fifteen hundred players in sixteen stadiums a week in a bubble like it just doesn't work. I don't know how you do it so you eat might have to do something where you quarantine everybody. And they just fly from venue to venue in bed. I can't figure it out now. What we're seeing with American. Now some of these states are just say fuck it. We're coming back. Yeah we if the virus Grosso Bit. It's just the way it has to go but it's regional right all this stuff is regional like you know. California's very careful. I like I said I saw on. Tv who there's four family members maybe not family members on the couch. Some are older that freaks me out a little bit but also if you announce that Lsu was playing Georgia on Saturday they would sell seventy five thousand tickets tomorrow. All those people will die probably by Monday but I don't know how it would go but so yeah it is regional. It's so funny I had Michael Irvin on my podcast on against the laws. I asked him about this. I was like what about a quarantine would work. Would it work for the ninety two cowboys? Would they be able to stay in a hotel and just like live? And he's like listen. You could keep the players in but you can't keep the ladies out so he thinks could work even with that crazy team if it could work with them that it could work with anyone but well. I'm surprised to hear you think that football is the one that's so you would go over two and a half then. I I would go under two and a half that I can't figure out how football would work and interest and I certainly think it's not a bunch of rocket scientists running that league like I have more confidence in the NBA. Coming to a really smart safe plan that they put a lot of thought into right. Okay but what about the fact that no league cares about their players less than football so that would be the case for football coming back right exactly and you could even see the draft tonight with it was almost by region some of the some of the people that had like fifteen people in their houses? I get there in the south. That's out there. They think the viruses just like a flu ugly. I I don't know I have no feel for football. I think baseball will come back. I then Barry Ball and then we'll have some golf majors. I I'm worried about you. Know a lot of talk about mental health. Last couple of years I worked at your mental health if we get too late July and there's no light at the end of the tunnel the football I genuinely worry about you. You you should be word definitely should be worried. I need football in the fall. If you WANNA star knock Tober. That's fine but I definitely. I absolutely needed to come back and it's funny. I've heard different things about basketball on his lead ever. They want to shut it down. Like how do they do it without affecting two seasons? That's what football has gone for them. It's still four months away but do you start basketball in December. Which maybe they should do anyway. Go December July right. Well I think if they can do the the abbreviated playoffs in July and August. Then you take a break then you pick up Christmas of the way through and you just Redo the schedule and that becomes schedule. I I just think a lot of stuff is going to be different. And I'm solely reconciling with that in my head that just like whatever life was like up until six weeks ago is just not going to be life anymore and it'll be some different version of it you know it's depressing but This is like our version of a world war. You know like World War Two. Everybody's life was different during World War. Two and then it was different after. And maybe that's what this is going to be like. I hate that I hate it. Hate that you're saying it. I hate it all. Just give me some kind of treatment by the fall that I know I'm not GonNa die from this and let's let's just do it. Come on. We got smart people. Put it together. You would think there would be that one awesome doctor who just comes up with the comes up with something and then that guy does victory tour here that lady. Whoever it is it's like Dr so and so is on Jimmy. Kimmel live today. He's a hero in that person. It's just it's just everywhere that person goes he's treated like he's beyond say basically does that guy or that girl out there somewhere. In the meantime we have Jerry Jones picking CD lamb and then not knowing if there's going to be football which cheer people up with some parent corner Let's do it all right So there's a lot of time to rewatch things and I thought as a family we would sit down and watch Friday night lights one of my favorite dramas definitely one of the best dramas on network television. If you have to dig about right like what you put there lost not too many others. It's not ten bigger. Yeah right great. My son plays football. Probably won't in the fall now IOS probably gonNA forego was sophomore year football so I was like all right. Let's sit down. Let's get some football. This way we sit as a family we watch it and I noticed my six year old every time. Lyla garrity is on. Tv What's her name. Jeeter's girl Callie make a Kelly. Yeah he lights up a little bit and he's watching. Yeah and he's like the make out scenes Jason Street for poor crippled Jason Street in the hospital. And there's her cheerleading and everything and she's just she's just perfect. The my six year olds. Look at it and I'm like a Harrison you you you like Lila don't you? And he's like no I don't and he takes a of popcorn he throws at me which is not good. Because we're trying to conserve calories here now you gotta go all over the floor and pick these kernels up but So he throws the popcorn at me and so I spend the next forty minutes trying to photoshop. A picture of Harrison looking lovingly at Lyla Garrity Kelly and I finally put it together and he sees it and he fricking goes nuts and you know one six year old. Just give it give it and yeah the beat the shit out of you. And they'll they spend like left and right like he was that. What was that done thing that Mr Miyagi had and and karate kid to where that thing he would move back and forth and supposed inspire? And that's what Arizona these wavebands hit me with a left and a right and left and right and it really went like twenty five times in the whole family turned on me there all pissed off and then like you better not put that picture on instagram. I was like why not? What the Hell would it is? His six year old friends on instagram. We're GONNA make fun of Omid for first of all. He's not going to school again for another eighteen months. And he's got no friends got no instagram account. What are you worried about? So that was a good day and a half with the family not talking to me or Lyla garrity jokes. I don't know how tall is but they do hit that sweet spot somewhere between six and seven where they're throwing the punches like that but they're all they're all balls like ranch near balls. Yeah balls lower legs. They hit this three month stretch. Where even though they're they're like these little crazy little people that you kinda feel like they can kick your ass? Because she's right. A barrage you and your testicles. There's no way to fight the boss it is. It's like Popeye cartoons is leaning over. Just going to town star is funny. They swing from side to side. And it's like five punches in the second get them off. Yeah Thai food's I've to have parent corners one is My son plays madden with some friend that he made. Somehow who lives in surf? Cisco's name is miles. Oh and they facetime too so it's definitely a little kid like we. We made sure. But it's become this running joke down in our house that Miles is a forty eight year. Old Man in San Francisco was spread so So child child seduction and all the terrible things like just a barrel laughs at the Simmons House Week. Six in court team like hey has miles or you guys you guys get department together like it's it's really. It's really getting dark but my daughter finally ended up having a quarantine date with With roll friend which entailed both of them wearing masks on my wife driving over to his house then spending an hour on the sidewalk. They hugged had the masks the whole time and then just interacted for an hour. Took a picture and then she drove off in. That counted as like a date. Really really meant a lot to her was really good to see him was the report. What the fuck is what has happened to the world. So why son? Same Same Age as your daughter as girlfriend. Same kind of thing really just. It was just last Saturday. We're like all right. You could see each other for forty five minutes and there was a hug When we weren't looking and then my middle kid tattled on them and it became another kind of war in the House that there was hugging. But yeah it's It's tough it's really. I don't know I don't know how we would put up with this over younger. We didn't have all this stuff. Well and then they all have the one friend who says the negligent parents say so just hung. He slipped overdue really. It's like all right well that that's that's not who cares. I can't control of some other families being jackasses You know so so now now you have to have somebody over like what is that. I think that is going to help. But that. Isn't that how it always. And we have the same kind of kid like their foot in California. The filling the skate parks with sand so these skateboarders are all over the place and there are some that are reckless and their friends with my son and they're slapping asses as they go by and it's like. Oh God what are you GonNa do? But wasn't this the idea what the what the iphone like? We waited as long as we could until our kids had like five friends. Who had an iphone? And then you had to get an iphone. Is it going to be the same thing with social distancing and sending them out in the world and are now maybe I think we have to create some story that we heard it's almost? Has We have to go like Apocryphal story of like. Oh man you hear about that. Redondo beach they let that kid have asleep had have a date. Her boyfriend came over but he was a symptomatic. And then now the whole house has a i. I'm GonNa work on that on the pot. I'm GONNA try to. I'll try to sketch out some fake story. Because that's what needs to happen. Some some fake scare story that can knock all the fourteen year olds off the scent can smart except they're all smart. They're smarter than us. So I don't know if it's GonNa really are well. This is GONNA lead to some of the most depressing net flicks teen Rom coms. We've had of people separated by the quarantine trying to get together. So what's going on with? Lock it in you got you guys are doing Internet shows or or doing some digital stuff that airs on the other shows that are back and yeah it's It's tough because you know this. This was this was a special week but what I guess all the May not going to be a lot going on and hopefully what do you think? He'll be back by June hockey baseball. And I I think German soccer comes back right. That's what they're so. Why then a golf led German soccer and we'll have baseball but still not for another month so you think that fight island that had Dana White was talking about. Is that a possibility. Because that kind of got me excited felt like blood work back. At least someone's thinking someone's thinking outside the box good for you Dana White and we're going to go. We have to walk to that island. Maybe we will you know Sunday. Life's going to be normal again. And we'll just be guessing the lines and lobby distant memory Because this is a pleasure as always good seeing you good job good job by you about bringing on closer men and one second. I for all of our sakes need to avoid crowds. Anyway we can right now. Well what if you need to go to the post office? What if you need postage to send out letters and packages don't worry stamps? Dot Com is here to help anything he do at the post office. You do it. Stamps DOT COM personally print. Us postage twenty four seven for any letter any package any class mail for anywhere leva for your milk area right outside wherever he lives schedule. 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The Minute Chuck Close Chairman All Right Chuck Close German on the line We're taping this before the NFL draft so sadly we don't get to hear his thoughts about Where people landed. But when you go on the record now this we're taping this Wednesday afternoon Where should have been drafted Well where do you think he's GonNa end? You think he's going to go third seven. Where do you think I mean where shooting Ben like? Yeah so I don't know where I would say that he is potentially the best player the draft worst the third or fourth glare in the draft. So I would say somewhere in job can but I mean it's it's hard to understand this idea that they can't they can't see him. They can't talk to them and they don't fully understand is hit but still say about this guy. Is You know. I Probably Watch more Alabama Games than any other team. Outside of the pack dwelt and he so rarely may bad throat was that I feel. I can almost remember everyone that he threw. It happens so rarely I mean burrowed was kind of the same way as a senior but that was that big jump. I just like like to a seems just so perfect to me but you know I i. There's a risk there's no question. Well it's all the health thing I mean. It's one hundred percent. People just worried that said these surgeries and what gets hurt again? And you know I. I see some concern being left handed. Which is surprising. I'm surprised that still is something. That people would factor in as as a potential issue but I like good southpaws when they become a factor and football like there was always this thing about how Bella check loved left. Footed punters like the ball came off. Weirdly off their foot and then you think the opposite way I guess but you know and then left handed or lefty field goal. Kickers was another one where things like. It just seemed like harder if you're lefty wood but there's no reason why it would have been harder. I WanNa talk to you about. We're going to do a much bigger podcast and like two weeks about just to the state of everything. You've been preparing for a quarantine for years. You've been consciously yes. Yeah you've been you've been ready for this moment for a long time so you know. I don't want to say you're vindicated. But you're just you were prepared okay. We'll say we'll say that for the next. I just wanted to talk about the Michael Jordan. Podcast because two things happen here. One is that this dotcoms. Everyone's excited about it. There's no sports than it happens. Is this whole thing. Everybody watches it or big. It's excited but then they're over the next two or three days. Some of the worst takes I've ever read in my life A complete disconnect we seemingly by age group where a lot of people who in the basketball media or basketball media jason or twitter people and it just becomes clear that they really had no idea basketball existed in a major form before. Like two thousand. I was shocked that people were so surprised. By how many things they learned just in the first two parts of the Jordan doc. I felt like I just knew these things intrinsically as did you but now I'm wondering is this just an age thing should even blame these people for not knowing this stuff. Well you blame them for not knowing it. I mean the things that we're learning in this Jordan documentary very you know if if you're if you're out there learning anything are a little bit ancillary to the Games themselves so they may be things you need to be around for to remember Are there like you know we? You ever very deep understanding and say like you know Wilt Chamberlain Bill Russell Nate Thurman but do you know all of the stuff about their life how they were perceived by the people around them. I don't know it's easier to learn about someone's basketball career then someone's sort of you know Kind of vague geared your. I don't know what you're talking about. I haven't seen what you're talking about now. No I haven't been looking but it's like I'm wondering what you're talking about. Well I saw a couple of basic ones people being shocked and surprised by the sixty. Three point game. Oh my God. That was amazing. I can't believe he did that. Which to me was always like this essential. I just assumed everybody knew about sixty three point Gabler. It's an odd thing. That's I guess or pippen not being badly woefully underpaid for the entire ninety S. I felt like that was such a crucial part of his entire narrative. And although I'll tell you this I had forgotten about his demand to be traded so kind of aggressively like