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Doc Rivers Emotional over James Blake Shooting

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42:04 min | 8 months ago

Doc Rivers Emotional over James Blake Shooting

"Keep hearing a fear. It's It's amazing. Why we keep loving this country. And this country that is back. And? It's just it's really so sad. I should just be a coach. And so often. Reminded of my color. We're the ones that need to be scared whether ones having to talk every. Every. Black Child. What white father has to give his son a talk about being careful if you get pulled over. It's just ridiculous and it just keeps getting keeps going. There's no charges retailer. No charges nothing. Alwa- asking you live up to the constitution. That's all we're asking for everybody. For everyone. An emotional doc rivers there rightfully. So in the wake of the shooting, I think it's eight times. His father said of Jacob Blake when he was walking to his car in front of his three young sons he's now paralyzed from the waist down I also WANNA mention to give some context of. His father served in the police force for thirty years just outside of Chicago and rose to lieutenant. Richard Jefferson joining us now Stephen. With you. What's your reaction as a black man and what you just saw from doc who you know as a friend? I was sad to see him that way. To see him a hit so emotionally by it. but not surprised because I see it everywhere I go. I think molly you've seen in your home, with Jalen. I think Max, you seen it from some some of the black friends that you have particularly to myself. Walis of the world and others are I know you've seen it? I was born in the Bronx to raised in Hollis Queens New York City and I've been dealing with it all my life. And I think the frustration and the pain at least a portion of it. Comes from. The the unwillingness. Or the incapability. Of So many white folks in this nation. To understand and truly grasp. What black. Americans are saying. The rules are not different. Think about what Doc rivers said because I obviously know a lot of. I am not one but I know a lot of conservatives and they listened to Doc rivers and they talked about appeal from him saying you know the GOP stoking fear and stuff like that. So you're on the other side because you're thinking about the Democrats and you're thinking about things from a political perspective and you're looking at and questioning what have they truly truly done for the African American community why don't you all point the finger? At them, and then you have Democrats that saying look at the Republicans look at the gop when they ever had your interest at heart at least over the last fifty years because obviously they pushed legislation to the desk, Lyndon Johnson in nineteen, sixty four. So civil rights legislation, and ultimately the voting rights act in nineteen sixty five to take place and we know about that. But what everybody's missing as we talk about in this day and age? More importantly, than anything else has nothing to do with politics, it has everything to do with the blatant unfairness that is exercised against black Americans you cannot have a Dylann. Roof shoot nine people in a church in. South. Carolina and there's a nationwide manhunt out for him. You find him you arrest him not only do you not shoot him not only is he not physically harmed but en route to the jail, you stop to get him some McDonald's or Burger King you. CanNot Watch Walter Scott running away and be shot in the back and listen to a police officer tried to justify that you can't have an officer kneeling on the neck of George Floyd for eight minutes and forty six seconds a right the last two and a half minutes he was unresponsive and the officers still said I felt the need to do that and find a way to justify or explain it or talk about he was resistant to the police prior to this that. Because we don't see nor do we hear about that being disseminated? About White folks, you don't hear about white folks being resistant. You don't hear about White folks getting shot. You don't hear about the inequity that exists white people in comparison to black. If you don't hear about all of those things and Doc rivers getting emotional and being upset, it's because in the end he scared and in the end, there's a whole bunch of people that scared because we are literally literally finding ourselves where if we get pulled over by the police, we are praying for ticket. We. We'll be happy if we walk away with ticket 'cause we scared now we're going to get shot. This is what the fear is reality or not, and clearly it's a reality for far too many of us. The bottom line is that's the culture that we're living in and so because of that, if you can't understand that that is a fear that white people don't have to wake up every day and deal with they don't have to be Vince Carter where he has to carry his. Ide- to his own meal bots just to verify and validate that he actually lives in this neighborhood don't think the wrong things about him. You can't have a situation. Where is excuse me people again pulled over by the police and for some reason, eight different cops six different cops surrounding your car and a guy is putting his hand on his gun because you asked what I do. These are the kind of things. White folks in America don't have to deal with and until they recognize that. Recognize, it's not just with law enforcement. It's also with corporate America because the inequity how white folks are treated compared to how black folks are treated in corporate America, that's relevant about the media the message that we've disseminated how much of a role do we play as the fourth estate a contributing to the fears that the that the masses in America have towards a black man just by the very sight of him, we have something to do with that because of the message has been perpetuated. Perpetrated about black men and black people these are the kind of things that are going on and it gets to a point where is just so damn exhausting. It hurts so much I feel where doc rivers is coming from I. Totally understand that I watched Ryan. Clark this morning with his profound statement or get up it was so special watch him articulate. So eloquently, his message along with Dominique and Kimberly and all of those votes I get it I'm just a guy. I'm not surprised and no matter. America has shown me enough for me to say. No matter what you say. I don't have a reason to believe you. Because you know why you'll say we're listening. You'll say we here but there's nothing concrete and definitive that forces you to act. differently. That's just rhetoric if you just give me that it's not enough for me anymore. And it's not enough doc rivers anymore or does NBA players or those NFL players or black America period we're hip to the game. They play a game that we're really not a part of for the most part until they want us to be, and until that changed isn't inequity visit unfairness that is so flagrant it will make you cry and that's what we saw from Doc rivers last night. Yeah. Well stocks emotions. there. were. Significant. Because, he's A. Do Guy who it sounds a little bit like he feels like he's run up against the wall like like a helpless feeling when he says, you know what's it GonNa take for America to love us back but I think what he's pointing to is. It's not a at a certain point. It's not about what must be done by black people. It's it's it's a white people issue black life has been cheap in this country since the founding of America. It's been cheap and it needs to get more expensive and by the way, I hear sometimes from people who like this kind of white grievance politics what about black on Black Crime Poverty. Produces. Crime and black on black crime is a crime that is poverty plus proximity because the crime will be committed. Against those who you live near right that is not about black life being cheap to black people. That is that is not the issue that we're dealing with here. We're dealing with the idea that black life has been cheap in America. The threshold for Dead Black bodies is high and always has been, and that's what doc I think is saying needs to. Change when is the country going to love us back? That's about changing white mainstream and the reason we have the situation we now do where a group of people are impoverished compared to other groups even though they've been here for many many generations is the original crime of this country has never been redressed. It hasn't been addressed let alone re dressed and. What you're seeing now, maybe young people including young white people saying wait a minute. This is some bs you know and and athletes do and peop- figures in the sports world do have cultural currency especially with young people and hopefully the shifting attitude because as Dr Martin Luther King said the moral arc of justices long. But sorry, the moral arc of history is long but bends towards justice. Hopefully, those attitudes will become mainstream truly before too long I will say as much as as things hasn't haven't changed that's systemic because when we talk about police brutality, we're seeing a reaction to it that clearly as saying now in mainstream culture, this is not okay but we're really talking about things like police unions resisting change lobbying spending millions of dollars to resist real reform. That's this specific issue. But the broader issue is black life can no longer be cheap, and hopefully what we're seeing with the protests and the outraged reaction even in some segments in the mainstream means that will finally change. At but I think docs emotion reflects that kind of frustration and helpless feeling because it can't be black people that change it. It has you have to change the minds of those entrenched in power. Docs words were were extremely tough for me. My father passed away. Just two weeks ago from from lung cancer, and he was a veteran he served in the military so. It you know. It's OK guys. You know the point that I'm trying to make is my father had a military service. He had a flag over his over his coffin. And as the two soldiers folded the flag in, handed it to my mother. They said, thank you for your service. And so black people have served in this Miller Terry when doc rivers, my father was a cop, my father. You in this country, you know these are the things that that that Stan very, very close to us. So when I watched that flag over my father's Coffin and You know. It just to me. It just becomes something that is very very. Difficult in in this country when you feel like the country doesn't love you back because. So many black people have given their lives not only just for. You know the wars and and as service but for for social justice, people have lost their lives for this and so like people do love this country, we don't want to leave. We don't want to go back to Africa but we want this country to be better, and that's the part of statements that really struck. Me In a different way mainly because. My mom was handed a flag just a week and a half ago, and so that flag in this country does mean a lot to us, but it doesn't mean that this country can't be better and doesn't need to be better. One of the things that. I wanted to touch on appreciate it, and I'm so sorry for your for your loss Jay I. Really I really mean that Max. Kellerman. Pointed out about white folks and white folks need to do in house a white folks problem and I. and I appreciate that sentiment so much Max because I think it's important to recognize that. That's really if we really get down to it RJ, that's really our only hope for the true change that we're looking for what happens is is that people don't understand what you're talking about systemic racism it is a system. It doesn't mean that every white person you look at as a bad person I've religiously said this over the airwaves of ESPN if you are a white person who is not racist and Who was not prejudice and you don't look at black people as inferior and you don't conduct yourself in an underhanded fashion and things of that nature. We're not talking about you. So don't personalize it because one of the problems I think existing America too many white people who actually innocent of some of the accusations that have been leveled against the white community they end up looking guilty because they're so interested in defending. White folks that they don't realize. We're not talking about you. We're only talking about the people who engage in such activity and the system itself and the manner in which it was designed and the reason why your words are so important Max they matter so so much because when you talk about systemic racism obviously who's running the system and it's usually older folks they created it they set the standard, they upheld it they continued it, etc. they let it operate into perpetuity supposedly all of these things go on, but there's a young white generation that said, Dan. Say That appears to be saying damned that because now you're making life hellacious for us because folks are raised enough. And rising up and saying enough is enough because of what you have done. So as a result whether it's mom dad GRANDPA or whatever in the white community figuratively speaking they're saying enough enough there is a change that needs to take place and that is the hope literally, it appears to be one of the only hopes that we have available to us as black people that change will really take place that the younger generation of white folks will stand together with black folks and say these iniquities exacted by our older generation of some white folks has to stop that is what needs to transpire, and if we have any reason to hope, I, think it's because we're seeing that. In the streets of America, with some white folks really collaborating white with black folks because we all Americans and at the end of the day, we've got to come together in order to make this work. We're not going to make this work being divided. We've got to come together at some point. I don't think it's coincidental. The Dr Martin Luther King is being disgusting quoted so much nowadays because I've heard what I'm about bandied about recently quite a bit in the media and I think that's because we're facing. Reckoning it's a moral reckoning right now unlike we've had in terms of the civil unrest of it, all since the civil rights movement. And the quote is in the end, we'll remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends and Steven when you talk about. White folk who are not racist I think there's a strong sentiment nowadays that it's not enough to not be racist. You have to be anti-racist. You have to speak up correct and I think that we're seeing much more of that now than we have in the past, but it took a disastrous response to a pandemic by the federal government. Along with a kind of political earthquake over the last four years in order to bring this moment of reckoning about. But it does seem to me that it's here now and the question is, will it be sustained? Loco is. Back. With fresh new haircut Max Europe I though to make. Aaron Donald Are they poised to have a bounceback season didn't make the playoffs last year next year they'll have seventeen. So if there are seven teams this year technically they would've made it. Well first of all, they won nine games so much better than a nine game nine win team I. Don't know a bounceback season to the levels of the year before. The running back to the draft in the second round is very good but whether or not he can be. Todd Gurley is another question they were killing them with play action with Todd. Gurley a couple years ago and maybe the League caught up. But, they're not like a thirteen wind team on paper to meet. Could they win an extra game to make the playoffs? Yeah. It's possible. But the NFC West is the best division in football and that's the division in which they're competing the worst team in the division on paper got a lot better especially considering the quarterbacks going to be ascending and the top two teams are juggernauts both capable of winning a super bowl right now. So so so the rams bounced back not to the previous season, but maybe a ten win team maybe the play offs even that I think the odds are not in their favor. Of course, it's not nef able. So bounce back as far as up concerned the forty niners and the seahawks, a better teams in the NFC west is not to say that that the Los Angeles Rams can't do things Donald's the real deal defense is not that real offensively speaking todd Gurley as gone because he didn't have that great of a year played about fifteen fifteen games. Thousand yards averaging about three point eight yards per carry I believe in the brother. But I also believe that he's been hobbled. He's been far from one hundred percent and I think that showed itself Robert Woods Cooper Cup. Obviously your thousand receivers. They can do some things. We get all of that Jared Goff. However, do sixteen interceptions only completed about sixty two percent of his passes. There have been speculation as to why he was guaranteed one hundred and ten million dollars. So Sean McVeigh got some things to prove. It got some things to get together and we understand that but I think that. It's really not a matter of whether or not there a decent enough team. Are they capable of having a bounceback here? Sure would do we predict that they will in order to predict that you have to assume they're going to have a better season. Then Seattle they're going to have a better season than the San Francisco Forty niners and I don't think that when you look at both of those teams particularly on both sides. Of The ball that you look at the rams as being a superior team. So I would think it's more of the same, another nine and seven season. It wasn't enough to get the rams to the playoffs last year I don't know whether it'll be enough to get them to the playoffs this year but I doubt it I see San Francisco and Seattle the two teams in the NFC West to look out for not the rams. I mean I have to agree with these guys and I hate it because I love showing mcvay I, think Aaron Donald from a positional player standpoint has the largest gap between himself in the second best player whether you think there's Chris Jones, Fletcher cots or any of those guys because Aaron Aaron Donald was that dominant Jalen Ramsey. Highest paid corner in the League I. Think you look at Jones and rap at the safety position they can be good defensively but not great. You guys had mentioned. Cam Acres can makers is the do it all? Back Todd Gurley can. You can make some place but McKell roby. Coleman said something about Carson Wentz that I found very interesting. He talked about Carson Wentz his leadership in the fact that he takes ownership of the team, and whether this is a low bar to set for quarterback this is Lavar that was set by your previous quarterback. He said I was shocked that Carson Wentz knew my name. If that is what you leave the rams with a from leave from the rams that think that as long as a quarterback can learn my name he's actually trying to be a leader of a team. That's not a good look for jared. Goff Jared Goff regress last year because the play action game regrets because the office of line wasn't as good as it was the previous year because Todd Gurley was hurt what's the state at that run game comes back and now when you put more on Jared Goff's shoulder can't Sean McVeigh find ways to scheme of things to get him pass. I don't think this is a bounce back year. I think this is a year that's much of the same, and now you look at the cardinals getting better. Obviously Seattle and San Francisco being two of the dominant teams in the NFC. You also throw in. Tampa Bay in there. Now you have the Atlanta Falcons I think sending in the NFC south as well. There's too many teams in the NFC to think that the rams end up back on top of it. I believe they had a very small window. They didn't capitalize on that window you give jared, Gulf? One ten and I think you continue to take step backwards this team is about a nine and seventeen again to me. And you gave they gave Todd Gurley a lot of money that turned out to be a mistake but I want to say one thing about running back here when you have a guy, I know running backs are easily replaceable because you bring up camakers and you should be very good. But when you have a guy like girly who's special like in his there's some guys where short careers abbreviated careers but the contemporaries who audience who watched them or like know that dude was. Gurley was so extra David even the Super Bowl season where they were they made it right exactly where they made it to the Super Bowl because he was physically compromised toward the end of the season, the rams stopped being the rams really right like that was not quite the down. We'd seen till then and when he was full strength and McVeigh could really put him to use the rams looked like the chiefs look now. Right. So one thing about running backs is, yes there are fungible and all that stuff. But when you got US special one someone like McVeigh could he can make use that running back to make the quarterback, look all world to make the offense look all world that guy's gone and it's really tough to replace a crime todd Gurley an uninjured prime todd Gurley. So what was special about the rams to me is not there anymore. Bottom is the head coach running backs. He's the head coach of the football team, and so is his job to find a way to work around it. I Cooper Cups, not a scrubber woods is data sculpt higby. Let's see what can makers has gone on. But Sean McVeigh was considered the boy genius not because of the running ability or catching ability atomic girly. Todd Gurley it was his play calling. It was his play calling that was was applauded and lauded Ad Nauseam. Guy That should have been the coach of the redskins because he was with the redskins. Under their previous coaching, what have you the Gruden? So this kind of stuff that was being said about him, I understand that that that that Todd Gurley is a stud when healthy but the reality is, does the National Football League the one thing you can consistently assume. Y Y Y without delay is that somebody's going get hurt that's just how it goes and so you've gotta find a way to work around that. That's why you get todd Gurley you gay Jared Goff One, hundred, ten, million guaranteed dollars does because Jerry I'm saying talked early not being there why I I'm just saying if you if Utah Girl I'm sorry you're jared Goff. You've got to find a way to overcome that because your quarterback of the team these are the kind of things that we're looking at. You're going up against San Francisco Seattle because you don't have questions about San, Francisco's defense and you're damn show don't have questions about Russell Wilson. Oh you're right that if McVeigh if the McVeigh golf combination was truly elite, you're right about that. I think what we're saying here is it's not it's mcvay as much as we all think of them and office at least a solid quarterback right but offers not elite in the combination of mcvay Goff is not you know one of the best tandems in football was making it look that way I think was a prime time back who could do so much so well that he gave you a premium if we don't have. Or Ryan note we on that team fine if that's what they need. and. Ryan knows tell McVeigh does. Yes. So maybe the thing that Sean mcvay did better than anyone window-dress right? There was a lot of motions a lot of jets weeks, and now you had opportunities to get Todd Gurley in one on one match of situations with people that couldn't get him on the ground Todd Gurley was the touchdown score, Todd Gurley. was what moved the chains and? Action what showing mcvay now has to figure out is this can makers day guy and if cam makers isn't that guy, how do you implement into the system to help jared goff this all comes back to the quarterback. How does he play the best when you look at toward the end of the season when they lost to the Chicago bears in the season, they get to the Super Bowl. It was pressure on Jared Goff couldn't get the run game going and that's when Todd Gurley started to get a little banged. Up If, CAM makers can bring that game back. Now we see the genius mcvay, the genes of mcvay was never in the passing game. It was in finding ways to disguise the run game to get easy big time Gash play runs that led to play action. That's where this team has to give back to. If they do not then we will not see them in the playoffs. We won't see them making a run and we definitely won't see them on Super Bowl. Sunday because that's the only way this offense works. TIME THAT WE HAVE THE FIRST GAME Of this with him more than lie tell them vigil basis all of that come to play and they'll have a we'll have a plan to recognize this what he's trying to do what he's trying to do it and everybody's going to be sensitive to on the other hand be sensitive to what it is. We're about we're out there to ask the fans to follow. The attended to us and we're well aware of. The issue and well aware of. Where a Dallas cowboys fans on it. Okay. That was cowboys owner Jerry Jones. They're discussing how he would want his players to protest potentially kneel before the anthem not during the anthem Stephanie. The fact that he's discussing this in the wake of the shooting that we've discussed all morning long is this era sponsored or even tone deaf. Is Tone deaf tone deaf and I think it's on purpose. Because the bottom line is, is that Jerry Jones? Just Jerry Jones cares about what he cares about now let Max get into that once I finished but I just think that the thing that's important to recognize the fact that again Jerry Jones has been missing in action for mumps upon offset of time and for Dallas Cowboys of Light demarcus Lawrence and others that would say we don't need to hear from Jerry. Jones. Do. You see now why we needed to hear from him because we need to know where he stands why? Because we knew where he stood before, you're one of the preeminent faces of the National Football League. If you Jerry Jones an incredibly powerful and influential owner. Okay. What you say has cachet it matters as he said himself, he speaks to president past and present he has spoken to commanders and chiefs of this nation so. When you have this mentality that you're not going to alienate or your fans, and you're not gonNA alienate people down there in the south I mean we understand where you're coming from. We get all of that question is when you go stand up Jerry because in the end, what does this come down to see we can look at business and that's one argument the other argument could be made is that you're you're seventy seven. Years Old. If I remember correctly you are a billionaire, you don't have to worry about your quality of life dissipating. You don't have to worry about being harmed ain't nobody going bother jerry it's simply a matter of do you agree with these players who happened to be black some of whom wear your uniform? Do you agree with them and are you sensitive you sensitive to the plight that they have articulated and so many black people? We are enduring on a day to day basis. Do you care about that? Or do you care about appeasing those who ain't going through such things and don't give a damn because those are the two sides basically, the inbetween stuff is a different matter for different day and that involves business and that involves your constituents and then a boss you're your fan base and all of that stuff we get that part. But is two diametrically opposed sides and in Jerry's case because he opened his mouth about Colin. Cap Nick and was defiant about what his players would do. He wanted to talk about him. He was talking about what anybody wearing his uniform would do even if they're black even if they're disenfranchised even if they're persecuted even if they're treated unfairly, he said I don't give a damn I'm GonNa make that call. For you. So if you're listening to Demarcus Lars, that is why we say where yet, Jerry we look at for you, Jerry. We need to find you jerry. We need to hear what you are what your feelings sits George Floyd with killed. We need to heal and this jerry way. Yeah. Because we needed to understand exactly where he stood in when he had an opportunity to speak what did he say? I'm GonNa Talk About Grace Grace. Is What is what the order today is all of this other stuff that amount to nothing. And we're not use to hearing Jerry Jones saying nothing. That's the problem here. So to me I'm not surprised but it's much ado about nothing and Jerry Jones is just essentially letting us know where he stands way stands by not standing at all. For something. Jerry Jones wants everyone's money period, and that's what you were referring instead maxwell but he just wants to he wants your money was everyone patronizing the cowboys that's all and at first he thought he's going to take a little bit more of a hard line stance of outstanding for the anthem because the mainstream supported it, he didn't think there was to be a be a bigger financial hit looking at his bottom line a bigger bigger financial hit. From the mainstream there would be from the counterculture in this case, and then as the counter cultural movement grew, he thought wait a minute. Okay. Maybe I have to placate both sides and now he doesn't even know which side he should really appease because. You put your finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. It ain't blowing four hey, these anthem protests are a terrible thing just a fringe kind of thing in our culture. So it's it's become mainstream just wants the money. I don't know what he what he really believes wouldn't stop him. I'm sure he has his preferences but. Not, deeply held enough. For him to stand on principle out about something if it's going to cost him the dope by the way. Team owners as far as I understand, it cannot unilaterally make rules about what how players should participate in ceremonies. I don't know if everyone players really understand this when John says, our players are going to do X.. If they don't. There's really nothing he can do. There's a league wide policy which once upon a time said, you're not required to stand for the anthem, which is you know in my view Steven if it were challenged. Is Unconstitutional and I. I don't think that elite can say you must pair it. You're the owner of this team's political speech which standing for the anthem is if sitting for, it's a protest healing for Stanford it's all that speech them standing for it's also speech. It's just coincides with the owners of the team and I don't think that they can do that I i. my guess is First Amendment protections would extend to the workplace. In that case, I don't know I'm not a legal scholar. But. I can't say that if the NFL adopts a policy that no, you don't have to stand then you don't have to stay doesn't matter with Jerry Jones says if the NFL Dente Dopson Dopson policy well, you don't have to participate in the ceremony but if you're on the field then you do and if you don't WanNa, be don't beyond the field for the ceremony that's fair and then if the players out on the field for the ceremony I suppose they can be compelled to stand Forced to stand if they're on the field if that's the. Looks like Max taking some of their hits there again. I'll just wrap by saying this. I think it's a joke that he's trying to control how these players should potentially protest, and obviously this is a serious subject but Stephen a question in terms of the grace and whole thing that was. On. The mood in a very heavy show because it it was just. That was so good. You this molly, let me say this to you. I have had the place. And I do mean this when I say this the pleasure of talking to Jerry Jones on a few occasions came actually gave me a birthday wish off I take I actually I actually got a Lotta love for the man I just vehemently disagree with his position on this particular matter I'm very far to Jerry Jones. He's a brilliant businessman I get where he's coming from but the problem that he has to understand and I sincerely hope he is watching and listening because I love the man I really love Jerry Jones I truly do Jerry Jones you have to understand this the problem ain't so much what how you feel we could disagree about that but that's okay It's that you're trying to dictate how others feel and how they should act based on what they feel when you have no identification whatsoever. With the fashion in which they've been persecuted and the way they've been treated all of their lives as black men. That's what Jerry Jones has to get step away and leave them alone to react in whatever way they choose, and if you've got gotta take a little hit, take it because doing it. This way trying to control things is what's making Jerry Jones look so bad. Breaking News on. ESPN the Indiana Pacers fired coach, nate McMillan on Wednesday today less than three weeks. After announcing he would keep the job for two more years. Team officials made the announcement forty eight hours after the Pacers suffered their second straight first round sweet McMillan went one, eighty, three and one, thirty, six and four seasons with the Pacers going to the playoffs each season Stephen A. Your take on. Initially meaning a few minutes ago when we heard this news Max and Molly I was stunned. Of because just literally two weeks ago they gave him a contract extension. And then I looked it up again and it was one year. And that put me in my NBA hat on there have been many occasions throughout NBA history where you're giving a one year extension. So when you're pushed out the door you at least a guaranteed. Some of that money if not all of it for that additional year to provide you a cushion. So you're taking care of even though you might be out of a job you feel what I'm saying and so what happened is that when we look at nate McMillan everybody knows I scream and Holler go to hell off about the paucity of opportunities, for African, Americans particularly on the executive level of SP in the NBA. Jerry. Is African these black but he calls his own shots all the black folks that you see in executive positions in the NBA a meaning GM. Operations that kind of stuff they don't they don't get final say on these matters and a lot of situation whereas Jerry does so is one of nine. And that needed to be addressed, and obviously the number of black coaches that used to exist that number has dissipated as well. I've even got on NBA players for not speaking up more about that. But in this case with nate McMillan I must say although I think that he's a quality. Do I think he's a damn good head coach I think that he's done a good job in indy I cannot blame Kevin Pritchard in the Indiana Pacers for firing him and the reason why is because even though he's taken them to the playoffs all four Years. He's been coach Max. He's been bounced out in the first round every year with the exception of two thousand, seventeen, two, thousand, eighteen. If I recall correctly when he victor Oladipo those boys took Lebron James to a game seven, the other three years including the last two he has been swept Perseus by Lebron last year swept by Boston. Even Dole was without Victor Oladipo that nasty injury and then of course, he's back but they swept by Miami and so as a result in the sixteen games you in a sixteen postseason games that you've played. You've lost thirteen. That gives an organization to right to say we respect you. We love you. We believe that you can be a head coach in this game, but we feel the need based on this trend that we need to go in a different direction. I cannot fall Kevin Pritchett in the Indiana Pacers for making this move. It is much as I respect nate McMillan and as much as I believe he deserves to be a head coach. In the NBA, I cannot blame the paces feeling we need to move in a different direction. Pritchard's a hell of a GM. McMillan's a hell of a coach and I can fault the Pacers through this for this move Stephen Eight first of all. The Pacers really don't have like a transformational talent on the team all the is the closest thing to it. The closest thing to the best player on a championship team that they have, and he's not quite that but he's the closest thing to he's a fair approximation of and he's clearly not one hundred percent and they don't have Sabon and so of course, they're not going to beat this team this Pat Riley, lead you know Spoelstra coached organization where you have Jimmy Butler and like we can go on and. The shooter's the defender the only thing they don't really have is size but but. Of course, of course, they're not going to be the Lebron, James? Lead. Team. Specially with Kyrie Irving and Kevin love like they're not that good and as good a job as as the GM is done he has put together really a championship roster nate McMillan is one of the best coaches in the NBA in my view I, think this has a lot to do with Dan. Tony you've brought it up. Hey, for Titas got to see Dantonio really do something or he could be made available and they're saying Oh, one year this lines up we're GONNA get a position to make a run at Dan Tony who they must feel better coach than nate McMillan but otherwise, I don't know by the way be a hell of a coach and McMillan available for a team needs one. But Max you got to remember one thing if they're saying he's a bad coach. We don't want them sometimes it's about we need another voice we shouldn't be getting swept. We might have lost in the first round but getting swept sent different kind of message particularly when it's three times in four years we all know that nate McMillan coach and we know there's a plethora of coach of jobs that He. would be more than qualified for particularly if he potentially was in a big market if he had access to even more marquee players but based on what you're seeing with him is I think it's perfectly reasonable for Kevin Pritchard to say listen you might be better off somewhere else. But in this particular situation, we simply may have run off course and new net moving a different direction I can respect every year. Every year you and I bring his name in terms of the coaches of the year he's he may not ever it like it'd be our number one but he's met honorable mention coach every year. Situation I. Like to see him in a different situation other than Indiana.

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NBA Mar. 3 | What You Need To Know

The Free Agents

12:00 min | Last month

NBA Mar. 3 | What You Need To Know

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Call one eight hundred nine with an indiana. Promotional offer not available in nevada. All-star events participants have been announced but things are different this year. The hawks played their first game. Since letting go coach pierce so are they. Good now an. Mvp candidate nicole. Yokich is chasing wilt chamberlain for one particular record. Hey i'm tesla's and this is what you need to know in the nba. Alright so the lineups. For all star sunday events are here everything take place on sunday including the all star game this year and the three point field is fantastic. It's down to six from eight. But it is packed with steph curry devon booker donovan mitchell. Two celtics jason tatum and jaylen brown. Plus zach levine rounding out the field. We miss klay thompson. But that is a star studded. Three point lineup. Ask for the dunk contest. The names not in it or the bigger headline than the ones in it. Because zion williamson anthony edwards and miles. Bridges declined invites according to yahoos. Chris hints. That would have been ridiculously good. Science anthony edwards at the dunk of the year and miles bridges. Who's been thrown down on passes from lamelo ball. He could have been there throwing alley. Oops that would have been incredible. Even alex caruso turned down an invite according to bill. Orem the athletic alex caruso. That's shocker. there are only three participants this year. That's down from four i. They're trying to speed things up a little bit now. These guys can also throw down even though they're not big names. Rookie obi toppin is the big man. Dunker of the three. The big man dunker can be hit or miss a we top and has been thrown down this year for the new york. Knicks unlimited minutes pacer second round rookie pick caches stanley out of duke. A name many don't know but had a higher vertical lens. Zion at duke. He's kind of the medium sized guy in this competition at six five. So i guess they got the better guy than zion williamson right cash a stanley that sarcasm. For and blazers anthony simon's rounds out this lineup. He's the little guy at six three. Oh we top and cash a stanley anthony signs it just takes one to have a good night and make it a good show. Good luck to those guys. Also there's a skills challenge. I'm not going through the lineup. You know how it goes. They throw it through the hoops. it's big versus malls. Smalls versus bigs moving onto a little basketball. The hawks they beat the miami heat in atlanta's first game since firing head coach. Lloyd pierce the heat scored only eighty points in. Yeah the hawks were after it. Defensively trae young was hitting the floor getting after it defensively as was his team teams. Often do this when a coach is fired. They wanna show that. Hey it's his fault that we weren't a good team not us look at us. We're working hard. I don't think that this is a sign. Atlanta will automatically be a better team even though they held miami to eight points. Okay i take that back because they are going to get better. Because they're getting some of their guys back bogged down bogdonovich hadn't played in two months. He played in this. One was a huge off season. Acquisition fourth year player. Several teams wanted in the offseason interim coach. Nate mcmillan will benefit from that. I thought the athletic article. Outlining the way lloyd. Pierce butted heads with some of his young players produced by sam. Amick chris kirschner and david aldridge was very interesting but to me it was outlining a guys a bunch of young guys who just kind of feel entitled and lloyd pierce whether he stubborn and wasn't held her din hold himself accountable for some of the losses as the article pointed out. It indicated to me that the young guys weren't ready to be good players. A run ready to be championship level. Players and hold themselves accountable. Now that may change under coach. Nate mcmillan maybe this shakeup will just force the guys to grow up in this game. Trae young played like coach. Nate mcmillan did with the seattle sonics distributing. He wasn't a shooter for much of the game. He was a playmaker. He only scored eighteen points but got hot in the fourth hitting three big. Three's turn the game around against the miami heat team that didn't have jimmy. Jimmy butler i think the orlando magic game. On wednesday for the hawks will be more of an indicator. As to how good this atlanta team will be even though orlando is further down in the standings. Then the hawks. I think those games after this first game shine is kind of off of the hawks is a better indicator of what this team will. Be moving on the grizzlies. Mop the wizards the grizzlies are having a good season. Despite a ton of injuries memphis's backup point guard. Anthony melton had six threes versus washington. Maybe you don't know d. anthony. Melton i understand but i bring them up because memphis has been so impressive and a model for how officers should build small-market teams in the nba. Melton was not excelling in phoenix. The grizzlies new. He was a better player so they plucked them in a trade and got that former. Second round. Pick on their roster. So how do you build a small market team in the nba. Well a big part is the draft. The grizzlies were bad so they are able to select jami rant at the number two spot and jaren jackson junior at the number four spot. Then they got good. At drafting. Dillon brooks in the second round. They may draft day trades for rookie desmond. Bain brandon clark xavier. Tillman another second round guy. They use the cap really well. They were able to trade. Andre iga dollar for justice winslow because they had cap room to ingest iga dollars big salary in the first place. Jonas fell in tunis trade. They got grayson allen in a trade and the only free agents. They're able to sign as a small market team. That can't really sign big free agents. Or kyle anderson and thomas jones and they're sixteen and fifteen. Despite all those injuries. I mentioned to some of their best players a great story this year clippers and boston. Boston has been up and down this year but kemba walker continued his climb back from injury to his excellent water. Bug himself out. Kemba had twenty five had six threes this season for him. Best news for the celtics. Marcus smart is working out and should be back. After this weekend's all-star break sometime next week hopefully also good news robert williams at the center spot finishing games for them as their backup center. Fun to watch that guy get. After on the boards they will be looking for trade at the deadline. Coming up later this month and from the clippers side and get that achey feeling about them watching them. Unable to close games. It feels like last year. They lacked chemistry. of course. they didn't have kawhi leonard in this game. who was out with back spasms. So am i being a hater. It's just hard not to watch this team and get those feelings of last year. When they crumbled in the postseason they started the season. Twenty one and eight. There are three and five over their last eight games. It's probably just me. Getting those bubble feelings back after watching them last year in orlando now set forth in the western conference because the sun's continue to rise in the standings. The sons have passed the clip after knocking off the champs speaking of good stories first playoff appearance. Twenty ten coming up for phoenix. The sons are fifteen and three over their last eighteen. And despite devon booker getting ojected versus the lakers their depth was enough more than enough against a depleted laker squad. The skilled dario cop their bench and lead their team in the fourth without book. Ten of dario one came in the fourth. I love watching. Dario play. And i love saying dario sharokh. Lebron had thirty eight but with no. Anthony davis marcus. Solar kyle kuzma The sons were just too deep for them. The lakers want the all-star break now with all of their injuries and covid related protocol problems. Only one more game for them before the break. It's the kings on wednesday speaking of kings. Denver's nicole yokich is a king on the basketball floor. Denver destroyed the bucks and yannis who mimed putting lebron crown on his own head. last season. remember. That was that last season. I i said i take yokich for granted recently. It's hard not to. I gotta be honest. It's hard not to thirty seven. Eleven and tan. He just makes the game look so easy. His fiftieth career triple double. That is the second most for a center. Ever the first well it's wilt of course will chamberlain had seventy eight career. Triple doubles nicoli. Okay it's going to pass that maybe even next season. What a jared dudley. This bucks nuggets game was. It was the best showing of the denver nuggets season. they destroyed milwaukee. They've won three in a row and are five games about five hundred for the first time. This season. the western conference finalists from last year. Finding their way finally finally. I'm done with that story. The spurs beat the knicks canadian. Trey lyles led san antonio with eighteen points. Lyles is the ninth player to lead the spurs and scoring the season tying memphis for the most in the league disperse quietly five games above five hundred and tied for fifth in the west. That's it for me. Make sure you check out the full. No dunks episode here on wednesday. I'll be back on thursday to give you the news as fast as i possibly see that don.

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Closing the door on the Houston Rockets

Premium Hoops

43:34 min | 7 months ago

Closing the door on the Houston Rockets

"Welcome to another edition of prime WHO's podcast? I'm your host Mark Schindler joined today by my colleagues, Evans Alpha and Scott Levine. This is my third time recording the Intro, but we finally have it down this time. We have a lot of stuff to get into today and we're going to start off by talking about the rockets because there's a lot to impact there. Obviously, Mike Dantonio is now a free agent per the All of the Presley's press releases that have come out. But I think the first thing I want to talk about it is he really a free agent and I feel like this was just kind of a I'm going to leave before I can get fired kind of thing based on the reporting had leading up to this. How do you? What do your guys thoughts right away on Game Five and Mike Dantonio exit from Houston. Well. I think Dean Tony did the right thing because the tillman for hired him he making a huge mistake in my opinion Dean Tony is a great coach. He's going to be highly sought after now that he is I believe I guess free agent. I'm excited to see where he ends up but I think the rockets are downhill from here unfortunately, which I hate to say because I've been a big fan of their experiment. Especially, since traded all of the centers on their roster. We'll get into that minute but Scott, how are you feeling about the Antonio leaving his wealth? I don't WanNa. Get too close to home for you mark. Contributor. In podcast host of indie corn rows but it is suspicious when you look at the timing. Of the dismissal of nate McMillan know did they have something worked out? What's year read their Mirena? Okay. So I this is not something that can be aggregated I. Don't have any concrete information on I do know that. I mean, his name has been widely floated with the. Pacers. For the last year on and I know you know I've spoken to some people who cover the team as well. obviously more than I do with like a lot closer of availability and. They said that there have been some rumors of that for a while it's not just a prenatal being fired thing i. mean it just post neighboring fire thing. So I think entirely possible that there's deal worked out I know the Pacers have largely been trying I don't WanNa say smoke I. Think they're just vetting everyone I mean you saw how long the list was I felt like half these systems in the faulk NBA were on the search list for the next head coach candidate of the Pacers on I N. K. Keith, poppy of the Philadelphia Inquirer and lockdown sixers. Run article today saying that while he will be pursued by the sixers he has it that the the pacers are the leading candidates. To hire Mike Dantonio for him to go there. So I think I'm not gonNA. Say It's locked up by any means NBA crazy shit happens sometimes you you brick twenty eighth straight threes maybe the Pacers brick twenty eighth straight interviews who knows But yeah, that's where I'm at right now I think it's entirely possible that there was. Something there but I'll I'll give the patients the benefit of the doubt. Yeah I mean. I'm sure more other teams are interested in Mike Dan Tony like. We've seen his name potentially come up with the PELICANS. I know the sixers. Wanted a hired him to potentially replace spread. Brown. Five years ago and Pacers WON'T BE THE ONLY SHOOTER Definitely not So you know going into the rockets now for me I think. A I remember when the last time we talked about the series I think was when We we talked about the second round together. I think it was the four of us who is you me a the three of us in cody we're a podcast together talk about the second round. And I think I actually picked the rockets or I lean more as like a six or seven game series for the Lakers. I mean I think? How would you guys up this round? Would you consider the failure of the roster or? Failure coaching were just the Lakers being better because I think that's where I lean. I know I just ask questions about the answer for myself. I think when you look at everything. For me. You know I'll let you I'll let you answer before I go on my long ran you guys take take the floor. If I'm trying to circle back to the questions I, had going into the series it was. Will you know Markeith Morris, Kyle Kuzma Rondo Caruso that combination of the four rotation guys who you feel. Okay. Leaving open will they make enough three? So check that that happened Will Russell Westbrook provide a viable release valve when harden gets doubled? On check. On, check and like. I guess will. Houston you know be able to move the ball and swing the Lakers to death. Which I think is. Probably the most. Exciting thing about this L. A. Team is just how much they made the game sludgy against a team that is very good at creating advantages in exploiting them. Yes. So I don't remember what prediction was for the series because little known fact about the business. If you do not remember what your prediction was, you cannot be held accountable for it. So receipts are getting pulled as we speak Evan yet please receipts, please film ideas and mentions with tape now I'm just kidding. Yeah. So like Scott said. The box unchecked that needed to be checked to the rockets to put the pressure on in this series was Russell Westbrook and I don't know how you guys feel about his performance. I. Mean I think we can all say pretty pretty flatly that it was bad. And realistically, the rockets need every. Every player on the court to be a threat for their ball movement to work especially if the other team's to double Hardin. Westbrook did not provide that release valve and in fact, was a solid negative on the offensive end especially with how much he turn the ball over. It's going to be interesting to see what they do with Russ going forward because this was a major gamble on the current core and especially on harden. It, I wonder how new coach depending who they're interested in will use Russ. I. Wonder Whether Russ will return to his athletic peak I. Personally think he will that he probably just came back from this injury a little too soon. But what do you guys think about arrests performance specifically in a little greater detail? Yeah it's on. It's interesting watching. It's so clear that he wasn't there and I don't know if you saw post game presser on, he was talking about he was like you know I never got right after coming back from covert and I think. For me I think this series and this last weekend for me were as moves chimes in the background This series for me was really just a reality check in terms of the bubble you know I think. I got so caught up with looking at the Games. And just thinking I'm watching NBA basketball and yes we are. But I think at the same time. It's hard to gauge things. I don't know what you're where you guys are out on this but I thought about it a lot with nate McMillan's firing talking about Mike, doone holes in his future with the box are really stepped back and thought. Like how it's it's going to sound really arbitrary. 'cause you know what we do and it's not our jobs yet but we spend a lot of time doing player Analysis and looking at it coaching an XS and Os and trying to understand the game. And it's just hard to know what we can really take from all this and I people clap back and say you know while they're playing they're out there. So you have to judge it, analyze it and I get that. But at the same time, I mean this scenario is wack like it's never happened for. And it's just a crazy crazy circumstances scenario. I mean, you look at I mean just with with Russ, we don't understand what Cova does to your body long-term. We don't understand how that factors in and even just looking at in terms of. How it impacted him in the moment I mean, it's clear. He wasn't there. He wasn't there athletically wasn't. Wasn't Russ than he was damned good this season I have been on the record saying I think the second half of the season he had this year was maybe the most impactful on. impactful runs had including his MVP sees I. Mean I just think the the way he was playing at how he was working offense was a his peak in terms of. Having impact on offense So I think about that and I think about coaching and you're like, I. mentioned million firing. Like, you think about like, how do you even justify firing someone in the scenario and you listened to Mike Malone talk about everything he said. He's been active about trying to get coaches families into the bubble on Anita's talked about today. One of his assistants was breaking down after the game last night because this was the seventieth straight game. Straight Day where they have been away from family so I think. I know that's a really random in arbitrary thing but like I was I've been thinking about that a lot lately it it really is filtered in for me and I think I try and fluctuate more towards I'm hopeful that next season we start to see a lot of guys who struggled return back to normal and I'm hoping that's what happens with Ross I'm not sure that it will but that's what I'm hoping for and I'm just trying to not take too much away from this in a negative light if that makes sense. and. That's the tough thing. Right is because we want to. Know, how this rockets team works in the playoffs you know outside of a crazy situation like this like we want to see does this rust and shooters thing will will lead to the same result as we've seen from previous Russell, Westbrook playoff runs or was this different? Is this going to provide the space to make it harder to game plan for Now. What we saw was obviously. Russet may be like fifty percent and we didn't get any of those answers, but I think the question remains. WAS A. Thriving in February march. Because teams game planning for them. Necessarily it was the regular season I know they were guarding centers but no, there's so much more you can do as the laker showed. Or? An, and is this something that would have happened anyway or is this the product of a? Limited Capacity Russell Westbrook. No that's a great question and I think. What I come back on now looking at it and looking at how the series went I think I come back to you know and especially with all the questions have been raised, you know. People blaming hardened for this and obviously you know he did not play great I think that's fair to put out as well. He well okay. In the first game, he did not believe it but for the most part yet good series I think you look at this Rosser and think this is not the roster that is going to maximize the style. You know I think a lot of people thrown out that this small can't work and you can't win as jump shooting team. And I think the point that I really just come back to is that. You can win as a jump shooting team. You have good jump shooters. This team is not happy that you have James Harden is an elite shooter obviously, the percentages aren't elite, but you know from the shots, he's taking it. He's an elite shooter who else you really count on this team to make a shot when you need them to. There's a lot of guys on the team who were volume shooters. There's nobody on the team who you can necessarily count on to make. Make three. When they have to I, think over eighty two games that works because you have guys taking a high volume of threes you hit enough them it helps you to win games when it comes down to this in your game plan I mean you saw the Lakers completely just trying to run them off three point line so you had a lot of guys who cannot hit a contested three what what you said kind of illustrates why superstars ultimately control the League because if you have like a guy like Robert Covington or PJ Tucker who's all of a sudden like A you excellent shooter. You have just south of Kevin Durant right and it's very hard to find guys who can do both. If they're going to prioritize, you know getting Tucker and Covington types Tuchen Mimic rim protection it's going to be very hard to find Enough three point shooting if that's just not they're able to prioritize. I tend to agree with you got. So I don't really WanNa make any sweeping referendums on the idea of playing small the idea of planning the variance like shooting more threes. More layups in issuing the mid range It's a tough call because like you said, the situation is so different from any other playoff run bitterly ever. I mean, we don't know we like you said, we don't know how covert affected Russ we won't know that until there's a longitudinal study done by PhD's at some high level university or something like that. You now we we don't know how maybe you know the sight lines affected Russ's shooting It seems like players in general have shot better from three. And I seen some statistics though I don't have them in front of me that that lean towards that. It could have affected negatively especially since he didn't get to spend too much time on the court leading up to the more important later rounds of the playoffs and. So, you. Mentioned that we don't want to make any. Claims that are negative. Any big claims that are negative. Very now I also think we could see the other side of the coin next season as well with some of the guys who have performed really well in the bubble because I think some of the guys that are performed well in the bubble. Were guys where it was on the record that they were taking that that hiatus that break due to the covid shutdown seriously in terms of development, you know maybe they had access to a court maybe they could still work with their trainer and limited condition stuff like that. So you see guys like Murray to Jay Warren Devon Booker bombed out I will say I think Booker's improvements are here stay I'm a little more question about the of questionable about the other two guys so. It's GONNA be interesting. I think especially to see the start of next season you know the first couple months of next season and see which of these changes have stabilized in which haven't I personally think. Roses, roses injuries have. Done a number to him this playoff. And he just wasn't himself and he never got his rhythm never really got to practice with the team because he was sick and then he was hurt stow it sucks to see an experiment that I thought was so promising and so insightful and unique kind of fizzle out in this way, and although Dantonio, seems to be moving on at this point. I would have really liked to see what fertility did if de Antoni was. Adamant about staying one more year and run it back under. Guess more predictable conditions whether for would've brought back on and how the roster would have done under him because Marie has done a great job on the margins with this roster, but they've had to do so much work on the margins given the mistakes made in the past and given that hardened C. P. Three I guess pretty much couldn't play together. They had a trade and shoot for the stars one time, and now they're just I mean they're so far gone having to work the margins that at this point what's left on the margins that makes them a contender yeah. I think that's a really great point I. Think I've two things off that all hit my first one Especially, speaking on the margins I, mean you look at they just had nobody who could contain Lebron James and obviously Covington is a great help defender, but there's nobody one on one. WHO's really You're not stocking Bron James, but you get my point just having useful MBA bodies on that roster would have done numbers and you look at just in the past two years two three years. Having to cut costs and cut guys or trade away guys like Gary Clark the Anthony, mountain? I mean they were both on the roster Hindsight's twenty, twenty Those things happen for reasons in maybe other things don't happen if they don't get caught. But at the same time, you just look at that and the way that their owners claws than to to. To do business and. Conducting business on the margins is that much tougher and you just look at obviously I don't think you have both those guys on the roster with some of the other guys on the roster but. You get what I'm saying if you can. If you have nine guys who you can rely on her eight guys, you can rely on instead of like six and a half five and a half I mean Houston really just could not rely on anyone consistent we. Outside of James Harden. That's something I really look at. And then also speaking to your point is well I really wonder how this time off and also conversely the time on the time guys had the bubble in this high environment high play environment You look at conversely team like the Bulls. You love. I really am interested. To see how this impacts, those eight teams not just for this season but moving forward. I think maybe we've used some of these young guys on teams differently because they don't have the same growth curve or trajectory as some of the guys who made the bubble because it was a very a much higher level play in in the bubble then I think we all expected and you're playing as playoff teams you're playing as the better teams. I really am a I. Don't want to say nervous but I do think it'll be intriguing to see if there's any kind of gap that's more significant or pronounce between the top twenty, two teams who made the. Bubble in the bottom eight because I do wonder genuinely about how that has an impact I mean I know training camp starting up soon, I believe the Pistons just started up today the cavs startups either today or tomorrow So they'll be getting in I think three weeks of work, but that's not even comparable to the entire ramp up that these guys that were in the bubble just had so I I don't know I a lot of questions asked there unless you guys have anything on that, we can get into kind of the rockets future a little bit. Ago. Just to add on to your point, you made I about working the margins and what the rockets have had to do in terms of getting rid of guys Gary Clark Anthony Mill on the rockets are excellent working the margins mores always done a great show of it, and it's clear with the guys they've had they've had on roster and also the guys they've had to let go. But it just shows the rockets. Especially, the bucks is well to a lesser extent, Danny Larousse it all the time good ownership is the biggest competitive advantage. In the NBA if you have a cheap owner, you're gonNA run your team like a cheap team and you're going to have to make cuts. You don't really have to make. So the bucks of promise that they're gonNA pay the luxury tax going forward believe it when I see it because they had a chance to do that with Brogden and they didn't do it now the buck fighting an uphill battle. So the rockets have done that to to some extent probably worse than the X.. Smaller smaller instances but more often. So it just shows how important it is to be working for a good owner and I think we'll get it into that as we discussed, the rockets feature to. I to bring it back to a point that Mark said about how like We're getting these this film on young players in this environment where maybe defense isn't quite there are some have advantages from working out with their trainers. During the hiatus, and that is interesting how you already take out people kind of react to young players in a very volatile way. I remember there was a poll halfway through the season before the shutdown where it was like, would you rather start a franchise with John Dr in Fox or shape gilders Alexander and like. Fox was dead last like the argument was about Shea Jommuang because those were the guys that were playing well at that moment kings were kind of. Stagnating after an exciting twenty eighteen, twenty, nineteen. So when you take that existing dynamic and you apply it to, okay, we're getting some really good footage of like say porter Jr. someone like that that. Maybe. The public consensus or perception doesn't matter on these players. It's ultimately you know what the decision makers. Decide. But. It's going to kind of be an imbalance if you know the likes of like Zach Levine or Karl Anthony. Towns or whomever don't get the benefit of playing against maybe Worst defenses in an environment that works better for them I don't know. It's a good point when you talk about how volatile it is the way. People change their tune or temperature on young player so quickly. We exactly and I think the last I will say on that like I mean even just it's almost like these twenty two teams are on a separate plane than the other and not just in I'm not talking in terms of talent you think okay. If the Pacers are not in the bubble they've grown doesn't get fired. Same thing with the rockets at the rockets aren't in the bubble. You don't Ha- maybe. Okay. Well, I think that's maybe for you. Mike Antonio by all accounts was looking to potentially be out Whether or not as humor ownership that you can. You Can Bay for sure I mean look at team like a bring up Phoenix Okay if Phoenix doesn't come in here we look at that team. So fricken differently I mean they were playing well at the end of the season regardless but you don't see it on the national stage because it's not happening on the level that. Everybody was seeing one they were home If Minnesota's here, you know and they go oh and eight or something maybe Ryan Sanders gets fired. He is not ben great there So you just it's it's. There's there's a lot of crazy levels going on, but we're going to get bogged down keep talking about let's transitioning talking to the rockets and where they had in their future. I would ask right away. Do you guys think Daryl Maury will be GM next year? I think they're gonNA maybe. Keep, carded in breasts and Maury around maybe more than Not that they should because they're all very good players in good general managers but like. Feeling if Dantonio is, but there's a new coach but everyone else they everything else still the same that it'll just be you delaying the inevitable that lake eventually for Tito will break it up. Any might just start looking at doing it. Now, instead of doing a half measure where he gets rid of the best coach for the Stephen Is. But keeps the players in the GM. So I'm going to be accountable weird middle ground where either something happens this off season or it just Kinda is awkward for a little bit in my opinion. The I. Think. The answer to this question depends on how you see Dantonio walking away. What does that mean? So? Who would even be a good replacement coach that's available that fits the system I mean they're probably not gonNA take assistant right they probably looking at I. Guess like Tile Lou. Exactly I mean I think that's a great question like who is filling this job I feel like a lot of the coaches on the market right now obviously might Antoni notwithstanding of them are assists were up and coming that are going to be first time head coaches on so like I mean does Jason Kidd get higher does that's I'm not trying to say that Dick of maybe a little bit but you know I mean you really think about like How is there anything better than or anything anyone better for the job? And I think Scott I lean into what you're seeing a little bit I. Think the kind of owner that Tillman for is just my opinion it. It's like the Simon's on steroids they're not. He's not going to pay money like the Simon's will like they're they're willing to shell out occasionally someone to is your to penny pinch. So I think the idea to him of keeping. And Russ as long as possible is going to stay there because if if they're not over the tax I don't think he's going to give a shit nobody like is if we're competitive ish without going over the tax, I, don't care but I think if more is there I mean he's going to do. He can to improve the roster whether that's trading Russ. Somehow, I, don't know how you do that or trading hard and I think trading harden is like a very real possibility and I'm not just trying to speech into existence I want him to stay in Houston title, but I think the way that ownership. Mike Dantonio and everything of coincided. It feels like it's just I don't know you know I I really don't want to be like the people that we kinda despise just speaking bullshit into existence but it really feels that way like this is kind of this was Houston chance and I just there doesn't seem to be any feasible way for the fat ma'am. Looking somebody out a tweet today, they can't move anymore first round. Picks I believe there or maybe there's one they can move in like twenty, twenty seven or something like that. But that's the first I can move due step you enroll there really isn't a lot that they can do if you WanNa Trade Russ you're either taking back in equally bad salary which I don't know if that's possible and that's not the Besmirch Russell Still Think Russ during the regular season, the top fifteen player. For the last half. But I just think going off with how everything went people are going to be less apt to take him. During the off season so I don't know I don't know I can open it up. With APP there's a I just don't know how you improve this team. And we also act like you know. It's I mean you kind of mentioned where it's not entirely tillman for Titas choice whether Maury stays around or not I mean look at the Sixers, the bucks teams that have kind of been sent into turmoil and you have John is talking to ownership in that kind of. In a race, a yellow flag in my head like what's going to happen like why are you going to? John Horst the president of basketball operations. So look at all these teams who could. You know who seem to be not necessarily dead set on shaking up their front office but are open to the idea and you look at Maury who established himself as one of the better a general managers in the League. So if you're Darrell Maury, you're like why? Am, I, GonNa stay here to try to like keep this at a fifty win roster while by owner conscious pennies at every turn when I could maybe try to take a more exciting team over at the top of. I think that's a great question I. I don't know because if you really think about Daryl's not even that old I think he's probably close to fifty somewhere in there but he still one of younger GM's. And but he's been with Houston's since jamming their like isn't that wild thing about so I I wonder how after he to really leave us with considering he's been there is entire career as a GM obviously here's an I believe he was in Boston before as an assistant but. Regardless I mean you look at it I wonder how long is move on, but I still think you look at all the reports that come out reportedly him until do not get along which I mean just gauging politically that makes sense. In I don't know it's a it's a weird really weird quandary. But let the same thing like who do you who move onto from their Warri like and I'm not just trying to say all this home for his fault but I mean. Like I don't think that would be the most incorrect thing to say. If you've got an his fault, right? Yeah. If you had an owner willing to pay the tax and not even just to pay the tax, just willing to go over the luxury like once like it's not that they have to be repeated tax team. But if they were able to get somebody I, don't know like maybe they they trade for somebody and they're able to go over the caps resigning quite a bit and then they can still use the MLB like that's a big difference. That's a huge. Difference if you're willing if you have ownership willing to do that I mean like looking at the Pacers this your they have a real issue because I don't think ownerships going to be willing to pay the tax They have the option if Justin holidays willing to sign his cap hold, which is going to be like five and a half million dollars. But with how he played this year I think it's possible. He gets more than that depending on the Cap and then so they could. Potentially use the full emily's assign him but then you look at that. Okay. Well, then that's way less money you can spend on somebody if you have if you can with a cap hold and you can instead use the emily on somebody like say Paul. No where I think we'll be an emily guy this year That's a huge huge difference in building out your roster and I think that some of the stuff that you obviously, we think about it because that's what we think about all the time because we're weird we love basketball to a crazy extent, but I love that about us but most people you know that's now they're thinking about. You know that's it's just a really Now that I've started understand the game more like that I'm starting to realize how important that is and I do really just think it comes back to You have to have good ownership and the rockets don't. So I think I am very not high on their future I. think Maybe next year they'll be a playoff team barring something crazy happening in the in the off season I mean. I think as long as hard as their playoff team but I do have. A lot of fear for their future. That is for sure. Glad. You mentioned the point of like you know the importance of nailing those like marginal signing spirit through the emily whatever because. I saw one like the rockets riders are websites like Red Ninety four. I don't know who runs that twitter account but he was talking about how great it would be like They were able to sign Sergio with the non tax payer emily and it's like, yeah, that would be great. The is they're going to be an ownership change before that happens like. I'm sorry. So going back to the discussions that we were talking about in terms of potentially dealing rustling would you do with Russia's contract? Here's an interesting thought experiment for you guys. So we talked about it and clearly the rockets. Very few assets with which to move that Westbrook. Contract there are very few contracts that are as bad as that westbrook contract. One of the assets that Houston does have. And maybe the only way I can see them moving russ before that contract has a year left on it maybe to. It is potentially packaging him with James Harden. If indeed, Marais leaves no coat know new coaches hired or found to be a good fit for competing with the the small ball mentality. If they just feel like they're trapped I mean I don't think there's actually going to happen but. I think the most likely scenario is they hire somebody like Thailand or Jeff Van. Gundy. They run it back in place mall but not as aggressively small because nobody plays small like the Tony does they basically bring back the same roster with some small marginal changes to replace guys who leave on like expiring deals that's probably the realistic scenario. But what would you guys think if they had package like if they just decided to blow it up, recoup some assets, get off the rest contract which I guess they pretty much would have to do really realistically they are GonNa Blow Up. That a move, you can see them making like I. Don't think it's i. don't even think the idea of talking about Russ getting moved is bullshit like I. Don't think we're speaking trained existence or anything I think every team in the league would be thinking about it. Yeah. The rockets. That's interesting I hadn't thought about the possibility of him being packed with harden. That's what that'd be eighty million dollars in cap moving into players like I just don't like. A, you've seen how they work together now and I guess it does work to an extent, but you have to have the roster do it. So I think who out there I mean Austin Boston the salary that could go back. I mean one one thing that I thought of when Evans said that was I mean I floated in the chat while ago hard for Ben Simmons, based trade, and maybe throw in Tobias Harris to match salary but if I was Houston, I would just keep Russ probably just because if I'm trading hard I want to. NFL. Because if you're trading harden, you're blowing it up right and I would want to maximize the value I can get from trading James Arden. and. If I don't really care about russes contract in the coming years if I'm looking to rebuild you know. Maybe he can like run that offense better and you know. A team. Gets a little bit more interested than trading. Now after a, you know a bad playoff series. But I'm not too worried about that you kinda just might just. Be, stuck with them to put it bluntly and. You know you can kind of look to make moves when his contract comes off the books and he's not the worst guy to have around a mystery built. Yeah, he's at the very least a floor. I mean I don't think they want to raise their floor too much or anything like that. I don't think it's super realistic. I've seen it bandied about on twitter here and there I thought it was an interesting theory. If, you were going to blow it up how you could get off the rest contract if you wanted that salary flexibility. I do agree with you though Scott like if they were going to blow it up, trade hardened keep rusk the contract doesn't matter. You're blown it up. anyways. Saving gets picks in young players back to play alongside him. Yeah that's probably what I'd do too. But I thought it'd be interesting to discuss in the very least. Yeah definitely. So I. Saw A. Russ for Miles Turner and victory. Depot trade get thrown out. Just straight up no picks out. Does that make you feel at made me feel very upset hosting. I don't I don't think. So again, that's not the despair address. Is the best of those three players? At least by the standard by how how things are right now. But at the same time like what I just don't understand what what does that do for the Pacers that does nothing for the Pacers like the Pacers do need somebody who can attack the rim and who can be a real playmaker but I? Mean, after what we saw, I'm not confident Russ and again you know like we said earlier, we can go back to that but they won't that. We don't have go back to but you can go back to listen just the no I'm not just shooting on Russ but that that makes no sense for the Pacers. I don't understand that at all Yeah. I was not super pleased with that trade. I think that just shows how few landing destinations there are. If if the rockets did WANNA, try to Trade Russ and like they they, they basically just have to take equally bad contracts back. I mean maybe you could do something sending him to Philly in return for the Horford deal I don't know filler even then it's probably not even I think it's just so messy that we couldn't do it without sitting down with trade NBA Dot com open for hours, and the are going to do that like Murray is definitely GonNa look into it because that's what does he sneezes out every possible movie could make but yet they're gonNA really struggle and they'll probably end up keeping him so much back. Hope Jeff Van Gundy knows how to play fast now also, how fucking Cathartic would it be if Jeff Van Gundy became the coach of this rockets team like the. If he gets hired as coach I am going to go back through all of the nationally broadcasted rockets games. He did this past year and write down how many fucking times he talks about how he hated the way they were playing like if he becomes head coach, I, will they like? L. Just. Like laugh uncontrollably in a very odd fashioned because it just wouldn't make it. He says, maybe he's been playing the long game the whole time and he just shits on the rockets on national TV to try and get MDA der more out of there. So he can play the perfect brand basketball I don't know who knows but it would just be. I can't even imagine that it'll be so weird to me little finger van Gundy pulling strings. Except does he get his throat slit in front of everybody? Alert and I'm just getting. Hey You you knew it was coming he'll say things like I don't know I'll just think about them for like five minutes after. Just watching watching a game six nuggets clippers. He liked got mad Gary Harris for not heeding it with one second left before half diamond. It's like these guys are so worried about their three point percentage and it's like Gary. Thirty. percent. Next percentage, but also on his next contracts, a depend on whether he's like thirty, four percent or thirty, three percent. In the the lake come on like I always go back to what Kevin Durant said where it's like you know these guys are kind of judged by their percentages I know it's a playoff game but like the odds of that going in or like one in. Ten Thousand M. I just like that's such a situ that's a microcosm of Van Gundy like extrapolating so much from one player just decided not to keep a basketball your exactly you know what really drives me nuts the amount of people on twitter who think that Mark Jackson should be the pacers coach just because he played there or that he should be a coach in the League Yale Yes. Coach WanNa call out Mark Jackson he reused align. because I've heard this twice I think it's either Mike Breen Mark Jones I can't tell their voices apart said that Yokich said that there's always a little fat point garden him in Mark Jones on a sorry Mark Jackson. said, that was the same case for me and it was funny the first time but then he reused that line in game six and I know that I didn't hear the same line from the same game twice 'cause this game just happened yesterday. So wanted to call him out for using that quick where he said like Yokich, there is a little fat point guard me. Twice find some new material finding new slant. Mark Jackson. Or a new job Mark Jackson. We're begging yeah. Yeah. He's like somehow middle tier just because of Chris Weber's existed all dude it's and here I go I I to go scorch dirt on but let's do that for a second. On It says more about the other commentators mark. Jackson isn't necessarily of the worst? Yeah. Well, it's just like when him and Jeff like actually talk about the game they're good blake good at pointing out stuff in the game. But like when they sit there and hate watch it, it's terrible like I hate it like it makes me I. Now at the point where I just mute the game most the time it listen to a podcast. Why watch like it's that unbearable sometimes when it just makes you like vehemently angry because they don't like the. Okay I saw somebody say they do like the game and I'm sure they do like basketball to an extent but like I don't know the way that talk back it doesn't seem like it. Or getting burned out I don't know I think stand van Gundy's doing so well, and part of that's because this is all new and fresh to him. He's coming at it with excited perspective and he's intellectually curious about where the games heading. He's someone actually am surprised has not gotten any mentioned in coaching searches like he was a good coach he was like obviously Detroit I. think that is A. A. Why people ever coaches as I think, he's probably going to be the last play not player the last coach we see at least for a long time because I think he obviously, the Josh Smith contracts will ring in everyone's ears for do ardia not to it was new. At the all flow. But he definitely was Kinda shortsighted was dumars straight not not waving dumars waving smith straight up like, yes. That's definitely a coach moved to be like I. Don't like this guy let's way to various. Shortsighted just the lots like can you imagine me coaching? Jim same time no be terrible. Doc Rivers was not good at it. Anybody who did it pretty much was not good at it so I don't know but I I mean with what you do with the magic I think he was great My dog is currently knocking books off. Of My my table for some reason. So let me this morning we do a commentator power rankings. But. Wisden van Gundy classic case of like a coach. What a coach would do if he was GM because you know paying seven million annually to Langston Galloway amount to Aron Baynes it's like. Every coach if given the option like would say, yes, I'd like you know a more competent eight or nine th man while a few more guys to play and Stan van went out and got those guys for better or worse. Yeah. Yeah it's. Actually really really fun thing to go back and talk about on a podcast. Do a deep dive on what happened in the the Stan Van Pistons era because it wasn't like I mean I think that is like the the definition of average basketball are those pistons teams because that's like a forty, two, forty or forty, four, thirty, eight, forty, four, and forty, lock every year man and I it's just highlighted by Stanley Johnson in twenty fifteen right before the playoffs against the cavs in round one saying that he was going to lock Lebron James. And that did not happen that most definitely did not happen. Remember when like twitter got really angry Stan van Gundy for not extending contagious call pope I will say that you know given Casey piece solid out like difference making play in on the Lakers Maybe he had the right idea. They're just funny to look back when everyone's like, Whoa, he's not given. He's not giving in Casey P five years. Two, hundred, million what these the Three D. guy the future sin interesting time. Really single back on anything about because I think his. His deal last year was like eighteen and a half million I think was the final year on his deal. So it's funny how that works out but anyways, we will wrap it up. Now my dog is going to go nuts moose. He's trying to chew the corner of small of sprawl ball currently. So I I do have stop him guys. Thank you for coming on to everyone at home. Thank you for listening. Please be sure to rate and review on Apple podcast. 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101. SouthWest/East Division Breakdown: 4/4 - 4/11

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101. SouthWest/East Division Breakdown: 4/4 - 4/11

"Gen z hoops. Today we're joined by our southeast division expert neiman's hubert on the passage of action for the hawks. Heat corners. magic and wizards with the hawks lead been doing for the last few weeks. They've morning a bunch of games. New coach nate mcmillan. Tesla about the tether on. Hi how how long you see this going awkward. Yeah i mean right now. The hawks are twenty nine. Twenty five the fourth seed. They've won six of their last seven seven of the last ten. They're doing this with a banged up. Team i mean collins is going to be out for at least another week. Radishes out for the next few weeks. He's he was out for four weeks before a train day to day. Capella has missed a few games. Here and there d'andre hunters also been out know still winning games despite missing essentially their whole rotation i mean they beat charlotte with half. They're team missing bogdonovich to their leading scorer. You know you have to give credit to nate mcmillan because this team didn't look like a good team first path of the season as soon as he was given the reins. Everything changed credit to the hawks organization for making that change realizing. That's the change it needs to be made and the nate mcmillan for doing a great job. They beat chicago by twelve. Zack were being scored fifty but trae. Young scored forty two. The no gallon ariz found life again scoring twenty off the bench and even though they lost to memphis by eighteen. That's their one loss in the last seven games that game they're missing cappella collins and who are three of their taller players in the game and surprise surprise. The reason why they lost game because they got killed on the boards. You chalk that up to the the players you miss the rotation realistically of those players were playing. You probably win that game. I think that the hawks have actually become a dangerous team. I would think that they can really pressure a team like brooklyn or team like the baby. Take them to five. I would say six best case scenario but teams like the heat teams the celtics. Who are kind of. They're kind of second tier of eastern teams. The hawks can really give them trouble. And you know really surprised them. Punch him in the face first thing so the next three games they have. Toronto milwaukee indiana. The walkie has been in and out with injuries and resting is indiana's been dealing with some injuries and toronto's not been that great even though you know gary trend juniors kind of been taking over but i still think atlanta can beat that team and i think that they this hot streak is going to continue. Awesome stuff there with the hawk net. Great seeing a team that may be struggling the season really hitting their stride but how about the heat and they were getting all year long and as the finished. The conference champs was very surprising to all of us. How do you see them now. with this continue. Yeah i mean the heat are still the heat of last year really grinded out. Slow paced team who led by jimmy butler. The the the style of play is reflective of their star. And the so. They're twenty eight and twenty five fifth seed and they've won six last seven. Victor oladipo matches that style of play and even though he got hurt going up for a dunk. It wasn't no contact injury but it apparently isn't anything serious is gonna be reevaluated. The end of the week before he got injured in that game it looked like he finally was catching his stride in miami and so having that pairing Buller to of mazing way wings are into the playoffs. Where you're going to need those guys to be defending. Chris middleton jrue holiday. James harden kyrie irving katie. Need need those guys and so having that defensive wing really helps miami especially come playoff time and especially of ola depot recover from his injury quickly and really bounce back. They beat portland. Despite being out rebounded portland turn the ball over a ton shot horribly. And they beat the lakers and lost the memphis. The lakers banged up. No anthony davis lebron james So how much does that win. Actually have any weight who really knows. But there's still winning. They're still in. The playoff razors. Great I really don't think they will be falling into a play spot if there is going to be a team that's gonna fall fall into a play inspired. It's going to be charlotte in my opinion really for miami just comes down to health victory. back jimmy butler. Staying healthy tyler. Eero staying healthy bam saying how the last time i said that trading olympic for Be alita didn't help their frontcourt depth and they went in. They signed away dead men who really fix that lack of a big man problem but this week is going to a really tough week especially you know without victory people. You have five gains. In seven days you got to back to back against phoenix in denver over the way games. And then you gotta face brooklyn at the end of the week so is going to be a really tough stretch coming up right now for miami but i honestly don't see them slipping. I don't think they can crack that top three where i think they thought they would see themselves at the beginning of the season thinking about the heat and able to consistently win games Living up to the maybe what. Patients put them at the beginning of the season. The horn another interesting team. Because they're they've still managed to stay afloat even after losing lamelo ball who's likely to give a year of even with being sidelined for for what's about to be close to a month Us about the hornets. And what do you really think they can really do to really keep themselves outside of the plane into the actual want to six playoff seeding leading into lamelo comeback. Yeah right now. They're twenty seven and twenty five the hornets. He and hawks all tied in the loss column. So it really just comes down to. Who's going to be winning the games coming up. They've won two of the last three but really they haven't been tested as an injured team. I mean lamelo is not playing gordon hayward stop playing in the last three games. They played milwaukee without their entire big three and not even though they played o'casey who aren't that great of a team other a lottery team and they've played atlanta. Who were missing. Like i said half their lineup and they lost with awards you know. i think they might slip. I like i said last week. I think the goal should be keep winning. Keep winning. keep. Winning but boston is really picking it up their backup to the seven seed and like i said. Boston is going to capitalize on stuff. Like the hornets are teams. Like the hornets. Who are gonna be slipping a little bit. Come this time. i i see the hornets. Maybe having one of those advantage spots like seven or eight seed in the plan. I don't think you'll slip down nine or ten. I think they have too much just raw talent on that team in miles bridges. Pj washington and davante. Graham terry rozier has had an amazing season. I don't think they can keep the sixty afloat right now. They are only one game ahead of boston. Melas column boston's a game ahead in the win column. They're tied into in terms of game back from the first seed so really hornets are could technically become a seventy very very easily and being that plane spot. There's also the knicks who have been picking up steam and they can really end up being seven seed pushing hornets down to eight. I don't think indiana will take them. Nor do i think chicago can. I don't see themselves keeping a top sixty coming up next. They have the lakers cleveland and brooklyn in they. I really don't think they'll still be tested. The lakers are banged up. And brooklyn's been arresting is have also been banged up and cleveland's not that great of a team again maybe just keep capitalizing on teams resting guys against you and you keep winning. You know if they're gonna breast there guys every time they play charlotte more power to you inch into the context of course The hornets exactly. What's make putting them where they are in. Obviously what the next weeks for them The magic right there. Another team where. It's a bury them deep into this division breakdown because they're always on some sort of losing streak or in some cases like that and that's obviously the case now obviously made one of the biggest words. The deadline would move rusev. Which of how do you kind of see that impediment in the season. Have you seen that really. Take a toll on on where they're going to end up. Yeah i mean even before the trade orlando kinda destined to be in that bottom part of the eastern conference so now it's about can we get in that bottom three spots and can we really develop our youth and i think that's why traded guys like forty eight guys like aaron gordon and of course who were kind of stalling out your lineup. A little bit in a little bit more up there in age not really. That project didn't work. That era of orlando didn't work and you move on tinker and you try out something new and so they lost their last five games. I think that's what you need to keep doing right now right now. They're currently poised for the fourth. Pick in terms of Lottery odds and you really wanna be in that top three so you can have advance odds of getting the one pick in the draft so they just had to keep losing and eventually knockout detroit from that fifteen. I don't think they can catch houston or the timber. Wolves of those teams are banged up a lot less talented and not really winning games either and so you just to keep losing and keep trying to develop your depth. And i've said the last few weeks. I don't understand what they're doing with mogambo. Really still don't because last game. He scored twenty one against milwaukee. Shot five six from three against the wizards yet. Nine thousand nine hundred and two off the bench and wendo carter. Junior has had trouble getting more than ten points and seven rebounds in a game so why not give bomba that starting position. I don't really know another bright spot from the magic. I guess called anthony's back going that he was looking like a. I a first team all rookie player at the beginning of the season. He's kind of come back to form thirty nine seven in his first game. He had eight five nine rebounds in the second game and twelve five and seven last game. He's back to form and it's nice. It's nice to have that guy you really look at it and develop just kind of keep losing but the one thing that i'm kind of concerned about was the starting lineups. Just don't really make sense. I don't understand why they're starting guys. Like michael carter williams like i said wendo carter junior. James ennis dwayne bagan a yes. You wanted to integrate these guts. But your entire starting lineup is that you're not really giving any leeway to coin the rj hampton. You're starting to mow. Kiki who's been great but you're not starting mogambo senator. Who's been doing really well. I understand not starting. Rj hampton at all considering. You just traded for him. He's very very talented. And you're starting myocardial williams over him. Who could just be a backup bench unit. Point guard overall. You know the magic need to keep losing kind of what they're doing and they have the spurs bowls raptors next and they might win one of those games That's really their goal was the wizards. They obviously had their their highs and most points of the season. But it's it's interesting. I've seen it everywhere. Twitter where people come about westbrook and how he's getting always triple doubles in. They're still losing games and record reflects that tells a little about what you're kind of seeing there in a in a what kind of that. What if you think that. That will continue. If there's a reason behind what's happening there. They are nineteen thirty. Three to twelve seed. They've won two of the last three games. Last week was very upset with the wizards in how they'd gone about this season. Winning those games doesn't really change much. I mean they beat orlando in golden state and then they lost phoenix twenty eight. Even though they didn't have a bradley beal and bradley beal's been struggling. Chalk it up to you know a cold streak or has. He just stopped caring because his his wife has gone. Tweeted after the trade deadline and many times go the season about her frustrations. It's her frustrations are also bradley. Beal's frustrations i'm sure and so. It seems like he's kind of bought out of. The wizards wizards are gonna need to move away from him. And in terms of russell westbrook man. There's a clip that went viral over the week. Where russell westbrook in three straight drives got a teammate. A wide open. Look at the rim all three times. Teammate miss the shot. It it really. Isn't russell westbrook. Who is the problem. And people saying that russell westbrook is is no longer a good player. Don't understand that if the edgy. Put him on one of these top four teams in the west or even top four teams in the east. You would still look phenomenal. Yield still looked. Like the kinda guy who can go out there and when you games but whenever you surround him with guys who are either young and very undeveloped and not athletic can't really finish up the rim. There's gonna be trouble. And so you know. Roy moore has been great. Danny idea has shown flashes but the roster composition is just not good for a guy like russell westbrook and especially guy like bradley beal. Their three games out of a playoff spot. And there's really no more time to right the ship like if you wanna make up those three games. There's less than twenty games left in the season. It so chicago gonna keep winning games or indiana's going to keep winning games. At least at a higher rate than the wizards i would at least project them to the chances of them. Getting into play in position is very very slim. And i think there's gonna be a big blow up of the washington wizards offseason. I don't see another year bradley. Beal there. I think it's time for them to just try and move on new era of kind of like what orlando's doing houston's doing with a lot of these teams who have had the same core for the last six seven years it didn't work out other moving on. It's time for you to move on to. I think the wizards are next. Welcome to gen z. Hoops today woodrow by herself. As division expert curtis johnson here to break down the past week of action for the grizzlies. Mavericks spurs pelican. Rockets curtis i'm excited to see the grizzlies cranston and the eighth spot tuzla about that. And how they actually been winning a few games in in the super tight race with not just the right the rest of their conference but mainly the rest of the division. Yeah i saw. It started which. I'm talking about the spurs lighter but they hit losing streak jeopardize that they would do at the beginning of the season. I thought they would come back to reality that. They haven't seen. It plays hard. But they don't have a lot of talent so Grizzlies actually leap them. This week. they're sending a spot litter two games up right now on the spurs this week. Brilliant one under isa a road trip losing their last game with new york nixon overtime. A desma bank. He's been playing. He's been a bright spot off the bench especially with the milton out. would lay. Soreness up the seventy sixers game banks been averaging a thirteen points shooting. Forty seven percent from three yoenis continues to tear up the stat sheet for rebound his averaging twelve point five and he still says third overall for the league waiting for him to get some good jump to two or a possibly one for disease over dillon brooks he'd been on the terrorist These last four games. He's averaging twenty one points while shooting fifty two percent from three enough still expect during jack. We'll be back at some point by in the mind like i said earlier. The grizzly spe- are reported Jetsons will continue to be sidelined with a right bass ordinance. I believe brennan court. He missed a couple game this week. Calf soreness agrees actually will on both against he missed in milton. He's continues to be out in john a he missed a game for a believer was knee soreness. But other than that. They're turning into right direction up to have a big homes here. Coming up against indiana pacers on sunday but chicago bulls on monday and they have a big game on against their Division rival dallas mavericks. Which could play a huge role in plasma guest. That seven spot in is going to be on. Espn is going to be a big game for john memphis grizzlies luca and the dallas mavericks. Oh definitely looking forward to that. Game and affidavits grids will have a monster rhodri which. I'm sure i'll get into the following week. When we get ready but after homestand they play chicago chicago then like denver portland denver twice amp portland's wise. I believe on the so going to be a tough road trip. But i'm sure they can pull up the games out. We'll see what happens while super bowl thinking about that and you obscene mention the mavericks and its candidacy. That game and stuff going to be a battle and say play such a pivotal role in what these last few weeks for them. As they fight to really secure seating tell us a little bit about the mavericks in seeing their the don't thought they have been done earlier this year. Man i told you did. They should be in a set of spots. Mayday should be around. Four or five spot. They have a pretty good competitive team. keep some same from last year. But i think they're a big basketball team than what they've been playing especially with a christmas present his in and out of the lineup. Emas the game. This week for a sprained wrists. Luckily is nothing seriously. Returned loud next in play the next two games. And the average twenty four point five points fifteen rebounds in those two games this week luca he continues to impress as always he averaged twenty seven points nine rebounds seven six of these last three games. They continue to win which i expect him to do. When it's all said none be around anywhere between the five to six spot. I think they're going to move out a seven spot. Somebody's gonna get knocked down to the seven look for them to put lucas name in a conversation for. Mvp as a said get another season. I do not think he will win it. But it's too late but it's just a lot of uncertainty regarding. Who's gonna win. mvp this year. So look for luga. I want to say it'd probably top three top four denver's jokers got to win at this year. You're going to have him. I believe luca joel embiid and possibly daimler. I don't think lebron will make it this year. Because of the high spraining men out solo. Tim hardaway He's gonna be in a six man this year jordan jordan cards going to win but tomorrow is gonna be in one and a finalist. The final three averaging seventeen points while shooting thirty nine percent from three guys like fantasy. Pagot jalen brunson. He's been playing love late in the last regains to averaging twelve points and three assists. He's definitely the backup for luca or the two guards coming. Install you guys be sure to put him on your roster because he's gonna get the menace and hopefully going to produce luggy esa last three games and just look for like. I said mullet the standard that blue. They're gonna move up another notch or two and possibly portland lakers may fall down. Still run in davis out. So we'll see how this plays out but dow remembered. They're trending in the right direction. Just like the memphis. Grizzlies love hearing that. But obviously we have to transition like we do every week off from teams that are that are really doing well. Like you said that are on track to a team really isn't in the houston rockets Obviously it looks losing streaks kinda getting continuing. It doesn't get slowing down any time soon. Can you can tell us about them. And if there is any trump from into to possibly get on. Yeah i think the best thing is you know trying to figure out what pieces you wanna bring back for next year. Who have in your immediate plans. They're going to be in the lottery. Looks like problem for next couple years. I would say awfully but it looks like they're going to be a lottery. The next couple of years and think they gave most of their picks away with the russell westbrook trade to okay. see some more of harbin. We'll see how that plays out there. Pick slut killer has been bryce by november. Since they picked him up from the miami heat in the last five days after the eighteen points ten rebounds while shooting thirty nine percent from three. I would point out with the miami heating. Shouldn't thirty one percent from three so something obviously happened for him. Reissue nine percent eight nine points higher. And he's had in his disband last five games they have this week can afford junior. He also continues to be a bryce biden. Last as ever fourteen points he had a career high fourteen assists this week. gonna look for peace that i feel a bit around tristian. Would john wall. He returned to action but kevin porn They continue to be a bright spots for this team. And i expect honestly to keep delio linen. John wall in his attorney at thirty one points and seven assists and he led the rockets or win to arrive at a dallas mavericks so stress. Not on our list for Got off of. But they're on another one a three game losing streak but they got off the old one so hopefully it gets back on trans who get off blue group as well chris. Would he had twenty two and ten against their inner win against dallas mavericks as well just look for them to build for pieces of bit around christian would not think it starts with killing olympic discretion. Floor of believe interesting would more room to at work. We'll see how they do the rest of the season but just finding pieces for future inching something about the position and kind of what what their situation will look like over the next few obviously the end of the season but also the next few years on thinking over to the pelicans though they obviously are looking really bright and zion just on tear from what i've when i've been seen just in terms of seeing his stat lines on night in and night out. He's a little bit about what they're doing. And what you could see them getting in the mix with teams like the grizzlies mavericks. If it's going to be hard for the pell against a jazz got lonzo ball back. this week. He gained back before brandon. Ingram and zion. Let them to a win against houston rockets. He had a great game when he came back in a game lonzo. He ended up in eighth threes. He at twenty. Seven point nine assists for rebounds like i said lead them to a win and over the last days averaged eighteen points seven rebounds eight assists however he has actually re injured his hip and is the opposite of a believed. This time it is the left. Not the right hip. He has issued like a hip flexor issue. So hopefully he won't be out like it. Was this last. Go round with roots out. I believe like we the two weeks because the same cannot afford allows wondering key pieces to be out every you know. They did sign as thomas he made his debut is atlanta hawks even though they lost He ended up with ten points for out of thirteen but is always good. Comes back in the league. Net game also returned. He at thirty four points net gay and also in her win against the seventy sixers. I on thirty seven points and win ingraham. He returned last game this week against the seventy sixers still circuits on rust off. He didn't have the best game. He finished with seventeen points. A rebound to assess on five of twenty one shooting. So gotta work way way back into the swing of things and appellants three much. I wouldn't say have east. India eases schedule because every team is beatable but they have you know i would say easier. Stuttered as we've they've let a cavalier's decanes knicks wizards. So definitely i believe. It's a wonderful game four-game trip they have this week. But you cannot underestimate anything especially with them being shorthanded with lonzo out They're going to need more firepower problem. Mazi woman wealth the bench. So where's the guys do. Because they're still trying to make a strong second run in the second half of the season to get the up. Lay in and the nine or ten spot that is occupied. Currently by senate tonio spurs and golden state warriors. Finished things off with team. Just mentioned what the spurs they were kind of a little bit They were they were right ahead of the way in those teams like the mavericks grizzlies. All that stuff. And they've lost skidded Obviously that's really good news for those other teams. But what do you think the spurs can do to get back on track. I'm in and you think it's going to happen. Yeah i honestly. I don't think it's gonna happen kind of particularly at the end of the year. I didn't think the spurs would be playoff this year. I predicted you know. Kind of derozen will be going in the markets but rose ended up staying. There still still a competitive team. That's that's the only thing about they're always gonna give your theirselves a chance to win each and every game. I just don't see them this year. just not enough talent. Man is one of the things where you have a lot of young promising players. But they they don't know what it's like the rosen and a patty mills rudi gap believe. Are someone only not the only fruit who have been to. the playoffs. Actually noticed like to play in the playoffs and how scratch is going to be. I do not envision a mega playoff this year. Honestly believe the pelicans will end up taking her spot and nineteen for to play into gifts golden state. So we'll see how that happens. But i just don't see it. They want zero three on his week schedule. Does it get any easier. It's only one day off for the rest of the season you have two consecutive days off. They have dallas week. Tough gang magic rappers. Yes you could say. Those two are more winnable. Had a blazin phoenix suns. Who at the top of the conference so easily see them this week. Going two and three or one in four you know unearth Teams and seeing the spurs been vulnerable right now and you know what i'm saying. Hey they're not going break skate against but gum just have to see how to see the finished out the spurs this week. Right now and i believe they. Can you know. Get three out of five. They're going to continue to keep theirselves in conversation with the grizzlies. Golden state pelicans for that. Eight to ten playing and seven spot is oil. You've really has nothing to worry about now. With thousands turned into right directional elect. It'll be dropping balodia seventy but we'll see anything can change in the nba damore rosena. He continues to leave the scene. Regains average in nineteen six three on the season. Averaging twenty one four and seven so they're gonna probably need a lot more Demar and i would say rudy gay and patty mills off the bench to contain to propel to same if they wanna make playoffs. This year does is definitely not going to be easy. They have any hope of doing that. They're gonna need tomorrow. Play at all star loved as to love.

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15 in 60 Mailbag! (Part 2, Eastern Conference 11.20.18)

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15 in 60 Mailbag! (Part 2, Eastern Conference 11.20.18)

"We'll come on Monday edition of the pod gotta finish out. The fifty and sixty mailbag edition for the east last pod of the week with the thanksgiving holiday upon us. And let's get right to it with the Indiana Pacers. As of this recording. The Pacers are ten and six three and three since last time. We did this ninth and net rating and plus four point two nineteenth and offense third in defense and fivethirtyeight projects them to in forty six games would put them fifth in the Eastern Conference. Third full. We get into the question fence where the hell did that come from? I still don't know that'll be if it continued for another two weeks, I think that will be the focus of our of at least I'll do some research on that. 'cause I've been as you know, I've been very skeptical of their defense the last two years, so I want to really dig into that. I think the with Paul George no longer on the team that they're really gonna fall apart. And that is not really been the case of me one thing they've really improved a lot any is there defensive rebounding. They were a terrible defensive rebounding group a year. Ergo, the up to tenth in defensive rebounding. They're not the biggest thing they're doing is turning teams over this is just a Cisco analysis, obviously. And you know, I think that he is young as criminally underrated defensive player thought that for a long time. But when you look at the deepens of options that the SIEM has at the three you think like man, and obviously calls it as that, greedy. That I think court Joseph has been an underrated part of that. And they have some pretty good defensively. And maybe we'll have to start talking about miles Turner potentially being stepped forward defensively. But again, I haven't looked at at that closely at this point. But yeah, so after that reaction they're projected for Forty-six wins. Where did you wanna go to start with for these guys? We should talk a little bit about victory depot, he left the hawks game early due to Nissar nece, and he's just hasn't really looked like himself over the last little bit. I think it's good to to give them some time. If needs that the Pacers are pretty comfortable with where they are everything and on their own for the. Do you mean by that? Like, just well, I mean, do you think that pushing the depot we never do that actually an extra winter? But I was like, well, they're actually like trying really hard to get the four seat at least get home. Well, it'd be great to sure, but I think that considering the teams below fifth are not really strong right now. Like, I I don't think that they're giving him a couple of days just to a couple of games just to make sure that he's right there. I don't think there's much downward mobility, you could say there's a lack of upward you know, that if maybe those extra gamer to could matter because member the Pacers did not win a game last year when Victor depot did not pull. And then they they almost lost to the hawks in a game that he only played five minutes. They did win that game. And one other quick thing. Shooting numbers. This is the same knee knee soreness that he had issues with a season ago. And you know, you mentioned how bad they work without unless you knew got blown out and all those games as a recall, so the vet that they're able to come back talk to me, and they trailed by nine at halftime on Aaron holiday actually had a pretty nice game. With all the depot out the needs of more creation. I think a holiday maybe can provide that we'll see those first real meaningful action of the season. But yeah, what's their schedule? Look like full depot is going to miss time. Which you imagine he's probably going to cause he was really bad against Miami played twenty minutes, and then they brought him back for the back tobacco. King was able to go from within five minutes. So they host the jazz on Monday, then they around home and road, they play Charlotte in Charlotte than they host the Spurs. And then they have this five game. Sorry, four game Western Conference trip. Fortunately for them involves the sun. So it's Utah at Phoenix at the Lakers at Sacramento feels to me like the pictures of all set of pres schedule so far in terms of the offenses that they face of. But yes, so I mean, it's not a murderer's row coming up there. Right for them. No, no. I wouldn't say that. But I mean, they're teams that if Victor doesn't play they'll have a have a rough go of it to be very interested to see also they have evidence to which I think will really help them, and they had nobody. Oh, yeah. That that's that. Makes it much more survivable because he just gives them another another place to go are so now interrupted do ninety seven times. Let's get into the Meteo of our discussion here about the Pacers. Yeah. The only other thing I wanted to say on a depot before we get into. I've tracking his kind of the proportion of his stats for the year. The only thing that's really striking. So far. He's shooting way. More pull up threes this year and two percentage drop from a little bit below thirty six to thirty flat. And that's a big change in. That's part of why his efficiency is lower than you're also he's not getting to the line as much or getting to the rim as much hopefully, that's just related to this new thing. And once he feels right he'll get back into it. We'll have to see you can get into questions, and we'll start with one from any McClure do the Pacers need to make a move to have a chance to get out. The first round. My answer would be if the goal is to to get to have a chance. Yeah. The first time they have a chance to gallon. I Ron right now. I mean if it's a four or five series against Philly. Philly's I would say the favorites in that series. Especially now that they have Jimmy Butler. And we assume they'll get something on the buyout market. But they absolutely have chance. I mean, they had a chance last year they've got to game seven against Cleveland. But it it would help to have. I would say like another creator that could play minute that could play crunch time minutes may lead. Maybe Tyree can do that. But like having another option would be useful. And but this is a pretty deep team. I mean, it's hard to really think of what they would add unless they gave up some real assets that would be a part of their like best eight. Yeah, they're gonna very interesting off season. Obviously, they have a lot of capsize, but they would need to to recite young so much. It depends on the ups. I think if they match up against philli that's team that they can be fine against a think if they match up against the team that has a little bit more shooting that can stretch out their centers. They'll. This is a team that never switches and help. But I'm not sure that there is a team in the east that is just so nasty offensively that you just can't guard them conventionally, you I think we the Celtics we thought might be that team. But they're not there yet, you know, now trying to defend Kyrie Irving and a pick and roll late in games. I'm not sure how good their centers are going to be at that. So bonus German this geyser conventional pickerel defense all the way Toronto. I think they can match up against a a little bit better. Maybe a Bacher could give them a few problems of. But you know, I think the they're bigger problem might be scoring. I think they can defend not at an elite level, but at a very solid level in the playoffs. But I think they're offenses a low predictable. They really only have one premium talent. They don't space the floor or not. They're extremely reliant on mid-range jumpers. You know, they've got the nineteen th ranked offense now. And if you look at their talent, I think they could be a little bit better than that. Like, the McMillan's comments. He deserves a grant for getting as much out of them as he has defensively. But so of his. What all we don't shoot threes. I mean, you know, the smile Turner in particular, he could really be such a force offense. We, but he's just not shooting threes. And he's not hitting the very few that he is taking. So I don't like them as favorites. I think they absolutely. And we'll see also the Butler trade. Ultimately, probably what's good for them. We'll see what Philly does to build out around. The, you know, the the end his bench units could be very successful against philli but affiliate can fill out their bench. You know, you can make the argument that Phileas the two best players in that series, and certainly three out of the best four with Simmons. Although though are those guys going to all be maximized. We'll see a lot of that's gonna depend other alert. So they would have a chance, you know. I don't think they're beating the box or the Celtics or Toronto. That's why getting into that fifth seed or if fourth see to me, if they you know, so guarantee that Phileas gonna have a better record than them, especially if they could get home Gordon that series. I might give them a shot if they don't have home court. I think it'd be a substantial underdogs in particularly because I'm not getting home court. In theory means that they were playing that. Well, or Billy was playing route. And that ties in with the other question, which is from Steve song, which is a basically I would all phrase it a little bit differently, which is of the let's call them the top four teams out other than Indiana, Boston Toronto, Milwaukee and Philly who do you think Indiana matches up best against? Yeah. You know, I would have said they match up worst against Boston. But Boston's offense just has been so weirdly bad this year because Horford as as a stretch center Correa's a pick and roll guard against their conventional pickerel defense and average at best pick and roll defence centers. You thought those guys could really eat there. And then you guys like Tatum Brown Hayward. If you're actually being himself. You know, they have a lot of guys who could be attacked in theory one on one. But you know, Boston's does in this weird funk. Dude have to say Boston just because I think they you know, they just don't look as good as Milwaukee your Toronto right now. But I would say probably Toronto, I guess see I just didn't Kurai Rex Indiana's offense in that series. You just put him on. Fell and say, what are you waiting? Toronto's probably to me that maybe maybe they match up best against mythic, the bucks or the worst defensive team of those four teams probably well that that's actually where I wanted to go with this. I think there there is a conception of this Pacers roster. That would actually be really good against the bucks because they can run all this high pick and roll stuff. If Boone Jose's gonna try net series. You just use miles Turner to exploit it, and you go to that opposite corner opposite side for threes. They have a lot of capable shooters, even though they don't take time to threes. Like, I could see them winning the series. But it's just not the way they play they play a different style of offense. And so that would be a little bit challenging and then defensively it's inch that would be a fascinating series. Because Yoenis I mean, basically, it would probably fall on. Thaddeus, young I'm assuming with the way they would handle that. And then you have Bogdanovich on Chris Middleton. And then you have all basically all their guards trying to slow down blood. So and everybody else, and you know, I especially because Turner is a different kind of you know, defensive big if they try to use brook Lopez's in that series. That might actually you know, that might end up helping the Pacers to degree. But yeah, I I could see that being a fun series. The problem is it's just not what these Pacers are. Instead of me to difference between me and Nate McMillan and Nate McMillan has done amazing work with the steamiest taken them to a place that I genuinely did not see. And as you said, there's a lot of credit for that. And I would say that's true on both ends of the floor. But I wonder about whether that approach will work against vastly superior talent. Yeah, I think they could score against Milwaukee. Like there is a past scoring against Milwaukee. Although get your the way to beat Milwaukee's defense is by shooting a lot of threes taking advantage of their aggressive help. Because the way in large part that Milwaukee makes up for the fact that maybe Lopez is a little bit slower and out, you know, Thon maker starts playing more. They if you honestly start plates more Yazd at center stuff as well than the, you know, the business through. But I think the the Pacers matchup beluga better against Milwaukee's offense in the rest of the L think Boston Philly at Toronto. I mean, those are just three awesome defenses. I mean, there's. Actually now that Phileas Butler. I don't see how the peace was score. Well enough to win series against those scenes what maybe they could slow down Philly enough. So I mean, Philly I think is just not gonna be as good as the literature teams. Again, we'll see how they fill out the roster. But a lot of I think the Pacers are what they are at a lot of it just depends on where those teams are are it will move onto the Miami Heat here for we actually have a dearth of questions the heater one of the more uninteresting teams in the NBA at this point. But of course, we go into a read right before I t's it that way that the that's always out happens. I does have impeccable timing to schedule these reeds before like the more uninteresting teams. But by the time, you listen to this actually at the time this podcast is going to be released. I will actually be watching nuggets at box as a fan. That's really interesting one. Usually when I go back to go to a bull's game. But the local team is not very good. So we're gonna drive up to Milwaukee, my wife, and I and got a great deal on tickets again was seek it took me almost time. I just looked for that big dark green dot that. 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The Miami Heat six and nine disappointingly so three and four in their last seven negative zero point four net rating is seventeenth in the league. They ranked twentieth. Offense twelfth on defense. And we noted a lot of things about the team that they seemed coward of the board. Average teams at every way there. Are flying a little bit off of that. But he'll the seems like basically a five hundred team so far and they are projected to be out of the playoffs at the moment. But it's crazy to think that is terrible is the wizards of been the heater only a game ahead of them right now on the wizards of already had a western swing which the heat have not. So it words like to start with them. Why should I want to start with them before again the questions with a brief walkthrough of their schedule for the next little bit? Because I think it's really going to be clarifying. So they play Brooklyn Chicago Toronto Atlanta as a kind of a fourteen and to me, they should definitely win are being if they're going to be getting right? Even with their absences getting three of those four losing at Toronto. Obviously. No shame in that. No back to back. Those games are spread over the course of a full week. So you could go through that. And then after those games they have this long homestand starting with the Atlanta game in New Orleans, Utah Orlando before they then do their aforementioned west coast road trip. And so they have time to he'd have time to get this. Together. But I think that's really the window. Is that to Tuesday December fourth they play Orlando. They don't and that's right before they go out on this road trip. If they're three or four games below five hundred still at that point. Then I'm going to start to worry. Yeah. And I think really what needs to get better for them as the defense you I think if you look at this team's offense of talent twentieth. Is right about where they should be. I know Josh Richardson is playing well, but we haven't seen as much from drudge maybe James Johnson who by the way buzzy revealed why it was that he hasn't debuted. He said basically has to get back in shape, which debts that great. Because a you remember he had ballooned to like two seventy five is last year Toronto, then he comes to the heat. He waiters both get into awesome shape. He gets that contract to that. I think just do the activity. Now, he deserves blamed for that. Obviously, there's nothing that says that when you're inactive you have to continue eating as much as you would when you're active so you don't have to balloon up when you get surgery. But he apparently did. So he's got to get back to his playing with. That's why has an debuted yet. So maybe he'll get a little more playmaking. But they have a lot of guys. That the floor at the four pretty amazing to me that Hassan Whiteside is only fifty four percent shooting below the league average intruding. That's just crazy to me given what his role is and should be. Let's get into the questions here. Will you got two of them? But maybe if we run out of time, or if we run out of instinct, saying these questions all to come up with another one to ask you. So the first one is we can do this baby more quickly from Sebastian, which is should the heat. Make a play for Marquel Foltz. And I get the idea behind this. I've gotten a few fake trades. We did that whole Markelle full podcast involving Miami. Because they do need more shock Gration at least in their current integration. Getting waiters back will help but full specific limitations. I think would be hard for Miami to overcome just because he's such a limited shooter. They're playing traditional fives a lot, you know, basically all the time, and you know, bam has a little bit more range on his jump shot. But here. I think that though actually be a pretty useful. Sure. Yeah. There are there are roster constructions where I think folks could help them but the other big problem for Miami. Is that Fulton's owed nine point seven million for next season? And that's going to be a very expensive year for Miami. Assuming Whiteside Tyler Johnson and drag I'll pick up their lucrative player options. And if dragged doesn't pick his up, then either you're replacing him or you're paying drudge himself. So that's a lot to take on. And presumably, you know, maybe Philly would take on one of their players. But if they're if they're committing to multi your salary, it's going to be for somebody. They really like so and I don't I bit. I mean would that be Rodney, but Grueter put a low do they even have tennis ring money to send back with mcgruder to make the salaries match. We'll only has a no trade you also an implicit one because of the one year deal so that sort of circumstance now anybody wanna I mean, he's from Phillies. We might want to go back there. He'd be a wonderful fit for that team. Oh, man. I'd love to see when Ellington on the voice of here sham with him. The glue would be a nice upgrade. But other than that. I mean, they don't really have like Elliott walls have to me or you could say like, you know, maybe you could call together enough salary with like Derek Jones. And I mean, they're not going treat you done as Heslin, obviously. And he could actually block a trade as well hilariously enough. So yeah, it's tough construction. And then do you wanna trade, but you'll mcgruder you could make the argument that us fallen off a little bit after a hot start. But you can make the argument that he's more valuable than volts at this point. So is well, I mean, I'll pivot another way is there any construction that Philly could do to try to get Josh Richardson, because I don't I don't think that there is unless you involve their best players, which presumably they wouldn't because Josh Richardson would be a nasty nasty fit with a stamp. I mean, they wouldn't include him in the Jimmy Butler talks. Now part of that is that they haven't they didn't look that good to begin with and toes like what is adding Butler really gonna guess in addition to the pet that Richardson as been better. Now, let's not go crazy on Richardson. You know if. If you're talking about him like an every down feature guy. I'm not convinced that that's him yet amuse twenty five zero concert get better, very solid defensive player solid shooter for from three. So what would that have to be though to be you consider how favorable his contract is if Miami said, hey, we wrecks we're going to treat this guy. And I don't think they're they're mentally yet to 'cause. Yeah, I mean, the argument for trading him to say they got it just to a total rebuild here. I mean, that's the only way you trade. Josh Richardson is we're going to do a total rebuild and yet. He's a solid player, but we want to get bad here. And you know, he can get us a lot of assets. And we're just kinda punting into the future, and we can get our twenty twenty one draft pick back which is out unprotected, you know, that might be maybe you could say if they ever wanted to that strategy trading impact affiliate for that pick would actually make a ton of sense of. But not I don't think that there there yet. I'm not sure what Philly could offer that could just bowl them over at this point. So I just don't really see a Foltz could be a part of the future. If they wanted to totally go that rebuild route. Maybe. You know, they're headed for thirty wins around the trade deadline that some in that might be considered a little more. But it just you know, that we haven't seen Pat Riley herbs pulse. Wrote this heat front office. Even consider that. That's why they're in the predicament that they're gonna beginning bright and Miami, if they really opened up Richardson, I think they could go in a lot of other directions in one of the big weaknesses of Sixers conceptual offers that they don't really have that premium asset other than maybe Miami's picking suddenly in that route because I zero Smith is interesting. He's hurt right now. We haven't really gotten to see much from him and their own picks. Are, you know, find maybe they could it would be kind of ballsy to trade away that chance of the number one pick for Sacramento, it'd be kind of hilarious if they did. But yeah, I think that's really I don't I it's it's a fun thought experiment for me mostly because I would love to see Josh Richardson fit with the Sixers team. But from Miami's perspective, I think you're right on the money there. And then that can get into Steve songs question, which is most improved player he options, he gave were Josh Richardson. Zach LeVine and care. Sliver for me. Levine is below the other two because. Really what he's doing is maintaining and this is still praiseworthy. Obviously, he's maintaining similar efficiency with a higher usage and the team is not going improving to the same degree with Richardson. It's it's a greater combination. You know, this is also his most effective true shooting season. As of now and usage has gone up has highs assist rate of his career part of that is that he's making forty five percent of his threes. If he makes forty five percent of his threes. He'll be a really good player. And so for Richardson versus Laverne. It's it's interesting basing guy was probably basing it just soul in what they've done to this point. Because obviously to win it at the LA Britain's going to be out now. Correct. Yes. So as basically pretending I was giving out the award today and between those two means interesting because they're element of their profiles that were kind of similar. I would actually probably think it make with the Vert just because to me he's I don't maybe it's the three point shooting part of it. I because it it's not necessarily that. It's more sustainable, but that also Richardson was so much better of a player. At the start. And so while I think Richardson has been probably better than care silver. It's he has been better than livered Safar Laverne going from where he was to where he is feels more significant than Josh Richardson. I actually think that Levin has made it the most impressive subs- for if we're just learning. The I looked at the holy granting who I'd picked. But what Levinas added as far as getting to the foul line and getting to the basket compared to where he was in Minnesota his last year, and how do you throw in the AL as far as at his performance last year? I'm kind of more comparing in most improved compared to where it wasn't Minnesota before the injury, but certainly deserve credit for coming back from an injury like that to be so much more improved. So I think Levinas added sewing news game Richardson. Yes used to just higher this year. But almost all what he's doing that high usage. All almost all of what's making him officiant right now is forty five percent three point shooting. And that's not going to continue even if you get down to forty percent, which would be awesome based on the type of looks that he's getting you know, he's still closer league average. You can't finish around. In the room right now. You know, he's not really inefficient two point shooter. He has curbed his turnovers. But does it doesn't get a ton of assist? Doesn't put a ton of pressure on the defense other than bombing those three pointers. So I think Richardson, we'll see where he's at the end of the year. But I I don't know if he's going to end up in the same category. As Levin wants the season is over a just because Inc. Levin is added more sustained sustainable stuff, really change. What I talk about most improved. I kinda like it to focus on guys who. Okay, didn't just get incrementally better in every area. But you really added something to your game that I didn't think you could add an egg Levin falls in that category for me, and I will take care of silver. It probably does for me as well with maybe up, and it's really too bad. We're not going to get to see what he was able to to over the course. But we'll be back in playing this. Well, at the end of the year another heat stat for you. You dot us has has a forty one percent usage and a negative twenty six point two PR. But he's he's only played six Milwaukee Bucks. Eleven and four three and three in their last six a. A little disappointing. They had that first game back from the road trip. Hangover lawsuit against Memphis, but then proceeded to blow out the bulls who also helped Toronto end their mini losing skid and the buffs have had verger schedule. So far important. Remember about them that basically is may have been before they played the bulls. But they have the easiest schedule a going forward when you look at what a opponents records are because they've played so many good teams already. They already had a west coast swing in which they played all good teams, essentially, so they are I in the NBA in net rating, we've in a couple of pieces come out recently. A the the second ranked offense eighth ranked defense. Now the predicted for fifty five wins a couple of pieces. Have come out recently. One was capeeze. Another was Ben Taylor's most recent podcasts, the thinking basketball podcast subscribe to that. It's great pod. But both of them did research showing that based on the profile. They've had so far. It would be a historical oddity for team that has. Started as well as they have KP focused on blowout wins. Ben Taylor focused on healthy starts, essentially how good teams have been when healthy and for them not to win over fifty five games with this kind of start would be a historical anomaly, basically is what both of them were came up with. So that's that's great news for bucks fans. It really is. And they are going to be dealing with more injuries over the next near term. I mean, whether those injuries are impactful will have to see so John Henson has a torn ligament in his left wrist. He was going to be out probably until after the all star break, and he does plan to return the season. But that's a long time, and that might open the door for a Maury honest at the five just depending on how they wanna do it. And also more Thon maker at the five which is exciting as a kind of a test case because you and I both feel that defensively he's a much better fit for where this team wants to go in April may and hopefully June than brook Lopez's just because though Pez can be. Employed by the best teams that Lopez clearly is a far superior offense blurred at thought I mean thought is maybe supported a little bit with the shooting so far but Lopez of in the way, he's Bye-bye me a second quite continue like this. But you know, he's on pace for the most threes ever by seven footer as bacon, some real deep attempts. Like we saw in that game in Denver. But I think even Ilyasova who's kind of been the guy that they've gone to at center rather than Lopez at the end against this kind of the more mobile option still is just I mean Ilyasova slow for four he's more mobile than Lopez. But he's not really a guy who can move his feet that while a excellent help defender, but he's he's not a switch guy. You're still going to be playing conventional pick and roll defence. You know, we saw the Celtics, for example, it up a result more switching with on it. And so I think while you never wanna say this. I I'm very impressed with what Henson has done adding the three ball to his game this year that I think it is a good thing for the bucks to kind of be forced to play on. And just either develop ensuite they have with him try to find. Another way to be adaptable defensively because they need some different ways to go here. A against some of the best teams. Now, you might say, hey, you know, what in the Easter aren't like unbelievable offense of teams of the Boston. Just lit them up. You had to breads even just understands how to attack this team. We maybe we won't see that all the time from Boston. But it's it'll be interesting to see maybe thought just won't play. I mean, we've we've we saw last year in the playoffs. He came alive is horrendous during the regular season despite plenty of opportunity being gifted to him the other injury, they have done to even Chun's, oh who has not been shooting it well from three we've seen Pat Coniston move into a more prominent role constant has been very effective for them. Devon shanzer will miss at least three games with a left quadriceps strain, the first of which was Friday against Chicago. So he'll be reevaluated after that. So let's start with a Hiba Osas ZOA Sousa also Osas zoo. Yeah. Also, I think is. A should the bucks offer Middleton the max XM? So I'll take the max as five year contract hundred ninety million th the full boat here just to give you the relevant information on Middleton. His cap will be a little bit less than that. But if they hold on his capital, even if they move everyone else, they're not gonna have space. So the the idea of gotta retaining him with the small capital doesn't really make a ton of size. And then he is twenty seven right now he turns twenty eight in August God. That's it's a lot. Because basically the commitment for Milwaukee. If they if they give Chris Middleton the full boat is basically this is our team for the remainder of this contract for us. And then, you know, depend on the next one whether that's with with them or with someone else and Middleton is probably the best that they can do. And it's not like they can pivot from Middleton to someone else. Like, oh, we can give somebody else. The max, I've probably got I think I probably would just because the idea present value versus feature value, and I'm. Sure. Other people will be knocking at his door just because of the scarcity of of wings in this market. But I feel uncomfortable about it just because he is a good complimentary player. And maybe there is a little bit more room for him to grow. But I mean, you're basically saying, okay, we need Thon to improve Miana's can have to take another step. But basically that we are. I mean, even tens of I guess as well like, that's it's a big. It's a big bet to make much depends a at how things end up, right? I mean, if if Middleton continues to play this, well, if the bucks make it to the east finals, how competitive are they there? But remember course so much of this is about getting Yoenis to sign on for a more. He's gonna almost certainly be eligible in the twenty twenty off season for that designated player veteran extension. So that of course, is the crossroads for him and the franchise so they basically got two more years to impress them. And if they lose Middleton next year, I see the way in which they could replace him and be as good and while you might say. Hey, you know, what the honest is pretty young in theory. If you could just rely on the honest being on the team forever. You might say, hey, we're let Chris go this year. But then we can have bigtime counts space in twenty twenty. We might be able to build around you a little bit more. But that's the time when he's gonna be making the decision, and so they can't it's not really an option to take a step back next year. And so if the only way that I could retain him is to bite the bullet and say at five years hundred ninety million. Okay. I mean, I think you know, assuming that they end this year playing pretty well, you probably gotta just do it even though that obviously is you know, it's probably at overpay for even at the start. And you know, when you do it by your contract to a twenty seven year old that you're overpaying at the start. You don't want to think about what the bachelor even though I do expect him to age a little bit better due to size a and shooting ability. You'll maybe there's room for kind of the DeRosa in the five year deal at a little bit less of the max, you know, ten million less than the max over five years, but still way more than you could get over four years know, there might be room for someone like that or, you know, slightly smaller raises or something along those lines. But. I mean, I think you assuming that they're pretty good. Like what else? Can you do? I mean, the alternative yet paying him as may not be great. But the alternative is even less palatable. I was more other kind of like we do quickly. So one from erotica. How would you evaluate their free agency additions? I think done really well overall being Brooke for the he got the biannual, right? Yes. He's making three point three point four is great one of the best free agent contracts, especially of the short-term variety. I mean, he's really helped them Ilyasova. I still, you know, it still seems like a lot to give Ilyasova. But having that third year be non-guaranteed is really helpful because then they can kind of get out of it if they need they need to. But then they don't have to seven million freely. So is not bad contin has done. Well, and remember they had on guaranteed season on him to. Yes. So Coniston's and other success. I like Christian would I think Christian would can be a part of their options now which on heads out. So I think I think they've done really well, and when you consider that they had the with leading Jafari Parker go they had the mid level the bi-annual and minimums base. Basically, it would be hard under realistic circumstances to expect much more production than they've gotten out of that ground. It'd be both gave them a poor grade part of my reason, which I already acknowledged on yesterday show is that you know, we thought, hey, for who you got you might as well kept her on Parker, and then yeah, you would ahead to pay the tax potentially. But so be it. A Parker has looked good as a bowl. And I thought that part of the idea for keeping around Parker. Was you got to get some kind of an upside on this team to play incredible. They're already playing credible. There'd been even better than we thought. They buy improved to under bud. Now, we'll see how they end the season up, and we'll see how much Ilyasova hurts them next year. We'll see whether Ersan Ilyasova even helps them in the playoffs that much I think he's helped them so far in the regular season. But you know to say that they've got just so much more from him. They made they could've gotten. It's like thought at the back of four or whoever else that Cobra you'll baby Anthony tall verse of like that that they may be brought in as the backup four instead of Ilyasova who will they would have been a one year contract. Instead it to you know, if you. If they could assign news over for one year or seven million that I would I would have felt much better about it. You know? So we'll see if they there is also a thought to that they might Middleton and Bledsoe could leave and then they would have to reload and that seven million freely. So it wouldn't help them that much. They're either, you know, the way everyone is playing right now is seems more likely that they'll come back. But you know, remember could change a ton even between the start of the playoffs. And would you get knocked up says Portland about that last year? So my objection. There was always the second year. The who else is bidding this much forum aspects, I it's the same thing as like, you know, with the shooter contract to it. Okay. See or the straight for Blaker from. It's like we didn't object because of like how he was gonna play in the first month of the season that was that wasn't the objection to that signing, but certainly their off-season looks far better now than it did at the time with Parker playing poorly with them playing so well and Lopez lost one quickly. Yeah. Absolutely. Last one quickly from polls that me sex, and this will tie in with Lopez is the buck success more about how good Boone Holzer is. Or how bad Jay? Kid was. So I think there was a lot of low hanging fruit that any reasonable coach would have been able to tie in defensively, especially like there was just a lot that they could do. But what booed and holes are has really added is this going really forward with force basing centers and advancing the advancing the offense. And so I would say under a different coach. Maybe they're defensive rating could be similar in that range, but offensively be lower. And I have my qualms Boone holder as a playoff coach. But I I would say this is more kid being bad. But it's closer than I would've expected. Yeah. Looking forward to a just going to schedule my tweet now for like, you know, the first Saturday of the play offs of like Mike booed knows? We're going for quick to. But yeah, it's not for them. And the fact that they're bombing forty three's a game. I mean, that's just fantastic. Let's move now to the next one of their fundamentals. The Knicks are four and twelve one in five since the last fifteen in sixty day are twenty six the net rating negative seven point four twenty four in offense. Twenty six defense and five thirty projects them to win twenty two games which would put them fourteenth in the Eastern Conference. And yeah, I mean, so I think we'll start. I like that the the action started a different question because this is the most interesting to me, I will not I will not butcher the last name. So I will not say it's only now Omnitracs Kia banshee in and said, basically the question is what would your he said offensive plan. But I'm gonna just say plan. What was your plan for the Knicks beat if they do not end up getting Kevin Durant chill, which is part of why the Noah's stretched didn't make much sense as you've written and talked about in particular. You've been a thought leader on that one. But yeah, there are many who agree with you, including me. Yeah. I mean, I think I think it's Eglin wake briefly as a point of clarification, let's expand this to drink and other max players because it's not like, oh, if you can't get rid get, Kyrie Irving. Okay. It's the same basic approach light. So if they don't get any sample plan. Oh, hey, let's offer. This max player Amax contract. Oh that doesn't take a ton of incredible foresight there. Yeah. I think it's just take bad bunny and tried to get another good traffic made part of it probably depends on who they dropped a lot of it depends on how porzingas looks you know, they are going to lose a little bit accounts face, if they give porzingas the max contract, and you know, rather than relying on his capital. But there are a lot of the bad when he'll come off the books. I mean, I guess there's who else is left with there's not really anyone left other than Hardaway won't come off the books in twenty twenty Lee is really the only one and a lot of that gets eaten up in the difference between porzingas cap hold and what he would be making a on a max contract in two thousand twenty. So they really aren't going to have much more space. I don't think in twenty twenty and let's just forgetting somebody here that's gonna be coming off the books. Now, they won't they'll be right about the same same level, again kind of one or the other guy. You might have been thinking about is Noah. But now that's not. I mean, he is because he got strut. So he's six million the next three years after this one. So, but I think if there's what you really want to. Void doing is kind of the short term. Let's throw our money at the best guy we can find. And because they're just they're so far away. It just I mean there other than, you know, maybe a porzingus they're still in the same areas locks when they all these young guys Robinson Knox who's really struggling by the ways since he came back from that ankle injury Robinson is looked pretty good and his cancer is complaining about that playing enough down the end of games, but he's also and his canter, and it doesn't matter. But you know, nil king they want to develop question about him in a second. So you know, it doesn't make sense to sign ill. You might try to say, hey, you know, will sign like a Trevor REEs type guy just to sort of help these guys move along here. Get some veteran leadership and someone who actually plays or you take on the money and try Gannett in twenty twenty in hope that these young guys can develop more than you get obviously another hydrophobic which they are quite untracked for the season. But yeah, I mean, that's not a sexy plan. But anything else is the worst one to me? Yeah. I mean, it would be great. Assuming porzingas is the foundational piece that we're. Kind of building these logic. This piece around is getting a pick and roll. I mean, if you get a maestro. Great if you can get you like the term operator, forget somebody like that would be great. And generally speaking, it's really hard to get those players through the draft. Just because it takes some time and everything else and is Bob Coble. He's a maestro. I don't think enter that reference sun-filled up. So Elaine once the guy or dates, the guy who demands be called mice rope like his actual name is oh, that's. There's nothing for sale and Tuscany or nothing for rent in Tuscany. Silly. You're looking at the point guards of this class. This is a very deep point guard class, but I don't know how many of the guys fit that description main campus wonderful, but he's also twenty nine I believe so that you that you restart to run into the age curve issues Rubio's shooting, especially if they're going to keep Frank on the floor creates problems, I mean, Ed, so and then you get into young guys. I mean, like, I think Dinwiddie actually pretty fascinating there. Maybe they could get him at a reasonable enough price where it's not prohibitive on the other moves they wanna make so, but that's that's the challenge. So if you can't really get in that group, and then you also don't want to if the next especially if they're going to be bad for another year, you don't necessarily want to commit to a single player because you don't know what you're going to need. Like, let's say you drafted like all of a sudden the guys that are available your pick our that position or the develop -bility. And are maybe the guy that you drafted in the second round this, you know, in two thousand nineteen works out. So I wouldn't tie tie yourself to it unless you know, this is a guy we can slot in some. Somewhere with where this team is going David Lee at the great greats. I would if that's Israel Dame readies just calling himself that as 'cause he's the Knicks fan and hearkening back to the days of David -ly. Howdy, Mitchell Robinson, and Chris zingers coexist. If their best position is at centre while I mean, I think Brazilians has got to be played at the four. He wants we played it the four the fact that he tours ACL beans is much more likely to get played at the four because of the nebulous wear and tear, supposedly, I know of no actual evidence. That would indicate that you're more likely to get injured or terriers yell again if you play center as opposed power forward, but I'm sure as the perception for bolt player and team you Robertson as a traditional center is probably not gonna play more than twenty five minutes a game. Maybe he can get to be mobile enough that he can play more than that. But while he looks like a real nice player. And I think he could be a future starter someday in the right to be excited about him. I think you could certainly start both those guys I mean having that type of shop lock. At length. I mean, even if you're a little slower against most teams, I mean still having that type height on the floor is a massive impediment. If you want to get into the playoffs against best shooting teams, yet might be difficult, but they're so far away from that. Anyway, I think they could make a very good defense round those two guys in time. And then you could always close games Kristaps at center or play him at center on the second unit. If you needed to an offense way, I think those guys work fun together crusade space in the floor Robinson as a big gravity guy rolling to the rim. My one concern is what you do with ridge Mitchell Robinson when you're running the picket role with porzingas because then if his guy that might make life a lot harder on the point guard, just they can't get all the way to investigate 'cause there'll be somebody. Maybe they can do about passes and things of that nature. Young. This is he's the pick and pop guy. He's not actually going to catch the ball. Right. That's what I was talking about what the point guard what the point guard can do because that's the person who I think would be more impacted by Robinson porzingas because he's just go. But I mean, I think Robinson with his gravity as alleyoop guy is probably a better fit than most centers. Because you know, if you come if you're you think about it, you're that point guard coming off the screen. They gotta stick to porzingas the way Hugh's to with Dirk. And then now you're coming down hill, and you've got a two on one. But a two on one with Robinson there. You can throw it up by the rim. Whereas, you know, some other more ground bound centers that you don't have as many passing angle. So if you're going to play a Senator next to porzingus, I think Robinson is actually a a reasonably solid fit less questionnaire. Should we expect Frank ntilikina to be an Andre Roberson type player says a Rune Kumar? What do you think? Robertson's extremes are unrealistic to expect from Frank in either direction. Actually, I think he's a more capable overall offense a player. I mean, we saw back when he played in. In Europe that his catch and shoot ball is pretty solid. And I think he's you know, can do more with the bomb. Sanson Roberson not that's a high bar, but Roberson I I liked Franks defensive potential a lot. I think he's done. Does a really nice job on ball really makes guys where can defend ideally both guard positions, but Roberson is special. I mean, he's like an all defensive team guy already. And so there's a chance that Frank gets there. But I'm not necessarily going to expect it until we see that game in game out for a larger sample because that's you know, it's not talking about like Canfranc be in all albeit guys. Can we expect it, and I don't think we should expect? It yet though. It is absolutely a possibility all defense. I I assume you mean it and Frank's just he doesn't have the same size and strength as Roberson not as good of a rebounder either. So the yet, but I think bring me better offensively before we move on to the eighty eight Orlando Magic wanna tell you about a company that is actually saved me. 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That's always good to say the record that they actually are. But the epic actually are eight at eight five to rousing Wednesday blew out the Lakers they beat the Sixers in Jimmy Butler is first game negative went on at running at the twenty second. They are the twenty first defense that is actually better Nicola Petrovich has been going off lately. That's the biggest reason for that. And sixteenth to defense which again is a step forward. A pure impressed with what you saw from John Isaac. Against the Lakers. He's returned a couple of games ago from that sprain writing. Yeah. Isaac is still coming off the bench for Orlando there. They have owned do in the starting five still even know Isaac is going back and he only played seventeen minutes against the Lakers. But he had five blocks. I went back and watched them Isaac Stephenson potential is what God both of us infatuated with him if any and I think he's been better than we thought. He would be a defense. Yeah. And I think so too. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Because the idea for me offensively with him was always like fourth or fifth option, and then he's just a defensive monster. And he's been a defensive Munster, and he's looked like a fifth or sixth option offensively for most part and five blocks and the last one of them was my favorite. I mean, he did some on ball some off ball. But it was blocking Casey p dunk attempt and transition it was there was the question with that. Joel Embiid one about whether that was a block it was they credited with block it was. And is it just goes for stuff? That's one of the things that I love so much for especially young defensive player. Just yes. Sometimes you're going to get called for fowl. Sometimes you're gonna get dunked on but going for because that overall that will benefit your team more than it hurts, especially if you're as talented as Isaac is. So how Steve Clifford how this front office figures out there front court minutes rotation concept team is going to be so fascinating. And I hope that I'm not just sitting here keeping for Jonathan Isaac as the second draft guy in two years. But if that's where it's going to need to be the nets where I'll be that blocked that he had on Joel Embiid, which actually was not credited to him initially in the magic, successfully and correctly lobbied the league that it should be reminded me of the way allows the morning news to block dunks his philosophy was he and even later in his career is really good at it. His philosophy was you might be able to jump higher than me on a dunk. But no matter how high you jump. You always gotta bring the ball back to down to the rim. And so what he would do is. You'd put his hand up in front of the rim. Bill, basically, really close to the room. When the if he knew the guy was going up for a dunk because of you, if a guy's a real Skywalker. If you try and. Meet him at the very top of his of his jump. You're probably not get your arm up as high and is just going to go right over you, and Doug it. If you just basically hold your hand in the the path of where you know, he has to go to bring the ball to the rim. You can block a lot more dunks that way, and that's what he did a on that play against Embiid assertive with this one. I of like this one off from Marfan over under thirty five wins this year for the magic they are projected four thirty four by our friends at five three that's a really good number. I think that the magic actually on talent are right around that line. Maybe like thirty six or because remember they're getting guys back and everything like that. But generally teams that are thirty five thirty seven even wind talented teams end up winning fewer than that. Because they're probably not gonna make the playoffs. You know, getting into the though the magic would directly with how weak the bottom of the east is actually have a shot at it generally those teams, and maybe they get sidetracked by injury or to like Orlando did laugh. Year or they get just out of the playoff Nixon. They fall. So I think the Bajic or maybe a better team did number, but I'll go under just because that's the way this usually works. Yeah. There's also the possibility of a trade, and if they start mogambo instead of Benjamin for as much as we'd kill switch over the years means having a wonderful offensive season just to give you some of his stats so far this year. He's at forty four percent from downtown and shooting fifty five percent overall from the field, which is just so much better than a usually is and drew shooting a sixty percent of an easy usually in the low fifties that now is that gonna continue? It's even like skinny the follow on Odal bit more than he normally does though it's still not that much, but any has been excellent, of course, on the defensive glass, and you know to have more length. Iran him makes it a little harder to take advantage of him. You know, I do think that they're ahead of themselves at sixteenth in defense. I don't quite expect that to continue. But I agree with you. If any traits happened like so much. Of this actually really depends on if they could just get lucky and close games for like a month or two here and be like a Ron five hundred a month before the trade deadline, then maybe they hold on all these guys and they hit that over otherwise, maybe not. But I think even if they keep this whole team this year, I think they're still little bit below that level in terms of their overall talent. Well, and something I agree with you when something else to to mention here is they haven't absolutely brutal stretch of schedule coming up. So they play Tuesday right before thanksgiving against they host the raptors. Then they go on a west coast based road trip. Denver Lakers warriors is back to back Portland Phoenix. And then for whatever reason they go to Miami before a home game. But I mean, they're probably just stay in Orlando for a few days to do it that way. But I mean, that's just brutal. I mean, they're underdogs in all of those games. But phoenix. And then maybe the Miami game. We'll see where heat are at that point and probably a net one as well. And not only are they underdogs. But I mean, they're going to need to play like the way they. Did when they you know, beating Philly like they've had some really nice wins this year they beat that game against San Antonio as well, but those are the types of performances. Oh, yeah. That's right. They also be Boston that game was super weird, but they're gonna need to have those type of performances to even get close to five hundred on that trip. Here's a quick when we could do Chris bachelor s doesn't Aaron Gordon for Brandon Ingram trade make sense for both sides. Certainly Lakers fans are apoplectic that you'd even imply that heir Gordon could be as good as Brandon Ingram. But I think they actually they have celebrities Gordon probably takes more threes than he should in isn't good Adam to both take more midrange was than they should Ingram doesn't take enough threes, and maybe should take more because he's better atom of. But the big problem here is the salaries the Lakers are not interested in taking on any more money for next year, and any trade like that would almost certainly lead to them increasing their twenty eighteen nineteen salary obligations. So they would not be interested in that. I mean, I think you could potentially make an argument that Gordon could be a little bit. Better fit than Ingram. But it's not really particularly compelling to me. So no, I don't know that that necessarily makes us I think the magic would certainly rather have Ingram than Gordon. I probably would at this point just due to the fact that I think that Gordon you'll just doesn't have that much upside as a ball Heather left to explore whereas Ingram at the key. Does his TISCO performed so far in his careers, but underwhelming as far as how much he's actually contributing to winning. But there are ways in which you could say this guy could be someone who we're going to put the ball in his hands. And really haven't matab in the magic, you know, don't have that. I think just he's more of a three than Gordon is I like his fit next Isaac butter. So I understand what the measure grew on a do that. I don't think the Lakers would if the contracts weren't the same baby, it would make more sense. But that's also are those deals that like he'll both teams overvaluing their own. They're young guys. Like just doesn't happen. Even if the talents are kind of quivalent, which was you wanna do not Asher asked if they should make a play for John wall. I think the magic could really use a point guard. Especially somebody who has more established like who won't have the learning curve. Even though they're they have young guys if they wanted to really grow. I mean, the east is there like their spots for the taking if they were better. But the problem is John wall makes too much damn money. I mean for years one hundred and seventy one million after this year that's about forty three million a year and the team's finances. Just get totally out of whack. And as I said with a Kevin love thing back in the Cleveland part of the fifteen and sixty in the previous episode those obligations run out so far that there isn't really a way to mitigate it. And so Orlando is basically committing to him being a part of it. And he's too old for their young. Are you if you go I like, the seven seed, maybe ended think of spent all these years in the wilderness, and then you make a trade that basically makes you too good to get more stars. Although they might they might be that. Anyway, unfortunately, we'll we'll see how their lottery luck happens where they finish this year. And how the new odds up affecting them. But yeah, is like what are you get in there? If you're going to trade for John wall, certainly. Could help them. I would love to see the run more Gigi him to pick and pop with. And he hasn't really had like a great pick and pop partner. We'll see whether which is going to be back or not next year. That'll be a really interesting one. A really interesting decision for this team with his well-used play. Suzanne can continue to play this wolf. But you know, if he can keep that up to some degree. But yeah, I don't think walls the answer and third plenty of point guards on the market next year who could be competent. And maybe you could see this team making a run for the lower end of the playoffs with just competency, you having that was the question is are they another question from David Makamba are the magic assault starting point guard away from the there a starting point guard away from at least contention. Yeah, I've nothing really to add there. I agree with you are two more to go here. Let's move to Philly. Yeah. Let's do it. So the Sixers are eleven and seven five into since last time we did this. They are slight negative net rating negative zero point two puts them sixteenth eighteenth and offense thirteenth in defense and five thirty projects them to win fifty two which would put them in a tie. For third with Boston. I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. Boston and fifty two and then raptors a fifty eight bucks at fifty five. So would you like to update us on a set the probably with the addition of Butler may be as Dr be that interesting anymore, but the faults effect well actually could end up if they keep on beasts thing, which are on the four might end up getting more start just less relevant of. So so far the Sixers web Embiid Simmons and Foltz are out there hundred eleven minutes, they have a plus zero point eight net rating, and that's mostly because their offense is below a hundred appoint per session there ninety nine to offense of writing. And then when Simmons and beat play together without Markelle Fultz, the defense stays about the same actually gets slightly better. But then the offense jumps all the way to one. Oh four, but that gives them a plus six points you net rating, and we'll see what happens with Butler Butler hitting that crazy step back three to his right? Interesting. That now both of these possessions were end of game tie game run the clock down possessions. But they did go to Jimmy Butler on both of those just straight up isos again. I think that's the broad generally is not that into the isos up. But they haven't really had anyone who could do that. Either. A so maybe now he's like Finally, I just do this. And we've seen the Sixers really struggled to get looks leading game sometimes or turn the ball over. So. Yeah, you went to two Butler isos the deregulation Butler dot got a pretty good look that just missed and then he hit that crazy step back. Three overdoing bacon to win that game in Charlotte. Where do you wanna start in terms of questions here? Couple of interesting ones. Start with one from Roman mass Lenicov, which is Ken Mike miscall be a credible backup center in the playoffs. I don't think. So I mean offensively having the ability to space the forest nice. But we already saw him get attacked a couple of different ways, including in that loss to the early in. No magic in pick and rolls and as you face superior opposition. Especially some of the teams that they could be facing in the first round that becomes a pretty big problem. So, you know. I there are circumstances where he's not the point of failure. But it is credible. I would probably say that's too much. I mean, maybe they could just win games offense Wli with him out there that may just the the ideas he spaces the floor world up. He has been more aggressive looking for the three ball of depending who they're going against two. I really don't like him against Toronto against Falun Tunis as a backup center army. He's Moskal one of his biggest problems. He's improved in this, certainly. But when he first came into the league is so spill, you really would just get beasted, and we still seen that from him from time to time. And so I don't like Toronto you'll Milwaukee I think it could be a little bit better for him. But he's not an amazing rim-protector is not amazing pick and roll defender. So yeah, me certainly a below average defensive center, I still like a better at center than at power Ford where he's been closing games with mill Wilson Chandler, oughta minutes limit. So now, I mean, I'm not too excited about him. Is he gonna kill them, you know, better than Amir Johnson? Who really is was has been a struggle. For him in the playoffs last year. Can we say that the Sixers declining the rookie scale option for the third year on for cork BAAs was a mistake. Cork Mazas a heads a moments in the last couple of games. I said before the decision was made that I would have picked it up. Just because the odds that that two million burns them were lower. Now that two million exchanged actually since the Jimmy Butler deal, which obviously had not been made at that point. But yeah, I mean, I think he's shown more capability and shooting is something we know the Sixers are going to need. So I don't think it's like a huge mistake. But if I were to sit if I were to kind of put it on a scale right now, I would go more towards mistake. Then right call. Yeah. I think this is one that you and I disagreed on. When we did that episode. I'm not willing to change that stance. I I have been impressed with what we've seen for him. He does provide just a little bit more dynamic offense than maybe someone like Shamet in terms of creating shots. And he hasn't looked as terrible defensively. But no, we can't definitively say that he could be terrible the rest of the year that could really need that two million. Who knows? And regardless of what happens with them. He's not going to be a guy based on his physical profile where you're like, oh, man like we would have won this playoff series. If we'd only had for cork vas in the twenty twenty playoffs or something. So I don't think they're gonna like live to regret it forever or something like that. But basically any player who's useful? You would wanna keep them run for two million. It remains to be seen to me whether he's used floor, but there have been some encouraging signs for him in the last few games of why can't the the? That that that's the question. I was going to do from Jonathan Vallejo. Why can't the Sixers? Try Simmons the backup center. I mean, they can. But the big problem there as it is for almost every team that wants to go small at the five is do you have enough wings? And the Sixers absolutely do not have enough wings at this point in me. And we've talked about how narrow their rotation is. And a couple of those guys are already big. So it would be great if they had enough depth to be able to make that happen. It'd be fun to see where it could go. But they do not have the personnel at the moment. Maybe you tried in flashes. But they don't they have the guys we've seen them try to look I mean, whether you want to call Chandler or Simmons the center in those lineups at basically as a way to make Foltz playable by getting more shooting and speed on the floor. So if you're gonna play Foltz, you know, he's got some size too. If you wanna throw it Radic out there Butler now, I like the staggering Butler and Simmons and who knows where fulls comes it. But I don't think it makes a ton of sense unless you're gonna Foltz out there because you don't really have anyone else. To bring in that way, who has some size except for folks with the idea there is going to be doing more switching which you know, that becomes difficult with Radic out there. So it gets more of a gimmick at this point. If they had more guys size of wouldn't throw that out for being a possibility in the future. But I don't think it makes sense with the rest of their personnel. What is your Smith's role when healthy on the new look Sixers as semi and probably to sit on the end of the bench because it is extremely unlikely to me that he will be an NBA called shooter. And he runs into the same issues as the volts and McConnell, and every other guy they have who already can't shoot at all. So if he can make shots yoke, they'll probably give him a shot at some point of day believe in playing guys in developing them. And they obviously were a big believer in his talent. It's been a shame that he said these complications from the allergic reaction after he also had this foot injury in companies debut until the new year, but brookies who come in at that time. I mean, I I don't think he's going to be able to contribute to them if you, but maybe you could. Talk about Danny of like a house economic fit in if you can kind of evolve a little bit beyond his rookie season going forward for these guys in that lens. I think Smith is a compelling fit because he is I think he profiles relatively well. As a lower usage guy that can defend and we don't know if he's gonna hit open shots. That's the question is going to largely define his career. He made forty five percent of his threes at Texas Tech. But that looks anomalous, you know, seventy two percent free throw shooter. I believe that people who had watched him in high school thought that that looked a little bit ridiculous. So those kind of low usage, though, usage activity type of players, especially when they have his size. He's Zaire's listed at at six five. But I know he has a crazy long wingspan. So yeah, I think he could actually fit in there if he shoots enough that that teams are going to put a body on him. And then that can create more real estate for Simmons for Embiid for everybody else. So yeah, I I actually think he could be a good fit. If he gets towards the higher end of his of his scale, we just have to see Smith can be that guy. But he's. A nice kind of want to call it a lottery ticket a guy to have who could fit in with Butler and Simmons and bead without taking much away. All right. We still got the wizards to go, but eighteen you wanted to talk about since we got this five days that we're not gonna have any episodes. Yeah. So I I know who the guest is. But I have a policy that I don't say who it's going to be until I've actually recorded it. But I'll have a new real Jim radio at this week. It should be pretty fun. And I think by piece for the athletic. That's gonna come out for the whole MBA site is something that you and I haven't talked about much on the show, but we will eventually which is the teams that have the flexibility to add salary this season. So I went through the teams that have trade exceptions how much base they have under the under the cap under the tax, and then some of the other teams that could make imbalanced trades because they have a lot of space under the tax, but they don't have trade exception. So I went through all that I like to have it as a as a piece that's kind of in people's back pockets of thinking when they're thinking about oh by team meets to cut five million. Here's maybe how they could do it took it wash. Now five and ten three and three they've righted the ship somewhat since a disastrous start in their last six negative five point six net rating is still pretty bad that twenty fifth in the NBA sixteenth ranked offense let's despoilment thirtieth ranked defense that's even more of a disappointment. But nonetheless, they still project a for five thirty eight with forty one wins which would be the succeed though. There's a lot of teams clustered in that projection range. So we're I want to start with the the wizards is a question. We don't have the the questioner on. It is basically why is the wizards come? I think that's more people talking about the wizards not CARA, and I can't remember the name of their play by play person talking about John wall's performance when he's been fine. Instead of Otto porter who has been disappointing, and there is some validity to that to be sure of it so walls, you know, if you wanna look more at the individual offensive stats, they're actually pretty similar to sixteen seventeen which is best year in terms of P E R. And when you look at it than the wizards offense overall is not nearly as strong in walls minutes, they have a one. Offensive rating in his minutes. That's good for sixtieth percentile in this super-charged climate, still slightly, slightly supercharge. And they were ninety first percentile one fourteen point three that sixteen seventeen year when he was when he was injured less than he was last year. So then you're going, okay. Well, how much of that is well how much of that is this teammates? An a big part of it is that three point shots aren't going in. I mean today were thirty nine percent that year thirty five this year and auto porter going back to Otto porter is the only wizard taking more than one three pointer a game who shooting better than thirty four percent from three. He's at a whopping thirty five point two feels at thirty four Uber as at twenty eight wall himself as at thirty one. And another thing that has hurt their offense. So far is the lack of offense of rebounding now Dwight his backs that should presumably be helped. They had this God awful center rotation often playing really small there. So I think that porter is a is a kind of a natural scapegoat because he has getting paid a big salary and wall hasn't whilst Ben pretty good. But I mean, it's all. Is going to go to the the best player to the most important player when a team is underperforming. Even if a lot of that, I would say is not Jon Wolfsthal. Yeah. And certainly the defensive effort has not been there the stats, which are very disturbing that go back to last year of him spending. Basically more time walking than just about any other player in the NBA. The transition game has not been as strong as it used to be. And when he does do these headlong Russia's in transition he's exhausted. He can't get back on defense in the really struggle there. Certainly he's always kind of been like a prickly guy. The media doesn't still the biggest figure on this team. So some guys to address the question of why he gets the blame. You know? That's part of why it is just you know, the biggest star. And he's he's doesn't seem like the most facile guy with the media. There's always seems to be like some controversy going on around him. So I mean, the the early stuff in his career like the count coward or whatever was ridiculous. But you know, he's not like a guy who. Seems like an awesome teammates feuding with teammates. He feuds with opponents, whatever it is a when things just seem like a disaster. He always kinda seems to be at the center of rightly or wrongly another question here. Simple from truth serum will the wizards make the playoffs sickle at the standings right now here they are projected to by five thirty with those forty one wins when you got to think about who is really their competition. I think right now you'd probably say especially with delivered injury. You're looking at ten teams for eight slots, I think we can comfortably slot the top five teams ahead of them. So we're looking at for three spots five teams pistons magic Hornets, heat wizards and the wizards sit two games behind the eighth seed right now, and that doesn't seem insurmountable to me despite all of their issues. I still think they have more talent than the magic more talent than the pistons. I mean, they're probably still the most talented team of that. And so. You might say, hey, they're just there to screw defensively. They're always gonna suck. But they're not going to continue to be this bad. They certainly I have injected in the last week or so, but they were giving up a crazy percentage on opponent three pointers. So they definitely have to be the most offensive town of those teams the only team dealing one of these teams that has good offense is the Hornets and so much of that is built on what come has been doing. We talked about why they might regress as well. The the Hornets in particular. So no, I think they will make the playoffs. They've righted the ship a little bit here. You'll we talked about that like okay there too in eight th they better start at least winning some games. They've done that, you know, they've at least they plu out the Cavaliers the other night there. I don't think they're like totally out of it yet. You know, these guys are going to start shooting better from three you've talked about what some of their woes are there. So no, I think they will make it. But certainly not a guarantee the stats on on the three point shooting as of when we're recording. This magic are sorry. The wizards are giving up thirty nine point five percent on opponent threes that is. The second strongest shooting percentage in the entirely they're actually holding teams to reasonable number. They're they're Brown league average in terms of attempt proportion, but if teams making that many and they're also giving up forty seven point seven percent on long twos, which is ridiculous. And they are giving up more open shots. Like when you watch them. You see teams get looks. But you don't expect percentages like that even if they're wide open, and and they're so dependent under relation to that. If more than a team in the league, I think they're subject to the feedback. Loops it that you talk about so much where just even an incremental increase in their defense to just get a few more misses that they can run off. It will really help. If you look at those be ashamed to look at some day. Maybe we should make a note of that of who are the teams that have the biggest difference in terms of how effective they are in transition versus normally the kings prior or up there. The Lakers are definitely up there. And the wizards, you know, those are the three that come to mind for me of teams that like really try to run a lot. And then when they get into the half court aren't as effective Lakers VC of the. The of the bronze third brought out the same category as the wizards and the kings are super extreme with that Ben folk wrote a little bit about that couple of days ago. So yeah, I think they're gonna look better. You wanna do a more here reported rep up? Well, actually, I want to give you a scheduling note for the wizard us their next game. It gets their next game against a team. That is not like really in the playoff. Chase is December first against Brooklyn this they have a row they play play. The pelicans twice. They play the rockets they play the raptors. It's just I mean, it might just be that even though their a playoff team on talent that they just tailspin hard in the next like two weeks by the next time. We do this. And we're just like well crap. Even if they could come back here, they probably won't. Yeah. I mean, maybe, you know, maybe they I've said with them you have to get to ten games under five hundred than you know, you gotta really done. It's really time to panic for these guys. So and with that struggle, and that can kind of get into that kind of gets into the last question that we can do for maybe what might godfather offer look like to acquire Bradley Beal and Bill to me is the. Wizard that makes the least sense to trade in terms of theory, because he's young he's talented and his contract looks the best of any of their big contracts. So there isn't a rush there and one of the big problems for the for the wizards. It's like, theoretically, I guess part of the logic. There would be to try to get out from under the luxury tax. So then that so presumably a trade would involve savings. I I don't think I know what it looks like I mean, certainly involves some draft picks and everything else. And I mean if Grunfeld joining this team still for soldier does it does it involve draft picks. I mean, you mentioned Grunfeld ING, you mentioned the approach that they're taking me if they if the godfather offer further still got wall, then there so it's like, so if you're not gonna an port, and so it's like if you're moving Beal, I guess it's doing it to just like mix things up or whatever. But you still have these other players who are paid. Well, and you know, good. So you're you're kind of doing it more to reload than rebuild. I think if you move Bill unless you're gonna try move all three of those guys really blow it up, but that I think could prove difficult. Yeah. Could prove difficult because. The other two guys are on what I consider to be significantly negative value contracts. There's a disagreement on John wall. That's fine. People can disagree disagree. And he wouldn't disagree on that. I had somebody somebody told me that like they're like good players are hard to find. And I was like might just be that whole thing if I carrying I I don't know if it was I don't think it was somebody who necessarily I think highly. I'm sure I made a comment and somebody we'd just like totally. We're all guilty of this in all walks life bunch for all of us in general are like, oh, we got like five Twitter comments or in this case one. Yeah. That sounds like all the this is something that a lot of people really believe it's like, it's it's like the reverse cocoon like the idea that we spend a lot of time in the echo chamber. But then anything that isn't in it ends up reverberating Moore said, yeah, I think that's true. And yeah, I mean, the wizards might they're one of the hardest teams to to blow it up not because they're they're so good or they have so much talent. But just because there are a lot of guys on the team that are really hard to move, and that might end up leading to this awkward circumstance where they just kind of keep it together. And the other reason why argument against trading deal is he fits reasonably well with what they're trying to do like, it's not like they have these mismatch pieces. And so, oh, if you trade player acts for somebody for player, why at a different position with a different niche that all of a sudden this team makes sense. That's not Bradley Beal's problem. That's not really anybody's problem on this team heart. That's a good one end on heavy thanksgiving everyone, and we'll be back on Sunday night 'til them.

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"Happy Friday everybody. Yes, sir. And if you had a NASA lease Baroness who that was pretty good wasn't. It was good self-congratulatory there. I don't mind that. Somebody's gotta congratulate me. That music means that it's day two of the NC double A tournament two of the madness travel to the madness, Chris. Yes. Teen in three day one. I'm on fire fourteen. Right. All right. You are you gonna bring up stuff the rackets busted, just as old as your thirteen three Mark. All right. Ten and six. Well, let me so I'm gonna try to explain this in a way that I hope will help you understand what I'm saying. Okay. Thinking about all of us that do these brackets, right? You all get a bucket, and we all have the same amount of water in the bucket. Okay. Okay. All right to where it gets across the finish line with the most water left in their bucket wins. I stand that. Okay. Yes. So when you lose a first round game, you get like a little pinhole in your bucket, and it starts to leak a little bit. When you lose a second round game. You get a little bigger hole. If you lose a final four team. It's like getting a baseball punched in the side your bucket. That's a big hole. We're here. Let me help you out. There's different kinds of ways news water right now, a lot of your splashed out and your analysis of mine's blast out. We'll spilled out the side with in my analysis every single whole the same size. But that's not how these ever in the history of BRAC, we never actually declared. How does work? How did we turn this to this? I just wanna make sure that every the best price today. Travis at eleven AM. Yes. From Orange County. Yes. The thirteen seed. Yeah. Xiaoyu you up racket the south region right out the south region that thirteen UC Irvine one of those the eaters all the anti thought will take on K state the four seed you got UC Irvine. I do I always go to big west team. And then of course tonight Zion. The number one overall seed the Duke blue devils against ND state that will be at four ten pm coming out of the west region. I think everybody has them in the final four, and then everybody has duping national champion. What is the Indian? Indie state stand for. I think you know. I don't well. You got the d and then you got the end that usually means north the north d- is North Dakota. Yeah. Go. Do they play? They play basketball. You know, what else is a bracket BUSTER guys keys headline this morning with l z Fillon in is presented by sprint Kaku. Travis do. Say cockatoo MU instead of cockatiel. I see what you did there. Yeah. Not bad, Texas, man testing, be Petco model all these animals are welcomed decided to bring his least steer into a store like a steer Steere like a steer complete with big big ass horns. All all pets are welcome. And so he said, all right. I'm going to bring in my steer Google. Does he not realize that that steers taken him for a walk at that point? I don't understand how that safe. It's not. It's not just checking. I mean, they let him in you know, because he had the the leash on you're listening to his kids in Los Angeles. And this no. And the the post that they put on social media has got about half million views so far because the visual of seeing this steer China work yourself into a Petco, which just to delicious Paso kiss. A why would you need to get at Petco that you're steer needs. I get if you're have a fish or a hamster her cat or a dog, you have supplies steam to give it doesn't a steer. Just eat whatever's in the corral. I don't know what you gotta get for there. You know, it's a publicity stunt, obviously, there's a quote here from his from the owners Facebook page were says the staff numbers here always super and courteous to us who really enjoy coming to this location. Our favorite Petco by far. Stop. Favors. Petco is one of the Petco of gotta go there. If you got pets you want, but fared, aren't they all this like McDonald's? They're all the same. Right. You get a Big Mac here. That's a Big Mac doused different. I'm a little bit of a fan of the PetSmart downtown. You have a favorite one. Got people. No, it's like a bar every bras got Jack. But it's a certain way, they're bartender pours it that. Just makes you wanna go back. Usually what the heavy hand that's very Texas of them. It's very Texas only only state that would rival this level of publicity stunt ISM. If you will I order, I this is where I'll push back on that. Because I it would happen in Florida. But it would just be because it happens in Florida. It's like this. This was done with purpose Florida would just happened because they're maniacs. Florida. Right. Exactly, florida. That's a little different. But you know, they said nothing in Texas, but steers, and tears I heard a different. Oh, but that's just me. That's just you. That's our big question. I. Why don't you say the horn horn sled? Who I don't know? So how do you say horny cronies the move on? All right. Moore's criminals, just had a why at the end of it. Oh, no, no, no Lakers tonight. Well, not if you speak it. Not if you learnt the language. Sure. Horn english. It's different if you had ITO it mean small. Right. Quite a neat though. A little horny. Dangelo coming into night with the nets. Does the Angelo have this development? Does DeAngelis become the player that he's become right now if he stays in LA or does he see because like this is not this is not exactly like, the Angelo exclusive? It happens where the guys go to a different place in all of a sudden they blossom limit along the line where Mike journal you see on the sidelines. All Laker game showed us right now. Good morning, Mike. How are you? Good morning, gentlemen. How are you guys? Doing good that how's your bracket doing? Unexpectedly? Good given. I don't really watch college basketball. But that's part of the thing. That's sort of how it works at the tournament. Sometimes. Yep. Not sometimes all the time. The less form yard the better. It seems everybody does just the ngelo. Russell turn into this player. If he's still here in LA, Mike or did he have to go somewhere else to kinda hit a reset button? I mean, I just heard the kinda point you made a second ago. I think a lot of times with these young players that are clear talent. And I I never thought that was a question for Jansher low. I could shoot you can handle that he can see passes happen. The head of time. He's got sized. He was going to get stronger. Like he had plenty of tools. So to me he was going to get better a period where wherever he was. And that was the kind of the struggle to to remind people when he was here because with the number two pick and in all of the expectations in the Lakers. So desperate to get back to be good. And you know, he was the first of those three number two picks. They had I think that that it all just sort of created this aura of of pressure rand in a lot of stuff that sometimes took away from the simple fact that he was going to get better. Now that doesn't mean that it wasn't the right move just giving the contract at the dumps, and they were gonna have your picks and so on. But I do think that the talent was always there, and he was. I was going to get better. I still don't feel as if the question was answered could he have gotten better here? I guess ultimately. Because if if we're having buyer's remorse at all this was where will begin right like the ngelo Russell was supposed to be the beginning piece, and he gets shipped out. And now he's an all-star somewhere else on a playoff team on a playoff team Greenwich east. But nonetheless to play team still would could that have happened for him here. The very short answer. I think is that. Yes. I think that's why I think he had the skills that he was going to get better. Now, you're right to point out the situation being different. And if if they you know, they had drafted Lonzo ball, and what he is just slotted in at the two could have would have had the fall as much especially eventually LeBron James who come over. What what are you been the same type of player? I don't know if you would have been the same type of player, and even though somebody's like me that was very pro sort of what his skillset was Angela when he was here. You know, I I don't think he's technically watch and say this he technically was an ulcer this year. But I don't think he was quite playing it all star level gets even though he started to this last couple couple of weeks that happened because he was an injury replacement and the Commissioner named they had take somebody off of team that they wanted to reward, and you he would certainly be the one that you pick off. But yeah, that that doesn't change the fact that I think that he could have gotten better wherever including with the Lakers. I think the. The skill set is there, but I I wanted to make sure to qualify it by saying that at the same time when they made that deal. Eventually you're going to have to move some of the young guys to dumps of the contracts, and you can't pay all of the young guys who then come up for extension, right, especially if you want to sign a second free agent. So all that still has to remain to be seen because we have to see who if the Lakers are gonna get an initial player whether through trade or just coming in free agency, and that way you wouldn't have been able to afford everybody like all of the young guys including the current gun guys, including free agents, all that kind of stuff. So there's there's a lot of moving parts. But the the quick short answer was the. Yeah, I think he could have gotten better liquor sideline. Reporter Mike Trudell joining us on Keyshawn ills e and Travis so eleven games left. And look the the math works in the Lakers favor. If they lose as many of these eleven as possible, they can get ahead of New Orleans, if they can get ahead of Washington there their odds for a better pit or higher pig go, you know, double nearly in. Of these cases. So how do you approach these last couple of games knowing that the more you lose the better your chances are to get a different player? Well, I it's I think there couple of ways to approach it in, you know, I'll pretty much all of the teams are aware of all of the the math, and they have been for years. And I just remember that a couple of years ago when the Lakers were were in risk of losing their pick. If they if they didn't keep it in the top five that was when they won five in a row late in the season. And they still they ended up in jumping Phoenix, you know, for the lottery odds, and that was to keep the pick or not. So that seems more significant. Remember, everybody's freaking out at the time when they were sort of winning the young guys playing well in this case, you know, I don't think there's that big of a difference. If they end up being getting like the six pick or the six sort of tank rankings versus the ninth because that percentage even though if it might go from twenty percent to thirty percent jump into the top three is still pretty unlikely it still likely they're going to be in that six ten range. No matter what. And I think that if you're if you're somebody that is Lakers fan following the Lakers. The the one thing they've. Done really pretty consistently. Well is draft. And you kinda trust the scouting department. You know to to find the right player that's going to fit and it's going to be an asset in that range. Now, would you rather have the sixth in the tenor of higher percent? Sure. But I don't I don't think that affects too much if you still want you're still kind of playing young guys or James young guys because a lot of young guys aren't even healthy. But you're still playing everybody on the roster. You know, you're you're giving Faulkner minutes, you're you might take a further look at Banga, and I'm not sure some people might what use one where for that. I could call it development. You know, because you're not gonna Bron forty minutes, and they say already sort of change that narrative couple of weeks ago. Travis and I were just talking about this. We can't find an answer to hopefully, you have one. Why was traded? Well, the I remember the explanation at the time 'cause we cause rob Lincoln called there. I think most of us writers are people that the BI writers. And then me jumping on those calls were doing the I think we're Philly and the immediate explanation was was somewhat similar to Bullock in the day. They wanted more shooting and they wanted more roster balance, and they felt like the the center physician they had which at the time with ski and Chander and zoo box they they felt like all three guys did a were similar type of centers and they wanted to stretch five. So that was what point get said at the deadline. Mike Trudell joining us, Mike, you got young kids. So maybe the answer is yes, but keys not here this morning because he has pink. I have you ever been have you ever been flicked it with pink eye? It is kind of nasty. You know, it does last. So I have I have had more the last time when I was it's been years. But my what am I? Both of my kids one of them for sure had it like two years ago. And you know, it is a little greasy. So once one person in your house has it. Everybody gets it. That's just how that works. You didn't get it. Did you might? Yeah. My wife, and I didn't get it though. But I mean, this the more the whole entire morning show is at risk really. Now. Are you are you corn teaming him out of the studio? He's not here. We sent him home with a case of parameter. Do you think this is a brilliant ruse though, by him knowing that you want noth- you'll just want to not have have any part of seeing him at the studio for a couple of days when I did wonder why he was texting us from the airport. No not brought that up. Yeah. I mean like you. You have a track my iphone for his phone. I don't wanna know. I'm good. I'm saying so that's getting so how'd you always from the airport because he was taking pictures? Oh, man. Yes. So Starbucks mine if he's making this up though, that's then. I wish he were waking it up, but I sit across room, and I saw that that read droopy I a couple of days ago, he's not making it up. Oh, man. So you do have evidence that it's actually. That's not good. How do the how did he acquire it better better? We don't ask better. We don't ask that. On the sideline Lakers. Brooklyn nets tonight. Thanks, mike. Thank you, sir. You got. I don't know if the Angela will be the end Lafayette state. It's good question. Which is good question. We'll get into that. Plus, Jeff Goodman breaks down. The madness force that coming up next. Let's dance ills e you don't want me to dance. You don't even you told me. The big dance that dance. Oh, yeah. You dancing. We can you know? I'm just glad you're feeling better than you're able to dance can't really dance. I'm doing more chair sweat doing as more shows. Yeah. Jeff goodman. Join us right now basketball analyst at stadiums dot com. Good morning, Jeff. How are you? I am I'm doing well doing well. Good. Good Jacksonville yesterday. Two three four games for good. Anytime you get three or four. That are good today. I'm I'm headed to Columbia. I don't think I'm gonna get three games. Do can Virginia two of the four. So I think they're going to be ugly. But you know, obviously, the Virginia storyline is going to be one. Everybody's looking at today. I want to get to the games. I want to get to the number one sees Virginia Duke, but Kishan is not here today because he has pink we're taking an informal poll your had pink how Saul. Well. No, no, first of all listen, forget about whether I've had it or not like how soft is that? Like like what what happened? Can't you spray biotic and put some goggles on keep a pusher. They're getting their come on like grinded out a little bit. Everybody's not. Everybody's not us. Jeff thrice not off. That's right. That's what it's all about. I I didn't get paid for. Good question. I thought of that biggest story line from yesterday. And then what should we be looking forward to today? I know you mentioned Virginia radio, but what else is out there today. Yeah. I mean, clearly, I think the biggest storyline was John Moran. Right. Like and not tomor. Great. 'cause I've seen them all year, but to show up and have that type of game in the biggest game date of his college career against a good team. Not a great defensive team. But defensive team was was really impressive from and how he did it like this guy. I remember talking to Matt McMahon coach emerge state early. I wrote something on them. I think was the first one this year to write something about him. And and I said what does he need to do to get better? And he said, well, one of the things any take care of the ball better. You know, it takes a lot of changes. And ultimately, you know, the thing is that guy has has done much better at that. Like, we knew he's got back here. We know he's athletic you tell but but taking care of the ball make you better decisions. And we saw that. Yes. He's great court. Vision. But he's just got cut down the the amount of turnovers, and and chances cakes and man he was impressive. I mean, he just dominated the game. And without even take him when he take like eight shots or something. He had like a bunker numbers. The first triple double hissy Doubleday tournaments awhile. Yeah. Dream on Jeff Goodman basketball analyst at stadium. Joining us here on Keyshawn l e and Travis so by the time we get to the weekend are the end of the weekend. And we're we're set up for the Sweet Sixteen is it still going to be about Duke in Zion is what what's what's the sleeper? What what is going to be the thing that surprises by the time? We get to the end of the weekend. Well, listen, I'm driving back tomorrow to Jacksonville for this Wofford Kentucky. What if what beats Kentucky goes to the Sweet Sixteen. Nobody the darling. Right. I mean, they'll definitely be the darling. And if you watch Pfizer McGee, you know, he's I ranked number one in the country prior to the season. And obviously last night he set the record for the most three pointers into a history. This new doesn't need anytime any space to get that shot off. And it is is so pretty and Kentucky's going to be without PJ Washington. And I think with PJ Washington Kentucky, obviously Asam pedal contender one of the top four teams in the country without him. It looked pretty average earlier in the year. Like when he wasn't playing the way he turned it on in SEC play. So we'll they miss him. Yeah. I mean, they will in the question is going to be can they limit Wofford in terms of their threes because what can trade to threes twos? They got a chance to be Kentucky. They're not gonna be able to stop. Him in the paint. But again, I think if if pleasure mcgee's making shots and earlier in the year they played Carolina in the first game of the year to make a shot. So it's gonna be interesting to see how he deals with a team of this elite level athletically length all that. I'm just curious Jeff because you to me plug, Dan, I think it was about almost a month ago. Now, the NBA talked about loosening up a little bit. As we age restriction on the NBA draft has been chatter at all around where you are right now with the NC, double A, and coaches, and it's well as school administrators being aware of the fact that the waves may no longer becoming their way. Yeah. Yeah. That's the part. People don't understand when you get rid of the one and done real. And you let these kids go to high school Zion. Williamson listen the bottom line is like Shula worked out for timely. And right like his brand is at a different level than it was a year ago, and he dominated college so much, and you can tell he likes he likes college like colleges in for everybody. I understand kinship have the option, right? Like, there's some Brandon Jennings. You know, he went to Europe largely because he didn't he didn't qualify condemning the play Arizona. There are some kids that again don't wanna be in college. I like this option for them. But I don't love it for the fact that college basketball is gonna suffer. We're not gonna see this is where we're not gonna see. Kevin durant? Play a Texas. We're not gonna see some of these guys because a lot of them again. They're going to Joe, even if they're not quite ready and giant was helped to buy like the media attention he dealt with this year. We'll help prepare him for next year in the NBA. Now, he's pretty good anyway about it. But all of this will help him in terms of his maturity when he gets to beliefs. I do think there's a huge benefit to a year in college or two years in college or for years in college. I'm not saying it's for everybody. But yes, this rule will hurt college basketball Jesse on for second. And obviously the talent is the biggest reason why. But why has ion popped the way he has where he's kind of popped into our collective conscious. Maybe even people that don't live and breathe with college basketball aren't huge college basketball fans, they know Zion. Williamson their turn on Duke games, just to see him. Why? Because we've seen other great players come through college basketball is one and done. But it seems like he's different. Why? Things one. He already had a social media following among young kids going in. He had a couple million instrument policy already had that due to the YouTube. You know, highlights the dunking everything like that. So his size in athletics system is something we've never seen before. Right. Six seven to eighty the way, he explodes. Nobody's ever seen anything like this before. Then you put him at Duke got signed into and the only thing that would have arrived at more than that. I think is probably sign a Kentucky. I actually think it would have been even a bigger level probably than do. But there whatever you're splitting hairs at that point. So I think all of that. And the fact that the kid plays like he's a three star recruit plays with chip and his shoulder. He plays hard every possession. He smiling. Like, I talked to think it was fifteen players guarded him issue earlier in the year tall fifteen about him and not one of them. Had anything bad to say about how he acted. They all said, it doesn't any trash like none. One of them said they elbow them accidentally in the nose, and like didn't didn't even look didn't clinch discount playing ball. Maybe he's missing nerve damage is. I would at least flinch Tores at tank or or he's attained. So I'm not sure how plugged in. You are to the story. But it's very dear to my heart. Because I picked Syracuse on Tuesday to be my bracket BUSTER. And then they lose the best player on Wednesday night, which was awful. But who's your bracket BUSTER? Who is my bracket BUSTER the team that I think will go the deepest or what do you mean like pick that loss team that you that's like a lower c- team. That's going to go the deepest tournament. And just basically crush what everybody hopes and dreams. I mean, I went with Oregon switch Ecksteen. But I don't think they're gonna beat Virginia at the end of the day. But I think they can come out of their part of of the bracket I have mostly chock in the final four. I was pretty boring, but I do think the top teams it's out teams. And they're there for reason. And that's Duke Inzaghi Virginia. And I what would Kentucky over Carolina. But now without PJ Washington. You know, the team that I think has a chance is Iowa State, especially without PJ Washington. If I was thinking Kentucky and Pty either isn't backers and healthy. Then I think I was stayed the way they're playing ball right now they have so many offenses weapons in what derailed them earlier in the season. They went through a horrible stretch. Maybe a month and a half ago was really the chemistry. They weren't playing together. They all kinda wanted their numbers and wanted more than they were doing and that kind of threw mouth and then from showed him a not only tape of kind. What they were doing wrong, but their body language or lactic composer and the kind of turn it around here in the big goal tournament. And again, I was state when they're playing well, they could score it with anybody. And all they got to be as an average defensive teams avid chains. Jeff Goodman basketball analyst at stadium is our guest. Jeff, the seems like a weird question asked because they are a number one seed, and we're the number one team the country for a piece at a time, but is Gonzaga good enough to win the national champion. Would you be surprised if if they win the whole thing no zero not at all now mice, and I would be a little bit surprised if you told me this in the beginning of the season, he told me in tag is not going to have a healthy killing until like he's going to be out for most of the year. And when you see him he's going to be, you know, he he was he was kind of flat when he came back from the first thing then got hurt again this seven games and just came back from the WC tournament. This is a fringe first round pick onto the year. He's their best three point shooter. So now you Adam again, and if he can give you fifteen fifteen quality minutes. In the tournament. I didn't watch her game against FDU last night. But I heard he put pretty well. Didn't give you something. Fifteen quality minutes. Yeah. I wouldn't be shocked at all. I mean, Brandon Clark. If you haven't seen this kid, you know, Zion to freak out Brandon cart might be it might go sign, Jon and Brandon Carr one-two-three in terms of freakout fleets in the tournament. This kid for his first few years in anonymity at San Jose State. And he's going to be a first round pick for sure this year, you're wrong. Jeff because I have Syracuse. Good. Well, you know, it could happen. Maybe next year retroactive, Jeff Goodman basketball, analysts Dame, more poorly. Jeff Goodman, friend of the show. Jeff. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Listen when you insure the show for the rest of the day, you can remove Keyshawn name. You don't have to say it. He's he's homes, you know, dealing with pink. He's probably got you know, one of those pirate things on his his the morning show with l z and Travis I like many days, I've missing the morning show. I'm really not a position to do anything. All right. Thanks. I got one got you, sir. All right. So the answer to the question would de Angelo Russell have become this player. Had he stayed in LA. We'll tell you next on kgo right here, you go feel that fear that I feel it to your. You feel it every. He feels. Doesn't sound. Like, he does his Philly was delayed. It's not an LC. It's not an LLC country Thursday. But we'll give you a bonus Friday one. We should. Like Travis hair metal Wednesday or something. That's every other day. No. We don't do it unless it's like they're Snyder's birth. Something we don't hold on. That. I L. Wanted to hear Jennifer's beautiful soprano voice kinda Pierce through the Airways for a second. Got enough. Can never get enough. As we were talking with Dell about it. And the nets are in town. They're taking on the Lakers. And obviously the Angelo's kind of the story because he's a former Lakers former number two pick and was rather unceremoniously shipped off to Brooklyn pretty quickly, by the way. It wasn't like they they gave it a five year run. It's just not happening and it happens. And obviously there are extenuating circumstances. I would put number one of those circumstances is they were just looking to get rid of the MAs gov deal and to get rid of Moscow. If you had to give something value, which the Angela was, and then the other part was we all know the history of the video that got out because of the Angelo, and that had kind of become a poison pill with the organization, I think that was a big part of it too. But the question about whether or not the Angelo Russell would have become the player that he has become. Here's an all star in the Eastern Conference. He's the best player on a playoff team right now again Eastern Conference, but say what you want. He's in the playoffs. He's the best player. He's the guy that's taking crunch time shots. I don't know if that would've ever happened here. Now, what would he continued to get a little bit better? You probably because he would just understand NBA basketball better. His skills would probably get a little bit better at some point. But I don't know if he makes that leap from you know, a guy that was the number two pig destined to be a star to a guy that's on an all star team if he stays here for for one reason when you're the number two pick to the Lakers, and you come into the building. It's like all right, go go star. You're on the Lakers. You're the number two pick. You're the guy that said you have ice water in your veins and doing the thing when you're doing the whole thing and go do it. And there's not really a an on ramp to learn be it's it's your here. Do it. Now. This is the Lakers were not building be a star. That's a really hard. It is really hard. It's really hard. Whereas in Brooklyn, it's it's a second stop he'd been in the league for a few years, and you can just say, hey, just go play man, go go. Do you just just go play basketball the way that you know? How to play basketball? There are no expectations on the ngelo. Russell when he got to Brooklyn other than just go play, and it's free. And I think he needed that freedom to go become the player that he's become because in a way, it was always gonna be that pressure of your the number two pick star be the next big thing. That's a big deal. Yeah. It is. And you know, for me is difficult to talk about him without talking about the incident with the video, and you just wonder if magic less than town remorse on just in terms of environment just wanted a reboot. And then it's also just style of play. I just did a quick scan. Magic Johnson average almost twenty points a game in you know, shot by fifty percent from the field. He took about twelve shots game. Little bit over twelve shots game for his career Dangelo hasn't shot two shots again rookie year. Twelve shots rookie year about thirteen point eight second. Year fourteen to eighteen point four shots game. It also could simply be about as far as being a point guard concerned Magic Johnson one at someone who will be looking for the shot a little bit less. Any Cerny has that with Lonzo? Now. Maybe it's a by proud of the fact that lives not confident with the shot. Yeah. But I also think is more so about mentality. Lonzo also it's a pass first point guard for sure I don't think you could say that about the ngelo Russell, even though he's got a nice number says if you taking damn to twenty two game, it's hard to call you a pass for his point card. Indeed. So it could have been that he looked and said I want someone who's going to be looking to get his teammates involved, first and foremost, and maybe not necessarily their own shut. You could've moved the Angelo to the two and then just get in shoot. But maybe magic just figure I'm just going to reboot and supposed to see if he could be comparable to point or two point two guard as opposed to shoot first point guard. I think those two things are intertwined I think. If the video never happens, but he still was playing basketball the way that he's inclined to play bass by still things down the road. Maybe because of what you're saying. And laundly it's hard to tell with Lonzo. Because maybe magic did want more of a distributor more of a playmaker in that role. But lawn lonzo's not the right control group to determine that because he's a poor shooter. They that he's not shooting is it because he's a distributor or is it because he doesn't want to shoot because he's a poor shooter. It's hard to tell if you had somebody that was a little more. I don't know Don Mitchell, a bad example because he takes tons shots too. But it just somebody that is comfortable taking an open jump shot. We're Lonzo just were just sorta kinda protein that now, but even comedy, you know, where he sought him much better clip. Overall, monzo was obviously a pass first point guard, you could tell right away that this was his mentality. Even though he was the better athlete, and I think he saw forty percent from the collegiate three point line. So he was a decent enough three point shooter in college. He didn't look to score. His own buckets. I remember we had them in here right before the draft, the Angelo, no along. Okay. And I forgot which game. It was that they were facing. But it was a torn a-m-a-c game and like a Donut. I was reading what season game season game. Anyway, he had hit too deep threes. And normally when you do that as a shooter, you know, you doing a, hey check and see if you get you get three. Rows wouldn't do that the hit too deep threes to force defense to respect them at any anyone right back to distribute the ball. I right away when I talked about that he says. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that the defense was honest while I try to get my guys involved. And that was that. I don't know if you can teach that Travis to me, that's a neat. The desire to want to get other guys involve I to me than Nate. You can learn how to shoot I don't know if you can learn how to be unselfish by that of that father knows best. Michael Thomson is on the morning show three minutes from right now. So key is down for a second day with his pink eye. Joining us now, Michael Thompson, Michael you've been around a long time. Have you ever missed worker had pink eye because of pink guy? We got a call him contagious teak. Keep away. CK key. I never had that. But the key being the, you know, prom Blackman is going to be named black guy. That's amazing. You made it through the eighties as a good-looking athlete in LA. You didn't get pink at once. There's not a lot of paint guy in your hotel room. If you're just watching TV, right? Exactly. That's right. A number seven. Michael we've been talking about this morning. I was DeAngelis back in town tonight. The the game against Brooklyn would Dangelo become this player. Had he stayed in LA with the Lakers. I don't think. So I mean, I thought he was going to be a good player. But I think what's he got traded to the nets probably hurt his feelings. Bobby the Lakers gave up on him too quickly. So he wanted to prove himself Lakers made a mistake. And I think that motivated him and made them get more serious about his future. Specially not contract year guy that you guys pay attention in their contract. You had also help the motivated to the all star status. But I think getting traded was a wakeup call slapping face the him and made him feel less comfortable. So he figures if I'm gonna get traded districts in my career to get serious, and he has taken games level. Speaking of another level should the makers mower their level. So that they can get their their tank on your paint twenty and try to get Zion. Williamson. Well. Great question. Everybody says they should just keep losing. But you know, you gotta go out there and play compete coups Ma. And and Rondo these guys they don't wanna go on just roll over and mousse got about pride and they're trying to harvest Caruso in the crew Crusoes crew. I like that. But you know, maybe they're just not good enough to win somebody games anyway. But you just can't say we'll go out there and just don't try. Let's just keep losing players aren't gonna do that. No, I'm not saying the players don't try. But I mean, certainly, you can roll out Sunday jobs. Yeah. You got a bunch of the south bay Lakers. They're already saying Michael you you to do as and try back in the obviously now. Really the to get less ping bumble. Maybe get a little bit more to get a couple of picks because those guys in the top of the draft their difference makers other good players don't get me wrong. Who's gonna be draft? But the person techs man, those guys that'll be special. Michael you doing this interview from like a submarine or inside your bathroom or something? Why is it sound so echoey I'm in a hallway the white will Hammy too much shock there you go. Interested. Radio again. Get a show little buddy wants to be. Stick was I on for a second that when he shows up in the NBA next year. What does he have an immediate impact is he a difference maker from his very first year or so you have to figure out the NBA game a little bit before he starts to pop bigger, and I'll be a little bit of both up and down typical book, even look at the Donncha of bad games. So the Android Eytan spectacular. Not. Everybody's gonna come in and be shack. And let's say with a broad, right? From the start eighty two games dominate the whole time down. They all going to be different makers, especially the gate. They gonna be have a huge impact on ticket sales and marketing when those guys she openly, which player would you like to see the Lakers get if they were so fortunate to get a top lottery pick. Well, I mean number one it's consensus die on. Yeah. What does that's that's that's a reach for us to get him. That's a reach. But there are players out there that won't be much of a reach. Good players bunch of nice guys on do. We're going to be good players all around the NT AA every year. They just got to know how to drive and how scout probably, but you can into the second round and find the big player that can continue at knocking, Robin. I mean that guy was a second round pick Gooding turn up the walkie. So they're gonna be some impact players like die on a job. But other than that, you could buy yourself a good contributing player all the way into the sixtieth picking drop it, you know, how to how to recognize you mentioned, Malcolm Brogdon in Milwaukee. And obviously they're on top of the Eastern Conference right now. Do you think they're going to win the eastern the best team over there? They experienced enough to get to the finals at this point in their development. Fifty three and eighteen eleven record in eighteen fifty seven wins, not the large samples. Isis. Part-built ourselves. Always says you all what your record says you are. And that's true that eighteen their well-balanced deep they often shoot well coats, and that's no walkies tough place. The place of Toronto police Boston. They're gonna knocking on the bus. And do you believe the Golden State Warriors are just kind of waltzing through the rest of the regular season there? Elton going to just be back with your always been or has Houston, actually, close the gap. If close the gap a little bit they start off flow, but they are back to being Houston being threat. Again, I think the warriors I've been telling everybody I think the war is over in sixteen games to the playoffs. Forget to win a champion. But it's not gonna be like a sixteen to sixty three tight runs at sixteen and seven eight sixteen eight something like that. Michael we're getting towards the end of the regular season. And both Jaanus James harden have very compelling cases for MVP who do you pick? Yawn. The best record in the league heartless doing well with Janas impacts the game on both ends one Hardin does. And they've got the best team the league recognized. So this Yamashita. Who would be your second pick? It's James harden was someone else looking at heart. Ugly the coast number two. He deserves some serious consideration to a lot of people picking him. And you're not crazy James harden. But I think you ought to special year and his team has got to give it to end this year. What do you think happen though, who cared give them whatever regular envy being the only? What Keith nobody listens to me? It's only what MVP EP troby that mad an after one out of and you and do what you guys have. No, I hear you. I mean that Steffes MVP's during the regular season or less meaningful because he hasn't gotten a finals MVP know that the special it's great watch office. Don't get me wrong. I wish I had one. You the one I think one thing Steve Kerr nothing receive Nash or comparable all the MVP trophies. They got in the regular season train them all but the one and two I'm working on a piece about Doc Rivers as coach of the year. Am I crazy? Yeah. You're not crazy just misguided. The Nate McMillan. I mean, he look what he got in the third place in the east who saw coming. The people that. Yeah. No. That's similar situation. Just on the other side of the draw on these Z he'd lost his best player, and they're they're right there. They're in fourth lot, forty four and twenty nine we got their best guy clippers without their best guy. And they trade him on purpose. They've been relatively healthy. Even though they got a bunch of role players playing well superstar. But when you lose your best player you knock you out of playoff contention. But be a top four team in the east. Come on. You gotta give it the Nate McMillan. Michael Thompson, he'll be on the call tonight. 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HR 2: Are the Dodgers a successful Organization?

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HR 2: Are the Dodgers a successful Organization?

"Them spiting words. I John after a reasonably good season in which she dealt with a lot of injuries Indiana Pacers gave nate McMillan and extension on August the twelfth after the Pacers were swept out of the playoffs by Miami McMillan was abruptly fired. Yes it was a sweet but McMillan was playing without dementia some bonus. He also had somewhat limited Victor Depot not fully back for injury. How could there be that much of a turnaround nate McMillan went from contract extension to fired in a two week period. I think the sweep. Highlighted the fact that he had taken them as far as they felt, they could go with nate McMillan. There's another reason for this mace you heard it here first. I Mike Dantonio is going to be the coach of the Pacers I think it in and I think the likelihood of that happening goes way way up. If. If Houston loses tomorrow why give him the frigging extension? If that's what you're planning I think they wanted to take care of them. I think they like them. And so they you know all these. NBA teams have a lot of money. I think they. They didn't want to see nate McMillan. Suffer and so now he can go look for another job if he doesn't get one, he's he's okay but isn't nate McMillan a coach of the year candidate. No He's not at all. No. Well, they already awarded it to nick. No no no, but I'm saying wasn't he? I don't think he got any votes. You don't know I think I. Think Nick Nurse Got Most of the votes and Billy Donovan came in second I remember correctly. But. I think you know nate's never really had a deep playoff run. He was the coach of the Blazers before he was the coach of the Pacers and he's very high regard. He's got. He's pretty good friends with Frank Vogel. Vogel hired him to be an assistant when vogue is the head coach of the Pacers but I think they think they can do better is the answer to your question. Okay. All right maced TACO fall. Celtics seven, foot six. Inch. Center. Is Learning how to swim while his teammates. While his team is stuck in the Orlando bubble while his swim teachers are two of his teammates, Jalen Brown and Ns Kanter. and they take him to the pool every day and teach them how to swim. This was remember we learned that about Marcellus when he worked with us that yes, he had grown up in Compton. They didn't have a lot of swimming pools. He'd just he'd be coming adult without ever learning how to swim. So he took a swim class and taught himself swim like forty. It got me to thinking. Let's say you Yup can learn a new skill during the pandemic. He could be anything you want. You can learn how to play an instrument, learn how to cook learn a new language, but you only get to pick one thing. What are you going with? Hero upper there s Spaniel you learn how to speak Spanish it's supposed. To. Say What are you doing you to learn one new thing during the pandemic and whatever it is you try. You'RE GONNA learn it. So you're going to acquire this skill, but you have to pick one. What are you going with our learn how to fly an airplane fly Plano Michael Thompson is well, that's interesting. Yeah. Lindsey by you. Well I was GONNA say learn how to speak Spanish but Mason stall mind. So I'm going to go with our WANNA learn how to play basketball because I'm terrible at it. Are you really Awful at it I. The worst hand eye coordination when it comes to dribbling. You have no handle. No handle IR catching shoot girl. I WOULD WANNA learn how to be like a really really good cook like a chef. That's that's cool. That's a good idea I think that that's something that you take with you for the rest of your life. And be with you and me. So I think you learn how to speak Spanish like Lisa my wife went and lived in Spain for a year and kind of picked up half of it. Yeah. Like you could do it without having to shut everything I mean. I think you could you could probably learn Spanish. On Your own I'm starting I'm starting to get it. Starting to get it right? Yeah. Yeah. You didn't sound bad and when you said it. Yeah. So I think I'm going to be able to do it someday it may not be turning the pandemic but someday. I Dick's sporting goods, reported record earnings and sales in the three months through June amid strong demand for health and fitness products as customers sheltered at home during the pandemic. Now John the only exercise equipment I own in the house is a Yoga Mat. A couple of blocks for doing yoga and one, two, three, four, five, six. Seven pairs of dumbbells. What are you have in your house and what kind of workouts are you doing? We have a an elliptical here we have A. Of I would say like a minor set of weights but it's mostly like you said like dumbbells and cords and core workout Wade rights right at. We have a lot a lot of different like goofy yoga equipment I also have a lot of recovery equipment I have like besides besides share I have a vibrating roller. I have a so I'm constantly doing you promise me. You're gonNA give me one of those vibrating massage chairs. Oh No, I didn't. I remember I remember my recollection is that you did well, here's here's once again your recollection is failed. Here's how that went down. You said, I, said, what are you really want for Christmas and I? Said Hey I would like one of those massage chairs like you had to go. Okay. I. Will I will tell one your partner to buy you a massage here and you go that'll be great. He was asking me today what I wanted. I then reached out directly to Wad with a picture of the chair link how you could get it. You're throwback one lied not happening. He knew I told you to email him. Share your enthusiasm for the oster which I Would love that chair. Love that chair. I use it every day. All right. The NFL is now way is your to me I think it's to you by the way I was going to mention. I'm not exercising right now unfortunately, because I've cut my calorie so low, but I'm down to two. Oh nine I'm going to be Bergman. Bergman blows this I will I will lord it over him for the remainder of our time at ESPN. There's heat assured. Me assured me and I have texts that I will share in the air that this thing is a lock that there is no way he is losing to you. So if he actually loses, it's all I'm going scorched earth on him. I will never bet on them again ever I, started your and I started to. Nine. Two Oh. One. No. No No, you can't be. You'll need. Now I met. Tunein you said nine yes. Get to one ninety Iraq now. Okay. All right. As you guys know a couple of years ago the NBA allowed uniform sponsorship and we're example the Lakers uniform sponsor is wish which is an online marketplace like, Amazon, only wish has better prices. I wanted to see if these uniform sponsorships were working. Mesa let me start with you off the top of your head. Can you name amy NBA uniform sponsor for any team besides the Lakers and then I'm gonna I'll give you guys some some hints but often can you name any the one that I know? Is. Is. Dallas bumble. No. Somebody's. Not Dallas Somebody alive in the playoffs bumble I can't think of another one. The team that uses bumble is the clippers Yeah. Now George do you know any of the uniform sponsor? I do Harley Davidson is for Milwaukee Right. You have a loves which is a gas station company. I guess it's a restaurant. Yeah for okay see right. So some of them, some of these have worked for you. Lindsay. How about you? Don't know any of them except any of the clippers were bumble and that the Lakers were rushed. That's it. Okay. So Now That doesn't necessarily mean. That this isn't working because if for example, if you're going to buy a sponsorship, would you rather have the unit, the Jersey or the court? Court. I don't the Jersey. Court the court, it's only on one part of the court, but the Jersey is on every player on your team. Well. Yeah. But I think it's so small and it just blends in I mean this is living proof I knew somebody was bumble I know the Lakers are wish in that's all I. Know Wait questions. So when you buy the Jersey, it doesn't have the sponsorship on it it it's a good question. Does does yes. Okay. You can you can opt ad like you could Jersey without it, but you can also buy an authentic Game Jersey with it. Okay. So for example, let me try a couple of these. If it even worse because what what advertising is when you have to buy something, you think of that product right Celtics, for example, are in old school appliance company. Sears Abo. nope sears. World Pool. No. He g George very good. General Electric is at all right. The Grizzlies are the biggest company in Memphis. Graceland Fedex Jorges read at this game I thought graceland would be at the Orlando Magic is obvious yet Disney. Disney right the sons. My Hint to you would be a modern finance it has to do with the world is find S-o-f-i and the way you pay for things. So Fi know. Who would? Pay Pal is correct. Hey, POW and the sixers have to do with. Events and how you get in A. ticketmaster close stub wings or Hey, you're natural at this. So we'll see if these people all renew I I actually like it like I didn't. Here's here's the key to a uniform sponsorship. It's ideal for a company like wish I didn't know what wish was. Until, they sponsored the Laker uniforms now I have the wish APP on my phone. So for them it kind of they used the Lakers to introduce their product to the marketplace. If you have an existing product that everybody knows about anyway I'm not sure it's a match, but I mean you do it for your brand I. Mean if you're some of those companies, Fedex, you're you're the local major corporation. So you WANNA sponsor digress. For for example, I don't know what bumble is all bumble is a dating APP where the women are the ones that make the choice I do I. Have Lindsey ever used it. No. I have not used it but I think you have it right I think. This. Conversation I want the women initiate the conversation. Yeah. I know I know somebody that met on bumble and they actually got married. So it worked. By the way Greg Bergman still at two Oh two, zero three. He's trying to get to. One Ninety Yeah. I'm not feeling good about I'm ahead I'm winning he's if he says he's still a two or two to three. That means he's a two a four. And he's got to get to one ninety and you only need to lose nine more pounds. Nine more power. I think he's more disciplined than you know. You. Have not had sugar this over a week now no sugar. I. The NFL is now overseeing the investigation by Beth Wilkinson into the Washington football team over alleged sexual harassment issues in the organization and Fell Commissioner Roger Goodell informed Washington owner Dan Snyder of the change Monday night. As the investigation goes forward, all women who have nondisclosure agreements will be released from their NDA's they will be free to tell their story to investigators. So first off. Actually do you think this is assigned that? Neither is in trouble. The fact that the NFL has brought in an independent investigator. I'm starting to move that way I'm still not there yet. Because it apparently, if you add up all the women on the Washington Post report that that they've reported over these two huge exposes. North of forty women. Yeah. And if if releasing them from their days, which is critical, this is the thing that Michael Bloomberg would not do during the presidential campaign because he knew it'd be the end of him. If he released him from the NBA's I think that if if the Redskins did negotiate and India stands for nondisclosure agreement means that you can say everything you know without penalty right and that's a huge step. So I, think I used to think there was a one in ten chance that Daniel Snyder would be removed I know you think it's closer to seven or eight? Yeah I. DO I'm now up to three or four so you're coming my way I'm moving towards you. Yeah I think there's A. Bigger chance. He won't be removed then there is he will be okay. I've been reading Sally Jenkins and Christine Brennan and they built grey back. There have been writing a lot about this sally now thinks that it could actually happen. She wrote an article yesterday in The Washington Post that said for the first time she believes that he may be out she said, she never really believed it before but now she says it's possible. Yeah. I thought from the beginning and now I thought from the first Washington Post story he was in trouble the second Washington Post story I thought that was nail in the coffin time I. Think he's done I, think he's done we have time for one more. Okay The New Yorker has an article up on their website asking this question when it comes to presidential elections does the Vice President even matter? have. You ever changed your vote or make a determination about a presidential candidate based on who they choose for Vice President Nope. Nope not am either. I mean. I think you can screw it up like I think when John McCain pick Sarah Palin he he ruined everybody that was on the fence. Yeah. So you can hurt but I don't think it can help you. Well, you know rule number one when you're picking a vice president is do no harm you want somebody that's not going to hurt yourself. Or hurt John McCain The other thing is you know sometimes you pick a vice president because you think you're going to carry a state because of it right but for example this year. rollins. The he already had California. California and Mike. Pence, is from Indiana. That's a red state. So so that's GonNa go that way I think at the end the vice president. The vice president is interesting for those days during the convention and the one vice presidential debate other than that I think meaningless. Yeah and and it's very rare that the vice president gets elevated to President I mean in this century at basically happened with Lyndon Johnson and Gerald Ford and George Herbert Walker Bush but he no no he ran for president after he was vice versa I'm talking about like the vice president would be forced into the presidency Oh is it's only happened twice yeah. Yeah. It's it's extremely rare. You're right it's just Ford and Johnson. Yeah No, that's interesting. Yeah. I know all that stuff is going on out there and it's a it's a big plays a big bonfire everybody's debating. Red State, I'm in a blue state I'm four trump. I'm against all that stuff. All, that stuff is something that I like to keep to myself. Like to keep it to myself doesn't do us any good on the show. All right coming up next for you. John I want to put a question to you. About The dodgers we've got David Schoenfeld coming up. He's got a really interesting take on the success of the dodgers in the last seven years. And he's going to join us then at two thirty, Mason Ireland seven, ten espn hey, seventeen espn what's going on it is Tuesday thank you very much for listening. Thank you very much for being out there. Thank you very much for migrating from our afternoon slot to our midday slot back where we belong where we wanted we wanted to stay. This was the perfect time of day to do the show. So I mentioned this ufo thing. A little while ago and I forgot to do it and pointed it out. So Jon Sunday night. A pilot. Recognized that there was someone flying with a jet pack near lax excellent flying in a jet pack. Now I didn't Jetson I. Didn't know we had this technology do we have jet pack technology or sure? No do we really? Yeah I've seen guys. I mean. I've seen there's definitely jet packs on you just Google jetpack. Guy With a jet pack a whole bunch of videos will come up, but we don't have it for everybody. It's like. Hold on Jack Packs to. Flying over lax a homemade jetpack. Yeah. Like before Football Games, they've had guys fly into the stadium on jet packs. Wow. Yeah. No, it's I. Think it's fascinating. I you know I love all that stuff. I love all the technology stuff like I would try a jet pack I want the flying car I want the driverless car I want the neuro link chip in the brain that puts the Internet right in my hair out of your mind literally with that. Literally exactly it's in my mind. So all that stuff I so John. David Schoenfeld is going to join us here in a couple of minutes wrote a piece. He says, judge the dodgers on seven straight titles, not the world series crown they're still chasing. That Is it take that. I know you're going to disagree with I hate that take yeah I can't wait to talk to him. It means it means absolutely nothing. If you don't win a world series, you're the Atlanta braves the braves won fourteen straight and what a world series and won one world series that tenure is looked at as a failure. Would you consider that tenure failure fourteen years? One World Series? Yeah. It's underachieving I would I would not I would say you got your World Series Fourteen division titles is absolutely astound seven division titles in a row is incredible. That's that's an incredible run. It's impressive, but it means nothing. Disagree with you that it means nothing. It means that we're in every single year. Every year, we've got a chance we're in position to win the last seven years. We've gotten into the crap shoot right and we had one world series stolen from us all together by the Houston Astros. So I, you know I think had they played at square. We would have our world series championship. But they didn't and we don't. Like do you think the Oakland A.'s are are. A huge success story up there. Yeah I actually do. Okay. So I think they would argue that it won't. It won't mean anything unless they figure out a way to win a world series they're in a they're in first place on a budget one quarter of what the dodgers are spending and they've won a bunch of division titles. Yeah. I mean given the limitations I think they've I think the as have achieved an awful lot. World series. More recently than the dodgers have. That is true. We did beat them in the. World series in eighty, eight, eighty, eight they came back and won it ninety right or did they. They want it in eighty nine the next year. The earthquake world series. They don't think about this John. You asked me if I think the as our success. The as have payroll third lowest payroll in baseball at thirty, seven, million dollars right. But what the question you're really asking here is. What do you judge yourself by correct if you judge yourself by division titles if that's your goal every year, the dodgers are tremendous success. I just as a dodger fan. Don't. Here's here's another different way of putting it. The. Lakers. Of So many division titles I couldn't even tell you how many they've won. They've they've won a ton of Western. Conference titles. Nowhere staple center. Will you see a division banner or Western Conference Banner in other teams you will you'll see division banners you'll see conference titles you'll see those recognized and celebrated by teams all over the league I just don't think the dodgers should be one of those teams and you're arguing that they should be here's what I here's what I love about the dodgers and Andrew Friedman. I don't think there is a better talent evaluator in baseball than Andrew Friedman. found guys like Chris, Taylor and maximum see and Justin Turner who were really just role players are out of baseball together. And turned them into legit major leaguers huge contributors to this team they have maintained in their farm system. They didn't trade away cody bellinger. They didn't trade away Julio Arias. They didn't trade away Tony. Goslin they had a chance to do all of that. To try to make short term gains and in the end, they're going to go down that twenty seventeen draft I think is what it was. West David about this it included. Tony Goslin Dustin may will Smith and Gavin locks all draft. That is a really successful draft. So yes, obviously want the World Series Championship obviously. That's the thing that matters the most but sustained success should not be ignored. They've been successful they've made it to two world series they had one stolen from them. I still believe that I consider this dodger tenure this current ownership tenure to be a success you'd do not i. Think that they will I think we had Andrew Friedman on here right now with us, he would say it won't be a success unless we culminated with the world series. He will feel like he has failed and I've heard Stan cassin say this he will feel like he has failed unless they can deliver a world champion you think stanfield in Atlanta where they Straight Division titles in a world series. Yeah. But you said earlier disappointing I think he would tell you he feels like the Andrew achieved. Yeah I mean Lonnie Smith bad base running decision otherwise to world series. So but that's that's an element of the crap shoot. The idea is to get into the crapshoot it's funny Jeff Passan's said to this week and I think this is true if the dodgers get through their three-game series, the win at all but the three game series is completely up for grabs because in three games anything happen anybody can win two games. So if they can get through the first three game series Passan thinks they win the world series but but the crap shoot element is that three-game series which and I don't know if I agree with Jeff. The where they've run into trouble for four, they always get past the first round. Yeah. But this is A. Different John Yet, but would they've run into trouble before is when they get to the big stage. Then Kershaw for some reason inexplicably can't pitch. They've been unable to close on the biggest stage you've been at all the World Series Games in the two years that they lost. So it it seems to me that they would say the dodgers would say they win it. It's not a successful season I would I think they would see it in relative terms I think if you ask Stan cast and do you think you've been successful here with the dodgers he would say, absolutely. Let's next time he comes on let's ask I think there would be to this point. Yes but I'll be. I'll consider it. A disappointment my tenure here in Los Angeles disappointment if I can't deliver world series because he was able to do in Atlanta. And what I don't like John is they don't. We just take for granted that they're going to win the division every year without understanding how hard it is. It's hard to win a division title. It's hard. And it's not like the NBA. Who's in what division the divisions are this year I couldn't tell you pull up the league and I look at one through eight I don't care what division anybody's in. You don't get any extra points for winning the I don't know the Atlantic or the central or whatever. The hell they're divisions are named the West, the Pacific what are they name by the way? Do you think most of the dodger fans we should maybe after we check David should maybe take some calls on. Do you think most of the judges fans agree with me or agree with you agree with you I do too yeah I think they agree with you And I think by the way emotional level. I feel that way on an emotional level. I feel like my heart got torn out every time they lost. But the point is there are teams that go years without making the playoffs, years and the dodgers are there every year for the crap shoot? So being in it is a huge element of success and then you need a little bit of luck and for example, in the twenty seventeen world series that didn't get any lock in fact, they faced a team that show cheated them out of the World Series Championship. So David Schoenfeld coming up next I. Think it's a really interesting point because we do measure the dodgers and say it's a failure. And I think they deserve more credit than we're actually giving them. Let's get into that coming up next with David Schoenfeld ESPN, Mason Ireland Seventeen Espn Yay. Yeah Yeah. Mason Ireland seven ten ESPN don't forget this coming Friday. Streaming on Disney's plot Disney plus Moulana experienced legend. Of Alana's she fights to defend her family and the kingdom available to Disney plus subscribers who unlock premier access John while you watch Moulin this weekend. Sure why not looks like it's got great fight sequences I. Love I love that. What do they call that that wire fighting where everybody's on a wire and in the really cool stuff. So Milan streaming on Friday I think I did a good job explaining what the fighting is to. The strings and the wires and all that business. Yeah, you did. Everybody understands it so. All right. So David Schoenfeld is gonNA join us here in a minute from ESPN it's the on the line. Yeah we got him. David. Thanks for coming on. How are you man? I'm good. Are you guys everything is good good David and we appreciate you coming on. Explain the heart of your piece that I think what you're arguing here is the dodgers should be. Should be held up as examples of success just because they won seven straight divisions that that it pretty much. Well I mean that's pretty successful isn't it I? Don't know what you guys want. Oh wait maybe a world series champion up place I completely disagree with you on this but go ahead explain what your point is and we can get into it. You know very. Very few teams in baseball history of had this kind of extended run. You throw in a couple of hundred win seasons along the way. But yes, ultimately you know you have to win a title, the two thousand, one mariners did win those late nineties, Indian teams that were great. They didn't win. You know ultimately the world series. So yeah, there's no doubt. This this era dodgers history needs a title for them to to you know validate all the good stuff they've done. We all we already got stole they stole one title from us. Seventeen that's our world series trophy. It happens to be located in Texas right now. So David I was just talking to John and I'm a I'm a huge baseball fan follow the game really close. I say it's really hard to win division titles and I don't know if there's a better talent evaluator in the game of baseball than Andrew Freedman and his team and his scouting. Team Finding guys like Chris Taylor and Mac Muncie and Justin Turner who were kind of castoffs from from all over the place they they had that monumental draft. The twenty seven is the twenty seventeen draft. Yeah Yeah. Yeah Twenty Sixteen I think with Gavin locks and will smith and all those guys. Yeah. That'll is one of the best drafts ever. Yeah. It was an unbelievable draft and that's that should count for something I know it's all about their trophy and it's all about the rings but the success, the sustained success is really hard to do and it should count for something. No I absolutely agree I. Think we underrate that you know I think that we do sports has changed a little bit in the last ten twelve years that it's only about winning that final game of the year which I think's unfair. Yeah. Say Look at the run. The Yankees had right in the in the nineties and the two thousand. Yeah. That additional young core with Derek jeter at Bernie Williams and Rivera. But how do they really keep it going? They just bought free agents right Jason. YHOMBI. Gary Sheffield. Then see Sobat the at so odd you know and eventually ran into a brick wall and they had a couple of you. Know. Down years but the dodgers other than the mookie Betts trae that's not how they've done it. It's totally you know finding not only free talent like Chris Taylor and Max Muncie, but making good trades and most importantly developing that farm system this thing is going to go on for a long long time. You know although they do now have a rival a few miles to the south saving. Schoenfeld from ESPN, you guys are both out of your mind. What you are arguing David is that the buffalo bills were a big success think about it. The buffalo bills by any reasonable measure went to four straight super bowls. That's great. Ask any bills fan if they think that air would successful if the dodgers I'll take you step further if the dodgers don't win title, not only will dodger fans look at this era as a tremendous failure they're going. To hold it against Clayton. Kershaw Mason did it last year? He canceled Kershaw Day he had. He's had it with Kershaw Kershaw is statistically David and I know you know this the greatest regular season pitcher in dodgers history can put them up against you put them up against Colfax in the regular season. Kershaw is unbelievable if US dodger if they don't win a world series with Kershaw, if they. Blow the Kershaw window and US dodger fans to rank him in dodgers history. They'll put them behind Colfax. We'll put them behind Fernando they'll put him behind drysdale they'll put him behind distinction Don Sutton with his perm I'm telling you he has to win and the dodgers have to win. You're you're assuming that that the dodgers era is based on Kershaw's window and I think the point is that. Long after Kershaw, this machine is still going to work whether it's Dustin may or it's Tony Goslin or it's Julio areas or any of the young arms in the organization. There's not there's not a kershaw window David you can't claim any of it works. If they don't win title, you honestly disagree with that way twenty, five years from now they're bringing back Clayton Kershaw for some special Clayton Kershaw will. Will Not get booed. Were ridiculous. Booed the if nothing look I understand it. No doubt. Kercheval Madison Bumgarner. Regular season. It's not close Kershaw a hall of Famer Bumgarner regular season. He's not but you know Bumgarner has three rings. There's no doubt that means something yet. You're right the buffalo bills and algae is a pretty good luck I see I'm from Seattle where those great teams from ninety five really too old. David Debt Team that hundred and fourteen win team is looked at as a failure. Are They not? Well, mayor says maybe because we don't have the history of other titles like dodgers do back in the day right? Two, thousand, one team actually it's looked on to fondly but mariners also have made the playoffs at twenty years. So that's sort of the last. Evening. By the way, the really good point the mariners haven't made the playoffs in twenty years in the dodgers are on every year. One point is to get into the crap shoot with the argument here is we're making the classic Hollywood argument is it better to have loved and lost or to never have loved at all because what David Gura the heart of your? Argument is we need to recognize the greatness of these dodgers for their consistency and how good they've been winning division titles in my argument is there are certain markets in this country were division titles mean absolutely nothing and Los Angeles is one of the Lakers don't hang banners for division titles or Conference Championships, and either do the dodgers and they never will this argument dodgers. Wallowing with a couple of my co workers who are huge dodger fans at I bet they're like me not be happy until that. They win that last game. I know where you're coming from I. Agree. But I just you know. And I know it's easy to acknowledge success. But yes, you gotTa Win. You know that's why this pull season's going to be absolutely fascinating because even with what the padres just did La still the best team, the team that beat. But man, all the pressure is on the dodgers see it's it's a very nuanced point that you're making and you know that is a not exactly what works in sports talk. Radio. Tennessee at lost. Look look at the braves, the nineties they want fourteen straight division titles I if you don't count and one world series and David if. They didn't get that one that era would be looked at as a tremendous letdown as he tremendous failure just like you're you're making the buffalo bills argument you disagree with that. Here. Okay. Let me throw this out you or the last twenty three years. Would you rather have been a fan of the dodgers? Or the Marlins who want to titles. Only made the playoffs twice Marlins I have the rings I want to I wanna be I WANNA be the team at the end of the year that has a championship. The Lakers judge themselves on one thing did we win the title? If they don't, the season is a failure. When did the dodgers? You are you saying that right now if for example, if the Lakers lose today all year Western, it's a failure asked Rob Pelinka would see what he about they get to the finals and they lose alier Milwaukee Areas Rob. Pelinka. Mobile Times. Tire doors. This season is Hillier. The whole journey is meaning meaningless then not meaningless, but but less than it's not it's not anything to be celebrated in David. What you're arguing is this is something to be celebrated right I. Think it is what you know I'm a baseball fan I and I think we also need to separate baseball from basketball or football basketball. The best team is GonNa win a best of seven series ninety, eight percent of the time. You know maybe that one year the warriors lost when what's wins record by? David, you know what the warriors said after. They'd lost that seventy-three in nine season. Don't mean a thing without the ring. It means thing thirty one one. Baseball we all know it doesn't work that way in baseball. The playoffs as we've seen with, it's a crap shoot through certain extent. One night I know I hear you you gotTa win a title or this they will not be recognized as a great all-time Great Team I. Agree you gotTa Win by. Let's at least acknowledge. It's better. Balanced. Tremendous. Success. Oh please your. Excess. You know world series and that's a huge disappointment. And heartbreaking, but this run has been a tremendous success and by the way this run is GonNa continue indefinitely you cannot listen to the two of you cannot quantify something as a l use your words Mace tremendous success if it never ever ends in a championship you failed you're listening to all the Joel you get every regular season Marlin fans no joy every season 'cause they're always terrible if I was a Marlins Fan David and we were having If you are Marlins Fan, you wouldn't be the one. No. If I was a Marlins Fan, we were having this argument pre pandemic in a restaurant I would look David take up my two rings and flop on the table. Here look and I know this from my Seattle friends who are still relish heated. You know what happened twenty years ago like get over it. You know, okay marlins one or two, thousand, three, hundred, seventeen miserable years since then so David, let's let's pivot a little bit talk talk about what the padres did yesterday there. Now, if the playoffs were to start today, they'd be the number two seed. Are they the second best team in the National League? Yeah. I mean, the rest of the National League really looks you know basically a bunch of crap to me. Yeah Dodgers and Padres to me clearly separated himself. The breeze of Pitching Cups Cups don't impress me phillies they could hit they can't pitch it's padres dodgers. So as a baseball fan, I'm hoping that's what we get in the NFL because that will be something to watch. Can You Would dodgers padres. That's crazy. Yeah. That'd be fun. Hey David who had a better century. This century giants are jurors. Yeah I know look. Yeah three titles versus zero yeah. You're gonNA take the three. I know. They've been awful the rest of the time they're they've been awful recently. Yeah. They've had two bad years, but they were on a run. Excelling back with the bonds days of course, you know but. Yeah look I know It's like you said, you pull you flash that hand with the rinks and that's all that matters but it will be a tremendous disappointment not a whatever mason called it a tremendous success. It will be a devastating disappointment if the dodgers go through this whole run as you have highlighted in your piece David and encourage people to read it and you explain why they've been so good and you you make good points as to why they're going to be good for a while. If they never win a title, your article means nothing the dodgers run means nothing get me championship or get out and here it's almost dodger fan. Dodger for it. So this year when the dodgers. I think even more than the last few years are better than ever to me clearly the best team. If they don't win this year is that the most disappointing? Hundred percent most employed David. Mason would use the tremendous success because they won their eighth who? Can Use even know individuals can be true. No did not in this case, what we're talking about is was the season a success or not, and if they don't win it, it's not what about is your friend Jackson? It's about the journey not the destination Phil Jackson won eleven, rings and thirteen years has that for the destination. So compadres win the world. Series. Ever. Quite dodger fans. They've had a better better century than the dodgers. It will kill dodger fans if. That's a good question. Would it mean they have a they had a better century than the dodgers they they would have. They would have a ballpark in downtown San Diego and they would've got on one over on the dodgers who haven't won squad since eighty eight the padres would sell all the merchandise and they'd be the hot new team. If padres win dodger fans will be missiles. It would be awful. It'll be awful experience I just think two things can be true I. Think we have to acknowledge the says the success of the organization and by the way, and if they don't win it, I'm allowed to be devastated about that too. But the great thing is I know we're in it again next year and the year after that and the year after that, this run is going to go on indefinitely seven, eight, nine, ten eleven, twelve division titles. Get Fourteen, the braves at least got one. None, we will get one we will get long. It's either going to be this year I think it's going to be this year. David your good sport for coming on and let. Around with you. Know all good fun and I. Hope. Hope you guys there cheered Kershaw and twenty five years I do yes. He's GonNa. Get booed if they never get booed. Booed. I'm never get booed. Thanks David. Take care you're an you were you were killing Kershaw after he lost that world series now but I'm not in twenty five years I'm going to Boo Clayton Kershaw. Now I'm going to remember the two years. I. Don't remember the bad stuff I remember the good stuff. Yeah. If he doesn't WanNA title, there is no good stuff. You know you don't Boo Hall of Famers Yeah You you really think Clayton Kershaw and twenty five years will walk into Dodger Stadium and we'll get booed the blue hairs will cheer for him, but everybody will cheer for him yet. He asked Clean Kershaw if his career success if he never wins a title, he knows he needs the title but that doesn't negate everything else that he's done but you can't use as you did the phrase, the dodgers are tremendous success Ar. Excess until they WANNA title, they're just okay. We're in it every year and this year we win. All right coming up next is you know I just WanNa weigh on this. Please for for for what it's worth Lebron said in two thousand fifteen when they lost in the finals he said, I would rather not make the playoffs at all then losing the NBA finals. So Yeah Tiger Woods and Kobe Bryant second-place sucks. All right. There's one place I in the dodgers haven't been in it since one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, win title will celebrate. Yourself. Think the comparison between the NBA and Major League baseball is wrong. Okay. So how knows accountability different animal, right but how did the dodgers the buffalo bills? Do you really consider the Buffalo Bills to be crushing depressing fans any bills Yes. Totally of course, they went to the super bowl four years in a row and never one. Yeah. Yeah. No. Sad. Sad, they're the big, the big world series. The dodgers need to lose when you're there in person before you realize that unless they win it, it doesn't matter of course, it matters that they win it. I'm just saying the fact that we're in it counts for something nope. We of course, it does nope accounts for Jim Kelly, Thurman. Thomas. Coming back in two thousand five and getting cheered. That's what you got. Clinton. Sure. Bring him back. Hey of course, bring back. He's going to throw out the opening pitch. Take. It Never WanNa ring that is Cooperstown Cooperstown Kershaw. non-championship Clayton. And by the way, I think this debate will be moved after we get through this year's playoffs this dodger teams absolutely loaded and they're going to win it all coming up next for you is radio. Tinder? Lynch has a bunch of stuff to throw at US Mason Ireland seven, ten espn I under- Some Radio Tinder don't forget everything we say today don't forget everything we say today because anything we say today on the pop quiz Friday at three fifteen. When we're giving away the brand new twenty twenty one Mazda C X. Thirty from the Great John Patterson at OC Mazda. Mazda Huntington Beach Mazda this is a brand-new Mazda C X, thirty win Friday, and you're going to know something about every show this week it's GonNa be it's GonNa be a tough quiz. No snow something on Friday get all five right and you get one of only four keys that may start the brand-new Mazda C. X, thirty. So stay tuned pay attention everything wins. What are you got forest today? Starting off with. One of my and I believe you're macy's favorite podcast the Joe Rogan. Experience Love Joe His podcast is officially moved to spotify in a reported one, hundred, million dollar deal, but it seems like all of his episodes made it onto the streaming platform on Monday. Fans of the Jerry podcast noticed dozens of past episodes with controversial guests like Alex, Jones David, seaman, and Owen Benjamin today a few are missing from the new Joe Rogan experience channel on spotify fans who thought Rogan was going to be given more freedom on the platform. We're not happy about the missing episodes. So that's one might apply more to Mace but also a hypothetical for you John Would you sign a lucrative deal to move your podcast exclusively to spotify if they were going to censor your past episodes and or? Future. Guests Swipe left or swipe right. I think we're assuming something maybe here that we shouldn't assume what's that. That, spotify is the one who didn't post the episodes Joe. Rogan. Went through an issue about three weeks ago where somebody tried to cancel him. And he wasn't having it. He's already a self made guy he doesn't need it but they found some old things. He said that in twenty twenty probably don't fly as well as they did four five six years ago. You mentioned Lindsay. One of those things is Alex Jones? WHO's a really controversial guy maybe joe and his people went through some of those things and said for whatever reason people pull podcasts all the time. So I think people are always trying to cancel. Joe Rogan and I, think we've come to the conclusion that he's kind of kind of like UN cancelable because. Easier well I think first of all I, think that he will eventually address this. You know he has already I think that if this were a decision he made I think he would have addressed it but let's put all that aside and just you know hypothetically asking you guys the question would you would you sign? You know this is supposedly the biggest deal ever podcast history would you sign a deal like that if you knew that your content was going to be censored John that's the question. Sure. I'll absolutely would I mean, Nate Mason, I agreed to come to ESPN. We know there are certain lines. We can't cross our competitors cross every day but we work for ESPN that's owned by Disney. We gotta keep it in the fairway the moment. Dan Zan. Pillow are former boss who now works at spotify calls me and says, we want the culture podcast. Sarah especially if he offers you a one, hundred million. Oh Yeah. Exactly. I don't think I'm hundred million level yet I'm not. But? But Lindsay to answer your question, every job comes with restrictions. The hardest thing about any job is doing what your boss wants. There are certain things that I can say in can't say when I'm an employee of the Lakers if I crossed the line. That's it. It's over so about if they were going to actually remove old content that you already did. I would say bank was if it was about to get canceled I would say thank you. There's probably shows. Issue and I have talked it before their shows, we did twenty years ago. That there are bits we did with Karen wish. Yeah, we couldn't do in two, thousand, nine hundred and should shouldn't shouldn't have done that right but so what am I glad that people can't just go back and dig those up? Sure. Yes. So that's why I'm thinking that maybe Joe did it yeah I mean I. Think I think he's unbelievably talented guy I. think he's worth every penny that spotify paid him. I think he's in a Lotta ways the voice of. The. Voice of a generation young eighteen to thirty four, eighteen to forty, nine year. Old Man listen to Joe in huge numbers. And he deserves every penny. Sounds good. All right next one here for New England patriots receiver. Josh Gordon was willing to part ways with a very important part of his career over the weekend Gordon Super Bowl fifty three rings sold for one hundred, thirty, thousand dollars at an auction on Sunday. So Gordon didn't even play in Super Bowl fifty three because he was actually suspended by the NFL in December of that year the Patriot team that beat the rams is that. season. but he was given a super bowl ring for his contributions to new. England. During the two thousand, eighteen regular season where he had forty one catches for seven, hundred, thirty, seven yards and four touchdowns. Now, as we all know Gordon still trying to get back into the league trying to get reinstated after he was suspended for a fifth time last season do you think that selling his two year old super bowl ring puts his motivation to play again like into question with teams that could be potentially thinking about signing him. No I don't think. I would swipe left on that idea I think that. There are certain people. That just aren't into and I'm one of them. That just aren't into memorabilia, for example. Jerry West has sold all of his stuff. Sure. He just doesn't care. He just doesn't need it. He lived those experiences he doesn't want it. He sold it and John Wooden was the same way donated a lot of the sure Vince Gully as auctioning off a lot of his personal stuff. I wouldn't read too much into. Your wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. We have had like decades and decades of stuff they probably more than they know what to do with Josh. Gordon's only accomplishment was being part of a super bowl winning team like that's the that's the biggest accomplishment of his career was that season and what he contributed to it. So the fact that it's two years old, it's pretty fresh. He's selling it for the money just exclusively for the money. And I'm guessing I'm gonNA guess I mean he's been suspended from the NFL countless times I'm guessing he needs that money. Right. But sometimes there's other stories like Metta world peace had one ring and his whole career, and he sold it to raise money for mental health awareness. I now that that would be a great story if it were to come out that Josh Gordon, you know Sodas Ring for charity he's just auctioning it off for the to the highest bidder because he needs the money. I don't, I wouldn't put those. I wouldn't connect the dots that Lindsay's connecting I wouldn't say because he's selling his ring he really wouldn't be committed if I signed him. I'd have to talk no no, one has an A. T. I would have in signing him is that he's been released five times. There's. Times. You know that's yeah and I don't know what to get out of his own way I. Don't know what's left in the in the tank there. 'cause he's he's now been around he's he's not played a lot of games in the last five years but he is five years older. So yeah. I I don't think the ring sale gives me any pause about signing him. To me that judgement is made entirely on talent and what he's got right now, the Super Bowl Ring I think he's just selling for the cash. Okay, last one here really quick Moto GP star Miguel Oliveria has finally opened up about his long term relationship with his stepsister who he plans to marry in the near future. Oliviera won his first Moto GP race last week at the Styria Grand Prix the twenty five year old star met his stepsister in his teens when his father married her mother, the wedding was going to be this year. But after changes to the motor GP schedule, it was postponed. On is it okay for somebody to marry their stepsiblings? That's a tough one way. Let's be clear about how exactly how these two are related they weren't. They don't have do they have. Did they have either one of the same parents they don't write? His stepsister, he met her her in his teens when his father married her mother. Right so bad married her mom yes. No, they're not. Blood related, but they're still related by marriage as it's weird. It's not out of bounds. I think that if there was if there was blood relation is where it gets tricky if they're step. Kids tricky. Tricky. It's very Turkey I. Mean you grew up together all that stuff, but as weird as it is. I would say. It's okay. Yeah I would not free it to me out. Yeah I. Might Freak you out. I don't know if it freaks me out I mean definitely blood relationship that totally freaks me out because then you get into you know. Incest and all that Nice. My aunt and uncle great aunt and great uncle were first cousins. Yeah. I don't think that's Okay It's weird now. It's weird to think about I mean you you end up having kids with birth defects and all that kind of stuff. With the step siblings to me the the reason why I find it. So strange is because they've known each other since they were teens like right young teenagers and to me, I feel like. I don't have a stepbrother or stepsister, but I know like the bond that I have with my family is just it's something that you can't explain to me. You think that you would go into a relationship with a step brother or sister with that same. that. Would be the same type of bond. Brother writes right sibling type bonds. So to me that to to be able to differentiate that between falling in love with somebody is like your soulmate who you WanNa marry that would be extremely difficult to separate the two for me. Yes. Love happens in weird ways. In weird ways you just never know land. Thank you very much. There's radio tender for you. Coming up what are you doing to do coming up next John? I think we should go back to what we're talking about four David Schoenfeld Yeah I have a question for you about that. Okay. So you feel That the dodgers success winning seven straight division titles, this year will be eight. Should if they beat the PADRAS, yet should be celebrated and recognized by dodger fans, right? Yes. Would you do you WanNa, put up banners or put up a banner why? No? No. Why don't I don't. What I'm what I'm thinking we should. We should celebrate. Is. The sustained level of success seven straight division titles two world series. Unfortunately, one was stolen from us. The other one Boston I. Don't think we ever had a chance. But. But the idea of being there every year counselor or something and I would argue that it counts for nothing I, win it. Definitely. Eight, seven, seven, seven, ten, ESPN, eight, seven, seven, seven, ten, three, seven, seven, six, should the dodgers we'll call it because I think they're going to win it this year eight straight division titles be celebrated in recognize or do you agree with me that none of that means anything unless you win the title you got win it once you got to do something with it. Eight, seven, seven, seven, ten ESPN definitely on the short end of this argument. But I, am going to take it on. By the way alanna Rizzo just tweeted this the official dodger starting rotation. Is Kershaw Bueller when he gets done with the blister and comes back Arrhenius Dustin May and Tony, Goslin they are in no particular order she says and Alex Wood will be activated today and he will be available in the bullpen. So the rotation as Kershaw Bueller Korea's May Goslin and would is your in case of emergency starter he's your guy and he's your long relief guy. So interesting interesting rotation I, think that's a that's a rotation that's not just going to be good this year that rotation is can be good for a really long time well, and by the way there's there's Yesterday someone asking Andrew Friedman would you as urban any conversations with David Price? About maybe coming back and what was determined was the commissioner would have to clear him if he wanted to do that but I guess it's something that could be discussed if they wanted to do. So that would be interesting. Now would be and you know he's got health concerns with they go to a bubble for the playoffs maybe that chance feels it's unlikely and I don't think it's something that right now is on the table I. think that would be misleading but it came up. Yeah. All right. streaming September four Disney's new movie Milan experienced the legend of Lana. She fights to defend her family in the kingdom available to Disney plus subscribers who unlock premier. 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Each other with almost exactly the same wording, which is a basic because their brains both work that same way and that ties in with what I thought was the most notable takeaway from today, which was genuinely stunning I mean we you and I had been looking at all the permutations and combinations including going through it on the League Mba cass that we did for this wild heat thunder. Going through like all these different possibilities and have less than basically two hours. Later, we now know all of the playoff matchups in both conferences other than who the Lakers will face by the winner of the playing game, and there is a lot of drama there and we'll talk about that on a future episode but we know now we know the contours of this first round and that is I didn't expect it to be resolved as quickly and cleanly as it was. But can we talk about the production thing I golf course of? You. You're asking me if we can talk about the pick protection thing I I tried to set you up and you're you're talking about these unimportant things like playoff matchups. Winning Series Championships. I had to keep things big picture for broadcast now for like two weeks and I think that's I. Think my brain is broken. That's what I have to do permanently now but yeah, I, mean. So to walk people through this, this whole situation is basically catnip for the two of us because not only is it crazy pick protection, which is my jam, but also the insanity that that this pick has gone through in this route. So to walk you through basically the pick originally went from Oklahoma City to Philadelphia Back in twenty sixteen. And it was this very lightly protected first round pick that was basically, it would old philly would only get it if it was if if Oklahoma City had one of the ten best records in the league and if they didn't, then it would become two seconds in twenty, twenty, two and twenty, twenty three and then so that I trade was ear sant`Elia Sova and that first round pick going from Oklahoma City to Philly exchange for Jeremy Grant who then later traded for a different first-round pick. But anyway that's handed off to you. That the pick gets traded to the magic unjust passionate was involved then gets traded back to Philly in the Marquel full steel last year and going into the season we were like there's absolutely zero chance that Oklahoma City is going to have to give up this pick its top twenty protected. They're not making the playoffs they're over under is thirty one this year which granted we both took the over, but we didn't see them finishing was one of the. Ten best records in the League and so Cla city they start off pre poorly than they just go crazy and close games they're winning everything and now Oklahoma City is going to be the five seed even at the seed though they could potentially have kept the pick because. So many of these teams are bunched up between them Miami Indiana, Philly all these teams like right in the same area, Utah Houston and so with a little bit more. Losing Oklahoma. City could have been in very good position. Had they lost today? They still would have been solid positioning of the five seat and maybe wouldn't even wanted the FIS that I'd rather play Denver than Houston personally. So one of two things would happen if they lost today either they would have tied with Utah and there would have been a coin flip fifty fifty chance that they keep the pick or with a loss by them and a win by UTAH. which isn't going to happen because Utah doesn't want to win. They want to be in the succeed to avoid Houston and San Antonio needs to win but they basically would have had a fifty fifty shot at keeping this pick in the draft they lose. Now they are not keeping this pick they'll surrender to second rounders later instead, you can make the argument that maybe they'll be so bad. Then that those two second round me, there'll be worth more but. They don't send the seconds. That's Oh. Yes. Sorry. Jesus. Come and actually edit that those can. Now. They said that pick I mean, and let's keep in mind first round picks are worth at least five million dollars like that's what it costs to buy one especially that low, it's going to be probably like the twenty second pick or so we'll see exactly where it lands and no I don't buy the argument that they would rather give up the first rounder. Then give up the two seconds later because those are further away. You don't know what those drafts are GonNa look like and we don't know where they're going to be I mean you. You would have to imagine really only if both of those picks were guaranteed to be in the top five of the second round, would you even begin to think about that? So yeah, this is like a big loss for Oklahoma City and they didn't need to win this. They will talk about the game more in. A second, but they were down twenty two in the fourth quarter at one point and I mean, it's not like they were playing their guys. But those guys are out there playing hard dairies Baizley was awesome and Mike Mascara hit a couple of threes including the game winner after the heat scored at the other end it to take lead after Oklahoma City a tied it it was pretty incredible. They were they went for the win. With the skull and he hits it and I samp rusty, this is those things were yes. You can tank you can not play your best is, but it still is clearly not possible to tell the coach and to tell the players out there like we're going to now at billy. Donovan he did call him out right to set up a play after the go ahead with like what was it eight seconds left or something Danny Chad mark. Mattson. Check in. Your going back to those wolves tank jobs in the the late two thousands. Yeah that's but I, mean, he did call time I think you Kinda lose the respect of your players if you don't do that perhaps. So it's good to know that at least there are some constraints on intentional losing at the end of the season that you can put as many bad players authors you want and those bad players can I mean actually some of those guys played pretty well, but Tho, those guys can make up a twenty point deficit in the fourth quarter at the end up losing your doctor I mean it was pretty pretty incredible occurrence ad I mean a late-season NBA basketball is all about. Baby Yeah and so that also set to help set into motion some of the stability that we're seeing. So that locked in Oklahoma City as the in the four five series in both incidentally the four five, we don't know necessarily who is going to be the four and who's going to be the five seat in a normal year that would better a lot we would be waiting to do playoff previous we waiting stuff because that matters this year it doesn't appear to be that significant unless they like the maybe the the four seed gets to bang the kneecaps of the five seat. Now unfortunately, we did get season begging kneecaps in this game, but it's I mean so so we have a lot. Settled now on political hold on a second. But before we move on, it's a respond. One of your points, their home teams have been better in bubble and now Kevin Pelton looked at that and he said it's mostly been three point shooting that's driven that. So that would certainly indicate that it's been lock more than anything because there's no reason to believe that teetering shoot better from three necessarily at home for some the road particularly in this environment you know maybe you could posit I don't believe this, but maybe you could posit that just having like your own music, your own crowd just sorta it has this psychological effect of like Oh we played better at home or the other team plays. Worse on the road or something like that. I find that very unlikely. Maybe it even affects the referees you might say and knows maybe we'll see that like home team's win at the same clip that they always have when these plops are over and we'll we can argue about it but I I don't think it really matters who has home court and in these four or five series. So but I do think that it leads his worth acknowledging that that trend has existed even if we're going to dismiss it, we should note that Philadelphia has won a road game in the bubble. So it's probably not too definitive, but there were road there only road win was against the Washington Wizards so. but yeah, let's let's let's get to this game a little bit I think or would you rather do the seating stuff for your while we do the seating stuff I since we're just talking about that we know that the match ups are in the West. Acres. Verse play in Winter Two seven be Clippers Dallas that'll be awesome. Series Three SIX DENVER UTAH. DENVER. Probably gets about the best match up they possibly could have gotten again although if they win that, they'll have to go up against the clippers which will be a little bit more difficult Houston Okay See. We're GONNA love seeing that one although Russell Westbrook may miss part of that. Series, which would be a real bummer. If that happens that's in the four five, and then in the east, we can get to that in a second. But so this does set up a situation now, which was going to be the case. The whole time of all four of the teams in contention in the play in game are playing teams that don't have anything to play for the. Right we improve you tomorrow a little bit. Yes. Now by virtue of what of what happened today the Blazers Grizzlies sons and spurs are all playing teams with lockton seating yeah and just to take you through a little bit of the news on that kristaps Porzingis with a he'll issue he's not gonNA play for Dallas and I would imagine that the Dutch is GonNa take it pretty easy in that one. So that'll make things easier for the sons for Brooklyn actually they rested some. Guys but now carousel Vert Joe Harris Injured Eleanor actually gonNA play against Portland again, you'd never know they might just play the first half and then take it easy. Brooklyn is an organization that has always been very proactive about resting guys but hey, if you're going in against the Colossus that is the Toronto Raptors in the first round, you might want to just get these guys confidence get feeling good going up against a team. So maybe they'll play who knows although we definitely have. Seen Brooklyn not play in similar situations back in sixteen seventeen was an example of that where they just let Chicago get in at the expense of Miami and Utah is clearly has nothing to play for already announced that re Gobert Mike Conley aren't gonNA. Play in that game and then Milwaukee Yonathan coupon was probably going to miss the game anyway but he got suspended one game for that head bought I. Think we'll see a little bit of Chris Mills and guessing probably. Won't see Lopez because he played last night. So it's GonNa be I mean the I'm sure the team the players that are out there for these teams are going to play hard but generally the pattern is that these kind of end up being blowouts in favor of the team. That's try especially with these games albeit a neutral site, it's not like some of these Games are on the road either however with our history broadcasting grizzly game suddenly past maybe we we can't be too fat. But you're right. It is different when it's the last game of the season I mean that is fundamentally structurally different because these teams know exactly what's coming they and they know in this case how soon it's coming and I I think that will lead to. But I I think we could see some backups. You know boy competitive I, think Memphis might actually at the most risk because they're just not that good right now I mean John is awesome but outside of that. So maybe maybe there's something there but. I think we're GONNA. See A we're going to see a pretty chunky thing and that would lead to Blazers Grizzlies and that's also why the events of I believe that was Tuesday might've been Monday are so important is because now Portland that was Tuesday's Oh my God that was yesterday. Yeah. That Portland game that basically the Portland will be doing. So as the eight seed would be significantly better for them than and for those of us who want to have a day off then if The nineteen while also worth noting here that if all four of those teams in the West win, you get Portland eight Memphis nine in the playing game and the sons will got eight no, and still not made it, which is pretty darn remarkable and kind of set actually rooting for the sons. So I think they're going to give Portland a little bit better of a game. Let's talk about this Casey Miami game in a second I. Just we saw both teams really go hard in the. 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Duncan Robinson was awesome. Nineteen points in the first half and sixteen minutes even Dunkin Robinson got into it with Chris Paul which then led to Jimmy Butler committing an intentional offensive foul running over. Chris. Paul with his forearm Chris certainly would like to fall down but Jimmy Butler really made him fall down on that one after Chris. Paul. got into it with Duncan Robinson and then after Duncan Robson tried to do like the fly by move on him then they ran the next. INBOUNDS play Chris. Paul. Takes away from Dunkin Robinson the inbounds and then throws it off at Dunkin Rob. Dada positives actually JSOC pretty bad ass series by Christmas no Dunkin Robinson Light. You're not that good. I know you've been beating up on all these dudes. But if I actually try and guard you, it's GonNa be a different story and that Jimmy Butler came back and just like ran over goes but I thought Jimmy Butler Day should have looked at that as a flagrant news. Obvious what he tried to do but they didn't and and I want to talk a little bit about Doug Robinson first-quarter. Specifically, he had sixteen points in ten minutes on five shooting possessions because he got. To four point plays in the same quarter and it was it was just ridiculous. The thunder tried it a couple of different things they tried to trail and try to stay on on Robinson and his releases so fast and so high that they really couldn't do anything about it and that was ridiculous first-quarter offensively for Miami, I believe they're offensive rating in the first quarter I was rattling off during the broadcast I think it ended up being like a one, seventy two or something like that in the first quarter. They had basically I. Think Rose Forty Two points at twenty five possessions. Yeah and so Robinson was incredible and then in the second quarter I thought, okay called back the they did a better job than I expected with Shakeel. Just Alexander really running things they didn't. They still don't have to ensure shooter is in the bubble now however, he is not yet ready he's not yet cleared to play. We don't know the exact time line then billy don did not share which kind of. Those interesting, we haven't heard those reports of always getting tested. Every day is subject to the four day quarantine. Now, maybe Donovan just ended abundance of caution didn't WANNA share that and Hook a C- is a very buttoned up organization on these sorts of things. So doesn't mean that he won't be able to be back for the playoffs and I think he did return on Monday. But if he wasn't getting tested, he could get up to a ten day quarantine. Yeah and so the other dynamic in that first quarter was that okay see couldn't hit a shot other than from the free throw line they missed their I I think it was sex or seven threes than Shahid. One but they were getting to the line ton in both the first and third quarters which the thunder actually got outscored and dramatically in both of them the got into the bonus early and then basically didn't hit any twos and hit a button or didn't shots and then got to the free throw line, and then they rebounded a little bit in the in the second, and then the most stunning part of this game to me was at the start of the third quarter Miami pretty clearly wasn't playing all of their best guys Bam had been in foul trouble. He didn't play in the second half Duncan Robinson played in the second half Jimmy, Butler Jae, crowder, and Lu. Both didn't play after they banned knees with each other that happened in the first quarter I believe my second. So is basically the thunder starters mostly versus the backups mostly and he backups random. Oh Yeah. It was really surprising and I was Kinda wondering what the thunder we're doing because of the incentives that we noted earlier and yeah, just got worked in. So they ended up. Taking those guys out eventually but it was a thirty four to twenty quarter. Tyler hero had a career game with thirty points. He did slow down in the fourth. I think he got a little tired as he was like the only guy out there who could score a little bit I thought Goran Dragic looked really good in his second game starting Kendrick Nunn was not available. Remember, he left -able for personal reasons. He has complete quarantine, but he apparently was not feeling well due to some other cold symptoms not related to Covid nineteen apparently, and so he was not with the team is going to try and get a workout tomorrow. But especially, with the way hero is playing, I would be extremely surprised if none has much of a role as. They start things here. crowder. They took an X-ray was negative I. Think he at Least Bang Knee Lou Lou though he's GonNa rouse that I couldn't see any sort of like a negative injury Meka's mechanism for him other than banging the knee by Peru's maybe I don't know. Yeah I mean we didn't have the greatest view of it so but he is going to get. So there's some possibility that and that he may miss some time here for Miami more about heroes night in thirty eight minutes for him. He really has had the mid range working off the pick and roll. We talked about his struggle shooting around fifty percent around the basket in the half court and I think he's really improved his finishing quite a bit with some finishes high off the glass. He's also very capable coming off a screen from deep shooting on the move out there as well. So he's fit pretty well into that backup ball handler rolling. He's got to play with somebody else as well but he can play with Butler those things that stuck out to me just overall about this team and we talked about it when they acquired doll in crowder's just the versatility Danny. Of the LINEUPS. That air expulsion through author absolutely. It'd be some really offensively focused ones involving Robinson that we're really hard for Oklahoma City counter but then they also have a lot of like there was one where they had. Andrei would is basically the only non shooter, which is something. He is exceedingly comfortable with going back to his time with the warriors and then they can go with defensive. Bam and crowder and Butler and Those can't necessarily space the four to well, but they can do that and so yeah, a lot of a lot of depth. Big Challenge for Indiana in the first round and then so the games kind of going through these ebbs and flows and all of a sudden this lineup that basically has Darius Bazeley as the most frequent ball handler. For Oklahoma City, just catches fire including Bazeley himself. He ended the game with twenty one points eight to fourteen from the field. Five of eight from three incidentally only made one of his. Three shots in the restricted area but also at four assists nine rebounds I thought. He just looked very comfortable out there and his shot looked good. He had a couple of finishes early on he was getting a little bit muscled by Jimmy Butler and a few other guy all I think got him once. But after that he settled in very quickly and I thought he looked really good. Hey, shot it. Just playing with a lot of confidence and he is a pretty high skill. Lovely looked very comfortable. Grabbing going yet four assists in this one including the game winning assist to Moscow la the other guy who really impressed me for Okay See as Abdul Nacer shooting the ball. Really. Well, there's a time in his Boston career when you'd see him in some of your leading like, yeah this guy is kind of more of an on bald guy pick and roll, but he's that great of a shooter is he decorated with defender? What is he really do out there? Can you fit into play off of others or is he more of a quadruple A. score but doesn't have a role in the NBA? He's come back here and he's shooting the Shit avidly. He's really aggressive shooting in from deep with three of six from three. In this game, I think his chewing improvements real and that is just something that they so desperately could use as well. I might even recommended they start him instead of Dort. Now, nature is not the greatest defensively, but I think he's acceptable there Ferguson. Yeah. Go ahead I was going to bring up. Robertson's three look better too. I wasn't I wasn't as around during the scrimmage games when people were gushing about that but his first three in particular look very smooth and in rhythm, and that's partake would be I think I only what he had three three point attempts and only one record scrap. So that's a pretty good ratio for that's a great ratio and you were going to go ferguson. I thought that Ferguson either the couple times in the early going on it's like a big a little bit tentative but he thought he moved the ball pretty well, I thought. He defended well overall while he had the, he had the stop on hero one on one at the Andy. Did a great job getting through a screen and hero at nor to go into just throw up a desperation three at the end. Yes. I thought that the the young players for the thunder did well a very concerning game for Meyers Leonard who basically who didn't play in the first half I mean concerning for Meyers Leonard like personally yes let less. So for the heat because they're not gonNA have to play him only taking him out of the starting lineup. That's the thing I really think SPO- deserves credit for like Holland you and I were joking like, okay does this happen after their first playoff loss but I voted just be like noteworthy certain Bamut. Center right now we're going put crowder in the starting lineup like this is how we're gonNA play right away because this is how we're going to play in the playoffs. A lot of coaches would be like all this will do it in the regular season and you gotTa dance with WHO Brung Nope. spoelstra was very aggressive about that in Leonard. He's as good as these other guys is Kelly doesn't deserve to be in the rotation. In my mind even though he did give them more than expected this year something I, don't think I would have brought up. Had We not watch this game as closely as we did Solomon Hill took some really aggressive threes than this one and that started with him making a deep wanted I ended up to of six and also hit what would have been the go the game winning but ended up being the go ahead layup with I. Believe it was eight seconds left to give Miami to go from a deficit to lead or was that from a title from tied to elite and then Moscow underpinning the three he hit the. Score, hit threes on their last two possessions, and that's how thunder one by one last thing on this game. Should you guild yourself there I know you mentioned that he had that the boys in the first half and he was just blown by guys like oh? Yeah. Dr Duncan Robinson search like those guys couldn't stay in front of him and we'll talk more about their matchup with Houston and they're switching system. There aren't any Gordon. Dragages Dunkin Robinson's on Houston, most likely but gill just Alexander, looked like he is going to be a problem in any kind of. Situation reshifted news now. Yeah I mean, let's think the place to start with news is Oklahoma City's now walked in playoff opponent to Houston Rockets. They Got Eric Gordon back I thought I I watched a fair portion of that game. I thought physically Gordon looked quite good and it was a reminder that when he came back from the from the knee issue in the. Scrimmage Games. He was talking about how how much better he felt and then had this ankle sprain but he looked ready to go, which is great news for the rockets. But unfortunately, an MRI revealed strain a strange right quadricep muscle for Russell Westbrook will, and if it was bad enough that he had to get an MRI on it that worries me that. Makes me think that they're worried. There's some really severe down just like a little pool or something it's not a big deal. They're not gonna go to that step. So the fact that they felt like they need to do that definitely worries me a little bit a couple of other notes from that game against the Pacers which the Pacers one. That's a big reason why in the Eastern Conference everything was pretty much settled a at that point Philly was locked into the succeed. They played a game against Serrato which will talk about very briefly James Harden at forty five points, seventeen rebounds and nine assists in thirty five minutes in their plus eleven with him on the floor and they lost by. Four in in So they got outscored by fifteen in the thirteen minutes that he says. So he he has been very good in the bubble and it looks like he's going to be ready to go. They need them if Russell Westbrook can't play, and then for the Pacers TJ warren sat out with planner fasciitis suppose he's been playing. Through this for a long time I think they didn't have that much to play for they're gonNA rush him Justin. Holiday at least finally got his shot going with four eight from three and victory depot. Really given a chance to be the main guy because Brogden set out. The next issue continues to look like he's not ready at all seven of twenty. Six to twelve from three only at sixteen point zero free throw attempts by the way for Victor Oladipo despite shooting at twenty six times and he had five assists and five terms. I. Mean it's that's really really bad for him. I continue to think that he just he's gotTa play a secondary role for this pacers team to be at their best. And maybe there's a point at which he can get back to being a big star, but he is unequivocally one hundred percent not that guy and he needs to be the third and maybe even the fourth option on Myspace was team right now. Right and it's a problem because that the further you move away from that idea of what he should be. The. More inconveniences. Indiana's Defense Indiana's team and remember facing an intelligent defensive team in the first round Miami's can be nasty with that and od did have I re Jay Michaels video of it of he did have one where little bouncier. But it's the possession by possession stuff when you really notice or depot's lack of. And just not being not being same guy out there and a big concern also is that with Jeremy Lamb out and everything else the pacers just don't really have that many other options. They don't have that many other ways to turn fortunately for them. Doug McDermott looked better in this one he just actually hit some shots but they're they can't turn to teach aim McConnell or anything else like I agree with you that they should start just holiday when they have TJ weren't available but that's I don't instead of Aaron Hall instead of instead of Aaron yes. was switched to the the. Swing. Manny holiday as opposed to the point guard But yeah, it's it's it's a challenge for them. Let's. All we'll hear since we're talking Indiana, nate McMillan revealed that he got a contract extension. There had been speculation that it could be for him it Jeff Ain't gun even said that on a broadcast, those a rumor that was going around and McMillan said, no, I actually signed this extension in July, but there's a little more than meets the either because remember there was an option year on the contract for next year the Pacers hadn't picked up now we haven't heard a single word about any of this, but coaching contracts are not subject to collective bargaining right player contracts. All that stuff got told because of covid Nineteen, this coaching Catholics actually ended July and so supposedly, it was the pacers who approach McMillan but McClellan could have just said, well, guess what it's past July. Have you picked up by option yet? No. Well, then I'm not going to coach anymore it's already into July I don't know if he would have done that but technically I think he would have been as within his rights to do I'm not sure exactly what the language of these contracts is because it's not collectively bargain standard the way it is for players but. But anyway, so he's getting just a one year extension and again that's unclear to me too. Is that like okay they pick up his option for next year and then they put another option on the end of that. It's Oh. Yeah. You idiots like of course he deserves it. He should have gotten extension. Okay. A one year extension. No, that's not like all this guy's. Amazing we want him to be our coach for the future. That's more dislike. Well, it's Covid nineteen and you're not making that much here and we know that you're solid coach like this isn't some like, yes, he's been through the tribulations. We Really WanNA. Go You. We want you to be our coach for the next three years. It's not that kind of extension that's Ed. McMillan, as as much as we have expressed some frustration sometimes with elements of that, he's let's say insufficiently using miles journal that he's done a very good job as the coach of the Pacers and I think that the idea of replacing him in the abstract with coach I, think that that would make the Pacers worse off. So I'm totally fine with them keeping him around. Now let's see what happens in the playoffs here though because that's where he really has had some failures. I. Thought that series in twenty seventeen against the cavs where they got swept but they lost the series by toilet sixteen points. I. I thought he had some real issues twenty eighteen against the cavs again I thought that some blunders that he had really hurt them in that seven Gamer they couldn't score it all granted without all the depot last year against Boston but they got swapped they couldn't get anything going. Up and that's the concern is that they don't do enough offense I. think that's correct. So I think it's still possible to save. McMillan has done a good job, but it wouldn't be insane to potentially think, hey, if we can keep this defense growing in upgrade offensively, maybe that's our path to getting better. So I'm very curious to see how coaches against their expulsion, who of course is one of the best, and then the other coaching extension news came out of Boston. We do not have terms yet but Brad Stevens. Coaching session with the Celtics, not really a huge spry beat. It would have been surprised to see Stevens not as the coach of the Celtics anytime soon. But until we see the terms, we talk about too much other than he's a great coach having they've blessed with some remarkable stability. They had doc rivers there for about a ten year period before that in the garages, Stevens Remember, I think Stephen signed a six-year deal, which is pretty much unprecedented. That's what is required to lure him away from Butler he's had an extension since then. Obviously since it's out twenty twenty. So this would be a second extension, presumably four Stevens and I mean again, he's Boston really exceeded expectations this year they've developed guys really well, I mean he is maybe not the best coach in the NBA, but he's in that second tier very firmly and we'll see how he does this year. Whilst we got here for news from the Clippers Perspective Mantras Herrell is back. He tweeted as much. He's in the bubble he did not play in Wednesday's game. I don't think he's been given the all the go. Ahead yet, but it looks like he could play a little bit on Friday and that is the important. One of the important things we talked about the structural stuff with these teams, not needing it but not needing to play to win games for their purposes but the clippers in particular, they haven't gotten to see all guys together and that will be you know there's still probably GonNa Miss Patrick Beverley Walk to keep an eye on that and Landry Shamet, but the like getting heroin deform is important. Yeah. Absolutely and you know it's GonNa be. Tough, for Harrell, he relies on effort he relies on being in great condition out working the opponent and I don't know what type of shape he's able to stay in during this absence, and now he has this four day quarantine basically in his room at. So it's tougher to saying condition there as well they do hope to have Beverley who's dealing with a calf issue sham his in a walking boot with his ankle Mike Breen said on the telecast today but they said they have hoped to have them back for the playoffs Orlando. Quite, literally limping into the playoffs they have that dreaded eight seed against the box and Aaron. Gordon is still been ruled out and yeah I think you'd say, Hey, they got nothing to play for but I think if Gordon were able to go, they would want to get him back in the mix and going and getting back in shape. So they'll still have some time for him. He's obviously a critical player for their. Defensive efforts against Jaanus with John Isaac out of He's been ruled out for Thursday's meaningless game to Pelicans and then terrence Ross has left the bubble for what was termed a non Kobe personal medical issue where he was advised to seek further testing. We don't know the nature of that but of course, he left a quarantine for a minimum of four days when he returns unclear if in fact, he has come back already at. 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Com Slash Cap Straits get twenty five percent off a premium membership and a seven day free trial. Once again blinking dot com slash cap space. Of Good that /capspace, you're also note that you came from us you want to preview couple of these east playoff series. Do you WanNa make it real quick and preview the what preview the one eight and the two seven not come on let's actually like give people some meat here I know if I even want to do those frankly we'll get to him a little bit but Let Suck Miami Indiana I. Think we've seen a lot of these teams. Recently we've done their games for league pass really been locked in on these two teams and we've talked about them some already both last night's game so you can go back and listen to that and we kinda previewed these matchups the preview of the preview which then is going. To lead to the playoffs but I think where I would start here is the switching Miami Defensive System against the Pacers team that is kind of not really designed to play. They also don't replay against it in practice either because Indiana themselves very rarely switches and so I think that that is going to cause problems for the Pacers and they're going to very. quickly, have to find a way to really target Duncan Robinson and Gora drug itch and do it quickly enough that these good heat helped defenders can't get in a position right I think that the pacers you could argue in especially if the full strength they might have the personnel to give the heat some problems but making making them the kind of team that. The Pacers looked like on Tuesday night when they were just to- or was that Monday the when they were totally stagnant and I I was just kind of sitting there going yeah we yeah, was Monday we talked about on the pod though was I couldn't I couldn't figure out how they could reinvent the wheel well enough to consistently get good shots now. Yes. There could absolutely be games were malice turner sitting threes or worn. Who's been amazing is is is going off and even good defense even Mikhail bridges were he on the heat wouldn't be able to wouldn't be able to stop him but that offense event I think is GonNa be problem but then also the pacers with their their lack of depth due to. Injury and just due to not having his deep harassers heat I think that creates big problems for billon too. Because when things don't work whether it's the starting five or some of these bench lineups are mixed group when things don't work I don't I don't think there are that many other things they can turn to him and we saw the limitations at T. McConnell in a theoretical series here already. Yeah. That's going to be fascinating what the player usage for Macmillan he has been simplified somewhat with the injuries, but they're starting this lineup with three guards pj warrant at the four and Myles Turner. So bonus obviously is out his wall. So as lamb and I just wonder a little bit about some of those matchups for. Indiana particularly on the second unit. As you mentioned McConnell and Ola depot I think that that combination has been poor. The depots struggled enough to run things on the second unit, and then if you've got McConnell out there as well. Then McConnell has to have the balls. Sorry. If we're repeating ourselves a little bit here, we one of those to be a holistic. Overview and Ola depot. If he's GonNa try and do his drive game off the pick and roll, they're going to switch on him. I. Don't think the depot has the juice to beat that. We just saw go seven, twenty six against the rockets who switch as well, and it's going to be even harder when you've got TJ McConnell who doesn't need to. Be guarded when he doesn't have the ball and then old depot depots trying to go one on one as well against the second unit. Maybe if I were nate McMillan I would try to really have that unit out there when Kelly Olympic is the center and they can't really do as much switching but went Bam out there things to be difficult I that's. One thing I'll be curious to see twos like how many minutes can Bam play and the other thing too. Doug. McDermott against those switches I think he can of be taken away pretty well, and so that works a lot better when you've got Kelly linic out there rather than Bam a bio but I don't think there's any even if you do switch a. Little. Bit, with the Linac, which they did some in the game today against Oklahoma City. They also put head Olympic double team the ball on on pick and rolls in handoffs. That's another thing that I think the Pacers are going to throw to beat. They're not great passing team to really paying it around if you put two on the ball and with the Way Miami can fly a Rod. Just Jakarta Samson is another like total don shooter on that second unit whether they go with him or Batat say that's another question for Macmillan to figure out. But I really worry about that second unit of the Pacers something else that worries me a lot from the Pacers perspective and also makes me think this might be a. Shorter series not to telegraph by pick. Yet is Gordon Dragages looking very good physically, and that gives Miami another dimension now Jimmy Butler has to do less Taylor hero has also taken on a wider role in terms of playmaking I. thought that he's looked very good over the last few games inside the arc and outside the R. N.. Yeah. Sure if you need. To do some little ball handling some of the opportunistic staff and Duncan Robinson. We know we know his real. So I don't think Miami they're not going to be this like buzzsaw necessarily offensively it's not gonna be like the first the first quarter of their game against. Okay. See on Wednesday but I think they're going to be able to get enough that it's Not a circumstance of like. So let's say let's put it this way. If if Iraq rock fight games in this I would expect the heat to win those rock fights because I think they have more juice offensively than the Pacers. One thing I'll look for heroes as we talk about with the Pacers at the ball, you can wrap up that section Malcolm Brogdon. Is a decent matchup against switches because his game just to attack hard right away and so right at the moment, the switch occurs to just go harder to get to the rim particularly if Obama to bio is out in the perimeter and they don't really have a ton of spacing the thing that we haven't seen at all in the bubble here is that Miami's Zone doubt might be an interesting particularly again with the second unit start in the second quarter yet Derek Jones at the top of that put Olympic down at the bottom again, if you got McConnell out there and Jakarta Samson, you're getting nothing against that zone without enough shooting they don't have great ball handling as well with that group you could see some turnovers a. May I really am a believer in this Miami defense if you're going to rank the playoff defenses, they'd kind of be probably third or fourth to me behind Toronto and Milwaukee, and then I think maybe the Lakers of but Miami is definitely up there and they've got a lot of versatility as we've hit on the T. J. Warren thing. You think there are better ways to get him going particularly in the matchup that he might desire. That's something that that I would look for and I think the way that you can start to be competitive in the series if you're. Indiana is that you can play Dunkin Robinson off the floor you can make it difficult for drug at you can force them to go to more defensive groups with they. Can I mean they could be ridiculous defensive group that. Miami can through other if you wanted to put Butler etc in crowder all out there at the same time with Bam I mean that's sick defensive on it, but it's obviously more offensively limited Obviously, they got an foul Jimmy Butler as we turn now to what it's GonNa look like when the he'd have the ball will you putting on air go ahead? I wanted to go where I wanted to start the analysis of when he'd have the ball is the challenge of going small in terms of help defense because Bama. VOWS NOT GONNA shoot threes but he can draw miles turn away from the basket because of his role within the heat offense and so if miles turner is what say at the free throw line and anything happens in the Miami action to get somebody to the basket who is going to be determined. TJ warned not intern a with depot not really I think that's a big problem for Indiana's these kind of system buckets that they could create now that they're playing. So small and don't have anybody else who really has those who really has any rim protection chops yeah. Absolutely and how are you GonNa Guard. That Mata Bio handoff game with Duncan Robinson like you were saying if you're GONNA put Miles Turner on. Bam to bio and Dunkin Robinson comes off. One of those hand offs is Typically Been Indiana's approach to never switch you stay with your man Dunkin Robinson is really tough to say with in those situations old depot had the match up on him in that game the other night they didn't do a very good job. Maybe that's why you start Justin holiday is you just assign him to only guarding Dunkin Robinson and that's just your job. Just, an holiday is pretty good getting over screens the they'll probably have to throw multiple parties at Duncan Robinson frankly, and you know I think TJ Warren can do fine a Jimmy Butler. They got to avoid Bellingham, the offensive glass Miami's at a huge offensive rebounding team. But this pacers team is atrocious defensive rebounding team in they gave up against Philli in that first game which they won they gave up forty seven percent offensive rebounds so. The more I think about this. Danny I I do think that Indiana could have some trouble miles to has to have a huge series for them on both that you haven't mentioned the other big one for me, which is even though nate McMillan is a good regular season coach and just got a deserve a deserved extension. SPO is a pretty significant advantage. There I think that he has the creativity and the depth to really try things to to to create challenges that Indiana can't really counter and coaching isn't always definitive in a serious not something I picked. But when you have all these other advantages like when the better coach has more cards to play I, think it matters more. Yeah and. They have more passing they have more variety to their offense. This is a play also that I think could really put Indiana into difficulty and we saw some of this in that game where Miami beat Boston who's playing extremely well by the way without Jimmy Butler and that is being of bio handling the ball presumably is going to be guarded by Turner. There's nobody else in the Indiana starting with the size to guard him would they try to get some switches with him actually handling the ball and small small pick and roll miles turn going to get through a screen on ball screen probably not you. Now you can kind of go under on that a little bit but Bam can still. Work in a position, if he gets a small on him, he can just, and then whoever turner is guarding is going to be a shooter I. Think Bam can just overwhelm these guys physically with the ball just working the position. The way he did when he got a free throw attempts against Watson I don't expect to see that wrinkle at the start of the series, but it might be something that they could break out against this team that really just doesn't have any size outside of Turner and even off the bench as well. So that Turner's foul trouble is going to be a needs to be such critical player because they have really struggled without him. Right and I think you can make. That argument about a lot of the different players in Indiana's primary rotation there just aren't suitable replacements and I could end up see I could see it's tough for me as a as a bruin earn holiday being a scapegoat in the series he's just I think he's a really ill suited for what? Miami does. Well, I don't think he does do a particularly good job defensively, and then his limitations offensively are going to be a big problem and he's not I don't love him finishing against this group. I don't think he's GONNA create a ton of separation, and especially if holiday is mistakenly in the starting lineup early on and Miami Earn Hall Sorry Erin Holiday, this is going to be a challenge. With Aaron Holiday. So I think that is. Aaron holiday could end up. Being problematic being a scapegoat early on and just as when you should be started. Yeah. I also like Aaron holidays fit a little bit better on the second unit rather than McConnell. Any other factors really wanted to hit on here before we get our predictions no I I I think that's about it. I will say that I don't want to overreact to a single game and it's so funny because we're. Recording this on Wednesday, and they will play again before the bubble but the game doesn't mean a whole lot congratulations whoever care slightly more is going to get the four-seat. But what does that mean anything in terms of the draft pick presumably would yeah I mean let me let me take a look at that. So yes, they are tied right now although Indiana's pick actually goes to Milwaukee they are tied. Right now at forty, four, hundred, twenty, eight. So Miami has a lot of incentive to lose that one. They're probably to be locked in twenty one 'cause Utah is forty, three and twenty eight. They will inevitably lose well now they can win if they want to yeah and then you've got Denver involved as well. They are forty, four and twenty seven. So okay, see. So yeah, me Miami really would be. Very foolish to win that game against Indiana in. Indiana doesn't care in fact Indiana Houston. Okay. See and Denver the next four actually started the next five picks below Miami are all teams that have traded their pick and have no incentive there. Now at Oklahoma City is guaranteed to give up their pick now. So clearly I mean, Miami they're not averse to these machinations they really need to lose that game. Like a matter of four or five spots with no, they are. They could there you could fall to twenty five if they lose or czar if they win and it's and it's so wild that it in this specific normally being the four versus five. Let's say Miami Indiana was the last game of the year with this exact setting but it was a normal season. Thank would be so huge but instead it's this and the other concerns there philly their pick to Brooklyn. Dallas is forty this so much harder when all these teams to play different number Games bear with me here Dallas is forty, three and thirty one philly is. Two and thirty. So a Dallas win a philly loss I think would get Philly to eighteen, which then go to Brooklyn and Dallas to nineteen. So Dallas has some incentive more than to lose tomorrow against the suns. You've also got Toronto and the Lakers Toronto is fifty, two, one, Nineteen Lakers or fifty to eighteen, and that's the twenty eighth and twenty ninth picks. So definitely incentive to lose their for both of those teams that draft wise and then Boston is tied with the clippers which is gonna go to New York from the Marcus Morris Trade at twenty, six and Boston. It's already been announced. They're not gonNA play tomorrow and. The. Clippers don't care. So that's one where Boston might be able to lose a game. The clippers might just win it especially because they have pretty good depth play Heraldo probably play some of their guys. So they're still trying for that continuity in their last game anything else we are talking about before we go you people can listen to the podcast that I did with Ben Gulliver we talked about life inside the bubble. Did we make predict we didn't make we didn't for Ya Miami with how we doing we're so rusty here. Well, I guess it's been basically a year and a half since we done playoff preview now, right? So my prediction is so in a normal circumstance, I would not do this but I think this is going to be one of my larger theories of the Orlando bubble is I. think that when a series when a team gets to three wins and the other team has wonderf-, you're I think it's going to end relatively quickly. It's been a long time when she kinda hope is loss and all that. So I'm going to predict heat and five I'm teetering on the edge of five and six. Who in really it seems like the only way that I think Indiana's GonNa score well, enough as TJ warns has to go crazy and I thought you know he's got the planner Fasciitis I did I thought there's maybe a little over hyped how well Miami stopped him the other day but I think he's going to go for thirty a game either and I'm really not pleased with Ola depot is I think Miami's GonNa the big advantage on the second unit yet to go five as well, and certainly, if I had to pick a direction from there I, think it'd be more likely to be six than four. Without their star monster. What chance do they have I'm I'm very sad that you didn't pick six because the existential dread that you would have had when if Miami just like blows them out in game one. Would kind of it be a little bit delicious for me. But yeah, I I think that's the right call. Yeah I mean one of the ways I've thought about this I've said this before but if you didn't hear that Pod, my thought is yes in a game seven, d quote unquote road team would have more of an advantage than usual with no home court but I think the better team I expect the better team to take care of business or easily now because think about it this way right? Let's Say. The better team is like eight points better per game than the worst team right and so the better team and then you throw a home court advantage in on that and the better team is pretty much always GonNa win at home. But then at least on the road, you get a chance a place where you'll, let's say, even like the a two seven series or something like say Dallas and the clippers, you might say, okay, clippers probably have like an e percent chance of winning a home game and But Dallas had even though the worst team has a fifty percent chance of winning at home, and so it's actually possible to get like two series that way just because of the home court but without it, then you might say you know the clippers have a seventy percent chance of winning every game I think that is going to without having gained three and four at home, and particularly without having that rallying cry like two zero now is going to be a death sentence basically is my thought where and sentenced. That series will be over quickly as opposed to two. Oh is still almost a death sentence for winning the series, but it's not necessarily a death sentence for getting back to to to and taking it to six. So that's my thought is that if the home team, the better team wins those first two games you said when he gets to three, I think when it gets to zero, it's GonNa be really an uphill battle for a the inferiority I. So I, I will go back to what I was promoting before. podcast with Ben Gulliver talking about life inside the bubble both for him as a media member of the players and the referees we talked about as pickle ball piece. Also, my off-season previews for the eliminated teams are starting to rule out at the athletic, the Washington Wizards, and Sacramento Kings right now, and the rest should becoming relatively soon. So you can keep an eye on that end we have more League Pass Mba ago Thursday and Friday. Yeah we'll talk to y'all tomorrow MEMPHIS is huge game against Milwaukee if they went there in the play. Touchy. All tomorrow.

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We'll bond what do you make of the decision and what it means both in the moment and historically. We'll Tony, let's deal with the moment I because this is still evolving, developing and breaking to use that were we use in the news business. The athletic has already reported that the rockets and funders scheduled to play sixes eastern time tonight will not that that game's going to be off. You know there's been support. By some of the Milwaukee brewers. who were playing at home was scheduled to against Cincinnati tonight and his is spin this in the direction. I'd see it going if the Milwaukee Bucks are willing to boycott a playoff game not in their a playoff game are the Milwaukee brewers then GonNa WanNa suit up and go out on a field in Milwaukee and play given that there's already support in their clubhouse who what's going on in Orlando with the Milwaukee Bucks. So you've got you've got those sort of immediate issues Tony and it's going to be reverend. What are we? What are other basketball player thinking Lebron James you know either tweeted or instagram posted something recently today that expressed his extreme level of frustration I think. The Doc rivers, remarks last night powerful, and eloquent. They moved me enough that I reached out dock at like two o'clock in the morning to just exchange ideas about what, what, what, what is this and doc did not plan this. It was an outpouring which he told me and I think that resonated Tony particularly with players Doc rivers and Gregg Popovich may be the most respected coaches in the league doc rivers for younger players. He's a beacon to them in many ways and I think that this had something to do with what players felt and what we are now seeing executed. Okay. So let us run the tape of Doc rivers right now and then come back to this discussion if we can run that. We're the ones getting killed. Were the ones getting shot. It's amazing. Why we keep loving this country. And this country that's not loved back. My Dad. Was A cop. I believe in good coutts we're trying to get them to protect us. Just. Like the protect everybody else. All were asking is you live up to the constitution? That's all we're asking for everybody. For everyone. So I watch this two or three times today I have enormous respect for doc rivers liked them a lot as a player. Loved them as a broadcaster I think he's a terrific coach I. Think he's a fine and smart man and I watched this and I could not do anything. But agree with every single thing that doc river said there was one point. And you didn't hear this on this tape but he said you know essentially I would just like to be a coach and those days are gone because we put athletes not so much on a pedestal but our availability athletes is such that we ask them questions every single day questions that we don't ask C. E. O.'s questions that we don't ask judges questions. That we don't ask people around the country, but athletes and coaches are expected to answer, and so doc rivers can't just be a coach has to be a statesman as well. You've known him almost his whole life and I know how much you like him. So you can talk about this but then what we've got to get to is what to the players hope in the short term and long term to accomplish here we'll Tony I. Don't know differ players as young as they are. Yes. There's thinking going on I was glad that Fred van bleed norm. Powell Toronto two guys names people don't really know I got to know them last year in the playoffs because I was standing in the locker listen to them because it just smart discerning thoughtful guys now just like listening to them, and now here they are. At the forefront of something and have lead express something you just say wait a minute what how I'm getting asked this question what am I committed to doing the wondering out loud and I'm going in this direction because I don't know that they know what the long play is but Tony we don't. We can't afford to have long long play COSC- eight to twelve to fifteen to twenty more black men specifically are women shot and killed or put a on your neck. The long term play doesn't work anymore. You've got to play for now, which is what? You're hearing and I said this yesterday is the frustration that angered the desperation and I said this months ago because I'm older than those guys and so my frustration has been you don't hear me you don't hear you even here in this country yet the Republican national. Convention. Then I hear in this then I, give it a damn about black lives mentioned black lives. So we've got a portion of people in this country who are not nearly ready to get on the Bandwagon Tony, and this is the frustration and the desperation that you hear whether it's from. Doc Rivers, whether it's from a player whether it's from whomever and their points that we have to get to at some point about what the League is GonNa do this -Ly has not on just push back on these players as I suspect other and another league in the NFL would have done months ago. If now weeks ago I, think that commissioner Goodell made a u-turn but I don't know about the owners backing him this league is not GonNa, do that to these players and coaches so the question will be what does the NBA. Now want to do. So, this is thank you for asking that because we were both trained as newspaper reporters and I sit here now I don't have any answers whatsoever. But because of my training I've got a lot of questions I look at my notes. What is the immediate goal whereas the? NBA. Players. Association is this. Where's the team owner in this? Where is Adam Silver? Surely this has been discussed surely, there is a contingency plan because they're too smart not to think this could have happened. You know what is the impact? Do they play tomorrow? Do they stop playing and then my last note Mike is I honestly never imagine this and I'm looking blind now I have no idea what will happen next. Last night. Yeah. You could see it coming Tony before doc even talk if we just listening to players I talked to a few in the bubble and a lot of people outside of it and this was percolating. Yes. Because the short term Tony is to get people to stop killing folks. That's the short term. That's a short term goal stopped shooting me. Stop, make it. So the I am not afraid to see a police car driving down the Dan Ryan in Chicago or the Beltway in Washington DC or wherever the hell you want to be the four zero five in La make it so that I can not look over my shoulder at a police car and worry if my son is going to be safe in the car these are the immediate questions that we are dealing with, and this is the emotion you heard in doc's voice and how think about the complexity for Dr Perspective, his father was a cop a new docks father. I mean. It's it's so difficult in the point of view can be different from person to person, but the first goal is stop killing people. And Tony I told you all spring. I am not singing coon by I. Don't believe that the country has made a term I. don't because people are still getting shot when people was not shot anymore than I'll say, okay, let's hold hands and sing coon by but I told you all spring I'm cynical about this. This is why could no-show Wisconsin is why? Thank you. 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You didn't call that Marcus Morris would say he didn't deliberately step on Luca Danni pitches injured left ankle, which it looks to me like he did we'll buy where do you WanNa Start Paul George Sony I think Paul George is the important development in that he came out and talked about something that is incredibly difficult for anybody to talk about that no matter what they do and I remember talking about this all star weekend past with Kevin Love. About. What would be conceived or perceived as emotional psychological frailty or just dealing head on with these sorts of issues which could or could not include depression Paul George didn't go that far talked about talking to someone needing some counseling and he said he just checked out for a minute and what was going on in the bubble bothered him and I respect the hell out of Paul George for that and see freed up last night. Did he not with the way he played and conducted themselves. Good for him. No Darren. Yes, I mean to get to the game in southern no point in getting to the game. The clippers are a better team and they should have won the series already. They haven't wanted yet I. Still think it Michael Seven porzingas can play now for is doesn't play now I don't I don't think. Seven at this point but I did think that Marcus Morris from what I saw I thought that was delivered on dodges ankle and I think that I mean he's a player. He's an intimidating, very physical player and I think that you know how did you see that like basketball four hundred years until the last few? I mean, that's that's what basketball has always been Tony the basketball you and I covered in the eighties and nineties, and in about ten years ago to least we're not having that anymore. So it was a throwback move and that's what. He's a big tough guys brought in for that purpose. Yeah. Let's move to baseball. Tone. Chicago baseball specifically. But on the south side white sox started Lucas g Alito, got some help from rightfielder Adam ingle to record the final out of a no hitter. Overall. Toledo. Allow just one walk to the sorry pirates while striking out thirteen guys think he had thirty swings and misses. ALITA was celebrated. He was celebrated prospect with your nationals but just two years ago era above slates you guys dumped him. So this feel more like a one off or the arrival of star. So this is sort of personal with me because of what you just mentioned, he was signed to be the next Stephen Strasburg and. And a trade was made the trade was made and part of it getting back was at a meeting who was the regular right fielder now. For The Washington nationals, the nets really needs starting pitching. Now Strasbourg is out for the rest of the year. SCHERZER's given up one hundred home runs. Every single game Corbett is in and out and Sanchez actually looks like he he might be done. So the question comes to me in my mind. Was it wrong to trade G Lido for. And the answer is a thousand times out of a thousand. No wasn't wrong at all. 'cause the nets won a world series. I'm happy to Lucas G Lido is doing very well now in Chicago I'm happy for him and I'm happy that as partially as a result trade then that's one of the world series I'm GONNA CRAWL AT NATS corner now says he's wearing the Chicago White sox uniform point out that while the cubs got all the attention early on because it comes got off to a thirteen and three start slowed down Dylan first place in their division but you know struggled a little bit too tigers beat him up last night. The White Sox Tony of the best team in town and there were a lot of people who saw this coming throughout the off season even going back to last season when I thought the white sox sort of underperformed this should have been coming late last season. But now they can just they can hit out with the best of them that this dodger like and their ability to just blast home runs Antonio if you get a pitcher like g Alito if you get a guy like him. I don't care if it's one season I know it's a sixty game season. If people in May, want to put an asterisk next to it but the white sox have got going on in a way in Chicago that they have not since two thousand five when they won a world series no, they're not as popular as a cubs and Kenny Williams wants told us now the president of the White Sox it would take two or three world series victories to make that happen. But if we concentrate on right now, the white sox look as good as anybody in baseball. Good to hear you spend a lot of time in Chicago and Root for both teams. Again, we moved out to Phil Mickelson's victory this afternoon in his first ever champions tour appearance. Mickelson shot a combined twenty to wonder he won by three shots will bond how'd you feel about lefty playing in this tournament and taking this money? Good. This is what he should do. Look Tony. I mean I don't know when I started paying really close attention to the what I still call the senior tour the champion's tour baby maybe. Maybe. When I turned forty, I start paying attention to what the guy's doing fifty I watched them play anyway and so Tony, the guys who win like seventy five percent of the guys who win a fifty, fifty, one, fifty, two, fifty, three years old except burn are longer who's sixty four and still win it. Okay. But the rest of them when you turn fifty, it is time to grab the gold baby because what you're going to do because you're still playing like you were playing on the regular PGA. Tour. Do I fill could win like six of his first twenty times on the champions to he could win that many maybe more. Six of his first twenty feel could win six of his first six. He would eighteen of his first twenty not that this is like going to the ticket window at the track and putting your hand I just give me all the money you have. He is by far the best player on the senior tour I was surprised he deigned to even play on it, but he didn't qualify for the Fedex playoffs. So is dance card was free. He's going to roll through this thing away Dustin Johnson rolled through data vet last week. Don't underestimate Phil Phil underestimating or I got him winning. Better. Twenty nobody does that except tiger like two thousand Doug Crazy? Six out of six, hundred, eighty wkaz. Will Give me a real number eight. Still come the pacers part ways with nate McMillan replacement they're looking at me surprise you and NC state pushes back a football game scheduled for two weeks from now. You're underestimating filled on. The vet you just put out there filming take that I'll take A. Tim Picture of which. Bright. Now, form decisions is more important than ever especially when deciding when to return to the workplace and how to do it safely. That's why IBM Watson is helping businesses prioritize employee safety, manage facilities, and trace potential exposures with Watson works a set of a infuse capabilities. Your Business can protect the health safety and productivity of its people. Let's put smart to work visit IBM dot. COM Slash Watson works to learn more. Time people, happy thirty fifth birthday. David Price. Price was traded to the dodgers from the Red Sox as part of the mookie betts deal but price saw it out of this season saying July that baseball was not putting the health of its players I to help the dodgers minor leaguers. With the financial hardships as a result of the corona virus price pledged to give each minor leaguer who was not on the dodgers forty man roster one, thousand dollars in the month of June price gave up his own salary. He helped players. He didn't even know price lead the majors and strikeouts in two thousand, fourteen he led the American league in era in two, thousand, twelve and two, thousand fifteen. He won the Ail Al Cy Young in two thousand twelve and Al Comeback Player of the year in two thousand eighteen when he helped the Red Sox win the world series by starting. And relieving winning two games over the years. Prices had a rather contentious relationship with the baseball press, but it's hard not to respect what he has done during this pandemic. Tony respected even admire it i. mean he did something that was so thoughtful and measured and self less. So I, don't care about all that other stuff I mean when people started talking about opt out the word opt out took on something that was the little cynical. It should not. If you consider David Price did to opt out at what he did with his own money money from his own pockets. Cheers David Price. Not, so happy anniversary Paul, molitor. On this thirty three years ago. The brewers hall of fame third. Basement. So as thirty nine game hitting streak come to an end when he went over four in a one nothing extra inning win over Cleveland in fact, Molitor was in the on deck circle when Pinch Hitter Rick Manning drove in the winning run in the bottom of the tenth. The hometown fans in Milwaukee's county stadium were more interested in Mali's hitting streak and in the game and they booed manning as he walked off. The field molitor described the booing is a distortion of priorities. He said he walked up to Manning Manning said, sorry and monitor said, sorry, you won the gate after Joe Di Maggio set the record fifty, six straight in one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, one only pete rose's forty, four and nineteen seventy-eight has exceeded monitors. Thirty nine Molitor was a first ballot hall of Famer in two thousand four after twenty one seasons but three, oh six, batting average and three, thousand, three, hundred, nineteen hits, which is tenth all time what I thought. Molitor played almost lived in Robin Yount Shadow even though I think if you pressed me I'm going to tell you model was a better player than. And look at the tandem was there was they were great but I'm just saying if you made me choose one over the other would you not choose molitor over you out? I think it's a coin flip probably happy trails to phillies. Thanks to Victor Robe blaze in the sixth inning of yet another disappointing loss for the founding Washington nationals. Last night the phillies had jeans Segarra on I when Alec. Boehm into. Screaming. Line drive to center field that looked like it was going to the war not only did Victor rollerblades leaked to catch the ball but you have to record it. He turned back to the Infield and launched a two hundred eighty, eight foot strike to first base to double up. Sikora who had gone around second base anticipating hit robe. Lace was on the warning track. He was facing the stands. He not only threw the ball a remarkable distance, but he threw an eighty five miles an hour on the fly to his drubel Cabrera Nats. Fans have grown accustomed to replace going over the wall to bring back home runs as he did last week to Atlanta's Austin Riley but this play was totally unexpected. Now, if he could only hit twenty six strikeouts in twenty five games but I'm bitter because the natural last place in the division say great play. Forgive me the I don't want to hear that whining Tony. If, that doesn't remind you. You hear a Willie mays I don't know what does the catch the throne by the way I don't want to hear all these NFL dies who want to give you all this stuff about how great their arms are the ain't no greater than victim robot arm I guarantee you that I'll take on because anybody. Great. Prospect as is one Soto one update the athletic before that NBA players have called from meeting tonight in Orlando to determine the next steps might your thoughts on that they're all in the bubble together you know going to need to have this meeting is going to be one of the most important meetings, not just of the season with the bubble but of their lives. Do you think Adam silver with their decision. You think they bring Adam silver in now they don't bring him in to talk to him to talk to a lot of people I talked to each other. Okay, let's go to the big finish. The Pacers fired head coach, nate McMillan. Your thoughts always talk about you know what? Tony, becomes, available billions of good coat on his own and the pieces have been in the past I. I don't understand this I really don't. NC States football game with UTECH move from September twelfth of the twenty six after positive Koba test your thoughts. I think we're going to see this happen a lot I. think it's going to be very hard to get straight through the season without postponements. The honest one NBA defensive player of the landslide I assume that's okay with you. Yeah. Go to form. Tony. Narrowly ahead of Anthony Davis in Knin go bare. But I, thought the Janas, deserve that issue Anthony Davis has been great. Whitening bruins tonight series tied at one who you like more. Taking original six team I'm GonNa Take Boston last one Serena Williams lost in three sets last night concerned about her US Open process. This is the. US, open preparations or performance. So yes, concern. We're outside, we'll try and to better the next time and I'm Tony Kornheiser I'm Mike Wilbon with tomorrow by the NBA playoffs think. Friday you can get the PTR podcast on the ESPN APP or apple podcasts knuckleheads. Charlie doors shoutout.

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87. SouthWest/East Division Breakdown: 3/21-3/28

Big Fellas Basketball

21:00 min | 2 weeks ago

87. SouthWest/East Division Breakdown: 3/21-3/28

"Gen z hoops. Today we're talking about southeast division expert. Neiman's vodka huber down the past week of nba action for the hawks heat. Hornets magic and wizards. Nima starting us off. Who's been hot on this division. The atlanta hawks man. They're on an eight game win. Streak in their eight and under nate mcmillan and right. Now the hawks are the four seed of the twenty two nd twenty they have the ninth best offense they're second in offensive rebounding percentage and their number one and free throw rate in the last three games. They beat houston one. Nine hundred and one zero seven milk gallon ariz been bouncing back yet. Twenty nine in the game and nathan night had seen points off the bench. She's only by fifteen games in nba yet. A solid game that game Betray young struggled against houston bounced back the next night against o. k. c. Beat them once ninety. Three young twenty three points nine assists six rebounds and a bargain bogdonovich. Twenty points off the bench. So he's coming a little bit back into form. Finally they'd beat the lakers ninety nine to ninety four unfortunately in that game lebron james got hurt and he's going to be out indefinitely solomon hill collided with his ankle during a loose ball. But you know gain goes on in. Atlanta ended up winning john collins. Twenty seven points and great timing for john collins the show as he's the guy in the trade deadline rumors the trade. Deadline's coming up. This thursday collins is still on the block and it was announced by the athletic earlier this weekend. That collins was offered to minnesota for maliki beasley in a first round. Pick minnesota decline. So it's going to be interesting to see what collins is worth is in the market earlier in the in. The season said that leno wanted a lottery. Pick or too late first round picks. And so we'll see if any many teams really offer that up their next two games against the clippers sacramento at golden state Hopefully they can keep the street. Going under nate mcmillan. This looks like a different hawks team. They look like hawks team icon. They'd be at the beginning of the season. Move into the heat. They were playing pretty well until until just recently do you think they have a chance at getting it together. Before the as near the end of the season. I think so are they said two and three in the last five games. They've lost three straight and right now the five seed twenty to twenty one. The good thing about the heat is that they have the fifth best events in the league and they just now help that. Deepfakes by trading meyers leonard. Okay see for trevor rees in the last three games you know. They lost a memphis. Eighty five to eighty nine. They lost that game because of their bench The bench got out by thirteen points. And then against indiana. They lost one thirty seven to one ten in that game from poor shooting from their shooters duncan robinson to for nine tyler. Hero was four. Fifteen and kelly olynyk was to eleven and they lost again to indiana one nine to one zero six. They're getting tyler euro bounce back up and be the tyler herro. He wasn't the bubble and they're gonna need their shooters to be be the shooter's that they are this. Miami team revolves around their shoot as being informed and they revolve around bamut by everytime. Bam adebayo has gone bench last three games. That team has struggled in the last three games. They've been minus eighteen minus twenty minus twenty five respectively when bam what goes to the bench so it's gonna be interesting to see what miami does. They have a lot of options. Come trade deadline in a lot of contracts and if you ask any kind of insider any kind of article you'll see them miami's in for everybody so we'll see what they do and they'll make a move Their next three games against phoenix portland in charlotte phoenix. Portland will be talking. Charlotte will be without lamelo ball. So we'll see what happens in miami transitioning over from the heat to the hornets. Obviously last night. The news run. The league was all about lamelo ball and his fractured wrist with him. Silent for the rest of the season most likely. What do you see this team and doing. They were on such a role before he got hurt. Yeah i mean they were doing decent. They've lost last games by double digits. So you know how much is lamello ball. Being out really heard them. I think more in the long run but the last three games they've been at port form. They lost the nuggets in one one. Twenty nine one zero four nugget shot fifty eight percent from the field almost sixty seven percent. Effective feel percentage. They lost the lakers one. Sixteen to one five and even though ball had a good game with twenty six points the team in nineteen turnovers and ball had six of them and then against the clippers Even the lamelo gonna hurt you know. They were outclassed as a team effort by the clippers. The team's priorities have changed with lamelo. They look like a top eight team in the east and now without lamelo it could be very tough. Especially with terry rozier trade rumors. Graham being in trade rumors others been rumors about them possibly going after miles turner but that might be different now with lamelo ball out. So it's going to be interesting to see what charlotte does. Are they going to push to really make the playoffs. Even with lamelo ball out or are they going to just call it a season. Pack it up getting good player in run back next year either way. Charlotte has to be happy with what they've done. So far this season especially with allah mellows played. It's very unfortunate that he's out. He was the front runner for rookie of the year. Use my pick for rookie of the year. But charlotte has to look forward and see what's going to happen next next. Update at san antonio houston miami. All three of those games are winnable even with with with lamelo out. So it's gonna be interesting to see who steps up next for charlotte is gonna be demonte graham again. It can be terry rozier. Or is it going to gordon hayward a grenade has had a great year he has been kind of down lately but with him. Kind of being the focal point again in charlotte. There's a decent chance that he could get bounced back up and then on the similar theme of teams that were doing really well maybe taking a slip in most recent games on the upcoming games the wizard after having a great win streak really seem to kind of sputter in the last few games. Do you think they'll be able to find the grew back. That really got into striking distance of a player of a playoff spot. Yeah wizards it's just top. That so far this season they've had the second hardest schedule. Luckily for them they have the second easiest schedule for the rest of the year. But right now they're two and eight in their last ten thirteenth in the east. So young season is getting shorter and shorter. Were forty one games through the season. For the wizards thirty one left to go. You still have time to start winning these games. But it's gotta start the one pace number one in free throw rate. These are good things for the twenty seventh and defense the defense really needs to shore up luckily for them rushes in good form He has had a triple double and four of his last five games. A double double on eighteen of his last twenty is really showed a flash of the team. They could be earlier this week whenever they beat utah by nine bradley. Beal hat forty three points. You see you see a team that like is extremely talented on the court and just very well fitting off the court. They have a good lock room especially with russ in that locker room. Everybody is talking about how great of a may russes. It would be very unfortunate to see this team not in the playoffs. They need to start winning games now so for the trade deadline talks about donna's batons being on the blog. He's probably the most movable contract what they get back for him. It will be interesting to see. I think any more shooting. They need few other guys who are smarter on ball players. I would think probably like a terrence. Ross someone who could score for themselves outside at bradley beal russell westbrook on someone that need to be set up for their shot. And i think that should be the target for the wizards as well as some type of size Thomas ryan obviously still out with acl injury. Robin lopez and wagner are holding down in the center position as well as you know bertans and now they have the knicks coming up twice. The knicks are one of the best defenses in the league. Detroit that towards is one of the worst teams in the league but they did have a big game against houston earlier. This week. it's gonna be interesting to see. What the wizards do. I think they need to go on to win. Streak with russ bradley beal man. Anything is possible but unfortunately the only thing that's been possible so far as a lot of losses so bad things up with a team that's really began the season with all the injury with the injury bug has been struggling with the whole time can can tell us about the magic. And if you think there's any hope for them In these next few weeks to salvage any any any of our winning season. Unfortunately i have to say no. I do not think that there's any way the magic can turn this around right now. They're fourteen and twenty eight fourteenth seed in the east and it's not looking pretty one intended their last eleven. That one win was against brooklyn. So you know looks nice. But it took aaron gordon getting a season high of thirty eight and evan forty. Also scorning score at Evan forty also scoring thirty one points for them to be brooklyn in the early. One by eight. And gotta remember brooklyn doesn't have katie. So they're just not really good team man and the dealing with injuries. Vote-rich is is still bluejean. Still play in. But it's it's very tough. The system in orlando needs. Aaron gordon be a secondary or tertiary score on i. Just don't see him as that kind of guy and it looks like he might be out of out of orlando soon. The athletic reported earlier this morning. There was almost finalized. Deal that would send aaron gordon houston and ola depot to orlando although it fell through now. Apparently there's some pushback from aaron gordon. He doesn't want to go to houston. He wants to go to a playoff contender and he has officially asked for a trade. So it's gonna be interesting to see what were landau does. In at the trade deadline they had a very young core of a co anthony. Jonathan isaac and mark folks moving forward however all three of those core are out for for extended periods of time markelle folds and jonathan isaac out for the season voyage. They could move them right now. He has great value but at the same time. Like you wanna move guy who is arguably one of the best players in the history of your franchise. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens with orlando at the deadline. Who they move what they moved. They also have guys like terrence. Ross and evan forty eight who are on decent contracts can help a contender orlando has always been one of those teams to me. That is very talented but just can't get it going To me they are. They are the bad version of indiana. Where every position a above average player who is extremely talented. Although indiana is very good at winning games unfortunately orlando is not and you know what socks for them. Is there one in ten last eleven. Their next five games is one of the toughest stretches in the nba. Applying denver phoenix portland and then lakers and the clippers both clippers in away. So it's going to be very very very talk for orlando. That five games could easily be another five game losing streak now put them at fourteen thirty three and a deep deep hole. I think they can probably steal. Maybe one or two of those games. I don't think they can win out. I don't think that they can get a winning percent. Above five hundred winning percentage out this five. I don't think they're going to be a top ten seed in this place in the standings this year and i think they need to start getting ready for some cade cutting hammer jerseys down there in orlando walking to gen z hoops. Today were jomar. Southwest division expert curtis johnson hitter way down the panic of action for the grizzlies mavericks spurs pelicans rockets courtesy grizz staying right there in the hunt for the numbers. Ten nine eight season the western conference. How do you see them. Really making a push as we get close to end of the season. I think it's going to be you know the main thing you have everybody healthy offering you know jaren Everybody's back healthy. And i think now at this drawn out of coaching and has to figure out what rotation. He's going to use a little bit this week with him. You know putting desma bank back on the bench and started grayson allen again brezhnev doing well starting until he got his concussion against clippers up for the all star break. Hopefully you know dance. Sure he's gonna steal bring a power punch balk benchley. It's in eighteen. Point saturday against the bonus they warriors yourself still not a slow up in his game coming off the bench jones he's not going to dominate the board. He's had a rebound. The last four out of five games is currently now ranked third and mba in rebound twelve. Point one a game john. Welcome to win against the miami heat. It a go ahead layup. The finished the game with thirteen points. Six assists and four rebounds. And you know there's gotta keep go to what they're doing and everybody is going to buy into their role that everybody's gonna be good. And i think when it's all said monday we'll finish between the a you know eight nine ten possibly seven by when everything said and done since will definitely be huge for this team and one of the teams that occupying those spots and really holding them off is the dallas mavericks. Were also in your division. I'm how do you think the mavericks can keep the distance from the grizzlies on his wall. Some leads the teams that are really making a push. Yeah definitely. I think that same thing. Keefer degrees is going to be keeping the mavs hills with them is going to be kris. Porzingis he's at the believe he's only one game. Since the all-star break has returned which is good for him. He had a win in the win against the clippers. He finished with a double double eleven points. Thirteen rebounds lukla. He finished with forty. Two point. nine assists and sixty thousand. A win against the clippers will abroad and joel out alad for him to make a late flicked into the mvp race. I don't think you wind up the you'll finished third place. But i think he's definitely going to make a run because it is with both of those guys in out of we'll future in on top of that i think a lucrative. We're gonna move up into western conference as Potentially getting in the a six or five c going Leapfrogging never nuggets impossible anderson antonio spurs him leapfrogging both down dallas moving up in the rankings. And somebody to watch tim. Hardaway's been averaging twenty points in the last three days may be good that on your fantasy team. Another guy thing. he's gonna be a into running for our six men. In the year jordan clarkson you may find second. I think parts is gonna finish. I put tim hardaway. Nine will be the a hat as you would say when it comes to the names of the top That you'll be voting. For and like i said look for them to move up into standings going to be fun to watch him play loop always fun to watch play and was helping discography. This thing definitely meant a team. That's are different a whole different track than these other. Two teams the houston rockets. Who have been a twenty game losing streak. It's not looking good. Is there any way they can try to salvage a season after being the only team ever to franchise ever to have a twenty game winning streak and a twenty game losing streak. They've really had a lot of change. And variability what do you think they could do to kind of just salvage something out of this season. And i honestly think is going to be key. It started with doing pd. Tucker to the milwaukee bucks which paul last week is one hundred dollars he would fit. Best things are going to be a tremendous over with jaanus middleton holiday thing he's gonna fit will over there good situation for him and i kind of think science situation gonna plow. You gotta figure out you know who. Who are you going to have moving forward. Obviously i was a christian. Would good to go. He's a definitely a guy you wanna keep around. He's playing well above. I'm sure what they paid in. The contract portman expectation. You gotta figure out. Is john wall somebody you want to believe. He still has a one or two years up on a big contract and silence of washington wizards. Is he a guy you want to move forward with it. Golden will they wanna move forward because this conjuring spiders off season you wanna trade him now to get some assets for draft because he will forget but they trade a louder drap s way getting russell westbrook. James hardie one. You know trey. Clint fellow away. They traded the ladder draft pick. So now you gotta figure out where in rebuild him also who we wanna keep. And i think that starts with keeping christian woods in essentially you know. I don't think they should do deal depot and a trade drafting A young player and me. Personally i will keep john wall. I think he's good to have around. I still can play and You know is. I think it's just more of him by nance rebuilt. 'cause how many times does he want to do this. I'm sure he wants to compete for championship or being playoff-caliber teen so we'll see I think the first thing they need to do is get off this twenty game losing streak Am one against that. They beat the memphis. Grizzlies nets won crystal would got hurt well on a positive note as well. They have all of their players. The outside of erik. Gordon heir gordon. Without four six week with ruin injury. So that's a good sign. Far spending continued to put in because it seems like the rotation jiang's every game. I look at a box for just hope that he could lose spooks sooner than later and some of the morale up on the day to move by one of those teams megan which willing anita in dire need of a strong push in the second half of the season. Were you really see from the pelicans who team that kind of really expects to be in that eight nine range but really have a lot of work to do to to make sure they get that point. Yeah pelicans first off to start winning some games. They lost the game that they should've one actually watched his game in the fourth quarter. They lost to the portland trail blazers. The first game of lee about two points. There were up like the entire fourth quarter. Where like minutes ago and meghan knucklehead mistakes miss some free throws a lonzo ball. He had a career high seventeen assist game as well. True would rather got the win but they just got You know bottom line to win. I gotta learn close out games. They just didn't look good in that game and they've had some more games like that. Were to lead just gotten away missing free throws and other things so that they gotta figure things out those with the grizz. The gotta have you know the memphis grizzlies losing some gains. And you want the spurs in dallas. That's in front of you and the grizzlies and spurs had most games left so you're going to have to hope both those same start losing that winning more games than nara losing so they need to get on a winning streak ending three or four game win streak losing one one or two here near if they wanna have a chance of playing in the playoffs. The plan game in the playoffs loans. Awhile you had a good game against the clippers dominant performance. He finished with twenty points. Five or six rebounds. As i said earlier he had to get the blairs seven chain He didn't plan them regain. Which was tonight notice. What next week. So but he didn't late tonight. Because i believe that it was a knee injury or something needs and denied his. He didn't play tonight. So that's something you want to look at the long. He's out good news for him as they want without lonzo brennan ingram as i on both finished the game with thirty points against the nuggets. But i definitely won't lonzo back so let's hope does not is just a minor injury because his brother lamelo out for the rest of the year had suffered a wrist injury today and they said reports wolgast shams as probably going to be arrested. Your so. let's hope that's not the case for lonzo. Just something minor. And he'll be back next yang so the spurs being in the seven spot. I'm still with forty play just the grizzlies. They're really all of these teams in your division kind of right there really really trying to separate themselves. What can the spurs. They've been a mob consistency. How can the heat up at the end. The season really distance themselves. I think most important and they finally got you know the marta rose and back is Flatter past couple of weeks ago so good to see that he's back on the floor opens. Everything's going welcome off the court as well. He's going to be key for them. When lamarcus is still hanging in the balance you know of what. They're going to do what they're going to buy them out or trade him. Demars beekeepers him. He's the he's ever twenty points hour. We're going late. Assist the game right. Now he's gonna be keefer them to go on win streaks and nog on a lot of sprigs in knoxville. A seven spot. This fall down into that that play a game being a non. Were you gotta win to guide. Instead of one is going be key. Another positive thing for the spurs happened. He owned a johnson. he's too i bars Tim dunkin's reported twenty one again With twenty twenty twenty one rebound against the cavaliers looked phenomenal out there for sure not to pick them in the draft. I said they're just waiting on this margot situations where they're gonna do it. Him get bought out or is you're gonna get traded me personally. I think he's probably gonna get bought out. Can trade and traffic or anything. This point his career and as i said last week got good teams for him to go to blazers ball. Spin miami lakers in toronto. I don't know so much about the lakers. Right now with the bronx now and a d. They may look to get a younger guy. You know they can play the three via position. You know decisions basketball day. So honestly i'm thinking Best fit for him. Right now The nuggets probably gonna come back for the blazers is probably gonna be Boston or miami.

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Thibs to NY, Latest Bubble News, NOP/SAS/HOU Youngs

Dunc'd On Basketball Podcast

1:19:44 hr | 9 months ago

Thibs to NY, Latest Bubble News, NOP/SAS/HOU Youngs

"Oh. Man I can feel it. The regular season is going to be back. I such an called the regular season, the seating games. Sorry, NBA. We gotTA GOTTA. Get the terminology right, but basketball is back. This is really GonNa be such a sprint now at the two week to seating games, and then crazy playoffs four games a day. I can't wait for. It gotTa to do some news this? Danny we're GONNA finish up our reports on the young players, looking at the pels in the spurs which are fascinating and the rockets which are slightly less fascinating I do however have a massive massive announcement. This is maybe the coolest thing that happened to us so far in our careers dinning. are going to be actually for real announcing NBA Basketball Games on NBA League pass. It's going to be available in the NBA APP I. Don't have a link to it yet, but even if you're not league. League pass subscriber. You can purchase that one individual game. The Games are Brooklyn Orlando on the first full day of Action Friday at two thirty Eastern and eleven thirty Pacific, perfect timing. Actually. If you're in Europe, we're going to be available for international listeners as well so it's prime time in Europe, and then we've got another game going as well on Monday that'll be sixers and Spurs at eight eastern five Pacific. That'll be on Monday so if you've ever wanted more options for announcers, this is an. The lead they basically have never done this before. To actually let us cast the the game. All of it's GONNA be one window of your league. Pass subscriber you already get it, or you can purchase the game and the links available yet, but I will have a link in the next show that we do I'm actually going to do one more episode before Thursday now, so there'll be a link to that in the show. Obviously on twitter, we'll have it available as well, but this is your chance to tell the NBA that you really like the work that we're doing that, not only us but people. People as wall should get chances to broadcast NBA Games. If you've ever watched the NBA cast, this'll be pretty similar experience to that so Danny! We could not be more fired up for this. It's an incredible opportunity. Really appreciate that the League is letting us be on the vanguard of this. It's only we've been working towards. Basically. Since the moment we started casting back in October of twenty sixteen, and the hope is that this can become a regular feature, but of course that is going to rely on you all to actually watch this thing and convinced the league that this is worth doing so once again. Again, that is two thirty eastern on Friday Orlando. Brooklyn looks like Jonathan Isaac might actually play in that game to be cool, and then sixers spurs eastern on Monday in the NBA pass. Let's get to the aforementioned news now. There's been concern that there's not enough transparency in terms of injury reporting, and the NBA has done something to address that at least before five pm. On the day before the seating games, NBA teams now designate a participation status for players in a League portal that goes down to five hours prior to tip in instances of back to back Games which there will hopefully be few of. Of, but that's one of the status will be self isolation. There's a potential for covid nineteen exposure, or if someone is returning from an absence, and will be the usual injury absences as well being catch you up on some of those absences of beaches. ZUBEC- has arrived as I'm recording this. He's actually playing in a scrimmage game right now. Still haven't had any word on Landry. SHAMET S- officially, but apparently he is in Orlando and is going through his quarantine period right now Marcus Morris. of course is back for them more drama, though as Lou Williams, left the bubble to attend the funeral A. One of his mentors, but was photographed on social media, going to a strip club where he claimed he was just picking up wings, but the NBA has reacted to that I. Think the optics of it are not good, and if players are gonNA have excused absences. Yes. Lou Williams tested negative everyday, but because of that they decided that he has to have a ten day quarantine, and presumably also involved initial fringe, testing the more invasive testing, but fortunately for the clippers, their schedule in the scene Games is exceedingly easy, and they're going to be just fine holding onto the to seed most likely. Likely, and they're really don't need to be ramped up until their first round match up, and even that might not be too bad for them. Patrick Beverley has returned. He will be doing his four day quarantine. Apparently, he was tested while he was gone with his family married, and then mantras Herrell remains outside of the bowl unknown whether he is getting tested regularly a or not, but it seems like everyone who has left has been so I would be surprised to if he weren't also but zoo botch back now. They get joking. Know who's actually been playing reasonably well in some of. Of the seating games or I'm sorry of the scrimmages, so all of this not a huge deal for the clippers. They're playing for I wanted to say June. I guess they're playing for October. More, accurately now Zion Williamson has also now returned to the bubble after his undisclosed family matter, he too got coronavirus testing while he was gone, and he hopes to practice on Wednesday wants his four day. Quarantine is complete. Does that mean that he will play on Thursday I? Give it were another player. That might be possible. The pels of course have a lot of pressure to start winning games. Games the immediately and that game against Utah is the big one. They need to win that and Utah's GonNa be trying in that game to they're fighting for seeing so that should be a pretty high level. A game I would be shocked if Williamson weren't on some kind of minutes limit, but it seems like you might be on track to play a they take it pretty conservatively with him, but they're gonNA want to try and make the ploughs and hey for the first game of this restart. Maybe there's a little pressure to play, but it really all depends. WHAT TYPE OF SHAPE? A report that getting some cramping right before he had to leave the bubble Andre Roberson has actually been playing for okay. See in the scrooges as a backup four looks pretty good, I think he might be a better option if he can stay healthier than dirtiest bazeley would have been, and by the way holiday and I talked about really what we see is the top twelve teams going into the bubble yesterday so I recommend giving that. Listen. Honduran Dunkin to really get yourself rubbed up. We had a a number of predictions. Just kind of free formed at talked about the most interesting players and matchups that teams were facing as you went into. into the bubble for Portland Damian Lillard did not play in Sunday scrimmage against Toronto. He has enflamed left foot. x-rays were negative Terry Stotts said he does have some inflammation. I don't expect it to be a long term thing for Philadelphia. Joel embiid also sat out of scrimmage on Sunday with some CAF-. Dynasty did practice today over doesn't appear to be anything serious for him elsewhere in terms of Corona Grover Status Trey. Burke apparently arrived for Dallas Aaron. Baynes is still in Phoenix but an Ellie Cobos there June. LIQ- apparently is not four Phoenix. We talked about that on the late show. Actually Pat Contin said that he used in rot as of. Of Saturday Austin rivers had left the bubble, but then return due to a personal matter, so you should be pretty close to being able to play in Houston's first game. A couple of players just forgot to stop by the nurses station for their mandatory Cova tests and had to do one day. Quarantines KRISTAPS PORZINGIS FOR DALLAS. He missed a scrimmage game and Paul millsap surprisingly enough for a veteran for Denver. He missed a a I think it was just a practice for him, but he was but both those players no indication that they tested positive, but they just missed test in therefore weren't able to participate in the day's activities Luke Rashard and and Bob Mugabe has arrived for Houston. He revealed that he did in fact. Have Covid nineteen and was symptomatic, but an appears to be recovered. Now Indiana has been a team with a ton of news modus head. That planner fasciitis hadn't done anything in a while and he now in fact is left, the bubble would reported as a significant foot injury. Nate McMillan turned it planner. Fasciitis said that he's going to La to try to get some additional treatment, and they are really light up front because Goget Batat, say hasn't practiced the at all. Nate McMillan says he's at least two weeks away from potentially returning Monster Turner had calf injury, but But played in their scrimmage yesterday, old depot actually had a a better game. We'll see his status still up in the areas that made a decision yet and so they're starting lineup. That McMillan says he's likely to go to Aaron. Holiday Malcolm Brogdon Vitual Depot, TJ Warren and miles. Turner, that might be one of the worst rebounding starting lineups in NBA history, be interesting to see what the matches are warrant. It's pretty undersized the at four. Turner's out a good defensive rebounder. They're going to have a lot of speed and a lot of shooting out there, but it's a lot of work on turner worn and old depot. I mean those are three pretty. Pretty good defensive players even Brogden holiday like those are bad defensive players, but they are very smart to see how that lineup ends up looking, but that's the plan right now, and then at backup center with no Simonova Todd Say Jakarta Sampson is going to be who they are going to go to their. Probably go to more of a switching unit on the second unit was Simpson. The problem is Simpson was always that he couldn't shoot, but he's an NBA athlete. He has been dealing with some back issues as he was during the regular year, but he said that it was precautionary absence. He said he's fine today. At practice, he did not. Not Play in their scrimmage yesterday so Samson ahead of Tj Leaf for that backup center position. All this is very interesting, too. Because remember that nate McMillan, only the team option for next year's a shorter contract J. Michael reported that and so you would imagine that this is kind of a fish or cut bait situation for the Pacers, where an for Macmillan as wall where he is to say if I don't have a long term contract as you want to go into next year's potential, lame duck, it does seem like though with some of the financial concerns around the League which we're. GonNa get to an herb Simon. For example, his fortune is based. Based a lot on the shopping mall company, which going downhill a little bit to begin with, and then with covid nineteen shopping malls, not the most popular understandably, so so maybe we would just see that team option. Get exercise regardless just because they don't WanNA spend money on the new coach. I think maybe done a good job. I think they need a new coach. It to be clear, but a lot of times you get into this situation this late in a coach's contract, coaches and teams are are loath to just play it out speaking of coaching. The Knicks have not officially done so yet, but it is reported by woge big surprise. affiliated with ca not that which doesn't break Nancy a news, but this one was a fait accompli that he was going to get this story. Though is going to be hired as the Knicks head coach, and it'll be a five year deal again. We don't know if that's a full five-year deal whether they're options. Usually these deals have team option, but. But still to get a five year deal, let's longest anybody ever gets as a coach. Other than I think Brad Stevens. When they lured him out of college initially, and it's impressive. Given what I thought it was a pre pour resume in Minnesota to get that five year deal Stephan, Bondi News at previously reported that discussions had broken down over the contract. Contract and they did get the five year deal. This is an interesting analog to twenty four hours of the last time that James Dolan brought in an outsider. Run things as time it's. Leon rose back then it was Phil. Jackson recall that Phil. Jackson had negotiations with Steve Kerr those apparently went pretty far and then Kerr backed out in part due to. To Frank I sold reporting in part due to the fact that he simply was not offered the contract that he wanted, and that was deemed to be due to James Dolan's interference, and there was some reporting that may be. Dolan was interfering here as well I. Don't know the time through frankly deserves a five year contract like if he's really should have. Have that much leverage, but he he will be the next coach. Danny I've talked about him. And they're just some concerns over all of his development of young players, although worth noting that guys like derrick rose joking, not Jimmy Butler did develop while on his watch in Minnesota, the record was not as good Kevin Peltonen in his piece also noted that the. The Ice Defense and the strong side overload that he pioneered with Boston in the late two thousand, so that's something that has been a less effective strategy overall, and he was not able to improve the wolves defense. When he went there the same way he was was Chicago, even in Chicago they slipped. Not Being a top ten unit is last season there. There, so I don't think the tips is the right hire I think he is I. Don't know if he has shown enough to meet a deserve another chance. You guys know that my philosophy is if a guy hasn't proved himself to be truly outstanding as a coach. Why not try and find say the next Taylor Jenkins or the next nick nurse or Or the next Phil Jackson or the next Pat Riley or the next Gregg Popovich all coaches. You basically had no pedigree at all. Instead of going with guy who has some good points, has some bad points seems to be on the downswing in terms of performance, and you kind of know what you're getting. I don't think that there's much chance that trump. is going to vault back into being in that top echelon of NBA coaches. Finish out the news here with a couple of related items. The first is that baseball is had an outbreak with the Miami Marlins I think it was four players had tested positive on Sunday then today on Monday to eleven, people have tested positive now. They've been traveling together. They dressed together in the clubhouse unclear. What the level of masking that has been I mean that's a pre crazy outbreak, even if you are spending time together in close contact, if are wearing masks and staying. Staying distant us shouldn't have that, so there must have been maybe some kind of breakdown crazily. They played a game. The four positive tests because the team voted that they wanted to play, and they played against the phillies so unclear whether the Philly's got any transmission there either Lisa. It's an outdoor sport without a lot of close contact the way you would have in basketball which is of course indoors, but the reason I focused on that number. One is because Major League baseball is only testing every other day I. Think they? They have as much as A. A one or a two day turnaround at times as well so it's really hard to get a handle on these outbreaks quickly. If the NBA is going to have players being in their home markets and proceeding under a similar approach to what baseball is doing for next season, even with no fans, this definitely casts some doubt if we have the same level of transmission in the community as we have right now that there will be able to be a conventional regular season next year in the NBA, supposedly is looking at some bubble ideas for next year, but. But with both the success of this bubble, and this issue at the Marlins will see how football does the NBA is lucky that they'll at least get a chance to see how football and baseball do before they try this themselves, but number one. We're looking at very like were knocking at fans. Ex, you're so. That's forty percent of your revenue gone. Have Navin silver, and then the fact that you might have to do this bubble again is the players Association GonNa be okay with doing that again as well as that really gonna be the only way you. You can do it when you have this level of transmission. It seems like that's the case right now and so unrelated note then the finances for next year Brian Windhorst with some general reporting on that. What financial climate is going to look like? There is speculation that teams could lose tens of millions of dollars now in theory, they're supposed to split the revenue. Fifty fifty with the players remains to be seen as we talked about last week. What the escrow situation is going to be there to actually enforce that lot of negotiations coming here for the players. Players and owners and also unclear how bad owners expenses are going to be whether it's being to get insurance money whether it's not having to pay rent. Potentially with all that said when are saying? They're speculation that teams could lose tens of millions of dollars. One owner told him that they're looking at fifty million dollar losses and I again caution that you really got to watch it here. When they say losing, you can say well. Hey, we were scheduled to make a hundred million dollar profit next year, and we're GONNA. Make fifty, so we lost fifty million. Million Dollars Right? That's that could be accurate or we talking about know your cash flow is actually negative by fifty million dollars. It appears that they meant the latter. This owner because of what he said was. If that happens, I have three options I could borrow the money. I could sell part of the team, or I could do a cash. Call me, and my partners would have to write checks, and yes, that is what happens there. The NBA is one of very few businesses where you just about have guaranteed profits at this point with the TV deal. Deal and revenue sharing for certain teams and the players now getting less of the revenue than they did under the pre twenty eleven. CBA's, but a global pandemic is one of those times and owners say while the reason that we deserve these prophets is because we're putting up the capital worth taking the risk well, that's a downturn is part of the restaurant. If you WANNA make those big profits, you also have the risk. That's why that's the service that the owners are providing here is the capital make this operation? Go Round, but that said this is. Going to lead, it would seem to some retrenchment according to windhorst reporting discussion that teams may have to slash payroll. Maybe they'll trade players. Maybe they won't aggressively pursue. Free agents one GM told windows that he suspects first round picks will be for sale in this draft with this also being a bad drought and you've got, but you've really I talked about this with Wilcox you really. Really got the perfect storm here because you're not with no actual money, few teams a cap that's lower than expected as well few teams with salary cap space above the mid level, and then you've got a draft. That's not that good. You've got a free agent class that is, if not historically poor, very poor overall, so you remember back in the summer of two thousand eighteen, we could. Could get a redux of that could be even more restrictive. In terms of of signings north also focused on the warriors. They apparently are trying to get a two hundred fifty dollar, million or two hundred fifty million dollar loan to cover expenses for next year. That might enable them to continue to pay their large payroll, also that they have that seventeen million trade exception, they can add salary. Salary with and the warriors are unique in that they get eighty percent of their revenue from their kate. That's more than most teams. Most teams as it was indicated by Adam silver about forty percent of the revenues from Gate Overall the warriors signed a new TV deal shortly after Laker took over that has them below market especially when you consider how good the team has been in terms. Terms of TV deal. You compare that to the Knicks or the Lakers for example, other high revenue teams get a lot of TV revenue the Lakers. I didn't get two hundred million dollars a year in terms of TV revenue. You know ink, the warriors or somewhere in maybe like the thirty five to fifty million dollar a year range, but they get a ton of this from the chase. Chase Center, but if they can get that financing the then, maybe they can continue to ads salary in next year is certainly going to be a critical year for the words they attempt to return to relevance, also windhorst, noting that lake of has significant invested in technology and testing methods to try to seep fans back into chase center sometime next season. We'll see about that I, mean I? I would imagine that would be extremely rapid turnaround testing for anyone entering the building. You know fifteen minutes around, but those tests may not be totally accurate, but you might also be able to have if you do that, and then you throw in mass any throw in social distancing. You're not at full capacity all that stuff. then. Maybe it could be possible. It also depends of course on. On? What the level of community transmission is, but you know? Let's see of schools can successfully open I of before we're going to try and have fans that at basketball games, and there's those the possibly of vaccine, of course, but it being widespread enough by the end of next year I say that less likely again one more reminder. Please check it out. Share it on social, media. Media as well during the game, I'll have a LINKA available pretty shortly to purchase it and just a one game situation for our league. You actually doing the game. 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Are Those bringing Danny now to discuss the last of our teams here in the Southwest Division? We gotta get to the new. Orleans Pelicans Santos Spurs and the Houston Rockets the latter of which I will. will be brief our criteria in case you forget. We're GONNA. Look at all the players with three or fewer years of experience and just talk about how their game evolved this season, and if they played it all last year, we'll give me one through ten development grade, so maybe the sexiest team out there for the exercise is the New Orleans Pelicans and remarkably. That's true without Brandon Ingram. Ingram because Ingraham was in his fourth year, so thus ineligible for how we do these requirements and either way. We'd start with Zayn Williamson. Age Nineteen season only played in nineteen games pre hate us for the PELS, but averaged twenty four points and seven rebounds in thirty minutes per game ridiculous twenty four p. e. r. on sixty two percent shooting, thirty percent, usage and house I will. Let Me Stop Your therapy insurance thirty percent usage when you almost never shoot away from the rim, I mean that's just absolutely incredible that ease just capable of generating that many shots right at the basket, particularly when the almost never go to him and like an ice. Oh, or something like that like all this stuff that he does his quick hitters like just the that number. Number of all the numbers that is out there to have three percent usage with the type of game that he has like that just shows you how different he is that he can generate this many shots right out the basket when that's what teams are focused on taking away. Here's an here's another way of thinking about it. Having that high usage rate with that loan not. At bad, but because most players with that amount of usage have the ball in their hands, enough times to make those choices to put in their hands so four in the last ten years from two thousand ten on, and yes, it's true Simpson didn't. He did five hundred never he did play. Twenty two player seasons where somebody had a usage rate over twenty eight percent and assist percentage below thirteen percents that was the combination that Zion had, and he's in some pretty strong company I mean there are some interesting guys net group young Brook Lopez Young demarcus cousins. Anthony, Davis twice early Kevin Love did it, and so it's just like this unusual group of incredibly talented players. That just added a different way Ando draper. Draper are yeah, even though you know those guys. At least all have some sort of game away from the basket, whereas Zayn may eventually develop that to some degree me had that fourth reporters in the fourth quarter in that first game against the spurs than I. Think what did he hit one more all seasons of the that I think he to more all season, and yeah, the closest analogue insurance that might actually be. Be Al Jefferson and also early PROKOP has didn't have a didn't force space before that we had more midrange game than signed us. Yeah, but again I mean I think it's you know he just the offensive glass. The Transition Cots, your quick attacking posts ups. I mean it's just there are not that many places where they're just like. Okay. Let's throw design and see what he can do. That's just what's so crazy about. About his game is just the speed with which he gets on top of the RIM, the incredible finishing that he has a and even even though I mean we'll talk about a few things that he can get a lot better at it, but it still is just absolutely remarkable. The amount of shots these able to generate at his eyes with that type of game I I keep going back to that I realize. Worlds we got him. I. Think It's Interesting how Zion is effective in basically all of the play types per synergy that the Pelicans put even post ups seventy first percentile transition, sixty eighth, and I think that's going to go up with time cutting sixty seven percent offensive rebounds sixty second, and you think that he could actually do better there if he wasn't. He wasn't missing. His own Mrs sometimes meet has has these getting off. Off The floor like nine times for else gets, it gets off at two, so he's kind of padding is usage in his offensive rebounds a little bit trip, but that also makes its efficiency lower than it really could be that that's very true and also another another important stat. Zion Ten free throw attempts per thirty six minutes. That's about the same rate as Luca. Danni had this year and that was something I praised. Praised in the last podcast Zion Yeah it's only five hundred and sixty five minutes, but the early indications are incredibly efficient player in the word that I've used over the last couple of years. Something I've become more fixated on incidentally Kawhi Leonard is a part of this is the concept of undeniably and at nineteen years old with a lot of potential physical adjustments to do whether they're improvements are not. We'll have to see design. Design whimsy could overpower almost every MBA. Not every team in those incidences are important, but he's a beast against men instantly, despite despite not being under percent physically I mean he missed the whole first part of the season was still coming back from surgery. Yeah, absolutely, and I didn't think he looked quite as explosive as he did at Duke or in the preseason. you a few other interesting notes about his game is. You're like oh well. He can't shoot, so how's he supposed to play next to another big and their numbers were still pretty good I mean I think the issue is more kind of at that the other be gets in his way than that. He gets in the other big way because he has to be guarded. Yeah, he's not going to shoot a three pointer, but in spite of situations if you don't have someone in front of him, and he gets a head of steam like you're not gonna be able to stop him so. This is an example in spot up situations. Usually you think of that as taking a jumper, but synergy also logs when you catch the ball off a spot in the new drive Zion had forty possessions in spot of situations, any only shot a jumper on six of those, so he's catching the ball and going right hard to the basket is not on him, and so that is really another aspect of his game. Oh! Which is good I? Mean I think we probably should discuss his defense now. Yeah, other than it seems like some some shooting luck that led to him being a positive in defensive. RPM The. There's a lot of room. Let's say to grow Zion's instincts. You know his reactions are aren't great in his room projection. Is there so the idea of him being a plus I mean offensively. You'd love for him to be your center. Because then you have shooting around him and that would just be a devastating. Devastating attack, but defensively as of right now he can't carry that load. We don't know if you ever will just about a half. A block per thirty six minutes into remembering college, who's getting wiped to blocks again right? Getting two blocks, and two steals gaming college, and some of it was also like his defensive rebounding numbers. Just fourteen percent of opponent misses that a little bit. Is You know playing with the center? But also you'd like to see. The pelicans do better defensively on the glass when? When he's on the floor because you think that that would be a natural inclination, especially, when's in the fourth? What I'd like to see him? Evolve as a grabbing great what we'll hit on some of the things that you can really improve on, but I mean I think number one is just overall the conditioning and he's just not playing hard enough defensively. You're not seeing nearly as many of the effort plays as you saw at Duke defensively. I always thought that his ability to slightest was little overrated. overrated by some analysts and his ability to just make your nuts and bolts rim protection. Get your chest on the guy. Pre rotate. DETER THE ATTACKS YO! He can come over for a week. SI- block a lot in college has really done that as you mentioned it at the level, so I wanna see how he looks when he's really back in shape but you know the Defense Vincent out there and just deconditioning just was not playing hard enough defensively, so that's one thing that really needs. To work on anything else that you see is kind of low hanging fruit for his game strangely enough. I mean it per the synergy splits. He was less effective as a transition score than you would expect. I mean one point two points per possession. Is it terrible? But what do you think about the fact? Basically, no one can stop Zion and maybe turning the ball over a little bit less will help, and I, getting used to the NBA will will will change that a little bit for Zayn member. Nineteen Games played in a little bit in the preseason and Teensy. teensy bit, and similarly before the earthquake and I think that he eat okay. I think that there there's growth in terms of turnover rate just keeping a little bit, and I think he can do more a when teams start fixating on him. I. Think that's I will have some potential as a passer you know I don't think he's ever going to be like a crazy leap passer, but being able to. He keeps his head up well enough to be able to find guys. When there's extra attention thrown his wife. Yeah, I might be a little higher on it than you. With him as a passer, I do think he has pretty solid instincts and. A big part of it is that kind of set piece game. Who Were I think? That's where you could take some forward of particularly as a ball handler in pick and roll against smaller players where you have a small like Jj Ruddick, setting the screen for him, and then they switch it. He can just put that guy in the goal or just you you you might want. You might go under on him. You'd say oh, because you know. He's not gonNA take the jumper, but he's so fast. He's going to beat you to the other. Other side of the screen anyway and get a shoulder by you. Draw the follow or get to the bugs, so that's one that I'd like to see him us more. And the grabbing go game defensive rebounding, I'd like to see more of and the right hand was pretty much nonexistent for him, except when he gets out for in transition for big dunks with no one around him, and he didn't need that right hand, but as you mentioned against the like Sixers Lakers box we in play the sixers, but we saw those teams slow him. Him Down a little bit, and make him less efficient and Jaanus Brook. Lopez really gave him problems in a big part of that was just you know he's incredibly because whatever stops him? He should be aggressive, but I was worried that they just weren't going to or that. He didn't have the craft to finish. He has great touch, but it just using his shoulder a little bit better against the absolute biggest guys, but those guys. He's going to have to beat if he wants to be on a championship contending team but yeah, I mean. Mean I think defensively is the the biggest thing for him, and if you can get to the point where you can play him as a small ball center at all defensively and actually stop people in your other teams are just GonNa have no chance against him so obviously a very impressive debut, and we've heard that he is getting tested regularly for Corona virus and of recording this a couple of days early, but hopefully he will be back in time for the start of the season. WHO's up next year? If the pulse Lonzo Ball Lonzo Ball. Played the most minutes he has in an NBA season pre hiatus because of his injuries, the first two years average twenty four points, seven assists and six point two rebounds in thirty two minutes, a game started forty seven of the fifty six games. He appeared in ball, had a thirteen seven p. e. r. fifty-three percent shooting on about nineteen usage in he had a huge jump in true shooting was forty nine percent last year and forty four percent as a rookie, the synergies between he and side Williamson are myriad and he. They have the highest number of assists per minute Lonzo. Lonzo to Williamson as a duo in the NBA and those guys like the way that Williams lights just sneak behind the defense for Alley. oops in that is just a candy for Lonzo Ball. Lonzo pushes it in transition. The hit ahead passes. So those guys were great together and the big thing, though is the way he's shooting the three pointer. He's not passing up anymore, and the form is so much better than Fred Vinson who worked twelve. Brandon Ingram going back to quiz pond. Dexter years before that I think really helped him. He doesn't shoot it as much off. His left hip I was watching one of the exhibition games here before the Games Start and you know he's actually stepped into a three pointer going to his right his old form. You couldn't really do that at all, but that said he still is pretty powerless once he dribbles the ball inside the Arkansas. He just has a straight line to go right to the basket so and I. Don't know that he's to be able to prove that, but on this team with. With all the threats they have now I don't think you really needs to yeah. I think that's a fair distinction to make and something that I found interesting, not all surprising, but interesting is Lonzo's disparity as a pick and roll score, and as a pick and roll passer. So this is a split that synergy has the Pelicans scored point five nine points per possession when Lonzo was was trying to score the twelfth percentile in almost double that one point one six points. points per possession when he passed, which was seventy fifth percentile, and that's the combination I mean. You can't separate the two because I. Actually in some ways is impressive that he's that efficient as a passer teams don't have to respect Mrs Score, but when you combine that with some of the defensive tools he hasn't of course wants his ability to press the ball in transition. He becomes an interesting player to have in your mix now whether the Pelicans are ready to move. Move on from holiday or some of the other stuff to just say Okay Zion. Sorry Lonzo for you are you're the guy who's going to have the ball in their hands, the initiator even in half court situations. I don't think they're there yet, but he can be a part of the solution. And that is something I was less confident. In part of that is because this year once made forty percent of his catching shoot threes per game taking more of them than. Than last year when that was thirty two percents as a Laker his second year woman that hasn't gone up, though is the free throws I. Mean I guess it's not below fifty percent anymore, but only sixty seven free throws in fifty six games, and that's really rough and shot fifty seven percent. He was hitting more early, but again the sample size was so small. You couldn't really take that to the bank and two point percentage still forty five percent. I mean that's. That's an he is not a great finisher. He doesn't seek contact me part of the problem with not getting to the foul line. Is that your percentage around the rim is going to be so much worse right instead of those bad shots when you're contested at the rim turning into fouls a lot of the time you're just missing. A minute kills your field goal percentage so that that's a major problem for him to be sure, but I mean he's just largely going. Going to be a spot up weapon, a cutter, an initiator from the top of the key who can throw some value added passes on back door, lobs and stuff like that for this team. That's all you needed me. I wouldn't mind even usage going down a bit more than it hasn't because you think of withdrew holiday brandon, Ingram and Zayn Williamson on the steering. Those are the mouths to feed at this point, so he doesn't necessarily need to have much more of. Of a role than anything else. You WanNa talk about UNIM- defensively I think he was solid. You'll maybe not quite as much of a difference maker as he looks like in his Lakers stays but you know still certainly a quality defensive player to be sure. I mean one point sixty dollars per thirty six minutes, capable rebounder for his position and one's a ball. We've talked about this with muscle. Westbrook before Lonzo ball grabbing rebounds, thing for because then Lonzo ball has. Has the ball to initiate initiate transition so yeah, and he does really help them. Push in transition lot especially with those hit ahead passes. That's an important part of his game. Yeah, so I think for Development Score. I'M GONNA give. Oh, I'm going to give him a seven and you could make an argument for an eight, but I wanted to see more development of him a kind of in some of those scoring past season. It seems like he's settling into a role. Role but settling into a role doesn't necessarily mean huge development at least in terms of his game. Yeah, and I do I I I agree. I think a seven just with the shooting the surgery that he's done his jump shot. I mean that was what was really neat I. Mean we thought? Is this guy just knocked meal to hit a shot? And now I have some pretty good competences that he's going to be a decent enough. Sure this researching still a little. Little worrisome, but getting up to that thirty eight percent or three in particularly before the hiatus he was really hitting well. and I think having signed with them, really helped his game in a number of facets, but it's just inside. The arche just seems to have almost like a mental block like just with the way he brings the ball up like today. He was just wide open for a lamp as I was watching the exhibition game, and just like shanked it. It off the backboard because he kinda like brought the ball up like the same whether he does when he's shooting a jump shot around the rooms, so he just doesn't have that craft that feel for finishing at the basket. No floater game, no real pull up game, and so I think it's going to be difficult for him to get much better in terms of adding new skills now that the jumper is better, but I think he just as long as he continues. Continues to refine what he has. 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He had the kind of season I expected seven and a half points, four rebounds, and seventeen minutes per game ended up about a thousand minutes played twelve starts sixty percent shooting on fifteen usage and lake, many a jumping jacks center before him including Mitchell Robinson. He does that by shooting. Jackson Hayes eighty-three percent of his shots in the restricted area made seventy four percent of them. That's going to be efficient and there is hope that. That he may develop a jumper in time. We saw a little bit more of that in some league. That clearly is not going to be a major part of his game right now. He's only sixty three percent from the line. Only took twenty jump shots. All season was not effective on those I didn't think that this would be a reason why he wouldn't be. A good fit was ion, but neither of them can get a defensive rebound. Yeah, that's. Yeah. and Ingram's not really a great defensive rebounder either I hoped he would have a little bit higher of a block percentage. You'd hope he could get up to that kind of Michelle Robinson territory and certainly. Two blocks for thirty six. That's up in these that, but it's also not like these kind of raw shot blockers. They're really going to be defensive difference makers. You'll see a little bit more. Think those kind of the Oprah, but he's. You know he's a football player. For while also see now some maturity issues as the. He told the NBA suck. Dick on instagram. During the what he didn't make the fucking all rookie team, maybe my or the scars. Ever, be. Were game well. We know why agents are always lobbying people that he should make it be or that these guys should. Care about the ship, but the the the that was that was pretty ridiculous of a also ridiculous Jackson. Hayes is foul rate five point four fouls for thirty six minutes. You might remember US lamenting Jaren Jackson. Juniors foul rate last time around the same level and Jackson Hey doesn't have the same tools that journ does, and I think that there is a lot of room for him to grow on that end I I've said before that elite defensive players, especially centers often show some signs early, and it didn't see those risk, but he can. Can Get to the point where he's average or above average with his physical tools. Yeah, absolutely I, mean those are are myriad and particularly if he gets the ball in space on the pick and roll it does that pretty good hands like watch out you better like cover your head because he's GonNa come in and Dunkin. You particularly off a one footy covers so much ground. You know his finishing on layups Zach. Great. He's gotta get way stronger in the post. He's GonNa. Get run over. That's a lot of his. You're against posts upsetters. Also as the screener he needs skip better needs to get more physical. Avoid Falling A, and it's rotating in terms of just getting his chest on guys verticality where he could be incredibly effective with his foot, speed and leaping ability in length, but it was not effective there I mean you saw what a huge difference it made for this policy. Dirk bears was built, and nobody thought that Hayes was going to be ready this year, but project plus questionable fit for Zion I. I mean I. Think that he's like a bad player. Maybe could be a starting center. You know he's got the tools for that certainly, but I'm just using that type of a resource on him. I still question it to some degree I. mean the number one thing I'm gonNA. Be Watching for him over the next year or two. Is that Fowleri if he's able to stop filing and just be more of a an effective help, defender and verticality guide that's going to be the key swing skill for him going forward. In figuring out how it's GonNa work when he plays design in terms of spacing because. As you said Jackson's only took twenty jump shots all season. If Zion is involved in those actions, you want every other player out of the paint just to give Zayn more room to work, and so as being defended by a big guy whether it's a four or five, depending on whether handling was Zion will would open up. The four can get people to respect anything other than sending in the jumper dumped. Josh Hearts Age Twenty four CS. I still really like a ten points six and a half rebounds about twenty seven minutes per game came off the bench more often than he started. Heart had fifty six percent shooting just fifteen usage this year in his thirty four percent on seven and a half threes, thirty six minutes that was the highest frequency of shots, a threes in his career, but also lower percentage than that ricky array hit a ton of missile acre, sixty eight percent, so about two thirds of Josh. Hearts field goal attempts. Attempts were from three, and so some of that is good, because if you take you get threes. That's generally going to be a higher value shot than what you get, but another part of that is that heart has just he's just doesn't get to the line and doesn't get to the basket very often. He didn't make sixty nine percent of his respect shots, but only twenty one percent of his attempts. Yeah, he actually is a really good finisher, and when he gets there right absolutely and in transition as well I mean he's. He's he's kind of similar to teammate. jrue holiday in that he's a pretty physical strong finish. goes into guys bodies, but he doesn't really accentuate contact very well, so he doesn't get to the line as much as you'd expect, but he also just like goes right through. Guys hangs in the air finishes knocks him backwards, so look at you'd like to see him Oh more effective as the driver so the second unit that didn't have as much spacing as you would hope of, but as soon they had all the injuries early. Early, he's actually play a lot of the four for this team and that's that's part of why heart had a defensive rebound rate over twenty one percent this year. Yeah, that's a great point and you know. I think he I still like him as a potential three indeed starter. He's his foot. Speed is a little bit questionable, but he also has good length and strength, so may maybe a little better guarding bigger players, but he still doesn't quite have the size to check you know. You're Leonard Types a few, do obviously. The other thing that there had been some hope for where any and there's a lot of perimeter mouths to feed on this team so surprised, but particularly in summer league shown the ability to shoot three off the dribble in pick and roll, and that's something that is really dried up for him twelve out of forty seven on jumpers off the dribble when he did run pick and roll. It was generally a jumper off the dribble again. He's not a distributor at also you know if he. He does do some pick and roll it more get him with the advantage going downhill as you swing it to the weak side type of stuff. You know he's not going to be a a huge initiator. anything else that popped out about his season I mean I think the three point shooting you know he's been in the thirty four percent range up to that toward rookie year of the as you mentioned, he did up the attempt rate so I'm a I'm worried he's going to. To be more of a thirty five percent, a forty percent guy from three so that that makes me a little bit lower on him, and he's never been a great free throw. Shooter has been in the seventy percent range most of his crew. That might be what he is not you know just some awesome three point shooting option, but you know a guy who's going to be in the NBA is GonNa have a ten year career you know, is he? GonNa be a starting shooting guard. Guard. You know I think. There is some hope that he would get there, but I think he really developed that much this season. It wasn't wasn't a bad player, but you've probably four for development. I would say I was thinking a five just because he's still getting better defensively, but you're right that there isn't as much as we kind of thought you can go back to some really. Vp Josh Heart thinking that there could be something more there, but I think that him being that lower. Lower usage player seems like a totally reasonable use on this Pelicans really on any good team just because they're going to be other players who are better with the ball in their hands, the Josh Heart. Let's go to kill Alexander Walker dunked on darling at moments in time, one of my favorites, going back to Adidas stations in whatever the hell years that was in two, thousand, sixteen and Seventeenth, overall pick this past year is twenty one season and had some had some flashes both in. In Summer League and preseason, and then you know not as much during the season as you'd expect with the raw young guy. Five points in twelve minutes per game played five hundred minutes overrun season Keel had a seven point, six PR and a rough forty four percent shooting on twenty three percent usage, and we'll talk about why right now yeah the two partners were? She's thirty four percent. Oh, terrible on voters, absolutely never gets to the foul line, and shot only forty six percent in. In the restricted area now it is important to remember what his role was four a lot of the season when he did play started in the rotation. Remember gentry was doing you know like twelve man rotation at the start of the year, even with Diane Out, and despite that they were putting him as really the only guy who could dribble on the second unit, and so that's how you end up with twenty three percent usage in forty four percent shooting. He'd had a wonderful summer. Summer League. He'd had a wonderful preseason, so maybe they thought that he could thrive in that role that still seemed to make him the your number. One Guy Right out of the gate as the number seventeen put pick, it seemed like a it was a bit much, and it was for him. you know he still loves to swing? These lefty and righty hooked passes out a pick and roll. He can be a spectacular passer at time he can get some step back threes on occasion. As well. You Know I. Think he worked on getting stronger worked on his finishing a lot during the hiatus in the exhibition game. I watched it against Brooklyn. You know he gotTa Calabre close to the same guy that he did slow down. Get a little stronger for a couple of finishes on occasion very thirsty shooter, of course the in that game against. Brooklyn, so that that hasn't changed too much and defensively you know I think he still can be. A playmaker needs to get stronger there as well to fulfil. We thought of him as a Danny Green type early on in his crease it. Into a ball handler I. Think to get time early on here. You might want to focus more on those Danny Green type of things. It'd be a little more opportunistic, but he's still is playing largely as he was again in that scrimmage against Brooklyn as a guy that they expect to have the ball and I think there's enough raw tools there that. That I think something can come of that, but he's not quite explosive enough to wear like Oh. This guy's going to be a big star so I. I really like watching him play still I'm still optimistic about his few driving. He's going to be a assault player in the league for a while, but now that two point percentages major pro and David. David Griffin as fairly easy salt here, which is Nikki allow gender. Walker can guard two's play a one next to him. And you know maybe somebody who can function a little bit more off ball than than some of the ones that are out there, but that would help a lot and I brought up the disparity between Lonzo ball as a pick and roll scorer, and as a pick and roll passer remarkably Nicole Alexander. Walker has a disparity than his teammate. He he's only scoring point six seven point possession as a score, but did the Pelicans score one point three one when he passes now small sample size obviously when the Keel he's, he only ran one hundred eighty pick and rolls as synergy. Synergy counts at for those passes plus the plus the turnovers and the points, but still you know there there is something there and with, and with the Keel the catch and shoot shots already. His mechanics are totally fine, so if they let him kind of work on that stuff, not in games count because they want to be a playoff team next year. I think that they could eventually bear fruit when he's like twenty three twenty four, but I worry a little bit about trash, linking this up a little bit and putting too much on the shoulders when they actually have expectation. Colonel. Williams ended up playing seven hundred eighty minutes despite the fact that he really didn't play after January with A. A back injury that was somewhat nebulous that he's back now playing in the exhibition games, but really a a your where it looked like he could potentially sees a rotation spot as a backup four, but the shooting just did not come around room in the slightest now. Unfortunately, Williams shot thirty percent in college and sixty three percent free throw shooter that sperry little little note there, but only twenty six percent on four point four three thirty six minutes that was both a lower percentage and lower attempt rate than his rookie season, and that's why I can will inside a forty three percent true shooting on just nine point, two usage this year and nine out of twenty four from the lying. Yes, I! took two thirds of his shots as three pointers, and you mentioned that he just couldn't hit anything out there and you know he's not quite athletic enough to make up for not being a good Sherman that the comparison is a journey Dudley type, but jared Dudley has been shooting close to forty percent from three a lot of years in in his career, and Williams went backwards in that regard and defensively. He's you know not a combo forward. Who has quick enough feet or enough athleticism to really check the other guys? Maybe you know, he can switch a little bit in a pinch is. Is kind of the hope for him, and he is smart player. He plays hard outstanding outstanding rebounder. I really enjoy watching him. Get on the glass in particular that but I'd like to see more help instincts from him as well and I mean really as much as I. He was a good story last year. Good find did well did not take two way and get an NBA contract. E was not playing. We're close level rotation player this year, so and you probably gotta give him to in terms of his development rating especially at eight twenty five. You'd hope that there could be more. More of a support, so he's going to need to shoot the ball to have more than a than a fringe career. You know he's a good kid smart player. If that can come around your think you can hang around for a while, but that's the cynic went on for him, and he is one of two Pelicans that I think are restricted and could really get squeezed by Margaret Brennan Nigger. Mosley won't and the other one is Frank Jackson Jackson had really an injury plagued tenure overall with the Pelicans though he did play six hundred fifty six minutes pre hiatus in his age twenty. Twenty one season averaged five and a half points about insist Perth per game in thirteen minutes Jackson seven point seven P, fifty percent shooting on about twenty percent usage, and we've heard that we've heard the story a couple times for different PELICANS respectable, but not great thirty three percent on threes, but only forty four percent onto pointers, yeah, and took some bad shots fifty one percent of the restricted area. That's you'd hope he can do better there, but the lack of experience from the injuries. That is definitely a problem. He certainly has NBA athleticism. It's not really have point guard, vision and. He is kind of Alvin. Gentry was playing this rotation roulette I think Jackson was in some lineups to that were a little under talented, somewhat by necessity with all the injuries early on as they had that thirteen game, losing streak, and there six and twenty two, and he kind of had play a but way too high usage for this player type I think the future for him is to lock in more defensively where. where he has tools, but we didn't really see him as as a quality option there and then to play next to a ball, dominant wing, who can really distribute a be a kind of a three d point guard, you know I mean really Patrick Beverley to me is the type of guy. He should be modeling his game after a little bit more, but you know Patrick Beverley playing heart is a skill, not many. Many people can play with the level of intensity that he provides all the time, but that sort of player is high think he's going to have a career. I think that ship has sailed as far as him being a real offensive creator, and but he does have shooting ability does have lettuces, and so I think he could evolve into that, but he's GonNa have embrace that role. He is, and it can be hard. Hard to to find his way between now and then I think Jackson will get chances, but it is always point guards, who the best thing to do is not running offense. It can be a real. Some real growing pains there and I don't really want to give him a development score because of the injury, but it did better this year than I anticipated I'm a little lower than you are. Yes, season, go Jackson. Actually played more last year. I think we were Kinda it. It was forgettable because we'd kind of tuned out of the Pelicans also became because he missed his rookie year right? Yeah, yeah, but I I in my mind I was Kinda conflating the rookie year with? But statistically a really no improvement on took a step backwards so I. Probably have to give them like a three. Maybe even a two of I mean just every single stat is worse just about other than his free throw rate. We talk very quickly about the rockets I think that what they have. Three candidates, and those players are typified by the fact that two of the three candidates are two guys and one of them has already basically said he's not coming back, and they released him from his contract, so he could go play in France so that they got Chris Clements and his good player, he lit up legal twenty four points, and six assists in the G. League, fifty nine percent, shooting, twenty eight percent usage, and then pass the ball reasonably while also twelve point. Point. Four threes for thirty six. which you know, I, mean real. GRANDBA- values been at the forefront of that for some time, nick nurse to be the coach there, for example of, but you know either way undersized gunner, but he does have that off the dribble shooting and the problem is that the big club doesn't really need. His skill set accepted. Mop Up duty right now so he might be able to carve out more of a role on a team like say the magic that just need someone to sop up some shots off the dribble and has defenders around him, but a Houston, obviously with Russ. James Harden is not in need of that then God. skillset I mean the guy who would have been the deployment. We talked about the MOISTURIZER Hartenstein they cut it. No one flavors, so oh, yes, of course the that head typifies even more yet to two of the four young guys aren't even on the team anymore. And then they got Michael Frazier still your three guy out of Florida and he strode developed the three part of his game. Is he going to keep an eye on? You know, be only played sixty six minutes with the big club, so let's move on to San Antonio so we. We had a little bit of discussion about whether devante Murray. Because Dante Me Sorta Paralleling Ben Simmons to an extent. He is in his fourth. The fourth year designs is already gotten his extension, but he didn't play for one full season. So this is his third season of playing. We decide to talk about him because we also think Bruce Really interesting age twenty three season averaged eleven, points, six rebounds, and four assists in twenty five minutes per game started fifty fifty games. Murray had a seventeen PR fifty four percent shooting about twenty percent usage, and that was a career, high and true shooting and NPR helped by thirty percent on Justin here. Here. We go again. If you've heard this story before thirty percent, but only two point two threes for thirty six minutes. You only took ninety. Three's in about fifteen hundred minutes played. Yeah, now. That actually is a major step forward. Yes, for him. And he started to get to the point late in the season, where he'd at least take more off the catch, but you know we're looking at essentially one catch and shoot shot for game, and then off the dribble. He did not take a three pointer off the dribble in pick and roll all year, according to synergy arm started out making a three. Three pointer off the drill and picking your role all year, according to synergy or some of the other stats that stood out to you about him. A more than one third of Murray's shot attempts were from ten feet to three point line of basically you could say two point jumpers, but he made forty percent forty seven percent. Sorry, his long Twos, Perko which seventy th percentile, that is a big part of why Murray had about league averaged shooting. I'm not entirely confident that that will continue especially when you consider the it could, but I'm not. I'm not confident that it will just you I? I feel a little better about I mean. Obviously, that's a really high number. It might drop I feel confident that he's going to be an effective mid range shooter like that's something that he was. He was more comfortable that I mean I remember his second year when I would watch him work out before games he was. They didn't really have him taking threes other than just. Just like pure spot up threes from the corner. They wanted to get him really comfortable from two I i. think he's gotten to that point now. A and that does give him a little bit weapon. Are you terrified of him taking amid rancher off picker old? No probably not, but it's something that could be there. When the defense breaks down in the half court that's. That's not a terrible shot of transition has dried up so I. Feel Kate about that What about finishing this season? Marie made sixty two percent of his shots in the restricted area that was the most of his career, but is temporary was down from his last healthy season seventeen, eighteen were that was a forty one percent of the shots that he attempted and only. Only thirty two percent on floaters, so that touch in that kind of middling area still hasn't quite gotten. Maybe that can come in time. I, mean I think that it could, but I would say that an overall net improvement, but Murray only three point one free throw attempts per possessions, which actually the lowest free throw attempt of his career. Yeah, and obviously he's coming off. Off The any seal, it happened pretty early on, so he's about a year out from the surgery when he returned this year, and you mentioned sixty percent of the rooster terry like all great. He's a guard. Let's league average fine, but if you look at his finishing in the half court percentage below fifty percent at the basket, and so he gets a lot of steals he'll. He'll get out in transition. I think a lot of that. Sixty two percent was finishes the relatively uncontested in transition when he gets in having a finish among the trees and a half court situation than that number really drops to below percent. So that's something. He's got to improve and he's kind of a skinny guy. where I think he could accentuate contact a little bit. Bit More just kind of learn the tricks, but that's could do all to learn from his teammate. Marta Rosen in that regard but yet either he's gotta finish better around the Rim especially with his athleticism and size. You'd hope that he could really be a plus there. And now that wasn't necessarily the case in so what it boils down to is probably a little. Little as a passer for a point guard, and so, what is this guy's bread and butter going to be? You want to give them a little bit of a passes as first year back from the A. C. L. P. H. twenty-three season. He's on that extension now so is it is just gonNA. Be All right. We can get by with this guy offensively and the. Is Calling Card that seems more likely than not you. You never want to count out. The spurs development particularly with an athletic guy like him, but I I'm a I think it's GonNa be more like we get by with this guy offensively than he's going to be a quality creator for us, and that's what concerns me because if team can't get that from their point guard, they have to get it from somewhere else, and maybe that can be Derek whyte. We'll talk about very soon, but otherwise you have to find that player and San Antonio. Is You know presumably at some point going to be in rebuild, and it can be hard if you're looking for. For. Somebody who's not point-guard-size can log those minutes as starter next to Marie or something else and also something worth keeping another quantifying defense is really hard, but does aren't Murray's last healthy season. He was the number one guarded defensive RPM, and he was, he was an absolute force out there and the on-off metrics were pretty neutral about him defensively this year, and while this was the highest steal rate of Dijon, Maurice Career. The A lot of the on off. Things just didn't love what he didn't have the same a few surprise. Let's say than they did when he was a second player. You had, of course it's a different spurs team now. I think that. Team that seventeen eighteen team I want to say was through in defense, and they still had Danny Green and Kyle Anderson that team, a more mobile doubt. That was the year when they stunned us because Kawhi. Leonard didn't play, but they were still really good defensively. Let's turn to the aforementioned. Derek whyte now. This is why it's age. Twenty five season was a much older drafty. A couple of years ago at ten points three point four assists in twenty four minutes per game started thirteen. Thirteen of sixty one appearances, fifteen point, nine P. R. Fifty nine percent shooting on teen usage, also had one thousand nine point five percents. That's best ball references, versions that and importantly dirk white ups his free throw. It's entree to five point seven per thirty six, which is better and I pretty much fine with that being being about where he gets to, but though obviously you could expect it to improve additionally yeah, and white again you. You wonder if it were a different situation. Then the spurs whether he could shoot it more because I did think he flashed the ability to shoot more off the dribble from three every once in a while in pick and roll it as as he picket role player, the numbers really stood out as being outstanding like eightieth ninetieth percentile in a lot of the metrics that synergy tracks and part of that was due to a point per possession off the dribble and pick and roll, which still little bit unsustainable out Nobis, that level of shooter worries, really just going to be a mid range artist, but he is an. An outstanding finish her also a lot of the pick and roll that he's doing is going to that right handed advantage situation that he likes to bring the ball up the left side of the flooring. Come off a double drag screen in transition, but I think he's improved the craft of the pick and roll as well to where he's another guy who has learned to slow down and trust is strength athleticism. Once the screen has gotten the guy off of him, he can Kinda proble little bit. Take his time and get to the basket. Entrust himself as a finisher. Is, say again a little more Combo Gardy, than pure point guard he. Could find weakside shooters using his size every once in a while and then the other thing I think he really needs to work on is the left hand finishing at the rim particularly if they don't let him get to his right hand in pick and roll, if it gets directed towards the left baseline, he's bringing the ball right back into the defense that that's the one time you'd struggle as a finisher and then defensively yeah i. he established himself as equality option there as a Combo Latouche small to guard forwards on any other numbers that took out. Out to we wondered what might would be as a creator, and what are the reasons we still have to wonder about that is that he plays a lot with patty mills about sixty percent of whites. Minutes came with with meals on the floor. Mills is going to be that lead. Guy And weight has an similar assist percentage with and without Patty Mills, but the offensive rating drops a to about a hundred and four points per hundred possessions. When white place without mills that includes very very small amendments. Minutes with John but I think they adjust started playing together. A bit APPs, the trade deadline, but now not very much and so with white. Yeah, he. He doesn't have like a terrible skill set to be an to be an off ball to be an off ball. Secondary Craters Kinda the term that I would use for that and wait a six foot four, so an incredibly guard two's, but that player just isn't as enticing in the League you know there isn't. There isn't as much there as some of the like. Even going back to that game when you went crazy against Denver in the twenty one thousand nine playoffs, and it's there's still some potential for that new wonder in a different ecosystem would it could be but remember that white plays in a more favourable ecosystem within the spurs in some ways the Meritas because that second unit is a little bit more structured at a little bit less to Rosini so that he derek whyte. From that yeah, they got Belleli. Mills would be out there a lot. You know they'd go. Rudy Gay at the four, so yeah. No I think that's an important point to make the context in which is operating, so you'll get. I think he could be a semi capable starter either guard position is certainly a third guard can be a a nice long career. Do I see stardom in his future. You know that that's really a tough to say again. I'd give them a five for its development and I think people were going Lou crazy on him and you know. He had that big game against Denver basically because they were just letting him get to the basket and. They weren't really guarding in the right way. They're trying to close out. Driving by guys in Yokich and company donated Greek reproduction. He's a good finisher so I think expectations were too high. You know some people might be kind of disappointed but I think he's GonNa Right on track for what he was supposed to be this year Lani Walker Explosive Guard out of Miami. This age twenty one season, and you know just a lot of the usual hallmark of these young athletic guards there. There tough to projects, the times some good, which is more kind of watching him you see the wild plays some bad, which is the statistical right I mean fifty two percent shooting on eighteen usage isn't phenomenal. I mean for a twenty one year old guard who still figuring it out? It's not terrible, but forty-one percent on just three point three three pointers thirty six. That's okay. Seventy one three pointers Epson with Biggs Club this year. They're almost all system. You'd expect that with Walker. Walker as a three point shooter, and then, but the the big concern, there is hallmark of the two teams who spent a lot of time on here. Struggling from two-point range Walker did go up from a small sample size, three three percent on twos last year up to forty four percent, but forty four percent still lives in great fifty percent makes in the restricted area and just thirty percent on floors. Yeah, low free throw rate as well the two point, five basic thirty-six getting. Getting one the game and as a spot up shooter, you mentioned. The numbers are really good, but not high volume, and it's a tough fit between Derek whyte and Murray and Walker not to mention derozen as well with this group and Walker I think a lot of times. He was just filling in when guys were injured. You know there wasn't really a great plan to use him as just right. Someone's injured so you? You fill in Lonnie and so he has shooting. You know. He likes his jump shots off the dribble. know really athletic, especially getting that right, hang out for some big dog. Some nice transition dogs, even some alley. oops, but you know you mentioned the below average. Finishing in the end Spurs. Don't have the greatest space in the world at times, so I mean you watch him and you're like man, this guy. Has Some physical tools. He can handle the ball, a little bitty kind of shifty in some shooting potential, but he's a long way all. It's the Spurs. Mentally give a boost to any spurs player I. think that we might be nearing the end of that credit for them. At this point to the give guy a higher assumed trajectory just because he's on the Spurs, so I'm there. He's definitely someone to track. He's got a lot of raw ability, but I don't want to overstate what is capabilities are at this. This certainly was not a player who's contributing to winning in the nineteen twenty season. Yeah, and he was negative on both ends in RPM, slight positive on defense in p. m. and there's absolutely a chance that lani Walker becomes productive players even think there's a chance to becomes starter, but there are a lot of NBA caliber, even elite athletes that don't get all. All the way there to become overall positive players with Walker I just don't know and I think there are times where it's important to admit that where I can't. I can't necessarily put him in. Put them in a box, but at a certain point the spurs are going to have to figure it out there because the rotation will clarify, we just don't know. Know exactly when that's going to be as the defender. He has really good tool I think when he really sits down and slides. He can do a good job of getting in front of guys, but needs to up his overall intensity as technique, particularly particularly guarding pick and roll. You know he's not great at directing the ball where the system tells them to. To Go and pick and roll if you're some kind of a an ice coverage or a week coverage, he's not getting into the ball handler and say no. You are only able to go this way. There's a lot of plays where the offensive players able to get middle when they're clearly in a coverage that's trying to force him. Baseline an easy young player. Player Guinea had very little experience last year. He's been as always had the ball. This is we been such a common theme. Here of guys need to learn how to play a role particular defensively particularly a spot up shooters in the NBA with these young guards, and he's someone like that, but there's GonNa. Be a player watch I'm looking forward to seeing what? What he does in the seating games, the spurs had two picks in the second half of the second round of the two thousand nineteen draft, and both of them spent most of their time in Austin with the G. League team. We could start with Luca Sandwich who averaged fifteen and eight in twenty nine minutes per game down there fifty fifty-six percent twelve minutes. Minutes all year by the way for the quote. Yes, in case you're wondering fifty six percent shooting on twenty-five percent usage PUTT, eighteen point six percent turnover rate. Yeah, and that is just enormous now. They're giving him some leash to explore the studio space. but I mean we're talking about three turnovers a game in twenty eight minutes a game I mean for. A Guy. WHO's you know? He's playing the four and he's given some licensed. Do stuff off the dribble. He has an intriguing and versatile skillset, although the concern when he was drafted in the continues that he doesn't necessarily have a bread and butter to go to you know. I mean there are some kind of thought of him as like Little Dario Shara cheesy, but he doesn't have that level of toughness or passing ability. You know you actually only had forty. Three assists all year in the G. League, which is not a good number at all. I mean that the assistant turnover ratio was not particularly good for him. Thirty one percent from three. The jumper looks fine. He shoots a a set shot. He's pretty aggressive. Take deep through the likes. Those trail threes in transition in particular He also really likes grabbing going, but he just turned it over a tiny did number times that either just like got his pocket picked off the dribble some of his terrorists like he's just stepping out of bounds on the sideline as he's trying to drive or traveling before he puts the ball down he is really an atrocious finisher for. For a size that in the G. League, sixty seven out of one, thirty, six below fifty percent around the rim in the half court at the G. League level, which is known for having a lot of size, but the part of the reason those are so bad is it may not be count as turnover, but it's count is Amiss when he brings the ball down around the Rim Ladas drives. He's too slow. Guys are able to stick in and knocking away not able to find open guys on those plays. It seems like they kind of wanted to develop him into a Boris diaw type of mold, but he's not that low passer and I mean even Boris diaw when he was fat, was much better athlete than US particularly. The athleticism is my real concern sevenish. Because yeah there. You have to have so much craft singing over that and we just haven't seen any early stages. There I mean going back to be summoned hoops summit and it's like. Hey, he's an intriguing player. Kenny Kenny, stick it. It against some of the best athletes in the world and I'm I'm still not there yet. Now twenty year old, not GonNa not gonna go crazy, and he was the nineteen fact, but again like I mean I'd rather take some Lani Walker chances than some some chances for me. Yeah, I, think so and a few other things you mentioned that the athleticism e just it be gets going towards the basket unopposed. He could get up for a dunk off of one foot, but zero two foot. are a big part of his finishing problems as well because he really feels like you have to kind of gather up, and he also would try to get into the post lot again. The you know, he does a lot of different things, and he got pretty good sized six ten or so, but you're none of the stuff that he was doing in that versatility, releasing to work a lot, and the post is one thing where he's twenty two out of sixty in the post, and turn it over on seventeen of his possessions. Somehow he would shut under fifty percent on put backs this year. So he really just cannot get off the ground at all around the bathroom. Remember g leaks. This isn't against like NBA. Right, no, I mean that's the key right I mean. How many guys his size are there in the G. League? There's not that many who have a ton of athleticism, and then defensively sliding his feet, protecting the rim. I it's It's not going to be a plus for him in all likelihood, so this is a really tough start. I mean there's no twenty five fifty six percent shooting, and you're like. Hey, well. That's weird. twenty-five percent usage average. Average shooting, but only a twelve hundred six PR well. Yeah, that's because he turns the over all the time, and there is a thought of hey, young players. They're trying to explore things. The turn of raking come down. They can be a lot better, but I'm just especially with the defense of limitations. If this were the spurs from five years ago, and he were a better passer, I'd Kinda. Start to feel a little bit more, but I think it. It by prediction right now is that he's not really going to have much of a crew. There's just so many ways that he needs to get a lot better than he is by contrast though I thought Sheldon Johnson is someone that I always lead I surprised. He fell to number twenty nine that pick that guy in the Leonard deal from Toronto, but I thought he showed some things including looking a little better in some time with the. The Spurs right as the season was ending, but spent most of the time it often yeah, he did so H. Twenty season for Johnson averaged twenty six and thirty minutes per game in Austin. Obviously, he played ninety two total in San Antonio so less than thirty minutes per game. Johnson, sixty sixty three percent shooting on about twenty seven percent usage G. leaking ramp that up a little bit because there just aren't as many aren't as many players there. Any was Johnson sixty one percent on twos and four free throw attempts per thirty six I. Wish that was a little bit higher, but there are some things that I like about his aggressiveness, and in the shots, a need to come around, because only twenty four percent on three point seven three per thirty six minutes. Yeah, and it seems like he operated much more with the ball. Yes, at the G. League level, and he shot it reasonably while at Kentucky, it looks good. Good coming out of his hand, I think shots GonNa come right I think he's GonNa. Be Okay there and this is the might take another organization for that to happen potentially because again. It's just the way the spurs are developing these three point years. Just kind of weird and I it seems like they've staked their whole organizational philosophy on what worked for them in the eighteen nineteen season to be a great offense when they were an awesome shooting team and the only guys. You're only allowed to shoot three's shoot. Forty percent on threes for this team that everyone else's shooting in the mid range, and it seems like they're Kinda just trying to replicate that, and even their announcers will say that the guys who can shoot three's shoot threes than everyone else is encouraged, either not shoot or shoot twos or whatever so. I I didn't have a chance to dig into his film that much to see those three points, but it's a pretty low number of threes, thirty six and I've liked him as a spot of shooter. And I think as a guy who can drive a little bit on closeouts, big body, not that explosive, but he does have quick feet. I think he's got decent. Defensive intensity as I've got hope for him as a Combo forward and I don't know if he's going to be defensive playmaker because he doesn't have the lettuces them to be a factor on in help defense, but I think he could eventually turn into a stopper type with his. His strength and quick, we could just briefly touch on on travec to who went to USC and was drafted by the Spurs in twenty eighteen. He was the forty ninth pick again mostly played in Austin. Eighteen points and nine rebounds in twenty nine minutes per game did have a strong pr twenty-three about on sixty one percent shooting, twenty six percent usage, thirty percent on two point, nine threes per thirty six, and a big part of to jump was three point shooting helps, but again the volume fifty one percent on Tuesday, fifty eight percent, and he has enough of the G. League sample that we can actually kind of compare the two little bit. It just occurred to me that we probably what done maybe ten hours of podcasting now on these young players, and we're finishing with two metro and I'm just I'm having flashbacks to Vegas Summer League the sixth game of the day, the fluorescent light beating down on me. It's I've talked with four hundred people and the air conditioning is set to sixty one degrees, and it's one hundred five outside, and just like I i. don't know if I can evaluate choosy metu. He's you know maybe could be a backup center some day. If you squint hard and he gets a little stronger and maybe three point shooting, it'll be something. I, I. Think I might be out of gas here. That's totally fine. Art, that'll do it for us today and the next time you hear from us. Live NBA Games in all likelihood I always got my fingers crossed in these uncertain times, but the schedule be Thursday night. We will be talking about actual NBA Games. Count that happened can't wait.

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Hour 2: NCAA Tournament Draft

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Hour 2: NCAA Tournament Draft

"Jason jay williams. Subic the podcast. Allan hi bart scott in with jay will were presented by progressive insurance august. Join us on the goodyear hotline mba trade deadline yesterday. Forty four players were traded the most any date in the last thirty seasons. We talked about the winners in the first hour of the show jays winners. Would miami heat the bulls the clippers lou williams going to atlanta. And then we're more magic city. It's always about the wings. But i do like to pick up a blue wolfer orlando trae young together off the bench in the way. Nate mcmillan's mccutchen that team top five in the east and by the way john's did not get traded thing. Maybe he's now's thinking. I kinda like it here now so we shall see but of course when there's winners there's also losers so let's talk about the losers from the trade deadline. Shall we begin. I got one for you. Can i kick it off with this. I want you to i. It's a city north of us and i. I don't understand what's going on. So you know last year i was in los angeles at the staples center before all this stuff broke down. We were doing the clippers and before we even got to that game the game we had before. That was celtics vs lakers. And i watched jason. Tatum go off against iran. And i was like damn jayson. Tatum a guy that should be an mvp conversation jail. Jalen brown got his money right. You're like okay kimball walker. What's championship contender team. What has happened to the boston celtics. How far off how. We gone now to a team that we're talking about being in the playoff game the playoff tournament right. And everybody's saying well they got. That's how you pronounce his name for everybody out there. Forty eight talented player ogden. Nineteen points can shoot the ball well from the outside. It's just underwhelming for me. We're talking about a team. Two years it got a couple of years ago. Get to the eastern conference finals multiple times being that talented team now to team talk about playing in the play in tournament to play in tournament. Brad stevens and company. They're having coming to. Jesus like meetings and marcus smart and they still come out and they lose to the raptors the next day like i just. I don't know how far they've fallen off. And i feel like danny ainge. It is it that time like what we saw happen to the seventy sixers when darrow mortar came in and they retooled that team with doc rivers. If feels like a different seventy sixers team. Yes it does. Everything about them feels different this year. Could it be the same scenario for boston. Do we need a change in boston. Do we need somebody to come in. And give new direction for danny age. Do we need somebody who's voice. Is this no longer just kind of muffled from brad stevens perspective. I'll tell you one thing. Starting to look interesting for brad stevens indiana. You use been sitting there looking for a coach. It's like how long has brad stevens been here. Does he really have the ear the players. It almost feels like we're at that point now. I'm not saying. I'm sure you'd still but it feels like it's time to talk about that. 'cause evan forty eight does not get them over the hump moving the needle for you know so. Look at these tears. The nets are in tijuana. I think by themselves because of their talent tier to look at look at the seventy sixers. Yup look at the bucks but miami has done okay. Tier three look at what the hawks are doing. The hawks sent me a huge addition to their team. Nate mcmillan look at. What's happening with the raptors. Being that category the hornets or an category. We're talking about the hornets further advanced than we are the boston celtics with jason tatum and jaylen brown. If you look at the standings the hornets now lamelo balls injury. Notwithstanding the hornets are in fourth the knicks are in fifth. Celtics reloaded seven there in the seven ten bracket right. Now they're a mess celtics or the eighth. Yeah the heat there. One game above the pacers and the boss get boost of its their two games. Behind the celtics the bulls are right there on the rise right now as well. You gotta watch that team. So i i completely agree with you. And what daddy ages done is. He's always the smartest guy in the room. He collecting all these draft picks and it was always at into spatial. He's got all these assets he's gonna do something and now thin it went from kyrie irving trade which got everybody's attention to kemba walker all right so you bring in the guy. That's more likable evan. Like that's that's your move and they lose thais they lose some more defense in front of you want tristan thompsons. Now got to be a bigger player for you. Rob williams you've got. I don't know what to make of them. But i wonder if it's no longer a talent issue but maybe more of what's above the talent and it could it be head coach. Could it be front office. Is it time it does get stale. Bart you're still at the wall and let's see if you are going to be players in a buyout market. Does anybody wanna go there about anybody believing them because it is going to be. We'd be audrey is going to go down to miami right miami. He's with mind okay. So there goes that so they're gonna have to make got some more moves than you wanna give any as the benefited a doubt. But at this point is kinda stale. It's kind of going in the other direction. Got shaken what are you doing. All those assets and again and we're gonna start looking at. They've lost a lot of them. How about the thunder. Thunder have seventy five thirty four picks seventeen in the first seventeen in the second in the next seven years. You gotta spend that. Somehow you're not drag on every single picture not making every single pick eventually that capital. Hasta turn into something tangible. And you like. That's what happened with. The process in philly. Started to become a thing of collect draft picks. Keep losing but you'll be able to do something fantastic with it would end when because we're still waiting in philly for it to be fantastic. They had a fire everybody and hire new people. And maybe now it'll get there. I do the same thing. Oklahoma city do the same thing. You've got to spend it as much as you collect it so they you call them losers right you call them their their trade deadline lose all right. How about how about the rockets. You mean a team that once had james harden and victor depot. Here look. I think they had they had james they once had james harden chris. Paul westbrook finals. Yeah i mean three want that allow talent. i feel. It's a little bit deeper for me for the rockets right Because victor depots value has gone down in down in down in down mazing. I what miami was able to get. Victor depot for was kind of like mind boggling to a degree. Avery bradley another. I don't have it all in from avery. Bradley was another pick. It was just it was. It was problematic to a degree right. And you're wondering what the houston rockets getting returned five. Obviously now you have. John wall boogie cousins. But there's still a lot of this. Avery bradley kelly. Olynyk dante zoom right. It's they have a their retooling. They're complete rebuild mode complete retail. Move from the hardened trade. You got four. Firsts you get five swaps which means if you have a better record than the team you can swap with you can take their pick instead and if you think about the teams they just traded with highly unlikely victory will will play with you for twenty games. You got him from the pacers and you were hoping get him in that deal with the hardened it was a three team deal get them and maybe he'll sign an extension because you can be a free agent and he said i'm all set so he didn't want to stay in houston. He wanted to be a miami. He got what he wanted. So now where does the rockets go from here as the houston as the houston Depression era continues since cheating to win the world series. He is between data. Texans the astros. It's it's been right. There's a lot of pressure on the houston cougars in the ncaa tournament. I'll tell you that to carry. Let me ask you about the raptors. You have them listed as a loser. Why i will because i i thought that ended today look is not a loser but i thought messiah was going to be able to talk somebody into getting him exactly what he wanted for kyle. Lowry was a lot. Why do i one. I i might. I might do it too. Yeah i mean. I mean i'll tell you. There are a lot of teams and i i give their amaury. The miami heat a lot of credit for not biting right. Because i not saying george hill is the answer. I still would have had kyle lowry. But they seem to be in love. With theresa maxine. Some of the younger players like they're in love with them. Their names have been included in multiple trade talks and there are more has not budged on them. He does not human doc rivers. Do not want to give those young assets up so obviously i'm not with them every day. There's something that they see their where there's incredible value but there is a certain toughness so think about in order to say no to kyle lowry. Who brings toughness. Iq brings that leadership to the table of a team. That looks like they're missing now. That's the one missing link you worried about in the homecoming aspect to for him. He just show up somewhere and just look around like all right. I'll play this is like being home would be special to him. There has to be something that they see what their young talent that they don't want to let go of it right so look i'm not gonna knock. There are more because there are more. He's willing to get a trade in a heartbeat and we all know there are more we will give whatever it needs to give up in order to get that he can help them championships. Don't and so if he sees something actually have trust in the value of how they're amaury seizes player. Daryl morey is a guy that collects picks but also uses them to retrieve done. That's the one guy who does it right. And this time around though. They said they said no. And that's okay. Because i still think they are going to be a contender in the east. No doubt keyshawn. J. zubin barton on in which we're coming to you live from the port district at pier. Seventeen we are brought to you by chase. It's the sweet sixteen. We need your help. We're going to redraft the sixteen teams left. Get in line. The first four callers will get in on this draft with eight say. Espn inundate seven to nine. Three seven. Seven six for you your tummy blocking the camera showing stalling. We're still so again we're gonna you're gonna call in i four four dollars. We'll be part of the draft that we're going to do. Have the players left among the sweet sixteen and you will be picking along with us and see who picks the best team Did a good right but we will get all that. Do you own or rent your home share you and i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its geico easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com gijon. Jay williams ubi podcast march madness rolls on into the sweet sixteen. And how you doing by the way. I'm okay. I had to go to bathroom yet because i've been intimidated by to go to the bathroom. Sure how to go. I don't really know how it. Because i don't know how i'm going to buckle everything back up when it's to explain to everybody listening. So j will has a watermelon. Would you say that. It's a twenty pound watermelon. Yeah my white such as what happened so i tell my wife. I'm doing this last night. Because she's pregnant with our sons. We always laugh. Adc like our daughter's name is amelia. My son's name going to be from. Abc or zane. And so i stop it. And i sent her video. She's like the babies transverse. What is that even as. He's like the baby siwei. She should probably flip the baby to be long and like some already messing up. I'm trying to empathize doing a whole show. And i gotta tell you guys have been having hot flashes. I've been struggling right. I feel like i'm feel over here because all this crop dust and win the air is coming that way right well. It's it's right on the stomach. Acid having a coupla morning. Joe you tell me brass bed out after a long night a people in bourbon street dow but the last name but in indianapolis there is march madness. And there's a sweet sixteen and we thought it'd be fun to put together a draft. We're going to draft left in the tournament and you're going to be part of it. We have callers lined up to join us so we'll do in a snake draft. We've had a lottery and of course because he wins all the time. Bart scott has the first pick. How'd you get the first pace life. We can pay to get the first pick. Y'all prices right. You went low. He went hide. I was stuck in. Never the top pick. Never i'll take one o. One dollar bob make you pick we got with the first pick of the sweet sixteen teams who you take it only given zacks. I'm all right. I'm next on the board. my pick will be alabama. Oh aggressive okay with the third pick in the cage as e draft. Jay wills going with the baylor bears go. We have jacob in wisconsin your pick. I'm coming into the dark horse. The gay and i gotta go syracuse over going with the us. Hide off the board. So that's right now. He draft so we go back to a caller so we got richard in dallas. Make your pick state. Pick for two callers. I liked that dammit. Callers you guys get picks value. Excel all right. The march madness tournament draft of the sweet sixteen continues on k. j. z. Espn radio j. Will you're up. I'm going with the fighting. Musselman's arkansas go with arkansas. Shouldn't have done that yet. But arkansas late man. You handed the card off to the commissioner. hug him. okay. That's all right my turn up next game. Tough getting the weeds. They know what they're doing is for you key. Usc the backed respect. That's a good pick all right up. Next bart scott get kicked out of detroit. If i don't go with big blue come on. let's go there. It is michigan michigan off the board. You're really you really picking out a box number one part on the snake draft. You go again. I'll tell you. What man i gotta go with one of the little guys man. My older sister j sister. Mary sister jean thinking this. You called her about it right. This time mary. gene gene can by mary. Jane and jean at the same time gene. I'm up next and you know what the city needs it. The city needs it right now. They need you cougars. Houston houston we call you. Howson here in new york. That's who i'm taking okay. all right. j. will jay was up next. I'm going to go here. I go out of the south man. All the good ones are on. I see one on now. I'll go. I'll just to go against. We're gonna have him on the show today. Mick cronin i'll go. Ucla a really go. Ucla ucla ucla. It's an interesting pick by their value. Considering who is still on the board all right caller go to mike in cincinnati. Mike what you pick man. You guys got all the good teams looking. Ed value picks mike and the value picks get in there. No no no. I'm gonna have to go with lsu to upset michigan since. I'm in ohio. I just can't go for that team well. Fsu florida city lsu. Didn't make it out second round right. Took on co come on penalize the caller. I think we penalize to call. Do we get the pick for the call or no. No i think. I think or your state space bounce back mike penalty by the way the twelve seed or we snake roberts in the next caller mike in connecticut. What's the pick mike. I'm gonna go with Villanova asleep brought. I was hoping that one would slip through. All right. off the board down the colours got syracuse florida state. Yoke oregon state and nova okay. That's a pretty bad j they could. They could With the final. The fact march madness game the first pick redraft talk about another j will selects all go with a guy. Paul mills over at oral roberts leading scorer in the nation. See if they can keep the girard guard. Let's go well. There's only two teams dick and you know what you've been taught it's gonna give you the plantations no i. I wanted to know you got the while another. You take the plantation. No no. that's fine piggies. Data jesse jackson jesse jackson born happily takes creighton with this. Oh i didn't greg mcdermott out. You're you're opting out today. Works so gimme a corn break so all right so jay get him and give them a lot more than net so jay. Give me your team. Jay real quick so i i got the baylor bears arkansas. Ucla an oral roberts. You've you've got a good squad feel good about that one. I feel good about your your four. Three zagre got michigan lila see. That's pretty strong. Even with a happy fourth that he had to take 'cause play against oregon state and then they'll take the winner of accused. Houston actually cues couscous. Kamran keeps him. Run by the cues can make the for. Yeah i think about who they who they have gone up because now see the funny thing. Is you got zacks. Crayton's you've already pretty much canceled. You can't make what he's already out no matter what you had to avoid that stuff. I've got alabama. Usc house in oregon. So that's where i'm at. And the callers j you wrote that caller the collars have syracuse florida. State building value picks for two callers Oregon state in nova nova. No no is nova. could come over. I think i is going to have a tough time against sailor the way the guards play for bail or may like the guards paper bill. The way we love to rock out and playing inger face live run the score jira guys that can go. But i tell you value picks. They haven't used in florida state. Man floors take beat michigan. You mark that one down right now. And i think cues has legit shot to eastern. And then i'll see you later. Chicago terrible get by oregon state. I think cues could beat them to a pretty confident man. Okay call them a west bracket what pay. How do we pay this off in some way. Somehow we should have the callers call in with what the bets are so like. You know like suggest to us what you think we have. What's the wager on this. So if callers somebody the callers get more teams in the final than we do and we do have to say what we need to do for show. Well how do you do callers choice segment next week where they decide what we have to talk about and so we get more in than that. Means they have to share the boroughs. Send us pictures. They do something. Yeah we should hold those callers that we took calls from to some kind of standard. We'll sugar we have the week in the figured out a way where you could do like. They have to shave the show logo into like their head or something like that. Can we do something along those lines that show logo. I like that. I think something to do with the show logo and a body part okay. We both barn. I took a long pause because that was betty. But the hair carving it into the hair yes are you tell people in our show. He used to tell people and it happened by the way he would tell people because we would give out the twitter handle instagram. And all that stuff and he say you can dm allen your back tat and stuff like that picks. And i'm like no. I go to my dmz instagram. Like the ones where you could open if you want. And i'm like what people do this where we're the back. Tat's located guys back. Tax is like the shoulder. The lower lumbar now see slower lumbar forgotten. I can't. I can't walk out. I said but i'm gonna tell you what how about. They put a k. j. z. Tally necktie does the temporary. Temporarily neck tat. Yeah allen reasonable inc. Take a picture of a picture of it but we have to go to work for a day with a k. Jason knows so. That's three weeks. Oh is there. You need takes wada. Wash off. I'm sure jacob richard mike and then the other mike or right yeah. Yeah sure. I'll do that mike at lsu and the damn tournament. They lost like come on my right eye like john by the way. So we'll find you. You are definitely going to go. Nick tat for us neck tat right here right back. I think we have tell burma we case it. Winners and losers from the nba trade deadline will do that. with woche. Who certainly was all over it as he always is. We'll do that next after sportscenter. Shock down to six cross sports. Stott sixers danny. Green choir for three quarters go daddy. Great knocked down his eighty three in the game. The sixers were kind of squandering. The possession for a moment finally bikes to the corner and danny green. With what else corner pre. That's what it sounded like. Ninety seven five the fanatic as the sixers beat the lakers. Nine one zero. One the lakers. Just keep taking a elle's right now. No lebron no ad. But the sixers win was propelled by danny green eight. Three pointers digi is the second player in sixers history to make eight threes in multiple games joining jj redick before the game. Dwight howard received his championship ring from the lakers and then he was ojected before the first before halftime to baseball the white sox voi- jimenez out five to six months. He's expected to be sideline almost half the year. After rupturing his left pectoral tendon trying to make a play in the outfield during an exhibition game he added to ninety six. Fourteen homers and forty when rbi's during the pandemic shorten season college basketball oklahoma. Men's basketball coach krueger has retired. The an announcement was made thursday. After forty five years in coaching he led the sooners to seven and twa tournaments and a final four appearance in two thousand sixteen. He's one of just three coaches to lead five different programs to the big dance. Sports center brought to you by goodyear. Goodyear knows from here on out every game a chance to create momentum to make the right past the right move to get the perfect shot it takes momentum to get through the playoffs and it takes everything to capture a title goodyear more driven. Nba trade deadline is in the books. Kyle lowry still rafter. Puddle of big depot has its ups to match their miami heat. Coach up celtics made their today. Not enough. We're no longer going to be living basketball purgatory in the windy city. Now you add. Gordon huge pickup denver. What are the best thing that could possibly happen for the clint. Jeff happened if you could say that. Miami was the winner of the trade deadline. The trade deadline comes and goes we always talk about winners and losers teams. That got better jay trying to get the even harder. Find these we've already talked about as we get hungry during the show we might have to carbon out a little bit spoons. Feeding the watermelon. Definitely happening right. You gotta stay say we just go scuba. Walk by by j man. That's good sweet right. Agent joins right now. Espn nba insider yesterday. Very busy day for him. Of course all over it as usual and woes we always do when it comes to trade deadline's and whatnot. We do it with free agency as well. We about who the biggest winner is who the biggest loser is in your mind. Was there a big winner in a big loser. Well i think certainly the miami heat bringing on victory depot and really giving them an opportunity for the long term to if he fits. He was a player that they had. We know there's been a mutual interest between all the depot in wanting to eventually get to miami and the heat wanting to have him especially once janas attendant cuco when off the board and he wasn't going to be available for them to pursue. And i think now they get them for this window of time. They have their medical team. Get a good look at him. See his health and then see how he fits in there and not just whether they'd want to sign them longer term but how much do they want to pay them and they certainly get a player here for the rest of the season that can potentially help this group. You know as they climb their way get healthier. Get past some of those early. Kobe issues and do what they did last year. Just sort of worked themselves into sort of that playoff team in the east that becomes a really tough out won't know how much they want him. Why did the rockets get so little. Compensation vote for only depot. Well i think a combination of factors with all the depot one that quad injury that he had had about a year and a half ago. That concerns people. He's not been as available and on the court. Is you want a player to be before. You're going to invest draft picks or young players in in a trade. He's not been terribly efficient in his time in. Houston this season since coming over in the trade from the pacers and so all around the league there was interest in all the depot bream his essentially a rental for the rest of the season. Even without an expectation that you might recite them but but the kind of offers. You're going to get for a player in that situation. They're just not going to be significant. And miami waited until the end of the deadline and when they didn't have a deal for kyle lowry they were able to pivot and ultimately that was the best deal that houston had on the table and they ultimately Said yes. The hawks have gotten better the nets or the nets to milwaukee bucks or at the top tier. Seventy sixers have gotten better. Miami has gotten better. What's happening in boston evan. Forty eight is a very talented player but it feels like wow how come. They haven't surrounded jayson tatum and jaylen brown with more talent jay. They had the talent. It's been a talent drain in boston. Starting with kyrie. Irving leaving. And then gordon hayward leaving in the sign and trade to charlotte this past season or this this season and those are players. You just don't easily replace. And and that's they've had through the years obviously a lot of picks and we can go through the list of players. They didn't trade for That they may have had the assets to do. And listen when you have. Tatum and you have brown. You know you have a cornerstone to build off of there and to add around them there. There's no question that's as good of a young combo as there is in the league. But you've seen this season that the celtics certainly struggled with their depth with their bench and then kemba walker he. The injury would kemba walker. That's limited him you know. That's impacted this boston team. He's not been as available consistently and hasn't played as well in stretches as they hoped he would coming from charlotte. It's it's bed physical you know. What kind of how important. Winning is to kemba walker kind of character. He has and i think he's as frustrated as anybody but listen. Boston was a team. You know that checked in on kyle lowry. They don't have the assets to get it done k. j. z. Bart scott imaging will. We're talking about adrian. Wojnarowski joins us on the goodyear hotlines. Brought to you by goodyear. Helping you discover the road ahead. Goodyear more driven when when we were talking yesterday. It felt like kyle. Lowry was was a given almost that. He was going to be on the move. And we were all anticipating where it would be which of the teams and there was a couple of names. A couple of teams. That seem to be hot on the trail. You just mentioned earlier. The heat had to pivot once. They knew they weren't going to get the deal done. I just had a theory. That i think what messiah was doing here was to see. What can i get for them. If i can get a maximum return. It's sort of like what the yankees did with all this chapman getting gleyber torres and then getting chapman back in free agency. And maybe that's what they were hoping to do. Am i close on that. What do you know about that situation. Well number one. You lost me on the baseball analogy to know who those guys are putting. Maybe maybe exactly like that. You're you're right beside was going to see what the market was going to bring back for him and you never felt. They had that they had to train them that they had to give them a way. And i think also kyle. Lowry was fine with finishing up this season in toronto heat. Listen he's his love playing there and certainly it's not the same this year for them playing in tampa but they got right down to it. Three or two fifty to fifty five. They were still going back and forth with the lakers philly miami and ultimately he just didn't see a deal there that he wanted to do and i think the other teams you know again. This is a thirty five year old player in some cases it might have been a rental. And there's going to be limits. Miami's not trading a twenty one year old tyler herro for kyle lowry at this stage of his career. It doesn't make any sense. And so listen. They can revisit in a new deal in the offseason with kyle lowry. They could still get something back for him a sign and trade and if he leaves and you lose that thirty million dollars off of your cap then it gives you some flexibility with your roster their worlds. I gotta tell you every time. I saw a picture on the internet. Of kyle lowry playing next to lebron james. Anthony davis who is and obviously that did not go through roach. But how come the lakers couldn't make a move before the trade deadline and how come obviously with lebron ad both being hurt. Well i think the lakers. I mean listen. They did engage. On kyle lowry remember. Dennis schroder is a free agent. This summer they had come to terms on an extension during the season. There's only they're limited and how much they can offer him now. I think shooter certainly has confidence. That there's there's a need you know some teams like new york and chicago. Who have point guard needs especially now with the bulls not trading for lonzo ball. He's going to have some leverage in the off season. I still think a very good chance. He goes back to the lakers But i think with that uncertainty. You saw him more available in talks yesterday. And so i think for the lakers. You know again when you when you make a trade deadline you're giving something up and you're going to have to give something up value. Nobody's trying to help the lakers get better without getting something back and so for them to buy out market becomes the way to do that. And that's why they're really focused on. Andre drummond right. Now i know the laker players have been trying to recruit them to l. a. Certainly there's an opportunity for him to step right in become the starting center there. That laker team has missed. You know the rim protection and how hard it was to get to the basket and and get into the paint when dwight howard javale mcgee. It's been a lot easier this year. We go saw much harrell and so drum gives them that dimension would give them that dimension to sign him but the clippers are drummond tenders in east and that's the secondary market now when it comes to after the trade deadline i'll have mike vaccaro give you a call and give you the breakdown of what i was trying to say about the baseball parable. Great to talk to you. Thanks so much always. Good week for you is. You'll see you tonight. We'll nba countdown brother. Guys all right when watermelon all day you down coming up next we got. This is fun. Take it or shake it. Bart wasn't part of this last week. Was he achey shaka. Alright then the in the real winner of the nba trade deadline will discuss all. 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Man i think the season having is ridiculous ship almost triple double almost fifty forty ninety type of season you just got to get in the upper echelon of the western conference like i. I don't know who the denver nuggets are. He's having an incredible what they are. What are the treadmill. Wow treadmill team. Good not great. Do you not like this. Yeah but that's i to learn. I want to see if you can unlock gordon. Now that's where maybe the mvp starts to slap his move like they made a couple of moves this move so to change that javale mcgee comes in give you some defense that they need in the front energy right. Elapsed i will. I will take if era. Gordon suddenly is like just slash left and right and yokich is just bonus just thrown passes left and right and he's just don't people now. Maybe you've unlocked something. Can i get more. Murray for who. He was in the bubble. It'd be have that version of jamal. Murray locks a lot for that team right now. 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Draft Episode for Mar 04, 2021

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

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Draft Episode for Mar 04, 2021

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This relationship can subscribe for the best weekly nba content. These two are capable of. What does that mean could be. The best duo ever. I'll see how you can beat here. They are chris. Mannix and howard back. Crossover podcast chris. Mannix howard beck. What up back. What mannix. oh another cold. Windy day in the northeast man. I i can deal with snow. I can deal with frigid temperatures. I cannot deal with wind. Wind is my kryptonite like if it is windy outside. I am not exiting the premises. I don't know how you feel about that i was. I was enough to try to get a bike ride in late yesterday afternoon. Just as it started up down here in brooklyn and i was like peddling into a brick wall on the entire way home and later in the evening you know like we've got all the the window. Ac units here like the of the wind the seinfeld if you don't live in new york all those ac units that look like they might kill your dog as it happened seinfeld hanging in the wind. I swear i thought it was like blow off the buildings last night. That's how bad it was. Not good here in the northeast right now. We got a little bit of a tease a couple of days ago with warmer temperatures. And now we're back to subzero cruel mother nature good rule. It is a good time to podcast. Then since we're stuck indoors and a bunch of topics. I wanna hit on today. I wanna talk about the discussion about kobe. Bryant becoming the logo. The knicks. Playing good basketball. How sustainable is that kristaps. Porzingis launch Trae chatter around him. I want to get to that but the breaking news this week. Howard is that lloyd. Pierce has been fired by the atlanta hawks. After two and a half seasons on the job hawk's roster of fourteen and twenty start this year. Not all of that can be left at. The feet of lloyd pierce. They've had myriad injuries from deondraye hunter to danilo gallinari to chris. Done go on down the list. I mean there have been a lot of guys out. Boga bogdanovic bogdonovich cushion says. Try to get that guy right. He has been out for most of the year as well. But lloyd pierce took the fall in atlanta's week. Nate mcmillan is the new head coach of the atlanta hawks. Oh gimmie reaction to lloyd pierce being let go. Yeah i mean this was no surprise. Tanny body around the league. Of course it felt like the clock is ticking in the murmurings. We're getting louder. And the hawks had high expectations coming into the season. Chris and in fact should point out. The hawks had high expectations unreasonably high expectations. Even before last season the season ended up getting of course cut short and the bubble all that beef. It's it feels like a million years ago but in whatever follow twenty nine nineteen people already were thinking. All the hawks ready to make their move because trae young and kevin harder in this young core john collins. They were ready to and it didn't happen. It was way too early to happen. But the point of bringing that up is that not just fans or media ownership from what i understand had thoughts even a year ago that they were ready to make a big move in the standings and it didn't happen and maybe the fact that the season got cut short and got weird in the bubble and everything maybe bought everybody a little bit of time and and maybe even some perspective they this great offseason and so now that ratcheted up to another level right. They brought in rondo. Brought in chris done. They brought him gallon area. They brought him bogdonovich. And so now. You're looking at a team that they already thought internally was playoff ready playoff bound and they grafted on a bunch of veterans good veterans and thought. This is it. This is our year and it's been kind of a mess so this is at on its face totally foreseeable totally predictable and i'm not sure if it all should fault feet of lloyd pierce chris. I don't know how you feel about the timing or whether this is the move that they needed but should just say you know rajon rondo has missed at least sixteen games. Chris done has not played. This is their whole offseason hall. That raised expectations galadari. Miss ten games bogdonovich. I think is going to play tonight. I think was the news that we saw minutes before we started recording. And so the good news for them and for nate mcmillan. Who's been putting on an interim basis at the moment is that and the teams do this all the time you try to make the firing at a time when the replacement whether interim or permanent has the best chance of looking good so that you as a front office look good by giving them this nice head. Start so guys. Getting healthy could help schedule. Maybe could help a little. We'll see if they can straighten it out. I don't know that. Lloyd pierce was the problem but you know we we. We know this is how things go in the nba. Yeah i wasn't surprised by this decision. I wrote over on sl dot com the immediate aftermath. That this was something that the hawks considered doing after last season stopped in march when they were under five hundred and out of the playoff mix in fact. There are some people. A lot of people have talked to around the league that think that lloyd pierces visibility during the social justice movements when he did fantastic things in the city of atlanta and being a real voice during that time. It kind of tied. The hawks hands in a way like they. I don't know if they would've wanted to bring him back. But because of what was going on. And lloyd pierce visibility in all of it. They were not able to let him go. They didn't feel comfortable. Let him go so they gave him another shot at starting. The season but sort of started go south. I felt like only a matter of time before this move was ultimately made now. I think and the athletic did a really good job laying out some of the issues this week in a story i think a lot of it comes down to a deteriorated relationship with trae young. I don't think lloyd peers had in fact i know did not have a strong relationship with trae. Young trae young was ready for a new voice in that locker room. And this was the opportunity to do it. I do think that the hawks are probably going to play pretty well over the next couple of months because as you mentioned all the injuries they're gonna start getting these guys back it'll start with donna. You'll get the andrea hunter backer or deandre hunter was having an amazing season to start the year. He was averaging like seventeen. A game and the hawks were or ten and nine when he went out of the lineup. So you bring him back the teams go start playing better. I think some of the famous fatal statistics for loyd pierce were the fourth quarter. Numbers like they had leads in the fourth quarter of a lot of games and it just blew him. They had the worst defensive rating in the fourth quarter in the league. It was like one hundred and twenty or something like that. They were terrible in the fourth quarter and coughed up. Leads left and right and the eye test you watch them play over this last stretch lost three out of four and i watched a couple of games. The oklahoma city won the miami one. They didn't look like they were trying to look engaged at all on either end of the floor to get smacked around by oklahoma city team. That is playing hard and is trying to win. Despite the fact that they're undermanned. That told me and i'm sure it told people in atlanta that this team had tuned out loyd pier so i think it's gonna be fine. He'll land on his feet somewhere as assistant coach. And i think he'll earn another opportunity in the league. This didn't surprise me one bit. I i think the question i would ever you. Howard is can nate mcmillan. Right the ship i mean. Can this team get back into playoff contention with half the season left. Couple quick notes so there as we speak their twelve twelfth and offense efficiency which you would expect to be much better for a team with all that firepower like this is not a team. You expect to be a lockdown defensive team but they should be lead. Offensively and twelfth in offense of efficiency would indicate underachieving the twenty third in defensive efficiency which okay bottom third. But you look at the personnel. It's kind of what you would expect. Which leads to nate mcmillan. So nate has always been you know whether personally and just in terms of his own personality or as a coach. He's like a tenacious and defensive minded guy and he's the is a demanding guy. He's very much more old school a as a coach in general as let's say lloyd doesn't like actually lloyd for being a younger coach. Lloyd pierce had a bit of that old school mentality like canarian. Yeah disciplinarian there. So it's interesting that a lot of these cases we usually get that quick pendulum. Swing right now if you had the hard ask disciplinarian. Now you get the players coach or whatever and you go back and forth between. This is not really that. Nate is like an older more established inexperienced version. And that's not to say that there's there that similar either but in terms of being demanding being old school terms of of of just just kinda hard ass approach. That's what nate has. So he's not going to be the oh. We just needed a breath of fresh air in an easier. Going coach won't be that. At all. But nick walks into it with credibility. He's been a head coach for a few different teams. He's had great success. Those pacer teams. I still don't really understand why the pacers let them go and they did. The pacers overachieved every year. Nate mcmillan was there. And whether it's just that we need to change in voice or we needed somebody who had a different philosophy if the players respond. Well to nate mcmillan. We know that. Nate mcmillan coach. And we know that he can get the most out of a team. He's done it before. I expect that the combination of that. And i'm getting healthy. We will see a much more competitive hawks team. And we'll get to the knicks later in the pod. But like the hawks are going to be one of those teams battling with the knicks and others for those last couple spots in the east and or the playing game. It's a great opportunity for nate mcmillan. And i agree with you. i think. Nate is an excellent coach. Who got everything possible. Out of the indiana pacers. I mean he was. Let go after. Indiana lost in the first round in the bubble with a depleted roster. I mean nobody expected the pacers to win in the first round. That was a weird situation to because he was given like a contract extension just a week or two before they let him go early in that that bubble experience so it was a strange ending for nate in indiana and in atlanta. If he can do the same thing maximize talent. A good hawks. Teams lotta great hawks team but if he can get clin cappella and john collins to play better together if he can get more than just one way basketball out of trae young if he can get the guys. Back hundred hunter bogdanovic. Rajon rondo. chris done. You're all these guys back. I mean that team has the talent that they should be in the playoffs and there is plenty of time for them to get back into it. Yeah for sure. I think the one one of the challenges he'll have as you start. Ticking off all those names. Chris that's going to be his benefit in terms of having more options and some some important veterans to plug into this and try to establish a sounder rotation and maybe more of defensive presence but it also could create some issues to like even even a few months ago after they'd sign all these guys we thought well what's the pecking order here. There's these young guys who all had established themselves somewhat. There are going to get shoved aside for the veterans. Now these veterans come. They certainly expected. David earned their spot. It could also have some challenges baked into it but looking at the schedule so his knick's first game as coach there at the heat tonight as we appear on tuesday. And then it's at orlando so you know there's an easier game at toronto tough but then sacramento and cleveland. Those are struggling teams at houston. Rockets are a mess oklahoma. So there's there's a little bit of room to kind of maybe get some momentum over the next couple of weeks as we as we go in and around the the all-star break but but coming out of out of all star it's gonna get harder lakers clippers kings again warriors nuggets sons Yeah you know. I don't i don't i don't know they got. They got was something real quick before the scheduled turns. I'm look i think he should be the full time coach. I think i agree collapsed this year. They should extend him. Because he's proven he can win. He's proven e can maximize talents. It's just no brainer to me that you keep him around long-term all right. Let's talk for a minute about the kobe bryant as the nba logo debate which was kickstarted by kyrie irving on instagram has picked up momentum from other players who would like to see kobe. Bryant is the logo jeanie buss getting involved as well a couple things here right off the bat for me. It's not surprising to me to see so many players push for this because the vast majority of the league grew up not watching michael jordan but watching kobe bryant. These young players in their early to mid twenties bay worship kobe. Coming up in. Cairo he was as close to him as anyone of that era so it's not surprising there but let me. Let's just lay it out there right from the start. What happened in. Colorado disqualifies koby bryant from becoming logo. It's as simple as that. There are plenty of basketball reasons. Why not do. And we'll get into that but the sexual assault case in colorado. It just takes it off the table the nba even if they were willing to change the logo which they've still not acknowledged is actually jerry west though jerry west knows it's jerry west. The nba is not going to do it. Like they're not going to engage in that. Because if the as soon as you do that you're going to have all that stuff that happened in the early two thousand dragged backup. The nba will find itself in a debate. It doesn't want to be in so it's not going to happen for that reason. But i know i'll let you get into it. There are plenty of other reasons. Besides that that that kobe will not be logo. Yeah and this you know just kind of. I don't know if it's a disclaimer parameters. I want like loud for for the discussion. In general for people listening. They're going to be people who believe that you know what the totality of kobe's career and his life outweighs. Whatever happened and what happened. We don't really know the full picture. You can make that case right i. I've heard that case made. I'm not gonna argue with people on either end of this. This is something that people come to with their own strong feelings. And i'm not gonna tell. Kobe fans they should feel a certain way. I'm not gonna tell people are who who still believe that that that kobe shouldn't even be honored. In any way you know. Kobe was The mvp the all star game award was renamed for kobe a year ago in the wake of his death anybody who wants to argue any side of that i respect. There are strong arguments but there is a practical matter here. Chris and you laid out if the nba wanted to do this. You immediately now have to consider the the ramifications of whatever it was that happened in colorado however many years it's been now you know eighteen years ago theme a seventeen and no. It's not a discussion. You necessarily want to have and it's not it's not a minefield you need to invite into your your league and its operations. It doesn't make sense. It's one thing to name the mvp award of the all star game after him. It's another thing to say. He's going to be the like not the face of the league but the silhouette of the league as as the logo and the criticism howard would be justified. It wouldn't just see people complaining. For the sake of complaining. People that will come out of the woodwork will have a legitimate gripe i believe a legitimate case and the people on the other side who who are going to say that this kobe bryant is more than just that one moment that is that's strong and potentially persuasive or as well it's more just a matter of as a practical matter. It doesn't make sense even invite that debate but it's also like this is just so let's let's just move onto the the actual fundamentals of of of a logo and this league. Why are we even having discussion at all. Well i guess you know vanessa. Bryant weighed in and jeanie buss as a team owner who obviously jeannie carries a lot of weight herself as as one of thirty owners in this league and somebody who's respected and who has an important voice and kyrie irving. I think as you put it speaks for like an entire generation of players maybe all nba players is certainly a ton of them who who worship kobe and everything he stood for and consider him an inspiration and influence. But there's no real reason to consider changing the logo. The nba has had for decades. I would also say. I don't know that it should be a specific player. I mean the nba will tell you. It's not a specific player right. So we've all understood it to be jerry west for the longest time and jerry west of leaving joke about. I'm the logo right. And we all refer to him as the logo. The nba has never officially acknowledged that they kind of. Actually you know the outright tonight or they just kind of try to dis- assembles the right word about it. They don't they don't really Promote that at all interesting piece the other day on his blog from terry lyons longtime mba executive who worked in pr and other other roles in the nba going all the way back to the beginnings of the stern era and terry has seen those at all he produced in his blog. There's a photo of oscar robertson dribbling against jerry west in which oscar robertson is in the exact pose of the logo that we are so familiar with and terry lyons who again has been the beginning. Says there aren't that many great photos of this era of the nba. But there is this. One of oscar. Robertson looks exactly like the logo. Terry lyons says. I may be the only one but i believe the logo was in fact actually oscar robertson ironically dribbling against jerry west in this photo the nba will say. No it's just it's a generic player if we were going to change it. Why would it be kobe. Not michael jordan. Why would it be kobe and not. I don't know lebron. He's still playing. But why wouldn't it be magic. Why wouldn't be kareem. I wouldn't be bill russell bill russell. Bill russell to me has the strongest case. Not just because he's the greatest team player in nba history because of the championships eleven championships. He one but in the era that he did it being a black player in a league that was still predominantly white and was definitely racially. Charged being a black player in boston. Which was it easy we all. We can get into the history of bill russell but read books about him read articles about if he went through a lot as a player. He's been a leader in the civil rights movement. No they they named the finals. Vp after him. But to me. If you're gonna give make anyone the logo make it bill. Russell blocking a shot like that would be silhouetted. Choose i mean this gets kicked around every so often i mean it you know. Every five ten years somebody decides you know what the the logo should be updated. It should be more about what the nba looks like now in terms of style. It should be somebody dunking. It should be michael. Jordan's jumped man logo. Which i think is probably trademarked by shoe company but that like that imagery of somebody dunking somebody doing something other than just like this. You know vague dribble motion in the existing logo. But like the nfl has the shield midge league. Baseball has just like generic head and bats right. Why does he nba logo. Have to be anybody you know. If you're going to update it don't make anybody at all and in fact i would bet i would bet everything. In fact that if the nba changed the logo. Not only have. They said that this in fact already a generic one the new one would absolutely be generic. It would be a generic updating of what they have it would they would because if you make it somebody then there's probably some rights fees and other things that get pulled into that so you don't wanna make it somebody now oh them and you know you just make it a generic player dunking anyway. It's probably a silly discussion that we spent ten minutes on. Because it's an interesting discussion in an. There's a lot of layers to it and that's fine people wanna kick it around. It's not happening. No it's not happening so this would probably be the last time we discuss it until a year from now when another player drops another name of a potential nba logo. Nick young go with brian. Skela breeding Let's talk about the knicks for a minute here. We've talked a lot about the knicks on this podcast. Our at the knicks keep surprising week after week month after month. As we record this. The knicks are eighteen and seventeen city squarely in the middle of the eastern conference playoff field. I don't want to hear from people that say well. If they're in the western conference they'd be ninth so it's not that big accomplishment. What the knicks are doing now is the biggest surprise in the nba. This season a bigger surprise than what we're seeing out of utah. A bigger surprise than what. We're seeing out of philadelphia the knicks ping at five hundred at this point of the season. Something they haven't done and haven't been for thirty five years. That's how long. The knicks have been largely inept only three times in the last twenty years or thirty five years. Have been something like that is. What is it thirty five years. Twenty games thirty five games into the season. Sorry last twenty years thirty five games a season. My math is a little bit fuzzy today. The knicks are doing something special. There tom thibodeau has reinforced the belief. That when you remove the president title from him and just let him coach. He is an elite coach. Julius randle is having an all-star season they're getting contributions from their young players with that group of guys that were brought in whether it's derrick rose or taj gibson contributing on some level. Get your thoughts on where the knicks are right now. So the most important thing about the knicks and what they've done so far. Chris is not where they are in the standings. Though the record matters the standings matter and certainly for knicks fans who there was video of dancing in the streets when they got to five hundred a few days ago. It's huge because of where they've been for the last twenty years. Most of the last twenty is right. There's been a couple of good seasons in there but for most of the last twenty years and certainly the last whatever six or seven. It's been miserable. And so of course wherever they are right now if they are fun they are if they're respectable. They are if they're relevant they are. That is all huge progress. Forget stats forget advance stats. Forget where they end up a couple of months from now. What matters for the knicks at this stage of of their existence is becoming respectable again is becoming relevant. Again and fund helps to the are especially manual quickly. They should play more And and that's thing the knicks. This is like. I don't wanna now into the clippers because the clippers were a different brand of awful for decades but in both cases you look at a team that was just squandering. Its best asset. Its location nick. The knicks we think of as this great destination. This place the players want to play and it's new york and it's this market and the mecca. But there were squandering all that because they weren't respectable enough were reliable enough. Nobody actually looked at him and said i. Yeah that team knows what it's doing. No that's been the opposite and then they're watching dolan. Have charles oakley booted out of the place. And you think that's not a place. I want to be and so katie. And kyrie go to brooklyn and hard. Goods traded to brooklyn and anthony. Davis gets traded to the lakers. The broncos lake like everybody went everywhere else because the the knicks were not viewed as a desirable place. Despite being in. I would say the greatest city in the world and so the clippers of that same thing in la for years right like they were. Never gonna be the lakers fine. But you're in la. You should be able to be better. You should be able to get guys to wanna play there. But they didn't because they just weren't such a disaster for so long until the last several years and so the important thing is is is all of that but we should talk about sustainability. Because i do think there are some some signs as the will not sustain. And that's fine because my i'm going to go into that and people being done and you're throwing like no. We have to be realistic as basketball analysts. And i'm going to do that in a second here but the most important thing no matter what else i say in the next five minutes. It's important that the knicks established first and foremost. We have a plan. We're on the right path. We know what we're doing we are a franchise. That's that's gonna be accountable to ourselves to our players and we're a place you should want to come play and you should entrust your career to us because those were the obstacles last several years chris whether you're a superstar or whether you're the second or third year whatever you'd look at the nixon say that's a place where i'm going to be in the best possible position. To succeed order grow as a player and players have avoided it so the first and foremost is just establishing credibility and respectability and so wherever they finished the season as long as those things. Are there that the sustainable part. The numbers will get to standings playoffs so that the sustainable part is that part the respectability so that when you get two free agency this year players will actually consider you more strongly than they have in the recent past. Yeah and i don't. I'm not really here for any of the nitpicking. About tibbs. Relying on the veterans. Whether it's starting derrick rose over manual quickly playing taj gibson. Because he's comfortable with them. I mean the young guys safer. I don't know how many minutes kevin knox is getting these days but now rj barrett being burnt out quickly. Still playing although like you said maybe you could play him some more minutes to get him get him more time. Oh we top and his back into the mix with that team so the young guys are getting you know minutes with that group. And if you're able to do both balance it out you'll develop and play these young guys while being competitive and the only cost is like you get a little bit too much. Derrick rose with this team so be it. that's that's the way it goes. I love. I'm happy for top. Tiptoe that he has been able to kind of reclaim his reputation. I've said this and i fully believe it. I think he is this side of larry brown the least qualified human being on the planet to hold those two jobs of president and head coach. He's like the spiderman. Meanwhile he's blaming himself for problems with the team gets just he's just not get some crazy crazy things in that by the way a bunch of people have screwed up that dual role by the way. No nobody yourselfer gregg popovich and maybe pat riley at one point should ever hold that dual role. No and if you're gregg popovich you are able to. You know you see you see over the years a of responsibilities buford so of course you this. Oh it's just a dumb idea. Nobody ever do it again please. No it's a dumb. I what though not to get off topic. I think our explosives gold that pat riley is done. I think you'll be the next to have both jobs. But that's off course the tipo as president. gm not good like just doesn't have the mindset to be the patients to be able to pull it off but as a head coach. This guy can flat out coach from the knicks are top five in defensive rating. Like that's what tips does and we can talk about. How will they stay in the top four probably not. They've got a tough schedule coming up. But if they maintain that level of defense where their top five top seven top eight. Whatever you want to say. They're getting the playoffs. They are if you can defend at the highest level. You're getting into the playoffs or at the very least into that. Play tournament at the end of the season. That's credited. I mean i believe howard. I believe i believe coach of the year. I think it's a crowded field. I think quin snyder has been amazing. I think popovich who we don't talk enough about has been incredible with that. Spurs team knicks spurs. By the time this comes out they'll have already played but that's a game between to catch coach of the year candidates tuesday night because a handful of other candidates that are in that mix but i believe because of the bottom four type expectation that we have the knicks coming into the season. The fact that has got them at five hundred is is remarkable. No listen all of us. All of us thought. I think the oddsmakers thought i think all of us in the punditry world thought pro plenty of knicks fans thought. This was a bottom four or five team in the league. Maybe even bottom to in fact. I've heard a lot of people before the season saying knicks. Bottom of the east and timber was bottom of the west. And it's not it's like. They've wildly wildly exceeded expectations. By the way. I think they've exceeded their own expectations. I don't think the knicks anybody in the decision making pecking order their thought they would be a game over five hundred of the stage of the season. They have had a somewhat favorable schedule. One of the more favorable wants to date. There may schedule in the season. It's just such a orienting thing. The season ends in may this. You're not april. The may schedules absolutely brutal. A west coast road trip a bunch of really tough opponents So a couple of quick like the the the algorithms that predict playoff chances the fivethirtyeight blog. They have two different versions of this one of their model says. The knicks finished with thirty three wins with a forty percent chance to make the playoffs. Not great there other metric which they call rapture one of these wacky acronyms projects. Thirty five wins. Remember seventy two game season so still below five hundred but with a sixty four percent chance of making the playoffs. Espn's beep. i has them at thirty one. Wins and twenty three percent chance of the place. So they're all in the same range in terms of total chris there all night the low thirties. Basically and the percentage chances of making the playoffs. You know it's it's certainly way less than than fifty fifty and here's why i'm going to take a stab at. Why so the number to defensively right now. I think that's probably a little over. Inflated and i'll come back to that in a second but i think they'll be top ten their twenty-third and offense now. Let's think about why their offense like what actually works well. Julius randle having a career year career in every respect right and it's probably sustainable like he was a talented player out. He did bounce from the lakers of the pelicans to the knicks for a reason right there were some some. You know a problem with his game and some issues about him being a bit of a black hole and he is ironed out a lot of stuff. he's been really efficient. He's been a phenomenal playmaker. But he should be on a great team on a contender. We're getting way ahead of ourselves but like on a contender. You would consider jewish randall. Good number two. he's not your number one. He's not like. I know like the gray gray outlines knicks fans will imagine these kind of acadia. Lebron type figure doing a little of everything now like he's a number two probably on a great team and there's no clear co star like who's their number two like you would the fairy tale rose but the fairy tale version. It's a manual quickly before the season's over right maybe burks guy. Rj that guy at times but not consistently and he's still got some stuff to iron out right so like we don't. We're not there yet right and these guys are still young pieces in this. There's still there's still. Having to figure out. Like his kevin. Knox kevin knox is like an afterthought now this recent lottery pick frank ntilikina gonna end up like we talked about this young core but like how many of these guys are the real core core. Anyway i don't think not only knox neil keener part of their future. I mean that's pretty clear on. So there's there's there's still some sorting out to do some of the offense of stats here. Their eleventh and three point percentage which people pointed to as a as a good sign that they are you know in this era of three point shooting doing well in that in that area finally but the more important stat. Three point shooting is really makes attempts. Their twenty ninth. Three point makes so. There's not shooting making enough of them and that will catch up to the most likely. They are twenty ninth. In assists percentage says not a big ball movement team their thirtieth and hockey assists potential assists their twenty four th and true shooting percentage which combines twos threes and free throws. So their offense. Like it's legitimately lower third probably will stay there. I would guess they just don't have a lot of elite playmakers elite scores and that's not a knock. It's just the reality of where they are right now. This is there ahead of where they were supposed to be. They've still got building to do. And then last let me just point to this great. Podcast morning from our friends over at espn with brian hurst. Kirk goldsberry was on there this morning. Noting some luck factor in thirty in In three point defense right like all the analytics guys will tell you you. You don't really make much of a difference. Defensively with three point percentage it like it's not something you affect that much as a team. Knicks opponents are making thirty two percent of their threes. I'll send it again. The knicks opponents are making thirty two percent of their threes. that's the lowest mark in the nba. Their shot quality suggests that should be much higher nixon pulitzer only making twenty nine percent of their uncontested threes. So this is again. Take defense of the equation. These are uncontested. Threes knicks opponents making twenty nine percent. Which is by far the lowest league. According to kirk goldsberry the lakers for perspective. They have the best defense in the nba right now. Their opponents are making forty five percent of uncontested threes which is closer to what you should make. No one is contesting your three. So there's some stuff here that's gonna like. Come around statistically probably and look you can you can you can say. I don't want to hear about the standings. Chris but i'm gonna tell you there. Two games out of ten. They're enforced but they're two games tenth and they're three and a half games from twelfth so like one bad week and suddenly were saying the knicks play team instead of a playoff team. There are three teams right behind them. That i think everybody. Including every reasonable knicks fan will agree should be better than them and this should be hiring them in the standings they heat the celtics and the raptors. Those three teams are going gonna finish ahead of the knicks. So now they're in a battle for eighth with the pacers who are underachieving. The hornets who've gotten really interesting and fun. The bulls kind of their in there somewhere. The hawks if they can can straighten themselves out under nate. Mcmillan i. I'll put the wizards in this discussion. Just for the sake of argument. Because they've gotten back on track lately. I don't believe that the wizards are will will be in this discussion. The i but there's at least a one two three four five team battle. I think for the eighth spot and those last and those two plan spots. Yeah and if nothing else. The knicks look functional and if remote ten thousand foot perspective. That's the most important thing they can go into next offseason and not be the gang. That can't shoot straight not be this laughing stock of an organization. They're function with leeann. Rose the functional with tom thibodeau. And look you've covered the knicks for a long time. I don't think. I don't think it'll take long for the knicks to become a free agent destination again. I think guys wanna play there. They just don't want to be part of what that organization was and with them being functional again. I think they're gonna have some success getting guys to come into that market. Don't you well. The the good news is with so few fans in the building. There's nobody for dolan to really throw out his. i think i think i have heard from the beat writers. He is in his. He has been in his usual spot or is he is sitting there himself so if anybody does say anything that he doesn't like like sell the team he's going to hear it because whatever i don't even know what the numbers they're letting in but no it again. I don't care that they're gonna make the playoffs or not make the playoffs. I'm not even sure of knicks fans care because like another lottery pick would actually be great especially in a good draft. Your it's actually for knicks fans who are friends of mine been a little bit of a conflicting feeling like this is the year that would be great to tank because the draft supposed to be really good on the other hand there so thrilled with the knicks. Being good and fun respectable that effort. Forget the lottery pick. Let's just be good. We'll see what we where we fall in the draft being in the playoffs again would be really fun. And and there's no question those things hold value we can get a little bit too clever in this business with saying they should just tank. They should be better for another pick. That's probably true on some level. But you can't put a price on you know being fun and respectable in having your fans believe in you and and feel joy again at their team like. That's pretty pretty pretty important. So wherever they end up they've at least taken steps forward and that's important part whether make the playoffs again or make the playoffs or not as i said earlier. I it's immaterial. this is really setting up for. What can we do in the off season. Who building around. Julius randle keeper. Because he's got one year left on his deal. After i believe in and you've gotta decide now like is he a foundational player. Where are they going from here. We don't know 'cause leeann rose never talks so we don't know what the real plan is but they've got to start to figure out you know. This is step one. There's a lot of steps to come. That's still a staple the knicks not talking to the media people in the front office. Not exactly sure why. They continued with that policy but at least their best another podcast. That's a different podcast. Different podcast whole different conversation support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars by plane ticket. Paid on your student. Loan treat to those shoes. You benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive and twenty nineteen. Let's finish for minute here. On kristaps porzingis. There was a lot of trade rumors over the last couple of weeks about porzingis. The mavericks mark cuban. Rick carlisle everybody. Top to bottom has flatly denied it and porzingas forced to comment on his basically said it is what it is but porzingus is having i think is best month of the season. He's averaging twenty two points averaged about now we're into march averaged twenty points in february shot forty percent from three which is up from his season average shooting fifty percent from the floor well over his season average starting to play really well and the mavericks are starting to play some pretty good basketball. What what did you make our of the trade shatter surrounding christmas porzingas so poked around on this a little bit and you know you and i know this from having covered this league for a long time when it's player x is in trade rumors there's fifty versions of this. There's a team is actively shopping. A guy there's a team that's gauging value on a guy. There's a team that's just listening to offers for a guy there's a team that signaling player x who was not available before might now be available like there's so many versions of this teams may calls and then stuff leaks out and and we we we in this business. We run with it. That's that's the way it goes but sometimes we we hear these things long after the fact the bottom line is this. There's from everything that i have been able to gather. This is not a case of the dallas mavericks aggressively. Shopping kristaps porzingis. They are not calling around trying to offload in which i think is the way that people either portrayed it or ran with it or interpreted it. What i've heard is they're listening and they weren't listening before they've kind of made it known. Hey if you've if you're interested in this guy and you've got a compelling offer to make will listen and this is from. This is not from anybody with the mavericks. Obviously this is two teams out east. Who i've spoken with. Who said it's basically the mavericks say they're listening. Okay there's still a shift and it's shifted comes not very long. It's been you know we just hit the two year anniversary of the trade for porzingus. And you know it's been kind of a up and down two years mostly health wise for him. But i think there's you know a little bit of chemistry fit type stuff to you. Know lucas a really dominant figure. They're in porzingas. Who i think once viewed himself as a number one now has to be a number two and the mavericks who got like absolutely the best out of everybody last season and we're way better than people thought they would be like people. Forget this the mavericks overachieved last year. So it rose. Rose raised the bar. And i think too quickly. They don't have the greatest cast. It's fine but if luke and porzingas art both great and healthy and in sync. There's not a lot else to go on there. So yeah they're listening. But i don. This is not a case where anything is imminent or where they're aggressively trying to move him. People have grafted all kinds of other stuff on this start reading into about about porzingus and his personality or his attitude or his brother is what. I don't think any of that stuff is relevant. I think with the mavericks have seen is. He's a pretty good number two with luca. They think maybe they could do better. He does have a big contract. Which is which you know could become a challenge. If they're going to trade him we can talk about trade possibilities. But i don't really think this is like something that's imminence or or even likely and i think they'd be perfectly fine to keep them as long as he stays healthy. That's been the biggest thing and you pointed out. Chris like his stats recently. Once he's been healthy he did have another knee surgery in the offseason. A more minor one but it takes a while to to get back. I mean we've seen this with guys all the time sometimes like it just takes a couple months before guys himself again. It's too soon to say with porzingas. It's obviously alarming. That he's been hurt as often as he has. But i don't i don't like this. There was this theme that started to go around of this. That he's just done is crazy. I ran the numbers the other day. I don't have in front of me. But he's averaging twenty eight with a block and a half a game and there's like four guys in the league averaging that for the season and the others are like. Anthony davis karl anthony. Towns can remember the force but it. It's you know he's doing all right like he's putting up numbers he's blocking shots. He doesn't always look he's moving great but he's he's a he's a easiest more than a useful player. I don't ever been all star again. But he's he's you know he's he's still a very solid and unique player. Yeah the health is always going to be the thing to watch with him because of his physique and you worry about recurrence of injuries. That's what that's what makes him not untradable by any stretch but not the kind of player. I think you can get dollar for dollar value back in return because of all those things that you you touched on their plus. He's not the problem with that team. If he's healthy as we're seeing they're playing well and i go back to the playoffs last year. I mean they lost two of the three games against the clippers that they played. They played really well in those games and there were plenty of people myself included that even down to one to the clippers. I gave the mavericks a shot to win that series but then he goes out with the injury. And you know that's that's the ball game for team. I just i think that he luca can be very dynamic one to pairing in this league where you have a guy that you know two guys that shoot. Three's versatile can run the floor a little bit. I think the pairing works. What i do believe is that we've learned this year that you have to pair porzingas with a physical for like. I think he's a five like i think at this point that's position but you have to find somebody other than dorian finney smith or some of the other guys. They've rolled out there. Doubts you define like levels rugged rebounder you can find and put him next posing because that's not his strength inside muscle banging in the paints all that stuff. That's not a strength. So if you're the mavericks it's not about trading porzingas and shaking up the dynamic. Just go out in the off season and find that guy. I have looked at the free agent list. So i don't know who that might be. But whether it's free agency or trade that to me is the biggest issue with this group. Not that porzingis in donncha can't play together. It's that they need a physical presence alongside them. I agree absolutely agree with that. And i also just think in general you know. They made the swap for josh richardson. Got for seth curry. And so you lost like an ace shooter in the process. And i understood it like you were trying to get a little bit more just Physicality defense at that position. But i think we can say that that that that deal has not really worked through their favor. Tim hardaway jr. junior's been pretty good for them. But you know he's he's really. He's very streaky. As a player. So there's just there's no one else what else you can really rely on their. There's if porzingas not at his best because he's still recovering from knee. Surgery is not available. There's just so much on luca who is still really young as great as he is. And so it's just to me. It's kind of an incomplete team. I think that's the real issue. It's not our the over. Achieving underachieving porzingas and luca. And all that. It's like just they're just not the rest of that roster Isn't great by the way just looked it up real quick just to make sure that i had this right. The group of guys averaging twenty points eight rebounds and a block and a half game. It's four guys porzingas with towns. Anthony davis and christian would who of course is hurt right now but it was having phenomenal season before he he went down the mavericks according to espn by are projected to finish thirty nine and thirty three with an eighty two percent chance of making the playoffs. I absolutely think they're making the play offs. And so when this is all said and done. I think we'll. We'll probably look at this. As as a bit of a blip for the mavericks there are some warning signs there. But i think overall like the the. This team is strong enough that it should make the playoffs and you know they had covert issues. That injury issues. You know a lot of this stuff kind of gets overlooked when you're looking at team flailing for a while you forget about the details but there's a reason that they were struggling reason. They're they're doing better. Now and luca is is just incredible and then lifts can lift up any team. So like they'll. I think they're still a playoff team. But i like they're a team that has worked in the off season. And it's not about trading porzingas is as you say getting a physical for getting some more shooting another another playmaker to complement. Luca would help like there's just some things around the edges. That would make this team a lot better by the way on a future. Podcast i'm going to have to take an l. on christian would i was not a fan of that signing in the off season and just like lloyd. Christmas says i was way off on that one christian woods turned out to be pretty good player. But but like you like fifteen teams. Right i gotta. I gotta pooh-poohed the deal. I thought just kept trevor rees and chris. You're seeing the value christian. Would of these last three weeks with rockets but that that is a conversation. My friend for another episode. Our stay warm out there in brooklyn. Wrap yourself you know in a flannel blanket and make yourself a nice hot cup of kale. Ride out this weather for the next couple of days. How did you know what my agenda was for the day. that's amazing. see the future always a pleasure. My friend we'll do it again next week and hey crossover listeners. Stick around now for my interview with jay at donde. He's got a great new podcast out co hosting with si legends jack mccallum. It's all about the redeem team. The two thousand eight usa men's team that won gold with a special focus on kobe. Bryant and lebron. James really great conversation with jay about kobe in particular and about this very cool new podcast series. You don't wanna miss it. Stay tuned that's next now. Joined by my good friend jay. Don day you know him from. Espn and the la times formerly of both now. The director of sports journalism at northwestern university and the co host along with jack mccallum sl legend of the dream team tapes season to kobe lebron and the redeem team. Jj how are you. Good howard mizzle. As as i call you going way back to our laker days in early two thousands. I think i think my previous podcast. We explain why you're jj watt. I'm busy so people go back to the full forty eight archives. If you want to understand that the dream team tapes so jack mccallum you'll release that series last year about the nine hundred ninety two. Us olympic team the dream team which he had done a book on and that one was. Based on jack's tapes they re purpose them down. It was a brilliant idea and we got to hear all the stuff he had from barkley jordan. Imagine all these guys. This one is about the two thousand eight redeem team which has its own special place of course in in usa. basketball lauren. An just basketball or but this is not based off the book. So what's the conceit of this one to you. Jack have new interviews. is it also archived interviews. Did you tap into the jack's huge box of micro cassette tapes again. What's what's the what's the basis of this one. You don't hear it. I think you hear four words from charles barkley from jack's tapes His his sinks. We'll put it that way. Child barclays summary of the nineteen ninety-six olympic experience But i think that's about it for for the the old dream team tape catalog. This is new. We started from scratch and I little bit of trepidation. Actually coming in and coming aboard the project. Because i thought okay with the dream team tapes you had material we heard from everyone. This is audio format. It was it was great. It was brilliant. Hearing from all those people This time i don't know we're going to be able to hear from lebron. you know and obviously tragically. We won't be able to hear from from kobe bryant with with new material and so i was wondering okay. How are we going to really make this come to life. And the answer was Jack baseley had his people. I end up Including mike chefs. We know if nothing else. We had an hour with misha chefs coach of this team. And we could probably get jerry colangelo. Who is the architect the godfather as we call them of this team. And then we just gonna see and go from there And we're able to get four or five players Who just really rounded it out. Assistant coaches on that staff. Like mike d'antoni and jim boeheim We talked and then as we sort of formulated so one of the decisions i made. I don't know if i made it unilaterally but my suggestion was. I really wanted to explore kobe. Almost a parallel to the story of the redeem team in the redemptive arc of usa basketball. In as i went through it you notice. Almost you know quadrant by quadrant olympic year by olympic year and really matches kobe's path through the nba ninety six olympic here. He's drafted two thousand olympic his first championship two thousand and four The low point for usa basketball and also the low point for kobe bryant and in two thousand and eight this redemption. Kobe wins his first and only mvp year. When when the united states wins the gold. So i i thought there was a nice parallel story to be told. An jack was able to get Phil jackson as as you know how that he's he doesn't come out of seclusion. It often talk. And we had an hour with phil jackson talking about the the arc of his relationship with kobe bryant and that's changed the whole scope of everything we said. Okay this is basically has to be an episode on its own And so it will be two parts so the first part episode two of this would you listen to is really ninety. Six to two thousand and four and kobe's path through then and then later will revisit. Colby everything he did after two thousand four through two thousand eight through the return through the peak. I think it's a fascinating way of attacking. This jay is that for people whether it's review of the two thousand eight redeem and they watched in real time or whether it's for viewers and fans who didn't see it in real time so much of it is not just about necessarily okay. What happened two thousand eight. How they win gold how they fix everything. We've heard the stories of how chef ski in jerry. Colangelo fixed this team. An all that changed the program made sure that two thousand four hundred never happen again. But i love the way you guys attacked us because it is it is so much about individuals. It's kobe's arc and episode two of the podcast series. Of course obviously folks. Spotify apple podcast. All the usual places you can find the redeem podcast and it's important to to see it. Through the prism of these towering figures kobe and lebron chiefly but but many others. So i i love that. And so episode two. I just listened to the first two episodes before we recorded. And you guys go pretty deep on on that stage of kobe's career and on that. Oh three or four season which you and i through up close in la. When carl malone gary payton arrived but kobe's facing sexual assault charges in colorado. It's a just an intense incredibly tense and stressful and strange season for the laker organization for everybody involves told the apartments offer this core. This highly successful triumvirate. You could call it a kobe. Shaquille o'neal and phil jackson. And that's the end point and we kinda and phil was very candid about talking about how you know this. Gigantic elephant in the room of the sexual assault case against kobe and How it affected all the relationships right and and the fact that kobe hit rock shocks name into this when he was talking to the police and the fact that fill as is his his way was laissez faire right and and he made the decision. I'm not just going to be all in kobe business. I'm gonna pull back. And i think howard. I don't know european on this. I think that was the wrong move. And i brought it back up to phil jackson calm because what kobe needed was connection at that time and he supervision and guidance and all that mentorship and he didn't get that from phil because phil thought that i think. Kobe needs his space and i think he misread that and i brought it up. Phil explained his decision behind that and and we listen to. You'll hear him explain his decision behind it. He didn't say whether or not. In retrospect he thinks it was right or wrong but he does let us let us know the reasons behind that that really pivotal choice that he made in two thousand three or four. Yeah look i mean just from my own perspective. I don't know how you felt about it but living that in real time. I think giving kobe space was almost not even a choice. I think it was just what was necessary given the signals that kobe was was kind of giving off non verbally. He just my recollection of kobe. That season jay. And i did have a couple of one on one. Interactions like normally would having known him at that time for already whatever seven years but he was not as open to just chitchat of of any kind not with us us right right and they off the record like i desperately just wanted to say kobe just off the record in what is like what you're going through. How are you dealing with it. I never had that conversation with him. Did you know. I can remember specific moments one. And it's so weird it's always conjuring an image right. I can remember being in the visiting locker room in minnesota for one. I don't know why it's just like certain places where i remember trying to subsides and you try to go back and if you know somebody if you know a player you go up and chit chat a little bit and you know. I had that relationship with kobe as many of us in la did. But i just remember. I don't remember what. I was approaching about. But i just remembered the look on his face and being like there just wasn't going to happen there was gonna be casual chitchat not even about colorado in about the case. I just about anything you just was. He his guard was so up in a way that i'd never seen and we'd been through ten times before with them really great times with him and your relationship in mind with him as media is different than phil jackson's and so maybe phil did have the option to try to be more hands on it or assertive with them. But i think giving him a space. Like i say i almost feel like it's it'd be a choice. Because he just had the walls up so high and was so tense and was carrying himself with such a taunton. This that i. I don't know if anybody was going to get through that remember. Carl malone formed a bond and somewhat ironically the the way that their relationship blew up a couple years later but at that time call was living in orange county so he was only laker really close to kobe. With fifteen minutes of i think neighborhood and so they spending a lot of time together and i think their families got close and so So he valued that he needed someone and maybe feel wasn't the right person because of their history you know may may maybe that was never really an option but You know because they had clashed for awhile over the direction. The offense should take an and how much kobe should shoot. And things like that and so maybe maybe feel recognized that he wasn't the right guy to serve in that role but yeah as we know from fills book happy. Things were pretty tense. Also that was that was also the season where mid season. I had to sit down with fill in memphis and we talk about the whole the usual shack koby whatever they're going through it again and that's when phil says shack be the focal point going forward and of at that time as you guys note in the podcast phil had also gone to jerry. Buss at some point said we got to consider trading kobe. And and as you guys also note fills up for an extension with the lakers. Which lakers weirdly call off talks and announce there will be no extension right before the all star game that year shack heading toward his walk year and wants an extension. That the lakers. Don't wanna give kobe's heading toward free agency or the likelihood of free agency. He had an opt out then everybody knew he was going to exercise so there was just like it was just so tense on every level. If if if the sexual assault case had never happened it still would have been an insanely intense season any tense season for that team. You drop it in. And then as bill says in the podcast all hell broke loose. Talk when he said that. When we're talking i'm just like oh my god you know. It took me back to that. Time and phil has its way. Film doesn't overdramatize but every so often he'll just and and i think he's right. I don't think it's hyperbole. But a member in two thousand four playoffs they fall down to nothing to the spurs. And and phil let them know that this could the death knell for this group you know as we know it and and he went around and told everybody in lee. You know your contract's up your contracts up your contracts up my contract's up and as these meeting with the team and he basically says this could be it A death knell situation and and then he comes out and tells the media what he just told the players and so when when he dropped that line when we were talking just says all hell broke loose and it just reminded me just how chaotic that. Oh three or four year was you. It's interesting to pull back for a second. I was looking at this. As or as i was thinking about it as i was listening to episode. Two of your podcast and so much. Focus on three or four seasons in the lakers and coby and all that tension we're talking about debt is one of those kind of transition years for the nba and we could probably always pick out one of these years. You can always say oh. This guy's retired those but oh three oh four. It's it's the actual end of that laker dynasty of shacking koby. It's the rise of this little. The pistons were never even a mini dynasty. The only one title but they had whatever. It was six seven straight conference finals and back to back finals. They beat the lakers. They lose to the spurs the next year. So there's little mini pistons run. It's it's the rookie year for lebron dwayne wade boggs. No and we get into that and episode. Three of the podcast. We get into two thousand and three drafts. And yeah because that's such a critical part of this too right because those guys become the core of the team that fails at the olympics. No four but they're also the core of the team that then is the redeem team. And you know eight but those guys are rookies. The sacramento kings. Who had been a huge rival of the lakers are in decline. They're spurs are still the spurs but they're kind of like doing their take a year off thing you know the they. Go up to the lakers. And the lakers smoke them. The next four games or being the next four member with the scores were but the lakers come back from to beat them to go to the finals. The spurs comeback of course and and win the championship the next year no five and then again in. Oh seven but still. There's a little pause there so and we're coming out of that like the weird iverson marbury years where the you know. The league is not sure who's built around and who the face. Oh three or four also. Of course my last year on the laker beat and then i came to new york to cover the knicks. A whole different brand of of dysfunction tension insanity so it was a big transition year for me personally but there is just. It was a pivot your for the league. In general in terms of balance of power and who the faces of the league were because even lebron is much hype has surrounded him coming into the league. He wasn't ready to carry the league yet. He wasn't going to be considered the face of the league on day. One and there was for years after that. Kobe versus lebron. Who's the best player in the league. Know the puppet commercials for nike no. That's so this is the start. It's i think it's an ambiguous year for for what identifies what defines the nba. And it's the end of you know we call we call the episode kobe's first quarter because it's basically the end of that section of him of his career and also i think one year later is i think the following year is the last year he wears number eight so this is kind of end of number eight kobe. And and it's funny it. It didn't make the podcast. But when we talk to robert. Ory and eric aldridge laker former laker Vr assistant We talked to them for this episode and they both talked about the difference between number eight. Kobe and number twenty four kobe. And so this is kind of the end is the ending. I would say not the exact end. But it's the ending of number eight. Koby and i think twenty four. The switch to number twenty four was in part a way to put all of this behind him right. I guess you weren't around for that. But you know you talk to him. And i think it was very symbolic that he really wanted to move past that chapter of his life. So this is the you know the the final pages of Of that chapter of his life yeah to two thousand four you guys raise a what if that i. I really hadn't thought about in a long time. I'm not sure if i've ever really considered this but j you raise on the podcast. This would if that kobi's facing the sexual assault charge in colorado the cases going on all throughout the three or four season. It doesn't get resolved invincib- being settled out of court I think in september of new york by that point and because of that and probably only because of that. Kobe was not part of the two thousand four usa olympic team now. I don't remember the circumstances of whether he was headed toward been committed to that previously or not he wanted to and he's he said earlier in the year that he wanted to play on the team and then the circumstances that you just described and allow for so two thousand as the redeem team because a redemption was necessary because the team fell on. Its face got the bronze which for the us was. You know you might as well have finished last. You might as well have gotten whenever the the aluminum foil metal like. That's you know saran wrap something. So that team was alan iverson stefan marberry wade and lebron her there. But they're they're young. They're not influential yet. And carmelo. Same thing carlos boozer amac okafor shawn. Marion amari stoudamire. Tim duncan who i. I sometimes forget because i associated so much with a virgin islands. Lamar odom richard jefferson. So that's the team that wins bronze. And it's just considered an outright disaster this spurs the entire remaking of usa basketball's program and sets up the redeemer. No eight but the. What if if if kobe never has the sexual charge if he's if he's not otherwise Just taken out of the mix and he plays no four. How different is history. And it's it's weird howard. Because i think it changes. Usa basketball history. Because i don't think they. They finished as a bronze medalist You know we the kobe. Eight basically delivers the gold and the gold medal game against spain in crunch time. Kobe's the guy and so you have to think that in two thousand four he. He's certainly was. You know very close to that same player and and could have done it there so it. We don't spend time thinking about that. What up howard. Because it's really a more of a usa basketball time changer than an mba changer. But i just thought about this now as you were talking about it in a roundabout way maybe changes the nba because of some of the bonds that were formed from from you know in in some of the lessons that were learned from this two thousand eighteen and one of my main My main hypothesis or thesis as we go through this podcast is that this two thousand eight experience chains kobe because he socialized taught him how to be a member. He'd never felt this included before he never. He never engaged with his teammates as much as he did. With this group and also. Kobe taught these guys what it took to be. At the highest level of the work that it required to be at the upper tier of a basketball and so those are the lessons that were taken out of it. so maybe those lessons aren't learned. And maybe maybe lebron isn't up four time champion as he is now Without that experience so in that regard maybe that moment was in relative or relevant to mba hit addition to usa basketball history. Well and and also along with that and maybe. Kobe wouldn't have been ready for like. Kobe was so much in the shadow shack and was not a. Kobe was not a leader on those shack and kobe teams right. It was shacks team in terms of personality and leadership and he was the older one and he was the one and he was the biggest personality. Sa- kobe kobe to steer really tough personalities. Like marbury in iverson like would he would. Kobe have been the go between between larry brown who has his own peculiarities coach. And is difficult. And larry brown clash with some of those guys would see. Would kobe have been able to balance that for the team. Would he have been able to marvin. Iverson were his peers like his his literal peers. That's his generation. So can he really lead them in the same way that he led the younger group that came in behind him. Because i think among all the other transitions we just talked about and pivotal points. This is this is the beginning of the end in some ways. Four marbury for iverson. Some some of these guys like they don't they're tarnished by the experience of four the olympics and then their own careers in the nba or are really just just all over the map too. I mean oh four. Oh five addison in. Some ways is his best even better than the mvp year Even though the sixers don't go as far if you look up some of the things he did know four or five You know he. He really came and also in some ways the oh four olympics. Some people say as iverson's finest moment I think we talk about this in the podcast. How he he supposedly was the one that really rally them after they lose they they know they don't have a shot at the gold medal anymore and now they have the bronze medal game and iverson really says. Hey you know. Let's let's let's go out winners. Ain't going out like chumps and plays his heart out and they win the bronze and it's it's a tremendous appointment but it could have actually been worse. Some people give credit iverson in for rallying that group to at least go home with the bronze. I've thought about this too right so we had the dream team in ninety two. You guys talk a little bit of episode one about whether they started calling the ninety six was still a dream team in two and other teams like mj. Mj like nearly nearly rips you to pieces for suggesting that or for using the term dream team in reference to any other version of the us olympic team. So we know. There's there's only one dream team i will. I will defer to michael on this wondering team. It's nineteen ninety-two. There is a redeem team. Two thousand eight. The two thousand fourteen was so bad and so like besmirch the program it needs its own nickname but never got one. I'm like is the bad dream team team team nightmare. I got some people dip referred to it as the nightmare team. I i was thinking like search. You might find that team. Tarnished came up with. Us smith basketball. That's that's all. I came up with on the fly before we started recording so but we never referred to it. Maybe people didn't in real time talking about it as as the bad dream or the nightmare but it doesn't stick it needs. It needs a name. That was a really low point. Phil jackson talked to you guys for an hour. We hear a lot of really really interesting. Snippets some fun stuff from him talking about shack visiting him in montana when he first got hired by the lakers. And i love that story. You can hear phil because it really had nothing to do with our with our arc of our of our podcast right but it was too good not to include. That was one of those things where it's like. Yeah and and and so you know used about it and so as you as you guys know how fahey as you can hear the fondness for shack in it and and for kobe. I don't want you to give away any spoilers. But are there other is. There's some good stuff from phil jackson coming. Because as you noted at the top fill has not spoken much in the last few years since being fired by the knicks. He's been holed up. I don't know where montana playa del rey both possibly. He's been pretty much off the spotlight or out of the spotlight i. I reached out to him for the story. I did about the lob game seven which you guys referenced. That play. As shaq and kobe moment i reached out to him last year for that. We exchanged some emails and he gave me a few quotes by email but at that time and it was still just a couple of months removed from kobe's death phil was really an implicit was in the midst of the whole michael jordan retrospective and all that filled with bar. He was bombarded. So you guys got him at. What's a calmer moment now. Any any other fun pieces coming from him. Yeah so we'll hear from him again. Sort of the the The repair the restoration of the race. And i feel a little bad because you know. Kobe episode to is clearly a kobe episode in it. It really ends on a down note right. I mean we do spend so much time in two thousand and three zero four and You know you're hearing the worst of his and fills relationship. We spent a lot of time on that but rest assured. That's not the end. You know the the team and so we need to establish this. And we'll look at the the upward ascendance of kobe. In in later episodes particularly. I think as we get into two thousand seven and a key. Part of that is the fact that he was able to reunite with phil put their differences behind them and succeeded. And it's it's really one of the more amazing stories about honestly in sports is how you can go from the version of their relationship that we discussed in an episode two in two thousand and four where bill wants him traded koby when phil's contract status is uncertain status for the following year is brought up to kobe. Kobe says i don't care. So that's where they're at in two thousand four and the fact that they could come back and reunite win two championships together to the point and i talked to coby about this at some point during the second run together new says everything i do. I do for phil. He's taught me so much know. I'm the player. I am today because of phil jackson and his coaching staff. All this love that they have for each other. It's amazing that they get to that point so We certainly talked to fill about About that about how they navigated kobe's trade request in two thousand seven which people forget about now but that was a story as well And we we also talked about. Actually we use it in. The first episode is How you know what. Phil soft from kobe. And when he talked about kobe. Kobe came back from that olympic experience. In two thousand. So there is plenty more phil jackson coming. I'm looking forward to that. Can you say who else you guys gotten. Obviously kobe and lebron to the two big names in the title of this podcast series about the redeem team. Did you get lebron. No still reach out especially you know. Things are going for the lakers. As of this podcast. Because at first i was like you know. I'm not even we won't even really bother to. I mean come on you know the bronze got a million things to do and then as we went through. Well we got to lease. Ask right it. it'd be. It would always be disrespectful tim to not put in a request So we'll see you know if he says yes you know it'll probably just be a whole episode in and of itself But in terms of players we the coaches It was kind of fun the way we did this. Just because it is kind of a good reporting lesson to. I think kind of starting on the outside and building your way up and so you know we talked to like jam bay high and And mike d'antoni assistant coaches. We talked to craig miller. Who's been the the pr director for usa basketball. Going way. Back to the dream team in and even before so he has great perspective that he could give us sean ford whose forget his titles just kind of the you know the do everything for every everything from if they needed. Bus transportation in beijing during olympics while they're over there to You know setting up Traveling everything you know. He's he's do everything i And then we add colangelo and then chef skiing and we knew going in like all right we gotta make gi count that our we get with him is going to really central We'll probably reference that in each and every episode and he was great he was really good so each and every interview that we did We we just got more material and more and more excited but we needed players. And we got jason kidd. He was kind of easy. Because he's with the the lakers now as a coach so he's he's somewhere connected to the nba but he's not a player anymore so that was like our first player in probably are easiest player to get Is bunny i was like darren williams. How are we gonna. You know we're looking through the roster darren's been other league for a while in the atlantic story about how dern is a Partner with an m. Jim in the dallas area where he's from and where he lives. And so i i got in touch with the With the ma his partner in that jim and he put being types of darren Carmelo i reached out to the so. I was really happy when he re signed with the blazers and then You know that the blazers were having a good season so we were. We were circling and circling and circling. And then finally. I heard back from from jim taylor. The pr director says all right. Carmelo's for friday. Whatever day it was and we got camilla. He was great man and and that changes in You know getting fill change the direction to We just got chris boss recently. You know so. We had to kind of reinserted him in some earlier episodes and we'll be using them a lot in the later episodes So so it's been fun and You know it changes and just the fun part about it. Sort of the easy sell. And what's made a great is at. This is such a great stroll through great memories for them. You know in many cases it's the highlight or a career highlight for them and so they were more than willing to talk about once. We got them. You know they were good with like forty five minutes. Our you know they they were in no rush to stop talking about this because it was so fun the details and what's fine was that they really took us inside into the meetings into the practices on the bus rides. And i joke that it's really. It's a story of meetings and bus rides But that's what it is and then might not sound that exciting but that's sort of how this team came together you know and and really it's not about the physical assembly of the team. What's fascinating to me is about. How the pieces together. And how these big stars and big egos made it work and formed a unit It was a masterful job by mike chef ski and it was an incredible Sacrifice i don't want to overuse that term but if we in the in the context the sacrifice that was made by these players to make it work this is certainly a career highlight for a lot of these guys like we know like olympic mellow is a thing and carmelo. Of course. I think what three gold medals most all time. So they for him. Who's still not into a finals that that is. I'm sure that is a trip down. Memory lane he really wants. I'm looking over the roster taste. Sean principles that usa team. Chris paul who of course is still not won a championship. You've got bausch weighed in the bron- dwight howard finally won his title. last year. With the lakers. Michael read during williams. Who you mentioned. Jason kidd carlos boozer. So it's it's an interesting group overall. And it's such a snapshot in time to that. If you think about carlos boozer's nba career you don't think about boozers being like an an era defining power forward but at that time he's important enough that he's part of the redeem and also it was about one thing we'll get into later is how this team now as you look back on it. It's sort of a preview of the nba was headed. It didn't seem like it. Then but you know the the position we talk with bosch. He was really good about this about the way he was used on. That team foreshadowed the way he was going to be used on the miami heat. Yeah for example in the heat sauce. Things that they could do. And but but even a construction that team white howard and he really didn't have a true center on the roster after that which was very different from previous usa basketball team constructions belts about we're basketball period was going in that regard. If kobe were still with us. What would you have wanted to know about the redeem team from him in terms of his role that experience. What it meant for him because as you alluded to. I mean we talk about this. The redeem because it's the redemption of the program and of usa basketball but it really is a redemption ark for for kobe as well given everything that he goes through. That you guys talk about an episode to what would. What would you be asking. Kobe about what it meant to him to share and what he learned from those guys he taught them so much Again about work in practice and preparation approach to the game and their crafts I'd be curious for if he could tell us what he learned. And i'm guessing he would probably disagree with. My premise is money. There's no one else has but but like every every. It seems like a lot of the other premise. Like like one thing. I was really sure that the miami heat big three came as a direct result of this two thousand eight and that's kind of been the prevailing notion right because they spent time together with this olympic team. That's why they came together and Everyone else on the team disputes. That and chris boss himself said no. Like you kind of to shod that So i'd be afraid that so many other things that are brought up would be shut would be shut down dislike So filth shutdown notion on trying to think what it was. Oh so so. I i always say how do you tell me if you agree with this. If they don't win that game seven against portland. I don't think the lakers get any that. That group of lakers get any championships. you know. They gained so much confidence from going on to win the championship. that year. Two thousand and How would. I don't think they keep kobe shack together much longer If they don't prove that they win a championship because it was starting to pull apart that you know there. There was some fishers. There might not have been pulling apart. But there's certainly fisher's there and if it's not resulting in championships they can't prove that this is going to work. They just might have to. And i think shack would have been the one to go but i think they would have had to break it up right so i would say that that fourth quarter comeback in portland to me is the difference between one or zero and three championships and phil. Phil's like you think that ha- okay been agree with that. When i said what do you think howard you were there and block the same people that i talked to around that time. Yeah i should also note that you were saying fishers as in cracks if iss officiers important distinction. When talking about that the lakers. So i did this story for bleacher report last year about the lob about game seven the fourth quarter comeback. It's a collapsed on the blazer side of it. It's an incredible comeback on the lakers side of it at some mix of the two and i talked to. I think ten combined players between the lakers and blazers for that story plus mike dunleavy who coached the blazers. And a bunch of other people and on the lakers side of it. And some of the blazer side too. But especially the lakers robert ory rick fox derek fisher like those guys all kind of acknowledged. Brian shaw yes. There would have been consequences if they don't come back from fifteen down in the fourth quarter to win that game then and it's there's a differing opinions about who gets like i think it was robert who said it'd be all of us. They would've flushed all of us like we would like. I would have been the first one out the door. Robert was always like oh on the firing line. But he's you know he thought it would be him in the role guys. I think rick fox said yet would be a bunch of us the role guys and then some thought maybe maybe it would be the end of shaq and kobe. Oh there was still kind of early to make that snap judgment. Kobe was just twenty two. I think at that at that point so maybe even twenty one and he was gonna turn twenty two that year service. Twenty actually he he. He turns twenty two that summer that summer in august right. He's an ordinance. Seventy eight yeah. So he's he's twenty twenty one twenty two times today game so you know. It would've been a tough time to just give up on it a couple years in. But yeah as you point out. The fishers the the chasm growing chasm. Detention was already there and if they'd lost that and you attributed to that well these guys are just never going to figure it out. Then yeah you. Could've you could have foreseen if not then then maybe in the midst of the next season if they were still struggling because it did it brought them together it. It cemented the trust between kobe and shaq such as it was. It's cemented this group that we now think about. Is this this legendary. Supporting cast of derek fisher and robert ory fox brian ron harper. Everybody is viewed in a different light because they win at all that year and then when two more but if they lose that one not only do now. You're looking at all the things that derek fisher in robbery can't do again now. You're looking at all the problems between shaq and kobe again. Instead of what they did do and phil says it to you. Guys for the podcast. It's in episode two. He gave a version of that to me via email a year ago. That that play very literally like it's so symbolic watching kobe. Throw the lob to shack and the aftermath of it and everything that you see and you feel and watching it and it's interesting when when the people who were in the midst of it who actually did we. We're writers. We superimpose all kinds of our impressions on these things and maybe they're true. Maybe not maybe. It's a little bit of both but when the players the coaches themselves say yes that moment meant something that moment is more than just symbolism that moment had had had heft and depth to it and it did bond them and it did enable them to them when two more championships afterward. That's meaningful when phil jackson and players are saying that you know that that's not one that's just some the media narrative it's real and in our case phil mentioned it somewhat. Pro unprompted right. He's he's the one that went there You know without me. Prompting him to say. It's also worth noting and i need to note it because i think in in the version that we did. I didn't originally talked about it but Kobe lead the lakers in everything that day points rebounds assists blocked shots steals so here the in the pivotal moment in that sex. Mvp here But in the pivotal moment the crossroads for that team. Kobe lead them in every statistical category on that day and then he throws the pass like you know in in what had been his game he throws the pass to shack shack ultimately gets the glory right. He he he was dunk. That's what we remember. If there's a singular moment of that game defining moment it's probably shack running pointing after throwing down that that lob but kobe led the team in everything that game where she wind up getting back to. Yeah i do. Answer your point. I i if i if i could ask kobe question for this. I would wanna hear if he felt that he benefited and if that was a new experience for him a novel experience Being part of a group like that and if he if it just seems like even watching the clips that we have a him interacting with his teammates from that time His olympic teammates We just hadn't seen him like that and you can. It brings out a youthful aspect of him that had been lost in large part because of everything we talked about that. He went through and all three or four. Yeah and it's also an interesting inflection point because oh it is the year they lose to the celtics and the finals but then they come back and and and win the next two championships and so how much is the. Oh eight olympic experience also feeling kobi or reshaping him and his leadership in the way that he. He takes the lakers to the next two finals and wins the back to back. Championships gets his fourth and fifth rings. I mean it really is. There's i'm sure there's a lot that you know. If only he were with us kobe. About what a weight meant in that whole arc before that you go just because we're in an olympic year. We shouldn't be an olympic year. But we are. I don't know if there will be an olympics this year. Either but there's been discussion both because of the nba bumping up against the olympics because of schedules because of the pandemic because of everything and also just where we are in general like. We're once again. Asking the question is is it time to to retire this model. Has it run. Its course you know. Shoshefsky is now out. And it's now pop and like we are in a transition phase with usa basketball. Do you still feel jay. You've covered a bunch of these olympics. I've never been to one. Are we still using the right model for usa basketball with the top line of nba players. Even the pool goes deeper than just the top line. It goes a few key down to do. Not all stars is a time to do something different with this Not at the usa wants to win gold medals. Still you know. And that's that's sort of the lessons that we learned you know and it's funny because that's part of the legacy of the dream team in ninety two was that it rep raised an elevate the level of basketball and nationally and so now these subsequent versions of usa bass will have to deal with with the monster that the dream team created. And so frankly you know unless the us sends its best and as the jury colangelo motto was unless that best is committed to multi years so that they can really come together as a team so that they you know they just you know get twelve guys together and go out and and and play for a couple of weeks Usa bass wasn't gonna win and one thing was innocent. We asked claims about this. I don't. I don't know if we're gonna wind up using this like for some reason. Usa basketball we held. We hold the house higher standard than almost any other team sport in the olympics. You think about it like baseball had fallen off before it fell out of the olympics. Completely and it didn't seem to prompt the outrage uproar as it did when when vassallo are usa. Boxing program has fallen off right. It's no longer as dominant as it was in the sixty seventies eighties and that didn't prop this. This national reckoning it was this. usa basketball really matters like that's a sport of of the olympic team. Sports that's the one that seems to matter the most to the most people and so if that's the case then i think you need this model in order to assure the gold and silver medal results. I guess because american football is not an olympic sport. 'cause could you imagine the us losing olympic gold in american football. Like that would be that there'd be riding in the streets that would be the only thing that could be bigger than usa basketball failing at the olympics. But but it's it's interesting and you know we hit. i think there's a there's a weird racial component. I think to it as well it's either. It's either to those guys you know. They're not us. It's them you know for for the team you know that that's another thing So two thousand and four is only the second all black. Usa basketball team Olympic team at least two thousand is the first and in two thousand four a second and you know you wonder if that plays a role at all in in the reaction to to the failure of that team. But if i you know the interesting thing is if the nba. That's the key is if they decide all right. We want to make sure that olympic basketball is a priority. And we're going to take that into consideration as we schedule into the future. Isn't it weird. They they're like all right. The the playoffs are going to start. Like what like may sixteenth or something this year and like that's just weird to me howard like you know it it it. It feels a little bit like the normal rhythm of an nba season. But you know the fact that the all star game is gonna be march in the plastic and to start in may like now. This is starting to feel weird and the finals. I believe the the possible the latest possible end for the finals. If there's a game seven. I think something like july twenty second like that's normally when summer league is summer league right. Yeah and what comes the summer league. So even in non-olympic here's what becomes sourly which has become such a huge thing in las vegas in the summer. It's like what are we going to do with that now. just remember. there is no time. Time has no meaning. The calendar is useless. everything is meaningless until we get. It's but we're getting out of it soon. Damage we're close the podcast again. It's phenomenal. it's the dream team tapes season to kobe. 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The Hawks?! | The Answer

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The Hawks?! | The Answer

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They're getting some guys back from injury. Like book donovan. Who seems to be playing at his his his real like sacramento heights right now. So you're seeing exactly. Why traverse gm in the hawks went after bogey to come in energize that that offense and he's doing some really interesting things with the second unit. But the reason why. I wanted to talk about them. Is that. It's really easy to give up on teams in the league you know. I think it's really easy to see a team. Kind of start to nosedive. Put them in. The do not remind me to watch this team on the league. Pass the anti leap pass rankings. You might check in on trae young a little bit but like there's really no reason to and then because these teams are so bunched together this year. Because you've got so many teams like in around a couple of games under five hundred or right around five hundred if you do what. The hawks just did which is rattle off seven in a row all of a sudden your fifth place in the eastern conference. That's all it takes and i was really fascinated by this transformation because it's a transformation that happened. Pretty subtly with nate mcmillan. Coming in to replace louis pierce. I want to talk to my buddy. Remember brown who is a native of atlanta hawks fan about feels to be cheering for this up and down team this season and then i wanted to talk to kevin o'connor from the ringer a little bit about what nate mcmillan is done. Here and what traverse. Gm is kind of building towards. Because i think what his plan for. The team is kinda unique among a lot of teams. You're seeing a guy who drafted trae young. In the year the luka doncic draft which will probably be debated for the next ten years and then subsequently he's been drafting almost for fit and he's been drafting for role players. He's not always drafting for maximum upside dude. No matter what we already have on the roster it seems like he's putting together a team on the fly out of the draft which is not something you see all the time. So we'll talk to kevin especially since we have the draft guide coming up with the draft. Guide is up on the right now. A wanted to see what kept thought. About what travis link has been doing. So let's get into the answer and figure out what's going on with the hawks. I want to talk about the hawks. There's only one person. I wanted to talk about them with its brown. What's up man. My guy is so good to talk to you to talk about my favorite thing to talk about. When things are going immediately well let me talk. Hyperbolic about the hawks. And there's nothing that makes you happier. That streaking hawks. He's showed up at my phone a striking hawk and now we're talking about the hawks. I can't wait so you were saying. When was the last time you talked about the hawks any kind of professional capacity so it was. It was really funny. I was doing some promotion for the podcast. I was doing over the holidays about the georgia flipping blue gaining ground. I was like eleanor out. I just wanna talk to everyone in atlanta about this and talked about the hawks on january first when they were four in one and the group tax a group tax literally of like nine of us. It's called five hundred or better. Which is what we want for the hawks and yeah i was saying some wild stuff. I said you know lloyd. Pierces of molder of men In that he was gonna take this to the province lead. I was like. I was just saying everything that i typically say when in atlanta sports team is doing well which is like this is the year and then immediately fell off the rails immediately started getting injuries immediately. Were soon after that started to become athletic tells about dissension within the locker room. Trae young john collins dot getting along do just getting hurt for extended periods of time loses his job. Nate mcmillan comes in and granted against a pretty light schedule. The hawks aka the hawks which i saw them referred to on peachtree hoops which i'm one hundred percent approval rating at that. Love the nate hawks on dates. They go on a seven game winning streak and either about to walk right into a buzzsaw with a with a trip. Which and then also golden state denver phoenix. I'm not even sure what we're going to be if we did this. Podcast in two weeks. I don't know how you'd be feeling you. Just do this. Podcast in two weeks. I would do it when things are just so incredible. We have to talk about it right then at the you watch. The hawks debut the thunder last night. I usually very competitive thunder team that they completely handled them. Wooded you see last night. What did you like that you saw when you were watching the hawks so there is a version of the hogs that i love wishes one that i genuinely feel like even when they get down. They believe the game's over. And i can see a lot on. I feel like offense. They're always just excited to be playing basketball but also defense. It's like hey defense excited to be playing offense. There's like oh like we could actually get a stop and play more often instead of out. This is when they come score on us and now we have to go score again or we're going to go down again. So that's what. I've seen progressively in the to quote the atlanta hawks. Twitter handle the asia. Www www w k ass distract. Yes seventy game like. what's that about. Well it's weird. I love with concerts at so bunched up like that. Though if you put together seven wins you are in fifth place. The hawks they get out from under this plan stuff now granted. They could go out and lose five of their next seven and be back where they started with this. But i think one thing that i've seen with macmillan so far as he knows how to stop the bleeding when it happens like he can he just kinda like take care of problems on the fly in a way. That may be pierce wasn't doing. I don't know if that's a fair assessment. Though yeah i also yeah. It seems like well the thing about natives funny like he really didn't seem like he wanted the job. Yes like y'all like. I really don't have to do this. Like lloyd was kinda of dude. I'm not even looking to be a head coach really right now. So he doesn't seem like that proud in his system is is just like you know like you know if something's not working let's stop it immediately and jazz something else. Which doesn't seem to be a hallmark of the loyd pier system that you had nice runs but also had us losing three games in a row like often kept being on three games kids. I think it happened like three or four times. Yeah i was. I was looking. Because when i got to atlanta a couple months ago. We were in eleventh Couple of weeks ago. We were in eleventh place in the any. Yeah like like you were saying with just This run there now. Mike fifth place right. It's which is how it's gonna go until the end of the season that we like we. There's no telling how this team is up But it is nice to see them at least show some life and get spoken about again. 'cause we were getting to that point in the season where like people forget that. The hawks are team. Even though like you know the hawks went on a skid. That was such a weird skit. Like trae young just suddenly didn't become an all star anymore. People like who is also getting blamed. I think you know fairly or unfairly for like the tendencies in modern basketball like this kid is emblematic of everything that's wrong with contemporary nba ball. Which like you know whether it's the mimicking of steps like deep shooting is one thing but like the constant foul hunting and they complaining a lot which is something that luke does too so it's not like it's exclusive to trade bitch and moan about calls but i wanted to ask you this. You said that your text threat was called five hundred or better and the guy is kind of like i. I am also a fan of mediocre basketball teams. I don't think there's any shame in being okay. Is that enough for you. Like you came from the highs of the bud era which were actually weirdly. Probably a little bit more. I would imagine disorienting because you were so good in the regular season. And then lebron just just wipe your face off your head to go from that. And then there's some years in the wilderness. And now you're back. If macmillan gives you gives you a pacers esque existence of like five hundred or better. It may be getting too deep into a first round series if not even a second round series in. The playoffs is an acceptable hawks. Existence for you. I think that's not. Because i think we've actually started to believe in puzzle pieces actually coming together right to become one of those like sixers teams or one of those teams that like we don't have to fully tank. We could actually just like you know. Go braves on. It didn't have like a farm system that actually works with like this kind of ragtag collection of people. I don't think five hundred. I five hundred or better gets us back to those underwhelming years which is like we're good but who cares and i've always thought like we're good. Who cares doesn't work for atlanta sports like nobody. Nobody goes. yeah. I would rather out to some degrees sometimes. I'd rather flashy and terrible but like relevant than you know the perennial seven c that gets beat by like the nets for the next four years. Like that might be a really bummer existence. I'd rather just like not. Watch the hawks for five years and focus on something else. So you know. I think it lands in this weird cycle of like the falcons are just like not a team to think about right now. So now it's like okay now. I really got to focus on the hawks now. People are caring about the hawks because a and all this other stuff so just be mediocre. Feels kind of a bummer. Is he the biggest atlanta athlete. Now he is right. Yeah yea like yeah. I think i mean i love me some ronald kunia. Jazz is wondering if but just like just the nba is just. It's it's just bigger. And i think trae again trae. Has that little. Ben like exciting vic to them where it's like. I don't know if this is going to result. And where do you think people care. And that's tight so the tints also good. We're approaching the doug line. I don't care about basketball value a talking about value ram whatever. Let's just call like the stat is rim. It's like pr who's untreatable. To you based on rim right now number. One tony snell. Yes now. How much of that has to do with the fact that we found out recently that tony snell has a blackberry. Tony style is. He's like he's. This is true by the way apparently. Yeah yeah tony. Snow blackberry game winning shot tony. Now i just might think is like what have you proven immune. The last seven days. The last seven days. Tony hall of fame like some of the some of the other guys like you know like i know you're banner Have you done for me lately. I think in reality. I think i want to see a playoff alfie capella. I just like. I want to see this. Like weird experiment of the hawks are trying to pull off actually work. Because there's like there's a really amazing world in which having rondo come off the bench and a tight playoff series the greatest thing in the world it could actually work and rondo coming off. The bench is a pretty decent second unit. If you get deondraye hunter cam reddish back. Yeah another person the other. I won't say i'd say in seven days was happening. The last seven days metric the other night that we have nate. Nate nate the night. Yeah yeah There's something about watching him dunk. I think it was more playing toronto. He dumped on someone in. Mlk jersey in the funniest enough efforts. I was like oh. That's like a rock and jock eight. You dunk on someone with two hands in mlk jersey. Okay yeah he he's got to make it to at least a playoff squad. We can't lose them. He's got he's got too much of the right energy for me. What about john the baptist. Because he's he's the guy who because he's a restricted free agent and. I think that there's been some talk about. Other teams have an interest in him. Specifically the wolves which i thought was kind of weird. But he's the guy who i think has been most vocal when it comes to the trae stuff and just like this is not necessarily trays team. Like i might be better than him. You didn't say that but like you can kind of get the vibe from john collins. he's like this is my team. Like maybe john. Maybe he doesn't have a twitter account or cable subscription under the impression that he is the hawks franchise player. He's like like north korea. he's only getting. John collins idea that anyone else could shown on sportscenter. Yeah you know. I'm hoping that with big nate. At the helm dismay be deals with some of the collins issues. Because i'd hate for. There's something about drama ruining a not great team. That's not allowed like like. I need the big personalities to stay on like big teams like for us. It's like we don't have time for big personalities. We need to try to score more points than the other team. Every game like we just need to focus on the nuts and bolts of winning consecutive basketball games. And i've just been hoping all year that i think collins has too much upside to to lose but i don't want to. I hate us talking people off like locker room cancers like those type of people and i don't wanna go there with them. I just want them to just work it out. Yeah my concern. Would collins would be the price you pay to keep. Them is actually way more than you would want. And that he would wind up. T- tying up too much money for your team when you could play around with with that with that cash otherwise but i think he stays. I just like watching him in trade to play together. It's so interesting to know that they might not like each other because like those are just like one of the best things in the nba. right now. yeah it's it's really good. There's like big a energy on the hawks right now. Yeah and trey trey and collins feel like the to from like opposite sides of atlanta. They got put on the same youtube in there. Like the best kid from the side. The best kid from the west side but they're not used to not being dude. It's very a energy. And so i was just like. I'm just hoping nate one dislike. He's still interim i'm data. That'll change. yeah. I just hope that With this midseason coaching change in this. The streak which you know. Probably the longest winning streak. Most of the hawks have ever experienced. I'm just like hoping this continued. 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Amplifying the most epic shot in the game and taking groups culture to a new level brought to you by mountain dew. The official softdrink of the nba do do kevin o'connor kevin first of all congratulations on another year. Another draft guide. Thank you. Chris spun it. They do amazing stuff with everybody was so hard on this thing and it's one of the things we're most proud of the company. Honestly so it's really cool to see come to fruition. You've got gotta check out. All the work that went into it and kevin does such a good job tracking this year's draft classes. They like as we sort of round the corner into draft season but kept the reason why i wanted to talk to you today. Is i remember very distinctly. Especially right when travis link got hired to the gm of golden state. I think that is right. Around when you and i started working together at the railroad's shortly thereafter and he was one of the guys and the hawks were one of the teams that i feel like you've consistently pitched as a team of interest for you. I wanna go check these guys. I think something interesting is happening down your we get into this season. Obviously i just talked about this a little bit with remembered about fan expectations and his relationship to the hawks but we get into this season and after some injuries and some locker room stuff appears loses his job. Nate mcmillan comes in and takes a team that seemed like it was basically falling apart and makes them almost immediately competent rattling off seven games in a row. So my question to you. Kevin is are all bad teams. Just a nate mcmillan away from being good. I mean a only ever team could have a nate mcmillan curse. The nba would be a better league Would atlanta i think certain teams are coach away. But there's not many of them though with atlanta their issues like that athletic story about new. The problems that player had with with lloyd pier seemed very much to do with def- definition of roles and just the the relationship person to person i camera had that quote in this will not a quote but like the behind the scenes quote anonymous quote about him not feeling like he was valued felt like he was gonna pick don mcmillan seems to have a better relationship with these guys and as a coach like i don't i don't see many changes from assistant point of view with what it lands doing. That's what i was wondering. Yeah like there's definitely differences with when he called the time out and his rotations and that stuff matters right like a lot. There was a part in athletic story that you're referencing where they mentioned a game that louis pierce was absent from while he was still the coach mcmillan coached for him and that it was strikingly obvious that like just minor rotational things and just timeout calls and it just that that game management stuff that. I don't think that we really as a fan. I don't really notice that that much. I sometimes i get like. I do pick up on rotation stuff but when to have a time out and stuff like that especially for a young team that are susceptible to giving up chunks of points on defense. You gotta know how to manage that right yet. No doubt about it and you know. There's a couple of instances in a game earlier this week. Where the other teammate. Iran and mcmillan calls a timeout after five points. Not waiting for it to get ten dollar ron. Eleven run twelve all run. He tries to end it early. And i think all these little things are adding up to help. And you're also seeing you're seeing guys get minutes at weren't getting minutes before like nathan night. I know silly to say he's just a role player. But nathan night looked pretty good in. Preseason had a really good game early in the year and then he never played at all and now he's getting consistent minutes. Having great night's shooting threes attacking close had a big dunks a poster every night. It seems and i think sometimes you know coaches. Can they fail the self scouts their roster and mcmillan has suddenly shifted bad in terms of rotations. And who's getting minutes and that's all helping and part of it though it. Obviously lloyd pierce had his issues. The coach these guys have also grind party. You feel like he just didn't ever had a chance to succeed like there's so many guys out early in the year i feel bad. I feel bad for pierce. No i mean go. Look at their schedule. They you wanna you wanna see the hawks season and nutshell go. Look at bogey bogdanovich gamache. Because there's something like four and four or four and five when he goes down. He misses february. Did they go into the tank. He comes back and then grow. I mean he's not necessarily the only reason i happened. Obviously that coincided with with with nate it coincided with them getting a little healthier although they also lose They lose reddish in that time they've lost reddish and hunter and he'll be back soon hopefully. Yeah but i think that there's definitely something to be said for the fact that pierce never really got to play with his full roster at all and was blamed a lot for things that are out of his control like injuries. I guess i was going to ask you did you. When you watch mcdonagh vich play for them. I was watching the las vegas the thunder. And i thought i kind of one thing that i think they've had a lot of issues with what to do and off the court on off. Numbers are pretty pretty striking. But i saw them playing in a little bit of like a kind of shadow trae role last when he was playing with the second unit. And that was part of the plan you know when they got him a to happen. Be that guy who can win. He shares the floor with trae. Push them off ball. A little bit still primarily. Be the guy coming off screens and handoffs and cut into the rim. That's what bogdanovich so good at. But what's long been underrated with him. As his ability on the ball and his ability to create and having that guy i they they signed rondo to who has not been quite the same as he was in the playoffs. Last gallows for a gallo of course was out to and wasn't the same until recently gala has produced the gallon ari that we know but bogdanovich. Who more you can get out of him as a playmaker and i even now like a glass game gave a preview but i still get excited about what bogdanovich and trae young could potentially be if trae can be maximized off the ball. That was what i was gonna. I was going to ask you this. Do you see a little hardened kyrie. They're like not obviously anywhere near as good as those guys but using trae in that sort of kyrie off ball way the way the nets are currently using it and giving bogdonovich a little bit more playmaking responsibility. I'd love to see it. I still say with trae young. He's brilliant on the ball. That goes without saying. I mean averaging nearly thirty points is such a young player in the last couple of years and the the ability create for others is is elite but to take that next stop. I think offenses nowadays the best offenses can beat you in different ways and have different guys who can simple say but shoot passenger bill. You know just the basics of offense and if you have a number of those guys who can do that trae young is going to have to make himself a threat off the ball. He's already a threat to shoot from thirty four feet if he can also become a guy who can run off a screen and come off a hand off during a three. I would love to see trae. Bring the steph qualities his game more so than be like the harden or be the dame he can do that too and it's no knock against those guys but for atlanta when you have a six foot one hundred eighty pound point guard. I love to see some more variety with how they use them in a guy like bogdanovich. That's sort of what you need. That sort of what you want next to trae So for them. I think that's on trade adapt and embrace that but also for macmillan push them in that direction and maybe maybe when you're winning more games it's easier to have a guy like trae young as good as he is to accept that responsibility and embrace that responsibility more so than if you're losing and you feel like you got to do it all yourself as a young player so hopefully like for atlanta. That's the next step. I think it has to be for them. To thrive someday in the future and the and the postseason actually quite enjoyed last night's game with the thunder and i was like. Oh why why. Am i having more fun watching the hawks tonight than usual. And then i looked and i saw that trailing took four free throws and i was kind of wondering whether or not you felt like nate. It was maybe stripping a little bit of trays balancing out of him. I hope not. I mean if you're a hawks fan even if it's going to watch a fan there's certain calls where it's like the nba should never call that. The rules are what they are your hawks fan. You should be trying to get him to. The free throw is much as you. I wasn't there a little tidbit about like a coaches call. Like lloyd pierce like. Oh yeah really like. I hate when guys are looking for foul repudiation of his own ties player exactly. That was that in the story. Yeah i mean. I think i mean the rules. Their that's on the nba to change. How games are officiated. Players should do everything they can to get the free throw line as i think personally. Are you happy that the hawks kinda stuck to stuck to their guns era. I mean they'd they'd obviously decided that there should be a coaching change. But we've seen a couple of teams not throw up a white flag but like you know because they have ticked protections that they're concerned about like say houston or they've been ravaged by injuries. Or you know. Like cleveland in the way that. They've kind of handled their their veterans on their team i. I'm kind of impressed that the hawks just like really you. We're making the playoffs by hooker by brooklyn coach. Whichever coach has to be here if we have to trade john collins or whatever the case is like we're making a push for the postseason this year in a in a kind of soft underbelly of the eastern. We can do that. I i wish more teams had like their fight. You know yeah. I mean i think it with atlanta is still look at them and i think what their future more than anything else. It's it's our. How bright is the future. It depends so much on camera. Addition deondraye hunter. What those guys. Become a the leap. We've seen hundred take this season. I mean even when atlanta went atlanta's bad like a week ago you look at that team's deandra hunters development as a real bright spot even though he was out and with cam radish. The struggles are worrisome. It's hard not to watch camera thing. Is this guy ever gonna figure it out offensively. He showed some flashes towards the end of last season but fell apart again the beginning of the season just like he did the beginning of his rookie year but camera. Tish the guys slink has brought in makes sense around trae young deandre hunter and cam radish guys who can defend multiple positions. You know play a low maintenance role for you on offense but also have the upside to be guys that handle the ball a lot more than they are three and style role player. Cameron are has that potential. He has the ability to be a playmaker. It's about improving handling and proving shooting off. The dribble and with hunter is already done that in year. Two or three so with these guys. They do have a bright future. I still look at trae young though. Chris and i'm like he's in for a rude awakening someday in the postseason and someday might be a couple of months from now when they on it. Yeah that's in. The postseason is where you really find. The opposing offense hunting for matchups and that is a lot of exposure for a guy if he's not ready for it because if if teams like brooklyn or whoever decide to play wacko trae as their offense and they just you know run and ours until they get on him. He's going to be given up like forty two points a night on national television. And it's gonna be rough so we'll see what happens with that. I was curious about that. Reddish and hunters because i remember when those picks happened if feeling like schlink was almost drafting for role players and fit rather than absolute maximum upside. Obviously some mixed results hunters incredible when healthy reddish. We just talked about has has some work to do. But as you just as you're as you're working on the draft guide now and you think a lot about how teams go about putting together their drafting philosophies. I was curious what you thought of. The way schlink has made picks last year. I think the logic makes a lotta sense because with those guys camera dash for example. It's so easy to see cameras fitting into a three year old. Where all he does is simple. Offensive responsibilities are catching shoot attack. Closeouts make the right pass. If it's open and play your best defense. Radishes already very good defensive player having but he has that side of the floor covered so with atlanta. You have a baseline everything i just said about. Reddish applies to hunt. Even though he's a little bit older now he still has upside. And we've seen that upside this year with hunter improving on the ball creating his own shot so for slang out assume his logic was. Let's get guys who could fit in at the least as role players next trae and s- give him the defensive support that he will need a trae young like you said he's going to give up. Possibly in certain games forty points casinos are just going to attack him relentlessly atlanta's going to be scrambling in ways that we saw the celtics two years ago with isaiah thomas remember the celtics during his mvp fifth mvp. They had have these weird unique switches where he was kind of like zoning off ball avoiding everything they could to get him out of those screens. That's what atlanta will have to do with trae but when you have all the defensive support around him you can do that. So which like did make sense like their roster on paper makes sense with their young is even the guys they signed with bogdanovich. For reasons we talked about earlier. So i like what atlanta's done. I mean a given the circumstances and giving like how the challenges are building around trae by it still comes to trade to me more than anything else. And how he evolves. We have a week until the trade deadline. If you're sh linked to do anything did you make any moves in is collins. were thinking about. I think it's worth thinking about. I'm not sure we'll see a move actually happening here. Because i really like john collins for all the same reasons with fit around trae. He's a runner. He can shoot threes for you a still only twenty three. I still think his defense can improve the over. The course of time he can play with capella or without cappella that versatility playing too big lineups or is the loan. Big matters a lot so the defenses to get better and there's maybe better fits then then having him but it's not a bad fit by any means. So what's the offer out there that makes it worth it. Where's the multiple first-round draft picks for this young player. That's averaged nearly twenty points in the last three years. Where's that offer that you can't say no to. I don't think it's out there and neither do any of these xers. I talked to this past week. Or so about what atlanta might do because there were rumors with collins that like the wolves were interested in him. Like a real like they. They almost alex likes them. Two thousand six the number of teams that like john collins curious whether or not like i move for atlanta signals a certain amount of confidence in where that roster is right now versus like you know if they stand pat are we are we to take it. That schlink is like. It's probably not a playoff win for us this year. Like making the play absolutely be would be enough I'm not sure. I'm not sure those moves were even out there. I know i know silly to say but like guys out there right now on the trademark. Swing things you have to do. Mismatch choice we go on pods and stuff and this is all we want to talk about. But i am not seeing the the title sweet. I'm not seeing this all rasheed wallace. Deal out there right now. it's not. It's not a and even kyle lowry kyle as a sixers fan chris. Like you've heard the name kyle lowry. But then there's the allow no he's actually not getting traded. You know like harrison. Barnes has been out. There is named for like you know thinking about these teams in the middle of the east. The celtics going for harrison. Barnes well sacramento. I don't want to train harrison barnes bowls by not even trade thaddeus young. So like you have all these teams that could theoretically unload some veteran players could help teams that wanna contend and yet it's not happening and i think that speaks to the addition of the play in tournament this year would those nine and ten getting opportunities to face the seven and eight seeds. Get in you know the postseason sneak in maybe make a run or at least get some playoff exposure playoff experience so more teams feel like they're in it atlanta felt like they were in it and now they're suddenly pushing for the foresee there the evidence that you are in. It was just a couple weeks of good basketball. So i would imagine unless things true change over the next week. It could be a not a quiet deadline. You'll see guys moved but not agree with a lot of headlines. Yeah it's just too many people out there looking for jae crowder and there's only one jae crowder you know what i mean like. There's a lot of desire for ab- defensive wing that can shoot a little bit. I don't know if there are enough. Resources kept thank you so much for joining me today man. It's always a pleasure thank you.

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HR 3: MVP Performance

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HR 3: MVP Performance

"Last night lebron. James and other great performance led the los angeles lakers by charlotte and Lamelo ball was excellent last night. Twenty-six really really. Well and. I think that by anthony edwards. The kid we saw on tuesday night for minnesota had forty two points a career-high forty two. In leading the wolves to an upset win over phoenix. And i think this weekend. Mace is where we're gonna find out. Just how much the lakers can win without. Ad because these are two good teams. I don't know if this is common knowledge to people and lana fired their coach. Lloyd pierce on march first right since they fired him there seven in. Oh wow nate mcmillan the longtime. Nba veteran coach was installed. He was lloyds top assistant. He was installed as the head coach. They have not lost a game. In march they're seven and tomorrow twenty one and twenty. They're above five hundred right after firing their coach. You know you always hear. There was a lot of talk after they fired lloydpest. Well lloyd. pierce didn't get a fair shake. Obviously they didn't like him. The player said after he was fired that they didn't get along with them they didn't like methods. Say bring in a new voice. And the hawks have just taken off. the lakers. Play the hawks tomorrow at twelve thirty. It's a saturday day game which we haven't had yet this season but the hawks are in town. They're gonna play the lakers tomorrow. Twelve thirty and they're gonna play the clippers on monday night but tomorrow. Twelve thirty s. A real test for the lakers remember earlier. In the year the lakers were involved in a very close game in atlanta. That came down to the final minute. Anthony davis did play in that game. Eighty had twenty five. And that was the courtside karen game. Yes remember where that that one guy down. Low with lebron. Yeah so tomorrow. The hawks are playing much better than they were a month ago. Are going to give the lakers a real test. Then after that race the lakers hop on a plane. They fly to phoenix and they played the suns in phoenix on sunday night. That is also going to be a little bit of the sons are gonna be mad. They lost to minnesota last night. Who's the worst team in the league. And there's a little revenge on the lakers part because when the suns were here about a week and a half ago devon booker got thrown out and phoenix. Beat the lakers anyway. So that's that'll be a real game sunday night at seven o'clock so two huge games coming up for the lakers over the next two days so i wanted to ask you something Now there are two nba teams that have been fully vaccinated. One is the atlanta hawks. The other one is the. Oklahoma is the new orleans. Pelicans so new orleans atlanta have been completely vaccinated at least gotten their first shot. That did you see that the nba is doing something interesting. There incentivizing players to do like their loosening the rules for players that get fully. Vaccines can have visitors. You can eat it outdoor restaurants right and If if you're around teammates that have been vaccinated. You don't have to wear your face masks all kinds of stuff. I mean i think this is really important in getting the country back on track. Is these vaccines. And i'm glad to see that there are two. Nba teams who've had their teams fully vaccinated. Now it you know. Hopefully we reach a point where we don't have to worry about at protocol stuff by the way if you if you have a vaccine in the nba. If you both your shots you no longer have to participate in daily testing. You no longer have to participate in contact tracing. You don't need any of that stuff. I can't imagine would not want to get one. I couldn't i with you but let me ask you this after you get your second shot which is coming up. Yeah next saturday okay. So is there any way you can prove you've been vaccinated other than your word like well is there. Is there a bar code that you can put on your phone or is it. Because if you could then maybe that's the way we get fans fully back into arenas like you get a barcode on your phone that has proof vaccination and you're able to flash your phone at the staple center and then you go right in. You know what i mean. Yeah no. I've makes perfect sense of passport of some kind well talking about airlines. Maybe only allowing people who've had both vaccines has had both accedes. I think your mom has to yeah. I don't think they gave her that. Don't think i've got a little vaccination card that they're gonna fill out. But i would imagine that could probably be easily duplicated but there is a little car. Yeah if they haven't done it yet. I mean because part of the sign up for getting the vaccine. You gotta give me your email address part. Maybe maybe they do it through email or maybe it's a government program. I don't know but that seems to make a lot of sense to me. Yeah it does it does and it would affect things like Dodgers games and it would affect things like getting into the arena for the playoffs. All of that stuff mean if if you can demonstrate. You've got both shots. I don't know why they wouldn't allow you and you still wear a mask and all that stuff. i think. We're all going to be wearing masks for a while. There are some people that that when we say that you. And i say we wouldn't mind wearing masks even after we're vaccinated that kill us. Oh you what's what's your problem. Massar jokic does need mass. So it's mass is still going to be well. The people are killing us or stupid right. This is to be people. Well i mean. I can't say that. But i mean look at. The last. Election cycle showed you all signs of life in this country. There are a lot of people that don't wear mass millions. I would say so are there. You think there are millions of people. That are not wearing masks. I think there will be millions after vaccinations that think they're not necessarily part of life. I mean how many how many what did he call like. Karen the days did we have. Oh we had a bunch. A bunch people in hardware masters. Yeah i mean and there are a lot of people that say. I won't get the vaccine. Don't get that. I just don't i want to make life easier on yourself in the nba. They're making it almost punitive to not get the vaccine like your life is going to be much more difficult if you don't get it. So maybe that's the way you do it. Yeah i i wanted to bring this up. Hardest partying states. So this is according to a magazine called best life. Okay so is does. This incorporate like college like wait includes. Here's what it includes percentage of adults who report excessive drinking number of bars per capita galley gallons of alcohol consumed per capita percentage of adults who use cannabis and how many party schools are in the state. Okay so this is actually just the regular people plus the schools. I'm well versed in the subject. Because i've traveled for twenty years in all these different american cities. So i'm going to guess that you want me to the top. One of the top five just guessed the top one. I want and i think number one is tough. Here's here's what i'm going to. I'm going to give you my theory and you can tell me where if i'm going wrong. My guess is it's in the middle of the country. Yes okay like chicago is a crazy party town right. But i don't know if illinois is going to be the biggest party state i've never seen people drink like places like iowa nebraska. Mike president went to college in wisconsin. He said it was just like four years of drinking. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go with a place where there is nothing to do but drink. Give me iowa for the win. Iowa number six not bad not bad nebraska is number is one of them to code is. There's the drinking the dakotas north dakota's number two south dakota's number five. So you're on the right track. Where one's family hails from wyoming is number four. All right so. I figure it has well. Kentucky's were all the whisky places are no kentucky okay. I'm gonna go in. They'll give up if i don't get this okay either. Colorado which is very liberal or wisconsin. Where all they do is drink. It's got to be one of them. Wisconsin is number one. So i got it on the sixth guests number one party. State followed by north dakota montana. Wyoming south dakota iowa ohio pennsylvania vermont and rhode island and rhode island. People from wisconsin can drink. Never get into a drinking contest with anybody from green bay. You'll yeah tagged by the way green bay. Wisconsin is the number one drunk est city in the united states. So nobody's more drunk people in green bay and by the way. Oh claire is number. Two appleton is number. Three madison is number four. That's thomason in in. The country are in the state of wisconsin. Wisconsin yeah they. That's i can see that. Yeah i thought it would be iowa. Concert makes sense. Yeah miss wisconsin. I by the way. That's one of the reasons i'm rooting for. And if you're just tuning in and you haven't heard if you have filled out brackets. Chances are you're bracket is busted because ohio state a number two seed that i had going all the way to the final four has been eliminated by oral roberts. Stupid buckeyes fifteen over to you. Hardly ever see a fifteen over. A two yeah. I think it's only happened like ten times. Yeah it has. Here's a question for you. Mace has sixteen ever defeated a one. i'm going to a no. It just happened two years ago. It did virginia the year before they won the tournament as a one and they got knocked out by a sixteen and that. But it's only one time ever up until two years ago and it never happened and then once and went on to win it. Yeah i coming up next for. Mvp race in the nba. Where does it stand right now. Morales by the way the only time. I ever see the guy in pictures is. He's on a golf tee somewhere. Smoking a cigar with travis. Roger sub standard issue photo on instagram. Yeah it's trevor travis. Ireland four is coming up in a couple of weeks and my wife by the way. Happy birthday to my wife lisa. Today's are happy she But my wife has banned me from commenting on chris's weight every time every everytime she meets chris she says. Hey that guy says you're all you do is talk about his weight. You gotta shut up. So i'm no longer allowed to even respond to what we're gonna do a little bit at the bottom of the hours. Chris morales mentioned so lakers win. They beat charlotte. they've now one four two since coming back from the all star break and lebron is planned out of his mind as we've come to expect over years last night lebron was asked on potentially winning another. Mvp award for me personally to mvp. I try to be that every night. From and being available to them And being the best player on the floor every night in all. I mean just being you know you rewarded rewarded. It is something that means something for sure. I'm not going to sit here and say it doesn't mean anything to me and for me to be able to win a few times in my career is always miss special and being in a running or here my name With some of the best basketball players in the league this year again it would mean a lot at my age What i'm able to do what i've been doing this whole season You know what brains at a table every single night on both sides of the floor It would mean a unbelievable arson had point of my career. So we see what chips may. Yeah lebron once that thing he wants that thing and as he should and at this moment i think you know in my mind is i look around. I thought embiid was picking up steam and was the front runner at one point barely for the mvp race in the minds of the writers are going to make that decision in the minds of vegas but now embiid is out for a few weeks. Lebron is only missed one game. There's some heat behind hardened but he missed games at the beginning of the year and went through the whole. I want traded thing. I think at this moment if they held the election. The election held the election today. I believe lebron james would win. Okay now i'm very biased. But clinton yates is joining us right now and clinton let me start with you. Because i think it's an absolute lock. Lebron wins mvp. But i see him play every game this type of thing you guys kick around on around the horn if you had an mvp votes who gets it a vote. It would be lebron. If i had a vote as to who i think will get the vote. I think it will be joel. Embiid i think that this year. We're in a situation where you know. How narrative story every year you know right once it who deserves it. Who hasn't had one. Whose turn is it. Takes out of the mix. In my opinion. I also think it gives a little bit of a to james harden. Unfortunately i think there's a decent amount of people that look at. How exited houston and say okay. You're really going to have to show us something more in terms of than level. He's gotta be above everybody else to get it and i think that impede if he can find his way back to you know get back on the court and get back to what he was doing and the sixers are in the position of winning the east. Potentially i think it's gonna be hard tonight to give. Okay now. let me give you some info that might change your opinion over you. Just tell me if this matters in history of the nba. Mvp only one guy ever. Who's missed twenty games or more and embiid's gonna miss twenty games at least has won the. Mvp was bill walton. In one thousand nine hundred seventy seven the award normally goes to somebody who has the best player on the best team who was kind of their consistent rock the fact that he's gonna miss more than twenty games you don't think cost them the mvp. I don't think it's going to cost it. I was going to cost them as if his team isn't as good when he's not there. Which in one of those weird paradoxical ways could work for him you know. If he's out assert yeah maybe look at as reasonable and say okay well. He was hurt but he was that dominant and the team that good with him. Sometimes that can help your cause because people look at you and say oh you want value. There's value so look there's one guy served over another. That's so hard to tell in the nba and lebron again could have won it every single season. He was in the nba on some level. But i don't think it's going to happen this year yet again. Unfortunately because you see how the team's done without and you kind of look at it and say. Oh no but i think embiid would be a worthy worthy winner. In my opinion. I tha clinton yates is with us. Mason in ireland seven ten. Espn if you're just tuning in and you've got brackets pass along the information Seven seed florida over ten seed. Virginia tech texas tech a six seed beat utah state. Arkansas blew out colgate. That was john's upset special. With light bracket it's ruined their completely busted. Clinton awful the ultimate bracket buster. Oral roberts a fifteen beating number two seed. Ohio state. John and i both had ohio state in the in the final four and loyalist chicago and eight seed beats georgia tech a nine seed so sister. Jean gets another run in the sun as the the superfan for loyal chicago. Now you fill out your brackets clinton. What who's your champion. So i just woke up from a nap because i was doing things all morning and i'm just now hearing that i definitely at ohio state in the final four as well as all three of us in the final four was michigan. Still alive clinton. We'll see we'll see how that goes. But i also had a i also had got. Yeah i mean here. Here's the deal for me at this point to be very honest guys. I fill out the brackets because of just call professional duty but at this stage of my life. I don't care about the brackets anymore. Man i love these these upsets. You know what i'm saying like i'm wrong so be it. You know what i mean. My goal is to watch the tournament especially this year and see as many fun. Things happened as possible. So yeah the brackets busted. I mean you know who knows. These things are so up and down as it is. I always have a good time at this stage of my college. Basketball fan life through march through march no matter if i brackets buster. Not so i'm want some more games tonight. That's fun so clinton two weeks from today we will be in the second day of baseball season. Baseball season opens thursday. The first were less than two weeks away from the start of the season for me. This is like the the very best time of year i get. So that's that's one of the byproducts of the. Ncaa tournament is that. I know as soon as it ends. It's time for baseball season. How excited are you for baseball. I'm very excited. Remember when i came on a couple of weeks ago when pitchers and catchers reported and you guys clown me. Because i was talking about college baseball. I'm so excited that albion college baseball game on opening day that i am yeah. Lsu plays vanderbilt. There's gonna be a lot of pros on that field. Sec network if you wanna check it out in our family of networks so i'm very pumped go on for a couple of different reasons number one. I like the fact that it doesn't seem as if a lot of the players that i've talked to so far are like super bothered about the fact that they're back. There was a little bit of the labor dispute. We were sort of concerned about what was going to happen. The health issues. I think in terms of the way the rest of the nation has gone forward vaccination wise regulation wise. I think people will just genuinely excited. It's almost one of those things where you don't want to get fired up because you never know but it. It's it's almost weird for to fear normal. That's if that makes sense cds or announced they're going to have people back in the stands which you know we hope everybody can do safely. But overall i am super pumped. Listen the actual race this year. Gentlemen we know this. Well well alright. Lsu's at vanderbilt in nashville. No i'm going to baton rouge. I've been to the i've been to the it's it's two weeks from now. I've been to the stadium in nashville. It's a fun place checkout. Are you work in these games or you. Just go fun. i'll be covering it like. I said there are probably going to be sick. Professional players on the field who start between both of those teams every day. So yes absolutely so. I wanted to ask you an aside question here. They have a net. Flicks is going to begin cracking down on people that share their passwords. Clinton are you a guy that has your of your own. Can i give you guys a test case. yes okay. so i subscribe to net flicks. I use it. My wife uses it and i. I'm pretty sure. I can't remember if i signed my mom up for her own account or if i just gave her my sign in she does not live in the house with us. She lives in a different city. Is that cheating that trying to crack down on that. She's a master criminal. I would obvious no. Ib the criminal for sharing my password. Both of you should be behind bars. Obviously yeah walk among them up because wait. She's in my family true. Yeah but it doesn't work like that it's my household you just can't give it out to everybody in your family there people. Especially that's it. That's the only person i've given it to. Yeah all my gen z friends. They've got like one password that all of them us right. and that's what. Netflix is going to crack down on. Will they will they crack down on guys like me to give the give their netflix. Sign into their mom. They myrna is going to be on a wanted poster about rona count. I'd do it for my brothers and sisters for my brothers and sisters. I have two sisters and a brother and my sisters older two are others are younger. And so like i pay for the tv. You know what i mean like. It's as simple as that guys. You guys all live in the same household. No no certainly not. We don't to live in the same household. But i mean to me. I'm with you on this. One ireland i think the household is a loose looser definition. As in like it's entirely plausible. That your mom lived with you guys. You know what i mean or whatever. The case may be like you shouldn't be locking people out because they're not in the same four walls in my opinion. Now if you've got thirty people on you log in. That's probably a little bit problematic. You know what i'm saying like obviously netflix's losing out on dollars here but that was also always liked the fun. Part of netflix's is that you could share it and people would be like no big deal you know. They don't wanna lose that sort of crowd of people that thought that netflix were like the cool camp. Because you were allowed to share loggins and that's why people watched it so. Is it really worth it to crackdown. I don't know we'll see clinton. Here's the thing i am. I'm trying to decide this for myself. I don't know the answer so right now. They're services you got to pay for you. Gotta play pay for netflix peacock apple. Prime paramount hulu espn. Plus now. i've got the bundle. The hulu disney plus bundle. Espn plus. i'm not sure what that was but it comes back to disney who in espn plus you get. The bundle bundle is very common. But how much of the rest of those you paint. Netflix's you gotta pay for prime. You gotta pay for i am. We'll prime grandma or your amazon. Prime comes with your membership but i'm not paying for paramount. Whatever and i'm not paying for peacock whatever. I get heat shock and i don't pay for it. There's a free plan in pay plan. So here's what i do. Okay so i. This is because i am a bit of a degenerate and as you know working in the television industry as you guys understand very much. I watch a lot of tv. Yeah my largest easily non rent expense because they don't have a car yet still got a car. That's going to happen because the world reopening my easily. My biggest non rent expense is telling programming. I have no i. I can't live in a world where i can't watch something. That's just like one of those things where i have turned into that human that adult. Where if it's on television on a screen. And i want to watch it. I have to be able to access it immediately. Otherwise i go insane so i have everything. I have all sports packages. I have all the stupid channels. Have all of the daegu on sign ups. I have all. I way too much money. Name not follow my lead. I'm worse than you. I think i think one day. Let's compare cable bills and see which one of us is the bigger idiot. Because it's me. Yeah that's possible. But i watch all so i you know to me. It's worth it because the value being able to see whatever i want whenever i want is worth every dollar from me all right. Hey clinton thanks a lot for coming out. We'll do this again soon. Excited for baseball season looking for chopping it up with you man absolutely guys. I wrote a column about that commercial. Scoop there wanted to ask you about that. I love that commercial. So what what. Those guys were just minding their own business and somebody reached out to him. Yeah i mean there was. There was an ad. I mean there was a sketch back in the day on. Snl from justin timberlake where he did a similar bit where he was. He was dressed up as like an instant ramen. Package singing scoop. They're super heritage. Excuse me yeah for money. And that's stuck and what what happened was and you can check out the columbine you guys get a go but what happened was the guy who one of the guys who writes for this company. He saw this remembered it and when they went to tag team sort of separately to try to do it. Taxing hurt soup there. They were like maybe but not really. That's when he wrote the fateful words french vanilla rocky road chocolate peanut butter cookie dough and so history amazing stuff. They are a big hit. A big revival all right. Hey clinton thanks for coming on them. We appreciate it. No now guys have an excellent weekend. Glad to hear from you cool. I coming up next on. I mentioned this actually. I didn't pay this tees off yesterday. I wanna make sure we paid off today. This issue of fat shaming. I'm trying to learn new language. And i want you to help me with it And then we've got games coming up for you after that mason ireland seven ten. Espn we are less than two weeks till the start. Baseball season excited about that. Nc double a. tournament. Going on if you had ohio state in the final four. Just we'll we'll spare you. Don't look at your brackets. Thing is broke oral. Roberts beat them today and the lakers couple of big games this weekend. John atlanta tomorrow during the day. A twelve noon twelve thirty s the tip and atlanta has won seven games in a row. They fired their coach and replaced him with nate mcmillan. Mcmillan is now seven. Oh as the head coach of the atlanta hawks. Why mr really disliked that. Other guy had but and then sunday night there at phoenix and phoenix is going to be bent because last night. They lost to the worst team in the league minnesota. So big weekend for the lakers in the last time. Phoenix played the lakers. Devon booker got objected in the third quarter. And still the the lakers were. Were the lakers able to win that. Nope never booker ejected in phoenix. One yeah and they were unable to get it done so the rematch of that is sunday night at seven. Okay so actor. Jonah hill is a surfer and about a week ago the daily mail which is one of those british Tabloid papers they publish pictures of him. Taking office wetsuit. Now jonah has a regular guy body. He is not chris hemsworth and he thinks they were trying to embarrass him trying to body shaming by putting these photos in the daily mail. He says. I don't think i ever took my shirt off in a pool until mid thirties. Even in front of family and france probably would have never probably would have happened if my childhood insecurities weren't exacerbated by years of public mockery. Abou- my body by press and interviewers. So the idea that the media tries to play me by stocking me while surfing and printing photos like this. It can't phase me anymore is dope. I'm thirty seven and finally love and accept myself. This isn't a good for me post and it's definitely not a feel bad for me post. It's for the kids who don't take their shirt off at the pool have fun. You're wonderful. An awesome perfect all my love. Okay so we have over. The years called many people fat. I think you have called me fat. You have been fat. I have been fat as recently as two months ago. You were a fat guy. Yeah as recently as august. I two to seventeen. I was definitely fat now but can you not use the term fat anymore. What division games. The term fatwa. You're using it to my whole motivation in calling you. Fat was to get you to stop eating donuts and eat healthier. I believe it was just to make fun of me but okay yes but that by making fun of you is how is how i got. You motivated saying you calling me. Fat was the reason. I got thin. No everyone calling you. Fat is the reason. I think it can be a motivator. I would imagine that there are some people who don't want to hear it but if like all my friends everyday i'm friends with i'm completely comfortable saying hey man except for morales who apparently has a complex. I say i can say. Hey man what's going on with your weight. No you'll say that to people. I did it to someone residing at such an inappropriate question. But hey what's going on with your weight yet words if you're getting fat if you're good enough friends you can say. Hey man i don't want you have a heart attack what's going on with your weight. Really sure that's a rough question. Well you got it depends how well you know somebody. I could say that to you. I would be a totally comfortable saying that to you. Hey man what's going on with your weight. I don't want you to drop dead in like walking down the street to go get donuts. What are you doing. But it's not like it used to be like you can't say that's a big say that to someone. I don't know like i could say that like. Let's say a coworker that. I'm not really friends with i. Couldn't say like i'm trying to think. Hey berkeley actually did say. You did say bergman. He walked away and said how much do you weigh. I've put on a little covert weight. But bergen worked with us. So i consider him so one of the one of us. You know. we can goof on bergman wednesday. What about this idea of calling. Somebody fat is that just over. You can't do that anymore. I think it depends. I don't know i would never do that anyway. Because it's something that. I was always super self conscious about so. I don't think that's something that i would ever recommend doing. I ll it also depends on what your relationship is like with that person. Yeah true you know if you don't know like i'm really really close with my sister. We're like best friends. But i would never ever ever say anything about her weight. Ever why because. I would never wanna hurt her feelings. But you got to help the same my. I don't say anything to my brother about weight. Is your brother point. My sister is overweight and it is unhealthy. But i would never say that to her. Yeah i would say my brothers on the unhealthy. Yeah but i mean it depends where your motivations coming from. They're always ways to express. It could be inappropriate. You could just say Hey i want to talk about something and it may be sensitive. But i want you to know i care about you and i'm coming at you from this angle. Big leads points straw. I couldn't because if somebody's overweight to the point where you think that you need to say something to them. They definitely know that they're overweight. Because if you say something to them they already know so. You sing something. That i'm only going to make them feel bad about themselves. Second make them do anything differently because they you know what i mean like. If they wanted you. I think they would or if they could. They could all right. Listen because even text we got attacks from our friend at heart who says comment on my weight and our friendship is over. A lot of people probably feel that way coming up next for you is game of games. It is ireland's game today. Yeah game games time. It is sponsored by power pro plumbing and heating powerful professional forcible who they are it is in their name. Their our plumber. They wanna be yours to call one eight hundred five eight four forty one sixteen or visit power pro plumbing dot com so far in the month of march it is. It is very one sided. I shouldn't say that ireland lindsay is one six times. Ireland is one five me and ramona to to whore. Hey one and michael thompson yet to scratch. It is john's game today and john. What is the game okay. The ncaa tournament is going on right now as we speak. Yep i have a list of where all sixty eight teams that made. The tournament are located. So i have a quiz. It's multiple choice. I'll give you three cities you tell me where the school is located. Okay okay lindy or hey and mesa all right here. we go. Appalachian state is located in a vicksburg. Tennessee be boone. north carolina or see buchanan west. Virginia lindsay vicksburg. Boone or buchanan gonna go with Buchanan okay go with be going boone. Mace vicksburg or buchanan. I'm gonna go buchanan whore. Hey takes the lead. Appalachian state is located in boone. North carolina okay number to eastern washington is located in a cheney washington be bellingham washington or see walla walla washington cheney bellingham or walla walla. I'll say be bellingham. Mace cheney bellingham walla walla and bellingham lindsay. I'm gonna say walla walla. 'cause i like to say well walla all three of you incorrect cheney washington by the way you guys know the most famous alum well. There's two famous alums from eastern washington. Do you feel like there's a quarterback from there. The two that i know of our cooper kupp colin cowherd. Those are the two people. I know that went to eastern washington. Okay one me nothing lindsay. Nothing right okay this when you go first. Mount saint mary's is located in a emmett's berg maryland be dover delaware or see colchester vermont. Abc dover delaware lindsay See a emmett's berg maryland. Be dover delaware. See colchester vermont. All right. we'll see lindsay's on the board. The answer is emmett's berg. Okay back to lindsey going. I i ona is located in a yonkers. New york be mount vernon new york or c. New rochelle new york lindsay yonkers mount vernon new rochelle newish l. 'cause i like the name. Okay i'll go see new rochelle mace. God i need a need a point. Here i'm going to go mount vernon the answer is new. Rochelle laurey both have to mesa zero. This one for you. Winthrop is located in rock hill. South carolina ardmore pennsylvania or owensboro kentucky. Home hey rock hill ardmore or owns burrow. It'd be going hard more mace. I am gonna go ardmore going to throw. Hey lindsay. i'm gonna go with the key. Never see owns broke kentucky. All three of you incorrect again. It's rock hill south carolina. All right liberty university. Mace your pick to be an upset today is located in a loretto kentucky. Be sued city iowa or see lynchburg virginia. Loretto sioux city or lynchburg mace. I'm gonna say lynchburg virginia. Okay lindsey part like eight. I'll be two different sioux city Whore hey takes the lead in knocks mason out whore. Hey has three. Lindsay s to whereas liberty liberty is in lynchburg virginia. I said that yet so but may set your first one and three. We're down to the last one. Okay okay so here. We go lindsay. You need this to stay alive for. Hey if you get it. And i'm gonna make you go i You win it okay. The team that ruined my bracket oral roberts university is located in a curry nebraska. Be tolstoi oklahoma or see cedar rapids iowa abc. Or hey i'll go see cedar rapids iowa. Lindsay hoffa got high. Gosh that is crazy. Okay so we will do a tiebreaker. And here it is drake university. Drake university is located in a lincoln. Nebraska be fort collins colorado or see do moines iowa linzie. Abc see or. Hey abc c. C. as. well you both got. It's going how it is located in jeopardy. Wow you guys are both very good at this. Okay we'll keep it going saint bonaventure. Saint bonaventure labontes. Okay the bunnies is it located in a philadelphia pennsylvania. Be allegany new york or see killington. Vermont whore hey. Abc although a killington vermont lindsay a. b. or c. I'm pretty sure i know this one. Because when i friends with their. And i'm pretty here's allegany lindsay lindsay eight bottle lopez. Saint bonaventure there. You go the bunnies. Lindsey takes more lead. Excellent work yet could work good work. Hey john jeff. Four week four hours. This weekend i probably don't i have to laker games. But what are you get zack. Snyder's justice league. Yeah i'm not into that stuff. Twenty seventeen movie that got remixed into a four hour version. It is so frigging great. It is on. Hbo max justice league movie. Oh it's great. it's great. It's got wonder woman batman superman the flash. It's really good enough types of our cut. I got justice. I get the ncaa tournament from morning until night. I got lakers hawks saturday day. I've got lakers suns sunday night. And then you're not here. Monday and tuesday so i got double the work monday and tuesday when i have another laker game. I have justice league. Time come on justice league by the way a shameless plug harry lennox. Who plays marsha man hunters on my Podcast right now. My culture podcast check it out. It's really good and right after the show today. Four twenty coming early. John four twenty. It's coming very very early today. And i'm gonna put on because it just started running today. Captain america and the winter soldier on disney plus to watch all these movies. You make time. I love movies okay. More department watch more stuff when you don't sleep. Yeah that's what. I usually watch. Where i'm not gonna okay more reaction by the way. It's the falcon in the winter soldier. That's the name of that. Show upset alert as upset. Alert number twelve oregon state takes down number five tennessee tennessee. A five always loses to a twelve. Yeah that's that's like an every year. I only pick tennessee to win one game. There aren't too bad there in the mid west region right now the standings and we've got two players in our pool that are ahead of all others. Jorge sedano and elsie granderson both have ninety nine. I think they've never game right. Ninety nine point nine percent then comes michael thompson. Wait a minute they picked. What your call. It they picked or roberts. Yeah they must have because they've got ninety nine percent of their picks rate. I can't imagine they picked oral roberts and then Comes michael thompson. Dr clapper greg bergman me and you did last oh no it keeps going after that guys. That are way worse thankfully me. We'll where are you. You must be behind me. And that's what i wanted to your lower than all of us okay. Yeah you're lower than all of us. I was just giving the standings it was george and elsie then michael thompson dr clapper than it. Goes bergman mason ireland. Those are the standings right now in the big bracket pool. Yeah i cannot finish below you. That's the only thing. I care about as long as i got. Basically the same picks. Yeah but you didn't. You didn't pick colgate. Like i know i didn't i didn't and i got ucla when in two games. You don't have ucla when into games. Now i had the ucla michigan state winner losing in the second round. So i mean that's now you gotta shot you gotta shot. I'm generally really good at these things. I'm an excellent gasser. One of the best as you know from the station you know. I'm an excellent gessler. You have had good luck in these things. Yeah yeah imagine anybody picked oral. Roberts come on come on. So i'm okay featured brackets george synonymous bracket. I'm gonna look this up right. Okay look there's no way he picked oral roberts to upset ohio state. I love the people that the companies will say sodano by the way sodano ran. Ohio state like we did all the way to like the final full. So why is he at ninety nine point nine percent in the standings not picked baylor he picked him to go to the regional. Final though yeah. I don't know that doesn't make any sense. Yeah the scoring the scoring the way that is setup. He picked the oregon state upset. Nice nice yes. Sadan is a good gessler. This is really just a test of your guests workability. Yeah of how good you can guess. Yeah so lakers. This weekend to matchups. Yeah named by the way. This is gonna answer the question. How good are they without. Ad because these teams they've been beating our teams. I think they'd be favorites against even without these teams. Like coming up atlanta's seven in a row real test and then at phoenix is a potential playoff preview. They're very good team chris. Paul the eight devon booker and so it's going to be very hard to go in there without a d. and win it all right there you have it. There's your mason in ireland for today. We are back on monday. When i say we i mean john is back. I'm taking a couple of days couple of well-deserved as a happy birthday on tuesday. Birth six and a half. You've heard birds and coming up next for you is sodano l z and cap. We'll see you back here next week. Mason ireland seven ten espn.

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"Great News there's a quick way you can save money switch to Geico Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price and it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance go to GEICO DOT com today and see how much you could save. The leg finally came to an end last night episodes nine and ten just a great couple of months a great couple of months worth of Sundays. I I'm not kidding. Guys generally disappointed that it's over. I know that the ten episodes is an incredibly generous gift. Giving all of us but I could use more I I could. I really got into the habit of Sunday at six o'clock. Turn on that TB. It'd be ready to go do it because I'm strong coming on late. After last we got blood. Yeah I'm not saying it's the same thing Arizona last hands but in terms of opportunities to see backstories that you didn't know get to see five network. I'm pretty soon and the other thing too that I don't believe I have done all the research but I don't believe Lance Armstrong's into involved in the production of this in terms of green lighting. What was what was it us so you might get some more scandalous stuff. That came out as well. That's coming up next Sunday. We finished up the last dance last night. Ten Part Docu series. That was amazing. Going through all of Michael Jordan six championships joining us right. Now somebody that was involved in of those championships on the wrong end with Seattle. George Karl Joining People's George. Good morning how are you? I'm good. I'm good very well Going WELL LAST. Vlad's last night the celebration last night and sunshine. That looks like the golf course. Can't can get handle me a little bit coach. I WanNa know what was going through. You guys is mind is coaching staff. When you played against the Bulls in a championship in elected to not for those first couple of games to not have cheap e on Michael Jordan. What what was that. Take me through that process. Ireland's a lot a lot to it. won the strategy. I don't know if you remember my Seattle teams that we switched to live and we doubled team the lot and we scrambled a lot. So the first thing is you talk about. The the editing is personal personality and end up personnel. They have Michael's number one. So there's a lot of guys on our team that had to cover you know from big guys on taking roles to double team situation. So and and other thing was nate. Mcmillan was hurt. Did Not play game one two and three and I did not have a backup point guards so going to Chicago and back then Michael was still getting the free throw line. You know the last thing I wanted was Gary Payton to get in trouble and then I think that the last thing that no one really knows about because we kept it pretty. Private dairy had a Low Low cast a lower caste bruce and and he was not totally one hundred percent so what we decided was a dairy the game. You know we're GONNA play you late on them and later in the series and plus you'll be on them a lot when you switch onto him and like that. The thing we lost with Gary Nunn on them early in the series was Gary had an edge in game for game five and we could use that psychological intensity the Gary brought to our team probably earlier in the series and maybe was when won a game and if we want one of the Games in the first three I think would have had a different rhythm and might have been it might have been the same result but I think the series itself would. It had different momentum. Slate a different rhythm to it coach. You know I I I actually really remember. The fact about nate McMillan not being injured or being injured. But what he did play. You guys were victorious. But there were other aspects to the series to that I thought was quite interesting beginning with you not greedy Michael Jordan and viewing that as a slight. That voted beatty. How I UNDERSTAND. The reports are that you've been told that might play head games and you didn't want to go to him because you weren't you. Were afraid of the head games. But in retrospect looks like you're in a situation right no question. I you know. It's twenty four years goes. I don't exactly remember this scenario but I did talk. I'm yeah we had on our staff. Brendan the loan. Who's assistant coach for the Detroit Pistons? And here's the guy told us that Michael likes to play head. Games like to use circumstance is closed situations to his advantage to make the series more personal and so he recommended me that I would go to Sam Perkins and a couple other guys in my team. That had good relationships with Michael and total. There'd be no frightening accident. No socializing no going out to dinner. Wasn't none no nope being being buddy buddy with him and so when I see him in this restaurant you know was Kinda. My idea was one. Do I go over and say hello and be a good more Carolina Fraternity Guy or? Do I stay with my team with the code that we sat down and I chose the latter and then also I don't remember exactly situation but Michael could've come to me to you know I? I know everybody expects me. I should go to Michael but Michael and I are tar heel guys and we're both. I think I'm I think Michael was the greatest competitor. I've ever competed against I look at myself as a pretty damn good competitor to so you know and I people can observe it read it interpreted and whatever way they want. I. I really think it's something is being magnified. The blown out of proportion. A little bit and You know we're young and right now. We probably need things. That kind of psych are interested in sports Jordan. George Krall joining us here on the morning show. Spring People Solid George like twenty four years ago. Will you got a chance to see this? We kind Kinda reliving it like. Oh maybe I should've tried this or maybe I should try that or you. Just kinda take it in the way that a lot of us are just kind of reminiscent about the NBA in the eighties and nineties I think there's coaches you're always second guessing you know and there's bad habits that were in. I've gone back and looked at a lot of my playoff games. You know a couple of assistant coaches at Zoom Zoom with each other and we watch actually went back and watched GOLDEN STATE AS GOLD STATE AGAINST UTAH. Much Charlotte Milwaukee Milwaukee and Philadelphia so. I've been watching a lot of playoff games and I'm I look at some of the Games I go. Wow I wasn't very good in that game. I mean I couldn't get my chain plan. Well art decent sucked and I. Yes I think you know you go back and look at games and and in Chicago series only looked at that game the thing we would really liked his name. A healthy nate McMillan nate play in game. Four and play in game five. They're not play that well. But when I saw was Gary Gary was the heart of our team and nate was the soul of our team and by soul. He's got it held us the debtor brought confidence to the table. The little things that coaches love and he had a way of kind of spiking Shawn and Gary to play at a higher level. And so I'm not saying we would have won the series but I think if they have been healthy and we would have our sold rotation That we had most of the season I think would probably been a little different series. Having watched the last dance coach and seeing all ten episodes. What stood out to you? The most you know the thing that stands out the most was the calmness and the mindfulness and then fullness that Phil Jackson brought to. That team was absolutely necessary. You had a different type of coach. That would've reacted. Maybe more emotionally more radically aggressively opinion. You know wanted his. I'm sure feel didn't like what your trump was but you never got the feeling that that that that chills action was really into dinning. Revenge mentality going in that conversation and I thought calmness all the way through to the final where they had that ceremony. The locked room burn that they write what they think of each other. And then they burn it That's a I think that's a native American kind of Symbolism that I think she'll probably learned when you lived in Montana and I just thought it was just really revealing. You know coaches most coaches. Look like they're sometimes too opinionated emotional so brought a columnist for that team that was absolutely necessary to handle data shrimp. Is it absolutely necessary to handle pippen situation absolutely necessary? The handle the conflict between sure. I mean there are things there that what does Horne most franchises apart. And maybe they would have one or two but they wouldn't have won six a coach. I I can't help but think about happy. You leave Seattle. You have great teams in Milwaukee have great teams in Denver but you weren't get back to the NBA finals back in ninety six. Did you think you'll be back? Yeah we the next year we had Sean Tampa contracts situation that got got the organization little disruptive and this is what I'm saying about organizations and lame their their their problems. And you know we. After that year Sean. Kinda he shot was always a really good player but it seemed like it really bothers him and and then you know we. Kinda Wally Walker. And I didn't get along very well and that kinda bothers some of some of the players that bothers some of the locker room. It's not that we didn't play well. We had wished electric years the next year next year years we never played this The highest highest peak that we could have played that so Yeah we you know. We wanted to say seven seven years in Seattle winning fifty seven games and we never got to the championship. Basically because we we had Michael Jordan and our in our face George Karl joining us here. On the sprint hotline. Teach John Elsie and Travis. And you know like you said coach that you go back and you look at old games you think about things. He could have done differently with the benefit of twenty four years of hindsight of thinking about this. If you were going to design a game plan to beat a Michael Jordan team what is it because six zero in the finals. Once he got cooked. Nobody figured out how to do that. What would you do if you could do it all over again? The thing you gotta realize From the very beginning we we actually didn't do a bad job on like we shot forty one percent. Dust every played them again. I would take forty one percent and not follow him as much. You got the free throw line way way too much in the first three or four names And a lot of his points came from the free online The one the one thing that no one talks about much in how great of a defensive team they were and I would probably work on my office more on. You know what was going to work. you know what matchups was better was better suited for us and maybe rotate the game differently. They did those matchups. And maybe you know for me We WE'VE BEEN START. Hausky until game for also I would have probably started my veteran guys. The play playing young and But you know that's a hard thing to really analyze right now. But those put probably area on Mike Orleans shares and then and then pull them off a little bit rather than not put him on them and put him on late at flipflopping. Put Him on early and maybe take him off as series one. Do you think Coach dead if the Bulls stay together that they would have ran it back for seventh championship. Did they have that in them? That's why think it's crazy to analyze it. Your team is two before it might be too old but I also think vaber fatiguing and and you know they were in the last two championships against Utah You and I think actually you know you can actually go back to the last four last again. The Series Against Phoenix series against Utah I think you know they. The winning four series is was getting tired. They were getting tired in the four series so I would probably say. I think they deserve the right to try to do it but I think they are running out of gas and I think maybe someone would probably. It's been interesting seeing. That was catching them. Most was Indiana and these things out of rather been caught though again. No question about it. Eleven hundred and seventy-five. Nba Wins as a head coach. George Karl joining us here on the morning show. George appreciate your time this morning. Thanks so much. Have a great day to you to enjoy the golf course. All right there's a whole bunch in there. Let's go back. Let's talk about some of the things that George Mentioned Eric. Particularly that he would have worked on his offense more going into that series and much less about trying to figure out what to do with Mike Jordan. That's on the morning show on seven ten. Espn that was interesting guys. Haven't that conversation with George Karl there and listening to him kind of run back the job that he did in the finals and talking about some of the other playoff series that he was involved in his head coach and he would look at them and say you know what I did not do a very good job right there but like all of us with the benefit of hindsight you go back and say yeah you know what maybe maybe. I should have done something a little bit differently here. I was really caught by him saying that. If we were GONNA play them again I would focus more on my offense because we did a pretty good job on him defensively. We just need to find a way to get some more buckets. Amin understand what he's saying about the the whole Gp Not being on him because nate McMillan and all that and he didn't WanNa time out. I can't it but you shoot you. Shoot your shot no matter what. Your best guy. Coaches are never going to admit mistakes. Because that's just not in the nature but clearly as you saw Gary Payton wasn't very happy with the situation. Not being able to be a part of the defense to to neutralize Michael Jordan. No matter what Michael Fill the aspect of a conversation that the little details that sometimes get lost and you look back on championship Lonzo Championship teams. You know I remember Gary Payton injury heading into the finals and you know that being part of the process is is rationale. And it just goes to show you whether you're talking nineteen ninety-six with the Sonics or you know twenty thousand nine hundred with the Golden State Warriors. You have to be lucky to be really good. Just isn't enough. You have to be lucky. And part of them look is having help or lead decent enough health to finish the job. And it's just it just reminds me of just how precious these opportunities you could see a great roster be constructed. That doesn't mean they're going to finish the deals. Lady luck on your side and expense Players Championship. Let alone a one yeah. I don't want to stay a cold. Call think that in the last four championships bulls of getting tired. I'm like how you get tired. What for the row. That don't lean sale right. How you look at a team is say. Oh they tie right now. You'll be able to compete next year. Then maybe it's not the actual physical exhaustion but much. More about just the attrition. That goes along with playing that deep. Because you look at you look at Lebron over the last eight years you look at the warriors like you just mentioned Ozzy that this Evan flow. Sometimes you're you're fired at a high level and sometimes they take just empty emotionally as much as anything else not even necessarily physically but you wouldn't take appearing in an NBA final. You worse appears course. Run into the playoffs. That's that's my whole point is even if you don't win it and you make a run at it like when the Lakers made our room when we put the super team together we was there but we lost it. We put the Super Team Together. But we were there. We was there with the super team so it could a worked until cardinal got hurt you think about the fact that you know even with Lebron James's eight consecutive appearances in the finals. You know that run was completely riddled with injuries. Know Kevin Love. Ed Kyrie. Didn't even you know really in that first. Final appearance with the cavs and the fact that had he stayed say he had stayed in Miami within Chris. Bosch went down unexpectedly with a blood clot situation. Like there's so much luck balls. Does this when championship but put why? But I'd rather take my chance to say you know what I ain't even GonNa try. That's exactly what I've been saying all morning. What you said right there is this is why I do not understand the Reinsdorf in the cross piece of this because it is so hard you need to have so much luck you need to have all these things kind of break your way at certain moments that And let's be honest for the Bulls for six of those eight seasons stuff was breaking their way. Not that it was a lucky but they were relatively healthy. They had the right coats they had the right store. The right start they said okay. That's enough that and if you look at it lutely roll it until it dies and if you think about it you can't possibly convince me and sell me on the fact you made more money in ninety eight ninety nine you did in ninety eight. You can't tell me that or two thousand. You can't tell me as a team owner. You may more money in those two years that you did in nineteen ninety eight when he was winning championship. You can't tell me that. Yeah so I'll just say how you arrive to. I don't want to do this. I don't know I do think the conversation all better yet to that you go a simple a team to make a run kid because these guys are getting older. So you're going to try to go young. It peaked that you win championships or did you. Just break this up Jerry Krause. Did you just do this because you wanted to? Stick it to everybody now. I believe that he was trying to voice a fate that happening to Boston. Celtics by keeping bird killing players too long and then the franchises really stuck because instead of you decide how to make moves father China's bathing or get that perspective the thing that's really interesting though. Is that remember that ninety eight ninety nine season was a fifty game season because of contracts situations and so you take thirty. Two Games off the schedule all of a sudden. Now you you got. Ot only have to play Fifty Danes? Obviously we didn't know that but I was about to ask you that those e I was about to say in in in June of nineteen ninety eight a barrier will be. Yeah it would be June ninety seven in June of ninety seven and ninety eight. They didn't know that the strike was taking place like that right right. That's what I'm saying. Hindsight yes they were owed. Having only to play fifty games go into the postseason would have been a benefit for them and look what they were seeks. That's what I'm saying. That seven anyone is seventy the last shot. They one is six. This is part of all they sent a broke down. Scottie Pippen to Houston in Houston ended up in Seattle and Portland so it was clear at nothing else. The number two guy was on a fast decline. That was clear he was but this is the whole point of this that we didn't know there's going to be fifty games. We didn't know what Scotty had left. We didn't know if Michael comes back and gets four in a row where he feels like physically wanted to see it the all of these things too just to decide. I understand the instinct to try to protect long-term that I you guys verbally say this over and over again. The the hardest job. I think that this there's any general manager is how do I win right now? And also not be leveraged to high hell coming five years from now. I need to be able to be good now in five years. And that's a really tricky position to be in and I get where Jerry crosses but at the end of the day. If you've got the right mix I'm GONNA keep making that team play until somebody gets us to Scotty breakdown. Maybe does Michael finally hit the wall after having to so many games in Soviet Times? Maybe you have an. I'm okay I can't law that and I'm not saying what all day let let them breakdown go ahead break down. It was fine broke down. We've gotTA move. We gotta start over but until that happens. I'm GonNa keep riding the Lakers kept. They keep writing. They wrote it to the end to the wheel fellow and then they put it in the shop. Let it rebuild. They came right back with the diesel in their in rantings course rebuilt with pile ran through its course now they rebuilding Willow Brandon ad. That's the model to me. The modeling six the model six and then all of a sudden just hit the detonator donor. I agree with you but even with the fifty game season. I'm not person this is just me. I think the spurs would have got regardless. But how could you say you never know? You'll never know you that just won the championship Michael Jordan. I mean they had Michael Jordan John. A only because spurs were so strong in the one area where the Bulls had been so weak. You gotta remember. They had they had two hall of Famers. Still Bowling at the center position. Basically Tim Duncan and David Robinson and that historically had been one spot the one spot and they could you talk to. Greg goes to tax up. This is just a junkie and second year. This is the first year Dunkin second chip Komo. Now there's still a lot more about the snub in the restaurant. George Carlin side of that story. Plus he mentioned that Phil Jackson was integral to that. Set is still getting enough credit through this whole thing. We'll do that next on the morning. Show on seven. Usps businesses around the world today isn't a restart. It's a think that's why they're partnering with. Ibm to change how they work from. Supply chain to customer service. Let's put smart to work visit. Ibm DOT com slash. Think to learn more short conversation with George Karl about twenty five minutes or so ago is interesting. 'cause he he went out of his way and then obviously. Phil Jackson comes through this documentary looking really good. Because it's a very Phil Jackson. Friendly show in the is always very measured and thoughtful and talking about. He's had Denis Society at Scotty side. Of course he had Michael Side he did not take a bunch of cheap shots at Jerry Krause so he comes out of this thing look and really well but do we him enough credit for not just you know the XS and Os and all the things that he does. He has to do his head coach but for managing that circus for as long as he did especially the second three peat Dennis Rodman because we saw last night in the middle of the finals. Dennis goes to hang out with Hogan and Russell. She wouldn't be able able as a head coach. Man You got to be able to know your personnel. You got to know who you dila with in s anything. It's in relationships. You know people say oh man. I didn't know that was did you when you bought that in the store. Did you read the ingredients and the instructions on the back of the box in? That's the thing is like oh I just bought it well. He knew the ingredients and he knew the instructions and how to follow him in. He understood. Exactly who Dennis was so he knew all along well. Dennis may at some point disappear on this for a few days. You understand that takes right. And they said they'd strategize lease you know he's only going for a few days so wasn't I'm not going to punish Dennis. I'M NOT GONNA make you run the bleachers astaire's. I'm not gonNA find him. I'M NOT GONNA do anything to tick him off because what we're trying to do here is all too goal is when a championship. And he's going to help us do that. Go as you can tell when they got back together. They say what they needed to say. Hey break go you big guys over there little guys over here and they kept moving. What no scalding tennis. What no nothing. Even Michael Jordan didn't even chime in if you noticed he chimed in the first time did as needed a vacation of acres. But he didn't chime in this say. Mj gave no commentary on Dennis. Rodman going where was the? Wwe At anyway is Michigan Man. He had no. He had no plans to have a conversation on camera about Dennis. Rodman going to Detroit. Look I pointed goodwin but it's one thing to understand that intellectual okay. I'm getting Dennis Rodman. I know what that means. He's unpredictable. He's unreliable when it comes to things that aren't gains. We kind of have an idea of what Dennis is. And then there's the reality of wait a second. We're in the middle of the finals. And he's he's not here where is he? He's wrestling with. Hope we what to not react negatively to the intellectual. You knew what you were getting into when it actually happens like I can prepare to be reasonable and call and then something happens that just blows my mind because then go into Vegas a couple of days okay. Whatever but it wasn't like but it's not finals he does not like he's now look you and I probably will react a certain way. But it's not like all of a sudden he can read it in mid air turned the plane around. Come Oh you right coach. I made a mistake. It turned the plane around. He probably that they probably even know today. Saw It oh highlights? It was like that's where he went when he comes back the Delaney ad last night. Were causing distraction until looks at the report. Says it's not a distraction for us. It's a distraction for you because they already knew because they already knew what they were dealing with so for them. It's like come on man and I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that has come up with Dennis along the way that they come on. We know what that is where the media sensation is it. Because it's a story and they WANNA take it drag it and asks you one Hundred Fifty Times a distraction. Any like no we. We just playing basketball. Are you need to know really about Phil? Jackson's legacy is that there are some all time greats. All time greats who? Espn has listed in the top ten greatest players of all time. Who couldn't win a chip until field showed up remember? We just talked about the spurs ninety nine. They swept Kobe and check on her way to their first championship before feel got there. How the hell you sweet? Kobe shack ask Paris like so and think about like Michael Jordan. Before before feel arrives they had you Jordan rules but even before Jordan rules Jordan suffered vide- seasons before he getting five hundred so when you talk about the influence of a coach you talk about what Phil Jackson brought to the table. He brought more than jets philosophies and understanding he brought championship mentality. He told he taught some of the greatest players to ever pick up the basketball check koby. Mj How to win. Well and Michael in particular look. I'll be honest. The whole Zen thing that Phil was putting out there for a long time. I always thought there was a bit of a put on with that but it was good marketing. It was a good angle to take. Because he was. The guy was doing a little bit differently than everybody else but watching the way that those bulls players reacted to him watching the way that he could. You heard Michael say that the very end last night that Phil had an unbelievable gift to get everybody to buy into the process. Eat cluding Michael Jordan if you can get Michael Jordan to buy near program and everyone else is a part of that that is true genius that to get the most competitive ruthless brutal guy into go to say you need to back off on this guy. We need you to do a little bit more of this. We need you to involve your teammates and to get that kind of listen in that moment. It's extraordinary well. What happens is though I mean. Travis is coaches skin on the walls. They can get you to do a whole lot of things. You Ain't got no skin wall mental telling me nothing. Okay when you keep preaching the same thing because eventually that noise gets drowned out. We get tired of hearing the same thing. But if you win and you won championships. It's easier in like Michael. Jordan did not feel Jackson and the beginning. I don't know if you remember that and right sure but once. She started winning. It's like okay. I see what he's talking about and I do it that way and I'll be able to do this and I could get a chip cool no problem but when it's not working it's like get out of here. Larry Brown. Don't nobody WanNa hear all that old school noise you know Larry. Brown was put up chips every other day. Maybe people would ride up. You wouldn't hurt you. Wouldn't hurt the asa practice a automate like may cu. We just want three championship. Ain't got no problem when I need to call the practice at but when you are hearing the same thing over and over this repetitive over. Oh and it's no results in the end that you looking for. Nobody's going to listen. That's what good teachers do them. Good teachers really good. Teachers knows which students you can chastise in the classroom. Which ones you wait until after classes over to talk to which ones may need you to call parents which ones you just need to give a look to winning. Could teach you a really good teacher. Understands that every student doesn't take direction the same way and that was perhaps Phil Jackson's greatest gift recognizing that you can have a team on a singular focus. The all become focused in the same batter about teacher call my parents. Elsie think about though he got Michael Jordan to buy into a hey. Why don't you come in here and write down your thoughts to what this ride has been like and then we'll burn it in a coffee can in the in the locker room I mean. Can you imagine the the the the magnitude of I rolling? That would go on if somebody tried to do something like that with players right now in less you from the best guy but if you got six championships you respect their coachman. You're debt coach. Help you get three championships to champion. Since trump he got sick you if he says hey I want everybody come in here and I want you to do it like this. You're going to listen to that in this day and age. They're listening to Steve. Kerr they're gonNA LISTEN. To Steve Kerr. It's very they're they're going to. They're going to listen to Gregg Popovich. Gregg Popovich wasn't the type of coach. That always rubs people the wrong way Tony. Tony Parker Nim listens to win in Tim. Tunc in their cool witty. But I'm sure I'm Bruce Bowen but I'm sure there's other guys like man I don't want to be around this do because he rubs him the wrong way much like L Z saying. He doesn't understand as a teacher how to deal with every student differently. And when you can in you bill parcells you deal with keyshawn different than you deal with Tony. Romo or Jason Witten or Curtis Morton. We all are different in. We respect that. But if you try to everybody's going to do it this way and we're going to. It's like my Komo man. I'm not doing that. I don't WANNA BE. I do not want to come in and live with the rest of the group because I don't want to be up in the off season at six o'clock in the morning was long as get your work in at some point in time throughout the day. I'm okay with that. That is how you do with people to buy into your program. The flu game was not the flu game or world is shattered. That's next on the morning show on seven ten. Espn thinking at least one. Prep Day this week guys before Saturday because Saturday is Ireland versus Travis. Part to the loser gets double duty. Two shows in one day. The winner gets a day off this Saturday at black gold in Yorba Linda. Of course Tiber. Phil's coming up on Sunday but John Now I will go first on. Saturday can watch hole by hole coverage on the social media accounts at Espn Los Angeles in a big big. Thanks to our friends at Travis Matthew. They're excited to introduce TM rewards. That's their way rewarding their customers for their loyalty three shipping and returns on all purchases. You can sign up right now at Travis Matthew Dot com today so thanks to everybody for participating in that Black Gold Travis Matthew and looking to go to and fellas well you take care of business. If you don't that you gotta come out my and back together at my key from televisions it. 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Try last dance on it. Get to see the last dance so it wasn't the a the flu game that we've known for twenty four or five years. That Michael Jordan had the flu went out. There won the game anyway. It was poised pizza game. Which doesn't have nearly the the poetic feel to it. The flu game does but do you really think there's somebody yes. You really think that that yes. It happened to what it was. It was a shock when they were in Sacramento. They got some Food was the Kobe. Right yeah I don't know a bath. Food happens but deliberately. Somebody deliberately tainted with the food. I do wow. I don't I don't think they ever that because if aid delivery did that please tell me Michael Jordan's people would have addressed that with the lawsuit. Please tell me would you ever prove that it was done intentionally? I mean you know what I mean be really. It came from us but it was an accident. You know the the sausage I guess was bad or whatever it was on it. I guess the pepperoni spoiled. We had no idea the only reason he was the only one that got it was late at night. We were getting ready to close we through together at the last minute. I'm really really sorry guys. I know it came from me but it was an accident. You can never prove it or maybe it was just bat pepperoni. Ah Bat cheese that old or something. Maybe that was the case. But I don't think anybody sprinkled any white substance powder that was called ex lax or something. Sure I don't think any of that stuff eliminate. There's no way I wouldn't go forward and say that I would say it was food poisoning but because identify it in the public as such that. He was sick other than there was a temperature and he may have had flu like symptoms at the time the fruit therefore Jerry Salone in the Utah. Jazz really. Didn't know what it was in the media did just use it as flu. Oh yes because once a Meyer Shop. Poor wants a mild above me. L Z L Z. I'm like Damn Bre like damn like that serious. I mean it's not got best friends in media to and I'm free at good players and everybody else but I ain't swinging from a tree in a tackle. Listen I'm not forty blaming a mob with this because some of this is ABC. After point you just got to know. The person that you're putting on air is not a journalist. He's just his friend. Hold on a second hold on. We ever good Malysz. I never got the sense. In a mob. Rashad as journalists. I thought he was a guy that had access to Michael Jordan and got to access. He was putting vision. He was putting positions that made him appear as he was a journalist. You're doing Silas Party. You're doing sideline reporting cordy. You're supposed to do in sideline reporting reporting you know Michael Jordan. No Gossiping if you that close that you talked about before today dog. Some people got this life. Something don't going on here. L. Z Z. Some people can and some people can't on report and you ain't got to be reported a sideline reporter Eric. Dickerson was assigned reported. He wasn't a journalist. I mean book. Mcfarland did silence on Monday night. Football wasn't a journalist. You don't have to necessarily be journalists to do to reporting as long as you do. The job he was doing this job the job hired into he got a lot of people the four that because he had access to a lot of people get on him for that access. And then there's whatever the hell we were just watching out my due to my damn like. I can't go out like you everything you just swinging from a tree. They look like level. Damn being Michael's friend looks like a pretty good Gig the best kid I get all that. Bff But at some point. Don't you got some key? Some people do and some people do not a throw caution balls. I was a pro. You Know Mace Appropos Minnesota. But don't best my best best free? This that go down in Hale would be okay. They go down with me and we don't look like that look was a moment. I was sitting there and I I had to pause it because I was like. Damn Komo wouldn't sit on the couch and that you know I sat on the couch last night in pre-game when when when gus came back and Gus was leaning up against the wall coming back after Chemo and I look over to the riding the modest sitting in the chair. I'm like Oh you get ready to shine his shoes right now. You mean wasn't Grizzly like Lord have mercy. It wasn't a gridlock. We'll talk more about the last. There's still a lot more to get into. Plus Aaron Rodgers finally spoke about the draft. Pick to replace him. That's coming up next on the morning. Show on seven ten ESPN.

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Hawks Fire Lloyd Pierce, Zion Williamson Is a Force of Nature, and the Nets Still Have Higher Levels to Reach

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Hawks Fire Lloyd Pierce, Zion Williamson Is a Force of Nature, and the Nets Still Have Higher Levels to Reach

"Baseball season is right. Around the corner and jake mints and joins shusterman will serve as your guides to the good the bad and the utterly bizarre corners of the baseball world on baseball barbecue. And the run up to the season. They'll dive into the rabbit hole on some of their favourite fascinations from the home. Run derby to baseball brawls and more once. mlb season returns. They'll break down the latest news and developments with their trademark wit and irreverence checkout. Oh baseball barbecue on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the mismatch. I'm chris vernon joining me. See does every tuesday from the wringer dot com. Kevin o'connor ak kevin obama kevin o. Conflict cannabis kevin o. Concert kevin climber kevin o. Kindness third one. I may we have a lotta stuff happened since we last spoke including yesterday our second firing of an nba coach. It was a lloyd pierce Who is the coach of the atlanta hawks. Atlanta's fourteen and twenty. They've lost eleven of their last sixteen games and This last last couple losses have been the last straw and it is not going to be easy as they're going to move nate mcmillan over seat because twelve of their next fifteen games are on the road so welcome to the gauntlet but they went ahead and did this before they even got to that point and so when when the news reported yesterday that pierce got fired. What was your first reaction unfortunate. A victim of ownership with too high of expectations for this team. I mean lloyd. Pierce like coaches need. Time to develop to just like players. Doing lloyd pierce. He definitely wasn't a perfect coach. I would say he was definitely not one of the better coaches in the nba with his first chance to head coach. Which is why so many hawks fans want him gone right to have. Ira exportations for this team. And as a team should when you have a guy like trae young who can really elevate what your team is. But ultimately chris i my i thought my overall thought here is that this changes nothing. It changes nothing like. Maybe you help your team a little bit. Maybe like nate mcmillan better with rotations. Maybe he's better with timing for when to call a timeout little things like that. That bothered hawks fan so much about pierce but the fact is this is still a young team. It's a young team with guys who are underdeveloped. Camera tish not taken a leap and his second year. It's a young team with a bunch of guys who were negatives on the defensive end of the floor especially their best player trae young who is one of the worst offenders in basketball. It's a team that's been through injuries. It's a team that lacks continuity that made a bunch of changes this offseason with a short and training camp a short and preseason this team. Just isn't there yet and firing pierce might be the best long-term thing to do in the short short term here. I don't see it changing too much at all chris. How about well one of the things that we've talked about a lot. I bring this up. All the time is when you have gone all in or you decide you put a mandate that we are going to try to be a playoff team. There is going to come a point when you do. Not if you if you do not reach your expectations that becomes a general manager versus the coach. And now you see who has the owners ear. Because now as the disappointment continues the coaches saying look at my roster look what was given to me. Look at the injuries. I'm going through. And i don't know what their chain of command is. I don't know if lloyd pierce has the owners ear but suffice to say that would be his point of view whereas the general manager says that look. I built the right team. This is bad coaching. We've lost We've had a leads in eleven. Been fourth quarters in thirty four games that we've lost. If we had a different coach that would not be the case. And again whether that's true or not you know that's what he sake and lord on the other end to say like look. You spent a lot of money in the off season like this would be me. If i'm more picks i'd go to you spend a lot of money in the off season right. I have gotten literally. Nothing out of chris done rondo. I don't know why you did this. Everybody in the free world new right. He he didn't even turn it on. During the regular season for the lakers. Last year he turned it off when it came playoff time and was not good during the regular season for them. And now you're going to make him a bench player. Edry just won a title on a on a rat team. Okay so that was stupid. Gallows been awful. And that ain't my fault. I didn't gallo awful. He's been. He's been bad for me and i lost. I lost bogdanovich. Who was your other big money guy. He got hurt even even their lottery. Pick oh call of season dan. I lost deondraye hunter. Yeah who was one of their best players. yes at who has who i have developed ended become. Looked like he was really taking a leap this year. Oh and also you got john collins who wants a big contract and has been involved in trade rumors throughout the year and more and there's a good chance that he does get traded at some point. Either this this season during the offseason during restricted free agency in a sign and trade lot changing there. The other thing he can say is and this is true. I was reading this hollinger Wrote this article for the athletic john and he said he had this number in their atlanta outscored opponents by six point five points per one hundred possessions this season when trae young clint appel and john collins share the court in the minutes. Hunter played with those three. They were an impressive. Plus twelve point nine. Yes these are small samples but that should be taken with a grain of salt but the eye test and other stats back up. The idea that the core isn't the major problem here and so again. If you're beers you could go and you could say. Look at our numbers. When i've got my good players on the floor like this is this is a roster thing you know. It's not like i'm lou. You've you've handed me Trae young john collins. Clint cappella and the hunter. And i'm not winning with them. Were blowing people out. When i've got those four it's the rest of these guys that you signed the guys that we brought in without real training camp practices. Everything and two of them have been injured the whole time. So like what you really gave me last year's roster plus clint cappella and now i'm down deondraye honor so i don't have that either in. That's the thing it's like. Firing pierce may be the correct thing to do it. Might it might be but it does not solve the problems. All everything everything you're dealing here and this is your last straw. If you're if you're trying to shake it. I mean sure i absolutely we have already seen. The general manager of phoenix suns fired passing on luca. We've seen of draft. Marvin bagley fired and then we could very well see next gen. Who traded luca for the trae. Young cameras deal fired at some point. If they don't turn around. And i don't feel a lot of optimism that they will. Which is you know what atlanta's don the last couple of years that trae luchetti lows guys are always going to be connected. But i don't hey what they've done on paper. I i like what they're building. I liked the vision of what this could become. And that's why. I bring it back to ownership this whole past year. It's been about you know there's expectations from ownership for this team to make the postseason. And that's one of the reasons why they go after gala one of the reasons they go after rhonda one of the reasons why they got to crystal and do the things that they did but this just not ready for that stage. Yan chris. this this comes back defense. were you just mentioned it. All their blown fourth quarter leads atlanta. This season is thirtieth in the nba and fourth quarter offensive rating. They allow one hundred twenty point four points per one hundred possessions which is worst in the nba in the fourth quarter. This is a team. That's just not ready to get stops in the game. We know nate mcmillan cares greatly about that end of the court and do the three years that lloyd beers has been there. There is no. There's no defending their defensive ratings. I mean it's pathetic and if you just want to say. Hey it's pathetic because of the personnel. Now nate mcmillan is going to move over. We know we know this. Nate mcmillan add real struggles in the playoffs. And you know it had run. Its course in indiana nate. Mcmillan is a good basketball coach. And he might he might be able to the east too so crazy you might be able to turn it around. He might be able To get them go. It's pa. i'm just saying it's possible. i'm not. I'm not blaming everything on three and a half games back from the knicks for the four. Something like four foresee right now. They're at the twelve. So it's tight and i don't wanna put it out of the realm of possibility that nate mcmillan could have them playing better basketball and winning some of those games that they've been losing in the fourth quarters right atlanta fans atlanta fans would know better than me and right when you listen to their france germany. Don yeah yeah. They wanted up day at turned on him right. So who am i to tell a fan base. They're not right about this. They are the ones they're watching that team every single night and they think the coaching is lackluster. And so we're find out right. Sure i think. I think both can be true. That could have been the right decision. That pierce in his first gig is the first time as an nba. Coach wasn't ready for the level of responsibility. Especially maybe with a younger team like this. That needs a guiding hand veteran coach like name mcmillan but also. Everything said about the roster. Chris i'm right there with you. One hundred percent of bellows of the true issues. That need solving. And that'll take time. It'll take changes to the personnel trades. Signings it's also just going to take development which happens over the course of time and with the younger players getting better as they get older so for this team. It's a mixture of those two things. Expectations were just too high too soon for them. In my opinion this is the part that i hate kevin. You know that i have. I have ranted so many times for four years that we've been doing this podcast together about the whole thing and what becomes the guys did do it. They don't get to see it through they don't they. Don't get to see it all the way through. And so y- the guy ill he wins twenty nine games or he wins twenty games. He was twenty nine games and so he took all these losses on his record. And then i do think it's. It is a different deal. When you know you are consistently going to be noncompetitive and now all of a sudden it's time to be competitive and all those player you know what i mean as major players. They were losing those games. Do for you and you know in the end detroit days. Lloyd beers isn't going to get to see this through when it gets good and traverse link will probably not sit through when it gets good and so it might in the end workout for the franchise because they got some of these lottery picks and they they were able to build the team. But i do think that it's a disservice to guys like lloyd appears where you brought him in and you know. How are you supposed to build a culture. You lose every night for popovich in call. I'll and some of those guys mentioned last night that you can't build a culture without continuity time you can't build a culture you know by pulling the plug after a year and a half and you know you have to. You got to have confidence. You gotta feel like you've got a safety net and you know he did not feel that the whole year. He did not feel like they really believe in me with bringing mcmillan talking with me felt inevitable as soon as mcmillan was hired. Yes yes because now they had. That was their safety net. If we advocate pearston it And so tougher. Tougher lloyd peers. He will certainly on his feet and he will be. It'll be added to his staff. As soon as he wants wants to be added to a staff and i do. Oh be getting another chance as a head coach in the league. I do Because i think he was despite even if you think he was not good he was dealt a bad hand he just dealt a bad hand and also like just a good guy. Yes this is a guy that people around the league really love and respect and see potential in him as a leader you know. He was in memphis Here with the grizzlies. People swore by lloyd. They love him love. you know. there's nobody that knows him. That does not love. Lloyd pierce and so i hate this. You know what i mean. You never like to see bad things. Good guys was if they had their whole roster this year. I do think it's different. I really do. If he's got bogdanovich. Got done if gallo doesn't play like a corpse half the time you know 'cause when i can't wins with this gu is obviously the number of the numbers when his good players are playing and they're playing together you know but that just didn't happen enough Last night. I was so wildly entertained by the pelicans jazz game was a good. I mean okay. So first half was pretty good. Half the jazz looked like the jazz and then they come out in the third quarter. And the pelicans just bomb amount and flip the game completely and then it gets to the fourth quarter and the jazz flip the game again and this seventeen point lead with ten minutes to go is down to a bucket when the game on the line and i mean just watching it all play out and this what i was struck by and i really wish that i would have tweeted it in the third quarter because i had a fired up ready to go and i was like. I don't feel like getting into it tonight but this is a i would have. I wish i would have. Because i would have looked like a genius and the tweet was there. I watch this team and there are two different. Pelicans team there are. There is the lame one that forget that zion williamson is on the team. And there's the awesome one that remembered zion williamson on their team. And i swear to. God kevin i. That's in the third quarter. He's six nine. He has fifteen point he has to rebound he has to assist. The team is nine of ten from the free throw line. They shoot sixty five percent as a team and they score forty points and then they to the fourth quarter and he kids one shot the whole the whole time and they blow a seventeen point lead. Meanwhile ingram takes like eight shots you got to you. Got bledsoe take shot scientists. He came back and took one shot and it was in a capsule. That is dependent. Akins right you can watch them and they are just this. Devastating force of nature led by williamson. And then you can watch them and you can go. What in the hell like. How are you blowing this europe. Seventeen ten minutes left to go like you and he gets one shot. And and i'm telling you this it's he passing it. He never touched it. He's not even touching the bowl in the fourth quarter. It's bananas bananas to watch it. And they were able to hold on and get that victory but you know the sooner. They figure out the best player on the team. The sooner they'll be a playoff team as if it can be obvious. That has the best player in the team. I mean i don't know if there's another player in the nba. Who attacks rudy. Go bear with the ferocity desire on does and it happened. Ever since his first preseason game against go bear he went at him last season. First preseason game and to see him do it now you know what he's even better when has even better feel for the physicality and the speed of the nba. I mean this guy is. How long is it going to be until he's leading the nba points with it. They are force feeding him buckets whenever that happened whenever they decide. She's like tomorrow van. Gandhi says we're getting you. I don't know how anybody could watch that game last night. Given he was an absolute force of nature in the third quarter there was no stopping him and then he came from the ball. Once in the fourth quarter as a lead is just disintegrating by hitting threes transition. Though it is crazy and this is the whole ingram's ion thing like it's obviously like you know. I told you ingram took eight shots in the fourth quarter right like he was the guy and it's like they need to they need to figure this pecking order like your robin brandon. Ingram that you're robin. Like i know this feels like you're batman but you're robbing like this other guy like you mentioned the gobert thing going at him. There was one play when the third quarter and this dude or maybe it was it might have been. I can't remember what it was. But anyways he drove on like there's a pick and roll he drove to. The basket went straight to the basket. Go bayer does the verticality thing right. He ends up behind the dam goal. Kev look behind the stand sharia and i'm out around it by time. He he doesn't push off. Like i don't know anybody in the world that could do that to rudy gobert and i kept watching it. Does he just pop him with his off arm he never does. He just lowers his shoulder and when he goes up you move like ten feet to clear that amount of space without pushing somebody especially a guy that everybody has like a defensive player of the year. Come on come on man. Yeah i i think you know. I'm not excusing the pelicans. For not force-feeding hutchison. I like watching the fourth quarter. Last night there was so many instances in which like he just kinda standing around the wing while pick and roll is being run in the opposite side of the court. And there are some instances in which i feel like the impact would be felt beyond the box score sort of gobert. Ask in the sense that like go. Zion would set a screen role to the rim caused the defense to collapse towards the paint over something for somebody else. So it's like the impact could be felt without a being taken. However like to your point. Chris there needs to be more of a conscious effort to put the ball in the hands of your best player. And that's the part where it's odd to me. How they go through these you know ebbs and flows where they're feeding feeding feeding feeding and then you get nothing. Well the crazy thing is it's not embiid right like m. beat you have to have. Somebody passed that ball anymore. Not bringing the ball past half court and like running the office someday. Immi- someday you might but you really can't just let him get the rebound say like all right. You take it up or have him come to the top of the key and do the cross court pass and now he's got it thirty feet from the basket him with the ball. Thirty feet from the basket is not to the defenses advantage. You know and. I don't know man like they are. I don't. I don't understand that team. I really they are the most team in the nba. I i'm in agreement with you. So but i also think like in last night's game a couple of turnovers when he ran the pick and roll to royce. O.'neil that have really nice job on him too. So you've got to give credit on that end to I i'm with you to be clear like zion. We force fed more touches more scoring opportunities than they were giving him. In last night's game but also tied nice job and zions impact could be at times felt beyond the box. Score wasn't a guy actually look which is which is a testament to who he is becoming a player that he can get you twenty five thirty points but his impact is felt beyond just scoring those actual buckets. it's testament to his rise in greatness. Well and let me say this. I will say that. Look they won the game. They want the game. They won the game but against the team with the best record. And correct yeah. I'm only saying they won that game because they force fed him in that third quarter and let him take over the game and by virtue of that they were up so big. I mean they're up seventeen in that game and there was one key. Play where donovan. Mitchell had a break he tried to get a little saucy and really tomahawk it with two hands if flies off the back of the rim josh. Hart a layup on the other end and that was really you know game but that jazz team look i will and i give them credit because you doubt seventeen ten minutes to go especially with the million games such a short amount of time for all these teams. There's a lot of teams that you know. Just say all right. We'll go back. Yeah let me sit by starters. Let them get that rest. And now. But those guys like they they they. May pelicans make winning. Plays at the very end of that game for a story. I in on that note. I mean lonzo ball his development a season after starting the year shooting the ball horribly. He's looking good man he he had some plays last night. We pulled up for mid-range yup and that's something that back at ucla back earlier in his current even just last season. You didn't see from him a lot working with fred. Vinson the pelicans shooting coach for ingram firs zaylon and for lonzo clearly paying dividends. I mean zion. Even shooting seventy five percent from the free throw line since late january. Ingram shooting the heck out of it from three point. Range shooting over eighty eighty percent of the free throw line. Lonzo shooting the ball better. I these guys are all getting better. And that's because of 'cause vincent and the work he's doing with those guys and the commitment they're making but lonzo's development. He was a guy just a couple of weeks ago. We're talking about who's gonna trade for him. Pelicans move them. Do you feel like lonzo. Right now is a guy that they should be trying to keep with the with the blend they have their it. I mean you'd have to be in their meetings where they're making the decision on you know. Look we can act like you're not supposed to talk about this stuff. But i mean you find that. I guess you probably have a gauge. From last year on what they're wanting you know what kind of contract he's going to be wanting in. So you add those discussions right now. We've seen it Are we losing them for nothing in the offseason as if he wants twenty five million and you're like you know maybe in some situations he's worth it but not an dollar slot heavy that type of thing. I looked at it earlier this week. The numbers with him out on the corridor. They're real so. I would look at it and say all right. When he's on the floor by best player what do we do like is it. Is it a help or a or my deterred from that. Can that fit long-term and the answer to that is yes. It is like they play. Great together On the floor together. So i do think you have to take that into consideration you know and the other thing is you know. Are you finding somebody better than him. How alum. I find somebody better than him. The there's a going rate. Can he be my starting guy. Can he be my do. I look at him. And i would say that lonzo ball will be a starting guard in the nba for somebody. So and i do think he could be a starting foy on a good team to the pelicans right What do you think about the red stuff. It's back up again. You know as a guy. They could move. I don't know. I mean there'd be a market there's always a market for shooting always always the. Jj redick he obviously started the year. Shoot the ball pretty poorly. he's back you know. Jj's back three at this point. Of course there were the rumors about the fact that at northeast team could have interested in net. Sixers celtics were entrusted. I've heard to other teams. That could be connected to jj in a potential trade and that's denver and dallas So those are two other teams to monitor of course in the western conference would orleans competing for same playoff spots but ultimately those are two additional teams. That sound like they have some level of interest in. Jj redick well. We'll see what happens over the coming weeks better with ours. I agree i liked that fit. That'd be i mean. Luca needs guys that he can just throw it out to and he could count on draining it. 'cause the richard thing is not played out like you wanted to know it. Which is unfortunate man. Like i thought josh. Richardson would turn back into miami josh. Richardson said he's worse. Version of philly josh richardson. It's not to say over me. When i i you know what they got all over me when i said that he and tim hardaway junior were in the same tier of player which they are tim. Hardaway junior is the better than i can reach that. Richardson is one of those guys. That always felt like he always got way more. You know way more love than he necessarily. I felt like he was getting better. Man felt like he was getting better and then he went to philly. And that's a good same was a good situation to get open threes. It is bad sense there and everything. But that's the point of like those are the guys that lead the league in three point assists. Luca and ben simmons all. That's one reason why that philly fit is still intriguing reunite and bead in rent. Oh those two had really nice Chemistry together at another shooter there. But this man they out crazy. Is this what you mentioned that like. They're okay with that though. Because they got. Seth curry which dallas should have. It's so dallas would be losing steph curry and now replacing it with jj ready because they miss. That'd be wild. And it's like what fifteen years probably difference between the ages of the two players. They see you got said curry. And now you're replacing cuba. Jj rettig by by the middle of mixie's. Ed keeps curry on the stand. That's want or. I mean we'll see mad like he's gotta have a market brooklyn to brooklyn's interests should not be understated. Here they're going after bigger fish. I so they got off brooklyn this nice. They are figuring it out. 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No turnovers last night ended up via fish. Numbers are just really listening to uh to bill. Jackie mac and they they talk about something that's been on my mind Since i heard it which is really really fascinating to me. And it was part of maybes. Last year's you know which was even before You know he went out the injury. It wasn't going all that great with kyri there. We know that the kyri thing in boston went poorly And one of the things that they mentioned which i thought was super fascinating was that maybe the destiny and what is best for kyrie irving is being cavs kyri irving where he is not the guy with the ball all the time. That was the guy that was playing point. Guard running the show and we talked about like. When is the last time kyri really made a team better. And now it's almost like they've got this ball hardens the guy with the ball and you get this vision of kyri that is not like responsible for setting up the whole team and he's never a guy that you would see get eleven to fifteen assists. The sometimes seventeen is he's just not tag guy that's not the way he plays the position and yet those calves teams lebron was the one with the ball and now he has conceded. Hardin is the one with the ball. And you're getting this unbelievable less scoring but this unbelievable playmaking version of hardin and you really are getting the best version of kyri. And he made. That is totally reasonable to me. That he could have just been miscast for so long. As a guy that you gave your offense to and gave the ball to run it. And that's just that's not when you get the best of him chore and i think with kyrie we're seeing that with a number having a borderline fifty forty ninety season eighty nine point three percent from the free throw line. You know what a scrub can't get over the ninety percent who are alive like with kyri dude. He's he's a remarkable talent as an offensive player. He's a remarkable player with his ability to score. Running an offense and commanding orchestrating over the duration of a full game hardens better suited for that. And you're putting kyri and situations now. We're playing off ball more often. He's getting open catch and shoot threes. He's moving off ball to get himself open for threes a little bit more cutting picking his spots against a weaker defender oftentimes because hardened is that guy taking on the toughest match up a lot of time. So it's like all these factors creating a situation for kyri. We're seeing the best version of him and yet chris. it's not the best version. It's just not that will arrive when katie's back when you have kevin durant back with this nets team and they're clicking on all cylinders. I look at them. And i think this team is good as they are right now. They're not near their peak. There is a higher level for this team. Chris we're seeing signs of it. Bruce brown the games that he's having the offensive florida the challenges he presents as a six foot four guard being utilized as a rim running center. It captures better than anything else that i've seen this season the state of positional as basketball. When you're using bruce brown in that form and he's racking up twenty plus points in certain matchups in when he's rolling down the lane it kind of creates a challenge for defenses in the same way that dream on does yup for the warriors we have. Would you have steph curry and dream on setting the screen steph. Hit the gravity that he provides as a shooting. Threat is what allows james to be open on the role into pick up our defenses with a pass or dribbling it to the basket. It's the same exact concepts with the brooklyn nets with either hardened or kyrie because even though brown is only six foot four six five six sites and he's not as heavy but he has a similar skill set in that particular area of the floor and that's just shredding teams. Doing it defensively. You can play with him. You could put. Dj out there deandre jordan. Play with a drop. Pick and roll defense. You can put nick claxton out there. Play more aggressive switch more screens but retain size. We saw that in that game last night. The nets the best version of them is not here yet because that will come. When katie's back it'll come in the playoffs. When harden kyri and katie are locked in on defense and i feel this has more options and more ability on the defensive end of the floor than they're getting credit for and that's even without whatever moves they're gonna make a head of the deadline or during the bio period. This team is awesome. And they're only gonna get better. The bruce brown thing is an absolute revelation number one. It's so funny to see him. Come back up as part because somebody told me that he was like he was like a big time athlete in high school and it was like an awesome football player. You can see you know his physicality you could see how bruce brown would have been awesome football player and they figured out how to use him and then when you were going through the monologue i was trying to look up like why why he ended up like being cast off from detroit detroit. This used to pick on him last year. And he's good like why is he not a piston and you try to go through the deal and get still hard to figure out like why. Why is he not there. I don't i don't know what the again it's hard to figure out what the pistons are doing but he would certainly when you hit on a draft pick a guy that's like an get a guy in the second round that's going to have long. Nba career you hit. I don't understand why he's not a part of whatever you're going to be doing for. It was the cdc bay trade You know they wanted to deep bay and that deal for brooklyn if you look at it strictly as seek bay And then the choice of shampoo or luke kennard and they chose luke landry shamet. You could argue. That brooklyn should have just kept sake bay. But shamet and bruce brown. First brown's been dang. Do for brooklyn. dude. I i like i said there defensive versatility. It's really unusual. It's really unusual what they can do with their ability to play different styles. I really serve them well in the playoffs the team because they're going to have to beat different types of teams in order to get to the files that actually win the finals. So i like their flexibility Better than get credit for. I can't wait till we get to see them versus philly and they're both full string. I wanna see those teams. Because i do think philly can create a real problem for them with is nbs and emptied harris simmons. I mean that's huge. That is a big big lineup. And obviously you see you can throw simmons one of them to hopefully slow it down or make them inefficient right and they still do. They do not have anything for 'em beat they don't have anything that can deal with him if he is that locked in. I'm murdering everybody which he has been. Yes tired he has been her. So i mean that is the that is the team that i look at and i say okay these other teams like they're smaller but the big team like that. I do think that that could be that. Could be a poison pill because that bruce brown things all fun until he's trying to get rebounds over. Joel it's done. I'll tell you what man like. Let's say we're looking far ahead. Air phillies brooklyn seven game series. They're gonna pressure embiid and force him to pass out of double teams and traps. More than i think you could believe right now. I mean they're going pressure him like crazy and bead. He's been doing a pretty good job at handling double teams better than he ever has before. So you know embiid. We've talked so much about scoring progress. I mean he's having one of the best seasons for modern day big right now. He's in the middle of it. He's also gotten better passing out of that pressure and he's going to see a lot of that royals of the opponent but brooklyn especially because of the size limitations. You're talking about. They would do that at time and harrison. Who on serious harris has been awesome been. They've gotten a different. It's not just an all star. Yeah it's not just a different mb. They've gotten a different harris. Get a different salmon's tooth for that matter. Everybody in that team feels like they are hungry and that they they're playing like a team that got embarrassed in the first round. The year after they lost a heartbreaker game seven toronto. That's what they're playing like team. That's out for revenge. That's out to show that they are different in that they're growing they've been through it and you know what to wanna shopping one bit if that's the type of series seven philly brooklyn. That could be an epic well. Serious speaking of That eastern conference you know. You've got philly We figured that there's got to the teams that are going to be there at the end. There's not those three. I think are a little bit separate. I think you probably have to throw miami in there because you give them the. You're saying those three philly brooklyn milwaukee yes and then miami you have to give them credit for being where they were last year and they are going to be jimmy butler bam. As long as those guys are healthy they can still be a hard out. And there's some tinkering that i think they will inevitably do with their lineup. So anyways even if you just get to those four dare and we say all right if somebody was going to bust through those. Maybe it's miami. Maybe it's toronto. Maybe to boston. Who makes the net look. This is. I was thinking about this morning. Think about our crazy. This is so we look up today. And you got those top three which you would have expected or the top three philly brooklyn milwaukee. Four is the knicks and five is miami. As of this morning now that is by virtue of both of those teams going seven and three over the course of their last ten games. But you see that from the knicks. Who are the four seed right now all the way down to chicago. Who is currently tent. There is a two game difference between the knicks at four at four and chicago at ten. That is insane like we're talking about the last homecourt advantage slot. The team that has that right now is two games ahead of the last team gets in. And what i was thinking about is in just a week. We can half's time you see how foolish it can be for us to look at the standings when it's all so tight in order to decide cu we think the allstars are thank you because this when it's so tight and i'm not talking like there's a massive separation between four and ten. I'm talking like like it. Is this year because if you did those all stars today there is no discussion on jewish. Randall none there. The fourth seed and just by virtue of say the knicks are in fourth place in the east you would say their best player has to get in and now so they got their guy in but now does it look goofy that jimmy butler and bam out of bio. Aren't there like their fifth right. There fit right now in the standings. And so i mean chris like look you gotta get vuckovich and the all star game. Now you gave your coaches in there. Do i know it's crazy though to think about it right like you. If if it's this week you know what. Those arguments are. the fifth seed doesn't it. Why don't they have the all stars on their team. But i mean things change that rapidly to where four and five are now new york and miami. Let's bam should have been on the all star game. He should have been in there. I had him in my fake reserve. Ballot coaches obviously vote for that. He should have been in there. Julius randle i did not have on my fake ballot. I would have changed that. I was wrong when i first published that. Julius deserves to go in there. It's the more julius randle. Does it chris. The more unbelievable it becomes to me. Man that's gotta love as a prospect. I love him young younger when he was young and the nba level last year. Neither the knicks fans. A lot of mixed fans weren't happy about julius randle like become a guy who's getting thirty plus minutes again the season. But he's proven they he's gotten better dude i. I don't think this is fake. This is for real. We're seeing an improved. Julius randle you can see it with his actions on the court the feel for the game. The passing the decision making the effort on defense. It's remarkable watch. I'm i'm i'm having a lot of watching. Julius is randall. Last ten games. And i mentioned they're seven three and those games. Julius randle twenty three points eleven rebounds forty eight percent from the field forty two percent from three. He's been unbelievable and look. This is not gotten a lot of attention. But i went back and looked at these last ten games and like the net ratings for all these guys you know who has the highest net rating on their team by a wide margin. Derrick rose wow plus point seven plus zero seven and the records been great since they acquire like that is under the radar. And you knew tapes. You like you knew it and you know who's this this this creates I heard Jackie mac talking about this. It does create a bit of an awkward situation because nobody is closer to tibbs. Then doc And it's the kid that's out of the ease really you know not really in the rotation nearly as much anymore since the they acquire. Derrick rose and austin rivers has kind of been on the outside looking in and so you wonder if they'll you know they move him somewhere or whatever else but it just it's it's fascinating dead rivers you know that. His coach is so incredibly close like she was talking about tips. Spent so much time down with doc and you know watching those practices and being around when he was out of work And now he's pretty much put his bench on the or his son on the bench for derrick rose and rose has been really good for them. Too bad what to the the best players are gonna play. Derrick rose is the better player. I now emmanuel quickly as the is a younger player. Yes so it's been really good and serve that developmental time you got shot creation with rj barrett who shooting the ball better than he ever has is playing the best basketball of his life and rj. I'm curious chris because we got tweeted out yesterday. But somebody giving us rj barrett stats versus djalmir an stats. I'm not comparing the two asking me to compare the to. The point of it was just the fact that rj's really come along this season as a score. His efficiency has improved quite a bit. What how do you how do you how do you see. Rj developing always look. The knicks fans are kings of this. You saw it over the weekend. I'm not asking you to compare them chris. I don't want you to compare jan jaw wondering where what is the developmental trajectory. Rj barracas for jaw. Like it's pretty clear improving the parameters jumper like for jobs very clear. That's the next step for rj with the path. He's on word. is he his career. Rj can be a super high level starter. Maybe all star in the league. I mean that's what i thought. I think saran. We're a superstar. Like he will be a superset. So you see superstar jaw you see all star with r j. I think that could be healing. So it's like zaylon. Megastar potential like facebook league joh- superstar r. j. all-star actually. I think it's fair to say kind of like zion. Ingram not a super. You'd never going to be a superstar like biddy eastern all star player outstanding player. Zaylon is a different face of your franchise best player on your team. You know that can go all the way writing. Diane could be the best player on a team. That wins a title one day and i feel that way about job. I don't think that's rj. But it's not a rate. I mean what i say. It's always small sample size theater right To to make it look the best like there was that tweet. That was going around everywhere. The guy from new york said you know. Was chris bosh ever better than julius. Julius randle is now you know. And it's like i mean it's it's one of the knicks decent again. It's great is they like brings out this irrationality. That is just not. It's not it's founded in goofiness win. They've been on this really good streak. I went looked up. Rj last ten games. It's good it's forty four percent from the field thirty five percent from three sixteen and a half points a game like it's good. It's good. that's not unbelievable. But again you can extract anything so what was extracted. That was sent to us. Is the last one hundred three pointers that john is taken last three hundred three pointers that. Rj has they like what the hell okay are we serious. This is what this is what we're doing like that's not get giants do develop that much like a lot of his peers. Did like fox. Fox is a good actually He's a. He's a good comparison because kings oregon Yeah no there comes a time where they've gotta stop going under screens against you and you just have to be able to hit it. At that rate you know to wear they. The decision is not always. The screen comes. Were running back to the free. Throw line so that you can't just drive past us or whatever But that's a treatment he gets But yet that conference has gone absolutely crazy. And there's no way to figure out who's gonna end up wear you mentioned sacramento and fox. Who in his own right is having a very good season But that team is an absolute free fall cliff. I do think we thought of them. As not in that minnesota oklahoma city clash but rather a team that is going to be competing for the ten spots for the opportunity to be in the playoffs and lately they certainly of looked much closer to the minnesota oak city class than they have the other ones that are all competing For those ten spots in the western conference Well i think. I think they've won one game in their last ten choi. Yeah yeah and they blew. I mean maybe the most incredible game of the year For those that are unaware they played against charlotte. The other night. And i. I mean you could watch basketball for a hundred years and maybe never see they were up one hundred and twenty three to one fifteen with a pair of free throws and possession with one nine left in the game one twenty three to one fifteen a pair free throws and possession one nine on the clock. Losing that game is like impossible really like impossible much less on a maliki and one. That's not what you're affecting league though did your and we do need dimension. We covered last week about the whole. Feels like russillo. Said it feels like a team down to like eighty percent of the time. They're taking a three. I could not think about that when you see monk drive. Make it and get fouled. They were down to. So that is the moment that sacramento would take the three to try to win that game but instead are i'm sorry that charlotte would monk went straight to the basket and then he the the old the old school three point play. Oh that was nice to win a monk. His last five games twenty points. Twenty nine twenty five twenty one nineteen with great efficiency shooting the hack out of a ball dude. I mean maliki monk. He looks like a guy who is room. i think he's contract year. I believe so. Yes right because he was on. The fox team. Fox got paid a fortune. So he's already got this he. He's a restricted. free agent. this offseason so like you could say it's not attract year only stepping up big time in that regard or you could just say that after a couple of early struggles in his career. He's finally found his shot. He's a guy who used to shred teams from three in high school and in college. He did but he couldn't really find a shot early in his career. For whatever reason it is by the way he's playing right now he looks like a guy who forget about what we've seen. Forget about the struggles. Right now malik. Monk looks like a guy who's comfortable with his skill set in the nba. And that's a valuable player. When you have a jumbo sized point guard and lamelo ball in a jumbo sized handler playmaker and gordon hayward you can survive with a smaller kind of off ball guy in maliki monks charlotte dude her other. I've heard they might be a little aggressives ahead of the deadline. And you're looking krista out there. yeah. I've heard they'll be a little aggressive. Doesn't mean they'll make a deal because there's not a sellers right now but it sounds like charlotte sniffing around looking for somebody who can really bolstered our team so monk could either be guy who looks like trade bait a good piece good trade piece or guy that you keep and has have. Is that spark plug in your rotation amongst all these other. Big ball hammers. I i look forward to seeing what they do. That is fascinating. Because as you know i i was around a team last year. That went through this with with mirant and it was like oh god. She's much better than we thought. Like the your trajectory changes when you sit there and you go. This guy is better than than we thought he was going to be one. And so now we got to recalibrate this thing and Inevitably they are seeing that with lamelo. They're going hold on now. we can. We can win and and and really win Faster than we thought because this guy is already good and we can go and like. Let's let's take some love. Let's get to the playoffs and take some lumps in the playoffs. You know right now when he's a rookie. 'cause we got him cheap for three more years the mallow as a starter averaging twenty one points seven assists six rebounds shooting forty three percent from three eighty six percent from the line. It's outrageous it's weighted. Lamelo is doing a rookie as a rookie in the nba. Like member early in the year when we talk about james where goes comments about like you know the guys who start games have to be consistent on defense you know limit turnovers and all. That lamelo is progressively getting better all the time in every way that he needs to get better. And accelerates what they wanna do things crazy because like he even if it's destiny which could absolutely be so Being at the heater he's the he's the Jamal crawford lou. Williams jordan clarkson is on our great team this year. Just he's the guy that could come off and like on a night where you may not have it really going. He's dropped at twenty five for you. I mean you saw last night with clarkson. He came in and that pelicans game and was getting book. It's in the second half of that game and you're like this is exactly why you want a guy like that because with things ain't going so good there's a guy that could come in just splash offense on the other team Amongst monk appears to be that kind of do you know which is crazy. 'cause they had you thought devante graham was that kind of guy to you know devante grams our right now and given him the opportunity here like it. Was you wonder. Sometimes you fall into this stuff. You know what i mean. No the like james bray go Like you said. Those quotes at the beginning of the year. Like if terry and And devante don't get her. How long does it take before we get lamelo in the starting lineup. But then once he was in the starting lineup it played like he did. He made it undeniable. You could not take him out of that lineup. After you had him there but you stumbled into that. That was hurt you of injury. You know sure And i think also sometimes you sign a player and bay they got ripped for signing terry rozier to the contract that they did and then terry rosier has turned around and and followed up and gotten better. He's playing to the contract averaging over twenty points shooting over forty percent from three since he got the charlotte making solid decisions with the ball on his hands. He he is another kind of one of those. You know firecrackers for the right. You know he's a spark plug for charlotte so they have a number of those guys who go off on any particular night and then you have lamelo ball. Who has a rookie is a stabilizer. He's a floor. Razor interceding razor gordon hayward who was having a great season bossing are ripped for the way. They handled it but people understood with the struggles. But he's back to being gordon hayward so there's this team is really really good. They're not like we talk about. You know those top three kinds of being locked in right now. If charlotte does not make one more move day could become that fourth team in the east. Not miami is the fourth well. Sure okay miami. To miami to i guess i mean in terms of regular season record. They could be because it's so close in terms of ranking. The miami would be above them but theoretically. Maybe trying to move lowery. Maybe boston doesn't make a move. Maybe shaw move. Charlotte could be way better than people think they would be. Entering the season. Dr inevitably we started talking about sacramento. And then we started talking about the more fun team. But max at the sacramento. Do you think luke could be in trouble. Oh yeah there's a there's a little bit of that situation what we just. This is going to be a good book end because we started the show talking about the lloyd peers. Firing and the truth of the matter is this. You've got the aaron fox and you've got buddy healed got marvin bagley. And you've got sean homes. And he got harrison barnes and he got the elites a if you want to throw him in there. I mean daily to sixth on the list right. I mean anybody could do this. Go look at their roster sucks. You know when. I talked about like. How many guys do you play where you're just like that anytime anytime. You're playing marvin bagley for thirty five minutes. I wo- worse one of the worst defensive bags and basketball reality of it. He's a poor defensive player. It's tough to win when you're playing that guy for that many minutes. He's not ready for those minutes. You bagley you out of your stupid ass will get their roster losing barbie bag. Go look at the numbers down. Good grief you. Don't people they put in the game. You don't even know who they are. They can walk in homes right. Yeah maybe like risotto homes is. He's he's had a very good season but like this. All everything turned into a pumpkin. And they're not. I wonder if they're going to be sellers. Could people would absolutely wanna get a scout and sangley. They'd wanna get a discounted bars discounted barnes like i did. I don't know if they're discounted but they could be sellers. And you wonder if you know. Does anybody there have luke's back right now to say it's not his fault probably not. I mean switch banishment. Every two years earlier it felt inevitable. That lloyd pierce would be like at some point. It feels inevitable at some point the luke walton. We'll be to you. do you think so. It feels on evitable team sucks. Dude i know it should they should. They should davey ager. And you know a lot of the same things. Hawks fans were saying about pierce. Kings fans are saying about luke walton. And at some point you have a new general manager there and mcnair. He's going to try to get his guy to be the coach. Luke walton was not his choice. And it like i said it feels inevitable that he'll be like oh at some point just a matter of wayne really. This team's horrible it's crazy. Yeager was developing those guys and was like they were on a trajectory. And i mean that was a whole different. Set it back again though as a whole different thing there but i get it. But they change management to like h management and they changed coaches which franchise we talking about here the sacramento kings. Yeah i know. I know i mean you figure you would just at some point. You know there was a point. Where like the bob kraft. You know you read those old books where he just said i. I don't know enough about this up turning it over main like you. I'm finding the guy and found ballot check. And he got out of his way right because he he he had parcels. And he meddled in it and ourselves did the whole. You'd think they'd let you could pick the groceries or whatever and then he brings in like a players coach pete carroll and all that stuff and he's still kinda in the mix and that goes poorly and so then he backs off as you know what this is not my expertise but the guy do it and you would hope that at some point you know the sacramento ownership would say you know what i don't know enough about this but in that the guy that thought that you should leave one player at the other end of the court to try to get buckets. Only play defense with four A point of view. I don't i don't know I don't know how successful you've got to be getting him out of the mix you know you mentioned p. carol you know when i say on pumpkin jack That's m. p. Carol that's he. I said that like in the late nineties early to it over. The last five days has not been pumped. Jack no definitely not this situation that would not be pumped in j. like netflix. Not really though. Whose fault is it though. You get to put an offensive line in front of one of the better quarterbacks and football and they have not done that successfully for russell wilson which is a shame guys get insane. Talent gonna protect them. Oh for sure especially all us give him time. he's got a free wide receiver. Sled get time to get down to that whole like our offense from the running backs they have the depth you know and then the wide receivers they have the talent there even at tight end. They have talent seattle but they don't have the offensive line. They don't have vine shame. It's a shame no they'll either get one or they'll lose their guy one of the. That's that's what we know you either get them having offensive line or they will not have their quarterback for all that long to say the least. It's pretty cool the nfl. All these quarterback musical chairs potentially be fun. See what happens. Feels like these quarterbacks now are doing a little bit like their nba breath and they know they've gotten more power than they have exercised. I've got more power. They have exercised in the past And so now. Who knows i but i. I don't think this is going to become necessarily commonplace in the nfl but it makes for an unbelievable offseason to say least certified you know. Kevin is always a pleasure. Thank you to producer. Sasha as always if we want to take some questions on friday mailbag. We've been getting all kinds of great wins. Give them out that. 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94. SouthWest/East Division Breakdown: 3/28 - 4/4

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94. SouthWest/East Division Breakdown: 3/28 - 4/4

"Welcome to gen z hoops today where nobody southeast division expert nevada day here to break down the path of nba. Action for the hawks. He'd hornets magic and wizards of the hawks on fire lately since taking million stepped in as interim head coach is their season officially turned around. And you think there's still wait a little bit to see what what this hawks team is. We made out of. Yeah so right now. Atlanta is twenty six and twenty four and the four seed in the east They've won three straight and the twelve and four hundred nate mcmillan. This team is completely different than the hawks team. We saw at the beginning where they were sputtering. They were dealing with some injuries. But now it seems like they've kind of figured out a team around trae young. They're getting good production either guys like camera. Tish be andre hunter. Who last season where living up to the hype that they came out of college with. And maybe it's the the rockets fan in me but clinton capella has been absolutely insane. The last few games as last eight games. He's the eighteen point. Four points per game. Fourteen point four rebounds per game two point four blocks per game and in houston two of the biggest problems with them where his fouling and is free throws only averaging two point six thousand game in that span and shooting seventy five percent from the free throw line cling capellas really positioning himself as a top ten big man. He is doing everything atlanta needs to do. He has shown flashes like this before in houston could never to the long sustaining ability. That he has done right now. And i hope that this carries into the play offs i think atlanta has a decent chance of taking a senior round. Depending on who bear matchup is there. I definitely see them as a playoff team. Especially when nate mcmillan at the front. And it's crazy to me because mcmillan known as a defensive guy since he's taken over the shooting forty eight percent field in thirty nine percent from three atlanta. Looks like really well. Officiant team And you know recently. They beat three playoff teams in the west. Beat antonio new orleans and golden state Next update 'em new orleans memphis chicago in charlotte. I'd like to think that they can go for now. I think they're probably go. Three in one memphis is kind of tough in chicago now. And you never know. But i'm really liking what's going on in atlanta and it's so great to think about how they're really trying to corner and and and really poison themselves as a young team to really make a a push for the playoffs. I'm taking over the hornets their team in a similar situation. But instead they've been hit with the injury bug as of weight seating. It still seems to be okay from the outside looking in but what. What are you really see happening there having right now. Charlotte's twenty five and twenty four the six seed. Unfortunately gordon hayward went down with injury against indiana. He's going to be reevaluated for weeks. They're still going to be without lamelo ball so now charlotte without two best players. It's going to be tough because the race is so tight. The race for the playoffs is so tight They just lost the boston by thirty points in. Now you're relying guys that you were relying on last year on a horrible team terry rozier. Pj washington miles bridges and davante. Graham all of our better players than they were last year maybe not graham as much. Grandma's great lassie's he's kind of aggressive but these guys are they going to be able to carry your team into a playoff spot while you're sitting at six and so it's going to be very tough against boston. They didn't shoot while the team shot. Forty percent rose. You're at twenty two but not very good efficiency so the question for charlotte is. What's the plan for the season. I said two weeks ago. You know maybe they should bought him out a week ago. They start winning games. So i was like all right. You know. I just figure out what's going to happen now with gordon out. What's really the plan here. Do you fall out. you fall out in. Take your chance in the lottery. Get one of these top five guys or do get the guys like terry rozier devante graham. Pj washington miles bridges and take them to the playoffs. Give them a round of playoff experience as these young players potentially lamelo ball back by then as well do you go for that. Playoff experience really get like throw the youth into the fire. Essentially me personally. I think that's the way charlotte needs to go about this. Go into with the idea of. We're trying to wait out. We need to make the playoffs. We need to get these guys plavix rates because love for teams like charlotte who are in these smaller markets. Don't acquire big guys. They don't make the playoffs at often. I mean charlotte hasn't made the playoffs twenty sixteen. They've made it three times since two thousand two and they haven't left the first round since two thousand two. So what's the plan here with charlotte. I think they need to focus on their winning plans. Really lean into terry rozier. Who's having a great season. Lean into pj washington and having trying to take over as secondary guys. So lamelo ball comes back. Or maybe gordon hayward comes back for playoff time there. Well oiled machine with first second options. It's gonna be tough. 'cause teams like boston or just sitting there waiting for the hornets to slip waiting for this one or two teams in the race to fall out so they can jump in but at charlotte has a good chance to be able to capitalize on it. They're amazing o'casey milwaukee atlanta a those first two games are way i can see them winning atlanta and o'casey but milwaukee's probably going to be a loss still one game about five hundred stove sixteen. I think charlotte is good chance of making the playoffs now. The management team. That's obviously been struggling as of late and they shook up their roster big time at the deadline. But what do you really think. We could see from them after all the movie man. Yeah so the magic seventeen and thirty three to the fourteenth seed and It's the same story every week. Almost the idea obviously at the trade deadline was the bottom out. And they're looking to do just that they split their last four games just fine and said straight line. The offense has just been horrible but you expect that with a team with no creators. no point guards Shooting forty two percent from the field thirty percent from three to four in that span so now for the magic. You're saying okay. We're basically throwing away the season to try and get a top pick. What are the bright spots our getting out of it. So since the bridge trade low bomba's averaging ten five and sixteen minutes since legitimate strayed mogambo has been averaging ten and five and sixty minutes solid numbers for whom the would look better if they didn't play utah he got absolutely dominated by rudy. Gobert dag favors and orlando loss. Game by forty. Six points other than obama kiki to mow kiki in his last seven games averaging sixteen points per game six rebounds per game seven assists for sixty three assists per game And ardent since coming to orlando's abject tenant four and a half assists so those three young guys as well as coy. Anthony markelle folds jonathan isaac wendo car junior and potentially top-five five pig in this draft. The future is nice in orlando. I just do the right thing with it this time because last time. They didn't do a good job now. Moving onto the wizards they come along with since the start of the year but the real season for them is starting now with with their schedule. Wasting up obvious that push for that plan spot. What can we really expect Now that they've really started to go from human stride tahina stri to now the kind of no-man's-land Yeah i guess. So the wizards of seventeen and thirty one. Twelve seed and their three games behind a plan spot. Now they're seven and a half games behind sixty and so they're probably not gonna make the playoffs there. They might make a plan. They have the chance of making a plan. But you're you're taking the risk of hoping these teams above you slip up the teams above. You are chicago boston. Toronto all of which will toronto got. Gary trent is doing amazing right now. Chicago went and got nikola vuckovich and then. Boston is starting to win games. And you can't bet against guys like jalen brown. Jason tatum to lose out in not make the playoffs. So the wizards are horrible. Position of you are so for back. And you're not going to be able to fight your way up. It might be time for the wizards to sit down and reassess what the plan is for next year. They lost a detroit. Who's the worst team in the league. Right now By twenty nine points even of bradley beal to play in his last eight ten games. Russell westbrook's averaging twenty four points fourteen assists while rebounds per game. He's doing everything he can. And so what. What what you do here if you're if you're the wizards It's a horribly built team. they need they really do need a change from just from top to bottom because honestly whenever you have guys like riley beyond you wanna lean into them you wanna keep them around. Why would you go. Draft is where project pigs and any idea even though both of them have been very good players. wine are go for the more established guy. The guy that's gonna get you into the playoffs The wizards have not done the right things over the last few years. I think it's time to move on from bradley. Beal get what you can out of russell westbrook or use him as tank commander and have him. Just play with a bunch of young guys. In my opinion there's no better player to play with a bunch of raw young players than russell westbrook in the league. We saw that in. Okay see we saw what he did with. The team with terence ferguson. Andre roberson too. Big minute players. It's time for the wizards. Try and move on. See what you can get out of the guys you have move on from bradley beal and just start fresh. that's all. I can really say about the wizards. I don't think there's a chance of making the playoffs. Their next games are toronto. Orlando golden state in phoenix. All of them are on the road. Good luck is when. I have to say forward for the wizards thinking about the heat who've actually claim really really well at and they looked inside the season that strong. But if i'm just looking at the looks like they're really starting to make a move. Can we expect them to kind of look the way they did. Lash one of those sleeper teams. Do think that it probably more as what they're seeing suggest. Yes the miami heat. The twenty six and twenty four right now tied with atlanta for the poor seed but atlanta has the tiebreaker They've won four straight since the trade deadline. Whenever i talked about the trade deadline i said you know i think they made some decent moves both games that they'd had a depot they've won but ola depot has been a horrible offensively seven points per game twenty eight percent from the field ten percent from three forty three percent from the free throw line and then three and a half turnovers game a small sample size. Only two games. But not the start. You want from a guy who you know. You're expecting to sign on close to a max deal. This offseason. miami has start might be questioned. Also be elite sunday broader only averaging four and a half points for game only shooting thirty percent from three. You brought him in to replace kelly olynyk now in houston is averaging almost twenty points per game on really efficient shooting and arguably the best player right now on the rockets. So how much of this win streak is more so just bad opponents or just luck they beat the next the pacers the warriors cavs none of those fourteen necessarily bad teams but is there anybody on the cavs that defensively stop anybody. On the heat. I would say no The warriors who just got blown out by fifty plus points against the raptors like. How much weight do you really put on The knicks both defensive teams. Ninety eight to eighty eight like you didn't do anything crazy to me in that and so the riott heat you know a team. That just made the finals you. You shouldn't be impressed with a four game winning streak but you just made the finals arguably the third best player on your team who just came minutes. It really really struggling. How much. how how. How long is this win streak in alas the big question. I struggled to see this working in the playoffs. Long long-term i think they can win a series but it really just depends on who they match up right now if it stopped. If the season ended they will be playing atlanta and i think they could beat atlanta the seven game series. But could you beat the likes of philly or milwaukee or brooklyn for that matter and so i. I don't know if if miami has what it takes to really repeat what they did. Last season it comes down to what victor depot they vigil the depot kelly olympic at avery bradley and he's bitterly depot of houston than you know. What did you really get out of that. But he's depot indiana pre injury. Then you know all of a sudden my adds a top fifteen player in the league is only going to suddenly become that probably not. Can you become that player in a year or two. That's what miami is really looking for here. I think all decide is less of this year more next year obviously always two years out of injury you want them to be kind of back to form the first year first year and a half or so are always a little tougher by any has memphis The lakers and then portland trail blazers up next Those first two games at home. The blazers games away. I'm interested to see what happens in miami. I don't think they'll fall out of the playoffs by any means but will they make a deep in the playoffs. I'm a skeptic. Gen z hoops today. Where jomar marsalis division expert curtis johnson hit down the week of mba action for the grizzlies. Mavericks spurs pelicans and rockets curtis the grizzlies in the nine spot. Right now and really. In the thick of things over there in the west What do you see them. These extra games doing a really set them apart and we make a break their season. Yeah i think what they're gonna do is continue to play together what they've been doing all year Doing real good on defensively. A definitely starts on defense. The anthony milton has been shown. Evidence time he's been given a plan. The last couple of games knees last three games. You shouldn't The anthonys averaging fourteen points a game shooting a career high forty four percent from three this year that's a huge leap freedom of versus last year when he basically was brought in to be justa defender kind of a real good defender and lay good beckham and his blood now. He's shown he can do a little bit more and Definitely going to help the sane yona's also continues to tear up stat sheet with rebounding over last three games. He's been averaging twenty one point. Six points thirteen rebounds and he currently system third over offer league and rebounds at twelve point. Five game jaren jackie. You know he continues to be out spending to be back at some point in april great news and just he's missed last couple of games due to a that soreness of on public relation page what it says. But i see the same. They have a con up stress coming up here at egland. Seventy sixers mind. The atlanta hawks in nixed this week so so a pretty tough scratch coming up. I think they can win. Definitely a couple of games if not all four definitely need some momentum going on her side San antonio gone on a losing streak sweet and they have a tough row spritz coming up in a week by week and a half where they play a portland trailblazers twice. Denver nuggets twice in the clippers. So definitely want to get a couple of wins right now that way. If you do get a loss on the back end things kind of offsets definitely in this motion make or break it for a lot of teams the special included with with all the games. You miss god with the with colored protocols how the mavericks fan who are also kind of ethic things but they won four games in a row. And i'm i'm curious to think about. It looks like for them. And maybe i'm climate though standings ed out mavericks are looking amazing right now. They finished the week up or no terrific basketball. A i don't know if trade a da is has a big influence on it with them. Getting a jared. He hasn't played a game yet. Still our to injury. She'll be back soon but these guys therefore no a local continues to dominate on the season. He's averaging twenty eight points eight rebounds not necess- in the last four games inara when his group is averaging twenty eight point six rebounds and six assists Kristaps sia in games that he played he played three. He's averaging eighteen points eight rebounds a game. He missed one back to back. Due to knee injury management. Tim hardaway continues to perform well in sixth man role. He's averaging sixteen point six points a game while shooting in thirty nine point seven percent from three as i said before when the season before it even started Maths to continue to move up the standings possibly could see them a surpassing the lakers would the run a out had definitely cosc- dallas leapfrogging them and the portland trailblazers. They have a telescope. Would utah on monday. Game against the rockets division rival. They play the bucks and got one against the spurs so they want to get a little mormon momentum on the spurs and the seven the seven spot to kinda get the tiebreaker. They definitely need to win a game. So it'd be interesting. How you guys. But i think if local continues to move as i said here going to hear his name an mvp stan. I don't think he'll win it biggest kind of too late. You have nicola joker up different nuggets. Who's is nice men in the bucket as late as well as dang lillard. So i think it'd be hard to pass so god as well as joel embiid. Because he's he came back off injury. A saturday against minnesota timberwolves and he's still looked phenomenal. So we'll see what happens. But i think the dow's members will continue to move up to standards impossible Finish a india six or five seat interesting stuff there and stuff as super important in a low western concentrate get as far away from that plan tournament game as possible to kind of lock yourself into that playoff patriot. The rockets stat. That twenty one game losing streak a little while ago but it looks like they want a new one was breaking a streak attorney pointed. You think we're going to start seeing more of the same from them. Honestly i hate to say it. But i think it's to be going to be a letter saying what them I don't i don't predict them going on another twenty one game loses streak definitely. I think they'll get a win here. And they're kind of like the minnesota timberwolves which the timberwolves are planning exceptionally. Well basketball right now. Anthony edwards coming into his own but on iraq is. I just think you know they're gonna they're gonna win some games you'd be like You not be like this is a win on the list of the game. We can count the the way and they're gonna shop team and they won't get back up to twenty one losing streak but a bright spot for them. A positive spot has been killing olympic since to trade Since he's been tried in the last regains he's averaging sixteen points five rebounds while shooting thirty seven point five percent from three prior to the to shoot thirty one percent in miami. So that's a significant jump from two thirty in thirty eight percent academically see him. I don't think he's really a starter. You may say a delicacy him in christian Need to build around kalinic The floor and he can help christian would another guy who's been playing wilfred him. Another bright spot has been given porter jr. been bryce by the last three games. Averaging fourteen points three rebounds of you guys have any Kelly olympic an airport junior on because those guys are definitely both gonna play in the gay And go demand doesn't get an easier this week. They gotta play the pelicans which i could see them. Possibly been pelicans. Pelicans have injury which i'll talk about later on. Got sons mavericks includes the next four game so three does Going to be very tough to win elegance. You know maybe knock mocks. If they're all night they have an injury bug. But as i said before that dan rebuild them. All you're just trying to figure out what guys you wanna have and future Basically it was made the bitter rock christian would and the keep john wall dare a long-term and linen finished his career out there. You trade him and offseason trying to get more draft picks and cash considerations for the future. But we'll see what happens with the rockets. Thank you you know guy guys. You wanna keep young guys. You wanna keep and you're going to be around with fishing. Would it's incredible that we're talking now about them. Building on christian woodward at the start of the season owner would have ever thought that the competition would have with the rockets on moving over to the pelicans. I'm they're also that maybe recently maybe like the performance of zionists a team that maybe a lot of us are keeping our eyes on a. What are you seeing happening there and well. What are these few games for them. Pelicans dern a spot that they do not want to be in this moment. Derek condominium us the memphis grizzlies were in earlier in the season there now. Fighting the injury bug was usually happens to some teams is going to happen. James at some point in season just a matter of wind happens. And how do you adapt or he wins while you have guys out with injuries. What are you know major role player star players and it just hit them now Lonzo ball he still missed a been out with a hip injury He dare return sunday But he's been out for like a week or two with the hip injury bringing him. He's out with a toe injury and on is out with a thumbs. Brain is what they're calling it. And now you have josh. Hart who is out now with a thumb injury will which could put him out for the rest of the year so these guys are gonna have to figure things out. How can you weighing games. Because they have a very tough scratch going forward to have a very tough scratch. These guys are going to have to play the rockets. The nets hawks in the seventy sixers. Just got joel. Embiid back so discovered definitely doesn't get any easier Hopefully give somebody guys back over there. Day to day. injuries That they can come back from a design running back to playing and You know they did not as time to a ten day contract of definitely interesting house as towns performs Coming back to the nba. Going to be a sight to see. He said he's going to wear number twenty four for a late great kobe bryant all which is where all you know. My wishes world's isaiah when he makes his debut for northbound. I hope he does well. He's a great guy and You know they're going to say if they wanna stay in this race. I think he's gonna fit the whale because he can't score the basketball. And that's what Stan gun he likes the guy that can score the basketball and was gonna shoot. Shoot three to whatever we can do. Contribute to this team right away. And noah josh hart out. I think that that void. He can definitely feel the void of scoring. So we'll see how they do need next coupla games. Hopefully i guess. I'm going to god's back sooner than later because of injuries lonzo. He did come back on sunday. He came back and played. Hopefully zainab running comeback at some point this week to these guys competitive in try to stay in the play in right now but the sacramento has been making a run as of late screen and think about that and then grappling with the spurs. They're a team that maybe recently just with how close every game is in the western conference mites themselves dropping the lower levels of that planning game on. What would you see having damage as we as we closed in the and a lot of these other teams in this division are right on their heels or right there with them man. meals 'burbs a as i said before i could see slipping out of that. Seventy eight five and possibly even dropping down not even making the playing game The count uproot me right at this point. I hope they proved me wrong. Because i've never moved to anything. Except when the grizzlies you notice spurs. They lost two games this week in overtime. Both of them in time they lost Said hawk that they lost to the hawks Went to england hawks in loss in overtime. The they're just gonna have to figure things out Get an easier like nobody else's does this week. They have cleveland. You know definitely one. We'll gang but then they have the nuggets twice so nobody's are finding extract for playoff position as well to move up and jokers trying to get an mvp. I'm sure running. Mvp home to denver saw with doesn't get any easier like none of the other teams. Do i can see them. Driving under to play in game with autism recent surge in the sacramento kings. They've been playing well as of late. You have new orleans. Pelicans are steady gaining ground. Trying to move up And golden state things have no golden state been on lescot of laid curry's been out again atlanta with the injury with his tailbone tailbone injury so you know it just looks crazy. Who's going to have that ten spot. 'cause risley's kind of have they went on to win streak. They separate the stuff a little bit. Like i said they have some tough games coming up as well. But you have basically golden state new orleans right now at sacramento they're basically They have twenty seven segments. Twenty eight right now each teams fighting for that since focus us wanna opportune to play playing. Because if you're going to play a game you know. Hey i at least. I have a shot to win two games against the god the people trying to get the ac. I have a chance to get in. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a tough nail scratch and claw is going to be interested who's going to be ended at the end. The spurs continued to play hard. They have all season continued with gregg. Popovic I think they're gonna give you a chance to at least be playing game but i could see the team that drops out of right now at memphis senate. Tony will golden state sending eight nine and ten respectively nuggets identity. Seen him drop down a little bit more. But we'll see how things go They're definitely gonna eat d'amato rose and continue to lead the scene as he has done in the last four games even though they loss You know three to four. He's ever twenty six points. Four rebounds seven point five assists on the season. He's after twenty. One points. Four rebounds seven assists and derek. Wiseman plan phenomenal as of welfare domestic last four games. You guys should definitely pick him up on a fantasy league in the last four. He's averaging twenty one points and four rebounds on the seat averaging fourteen points three mount and he's shooting thirty four percent from three. So i definitely think you guys should pick derek whyte up on fantasy and we'll see how this week goes who who gets more ground in standing who goes back going to be very interest- interesting weekend. I didn't say it's very funny. That involved basically all the south southwest teams are all fighting for the positioning in seven. Eight nine and ten spot. So minus the rocks proper. Not gonna make it but dallas san antonio grizzlies in all your slots to get into the playoffs in his gonna. Probably december eight seat right now. So we'll see how things go. But i think it's going to be a lot of scrapping to get those spots.

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Which i believe makes him are set sets him alone as our most gifted person. He's the most tenured guest. He's like leave martin of sports use. I'll take it. Yeah yeah so. Leasing gentlemen Brendan rourke is the terminology contributing writer. Yeah contributors fine but yet four pacers dot com. His team is off tonight so he was kind enough to join us to discuss his pacers. The franscisco in charles heat. I guess my magic. Even though i don't know what the hell is going on. We're we were twenty seven teens teams in the national basketball association jong and once again brennan work. Thank you for having me on again. I really appreciate it always fun. I've i've i've labeled this episode. A was a gondola ride down the nba river. I don't know why. I went with the gondola theme. And i i i think it was so i think it was partially because charles reminded me of that. That scene willie wonka when they get on the boat and all the stuff started happening so and if you look on youtube. There's a lot of really awful stuff that happens. And that's basically what's going to happen during this review of the nba have prepared because last episode was i literally woke up and did the show at charles had to carry us the entire way. And we terry. If i have to do it and we just talked about nintendo the second half of the so i. I was wholly unprepared after. I guess i was. I was gassed from the nhl episode. So let's look let's jump into it. Let's go let's let's let's move forward. I have for the most part. Actually i didn't really look at the top teams in the meeting. But let's go into the eastern conference because that's where all of our teams are situated and we're going to start from the bottom and reach our way up to the top and let's let's go. Let's go the detroit pistons. Everybody yeah me. Critical features api may participate in the nba. For sure awe. Yes detroit pistons. Everybody home little caesars arena. Get those a five dollar peak says That might be the only thing that's good little. Caesars arena i. guess. I don't know if the fans in i would assume that's a that's a delicacy that they're offering but yeah. The pistons are not a very good team. they're nine and twenty five the worst team in the nba. Well actually no the second worse team in the nba at the moments. Oh man look at these. I pulled up numbers people. I researched they. They're they're tank is most formidable for sure. The only other team that is going up against some of the minnesota timberwolves. And that's on the other side when we get to the western conference in the second half but Yeah that there Let's see had on my nose. The only thing they are good at is they have a semi decent defense but They are twenty six in scoring twenty six and rebounds per game twenty seventh and field. Goal percentage twenty six and three point physical percentage. They're their ninth and turnovers so they they will take the ball from now but they won't do much afterwards and their fifteenth which which is why i said semi decent defense at a points per game allowed one hundred twelve point one but they only score one hundred seven point five per game so that's they will be losing a lot and that's what they have been doing. So that's the pistons. And the only notable player that i have been looking at jeremy grant at twenty three point four points per game. He's got thirty six blocks so far on the season so what about my cripple ginger baby. He's griffin i. He's not gonna be. He's he's not long for detroit's come on now. What we know that so come on over. Give me a massive reduction that salary. I mean jeremy tach one people has been on before at same that may be linked. Swung over to miami on a very hostile scott. Does we can't afford. Maybe he will learn to care. And i know the expectation is that he wants starter. Men's low you know. I don't have love for kelley so let me have olympic on the bench oregon precious. But we'll talk about that. Get there get rid of the blake. Maybe you're got rid of derrick rose vials to new york. You don't you don't love him principal. He doesn't he doesn't make you think about the possibilities. Is that accent. Highschool got their stuff straight. They weren't sniffing glue anymore. I will he be able to make it there though. That's the thing he's been a glass all right. He's like your boy giancarlo sentence. Aaron judge so But i i don't know what do you think brendan. What do you think about the pill. I mean. I don't think you think many people think much about the there. There's not much to write home about the pistons struggling. Jeremy grad does not have any health across the board. I mean this second best starter. They have is probably mason plumbly. That was the other thing. I was like at the manager. Mike mason plumlee is leading them in a lot of categories and plumlee is almost averaging a double up with. Yeah for him. Yeah but it is only ten points. Compared to jeremy grants twenty three point. Four points every other starter on the pistons. Rosser does not average ten points per game new The pistons have beaten some teams wildly. It is quite understandable. A quite an anomaly. What they've done recently especially in the month of february. They beat brooklyn boston in new orleans in a span of like eight days So that's three of their nine wins. Which has magical. If your team is going up against the pistons. It is considered a can't lose game at this point known of nobody except jeremy. Graham has any firepower team yet. The races any the heat have lost. The the orlando magic have lost his. Yeah all right. Yeah that's about it. Let's let's move on enough for detroit. They're like the ottawa. Senators just enough. Let's let's move on. The senators also had like for them a massive winning streak with three games in a row. It's like toronto and montreal. Whatever i'm like. oh okay. They did the same thing. it's like. Okay now they're done. They're done for their about to reach double digits so and the same thing for the pistons. Get that one but we got ten we got ted. Okay no one wants to charlotte bobcats. Yeah seven that one year. Yes something like that. Next the cleveland cavaliers lear fourteen and twenty one. They're not bueno. Either skipping the magic up. Oh well. Yeah i wrote this off. Don't worry we'll get to orlando necks than because i wrote this yesterday. And of course games it happened. So now i gotcha doors schedules. But they're fortunate twenty one another bridge year for rebuilding team. They're bad but they've had a few bright spots this season. Few games there therefore no again she. The the th the seventy sixers which goes to charles's argument that they're frauds and the brooklyn nets as well so therefore no against those teams and their free over overtime and they are on a hot streak entering the break. So gay cleveland. They are yeah. They're they're doing all right. Actually they have one more game. And it is against the indiana pacers. And so i have actually done a lot of studying on the cavaliers. As late notable player. That i've checked andre drummond thirteen point five rebounds per game forty steals eighteen double doubles at the moment. Drummond is actually being sidelined Because this is a big controversy in the nba but Team is sitting drummond for the potential of a trade. They don't want him to get hurt or anything and it goes into the argument. Well james harden did this wall asking for a trade in the eventually to brooklyn but he was still able to play and the team the cavaliers organization has opted to sit drummond until he is either traded or they work out another deal it but it works both ways you sit the man you you've tried them off and you help your tank. Some bats the whole thing i i. I applaud a team. That knows how to tank correctly and this is the way that you tank correctly lived there. There's some formidable tanks in in detroit in minnesota. The cavs are going to do anything to to go up against them. Yes set your best player and take those losses. This this win streak is is ruining things for them. What's going on komo but things. They have some potential because collins. Sects in what this year now. He's really kind of shot up. And i remember his rookie season. it was just. It was a typical Wannabe shooter coming from college. But he's kind of refined that technique getting twenty three point. Nine points a game for the season Dearest garland still having some time to adjust. But it's more or less about jd. bickerstaff He's the coach now. Glad that he's had that opportunity kind of if memory serves me right because you look at what they did with them behind last year and he was kinda old man river kind of retirement. It's not like the whole play into it. But biggers was the interim coach for the rockets when they fired come kevin mchale and i was really at that opportunity coming into it. So there's some pieces in place. We all know the reason. Why the drum. And also. Because got jared allen i believe franck way brooklyn trade so jared album is fine investment and he has more of an offensive skills. Set because of a callback on. I feel like that's been a theme of what i've got in our prior conversation. But he he'll take shots. Might my friends a pistons fan so he suffered through the andre drummond saga and you'll just see driven put up shot. They should be. It should just be put back guy. We're trying to get that That law coming into it. But he's trying to take up these contestant twos near the rim inches missing everything nowhere near close to it so he he'll get traded. I wanna see people get traded. Who clearly are not in the plants and i. i don't think what you can expedite a trade when it's clear really clearly written on the wall. We have no intention for you and you really don't want wanna be with us and you still have your contract means a contract. That's not gonna be renegotiated. I could be maybe the easiest but just gotta get up because it's baffled And also it makes you wonder. Is it kind of a little bit of indentured. Servitude going on here are not just the guy play ball. There's a lot of issues that come into it. But cleveland least they might be able to have a better second half doesn't mean that class for the get into that eight nine ten ridge. it's considered. yeah they they definitely could get into that eight nine ten range and Compete in there. They're having that mini tournament again. Right a set of nights or whatever seven through ten or the plan team and The two stats. That actually stuck out right. Now is What you talked about sexton where sex actually has not has scored twenty points in nine. Straight games Right now and Jared allen has recorded a double double i believe nine straight games as well. And now they have to play the pacers who are on losing skid So they could pick up. I mean they could easily pick up this wind. It'll be riding a five game winning streak if they'd be the pacers heading into the second half season so so it's it's a matter it's a matter of of both sides do you Go with the whims of the tank. Get seduced by the tank or these three. See like it's it'd be nice if these guys competed for something at least and they can get the experience and learn. There's the other side of the argument there. They've been screwed by the lottery before so. Don't think tanks going to work because anthony benezet comes to mind right so i don't know a. What do you want to be as a team. You made the bad coaching hire now. You have a good coaching hired. You have potential your players and it's one of those things i don't know it's kinda like it's kinda like trying to take a test just an entry exam but you know you have just a study little bit and you'll pass smell problem maybe not able to see. That's how i feel is cleveland. Just try a little bit better and if anything gopher some establish of bats if you're trying to drum it analytic and then maybe that's good enough to get around because you know what's gonna happen. There's one team in the east maybe to these that suffer the multi injury to their starters. Brooklyn's kind of that but there do high up the fall so down quickly. A must heart goes out to but it's going to happen. It always happens where to starves. Go down and maybe you just go that momentum or a dislike you just find yourself rising up the ranks all right. Let's move on. Let's cleveland right there. The crossroads at the moment next the orlando magic thirteen twenty to face the southeast division. They would probably be the best team in the nba because they are foreign one against their own division where they can't seem to figure everybody else and which is woefully unsupported. They're like so they are. They are wasting this man's career at the moment. The magic are twenty ninth in scoring hundred four point nine per game. They're fourth in rebounds that's mainly because of usage forty six point six Their thirtieth in field goal percentage so are the worst shooting team in the nba. Twenty third and three point field goal percentage thirteenth points per game average and one hundred eleven point six and twenty sixth and thirteen point three turnovers per game in their loan notable player at twenty four point four points per game low points six rebounds per game forty eight point three field goal percentage twenty three double doubles and one hundred sixteen point five offensive rating. Get that manson help. Please is drowning in. Disneyworld is in lake buena vista right. Now just drowning. Andrew save andrew. Give give the magic. You'll love so they can save them the lightning in the bucks bandwagon. The issue they should imagine. Have all vich. Health is hurt. It doesn't matter it's been. It's been a rotating door players for the magic. I mean they were wounded they. They started the season. I believe like six two. And then you know Markelle foles goes out the entire year with an acl and you know who was having a literal probable comeback player of the year. While they don't have that season they don't have that. It's the most improved player of the week award. Now gonna comeback player. But you know an air. Gordon's been out since february or since the start of february and i mean they haven't will not have jonathan isaac their star defensive player for the entire year. Still and now. They're they're nice shining. Rookie cole anthony out. He's been out since scantily with a rib fracture and he'll be out until at least pass the all star break the last. I've heard of them. And then it's been a rotating door of all the other injured people. I mean Out for amino as miss time michael carter. Williams has missed time Evan forty as missed a couple of games here and there he's back he's been doing well for him as they're kinda three point specialists but i mean if you were to play the injury card for one team on mba team this season i would put it on their land magic. If you're allowed to put it on someone good points. Good points with these demands. There's no help. what is there a hospital. Disneyworld that can put someone at disney magic. Tinkerbell can just kind of wave the wand and and save everybody not sure okay next. This is going to be fun. The washington wizards now. I okay at least you have the injury car that he can play bradley. Beal aside from russ. Who's having you know. Russ he's doing russ things. The man the man the man needs some help there. They are and what what. His numbers are ridiculous. So far it is. I think he's close to thirty thirty three points a game. Thirty three point two points per game. Which is the league-leading league-leading forty eight point five from field goal range and forty one steals at the moment and washington their seventh in points per game. So it's not thousand eight. That's the thing as the day. Just can't play defense they are. They are twenty ninth in points per game allowed at one hundred nineteen and their seventh and one hundred and fourteen so there. There is the reason that that's how you see. That's another losing losing. But they've increased a little bit because a couple of weeks ago we started like the state of nba at when the season was like in its inception they were like really bad out there. Just bad i. I don't know how long of a leash scott brooks has but it's coming and you know it's coming And i don't know what their expectations were if they even really concern themselves to be a playoff team but with bill and to a degree with russ you know there should be some competitive level in. The problem is with ross's i think anywhere. Get straight to be satirical. Darwin and as the player he wants to be now. And that's okay because mainly the nba. Having a statistical darling matters it gets the jersey sold. It gets the tickets to have people come in. But i think after that we working with gary trent junior On bring up the ross. Right now robin lopez team wral nido who has basically been kinda running around as your second year but he was in utah. If i remember well ish miss out. So he gets a pass. Their brewery hachi more yeah and then mo lackner who the only people actually like mo wagner with the people who didn't want me to trade away when he was with the lakers. Oh and then. You have alex len phoenix and everywhere else. He just a big man whose concert up lopez. But we don't know what does that. But they're just kinda like one of those interesting teams. Because i i think just like bradley beal too much now. And it's sad but it's loaded albatross contract words in comparison you're seeing in houston and they're looking for different reasons but it's kind of like couldn't you just kept the band together with wall him anyway. I mean russ's triple doubles or great but stat speaking. But i don't know how much longer their coach has in a very interested. But i just feel bad for bill. Yeah i mean. I'm just going to piggyback off of that. It's tough seeing bill. Put in all this work. And then you have russell westbrook who is getting twenty points per game but you gotta look at his field. Goal percentage and three point percentage especially. I mean. he's not exactly three points specialists what he is averaging three and a half three point attempts per game but he's shooting twenty seven and a half percent from beyond the arc I mean he's averaging forty two percent from the field in general while veal averaging nearly fifty cents so he's not he's not blown up the stats and helping bill as he should and i mean he does lead in rebounds for the team. But i you need more. You'd need more fair question. I wanna ask you. This will be my last thought on washington and it's really unprecedented to have a team. That is probably not going to make the playoffs. But you have one player really elevating Every single wet there there has not been a washington victory. that has not had bill really in play. can we not can we. Can we just get rid this whole concept that you don't have to be a great winning team for the possibility in mvp because he that guy who was kind of showing for consideration this team might be under five hundred and he should still be. I would say the top five for the voting. I don't know if he's one to especially how much what you wanna give. Katie and lebron and katie may have mussa points because like that. He's gonna be out so long from this season. But i i. I know hardens probably going to be. Everybody is talk at the end of it. Because he's gonna come close to a triple double and a different manner but some love and if he has any contract accelerators because he's just doing so fantastic lunka contract accelerators to and yeah that that goes back to mile mild adage of the entire. Mvp conversation for any sport. He is literally the wizards most valuable human being this. Like you know it without the wizards nobody without deal. Nobody's watching wizards. Maybe if you've russell westbrook fans stick around but can't put westbrook as i fiddle. Expect expect the outlet. You want so bill. Is that most valuable player. Four eighteen kinda like russell wilson and the nfl. But anyway that's a different topic. Yeah okay so the next. The atlanta hawks fourteen and twenty they they exist. They exist the plane of mediocrity. That's what i got for them discussing Hundred thirteen points per one hundred possessions while they have allowed one hundred twelve point nine points for one hundred possessions. So that's not really the best spot that you want to be in the fourteenth in league scoring twenty first in points allowed Eighth and rebounds twenty first and field goal percentage nineteenth and three point field goal percentage and the only trae. That's one player. But i i highly clink capella. This time tells point great. Fourteen point one week is forty point. One rebounds a game that leaves the nba fifty nine point to fill percentage got seventy blocks third in the nba. He's a good good year out in atlanta. I mean he was great in houston but the reason why they traded on this because dantonio on that small kind of look like super small ball. And you do that. Capello was always a special guy was howard's heir apparent. It was already in play as rookie in the second year. The howard was there in houston. And i feel like the charleston honest effect game because about two weeks ago. Rented crap off the atlanta hawks. Because i think my conversation francisco was what the hell's going on because they paper between them between Trae cappella and guy forget his other name. Their ford jonah. Joan collins my collins. Thank you collins that that should be to so much better. They just recently fired. Lloyd pierce i think. He was the second coach firing this year because the personal was ryan ciders which was appropriate to fire that because he just wasn't ready this coach g. league and i know there was injuries and stuff like that but only some people get the injury issues as a coach but i think they want nate mcmillan from the reports. I've been reading their whole thing about the loyalty concept. I think nate mcmillan. This might be his last hurrah. Because i don't see anybody really wanna give him that opportunity. I would feel because you've had not one but also attempts to make Maker name in it and as a result anything that you wanted but you wanna kinda concern too. Because that's a good core. I mean trey is always offensively. Good but he isn't good defensively. that was kind of. It's not coming up with oklahoma when he was a college player. And sometimes you wonder but it's just a good core. What could be maybe two years from now if they get the right people and that's for any team i think when we say about a young team but there's valid reason why we say so atlanta you know. Maybe they come around. I don't know but they're interesting team for me to watch and observe. Yeah they're definitely going to be interesting. Especially with nate mcmillan. Capella is going to be the factor. After that point a trae young gonna get his points. That's that's trae young but mcmillan africa covering him with pacers last year Mcmillan's gonna run your old style. Run the play through the center down low Type of offense and it's going to be interesting to see pella can handle. I mean he's already handling pretty well but it's going to be interesting to see. Capella can handle. Mcmillan's offense in the second half of the season. He's gonna have a lot of responsibility. Okay well that's that's atlanta so let's move on chicago fifteen eighteen. They are also there the just sneaking in there on the tenth seed with the play in round. I guess if the season ended today they've got pieces but they are a young team and they don't know how to play defense once. I figured out that maybe they'll be fine. Their eighth in scoring on fourteen point seven points per game third and field goal percentage night. Three point field goal percentage but the twenty fourth in points allowed and their first antonio's turnover. Sorry so yeah. And zach levine. Having self twenty point seven points per game fifty two point four field goal percentage at the moment so chicago. I how you guys feel about the bulls. I mean there. I don't i don't see them a fervent any egg above mediocrity with the weather with the way they play i mean again. You're going to have your stars but you're gonna need time to for colby. Were developed to develop it more. I mean cove is going to be a barring any injury. kobe's gonna be you know stellar player in for years to come There they lost lauri markkanen there three point shooter for a little bit now. And they're lacking on that end as well. They're lacking i mean. Laurie's been averaging was averaging the second most points per game before getting hurt so i'd rather not. I don't see them improving unless you ride. The defense improves. But they love score. They don't love to get back. That's basically it. I mean you could tell you could say that for brooklyn to but when you have three good scores on brookwood making get away with it a little more blow it up. I don't think we're going to get better. And they're improving under bill. I think he may be the right coach. But this is my thoughts on zach. Lippi is the booker effect. And i don't know if brennan was there for ice devon booker pooh-pooh session if you were the only guy and you're of course you're going to have a higher day in a higher scoring production. It's what else can you do. And when you're playing a guard position. If i'm going to my booker pooh-poohed show forget. When you're playing a guard position you need to elevate your people not sometimes. It's not gonna show statistically statistically on the make us it's the assist to assist. I know hockey. Does that stat. And i really would love it. Basketball implemented that and there were looking into zach levine and yes he scoring such a high number at twenty points a game and he's got five rebounds and five assists and that's all cute and stuff but he's kind of been doing this for a while the last two years. It's a slightly higher number now but he was always kind of like the pseudo sug when he was traded over because he was always the guy implementing it and career-wise kind of shows this year the biggest increase has been his three point percentage because look career stats now. Going forty three at three point. That's great but i'm not allowed by it and this is a guy who if he hasn't had a contract extension will be getting bigger money of it. But what are we going to settle for. You mentioned mediocrity. I just see. I don't think he's a mediocre player. But he's just the player because learn making it who is probably not gonna get sent out. This is his second injury failure. If i remember correctly you have to give time for kobe and everything else. Everything else while rio for anybody. Who's listening trying to conceptualize basketball or to andrew. The reason why bad teams are bad is because you don't have the right team built up. Its plentiful maso thomas around ski. Who was basically a backup to the wizards last year. Wall went without your fire. Denzel valentine who has not developed whatsoever from his draft stock when he was saying. I think he was outside of lottery. Pick but barely like pick thirteen fourteen. Gary temple balanced around a lot in the east. And then do that. We've been no like a Adam okocha cocoa when the song kicking in my head announce can decipher. I know who Is is it the right team shirt. But what do we know about the bulls. they have history also not just inconsistent management. But they're also kind of cheap and so if you're chia you're not going to really and of course his ad places. I'm trying to look at just comparison being to leave it at that. He was doing all this great stuff last year. He's at fifty percent between nineteen twenty twenty forty five percent field goal your prior forty six percent vehicle. He was a twenty eight points this year. Twenty five the prior twenty three the year before that it's there but nothing's movie and yes i understand too that you can say that Charles you had mentioned that. There's a lot of talent coming into coaching. I think the nets coach and they have not pulled to maybe making comes in and then he starts making more threes levin i don't know man in my teddy. Might have a stupid. please tell me. I think i am. Sometimes i will eat humble pie when it comes to phoenix francis guy. Promise you but levine. Gives me the devon booker effect. You're supposed to be this great. But are you that game changer. He's going to need help. And it's gonna come from kobe white but koby needs another year. Might now shorthanded engine. They do have an opt. Shout out because the pacers love this man they do have bench. God sad young. I had seen so many tweets when replies same with land stevenson. But i think that boat has sailed but calling for for anybody in the pacers organization to bring that back. I think all of them are a little alexander. Got a little bit of a a kind of past fever with bad young. Yes he's gonna bring new energy off the bench. Yes he's going to do things yes. He currently leads the bulls in steals per. Game with one boeing. Four but sad young Isn't who you should be going off. The bench is that was his basically the beginnings of his career. He was kinda like overpaid two. Different ones in the ease also escort but it reminds me them Guy who was kind of color but also played a point guard coming into it He's been bounced around. He had a big contract from the celtics. We'll come back to like four days from now. Because i'm thirty one. Put that or dashboard. But gordon you're out We're gordon difficulties. Because yeah it's young. Who's kind of past that prime. Then it may be. It's a mix of both but you can see the potential but also part of the billy dominant way is that he's just so stuck on his ways that maybe is not going to be flexible all the talent that he has. Okay all right. Let's let's move onto your team. Brendan indiana oh fantastic. All right sitting a nice clean fifteen in eighteen so the nine spot seven games back and not doing so bueno. At the moment no and i'm just The indiana pacers are not playing the way they're supposed to and i firmly believe they had no idea what to do right now are there. You're going to go down the roster. The pieces are there they have experienced. You know there are one of the few teams in the off season. That didn't do any massive changes or overhauls. Sooner schedule i mean you know. They re signed they research car samson. Who's just going to be adventure east of a mat like it's not like it's not like their roster has changed much or anything except for care subvert who we haven't seen play but and losing all the depot but they're they're supposed to be inexperienced rosser they're supposed to be above five hundred supposed to be doing all these things but it's just not clicking and one of the things that obviously can be attributed to is the new coach. Nick bjorkman who i believe is. He's a really good coach and all the players all players love him and all players say he's always positive all time he knows how to how to run things. I believe he's nate. Is trying to institute too. Many defensive things at one time and what happens is during these games. The pacers will play competitively. But they'll have momentary lapse here and there the game against the warriors they just play golden state on february twenty. They lost by four. They held steph curry to. I believe twenty. I think you guys points or something like that indiana's like yeah. You guys are like the woman your definition of average. 'cause you're you're fifteenth in points per game and one hundred thirteen and plus beginning allowed. You're a hundred and twelve and fourteenth. So you guys. Yeah but the the issue is they'll have these momentary lapse during games and i will. I'll see it. And i'm like this isn't going to end. Well because what happens is nate yorker in. Who's again a fantastic coach he'll do. He'll do these off. Defenses against say. I picked the at pick a warriors because of steph curry hill. Double steph curry at the top and steph. Curry will not school in the entire game. But what happens is steph in any star in the nba is an apt. passer in. he'll find the weak side. He'll find the weak side center for easy bucket. Because miles turner can't rotate top or democracy. Bonus came rotating. it's not just one person and myles turner in late shop locker. No one's gonna take that against him. But what turner has yet to do is establish a way to not throw himself out of defensive position while shot-blocking if he misses the players going to school like that's that's because he's not mission and he's aiming so much for that shop long and he's an elite shop like our meeting. Yeah yeah hundred. One hundred four. Yeah he's got one hundred four. He's got yeah i think he's he's up like like twenty five on whoever's second i'm familiar with that was but cappelli third at seventy or something so yeah it reminds me. I don't know charles must be on whiteside when he was always looking for the block. Miles turner's ten thousand. Yeah but i'm saying well. I've seen and i was running before the show. I like turnaround like what he does. Just maybe there's always the hiccups but Those things combat. So my question you brennan to kind of go from there is how much time you wanna give this guy before you give up on him in the form of debt kind of defensive. Learning of when took with properly Box to rotate out. Make sure that the shots not come at one one to get rid of that mindset of i got worked on this stat because what i'm bet sat as opposed to covering all bases because if you have a team that's going to kind of go one in four out especially have cut. That's come into the basket or just like switch it up in space at. You're going to get the east of little bit especially with a lot of the new age coaches are coming in. So how do you feel about turner. If if there's a different solution. I want to ask you. The admits victory yet To answer your second question now the the pacers the pacers don't need victor david with the way they played they. They are very share ball. You know whoever's opened gets a shot. And i think that i think Win tj warren. Ankara silver come back. You'll see that more. Obviously it's been reduced to just brogden so bonus. Two man game with a couple of wings on the threes but tanveer earbuds byles turner question. He needs he he needs a i. Don't wanna say he needs help as kind of a cop out but you know he needs to improve his rebounding for being a six eleven center. I mean there's no reason a six eleven person at you know playing down. Low is averaging six and a half rebounds per game when you're four spot the modulus bonuses averaging you know ten or eleven i think. He's averaging eleven rebounds per game park pulled up. But i mean he needs to establish his position in the box down low when he sees nobody driving elaine in the issue the back forth issue. Everybody has the pacers is well. You don't look at miles turner's stats on the box score. And that's correct what miles turner does during the game as he intimidates. Anybody driving the pain but again you're gonna need. I mean savona bonuses the only person above above six rebounds per game or seven seven rebounds per game in an average and turn is going to have to step up. And be that person or you're going to have to give him help and play turner with Say they're you know. Twenty nine hundred draft. Pick gogo Tozzi who hasn't seen enough action to determine. Hey maybe we should invest more time into the seven foot center or not and whether that be the fault of bjorkman riding too hard on its starters or running a small rotation of seven eight eight guys at a time. The the the issue is going to be on the boards and turner. Not being in position. Until either i mean he gets. He gets some help which they have been asking around I don't want to quote anybody on that but I assume that they would be asking people around because they did try to. Ship milestone are often the offseason To boston but that kinda fell through when sponsons tried to be too rich about it It's it's a waiting game. And they have no more games to wait as to the patriots are gonna be good this season or next season. I do think bjorkman is the right coach because while while they are averaging just you know the fifteenth most points in the league. It's up from nate mcmillan. It's up like eight or nine points. At this point. I remember that was your criticism about mcnally's more defense. I and the offense. And i mean nate bjorkman is supposed to have you know this defense. This new wild defense that you know. He had under nick nurse in toronto. And it's not sticking to these players heads right now. i mean. They're averaging was its third nineteenth in pin opponents points per game and whether it's because he's trying to implement too many things at once or whether he's you know they have a complete bought into the system or haven't bought into the system. They love the coach. I mean that they have no qualms. I've seen i've seen it on the players faces during interviews. They love life firm. They love his positively. They're just running out of time to prove it this season so one question onto it just kind of because you're in the thick of it. I think it's great that we can come back your head so if you had to say all right guys one guy that i need an odd. The reasonable guy not get james harden are partout. Who is that you feel would be that complete guy or that guy to kind of usa seeking help. Who is that percents. You would want on your team. Landslide return of lands. That's all that's the twitter. Trolls say is bring lands. How or sign lands to at least fort wayne mad ants in the g. league and see how he does it. It's gotta be a big man. I made it's gotta be someone who's willing to give up you know. I can't really name one off the top of my head but that's where i would go is a big man focused on rebounds. I mean you can throw drummond out there. But i assume germans gonna be way too expensive for what patients wanna give up. Because the pacers light their roster continuity pacers liked the fact that they have experienced chemistry together. I mean Bonus mcconnell and some bonus when brogden has to sit out they go ahead no go ahead cousins. 'cause i mean they're going to release them. I'm sure you think it's a little bit at the same issue with turner because some are high but you lease no he kind of has that also rebounding. I don't think they will work well on the floor necessarily together but sometimes you have to look into what that second unit or not even the second year but what i call it the one be starting or the veep ray where give cruiser they need. They need a bruiser off the bench. Rarely is they need somebody to come in and established presence in the paint a different way than models. Turner does give them that mix when turns into game. No one wants to drive as he can block shots but then if it wants to drive. The game urged. Someone wants to drive the paint with turner out. You have that bruiser. Who's not afraid to make contact with these smaller guards or You google up for a go. Up for gritty reboot out and you know if if savona says on the left lock if the ball bounces to the right block. They're not going to get of the time. I mean until they get that big bruiser download that can play opposites of onus wins earner needs to sit or can play. You can play the four with goes eight in the second unit or anybody like that and cousins had thank is decent a decent argument for cuts. I'd say okay alrighty. So that's that's your indiana pacers. They are a guy's got to do something now or else changed. They're gonna i mean. I think they're gonna wind up in this play in round. Just what are they going to do after that. Because they've last five seasons in a row a first round exits and a lot yet at four or five and the last to think sweeps. Yeah but it all again that they're rebounding definitely one of the problems. But i'm not gonna play the injury card but it's going to be interesting to see win care. Sliver finally gets medical clearance to play Tj warren Maybe still aways out But charissa avert seems like the next person that come off The injury list in he's gonna add immediate depth to the three spot for them and the to spot really Because i mean you have justin holiday. Who's a great three point shooter. Great the prototypical three defender. But he's normally coming off the bench at this time in his career and he playing starting minutes. And then you have you know doug mcdermott playing the three spot right now in doug's doug's given the pacers lot It they just need another shooter. Like cares to help and it'll be really interesting to see if this team wants caskets on the court. He's been with the team. He's been practicing I can't say he's been with the team he's been practicing non contact shooting drills. He's been playing five on in practice. everything like that in the rumors are that he might see time. Definitely after the all star break in definitely near perhaps near the end of march is the best i could. It'd be my guestimation list. Plenty of season left so okay all right. Let's let's andrew you still alive back there. I just wanna get a cage. I don't know if he's back. I think we killed him very nice. Nap okay all right yeah. We're we're taking a while we were able to go to. We might just do the eastern conference this this episode and then And then we'll because andrew you haven't been on the show for the last three episodes i believe. Yeah yeah and you will you. You haven't gone your bag different world tour just yet just yet. So that's we you came in today. Got us brendan but Let's i guess we can cover one more team before the halfway point. And then we'll get to the second half andrew because you've been off the show whatever topic you wanna talk about. We'll talk about it before we move onto the rest of the does he know that we took shots at him. The last three episodes of his namesake. His homeland andrew. Why he doesn't know. What did we teased people on it. All there was there was there was slander. Ucf is not twenty seventeen national champion. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I think he would come over here. And and kill me. If i actually meant that insult about tampa and orlando at people that are just it was more about the chiampou bay thing but still mainly because the rays but still but still whatever you want to talk about. Second half especially because he won't be here for all the episode. Well believe it or not. There is one thing. I would like to mention about the nba. Ooh well it's it's one person in particular taco yup Ha housing and how it is taco tuesday. How how much quo do teens have. The eat thinking that he couldn't play in the league think he's barely on the floor up. He saw a little bit of extra time Recently but yeah. He's barely on the floor. He's stats now. he's he's hanging on. Are you guys ready for this tacos. Feel dangerous diablo sauce taco for the season this ucf alumni that we all love is averaging two point six points. Two point six rebounds zero point one assists he has played in eight games that he's averaging seven point one minutes a game feel dangerous and ios twenty two better than you don has them use the spot. The player coach. He's a player coach heat. They actually need him too. I would say because they don't really a solidified center it's daniel dice and that's hope went. Oh so i'm with you but that's tacos at right now. Yeah but what's i heard. Strong time the the par payroll is twenty two which most hilarious thing to make but hey he's averaging thirteen rebounds per thirty six so i got in thirteen points Sorry junior topics. I honestly can't think of anything. No i mean for the second half. You can take this time now to think of something i know i mean. Ucf has had major things happening. You haven't had a niece. Ucf gush session in three weeks and you got a fellow alumnus with us as well. So you guys can gosh for ten fifteen minutes. Gauche on the gusts plus all that makes that's exactly we're awaiting kanki discussion that now we're we're about to hit the second half so let's finish this last team or about the finish that halfway point. Whatever let's this last charlotte hornets. Let's go and they will move on Later on both charlotte hornets. Everybody sixteen eighteen. Gordon hayward good pickup. Good pick up. Boston's kicking themselves right. Now and lamelo roy possibly question mark is either roy or at the edwards but no one watches minnesota. Your have your logistically. One team is probably gonna finish with fifteen wins of the season. One team could be contending. The playoffs and parvin is really more of the play of lamelo. So i think it's really just simple and you know right there. Doors shut territories. Contract is terrible. Flint's we can say that two years into it It's one of those weird teams. Say they misprint. Kaminsky because it feels like they. What duty was doing anything. Where was there. But it's another thing of berets paraiso. Gets another year ago. Let's see they've got certain hundred. Twelve point one points per game eighteenth forty six point. Three field goal percentage. Let's say are what are they. They are eighth from three point. Range three point one percent. They're definitely a definitely a through ball. Yeah team for real. The mellows got seven. Double doubles leads. The team in assists and got fifty one steals. He needs to clean up his turnovers by matty's bedroom pretty well charlotte hornets. They are there they exist. That's when you get around here. It's like yeah they exist we get to these teams so they exist until we get to like toronto and boston and miami. Now once we get there yeah courted. Here's a who when they're singing. We are here we are here. Let's basically there another team that will play in the east but never win something. More more. Feel to the argument that the nba needs to do away with conferences. And just go straight up one through sixteen or you can always stop us whole super team stuff. Just hang now. Yeah yeah that's good. That's a nice happy not move on to halfway point of the show so Guys and brandon knows what that means. It is a word from our non sponsors people places things concepts. What have you that. We've been enjoying over the last week. I guess andrew over the last three weeks. I don't think he's been enjoying much. Because of a certain exam that we all hate and we hope we'll die in a fiery crash if was sentient but yeah well who wants to start. 'em you could start the andrew andrew you have something to tell c. Ready to cover for him. I'm ready for it. If not i can go i can. This will make sense when you hear me talk about it but might non sponsor is me. Okay right where's I'll look twitter page then on the screen for people watching because i finally got the kahane's in the really idea to say i need a man cave to say you're gonna get some manscaping evans sponsors us yet but yeah yeah you yeah. You showed us the The first installments in your man cave have my setup used to be out in the living room the common areas so i rarely ever got to play games. Because i didn't want to interrupt anybody but thanks to some developments everything in the house got moved around and i basically said screw it. I'm gonna wall. This is all happening. I'm going to move everything in my room soon. I've got my xbox by three sixty might. Ps four in here A an amazon fire stick is coming tomorrow. gaming chair dye your hair pink starts streaming streaming a lot more on your ps four. Probably be a teal blue instead of kink rainbow rainbow keyboards. Yeah true exactly. What my rainbow. Led's in the background. Oh yeah yeah i get. By the way ratchet. Clank is free everybody until the end of march on the playstation store. He is wanna get it Seattle it's that's best. That was the biggest change in my life. Exam doing okay. And you're planning your awesome world tour at the moment. I know that I'll be visiting my beloved central florida Very shortly and you know. Get out of miami. Which it's not that. I don't like miami is just. I need a break every now and then. Yeah yeah yeah. I understand that. I think we all understand that wholeheartedly. You live down here for sure. Miami's definitely a lot. Yeah yeah. I know oh boy all right. And what's your promo code. Promo code to honus. That's a good one. I like that one all right. Okay well i guess. I'll go next because i i've been this. One has been building for a whole month already. Think charles and anybody who's been listening to the show for the last one knows where i'm going with this metal gear solid five. I completed it last night. Finally got the last cut seeing to the final end credits. And finally i told you. What do you mean like he told me to do. I didn't get s rank rising not into second the last mission last and then last missions. Yeah yeah because they're all repeats for the most part i just clicked whatever was yellow and was like These are repeats and leo. That's where in yet. Gosh darn it. Co nami and koji mind frigging they. It's the biggest. I think it's one of the bigger. What and gaming. What if they had just left them alone. Let him complete the game the way it was intended. And there's a online you can find a fricken a what a cut scene that wasn't in the game was like the last mission that was supposed to be you know. Oh well but whatever america's on five very fairly good video game hundred and six hours into it. I what sixty six percent completion. So i played most of the game. I'm probably not going to back anytime soon. Finish whatever's left but it is a very complete game. It's only twenty bucks right now. But i got her on sale for like seven bucks on scene. It's like on sale every other month so at some point whatever thank you use gog or indie gallaher steam. Whatever you'll see it for like seven eight bucks. Just get it to one hundred plus hours. You're gonna have a fun time. You can have a good time. There was a point where i was kind of like a zombie or kind of like the the the vocal lloyd parasite had people just kind just kept playing. I wasn't even thinking anymore. I just kept playing. It wasn't because i was bored. I was just like this game just compels me to keep playing and it is a good one. I love the freedom that they give you all the options on how to complete missions and things like that some missions you can i point it was like ams going to sneak and not kill anybody and then when i was tired some point was i'm just gonna kill everybody. I see incite. Just can blast some of the rocket launcher. I don't care about the s rain and it allows you to do all that stuff. He can do silly stuff to. There's some if you look on youtube. Some people who are elite level players. They they can do some weird things. And it's pretty cool i it and yeah. This is a good what i'm glad i. I experienced it unfinished with it. I it is definitely a very very very good video. Game and a highly. Recommend to anybody for your. Ps four your xbox one or your pc go and get it have fun a promo code. Big boss boss capture waiting okay. All right. who's who's next go. We'll leave friend for last. Because he's he's our angel. We love them off. Gotta go with the gaming. We're just gonna kind of it's a product and it's more of the sensation products thinking about it this way so would be as for many consoles. Pso's kind of put some damage. And i've had some controllers for awhile and as you know put some wear and tear onto them especially with the analog stick said how i kind to alleviating extend the lifespan of it is i use a little electric electron contact leaner any keeps it in their little on. Jodi put two controllers. I've had had three platek drills. 'cause i would always get them on black friday because we re doubts like forty dollars and then i traded stuff and again like five or ten. Because i'm a hustler and i'll pay press nothing. If i had a child i would ask hostile. How can i get a reduced child or the child. Anything i can do to save money. That's my thing. Go to thrift shop right. But i don't like to buy real stuff when it's like control weirs when touched outside was probably. I can't that but both my control is kind of at the same time and apparently guys who has been a shortage of playstation controllers because the boys. Yeah there's a podcast on this new video games like you can't find playstation xbox even we controllers. He can't find them now. Gentleman my ignorance to the world of how. I need volunteers. Because i had to wait for some control there by the game. All right i'm during the stuff and give it to me. Because i had this not for ten bucks and they're like we don't have it i just last one. I'm like what the hell do you use the land. So they had ordered one for me. They they now charge shipping v when you trade in your old controller says very sad because they hustled. The hustler hurt me but i respect the gape. I you side note on that. They don't want to best like that day. 'cause i had a gift card. I'm like all right. They had nothing except for ugly ass. Green camel want. I'm sorry. I don't i don't wear those law as short jeans and enjoys and then have like the. I were aviators voice. I don't wear those silly as a sunglasses. And have my hair. Spike thing about the days of papa roach and drinking what was not livewire mountain dew. No that's not me cammo. Take your sister off balance on. Say he's right. I couldn't go to walmart. Because i have get hardship but so at best buy i order the goal controller which was a replacement of what i had but then at game stop fellas. I'm bucci. i like pretty shit. I'm just saying like that. You get to my guy i got this. Miss me with that francis skill offense tick models wants to say no i got because it's about color coordination. I got the rose gold control now. I love my goal control. That i have. Because you know. That's like midas years always perfect. I was fine with that. Didn't wanna get black white one An definitely wasn't doing the green camel. That says how much. I love papa roach and taking back sunday and all that but i got the rose gold fellows the minute came. I was so excited. Obviously but once down the mortgage charge. I have look. It's sleek. it's beautiful. I feel like i can never wear grill. But this is like the equivalent of micro. I can wear the big chains. That's if i had to get my jesus pieces. this is my jesus visas. it's roles go. It's my rosebud. Anybody who's seen citizen kane knows. How important is that with. My dying breath as i'm going seventy five scold the sensation of having a new controller. When you've been just kind of like extending the lifespan. Something that should have been dead like dying relationship or you know. Grandma's old dog. That's like five but nothing beats getting new puppy. Nothing beats getting owners. Another beads control. I'll play the boys as we're talking. Because i needed game. Those wireless and rhinos goldwyn. But it's not to be low battery so guests who's can get the lover the second half guys rosebud new playstation controllers wherever you color is except for like green cammo Promo code bucci. Look how beautiful that come on now. There's the green camera who we have some forty one. Okay goes in your corner billy. Okay all right next. i'll it's me. Should i continue with video. Game theme on could do a couple. I guess when Shadow to calling things you will hold on to for too long That includes both of my xbox controllers that have lost their left bumper. And i have to keep very fake. Which which which the xbox one like three sixty control of the xbox one okay the original xbox long twenty two thousand thirteen the the left bumper is off and i have to keep it on with my finger. Games like rocket league is fine. I just won't check the scores. Because that solid lovers bent to play games like sea of thieves renewed the left bumper to check your inventory. Wheel is not fun but anyway I guess my non sponsor I guess my non sponsors speaking of the games will be a sea of thieves. has has Given me serotonin. Over the past week Just playing it being out. On the nice ocean water will get a Hopefully i wanna see some played on pc. Because i've heard the graphics of the water in everything are amazing on it But i will get a forte television. At least get some of those nice ocean graphics. But seve thieves is my serotonin. And the bane of mines instance because trying to get level fifty in the three Emissaries they aid to become what is called a pirate legend is a grind and it's definitely a grind a game. What as long as you don't see another ship. It's a nice fun fun game. That's all i have for that one really. My non sponsor is. It's all like all the stuff you unlock is nice in just skins and stuff thins a really fun game to look at a fun game just sale like a pirate and it's pretty awesome so i guess codeword are could other. 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Gosh well we have been eventful to say the least. We're ucf For so just some background. The tennessee volunteers are athletic. Record danny white Could be athletic director to guide them through probably a really crappy time coming up. Because they've got investigations up the wazoo And part of that or stemming from that was they fired their head. Coach jeremy pruitt. So who danny white take with him tennessee to be the new head. Football coach josh hypo. Who was our football head football coach so in the span of a week just before national signing day no less we go from relative stability including arguably the best athletic director in. Ucf's history to neither a athletic director nora football coach. So what does ucf do they. Go out and hire gus malzahn. Well let me rewind. I they hire terry. Mohajer as athletic director comes from arkansas state. Who had been there since twenty. Twelve and oversaw watt of facilities upgrades increase in donations and a very successful athletics department. I mean their football team beat. Ucf and twenty sixteen in the curebowl So that was great and then mohajer there were many names thrown out there for who the next football coach would be Some believe it would be at forget. Something names meaning brandon. You can throw one out. Seek was out jeff levy Jeff levy who's the offensive coordinator at all miss was the offensive coordinator for ucf During two thousand eighteen thousand nineteen under hypo front runner. There was a huge movement by players ring in levy ultimately that did not happen which rub some of the players. The wrong way appears but ultimately. Ucf hired gus mellat Former head coach of auburn Took auburn to the national championship in two thousand thirteen. Go nose was the coordinator for auburn and twenty ten when they did whether the national championship and coordinated for twenty ten is winter cam newton. So he's got an impressive resume and it turns out that he is a history with jerry. Mohajer mouth zahn was a state's head coach and twenty twelve men. Mohajer started and was poached by auburn. That after that season and led a subpar auburn team to almost winning the national championship. I think seventeen seconds away from when but Once again and at all pull the rabbit out of their ass won the game with In the dying seconds so a lot of people were constrained. Ucf concerned that omaha malzahn is going to be old school. He's going to be able to fit in with the fast paced offense that we are so custom to seeing the past few years it turns out the that was very overblown turns out. I didn't realize this malzahn was the inventor of the hurry up no offense or hurry up. No huddle offense back when he was high school coach in the latter part of the nineteen ninety s. So he is the father if you will of the system that we've been using to great effect since two thousand sixteen but then more importantly he has been on a rampage getting coaches. I think he filled out his whole coaching staff in a week. No nine days and he brought in people from auburn for other power five schools people that are top of their game and really know their stuff but then also he has been on a recruiting more gas. Think in he hire a been like two three weeks head coach at this point. He's already made a hundred offers. And these are four star five star guys. He is really making an emphasis on recruiting florida. Which thank god. 'cause florida is if not the best state when it comes to high school. Tall is certainly in the top. Three along with texas in california. I think most people would argue that it is the top of the country You know you've got the img academy down in fre up in brayson which is a high school in name. Only basically I'm sure you can attest to that random for sure. Sorry about that. i muted and didn't realize. Yeah so. I'm gene. Adamy you have a. You have a all of south. Florida is huge. I mean if anybody has not seen any of the documentaries or books on a little town called muck city down in florida. I mean that's been a staple of recruiting her. Everybody hug him. Bug laid amish. Counting reason made university of miami was so successful in the eighties nineties and two thousands. 'cause they own south florida when it came to recruit it Yeah if you're in florida you're golden. You don't need to leave the state to get the best players. It's not like you're night late. you're from nebraska where you have to poach people from other city from other states yet correct in if i could cut it. They were again. These are unconfirmed. But i have seen it in in on a couple of reporters around the florida area have said it too but there are rumors at high school coaches. Were literally begging josh. Heidel to come look at players in florida. He just did it. He never showed up at high schools. He never showed up at anything down here in florida. Yeah exactly and i've seen that malzahn is hired. A couple of high school coaches to be recruiting coordinators analysts. You know it's it's huge and more than that though aside from just recruiting. He's pulled in now three former auburn players Who are former four star players. These are great. Great players like they just brought in Defensive end from auburn from last season who was second team. Scc lot of a lot of great accolades. They brought in a wide at all time. Name too long. Your bryant believe is his real name thought it was a nickname. But i looked him up on twenty four seven and that is his name big cat bryant all-time name so he's brought so malzahn is run in three players and it looks and there are a lot of one of whom warner film. Get this one of whom was supposed was going to go to tennessee but then is was now flipped to uci. Yeah so someone that we are in fantastic shape. Much better shape than really. Anyone could have guessed when you lose a like. I said i don't think i'm going too far. And saying danny. I was the best athletic director in. Ucf history would you. I don't think that's too much about take you say now. I mean what he did. What he did was i made the legendary. It's still in my one hundred percent attempt to be objective. It was still in my opinion the best marketing project. Ucf for him was the best marketing project in college. football history. What he did for the program. I for instance. He started the whole orlando's hometown team slogan correct. But it does have that has to have an asterisk behind it because he did attempt that while at the university of buffalo in its failed spectacularly but it turns out buffalo likes being buffalo. Not new york's hometown team in the grand scheme of things. A lot of people don't understand that new york is much bigger than just a tiny little city slash island on the east coast. So he definitely. He definitely had to read reconsider his buffalo. As new york's football team or whatever it each call them up there but works for florida because florida's as so big and so populated with football. Bet he made a bread out of ucf created from nothing and now it's it's mentioned as many times power five schools in outlets. I mean if you just google big cap bryant. You know what. Gus malzahn just offered now. Espn has the article at now. Every single big outlet has the article in that is because of what danny white did while he was here and love or hate it. Which i love it. Brendan loves it. most of ucf fans love it. Love it or hate it. Claiming the national championship was humongous for the brands I remember i was still. I was a students when ucf one of two thousand thirteen over baylor. And i distinctly recall that the number of applications to the school skyrocketed and. I know that there's a lot of contention between the academic side of universities and the athletic side. We put too much We put too much funding into athletics. Things like that. Yeah yeah you oughta. They've got a point but it cannot be said that good. Athletics program has absolutely no tied to the success of the university. No because he has gotten so many more. Fdic applications for science college because of that. They're able to be more selective so they're getting they're getting higher. Gpo average gpa. They're such and such and such. That was even more. So when ucf won the peaceful and danny white in his infinite wisdom immediately afterward before the matrix came out and said that they write this number one which i'll be honest if they didn't then i wouldn't be as on board with it but he said national champions undefeated three words that are going down is going to go down and ucf history as probably three of the most significant. You know there was a for will rented as the ap style book Too much yeah But free three drop. I think we lost some andrew Ostia easy gone and know where he was going. Okay if you want me to finish the dial booker. Basically the whole basically the cable comes to to how to write off. Can you me. Yeah connection. I guess yeah. He's on a time. Delay now engine has traveled through time. He's gone through a war four of some sort and he's about what like fifteen seconds behind us now so we are in the future to him. Can you hear me. Yes yes okay. I guess all you hear me now anyway. At style basically the bible for journalists it tells you everything from the spell certain things out to format You cannot be a journalist. Without the ap style book eight serious generalists without the ap style So ucf y'all you'll see. I'm going in a second but most schools are referred to as like instead of smu it's southern methodist or instead of Ccu for coastal carolina. University they right. Coastal carolina. Ucf watched our chagrin is always referred to a central florida which we've had a discussion about that. Several times show by there was an article done in the usa. To not know it was the washington post where the the person are. There author argued that it was no longer needed to call a central florida. The the exception is some some schools like lsu. No one's gonna get confused. His argument was there was no confusion anymore. people know what. Ucf is and. I've been seeing ucf a lot more You know espn no longer calls this of rights out on their score bug central florida or florida. It's always ucf so all. This is just a long winded way of me saying when we lost danny white. We thought we were done for that. We were gonna be screwed. We were going to lose all gains that we made but incomes cherry. Mohajer makes us huge signing. And he's he's not letting off the gas either he. Ucf just posted billboards in jacksonville. And marietta georgia saying that. The future of college football is orlando. It were feeling good about the future By the way brennan ucf beat tulsa basketball. They did i was. I've been monitoring scores app on for for those not in the know. Tulsa has our number for some reason whether i in any sports really. I don't know what it is. But they are our krypton. It's you it's your connection to the city. I guess i me breath. I was born in tulsa. They want they want their. They want their son back so they take it out. And you see my. My eldest sister got her bachelor's from tulsa site. I guess where the word of blame i don't know. But regardless the fact that he beat tulsa says great news for us but anyway brennan. I know i've been taking up the bulk of the conversation. But is there anything you'd like. That is he is he. Okay might might computer time out. And i think automatically muted sports gives everybody cut anyway. i don't say. Ucf gates gus malzahn. Without any white being there beforehand absolute. That's just the way. That's just the impact that danny woods marketing pet and the fact that you have a end. ucf fans. I think this time are being much much much more realistic at the fact that we obviously know gus malzahn is not going to be our coach forever. Like there's the there is no way gus malzahn. It's digging around as soon as another high profile power. Five job opens up now. I'm not saying it's going to go to like vanderbilt or syracuse or anything like that. But as soon as a high profile power five team opens up. He's gone will. That's something that i i. Kinda struggling with get it that he would be a hot commodity despite the fact of him getting fired from auburn for a quote unquote subpart year. But here's the thing that i want to get your take on. Malzahn is only a couple of years younger than giorgio geary was when we hired him and some of the language that he was using in his introductory press conference. Like the eight weeks that i had off by. I didn't think i was going to be coaching. This year is going to take a year off to Be analyst You know. I got spent time with my grandkids of this is the the strongest gus malzahn. You've ever had some of that He also said that he had tied to reflect on his career. So he's using a lot of this sort of finality language. If that makes sense. I under. I understand that sentiment a little bit. I mean i. I would not be. I would not be surprised in beliefs if if someone picks him up He's too good of a coach to to be with a emmy p five school top tier p. Five will be lucky to have him by. Yeah and this. Is i if i could cut in. This is This is not my thought. I want to attribute to this to a ucs director broadcasting mark daniels. Who talked about this on his show in the morning is radio show but during this i guess reflective period. He had he definitely thought about the fact that The pressure at school such as schools such as auber in schools. Especially when you know the other team in your state is nick sabin in alabama and the fact that you have to perform constantly and you don't want to bend to the will of the boosters who talked so much in and provide so much for universities especially in the south in the sec that a lot of people don't understand that sometimes. The boosters are the ones making the decision not even the athletic directors and the fact that. Ucf is most likely not going to do that to him. Compare on any level compared to auburn or compared to any other high profile. Sec or you know big twelve or acc job in the future. He could stick around for the fact that he will have most of the control honesty. He said that one of his favorite things to do as a coach is to the full signal call. not single caller but to call the plays to to really run the offense he. He doesn't like step back but he was basically forced to auburn so he made it extremely clear that he's taking that power back so to end the boosters. The boosters are auburn told him he if he wanted to be the coach. she couldn't call place right. So we'll we'll see it'd be great if he ended up being our bobby bowden. Noor our at fsu or gary anderson at tcu Something like that. I mean imagine having that sort of a presence for ten fifteen years correct. Okay well is that. Is that it for the gush fast. I guess i'll ship the fact they. Ucf baseball beat the number one. Yes angeles tweeting booker. Yeah a one other thing. I'll i'll mention about code love lady because apparently would love lady steps away from the team. It's disaster it's yeah Our current head coach gregg love lady. Who won the national championship in the two two thousand or two thousand one with. Um he was diagnosed with cova to start the season so he had to step away and we went really starting to seize one three and we'd let up like forty five runs. In the first it was for games array sanity. We lost to stetson once twice. Fau twice which is a freaking. it was football games. Forget baseball they were football games. Basically with kind of scores were talking He comes back and we take two three from this and we almost won the third. We choked in lasting Almost almost won the second game. We did with the doubleheader. So it's it's a little weird but yet so and then one last thing about danny white kind of touching on that is white. Made it clear when he came in that he wanted us to be top. Twenty five athletic department. Not just football much basketball. He wanted the whole athletic department to be taught here and he really accomplished. I mean For example the men's and women's test teams who've upset about really upset anymore. it's to be expected they. They've upset these top tier top ranked teams. Women's basketball is one of the top in the country. Unfortunately they lost tonight to the bowls but they have the best few points allowed in all of college basketball. Cheerleading took the national championship last year late. It's legitimately all around strong athletic department. Which can really be attributed to danny white. So the future is bright are ready now now. My gushing is done It's nine o'clock and you are. You gonna stick around or you really have to go. Let me let me step aside for a second. And i'll let you know okay all right well because we can. I wanted to do. God leaves gunes just so we can touch on that for you if you have to go just so we can get your opinion on these two people that i'm going to highlight the look. Take a few minutes. That's okay got leaves gunes where we call people out in the sports world. I want to start with d- dick pic make everybody mickey callaway. A we talked about a a couple of weeks back or you episodes ago and it was just kind of like a little preview. It first happened and stuff okay. Hurry but now now now things have come out about you. And we all. It's not really alliteration. Kazaa all similar but it is rhyming and charles loves him. Some rhymes i love me. Some rhymes but bars and say fargo robber and dick pic. Mic is a good one inch. If there's one thing the new york mets were good at it was coming up with that name or micky calloway's regime there. Oh boy yeah yeah. Well that came out. He's been accused of certain things very he. I mean this. This good gottlieb goes can be extended to a whole bevy of people. Oh yeah yeah yeah. No this is this. I mean this is straight up like my goodness gracious dude. What obviously he deserves all of it. But now you can do the cleveland indians organization because they were aware of it and they were in you know and now the mets. Yep it's a mess. Yeah names of suspended him and they will likely i think they're gonna i mean come on what is he. He's a busy the hitting coach or pitching coach or something like that. Yeah he's pitching coach. Okay yeah he's the pitching coach because he was a pitcher so at that stats expendable right for sure. And the ages voice pitching. That's not any better. You guys go to waste. Mike trout's career anyways was he gonna do teach On how to get the right angle on snapchat. Yeah it's all about the angle right. Gosh started if the we had that manscaping sponsorship it would been perfect for this episode. Micky calloway's dick pic sponsored by man's games. We've like when you put it on the podcast. I'm sorry andrew you have to go. Yeah the call it the. It's all about the ankles. Could for the podcast. Look oh boy all right so yeah all right mcaleer one and the other one. Gosh what was this. Woman's name the one from the nfl network. jane slater. That's that's the one her jane's later so she got rivers. No we've had female goods before we've had before what's she she. She allowed herself to be roasted on twitter. Was it yesterday for it. Seemed innocent enough right. i am just. They were unpaid internship at the nfl network. Us up for it. Who's out free. Unpaid internship allergy heard aside from brendon. And we've all we've all. I think we've all been there when we were. Yeah we've all been there at florida knows about so we've all been there and she's like you know thought it was innocent enough just trying to get somebody some an opportunity to be in the nfl network blights twitter was not having. Oh come on man. Nfl network nfl makes billions of per year. They can pay a young kid in their early twenties tonight to work for them and she was and she was like oh i had and then then it was like oh. I had to hustle. When when i was in college working two jobs and doing unpainted ship. And and then people started looking for some receipts and they found out her. Her granddaddy is like the chili king of texas. I don't know. I think that's i think that's a official title in the state government of texas out of by the way he was like the ceo of like a big gigantic chilly company officially was proclaimed the chili of the state of texas. In some sort of thing contest. I have no idea but regardless and she all chilly chilly for male chile. Right i actually that. That's that's one of my future conquests that i wanna do this this year as make my own chili. I think that's i think every i think of midlife crisis requires everybody to try and make their own chilly. So i'm getting there. I'm about to get there it. Okay okay well. then so. Her granddaddy was helping her along while she was quote unquote work in two jobs and stuff like that so twitter letter habits people from all walks of life to check your privilege. She didn't check her privilege before she. She tweeted this stuff out and she got roasted a lot of Yes the one. The only darren reveal home when back in twenty seventeen I think it was twenty seventeen. It got a lot of storm But he suggested that The the paper in chicago should just have northwestern students right for free other basketball recaps instead of using the ap which is what time should use. but darren avella's like just have northwestern suit for free so you don't have to pay them boy so you can add that to the list of things down. Rebel has done to make him a fantastic human being. I'm surprised we haven't had okay. Well yeah once way way way up. Okay i guess. So bob nightingale. He's like the baseball general. Val so sure but yeah this is well we i mean. Gosh we actually. We're getting paid for this episode. So i can't. This is not an unpaid internship right now. But we've all been there. But i i personally can't talk about as far as the sports media or journalism you guys can especially you brendan but it's a struggle right waving waving an unpaid internship during this time is incredibly insulting right now and there's no there's no beating around the bush on that it's incredibly insulting to say. Hey by the way. A lot of your a lot of your fulltime staff who have worked for teams Have been laid off and a lot of layoffs have occurred journalism over this past year. Because simply you know i. It's not through any of their fault of their own but to the point where these teams don't know what their budget is because her budget is based on fans space on tickets. It's based on concessions and selling and then you just it's gone and so everybody's like well will crap. I don't know what to do. I guess we have to start laying off staff writers and laying off this and laying on that so waving an unpaid internship into somebody's face right now in the journalism industry is a complete slap in the face. That's my point so yeah. People people went deep in twitter. I went. I do miss swirled i went down. I went down. People went deep as far as like. I think that is insulting. Because of the times it was also insulting because of the person that was tweeting this out and tweeting lay. She went through struggles and amendment. Maybe i guess everything's relative though. That's the thing everything's relative and her personal struggles may not be the same as everyone else's when you got granddaddy chilidog funding everything. So it's not like she was quote unquote truly struggling whereas a bunch of other people were saying. Well i had to work a job or two jobs just to make ends me and it wasn't a fun thing because sometimes people who were like. Yeah you know. I've had some rich friends and like they. They were like. Oh it'd be fun to have a job and it's like no. It's not fun for me. I have to have this job. Or i don't eat her have shelter or have clothes and especially or have an education higher education and also if if the unpaid internship is out there being waived the bell. But you can't take it because you actually have to work and you can't. You can't afford to not work and thus you miss out on an opportunity grant opportunity and yeah maybe you are qualified to work for the. Nfl network may be qualified and he to to get out there. But you know somebody who may has the opportunity to get there so sometimes it's not sometimes they might have parents who are maybe middle-class and are trying to help them out but still there are struggles there but sometimes you get some people who can be funded the entire way and it's easy and they get the job and and yulia miss out an opportunity in the nfl misses out on another opportunity and yes diversifying all that stuff and nfl's had issues with that and rooney rules there and things like that but now it's gone. It's their lots of gigantic Socioeconomic issues and with this tweet right here a. b. You already commented that unpaid internships should be illegal. And yeah they're they're. It's not just the sports industry either. It's for a lot of other things a lot. I mean gosh man. Even even our fields we unpaid internships. And yes you try and get the experience and i get that people who are for are like yeah. You're getting the experience you get to put that on the resume. Imagine i don't lead a real Unpaid internships you're not really thrown into thick of things and you're not giving us much that can be actually recommendable for most times on a resume. It's different for each field but you're not given as much opportunity to get there so it's a double edged sword coming into his own. Unpaid internship might see nice book. If you're only reviewing documents proofreading more translate you have feel that are feel at that but tough because familiar on paid yet even on paid interns we couldn't appeared speaking court right because if we didn't have our cle's ready so as going they're interviewing against these people who are seasoned and they're saying. Hey have you know. Because i just now got barred and you're gonna hold attribute so sometimes the unpaid internships don't even get you too long. Road which basically slavery the entry level of was looking for entry level positions need five years of experience already. Oh my god honest. You're harvey weinstein. Anybody playoff simple. Because we don't want we just wanna make it mad and your cells that we have to give ourselves upper media-literate combination but depending where you work. And how many people are out there. You might not get the actual growth and development for your business man. Can i interject really quick. I need to rodney. But before i do i have a couple of things i want to say. Yes okay for the state of minnesota department of transportation held a contest to name a new class of plows. That's right are in alphabetical order. Darth blatant orange truck. Okay i wrote that one. F salt fitzgerald. Oh just plow right task year. It's a mid-westerner joe. Because when you need to get past somebody or someone accidentally it's just like reaction they'll say ope next we've got plow bunion. Okay very good. Naturally we had to have plowing plow face. That's what i was looking for. That's what i was looking for. Snow be wan kanobi and last off lead. The truck formerly known as plow. Nobody went for on on. They probably already have a mr plow in their line of their fleets of snowplows And then second before. I had off Brennan thank you again for coming on. Always a pleasure having you Especially because you you basically are the third sports goof when it comes to and the a because i'm completely useless first second i thank you guys for holding down the fort past couple of weeks while i have not existed in anything other than studying Is wonderful to be back And i'm looking forward to not having to do this any time soon. Where i have to miss shows and i am thankful t- guys thankful to whoever's watching i agree with the u. Unpaid internship should be illegal. Should be illegal. peace out. gentlemen. I will talk to you later. Angie chow okay. All right so the those are leaves gunes for for that. Were okay guys. We're at the two hour mark. I don't think we're gonna all his mba stuff dumb. Nothing soon. Bullet pointed the east okay. Let's yeah let's just bullet point them raptors there. They they are. They need a break. It's not going well in tampa as well as they thought it would probably should've they should've played in buffalo. Maybe less distractions less covert. I have no idea not sure less pressure to to be a championship caliber team like their their hockey team in the in the nfl team town. Yeah yeah so. So that's i mean the leafs are doing good. That's weird. it's not weird. They're doing good in the regular season. Then they'll find a way to fall apart in the playoffs. So that's there's my hockey comet for for the week so yeah then the miami heat. Well actually no the boston celtics. They're number six seed. They're struggling and that they all said the boston. Celtics is when your president of operations on a local radio show and says our roster is not very. You're not gonna win. He he said this roster is not constructed to compete. He said our roster is not very good on a local boston radio station. When you have a roster. That's full of jason tatum. Jaylen brown and campbell walker and you say our roster is not very good. Something's wrong you're not gonna win neom. Sorry i've i've heard that they are lazy. I i saw video. I i don't know if you've seen brennan see somebody on youtube called andy hoops but he does some pretty good videos. He's a knicks fan. I don't get what. What's the knicks mets fans. Being pretty darn good on youtube in breaking down like their individual sports me because of all the misery. That's why browns fans are good. That's why fans are good. They are just nice. Any other team is better for everybody in the league which is odd for new york teams but everybody who follows a league or like wow new york when you know when you're rooting for a new york team to do well. Yeah so yeah boston. The they've had issues and tatum's had some issues with post covid. Symptoms are facts. And he said he's he's he's getting tired more than normal so he's still struggling with that. But okay next. The miami heat watch charles and i talk about them pretty much every episode liz past three weeks for the most part of hockey made by ginger baby. Yeah yeah yeah and In jimmy we need jimmy to be healthy. All right. give me my man crush. yeah like i think. He's earned an opportunity to just see how he sent some pretty good gains he's relentless on the boards. I'm not saying twenty five minutes. I'm not saying thirty minutes. What i'm saying is start the game out maybe with have in there and then pop Olympic you see that happened with biggs and alexa bat. But it is notes for one. Will you lose. It's because he's like four of eleven and is like man and precious about because. I don't think we're reciting kelly unless he's willing to take that paper because i believe his contract expires this year. So let me see what i got. Let me see my precious. I think he basically will max out being equivalent of a more. I guess silky smooth bam shooter on the bench. I don't think he goes out of that. But that sometimes happens when you draft. So i or so i guess in the driveway. Heavy to I just wanna see because the east feels thank. You both agree with me. The east feels like anybody's game. 'cause brooklyn doesn't really scurvy possibly because of their health. And you know how i feel about the seventy sixers and bread into a to bring back frauds. We'll get that okay max. The new york knicks. They are actually above five hundred. Everybody they did. It is wonderful team of fans are already planning. The parade seems already tibbs is to word and to his reputation on being really good defensive coach. He claims get a tibbs. Yeah so barry's not playing to a four picket drought. That's why got eighteen. Seventeen there. I don't i don't know what he got out of. Elford peyton getting everything out of the upper Scale for doesn't want to do the guy who was the turnaround bust the nba. So is last good chance pretty much. Okay and shadow emmanuel quickly. Yeah that's what i got for. Yeah and kiss. Yeah well. I almost died there so and i saw video also about kevin knox and was basically it was touted. Kevin knock sucks. I just like well all right. This is great click. May i'm going to click on this and it's like yeah. He's slightly improved this year. But he's definitely probably not coming back once he's left to his own devices anyways. Okay next the milwaukee bucks. They're twenty one to thirteen or are they just kind of coasting for now. And just not really. I think you're gonna see the same thing you see from. The year is hype and then they get to the playoffs and they don't do anything. Okay yeah that's what's going to happen again. Brooklyn the new. Look brooklyn nets humble-pie time. Go ahead charles. Yeah yeah yeah because one I forgot our guest. I someone andrew was gone. I was it was john too. But there's many jobs while But brooklyn week. We said harden was not going to be a problem and we said hardy. Katie was not going to be a problem. I felt it was going to be hard and kyrie. And now you're seeing more harding and kyrie together. And it's it's just gelling steve. Nash give props that. do i think they're going to be. Nba finals desert lesser team. If anything's ever been written on it but you can easily see that team at the moment. possibly get to the nba finals. And they don't really look worse for wear for giving up jared allen and kerris liberte in that trade. Either it's looking good. I mean maybe there's a downpour of kyrie gets hurt can and sustain it by himself at we know he can't necessarily do it as production houston or as his production. Houston showed but humble pie. It's healthy for you gives your vitamins. Good for me. I guess for being adult and not to mention they have they have those pieces. That other teams. Don't i mean if you wanna have if you wanna have your three shooters you also have Deondraye jordan who can rebound for you. And that's all he wants to do is rebound. He's going to try to put up seven points per game but he knows what he. They know their roles on the team. You know you know what Shooter and Nba accountant joe. Harris is gonna do shoot threes and then do the executives taxes later. Like you know what he's going to do. Cacho just looks like an accountant. That got lucky. That's all and so i. Finally the seventy sixers is. That's what i was. Let's i don't call crowds. I went last show when we had to really make time at. I'll just really bull appointed. It's you hired the perfect coach two for the team that you want to be which is just a very good but can you be great in the play offs and i i looked to doc rivers krill. My aunt to ben simmons. I liked joe l. I think everybody show out. But this you guys show me man you got prove to be every year it was supposed to be the last couple of years right and last year was not a good year for the. But i'm just going to ride that wave because You're going to do exactly what the very low floor if you have creative which is basically you know getting to the blouse. That's t that's what put the fan base would want right when you're ownership has basically and your ministers out basically sucking for so many years. They don't deserve that. But that's what you thought would now. What happens the granted. I will say this this year seem is vastly different because it did what made him successful two years ago. Which put shooters around with the other curry brother that steph which i bet he hates me to but seth until ceska via luigi as much right. Now he's like the wall luigi but until you show me that you can actually get to the finals even getting to eastern conference finals means nothing to me and good luck if you give me a conference finals. Because what he wanted to be the runner up second-best they need well. We talked about last week yet. The one thing. I when i was wake was. They need a championship to justify this. The they really do. They need one a do. They need one in what they'll need this year. Is someone to come off the bench and be a star. That's one i mean. Shake milton dry a given. That need someone else and they need you know someone better they need someone better that concord mas to come off the bench could you sand. Could you see a reunion of blake griffin. Doc rivers That they're going to have to make some south. I mean they need. They need someone else other than the way howard as well. I my side somewhere. He's in sacramento off a core in your neck. I saw them coming off the bench when the when i saw. Yeah we forgot to do what games that we watched. last week. Saw the fricking kings game against the hornets and how they choke that game away. And my and now that i looked at the stats of the kings. I was completely lost them. Like this all makes sense. This whole makes sense was echoed. Mental kings yet. Assange out there now. By the way i will. I will say matisse cycles okay all rights so that's a yeah eastern conference. This took longer than i thought. But whatever we'll do western conference next week that's fine. That's fine all right. Well oh gosh. I had this on got news time. Whatever it doesn't matter we we sped through the last portion of it brennan. You get the option. Do you wanna stick around for the lasts. I don't know well. Charles fifteen twenty minutes. I guess it might be. It might be fifty. Okay i think i could share it. But it's it's a big. It's a big boy. you're you're wrestling. Yes as and not just won. Promotion has done some chicanery. All you have the gang bang of sub stuff happened. I mean soldier boy is in soldier. Boy now paper us coming up. Titles are getting unified. Now we're going to have to pay parker boudreau. A yeah yeah. Ucf is on this got involved. I was like. I feel as if you know this chicken little. The sky's falling is up to me. Inform those people who just want men in tights. Were awfully sweating me more than the erotic sense of it. Try bake show couldn't make it on net flicks lord a lot of stuff to the. Let's go i could. let's go unfortunately. Before he began. I had not eat dinner. Okay all right. I will listen with you. I will listen to it post. Yeah yeah we'll we'll. I'll send a flurry of ten thousand tweets as our guests are want to know. I should probably andrew should warn people about that by the way every time he gets the gas on like forty thousand points over the next week so tweets follow our good buddies all the time education. Fj oh jr charles. A true death as scoops and brennan. Put yourself out there if you want. And at be rourke sports yes okay well brennan if you gotta go you gotta get some you got what what are you get a taco bell. What are you getting man. I'm going to find something in the bottom of the fridge. That should have been eaten a week ago but pretty much. Yeah that's that's what you get begged journalists for those unpaid internship. So all right man. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. I appreciate it. Chow segue graphics up all right. Welcome everybody's your the cage with charles full disclaimer. Wrestling is not fake it is scripted is stage fight is ballet is poetry emotion it sometimes love story is sometimes the underdog story sometimes about chasing glory chasing your dreams in boy. There's a lot of chasing. But what do we know about chasing. Something's got to happen either trip and you fall and you give up just like charles when he goes the extra mile range and l. alta giving early or you catch up what you want and now you have it in your hands sometimes about people to speed the pure chris out of each other and sometimes about making your own name on the mount rushmore wrestling francisco. Holy crap and i go. What is get. When i know what's going down you know zapping when i e for anybody wondering what. The machinations of the sports group group chat looks like when. I said a flurry of twitter. Stuff of memes in holy crap is happening. it's big so we're a w first because ironically the smallest segment coming into it. They have a pay per view coming up revolution. I it is this weekend. The second i need to kind of verify that. But there's the thing we have to talk about too is in addition to air paper view and the car that are going to have yet mark sedentary have wrestling tomorrow with their dubbing. S crossroads the big thing that you need to know about. From tomorrow's dynamite is shack is wrestling story. That's been developing at a long story short. Tnt needs to make sure that this rustling program more money so now shack who has been known to be wrestling bad. You never got his match with the big show as it was supposed to be. A mania at is always kind of been there needs a larger than life. Personality is now teaming up with jay cargill who she's been signed with. Aws called wcw. sorry. Sorry tony kahn. Saria cody follow us on twitter In they're going into cody rhodes in Red velvet originally was supposed to be brandy. Rose but brady's brighton another revelator between ed's gonna be a mixed tag match that's coming into it I'll watch it to see how bad it is because shack man. I mean that's that is not a rustling body what whatsoever. He's not out of shape or at a weight or anything. The guys like seven one man and he's like what close to fifty now if not over. It's going to be a little slow. it's one of those things where people give flack to the wwe about bringing old timers or some of these people getting fired for getting bad. Bunny but bad bunnies graphic four forty eight. I knew it was close to he. Still could probably bust their asses in basketball to the state and they're giving. Wb fight for getting out hers for the sports entertainment aspect of it and also using bad bunny for their wanting to get to the latino demographics or xm graphics. Whatever it's dubbed. These what do you think. Aws doing kind of getting shack. You're getting everybody who know shack. Relax him as a personality but who's invested basketball on the same brand the same viewership. That's openly accessible. You talk about okay. We talk about us being sell outs. Whatever shack never met a a sponsorship opportunity that he didn't like shock is an aspiration. Yeah he's a dream am love him into it and it. It's funny because it makes me. Think about pat mcafee when he wrestled. Nfc when he brussel ankole take over and he did the takeover war games. So i will watch it. I don't know if i like l. Presumably hate it. But i'll tell you this. My critique of special guest wrestlers is very it's low. It's not too bad as long as i'm entertained like there's rustling in their sports entertainment as long as sports entertained. I'm gonna be happy going to awa revolution. We have the exploding barbed wire. Death match is what. I hate about rape abuse happening when our shows out tuesdays because i feel like the shows that do happen because wbz has what monday wednesday and friday. Eight of. You just has wednesday rush on tuesday. I always feel like. I need to create a side snippet to kind of say. Hey this is what's fully developing leading into it. But they're doing exploding. Barwari death match between kenny omega. Jon moxley there probably will be blood. Hopefully it is better than their winter is coming But tv match that they had. Because i was not a fan of it. Kennedy is defending his gets modestly. We know peered. Chicanery is going to happen. We know it's not necessarily lead anything going gonna further the cross promotional brands. Probably gonna hate it also. I can't pay fifty dollars. 'cause i'm a hustler aka. I'm cheap. But i will make sure to watch youtube moments. I'm open that kind of gives kenny a rain. That is a clean victory because remember. He wanted to head off a mocks. Because don kaos through the microphone and kenny hit streetfight tactic match. Brian cage ricky starts team has were sustained in darby allin. That's right speaking of old timers and how people will get on. Wbz for say hey. They're bringing a goldberg. You're bringing sixty two year old state and it's not even going to be a cinemax bipin streetfight. You can kind of like not do suplex stuff like that. He took power. Bob and i was scared. Let this be staying last match or second last match. Let him ride off into the sunset cause remember what happened with him. He wrestled wb. He took a buckle bomb from seth. Something hurt his nerves really badly and he just collapsed. he had retired because he wasn't cleared. He does deserve the proper send-off in It's weird because i i can't recall staying effort really doing streetlights is watch him the tna world but you gotta make what you have rights like getting temporary crown on your teeth yoshida beauty. But she'll do until the row comes in prediction. Wise thing in alan. When you can't have staying rose right you get ya but wash them do it. But you can't do Going further into it young bucks vs chris jericho. Mj f that storyline the inner circles breaking apart young buck's will retain i'm guessing but i think The inner circle by chris jericho fully dissolve buster Finally further between young bucks and galveston anderson. The brothers who were still solid befriends partly cross promotion. Because this is the problem. Am i gonna get a real pay per view. The highlight the stars. Or are we just going to get something. That's going to be for the cross promotional branding. I think we'll get both. Aws women championship match is going to happen. Rashida will go against whoever contender is have finalized yet. Probably as could be santa rosa or snout rose on the roses win. I don't know if he's been fully signed. But i will say this he who hasn't necessarily done much she has. She hasn't parv is because the virus Lack of challengers. I wouldn't expect thunder. Rosa thunder. rosa did win. I would expect her to win against if not. It's neither rosa has history on. He took the title often. Isla rose originally but I'm guessing Wins awa face revolution ladder match. Think of it as whoever gets wins ladder match gets shot at the tnt championship. not the main championship. I don't like like that. Why can't they win the championship. That's what why wouldn't you want a ladder match for the biggest idol. Why is that to get to be the number one contender for amid kartheiser. Understand cody's whole presumption of there is no make tiles personnel It's kinda dumb. You could just put as the main title. Because that's what some of the gimmick batches should be for my personal opinion. Maybe shop grandpa but grandpa likes to think things as right. I dunno bus by the problem. Is who is the talent in. There is made a vet level land. Archers main event level pentagon is definitely level. I like scorpio side but he is actually more tnt unfocused in my opinion. I do think that scorpio sky wins it. I know they're gonna have ten from dark order. Entering there might be a surprise person. We'll see what happens there. They say. let's let's whatever they have. Chuck taylor and orange cassidy. best friends. Who i think they're larry versus miro keeps avian so he hasn't been great. It'll probably be the best friends matt hardy versus hangman. Page continuing the love story of Hangman page dark owner versus big money matt. And it's money stipulations. Whoever wins gets like their quarter profits of you watch bt the storyline size between matt. Hardy and the dr owner trying to get hangman in a basically i was gonna say twist of fate but that's too too funny also probably not the same thing Tug of war will say of his love. An oblique matches. They're out there doing a battle royale. Her number one. Contentious tactic Why will say this. I do like that. We have number one. Contender ship matches now. That on the pay per view because that's something. Wbz sorely missing. You get that new concept tests. I think it's a good focal point to show the talent and allow them to get matches as contenders to win their containership ship without having the impediments of tv. Time or the damn announcers plugging stupid little thing. This is monster burger king. You need to have something. That's easier go from there. New japan pick off dude big stuff. I stress up fit. Not as big as a w yet but this is still big coming in so couple. Storylines your roku Takahashi i a right for once. I like him. I call them japanese pepper. He was the junior heavyweight champion. He's hurt he vacates asylum. Then what they did at the road to castle attack was have a triple threat match which is kinda rarely and they had him. But they had el desperado a fountain and then bucci challenge for the junior heavyweight. What's a junior heavyweight title. Basically the cruiserweight tato was screws. Way tile. anybody. Who's under a certain weight class junior heavyweight heavyweight plan simple right Dusty winds it is also the junior tag title. They had won those over offense. He's no end tai chi so Or texaco gay. I can never take route on a name. Just called fancy stuff or my here academic So now basically Lsp has two titles. He's a tag team champion for the juniors. Also the junior heavyweight champion and that we get code obuchi versus the united auto. We know my love for night. Oh know my appreciation for bucci bushy and we know that coda has been carrying both the item you gp heavyweight championship and the gp intercontinental championship in. The store between the two of them was that nato isn't going to let coda unify the titles he's gonna take the tato ain't gonna retire it good match. What happens kota wins. What do they do. They have now. You've the championships. So there is no longer a either. Gp intercontinental title. There is no longer w. g. p. heavyweight championship now is i w gp world championship kind of big granted. Some people were bigger into new japan. I am such Doesn't matter into gone. outside of Mattered since shinsegei nakimora left. W but i always felt that was confident port entitled. I think it's good to kind of put. The never title never title is how they full merely say it as your next mid card title. But i would just kind of surprise. I'm expecting a new belt. As is while i'm fine with getting rid of the double belts pro. The problem with new japan saint paul wrestling organizations that they had too many championships and that can get confusing because new japan it was the intercontinental heavyweight championship. And then you had the title then. You had the us championship that they had as trying to get over a us fame. That's why moxley so has it. But then you have the junior heavyweight championships to tag team champions at the junior heavyweight championships. I felt that tacky championships. And i felt the simple solution was just the junior way. Coda was accruing for why he probably still is just a rank in latin america. They will in the future but he big stuff happened a little things from new japan as a co kado wants in on. It had the new japan cup coming in winter usually gets a title at the main title and also at the at the anniversary shows to be al dessie who won all those titles that desi to belts is challenging kota for the new at the new but the final unified tato before its unified. And then there's like oh man this is big and they go into. Wbz too much going on for me. I'm trying to bullet point. I think i'm doing a good job at it because we don't have a pay-per-view coming up soon. We got fastlane. This march twenty. I don't think anything on accede. That's really kind of going I will say this. That comes to mind love with adam cole and bringing up the undisputed era. The promises data becoming more interesting than your nfc championship. So you need to bring that all back together. Santos escobar in tearing cross a fantastic streetfight on exte- it was not q. Is played well. It made for santos who is a cruiserweight champion and carrying crosses basically at walking mountain. You made escobar look strong against a very good match kind of worth it Some of the other stories that coming in to wait and see. We'll let marinate a little bit. I know basic something. But we'll get to eventually. At some point they'll be titled matches. Maybe i'll create goofs after dark or maybe we'll call it the the snacks ice courts give session right Puckett cage verdy. We won't call it pocket cage but we look at the other bigger south so remember. We talked about limitation chamber last week and the miz had championship right and that are of. It was that bobby lashley had helped. Ms beat. drew mcintyre um talcum cashman. Well you know the bills always knew man you know there. There's a book called the wheel of time when you go to war. they say. What's the butchers bill right. I love that will listen to read listen to an awful pseudo assigned on sponsor but what was the bill bobby. Lashley want his ass fan and what i liked about. It was delayed. Ms being the perfect crap. He'll that's into it where he didn't wanna fight ms. What's our bobby. At all. Because ms knew that you would have lost presumably loss also real so russell. At nine pm didn't happen. He has stomach ache. Ms was feigning cramps. It was pain going on than saying okay. You have to wrestle ten pm and does mizzou The ring bell the bell rings. Iran's grabs his title runs away for ten gap. Because bobby lashley has benefited the most. Since the pandemic started he went on this terrific run as champion. The hurt business boomed up. He is the ceo of the hurt. Business look at that man spoiler to what you're seeing but look at that man that physique i wouldn't wanna approach. He is terrified. I'm sure he's a nice guy but where it was two years ago. He'd probably be the guy who fist-bump you now think he would just like Because as scared you right there right and then the third time in the same night was it was last ten minutes. I that's why not like our dhabi's. They did lumberjack match. And he just decimated juice of mated ms championship his first w championship of the first time. That he's been with. The company for fifty will fit in your space. Wait fifteen years because he loved to go tena and then came back a little bit. But you've built a. You've made him until mosser vince. For love of god do not let him have this just so drew mcintyre can win it back again so quickly through have opportunities. He does not need a third title within a calendar year. Let bobby had let it be all monsour. Don't let it be a cheap way because for once in my life in a long time if francisco we have a guy who legitimately looks like a champion. Greg say hey brock and all that stuff. Brock isn't as much of an everyday the way bobby would be and i think it'd be a fight other. I think go beat some people up. I don't think he'll have the chicken shit he'll that would just run away mizzle amiss. You did your job perfectly in. I hate the fact that he only had seven days to enjoy rate. But you knew you were going to be a transitional champions. What this means for mania i do feel that it will be drew and Bobby lashley. I don't think mrs He's gonna be wrestling against that bunny in a tag team match. All things considered that's the way it should be but don't kind of bastardize the title by doing all this hot potato that you've done in the last couple months going back to the same guy is let me ask you. This and i mentioned last week. I hold to it again. Are you a great champion if you had about three times within twelve months right. It doesn't work but grits. Bobby your scary. I'm very happy for you. And the hurt. Business is actually a very great stable now because they hold two sets of titles say now wti championship and they also hold its raw tactic. Titles because centric alexander and sheldon benjamin habit and what. I'm hoping that happens here. With bobby's rain is that it's not a snooze fest. The way that drew's was because drew started. Fine is first. Feud was against seth but it was a one off match and then it built into dolph which actually went to body labor. Not yet one. To bobby bobby loss. But they didn't revisit thought they should and then went to dolphin snack and then it went to randy which is good and injury loss clean and how to sell but then he was able to win it back on raw on the second. One is all just end russell goldberg russell for title. I can't get on that now. Mind you we're speaking about. You know little popping in the pants right now out pop a little bit if i get body drew and maybe brock at a triple threat at wrestlemainia. I don't know if rock wants to come back. He is technically a free agent. Which means just send the money. I'll be there but that beef all that beef all that before guy who has fast food all that beef. That's all guy could you. Even if you just gave me brockett. Bobby but i think you want the fan base there for the big field. I think you kinda get away with it a little bit with the triple threat because wbz is only summer slam. I think it was twenty seventeen where it was the quad patty as i called it brock. Listener samoa joe. Braun strowman roman reigns ended with brock. Pinning roman and in the next month braun brock had interaction brawler dominate. And all and then they met at no mercy in a snooze match but you can kind of build out a little bit. Too bracken bobby low bit that mania withdrew as catalyst in the in between and then maybe brock bobby at summerslam. Because you always put the big money matches. I feel the big four. Pay per view is big five account money in the bank because got. That's just money. They're both former may fighters. Look at bobby. Look at him. He's i call them. Union raise a net. Because it's like it's literally like that old comic bookstore that you have from the cartoon network or whatever or it's like radioactivity to hit this thing and now created something mazaris scary like that man. S you wop. I think you'll get brock less will mess you up. Closer would just like eat my hands reading. What's going to help that match. I believe both men would destroy me. How both because. I love a good beefy destroyer because vince always like the big guys. But sometimes the big guys can't you and bobby is limited has wrestling but let's be fair. All recipes are going to be limited. Something johnny gargano. Who i love i love is they. My buddy does defense johnny. Gargano can't do a full body press view if you're three hundred pounds whereas someone like bobby lashley and that's a nice little trick. Bobby became the fifth black W champion as you see. It's not a full longline coming into it. Wanting i'll take note of you're seeing big with the nfc championship. You're seeing a mark. henry with the world. Heavyweight king book have championship. You're seeing keith. Lee with the nfc championship two things. I wanted to consider. Because i'm not counting the rock and i'm not counting the rock because of that show i'm counteract because that was just a small stint to get seen over it wasn't a legitimate rate. It was transitional. Beat sam punk granted. That's that's auto us. We're going full attitude our than all the and stuff like that. Even though ironically rocket had that many long long feuds coming into it or not launch long range compared to some of the other people. But you look at lee and you look at biggie. Those are the annex t titles. so what. I'm hoping that bobby that rotted do in his prime not at that last time had the title and unfortunately what mark henry necessarily couldn't do what booker t. a cove of kofi. But he for logan from the drew effect where the challenges weren't as an elevator. Hoping that bobby. Kennedy's elevate that title to be on par with the universal championship because romans district killing. The story has been better. Writings been matches the fine. Because they're reading particular way produce particularly. This could be refreshing for me. Because i don't think bobby's about the russell cobra for relevance. Just say but drew chance again and he will get that chance with the live crowd but very happy for him. All the tiles have not changed. I'll just keep that now. Because it was bigger it was across all these brands that big stuff happened revolving Be so the champion riddle. So the us championship champion of bailey. Bailey to get sasha banks and bianca belair. They're going off in wrestling a resume. They made that official. Less can be cool. Maybe i don't know what's gonna happen there. Thing software retains the way to tag champions all the same as if there's tag champions that matter. Because vince us an auditing wrestling at eight. It and then oscar roslyn champion. Bobby lashley. I woke up when drew mcintyre loss. Go when she was no longer champion. Because this cash. I woke up her on windows goodful when i woke up today. Spotty lashin as champion angels singing. I thought and that's all i got this week. Okay all right. We got twenty minutes out of it. I knew yeah that's usually around the average that's around the average. Okay so that is. It's for number ninety five so we've got about five. More episodes left in the season before north will break. But yes thank you to brandon for popping up on the show. Be roar sports on twitter. Check him out. On the indiana pacers pacers dot com. You'll find his his writings there. So thank you to pod corn for sponsoring this episode. So we actually got paid so yeah. Yeah so the popcorn for those. 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15 in 60 Mailbag! (Part 2, Eastern Conference 11.20.18)

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15 in 60 Mailbag! (Part 2, Eastern Conference 11.20.18)

"We'll come on Monday edition of the pod gotta finish out. The fifty and sixty mailbag edition for the east last pod of the week with the thanksgiving holiday upon us. And let's get right to it with the Indiana Pacers. As of this recording. The Pacers are ten and six three and three since last time. We did this ninth and net rating and plus four point two nineteenth and offense third in defense and fivethirtyeight projects them to in forty six games would put them fifth in the Eastern Conference. Third full. We get into the question fence where the hell did that come from? I still don't know that'll be if it continued for another two weeks, I think that will be the focus of our of at least I'll do some research on that. 'cause I've been as you know, I've been very skeptical of their defense the last two years, so I want to really dig into that. I think the with Paul George no longer on the team that they're really gonna fall apart. And that is not really been the case of me one thing they've really improved a lot any is there defensive rebounding. They were a terrible defensive rebounding group a year. Ergo, the up to tenth in defensive rebounding. They're not the biggest thing they're doing is turning teams over this is just a Cisco analysis, obviously. And you know, I think that he is young as criminally underrated defensive player thought that for a long time. But when you look at the deepens of options that the SIEM has at the three you think like man, and obviously calls it as that, greedy. That I think court Joseph has been an underrated part of that. And they have some pretty good defensively. And maybe we'll have to start talking about miles Turner potentially being stepped forward defensively. But again, I haven't looked at at that closely at this point. But yeah, so after that reaction they're projected for Forty-six wins. Where did you wanna go to start with for these guys? We should talk a little bit about victory depot, he left the hawks game early due to Nissar nece, and he's just hasn't really looked like himself over the last little bit. I think it's good to to give them some time. If needs that the Pacers are pretty comfortable with where they are everything and on their own for the. Do you mean by that? Like, just well, I mean, do you think that pushing the depot we never do that actually an extra winter? But I was like, well, they're actually like trying really hard to get the four seat at least get home. Well, it'd be great to sure, but I think that considering the teams below fifth are not really strong right now. Like, I I don't think that they're giving him a couple of days just to a couple of games just to make sure that he's right there. I don't think there's much downward mobility, you could say there's a lack of upward you know, that if maybe those extra gamer to could matter because member the Pacers did not win a game last year when Victor depot did not pull. And then they they almost lost to the hawks in a game that he only played five minutes. They did win that game. And one other quick thing. Shooting numbers. This is the same knee knee soreness that he had issues with a season ago. And you know, you mentioned how bad they work without unless you knew got blown out and all those games as a recall, so the vet that they're able to come back talk to me, and they trailed by nine at halftime on Aaron holiday actually had a pretty nice game. With all the depot out the needs of more creation. I think a holiday maybe can provide that we'll see those first real meaningful action of the season. But yeah, what's their schedule? Look like full depot is going to miss time. Which you imagine he's probably going to cause he was really bad against Miami played twenty minutes, and then they brought him back for the back tobacco. King was able to go from within five minutes. So they host the jazz on Monday, then they around home and road,