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Lone Star, Extinguished
"It's wednesday february seventeenth. Everything's bigger in texas especially the power outages start here lives on the line. Millions are asking. How did cold weather lead to an electrical catastrophe. Texas has its actual own chunk of the electric grid vape. We'll break down what went wrong. And why the issues light deep in the heart of the grid. They said you can't take an ex president to impeachment. Court said fine. We'll take an irregular court. Lawyers could really try to unearth documents and emails electronic communications with the senate trial in the rear view mirror. Members of congress are pursuing new investigations the assault on the capital. And it's like a jigsaw puzzle with a national treasure. Americans rebuild walter dom invective could be more like jenga or reporter goes into notre dom to learn how difficult and dangerous it is to rebuild from. Abc news this is start here. I'm brad milkey. We lost power last night and it trickled on and off probably ten times when power goes off in a neighborhood. It can feel like an inconvenience early chance to eat and you have to rush my teeth or anything so after a while you start to worry about food staying good and see without lots of flashlights. At night. Three jackets three pants. Three socks and boots on from there. Every hour it gets progressively more dangerous. We haven't have power for the last day and a half my house last night. Breach to fifteen degrees inside and he was horrible which is why the power outages in texas. Week or so alarming. We are following breaking news. Millions of people in texas are without power. Right now is the state looks to conserve energy and relieves stress on the electric grid. I'm seventy years old. And i'm scared in houston woman and an eight-year-old girl dying carbon monoxide poisoning after a car was left running in garage to help generate heat as last night. More than three million. Texans had lost power as like the entire country of uruguay. Just turn the lights out and the reason given to us. Was you know we got these ice storms. But what does that actually mean we call it. The senior science writer for our partners at five. Thirty eight maggie curtis here. Hey maggie hi. how are you guys doing. Good so intuitively. I get why hurricane can knock out power to a place right like it. Makes the electricity poles. Come down like the water causes short circuiting but freezing. Temperatures eletricity still works in freezing temperatures. So why did this happen. Well power lines are still physical objects that can get damaged by cold for one thing so you have lots of different places in a electrical grid. Where cold weather just things down. And that is everything from an ice storm. Freezing the lions outside of your window weighing them down to the point that they crash to transformers exploded and was like fireworks. Going off for july can mean d natural gas coming out of the ground at the production site is freezing at. You know at the site of production. We're down there doing everything we can to literally put heaters in the ground to get those lines back up that can mean people workers at power plants not being able to drive to the power plant. Because it's just too icy. There's lots of different ways that whether of this extreme in a place that does not expected to be that extreme can really just start messing with the entire system by the problem is the weather is causing the outages but the weather is also causing the man to look at that moment. People need their heaters on more than ever. They need services more than ever. Why texas looks like we're seeing other power outages but we're talking about ten thousand three million. What happened in texas. Well there's a number of different things happening here and some of it has to go back to the fact that our electric grid is not a. It's not like a brand new state of the art design system anywhere in the united states and one of the things that were sort of seeing happening here with texas is that texas is like a whole other country. In north america. there are three electric grids. The western interconnection the eastern interconnection and the urquhot interconnection texas has its actual on chunk of the electric grid like the electric grid is is divided into three parts everything east of the rocky mountains everything west of the rocky mountains and texas literally texas is on its own littoral. Yes yes yeah. That's not an exaggeration. Policy direction comes primarily from texas public utility commission guided by the texas legislature. And it is like that because politics basically like. There's no technical reason why it has to be that way. There's no reason why that's even remotely an ideal situation or caught a similar to an air traffic controller. It doesn't own the airplanes or runways but it steps back and make sure everything is flowing properly and efficiently and what it ends up. Meaning is that texas can't share electricity or get electric city from the rest of the country very easily. It's possible but it's not a very simple thing to have like there's blackouts can say. Oh shoot like we need to get 'electricity from wherever colorado someone right right and this is not always a bad thing. I mean like one of the things where you see benefit to having the setup is that it ends up driving up the cost of electricity. Sometimes which means that. There's a big impetus to build more electricity. Which is a big part of why. Texas has led the nation in win development over the last couple of decades because they have all of this incentive to build more power generation. Usually they're thinking for the peak of summer which is a really great time to get wind power in texas. They're not really planning for the peak of winter. Seventy to eighty of them about ten percent are physically off-line right now physically are not working. So if you've seen. I'm sure some of the stuff around blaming wind power for these outages by working outta well. I mean when turbans still work in minnesota brian. We get a large portion of our electricity from wind. Turbines and part of that is because minnesota has. You can buy a car and upgrade all these upgrade packages while the same is true of wind turbines and all the ones in minnesota have the cold weather package installed which includes things like heaters sang and stuff like that and texas did not now. We had rotating outages in nineteen eighty nine and two thousand eleven after two thousand eleven. The public utility commission recommended updating winterizing these power plants but it was not mandated. The reason why it was seen as a costly mandate for a weather event that we really only see every ten to twenty years. of course. we're in one right now and that decision seems rather obvious. We have reached out. But it's not just wind right when you were looking at the data coming in over this weekend about where the outages were happening in texas a far greater proportion of their lost generation capacity was coming from natural. Guests are not going to pull power from first responders. You know fire station. Police departments hospitals and so that gives them very limited capability to take some people off line. Put them back online. Take other people off line and keep rolling so instead this other places that demand that natural gas so there's a lot of natural gas going to heating and there was not enough natural gas left for some of those power plants. God and so then. This is a wakeup call. i just wanna just. Who exactly is a wakeup call to. Yeah well i'd say it's definitely a wakeup call to the people that are running the electric systems because some of this is gonna have to be about like your infrastructure upgrades. I wrote a book about the electric grid about a decade ago and One of the things that i learned from that is that our infrastructure electrical infrastructure. All over this is very very old. Documents obtained under the freedom of information. Act show that before the campfire. Pg new the forty nine steel towers the carry the electrical line. The failed needed to be replaced entirely. There's a bunch of houses in america. That are still operating a knob and tube wiring. Because there's not a big incentive to spend your rennovation money on something like that if it's still working on intel it catastrophically fails alaska minneapolis. Minnesota boston new york. They'll lose power when it gets cold because they build their facilities differently. The question is are we willing to do that. And it's the same thing with the grid as a whole and again we're talking about catastrophic events that also means that in a shifting climate when you might be catastrophic weather events smushed even closer together. It's even bigger deal right. Nagy kurth there in minnesota. By the way what are we talking about. Here is in positive. Territory. oh no it's actually. It's great today. It's like ten degrees. And i went outside and i was like all okay from our friends at five. Thirty thank you. Thanks a lot. Since being inaugurated president biden has barely left. The white house made a quick trip to his home in delaware but otherwise he's remained in dc because a lot going on wisconsin or folders the devil up there. They got a lot that changed yesterday. When biden went to milwaukee capped the town hall on cnn. What is the plan and recommendation to get. Students back into the brick and mortar buildings. As parents of four children. I find it imperative that get back to school safely as possible. Say god bless son. No purgatory for you for kids home. I really mean and by the way the loss of being able to be in school is having significant impact on the children and parents as well. He was there to teach his plan for nearly two trillion dollars in covert relief. Biden's team has said he wants to do this. More tickets plans outside the beltway. Constituents fired up. After all polling shows most americans actually agree with the idea of a big rescue package. So what's the difference between this week and last week. Why not do it then will this week. Biden is the only show in town as the riders reached the top of the stairs. They were within one hundred feet of where the vice president was sheltering with his family wall. Pence was locked in a room. Just outside the senate chamber as that mob was closing in. Donald trump took to twitter to twitter to attack pence for not having courage for not having the courage to overturn the election as we lived the events of january sick during last week's impeachment trial of former president trump. That was the sole thing. People in washington were talking about was. How did this happen. How dangerous had the last few months been for democracy and who should be held. Responsible biden is betting that congress is ready to focus on what he wants to do. Covert relief but with trump's acquittal. The end actually be a long way off. Remember forty three republican senators voted to acquit trump. Many of them sang just. Because this isn't the senate business. He's a private citizen. Now will yesterday. A member of congress sued trump as a private citizen. And what happens next. Could continue to shape how we view the events of january six. Let's go to abc senior investigative reporter. Aaron katersky aaron. What's happening here brad. There is going to be a lawsuit against the former president along with his attorney. Rudy giuliani and to extremist groups. The proud boys and the oath keepers and it was filed by one of the most powerful democrats in the house congressman bennie thompson of mississippi that share of the house homeland security committee and he said it republican leader in the senate mitch. Mcconnell openly encouraged this kind of litigation trump is still otto for everything he did while he was an office as an ordinary citizen unless the statute of limitations has run. Still allowable for everything you did. While there's an office didn't get away with anything in his speech on the senate floor. Following former president trump's acquittal mcconnell said we have criminal justice system in this country we have civilization and former presidents are not immune from either. I saw the moving of the furniture blocking the do i heard the shot where A citizen was killed and so chairman thompson appears to have taken mcconnell up on the offer and he is saying that trump giuliani the proud boys. The oath keepers all conspired to incite the riot of january sixth and in doing so violated the ku klux klan act. What is the ku klux klan act. It's actually in some ways almost drafted for this situation. Even this states to reconstruction of it was passed in the seventy one and it is a a law that made it illegal to conspire to do anything that would keep congress from doing. It's business that were marauders to attempting to block it and initially. It was meant to protect southern states. Senators from constituents who might have been angry In in the aftermath of of the civil war is particular. Statute has virtually never been invoked since. Then which i think speaks volumes. About how extraordinary. The events of china is sixth floor. But here bennie thompson believes it was written just for this moment because he said that trump and giuliani the oath keepers and the proud boys all tried to keep congress from doing. It's business from certifying. The election results and he said they nearly succeeded but errantly. What is the likelihood that anyone would actually get held responsible for something that just seemed to snowball like did because the even the whole point impeachment managers were making was yeah. There wasn't one moment. Were someone said. Let's go kidnaps members of congress. Let's go storm. The capital there that that moment didn't exist that's why they had to build their case and trump got acquitted and they built it through video and audio. But what were they missing. What what kinds of things might a civil lawsuit in federal court unearth. What about emails. Or what about a text messages. Or or or Recollections of private conversations that could be subpoenaed through a discovery process ultimately the the impeachment trial was a political process and it led to a political result. This suit is being filed in court of law where the rule of law applies and so lawyers. Assuming this all goes forward and you can bet the former president's going to do whatever he can to try and derail it but assuming it goes forward lawyers could really try to unearth documents and emails electron communications anything that would build out a fuller narrative. There's still more evidence that the american people need and deserve to hear and in that spirit bread. This may not be the only thing to try and build a more full accounting of what went on on january six. Well and that's the thing erin is. Is this just a democratic member of the house several democratic members of the house saying you know we didn't see the result we wanted over in the senate we're going to keep this in the american consciousness right now. We just want to keep beating this drum or are there things. They think they can get out of these that they didn't get in the impeachment trial. Is it just about attention. Or are there actual outcomes. They're looking for brad. We're about to get our first hearing involving the response of capital police and house speaker. Nancy pelosi says she wants to invoke a nine eleven style commission to thoroughly investigate. What happened on january. Six then make recommendations for how to prevented in the future and a few minutes after donald. Trump's tweet he didn't reach out to check on the vice president's he called senator to ask about delaying the certification and while that may not come with a constitutional or legal punishment it could certainly help shape former president trump's legacy if the narrative that the democrats have presented holds that he knew full. Well that this insurrection was underway and did nothing to stop it. The lawyers are fairly confident that as a private citizen now he cannot use the shield of his office about an hour past before i was able to really know what was going on and to get out of the gallery area into what i thought was a more secure area that turn out To be a hot spot for gerona virus the congressman thompson says that as an individual. He was harmed by what went on on january. Six then is entitled to these financial awards from a court that would come directly out of former president trump's pocket and to the point about just the number of ways in which you can see this is at an impeachable offenses at a criminal fences civil one. This congressman filed a civil lawsuit with the assistance of the nwa cpi who says this should also be seen as an attempt to disenfranchise black voters. So like you said. Aaron the question of which legacy will be cemented as this all plays out. Thanks a lot thank. You are here in france. Ever thought they'd be relying on an obscure. American to keep notre dame intact or team goes inside the cathedral after the break. It's time to enjoy the view. Wherever the day takes you come on now. No fear the view girls are here. Biggest names unafraid to share their views. And hold nothing back. Talk about fame's on this show that people don't talk about and now. Abc's the view is available. As a podcast. With whoopi joy. Sarah sunny meghan and diana. This is gonna be good. Enjoy the view podcast. Listen for free on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app. Every weekday afternoon. I remember flipping on the tv in april. Two thousand nine hundred and seeing something. I never imagined notre dom cathedral burning the pictures from paris at this hour just catastrophic. It was heartbreaking to watch the ladders. Were not telling us those. Were not strong enough to the point where i was like. Oh my god is. The notre dame cathedral literally burnt the ground. Before my mom's the spire of the eight hundred fifty year old. Notre dame cathedral collapsed caving in the roof and golfing this historic. landmark inflames. Since then it's become difficult to describe. Just how close. It came to being demolished and how difficult it will be to rebuild. We'll guess what yesterday. Abc's foreign correspond. James longman got an exclusive tour inside and he found the future of notre dame might actually rest on the work of a dead american professor james. Now because james. I was not ready for this. I was expecting to hear. Hey here there's patching the cement working happening behind me and yet to hear you. This sounds actually a lot more complicated and really a lot more. What are you seeing there. Yeah i mean actually. It was a total surprise to us. We were led inside the not true damn compound you have to go through this kind of decontamination process. It's getting on some kind of starship because of the lead. We're actually not even allowed into this part. Because they're so worried about lead inhalation. You need a specialized mosque in order to go in. The amount of lead that melted was lining the roof into the cathedral. Basically the reason why that roof collapsed on two hundred tons of lead on not reef poisonous. Substance is everywhere. Now it's embedded in the stone in the metal in the woodwork. And it's everywhere in the air so you have to wear these kind of tie suits marching around and we will lead not i into the cathedral itself but to attend nearby. Here they've done here is they recuperated everything they found all the bits of woodwork carpentry. The mason they needed to retrieve that was found scattered along with the floor of notre after the fire where the chief archaeologist is busy with her team trying to piece together the pieces of stone that fell about distance. Some thirty meters from the roof of notre dame all. It's basically an enormous puzzle and put them together and work out where they went. Originally in order to these stones. Back in to rebuild the roof ocular america one hundred talent the guy behind it is an american. His name is andrew talent belgian american. I should say. And he absolutely loved notre dame he was not historian a professor of vassar and he dedicated his life to not dom happens in two thousand fourteen. There about twenty two plan of not and that's the one you're using victim. Well sadly he died in two thousand eighteen so he never saw the fire but his the plans that they're using now in in in notre dom to try to rebuild the church and it's pretty extraordinary to head archaeologist said to me his the only plans that survived because for that specific part they don't have any others say americans rebuilt not down victim. But why does that matter so much. If obviously this is not gonna. It's not all going to be original. Would everything there are. Parts that just got burned. What is the problem with having stone air that stone there well. They have to work out with renault. These particular stones were structurally sound. Shit kevin from the roof. That's the worst thing. They might have cracked a block rather than the defines early so they have to take these out clean them properly get rid of all the lead and then either get them into a position where they can be put back into the church all use them with this cutting edge laser technology to then four new pieces of stone using them as a model to then Make new stone. That can be used to rebuild notre dame. So it's a long long process. Somebody blocks They're gonna have about ten originals. That make it into this and the only just started really piecing these bits of stone together because the main part of the project so far the last two years has actually been just to try to stabilize that building. One of the weakest parts of the hull structure between these two towers and that was what was really worrying. Onlookers on that night and has worrying. Engineers tech's ever since still not filled completely secure because of the roof that gaping hole in the roof which i managed to climb up on the roof and how to look down through the big hold about spy collapsing. Levinson ends of what was once volt at this place. Miss still welcome to skill the building now and so. Then what will this end up looking like james like. What is the plan is it. Are people going to go to paris and several years. Wow that's not dahmer's is going to look like something different. They have tried very much to keep to the original plan. There were there was a kind of a of competition if you like. Different architectural designs of what the new not dominant light. But it's actually now going to look exactly the same as it did the day before it went up in flames but there have been big delays. Because this thing is so complicated. They've got something like ten thousand separate pieces of wood. They need to sort. The hit originally wanted to get this thing properly roofed in order for visitors to be able to come back by the olympics in paris which is due to be held in twenty and twenty four. No one here is saying that's not going to happen. But they're very very cautious about saying that it is it does feel it's going to slip but it is a huge symbol of national pride for the french. You're saying that wrong. With assad still looks incredible is other and so it was a real pleasure actually to see all these different workers coming together with their different skills to try to rebuild their national emblem fascinating stuff. I james longman there in paris. Thanks so much thanks. Thanks brad and one last thing. The filing was one hundred pages long but a judge's ruling could just been summed up in three words. No take back sees we told you about this case a while ago revlon. The makeup company needed a ton of financial help and took out. Nearly a billion dollars in loans from these outside lender revlon hired city group as its banker so city groups job was to make revlon's interest payments but one day last year instead of sending the usual eight million dollars in interest the lender see that city group sent them. Eight hundred million will judge has now ruled. That's the end of it. The lenders that held onto the money get to keep about half a billion dollars. Now there are rules thing. If you mistakenly pay someone you're entitled to get back the reason that doesn't work here. The judge said is the rule only counts. If it's a clear mistake at the time and the judge says that if you're in the lender shoes this clearly looked like citigroup was deciding to pay off. Revlon's debt. They were giving you all your money back at once in fact. Here's a quote from the ruling to believe that citibank one of the most sophisticated financial institutions in the world had made a mistake. That had never happened before the tune of nearly one billion dollars that would have been borderline irrational. Meaning the lenders. Now get to keep the money. Group is furious and a struggling. Makeup company is free and clear with its best financial foundation in years. Not revlon can give away all of its makeup for free for at least a few teams what it should be right. Remember start. Here is smart speaker friendly. That means you can get us playing at home while you're making your coffee putting on your makeup whatever it is or all these stories at. Abc news dot com the abc news app him.
Face Qualm: Did the CDC Move Too Soon?
"It's monday may seventeenth. it's been a year. What do we do with our faces. Again we start here. Days after groundbreaking decision from the cdc cities states and companies are still scrambling figure out how to regulate masks. The cdc may have gotten the science on this. But i don't think they got the social science but for individual americans. These adjustments might take even longer it. Looks like a war in missiles fly like a war families wiped out as they were sleeping in. Their beds are growing calls for a ceasefire in israel but this could still get worse and infrastructure. Sounds like of wonky word until the bridges start falling down. How did you not see that on your angel inspection in twenty nine hundred eighteen twenty twenty. How a small piece of steel was able to shut down the fighting mississippi from abc news. This is start here. And i'm brad milkey. This episode of start here is presented by uk. G when your employees feel supported your business becomes more than a place of work it becomes a work of art and uk. Jeez hr workforce management solutions in. Help you create your masterpiece. Uk g of purpose is people early on in this pandemic. There was a sense that you could be overly cautious. We recommend that people who are sick. Wear a mask. We'd recommend that people who are around someone who's covert positive wear mask but do not recommend general public whereas masks protective mechanism. The cdc said hey obviously people want to keep themselves safe but lacking any evidence that masks work people putting their fingers near their mouths right now scaring their neighbors well then came guidance. Saying some of these supercautious measures were exactly right wherever mask at all times. When you're outside a lot has happened since then we understand more about how covid nineteen spreads are case numbers have gone way down and most importantly we have extraordinarily vaccines. Are you ready to take it. On absolutely as a result you once again live in a country where a bunch of folks might be gathering in a gym or church masks off brave again and if they are vaccinated. They are totally following. Cdc advice is it time now but this weekend gave a lot of people their first taste of that new life. Their trial run and after a year of masks. Not everyone felt comfortable. May not enough people needed for me to really feel safe. I would still wear a mask at any store with around people because you don't know that someone's vaccinated. They could just pretended found. Should i change my habits today. What about tomorrow. Should i wear my mask just so other. People are nervous of me if a store wants to keep my mask on. Should i put up a fuss. And most fundamentally do. I trust the cdc about what is safe enough. Step into this brave new world now. Abc's and flaherty who covers federal agencies and nagy kurth writer for partners at five. Thirty eight maggie. Can we start off the can throw something out at you. Just so. We're all totally clear if i'm fully vaccinated and a family member wants to come over. Who is just refused to get vaccines. He swings by the house according to the cdc. I could invite him over. I could give him a hug. We drink beer like the whole thing. I mean that is. That is what the cdc saying. Yeah i mean it. What you are comfortable with is a different question to sort of have and those questions may also be different answers depending on who else is in your family right like i am fully vaccinated but i have to unvaccinated children and no. They're not so we're not going to go hang out with unvaccinated family members in a completely like no masks situation because they can't get it yet they're too young. So what sort of situation you have with your family like ends up mattering a lot. And a lot of the cdc guidelines have really been written down as though you are a single individual living on your own and not always the case but if you are vaccinated what they are saying is that you are protected like there's enough evidence now to say that you're extremely unlikely to be getting anything or passing it on to anyone else even if you've got us difficult pass it on to somebody else that chances go down and down doubt right and flaherty. How surprising though was this guide. I'm thinking about over this weekend. How surprising was this guidance. To people outside the government it was surprising that people inside the government. brad. I mean this was the big shocker of you know. I can't even think of anything as shocking as this. The way houses they only learned of it on wednesday night at least nineteen of the twenty four states that had mask mandates now announcing plans to adopt the cdc guidance or scrap mask requirements entirely. Right after the cdc announcement hits you see a lot of confusion among the governors. There's there's a lot of. Hey we're just gonna stay where we are for now after looking at the new guidance from the us cdc. We thought they were going to stick with the mask. Mandate the next day we heard. Okay wait no we're going the way of. Cdc we will be lifting the mask. Indoor mask mandate as well. The major chains like walmart costco and trader joe's making masks optional for fully vaccinated shoppers starbucks. We heard they were going to stick with the mask. Mandate they were reviewing it. And the next thing you know they're going by the way of. Cdc i it just became this kind of confusion about who was going to do. What and where. The state of pennsylvania has adopted those guidelines into its mask mandate while philadelphia health department has not made an announcement on if city guidelines will change and all within the same location. I mean you could be living in a county and you would have to wear your masks. Maybe some places but not other places and that was really what i think became so difficult with this decision. They're jumping the gun for sure. I mean last week they tell you everybody must wear a mask and now two days later. They're saying take off your mask. I don't trust any of it what we've been here at supermarkets where it's now optional to wear a mask and so what do you know one out of ten. Shoppers are now wearing masks. Even though statistically we know ninety percent of people at these supermarkets aren't vaccinated so are people hearing. Hey it's optional. And thinking great like. I don't want to wear masks anymore. It's open season. you know. I think what people have to realize is that the. Cdc may have gotten science on this. But i don't think they got the social science of this. They didn't seem to realize that we have been conditioned for four hundred and five days to put on these mass. That we weren't just protecting ourselves. We were protecting others. We were protecting the most vulnerable. And it's like we finally get on board and then the reality was. They have a lot of evidence. I mean there was a study of five hundred thousand healthcare workers across half the country that found you know. This is what maggie was talking about. Even if you are exposed to the virus if you've been vaccinated you're not gonna get sick and you're not gonna pass it on to loved ones who are unvaccinated that it was a slam dunk. That's all the cdc can do. The cdc can go out there and say you are safe. But they weren't thinking of how americans we're going to see this which is wait what it was. Just total whiplash. One i'm trying to understand here because in the you know since this guidance came out there have been doctors that have expressed concern or skepticism. Maybe and these are not yahoos. I'm not talking about people who just anti-science but they're saying. I don't know if i would've done with the cdc did here. Like i might have held off on. This told people. Keep wearing your mask. We could see more surges or more various or whatever like what are the the legitimate concerns here. I think those doctors are really primarily looking at The public health implications of this. And we've already definitely seen some public health implications that deviate from what is scientifically reasonable. We've found out enhance has what they call primary immunodeficiency that the between he was born basically arctic system. That doesn't work. Like it's one thing for the cdc to say we have all this evidence you are going to be in a safe position individual and it is another thing entirely for the state of minnesota to be like well. We don't need any indoor masks anywhere anymore and everything's fine and read about it. The official date that they had for people like chant. The protection is two years away. Because that's not taking into account the still large numbers of people who are not fully vaccinated but yet if you like if you're vaccinated sure like are people going to be checking my cd. Seek carter the check. How do you do that. I mean you can't they don't have to. I mean that's what people are missing. Is that you know. the cost. co workers don't have to become the vaccine police. This becomes our own personal risk at this point. We're not going to discourage anybody from wearing it. And when i could add it enforced him to where. It's just whatever. Your comfort zone is but i think maggie made such a good point about kids being unvaccinated. You have immuno compromised people so it does. It creates this situation where you know. How do you make a community safe but if someone is adamant about. I'm not going to wear masks. Who am i to say yes you will but it just put everybody on the honor system and without bringing the governor's in advance on how to message right with the bringing in business leaders in advance on how to message this. I think they miss the social science of this Big mark maggie. How do you deal with the kit. Like why not wait for kids. There's not a thirteen year old in this country who is quote unquote fully vaccinated. Because not weeks haven't pass soon. Why not wait that long. I mean i if you gave me control over the whole thing. We won't be waiting that long and it's not just kids also like there are large of americans who want to be vaccinated but still are not and primarily. We're talking about people who are low income who are working service industry jobs who do not have the ability to easily schedule. An appointment during a workday haven't been refreshing walgreens site. They can't do that right like in even like the walk in clinics often are open during business hours right and so there's not enough states. Doing things like new york is doing with the vaccines on the subway platforms. Which is like the one place. I think they're actually. Seeing vaccination rates going up is through programs like that while the scheduled places are falling back because the people that still need vaccinated are the ones that can't do those scheduling. Do we live in a country that can handle it if there was a surge if there was a variant of fruit. Do we live in a country that could handle being told. Actually we need you guys to put your masks back on november stuck. I that is going to be tough. Cdc has consistently shown a scientific evidence that says you are much safer if two people in a room have masks on so if you are unvaccinated in that room and someone else comes in without a mask. You're not as safe think that the cdc was in a really bad position. What we would say is if you're unvaccinated in that room you should get vaccinated now. I think could have handled it differently by bringing people in making more fanfare of it but when the scientists there you don't go that direction then you risk losing credibility as well so really no one situation we were going to get to a place in this pandemic where vaccinated people were going to be able to take off their masks. We're lucky to be there with the science that we have and just to highlight the overwhelming sentiment. That i'm getting from you guys that we've gotten from scientists over the weekend is the science is clear. The cdc is looking at the numbers. These numbers are answered a slam dunk for individuals concerned about getting covid. Nineteen like if you're vaccinated concerned squashed math. How big groups of people respond to this and how unvaccinated people and kids all handle this. As well and flaherty kerr. Thanks so much thanks. Thanks so much active on start here. At what point does it stop being a conflict and start being a war. We're going to israel after the break. Okay so you're staring at the wall the wall in your home it's looking kinda sad you know the one. You're getting tired of new apartment white. You know you should paint. But what are the colors does read work with wood. Flooring is blue to bold with. This couch will beige. Feel to blah. Choose a color anyway. Luckily color experts at val spar have heard all these problems and they are here to help find the perfect color for any room by working with your vision and answering all your questions. 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Matt who is on the ground in tel aviv met i mean. I guess you could debate. Who started this depending on. How far back you right. But the initial rockets were from a moss. But there's no longer any debating on which side has done more damage to the other right. Certainly if you're talking about the number of casualties brad. Yes i you know. Palestinians have lost about two hundred people dead twelve thirteen hundred wounded at this point. Israel has suffered ten dead and nearly three hundred wounded and we look at the actual physical damage. There's a vast disparity there of gaza especially the northern parts. Looked like a moonscape buildings. Big block towers that look like a demolition team. Just took out all the foundations level. It does not look the same in israel right. But an argument could be made and israelis are making the argument that hamas rockets thirty one hundred of them so far fired at an unprecedented rate at kept the country hostage as israeli say The airspace has been closed for a week. Basically by israelis are afraid to go out. Schools been canceled. No country in the world would see sites like this and just go forward with his life. We have children with elderly people. Who are you to this. It missiles being over from gaza so there certainly has been in effect a significant effect on both sides at this point. What generally like the difference between these two armed forces is hamas ascending rockets indiscriminately into population zones. Israel has these precision really advanced weaponry that can precisely blow up specific buildings that they say are instrumental to hamas activity either house hamas leaders. The house weapons will this weekend. Israel said we've blown up another one of these buildings and yet we know that it was used by a lot of journalists so like unless the associated press was hanging out below some hamas folks and they hadn't scoop that story somehow. How does netanyahu defend these all precision. Strikes seen a lot of stuff in twenty years covering the conflict. And i've been in that building many times As a reporter. When i was based here and it was a pretty shocking. Site is the algebra tower aljazeera english and other outlets reporting live on the demolition of their own building. That building is where algeciras offices there. We are another strike or not terror. Terror has come down. Israel claims that hamas has caused some sort of military installation their ap and every other media outlet that was there and there were many international media outlets there Roundly denied it. The world will know less about what's going on in gaza because of what happened today. Israel still hasn't provided evidence at least publicly that this was in any way a hamas military installation. We have taken out a lot of the senior military leadership. We've been seeing pictures coming out of gaza. These pancake buildings and rescuers clawing at the rubble trying to find survivors. Whole families wiped out as they were sleeping in their beds. This is one of the reasons that the international community is already saying. Okay enough already. We understand you guys. Want to take out hamas. You've you've certainly reduced their capabilities so far but this is enough matt to somebody like benjamin. Netanyahu could ground troops be the difference because at one point we heard ground troops are going in then they warrant out later. Israeli defense forces would actually give out false. Information might have been a mistake. Or maybe because they wanted to lure hamas leaders to run over to their underground tunnels while israel was planning to hit them there. But at this moment meant there's still no ground troops right. So could that be the next shoe to drop. Israel has these tanks and mobile artillery pieces nosed right up to the border and they are embarking right from the border naval assets bombarding from the mediterranean sea. And they've got the israeli air force banging away. Gaza it's questionable what they would be able to achieve with ground forces. That would be about completely taking out moss. It would also be horrifically. Bloody casualties on a completely different level. I don't think israel or hamas has the stomach for that right now. All right not gotten in tel aviv. Stay safe thanks much. thanks We're gonna be talking a lot about infrastructure in the coming weeks and months. The rarely see such a perfect example of how important basic infrastructure can be. An soto bridge is closed. After that major crack was discovered says they found a fracture on a beam that runs the length of the bridge for nearly a week. Now engineers have been furiously examining a bridge right near memphis tennessee. Because of a big crack that appeared structural issues officials had to tell cars immediately. Stop crossing this bridge boats. You gotta stop crossing under it. Which is annoying enough. Except this bridge spans. America's largest river and it's been creating american version of that suez canal crisis with many goods only now being able to restart their journey. Brad broder's has reported from our memphis affiliate local twenty four and read. Can you just back us up a second. Explain how this became such a big deal so quickly sure. Thanks for having me so on tuesday. Arkansas department of transportation inspectors discovered a large crack. Aren't a steel beam on the. I forty bridge which connects arkansas into tennessee on critical. Find on the bridge and we need to get traffic office immediately. Those inspectors immediately called an alerted authorities to stop traffic as a precaution broken member maybe it track across the bridge also. The coastguard stopped boats. Going underneath the bridge as another precaution. So as we speak the traffic on that bridge is still shut down in all directions. Truck drivers are left with only wine option to get the tennessee or choosing to drive hundreds of miles out of their way to bypass traffic. Now some good news. On friday the coastguard allowed barge traffic to again. Go underneath the bridge because you think about these large barges utah on the mississippi river. This morning there were sixty two vessels in more than one thousand barges in q. All waiting for the waterway to be back open. Mississippi river is in critical north south artery for goods going from new orleans. All the way up to minneapolis. St louis this places in between but as of this morning traffic is not allowed on the i forty bridge in either direction. The key question moving forward will be how significant that crack in that steel. Being is the tennessee. Department of transportation or wednesday said it's plausible. This potentially could take months not weeks to reopen the bridge. But we're not gonna shoot from the hip here. We won't have the best long-term to get this bridge back open. Well can i ask you even even more basic question. How how does this happen. How does this happen for a bridge. Like you said is so significant. Not just a memphis. Not just to cross country traffic but to like the economy like this is an instrumental stretch of water and road. Were there indicators that this should have already happened or what. It's incredible that a two by three feet. Steel beam is causing so much headaches for logistics and for traffic so the arkansas department of transportation does annual inspections of that. I forty bridge. They're in charge. They found this crap on a routine inspection tuesday however amateur photographer. David menasco took this picture of the hernandez soto bridge. During a riverboat cruise. Two years ago was like. Wow why it's been there that long. We are friday that base on a picture on twitter that claim that crack was there in nineteen. How many thousands of people travel across that read every day. The arkansas department of transportation confirmed that that crack yes was in fact. Real and the damage are that steel beam. Was there two years ago so that you many other questions. Mainly how did you not see that on your angel inspection in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty so that is going to be later today. Arkansas department of transportation the whole news conference and explain what happened and another big question. Big picture as what does that. Say about the inspection program and you have to change. How what you do on those quote quote unquote routine inspections because clearly that was not seen in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty so many questions with that each day that the bridge is closed for repairs. It's estimated to cost the arkansas trucking industry. Two point four million dollars to get from You know west memphis and clear the bridge on the other side and gets a to forty eight minutes most recently as taking eighty four minutes a daily basis. It's estimated that about thirty percents. Traffic is in eighteen. Wheeler truckers going across that bridge. It's it's critical for for cargo and goods going east and west on that bridge. So that's going to be. The key question is key and traffic reopened somewhat during construction orders. It happens the state completely shut down for weeks potentially months. you'll be talking about gas hikes. After ransomware attacks we talk about stuff on amazon costing more. Because what was going on in the canal in egypt we will see what kind of impacts this nearly week. Long delay is a lot of domestic shippers. Brad broder's their memphis. Thanks so much. Thank you arrest away again for a hot second when we come back this drink could really and i mean really mess you up. One last thing is next. Credit karma has always been there to help you make better financial decisions and now they want to help you even more with a credit karma money spend the county can be rewarded for good money. Habits credit karma. Money is a brand new checking account where you can win cash reimbursements for making purchases so when you use your credit karma money debit card. You can win. Daily instant karma purchase reimbursements on items up to five thousand dollars. Just pay with your debit card and if you win you'll be notified on the spot in your instant karma cash will be added back to your spend account. Credit karma. 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They said this worked. The apples did have radiation but it was filtered out in the distillation process and they sent the vodka off to britain for scientists to examine. We've now learned though that that vodka has been seized at the border by ukrainian authorities not necessarily because ukraine things. It's dangerous. They've said there are some issues with customs papers but this is one of those things where some dudes in uniform impound some liquor so they can score some free vodka you really hope they read the label because the brain name of this. Liquor is atomic to vodka choice. Lots of personal risk assessments happening. This week around. The world has always. If you're enjoying the show please leave us. A rating and review helps other people. Discover us more in all these stories at dot com for the abc news app. See them up.