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232 - Permission to do it your way with Kirsten Morrison

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232 - Permission to do it your way with Kirsten Morrison

"Welcome to episode two hundred thirty two permission to do it. Your way with christopher morrison today. I've invited my beautiful frank custom to come join me on the podcast now. I've had christmas on a couple of times. And she's had such a shifts in her business. That i also to come back and talk to us all about human design and breath work and how they impacted her business herself as well as how. It's given her the permission to do things her way. So if you feel like you are multitalented if you feel like no matter what is going on in the world you feel like you're looking everybody else doing all the things and you just feel like some of those things. Just don't work for you or you feel like you get caught up in doing all the shoots when you just want to do it. Your own way in this episode is definitely here. I'm not gonna go into it too much. Because i'm just going to let you experienced kirsten and out awesome conversation. So let's just dive straighten. The next life caused by christine cool. Crandall is for all pots into entrepreneurs who wants to up level then mindset motivation and business to make a positive and meaningful impact in the world today so if you love what you do and once a he from inspiring through latest and successful design where we have real conversation real connections. Then this is for you. I went to assist you. In finding the clarity and awareness you need to up will your mindset and set your soul on fire to take massive aligns action in your business so you can take your life to the next level ready to get started. let's go. I'm super excited to this conversation today. Still all about breath work design and needful permission and do that. I leave out of my beautiful frankness. The martians join me. Some thank you so much coming on the cross together again. I know it's like oh times my pleasure you love talking and we just jam so well and i think there's been so much that you can share your recent johnny in your business that i think really beneficial for a lot of other people to he of so just to get started on you to the much recent elements of your journeys. What's changing lacoste lost. It was thought to consider the last of us. Gosh much changed. So i think the biggest change is that i let full-time into my business and know i think. Last time we sparked is still working fulltime job. I've been in ten years and that was a big decision. I'd gotten to the point of the end of twenty nine teen way. Juggling barth anymore just wasn't working. I was starting to take on breath. Wet clients only helping you know one half day a week and during breakfast called once a month and was trying to juggle barth doing much taking on coaching clients. Doing them off two hours arm. Show anyone who's had the side hustle fulltime job juggle they ni- balanced by united. Gotten to the point where it just was not working anymore and you know i just felt like i was dropping the ball everywhere and i realized that i have to take that scary late and and fly the nest. Sorry i quit my job. I had like a long period and went fulltime in my business straight into carpet. The irony of waiting for the perfect time for years just like juggling barth online putting myself in ben out basically to like wait for the perfect time and then went straight into carpet so that was an absolute baptism by fire. And you know. I shed on my instagram. A couple of days ago about that time as well. I think because i was internalizing slamet stress around that that journey and what that was going to really look like and heading into that uncertainty Had a really really bad outbreak of payroll demo titus which basically covid all around my mouth in this kind of like angry bead rash and then under one is well. I was not only navigating. This completely new phase of my life. But i was also navigating what was kind of this turmoil for me like happening on my face and still having to show up and still having to run programs in do breakfast clubs in a heist my course and of these things With this really atwood symptom of everything that i was teaching so it was a really big out initiation for me. Not only into the world entrepreneurship but will say into myself. And really this whole new level of self trust and self belief and the first three months would definitely quite challenging report that those aspects but you know after i kind of you know i caught up in like if you've ever seen that It's like a main but it's a video of this kid like what reacting looks like and it's this little kid hanging onto a roy. He's like screaming in the wardha and then his mom just pushes his legs down and he can stand. I was like that's actually. What my first. Three months of entrepreneurship as holding onto the road screaming and then being like oh actually fine off about everything started to relate. You know you pick up. Snow bowl is of things From the inner really diving even further into the brathwaite pot of my janney. You're taking so Beautiful women three United seven step process. That i have you know in the breath taking more coaching clients and also then through old last year. You know what. I was really looking for was more permission to be myself nine. That's what we're going to talk about today. But you know a lot of what. I started to realize particularly when When you kind of doing it and you have an income revenue on the side. It's such a different mindset to be in than when everything is your responsibility. And i started to really was was viewing business a lot differently during my business differently and what i really started to bought up against in the first six. You know the first three months. I was obviously that child. On the right. After that after i started implementing a lot of A high discourage she started doing all these things and a lot of the systems that i was being told that i needed to implement it to have success. Just did not sit right with me. And i feel like i had done so many great program. Seventy business courses simony things where i'd gotten to the end of it and just thought why am i always the exception to the rule these things. Why do i never feel like this. Is this not working for me. Like why do i always want to rebel against like everything. Like none of it. Just feels like fully mattress tomato waste. Feels like i'm like putting myself in a box. That doesn't belong in an sorry in this sort of discovery of myself to figure out why that was. I came across human design and i had a human design rating for myself and it was. I've never felt more seen in my whole life of just really like being like. Oh my god like this is why why. Some felt like the exception to the rule. Because i'm not here for the rules. And none of us are all heated. Create our so. That was such a big commission pace in such a turning point for me i started to play with myron. Human design experiment across the end of last year and then at the end of last year. I decided i'd put the signs off. Sorry long like all year. I was like nari coast. And don't do it. You've already stymie different modalities undervalued donate anything else. But i just kept ignoring signs kept during signs and then i was like Ozzy coaching program at the end of last year. And you know. I was asked. What are you pretending not to care about. And how psycho. She ate human design. Sorry i really just accelerated and completely went into a deep dive. I took like a month off on instagram vice things at the end of last year to really dive fully had deep into the human design. Study and launch that element at the start of this year as well and since then it's a real Waving off the coaching the human design and the breath work together to really support comes back into a space of self trust for themselves and really aren't as purveyor inherent worth and ready to empower their. Aren't individuality in that process. As well love it. Love it. And i think so many can summon people can feel that way when they say others succeeding at things. There is so many different ways to do right and i think that it can be so confusing and overwhelming to figure out like what am i supposed to do. What's going to work. wealth remained. What and it can be really really Challenging to look within inigo commitment. Why isn't it and sometimes like the moi's believe that universal ways you know rejects Things off is not the right path. Right and i think i love that you've discovered that flee self and understood that you know you can do things. I'm way it's really wet for you. And even if it doesn't it solely finds and that's the thing right was hesitant at the start of my janning to really experiment with the things that worked for me is because i had so many people who were feather heading my johnny being latin undenied. This is why you should be doing an i was sort of buffet back and getting so many conflicting opinions back of what i should be doing. And what works. This is the method and this is what we should be doing You know. I didn't have enough trust and hadn't built the proof yet. That like a case a did exact opposite to what everyone else is telling me today. That has the success that i want him business. How would that look if i'm you know. Even though i wasn't let new too. But i was new to unite full-time entrepreneurship. It's like why would i do things. My way flack when everyone else is telling me something different so it was a huge initiation into self trust and also justice my of well. If i'm doing something that doesn't feel good to me anyway. Then why the hell am. I even bothering doing mind business. Obviously we into entrepreneurship because we want something. That's fulfiling for us and we wanna feel good doing it. So why would i go against that. In like feel like i'm swimming upstream every single day to do what everyone else is the whitest excess when i could just jump in my orange slipstream of magnificence and just flight downstream and everything becomes smooth effortless. And i want to ask. Because like i can imagine someone listening to that and going yeah. It's open wealthy. Decided that air. Sorry much fear at touch. Because it's like you just said as evidence. I've had a peru that has worked with them. Why couldn't let me even though it the awry so like is there a way that you explain the difference between riot. That's actually like the indicated that this is actually just a little bit of seattle. because it's something new. I've never done it before display. And i need to get more confident night compared to it's not right for me. Yeah so actually. The easiest way i feel like to explain this actually fades into what is on. What's called the not self inhuman design and basically all of the energy types and we're going to dive into this little bit deep about all of the energy have basically what's code not self and it's like the shadow emotional aspect of the not self and for me as a manifest mine is angola and i was like getting increasingly angry as the year went on. I was like building this incredible frustration. My body like. I remember being on a on a coal. I can group coaching colin. I was just like getting angry. I'm like this is this is fox. Like i don't wanna do this. Like i'm sorry pieced like why. Am i doing this this way. And i think you know. The other entity type says frustration this bitterness and disappointment and i feel like if your feeling that in your body like that is like ashore as hell sign for you that that is. It's not right for you. And like i think that fear is sort of like. Oh i wanna do it this way. Bot ooh what if it doesn't work that kind of like in a dialogue where you kinda wanna do something. But there's a little bit of resistance there because y'all logical mind is trying to argue ride. What your body is really telling you. What your emotions and really telling you and this is much body wisdom. I think lacking we have so much on inner intelligence in our body that china god is in the right direction it's really that logical rationalizing thing that's like trying to tell you on a night but you know that five sip system is what you should follow and this like a proven method of success is what you should do just like the patient. Is that sort of in a dialogue. That's tool can you away from your body's telling me so i think like fish loyal your body's wisdom in your emotional intelligence is probably the biggest k. To that yeah as i totally great. And i think that we've been trained condition sinatra our bodies and yet for me like my jimmy shore. I've always been in my head and getting into my body and actually trusting and building data soft belief in the internal knowing has been an absolute gains needed for breast. Wack has definitely you have to still tighted that shift shore. So i wanna explore this a little bit for this. I want to talk about. Breath works to begin with plus. Get out of a heads back into buddies. Living gets a really beautiful modality to do that. And i think we should definitely dive into that design. You go with that s yet. And i think so. Talk us through reversely like i. I see whether i say greg is literally quieting mine down to the point where it's not interrupting anything and you're literally allowing your body to share with you. What needs to share with you. It's an absolute i. I just can't even explain what breath work is just phenomenal for being able to release any emotions ever to let go of any old form as to be able to really allow us to truly missing with what's going in with your body so yup of those who people listening to never had a breath before can you give us. The deputation gives us to work breath. Quickies and i need to sign that. I feel like i get so many people say that coming to breath like is like having like six therapy sessions in one guard because when not now logical mind. We're not trying to rationalize process or you know we don't even have to you. Know find the right experience and all of the other things which can be really powerful in terms of the mindset stock as well but you know as you know. They saw much that still alive. You know body no matter how much of the mental in a work we do and you know breath is really a conscious connected breathing technique That supports you to come into a state where you essentially like exactly what you said. Drop out of the head and are in the body and the mind quietens. Down in the body has an experience to actually create an opening in the body for stagnant energy and emotion. To come through i guess the visual representation of that would be imagine like a balloon expanding out in your body. That's going to allow all of the the tension the dress the trauma like all of the things that of trapped in the body that we suppress to to come out also breath work. One of the biggest things is that it regulates the nervous system as well so we have abandoned resiliency non nervous system the same as what my in developing on euro pathways and coal beliefs from zero to seven developing out. Never system out belt of resilience there as well said anything that happens within that band of resilience With just is fine if like that sort of something. That's been normal coping mechanisms for anything that happens. Outside of that body can store and when we're in prolonged periods of being outside of disbanded resilience. That's only stop noticing those symptoms of hyperactivity so uniting zayed's stress site constantly needing to be busy like sitting on the cat from being like. Oh i should sweep that thing. I've always needing to be moving on the guard In that kind of more firefly energy oh we can go into more decisively. Aided sort of fatigue low energy will must depression can go into they. Sort of stuck off symptoms of the more phrase in a pays as well so the more that we spend outside of that band resilience and we are in such a reactive. High-pressure society say we not only. I guess it always pushed to the nervous system anyway. But we've kind of got like a backlog of experiences in our body that holds us hostage by city anyway so many of us are experiencing this kind of reactivity in ally because when not allowing a all of those experiences that you've got bogged down in your body from your entire life but also All of the your emotions that we don't take time to process dilate the energy that we're not shipping daily because by size stagnant and pushing everything down anyway so when clearing out the backlog but then we're also in constant experiences where we are in a state of reactivity and unite. How nervous system is still very much geared towards a laugh. it doesn't even exist anymore. And you know we take on the same amount of why we take. Sorry more information now. Daily than people in shakespearean time took on in their entire life so we elect just call instantly bombaded with things that are coming into our world and breath. What gives you the opportunity to clear some of that out so that you kind of come back into a more resource state and you know i had a woman who came in you know even last week And she was suffering from you know. Incredible amounts of excellence in cyberthreat session. Which was i could i. She has an experienced any symptons anxiety at all and sometimes it's just about shifting that energy in the body to be comeback into a space of like out true night drought. True resourced grounded energy So that we can not only play the experiences of the past but actually come into a sense of sale sounds of self that can actually allow us to take steps forward in a more powerful way to room absolutely and it's literally like coming back to yourself like coming back to this knowing of like high art and just be this person we constantly triggered letting in other way to explain it i guess with bay to like every like experience. Memory we've been during. The past has an emotion trigger in the body unless we process in the martian at the time. Right so it's like we have a new situation that might happen and the natural is pasta experiences unless we you know. Release that back wall. And so it's very freeing very liberating very Richly like a lighters one otherwise she describe from my experience with things which they like releasing and letting go of any heaviness white and it just lazy thinning so much lashof and a clean slate with which created a clean sites. They were the workforce than just natcher's and night like the u When we first out very fest breath wake session because obviously you know your the master mindset and like you said you had been so in your head up until that point you you started to lean into the more body tools and i remember like the first thing east off. The session was like oh man. I thought i dealt with that. Because it was something that you had done. So much in a work with intend of the mindset and like the impact of the head in your mindset but not where it was still alive in the body and like docs such a key thing. I think for us to recognize that we can do so much work on the mindset. That experience is still alive somewhere in the body if we haven't actually shifted infamy like all of my mice. Profound breakthroughs have come through some sort of semantic release exercise. Because like i said like this sorry much of the way that we are moving through the world that is really as a result of what is alive in albany in for me like so much happen. Like my posture changed my ability to speak more confidently and clearly china. Got so much more. Certain of who i was my purpose You know i remember like i think. After done my first training. I saw someone had seen in ages and now like all. Your stutter is gone. I'm like i had a stutter. But it's like that like that kind of nervous waving kind of energy in my voice Was a result of so much of that that that energy that was in my body that nervous hyperactivity energy that was still like so trapped in my body from so many years of kind of like being on edge in my nervous system. Sorry to be out to release some of that energy like you said exactly what coming coming harm to yourself like coming into this space of more assuredness in yourself as well. I think sometimes people don't you know if they do know a little bit about birth. I think things sometimes. The reason they dine conversation is because like. They're worried about what they might have to face. So when you hear about that. Like oh god like to release experiences or martians. What second look like. What's it gonna be like in. Its own my slack worried that is going to be like a traumatic experience about you know i feel like it is exactly like what you said like everyone comes out of it feeling so lot in grounded and free and you are in such a saif beautiful like held nourishing spice and i think it also just gives you permission to experience A deeper connection to the martians as well. And just like allow yourself to price and sometimes people don't price any emotions at all. So i think like there is not like this is what a breath who accession looks like. I go asset question. The what can i expect from birth lake session on at night. Is i literally different for every single present every single dime But i think it's not a traumatic experience when you have somebody who's holding me as well really to it from that experience it's normal to feel nervous but there's nothing to actually fear from from the experience and is only reward on the other side absolutely totally agree and there's lots of different forms of breath whack and i think a lot of people can get confused with the topic breath that you do. So would you mind sharing the differences in the different types of brickwork in the walls that you yeah. So there's so many different types of breath work and i would say the main distinguishing difference between breath at its purest form and breathing techniques is it is quite quite a difference and i think people think i've done yoga breathing. Done box braiding. I've done this thing on youtube. That is definitely what i would say like breathing techniques if we were going to distinguish the terry And one i would say is more a like a maintenance or beauty box breathing or in some deep breathing nasal breathing or something like that in the morning with your meditation Yoga breathing divisive things. That i feel like is more of a you know. A grounding might be really good just for like a quick interrupt stress To just like anki paquin lacking to calm yourself down by things like it's very. I think just like a quick like resettle like a second break Into something that's a little bit light grounding and nar shing not moment facility black oh my self care self nourishment self prioritization Whereas breath walk is really body experience. Janney like it's not anything that is like you know it's you breathing continually for forty five minutes in the version that i So you really do go deep into yourself And like you said your mind is quiet. So it's not like you're having this like intense internal dialog. Ooh trying to make sense of anything or you getting to the rate of anything. You just literally having an experience with your body where you are know. Potentially shifting emotion shifting energy a little bit of movement involved as well Bought it is very much like an ina body experiencing our al Tighter breath in your some people take plant medicine. And have like an atta an out of body jenny This is an inner body. Janney ceo breath does put you into like all my second would state but not like way out of control a. You're not conscious of your thoughts but it is more of a very deeply grounded state where you're having an experience and a jenny a process and to me like i found that also challenging in the way that my mind wanted to take over what i wanted to take control happening. Logic fighted my brand. And i was like. What's the process left in a half an hour. All the tonight you send and just even like the first experience was like austin's always like konin lying. What does that meant. Yeah exactly. It's very like unexplainable faithful. I wish that i could just record a montage of everyone's face whereas after referee Maybe the best thing ever to what everyone's just like. Wow what was that like. when can i come back. What just happened. Like i related a couple of weeks ago. She said i didn't even know how to communicate to you after that experience like she just like. But everyone's just like an old. Like i had one lady couple of weeks ago. He said that it was the closest thing. She felt she'd had to astral travel because she'd just go inside deeply within his but yeah it's just like anything exciting way. A lot of people come in all should set an intention. United sites that logical. Mind trying to take. I'm going to have this experience. I'm going to clear the i presume this to happen. And i'm sitting the intention to this inside. Your body will tell you what it's like burger before as well where unlike all. I don't know what i want to work on in this session. And you'll i know i'm like that's not how it works. Your body will tell you what it needs to work on and like how amazing is at the end. You're like holy shit. Like i would never have picked that up. That's exactly what's happening right now. In my land your life my most recent experience like and awareness of the disconnection between the masculine and feminine energy in my body. And there's still so where we should be even talk about the constant might be like. Wow i've never had presented audience. It's like this it was. I can literally an internal knowing. I didn't have specific education around. I have a specific like. Oh yes no different. This is definitely the is like it was literally a deep knowing like i felt completely disconnected. That was the maximum engine disconnected with love disconnection nightjar disconnects from my inner self and. It was literally on her coming together. It was his deeper connection. That was just phenomenal. like it's not had so many different forms of experiences public eight nine that wrong. Ten or more reckon soleil. Yeah so. it's a different experience every time depending on what it is that needed to be shifted like you said every time that is coming an intention means engines is like gone right out the window and then the fascinating pop of me on the other side of that is like i love at the end like you know because i was drawn to work on luck. You'll left side. And like that's where i was sensing. So much of latin. Attentional the stiffness in a really loosening monop- and allowing that integrated the end. I would say like oh if they seem to be lacking disconnected. The massacre like well. That's exactly what happened like it. So interesting for me because i feel like what i observed from the physical body and energetics kind of what's happening in the session is almost one hundred percent mirrored by that person at the end like. It's sorry wild net. Is jenny together. Yeah sorry for anybody. Who's listening that thinks that might be might be sedans. Do you have any indication of anything breakfasts forelock. I think everybody needs breath. Books that easily was set up. You know and things that they might be experiencing that you think would be the best speech the so this. I think where you can become from like nadim want you know. I think that like you don't necessarily need to be hopping crosses or in breakdown to need a breath. I had a client last year. Come and she's like. Oh i'm kind of in a good space so i don't really know what i'm doing it today like and i'm like perfect like who cares like you need to be in a space way. You feel like you have symptoms to nato breath wreck session you know you can either come from space way like yes. You might be displaying symptoms like i said at the hyperactivity so you're experiencing anxiety you're experiencing restlessness you will experiencing really busy mind Consett steel of sort of like symptoms of hyperactivity you constantly on the fine. Like if you check your screen time if you check your screen time and pickups of your fine if it's Over a couple of hours a day you probably need a breath accession because that is like. It's that re activity in a different way reaching our fine constantly in the psych like unconscious reactive nece and it's like a wide channel that reactive. So if you'll you know constantly like reaching devices or reaching the food or reaching for like whatever that is to kind of black dahl that anxiousness down on that restlessness down. I think that's definitely a sign that you could definitely need a breath wet. Sessional that you'd find supportive Will again in is more fatigue sites. Like if you're in a space where you know there is low energy or there is depression or you know even ptsd breath brunswick is beautiful war as well so anything that you have experienced You know where you are experiencing Even dissociation anonymous as well. That's really beautiful way to get back in connected If you'll really conscious that there has been experiences of the of your past that has made an impact on u Might be unexpressed. Unlike not dealt with within the body as well like if you're consciously away even if you're unconscious where i've had people come in and say i think something happened. I'm not really sure. And they don't have a conscious memory of it but they know that there's something there that they need to to clear a work on Basically again like you said all of us like literally. Every single person on the planet has drummer. It might not be in the the way that we defined for molecular went out mind. He is that it's like you know we think of car accidents and your think that a really traumatic but you know like i said at trimmers richly any experience where you'll never system was outside. Its capacity to car. That's bright kat. That's an old stuffing mail that should into one passed and know that's is so many different things happen every single day that that nervous system is is pushed to the brink even just last year like all of us through this pandemic that has been sorry much. Drying put on us inside many different ways But aside from that. I guess just from a space of desire like do you desire to be more connected to your body. Do you desire to be more than your emotional expressions. Do you have. You realized that you've reached a upper limit of some kind. And you laugh and you're ready to break through that and expand into a new reality. I think it's i it can come from a spice of life. Even if you're in a great space of just being like will not let see what else there is a where else i can expand to within myself and like unites like you know exactly like you would hire a mindset car south coach like anything where you're doing something from the mindset aspect as well it's like that space clearing out things that you might not even be aware of is going to support you to break through to a next level so it can compromise spice i think of need and desire. Yeah absolutely that's lava and talked about increase in vessels online so impacted is a little bit more of a deeper experience. Because there's the physical touch aspect to say Basically the way idea my breath mc sessions is we have what we call general sessions. So that's kind of like an all night session and that's what we do. We fest come together regardless of online or in person. So that's just looking at the whole body and we're just moving with the body whatever needs to be released I'm doing physical touching pressure points to support you to ship at energy all over the body wherever it's needed and then from there We work three if you come on board and one guy through the whole process the seven bouts of tension in the body. So we've got the is the jaw the throat on what's called the therapeutic value that hotz into the shoulders kind of like old kind of above the hot to the nick And then we have the die fanatic belt on the nape that the domino belt and the pelvic belt so i combine those together in five different areas and t up the The in the throat the die from attic and abdominal together as one session An inlay sessions. They're only available in person. And that's because of the physical touch aspects and they're almost little mini workshops so we do kind of activation before we go into the sessions activate that belt. I'm the kind of the energy and the farc into that area. And then i spend the majority of the time in that session working on releasing the microphone in any of the kind of Physical tension aspects of that boat to kind of help. You diem that space And we do specific sessions. That are a little bit different. To the general sessions that far guessing on that area to allow you to shift the energy and emotions of the story in that space because each area action stores different emotional expression So we work through kind of light releasing any blockages in that spicer. Even for example with the is a the light suspicion detachment guarding So even moving through and releasing some of potential in that space allows us to not only open up a little bit more about peripheral vision but also allows us to drop some of that natural guarding that we just walks relaxed shielding people out. So there's so much that you can go through the body as well. So that's kind of the difference with the impression is physical touch aspect and i also get uta in traits which you'll have to get right if your heart set like a little bit more of that experience But online we only do the general sessions And basically the differences in person. Because i've got the physical touch aspect a lot of these nonverbal. Like it's very rare that i'll speak in a session because it pulls you into your head But in the online versions. I'll give you guided verbal prompts. And then instead of the physical touch aspects you might do self physical touchdown might say you know. I i just give you arms a little massage. Give the show their shoulders arroyo You know i'd give the store little little message. All kind of give you guided prompts in that way To support yourself to shift that ngos well and you've had an online session as well. Sorry this still really partial. But it's just that there's nari of that physical touch aspect tra may so we're guiding you to be able to shift that energy self. Yes show i think is someone that really struggles to get out of your head than i definitely suggest. Investing that he's a little for sure Obviously on autism own mentioned that. It's brisbane-based is we honestly offered in the Says oh nation that just in case anyone's seeing that's state was love to have that way that she you know Varying prison okay. We'll send sar. Shall we say how am experiencing breath. Work has helped you just page. Your level of mission has been a janney with press work out before we even dive into human design has been a journey of record. That has helped you slowly. Give yourself permission to show up in a different way. Yeah absolutely and like. I touched on before. I think there was so much that i was holding in my body. My biggest limiting belief like up until the point that i found coaching. And you know. This stepped into coaching was The belief that i wasn't good enough. And i think even though again exact like you. I've done like a little bit of semantics and i'd done a lot of work on the mindset around that was already taken the action to prove that belief wrong and i let say much at that guard bought what i hadn't let go of was The resentment and anger in frustration in my body All of why ahead that belief and who that was directed at and for me multiple of my first few janis was really relaxing of that. Build up of resentment of why i had that belief and not only in doing that was i to clean up. Belief and Remove all up. The charge emotional charter had around that belief But i will say then ibew to Release any of the resentment that i had towards the person that i felt was at fault for that belief and as a result relationship isn't completely homogeneous. Now i don't hold any of that resentment at like at all towards anything to do with much altered. My upbringing. united. Anything to do with that. So i just feel like that was such a huge Huge for me But also i think dot edu give me the permission to just like i said like oh so much more of a assuredness in my body because a lot of that nervous energy behind not being good enough the emotional charge behind not being good enough in the experiences that held hostage to that belief was free of free out of my body like i said my pasta change. I wasn't hunched over and kind of that shy awkward energy of light being. You know trying to shoot myself. I wasn't trying to shoot myself from anything or pin like standing more pathway. S- be able to speak and communicate pathway because they wasn't that quivering my voice. There was shaikh in my voice But i think also if you remember like when we had spotted allah. What you do jenny together. After i came back from my first breath weight training that was what gave me the commission to let that guy. Because i realized that that wasn't for me announced being guarded into a different spice of More energetic that gave me permission. I think to follow more. I guess of like my insured if gifts and my energetic gifts as well and Step into that arena more and i think just like morbid deep trust with my iron body and what i needed and more of just a trust in my path in general as well because like i said like those being somatic breakthroughs like no other and i think that you just guide me more of deep sense of like wanting to support people and the i knew that that was part of my contribution and interestingly enough in human design like an element where you can kind of look at your Cognitive gifts in minus touch. Like it's quite interesting because like literally talks about like healing with your hands and things like that moments like will they guard. you know. I think that was just like a pot of my journey that i needed permission to step into as well and that certainly Doing breath we gave me as well with the deepest sense of trust within myself. Yeah wow olsen olsen. Sanal is light a little bit further into human design so before we even just like what human design is. I'd like to nar. What was the pace like on a little bit about how it impacted Business but was there any other keep pace. That was like yet. This gives me the mission just to be made. Yeah i think really. The first thing that gave me permission to be made was just my energy type. Like that align with groundbreaking and i think we'll talk a little bit about human design and energy talks about for me like my energy. Type is a manifest. So i'm literally. He had to initiate and catalyze change and new realities and informed like that informing energy. And i think much of the way that i was doing business with you. Know in nonverbal way asking permission and that is like actually completely out of energetic correctness manifesta and it just gave me permission to say that. The way that i wanted to do things was actually right and all of things like i'm saying like why things went well because i was trying to follow a system that was already created rather than build a dude on myself which is exactly what i'm here today And i think that even just hearing So much of like you know how they explain Really just like you know he. It's a lack of laid laid laid. There are and kind of initiate daring thing. And all those things and i was like. Aw like so much even like. I'm sure we'll talk about this but even just how. I would always ask the people's faith backs all you know. Even on like a comment box on instagram. Like what are you going to hear from me. Like all these things like. I was constantly seeking permission in my life. Like am i doing the right thing. What do you think i should do. What am i doing wrong. What else could i include in my price. What he like. It was just like always asking for permission. And since i've stopped asking Commission income into this more like informing energy. Which is my strategy like. I've think i've literally like almost tripled like my revenue just from that align. So i feel like that has been sought to big game changer for me and i think one of the biggest things that have come out of all my human design ratings on. I think i've literally in every single rating is allow case. There's not actually anything wrong with me. That's actually just right for me. And i feel like that just sums up what human designing off from human design. And it's like okay. Wow like there's not actually anything wrong with me. I'm not just the random black sheep and the exception to the rule. But nothing's ever gonna work for me. I'm here to make marin rules. And like when i just jump in the slipstream of the way that works may like everything just flies and i was constantly swimming up someone else's stream and trying to make it work and what human design is giving me the permission to just get in my strain and just sitting one of those cool little white ring flood things and just flight down the stream of the bloody cocktail in my hand. That's given me so much more as in my life and business. Yeah love it awesome. Okay so tell us. As general view of what designs so basically human design is a mazda system that was created by a guy called raw roots and it blends together the itching astrology. The cabala He shocker System and quantum physics. So it's basically calculated on your birth time date and your place to reveal your genetic energetic design and basically what your soul intended for you in this lifetime know. What exactly is that. You know people talk about soul blueprint. This is legitimately. You'll saw blueprints of your natural gifts. Strengths higher heated make decisions. What archetypes you heat apply in his lifetime like clues to your purpose the type of energies that you have stored in your body like how you hit a magazines richly. Everything is in. This system is virtually probably nothing that you'd wanna know about yourself the Cover three human design awesome awesome. Tell us the five g tots. So i i. I like the manifestos which is what. I am the generators which is what you are There's the manifesting generators which is a hybrid of the two than is the project is and the reflectors and to kind of give you a little bit of an understanding of like how we kind of all worked together because they are nar superior energy types where all literally. If you're thinking about a moving car right you wouldn't make seven billion doors like you would make a pace of h. Part of the cost of where all the way that i see it. He had to fused together woman in beautiful energetic correctness and not actually trying to be another energy type where all head to fit together so that we can move the collective fullwood and you know if you're thinking about basically the energy tops that they would have gone a road trip. You know manifest dude. Probably be the one that was like okay like we're gonna go aboard getting the car we're going here and then the generators would respond to me like. Oh that sounds really exciting. I've had some really good things about this place. This is what. I think we should do on the other end. It's gonna be really fun. Like oh my god like a case. I think we should just get there as soon as possible so we can do it. And just like the mice fun and then the manifesting generator would be like Well yeah but like. Let's say the sandy grade like he says let's get a little bit lost housing like other experiences on the way there it's going to be started on. Let's change direction. Because and then the project they would probably be in the backstage already map like looking out like where they traffic breakdowns looking at like a business and likewise that they could affect correct and improve the direction of the truth and how we would get safely and then basically at the end of the journey the reflector would be the one that would be like. Oh that was actually really fun like and we made it there on budget and you know i feel like you know this is like what we could maybe improve next time and this is where i feel like we worked really effectively so that would let reflect the whole journey back to us and we could really tell. The health of the road trip by what damage was lax. Say if the reflecting off we would know that the rotary ship. They're really simple. It's us to see and ray aspect of what had gone down. We're all here to work in our aren't energetic correctness and then worked together. That's going to support the harmonisation of the planet but the problem is is that we've all been conditioned side. Deeply away from outline energetic correctness is as a manifesto i. My deepest conditioning has been to operate like a generator. Because generators manifest in generes. Make up the biggest portion of the population so they really set society and a lot of that kind of like hasso grind Always working kind of energy comes from the fact that you guys out of all of any types have the most ability to do that. Whereas as a manifest i work in surges and rests my rest periods of beating myself up and trying to push myself through and shall up and be consistent. All of these sort of things and i was walking through my rest periods and diminishing the ability to really have a creative such. And i'm really here to have these big explosive surges when i mean asserted like unstoppable energy could probably work like sixteen hour days for like two weeks and then i might have a month throughout just like what about like. Waiting for the next creativity burst counterstrike and push me into that big expensive action again and also as a manifested like being told nar slide down like be quiet like all of the things that know conditioned to be a good little gal to not break. The rules like duality so things. Which isn't actually what i should have been doing. I should have been being encouraged to be big loud expressive light. Take action do my thing. But we're constantly shoved into a box manifested. Then get this complex. It's like well actually. I'm too much. And i should bend myself to make sure that i might doesn't make anyone uncomfortable. And then that's when people pleasing behavior can come through so many different ways each of us out different energy tots can be conditioned out of bound magnificence. Sorry what human design. I think i is. It's the awareness of the truth. Like how you came into this world that you kind of yellow soul blueprint and then society grabbed. Threw it out the window and gave you the stock standard copy. So it's about now throwing out the extended copy and then coming back into the slipstream of what your energy is naturally heated doing higher to engage with the world Walsum right so let's break down the slide energy types and they main like indicators riots it was like how would you know that your a stuff so the only way you would not sure is if you actually looked it up on the website. Because it's not. I guess like finality test. Say so. they might be things that you here and you might resonate with. They might be other aspects of your child that are indicating that that is why as well so it's not as cut and dried like fall. Yeah that's totally made. You definitely need to look up. And i'll give you the lengthy you can put in the shots. You can look at yourself. You chop probably will make no sense and look like anita science to great a rate but you can definitely find out your energy time so the biggest defining i guess thing about manifest said Where he to initiate catalyze and ash strategy is to inform. so we're basically to We have a closed in repelling aura. And the reason why not to keep people out it so that we can literally push any resistance out of l. y. So that we can and the shiite mccartney realities and we basically made to inset essentially inform so that we can allow people the option to get on board. Get out of the way. That's why i've strategies to inform so this climbing repelling aura to kind of move things out of the way so that we can initiate and catalyze. Al signet emotion his pace. And we'll feel paceman. We're able to do anything and just very without resistance in la. We'll feel anga when we feel like being slide down people telling us today something that we don't wanna jay telling us what we're doing is wrong that we should slow down. We should change our mind. She take into consideration into that. All those are these any resistance that we made we can experience and so that's kind of like the manufacturing and not show the generate. I n manifesting generated technically fall under the same category of a generator but the constitution differences between the two of you guys have the same signature Which is kind of like you're aligned self Which is satisfaction. And you're not selfish. Frustrations e bike share that in common. And what sets you guys apart from the rest of us. Is you have a defined cycle and the cycle is basically like the engine and the cost. You've got consistent reliable access to that energy to see something through to the end. And as a general like one of your biggest guests. I think actually of the biggest misconceptions around generator is that you guys are the work of based on that that he and sometimes people get despondent when they hit their generator. And that's not true. Just loves like blast that miss out of the water straight up generate his arm ignificant. We absolutely need you guys. Because like the me like i with an audit define sago and because i'm here but where concerned i literally like i couldn't do would line. I need you know the beautiful generators to support me In nice periods of rest as well and generators i think Magnificent leaders because not only can you guys say point bay from where point is in that clear visionary capacity to see that end result. But you've also got the energy to get yourself there and you can also methodically figure out the steps that are gonna tikey there as well. So generate is incredible. Late is in god's image. Why because they can see the end result and will say have the energy to see something all the way through. I do not have the energy to say something by three sometimes is i. I think generators really ought to yep woke us three that process and have that energy. And you guys haven't or pin and enveloping ponente inviting aura and one of the things about the generator and manifesting generator. Is that when you guys are doing things that surprise delight and excite you and you're in a space of joy that cycle energy basically turns into a magnet. So if you just imagine it like spinning and the more and more and more like the things that you're doing that enjoy and light you up like you literally become a magnet and you're gonna like suck all of those beautiful opportunities and everything towards the when you're in a space of joy so generators are really heated a fully that joy and not really being in service to the other. I being serviced yourself fast. Because when you're in a space of a full cup in a space of joy and pleasure and found in surprised delight then you'll naturally as a byproduct going to support the rest of us. Because we're going to see in your joy we're going to experience. The byproduct of that joy and those experiences are going to monetize t the difference with the manifesting generate. Eat that day. I think have more of i guess would call it a hummingbird energy so like i said like the ones who wanna take the scenic route they gonna like be a little bit more in a space of like yes can tidally have the energy to get point but might wanna take a d. Two white one black change their mind. They've very innovative Very much about that cross. Pollination you know one of the things that the manifesting generators is they might feel like they china mind too much and people alike. We keep changing your mind. Why do you want to do that. Now you've done that for two years. Like why do you wanna be already. And that's actually energetically correct for manifesting generated by are actually he to innovate and be in spices that excite and allow them to innovate as well. So there is going to be a little bit more like flex and changing pivoting for manifesting generate and. That's perfect the type of people that probably can multitask will have multiple tabs open and not feel really good for them. They might feel really boxed in when they just have to stay and fight because i'm wanting badges so more about kind of like humming bed energy but again that are repetitive And with both your incredible at gathering tame and community and building collaborations because people are naturally magnetized to you and you have the ability to support and called them in that. Beautiful awesome awesome. So good our experience being a generator. Literally that like when i am following my joy and i feel it up by something then everything yeah absolutely gets magnified to make this shore up and i find that especially when it comes like the energy pace like i can fully through and i've always been someone that's really good at finishing things like a an obsession like a hotly things open. I have to be closed. And the last day said the project Basically he has. These incredible deep guides leaders like so many countries on our project is because i have a really date and penetrating or and the ability to say not. I lean to the other. But just didn't say our world realities as a whole and they have a very beautiful night gift to perfect and correct the energies around them and guide the energies around them. And i feel like. I can almost tell a projector now because they have such a deep penetrating gaze and presence like the you can never not feel seen from a projector like they lead. Chilly see day play And you know they're really hit two to guide us and united to really be able to see so deeply into the other really support us in that way They not self ease. Bitterness and then Signature is success. So they're very driven by success. Trip for them is to Be sorry lost amount achievement by spikes that they lose sight of that play and fun because they also simulator manifested in a little bit. Different way they don't have a defined psycho sorry as a project up because they also focused and so Giving so much energy at they also like you know have also on the flip side absorb the people's energy as well as understanding with he became the other ends and also really being able to support them to have a lot of arrest and nourishment as well the not to work to nowadays three and four hours. That probably get more than all of us. Say how many short best work as well And really being mindful of where they're giving energy outward to the And their strategy is to wait for the imitation and so much i could say on that but another podcast but Basically the crux of that is because they have this really deep and penetrating words almost like a spotlight so they need his permission to shine that spotlight. I'd be like when you may be having launched with the girlfriend new like she's like. What do i do about my boyfriend. Well he's really crap. Like i can really say that he's not guilty. And if that president ready to hear that that's going to feel like an assault so it's like not projected because they can literally see like there's probably seventy projects that allow neither is sorta if you just let me share that you as that kind of energy. That needs permission. Said a white for that invitation But this is much more. I could say about that. I love debunking news. I could go on a tangent about that And then the reflected so the reflective The the defining with the reflector is actually have no defined energy centers in that shot so there is completely what they completely open and that is really beautiful gift. I think because. I are really heated too. If you think about that it would be like the natural Tribal times. I would be. Let the head of the tribe that they could really like monitor. The health of what was going on around them like we can really determine the health arou- society by the health of our reflected on our environment because they have the ability to really reflect back asset like we can see ourselves in them. We're constantly being reflected back to ourselves almost like a miracle like there'll be moments with allies bouncing and then it's absorbing and there's like so much of that energy way they are really Let reflecting back the environment and their signature by is surprise and then not selfish disappointment and they really here to be in this really beautiful that got a sampling orifice. They really just here to like sample and bay. In the psych constance diet surprise and delight for themselves as well. So there's so much of the way that we all work together that so important But we can only be ourselves that reflected conditioned to be like everyone else and they're so unique they're only one percent of the population in project is again similar to manifest is conditioned to and going to burn out and bitterness. So this is much of the way that way really Again for project is also conditioned to manifest is to go and the same agendas to go after it to go and get it to make it happen to initiate and you know as projected with the white video mutation and the generators. You guys a hitter respond. Sorry we need to be able to understand these aspects of ourselves so that we can actually give ourselves permission to live in accordance drainage strategy so that we can stop trying to be like everyone else and just do what wax ask because none of it's good bad right wrong. What is correct. Yeah absolutely totally agree. I think it's okay that we come back to that level of mission to do things the way that we wanna do it and not have to be constantly looking at vessels that filtration approval constantly vessels to the answers right. Because we already know. Seen what we need to take to went to trust that the show so zealous about the consistency inconsistency in reconstitute business down in the engine tops. But my god. Simon i feel like this is like i never understood why the were like why this idea showing up used to trigger me so i'm be so angry. I'm like legit. You might not sell fucking stop telling me to shut system bam like i hate it and let now understanding as well this a lot. I think you know if we just start at the the energy types you know some energy taught going to be more conditioned towards consistency manifest. Is i guess. If we're going in surges arrests in rest periods went up. Probably gonna want to shop online. So there's like already like the energetics behind the energy types that is going to dictate whether we are more consistent will inconsistent And a generator might be compared to a manifesto more consistent in terms of that energy of like having that energy to shop every single day like online if you wanted to if it was debbie joy. Then you'd be able to go and go on with that whereas project is would be able to probably show up in short focus best every day but like they might not be able to create an story that guys all day or they might not even one might have other areas that they wanna focus their deep and penetrating or on and if it doesn't surprise it alight the reflected light maybe later. We'll just rope either. They might need to take time. I someone who is open and need so much date align time replenishment like giving the energy out with all the time or being immersed in an environment because social media is still an environment that maybe isn't nourishing them. They might need to take time to step away from that to to understanding that the energy types initially probably have more Depending on how energy works whether you are working in best arrests or whether you're quite consistent level energy or whether you've got more of a sampling energy if your energies more focus. That's going to be the first terminator towards that but then there's also other aspects in newell cha you know there's a there's a gate Like five and fifteen and they kind of like opposite each other that created channel. But i have Game of fix patents. So there's part of me kind of lacks a little rhythm eilat to be in a bit of a rhythm and that's something that leads to a little bit of consistency And then is also the The energy that which is the guide of extremes and that's probably more towards inconsistencies then we also have a little lack arrow at the top. The very first aren that you see on your child If it's facing towards the right it's more towards the feminine and more of a full lowey inconsistent energy and if it's facing towards the left is actually more masculine german so more consistent than in terms of energy says if you go to define saco you're going to have the energy to probably want to go and go and go a little bit. Moral have the capacity and the energetic capacity to show up mocks. He can have the energy to do. Say if you've got to define how you got access to pass that you're gonna probably like more access to consistent willpower so you have the willpower to show up more consistently the drive. The desire to show up without really makes you so many different elements of our shot. That can either swing us towards a very feminine inconsistent kind of energy or very masculine consisted energy. Or sometimes we have this opposing energy this union yang which i have a lot of union in my shot of like you know to define route which is always like do something hurry up. I don't deny define hot. I don't have access to that like consistent access to that. We pal. I don't have that consistent. Access to the sacral energy an inconsistent than this guy fixed patterns Then my manifest decisions in my rest of this so much of me. That's like very much about the ebbs and flows and that's been a huge pace to may to step into the mission wise to actually give myself permission to be in a state of ebbs and flows. I don't need to be in constant ed or constant on To to really be successful or to have the success that i want in my business giving myself permission to actually be in my up and down kind of energy and like have the consistency in the drive in wanting the patent Showing up everyday. When i want to and then being like yet that's gone gonna give myself commission to rest now. Sorry like actually giving myself permission to be in that rather than push very so just to nari that like you don't need to show up every single day. Post every single day Story every single day to be a success like only do what feels right to you. And like i literally had my biggest month ever last month and i i literally went back and i was like what did work last month. That did i post some cool stuff. Four times a k- that wasn't it about like when i did parse. There was sorry. Much energetic alignment behind. That and i think that like the may not something. I've really come to understand as well as that. Like the mole that we are coming from the communication style that matches out energetic strategy. That the party behind. I sheds when we have the desire in the coaling to share from that space like the ripple effected by is so much more powerful than light on fox. I should do a post sean. Oh that was aghast. Having mcdonald's or like a really liked delicious on coach meal. It's like the energy behind like fostered sharing like forcing yourself to be consistent coming back into the space of like complete national policy Sorry good i love that. And i think even just considering it from that point of view when you stay than others sharing online recognized that just because they're doing one way doesn't necessarily have to mean it's what you and i loved it. How human design gives that commission to like you know what like that's right for them because it works then that design but if it's not yours then you've got a really feeling to it and i find that so much myself when not my when i'm not in my joy and i'm not lit up fascinated by something that i'm sharing what you just said like. I'm just sharing something that i have to because it's like oh i mean launch or oh it's because like our question import is it's always like it's like wow. That went nowhere. Even if it's a written parse like people can oral and we're talking about you a closed and repelling opinion inviting or whatever it is people can feel your energy before. They even read the parks before they even turn off biotech to sound on the in story. Whatever it is they cannot feel your energy and like you would hardly know this as anyone who knows. I mean it. You can tell whether it's a forced part lack tarkhan price. Select fill up the griddle. United papa acquired in between the picture. Whatever it is it's like you can tell when it's like forced or when it is coming from spice of like deep desire all once or creation. Our excitement passionate whatever it is And your way more likely to engage all lean in when it's a lotta rather than the keep scrolling so it's like there's not even any point and i think plays the idea that like we have to be visible to be memorable and i just don't think that that is the case. Are you even. When i had all of december i was still getting dmz. I'll still getting messages. Like even though i wasn't showing up online being visible because i trusted and this is where that building that trust comes in like that. It's going to be looked different to other people. I don't need to be saying this month to be felt. That was like the attitude that i came out at it with and i think that like that is like the thing is just trust. It could be posted roof as people can still see like my most favorite manifest is ever as paid kelly and lock the reason. I just love her so much. She has the same price as me too. I believe which is a seeks to Which is disliked role model. That's like the manifesto energy on crack. But it's like. She will literally be like tom full books and i just dropped twelve podcasts. And then like she'll price like frantically flat two weeks and then showed us disappear potentially two three months but like even like in that time months she's doing and sometimes assigned flick on head higher rates of old part. Sometimes i'll even share them even though she'd been gone for like monster trust. That energy is still felt in that. You'll still top of people's mind when you're holding your energetic integrity. You don't need to be constantly in people's faces them to feel you'll gifts. Yeah totally absolutely agree. So what does the money other key indicators when it comes to business like what have you noticed we parading donald. How you how you have used human designing your business. What are some of the other things that people would get from having reading. Yeah so i think a like. I said that that strategy energetic strategy behind United how your heat to use your energy to deliver your gifts The other thing that i would say that it's really part numbers. The other than the permission pace to come into. Whether you are naturally more inconsistent consistent there's also a lot of the energies in your shot. That determine whether you more strategic more creative as well yourself emission to lean into that. But there's nine energy centers in the human design shop and one of the biggest things that this is that we have defined well unless reflect we have defined and undefined energy centers and defined energy sent his almost. Like you know if you're thinking about you coming from a past life that were the things that united as your cost live from a previous lifetime new york nyc gifts and you're open energy centers. A your course lied for this lifetime. So you'll find a really incredible to explore. Because they are the things that are gonna come natural to you that going to support you to amplify i the landings from your rpime energy centers and out open energy centers. United for example. I'll use minds. I have an open undefined. Hot and like. I said my biggest challenge in life up until recently was this belief that i wasn't good enough. Not very much comes from that undefined. Hot of feeling unworthy on undervalued and for me like my journey of like self belief and self worth has been saw here it and it's something that is one of the key components of what i teach other women now so we can really get so many beautiful gifts and insights to i without incredible strengthen gifts And also what. We're really here to teach in this lifetime because where we're open an undefined. We have the most capacity to influence impact. So you can really treat in your rating and say like what are the experiences that you've really had from way you've gone from a european centers and how are you maybe already using that impact and influence or how can you start to lean to impacting influence. And if you're new to business it's like oh great like these elected fucking incredible claes of like how i'm here to really support the collective So it is. I think that's really really supportive in in barth And then i think also just that. There's your archetypes that you're here play. Which i think. Support you to understand like i said mine's role model hammond so Giving myself permission to go into my hermit cave. I'm understanding that you gave me deep understanding to why the first thirty years of my life was so tumultuous literally the the six line we like have all of this trial and error in office that he is of last week. And is it into wisdom so gives you kind of understanding of like again the archetypes you kind of hit a bring your puppets to live And there's a lot of energy in your price falls. Well that kind. Of explains i guess. What your natural propensities i. It will say life this four different energies in your child. That if you really body them again to naturally bring you up towards you as well so that the lot you the can kind of look at an impacted getting give you an indication of one of the big consistent magnetic energies that in your in your body alive in your body that you can really use lane onto bring you gifts to laugh. And what are you kind of hits to lend at how you hit. Add value through finesse and through the possibility. And what are. The energy needs to embody to kind of. Bring those two together You know there's all serve I want you wanna your gates falls in your mercury which is very much to do with like machias. The god of communications are also like this so many incredible clues about what your Brand marketing message could be potentially from your way. You're conscious mercury sits so there's so much about that that like he can really look the clues around. What is your branding. What's your purpose. How you hit impacting influence. How you hit to monetize From your peninsula like what are they the gifts that you've got to kind amplify those into reality. So they sorry much that economic impact to kind of to you know even how you to make decisions particularly as unite people in bizet business. Like of that was something i used to struggle with. It used identify with indecisive. But now i just recognized that is actually How my authority dictates. how decisions. So does it takes the pressure off. You know when you're on business in your operating saulo like how am i. Actually heat energetically make There is so much honestly a lot we could have talked cool day a vacuum in designing a sorry the barriers fascinated by this wanna get a rating. What's the next step. So you can go directly to my website which is customers in the car and then you can click on services and drop down and you can either careening human design on the or you can book breath wreck session if anything from the start of that really pageau interest And then if you're looking to fuse old ice together and kind of gonna really deep dive jenny with may either three months and i also have one one mentorship that now kind of like works through Deconditioning all of the parts of yourself. That aren't yours to carry and getting yourself into alignment with your energetic strategy. Looking at your gifts looking at the lessons that you're here to imbue and all of the things that are in the way of you trusting yourself and kind of like being an ownership of that individuality as well so they're kind of the three main ways that you can step into this incredible journey to get us love it. I'll make sure who works in china. It's people can get in touch with you. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. Today it's been such an awesome journey such an awesome exploration of bards breath work and human design. Yes i think. The reason that i love doing both is using it together with the coaching as well as that. They're barf such incredible powerful tools in different ways to strip out all the parts of ourselves that are not out trees and come back into what is beautiful. Thank you so much beautiful as been such incredible compensation and i wish you all best. Thank you for having me again. Mypillow thank you for listening. And i hope you enjoy of the next podcast. 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"Welcome solicitation of espn sem thomas. Later on the show adding moreno will be here to reflect. Mom sees one one draw with ram and the significance of that result regarding laliga title. Race will start in the premier league some big results today. Spurs beating crystal palace liverpool. Losing once again this time at home against fulham but will kick things off with manchester united's to know victory away against manchester city Let's welcome in. Shall we need them. A new and frank leboeuf nine. What happens to your boys birthdays. You know it's one of those things as an old style city. I had this nagging doubt in the back of my head that no matter how else doing dhabi games are just different. I don't think the united states today obviously daily go helps an awful lot. But you know days like this can happen. This is just about the reaction and thanks for them. They've got a game on wednesday to try and get back into that winning momentum. It's a cliche frank. Formbook goes out the window but you think but no. We shouldn't because these are still saying teams. This is still a manchester city side. Who won all those games in a row. Twenty games unbeaten manchester united. Come to this game. Golden strolls galore. How do you explain this. How did you get it done. Well the the the work harder than the worker on the the best way and and the thing they know what to do is defending and the the the chance to to school very very early and then defending everybody and especially the red devil funds could have been scared for the last thirty minutes of the the first half but the the the hell will and the and the another goal for from show the perfect game not to meet changes but very solid at the back and it will hard for. It was hard for for city to go round to create. Some chances did second half like three times but not enough to to to scare the devils native amateur credits shellshock for this win. Yeah i think he deserves. But also you look at last season and i think the city three times then as well so clearly knows how to get his team out for that game in two sets of his team so that game and even though they were sought beforehand was the fact that they've not scored against you know some of the traditional big six the clean sheets they will happening very significant because now they find themselves women early against city and they confidence to treat them as we can see that so many times in the last in the last couple years. So why would you go and play together. Walks hits doing still always hard to believe for the can go and get result in elevated back today and i think overall pays me to say but he probably native just from an outside looking in. What you're saying makes absolutely no sense. I get i get. The history has shown us that social has taken united city and got results. But even though he's done in the past that really shouldn't have any significance in that game today. Should it given the form of the two sides going into this clash less less. Let's be clear here. So it's adobe game there's always that little bit extra to it and for that game itself is just about winning that particular thing as far as momentum goes and things that come into it then yes you can be more confident and so on but i myself like i played in six begins one. Three one. Three as a significant underdog. So what does that mean. Because we'll plan against the great mind just united sides at will transit and things like this is so i think that's the beauty of the game itself even though we can expect results to come in the facts of the matter is if they always came in. We probably stop watching. Because you know what to expect but for manchester united you know. They have confidence eleven v. Eleven and city will face with different this time so the first time in twenty games. They conceded i now. They're up against the team where you've seen over all the games. They don't concede a lot of goals. And as a point where basically united also comes with hitting city on the break and people on the field for them from one or the way eleven. we're committed to defending properly and they did and they were rewarded other teams learn from this victory for manchester united when they face manchester city frank. Well coached for many of the tomb was going to confront manchester. Ninety i will. I will draw backing. Wait for them to to to lead the game and playing. Because that's the way we know that. Not comfortable with the very good very experts on contacting especially marcial rash. Bald gyms are very very fast if few dropbox just wait for them to lead the game. I think you're gonna create program because they don't like it and and play contract because then pretty much slow at the back with my linderhof for example is going to be a permanent for them so the only thing that you can learn from them is the fact that giving them the ball can be an advantage for yourself looking manchester city side. They're going to win the prime music. That's fine that's wrapped up but obviously their focus is the champions league. How much of a concern is this sort of performance going into the latter stages of the of the knockout rounds given what we saw today. And give what we've seen in the past way in the champions league in their failings there. Yeah think peps described very well because he said i think in the game time. He thought that he didn't play well. But it's still managed to find result. He is aware as far as like results. Were very very positive but not every performance was as good as he could have been. I think even in the game against god by those a chance for go back in the last with alaska the kicking the game and that could have taken a game to see one and you know. They've got different task in sunday's time so as far as champions league goals always say this shows that they're not perfect side but i think the people in the in that building know that anyway i think if they will just get in copen their own hype and so on. I'd be more concerned but for the way that pepi is as a manager. I think most of those plays. Aw i think this type of law says that type of thing which may be springboards them. In terms of improving the performances overall it might not necessarily guarantee results but what they fell today. That darby game is essentially a humbling. Because everybody said they will favorites to do so and they didn't perform but i don't think that's something that's going to spread throughout the team and continue for the rest of the season so it's tries to champions league. Goes i think peps going to be more prepared. I think the play is going to be more motivated. And it wouldn't surprise me some of the before. Come between now and the end of the year so no concern. Nadim him for lack of a word that faffing that we see the over-complication in the final third this can fossil they won but the fox's still joint top scorers in the premier league so there is some level of substance that obviously as well they united did very well today because they were clinical even auto shots. They end up with the same mouse shots on target. So that's credit to them. I think at time city can be a little bit wasteful but on a different day it sits you more clinical. If they don't have the start that they do that. I think today eight ends up being a more comfortable game for them and they probably end up with the best result so the tippy tap stuff only problem when they don't win but for the previous twenty one games. I didn't really hear many complaints about it so on so you don. I feel like you were saying. Hey i'm gonna be looking for everyone. Nate him all of them. Every single lookout. Just angrily this liverpool as well and a happy losing against everyone at the moment film of course the latest sign that went to anfield and all three points. Frank i don't even know what a stall anymore with this because it is come out of the blue so much i understand. Teams have five runs and it's difficult to defend your titles and liverpool have a lot of injuries but goodness me liverpool. I taking this the next level that recent run of form as just diabolical. Yeah it's starting to be embarrassing. Disturbing shameful know what to use to describe what i feel because you against chelsea can hop cd. Maybe lester cd. Everton the chief. Nate did fulham. Even if i think fulham doesn't deserve to go to dan and alfred they're going to. They're going to stay in the premier league. Yes something is happening. And i don't like it because you can find your excuses depending me with the injury. The loss of mini central defenders today. The setup was different with the two williams phillips robertson. At the back no being a new new son yes any semi sunny at front and so we see clubs tries to change something. Try to change me. Read the you know the spirit of it but it doesn't work but then the end of the day the players they have to stand up and to maybe react themselves. They're professional players. They've been absolutely fantastic for two years and now the collapsing crazy. No it's it's not understandable. We come forgive them off the rest of the season the to react because again you know They're not going to get anything. We don't talk about the title. We talk about the first fourth place. Maybe europa league maybe That would be something for them Because this is becoming very very bad and they have to react. Nate him take us into that liverpool locker room. How feeling four. That's off considering. They were champions last year. The long way that they've jaw is crazy. But i think one thing about liverpool and the way that the plane right now is thinking. I believe it was focused. Was both ways. Previously there were seeing. Haven't lost home for four years. Which is crazy for the moment bernie victory and then the next thing that victory teams go into anfield and they're almost expecting a result and that's not something that i think i've seen in my lifetime. And he is crazy to say a drop in confidence in the premier league. Any league at the highest level will mall well more often than not be catalyzed by the opposition. And here you facing a team. Fulham were desperate to gather relegation-zone an imagined. How much of our say excitement is such but for full until ripe anfield with no fans to see wounded liverpool and to see the changes. That clot makes the team as well. These are all big boost for as much as little trying to find their way. The teams play against them then prepared to give him time. So you see more results like this. Today we've talked a lot about the defensive issues and of course it was another sense of back pairing but at the other end of the field that form has dropped off so much and they have to take a lot of responsibility for this as well. Yeah they will. I think they will you know what from the ball over the past three four years. He's been except for what they're going through right now. Is it just shows how the game can be just because you'll need something in the past doesn't guarantee the and fennell succumb but don't let the goals scored eleven in in fourteen games. It's not good enough for them. It's not good enough for side. That won the league. Last year is not gonna team is probably going to try and finish in the top four this year trying to figure out whether or not it's a case of the creates as many chances. I'm not sure or if it's a case of them being wasteful but ultimately they know it's not good enough. I think the standards that they set over the past three years have only been much by one team which is manchester city overall. Nobody else's search but now they're back in the park and struggling a little bit unfortunate as say so them. This league doesn't give you a leg up. Doesn't give you a chance to try and figure things out you suffer. Find a way otherwise the most fun to wait two points away from me. How much does that starting lineup affected by the fact that they've got sick mid week. And how much is that an indicator. Maybe that klopp is giving up on finishing in four. I don't think clock is a type of person to give up. But i was curious when i saw that. Actually because say someone is being used for. Example is just come back into the side be appeared to be rested. And that's all fast interesting and with the game against lights league. Yes it's a big game but they do have a lead. They need to go all blades to try and win that particular game because finishes melby go through essentially so actually. We need to win a game to go through so when i saw the changes. I'm not sure to put focus on can champions league. I'm not sure you have your halfway there. And the league is is is so so important you look around the west form spurs four abbots during the four chelsea and my opinion now probably one of the two best teams in the league at this moment so i dunno. I think he's sent them out that knowing that they are capable of winning the game but then in the same breath. We've seen the last two months if not got the death to be able to maintain a high standard of performance. So when you make those changes it does kind of feel like he's. I don't know either protecting himself when the team if they lose because they were the changes or you could argue. Get ready for the champions league. The champions league was privacy even if there was up league anyway to be honest what do you think frank You know. I don't know what's the priority because you know if you keep on losing games games after giving the premier league is going to give you any confidence to to win in the champions league saw. I was surprised to see that setup today but at the end of the day you have to try. Something i mean. Always said that pudding midfielders soon in central box. Like end their son. And fabio wasn't maybe the good idea but do you have the choice. I'm not sure club does and and you try something. Yes and some stories. Not sonny's money main to before but we have three runs the not free confident but like the rest of the team and again as always said you know if you knew the battle in the middle of the park you can expect anything going right Offensively and defensively and that's the main for the season club tried to cope with the situation Pudding venue and in this in the back and he lost the battle in the middle of the park. John's check world. Come tara of fantastic players. But you need warriors and the captain and the sun is really. I mean for me. The color of the of the reds he showed rage is should everything and he's a real example and he played at the back. It didn't play the middle of the puck. Just last word on this name is chelsea everton tomorrow. Chelsea win that game all seven points. Clear of liverpool ten matches to go is that for liverpool's top-four hopes given the chasing pack and teams. That are behind them as well. You know you really good to try to get me to say some things. Put me under the bus. So i will say instead is yes. You'll be very heavily favored. Should they win that game because as it stands little we know that anyone can come on. And that's okay okay. Let me give you what you want. Then chelsea will finish above if they win tomorrow. There you go. I said it enough and yeah ok. Meanwhile in the late game spurs taking on at crystal palace. Harry kane. Gareth bale very much stealing the show. They were brilliant. I think they played well. And and it's the real notch when a form that both great finishes really exceptional players exceptional talents especially in the head of steam. But i think ultimately again today as well to add to that. I think crystal palace were quite for. I think maria to say about what happened to half time and so on brought these are real good goal. Scores put themselves in kyrie's trying to affect the game could see the confidence silent. Such a great finish and that's ultimately you know something doesn't surprise you so as can can do but as i say that confidence and i think these this is a prime example of a team where they have confidence. They can do any anybody because he wasn't too long ago and watch the games and they were good so maybe the first ten fifteen minutes then after that they had nothing for them to see them. Play like that play now. I think he's what people expected. I think people probably expect them to be further up the table at this point pushing for may be pushing for a title run but you know they found the former eventually was shame that it's a bit too late for them and bring to manage to sit into every conversation front. You take a look at this and you look at the way in which they're playing and it's the complete opposite from what we've discussing about liverpool these players who clearly enjoying every single minute on the pitch and growing with confidence with every game the all and and i have to give credit to marino on what he did on the garas bail because we're wondering what he was on the bench all the time and when maureen decided to launch him since he's been absolutely fantastic so create for forms to marino on that case but debit on the on the fact that when everything was lost that they are nothing to do it decided to pay to play offensively and we fund spurs ferried back from the from yesterday and what they do for the past games is absolutely entertaining fantastic and they get results and we enjoy seeing the front giving us these to the other scoring goals and we see an entertaining. Spur team they do what we expect from those people who are really gifted to play offensive football and played for six months defensively for thinking that it could get something and at the end the day wasting points. How do you explain the gareth. Bale situation him he's bites me again. Return produces i heard earlier in the season gareth. Bale wasn't quiet for my sharpness was he was. He was doing stuff in training by her. He had some issues in terms of highway shoots and stuff because wasn't quite there yet. So i think significant part of the of the early season. He wasn't ready to play and garcia. We see now wouldn't have been possible back then. And then the way that the team was playing and so on. I think marino had an idea how to strategies to stick with it but we have to give credit because the last time we were talking about marine bail though have an issue because i was allegedly injured marino said he wasn't and so on and so forth but if managed the relationship the made it work in one or even bigger more positive one. Because i see gaffe bail on the pitch looking very very comfortable. I'm being very very happy. Putting him out there to find success for that same and he's not changed the way that the team ultimately if hats to try and play because now he fits the system. He suits system. I'm crazy marino team being really it's accurate science and so on but as long as it's not in the legal final. I'm more than happy to never this again. Good what's going on. Yeah he's in the league just just on on the point. The narrative is easy to so is an marino from madrid. He wasn't up to standard and then he obviously brought back to the gareth. Bale that we know. But it's taken a very long time and you could always counter that argument saying well maybe chose. Maria was just stubborn and didn't want him in the side and in the end he had no choice. Name trust any manager believe in his decisions. I didn't hear any pressure from daniel league then here in san antonio has to play him there was no real outrage from anybody else but the time has come garth. Bell can be is best. Because i think if he went into the side and he wasn't anywhere news fitness than probably see the stats that we saw from before february where he wasn't really contributed games but now that he's ready to go is fitness is better as health is better now. You can see the garth bell which allows people probably dream scene back in the premier league. Obviously it's not as good as he was when he first from his peak around madrid but that step down still puts Probably had a ninety five percent of plays in the late so trust the marina. He knew what he was doing. It took a while. But he's in the results. Gentlemen thank you very much nadim before you change in your manchester city pajamas. You'll be back for extra time and on in the show with frank just reminded game on monday. Chelsea take on everton a huge john's but it's almost ducal sides are really solidify their place in the for two to one on all three points. Every team everton. Meanwhile eleven to two we want the best of both worlds. We want hybrid a smarter. Hybrid cloud approach with ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains watson. I while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm visit. Ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud getting interested in league. After ramage's one one draw against athletico madrid. What it came. It was much better side in the first half. Youthful finish from luis suarez would give them the lead controversy just before the break which felt they should have had a penalty would have been harsh. I think have given it. The hamble in the bulk term outlet. Second half ramat. So they get the equaliser corinne benz in are late on for more on. This is welcoming alley moreno to the show ali. I wanna start. We luis suarez. It's a good place to start is certainly is a good place to start when you consider how important he has been for athletic. It the is about me not scoring. You know where the goals are gonna come from. That's what we have seen over the last month or so. He went call for a little while that commodity was struggling to get chances and today what we saw from his ability to finish and and i think also what we saw from identical my that i thought surprising in fact surprise everybody who was not in that locker room is the willingness right after the first minute for a physical marie to actually play higher of the field to take the game to beat to actually thrash around and from. That pressure is where that first goal come from because you start in line is higher that allows michael. You rented to running to channel two running behind if forces natural to kamado his defensive position. Naturally those can get to the that it's now attacking and until we want situation against iran and then we saw it as you see the movement of the ball getting behind and that's you just mentioned the finish resources that was just so tasty so delicious so common so beautifully taken. Just it's again. He was outstanding in that finish but they could've used more of those finishes on we tell you know. Marie had opportunities in the second half. Then we'll go came up with save and you gave me the chance. Yeah that's the thing. Isn't it because. I had chances the bury the game to seal the three points but then they just let into it. Ben bensimon without opportunity late on overlap making a savory thought. Well that's it that's round. Madrid's chance but with ben's our up front he will always give you that opportunity for goals. Yes he will. And i think there was a solution to the problem. Posted by diego melanie that sudan to come up with and he had sort of figure out. Okay what do i do now because my midfield strength is now being out play from a threat because we're being outnumbered confederate. Rascal is creating all sorts of problems from us so why did sit and do well okay. I'm gonna put out there a guy who's gonna mash lettuce rascon in doing that. He was out there. I well where the and now the match into midfield was more of to around me and just as we mentioned about email surprised cincy. Then we also have to mention that when sort of back to his roots in reacting to that subsitution. To where the why does he do. Instead of strain stain on the front foot he took a step back and he became a little bit more defensive. And that's all it took for me to start creating some opportunities half chances here and there and the actual goal from benson comes from a little bit of a touch and tackle kind of a one to situation but look at the numbers around ben ma at the moment that he starts to play there so many athletic players and nobody actually stakes tackle. Nobody gets to the ball. Nobody able to to ben. Cima orcas amita for that matter and is a tap him out one one and barcelona rejoices penalty alley. I think so rarely. And i know you said it was. It would be incredibly harsh. But what i would suggest is that and i think the thing that i came back going. I kept going back to his. If he does in touch this ball with his arm away from his body does that ball. Get gas in mito. And he's he's facing goal about five yards out all by himself and the answer to that is yes oh he beats play around read and the playoff potentially casamayor gaining on the end of the cross. That's part in which i think it's a penalty and give it to credit d'ivoire though he did they did say to the referee. Hey you gotta take a look at this and now it's up to the referee. Go see the play once again. He so at tom and time again the same replays that we were seen he evaluated. He had his own interpretation and not just had referee. I disagree with interpretation. I think it was a penalty but at the very least we went through the right process to get to the decision. Is parents gonzales. Finally who wins laliga man. That is tough. That is rough. I knew you were gonna ask this. So i was ready for. This was the truth of the matter. Is i have no idea. I have no idea. I i would have thought if identical closes out and yes we're we're back to where we were a few weeks ago where he said and everybody else now. There's momentum from barcelona and now what happens we've been threatening mighty and athletic bilbao in the mid week. Major set up for a nice real finish. Because here's the thing. Maybe they still have to say they still have to play but then by someone becomes a big mess but now you have teams are in arrays that we're not there three weeks ago is very much in this ray. I thought they were done after. They drew against guys. They're back in it and they may just be the real thread for a real threat. That has a new president. China voted in today back after his seven year. Right from two thousand and three to twenty seven is well in coffee to the show gabor of this. Well it's different because in in some ways depending who you choose to believe course. Porta was there when when barcelona were restored to glory when when they won the european cup back in two thousand six. Obviously he was there. When the whole pep guardiola movement started with messy although it didn't necessarily end well to necessarily end well with with relationship between him and messy either wasn't necessarily optimal chilly. Not great with pep. Some people say. But i think in some ways a choice of going back to the past and and hoping this'll help things calmed down at the club. You're talking about a club that has like one point. Three billion dollars worth of debt of which More than eight hundred million is a short term debt. Which is going to come come do very soon so these are some of the things that are going to have to deal with. And of course the biggest call of all is what to do with lionel messi. would you offer him How much do you push the boat out to get him. To stay is decision already made up. These are all questions to which we don't have the answer right now. Well i'm gonna ask you anyway. Gap tough drawn to them. We selassie votes in normally normally here for the elections. Make big deal around in it as well put it on. Social media made no secret about it can also vote for. And i'm gonna tell me obviously are no because it's a secret ballot but overall of the three. Would you guess this would be his preference. People have speculated that that would be him. Possibly victor fong. I would hope it's not tony phase. Show the guy who was talking about. Oh yeah if i get elected you know we can sign three world class players. You know maybe holland maybe somebody else at the back. No you can't do that. I mean barcelona offense have to realize that a lot of things went very wrong. Some of it has to do with the previous administration about the mail. some of the is the pandemic. some of it is sheer bad luck. I think messi understands that the question is as messy. Wanna to be part of the rebuild. How quickly can they come back. Personally i look at this and i look at. I look at church data. And i look at look at i look at rely. Lookit this season. Charlie alba's having and i'm not sure they're that far away messy sticks around so i think the is going to have to be smart on this one. I think the way you you put a number on on what messy is worth to you and what you think he can contribute and you go to him and you say look. This is how far we can go. We really want you here. We think you want to be here. It's a new season. It's a new president. It's a new club by. We can't go any further than this. And if you don't take it then all of a sudden a big chunk of your wage. Bill is gone and relieve some of the financial pressure on the club if he sticks around and gives you that hometown. Discount that you're hoping for hey even better. You've got messy. They're showing that this season with the injuries with every now even mentioned unto foty before they can they're right up there competing for the title and what is a string season shore but they're up there in the final competent and magin what they can do in more more settled situation without those injuries. So i think there's a lot for laporta to try to sell messiaen to try to persuade mistake. 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Now you could make a case in certain games but if you actually look back at half the games lot on ebrahim of each missed this season me just fine. They've struggled with him on the pitch. I'm not saying it's his fault. But in twenty twenty one when they had most more important players back is when they were dropping points in this game. Not a man. There's no he's mel bene- some know-how konczal non-glue no simone tire brahima bitch. The list goes on and on and they play very well. This was the rotation players about half the usual starters were missing and to put this performance against an spit on a side that has taken points against the big boys in city are. I think was a huge win. Even more pressure tomorrow on inter against the lantern. What's going to be a really tricky. Fix your statement today. Got huge statement. Look said softly i think matteo danced around it. There but milan's points per game average is actually higher without slots on then with slot. And obviously it's not a binary situation but when there without him when they have rafael upfront when the haters shut up and stop saying house not a center forward. What's he doing. I played fast and they play with intensity They can go. And nick and certainly beat up teams like i think bigger teams. Well a big statement from manacle big statement from you answers yesterday Coming from behind to be seal the front page because zeltser. You've am murata sings yesterday's show the new addition to espn sc alleged. Senator del piero was on. I asked him about transition. Yeah underpaid low and how patient fans be with it raw. There's no transition ear for eventers at all every year. You need to win. You must to win. And by the way you've it one last month the supercup so it's really a trophy on the on the On the stand of the of the club but that trophy that they want the fast wants is the chapters so now after nine streets consecutive Copley winning it's kind of you know. Oh and other italian cop in other italian league winning boring kind of kind of that right so the champions league as the most important target for everyone including fast they are passionate yes because they know the law is a is a new so in. It's time to adjust what's going on is the chain of last minute during the preseason so it's not easy to putting a new guy with no experience like him but super smart To to to In this situation but day they are patient now. And the you on tuesday. Is this gonna good enough to win the whole champions league this season. That's very good question as tough to answer because for what is showing the champions league the answer is well this is good but they still have a lot of problems and how much they can solve those problems and how fast they can solve. The problem is the answer. Because they're they're missing all the defense now. They didn't find the right chemistry on the feels. But they're amazing patera With that guy in the front and every game one or two goes everything is possible if the right man for the job going forward so this is an amazing. An amazing guy. is super smart and embrace the project. You know super fast but yes definitely no experience. So is is a kind of bad for vantage book. Distracter the club. All the team with the key manage type inside the players is very strong so they have till now and they keep going together so they become a fool and this is really good. You know when you add to to reach some kind of level that you need everything that you have inside to to to perform well and it sounded alpha. Thank you very much before we. Before i let you go. Just turn around your camera and showing me what you're showing me before all the lights and all the people and everyone they're trying to make this work to our network and i assure you i'm happy to do everyone. Nights everywhere device you know. Want to everyone working big lives. Communism was really and connect as you see it. Yeah you know with the guys you know. They want the cables and know nothing. Nothing worked at the end of the day all the way through a phone and make it war time. Yeah we see that the day before before them. Tell me alone in that houses. Let's just confirm how you've aim where they are this season of third in the league of course through around the sixteen now huge game against porto talk about that in a moment. Final the copper italia Champions as you mentioned the italian supercup Gavin has nicest thing as a transitional season free event. That's what people are taught to say into repeat endlessly. Fortunately not moving tino. So i don't have to say that. I got to captain. The side played for them five hundred odd times if not more this whatever they say this is a transition season obviously they still have tremendous players tremendous teams but it's not some sort of binary equation. We're all of a sudden you know we need to win win. And so therefore. We're going to chuck the baby out with the bathwater. That's not what it means. And i think you know when you take a step back when you look fabulous trying to try to get the club to do. They believe that this is the right path. And as i've said many times might not be pillow. Teach you there. But they're moving in the right direction so amazon. Pretty picture that you're painting however they would be a massive blow on that picture if they don't get past porto this week. Yeah i don't tell you what before you talked about. How wonderful their victory over over lots it was. I thought the first twenty minutes and not just because they're gifted lots of the goal. I thought they were absolutely terrible. I agree with you. You go out and around sixteen. It's a massive blow especially knowing how you lost the first leg and you only have yourself to blame. So i think this is. These are all important points. I think they have to go through. I think that's why. Christiano didn't start against against lots to make sure that he's fresh. He played every game midweek and weekend. I think since since the beginning of january. But that said i think what's really encouraging here. Is they show that they can beat lots yo without christiano and not as a big step forward in terms of of having faith in their own abilities and also they can deal with a bunch of options as you can go play alexandro in a centreback you can play donna. Midfielder complaint left back in four. I can still win. And i think i think all of these things build the confidence of course it could go out the window if they get hammered by porto. Then this is such a crucial game on tuesday. Mattel yet is nothing from the first game would really make me feel great. If i was just looking at this one from a neutral perspective. I think the i like was one of the worst games of football that i can remember watching this season. It was just like it was played in slow motion and they're probably going to be without georgia. Carolinian ties the licked on tuesday as well so just going back to what god was saying about transitioning if you're say as a club. Oh we're an ariba. We're in the transition. It's almost like making excuse which you obviously can't make with the players that they have the money that they've gone on to spain including so much money that they have to structure all these crazy signings were. They're only paying for players in little chunks this year. Next year that you're after that because they can't just spend it all at once so this would be dan a massive failure to not only go out against portland around sixteen but to become stay in third place. And i don't think they're gonna win the school that i think into the favorites after nine consecutive seasons when that is the big objective bringing rinaldo you need block and all that great i get it but we have not seen a cohesive side from event is that can deliver a similar sort of end result from week to week all season long every few weeks something completely different and it isn't about the injuries because every team has suffered injuries every teams had covert cases. Every teen has been turned upside down this whole season from week to week because of the element of randomness of covert that. You don't know when it's gonna hit because of the congested calendar. There's no real excuses. They should have done better and going into the second leg where porto can. Just sit on the lead. What would it take for pale not to be there next season gap. I think they would have to be convinced that he can't take them to the next level But as i've told you many times even if below moves on even if they think people not right even if relationships breakdown which people within the team the next manager is going to be appealing type is going to be somebody progressive. Who tries to go and play the way. Peter has been been playing. Maybe he does. Maybe does a better job of it But i think it's as simple as that and that's matteo said about well if you say it's a transition year yeah. They spent a lot of money in the summer but they spent money on long-term players they spent money on people like like as people like weston mckennie people. More who you know. It's not like the guys thirty five years old in the past. They were always looking for last piece of the puzzle bringing in a great expense. In terms of wages people like ramsey maturity. And whatever else. Now they're going in a different direction. So i think they can actually live with with with saying it's a transition year because everybody knows it's a transition year because if it was not a transition year you wouldn't have made the signings that you made and you wouldn't have appointed as your manager. Hey guys trae mattel find a way. I'll be honest. I think that at home against the side. That really isn't that impressive. When you actually look at them all on paper event the should find a way. I feel like they have the necessary experience and players that have been in the biggest moment especially up top and i'm just worried about what happens when they face one of the truly top sides in europe in this competition so gaby montana says events issue then surely have to say porter yet isn't quite work that way. There's no look. I think they will advance it. I'll tell you what though if you look at where you run has ended in past years in europe and who it's ended against and how and how things fell apart whether it's logical madrid. Leon you know in the past when they had the whole chest thumping we're winners blah blah blah defense dantley. None of this none of this build up play and whatever they weren't getting any further in europe either incidentally so no. I think i think they will go to the next round and winning it until the very end. I think it said this before. Manchester city are outstanding side. Biron can be an outstanding side and they showed it this last weekend. I don't know that there's any other team in europe. Then he's clearly head and shoulders or least team left in the champions league apart from those two that has clearly head and shoulders above. You've ended so. I think they would feel that. They're the shot of course boys full of that. You go into against atalanta tomorrow live on. Espn plus such a big game. Matteo you're going to be working on a monday. Yeah can't wait because it's really a great chance froth alonzo to blow the title race wide open for to just keep that six point lead interests going to be basically full strength. I think until you're gonna put out his favorite eleven just lost the back again. Live tv and athlon ever since pablo gomez has left the club. Dan fan really missed the beat. They've been this more workmanlike side. They've continued to get success and they raised their game against the top sides in syria. They always seem like they can add an extra gear and they press you in the midfield. That battle is going to be great. And you know that inter gonna find space over the topic is we'll play hi. There will press and lukaku. It's going to be devastating on the counter as he. So often is gab. This is happening a lot now. And i feel there is some sort of product placement for a particular brand of teller and i would like to wish reason not to have fails. He needs to use this opportunity to try and get free stuff so we will try and move on from this extraordinary unprofessional. Way you can turn around breslin remote. It's all right you've got your in now. I don't know where it is. That's going into now talk like i. It's like that it's magic gap. It should be a really really good thai absolutely. You'll notice my background says. Espn thank you very much time. That's why i want to try to promote But yeah it's it's huge. It's huge from from interest perspective. Because you look at where you think they can drop points between on the end the season this is obviously one of those one of those trap games for them I have been flying. They don't seem to be affected by by stuff. That's going on around them and i'm so looking forward to this game helping settle. Who is the outstanding wingback in syria. This season robin go. Since it's worth listening to the commentary just to listen to the placement will take place over the ninety minutes between mark and matteo that game live to forty five eastern on. Espn plus that's it. Then that brings us the end of today's show. Thank you very much that everyone who is being on the show though to stay tuned franken nadene are factor on sale. Your tweets on extra time to stay with us. Welcome in sedition extra time. Thank you as always for your tweets. A native frank With us native. Could you share one of the best memories with manchester dhabi's during you'll days. She'll burner accounting. Probably the one to commemorate the munich disaster. We were heavy underdogs. One offshore was a big emotional bay. We're old trafford. We're supposed to get rolled over but when it went in i think he was two one and best of all one of my teammates is for cell he i think for every game he scored in he never lost and i knew that stats and time. He'd scored with tuna love. And i was looking at him. He was looking at me. We didn't say anything but we kind of knew and when the game finished you know we won the game. Two one and i think he's record remains rise career balance your worst memory of a man just the dhabi west west to begin. I'd say probably. When i was as a player i lost three. Used to just roll over. Probably the worst one was sweating seats. Think when it was the league cup semi final and we had a lot of hope and possibly games. I final in god knows how long You know late in that game and it was. It was kind of a false start for the club without point but looking to where they are now think that was that was the beginning of a best run for manchester city liverpool having their struggles. The moment we know that. Frank however this person is suggesting that liverpool may need a new throwing coach to shake things up. I don't think so I really don't think so. I think club should stay to stay to to show that he can react with all mates. And i don't see any other coach coming and the the path that liverpool is going Is going on right now. And i don. I don't feel that anybody can change. Was it's kind of a curse right now. So therefore you know. I want club to stay. And this misguided back to the throwing coach taking credit during liverpool's success over the last couple of years eight theory which has been very much pooh-poohed by a very own stevie nickel. Would you welcome a throwing coach coming in and helping you to be honest. When i was playing martinez was very about at throw ins the. It doesn't help you. Put the ball on the goal. Essentially so i think as far as throwing coaches taking credit stuff. I think is just a prime example. That should maybe. Just keep quiet and let people tell you. How could you want instead of you tell us how how much you actually have frank. Maybe tried that journey of the. Tell me i didn't. I didn't know that. Because i saw i saw him with a with a manchester city shirt showing to that really cheering that that blew the roof club. Are we allowed to say where that we suport. A team like for meat will be for example chelsea or we support chelsea. You say we all the time. It's not a surprise you don't have to wear a chelsea show okay so we have to be no nobody. I mean we have to be clear. You know where. I can come through the show with shit see shirt by de sure to chelsea won the cup and made them play for manchester city before they got good. That's pretty much where we all right here too. Soon as i left. That's the to me to You ever been in a club where the president is starting to go through a lot of drama and the board like with barcelona. What kind of impact does this have on the manager and the player so at first club which i won't name because you know who is don. I'm sure we have known who was potentially going to get locked up in thailand taxing chinua and he came in with a lot of really good ideas and he sounded like the club was progressing. But then all of a sudden you here. As i said it's going to be frozen and he's going to be deported. And all this stuff so you kinda you kinda thoughts wonder looking back now. Having spoken to people who have control there. There are few plays in deals which had to go a certain way otherwise the club might not have even continued to exist. So yeah i'd say watcher was a was definitely affected the manager of the players on overall the football club but thankfully fe monies to move on without. Wow frank. did you have any any situation. Where what was going on the borders affecting what was going on the pitch. Yeah so when. I left chelsea. I went to marseilles and it was kind of a big mass where the at one training session with a coach were signed me to miss lobby which eka first-day Say welcome and after the training session. You say goodbye. I don't know why am sacked. But i'm shocked. And and we went through three chairman during the season and four or five coaches. Wow i she's a and i was the captain of the team. That was very fun. Nothing that was. That was something frank. What was online because we know what the marseille fans are like like. Just going out to a restaurant going to a ball. Could you do that sort of stuff. I wasn't even far away. I was living in next prevents which is like four hundred forty five minutes away from los eight and now it's impossible to well. My time was impossible to leave In marseilles donald say you. You can't go. I went one day on the main streets. I was to pretend that. I was on the phone because people wanted to take pictures. Signed talk to me and say very very latine so they want you to come to the bar and drink with them and talk about food low for hours. So they're very nice. People were not allowed to do. So so i was. I was living in the countryside. Nadim forget levin dos key. If you can pick a player from vines and build your team around who would you choose. That's a good question Finally yeah good question Any of these questions are drug compliment. I retract my compliments. Still no good question. I would say so talk. You know what's what's the captain nightmare you have to take. No you're frank is up. I'll case semi retired still in each commits. I'd say say mature. Very one for me. Nine dos skill renowned are right now come out to say levin sqi purely because he's probably a little bit younger so there's more levin the right answer frank i would go always exceptional but the present is live and dusky and against the future was still living in the next Five years what was going up against her shoulder now. they're thankfully. I never really got to face primetime renaldo. You was always very special when he was a the other side of much and yeah. He's is incredible. And i think looking by once he's finished message careers finish help we can actually take stock of how good they are instead of just picking them against each other because what we see now it might never see again in our lifetime so look at somebody that scored hundreds of goals and i think at three hundred goals awesome. Instances turned thirty. I think that kind of that says an awful lot is talent level. So what's it like very difficult up a monies to stop and just one time when we won but you know. I don't wanna talk about the first frank. Did you ever come across. Anyone called renaldo. Yes yes yes. And you know when you know exactly the day and it was in nineteen but wasn't the same. Ronaldo that we are talking about you know somebody exceptional somebody exception was but you adam and his name frank. Yeah ceiling it. Can i ask you a question. You ask the question going. Then this is this is. This is from idol. Frank thank you. Ask a question please. So we saw. Recently abraham bitch said he prefers old renaldo sued. This car. rinaldo what's your preference. Which who do you think that's up. I think the new ronaldo is better than the the old renaldo for me. I mean he has everything and on top of the old renaldo has been injured Many times during his career where you know you take you think the statistic you take the The goal that the boss called the there is no comparison A new possible comparison What channel does for the old carry longest. I absolutely exceptional. And you say you were talking about him the the the absolutely allience for me in the world of football now days and the old renaldo. The only one. I'll do the number nine was exceptional the chance to play only once against him and i but i talked to you. We'll play within their With inter with him or z. Donald play with with the when he was being for real madrid. This guy at everything you play enough to compare those two to see because you know we started to pay only once again but i you know. See what they can do think. Cristiano renaldo was more complete than the other one. I might be wrong because we are talking about the top of the off. But yeah i will. I will go for cristiano renaldo. Let's go down from the top. Shall we can leo hold off. Psg and leon's and the end in league on frank can well. Yes the can the can. Because i think procedure may not perfect. The season and the did have been. They've been exceptionally against barcelona. But they were of losing for four days. After against monaco. At tom so i think lillies capable of holding. Especially because the the out of the of the champions league as well and and therefore i can carry on. Be a possible Champion the next summer. But then you know those teams the the air because the top level dropped dramatically for me. That's the only reason we see that in every championship in europe. Who does things. The best primarily plan of the last decade onto easy the last decade Oh my goodness i'll keep it safe. i'll say i'll say sergio glasgow. Gosh let me and and especially what about manchester city. Players says okay. Thank the place in the league For now i think in this last decade you see what city of actually done been probably the most accessible team. So i'd have to go there. And i think franck probably bite me up as well. I need a support frank. Please help me well. Yeah i love grow can we can we. Can we pick somebody who didn't play too many games in the last decade. I mean i'm talking about drug. I'm talking about lombard those players. They all slept. But you know. I will put. I will put somebody that i think. Nobody would think about anderson. Anderson is the main player fully virtual and the liverpool won. The last two years is because of the captain. He's not fed up. You know we strikers. I don't wanna took strikers anymore. Okay all right Frank is the this comes from a famous quote from andy gray who used to play and then when there's a commentator on sky saying he's not sure about leeann messy and if he could do it on a rainy night away in stoke frank. Is the french version of kenny. Do it on a cold rainy night. In stoke no i never. I don't know what what you talking about. I basically that comparison in france to weigh it was surreal tax. Why you wouldn't want to go away stoke his windy it's called it's a horrible roar environment wherein franz would be similar to that that would-be in baby and brittany. Yes rest if you go there because you can have the wind have the rain. It's called good right. What was pre-match meal for got to a stage. Where i didn't he didn't really built for a while. It was very specific. That's a big. That's a bad and then now just went out the window. There was a point where we had two games in three days. And the coach. Said we're gonna if you play in. The first game won't play in the second game so played in the first game. Professional with the pastor the pastor the salmon all that stuff played in the first game did find then down tools. I stopped i basically just eight wherever i wanted for the next two days and on the day of the next game. The monitor came and said right. You playing again in the next game so the least prepared i've ever been. I played better in game. Two than i did in game one so from that point. I decided and mind goes. It's whatever i'm in the mood for you. Wherever in the mood for frank just of the world cup final. Could you eat on that day. you must be knows. of course. of course. I french kreps new morning for break. I was very diet and then yeah i had lunch lunchtime lunchtime i had. I don't know. I don't remember. But i guess some facial some meets Pastas and now. I even had a big map of two hours out. Yeah i surprised myself thirty years old. I was thirty years old. I was able to cope with the situation. Thank you very much Gentleman will be back tomorrow for more reflecting on chelsea against everton plus. Of course i big game in italy as well. It is big into. Fun is frank. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately gyco makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy.

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2021/03  Bahrain Grand Prix

Box of Neutrals

49:30 min | 4 months ago

2021/03 Bahrain Grand Prix

"Good morning and thank you for taking time out of your busy day to listen to this. Podcast true sky from the scene hits a house band. Boxed in position formula one is finally back with the bahrain grand prix which lewis hamilton one. But it was actually good and sebastian. Vittles scored five points. But not in the way that you probably think this box of neutrals names. Like eleven naruto and joining me as always intensity. Yes it's it's great to have Context when we talk to each other for one and just like talking about context about bahrain grown per yes hamilton. One that stands in the byrom pray also sends boring nadim as crunch the hamas that sounds predictable but nonetheless. We'll we'll we'll We'll correct with the in context With all the emotion and all the all the all the gestures that come with a very exciting bahrain. Grown i am i have not slept at all. It's it's a problem. But is also signifies how exciting it was always excited that. I had such euphoria over the grumpy that i fell asleep and wake up at eleven o'clock the next morning. That's how excited. I was water diets. We're gonna talk about the bahrain growing pretty what it means for the rest of the season plus formula mcginley. How did you go your tepes. These ramp did you. you should have tipped. That's all to come on this episode of box of neutrals sponsoring books. Balls twenty percent tubman shipping code bucks of neutralist dot com. That's twenty percent off with free shipping. It manscaping dot com and use the box of neutral will. Thank you read. It's good that it's done a good race because there's not another race to him for a little while which is good news all around. I think you'll agree. I'm happy about that. And quite frankly there's a few other three. Am sort of groans. Pray ustralian nathan. Daylight savings time acquaint on right on the of queensland exactly yeah yeah that i'm not convinced will will occur in two hundred twenty one so we're on the home stretch of normal grand prix times four the fact that they still let eleven o'clock now. Yeah not ten past. And i do think we will thank ourselves the extra ten minutes ago. Radically changed back to ten pm e to be grateful for whatever you can get in these hard and trying times if we can just go back ten minutes at a time. H say he's a seasons. We'll we back to normal and i'm happy to white if we'll get the outcome in fact we've been happy to why well have we been having to wait. Seven years for the sadie dominance to end. I know we did say this. One ferrari look good in two thousand eighteen and that didn't happen but let's more optimistic because this weekend was a weekend for the former the one optimists yes mercedes one but you really have to pay attention to everything before the last lap to understand why was exciting to beside. He's been on the bandwagon. This season is going to be the best yet ex exactly when we saw mercedes. Absolutely dr appallingly. In barring testing that is one hundred percent the truth why would they sandbag. Why would they lie about their true pace and now they've done they look like heroes at the end of it because they've completely turned around and that was it was a very much a sinking ship. The mercedes team but none. You've done it again. They've absolutely again. There's nothing that they they literally. What they are so good they righted. That shift told me that stuck in egypt subway. We've all my coffee. Beans and petrol even realize evergreen was actually a toto wolff. Incher exactly look at the. Why sort of that ad only six days. Somebody's the half refloated. Judgeship didn't notice the evergreen ship painted in patrolling the screens. So i saw that one. It's all of the plan. It's beautifully right and how good it's exciting to that as in might just be perfectly stage-managed by mercedes to look bad but we never rice finally only half a second big difference between stage managing fixed alleged absolutely no copyright trouble with the one copy not fix but speaks now is in its repair supposedly positive fix because jerry jones look and look. Don't even worry about track limits on really want to but we can talk about that one later. This is big big big deal not just because the rice was good not just because it was enjoyable but because it seems like and forget about praises testing we speculated about that. Let's look at the rice results and the practice results results. Red bull racing knowingly has maybe the quickest car they do have the quick maybe even a quicker engine which is true. If you look at qualifying not only was redbook quicker. I think all of the spade traps but the mercedes powell unit was derating towards the end of the strikes whereas the ribble wasn't it. Seems like honda by phosphor. Winning a whole year of development has made a good engine and which begs the question was in everyone. just keep a year of development in engine development. If it means you get the foster engine correct. Yeah exactly And do to do skip an entire year of development then withdraw from the program. Red bull have the the hard work that surrounding at this point at the acoustics in this catalogue we were going to bring it up tactically until the other person victory. You heard that those shot in the back. This is like I feel like this is melvyn comedy festival. Sort of podcast originating. Because it's very open. We would have this many fans in as well to go to side. I was recording in a in a dungeon last week as well so you couldn't tell the difference so i'm i'm talking about one hundred twenty so i'm back to normal again. I felt constrained. I felt limited so to speak in this bus yes. I'm very honda. I'm glad that there's been no settlement for them to slide and until to quique work at the mathematics of how just giving developers mains breaking the rules leaving mixed. You don't have to pay the consequence. it's exactly right once the championships one off. I'm pretty sure that's in the enrolls. This is good news of course for the season role. Should we be more cautious. Though because as much as this was a very good result i mean. The cars are very evenly matched. Yes red bull had the edge qualifying boss. They've that's the way it looked in preseason testing as well so you can kind of read that into it but mercedes recovered a lot since preseason testing and look i mean louis magin lewis. Hamilton exaggerating man. Various expected to be twice as bad in qualifying and they've closed that much gap. Bahrain also attract mercedes has typically not done that well on. It's usually just being there engine performance. It made them look good days couple and the causal being good. I'm worried they were going to imola and actually they're going to be a little bit a again. Yeah well the first randy's always that's strange and unusual and they sort of get everything out of the why. This sort of the null of i have the rust on rusty voice that they have from praise all the way through. The first runs always wheat. So you always have to discount it. Let's let's especially in get winning. The australian grown pray and now he's not doing well in an nested in the rabbit but just maybe like after the bogey is added of the wife special medal. And maybe the maybe it'll be the opposite by the song for everybody concerned. Maybe we'll find out the mercedes. He's really crap man jerry. It could all change. Most like ran with a grain of salt would help many races. Do you think it would take for people to get tied of the staff and dominating with red four because because because then because you may it'd be mortified if you if you're in a in a in a rage in that takes the scots bolt if one fade because then nell do endless analysis of what's why is it all going wrong for lewis. Hamilton has the north who'd gone. We should be just you. Don't get it back till you actually finished you. Gotta you're in the middle of form the one campaign you dine. It's like a president. He can't be arrested jailed in the middle of you have to finish it. I they make it all happen. He can only use the knighthood during the off season. I think that would be. I think about a month is probably a bad correct seven. Let's talk about this guy. Sports country with just a second. Because you're absolutely right. That's i'm fearful of that. It's very cruzi for them with hamilton winning. Because everything's being in equilibrium. But the number of times. I heard the phrase for the neutral fame. It was good. That got yeah. That's not good. I mean i know the british broadcaster but they also broadcast in most of the english speaking country correct defector fades provider in canada. You'll probably wondering why throw qualified. Not why i told you about nicholas latifi. he's coffee sponsorship is just. I'm worried we going to get a lot of for the neutral fans. I look even though then. Of course twitter all been did now. We would check the bank balances chicks but yeah. It's very price for a sort of he. Not the horse is a good service. Yes i it's very dangerous territory when you're just reporting it's very fox news behavioral general people can see it in. I want starting to good people that let's put that right side robot even if you know violet books dot com boo it out big box talking dog from the simpsons. I assume that's one of the presented. Watch it but i assume that's what's happening. The dog i think yes. What's one lasted running on the track things. Didn't they take one of them keeping after the dog. They've feral dogs and wild wild it loose still the loose. The gangs of dogs have to take one domesticate it make it the mascot yes like like an olympic met. Yes holly as fats i was. She's milly mealy that's a that's are very good so they have the one that a lot of the statue of limitations possibly. Surely we could climb back. Fats is i think we can break. We needed third member on the show again. Most fetzer well look out the next couple of weeks. We'll see what happens in these equity room. You'll never know what's up here. Look let's talk briefly. we've we watch the race. You saw the highlights. There's not a lot we can add to how exciting that final was the final couple of laps. Yes with stanford take at one point and had to give it back. It's actually mentioned this briefly. Should he have given it back or should he have just tried to build the offset like you said. I think i fell asleep at this point. Let me explain. what are you saying. Fifty four was very possibly on the outside of tune. Four went off the track off track. I've heard about this limitation saga Then he was told neutral observer fan the neutral fan how you feeling about these trade so so awful wheels. All of he's off the clearly off the tracks no controversy better. Obviously not on the line not not required. Yeah it's automatic now. anyway in. The background of the team was told by race control. You should probably give that back teams all team. He gave it back on the back straight and then immediately try to take back but obviously didn't because hamilton. Rex never got another challenge after that he was close but he never launched to move but the controversy well. This part is controversial. He said afterwards should have left him out to build up five seconds and hope. The penalty was only seconds and then he would've won the rights but of course it would have backfired painting the that is risky. Take it but that's what a good sporting director does he just got. Well if we just stay on track we we'll get. We'll get some kind of penalty but world's what's going to be worse losing the chance of gaining that place back organically or do we still get or even worse. We drop back but we still get a penalty for it all like and i'm i'm glad first of all he gave it back. Not because i care about not important because at least it was decided on the track even if your maximum step and not one of sky sports neutral fans not sky sports quiet. Australians but because everything happened in the course of the rights because how hiding vein if you already looked lost because he went off the track. Because you couldn't do whatever raising you wanna say specifically lost he lost would be much more exciting if you took the checkered flag five. Four second be demoted after they need someone just with a walk. Hold saying i don gonyea actually crossed the line first. But then you've actually it's i. Don't mind the element of self policing when when you know you've done the wrong thing as well and at least that boise some some sort of credit as well see. It's not double jeopardy. I think if you can always awful to do the right thing and let him past. Imagine he doesn't breaks another rule somewhere down. The line always be asked you woods against him but this why everyone's happy maybe it's because he did. That student cost several years ago and he thought about what it must be like. The whoever the students with this is through stressful. I don't want exactly so it was fine so everything worked at the end. There was controversy about track limits during the rice. I really care because the rice was good. Yes and that's all that matters. Then you say and this is the point. Everyone's making for literally decades he said when the writings good only out of crap not important. Yes kids nine tires. And which causes because all the conversations about the and said any good or this is going to be boring. Or what or mercedes boo or what's up with the russian. Not so russian flag hostage one car now would who kids because the rising was good. Because that's all the matters rice. Let's talk briefly about teammates. Sergio parents almost got elderly abroad. That's almost without to failure. Automous rice for bought asked. He was disappointed that he wasn't given a better strategy to contend for the win some might say should have been close did. What's the netflix episode of drive to survive in belgium people. I always had a lot of sympathy as quick. Yeah and you do just sucks when you take night. It's like well you could have won the world title. Unfortunately no next to you. One and four times over would have killed them to cape david. Cool dad for an extra executive told invent the car. While didn't i guess does not. And i think it's going to be difficult you've bought ass because if this is as has been hyped not only by a fun but also by us in the last fifteen minutes that this could be very close championship the biggest loser. Here's to lose the championship. It's valerie tests going ahead of. I ended up third in the rice. And you'll say third budget him going. How did the mud teammate. He caught of ours. I thought he got here. He's seek as as well but from all the cans. He was talking about how he lost so much of fitness because because able like year bet people are not being funny here. The lung damage. That comes with it and todd actually Recovered from that henson could save ably possibly very what's on the back foot in terms of he may be through three four. Am even further behind timothy's cardiovascular fitness. Just just just hypothesizing not fact. Doctor call eight advice in general and don't take stock market tips for me yes. Haas performance is not indicate to perform. Exactly you wanna talk about shaving noise hayes white for that anger that look very qualified when it comes to that. of course. we're talking about the sheep last week and then you're going to be careful. What kind of this sick. I am sure they used an alternative shipping crash. Because it's fast and free time williamson. The suez was it the suicide. It was catch so yeah so hamilton has grown a virus. Still kicking us air. He's very good isn't he. Yes he's probably. The biggest thing city appears on the other hand had at first bad weekend qualified eleventh very elbow nissim gasoline in the pre gaselee. Probably alexander would be glad. I wasn't there that weekend because it would have been made. Yeah it would have been the same story. All i would have been just like you. We go again. He drove a very good right. So you started from the people i am. Because he's cost. shut down on the formation. would you don't want and he recovered fiefs great rights. The 'cause obviously very good we know this. I think it's i think it's great. I bet the red bull. The i feel like if they're going to strike this is the year to do it because it's the same liveries. The last. they won the championship outside the one that lost all this championship. Hang the last livery. That i wanted to the machine it was matsudaira has performed in fifteen did because the infiniti thing purple. It wasn't good. So i went on another successful pit bull. That's fine it doesn't matter. It wasn't a good job but every every but cheap never been math. Always been hard gloss. Shame or staff. Never yet tell sean kelly ferrari to ditch the heart. The doesn't work rid this. No good get rid of the wheat grain on the just can't believe that actually talk void. I thought they were going to incredible. It's count for our list But yes so and grain. Qasr haven't won a world championships into the licensed is and that was very long before predated. Many things one but in terms of a modern era red bull. I think this is the to do it. Because that fisher coal the biggest cool yeah year. Coal happen to win the title this year. Mikey or smoky might just be confident. It's not smoking in terms of the honda. Hopefully i'll look helton was still win and quite frankly actually wants him to on of one at and i want to ask the why new you don't wanna say it anymore. 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Yeah very granted the line team does we think the the locks has affecting the sort of the ba- the balancing off the sean and delivery. So we need to have. That's why we need to gotta even though we need a guy to clean the pallet. Just the normal two in the afternoon. If you're in europe lucky he saw with the lighting's okay. We'll be able to tell them. Well funnily enough. I kept diffusing mercedes did i wasn't which funny people calling it. The green mercedes berry aren't stop. Complaining do me wrong. I like the team fine people have different opinions. Once i've watched drive that Try to survive the low reich. The that everyone loves talking about heard the word much since it was a tv show abc. Then it's affecting them worse than everyone else which looked to be a possibly true but the every they had him on the neutral fan scott spot at one and every time they crossed him. He's like look the rules of really hurt us in particular and it's surely the answer is drive is alon stroll or sebastian vital. Not so good. Yes surely as a drive of problem as well yeah. The ship has sailed italy silent. It's rotated in the bills. Yes great and it's actually fascinating and moldy concerning well. Let's talk about sebastian. Biddle because this is meant to be the reset if he like and look. Things unraveled for him in qualifying because of yellow flag. Actually i was going to say it's not his fault. But then he spit on the flags. Man he's evolved but it didn't. It wasn't great. He scored five points. I said in the intro. Five penalty points in one weekend. You're only get twelve new attain news. I can't remember it's like a revolt look garage on this formula. One someone to play that role is is it suppression vitals tune. A concerning start he needs to sort of have good in needs to finish more than one in as a finish higher than tenth at some point to get the ball rolling. Because it's not. It's not a great initiation into. Yes ferrari ease their own special case but i had a double points finish so it's and i must thoughts on. Colossians has the fixer informing the one the fact that the the ferrari same actually acceptable. The actually incompetent near. It's just. it's just a funny coincidence. Special vittles not at that time anymore. Yeah it's it's an interesting instance. You're absolutely right. I think as well i mean. The team didn't help vittles course must be said he started. He did a one stop. Strategy last. Because of this. Speeding on the double yellows in qualify. And no one does want substance bahrain. But you also couldn't help but feel that had is being the car like you know he loves ties. He loves using the times and using them. Well that was. I just thought they were treating it as if he was pairs in the car. And not only the question mockeries card form. Four time world champion. Yes but card form but also. He was saying coming to this rice that he was underpaid because they had seventy testing problems and they didn't do enough laps and give him these difficult strategy. So i just feel like that whole team because remember last year. They had the should have been food. Right negle- penalized points probably difference. But they also didn't execute very well. And i wonder if getting in a guy who has not executed very well recently. He's only gonna make everything worse near the sort of like for example. So your car. Markle that you that you have it. Ninety ninety ice was top of the line. Nfl twenty three thousand dollars v. reach like absolutely you cannot justify. You can't look at me in the eye and say i want twenty thousand dollars for that car. Want us hotel. Why w ridiculous lucky to get three hundred dollars. 'cause records i that's the vital variable equal drive. You give you six hundred stay. Pots of being very good. Girl i watched should sometime in the girl. Courage but Yes they buying the invisible that he's lawn of credit. These last credit check was in the two thousand thirteen yard very long time ago. Afterpay exactly the other thing. I'm not as about asked thing that annoys me about acid matted is is the the on social media accounts they all do the special vital so yeah now we finished third said i finished sixteenth today. Not very good. We need to do as the camera things very much lawrence straw the good boarding thing. A lot of barrel dan. The camera sort of Things video style in moscow to do. Do i feel about it. It's not the whole thing is the difference between finishing sixteenth aware of especially finnish. Mind in the rice. I don't wanna look down. It's uncomfortable to look down. The barrel of a camera took like four tixx. Skip the ferrari. No let me exactly. You wouldn't have day would have no social media and that's okay that's fine mclaren looks quite good. Let's talk about mclaren briefly dig hoping to consolidate foods in the championship from last year on the evidence of what we say in one way gained it seems like they are on track lender. Norris was pretty comfortably finished fourth. Whatever it was really well. He had a ripa weekend very clean weekend. Got to be joined. The tubes diffley lanos weekend over ricardo's and year ricardo's now that it was like he's moved to read sort of bank of credit. Where it's just like you've got a handful of rises to get your head around these because it's again now he's just from ground zero and review how long it actually took him to actually get up to speed with the rain. I yet slightly different story. But the release the mclaren should be. It's certainly genuinely quick. That right of development you would hope will be a little bit quicker and can find confidence and eventually it all. Click again for him. But yeah if you had to pick between the two. If you're a neutral observer fan you would have to sign that linda. Norris absolutely keeps a but isn't that bad. Was it that much all is just. Don't forget this is. This is ye three land at mclaren so he is in the sweet spot. He knows the team back front is noise on the car is like at least fundamentally and now that it has the messiah on the back of it i. They've indicated that the switch through mercedes was absolute absolutely the wrong coal. I guess the good thing for ricardo. He's also looking at what the red white and blue team the western blogs alpine tame malaki. And he's going. I'm glad that i. Oh boy that bullet and had that awkward conversation with zero and just going out because it was between the two mclaren hundred over. Let's briefly mention his wealth. And endo alonso. hal pain here. yes he's race was undone by a sandwich bag parents lee and the brake ducts. that excuse is surprisingly common. How many people putting sandwiches and bad well were even fans and bahrain. Many isn't littering. An offense would've thought say yeah. I mean look. It's maybe singapore piper bag again. It's great environmental message. It they maga- just would have burned up and disintegrated endo loans rice. Would it would be none the wiser tip. He's got the plastic bag it's melted fix the cooling and won't have you. It's a it's funny just just back. He's just it isn't it. I was thinking the same thing today. It's like he was in the rice. He was sort of any retired. And i forgot about it. Because i i tried to. I'll we did actually enjoy the rice. And i was just i have enough. It was like it was very. Like i was like well three in the morning and dunk long by then but i had a dream and i thought this was true. Just went oh what it did estimate icon win the grand prix. Also what are we feeling about this rice. I feel like something we'd happen and then opened the results guy. Harrelson nothing sir. Thank you very good phone after being rear ended by abacha. Beverly it was. Let's wrap this one up briefly by talking about we tell you what the if we find a positive haas's form is good news for williams very good positive because yeah at least we'll have to drive have been around the bush in the former one mean from as in the Which genuinely actually scared me that crash just please. Not again but Yeah for for for that to happen. Obviously make being his first race as well and again watching that. Drop to survive episode watching the context. It's sort of well okay. So you've gone from paying too competent drivers To to represent your team and now let's let's face it. The the drivers bringing revenue into the tape. One certainly more than the other and they're both rookies as well. Competent rookies assigned the terrible drivers. Where i'm just saying that curves that they have to learn about formula one enhance off. It is what to do with because arrow because yeah i. It's just. It's a band aid solution. And it's just it's just it's a gushing blaze haas have and the putting tissue paper over at the moment it's not gonna work and yeah we'll the believing he's not on. The floor is still occurring the something wrong. It's to tame feeling lightheaded changing again. Just there's just hoping problems across yup lets the money problem. No worries geez. We're gonna be no. We need the points shave. Let's let me run. Such as cystic. Spy vinegar i read them online mind from nikki nikita pin nikita hospital. Visit it. he's rice. He is now officially done more formation laps than has done lapsing a rice. Yes true lost only three combined arguably more than veltri bought houses second pitstop lasted longer than the heat observers rights. He's not he's not stop because you'll be depressing. Mix you macaroni. Finished forty seconds. Thirty six forty seconds off the next crisis car. He had a couple of spins in their ice. And that's not necessarily slow on him and i don't wanna make it sound like the doubted makes the hero because they both rookies like you said it's not car is also just not good just not even saw literally everything against you it is. I can't even begin to tell you. What the psychology would be. Imagine you working at hossam engineer mechanic niece. You work your guts out. Like chances of is going to be rebuild. At some point because someone the wall on friday or saturday before qualifying. Let's water warm. We're not gonna get any points it actually would be cheaper if we just packed up and just went The money just intern withdraw every right. Yeah famous nascar thing. Sorta just turn up to a couple of well with my two hundred dollar paycheck and then off we go. It's the that that's a. That's a tough slow. It would be if you work there. You would have one january twenty twenty two circles counting down on your phone for way and all the resources going into next us car because it's going to be a long long. Look if you jane hi would. If at some point lawrence drawl cold you up and said you know laura iraqi. He's a good morning. I would like to buy not here. He surely did the oscar end. And gary you for. Sally j like it'll be going geez we could be s and mazda now. This wouldn't be my problem anymore. Conduct corporate america racing on a factor. Circuit the Which that was fascinating. But it wasn't a look at that point following tracking give it a crack raleigh. A first one. You're listening to greek some the roof. We've talked about the bahrain grand prix. But now it's time to talk about the bahrain formula mcginley. Pray whatever you want to see a good formula one win. The the tv provider is a more painful experience watching. So let's let's be grateful for that this way now forming gimme of course for those uninitiated amongst us ease the books of neutral fantasy competition using the official f one fantasy amp which is slow on phones and computers. We don't get we don't get paid for fantasy not a quad technology and how good it is and i'll never eat out a team but we're using it for better or for worse because pretty comprehensive and look. There are so many other options out there that it'd be overwhelming. Sometimes you don't sometimes choices in good sometimes capitalism. You don't want someone to tell you what to use in this case. I'm happy to accept these. If you want to join and you should. Because last year we go to almost five hundred entrance. We're already well past half white. That target five hundred which. I'm glad to say but you still time to join because the seasons blahdy long. You've got plenty of time to catch up box. Neutrals dot com the formula mcginley button the fantasy if one date houser are on their the code and the password and the link and all those kinds of things. You know how easy it before. But let's have a look at the results from the bahrain grand prix. And i can tell you i'm not gonna read you out the rules. Oh my god this website. It's terrible what's happened. Why the rules come up here. We go okay i say. Let's talk about the bahrain grand prix. The winner of the bahrain grand prix informing mckinley. Was chris from the chris. I can't read out knives. I had about even through the senses. You often a woman you all. It's awful. I you want to find out what his name was. You can go and look like can you give me a clue cookie. Just showing me all based on decatur. Hasn't been so you can guess way. The directions going All tell you who's on each disgraceful athletes means very slow. So yeah mac stephan pretty good landowners pretty good. We didn't finish mixed remax long him george. Russell didn't school but he had mercedes on his tame and norris was. He's terrible dry. And max was. He's mega driver or me. Can't stand for anything else. Am monday driver. He was good crash. That's a comprehensive team. It's one that he scored the most points even though he's name come on chris second also from the uk kid. Hamilton and chief see family friendly. I can read that. Not the whole show doesn't have to be a man. skype data. again we don't have to talk about testicles with a hole fifteen minutes whatever it's going to hamilton peres norris off on and russell and aston martin was he's teams also pretty high scoring games pretty pretty decent and in third place from the united states it simply moose run by cameron k. Surnames on this app. Let's have a look at. He's tame comprise maximus tappan klay landau norris ghezali george russell and red bull racing. So all we can see like a trained among these top three teams. I've got a couple of drivers who unlikely to score any point. Boss have some very strong Other drivers usually have a pretty good team last month. That's pretty twists. In my opinion. I'll tell you what's happened by tame it's very close to the bottom. I even winning and studied after practice and thought is choosing drivers daniel ricardo guiseley surger perez esteban passionate wild team. Red bull racing was my tame. Didn't go very many points. I'm ranked two hundred eight out of more than one hundred and fifty scored only one hundred thirty one points compared to the later who scored two hundred and fifty three rope. Who's has your tame gone. Now nasa me to create one. I'm not in the box of can't get you Go to boxers dot com hitomi about information. What's the league code. I know i. I actually i do. It's in my yaro one. One four four or three hang on. This is just like listening to the radio. That's not what the league is. A league numbers even more than that looks. Got dot com. That's hang on. Let me just experience. The experience live by neutrals. Bucks of neutrals dot com. Yes yes very simple case in yet. The man formerly known as paid mcginley refused to opt to. Php mutual website is not as fast as it could. But it's all right. The website works is. That is the minimum betty. Happy with that. But it doesn't always happen here. We got the kite entering it now in here. I'm quite happy with what team. Kinda wish up with them. In for the bar and very Just you do that. I've talked mcginley into our list of teams. And i can tell you that. There's a very healthy number of entrance. I'll tell you that we not from switzerland of taming. This way is beginning. Don't change your name to include mcginley finished. That's not sporting so far we've got leading pierluigi mcginley on two hundred thirty six points. This second mr mcginley's more abundant masters. He's tenth overall from the united states. The dingo beginning that's culturally topical books volvos a fundraising brilliant rising. We rice's mcginley's reference and he from one so very good. He's still a big fan of the supercars. He's very much was in the photo as well which is coming with a little bit self away. It's turning libby like alan russell news report much hashtag cetera. Mcginley very good from australia. I'm going to say duga or do one hundred forty i in the rankings from the uk. Economy conroy come on. That's where at two hundred and sixty six which is good staff we need. We do need some more. But i'm happy with that will hopefully hit the halftime. This you yes and can i just say ranked one hundred fifty second l. from australia. He's clearly going on the dock. Web or raiders. One or the other and figured out exactly what's going on with the staffing of box of neutrals. He's nine which i will read out once and we'll never mention it again is give us an mcginley back. 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Leicester Gift Top 4 to Tuchel

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Leicester Gift Top 4 to Tuchel

"Welcome is the latest addition. Espn afc. i'm dan. Thomas joined by shock a heslop in the studio so much going on today. I don't even know what's happening to be honest. Hopefully we'll keep you on track. This is going on. We'll be reflecting on your vendors booking a place in the top four napoli unable to get it done against ronan. We'll be discussing the feature appreciate her. Now though who has dropped to the bench full that game we'll also be talking about the title race in france which went right down to the wire. But let's start showy in england as you outcome in native st nikko with us when little and chelsea will be in the champions league season side manchester united manchester city. A crazy all day in england liverpool with the most comfortable. Ap chris so panelist to nil. Meanwhile chelsea beats him by aston villa two one but in the end that didn't matter less the city at one stage where two one up against the spurs spurs coming from behind to be the my full goals to meaning that lasts. The city will be in the europa league next season. Such stevia native with us. Not many of predictive would've predicted tv. That was the way that final day was to plan. We'll predicted end up. But certainly none of us thought of the drama particularly we're less and chelsea the would end up getting their incredible. The biggest short for me with chelsea losing i wrote chelsea were were buying on to develop one less. Wasn't that surprised the flute jaded in my opinion. Recently the size of the squad they handle the just the length of the league season and all the other cup competitions and so for them to lose isn't particularly a shock but chelsea absolutely a shock. But it doesn't really mar because with less delusion chelsea around and as we say they are little it really was never endow tones. Had a little sniff on never took the opportunity and as soon as money schooled than The game was over for me so and then we will. We'll predicted four. We did predict how it's going to end up on the back. Simone staving outdone. Meanwhile nadim chelsea really really getting away with it. Yeah one hundred percent. I think as on the same side it's tv. I fully chelsea going to go and get the business done today so behind and to be losing in the way that they did for them to get so look is to let the city manager. When at home you know. It's crazy. But i think the thing that makes it particularly interested in from the left perspective with the fight. They would have seen the chelsea. We're losing so those last few moments last twenty minutes. That's the last half hour you know. They had to go all out. I don't think they up losing by that scoreline a big surprise to me but ultimately as we've seen that if they just run out of steam at the moment from for chelsea goes yeah. We saw it again today. We've known that all season long. I'm chelsea desperate. Need of a striker. It couldn't have been more evidence than than what you show today when you have teams as villa did who want to sit back defensive deep invite that pressure on they simply don't have anybody with dot strikers instinct who can find species who the ball just seems to drop to and that's why t muna been as much of a disappointment as yes and very nearly dot. Lack of a strike all to movement is lateral four nearly cost chelsea. Chump is just because they don't have that that one player which is why chelsea continued to be linked with every single strike of who's available at any single price from holland to keith. I know some along for this exact. Yeah it was a flat performance from chelsea rules. Stevie given what was on the line stephen harris me because just don. Oh good stevie. I was asking you about chelsea and about how they were flat. Considering what was on the line. I don't know what the flats wad the web at the best agree. I think i think it really all their problems. Really all baldoni the same thing. Just what you're talking about the fact the really the really look izzo. The struggling in front a goal. We always talk about people like cain and when the three on the goal. If i start watching because you know the going to score you know about like allison pulling goal when somebody's going through the shackleton you just you just gonna make save well whenever chelsea create chances regardless of whether it's half us over pulisic zion may be. He always get the feeling that you know. I watch says cozy. I think they're going to score. And and if we're thinking that i'm sure thomas tickled at some stages senator a bench thanking the same thing every time they create an opportunity because they do create. Johnny's just can't take them right now. I'll tell you what if they don't take them next week clearly was only one one of the champions league. I love him. We all came through. On what i was fishing off. Now we're going to go without. Not even the meanwhile for less than so much made of the fact that is kind of history of painting itself so what happened last season so much time in the top four but surely there's evidence of a lack of depth. I would say so. I think for key points said they miss plays throughout the and i. It was a big mess for them but then to talk about something specifically in the last few weeks i think what happened in terms of them being involved in ethical final against shells and all the emotions involved in that but then to then go and play chelsea away from home just a few days later. That was distressing. Invest squad was just couldn't come by from on is shameful them because as i saw the fa cup fell almost a doll inside of say body outside of the top six. Then you look at the game today and when they really really need a big performances big result against the spurs side brilliant. They let themselves down. It's a it's a shame for them. But that's the thing if you want to be up near that's open to consistent you need to have the resources and those resources tend to get squad debt as we've seen in in the fight this month city of when the league by using probably twenty place anti to outlay show fifteen minutes ago. That's tough break for less city. Ride know how they're feeling right now. After being in the top four for pretty much all of the season but for the last few last moments repeating history repeating from last season and that was a big concern thought last season the pandemic right where they were in the middle of a very good run and then couldn't couldn't rediscover that form this time. It was just too much of an oscar especially the couple but we had a question mixture time a few days ago down and we were asked. Would you take every cup on and missile. Tony top four or reverse and and i said personally i take the africa especially when you re talking about the keble glasses city who never won that title before so as much as much disappointment as they feel right now give it to week. Look back on on the season tatty and that they again route wrote history. It would be europa league coming in for next season and that will take some. I guess justin to but all oil for the club. We're talking about the size the history that they made for themselves. I really do think you have to be happy with the season native. Yeah i was gonna say. I agree with you as far as the league situation goes. I think it's office to swallow. Here's the fact that they dropped out on the last day i think if they say chelsea position hoping liverpool's position hoping to break into the top four. I think you can look at positives. And say we won the cup and we just missed out on this leicester city. You've been an insult floor. For as long as i can remember so for them to be able to drop out based on the less eight thirty minutes of their season. I think you have to be devastated. I think it will take a wild rose saw to overcome this feeling but when they do the ethical being there is going to be huge. Like i say they've literally crumbled in the last possible. Second nothing for everybody that really affects you. You're at the city game of course trophy presentation is they will crown from your league champions. Was there a tear in your eyes. You said goodbye to go right to my absolutely he won. I couldn't is upping the fight bay. He was coming on the. Us thinking please please score. Then he schools that first goal which is so him was so clinical and just train drill just a passenger slums into the corner. And then before you know. He's scored a second and the whole stadiums excited because they believe sergio guerra could finish his league time a city with a hat trick and it just goes to show how how good he is. You know you look at this goal here. It's just it's like he's just in the one hundred nine hundred four goals for this. Football club in the premier league is absolutely inside considering what city were looking at the clock that can afford to have a place called sewage and sixty goals for the club on the bench. I'm be letting them go. Having says a lot about how far they've come but he's such a significant of history every single one of these goals as much of the most the club and he scores every type ago. I mean look at the target in the box. Look at the low poacher and stuff like this and he wasn't too far from book for grisafe from jordan and fixing so gray occasion and the best thing of all for me. Was this game forever in men something because if they won they could qualify for the uefa conference. Legal thing whatever it's called but they were nowhere near today because city really put them on the back foot for the vast majority of the game so even though there was in theory nothing to play for technically because when the league there was still clinical and now they head to the next game the champions league final in a with a good feeling and in good form whereas for chelsea a one off game for them next week and they can hope to do well but the last memory is cities was nine pap afterwards. A complete rack guero. Yeah interests in this. So i realized guardiola and of sergio guero pequot. Sergio guerrero go is like to be so emotional. If you want him just keep him. But ultimately you know they've got in play and looking the long term nature of the club and it's a shame suggest something. The highlight of the day for me to gave all the media. People wanted these this on ebay softening money. Listen you can find me for sure is more than available. Tv's excited by a cheaper replica. They gave the press with twenty twenty one in horrible cove. Letters natives very excited about crooked lts from generally emotional. I don't think he's. I don't think he's faking. Such as i say you look at the bigger picture and it a strange one because yes sergio's leaving but says you didn't ask to leave like sergio's essentially being sold that he has to leave so you know keep him you could maybe keep him. That would be nice. But i don't know. I suppose the time release course and sits here looking forward and looking at bringing the next young play all the next grey striker. The next may be the next guero so guess. The future is bright for the club with. Let go of somebody. That's got that type of history and legacy with the team because to be honest as as sorta in the stadium like everybody was that to celebrate him in the last ten years even though julian as well i saw him in the stunt see. Psg game on. Thank you very much guys. Made them in steve. Pack of course extra time. Be sure to check that out over on our youtube channel. Where they they will be on during your tweets. Espn nfc is brought to you in part by progressive. What's one thing. He purchased with a little extra savings weighted blanket smart speaker. That newsouth can't trained you. Keep hearing allows well progressive. Wants to make sure you're getting what you want by helping you save money on car insurance drivers who save by switching to progressive. Save over seven hundred dollars. 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Because napoli playing against verona. But nothing to play full. Couldn't get it done napoli. They manage a one one. Draw so as you who qualify for the champions league napoli have to make do with the europa league. Well let's welcome in. Shall we got mal coffee and klinsmann yoga biggest story few from today i would say the biggest story is Not putting that making it in top four because they headed all all they even took them a while to get into the game and finally they broke to broke the moment of the one nil. And gotta hold onto that. You've got to find a way to deal with that and and get those three points. I mean this is a really awesome for the city of napoli the entire club not getting now into the champion league beheaded in their own hands. But you can see how big the psychology of psychological factors in in soko. You couldn't you couldn't say you know. The players were kind of denver frozen. They were not free in their minds. They were nervous. They were scared to fail. And that's when you get to fail then you're gonna end up failing and that's what happened. Do not believe today. So i guess it's the biggest story of today. Yeah just around for that whole game. Didn't it gab. napoli never really got going at all. Yeah very disappointing. Didn't create sufficient chances. vidana came to play But i'm sure we'll get to this for me. The biggest story is the one that's linked to this. Which is the decision by reputable to leave out. Christiano renaldo because now with hindsight everything went well. Everything's fine but equally you know he couldn't have known ahead of time not believe we're going to draw points and just imagine if they hadn't piled those goals on the in the first half and casino comes on later and it was a classic walkaway away a fool or a king type situation from and it worked out for him now. Events is to selling as a panel discussion and decided it was best for him to be arrested for this game. Maybe you arrested him for the ups championship. But i'm pretty sure that that the ciano now though doesn't want to get any rest i mean he's restless for goals. He wants to score. He wants to have his say. In determining you know how a result ends up you know you wanted to take his team into the champions league and get his job done so i think he was pretty surprised that they had that conversation so it ended up well. He rented the ended up. Okay for interstate made it. They got an atop top. Four saw is maybe. It's time for now. The coffee pillow implicit but definitely. It's a huge deal because obviously everybody questions now. How does this story continue. What is your vendors doing a pillow. Is he saying obviously the situation. Cristiano renaldo big statement from pillow gab. In what is the final day of the season. it's a huge and it's got so many other repercussions because just imagine be look at sac. Which is which is a possibility. You don't even getting qualified. Would mean costano. Rinaldo his stays and again. I think it's very likely that that he decided to stay. It would mean the casino would is four years and you would have four different managers which is definitely not what he signed up for. I think the end this works out. I think you cristiano obviously disappointed but you just have to look at the pictures of him. Late in the game him in bucci on on on the bench looking at the pictures from naples being so turns away celebrated. He's a professional and he always wants to play. He didn't get to but in the end it worked out. He knows if he stays. He's gonna play next season. Maybe walk jonah. Would want most is a little bit of continuity. Staying event is working with law and being part of the project for the next year. So you know. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that everything's gonna work out four and together together. Uv even shit. You've a stick with pillow. Well i personally obviously looking from the outside hope so because it was his year one as the head coach of un. he won two titles leak up and copied. Talia got them now in the last game into the champions league. Obviously it's not what they really aim for the imf. The title they wanted to ten title which now into milan interrupted that serious. And but he's still in the learning process you know. He's a young coach. I think if you would talk today to under their pillow and you kind of discussed entire year. How it went for him that he learned so many things in this year and he keeps on learning he keeps on growing as a manager and and that can only get better important is that the team buys into that process. The club buys into the process that you know that everybody covers each other and the way every one of us has strengths and weaknesses. So in in this kind of a bigger picture of a club in a team you always need to cover up weaknesses of somebody else and you bring in your own strength. So appeal has a lot of strengths and lot of playing experience. He won the world cup. That was a huge player. he keeps on growing. So i personally hope to stick together and they point next season. Meanwhile from gab. How significant is this big picture that they qualify for the champions league choosy significant. It's a big part of the projects that owners elliott put together. You know it's gone more slowly. I think than they would have liked partly because of financial fair play and the absolutely disastrous situation in terms of losses that they inherited from the previous ownership group led by leong and even before that the final years of bid was going when you meet them. Were racking up huge losses. And you know they got stuck with a bunch of big contracts. They've they've worked on on on trying to whittle those down they've had some false starts witness giampaolo last season. But they feel that they're now on track and it's very important for them to be in the champions e not just for the champions league money in the prize money but also for the opportunities that come with it. In terms of building the brand getting more commercial sponsorships are really bringing me back to to what they were as one of the leading brands in the world you can count on one finger. The number of teams that have one more european cups meat has so i think in this case in this state and of course. They've got the new stadium. Become as well so in this sense it was really really important for them on fans will be hoping that this will kickstart them being competitive in the transfer market and bringing in some big game. Big names god. How tangible is that. I think lot's going to depend on the two outstanding out of contract players. Hukou children all glue. And of course gijon room. Obviously the donor room hasn't reupped yet is contracts there waiting. I think it would be cute for them to keep him. But you know on have drawn a line saying you're only worth this much and If he moves on salary slot. They've already been linked with mike leon from from lille who was phenomenal goalkeeper. They really like him lewis. Well i think that the the line from from the club is we'd like to continue with with younger players are obviously you might ask. Well then why did you re up slot contract and they'll tell you that there's always exceptions and slot on is is the exception in terms of leadership but The direction of travel undoubtedly is to hang on to hang onto the tomorrow. If you can from from chelsea that miami not be possible. Obviously with cassim benazir internationally who hopefully. We'll have a better season next year then Then we have this year. You feel pretty good about central midfield. And you've got salamanders. Brian diaz rafael. How you have a lot of young talent there and it's a question of making it but but this is very much what they wanna do. They hope they won't have to sell frank casio one of the big big guns but if the right offer comes in. I generally don't think that there's anybody who's who's untouchable. You can put your as aside. It's great isn't it. For italian football in fact football overall to have milan back. Oh absolutely do have both milano teams back in the champions league. Obviously top talk to is has has been a longtime coming their way. You know defensible waiting for a long time for that moment. So so the cds. On a high technology all happy no indefens- milan fans and it's necessary also for for the image and the stand staining of the italian league overall in europe it's huge de both teams are back on top there or obviously your vendors always expected to be there as well. This area is trying hard to kind of build a better image and a beam. Yeah more known all over the place again like there were an an eighties. Nineties was the biggest league in the world and they're trying hard. This gap said rightfully myth bob. Milano trying to build a new stadium for both klopp's basically. Very futuristic design is out there that would make them tremendously proud and happy. But it's a it's a great moment for the city of milano. Thank you very much of course more from gambling. Podcast trump on monday off here. Having checked out the podcast pod. What are you waiting for. We're like right directly in the flight path or helicopters flying in and out of dc voters the dog barking deliveries high level intellectual conversation. Some gambling talk talking with athletes. Celebrities musicians also we got my gosh stanford steve riding shotgun trying to keep me out of the digits download and subscribe pod. Wherever you get your podcast. We certainly appreciate reviews. Subscribe all that good stuff. Didn't suffer lines on the final day of the season. Eight two victory against guaranteed them the french championship beating. Psg by one point gab with us. I think everyone but psg supports is going to be happy fill. It's a tremendous story. I think it shows what you can do. I mean this is a team that bankruptcy this season. it's a team that up changed owners in the middle of the season. Christopher as a phenomenal job. This is a team that you know in the last two years state. They sold rough how they sold. Victor all seamen. They they sold nicholas. Bad they They they sold gabrielle to arsenal. Of course you know. They brought in barack yilmaz. Who don't think he'd ever played outside turkey at thirty four years old. He's been tremendous down the stretch. Obviously they've had jonathan david. I think since he's canadian how i pronounce his name. But he's a patient origin so maybe jonathan davies. I genuinely don't know what he actually calls himself. But he's been phenomenal this season as well Sumatra up and down. They've used this tremendous ability to attract gifted players and and they believe that they believe throughout. Even as you're coming up behind them in the headlights It's just. It's just a tremendous feat. Now you know that this team will be someone's talent will be cherry picked by clubs and you know that people are gonna come christoph culture as well because he's the guy who's really kept it together from a psg perspective gabor. What does this mean. Well it means disappointment for for put your at least at least they won the french cup. So people can point to him and look at his empty trophy cabinet But then again you know. I think there were one point behind when he took over from from thomas to hole and they finished the season one point behind. And what that tells you is you. They were there. Lille was just better than them. Down the stretch you know. He didn't dislike the gop bigger Portrait gene arrived in. Of course they also had that run in the champions league. Obviously the neymars in the bag. They still need to sort out the situation. He does have a year left again. They're always confident by. I think they feel that. They're moving in the right direction with which to you know and and they knew they knew that you know it's not like they lost the title here on this last day of the season. They knew they were behind and they knew given the opposition as well on jay breast. I they knew that it was very likely that it would take a major banana-skin from lille for them not to win the title game on calling. Thank you very much. Lot more from gab. On the latest edition of the gabon gills. Podcast you can that out. New one drops on monday Wnba is on. Its way back playing basketball in a pandemic looks like this. No mask no six feet apart. Took put yourself in. harm's way. It was scary decision. 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Shocker his lot with us here in the studio we also welcome stevie and made them a lot of questions we've had sedan. I've lost the paper. The as questions on shot just fell from moments. Okay i found it found it. What's the what's the pre. Thanks to help me out. Check the free game locker room like and is there any motivational speeches by any of the players or managers. When you're playing for a title or a european spot on the last matchday this anything needs to be set or do the boys know the job. She just let them be stevie. No you don't you try and keep things normal and you try and make sure that everybody does the basics that the being done that's got youth and the position whether it's to win a legal to win a cup final wherever it may be because it ended the day the things that got you there the things that may end make you wanna so. I'm not huge into these big speeches. The only win you win some. They'll see or speech. The truth is just noise. It's getting your basic right and getting of a level of performance on the de staving. Why do you have a massive picture of a well. Why would you have in the house. It's what sorry through flavor in town you know. It's a what coup okay. I'm sorry i don't know why would you just go to scottish can win your house willing to What makes us to having your bathroom saidamazon that. Unfortunately i don't have any. Maybe as the oldest something i'll look into so i appreciate exactly recommend it won't go. Yeah scottish mchugh. I'd always a symbol is what you normally told. But clearly. no. It's mckee noah pool Shocker hey got another one peg one okay yet. Next wife got a picture of a in the ball firmness through the same signs. Why wait you know you have nothing to do with the purchase of anything house. Have you have you ever. Scored an own-goal goal keeper like half since michael. Today she sees michael's right punched in now not not not an official game in a preseason game right. A free-kick came over the many back and went. Okay let's take one native will show. Don't tally like Think i've caught to the first one. I was obsolete devastated by. Because i've gone five six years one and then the ball came in from the coroner's somebody dumped. And it just take me on the name and i was absolutely crushed baltimore. It's part again. Thank you many of them. Stephen beauties crack middlesbrough goalkeeper. David james on that david james. Yeah he's a sixty foot tall much. No to a shocker. And stevie who would you rather have leading your front line wayne rooney. Aw to show the noise well native guero. Give me some all right. Yeah of course. There's only one on say sergio girl isn't it obviously stevie. Yeah i'm gonna go in there just really just eclipse. he's rooney yes I we ruined go with reading ruining hard to see but they die. Why is it hard to say. No why would you choose. Wayne rooney ever guerra. Let's be honest. there's no wrong answers youtube comments. I'm sure we'll disagree. But no. But i'm i'm going with we rooney just feel if there's a game where a need fighter somebody that could be more of a scrapper than right. Yeah that's what you want from. Yeah yeah okay With the last of cities big three leaving now natan who was most influential for them since they saw their run all those years ago. Guero company will silver. I think ultimately up to say guero because Company came in when the club was hoping maybe finish in europe. Then david silva came in the club seeking these flash trophy and so on and guerrero came after on their faker became into take the clubs to that next level and i think if he does manage to say take take part and win the champions league next week then he has done because in the ten years he's been at city for example he's won five league titles. I think it's six league cups maybe two or three. Fa cops so ultimately you know the fact that he scored two hundred and sixty goals as well. I think we take away the emotion. You look at just the tisci's. Sergio guerrero is the number one and probably one of the great strike is primarily exhibited. When man cini panish you to come and train with the kids nadim. Was it just the fact that you were marking guero in training so much he made you look worse than you were classic. Say that. Because i was training with kids before surgery arrived on the came and he didn't realize i was the lowest lows playing on the sixteen. Football's a twenty five year old. Give it a month and we were and then you know. I did some work with him this this week and a separate company and the biggest concern i had was that when i saw him he would let me in the. I remember who i was because we went together but he sold me. He recognized me and the went off without without a hitch whatsoever so even though as a sales training with sixteen by the end i was played with sergio guerrero. From one city in the premier league so he remembered you eventually rubbed me straight to do with slightly pulled out with us like this. And then you know i remember we at hugh jackman on the show. I was big norwich. Foul and i think beat them in the milk cup final as i've played in any way you play football right tomorrow. Actually picked him fos- pick up on it because he went totally. You notice sean. Oh yeah and anyway. Yeah we won the cup and being very friendly are actually tell you put. Football made him. What was it like to share a dressing room with guera even if it was only for a minute a three months possibly for for but like i said. He was a first year when he came to the club. We didn't really understand the history you get to know bought. Initially to be honest he was one of the stars in this space. So he is today's back then and he's still points improves when people are trying to feel him out so it was. It was nice because we knew from when he was madrid. Playing alongside full lines and so on. But like i say looking back now you know you could feel. It was just a little bit different. But let's be forget when he first started city. You're coming off the bench because we still had cost us and people like that so it was He's not the today. Let's say that. Tom deep stevie in an earlier extra time craig said with the quality of player that you were you deserve many more international caps. What frustrations and issues with that with the fa. In your time to kick off we would always kind of we rose before an international weekend. Who was the manager. We come up and see T- really wanna go. We'd be the first question so straight off the bat. You're thinking well if a goal was going to be go against me so what do you do. So that was that was off the bob. I mean can kenny use this kid. We said what do you think i believe you know what. Course when the new regime came in. After eighty-six i can't tell you particularly enjoyed a loyalty goal when i was asked until every now and again we can. Do you want to go. I'd take me all five minutes before the end of the game in the day and then of course the following international that one of a went to the monitor. Its aim we go. You think i'm talking about. Yeah that old check. The one takes you off five minutes before the end year right so in the end liverpool was more important to you than scotland. Saving one hundred percent was sex went. Call the problem stomach yet. Through soon as i came back. I ended up getting an operation told my stomach muscle as well And the following year probably missed. Probably mr seven months over up again and so by that stage. I was beginning to wonder whether there was ever going to be right again so we bread and butter always came. Forced liverpool paid my wages. Scotland was a bonus and so anytime there was ever a problem ever nagel event else and it just didn't go back. Maybe the opposite side of things trinidad we on the plane regardless. Eventually i was threatened with a ban back in ninety four. So i i didn't represent from. Why are they going to bang the plane. A friendly against the us. We lost the we. We lost one nil. November nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine if we join. We're going to the work okay. Because some very strange reason they wanted to play a game. Five years later november. Ninety four to commemorate that loss which meet out which made no sense now. Of course i'm reading on the only goalkeeper on their books. I'm like i'm not coming. Not an international window yes some friendly commemorating again. We lost me makes absolutely no sense to me coming up to do that. And i'm not a f- the uh the time contacted try. Wow check and i British passport said you know i'm british. I'm i'm not. I'm not going not salted bit of a war between myself. And i can't anyone chat between me and i'm jack warner just ti. As a result. Eventually i did go back in in one thousand nine. I'm a youth coach growing up for the head. Coach's job national teams. I saw good ninety nine. Wow from then i. I went when as needed and maybe stay little longer new. I've never did never did now. Yeah definitely not as gareth bio instantly become chelsea hero who and legislative I'm going to say no Spas and chelsea don't get on even though gareth barrels favor today. I don't think they could care less. They seem the probably give him a tougher time as possible. I'm looking forward to seeing that in the future but we shall see where they will be next year titty say afterwards. He couldn't reveal where he was going to go. Because it would cause kale's oh he's just he's a modern day football and knowing you know you can drag store you can make it more dramatic chances. I will probably be around the of the story if we speculate the chaos stevie which clubs should inter. Milan can go there. I think they have won the title again next year. He'll definitely maitland better and so go there. I'm trying trying to do better in europe as well. Okay nadim really a qualified accountant. No i'm not. I'm not that stopped the course after a year did i did. My step till sixteen did my a-levels delay teen. And i did a year of professional accountancy colts and i just thought to myself warner and decided just folk cinema football for low and then you had a sixteen point. So how much do you regret. Not following through. Well three that moment. I knew the exact moment. I knew i shouldn't be doing this when i was in the room. And we trained on. We always try. And hard on the tuesday and i was sitting down. I looked around and it was lots of people who were involved in that work already and they were trying to get to the next stage of that work right. Wants to try and get a raise or something like that to develop themselves. And i thought this is gonna do be no good for the mind just on the weekends. Maybe i should just go. 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Gab and Juls: Tuchel Tops Guardiola in UCL Final

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Gab and Juls: Tuchel Tops Guardiola in UCL Final

"The gab he's jewels. It's sunny blue skies over west london and we have a pop children because european clubs season is over and eat ended with the championship final. Will we got lots to talk about. Because we've got dan coming up later on with his open letter to the fans. Maximum promoted all this stuff. But let's start with the champions league final chelsea winning their second champions league Native minoa was joining us nigga. I'm going to start at the top. Because i'm going to dial it back a little bit and remind people that thomas to came in with. No preseason with no transfer market with very little guy was a super tactical manager. Yeah you move you move. We do this. We do that very little time to work on the training pitch. I think he had the most days off consecutively excluding the international week when his parents weren't there before the champions league final was days. I think and he goes out and he win a championship final. He gets them into the top four for all the talk of all the money that chelsea spent you know. You're still talking about equate those thirty one. Who has his issues. You're talking who didn't play in the first half of the year you talking jugo salva. Who's thirty five and out of contract. You're talking georgina opposing. Nobody likes talking. Kante who is thirty years old coming off injury people because he was fully fit for the final. You're talking team verner. Who can't finish talking to only score it against barnsley and morgan this season. I mean this is what you're talking. Chill will who was in and out with marcos alonso at the start and you're talking james who is magnificent. Of course i can show love because yes. It is a very well resource team. But it's not. His team had no time work. Any fix what he could fix in double quick time. Yeah that's exactly right. I think it was very very impressive. Because when lampard left jesse did seem to be in disarray will probably maybe mid table in the league. You couldn't really see how they were going to get out of it. But then to came in he came in and made them very very solid. From the get go like i think they didn't score some goals. We could see the way that he wanted wanted them to play arrived very quickly. Any go bathroom veteran bathrooms even say didn't necessarily scored on goals in doing so. They probably became one of the tokyo teams to play against them. Stretch when he was there and then you want to that certain individual billions which can exist within the system that he has and they just goes to show like he's got really high school warrior iq and he's got players who have as well because they were able to buy into it so so quickly to see the success. And to thrive on it. You know they were going into that. Game against muncie to knowing that maybe they'd lost a couple of games recently but they like when you see chelsea and you see two sides you know exactly how they're gonna play and the reason is is because they do it to a fall this strategy. This is what they do. They won't do play big diagnose because he doesn't want them by they're box won't be playing long balls to strike his or whatever unless it's the thing that fit that have been sold today but the place fully both into it. I make it almost play blindfolded. Whether i send it back oh defense bouncing monitoring the way starts pass on that message players and they look so so comfortable in champions league final because their jobs were you know. They've been a thousand times before six months have been that he was using credible credit to implement his vision out there with the team and then put chelsea they even though the players were underperforming about not croissant. Duets got back from them and now they're jumping through europe. I mean he's such a demanding manager. He's as really tough. You see him. And there's of cuddles and kisses at the end but in games he shouts. He's very tough is very demanding on why he wants them to do all about details and i think he's done an incredible. We've said already many times on the show in the space of four-month year arrived at the end of january. He is beaten pep guardiola three times annual club and carlo ancelotti andrew zimmern you don and gigolo simoni twice as well. I mean. there's a way where you might not like the style because it's no talk enough all we can always find some flaws in in people's game anyway and this is quite as he has an time to implement his style. I think he's like a firefighter. Who comes and said. Let me put out the fire. And then later. I'll build you a beautiful house. I we gotta get to pep though because they had all this buildup. The obvious thing obvious knee-jerk reaction it doesn't make a wrong reaction native is that he over thought this over thought this she didn't play holding for the first time he's done. We talked about any of the build up to this. We've seen laporte left back. We've seen last year with with with rodwin fernandina next and we've seen this stuff timing again. Is it as simple as that. He's over thinking things and then this time he makes the decisions that he made unkind. And now i think it makes that much difference to him because he has his ideas book. I think obviously different view on some of this because in the past and he's been accused of over thinking things he's over thinking things in the negative marijuana. I think for the game on on the weekend. He tried to be more positive by having an extra so packing body in there and because he's backfired you know it's easy it's criticized because then you stop who in. This has been this time since they've had a phone on denora rodri- and so on and so forth ultimately to me i didn't i don't think city lost because obviously chelsea played that they were very very good collectively but i don't think safety even performed anywhere near the best probably four or five players. He would walk off to. Who was off the field for the game. Until i've had a really bad game while some of those plays with a one c divisions which they played for most of the season so for for going to win and so on if they play if you play on play rodrigue the so he's somebody who's ceiling could be higher because he's in a position where you can get in the box more can trying to start the game in a more positive ads for the people as i say that with people who on on that field playing their normal positions who having bad games so we can say that over thoughts it but if the play is i think overall what if before. I'm just a little bit better individually. Then we could have a debate about tactics because then you could see whether they were so they didn't have the chance to i. I'm kind of with native among on this enjoys in the sense that maybe the all contributing factors doesn't change the fact that to me mentally. It looked like there was a bunch of people out there who are unprepared. The attacking output was close to zero. And yeah we can credit to we like but this isn't what we expect. Yeah no of course not being there no but is too simplistic as well because the expertise zero point one three in the first half however if you go into one higher up on the pitch with with prophecy holding midfielder sitting behind him maybe two different issue. I have with one. It's not so much. Dr pep chose to do that. Easter on cold and they lost. The game is for many weeks. Now you've you've good on to play in a different way to you've worked with him and former lido to to be to be more attacking midfielder far over number eight even more in the box than anything and you're bringing by somebody who hasn't played since twenty thirteen and the other thing guys bye. Bye window unease. You knew that chelsea we play was should forward. That's what they do. They get the ball back and then very quickly they go forward and you would think that to to to read to read those those moves and to read that affinity on the annual rhodri. We job their job is to break the opposition's attack and and especially if it's a quick position so does the game they where the ball is going gonna go and that's what they do. That's what they break. Your talk doesn't do that. I'm still convinced. And i've watched again yesterday. I'm still convinced. Harvard junior being there in front of the four. That goal doesn't happen all right. I wanna i want to date him on this on. Got your finger. Raised which to me means you got something to say. I'd like to break down the golden the minute But why don't you go ahead and weigh. Assuming you're going to react to jules. I was gonna react to that goal itself because having watched it back again. Knockout underspend away saying about having a six and breaking things up and so on but but the goal is shelf. The stars playing football goes right. You can have the idea instructed strategy but timing is everything and they had something in play whereby every need mendi was going to kick it to the wing thousand thing which he was doing or the senator boxer and then you knew who's going to play the long ball and i think many kicked off the show. Well walkers was supposed to go in the hole line was supposed to go with him. Kyle walker left too late so he call himself coined no-man's-land from that point. Everybody else was too lazy. Lazing cheng-kuo july on the other side as well from a timing perspective. It was well probably eighty percent of the other times in fact. Didn't really say too much or they got it wrong. Think less mistakes from my in my opinion was with cow. Walkin sounded making the decision for still go. Even though he knew he couldn't get have no purpose in the move apple. See i. I think i think that's really interesting. I'd love for you as as a defender to break that down. Because when i looked at it i completely agree on kyle walker. I also think there was just a series of events where everybody could have made anticipated quickly. Quicker slightly different choices and you might have well have had a very different outcome because stones also gets gets stuck in the middle reacted very very slowly when the ball comes in i realized he move earners running and tim o. Verner made a great going across. I'm not sure. Ruben yes needs to track across as opposed to me perhaps backtracking. Jean django you go back to the very beginning of the move. He is outside of a outside of harvard's and he's very slow getting there and finally edison timing timing all wrong. The physician co nadim. I think gen coup is waiting. For ruben diaz to stop his rent and then in that case both and of sight and for me on the wrong side of habits because he sure is convinced dot diaz is gonna stop us. Run then is running is of side. Harvard still running is upside as well. And and that's the only way for me. Why janko is wrong. Sided of habits. Yeah may i. I would see that. But i think that's almost like a secondary thing in itself because before that point whether they can build kicking it right the whole four unit would shuffle across and be able to say so many times when mendy would play ball at the right back left wing bag the box with that and find had because they were there on time and it meant that all the people around the were in the right so slots both within sankoh too far on that side even if you have. Trump is very dangerous upside when you can't affect the person that's because he can still hold they'll sideline from being on the other side but he never made it to the right position which ultimately you know that he in football. Sometimes you can be. You can be good and you can be looking and in that moment. Maybe times he's been lucky but in that particular moment using wrong place and he got plenty because as soon as the bulls on that side siding. How whoa couldn't apply pressure wacky. He was i notice it back on knowing that he spent a good apply. They were because you know they were on the back foot. Then you hoping that something your way. But it didn't go that way and then edison oversee tries to come out and sex. It wasn't good and it's interesting 'cause we talk about the six and the role they have in of stopping counterattacks and so and maybe a six could have made a difference for the fact that is right you look back at the game and they were three shelves on target in the whole game for both teams combined so even though chelsea would good that best players went that from three in my opinion you know i thought i thought wingback to very good. I thought it was very good and everybody else within that they did that. Jobs really really well back. Even tactically say sixty can bring in. Bicker brian shakes for patel. Say from where for my view in the stadium you could see they would just say play out. Wide by out. wide city. Had false nine eight whatever's they couldn't get the ball to them because the chelsea's from three was narrowed to the point where the hats play out wide and every time we went out wiped when other one as you saw stone says that james and bench show on them straight away with midfielder coming flying over and if they ever tried to go through the middle. One of chelsea's boxer. You'll be flying in mayo georgina. In there yet campaign the yet the midfield three in the moment he lost it. Whose full speed ahead for technically like as a shakes could change something defensively. But wasn't i feel like this wasn't chelsea's my figures thing because they ended up having to talking the hogan. Yeah i mean. I don't think there's any question and i mean there's a certain an irony to the fact that city's defense which i think has been obsolete strength for them all season long a series chain of of mistakes and half mistakes ultimate lead to the goal other than that you know chelsea high up the police chance which i think he should definitely should better and obviously for and team verner the too early on which you know. We're kind of used to but it kind of shows like i think how good these teams were. I think we've also kind of forgotten that the pace that was set in the first half hour of the game the way those two teams are going. It was just tremendous. I really i. I wonder you know made the point about the sex. It meant ultimately decided not being there star. Sterling was there. Football's also gave individual battles now. I'm wondering pep sinking. Wasn't all right. Let me put sterling out there for those reasons right when the ball goes out. Yeah chill will. And reese james. Go out there quickly and somebody comes to help but equally. I expect sterling. I'm mars to take people on and beat them individually at least a couple times a game right and create an overdose. That didn't happen and i am. I giving my giving too much credit their daily see that as a potential key to the game. May maybe maybe it is. I think go to a late point. Which i might come back on. The i think after that game will be certain people who left field on saturday and they probably played that worst game of the season and he wasn't necessarily just because of the person they're up against you know seen someplace said things like Even if there was a point where he was he's dribbling dribbling early and then he just kicked the ball out play. And i'm looking at it. Thinking will not him. He doesn't he doesn't do that like what's going on. And he wasn't necessarily at that school thing it would just lots of lara's johnstone's a bit a few things in the first half which will come from because he tended to oppose but i think in terms of pat like on a different day. But i'll say now the the bodies which i've seen before and i've seen them win and dominate games that before but this chelsea side we're trying to get everything go out wide but i think it's the certain plays would have had at the games that i think is a different result is in my opinion. It's fifty fifty play. Well they win. The game stops my opinion on that they did they did. They literally didn't alternate. Like as i say when i when i look back at it you know i wanted to go into the real nuts and bolts of a tactical thing but it can only really do it properly but chelsea give them full credit for it because it will play on the field in my opinion say like a mason mountain so on and you say how the words and so on who did a great job for that team tactically but individually they could. They could play better but it wasn't required because the most important thing was doing was doing what they needed to do to stop seiichi and make you go on the other side of at the safety. I was nothing there. Okay let's Let's let's let's take a bit bit of a step back here. I'm wondering joel's if i'm from give nato on this is what you said about the individuals Playing poorly this is a very talion thing about the say but we always talk about how you know the mental preparation about getting the right tension in the players the last meaningful game. That city played before this one. I'm not saying it's to make excuses for pet by. It's an explanation. It's something that he might have screwed up the last meaningful game that they played was i think may force the second champions league semi final against parry sound dramatic from then on no matter what the manager tells them to do. They kind of know all right. It's all about the championship. Final at stage chelsea on the other hand they all had meaningful games every game really matter they lost some of those that mattered. Is there something to that like. I know you need you up. The upshot is that obviously you've got really thick going into the final which is great if your city but is there a different challenge than in getting the players into that right frame of mind. Did you guys know what i mean. I mean chelsea played was a week before i i. I don't buy that that. Maybe there's a point you can also say that the last eight clubs who played the first trump is in the history or lost it which may be. He's a sense of the such begin with so much pressure and expectations and tension and everything you want. When when i want as a club i mean not even does play is a club that is something that gets too because eight eight in a row now consequences s. Maybe it's not but made him three and a half weeks without playing a meaningful game game. So what the other games they play with intensity or no pressure. I don't let's talk. I'm throwing it out. So we make all the time in italy. It might be nonsense right. Might explain why we haven't won anything a long time. But there's something that you need a different kind of preparation and there's a player. I mean when when when you've got a whole bunch of dead rubbers in a row and then a game that matters. Are you the different mental space. Are you gonna be like no. I missed your english bulldog. i'm up there. i'm. I'm at a nine out of ten in terms of mental intensive preparation every week. Oh i dunno. I think this is obviously that conversation about you. Know not having reps and tend to seal impressions you maybe wish maybe had more maybe like chelsea but on the other side of the point is is trump trump the final whether you hadn't played for a week to week to always like my biggest disappointment is somebody who's supposed safeties as i was leaving that stadium. I don't know when they're again. You literally don't know chelsea. This is the final since abramovich took over and we're talking to nearly twenty years ago it is no guarantee will be back than the motivation for the players. It should have been adamant that he was for their ability to perform under pressure for some of them. Just wasn't mad because these these guys who we've seen played cheese and play some of the best world. I think i've seen in my lifetime and they've been under pressure so important is because it the league for the whole season so they had to fight to get back to that point so then to see them you know obviously the other side one elite few weeks ago and so on and so forth but you know they. They ended stadium as savings because of what they did together to. This point said to then be the a not perform anywhere near the best. You could argue that you know. Chelsea's was another big game for them and what's been a month and so on and so forth but you have to shape for lots. Those players barn. Say once you've done something woke up and so on it's audited biggest games that careers and what came before even primarily thing pressure. fa cup and seventy feeling pressure. I'd argue this vega. They just want. I wanna i wanna throw it forward to what happens next. But i want to give. Joe is always a master at pointing out substitutions. That were made substitution. That were not made. Joe's i want to ask you when i thought oh come on. My thinking was really like is pep superstitious now as well this is there a bit of disney inside pep and was i be harsh. Was there any reason to put aware on the pitch other than the natural finisher and it's made for him and for the last ten minutes you have to ask you have to go for anyway. You use your losing a final apartment by the way to go back to the debate we heard about the number six i through. Finlandia came on after sixty five minutes city. Where were much better team and to be. That's why they created the kind of half chances wherever you want to call it The hearts but but i think you had to go with coverage users and you had to grow and and you're giving the burner was and more which i think was a sham and i don't know what nathan thinks about the. I was going to challenge. I'll talk. I don't even know how you can call the buttigieg now happened. And there's people in france. I think this is a red card everyday people who translates. I'm just saying what you think we lost. But i think there's a place for that debate if you've been out there disguised as material host. Which would have taken a lot of makeup and maybe less hair but would you have sent ruediger off You know he's twenty. So i saw the game two replay of it so i count second your honesty. I'll i'll say i just sort of debate. I will say no. I'll say no especially if there's video i'm just gonna to say now is actually because you're talking about the six beth. Daniel is obviously very very good but the game has alpha change of that point yet. Show line you could also see the finish line in the case of one team being desperate to go forward and one team thinking while we have to just hold onto what we have now through the dynamics would just. Let's different obviously san antonio plan from the start. I think it would have helped the team. Because you know such a great leader and so on. But honestly the only play would have benefited directly from on dino plane would've been going to end because other people were still in the exact same spot plated. I think that could have and also just just quickly because and go to contain and you know my boy and he's the bread and goats and he's gonna win the balloon though because with the euro area but anyway i do think him though that he had far too much freedom county when you knew exactly the kind of russia's going to make forward because that's why he doesn't need support i think he's genial had been there appointments you or even rotary. I don't care but someone there could have two years and then over he would be like buddy check like begun to bryant every time and yet it was not a presence for kante to limit the activity of continuing and every time he runs you look and you know ultimately when he takes off right with respect and goal content. You know you're watching goal context right. You're not watching younger guero. So you know that the threat is what it is but to have the physicality snuff it out. I want to say one of the thing about goal context. This has been bogging me for a long long time. Two points on this. I tweeted this goal. Kante is a physical freak of an athlete. Okay there's no question about that the stamina the balance the way you always stays in whatever that's fantastic but he's thirty years old now and he's coming off an injury. The reason he was so great in this game has a little bit to do with his lungs and it has mostly to do with brains. His own brains is ability to read anticipate and the instructions. The toco gave him. And i might add to all those people in one day. I almost want to like. I want to turn the the freaking torquay. Mata go nyc and going out people remember back when sorry took over and the whole muppet. Show of punditocracy like a defensive. Midfielder what are you doing there. No haven't sit back and stuff right. I can it be coincidence. That saudi hadi and art and thomas to hundred all use them in this way. Where are these people. Eight seconds strike us so wait a minute but you get what i'm saying right. Yeah definitely he played a certain way lester because he's at a certain manager. Played a certain way but this completely unlocked potential. And i'll be disappointed if at the euros knows. Don't you're gonna go back ball you're giving don't play by four hundred anyway. Whatever jack at much just about content. I do we. Does anybody disagrees. Manchester city anonymous. Identifying are the best team in the world. now polka. i'll take the silences. No okay so now what. i what. What i'm wondering about is next summer. I wanna get you need them. Because you're you're right close to it when pep- thinks about the football he wants to play. I am given what we saw in the last six months. He's center forward in there. And the reason i ask this is because they have resources a going and as i see it they can either devote a lot of resources to bringing in a center forward. Who will share time with with gabriela juice or whatever and they'll go back to playing with a central striker or he might just say you know what. Let me not replace guero. Let me get maybe another forward to maybe a mid range forward a big jude or whatever who can play certain games but my base formation my best eleven when i go and play most opponents is going to be this version obviously with a six but is going to be the brian bernardo silva phone guys taking turns at centre forward strike would however whatever you wanna call it has he. You think he's settled on that and you should settle on that because that worked pretty darn well this season. I don't think he said on. I think he's a nice things. Happen your armory but think safety going forward. I think it may be a girl was fit throughout the whole season. Any we hit the ground running from starting maybe plays more this year and they say don't go to the false mind as much as maybe they did. Maybe lost companies anyone. Just you know the fact that he wasn't always available but in the league final again contact would later on in the game but they'll be very well when he came on and he's playing through the middle so that means he's going to sign striker than i think it gives them an option which can still do battle against teams like chelsea because the way we built into false mines like a false mind. Like you can't really set in late and stuff like it's almost as if you get a nine then you times can be better. I think he katy b behind someone. Potentially you something quite exciting playing off someone on the path that doesn't necessarily break away from the way that he wants to play his the the who have whichever nine to bring in bill. I'm sure they'll have incredibly highlight. Iq anyway fought the have failed focal point as well. I think that ultimately it will be a big thing. It's the next season to us. I'm going to direct this question in an easy flippable format right you can go for a big nine baba holman cain or whatever like a really high end nine or you can go for a gabriel's zeus standard nine again. Very good player and worked something out there but still have as your base or have or or going with the plan that depending on the opposition. I might go with the system that we saw it in the second half this year. What do you do if you have the money. Go for the big night. You already have coverage. You want to go dolly. Bridges is if you don't get the big nine right because there's only imbibing holland. Cain that's there's nobody and they're all difficult for different reasons. If you don't get that you would go for somebody but you still have to bring in another body. Maybe yeah maybe you bring one of the youngsters like the lab. Who's done really well and you can get some minutes in certain games in the premier league with the laptop to replace it. Well then you have. You been with the forty nine. Or you've got on taurus. I showed some quantities in that position. And you can work with him less plus to someone like that and i think it's a big call to make. I think i think it's a big call to make. I think it'll be really interesting to see what he does. I mean for my cake. You go. It's almost like an nba draft right and some cases you go for the best player available so obviously if you think you can get the money or whatever you get it kane. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not i'm not sure about because he's not good enough to simply because the money of off but otherwise i kinda i kinda of think get somebody younger or somebody you know. Who can you know. You have juicer. That i don't turn it up to that but maybe maybe keep exploring what you're doing because phones young because debrecen is going to be motivated. Bernardo silva's twenty six. And would you sign hurricane. Oh tori dana drive. Pick picking from his house driving my. He's washing washing wookey. Dog if you want anything thank what we need to make up just because amb buffet an holland and stuff in their exceptional players. And i think they could do very well in england but it gives me more confidence than cain is already done very very well. In england from the gecko and because he's more of a ultrasound not compared to say holland but he's lost his go element as well so in the same way cities easing use the them so pass gains the death and moving in and so on and so forth. there's also mackinaw. You could throw a ball into the box. Cow was throwing the long ball into the box in the last five minutes of the game. I might well. It's like his. He was going to be what happens next. You know not just the desperation side coal like. Can you gonna get twenty thirty. He may be the same. I mean i think it's gonna come down to price. And that they want to say is. I wrote my call him on friday. I don't think harry carey kane zero leverage in this ultimately you know there's a point there just in terms of cost give a hurricane church twenty eight on july twenty eighth which is also my birthday as you know these the point at which it just doesn't make sense manchester city to buy it. If you're going to be talking one hundred twenty eight hundred fifty million whatever there is there is a tipping point. Where you still have to do your sums. I know that you can win the next week league fighting with him as well in the team early okay. He's not going to give you ten years so you don't think term trying to get in trouble this summer so there's just a wrap this odd chelsea. I'm assuming i is looking at this. And before when it went through all the flaws and the chelsea team was being a bit harsh because obviously a ton of good players but it seems to me that there is work to be done here as well because it's up to the squad in terms of the squadron obviously everybody's focusing on the center forward in the fact that he doesn't like tammy fine with you presume his leaving or maybe it'd be the worst thing in the world to try to keep him around another year. If you can't find the player you want. But i think there's work to be done at the back to right. There's talk of tackle silva extending another season. I hope he does group great around. But i mean that's been quite that tango silva and and and ruediger aren't gonna be your back. Three kristen's been hurt. He's been in and out. They have tamari quite think is really good. May not have them at the end of the summer. I don't know read your book. Kurt zuma as well. James james who is seen as a as a central back and as a fullback or welcome back but then you got a whole right wing back. Tomorrow will be sold right. You think. and then they replace him. I don't know i did. These are all the question mark that we don't have what does to think of tamari. He hasn't worked with him at all right. We don't know i. It just seems like there's so many moving parts of this not before you get into the whole galaxy of attacking midfielder winger types. Both the guys already there. What does it mean for years. What does it mean for for for for what does it mean for all the do for hudson and for all the dudes on loan barkley and loftus cheek. I mean it's got to be a lot of watching this summer. Too call right. that's exactly right. I think in some ways you could probably do having another transfer embargo. So he did not make to find. Success is a short of an into no they could potentially have money in the summer but also have players coming back like some really really big decisions because you've seen the team and obviously they bring in people here there wherever but it just wanna champions league but the manager didn't have any say in some of the players who rather club at the time when he won the champions league so he's gonna be cell so interested in albion chintzy why he thinks he needs to do battle which positions they needs to improve when the money is available if he does become available and then who knows. Willie actually make them not the question. I leave you with this thought. thomas to apparently matt roman abramovich for the very first time and the pitch an hour afterwards and he says like oh it'd be a great time to meet them or maybe it's a horrible time because it's going to be hard to keep this level seeking such a good mood. Is this relevant at all. There's just a quirk of chelsea. We had this image of the club where a german club right. The managers come and go. But like the impetus of the club isn't necessarily the manager and maybe two more expendable than anybody else he's never gonna reach the status of pepper clock. Who are the boss of everything at the club. Short term contractors were. We said i think shows just goes with your points. The and i think he knows that. And i think he accept today knows exactly. I worked in knows that in many respects. It's a complicated club because you've got permission dead. But who's actually not their hands. Why you only met him on saturday. You've marina who's su powerful also. Peter check and scott mclaughlin and others who are very influential club. Sometimes don't have the same idea and this opinion. And i think i think he knows the and maybe the to hold his one. So i'm not gonna ask you. How many times toxin or shake mansour. Swimming hung out with men. Probably about as often as producer freddie as hong out with roman abramovich. Yeah well there bills one. Probably the builder was like those. Seeing back dodd orson mafia bosses and thin cut his sister shady and he's changed everything he wasn't him to get all that of stuff. But i i kind of like the owners don't really see to that power mystique owners which i see all the time especially with like that book abramovich someone they might change bunnies stuff like baseball. He's never too long before the find success of credit for that cheers nadim. Thank you so much all right enough champions league final for the next twelve months. How about some quick hits instead. Let's go grab jules. We knew that incident would eventually give us his reasons for leaving madrid. Now he has and it was pretty much what we expected. And what i wrote my excellent column on the website. Yeah you're right. He wrote a letter to define the one. Really think was certainly the most important for me. He's the one that he didn't feel the support from the club. The backing and you can say oh. You went pacific on that. Those leaks that if he loses these games is going to be shocked and so on that's when he s so. I think what what's really key here is knows how he works. Of course you know. He's a very intelligent guy. He knows he's been there before. I think it shows you that there's a point where this is too much even for someone like him even Dan who is so strong mentally and everything but even to him. They go to a point where he'd had enough come on. Please let me work. Let me do this. And yet is and it will never change. I don't think he would ever change with another chairman of the president. Whatever club in spain. That's that's what they do. But i think it shows you can too much. Can i turn this around. And take his words as a w for our profession because when z dying comes out and says all in. And i pick up the papers. And i read that. I'm going to be sacked if i lose to gladbach if this happens he doesn't take it as just paper talk. He doesn't take for speculation. He knows that those people who write for those papers in madrid are doing their job. He takes that seriously. He knows if that is information. They've been getting from the club. So i don't wanna hear about people who always rubbish like the papers and the media. A lot of people don't professional right a lot of nonsense and some even make things up and worst of all of the people core very credulous about what people tell them but in this case if this is the dan knows the madrid media if you took those seriously means that those guys are doing their job seriously and he has a point. I mean on the other hand if you inventors manager and you hear your directa saying he would be next thing to know what you know that you're gonna be by saying who's going to replace madrid gob three names for you on your marshall pacino or the you know and roll always someone that is that you could think of that you know. I've said it before. I don't think antonio to make sense madrid at this moment in time people are gonna bring out. I was on the show with my friend phil mellitus and he's saying well no but a lot of people. Actually ramadan would love a context. They seem like marine. Yeah big difference. Marina took over in two thousand many differences between the two when marina took over two thousand ten a year earlier row madrid had the biggest of the greatest summer transfer campaign in history signing down. Renaldo and chubby alonso and benzene and whatever else right so he had a tournament. I work with content. Now wouldn't have that on the nine hundred million in debt. So come on man butch eighteen. Oh i don't know. I think if i were potch and ramadan call. Sorry pace is your man. I'd figure out a way to get over there on standby roles on standby you're buying time until you call again. Yeah i would assume they're thinking somebody else. It's just a dealing must be somebody who has been sticking with real madrid. Adopted allahabad deal is done. Jewels gonna make nearly a hundred and fifty million dollars over the next five years top of my head central defenders who make more than what he's gonna earn can't think of any right now. The big commitment guy turns twenty nine in the summer. We love we love. We love him. It's nothing to do with who you and i would have taken the money. Everybody would have taken the money of it. But if you read like how when where. Why did you think this is a good idea to a for that. I mean think the offer from this is twenty five million gross a year. I think the offer from by immunity keeping sixteen million a year gross as well so they offered him nine million a year more than what buying offering him you like and then you wonder why remedied in boston and and clubs i i mean i think i'm going to defend ramadan. Be penalty concerning first of all. They're to give you a free fact that we learned from our friend. Kay marine first of all dhabi. Alba's mum is a former miss philippines and diving alibaba's dad nigerian prince. Which i think is really really cool. Talk that is that why he got so much money. They're cooler me your point. I think the point is if you don't extend almost contract then you put him in his salary if he. Dan goes and extend secular analyst as well which. I don't think do what he says you're almost slot either. This is more money than what far off together in the same ballpark but you can see the logic there a little bit. Let's forget the signing on fee as well and the agent commission talking to me why agrees officially back inventors two years after being side. God before we took about him. Do you have a kind word to subandrio pillow. i love. he went in. he tried. I think he had a good plan his plan. He wasn't able to get it across to his players. Not everybody is suited to managing at that level. What is your first job. Yeah what be rigid in his. Which max allegra are we. Getting meixell agree is not wed necessarily to the football that we saw at the end of his tenure. You've had to the way. It was very successful in terms of results. Maximum isn't the kind of guy who even though he has done this. Who goes in posting press conference as like stop talking about tactics not about tactics at the end of the game. You just pass the ball to your best player and wait for him to do something like that's not either. He said that he's practice. I'm really curious. I hope i hope. He moves forward with with dealers idea and in that direction of travel. But the early indications are that a legally wants to keep both policy. Bala and alvar murata although he's open to christiana moving on if that's what cristiano once does this make sense to you. Do balas deal is up in two twenty twenty two so you have to resign him. And what other would cost you. Ten million to renew his loan at electrical. Yeah i mean if you like if you like more others profiled how much would it cost you to if you go to sign another one like him. Forty million forty make sense. I think he knows that there's not much money. Full recruitment anywhere. Unless unless you let someone like christiana go and then the money that you save. You could reinvest it which i think would be very clever. And for dibella debra has had some really good years with allegra inventors so he knows how to use them. You know how to get the best of him so it makes sense. He wants to keep him as well. And then you can always took contract negotiation and things like that room is there on the market not is leaving. Milan and report is yala. We now need to offer discount gob. We called it usually it. Yeah i like this is me applauding me on for sticking to their guns saying okay. Well can we think you're worth this much. We offer you this much to me. They did that the meaning. Meenan are out of the picture. All of the sudden. The power dynamic change has defined a team because whatever agreement in principle. Whether or somewhere else. Now they say. Hey look you're going to go to the euros in it's gonna say next to your name. Let's make a deal. Do you take less money. Less commission for you. Me know my understanding is he's already gone back to meet on and said hey. Can we negotiate here. And you say mike magnon for now. And i think aren't going to budge but later on who knows if you're meaning if you can both magnon g joe. I know they can't both play at the same time. But why leave mike and leave for a season on loan. Let him play in the champions league and then sell them. Is that what you wanna do or here for. No no. sometimes you bluff and you don't always win exactly changes coming to the champions league job after almost sonny's scrapping the role. They also like the idea of a final four for the semifinal and final. Yeah the ideas. Have a whole week champions each week in a city. On tuesday you get one semifinal wednesday the next on saturday you play the final. Obviously we would lose the two legged asked. Maybe shame the traditionalist won't like it That again it's it's pretty exciting if it drives it far. I'm open to the idea right. We don't have two legged finals right. Why should we have two legged semifinals right because his home in a way. That's the beauty of echo quarterfinals. In that case we go back to the time when he's just you could do it over one game and then that's it well. I wanna see the plan i want. It's all jobs. We talked about the next round madrid manager in the bookies favorites were into chino. Curiously they're also the favorite for the talknet job madrid taught. Let me think yet. Champions league manage that club what we don't see any names linked in the paper more. That's why i think some of the stories that came out recently about content schettino maybe to buy some time for the krebs shohei. Yeah we still thursday still potential. I think right now really working on somebody else. They must be. They must have other names. Because it's possible that how likely right. I don't think it's either of you know you need all the names and just those two content pacino. I mentioned anyhow because he was linked to the celtic job. Now and pasta cog glue linked to the. Yeah didn't put him that. Chris is a good guy under the show. The russia journal reported last week. The neymars deal with nike was terminated after he fell to cooperate with an investigation into the alleged sexual sort of a nike employee may masterpiece ally and he wasn't given the opportunity to defend himself. Gob this is turning ugly right. Yeah it's another story. It's only whichever way you spend. We don't know the facts. You can read up on the facts clearly. A very acrimonious split when he left nike on went to puma. Let's hope that we said we see shed some light and some clarity in this for everybody concerned me. Meanwhile inter do hav then you manager gavin semolina zarghee big shoes to fill follow up in unto con- juice totally different personality. One of the softspoken nice guys in football. He's he's the would you say potentially better. Football content has been playing depends what you think. Better is nothing better than winning winning by you. Play through the back fits it and why not not as cool as brother filippo but i think nah a nicer person. We're not say progression is good now giving detrimental situation the buzz that they will need to sell one of their stars. Everybody's saying it's going to be ashraf linked to your man for eighty million euros. Just this week sensors. That sounds like a lot of money and it's also doesn't quite man of such hankering for me. And they need a ride bikes. They're actively looking for right back wingback. Yeah my issue is that you can't defend defend. He's been a better as a manager and the way that learned the concept is still going forward and then defending so it won't happen. At happened fifty. E-eh fifty there's no point if you're doing exactly no point whatsoever exactly. Mo society strongly linked with larger now because of those musical chairs. Everybody moving around good fresh off for him would you. Would you like to see him. let's show i like to see the saudi of napoli latino somewhere or somewhere. He's had time to think about it. It's gonna be a weird relationship between him and not to the club and he's got some very good players to work with and if we can refi findings enthusiasm. last time he was coaching. He won the city. I titled time for that. He won the league. So what's not like mateo wing. Doozy has reportedly found new home in my it. The poppy reportedly agreeing terms. But the club have yet to reach a deal with russia which seems kind of important these national players. Just what can home for some money coming in or is it as go one year left on his contract. He really wants to go to to marseille and very happy with him. They wanted him on the loan instead. He went to bed in a year ago. Money can arsenal ten million probably from doozy. Considering the potential the age i think with one year left on the contrary valuation. Maybe could hope for pushing me to be with some odds-on around fifty million number. The day i offer a lot less. I go five and be like hey guy. Screw the pooch on this one. Maybe maybe the baby by the way he and his girlfriend. So congratulations to again. Tuesday family baby of massive hair from the point though you know yet. It's named their provisional squads for the euro's and looks like this it looks there's no room for mosey ken. My and your giacomo aspirin. Why he's mentioning taking only to center forward like chiro mobile and bellotti. And that's it. I don't know if it's an absolute mystery. Mother reports that he's taking it's not like he's taking like gruber robert levandowski and his clone. Herbert live You guys were durable. And what have been the highs injury brain injury concerns. Continuously doesn't score a lot of gold but then again just playing for a very bad team until the you know emotionally score a lot of but of course they all come in bunches. It's weird. It's it's weird to me. I hope he knows what he's doing. Maybe he's maybe watched a lot of pap and he's like into the oh. I don't need to send a former white for ella as a number nine during the go. Yeah i don't think. I need to see that peter boss is on his drills. See where we. David went from mature win dizzy to the absolute polar opposite of until which is peter boss. I think both roughly the same quality as managers. When you say yes one guy with a lot more here yeah. I'm kidding peter. We kid because we liked you. Olympique leo name yet. Good choices garcia. They're very excited. Very very excited. Fans are very excited as well. Lovie pizza news. We like him but sometimes because he messes things are pretty much every time eventually. What happened to paulo fonseca. Why how would have been for paul. I think all last wanted someone who's who speaks french. Peter bush pay three years at a too long when he was a player. So he's french is really good. Maybe that was the difference. The no i wish him good luck and i think he's very good that you've got put your tino some powdery bosh in league and as managers this great. He's john big here. Yeah this is. My poetry team was leaving playing with another bald guy. No sunken cows stays test in this. So we've got good managers. I think you should really good managers and no love for kovac much for golf. Sorry i forgot. Look it's not as good as the premier league we know with club and to hold on guada- on etc etc and mason and that you know you've got kvachin galaxy and bush and some powdery and put schettino. This is pretty cool. So success stay with managers and going back to italy. shows policy would replace renuka tuesday. Napoli got he's. He has a very talented team very very talented. Should we pay closer attention. I'm not the biggest as you know. So spending is actually a good manager. I don't think there have been debates with inter fans about. Oh but you're being mean about by letty because you know obviously. The wheels fell off and screws. Loosen his head at the end of that. And then they gave enormous contract which is still paying off But before that there is a very good manager in there who comes out occasionally. He's done he's done again but if he has the right mindset. Yeah if we get the you know. Mr kurtz from heart of darkness as to call. Will she ends up clashing with which is very likely our regularities. T's very special environment. It's yeah now not great. But i'm keeping an open mind tyrian is joined our buddy roberto martinez no not martinus. No no no teeth roberto martinez. You can two live crew for more education if you want to successive how you pronounce his name. He's gonna join up with belgium. National team could use of his time right rejoin even because remember. He was back there. It was dana in two thousand eighteen. Good for him is waiting and trying to find a bench for next season. So at least you get involved. You still learn you. Talk to player. Players exactly have better kickabout to them on the beach where he was eighteen rondos and pure and everything you want. Finishing work with romania. Luca cooed resurgence and the other is pretty cool. It's pretty good. So i i want those so if they win it he gets the medal now is not why he's doing. Listen terry on. I know the turns people off. Whatever i like him a lot and i think it says a lot when people are willing to work. I don't know how much money he's making. Air presumably close to nothing yet. He's standards. he's doing this because he wants to continue to learn and improve himself and put it back in the market so credit on yet. Yeah zero button. Re your greenwich chuck. Just three of the names. I've been linked with roma ngos and marino gab. What does tell you this is. this is funny though. Also remorse grow. I think what it tells me is that you know everybody has used marino's phone number and everybody hot does george mendez phone number and so hey look you know anybody. We wanna move. Why not. i mean if you're really patricia. You've been there. You've been good at wolves or several years. You managers leaving. Hey look let me go price. Something different yeah i. I hope. I hope that this isn't the direction as well. Yeah what they need. They need to try to buy players on the ninth king of rome after papi. He was look. I don't i. I don't know i i think inevitably you're going to get a lot of paper talking a lot of attention marines there. I'm hoping that the beginning of the season out. But this what need i mean. I think defensively you've got. They weren't very good defensively last year because everybody was injured. But you've got monchy need you've got you've got chris mauling kabua you've got players out there who can play right. So let's use that. As a starting point ran just linking everybody to the team they do need a goalkeeper them. That's true bradford win the promotion playoff and we'll be in the league next season. Joe's there may be a mile away from here. This journey is pretty incredible. It's a club. Were both very familiar with. Yes we we. We know people who run these club and if done an amazing job they've got good ideas it doesn't always work but certainly the way they run. Their club is the way it should be and went onto them. They've been fantastic. Well done to the squad. The manager even losing best season luckily kids for example side but they still managed to get the promotion that he didn't get last year dude ivan. Tony from scores more than we've been amazing so everything in terms of recruitment scouting working the community. The new stadium all of that. Well done to them. And we can't wait to see them implemented site an inspirational quote from their owner yet. Matthew benjamin yeah i. I don't think he made this up. I think he copied it from somebody but he lived by. He said. When you've got fewer resources you can either try to do what everybody else does. And try to better than them. But that's really difficult because you're under resource or you try to do something different. They've gone they've done different. Things struck their own path. And it's finally paid off. Also putting incredible guy is still in italy with vanessa. Also back in the top flight. Yeah via the playoffs is pretty remarkable. I think there's surprise. I know the only top football club whose stadium in addition to being derelict is on an island guy boat. It's a wonderful story. I don't know how good it is to be honest for city i other than the novelty factor because this will be good club. You mean they'd be gone up your name club. The stadium is what it is but then again you know in the end they were paying ellen. Pails like the second team from batu lots. I mean this is the reality one of the weird things. That's happening in italy and spain germany. Certainly a lot of historically bigger clubs are going down and staying down and we're seeing all these little clubs come up. hmo come up. They had their their their their celebration. Parade on boats ongoing. Who's gonna be all right. That brings us to an end for today. But we gotta come back. Thursday recounts and we got some euro. Twenty-one love to game in a couple of hours on joe love the game. Love your neighbor yourself.

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FA Cup or Top-4 Finish?

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39:28 min | 2 months ago

FA Cup or Top-4 Finish?

"Welcome to this edition of espn afc. Steve nicol sebastian. Salazar with the here in studio as always stevie plenty to look forward to on the weekend. We're gonna hear from archie rin tutt and just a little bit that top four race germany certainly heating up. Let's start in the premier league. Just the one match on friday but a pretty good one at that at least dramatic manchester city four three winners over newcastle actually had to come from behind twice did city and thanks to a federal authorities. Hat trick they will pick up the three points. What does it mean for. The table will not much manchester city. Already clinching the title. Thanks to manchester united defeat earlier this week. Third manchester city premier league title under pet. Why are the orla. Joining us for more craig. Burley and nato new. Oh we'll hear from them in just a little bit. But stevie i'll start with you. A seven goal thriller. Probably not what we expected from this game pretty good. You didn't expect goals. I didn't expect four three now. No i expect goals. This is a game. That really didn't mean an awful lot to either saying god. The talking about the game between the champions league final could be a chance for some day. A player themselves in i mean. Do you really think fell torres with three. Goals has pleaded these. We the jumping sleek start out late. I don't think so. I thought that was going to be goes in a unusual. I thought they were going to score. I didn't think they were going to lose three at the end of the day. The good game to watch but Really you know law the native eight changes for manchester city from the eleven that we saw in that second leg against psg in the champions league semi-final. It tells you kind of what. I was thinking about this match. Yeah one hundred percent. I think the fact that the league is ready tied up. It means you can. You can throw plays in there to see how the reaction stadium was saying. You know you say that. It seems as if you know he's looking at plays to see if they'll meet the champions league final team realistically. That probably won't. But i think for some of the players out there they have to take the opportunity because if they do have about performance or they show the wrong attitude. Then it probably play themselves contention altogether so i think that's a big point in itself. But he made the changes and it was a four three which is very unlike city away from home this year. Because i think to this point and probably concede nine away all season. The ultimate is a good game for the neutral is good game to watch and even though there's nothing on the line so i suppose you'd rather see that. Then maybe an ill nelson greg. What do you think. Do you think paps eleven for the champions league final set or do you think of performance like what we saw today from. Terrorists could play him into a role now. I think he's pretty much going to be on the guys that can do the job forum. You'd always try to encourage you to go out and the plane for police decided unless nobody wants colleagues to get injured or game for whatever reason but it could happen. And the one thing that you've got to do as a couple of knox or entities or onus for mindset to show the you could be the guy to commend if that is the case that you wanted to be professional about it. But i think most of the guys that play regular season games knoll which we go. I suppose the one caveat to that is that children have beaten them twice recently and that may be olten these thinking. I'll let you in terms of who selects. Or maybe he's gonna try and change something. Try ulta personnel. I don't think see much of a change from the strong eleven. They selected stephen. The big games pep said he wasn't going to rest players ahead of the champions. Obviously the lineup that we saw today suggests he will. What's the balance there from manager's perspective between rest and keeping the guys you know we're gonna play in the championship final sharp. Well think think it's important. That training shop You know obviously long as quick and interior and you don't have them there too long. I think it's also important that team that you got in your head you go get him on the field and i think we'll see that team the week before the final nothing. That team will start against. And i think brain will be the same as what we show against newcastle. People will be left behind the reserve team. But you look at the team is playing ever. I would pretty much guarantee that has to be the that starts because you can't expect to not have your team playing together for three or four weeks. Maybe not as long as out but maybe two to three weeks and then expect them to go on the field in jail. You have to get them on the field together. That would be the game to name. This is the first time that we've had you on since manchester city clinched the title you with your city ways. Look at this run from november twenty fifth of march. Twenty eight games across all competitions unbeaten. We forget this team got off to a terrible start this season. How do we explain what happened over. These months is to be honest. it was crazy. I think one thing. That's this season shown to them. I think people from the outside is foreman city. They can find another to win the league. Because i think in years gone by britain front knows they've been in the top two for most of the season maybe going ahead with somebody but this time they came from the middle of the pack because the start the season was so poor by their own standards i think when they lost five people were writing them off and in some ways you could argue is rightly so because that was very very unfamiliar city had been for the years gone by but they found something you know whether it was a case of pet basically change in these ideas the plays booking up their own ideas. I think there's lots of talk about meeting for andino called amongst the place to say you know they have to do better but from that point for the majority they literally were perfect and the run. They went on obviously at times. There were things which when their way in terms of united and liverpool fallen off and so on but they were literally perfect. And all you could do all you can hope to do was match it because you couldn't better it so that time there that's essentially what helped them win the league and it was incredible because time is worth and they play some of the best football i've seen and to add to that through long periods. They have cereal guero plan or kevin debris but they were still absolutely exceptional so they found a way through the manager and through the place to be as good as the collective instead of the individuals and ultimately i think they deserve the league title on. They've shown a different way to do it because they haven't been owners like we've seen before chebbi sebei. I think steve makes a good point just to go back a little bit difficult balancing. Because obviously the league's over the league have been over. It would have been much more simple but stevie we say you just can't leave people out for two or three or four weeks and then pick chopped champions league federal. Say if i arrest your plane because you lose that much sharpness and so he s going to have to play the guys for sure on. That's arrest or engineer said. But you need to keep that shop. She don't want the overdue. But you need to make sure that debroy and not sell all the and felt for all these guys have got their. I n the still up speed speed. The still shop still had enough are enough time within the marches. That have got that much sharpness. That's the first thing that goes out of your engine when you come back and you train and then you go into games start much sharpness and so you have some decisions to make in terms of his team selection because stevie rightly said one the guys to go in there off the back of some good performances and make sure the fire and oak cylinders one thing. We know that city won't win this year. The fa cup family on saturday chelsea leicester city chelsea the favorites as you can see right there. Of course these teams will play next tuesday as well in a match. The has huge champions league. Top four implications. Probably both these teams are not gonna end up in the champions league next season. Gonna come down to that match. Most likely steve. I'll start with you here. What's more important to chelsea. We'll take the chelsea angle. I champions league or hardware champions league tougher but you thought you would have been talking. How can you tell me to see will win. Nfl cups not important. I'm not say it's not important. I'm saying it's not as important as making changes right. And that's why kanus scrutiny fee. Something decided that was champions. Lead you know if they if they lose the fa cup final finish in the top four regardless of whether they win or lose the champions league final it will be looked upon as a success. But you know what it can change very quickly. They could still not make the talk for. They could still end the season outside the top four and have no silverware so listen champions league in my opinion after league as the one for chelsea nadim you agree is the priority here. For chelsea to win the match against leicester pick up not necessarily but only because i believe at this stage of the season for everything. They're going for. I think you can play a strong team in both games because it's not as if it was like monday. United just went through this week. Whether played sunday tuesday thursday. I think to be able to play play. Choose deal wednesday against society century going through the same sort of thing in terms of travel and so on. I think you can go for it. I think you're on stage of the season that way. You should be expecting place to be ready to play for everything to be is maximum because this is when you are playing for the big things and like i say seven days left of the regular english season to be for me to be thinking about resting people prioritizing one thing or another. I don't know. I'd like to think they can send out a strong team to own win both games and if they do that then come the end of the season they might have won and fa half finish the nonstop four. And maybe wanna champions league so for me. I say just go all in and then just see watkins. We've talked about this chelsea squad at length throughout the season. Is this where we see it. Paid dividends paid dividends. I mean the church of games particularly city game less than haven't been an to form recently for sure but let you go for in both games letting them says you you. Don't try and be too clever. Tim selection you go out you try and win both games Ultimately when the champions league then the top four scenarios equation for the menu. Isn't it so they know what they have to do. A but but yeah. I wouldn't be prioritize one over the other because when the fa cup which the favorites and then brush yourself down and gwen to the final where the not favorites but the fight success against mine city so affect took make a reasonable balance that they've got enough players fas any issues or the wedding for example comfortably in the fa cup final. And that's a big. You can always take some players often and give them arrest general. I'm toco. i am playing the best team. I have these last four games. Even if they drop. If something happens someone gets injured. Somebody looks fatigued than you. Make a change. That's why you have a big squad if you try and be too clever and try and prioritize. Nfl and you could end up slipknot in the mall. I just i just said full nigam that they could end up with nothing but then said well. It couldn't but if you try and be too clever that's probably more reason why you end up with nothing. Your best team. Every single team yukon between no in the last game of the season and things will happen. And then you adjust. But i'll tell you what if he tries to be too clever. It could blow the whole thing up. Let's get some predictions native. You'll be at wembley tomorrow. Who got winning. Yeah of course. I've got chelsea. But i'm gonna say probably two to. Maybe we came by the end. But we but we shall see gregory. Yeah i'm gonna go for mobile club because the look stroll and say let's have been playing is well with the two front these not finish shop madison behind hasn't been his shop. He was left. Old trafford happens there. So yeah i'm gonna go for chelsea to on the cv. You're gonna make it three for three. Ob shalala yup to me less dilute jaded from southampton to newcastle to even when against united legit to me i can only see one weather chelsea worried about them for top four. Lester i am a little bit. Yes because listen if you can't if you come cut through a united f team. The absolutely was a reserve team and look dangerous. How are you supposed to go on when the games that you need to win a cup or getting the four. Don't see right. well. I'm not sure if folks caught every single episode of the conversation series. That we've gotten us. Pfc youtube channel but they definitely should shock a his lap alexis nunez doing a great job their latest guests none other than native himself. So make sure to check that out over on our espn afc youtube channel. Do own or rent your home. Share you and i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com have already wrapped their ninth straight bundesliga title drama shifts to who will take those last two spots in the champions league wolfsburg dortmund frankfurt in that. Order are your contenders archie. Rinta joins us now archie. Doormat coming off that big win in the german cup final but no time to rest. They got to go to on the weekend. Who actually took points off back in january. they did. And if i remember correctly as well as marco royce was shaping up to take a penalty in that game. One of the plays mischievously whispered to him. While i think it was much of a whisper but more shouted at him. He's going to miss and mauka royce. Did miss that penalty. Now we lost a couple of months and marco royce is back in form. It's margo royce revival which also sounds like name of products davies new band. I'm not all the same. He's been in stunning form in in recent weeks. Cuckold with his performance in the final leading birthday to fifty f. b. and whilst have done very well to trip lots of other big teams in the game unbeaten run including that scalp of binding unit. Which i saw a few weeks ago. Excellent very good on the counter. Doing exactly what did to light singing in the cup final. I think that the momentum that roof you don't have right now the way front plaza playing erling haaland jaden sancho marco royston modo. Who with his bowls in behind and ray chan the energy that he was giving last night's as well that you have to make german the favorites to this one manager even thursday. She now as a german cup he may end up getting into the top four and yet he's going to be martinez assistant next year. That doesn't sound fair. No it somehow. Very borussia dortmund. The dave somehow managed to lose out of winning in the sense that after appointing rose the next season which look like a smooth securely. When editor was struggling back in january. I remember speaking to him after two crushing defeats for us on espn essay against labor crews and and it looked like he was drawings execute fall too much change too rapidly but since then the run that they've gone on he was talking about the severe game in the champions league being a real turning point his tenure and they really gels together. It does feel weird to think of him back to being an assistant coach. If he's not a head coach brucie doberman in years to come at some point. A friend of mine has joked that he'll be in job. Five seven bugging thing. Go along rosa then. I think that he will certainly be a big coaching job in germany. If not why not. In england his is more than enough that before as an assistant months just to slap and village so is incredible talent but also very pleasant. It's not the right. What he's a lovely human being and in his interview with me last night was talking about how how typical being. He wasn't sure whether six months ago his dad was going to be alive. Still right now so he was so emotional. Last night Much into the the. I have tears coming is listening to him. To victory meant a lot to him on a lot of levels. Did you cry onto your shirt. Is that why you had to wear what you're what you're wearing now. How come up with just a little bit. Dortmund play on sunday. Another huge game on sunday. Leipzig and wolfsburg. Let's start with the leipzig angle on this. What state are they in coming into this game. Julian nagas men lots of criticism after the german cup. Final die open. Mcconnell lots of criticism after the german cup. Final light really seemed to be limping across the line. Perfectly rackets is the way they approach this guy in that big games this season i count eleven of them against he. S buying in manchester united liverpool ambrosius. Doberman knows eleven games. They've won only two of them and they conceded twenty seven goals now the union now. Who has a fantastic and burgeoning reputation. And somebody who i think is going to be one of the great coaches in the game. It is still quite worry. I would cite that record and the performances in these big games. I think the he hasn't necessarily handle resources to be as gung ho is he has approached these guys and he's taking big risks which haven't paid off namely last night. He plays a oakland meccano. Who has been wretched form recently and he bounces off. Erling haaland like a trampoline and usually we used to seeing all the players bounds of mcconnell. So that was a real shift in the narrative. The that of mcconnell is off to buy with him as well ads at something else to it. And when he played each one and alexander Upfront that was not expected. In announcement sesto reasons without injuries and whatnot but tactically. He got done by advantage so he is going to be judged by in on his performances in the big game in the champions league. That's what it's going to come down to your nose himself. The there is what to be done in that sense. But that's not how hillview issues. I think most things in our tactical fashion but i'm sure that he will be looking at things at the end of the season. Working out what he could have done better. And you keep mentioning buying munich gonna win the bundesliga. No doubt they're the only drama left in the season for byron is robert levin danski break curlers for most goals in bundesliga season. Archie going to do it. Yes in fact. When i was speaking to freiburg and some members of the hierarchy last week i said the we were coming down to the freiberg buying game because of the dossier record and they said to me and i said well. Why are you coming down. Though he's he's not gonna break it this weekend breaking next weekend so private cheekily cosseted of seattle. I'm not sure how cult they should be given the way that he was playing last weekend against brazil. Gladbach is that accurate. I've also seen robert does do amazing things in this fixture away. Five remember against them which was popular. January's ago it was minus twelve. I had to throw on a third pair of socks in the i call. It was freezing and yet robert de came out with this outrageous still to win a game for bind. They had no right to the winning in injury. Time in the second half and it's precisely that quality of has which to me makes it inevitable. He's going to break this Artsy one more thing on byron munich huntley flick in the last couple of days has been linked not just to barcelona but you vent this as well what happened. I thought he was taking the german national team job after euros. I think he is. I don't see any movement apart from not to events boss alone that that would be very surprising. The most important thing. I think any german coach taking that joke now is the fact that on the horizon. You have the european championships in germany. In twenty twenty full that is a very appealing factor in taking the national team job. Also hansie flip knows the hierarchy. They're very well. And i think part of the reason why he's quitting by his because he's unhappy with the friction. The has a way sporting director. Half sally homage it. Why would he rhys going into dangerous. Structures like barcelona. And i think he could phrase scientists like that but if we're looking at the way that boss learners rauner it's going to be better than his experience if buying his in comparison paradise on even if it might have it's it's hollywood So i still very much expect and deflate. It was sad that he's had good success with the team. Managers i call it here. All of the bierhof To be taking this german national team job after york released are to thank you very much. We love you even when we make funnier close over on the espn app. See youtube channel. We're nearing one million subscribers. Can you believe it. Don't be left out. Got showed clips. We got shoppers power rankings. We got extra time so much. Wnba is on its way back playing basketball in a pandemic looks like this. No mask no six feet apart to put yourself in harm's way a scary decision. We are dedicating this season to tailor the unity that we were able to experience with something that we won't forget and we can lean on as we move forward. I would do it all over again because bigger than me to figure then my teammates. Espn films presents. One forty four presented by honda now streaming on espn plus two matches left in the spanish season that led to go two points clear around the four points ahead of barcelona. Let's take a look at the running for that top three at home this weekend against us a sooner than away against my lead around the away to athletic bilbao on the weekend at home against the barcelona closing up with of ego and abar silvio julie ron join us in just a little bit marino. Joining me here in studio right of the three that are left ali. Who's most likely to slip up this weekend. Most likely and and i don't know if we'd say even slip up. It's rare marie away at some against louis love and it's a game that if you lose points that you draw points you wouldn't be surprised because it's a tough place to play. We have said this so many times it was that essentially be too and they say goodbye to any sort of title. Hope they did. Beat athletico mallory. Not too long ago as well so they may play a part in this race after all in that they may just be the team that puts out of their misery. I'm not even going to talk about loan because they don't deserve to be on the graphic to be on view after the week that they've had or the last couple of weeks they've had they don't deserve to be in their graphic. I think they've played themselves out of that. Contention s technical. Marie even though it will look like a struggle any would feel like it. This is something that they're they're going to suffer to get it over the line. They'll do just enough. That's how the games will look and they will be stressful. And we'll be going crazy and plays we'll be having all sorts of difficult times causing out again but they'll do enough the one who's more likely to slip up israeli against let's bring in sydney jewels. Then said you agree with ali. Real madrid most likely to drop points. Look i think when you look at the fixtures and when you apply logic. I think i'll is absolutely right. Rahmatullah going away to athletic club playing some amass whereas athletico madrid or against a team. Who in theory have nothing to play for. That's the logical answer but usually something at what point during this season. Has it been logical over this season. How things being the way. They're supposed to be one thing. I absolutely agree evaluation. No matter what happens a no matter. What the final result is the process. The journey of getting towards that result will fail like absolute acne to everybody involved. And i really loved diego. Simeone said this week off the game against rails and he was speaking for outlets madrid. But i think he could be speaking for everybody. He said it's going to be very hard. The reality is that there is tiredness and the anxiety exists. And that's the truth now. These last two games are going to be horribly tense. No matter how they actually finish up. Jules it's not just the opposition for under. Its the injury issues a growing list including tony cruz in isolation just say massive lost rail madrid ahead of this game huge and defensively as well. All season really had problems. You don't have a problem. They were even impacting. He said he stuff the players injuries of cause and not just little ones big player around most is of course especially von federal mendy to some extent and yeah of course it's dot squads debt. I guess to and cover all those problems that they've had and we down to the last two already before said that physically just before the second against liverpool we the edge on the limit here and nothing has changed really since then. So i think physically is going to be very difficult as they go and win. The last two games which might not be enough do is purely mentally and and this is sort of champions though. They've been there before. I think physically. They gone guys. Great stuff should be a great end of the season for more from jules check out the gavin jewell show available in podcast form on our website. Lots of legal talk on the latest episode. What you can download. Today is playing. Tom and tom lock in the final playoff spots. It gives teams something to play for a defend your position and haymakers chunlin and upset. Your anything can happen and begin your run. Only the strong survive make his performance. It's not done yet to get in it's nba on espn town. The state farm playing turning wednesday on espn. Who will do it for this edition of the show. You're right to breath thug legal lie. Donald well Thanks to you. Although you work's not done thanks to everybody these moves. We got comment. Thanks to you craig. Nato viewers questions. Don't miss heather everybody. Welcome in this edition of extra-time steve nicol straight faces. Always where did it come up with it into a breeding just a normal pleasant greeting like the one. I'm going to give to craig burley native minuit there with us as well here with some questions for you chelsea when the fa cup on saturday does it give them a huge boost to go out another trophy against your former club or at the champions league just on its own a motivation to step up accomplish fame from me. The champions league is just by itself. I think winning the fa faker would be great for chelsea but they have a different pressure. Is craig set in our show earlier because are the favorites against leicester for the champions league itself. You know they are essentially going to be going into the underdog so it's a whole different experience. Oh yeah i think chelsea probably win an fa cup. But i don't think he cares anyway. Come champions league final right craig. It doesn't matter individual games. It's always good to be wenden isn't as relevant build momentum conference keep everybody chore. It's not it doesn't do any harm How much thank you will have. I don't know. I suppose that could come down really in jeopardy league final takes set the operate. Because you go to feel of even of shetty really operate whale probably would not gave a legitimacy say for a couple of games. Recently against up by we'll see a ba- safety and the champions league final dan asks is mcguire one of the most underappreciated players in the world. Stevie now that we've seen how much manchester united food struggled defensively without. This is one of those interesting ones. Where when a team plays worse than the players not there they get credit. Yes so you think. He's under appreciated. Well i don't think he's under. Not no i don't think so. Let's let's be mon- chechen aided and football one of the best sites so the fight that he he's the captain and he plays every single men every game if he's tells you the not under appreciate. I think i think what shows more is the lack of debt the montage aided of golf and a position as opposed to him being on the rated. I think that's what should not the fact that he's brilliant showed up when they don't have any of the regular a box of which he is one then the qena scratching a roundabout to get vice net them give us a centreback perspective on the wire so i think he's i think he's a very good player. I think we've seen that's the you just alluded is a captain of manchester united. And i think he is that for a reason and we've seen in this last week when he doesn't play like the drop off seems to be seems to be by way too big so i think he's i think he's very very good. I think the amount of money which they paid from from back when you know about must have been going right but he felt like a law. Especially when you're seeing someone like a virgil van. Dyke was going for similar money now. I don't think he's as good as van dyke. But i think he's importance she might just united has seen is essentially the same as dykes is to liverpool. So yeah he's a very good player and he's fed makes just united to fall saw stevie we are title-winning sides giving guards of honour. Do you feel like there. A nice gesture or to over the top so today for newcastle manchester city. Were you guys giving it thank thank. You don't even remember the titles and a packet of career thing. We did waffle we by early. I think the interesting thing would be as the liverpool monte issue ninety two and had to go right either old trough of our unfilled would a gal on her given. would it be just that rivalry. You're like any robbery. Let let's say was everton liverpool or whatever mentioned. You just don't know. Evan liverpool that would be the back bay absolutely. Yeah that would be the travel. The on field for the grudging clap. You can just imagine right. Not craig what do you think is this is something that we like four now. I knew it so. Can you imagine celtic and rangers and scotland. No no there'd be a brawl right. Well no you know. Whatever team was given the god the varner most players would have to find You don't think he's not gonna happen so it's part of the game though. That seems to helping aloe bob. I'm not really. I'm not really ext who comes closest to kante from their playing days Craig your box type right. I mean if this a sometimes sometimes box then get stanton wasn't celtic. Yeah stint extend their jokes as career. You don't change your game. So what was called. Coit wisconsin away the player. I always remember him in the middle but yeah do you remember native. Anybody you played with it reminds you of angola content. Oh go look. In tokyo. you know. In terms of distance. I would have to say jordan henderson for analysis. Sunlen with him because he's the only person rated. I've seen posting similar sorts of numbers by. We're talking lights. Twelve to thirteen k game by jordan by bennie wasn't necessarily effective county is now but he definitely had the capacity to be able to cope with all sorts of distances. So i think for him if you if you have the choice as well. I think he'd rather play the a and b both looks midfielder now. I think he'd probably doing quite well. Greg anyone who reminds you of kante and not gone day. I couldn't see the question. Because i'm glossies on on your pronunciation of county countries. Oh shut up. Stevie jordan henderson comparison not not a bad shop til you via used to get around plus. He had a lot of other stuff on top. You know as far as as far as interceptions as far as tackles as far as getting around the field you positive for stevie do coaches who used to be players have a bias towards strengthening the position. They themselves played. I saw the first thing. You focused on when you manage the defense nolan. See so you just look at team was wrong with you. You try and figure out where the problems are and give it an. If you've got that many problems then you go to the most important one and then what we round up so no. You don't automatically go right. i'm going straight. They were up. would not. That wouldn't be a good coach. No i don't think so Native go ahead one. So i don't know it's great if you played with would post by jimmy floyd hasselbaink cornell. Qpr and i remember. Jimmy's play like loved him. In terms of the way he attacks all the goal scored and all that stuff but he came to was an thing obsessed about the most with defending to the point whereby he made his like exceptionally solid. But we just didn't really school about many goals. And he seemed like he seems so. Surreal because i remember him being one thing but then he was he was he was obsessed and maybe still is to some extent about getting. You fits as possible and defending and being a solid as possible and it's just not something expected from him but we ended up. I know client join it to be honest interesting. Yeah i think the manager doesn't always bring what you might expect from their everybody's desperate nato honeyman of course we end on a high note native. What was it like being interviewed by chaaka. Is he the next walter. Cronkite news show secret. Lives now shocker. Shocker like for me personally. I remember watching shock. I remember watching craig's enforcer. I remember watching stevie cheese. Oh i'm not. I'm not like as i say to to to be able to speak to him and to be able to solve about like things that really matter and so on it was a nice moment because like what you go from playing to being on either side but when you're on the other side and you see lots of good people on the other side as well it does make you feel very very healthy shuckers. Check as a legend to me. And i'm very happy to be in the same network as far beyond alexis. Carry the interview well to be fair. Yeah i'm looking forward to seeing. It's moral the fa cup final as well. Which did do is like always like all google keep is there. S right to everybody has all right. That's it for us here on extra time for craig stevie nato. I'm set thanks to watch. Espn nfc available seven days a week. Don't miss a single episode. we're back tomorrow. This is adrian warshafsky. Check out my podcast with insight and analysis on the top stories in the nba adrian origin ascii are insider extraordinary reaction to breaking news. This is the latest roads bomb and def conversations with some of the biggest names in the league. Thanks do it again. i'm good thanks for having me. i guess yes. Thank you always appreciate you. Having me on listened. Subscribe to the wolves off. Wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Making Math Fun! with Nadim El-Rahi of CTCMath - Part 1

Schoolhouse Rocked: The Homeschool Revolution!

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Making Math Fun! with Nadim El-Rahi of CTCMath - Part 1

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Now that can sort of happened last lingering that is giving too many divers methods Too many methods to attack Wpro now reach all these unit so if you draw loves math and they WANNA explore different ways to To answer album by Omega aged you want to you want to expand on the streets but what we find is sometimes parents will ever complicated and so agent important to keep it short and not going too many masses fundamental that works. Best for your child. another mistake beds that's often matty's diskette On getting out in the heart of discovery learning and we're saying is more and more often now dichotomy wrong discovery learning has it's price and it is important but let me give you an analogy gives students Any the Austrian. Hey try to these Rubik's cube out we've known instruction now now play with the Dow Fiddle. Get it Joe. Maybe one the Senate might get it. And as far as I speak the majority the vast majority where frustrated annoyed and down and not want me about. But if I was down with outside shooting and Sean small Algorithm small quickening on how to solve that room skew. You then they'll be able to solve again. Saad away passionate that one the one and then you might be off. Discovery learning with the Rubik's. Excuse throwing him in the day to begin with can often made up confidence again. Each child is unique and that SORTA Titles are learning Rx. Learning timetables. We believe is really important to to now. Dan Lewis Axon Jackson. Have those facts. Let at a young age is it's proven in many studies that if students have a solid understanding of their arms arms titles Massey. Sarah in is all grade levels tonight can build on about mistakes but this is the biggest one and this is the easiest to commit an offense. I WANNA stop by saying Disease this is not a criticism or anything. It's just the self awareness and I think sometimes and arms only guilty of this is getting frustrated. is cajal sends. The any any minute fustration. You can try things out completely and you can lose them. So Edgy Edgy. Sensing the frustration into wanted those levels down the children do do will will Consequential this this can be the. The student is Turned off coming to you and and this can be problematic in the future when they come into you. Far More difficult problems grow up much viva mass so I think trying to avoid any frustration eighties. It's difficult yeah I agree. Let's take a quick break. Then we're gonNA come back and talk a little bit more about the twenty twenty homegrown generation family. Expo is almost most here from February seventeenth. Through the twenty-first the schoolhouse rocked. Team is gathering your favorite speakers in one place and hosting a one of a kind live live and interactive online event called the homegrown generation family expo. This will be a full week of encouragement resources and community as we'll be addressing addressing the most important issues that home school families face. You'll have the opportunity to interact live with our phenomenal lineup of speakers and have a chance to win valuable prizes. The price price for this live and interactive online event is only twenty dollars which also gives you life time access so that you can enjoy it whenever you want registered today at homegrown grown generation dot com that homegrown generation dot com. Hey guys this is Brooklyn Hampton daughter of the host. Most of the schoolhouse rocked podcast. Do you love the show. Then stop listening cuts right puzzle. Show right now. Go leave a review on itunes or your favorite favorite podcast APP. Let others know how much you love it. Don't worry always did you do it. Great now back to the show we are back within the deem and before the break you were just talking about the importance of not getting too frustrated with our kids when we're teaching them math and you know we we talk so much on the podcast. About how one of the most important things in home schooling is to build that relationship with our kids because it's all about relationship and where are the. The purpose of raising children in general is to prepare them for adulthood and so we need to build that relationship with them in. Like you said if it's something that's causing a real L. Rift in our relationship with our kids then they're they're they're not gonna all of a sudden think. Well you know all of a sudden. I just love math and I love it when my mom gets frustrated with me. That's never going to be the case. And so how if you can maybe give some suggestions of when he child is really struggling with math. Is it best to just put it aside for you know maybe six months or a year or back up and take it a little bit slower or maybe get a mouth tutor. I know a lot of homeschool families do that. What do you suggest in order to protect that relationship that we have with our kids? What do you suggest is a good way to do that? We'll certainly I think if you are struggling. And it is a continuing problem. I think you need to make me look at other races. And maybe outsourcing the taking component of it and do them become maybe the Trudeau Learning done whether it be Alon John What works best for you and your family and then night come to you with with with a few problems in that moment of frustration? I seniors very important to remove yourself from that from that from that moment as starting to take a step back inside united we move on to a different subject Dole or Or this that we can do tonight. This is what I love about underscoring the freedom the complaint freedom sort of make the decision what you'll die comprises imposes all set out to do I. It's important as well to maybe look at If there's another medicine using different methodology that you can try to explain the pro or explain the question around. If you don't want to switch to another Thurman Racial Racial just finding a source for that particular concept that might not be fully understanding Monday. The United Because Matthews Building blog at any it's important to build on An early onset was missed wanting to do some revision vision from the previous year. And that's that's really a border to Adjust Sofa valley-wide Haven't been thinking about trust and different. Yeah so how do you go back because math obviously is a subject that builds on itself and if our kids get to a point where they're just really struggling and they just can't get get it. How do you back up? Because we've had that happen a couple of times where I'm like man I just. I don't know what you're missing here and partly because I'm not the math Geek. I don't know what it is that they're missing. So is there a good system in places that are good way to try to figure out like. Oh that's the one piece piece of the puzzle that fell under the table which is causing you to not be able to put this whole puzzle together at this point. Is there a good way to do that. Yes he comes down to the results that you're using really I think how can because his math is structured in such a way and and some curriculums. Do this better than I was but it should be really. If you look at the lessons they Include writer within is within that within hobbies is actually a stream of math so it might be stream of measurement older strain. Aw Aw Algebra or stream of numbers depending on the grade level and whatnot by particular strains and they might be on these three or four strains within a grade right level that that needs to be colored so if shimmied having trouble similar example for students having troubles rightful fractions will ninety. Something was missing from griped Attractions Sergey Curriculum. He's ordered in such a way that strange flows route from level to level and talks flow through from Then you can easily identify the building blocks that happened prior as we knows. Well sometimes Mastro's on Abdul joining the older bride levels draws on concepts from different topics and other grade levels. And if your not entirely sure I would suggest chest that you I mean with. SAG say mass. We will being harsh parents to Rachel Sanderson a saying. Hey much much all the time in trouble with this. I'm when referred onto one that matches. That would have by some suggestions. So it does require Von Interactive Understanding Creek Jomon Obstruction Cher. Cher question auto. Oh yes it does. And I'm just going to give everyone your phone number and say call Nadeem. He'll help you so let me ask you this because is it. I remember several years ago for the first time I heard now remember. I'm not. I'm not a math person. And I sure math was taught one of two ways when when I was growing up but I remember hearing the term spiral math and mastery math and I was like what in the world. What does that even mean can you? You explain the difference between the two. Is there a better way to teach math or does it depend on the child and their learning style. Show Joe I think everything everything depends on a job out. Went online comments. On about generalize. I imagine Majority students so I think everything does depend on Shaw L. Undo Mike Recommendations on and advice on what we say the majority of students so Finishing so Mostra approach is when you focus on long onset timing backs guys we know math involved but if you just on one concept and one take your spiral in Col- rights revision sorry incorporates learning with Bill Oh concepts which both naturally overlap. So what I believe I believe buzzer important in separate tonight several positive matt. Listen how should sign up with that. I'm so when it comes to teaching the content. I believe the best approach is on the one concept and that way if you focus on concepts in math concepts you can build on practice. Problems should be related specifically all not all match less than that was just told so the adult you'll Explanation to three or four minutes so a math lesson Thirty minutes three to four minute explanation. Twenty minutes or fifteen minutes practice problems where it's where it's just focusing on that content. Now depending on the concept there will be some spiral onion and there will be some earlier concerts covered. Okay then the last ask five. Ten minutes Spiro revision going back Elliott concepts mixon problems. What you just learn what you let last week? What you last month's change it up so when it comes to the teaching in the delivery mastery brush include rice lower revision toward the a little less? Okay yeah so it. Basically sounds like mastery is when they're learning the concept for the first time they master that concept and then they practiced it through the spiral method rights. It sounds to me like practice so you just go back and you keep practicing it so that you don't forget it correct but So I would Practice problems would focus solely on that concept. That was just talk in might be. Let's let's take a really simple example multiplication should your multi shouldn't looking at full full titles. Okay so questions. We just fulltime full-time students fulltime sometimes Twelve dollars full focus on that. And then maybe in the last five ten minutes include early exit outside And not would ensure the revision the minding And a spiral Wholesome approach to the actual Because when you sit down in a new attempt practice problems you know just like seeing eye test for for instance you not just one concept is. It's all right right right right right okay so in talking about multiplication tables times tables. Have you found that. There's a best way to teach them to kids kids or again. I'm I'm assuming it's depending on the child. But here's the thing when you've got you know as many home school families do when you've got six kids you can't have six different ways to teach multiplication. So have you found. Does your your mouth. Was I know this about you. Have you found the most effective way that works best for a family in general like here. Try this with all your kids. And then you might have the one kid who doesn't learn in that way and maybe you can try different approach with them. But is desert seem to be a best way to teach multiplication redlining sedan rotted out to what Israel revising practicing at Cape Blending at bouncing of siblings has children get detest agrees h h. l.. Up at the dinner table throw problems at right Loni. Okay just over and over and over again I remember. We used to do classical conversations sation two years ago and we don't now because we travel so much when we were in a community that was always a fun. Thing with rote memorization is that we would do fun. Things like toss a ball back and forth or do jumping jacks or You know what whatever just fun things that would get kids to remember those different facts and random and so yes I mean I agree. Wrote wrote memory is definitely for times tables. The best way to get kids to to memorize them now. Do you suggest suggest doing them where it's like. Do all the twos timetables I all the threes are all in all the force. You stack like that or does it make extends to just try to learn them all at the same time I would learn twos threes. heckler unfold check. You might want to get into the fours you might want to introduce some of the math conserve because I'm obviously it's time styles and then go back and do five and six seven right okay. Okay okay great well. Hey we are at a time for this episode but this is the first if two upsets that we're doing with you so we're gonNA come back on Wednesday okay and we're gonNA finish talking more about math and Wednesday. We're going to talk about how to make math fine so I'm really quickly people can find you as C. T. C. Math dot com. Tom Dot Com. Okay we will have that in the show notes You guys thanks for listening. Join US again on Wednesday. We're going to have part two of this. We're GONNA talk about some ideas on on how to make math fun for your kids and have a good rest of your day. We'll see back here on Wednesday.

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Homeschool Math Mastery, with Nadim El-Rahi of CTCMath - Part 2

Schoolhouse Rocked: The Homeschool Revolution!

21:13 min | 1 year ago

Homeschool Math Mastery, with Nadim El-Rahi of CTCMath - Part 2

"Are you looking for a new math curriculum. CTC Math specializes in providing online video tutorials that take a multi sensory approach to learning aw creative graphics and animation synchronized with the friendly Voice of internationally acclaimed teacher Pat Murray make warning math easy and effective favorably reviewed and Kathy. Duffy's one hundred two top picks and the old schoolhouse crew review. The lessons are short and concise to help your child breakdown concepts and appreciate math in a whole new way visit. CDC MATH DOT com today to start your free trial. That's C. T. C. Math dot com. Hey everyone this is. Yvette Hampton. Welcome back to the schoolhouse rock podcast. We are back with part two with Nadeem gene. And we're talking about math so if you missed Monday's episode. That was part one with him and we talked about. I'm just some of the different ways to teach teach math Some of the things to avoid teaching math and today. We're GONNA talk about how to make math fun because that is the one thing that everybody wants to know about when it comes. Thanks to math is how in the world do you make mouth fine so Nadeem. Ah Welcome back to the PODCAST. Yes I am so glad to have you here It's kind of funny because math is not something that we have talked about yet. I mean we kind of interspersed into different podcast episodes but we've not actually done an entire episode Focused kissed on math and as I have been home schooling my kids as we have gotten deeper and deeper into mouth one of the things that I have really noticed based in We've become really aware of Inter family and I've talked about this on the podcast before but it's that math. Are Everything that we teach our kids ends. We want to use those things to point our kids towards their creator towards Christ and so one might think well. How in the world do I do that with math? How do I teach teach math? and Jesus at the same time while math is so perfect because math is absolute it is imperfectly order and and it shows that we have a God. We have a creator who is a perfect God of perfect order and he's got absolutes and so just like two two plus two will always equal for it has always equalled for it's never going to change its it can never be revised by anybody. Nobody because they decide that they want to buy two or two plus two to equal five. They can't do that and in that same way. We don't get to change the order of God's creation and so- math is just one of those things that again points us towards just an incredible awesome creator. He made up math. We didn't make it up and it's amazing to me. How when you look back into history you can see how mankind how humans have been enable to to develop their minds when it comes to understanding math and they'll have these big huge problems you? I know that they'll right you. You see them on a movie or something writing a big you know some kind of mouth problem up on the board and it seems like the impossible problem and then they get to the end and they're like oh meanwhile there's the answer and there's only one answer you can't tell if more than one and so. I love that about math because it's not a subject that I enjoyed growing going up but I do enjoy that point. My kids to their creator teaching it so So I would love to talk about how to make math fun and and I know you've got some suggestions on that and so taught about this talk to the talk to them like myself. Who Does Not Love Math? Who who struggled with math growing up and who really wants my kids to grow up not dreading math but being engaged and excited about learning it? Show show official. I think the first thing is to Taffy jean-charles interest to workout what Utah interest saw. And then try to save can relate that back to mass An example may growing up. I lost cause I love the model of cause. I love the various topics 'cause So one thing that would've loved in enjoyed as a kid was surveying the models of On Long Road trips Just outside more arm And then tidily not creating graphs and charts So I think it's important to tapping your child's interests if they like cooking gene Example there's a lot of French involved in measuring What I really Li- we've come with cooking is when you find a recipe a whole way Six just multiplying baby quantities that always makes mass fund A. We're really practical element to it. Another example guides and he's going to be better suited to those students who really really really enjoy math to really like math. So so let's ask some fun in Board Games my my my little three year old emel she loves and she loves hoping now. So what we get into is set title and we we get to count out how many people have so. Then she's GonNa Count Applies in California and John Out because you have an extra folk or not I for one show apply she just. She's a bit of a perfectionist and plan. I laugh about it so really tapping into child called interest in with my brother. Love's bargains a best buys when we go to shos grind picking out the best in the rest value. Somebody Yeah Yeah you know. Math is is one of those things that is fun to kind of incorporate into just life skills because the whole purpose this of course of raising our kids is not to raise kids but it's Tereza adult and so we get to take these things that were that that kids learn in classroom and in a workbook or on an online online program like CDC math and they get to use them in the real world. Like you talk about your brother. He enjoys bargain shopping. What it's great to be able to go go into a grocery store and look at several different items you know you look look at sour cream and see okay? How many different items are there? What is the size? How much do they cost? What's the better deal and just trying to figure out that way? You know of course Wayne Bananas. If you've got bananas in Noor Eighty five cents a pound around you need three pounds of them. Way Them with your kids. And how much is this gonNA cost if we have three pounds and just doing that logical math with them because that is really what prepares I them for adult life for for life in general and so it's a fantastic. Gas is one of those things to you. Know when you're pumping gas and you think OK gases as you know so much per gallon and we've got to put you know thirty gallons in the car. How much is it going to cost us? If we're on empty those are the things that really will old allow kids like you said to how fun to start realizing Oh mouth is not just something. I do a worksheet but this is part of my every day life as an an adult. I have to understand these things. You mentioned board games. Do you have specific board games. The first game that comes to my mind is Yahtzee where our family loves Yahtzee. We play that all the time and and so that that in rhyming cube those are like my two favorite games. I like because I almost always win And I like to win. So are there board games that you recommend that are great for teaching math. I'm competitive as well on any lanes awards be the guy and the involvement money transaction zone. I always is like monopoly Thinking about A different side Massa morally counties agencies monopoly. Don't leave any ATMOS- strategy really cold rights. Math made easy writing down in writing down. What's the best way so I might not involve numbers but if you most some sort order strategy Than certainly using math Brian. Yeah Yeah for sure. Hey let's take a quick break and then we're GONNA come back. I WanNa talk more about games. And some other ways to to demand the twenty twenty homegrown generation family. Expo is almost here from February. Seventeen th through the twenty first the schoolhouse. All House rocked team is gathering your favorite speakers in one place and hosting a one of a kind live and interactive online event called the homegrown generation and family expo. This will be a full week of encouragement resources and community as we'll be addressing the most important issues that home school families face. You'll have the opportunity fraternity to interact live with our phenomenal lineup of speakers and have a chance to win valuable prizes. The price for this live and interactive online event is only twenty dollars which which also gives you a lifetime access so that you can enjoy it whenever you want registered today a homegrown generation dot com. That's homegrown generation dot dot com. Hey guys this is Brooklyn Hampton. Have you left review for the schoolhouse. Rock podcast yet. If you haven't been positive show right now and go do it. Don't worry I'll wait. Have you done it yet. Great then back to the show and we are back with Nadeem and we're talking about board games before the break in how playing games oftentimes really good for engaging kids brains with numbers is in with math and even with accounting are there. Are there other activities. Well first of all are there any other games you would recommend in all actually if I have time I will do my best before this air is. I'll try to see if I can find some good math games. Because I know that there are lots of homeschool moms out there. Who actually they? They love Games. They love playing games and again that goes back to the relationship with our kids. I mean how much fun is it to play a game with your kid and I will say if you have a child who super ver- crazy competitive and they cry when they lose. That is such a great opportunity to reach the heart of your child. I remember my my oldest to win. She was real at all. We would play games and she would get upset when she would lose an in. That's natural for most kids. I think most kids do that and and it was fun because I wasn't fun for I heard a cry but I remember just thinking what a great opportunity. This is to teach her how to be how to lose a game in how to be a gracious loser. She's not a loser she's she's wonderful but And so I taught her when she was really little I would teach her to say if someone else wind and I would not Maher win. I would never let her win a game but I would teach her to say congratulations mommy. I'm so happy for you that you won. And it was so funny. Because she was sown little and she would lose and she would you know I start ticket emotional about it and then she would say congratulations mommy. I'm so happy that you want and over time time. It really did teach her that. If you play your best you always WanNa do your very best. But it's okay if someone else wins and when they do we get to celebrate with them and so that's a little bit of a rabbit trail but are there any other games that just in thinking through it that you think man. These are great games for teaching math. Ah Yeah just quickly on that. I think that's a fantastic opportunity. Really tanking layoff paternity A little less than than teaching Atkins available on on do not There's there's many connect is a diamond another game this strategy again. You you sort of us. Sort of thinking ahead thinking Had A breakdown. The problem will have the trees the desired outcome of getting those for neuro Again Irene's right doesn't have have to be numbers side chess or Burnishing anything like that. and Strategy Games. Those are fantastic. Yeah I'm again caught game the supply on you've heard of A four hundred side. You basically get todd's to I'll send you laurels. Oh fine. Oh Yeah that does sound fun I will. I would love to hear that Yeah we've our family loves F- ARKELL AM I don't know if you've heard of that game but but it's a really fun math game. You have to count the dice and stuff and it's a has terrible name. I hate the name of it but it's a really fun game. And so so what else. What are some other ways of making math fun with our kids? Yeah I think John Jay. If you've got a Lotta leaves outside. I vink think it'd be pretty cool to to go out and and sweep 'em out and and being a guy. How many bags are we gonNA fill out a bit of a guessing guessing? Game where way sort of estimate how many lazy NFL UP. Let's that's another situation. Why should make math fun and bringing Abbey Niger? Not Sort of standard tonight junk. Everything has royds patterns even if agents just researching just jumping on on the Internet and enrich searching models of growth of trees over all sorts of things CRICHTON Chi. Yes that's fan and you you're talking about estimating leaves and things. That's something that you could even do it with pasta or Amazon or something like that you know put a bunch of HR. And I mean I know that's always a fun thing you know we. Sometimes we go to the library. They'll have some sort of goofy jar with candy in it or something and you know guests. How many EMINEM's are in this jar and the winner wins the whole jar and a and things like that? Yeah those are great for kids. Great for them to just learn how to logically. Think through that kind of stuff We have a few minutes left and So I talk what. What is the number one roadblock that you see that students face when learning math number one by afar is a great question is is confidence than the down payments wants? That confidence is Biden. Wants down a shield goes up and nothing sort of. It's difficult to get through old old night any headway. I'm so confident. We've got really rebuild that confidence. It's just brilliant. One Nice savings in a different WII or or or an explanation from a different angle. That really gets gets to A lot also off and the women and the change of expression on their face wanting holderness is is is a big. Yeah Yeah I totally agree. I've experienced that many times with both of my girls where they're struggling through a concept and then they just get in. They're like oh I get it I get it and they get so excited about it. And you're like Yes yes you get it And it is hard to not become frustrated when you've explained it to them you know so many times over and over but then there's just that it's like a switch that just off. Yeah I get it in that. You know that happens with many things you know whether it's spelling or math ask or I don't know just a variety of different subjects where they spent mass seems to be the one that just that concept as clicking over and just encouraging our kids along the way and it's one of the great things about homeschooling is that we have our grade levels goals for everything but as homeschool families and as homeschool students. They don't have to adhere to a specific grade level of anything they don't have to be and third grade math or eighth grade math we can cater to how God created them and what they're bent is towards math. And you know I have one daughter who does not like math and I have one who really likes math and she really gets it but my daughter who doesn't like math. She's she enjoys other things much. which more than her sister does? And so it's great to be able to just see how God has created each one of them with their specific gifts and abilities so when one last thing. That actually doesn't have to do with Math Sean. You're in Australia. I would have to know. What is the home school? Climate like in Australia is it growing is it. Is it even exist in China you you you and I've talked before knew said L.. You've thought about maybe going when your kids are school age. What it is it looked like there for schol a growing? That's the that's the great thing about it. He's drawing any of these getting which is fantastic. It's a AH it's not as big of course as it is in the. US Nam. I think the difference here is that is a lot more Options John's available to parents with just the white government funding works every school receives. Funding is actually a lot of parents who go off schools. A lot of people get together and Donald Fehr on schools that Bitten there are more options in that. But I think as things change and I think when the government if I start to radio light curriculums East or I think you'll say going just absolutely take off your industry. We have very close friends of ours. Who Hun School basics children? That's fantastic and draw. I should say that I actually actually tapping into the US resources which is awesome and And involvement is as a mass mass on getting in touch with more and more as he hung schoolhouses ball. That's fantastic. Is it something that if there's a family whose homes going to others kind of look at them like they're crazy like what in the world are you doing or it. 'cause I know here in America it's not everywhere but the majority of this country. If you go I mean I never hesitate to go out in public with my kids during a school day and never I literally literally. I don't think there's been one time where anyone has just said. Oh you guys are home schooled. That's terrible you should be in school usually in public school or private school people. Oh may think that but no one's ever actually said that to me and more often than not people will actually say your home schooled. That's great I have a sister who homes goals or an Easter homes goals or something something like that and it's very widely accepted here overall. Is it widely accepted there as well or are people still kind of sitting back wondering what this home school thing is. I think it is widely accepted. I think the issue that might sort of play on people's minds which is really unfortunately still steve my all the the the But SORTA social ramifications which of course we all know is not is not true may be completely wrong. But I'm just sort of educating people as far as explaining that they will and and and and just on. That is one of the big big reasons behind schoolhouse rock. Why we're making the movie why we've got our blog and our social media outlets all all of those things are to help people open their eyes up to the just great blessings and benefits of home schooling and so? Hopefully we can help do that down under as well so the deem. Thank you so much for your time today. I appreciate your math encouragement and then we appreciate you guys. We appreciate C. T. C. Math. You guys have been very supportive of what we're doing and so we are very grateful for you and people can find out more about you at. CTC MATH DOT com. Is that correct. Okay perfect we will link to that in the show notes of course I'll try to find some fun. Math Games in addition to the ones that you have recommended and I'll put those in the show notes as well And you guys thank you for listening. That Nadeem have a great week and listeners. You have a great way to we. Pray for you guys all the time and we're so grateful for your support and your encouragement and we will see you guys back here next week.

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Episode 151: Breaking Through at CVRx

MedTech Talk Podcast

1:06:52 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 151: Breaking Through at CVRx

"Welcome to the MED tech talk podcast your host Pardo and I'm very excited to welcome the deem yard CEO CRX to this edition of the podcast Nadeem has had the lustrous career starting at GE and then his GM of MEDTRONIC's navigation business but his biggest and most important challenges come CPR which we're going to focus on today for full disclosure. I've had the pleasure to get to know Nadeem over the past eight plus years, and for the last four I've been on the beam sport and killed as an investor in Cebu. Rx. and. I'm really looking forward to the conversation today. Deem it is great to have you on cats. Thank you jeff it's great to be with you today. Terrific will good what we have a lot of things to cover today and really want to focus on CBS which is turning into I think an incredibly exciting story. But of course, their their roots to the CRX story and maybe you can take us through that a little bit the genesis of. Both. The CRT is therapy in heart failure but also barracks. Absolutely Jeff. So I talk about heart failure it is. A devastating disease. Very expensive from a cost perspective, but also from the human side of things, patients unfortunately suffering from heart failure, end up having those episodes of congestive offense way as they feel that drowning, it's like a continuous waterboarding expedient just how painful that is right and unfortunately one of those episodes could lead to their death and. In the United States hot figure is the second most expensive disease. If we consider cancer as one disease, if you stopped separating cancer between breast cancer by cancer sets that hot figure becomes unfortunately the most expensive disease in the US. What is hot forget? It's. When the heart over the years of. Insult or injury to starts becoming larger the walls of the heart becoming thinner. And the heart's ability to pump blood to the system is compromised. And that's. Compromise happening in multiple forms. One of them is called synchrony when the left side and the right side of the heart start becoming disconnected from each other. So think about it like a car. Engine where have the cylinders not kill into properly? Than the COD would not produce horsepower that you need. You need to tune the car that is what's Artie Cardiac. Surgery synchronization therapy. Was designed to do they. You know put two pacemakers right now it's only one pacemaker with two wires. That's why they call it by basic they based both ventricles and they tried to synchronize the left and right side. That works wild if the heart is distinct honest. However in heart failure. Only thirty to forty percent of the patients have synchrony. That s of the patient's heart become lodged the world's thinner. But the left and right sides are still beating in harmony but not strong enough. And for those patients, unfortunately crt devices did not produce the results that WHO, hoping for. Ten fifteen years ago when we're testing them. And that is where our approach berry. Flex. Therapy comes into play. The genesis of this therapy goes back multiple decades not gonna go to the whole history with Dr Professor Bronwyn than his wife and everything, but nevertheless indie. Let me take one paper from Dr. Abraham. From nineteen ninety nine and that is about CRT devices. In this paper that was published in the New England. Journal of Medicine Dr Abraham demonstrated the sustained. That's or the sustained benefit of CRT. Comes from the fact that when you should denies the left side on the right side of the heart, the pulse pressure of the volume of the blood leaving the heart. Activates the Beverly Flex. In the cutouts dodgy. Trusting. Right. So those patients with this synchrony, you recent combined the left and the right. Now you're sending a pulse pressure strong enough you activate the battery flex let a convoluted way to do it. How did you see that actually signed to do it well? Alex secrets wandered in the body we went with a Wyatt directly into those better receptors in the. Wall and activate though cells. Jackie with. Why go all around right now, our device would work in all forms of heart failure, but we have to go in developed the evidence one by one and demonstrates and in our first. Quote Unquote. beachhead strategy. We selected a large segment of patients who are not able to be treated by CIT devices. Why not the eligible for Siasi devices? Those patients are those who do not have distinctly. Right. So they left the right side of the heart beating in synchrony, but heart is not strong enough. The walls fin the muscles of the heart are tired at the. Pump, the blood. Interestingly. So, on one hand we out of the I, actually the first device using the brain dried device can condition. What an interesting concept, right? So we'd go to the brain and we fixed the hut we did not. Invent that pathway actually professor Brown will but even the founder of Medtronic Bakken has always had this belief that the heart and the brain are strongly connected and actually. Given clinically than institutes called the brain the backend heart brain H. B. I S-. To work on that interface between the brain of the heart but. For all sorts of purposes Siada without better neo, we have right now the first and only FDA approved product accuses the brain drastic outdo vascular conditioning case hot fetish. So we've had excited the bombecks too. That's that's an interesting and I love the analogy give of a thermostat in the House I. think that's really a elective of kind of the effect here on the nervous system. Could you could you describe that absolutely end the beautiful approach. So before I address your your question, let me open up a small parents as Jeff and I'm known for being pocket of. If I go too five. So our approach with the reflective ation is designed also to work for the treatment of high blood pressure or assistant time protection in its Egypt explain this real estate example with hypertension. So think about your office Rijeka that set most on the ball. Sensing the temperature. And if the temperature is too high. It says wall I did to inform in my instant computer that I need to get cooler air in here right now. So the federal stats sense order to Hvac, actually information the HVAC computerized system starts the compressive cool down the air stop sending more air opened up the the vans, an Anon- anonymous gasket of events all starting from that set stats. Now. If we cannot modify the stats and it's Set at seventy six degrees sweating. Could put a chair and tried to open up the vents. It is not going to help because as soon as we hit seventy six degrees, the feminist that will stop the flow of air. How do we change this? While one trek would be to change the Diet of the staff. But what if the died is broken when another trick is to take a match and lights and heat the surrounding right at that time was stat. So the local heat from the match that your all your fingers. With trick. That into believing the temperature is eighty degrees. So the federal starts to down to seventy six in fact, it was seventy six we got seventy two so you see that I'm hitting the sun was that to cool down. That's exactly what we're doing with the better sceptres we activate them electrically we took the brain into believing that is so much pressure. So much pulse ations there that we need to slow things down even further and then the. Brain yachts to that source of information that we're sending and slows down the Hart Dynasty Oddity Alexa Kidney and all of this happened through two sets of nervous systems It's called actually the autonomic nervous system. It has two sets of flies think think about them like the gas pedal, the brake pedal, the gas battle is the sympathetic tone. When we send signals from the brain to the organ through the sympathetic dome. It is meant to the system. This is the fight or flight mechanism. On the other hand. The Patterson pathetic tone is the break when the brain sends signal over the past pathetic toe or the Vega tone. It's meant to slow things down. That's the rest and Digest. Just. An anecdote in hidden text books they talk about the four basic limited instincts of mammals, animals like the human. They, call them the four. So fleeing fighting on sympathetic one. And then feeding and the productive system that society the fourth odd about Patterson. And those to are balance usually in our body for normal, you're beings when they're saying when did know everything's going well in their system, they have a good balance between the sympathetic Patterson public system. Would going up a flight of stairs. Sympathetic system kicks in we're sitting down after. Feeling, sleepy in a we need some rest. The Patterson pathetic system is up and we keep balancing those up and down. Now unfortunately those patients suffering from heart failure. or those suffering from resistant hypertension they have an imbalance that sympathetic tone is too high that better sympathetic is STU low. Buddy is grabbed all of the time. It's like you're standing up sitting in your car, your foot on the gas pedal all of the time. Even. Wind. Likes. Right, you're standing guard at your revving the engine, you'll kill the android. You can't do this twenty, four hours a day seven days a week have to have some times of. Fast That's disabled hot over years and years of being over at beating very fast, very vigorously all the time. Hearts are becoming larger in the loss thinner in its was its ability to pump properly. That's how failure it's complicated the at node. So interesting in data. Yeah, and the you know now the proof is kind of in the pudding last summer crx achieved a major milestone in its history with FDA approval. For symptomatic improvement of heart failure and could you describe some of the results from that study in and maybe also put those results into context we think about other therapies in heart failure. So. When we started the venture in heart failure, we decided to three sequence of thron phase one first in man study. Trod called feasibility study that was meant to collect the evidence and to size fact, and then the third pivotal tried to seek get FDA approved. So the Serbs Franck called beat the Jeff. Is the one that was recently published in the Journal of the American College of Cadillac Jack beat that chef as demise control, thron Ed we in, distraught? Out To demonstrate what we always said. It would happen which is when you put this device in patients suffering from heart. Fadia. That would feed better their functional status will improve. So then go from maybe a class, three Hartford of the last to less severe form of the disease. That can exercise more that can walk longer. It can live a fuller life. So those are the symptoms. That we believe before starting tried that our device will impact. By the end of this. Trial we publish the results and you can read them in Jock. We've demonstrated that our device improves. The exercise capacity of patients by improving their six minutes walk by sixty meters. And let's put those results in perspective and give you some numbers. Usually the heart failure in the medical community at large believes that an improvement in twenty five meter in the six minutes hall Walk Desk. In Heart, failure is clinically meaningful. Our device improved sixty meters. So that's two and a half times. In that is a measure called the quality of life using the Minnesota living with heart failure question at it's hysterical dice desk. It's one of the two deaths that FDA recommends demonstrate whether the patients are living a better life. It covers a lot of information about patients from how while they're sleeping eating to functioning normal life can date assets. And in this standardized test and improvement of five points is deemed to be clinically meaningful in heart you. Are. Device show that improvement of fourteen points almost three times that amount. In finally in the functional status about two thirds of our patients improved by one class at when he compared with controlled odd about thirty, four percent of the patients. Improved in the treatment versus the control arm and. We talked about crt earlier Calcutta synchronization Said ibn just for that I could see not devices in crt. Dis. One of the largest product segments in mctighe space. Those devices. Generates. Billions of dollars, billions of dollars of revenues to mostly three large companies Metronomic abbots, Airbus scientific. Yet they addressed they address only thirty to forty percent of patients suffering from heart failure those patients with the synchrony. The remaining sixty percent and we will talk often about fifty nine percent. You know you see all our marketing, what you have a solution for the fifty nine percent, those fifty nine percent of the patients who cannot benefit from CIOCCI devices. Is the segment that is a sweet spot for our therapy better stimulate. Those fifty nine percent of the patients are different than the forty one percent could be treated with crt right however, they have the same symptoms. It's the same disease. The only difference is whether that is distinctly or not but on the description of the Morbid and Life. Annoying events up mentioning about you know not able to to walk or. INABILITY TO SLEEP UNTIL FORTY Suffered, the same way. So why am I saying office? Well, when we look at our results, it is very important. To See how do they compare? With competition. Well, in this fifty nine percents. That is know device base competition for what you're doing for better studio. So the closest proxy, we have our the CRT devices in the adjacent markets, those patients suffering from our with the synchrony so If we compare our results to the results that made CRT devices successful. We are. Or the results that we've shown with Beatnik chef are better on every single parameter and times by factors to. than the results that cit devices to becoming the standard of care. So that is why excited about Jeff Is. That is. Lesser results CRT became so successful that is no reason why outfit would be hugely successful future the oh It's an amazing I think the other interesting thing is. FDA didn't only want to see what they might consider to be subjective. Criteria they also had an objective criteria criteria in their NT probe emp. Could you talk a little bit about that in the improvement you saw the study on that biomarker. Yes Oh for ten or fifteen years FDA. Did Not want or did not accept prove devices based just on symptomatic improvement alone they needed to see some objective criteria to confirm the data. The idea is that subjective events like able to walk longer or a better quality of life sometimes could be fooled by the CBO facts without the elephants, right And FDA mandated that companies like civics inducting storms have to provide also objective criteria. With FDA we decided to select a blood biomarkers called Mtpa Toby N. P.. This blood by market has become almost no right now within the community dress, the severity of heart failure disease in patients, it's a simple blood draw. It has taken in a blinded way. It's sent to one COR lab centrally in assessment by the court lab is done using sap standardized. So that is absolutely no subjectively in this result whatsoever rabbits all objective. And in our case, we demonstrated with a statistical significance that our device reduced the Peruvian P.. Marker by twenty five percent. To put things in perspective recently in the entrusted Trod avec Novartis conducted. They demonstrated that even a minor reduction of ten percent in the MT probiotic p by Walker coordinate swelled. With future outcomes in terms of reduction of mortality orbiting in those patients. So ten percent of a reduction in the lobby at being average already correlates with outcome improvement in the future. We achieve twenty-five percent. So we are very excited about this and I think. that. Is the parameters that allow the FDA. Confidence to approve out device without the Peruvian be. I think FDA would have hard time approving a heart failure device based on symptomatic improvement that'll. And in this case, they even did it without a panel which I thought was quite quite extraordinary, quite a statement on the on the power of the of the data. But of course, you know we. We do this for the patient impact. In one of the things I love to see on the crm side in the social media's the stories that have been put together the patients that have been impacted this Be Sales Marketing Craig Palmer's done a perfect job. So a curious you know obviously, it's gotta be pretty emotional to see in a device that you all work. So hard on really changing lives of patients could you talk about that and in particular any stories that stick out to you? We have a patient who volunteer to be one of the very first they should to deceive on device in the United States and unpacking here when was to south at five his name is David he was thirty four year old time. He said, you know what I'm done with this life I needed solution and when he research and he found that we are starting Kenneth Rod for a first experience in the United States into southern five he called center he two hundred mines. Consented sign up did all of the tests qualified achieve the device In since then David has been all over the word talking about how this device has changed his life. A couple of years later, I think to South in eight or nine we invited him and his wife to come speak with us in police in Minneapolis. and. He is very charismatic. So he's a young chop. You know at the time was thirty, seven, thirty at all. But. Man When his wife spoke. How we brought her husband to life and we brought her backward husbands. You could see the tears in all of what is and it's in Oh. That's what keeps us going and when we had tough time since you've got extra, we have upset we had down and we can talk about this later but in the days when we were down. Those stories like this, that pictures of David and his wife Office. For Stop. And that is what keeps us going that kept us going what's no they deserve to fight to keep that setup because David did set. To Keep God. A few years later in two thousand and thirteen. When we started the first heart failure thrive in the United States hopefully chaff. Another David from Arizona. Volunteer to be Rod David. Was An is suffering from. At the time he could not. Even. Walk. Mailbox. He had. His. Daughter was planning to get married summit after he was worried that Kim economic even walk on the. So he consigned got the device. Now use. You could see him on one of the videos that CRAG just-released on Youtube recently. eight years later, David living a life. He goes golfing he went drylands. To the bars, they have fun a definitely when we went Mrs House few years later they showed us the for album with. The, wedding of his daughter in how he walked down the I'd. You cannot not be emotion that when you talk about those stories and the finest soda have is about the. TV and you see video of him a basketball champion he spent his young life. Coaching other kids. Unfortunately he had taught figured activity on gauge so he's now. Say Upper Thirties low forties still, very old. And he could not function anymore because of his heart failure. So he was in arthropod in we did kick off meeting for our team in January right before the covert crisis. And Keep, his mom showed up and they spoked on new employees and that was emotionless rush. been a so stories like this as unbelievable. You know when they will tell you that is a before and that is after when you turn on that device, you'll giving me my life back in that industry I did. And I cannot make justice. Oh, for your audience they should. Google bar stem linked in. INSTAGRAM. FACEBOOK youtube whatever you'll see these videos. Amazing. Absolutely. Yeah. No. So really inspiring. You mentioned you mentioned sort of the both before and after remember when we were doing due diligence on. CPR AXE and and I don't think it's as a in heart failure. What about say but in hypertension you you turn on the device and there's an immediate lowering. Blood pressure that the fact is instantaneous, which is pretty pretty remarkable. There's really not too many procedures would you can turn on and often see that sort of impact on the body yeah. We do see routinely thirty or forty millimeter sometimes in the same setting just what turned the device on in hypertension patients? Was An episode on a On on TV a few years ago think to saw in stakes in hypertension patients, Phanom Rochester's Dr Donald Patients. And the TV clue was dad when we were doing the dose response that was in the protocol of the strikes. So we turn off the device. In we stopped ramping up the setup to map here at what does a fed up here we are getting what response. So. Here's the spacious connected blood pressure measurements and the TV crew filming the screen blood pressure sauce at around one eighty, eight, ninety millimeter. Then, we stopped therapy and drops to one, hundred, twenty, eight that TV reporter was going crazy. Know asked to stand up you feeling lightheaded like like, no. The only thing that you would visually see jeff is the color of their cheek going from red to pink. And that's Everything else is on the measure on the Monitor sometimes the basis with wwl that something in the back of my head stops. But otherwise, you don't notice anything except we're sitting in a coordinator to changing the programming wirelessly with a device. Really is the the beauty of the you know using the brain and the centrally mediated a therapies. The brain can correct for a lot of things right so. It's really A. Released ordinary. You know in. The hypertension trod after the why in the tribe, we had to mandate a maximum number of visitors in the operating theatre during the procedure surgeons what so excited when they put the device the first time in the autumn, they turn it on and they see fifty or sixty millimeter dropped right there. They started inviting. You know that other leaks to walk in when they do the experiment showed up and we had two mandates no more than one visitor. Infection. Right. Interested and they'll actually it's a good segue into. Heart failure, we've got first approval maybe talk about the second approval that we're working through right now, and then and then also some of the other applications. Barry Flex Activation yes. Absolutely. So the first approval we mentioned about it and the second we're going after right now we just completed derailment of the extended phase of the trial of Pita Jeff and ought the phase of collecting data the idea here the hypothesis is that our device would possibly keep patients out of the hospital in a line. And we want to demonstrate this in a statistically significant way so that FDA would allow us to make that claim right and excited about the second phase. It's an unknown phase right now were blinded collecting the data but within the last straight line right now off this phase of dry. After this we have. Three options to go after one is obviously I mentioned earlier hypertension. Particularly resistant hypertensive patients. The second is something that we mentioned in our past and people might remember it is the different form of heart failure cold. Hope upset it's called diastolic failure or heart failure with preserved ejection fraction Those patients usually have similar sized heart is not patients but. The wolves of the heart becomes thicker. So the cavities in the heart smaller in, they cannot fill blood properly. So while the heart is able to eject the blood. How does not able to fill blood enough to attract enough blood out? The different forms of heart failure. Those missions suffered from similar symptoms to failure to the. Usually no in heart failure over the one with the Nausea Hut. So. That's the second indication, and finally a week we collect data over the years about the a kidney protective function of the device. That is a hypothesis that. The reflex activation would protect the kidney. GotTa go into details about how that works. We have data suggesting that would like to demonstrate it as well. So that's another field I. think this one would come after hypertension and heart Vaden's reserve rejection of action, and finally we made an interesting observation and beat. H F. It's an observation right now we. That the device is also the juicing up can't you vascular events particularly Arrhythmia? significant reduction. Now this was not a power point in bt. Jeff. And That Jeff. was meant to demonstrate hundred right and. This data would be considered hypothesis. For an extra. Know Inevitably Edison if we want to go through. So that odd multiple ways we can go next with this therapy would excited the body. It's it's. Right, now the focus is on getting the whole picture, the beat the. Try outs, educate patients and physicians about it and continues the collection of the bachelor retail. Well, it's truly a platform technology, but like every every technology has to start with. The. Initial be jet and luckily. Luckily for CPR acts it's a very. Large Group patients that can start to benefit from this immediately. But from from the standpoint of getting a new technology approved crx is really been on the forefront I feel like with. With really the evolving a state of affairs at FDA and really how they work with companies to safely bring new technologies to to market, and it's not really not too long ago you know to probably ten or so years ago when when things were quite difficult between industry and FDA and there was not as good a collaboration Can. You just give backdrop on maybe how far we've come with FDA and you know you and your team and you've got really tremendous people. Who've played an instrumental role with FDA of but maybe talk about. Some of the things that CVS has really helped to lead a long other companies but really helped to lead and and some of these initiatives that I think really helped to bring new technologies safely to market. Jeff a few years ago I was possibly in two, thousand and nine. When the? Director of the Center for Device Yogic Ham FDA cdrh Dr Jefferson. was. Concerned about all of those, capitol? Hill. Hearings that was invited to and all of the politicians basically beating on his head about. The approval process in FDA in how it was uneven with pockets, different situations, and so forth. And he realized quickly that he needs to fix the software. And the hardware at FDA and buy software the culture. Of the place and it's a big ship FDA and it's a government agency. Thinking how hard it is. To walk in and decide or right I need to change the culture. Of A government agency. And that's what we have been seeing over the past decade slowly gradually. So it's like the frog in the boiling water rights we don't notice it but. The back look where we've come from from two thousand and eight today. In Our interactions with Ta. And what she has able to accomplish is number one. The passes on more predictable more transparent right now. Number two products are being approved. Create apples compared to the bus think about vice from the day we finished the thrown to the day. We got the proved with. First of a kind device three and a half month, not two years or three years three and a half month. A So and the initial intent and he was able to accomplish it was not to reduce the by not lower. The bobby want to keep that bought his high possible in terms of safety and efficacy requirements to approving products. In the United States. And that portion of the culture, you would notice it just look at animate. that. An data viewer sense to one of your company's. That often not asking how can help you know wanting to listen probing questions and talking about the voice of patients, voice of the customers and so forth those are languages that we ought used to hearing. From Industry. Now, we're hearing from FDA viewers. Another thing is it used to be? The following paradigm that accompany designed the try. FDA would say, Yep, the side works. nope. The Sun doesn't work. Then the company goes try come back with results and they have to meet the results they said they would meet. While that was broken into southern eight because FDA would influence the designed so much that the trial is wanting to be around by companies, not anymore the trial, the TWAS run. And yet even despite this, than the results in all of the confusion about you end up in the end fighting in front of finance of experts about whether the point is relevant or not after five years. Putting lot of patients that risk can spending tens of millions of dollars. That's not the time to discuss if the points that selected five years ago All of this has changed. Now, all of that gladys has has existed at from the beginning of the tribe before even engage in Tron you know what FDA really thinks about those. But other beauty of it is the FDA team now. Knows that they are empowered internally, not only to say, yes or no? But also to provide ideas. Now, we've got a sometimes very skilled researchers at FDA in Dave seen so much know clearly they cannot disclose to you information that is confidential. There's coming from another company. But of readings in a pants this what they do all day long sometimes, they do have ideas to simplify the problem that you working on. Ten years ago, they would not feel empowered. That they could tip you. On those ideas of those elections. That has changed right now it used to be into southern eight. The first advice you deceive as a young CEO is never asked the FBI any question because you end up like. Today. I will tell new CEO's ask the FDA. The worst that would happen is you'll get an answer that you like the best is that with w something that you did not realize that you could do. After a often as a every single question have and that is different. Now, I don't know if we'd be in ten years but today where we are asked the FDA. The worst. As you would get an answer that will be the worst answer that you're you know fifty right but. That's the worst that could happen. But if you even if you do not ask is is not going to worsen your case, but there is a chance and not insignificant. The death gate would come back with Edison says while. Yep Yeah that's great advice. And Release Such different paradigm for FDA, which is Very helpful in in particular in the breakthrough designation pathway which crx followed. To me one of the Nice things about that is how much interaction and collaboration was kind of built into that PT. Pathway. So maybe talk about that as a pathway for companies in you know not every company is eligible for it but but give some advice on sort of the maybe pros and cons or you know maybe there's no cons to it but talk a little bit about the pathway in advice you have to entrepreneurs out there that are considering. The breakthrough a pathway is meant for devices that have no substitutes. And for those devices that are addressing. outtake critical disease, right? So it's unlikely that anaesthetic surgery device could get the breakthrough unlikely. And it's more likely that the device leading heart failure would get a breakthrough right that Sunday in the likelihood of getting it. The pathway was part of the twenty first. Century cura-cures act. But even before that, the started with guidance called expedited access pathway, they published it I think in April of two thousand fifteen. morphed into the devices. The idea here is that FDA would locate the resources. To the spoken to ensure that they aren't doing their best efforts to accelerate. To the step to the US patients who need it. Right, and because of that paradigm, the reviewers were part of this program on the FDA sides. Feed very empowered of sometimes. Going a little bit creative in finding different solutions to specific robbins and accepting sometimes a higher level of uncertainty as long as the company has a plan to develop all of the enters surrounding the seltzer jetty. So. From my perspective, that is no downsides. From. The Path way if your device. Is a candidate. So you have to go through the process of. Building, the case and submitting this takes time it would take probably about a month to collect all of the data. The evidence that research have some experts weighing in on it and so forth. FDA will take a month for the view which. Then you'll know designated or not's. After this one are designated Knob you go through the normal process. Love you know the designs and everything, but now you ought doing tons of the breakthrough rela. So you'd have more resources more ability to escalate within FDA and FDA now. Knows that they should be willing to take a little bit more risk. In terms of the uncertainty on the outcome of the trial before you start targets. Because it's a victory advice. Some people might say it would slow down because those two or three months at the beginning. wasted. My enter different. Usually, a new see it also in research development. Product developments. Jeff Seen finally many many times Perot. start slipping at the beginning. But also if at the beginning the team takes the time to put the right foundation. That the program, we go much much faster after. So those two three months of investment at the beginning of the program. Are The foundation that would allow them to watch fastened on the path. When we went to the throat we spent. We submitted to be in the expedited access in May Twenty fifteen. We started the throne in April of sixteen. It was worth investments that nine at night the eleven months. Now we got the condition approval few months earlier in this that allowed us to go start working with IBM and so forth. But that investment was definitely worth it. We were the first going through the process with FDA. And they were learning learning. and. It was not easy. because. We submitted the request Jeff Day before they had the time to train. They don't teams about it onto flop all of the guidance internally to with this program. So we were working with after eight out to do these things and then what some areas where we had lot of friction. And a lot of emotions on both sides particularly on my side, the emotions. But but. Was One event that was on my birthday? August, that he had and my birthday was FDA at a meeting and I did not get. Dan. Said I really wanted to get and I was fuming that weekend was Friday. It was like the worst weekend ahead in years. And then by Tuesday, we had a call with a leadership at FDA. We decided to have biweekly calls between the FDA TM our team, a team of experts. On an ongoing basis. So it was every Thursday attempts am every other Thursday ten thirty am teams are teams in the experts on the phone we like twenty five people. And giving, you know disputing the actions and doing research, it was not easy. But I think we've way for many other companies right now to follow the spotlight. One thing I know that has been following. It now is given Nova they thrown design very much resembles hours and noted that's in here. We know when we innovate and create a way we would not acting. Right, it's. Something that everybody else can follow and in A. Way. I'm not happy that other people are following. It means that all of this effort that we spent as a team at. And with FDA, an spent by FDA is worth worthwhile. It's not just for one. Absolutely, you know that level of trust in collaboration I mean it really you know it's going to benefit patients, and that's what it's all about another interesting thing I think about the breakthrough pathway and it really leads to the next guy onto you is is the linkage with reimbursement because as we all know, it's it's. It's been a long time since just regulatory approval was enough for a venture backed company to To certainly get an exit but But now you know you really have to get out there in many cases and developed the market, and that can be challenging is a new innovative therapy. So talk a little bit about the the linkage through the breakway breakthrough pathway to reimbursement and and then we can get into a little bit of reimbursement specific quick. So, when we talk about the reimbursements the. An I'm saying this in a positive way the big advent in the room m s the center of Medicare Services Rights. CMS. Kind of defines the deduction wind would be blowing great in many of the private payers end up following. CMS No. Some therapies on mental young good patient population to has no say. The what I'm going to say is not applicable for a setup like ours heart failure two thirds of the patients out above the age of sixty five. CMS is eight hundred pound gorilla. In under the leadership of secretary as our ED Commissioner Seema Verma's ems decided. To leverage the excellent work that FDA has been doing on the breakthrough therapy. And usually you've seen this often among FDA among government agencies sometimes. That is trust but verify a Madonna. In this situation, CMS decided to trust. The FDA in their assessment that this therapy deserves the status of Rexel and not questioning it right. So FDA works under the premise whether this therapy safe and effective. For Cms it's about whether it's reasonable. Necessary. Those different dimensions and yet cms decided you know what FDA did all of this work upfront in design designated the spotlight through with that that words at face value. That is huge I. Don't remember other times. We've seen this right in last year in April? So April Twenty Nineteen Commissioner Seema Verma issued a press release. That mentioned the entire ATP. PT. Changes, in that requirements. For devices have breakthrough status. So the end up is the new technology add on payments. The party is the equivalent bathroom for outpatients procedures in d. idea he is that usually for those. To add on payments. The requirement is that the setup he has been often. Therapy has to have a certain cost at requires changing the payments. Third which was the hardest one to get is the therapy has to prove that it's providing a significant clinical benefits. Unmet needs that third one is where most product failed the test for anti tvd For breakthrough devices starting this year that third one is waived so they automatically get it. So if FDA besides a product X. is breakthrough in I approved, it's FDA approved. It's Then cms would say or. that. Significant significant Lincoln improvement check without after Destin's it's done. And that is a huge step forward. That is even talk about more actions that cms would be doing soon, some related to the executive. Order. That was issued last year. What is it earlier this year I'm losing track with Govan. So we will probably see in the near future announcements from cms in regard to break through as well. A to coverage. Those alone. Are Worth the upfront investments. For a company to go through the breakthrough pathway. I couldn't agree more and it's you know we you know getting on the same side of. Know the. Table, with CMS, and the payers is I think one of the biggest challenges for our industry and Because you know there's a history I think of distrust Maybe. It's not. You know always stated but I think there's sort of an undercurrent of distrust about really the value of innovation and I think the more that we can be in the same room and talking to these people and Helping educate them, and also you know delivering the Science and the evidence that shows that we not only improve outcomes but we you know these technologies can reduce cost as well. You know that sort of interaction I think the only way to really. Begin to do that and I know you've got a lot of ideas on nine grabs. Other ways we can improve reimbursement talk a little bit about. Maybe, we start with coding because there's a sort of a dilemma that all young companies are faced with in trying to establish reimbursement. In that's this dilemma. Kind of one. If you're deemed cat- category three code, your investigational in that's like a almost the codeword forgetting deny. By payers of, but then there's also this dilemma of having yet widespread utilization in order to to get a coat in that can be you know that can be tough when you don't have nobody can get paid for it. So maybe TACO's a little bit about some of these challenges that are built into the system in May be ideas or ways that we can start to alleviate that. The coding dilemmas and interesting. One. So let me explain how this works. I need to simplify Elizabeth. So cms defines codes for every procedure, but they don't locate the coats They say they have a procedure has to have a code, but they don't see what that code is. They delegated. that. Function to the American Medical Association Ama. An Ama has created a group within them. To manage this. And over the years. A started to become a significant source of influence end Avenue Forty eight that fortune. There was one issue that they were trying to solve. Ama was signed to solve under a think might could be joining this effort within a years ago. And that is about novel innovative therapies when they do not have codes. So. They said, if we go ahead and create the same level of Goat's everything existing setup novel therapies, some of those novel therapies could be a fad that will go away in the future. Creator codes. That could have to stay forever even though the setup he might not exist in two years because nobody wants it. So they created this classification of category one and category three where the category three is for those novel procedures had we do not know if that he had to stay or justified The problem is that the unforeseen problems too that they? Ama did not think that would become a problem but now it's accused The criteria to move up codes from three to one is to demonstrate that. You have to have more than more products you have to have more than one doctor using it and the debt one cartoon called the whites spread utilization in at one moment they thought at least ten percent of the patients could be treated with the vice should be leaked with the device before we notes you have to stay. So for a device like the better studio, it would be a no hundreds of thousands of patients. While When they did this, it was meant for good reason they really wanted to know if the setup is here to stay or to go away. But then the unforeseen consequences of this is on the private payer sites private Bayer's took that opportunity of this gasification. To start denying all of the procedures that are coated undercoat's three. Saying this is not proven technology. It's category three. It's innovative experimental. You hear all of these words. So now, we end up in a situation where to consequence of this out hurting Ama. Number One. They need to get to the widespread legislation, but they can't because be those products are not being reimbursed. That will never get ten percent of the patients need them if they're not getting paid for. The first issue sepe that could be saving, lives Could die because they could not get over that payments discrepancy. The. Second issue is more acute to Ama physician payments? Many players refused to pay the doctor fees. If a procedures code on the category three. So now, how can we get a widespread utilization? If we tell the doctor, you have to do this procedure for free. Get ten percent of the patients lead by physician saying you know what I'm going to volunteer and do all of this for free and not getting paid. Feels like what yeah may try to do or fifteen years ago with this categorization of the codes? Came back and backfired on the device industry of the physicians. Most importantly on the patients. So now, it's the challenges up to a fix this situation with the coding and odd different ways that could be fixed ama is aware of it. We adjust would love to work with them on finding a good fixed at once for all. Could be either. Prohibiting companies from segregating like this, that's difficult to do or finding a different mechanism than Gaudoin go three. Retire those coats at exist anymore. Exactly and of course, reimbursement is incredibly complex and you always do a great job of distilling it down in a way that at least people making understand that you know the second part of a reimbursement of courses coverage and that also has been riddled with the issues but you and I talked a little bit about this idea of shifting our thinking maybe a incremental coverage could. Maybe, talk about that and and the maybe the potential. For that to be a way for companies to establish a beachhead. At. I'm a big proponent of incremental assume rather than binary outcomes. You know. Whether it's FDA, I've always said this FDA approval thank could be a place in the future by more gradual approach other than a binary you know preapproved posts. But with CMS, it's it's easier to do. The coverage could be determined. In an incremental fashion rather than all or nothing like it is today so because it's an all or nothing. Today payers and CMS takes extreme. CARE before they approve the coverage of device because they don't want to open up those win vein, you know everybody's using this device. Before they're comfortable. That is reasonable unnecessary. But they will not get comfortable if that is reasonable necessarily CNN volume. So you see issues where your chicken and the egg, an incremental way of doing things that have been, for example, starting by coveting device in some segment of patient population or some segments of hospital settings or physician specialties and so forth. So you start collecting the evidence as you know, the penetration of a device. Rather. Than being all or nothing like it is today. But one thing Jeff I wanna say people don't realize this. Very few devices received a coverage determination from cms. Because they don't need to. Okay. So crt devices we were talking about standard of care hot failure that is no national competitions zoomzoomnation. For CRT devices they just got paid. So the beauts is by default, a product will be covered. But where the rubber meets the road is what happens at the local level in a case by case, and you know medical directors saying have enough evidence and so forth when it's forcing companies to go and seek a national coverage determination. Salmon the CMS team that does NCD's is vegetable. They cannot do this for every single product that had the market. So, we have we have to select which one's odd worthwhile. And in CD and before you could on destroyed clearly, you don't want to get a negative. Coverage decision. That's much worse than anything. than the claim by claim. So my advice to many companies is before you start talking about a national coverage determination or even local coverage. Think. Try it out. See where the bottlenecks is trying to fix that I see if you can solve them locally. Rather than go through the main road with entities except a few breakthrough. In which case I'm hopeful that maybe there will be an announcement soon, that will supervisors pathway. It'd be. Really a huge improvement think in again in our ability to improve access of these technologies for for doctors and patients. So much we we can cover in these. I want to make sure we hit on. Today is really around leadership and building leadership team and and you know I think from the day we met have been so impressed with the team you've built and they stayed intact at crx by large. Through many ups and downs and and and for many years, and so maybe talk a little bit about your team. In also about building in eight plus team and maybe pulling people from big companies, a small companies what's what that's like? It's a big topic Jeff. A phenomenon. Every time I look it out and then I see who I'm working with and I feel. So last I cannot imagine how lucky I am. To, member of the steam. And it's not just the one layer you know vice-presidents. Officers but one or two layers below them as well. Let me. So you mentioned Greg Palmer earlier or VP of marketing. And impact is having right now is doing, but I can take so many other examples of. The innovative clinical. Designing. Two phases one that Guy Leeann d-brunswick came about with you know and. They. Not only convinced me and our cynic committee, but they convince FDA announced becoming way to do. Its work. Eleven below Dean and Krause alzira directed of quality. Phenomenal Star. The CASE FOR QUALITY EFFORTS WITH FDA? He's been part of actually. Has. been part of nine quality pilot programs. With, FDA and for the regulators. Nine pilots over the past five years. That is not a single one that up a new thing where I would not raise that. You know what? That's good for the company. Let's do it. Let's be bothered. And it's it's phenomenon worke. and He's been with the company. Now I think thirteen or fourteen years phenomenon. I can go on and on and on. I'm just highlighting one example. Here we have. We do. We are lucky at sea Jax we do back above average when. You go to these meetings whether it's advocated MCI see or others. See fabrics often featured prominently. And it's not about me it's about. Everybody, in the team is doing it. One example right now, on the signs of patient inputs. We are trying to understand. How designs in Diffuser? Should assign their statistical. P value right. So we all talk about values zero point zero five is statistically significant while. Yeah but. With the way the defied come from. It's one in twenty, five communes of twenty thrive on one of them will be successful by chance not because of the product is good. Is that good enough not good enough what it depends. It depends when he asked patients and we have established a scientific method to get that from the patients in defiance. So we decided to a project in heart failure six Gajah. Vascular companies. Are the SPA jets, medtronic Abbott. boscell scientific. I'd life sciences argument NCI X. The chair of this committee is deemed branding from CRX. An FDA spotify's Duke spotify DC at is part of it big. Project. It will change the way we look at the values in the future for heart failure and pave the way for other indications as well. Just, one example see that access not only they ask. Would also sometimes in the leadership role. And I don't know. I'm maybe I'm lucky. I love being fought the. Well it makes a huge difference in end. You've got them to keep the faith through the ups and downs over the years. Maybe talk a little bit about that I. Mean That's a fact these these. Team team members of really stayed in place for a long time and in endured volatility president. Really Emily any startup but. What what is some of the elements you think I mean I'm sure part of it is you know individual to each of the people but. What sort of kept everybody. kept the face how you instill instilled that. I think jeff the way. We hire spill. The way we set expectations when you're hiring people makes a difference most of my team came from larger companies. Liz golly Boston scientific demanding Saint Jude's correct Palmer both pasta scientific guided send you. I came from medtronic and Ana not right. But we ask ourselves often the question before we join a company like see, Jax? It is about, who are we? What do we enjoy? What do WanNa see what do an accomplish in life? Right now, for example, we have high adding. Our Saints Force in the United States. And I don't try to convince people to join Ceefax how would tell them the way thinks they are. And if they feel inside of them they know it's You know simple things I wanna ask them what type of vacations do you like to spend? D prefer to go all inclusive resorts. Be Locked by the pool sipping cocktails watching. sunsets. Would you prefer to do rock climbing Whitewater rafting and then in the Evening Camp Both had valid. Both are good. I'm not criticizing one or the other, but depending on your answer to this question if Mike tell you whether you morse made for the comfortable life in logic company. Versus, the excellent dating. Life in a startup. We do have highs we'd have lows we're not steady. In a company and because of how we select people at the beginning. They are Wyatt to accept those very highs lows and keep you know the support of steadiness. And calmness. In a columnist inside of themselves. Well that I think that's a great way to sum up both the experience of working in a start up also you know the excitement of. Upbringing BARRIS HIM NEO to market. So Nadeem, this is really been terrific in one thing I love about this business businesses that you constantly learn and say I've learned so much from you whether it's statistics of reimbursement or in commercializing new therapies been in a real pleasure over the years and and not just from you your team as we're talking about your team as well. so many experts there. So really appreciate you taking the time today. Very excited. See this technology, get out to the larger patient population and thank you so much. Thank you Jeff. Get Your podcast that we shared it. Great thank you. Off.

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So it's going to do when supllies from boone's as a massive game in the front bundesliga the weekend was the of a power shift. Dust statement victory. There was a couple of statement draws in the women's super league which is something. I've yeah i've thrown We'll touch on a couple of other leagues before touch on some of the stuff. That is going to be a little bit of a nice easy monday one. Yup yup into this massive weekend in the women's superleague too big dhabi's while three big dhabi's release seconds dhabi as well which wanna begin also chelsea. I actually wanted to begin with them. Yeah miss is really interesting game. Not run manchester united's to manchester city to city went tuneup of to lock just before halftime. Two second half time versity and then united drip back an almost one layton and biscuits interesting. Because i felt united out four city even when city with enough were were up. It sounds so strange to say it but like you think well. I feel united. Made better use of their pieces. Done said he did. I mean that's the show over the. I think over the course of the whole ninety minutes. Yeah i mean you obviously. Of course even then. I was watching going missing. I almost wonder if the first time the city have too many playmakers in that scored have too many because so they have colby was amazing was amazing. I want to say that and effect to be almost a third in terms of the way she pulls away and builds play was almost a third. Eight tubs of playmakers amazing. It occupies central spices. Much way. hasn't been her best this year. I think that's fair to say. This is so strange because that game the chelsea City committee show much her and some have kind of been playing the same way since opening game so strange. I just watching both their careers. Parallel slaughter dwell me. Let me slide calm. Considering that quality. Dan not quite the level of delivering the level that they may be one too. And i look at that city and then also an white was slightly off target and she had to write chattan. Does she snatched even even that. That role is strange. Like she's playing in this midst from three but with the isolated considering city have behind her is so strange to see a nine in that formation so isolated considering house that he donated the phone larry's so it was like city were dominant but what making best use of their pieces whereas united made full use of all the pieces. I thought even relation to midfield. Like jackie cronin this season. She's having just in terms of her self sacrifice. Containment a midfield has been outstanding. And i think this game you come away from this game watching united and think my god this soda because they figure you out contain you they figure you out. They start imposing themselves. And by the end i felt worth strongest side. Yeah i thought so. Yeah on the balance. They should have like eight one that game that would have been absolutely fair result cases thirty said after the game that she completely got it wrong in the first half and then i think you saw that with the way them much nicer came out in the second completely changed the game. Yup is interesting what you said about much not using the most piece because i thought that they were so superior especially for the first twenty minutes the whole of the first half and they probably should have been more up to half time club. Kelly's goal was unbelievable. Phillips really finished british nice angle from behind the go away. You see how much he's had to like run around the defender in kind of outside of the foot into the country twice. You try to jam reminded me off fits golden. Has i guess. I xe the kim that you did mention her. Well yeah because the way that she was like she tried it twice and was so funny. You don't often see it. She was like trying to pick the lock. What round outside the right. And it came back to her then she was like okay now. I've got the goal and it was such a clever. You could see her. Thinking is the. That's why i love coach. He's so clever. At like improvising. She can pull wide and play. She could play wide all day. Which eventually did the other day. She's devastating penalty box. Also have penalty-taking technique is off. The scale is one of the best but one of the best. You'll see anywhere really. She was probably the player that i mean. Harrison mir samir is first i in particular was on another level some mirrors israeli in a groove at the moment. I think it was light worked for her. It was the way she built tax and do it. She would basically like she would construct the player. She was stalking the ball. she would take. It was strange because she's taking tobaks then within a few paces should be on the edge of that book setting everything up. This is actually something. I was gonna say because i think how high six foot right so fight makes her look kinda like what he see. Wendy renault right yep and that the physical presence is something that dominates of discourse around them but you is is rapid. Yeah there was one bit in the first half where they broke forward. And i think it's exactly the thing that you mentioned what. She saw the attacking a few paces on the opposition bucks. Yes overtaken so many people yeah. She's been so impressive this season. Maybe we'll touch on the orbit because in a little bit. Because i wanted to just wrap up the first off with yes show like laura came with the first of two goals in this game console. Wt cpi and then ten minutes in second half tobin heath with an angry goal and celebration combo the amount of tweets. We got about the agricole. We got nine tweets. Yeah yeah people are anglo. Yeah you don't need to read it from us on that. That's an angry goal. We felt that could feel about. Yeah i think it was. The red voices does a great podcast. That she a shoutout to read voices much as focused and they cover Both teams are women's teams and they may commented like just can't believe that she had that from their angle is almost like slice with the kind of talk laces almost like discuss across it ended coach either. Ripston he rips. It came from a really really good spell of manchester united pressing as well and they just kind of sits the full bronze into an era tobin. Heath didn't even take a talk. She just hit it first. Time lovely angry celebration is great pressing this weekend. Actually in those in the great pressing in this one and then curse hansa. Nikolai shot up to her. She made a huge difference on the flight. It really did. And casey sunny deserves credit for. She brought on custody hans halftime. So jessica cigs worth off. And i think really helped united lauren. James had an impact when she came on as well breath her feet. She's like a drew spent her andrew spence. I think those two that may be the best extra in terms of english players extract themselves from lock small spaces that footwork in and around. That area is unreal. Yeah yeah and like you said. Tonight's probably could've naked the end. Yeah finished finished the game by far the better side. They remain top of the league. They were still unbeaten aside in the league chelsea. Who haven't lost. I think it raised a couple of questions for regarding taylor after the game because he hasn't really found a way to integrate roosevelt now. Roosevelt had a tricky. If injuries she she missed a lot of the challenge cup washington spirit because she. I think she had a hamstring problem. So she's been she hasn't been fully fit for a while especially in this. Stop start here. However when she has played for my city of it's been from the bench and when she started she's been played wide not really to her strength as essential playmaker and there was a lot of on twitter about a wessler roosevelt. She didn't get off the bench saturday and this is a problem that they could figure out because they haven't been wildly creative. This season much having scored apart from the bristol city game. They've not scored a a huge mop goals. They can be contained. This is the problem in the canyon. I don't think i was watching them and thinking about like coaching to their full level like united. You see them playing the full extent and city across the board. I'm seeing like seventy percent. Seventy percent of what. They can do a mass. That's a concern for them. And i you know when. I say they got too many playmate because i'm like well. Yeah because it's not. They don't ruthless not ruthless enough and highlight will had a great game. The united just in terms of the containment and just sort of We're going to give them into field. Give the possession. But it's like evidence that caught fire everton. Basically city have to be concerned. About how many blows their landing and teams just absorbing them especially at the very top of the league of the very top of the league admits an element of we kind of know what they're gonna do to us. If that makes sense and the theme lavelle lavelle basic gives you explosive but most people can do confronting running but lavelle breaks the fields right running and her angles and yet the angles of her passing her running the cuts that she makes. That's a unique skill set and they brought in a i. I saw the carry on with the. I thought to myself. Yeah that's funny because you using color scope. It goes before he's a tried and tested prote- but she's also something to which they've seen before right. They've seen that they haven't seen but roosevelt running at a united midfield is actually quite radical proposition. And it's a brain. She said she's probably the one of the greatest purveyors of the fela kuti theory plus the everything. Scott everything's whereas your count on with his life. If that makes sense the safest substitution could And i just thought. I thought i saw is the Could have been bribe me too me too absolutely awesome. One chelsea one in the top of the table clash of the week and also taking the lead late in the game five. Beth made thanks to an angry with me to bar cyst. Yes there was this point who've made about super quiet mostly the game. I think she only completed one pass in the first half and in the second half chelsea completely swarmed arsenal and the open up ten. Fifteen minutes of the game also just couldn't really get our tool. maybe ten. Ten minutes of the second-half wasted a few good chances after awesome how to cope. Look good chances in the first half like caitlin ford. Hit the bar twice. Believe i've never seen that in my life. Someone tweeted oh. My three started cheering for women. Couple minutes later for his the ball twice and she is that happened all the time. Study so no no. It really doesn't it will never happen again. In your life. Hit the shelf from what. Twenty five builds. Yeah hit the ball fluently from the ad and hit the bar again. It was unbelievable. It was to be a win thing. Because i think the wind was quite far towards that chelsea. Go as it was the crossbar before. Then in the second half bonilla missed a couple soccer. Mr couple and chelsea looked like they run top for that opening minute and then the problem not a problem but the thing is would ask them who is still missing some key injuries. Kim little i mean because you have people like they've made them are and some of the england contingent lay williamson and the kind of business when she plays if someone like. Danni alexander dunk the goalscoring ability. If beth made. I think kim little sometimes gets left out of the. I think the the people who really really follow women's football always talk about kim litto contemptuous wider persuasion. The her contribution or him important awesome side often gets overlooked. She is like the equivalent of having a job in the start up. Because you see her. When awesome absorbing a huge amount of pressure her ability to just on the bull in tight spaces almost like coaxing awesome. Allow of a defensive position to yes. Yes yes yes she. She's really really amazing. She did this a number of times during the game where she kind of just like you almost feel you could almost feel the pressure fall away from the seventeen point time to get out of crowded car park like a really patient really patient. She's the only way out of comeback. You know when you come back from. Lock your your shopping. Run and someone's books in and you just find a way out. It's just like that. Like option turn option. Option like always always. Yeah and she was. I thought she was absolutely brilliant. Old game actually actually want to meet him. I think was kind of left her own devices because of all that play in the center field. It was almost like you'll have to fend for yourself much of this game. I think i think that was that that makes sense. And that's actually where the also came from me. Tamalpais up on the left hand side is run i think it was mara melda and just thought this is it. And he actually. It came not long familiar. Bright went down injured and looked pretty bad way. But emma hayes left iran and she just couldn't close me demain down great ball into the book and beth made put away up so late in the game. Was it five minutes degar. Maybe later i think even eighty six minutes okay and you really felt like us know that would have done it and then chelsea made a couple of substrate away and then am that was. That was it. Pinilla brought down the right hand side one on one with Lottie we've been more and then tried to square the bowl and women moi just basically slid in deflected up as burger a bit freakish. Actually because it's so weird. Because if i saw a few people criticize sins burger about it and i couldn't make my mind up actually because i thought that yet potentially she could have taken a couple of steps back. There's a really good angle from the byline and it takes a witch project jewelry and he gets up so fast it gets up so i don't know it's one of those ones when she'd been named play the matra not stunning performance in central defence. So it was like such a cruel. I don't think have. Oh no no no no it was. It wasn't but still you still feel the responsibility. Don't you still feel some curb. Really could have won the game not long after she broke through. Should've loved iva. Yes you should have. I think this the thing for this is the thing. That's going to be a bunch of mrs from this first third of the season or whatever where she will look can be like i at my best schools. It's just one of those things i think. The chances are premium these games. And it's difficult because it's hard to deliver consistently when you're feeding off of this scraps off jones's that's because made her name to be on his elsewhere in the women's super leak. Brian beat west ham. One no good goodwin for brian. They should have had a penalty while in the fest. There's an absolute gleaming. Penalty missed spurs. This is a massively disappointing results. Spurs bristol city to spurs to this kind of game spurs should be winning absolutely should be winning and they're still winless. This season the only side to the all winless opera city. That first point of the season was that spurs game two. That was bold. Move alex morgan. It's funny because i looked at that when she went in there and thought that that team needs like more pieces to make it competitive like that was. That was the time i didn't. They during its bristol city. But i think the move for alex morgan. We spoke about before. I think the best thing. It's a pressure-free returned to fitness. Play back into full Shot a baby less than six months ago. Decent project to play in the league against some of the best players in the world. I think that move. Khanna makes no sense especially you know being in london this stuff but does a poor result for spurs. They did go down to ten players. They had rounded team was sent off for our which i thought was a little bit harshly but still considering a last minute. Equaliser is not good again especially Bristol city who have been basically hammered by everyone. This season birmingham on the second stage Vela one and everton though reading are quiet an austere at side radio. Good side yeah. Yeah yeah. I mean also everton victim of i think heightened expectations other than we can say it was a cop hang because the game was a while ago now by reading decent side and of breakdown am evanston those still two points ahead of manchester city so the table as it stands much to talk on seventeen points also second sixteen chelsea third fourteen chelsea just have a game in hand against villa if they win that though an epson fourth my city v most the super league man. I mean those games. Those games are superb and yeah just quickly on on chelsea as well the ferocity of depressing talk controversial for you to be still the best team in that division. I think they're still the fibers to win like yup germany. It was a gigantic weekend in the frown. Liga it was that we say it a snl. Freiburg nil i respect to respectively. Doing that the second biggest game the weekend big weekend. Bye against boost. Book club presidents pasta and present turn up towards this signed the fixtures importance and yet buying votes book. Full one them. Yeah now missing. Full players for this pyeho will soon and bremer is a huge absences. These are players. Who would make a difference to the peak having said that the ferocity with which bind began this game with just they just the the the the a few years ago by being thrashed by volksbank. Last time i saw them play they. It was a one all draw and buying came to a vote. Spokane assertive action by the end. Could have snatched it but still ultimate quite defensive phase this one they won the front foot drought. The run of really good run actually against wolfsburg. Why haven't lost to wolfsburg in five games ago last six no in the lake and even before that they won the game before the as well as they've actually you know bug one to the last seven between these two which has been slowly kind of shifting sign of the times buying got closer and closer by she said like missing alot of players buying having added strength in depth Just me shrivenham for great p. She wrote about this buzz about how this was effectively statement victory but also specifically about how well have integrated new players. Matt's non small achievement. I think five plays integrates. it consider. We've just discussed how city of have trouble. Also the covert season so people like people coming in with the different levels of a fitness. Both mental and physical and bind have discussed this thing done. They are looking sufa. Dangerous hundred record in the league and played nine one nine scored thirty and the goal that they conceded was it was a penalty. Yup yup boost scored the first goal bind conceived in the league this season. What's interesting about this as well. The team in slide aspects concerning is how quickly lena oberdorf has become a vital for them about ten nineteen lay number of soviet union. Right so you know. An amazing planet a dream world. It was in a pop oberdorf midfielder be great to watch but she's quickly become a creative For them and i notice in the final in the chonreznick. Leon what you were saying at the time of a high point for this voice book. I'm just worried about the replacements. The players that broughton roseburg. I worried that like they're not going to run. Europe loss lot did i thought of those. Changeover guardia european level of the final. But there's also a changing happening league level to 'em missouri changing the at european leveler winona tons of the pecking order like sold out farmland. Thought this time. Next year auditing full. Spoke are going to be like leila's main challenger that makes sense that makes sense so obviously the dominant grow piece of it on the just his brilliant as i said. Britain is just adequate. This excellent. that'll go smooth pita actually not quite as good as crunchy. But if it's all there you'll take it that's basically what my written work is like. That's the that's the most thing you said. What is oversleeping above. Yeah that that could be the new populism but you're a smooth being a book. We are because i cook with a lot Using shit wind to cook like you know. I'm talking about slice of peanut. No no no because you cook you. Don't cook with a full year. But levine in the same way that you don't well as she the all of us but some of us look at this guy. Everyone book in public school of even if you merely town i should have not really anyway wonder at some point. We'll talk about my recipes with smooth peanut butter. Yeah but i'm talking about on taylor. I mean on toast i. I haven't had tyson of time to be honest about the whole peanut butter as a whole. Is this like one of those like my hand crooked over the jaw. 'cause it's actually the i used to eat it all the time. It's the dryness. Actually now snow play chat. Oh my god. My god still come out by skit out within dreadfully off. Wow wow oh my goodness have a good man he better. You'd better off to ask. So where would we bought the league top league and looking powershift looking extraordinary looking really special. We'll be careful though because to being a hot on the heels only three points behind them overseas to being has ship with hata flying returning to some of the potential classic being the teams. This was the real classic over the weekend to be frank for the old school. Classic tabby in frankfurt one no and up to third quickly in spain buses game against abe was postponed. Pull boss alone. I keep getting that game spun because of covid restrictions but they Four points behind ten reef with three games in hand athletic. Two points ahead of him boston. Five straight so they all of that game so far having conceded a goal unless he bet betis four one probably the biggest game in the weekend. Rahmatullah be one no taken away doing all right athlete. Row matured good acquisitions. Yeah if in the league. In france leon are obviously tom. A one scored twenty conceded to but that a tricky game on the weekend for them only winning five one on friday against soil. psg meanwhile a second after fourteen nil win against a c fourteen nil mussa not and got six. I mean at this level. At this point i just want to see what 'cause obviously not tired of losing anytime soon or not winning any anytime soon. I wonder if there's going to be a change in. Be the champions league. Just a mismatch and resources fourteen now so dispiriting. That's the one thing. I have about this financial disparity. Ps second behind. Leo two points behind not in a demon is an absolute boss. She was the first footballer. I spoke to in terms of it into be at the women's champions league final in that we can in budapest. She's an absolute j. I don't think we've already spoke about her huge amount on this podcast but honestly shown tonight Either chat never game published with her about just just about football because she's got an amazing box story which i think a lot of people of her are aware of and when we had a shot at that and this was. I think i've talked about this before. The is amazing weekend around the women's champions league and budapest twenty nineteen and i was looking to go and attend. That was a big day of talks. And stuff. Like that. And i got in the day and i just said to the story about halfway afghanistan. She's done the tokes stuff and she said two hundred full and we just shot the shit about for awhile and she's an absolute and scored six on the weekend. I'd love to see her in the super league again. Because i know he went to city and it didn't really work out for her was she actually framed as in the in amazing ways she said you know all the thing was like now if you say like she she was saying you know if you see like address on the shelf and you love an amazing and he by and you take it home and it. Doesn't you still really want it to fit. It doesn't fit quite right and you never quite then it becomes quite way. Yes basically like. That's what much assistant and she said. A lot of people thought it was a money thing. She's gonna give shit about the money. Amazing i'm gonna make my money as a surgeon when she's oh she should. She's trying to. I think she's chinese best such oh she's qualified. She's qualified doctor massive props to not editing six goals on the weekend. Love that laptop for her. She's just amazing. She we rebel that and then get into a back. Stir art get into a mailbox. We're gonna virus. He says both gimmie three players. I play fell in love with watching the play. Second someone you wish. She could have watch live. Three favorite comply. Why is it such a scary question. Mark hughes i playful enough with mark hughes. Yeah because molecules. It always school those goals for united and their lean periods as a volley he scored against everton. I always talk about beautiful. Lob volley in into one old. Roy think pat nevin scored the opener. Not sure but everton and he's equalizing hughes which is score these beautiful volleys now and again and just dragging the data mediocrity time and again to hughes was the first. I think i was attracted to as much as the bravery. Technique was one thing but the bravery of hughes a play. I'd love to have watched live. I think peaks done with so poetic. I think zidane is the most elegant or either peaks on or no doubt. Let me go back to run out. Actually the president went out of the phenomenon at his peak is still the most devastating football. I've ever seen in any form so we're not live in favorite plan now right now she because macy's had a difficult start this seaside right now. It might even be greenish. Said joe no no right now joel. Embiid's moment in this particular precise moment. I love shafi looks much. He's probably he's top three me talk to but i think right now is greenish. Just the kind of just to see someone playing with so much freedom to see someone on whom the spotlight is finally falling even though he's being this level for a very long time so yeah probably jack closely followed rafi. Shroud greenish is mine. You mentioned john gruber shot. Let's see how she mean. Jack is one of those ones whereas like shroud greenish. I'm going to stop pushing the greenish to athletic. Don't funny about that. That would be incredible because the amount of defensive work that british does the hard work does he. Now that he player. He's the most english. Is the most letty english player. I think you saying it's about fucking everyone gets because pizza because that's because no one knows what it means. That's the thing is it doesn't mean anything about time. Someone she asked me. What does that mean like unexplained people here like it's an energy it's just pure deflection pure populism. Give the message what they want. It was like only has just amazing operatic waving them like but if you analyze it did i've. I've spent hours hours going into the wee hours of the morning. Like always sunny in philadelphia. Thing just with quotes. I'm like none of this means fucking anything. I've just figured out. I've been catfish stu time. This is the longest everyone's like saudi. I realized like guys again every now and again people get in touch. You're like i'm gonna go onto me. Like i feel like i've been rumbled. Good i could just keep going keep doing. I've fished everyone. That's it and i'm glad you did catfish stuck with me now. The world's subscribe and keep reviewing you know the buttons haven't even given answer. This is silly Okay i player fell in love with watching play. I think was probably david broke. Hostile ladies Something about that number seven show and the way he played that era vaas beautiful yellow navy away shirt when the league with. I'm filled in well. He chipped british markle before it was fashionable. I think i think he's one of those players. Actually who because if what ended up happening with injuries that i think he will forever go down as one of the most underrated awesome applies. Actually what england place actually england. David roku technical ability famous goal morton. Famous statements go when he basic. I think bryan robson the triple the will decision then chips. Markle from what that yards and michael is how far less than six years of his lung. An a chip. It wasn't a wasn't a dry if it wasn't alana's chip he was technically out of this world. And the smoothest i. It's weird that you comparisons to the daily thing which might rose lavelle stall running a stall of running that i think the way the cuts that he made and oftentimes patient bowl like an in house all but then widely but through the middle of the field very underrated extraordinary play extraordinary play. Yeah yeah someone. I wish i could have watched live. I would have loved to send coif live. Yeah yeah the three in a row i excited would have loved to live seventy four netherlands squad. I have loved to have seen live. He was obviously in both of those. So yeah i would have loved to seen play live m favorite current player Favorite women's players still probably vivid. Meet emma roosevelt. Obviously they might see probably favorite women's rights as normal citing injury right now. Would it be like. Oh yeah yeah right now. Yeah men's tough one. I've a real soft spot for the young guns coming through. You know. I love raina a lot. One of my favorite moments of the year was the i wrote that the goal against psg holdings on the floor of the camera angle coast to hold on the full celebrating and go rhino. Knoxville committed a shot like two young puppies just like job each other. So so wholesome just folklore. And i think he's going to be a potential bondo winner. Jeremy and i don't think that's a massive overstatement he's got i think he's got way. More potential polasek added the h. Actually creating rb degree and put a i think he's a player than pulisic. Was that age and that is saying something because you say extraordinary very highly. Right on is amazing. Fatty just makes me happy. Every time i same artist love him joy. Yeah plays that. Bring you joy at the moment. The my go-to and i think that a lot of that comes with the youthful. Naievty the these guys. I don't know how great they are. They don't know that they're applets in all these records like youngest player to score for spain youngest player going classical youngest by school for boss lowering youngest players going champions league football salerno all of this stuff you know for raina. Youngest americans start in the champions league youngest american or is it youngest assist maker in champions league or american things assists. Yeah all of this stuff like they just don't know where they probably do know but they don't care because these also what noma sisters lisa crunch time these a pivotal does so yeah. I probably those two in the primarily. Probably thomas party or not just because i lived in athletic Someone who. I never thought awesome sign but in that way and i still can't believe boston going to be honest. Credible there's a there's a crop sometimes of like la league central midfielders. That i think are just fun. He is just one kant. Believe awesome also. You'd love associated season. Where i would need this. You live in san sebastian. Go much brown sauce in every every other week. Saucy dot is one of those clubs where you look at the players go what it many for the leaf and you go there. Yeah leaves on not place. Is that to as if anyone hasn't been the best in. This isn't an ad. We're not working for the basque country tourist board though yet paul one day we shall exactly rice cooker. Richard nine rice. Cahoon data goodness nacho hundred. I'll of josh. Can you like less than an hour from bilbao. Bilbao is unbelievable. It's just that whole strip is and the food man the food gun hang out with job lonzo goodness me all right. Let's move on savings question here from marshall. Saint patrick ewing shots. The machine potty. Greg clock has resigned. Slush been moved on. But what does that really change so for those. You missed it. Fa while now former chairman. Greg clock resigned last week or was nudged after using outdated language but also just coming up with a wig point we we were talking about it in the south group and basically the faa have got an opportunity now to make a good higher. Yep and when you're dealing with spoke consisting of players from very diverse backgrounds get ahead of the operation that kind of reflects that or at least understands the diversity in the understood understand. Yeah like someone said That was a lot of common and this is the thing noise about. This conversation is the childishness which is conducted. Oh he's off his time. He said this he said that. All policing language okay. His bing people make mistakes or say city things or say ignorant things all the rest of it right. People are entitled to say with things that's the world society to be living living. Save it for the private members club. Save for the gulf coast for job and a position which is not rely upon you serving the needs of a broad range of constituents if your a doctor and you come out with comments about people in your community what it means is you might not be looking for right. Socioeconomic factors that trigger certain online symptoms. You look them because you're ignorant because if you'll saying stuff about oh this demographic this professional that profession then for example you might be like. Oh because you don't think that certain professions certain i'm minorities like professions. You might look for muscle strains. Because i'm like oh that guy copying auntie consultant. He's black without person. Can't be a fuller. He's asian whatever it means that your ignorance about these people's actual lives means that you don't spoke challenges that they might be navigating lives. He can't cater for them. That's the thing with greg clock. And i think a lot of people actually know that ryan. I think this conversation isn't really about doing the best work you can. It's because those people who facing a backlash a lot. The people who base initiating the backlash themselves arrogant in their personal lives they themselves. The projecting babe himselves cruel and mean and oh ignorant or whatever all three and they see. When clark has been cooled. The like that could have been me. Yeah and the thing is here. There's no debate this like unfortunately with with the contest over the last decade or so with debate and herring both sides. Actually when one side is wrong the wrong. Yeah they're onto sized story when there is a natural wrong thing here yes. Greg clock was fundamentally wrong. What you did. And i don't care if he's if a certain age you are representing an organization that is made up of really diverse set of members. Do the fucking work because the work isn't that hard. But i think it's i think. This is a cassette on twitter about daily mail targeting. Marcus rash foot for him by properly a couple of questions about that so maybe we could segue into that. Because yeah chris shoot worrell would love to his side thoughts on that newspaper the size signing marcus rush which was fair game and we had Another one from john lockin. What your thoughts on the absolute muck that was the article written about shriver the weekend to be honest with you that newspaper for longtime mclovin newspapers and fundamentally the paper generally follows. The mood of the read is evidently gets things wrong. Fundamentally provides a service he saw when the sunday did with hillsborough marcus. Russia's greatest crime to them was allowing children. I only two eight but to dream because they look marcus rush foot you came before he came from and he basically built an expertise and skill set golden expertise in a skillset used that platform to inspire millions and his greatest crime is going to be on now. It's like he questioned the basis of the wealth that he was making a questioned. The basis society in hurt rewards in her doesn't he didn't just take his money and shutoff racist crime. He took his money because he said things could be better. And that is immensely threatening. Its immensely threatening but this is why like call said. We're on rice house last week. Diversity in journalism is so vital. It's absolutely by to the more easy for everyone to access the gray of the quality of the work. Good every move onto a breakfast. Let's have this for financial crows. Dan can union make it to top four in the bundesliga. Bugai's be safe and take care. It's really show answer ready. Sorry but no resources resources resources even even even even in the medium to long-term nike not yet in terms in terms of vibes. That champions league no question. Art harris on max cruiser in the same yeah jars. Well you're showing showing up. Yeah showing up showing out. We had a load of things about tobin. 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But i think i think it has a large cumulative effect so you say i go into a little bit of the habit of just like sending people video messages from what. I'm just like walking somewhere. Yeah i said good yeah. He's actually dislikes phone. Rodman in transition off the pace books. The books folks the bars poke koster before we play out now. I'm good starts this week. Yeah maybe we should declare an annual study our week of vibes we should actually we caught tipped. Can you imagine. We played out this week on serpent by actress. And yeah hope. Everyone's during archaic. Stay safe from well rights house on wednesday. And then we'll be back with another episode on thursday

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Icelandic Hot Dog Stand and Signing Your Name 250,000 Times

The Anthropocene Reviewed

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Icelandic Hot Dog Stand and Signing Your Name 250,000 Times

"Hello and welcome to the anthropology and reviewed of podcast and as of today also book where we review different facets of the human centered planet on a five star scale. I'm john green and today. We'll be reviewing nice landik hotdog stand and the act of signing your name. Two hundred fifty thousand times in a five month period speaking of which signed copies of the anthrocene reviewed book are available in the us and canada. And also maybe in other places. There's an audio book as well narrated by me and there is an e-book if you prefer your reading screen based and searchable my podcast hero. Anna's sale of death sex and money set of the book. The embassy in reviewed somehow satisfies the contract demands. I have for a book right now. It's stimulates my brain while getting me out my head while taking me to faraway places while grounding me in the wonders of my every day which is incredibly kind and exactly what i hoped the book would be so thanks for reading and i hope you like it all right. Let's turn our attention to iceland in the summer of two thousand eight. My wife sarah. And i traveled to europe with another couple. Our friends laura and ryan. I like laura and ryan a lot but one thing you need to know is that they are the sort of people who really try to suck the marrow out of life and make the most of their brief flicker of consciousness and all that stuff. This is very different from my style of traveling wherein i most of the day psyching myself up to do one thing visit a museum perhaps and the rest of the day recovering from the only event on my itinerary. The trip took us from denmark. Sweden and then on to iceland a small and mostly rocky island nation in the north atlantic. That attracts tourists primarily by offering free stopovers to anyone who flies iceland's national airline. Iceland air. I was interested in visiting iceland partly because i have a longstanding fascination with tiny nations and partly because my publisher jewish strauss gable had told me she loved this one hot dog stand in iceland called bayern's be to answer the trips to sweden and denmark had been lovely there were smorgasbords and museums but the highlight had been an evening spent with ryan's swedish relatives. Who lived on the shores of some vast lake in the swedish wilderness. They welcomed us to their home and proceeded to get us blisteringly unprecedentedly. Drunk on sweden's national wicker bronfman. I do not often drink to excess. Because i have an intense fear of hangovers but i made an exception. That evening ryan's relatives taught us swedish drinking songs. And they taught us how to eat pickled herring and my glass kept getting filled with bronwyn until it lasts the eighty year. Old patriarch of the family stood up and spoke his his first english words of the evening and now the sauna so we got into the sauna and then after a while sarah and i stepped outside and walked knee deep into the lake. The eighty year old patriarch whose name was. I think lhasa joined us and he was standing there completely. Nude next to the ridiculously modest americans in their bathing suits and then lhasa cleft me on the back in what was intended to be a firm gesture of camry unprepared for the strength of his embrace. I fell face first into the lake. I was uninjured but my glasses were thoroughly and irreparably scratched from an encounter with the rocks in the lake bed. The next morning. I woke up reminded that my abject fear of hangovers is fully warranted and also unable to see much on account of the gouged. Glasses two days later we arrived just after don in reykjavik iceland's largest and really only city. I was still hungover which for me always means. A sour churning in the left side of my abdomen combined with a general desire to dissolve into the landscape. This is the real crux of a hangover for me. Alcohol consumption increases my vulnerability to despair. I understood that it was only the hangover talking but the hangover does talk rather outweigh hangovers. Also make me quite sensitive to lights which would have been a problem except that it was a hideously gray morning when we landed in reykjavik not just overcast but misty one of those days when you realize that the sky is just another human construct that starts wherever ground ends. We took a taxi from the airport. And the cabdriver. Was listening to some kind of icelandic. Talk radio that was turned up entirely too loud and i was squeezed between sarah and laura in the backseat. As we entered the city. I was struck mostly by it's eerie silence. There was not a single person out on the streets. Even though the weather wasn't that bad. It was a friday in summer. And i had imagined a small city where people walked all day to the butcher and the baker and the candlestick maker or whatever but instead the town was utterly still about four blocks from our hotel. The cabdriver said this is good. He stopped and asked us to pay him. We expressed an interest in his driving us all the way to our hotel but he said no it is too much is too much. What do you say too much stress from my perspective. It didn't seem that stressful to drive on these empty streets but whatever. I'm not an expert in icelandic driving. So we got out of the cab and began wheeling our suitcases down a wide abandoned sidewalk in central reykjavik sound of our suitcase wheels on the sidewalk stone tiles. The noise overwhelming amid such silence and then from nowhere and everywhere simultaneously came a shout followed by a grown. The entire city hidden somewhere inside the buildings. All around us seem to have made the exact same noise at the exact same moment. That was weird. Ryan said and we began speculating on why the city was locked down. Maybe there'd been some kind of weather threat that tourists weren't made aware of. Maybe it was a national indoor holiday. Maybe laura send. It's what that guy was listening to on the radio and at that moment the city's silence burst apart. A tremendous roar erupted all around us and people poured out of every doorway out of homes and stores and bars and into the streets. They were screaming in exaltation all of them yelling. Many of them had their faces painted in the colours of the icelandic flag and quite a lot of them were openly weeping. A tall fellow my age picked me up and held me up to the sky. Like i was simba. In the lion king and then embraced me as he wept. Someone draped a scarf around ryan's neck. What the hell is happening. Sarah with her trademark precision beers were handed around. We took some the initial chaos of screaming soon organized itself into song songs that were apparently very emotional because everyone except for us was crying. Some people had to sit down on the curb. In order to saab properly. The crown continued to swell. There are one hundred twenty thousand people in reykjavik and they were all on the streets all seemingly on this street making it to our hotel was an impossibility now we were in the throng amidst some great wave of human experience. And all we could hope for was to hold onto our suitcases as one song ended in. Everyone began to shout again. I decided to try it myself. I lifted my unopened can of beer into the air and shouted jaja. Although i did not know what we were celebrating i felt exultant. I loved iceland. I loved reykjavik. I loved these people whose tears and sweat smudged. They're red white and blue face paint. Eventually we were able to ascertain that iceland had just secured. Its first ever team olympic medal. In the sport of men's handball. I found myself wondering what event in my home country might lead to such shared celebrations. Cities celebrate when their team's win the world series or the super bowl. But the only time. I'd seen any public celebrations of a national event was nineteen ninety nine when the. Us women's national soccer team won the world. Cup i was living in the village of moose. Pass alaska that summer working at a cafe. My colleagues and i were watching the game on a tiny. Tv in the corner of the shop and after brandy chastain scored the winning penalty kick. I heard horns honking. And then a minute later a single voice from somewhere in moose pass shouted fuck yes america I didn't know much about men's team. Handball but i am willing to get excited about almost anything in sports and by the time we got to the hotel a couple of hours later. I considered myself a die. Hard fan of icelandic. Men's team handball. I wanted to rest in the hotel and perhaps watch some highlights. The excitement of my beloved team winning an olympic medal had exhausted me but my compatriots insisted that we should go out and soak in some iceland. Dick culture the crowd has thinned considerably and it was still early in the day so we visited a museum where we learned that because the icelandic language has changed so little over the centuries there classic sagas read like contemporary literature. We saw the chess table. Where bobby fisher defeated. Boris spassky in nineteen seventy two. We saw some waterfalls and quite a lot of rain which lashed us from seemingly angles rendering umbrellas useless when we return to the hotel around six sopping wet and bone cold. I begged my friends for a quiet night in. We'd done so much. Couldn't we just order room service and watch some handball highlights and go to bed but no the marrow had to be sucked out of life and so i reluctantly followed my wife and friends out into what would have been the evening except that in summertime reykjavik. The sun doesn't set until after ten. We walked by yarns. Bits appeal sir. That hot dog stand. Julia recommended and stood in a surprisingly short line outside a small building decorated with an anthropomorphic frankfurter wearing a chef's hat. I'd been told to order one with everything. And i did a hotdog with remove lod sweet mustard and bits of fried onion the hotdogs beyond bits. Pulitzer are famous. They are featured in travel guides and tv shows. This hotdog stand has been rated on a five star scale by thousands of google users and like anything that has become exceedingly popular. There is widespread backlash many reviews point out that this is after all just a hotdog. Nothing too special. One wrote not that good had better at a gas station reported visitor named doug like doug. I am often disappointed by much-hyped culinary experiences partly because of the weight of expectation. and partly. Because i just don't like food that much and yet i found the hotdog at barnes. Betsy appeal superior not just worthy of the hype but if anything under appreciated i don't even particularly like dogs. But that hot dog was among the most joyous culinary experiences of my life a few months later in the fall of two thousand eight an economic recession would sweep the globe and iceland would be among the nations hardest hit with its currency declining value by thirty five percent as the recession took hold and credit froze expert said we were experiencing a once in a lifetime economic contraction although as it happened the next once in a lifetime. Economic contraction was only twelve years away. We should get out of the habit of saying that anything is once in a lifetime. We should stop pretending that we have any idea how long a lifetime is or what might happen in one and yet i strongly suspect that are long day in iceland really was once in a lifetime on the chilly summer day iceland secured their first ever team olympics metal. I ate a hotdog while huddled with my friends. It was the greatest hot dog. I have ever eaten cured. My multi day hangover and cleared the film from my eyes in sent me out into the reykjavik twilight feeling the kind of close to the chest joy. That cannot last. But also doesn't need to give the hotdogs of barnes at superior sir five stars after the break some thoughts on signing your name two hundred fifty thousand times but i owe the first thing to know is that it's going to take a while. If you rush you can maybe sign seven hundred sheets an hour. But you're not a machine which is one of the primary lessons of this endeavor when you account for the time spent boxing unboxing and sorting and stacking and whatnot. This will take a bit less than five hundred hours plan. Accordingly here's how it will work. You will hold a sharpie in your right hand on your lap. A stack of papers known as tippin sheets. You will sign a sheet and then another and then another once. You've signed three thousand sheets. You'll use this extraordinary machine made in nineteen seventy-two called electro jog. That bounces the papers around until they're perfectly aligned. You'll put the electro jug sheets into a box and once. You've filled eighty-three boxes. You will send them all to the printer in virginia. Where will insert one signed sheet into each book as being bound so that every copy of your books first printing is autographed when you are finished with the signing and carrying the boxes up from the basement you will begin to wonder about the actual mass of this enterprise. And you'll calculate that the two hundred fifty thousand sheets in total way around two thousand two hundred pounds after learning this. It will become completely impossible to resist the urge to tell your spouse that you have signed a sheet ton but before you can make those terrible puns. you'll need to do the actual signing hold the marker wisely remember what that physical therapist told you once. The sharpie is doing the work. Not your hand. Keep your relaxed. Don't hold tension in your neck. Occasionally you'll want to draw a spiral to mix up the motions. Your hand is making but the real question is not what your hand will do for these five hundred hours but what your mind will do. What will you think about. Sometimes you'll listen to podcasts or an audio book. You'll make your way through barbara turkmens history of fourteenth century europe and hillary men tells trilogy about thomas cromwell but much of the time. You won't listen to anything you'll just sit there signing as your thoughts wander about. Sometimes the hours will pass like the landscape passes on a road trip. And you'll find yourself happily daydreaming about where each signature might go. Some will end up recycled. Some will end up in places you've been. Maybe this one signed in your favorite sharpie color of intergalactic indigo will end up on your old high school campus. Maybe another signed in green with a spiral scrawled in the corner. We'll go to ocala. Florida where you saw haley's comet with your dad in nineteen eighty six most will travel to places you've never seen and will never see that's a lovely thought of book on adventures. Its author could never imagine someone told you once that they read the fault in our stars while sailing alone across the atlantic and only later. Did you think of what you wish you'd said in response. Thanks for taking me on. What will almost certainly be my only transatlantic sailing trip other times. You'll struggle with your thoughts with your hand. Cramping and deadlines looming. You'll feel exhausted and frustrated. You have to sign every night every weekend for months. This is ludicrous. this is literally sisyphean. You will wonder why exactly you are signing your name. Two hundred fifty thousand times is merely a publicity stunt. If so it's not a particularly good one literally. No media outlet has written about this absurd endeavor. Sometimes you will think that the signing is an attempt to make people happy to give them the little burst of joy. You always feel when you come across assigned book other times. You'll think that you are doing it for yourself to give your burnt out stressed drenched self. Something's specific and measurable to do. Of course you'll also think about the obvious psychologist explanation. You will remember being nine years old and winning a writing contest. That meant you could attend the florida. Young writers conference of one eighty seven. And you will remember that very famous author whose books you loved was the special guest at that conference and that you stood in line with dog eared. Paperback copies of his books. Only to be told that the very famous author was only signing new cover books which you didn't have money to buy you will remember how small and silly you felt holding those books. You loved that. The author himself didn't seem to care that much about in adulthood an author yourself. You'll realize that the very famous author probably wasn't nearly as wealthy as you thought he was and you will understand how much pressure is placed on authors to sell their new books. But still it is not hard to sign your name and you vividly remember being that heart sunk nine year old and it is probably not a total coincidence that your first memory of authors was of not getting an autograph and now you sign your name quite a bit. What else will you think about. Sometimes you will think about the signatures themselves the little imperfections. You can't seem to rid yourself of even after all this practice. Sometimes you will think about how many sheets you have left in this box. And how many boxes you have left. But mostly you won't think at all on the other side of monotony liza flow state away of being. That is just being a present tense. That actually feels present. It's the constellation and pleasure of driving alone at night or getting lost in a story. You're listening to the sharp on the paper and you are and this is what you really wanna say with. The signature is some kind of thanks. The book making process has become so mechanized so distant that it's easy to forget how extraordinarily intimate and personal book is how vulnerable. It makes both reader and author. Because what you're asking of the reader is to allow their feelings and hopes and fears to co mingle with yours kafka said that writing is utter solitude the descent into the cold abyss of oneself and it is but writing is also an attempt to share what you find after descending into that cold abyss when it works both reader and writer without ever seeing or knowing anything about each other are less cold less abysmal and most of all less alone in the frigid depths of the self. You are reminded of something. Eudora welty once wrote all serious daring starts from within forget transatlantic crossings. This is proper adventure reader and writer descending into the chasms roped together like climbing partners. Sometimes when you read it feels as if the writer knows your secrets without you ever having to say them aloud similarly writing can become a place where you talk about what you can't talk about where you seek form for the formless. How can you think the reader for venturing into these depths with you. You can't thank them properly. And so you sign your name over and over again because it is the only thing you can think to do as the sharpie loops around the j. and scribbles out the rest you think maybe the signing is most of all an attempt to acknowledge the connection. That must be forged for any book to work. It's not much but here's a piece of paper that was touched by both reader and writer. Here is an attempt to say. Thank you knowing that someone is out there wherever they are has helped you to feel less alone. In this loneliest. Time i give signing your name. Two hundred fifty thousand times four stars. Thanks for listening to the antecedent reviewed which was written by me edited by stan. Muller and produced by rosanna halse. Rojo's hannah's brown mixes the show and makes the music kikois made the transcription possible. Thanks also to sarah who suggested a review of signing my name two hundred fifty thousand times and to ryan and laura if you want to suggest a review or just say hi you can email us at anthroposophic reviewed at gmail.com. I hope you enjoy the anthroposophic. Reviewed book signed copies are available now. Thanks again for listening. We leave you today with the sound of me signing.

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T+163: Suborbital Crew, Virgin Galactic to ISS

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18:04 min | 1 year ago

T+163: Suborbital Crew, Virgin Galactic to ISS

"Low and welcome to main engine cutoff. I Anthony Colangelo has always wanted to share some thoughts today on a new NASA office called sub orbital crew. It is established within the commercial crew program, and obviously is focused on suborbital versions of that and I also want to talk a little bit about a Virgin Galactic announcement that they signed a space act agreement with NASA to fly astronauts to the International Space Station. Which is obviously a little outside their purview right now. But there's some interesting aspects to that so. Let's start with these suborbital crew office? This is as I said established within the commercial crew program. So this is a sub team within decree program generally at NASA that looks to private companies providing flight to space. And obviously this is spurred by Virgin, galactic and blue origin, getting fairly close to flying regular human flights. To Space Suborbital Virgin Galactic case they can fly handful people on spaceship to up to about eighty to ninety kilometers. In the case of blue origin that's new shepard. They can fly six astronauts up to one hundred kilometers, and beyond some cases, use the abort system. Right significantly beyond I guess that that might be something that they use. More than just a single test. And the future. This is a really cool announcement from NASA because it is different than commercial crew in its own right right that was a program that NASA decided to take on and find contractors for and have those those vehicles designed to the specifications at NASA laid out upfront. This on the other hand is that is flipped that script so the two companies develop this on their own NASA has not had any input in those both are part of the NASA flight opportunities program, which means they fly. Some small payloads onboard these missions. I believe spaceship to has done that so far I. Know New Shepherd has. Now has had some input into or some some part in the program overall, but they've had no input into these specifications and requirements of these vehicles up to this point, and now it gets the point where both are within a year or so of of establishing human flights. To space it sounds like. New Shepherd is probably not going to get there. In Twenty, twenty twenty twenty one might be the first human flight, and then he's virgin. Galactic they've got a couple of more before. They're flying Astronauts that are not the pilots onboard that vehicle regularly. It sounds like they're gonNA at the end of July. Unveiled. The crew cabin fitted out with the latest seats in a couple of different seats because what they've been flying up in this point is kind of bare bones, version of that they did have one seed in place in spatial to win Beth Moses Flu. But they have to this point not built out that entire crew cab and yet in a way that would culminate passengers. Now. This is interesting for these programs in a way because. NASA, here is is being customer. This is what they say they want to do. Generally in the industry, where if there are services available that they're interested in, they want to buy those services in this case. They haven't had any input up front, but they're still going to buy those services now. What could they do it this thing well. They're getting flights fairly cheaply to get astronauts up. Substantially into space and get them some flight experience. You know two hundred fifty grand per astronaut is what space to is apparently charging, maybe a little more than that new shepherd, probably in the same range, so a full crew cabin for low millions, and you've got you know five to seven minutes of free fall time for your astronauts. You could do experiments during that time you do. Crew tended experiments if you want. or You could just get that person a little bit of time in a microgravity which would help them to get accustomed when they're ready to go out and get on the launch pad and fly all the way up. Ti assess or beyond or to the lunar six lunar space or lunar surface even. They're not going to be like straight up a rookie. They're still going to be a rookie. Get into orbit, but they're not going to be you know a rookie in the sense that they've never gotten aboard a rocket engine before, so there's probably some useful stuff that could be done there. In terms of the training program right now. They're doing a lot of work in centrifuges and simulators, and all these different environments that try to get them close to what they're going to experience on launch day so when they do get the launch day. They can just do their job. Obviously the Higher Fidelity Training that you've got the better so if this is something that they could use to train up new astronauts, maybe even use it as part of their astronaut candidate program. To assess the readiness of these people to become astronauts. That could be very interesting for NASA for very little investment. Relative to everything that does a couple. Million dollars is pocket change, so it's really interesting in terms of how they could use it and I think for the companies. This is a massive market that up until now we've been thinking about space tourism with these companies and saying well, who has two hundred fifty grand to put us put down for a seat. There's a market there, but it's not very big. They've just open themselves up to you know a giant space agency that has plenty of people who'd want to fly. and. There are other agencies out there in the world that would want to jump in on the same kind of thing. October Twenty Nineteen we saw contract signed between Virgin Galactic and the Italian Air Force to fly research mission I think it was Three people are so on a suborbital flight, so the US here with NASA is not the first to establish interest in virgin. Galactic and I wouldn't be surprised to see other nations kinda jump on the same way. And this is very similar to axiom space. If you've heard those episodes of done with members of axiom spaces team, they're the ones that are going to put up new modules to the IS S. they're also GONNA fly private astronauts to the I assess for missions, and that is even more costly, right fifty sixty million dollars whatever it is per seat. That is interesting to some subset of humans that are interested in space tourism. There are a couple of people out there. That would want to spend the money, but it's really interesting to. That might not have a space program or might have just established one definitely don't have launch vehicles, nor even maybe agreements to fly there. Astronauts with the US Russia China that want to put up a little bit of cash and have themselves and astronaut. In the same way here we're going to see that. On the suborbital side with NASA with the force, and I would not be shocked to hear others coming out of the woodwork so I feel like this is a part of the conversation that was missing from suborbital flights is that there is going to be interest from not just private individuals, but organizations that are going to assign crew members to these flights as well I don't know if they'll. Do you know. Buy Out the whole vehicle because it would be kind of odd to have. A very serious mission alongside a bunch of people taking selfies like they should be up there, but It might be kind of weird when you're trying to get your work done in your very few minutes to have you know bobby from Chicago bouncing around and bump in India while you're up there. Apologies Sandy bobbies Chicago, but you know probably you're not going to be great. Next to a the Italian air force members that are trying to do some stuff. During their mission. Now one thing that does concern me here is that in the in the announcement of suborbital crew. It says that they're establishing this office. I'm going to read a little part of this press release that they put out. One of the initial activities for subsidy. That's what they call. Suborbital crew is to work with the Federal Aviation Administration and commercial suborbital space transportation for providers to define the approach for system qualification for NASA personnel as well as identify the specific performance capabilities, NASA desires. So! This is the part that gets me a little concerned. I wonder what kind of input Nasr's going to have before. They're ready to fly their crew members on these vehicles. Are they going to ask for changes? Are they going to ask for additional human rating? 'cause those requirements on the commercial crew side obviously a way way more requirements because they're going up to orbit doing all the rendezvous docking at the S. they're integrating with the IRS for months at a time. There's you know. In the case of those vehicles, there are the the life support systems that have to be operational indication suborbital missions. You're just on the air. That's in there because you're only up there for five or seven minutes, so there isn't as much of a support system on these vehicles. So if NASA comes in and starts requiring a lot of changes to these vehicles or requiring specific vehicles that need to checked out to NASA specifications before they're ready to go on and fly. That present a problem for specifically these two programs that are already very delayed. One allow more delayed the other. And have had a ton of development problems to this point are not making progress as quick as we thought even within within the calendar year that we're in here. So any additional requirements or specifications could just keep pushing this time timeline out to a degree that is nonfunctional to some extent, so if NASA is really committed to just buying a commercial service here. This is the time to prove it. You know if they're going to be committed to the same way that they could buy an American, airlines flight for you know somebody flying between Kennedy Space, center and headquarters, and they're not going to have to look into a Boeing's policies for the seven thirty. Well, that's probably bad example, but. They're not going to have to do a whole specification requirements you know all this research and human reading stuff for you know the seat twenty-three a on a commercial airliner. If they're committed to that model, this is where we're gonNA see that or not, so that's the thing that I'm going to be watching here. This is the thing that concerns me honestly about. This program in terms of how it interacts with these two programs of spatial to in new shepherd, as they're so close to the finish line. If this was established couple of years ago. It definitely would have made these vehicles a lot later, but the fact that it's established within a year or two of these things starting to fly humans pretty regularly. Maybe that's a good sign that is committed to just buying these services and not having too much input. Above the kind of specifications, they need to figure out what missions they would fly on this. But maybe they're not gonNA have too much input about changes to the vehicles directly. Now I WANNA get to some virgin galactic space. Act Agreement News with NASA about the assess, but before we do that I want to say huge. Thank you to everyone out there. WHO's supporting main engine cutoff every single month or four hundred and twenty three of us supporting this show, I could not be more thankful for your support. This episode was produced by thirty. Eight. Executive Producers Brandon Matthew Simon Chris Pap. Matt George Brad Ryan Nadeem Peter Peter Donald, Lee Chris Warren Bob Russell John Maurice Jol. 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This is very similar to something that we just talked about with axiom space where axiom is working on new modules for the Isis, but they're also before those get up there. Because those are still you know three or four years out at this point, they are gonNA fly private astronaut missions to the ISS separately so the existing Isis today. They'RE GONNA buy dragon vehicles potentially star liner in the future from Boeing. And fly astronauts to the for some sort of mission. They're gonNA. Fly. You know one or two a year I think was the current schedule. So they're going to be able to provide this private mission capability to the ISS well sounds like virgin. Galactic signed in Space Act Agreement. That is very similar to that. In that I'll read a little bit of the press release here under the Agreement Virgin Galactic will develop a new private orbital Ash Readiness Program this program will include identifying candidates interested in purchasing private astronaut missions to the. Procurement of transportation to the S on orbit, resources and ground resources. Building on its commercial spaceflight training experience Virgin Galactic believes it can provide an unparalleled personalized customer experience for Orbital Space Travel. So. This isn't going to be. A Virgin Galactic vehicle doing these flights their only working on spaceship two right now that is a suborbital vehicle. They have grand plans for point to point travel and all these crazy plans, but those are so long term. That I'm not sure you know. We should rely on those panning out, but this would be more of them. You know kind of in the same model. We talked about with American Airlines. This would be them being the airline. They're not making a vehicle, but they are going to operate service. Find the passengers establish that relationship figure out whatever logistics need to happen to get them on the vehicle and to space. And essentially be that that Front Agency for people trying to get to space now. This makes a lot of sense for virgin galactic because they already have very long customer list. Customer list. That is probably invasion at this point that they're not getting their flight, because to has been taken so long to develop. But there are certainly people within that list that would love to go up to orbit, so they can up sell some of their people from the flights and spaceship to to an orbital flight to the IRS. That's obviously a lot more money coming their way. It's a way to get additional operating cash, and honestly it's a way to take the people that are sitting around waiting to work on these suborbital missions with customers and give them something to do in the meantime while we're kind of in a holding pattern here before we're ready to start flying. Obviously, these people have a lot of experience. They have a lot of relationships built up selling these kinds of flights to people. And? They want to apply that to an orbital variant. And also through that in the same way that it talked about in the first segment of the show. Those astronauts that are gonna fly to the. Maybe, they're going to want to also sell them a flight of spaceship to as training. Maybe Nasr's going to require some training. That directs its way to a to flight so now they're selling not only a spaceship to flight, but they're selling an orbital flight as well. All is one package which is definitely unique. If you're actually you're to go straight up to the s you. They might have a training program as well, but I don't know if they're going to require you to fly on spaceship two so all the sudden, maybe with same price. You're getting a flight on speech. Two and you're getting a flight to orbit, so you can start to put together. This really attractive. Pat Package if you're virgin galactic. Now that's all the hopeful side of made the cynical side of me, says that well Virgin Galactic is not a giant company right? I often get annoyed at people that say spacex can't do, dragon and starship at the same time, because there are thousands of people, Virgin Galactic Right now. Isn't that size so I am a little bit concerned that this is going to be a distraction as they're right at the finish line here to get spaceship to flying regularly that this is going to distract a little from their core mission right there. But in all honesty, maybe I'm wrong there. Virgin Galactic core mission is to provide flights to space doesn't matter how they do it. They have their own vehicle, but they're also going to sell to other ones, and that's just a okay because their prime mission is to get people into space. Now the other cynical side of me, says Virgin Galactic is now a publicly traded company, so they certainly need to keep their stock price up. If they want to keep things moving in the right direction, so additional announcements, additional agreements at NASA. All of that really helps. However, if you're interested in getting people to space I, think this is a good sign. Because Axiom right now is one of the only ways to get private orbital mission to the ISS. They have that agreement in place at NASA. Now we have another one here, and that could provide a solid amount of competition that keeps them both on their toes, and hopefully in the long term brings the cost down a little bit now. Obviously right now that is linked heavily to the seat price. They can get from SPACEX Dragon's or Boeing Star liners. But as the future develops, they're going to keep their eyes out for cheaper ways to get space better deals to get the space and hopefully bring the cost down over time. So both these stories are interesting and same way where it's a very early early kind of announcement. Could lead lead a lot of interesting directions. I'm hopeful yet. Re have some reservations about them. Generally but all in all I'm I'm excited to see this kind of stuff coming into place, and it's interesting to watch virgin galactic translate from their development mode into an operational mode over the series of years, and we'll see how that plays out long-term for them. So for now, that is all I've got to say on these two topics. If you've got any questions or thoughts, email me, anthony engine cutoff, dot, com, or hit me up on twitter at we have MECO and once again head over to manage cutoff dot com slash support. If you want to help, make more of these shows possible and get some headlines in life, but until next time thanks for listening I'll talk to you.

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T+171: SpaceX, L3Harris Selected by SDA for Missile Warning Satellites

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23:12 min | 10 months ago

T+171: SpaceX, L3Harris Selected by SDA for Missile Warning Satellites

"Big News Out of these space development agency that I WANNA break down here today on main engine cutoff, I'm Anthony, Colangelo. Let's dive in with the headline is L. Three Harris and spacex have been selected by the space development agency to build four satellites each for missile warning a new missile warning constellation. that. S. Space Agency has been working on So I want to start with some background on the space. Development Agency what this project is, and then I really want to dive into the space x side of this because for L. Free Harris this is great news. It's one hundred, ninety, three, million dollars that they're getting for four satellites. But this is in the realm of what L. Three Harris does. They certainly have done this historically and it's something that it's a market they're dedicated to for spacex they don't yet produce satellites for customers they produce them for their own Starlink missions, but they don't do this where they sell satellite buses. To customers either governmental or commercial, and that's a major major announcement there for spacex. So I want to talk about what that means and what they might do with that where they might go in the future and why it's important to them. But let's start with that context. The Space Agency was established back in March twenty nineteen. It's something that had been talked a lot about in the early days of the trump administration has space force was developing is there was a big struggle over exactly what the new organization would be but the intent it is to shake up acquisitions. There was a lot of talk about how the current era of. Within Department offense has been overly bloated and huge budgets and everything's over budget and over schedule, and it's really expensive and slow, and all this and the FDA was floated as a way to. Get around a lot of the existing structures. We've seen a lot with other arms of the Air Force. There's all sorts of different acquisition offices that always intend to do this, and it kind of is one of those situations, a link to an k CD comic about standards, how the fourteen standards and I've got it one to rule them all result fifteen standards and you kind of just added onto the stack sort of feel like that with this whole recurring talk of acquisitions that are too slow and too expensive. First you start out and you might actually achieve some cost savings by doing things a little differently. But eventually, you know you become just another agency that is. Big Budgets very slow, etc. Kinda just the life cycle these things. So we might see that in the future. But. Right now, that's that's the focus and the initial project that the FDA has been given is to create a small satellite constellation that honestly can do everything under the sun. The initial tranche zero as it's being talked about. Includes twenty satellites as a what they're calling transport layer, which is communications, Lockheed Martin and. I'm blanking on this. It was Lockheed Martin And York space that are going to produce ten satellites. For that transport communications layer, and then there's eight satellites here that we're talking about. That are for what they're calling the tracking layer that is the missile warning missile tracking. That is split between L. Three, Harris and SPACEX. So there's two thousand eight satellites that they're working on for this initial version of the Constellation there has been no. No fewer than thirty ideas floated for what this constellation could do things like space situational awareness GPS, alternatives if a satellite can do it, it's probably been theorized that the FDA could do it as part of this project for right now it's mutations and it's missile warning. Now, a couple of important things to note about the FDA. It is slated to become part of the US Space Force in October twenty, twenty two. It was sort of part of all of that discussion back in the day. And Mike Griffin was actually a major proponent of the space development agency. He was kind of spearheading it back. Then when there is a fight about the existence of the space force and Heather Wilson, who was at the time, the head of the air force was very resistant to the sti very resistant to space force mostly because those things threatened which she was in. Charge of the Air Force So there was definitely some you know inter governmental bickering happening there but importantly might griffin is now exited government work as of July. He left for the private sector and he was working in the office of the Secretary of Defense here in the US and he was seen as the major advocate within that office and with his departure. The FDA is seen without that advocate at the higher level. So it does leave the FDA fairly vulnerable as things are kind of still in motion with the formation of the space force what is and is not included obviously going through presidential and congressional elections this year so that could shake up. Any of the legislation that happens between now and October, twenty twenty, two, two, full years away that's a whole nother congress could change their mind on so not that this money is going to be taken away from L. Three and SPACEX, but the itself is vulnerable. So there could be future shakeups that you might just want to keep in mind as this project comes up through headlines over the next two years on its way to launch. Now, let's talk about the technical side of this tracking layer. Today, we use something called the space-based infrared system here in the US for missile warning missile tracking. Those are a constellation of six satellites in geostationary orbits. They are very expensive satellites. These are multibillion dollar depending on how you count. You could say the latest ones were about a billion dollars to acquire, but it's twenty billion over six satellites. So they're multibillion dollar satellites. And they're kind of the old model of a a few really expensive really big investments that do incredibly good job but you're left with huge risk because you've put a lot of eggs in few baskets. And that is kind of the old world mindset where. Launch was very expensive and satellites were very expensive. Now, we have cheaper launch in very cheap tech. So the new thinking is you could do a better job with a lot more smaller satellites. and. In the case of space development and one of the things they were talking up was that we could build things in different architectures that are more survivable to threats from foreign nations for an actors whatever it is. You consider the fact that obviously GIO is really hard to do this but you take out one of those cyber satellites and you've just taken out one six of your capability to track missiles. If you have a constellation of in this case, it's eight, but the ideal would be a lot more than that. If you have a huge constellation a lot harder to take out one sixth of those satellites and harm your capability. So that's something that was talked. Back then and that's what this product is trying to do trying to take this. This kind of technology and break it up into a constellation, make it more survivable against threats, and really just you know dispersed the risk among a higher number of cheaper satellites. This is very similar to a project that Darpa has going called the blackjack program. They're also looking at the small satellite constellations, four military uses, and there's actually a huge overlap. So I mentioned space-based infrared system is the current generation and missile warning the next generation of missile warning satellites that are being produced here in the US use something called the overhead persistent infrared sensors or OPR. So, those OPR satellites are going to be used by the air and space. Force on a next generation missile warning constellation of their own Lockheed Martin was awarded about three billion dollars for three geostationary satellites north of Grummin about two point four, billion dollars for two polar orbiting. So those five satellites are what the air and space force are looking to as their next generation missile warning satellite. The Darpa Program I just mentioned is also going to use OPR payloads Raytheon one about forty million dollars back in June to produce those payloads. And then this SDA project split between all three and SPACEX are also going to use OPR payloads. L. Three says they're going to be producing there's in. House. And SPACEX says they're going to get theirs from supplier. They haven't said WHO plausibly it could be Raytheon if they are making just the payloads for the Darpa Program for satellites of similar sizes, you know it could be that they are looking to work with spacex on we don't know who yet. So that's just kind of a theory based on the names that are being tossed about here. But you can hear these names, right? It's it's kind of the old standard. It's the military industrial complex and then space x who score coin for coming the military industrial complex but that's the side note. So before we get into the space x stuff, let's talk about the launch of these satellites and where they're headed the same day that the announcement was made that space x were selected the launch RFP went out and that is actually for all of the two thousand eight satellites that I've talked about the twenty in that communications layer and the eight in this missile tracking lehrer. These would be spread across two different planes of orbits nine hundred and fifty kilometers circular. Near Polar, they say they could have an inclination between eighty and one hundred degrees. And the two planes it'd be about thirty degrees separated from each other they say that the first launch has to happen in September twenty, twenty two and the entire constellation they as close to that data's possible. But no later than the end of March twenty twenty three and the rpo is open to whatever kind of launch architecture you want is at one, two, three, six launches you propose it and they'll make the selection among the things that they receive. This seems kind of like one of those launches is a dead ringer for SPACEX. Because is the biggest factor. It is as big as the other factors combined. So you know given the space development agencies charged for lower prices and faster access to space. That's it's one of those things that sounds right up spacex his alley, but we'll obviously see who ends up winning the launch for these satellites. Now, interestingly, in the RFP, there's a couple of documents attached. One of them is the Planning Info document. They give some stats for these different satellites and the for tracking satellites or the eight dragons satellites split into groups four are listed at one set of four, one, thousand, sixty, eight kilograms. Per Satellite, the other four are three, hundred, eight kilograms per satellite. So. If we use our mental model of what we've got going with starlink you, there was a source in space news at said, this is based on Starlink what spacex proposed for this and that's the obvious thing there's at spacex has all this all this experience making satellites for Starlink, they're gonNA take that production line build satellites for customers. But if you dive into details in these documents, there's another one called planning. Info document that lists those lower mass satellites actually showed them around two, hundred, forty, nine kilograms. That's right in line with what we know Starlink is today it's about two hundred, sixty kilograms. But in that they say those lower mass satellites use L. MP, three S for propellant. That is the green alternative to hydrazine eight is not what Starlink uses, which is crypt on gas they have hall effect thrusters. So there's two possibilities here. One is they created a slightly higher mass version of the STARLINK bus with. With this one of three s pellet doesn't seem that likely to me that sounds significantly outside of what spacex would do. The other option is they have a much bigger bus that they're selling about one ton to customers that sounds more plausible given a couple of things that I've heard over the past couple of months. It does sound like something that if you consider starling satellites, the idea there is they can launch so many of them that a couple of failures not a big deal. If they need to have military level of reliability for the satellites, they're probably gonNA need to add on a lot more systems that they have on the Starlink payloads. Obviously, there's going to be different requirements that the military. Needs that's going to bring with it different power requirements, different thermal requirements, all sorts of different constraints that they need, and maybe with all of that combined, they're going to push their payload sizes up a bit be a little bit more flexible with what they can put on there. What kind of payloads they can actually host on the bus and they end up with the bus that's about one ton. So I'm not exactly sure which of those options it is. Some of the things that I've heard. Make me lean towards the fact that SPACEX is producing a bigger bus but either way, this is not a straight off the production line Starlink bus that they are selling to a deep space development agency right here. This is something that is maybe leveraging things that they've done for starlink hardware-software production line, etc. But is definitely built for the purposes of this contract. Now I WANNA talk more about spacex where they're going with this kind of thing. But before I do that, let me say a huge. Thank you to everyone out there who supporting main engine cutoff every single month over at main engine cutoff, dot com slash support. Thank you all so much for keeping this single person operation going and I said it last show I'll say it again. Thank you for putting up with me through my paternity leave their all the nice notes you sent me saying take the time will be here when you get back. Thank you. 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So I do an entire separate podcasts where I run through all the stories that are worth talking. About that week give a couple of quick thoughts keep you up to date on space. It's probably one of my favorite things that I do because it keeps me and all of you really in sync with the space news and I had a couple of weeks off their first one back is coming up this weekend. So if you join up, you're getting three podcasts this week from main engine cutoff. So thank you so much for making all possible and I'm looking forward to what should be a good fall and winter here of space podcasting. All right. So speculation about exactly what this satellite bus looks like. Aside, spacex is now a a satellite producer. They are now selling satellite buses to customers right now they've got this military contract, but's it's not. It's not entirely unlikely that they are also going to be selling these to commercial companies or others out there in the industry they have a serious production line right now with startling, they're making about one hundred, twenty satellites a month for Starlink. So they've got a lot of experience they built the multiple different versions. They've obviously iterative quickly so they can react to changes very quickly. And if you know based on those differences that I was just reading, often the rpo stuff is true making obviously produce satellites that are outside of their standard size pretty easily even if they are that lower mass thing but they're using a green propellant rather than crypt on obviously shows that they can reconfigure a satellite bus as needed pretty easily on their production line. So either way it's showing that they are ready to kind of build to order. which is interesting for SPACEX. Much in the same way that I felt about dragon xl, which is their cargo vehicle that's going to go out to the lunar gateway. This is somewhat surprising that spacex is doing these things as that is a little outside of their primary mission North Primary mission. Has Been Guiding light for so long and if it doesn't fit into their kind of tech tree that leads them to Mars, it was something they're not necessarily interested in In this case in Dragon Excel's case, those are things that are very closely related to what they're working on already but are a little bit of a divergence and the common thread there is that there's a ton of money in those kinds of services. The Dragon XS L. stuff is probably a couple of billion all told. These satellites right here is already one, hundred, fifty million, and you could keep selling these things for tens or twenties of millions at a time and make a mint off of your starling production line when it's not necessarily needed for starling satellites themselves. To compare to one Webb, who is the other Mega Constellation working on satellite Internet. For a while they were really hyping their production facility down in Florida, they've built in partnership with Airbus that they were going to turn that into production line for other small satellite providers when they're not using it for their own satellites. One web is only going to produce a couple hundred satellites for their. Constellation, they orbit much higher at twelve hundred kilometers than starlings five fifty. So they are much longer lived satellites. They're already we're going to have fewer satellites on orbits or starlings going to have you know thousands that they're going to need to replenish much more frequently at that lower orbit. So. starling requires a much more ongoing production line than web does one web you know beyond the first couple hundred would have relied on these commercial orders of satellites whereas species is going to have there's open and operating, and if they can make a little extra cash on the side, if they can pay off some of the starling running and operating costs by producing things off that same line for other customers, that's a win win for all involves. And then you start considering the fact that they could bundle this with launch services, they could bundle it with the rideshare program that they've rolled out and they could have the sort of all in one price much. In the same way we've talked about with rocket lab and Photon you come to them, you say I need a satellite to this orbit. Great. Give your payload. will put it on our bus will put it on our rocket will launch space all in one price covered very easy. You can minimize the paperwork just a single point of contact that's pretty attractive for a lot of people out there and SPACEX could start offering that now alongside all of those rideshare missions assuming you're going to in orbit that fits that sort of thing. And you've created a pretty compelling self licking ice cream cone of some people like to say. Now I've heard some pretty crazy cost figures on Starlink buses, internal costs, spacex. I've heard figure. So crazy I don't necessarily believe it. I've heard figures on the order of a nice car. But more like a little bit more than a cyber truck and that is insanely low But then you consider the fact that space SPACEX launch and sixty of these time making one hundred and twenty a month. It can't be that pricey SPACEX is burning a ton of cash right now they've you've see this constant stream of money being invested in put into space x four both Starlink and starship. But you. So you know maybe that figure is accurate and if it is even if you consider the fact that they're making a much bigger bus for commercial companies and government agencies to buy. If, they're able to do at that same low cost. They can make a ton of money this way. So I'd really love to hear more about that side of things. No one's going to announce it publicly I assume that it's going to have to be. Hypothetically. Somebody out there listening that sends me an email or text or whatever says, this is not accurate. Hypothetically if you're that person me know. But. Yeah. This is just another business line here for SPACEX and they need money. They are cash hungry right now. So if they can open up these different lines of business, that's a really good thing for the future of SPACEX. Now. One last thing I wanted to mention that I just kind of find humorous I was thinking about this the other day when I saw this news whenever starship news. And Traditionally this has happened around when SPACEX had incidents like the explosion on the dragon two capsule and the static fire. People. Look at starship stuff and say what a distraction from the things that NASA paying money for. We've heard that less and less recently. But this is another example of the fact that space x is a huge company. They are a giant company with several different business lines and no one ever accuses. Startling side of being a distraction from the dragon line and I just wanted to mention this as a thing that it's a storyline that I was hoping would die and it seems to have died or maybe I'm just not reading the right or wrong spots. But. This is a really good example again of how much space X is involved in their launch services there in satellite production satellite operation, they're doing crude flights up to the ice s doing cargo missions to the IRS cargo missions to the moon, and then there's everything that happens with starship including human lunar landing system. That is in development right now they are doing so much. They are so expensive. That's a good thing. If they're able to keep all those plates spinning at the same time, it does introduce some risk. If one of those is significantly drawing more cash and attention than other and putting the others at risk doesn't seem like we're there yet. But. Certainly when you get into this many things at once it is something to be cognizant of. The other thing to consider as if they're making these satellite buses that are for uses that aren't Starlink, that's going to extend not only to the military, not only the commercial companies, not only to government agencies like NASA, that could extend all the way out to Mars and it's something we've talked often on about I remember talking about the original Falcon heavy. Launch. Hoping that spacex would shoot something to Mars on their own, right maybe some sort of relay satellite. This could be a thing that works all the way out at Mars as well. with those modifications necessary to operate in that different environment. If it is that big payload size, it would make a lot more sense while the pushing up into that territory. So, let's see what else they do with the satellite bus in the future and really all of the things I can come up with a really exciting. 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T+166: Laura Klicker and Daniel Gillies, Astrobotic

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T+166: Laura Klicker and Daniel Gillies, Astrobotic

"Hello and welcome to main engine cutoff. I'm Anthony. Colangelo and we are back with to special guests today. told you had some good interviews. Coming up in today's a good one. We are talking with members of Astro botic. They are a company that has two different commercial lunar payload services contracts with NASA commercial, lunar, payload, services, or clips, as I'm sure you'll hear US refer it. As is a program. That Nasr's running to bit out different awards for missions to the lunar surface. This is kind of a commercial cargo. Ask firm fixed price awards that commercial companies bid for they compete on technical basis and price, and they fly these missions to the lunar surface. Astronautic has two different ones flying. They're going to be flying. Flying Their Peregrine, lander, that does about ninety something kilograms to lunar surface, and their Griffin Lander that does about five hundred kilograms. That latter award is for the Viper Rover that NASA is working on that, we'll be looking for volatile around the lunar South Pole as a precursor mission to be able to develop lunar resources into useful resources for human missions to the lunar surface. So today we are talking with lar- clicker, who is the payload systems management lead Astra and Daniel Gillies. Who is the mission director for the Griffin Mission? That I was just talking about so they've both got really interesting insights to provide us with. On the both fronts of these two different missions are obviously sharing a lot of technical commonality, but do diverge heavily in what they're both going after, so I'm really excited to talk with them. And if you remember if you've listened for a long time, we have now. This'll be the cycle of us. Talking to all of the different currently confirmed commercial lunar payload services program providers. We've talked with masten space. We've talked with intuitive machines, and now we're rounding it out here with astronautic so without further ado. Let's give Laura and Daniel call. Laura and Daniel Welcome to managing cutoff. It's pleasure to have you both here on this all Pennsylvania. Of The show! Thank you. Thanks for having, US. So we've got. Maybe to start. To deal with the two guests situation, everyone out there listening keeping track of everything. I'd love to hear both of you just run down what your roles are at astronautic, and maybe a little bit of what your day to day work looks like. So that everyone has context as we get into all these different topics, so we'll go. Laura I if you don't mind. So I'm the lead payload manager here at asked robotic. I've been working here for four years. Started off with our commercial payloads of course, and then we won the task order to A. And so I was working with. Those payload is just totally messed up. The two names deny task order to task order twenty I've just mash them together and one so yeah started off with that one and worked with those NASA pilots than we one task order twenty eight and I've been working with those payloads. As we continue to hire so my day to day is lots of emailing back and forth the payloads, getting the clarity on some interfaces, services operations, and taking those notes to the engineers on our side, and making sure at the end that it's all going to come together and work, so you mentioned the two. Different task orders are those both for the Peregrine mission that will talk about are those the internal in the corner, external payload orders or those something else? Those are One was for the Pagan and the other one is for the new. Griffin mission so okay cool. Daniel how about you? Sure. Daniels I am the mission director for our Griffin mission carrying by Ter- on so my day to day had asked her. Botox is pretty much program management whether that's the budget are staffing for the mission of coordinating with our Payload Management Team which Laura Manages our systems engineering team, which another colleague of our Sean Manages. And the rest of the engineering groups who are supporting Griffin and really just making sure we come together for an executed mission staying on schedule staying in cost and having a good customer experience as well. My backgrounds rockets primarily before this mission management roles that are a variety of different size. Rockets dedicated in rideshare. also worked on helicopters, airplanes and started on space shuttle. You're trying to get the full cycle here you've got. Wings rocket engines now landing legs going for the whole. The whole circuit of vehicles I know I got balloons in there, too. I'm trying to think of what what platform missed. I think. I got them all I. think that's it. That's a full cycle for sure hovercraft. I don't know if that counts. So, yeah, the acrobatic is you've got to missions on the manifest here for the commercial payload services. Original. You're one of the original award winners back in the day for that first mission for Peregrine. That's got about ninety five kilograms of space. We're I believe about a year out from that mission the last time line I saw. So long. Could you talk us through that mission profile? Generally you know we've got launched on the Vulcan first launch of the Vulcan Center. And then could you just walk us through what that mission looks like from there all the way down to the Lunar Service? Sure. So launch that's going to be happening. Then we separate from the launch vehicle, and after that we sort of begin, mean we break it out into the Israeli simple phases for payloads. We begin the transit phase which we sort of divided up into cruise, which is everything between? Separation from the launch vehicle until we insert into lunar orbit and then Lunar Orbit, we have three of those I one just get into lunar orbit second one is a bit more stable, and then the third one is in preparation of dissent. During that time we're going to be supporting some payload checkouts, but that's really not where the main mission is happening, so the excitement I'll starts when we do our descent. Orbit insertion and then we have our unpowered descent, and then our power descent that takes. Less than two hours I believe during that no payload. You're going to be doing anything, but that is going to be sort of the really critical as of our mission after that land will turn on our higher. Gain antennas and that's when the Pale is really get to do their exciting science Sort of the short version, yes, or their their payloads that are going to take use of that transit phase, or is that something that you could support in the future, but this mission doesn't have it giving the first in. You're kind of breaking some ground here or or is that something? They're going to be taking advantage of. Some payloads are going to be taking some interesting. Science or data points during transit, and especially to get a comparison with the data they would be taking on the surface, and there is also the opportunity to join orbit, so we're not actually having any pilots take advantage of that on the first mission, but that is definitely a potential for future missions for pilots to take advantage of. And then Daniel and the Griffin side of things got a bigger lander there. You're up in the four hundred kilogram range. If I'm remembering my numbers correctly, obviously you've got a giant rover on top called Viper, that is the the main focus of this mission but are there going to be other involved in this mission as well kind of the same mission profile, or are there other differences between the peregrine flight and the Griffin Flight? Sure, I so the payload compliment on task order twenty a als also known as Griffin by permission. includes Viper, which is a four hundred seventy five kilogram payload that includes the Viper Rover, as well as the separation system would actually attach it to the lander I'm and there's actually a NASA as well so you know you could do ranging. Ranging Experiments from Earth on pretty much. One of those seems to fly on every mission going to the moon at this point so that's pretty exciting on this far as other payloads, not not really in the plan on this is burlesque dedicated mission I'm for these two NASA payloads and the equipment that were carrying on the rover as been really tailored. Rover on the land or I should say tailored exactly to that so for example there is a dual ramp system on Griffin to allow Viper to egress in one of two directions so that in the event there was something on the surface. You still have a way away off. That really begins to drive your payload accommodations in many ways, and we don't want to do anything that would. Jeopardize of vipers mission objectives. As far as mission profile, it's actually very similar to everything that Laura described for peregrine. Everything we really are doing on Griffin has some basis in peregrine whether that's from cops, hardware, architecture, or just how we planned ops once we get on the surface, although for this mission. I'm really the goal is get viper to surface and allow viper to safely egress from Griffin after that it's all bonus, but that is our primary objective deliver viper to the moon and allow egress onto the surface. I WanNa talk a lot about the different payload interface on both landers but I. do want to get into one thing about. More on the management side in the interaction with NASA on both of these I know in the early days, and I think some of these are changing the way that this functions on the later clips payloads, but you're going to need to. Correct me here where I'm wrong. Originally, there was. I think in the earliest round you could bid and say we will take this collection of payloads to the lunar surface, and then maybe in the later era of clips that we're entering. It's more of a Pi. Lead process for determining what's GonNa fly to where I. Don't know how much I just got wrong. They're so large could you may be correct us on on the interaction that you have with NASA and. What you know, the manifest that for your flight how that comes together and. Starts in the early development days and goes all the way through launch and deployment. So. I'm not quite sure. On on NASA sad the way they're putting together the manifests I know that we did get one manifest from NASA. And I do work directly with those P. is as well as an a a NASA person sort of looks over the entire manifest. So that way. It's making sure that the individual NASA payload science is going to be achieved, but then also making sure that. The task order. There's a whole everything that was in there. As a contract is also being respected by both parties, so I'm not sure if I quite answered your question. No, no, that's definitely good. Yeah, and you know in the case of vipers. You're talking about that. That is the main and only payload for the Griffin flight. But but on the side you're going to have a collection of of payloads making up the entire mission. You do have a couple of different interfaces. Could you talk through the spots on the Tarragon lander that different payloads will be able to take advantage of on the lunar surface. Yeah, so we do have the decks. That's mostly the very standard location for payloads. There's underneath the deck, so we have a lot of pails WanNa, look at the lunar surface. Someone WanNa see the transition from light to dark dark to light, so you can be on different sides of the spacecraft. There's on top of the decks that's mostly for radiation sensors or other things I want to look into the sky. We're actually placing. Our retro reflector for that mission up by our solar panels, so that's a very special location. But other than that. It's mostly very very similar at least mechanical interface wise. For All of the payloads. The other interfaces are also very very similar. We have standard data and power interfaces The operations are probably where it gets the most interesting for the differences between. Payloads, so some pilots have one mission that they WANNA time. I guess three days in, and it's only can take an hour. Other payloads WANNA be continuous throughout, and then of course we have rovers that are going to deploy and their interfaces change very drastically. So! Now. Is that setup kind of the basic peregrine setup or in the future of peregrine flies again or when it flies again? Are you expecting there to be changes in that configuration, or is this kind of like the peregrine one to one that we're dealing with first mission? So we definitely want to keep interfaces standard, and we definitely WANNA keep interfaces at work I mean we are adapting to the needs of the science community so especially for future missions. We're looking at more things like data storage, so there's definitely room for to change, but we'd like to keep things as consistent for our ease, and for these at the science community. And Daniel, the Griffin side. Obviously, you're already specializing this. A lot for this initial mission. How far down the development of Griffin or the work that was already ongoing with Griffin when Viper came in. How much of a diversion from these standard payload, interfaces, vipers mission, and could you give us a sense of mission? That isn't flying a rover in a very specialized way. What the lander said would look like for something like that. Yeah actually. There is a a live work that was done before going into this mission officially, so he had actually are. Griffin configuration prior to this was actually already configured for a large rover of own Pereira's Polaris, that was on top of Griffin Menendez is the dual ramp system was actually developed. At least to a prototype stage, obviously, it didn't didn't fly, but that set up the basis griffin was designed with the thought of having a very large payload on top and very likely a rover on top that being said there actually is a deck system very similar to Peregrine, so there is a significant amount of space on the vehicle for carrying say the same complement payloads that we have on our spare mission. We could carry those on Griffin just in a slightly different place, so it's favorable in that way looking to the future, you could use your imagination here a little bit while there will be mission specific hardware like the ramp system for a large rover. Let's say we didn't have a larger over. Let's say someone wanted to bring. an orbital spacecraft to the moon. Well, you can imagine if. If Viper was not there for the next Griffin mission after all theoretical, you could put a deployable satellite there and deployed in lunar orbit, and then continue down to lunar surface, carrying all the other payloads kind of nested under your wings on the deck of Griffin, so it is very configuring from that regard on I. Do want to go back to the question mass earlier about kind of the payload. And how it's coming to US I'm you're exactly right that? On the first mission there was the ability to say I will take this to the Moon and that is why the three. Original contenders on the Tokyo to task order had a different payload manifest. Not everyone's the same so intuitive machines is a very different configuration than we do on our paragraph. We're also carrying a number of Commercial Patriots Peregrine. Going forward the way the task orders have been set up have been asking. It's kind of all or nothing, so bring all of this to the surface. That doesn't preclude you from flying commercial payloads. That is your choice as A. Service provider as a landing service provider. But th-. Really it's all or nothing that creates its own set of unique requirements challenges. I think we're open to to both construction the future where we're asked to bring a whole complement of payloads, the Moon or if. There's request for one payload to go to as part of one of our future commercial missions, either one of those is something we're open to, and we know Nasr's thinking the same way, so we look forward to future task quarters. Sounds like something that you know as somebody who's worked on the rockets side and the launch services side. It's very similar to a lot of the task, orders or launch contracts. They signed on that side of things where somebody has a primary payload and you've got extra space. You can sell it is that? It's not A. That that's the way that this is structured now in the future. No, you're exactly right and in some ways. If you really really think about it, the extension of of the rocket in the lunch service we're effectively a really really sophisticated upper stage. We get dropped off at a t ally point, so we get all that energy from the rocket, but then we've got a coast to the moon, and when we get to lunar orbit, we've gotta do a breaking Burns, so there were acting very much like stage. And, then there's a series of other Burns that get us all the way down to the surface, so yeah, effectively you know. A big part of the lander is the propulsion system. It's a large part of the mass large part of the structure. So in my mind I think about it very much like a launch service, except were providing some really specialized functions at it kind of it merges the hosted payload mindset, which is like all of the payloads that are on our peregrine mission are affectively hosted payloads, and in some regards except for the. Little Rovers that go off on her own. On, the Viper mission, it's much more laker traditional launch service contract. They come on top of us. We actually don't even meet with the flight hardware until we get to the launch site for payload integration very much like launch service. I'm in an after that. We're integrated stack, and we go all the way together to the moon that way. It's interesting to. To look at the similarities in the peregrine side among you know the early award winners clips the the lands that were selected. So you've got peregrine, you've got. Slander and intuitive machines lander they look very similar in terms of their metrics, their size and shape, and the format of what the lander kind of sits on the surface, the way that it's just on the services very similar, which is extremely different than we're getting off topic now, but the human landing awards that were given out recently. Those look incredibly different from you know competitor to competitor, and now we see with Griffin. It's a different format. We obviously don't see what everyone else bid for this mission. But you can kind of assume the demands of a rover. Going to lunar surface would require something like this, do you? Is there anything that we should make of the way that there's kind of a convergent evolution in the sense of how these lunar landers are shaped and function as something? Intrinsic to these missions that require that or you feel like it's you know there's something else. That's pushing everyone in the same general direction. Really good question. I think there's a few different ways to approach that one while they may look the same for the first set. Actually have some very different internals. Gots, so you know. We made the decision to use storable propellant on our entire series of landers so. That's a mon- H. Combination compared to cryogenics that some of our competitors are using that that means. Our ops very different than those of our competitors. We think simpler and kind of more similar to what you'd see on a Geo bus. For example. I'm having to do that. Big Big boost from a lower earth orbit all the way up to GIO. And really designed for longer duration missions, so we re definitely think into the future in that way. As far as why they're starting to look the same, otherwise, power demands are very similar so when you go to the poll for example, you're gonNA start to see landers that have solar panels surrounding their exterior, usually as the simplest case, it's not the only solution now you could go for articulated surfaces for example deployable, but there's a complexity trade, so I think what you'll see. Initially, especially I'm what we're seeing with clips. You're seeing the design decisions for the most part on that make the most sense for the target prices that we need to hit the risk level that everyone's willing to accept. And really do it the first time after you floated Michener to, you'll get comfortable, and you'll probably be to see them. Diverge in specialize more for each of their own independent niche that they're they're catering to whether that's driven by the payloads, or it's driven by the particular part of the Moon. They want to go to an all purpose. Lander is GonNa look very different than a polar Pacific, a specific or a mid-latitudes specific lander. So this is some of the things I think you have to keep in mind. Yeah. That's really good to consider especially when you're looking at all these different conceptual designs. There's a lot of companies in clips right. They've all put out. A diagram with their land looks like so it's good to assess the influences they all have. Now minute ago Daniel mentioned the fact that there are commercial payloads that would be flying as part of these same Clinton, clips missions so from your perspective handling all of these different kinds of organizations that are providing. You've got NASA in one hand that are it's kind of you. Know the the tenants or the the anchor tenant of these missions, but you do have other commercial partners that are coming into this outside of the clips program. What is that interaction like? How do you find people that are willing to pay money to fly to the moon? And how does their interaction differ than the interaction with the clips provided payloads. I suppose minor action starts at the point where they've already decided to pay the money. To. At that point, that's great. That's someone else's job, but it is. It is a different. Experience an interesting cast of characters always. So NASA. They've done space before. They have their processes and all of these documents, so they know what they're doing a lot of cases, and that makes it simple in some sense, but they were also a higher risk sort of commercial program so sometimes. It's difficult to convince them that. No, this is fine. We don't need twenty four for this and for the commercial ones at sort of. Can Be sort of the other way around there there as excited as we are and willing to. Make things work in unique different ways, but it's also okay well. We'd still have all of these. Do No harm requirements that we need to do so it's coming at it. From two different sort of angles different risk approaches I. Think is mostly the. The biggest difference. For! What is the relative sizes of not not in terms of like mass, but maybe amount of payloads? What is the breakdown between payloads flying? That are NASA payloads, versus what portion of the flight would be a commercial provider external to to NASA. So for our first mission. It's sort of almost half half amount. Wise Mass. Wise I don't think it falls quite that direction, but it's it's about half. So that's that's more significant than I would have guessed. Does that seem to indicate that there might be sufficient man to fly emission that isn't just eclipse mission in any hypothetical world. long in the future is there. Something in the next couple of years that would be not a clips led mission. Do you think that's that's in the cards? I think so I mean there's tons of other government agencies out there universities and then private industries, and maybe it's probably not going to be a griffin mission of commercial payloads, but it's I think there's definitely enough interest out there and once we see that these clips led missions. Land and are safe and can get us there. I think a lot. More interest will also be given to future missions Oh. It's proven that it can work so now. More people are willing to invest money in commercial. Lander providers and we're really seeing an uptick in interest right now. I think the fact that now we've not only are committed to deliver the payload on Peregrine, but where pat pushing forward on the Griffin mission with Viper, it's really built confidence within the industry like the interest has always been there, but it's win. That interests converts into actual dollars in the commercial world. We're seeing happen, so we definitely we would love to fly out a fully commercial mission, but that's not going to need you know NASA has a load bowl of course, if it could fly on the mission as well it just it depends on where they wanna go what they wanna do and what they're form factor is. I. Mean even say that you know I. There won't be a commercial emission with Griffin will. Really it's depending on payload if there were a large deployable satellite that we wanted to carry a long, Griffin's well set up for that a large rover, obviously Griffin, as well set up for that or just just a smorgasbord of payloads at WanNa go to the poll. We'll have already done it so. That provides some really interesting opportunities, and maybe even pre-positioning for some of the man man missions in the future as well. Sample return seems like a one. That's ripe for something a little bit bigger, the size of Griffin I assume that's enough space to do something like that. Is that something that I mean obviously who's not interested in doing a sample return mission, but do you think Griffin have the payload capacity to pull something off like I think it just depends on the specific amount of sample. You WanNA bring back. Just put put a pair on a Griffin and we're ready to go. for your perspective on the the Griffin Mission I think there's a mindset thing coming at this as the second mission to go up. You know for Astro botic. Well I guess you could count. Moon Ranger right as the second mission but the second dedicated lander mission. Are there things that you are taking from the team that's working on the peregrine mission and lessons that you're learning from their side anything that you're doing differently than the first time through given that they're a year whatever it is ahead of the Griffin. Mission from this point every every process we ply is being tested out with peregrine, and really it's not like a created these things from scratch a lot of the processes that we follow it asks robotic or based in more traditional NASA systems. Engineering Management Plan. For example, a lot of us know that by heart and we've applied it in. How do business so to give examples to payload management process that is more internally tailored something. Laura has really led We've learned from that. We are tweaking it and adjusting it apply to a singular payload versus a whole variety of them, and really understanding what's needed when what interfaces really matter? which ones do you have more flexibility on a scheduling? I honestly for anyone who's coming into this new like? Hey, your company and you WanNa come build a lunar lander. There's a lot you're gonNA. Learn the first time around a lot of your assumptions from the spacecraft, world might get blown out of the water. So having that experience on peregrine is just so important and that's why within astronautic we really are. We don't have dedicated teams in the sense that someone only works on Paragon or someone only works on Griffin within our planetary landers group. We have what's called a Matrix Organization, so we have common leads, so Laura is the lead of the Payload Management Team but within her team she'll pick people from the team to work Peregrine Work Griffin. Griffin and sometimes they might crossover, and that's good, because then knowledge is transferred, and all those lessons learned are transferred organically, versus you know having to to force them through some really rigid process, so yeah I i. Am I am so grateful that we are flying that paragraph mission I or even just designing it I and where it is in its development. All the vendor relationships that we've set up all of the partners. It's just awesome. Now one of the primary differences in terms of getting to the finish line for these that the Griffin mission is obviously if vipers not ready to fly the missions, not ready to fly on Burger inside S- quite a few payloads that are involved in this case, so this might be something that you could talk to about you know if. What is the driving factor for the schedule of Peregrine mission is it? Is it a critical mass of payloads? Being ready to go? Is it the case that if one is delayed? The whole thing is delayed. How does that play out in terms of scheduling the actual flight? I think the. Factor for 'EM. One is really going to be mostly launch on our side. The manifest is closed. So I think if the manifest weren't closer would be probably a different story, but. This is also coming from all the other sites as well. All of these payloads, a lot of them are already ready to go. and. It's just a matter of making sure that we integrate them on time and all of that. It's. One payload is going to delay the whole launch. Payloads at aren't ready. We're also working with them and seeing if can move them on future missions since that's. Since there is interested in that as well so we're not trying to kick anyone off, and we're also trying to delay the launch for one singular payload. I think it's sort of a team effort in that sense Missing the buses annoying, but you know there's another one coming. Down the line right and that's that's the strength of clips. Is that it is this series of missions? It's not like you know. The Paragon flight is a complete one off. which historically was the worried that? There's only one chance to get there, so you've got to be ready at the time, so? Access, that's definitely. That's a really good indicator that that's going to be a fun flight to watch and not something that is because we've heard horror stories probably in Daniels over at the launch services, companies of some rideshare missions getting really messy, considering how many payloads there are. But, it seems like things are going to be a little bit more sane on on your end here. In terms of the flight so. To that end, though the fact that clips is a series of missions, other are these other providers I've had members of mass in and the intuitive machines. Teams on the on the show before so this is you know in the way that Daniel has worked every form of locomotion in world. I've now talked to all the providers. They've talked a little bit about some crossover between the teams in terms of helping each other out to some extent that you're trying to solve similar missions is. Is that something that is continuing to this day? What kind of firewalls in place and is it? Is this kind of a team effort? Daniel you were talking about this second ago, internal after Botox. Maybe you could talk about external to astronautic as well. Well, you know there. There are venues within the clips program for all the vendors to get together on the same call and ask questions, so that forum always exists. We welcome our competitors to reach out to us. They're saying subsystems that maybe. WanNa fly on an earlier mission. Reach out to us they want to collaborate on something that we all need together. Reach out to us. something that you know I I'm beginning to see and then I'm thinking. We're GONNA. Push a lot harder for is on things like communication standards. There are different approaches to how you communicate with the Moon within our F as well as the kind of up and coming of laser com on their other NASA. Assets they're be orbiting around the moon in the next few years. That will have communications capabilities. All those things are really exciting, but if you're not in alignment with encoding. Standards. Frequencies of its are F, or or system design in terms of laser. Come on, it's not really gonNA work. It's not gonNA really help develop a commercial market for that, so I'm really already looking at ways that we can strengthen those partnerships and communications with other clips providers, but there our foreign lenders that are. On their way to the moon or design phase right now, we'd love to chat with all of them to maybe get some level of standardization, because it'll be to everyone's benefit right at the today. Certainly as using Mars is an example with how many landed assets are relaying communications through the orbiter's. That's something that I've been interested in and you brought up here in terms of communication on the lunar surface. On a recent viper press call I asked a question about the communications at Viper would be using the mission whether it's direct earth or relayed through the lander. It sound like all of those were looked into. They're going with direct to earth at this point but the the south bowls. Obviously, there's some interesting aspects when it comes to communication. Can you talk a little bit about the communications aspect of Griffin and the capabilities? You have things that you've looked into and how you ended up on the route that you're going with your. An our communication system is sized for the mission requirements. Because really it is something that's a bit more modular compared to other elements of the lander, so we can always swap to a different com- system integrated or even have more than one. If it came down to that so on Griffin, we obviously also do direct earth. There is no relay. Viper sitting on top of US they're chatting with the deep space network on our mission one. We chat with DSS in the SNL is definitely an option for Griffin, but we're actually really focused on looking forward and working with commercial calms providers with Griffin, which is pretty exciting. We know that something that NASA says towards in terms of encouraging. The commercial market to kind of Meld more with with calms and deep-space com, so we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA push that forward to with Griffin on this particular mission with fiber. really won't change anything about architecture. We use the same communications architecture that we have on peregrine with the difference. Being added a high gain antenna for operation at the South Pole as there are certain considerations with a lunar terrain, low angles basically. You're just shooting right over the surface. Direct reports earth when it's above the horizon, and that can create some unique challenges for calms, so on the way to the Moon Viper communicates with her directly. It actually does pass data through through Griffin through a hard line. At then we get to the surface, we both go off and do our own merry way, and communicate with their directly as well. I will mention on the peregrine mission, however we do have Wifi, so we have the capability already to do a rover to lander to Earth, however, with Griffin Viper That wasn't even a requirement. imagine why the rover continues on for a much longer duration mission the landers there to do one job and it's to. Deliver the rover, and after that, it's pretty much mission complete, so that requirement didn't exist. That would just be more scope and more scope growth to be able to last and provide that communication service, but can we do it? Absolutely, we're already doing it. It really just depends on what the top level mission requirements are objectives I want to add in the. The future you know part of our plan for these landers has always been to act as a service provider on the lunar surface whether that's power calms you name it, so that is absolutely part of architecture, but I think as you see us working on commercial missions. Coming down the line, you'll start to see more of those services made made available. And to your point about the you know the topography that you're dealing with where Griffin is going for this mission on that call that I mentioned they they did say that there's GonNa be times that their out of out of sight of the lander. Anyway because they're going into WHO's craters and things like that, so it made more sense to do director Earth and. Unfortunately can't rely on on any given satellite being overhead at any time, so it makes sense and it and it goes to your point of saying that you know you've got to build landers specialized to the location that you're going to. There's many differences between where these things are heading so. It's just cool to see how much diversity in terms of architecture we're having. Now that we've got a bunch of flights manifested so as space nerd, I am nickel excited about it. Yeah, absolutely, and you know you. You can build a I mean. In the end, the bus is generic. It's think of it as the mission kit that you WANNA fly. You'RE NOT GONNA. Bring hardware to mid latitude location that you don't need their same thing at the poll, though at the Paul you pretty much, you need it all that's GonNa. Really be the performance driver for our missions. When you begin to talk about the far side, will then it's. It's even more unique, but don't think of them as custom design landers, they're more custom configured. So pull out that option. pull out that configuration kit to go to a specific location just like it. Put on your jacket to go outside in the cold or shorts to go to the pool. Love that. Laura I don't know if this is something that will be able to dive too deeply into at this point, but I did see an announcement a couple of months ago now that you're working with dynamics on their human landing system to provide payload services, commercial pilot services for that human landing system as well. Is there some background that you'd give us on that program itself how it functions and what we might see there in the future, obviously given that they are in study phase. They're under contract, so I know touchy, but maybe there's some stuff that we can talk about their. I suppose this can go back to the point that Daniels making. The more standard, the interfaces are across the industry. The better it is for all of us. So. You're developing a payload, and then you only have to develop it to one standard. You can fly it on these ten different landers. That's better for you, and it's better for us. Because all of these payloads are coming to us with a standard interface, so we're I. think that's sort of one of the goals of this is to help develop a standard. Interface that makes it easier for payloads and for us to be able to accommodate each other on the way to the moon. That's cool, so yeah I mean it sounded like the way you were talking before about. If any payload needs to shift between flights that is made easier by having standardized interfaces in the same way that any given launch service provider can re manifested cube set. Per employers that that's kind of the idea there, but I guess for his. Loads mainly the idea here. That's interesting well. I'm looking at my list as you two are just blowing through answers here. You're too efficient for my. List here. The one thing I wanted to touch on with Griffin. This is my last question. That I have that I. have not asked. I was personally surprised. That NASA was willing to double up on a particular provider for these early flights of clips. But clearly there's major technical and business reasons that they went with. Griffin, so, what? What is it that you think is the competitive advantage that that allowed Griffin to win the Viper mission. Absolutely I mentioned we. We added design on the table. We weren't coming into this blind with. Okay, let's go. Who What do we need to do for Vapor? It's like Oh. Let's just adapt what we've already done. and yeah, I mean in it away. It was oh. Missed it was waiting for Viper to materialize we've really. I think that really sets us apart quite a bit. Bit We went as far as our prototype went through a modal test. We had done deployment tests on the ramp significant prototyping This was a major effort actually. I, believe that predate some of the work on peregrine itself back back in the earlier days of the company, so it's always been on our mind. It's not something that we just dreamt up. Yesterday also these systems. Systems are being proven. If you will many of them, already are proven systems, but they're being moon proven on peregrine. So just the fact that we put that mission into space it gets to the Moon Lands on the moon. Every single step is another check box that helps us validate our approach for Griffin as far as I. Know None of the other clips level competitors. Competitors could really say that on the an apples for apples. Comparison because we're also able to do that at eclipse price at a price that's comparable to what we're offering. If really not better in some regards amount of price per kilogram basis than peregrine so it's not the exquisite solution. If you want, compare it to the Leo geosat world. It's the right solution for the mission. And that's what NASA is looking for. It's pretty crazy. How the payload range worked out perfectly for what was already designed for Griffin? the that fits in perfectly like you're saying. It was almost made for it But yeah, that's the thing right? There was a lot of landers that could have been chosen that are much larger payload classes which come with a much larger price tag so. It's all about that balance. As you're saying, that's why even on the launch side? You know people talk about price per kilogram, and that's good, but if you have to buy the whole thing, sometimes, that's not as useful metric. It's getting really good price on apples, but you have to buy a truckload of apples and he like I just wanted a couple of apples for lunch. I don't need all of those apples. That's exactly right. It does seem like that was. The way that it went there so. Well is there anything that should have been on my question list here? Either in the payload section for Laura or the Griffin side for Daniel? I think we covered a lot of great things. No, it's super exciting working with all these commercial NASA payloads and I think it's going to be really interesting to I. Mean as we come up on the launch of Peregrine and keep working on Griffin I should be a lot more exciting news coming hopefully. Interesting updates. I, will I will add you know a lot of people that we We talked to her interested in getting involved and that comes from those who are straight out of school to those who have been working in the space industry for decades bring a wealth of experience of the common answer. Get as to why they want to come join our missions enjoy Nasser Badeah has been they really WanNa work on a lunar mission there so much excitement to be involved in going to the moon. I mean it's it's right there, you see. See almost every night so it's it's so attainable, so many people also grow grew up either with Apollo or following Apollo, and they're being lack thereof access to noon from a US perspective and the factory able to bring that back is really exciting, so I will say if there are others out there who are interested in joining a lunar mission, and not just one but two and more to come on. Please check out our website. We have a variety of positions open, and we're always looking for the right candidate. join our team. And I do love Pittsburgh. Excited state here I. Don't like the Penguins. Your sports teams do very much. Enjoy the city. Yeah, you know. Everyone can't be perfect, but And I say this having grown up in the Philadelphia area, myself. Pittsburgh! It isn't underappreciated city It is like a little Seattle and that's what people really need to understand like. If you're looking at jobs in the Seattle area because you liked the area same things year like amazing, cultural diversity hunted outdoors surrounded by the city three rivers, not just one. That's pretty cool and and there's actually while the space industry here is new. There's a strong tech industry like a really really strong tech industry in Pittsburgh. So if you decide, you know what the Moon just isn't for me anymore. There are other options. You're not really pigeonholed old here so I encourage people to. Give Pittsburgh a chance indefinitely yet more southern Philadelphia. Years yes one time I. This is totally random, but I was in Pittsburgh wants, and I randomly stumbled into Perogie fest. which was amazing? They were out of Pirogies so incredibly bumped like I got there while the lines were filled in. Everyone told me they were out of Perogie and I. Was it was simultaneously the most exciting and most disappointing moment of my life producer, definitely the way. That's for sure. I did meet the Perogie that are the baseball games. They were there, so it wasn't a total loss, not many other places. You can do that so anyway. Thank you both so much for being on the show I hope once we're all the pandemic I can take a drive over and hang out in person some point or maybe even be down there for the launch. Getting pretty close here so excited for that and thank you both again for for hanging out for a while here. Thank. You and you're always welcome. Thank you again to Laura and Daniel for coming on the show. Was a pleasure talking with them and I much more informed now on what is going on over there and I'm really excited to watch. Some of these clips missions fly I've continuing to said that. Wild Artemis is getting all the headlines and getting all the focus and getting all of the politicking. Clips is kind of flying under the radar and is one of my favorite. 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T+161: Mark Wiese, Manager of NASAs Gateway Deep Space Logistics

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T+161: Mark Wiese, Manager of NASAs Gateway Deep Space Logistics

"Hello and welcome to managing. Cut Off I'm antic, Liangelo as always and we've got today I'm really excited about this one. It's been in the works for a little while now, but we finally hit the moment time. When timing is right to have this conversation so today we'll be talking with Marquis who is the manager for the Gateway Logistics Program based in at Kennedy Space Center this is the program that will be supplying cargo and logistics to the Lunar Gateway which is a key part of NASA's arguments program to build a small outpost round the moon from there we could stage lunar landings. International partners could add on modules and things that we would be. That would be useful in Lunar, orbit. So this is a really awesome program to talk about. Because most recently, there was announcement that space x has won the Gateway Logistic Services Contract, they're going to be supplying a minimum of two missions to the gateway over its lifespan. They're going to be building a new vehicle for this called Dragon Xl. We talked about this a little while back on the show. I've got some links in the show notes too old episodes believe it was episode. Let me make sure that I'm not lying to you. It was episode one fifty two that we talked about extensively and SPACEX bid and how it fits into everything. So I'm going to be talking with Mark Today about the logistic. Services Program I've got some questions. Ask some bones to pick. and mark is awesome and open, so I'm really excited for this conversation. Hope you are as well. There's a lot to learn here. And importantly than I think it's important, note up front. The all of the programs that are in work in as part of the program. We've talked about human landings. We talked about gay logistics in the past. The actual gateway itself even so far as the robotic landers, the Commercial Lunar Payload Services Program. All of these are programs that work really well in their own. They work really well together, and it's. It's interesting to see all of these different things in work at the same time. As all the politicking is going on that. We've been covering on the show for a while, so learning about these programs individually is is a really interesting way to kind of fulfill the mental picture in your head and figure out what you actually think about these programs, because there's a lot of talk out there about the gateway, but when you hear about these programs specifically I, think it changes your perspective a little bit about what's possible and what there is to be used in the near future here in the US and elsewhere in the world, so without further ado. Let's give mark a call. Mark Welcome to managing cutoff. I'm happy to have you here after we've been thinking about doing this for a while, so it's good to finally have you on the show. The Anthony, I'm excited to beyond MECO, pretty cool of neon, one of the first podcasts I ever into that's awesome. Yeah, we send saying that we've. tweeted an email enough that I think you know the kind of detail. We like to get into so. This should be fun to to Divan, and I was in prep for this looking back through. Links and podcasts that I've done all the way back for two years or so. Maybe, even more than two years at this point. About this kind of stuff that we're talking about here today, which is Gateway Logistics. I think a lot of people have been following gateway program and artists. Generally obviously we have on the show here, but I would love to hear a little background on logistics itself and its context around gateway. Gateway has been in different forms for several years now. But logistics has a pretty long time line that I don't think people realize I think. People picked up on the news when SPACEX was announced, but if you could give us a little background on how the program started its interaction with Gateway and Interestingly how it ended up at Kennedy Space Center where you are working day to day. Yeah, absolutely so. Call new earlier. I'm a New Yorker. Ronan rate, so I keep running on, so cut me off from talking to. You want to get a specific along the way, so the good news is with that. You can keep up with how fast I talk. I. Don't notice it at all. So is like August of two thousand eighteen, when I first got involved, had a phone call Jason crews, and and they were going through early formulation of gateway, and we were talking about what this logistic role could be, and and gateway was present toward what they called a formulation synchronization review, and there was a place where they were going to kind of lay out on. On the table, all the initial planning work at are gone in formulating gateway would be, and it was at that point that they were laying out a habitation assignments, marshalls white center at the time, and the logistics assignment that Kennedy at that time, so I kind of went in blind started that in fall twenty eighteen went to that synchronization singer of Asian review. And that's where I learned about what logistics we've all out and Jason Had a vision at that time that logistics would be the big piece. That wasn't just the bring cargo up to gateway. It was all it was really all things transportation gateway at that time. He said Hey. We're we're bringing Kennedy in because we really want you to leverage all you guys have been doing at Kennedy on services program with the NASA lot services, contracts, and then also Poland cargo resupply ISAS experience on crm. Package that all in one so that we can have this big you know in the end contract that can really serve a lifetime over trying to do with gateway that was kind of early involvement in fall of twenty eighteen at that time Jason said a vital way. We really want to get this thing. Set Up. You have a contract awarded within a within a year, which was like ridiculously fast. But I had some experience under my belt from program to enter class art services contracts, and we did that really fast instead we can. We got the right talent here. We can pull this off. Just hit the ground running. So, you mentioned the commercial cargo. Tien, and that's that's one of the things that I'm I'm curious to to pick on a little bit. There's many different components of the legacy of commercial cargo at this point and even commercial crew. Now they're seeing start flying There's obviously the contracting function and right the fixed price. Architecture of that, but there's also the interaction with NASA and the providers, so it seems like that was a big part in you know taking lessons learned. They're taking some guidance and direction from what's been working well there and applying it to logistics. Are there specific things that you look to based on what you've seen SPACEX and north of Grummin over the past our years now it's been you know. It's it's been tons of missions they're they're up to space. X. At twenty north of Grumman is in the teens I think. So. What were those things that you pulled out of those programs to apply forward to the gateway? Go that a huge part and we pulled in from fumes from Johns based on her who've been working? SIERRAS leave for the past couple of years and. Evaluation, or were you actually go through and review? Insert the requirements for with our appeal. And there was a lot. There are on the interaction with human system. Right because Kennedy, you know. Not, pretty passionate about this commercials face contracting way of doing business really started in the late nineties with the with more services program that was where resort to buy a service, and it evolve then whole win human spaceflight angle when Sierra's got involved, and there's a whole nother layer complication right to play in interaction with human systems. So we knew from the start we weren't going to be developing a human rated system. Per Se gateways got are a little different spin on human rating where we're actually human rating. When a Ryan is doc and crews, there were crew tended. Spacecraft were not twenty four seven through guy assesses so there was a lot of how. How do we understand what's the are able to do? The leverage things on space station without having to go so so veep requirements that we all sudden aren't enabling commercial service way of attracting because it really you've got to refocus your requirements a commercial thing to say this is what I want you to do, and not on how and that that has been one of the hardest things because you know coming from shuttle and coming from station, you know the the switch to try to make sure mentoring commercial providers of all our lessons learned, but gone through at NASA and not specifically. Tell them how that's. What opens the door renovation, so we hold on? Packing and interfaces, the cargo and how? What we really spent a of common requirements, as going back and forth with the JC team, because this wasn't space station and it was. How do we go find that perfect set of what we need. Providers do without getting into the nitty gritty of how they need to go. Do it new. That would involve over time. All right I have like a thousand different ways to to go from here. Because I've got like I've got to bones to pick with to be honest. Not really just things that I've picked up on that very curious about and then. Also to talk about how this sits in you, you mentioned the time line here. You were working on this early. In two thousand eighteen and plans of changed a lot since then they're still changing because of you know trying to get to the moon by two thousand twenty four requires a lot of flexibility so let's start with with some of the bones to pick because it is related to commercial cargo. And, these numbers may have changed, but I pulled it out of the original. RFP's and things like that all. To your first podcast when he talked about this I remember probably yes, so my team. I played that for my team after we. Are. Going GonNa be good. Okay, this is awesome. So one of the things that I noticed early on was that. The initial detailed notice of the RFP said that the initial requirement was for free missions with a single mission expected to deliver five metric tons of pressurized cargo and two point six metric tons of unpressurised cargo. That puts it at a significant bump over the commercial cargo vehicles that we have today. Dragon says they can take six tons up to the IS S. in any mix of pressurized on pressurize. They typically become volume limited way before mass limited. Sickness can do three and a half metric tonnes. So what? What is it? That drove the requirements much higher because that essentially means a new vehicle for any provider I think. cygnus probably had some flexibility to expand the size a little bit. We're seeing that with the habitation module that they're building based on Cygnus. But why was there such a significant jump and were their studies done to see what you could do with existing vehicles before going in and developing a whole new variant of vehicle for logistics, great early on early formulation gave, and all about being that precursor for. For Deep Space Transportation Mars so a lot of early on analysis of trying to figure out and Scoop Gateway always have this forward-looking perspective on. How do we get to Mars so in typical aerospace engineering design? You know everybody vigors better, so everybody kept going down that path of wanting to go bigger, wanting to go bigger looking at the vehicle, they have procedure s and thinking well I'm only sending one, and we're going to have an annual Hayden's of one mission a year. How do I make? Sure got enough for thirty sixty ninety day crew mission. I gotTa have enough. Supply up there. He outfit and do science so so some of the science and engineering community kept going bigger bigger bigger. And that initial are if I was a little bit more of the gathering because we had both NASA side saying he's getting bigger bigger bigger, and then our perspective of Hey, but we got a firm direction that we're going and buying commercial service, so we don't want to drive development, so let's ask them questions in our fi and try to understand where the state of the industry is going and if they. They have any reason now now. Those two numbers also kind of a hey. How do you WANNA mix them? Because we knew we also have this big requirement of of getting your other buddy. Jake's friends Canadian arm out there, so yeah, so we have this really shocked. E You know external payload that will be on a one time thing, but we had to like. Hold that into the mix somehow so. So what was really trying to thread the needle Outta. Understand what this requirement is from the NASA side how to understand commercial can provide again. Try not to be prescriptive so that. was really trying to figure out what's out there and make sure we understood. Where we could push without driving. mccaw, okay, then you've coupled that with, and this is from I think i. read this in the RV somewhere, and it was in your Industry Day powerpoint this. How into these details I was getting? Had the total mass at gateway arrive at fourteen metric tons. So you've got this like sweet spot that you're looking for where you can. You've gotta take a lot of cargo, but you can only be so big. I assume that one is about actual gateway interactions, and when you're docked at the gateway, you've got certain requirements for station, keeping and all that kind of stuff, but but what is the specific goal specific requirements around that maximum size of fourteen metric tons, so that was a two piece to requirement, so you're absolutely right on the part about knowing the requirements that we're in the P. R. P.. P. And understanding the control moment ability of controlling his entire stack and trying to lock in that we weren't. GonNa have this huge heavy thing hanging off a one side and that you the whole be control the stack. That was the first piece that went in and then the other one that started focusing in on was. Hey, we're buying commercial service. Fourteen metric tons is about as safe as you can go with the current launch vehicle market and actually get something out there, so so we focused in from that standpoint. I will tell you going forward. That requirement will be gone, so that was. A giant, some of these landers are now on. I think it's come to the point now. Where we realize you know we don't again. I think more people are opened their mind. Who really we the government don't need the necessary. Constrain the trade space. So from a controlling the gateway stack standpoint, we can work that. At one time basis logistic isn't gonNA. Go Up there and be docked at the time. We thought we had a three year onward life requirement. We back down to one so when you start thinking about. How long would something big hangup the NBA Doc? You start about how much fuel us on PD, so we've got a lot more I think. Analysis now that's being done on different design analysis like wolves to understand how we control stack with the amount of fuel that they'll have on TV. We don't have to recover from the control standpoint, and then hopefully in a commercial services main. Now that we've awarded one. We shouldn't have to drive too hard on constraining to make sure we don't get something. That's not real. Yet and. To your point about the launch vehicle if contractors going to you know. They're they're probably already thinking launched. You know they're not. Pitching this in in a vacuum teased terrible pun in this case, but they know they have to get it out there so I think the the thing that I originally brought up that totally eliminated starship from competition for logistics. Now I, don't know specifically. is down a different path, but I was surprised. That SPACEX BID DRAGON XL two. You know if there's something you can talk about, but were you surprised to see what came in from spacex? Did it make a lot of sense given the the kind of constraints that were set along this program line, so that made a lot of we didn't know basically going to be you know a lot of times in these processes you before you get are out there a lot of back and forth industry enough about our bottles about to. Understand, an industry is trying to help influence requirements. Rana goes to them and you know we. We weren't sure what everybody was GonNa bid and I think we were. We were looking for the way. We really trying to spell requirements. Is We're? We're buying a commercial service? We didn't what an for development we don't want to go. Do a lot of development, so we were really hoping the solutions would come. That were derived and leveraging all investment, NASA already in different systems out there, so the seeing number hose drags excel was was not a shock You know we expected something that was going to leverage where they had done dragging, but we weren't certain. GonNa be because he knew all the starship. You know push and and where they're going long term, but but when we got it, it was A. Sure you're repertoire selection seen. An outstanding. Yeah the the interesting thing. Is You know I was shocked? Because space x seems to be heading a certain direction at starship. We've seen that on the human land inside of the Army's program as well and this. This is a significant. It's I don't know if it's significantly different vehicle, but it does have a lot of differences in the way it launches I. Noticed that it it mates to the upper stage where the docking port is so it Kinda launches upside down in our mental model of how Dragon Launches Today? One of the things mentioned in that source selection document is that the service module is actually? At that doc import side, so you've got the whole. Actual habitable volume or cargo volume behind in that seemed interesting. Is there any any kind of comments that you can make on the actual structure of that vehicle in the way that it docks De Gateway? The concern was having that service section right up against gateway and having crew passed through it. Was that something that was unique in the first time you've encountered that or did this seem like something? That was within the Ballpark of what you were guessing happen, so it was it was definitely unique. I think a lot of us had Marquez the traditional kind of spacecraft boss. Pug something that was probably commercially developed. That was on the back end and that. Signaled to send you exactly exactly so this was a little different, but but what? To far into proprietor basics, basically taking all their systems of the US for Argo Crew Dragon and they're repackaging them a little differently and the. Notorious for coming up with innovation and creative ways of doing things, so they did this and it. It look different, so the you saw. We wrote that. Hang up north source Argentina from that standpoint. Just unknowns. It wasn't necessarily. This is a huge risk. It was just a little different, so we're going to have to begin to something out of the. Process. Yeah and you can tell the. They have a very. Unique docking port Look to it right? We've seen this now. On the on the crew missions up the S. where they've got those four drako thrusters kind of around the rim of the dock. Important it's it's really interesting just to see that. I'm excited to see it fly. Now they were selected and you said that there is a to mission. Guarantee for this contract. I? Know other governmental agencies. This might be something that you have to say. No comment to I don't know. Other Department of Defense. Agencies and things like that. When they specify a guarantee or a minimum, they have to allocate funds at that time for those missions. Is that similar for NASA or is? Are there differences in the contracting structures so a little bit different macari instructor so again we're we are. One of the biggest strikes we have. An accident is leveraging the service programs expertise in commercial services, so that heritage of services have around for forty years. What wants Volvo? Signs in origin spacecraft Free Agency, so we took a lot of cues from how they set up their contracts, or from from nation liability standpoints from How return on missions how we allocate on the violating the contract? Absolutely we are committing that we are buying energy to michels phase, but but sometimes these issues and I remember procurement director's the overview. I started to get involved with type A work was. An idea is an EVAC award. Sometimes if you don't guarantee anything, and how're you incentivizing company to bid if they don't see what? Amount of dollars guaranteed, so we set up the DOS contract to enable ongoing competition every ability to on ramp at any point during the time and you know we've got this really wide open space with offering to, or we can go a special arts mission direction, so the the guarantee is to make sure that you know these providers when they come and put their money where their mouth is and try to get on this contract for our all space logistics project, they can actually see you. They've got a little bit of a guarantee, but then it's an ongoing kitchen going forward for them to gain more working more missions going forward. Now that's that's a model that we're seeing in a lot of different NASA programs right now like commercial lunar payload services. Has This model where they on ramp? Different competitors different providers, and then they they award task orders That, that interaction seems much more straight up to add on new providers than this does because. Presumably if you were going to unwrap another provider in the future, it would be a bigger ask because in many of these cases they're developing a new vehicle. So, what would that process be like? What would it be responding to? How much cargo is needed at gateway wants the full plan and architecture really comes together the next couple years, and then taking the step to onramp or I just don't really have a good mental model for. The call what would be the the impetus for that? So I think so we set up. Deal us so that we could all right from the start, and we've laid out all the proposal and saw where we're at that time. It made sense just a one. And we would open it up again and again it's it's set. We can open it whenever we want. I think the key to opening up again is when there's a little bit of a change in the environment, so if we see another to come on board, we see another development coming out of something else note whether they jealous us or C., r. s or somewhere else. Else that that shows a little bit more maturity in competition in the market that we're going after for cargo accidental Because you know this is i. think the power of what NASA has started to realize the last decade or so is that we can't set up these long term cost plus contracts because it incentive you know the risk is all on. The government incentivizes Costlo. Though this this way the way we're incentivizing Austin to make sense and being Stewart of the American taxpayer dollar is driving through competitive environment so. Is Pretty straightforward in their sense, and even the Nestle services little bit straightforward where they opened up the on ramp and get on, and you have the ability. To be and compete past order. We're doing it a little bit different. You know we'll look for that. Change in the environment will look for a little bit more maturity in front of the other systems out there, and if we think they're ready, will open up and battle. Allow us to bring someone else on guarantee them to mission, which good for them. Because we're guaranteeing them our award, you get on rubric kwbz or you get on the analyst. Guarantee Right off the bat. You're GonNa win something so it's a way of us were shadowing. Confidence in the system that gets on board, and against them to and then going forward, we got a catalog, different prices and maybe different. Billion can pick whatever we want for the Clinton one cargo missions, and then we've got a setup for special art ability where we can go down and compete different capabilities. I want to get into some of the textures of these particular programs, but the last thing on the kind of vehicle architecture. I'm curious. If you think that these vehicles could also be applicable to assess program for example, is there anything that would preclude them from using dragon xl to haul large amounts of cargo up to the? You know taking over some of the we've seen large cargo vehicles had up there before a TV from Europe ATV from Japan. Do you think that's something that that would work out and might be in the cards in the near future of the Isis Program thinks they need that your there. There's nothing that would preclude them so the way we set up. The contract is all about, says lunar, and and going to the moon, so it wouldn't be VR contract, but the wave a the SIERRAS contractors. I I'm sure there's a way for for space for look at offering different solutions, so and and their design of Dragon Excel I would fully expect would have ability for them to want to service lower Horvath without in that system. Yet seems I mean. It's a crazy amount of cargo that you can take up there. So that's that would be really cool to see one day, and it's great I, mean you know we're in this mode? You know you talked about a lot would axiom, but got really tournament corner commercializing lower orbit and that's really. The vision and mission what my trying to set up the weekend be the Pathfinder from Ursula Space and go. Find that way of greeting logistics node of the Moon and getting other industries onboard to realize you know there. Aren de leg year that we can develop if you can go find a commodity out there with this water ice, and and find a way to get earthworms meaning. Arrive and make money out there. We can really be that commercial services piece going either. On Him, ause it's an awesome pond that we're in. Yeah, definitely is I'm I'm pumped so I, wanted. Let's talk about the missions themselves You're going to be supplying logistics and cargo to these human missions out at the gateway I love to hear a general mission plan, both like you know. Does this launch before after the crew? Does it launch either or How does it interact with the actual said there's like a twelve month. kind of life span, but I think I saw six to twelve months. The arrange there. So how does that interact with what the potential human missions are that? We'll see in the next ten years. Yes, so on the the Quin one-sided deal that bringing cargo bring a cargo module habitable Mongol. Recruiting though and Siro is planned to be. Every time we send crew, we send this big. You know trump you think. Shuttles will accrue model on a cargo module. All One vehicle and we've got right so Juana Ryan's going. We're going to send her a cargo module up there and the planet pre-positioning. We probably launched before the crew. Get up there. Make sure it's pre-positioned than DOC and crew and we have supplies their needs or At Gateway. Transfer agent less of a victim artery. So that's Rhode. COPS is annual kings of omission, the go out the artists and explore a moment we set up a design reform it for twelve months not recalls again any down requirements as much as we good, and we said the basis that you'd be up there for six months mission and mission capability where we can turn on and extend the stay at. At Gateway for some reason, we think we need them to be there for longer than six months away and Orion launching world. There's some reasonable extent and that's where we set that up. We've also this mission unique capability away. We can turn options diviner power. You want some special package, so we put a mission unique capability when we design the R E. Fast Transit, so that was US trying to foreshadow, we didn't want to prescribe or preclude different ways of getting remove. Obviously, he invested a lot of mornings old winter promotion the COMSAT. World Mersal side is investing Alonzo Electric Propulsion, so we don't want to preclude that as a possibility, but we also knew that NASA human spaceflight experience said we're GonNa want to wait as long as we can. Before we wash Parvo if we can have it within a couple weeks before launch. Ryan, that's probably. Probably I ideal is going to be some last minute thing. We WanNA throw on there. And we walked out of literally so instead of baselining not a requirement, precluding a solar electric propulsion pipe transport, we said, give us total cost to your fast transit, and we can decide at some point whether we want to pay for that option. And we picked up or use more often than not is wait till the end, but again the way we set this up as the derive maximum flexibility. I just keep distracted by the fact that NASA really needs to come up with something different other than people at this point like that acronym is has. Know. I heard you talking about that earlier. They really you gotTA. You gotta work on that one. Now might. Maybe it'll change now that they're going to be integrated on the ground. We can come up with a new a term for like the base of the gateway. That that's an interesting thing that's change recently. Is that the the first two elements where the power and propulsion element and then the habitation element those are now going to be integrated on on launch launch together. Does that change change anything for logistics because those vehicles are certainly going to change a little bit right? They've they are now going to be architect. Different does that change anything about either the requirements of the vehicle or or the interaction with gateway itself. It doesn't change anything. Performance was for logistics. It just puts a little bit more need an emphasis on act. We got A. It's got a large cargo capability. Because now we're Co.. Of a little bit more stress on designs like process that make sure they cut mass and figure out what is in wants out how to fill out in early early gateway formulation that was powerful, and then you had to utilize Asian model with that node on space station, and and then the US have international haircuts of sort of opens out, and this was kind of a let's figure out how to optimize, and you knew a lot of pressure out there and make sure in. People Thinking Gateway Resist huge runaway program. It's not very lean in spacecraft out there space station now fair to aggregate all of our systems, so so this is the. Big Decision was the aggregate these two on the ground of getting it makes sense that built by a lot of risk took away the service model from the cygnus heritage of Halo. So that they can. Both those two things together, and I think this requirements. Wise on, we'll just picks. It's okay that there may be more system, but I gotTA A up. Even some things that might be permanent on Halo we might have on our side just to make sure they've got all the flexibility. They need to have the in the weight within bound existing commercial for marketplace. Does it change anything that There's now a solid potential that the first logistics launch would be the first thing that launches and then dachshund sis lunar space. Launches from Earth flies. The Moon Docks with something as its primary mission that that's not I. Don't think that's been done before, right? So the. receive the economists docking in Space Station and lower orbit, so that was been a requirement on logistics from the star that we have that autonomous rendezvous. Docking and SIERRAS GONNA WANNA work. Buy Down that risk. Throw that doesn't. Scare us at all. We played in from the star, and again why we were wondering so much on buying commercial service could be felt like about down out there so way out there space. Obviously, the environment's little different, and we're getting a little bit further away, but. It's not something we see. Rhys. You're making people happy back in the day that that wanted a lunar orbit rendezvous was the original Apollo missions. Somebody out there is cheering her that I like that. I would love to hear a little bit about what the once it's doc gateway. You've got humans out there. What is the interaction with this module? There's going to be cargo storage and side are they're going to be experiments and other scientific or things happening there now that you're adding on this big habitable volume two to gateway that's that's been a big piece along the make sure that you know unlike space station Mir. Space Station looks like a lot of garages here on Earth. Every time you bring up a cargo Mongols quickly. Unload this U-HAUL. Let's put everything where we can, and then eventually that Carmichael the repack it with trash. We claim to be that same thing, but it's got to be that wreck. Super Fancy walking also so. We're not gonNA. Pull everything out just X and even gateway and Democracy Room for smaller. Apartment on the. House, was space nation defense, so we planning to go up there and try to make sure this is an extension model. That's got cargo that you need done. It's got room for experiments that happen, and obviously we could be doing experiments in room, and on the way back to dispose of ourselves, so we don't expect a lot of transfer out of this model. It's really going to be a refreshed. He's that. Keep coming up over and over again. The disposal element is interesting. So after the mission the vehicle has to dispose of itself. Where is the basic idea that that would be disposed to? And and what kind of flexibility do you have to? Is there a potential to reuse it in a different way for the architecture whether it'd be a relay satellite or something like that? There's all kinds of potential we in the contract again. Leveraging a lot of heritage from LLP the the make sure we set this contract out, so provider wants to find a way to make money on this outside of its mission for gateway. That's fully out there open We did not dictate power. They go dispose of it. We said Hey, you got a telephone. Weekend approve that wind so I think we all thought from the stars, probably heliocentric orbit but you know there is some early talks of if they wanted to slow, the you know on the moon is. Is that possible and you know there's different analysis going on with the dust than what it gets ejected in his navy. The let's just right requirements, so they have to come back. tape does and if they want to do another commercial mission after the fact that had for. A while when we look at it, make sure it's. Negatively impact anything. The government's known. Ability to through that. We want them to eaten Mommy Zan of. Is that commercial economy out there and? I I love the Gateway Program for its flexibility so far and every time that there's been things coming up in the architecture. There was so many different ways to use things so originally, the power and propulsion element was going to have a choir, two of them and us one as the main PC, and then figure out what to do with the other one that's changed since, but I feel like that stuff always comes up, which is here's what we need to do. Beyond that, let's talk about it and that that model is just awesome to see like really with announced yeah! I. Don't have too many things left on my list here. You're just crushing through my topics Is there anything else about gateway? I should have asked that we didn't get to at this point. See. I mean you've done really well, I think I think gateway is this essential piece for US figuring out how to go to Mars. I saw a lot in upfront. You know you hear a lot of negativity out there. Sometimes of what was just reckless, limited Iraq and I used to make the analogy a lot. You know we're here. Any Space Center in central Florida is someone's GonNa. Come here, pre pandemic and COVID. Come explore all the attractions on all the parts that are here in central Florida. You don't get off at the airport and go afar. Direct right to the local through which you gotta go set up a base camp, and that's what gateway really is. It's based cancer. You can go explore all central Florida has offer, and that's what gateway is, and we figure that out and you know we start to get better and better at this we start to push our economy out and figure out resources. We can leverage now. We're really set and we're taking that groups that tomorrow's to Mars which I wasn't sure. We're going to be possible in my career. Less thing that I want to end on, and maybe this is something that you don't want get too involved in, but there's obviously a lot of political risk right now with artists. There's a lot of politicking to be done. We had Brian Stein on the last episode of my other podcast off nominal, and he was talking a lot about this and. To me the fact, there are different projects underway that get us to the moon. In different ways in dissimilar ways is a real strength because you've got commercial lunar payload services for small robotic landers. You've got gateway to establish this outposts. You've got the human landing systems. Do you see these as things that that exist together really well, but can exist on their own, and does that frame? You're thinking about the program that you're setting up and how it's politically survivable as we've seen a lot of NASA programs of the years, come and go because of politics. Do you feel like this is the right path to be able to maintain this for the time line that you've set out for gateway? Great person and I absolutely do a conversation with the quotes folks the other day making the analogy that you know quips and are are. Very much complementary. If you're willing to take all kinds of risks, that's what clips is set up to do, and it's a way to help develops more companies. Get some development by down. take a lot of south on goal, and then Jia lesson were. We don't have the same polymer. Send him up a billion dollar science. You know we're bringing up a habitation model that thing out. There were rain Canadian, arm these one on asset. We can't take as much risk so so they are very much complementary and been each the same thing. Right Hls is developing that that really long lead item that we gotta go get right of landing on the surface of the move so I think they all lay out really complementary and I think Brian. Funds thundered amazing job of really getting. What we've had the fix over so many years is the communication has to get now down right so? We get our partisans. Markham public loves US and we love. Inspire and really get that younger generation to see what ability they go, do and Brian for such an effort on immunity, and now we're in spotlight. This were people. Aren't you have podcast all these super fans all over the place? spacex done so much to really drive a whole new fandom, so I think we. We have this thing our. Complimentary and we can remain flexible. You know as make sense in our country investing in different times and we'll get through. This will work. I think I think. We're set up for long haul and I'm very excited for that. Point my career. Perfect way to end mark. Thank you so much for coming on I'm I'm excited? Post Fan to come down to Kennedy and see one of these head off to the moon. That'll be a really exciting time to be there. For Shit you have appreciate all you do to help, spur of muscle. What massive massively! Thank you so much I've got tons of links in the show notes the things that we've talked about here. mark is very open on twitter as mentioned so if you ask them questions I'm sure you wouldn't mind that Do your reading because this is a lot of stuff to read on Gateway Logistics and it's awesome to have you here to. To ask you, these questions had been bothering me for a while now, so that's it's a real pleasure to talk with you, too. Thank you. Thanks again to mark for coming on the show as I said, he is an awesome guy to talk to. Really Open and honest and I love that that we can have frank conversations where I'm asking why they wrote requirements a certain way, and he answers honestly informs US release to what the thinking is 'cause. It's easy to sit here in my chair and talk about these things, but it's really cool to hear. From the team working on what the requirements were that drove that, and that's the kind of stuff I love doing here. 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You know you can't be doing that road specifically us that ain't that angel quote with it sound better this way and then you read into people copying i mean your knew that he was going to come forward and come at you He said he was gonna fight that way. You know that wasn't a deontay that we've seen for forty some plus five. What are you what do you did. He hurt you early on that you know affect you the rest of the way it was some defector. You know my uniform coming out. Kevin was way to have accused of the fight media. Tanja word the biggest. No he didn't hurt me at all some of the fact that you know my uniform coming out with other the book you know he took. It didn't hurt me at all. Some the fact that you know money uniform coming out with for the other half of the from the beginning of the play out without welcome back ladies and gentlemen welcome back francis mario. How're you was why you gotta do hippies. No i'm the first one. I'm jumping off the george washington be edited audio many. They a in audio is some some audio genius. Making it sound like. He said that. That ain't really him. Okay that is. I am not washington with you. Know what's going on. That was mark breeland despite the audio like like it was like face off the movie but it was like vocals instead now mark man he got like mark changed the audio man. Marchese audio okay. Okay okay or russia. Yo l mario before. Don't jump off the bridge. The other side of the bridge Say on the wild aside because why would it take a year you know why because his that software rain to change voices shit and match up while does voice so that you could say would it. Sounds like it could be wilder. You had to pay for that audio man. That's some sick audio that's like auto tunes. Tom's millie mill. But here's the thing. How do you get the audio. Nobody changer they just had to match it to wildest voice. You're saying you're saying it's like scream when they called instead of it being nice. What's your favorite scary movie. It was like wow. This is the worst excuse you can think of. No no when you talk into what comes out is vast. Oh maybe he had that thing from home alone to the walkie talkie thing you know what i'm saying. Orders like down kills. Salim said home alone. You hear the audio right before. Kevin is only part. It's like oh yeah. I mean i did that on purpose. Don't worry about it yeah man. Wow this thing just gets weirder a weird. I'm with the conspiracy theories out fake because while you gotta wait a year to release audio s america. I'm all for your right in saying you jump off that bridge i'm just gonna wait for the splash. Saying how many times pat pain go before you start well and remember. T pain went platinum. He never sound that you ever heard interview. My man did his song. He didn't sound like fox. he sound like he. Sounds like t pain auto tune the audits. Blame it on the alcohol. So i don't know man. It's like no cuts like whoever did it. They did it like joe on some change. The past of saying like they did like. There's no like abrupt like his shifts or you can't hear like no click tom. I come from the tri-state we follow the to see low. We got to throw this out is is. The evidence is too old is inadmissible at this point. It's been a year. I don't even know that you can win. This come from The prosecution is in this so late in the game. The defense didn't even though we wasn't even aware it is. This is an admissible at this point. Because kevin is kevin widened. Kevin tweet this anyway is allegedly leaked. Where's it coming from. Yeah no that's that's the one thing you've said so far that i could definitely Rock with in the sense that it is strange. That coming like kevin is one of the best in the game. You know he's not gonna do anything to jeopardize himself like i mean. I can't imagine him sending out snippets or the whole thing like drake would attract and then somebody leak it. You know what i'm saying like this. This is my thing. Yo like kevin. I only really out here talking about leap audio. First of all it was mean. You wanna phone. I'm kevin you wilder and now all of us and my recorded conversation which was leaked no. It ain't leak. I leaked it. He got a no. I thought i was with mario. That's the fish thing. That's what i'm trying to tell you right. Like you are a writer. I so you conducted this interview awhile. The you've always had this audio right now. You're going to leak it when he's been running your name. Fuck and mud. You ain't gonna put this. On the mario monti your twitter and put it out like fucking. I'm tired of him calling me a liar. History lawyer. no. You're just gonna allegedly leak. It might get the fuck out here. That's why i don't believe this shit. I don't believe you know what i would have done. Not be he told me this man. This is stupid or not. You know what i would have done. Because here's thing it's to me. It's about the integrity yom saying like if you said hey you know we're recording this possible use blah blah. Okay whatever also if you want to use it. Whatever to track everything. I used to do that all the time and we told the people. Hey we're recording this and no it's not going to be on the podcast right so for me. It's integrity right. I can't imagine kevin doing anything that would mess up his integrity at the same time at the same time. It's joe it's weird. It's weird like you know. How else does he get out. And then on the other side of things deontay. How long has he been in the game and done interviews with all of us. He if he were to say something he knows. It's recorded like you know what i'm saying like. Why take the risk insane. Saying i didn't say this shit and then it's like yo- i know what's reported. He could leak it at any time because you know he's your human beings when he talks he. Just let's go. He doesn't So to speak What is it I only say media trained but like he's not buttoned up like that. If you ask them a question answer in the most honest where he possibly can maybe time. That's how he felt but he he might not have elaborated exactly what that meant. You know what i mean. Yeah no i feel you or guys. I'm going to be you know. Get serious now. Or i o lee didn't tell him or he did tell them and wilder s- clearly forgot it was coming back. It was only thing is if you forgot your because there's no way he didn't tell and it was the first interview right after if i recall correctly so maybe got or while you know he might have told me. Hey i'm going to record this and he didn't pay attention to that because you're right it does sound crazy to know you're being recorded and then say you say somethin' auto tune t pain remix come out with. Dj cal on on telling you i would have reached out to like copier or like reifell or somebody to be able to get them to verify what i'm saying. They can write a secondary story. That sounds stupid. But what's retail. Who for what to another respected writer. That i trust that can verify the audio verify the quotes that gets me off the hook and not go through the mud while at the same time keeping my integrity. Because i'm not releasing it too. But what do you mean verified audio leg. If you're i only you give it to copy to be like yo isn't this wildest voice. Yeah because it goes back to what you were saying like. Why did it take so long lake. Kevin's been ran through the mud. This whole time people have been seeing all this bad stuff like why all of a sudden like from that moment. If i'm kevin and i'm going to release it because again i'm not saying that kevin released it or even one of them relief on sane released. Yeah yeah no. I'm just saying i'm not. I don't know anything for certain. Obviously i have my ideas of would happen. But whatever but all i'm saying is that that's what i think you could do like listen. I'm not a big enough writer. Ever know about that situation. You know the biggest controversy i ever gotten to was with james kirkland interview and an wolf and you know back then i was so young and it and i didn't have the experience didn't handle that situation right. You know even though. I d call an for coats and stuff. I don't think it's going to be good and To have dan rae fair. These guys those guys have always shared whatever sentiments had about while they're at some point in their career and some of those relationships and this this particular point especially after the tyson fury fight. I've been damaged. That wouldn't be just meant. I understood you real met. I only given a colleague to verify it so it doesn't look as if the audio was doctored. Yeah so that way. You have somebody who can verify without. It's like judge's chambers scheepers. Yeah i got some evidence. You know what i'm saying. I heard you correctly when i'm sane twos that from the from from an i'm good. I'm speaking not fully known from the wireless that from my understanding Based on the energy that they put out that they wouldn't take it because of the relationship they have with those rights even though they are respected in san diego as if they come 'cause they're going say well you're friends with its own sawyer. Bias of so-and-so may be barbershop. Make you be anybody that they will. You know that you know what i'm saying. That's it's just verify without mass. Release you for sure for sure something that that's something that would be done. You know i'm. I'm not a. I've never made it to that. You know copy injure reifell level ever not don't so i don't know what's wrong with wa. I haven't yet but keep fighting. Y'all we got mc sam from all see boxing and he says oh. He's from the uk so i don't know we could believe this he says some. Ldc dude attacked him on twitter and called them liar and he said if the but he meant they donate to charity he will drop the evidence that's why he released it way so he did release it because i saw something online saying that. They didn't know who came from i. I'm tripping then. I believe it i really didn't i got phone conversations from a year ago two years three years ago when i really used to use that apps. Oh man i only released should You you don't have the phone conversation with him. May nobody else got a copy of that. Like unless he's going to say. I work for yahoo. Not just a dot com out there. So i have to submit audio to my editor to fact check. You know then then it's all right maybe somewhere but that's still a back door. You know what i mean. That's your audio bro. Nah i hear you and to be honest with you like you know i was talking about integrity that but at the same time the integrity that you know is being hurt every day with something if you know is true. That's being said not what i'm saying like you can only take so much so wait a minute. I don't know because all right. Here's here's my dilemma. Right so when the when the when the quote came out he said is not true. I didn't say that they twist my words. So now the quote comes back out with audio and we're to assume that it was true so which is it was the super heavy. Was it water. was it the trainer was it. The gloves was the perfect storm. Because at this point. I don't even know what the hell is going on. I i don't know what's going on for real. Yeah i mean i i. Don't i know that we got fights going on this weekend. I know that. I know situations like this You'll the thunder of your little fights thunder. Yeah and it sucks. You know what i mean. It sucks You know this isn't the burchett all does fight. But it's still a lot of meaningful fights and it's you know what i mean. It's just one of those things where it's gifted a man. That's what i'm saying. It's like you know my wanna talk about the fight. We want to talk about these audio. And whether it's true dad talk about the two men who we got a super chat. Who still want to talk about whether or not. This is real audio. He's telling as g pass. It's easy no need to argue on his just need go to go on his twitter. The threat is still up as g pass. I have no reason to lie. That you steve. We got my before. Who says it used to the. Aj perry now it's dwp protectors levin l out emoji. Yeah i mean you guys are protecting wilder now. I see people in a chat saying I can't even believe. Cyp lynn today. I see him saying i. You guys really think. The su only weighed twenty pounds. So now he's back to defend in that the suit was heavy. So that's why i'm saying i go. Is it the suit. Being heavy in his legs was gone. This the water being despite the trainer throwing the towel you know the gloves being loaded the egg. Wade's like what the which one is it. Yacht tripping yeah defendant every single. Excuse man that's like we need to stick the one man as a team. Let's stick to one. You know me either. We're going role with the soup. Being heavy. that caused our legs to go fight. Water caused our legs to go but we trip in china. Defend every single. Excuse out there. But i'm off february six and i still have not found. Anything on. mistrial is twitter so my some man you scroll up because we i. I see a lot of Mma stuff but that's about it Yeah champion let somebody can send us pictures at man is. Wow the lion is he. Caught lying is dot. Oh yeah no. He clearly got caught. You know saying something wasn't true that was it says go to tweets. Replies mario ski for goals all right list on my yeah my responding to get my responsible. Quick go i. I really have no response but what i do what i can tell you. Though is that audio and visuals of this day and they can always always be edited and dr From my standpoint doesn't really sound like a doctor audio clip. But i can't verify so I'm just gonna leave my comments reserve like that now. Not so my man. Francis is always fighter. I man i love that. That's not cooler. you. I found it to share it. It says that's not it. I'm sharing the wrong right now. i'll be back. i'll be back. I keep forgetting. I gotta always put it in bum. Ask chrome so era goes while you got it. You can totally read it. Do you can add something real quick. I just want something real quick Is it possible that whenever you pull off a heist in i mean he you know you got you from the hood. And that's you know. Multiple things gotta happen when you pull off. It just doesn't work the way you know what i'm saying. It works so. I'm just gonna need that when you pull off or is you ain't doing it alone. You definitely can't pull up a heist zone so so so at high. When they tried to rob the king you know what. What was that other king. Caesar right sousa. All hill sees. It was a lot of people that they had the trick sees of hunting. Get all shanked up in that room us right there. True trick they trick king. You need to you need to do those things from heisman. Holiday trick the king though how. They took the king what they told them. The suit was only twenty He wore that day was fifty five. That's the beauty of the week. If it any trick if you get caught you saying. They tricked him into wearing the su. I'm not saying they treat you. Yes probably than you know. What i mean. Obviously didn't do. The trick wasn't so good. So now i remember the day made a big fuss about how they both paid out of pocket for the for the ring walks remember. Oh yea all jokes aside. Let's get to the facts here So in response to Person on twitter essentially calling out the Calling kevin i doubt he presents the soundcloud and says okay here you go thank you This is in response to him saying already. Oh a shit. Damn i hate that. I can't look at everything at once. Because they let me do it because he go ahead but because he responded multiple people so i was on one hand so someone says for all the people that called kevin. I only liar as well as the likes sedan rayfield and Pug my from the atlantic about reporting wilder. Having said the costume was too heavy. Here you go from his own mouth. Then it's a a quote tweet of. I only say okay here. You go thank you. Here is the audio sound. Kyle kevin eilly which only has one re tweet and seven haunts everybody else. Took an made. Views of kevin's dan come sunday in says wilder one million trillion billion per said said his costume was too heavy. That is not remotely debatable to me. And i wanna one phone interview as well as other boxing writers as well in other interviews. Anyone who doubted us doesn't understand how media works. Okay yeah There is a lot of people saying that they are Sorry that they questioned kevin's in integrity. And so yeah. He you know he rightfully was say he still wants the original audio. It's an original. Wants to get into the delorean. He wants to be on three way. That's beyond me. That's via superjet. Go ahead joe for the longtime with one eye. He also wanna go metal with a broken thumb while the can make excuses but a real champion deal with the issues and final way to win your question if the suit was heavy. Let's say this who was heavy but the heaviness of the suit might not have played a part in why he lost the was actually heavy like flipping. Evie like forty-five pow verse anyway. Men is footage of training avesta right right training in. How long have you invest for evans. He said he trains his whole session member. He was on the so tom all access. We got to counter punch from. Cop see peace. Give me up in him. Oh man man man man listen see us. That's desert between athletes and fans. Y'all think that the man said my su was heavy. that's why i lost. No kevin. Harlan asked him. Why did you lose. He said it's very simple. My legs were gone. My legs were going not. I lost the fight because my legs were going. It's like do mitch. And his three pointers in ado. Says may three uses off tonight. He likes spend the they lost the fucking game. that's why he's threes. Didn't go in like y'all know athletes talk with you not on that level so keeps keep this fire would be. I just wanted to entertain by your fucking experts. Go in and tell us about athletes go ahead see why peel so is he can play in yet. But at the very beginning the audio. He's he's asking them basically what went wrong right. He's saying well. He told you he was gonna come forward You knew he was gonna do that. Let's play play play. Play play copying. I mean you knew that he was going to come forward and come at you He said he was gonna fight that way. You know that wasn't a deontay that we've seen for forty plus fights what do you what do you think. Did he hurt you early on that you know affected you the rest of the way because of the fact that you know mark my uniform coming out kevin was way to have things on the of the. I don't know what he's hearing that we're not. I'm a little from yet to me. That's i mean he say. I mean to not have legs would be re. It would be a reason why you don't perform the way you wanna perform fight night. And even so he owes. It hurts you to say. Oh why he didn't hurt me. My legs were gone. Like i think it's. It's a lateral move on the exact same topic. Though all right. Mario you wanna take it away and brings us to the good stuff the fight the good sir. Yes we got so a quick. No oh no you. Don't we're not done talking about this. All right see why. Lissette rather broke his hand when he fought the verne right. Where did they asked him about the fight and they say hey. Why don't you come out man. You know my hand. That's why he didn't knock him out as the still won the fight but if he lost the fight instead he goes in. You would think that he's saying he's bogus here. That's why he lost the fight. He's killing you. We broke his head. He's telling you that the suit is the reason why lost you could asked me. He's just telling you what the fuck never said. He'd love they're telling you by the way did not that. He's thinking because. I am not because despite a my hearing coming at least understand. Logic mario you know francis. It was a little distorted at some points. I didn't hear clearly clearly again. He saying that's why. I didn't get it 'cause i couldn't even follow really laws. He's saying that. And i understand the metaphor used to say that well i didn't knock them out just because of my hand. It's the same thing here. Though he the conversation was about why he law so yeah to say that the only reason he lost was because of a suit. No that's nonsense. And that's not what he said but he definitely made it apparent that part of that night and the problems were his legs being gone and one of the reasons that he attributed his legs being gone was because su so it's like circular logic emceeing capping. I mean you knew that he was going to come forward and come at you He said he was gonna fight that way. You know that wasn't a deontay that we've seen for forty seven. Plus what do you. What do you think happened. Did he hurt you early on that you know affect the rest of the way he didn't hurt me at all. It was the fact that you know my my uniform coming out. Kevin was talking the beginning of the fight over. Got a super qazis accent. Did he hurt you. And he's like no. The reason is because the suit was too heavy. So he's basically saying i looked way lake allege was gone so i i mean i think i think is the same but seems that way to me for brand maurice got super chat and he says it's been hard being a wilder fan boy for the past year. They've been forced to defend excuses and conspiracies being above fan boys less stress. I yellow. so yeah it's let's get into the weekends fights And just a no for the espn Top writes the smith last. All fight is postponed so saturdays. Espn broadcast will feature of the komi. jackson marinas fight. That's going to be. The main event moved to the call. Main event is going to be adam lopez versus jason sanchez. And the opener will be jared anderson of versus kingsley. I bet which i think was going to open anyway. So may he would have been better saying he got hit behind the back of the head. Man both knockdowns with behind the head and knocked down bay. Who i bear jerry. Denizen a wilder. we're talking about. He's the moved on. I know i know i got. I got jared anderson over kings. The i bay but as good luck tie bay man who who became a box by selling his trainer car insurance or something like that. Yeah go ahead go ahead. No no no Yeah it's a big night thing. Jared anderson and kings live kingsley. I bet if you you know are hardcore boxing. Fan and you know paid attention to The bubble fights last year. This is kind of like the seer. This is kind of like the season ending a episode for of you know the heavyweight division in the bubble in the sense that jared anderson i bed were featured on a lot of those cars. Is she before for lunch. P. p i want to get either man. You're on the real. I i gotta go in and teach classes about twenty minutes. I gotta speed this up. The listen if he would came back and one to fight in a kevin. You'll the same questions about how come you got knocked down into begin. How come this happen and he tells you may. My leg was gone from the beginning. My suit which he still wanted to fight in the same conversation. But he's telling you what happened. He's not using it as an excuse because he's used the gloves as the reason why he lost the fight not the suit like the suit. The suit arguments. Making your look like judge trying to cloud wilder instead of trying to get to the bottom of this. Everybody knows the globe is what he's saying on record as rilot fight. No discrepancy about it just to make while look back by because they may they don't but which are no more router to oh so is us v. We definitely at the bobby we the one change the audio. We release the audience. So he's mad at us. That audio came out. Oh wow wow. Wow that's why do me ain't here. He leaked it. I mean We got anything to do with. But i hear you man. Everybody's feelings hurt because no one expected while the lion like that. You know the the best excuses like auto tunes. You know what i mean. They changed the voice or something. I that's the best thing you can do. You know because fans now the sole mad they're attacking people. It's like whoa. What do we do besides report audio. Like every other outlet out there i. He said we're trolling them now. He said we're trying to make them look back. Because we're playing the audio. I i only want to hear the audio so let me get this straight he. If you play the words that you say we make you look back. I guess those were those maxim vaclav. Now he's off the carbon What is it maximum. Maximum cost of coffin. He's got covid right got cold. Jeez the maximum cocoa or that was his last name covered kodeco. I know Quick quick Quigley did max vassallo. He he he had. He got kobe. Oh i just saw the header of the press release. And i didn't i just want coma knocks out. Marinas man jackson marinez. Hell no you trip No this is a very tough fight if it was doctored footage mma doctor footage yar yo because like if you see a knockout. It didn't really happen. Is doctored footage. They say that from dwayne be. He says i thought it was. The water made his legs week. Which one is it. Because we say we're we're trying to make while look part of the wage wage wayne said it's the gloves but fury didn't hurt him. Okay logic says. Cyp emotional weirdo. The perfect ambassador for the current state of wilder fan bullies. Okay and we're talking now. I'm going with marinas ova. Gyn not counterpunch. You save nece. I told mom busy. I read ready yet. But listen this easy easy boy in this mess. Easy talk shit about me. Only because he can california of in california he don't want it to border war. You don't wanna beat up so quick. Disrespect me on a fucking youtube channel dot of telling cut out twenty twenty one. If you wanna see me a real life stopped talking bad about me every chance you get my guy you don't call in not mend up to my face. Please leave me alone. And i believe you alone. I'm calling the truce over or get out of hand. I don't want to keep the boxing So you said marinas over combing yoga. My super tap will lynch best live botching. Show i've ever seen thank you. Will i got my dina's over komai. Low power over. Sanchez anderson. Over i beth. A dominance over point over vega jot tucker over rodriguez eisley over castillo floyd over hernandez i mean went on a sides except for the main event but he gives the chance to like okay. Cool all right. Bill and i got lopez de adams. I got I got vega choice. Anti-god floyd he made. He did the dumi. Y'all week You'll make sure that your catch the under guards on plus because sh- roy is z. Making his debut That's definitely be something to watch. And then floyd a cash flow. Is he still go by cash. Flow cash is lloyd. If you remember the twenty four seven. Hbo mayweather moseley. There was a little kid That was doing pads with roger. And floyd kept saying yeah. Wish young cashflow does my little protege. I don't remember that but you do. That was floyd cash flow. Da's who grew up in the mayweather gym. He's been there since he was six years old. I think and You know he'd worked with floyd an and and roger in so Yeah he's going to be a fighting Ut turned out to be a really really good amateur and troy is lee addict was the number one ranked amateur if i'm not mistaken that my trip in ranked signing james. He's he's out. There may kamara. He's doing crazy in crazy team but as side honestly i'm giving shit. I actually think the jackson marinas is a live dog in this fight If you if you if you haven't seen a fight yeah. He has a loss In his last fight to Rowley romero you. You might remember that. scorecards. Were a bit controversial But yeah so definitely. Check it out. i guess we'll keep you updated wendy Proposed me what was supposed to be the main event Comes back and they reschedule. That but yeah. That's a good little car. That's a good little card. The next car we got josh warranty the london card on the feature with disown. Real quick real quick. Let me ask you all. Do y'all expect jared anderson to have like a really cool walkout like he's had a cool walk out the last couple of times mirror when he fought halloween he had the chucky doll and he was like he had the chucky outfit. Y'all expect something kinda cool from him. Yeah man that's new school flavor. Elliott elliott man who flavor so. I was something like that. You know what i mean. I'll be disappointed. If i'd be like he only out on the show man he's definitely. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't come out with something like implies something but anyway We can move onto the zone. I real quick tyrone. Winston just became a contender onto design. We got josh warrants in taking on mighty laura which no one cares about warrants in making his match room and zone debut. I'm going warrenton going barrett. i'm going doll. Shit don smith is back. I'm going smith on dawn smith and Yeah the rest of the dudes never heard of him. Yeah for okay. Look i get what you're saying warrington laura who cares about the match but You know you should definitely watch warrenton. He's this is a fight that he's planning on fighting before he makes The heavily weighted match with either kansas or gary russell most likely can zou So you know this is kind of like his little warm up before that. I guess what kayla plant and i mean. It's considered his last night. Kansal was like elevated he he. He's highly ranked in the division. Though nobody cared warrenton dropped his belt to unify with a with a chance and then and then he didn't. I mean he. He left his promoter to unify with a with a with a with a with a secondary chant then drops his bell to fight for nobel to then turn around and fight for about this less recognized than the one he had. Yeah well he definitely dropped his belt Which you know if the if it were true. That that the ibf. I think it was right. Ibm wasn't going to budge I would rather him rather see him. Fight cancer gary russell anyways so You know i. I don't i. Don't hold that against him. You know i. I understand the point. You made a but zelda against kiko martinez. This is definitely going to be a fight to watch it. This is his chance to You know you trump step up against the against kiko march listen. Kiko proteins is passed it one hundred percent. He's passed if a dog he's dog anybody read married though you like. It was so much hype on sell for barrett and now all of a sudden. He's fighting. Like the oldest. Do they could find row. But what are you talking about. This is what you were. Just talking about What's his name fighting sergio martinez this morning. Like this is name recognitions. That's the most name recognition ready. you like. You know that someone that someone charlotte trying to get cloud like let me pick back off and let me you back off of that. i remember. This is a big moment philadelphia better. Because i remember his when they stepped him up and took on a fighter and ryan clark. Who was a veteran fighter. Not on the level of kiko martinez by in his same age bracket and he lost. He had to rebuild himself. Fight some lower level fighters work his way up. And this is that next step to see can you. Can you jump over the fence. Because you keep getting hitched at the top you. Can you actually make it over the fence. So and kiko is not skills man. He he old but we in his day. He was doing his thing. He's battle veteran. Experience it's He's he's battled but but the young. What the chick. Corea get the boy. That's what it's all about now. Yeah i get where you're coming from. I think he martinez. He's he's he's tough right. And he's a veteran But this is a guy that zolfo berry should take care of okay. And that's what we're looking for in this fight does bear it. Continue the trajectory. Because if you go to barrett's record like kiko martinez is by far the most known name that he will have fought in Summarily this is you know. This is a great This is a great barometer for him. And i it's definitely a fight. You're gonna wanna watch and stylistically. It's a good fight to. I think it's going to be fun. All it live but yeah so we went all a sides All unlimited i. Don't i said so. I'm rolling with. I'm rolling with Warrenton lee would zelf barrett. You know what i'm saying. Even though he's he's a tough fight I got self a bird. I think he can do it this time. The second time around ruling with dalton smith. I'm a wry wit Zohar hussein you know. I'm for a points victory over Hopi which is i haven't priced and then The last two. I don't really know much about him. But based on like how they record. And how i look at it. I'm just going to pick. Johnny phillips rocket rolls dyson. Unless i'm going east side as well I think barry could stop martinez. I don't i don't i don't know if he does but i think he can. We'll see you know tina's he's beaten eat. He's one of those really tough guys Let's see so going through those cards pretty quick. That's that's cool that's cool. We're going onto the next one which is in in indio california does own Title fight between joseph joe. Da's versus and you know may francis. I watched the zone The zone press conference wanted five times to figure out how to say his first name. And i completely forgot watched it five times wanted five times to make sure that once i got your rachmat rakhimov is the last name But yeah man. I'm sorry to him. I i should have done a better job of remembering or like wrote down the pronunciation or something one. I'm most excited bible for this. By josiah. have no problem with this fire. In my opinion he had no problem he actually should look spectacular and this fight just to just to give himself even more more remind even more refresher to people that year i am the champion this division and i'm definitely looking at unify. If he comes out with a stellar performance would be amazing for him. Yeah listen I've been thinking about placing a bet on this fight. So i've been doing a little more homework on it First of joe joe. Da's is a minus two forty which is not a huge favorite rakhimov is a plus one seventy five. Which is not a huge underdog. I think you know you rog. Him off his fifteen and over twelve cao's he's got four stops a row but he's had ten stops in his last seven fights the only ring coming up with him is he hasn't fought since september. Twenty ninth two thousand. Nineteen was the last time he fought Which is a long time. Which joe joe dias. Who's a former two thousand twelve olympia. Twenty eight years old Fought last january thirtieth twenty twenty and we all remember that fight against farmer in the press. Conference joe. Dias did say that he enjoyed the time off. So i don't think this is like a thing about rust or or. I don't think i think he needed that. Time off From what he said. I think he just had a birth of birthday new kid too so I think we're gonna see a rejuvenated. I think he is going to be you know at his best. But there's just a lot of things about this first of all rockoff is south pole. That's first of all second of all. He stands on the tall side of this division at five. Eight and a half. Now unless you're a freak like albert bell in the division who makes You know junior lightweight and and he's six feet tall You know you don't find a lot of guys taller than five eight Pajot's five six. So he's on the shorter side because mostly guys You know the shortest guys are like five five six in the division So you know there's just like a little aspects of this fight. I watched a couple of roth's fights on youtube and You know he's there. He can get hit. He can be hit. You know can be hit He's there to be hit but he his game is very fluid you know. He throws punches very well. The way he puts them together He's got a lot of You know good head movement on he. He's just he he's a. He's a fun fighter. I think this is going to be a fun. Fight at the end but I'm still gonna pick. Joe joe dias official pick but if we do have a betting show tomorrow i might have You know small parlay or something If if it's against the super channel mad bet who says the whole prom somehow gets shot at the winner with the us versus russia. The russian russian dude. Listen man he's he is. If i'm not mistaken this is his debut never fought in the. Us is in russia. And in south. america. I mean south africa. If i'm not mistaken joso better wash this. Do man who'd you talking about it. You said he hit like that to georgia. Better walk through. Us debuts first time fighting a come on man come home and going through lax. you're going to be looking around here in california whether it should be easy night for joel d as would you think this man joe joe better get the when he just got that belt. It'd be sad lose it on your next fight out. I'm saying just looking impressive. Though get into win is cool but looking impressive to give it even a better you know mean for the as important. You always wanna look good. But i mean this it is the unknown. We never you know. We don't know this dude zuzana. Now i listened the guys. I saw him fight on. Youtube are fighters that i don't know who they were you know and some of them had you know fights one maybe two with guys that we know but barely any of them had any sort of resume from what i saw again is. Maybe two or three fights i saw. I saw two full fights. And i saw like highlights of a third. It was weird the way you too member. You don't mean gez. He must be dominican. Became a member. let me see what he became. You're you literally years contender to pronounce your name. We're gonna go with dominguez is a contender reality reality you. Ubs is you know. mingas danielle's aiming it. I i've heard that name before. But it a real real nudie new nudie nudie nudie whatever what francis me though the next fight is the one that i'm really looking forward to man. Mr now was born waiting for that fight. You're and go man. That's every tiny every time you said i get a little sad man but anyways go back to the one that i'm talking about though i said that i didn't hit it. Hit us. stainless is postponed. Like glavas. definitely definitely. We still trying to work people. But in the meantime though listen this fireeye hair settles. Undisputed won't fifty four and i think this year is year we're gonna get a lotta undisputed hopefully we. I scooted divisions know fighters into divisions fifty four one. Sixty eight one forty seven. You know what i mean. What what one thirty five forty mean heavy weight. Whatever division like we can get on this. This is seems like this is the year where we're going to get it. What do you think about it. Because if texture beats cassiano or vice versa that's detrimental charl in undisputed about. Yes they can make that fight. Definitely the only i mean it all depends where those dudes four textures go. The moy and castellano. I mean where is he he. He was just a bogus. Jussie all know. Vegas has Brian costano at a minus. Four hundred. which is a fairly healthy favorite Patrick shares coming in plus two seventy five. So he is the underdog in the spotlight to share. Yeah that's a betting show might be a betty show tomorrow. Might be worth it. That's a big favor but I think I think that's gonna be a really good fight. I know nessin. I spoke about it. You know it neither of a move the needle like the sexiest of names especially in a division where you have a lot of guys who've made a name for themselves play at the end of the day. It's a competitive fight. I think it will be But yeah it's gonna be get undisputed. I mean if they win. India wanted wins. What is he both get an opportunity that at undisputed title. It's not like you know what i'm saying. It's just your loan. The other fight gets an opportunity to the opponent. So i mean that's the biggest fight to make money for for the both promotional teams management. Teams both fighters. You know what. I mean venues. The whole thing should go down now definitely champ. I agree. I just. I mean you know back. Seen we've been watching too long to know that the fights that should up and don't always happen So but i agree it should happen. It's very simple math. You know all the belts would be on the line But yeah it's It's it should be a good fight is again. Remember for to share his. Wbo junior middleweight. Title and The other fight on the cards are really good. I think a ronny rios versus oscar neglect Both of these guys were victims to Yeah i'm yes. I i'm gonna pick rio says. Well i think that I think he he shown more oscar neglect the he. You know he i think they have. Ray vargas as a similar opponent. Right and -rageous pretty much trashed at the Shut him out almost in real at least a little more competitive so they do have That fight comment. But yeah i'm picky. Ronnie real says well yours. Jared stopped by. Ib good question. Oh yeah for sure. You playing games with dr man. Nest wanted to the beginning and talk about the right now. Look remember sam. Jones came on the show yesterday talking. Ed shit that that i that was going to test or wasn't going to be easy for jared less. See less easy for you knoxville. Nobody for our bev. The where it was supposed to man. jared going body the body and destroyed a brain in the head. Watch was it. That i beat that we thought he was gonna lose Guido but he didn't know them he that's it was wasn't it a bloody war to that he played. Yeah they didn't they. I don't remember what happened to be honest. I remember he lost but damn daily spinoza said guys beat spence easily. Mark my words. That's the easy way to get yourself a filo right. Say yeah no shit but we also have Was supposed to be shane. Mosely junior versus jason quigley which was a fight that i really really liked instead. We're getting shane. Mosley junior against christian oli vaas a us. He just fought Back in january twenty Yeah it was january twenty second of this year. He fought Rafael were so. He's coming back in three weeks. Who he's coming back in three weeks of this kid christian olias leave us criminal fighting. Shame moseley junior stepping in for jason. Quigley who did get covid During the press conference shame mosey juniors said. He does want that fight. Still with jason quigley and You know that's a fight that would it was a good name. It would have been a good name. If mostly that win. It would have been a good name on his resume at this point. His career But christian oli steps up. He's twenty nine years old from mexico Orthodox fighter stands six foot tall. Which is i believe. I'll tall shane. Mosely junior is change. Six one g moves junior. God damn i got nineteen million views in one year holy smokes. Whoa that's crazy but yeah so I'm going with shane against the late. Replacement seems and by the way this is for a vacant. Wbo n. b. o. middleweight title. Call him step up. Call him step digital god long regional. Strat he going for regional. Strive i'll see you all right and then by the way Kovalevsky opponent who is supposed to be the six and oh Mela kuziyev mukusyev is say right He is on this card He was supposed to fight two weeks ago. Whatever it was and then kovolev tested positive for synthetic testosterone or some sort of pd and melancholia is gonna fight morgan fitch. Who's a late minute Last minute are not a last minute replacement. They had it but they're still pending approval. It looks like for boxer. Has it up and so does that other site. Then you found sa forgot what it's called but anyway Yeah those are the fights Also on the card as well so you know it's it's a nice little car it's some good fights Some unknowns i think in terms of what rock can do. And what. Joe joe dias guy but we'll see in those cap off our weekend fights although i did put the show box on their Connecticut with my man. John gelin jellison. Whatever the hell his name jalen signed figured figueroa donelson crazy man. Yeah he's sixteen in oak with eleven cao's he's from detroit michigan born and raised twenty two years old so he's a young kid in the welterweight division and he's fighting the undefeated back to the y. Is gotta go back to the wild. I'm giving hit up. I was just. I was just an eight like oh man like somebody really didn't see the sarcasm in the whole patient. No those are just people looking for a fight. No somebody really just hit me up like that's crazy you know. What the fuck are you talking now. That was the very first interview while the gave to yahoo sports after the fight where he said the suit was too heavy. Now you making like it wasn't him. I heard audio eleven months ago. Man what the fuck. I swear yo you guys need to stop right da. You didn't know that was a joe. That was like joking jokey joke. I knew he was joking. The t pain like you said at one point you said okay but let's get serious for a second and they started audio man. That's all right champ. I got the job in over my head not or no but anyway. Yes so also One other tidbit bit that we can throw in there. The callers want to touch on is the athletic. My second as low. There's lopez stop sanchez. Lopez adam lopez. I'll know about stop man. But but but lopez with his work rate edu. Good man when he ain't fi in vowed he'd looking good on other people so he's still of but i would take him by by you know lopez you know. I don't know about stoppage though but definitely lopez. Yeah going how. It's tough man. It's tough jason. Inches has never been stopped from what i can remember me. I know he lost a christopher diaz in a unanimous decision and then of course he lost to a ball dez but ono. I don't know if he stops them. Champ but we do. We should talk about a carpenter. Dropped an article on the athletic Where he says that tlc mo- whose minimum got increased to one point. Two five million after the win against luma shaneco Well david mc waters and the fema side can't come to terms with top side and There was some pretty crazy quotes that were given in the story I don't know. I mean i i think i think i should just go through them. Real quick if y'all are coup at that because it's pretty revealing stuff But basically what's going on is february eighteenth. The f is going to order the purse bid. You'll fema lopez and jorge cham bozos and Right now it doesn't look like they're going to be it pointing at heading to bit. Because like i said the Fema fema sidon top ringside can't come to terms so that opens it up for eddie hearn in match room to come and make an offer I mean even l. heyman and pvc can make an offer zone can make an offer anybody can make an offer to get this fight But when they talk to bob arum this is what he said. This is what he told the athletic. He said there's no animosity we evaluate. How much fight is worth. And we determined that and tried to close the deal at the price point if a fight is extremely valuable to espn. We will be changed our position and offer a little bit more if a fight is just a fight and the asking price is appreciably more than what we're able to pay we just pass and let someone else do it. That's the only way you keep from going out of business. You can't keep chasing. Those are huge words. He's basically saying this is just a fight now in response to this him bob. Arum the promoter. Say this is just a fight. David mc waters came back and gave his own quotes. He said they had between october. Eighteenth and february six to schedule a big fight for him and get out of the purse bid make water the boxing writers association's twenty twenty manager of the year told the athletic. They could have got an exception with the. Ibm for this fight. When they said it's a shit fight or anything like that. They could have made a different fight and chose not to. We would have liked to have fought somebody else. They never made a good faith order. What am i supposed to do. All i've done is rejected the offer. Which is the minimum. If you line up a thousand idiots off the street and say you're going to get a job. Do you want minimum wage. All thousand ask for more. Your loved that analogy is absolutely right and this is exactly what we have been saying about top rank. They put themselves in a position where they try to like build these massive fights right and then in between they get these rights. I it's like the stars expect to get paid. I mean fema did what he had to do you know he did what bob didn't think he could do. And now he wants to get paid. Accordingly in. And i understand that and for bob to come out and say this is justified and act nonchalant. It really gives off the vibe that he had with crawford crawford is you know fighter making you go. Broke deal females in justify. I mean. it's like bro. What is going on with this man like does he wanna do. I just loved the make waters. Said if they don't want them they'll go to another network. That's all take your phone belts and be gone because playing games. Yes absolutely he said that and He also implied that. Espn you know they're they. They don't wanna lose you. What i'm saying that he thinks that. Espn could put a little bit of a squeeze on them possibly but he said basically bob's the one that answers espn we don't we would have loved to work with the espn but you know again. He's in a situation where he's not getting what he needs to get. He's not getting what he feels he should get and again. He's right you you know you say oh well we don't wanna pay because this is just the fight will then make that big fight. Here's what i'm saying like. Why aren't we seeing haney. Then if this is justified. Yup yup yup yup yup and then he comes back to now. We're sorry go ahead. that's my man. He behind on the show. He's still sending shit like now. Mario talking about verify the audio with the that's hilarious though cisco's trees trip and Looking for definitely the. It's it's crazy to see that female. After climbing the mountain. Some would say mount kilimanjaro. He has to now negotiate to get what he deserves. After he had to negotiate the first time he proved that he's worth it and he has goshi it again. That's what we're talking about. Man you going around saying you know was mandatory. You know five million is five and up. Five and up was who now with opera. Hang to what you talking about. What are you talking about. And that's what everybody kind of say but anyways that's no hitter there. Let's go way so we don't talk about all these fights. The teal teal thing is crazy to me man. I'm just like oh now. Now it's two people i was it was crawford. Now it's it's also te'o neither one of these guys are valuable to bob. He's crazy he's he needs to do something before he loses these these fighters men and burns future relationships right because other fighters are seeing this right like Regis pro gray was having a conversation on twitter with carpenter about this right. 'cause he's like yo. I'm with this exact issue. Yeah he's like yo i'm with. Ceo like he should get more than one point five for his mandatory like he beat the may be he got older belts. And it's like it's one point two five one point zubaydah offering them the minimum of contract. Meanwhile you know other guys get the maximum to fi- no name do so. I don't know it would be It would be very strange to see this. Fight ended up on his own. What i to me. It's a not an embarrassment but it's definitely reflects poorly on. Espn not not because they caused a bit like you gotta understand when espn does nba. Like they don't get the bottom of the bread they get you know the biggest nba. Lebron plays on espn. Have football games on monday night. Tom brady plays on. Espn so when you want to be the mecca of sports broadcasting and you broadcast boxing. You expect to have the best in boxing. You know what i mean and crawford and that's deal fema lopez and you know for them to be put in a situation where those two fighters might not fight. You might be fighting another networks this year About look or it don't wanna pay ford. Of course there's a bad look tobacco. Look if you know what i'm saying. Somebody has got to bring the money in that ended. They were they were kind of Relying heavily on cambosix and australia coming through with a ten million. You know what. I mean that would make it easy. Fight right but not. That's out the window. They gotta kinda find the venue and they gotta find the They gotta find a venue and they've got find that the the opponent for the network to do it. You know what. I'm saying. You got going to do it inside the bubble the not gonna make a lot of money because they can't have fans so what they're gonna do exactly what they're going to australia. They were hoping to have fans in the stadium out there because it would have been opened up a little bit. That's done you know. But the truth is while it's fun to think about in a us just saw annemarie put That bill haney put an offer under devastating promotions. While it's fun to think about it being on fox or showtime or something like that you know. I think eddie comes through with this. One amaze prides chomping at the bit for You know to To put himself in the situation to deal closely with the ofi fema junior and senior year. It probably at the very least makes it easier but better in terms of dealing that haney fight later on so You know there. There's some reason to kind of root for his side a little bit in this. I think only because of that But look at the end of the day of coffee more ends up going another it saying another we're network you know there's plenty of other fights out there so we'll see. Oh yeah stretch it out. The ad says it out another church. You feel right now. Your boxing is a beautiful thing. Man boxing is a beautiful thing. It's an exercise. It's sad and it's a beautiful thing. Because i'm going to say it again. Man i it before. It's tough to see these fighters do all they gotta do. Say what they say it comes down to whether or not the promoters can provide them the opportunity to make the payday that they're proved that they're worthy of unisem saying they can't do it on their own and say why can't you do it on his own. While it's not at the time top-ranked gonna do form. Top rain will give five and ten million if a man tense crawford who is due to and getting it get it word but anyway. Those are the notes topics of broke down. All the fights did good guys. I'm proud of us. You know we didn't get hung up on any card although we did go back to wilder about seven or eight times but all good. The only wall subscribe to youtube dot com slash boxing voice for the latest and greatest interviews with your favourite fighters. Remember to raters. Five stars on itunes. These calls are brought to you by el camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation visit us at el camino electrical services dot com All righty then. Let's get to this. Super-charged chaff from andrei dakota by keeping the cash in the family and twenty twenty one and not taking risks during covid if live nation not doing events. He is not spending the money he told omar who is live nation. That's who does concert they concert. That's where you know what i'm saying to do. It's live nation and What's the other one That pit bull went to forgot but Yeah they put on all the big concerts. 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Where suspense trying to get my real estate agent involved in he lives in florida. So i'll be right next. Door doesn't wanna call. Why are you taking advantage of his casual friends. He said that he only said this. Because this was right after the fight so basically he's saying it took tom to realize he got cheated. So at first like oh it was the soup and didn't know it was the glove so then you're admitting that he made an excuse. Well it's like this. It's like you knew your legs didn't fill there so you try to light. Look for what kind of reasons there could be where it could have been the suit and then later you say to yourself will wait a minute. I had some i had. I had somebody that was with the ops close by so now's the water. You know what i'm saying. So it's like it's like. He has the the the symptom but he needs the cause. That makes sense i guess. azure next on a call list. Man as he was gotta have the law. Talk talk is lady is on fire law man. He dropped off. 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Laura in terms of skills and staying away right like you mean. Like the on a boxer. Yeah yeah okay. So you think you think they're on the same level. Well obviously one is younger than the other and the other one's almost out while the other one's still in you know obviously billy's fresher taller. Probably got snappy. Jad to laura was the better athlete. I don't know about that man. Laura was pretty now so from my point to you is is see how things can get taken out of context like you made a statement so no one can say. Take the little soundbite that you would do said and consider you know what nice the headline less from tv. Saying that joel is just as good as laura or better than you know they could use whatever you say we could cut out just that little bit of what you said and use it for a headline so you so you walk while you're saying what you san his doctor nonsense says dr. What i'm saying. News is you can take a piece of what someone says without hearing everything that he said. So you make headlines you say that. There's there's this conversation there that we don't know the gives us more clarity and is going to explain in some weird way that the suit was not heavy the fact that you would say that lower most intelligent documents would laugh at the fact that you would say that laura and do on the same level so in this instance hills saying that the suit was heavy and his legs were gone. He wasn't necessarily saying that that caused them to lose. He was just making a comment football. Nobody was listen. Don't nobody care or no. Ain't nobody saying he said the sue caused them to lose. The audio is just proven that he lied about that. He said you heard what he said. Okay said he didn't say that okay wire saying that he's lying. Listen what what's taboo listening. Listen listen listen to audio media tanja words and biggest the sounds like one guy Oh Guy by name of kevin. Io's twisted all around until am my trying to on his answer. By the time. I it sound better way. Am i people telling me you don't seem to be doing that. Road people call us up that angel quote it sound better way and then you feed into people. Yeah so wh- what. Arriving headline sham that that caused him to lose your. There's you're gonna get all the facts you're not getting. The facts only knew the headline. And that's not really said. And that's what he's telling you now telling you about what what. What's the headline steve. Don't just say. I only made one tell us what was the headline long. So so so. That's what i only said that's what you're saying. Deontay wilder says is sport. Yes y'all who sports that's what foreign to. That was the hard line. That's the bait. And what are you hearing here. What is what is this that you're hearing here. What is he saying here. Saw what he's saying is he took what he saw and made it into a headline in this whole thing that he didn't really say just like you do it. That's with billy joel. Laurel usually always continue said so so. Hold on a minute so says here. The headline from yahoo sports says the while the says forty pound costume left his legs dead. What what what. What is he lying about what he changed that. I don't say listen. We i've given you a lot of extra time. I'm i'm reading and now screen sharing. I always articles shit. I gotta fucking put it on chrome. If i don't start remembering this. But i'll be screen sharing on chrome right now. Would i always picture with his headline from his website. Says yahoo everything there. The headline says the wild goose forty pound costume left his legs dead in a seven round. Tko loss to tyson fury. He's not saying that the costume caused them to be knocked out in the seven. He saying that while the said the costume left his legs dead in in the where he was stopped in the seventh round. Where is the live exactly. Exactly know exactly if if you look at the headlines it implies that's what they do man i what what. How did yours go saying. What is what is it implying. No you don't wanna debate because it's imploring. The suit made him lose and that's not what he said. I don't see it is it is. It wouldn't watterson implying to watered and say that's why he lost. But there's implication there so it's like either saying that it was this one in why he lost. It's crazy man like yacht cannot like bro. Oh my goodness oh my good. I don't know what is the truth. All i know is that steve is out of control. There's nothing here like. That's that's you know what i'm saying. That's what you're hearing right. So now i mean that's that's the headline. Here's the audio capping. I mean you knew that he was going to come forward and come at you He said he was gonna fight that way. You know that wasn't a deontay that we've seen for forty seven. Plus what what do you think happened. Did he hurt you early on that affect the rest of the way. It didn't hurt me at all. Some uniform coming out. Kevin was the way to the other half of the flight. So why are they unhappy. He called it the costume and not the uniform. I mean i don't understand. My steve is wild. And you guys got because essentially is did he. Did he hurt you like nano. He didn't hurt me There with these factors these extenuating factors. One of which was a costume took my legs away. You know. I feel like that's what's being reported. And you know i don't see so. So water says in their own distorted my words or he twisted them up or whatever whatever phrase he used I don't see that yet. I still don't see where the mix up is like. Maybe is there a mix up between how some wilder fanatic haters took it and ran with it into this like crazy level. Yes and i feel like that's the backlash it's coming at us right now. Is that all the people that used it as a joke. But this isn't a bellwether weather. There's about what he said said about him. It is a joke to certain people because for a year he said it wasn't this isn't what he said in the media twisted his lies or learn so like. What do you expect to come from this man. Scholar talk to us people. Just so obsessed crazy. You guys are invested doing that chant. What up meant so You told my negative press man with charm and charles not getting no negative president he. He's physically what they did to him. In that fight he would be overly fighters if he would've other chance to and he's not getting no property he has. The scene built that That many popular and you want to do at and Nobody's been fighting him. He's getting nothing but negative fresh bowl from america in in your experience but nobody's fighting him They took the patty took bill. They pulled him a champion. We says he wants to fight. I don't see what guys wanna fight. This guy's in wine explained to me if he wants to fight. Why is it that he hasn't fought in like. I don't know how many is to two thousand seventeen november. Two thousand fourteen makes the contracts. He makes a contract. There's geysers country they wanna play by your only fee right. He use that name on his resume. They don't wanna fight him but he eighty fighting bro. He hasn't fought since two thousand. Okay why fighting. Because why because i like when he was thinking about putting more energy before he got knocked by the oh he's not popular but they want any picks up is the last time he fought. Why is he not fighting because nobody wants to. I don't know why. But he got black mobile. he's a black for all. These other guys are seeing declassified. Is they're getting to fight. Derek jeter was fighting. He's losing and he's getting still wanna use them and use them and then this guy he could. We have all the skills he's lebanese and they don't wanna put him there he marketable but they don't want what was happening is is not is not right man and he to kick out ahead at one. Twenty six you donate. There's a lotta does not include here. Okay okay because i respect that. Look whether he's the fall passing through the first time right. That was a long count. He knocked a man up okay so if he was so scared of tyson to why signed we met he did do rematch. He folk good Tyson fury came in and may maybe he he did they. He did a lot in the press. Press press pressures and all that He fought the fight the costume. Maybe it was heavy man maybe the customers heavy there's during the benefit about he fought the guy at the department that fight that he got all these monkeys getting the he is because they to he twin tower the guy he was still combative fighting he was landing shot to the ambush. That's tko he didn't he didn't get knocked out. That's a tko. Okay so he. He didn't get knocked out. He was a tko then they start to the tau told him not to talk towel that he wants to fight. He wants one she would give him the benefit of the doubt man. He should have got this year. That's all the other crappy twisting media. They are they are twisting media This guy The want to to that doesn't want to fight with him. Is tyson fury. Both as if you don't wanna give him with their fight at the entity tyson foods in. Aj whiskey everybody said that always the he didn't wanna make the fight from other people that he never wanted to make the fight with where they were of. That's four that's bullshit. They schiller's agent had the ones when when he was undefeated. Nobody wanted to fight this guy he he. He fought a giant. he forced out he he was. He was trying to go on his shoe and he wanted to fight saying well he got it through scanning their Beat a couple of rank fighters contenders and beyond cam. Champion again man. He's the people's champion even today he to the people's champion but i have known for a while. The we we. We shouldn't have abandoned him like all these other guys doing And continue to give them support because he's our champion and he represents us you know so. I'm happy that you're doing a career step for him and chinese-style maturity. I want to see john. T wilder and trauma that will give for him. You have a great day thank you okay. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Have a good night be saved morning. Absolutely i agree with them. Suleiman king offer me. I'm still waiting on the autopsy though right so more fast. Wait autopsy like more seats. What's up saying it wasn't the su it wasn't you know and again i believe i believe it could be the egg weights may still. You gotta stick to one thing if you're gonna make an excuse. I'm not wondering making stoops's but you gotta stick to one thing that mean i mean i mean not before a second i am. I'm a few people might feel like you made a few excuses with the to board awards pullouts man so i gotta go. No no no no no no. I'm you know that's cool. that's cool. That's cool because his. And i want us to know let the people know not i do not. I got some time to talk. I never i. I never aspired to be. I never spied to iraq or professional fighter. Although i enjoy them both to if i don't make time i respect somebody that got the the diligence to do it more than me. So i'll i'll have an issue speaking on that s cool. That's cool in the gang. Let's time just pulled out of mind. So that's why i'm asking. You know not cool in a game that means shit to me but just don't cut it to three minute that's all. So yeah we back on track. Everybody you keep good. We bet okay so now. I'm not wanna make excuses. But if you're gonna do it to want because that's like if it's if he ripped the here 'cause it's no padding and a glove if somebody put something in your water whatever it is that's what it's gotta be. But if he he's all over the place man and like. I say it's not even hate is just you know if you wanna say something stick to it. He walk down to the fight. Which you and you said they jumped you. It turns out they didn't jumped. Shot the fairweather. You law so you know what i'm saying. I know i might fight with you and then rough you when we get back in the car because you plan me but it's still some bullshit. I call bullshit man. i'm woman But you'll get more time because of the situation now back on my instagram. this is a song. I'm praising the brother eye after -tunities. I get it litigation. I see somebody to challenge miss. Nothing the cat brotherhood was in checkup. Chill he's arbitration. Listen man. I respect that. But the onus is on him as a fighter he got he's gotta choose. It's not on me. it's on me. It's a fancy demand. I'm paid eighty dollars on pay per view. I'm pay whatever it is. That's why i'm demanding any fight somebody at some point. Give me the autopsy one or the other you meet autopsy calmer sellers and having autopsy man. I smoke all the time so he. He's at autopsy. we going out to john mcqueen's man here making some job man as do as the good brother. A straight quest try to make you got his sources and you always is true. He pulled out too so it was like a straight question. Everybody wants to know what i i pulled out. One i'm getting flagged for the one. I'm pulling out of so like what's the hell no but you're going to get more more flat than him because like you actually know because you actually went you went to to board awards doering covy en- now saying you can't go cuza cova so and it's so funny really hard for like see i'm a sane person. I understand what you're saying like they. They've they've added more restrictions. But like a regular person's woman i o. He took him because he came twice already. Exactly let's see if they were even keeping up as it is so much variance out there right now. That people are getting even more. Like i'm saying tight with the whole moving around with all the variants of of covert wanted to. You could just stay a little bit more but you know instead of just going if i hear you but sometimes it all the time and they go away from the kids all the time and you wanna live. This lifestyle never swung the hook. Never pair might have on new he rough around the edges league up. Never never did the pack gal. You want go. Rhino work says egg weights in the costume with spiked water laced. In the mass. He gonna rise like a phoenix. Kayode again right right what. Alex in dallas guy was going on my how you doing was doing good. And what not my listening to this show. And and i don't know what to think about while demand while there is just coming after skills going back to the very first excuse. I think he's a sub the who love you and the man then he's just so crazy movie my radio. He fired his coach. I think he's coach is the only reason why he's still not famous. In my opinion. I don't think he's finished but that that the reason why he's not screaming this is because the five will stop by his former cornermen and you know but i don't think he's finished. You know thanks to that. I think he can come back and still give good fights out there. I think he can beat tyson fury. He already loves sixteen eighteen rounds against so. I don't know about that you know. He's the one that needs to make adjustments. I don't know on this point in his career. He can make those adjustments. You know the way he's five. You know I'll give giving my better chance again. I guess joshua. But that doesn't mean that i got him bidding him to you. Know it's just that right hand he's showstopper and you can always always consider the big punch but from that to say that he will be this to champion. I don't know man. I just really don't know because he just looked around to. He's when he's the other fibers also lose a lot wrong. you know. He just got that showstopper that he always end up delivering it. You know he and everything goes back to him. And also i you know. I think it's not down. But i don't see him beating Tyson fearing tyson fury on a third fight. Now not right away. Maybe if he goes by and and have some lanes and gain some company them because by by the way he's acting you can tell that his comfy then it's not where he used to and that's the most important thing in my opinion so i know what you think it's beyond me it's beyond me it is man you know I think that the original wide needs to happen and see what happens there. He needs to go and face. Somebody somebody that that but we'll helping to fight whoever the winner you know because you know he wants to fight this guy for golly. I forgot his name. I've never getting heavy alex. That was your tongue but then what a lack well. It seemed like sleeping over there. Yeah we got man is year man you that may eight zero was looking for a did you see the. Did you guys see that you know the whole screen. Movie goes to one the to mario. Our view was here for that. But i started to say like you know. I think the back call was captain for stainless. How thought francis was going stop. Stainless now all of a sudden they fight got cancelled Member did that show. And i'm like. Oh i don't know why the back called infrastructure this. I seen a heavy bag footage. You know what i mean. Anybody that look at that footage and so he could be francis they fucking lying and then all of a sudden fight cancer now. They ru infant guy a mile. You know that whole thing. I must say how much they paid you to stay home. But he got the bat called mag very at the very least because like you helped us out tremendously with production and direction you know. So you're gonna take this check. Did they give stainless and just like spend it on yourself. Then i'm going to somewhere hot and you know what i'm saying. Avoid somewhere hot. Have a good way the white house that water it now. You've reminded war house montaigne. I've been at the beach. The last two days in a row to even outfielder live life lifestyle like after the show. I'm chilling in the sand. Just like sleep in my yo. I look like a lop stop really burnt my stomach domino. No bullshit i. I stood in the sun too long. But those are the those are those are the floridian problems you fill the year when you fly now. Contact me if you're looking for a spot. In florida. i became a real estate agent. I work for teams that you getting me real estate in his spare bedroom in office when you out phrases super chat for you they said. What's your post fight meal after the fight. The one like you know what you know what i dub stuff oriole baby. The gas to go more real. Y'all let me tell ya you gotta know about this because this is only a down south thing so i wouldn't know the go. Now he from the south one of the tijuana flats this cookie dough. Da cookie dough flout. I don't know what that is. Your lost me on that one off man. Yeah lake eight hundred calories chip you see what i posted in. The boorda was a gym also week. Today's friday thursday so almost a week. I'm in game one panel cookie dough. Flout the shot out the tijuana flats. We going out info. Joe in callie. In an i mean how big is the real quick. How big is the garage my garage. Yes car okay. Now i'm saying you might do. I'm saying park on our side. So i am. I had to sleep in the garage. You know what. I'm saying that that showed that workout. I i got them both in In the job that. I don't park it in the garage. I use the garage. Let's go to info info for what he's doing the infants porcello. Joe we call by off yoyo. Y'all what's up my box and brothers. What are joe praying mantis. Nez morio money monk gear building. What's in the whole be family was cracking. Y'all chilling a man. We got good fights this weekend. Man shot out to the boxing. God's before i get to the topics that you posted put me down for komai I don't think he's done Gimme burchill Birth over dares. Hey morio from what i got like. Twenty four seven man like they got a rival out of the two states in In mexico where they both from right yup beautiful beautiful beautiful. That's going to be. I think they're fighting still show man. I'm not sleeping on bow. Dez at the is going to be a firefight Force josh warrenton. Zeal for joseph. Da's adam lopez and Gimme patrick till steer. I think that's going to be the second fight. That's still show Joe smith council right. Yes you postponed. Yeah Sat on good to galaxy. Everybody on the picking and lee. Y'all far as the wildest subject man. I like wilder. I was going picking if he had the third theory. Fight but Excuses are my name is built on nothing man we all take ills in life is bouncing back from that aol. That's what it's all about. I think one excuse too many men they are it is gonna keep it funky. They are excuses man. Until i don't wanna hear no more about this subject man until he's taking somebody to court in the whole Las vegas athletic commission. Ov- all of this. You know what. I'm saying. If not i want to see him back winning i still go right. Woody and i i will pick him again against theory fight again. You know. y'all call me crazy. If you wall. I still think he got his shot thinking any done but just quit with all talk about why this having why that happened man you take the ale and you keep on moving back come back stronger keeping it real That's all. I got gentlemen looking forward to border. Wars nessim getting my michael buffer all. And i'm practicing. I'm getting ready That's about it. Family shot out to the box. Guys right now is back to witness the best anyways. Yeah shot info. Joe shutout you man. I plan so mad tight. But yo all steve counterparts. Let's get these kind of punchy been waiting. Oh damn yeah steve. How to counterpunch. What you playing joe's intro for your play. As far as joe. He's in court. He's in cornell what he wants them to do but anyways i wanna go back to what you know. Sometimes you gotta hear yourself pop man. Where did you say with francis when francis said he pulled out of borders. And you said you understand it with the people won't understand it like you can't see that that's what's happening here and you gotta come out and say that he's lying. He's not lying. Like i think it's disrespectful your title. You're saying that he lied. He didn't lie and i proved it to now. You're saying i'm crazy proved to me that i'm crazy. How did he know why he said that. The guy took it out of context. Judy knew what he said before. What he you played. And what after what you played. He put out there a clip part of a conversation. We don't know the whole conversation. Yeah he said that he felt a little bit Dia with the costume. But that doesn't mean that. Could that could start at one point or another. We just have to stop you know now. You want more audio released i. It was released the audio if he said he first. They said he didn't say it. Now it's he said it but it's out of context like don't you see what's going on man. Aren't you ashamed of yourself and everything that you have to say the the hoops of fire that you're being forced to jump through like you guys are crazy man. This is what i'm saying. They call me bias. They call me bias. I would be sounding like you if i were bias. This is what i mean. It's insane you guys got to stop man. No one should be that much of a fan like we have to know right from wrong. You know we got two guys. We gotta know like what it is that we're seeing and hearing and listening to you know so i don't know but we got a super dumi asked you now me your fav- nail polish francis right. Yeah yeah weird man. So where do agreed. Nail polish trumpet. We got legs man. We definitely got Every gate church in the building. Y'all don't know you know. I was going on church. What up. what up. man. I seems out the big office. Now congratulations chad. Thank you may get you on the beach. Line out here you really duct the snow man. Oh i was on the beach right now. I got i got burnt up like a little lobster. Be so good man you living life. That's what you want. Your dream came true. They go come with speaker a believer receive young man. So i want to ask this one question while the. I'm mike that fight not fight fan saying that arrive. Would somebody said you'll you buy what you people. Maybe it was the back channel. They riding stadium. Stay stainless regardless. I got a ride with the. I'll tell wild regardless that's the guy pick all the time. So is he giving a lot of excuses absolutely but you know i'm not buying them. Well i bet on him for the next fight absolutely s i will As far as that rich coal maize fighting jackson. The dude that rowley. Am i wrong right. Yeah has let's go fight to good ask why. That's a good as fight. So that's my interest in this weekend. And i learned that from the box voice prepo channel that nobody really got access to me. So i'm kinda privileged group chat like no come on his show unless the green room for team minutes prior and i'll get at eight fifty nine but Y'all so that's really a. I'm enjoying the show watching spelling jumping in So let show proceed. Michelle out to remind info joe. Why haven't heard from a long long time. Shutouts your fly ash. Hoodie lies hoodie. You thank you say yoenis box. That was That was Casu- exclusive right there. It was it is still available. Is vintage is twenty. Twenty you know. Why don't buy anything from boxing. Fan of pablo detect. Never netto your man to me no. I'm i'm dropping a fucking star review on the better business bureau on your asses over. I'm done cool. I've been wearing for years to get a two for forty. Mario got two sets. It does and i still waiting and we lived in like fucking county man. Your man do me got you. I gave him a shirt for you. I say yoda's shirt he never gave it to you. Brian brother brother. You sound sav right now bra. I sound good. I'm not talking about the brother. He i'm falling smear campaign so now they're saying wow the voice yacht shit yo yo go too. Far man. Go into four. I got at one point. You gotta let that shovel go because the dirt is starting to fall on your head. Now they let the shovel go. You can't keep digging you. So deep in the hole you throw the dirt outdoors fallen right back on your head. They got tripping on. Oh bro so they saying that. Like what would what. What would you remember about the suit welded. What's what's your recollection of that. When you think of what comes to mind. I remember it being very detailed high. And it was like the most elegant The most technically sue. I have ever seen. He said his doctor. Arto holy shit yo. You jumped off the bridge. He jumped off the bridge where you say this is what i'm saying see people. This is what i'm saying is shouldn't be this hard to be a fan of somebody man. Y'all he said this shit is made up. They fix this knew that he was going to come forward. And come at you He said he was gonna fight that way. That wasn't a deontay that we've seen for forty some plus fights what he did. He hurt you early on that. You know affect you the rest of the way. It didn't hurt me at all. It was the fact that you know my uniform coming out. I don't sound doctor to me. Man all you hear is the typewriter because he owner he like what the suit he writing that article man but i would have. My man was like he can't be a co host on the voice right. Oh doing all that happened. Pop behind ball hit joe it to bow mutual shit now behold the audio doctor offers not at all not at all. What about the took fucking year to come out who doctor that i know. He got tired of death. Threats people were doing death threats to him. Why you lying on while saying he said sewage web you lie you lie. You alija not ain't true. I kind of believe. I believed the suit you know in the beginning. 'cause as he said kevin i only. That's not the wow that we used to see him for forty one fakes so i believe and then it just kept going and going and going going going in there and say i. So which one is your girl getting mad at you like. Why are you not on. Oh and you ain't do this. The kids bothering me. Which one is getting mad the kids or the fuck me not be in. An apps allows a good metaphor metaphors in the back to relationships. It's trying to grow serene list and let out and low sports. What the hell sports rental. What is he says. Moore interim sports centrum. He says baa the book. That's it just by the book not by it by like be you like. We're doing this by the derek santos. Who's new in remove. Everybody from the back call. Who's this missed. The derek espinosa's stephen okay. So gus and spent you call. And i wanna talk about the web tweets. Well to wait. Let's go you sound. I don't know said something about this. I think we'll be expense. Are you cuban. you sound cuban. Yes i am cuban. I look i don hating all these black fighters okay. I'm not because i'm just because i'm cuban. Okay i think. The best. The best african american fighters right now or chris. Colbert the trump brothers stevenson. And haney right but you guys listening but you biasedly picking guys. Because he's cuban and you are. Because i'm not buying sleep picking us look. I think the laura gets destroyed by charlotte now right now because not even nearest from so. I'm not. I'm not being biased. Okay okay not being biased. But laura s a whole different fight man we talking gossen and early saying it as an example because i'm not going to be biased over cuban fighters when i see a cuban fighter that that i don't like or that isn't doing good. Say look you know that barthelemy guy sucks. I don't wanna see him fight 'em and looks like he's throwing pillows around there. He took shots at port. He said that one is cuban friends. Beat knocked not outpouring amateurs and then guys be put in the pros on us cubans. He said supporter yossi that. You'll be seeing though. I i think expenses flat footed the only good thing he has that he has a lot of heart. Yes heart you off hall. Now bring him. I don't see that much powering him. But i'm gonna say something positive about him. The man has hard. He likes to fight and he's always out there to put a fight but what i'm saying is that i don't see anything special in him. Honestly nothing that impresses me what you don't see that as to give guy like this. Wbo medal if you go. Whoa that i d. Oh man i the oh the real green belt. Look one person greenbelt nine. I got my pets pets. Yo my blue really old. The belts alphabet soup logos. I'm gonna say something. I've he's emphasizing. Chris colbert audit tally. I think i think the best one thirty pounder the one with the best snow talented. Let's say because he still hasn't you know an important title except the interim wbz tied. Look i think that man can do big things in boxing right. We believe you on that when we ain't believe you guys one. That's why we were a little bit disconnected man who just beat guys. I got my computer. Nobody does never died. That's face that has a lot. Has boxing like real boxing. Ability orders just an inside. Fighter bothered co colebrook. You only get three minutes. Now was hold three minutes. You know what i mean. Call court tomorrow morning. You let me go to don dummy dummy w my dollar you don dummy dummy on the biggest legua jamaica. Dominican ribian was disrespectful to the islands. Man he island. I'm caribbean sea guarani. For you man. He's zero you get his airline. What's going on with them. See even necessarily look like come on these. Excuses are ridiculous. light. If you're a big man. Donald don behold up. You better protect me. Because now that i'm fucking which i'm getting death threats. No we know if you don't see me do to show in the morning they got me man. Gm elaborate though was still. Yeah but now big. Big munching no for real. It's like enough is enough as a man. You have to look at yourself commitment. Like why am. I making excuses for another grown man like. He's excuses prophetic. Come on the gloves. The train decrepit in the book referee. If won't forget that one life. Why is your crop. come on man. He's like everything except for like the real thing like you are not good enough you need to. This is only comes down to you. Should be working on like if he was listening tequila greenland and do list of to do and light real bucks. Do then you wouldn't be in this predicament. Now you probably could be like before. I'm the baddest man on the planet. Ain't gonna listen to nobody. Now look at. You could be making all these. Excuses is ridiculous yet and the science buxom. Just get me. Stop making excuses. Excuses is a joke with that. It made big up tv longtime. Yeah whole lot nashville man. It's such a divide is crazy Gang banging wild you want a fury game. That's how it is crazy man or you out the voice you either while the voice or the u. k. You can't just be honest boxing. Fan picking your fighter and rider with him to the end to the wheels. Fall off. Why you can't do that the way three again. The the The quarterback that just played for new england not wasn't yea i with. Wow the like people. That ride with tom brady. I don't get it and why they do that in boxing. I mean shit about boxing. I'm keith thurman then. I can't pick he got who you pick. Let me go to big drouin east. La what else do what about tv. What up so we we. We got an address the elephant in the room. The bottom line is that you could tell and everybody knows it. While they're gloat daddy you could tell because how he handles adversity. He sounds like emotional. You know and and you know. He was raised by females if he had grown up with the debt. You would've known how to take you. He grew up. His dad was a pastor. You trip back. His dad failed. Because you don't know how to take his l. Getting better he's can't better. You don't know how to take you. Don't know how to take instruction from mcgrillen undefeated amateur gold medalist and world champion in his own right had very similarity stan. Once knockout out. He didn't wait a minute. Let me get let me get this straight so you you respect mug breeland but you don't respect wilder. I don't respect. How wilder handle the i. I'm not mad that he got an l. I'm not mad at that at all. How he handled himself. He didn't behave like a fighter afterwards. That's that's what that's were disappointing. Me and and it's to the point where he's disrespecting not only spor himself but he's goddamn country now so you know. He deserves all the plaque that he did. How is he. disrespect house. This country is he the president because the only because no if he was gonna military he'd be a dishonorable discharge by because it's world champions. The y'all how wait a minute wait a minute. Wait a minute. So why would he be. Dishonorable this charge. V had settled defenses only tied. Where mamata i leave. I'd like to know what you're talking about. Joe louis at twenty five. Where what are you talking about. And i said he had ten title defenses taiwo mohammed ali. So why would he be in a dishonorable discharge. Because i always behaved themselves since he took that l. here and acting like a world champion. He's just making exclusives. Don't so many uses and sticking to whatever sticks that ain't a world champion. Come to be a champion in and out of the ring. World champion has character and without character. You ain't going to be a champion. But he was champion though time timing but for a long time a few years a few years. Now i am and i hear you but you know the issue is that your hatred is is is evident with the way that you speak people can see who thinks. It's obvious though you might ask john. Maybe maybe maybe maybe when you listen to the way. It might be interpreted that way. But i know in my heart of hearts. It's not it's just you right now man. You lie your reagan fog. He raised by expanding this. Because you should shut up. Eat that stuff out of a long time ago. Beat that. isn't it the same stuff. Sound like yours. Raised by females man sitting over there. Talking shit shut the hell up may go sit down somewhere dumb as you coming out your mouth off. My father always said don't ever talk about. Dan may just go to daddy's day. Didn't do this. What can i show you talk about. Judge colorado crucial colorado nance. Who paid you man. Who paid you both this cat out the bag empty. Tk global they give it here by. Checks came to hang to beat them. Bros sad to hear that the title crazy broke. You notice the brotherhood right. Oh crucial child needed. Y'all need to change my name. So yeah i'll be referencing. That's that's it was. It was dr burleson. Would you say dr today at role. It's it's it's one of one of two ways they either move some of his words around. It made it sound like she sick. That's why the hell out on wealth. Guess what why this on his own but you know how easy it is to move from audio around make you sound like a mighty says like they say is when conor mcgregor put out that paulie milder ninety footage and only put out a clip of it. Thirty seconds of it may look like he'd beaten as we well know what happened before they don't know what happened after that. So you just taking a small sample size. Think you know the whole story now. Well no if wild right after what he said he could have been like. But it was all because i feel like my water was spiked. That's why i felt like the suit was heavy in my legs. We don't know what the fuck you said did it. So hey hey no context involved or nothing like that and we. We all believe in lawyers. Like i really i i i don't understand. What is doctored. When he clearly says it wasn't him her. The suit was too heavy like he says it bro role but what did he. What did he say afterwards he. He did a heavy because yes. That's what makes it. Because he could have said if he says something that explained why he was too heavy after they clint. We don't know what the fuck you say. He could have been to leading up to the sparked watership. We don't know he said after that but willing to believe so. Wait a minute hold on is bringing up fury. Did i bring up theory or is that is that an you. That's what to make aware of. What's agile on you. You on the side of a man. That saying i Take pd there was born me. You've talked about a guy man more green who three damn lies in interview. Three lives into realis- three lies. Tony lied about why. They're not hitting the bank. He lied about while they're not jumping rope and he lied about why they're not having the jab and some other things. I only remember it was told me so. This is my issue you while in right because you come in on saying that people taking wild words out of context but now you know as a grown man taking his words out of context he did not say while the does not ever in his mother fucking life it. The bag in his mother fucking like jumped vote. You know that see. That's what i'm saying. That's my point. I gotta mutual chance. Because that's the point. I'm trying to make. It's good for the goose today right so so so yesterday when breathing was discrediting wild is good for you to say. Oh well you know. We're going to say that breeland isn't telling the truth because we know that wilder has one video on the internet in the bag in jumping rope. But today we're not gonna take that same logic because it's again against wilder and we need to protect him so we're going to say no we can't use that audio because we're missing some of the audio. I mean you can't do good for the goose and good but again or not at offer anybody like you can't pick and choose when you're gonna treat something as half of the information are all of the information you know. And we're breeland saying what he said. He obviously isn't speaking about ever in wilders life and that's real random real quick not even random but on topic i had honors to go to tuscaloosa and go to that gym and alabama ansi. Wow the hit the heavy bag. You know what i'm saying. So if that was the day that he only hits. The heavy bag didn't look that way. That's all i'm saying i'm right. It's not you know. Oh you know this is the thing. These people are so far. Gone they drink in the wilder fucking eight belay the no. It's the blade blood. They're they're they're vampires at this point man. They drink an ashes so like deep that they're they're ignoring the fact that the video they're using to prove that brilliant is lying in his minds. They're ignoring there knowing that they're sharing the box invoices video of wild jumping rope and hit in the bag. And thank you. Thank you thank you today but no. It's what i'm trying to say is like my title. Says it all did. Did i know that two three years later we was going to be arguing whether or not while the hits the bag or or or jumps rope but i still titled the video rare footage of while jumping rope. Why did i use the word rare. I think use it because he doesn't do it often. That's why i fucking used it but somehow my bruins aligarh these do you guys are fucking your wilder heroin addict smith. It's sad wilder heroin. Addicts was aid. Steve is steve. Your dope theme your wild doping. He got the look. Hey say lovie. Saying i'm sponsored by ton de now because it's sad this is what you guys are. It's either it's either your own wilder side or urine urine teen fury. That's what the other do try to do like. Oh also you believe this. So that means you believe fury in the board meeting. We even talked about fury. You ain't even talking about here. But that's how sad. It is just like oh. He ain't wilder so he's team fury. Lula look i'm now. I'm tied up with key man. Love it yes so sad man said just like the death threats and in that sad this is. This is where you are. This is where you want that as a grown man as a fan of another man. You're forced to send threats say hateful things. Are you lying. steve. I mean well there it is there. It is steve. Steve has now proven to us. his character. he's asking me is. Is he lying about being sponsored by sunday. All my god. Yup we used to say not we. But i'm just saying i'm generalizing. They sustain while the would not run right And he wasn't not that he would not but he doesn't run. Put the mouth right right. He said to me in interviews but they'll say he didn't mean that that it was i. I'm taking his words out of context in that interview because i knew the future. 'cause i jumped into delorean moved in the future. I knew that this was going to happen. So i went back and asking that question then i made it up back. Then that's what they're gonna say to talk about florida back then to know they some bees man. It's it's crazy it's it's this shit is. I've never seen anything like this. I didn't i didn't know it was going. Get this bat. Now you do now. We hear john hill. Says ness play the whole audio typewriters. The whole audio typewriter reporter. It was a keyboard man. But i said tyrod trae and a beta chain of trade debate about trag. Don't try try tray tray tray. I love that one brother he said had moved to florida. Take my accomplishment away for me. That was all the in. My family stopped. It in media talks to the in the media in the media in the media. Miss this hey trying to get the wish. This is the box loss yulia at nist salutes. Human keeping ville for will get me to be his s year. All those people called on the phone. You used to sound like them. You know know what of nine that. I never signed the like that. I never made them stories. But that's not what i did. I believe me when people get the point across we just like you just know having enemy now only was not having it when your made up. Lahser have you know. I don't deal well with us. Okay if that's what you it but yes alito. Yeah thank you. Respect peace brandon a brand with the super taste said watch out for those dudes in the camouflage. Do rags and wife beaters snus. That's a uniform of the members of pom squad on me and you public enemy number. One shit You got elaborate a little bit on the death threat like what does that bow. Wow defense hitting me up like a word is born you. Mother florida's born borders born. When i see all i see when i see you wish i'm shoot on sight. Nick sight word is boy. You're talking about the king motherfucker you talking about the king. I'm like oh chin spots not the same box the saints personal way. See your ways. Oh shit oh shit. Let me get lids low. Get j. in rang off your yo. What about what about yup yup. I called me. I keep a solid air. Vitamins about won't be one hundred man. I'll listen allowed to fail qualify. But i'm sick of this shit. Ain't wild akeem gets away as back in the ring and motherfucking brought out his soap opera shooting boxed up this shit my brealey out all the people who is in town. Shoutout board austin auto participant. Mario had training going. I'm out night. You just dropped the whole bomb squad. Bursts joe with bama say bodybuilding. Been back to your crib driving on your lawn and vk when he say the dude is the do driving anymore. Now you have to knuckle up on them. I'm have to get a like a lecture game. you know zane. It's no then they still. Somebody else wrote through their nine. Nobody ain't drive through that. I know of but you ain't looking. You should look up on amazon and ebay you can find one like one of them cop things where they told the flat tires is like a yeah. I thought about that. Joe and just every night late ash shit out so whoever runs through boots. Yeah because you allowed to put that on shit. I'm more because this is my property. That's why i'm saying. Now you stuck on it one way and it's the way i tell you to go to the the streets the way i'm telling you to go in the way to go got a super taffer. Michael buffa who says ness moved to the uk you're done in the us. It's over laughing loud. Funny michael buffalo overman versus. Let me see who we got. Jimmy junior let me see who we go. We go we go. We got king born with the hammer. As we get to you chad we'd be going to you. You won't be ready man. What what you're listening being sick real tonight man. You've got these. uk cats calling me. They run nest nest. Man's nair right. That's me is like you. They fucked which you heart there. Who did you come with some propaganda boosted like the mazzi from the forties. Couple of we were happy. We are happening on a video. What at your man. You know what i'm saying with the vest shake my uniform. I who listen. He could have been in before he fought the fight. Y'all could've fucked his way in losses lane that uniform shit. He lost because of the legs. Men why you're trying to do to switch him up shit fix up shit man sitting working man. Let let take more. Cpr let him the range show. That'll come back man atkins tool q. Remember these distant welter to you can still start out with boots. Yummy all accused. You still get stopped out with frankenstein. Booth joe combing. I got to win. Jackson marinas like marina his last day. Psych marina with a whole boat sank. Shit yourself bolts me some some miami vice shit himself because he florida right now. 'cause you gotta work with degree weather goodness. I'm coming down. I'm comitatus with back. May be back on it an now. Luckily an and yo your nest you duct you to make abby i got i obey sleeping to fake big baby. You heard. He called sleep rail seven. You can't take their power minute point like a power pellet feel me. Thank empower premise. Out here man you either way. Bay notching ness florida law. Man you got the tim army. Su sure to right brennan as a spa. They tried to take your head off ness better comic that man let me. I'm doug dodson less amid you better. You better have some superman right now for can avoid shit like the flash now mean they coming at you and your next may the next time you this wild empty. Leave ribukae man. You're going to be uk. So how get how this like. What the hell is going on a date. You know why because you'd be reporting you know what i'm saying. Hell wants you watch report so when you report they they they saying you'll he choosing sides you know what i mean. Who's insides let me go. Let me go to tim in florida. Not out here. That seventy degree weather man is nice. Cool night man without him. And you have to echo when your room. You walked away from the Ahead holy shit echo. I know you. She got space. Look i got to put it up. I'm giving it like. Oh forty eight hours to forty eight hours to fully pop pop. Oh the whole acoustics joins us now asks. You was the same without for your phone. I got your your name wrong shit for five five one. Six one is or yet. Nobody say he joined that weather out there in the pool late night on the pool. You know we know keep all. He probably executed the flats flat church. You're going to baltimore's ten C. k. online. You know ck online had to get a job and give it to you on kinda roll man to janka and route. Listen man when you say no excuses before the fight me what you say and say what you mean. You can't say no excuses. Embiid ghetto ass and then say we'll i'll pick somebody has some of them are wanna my mom by doing a forward through heavy you know i think he has so many poor the acne jostle aren't say i thought better man and he put my you. Don't make it too. Because i bet money on louder. I can't get money from no excuses so yotam to make sure. Don't nothing happen. You a million dollar athlete. How would somebody clicked the water bottle. You can same basketball shit like that happens in boxing. You see diapers north. You've got you gotta make sure mayweather have fifty. You think they try to you if you do. He probably police in his team. Our body and while the you know he loved his team say treat Breeland like a brother and you know. I allegedly allegedly end there. But i'm not saying that we asked for breeding. But i'm saying it can be believable. Okay okay. I'll just want to tell you what's believable with you. Blew the biggest fight of your life when you come fall. Anthony does and you don't want to acknowledge that you made a mistake fighting the alleged cheater so you chose the fight tyson fury and gets away ads. Now you wanna make excuses. Don't nobody's separate excuses. That mahomes got his ass period. I don't wanna hear about no flag. The nothing you should have met with brady. I bet with the my whole allows. I no excuses. You've got to be accountable. Yeah but how. Many allegations does tyson fury against them. So why are you fighting was. That's how jack you he had a guy gates it before. He failed a drug tip. That's you you told the final. Why you ain't got one hundred million goal table. That's what i'm saying. Is you just make an excuse. Because you've got to ask look say thought the big six nine bear and he was too big for me. I couldn't handle. Yeah but made no excuses manual. Oh man that's where women. I all or while. I'll bet a water lost my money just like bet on my home. So that's why you mad but looking like wow you shocked. Promise you happening that happened. I didn't know what i was to win. But i knew it was just like super bowl. You know what will happen when they get in there. That goes directly definitely. So i wouldn't be making that mahomes. They make no excuses. Sal craig want the ball again. We got tim london on track but out straight now now. He chilling in the pool. Listen to to the to the tv from the floaty man. We got twin in orlando Though to floridians call the name showing that love man. Man up your call for do that unlike wild i swear i thought it was wild. Long anyway. Y'all grow nets. You need to check out a google Google 'cause i've ever seen the thanksgiving and google. While while this qasim was reason he locked the third list. The while the lane forty pounds prefight copy for loss. You could is the kevin. I don't know And kept bro way. These worded it in the In google search whenever you searching is different from what when you go into the article. That ain't kevin full. Kevin article says what it says right right right but that probably the communication where your audience later on and say you said that. And it's just. Yahoo will whoever that is doing dating nation on it. o beyond. He wanted pair of law also also lost mature dog. Oh you didn't look to us to an end by no from the before your on like that. We violate he. He also he also never for two hundred and seventy four pound man tyson fury before either wrong before he was he was on them back into question he might young like you know the wild. We know he enter yet. So i'm not with that what i'm saying. He's not he's not saying that. The reason for the law we looked at was because the forty. i believe. that's why he looked like that. I don't believe that. And i'm not with you. Know i you know he looked change. Your gloves should fill up your audio. The perfect storm having all the perfect storm happens. Now look making it look that it looks like he's trying to figure out belt that he's looking for explanation. You sounds like an the explanation of ice. The away he did landed on. Forty pounds landed on the water. 'cause he knew he came in dealing with why who the fuck no knocking revenue for the about the glow. You don't say you don't buy that google in it. Google search wants this cop. Look you'll see young. You know what's funny. Allow people using a word excuse like they never sought a judge. Traffic court said. Now you're gonna see reason was or they saw the who police pull them off right now. I wasn't on the phone. What was was or they ain't lied to that girl. Oh my god it was was and then. What if there wasn't a lot but it was a real reason that you weren't on time or you will on the phone or is real life. It's just that you put tight fury. Sorry you put wild on it's pedestal and it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to be needed. Did it turn out the way he wanted to be. And you're on his ass right now. Man they match the super chatto that it never happens so because it happened. We gotta find reasons why it happened. Other than fury winning moment. I'm gonna go my excuse to be like your while. The wasn't himself. Something was up like. That's mike's us man. Yo what's your You know it's it's funny man. I got sent the dm doing this show. And i'm just laughing because tell us why you laughing. Because i've been now and that's all i need to say you've been you ban wear like with with the excuse. No i've been to alabama tuscaloosa alabama. Yeah i've been there to. That's all i need to say man. I'm done with that. Yeah but francis you never use an excuse like is it wrong or was it a lot Not heat used excuse. Was that a lie wrong. Is it real now. I was real. But i mean every excuses considered lies. So if you're supposed to be somewhere do something he didn't do it Would've reason it's all you ducking 'cause you saying even though yours is an excuse. It could be considered a lot so even though you said you can't make it to america. That could be the truth but it could be alive so it could be considered duck and what it is me saying is let me tell you that they can't. They can't make today. Came to america is going to be considered an excuse which could be inserted as a lot. Then i'm i don't need your help. So which can be an excuse. But it's real life something that's out of my control but everybody gonna take the opinion. That is the truth. You know no no. They interpreted as a la. Yay you friend. And that's all we saying right here with this and it just builds for biggest story. 'cause the truth is the truth. I mean i. It's either i stay home or go get locked up and stay somewhere else. So it's one way or the other. Because like i said i don't know but job but it's a little bit different over there over here. They actually have pizza hint. Toronto who I've been assigned to check up on those who leave and have been registered to have left the country brotherhood poisoned. Leave that y'all well going off to joe is like you in the ocean and you like fuck it. I'm jumping off to a jumping off. And i'm going to swim back. No guys stay in the old man stay in the boat. Yomas poison them now lord. Have mercy please help us. Davidian buffalo falls will pay was gay. Tv what's Casual nine. I'm just listening. May i look for to the fights this weekend. I didn't realize that they were that close. I look for him. A man blue knows lopez. You know i got No that's not the fight this this weekend next weekend. I'm gonna go with days. I don't know if somebody's i even though i hear out is is You know like the harder the bigger harder puncher i'm gonna go with my marabout is On the suspect you like a big baby. isn't he. He's he on the kurdish. We big baby that way. New big nice lake that young. Yeah i like the young so far. I don't keep keep knowing but you're not. Boxing is but yeah i mean the wildest thing I just wanted to see my man fight. I'll plead the circle and all that other stuff. I don't know nothing i'm not. I'm not on the stand about whether you lied or not. I don't know. I just wanted to see him play. Like that's all the ones. I just want to see a fight somebody. All it was like. I was thinking hearing about glo masud and soon as soon with. That's a crazy. Though that begins with the batteries in orlando like small. Smoking got bad i. That's my car. Batteries is forty pounds. Shah to wager wayne man definitely wrapped us from the beginning of the season had to play in the us because they can't be having the people come back and forth through the border. They've been done that. But you know what i mean. I tried to slip through once or twice. But they make it. You know how it go manage. Just it is. What it is can't is very secure. Funny how you how you seen. That canadian chabanel man might caps. This said that. The fucking lockdown is over february twenty-second and francis can make it to the fight. Easy peasy lockdown has nothing to do with travel restriction. Stupid league little stupid stupid like azam as alarm whereas that's good. That's good that's good. That's good. I'm gonna show you don't worry brotherhood showing it showing that. He's deeply offended that. We're talking about his favorite superhero. So he has to try to offend me by talking about one of my favorite fighters. That's what is super chatter about brotherhood says nez believe canal eight tainted meat. Though shaking my head can nilo was found guilty and say that the meat was tainted then that the chef tainted the me then say that he never said it was the me then audio come out him saying it was me then him saying it was the people who handled the me. They were crabs in a bucket. Show as terrible man. Yeah i need to start this shit any to stop. This man is just too many at this point. We got the just let it go and pray that he gets into the fight in this trip trip and then i get mad at the people who wake up wake up for its like they like poison them. They don't want you to wake up. i'm not. I'm not trying to play it safe man. This is not playing to save. But mike capps know what it is definitely charging me. China tried me over to grant when i come back landon candidate before even get to my crib. They're trying to dig in my pocket so yeah for sure. My friends is duck and show. Can you need to listen man. This makes you train. 'cause with mario get some of that florida's sunday him and he gonna turn this on. Well you you. You believe shocking shonky going beat up a mario now. I'm just saying i'm excited to be the man. I'm gonna have fun ideas. I'm just going to be part of it and it's going to be bigger. Let me let me get to now. Because of neto handed jay from shit fitness real. Mario still there. Frank would up a man who will go real. I'm giving all y'all like dope nicknames real. That's an inside joke. Dow was behind us to kill him. Really call mario for he's like it's real riquet. How about right now. We all use re. That's burma game of thrones. That's crazy you can tell younger tyreek if you want to that too you know those kind of transient. You could tell to spanish. Bronzes and rica works both ways but let me knows a lot of ways to go here. Fundamentally like my man was saying as men as men as most of us are here excuse will never ever ever ever worked. Okay we know that. Just fundamentally however dare is nuance to this. Right is complex the sports and if there's cheating involved that's a problem now i we waited a long time to hear mark zalin talk and when i heard him talk. I was like disney. A deathly suspect he got under underlying animosity towards wilder. You know like he's definitely suss. I still suspect in there because it was like. He was so disgusted by wilders work ethic seemingly right so that that had me thinking like dan what did he do. Some and fundamentally to if you are trained in a person and you are over them. You're like album like man. I'm just here to get this cecchi check that somewhat sabotage in itself you know so so that made me think mark bruins suspect to but that doesn't mean that i believe wilder and his several exclusives like i mean said earlier we got the. We got the despite water. The hair braided braided his hair. Too tight mark bruin. He was tired from carrying a generator to the ring to keep the superpower. The whole time you know through to the talian but more than anything to make me a fan of somebody. I gotta be a fan of the characteristics of the men. And that's long ago. Eluded to this work ethic and the reason why i subscribed to floyd because floyd s at that time we'll twenty four seven years ago you wanna beat me out work me then and that's just what kind of live by the best that all the things in the world but i can work really hard working hard. Don't take town. It just takes effort in will want to and so when you will. You're not giving me that. That means i don't have to subscribe to you allowed or nothing and i like them excuses. That's my call. Dan dan j you drop some gems. They're like on life in general that she had nothing to do a boxing. We got one in the be x one one one one mellow mellow. Okay there. are you know me main. I'm done with on everything so not seen all that. I won't ever be on roche. Should though you seen weber where like people like selena for example. God bless resin peace and saw best friend. There durden broke example. Note michel happens all the time. And you never know when is when it's not because it's when you least expect it like miguel cotto after ligo quotas on the mortgage cheeto margarito came up with the growth with mostly you like. Oh shit. i knew something was wrong. You know how many other boxes that like kermit cintron permits never lost broke. Then you fought. Margarito booming right. Oh shit either set in into right out for like yoke guy hit harder. None of my whites. I was undefeated. Knock and everybody is screaming. Like i was nothing happened. You build in his career backup. Margarita came deniger right back out. We need though you know cintron out. The ringo remember margarito. No no no somebody else. The other guy. Who was paul williams fought and are not the ring or some shit issues crazy to being was paul he on quote me on one hundred percent short but yet he did fall out the rink completely out. Ring razi yemen nine. That's why i definitely like. I don't i don't i don't say while the could be wrong. Could be right but the other excuses. I haven't heard him personally. Say about you know all these other shit with the egg weeds and whatever yeah eat potty this shit too so whatever. It doesn't matter though you might believe it if he believes that shit and it makes them come back stronger the more politics than bill. That ramesh does happen. Knows he might not be said. Straight to the fucking. That lack of one of the announcers inside party hit quickey referee. You referee judge et assign. Spokane sense strength judge correctly. Anyway you say people peace you. I don't believe this. Like i don't know what you said. That may people say yo you switch and size on wilder. But i just don't understand how something can't be believed. I know tons of different excuses. But why can't you say like something ain't right and he he just doesn't know what's not right so he got his broad things of just happened different in every direction like the water like the gloves the pain he never felt i fight. He felt in second fight. Like why. why can't we speculate. You know why we gotta be that you'll be line or he excused got excuses. Why why can't we be like that. Because i know so. Many people are innocent and in jail doc. Right now i heard that okay. Just saying i'm just saying is like what do you want me to say you asking me to say i put you on the spot general. I mean you auto you. Are you accent anybody to be like. Don't call it an excuse. Just say that he don't know which one it is. Yeah you don't know what happened. Maybe he's gone crazy. You know they say famous so real and and while there was famous yes or no yes celebrity fighter. It is so real. It drove michael jackson crazy. It has kanye west crazy. You know it just keeps going. You could just name things. That celebrity does to people mentally you know so while does that that point where he just don't know what happens like oh the world is against me even though there are people sharing the him when he enters the rain but something was against him that he did not perform the way he performed. We know while the from for for going in. Yeah he got that one power point. P you sound like a zombie don't do a show would a negative narrative so let's not talk about the audio that people wanted kevin leader produce. You sell relief. Sound like a zombie bro. Like that's other channels. I don't do a report on everything the same way every day. I'm just still trying to figure out why you're office. Got like kitchen cabinets. Mega like the dish. Draw the bag now. Now you Now i'm i'm really trying to figure out why we can't side with the fighter that we chose you know what i'm saying you don't read it. He signed the fully. So so you want me to put the that supported me so that means that he should buy my. I should not see any other sides. Only his side because he supported me. Is that what you mean your reporting according we might need we might need to go to your call man because Gase he you know. Take you three minutes take it. Three minutes supported unesco. Listen this is not. It's not hard to understand right when you talk about wilder there are people who you choose at cannella wherever it is is usually benefits you have to do. Support you right routed supported this show router helps you grow but when i look around at the ldc and other channels they get better views. They make more money. It's like it doesn't make sense but you to do rather relationship that's because you change. You switch do you to keep a friendship. My god you don't have to just because you don't do it to kinetico kinetico truck test right on the show on that. Not once like you won't even admit the heat the truck cheap but can do nothing for you. He's never done fi. Router hassles appleton awesome. So again same right. i mean. We're having sason champ in. And just i'll minutes you read me for our after that i just want to just. I don't care if you my friend dog. I know teacher friends. I don't want to be your friend. I just wanted to see roxy. I'm good with us. I don't want to see what you wanna be. Whatever why why didn't cut me off. Man i'll i wanna do is talk as you can do you after you afraid to let him speak. I'll go and bigger than you see. What real people like me. People despise you know. It's a matter of time before you turned on them like you do. Everybody is already met routers. Not taking zombie columbia. What you wanna call me. When i'm like the people love me. So no by superset be be sponsored by me. I'm the one who put your money. Fits for to see why piece of portugal. Nobody else cut the boost. One day you can have a friend who see you man. I'm sorry to say what you want to say but everybody knows everybody knows you're so could do better if you treat it people who help you better. I hope the nfl was. You mean if i was an echo chamber. It's not about being echo chamber. You don't do that doesn't help you board. Everybody knows your you say if you say so. Chip that's weird champ. Canoga life you. He's not coming to the router supported. Georgia disrespect him. Years tipped zika caller reason to cloud get narrative the cow you word it. You called wilder aligarh. Why did you have to call. Why can't you give everybody else the opportunity to do so nobody else lets you you. You don't know how to screen my guy tell everybody who's listening. Don't be friends with me. He will turn on you like everybody heels. Pr baby let's do. That's that's what most people do not. Don't talk about the evidence that was released. Tell the world of how bad. I am so that they don't listen to me. So that what i'm presenting to. You is discredited. You are a sad zombie man. It's just sad you need to wake up. You've ever even been in that camp. That's the saddest part that you jumping out the window without knowing anything all. You're not giving the fan and though and extreme. He's a fan of of wilder. And then you win against his Fighter exactly got the right on the right now guy but you take away the right for you to be transparent. You know what i'm saying. You gotta you reporting. That's what he's saying that. I shouldn't be transparent because out the supported me so i i should only support while the back. I shouldn't report on this. That's what he's saying now. Now just quick yes or no wild ever gave you a thousand dollars hand. You'll never coming out for never never and and pay for all my own stuff right so but you went out there. Shot him and put it out in the world and forty thousand people saw it. Yep i so. You supported him to the transaction. I mean you know technically right. Bama with supercharge says tb both life and bam. Bam is while the hometown from bam bam. Well saying i'm lying about the title. So while the says in the beginning of the audio right here that kevin i only twisted his words. But there's not one word twisted but i'm lying the audio right there. The media change at words may get the sound like one guy guy by name of camping. I only one of my coal twisted around. Until am i trying to get on his end. This sound better this way and my people doing it can't be that road people call us up. That ain't that angel quote with sound better this way and then you feed it to people So capping knew that he was going to come forward and come at you. Just tell me. Where's this switched up from mir learn knew that he was going to come forward and come at you He said he was gonna fight that way. That wasn't a deontay that we've seen for forty seven plus five. What are you what are you did. He hurt you early on that you know affect you the rest of the way. It was some the fact that you know my my uniform coming out with way too. Heavy have since the beginning of the flight. So what did he twist on. I'm still loss man. I'm still. I'm would life investigation right here and i kind of get it. Kevin always title reads. Deontay wilder says forty pound costume left his legs dead. What did he. Swiss swiss kevin. I did not twist anything and diaz take. Wow the doesn't know what went wrong. That had them not the tyson fury. I don't know what the people want him to say. The people want to say like you got fucked up by tyson fury. That's what the people want to say. You know what i'm saying and the people also want him to say like i going to fight him again. 'cause i can't beat them so i i just don't get it man. I'm i'm wild. I me personally. You know like if i were. Tom brady i right so let me just interject stop saying say he did not say okay. I'm gonna show you right here. He is the link a right and it says right there in the title you keep saying i only say for the laws. I only say that the sukhoi he as say that i own is my only says in his title. Deontay wilder says the forty pound costume left his legs dead. He don't say deontay wilder said the suit cost them the fight he say deontay wilder said the suit is the reason he laws. Stop saying he said that man. Y'all try anything to make this. Not real francis you ever heard good combat. Of course i. The bad cop is digging. Deep copies out your. I'm on your side. Y'all i only lie. The site is save right here in february. Twenty four man. You can't change this shit me me. Twenty twenty i. He was playing bad cop man he ever gatien the title still did they at title or some shit he didn't it wasn't an edit put like The while the fans deserve the be like yoke. I always the bad cop digging deep yo man. you can't dig that deep. He's looking for wild. It'd be fucked up. They want to say that he's not that guy who's looking for while to say that who's looking for while to say that that's a good question man no. Ea defend himself because they call them a liar. They say he made it on. Twenty about twenty twenty one. I'm talking about twenty twenty. When he was asking those questions he wanted while it'd be like the better man one that's what he was digging for. Yup say that while they ain't the guy to be like yo yo. Fuck me up when you say that. Do you say shit like that. Y'all got fucked up jose. I will never say that. I'm asking how jody's the backchat. So far gone or at any is fucking. Steve against steve is the number one zombie. I never knew this shit man. He said oh. It ain't steve. I'm sorry steve. I don't know let me look. Who said it in the bank test. Somebody zombie shot someone who follows blindly. They don't brains bro. Oh it's to win. He's the zambia. Yahu twisted it on its searches. First of all y'all and google or coca cola and pepsi. okay. Yahoo has its own search. Engine right they were around before google. So ain't no way yahu getting fable with. Google search engine to rank their article on their website. Hi okay so that right did that conspiracy you and while the need to pack that shit up. My man is literally saying that that google manipulated the search. So when you type in wilder blames. That's now he's not lying. When you type in the words wild blames and you click a certain link it takes you to. I always article but when it takes. Its oti article. It says what. I've been screen sharing that you now. How the two are crossed. We don't know but to jump on the conspiracy and blamed google. It's crazy. yeah. I'm gonna go with that. I'm going to say that's possible because i must say. Oh you know read it. Read it and game stop. That shit was real. And google probably could do shit like that. I'm yahoo could probably do something like that. But but that's what i'm trying to say. How was yahoo. Going to have favor on google search engine. But think about what you're saying y'all got its own search engine. You can lose browser how to fuck they're gonna fable on my platform you my competitor think about what you saying. Do you trust cookies when you go on the site and cookies. Trust a yo apply for these cookies. When you use cooking's okay okay. That's where i'd lose. Aw trust but the cookie ain't gonna help yahu oval google. What i'm trying to say we don't know that's the thing. Oh shit man. Now i'm going say viruses in the now it's on google search to help y'all poison church and that's why i poisoned. I'm in man. This is what i'm saying like. I just got off that train. Because it's too hard man net. Now we all about google and yahoo and and they set it up and somebody else said he poisoned somebody else. Said the. come on eight. We boxing fizz. Man we're talking about five million different things man i'm done ma'am quantities super policies. Fellas apologies. Crazy what do we got. What have we got anybody. Remember where we loving on. Start off ken stone. We never read that. That's for sure. And i don't think we've read this. Don't now i'm going to start from eight right. Who says while never denied the statement just the context in other interviews. He said the suit could have been heavy for other reasons. And then he puts editors brackets because this is his opinion and he puts example spiked water. Ken stone says kiko pulls off the upset smith junior and quigley off smith. I think he meant moseley. Junior and quigley. George dallas fort worth says. What's wilders no what's worse while does excuse or the fact that marquez drank his own urine came out of left field. Read the brother. Never drink my own urine broadway. Stephen chicago says you did a whole podcast and never proved wilder lied sacks. Why do people think because they say fax is true. I know because his fakes a and even here that when he just said you never proved while the live how i mean i mean for one the beginning of his audio says they twisted his words. And when you play his words. They're not twisted. I don't know what more he wants out. he. I don't know what steve is looking for some of these fans. They're looking for christ's the come down and be like my son. I'm telling you i'm telling you he's lying. And then they were all really. Jesus now you lying to hang on. Believe me the man. I'm telling casual baz. Guy says tbb for life where the tv ohio box and says i support this mode. Yup respect respect. Bowen bama says tbb for life or fire. Modi's remember brandy mauri says this as opposed to be podcast and as this supposed to be a wild fan club as aid earlier. This year had been hard on while the boys. Yeah that's exactly the thing they don't want me to be a podcast. Talks about everything. They only want me to say beautiful things about wilder. You know. I wanna say beautiful things about everybody not us who they want you to do. They want to be perfect about whoever won and whether loss perfect. And that's it. They don't want you to joe. He just got beat by the good guy or bad guy. Without the cases we got boxing. Expert says if you're listening. We apologize for that caller. He is known as our rodeo clown. He's quitted quitted codenames and self proclaimed to be the best team caller what qualities that he p. the number one support man. You can't you can't burn yard. We are keeping close casual. Baz guy says ness we rock with you. Know we rock with tb tb for life. Mad bent says wilder had the same problem. Ag had in his first fight with andy punches from the next guy he need to come back and win is right. The funny thing is that they mad at me and know what they're not thinking when aj loss with did while a champion he making excuses. He wasn't a real champion right. Come on man. But but now we're just gonna ignore the he making excuses and we. I mean like come on man you know. Yeah you know is crazy about. I'm gonna be clear like and it ain't negative is positive or it's it's authentic that you are a person that don't stick with somebody in ride with them you just you go wherever the news and not saying news again wherever i mean you say whatever you feel and then you related to the news so the news is your wilder is is he honest like he got too many excuses. And you feel like damn your personal opinions in that news and that's why they again attacked. Am i wrong correct. No you're right you're right Obviously they don't want i mean you heard. Cyp he said. I shouldn't be reporting on this because while the supported me they want you to be like nah am by supporting the glove. Me to interview him right but they want you to be like. Yeah the egg weight loss. Yes the water here. The water's yes. But you like yo too many excuses and you probably would do that to your own son if he got out algebra tests and he was in the eighth grade and had all these excuses. And you were like nah too many video games right. Yeah i mainly cement is just it is what it is. I mean what can you do. What can you do you not. I mean if you want to defend a million excuses than. I'm just. I'm i'm just not i'm just done. I'd just rather see you. Fight man another thing another thing you say right you like yo. 'cause i kinda study you you like you say things like yell. I fuck relies of exposure. I'm argue with you to the end right right so and i promise you i promise you. I'm being nice man. You know what i'm saying. I'm being nice. Like people can say whatever they want they forget. Let me just shut up and get through this. Show van wilder. He learned off by no wild man. Wow does huge thirty while to his two thirty is also a way is is so much muscle. he's like you know he's big even though he's thin he's angry look skinny. That's the shit. That's an app though you showing me a screenshot champ. But when you click that link what does the title say man you know. You can't win against hope. Bruce gotta by said they said. I'm jacobs laura lists now us man that knee pretty bad man. We got rochman. Big says earlier it said members to send super chats wild. Wow super chat box and expert nest you. On that jacob laura lists you set out already. Who was down line. Yeah yeah we got. Let me see who online all the time i talk over black we got julio was going on as on numbers i remember that when wild while their loss the everybody started calling in giving furious props and then everybody started coming on conspiracy and whatnot. I'm wilder fan. I'm a fury fat. But his leg. Why did he take while the so long to come out and speak up. You know what i mean. I mean he lost his rematch. Which i've I've i've i blame fingle over that because no one came out. I don't know i ju- leg all these excuses debt. You lost yeah lizzy but i tell you lost come back stronger and gained respect. You know what i mean Other amazing show. Today's from the beginning and it's amazing. Keep it up family. I'm out all right. We got ricky fresh jimmy. We often but as autumn the seniors like united city. Manchester memorial right now year or less than less understand. You're less than Frighten i want the american public to stop drinking the kool aid. Like come on sergeant inequality. It's too many contradictions going on. I said he was the gloves egg weights. What then in the same audio. He says he didn't hurt him. So then headway in the referee. Crabbing bucket referring this league into that that it was mark. Spike in the wa- another nonsense too much too much in the costumes. Heavy were wrong when working in a forty pounds. What's despise you present. All the people that have that same opinion you are expressing what will satisfy you right now from wild. What do you want to hear fight. Okay satisfy me. Show the proof that you claim you have show the proof you out here looking crazy and the medicine yet. It's not even like i'm a aj. Well he's making the wireless fan like like like a woman in a relationship where abusive partner and the partner's just being fucked up and doing all sorts of shit. But she's saying saying. Oh i love him. I love him but the the evidence did my fucking best friend doing this doing the doing that. But yet you still saying i mean that's how why the fun is right now. You're looking stupid out here. You can stupid because my eight show no proof when aj loss he didn't make no issues and everyone's saying the angels looking medicine say nothing what does make so many excuses and this can crazy looking absolutely crazy. The proof is dead. The audio came out. The audio came came from his mouth. Now it's been doctor knows been this winter. What will it take you to accept the truth. What would while it has to do. You wanna go come on his house get the tape look at it turn sideways all make choice right. Come on man. when is it going to be enough. What would you say yes everyone. Everyone that's listed has cheated. You know a the day keeps saying like yo. The audio came out now the excuses. Oh it's not all audio well. Why don't you give us a little bit of evidence. You said you got just give me a little bit then because we else giving me a little bit you give me a little bit. At least i only gave me a little bit of the fucking audio. Where's the loop of the evidence. That was equates in fucking gloves or any of it but the craziest like with all these. Us funds will be the frustration. Yeah everyone calls frustration but when the u. k. Find say that is called. hey it's not. Hey we just want common sense to prevail. That's what we want to show the evidence. Everyone can shut up. And say sony new yorkers on a couple of us people who Haters on the call. Sony sony cincinnati eddie eddie cincinnati sony. What what. Up what i right trae in the bay again. Trae for this ri- because she didn't she had services now trae from the bay and sandy a or trey from the bay miami. She's in cali. Oh catholic season out of the here mixed. We listen and i'm gonna say i'm actually kevin fled to hearing about this sometimes and that is every one right showing us the raise your hand thing and i said that's everybody. I don't think twin book. I don't think we heard from says but wild wild akins craziest fans in a sport. They behave the same colts dan as mad. They all bugging. Ill buggy man. You could be a fan. Four years eight biden. Y'all look as gpa's he's so far guy he said why is wild during court with fury. He's not in criminal court with you. Trip actually enjoyed this man a lot. And i'm gonna wilder fan. I'm a pick em chat follow. He said i see they say. Aj aj. i asked read on delay shots. You we good we good. that's it. Nobody else compact gt. Oh i'm being told the the that can't be right i But nothing nothing. Nothing damn man. Why are you going to stop night's sound now. You sound like that. Not your put out there. You ain't transparent right. Now they told about make the picks on page on. But then i don't have. I don't have yeah. I'm gonna be safe your mammal be safe. Say we go we go. We make sure we stay alive. Full couple more days. Man will na not more than that. Oh man is arby's running around here man. You ever watch the walking dead now watch. That's high ago man. They just running around so they bite up on you. Man you turn now not or not know but yo man body. Oh ohio runs box with a do. The do ohio zone in late was good. Yeah man it's crazy has been following you say thousands dark chamber two thousand thirteen hundred following and It's just goes to show you mandate and really boxing fan are every fighter have delusional fans they got fan ends and they got the fan boys and sent you scramble ways man. They're really yes. Men and these guys i try to stay away from because yes men do not help you at all. They don't see no walls. You don't do nothing wrong. you give them a ping. I see this in the gems in ohio The guys forms is messed up. He's a yes man so he can't even tell the fighter that he's doing something wrong because the i can't grow with these people i'm a louder san speaking some sacks and guys in feelings there yes knit and this is separate. I don't put myself around that and you'll word is all you have made you have to stand on your word and stay consistent no matter what and i see a lot of these guys pick and choose to fit their narrative and it's sad but this is not an easy job and you've been doing mass like i said i support you. Keep dome you doin. 'cause don't change because people got a lot of yes men. I see it in ohio. I i stand on mars but normal support to but i'm not a yes man. Sh that's my call. That's crazy. I don't know how you could be a fan of boxing with that kind of like other fans day. Not even issue not a man. You are a fan of that person or you a fan of the financial benefit that you gain from that person. So i don't i don't need to link myself to any one person to be able to live. You know what i'm saying. Obviously i've been doing almost years now. Only n ninety very simple minded people sit around hit. Compare me to others salah now and i get what you're saying that's specifically to you. But they're saying like yo you can't be a fan and choose otherwise you a fan boy you can't be you know on a side or you a fan boy. You are extreme fan like you can't be a fan like you now. Add fans are judging the fans. There's a level of fan ism come on man. Stop. i can't be a fan of three ghinwa. Alga be on his side with the glove gate and with adds weight with the with the water with the fucking referee with the way with a with the towns on the costume. I can't be on his side with that. Now you know you gotta be on his side that you gotta be you gotta be. Who got it. K people call me. No no because that's what i'm saying. In order to be a while defend you have to agree that the suit was heavy but agreed that it wasn't the reason he laws. You also have to agree that that berlin is a snake. Yeah and train them anymore. And you gotta agree. The anthony derail also was in on it because he trains out of the krung. Jim and with sugarhill. Who's also in on it. So is this. He's in on it man like you got to be on this crazy as fucking delusional is actually sound movie right there. Well that's the twist of the host. And i think that's what every sane person is waiting for that proof for that proof. Yeah but man when with an s. d. Prove out there yeah. Nobody ain't dropping We don't want to buy a drop down. I mean i lease buy. We're training dropdown. Man said fury had nine. You no listening. You can't be dropping dom telling. The world fury had egg weights in his gloves. You said did say that. So it ain't no job in a diet. You already said that we just ain't nobody backing you. Though we ask for the proof won't back on with what's wrong with that. Why why my bag guy. Because i because i'm not like everybody else was i. Oh yeah yeah while jolts fucking egg weights the gloves. Next if i had gloves and i punched in the face. And you like yo. Let me actually. 'cause why does it matter. If canelo gave proof of tainted meat he accepted you. See that's why. There's the disconnect wow defense. He accepted full. He was suspended remember he. He actually had a sentence. There was something there you acting. As if he got away with it like allegedly fury's getting away with it a larry's i mean we go on for days man. I'm just you know. I can never no net zero instagram. Tv on the skull. Casu fan my youtube channel. Look out for it also. Tv on the skull Twitter channel a handle and. I just don't like that. You know many pack yao in these exhibition fights in new way. And we all excited about that but go cry like y'all my man got on a real fight on record felt different attacking the fans that agree with. Don't like that word. Yo you can catch me personally next up sportstalk any ex. Ups four-star also. You can catch me at the way in boxing on. Id and the way in on youtube. Joe appreciate your man. Don't forget this massive thumbs up and subscribe on the way because it doesn't cost you anything your face mask wash your hand. Stay with we you dig. Nashoba me a metal. You got that right there. Francis francis ain't getting one of these so man that waiting border was man you gotta be good things on the horizon for me man. It just a small comeback for small setback for big comeback. Be nasa that was no big affi- stay status king around here. Dues as against wilder awesome good. he's he's.

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T+173: Headlines

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T+173: Headlines

"Hello and welcome them in and and cut off. I'm anthony colangelo. It's been a few weeks since. I've been here on podcast but it has been because the election eight all of the news for the week or two following my last show that last show does stand up. Pretty well though. I think i talked all about the lunar politics As we talked about you stuff here in the us internationally where things stand heading into the election. I do think even knowing the election result. Now what i said there are still stands up pretty good so head back and listen to that if you want my thoughts on where things might go with the politics but after the election ended there was a ton of news that came out over the last week. I couldn't really figure out which stories i wanted to talk about on the show. So what i thought i would do. I do this every year or so. Is actually put the headlines show from the headlines feed into the main feed here so if you are somebody who is a member over at main engine cutoff dot com slash support. If you're a three dollars a month or more you get this kind of show every single weekend. Run through all the stories of the week. Give you my thoughts on them. Talk about stuff. That might not come up on the main show and in cases like this where there's a ton of news it's a really good way to stay up to date so what you're gonna hear is just what you would hear over in the headlines feed and if you like it i would suggest going over to main engine. Cutoff dot com slash support joining up. Just four hundred fifty eight people have done so far including thirty seven executive producers. Who made this episode possible. Thank you to brandon matthew simon lauren. Melissa chris pat matt george ryan now deemed donald lee. Chris morin bob russell. John maurice joel yawn grant and david eunice rob. Tim dodd. the everett astronaut frank joining lawrence from agile space tommy and seven anonymous executive producers. Thank you all so much for your support and once again. I hope you enjoy this version of headlines. It's going to be a long one. So what do you say we jump into it. Starting over in the national security space launch program spacex this week received another contract as part of phase two. This is the contract that they wanted to launch national security payloads for the next couple of years. this one is for twenty nine point six million dollars and it's four fleet surveillance so this gives the department offense the ability to get data and some oversight over non national security flights so these could be nasa flights Starlink flights all sorts of different stuff. That spacex is launching. there's gonna be some visibility there so we'll see if anything specifically comes out of that or if this is a kind of run of the mill thing here you know could be related to some reuse type type of operations or something like that interested to see if we get more detail on that. My guess is we won't so for now this is nice little Thirty million dollar boost for spacex on the launch side of things now on the other hand in terms of spacex settled lights You might remember story from a couple of weeks ago. Where space x and l three harris won awards from the space development agency to build some satellites for the new missile warning constellations. The space development agency is building out this past week. Actually i think this is the week before but it was so close to deadline that i missed the news Airbus and raytheon both filed protests over these awards that went to space x and l three harris no real comment on what the protests over airbus said that they offered the arrow satellite bus. Which is the one that they're making four one web satellites. They make those down in florida. Didn't have any comment at all about what they offered. And really the only staving we saw was in asandra irwin article on space news from airbus spokesperson. Who said that post award debrief review identified concerns about the government's evaluation process as a result we filed a protest with the us government accountability office. So we'll see where this goes from here to this. One is tricky because it places all these products on hold until they're resolved till the protests resolve and with the space development agency. Hoping move fast on this. That could be problematic. They're hoping to launch these. Eight satellites for each from spacex and l l three harris hoping to launch those fall of two thousand twenty two so not a ton of wiggle room in the schedule and it could be that this process brings out some more details about the space x and l three harris satellite buses. That we didn't have before which would be quite curious to find out about raytheon. This week was also in the news for an acquisition. They are going to be acquiring blue canyon technologies who makes small satellite buses. They have recently been winning a ton of contracts from the department of defense to build out satellite buses. So right now they say that this is gonna still run as its own brand in. Its own facilities. There's not gonna be a lot of change here. That tends to be the case for like two years until the acquisition is through. And then something changes but who knows for some of these kind of prime contractors in the military industrial complex side of things these acquisitions sometimes are just scooping up a good partner. You know you might remember a year ago. Maybe two years ago boeing They acquired millennium space very similar. Think lockheed got one as well Taivon's maybe i've if my memory serves correctly so not a huge surprise that they want to scoop up somebody like this. Who's winning a lot of dod contracts especially considering raytheon and the areas that they're playing in with some things like this space agency contract. It's an area. They want to grow and blue technologies seems to have a good line in on department fence. Side of things Right now now when it comes to launching those tons of different options out there one of which is spaceflight who previously had announced sherpa fx announces. Couple of weeks back. Which is their sherpa bus. That can carry multiple different payloads up. As part of a rideshare doesn't have any propulsive. Capabilities does has have some tracking of satellites that are deployed from it and the first one is going to be going up on a spacex rideshare in december on sx r. s. Three that'll be carrying fourteen payloads but this past week spaceflight announced the two other sherpa series vehicles. There's sherpa and sherpa lt. Not like the cellular network but actually these are referring to propulsion. So the otc c stands for chemical propulsion. So this one is as they say in the press release a high thrust by propellant. Green propulsion subsystem. That's going to be provided by benchmark space systems based on their site. I'm looking at. I'm going to guess it's their peregrine. System which the isp quote at two seventy to ninety seconds spaceflight says you know this is useful. If you have payload that you wanna get up onto. Its orbit very quickly and their other option. Is the sherpa lt where the east ends four electric propulsion. This one will be powered by a hall thruster by apollo fusion inc. The apollo constellation engine and spaceflight is particularly marketing. This one for Small satellite's going to geosynchronous or geostationary orbits going out sis lunar space or even earth escape orbits so being able to boost with this electric propulsion. They have a ton of delta v avail- available for whatever. Their payloads are on. Top of sherpa doesn't come as a huge surprise. I think even when we had grant and on the podcast couple of months ago. We're talking about space flight. He hinted at their interest in this kind of last mile propulsion element where they can get a bunch of small satellites on a rideshare whether that be dedicated. Rideshare on spacex or on rocket lab or something like that or as part of a starlink launch. Once they're up though then they have propulsive capabilities to be able to go to wear that. Satellite actually intends lot of different companies are offering this but spaceflight having such a known quantity offering in the industry is particularly of interest to people that have worked with them before ardy have good relationships already know they can rely on spaceflight so definitely a good expansion there. I'm curious to see you know. They say they're gonna fly about six of these a year. Specifically around that spacex rideshare program. And i think that's why. Back when spacex announced the rideshare program with such low prices. We were saying you know this is not something to worry about if you're spaceflight because it actually makes your business a lot easier and this is even an upgrade over that where spacex is going. You know maybe to a starling orbit but you wanna go somewhere else while you can get a sharp lt and you've got plenty of delta v to get where you're going on a very cheap access to space basis so that's really cool and i hope maybe we can have somebody else back on to talk about that as they get closer to launch an update on the cbo observatory in puerto rico. Things are not going well down there back. In august they had an auxiliary cable. That is supporting the platform in the middle of this gigantic Radio dish they had an auxiliary cable. Fail well on that same tower. There's three towers that hold that platform in the middle on that same tower. They had one of the primary cables fail. There's a fantastic article on this by nadia drake. For national geographic. I never knew this until this article but apparently her dad is frank. Drake the guy from the drake equation. The seti founder sent the cbo message as well. So pretty cool that she could quote her dad as a source of this article but she had a great run down. What's going on there. And then leonard. David had some updated statements from ucf. So the best summation i can give you is that there are towers holding up the platform the middle of the dish. Each tower has four primary cables two of which are required back in the nineties. They added auxiliary cables so now on one of the towers and auxiliary cable failed That actually just slipped out of its socket. Didn't actually rupture in the middle of but this time a primary cable ruptured which indicates that these things are pretty damaged. The worry here is that if one more cable were to fail on the one tower considering the fact that one of them is damaged at this point if the are as well that could collapse the tower which then puts more strain than the other towers and the whole structure could come down so they're really trying to figure out what to do here and what the best path forward is a safety zone around this thing. Ucf also said that the national science foundation is reviewing a request for twelve million dollars twelve and a half million dollars for repair funding. We'll see if they get that money and if not this is a bad sign for cbo even if they do get the money. It seems like it's pretty shaky situation down there. So hopefully everything goes well and they figure out a path forward but it could be pretty bad times down there in puerto rico nasa. This past week announced their twenty twenty announcement of collaboration. Opportunity selections as they put it on their site. This is twenty different partnerships to seventeen companies. So couple of the companies have multiple partnerships here and this whole collection is a bunch of unfunded space act agreements with that means. Is nasa not funding these companies for any of this work. What they are offering is expertise or access to nasa facilities if they wanna use different centers and they're testing facilities things like that or even access to experts past work. The total estimated value of what the agency is committing to in terms of resources is about fifteen and a half million dollars. I'm not gonna read every single project out but there are couple to point out. Urgent rocketdyne is going to be working with nasa goddard. They're going to be doing a follow on to the green propellant infusion mission using some of the things that they learned their and they're gonna be developing a new hybrid propellant. They they say green ionic liquid and conventional hydrazine. That'll be what they're focusing on their blue origin. One two different things. I think they are going to be working with a couple of different. Centers aims goddard johnson and marshall. One of them is on a space robot operating system as they say so. This is going to be Working on future operations. I guess on the lunar surface and then they're also going to be working on some different engine designs on additive manufacturing all the buzzwords you can think about in terms of engines net ones with marshall science corporation which is actually north of grummin. This is think the arm that does cygnus tarez they're gonna be working with glenn to develop a small spacecraft electric propulsion system. This could be interesting to be used around the moon. I don't know how small this is. They'd say it's pretty low power so it might not be something that they would use when you're thinking about things like sickness out to the moon but maybe smaller spacecraft buses that they could be working on in the future phase four they are working on new electric propulsion system. That one will also be with glenn So that's pretty cool there there. I've seen their name thrown around a lot lately in the propulsion space rocket lab Also got one of these related to the recovery efforts. They've got the first recovery attempt coming up this week where actually going to try to recover the first stage. And they're working with ames langley and armstrong flight research center on a bunch of different things. One thing mentioned in here about the recovery system. Is that the recovery system will enable more frequent and less expensive government and commercial customers it will also allow for payload return from the international space station entry systems for small spacecraft and a flight testbed mature related entry descent and landing. Technology's very curious what they mean by that the way that rocky labs going to be recovering. The first stage is by using parachutes. And then they're gonna actually have a helicopter come and snag the first stage when it's under parachute very similar to how some early spy satellites recovered a film canisters. I sort of wonder if that's what they mean. There by. Having some sort of small payload returned from the iss maybe some small spacecraft that could come back also the way that it's worded could mean that they're working on the actual decelerating design could be used for these other. Applications haven't heard a lot more on that but that seems particularly curious to see rocket lab doing that kind of work. The last one mention are probably the coolest here. spacex is going to partner with langley to capture imagery in thermal measurements of starship vehicle during orbital entry over the pacific ocean. So you might remember way back in the day in falcon nine was i working on. Landings nasa actually partnered with spacex to capture imagery of one of their stages. Doing reentry burn and propulsive supersonic retro propulsion. And a couple of things that nobody had really done to that point yet and there's just amazing imagery out there. Sounds like they're going to do. Similar things here with starship. Nasa obviously interested in starship for artemis and other programs out there. They've been embracing it more and more with these kind of partnerships and this is yet another one re entry over the pacific ocean. Sounds like that's going to be pretty high altitude if they're going to. I don't know exactly. No i guess they're gonna land on drone ship first. So maybe they're going to be doing this. Just off the coast california where they have drone ship stationed in. They'll actually be capturing all the imagery there but that one will be very cool to watch and finally spaces in the wral. Part of mac sar. They're working on a way to shake dust off of solar panels specifically around lunar dust. But this could be a solution that works elsewhere thinking of mar specifically. But they're gonna have a mechanism. This is from the little press release here. In mechanism will mechanically polcy array at various levels and attempt to shake the dust loosed the technology offers a potentially simple solution for removing dust from planetary solar arrays. So common problem at mars and would be a problem with the moon. Depending on what we're doing there is that dust builds up on the raise and lowers your power level. So maybe this is a way to do that. Clearing without having somebody go out there with a broom and brush off. I guess if you don't have anyone on site so that'd be cool to watch as well bunch of other stuff that it didn't mentioned so if you're interested go read the press release have linked in the show notes. Northrop grumman was awarded to additional cargo resupply missions to the s. as part of the commercial resupply services to contract. These are going to both be cygnus flying on an tarez. These will be occurring in two thousand twenty three. So this is at the tail. End of their current agreement and total. It's gonna cover just under seventy five hundred kilograms between those two missions so full loads therefore cygnus a little add onto their sierras contract which is good news for them. Intuitive machines announced an agreement this week with the international lunar observatory association who is looking to put a small observatory on the south pole of the moon. This announcement just covers a small payload a precursor payload just about a point six kilograms. So it's a very small instrument that will actually be flying on the first in two machines mission that they have contracts with nasa intuitive machines is part of the commercial lunar payload services program which is small landers to the moon cargo delivery Per contract with nasa so they have a flight scheduled to launch in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty one head to the moon. And it's got a bunch of nasa payloads on it that nasa has selected both internal and external but intuitive machines has extra space to sell an. Actually you know not only fill out their vehicle but actually make some more money so this is where the commercial side of this comes in and this is the first announcement in this regard that we've heard so a small payload definitely just trying to pave the way for the way they say it's going to include a dual camera miniaturize lunar imaging sweet and they're trying to capture a picture of the galactic centre from the surface of the moon as a kind of experiment. I soon this is really to work out there. Some of their operations some of their initial hardware but it is really cool to see one of the clips providers starting to sell the excess payload space. They have that's not covered by that nasa mission. So expect to see a lot more of this as we get closer to those launch dates for the clips providers. We have a handful of policy related. Things both here in the us and elsewhere to talk about before we get to the launches. That happened this week. I up is the us senate. This week approved budget for nasa. The house has already done this awhile back now. The senate has went through with their bill and not a lot to not here except two things really number. One funny part. I found funny was in the bill. The complained about the fact that specifically the trump administration but this happens with most administrations and nasa. They proposed the cut. A bunch of different nasa programs that they know congress is gonna fund so they can leave that out of the budget request and say that you know they're not requesting a ridiculous amount of increase even though they really are and they've done this many years in a row and in this bill. They complain about the fact that nasa needs to stop doing that. And stop leaving out things that you know we're gonna fund anyway because it makes your numbers work out but we know what you want us to do so just a little bickering there in the bill. The other part is that the senate approved one billion dollars for the human landing system for fiscal year. Twenty twenty one. Nasa requested three point four billion. The house approved six hundred. Twenty eight million. The senate approved a billion. So they'll likely end up somewhere between there. Obviously not a full amount. I don't think anyone thinks that they're gonna make the two thousand twenty four landing at this point for the artist program but it's also you know. Let's assume eight hundred million. They split the difference. Eight hundred million dollars going towards a human lunar landing system which. It's been a long time since that much. Money has been spent in this way. Obviously with the election result The new administration's gonna come in and have some sort of changes to nasa. Things aren't going to be exactly as they were before. So i see a couple. Different ways isn't go. The new administration would come in and think that a single provider could be covered by eight hundred million dollars and they end up down selecting to just a single provider rather than the two or three that were was theorized previously or this gets drawn out with lower funding levels per year and in that case the longer it goes on. I think the better. The chances are that spacex is the favourite because they obviously are going all in on starship. Blue origin will obviously be building. The dissent element blue moon regardless of what kind of contract they win that the same is true for lockheed martin who's building the ascent element or north grummin who would be building the transfer element. It's possible in that case that blue origin wants to see humans on the moon. Enough that they cover the development of both of those items they actually start contracting with northrop grumman and lockheed martin dianetics. I don't think would go and push on with her lander without a contract. So if that's the way it goes i think blue spacex really are looking more and more like the favorite But we've got a long way to go before that's resolved and on that note Joe biden announced the nasa transition team. At least the initial list of people that would be leading this up. It's going to be led by ellen. Sto fan who was formerly the nasa chief scientist back during the obama administration and she now is the director of the national air and space museum bunch of other very scienc- focused people on the transition team. Couple astronauts in there maybe one astronaut very science and earth science heavy. So not unexpected. That's definitely the direction that people are thinking. The administration will go. It's probably not worth dissecting. The transition team too much. Because i dare you to name somebody that was on the trump transition team. Usually you don't really remember but you get a general vibe. And the trump transition team vibe was back to the lunar focus. The by one seems to be back to planetary science earth science science focus less human focused. But we'll see what they actually develop. Because you know who knows where this goes with where things aren't space policy right now. With a lot of the momentum building internationally for things like the optimist program a lot of agreements signed that puts it in a distinctly different position than past transitions because there was some hardware and work but there wasn't a lot an extra built up around that so easier to throw everything out back then. It might not be so easy this time so we'll see where they land in a couple of weeks. Australia had an announcement this week. That was quite interesting. The australian space agency is getting a new head and it is an enrico palermo. Who is right now. The ceo of virgin galactic. He was one of the first employees at virgin galactic. He worked at the spaceship. Company eventually became the president And then has been the ceo of virgin galactic since january. He's going to be taken over ahead of australian space agency in january. The australian species isn't new agency was only formed in two thousand eighteen but they've quickly tried to get integrated with the major players Specifically the d. I s partners and they very early on committed to the artist's program. They were one of the original eight signatories to the artist's accords. That just announced a couple of weeks back so to be interesting to see somebody who is a very known quantity over this way. Go to be the head of an agency. That's such a promising. Upstart likely has very good relationships with a lot of people in the industry already. And that'll be very helpful to australia. And whatever they hope to do in the future. So we'll see how his tenure goes starting in january and speaking of the artists accords. The ninth signatory has been added and might be a little surprising. Considering the international politics at play but ukraine has signed on to the artist's accords. This makes it way. Less likely that russia will sign on russia and ukraine. Not the best of friends right now to say the least russia not enthused about the artists accords generally so could be interesting to see if there's any comments out of dmitry rogozin now that ukraine signed on officially but that is the ninth and the first to be added on after the announcement of that so always fun to watch that space So let's look at the launches that happened this week. we had. I think it was four launches and starting off over in china galactic energy which is a air quotes. Private chinese launch company need to get andrew jones back on the show to talk about these private companies in china. But this is the second one to reach orbit with their series one booster. It's nineteen meters long. One point four meter diameter the ferrings about one point. Three meters can carry three hundred fifty kilograms to low earth orbit. Two hundred and thirty two cents synchronous orbit and this is another kind of all solid booster three solid stages and liquid upper stage. This launch was out of the john. Satellite launch center carried a fifty kilogram small satellite for Think it was for a shanghai company. I didn't write it down. But that went up to a five hundred kilometer sun synchronous orbit and then over in india. We had a pslv launch. This launch had ten satellites aboard the biggest one was one radar imaging satellite for india. Six hundred and thirty kilograms satellites that that joined to similar satellites that were launched in may and december of twenty nineteen and then the other nine were rideshare payloads for a bunch of different customers. There was a couple of cubesats for cleo space covered lemur two satellites for spire and then a cube sat for nanno avionics of lithuania and all of those went up to five hundred and seventy-five kilometer orbit at Thirty seven degrees so a good launch there after a long stand down for the pandemic for pslv and then back in china we had a long march three. B launched young tong one. Which is a communications satellite for china satcom. This was out of the launch centre. Headed up to go. It was deployed into a transfer orbit. Forty six hundred kilogram satellite. So this is a pretty big boy for long march three b and then finally we had an atlas five out of cape canaveral. This one carrying enroll one. It was pretty big. Booster too is in alice. Five five thirty one three boosters and this was a good watch because it was the first flight with the gem sixty three solid rocket boosters from north of grummin the larger variant of that the gym sixty three xl is what will be used for the vulcan launch vehicle that united launch alliance is working on now so this an important launch for them. They're transitioning away from aerojet rocketdyne boosters to these of grown boosters. We're not quite sure what this was launching yet. It's likely headed up to ammonia orbit. Which is one of these very elliptical orbits that keep these satellite over the northern hemisphere for a very long time. Some people think it's a new satellite data system spacecraft which is a us military communications satellites. But there is some speculation about some other possibilities so better lincoln the show if you wanna see some of the speculation around that But of good launch therefore atlas five after couple of delays which is becoming the norm here for you allay lately which is something to watch so with that. Let's look ahead to next week. Head over to rot. Live to see the upcoming manifest. We do have a couple of good ones coming up I'm recording this on saturday. And tomorrow night november. Fifteen th two thousand seven pm local time out of florida. We've got crew one flying up to the international space station. This is carrying shannon walker so eighteen gucci victor glover and mike hopkins out of kennedy space center on top of a falcon nine. The first operational flight for commercial crew. So this is a big deal to get these four astronauts up to space. This was delayed a day for recovery. Weather so they're actually going to be taking a longer rendezvous route. It was originally going to be an eight hour rendezvous. But now it's gonna be something in the twenty seven an hour range or something like that. So that won't get up to the ice s until monday on november sixteenth. Eight fifty two East coast time. Which is one of november seventeenth one fifty to ut see. We've got a vega launch out of the ghana space center on november eighteenth november nineteenth. One forty four uta switching time zones. Because this one you're going to find your own time zone because this is an electron launch of new zealand. So everyone's time zone is all crazy but this one is as i mentioned earlier. A big deal in this is the first one. They're going to try to recover. It's called returned to sender and it's got a great postage-stamp logo on the fairing carrying a bunch of different satellites and then they're going to try to actually recover this first stage which will be really exciting to watch and then on november twenty first seventeen seventeen. Ut see i think that is like nine am local time out of california. It is a falcon nine launching sentinel. Six four isa. And that'll do it for what is a very long episode of headlines. Thanks to you all out there listening. Who are supporting and getting in your headlines. Feed but for everyone else listening. This is actually going to be the main fee to hope. You enjoyed this Considered heading over to main engine cutoff dot com slash support to get this every week. Thanks for listening. I'll talk to you soon food

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T+162: Grant Bonin, SVP of Business Development at Spaceflight

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T+162: Grant Bonin, SVP of Business Development at Spaceflight

"Welcome to main engine cutoff. I'm ethnic Colangelo. Got, another special guest with us today. Grant in. He is the senior vice president of business development at spaceflight, so we're GONNA. Be talking all sorts of things about space flight to a ton. Recently, they just got acquired. They just signed a bunch of agreements at SPACEX for ride shares on Starlink missions and dedicated flights to sun synchronous orbit. They've also been flying with new launch companies international providers doing a so much that it's kind of hard to fit into a little teaser here upfront. We'll talk a little bit about last mile services. Which is something interesting? Happening in the industry lately. And a lot about the customer side of what people can expect working with spaceflight so I want to talk with him in a second but first. I wanted to update you on the fundraiser. That Jake and I've been running. Or facilitating might be a better word since we are not raising the funds, but a little while back. We talked about a fundraiser that we're doing to help out black girls. Code, and the Banker Institute so head over to donate off nominal dot space to read up on what we're doing there. We've raised about seventy five hundred dollars so far, and that's before all. All of the matching hits, so we've got a little bit of matching room left still so head over there. Check that out and again you're donating directly these organizations, but we have a whole matching program in partnership with a couple of anonymous listeners and Tim Dot, the astronaut, our good friend, so head over to donate dot off nominal that space for the details on that. But for now, let's give grant Nicole. Grant Welcome to manage and cut off. It's a pleasure to have you here after we've sort of had this in the works for a little while now off and on, so it's good to finally have you on the show. No thanks for having me. It's great to be here. When I whenever I do interviews I post to Patriots to give people heads up. They can throw in some questions and things like that and this one When I said that you were coming on. I had a funny line in there because I previously, we met at ICI last year in DC and we were talking about having you come on the show when you were at rocket lab. And at the same time I had potential interview lined up with somebody in your position with spaceflight, so none of the details are right, but we have this person at that position and you on the show, so I feel like through a variety of means I'm accomplishing several interviews with this one right off the bat. While I appreciate that hopefully I i. don't combine the disadvantages of two different guests but manages. No so I. WanNa start there. Though because you've had a really interesting look at the industry from all the different roles that you've had. Throughout your career so far previously, your chief engineer space systems at rocket lab. We talked a good bit of is about what you guys are working on down. There had Peter. Beck on the show a couple of times since. And then now you're over in at spaceflight and business development. And I know before either of those you had worked more on the payload side of things, so you've you've seen the industry from payload provider side from a launch provider side, and now the sales side of things. What does that shift your perspective about each of those different wings? Now that you've seen them all from a different perspective is that. Are you learning a lot about each of these different areas of focus that you didn't really have an appreciation for previously? I. Think that's that's a great question and as you say I've tried to intentionally cultivate up perspective on pretty much. Every discipline early vice that I got in my career when I was getting started, was that. If you break the space world down by a discipline, you can book being kind of nuts and bolts engineer. You can look satellite systems engineering. You can look at propulsion side rocketry side of the business of corporate development side If you spend you know, spend a few years in any particular discipline to acquire about eighty percent of the knowledge associated with it. It will usually take another twenty years the last twenty percent. And then and then your stock now your specialist and you gotTa. Be careful what you're good at right. You gotta be especially capable which Great Act! Because if you're if you become irreplaceable, you also become unpredictable. I'm stealing that line from I think Brad Him. I want to make sure I. Give Him Attribution, but. So I've been very sensitive to that and I've always been. Interested in Cana, looking over the wall. and Saint Hung. What would you do over there? So I think I've been very fortunate I've had a lot of opportunity in my career initially. As a satellite systems engineer working in Canada, where he builds a lot of microsatellites at the space flight, laboratory, and continue recognize their pioneering efforts in small spacecraft development. I came to Silicon Valley to be the chief engineer and later chief technology officer of deep space industries where among other things we re trying to. Proliferate water-based propulsion systems into the market and try to create an ecosystem of customers today the could use what we consider. The resource of the future in their fuel tanks went over to rocket lab and switched that Iraqi lobster fantastic opportunity for me, because it gave me a chance to switch over to the launch side while still doing a lot of space systems works as the chief engineer space systems there and was fortunate enough to get a chance from Peter to stand up the space systems group they're. Architect a lot of the technology roadmap and ought to work on some really cool initiatives rocket lab including that. Capstone Lunar Mission I'm excited to watch fly opportunity there was great, and so and yet you absolutely right? You see from both sides, but. Increasingly In every single one of those stops I found myself doing more and more strategic development and business development and a lot of the. I've really enjoyed The Times in my career. West can have one foot on the technical side and one foot on the customer side and try to make sure that. Things are staying matched but as much as Ivan. been distracting it's hard to do those two very different jobs while at the same time, so eventually as identified kind of made the jump over to spaceflight services And was extremely excited about that. Particularly, because the company was on the eve of completing its acquisition by Mitsui with the watch services part of that business, and now let's stand alone and pursue its mandate in providing launch and transportation services for customers. So that's been I was very excited about the strategic development opportunities that came with that and really I want to work with more rockets, more satellites more customers of all sorts of different sizes. kind of expand out of the smaller fairing and can sue bigger spacecraft into. rideshare offerings that could enjoy bigger economies of scale. So it was a, it was a great journey. In terms of perspective I think if nothing else, it tells you where a lot of the bodies are buried. And what a lot of different sausage factories look like it's astonishing. How similar in cross cutting a lot of the themes are a lot of the challenges are. But at the end of the day, and this is the thing that I care a lot about an ebeidi context. Whether, it's on the satellite side. It's on the launch side or really any aspect of tack at least in my opinion. Fundamentally it's about product market fit. You've got to create great products. Great services offerings for customers. It's very easy to fall in love with your own ideas, even if nobody else does. And you know great products are bought not sold so. They industry is. Full of. Companies and individuals who are looking for a problem to their solution. Who have fallen in love with a particular technology or a particular way of executing something for which there's no ostensible demand. That is really the cross cutting theme that I see, is you? Have Engineers in particular, but people in general really fall in love with. Particular widget herbs secure way of exiting something. That is wholly divorced from solving real world problem. and. Yet that keeps popping up in the the challenge for new space in particular. has been for decades now. Can you establish and create great product market fit? Can you bring something into the market? That solves real problems. Can you create a thing? The customers want to rip at your hands because it's so good because it's so compelling. can you do real business and not have to rely entirely in continuously on government, support or institutional venture financing again again again. On so you see these kind of problems from multiple different perspectives, but you ask kind of cross, cutting themes or lessons learned. That's the recurring theme that I see I think I've been fortunate enough to be a part of companies that. Skin separately from that problem. But it's not without struggle. Because that does that. Address your question. It's sure does your amazing like the breath that you just covered? There is brought up some things in my head as you were talking because. It sort of seems like you have this. View of the industry which feels like a natural fit, probably in a second should explain more about space flight since it's generic word that people might not realize we're talking about a particular company if they're not familiar, so we'll talk more about that a second, but the expansive view of the industry feels like a good fit for spaceflight because. The company is trying to offer services that require to to figure out what the services that are needed. By customers out there you need to have that expansive view of the industry to make sure that you're taking note of certain trends, or who's doing what or what kind of offerings that you could provide that are useful to payload providers, but also match up to what launch opportunities there are out there, so is that something that you feel like is is a common theme within the company, or or maybe is that a reason that you are attracted to their mindset? I think I think the answer is both Excuse me I had been fortunate enough. A couple of jobs go to been customers face point. And so I got to experience the end to end cycle of exactly what it was like to work faithfully, and it was a fantastic experience. This was in the context of doing a set of spacecraft. Launched on their dedicated SOA rideshare mission on a Falcon nine which was the first of its kind, was very familiar with the company coming in and one of the things that I respected and appreciated was the. The breadth of knowledge and The breadth of vision from my standpoint. You know having worked with slightest a customer. They're passionate about you know helping me get a ride into space that I might not otherwise be able to acquire Ford on a great shed. You'll that made sense for me and in as smooth and seamless antenna way as possible, so I came in being socialized to that. selfishly I guess the fact that spaceflight works with. A very large fraction of the industry top to bottom. Addressing many different market verticals, but then also gets a chance to work with. Pretty much every launch provider that is currently operating that is accessible by an American company plus a lot of the emerging ones and I think we'll talk about that a little bit later. it gives you a tremendous amount of insight into how different people do their job. It gives you a lot of business intelligence. It's extremely interesting and useful. It gives you I, think It lets you be present in a way that you might not otherwise be able to be about how different market verticals are evolving If you work in one I, think for example, listen take. I don't Dunno Earth Observation as a market vertical for example, if you work with one or observation company, you know how they do things, and you know how they see the future, and you might have peripheral understanding of how their competitor to. When you work with almost all of them, then you start to develop a complete, I think nuanced understanding of how that market's going to evolve, and it lets you start to create. Predictive metrics for how particular market might evolve a huge passion of mine is space exploration more broadly Having your own initiatives in that area and trying to pursue them. Versus seen everybody's initiatives and how everybody is pursuing it? In again in a detailed way, not an powerpoint way not in a press release. Way On really helps you form a complete picture. and. The fundamentally with spaceflight, the mission vision from my standpoint, his get anyone into space exactly where they want to go. Exactly when they want to go. And with superior flexibility. If we get a chance to work with every launch vehicle provider, we can offer customers arrived on whatever launch vehicle nick sense in a way that no single provider can assure. A given customer so You know that's that's really what I found extremely compelling about space flight in particular and. As you said socialize people. The space flight I I. Think I just did it, but in the ops in order what I wanted. To. Spaceflight considers itself to be the the leading satellite rideshare mission management provider in the world We've manifested. We've manifested more than three hundred spacecraft for flight will be launching our. Two, hundred nine hundred seventy second through three hundredth in the coming days, as of this recording on a combination of space x Starlink flight and Vega return to flight mission which are both. Now for almost back toback launches across a couple of days in this late June twenty two thousand time frame. That kind of access and I kind of opportunity to to get people into space fantastic, and that's what space flights have been doing it for years The! Acquisition of the launch side by Mitsui. Let's only continue to do that and hopefully accelerate by bringing new offerings into the marketplace The other thing I'd say about that and I was just thinking about this is that. And I've said this before some recycle my own material, but you don't have to rewind very far into the past to see a time when our F- Our. Future in space, dependent on the decisions of three countries and couple billionaires. Whatever always been passionate about one of the reasons I started with small spacecraft is I was excited by future with a larger number of lower cost missions, but more broadly. I wanted to see US create space program for the rest of us. And I loved working with small satellites. 'cause you could get customers. Emission done cheaply and quickly I love working with small launch because you could be responsive and you could do dedicated uber lift type. Delivery. For small customers spaceflight. We can do that for everybody. We can get anybody up. As close to a practical when they want to go where they WANNA go. And we're going to expand our service offerings as well so complete and round out that picture. Yeah, I WANNA get into all the specifics of the market itself and manifesting, Amman various launch vehicles as you've said, but let's just close the loop on the acquisition a little bit This acquisition was closed recently. It was in the works for a couple of months. It sounds like I I'm curious about how it's going to affect the company. You mentioned that it's going to let the launch side focus on the launch side more and I think that's a reference to there being these two halves of spaceflight which is black sky. Sky, and spaceflight INC which manifests payloads on different rides. So what is the interaction there between the two parts of the company and the acquisition is just of that launched manifesting side of things So what what kind of effect would we see out of that? And how does it change the interaction at all between the two wings of space industries? Yes I think that. As you say the the launch services side spaceflight through my work now kind of stand apart as our own separate entity. Separate from Black Sky, which is developing Earth Observation Constellation really I think for a long time. They were complementary And we continue to work with black sky to date them wash services, but really what this acquisition dies is let's each business unit or each company standalone stand apart and double down and focus on its own vision for the future lack skies pursuing. I don't want to. I'm not a particularly great spokesperson for them. so forgive me if any of this inaccurate, but fundamentally a black skies developing a great concentration multi-spectral Earth observation spacecraft. That is the business that they're focusing on all of the services that come with that You'd imagine that that's very different from trying to provide a commercial wash services for number of customers, so they're a very different kinds of businesses that require a different strategies and a benefit from the highest level of focus practical. So different way of saying that is that while the relationship between the companies remains strong, and we can to do business together This was the win win scenario. And what the acquisition allow us to do really is as I kind of alluded to. It really let's take the next step. In our own strategic planning because. Our offerings have started with satellite rideshare. And doing a lot of the mission, management and Engineering Services and supportive. But we've got our own ambitions for the next five to ten years, and beyond look like and they're. They're very tightly aligned with. Mitsui's ambitions as well Um which is one of the major selling points for me in making this transition in terms of implications for the company from my standpoint, it really just gives us a mandate to go out and pursue our vision at full speed, though having the cross coupled. Challenges of two different companies that need to do different things. TO KEEP THEIR BUSINESSES Does that make sense. It absolutely does yeah, and now that black skies kind of a customer of space, and maybe they always have been in in everyone's mind, but. You've got this rideshare coming up. In a couple of days here. It's interesting to use that as an example, because even with a company has integrated I assume they went through many of the same flows as a typical spaceflight customer does. or or was it more opportunistic than that? Because these starling ride shares worn announced that long ago and here we are black. Skies got to on the next flight here. So how does that come about, and was it always a collaboration tightly between the two companies, or was this an organic black sky approaching spaceflight and saying we need a ride? We've got. We've got Agreements Bocskai that both predated me. In joining the company for Watch services, but then also will continue to extend into the future. Again. That's two mutual benefit because I think. I hope the the last guy or other customers recognized that you know we can work with more vehicles have experienced manifesting people in integrating people to more launch vehicle. Spin any other service provider. In terms of how that comes about I mean sometimes these deals are done years and events for particular launch. Sometimes they're done under the structure of Master Services Agreement and we'll move customer vehicle to vehicle until both the customer is ready, and we've identified launched capacity to get them exactly to the operating orbits. They want to go on. The starling. Opportunities are fantastic, and we're going to continue to be the beneficiary of that as well as SPACEX is other small satellite launch opportunities the starling corporates can be low, and there's not, and there's very demand for mid inclination so often. It requires a customer to have their own. Propulsion solutions to boost their spacecraft from relatively low altitude into their intended operating orbit black sky. Ones are particularly Make me very happy because we back at it might be facing his develop the water base propulsion used in blacks, guy satellites so I have have confidence in the spacecraft being able to bring their orbits up to steal. Oh Yeah I've created my own self licking ice cream cone I guess. The the No, the the The starling opportunities are going to be great for Black Sky, and they're great for customers that want Mitt inclination and have the repulsive capability to achieve on a longer term operating orbit That's also something that spaceflight will increasingly be talking about his ability to help with. Those last mile transportation solutions if they're wired. Really being able to if a customer doesn't have the propulsion capability to achieve the final station that they want to operate from. That's something we can help with as well so when I talk about US doing space transportation from my standpoint, it's not just about launch. Increasingly. We're to be talking coming months out exactly what we mean. There, and exactly what the offerings going to be but as much as we continue to work with every provider to get customer exactly where they want. will continue to bring in a variety of options for in-space transportation. So we can mix and match to get customer exactly what they want to go. And, but yeah, so circling all the way back guess. With black sky. We've got the sort of long term agreement that we're starting to do increasingly for customers. You talk about that a little bit more, but really what it was down to these. Essentially true service agreements where a customer can come to us and enter into a contract. That's almost like a subscription service for launch. The way that launch his are booked when you go directly to provider or the way that often. Launches off looked by us in the past can extremely casual intensive for customers who want to launch a very large number of spacecraft, but they don't always know exactly what to wear. A subscription model starts make a lot of sense You have roaming fees if you need to move to a niche vehicle or very specific launch opportunity, but broadly in an industry where cash and cash flow king. We really want to increasingly move to these bigger agreements with Constellation customers where they get a quote unquote. You know one low monthly payment. Smoothed over entire period, the contract's performance and we take care of launch for them in whatever way makes the most sense when it makes sense to lock it in. So. Is that a situation where? And this goes for I guess standard non subscription customers as well are you? Are they paying spaceflight directly? And then spaceflight is finding the best launch and paying the launch providers, or is it something that they're paying spaceflight forest service kind of travel agent, but you're still going to end up paying the airline for your airplane ticket. They're just finding the right match for you. How does that relationship work out on on? What is kind of a triad of companies? I think the short story. The short answer is varies, but that's not a very funny answer. It'd be a very boring podcast if Any questions. I will not be taking follow questions. The the truth is they're very still, but what we really do is we try to bundle launch service side of it with the mission management and engineering services as well. When a customer and I think a lot of people found this. When a customer goes directly to launch vehicle divider. Might be able to realize a great price per kilogram. But. The price isn't always the price. It typically does not include a very large number of. Things that have to happen in logistics in engineering, Integration Services and broadly mission management that get the customer out of their loading dock and onto a rocket. And so while. The launch vehicle pricing can be enticing for customers and prompt them to want to go directly to launch vehicle provider. They quickly realized that the costs. Are that the prices and price, so we try to bundle that as one all inclusive package where you come in you, basically you either purchase a launch on. One C Tuesday basis from us or you purchase broader services and we take care of every. That includes sporting regulatory side of things that includes the degration services that I to before and we really just try to make it as smooth and seamless for customers possible. The other thing that I think. Is can be missed on, but it's. Is that oftentimes when customer engages up launch vehicle provider. For flight. You Up! Provider has to be delayed or even shut down because of a business or technical failure. That customer can be. Trying think of the nonprofit profanely say this just might be out of luck. Whereas what we kind of try to do is provide an intrinsic insulation against the otherwise brittle nature of point point contracts. If you if he manifested, you want particular launch, but either its primary is delayed or launch vehicle wires selfless delayed. We can move the off shoot earlier line in whatever way makes business since we. Way decouples you from the success or failure of that one single launch vehicle provider. You might otherwise want to home. Run Your Business, too, so there's a premium associated with that flexibility, but we think the value that flexibility ways screen. And those are the kind of I. Guess you can structure, so we put in place. Deals whom do. You mentioned that you know that you could go to any launch provider and get a better deal per kilogram or whatever, but that it's not an all inclusive Look at what your mission is is that? Does that feel similar Lee? I don't want to say mismatch directly, but do you think that? Having been on the launch side previously that launch companies might not have the right organizational setup to deal with. The needs of sometimes very small customers when they're dealing with maybe a dedicated rideshare or even secondary payload GonNa stuff that to me. It feels from the outside that there are launch companies that have a lot of other things on their mind. They have a lot to worry about when they are conducting a launch, and they might not be the right organization for customers, but I'm I'm curious. If having been on both sides, you feel like that or maybe this is me missing missing. Something from the launch vehicle side themselves. I think. I think it's a good observation In various I don't think that I can make generalization across all watch people providers, but some spacecraft easier, the news and Is absolutely getting case that there will be missions where it makes sense for traffic. To work directly with the provider has perhaps they really may, they might have. They might have a number of apartments that makes them want to release five that. Customer Journey. The flip side if you've gone. oftentimes very small spacecraft, but oftentimes as well very exotic spacecraft informed factor. Launch Vehicle Fire. Do they want to touch that? They want to deal with so. There's a difference combined port. On Chico versus trying figure out the software integration small. On those areas where we can Sarah be specialists, those are big. East flashing, but I think some of the most important things we do on the back end. Is Supporting degration into. Any washable. We've worked with all of them except All. Long March, but we look at every walk provider that we can manage on American company. You know where a lot of the Harvard musts. Whereas the A lot of the customers that especially for some customers might not be fully aware of that longer journeys challenges. They're going to hit and some of the quote unquote equitable justice. Contracts correspondent integration challenges downstream. We really do try and make sure prices the price, but certainly back to the first comment you need. And, I think this is. I I applied. How great rocket lobbyists at the convenient customer journey is one of the things that I thought was exceptionally well done when I was there, and so if you're in a payload class, specific mission needs that makes sense a lot of time. It makes sense to go directly to provider like rocket loud. You'll pay a premium for the white glove service, but I still pay premiums, take an uber someone train on Becker negawatts and. If you're not ill class if you're in that smaller size loss. But Peter? Back would be one of the first people to point out a lot of emerging launch. Vehicle providers don't even think about the customer journey. They're trying to think about getting a vehicle flying. By the Delta in how you have to construct a successful launch company. Or the challenges. Creates Successful Launch Company. Don't end after your first test flight. Because a lot of the time, not only have you not develop infrastructure or the e service Service to gas hostile again from their loading docks your rocket, obviously also having fought through. The production silence. The AH. Joke that I think. I don't WanNA tribute system also. Have that caveat in there, but. Building that second or third rocket. Is a lot harder than building that first suggests. Switching gears from are needed productions very hard in there. I believe unfortunately it will be a lot of shipwrecks on that shore, but at the same time we we think the. Optimistic for. About success of some of these emerging smaller launch vehicles providers bear size classes. They can arguably enjoy. Somewhat, larger total addressable market as I think you and I talked about just prior podcasting. We try make sure that we work with all of them. They're part of our portfolio of us. Yeah and that's. That's the thing I want to get into a little bit here there. There are so many launch vehicles in developed today as you're talking about there, but there's also you know things like that Falcon nine rideshare That came at small sat last year. So even existing launch providers are changing up what they offer and I'm curious what it's like for a customer that might be signed up with space flight. To be shifting around between vehicles, is that something? They have a lot of visibility, and is it something they're driving? And what is the? Thing if you will for getting one of these new launch launchers that might be attractive to some customers into the space flight system. So it can. So okay, so I guess starting with. The customer experience what we try to do is we try to give customers maximum amount of transparency and the simplest process for? Changing because there is such a significant disparity between the pricing of different launch vehicles. We have to make sure that we're. Responsible for our business, and how he price that out, but again you hoped that retry design these things such that the value outstrips premium customers might take. I think that we're able to offer more flexibility and more transparency than ever before some of that is really facilitated by what's basics brought to the market and as Some of your listeners may be aware. Spaceflight considers SPACEX offerings in particular. Be Highly complimentary of reasons. I think I just mentioned We can do a lot of the ten mission management integration services that support getting customer onto spacex launch is. If the particular mortgage. They're going to make sense. As X realizes the best price per kilogram in the market. Themselves, so see that is highly complimentary why we're excited to enter into long-term wash agreement SPACEX for rideshare services that. Yes secures capacity. Let us deliver the mission management and lowers costs watches. We're. We're pretty excited about that, but then if. Customer needs to go up in between when those opportunities exist to in orbit does not facilitate those opportunities We try to expose the full manifesto. Our launch capacity to our customers screaming as we can. I think we're getting better at that. Really intend only get better at that We really just want to update the menu as much as we can. And if a customer comes to US says while I want to move to this different launch vehicle, because I'm not going to get the orbit that I wanted and we tried to socialize customers factor launch almost always as always small, Sally wrote moved to the right condition degree study embrace to look at that launched laser part of life, so when a customer comes and says this launch delays prohibitive to work. We try to make sure they know exactly with any of their options. And we also have initiatives are going to try to hopefully allow us to do that faster. Than it's been contemplated before. It can still take several months kind of switched. There's a lot of people associated with this logistics. We're trying as hard as we can. And successfully to really reduce lead time so switching to a different vehicles well on part of that is making sure that we secure the capacity in advance. Part of that is making sure that we're sat up to execute that moment's notice that we're ready for it. And be part of that is just working the customer front to ensure adequate planning from Wisconsin regions, trying to get a seamless as possible I think it's only gonNA get better if for no other reason than the large variety of vehicles in our overall portfolio. There are way too many launch vehicles to count. That are trying to come online in the next couple of years. I learned about a new one. Swear every. I think that's accurate? Yeah, so on that note, though is there. Are there particular criteria or things that launch vehicles need to meet in order for spaceflight to consider them or is the criteria? Are you building a rocket? That's actually going to launch. Is that the one criteria or is there more to it than that? I think it's a spectrum. It's is a risk price trade off. For a launch vehicle provider is early. But regarding home. We have some optimism. If. We're going to take the risk to secure that capacity. The prices speak miserable. Not. That gives us a lot of opportunity right because we can get in with merging launch vehicle providers early. Purchase capacity at low cost wholesale. And if they're successful, be able to tail it out later, but upfront. We've managed down that price in way. That manages our risk for file. So it can be a win-win scenario for launch fighters that are trying to get early traction market We can eat early customer, but the price has to be aligned with the risk posture because the bottom line is. Unfortunately has this very large number of merging requires going to fail? There is any There's a fun space fund that has great. Index, relisting of all the different launch vehicle providers that have been proposed and I think they're tracking something like one hundred three. In Bill on their website speaks from DOT com. And updated like insane every week, so they're all full by. She'll watch vehicle providers, but I think it's also easy to separate the credible ones from the incredible wounds on, but we try to get them early. Because that's when the price is most advantageous to us, we have some customers that are willing to take risks and be manifested on the first maiden flight. Of New Vehicle. We have other customers who you might imagine session. Aerospace are risk averse they WANNA touch, early Facetti or meeting place with a ten foot pole. And then everything in between often that cost risk trails. So The seems like the recurring answer. Have for you is it depends but really. But we we do try to at least evaluate them all. And as soon as we think, we can responsibly security pass that he we usually do. Too I think the net benefit of our customers. For something like the I know, we're running low on time, so let me know when you've got to get out of here, but. The one of the things that I'm curious about on this SPACEX agreement on. This, is something that we can talk about even, but when you say, it's a multi launch agreement and you've secured long-term. manifests with them. Is that that that you have purchased a certain amount of each of those launches, or is it more that you've signed some sort of agreement that you're going to be basically marketing these slots that are available, but anything you don't sell is is space XS to sell? Oh yeah, it's. It's It's a mixed bag. In this case, we do expect the will continue out. It depends I. Think we think we've done before? We'll continue to go out and when it makes sense, purchase an entire vehicle. But with SPACEX. It's really about making sure we've secured off. The seats secured through secured ports. That deal right now runs through the end of two thousand twenty one. It secures a certain amount of capacity for us in the ability to increase that capacity but yeah with this in the context of this space x arrangement at securing. The slots. We're not buying this whole vehicles. So the small satellite rideshare missions are also complimented correspond Starlink watch opportunities, which we hope to continue to take advantage of as well. Yeah that wasn't original agreement or the announcement of the agreement. Is that a separate thing in in its own right? Because the a the announcement just had sun synchronous orbits. The I mean we're. GonNa continue to manifest on starlike missions and all. That's part of our broader. Working. Relationship is face vans. Awesome? It's unfortunate. There's not so many of those flights to to manifest space on. You know so. It's really infrequent these days. On? Like you were trying to figure out where I was going. What? Every third day. It's. Like, we have to have to take a step back. You know it's really funny I. You can imagine this I think. We talked about this at I. See at core. I am a fan boy. I remember I was sitting at a lunch meeting. When that I falcon heavy flight went off, and they landed those roosters side by side. and. We were just sitting around the table and we were just blown away. We're like Oh my God that's so cool. Have a beer and celebrate. With those like three years ago or something, time flies but I think you have to recognize how extraordinary SPACEX has been. In evening to this market, completely disrupting owning launch exciting people and it's It's just frankly it's a privilege to be partnered with such a visionary company that's managed to. Really succeed on pretty much everything that split lines, so it's really when we completed that deal. And when we get customers on any launch vehicle were excited, but If we're talking about SPACEX. It's really hard not to be. Fan boy mode. So it's a real privilege trust with them, and hopefully complement their offerings yet it it does seem even from the outside complementary, because the time line here of Soa flew as we talked about that was a spaceflight mission that was manifested by you on a Falcon nine, and then SPACEX had SDP to which was one of the Falcon heavy flights, in which they manifested way too many payloads, and I don't know if it's any indication that maybe they've had enough of that, but now they're back with a long term agreement with spaceflight, so I feel like it's. It's a natural pairing. that. That sets up nicely for both companies, so it's cool to see that continuing and you know I'm excited to watch all these new launch. Vehicles fly in. Have so much capacity I think the only thing. Is that everybody listening out? There needs to keep building payloads for it that I. Know that's that's one thing that's always scary to people. Building small launch solutions out there that we got to have stuff to launch. I think that's that's a really interesting observation. In I think it's I don't I wouldn't wanNA. Be Controversial to the to the detriment of. Mike Justice but. With that, said here, my hot takes. With that disclaimer having been offered. But it's interesting because. I think that people expected the current price of launch to be entering a regime of last city and it hasn't been. Just as observed by Tori Bruno Away You know even with the falling cost launch. Spacecraft developing costs not fallen incommensurate way. And even when we talk about the mega constellations that are in development. You know people talk about mass production? Nothing in aerospace happens in mass production. Your best case scenarios high volume production, arguably even for the mega constellations. So you see a lot of when you see, I. Think Launch Companies that have business plan predicated on, Mega Constellation. That can be a reason to be skeptical. The failure of Web two-tier realize felt like harbinger and meet. People wonder if we were having a flashback to the earlier part of the century with Mega constellations kind of going. Going pop. It can be Brittle to Base Your Business Automated Constellation, and it becomes really tricky because I think adding SPACEX is shown, you know this is how you do it, not without challenges starving. But if you're a small launch vehicle provider. That wants to hinder business. Mega Constellation can fly two or three of a mega constellations spacecraft once. That becomes intrinsically rate limiting and then two. If that particular constellation customer feels materialize, it can topple. The broader business watching provider, so it's all. You don't want to create a house of cards. But you do see a number of houses rear skeptical about. The wallpaper is all cards. And so again this is speaks to in my opinion, anyway, the imports of having. The maximum diversity of launch options awesome so that after we deal constellation customers. They don't WanNa. Be Tied using launch vehicle. They're afraid of the business failure or tactical failure with the launch vehicle. And then we also went diversify launch vehicle side because we do service providers that have gone all in on e., concentration, customer and back in dangerous so. It's going to be super interesting to see this evolve. The I would love to claiming more precious about the evolution industry and I've had, but like it's guesswork who's going to succeed from my standpoint who is? The, it's the wild west. In your one day. All of a sudden they're global pandemic completely shot at the operation half ministry, so It's you never know what's GonNa. Come out of left field actually so we try to build. Flexibility as he value into everything we do. We're running low on time. That's feels like a good place ended I'm I'm sorry we're not gonna be able to get to ornithology today. I know you've had a lot of announcements on that side of your life as well so. Love to have you back for that sometime soon. For the listeners who aren't familiar with that I decided that never never given you. The opportunity thrown throw throw my hat in the ring with others and develop an alternative launch solution. It's I think by any meaningful metric. It outstrips any other launch vehicle divider performance certainly. In terms of? Revenue compared to initial investment succeeding ends impulsive, intrinsically immune to the current crisis. We face in pandemic and also fluctuations in the marketplace. That's if I don't manage the twitter account for that moment. I don't really do this anymore. Joke that took off and number of people by the way to called me and said hey is real. We've depressing and particularly depress listeners, but to the extent that advertising capability to widely is intrinsically career limiting. I think you're right. It is good time. Grant. Thank you so much for coming on I'm sure we'll be talking a lot more in the future. As some of these things start to happen, so thanks again and hope you are holding up out there I. Know you've been dealing with the pandemic. Just like all of us so hope it's going well. Healthy and safe, and as long as that's true, everything else is negotiable. Thanks grant. Thank you. This was fun. Thanks, again to grant for coming on the show, it is always a pleasure talking with him. He is a wonderful human to spend time with so I hope you get a better sense of what spaceflight offers and the way that fits in the market, and there's obviously a lot of trends that are happening in the market right now. So it's interesting. Cross section of a lot of the things. We talk about here on the show every single week. But could not do these kind of things without your support. There are four hundred and twenty three of us supporting the show every single month head over to main engine cutoff dot com slash support. If you want to join the crew over there, and that includes thirty eight executive producers who produced this episode of main engine cutoff. Thanks to Brandon Matthew Simon Chris Pat Match George Brad Ryan Nadeem Peter Donald Lee Chris Warren. Bob Russell John. John Maurice Joe Yawn Grant David Eunice Rob Tim Dodd the astronaut. Frank Julian Enlarged Agile Space Tommy. Atom seven anonymous executive producers. Thank you all so much for your support. As always it means a lot helps. Keep this thing going and keeps people like grant coming on the show, so thank you got any questions or comments Send them to me, Anthony at managing cutoff dot, com, or on twitter at we have go once again, thanks.

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T+172: Lunar Politics

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33:52 min | 10 months ago

T+172: Lunar Politics

"Low End. Welcome back to cut off. I'm Anthony Angelo always one of the check in on the state of lunar politics. This seems like a good week last week. Was I see? This is a huge conference of the year last year was in DC Jake and I went down to it this year virtual. Obviously. Considering the state of the world's but there were a couple of I mean there was a ton of announcements. If you're a member of the headlines level over on main engine cutoff, dot com slash support. Last week's headline show was like twenty five minutes or something. There were ton of news announced that I see. And a lot of it did surround the focus on humans to the moon right now in under the guise of the is program and other nations contributions to that project participation in it. And it did kind of shape a lot of the conversation especially the first two days. I always starts out with this. Panel with all the heads of all the different space agencies they're not all of them but a lot of them. And that always is kind of what you expect. Right everyone talks for a couple of minutes about the things they're doing, and then a couple of questions that are a little bit more general and everybody talks about how collaborations is good and competition is also good but collaboration, it's better. And a lot of that kind of stuff. But there's always like one or two things you can draw out of it or things that are interesting to note from it. So. I WanNa talk about some of that. I also want to talk about the news that happened the day after with the first couple of countries signing onto those artists accords that we talked about I guess I should look up when I did that show the cords that was episode. One hundred end thought it didn't just about the artist's cords one, fifty eight maybe about Douglas and then there's a little bit about the end about the artist's accords at the end of that. Everything. I. Said they're still holds up about what I think about the courts but now we have some people signed on to that. So I want to talk about the effects of that. And then I want to check in a couple of weeks away from the election here in the US and that's always a volatile time for NASA in in politics. Whenever there's a change of administration. NASA seems to get tossed about and I want to talk about some the possibilities. We might see there especially regarding what we hear from the international politics political community here on space world think all this ties together neatly in a way. That's a nice political check in the state of the lunar exploration and everything else that we might see in the next ten years. So let's start off with that is the panel. Really the one thing that came out of this. Again nothing new if you've been following long but Dmitry, Rogozin who's the head of roscosmos was there And he was talking some smack about the fact that he sees gateway as to US centric. And that is why they are not going to be participating in a large scale. And he said for that to change, the program have to be based on the principles of international cooperation that were used for I assess where all decisions are being taken collectively. This one caused a little bit of a stir. He went on to say wants to see things like docking port standardization and interoperability and things like that to which NASA Administrator Jim Brian Stein did a blog post which I love when he posts on his blog because it's always sort of long sub tweet. And he's talking about the fact that shared standards are already part of the plans for this in specifically to the whole US centric thing and how it should be based on the ISS. Gateway, which is the plan to build out a small space station around the moon with NASA contribute some. Isa. Contributing some Jaksa, and all the partners that are currently in existence on the ice contributing a piece or some sort of functionality or some contribution to that project where we would then stage landings to the moon and it would be sort of a staging location for some lunar activities generally. That project is going to be guided under the international or the Intergovernmental Agreement I always get one wrong. It's called the IGA and that is the thing that guides the way the is this is built out and they're going to be using that for the Gateway Project that was established pretty early on it was all the same players they've already done the paperwork. So it seemed easy enough to take that and take what they've done in the Isis and do it at the gateway. So that is already the case. For the gateway itself where it differs. Is going down to the surface when you go down to the surface in Nasr's mind that's kind of their thing they've been champion for the past couple of years the artist's project. That is to land humans on the moon and to do that NASA is sort of requiring that you sign on to the artist's accords which are set of principles to that fall under the guise of the outer space treaty fits within that and it clarifies a couple of things we'll talk about a bit of, but that is the extra agreement needed for surface activity. So in this case Rogozin. He it doesn't really line up with what we know about the project at this point. And that's where I think you can start to untangle where this is coming from from a Goldens when you think about what Russia is working with in low-earth orbit, he also said they wanna see long-term extended stay in low earth orbit for the Russian space, industry. And apparently they want to contribute to gateway. And this makes a Lotta Sense. When you think about the state of the Russian space industry, I am not going to be the kindest person. You'll hear talk about the Russian space industry is. Total stagnation at this point in other cases, failure in, we've had a lot of reliability issues with Russian hardware over the past couple of years. But what they do best is flying things that have long heritage making incremental improvements continuing to fly that hardware. And they don't do great at new. Development. There's been a couple of modules making their way to the s four years. Now they've had things like Angora, which is this launch vehicle they've been working on for I know decades at this point. An entire SOS behind, schedule? And then they've obviously been talking up new crew vehicles they've been talking up of new launch vehicles in none of these things sounds like the ice models might actually make it up soon but you know the stuff that is newly developed has a very hard time getting to the launch pad and getting off of earth over in Russia. And when you look at the gateway, gateway is entirely new development. If they're gonNA contribute anything, it's something that their current hardware cannot really fly out and beyond that it does require new things especially that new crew vehicle they're talking up. Bigger. Launch vehicles and that is not where Russia shines at all in the current state of things. So partially, it sounds to me some maybe some you know Cya from Dmitry Rogozin trying to be a little bit conservative there and cover up what is a weakness of the Russian space industry and doing it under a guise of its to US centric. We don't want to be part of that anyway. We'll just kind of threaten you with. Some collaboration with the. Chinese. Space programs and. Whatever else any other upstarts that we might find interesting? That's kind of the game they're playing there. Because like I said, it doesn't really line up with the way that things are already laying out. I think we're NASA really turning the screws to the Russian space program is the fact that the artists accords are what's required to get down to the surface and there might be some things in there. That Russia does not agree with just because maybe I don't know why wouldn't necessarily because I think there's a lot in there that even China would agree with WHO is the most opposed to some things that the US holds? Dear right now, specifically the openness of data sharing scientific data and data about your vehicles in orbit. Sometimes. China's launching without any notifications at all airspace closures the like. Certainly they have stages crashing down onto villages in. China. So there's certain things that wouldn't fly here and don't fly with a mental model of NASA specifically. But Russia is sort of being antagonistic in some ways like this. Not only going back a couple years to end Dmitri goes into saying well, maybe the the NASA astronauts the whole in Soyuz on orbits. Stuff like that is just really antagonistic and it's kind of in a style lately this seems like yet another one, but maybe a little bit of protecting himself as well. From something that he knows is not the shining point of Roscosmos these days. Now on the flip side the next day. It was announced that seven countries have signed onto the optimists accords with NASA. So there are now eight artemis accords con countries he's resigned. It looks like these are signed between NASA and the Space Agency's of these other countries. It's interesting in that it's not the European Space Agency. But as you'll see, a couple of member countries are actually signed on but from their own national space agencies, I'm not exactly sure why that is the case I'm sure there's some. Back Room stuff some behind closed doors stuff that makes it easier to interact with these state level agencies rather than the cooperative European space. Agency. Considering the fact they've got like twenty two member states. So maybe it's hard to coordinate all that. Maybe they don't have You know maybe that would take a very long time to get all of those member states to approve of the signing. I'm not exactly sure that breaks down, but then the last minute read. A list of countries that have signed on in alphabetical order as listed on the announcement of this Australia. Canada. Italy Japan Luxembourg UAE United Kingdom, and the United States of America. A couple big ones missing here. Obviously, you heared Italy in UK. Four of the European Space Agency member-states France and Germany are missing. I would be shocked if those were not like the first two that got announced after this as part of this announcement was said, there's going to be a couple more countries announced in the near future as signatories but these are the that I guess we're ready. To make this announcement, and over the past year, we've heard NASA and other agencies signing these memorandum of understanding signing these agreements where there weren't a lot of details really sketched out other than this is an agreement that says we kind of know exactly what we're GonNa do in the future to work together on the optimist program and it sort of sounded like NASA was trying to line up a group of countries that would be ready to announce this at ICI I'm sure the plans were to have a big unveiling in person as they're all signing the paper together. Great Photo OP. Zoom but that is the twenty twenty world we live in. A, but it seemed like all of those things we've been talking about the last couple of months were lining up for this big unveiling moment. Now, a lot of these countries are people you would expect to be in here with NASA? A lot are not surprising but like Oh cool. They're they're in this group. But I what? What are the artists chords? Generally, there are a believe it was like ten or maybe eleven principles as defined in their pdf you can I guess it's like eight actual principles after you get through the two intro sections there. And these are things that can apply under the Outer Space Treaty but actually clarify some of the things that NASA would like to see in terms of operating on the surface and doing some more extensive operations where there might be multiple parties on the Leonard Service or Lu- lunar orbits, and really just kind of a principal guideline that you'd like the international community generally to move forward with to become maybe to become the defacto law of space in the future. Reading the titles of those sections number one peaceful purposes, number two transparency, which is being open about their data and their. You know what their plans are generally. Number three interoperability to make sure that exploration systems can interact. Maybe fuels or or Landing Systems, communication systems, power systems, all that kind of stuff should be interoperable some level so that they can work together in the future emergency assistance. So that's helping each other out of your. Very far away from home registration of space objects. Pretty Plain and simple their release of scientific data preserving outerspace heritage. This is basically keep off of the Apollo landing sites. Space Resources. This is. Basically. Clarifying that in Nasr's view utilizing resources and space does fall under a can comply with the Outer Space Treaty and is not an a thing that goes against that as is a common argument. deconfliction of space activities, which essentially boils down to safe areas or zones around landers or bases. And making sure that those don't. Interact poor way like maybe you're landing on the moon and if you close, you're gonNA pay the other person with. At you know a billion miles an hour or whatever it is. Citizens Principles around that. That's actually the longest section of this whole thing. The last one is orbital debris. So. That's you know taking care to make sure that you clean up under certain about the time. We have some guidelines for that here in the US. Other countries have different provisions for that but this would kind of aim to establish a baseline. So those are the general areas and essentially you could read this a couple of ways these the things that here in the US, there is strong agreement that are the things we need. To be established to do the kind of things that we wanna do on the lunar surface on the Martian surface anywhere in space and these things are are not necessarily partisan. This isn't something that could only happen under the trump administration. I think these things are generally agreed upon by both parties in the US for sure and a lot of people in the space industry generally. So it does seem there's maybe some arguments about space resources. And exactly how to handle heritage sites and even active landers and things like that. But generally there's a lot of agreement on the way these things should be shaped. So in that, you know that's the first real statement. There is at NASA says, these are the things that are important to us if we're going to be stepping up our game on the lunar surface and then the other way to read it is these are the things that we would be. Okay with China agreeing to because right now, we have very little insight into their plans. They are somewhat unpredictable and we don't really know which way they're going to go. So if they follow these guidelines, we'd be okay with those kind of the two extremes it's probably somewhere in the middle there but. Then, when you look at the countries signed onto this. Let's talk a little bit about why each ones that are here and what may be surprising. WHAT'S NOT FIRST UP? There's some like Canada Italy Japan UK. That are not surprising at all here you know Canada has already committed to building three for the gateway. Italy is where Tallies Alenia headquartered who has built the pressurized vessels for half of is s they built all the modules the PM's that were up on station are still are up on the station they are going to be building a big portions of the gateway they obviously, like I said, they build. cygnus. So the first habitation module is going to be built by tallies. Elena at least the pressure vessel and then they just won an award of to build the pressure. Vessels for the two modules that European Space Agency is going to be contributing to gateway wants the international habitation module and the refueling module that has a little bit of pressurized volume. So if you want any kind of pressurize space, you're probably going to be working with Tallies Elena and you're gonna be having a close relationship with them and the speed and see so not surprising that there on the list Japan Jackson has been a close collaborator on the Isis Program and a lot of other things like different missions out into deep space and then they've also been talking. Building Building Ma Rovers and things like that for the lunar surface itself as part of the program. So not a big surprise there the UK obviously, very close relationship there the three that are interesting is Luxembourg. There are members of ISA, but you don't often hear them except for when it comes to space resources those they were one of the first countries to get out there and really make it clear that if you set up shop in Luxembourg, you're going to be able to go out and harvest space resources and make use of them. So they pushed very heavily into that area and I would not be surprised to see or not be surprised to learn that they're signing on specifically for the space resources side of this considering it something they've been so intent on in the past. And then there's the to upstarts Australia, and the UAE they both pretty new space agencies. Has Been. Looking. For some grand missions to start off with, they've got Mars. Hope on its way out to Mars right now they sent up an astronaut pretty recently and they've got some more in the pipeline. So they're looking to come out of the gate and really get going. Kind of revitalize what they're known for and make themselves a name and space. So they've been getting cozier and cozier they weren't super open about. Mars. Hope. So hopefully as they get a little bit more integrated into this list of partners, that's one of the things that you would hope to see them open up a little bit. And then Australia, there are very new but one of the first things they said was we're going to be contributing to the artist's program. So they're looking to jump in and become partners. They have close relationships with a lot of the countries on this list, not only in terms of you know historically, but also intelligence community. The five is countries New Zealand's missing from here, but wouldn't be shocked to see them as a future edition. So all in all the real big surprise is that France and Germany aren't on the list but other than that, I could reason about why these countries were included. There was a statement from a Chinese official on this afterwards, and it was surprising that it sounded much more open to this kind of thing. Then you might have imagined because that has been the kind of political angling these here in the US is we got a set standards out there before China does and their statement was basically like. We support the peaceful use of outer space. We believe that it is important to be able to utilize resources in space under the Outer Space Treaty, we're ready to keep talking with international partners and cooperate with them as needed. Right now, NASA can't talk to any Chinese officials about space is barred by what's called the wolf amendment. And But they do kind of have these like public communication channels where someone who make a statement and somebody will respond to that statement in article or through some interview, and it's a way to sort of bounce information back and forth between the two parties. But generally, they do seem you know down with the same kind of stuff that's out in the arguments cords and I believe I even said that back in that show that I referenced there's stuff in here that I think given China's roadmap generally as they've laid out as much as they lay out that sort of thing. There's a lot in the ornaments cords that would make perfect sense for them to jump in on and solidify as the way that things are. There's a lot of commonality in in what NASA wants to do, and what's whatever arm of the Chinese space industry would be taken. This on would WANNA do once they get to the lunar surface. So it's much more open to this kind of thing than you might imagine, and we'll see how far this goes. NASA made a statement that they're doing. This has bilateral agreements because they wanted it to be a quick moving process to get all the signatories to meet the deadlines, and if they went through the UN again, it would be a thing that would take a very long time to lineup. But I think also what the hope is that in a couple of years NASA could say look at all these people that signed onto the tournaments accords it's obviously the way that we all want space to be developed. It is the best framework that we have. It's the most developed it's the most robust let's adopt this as the policy for. The future in space for all countries I could certainly see this being part of the idea is to shape it with the arms cords and the way they're ruled out over this announcement. But then the following announcements as we see countries being added onto this. So I. Think this is notable not only because it doesn't necessarily say that all these countries are dedicated to landing on the moon. But, it certainly does have all these countries signing their name on a thing that has artists on top and when you think artists, you think landing on the moon. So it's a good way to kind of get that in the back door that all these countries are now signed onto the program. It's not quite true. It's just the artists cords. Certainly, this is a much bigger statement for things that are named artists than we ever saw with the previous plans at NASA, which was to go to Mars there was very little international support for that program generally, and when we start attacking back towards the Moon, you saw people coming out of the woodwork to jump on and signed some agreements with this project because for a lot of countries out there that have much smaller budgets. US. Especially, in human spaceflight realm, the moon is a much more cheerful target both budgetarily and timeline. Wise. So you're seeing much more momentum with the global space policy on this lunar program, and that's kind of where I want to go next to talk about the precipice were on here in the US were waiting for this election and what we might see in the future in either direction of this election where this might be headed. So before we dive into that, let's say thank you to everyone out there who made this episode of main engine cutoff possible. There are four, hundred and fifty two of you supporting main engine cutoff. Every single month saw bungee jumping on in the last couple of days or weeks. So hopefully, my pitches for headlines have been working out because it is like you're getting an entire new podcasts in your feet every week I told you last week's twenty five minutes. So if you want to stay up on all the headlines GOTTA have head over to main engine cutoff, dot, com slash support, and jumping there. Three dollars or more a month you're in the club, but this episode was produced by thirty eight executive producers. Thanks to Brandon. Matthew Simon Lauren Melissa Chris Pat Matt George. Ryan Deemed Donald Lee Chris Warren Bob Russell John Maurice Joel Yawn Grant David Eunice. Rob Tim Dodd the Everett Astronaut Frank June Lawrence from Agile Space Tommy Adam and seven anonymous executive producers. Thank you so much for making this possible. Once again could not do it without your support. This is totally listener funded. So if you want to join the club head over to manage and cutoff dot com slash support and thank you once again. All right. So we got a big election coming up obviously everything in the world here in the US is about it I'm GonNa Swing State. So if you watch any football games or sports, you are inundated with election ads. So I'm ready for that to be done, but we do need to talk about where space policy might go in the near future here and I also want to circle back to something that I've talked about on the show before, which is Ken. A NASA administrator really make a difference in the direction of space policy and I before a couple years ago when Jim Brian Stein was nominated, I was very supportive of his nomination I thought he would be a great great person for that role and I certainly think that's been the case. He was he was a very contentious nomination because of earth science climate change views. That's Eventually I think not even that long of an eventually. But basically once he got confirmed into the job, he completely flipped his previous positions on leave it to you to determine which one is the real Jim Brian Stein is this one that is the political stance Tim Brown's nine or was the last one my bet is it the last one because that's when he was winning elections and now he is a guy with a job that was appointed. Obviously still shaky ground but certainly seemed like once he got the job the real Jim Brenston came out. and. At the time I was saying, yeah. I'm really supportive of this guy being the head of NASA but. Can administrators really do anything and this was more of a debate we had over on off nominal. Nominal dot space. If you're not listening to that show that I do what Jake Robbins we debated at length can administrators really make a difference or are they kind of at the whim of a much bigger piece of machinery that is in motion for where NASA is heading And I was pretty firmly on the side of they don't make a difference at all. They are behold into a gigantic structure and there's very little wiggle room within that structure. I will amend my statement now a couple years down the line and say that they can't change the trajectory in major ways, but they can certainly accelerate or. Pieces of the program that they either like or don't like. So if there's something that they really hate that's in the plans, they can decelerate it to some extent and in the case of what we've seen more often with the gym Brian. Stein era. NASA. I've seen a lot more of these small decisions that can accelerate a plan that you might be supportive of. and. Specifically, I'm thinking about these smaller programs that kind of fly under the radar. They totally fly under the radar, but they tend to create more momentum over a couple of years. Then the big top level, crazy multibillion dollar budget line items. These are things like commercial Lunar Payload Services Program, which are these small lunar landers that are bid out to commercial companies. We've now got four landers on the manifest just this past week intuitive machines with one another payload a drill to go to the South Pole and find some ice. So that's the fourth manifested clips flights right now. So we're going into this election instead of debating mooner Mars like we always do and then flip flopping and destroying all momentum we're going in with four flights manifested that are going to happen within the first two or three years of whoever the next president's administration is. And then you see all these other partnerships like NASA last week announced a bunch of tipping point contracts specifically some big ones space x one, fifty, three, million dollars. To transfer ten tons of liquid oxygen between tanks and Starship, they're working on cryogenic refueling and technologies needed for that, you will want eighty six million dollars for very similar thing using Centaur, Volkan Lockheed Martin one eighty, nine, million dollars for liquid hydrogen long-term storage. They're going to be doing that on a small a small satellite kind of bus from momentous on Viggo ride that launched on a relatively Taryn. One's very cool mission there. At, the space one, twenty, seven, million dollars for a similar project but with liquid oxygen and that'll be flying on rocket labs Photon mass in a couple of. for lunar surface payloads intuited machines again, one in ward for a small hopper lander that would be able to fly a mile and a half away from the original landing site. So there's all these kinds of awards that are you know tens of millions of dollars at most. Previous to this, we've seen starship went a couple of words balloon win win a couple of awards even before they were selected for that top level human landing system contract. and. It's these kind of things that are these smaller projects that no. One would ever bring up in a congressional hearing. You're going to bring up the crazy multibillion dollar budget items like why does the human landing system costs so much money when Jim Ryan goes to Congress and says, we need twenty eight billion dollars and gets left out of the room. Nobody's going to bring up the fifty three, million dollars that space x got for. Starship test. I have yet to hear anyone bring up commercial lunar payload services, program in Congress, and those are four missions that are GonNa be flying to the moon in a handful of years and that stuff that is is like I said, it's not a trajectory altering move, but it certainly builds momentum and it builds a technology base to be able to actually achieve something. When those all come do in a couple of years time and it's that kind of stuff that I think you know you've seen this wiggle room even with the step program that NASA has. been. It's actually a little bit wishy washy. Sometimes I feel like I'm like is this is this how loud how the next step program can work, but there's some things that were in the next step program that we're working on long term solutions for some more habitation on assess, and then that got extended to habitation at the gateway and they've been building on that over the years. And It's these smaller pieces of the portfolio that you see. This kind of momentum building activity that I do think actually plays off in the big time in a big time way. Jim Brian Stein in four years or whether it's somebody else at the helm. So I will amend my statement to say that these kind of decisions can really alter momentum and trajectory in the future not trajectory now can't change. You know trimmed Weinstein came in and said, no, I really want to go to Mars I, don't think he was going to change that trajectory maybe you wouldn't have gotten the job if he was going to do that and that's part of the thing. But I do think he can accelerate the future trajectory if that makes any sense. Now when it comes to the election. It's an interesting one this time around the last four or five of these every time there's a new president. Nasty gets tossed around the plans. Change momentum is killed and we SORTA start back at square one yet with the same launch vehicle and crew capsule. This time around I'm. It was for a while looking like it was just going to be another incumbent victory right now it looks very much like Joe. Biden is going to win this election and there will be a new head of NASA, a new administration in charge I don't think Jim Brian Stein has any shot of sticking around Joe Biden Administration who that will be in that position I am not sure. But what I do take some stock in is a couple of months ago around the crew one or the demo to launch it is there were some campaign events that Joe Biden held with a former NASA administrator Charlie bolden. Former senator. Nelson some of the old players in space policy. And they were actually given some props to Jim Brian Stein and he was giving him right back in different interviews for the things they've done in the past and Charlie. Bolden even said he's I think he's working out to be a great administrator I. Give Them Kudos for everything that's happened. So there was very kind words in a way that's not all too familiar to these kind of politics and this level of politics. and. The Democratic Platform actually calls for continuity in the NASA programs. Now, they don't have the twenty twenty, four deadline. In the law or in their platform right now. And that's been kind of the main point of attraction in these congressional hearings is twenty. Twenty four is a politically motivated date that is a thing that you've heard very frequently. Well number one I think that's a really bad line of logic because for years before that, all we ever heard was. These presidents are setting deadlines, ten years out. That's beyond their purview. So this is a useless date. They're just throwing it out there, and then all of a sudden somebody does give a date that's within their term and the line of attack became. That's it politically motivated date yet that was the point that we've made all along. So I do think that was a little bit nonsense, but I'll get over that point for one minute to to mentioned the fact that if it does turn out the Joe Biden wins this election. So only twenty four becomes a politically motivated date exactly for the people who were criticizing it for being politically motivated date. So there is a not inconsiderable they not inconceivable chance that twenty twenty four does stick around in a NASA under Joe Biden. Administration and I. Look Forward To all the Republicans in Congress saying twenty twenty four is a politically motivated date and we should not adhere to that because look at these crazy budgets that will annoy the living hell out of us I expect it to happen in just a few years time. But I do think there's a lot more cartoony going in to this cycle. And not only that I think what just got done saying the momentum that has been built up by things like clips by these tipping points contracts by even some human landing systems studies, and certainly by things that we're seeing private efforts like starship and all the momentum that they have going, there is a lot more momentum this time around then there has been in previous rounds. So it's still obviously could play out in a variety of ways there could be some major drama. There could be a major shakeups you never know who's going to be nominated, and this is all assuming that Joe Biden does win if trump wins then yeah. We're GONNA keep on keeping on here although there are some sources out there. Burger has a couple that say that Jim Brian Stein might be out even in a second term of the trump administration. So, he doesn't seem long for NASA. I'm interested to see where he goes. I'm sure it will be somewhere in the space world and we'll see who gets in as new administrator in the future. But I do think there's a lot more momentum this time around and. Reason have hoped that all of this including the fact that there's international support, it's much harder to cancel something that has massive levels of international support than something that doesn't. So this time around if somebody was going to say, let's go up tomorrow is not the moon they're going to have to explain to a lot of people why all these countries that signed onto. This thing that sounds like they're going to the moon even though like I said, it's just the accords. It's not signed onto artists, but they are certainly committing money and funds and all sorts of resources to going to the moon. You're going to have to explain why it's a good idea to bail out on all those obligations with the International Space Community at large. So. The combination of all this the kind of signaled to stability from the Biden campaign the momentum that has been built up by some really good decisions with under Jim Bernstein's NASA, and then this international support that is burgeoning here gives me a lot more hope for the future of this kind of stuff than we might have had in the past. So thought this. was a good time to check on all that. Thank you all for listening. Once again when help support the show head over to main engine cutoff, dot com slash support if you WanNa send me any questions or comments had hit me up on the email anthony at manageable dot com or on twitter at we have go and until next time. Thanks for listening on this. Full?

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