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NTA President John Daniel

Trapping Today

48:05 min | 2 weeks ago

NTA President John Daniel

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That was the first one that had attended in quite some time and it was great to get You know talk to different people and get caught up with folks that i hadn't talked with a while get caught up folks that i hadn't talked since last year at nielsen's and watch a few demos pickups and trapping supplies and meets new trappers. Few you guys listen to the podcast were there and i. I was glad to talk with you. Also interestingly i had a couple of guys that watched the youtube videos but didn't know. I had a podcast. Apparently i'm not really doing a good job of letting people on youtube. No that have a podcast. So i'll have to work on that here moving forward but yeah a. We didn't do much for recordings. I sat down with pat connolly from massachusetts and a couple of guys from new hampshire. Another guy for main. We did a little recording. I've to check back on the audio and see if it's if it's Good enough to piece together. Maybe do an episode to give you guys a little bit of perspective from a couple of different trappers and and maybe feel like you've been there By the campfire one evening at the mta. So we'll we'll look into that but tonight's episode. We have john daniel from the national association. John is the president. he's been in that position for. I believe three years now. And i've been wanting to get john on the show for quite some time. It really was my fault for for not getting him. Sooner but I throughout the summer. I really have a hard time scheduling things. So i feel bad like i don't want to schedule something with somebody ahead of time and then have situation where i really need to be doing something else so i think. Start to slow down a little bit and i got in touch with john. He was more than willing to do an interview and and so thanks john. I really appreciate it. And we talked about a number of things. But but since. John has been in the n. T. a. just for me watching from afar. I've been really impressed with what he has done for. Trappers and trapping he's been uniter Helped bring together mta fta. He has really fought hard. Brought a lot of energy to the position and worked to not only form these alliances but but to push to protect trapping and to communicate our concerns as trappers two different Federal officials to legislators senators representatives in and so on and so forth. And i think it's been a really positive thing for trapping so in in this episode. You'll get to hear a little bit from john and a little bit about how he got started trapping. he's from tennessee. So maybe a little bit different trapping for some folks for those of you listening to tennessee. You'll you'll feel like you're at home and yeah and thanks to mark From tennessee who kind of Nudged me a little bit to get john on the show. I appreciate that mark. Yeah and we talk about Some of the threats to trapping some of the things that they are working on at the mta to try and try and curb those Whether they're ballot initiatives or legislative acts or commission decisions in state fish and wildlife commission's zoa going on The best thing that you can do though is a tell you. I'm going to encourage you to do this a little more often. Here moving forward in the podcast. Because i you know. I i really haven't. I've always kind of assumed. I make this mistake a lot. That oh your trapper yet you you you joined. You belong to your state association. You must make if you really into trapping. You belong to your national association. But i suspect a lot of don't and so i know you know it costs money but it is money. Well spent thirty dollars. A year joined the national trappers association for that thirty dollars. Not only are you supporting the mta in their activities. You're also a member of that. They can you know your added to the to the roles of members. You increase their voice the power of what they're saying. You also get a magazine to it's a it's a really valuable resource to kind of keep up with what's going on trapping industry maybe learn a little bit about trapping. Get a bunch of different articles in there in. Yeah i mean it. it's a it's a really good thing to do. I would say you want to at least belong to your state association to the mta. And maybe to the for takers of america. That would be a great to belong to them too if you can afford it. I n people. Some people take the next step. Like pat from mass has said that while he's going to join every state association where he is trapping. Her has trapped. So that's that's a really cool thing so if you're in mass you you obviously belong to the mass trappers But each trap over vermont to trap in new hampshire you trap in maine all of a sudden your member of several different organizations and you're supporting them all and you understand and know what's going on with all them that's a pretty cool thing I joined the alaska. Trappers association when i went out to my trip to alaska the trap there and i'm obviously a member of of the main drivers association and in the national trappers association. My friend josh has taken this. All to the next level he is just purchased a lifetime. Membership to alaska trappers association. Any saving up for his lifetime membership for the mta. So that's a great thing if you can do it but if you can't at the very least i really would encourage you to join the n. T. a. in join your state association It's very important that even if we're not on the frontlines fighting the battle that we support the people like john daniel who are so with without Further do. Let's talk with john daniels from the mta. John daniel president of the national trappers association. Thanks for joining us. A glad to be here I i've got a lot of questions for you. I've been wanting to talk with you for quite a while. But i think it'd be great to hear just gonna a little bit of background. I on how you got started trapping. So cabinet trapping since i was thirteen Pretty much self taught Nobody my family trapped ma. Dad was a avid coon hunter. And the While markle's were rabbit hunters or what have you but Nobody trap but Something that whatever reason. I the interest ends so i read all the material i could on it and and bought a first traps when i was thirteen. I saved up money and went on Some of the trapping magazines picked out. Spock boss nominee bought a half dozen one ten rowdy group traps and half dozen the number one cold spring and got started from there. So is this Down in tennessee. It was and back then From what i hear from from lauda other guys it was a little bit harder to find trapping information. Yeah it was. It was definitely a whole lot harder quarterback back in the day. I want to guy who's actually a cousin out misspoke a little bit Who did trapped in and ask him to calm. Tell me how to catch things. And he said well. Just go out and get your cash shortage tiger trapped nutri that sardines down there. You'll catch something. That was his advice Do you remember your first catch. Yeah Cain was the first thing i caught. And they muskrats after that. Yeah and and You're sounds like you're pretty hooked from the start. Did you trap continually since that time now attracts from the time. I was thirteen until i was eighteen and Business when i was nineteen into the construction business and For the first few years there between starting to do business in a new family Out i got married when i was twenty three and start a new family risk lower while they're trapped eighteen up into my late twenties. Oh my son turned five of my dad's one day and mo- trach were hanging on the side of the shed out there not gus traps on the shoulder to my son and we started dropping again and it all just came back from there. It did We to begin with we were just kind of trapping and having a good time with it. We weren't sell anything or scanning keeping what we call and didn't even know those trapping association intimacy and i went up to Quivalent dealership athens tennessee to boston. Porch much writer and there was a sign up there that there was a trap association meeting and i had Two of my three kids was the time and we would stay up there and go go to the meeting and we we did join up there and store get involved in there. Yeah the first convention is always pretty amazing because you meet all these other people that have the are interested in the same things. You are definitely. Actually i would even call it a convention that it was just a little one day. Yeah no supply dealers. Anything is just too. They cooks burgers and that kind of thing is kinda socialize. A business meeting that. I don't think we're you involved with the association of from that point on now. Know he would say a funny thing. That my first meeting i went to was the day the tennessee association split into two groups. Our really There was some bad blood between some folks. There shouted know any of the history playing and and So i ended up join both groups and taking my kids to the meeting family. Do meetings both in philo paul. Anka and all from wisconsin moved down to tennessee and he trapped his whole life and we became for engine. We talk about the sadness of you. Know the split and associations and how could be good for for trappers as a whole and all have been coming to the meetings a little longer than i had and The groups have splintered off actually asked him to be the president association and became to means. If i would be a director for he would be the president in our coal would be to try to bring the troops by together. And so. that's that's what it started out. And i was a director for him for a while and then i ended up being the alternate mta director tennessee for harvesters. And then you're later. I became the director for that. Plenty director And often there and initially like. I wouldn't thought well tennessee that there were many issues with legal battles trapping but there were some pretty odd regulations. I i recall hearing about that that you are working on trying to get cleaned up there. Yeah the yeah there or not. I began trapping thirteen. You cannot legally said they still any type of trap or body group trap on top to the ground. In tennessee you had to be twelve inches inside the whole word in or in the water so Essentially that media legal talk trap or kyle trap which is down. There weren't a coach really denouncing in tennessee. Those came a few years later but There were a lot of thought. Susan and You couldn't leave. It was made it almost impossible to legally travel not too long after. I've been trapping They changed the rigs and allowed us to use padded jaw traps and it was bad jaw traps for many years became president of tennessee. montage president. The clearance dies. And i were talking and He'd been looking at some regulations About thirty. Two our chick and a clarence was primarily a water trapper. And and we were talking. He's made the comment that You know thirty. Six hour check was could be dangerous in certain weather conditions. If you're outing and what have you on a on a lethal set It didn't really make sense to to risk your online To check out to check a lethal set a dangerous conditions existed on the water and so he did a little research and Guzm information on other states that had seventy two hour check on the lethal sets and he happened to know Fell twr a and we had a meeting within. We're the meeting was about lethal stats in changing the check. Time only selection. While we were talking he asked me said You know is there anything else that maybe i could help you with. Us will be offered saying they will most trappers. Tennessee is if we could not have to use. Patty jaw traps you know. It's very limiting to us. If we use our traps for cows state. And what have you. And there's a lot of good information out there that states that laminated jaws or or Ticker daughter offset jaw. Traps are actually more humane and foot damage than bada jaw traps. We started looking into We were able to get those. Those changes made so tennessee no longer. Us padded jaw trap and seventy two hour. Check on our lease nice. That's that's a huge huge improvement for guys down there. I'm sure that near the we've had. We've made a few other changes one where we can now you. We couldn't use any body grip traps on land unless they were twelve inches inside over dan. We can use a a one ten now within fifty feet of the waterway. Okay now These regulations when they were put in place was it due to hounds. Men concerns or was it more like an animal rights type concern. So all i can tell you on that because I was thirteen years old or younger. Flynn those those were put in place. from what i've been told yes it was. It was due to house okay. was the was the reason for that. We're were talking about some ferber mir's in there was for bringing pretty good money in. There was a lot of people out chasing for some of the more influential people were how and able to basically let those laws and and today have you guys been able to maintain a good relationship with those guys are not feel like we do We we the way are very little conflict with other user groups including the house. Yeah i feel like a lot of times when when you try to make changes like that. There's there are a lot of people that kind of Throw their hands up and say well. You're this is gonna be a problem and that's going to be a problem and then the changes come through and there's no problem you know gets like what were we worried about. Yeah exactly you know we. We anticipated some opposition when when it came to vote on it and there wasn't any The the other part of that change came about trapping regulated legislatively and all other forms of counting fishing the were regulated by the twa while resources agency those in traffic and one of those changes that came about as a result of that There was an amendment made trapping now falls under the profession. Wildlife professionals are tennessee while resources agency good. Good so so going from this. What was your motivation to run for. President of the mta did question. 'cause the originally i never had any intention of been any form of trapping politics Talk of politics I mentioned to you about my friend. Paul asked me to be a director yet. i didn't know anything about the n. t. a. really association policy president of decided to bid on the southeastern regional convention in all asked me to help him find a place to do a presentation. So back then. Mta's till at leadership conferences. And we went down to birmingham alabama. And i did a crazy For bid while i was there i met the current the president time jim bill and he spent several hours talking and he encouraged me to get more involved in the shots. I've always believed in. I believe i believe that. It's important to preserve the heritage founded. This country and traffic played a big part of that also believe in preserving farm and hunting and fishing in a lot of other things. But this this was the one chose to become more involved with and I came up with an idea. When kirk cats was the president association that with a fundraising idea that was pretty successful in There was a situation where they had been caught. Tennessee a untruthful. Excuse me newspaper article about it and I was asked to give a detroit precise article. So i work with anti attorney gary lesko president cash coach me me on how to do the interview now year later they asked me. If i'd be general organizer became general. Organizer n- President for six years and five years down. The president's did you. Did you ever anticipate it'd be such a big time commitment. It seems like it would take a lot of time to do what you do. So it does. It takes a lot of time. courses all volunteer. There's no paid positions and they and ta staff in contractors to the officers and executive council in the were of directors. It's all volunteer So you you know to make a difference. You'd have to be willing to dedicate a lot of free time to and it's just not an aubrey. Believe strongly about. I want to make sure that My grandkids is opportunity and other people's grandkids clears get the opportunity to trap in the future and it's worth their for the time absolutely and so one of the observations that i had it like you've brought a a lot of energy to to this Position since you've you've started and was was it like two years ago or three years ago. I started my second to your term. It's convention july. We got a really good start slows down. We're we're trying to get back on track now. We're getting a of momentum here. I lot of ideas and and I've got a good team around me to help those ideas and they have a lot of good ideas around and we're just trying to make a positive effect on on a future. Yes so. I feel like you almost have to split this into two. Different sides of of the mta activities were on one side working towards promoting trapping in trying to make improvements but on the other side. You're just it's just like a constant battle trying to defend what our threat you know. Fight the threats to our trapping rights so Maybe we should try to talk about each of those sides. Show so on the defense side. What appears to be some new tactics in place that our opposition is is is promoting right. Now is actually what we're seeing right now. Is the results of ten years planning change tactics. And they're being pretty effective right now because they put a lot of effort where we're volunteer and we work hard for what we believe in and they're doing exactly They're working hard They learned a lot over the years how to be more politically active. And and the the days you know they sup- paint on people and grant without clothes on. That was their protest They've they've learned to be more effective They've learned to be smart. They learn to be less vocal and more effective so in turn. We must learn to be more effective more calculated in how we stand. We not only need to descend but we need to grow actively promote the need for sound meaningful trapping across the nation and what it means to the overall healthy ecosystems of cohabitation between other animals and humans and agriculture. There's there's so many things in the laser that that are in our favor if we can educate the public on those things are are Opposition primarily a operates on emotion and and Face appearances not necessarily what's beneath the surface. But that on the surface face appearances is what they work on us with and and you know unless you understand something. Thoroughly first glances can be very to seize. Yeah so speaking of like ten year battles or ten year plans. Can you give us a little rundown of what happened in new mexico and whereas now with that so one of the ladies is now can't remember be honest with you. I think she's a member of the house but she started out as a dog walker. Who's opposed to trap. And she tried to be as someone Officials in irritate them enough that they would comply with what she wanted. And when she was wasn't getting results she wanted out of that she going to the meetings and and Being around and being more clinically active in the community and guard south elected office. And we're and we're seeing similar things we're seeing. The governor appointed wildlife commission's who has hunting trapping and fishing people on those committees. I don't understand that logic. I don't understand why they wildlife commission. We're the north. American model is the most successful model in the whole world. Not just in north america but in the world of a recovery in management of wildlife species. And i don't. I don't understand why someone would appoint someone who disagrees with that model If you're truly going to manage wildlife and those commissions are actually going to have a voice in managing that law. I don't understand the rationale behind that. When you the most successful model in the entire world why would you point people to manage who are in opposition of the most successful model world. I think a lot of people forget the way things used to be in. Forget how we got to where we are now if nothing else think you're and you're on a lot of that are opposed to it. I don't know say ever knew. And they only see what they're opposed. Don't take the time to educate themselves on the facts so these people are this. This person became active in new mexico and was influential in in Basically just to give people a recap. It's a they ban trapping on public lands in new mexico. That's correct in was that that was a legislative act not about initiative correct. And so what. What do we do. Now how do we. So we feel. And i can't early go into a lot of details. I'm sure the ongoing things are probably you. We we feel that that we have a good case to defeat that decision and we're in the process of preparing to do so. Okay is that the biggest. Is that the biggest threat. We have right now in in new mexico now We've got some equally dangerous situations and a few different states. One of the most recent things as it started out in california banning the for products in certain cities and a few weeks ago. The ban the sale of any new for arbor in michigan. There's rumors is gonna be some other. That'll do as just another attack. That dan trapping is what it does. What it's all about About the end of consumptive use it has no scientific or legal grounds that matter and then you got the you know the the whole situation. I was talking to you. There may go about the the commission's they're seeking to regulate us out of business killer market to put us out of business and basically Business in the political realm as well It's it's a three pronged approach. We we feel. We're up to the task. When i say we the trappers of this country We been working very closely with her takers. America based in i talk radio and strategize and then we take our our information back to the boards and make decisions that two entrees. We can work together strength of our two associations together but assisted a whole different position than than we've been for over fifty years Wait wait we. Now have a unity. A working together. unprecedent and modern modern times. When i say modern times i mean in in the two thousand. Yeah that's a big deal if you if you have you know say say you have to organizations of relatively equal size. I'm not sure what what. Fda a. r. but but if you combine those you effectively have just doubled your influence if you speak with one. Voice influence not only influenced Resources yeah and when. I say resources The brain power Education the experience and the financial part of the resources to We we have. We've increased our resources by one. Hundred zero Things that we can accomplish together in and the future There's no limit to and we're going to go from beyond the defensive All the time to being proactive. And had you know we're gonna take thought to do you have any thoughts and strategies on how we do that. Well there's a lot of things you know. The interesting thing about it is. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. Our opposition is already approved to us. What works that's true so we can take the other at any updates on the some of the endangered species act Activities that are the lawsuits that have affected guys like me up in maine with canada links and other states that have links and any and of course there's wolf issues any any updates on what's going on with those so Obviously the rumors of relisting list. And we're on top of science at we're going to be as effective as we can An opposition of those lines. Now all this stuff that's going on most of the guys that are out on the ground trapping a lot of people that listen to this like i mentioned before when we talked a few minutes ago. Where you know people who have have just started trapping in the last few years. Don't really have much of a background or understanding In and people that start to get their feet under him and they're successful learning how to trap and start to realize that. Wow there's a lot of people that don't like this or want to ban this. What can i do to help. So what would you say to folks that. What's the most effective thing we can do to help out. So there's two things one join join. Fda join your local trapping organization your state organization. Show your support. That's very inexpensive way to fan. Trapping is bare membership. Dues and support the ones that are doing it for you have the experience. We have the resources. That's one of the biggest things you can do. The the other thing you can do is remember when you set a trap when you take that animal or when you post about the animal you took taken or you post a picture of video that animal. That's not just an average of you. That's an image of all trappers across this country. Make sure it's a positive image. Actually you show respect to the animals you harvest make sure your show respect to the people who oppose us because we do not want to ever give the oppression or the image. That were anything less than technical carrying sportsman. We we we do not want to give our opposition any ammunition to use against us. animals that posting pictures of animals uncomfortable position is very detrimental and counterproductive grabbing about doing something that would be questionable whether that's cooler not not help. Trappers trapping always remember has sediment ago. The image portraying is not an image of you. It's on the image of the mirror contract whether you like it or not bright. Yup i like what you said about respecting even respecting our opposition because What people may oftentimes forget. Is that the vast majority of the people don't necessarily have a strong position one way or the other watching and when they see the way they act and when they see the way we act that says a lot about what position they should take. That's exactly right. Most people sit on the fast and you can either pull him to your side or push them off the other way. Yeah so what do you think in the future trap. And you think we're we're in decent shape or we get some some tough times ahead so with with our newfound alliances the two national organizations. What's were building with other like-minded people such as farm. Bureau male neil dear associations and different groups out there that you're like minded. I think the future is brighter than it's been a long time but was that being said. I feel that the opposition is probably a strong as it's ever been and we have to remember when when we trap waco out and whether we sell our built or not whether the dime but in our pocket or not trapping pays dividends trapping that that orange sunrise feel as the faller the joy of watching a young kid this guy taking a young person on the line with those dividends that we receive we receive benefit from what we do is traversed the only benefit our opposition sees is to put us out of business. They don't get to have a bill tan and hanging on the wall. They don't get to see the joy that young person i catch. They don't get to witness at sunrise. Where your drink coffee waiting for to get daylight enough to to go out and run your line. They don't get those. Thanks the only satisfaction they receive. Is it put us out of business and they were hard rather than we do. And we have more incentive to work harder than them. We've got a lot to lose. They have nothing to lose. Yep that's a good point so these people that we read about these different Challenges to trapping in and legal things going on somebody asked me A couple of weeks ago you know. I want to send money somewhere. Where do i. where do i donate to. Where do i send money. What would you say is the most effective Way to if someone's got one hundred bucks a couple of hundred bucks. They want to donate to try and help preserve trapping. So if you had a one hundred dollars where he wanted to put it The mta memberships thirty dollars. i think. Fda membership maybe three five so there's a sixty five dollars or your money their state associations gonna be somewhere right in there. That would that would take us most of one hundred dollars gun. Good things with that money if you had more money than you wanted to put in their Intimate if he wanted to contribute to mexico lawsuit we've got a joint bank account up At into through the office. That's a joint account as a fta new mexico trappers association mere market for that and will go into that special counsel perfect so people can earmark dollars for certain accounts yes. I've heard a little bit recently about you. Gotta be careful where you send the money. Because there's sometimes the certain groups can only use that money for certain activities. What your. I am without going to any of that stuff you know. There's a lot of thinking and planning and to how this was set up and all three organizations that are partnering on. This situation agreed that the way we have set up is the best way to do it. Okay so just like a check to the mta. Saying i'd like this to be you know to help yet. Put it down the notes Mississippi new mexico defense perfect excellent. Well that's great john I really appreciate it. Is there anything else that you wanna talk about or get into that. We didn't cover now. I i hope. I've given you enough good information that there's going to be beneficial for you. Show and beneficial for trapping Everything i tried to do. I try to go into over that mindset that makes a positive positive impact and hopefully we've done that today I'm always bailable. Listen to somebody's they wanna give me a call or semi male. I am a pretty busy guy. So gotta get back with you today. Don't take it personal but we'll get back with you. I promise you that and Loved it loved talker trappers and fellow trappers and what. They've got to say. Listen to their concerns. Their suggestions then Appreciate you give me the opportunity to share some thoughts with you today. Awesome one last question. Dear get tired of people adding an s to the to your last name. It's you it's after the whole life is just far life goodwill thanks so much john and and we certainly appreciate it and we'll we'll get you down. The line could talk with you. All right take care bye okay. That is it for this week's episode. Thanks for listening in. I hope that you learn something. And i hope that this has inspired. You may be to join the mta and support some of these efforts to protect and preserve trapping for future for us and for future generations. Finally the costs boroughs message of the week. Cots brose will be in the market for glands caster and skunk essence this fall so if you are getting ready for your trap line keep in mind that if you save those glands caster skunk essence that You could put a few extra dollars in your pocket Especially with the glands that you may otherwise be throwing away. If you're if you're picking up big numbers please go ahead and save those. I could really be a huge benefit for you and it helps out guys lure making industry. So kyle is buying these If you go to the website cots brose dot com. Look at the top post on their blog for the current market prices and the updates and what they're looking for so i've got an update from september twenty one so that's the most recent update. He gives some instructions on how to ship these. And and all that stuff. If your value of your shipment exceeds one hundred dollars they pay the shipping. So that is all covered by cots. Bros so so if you have quite quite a few glands quite a few be Beaver casters This is You know it's it's pretty lucrative so be recast castor. They're paying dried caster. Eighty dollars a pound oil sacks. They're not taking right now. Their inventory is full but keep Keep checking in. You never know that. That could change coyote. Glands one hundred dollars a gallon. This includes the anal glands glands bladder sex organs and neck glands freeze these fresh pretty much all of the glens that they're buying they want you to freeze them. Fresh red fox one fifty a gallon bob cat glance to twenty five a gallon. Gray fox eighty dollars a gallon. Badger eighty otter eighty minka one. Hundred ninety dollars a gallon and muskrat gland. Seventy five dollars a quart. That would be This coming spring from spring rats. Because that's that's really when you get the glands from them and finally skunk essence they're paying eighteen dollars out store that a glass bottle with metal head I do have a youtube video on the trapping today. Youtube channel on how to ship skunk essence without the smell. So you might wanna check that out. It's it takes a little bit of work but it you will. It will pay you benefits to not get your package taken by the us. Postal service and investigated and they will pay a premium on thirty two ounces or more of skunk essence so keep that in mind guys thanks gospels. Thank you for listening in and till next time. Keep on and keep on thinking. Japa- will catch you on the next episode.

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Billy Thompson and Charlie Tucker Part 3 Podcast Episode 135

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Long story short kind of drought right now, and I gotta a be I'm planning ahead. You know about four weeks ahead of my grazing plan for my cattle, and we have about Oh over ninety animals on the farm right now, so it's it's kind of a juggling game. We've got three separate groups of animals. So. It's a juggling game figuring out where fences and water and power and. everything else gets going where the grass is growing and where we need to graze and we're. We need arrested and all that so so it's been kind of crazy but I ended up. Had An area that I wasn't going to graze the summer, but it turned out. I'M GONNA. Need the grass. IS WE'RE GONNA be short so i. went over to fence. It put up some temporary fences and I was partway through, and I'm trying to figure out okay. I've got sixteen hundred feet away polly braid on this real that I'm I'm running out there. on post and getting out as a temporary wire to keep the Catalan. And I'm trying to figure out where where I. Oughta terminate my real. In in order to use to Real, so I had to figure out where I'm going to terminate him so that I have an equal distance between the two and actually be able to get around and not run short and run OUTTA reels. So I'm figuring? I'm thinking. Geez looks like should be about their, but I better check Oh. Hang on a second I. got on my phone so I just pull up on x maps and I get! Hit the button one of the one of the buttons right there on the screen as you when you when you open up the APP and it takes your right to your location. And it's got the aerial photo right there and it shows the field shows me where I'm at. And I look at the distance and I decide where I need to be in the field and I. Walk over to it and dot shows were a matt and boom there I am so it saved me a lot of time of a stringing out fences, coming up short and having to go back real mop and move him and all that so You never know. When on X is GONNA? Help you. Check them out in day go to maps, dot, com, and use the Promo Code Trap T. R. A. P. and you will get twenty percents off of your purchase Check him out I. I really think more people need to be using this, not only on the trap line, but but really basically everything that you do outdoors. It's it's incredibly useful. I find new uses it all the time. So anyway the weather it's been crazy Chris Pope Coyote trapping school podcast. I feel you man I think. I've never really spent time in Georgia. But I kind of feel where you're coming from right now. It's been about ninety five degrees the past three days. The humidity hasn't been terrible as Thirty forty percent humidity. It's actually bumped up a little bit today, but That is just some insane whether I i. don't know if we hit ninety five degrees all last summer, and maybe not even the summer before ninety five degrees is pretty intense. I if you haven't experienced it, you live in northern. Kinda like me, and and this is June twentieth and Honestly. Like. Ten days ago. We had frost in the garden. We had to cover our plants in the garden. Because we had a frost overnight, so it's just. It's insane. It's crazy stuff anyway, so so we're. We're actually in a drought, and we finally saw clouds for the first time in a week. I never thought I'd be praying for rain in northern Maine but we finally saw clouds this afternoon in. They've been building building it. It's dark out right now. And I just looked off in the distance, and there's some a couple lightning storms. Way Off in the distance can't hear anything, but you can see him flash and so I. Don't know maybe we're going to get some rain and there's like maybe a thirty percent chance of rain. but but long long-term forecast doesn't look good. I hope we get some showers. Because if we don't we're going to be in pretty good shape for for any type of growth in the fish. You'RE GONNA. Have a hard time in the streams, and everybody needs a little bit of rain up here. We're kind of dependent on it. I felt the last few days I felt like I was back in Montana dry country so anyway I did try to take advantage of the weather and and start making some wax dirt. If you. Have not gotten started on that. It's a great thing. Do Summertime when the weather's hot. If you got some hot weather like this check out key Kellen cots book the Black Book Coyote trapping for a little bit of advice on making wax terp very simply. There's several ways you can do it probably the way that I prefer to do it. If I had the time and equipment is just to use the cement mixer deal with the propane. Burner. And in just make it when you when you have the you know when it's convenient for you, but I don't really have that setup right now. So what I did is I ordered a bunch of flake wax from costs boroughs. I think I ordered three five pound. Bags of it actually have to order a bunch more so I should've ordered more earlier, but I. Don't know I'm kind of one of those guys that it seems like every time I need something I I I don't think of it till about a minute before I need it so. Good thing would cost pros you just you know pop in an order in the next shift and Third Illinois, so they're the in the dead center of the country, and you can pretty much get anything most places. You're going to get it quick so. Anyway I I had some tarps out I had some dirt that I'd I'd. I dug and sifted got ready I've got some great dirt here. That makes really good trapping dirt. it's kind of like sand it's it's a sandy loamy type dirt, and there's no rocks or anything. It's just incredible. But I'd gotten a bunch of it together and put an Atar put undercover and I never got around to actually making wax dirt out of it. So I pulled that out and I went out and got some more and Doug got an open spot where I had a bunch of that sand on the farm here and I show the bunch more of that on different tarp, and so I had a couple tarps gone, and I was taken that those bags of flake, wax and getting. of IT and kind sprinkling it out like. Making the salt and pepper mixture that Callan talks about in the book. in encounter sprinkle out out on top of the dirt on the tarp and just let that sit for a few hours. When US ninety five degrees warms up pretty quick and I was using a rate can just Kinda stern that around with the rake every once in a while. Add more wax Stern. At. A little lax stirred a little bit at a little wax and can I didn't get finished covered up and. If, it doesn't rain tonight I'm going to get back at it tomorrow and probably finish it up, but it's it's It's a time consuming way I guess it's not really labor intensive, but it takes a lot of times you get to be around and be ready in kind of monitoring it. It takes you can take three days depends on what the weather's doing. I'm even in good hot dry weather sunny weather. It can take a couple of days. So it, it is definitely pretty easy in. It's the most cost effective way to make wax dirt, so you may want to check that out or or you may want to use the cement mixer method. Maybe you don't use stir all, but from what I experienced. Last Fall Cayo trapping. If I'm going to do any amount of Kaya trapping this fall. I'm GONNA have more wax than I need. I'd rather have you know one and a half to two times. The amount of wax dirt that I need and not have to worry about running out like he did last year, so. It's a good time I was planning making it an August but Jeez. We you know we got this weather window and it's like Oh. What else are you GonNa? Do I get lots to do, but this is the. There's very few times in in the summertime where we have perfect conditions for making wax dirt up here, so get to take advantage of it. You gotTA. Make Hay when the sun shines, right. So tonight's episode. We're GONNA talk. Oh One quick thing I tell you about the Walter Arnold, book I was actually planning on on talking more about that tonight, but it's not quite ready. I hate to say that, but the book is done okay. I ordered the I finalized everything I'm publishing it through kindle direct publishing on Amazon. And I ordered a proof copy. To to build actually have a physical book in hand to see what it looks like and make sure everything looks good I got that in hand on Friday and I went through it there are. Three or four different editing things that probably should have been fixed. I went back to the drawing board and I went to try to fix a few those things and He turned out that it was a lot more basically a lot of cases. Unless. You're a professional at this or you know if you hire somebody to format your book. It can be a nightmare. Because one small change can completely throw everything else off in the book, so three or four edits, it'll take about. Oh, three or four minutes to complete can turn into about two hours of of work to try and get things back to where they were when you started. Because one thing. Leads to another, you do one thing, and it changes everything else, and you gotta go back, and you gotta go through and see what's changing a fix it and. I decided that. If I've the those three or four editing mistakes if I were to fix them the just as good a chance I was gonNA make more airs and mistakes as a result of fixing those so I decided. It's good enough it is. It is good enough for me, so I finalized it now. One thing that Amazon does, which I guess is probably a good thing. Is they when they go to publish your book, they checked to make sure that you're not plagiarizing anything. That's available on the Internet so they take the content of your book when you submit it. And they kind of go through it and match. See if they can match any of that up to what's out there on the web and one thirty am this morning. I got an email from Amazon said. Oh looks like you have part parts of information. That's in your book. parts of your book are available freely on the web so Are you sure you're not infringing on Somebody's copyright? Well? Obviously, that was all the articles that I printed on trapping today, DOT COM As parts of the book as I was working on the book publishing things so you guys could read them and I. Get a little bit information, get interested in the project and all that, and and so they they kind of keyed in on that stuff so kind of backfired on me because the book was supposed to be done and I was. GonNa talk about it today, but as not because I had theresa minute basically. Tell them okay. I'm not plagiarizing anything. That's actually my information on there. And resubmit waiting for them to review it for a second time, so the book is officially not available. However, by the time you listen to this, it may be available so. If it is next week by next week's episode I'm going to do a full episode just on the Walter Arnold, book, and we'll go through that and kind of. Give you more information on on what to expect there in the book, so it's exciting. It's It's GonNa be good and I get down twenty bucks in nineteen, Ninety five for the the paperback. physical copy of the book, so check that out if if you're listening to this a few days after June twentieth get on and check that out. It's GonNa be available on Amazon. This time around I'm not going to any trapping supply, dealers or anything. I'M GONNA sell it on Amazon and. I'm GONNA order a few copies A. To have here at home for folks who don't want order on Amazon or aren't comfortable, ordering online, or whatever I'm GonNa have some copies for people to to order from me. Personally and I'll probably put those up on on trapping today. Dot Com, but that's going to be It's going to be a little bit few days before that's available at least and we'll talk about that more so tonight's episode. We are going to go to part three of our. Sit Down with Charlie Tucker Billy. Thompson another. Another good one tonight had again head off own. Those guys I'm actually still getting emails from guys about Nathan for Minnesota podcast and and from guys that are just starting to listen to the billion Charlie first episode so I know a Lotta guys this time of year it's busy, so you're kind of catching up and behind by a few weeks or some guys, even more than a few weeks that email man. You GotTa get going here you to listen and I get caught up so. but it's good to hear from. You guys a fan on on those old episodes I love having guys that that I get on and start listening they bins. Listen in, and they'll. Do you know ten twenty episodes at a time and and get all excited about trapping stuff so in tonight's episode. We talk about odd odd catches a for. Some funny stories talking about Charlie and billy going to conventions, national MTA conventions, different parts of the country. We talk about some of the old trappers, little bit, local history, and then. Go into some open water beaver trapping some of Billy's tips and advice and and. And different sets the he makes for. The spring. Open, water beaver trapping season. So I hope you guys enjoy that. We've probably got one more bang out one more possibly to from these guys, and then we'll move on to something else, but this has been a fun little series, and I enjoyed it and I hope you enjoy it as well. And stay tuned for the cops rose deal the week. These been pretty popular, so another do coming up here very shortly out announced that at the end of the episode. Thanks again to costs birth for sponsoring. The podcast being huge supporters and you guys Let's get into the episode. And one more quick thing before we get into it a little parental advisory, there is some language in this one, so if you've got little kids listening in you might WanNa. Check it out beforehand and make sure it's suitable for them. based on what what you believe. You want your children listening to so. Just a quick little warning there. I'd not too terrible bad, but you. Just, be aware that so anyway all right, we'll get into it. Was the person we got. What was the first animal you caught me? I caught up make. An over this bridge. In where we lived in, I had to walk two guys pasture and get over into on railroad tracks with a nice bridge, and he told me how the they'd set pocket set. You know and. So. My uncle traps some. On my mother's side and he give me a bag of frozen. Neil junk view because he used deal so I took that he'll and I. put it up in there, and I said all number one young right there. Jesus Calming First Thing I look in that. Thank in the house is probably eight nine years old. I had that man. That's a nice female. That's a nice make. Could female was worth more than the males? They wanted them small female. What they didn't tell people. You catch more males than you do female. That's why they wanted the. bested. I had that in the year there? I call foaming. Never never cared more than I've jumped a a view of them and then. Fisher bloated. Well. I was in High School Fisher exploded. Day come around aired dollars. Everybody was having trouble with Fisher. I used a number to Joan. On Leinen poll. With debate vote eighteen inches beyond your trap. And the old man told me the reason you put your bait way beyond your trump and tie it good. The free should go over you trap. He gets Poland need him by the Hind Foot. He'd be hanging did. They? They can't live long time when hanging and they'd be dead. Twenty five. Really in November and December. No limit on them or nothing? Yeah, and I didn't know first thing about. And I took him down all again I got twelve dollars for females and eight dollars from my mail. I couldn't believe it. That was a good check for Kid Daddy. What Day it was high. Pressure Fisher way back before the season. I. You're two to three hundred dollars A. Seventy five to one hundred. My father would get. And there was illegal to have him even in north main woods. But he gets two or three in his cubbies every. But the priests come across every Wednesday to preach to the guys in the which Kim. And would prohibition. He'd bring my Father Whiskey, and he take his Fisher back in so for. Had the perfect thing across go. Wondering if you could do the same thing now with links. Estimates special robes. Kings gleaned place you got that. Right, why would the price get so high on Fisher that? Many years ago in the depression, they was with seventy five dollars and people working for a dollar a day. Did. He make sent evidently the more corn me in other countries in the world like in your. In, people wanted that fancy for because I've heard as high as. Nineteen twenty. Three hundred bucks. We'll probably. In the seventies I've heard guys that. Fisher and bought a snowmobile. I told, one candidate for six-under Dole. At the Canadian auction. For fifty back then. Declared you know. Quite a few lines three something. Whenever prices are. Females. They. Females. Silva. Female what I saw the Martin. Twain flood. To this day of never caught on like it and I regret It was the same color Fisher. We bought Really Very Martin. frigging Jane at Black Bark blocked and white. No Arms Yo just white. Really. Fitting Image AM female fishes with a wedding. WAS A big meal. I should've kept. Mount! I've never call on that color yet. I've caught some dark ones, but nothing like that. Team is the. Writing, Is? Them with a on piece of furs, it don't match up with nothing exact, and it's not with no way near what people think to drink up. It's worth a lot to you as the TRAPPER A. Zoo. We caught to be in Cheney. Porn one win. That had quite spots his big on their bellies and one up on the side. And they were to like live medium beaver, and we thought we had the world by the S, and then for by just throw him in another pile. Could he said? DEIGNED GONNA match nothing. Should I wish I had those moments, but we didn't know up in a boat, mom. Ward at one hug never found logger sheds, Milan, my son and I. was. He said you'll find more than. Ever seen. Or after. It was big twenty pounds per se nopadol all. Being big being. I guess. We sent me selling. Should he founded? I should buy off your myself in. Put them up on the wall. I've never seen his. New pedals it who knows? Be just. Yep Yep big big. Or Out, everyone was big law. Bigger. Like of. Year. On. A. You'll get some more like a picture of. No only thing we got. I got so many pictures I should've taken on trap lines. A lot of people regret that yeah, in a picture, new molten is one of my heroes in that respect of keeping such a record of all of the things he'd done. Be Good now. We can look back and. And it's clear. Jared does go to bed till. You, there's gotTa Lotta pictures you rarely, but I never took many pictures I never had the time I was right. And I wish I would have known different things, yeah! You know some of the catches and. People that are trapped with and stuff. I want to see a picture. Jerry snapping suspenders at the national. The best time. Didn't we national that guy? Drove across the country together. was a good trip to a three first time. He went with US Jerry. He'd never been out of the state of Maine I don't think. We, went to Minnesota. And he was snapped and then suspended, and he was the big show. You is the big mountain traffic. And there. Are we raised hell. Bill comb with us in sometimes we'd have to stop the vehicle laughing. The only. Convention I ever went to as last one I love you guys we went to. Net restaurant. Was Atoll Hamburg him book. Restaurants that guy come in over there. Gary was trying to be allies. Guy was being allies. He got the best of Jerry. Remember that yeah. Jerry's always race. WHO's at a? Big. Big Gut the beat. Somebody Jerry the way they were headed to talk. He figured out we. We were at that convention. Did. When I was a director I used to out to supper along with like Dean Wilson the big for a by. Alaska he was real, religious and real quiet. Most see lake in. And other guy at a company. With Mike Spencer he used to be the big shipping agent. His son is the mark. Spencer, that ships out of Michigan now. But his father Mike. Spencer would one character. He was the life of everybody I. Ever Know Ten minutes ago, trappers meeting. And we used to have a ball. G Good old days, so you guys that you went to a lot of the nationals then here I've never been to one oil. You've got to go to one. I what I want to was ninety one I, think in Syracuse. That's an old car car was still alive you. Guys are gone now. One time I took a Lotta of turtles to Southern Jersey. Cow Commission Mike Swain. We wrote the. Southern Jersey with a Lotta Turtles. You send them to new, stirling. Newt Buddy. SOLD TO AND We Love, Southern Jersey, and we drove all the way to Michigan. Straight ahead, and going to Pennsylvania and that wait an angle I didn't think we'd ever get to Pennsylvania just. We got in. Cal a vicious was old trapper to masters that moved to Maine, and he was a life of the party. Everywhere could eat drink rates. Hell, he would just a comedian. In good trapper, but He had a problem then. When we come back. For Michigan. We Got New York. We thought we'd lost you. Be Putting the NITRO. and. Come out of it. Maximum I think we've lost him. A minute and he took an Nitro. And we got him home. And he looked quite well after that one. Did Yeah. Finally give. Give. Out He's A. He's the first Guy Neil thought he had a fatality. It is finally back years ago and he was in the. Past near open the door in the morning in Cowley passed out the. My Good? I got a dead man I thought he did. And then finally come walking Oh. Boy. It's GonNa be something. If Neil doesn't have it the summer, it's the first time in forty four years forty three years. WHEN IN MINNESOTA? Though This kid Minnesota any told you this. He had a blue dog. Braley let ten in the morning or at night in each hand two and that Dogwood Bella that kids are going to kick me out of here. You guys stop that. We had him. A. Dog over say. `have low and. Yeah I laugh more of that did. Jewelry too much. Yeah, he was good rat trap. Get up on beaver dam. Because he holder, he's ever wheel and deal. But he he is was go trapper. They'd always catch two three hundred rats. He he and Dan in King trapped with him some Bob and he and Dan always caught over one hundred beaver everyone. Under the ICE. All down through NEWBURGH. New Burden Dickman down to that Eerie, the Muskrat territory for Northern Maine was noted the most in my lifetime. Was the saw tell dead wash? My grandfather you've dropped down using. Eastern Limestone area all the while the boys style care when they get a bit, you know. Watershed over there, but he's. Always hers. Because we don't ransom An place back in the thirties and forties and really. Retired wouldn't name the trip from patent. Ya Candle Kid Ted Ted to Hershey. Ted. Kirsch even is good. Yeah, we're not trapped to. Hear got. My grandmother used to come down massage and and. Drop down there for kidding. But my grandfather on my mom's side. Trapped the law in the Lincoln Lear, he would live in Lincoln Lear in order. Summer he would have misogamist Axel. And He or for a few years helping a Rockefeller start, she'll farm on Barbour. ARE AMOUNT BLIZZARD OUT? He helped him to that some. 'cause you'd be working to to get undergrads around here. You'd be working off. Yeah I gotTa just shy ninety eight one year with certain areas back years ago. That lot of rats. Was No ranch. The whole error regime option. For Forty Miles West on out order to pick him road hardly. You. Don't find too many action. You find a winning. Make till you stay. You stay on, reality, radio. Server would have more made than the upper part of the rule stick. FIG which is the rats around their? Back back in the day, that was a certain tomorrow night so long and make along the chargers water. Should my dad trapped was harrow weeks talk Lisa's father around father. Grandfather. Great great uncle, remember how related but payroll weeks was the district fourth quarter? And my dad took place when Harold. I'd I mean retired? And they would make every every fault that what weeks brokers named after weeks. I would say because Weeks was tied with Lynch some. On the sports camps a little bit, and then she lynch's of. Pera weeks, daughter Married Dismiss Herschel Smith. who had all the Beta fines and now the Broccoli family? Over impress Marciel country. But his. Dad would try and they would try. That's back when they were getting twenty to thirty dollars a day. One of the boys from the Smith. As lead wages, who else throwing all these BHIVA FITO my you? Lavoie says I don't know. co-building chief threw him out there. I said no, but I threw him down at the break down below his place. Carry Day to a few feet for the coyote. Kayo and the Ravens. Hole in them. For movers drive. Yeah, he had movie feet, new driver, anything beaver and. Many okay. I started off my lawn of. Are you gonNA do with fever. Feet of enough figured out something to do with everything else, but the feet. Thing! I can think you should do is put them down a dirt hole in the fall. And you'd have one hell of. I was thinking of taking like a big spike and noun him in their also like a coyote. Get Out of. It can't pull it out right away. Back when we could put more nails than? The tree above your Martin jet. Winder nothing down that route just. Throw a few in the box and the links exclusion device maybe. Every year I I keep dying to save all market guard because. Basically. The lot of. Need I don't know if you've heard it, but neil would uson oil sack. They call one hundred. In Texas right no put in Maine mate and. Vance got pissed at him because he's you. Thanks, Neil study catching moved for. Work Now van. well-stocked bad. He said they really more. That whole coyote could not resist. You don't think everybody everything of be. Everything loves exactly. That's a naturalist food in the woods. Thank you beat Miami. Dead's company. Is Always gone. But you know. We would save in the meat on them. Oh, I've been eating. beaver made I should have brought you up some sausage that he had made Yup. I got just a little bit left. Maybe enough for one patty. But I want you to take it home with you ten ninety. Don't let me forget. Its ground up with the sausage. Mix you wine. It is good, it stringy, but good I got a good flavor. Boy And you? Against us, and just to beaver him, Bird Pat would nothing in it for spices. You Mix that with your spaghetti sauce and he says it gives it a flavor of its own. Sweet. It's good oh yeah. Although all the back straps. Fry Up. You don't have to say pounds. We had forty. And? He gave me a ten packages as big around like that you know, and he's got a mix a did. He grinds it with mixes for the sausage. Boyd that sausages. Good. Isn't. Margaret and half horse. Van Pretty. Well that's all good. Should be a market for. It Yeah! I'm GONNA eat more. This year is the most beaver meet ever eaten and I'm getting more next year. Yeah. I've had a good thing. Not Going I've always trapped of always, said GonNa do it regardless. Of always. Out, even with low prices and could you could catch more with less tracks. Catch more, and you worked out to catch more to make more to you know. And I've trapped with some good traffic. You take the Olsen. Guys like that. Probably though the best trapper I ever trapped within the spring with a guy by the name of Mike, Normal the first two years, we trapped. US from Massachusetts moved up. But he would. Really Tight Joni Talk. He'd gone tuition classes when he was a kid and joining talk trap the old fashioned way of law, yes, and the only thing I had to listen to every day. We Joni Talk Johnny. Talk. Which I didn't mind in a way, but it got to be old news because. My Oh, man would probably just as good at Joanie talk. You know what I mean. Open water. He wouldn't have been no good because he never trapped. In Germany trapped water shows. Might showed me actually the way to travel and water, and you modified that and I kept mortifies Johnny was using number two victors. Get the front. You're using TSA eighty five. Big Big Joss Brad I of it. I tried my fourteen quarter mess. Really. They're the worst open water trap for Viva. So you like the TSA five. That's kind of. Settled on, you've tried I think front futterman and catch him high. Of I don't know if I've ever footed when with T S Maybe, but I don't remember if I did have you? Have you had them pull up to the end of the? Of the drowning? Again with Ford number four do before Dukes I've had. To the end and then pull us out. I had a front four in it. And I said somebody. Cut that when they go with the Front for out into deep water, would forty pounds of rock. and. The thing ain't even twisted open Nelson and there's a front foot. You automatically think. Somebody cut that foot off to that bag with wrote the straight. Three days later caught that even a corner beer really. Yup upstream from where we would. Trapping I caught that bieber needed foot missing. What do you think it was about? The just went to the end, and it must have caught him just right. And when he twisted once, he was gone head to be doing no mess of any kind. The DS. You don't have you haven't had that issue. Not really catches Soho. I usually tear trap, too. But what do you like? What for a lot of people that never used those drafts never chat open monitor beaver. Like what what's that you look to make? Did, I like to me. Yeah, what does it look like? If you're going to a spot and you see you see an area where you wanNA. Make you set. It depends it. There's so many variations to be condone every time that you think you've got the perfect paw whether they're coming out to cast. That's not where they come on. The outcome over land, some place and carry mud and you've watched that teachers of the night. You Damn right video. showed me a lot of things. I never realized. Because a lot of times they'll come. They'll come way off the side come. They'll come back into the water or. Why did I catch a Lotta? People by the Hind forty, even warm set for the Front Foot Yep. He's going back down that perfect spot that you'd think. He's coming up and goes over with his front foot, and he put his hind foot. RIGHT INDOOR, yeah! So, do you? Do you worry about like cow GP? Set Your trapper Y-. You just said it. I've caught beaver behind foot coming out of places, two feet deep. They put that down and of calling me by the tail. In a t s will hold viva but detail. You gotTA come to Church. Know what so? Deep need must. Detail to help him. Feet hit the. Everybody tell. So I used to think okay. I need to set a trap. Okay, Front foot, catch on foot. Catch a be under this much. War started actually trapping in the spring. And, the water level changes by footer do every day. Business Thing in the spring is you gotta think now you stop and think about this. If the water rising you set for front foot. Draw Start Setting Hind foot. And worked with words. If you don't use screwed. And a lot of guys ain't figured that out yet. Yep, the water's rising set for front foot water dropping. Hind. and. Except for front foot. In the morning, and when we would going back through which don't check them good, we knew the water was dropping so fast and they'd be completely Outta Water And I've never known yet to catch a beaver and a foot trap the trap outta water. Really never. He always gone around and he goes. Kidding Yup. If it's underwater. You catch him but a corner. Sometimes they'll go through because I. see one a Neil one time trapping against him. And the water a draw with no water there. In the Herald was trapping with many says I. Guess we ain't got to worry bolts here. In three days later, the military at a beaver. Dam. Leftover? That more the more I think about it though. This much icing froze Radian, and no water under the run completely dried out for this much in the corner is set near with ice stuck right in frozen solid. And it melted out and Aviva went through that after Mel. Don't go call. Cut that out of the audio. Only say! That on camera. It was funny. And then the the look on Herald face the next time this. Be would it was comical? Yeah things happen. You're setting that you set in that trap and then do you like to use blocking to get beaver step over the trap? Pretty much. But would that bumper stick? That's the biggest thing. They hit that bumper. Stick and they feet go down automatically. If, you don't have that stick deals. Stick great there. They'll slide right on over. Put the feet above the trap. In Cro in spring you travel, you'll. You'll have tonio from Hind foot or something. So where do you like to put the bumper sticker? Right in front of the trump. At the edge of the water, but right there at the right angle so that when they swim that hit some radio. I. Don't think much of a stick. Just the whole, Charlie Dobbins preached at to me. It's a national. Every time he told me how to do something he he would preach the bumperstickers really. Like the size of a Pencil Yogurt small. You don't need much just enough. Form the boom. And as soon as they hit something, evidently, their instinct is feet. Go Down, get planted. In do you set drop off to one side or the other from museum? Might Ford Dukes I offset them. You give them setting the tes it so big. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter too much, but once in a while you'll miss him with a t s so you've got to go with a little bit depending on? Their coming in and I think lots of time to be. Don't come straight in anyways. Could you watch him? They swim by looking at the water kern. Usually that time of year, the water so high in this move pretty fast, so they either they either us one of them back eighty. Of Western get caught. Yeah. Deal Circle and circle. Yeah, while you set the trap new back and hide, and they smell that scent. And Pretty soon they come. And every time of watched him. They never never come out where you think they're gonNA. Come home. You say outed I. Catch any before, but that'd be, I don't know if he make to settle. But he'll come out and you just miss it. and. They knew he's smit is melody casten he'll. He'll put more his on it and frequent. Yep, and you'll go back in and get caught. GET CAUGHT! Your. Because you automatically assume as a trapper? Okay, I'm setting the trap beavers coming in whom he gets caught. Great it don't work. But you'd think it would, but it don't always work. It's that time of year to what's on your mind. Center And their smell. In the. First, they're going to come back around. They said that. You the the way that I travel now a lot I did it a lot issue. I wasn't using my caster no. And it seemed to work really good and I think that's why catching them big. Super blanket females. Because I wasn't using castor. What we're used. You said there are no secrets. No I think I sure if that? Makes Sense. But my dad taught me I will make. You said you catch on. Don't forget to Rub yes. I didn't mink coat every time I catch when all over the bank put that change. John, from that one is caught right there. That's the best. Yeah, just like when you catch A. Circle is the best. Another mink has been the and they don't own way since the but. Usually, it's fear, but they don't care. They gotta smell what he feed or animals. More or less Fussy, that's what you're making. Look at you. got. Your mate. Maybe best trapper few mistakes on, doesn't it? If they got one thing on the brain, they out the other thing I do i. I. But in my age I don't hide. This one is when I catch a beaver. I milked at beaver wrote. It that yeah, yeah, and that lasts all season. That stuff is strong. Yeah, all it Piston Piscopo through the caster. So it's mixed with castor, but there's something about that. All pissed now milk. Komo and I. Don't have to do nothing to this set ever for the rest of we to. You don't have to worry about secrets because none of these other trappers. Wanted to on. How many years got trapping thirty? If I've got five years left. I'm lucky. You know to get around good. Yeah, so somebody could take over and. Do. Hey, hope you guys enjoyed that into stay tuned for a little bit more as a lot of fun for just even listening to that again for the second time around. 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In the News: What the Return of NCAA Football Could Mean for College Esports

College Esports QuickTake

03:31 min | 8 months ago

In the News: What the Return of NCAA Football Could Mean for College Esports

"Welcome to in the news where I'm talking about the return of NCAA Football on my dreams as the ecology Sports quick take from E Sports Network. Okay. This is a bit out there when it comes to college Esports news, but I checked through all the major sports Publications looking for any news focused on ecology Sports and found NADA for the last week. So we're going to talk about NCAA football coming back which was announced a few weeks ago for those unfamiliar with the title. NCAA football is effectively Madden with college teams. The game was discontinued in 2014 after concerns about using players likenesses without them being paid off in the NCAA title players were not named they just had a position and a number but if Florida had a great QB or Texas had a great running back those players skills and sometimes their numbers as one that would match the real life player that quickly became a headache Fourier and they did away with the Beloved series, but recently more court cases are pushing the NCAA to have players be compensated for using them. Likenesses this is often tied into jersey sales as one example, but it is also help facilitate the return of NCAA football and I think the return of this game has two potential implications for college Esports first the amateurism rule that became such a headache for a around NCAA football is huge for Collegiate Esports. Mostly because it's the main thing preventing the ncaa's involvement in Collegiate Esports, alongside the violence considerations as well considering all games or stream by at which the built-in monetization forced NTA to stay out. If somebody just dropped the donation and that ruins somebody's amateur status wage, that would be huge and be just super hard for the NCAA to deal with and I think most people a t Sports were generally happy about NCAA keeping e Sports at an Arm's Reach but recently sold it actually changed course. Check out my interview with UTIs Mark Debbie for more on that front. He's now a proponent for why College Esports might actually need the NCAA the other implication I could see this having is getting athletic departments more FAQ. Alden e sports right now e Sports primarily run through Student Life programs. Sometimes game studies of various academic institutions not the athletic Department's that run off all Collegiate Sports and a large part of that is the issues with Title Nine given that it's still a male-dominated industry and all athletic departments need to have an even split between the two genders. But what NCAA comes out it gives the athletic department a clean parallel in Esports just like the NFL embraced Madden and NFL owners been further expanded into Esports. The NCAA release can be the first connective Bridge The Varsity Sports programs tied to Collegiate Athletics. Now again Title Nine and amateurism rules still exist, and those still could potentially create problems. But the return of NCAA might be a moment where we look back on and we're like, oh, yeah that helped push athletic departments into adopting Esports. That's all of his episode on this feed and on the East parts that were podcast. I published one of my favorite episodes to date palm. Interviewed Northwood and akron's Esports Varsity program directors. They are the two dominant Collegiate rocket League teams, and they'll face off in a show match hosted by E fuse tonight at 6 p.m. Eastern time. We spoke to Esports recruiting. My only a few programs are able to be dominant and where the ecology Sports scene is headed over all again. You could find that on this feed or on the E Sports Network podcast and be tuned in to effuse tonight at 6 p.m. Eastern time.

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The Cross Maniac & Young Love

Bad In The Boondocks

39:28 min | 1 year ago

The Cross Maniac & Young Love

"They're on today's episode of bad in the boondocks discuss diet. Nathan Sell Astray no Andrew. Who's GonNa talk about Jasmine Richardson? You're now listening to bed in the boondocks baby. Now then and after the yeah hey and welcome to another fun field episode of bad in the Boondocks as always I'm when he hosts how stand and I'm drew has ago in it's going to Dell Ganga. We're doing two weeks in a row. Woo Woo. We're getting better. Yes yes all right first of all. This is our website it is Boondocks pod dot com. Yes please visit our instagram. INSTAGRAM are handles EXPAT and the That's right thing. That's it's right and look us up on facebook just go to facebook and look ban the boondocks. We'll come on a leave. Some comments start up a discussion Also October twenty four th which is a Saturday. We're going to be at the SEMANA Chrome Expo. Yes we have into Savannah of Anna in so long Samana is a wonderful place whereas on a host. Meet up there too if anybody comes so you need to go. It's in Savannah the Georgia which is a great place October. Twenty four the go to. WWW DOT savannah chrome expo dot com. And get your tickets. You can meet us there and it's GonNa be some awesome speakers. I know Doctor Henry Lee is going to be there. If we meet some friends we might go bowling with you. Who knows But anyway we'll do something no we're GONNA do. A couple of episodes at the expo is that that is the woman on always forget her name. Yes that would be her. Dang it I always forget her name. And it's just lost Momma off. Forget it all the time. I don't know I never forget it but I have now while the woman who has Outta yes out. If that's who it is yeah anyways Coming to stare. We hope you're good Tom. We know you'll have a good time if you call you you go and get tickets at be something really fun. They're gonNA have escape rooms and stuff like that minutes yes and if anything Savannah Georgia just a place that you should always get lime warney not yet we are suck at escape. Rooms just clarify the last on the we went to an escaped room. The guys basically said that you get three hints. We've used about fifty who you so many and got out at the last awesome. And they ain't yeah ain't got no the last few seconds like we had like twenty seconds left but there was no way. I don't think that I don't. I don't see how there could be any way that person would get that one that we went to. I don't see it. You'd have to be really smart another thing that really helps as if you recommend own group that People Eighth I ask for suggestions recommend us or tele friend posted on your facebook posted on instagram. Can't get us out there. Yes because it really does help and it gets US more faithful listeners. Coming in and we won't more listener. You won't more listeners so that we can get and we want the listeners. We have to be more interact with us so leave a some good reviews as Dorsan and talk for hours yes start some discussions start some combos on instagram and facebook I do facebook. Doesn't stir. Yeah but I'll respond literally like if you who takes me something on instagram normally respond. I'm an if I want to if I feel like it then on only respond like within a minute after you post it because I get everything off on some reason. I don't understand understand what other people don't like respond or tech's back whenever I do it because you know because normally people had their phone in their finance a lot of the time unless you're like at work or something less all I got say about that instagram. And you'll seek some cool photos and stuff all right. I'M GONNA go ahead and get into my case into now. This happened in Brazil so there's compete some things that I'll course pronounce. We'll let me tell you so. Forgive me ahead of Tom. Villa Brazil's beaches are pretty nice. My Babe I oh no no look Diet Nathan. Sell a street better known as maniac of the Cross us and these crimes they occurred in Rio. Bravo haunt Mato Grosso to do so the Genera S. all at on her in two thousand and eight a sixteen year old boy panicked the residents of the city of Rio. Bro Haunt Dane in the interior of Mato. Grosso do soul with a knife. He approached his victims and forced them to report what their intimate life was like. And the relationship that they had with God based on an interview he raided the person as either pure or impure and then the criminal killed him leaving the victim's bodies in the shape of a cross which earned him that nickname maniac of the cross else. There were three victims credited to the Maniac July twenty fourth two thousand and eight. The first discrim thirty three year old bricklayer. Catalino Corvina is found dead in a vacant lot. Oh Muhammad Ali the street in the city centre. According to forensics he had been stabbed to death in the heart and Hong with a garbage bag. Oh Oh wow. The word in very was written on his chest which means Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews Very le-let religious religious. I'm not sure how many people religious people kill but a man. I guess you could say mobile. I meant you could say that. Maybe he was doing for like God or something on North. God needs any help the second era. I'm on August. Twenty four th of two thousand eight. It was exactly a month after the first death and Latisha Shia Neves twenty two years old. You're doing perfect with these names. I'm doing I'm doing pretty good a leaves. The house at night insist assist. She will meet friends but she never came back. Wow so where she go. Her body had been found. Just forty meters from inside the cemetery. The scene frightened the residents and the city policeman. I don't think they have Much of that kind of stuff go onto no now I live Latisha was naked lying on top of the tomb with her arm. MM spread and her legs together. Her feet were crossed as if she had been crucified. The coroner testified as a cause of death was fixation asssociation caused by choking as Latisha had across tattoo on her chest. A killer ended up not repeating what he had done with Catalina so so he left no inscription on the girl a survivor. August twenty fourth. Two Thousand Eight. The deaths and the way in which the crimes happened frightened of course all the residents although the police still do not emit the action action of a serial killer it was all the work of the same murderer. Ville fearful that he would follow the pattern and kill on the twenty twenty four. Th of each month fathers would not let their daughters go to classes shops closed. Before hours deserted streets squares and sidewalks occurred. Nobody dared to leave the house. So Yeah but only twenty four three S. All the Tom Tom Because on the on the twenty four th all it he'd have to do is yes but they're thinking I know that but pair thinking he did it on the twenty four th the the first time and then the twenty fourth next month. Yeah I know that but all the have to do is change in. Yes but usually a serial killer won't change it if that's there then our winner. Roy picked that date I thus not Easter isn't I don't think eastern August Not August but I'm it twenty four th the next month and then twenty four Nasmyth. I was just wondering like maybe it's something to do with like gone or something heard the Bible a show however took place that night and the show was of country duo and it was a public failure but there were some people that took the risk and went out to see two teenagers. Miners were part of the group of people who ventured out of the House on that twenty four th of August to watch the show of the country do in the city of Rio Bronte. The show was part of the city's anniversary celebrations. One of the France was name. Hi I'm Carla. She was seventeen and she decided to leave. She called her mother but her cell phone credits had run out so she decided to go to a payphone. She made contact with her mother and asked her that she she or someone else would please come pick her up and her mother trust order a taxi but failed and she finally asked an acquaintance from family to pick up her daughter. Carla's mother called her daughter to communicate this. But this time Corlett didn't answer the payphone. Carla was waiting for the return of mothers call when she was approached by men wearing black clothes and cloak wearing a record with a Pentagram and with is nails and lips painted in black and he was carrying a knife or to Dork. Without saying many words the man approached and said go walking bitch. They walked for several minutes between the streets of the small town of Rio as they walled. The strange man constantly said that he would free her from our sins and send enter to heaven way but is there nobody else walking around. I guess not remember most people stay indoors. It wouldn't come out. This is the twenty fourth your home so he had a knife yes that's how he got her to do what he said but was he holding her. He had the knife at her. You're really making this more difficult than it was saying. Oh so if somebody comes up to you even put a knife at you and says go walk in. You're probably going to go walk especially there's nobody around hill. I'M A if you're a female. Also a young female. Yeah Yeah and finally. They found a house under construction. That's when no the interview started you and can you say. Can you read Carla. Gosh this is the interview. Do you believe in God. Yes are you a virgin. Yes how many boyfriends have you had none. What is your sexual option? I'm heterosexual while being interviewed by the strange fan. Uh Carla cell phone kept bringing and it was her mom desperate searching for information about her daughter at one point. The Stranger said Ed you must be loved by your family. Yes a lot after more than two hours of interview. The strange man said you're really naive. I went out to kill a bitch and I found you. Are you free at at the time. Carla told the police that she didn't show any fear and she didn't panic and she just let him talk all the while. She thought that she wouldn't make it out. Love Love upon being interviewed Carla intelligently realized what was going on in the maniacs alienated head so she answered all the questions so as not upset the journalists analyst Paulo Lopez says in his blog that the first question the maniac asked was did she believe in God and she said Yes. Ask in return the question in an attempt to establish a friendly dialogue so after he would say do you believe in God yes. Do you believe in God. But he he said No. The strange guy also wanted to know if she was version and they answer was yes and then he asked several times if she had a boyfriend and Carla always said no and she asked him the same thing and he said. Do you think anyone Kwan would date me and she replied I think so who. Jesus that's how you kind of get them. Yacht the smartness of that showing interest it seemed to have worked exactly 'cause she did live the third crime October six two thousand eight on October seventh. The body of a thirteen year old teenager was found in a building in rea- she had been killed. He'll the night. Before the victim's name was glee say Kelly distill them and her body was positioned in the shape of a crucifixion with crossed feet and open arms. She had on no blouse and no BRA. This was already the third crime with the same characteristics that occurred in the last few months but he did change the date com monsoon soon now there was no longer any doubt that the city of twenty seven thousand inhabitants had become area of operation of serial killer. Dr Panic was very widespread among the city's inhabitants and so much so that rumors began to surface Galore. People began to claim that alongside inside the first two victims notes. Bearing the names of seven people have been found to be murdered by the maniac. This supposed list was called the Devil's list but the existence of the list was denied by the police but the police had no concrete leads in. That would help them resolve this murders. No no suspects no physical evidence. The main line of Investigation was that the crimes were the result of the action of Tanic set with the pressure of the population and the press increase into civil police of Rio asked for help from the regional place. They joined forces forces with police officers from the General Investigation Services in the neighboring municipality of Dorados or Doritos the crimes Renos. The crimes named crime stock rose made headlines in Brazil. The police were investigating the case. The third body appeared gleese. Kelly Silva Thirteen was found. Dead in a house under construction on. Rua Mino- Bente NTA. At the scene of the crime. Some crosses Anna note with loose letters. Were found one of the words that the letters formed was inferno. The discovery of the body of the young girl left city in shock and the police under pressure but what the police did not know. was that the arrest arrest. The maniac would be much easier than they imagined and come from a much. Less unimaginable clue orbit. An orbit. You know is like a texting like a chat room type thing. Yeah after seeing a comment on a profile scrapbook on gleese Kelly's orchestra. The police began investigating the user dog hill. Six six six. They realized that the user was Gothic and photo album. Several pitchers in cemetery and simulations of satanic rituals. Oh my God is that him yes noda yesterday with yet. I don't know if I could hold a conversation with him. She took me some communities. Are the suspect. Call attention on the police. I hate the Sun. I love corpses NECROPHILIA. I Lick Komo Upload Cemetery Second Home Ah Punch is worth a thousand words death to the Goth bitches smiling deforms the face and I'm not afraid of your God. Those clues were important but they warn enough. There should be something more concrete. gleese Kelly's telephone home confidentiality was broken. The police discovered that an unknown cell phone number called her number even after her death when investigating it turned out that the number number was a child under sixteen from the city and as the police suspected the smallest was the user Doll Tale. Six six six. Who was insulting? gleese Kelly's friends on Orca. The maniacs name was Diana. `then `then Diane Nathan Sula Stream. Jesus Kerr's at two o'clock in the morning on October super night. The Monitor was apprehended at his home in his room. The police found a blood-stained pocket knife which was used to mark the chest at the first victim. gleese Kelly's Blau Latisha bracelets newspaper clippings with the reports on the case a poster poster of the Park Maniac and some adult magazines because she got the kitchen jackal. Jesus the maniac the teenagers coldness. It astounded the cops. The minor showed no remorse whatsoever and he said said that he planned to kill again. He was inspired by Francisco Pereira. Who became known as the Maniac of the park for the crimes committed in CEO Paula a decade ago and the boy had a goal to exceed the number of murders that were committed by him? According to the minor he killed the victims because they believed in God but did not live up to his divine teachings. Catalino died because she was an alcoholic. I'm he was alcohol and homosexual Latisha because she was supposed to be homosexual and gleese for being drug user he put the victims in a crucifixion position so that they would find their God. According to him in that position salvation would come soon. The police investigation could well. What the a police investigation concluded that the teenager was leader of a group that attended cemeteries and adored the image of Satan? Another five miners were indicted headed for indirect participation in the crimes they knew that Dia Nathan had killed however they did not tell the police anything out of respect for their leader. A virtual girl friend named Daniela was also investigated through messages on orbit. The Maniac had told told her that he had killed three people and he did. Did he was arrested interview and remember. He's just out sixteen. Are you serious yeah. I didn't hear that poor. Yeah but but it started out. He was under sixteen. That's your type stall Ena That is your type style. But he was called. The interview went on trial but then he got released for some miss done. Don Thing in within the bookings are you serious. Yes but he got caught then he was called back then he escaped. Oh were they name was called again and now he's still in jail. Oh My god Jesus he could have gotten. I feel like he coulda gotten away. We did get even know he was going for a day. Yeah I don't WanNa get away but I'm just saying like I feel like he could gotten away and Knob and Co see. That's him without any. Yeah that's him him without makeup silica evil. We Look Pretty Normal selects lucky kill somebody while he came and he had but I mean yet with those people like that you have to talk them you have to talk. Get them on your goods there. Good Czarina we'll quote. Poston his big. Thus who's pitcher will post. I have a good one on well. Okay I think we're GONNA take a short little break here and we will see when a won't see you because we're talking to you but you'll heroes would. Have we come back. We might be able to see him. Who Oh yeah? If y'all want us to do a facebook live soon. Let's get in touch and let us know you see a second but talk to you in a second and we are back and I've got some super good Homemade Broccoli Cheddar sue Kay. Well what You're eating while I am whatever. Okay it's not is it sup- bird good. I'll see what it's such a stupid and lame. Man This is it. It doesn't qualified even being a joke. Category while new. We talk him out her Jasmine Richardson. The Richardson family. Murders an unbelievable case. Where a twelve year old twelve year old Jasmine S.? When Richardson and Boyfriend Jeremy Steinke Steinke? I it sounds. Sounds like you're saying stone stone but Steinke Dislike S. T. E. N. k. e. so suck steinke stank Killed her entire family in medicine hat. Alberta Canada medicine hat. No they have weird names Jasmine describes herself as you're bus. Sexual Nocturnal awkward a deep thinker and insane. Aw Jasmine's hobbies were listed as dark poetry criminal psychology blood kinky shit and human anatomy. She wore makeup. That made her look older. And how washy twelve but also did the picture. She looked like she was like like nineteen twenty. Sure you did. Because their parents forbid her to see Jeremy Elm she and Jeremy sorted to talk about killing her parents as you do whenever are you whenever a parent says not see guy not really. I'm just picking. She loved him and nobody will separate them as Not even her parents when we truly love someone we do crazy things for an end. The name of love in this case Remond remain reminds signed a lot of people about Romeo and Juliet. Jeremy was the perfect boyfriend for Jasmine. It was everything she wanted. Their parents parents did what any loving parent would do and protect her daughter were they never knew was. They needed protection from their daughter. Jasmine Aspen and Jeremy decided the only way to be together as to kill the ones that stood. In their way desmond's online user name was was runaway devil and said she was fifteen years old. According to one of the letters online she wrote this to Jeremy would said I have this plan. It begins with me killing them. In an INS with me. Living with you our mandate Jeremy replied to her and said payment. My lover's rent are totally unfair. They say they really care. They don't know what is going on. They just assume as their Greek continues to consume. She is slowly slowly going insane. She continues to think that I came into her life to help her out and stop what they keep trying to shout. It's all total bullshit their throats. I won't to slit. They were regret the shit they have done. Especially when I see it see the to it that they are gone. They show they show pay for their insolence. Finally there shall be silence their blood shelby payment. Did you say how he's twenty three okay. But that is some weird weird. That's just weird any road like it was a poem you know to a twelve year. Old Exactly Jasmine's presents idols. Were Ciro killer. Jeffrey Dahmer and singer Marilyn Manson nothing wrong with that but whenever you start taking in Dan their methods in like trying to you know kill and stuff that tastes it a little too far and she even told her friends about the plan to kill her parents. Her friends laughed at her and told her she was joking as she was raised in a good household. And when not do something like that in turn. Jeremy told her he liked plan to kill her parents as he loved. Tur- too but they need To me more creative and have a plan. Jeremy told his friends that he and Jasmine will carry out the killings but her brother must also die the night before they killed her family. They watched their favorite movie natural born killers. That seems is to be a lot of times. What People Watch before they go? Killing spree is a nineteen ninety four film about a couple who killed people across America and on the night of April twenty. Second two thousand six. Jeremy entered the Richardson home. Killing Debra and Marc. You're all jasmine was upstairs with her brother. When Jeremy entered the room her brother Oh my God Komo. I ain't got Tom to answer. You Dome Calls God. Let me get back to well on them. mm-hmm when Jeremy entered the room of her brother he told her to stab her brother as he did everything for her she I said she cannot and her brother pleaded for his life and said he's too young to die by. Jasmin grabbed him from behind and stabbed him in the chest in Jeremy the Enslin his throat according to sources sources. Jeremy left the Richardson's home and went back to his trailer. A while later. Jasmine let the house and took a cab to seven eleven in medicine hat and walked from there to Jeremy's trailer two hours after the murders. There were laughing in eating in a restaurant. They were planning to leave the province the next day. They monitor left that mine yet. They should have but how you know how they were discovered is is how the bodies were discovered. A friend of Jacob came to visit him own April twenty third two thousand six. We'll he thought he saw body through the window and went back home to tell US mother. She immediately called the police through the basement window. Detective Brent second you you were just looking at like second Yuck Yuck second deeg it. It really does sound one hook. Whatever well he saw a body call for backup he thought that there may be someone inside? That is still alive. Will they found Deborah. She was killed. I in stabbed many times. Well Mark Fall back with the screwdriver screwdriver but he was also stabbed to death in the basement and his body was so mutilated that there was hardly any would lift in his body because he had been stabbed so many times. You know yeah. Jake was found in his bedroom upstairs. Stabbed and his throat was slit. It became apparent that twelve year old jasmine was missing and the police immediately thought that she may have been kidnapped and sent out an amber alert. Well after short of investigation. The police suspects jasmine in Jeremy after they they found on their emails and Accounts Online on April twenty. Four th two thousand. Six police found them in out leader. Saskatchewan okay eighty miles from medicine hat system of so odd. Well when they were arrested there were laughing and code cuddling in his struck. Jasmine Jeremy were both charged with murdering her mother father and brother while they were imprisoned. They exchanged letters and one of the letter. Share me proposed Jasmine and she accepted but she's twelve. Exactly it is said that jasmine even bragged about the murders and said turned them into legends. Made them immortal like she was like a vampire. Santa you know that's really the thing about it. And while she was like a vampire and I guess need to blood or something well under the Youth Criminal Justice Sag. Jasmine same can't be published in Canada but on when she became a suspect twelve years as the youngest person can be charged with with a crime. Since she was under fourteen in years she cannot be sentenced as an adult and the maximum sentence she could would be ten years on the on May third two thousand six Jeremy's friend. Casey Lancaster nineteen was charged with being in assists refer driving the couple in her pickup and disposing of the the evidence. The Murder Charges Against Casey was later dropped and cheaply guilty to an extra obstruction of justice charge and received wing year house house arrest well but she was ordered not to use. This is something she was ordered not to use was any drugs and alcohol part part of the plea bargain well. Jasmine was found guilty on three counts of first degree murder on July late night. Two thousand seven. She was the youngest person ever convicted of murdering Canada on November eighth. Two thousand seven. She was sentenced to the maximum Salaam of ten years in prison. She was fourteen years old at her sentencing for years she would spend in a psychiatric tossed. biddle in four years under supervised probation. She would be twenty three years old when she completed her sentence and still has her whole Zell. Yeah outliving her life because four years under supervised probation twenty three years old when she completed her Senate. That's nothing so as our whole life ahead so is dismissed up and of course she wrote something about you know Regretting what she did and stuff like that. Oh she was young and whatever you still you you murdered your parents. It's and your brother. I'm in the brother definitely. Didn't have nothing to do with you. Know saying he was just younger brother and how was he. I'm sure Jeremy Straw stored in November seventeenth. Two Thousand Eight. He was found guilty and sentenced to three life sentences on December fifteenth. Two Thousand Eight. Wow that's pretty must contact no gets. Our Love was not that now wasn't wasn't she was twelve years old and then by the time that the trial happened she was fourteen and she probably already you know she was fourteen in and out by twenty three S. Not Very Fair that that's not very fair at all ISM sir. We'll those were pretty cases if number one if my mother wasn kept calling me home video chat which disrupted my phone and secondly the computer kind of froze off. It was five. Yeah it was font font but I'll I'll like to see it the recording he gets in a hissy fit. Yes because because there have been many of times that it stopped like that record and just the because he took well. Anyways for many times stopped recording and Tom we've been talking for the next twenty minutes and then we have to go back and Redo it and then he's really pissed. Yup You know why because most Tom's the first time was the best like it was great. no-one Redo the second home. It doesn't in his emotion. It doesn't have excitement it just splaying because we don't want to re recording. No Sam all right guys. Well Swab we caught for you this week as always UP IN SAN MHM trying to think of a fact of the day. The Sky's blue there. You go now actually quite cloudy pretty cloudy. Sorry now but actual sky is blue which makes no sense. What is bler? Never read up on that anyways and I'm always drew. We'll talk to you next time yet. We'll see you next time.

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Hour 4: 4/9/19

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Hour 4: 4/9/19

"The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent on grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. What's in your wallet? The cried pack then patron Torri of college football leagues here. The Paul finebaum show. Our four podcast. We're back. Glad you're with us and another hour to go, and we've got a busy when man started off with Scott Woodward, the director, and a and m we also talk Eric muscleman new coach at Arkansas a lot of other conversations and San react from big orange country about the basketball decision by Phillip Fulmer to keep reborn by offering him more money and the decision to hire Kelly Harper to replace Holly Warlick, let's go back to the call today. Five to four two seven two eight five and Davis is in Kentucky. Hello davis. Hello Paul are there. Originally from Knoxville born in offs Ville lived the last place. I lived in Austria was on west clinch, which I'm sure you know, where it is. Sure. Do yes, I do. And I was I lived in Austin for I was thirteen I used to ride my bicycle over to shield Watkins feel to watch Colonel nail volunteers workout. Oh, my I was a kid when I was a kid. I lived in also his thirteen well when I was thirteen my dad took a job in Puerto Rico, and we moved to Puerto Rico from forty eight fifty two and adult rub brought the Kentucky team to Puerto Rico and nineteen fifty one. And that was the team with Spivey's rob Pless Ramsey Hagan, et cetera, and they played three or four exhibition games. And I got to go to a couple of them. And I bought a I bought an eight by ten black and white glossy of Kara at all in the in the team. And while they were there. I went to the Cazadores beach hotel. L which anybody's ever vacation in Puerto Rico where that's at. When's the Cadeau beach hotel one day? I was sixteen years old got to meet coacher up that his signature, and he made it. He asked me where I was from. And I said well from Tennessee originally, and he said, yeah, he said we beat them in basketball every year, and I was smart enough. And I said, yeah, we'd beat you in football. That's great. And I know you're of course for time, but I'll finish up here. No taking the next thing. I the next thing. I did I went out to the swimming pool. And here was all these big seven foot tall basketball players. These little five foot tall Puerto Rican girls frolicking around the pool, and I got I got all their autographs, and the only thing I can say Paula regret. I've lost that pig photograph. No, though, don't know what happened to it. So. But anyway, I'm not saying that's a great story. I really do. I live in I live in northern Kentucky. I came up here and got a job back in nineteen fifty seven, but that's still bleed orange. I was down to the Florida Tennessee game at neyland couple years ago when Josh stav they beat Florida's a couple years ago that the day when so damn hot it was like a hundred and something degrees. I'm sure you remember that I do. Yes. And anyway, and then my son my youngest son our down to the sensex tuck game at -rupt several weeks ago the the game they lost. And and we had real good seats. I was sitting about four rows behind Phil Fulmer he was at the end of the Tennessee bench and even got the speak to fill up. So just want to let you know. And I'm a fan of your show in this first. I'm first time caller fan of your show, and I'm a big fan of Tennessee and Knoxville's well Davis. Thank you for calling. Nice of you to be here. Hope you'll call back. I sure will. Thank you very much. Paul really enjoyed that. That was cool herald is up next herald good afternoon. Hello, thanks for the call. And I'll ask you are on hardball. Anyways. Oh that fella. Davis from Kentucky held a thank coach Bryan for the football. He talked about you're right. Then you and then a couple of things if I may out of that. While there is alleged. Would you consider Wallace way then legend? I would. Yes, they wound up I love bowl in twenty six or Johnny Mak banner, actually. But anyway, and he went to he got into it with with the president left when Duke he sure did then legend followed by Frank Thomas, one of those from an assistant coach from me rottenness say. And he was Spiro successful semester championship or so. Yeah. You know, you're right about that. Frank Thomas may be one of the most under rated discuss coaches, and I got a chance to study him fairly closely in his resume is unbelievable. Yeah. And one other say you Paul last week you had Sunday Smith. Colleen. No, you if if I may I'd like to share a story about Sunday my experience on his fifth. Sure, I was over one field at the gymnasium over there. When Sunday and went. Had a had a they listed one. And will to wear trying to get a six three hundred pound center outta leads but Albany business. Well, sauna got up there. He said that I got hired as football coach and a big house put on put the country back yard and did take off my trailer. But way, I'm ped- that a copies of his book plant have and talk, and you know, what I'm telling you wrote a book. What plan proxy, I didn't know him could read. No. I haven't done that. By the way, I say that that's a that's a wimp Sanderson joke on me. So. Anyway. Anyway, they way they taught and that book, you know, you've probably read the book he went from covering Alabama as an assistant coach Alabama on a bar code on Bologne. Well, that is a great story. And and and I'm about to copies of that litter once I'm older son went to make the sun being best ball unforced. But anyway, I take and they both oughta their best wishes that sunny and went that that was one right? Well, I'll tell you what I thanks for the call here saw Sunday at the SEC basketball tournament. I and I had not seen him in a couple of years. And he was great. He was fantastic when he was with us, and you mentioned Frank Thomas who want a couple of national championships in Alabama. Nobody you you could we could throw a rock down the street and not find too many people that know anything about him. But. Or he went national championships. I think he won them in the thirties and forties. But the fact that he he he was he was under rock knee. I think really made him even more revered at Alabama. Dan is in Louisiana. Hello, dan. Welcome to the show. Hey, paul. Thanks mccall. Thank you very much. That's going to ask you do questions. If I can just see what you have to say about it too. How far do you? Think of the will weigh situation is going to set back LSU basketball. Dan. I think it's going to have a significant impact. Because right now, I would think recruiting is at a standstill. There's no there's no one in charge. And if you're a potential future recruit, you have to be very concerned about you know, where where is where does the program stand? Now. Now, the good deal. Good news is we're within two weeks of this testimony, by way, and I think at that point. But, but but it just seems like this thing should have been taken care of weeks ago. Right. Do you think the incompetence goes all the way up the ladder? I do. Yes. Hey, okay. And. Offer this. I don't know if incompetence is the word, I think lack of direct I think the administration there is is concerned about about. The power structure of that of that state. And there seems it's hard for me to believe that there's still a lot of support for will way. But every time I say that I get pushed back by people to tell me there is right, right? Okay. You know? I just think it'd probably going to hurt LSU or for years I to be and I mean, this is where we're now about a month into this story. And it's I mean, the they'll actually running the turn amount was good. It got everybody's mind off the the reality. But we had pizza Milan yesterday, Dan. And he wrote the story over the weekend about the FBI coming to Baton Rouge. That. I mean, listen, you can you can you can look at it any way you want. It's hard to look at it and find anything but negativity right? And I know, and you know, I just I fair for LSU LSU basketball and was going to ask you a football question. Jour-? I watched this spring game unless you, you know, play and they're changing the philosophy. I mean, they only well they never went under understanding once the whole game and Joe boroughs. He seemed out of out of rhythm trying to throw the quick passes. And all and I'm just wondering, you know, people might think that they can put this philosophy in it LSU and in blunt spring and summer practice initiated in the fall, and I just wondered your thoughts on that by Dan, that's a. A great question. And with all the basketball talk over the weekend. I haven't really got. We haven't moved in that direction. But we'll talk about that in the coming days. I really appreciate you bring that up because it it did slipped. My mind with the end of the run for the Tigers. Hey, thank you for the call. We'll get somebody on that before the week is over as we head for another spring football weekend. But right now, we're heading toward a break. We'll get to more your calls in just a moment. Listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Glad you're back with us. A lot of this is the time of the year. We're players are coming out for the draft some changing their mind, we heard from grant Williams today. PJ Washington also announced this week that he is coming out. Ever. Last year is decision to stay help springboard many to believe this could be a long run to the tournament for the cats. John hill joins us from Louisville courier journal, John. Great to have you back really enjoyed the last conversation. Let let's talk about PJ as we begin this conversation. Certainly he meant a great deal to this program. I think that would be a major understatement. Good afternoon. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, he was a kid that year ago probably wanted to go pro in a one at a first round guarantee, though when he didn't find it when he was working out with teams when he went to the combine on deadline day. I like to come back, and he was on a trajectory where he probably was going to move into that first round range, regardless wasn't satisfied with that put in a bunch of work. He made his three point shot a much more liable weapon than it was a freshman. He basically improved in every category. Then add onto the fact that he had the injury for the first two games of the insulate tournament comes back from that. As maybe the two best games. His career against Houston and Auburn, and he's really carved out a spot in program history. Where fans are going to have really fond thoughts about BDO Washington for a long time. And I wanna go go there next because certainly he he has been a symbol of very positive symbol which too often. We don't we don't get. So how does that trickle down? What does that do for future players who are on the bubble? So to speak. Yeah. I think it definitely sends a message. It's interesting. I I don't know effects guys like come Johnson or maybe in Tyler Europe, who appear to have kind of consensus, I ground grades. Because like I said at PJ had been had gotten that grade last year he would have left, but for guys like Ashton Hagans who's a second round prospect right now if he's a draft pick at all you don't have to look for it. You can look in your own locker room and say, here's a guy who had that same projection came back made himself a lot of money. I mean in Giancarlo pays ten years. I think they've had twenty one guys come back to school after their freshman season. And only two of those guys before PJ Washington grafted in the first round of intially. So they needed some some proof that you can come back to Kentucky, and you can get better. It's not like a bad thing. It's a -sarily. If you come back for a second year Duckie PJ Washington's that message one of the things that John Kerry needs to fix is getting guys to stop going pro even when they're not a draft prospects. They bus three guys the last two years who didn't get drafted at all. All and he needs to figure out a way to do that. And I think PJ Washington coming back helping himself since a message that you can do that. And you talking China would ask if you wouldn't mind explaining because we we have a lot of football conversations on there and saving made a big to do the other day about players who declare and then they get lost basketball's a little bit different players come out and say, they're leaving. But if they don't hire an agent what what is what is the evaluation, and how does it work? So yes, the first step is is they submit their names to get feedback from the NBA advisory. They've probably already gotten that back now with terms that gives them a great first round lottery. Second round, maybe not get picked at all. So you can declare for the draft, regardless of what feedback you get. But you have to do that in terms of keeping your eligiblity available to come back. Then if you declare before this year, if you didn't sign with an agent, you left the door open. They actually change the rule as part of the investigation the commission on college basketball too. Now, you can have. Have representations by an agent just have to terminate that agreement if you decide to come back to school, you didn't get to work out with teams, you can get an invite to the combine and within ten days from the end of the combine you have to decide whether or not you're gonna come back to school at you wanna play another year. That's what PJ washed did last year. He went to the process worked out with teams. He went to the combine then ride on that deadline day to preserve his eligibility. He decided to come back to school. So at a school. I Kentucky you're going to see a lot of guys to the process. You can do that twice and still come back to school. The third time you go through the process you have to stay in the graft. So there's really no reason not to if you're a borderline first round pick ago workout with teams go to the combine see what those guys want you to improve on. And then come back to school. If you don't get the great one. Talking to John HALE about Kentucky, let's get to Calipari. It's been a week now since he was the first of many to talk to UCLA and then end up sweetening the deal. I I would assume all that's quieted down with Cao. What what what does the off season? Look like for him and the university of Kentucky yet, it's an interesting of current because a lot of people have already kind of shifted the recruiting calendar ahead to the twenty twenty class starting to get ahead there. But the very has a lot of questions lingering out for the twenty nineteen class still he's a figure out who's coming back and is leaving some of those decisions will linger in may process. We just talked about, but he's already trying to fill holes. They added a graduate transfer earlier this week except from Bucknell kind of a poor man's TJ, washing a big guy rebounds and cut off of scripture. The. Ability to three so that's one spot. They know they're going to get back. There's two more five star. Mcdonald's all Americans that are uncommitted in the twenty nineteen class. Matt you heard from Minnesota dating McCain does from Seattle can tell you still on both of those guys neither necessarily true post players, but they're big guys in Kentucky need some from the front court. So that he's got to figure out those two guys if he gets that. And then even if there's a surprising decision say, Nick Richards, or anything that Gumri somebody don't expect to go pro does anyway, which has happened to Kentucky the last couple of years, then maybe he goes into the graduate transfer market again. So there's a lot that John house has to do over the next couple of months the work on next season Rosca, even while he and every other coast in the country in may it's going to start evaluate in those twenty twenty guys and seeing who we can look to and in the years ahead. What is the overall feeling there specially sitting back in and have it having to watch Auburn team be by twenty seven? Then lose to in the regional final come within a questionable foul of making the championship game. I think there's definitely disappointment. I mean, it's two years in a row where they didn't make the final four with a pretty favorable draw last year. I would have been Davidson buffalo Kansas state loyal to get there. This year would have been Abilene Christian offered Houston and Auburn then you'd beating class once by twenty seven points. So the fact they missed those two years in a row, I think there is some disappointment which I doubt very better than anybody kind of mobilizing the fan base. And the criticism he got a mmediately after the Auburn loss. People have kind of rallied his cause for whatever reason maybe the lifetime contract helped with that. And in the contract extension, whatever you wanna call it. But while there's disappointment or certainly an older crowd. That is tired of the one and done tired of the revolving roster. Tired of all these things his approval rating is still through the roof. And there's no reason to worry about that too. Like, yeah, I didn't think of it. But it is interesting that that he is able to maintain. That. And and my final question is is it just the excitement of Kentucky basketball, regardless of winning the title the fact that he's been to so many final fours, and it's always a possibility versus other than that one bizarre year after the championship the cats have been in constantly. Yeah. And that betray you gotta make. I mean, I'm sure he doesn't get paid eight million nine million dollars to go to a lead eight, and and you know, that and and everybody wants to win titles. They wanna go to final four. But there's not a program that's been in the hunt or then Kentucky as over the ten years. He's been here and Dougie fans while they may have short memories. They don't have to look back very long see out different. It could be eleven years ago. It was Billy Glaspie in the United. And losing the first round is the only other year Kentucky before that having Smith kind of stagnated. And while he never lost that first round game. He made it out. He made it out of the first weekend very rarely towards the end of his career. So they know that that these things aren't. Teed and cows basically on pace for their average of you know, championships per years played. So while I think there's some growing frustration the relation is that that he has them right there in a conversation every year, and that's all been asked what John hill. Thank you. Always great to catch up with you. We'll talk soon anytime. Thanks for having me. Really interesting conversation about the mood of the K nation. We'll take a break we've talked to so many different people until got in so many different perspectives. We'll spend the rest of the time getting yours right here on the phones at eight five five to four to seven to eight five. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Rick is up next. How are you read? Good afternoon. Rickie there. Barely not cases up next. Make your case case. I feel great. Thank you. I'll sort of day while than tennis top fuckers poll and also saw where they had a twenty two one on to win the national attention next year. Howdy. That would saying Jeff Jarrett Harper and KiKi leave or how do you think harbor thing? I maybe maybe some people were surprised by that I still think auburn's integrate position for next year. I I mean, they're going to need to bring some some some younger players in. But, but I I think I think he's still I think Bruce still has a nucleus of really successful program. Our politics. Thank you guys. Thank Allah got a great day for the rest of the show. Great to have you on Bill is an Arkansas Bill. Welcome to our show. Good afternoon. April first time, caller, appreciate your show. Thank you. This one. Asked if you question about Arkansas and stuff like that. And what do you think the the mixture and football? Say what I I like the attitude of of coach Morris, and we talked to him. I believe it was Friday or maybe it was Monday. I can't remember when it was. But it was Monday. I have to take a look at the schedule. But I see a bowl game next year for Arkansas, I'll go that far much. You're I'm going to go much deeper than that. But I think it's going to be a big turnaround. Yeah. I think it's going to be better year. But I wonder what you think here's this Portland state at ole miss, Colorado state, San Jose State of those. I see I say three and one started at minimum. And then AM at home at Kentucky. Auburn it L at Alabama Mississippi State, western LSU, Missouri. I do see six wins there at the minimum. And I think. I think that's a good. I think getting to a bowl game. They really good place to be. Yeah. On asked something else to sitting there looking through this stuff. And he they've got all these spring games on the ESPN channel you're on right here and stuff that I'm watching the stuff, but they don't have Arkansas. And they're anywhere. I've looked through till the twenty third or something like that. Yeah. No the. Yeah. The Arkansas game was Saturday. Yeah. I believe it was on ESPN U. The at was I'm I was working. You're you're looking for a replay. Is that correct? Yeah. I mean, they got replays of oldest brings me got one baby got one for Clemson on there. And and they're thanking you know, let me double check on that. Because I mean, there's it. I I don't program this network. That's obvious. I know I know, but I'm already. I'm just wondering why why SPM's net on there? And you know, they got something against Arkansas. No, no, no. I'm willing to bet you I'm not going to. I I can't disagree because I don't I don't know. I mean, we're going to find out and we'll be watching for a couple of minutes. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll we'll we'll make sure we pass it along. I'm pretty sure the Arkansas spring game will be on. I I really believe that it was it was on ESPN channels. So there's no reason under the sun it won't be on. But maybe somebody to get a quick look and see when the Arkansas spring game. We'll be on again, I'm making I'm giving our friend there. My word John is up next in Tennessee. Hey, John, April longtime gator fan when I see a couple of questions about Gators next year, you know, they returned half of their hope back field. And then I think offense is going to be pretty well. So have you think Gators of next year? I I I like the Gators to make a serious run at Georgia for the SEC east. I write how would not pick them to win. But I think they're pretty close. And I think I think they've come that far. I think they'll be doing this year. I really. I want you to educate me on that prediction. What you got to the play them good last year. And then they pretty much bit yourself in foot- down towards because of secondary was out. We didn't have Marco Wilson last year. We're getting back this year. And we've got CJ Henderson coming back. And you know, we've got those other team will fresheners real good last year. Brad Stuart he'll be there this year for my stare. So I think it's a big good knock always. And I think our offensive won't pick a well. I'll tell you what I am not going to disagree with you much. I do think they have a shot right now. I mean, listen, we're picking we're talking about picking a game in late October. I mean, I I need to see more from both teams. But, but I I love your love your optimism. Thank you, very very much a great to have you on. Let's continue BJ in Virginia on the air next. Hey BJ. How you doing Paul or doing great? Thank you. Well, that's an instead of questioning. I'm you know, you know, that that being with the allburn whether assistant coaches got in trouble with about that, incidentally, investigation the FBI. Yeah. Was boost Pearl never implicated in that. Or what happened with that not directly? No. I mean, he has his assistant was was named in there. But his name has yet to come up directly in the FBI investigation. We do you think it it's audit. That assistant coaches news about it in coach in. Well. The I understand where you're going there. But but here here's the situation. I mean, this was not a direct link to Auburn. He if I remember correctly person was was implicated in trying to steer players to an agent. So it's possible and very like. That that would have nothing to do with Auburn per se. Listen to head the players. I mean, auburn's has sat players out they paid significant price, but I could be caught off guard here, I've had private conversations and public conversations with Bruce Pearl about this. He has answered the questions, honestly. And I don't think it's unless I'm wrong badly wrong about this. I don't think it is any longer in issue down there. Hey, thank you for the call. I do appreciate it. Hunter is next in Atlanta. Hello good afternoon. Fall along time listener enjoy your show. Thank you. My son my year old son car, and I've listened to you today. Thank you, all lovely, still you. Great great to hear that. Had a couple of questions for yet a basketball related. I know I'm more of a football guy tall all had a couple of questions. I wanted to ask you one is kind of following up on the previous caller, it seems a little odd. How so the NC double A is far as rules guys have not really gone after Duke or Carolina where seems like there's some smoke there. And they go after LSU, you know, in person, and I just wanted to get kind of the overall take on the NTA from you personally. It's what you thought let me make it clear. The person case involves the B I comes out of the shoe company situation is not a direct NCWA investigation. But you know, I think the really interesting story is what has happened more re- last couple of days with Michael avenue. Oughta you can you can dislike him all you want. And it's hard to like him. I will say but his. Allegations about Duke are are just pretty pretty serious and in terms of the money that do purportedly gave to and Williamson's mother. Why why does the NC not investigate this because the AA is essentially an incompetent organization when an apt when it comes to enforcement, they they virtually no independent investigation. They follow wherever someone else has already been. And if they if they investigate if they had an investigative team that was competent you would see far more programs on probation and on top of that. I don't think they wanna put North Carolina and Duke on probation. That was kinda my follow up to. I mean, it wouldn't be good business. Now, every everybody knows that North Carolina with what all the the whole thing. What didn't like Sixers? I mean, it was a crazy law or best gay too. Well, what happened? There was a it was an academic fraud investigation. I I've had people explain to me who were in the middle of it that even though the all knew what was going on. And it was all it was it was deadly wrong. But they couldn't quite make that crime fifty NCWA bylaws from the life of me. I don't understand that. But that's what I was told and Duke, I don't know if dukes ever done anything wrong or not. But I mean Duke was the biggest calling card on television this year, you know, that in basketball, and I do think there's a double standard. I if it'd been some podunk school in the middle of I I'd Aho they probably would have shut them down. But there are sacred cows in this business. After she ate your comments and look forward to you football season. This fall, we we we're pretty excited ourself. Hey, thank you final chance to get in on a Tuesday afternoon where we talked to the new basketball coach at Arkansas, we had the athletic director at am. We've talked about Alabama football. Tennessee basketball, Kentucky basketball. It's been a busy show. We're coming right back to listening to call finebaum show podcast back to the calls and David is in Arkansas, you're next. Hello, david. Hey, Paul just wanted to talk about the Tennessee lady all serve coach. I think he's going to do a great job. I think she's going to bring some new even though she former athlete there. She's going to bring some new energy. I think the other gal that great. But she just looked tired to me just wore out and say this. You say this in defense, a Hollywood like, yeah, I think she gave a lot of herself to that year. She she took over for Pat summitt the pressure began to build I talked to her many times, and she's always handled herself a great poise. But I think ultimately you reach a point and a job where no matter what you do. You just don't you don't you don't have the same impact on the people. You're trying to communicate with as you as you once did. And I think she had some family your health issues with their mother or something probably took her away from the job to could have whatever. Who's your masters favorite? And I'll let you go. Yeah. Thanks for the call. I have yet to pick one guys. Hey, we'll do that. During the break. I must admit I've I've been so consumed with basketball, the I I wanted to pick tiger. But I'm not sure I'm ready to pick tiger. Thanks for the call. Great to have. You there Grady is in South Carolina. Hello, gray. Hey, how you doing been awhile since I told to you great to have you doing? Well, I just wanted to listening show on stage. I know be wanted to tough it becomes. I mean, he's. Toughest, and you say bayton any real tough teams. Well, in in terms of the tough teams, we're we're talking about Alabama. Florida Georgia and Clemson. I do not. Didn't need. Showing pay but you got to admit that is test. Mitch I. I'll say this. We'll much was here a couple of weeks ago, and he had great optimism. But I I in may and that you shouldn't let the end of the season affect you. It's a new year. But I am struggling to come up. With a compelling reason why this team is going to break out next year. His his tough. Schedule is is just absolutely ridiculous. And I think I left some one one team out. Thank you for the call. Really good to have you. Dominic is up next in Kansas year next on the program. Go right ahead heap all dominate guy. Just. Calipar is offense having agreed with how he ran the offense this year. I think he should have given Tyler hero. The green light UC teams like Virginia. They've Kyle guy guy. She's the ball fifteen plus times a game Tyler hero when we shot it around ten I feel like you could have shot the ball more. I think he's a feature JJ Radic, and you should be a lottery pick just wanted to make that comment. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you. Oh, I come to. Cal coming under a little bit of criticism. But that happens when you don't get to where you wanna go David is in Valdosta. Euro your your next upgrade had. Hey, paul. I just want your honest opinion. How good do you think? The Gators don't obey this year with Dan moment. And what's the chances? They have is winning the east and even getting into the playoffs. Okay. I do think they have a chance, and I'm not just saying that you can't can be five percent or could be ninety percent. I I think they have a realistic chance. I it's below forty percent of my mind. I still have a lot of faith in Georgia. Although you can make an argument about Georgia about what's going on with them really excited about this. We haven't talked about this enough that we zero game August twenty four th Florida and Miami the season starts week earlier. And that is a great game. To get fired up about an after that. I think they have a manageable schedule. Auburn at home is where you wanna play Auburn versus urine hair. LSU's is always a tough game. But I think critical games on the schedule. I think South Carolina on the road is is a little dangerous, but and Missouri those are games which last year, we saw Florida losing them as I think they'll turn both of those games this year. I think the season comes down to LSU. I think in in Georgia. I think those are the two biggest games of the year. Basically think it all falls on your shoulders. How good he does this year. Yeah. Every time you want to believe in him, something haywire happens. And every time you give up on them the occurs. But it's as a fair statement. Thank you for the call. Great to have you on Ron is in Georgia. Probably doesn't like hearing about the Gators taken over the east follow the Gators got a chance in these. You know belief they been much of anything that gets the dogs recently. Ain't had a good game. No signs of the those got there. I mean, listen there's reason for optimism, but I'm probably more in your camp. I I know Kirby's lost some players on know, they've been some coaching changes. But but I can't with all the talented. He has stockpiled. I mean, it's thick. I can't imagine why that program is going to fall off at all. I think it's gonna get better. Yeah. I think the only thing that really bothers me on Georgia's scheduled as am. I think jimbo's a great job of cruzi. Yeah. I mean, it's late. It's late in the season. But and unless I am is having a record year, and they're capable of it. I tend to agree. Hey, thanks for the call. We've had quite a show memorable show with so many great guests, including Scott Woodward. And of course, Eric muscleman. 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Inform Me (what is good governance) 30th of September, 2020

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Inform Me (what is good governance) 30th of September, 2020

"Off off off off off. Home. Yes, my people have not good morning. We talked about God as Oliver's office today. My name is Mark already what color of light, everybody to inform me with the way we're going cool with their here getting back to round of the month of September with all our topic and allow bunker. We don't bring since I want use this opportunity just a shopping list apple juice treasure or say happy birthday with the digital education today. Go be very good one, which many many more years ahead. You could bring a lot of Glory to your family with Hunger boggled as you don't add one more year to your Yes again today. God bless you and gives you more. Yes with every member of that family dog. For the home attack a form accrued in general of Canada celebrates treasure birthday today. Happy birthday. Once again another here alone. I did hear with him or got married back in the here. They arrange itself the quick the quick and get a lot of information window with like making drop. But once again, my name is everybody today and off. Okay countdown to 60 years old age of Nigeria. I don't really want to go down this two years and we're here from the people won't come from. What did they call you B THC from 60s, not a for the account the old days of every human being and right now the method on the dummies energy and it takes food. So Merry Christmas a bad guitar people this money, it's not good morning. Today was very special day. We with a dog We get our evil to the independence. Yes. So a lot of better day today how you you don't prepare green wire clearbridge. You won't use a mechanic. I had you don't know, you know say they always celebrate ahead. I did several this I head of lettuce anyway and all of that not just fun with language. They use this opportunity greet everybody. So I agreed to allow people when they listen to us within an outside contract if I goodness special good morning today, and I'll be in the vendors in a thousand. This is basically just few hours to Independence Day and I want them to know say if anything were ever better not be to give up. Let me to give up. Yes certain lifestyle 650 with a give that that for you reasons for us. Like we know the little Tuna going but not to give up. Maybe the best thing to do is a very limited artists and Merry Xmas Club. Hong Kong, okay as we get talked I got my coworker interested you this morning. So I got my guitar people off my country for not good money, you know the tank all of my 4 phone actively listening to this program and it's not easy, but Mana continue to go off now my name now see me making sleep on our way. Finally. I want to let us know say informed me. They on your Google Play Store you figures download them and you go from birth. They listen life under 8 every day to all our previous programs. Just download if you go to Google Play Store type in from me you go. See them. They go up here. Then your videos instead of just small check data in order to take anything for you to listen to even both your previous and your life broadcast anytime any day. So you live free and more of a I want just took opportunity to take I agree. Those one ready to do business with informed me because the whole world going to hear about your business. Yes, we don't right now with a take on off. What do they called good governments now with this finalized today, finally Nigeria. The you don't the it on this page and the 60s and the Martin now which means a majority serious maturity if you retirement age saved on the not that yet we did they do retirement age for Nigeria dead. So some people by tomorrow, they they sixty years. So first of all, we sell before me they celebrate those people when they be sixty years tomorrow not some people be Auto by fax so that they celebrate them tomorrow Happy Birthday ahead and they will celebrate with the with the grease Nigeria as it take feature-rich sixty years for independent. But anyhow, I be off now within this why you know that we did discuss the issue of Google Maps and how we go feed to make sure say we get things right majorly to help the businesses with Wendy the country when they arrived environment our local government States and everywhere around two feet. They they go cope with the fact that say no public jobs right now and you live with to take fish make things work for the country when you take notes you find out during the period of covid-19. Not a private business is never on the Country Club. And because of that this must my business as well, we defeated and will be anything not then make the country Congo we're supposed to be so because of that with a look the angle of say off people win and they govern the places where we'd a wide enough from even the traditional rulers. We supposed we get governments from them as well. But we do we did look now say Nigeria don't like you don't don't knock the of sixty years. I would go free to make sure see the country go get 60 goody. I mean we go forget good governance may go help to enhance businesses investment and every other thing with policies when goofy have the country grow bigger and better than the way been because yes, Right now before now, you know say me and you know, say some people don't run, for the country say or like not do the policy no fever. Also all those kind and and some they tell you what we must admit with the manage the tax and double taxation like that. So now for good governance, we don't see the characteristics a good make transparency and a a good make an accountability. They thought could make efficiency and Effectiveness and efficiency date. He could make we get with with the call inclusiveness, but it's Patrick off. Yeah, good make people they get with the consensus to re-enter projects and programs when they have the people when they think they consigned you want to do project for a place now flooded disturb them. Give them both for me. Why not drainage is the need for the community you discover? I said, no. I don't know if you understand. So you you faster for need to know the problem of the people they no way to give them like goofy have to log People need to make impact into projects when you go feed wrong from the environment. Let's assume say not child mortality or modern technicality 9:50 issue. That is sometimes women. They bombed the advantage that it died and then sometimes children if we survive within those people need within a better hospital or quality health workers off maternity unit to go Butte for them or you need to give them really hospitals with medical doctors when they qualify you or not. So all those things now we go suppose they check. Okay, you only give them boho Nassif ex-wife rainbow who you won't give up in an industrial. I've been waiting all those kind of thing then kind of water when you get us when I don't want to go to make these put a good true sicknesses. I've been going to go to make them they go to so many time. You put all these things, please you can't discover say Meow you gets how long color now Mia you get a lot to take know how government suppose they fit be home all of our businesses and our teams move. So this morning Merry Christmas Nigeria, don't they don't this sit down on top of sixty years nineteen. I don't do on top of page two years and you and me now as we did talk we go need to let our people know say even now with his to get on rights and get them right in the angle of a good governments. So before we let visitors talk about the apartment programs when we get Google Shuffle Shuffle first job Disorder, so yes, Merry Christmas song from the question where you asked me if he'd get them, right, you know one thing we we did commonplace for some some places some countries birth. The the leaders that the room with agenda they love the run with Band-Aids, you know say little, you know took tribute as the wrong with Monday different than say than the wrong with agenda why agenda now with certain people angry. So then go do something order to achieve a particular thing for themselves for money now waiting the whole people carry give you so that you could take work for them. You understand. So if there's a section of people say now which them won't be the one get the particular these particular that for themselves to pursue a particular interest. That'll be, gender. Also, if the leaders of a particular Nation or a particular State their own agenda, in other waiting the people that look for them go give them now with these people with them set the agenda for a medical then they would get the muscles for them to call the shots. Now them go begin to determine so can somebody tell you say? Okay one one built read way from here to to London off the people sending to do for me. So now they push all this all this kind of projects you understand but if the Monday to the people give You go set up parameters you go set everything with they needed to know probably went to the people want but the time you begin to deliver all the money which means the very things with the people need as you talk judge know you enter one area. You see the rule the rule there. If you put canoodle Colonel, can you go figure fit right can do for that? Let's go some Gentile go and tikrit home. Can we talk? Oh, no, not. Language not paying you. So soon as they would get black initially. Also my people watching the toxic get some road where you go enter you go feed you will be used in New York right there, So from dere travel. Yes, you can just bomb everything good. Good good food, right? That's it. Specially efficient boho-chic. Irony. Now my agenda them the wrong. I'm telling you. Point. Nanjunda not be Monday Monday 8. Okay. So for Google Maps to really for good for people to really see the effectiveness of a good governance not mandated not supposed to be not be agenda of people get mounted as they as every all these wonderful people they are now again what they want and make with a commission for for Nigeria wage which which we know the commission from broad national state and the local government level because I'm making it won't boot away from my Village down to Israel because once they go for like a new girl your family issue a few thoughts are not in Nigeria again Hyundais apply egner to kibbutz. Yes. Okay, maybe we will respond, but I will go discuss that but before birth. Let him visit us at talk with they get for the people this morning concerning the empowerment. When the CARICOM, I won't make you quickly put this thing for ground how you know say because we don't see the color choice of good governments. What would be your advice now to be present in Nigeria? Where my advisor I know I know another call today because we get transparency we get we get transparency we get accountability we get back to Savannah Sand consensus we get we get causes of reality we get participation we get the issue of time banned governance say for good Governor took place. You must give it to the court. I'm band that is if you know, if we do this within this. To this video. Okay, so would it be your final advice now because we go to any moment from now, we'll just woke years. So the only advice white get because all those are our corner, you know, if you walk in this one not the this all those say tribalistic agenda off. Let's forget this country. Nazis the truth if you look legit and everybody talk every tribe this respect each other and are very bad TV. That's very bad. You know what it doesn't have very bad thing. If you just want toknow this song from this place despite nine of my business is video Survivor Nigeria that one Marcia, you know, why because for example, I asked us if I the wrong government now go look and see my trap now so business office. I've been I'm going to support our business with my tribe. They do forget the results after all my truck not be for this way. No Consignment So the appointment your people doing for Finca you say God, it's not from inco. Yeah, that means are going to promote average and I couldn't support farming then the track it erased which is wrong check with you, that sentiment. So for so from sixty-one now, I mean as from 60.2 I have our own milk, we try poetry with the goofy represent genuine Nigeria exactly. Yep. Drybar sentiment U see Nigeria finally know we don't do much money. Somehow some are forced by tomorrow retire from work at the age DeMontrond home without age Macho. Which which which no see right. Now what team make you tell me good morning sir. Now my age not my body exactly true or false true. Yeah. So right now what's in I want lettuce understand busy night. Don't match or some people go retire from work tomorrow because the retirement is not sixty years, but if you can go join teaching job where they talked to make you make on 65, you know receive retirement benefits. You are free. Oh, but wait until now be see if Minami kashiwa Nigeria the mature to become sixty years tomorrow some people go retire which means our gratuity. Somehow I don't discover say research when I do graduate you for Nigeria the quick use and build hours you get way more state, but you know, 10. Again, so no, no good supposed get gratuities G. I know normal, maybe not my quarterly check. Finally finally would be your advice only use of the phone when not really much or gets tumorous gratuity. advisor it's M h retirement age for Nigeria, which means like okay. You got it. You don't you don't stop Don't Stop Don't Walk So by now just like I'm supposed to be like people were supposed to sit down they enjoy because we'd already walk but because of we know work, what am I did walk for the old age? If month old is Speedy Wok in about 50 to 74 brother children when they took years old, we know get phone when I should not be twenty-five years with weights now wait, wait when Angela be twenty-five years when we call get landline. We can't receive landline phone phone number. The house you go, I'll call you from you state your boss. Somebody called by your favorite for kids until the patio pool gates. You remember saying you get time when Outlet 4:00 national television station off. Well, and now you did watch television every minute you say, you know, the glue we don't match or may not be programmed. So that makes if we go we go look for a walk bars and like they say good morning listening to the moon will take off and now with the commercial where no no no no, no no choice because I don't discover says what's Vietnam not for us to understand sit Nigeria finally with a get things gradually wage. But usually deleting Wendy we slow. Yes, you know why I tell you yesterday or maybe we mentioned this thing two points six seven billion data vanish between covid-19 and August's a local Weight advantage and by the grace of God ICPC do it very janitress off within the month of March and August how many months we typically different interests six months much April May June July August. Okay. Okay. Now the question now within six months, they don't find out said the money left for dead man account. So not to let you move before not six years ago ticket for us to know whether or not people so there might not wish they don't know they don't trust them even this morning. I see peace talks a minister of humanitarian, New Jersey. Because they release them give whether suppose for go spend on the bed facing constant enter the passive Wednesday account. But any High be naturally I don't be a macho before six years but no weights before six years, but now within the period of six months, we don't get the money back that was not to tell you said with the group. But anyhow, I be my people will come back this time for me with the Laramie package. And when you go to join us with you, they discuss now how we go free to make sure that we get good governance for the country and between me and you, you know, say the country would only try they would go try better to make sure that we get Thursday night. We cannot go anywhere with the compact. off off off off Okay, my people we don't come back unless I don't talk on before we get some give visitors for this house this morning. I know you got quick introduce yourself to also because name when Percy Pratt Street Posse one went ahead and called so well, let us know when the house now. Good morning you my name is Abu Juliet. So I Civic I know how not this morning. I hope not they okay. Yeah, thank God. We don't they celebrate Nigeria at sixty. So just especially we go with all of us go with his day off and what do you get for this morning? Yeah, it's my people. Okay. First of all, I know I'm not to say, you know, aluminum foil. Mama. Christian is, okay. Thank you very much. Do you live man in the house? Okay Augustine. Thank you very much. I don't see a blessed demantra for video camera school before but anyhow, I be mad am waiting you get to give us today because you see see from which day with you you say you get department for used for people when you get work for people when they don't downsize from their companies and you won't do training and off if I did Australian Odyssey for here. So now won't do training to take doing power metal be you know, I won't support people with money or not. They stands and I make me see McKay quickly ask you now. Okay, my people house not empowerment program that we carry come here. So I won't do training for three days from 1st October to 3rd October. Maybe they train people on how to the Empower themselves. They use the old this apartment program won't do in all on do not get age limits anybody feel calm the empowerment programme Cortland as this community don't pass. So we understand so many people they lost their job. Even business for the moves on each their money for business. So you, you let me go landscape how to empower yourself how to the continued for the society as some people not going to get money now, a Honda when you feed it take care of people when they're around you so they they lemon you get specific dates like you just mentioned data and we so the office any now either start from October October Fest 11:00, 11:30 am-9 profession then 2:30 p.m. The second section. So the learning they take place for about a month and nobody feel about her. Street. Roadway back of ecobank traffic like that. So now daily training won't take place and it's raining a free month, which any money as they come between we know the color any Gates fee. So what are you get money, you know get money just come go teach you what is your free how to empower yourself and pop people when they are around you so $90 so that one off When I was at four major as sixty I don't see I'm a v. Yeah, it's not okay. And then this three days training program you get okay special skills wage person. I won't train people on how they go feed raise money. They take the businesses by their self. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, you know, you know, no knowledge is waste so this one won't pass to you. So I don't want to help you pull for your table your ego happy to take care of yourself. Even when they go go look for a job. Go look for that unless you go get and sighed harshly when you get no say they give you at least won't cover minimum wage, then they put eggs for one basket negative. Yes. Yes, okay in case I want to come over here now and look at it now to reach you go out which we can reach you or because maybe I forget the name of the street like you mentioned, but if you don't forget the name of the street. So don't be working because some of us gets most remember when they could remember things again number when I completely agree with you. Yes the number where you could feature off Most in fact even test actually, for your salary test. Yes to this number for SMS or Whatsapp. The number 908-079-4723 to 7:30 come gently again. It's so right again 08079 For 7 to 3 to 7. So Saturday send yes to this number may be reserved seat for you going to unlimited sit. Now we get to a first-come-first-serve. Okay now get rid of money and after new section day. Yes, we got money and afternoon session money section. They start by 11:30 a.m. White afternoon session. They start from 2:30 p.m. Each day. Now did the 1st October 2nd, October and total too bad. So after that we see that the train people but it's on a special program for in to celebrate independence with you at 60. Okay, so economy dependent Department program. So anyway, I'll be my people. Not you don't hear. Okay. Thank you. I don't listen to that wonderful voice. We will come back home. Off off off. Okay. My people we don't come back we go open the phone lines any moment from now before we open the food lines. I want make sure because to give one one was to this questions when I when we won't really asked so that makes me feel make sure say all of us get good governance, and if you don't join us this not informed me with like me. I began KO now lifestyle and binge. Our lifestyle program and within with a discuss this. Now how we go feed finally get good governance for the country when goofy encourage businesses. Would it be for the very passive when it just won't start a small one and how we go figure Google Maps for States and local governments 674 local government if they who work with we know we need to be wrong. Go any City we get these states for Nigeria if they all work. Well we no need to relocate Kong Libya if we get just one country if he function as a supposed to be and we need to visit Europe because now Europe supposed convicted to me. I remember again one time when we get one back. When will they call Ghana must go finally now, we don't get natural must go 9% for big issues when with the experience given back to so and you hear see that they do one small wage. Take somebody condom mentioned say when Nigel Argo Blockbuster. They know who they buy anything from any country again within Africa. We not talk anything. Now, we did a lot of people make their pay tax with the beginning to do diplomatic visits Channel. Well all these things if we figure time right and not sure see anybody could fit talk to us the way supposed to be fun when you know, take care of a house. Not a pleasant wife said at the doctor's office, listen to me, but if you take care of your house the way supposed to be nobody go fit talk to your children or talk to your wife the way no supposed to be my people this money from a delay and I know say inform me those of you went get the app already informed me Google we could do one life birthday tomorrow to celebrate Nigeria at 60. Yes. If only they go and still tomorrow and special special broadcasts for Nigeria at 60 and off. From 9 I mean 10 a.m. To 12 p.m. We will celebrate the country join us use your app to listen and contribute to the way home it move this country forward divisions are not this one's when everybody they cry for help Nigeria Duality when go happen this country. Now if we get time, right all of us go stay together united we stand if we get things right? Well, yes organic Master when they say anyone contest and when you know, another another company for you. Just know that same cage the movies, what's the witching hour quickly tell you this morning make a quickly ask you sure see we go figure this country and get get Google Maps again for countries like the way Africa bezel. I just two ways in two ways. Well like me a greasy goofy get right. If only we go Behavior also positive behave. Okay, Merry Christmas, you don't give me the name that you are greasy. Okay you go. I want me to see advice or smoke. In not more than 20 20 always waiting with the way when you think see we go feed get our country right to feed may call back with the envious when I use the word envy, you know, middle over the calicos like the chess, you know, you can say so you miss Phoebe like this. So, how do we get it right Olga, you know, you know asking a question. I asked you you send me can if you want like you get questions where you know the answer if I come if I talked this one you call for a studio. Since you're gone for a studio, so mc mc. Mc mc mc. I quickly asked if a woman they get soft money to tip you this country because I know Cena them they go get them and not to happen Andrea with envy your advice on ways to get in normal. 20 ways to take get natural rights for good Governors. We will drop issue of centimeter politics. I will forget natural, right? The only way busier will fiz get students right for this country. Now when we remove self when we remove itself from what did we did you see this one? Not just for me myself and I until you decide until we decide to do things for the interests of older people not just for our selfish interests. Okay with mobile Figo anyway, okay, because I discover say most things when they say with they do we say with they do now what you go back if it was like what you send it to a talk with that one now, but then if you're not benefit these people are not we'll do one. So until we remove self take everything say yes now our own now what country club I want this for our interests. She's never going. Okay. Thank thank you very much my people if you want to join us this morning as soon as the 399 450 put your mouth. I beg nobody complained we want right now. Yes, we don't discover say they say poo poo. Ready for anti water the flight when they they can begin four times and seafood will not be worth. Its you don't lost because I recently Korea and they go because they for the riverbank they look the way they drain the fluid ago, but how we go feed to make sure say the good things when they're this country Russia local Indian composer named advise. Why would they ask for now advise Nigeria this at this age so that make with images from sixty one week almost get the country right and better than the way being. Yes for business is all of them must survive or not, Look for angles. We typically feed do to take make businesses work the way they're supposed to be 9:00. Vice. What were they ask you this money? No complain about lights because we know say phone number. 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Startup Pitch Deck Special  Podcast Episode #10

The Fractal Marketing Podcast - with Gerard Doyle

36:57 min | 3 years ago

Startup Pitch Deck Special Podcast Episode #10

"Hi, welcome to the marketing podcast, Jerry Doyle, and on this show, mocking questions from listeners. So that everybody can learn more about marketing and. Business. I am welcome to episode. Mocking podcast, Jerry Doyle, and I'm delighted that I've made it all the way to episode ten I guess podcasting land that's on a long way in but for myself that was my initial goal. So I've taken the time as well this week to sort of reflect on the loss, ten episodes. What has been working what hasn't some of the feedback over saved and wouldn't take a slightly different direction with a podcast. My goal would the podcast is to provide you with actionable insights into Markham's mocking communication tactics that you can apply to your business as a found, and my initial idea behind that was to really focus on questions of coming in from listen as connections on linked in. And I found it surprising. We had to get those questions to come in. And that's not to say that questions on out there. I think it's just really hot to frame the questions and the right way. So. I had a lot of a lot of success with simplicity of focusing on say SEO that worked quite well but buying lodge. I've found it, you know, I've sort of hustle. So what I'm going to look to do the next few episodes. And I hope that it works is to bring in marketing communication professionals from around the mock homes industry from agency land from creative firms etcetera and not not people who necessarily specialize in startups. And the idea is that I want to try to bring their expertise expertise that sits outside of the start up land and adapted away that a work for startups. So that works I hope that we I'm able to find some people people that I know willing to give their time and we can change distraught. As in the tactics, they have a multi-million dollar clients and convinced the nuggets out of their advice that a work for start up. So I'll play the role is the startup found offering the ques-. And and get some details because I just sort of that this week. So I haven't seen TV set up. So episode ten will be a version of that. But it'll be me. And so I think my traffic, and what a decided to do was I took topic. I was already looking at doing which was pitch decks, and I was going to review. Some Fanta pitch decks on today's episode. And although I got a couple of people coming through and asking some questions I thought to myself, well, he kind of gets into my job track career where I've spent a lot of time in agency land and one thing you do. Well, when you working in an agency, these you get very good at pitch decks, you get very good at palpable. How pathway and presenting those? So I feel like I've got some demand expertise to Shay here from outside of startup land. And that's going to do today. I'm going to run through what I see as the best way to put together pitch for start up. So to kick it all off. I think the first. Thing. I'm going to say here is that everybody's an expert. It doesn't matter. He's speak to everybody has an opinion on you. Jake. Everyone will give you vice some of it good some of the bad. Look a lot of it's gonna come down to your personality, and the white you want to present it. So some of the things I run through here. Again, be my ideas, they're not necessarily, right? Some of them almost in the mud say now considered to be standard practice. We want to get to the end of today's episode, and I sort of reviews some classic startup pitch decks from companies like YouTube and Ed BNB. I think you'll sort of say, I should give you a lot of confidence that decks, but didn't look right status are pretty ugly. But you didn't follow we now consider to be standing practice. The so, you know, the main thing to take here is that this is all opinion, this will change, and if anything at the moment, this is just the flavor of the month. This is the way investors and fan as a pitching. So on one side helps to conform. Home because it makes it easy for people to adjust on the other side. You're a found your innovator you're disrupting so, hey, why stick to the status quo? Hear a pitch dick. It's designed to be exactly that pitched one thing. I can't stand is investors who want pitch decks Email to them. A great pitch deck has very few words. It's all about the delivery. It's all about the found of being there could be time slides, which are nothing more than an image. Or a lot of the time. We'll be each with five words, you can read through that kind of decking, thirty seconds. You're not gonna get the essence. So I wanna make distinction here between say a business plan and investment thesis, any kind of long detailed document. That's not what we're talking about. Here. What we're talking about is a pitch, dick. So when you design this the idea is you're going to be standing up there. Ideally with click clicker any hand, presenting it to somebody. That's this is this isn't all the answers your business. This is getting somebody interested in what you're. Wanting to you're gonna have investors who want to get into all the details, and that's fine to a degree. But the one thing I would say about those investors are eat Q giant win their hearts before you try to convince the heads. You're probably not going to get there. And I it's a natural reaction. You know, investors want to believe that most of that is driven by the head, and there's logic. But can reality where primal base we use the very middle part of the primal part of the Bryan that that's the flato flights. And that's what we have to appeal to. And that's what we need to convince you can always go and together detail white. So this is very much about winning somebody onto your idea, and what you want to achieve. So when you stop this kind of a dick the first thing you wanna do is you want to start with a story. This is this is a human to human interaction at the end of the day. The. The numbers will happen lighter. But you need to get whoever the investor or the person pitching to to come along for the journey. That's eater. And that's really what sales is. I mean. It's nothing more than even marketing to degree. It's being good storyteller. And a great stories one that someone can relate to a great stories one that someone can get emotional passionate about they can feel what you feel and that happens when you put yourself at the center of the stories a great way to do it. So you make your intro not about standing up. Introducing unite like to me that sort of death of an introduction. So if you stand up, high, my company is my name is does very sort of grade school level pitching what I want is straight into a story. And that story needs to rebulk. All around the problem. So you trying to paint a picture in their minds. I about what the day in the life of a customer might be or how you came to this conclusion that you wanted to run this kind of business Iki get that. Right. You've got a chance to continue the rest of the pitch. The most important part of your pictures. Your start the only way you're gonna get passed. Or are the only way you're going to get any kind of investment or interest in your business. If you don't have a great start, and you have a great story. His if you've got some absolutely nominal traction numbers at the end or sort of revenue if you have that that will cover over almost anything else, you do that isn't right. But what we want to do you wanna get them from the start? So we wanted to story when a human story about how you got involved with business. Why you've got some drive behind this is loosely around the vision of you company, they want to know why you got into this business all the detail will happens bit later. But you've gotta get the investors and everybody on that journey and that story's just got to be the most important pie and you'll find unit over time. But that's what you need to do. And that story in cases, the problem. So the problems very normal way to start, but without the story became full little bit flat. But nevertheless what we're doing. Here is defining a problem. And once you've got that problem, the find that's kind of your into the business in your often running so peeved defined your problem, what you wanna do e stopped to create the idea of where the world's going to move to you wanna create and deliver your vision for the future about how the wells going to be divided into people who do and people who don't the people who are trapped in the old way of thinking. But we're not going to be trapped in that way. And the reason you do this is a couple of reasons firstly you need to be visionary. The best to has to believe. The you've got some kind of insight into the future. That they want to be positive, and what you're trying to do is you're in the trying to position your business. So the bud triggering FIA and greed in the investors mind in their heart. The grade is the opportunity of the business, you know, what they're going to be able to make out of the business etcetera, the fear is the idea that they might get left behind a really simple scenario the fear is if they invest they might miss out. But it's less about the investments more about being on the wrong side of history, and nothing I would say these things. So when you present your vision, what you're really trying to do is encourage the investors, and the people that you're presenting to to feel like they want to be on the right side. They want to be part of this Aleutian. They want to be part of the future. So once you've gone that right, then then the crucial kind of counterpunch on counterpunch with the crucial step. Is to then demonstrate how your guard solve that problem. If you get these steps, right? You probably going to be and the investors long journey then you probably going to be sitting down and talking about investment. So what I mean by this is so this this last stage before we get into a little bit more detail is all about basically, it's the guts of your your business. How you going to solve the problem to how you're gonna taking Festas and your customers into your future vision? And so that this this set at the start. That's basically the court you pitch. This is the most important thing you have to get right? The next section. We talk about the next areas. They're absolutely important. But then not the same. This is the setup to a pitch tick the story creating that vision for the future and showing how you're going to be part of that future. That's where you basically he the win all lose in the pitch everything that comes off to that important. But if you're not. In the game. These next sections going to make a difference. But let's just a shame. You've got the story. He delivered a vision for the future. It's all based around the problem that you defined in that story. And now you've demonstrated how y'all solution is going to be the way that we get to your vision of the future. Everyone's on board. We want to go to the next stage. What you're gonna wanna do at this point. Is you really want to talk about your secret source? So in your investors mine now, they're looking at your business and saying yes, I understand why you're doing this. Yes. I can see a problem. Yes. I can see where the future is going to be. And I've got an idea that this might work. You'll solution probably the right way to do it. Now. It's not to happen is a little bit of doubt. Why you why you the investor why you the founder sorry, why a use the founder the person who's going to be sold this. And this is the section. I call the secret source. This is. This is the follow up punch where after you've got them sort of on the road. She hit them with the idea that I've got this. I've he or I've got this little bit kit that I've built this kind of customer insights, something that you've got something that you've got picante replicated. I mean, not talking pure legal. I'm not a fan of. To trademark around or some kind of brand mock around what I wanna do. You don't wanna be getting legals involved in a pitch like this into that point? Jill mentioned you don't want to be doing is having potentially invest assigned India, many people do it anymore. I still do meet founders who turn up wanting anybody who they pitch their business to on a nondisclosure agreement. Look, it's not done nemo from for two reasons. One is if invest assize India, you could curb their potential to invest in future businesses, just simply getting them signed that document, probably more importantly is eight you'll getting someone assigned NTA that pretty much is it admission that you don't have any sacred souls. You don't have a way to defend your business. You don't have something that says your special anyone could do it. So it's simply just a mockery opportunity that anyone can take. So that's why India's on important if you think of unlike that it's why the secret sauce section of. Pitch deck is so important to convincing investors that has to be you. And you're the right person to solve it after this. The next section Jake. You want to if possible demonstrates some kind of traction if you aren't having traction of your own you're gonna wanna demonstrate some of a way that you can get traction. But looking these days with the lane startup models released any excuse, even if you faked your productivity, if you've as I mentioned in sort of episode seven, I think of my podcast series. It was you know, you wanna wisit of what you're doing what you wanna fake the business even if you put up a website and encourage people to go all the way down to purchase. And then right at the end CEO, it's a closed alpha. Would you like to be notified, but then intent with someone clicked the payment button went through a really strong indicated even if you have products so there are ways to demonstrate traction. And that traction will be the main drive up that like the mind variable that. Plugs into the valley company, these days, most investors this for simplicity psych in the way that they get people to come on board is by giving the idea a billion dollar valuation. That's not say they're going to buy the idea for million dollars. That's the the starting position how much money you've put in in terms of time. And if it to replicates, whatever money might be required to get to the same point. You are now often goes on top. So if you had say say invested two hundred fifty thousand dollars in research to get to this point, you might say that you business then becomes with one point two five. And then after that it really comes down to traction, how many if you got customers you have revenue where are you on that journey? And that's where the price really starts to go up. So any kind of traction makes a difference? If you've hang customers, they're coming back even better if you've gone NPS schools which are spoken about before if you can demonstrate high net promoter scores. Referrals. These are the kind of things is gonna make a real difference GOP deck, and that an attraction is really what separates the different points of startup ole apps. The point way, you wouldn't be considered a startup anymore. You're a real business. So this is the tractions line is the one where you demonstrate where you are and your evolution. And that really does help to fine how much money you can ask can how much value you can put on the business so off to traction. That's where it's really good to on the next line tapping GIO revenue model. So this is where you work out demonstrate how you're going to charge customers and how you're going to grow. And this is way investable books out. I think about what's the cost of producing your assets or your product or your service, and what's the margin. What's the size of the market you demonstrated before and how much do they think you can camp show? So look if you can keep you revenue model simple. It's always gonna be easier for someone to work out. If it's too complicated. It's gonna be hard discuss. If you've got an ad based revenue motorway, you're going to sell ads, you pretty much not going to get investment these days, unless you absolutely ridiculous, traction and scale in which point you probably not even talking about raising money in the traditional sense very much talking about. Building the business to to exit one of the players, Google or Facebook. But that's pretty rare these days if you business is based around some platform transition, we need people to come in a new way of doing something and leave. Not user existing platforms. That's tough to side business models of spoken about that before that stuff. But look at the end of the day in your revenue model and get right back to episode one. Where I spoke about you wanna have lifetime value. You wanna have the call customer was issue cost? So you can see you want these kind of things in that. So you can get ninety year visas what we're gonna pay to acquire customers the lifetime value. This is the payback window. This is the way it's going to roll out. This is the price customers. They're gonna pay and people can start to build them all around that revenue models are always open to reputation. Most investors will be the point where this where they want to jump in and say, you could be charging more or less so subscription. Not one of which is whatever happens to be. But you need something in there. Because the next slide is we're going to get in and talk about and by C say this much money. I'm looking to right. So let's Hsun way rising money. This is way you need to come in and say, okay. I want X amount of money. So the amount of money you wanna raise he's almost always defined as the minimum amount. And you've got to be careful about the minimum the minimum amount. You put on that. Because in practice. This minimum by definition should be the absolute minimum you can raise to achieve. What you want with the next phase the business? I e if you aren't rise is much money. You can't move forward. So if you put one hundred thousand dollars minimum raised in this round, you need to be able to say what you're going to spend that hundred thousand dollars on you have to define it. But if you would raise ninety thousand dollars, then you shouldn't have continue sorry by saying you want to raise a minimum of one hundred thousand dollars saying, even if I raise ninety five thousand on Concha fold with this business. The other thing you can put in you can't put in a maximum, and it does make sense a maximum should bay really. One bracket above where you're at. So you might say I'm Brezina hundred thousand dollars to this. If I was you know, I would be willing to accept up to one hundred fifty thousand dollars because I could also do why. And you want to define what that is. And that gives you a little bracket. Look if you get the right pre money valuation. That's the other reason why you might take one hundred fifty thousand, but that's but that's your prerogative. And that's giving yourself some French to work in that. So I mentioned pre money value. You've got to put that in. You've gotta bicycles. I what you can businesses worth buying lodge early on this on huge negotiation. That happens there is but. Only tends to be a lot in the goes years when the founders ideal valuation is a little bit unrealistic this way, you've got some with not watch more than an ID who thinks three million dollar value company. These are the kind of things that do have to be discussed. But generally speaking these days this pretty good guidelines to seek to. So that's the pre money valuation is the value of the company before you, raise the funds. So in theory, if we had a million dollars pre money valuation raised one hundred thousand dollars the post money, valuation is one point one million. So my sense if you're not raising money, it's also a great time. That's the point where you have enough ask they should always be something that you need in your business. So even raising money might say I am looking for an Android app developer to come on. And we're gonna project or someone who can sales will someone to combined PowerPoint presentation, or whatever it happens to be. But always have an Oscar not asking for money, but you are practicing. Pitching, you putting it out there. Make sure you've got an Oscar every other changes. I I'm looking for this. You'll be surprised what happens if you don't ask you usually don't get. Right. So now, we're going to get into looking at three famous companies original pitch decks during a bit of review of those and hopefully giving you a few tips, and like I said before a little confidence that if these guys can raise his much money. These pitch decks, maybe we're in a pretty good chance selves. So the first company is YouTube. What would say is if you'd like to take a look at these head over to fractional dot com. They you slash episode ten and all put links through to the what I've found is the original pitch decks, h they three companies. So you can just have a look later on. We can click through while. I'm talking about the difference lies during that. So we'll stop by looking at YouTube to get a sense of. We'll just what pitch ticks used to look like in the old days, really. The thing about tubes. Pitch for me that really stands out is that the entire I think the value proposition that getting across and how they got their investment. He's all around the company purpose at the start and the market timing chain ity, so the company purpose that listed is to become the primary outlet for user generated video content on the internet and to allow anyone to upload share and browse content. So that's their vision statements, the company purpose, I think for them this is crucial to that pitch early on huge detail behind this really what they do is. They defined the vision what they wanna do. They defined the problem on the next slide, which is the via falls, you know. You know, that video files to lodged Email video files to lodge to host this. Nice standardization video file formats and videos exist in isolated files. So pretty simplistic patriots. It's not flashy. This not much. They're they're just basically define a problem, and you can tell now, but that problem was very much appropriate time. This isn't the same problem. We're having these days so YouTube was very much an opportunistic, which the next page. You get into is the solution. So we spoke about this. This is where you basically once you sort of spoke spoke into the vision, the problem and the vision of way to the market going to talk about the solution. So that customers will upload videos YouTube. They all the coat in coding, they talk about flash. Which be quite interesting, and that they're going to plug a community into it. And I'm sure there's a lot of commentary that goes around that. So you can see this is quite a concise dick three slides in. And actually you've got a really good feel for you're going to. Now begins the market size. Happy is open Changgi and made this is very much. The market size is very much around market timing for YouTube. They were businesses that try through this before the businesses tried to off to Tommy was probably the most important thing for YouTube to get right talk about the competition. Interesting. They mentioned Google video as part of the competition who ultimately became the choir. They talk about their road back for the product development sales distribution gets boring. They talk about the team the tame raising this money in San Francisco in America, a tame that is based around pay pal makes a massive difference. So it's kind of like the tame here the founding team would've been probably the third element. So that would have made this pitch totally compelling. In fact, I think for a lot of people they would have been investing in these guys just because they'd been there pay pal. So. You know, you can have look through those lines yourselves, then up pretty glamorous, there's not too much there without a doubt look more detail as I opened up discussions, but you can say that formats not a million miles away from what I was talking about before. And I think you think about I think this is a great example of a pitch stick. But it is an example that you can get a few things. Right. A few elements that we spoke about right? You can cover the elements. This is the thing for us at the end of the day. We are a startup business. We're innovators. There's things that. We don't are. Awesome things that we are absolutely certain of that's one investors into sort of align themselves with so the second pitch tick to look at is from Buffa buffers a great tool social media tool. I think a lot of you're probably using it, or at least you've heard of it. So it'd be interesting to have a look at office original pitch Keough. I think you can tell with Buffa when you get into slide one. They've gone straight in with the timing as well. It's all about social it's about the trend. It's about this is the vision for where the world's going to be. This is what's going to be the case? And it's not so much. The problem is with here. It's the vision of what social media is important in you, don't wanna miss out that fear and greed idea and. Buffers oversee right? I don't think it was that big of a leap. But that was what the banking on the next slide. They get into is the title here, which is how to use social drive traffic. I would say this is where they building their story. This is where they're talking about what your day looks like how you would go onto Twitter how you gonna linked in. How you all the social platforms? You gotta white for the right time. And then you've got to be free at that time to make that tweet to make that linked in post. So there would have been a real story behind this. So fully why foam at before Buffalo's probably just move those two around in in a different order. They're going what they feel stronger which is social trained, and then they got into that that story building on the next slide off of that they get into the secret source, this Aleutian, how they're actually going to do it. And they get a bit of a product sample buffer would have been very strong in this part. This is kind of the premise of the whole business. Have great slide number five on traction. Eight hundred pain uses. So you think about where these guys on our where they were. And it does give you an idea of the importance of early traction sort of changing the value, but they talk here about the number of paying us on the eight hundred one hundred fifty thousand annual revenue at the current run. Right. Ninety seven percent margins on those variable costs, that's probably the gets investors really excited about a business like this and growing at forty percent per month. That's the other thing that I think makes a real difference there. Milestones shaved. So what's buffer doing here? Moore spoke about before it's all about getting that huge value behind the companies. They're really trying to increase what their pre money value on this particular round touch on the business model how provided the frame Eum Chen right might be cetera. So again, more advances business from what YouTube was pitching is very much into those. Metrics. And this is the sign of a company that's going further on they've got a bit of product market fit and sort of expanding. And then they just touch back on loop back onto the social media landscape reiterating, those points, they made before he case, you sort of forgotten the story before the story that I spoke about the opportunity and just make sure that fear and greed was really prevalent. You all the best. I can stick to. So I like the Buffa deck. I think it's closer to what we're saying these days, and you can tell that because it's not as old as the YouTube pitch. Finally, the third one I've found here is on is what at the time was called Ed bed and breakfast, which we now know is being Airbnb, and I think this is the classic this. You can tell with these pitch deck when you look at as they hadn't really figured out that business model hit. So this pitch deck by rights. Couldn't have been. Exactly, right. They couldn't. They couldn't have known. Everything seven they've put in here wasn't the end correct solution this which is getting them in the right direction. So the may when I look at this pitch, dick, I'm trying to work out. And what were the elements that investors heard who heard it correctly the pulled? That's the and I'm going to be investing in and they seem to know some of the others or maybe they did believe in it. But turns out some of these elements. Incorrect. Airbnb really simple launch the problem getting to the problem of price hotels, and there's no easy way. Currently the price is kind of logical, but you don't really want to build a business competing on price. I've spoken about this before it's kind of the poor man's marketing option what jumps out at me. That problem is hotels, leave you disconnected from the city, and it's culture. I think that's that middle problem of the three they define is really the one that Airbnb discovered that's actually the problem solving. I I'm a big believer with a start up business that you can actually solve one problem at a time. If you try to solve two problems. Facing such an uphill battle to get your business to work because you never quite sure. Which element you're trying to solve we haven't solved yet is holding Mekki business. It's completely pulsa that you've fixed one element for because you have to prove to business to work. It doesn't get over the line. So my big advice here is always your solve one problem. I don't like the fact that they listed three. But I think is kind of clear you look at their business. Now what they've solved these really about price. There are cheaper options. What they've done is to get you connected to that city's not removed in a sort of large brand hotel. So after this I get straight into solutions. You can see that being this is much closer to the slick way that we present investors lives now. So they're being really clinical with their with their toddling slide so solution saving money making money sharing culture. I think they had this Aleutian exactly right here. But because alias from presentation. Though being quite precise. In what age slide was talking about after that talk about their market validation. They market validation isn't talking about what they've, you know, which either and she talking about other metrics pull together to show in theory that what they're going to build he's going to work. So you can see a little bit of smoke and mirrors here from Airbnb with this pitch deck, then talk about the market size again your market size. That's gonna get in that grade going. What's the opportunity how big could this get so nothing clear next lies called product said? This is what they're going to do is going to be how they're going to live. It really don't have a huge amount of detail here. It's just so three screens actually told a lot about it. But the audience is really simple. You search by city your listings, and you a great slide in terms of presentation harsh this little talking behind the back of it. But again, just in terms of formatting, you can see how at least. Presentations? They've got really well-defined slides follow the format. We spoke about before the next line is business model. So spoken about this. The idea of how they going to actually make them money. So the average fading to get and how that's going to build out of their life of their business. And how they grow it. So this is in theory, you present this you've got someone really sort of hooked into your IT vision down the sand. That problem you've painted a picture around it, and you can kind of go from there. I think with ebben be because you don't know how this was actually presented. But I don't think that they in this presentation anyway, really created much of a story of the front and yet with hotel and travel, you can just imagine. If you're doing this again, you would create a fantastic story at the front the idea of dropping into a great city, but being locked into a hotel five hundred and not really knowing what it was like. So I think there's a a good story here. I'm just gonna assume that that presented it as opposed to putting it in these slides because I can't see it a little bit next. Light on market adoption took about the competitions. That are a lot of marketplace stuff, which is pretty normal. But you kind of say that was sliding, okay, fine. When you present a mock it, you're ultimately, just presenting your view of the market. So it should tying pretty closely to your vision of the future competitive advantages on slide ten this is the secret source. So this is the point where they're trying to say with the ones that I've got a good model that's going to work and continue here. So I say slide ten competitive advantages as being version or my version of this lied is the secret source slide, and and that's it. So. You can see everything from YouTube fairly good well-thought-out old. I mean, you know, it's not the kind of pitch tick, you would imagine would raise any money these days through to ebb and bay which is a lot more clinical in the why there, but I'm trying to think there's a huge loss. I think a lot more with the stories, and then Buffa thing buffers closest to the modern day pitch. They've led with their strongest position he can say no one is up front talking about their team. They've got an opening sly which has the company name on it getting straight into that story straight into that problem. And that's why these days the foam that went through before is he's fairly well locked in. And that's what most invest is looking to say. So like, I said, I'll postal links and the content on the Frank to website for you. 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"The Umbrella Academy" und "Perry Mason" kehren zurck

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Snorting Tortoise, Cricket and Sarnies, Samosa sarcophagus, Indian feast, Fat free ice-cream

Keep Calm and Cauliflower Cheese Podcast

41:05 min | 8 months ago

Snorting Tortoise, Cricket and Sarnies, Samosa sarcophagus, Indian feast, Fat free ice-cream

"Mm-hmm was a lovely little often bar rump for a friday. How everybody it's chappie is keep common. Calif nacho cheese. It's celebrating its sixty. We sixty today. Not quite in the level of the beatles when i'm sixty four but almost so probably Stumbling around forgetting things in Instead of misshapen tweet jackets potentially no sort of No sort of bottom pinching or anything along those lines. We've reached a good age sixty and Probably time to give the booze to save one's liver in terms of the podcast but it's it's fabulous to be bloody koldo. I mean it seriously as cold. It's it's too glove weather today to moss whether to underpants weather thermal underwear. Long johns are on. I mean you really need to. You need everything but the kitchen sink today. You know russian hats aplenty if laps down flaps down people and Try to keep warm. I mean walking the dogs this morning. I don't know how they didn't get frostbite on the little balls how i didn't get frostbite a my little polls. That's how i how frigid is. I mean we're in the middle of polish vortex. I mean that that's the name of rav fun cocktail doesn't it. I mean there are a lot of ice involved. I imagine the shaking starring Here we are game and we have one podcast coming coming tomorrow podcast today. So you know. That's that's that's really what we have the united for the for the for the balance of the weekend and some of the things that we may or may not be talking about number one. I have goose problem. I have goose problem. We'll be talking about long johns. We'll be talking about wax seals. We're thinking about valentine's day this weekend. But but what happened to the wax seal. There's a lovely way to to to the for for an envelope or or love. Lateran something along those lines. Also famed old bbc blue peter. Presenter apparently misfired nine hundred. Ninety eight was starting cocaine of some ancient reptile. We'll be talking about that. Also you're rhino or urinal etiquette is very important for us chaps. But i never thought about this. Before but in america there is iran. The lettuce and i think that is important for everybody to know. Maybe you ladies cover your is at this moment and also go greetings on instagram from fairly sting figure who Who has lost his way and lost his reputation and may be slightly slightly an easy that message from in this off the name also Yet that happened today as well. Frozen eyelashes also. Why haven't we given mosquitoes the covid vaccine. This is something that i was reading did a bit of research and many many years ago. They tried something similar. Also people who are not good at this new feigned poly-amorous type of thing probably should steer away have something a little bit more traditional nice cup of hot chocolate also something. I was thinking you know the the english butler and me was was thinking about. How scott's can keep warm. I mean they're getting it much worse. I mean we go the polar vortex here in chicago. Sorry in colorado and the scots have got no end of snow like an of snow. Maybe ten foot of snow. Something along those lines. Lots and lots of snow. They had it in my In the old county of norfolk. Where i was brought up Probably five or six inches. No snow here. But as i said defined the warm the cockles of one heart over the course of the the weekend when literally it will be bras monkeys fat free ice cream that tastes like the real thing. Also my by lovely snuggle tooth pirate of adult law jockey and crooked round with tea and sahni's that's water giles. Current says anyway the snowy woods of full of drama and indeed secrets. The perfect recipe is for one with no leftovers. Apparently the bordeaux wine industry hits back with balloons at turn hale into harmless rain. That sounds absolutely fantastic. Maybe looking for the best hot chocolate as well. I i saw something where that we using actual chocolate. Fake likes to make chocolate. But i think we'll be delving into maybe the best chocolate or hot chocolate over the next couple of days over this podcast. Tomorrow's lockdown fashioned a changing room tailored for you Chef tony banks to release one hundred forty pound michelin star takeaway valentine's day Also some trump trombone where we look at some of the awful headlines of the week and seeing if it's worth a Wa wa trombone or raspy sort of trump weetabix so that's a that's an english Cereal and people have been putting baked beans on it. Baked beans now. I'll bartering that we depicts here. We'll be looking that. As well. And jamie lee. Curtis is put popcorn and area instead of airbus. Apparently absolutely fantastic stuff so as always. We're hitting the top news. Really is almost like cnn. Podcast without a doubt. And that's chappie and it's keep coming cauliflower cheese number sixty so people are asking me you know casing london such a big city. How do you remember which stopped to take on the london underground now. I always referred them to office and the underground little offenbach tribute as i said earlier. But that's how i remember. And i do like to dress incident french Wine wine bar pinup boutique. When i'm when i'm on the underground so lots of frills Lots of garter belts and lots of pompoms and lots of high leg kicking. That's when i'm not dressed to the typical butler with the hat. But sometimes i do. Do the french boutique pinup with the bowler hat as well. But this is a great way of learning the london underground in you know some people learn visually and do learn would song and dance. I'm i need some musical theater to learn anything i mean. That's how you know university. Probably why didn't do so well. And ym humble butler now is that. I memorized everything. Not my mind. Mapping but by musical data i mean. That's that's the absolute key. I think when it comes to jogging one's memory remembering how much butter put on ones toes. How long to dip the t bank into the water all of this very important and also how to memorize all the stops on the london underground. Thanks to office okay. So i probably lost every possible listener. That i had But all the best scottish gritted name so twenty twenty and how to try and scotland's be naming its fleet of grizz more than fourteen years now and begin become known over the world ever since so over the last few days said snowfall across scotland. I did say. Ten per ten centimeters of snow has fallen in some areas of scotland. North nieces scotland bearing the brunt of most temperatures remained low in recent days with a thermostat struggling attend degrees celsius. Look it was. I had four degrees fahrenheit this morning. I don't know why they're complaining. Absolutely absolutely high end this out for the undischarged fleets gritting dumping their loads across scotland to ensure the drivers remain safe on the roads. Traffic scotland said the colored deflate consists of two thousand thirteen vehicles. A whopping hundred ninety bagels can be deployed at one time to treat scotland's roads during the most severe weather conditions scott's been fame given giving that grits laris puzzle. Name these the salt trucks. We constantly that them strut their stuff with boring. Generic ones definitely transport. Scotland kicked off the trend in two thousand six when asked promise co. people's to provide the most inventive So this is this is what we have and in terms of some of the most. This is one of the you know. This is one of the best. I think here. So one of the skull. Scotland's gra trucks was cold hats off the freddie mercury. I want to break freeze self styled on on on on on the metric and then we have yes Ice can bogey number one and also call tune styling phonetically grit store It wasn't one And then solta scott then Always very topical at the moment Great ne- spills and and then and then going back to You know the queen Majesty oversee feddie we've got spready mercury And then gritty gritty bang. Bang greta. thunberg Probably more environmentally friendly that truck. I would think mr. plow and then of course it. Could we escape without a wars dauth spread and then paolo routine We have as well New ice capaldi move. Savimbi music critical. Mix grits pieces absolutely absolutely dramas. Chara off trauma. So there we go. We have some of the I think great knee spits is possibly my favorite. If i haven't lost your with bagpipes there may be a little bit of a scottish soul. Dancing nature on the So i mean probably the best in the middle of the polar vortex to be talking about ice cream. Although i did in the newspaper the day there were children in scotland. Believe it or not ashley lining up for mr whippy ice cream anyway. So fat free ice cream that tastes like the real thing for the ice cream. Purists notion of a low calorie scoop that tastes as good as the real thing as long been dismissed as a marketing myth. Commerce say that fat free equals flava. Free but Thousands of experiments and tastes company believes it is created the holy grail of deserves a fat three ice cream. That tastes like the real thing. There'd been Many low will non-fat ice creams over the years but most of struggled to capture the creamy texture. But is it loop foods or love. I hope is love foods not loop foods. But i don't know if i'd want to ice cream. That was t- tastes like some sort of Sticky sort of lubricant them. That would be. I mean i guess it could be a double bonus. I suppose you could take the ice cream on valentine's weekend into the bourgeois But Yeah i don't i don't think it would I didn't get my taste. Tut taste bud tingling. Maybe but not taste buds. So the swedish company comes achieved it. By using epa she fatal. Ep gee this is the plum based oil with molecular structure engineered so that our digestive enzymes are unable to break it down and none can be absorbed by the body. They should make all food like this. Should make it Cut up to ninety. Two percent of calories reach unit to fat are trick has been making effigy fat tastes like why have i never heard this before. Could you math effigy chocolate. Investors of the already pulled millions of dollars into the startup and get cooler loop foods recently raised thirty million dollars from companies including gulping invest in early investor in oatley vegan milk powder sales in the us at the ice cream which launched under subsidiary of knicks foods last year amounted to ten million and the rounded better than nebraska has been eating into the market share in sweden as well. Britain's are going to have to wait though because the european food safety authority regulated food in the uk has not approved ep. Well if i can get in the us. i'm gonna find myself. Maybe jay now. I wonder if they do a rocky road. E they can't surely the so many calories and the lovely fluffy marshmallow nuttiness and the chocolate. I mean i mean. I just can't help it to optical austral central on the topic so i'm gonna move scottish today all nor sort hybrid scottish as opposed but there we go. I mean it sounds absolutely Fantastic but You know for the taste test Let's say is a pint on the table live swedish. Chocolate is one of the only two left in the threes. This is what the road the writer on the and the times article and then and then then beneath the lid. There's the swedish crimea hot out at says. The ice cream beneath looks like a moose fresh fees. It's not hard like ice cream but spongy press on it. We a spoon slowly springs back like the rubber. They used in toddlers playgrounds. And then apparently the right is hobbies americans dictate suspicious of the spongy. Ice cream You know it. It looks like a. There's a fanfare of the fat replacement called leicester which turns out to have side effects such as spotting an anal leakage. anyway so. I guess i'm going to have to do a taste test on this. I may have to do a taste test on the podcast in the next couple of weeks for this ice cream and just see what we think. I mean it could be an absolute game chain of eating ice cream and ninety two percent of the fats taken out it could be. It could be absolute tremendous. Thank you thank you. Thank you so much. Thank him off so here. We go so jaws conrad writing in the times. I do like already pretty controversial sometimes but cricket rounders and sahni's so i had to explain the other day i see what round is is sort of former softball. I suppose but it's not sort of underarm also. What sony's were sandwiches. I mean why. Americans equate that sony's would even mean sandwiches with nothing to do at home. Exit eaten bag is a perfect time to have a proper sport. Back on terrestrial tv in the uk. And that's what. The cricket was on is back on channel four which is free to air television psa test match cricket back on terrestrial tv for the first time since two thousand and five an absence that many blamed for the time the both popularity. Well they've been in the still actually watching the sport. Giles but giles says after sixteen year is that few people under twenty five ever seen a of cricket all free to television before What what are you doing about. So it's not normal grasshopper. They're gonna be silly. Not american friends. Cricket is the oldest noblest of a marathon. And i co- divide at hambledon lovely. They're in a pre laps times. When john's a source of metaphors applicable to every facet of our existence game where analogies to life itself which is not like rounded is not like softball but be blitz shooting in so if a test match cricket where a carry on film will some sort of larry's phallic sponge. Kate on celebrity bake off never seen never seen either. Many people would never seen either. Closed your eyes when hailed the polished on chess smell of a new cherry or a hud. Zip pasta one's ear posits silly point For the warmer early may so the main thing to know about cricket and this is you know the more american friends Is that the match takes five days to play now. It's all very well and good in the nineteenth century from actually the twentieth when people are more time in the hands with much longer attention spans on the accountable the massive victorian novel they had to read the boring church services etc etc but with rise of television television football pot noodles and the internet people's ability to concentrate anything longer than a commercial decline desperately and as a result cricket fell into disrepair. It wasn't anything to do with sky tv. it was everybody. Everybody became too busy to make time for cricket and to to understand it but here we are now lockdowns. Perfect perfect watching cricket better still a cricket match is built around meals in recent years have been barely able to comprehend a sporting contests stocks for lunch and tea but in the world like now we look forward to constantly forget luncheon tea and we yearn for some sort of a distraction in between and this is what cricket is as as for the ladies and gentlemen of leisure. Who was first intended. Break through your banana bread. Now you just need an occasion at which to serve it to twenty people and the former and also susan delicious sandwiches to go with the our banana bread. And that's what we have the crooked. You know it's perfect. Said it'll keep us occupied you know for for for the between the mealtimes basically that that's what cricket is you can have a little bit of a snooze as walling to miss very much is played. The sort of test cricket often pedestrian pace but it is absolutely wonderful. It's mentoring government in some ways and it also incredibly exciting. I mean these. These guys are a bowling only getting american. Turn pitching the ball much faster than than than many many other sports in living human being. So it's it's a wonderful. I'm is an absolute delight. It's a good excuse also for me to have a little napa afternoon the cricket. Us time starting at nine o'clock perfect for little afternoon nap to prepare one. Two pao ford through the night watching watching the glorious Willow game and that's that's what we have. And i mean i have taught cricket to the japanese chap before and i if any american has the patience of time our love to teach them the wonders of crooked so all this cricket talk an impending test match tonight and up in the series lovely indian friends. I think he's going to be different. I think it's going to be a bunsen burner. Nta tonight so. I think i think i'm gonna have to some of these. Poor caste do sort of a little bit of crooked education. But i'm sort of thinking power through the night as i said watching washing from channel nine england india five five days ahead but i'm a disciplined chap would cricket ever into fair with valentine activities would also that's subtly a pieces for papa near grow your hair longer can listen in also maybe the iphone mini could discreetly sit it on a pillow. Dinner or something you know. Hide it behind buca flowers potentially knees old good things. I'm thinking about indian food. I've got a taser tonight. I mean i do think piece on a friday night sometimes but tonight i'm thinking semester i mean i think when you're gyp. Shins wanted to be buried with all that possessions. I mean i see the same semis. And i've talked about this before an earlier. Podcast i think the first book of miami fighting bacon i think can be mummified in bacon. I might want to be inside the somoza with some of my belongings probably piece. I could listen to the cricket from inside the somoza and maybe with cement slam. Well you know. I don't mind. I can go potato based plant-based. I'll do potato do mashed potato and spices very well. Seasoned inside the semester. And i'd gladly nivola way whilst listening because the cricket inside my somoza sarcophagus. That's put it that way. I do need low as well. I mean i'm talking. About maybe a lot of tita stat tonight but i have incredibly spicy been delayed. I wouldn't be to sleep so it'll keep me that. Allow me to watch and observe the cricket fruit through the night for into the wee hours when. It's probably probably down to zero degrees fahrenheit tonight so the vindaloo in that sense way warming while it's going to warm warm warm the cockles warm. Everything i think. And the non breath. I mean i like playing love of buttery non but love the love. The men's slam rolled into it. I mean that. That's an absolute delight. But i think that is the order of the day. Today i mean. I do miss some of my favorite english curry restaurants. But you know what here in colorado that awesome tremendous indian restaurants. and and i've had some absolute great doses of has great tika. I've had some great rogan. Josh the breads are amazing. And as i said this semester. I think oh my lost mail my lost supper. I would go for the semester. As i said not only my last suffer. I wanna be inside the semester dying. Seal it up. Pinch pinch baby up criminal. That baby up. I'm inside there. And i'm enjoying the lamb or the or the potato one of the to give me that. Don't even worry about the dipping sauces. I'll have a ball and chutney. Before i go inside this emotion. That's what's going to happen there. We go that's my night sorted out. I'm incredibly hungry now. Know quite angry. I think i can continue the podcast then worry. So the bbc presenter. Richard bacon denies denies snorting cocaine off his blue. Peter talk toys as he talked about his nineteen ninety eight seconds so bridge. Bacon is a presenting in the us now with the bbc was on radio but he's addressed thousand nine hundred exit from blue peter during the parents on a new tv show. I'm forgivable tv ready presented bacon. Have to explain. Why left blue peter. I mean he was the twenty four percent of the repeated. Chill chill television show and he was asked. You know what happened I got five for punctuality. Because if you take a lot of cocaine You're always late things following the dismissal. Rumors circulated snorting cocaine off. The back of one of the toys is that appeared on blue peter. Do you remember fred. Free to the toys. Is peter big white lines as the presenter basically from what i understand he he He gave them. He put the cocaine on the tortoise back. You didn't feed the cocaine to that to the talk toys is but he got fired snorting cocaine off. These noble hard shelled reptilian creatures. It made me think though. I mean these toys is they. I mean they live for three hundred years. So i'm wondering if light captain kirk abe lincoln or georgia third eber snorter mccain. I mean i didn't make the process gain in that time. But maybe some sort of hallucinogenic snuff or something off the tories back. Maybe maybe the toys has been a receptacle for drugs and and an and had an partying for three hundred years. I mean that's may. Maybe they're an ancient May maybe they're ancient sort of hedonistic toll. I mean but i mean just think the poor if they got any of the cain would they move any faster. I the the key taught oysters the slow heartbeat. And that's why they live. So i mean they live. Listen for three hundred years. So who knows what. Sort of shenanigans. The humble harsher cultured friend has seen over the years including loopy to present snorting the white stuff off their max and you know impossibly as i said georgia third. Maybe that's what he may be had had to hold a quartet of toys. And he was he was you know sniffing the sieving the the cerebral snuff off of little back or something along those lines. You know who knows but they they sort of peace to history. I think an eye piece to the human shenanigans of the past of love love enigmatic english. So we're running out of english eccentrics. Maybe i need to do the more steady research over the years a baby. Some of the century activities of the english will. How are we going to be moving forward. But we do. Have george sitwell. And i heard repays a hired howard. Sitwell poll out towel loved food. Awful pete so anyway joyce well was not only an eccentric himself but he was a father of eccentrics easy to sit. What was his daughter assign on. The family house warned guests. I must ask anyone entering the house. Never to contradict me or death. A me in any way as it didn't appear that the function of my gastric juices and prevents me sleeping at night george. An injury created a miniature pistol for shooting wasp out of the app. A thurber invention was a musical to brush. His greatest invention was an egg made of smoked meat and rice and covered in chemical line for travelers to carry with them. None of these inventions took off. The george was a keen medieval est and liked to keep his home in the style of the fourteenth century. While tolerable home this led to problems for his children. He tried to pay school fees to produce from his farm and gave them pocket money calculated from fourteenth century currency. Now i'm not obsessive sandy's but i honestly think that my dog jack allcock. Here's i now. He's a snuggle tooth. Little champ at but i do think that he has the aggression for being possibly descended from pirates. I mean he is a little piratical to say the least he looks like one. I mean he's not shaggy head. Bella got any hair. He asks the snuggle tooth and he doesn't like some sort of You know dog. Pirate basically i mean he goes around doing what. Everyone's he said waddled around drunk. I think ailments the is may be dot gal seimas disease busied bowl the food and then forgets about and then needs to nova that ball of dog food. I mean he is is slightly is like the the the dog verson lucian version of captain. Jack sparrow rather down. I mean he he's not. I don't think he's identities. I don't think he's into debauchery or any of that. But who knows. He's being fixed so they'll be none of that going on today. Think but let's not with maggie current state but But but you know he he does something a little bit captain hook. He's very aggressive to the other to the other dogs. He can't be aggressive to two guests as well and you know. He stumbles around like he's listening to the sea. Shanty as well so i think there is snack. Chief jack. there's there is a little bit of you know the old blue bid about him. I think without a doubt. And you know he's i don't think he's a land level. I don't think he's a ever. I think he he enjoys kibble and he does enjoy the old piece of non brad. I mean do him a little bit of bread which is probably not a good thing but he likes logs we'll sort of brady likes likes thick cut marmalade as well So if he if he's into the thick cut marmalade than ever set sail on the high seas rivers snuggle to and is in his crow's nest. He's not going to get scurvy because orange orange marmalade. I believe on the postcard. If i'm wrong dow's stope scurvy. Be me so. I mean occasionally you see some beautiful beezer riding solve as london times. It's from the notebook section and there's something rather magical mystical about snow. I mean i know. The uk. In scotland. Uk england scotland then passer of island beginning of mound but in here in colorado. We get worse this winter actually but a lot of snow but the snowy would sa- full of drama and secrets. A forest is starkly beautiful. In the snow we wandered into paths whitened with ice and software. sweep of downey flakes falling from branches. The woods lovely dark and deep robert. Frost wrote in his poem stopping by the woods. And the snow. Evening in stock. Her words a conifer plantation near wells. Somerset our woods. Modern than the frost new england that no less full of drama cross bills can occasionally be seen using powerful beaks to feed on pine seeds in the tops of trees. When you enter the mash of low branches. That crowd around you can hit invisible birds calling from high. The moist ethel's the nose with aromas of chilled resin. I see moss and crackling pete aboard directs. You to two way. Marked routes safe wide and gravelly. We preferred to meander along the crisp moss and ferns following the steaming noses of our two dogs this alternative way for the trees at no logic other than to challenge the water. Digits and steep moss mounds into lace sinuous among any thickets after a while. The views opened out the mystic stereotype of somerset's farmland in its silvery fat and distances. You get edge. The woods or turn back inside is looking into the bramble thickets. Any sign of long eight hours. It seemed like a good place for a hidden winter roost. These red nocturnal hunters are usually solitary but gather numbers in the coal preferring hind woods. Perhaps thinking that ever owls perched that might be might see something foodwise. I searched the trunks. Telltale white spatters droppings in any small black pellets. Undigested remains dejected. While the is resting. I found scattering of these and looked up to sit. Start of amber is staring at me. This time i found none. They my six cents was alerted of something owlish. When are smaller adult. Nancy ranted away ahead and scuttled back is down. I thought she'd bumped into a deer. Indeed we did see one small hind skipping away flashing white rump. She went but as she walked on. I saw something else. White feathers lay all around. The side of the track was speckled of ash goal. Tops ripped from the back of the head of bed and small primary feathers. Down on the lending ledge so find you could hardly fail where they ended absolutely beautiful. The snow melts in somerset and the air is already tinged with the edges spring in britain and ireland our ancestors celebrated on balk at the start of february the original ancient word on bog means in the belly all his expectant like the gentle curve. Pregnancy in bulk is thought to refer to us milk in the body of the earth and its creatures the promise of lamblin grow from renewal of things awakening whitening and life. For stirring the old year is dead and new green fuses. Being led with the returning light comes. Insatiable need for growth was a lovely article in the times I do love the nature section. And as i said the the ics in the mystique of the snow is absolutely fantastic. So little session of trump will trombone now where we look at some of the most egregious headlines of the week and the first step is the lady who stalled ahead with gorilla glue attempts to remove it and documents a trip to the emergency room on tiktok statistic brown admitted on tiktok. She decided to use gorilla glue. Spray adhesive after running out of got to be glued as buffet. Preferred brand of hairspray So many of the commentators were quick to make jokes at brown's expensive the disbelief over choice of glue and also teasing the helmet that she She gave to herself For from using the blue she was went to the emergency room at the bernard parish hospital in china and the end. Apparently instructed us as sterilize. Water nail polish remover. Pass to remove the adhesive But according to the photo brown chairman instagram Another woman was helping to try to apply the path to a scout while brown wiped away the tears as she winced with pain. I mean absolutely awful. I mean i know some people i mean. Some people keeps me using guerrilla labor. Never moves my head of a move. But i mean as long as an actual primate guerrilla didn't supply the actual glue. I mean they could be a set of whole something about mary. Situation going on the whole set of qingdong thing going on And i mean that would be an awful lot of glue and that would be awful rack and a cheeky vet from google maps selfie. Five years ago caught a gain in exact. The exact location. He was five years ago. A selfie snapping vet. Who bagged a photo with google maps surveillance van. Five years ago has been caught on camera by the vanna gain in the exact same outfit student charlie. Jason was on lunch break outside. The surgery works. He spotted the google map. Surveillance van industry back in two thousand fifteen. He took a fait self video with the google van as he ran up to catch it and enjoy viral fame. After ending up appearing on google maps hilariously. Exact same event now happened five years later. Charlie was in another work two thousand twenty and then he saw caught sight of his old friend. That google camera van yet again. I mean good for him. He didn't gain any weight during lockdown. Maybe i mean the scrub. I mean veterinary scrubs could hide all sorts of lumps and bumps. At least he didn't look like a dog's dinner. When he was appearing on google camera gain but i mean i have noticed before vets do often have very bad breath and they should to june greenie. But that obviously wouldn't make any difference to his Google map selfie and finally for today. Jamie lee curtis popcorn in air instead of an earbud. Jamie lee curtis real. She accidentally put a piece of popcorn and her incentive but some definitely over the whole isolation thinks he captured a pitcher in the mishap. Jamie cas ruled in hilarious instagram posts. That she accidentally put a piece of popcorn in there. Instead of the wireless headphone. I'm definitely over the whole isolation things she said. According to the nizar actress she picked up what believed to be an earbud place it inside area but was confused when she didn't hear any sound coming out of it. I mean that's one way of getting noise. Cancelling i guess. I hope she doesn't hit popping. I mean she might think she has tendonitis or maybe possibly alien in the air Next she'll be put in kentucky fried chicken and area but you certainly don't want a colonel in the lug hall so thank you very much for listening to the podcast today. We're gonna finish with a little poem in a second but some of the topics that we'll be covering tomorrow didn't cover today. The goose problem will be. We'll be looking at that tomorrow long. Johns whack sales. Why they fallen out of Why they've fallen out of fashion. Your rhino etiquette as while i see eyelashes i mean. There's so much that we did. I mean to be honest. I i. I'm going to be sleeping with the cricket in light. But i'm sure there are many listeners out. There won't be sleeping because some of these some of these topics tomorrow. We're gonna have more historical tender as well Coming along the way tomorrow maybe will be opening up the anglo anti-god again who knows maybe the krikah's that will be revealing itself once again. But i keep cheese on twitter ke common cauliflower cheese on instagram building up the instagram followers. Definitely liken subscribe and all the platforms without a doubt and And i'll look forward to joining again tomorrow and we finish today The aforementioned poem stopping by the woods on a snowy evening. Whose words caesar i think i know his houses in the village though he will not see me stopping here to watch woods. Fill up with snow. My little horse must think is clear to stop without a farmhouse near between the woods and frozen lake. The dart's darkest evening of the year. He gives his harmless bells a shake to ask this some mistake. The only ever sound the sweep of easy wind and downy flake the woods a lovely dark and deep but i have promises to keep and miles to go before i sleep and miles to go before i sleep. Good night everybody.

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Blessed And Highly Favoured ft Dj Milktray

The Family Podcast

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Blessed And Highly Favoured ft Dj Milktray

"Hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to another episode of the family podcast. My name is Sammy. My name is Don. And welcome everybody. Welcome. Now, it's a royalty thing. I have a penny on this stand something. Something off my bucket list. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So before we even introduce listen to this year, I knew you before you knew me, you know. Wow. So I don't know if you remember, but me and the misses went to some show at the O two. Okay. And it was who was on the lineup. TJ Moses, faith Evans. Come see me. Yeah. And I was like, yo, this guy? I don't know who he is, yeah. But mine is destined for great things about just the aura, the way that you just crack jokes and it seemed a certain man who cracked jokes in it and you couldn't tell they worked on it in a mirror and once again into the podcast and hasn't been introduced to guests. That's how you know the levels today. Gas Mark 5 sent in Zimbabwe. So ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to introduce DJ moche, what's going on? Pleasure to be here. Even iron bars working somewhere here and I was gassed in it. I think you always talk about DJ march in it. So, right, that's my neighbor. But that's your neighbor. MM MMC. Wow. I can't remember. We went to MMC. Yeah. There's a go. You used to to it. Crumbs all right. Let's not go there. I'll tell you, I'll tell you offline. We're trying to keep everything. I don't remember that. You don't want to get too sticky. So, bro, your family man, isn't it? Yeah, man. You know, and that's one of the things I love in it, but what was your family dynamic like? Growing up. My family dynamic was it was really traditional like from the Caribbean aspect and special. So my mom and my dad met because they lived on opposite roads. Okay, so basically my mom's family lived on one road, and in my dad's family lived on the other road. So my mom was actually going to school with who is now on E and that's how they kind of all met. When I was born, I was living at home with my mom, my dad, my grand granddad, my auntie, my poor and then on the next road was my other set of grandparents on my dad's side. And then on my road, some of my dad's brothers and sisters had bought property. So I was really, really raised. You know, that whole kind of thing. It takes a village. I was the definition of that. So and at that point, there was a generation older than me so like some of my older cousins, and then like it was just me and my cousin Tanya. So I was raised by all my big cousins, my neighbors, like my grandparents, like everybody, and then even like on my mom's side of the family who were kind of from Birmingham, they were always down some holidays, east star. So it really like both sides of my family. I'm really tight with. Okay. So that was my family dynamic. So for me, that's always been to the key thing. Like more than the only thing I see in front of families got but nothing really comes before family. And I'm blessed, I'm really blessed to be in that position where both sides of my family have an equal impact. You know, sometimes some people be like, you know, it might be one side might be your parents side or whatever. But for me, both sides of my family for mom and dad have had a massive impact and I'm really tight with everybody. I love that. Yeah, that's nice. 'cause I was speaking to my university friends and my university friends, I was just like, oh, how usually is the female side? And I was like, no, I did that, but my family there. My favorite mad lit. And I was like, what say what my children ain't going to see my side? Nah, nah, man. Yeah, but think about it for us though. Yeah, I know it happened for us. Yeah, I know it happened. That's why when they said it, I reflected on it. And I was like, oh shit. That's mad. Because for us, we were really, really close knit with my mom inside of me. But my dad's side, not so much in it. Well, cool with our cousins in that. And we chill what they lived in East London South London. So more time, if there was a link up, it was my mom's side because they lived in South London. One, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just kind of getting used to that, but I love that for you. Both sides had equal time with you in that. Yeah, man. And for me, it gave me a real balance because on one side, like I had my dad's brothers and some of my older cousins, you know, mandem . And then on my mom's side, it was more my older uncle's like reverence will adapt. So there was always that level of respect, but I was so wrong. I think I was so well grounded in it. And to be honest, that laid the foundations of the man that I am today. 100%. You can see it though, and you can see it. I don't know those parties must have been so. Listen, I mean, I remember, you know the kind of you and your cousins go upstairs, you fall asleep on the room with all the jackets. Yeah. All of that had a staff. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, meat or you fall asleep on the level so for your uncle's room. And your face is stuck to the soul for all of that. Pull yourself away. That's how we grew up traditional Caribbean households and, you know, everybody's door was open and the thing is, what I loved about the way where I grew up, it wasn't just my blood family, so even my next door neighbors, the browns, the dailies, they were all family. Everybody would just walk into everybody's house. When I was going to infant school, primary school, my next door neighbors would pick me up from school and bring me home and will adapt to my big sister Eva and Sanjay and roger and Owen and Judy fly like all these people that were just always around me and then they would be in my house with my auntie playing records and all of that does. So it was just one massive community. Trust me, when I think about it, I think about how blessed I am, like, I wouldn't change it at all. Yeah, no. That's my second guess. Hey, why could I have some of that? God, that's good. What would you say is your fondest memory of that time? I'd probably say, so what happened was my mom and dad got married, both moved into our current family home, which is still the family home in tu in. And then my auntie paulette lived with us and my grand. I'm one of those grandma's children. Okay. So I was raised by my entire family, but the bond that I had with my grand, was it was something that I couldn't even really put into words. So I was like, I was her son. At the same time, I was my auntie pullet son as well. I was like the first baby my auntie paulette had ever held. So I had a really special bond with both of them. And then when I was younger, my grand, she suffered with a stroke so she would paralyze them one side. So I was literally from a baby, sleeping with my Gran, and like next to her all day every day when she had a stroke, when I was younger, I was like her little carrot, so I would wake up in the mornings, but get a ready, do a little breakfast and then she goes into a little green ones of community van, negotiate to a whole day care center and all of that and then come home and me and my auntie was sort out dinner and all that jazz. And then my poor was, she was my angel. I lost her a few years ago. But he was the defining kind of person in my life. She taught me literally everything. When it was business savings, how to deal with women like all of that kind of jazz, she was that person. So for me that the fondest moments are really probably spending that time with my grand and my aunt in the house because what happened was mom and dad then moved out and bought a house in thought and heath. This is back in like 84 85. Okay. So this is before black people was even really important. And at the time, I just started primary school. So my parents didn't want to take me out of school. So I basically, in the weekdays, I lived with my grandma on, and then on the weekends, my dad would combat down from heath down to pack up me and my grand staff and then put it in the car and then we'd go and stay at the house and heath on the weekends. So technically I had two houses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. I had two houses at the house before and even if I had my bedroom, I had my toy room full of Transformers. And then I'd go back down to the house in balham and then continue schooling and then living with my aunt. And my grand, and that those are really the key moments for me. So can I ask, how did you feel being a young carer? Because I suppose in a lot of I don't know the African and Caribbean coaches, it's kind of seen just as like a and you take that on and you don't mind it. But working in social care for me, I see it now where a lot of people find it a tiny bit of a burden is that take my minute card. It's a bit mad. Nah, I don't, I mean, the love that I had for my grand, I couldn't even really describe it. So to me, it wasn't even a chore. Yeah, yeah. It was more. My responsibility was my honor is my privilege to do that. I love you. She installed so much into me. Like, even to the point where the bond that me and my grand hive is I'll tell you a story. So one of my best friend used to live opposite our House. The fiance family we got rich, we got Melissa, Beverly, ophelia, we got mom and dad, we passed away a little while ago, loved them. And we used to spend time in each other's houses. And this was probably the first time that I was really introduced to the African culture because. The cultures it was about my first time being really exposed. So I remember going into the house and say, oh, planting north plantain. That kind of thing. Yeah, the debate. But that family took us in a date like they could come into our House, vice versa. And I remember being at their house and my grand. Sometimes we'd be at Reggie's house, playing on the Atari ST. Okay. Playing bomb Jack. 20 minute lord. Come on. You go outside kickball, come back in, it's still not even loaded. You don't like that. So one, what would happen in the half term? I remember my mom and dad had this the first BT cordless phone. So what I would do is when I'm over at their house, I would take it with me and there was a few times it wouldn't ring. And then so many times I'd be playing the middle of the game. I jump up and run across the road to black. My crown school in. It runs across the road. That van dog asked me, I need to go bang. I've run over. My grand Comey. So one time a bridge in Antony, we got my brother BA is that northam. I need to hit I need to see this next time you'll run calls you. I'm running over to the house of 'cause I don't believe you. And then next time, it's so sad, so my grand, I could hear my grand like, I could hear it in my life. You know what, my name, I got a goal, so he's run over Costa road with me. We've got to the house, and then my grandma was literally sitting there saying come turn over to telly. But like, literally, and from that moment, he looked at me and said, I call, again, I get it. So that was the kind of bond that me and my grand hat and trust me. It molded me. Let's do it. Crazy. Yeah. You see, we don't even. It's not always we get to touch on stories like this, but you know that I'm so happy that we get to touch on the story like this because I think it's so important for a generation that now think about money and acquiring stuff in it. We kind of and I know a lot of them want to do it for their parents and for the people that they love, but we miss the things that don't include money in there. And I'll speak into a guy recently, and he was telling me about troubles with his wife, where they're together, but the lovers kind of got and when I was looking at the story and I was trying to think because that bro like, all right, tell me imagine what both drinks are both lipped in it. He's telling me about this thing in it. And I'm like, nah, I thought, tell me again, told me again, so he's telling me and I'm not, do you know what? You just clicked in my head. Even while I was drunk, it clicked, and I was like, everything you're talking about, you're telling me that you don't care about money, 'cause he's quite successful, he's quite a successful guy. And you're telling me, but you're telling me about trips to France and he took her here and I was like, bro, do you know what it is? I was like, can you tell me a little bit about when you first met her? He's like, yeah, it was a nightmare. Bro, I was on 12 cans of white stripe. Wow. Here's my cause, a mess bro, and I clicked to my head. I was like, she's not with you for the money. So you're doing all these things, but these things that you're doing are still all connected to money. But where is the heart in what you were doing, isn't it? Yeah. So when we go back to stories like this and you just see like a young child, just bare heart, bro different. Surrounded by the people that you love. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's my whole story. It's always been my story. I've been so surrounded by love. It's unreal. But I think you give that I think when to tell people speak about you and the reason why people are interested in what you do is because they feel the love bro. I know it sounds bad corny or man talking about it. Do you know what even though there's probably that couple months back now ? And I will melt cheese page, isn't it? And he was doing the mixing session with the young kids in it. And then they made some beat. And he's like, no, man has to put this online. The thing in it and everyone in the place is going to hammer. When you see the smile on the face, you know they're trying to play it cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In their head, they're like, I was thinking to myself, you see this thing that melts is doing right now, yeah. It's set in a platform for them. That they don't even realize in it, because it's the things that I didn't realize that impacted me now isn't it? Yeah, the most. And that when people put into you as a young kid, then they believe in what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, when I saw it, I was like, yeah, yeah. So you did quite a nice segue into my next question and let's go. So what was school like for you as a young kid school primary or second secondary secondary was interesting. So within my family dynamic, I have this so called title as the golden child. Okay. So one of them was it. Yeah, so everybody kind of says, I'm the favorite. I'm the or that I'm spoiled. I'm not spoiled. We love it. Y'all are still highly favored. So the secondary school I went to, I went to Elliott's secondary school, which was in partney. And at the time, my uncle was one of the deputy heads there. So in that, in that realm, you know what I mean? And then I had two of my older cousins, Kelly and Leo, who were going to the school. So I kind of came in, calling it like. Your mister Patterson's nephew, plus. Because once a girl wants a female, so I was cool in it. So the first couple of years was at school was cool. Never really mischievous or whatever, kind of had my head down. I was a good child. It wasn't troublesome or anything like that. But then my uncle left the school and then the same year, Mark two cousins left to school. So school started to get a little bit sticky in the fact that I think some of the things that I felt were which are now the things that have really pushed me forward and brought me success, you know, the people would tease me about and kind of make me feel awkward. I think year four at school I was pretty much like isolated. So I had to spend a lot of time by myself. I was the quote unquote not so cool kid to be around. So it wasn't, I wasn't being really bullied, but at the same time, there were things that I was going through that really made me feel uneasier at school. And I kind of got to a point where I didn't even want to go to school. Because I was being isolated by people around me. And I just remember my eye you pull it in. Those same people that are doing that, they're gonna see the greatness that you're having you don't even get it. I mean, so that was really challenging. I mean, to be able to kind of come through that and be where I am today is I just feel like it's so important now to kind of talk about it. So you mean on this platform and letting people know that, you know, I was bullied indirectly. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? It wasn't like all you did is this, but I was, you know, I was definitely bullied. And it made me feel really awkward. And I remember saying to like my aunt and that I don't want to go school on AP to that night, got a gold man. You got to go. And then I think it really knocked my confidence. So that along with always being like the slightly bigger guy kind of growing up. So by the time I got to that secondary school, I don't know for a couple of years of cooling. But then, you know, the whole kind of you starting to meet girls and start talking in that. And then we've all adapted being happening at the same time. The incidence was shot. Absolutely shock. I wouldn't trust me. I wouldn't even talk to, I would talk to girls, but in the sense of I was always mister friend zone. I was every girl was like best friend. Just didn't have the confidence. So when I got to secondary school now, and then kind of fell into DJ in a really DJ really changed my life because I was able to create a persona milk train separate for Martin, and military had a little bit more confidence a little bit more swag and a little bit more distant, like Martin was always like, you know, wow. And again, that going back to my weight. I was always really conscious of my weight growing up. So that always that always knocked me for 6. But then, you know, kind of coming into the DJ world. I was able, like I said to create the character and the persona of milk train and kind of live through that. So yeah, I mean, I've formed memories of school, but yeah, secondary was it was challenging. Did you ever get the chance to merge the two? Miltia Martin. Yeah, I think it's taken a long time. It's taken a long time. I think now there's much more of a balance. Okay. I would probably say in my early 20s, that was when I was really discovering who milk Trey was, and who might and was and how they could coexist and there were times in my life where I should have been Martin, but I was milk trade. Okay. And then there were times when I was milk trade. When I should have been mine. And that's been a long and ongoing process. And I feel like now I'm probably in the most balanced space between the two of them because as much as our milk tree are still Martin the sun might in the dad the husband, the bread tree and I mean, so there's balance now. And I feel like when I'm ready at any given point to just switch off and not be milk train, I can do that now. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I like that. I mean, yeah. I can do that now. I mean, I'm in a position now where do you know what? I don't want to answer the phone. I don't want to call does that. I don't want to have to do today. I'm not going to do them emails, because I just need to be married. Yeah. And that's where I think I found the balance. Okay. And going back to the school thing, do you think that it's made you more sensitive around your children in terms of what they experience or what they go through at school? Yeah, so as a story, so I've got the twins, everybody knows, if you don't know, I've got twin boys, I call them the mini milks. They're my entire universe. If you see me on social or anything, you will know that literally nothing comes before these boys. And everything I do every maneuver, everything like everything I do is all for them. So David just started secondary school. So I'm trying to get them to a point where you know let me say something. Looking at this company, when they're young, they're little bit nasty. Yeah? Yeah, yeah. The level of hygiene and all it is and that the level of getting ready. I'm like, listen. So we was trying to get them prepared for secondary school and was I'm saying to them, look, if you don't start getting to school and you smell good and smell fresh and you look present, people are gonna cost you on your make you feel awkward. I don't want you to go through what I kind of went through. At school. So, you know, I've had that one of that discussion. We wanted the boys and said, look, daddy didn't have the easiest of times. A period in my life at school, and I don't want you to go through that. I mean, so even as a parent and as a father, opening up myself, in that capacity to my son, to show him that I was, you know, showed the vulnerability. You know what I mean? I'm hoping and praying that that's planted some good seeds because, you know, the generation that raised us, like, listen, daddy milk tree, and I talk about my dad a lot as well. I talk about my whole family. But daddy milk trade is the definition of alpha male. You go to Google and type in alpha male picture daddy. So then Monday is it wasn't tough love, but it was just that. Yeah. Don't run with me. There was a toad and that's that, yeah. And I feel like one thing I kind of always grew up wanting was that that recognition from my dad, you know that I'm proud of you. Yeah, yeah. I was yearning for it. And I've kind of always made sure that I don't say it Willy nilly to my to my son. You have to earn it, but I let them know that. And I'm a very loving person and I'm sure like you said earlier, I just give love. So I make sure that my sons are really balanced with regards to how I raise them. So there's a level of discipline, but is a level of love and affection and, you know, play time and we ramp on all of that, but it's all balanced. I don't think it can be especially in this day and age. It can't be just one way or the other. It's not a big balance. Definitely. Like I was, I was talking to my mom about this year. And I was saying that there's something special about growing up with it. Because you get the full range of what men are actually supposed to be like. So you see your dad and he's dancing to Bob Marley and he's pulling out the little goofy moves and all the rest. Do you feel what I'm saying? And you see him throwing cushions at your mom just ramping do you feel what I'm saying? But then you see him telling you off, like, why didn't you do your homework? If you're going to be a man just stand the other. Yeah. Whereas I feel like sometimes if you don't have that, you just go for a stereotype of what you actually think a man is. And that's the most violent, the most disrespectful to women the most, just because you don't have the full frame of reference. That's why I think it's important like you're saying, I'm putting it out there that you give your children a spectrum to work for them. Yeah, but then they understand that. 'cause you know, I feel like nowadays, when I go on social media, I feel like there's certain men who play a caricature of men who are like, you're not a man if you do this. You're not a man if you do that. This set way to be, and I'm just like, bro, can you shut your mouth please? You know what? If you, if you don't know how to, for example, if you don't know how to show your love in person, we don't know how to show your vulnerability that deprive your children of something. And so I think it's best to just the only thing my dad was on crowd for you. He's like, you will not tarnish my name. So do you see this name? The legacy. He said, yeah, you see what I built into this name? He'll tell you straight. I have to London when I was 18. I look my mom and I said there's nothing here for me. I want to build a better life. I took my possible and I flew. He said, this name? But don't play. History music. Museum. Trust me. Yeah. I feel like, you know, that's a big thing in it. That's a thing for us, man, because remember when I was talking to you in that sent me about imagine you built up this legacy in it. Everything you wanted in your head. And then your charges come and squander it. Wow, wow. Wow, that hits. Yeah. Trust me. When I first heard that, I can't remember. I think it was a female who actually said it to me. Wow. She was like, yeah, but you're working so hard. You talk about legacy, but what if you don't teach all the sons of your daughter the proper morals and then they just mess it up? I was that huh? Wow. Think about them things like, because one of those things is like, was it you? You know what I'm saying? I didn't. Oh, yes, yeah. Yeah, that conversation's a rough one. But yeah, nice. It's important. And that's exactly the conversation we're having right now is so important in it. Like father figures are so important. It's so important to as you said, show that and use this at me to show that vulnerability to show people different side. Listen, not too vulnerable. No, they know, even basic in the morning. The wife might say, boys, get ready. Boys get ready. That says, boys, get ready. Basically. In the room. You know what I mean? You know what, yeah, that's starting to happen with my daughter. Where my wife will be saying something, saying it free times in it. And I'm like, faith, let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go. And she started to respond quite. When she was one, she didn't really care about nothing. But now I think she's starting to see there's a difference in between. Yes. Mama, and I think she spends a lot of time with them. And you know where they say familiarity breeds discontent sometimes, isn't it? I think sometimes that's what it is with kids because moms, they're always following their mom and their mom's always telling them to stand up. Also, are working and doing all the rest in it and sometimes we're preoccupied. And so when we actually say listen, this is not a rampant thing. Yeah. They're like, oh, I don't know him so well. Yeah, yeah. I mean, in my house, the dynamic is a bit different. Okay. The twins literally from the age of four, have spent their whole life with their dad. So I was at a point where I was working full time doing God knows how many hours I used to work at carphone. So I was doing like full-time management playing out on the side all of that. And it still didn't make enough sense. For me to do that. At that level and does not spend any quality time. Yeah. So we had a conversation as a couple and said, look, do I feel like it makes more sense? I go back to work full time. If I go back to full time, she's going to make X amount, which is still like probably ten, 15 grand more than what I was going to do, or what I would be doing, working full time a car phone as a manager. So I went part time and it all kind of coexisted in the fact that I wanted to start really doing focusing on radio. Okay. So at the same time I wanted to start doing breakfast on on top. Was that it was that whole period. So, you know, we made a collective decision, and I prayed about it and spoke to my IEP and my dad and my pastors and that said, look, I'm going to leave this full time job because I want to want to spend time with the boys and to kind of focus on my radio career. So I was so I went part time. So I was able to then start doing the pickups. From school. Every day, so I would pick up the boys from school every day. They'd come home, cooked dinner, do homework, all of that. And then that's now continued. So they are literally with their dad more time because now I'm blessed because I'm self employed. Now freedom. I've got the freedom to be able to do that. So they spend most of their time in the daytime with their dad because the wife is out working in church choir and all of that business. So they spend a lot of time with me. So even when they were younger at the age of 7, 8, I was having conversations with them about mortgage and rent and all in that kind of stuff, but breaking it down and making it tangible to them. So yeah. All right, so you got your Nintendo DS, yeah? And then you got two games with it, but then after a while, you rent it to your friend, and he gives you two pound. Yeah? And then what you do, you lend it to him for X amount. He saved that money. And then you then after a while you buy another one, and then you start renting that out. So they didn't get it. So they were like, oh, so like, no, when we started doing milk trans motivation, which was my seminars and that. Yeah. You did that incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I started it in crayon back in like 2015, 16. And then we moved it to the double tree Hilton Hotel on Victoria and then when we moved it there, the first time the twins came to me and said, that can we have a stool? I said, yeah, I call that we can sell. They were so lemonade. I said, I call. So, I said, they went to ten school and stuff went on board the stuff with the wife, made their little signs, worked out how much they'd spent in school compared to how much they needed to make to meet back their money to break even and it all cops different prices. They did their first one and came out with a profit of like a 130 pounds. And that was like the age of 8. So then they did another one and then we spoke to them. Cool, we're gonna upscale. So the next one was round about Easter. So they went to one two little piece of cheese. Wrap that up, so the bun and cheese with the 180 something pounds. Yeah. I mean, so I've always tried to expose them to the things that I'm doing and talk to them about money. Yeah. There's one thing I do with between I talked to him about money. They know how much daddy charges for a wedding. They hear it because they're in the car. I'm in the phone and somebody's phone to me and saying how much you charge for this boom boom boom. So they know, like, even when I'm streaming on Twitch, they know they're coming to that, how much money do you make that day? I let them know because I want them to kind of be financially sound for they even start getting to things like credit or that kind of stuff. So I'm going to make sure that they're sorted in that area. Because it's the knowledge in it. A lot of the time, it's a deficiency in knowledge that holds people back. So if you got it, I definitely pour it into your children. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We as a family we really, you know, make sure the wife is a brand that she's a hustler. I mean, she puts in the work as well. So you just had to make sure that they got that understanding. And I've always said to them, you know, go to go school, you need whatever, but don't feel like you have to do that. I mean, if you come to me and say that, I want to set up this business doing XYZ called you know what? Give me a give me a proper business proposal, wherever, sit me down, like a property, and if I think it sounds I'll invest. Yeah, I've always said that to them from you. Yeah. That's how it has to lie because I feel like my mom causes who that was in my granddad. The only thing she knows is education. Right. That's it. You do your studies and you do your degree, you come out, you get a job in it. And then you save up, you get your mortgage and you feel what I'm saying. I remember I told her the other day, you know somebody won a $1 million for playing video game. Yeah. She nearly lost her mind, but of course. Of course. Thank you. Even when I kind of explained to my dad, you know, like, especially in the lockdown, it was really hard for all the DJs that I know and I kind of went on this journey of just stepping out. Started doing Instagram lives and then moved to twitch, which is the game in platform, but you can monetize it. Okay. So better than YouTube or from a DJ perspective. Okay, okay, yeah. Yes, because they haven't got the copyright issues on the way. But I was able to start generating revenue from streaming in my house. We put costs on Twitch. Listen, I'm telling you man. You go on Twitch. There's something for everybody. So I've moved to twitch last October and literally none of my DJ colleagues were kind of on it. What? Twitch. What is this? No, we're happy on IG live from getting locked off every 20 minutes. We start the team and I'm like, no, I'm like, he said, little investment, you have to buy a proper decent piece or a laptop and couple webcams and a little Latin. Yeah. But trust me if you invest in it, it can work 'cause I know man and listen, it took me a couple of months to start getting people to come over, but bro, I swear to God, God's grace and cause blessing Twitch was paying my bills. Do you see that like the first half of this year? The first half of this year Twitch was paying my bills. Like my. I didn't have to have that conversation as a man with my wife to say, do you know what babe you're going to have to handle? Yeah, yeah. Everything like as a man, that's one thing you don't really ever want to have to do. That's right. So the fact that Twitch came about and I was able after pay the bills, it was not left. It was not left but I was able to pay them pay the bills and still ultimately do my half and still feel like, you know, the head of the house as a man of course. I mean, I think that's important. And I know we talk a lot about men's mental health and I think that's where his things like that where it could have been real sticky for me. So, I mean, I'm just blessed that that door came. And how do you guys figure out balance? 'cause one of the things that I've realized in even just listening to you is that your household is very, very, very balanced. And even when you said, you know, at one time, you know, the wife had to take over the bills. And it didn't seem like when you said it, it didn't seem like it was all out war. Do you know what I said? Especially not like these days. You don't take a go to sexy fish in that and it's war in it. No. When you're married the right way. But again, that's when that's when you see when you find somebody who understands the vision. So she's always understood the vision. He's always seen the potential, and it was just God's timing. Yeah. So even at that point, she knew that there's gonna get to a point where it's gonna be balanced. She knows that ultimately, I wanna get to a point where she doesn't have to work for somebody. Yeah. Yeah? She can work doing her own feet. So that's always been my goal. So she understands that in this thing that this merging boy, you gonna take the rough with this woman. You got to take the wind away and so for me as a man and I think this is why it's important for me to mention it. It wasn't a thing. I know a lot of us feel like, you know, we've always got to be earning more than our partner or whatever. But to me, at the time, it made more sense, not just financially, but for the sake of the twins. Because the fact that they were able to then spend more time with their dad, what they've learned in those 7 years or wherever, like, I left my full-time job back in 2012, 2012 to then start doing radio and on top in the mornings on my breakfast show for free. Oh my. So I wasn't even getting paid. I mean, but at that time, God was like, you know what? He made it so uncomfortable for me. At work. You know, sometimes like make it really like. Comfortable. There's going to work and not liking it and then there's going to work and thinking I really don't want to be here. Yeah. Which was effective momentum stay. And I mean, I was actually at one point on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Literally. And then there was a scenario at work where the feds had to come into my shop. And everybody knows the household I come from. I come from that. Yeah. The one thing that, listen, dormant police come knock my door. Don't make I don't care what happened don't meant the police come up my door. So as far as I was concerned, police was knocking out door because that's my workplace. Yes. And that was when I said, you know what? It's time for me to hand in the noise. Yeah. And that was probably one of the most. That was one of the landmark moments in my life because I was literally working on faith. I'm leaving my full-time job. I've got a family, the twins are about two, the misses store at that time she was at home and I'm like, yeah, baby black. I'm gonna leave. Yeah, that I'm gonna leave. Okay, all right, son. I mean, when you're leaving the job. I mean, I didn't believe it all. I'm gonna go part time then. So, I'll always type. Set about 50. Yes, sure. I said, no, dad look. I said that. I prayed, I called you it. He said, I said that. Let's go. And I know my mom and my dad, they are real, like, old school prayer warriors. I literally about to say one thing that has remained consistent throughout this whole podcast is your direction we've got. And I was literally just about to say, where did that come from? It comes from my grand my grandma grand is, you know, typical old school grandma. Yeah, yeah. Bible. And the thing is, like I said earlier, 'cause I grew up sleeping next to my grand form a baby, like my grand would wake up at four or 5 o'clock in the morning and be praying for three hours. Yeah. And as a child, you don't get it. And even when you're younger, you still don't get it. But what I've realized now is all those prayers, she was praying and prayers for my family, my mom, my dad my sisters, my cousins, my aunt, my sons, the generation, that's what that old school do. So my grand used to go church our home churches into in New Testament assembly, and then later on, my mom and dad bought baptize my auntie cherry monk, Dolph, so our whole family is in church a lot. So I remember going to church as a young girl and seeing next to my grand used to sit in the second row. Okay. And listen, if you're a guest, don't ever sit in that second room. They don't say I'm moving it. So I grew up in church and my whole family like my household has grown up in church and my church always saw the vision. They always said that Martin, you got a special call in on you and as a young man, I know you want to hear that. Yeah. At the time, my church was when I was like 16, a lot of my Friends started to stop coming to church because there was at that age. You know, have that conversation where you have a conversation. It was like, look at it in church. Yeah. And then my church was kind of like, look, if Martin gets baptized, but they saw the call in it. You know what I mean? When you see fingers with your spiritual eye different, different. So they were like knife. We can get Martin to get baptized. At that time, I decided by my first couple of records. So I'm like, really got no time for this. Listen, I'm never gonna. Raise literally grounded in it. But I wasn't that wasn't for me, but what I love is that God has allowed me to go like literally full circle. So, you know what I mean? As I said, my parents had never stopped praying for me, my churches never stopped preying for me. And now I'm in a position where I'm actually having my own church online, you know what I mean? Due to the pandemic. And I mean, I've never, and I've never stayed away from the relationship that I have with bored or I've never shied away from it. You know, even when my man's playing out on whatever, but hard back in the day, people were like, yo, milks. Boy, I got a free to a formula for him. You have to change that in a car. I'll get to church, you know. And then my wife is heavily involved in her church. So it's just always been and I've just allowed God to just kind of mold me in that way. And now, two weeks ago, I was able to bring my DJ equipment back to my church and do like what I call mix and praise. In my church. So the bank holiday, they were celebrating 60 years of NTA two in white NTA as an organization, and they said, oh, we want you to come and host in. Do your little thing. So in the lockdown, when we went into the first first lockdown, when we was doing IG lives or not all I was having fun DJ and on IG live creating a vibe game, my free, 400 people on my lives. And in one Saturday night, I was watching one of my co DJs in my team, DJ y'all. You got to write academy in that. And JR was playing. It was about 1230 at night. Early Sunday morning. And I just thought God saying, look, you see tomorrow morning, I want you to do a Sunday service. I said, say to myself. Nobody. Of course, I'm gospel in that, but who's going to really want to take part or watch man do a Sunday service? Was that cool? Create a little quick flower on my phone, post it up about one 30 at night. Went to sleep, walk up the next morning, over 250 lights. My I go on to start at 9 o'clock that morning and by the end of the serviceman's got like a 150 people watching. And then that was like April 2020 on at the peak on Instagram. I was hitting four or 500 people on a Sunday morning. So military Sunday service started in the lockdown and I haven't missed a single Sunday. And there was so much in that and what I learned about that, that was the period another landmark where God was saying, listen, just do just be obedient. Yeah, yeah. I just want you to trust me because so lockdowns like pandemics come lockdowns come Corona's calm. I've been made redundant from car phone. Yeah, I've been there 20 plus years. Now because I've gone part time, they based my redundancy on the hours that I was doing. So instead of inspecting or expecting 20 plus 25 banks, they initially offered me two and a half grand. Oh my what? No. So I just want everybody to listen to this phrase. Look at God. Yeah? So, a friend of mine who used to work in the HR department, a contacted, I said, look, babe. You see the situations that quote don't worry. He did this boom email for me. So we sent 8 you're like, look, do you want to battle it? But there was the funny thing if I'm the whole time, when people say in all coffins, closed down, boom boom boom, redundancy, and I'm telling them to figure that out what not as a madness. But there was such a calmness in my spirit. There was such a calmness in my spirit. And I couldn't really put my far more hand on it. I was like, I call. So she sent this email, they pushed it out to like four packs. So I'm now, this is probably April May. I had 20 plus waiting bookings for 2020. At 20 plus, probably for them international corporate Christians. But that's really where I do now. I'm not so much out in the clubs. I do a lot of weddings in that kind of stuff. And that was kind of like a conscious decision. Yeah, if it's like one of my people or like our own event and cool but I'm not trying to really be playing out playing out too much. But for the whole pandemic, I kept doing this Sunday service. And I didn't even know how the bills was getting paid. So the savings was here and then every month to see if it's going down and down and down. And I'm saying to God, listen, I don't really know what you're on and right now. The money is dropping and in a war, and every time I felt like it was getting match sticky, he just gave me a team. Do you know what the George Floyd thing happened? Yes. It all kicks off. I get a phone call from some guys of mine that work it run in the corridor that we're doing a rally and we want to really get some well respected black community people down at the rally. So I go down to the rally, I meet some couple of the MPs, the mayor and all of that. And then one of my guys auntie king says to me, we want you to start a DJ program for the young people. So I was already working with the rights academy. Big upmarket DJ off. And they were like, we want you to kind of set up one. I was like, cool, so we sell. The whole program. And then imagine, started up the whole program, and then next thing, I'm in a me in with the Metropolitan Police, I'm in the meeting with the mayor. I'm in the meeting with the directors for the charity for Crystal Palace football club palace for life. They say, yeah, boom. See some holidays. We need to come in and do the DJ workshop. We want you to come and do this. Come and do that. Every single week. I'm still doing Sunday service. Yeah. I'm getting four or 500 people on Sunday services. Mad. And then my computer didn't start extreme improperly. Computer, my computer popped down because it wasn't designed to stream. 300 pound lappy that was meant to just do word and XL. I put down on man, then court said, look, boom. On a bless you with some peas for only papa steaming computer. And since then, like, I know a lot of people have seen and said, your elevation through lockdown has been amazing to watch inspiring or whatever, but all I can see is look at God. Because when I was obedient, the moment went to do Sunday service on a challenge, I said, I don't really like I don't know. And now, doing Sunday service the biggest thing for me, it then opened the door for something that I thought the door was closed, which was one H two. Yeah. So somebody at one extra had been actually watching my Sunday services last month on Instagram. And in February this year, I got an email and listened to this. What time did I tell you that God told me to do Sunday service? Is that in the morning about 1230? One Wednesday evening at 1230. I can't email from a producer at del at one extra, saying I've been watching what you're doing. I want you to come and bring that to one extra. Give me a call. Because one of my questions was gonna be did anyone fight you on it because you know how sometimes when we look at that. Radio stations, we feel like gospel, I don't really think they want to push that. If you say this, but they just saw what you were doing and I was like, so even for my breakfast show on tour. I'd always start my show with gospel. And I got that from listening to Angie greaves when she used to be back on choice back in the day and degrees would never start her show without playing some form of gospel to bless the day. So I love this as a listening to that. And I always say, if I have my own breakfast so I'm gonna keep that going. Yeah. So I was able to, you know, so me playing gospel on radio in my souls wasn't nothing new. It wasn't anything really out of the norm for my people because they knew thus where I come from. So playing a Kirk Franklin or, you know, don't even tie a tribute, you know what I mean or the clocks? To them, that's normal. That's part of milk treat breakfast show. So I've always had my toll in gospel music and in like I said, my wife is the director for the tab worship while the church is based in Louisiana. I've just always been around it. So, but I was in that confident that I'm saying like, raw, like, God, like, 'cause I've always tried to get onto one extra. From the get go. And I've had little features and I'm bringing me in bigger ace of vis because rampage, because northman G money, like North London, bring me in the lab. Go to kind of crap the door open. But never fully. This tastes amazing. You see when God says do what I need you to do and then just watch. Just watch what I'm gonna do for you. So for me to now be on one extra, like every other week, like mixing and playing gospel with Brian with braco. That's what I do. I mean, I don't just mix the gospel. We came up with a whole concept called mix and praise on my Sunday service. So you might hear a Kirk Franklin with a garage. But you might hear a Donny with some drum and bass or a rigging, like a conversion. I mean, so but that's what people are doing, you know, like, as someone who, you know, is involved quite heavily in rap. When you hear a lot of the song who is now, some of the most banging ones when they explore the cost, people don't listen. Don't even get me started because I was like 13. You know, element. 13 to 16. I did not. I think I'm a listen that those are playing here. I was so in my zone. I didn't listen to no secular music. Something would tell you. Yeah, yeah. Oh yes. The crazed. It's not even gold, isn't it? But yeah, it's refreshing to see it. Not until I'm not so much in that zone now but I still listen to a lot of gospel gospels always popping in my house in it. And I think you know what's my dad for me? I remember, especially when I came across the one one 6 click here. Yeah. I was like, I respect to lacrate and guys like triply show Barack off. Yeah. Because they were. Yeah. Yeah. And so for me, I respected them because they were sick rappers. Yeah. Like, yes, they were rapping about Christ and they love for Christ and the but they were sick rappers. I showed them one track and he was like, bro, this sounds like song. Gangster music. This sounds like it's just saying, rolling with my top down, listening to this gangsta. It's just being lost. And remember, I had this conversation with Donna. And I was like, do you realize, yeah. Trip Lee was our J. Cole before J. Cole? Yes. Yes, broom. Yes. Hundred. What I'm saying? And he was like, I'm over ready for that conversation. Yeah, yeah, I have y'all. I'm already for that one. So accurate is ridiculous, you know? And it did a lot for my life, you know. Listening to that music. Because I think the time when I was when I was deep in the church, that's where brothers go off keep yeah. Do you feel what I'm saying? So it was like 1819. I got baptized when I was 17. Okay. So that whole period of my life in it, I was watching my guys kind of do a bit of madness. And it was so clear that that's not where I was going. You know what I'm saying? I remember that when we were talking before the show, I was like, I got out of that, I want to be rolled real quick. Yeah, yeah. And I think a major part was because of what we were doing in the church. We met Gayle. Who was like a big, big mentor for me and she's a more so done, but still her energy with me was mad because she already thought anyway. I had this massive issue with sex in it and girls because for a long time I thought that was bear unattractive. So whenever I had the chance like I would just be sleeping with girls and it was mad because gay would be like, is this really what you want for your life? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, the last person that you slept with if they were pregnant, would you be happy about it? And so I was like wrong. She moved to people. Yeah, she wasn't a she afraid, you know? Anywhere she wants to go. I remember, she said something and the whole room just she was like, when you cause at that time, you know South London, it can be a bit homophobic sometimes, yeah. And she was like, when you guys see sex before marriage like you see homophobia, then we'll be in the same place. Wow. Imagine it. That's powerful. I was. That's powerful. I was like, yo, we ain't ready, put it up. Station, yeah, yeah, so when I say that, she just moved she wasn't afraid to have wild boys. That is still my G today. And when I say that I've never been G check in church so madly by anyone but her. Yeah. All the time 'cause she reaches you at the level, and then she just gives it to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My uncle Freddie is that person to me. But Mongolia is really calm. He's one of them ones. He will let you just lay out later, and then you'll say two two things. Yeah. She always used to say true and great. Yeah. That way. Like, I could tell you so many stories in it 'cause I was a wild kid. Semi would tell you in it. Even nowadays, sometimes I reflect back and I'm like, no, are these people in life yet? They're really putting this kind of cap on me. Do you know what I say? Throwing people with chairs taken to the priests of his class shot someone in the head with a BB gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know. Do you know what? I can't lie. They managed to get me in the water brother. Oh, it's come on now. The water just washed me over one time. And any time it was a problem, they just pulled me up in love. Just like, listen, yeah. We're gonna put you on this stage. This is how you're gonna be at ten. It's kinda magical. And there's just that raw is rolling. That listen, yeah, for the young pupilla, chatter the matting. Like don't let don't let wash over you is like because for me is what it taught me in it. And for me, I don't get into debates about that. And I'm just like, all right, listen to my brother. You do your tin, yeah yeah. I just pray about it. Yeah. And we'll see where you go from there. That is the start of the journey, and when the journey happens, you're going to be like this is just like your journey. Matt bro madness is. I can't tell you to go and follow God and do this and do that and all the rest of it in it. I'm just saying, just let him into a laugh and see what I've got on the Internet. And then we can have a chat. Yeah, yeah, a couple years ago. And that's the whole thing about my Sunday service. I'm just trying to plot in the seat. I'm just now comfortable. I'm very comfortable in being the vessel and just letting God use me like. So if you're listening to the Kirk or whatever and like, every Sunday we still have a word, so I've exposed people to my Todd, Stephen fertile. Somebody these guys are doing amazing bits and there's people that have a friend of mine. She doesn't even she said she'd never really done church or whatever, and then like a couple months ago, she misses me and said, look, you know what I actually ordered a Bible? What are the Bible or what the Bible app on my phone? And it's a couple YouTube channels that I refer to for prayer and all of that that I use myself on a daily. You know, spread that information and there's people that use that regular. And there's people that I get testimonies and messages saying look milks. I was here this time last year and this is where I'm at and it's because the seat that you're playing. And for me, that's the win. I mean, that's the win and in all of the blessings that are coming right now. Trust me. Do you know what's magic about it? I'm like, even if you just want to touch it in it. Some of the things when you read it here is going to hit you different. Now, you know that basic things like he who finds a good wife finds a good thing. Yeah. And just like, what? No, man, rubbish in it. Let's just take it like that. Let's talk. Programs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you buck up with a team in it. And you get in beef and she keeps your car. And you're like, wait a minute. He finds a good wife finds a good fit. Yeah, you're not for me in there. Exiting out your left. And you're like, man's got bare piece. You gonna debate with that script song? The real life, the life essence of what you'll be in tool is completely in line with what is documented and come on now. Whether you like the whether you're one of those people or they didn't find the scrolls. I'm just like, bro, as you said perfect was like, some of the things that it would just put your mindset in gear for different things. You don't have to leave. And you know what milks was saying about being obedient yet. The old reminds me of this story that one of the oldest that church told me in it, he was like, does this matter? Always weaken it. Goes up to the mountain and he says, took a lot. I wouldn't be a stronger man. I want to be strong. And so man goes to bed, wakes up in the morning, there's a boulder in front of his house, and then inscribed on the boulder is I want you to push this push against this boulder. Okay, sometimes pushes pushes pushes, call me if it call me but call me. Goes back to bed. Then he does that for a year. And he can't broke. 365 days, man does not miss a day. And he still can't move it. Still call me. So he's vex now and I spent 365 days trying to move this bolder and for me, yeah. So he goes to the mountain again he praised and he goes good. I've done exactly what you said, mankind not push the boulder. And then God sets him go look in the mirror. Now mine's got 6 pack flexing. I can do that thing with a, you know? And then God said to him, I didn't ask you to move it. All I said was push against it. Yeah, yeah. Hey, we could do both. That is him. That is real. And I feel like that's been my journey throughout lockdown. My journey for a lot down is really been about that level of obedience and it's made me a much stronger person, my relationship with God is a lot stronger and is definitely at the forefront. What I mean? So I wake up going to my studio at home. I spend time with God first thing in the morning. It was sometimes it might be half hour, 45, sometimes it might be just 5 minutes. But I made sure I dedicate that first portion of the day. And spend that we've got and then it just aligns everything. So when people look at me and see the winds, like that's where it comes from. But at the same time, I'm not afraid to talk about the losses in that. Of course, I mean, it's important. People need to see that, especially when you're looking at it from a business perspective or wherever. There's always going to be challenges, you know, I've done events and lost two grand. I mean, we did, we, me and my cousin, we started doing a variety show in college, years ago. And then it was on my heart just to always to redo it. So back in like 2018, I spoke to my cousin ibs. I was like, because I need to do to show you. I was like, yeah, worked out the peas and all of that. And like, yeah, I was like, look, if we get 700 and something people in our bodies there are one's gonna make some cool little peas for long story short. 7 days before the event may not only sold 85 tickets. Yeah. So 85 tickets. So my sister at one of my prayer sisters, she said, look, she foamy, this came on the front straight, which is a lot. God told me to tell you to pray and foster for the next 7 days. I said, I call. I pray the faucet for the next 7 days. When I 7 days, we sold I think another 300 ticket. Now, what God was telling me was not that I'm going to sell out these things for you by this need you to really understand that when you put everything on me like and not try to do it yourself, I'm going to come through because that season was 2019. So we did the show in October 2019, not knowing that moms down the line that the pandemic was coming. So what I had worked out with God was preparing me to lean on him in such a way out of my total comfort zone because this pandemic was coming. And it's locked down was coming. And the bookings that was already ready, the deposit that had been paid, was not going to be there. But then I'm here now, nearly two years later, with two businesses, things are good, Sunday services store run in the kids on teaching, the workshops that I'm doing like the doors that got us open in this season is crazy. I made them. It's crazy. I can't even fathom. Sometimes I wake up and think, wow. Even yesterday, I got an email from the producer. My producer went next to her. It was my birthday like two weeks ago, and he messaged me and said, oh, late birthday present. So I've opened up this email, I haven't got my own lap one extra drops from. Yeah. About my own one extra night. Let me state it, yeah. I don't even have my own show. I'm just like an official mixed DJ. Yeah. But I've got my own jingles. I've grown up listening to one extra from the day Doc. And he would want it. One day, I'm gonna get my own and the biggest dog. Whether or not anything else happens after this, I can kick the office say, I got my one extra Bangkok, I put them on three different hard drives yesterday. That would be so. Yeah, so trust me. It's just really, I just need people to understand with all the challenges or adversities. And I know we are going to want to make it too Churchill, but I'm like, please. If this is touching at your heart, or you're listening or watching this and feeling like because I know man's been churching it must have been there and you know, you know, when the call comes in, my name is not fun. No. I'm just saying whether it be, you know what I mean? You go to but just if it's pulling on your heart right now, this is what buzz telling me to tell somebody, looking this camera. If we feel it, then you know, you need to act on it. Yeah, yeah. This is real life. I'm not just saying this for entertainment or whatever. Like, I believe in my faith and it's really carried me and my family through. So if it can do what it's done for me, then why can't I do what it can do for you? You know what's the math thing is for me? It's like, I remember going through secondary school year and being, as I said, I wasn't the wreck yesterday, didn't it? There was bad breed kids in it. But I was bad, you know, for an African child. Perfectly. I used to have to jump prince to even get out of my house. Okay, so every single door. Okay, all right. So it wasn't that take you in mind. Yeah. I used to sneak my kicks you out of the house. We're not gonna lie, hold the mom that if you watch this, then the school I used to go to never had no uniform. Okay. Yeah, so Elliot, when I was getting to Elia in the 90s, there was no uniform for the school, but China I had my uniformity. Mom and dad made sure I still had the house uniform. So I'm still got like a navy jump posture, I agree, Charles is like a great when everybody else is wearing suit and chippy jeans. So what I used to do, I used to sneak my kicks you in my racks at least leave the house in the uniform, go down, there was a little back routine. Yeah, I used to take off the clothes. Or I did that tortures. That would be called meet the mother. So I just want to let more with that, though I did that. But yeah, go to put you in my spaces. For the guys who liked that lifestyle in it, that gang lasted. I'm not saying God wants you to shoot out the place. Do you guys say? But he will put you in a space where you can influence people like that. Do you know what I'm saying? So for me, it's always been the young people have always kind of been man's heart. You know, and I understand that life gets techy. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Life gets very techies. They're sticky one, but that don't mean that people have to remain in that pace. I was speaking to one of my boys, that just came out a pen trying to go fully legit, put the money in the P's down for his car wrapping company, wrapping big cars signing NDAs where he called disclosed who he's doing it for the rest of it. And you see, like, when? Squad, that was that. Put me in some spaces, but I like big change. I like, do you know what I say? Imagine my platform school. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Where people are like, we've got this a similar name as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he comes out he's like, yeah, man, you know, showing me the other day. Men got some picture on my Instagram standing next to a Bentley. I think it's one of the good news. Do you know what I'm saying? What might I play me as Macy's? What I'm saying? And I think that's one thing we've got to realize. The circle of influence. It's important. Trust me. You have to surround yourself with the right people. Yeah, you've got to be around people. And I know it sounds really cliche winners. But even my team, my song, sweet were entertainment. These men really are doing bits. You know what I mean? Most of my guys in my team are teachers. JR, T 21, producer, one is like a qualified trainer. These people are really doing bits, not just for the music scene but for the next generation and you know, if it wasn't for like JR doing the right academy, I probably wouldn't be doing the whole program because it just makes it more tangible that somebody I know is doing that. I mean, so you got to be around the right people. People like CK flash, he's an MBE. I mean, he's trained Kai white. We recently just is the silver medalist BMX guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the Olympics. Now, I've known CK for a long time from the DJ team, like Spencer faron like the books in Google. You know what I mean? Like now, the circle of people that I'm going around is changing and you then realize that it's important to be around the right people. Energy is not lost. It's just transferable. So you've got to understand that you have to protect your energy because for example, let's say the energy in this room wasn't right. And we finished the podcast. I'm now going to go and link up with misses milks and the family. Yeah. And then I get to them and then my face is push up. Yeah. Why'd you face push up? By asking me. It's a different energy. So they get away with you as well. And then you just offset everything. Everything. So it's important just to make sure that your circle of influence is good. And then you go out and understand that you're an influence for somebody else. So for me, you know, teaching the young people and not even just young people, but other people how to DJ, now is so rewarding. It's like it's amazing to sit there and watch somebody listen to what you're saying and do it. I did a lesson. I did two lessons last night, and I'm like, wow. One of them I've been teaching for like three weeks. And she literally was just mixing. And then she messaged me today and she's like, all milks. What controller do I need to get? I mean, I feel like it's important because I feel like some of the DJs that were before me didn't create that opportunity for me. I mean, I want to big up the rampages that your kids boogie bunch doctor cycle RIP DJ swing people like that G money. These are guys that really kind of help mold Mia and a lot of my scene, but I feel like it's important for us to really try and take some of the young ones under the wing and kind of show them like, I've got a young DJ, a matter of food, the rats academy, DJ esri. I've been teaching her since she was like 8 months and now. Now she's DJ and on a monthly at nighttown in West End. Don't be like, yeah. You know like. The level of play. And the fact that her family, you know what I mean a really allowed me to become part of the farm? You know what I mean? And be a part of that journey. It's amazing man and for me those are the wins right now. Yeah. And I think that's where I think my successes are really going to come from is planting to others. I think there was a phrase that called from that we learned. We need to inspire and guide, and for me, I really, that really hit me. I was like, wow. If that's going to be my legacy, I want my legacy to be that I've inspired and guided other people. My boys should say to me back in the day, how many people you blessed is how you measure success. Hundred. PAA. Listen. So just wrapping up in it. What do you see for yourself in the next 5 years? I'm trying to answer that question. No, do you know what for the next 5 years? I definitely see an even more active role in church. I know some of my congregations about the quote on congregation. They're like, no, we can see it. And the thing is, I've always known that it's going to go that way. So as we're before, I wouldn't even have said that on camera. Yeah. No, I'm just owning it in it. Yeah. It's going to get to a point where, you know, it's going to be possible. Yeah. I mean, not just the character that I've created. It's going to be that, you know what I mean? So I definitely see that, you know, I definitely should see more, you know, kind of community led of opportunities and operations. So we just recently going to be launching or just starting to launch our own radio station. So I like that. So the radio station is called reach LDM radio. I had the idea for years. But now, now that I've got the whole program, it kind of coexists. So if we're training young people to DJ, Destin needs to be an angle. Yeah. And for them, the end goal or the next step would be the radio station. Yeah. So we're going to be able to teach them how to be radio presenters, DJs, production, all of that kind of stuff. So the whole program and reach ODM radio will coexist through the whole program. And then they'll look across and this division go to building it. But it's a division course given me that on the other side they will see the radio station all that, but I call that's where I want to get to. That is exactly how you started this conversation. Yeah. Do you feel what I'm saying? I love it. That is sick. Yeah. So that's the vision gods giving me. So yeah, that's definitely gonna be growing. And just trying to be a light for our people. And I think I knew that was gonna be the case, even when I was younger, but I'm now a lot more comfortable and confident in being that light. 'cause I feel like there's a lot of darkness going on. Yeah, definitely. And I feel like, you know, for black men, you know, I think, especially with targeted army. So if my life can help somebody else's, whether it's milk tree or Martin, I mean, then I'm here, I'm all here for it. That's what kind of put me here for. So, yeah, that's really it. And then, you know, just some nice classy events. I mean, I'm 43 now. I mean, I mean, I want to be able to get dressed up on a black tie and the ladies putting a nice dressing and we do something not all people didn't end up. We're going to dinner and dancing. You know, those kind of things. I mean, those are the things I want us to do. I want us to get dressed and feel like black excellence and look like it and actually live it. So I mean because I know there's a lot of madness in America and wherever. But you see like when they go into that space, when you go to Atlanta and you throw one of them, yeah and you see it. You know what I mean? And it's not just about the money or whatever. It's about celebrating life and living and, you know, feeling good about yourself. So I think that's important. So yeah, that's really where I see milk trade going and the radio station and things like that blossom in. The family presents. I'm just sick. You know who we just bro? I'm just saying ward off when you see one of my business partners my cousin the brains of all of the operations and the big shout out to my cousin Warner. But yeah, one of us made the phone call from. Tell him if he ever lost a big whip. Come on. Step out in excellent. Come on. Let's do this. Anyway, I'm just yeah. I'm just here. I've said to Don Barron, podcast has been like a massive fur piece for me in it. And I didn't think I'd love something like I love music. Writing and stuff like this. But just conversations like this. How many times do you get to sit and actually have a conversation like this with? Yeah, you know, like, oh, I got to do this for work. I got to do this for the family. To just sit down and talk with your heart open and so I feel like my duty now is to get as good as I possibly can doing this. You start eating good. You didn't even know yet, because you started as an MC yet in youth events. And how you never think that transferred into blood cluster, didn't it? Yeah. But when you was there speaking to people, now you're sitting here speaking to people and it's just common natural. You think that's a normal thing? And again, that's why I got allowed me to take the journey because I 60 and I didn't have the confidence. I didn't have any of that. I quote. You know what, you see your grandmother? Yeah, you know the train up or child the way that he or she should grow and even when the problem is? I am the definition because the fact that I was two weeks ago, playing my mix and praise in my and I'll be honest, even when I went up on the water 'cause I hosted the event. I got emotional because I stood there and I looked at the second roll and knew that if my grandma was here, she wasn't. Yeah. And then you know how churches set up. So in my church, you know, the pastas and the top dogs will sit in a certain section. And I was able to sit next to my pawn star. And then I must like, we had the doily bothers performed, and they sang they did a cover version of a Marvin SAP never would have made it. And then I came on afterwards and I played, there's a remix of it. It's like a up front kind of turn up remix of it. I played that and the whole church was vibrant. Cultures of fibrin and I sat back down and then my bishop leaned over and he said, I get it. I get it. I get it. So for me, it's full circle now. So now my church is talking about I give us a date because we want you to come and bring milk to a Sunday service. Now, to church, and the funny thing is, two years ago, God gave me that gave me a vision that I was going to do it in my church, and the church would be round to the rafters. And I just didn't get it. I didn't get it. I loved that. So ladies and gentlemen, that is where we're going to cool it. It's been it's been fun. Thank you for blessing us 'cause obviously you've taken the time out of your day. And I know it's your anniversary in it. Anniversary. 8 years of this team. Come on, bro, you know? So, yeah, we thank you blessed and lift up your family as well. And yeah, so where could people find you just quickly before you? Yeah, really DJ milk trade pretty much on everything in star Twitter. The whole program on IG hope pro UK, the radio station reached ODM radio on IG, you can download our app as well. It's already up and running. On both platforms Android and iOS, so just search for reach radio, and yeah, just catch me online man on there. Find me on the IG. I know the Twitch man. Comment journal for Sunday services. And then we stream in the week and we'll have that. And your mind is just loving Latin. It's just love and love that. I love that. So ladies and gentlemen, you know what it is. My name's Simon. My name is Don, and we've been the family.

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"The london next episode of sips suds and smokes. Today's episode all about wine and today we're going to be discussing the fouling wines. We have the belly union seventy on walk. Twenty nineteen yummy. We have the diet. Tom bar in vineyard chardonnay. Twenty nineteen also yummy. We have the burra clifton. 2017 pinot noir. I'm going to audit from numancia. We have the 2017 terms. I'm not gonna say anything about them. We have the bella. Union twenty seventeen napa valley cabernet sauvignon. Dennis will waxrx the belly union. Two thousand eighteen rutherford cavs cabernet-sauvignon and the don mature twenty eighteen. I'm not complaining that we didn't get any oysters today. I mean that was why not complain. We should have had some moisture. But you know what bob would it. Kill you to grill steak with a girl state where we here. We'll be right back after this break. Didn't brought to you almost live from the dude in basement studios. Why because that's where the good stuff is. It's six folks with your smoking host the good old boy Now it's time. Hello and welcome to this sips episode where everything good and wife is worth discussing as ma'am bob. As always we are the best thing on two. Am wrong wrong wrong. There is now this thing called net flicks and i have. Hbo mac now disney plus streaming services. Bob and i'm not doing an ad you guys can send us some money sent the i i'm all for you. I like this whole streaming thing and the whole netflix. Show thing. i tried that with my wife. She turned on the a c. That's not was looking for is just up at night. You know looking at dirty pictures on the internet best non streaming thing was made. Man bob joining me. Today are good old galvanise. Good morning gentlemen. It's a pleasure to be here again and made mandatory. Good morning mop love. I love. I love the damn. The bourbon has gotten his basement day. It's just all the little lines. The bacchus theme the grapes. It's like the jungle cruise. Right thank you for making it. So warm and homey and go boy harmeet. Thank you for me bob. I really loved the vats of grapes. Do i have to stop them. Craziest lie them. Enroll around your complaint will say segments are all about wine. Distilled spirits tea coffee and anything else that you can drink. Today's episode is all about wine. And today we're going to be discussing the following winds. We have the belly. Union sauvignon twenty nineteen yummy. We have the die. Tom barham vineyard chardonnay. Twenty nineteen also yummy. We have the clifton. 2017 pinot noir. I'm going to wax rhapsodic from numancia. We have the 2017 thermes. I'm not gonna say anything that we have the belly. Union twenty seventeen napa valley cabernet. Southern yang denise will wax rhapsodic the bella union twenty eighteen rutherford cabras cabernet-sauvignon and the don mature twenty eighteen. And i'm glad you processed correctly so we're gonna have harmed. Tell us all about our sips ratings. Well thank you bob. I would like to tell you all about our sips ratings. As he said we're going to be tasting and discussing these wines rating them with these tips with our senior sounds. You're their finger on the button. Bob man waiting on you figure out of your pocket. Bob different but different here. Those ratings down one sip. Give me a glass of water to wash out my mouth water lines. Why they're not right. He's like a really bad method actor. There's no method to this. You to start calling you mr lincoln as you walking around to sips nice but what else do you half noise. Three sips interesting. What was this again. Style forceps let's keep this one a secret tour selves parmi another. It's radio you can have to speak up. You have that sound engineers five sips o- fifth. Oh my was unaware anything could be this good. Having a good sandwich is the sound is never heard of as and you really big foot long. Italians yeah i thought those cats deli there did no better less bodice all right so we're going to have more. Tell us all about our. I want to take it away. Thank you bob i. Wine is the bella. Union sauvignon blocked two thousand nineteen. It's the dicara. Vineyard in rutherford napa valley coming in it blank percent. Ab we say blank because we couldn't find it on the bottle. That's right yeah. I can't find fired on by legal. See you think. I missed that. I left it there. Because i couldn't find it. I know it's it's here it. Is you need a magnifying. Really tiny line gloss. It's fourteen point three. thank you sir. Is that close enough thank you. It's over fourteen fourteen. Let me tell you about bella. Union belly was established in two thousand twelve by the partners of napa valley's farney day and nickel a nickel wineries and is situated on a twenty five acre cabernet-sauvignon vineyard along the storied. Bella oaks lane. In rutherford the name bella union is a nod to the history of bella oaks lane which was known as the bella union roadway in the eighteen eighties. At that time the country lane led into my optimus mountains and eventually to the bella union mining company. Brooke bobby became head. Winemaker in two thousand twenty one after previously serving as system for bella union and nickel a nickel before joining the farney family team broke held positions at stag's leap winery hall family wines jordan vineyard and winery church road winery in new zealand and at two new data. Delvaux johnno in tuscany. She gets around. It's impressive in two thousand nineteen. Excuse me it means what you think it means. No i know what it means. You're one the mind in the gutter. The two thousand nineteen is the inaugural vintage of the bella. Union sauvignon blanc and comes from the dicara vineyard which are situated at the toe of an alluvial fan that extends from the western miyakojima strange. What part is the toe of alluvial fan. The point where point not the pivot now japanese fan. We're no that's the toes. Where because this japan. No ba- quiet. Thank you because sitting. Because soil is comprised of fluvial river deposits and gravelly clay which are well draining. Now that's a mouthful alluvial fans and fluvial river deposits. Let's talk about the river. Color is a very pale straw. Almost colorless on the knows it is dominated by white peach more white peach and more wiping wore white pete followed by some citrus and tropical fruit on the palate. It's light it's bright. It's fruit forward. It's got some nice balance it's got a medium finish. It's really a delightful wine. It's really a very nice easy drinking. All day sauvignon blanc. Doesn't stand out in any one direction. But it's just pleasant easy going and and quite enjoyable. I liked it quite a lot. Denise what did you think of it you know. I'm not the world's biggest sauvignon punk fan. But but this is very nice. It's pleasant. I enjoy drinking it. An addition to the peaches. I got really crisp green apple on the nose. You're right about that. But i gotta get the apple especially when it was warm butter. Granny smith apple that it was definitely more prominent when it was ice cold. Yeah well but on the palate you get the tartness so you get a slight tart until you said green apple. I don't get the nash of citrus. Which is really good. And it's got a it's got a nice finish. It's a little short but it's nice. Fashion what can you expect for entry. Level sauvignon first time. They've made one right yeah. I think it's an excellent effort for their first inaugural release. Yeah yeah it's like a bully nia glass maine. It's it's like white page white beach each and it's got that little tartness the apple. I'm yeah it's it's not your typical sauvignon buck. I'm really digging it. I think it's i think it's really well made. And i think for their first first effort out. You know. Just shows what they can do. I mean excellent wines. I loved the mouth feel. It was very silky on the radio and when it was cold i thought the fruit was too restrained but as was worn out. Yeah it's just all peach and the tropical for. I can't figure out what tropical fruit is not mango pineapple. But you know it's tropical fruit tropical. Yes not bananas nope no so not passion for. That's for sure. Said some things stripe them. I right bill jack. For fritz striping fritsch tripe and juicy fruit are play with jack for brain. Yeah wow. I learned that from some friends who actually knew that you wear something today. Yeah like being on the pbs after school special fixture all right so we're going to be rating the bella. Union sauvignon bonk twenty. Nineteen bacall vineyard rutherford valley thirt- fourteen points something. We can't read a being point one. I read it. I use the magnet. I was gonna say he's my phone. Yeah exactly if messed up. Every rainer well-deserved three sets while don guys so we're going to be going on to our next wine which is from the folks at brewer clifton. berquin winds can trace their origins back to nineteen ninety. Five where greg bourne. Steve clifton melt while working on a committee serving in the santa barbara vendors association vintners nineteen ninety six after saving a modest twelve thousand dollars. I project they were able to secure contracts to produce an inaugural two hundred forty cases of wine within the santa barbara winery were. Greg held a role as assistant. Winemaker always having their sights lack or in an area that they would personally map later and defined as the santa rita hills they utilize relationships in the neighbouring santa maria valley for the majority of their fruit as vineyards were being developed. Closer to home. After brief periods being housed within other wineries burke left and created their first standalone facility in two thousand that same year the santa rita hills was identified and approved as an american viticultural area in two thousand twelve marked the first vintage where all the fruit was produced and hailed from the estate vineyards within the santa rita hills appellation and that same year. The wine spectator deemed the twenty twelve. Santa rita hills pinot noir. Is the number eight wine a beer sir. I wind from borough clifton is the diet. Tom embar in vineyards chardonnay. Twenty nineteen fourteen point five percent aby. It's named after the prehistoric piped-in fossils that are mind in the area for several decades which we use for pool filters the diet tom. Bar 'em vineyard is sourced from the blocks of clone seventy six chardonnay planet over twenty years ago in the almost region of santa barbara county. 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Thanks for joining the show man. I you know why because you're looking at your p no. I'm against the next morning. I'm so excited so on the nose sweet orange blossoms with a just a dusty mineral note definitely those die. Tom's coming out right and on on the palate green apple huge mental. I'm huge huge lime. And it's just a really nice earthy nece to it again. I think it's it's the entire work through this is this is growing in a dusty valley full of earth. So i think it's reflecting where it's coming from. It's got a really nice morality to it. I know it's donna -tations but i honestly like a chalky thing on the nose really. Yeah absolutely lovely. Yeah i mean this is this is this is not your typical napa valley. Buttery sticky chart now But absolutely beautiful what you think. In addition to the morality. I get this little you know hidden node of i. I can't really identify but for me. A big craft beer drinker so sometimes hops or the happiness or the heaviness will jump out and neutral. Actually what i get from mario. Yeah yeah. And i really liked that. Actually so i like when i can identify that and i don't think came out on the wind was cooler. It's now now the down. It's not a vegetable green vegetable or a dried out kind of a brown dried. Irby saying i agree disagree more green. Yeah that's got to be more green green but the pallets really nice not stop branch. Is that sage now. Not brown gets ever get a nice scramble. Lying must leave with that yeah. That's what i get. It's nice that's really nice when it was called a and get this at all but It's chalky and what do you think about the finish on tunis. Soft and short mouthful their brain across the table because he was like i contacted me. That's just bra. What the and short. Let's say that's on you harm. It's getting personal denise. Please don't don't encourage you. Don't make eye contact with harm. would you say bory. I agree with most of what's been said. I thought this was a lovely wine. It is different than my traditional style of chardonnay in that it's not easy and buttery. There's a little hint of butter in there. I mean it's definitely not forward with since they've really gone creative inhibited. the mouth zero. It's not zero definitely palette dominated by the green app on the line again. This really is reminiscent of of assault blonde. It's a saab drinkers chardonnay in a stainless steel fermentation bright flavor. Bom it's not. It's not a butter bomb definitely summer. Why it could definitely be as denise would say coughing wine out by the pool for the day. I thought it was lovely. Buttery stereotypical chardonnay. I'm i'm excited to see something that's different. Yeah a lot to lose. I'm seeing more wind. California winemakers have pulled back from that. Thank god yeah. We used to call that stuff back in the day. Cougar juice. The big butter bombs tons of oak. Cougar juice in the business. It wasn't that. What do you call a accomplish. Keep your sexual preferences off of the cooker anyway. Anyway so the wine. I think was very well made. And you know denise was and i were talking off the air and we were talking about. I prefer sauvignon block with raleigh. Timely true denise and talk to off the air. I with this chardonnay made for oysters. This is gorgeous isn't deo to rename began. Banville or some. Some oysters rockefeller would do. It might be better because the green not sabine. Villes got a chopped spinach. And i think that goes great with this. So's rockefeller rockefeller. You've got the per no and something else Be unveiled his bacon. Well bacon and our on expects fresh oysters no otherwise tangent here so anyway getting back to why we're going to be Rating diet. Tom barham vineyard chardonnay. Twenty nineteen and extremely well deserved forceps lovely wine. So we're going to see a harm can actually make it through this when you think you can take us into the next one. I'm going to talk about the wine. I've been waiting to talk about all all evening all morning early morning hours. Whatever i'll be taking a nap. Yeah me too. This is the burke rupture in twenty seventeen hundred war. Fourteen point five percent. Abcd a blend is compromised comprised compromise. Compromise i've been compromised. show now. Yeah they frozen uncompromised. We've all been come from blend is comprised of the three d. machado and happens could vineyards the three d. vineyard is a sandy ten acre vineyard planted primarily in chardonnay with a smaller field of pinot noir planted swan pa- mart and the six seven clones chato vineyard is fifteen acre parcel of rolling terrain adjacent pepe and immediately behind the kessler hawk vineyard with sandy clay and loam soils us great drainage and we have a small two and a half acre parcel of hapgood vineyard was planted in two thousand ten with the mary edward clone pinot noir grape which i freaking love by the way and making this wine they practice whole core co cluster fermentation and use neutral oak barrels. And i also like that. Maho cuss ho. Cluster pinot noir. When you do this ho cluster. Fermentation you're gonna get a lot of the stem. You're gonna get more tannock background from than the stems in the skins you get more spice coming out of your pinot. Noir and the neutral barrel allows the wind shine rather than the oak. Color is a beautiful translucent. Ruby there is nothing added this most people when they think about pinot noir. They think about really dark red wine. And that's the dirty little secret of california pinot noir. Is they adulterate their wine with its compromise. If you will with grenache or sarah generally sarah or bernarda which as sweetness and deep rich color of this but you should be able to read through pune and award. It should be translucent. It's gorgeous. This is the translucent hundred percent pinot noir on the nose i get tons of cranberry a little pomegranate huge white tea and citrus. They have raspberry and they're now which i don't really get but the citrus is a little bit in the background. It's like a lemony white. T think on a little bit peach palmer lots of pomegranate and on the end i get rose pedals. Roses and a little hint of tar on the palate. The black fruit which gig tar tar har- a petrol new yeah mineralogy so dried figs and ripe cherries and clothes on the palate cloves close. This is clogged. It smelled up taste that you just don't southern l. And he snorting it. That's a new way so alan. It's all about closed. The tony montana dried figs. The finish is clove and truffle and cinnamon and it's medium long. I loved this wreaking wine. Tell me why. I'm wrong denise. I know you don't like this now. This is lovely. I know i like it. But i'm getting completely different notes. So wondering he's drinking. No no no. I on the nose i really. Maybe i just cannot identify the white t and as crazy as this sounds. It's like oh. Wow identify white. Teeth is normally. Don't like white tea but with this pomegranate and the the spice i freaking little cup of white t about two weeks ago at my mom's house but when i first nosed this wine i thought wow. That's what my hair smells like the night after. I've been around a campfire which is really strange because no no so. Let me let me just explain. It's not smokey. It's not burnt. It's just this nice subtle. I wake up in the morning. i'm like. oh wow. That was early. Good night because i'm brushing my hair and i can get this little hint of something. So it's mit immediately awesome. That's that's what my hair smells like. The night after a cash have liabilities and i get the salinity. That's what i get on the nose. I i'm sorry but in the finish is really great. It's got a little bit of pepper for me on the finish. I don't know where that comes from. Its it does have a medium finish for me. But i get a little a little pepper this. I'll give you. i talked to me. It's more yeah close at all news so it was close indian food. I cook a lot closer. And i eat a lot of indian food all right and you've never cooked indian food for me in this close cook anyway. Your mother does all the cooking. My mother does agree now. Because i wanted new orleans. Technically the indian food lived in new orleans. And you think that anything doesn't that chardonnay didn't go well with girls oysters. Always prefer sauvignon cowboys. But this girl. We talk about grilled oysters. The only way to eat oyster. Now roasters good to and beyond glenn rockefeller and black and blue. There's a lot of ways to do. Era black louis tres grilled with blue cheese and cajun garlic sauce. Oh you're ruining them. Yes now nobody who makes to go to work later where you could get black and blue easter's in new orleans new orleans but also let's just a habit in fort lauderdale. In wilton manors you can go to shucking dive ya event to shatkin dive. I've not had the lowest second manners for each one. Hundred percents at the manors. Well anyway the sign says welcome restaurant. Whatever bob what do you think jude always wandering around bumping into walls knows me room. It's very floral. it's got some red fruit to it. Definitely get the white t and on the palate. Huge huge big. Jerry's as i smell it now. Remember i was talking about the figs. On the yeah. There's the cherries coming out. Now i mean it's it's it's absolutely a beautiful wine. I can't really think of anything they could do to make it better other than the ship as a case. So you're clifton we've had their their their saab block in this piano but they're really known for their chartres. I love their frequent chard. You guys need some short. well we're gonna be rating. The burke lift 2017 pinot noir. A well-deserved forceps. We're going to move onto our next whiskey or we're going to have denise tells about that it's a wine because the why are we still on the air. Why are we still on the air. Okay great well say well we should this well founded in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight bodega numancia located and they'll define has casteel and leone and the torah region in the northwest of spain. And you gentlemen can correct any pronunciation for me move along. Douglas data numancia vineyard is composed of four hundred and ninety four acres of vines in the commune's of toro morales detoro while the fien has vinnie. Albo el pego argo. Go heat argue. He yo wow. That was awful. The torah region has a long standing tradition and winemaking and viticulture dating back to roman times during the middle ages. Torah winds were also the first in the world to travel to the americas carried on christopher columbus ships. In fourteen ninety two some of the vines on their state are reaching up to a hundred and fifty years. Old yummy yummy. I have had some of those so tomase by numancia. Twenty seventeen one hundred percent. Nta detoro grapes. The clone of temper nego from vines ranging from thirty to fifty years old with four days of old maceration and seven days of fermentation with pumping over one to two times per day. That should be cold. Maceration what did i say old. You're old and when you say pumping settlers pumping over a pumping over one to two times per day aged for fourteen months and twenty percent new french oak coming in at fifteen percent. Ab v. well. The color is a really nice dark being cherry color. It's beautiful to look at so big garnett On the news for me. I got a lot of this purple. Her read spices a little menthol. It's got it's got a lovely knows a lot of black fruit on the news. Yeah i misspoke. During really identify just a mental on this one eucalyptus. I agree well. I'm going to go back to that. Because i think you're right. I think menthols just too overbearing and pungent eucalyptus definitely fricken beautiful right. It's really nice wine. It is and i definitely get the spices and the cinnamon and the eucalyptus course on the palate at soft scott. Some gentle tannin's it's got a really. It's why trump gentle tans and a nice medium finish a lovely wine. it's delicious like string. Mars swayed cat of nine tails. That's what did you say more on. Let me try to elevate this discussion out of the gutter. I think it's a lovely wine. I really enjoyed it very nicely. I it definitely has some dominance of time and eucalyptus and herbal qualities to the palate. Which i kind of like it was not really particularly fruit forward. I agree with you denise. The tannin's were were gentle and soft and well integrated I think it's a really lovely wine. it's really improved nicely with some air in the glass. We i poured it. It was a little bit more closed. But it's just opened up beautifully this too. I think he's been i used to. But yeah we did. I this one for sure for all of us. Would you think arm. I think he has decided this. Is it black fruit and spices on the nose. I get plum and fig think for the price. The values fantastic. She used to be a fifty dollar back in the day. These days. closer to thirty. It's reasonably priced line. I think you could. You know not embarrassed about it anywhere. It's drinking beautifully. it's well rounded. It's not offensive. There's really nothing to offend. Anybody beautifully made this. They're cheap stuff. Demonte makes the termez. They make new mafia termez. Which is there sixty to one hundred dollars. I can't remember the name pratt. Price point that and then they may tramonte which is over two hundred. So this is the cheap one. And its till freakin great. Well it's much more approachable now. The problem with their higher end winds as they on your way. Yes you need to buy them and lay them down for a very long time to not to mention to canton era and this did well with just a few minutes of air bob. Well when they asked. If i'd like to do this one you know. Descend us a sample. I told him. I said you know. Do you know this. When i said i know this one very well because this is One of the dozen or so winds. That is kind of a daily drinker around here in the house and i can still remember the first daily. Yeah pretty much explains a lot Got to You know it's it's it's a really great wine for the money. That's the thing that i love about it you. You're getting some serious flavor. You're getting some serious town and you're getting a really good quality wine for you know not a a large amount of money is something you can afford to keep in the house and drink whenever you feel like it. So that was a slam dunk for me when they when they said they wanted to ended may do you know. Yeah i know why i can give i can give you the i can give you the tasting notes out of my head. So that's an easy one but again it's it's dark black fruit. It's got that early time note to it. It's got some lovely soft mouth feel to it. It's got great backbone. The tannin's aren't really really right up in your face. Which is the thing. I like about it. You know. it's a good solid honest wine for the money If you see it on the shelf definitely grab one and we're going to be reading that a well deserved tips still in. We're back and we are talking about some wines. Apparently more he's talking about something else Talking about some winds we just finished talking about the Termi numancia gave that a well-deserved. Mary sips don't maybe get him. Slap you attorneys like armies. I don't think so. Raise i'm v hermes down for me good wine solid value. So we're going to go on to our next wine or we're going to have more you tell us about that one. Thank you sir bob The next one will be the bell. Union two thousand seventeen napa valley. Cavernous sauvignon the cornerstone of this bland. Is there twenty five acre vineyard. In rutherford along bella oaks lane the vineyard planted primarily with cabernet-sauvignon in well drained loam and vines ranged from twenty to thirty years of age. Classic varietals of malbak cabernet franck and petite for dough source for select napa valley vineyard. Complete the blend. We don't have the exact nature of the blood but there's a little bit of those blending grapes in it. It's got a beautiful color. It is dark and purple and inky and opaque I love the color. It's just it's not as dark as a as a as your heart there. You go go ahead now. He doesn't have a heart talking about his soul on the nose Get a little cherry cola. A little niece. Little baking spice. It's got a nice knows. It's not the most extravagant knows i've had but i i like it on the palate. Black cherry blueberry very fruity of coca cola. Use me cocoa cocoa and cocoa. Coca-cola cocoa recall cocoa. Okay it's it's it's lovely. It's got a nice medium to long finish. It's a beautiful cabernet. It's one of my favorites of the day so far. I really can't say enough. Good things about this wine. It's just a classic variety. Correct to quote harmeet napa valley cabernet. It definitely needs some air. We'd we did this. We let it sit in. The glass made a big difference. It's warmed up nicely to room temperature. I loved it. I thought it was fantastic. The niece maury. What do you think it's hard to follow that. But i just think that it is so crazy and so great. That cherry cola is on the nose of this. it's just so fun And so i. I just knows this for a really long time. I love that often. I get the cherry cola notes on zinfandel but this is still cab. You can tell his cabinet. There's not messing around right right. You just don't get the pepper. So the peppers remove like an zinfandel and then you get this cherry cola love blueberry so the blueberry shine through for me the cocoa is there love the tannin's and the medium. Finish it sort of just lingers in your mouth. And i really like that so i i'm really enjoying the swine especially as the morning has gone on. It's opened up a little bit of the gloss about the finish. Though i like the finish. I do it. It sorta besides the cherry cola note and the cherries. they're big but on the palate. Blueberries is some lutheran. Yeah right you saw blue fruit. Yeah yeah. I love that song. Love the nurse. I love it tastes. It's so good Yeah it's just getting better. Definitely i mean i love the mouth feel it starts out. Silky soft definitely ten comes in gives you a good grip it you age ability right. You are definitely approved for quite some time to come. I mean this is young. This is a two thousand seventeen. It's barely barely coming into its own. I'm not complaining that we didn't get today. I mean that was bobbin. Denise complained rainy we should have had some moisture. But you know what bob would it. Kill you to grill steak. Would it kill you to grill state where we kill you to help source winds for a wine show. Whoa ow schulmberger now. This is a lovely wine Again great knows dr cherries baking spice on the at everything. That you want from from your classic cab It's it's so well put together. It's got it's got real soft up the front but the what just blooms in the back when the when the tan and hits. That's the that's the really amazing part. I think given the couple of more years in the cellar sitting in the bottle. This thing is going to just get better and better and can you pass the bottle. Yeah of course here which you want the two thousand seventeen not the eighteen. I want the good stuff. So we're gonna give me on my friend. We are going to give the bella union two thousand seventeen napa valley cab a well-deserved forceps so let's move onto the next one and let's see if harm can actually make after this. This is the good one all right now. I don't. I don't disagree with anything. We said about bob forceps or anything like that. But the that napa. But rutherford is navia within napa and it. Rutherford has the distinct tan instructor. That's more dusty. And this is it right here so this is another one. that's inky almost. It's a beautiful deep rich ruby. Opaque hell but knows is cherry espresso spice and pencil lead as a set early on. That was no pencil. Now's you've been telling me you need some more land your pencil. I can help with that. Oh yes we're not doing other commercial are we can help you off the air for leading your pencil your opinion man so okay so as the sat earlier on we i poured it was all about the cherries. And then i got the espresso now. Is it sitting pencil lead and menthol coming out and the tannin's on this that's all on the palate so let's have a set of suppression defecation Chew that wine tannin's are delving soft. And then they grip in their through comes out red sheri's little bit blueberry like the last one but more darker fruit will figure cocoa that dusty earth offered and the finishes longer here than the last one. Yep even though this is an eighteen. And i think this needs more time in the bottle. Yeah take almost a crime to be drinking this right now. The other one is more drinkable today. This juan is got miles to go. And i think we'll continue to evolve. It's this good now. It's only gonna get better. Bob bob you tell me what your notes tell me what am i wrong. What's going on here. Red cherries raspberries. I don't get the raspberries. That dusty mineral again. Rutherford that that i do so of and again it starts out velvety until that tannin grabs you. By the back of the palette and destroys your underground and just noxious senseless. This thing in a couple of years is going to just be it. This one's gonna knock your head off. I think the napa one also is going to just continued sweeter this. I think this one in particular. This is more my powered. I think that give this about four or five years seller in this thing is going to be absolutely office charts. I'm thinking waggin beef with this time beef with kool aid with with pond. Wha what's ray well marlboro beef with this. This oh this was a steak would be. I mean even as it is right now. This would a steak would be off the chain. I mean this is really really fantastic. I can't say enough good stuff about it. so yeah. The difference between these two wines reminds me of sarah reserve a regular cab to a reserve. Cab this is definitely needs a little more time. It's definitely a little bit more tannock and is going to continue to evolve into something really spectacular. But it's it's a little young We've it's almost unfair as harm says to open literary crammed openness but we have to open it to the show. So i would've. When i saw these i desperately wanted. Just stick them in the back of the closet. Let him sit for another couple of years. But i haven't even seen any bella union in florida. I know there. I know there are selling it but yeah i haven't seen it either. Harm owned by far the anti self ardy anti i seldom nikola nickel sell adults and some of their other wines. But i've never seen the belly union here in florida. Maybe it might be restaurant. Only right now i gotta find me a restaurant then because stuff is fantastic and again. It's only gonna get better. So we're going to be reading the belly. Union twenty eighteen. Rutherford cabs sauvignon a well-deserved forceps If this was twenty four months later this thing would be five. Plus this yeah. I've returned for sure if you see all this grab it. If you see a bottle of the napa grab it and seller online. This seems to be very reasonable. Dinosaur one hundred bucks right. Yeah about eighty for the eighteen. Rutherford and about sixty free of this caliber. This is nothing. We're going to have denise tells us better for the day happy to do so. It's actually my favorite of the morning. So we're gonna drink and taste. The donald chore is a legacy wine from chile. I created in one thousand nine hundred seven by the gosh. I hope i pronounce this correctly. Julie's saucy close enough. Julius asti family of county toro and named for their forefather and chile and wine. Donald chore was created to be the expression of the puente alto vineyard in the upper my po valley overseen by winemaker and wreak tomato since nineteen ninety five they suck and other than your teeth and the carmen the best on your freaking one. I've had from chile really via. Wow the seven. Parcels of don melchor harvested independently to support over one hundred and fifty micro vin and the seller. Each then tasted and selected for the final composition. The second vintage of donald shore nineteen eighty eight was the first chilean wine to be named to wine. Spectators talk one hundred winds of the world where it has since placed nine times including three placements and the top ten not too shabby donald chore. Twenty eighteen coming in at fourteen point five percent. Ab the unique weather conditions in two thousand eighteen allowed the team at donald trump to showcase this latest release with the blend of all four bordeaux varieties planted and puente alto with a blend of ninety one percent cabernet-sauvignon five percent cabernet frong three percent merlot and one percent petit for dough. The vintage was warmer than average but unlike 2017 a more even distribution of rainfall allowed for steady maturation of multiple varieties harvested by hand between march and may twenty eighteen. This is beautiful and the glass. It is a deep dark. Garnett color So beautiful to look at the knows. It is really fruit forward for me. It's just big plump red fruit. I love that I get the same on the pallet. I get deep dark cherries. It's got a great mouth feel. The tannin's are really nicely balanced and it's got a really pleasant long finish for me definitely. I'm ready for the stake. Wanna drink more of the swine again. It's my favorite of the morning. And i will open the table to any and all comers who wanna talk about this maury. You're staring me down. No i'm just Drinking reworking look. He was trying to seduce you. Not working straight up every word. I thought it was a very nice job describing the swan. I thought you were having a seizure. Think that i love the fact that it's got all the bordeaux varietals but it's definitely new world. I mean you do not get this kind of depth and intensity and extraction out of old world wines and now more restrained more elegant but this has got a very high percentage cabernet which you don't see much bordeaux I love this wine. I think it's opened up nicely. It's really needed air and I'm glad we It to air it a little bit. We've given it some time in the glass Everything else you've said about. It is really spot on. It's delicious wine My only lament is not having a big fat juicy steak to go with it right about now. We come here and we complained that we drink free wine and baba's dinner much it. Yeah it's you know early in the morning. Well we we were. I'm thankful that they sent us this year. Because we did demos your last year. The two thousand seventeen. It was fantastic and this one is no slouch invited. They had a done mature dinner where we got to meet the winemaker Down in miami About a year year and a half ago You know fantastic. We got to try some of the older vintages We we had one. I want to say it wasn't the inaugural year. But i think it was second or third year after that so we got to taste some really deep stuff out of their seller and oh my god it was just so fantastic This year is you know. No slouch it. is you know. I didn't expect anything different from them. Y- considering all the ones that we've had from them it it did not disappoint. It is a fantastic wine. It hits every point That you're looking for when you're looking for something like this. When the body is there the mouth feel is there. The fruit is there It's got a magnificent color to it and again. This is another one that i think it's. It's honestly almost a crime that we're opening it now. 'cause you know at five to seven years this thing is just gonna absolutely blow your head off It's already doing it now. So imagine getting some of the bordeaux style less than your face more elegant this wind last ten fifteen twenty years and you drink any of them. Were hugging side of it. No i agree. I love it. This is my style. I like them young. I like him fruity a lot of a lot of intensity in a very interesting direction. I hadn't expected Fruity malicious you. Got you gotta watch when he goes to those chips to to south beach. Anyway i i have to make a correction i said that carmen deployment was. This is not the same vintage. Compromise is khashoggi. Point the altos in my tpo. It's lane also made a concentrated. The carmen point i was talking about as a common year. That's one hundred percent. Carmen year fr made by concentrated their high winds. If you wanna spend two hundred dollars on a carballo carmen year there you are but this wine is is not that expensive is not the thought over two hundred bucks or it's just over one hundred i believe or i think maybe saab hundred dollars now. Nah it's about a buck and a half. Yeah not sure you can. You can get some of the of sentences under one hundred but frankly is just stunning. The mouth what i really took away from this is the matthew you want one hundred and ten the mafia so good. It's just it. It's all the points. So we're raiding the don mature two thousand eighteen a well-deserved five cents. Good another end. We gave last year's five sub soon of the finish. Well that's all the time we have for today. Hope you enjoyed this episode. If you're listening to us on why dose of favor and tap the follow or subscribe button. The easiest way to listen to. Our show is to ask alexa. 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That harmeet crushed with his dirty feet. I wash my feet before. I get in the tub. I mean whatever. I've been drinking. Whatever your name is right now. So yeah you can thank me to more branch Whatever just go down the homeless room. But you can't to help with this guy. anyway. I wanna thank you. The winds are good. Thanks yeah camp. You can't beat a line so spell or six for sip sides and smokes. This made man bob. We thank you for joining us and remember. Life is too short to drink bad wine and we didn't drink any bad wind today. This has been a one ten hand production of sip suds and smoke a program devoted to the appreciation of some of the finer slices of lightening from the dude in the basement studios your host. The good old boys will see all the time.

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Steve Wojciechowski, Marquette

Courtside with Seth Greenberg

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Steve Wojciechowski, Marquette

"Slam jam Ben dick, what are you doing warm up for the game? I all the games I watch even when I can't get tickets. It helps bring stadium atmosphere to wherever on watching all the diaper. Daddy, doesn't again come on dick save it for the air. We've got a game and check out vivid seats. It's the easiest way to get all the tickets to the games you want to go to vivid seats for the windy. Boxer. They do. Courtside with Greenberg. Dockage the definitive college basketball podcast. Welcome to courtside Greenberg. Dockage our man, Chris Qatar the point guard is a little under the weather's little soft is very tough. I mean, he's somewhere lifting weights or something trying to get his voice ready for the weekend. But you're stuck with de square to myself, and these squared interesting weeks so far you were yesterday and champagne Illinois and Michigan state now is lost her third consecutive game. Just your take on that game in general may I say I'm going to praise as opposed to crush Michigan state. I'm gonna praise Illinois Illinois plays eighties basketball ball, you man in the passing lane on top of cutters on top of wings on top of post on top of top of the key denying everywhere. And Seth I'm telling you, I've never seen. Michigan state come apart over a basketball like they came apart in the first half. Particularly my main man cash. Che's Winston who by the way, I think you had a triple double points assists. I know he attended. Michigan state did what Michigan state does they fought back. But man. Can you can you civil noise defense in your practice? I mean is it that overwhelming? How far up the line? They are hard. They pressure the ball at having stopped you from reversible. You gotta make plays against those guys. Right. Tried to back up unit. Illinois did a great job of as well. Again. I go back to Jean Katie, Bob. Knight helps ide- fence you're to passes away. Get on ball side of the basket. You want pass away. Get man side of the basket when you're opposite the ball Illinois did it and then I hit a bunch of shots late. I mean, he made me look bad on one looked like he was going to dribble. It office foot. He pulled up right over caches Winston as I was saying this was going to end poorly and drilled the winner hit two in a row. Look. Michigan state is reeling. But sometimes Seth sometimes you gotta give a little credit to the other team. And I give all the credit in the world yesterday to how they came out and played how Illinois came out and played and how Illinois stuck with it when they got down and finish the game. I thought it was fantastic. I did. And I and I like the way that Brad was able to keep his team together because they they've struggled. He's trying to create an environment and toughness in their program. He's trying to instill a style of basketball that's different than anyone else's, and that's a hard style basketball to instill because you can't take you get exposed if you take a playoff in their defensive system. So the've really do. And you know, what they just kept bringing guys kid named Felice came in and played great. I mean, they got guy after guy offense they play at the elbow with Georgie. And I love Georgie 'cause world's greatest dancer pantley impressing. He's a national champion dancer and the dude the dude has more personality. We walked out of there after the game said man, I hope we get four years of George because he is a fantastic kit. A fantastic player. Look is. Oh, let's go. The other side, not happy. Nick ward. Got to sit for a few minutes to start got to sit there in the middle of it. No ball handler. I'm not saying Joshua Lankford too. Great ball handler. But he's a mature kid that can handle it a little bit. Nobody out there with cash Winston. And then instead of it being I don't know Jason Richardson, miles bridges, it was you know, Collins trying to make plays late, and it just wasn't the same. Like you think about their lineup right now. Obviously big is dude. Nice job pass them post to post and seal a dole jazz, but like right now. And I love the kid. I think he's really good player. Aaron Henry is not going to beat you to a spot. Eight make a play collar Aaron's is not going to do that. When you look at that a lot of Matt mcquade needs time to get his shot off. They have limitations won a bunch of games in a row, and it's not going to get an easier because they got Minnesota coming up. Minnesota is got a physical frontcourt. Amir Coffey got some length. And you know, it'll be interesting, by the way, you world's grades podcast today. We're gonna have Steve O J hausky as our guest of Marquette head coach they've got villain over coming up this weekend coming off a very tough. Tough loss to a a good Saint John's team led by schmolly ponds. Why call the Mariana Rivera the clouds of ask about a close may bigshots. Yeah, we're gonna talk a little, you know, Michigan state. We're gonna talk a little bit Illinois. We're gonna talk a little Tennessee. We're going to do some pick later on. I mean, we're to cover a lot of stuff. So right now on a scale of one to ten ten being you are panicking where are you with Michigan state? I'm not panicking. I if I were young coach might be panicking. But you know, Tom seen it all I. I'm a little I might. And I don't know. How time does is? I saw him do this during the game. Got after him. Then backed off of them. Then got disgusted. I just think you keep working on it. And you keep putting the guys like arns and mcquaid and Henry and these guys in positions where they got a repetition do it over and over and over again. So that maybe they can make plays. I it. But I'll say this. I'll tell you this say whatever you want. I know it's three game losing streak but said it is really hard to beat Michigan state. Like Brad Underwood came over to me. We did the post game. And then he just sat and hung out with me for a few minutes like five minutes after a while. The crowd was rushed talk ball with two. Yeah. Great, dude. He's like, man. They're just hard to hard to finish off. I mean, Indiana. Yeah. You know, one for nine from Nick ward, they didn't shoot free throws and even forty percent. Okay, fine. And it goes over ten they're just we could say what we want. We can put dirt on Michigan state, but damn or they hard to beat they hard. I agree. I just think that you know, that their margin of error now because of their lack of that that Lankford fifteen points a game hard, and he also had the ability if you got underneath them to just rip it go. And you know, he could elevate enough to to get a shot. Now another team, and I'm gonna give you a little stat. Right. I'm not a big stack guy. You know? I mean, I'm not a numbers guy. Can't remember numbers? I'm not good at it. You know, you're kind of cerebral guy that sure read. Stuff. But you don't last three final fours last three final fours. Starters twenty two seniors. Twenty one twenty one juniors. Ten ten sophomores and seven freshmen who does that favor. Well team bring up is Tennessee. This year's Villanova mature roles are defined complain the half court in transition hard to score against can throw it on the block and beat yet can shoot the three has a good leader in Jordan bone. He's Navistar not, you know, he's not Jalen Brunson. But I mean, are they that same elk some to certainly swagger think about think about their swagger love it. I love the fact that Penny Hardaway had to go after Barnes. I love the fact that everybody had to apologize to what was it Florida for the gator chomp? I love you don't win with a little bit of swag, man. I mean, look, we all wanna be choirboys. We all want to sit in the front row at shirts. We want to be a choirboy. Reading the bible cover to cover. What are you talking about? I'm in. I'm in forget where I'm at Leviticus. I'm gonna third book. What are you talking about? I'm rolling on the bible. But you're right. I don't but every six weeks, I wild here. I gotta do some stupid, and it doesn't work out. Well, but anyway, I digress. These guys have swagger Mander, they have an edge to them. And I don't know what the edge was for Villanova. I don't know what the edges for most teams that win. But I know they got it and everybody that's champion has it Seth. And if you don't think Tennessee's a final four team, then I don't know who the hell you think is a final four team because that team's got everything you want, including swag, baby. I'll tell you. What thing they don't have to have a freshman at scored a bucket furniture. That is interesting. What do you make of that? Recruiting bad class. They had these upper class hard to recruit when you have team returning because guys want immediate gratification. They don't want to sit and wait. And you know, you've got a group of guys that they developed. There was a time in the middle of last season. I was Knoxville and Barnes he was on his guys, we need a point need point go. We need a point guard in rob linear to his credit coach we have a point guard. We've just got to stay with him Jordan, bone and Jordan bone is deserve your Simpson. Trae Jones the Ashton Hagans you go around the country this year. There's a bunch of little point guards. That are really good leaders that have toughness that just play ball. Now. He doesn't have the running hook Xavi Simpson. Nobody does who has to run and cook Javy sips. No. But I mean, they, you know, I think he brings this whole thing together. And they they make enough shots. Got you know, Jordan, who's making shots the Monte Turner's back. They got you know, to make Kyle Alexander's gives them some shop lock. And you're right. I mean, I just think you know, we were so enamored with Duke. Then we get an avid with. Kim Virginia beat Duke, Ben, we get an amer- with you know, we're not talking about zag enough because you know, they're off the beaten path that Tennessee, they're not beating people. They are smacking people. I mean, they are you're in league play home road twenty points. Thank you very much kind of like another team in that league right now that all of a sudden got their mo- Joe that we saw them in a summer. They and again, I go back to coaching hardest thing coaching when expectation does are not met. And after the do came the obituary for Kentucky was a tad bit. Premature addition by subtraction. They lose quite a green and they get better. Roles are defined EJ. Montgomery eleven points last night, thirteen rebounds, five rebounds. I've always said he's their x factor. SEC Kentucky Tennessee is that it's down to I think. So and I did Kentucky last week and thing I love the body set that loved it. And I've been raving about it all we eight. Yeah. Middle of the game their role. They're not rolling. They're not playing. Well, they're playing okay. But they're missing shots and a couple of defensive lapses. I think they're down ten or twelve and at a time out PJ Washington does not let his teammates go to the bench. He rips them new one right there on the court and the interesting thing about that set. And you know, this very well. It's one thing to be a leader. But you've gotta have some followers and got up some listeners with you. And there was no smirking. There was not man. There was no get out of here. It was nothing, but respect and it changed the game. It did. And I loved that. Because that is what you want out of any team. And it's so rare that you get a player coach team. And you thinking about Kentucky where all of these guys ought to be into themselves. PJ washington. Was not having it. And it was the most impressive thing. I've seen this year in college basketball him rip and his team but his teammates. Also accepting listening reacting positively to it was great great. And you know, it's time to happen. This year Hagans got after Calvin Johnson couple of weeks ago, and they hold each other accountable, and it could be a different guy on different day. And there that shows you even though the young they do have some upperclassmen, I think boy, Nick Richards plan better, but EJ Montgomery's playing really well. But this is a team that you know, maybe because they all share the same journey. Cal coaches, really, really hard. And he challenges them to coach each other and challenge each other. And he has no problem with them getting after each other like you'll pick some people would be worried about the perception. Or did you see PJ Washington? He dropped the f bomb challenge in, you know. No, that's who we are. This is how we roll we all listen, and we respected and we move on. And and that's why they're good. I'll tell you team. It's not moving on to. Kansas the field to step forward. Just. The field. I mean, you've got to win your home. Rams Kansas state did that it's more just and like people I joke about it now. But like this is just not a very good Kansas team. They'd have known throw into the ball in the block their their guard. Play is spotty at best. You can't rely on the journal Vic. You know, those young guards are are going to be inconsistent. Lawson's asked to do it ton. They at times look really good defensively. Played a bunch of own yesterday, which I thought was a really good coach move because Kansas state really struggled shooting. But I think they might have I wouldn't say stay too long. I mean, just can't say it's finally started to get a little dribble penetration. But Kansas just does not look like, I don't know if it's gonna be Iowa State on three Kansas state. I mean fighting, you know, Scott, drew, six two or whatever they are seven to. I mean, they just don't look that good the don't, but they have a stretch right here where they can get a little healthy. They got you know, a bad Oklahoma state team right at home. I wanted to like the horned frogs when I saw him in person more than I do and in West Virginia comes in and that all sets up a meeting at Texas tax. So and then a rematch with Kansas state. So I'm sitting here thinking to myself. All right. I agree with you. This is this. This may be the least cans. Sus team that I've seen in how ever long you wanna go back. But as you well know league play gives and takes right? I mean Li play gives you wear. Yeah. And now, you know, what you got three games from the ninth to the sixteenth. And then you got a week off before you play Texas Tech's. Oh, Seth my warranty. You careful when you go on national television. And a spouse how the field is going to come back because if Kansas wins, those three games what's going to happen to some other teams. They're going to lose. Yeah. I mean, I was state's probably I draw. Stor. I think they're Ross kevlar that he was really eight changes. It gives them a little pop coming off those ball screens. I think that I think that you know, he gives them some shop locking. He's healthier Winnington has been much better. He's you know, and I give Steve Prohm credit because when I was at Murray state doing those games Steve Coleman, we started talking about his team a little bit. And I asked him. I said Winston what are you going to do? You know, he's come back. He's kind of he's not fitting in these young guys have stepped up. He goes coach came back. He's my guy. I got I it's not him. It's on me. I gotta figure out a way to get him to understand his role changed a little bit. Because he we have more good players. But I still wanted to remain aggressive in an and attack. And I give Steve lot of credit 'cause right now two kids playing really well. So the field the field, but again Kansas is only one game out. I know I know I know we over over react to those laws. React to those losses. I don't get through happy than the haters won't. Call me a hater. It's gonna be an interesting week with you know, two big twelve obviously the big fencing. Can I ask you a question to be anything? I get this all the time. Let me ask you. Why is air Zona so bad jeeter's been? But why are they so bad? Zone is bad because they lost our whole recruiting class in there under an investigation. But that who just the investigation doesn't impact on the court. No impacted recruiting. Yeah. You know what? I mean. Sorry, it's boom. They're they're not good. Washington's the best team in the league right now. They're undefeated in league. Yeah. They've got some classmen zones hard to play against it's like a junior. John James Dean, you know, here in Washington. They've got good players. They got really good players. Are they good enough to where all of a sudden elite eight I don't think they're that good because every really good teams they played against they lost. Now, they played Zeiger right to the bitter end zone is an equaliser in tournament because in the second game tournament. I always feel like at zone if played well in thirty six hours, it's hard to prepare for this. You're not you know, you have to do some different things you might do just for two three zone. But they're good. I mean, Jalen rose good. How do we get to this spot? How do we get to me? I think that's the big. You talked about world class university. Yes. I mean, the conference of champions. Yes. That's the greatest Gord I've ever seen in my whole life. And it is amazing that you could have a conglomeration Oregon loses Brown early bogus irt. So you figure that out Oregon state's just kind of hanging in their own states. Got good players island. Cheetahs really good Lugan story has kind of leveled off a little bit because you can't shoot. But if you look at the depth, Stanford, bad UCLA, not good cow horrific, Washington state bad. They have no ways to play themselves in. So I look at states to quality wins. They gotta circus win. They got a Kansas win. So I mean, you know, they played one enough games to have a chance to get an art. There's not another team in that league that has an chancy large including in. I maybe Washington because they're gonna they're gonna win whatever eighteen and four. But they haven't eaten anyone in the field. They've won eleven in a row, you wanna say, okay. Major conference at puts you in right coach. I know don't don't go there. No. I was I was eleven and five in the ACC, Duke and Carolina, then get it. I know so I'm teaching to the wrong guy. But it's just you sit there, and you go I don't know like I watch zone. Arizona state last week. Whatever was Thursday. And I saw two teams that. I mean, you used to at least Arizona being a team that is. All right. Let me ask another question. The news came out. Maybe maybe it's true. Maybe I don't know. But all those guys had Pete them on them Arizona's being investigated based on the trials this summer. What what is your thought on that? I think that eventually those wiretaps come into play. I think eventually that the things that March labor reported longtime ago to some extent are going to become fact, and it's going to be a an upheaval in the west coast college basketball. That's my I mean, that's. No, I think other people are going to be brought into play. I think they're, you know, look, I mean guys have become states evidence. Who knows how many schools are on that wiretap? We we heard a smattering. And there was a good number. It was you know, there was eight to ten schools that were mentioned. Now, you have to improve that you have to prove some of the things that were said, but I mean, the conversations were real, and I'm just real. And I think it's gonna now the the end is near to this investigation. And now that these tapes are going to be part of the next set of. The Brandon dockings appeal and Merle codes appeal when those tapes start to come in and they start bringing putting people up on the stand. You can scream and yell all you want until you have to put your hand on that bible. And then you gotta choice you either gonna obviously invite yourself by falsifying line by by lying or you're going to set, you know, swallow it and say, you know, I lasted seven more months, or I made a year another five million out of this thing. But it's all caught up to me. That's just the way. It is interesting. You know, what tell me coming up? We're gonna have Steve would you house? He come join us. 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You know, obviously credit the Saint John's I mean they deserve to win. I didn't think our our group gave the effort that was worthy of winning. And for the most part this year. We've been a really connected high energy spirited resilient crew and thing John's took the fight us, plain and simple. And you know, I don't know if I'm gonna yeller screamer for lots for you know, I think you gotta tell the truth and Saint John's deserve to win the game. And we did not, and we have to learn from those things and and try to change it. You know, it's interesting you said that you were disappointing their Africa. Some you're coming off a John's got your early in season that same Johns, and you know, that becomes a little bit of a revenge game is in a bad match up game because they play all those guards and guys are out of position. Or is it just that sometimes lightbulb goes on and your guys just aren't where you'd like them to be. I think I think both can be true. You know, the number one, I think Saint John's is difficult match up not only for us. But but for most teams because of the way they face the floor. They're five man can be argued. He's their best three point shooter and their their guards can really post. So they put you in some difficult match ups on the defensive end, and then authencity they're still good off the dribble. Really good in isolation and Shamali ponds can take over gain as we saw last night. So you know, I wanna give credit to Saint John's by the same token. You know, you know, I think our group is is learning to handle the fact that we're going to get everybody's best shot, and that's not necessarily a situation. We've been in not the teams haven't wanted to beat us or but are a win against us means more this year. And sometimes the the team that you watch on film when you're in this position is not the team. You're gonna play. And you know, you can talk about it and reinforce it. But you know, at some point we gotta learn that lesson you I want to kind of get away from the game. And talk about something I noticed with your team that I think is really cool. I'm watching Marcus Howard, go off against Butler. And sometimes a guy has big nights and the teammate resents him, or there's you know, he's a pig and all that. And I thought I thought all your is really cool, these spree decor that your team has even though you've got a guy, I know Hauser's all that. But you got a guy who's really doing a coach. And I think that's a testament to you, and the culture that you've built I really do not think it's very cool. And I want to commend you and your team for that. No. I appreciate that. And certainly we've had a very selfless group. Be overwhelming majority of the time. I mean, this is been a great group to be around. I love the guys in our program. And it says says a lot about them as you mentioned codes that wouldn't you know, you got a guy who's going off that you know, there can be there can be resentment. You know, I've been on and seen teams and been around teams where that happens that hasn't happened with our group and markets has had a spectacular year and our guys support him our guys help him. And that's that's been one of our strengths throughout the course of the season. See when you when you look at your team, you say we can be really good. If we want. Well, we got a know there's a number of things that the very first thing that you always come back to his attitude. We have to be as connected and competitive as we've been for for the most part of the year. You know, I think we've been really competitive and we've been connected, even when things have necessarily look like they're going to go our way and games. We've we've been resilient. We gotta get back to being that hungry that Hungary group, and then, you know, obviously from a basketball standpoint, our defense has been significantly improved. That's gotta be that's gotta stay constant. And then on the offense of end is taking care of the ball and striking the right balance between inside and outside play. We try to give people inside, you know, from a coaching standpoint on this we call it, the world's greatest podcast, exactly. That may be understating. What do you do? Now. You lose a game. You know, you balance rest, and you balance tired and you balance, but you also gotta get better. And you also got to prove your point take us through what will happen today with Marquette next couple of days to get you ready as you move forward and play Villanova, right? Yeah. Thanks, reminding me. You know today actually is a mandated NTA day off. That's not how I choose for it to be. But you know, we we have to live by the rules that we have. But you know, tomorrow will will probably go twice, and it's not physical. It's mental and emotional. You know, because I think you're you're heading your heart needs to be in the right place before your execution can be there and understand why we we weren't as good as we've been and meet the meet those troops had on. And then we gotta get we gotta get onto Villanova. I mean, this you got to get onto the next play as as you guys know in conference play once you take a realistic and honest, look at where you're at you gotta you gotta move on and start preparing for obviously Villanova team in program that is you know, as good as it gets right now. You talked about the the meeting you're gonna have with them or a couple practices. You're gonna have with them tomorrow. How does your group? I mean, obviously, you're going to coach your guys hard because you have a real relationship with them. When you have people have to understand you can challenge and push your guys as hard as you want as long as they know, you genuinely care about them as people, and it will want to help them get somewhere. They can't get themselves. But you know, so how much of Saint John's will you cover tomorrow say early compared to kind of flip into page and moving ahead to right here to three or four things today. We've got a really focus on to get ready for Villanova. I mean, we can look at a review mirror. I because you really haven't had a chance to put your hands on your guys post Saint John's. Yes, we we will. And you know, again, you as as Dan mentioned, you you have to be cognizant of the time. But I think it's really important when you don't play to level that you feel like you're capable plan is to understand why and that can't be acceptable. And we're not going to accept it. And we're gonna try to change it. You know, you know, if we lose the game giving our best effort, then you shake the other guys hands. But if we don't control the things that we can control to the best of our -bility that we gotta look in the mirror and make no excuses once we're finished with that. We'll get onto Villanova and start studying them and preparing for them. So in the morning, we'll do some Saint John's feedback. We'll get onto villanovan the afternoon. We'll we'll lay some up and and start preparing, you know, you can tell for people listening out there. It's a mandate, man. The dated off day for the players, but they know mandated off date, or whatever the hell, you say it for the coaches. If when you when you look, and I assume one of your coaches already been talking about Villanova. Let's get into that just for a second. From a coach's perspective. What are you guys seen in Villanova? Again, Jay's done incredible job and eat, and they have such a strong culture. And I you know, I think really since the Penn game. And you know after games what we do we watch the game. We just played. And then we start on the next team preparing for and Nelson as the scout. So he walked through, you know, indepth, you know, who've own ov- is, and they are who we think they are their teen. That's not going to beat themselves. There are team that's gonna compete and play for one another on each possession. And they're lead by two it elite seniors in Phil booth and Eric Paschal. I mean, those two kids have been absolutely phenomenal. And you know, I don't I can't speak for Jay. But from the outside looking in they give you the type of senior leadership you need to have a special season. And also have a special season coming off a lot of transition in that program says a lot about those two kids and their program in general is it there. Toughness. They play with great spacing. And and they're hard to score against the shoot fifty percent of shots from the three. And you know, they is kind of excellence in supply of some of the things they do. But they just a lot tougher mentally emotionally physically for forty minutes. Then like people just realized when you when you just casually watch him, I think without question. I mean, I think they're compass togetherness there too great stress. I mean, and I'm saying that and they have great players. But you know, who they are collectively is is so impressive in it speaks to their culture. You know, I think one of the cool things in watching them, and you try to learn from like, they don't beat themselves. And that sounds simple. But that's a boy, that's that's a hard thing in a hard habit to to build in a program. And you know, that's what makes them so good when they lost a firm, and they lost a pen you guys, Dan. And I know better than you stay, but I like getting your team back after having playing that way and not playing at the level of your expectation and not being the team you envision him to play. That's a hard thing to do to keep your team moving forward. I mean that that that's a gift. Don't you think? Yeah. Without question. I mean, I think you know, the ability to learn from adversity and and use that to make you better, which they certainly. Have done is impressive. I think also not enough with you know, it's a long so you can get better over the course of the season. So you know, they're there they were trying to figure it out early in the year. Well, they gotta figure it out now, and you know, certainly going to be a tough challenge for us coats. Talk about you, you guys for just a second went nineteen and four we always ask coaches at are kind of on the bubble. The talk about the NCAA tournament will in your case. You know, your your two games out of the chance to be one game out with a win on Saturday chance when you're twenty do you does it coach in your position talk about seeding? Do you talk about championship? Or are you just hey, we gotta get better. And we got move on the next game. Our focus, you know, since the very beginning is, you know, we is getting better and improvement. And you know, we haven't tried to get outside of the two hundred feet in front of us and focused on what we need to do to be our very best today and how we can get better. And we gotta maintain that pocus because again momentum is fragile. And so I think sometimes if you get to look into far ahead, then you're not focused on the most important thing in the thing. You can impact the most which is today. That's so it might not so good. It's so good because I with with social media and all the static around your program. Getting your guys to stay in the present and block out all the other stuff. How is it coaching to two brothers? I mean, I had a chance to have Joey with being in Italy. He was hurt. But I mean those kids just seem like unbelievably good teammates. And I I know how you always. I mean, how how how much fun is that for those two kids and for your team? Well, I think it's awesome person for most for for Jillian Sam to be able to play together. I mean, they're you know as close as as you can be in the both winners. I mean, they were big or raised right? They played a game the right way, they're winners. And you know, you know, I think Sam obviously had a terrific career here. I think at times he's under appreciated nationally for how good a college player. He is. But he's he's one of the best kids I've ever been around. And Joe he's got a high level of potential, and you know, we're asking a lot of them is a freshman, and he's delivered for the most part, and he's a winter two and a great kid. So I love coaching both those guys and I'm fortunate to be their coach. Hey, coach last thing. We'll let you go. You look around the landscape of college basketball. We always talk about all of us. Hey, you know, back in the day. But it's changed. I mean, there's a lot more dribble. There's a lot more shooting a lot more spread thinking from when you came into Duke. And how offense was run and two now how offense was run. You have any thoughts on that the differences? Well, yeah. Number one. I couldn't play in today's game. No you could play in today's game. But what the what the way the rules are and freedom of movement on defense and couldn't play today's game. You're right. You'd have been out with the arm bar and the handshake you'd have been done. I couldn't coach today's day we've quicker that we used to one stat per forty minutes about it. But you know, again when I when I played the game was more motion. You know? So it was more off ball screening and cutting, and and and those types of things and today, it's you know, there's just you see a million ball screens, you know in each and every game. And it's a very difficult thing to decide how to guard especially when you're playing teams that have difficult matchups. But, you know, get you know, again, I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of, you know, our time was better. It's just different. And you know, I'm not sure the game's going back at any point to to the way it was with with motion and movement. You know, I think the ball screen is is here to stay. Did you guys ball screen? We never ball screened it Indiana, and my seventeen years sixteen years, did you guys ball screen and do back in the day? I played not not too much. We did a little bit for trading. But that's not. I mean me coming off a ball screen wasn't gonna put any defense in a pickle too. So you know, we did for we did portrayed you. And but not not not as much as as it is now, and that really changed when j will got to the program, and you just put boozer Vati a and and Williams in the middle of the floor and ran a role in place and something good was going to come from it. So but the game is is changed. And I think it will continue to to to stay similar to what we see now. Great stuff Manpreet coach. Thank you so much, man. World's greatest podcast world's greatest podcast, you go. There you go south your guy won't Joe Joe. That's good. I remember when he rolled into five star basketball camp in Pittsburgh, coach mollis rolled them in there. Can I tell you story? Please. Can I stop you? If you want because this is a good story. Here's the deal. I get to five star. Whoa. There's a player Howard. Garfield grabs me puts me on his golf carts players. Perfect for Bobby Knight. I go watch him for two minutes said I can't bring that guy back Indiana. I can't do it. I should've brought that guy back. That was a total like we recruit them. I don't know if he would have come. But damn he Garth brought me sat me at the fricken. You got on the golf cart. As our other time. I was on a golf cart was when I was a player there had to leave early to have knee surgery. And he told me I was too much of a blank would never play it, Indiana. But I'm gonna come back. He was right on part of that. Yeah. He was. He was. Nice. Don't die on here. You can't pass comeback. Few die on the world's greatest podcast. It will probably be listened to more than any other time. So feel free good for numbers. Slam jam. Maybe what do you do warming up for the game? Like, we'll all the games. I want people when I can't get tickets. It helps bring stadium atmosphere to ever watch. It. Dosen again, come on Vick. Save it for the air. We've got a game and check out vivid seats. It's the easiest way to get all the tickets to the games, you want to go to vivid seats for the women baby. These squared Yoda. It's time for our favorite time of the year. Pick them pick them because you are to king of pick him. In fact, you you pick something every single day to help people make money. It's most amazing thing in the world. But Gabe gifts and I pick this weekend. I first game coming up on Saturday number nineteen Wisconsin at number seven Michigan at noon who you got, Dan. Oh, man, Michigan. I'm gonna take him at home. But I like me some Wisconsin. They're back playing like, Wisconsin. But I did the first game. Michigan. Got stuck could make shot. Iggy. Bras day is could not he he names crash in score. But I'd look for revenge. I think Michigan not playing great, by the way. Neither is Michigan state, obviously. But I'm gonna take Michigan only because it's at home said Greenberg. Yeah, I've got Michigan at home. And I can't Michigan is one of the one teams that can play half one on one and not have to dig down and scrape and helping run those guys off the three point line a little bit. And you know, they shot Michigan shocked about pretty well yesterday. Zeh cassava shot it really well pool. Made some shots. I do worry about Michigan's inability to really show, any consistency. And what they're doing offensively. But at home this is a game got a win. You can't lose home games. All right next. One number fourteen Villanova at number ten Marquette at two thirty on Saturday. So who you got this is out game right here. This is an Ouch got Marquette coming off that loss where they just weren't really sink, the first African Saint John's, and then you got Villanova that just villanovan type things. I mean, you've got two guys who basically squirrel points booth, and PASCAL Glaspie's has been very very good. But I looked this as a I wouldn't say desperate by that. This is a red letter game for market this game of Marquette's going to be a series team that can win games in the tournament at home. They've got to beat Villanova. And I like Marquette, I think they've got greater debt. I think that we hear about Howard. But the houses are really really good John's much-improved defensively, I'm gonna go with Marquette. I have people that actually come up to me at games in the like are pick segment. A few of them told me they bet on our pick segment. So I'm gonna take this a little more seriously than what I might have otherwise because I want to lose anybody money, but I don't know line or anything like that. But I'm gonna take Villanova. Seth in. It's it's the anti what I just said about the Michigan Wisconsin game. You wanna take you wanna take Marquette at home this time of year playing for title plan down the stretch. You gotta win your home games. But man, Seth I watched Villanova. We could so ago come into Hinkle, and he looks so good every time. I watch him play Sath. You said a Glaspie with thirty the other night. I maybe that's another weapon to go along with the two guys that are rolling. I just sit and think I until further notice I'm starting to feel like Villanova is the patriots just can't pick your house them right now says Jay Wright is definitely to go. He is. I mean, he is happening. How do you? How do how do you pick against Villanova? I'm not saying they're going to win out and all that kind of stuff and and win another national championship. But made is it hard to pick against Villanova right now in in my little ridiculous world, and they're so fundamentally there do like they've. Played him. This is a team that lost a firm in this team that lost to Penn. But you're right. I mean, not that you talk about upperclassmen like those upperclassmen they've basically embraced the pressure of impasse cows plan himself into an MBA draft position. What's Espy doing? I'm not not NBA. But I mean now, it's amazing. Yeah. What he's done is is incredible. And I was in J rights office when they decided to offer com. Glaspie in some ways, it was a little bit of a favor to buddy Gardner, the old high school coach a cardinal hair. And to say, look this guy. He's never going to hurt you. He knows how to play he's tough. You know, he he gets what you want from him. This dude is really good. He might he's going to be packing point gorge. You know what I mean by that? I have Kim Reggie Kohn a from his Florida by the time. He graduated recruited to point guard every class after he came three years in a row. So I'll meet with them senior for breakfast one day senior, he goes coach you understand I sent three packing, and what are you talking about? Reggie goes. He goes every year you've. We're gonna point guard every year, I kicked his every year they transferred. That's awesome net. Great great. What he's going to do. You're right. That's what he's gonna do pack and point guards, packing them up said, that's awesome. All right next, one number sixteen Louisville at number twenty two Florida state at four pm on ESPN two Saturday. Then he got I'm gonna take Florida state. And I'm not sure why I think one of the great jobs this year has been done by Chris Mack restructuring his his his roster bringing in some fifth year guys. They've played great little slip against North Carolina. But you know, I'm watching I think Florida state place too many guys, but I'm not a coach, so I'll defer to Leonard. But I think when Florida state gets in passing lanes there dynamite. And I'm gonna take Florida state again at home not going to be easy should be down the stretch should be grunted out game. But I I've seen Florida state in person if they don't guard on the wings, and I don't like Florida state. But when they got on the wings. I love Florida state. Yeah. I've got Florida say cofer back, which is good. I mean, Cubbon galley has eighteen off the bench. I mean, you just don't know who's going to beat each and every night, you know, for for Florida state. At home coming off a good win against Syracuse painting. Syracuse on the road was I thought was huge step forward showed the poise to attack the zone. I've got Florida state last one the big one number two Duke number three Virginia at six pm on ESPN Saturday Seth you're there for game day who you got. Yeah. I mean, this is interesting. I've watched this game back about three times shows you where my life come on. It's really ridiculous and Virginia was like unlike Virginia, I mean, look deuce shoot a high percentage because they put it in those two guys hands in the middle of the floor. They drove it, and they got fouled or they scored just what they do. But they were like like you thought they were really shrink to court that you've thought they'd really make them shoe jump shots. They didn't do that. There was no trade Jones. How much is trade? Jones impact have in terms of his pressure pushing Virginia app because Virginia got good shots. Jinja's created matchup problems by creating a switch, and then basically, whomever they wanted to get matched up with balden got the ball of that guy in a switch. And then he drove him m net was a two point game. My gut feeling is dukes going to win this game. I thought they look by look by BC a little bit the other day. But I think that they are so good defensively with. Trey Jones on the floor and Kyle guys been struggling in Virginia. Looks tired to me. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Duke to when I look I look at Duke Energy, I seen through Seattle see want to I see toughness. It's not like when they had you Jabbar Parker when I thought he was a sieve, and they were gonna lose which they did. I'd love this Duke team. I love their energy. They seem like connected group. And I look I mean, we're contractually obligated to talk about Zayn Williamson every single five minutes, and he's earned it. I mean, he's really has last time. What was it fifty seven points between the two kids to the seventy? Yeah. And and I don't know that they'll do that again. But I'm not sure they're going to have to I wonder tied Jerome healthy. No. Yeah. We'll see. I like Duke. I think Duke is a let me put to you this way Seth as the Commissioner of rushing the court. I'm gonna say this Virginia Beach, Duke. I'm rushing a court. I don't care what the records are. I'm rushing. I'm on the court. I'm taking selfie. How I don't know. I mean Virginia won the ACC tournament keep in there. I know it's controversial. But that's not that's not uncommon for you. So here's my thing is you've been a modernisation of Duke thing Duke is likable right now Duke is is all over social media Duca. You know, you see players interviewing players they've created this image. Whether it's with, you know, the show everything earned or or and everything whatever it is. But you know, ESPN plus can ever plug ESPN plus enough, but they have this been modernization of them. And it sorta Ziya Williamson and they they do play with great enthusiasm. Having said that I don't think they're gonna win national championship. 'cause I think. Shooting and free throw shooting. Eventually you're gonna catch up with them and their inability to execute and a half court. But I I've got I've got in this game. Yeah. So what if you're listening to this podcast world's greatest podcast opposite? Chris Carter a little bit. Under the weather wherever you download your podcasts. Please download us on apple podcasts or ESPN casts or wherever you do rate because it's absolutely phenomenal. I don't even I can even help you rate us if you'd like, and I'd like to thank our sponsors from vivid seats, great to have them on board. He need to a great event. 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Answering the Objections Against Definite Atonement (Arminian Verse Exposition) | Theology Answers Episode 9

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Answering the Objections Against Definite Atonement (Arminian Verse Exposition) | Theology Answers Episode 9

"What is that evidence of true, spirituality? What is legalism? Why is it dangerous? Why is the bible necessary for salvage that makes Christianity the truth and the way against all other religions is the church really a place, or is it a people does it mean to be filled with the spirit. How can we know what translation of the bible is actually correct does. God want me to be had John three sixteen really such wrong. With the word of faith. Am I able to ask God for immense? Is there sufficient knowledge for salvation in the bible, maybe you've had questions similar to these? Or maybe you have a question that needs to be answered your wait is now over the weekly podcast of the answers can be your guy to answering questions about scripture. The ollery church history. Contextual criticism. Join us as we peel through the pages of richer and find the answers that you're looking for you can fight. Us online at the g answers dot com, and you can ask your questions there. We are a podcast as a part of the striving for eternity Christian podcast community. Join us there at striving for eternity dot org. Good day everyone. This is James. And I am with Edward Dow core, and we are your host for the answers last week. We took a week off because we had a lot of pastoral and ministerial things to do. And we appreciate you all reaching out to us and probably won't have that happen again in the near future. But just in case, we thank you all for your prayers and look forward to seeing you interact with us in the near future. If you have a question you like dealt with on the podcast, please go to theology answers dot com and list your question there, if you have a question that is more personal nature and you'd like direct answer. You can also do it there. We're also a part of the Christian podcast community, and you can find out more about other podcast at Christian podcast community dot com. Last time. Time. We did a podcast on the issue or the two questions about the atonement. What is the atomic is it a definite atonement, and we answered two specific questions. Generally, the first one was what's the atonement real did actually do something? Or was it hypothetical? The other question we answered was did Jesus die or a tone for all men or just for some men as we would call the elect and in that conversation, we decided that it would be very beneficial for you all for us to take time and go through several passages that sent to refute the teaching that we have. That we teach about this particular doctrine that is unlimited. Excuse me. Limited atonement versus unlimited atonement, many people say, well, the Tolman is available for all people and Jesus Dodd for every man, Jesus dot apathetically. But last podcast, we showed very clearly contextual. That's not true that the bible teaches that means that has a doctrine of a limited atonement, our particular redemption that Jesus actually physically died judicially and literally for a select people and that he accomplished the Justice and righteousness of God in his death for the forgiveness of sans. The expiation of sins own those people so that therefore it is done, and we won't to this week talk about two sets of passages. And where most people come to the table said. Well, what about the the bible verses that say, well, God loves the whole world, doesn't it mainly loves the whole world. Or what what does it mean when he says these? Propitious for the whole world. And the other one is where we have a lot of something Illo would say, well, you know, there's a Greek word poss three letter word poss, which means all and all means all all the time. And so we're going to cover those two sections of versus what we call the world passages and the all passages. So that's sort of what we're going to be doing today. And thankfully, I've got someone who's a little bit more versed and the verses in the context of the grammar. So we have to dig in and look at some of the Greek we're going to do that as well. So for those of you who listen to this podcast, you might want to take notes. All right, brother Edward. What do you had to say about this today? Yeah. It's good stuff. Because stuff is interesting when you were talking about the the pass. All I recall, Ergen Kanner. And he was speaking. I don't recall where he was speaking. But he said there's one word that refutes Calvinism, and that's the word pass. And then he went anyone on and on the try to explain why it refutes Calvinism, and and the idea of definitely in so and so forth. But of course, he was you know. It was it was just poorly presented in fact, there's there's I think there's millions out there who make much better arguments than Ergen Kanter anyways. I also before we get into these passages that are most, and you know, there's many passages. But these I like to deal we like to deal with are the the ones that are used most the ones that you will encounter. Holding to the doctors of grace the ones who you'll in what you'll encounter more frequently. And I we have to say I would say I'd like set at the the onset that faith. The term faith is never in scripture grammatically speaking, it's never said to be the cause of justification never the cause of justification. It's always the very instrument that God uses the justify. That's clearly stated in passages like Romans five one patients to wait second Timothy one nine it's just never grammatically denoted as as the actual cause. But rather the actual instrument or faith is the precondition justification. And I think we should also mention that the nature of this discussion really is on God's sovereignty. Yes. It really is how sovereign God. He won eleven says tha pan. Nta all things God is working out or literally orchestrating after the council of his own will. And I think that should be our starting point that all things panta all things God is working out. Or literally energizing enter Guntalk us after the council the Belay is purpose of his own will. And that's good news for us as Christians. So that should be our starting point the biblical presentation of the sovereignty of God. Now, you mentioned some passages the world passages and the all passages and really these are the ones they use. And what's what's interesting, though? But the very typical is that when you're dealing with the doctrines of grace and definite atonement, there's never a positive presentation to the passages that you provide that Exegen present the sovereignty of. God any election. It's always versus that oppose the other verses, and we know that scripture does not oppose other scriptures. You you can't treat God's where like that. So I think we should discuss I the world passages. John one twenty nine behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. John three sixteen who doesn't know that one God's love the world that who so ever believe him believes in him should not perish, but have ever lasting life. That was from the KGB. And then I John too. He's he himself is a propitious for since not only ours, but for the whole world, and then we should deal with the all passages, which we have to for the sake of time. And again, there's many more but first himse two four God desires Allman to be saved and second Peter three nine not wishing any parish. And you know, I think. The when we look at this issue, the opposing arguments always revolve around these passages. Do they not the all in world passages? And you know, so why don't we just dive in those Fasces, and and explore them, and and get some actual biblical clarity on them. Sounds good. Let's do it. So I one is John one twenty nine and this is where John the Baptist after he was baptizing across the river. Jordan says the next day. He saw Jesus coming toward him and said behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. So this is what it says and what beautiful beautiful picture and. Yes, people love to take that very sentence and won't to say, this means that Jesus takes away the sin of every person in the entire world. If we think about that for a second. If that's true, then who is left to be judged by the father because we see the word reconciliation. We're gonna use know we're gonna look at the word for Pishin in the next few minutes. We talk about substitution area that vicarious atonement. We hear the words. Ransom. When these aspects of the atonement are clearly taught in scripture, then of Jesus what paid for the sense of all the world. He's he paid for them. Then we have to say that Jesus ransom for all centers. He reconciled for all centers. He propitiate for all centers. He substituted for all centers. And so on. So that is something that if if if these verses mean that in contradiction to a limited and effectual atonement, then we have to say it also then means those things so we can't we can't come from the position. Of just generally saying that that he died for the way the Senate the world. What does it mean to take away the center of the world? That's what it means to officiate to satisfy the judgment of God to expatiates. I mean, he he satisfied sin. So we'll go from that point of view. That's a good point. And I think before we go to the world passages. What many many ans are to me? Unfamiliar. With is how the word cosmos us muscle world is utilized with the word on how its utilized in the New Testament annual testament, of course, in the Satyajit. But with the New Testament, first of all I counted about eight different meanings, clearly linguistically defined various meanings of cosmos, for example, and it's important because every time the meetings would see world the word world 'cause Maas the immediately attached a universal world. Do they not as we'll see what John seen all these things? It must mean every single person. However. That's probably the one of the most infrequent meanings in the New Testament because in Romans three nineteen the word can mean every single person it also can mean unsaved humanity. Like, what does it say, John? I think fifteen eighteen the world hates you. You know, they hated me. We know the authored author eight them, you know, so it can mean all of the unworthy unsafe people. John one ten the world didn't know him while obviously camping every single person because John Neum the author. It can also mean gentiles in contrast from Jews like eleven twelve Romans. It can mean the world system would John say in John twelve thirty one. Now, this is the judgment of the world right at the prince of this world will be cast out. And also in I on to fifteen it could mean the whole universe as a whole act seventeen. It can mean the earth, you know, in John thirteen one bears out, you know, it could mean just earth or the known world not everyone in inclusively Romans. Eight your faith is being reported around the world. So here's the point only context dictates the meaning of world. And as you rightly said when we come to John one twenty nine we gotta look at this term IRO takes away the participle there takes away Eireann take taking away literally the sins of the world, and how complete is his taking away the sins of the world. Because if you're going to say, well, he did it completely. What's the big flaw there congr- as I was telling them any congratulations. You're you are in versus if he really took away the sense of the world because that's what the word IRO and here, the the president of the particles us, I wrote taking away the sense of the world and note, just like as we'll see in first onto it's not a future tense. It's a present active tense. He doesn't make men sable. But he takes away the sins of the world, and we would see the world here as the world. The world of those in which the father gave to the sun the world of the elect the world of believers, and we'll see the same. Meaning I to as we move on this. That's a good point. That's a good point, brother. And what's what's really weird you when you started out today? And you first started talking you talked about the idea or the point that we were really discussing the sovereignty of God. And this is a very an say this every show we've done I've always said this I'll go back, and listen, I'm always say this because it seems to be that the questions that we get in the context that we're looking to talk about most of the time, they're polarizing issues, and some people will argue and say, well, this is an academic issue to which I respond the sovereignty of God and his effectual salvation for his people and the act and the absolute effectual -ality the efficacy of the death. The burial the resurrection of Jesus Christ is not an academic issue. It is centered on and bound to the gospel of grace. So that if we are not careful. Oil. We can have a lot of knowledgeable people who are lost. Because they think they know who got is. But they've they reject the very revelation of God who got is. And what God has done on their behalf or not even there by but on his behalf for his sake and for his glory to save his people because that's firm and the scripture. So this is not an issue that should be taken lightly. We're not just using slash Calvin est. Versus slash Armenian. If word. Theologies were not pitting these two against each other. We're standing on this cliff here, and we're looking out into the world. And we're saying the sovereignty of God is state here. It is about God being sovereign as God. Came the high one verses man being sovereign with God. And so that's that's why it's important. So when we look at John one twenty nine it all boils down, I'm doing strata context this Wednesday, Lord, willing, and that's one of the things I'm gonna talk about using John one is learning the context of what scripture teaches so that we can have an understanding of what it means. But when we look at this takes away the scent of the world, I mean, what are we supposed to all of those answers that you had you know, you had those different things about what the world is the unsavory that every particular person is that the earth is the universe is at the world system is at the gentiles versus the Jews. So what how do we how do we discern this, brother? What are we supposed to say to the new Christian or the I hate the word, but it's the exact word this the ignorant? Who's never contemplated these things because they've always had the vitamin box bible verse vibe overs lists. They've always got their verses. But they've never read the context of scripture. They don't read it. They just have their favorite passages. And in that they Eissa jetty determine what those passages mean for them rather than what God is revealed of himself. So how do we how do we determine that? Then what is the world here, brother? In insys us over half dozen times at least eight as I discovered we have to ask the question with what is the world in west John speaks speaks. Well, feel obviously number one. We know that the tournament was real an actual indefinite. Right. Not theoretical. So if the forgiveness of sins is literal, then it can't possibly mean. Because that would oppose just baseline the G. It can't mean that every single person has their since forgiven and don't give me the potential -ality argument because this is a a present tense here taking away the sins of the world. So if the world means if the taken away is literal than it can't possibly. Be teaching a universal Listrik kind of theology where everyone sin is taken away. There's nobody in hell hell is occupied. But rather how John uses it? We see that not only the atonement real and actual indefinite not theoretical or potential, but the world here, then would denote the believing ones. This is exactly John's argument in John six thirty seven without using the word world in John six thirty seven all the ones the father gives me. They Jesus says heck say future indicative, they will come. That's the world in which John has in his mind, right? As in I onto to we'll see Christ is the Halla's. He is proficient across work produce an actual removal of sin. Now, you can try to escape that. But then you have problems trying to somehow at least Lexa Clea and feel logically say that the forgiveness of. Sinn was not real an actual. It was potential where men are sable scripture, no way, shape or form teaches. This it teaches that the crossword was actual it was an actual removal and the of of the forgiveness of all the sins of the ones that the father gave to Christ. Yeah. And I think that would be contemptuously, right? Correct. In light of John's own theology. Correct. And will of a real atonement, and that's an important point. And that it'll take us. And if we go back to John one ten like you said earlier with the world there. We know that that doesn't mean every single person because John knew him. So we have to make a different she -ation of knowing that number one John's gospel is been said throughout history by rabbis that is the most Jewish of all the New Testament writings because John's gospel centers around. The Passover fees and the feast of the Jews so he continually presses this. And when you see the interaction that Jesus has with the people the especially the one one discourse, he has recorded in the gospel of John, we see it very much where Jesus is illustrating the shadow the types and shadows of Judaism as himself as the fulfillment of them. And so when you look at the very testimony of John's gospel, what is he doing the first eighteen verses of John one he's giving the outline for the totality of the entire gospel narrative. And so he's showing first and foremost that there is a darkness that man lives in but the light will the darkness will not overcome the light. So there's number one that we see that the work of God and salvation will not be overcome. So that means there is no such unbe leaf in the heart of man. That will overcome the light of the gospel of Christ that God will shine the light. And he does. So as he says versus through John the Baptist as a beginning who bears witness about the light that all there's a office. All my belief through him. He came to bear witness. But the true light which gets to everyone was coming into the world. So right here, we have to say, okay, all and everyone does not mean every particular person in the world what it means is those who are in the darkness, and the domain of darkness that will be snatched out of the domain of darkness and transferred. Ing given to the son. Like, you've already mentioned in John six and the the context then as right after we see the fair sees the Jews scrubs or whoever they are. I can't I don't have it in front of the I think the prisoner Levi's they come and they say who are you are you Alija? And what does he's he's I'm not the Christ. Are you the prophet? No. Who are you? He says he says, I am the voice of the one crying out of the winners. Make straight the way of the Lord as ASA. So why do you baptizing? Why do you think you have the authority to do what we are allowed to do? We are allowed. About Todd who do you think you are baptizing? And he says there's one that stands before us right now, I'm not even worthy to tie shoes. And the next day John the Baptist identifies the very one he spoke of in the presence of Jews when he says, here's the one who came who is the lack of gotta take away the sins. Now, what if he said of his people, what would the listeners John had said then? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is our messiah he's come to take away our sense. But when John the Baptist said of the world, do they gritted their teeth and clench their fist this man is going to exile ation too. Gentiles. What is wrong with you? So this totality here of the world. All that are going to the father who are of every nation every time and every tribe. So when we have that elimination by the Holy Spirit of the hearing of the word of God, we see that in the context there. And that is that is what it means in the world. And quite honestly, we can move on to John three sixteen if you won't brother that that's the same point. He's talking to the teacher of Israel. He's talking to the what affair Assey, and he uses Jewish scripture out of Deuteronomy and says as Moses lifted the serpent, so the cinema lifted up in nickname is still confused isn't he he's he's confused. So let's talk about John. Let's talk about John three sixteen for a minute. Okay. I think John three sixteen is probably the most popular passage, and it's the most misapplied and misinterpreted passenger and the most frequently quoted passage problem is most folks. Interpret scripture through tradition and not confirmation not ex-general confirmation. And traditionally we have king KGB reading just like the Lord's prayer. I mean at my church, we don't use the I mean, that's not the translation of the church the KGB. But I tell you virtually every church I've been to recite the Lord's prayer. It's always in King, James English. Because traditionally that's how we are grown to love it in jumpers senior the same thing we have for God. So loved the world that he gave his only begotten son non-real from the K JV that who so ever believe in him should not perish, but have ever lasting life. Now's a few problems here. And I find that it's twofold number one people come to the text with a presupposition of a universal toman. The Ardy come to the techs thinking that Jesus Tony work was for every single person. No one in particular, and they because of that they traditionally, quote, the cage av, which is a mistranslation of the adjective pass as meaning who so ever, right? Second flaw that I find along with the word for all pass a universal meaning is also imposed on the word world. Right. But there's a lot to say we'll try to really breathe this. But there's a lot to say on this passage in terms of context, which actually starts in versus fourteen and fifteen where you know, dealing with the snake that wilderness and numbers twenty one which Nicodemo would have been completely familiar with. Now, it doesn't really. It doesn't really add or subtract from the interpretation doesn't make a difference. Whether Jesus speaking these words, or the narrator, the narrator, we don't really know. Exactly. Nevertheless, the context starts in versus fourteen fifteen dealing with the snake in the wilderness in the particularities of the event are completely context. Really completely an context interrelated with John three fifteen and sixteen interesting. A couple of facts about the the the bronze serpent it was the only means of healing or deliverance for God's people. The only means that got provided and it relates to trust in the sun as the only means of salvation right number two, which is very interesting in versus fourteen fifteen of John three we read as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even Sova son of man be lifted up. So that whoever believes in him will have eternal life, which is almost an identical reading fifteen to. Two verse sixteen sixteen right? So so here's what we have. We do have the affirmation of God's redemptive love to everyone believing. And this is how he shows. This is the extent of his love by sending his son into the world couple points, the word world as already shown has various meanings of just looking in John twelve twenty nine says a crowd of people who stood by and hurt. It were saying that it had sundered and other for saying, I'm sorry. John twelve I think it's nineteen to that. So the Pharisees said to one another you see that you are not doing any good. Look the world has gone after him. Yes, now, it'd be served to say that every single person gone after has after Christ. Because even today, it's not true. So it's a misinterpretation and just a careless way to handle the word world. And it's it's always attached to a presupposition of autism or universalism. That's a huge reason to to to misrepresent it, but if you're going to stay if you're going to stay consistent. With your interpretation world John three sixteen then you're gonna have to carry that over diversity seventeen and eighteen which would again, teach universalism because says he wants to save the whole world in the phrase. This is important everyone believing is how it literally reads. Which is a mistranslation the KGB v of who so ever there's no who so ever in the Greek text the Greek phrase here is pass haw his to own literally all the bleeding ones or everyone believing. So to assert the view of a universal non atonement definite atonement. Would actually go against the the the actual Greek reading, and what's in support of that would be a KGB Tricia reading which is mistranslation, but the phrase in Greek teaches no such thing it's rather because it's a presents participle here, rather, it's a promise to return life to all the ones doing the action of the participle believing. That's who it's to all the ones doing the action of the verb. Everyone now believing has turned a life. Next. We have the word all pass hall. Pistone. All the bleeding ones or everyone believing. I there's no idea here than indicates a universal undefined invitation to salvation as many assume it just doesn't re-. It doesn't teach that not not ingredient dozen second. It's incorrect to translate the word all our pass as a quitting who so ever as an who. So ever will believe rather in the original all or everyone who is bleeding now. That's how that phrase that participle phrase reads, in fact, most modern translations, even the new King James, actually, correct. Give you a correct reading. Whoever believes or everyone who believes in the in the any tea or most liberal and Young's translation, everyone who is believing right? And two more points in this. The next word is pissed on that the word translated believes, which is actually a present tense participle believing and it's denoting the ongoing action of the Christian and John's literature. We find that present active participles or normally use and salvation contexts to denote the life of a true believer all over the place. There presents participles so grammatically the adjective pass all our every modifies the participle phrase hot pistol own the one believing right, right? So what we have is the one or every all all the ones who are doing the action of verb. Right. Right. And now since we exit this passage everyone now believing now let's go to verse seventeen for God did not send his son into the world to judge the world. But that the world might be safe through him. If you're going to. Say consistent as I just mentioned maintaining the notion of a of a universal world. Then you would have to accept the notion of universal salvation verse seventeen right? Right. Because it says he came to save the world, right? Sing tactically. This is a very important point. The sentence starts with the call the post positive. It's a conjunction four, right. Like in inverse Ecksteen four God solo the world which carries a. A force of explaining something right in order that. And it carries the meaning of of of truly therefore the fact is or and indeed something right? And it's this affirmation or disconcolate that John is actually communicating here. And you know, it's really interesting James there. I found a commentary. There's a commentary who actually John three sixteen made by the author where John himself provides an excellent commentary on sixteen in I John chapter four, and we we see these parallels like John sixteen for God solo the world, and I John four nine for. This is love that God was manifested in us and three sixteen he gave his only begotten son. And I run four nine God sent his only begotten son into the world. Now this last part whoever believes in him, she'll not perish, but heavy Turner life in first John four nine and ten so that we might live through him. But that he loved us and sent his son to be the propitious for our sins. Clearly showing the intention of John's of his teaching and John three sixteen so to recap it's everyone now believe him. It's a promise to the elect everyone now that believing who are doing the action of the participle Pistone everyone. That's doing that will have eternal life does not perish. And this is a son came to the world. He came to the world not to judge it that he's talking about the elect it has to be talked about the elect because he does judge the non elect. He does judge the unreal. That the world might be saved through him. So I think any other interpretation would be going outside the bounds of the exegesis in linguistics are the passage and the Armenian interpretation. John three sixteen is based on a traditional understanding, not an exit one, right? That's right. And what's really funny about that is I know our listeners going man, I'll never be able to get this out of it. Because I don't have the Greek chops to do it. You don't need the Greek jobs. You need to understand one thing. People that site this type of. Of anybody without you know, whoever whatever who so ever they use that term who so ever and they say so who so ever will cetera. That means anybody and everybody well who so ever is a an archaic middle English word that if we translate it directly into contemporary English, it means whoever and if we content if we if we put it in our current grammatical usage, it actually is who. Those who believe so whoever does not have any other. Meaning except those who believe who or ever ever ever is believing and whoever's believing has life through the finish work of Christ. Whoever is not believing is condemned already, and that's the that's the thing that we need to regular and beloved I don't I don't know why that's not warm for us who are being say I to me in just let let's stop the podcast unless just celebrate let's have a worship Tom of gratitude toward the Lord. Because of what he's done through the work of crisis summon without which we would all perish an our sins. We need to be more thankful for the salvation that God has granted. And so- sovereignly ex. You know, not just expressed but executed in such a way literally that it is certain verses trying to put God into the fairness of humanistic months it because it is not for us to judge. What God has revealed we either believe it those who are in Christ. And have the spirit the spirit are the words of life, this Jesus stitches in John six so the spirit is also the give life as he's already said in John three the spirit testifies to us that the word of Christ is true. So God is revealed herself this way, and you said it several times over eighty that people come from traditional point of view is funny though, that's the term and the actual. Way and names to which they're interpreting this because it is what they call themselves. The traditionalist. You know, nobody uses the name Armenian anymore in the Baptist circles because they're really not front. They are million in some sense because they don't believe in the in the believed that the gospel is opportunity they, but if we get down to it they've they've become the the double heretical theologians in that they've taken the sovereignty of gone off the table. But they also put the idea that Christ did something that could be received. But it did not have a fact because they all deny universalism, even though that's what they teach. And then they turned right back around and say, well, the reason that that's option that it must be an issue of us receiving. It is man is not depraved man is not utterly unable. And I know we're going to do that podcast. I don't know if it'd be next week or the week after we've got that on the on the books. What is what is total gravity? What does it? What does it? What does it do? How are we supposed to approach? And that's really where the traditionalist Mont set comes from. I have this God that I've been taught since the child who loves every single person in the world, without exception desires, every human being that has ever lived or ever will live to be saved, and he has not fulfilling his desire, and he's offered his son as an option, theoretically, if you will please who so ever will come complex. Oh, lord. Oh, and God is ringing his hands just that little tiny. And I know it maybe even rude to say, but just by that little tiny expression that I just did it paints a picture of a weak infantile. God without power. When the scripture says, I will do all that I desire the council of my will not be thwarted. I'll call bird to fly. I can cause a man to move the scripture even shows the prophets that God himself put in the hearts of kings. So that he would make them call. For a census. So that he could gather the people to city. So when we talk about sovereignty we're talking about a God that does as he pleases. And there is none that he answers to. But there is this people's will why why do we have so many arguments about this? Well, here's what I believe. Here's what the bible says that the natural man cannot discern spiritual things because he has not scourge Lee discerning. So that means that those who continue to fight for the right of self will and self sovereignty and fairness and opposed the clear contextual teaching of the gospel. That is given to us in the New Testament, they are unrig generate and therefore they cannot acknowledge the truth. Can't so, and that's any one of our matter of fact, our first podcast, we talked about exhaustive versus sufficient, knowledge or salvation we defined those two things, and we expressly delineated that sufficient knowledge is first and foremost by the work of the Holy Spirit whereby one believes what is clearly reveal and they don't have to have. They don't have to know the names of the labels illogically behind these things. But they will not reject them when they're correct according to scripture because they have the spirit of God. And that's that's difficult for us because we will everybody to be saved. But here's the rub. Do we really love people? If we're willing to let them sit in a resolve position of a false gospel versus teaching them the truth of the sovereignty of God and election salvation. So that only that's the only means to which God's saves has to teach the true gospel. But that's a whole another podcast there. But we've got about twenty five twenty three more minutes to go. So let's let's continue in that. We wanna do first onto. One point. I want to mention on back to John three sixteen. Just the first word in the Greek Texas who toes, and I I notice that people emphasize guide lead the world so much, but the the the the actual adversaries, very interesting it a more literal translation than so would be in this manner or in such a condition to this extent to express the actual result hints God's love is demonstrated in the giving of his son. So I think you know, that's where I think if one should wants to really discover the beautiful meaning of this passage consulta Greek text consultant in linear consult, the word meanings and Sonal so forth and see the literal reading of John three sixteen is to this extent. Indeed love the God the world that the sun the. The one and only he gave in order that everyone believing in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting life. That was the Greek syntactical rendering there. Okay. Let's go to my second. John. I'm sorry. I on to to I onto starts off which uses promising us when we do send. We have an advocate. We have the para Klay toss we have someone who who is called to be alongside of us. And that in and of itself is just a should be a comfort all Christians. I'm reading from the NS be and he himself. This verse two. Is the propitious for our sins and not for our sins only. But also for those the whole world now, it's the phrase of those for the whole world well athlete last time. I were doing this podcast. We were talking about some of the positive affirmations of definite atonement. And we were given some of the passages that so beautifully teach that the tone -ment, the propitious is a definite one. This is one of them. But what happens with the Armenians they focus on the last part of this verse not only but also not only ours. But also for those in the whole world, I as I mentioned last time the phrase here, the first phrase KYW outhouse Alaska's s teen, and he propitiate atoning sacrifice is, and I pointed out that the the verb. Here's in the PR. It's not a future tense crisis. Not potentially the atoning sacrifice. Right. He's not potentially. The the one who redeems avert Saraff. But he actually does it. He is estim-. So that's problematic for anyone who takes us. I in any other way because you have a present tense verb. But we went through the meaning of last month's atoning sacrifice. And with that means linguistically lexical last time, we were we were talking. So we, you know, we established at the last must the atoning sacrifice was real an actual, and it's present tense and not only cleansed us or forgave us our sins but removed the wrath so if it's the whole world, hey, let's all be universalist because the whole world's wrath is removed. But it's that phrase the whole world, there's an adjective here translated the whole right hole Haas. Right. The whole world. It reads holla to cost MO the whole. A world. That's what actually reads now, though, the adjective here can mean complete entire all whole just like all the words right in that we've been discussing their decided by context, right? And this word can mean all kinds of things parts of pieces. Parts of a whole stare says at some places it denotes the whole city opposed to other cities. Look, how us some of the places in scripture, Mark, one thirty three and the whole city gathered as Mark Ashley saying that every single person in the city gathered. No, he's not or how about John eleven. I know you quoted this before John eleven forty nine and fifty but one of them who was the high priest said to them that year said to them, you know, nothing nor do you take into account that is it is. For you that one man may die for die for the people and that the whole nation. Not perish literally says the whole all the nation. Now, we know this cannot mean every single person that he's talking about every single in the nation. You know? And it's the same word is in in I onto two and one more Romans one eight Paul says, I think God my God through Jesus Christ for all of you. Because your faith is being reported throughout Hollan Alah the whole world. Now cannot say this means every single person. So you see how the word whole is used throughout scripture. So what does John mean when he says not for our not for ours only use appreciation, but for those in the whole world. We can't mean that the propitious for every single person that would teach universalism. But how does he use? How is first person plural? Us in the in the tax when he says are. Not for ours. Only for the whole world and contrast. Well, sometimes these plural pronouns could be used in exclusive sense where the authors just speaking to his associates, right? Maybe co-authors or or those physically present distinct from his audience, then there's an inclusive meeting for plural pronouns to include both the author his associates and his audience, right and people outside of audience everyone. And then there's one more. There's there's the plural pronouns using a pistol every sense, which is very rare in the New Testament where where author would be saying, we're not you know, we are not amused. You know, meaning just me, but I'm using plural. That's very rare. And I'm not sure if I even give you an example. So since the Alaska's they prepare she -ation is definite in the present tense. We know John is speaking inclusively when he says not for ours. In other words, not only for him not only for his associates and his church, but he's repair. She -ation for many outside of his church the whole world, then men who were purchased by God purchase God with a son's blood men from every tribe tongue and every nation. The many just like John Jesus in Mark ten forty five. He didn't come to serve to give his life a ransom lutron anti pollen a ransom for the many and also Isaiah fifty three. So I think clearly in in second John or I onto to it's dealing with. Not just you guys. But even the Jews and gentiles outside of our church who are saved. You know, you brought up John eleven which is one of my favorite. You know? It's to pivoting point for Jesus when he proved his divinity and inexcusable way, undeniable way by bringing a man back from the dead who had been dead for four days. And of course, you mentioned versus forty nine and fifty of John eleven, but if if you read on verse fifty one was looking that as you read it he did not say this of his own accord. But being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation and not only but also to gather into one the children of God who were scattered abroad. Tell me that's not just about a parallel. I John too. Think about that. These thing, you know, he prophesied John says these things I write to you. And then John eleven fifty one he prophesied Jesus Christ the righteous and John too is Jesus in John eleven fifty one. He is a prohibition for he would die for our sends versus the nation. Not ours alone, not only for the nation. But also, but also the world the whole world versus the children of God who were scattered abroad. It's as if it's just, you know, an identical expression there, but the most important thing is it that undergirds I mean, I onto to as you so often to destroy the idea that the bible teaches limited atonement. But it doesn't it undergirds it in such a way because we're talking about the believing ones of the world. Are currently propitiate for by the person of Jesus and the finish work of Toma. They are it is finished. She's said it is finished. He didn't say were. There you go. Hope you take it. I didn't say, well, I'm working on this. It is actually. Is potential. No, it he is certain savior. He is a particular savior. He has finished the work of redemption. And what's amazing? He did not say this of his own accord, that means that he had no he was saying based on the fact that he did not want Israel to come under the oppression eating more from Rome. It's better we kill this one guy because they knew he was God. Because he raised a man from the dead. They knew he was the Christ. They knew he was messiah all right in their cognitive aunts. They knew it. All right. There's no way around that. But they could not stomach the fact that what they thought messiah would do and be was not who Jesus was and did. So instead of relinquishing who they were they love the glory that come from men rather than the glory that came from God who is Jesus Christ. And they said we have to put him to death and anyone who has information. Let us know. So that we might are. Arrest him. That's what they did. And so Jesus than what raises Lazarus with great splendour. So that he would be a red. Skirted? Let's see the staff brother got about try to tackle some of the all passages. Yes. You know, I think in let's give five minutes to each minister this one. And then we'll go to the hallmark of the millions as I say that because all seen on the on the on the on the wall second three nine I I to four starting with free. This is good and acceptable sign of God our savior, okay? So it's verse four God who desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of of the truth. Now, we're looking at all the we're like some all passages. We'll look at first Timothy here to four and then we'll look at second Peter three nine as what the word as with the term cosmos the world the term all carries various meanings as well again context context context. Ax twenty two remember an ice birth fourteen. He said what he said he said the God of our fathers has appointed. You speaking to Paul to know, his will and to see the righteous one and to hear the utterance from his mouth in verse fifteen of x twenty two for you will be a witness for him to hand toss anthropoids to all men. I quoted that in the Greek Tech's because as we'll see we see the same phrase in. I Timothy panta anthropoids all men of which you have seen and heard now, we know this doesn't mean all every single man because Paul was not a witness to every single, man. Right. And. So let's look at this defining context. I notice starting out and I'm looking at my time so won't go over notice verses one into in. I him Affi normally millions Christians Calvin do it too. I mean all. Aren't the only ones they take verse out of context, but we don't have to notice the various kinds of men in verses one into first Timothy chapter two first of all Paul says first of all then I urge. That entreaties and prayers petitions on thanksgiving listeners made Hooper pant on on behalf of all anthropoids on on behalf of all men for kings and Panton all who are in a thirty in order that they may lead tranquil and quiet lives. A quiet live in all godliness and dignity in verse three. This is a good acceptable. Good an acceptable inside of a God, our savior who desires Hannah's anthropologists, the same term as x twenty two fifteen all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth for there's one God and one mediator between God and anthropoid on and men Memphis. I'm saying these things parenthetically all in men that the man demand Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom Hooper pan tone for all the. Testimony given at the proper time for this. I was appointed as a preacher in the Postle until the truth. I'm not lying as a teacher of gentiles in faith and truth. And in verse eight therefore, I want men in every place lifting up holy hands without wrath or dissension. Now, the problem if Christ was a potential mediator here. Meaning between God admit, and it says all men as some millions of Sirte. He's potential meteor because it says he's a meter between men. You can't say it's all meant here. But it's just some in here, then it would follow that every time someone refuses to come to Christ Christ fells at his mediatory role. But yet the text does not say that it says he's the meter between God and men he's not the meteor between non elect he's not the meter between the unsaved, but only the state versus says Christ will give himself as a ransom for all. If a ransom was real. And not some kind of potential -ality ransom. Perhaps for all men. It would follow that. Every single person is now redeemed if the ransom was because it says men, you can't separate it. So that dismisses the Allman how Paul uses men because in the next verse in verse five you would have to say that's the same in as inverse four. Right. See what I'm saying? And and I don't think that many say he's a mediator for the regenerate. But here's what's very interesting, come to the knowledge of truth. The Gino we find in Greek the same exact phrase in second Timothy two twenty four and twenty five we read the Lord's bonds over should not be quarrelsome bit behind to all able to be take patient win wrong, and this list of twenty five with gentleness. Correcting those who are in opposition if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading and here's the phrase to the knowledge of truth. You have the same phrase this knowledge of truth to knowledge at same preposition, use as knowledge of truth as you have. And I to four where it was. Granted. And we have just a boatload of passages show that faith was granted particularly flippy one twenty nine. So in some this, the the the all men is the same men as verse five you can't separate it. And the all men are all kinds of men because he mentions different categories of people kings, and those who are the thirty and so on and so forth, right and uses just follow. How it uses all and men and you'll find it's all kinds of men. Those whom Christ is the mediator. That's right. Man, something interesting too about the context of this brother is that you know, when we read it, and I'm really big on reading the text reading the whole tax. Listen, listen to this. As I read it first of all, then I urge that supplication prayers intercessions and thanksgiving be made for all people for kings, and all who are in hop positions that we may lead a peaceful and quiet live godly dignified in every way. This is good. And it is pleasing in the sight of God, our savior who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth for there is one God. And there is one mediator between God. And man the man Jesus Christ who gave himself as a ransom for all. Which is the testimony given at the proper time for this. I was appointed a preacher and an apostle I'm telling the truth. I'm not lying a teacher of the gentiles, faith and truth. So right there when you hear it in context, you see the point that Paul is making is he urges us to pray for all types of people. Not just for the church, not just for the the the believing ones. And that we see that God, even desires those types of people to be saved. He calls out kings. Not just paupers. He calls out gentiles, not just Jews. And then Paul says he says for this reason, I was appointed a preacher what that Christ gave himself as a ransom for all. Which is the testimony given to the proper time for this reason. I was appointed a preacher an apostle a teacher, the gentiles fate truth. So he's saying they're textually. He wants the gentiles to hear that the gospel is for them also for all people not just for the Jews because he's talked. Kinds of people all kinds of people. So I think it's just one of those things that just common sense grammar gives you the answer when we're not reading it through endless. I grew up and the traditionalist mon- set I grew up in that. And as I saw it continue it never made sense to me as a solid scripture tall versus what was being taught and preach from the pulpits of America. But anyway, we could go on and on about that. Do we have time? We've got about two minutes left. I personally think we've probably just save second Peter three I think we could do half an hour on that text along if you wanted to, but what's your what's your thoughts? You want to you want to add it all into another podcast? Yeah. I can do. Let's see we put about fifty fifty seven minutes. Yeah. We want. We do it on other. You know, podcasts if you'd like. And I think it would it would it comes to the same thing. The Lord is not slow about his promises some count slow thus. But his patient toward you not wishing for any parish. But for all come to repentance. It's the same type of mindset that we've been talking about this entire hour that we have to rightly understand that. If we reject universal atonement, we must put the context as the as the arbiter of the meaning, and we know better to say universalism is taught by scripture. We know better because Jesus says and John five all who hear the voice of the son of man will be raised to lie from the graves some into ever lasting, righteousness and some unter everlasting punishment. So we know there is no such thing as a universal salvation. So then in these things we have to come to to to realize this. This was a pastoral issue. This is the alarm issue. This is an ecclesiastical issue. This is a gospel issue, and it is not peripheral. It is not a cadaver it is life and life. Eternal versus eternal damnation. So we need to get it. Right. And we need to teach the gospel correctly. But enclosing there to have any last things. You wanna say, brother? I think just you know, when we're coming to these if you haven't been exposed to teachings on these things we have to stack Sogeti and not necessarily traditional we have to stay confirmatory with these kind of things. So we won't and you you mentioned a very good point about it's our responsibility as teachers to to not only expand expound on on on a positive sense in a biblical doctrines. But also refute those who oppose them, and yes, definitely on the gospel, even on on secondary issues on misinterpretations, and all these things we if we know the truth the most loving thing, we're going to do is tell them the truth. And I said, hey, don't don't take my word for it. You know, do the homework. Do the work yourself as God's word is holy. We don't wanna misrepresented if you're serious about the biblical authors, meaning the plain meaning didn't do the work. Don't be afraid of the tax going outside of your tradition. Just conferment Exegen weekly. And most of all pray pray that the Lord would show you the truth. And God the Holy Spirit will give you the understanding that you're looking for and something to be said you, and I've had this conversation many times over the last year. So, but there's so many people who are very well versed in scripture who have a very good platform, which they teach the positive attributes of right doctrine. But we it is so easy for us to get so flustered about people who refute truth that we can actually become the drum beater of the of the Harris of the heretics, we can actually give more attention to the wrong thing and to the person teaching wrongly then we can't do the right thing we need to remember that the ward saves through the Lear teaching of the of the scripture, and we don't need to major on those areas of the scripture just very quickly goes over. So in other words, if we want to talk about what scripture teaches lead. Do it in the same measure, which the apostles in the Postles gave positive correction positive instruction. And they spent their time teaching the doctrine that we find the scriptures. Let's do the same thing. We're so glad you Tom out of your day to listen to us. You can see Edward website over at Christian defense dot org Ma blog over at anchoring dot org. 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FOF #2724  Love for Sale

Feast of Fun

56:24 min | 2 years ago

FOF #2724 Love for Sale

"Yeah. In the modern age privacy has become the key battleground World War three is thankfully, not yet being fought with nuclear weapons, but with dick pics and headless torsos on Grindr. The US is forcing Kunlun tech. The Chinese owners of grinder to sell their stake in the gay dating app. Because experts suggest the app is a major security risk. Meanwhile, some folks have given up on social media and Danny apps because it's too much. Trouble to deal with all the madness today performance artists and cooking drag Queen vita sometime Amita joins us to take a look at the crazy mixed up world of gay dating apps -rageous and delicious drag performances and her adventures as an HIV educator in Malawi, plus Molly, Shannon out celebrated poet, Emily Dickinson in the new film while nights with Emily. Madonna leaves portu-. Aghil on horseback. And the city of Chicago jobs all charges against Jesse small at and now the FBI is looking into it. I'm I'm Mark villian. And this is feast of fun. Along. Yeah. Just all you gotta do is every time. I say, my you guys, go mom. Okay. I my mind. Your cattle. On my yoke yet. Oh, mama. Mama, mama. Dr to Pepe Dr Japan. Dr CHU PETA to up your memorial care. Your gear on. I'm not. Now, this is an English give the nipple give the nipple give the nipple or the baby won't cry. Isn't that lovely? But that's great. Drag Queen from but as Bill Katamon made on who was so famous such big star of the time that even Bugs Bunny dressed up in drag to pay tribute to her in the cartoon resist hat made a fruits, and it's not only delicious edible. Just like our guest today is the delicious performance artists. Vita Fanta Mita. Thank you for having me. Who is our Judy good friend here, and she loves to cook. And she likes to cross dress for your entertainment, pleasure on social media. And also does weird performances to shares music. What what is it the song that you did however isn't to share it involved chairs the United like when chair that you sit out not share them for thinking? Nothing to do charity said share. Okay. Actual chairs entertainer know that the actual sitting thing device chair. And what did you do? With those chairs I dislike played track of classical music. What is right now? And just like I was doing this performance in this outdoor decks face. So they're just a bunch of bars, tools and chairs, and I just ran back and forth across the room. Like, you know, pushing things aside, and it was also raining and thundering out so how this like kinda creepy. Describing your last wild night of sex that you had. Yeah. I mean, it was more like my loss like summoning of the devil because I am a wedge. Oh, you are what kind of witch. No a sandwich. Where's the meats? Oh, yeah. Which? Eurasian you grew up in Boston. And then you move to DC and DC you worked overseas for the for the core. Yeah. I did. I did allow we right after college. No one really knows them allowing. So it's fun to be like. Oh, yeah. You know, the place Madonna adopted her kid, and you know, as proud volunteer their superhero over there. Hey her day. Hey, her listen to her music God into six. To the great country vita setup. Amita Madonna is going to steal baby. Please don't let it take my baby. Please know that was my job. I how to like teach people how to make sure their kids wouldn't get of -ducted by Madonna. You know, it's hard work with someone how seriously seriously like what is reputation over the Dave Dave really don't like car. So I think she found out about that country because a lot of developing countries like have like a really boozy resort where you'd like pay a lot of money to live like a villager. So like, you know, you'll say no place month and you'll get water from the bore hole carried on your head like cook with your own fires and things like that. Sure. And I think that's how she found out about the country. And then like, you know, built up this whole like, oh, I'm going to kid and do women's empowerment project completely failed. So everyone associated with these like failed development initiatives as you tried. So the school for girls allow is happening. I think it like when Bank. I don't think it exists anymore. Oh, yeah. No. It really didn't work out. I think Riyan is a little bit more success. Yeah. She does something there. I think she wasn't some humanitarian award recently. And there's like some YouTube documentary about Oprah's school, she's Milwaukee to God. I. Alaui seriously. What did you do allow HIV community education? An okay. Yeah. It was really great. I had like studied health seven trash development in college. So is really great to go there. And I'll tell you like, you know, some trans people they're like the trans in their home do makeup because I was kinda missing it. I mean, not to be on like the download with things can get all day. See like. I think it's fourteen up to fourteen years of imprisonment if you're found like in compromising sexual yeah. Yeah. But even if it's a straight people. Yeah. So so in terms of Madonna's school for girls like has the her presence and Malawi in the country Malory's, not celebrated. Not look positively upon just clarify for the listeners. Oprah's Winfrey's leadership academy for girls is in South Africa. Okay. Where the dynamics might be a little bit better since out Africa's more progressive country than probably Malawi is. Yeah, I don't know too much about. I mean, oh, cave time has a really vibrant queer theme. They have quite a few musicians. I think some like gay clubs and Seth where you were nowhere near there. I mean, it's I guess it's hard to say progressive or not aggressive visas. I think you also have to see homophobia south as like a western cultural product that has made it over there with like years of missionary involvement and things like that. But I think they export it. Yeah. Yeah. We export it to them. Yeah. I mean, I think like people have really talk show without and Uganda. Like, I forgot that guy's name. But that crazy even Joe. Yeah. The thing about it is like, you know, we have a very superficial understanding of what life is like in Africa and for all these different countries. And you know, it's sort of like you wouldn't want someone who lives in New York thinking all Americans are the same based on somebody Annella. Bama, texas. Yeah. Yeah. And I would imagine that in Africa would be the same. Yeah. I mean, the crazy thing there too is like being a gay person you can sometimes almost hide in plain sight because it's totally called truly acceptable there for you to like hold hands at another man in public or be a little bit more physically intimate like not kissing pants down. Yeah. You know? Just like no one's gonna look, you know twice. It's it's interesting. How different places in the world have a different view of what's masculine. Yeah. Here in the United States that we're very, hyper masculine. They don't want hugging kissing and you go to India, Pakistan, all these other places. And just like, you know, they might as well be married. Yeah. Seeking like how crazy skill and he is in America. I recently got this pre workout powder. No. I I mean, that's pretty wild too. But like it's the title of it is a salt like the brand I love that pilot. Yeah. It's just like it's me Harney, actually, doesn't it just makes my hands shake. Oh, yeah. Like may say lips all Bernie and Tinguely. But like for me, I just tried to like what what are you doing with this? I'm like, oh, I'm gonna salt this bench press like cutting you just name it take no prisoners. Yeah. Like super strong work. Oh, I don't know. Like everyone familiar really quickly pre-workout power powders. Basically the quivalent of having a Cup of coffee before heading the gym here, bumper Matthew. Yeah. Assault. Another one is called C four. The rule of right? There was called literally no explode as nitrous oxide explosion. Wow. Did you have a boyfriend in Malawi? Yeah. Yeah. I dated this guy called Rodney he did have a name Suraj because they know you haul out there wondering. He was great. He worked for the only al-jahbi nonprofit in Malawi. And like the way they do like advocacy stuff is like very interesting like their approach was like we're going to take this stuff on from a health perspective. So they're like they would do these -cation initiatives toss. Oh workers and be like if you did ni- a man who has sex with men healthcare. Peers of what you think he is. You're breaking the law because Malawi has pledged universal healthcare faults. Dozens we'd be saying his name if he works is the only person the working of the organization, are you putting didn't say, no, no, no, they Israel. No. Well, it is his name Billy. They apply for grants and stuff. So like, and they have a website that houses name on it so information, you're not betraying his safe. Yeah. I mean, I'll marry him. He can come move here. He needs to. Sorry that was like gravely privilege of me. Well, Mark into certain about his state obvious fine. He is his opening in his community. Mark. Yeah. He has three kids as well. And they know and they're fine with that. So yeah. What what was it that made you want to volunteer with the peace corps? The peace corps is sometimes accused of being a colonialist institute. So that was my interest in my undergrad, I said gender studies Afrikaner studies than economics. And I got fascinated with just like the politics of humanitarianism like how is that that we like problem ties stirred in people as being perverse or lacking or like subhuman or whatever. So for me. I was just fascinated to see how those all play. Oh, like, impersonate, rather them from all these anthropology types. Three was the biggest prize that you experience when you got there and lived and workers in HIV prevention worker, I think for me what was surprising was the hierarchies. I saw among local people once who worked for the government and NGOs and how they internalize all these like, western colonialism's and then. Treat it when they would come visit us and our villages. They were really rude to all the people we would work with his they even had this idea of like rural or village people as backwards or not as smart or whatever there's a lot of condescension from inside of their own community. Yeah. Which people who are not as privilege as they were. Yeah. So for me, it was like the very much drink the Kool aid of peace corps as this new colonial. I actually had a blog. They started night. I got there like critiquing like all the things I took issue than the trainings. And they like have crazy Google alerts or something for these things is after two weeks, they found my blog. I got a call from the director. And they were like you said some pretty like offensive things about how we do our training processes, and we're going to have to ask you to take those the blog down and like vaguely throughout in that. They would make me go home if I didn't. Yeah. Out of it. What's the state of aids in the lower because you know, we we've done this podcast. We're now on our fifteenth. I think it was probably on our first or second season, we had a peace corps worker, and she had been I I'm not sure which country was but they had lost like forty percent of their population to HIV and aids. Yeah, I mean, something that's important to know about like public health statistics. Especially in the developing world is like they usually have the capacity to really test everyone. And so a lot of times though, dude has seen a hotspot area, and then create projections for the rest of the country. And so you see so I mean, it could be true not true. But these were deaths. They yeah. Yeah. But then again, you also have to wonder like are they going deep into the Bush getting death records? Like, I not saying this is the way to say that we've completely over exaggerated the HIV crisis in different parts of the globe. But to me, I think it connects in a lot of the way. Is that in our Jennings of like aids ridden countries that we perceive like the sexualities of the people in. And so did your work with peace corps, which is usually it's about a year in the country or. Yeah. So you came back to the United States. Yes. They came back to DC. And in the meantime, as you're going to school you decided to start a video series on Facebook about you doing a cooking show and drag and two on the record. You know knew nothing about us now now on your own Google cooking, drag queens now the it was twenty fourteen. And I had just graduated and we were in upstate New York for the summer, and I was vegan out the time. And I was really annoying about like, I gave is there any other way. No. And I think the joke was like, I'm already gay. I'm already I'm already vegan. Like, what's the other big thing that like someone needs to say in their first time, they meet you, and it's all I should become a drag Queen too. So. Just sort of add to your resume. Yeah. Yeah. Of noxious like some way. And that's where you sort of developed a name for yourself beat that sometime. I meet the. Yeah. So the veto came from. It was a mea vegan cooking show. So we wanted some like silly alliteration with vegan, and I'm Italian and Spanish, so we did vita like life vibrancy. And then Santa Rita was my last name Santamaria. So, you know, little spin off that. And there you go. Oh, your actual last name is somebody. Yeah. I like to say that I was named after the Bill that didn't make it to colonize America because you know. Ground haiti? Well, the Nina not anaemia inter Illustre NTA Maria. Yeah. They're actually named after sex workers. Do really I did not. Yes. La, Nina means the girl. Meantime means the colored one and Maria as you know, the holy Mary. But well, holy it's a. I guess I don't know how well people know about this. But the the Columbus ships were named after sex workers. I mean, I'm carrying the new world when we think about the new world people like what do they call it the new world? It was just the same reason that new and improved on like, soap, it was a branding thing. Because European call in European monarchies and governments wanted people to invest money and start paying their taxes. Right. So they're gonna expand their revenue, and so the idea of a colonizing the the Americas was that's why they call it the new world because it was to make it shiny. No that never known about it before like to them was new but the emphasis and the calling the new world is the same reason. It was the same mindset right marketing. Yeah. It was not necessarily because people were discovering something it was literally marketed as the new and new and improved with new can be a king of your own mention culture, the new world. That's everyone ended up dying like Charles savvy as they're like, oh, this is such fertile land. And none of them knew it to do. They're. Yeah. A lot of the people who are sort of colonizing the new world in that era had no the first clue how to do shit and a lot of people died. Yeah. They're also like the outcasts of England thing too is a lot of them where people who were not really able to make a big and and London then or the UK whatever then moving elsewhere, so Vida in your Facebook live streaming show stuff that you do. Exactly, you're cooking. Making terrible desserts and out now they were made. What would you make? So the the most interesting game aid was I used silken tofu blended with cocoa powder and some sugar. To make like a creamy pie. Felling? Sounds delicious something like that before it's super low calorie high protein and like bitches love lot. So. Yeah. Packets NutraSweet, Honey talk. Yeah. Just melts off your ties. No, actually you. You can make really gorgeous custard with silken tofu. Yeah. You gotta add some eggs or. You use like flax flax water is like the vegan ethical. Yeah. It's no actually does sort of gel kind of jolly. Yeah. A gar as a as a gelling compound. Yeah. It's not too bad. You know? And so. Recently, you've taken a hiatus, and this gets us to our main story today here Johnny scandaleuse from the owner, the playboy owner SCRUFF might be opening up Allah champagne because is number one nemesis. Grinder the scourge of every gay man and the blessing of every game cell phone and gender non conforming. And because you know, some trans people are on these apps to is being forced to be sold. And so a lot of people are like kind of you know, there's a bit of shot in Freud right with towards these hookup. I think you know, we've we actually knew the guy who founded Jolson Cayenne, I think he initially sold forty million. And there was another additional investment from somebody else for like ninety million. And I think the Chinese bought into it to value that like two hundred forty million Chinese gaming company Chinese American roots? But now the. The committee on foreign investment in the United States didn't have time to review the sale. And now they've gone back and said, no you can't own that. No, you don't. So there's you must sell it. And they're saying this ultra who would have to be somebody that he gets approved by the government allows comes. The US or European company may be giant or something? Yeah. Somebody who's not Chinese. Privacy laws. Don't tech the consumer the way other countries privacy laws would there's also this. But there's also to they think it might be. They might be able to use it for spy because you know, you can maybe you can figure out. Oh, this guy is using his grinder here and this location, then he's also using this location. And you're tracking them all my this guy works for the government. So maybe we'll look at his pictures. Maybe we can blackmail him. Now, that's one kind of thing too. But also to we don't know what they're doing with their information. And we don't know how they're manipulating that information back on that end sending them back to us. Maybe they'll attack us with some kind of weird propaganda. We don't know. Well, also, it doesn't hurt that the CEO the company the Chinese gaming company was in the news talking about how he thinks a real marriage or should be between a man and the woman, and and so he had a backpedals people. Like, what are you doing advertise? You wants really for ties IRS too. Advertise on gay dating app and your own CEO's, literally speaking out against gay people and the US right now to like there's a lot going on between China and the United States as far as technology goes, you know, people are racing to build like the world, I g five network and China wants to the United States wants to do the United States doesn't want to use Chinese products. They all of that probably could be like spyware. And so it's all about what's hardware. Yeah. We'll turn into some kind of spied where gather information. We don't know what that information could do because it's all kind of up in there. They have some ideas. But I don't think they really liked to talk about it because they want to give anybody any ideas. And you know, most recently they arrested somebody in in Canada because daughter. Because they're, you know, they're fighting about this technology. So and so it's the daughter not remembering the details on her name or the name of the company one of China's largest, computer hardware manufacturing companies, and where they rested her inner possession was nothing but apple products. And just two people be like what the impact of that is that you're having a huge faux pas in terms of like high ranking Chinese officials getting caught with American technology as opposed to Chinese technology that they're using is is almost a crime. And in terms of even though it's widely understood that all arcs across the world like to use apple products because of the ability to protect privacy, and they're so sleek and pretty well seen as as a as a as a status of stay. They like the the the status of having specific product. And so, you know, not to say that other computer products don't have their own status. Well, but in terms of privacy, these computer companies don't really value that and so if you're an oligarchy up to no good gas. What they're, you know, they're. Wanna Hughes stuff on a platform that they to protect themselves from getting spied on even though they're number one agenda is on the rest of the world. And so are you understand why privacy is a huge commodity? That's being fought for. It's a battleground it is the the Armageddon battle right now the ages, and so as we've seen this past year so much in terms of our politics here in the United States centers those questions around privacy. And the fact that we have a president that we know very little about we don't know what where Trump is making his money. We don't know much about the Muller report. We might now never see the details of the Muller report. We can't even make our own decision. And on this report that we spent twenty five million dollars developing. So it is privacy is the core of all international politics. The core of this battle and grinder. The laws regulars app in the world is at the center of all amazing. And I wanted to like maybe they were targeted specifically because they were gay, and they're like this isn't easy targets United States government. If we just didn't care about people's dick pics. This would be an issue. You know, you can't block meals someone if you don't if you give crap but I'm wondering like if somebody like a high ranking in person security clearance is feeling the pressure by participating on this app to show themselves in compromising photos like our not gonna get any sacks. If you don't show me your gaping hole. Wow. With a couple of dill dozens of Nellie, right? Yeah. If I don't see it. I don't want it. I mean, you could take it to Instagram. That's what I like to do. That's interesting thing. We started saying platforms, especially with young people, snap, Chad. And. Program. You know, this idea of temporary space for? Permanent data, but some some privacy experts saying there's really no privacy at all. And somebody somewhere has access to your stuff. And so, you know, the sneaker net or just literally showing somebody yourself own, but not allow tending them the photos the only way to get it. It gets show them. What you got? Honestly, I into walking up and down the three with my like, you know, how like you'll get a rest of euro, avoid the internet completely just get back to the days of door to door marketing, you know, go to the bar. You have a photo album about here's. Yeah. You can do a few years difference. Go look how much I've grown like. I do remember the early days of internet hookup app culture. I started observing more guys that you were just making flirting with or making friendly conversation at a bar, and they would lean into you and be like soup or your top bottom. And that's a question that I usually would get asked in the past. But it seemed like it was a sign of changing times where people felt brave enough to ask people very personal questions upon meeting each other. And it was not like it was like almost if somebody ask you the first date like, what's your income and social security number. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's weird. All this weird personal stuff being suddenly up for grabs. And so part of me feels very bad for people who are sort of like just developing their sexuality coming to their age, and you're relatively young person. Yeah. A ripe twenty six. Yeah. And so for you, you're like you're coming of age at a time where like privacy and and sexualities battleground again. Yeah, I think like. The period of face. Look, I grew up in was one where like, my parents and aunts and stuff for like, an I know this woman who her bosses saw her drinking too much on Facebook. And then they fired her. So you need to be really careful. And so. Very careful at sixteen. But my mother was an idiot took her maybe to like the tenth time. I was like vomiting in the bathroom for her to realize that I just wasn't developing summit bug every weekend like. Bitch drinker. Talking to people who have workplace policies in terms of sick leave. Now, a lot of work places are assuming you're up to no good. When you take a sick leave policy to treat. Everybody the same. And it's not like you have to justify whether you're having a sick leave or not. But I always feel like I think you get more. You know, get more kindness from your employer when you do tell them, you're. Legitimate sick as opposed to you're like, yeah. I just got drunk. I'm hung over. I don't feel like coming in. And you know. Things like you're basically trying to create a goodwill relationship with your employer, and we need to create space for people to be hung over or not feel like going in mental day off of work or like meditation rooms in offices. Those are those are discussing also what you don't like meditation rooms will corporate environments because they they're always in a room that has no windows somewhere borrowed in the office. And there's always like a really old couch on the seventies. Like may have come seines on it. Like, sure sure most meditation rooms are just masturbation show one hundred percent, and there's like one, you know, framed picture, like, scenic, whatever, I don't know. Make you feel you're outdoors. You have to clear your mind. Yeah. So I feel like the meditation room is the is the solution to like coming to our hangover. They are you serious about this. Because I usually like when I worked in publishing I remember one. Oh worker who low his life to go use the bathroom. And and we all were like he was himself and my dad into in the bathroom and not as desk. That's why I was saying I was like I don't care what he's doing on the bathroom coming out. So yeah, it's not poop or pee. It's going to be Jisr or whatever. But it's like, it's not of our business. You know, it maybe he knew that to get through the work day. Like that makes them a more productive employees. Yeah. Productive employees was one of sales people. They add maybe business JR. He's always getting ready for the next sale. I gotta get this one out. So you're born again virgin. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun gun. Virgin, mama. It's crazy. I mean, all this talk of Greider and scrap. I haven't even used one of those apps and like almost a year. Yeah. I'm a proud Gemini sister. So last season like. A close friend had gathered a few acquaintances for a little party, not a capital T. But there are things going on. And I got a Fisher from a good ole DP really just split me Fisher. Yeah. Nelson for your playing the people DP stands for double penetration. Media misses. They're very large same time. Yeah. And the. Getting devil penetrated the Dick's too thick. But they have to be kinda long, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because you have the way you space. It our kids eight to that threshold. Yeah. Wide open reading, and you know, I didn't even notice the time. Maybe the time I was like other feels a little weird, but like, you know, your goal drunk or in the moment, you're having fun. And then like the next day. It was like oh my God. What did these men do to me, and it took forever for this thing to heal? So I finally went to doctor and through that found out that I have a digestive autoimmune condition that was prevented from healing because my but so stressed. Oh, I'm like do zanex Serena's like and it just chill your butthole was stressed out. Yeah. That's why. That's why wouldn't that's both. Yeah. Yeah. So. I have this condition all sort of colitis, and that's just like inflammation of your intestine. But for me in particular, I've been blessed. So it focuses right on us. But you know, with lots of different like, I took these like Medicated Douches, and the funny thing I did try it being which doctor I try to make my own. Educated deuce. Yeah. Well, so what could go wrong? No doubt. They it's all natural organic us like. Coconut oil tea, tree oil, lavender oil up your bunghole. Yeah. Yeah. They'll be diluted that quite a bit. Yeah. It was looted, but with a central wiles, you how super careful you should only get once thought say that you're allowed to use them internally because otherwise the FDA has some wiggle room that like you don't have to say there things and they're not. But if it says, not for internal use, you know, that there's some shit in their fears are all like, you know, oil some plants and stuff like you should be able to ingest them. And so you were telling me that you've got both talks butthole. Yeah. Yeah. My first time getting talks wrinkles around this victory. Yeah. I just wanted to really pretty for from. So. Yeah. So the talk shop using a relaxes the muscles. They were like, okay. It's not healing. Let's try this vote hawks and it actually worked like a few weeks later. The Fisher was gone. But then the problem was like, the fishers gone and even doing these dishes and everything so it's not inflamed. But you're still like constantly clench literally in constantly and so right now, you're so clenched right now. Yeah, you have relaxed. I yeah, I've tried meditation. Acupuncture told me that it was twitching. Twitchy. I. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. And so when you were talking, and as it starts twitching again. Yeah. Like, here's me knows. I'm talking about it. So it's your top. Yeah. Name. No now, like my thing is just like, I mean, they're really inter- fraud edge or back alley blowjobs. It's it's the new luck. Literally alley. Oh, yeah. So particular alley I like the one by Berlin has dumpsters. And the lighting also Diesen too. So you can see the dick tube. But no one from the streets. We'll see you are you just meeting the guys on the street and take them back there. You pull him out of the club. You know? It's different. I will say the strangest thing that happened to me one was I was leaving Berlet, and I was in heels, and I was walking friends place and the sky comes up behind me. And he keeps on like. Hey, hey, and then like I've actually turned around. She like what the fuck, and he was kind of Q, and he was like like one of me off in this way. And I was like, you know, like, I'm here for the story. I'll do it. I hope you charge of money because otherwise a lot of girls on that corner. Get mad if you give it away for free. Get money out of that. I'm a pro though. Yeah. Oh that there that I know getting bad you're gonna get sliced the girls slice you. Yeah. Those sharp nails like they're really. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing else to slice the my about his already opened. Nova like it was wild tubers. Like, we he kept on like me Giacomo. He didn't want me to do anything else too. Yeah. But the thing is that like someone kept on coming down an alley. And as soon as someone will come Hugh make us go to different alley, and I'm like in heels and one point I was like, you know, he's not paying me. This isn't like funny. That's why you gotta get paid. Yeah. So like. Shia next time coin Tatas. Don't throw a no shea. You wanna get paid? You do what everyone actually empowered twenty six-year-old gliders like pretty soon. Everyone's going to be getting it in allays was thing. You know? It's like if you start shutting down off the internet people go back to the old fashioned, you know, the street ours. Nothing wrong with that. And so here for that door. Heydays of Chicago's Boyce town in the eighties and even the nineties the grocery store, the main grocery store there used to be a pace that was known for if you were shopping for groceries and eleven o'clock that you were interested in a very wholesome hookup. Oh, you're live on the south side. 'cause you go to the university of Chicago park. I don't know how far you are from Jackson park. That's a big cruising ground. African American men. I mean, I'll I am equal opportunity. Like, I mean right now my mouth is equal opportunity. I can't say. Yeah. I mean develop a micro Pena's feather soon. I think. Thank you. Goes be the only thing about fed. Malawi Madonna was as we always has a relationship with allow, but she also has a relationship with Portugal. She'd moved to Portugal, and I really one hundred percents. Sure why maybe because like all our legal there could she's been filming she's been stuff there. And also, filming things Morocco. So Portugal's just a hop jumping whatever flying away from over there. So she might be leaving. She he's adopted too many kids should Dopp any kids one Portugal. Nap them off the streets. And they still she wanted to film something in this palace there. And they said, yes, you can film on these days. I want to bring a horse into the palace, and they were just like no horses too heavy and the beams are old, and you can't do that. And I guess she got mad and now she's just like you guys begged me to come live here. And now, I'm leaving. According to the news. The reason Madonna is leaving Portugal because she can't ride her horse threw her palace. Just so ungrateful. Is it is it is it good for the horse to be able to Klopp Klopp through marble floors. I can see that being like, you know, a dream job for the horse like you live all your life and a bar and then one day in pain. Listen the horses needed soil. It's it's hard on those police that walk through the streets. They outfitted with special horseshoes to on the pavement. Yeah. It's not. It's not a pleasurable thing for the. Horse your nails right there walking on their fingernails. Clip club. Molly Shannon from Saturday night. Live star of the film soup. Is going gave for pay. She is the star shoes portraying Emily Dickinson, and the new film wildlife and wild nights with Emily the titles reference to Emily Dickinson's short poem while nights while night. And it shows, Molly, Shannon, and actress Dana Milan Melanie as older younger generations of Dickinson carrying on an illicit romance with her female lover through time who was married to her brother. Right. This is idea. Emily was there's a little Spencer who lived alone by herself was a reckless. But it was like no she was like she was out there. She was hoping the pavement trying to get her her her poems published and she was banging this hot chick. She can get familiar with the poems of Emily Dickenson. Yeah. Probably kind of somebody who was celebrated long after her death. So in her time, she never sort of saw the fame and fortune as someone like Elliot, for example, another American I think. Rosters. Yeah. Yeah. But what's really cool? Emily Dickinson's poetry is that it fits beautifully with the meter of the song super Cala fragile stick ex-pilot ocean overly things. So this is just a random poem. It's called taste a liquor. Never. Brewed family Dickinson. I taste liquor. Never. Brewed from tankards scoop in Pearl not all the Frankfurt berries yield such an alcohol and neighboring of Eram I and Deborah she of do really through the endless summer days from end of molten blue. And so, and so I'm really Dickinson's poetry was celebrated and still celebrated because of her imagination our ability to see a world that was far beyond her own experience. And that was what a true artist. Does it creates a world that they don't necessarily see or even people know it exists? But once they discover it bore you glad they did. So I actually think you know, seeing Molly Shannon, finally unleash her. Inner lesbian poet is going to be a lot of fun. It looks like a great film to watch super excited. Definitely going to check it out when it comes to town. And also news a wealthy the Chicago's dropped all charges against Jesse smollet. And now that'd be I is is getting in on the on the cluster fuck while they wanted I guess they wanna understand why the charges were dropped. So the charges were dropped. He's. He gave up he forfeited his bond of ten thousand dollars, and he has to do some kind of community service. Right. He still has maintaining his innocence. He's like story that I told them the very beginning of the story. That's there. I don't know. Exactly what that story was because I haven't really seen it, right? Or we know the Mueller investigation than we know about Justice mullets case. But it certainly, you know, the mayor mayor Rahm Emanuel, the police captain they've all chimed in and being like what the heck is going on here. You know? And some people are really outrage, you really have I want people who are really outrageous to really look at themselves and to think about the Chicago police department, and the brutality that they have done to certain people and ask yourself. Why are you not outraged up why do except police brutality? But this Justice small who may or may not have invented a hate crime. Why are you so outrageous about that mayor Rahm Emanuel is certainly being very loud in this in this on this case? Considering he has been caught covering up the delaying the release of liquid McDonald's murders by the in the hands of Chicago police in order to be reelected as mayor, and he's still continues to run humnan square, which is a legal secret jail where the police dole Accu Honey that's where they put you. If I ever did appear. You've lab if these. Funds like they threw in square on t. Scalding if I were wrong, Emmanuel, I just keep my mouth shut take my Uber money because I think he's got stocking to get. Get outta town Honey because nobody likes you. Nobody likes Rahm Emanuel. And it's a telling to the mayor how disliked he is that both front running mirrow candidates, Lori Lightfoot, and it's not gonna win winkle plus twenty they're both distancing themselves from the existing mayor. They're both like less than roaming. I even less and everyone's like the way they are tarnishing. Each other running attack ads is like, you know, Louis Lightfoot was involved with rum Amanullah, blah, blah, blah. So so part of it is like he's very disliked mayor. He's a very unpopular, and you know, they can investigate you to would you like to get him estimated because that can happen literally dipping my teabag and my team right now. And it's called. Just say, I would if you Kilty of crime, you keep your mouth shut if it's especially if the same crime, which is faking ship still it's going to be really interesting. I see people I will never watch any program that he's ever again inch. It's like, you know after Justice. Exactly. And part of me is just like if he if he did make this up. I'm sure that there's some kind of mental health issue there. And it's just like, you know, a little bit of kindness goes a long way world people like speculating that he made it out to get like a pay raise or something on the show. He listened that. If that's his bona vision does it seem like it's a very logical wait now. But I mean, I don't know for me like what I hate is like anyone who is going to discredit. You know, the many LGBTQ people out there who are survivors and victims of all. Yeah. I hope it doesn't make anyone skeptical of anyone else with us. And he is famous, you know, but there's also another case that happened in. Michigan Jackson, Mississippi are Jackson Michigan. There was an LGBT activist who burn down their house in a hate crime allow you know, they burnt down themselves. We're caught five of their pets died, you know, but because we're not a famous celebrity those there's not the outrage over that. You know, that's what I'm more outrage that you murder your own pets for that kind of like Munchhausen's sympathize sympathy or something I don't know for those out there for millions with these kind of state of mines and the armchair psychologist. What does the term called when you fake crime in order to get sympathy for it? Somebody was actually telling me on Twitter, that's not Munchausen. But there is a new show on Hulu about Mancha houses. It's a really fascinating disease because it's like, it's the parent lunch. Charles is year. Faking illness dinner to get sympathy. Right. Yeah. And munchausen. My proxy is you're thinking child's illness. Or you're making your kid intentionally sick? To get sympathy for yourself my poor kids. So. So you know, when young people use the term gas lighting that you're driven. They usually saying because you're like you're really trying to say you're two faced that. You're not saying what you really mean. One. Well, I'm not saying used Pacific, but I do notice a lot of young people on social media use the term guests lighting incorrectly. When they're really wanted to say insincere or manipulative gas lining is intentionally driving someone else mad by pretending. There's not a problem that's happening. Which is what the Republican party does. And certainly not the case. Speaking of going insane. I was going inserting earlier today, and I have to tell you the story because you know, in terms of why we do this podcast and who inspires us. There's there's a there's a there's a pantheon of gods out there that inspire us to do this podcast and surly like someone like rupaul is certainly one among them earth a kit, the great, Carl Sagan and mister Rogers inspires me. And Mark to be our best to to create spaces where people can talk about their feelings. Then tell their stories and be heard and understood I saw hope you Vida feel like a little bit. You know heard and understood I think when I forgot to mention earlier is I'm really in the market right now for man with like fingers that are five to six inches long. This very particular Muslim enough to be massaged and my fingers are just too short. So using the podcast your podcast appear as as a way to as a Craigslist ad base. Yeah. It's for medical purposes. Yeah. The doctors just prescribe that too late for signing finger helping hand just gonna care it that dildo. I just think person's touch would really the healing process absence bath, the I do those often, they're amazing. So for since the documentary won't you be my neighbor on the life of Mr. Rogers and his legacy came out, Mark Nye and our friends in media. We have a couple. Of close friends went to see it together. And we were all just really moved, and touch, and it was a really interesting to me, how some of my friends in journalism or entertainment also share that common bond with me, and Mark how we were influenced and inspired by the great, Mr. Rogers and real treat to discover that officer Clemens Francois Scarborough Clemens in real life is openly gay unapologetically sassy gay black man diva called himself diva man, and we just fell in love with Francois and the documentary, and so I quickly on the internet and friend requested him on Facebook, not expecting anything of it and responded and through the past year, I've sort of grown and developed a little bit of a friendship online with Francois Scarborough Clemens, and I've been begging him, please come on a podcast dying. Talk about your life with you because I just feel like the duck vintages can scratch surface those so much more to tell so much. So we finally got to talk to France while today, and Mark, and I were just like we got the time wrong. We got the time zone confused, and we're just in a hurry. And we started doing the podcast, and we had prince wants us to church at the end of the podcast, Mark. And I were just like teary eye, and so moved by his story, and I can't wait to show that with you guys, and it would be up by now, however in the process of setting up, the new computer, some of our whole hardware is malfunctioning and we've developed the all the audio has a little. Like spark like a ticket. And so I was just like literally so depressed. Imagine if like, the the one the interview of your lifetime that you wanted to get and it just went horribly wrong. And especially afterwards that we had like had such an amazing conversation with them. So I called a couple of friends of mine who are in audio engineering and the process of looking at that to see what they can do if you guys can afford to make donation to help cover our costs of addressing this technical issue, which comes and goes because the audio introverts that we're currently using to allow us to replace that police go to go fund me dot com slash feast, fund, computer and make a one time donation because it is an extraordinary interview that I'm dying to get to you guys. And I hope that one way or another. We're going to get it to you guys. I just wanted to get the best audio quality possible for you guys in for prosperity sake. Therapies and to me. I just to say that it was great for me to be able to do the frustrated angry. It's to Rogers routine like why people pay attention. I said it's like. Kick out of that. That was good because I imagine that Mr. Rogers a little bit more sassy a little bit more down to earth than he led on television handsome. Rough language. Let's just say rough language. He said some things I didn't expect to come out of his mouth. He got he took us determine. He did not hold back. And what for this? This is. This is the piece of fun interview of the year. It's coming people and coming he. Talk to us about him coming out to Fred Rogers, while in the shadow of the stonewall riots, and Fred Rogers and his infinite wisdom was like continent really difficult situation because he had this really important children's show any of a man of friend who cared deeply about coming out as gay to him. And and not sure what to do with it. So he said, I love you, exactly. Just the way you are. But this is something we need to keep quiet about if you are to be on the show because of the world that we live in the moment, we cannot have you be openly gay, and that means you can't go to gay bars you need to be on the down. And that's that's a painful difficult story. And it just gives me a profound sense of gratitude to the wisdom of these individuals like Mr. Rogers and France while. Clements that were able to navigate such a difficult. So it's dangerous environment at that time. And that me and Mark and everybody who's benefited from the show mister Rogers neighborhood had that in our childhood. So we could be Mr. Rogers for other people and that to me it's just like, well, I can't wait to share that with the is. It'll be out soon. Vita sunda. Mommy. Love when you sail you like how your name? Yeah. A little flair. Yeah. Little SaaS own. I thought this monotone science, Vida Santa me. Some become. The ship that sank. Down with all the seamen alleyway coming on the podcast. You know, you I wanna remind folks we can't do this podcast without your support. So if you can't make a donation to go fund me dot com slash feast of fund computer or become a plus member at fun dot com slash plus. We also have a new patriarch. 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Who's a journalist. Who's been right in the middle of a couple stories you've been covering One is You know he was all over the authoritarian bromance fascist romance between tucker carlson and and his his new best friend. Viktor orban He's also been all over the story of a victorian opening the door to the chinese communist party to build a massive university In hungry if you saw tommy that in the official transcript released by orban of his interview with tucker they they censored out. Yes tucker's criticism of of china which goes on who you know who tucker wrapping his arms around there but also sabotage was Spied on by the nso Outfit store we covered a few weeks ago. He was one of the two hundred journalists. Who surveilled baracoa so. Lots of talk about well. We're gonna count those. I intercept calms towards our download numbers for the episode. Because i'm sure they'll be listening in his life so let's certain aghanistan Because we talked about it last week. The things that actually gotten considerably worst since that time over the last few days. Seven provincial capital cities have been overrun by the taliban that includes cities in provinces in northern afghanistan. That have historically been anti-taliban where local warlords and militia groups managed to hold territory even when taliban-controlled kabul back in the late ninety s The afghan special forces are fighting heroically. They're doing all the heavy lifting but they are reportedly exhausted and in some cases literally out of food the regular army units are often retreating or disbanding or other not really fighting. The the fighting is moving. Further and further into urban areas. Civilian casualties are increasing. The taliban is also conducting a series of assassination campaigns against government and activists and civil society including an attack on the acting. Defense minister's home in a heavily-fortified neighborhood of kabul. That killed eight people not the defense minister. Luckily the us is still conducting air strikes on taliban targets but those flights are now beat outside of the country because us handed over bog remained base to the afghans. And i suspect that you know the air airstrikes general. They are less useful If we're talking about urban combat you can't you know bomb. Urban targets so many stories are as devastating. People who worked with the us in in the nato are getting killed. Innocent civilians are getting killed. Thousands of afghans are getting displaced or forced to live under taliban control last week. We talked about some criticism of biden for withdrawing quickly not doing enough i to get military interpreters and others who worked with. Us out of the country. I think that's a separate issue. It's valid one but what we're seeing. Today is a different story. I think these taliban military advances suggests that there's a far bigger problem that the us has been ghanistan for twenty years. We spent trillions of dollars. More than twenty seven hundred service members have been killed over one hundred thousand. Afghans have been killed. But here's my question for you. i mean. Do you see results happening with. The taliban are taking over these. These capitals Doesn't tell us that like this core mission of training and equipping. The afghan military has just fundamentally failed. Yeah i think it does. I mean it really. I was thinking about. What angle discuss your tommy Because as you said the news is the news and it's pretty clear that the taliban steadily-advancing even in places like you know the city of kunduz like not exactly their strongholds and to me people can make an indictment of biden's decision to leave and we can talk about that we have talked about that And and the speed with which he left but as you disillusioned to it's commandement of the entire theory of the case of this war effort Not the destruction of al qaeda. I mean that was targeted michigan. Where you go in and you try to take out Certain terrorist safe havens ozzy that bled into pakistan but the model of training and financing this kind of massive afghan security force as as the entity that you could hand this over to I think that needs come. Under a lot of scrutiny. Because i think to extent you look at who's actually doing. The bulk of the frontline fighting at see special forces as you say and there was kind of almost the size was the goal of the afghan national security forces right and in order for them to sustain just their basic operations in their logistics. They were hugely dependent. Not just on the us military but also on private security contractors who were performing some the basic functions for them and now that those private security contractors are also leaving. It's hard for the afghan nash security forces to to function to the idea of training kind of this massive military that you finance that has biden himself said in a recent press conference has more numbers more hardware than the taliban. But they're not like a cohesive tight fighting force you know clearly that didn't work iraq as we saw when mosul was overrun by isis And it hasn't worked you're either and so yeah. I think there's a you know there's gonna be a lot of efforts. Put into looking back. But i think one of the basic point here is that our capacity to to shape events in these distant countries that we don't understand that well that you know the. Us public doesn't have an appetite for staying for several decades that we sometimes sink a we can construct military and this size. It can get this amount of work done. You know that this is a lesson in the limits of what the us can accomplish through through military intervention itself And because even again even if we kept that small force there. The taliban was still advancing. They just weren't advancing at the speed. So thought like everything was was going well and then biden pulled out in the bottom fell out. It's like no everything was already deteriorating in that deterioration accelerated with this. Pull out an and again. I think that that should teach us that. You know the the the model where we think. We can. Engineer events and other countries through military action. You know hasn't borne out in either rock guinness in something. We should take a lot of stock of twenty years after nine eleven. Yeah bill military in the saints of image as our own. Here's a question that i bet. The biden folks are debating right now. Which is you're seeing. These district capitals topple and topple quickly. There's real concern now about you. Weather kabul will be next or you know or or how quickly kabul I believe that right now. There are four thousand people working at the us embassy in kabul including fourteen hundred diplomats. There six hundred fifty. Us troops on the ground. Still defending the embassy. I believe that embassy compound is a fortress. But i mean at one point. Do you think the. Us government will start thinking about whether it's safe to have a diplomatic presence in afghanistan. Because i mean like it would look if i were serving their right now. It'd be pretty weird. Yeah i think at a certain point. They're clearly going to make a decision. Know what i think. They hoped for in a best case. Scenario is that with the us withdraw. I think was inevitable. The taliban was gonna make some advances. But i think what they hope for is that the afghan government security forces could hold some territory and that some kind of stalemate would emerge that could then kinda be channelled into a diplomatic negotiation And in the current trajectory of events it's hard to see what the afghan government can't hold it all Maybe like an island of of kabul. But i think the hot the decide is in addition to kind of continued airstrikes. Are we prepared to deploy more military force to just keep kabul from falling so that at least there's some outpost of a different political force and military force in afghanistan. They can allow you to have some protracted effort to get negotiations. You're right now. It feels like With the current momentum you know it's very unlikely that That they can hold out and in kabul and some other cities but I you know that's gonna that's gonna bring some tough decisions in the white house as to whether you deploy some some you. At least more robust air power in a more sustained basis to create some hopefully some kind of perimeter around kabul. Yeah in the the names of the white house making. There's no way they're sending troops back in just before we started recording Zalmay khalilzad the. Us official leading the peace negotiations with taliban put statement where he warned the taliban that a government that takes power by force won't be recognized internationally. I mean maybe he's working with the best diplomatic stick. He has available to him. But i just. I can't imagine the taliban giving shit about that. No and look. The taliban wasn't recognized internationally by many countries back when it ruled afghanistan before nine eleven and that they didn't seem to give a shit about that and we've even seen in recent weeks you know. A taliban delegation received in china you know so there are countries that are going to deal with them As as a a if not a governing recognized government of afghanistan says like a an authority inside of afganistan I do think to come back to this point. The we throw a few times but it can't be stressed enough like it's this question of who to try to evacuate. I think should not be restricted. Just to kind of military interpreters or just a people who work with meteoric nations as has been discussed but there are a lot of people that were usa. Id contractors or a lot of organizations that got grants from your side you to set up you know. Women's rights organizations human rights organizations. I really do think that if look if the biden team decided in. And it's a decision that you know you and i have expressed understanding of that that there's just diminishing returns for having us military presence at some point we're gonna have to leave. It's been twenty years. I do think that there's a higher threshold of responsibility to get as many people out who worked with us as possible and again not just people who are like employed by the military but people who were like started organizations that received funding from the united states because we encourage them to stand up for women's rights or girls education or human rights B because you know when you think of the most horrific scenarios. It's it's the kind of mass retribution taken out on those people. Many of whom are based in kabul. And frankly if you are headed to a scenario where what you know. You're kind of hoping for And hope is not the best word for such a grim scenario but is that the that the taliban kind of once again discredits itself by the way rules and invites greater opposition to it over time. You need those people to stay alive. And those people who represent afghan civil society in an alternative future so that if things change and however many years that you have people that can go back and help put the pieces back together. So there's moral reasons in there also practical reasons why you'd want to save as many people as possible who've kind of participate in this project of of trying to have a an afghanistan the represents the rights of all its people not just taliban agenda. Yep okay that was a A very grim topics. Let's talk about something very stupid Which is mike pompeo. So failed former secretary of state. Mike pompeo is in the news Because of a missing bottle of whiskey. And i don't know if you saw this twenty nineteen The government japan gave pompeo a bottle of whisky. Worth fifty eight hundred dollars. Can't imagine paying that much for whiskey but the gift itself isn't that weird foreign governments often given the president Or give senior members of the president's staff these lavish gifts that basically immediately get recorded taken away by the state department and the recipient can either turn it over the national archives forever or buy it back with their own personal cash but this special bottle booze went missing and mike pompeo was asked about this by fox news last week in a moment of accidental journalism by the fox news team stuttered and stammered and said it never got to him. But if it had been diet coke would've drank. It was kind of the joke attempted. What's your take ben. Where's the bottle. Do you believe mike that he didn't just slug this thing down on the plane ride home so i mean first of all like just so people understand how this works like. I never got time. We went our first trip to saudi arabia in two thousand nine and arrive at my like little guest house that i was staying at each of the staff assigned to one and there was a suitcase full of jewels like villas encase opened into had like it had like you know like a necklace in a watch or i don't know what was in it and i thought that they were trying to bribe me because i was working the cairo guys. What the so go. My god i it. I just got this. But then pharaoh is staying in the same compound is mean. He got the exact same gift and then turn out. Everybody got a suitcase full drools and that's when the state department explain us. Oh no don't worry about it. We just take it you know. We'll let you know if you want to buy this. And i think it was valued at tens of thousands of dollars something. Nobody ever does that right. They gave you the chance to stash it in your bag Before telling you that. They knew that the jokes were in there. Yeah well bit like in. This happened again and again. Obama like de gifts. These gifts are given protocol office protocol office. So it's very weird about this right. Is it like normally. There wouldn't even be a question like the bottle of whisky would go to the state department protocol people just take it back and put it in whatever warehouse they put it in or i think maybe they sell some stuff for charity or something. So it's kind of odd peculiar that of all the gifts that might compare received and look like he gets them in every country. You go to you get some dumb gifts that the multi thousand dollar bottle of whiskies workers missing knowing pompeo. He's probably not the kinda guy that like had a good time with this whiskey. He probably re- gifted it to like some some coke brothers type donor you know. Look at the navy reserve time at the madison dinners. You know thought about that. I bet he got drunk and yelled at his staff which is what he does. I love this guy like throwing the state department of the boss because he kind of made another decided thing. About how like you know anybody. Fuck this up. Who's going to state department. What a great boss. Mike pompeo is like how'd you like to work at a guy and he's throwing you under the bus. Every single thing that happens including the fact that he he lost several thousand dollar bottle of whisky. Yet you drank it you schlub. You drank it or you re gifted man come on. Yeah you're the worst Okay some news out of sudan so our friend. usa id administer. The power took a visit to sudan. Khartoum she gave a major speech. She announce additional humanitarian assistance and she also visited refugee camp that hosts ethiopians who have been driven out of ethiopia because of the civil war there the conflict in tigray. Then some interesting these on top of that ben. Sudan's transitional government voted unanimously to join the international criminal court or icy see. I'm sure this was a pretty remarkable trip for samantha. Who is you know. One of the world's experts on the genocide that happened in darfur visited there under very different circumstances longtime ago. Then what do you think. It would mean. If if sudan joined the i c c and people like former sudanese president omar up a sheer were handed over for prosecution. Like what are the stakes. There i mean. I it just be like a tremendous sign that the international justice can work like one of the reasons this is momentous for two reasons. One is on the international justice. Front bashir was kind of the poster boy of impunity for years because he'd been indicted by the icc and he kinda flaunted it was like screw and he kind of pressured other countries particularly in africa. To say don't cooperate with the ic continued deal with me in his ability to get away with that kind of undercut the credibility of the court. I think if he is prosecuted what that demonstrates is at some point is coming for you like you may evade this for five years ten years fifteen years. But whether you're the burmese who nta or whether your someone like bashir whoever you are like once you get tarred with that indictment like just because you're gonna voted for a period of time to mean the justice incoming and that's a very powerful message. I think it's also a reminder that like pretty extraordinary political vents happened in sudan You know that you had this kind of mass mobilization for democracy. They successfully did ouseba. Shearer and did liter transitional government. Look there's huge challenges there they're still a pretty entrenched military. There's like some autocratic neighbors Particular friends in the gulf food like to to pour money in there and don't wanna see full democracy but you know things continue to progress somewhat in sudan it. It's a sign that that you know when people stand up and demand change like they can. They can see tangible results. you know. it's also a sign though that that very fragile transition. One of the things that's putting in a risk is as conflict you know next door in e ethiopia-eritrea our tree that risks kind of spreading and pulling in neighbors and and so it's yet another reason why people should be concerned about the direction events in. Yeah in and just before we started recording I saw that the ethiopian prime minister abiomed has called on civilians to join the army in the fight against the northern rebels in tigray You know the the rebels. The north had stages major offensive taking back a lot of territory that they lost. But you know calling on civilians to join the fighting. Seems like a very bad. Sign that this. This war is going to escalate and not end anytime soon. So it's something we should keep watching. It's a reminder that that these situations that are already tragic can get worse. I mean because the situation when everybody's turned in new combatant including civilians is a recipe for just a lot of suffering and instability. And and so the the the imperative of trying to get this into some peace process in some kind of ceasefire negotiation knew that the continues to be acute and and this is something that the biden administration and a lot of other governments and hopefully governments in africa. Step up because if you look at organizations like the african union which is based in ethiopia. You'll at all these neighbors Like kenya like important countries They're gonna suffer if this conflict continues to go off. The rails and so a lot of countries have a lot of interest at stake in preventing further deterioration. Here never mind. 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Speaking of a lot of countries having stake in preventing further titian. Let's talk about climate. Change because the intergovernmental panel on climate change where ipc released a massive new climate report that was based on analysis more than fourteen thousand different studies in paints a very bleak picture. So here's some key takeaways one know. The report is just unequivocal about the fact that humans are warming the planet by burning fossil fuels and that the impact is being felt literally everywhere. The co two. We've released already has basically locked more warming and extreme weather for the next thirty years and the rate of change in in areas like sea level rise is happening more quickly than before so things accelerating if the world does nothing. The temperature could rise from three to six degrees celsius which would be catastrophic but if we are aggressive in a global effort to cut emissions that could limit global warming to one point five degrees celsius. There there's some hope here. you know. Just a personal. As i also hope that like industry is figuring out some way to pull carbon the atmosphere to help with his effort. But you know government cdot first so you know this study is especially valuable because it draws this link between extreme weather events and climate change that is important is a lot of people. Don't do that. They don't think climate change impact them personally. But i think here's the big question the next. Un climate change conference is coming up in november. Do you think this report will do enough to get the world to come together and to act like enacted the scale. That's necessary because you know we've seen That not necessarily happen in some of the recent summits i mean. I had a lot of thoughts and feelings in reading the summaries of this report the first is. I don't think you can emphasize enough. How selfish reckless shortsighted and and really cruel. The climate denial ism in governments like our own has been over the years. I mean like what is it gonna look like to future generations at like donald trump stood up in like pull out of the paris agreement and said he cared about pittsburgh and not perez and ended it that our politics. I mean to do a little media chris. I'm here covers that as if it's like. Oh that's a valid political argument. You know like this evidence has been clear for decades and we've literally had people obstructing climate action not just refusing to join it but like even the infrastructure bill the pass a day. They had to pass a bill. That could get bipartisan support. The basically stripped out most of the important climate provisions because god forbid any even moderate. Republican would have to vote for that. That is gonna look insane I mean i don't like i. It's hard to get your mind negligence. Think the second point then that leads to his alike you know for for people who talk about foreign policy international relations you read report like that and you realize at some point we're going to wake up completely to this and this is going to be like the only thing that people do you know like the the issue that governments work on together the issue that the government has to be structured to deal with is going to be climate change for a period of decades in and you would hope that the combination extreme weather events that we've already had and the reports that have come out like this will make that moment now because what needs to happen at glasgow is there needs to be a transformation of the ambition that governments have in terms of the targets are setting transactions that they're taking so that they can literally transform the entire global economy into something that can leave the earth habitable. You know and that's gonna take government's spending money and having much stricter regulations that's gonna require people who invest money to only invest in clean energy. That's going to require all of us. Different choices about the types of places that we live in the types of energy that we use it. It's a whole of society effort that needs to start like yesterday Glasgow will be an opportunity. But i'm not that optimistic that that we can get there. I think it does point to how important is for the second infrastructure. Bill the reconciliation bill to go through so that the us momentum we go there and we can say hey. We dispense x. Amount of money near transforming our energy grid so that we can meet you. Know the the goal of of being carbon-neutral by twenty fifty But we'll see we'll see if we can get done that that time you're also seeing some like certain near-term political fallout writing. These major fires in greece. In you know some people are blaming. Immigrants others are blaming turkey. Summer blaming corporate interests so like the spill over effect Into politics especially like right wing. Politics will be devastating. I'm gonna road test a slightly lighter message that people can use for the republican friends so according to some reports i read ben. Bad weather is forecasted to reduce france's wine production by thirty percent. this year. That weather in italy is going to reduce their output by ten percent. Winemakers and california are struggling to grow grapes and these heat waves. So here's a message for your drunk fox news watching relatives deal climate change or you cannot slug chardonnay and yell at me about certificate yet this thanksgiving you think that will work. I hope so. Except like i was thinking about this time. He's like it's so clear what's happening. It's so clear that would suffering extreme weather events because of this but if people won't even get vaccinated you know like to protect themselves. Why would they support national policies. That do i mean but again the we can do this. You know i mean we we like it's it's a problem with the solution in terms of policy can be pursued. Maybe i mean maybe that message can work. I mean i also think like again to remember that like it's going to require countries to say things like okay. We're going to trade with brazil. If icky burning down the amazon mike. It's going to take that kind of collective effort of like young kid voting off the island people that they refused to deal with this. Unfortunately the united states is often been the country refuses deal that whenever we've had a republican president but maybe the chardonnay can be a wakeup call. I don't know you know. I'm i've tried something here. Burning to death on the lips though that that's what we're dealing with You mentioned cove it so some good news air. The pentagon announced that members of the us military will be required to get a cove in nineteen vaccines starting in mid september. That timeline gives the fda the chance to complete its inexplicably long process and give final approval to the pfizer vaccine. So the secretary defense. Lloyd austin frame. The issue is impacting military readiness saying quote to defend this nation. We need a healthy ready. Force seems obvious. President biden backs plan so the pentagon says more than one million troops are fully vaccinated Another two hundred and thirty seven thousand more have had one shot. The navy is doing the best i. In terms of the service branches they have the highest percentage of active and reserve sailors vaccinated with seventy four percent. Having gotten one shot. The army is bringing up the rear with closer to fifty percent vaccinated. Servicemembers are already required to get lots of other vaccines. The exact list depends on your location. So this seems like a good step And a piece of the puzzle that will get us closer to having the federal workforce in country vaccinated. But like here's my question for you ben. Do you think dod will actually punish the few holdouts who refused to take it and d. worried all that those people become like right wing celebrities. Once it happens. I mean you can guarantee that they'll be some like you know marjorie taylor. Green press conferences with some soldier who refuses to take it back. So they'll be doing cross. Vam not getting jab. Yeah i think that this is great leadership by dod. I mean as the most respected institution in the country like for them to to take the step with so many people in that institution. That's what they should. They should be like at the forefront of modeling the kind of behavior that we should see in other institutions right So lloyd austin has been look. I know there's things we've criticized about. Some some foreign and defense policies on these matters have kind of personnel. He you know. He deserves a lot of credit like they've taken steps to to know they take in sexual assault cases out of the chain of command to ensure better justice for victims and survivors A huge debt that was long overdue. They restored the rights of transgender people to serve the military there Taking the step on vaccines like you know. You're definitely seeing a lot of integrity and a lot of leadership from dod on how it's an approaching You its own behavior as an institution in what. That's modeling for the rest of society so like definitely typic- cap there but you're deafening and have Some dead enders. You know making common cause with matt gaetz and tucker carlson and merger taylor could already feel the press coverage is Some dumber cova news along those same lines of Green so some anti vaccine activists in the uk tried to storm the offices of the bbc. Because they were now. I love this. I love this. The bbc was occur urging people to get the krona virus vaccine But unfortunately they stormed the wrong address. they entered a building tried to enter a building the now houses apartments restaurants and studios that make daytime talk. Show so great work. They're the best is it. They the whole premise of them storming the bbc was that they done the research about kerr fucking vaccine and then they hadn't even done enough research to know that the bbc wasn't in this building and had been there for years. I mean like i just. Maybe you're not doing the research guys. Like maybe maybe resources on five jeered microchips in the vaccine are the same sources that led you to think that the bbc's in a building hasn't been in a few years. Yeah maybe not so much. Louder with crowder The washington post had a good. Write up of the whole incident ben and noted in this story. I missed this two men at an anti kobe. Lockdown protests in sydney australia last month were arrested and charged because they punched a police horse. So great stuff happening at these Anti-tax protests offer ends. I mean come on. Can we just laugh the horses. At least i mean it's bad enough that you guys gonna put us all rich. I wanna be there. You know like they don't to be there. i mean. give me a break that actually these could to our olympic section b.'s olympics are over there fun while they lasted the paralympics are starting so we can also get our fix of grade competition. There was also a horse punching incident. I believe in one of the events that i don't understand that involves like seven different things including horses jumping over shit but the thing i wanted to flag for you then is Apparently chinese state media are trying to claim that china actually beat the us when it comes to the total medal count come by claiming that medals won by taiwan. Hong kong belong to china. You're all right okay. Come on guys. I mean well first of all they were doing. Endzone dances like halfway through the competition about their lead in in the gold medal. Count and i'm sorry you guys just couldn't get it done. I mean i'm sorry that like we clips you in the final days because our extraordinary us women won another gold medal. Basketball senator men of course We racked up the medals and track like we always do like just deal with it right. And now you're going to tell me that you're gonna count like taiwanese medals the people that want nothing to do with you. Because they're so appalled by what you've done in hong kong like give me a fucking break and you know putting aside the jingoistic olympics tree leading here. We're we're we're entering into like what's going to be a pretty intense year of debate about the the beijing winter olympics in two thousand twenty two eight noon. Yeah yeah that's that's looming out there. 'cause like you can bet there's gonna be growing calls to to boycott that or or to release downscale participation in some fashion so but for the time being like like we won just deal with it like scoreboard is what it is you know. Get a weird aside here I don't know if you saw the women's diving competition. The chinese women are incredible. There's some of those like some of the highest scores ever in the history of diving. But i just. I found it really odd. That like these are thirteen year. Old kits getting pushed literally off a a high dive enforced to train for the olympics. On something about it just seemed off of a kid. Young being forced to train like that. Yeah i mean. Look the china thing respectively. Well here's the thing like. I've a lot of respect for chinese athletes like there's some extraordinary athletes. I love watching. I like watching that. From all the countries. I liked it. We win the medal count. But like i am happy with other countries medals. There is something like. I don't put it this way. If we had not won the medal count. I wouldn't really have given that much of a shit. You know what i mean like like would say like. It shouldn't matter that much. You know what i mean. And you get the sense. You used to get the sense in the soviet union days that there's kind of maniacal focus on pushing these athletes and and often that led to doping right and like like it's supposed to be fun. It's all these weird sports and when you look at the american athletes. It's these people that you know they've been doing diving. Where they've been doing gymnastics or they've been doing waterpolo since they were little kids. You know and they just happen to be good at it when there were five and and they went into some programs and there was really good. But i don't get the sense that like the. Us olympic committee. Is you know like sitting there trying to program athletes from some young age too so they can map out what the metal counts going to be for a twelve years from now. If we are doing that we shouldn't be. I mean it's supposed to be fun and and yes while there's a professionalization of somebody's sports like most is pretty amateur. Speaking which you mentioned equestrian like do you feel old realizing that like bruce springsteen's daughter one like an olympic medal in the question like i had no idea that that that bruce had a daughter who is like an olympic athlete. You know. I mean good for the boss i do. Think the equestrian suffolk look. It's cool. I guess i don't know. Just sorta seems like kids who can afford. The best horse are gonna win. No well you know springsteen sultan albums. And i'm sure she had this right. I mean yeah like we went through this with mitt romney Beverly bloomberg's daughter was a really good bloomberg's daughter. Romney had that dressage for reform Which right very helped us in the two thousand twelve election. But yeah i like. Let's just keep the olympics fun if we can. I'm looking forward to paris. That'll be a cool. Venue will next two summer olympics paris in la and not much about politics except unless the the chinese are boycotting the olympics in two thousand twenty eight will see you know we'll see Okay my final story. I want to find for you. Ben is so stupid that i kind of wonder whether it's fake so business insider reported that a canadian startup is working with spacex elon. Musk company to build a satellite with a pixelated display screen that can display advertising logos arguing. Whatever you want on i guess. And then they're gonna launch an inch or so. We'll have space ads so from there. A selfie stick will display livestream. Whatever is on the screen to youtube. In twitch this monument to i guess capitalism and human stupidity is supposed to pollute our skies sometime in twenty twenty. Two people will be able to buy ads with various cryptocurrencies. Because of course that's perfect. Yes yes so. Here's my question. What idiotic nonsense do you think. It's displayed i. Is it gonna be like a doj coin meam some sort of genitalia. Like how can we. Can we get this thing. Well i think it'll be like the you know crypto utopian late stage capitalists kind of messaging. Right i mean like honestly if you if you tried to write a distortion book about capitalism going to space like fifty years ago and came up with the premise that in twenty the twenty twenty space would become a place where billionaires have dick measuring contests about how high up they can go and rockets that they paid for personally and then crypto guys. We're broadcasting adds that the that that aliens like. What does the impression that we're giving these ailing civilizations who are studying us you know. Can you imagine the thing that they're looking at us from like a couple of galaxies over there some really smart beings who've been studying us like you know like mice in you know in the laboratory and what they see is climate change happening. They see these people burning this beautiful planet. They have while billionaires flying up into space and then figure out ways to sell advertising there rather than dealing with the climate crisis like can we just get the priorities in the right order cannot be compatible with capitalism. Please because of it's not like we are going to burn ourselves to death ear building satellites with southeast. What what's your money on for the first at I'm i'm assuming you know some sort of to peanuts. Drawing would be my money but you mentioned like techno utopian. So jack dorsey tweeted. Yesterday actually wrote this down. Bitcoin will unite a deeply divided country and eventually world of the end of his tweet and maybe so unbelievably mad. Because i just finished an ugly truth. Which is the new york. Times reporter book facebook in a details all the ways that the silicon valley naive techno utopianism lead to decisions and real world. Harm like doing nothing but hate speech and the us burma anti vaccine disenfranchised cetera in like actually like jack dorsey. He's smart and he's seems like a good person but these same guys now wants to trust them when it comes to creating like digital currency or artificial intelligence or whatever the next thing is in like i don't think they realize how pissed off people are advantage. How little they deserve our trust in like. I'm just. I'm done with taking his gospel. Cultish belief that whatever. Some tech ceo says is accurate especially when they have like a clear financial interest in us believing their bullshit whether it's space or bitcoin. I know a. Bitcoin are gonna yell at us. Always do in twitter but like give me a break ya i like the cautionary the world. Yeah but the cautionary note. I'd say like to this crypto. Utopianism is is the same when you did which is techno utopianism is not worked out. Well you know and there might be some good things about crypto in the same way that there's some good things about social media But you know when you allow yourself to be convinced that you have the answer to all the world's problems whether you're in politics or your entrepreneur tends to lead to some pretty difficult places and look the reality of this too is. I've been going a little bit deeper in this recently. You know there's some interesting things about crypto right but the totalitarian governments china are not just going to sit there and The argument is this could be a way that dissidents in china can have different currency. Or the already. You've seen the chinese say we're not going to deal with bitcoin. We're gonna start our own minds we're gonna set up our own crypto because of course that's what they're gonna do that's what any totalitarian governments going to do and then of course with the. Us governments can do and say we're going to have to regulate this because we don't know what people are laundering through this. Who's washing dirty money through this. Never mind that's not tax and so it starts to migrate to the kind of offshore haven type places and and and yeah like i think that the the point for the crypto people before they yell at us like make your case. There's some good arguments about the potential for crypto but this has not been thought through in a way that deals with the reality of the world. Is you know. And and Yeah i saw that tweet. And i saw you kind of take that on. 'cause i get jack. Dorsey is usually slightly more thoughtful. Guy than than some of these other tech guys. But y- years this tendency to kind of hype. Whatever the next ideas without leveling with the downside risks and there's always downside risk and here's the downside risks for clear like this can be manipulated by criminals commute to launder money. Like just you have to deal with that right. Make your case like there's no circumstance in which going to unite a deeply divided country. It's bitcoin man. It's just it's just. I mean can unite or shut up. It's like crypto investors. You like yeah. But then jack dorsey and his summer house he'll point then because you're gonna have these guys who you know running up the price and then crashing it so they can make money like i don't know i feel like that's just eating. Just rain it. Just chill with the hyperbole. That's another venue for capitalism. That's what it is. I mean you just don't Okay we are going to take a quick break. We come back. 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Thanks for having me. So you and i spoke for my book. Which which is podcast. Audience has heard plenty about about victoria. Bond and some of the connections between or bond and other authoritarian movements In russia in china in the us And unfortunately there's been a lot more evidence for that That thesis in recent weeks. Some of which involves you personally. So i wanna work through each of those. We'll start with the thing that's been in the news here which is tucker carlson. Who's emerged gonna the most prominent right wing commentator in america making this kind of week long pilgrimage to budapest. What was the reaction to tucker carlson's visit in budapest. How did someone like you and and people there Take this this interest. From from tucker. Carlson victoria bond. Yeah i mean dr. Carson is absolutely unknown to hungarian audience. Obviously so his was. It was not about not about hungary or hungary hungering people. It was about the us audience or an international audience. It was a pr bure stunt. It was pretty obvious. I mean you can compare his visit to. I don't know jalen performing at the birthday party of too many stan's dictator or kanye west singing at at the wedding party of of the kazakh president's grandson. And stuff like that so meaning that. This is a vanity project for two orban to try to bring to hungary these so-called so-called western intellectuals right-wing thinkers as they label them because frankly that your government is increasingly alienated with trump. Gone with benjamin. Netanyahu gone with bolsonaro in brazil struggling with all these ideological allies Seem to be Their fortunes seemed to be fading. So it's pretty important for Still show that there's international support behind him that this populist right-wing veve that has been writing is still existing steve bannon famously labelled or bias trump before trump. Now it seems that now that trump has gone and all these other people are on the verge of of losing power Suddenly the whole world is just a shrinking for and so bringing parson is is just a show force. I believe you. And i talked about right. His effort to beat the vanguard The forefront of of this kind of right wing nationalist authoritarian movement Particularly in the west. You know what he calls illiberal democracy and so clearly you can see why having tucker carlson their advances that sense of who he is and as you say might might try to suggest hunger and people that they're still momentum for it even after you know the. Us election went the way it did. But you know orban's up for reelection next year Do you think this helped. Does this help him with with hunger and boaters to be seen. Is this kind of global figure of the far right or is it. Something that appeals to his vanity. I think it's It it it i mean carson and bringing him to hungary the bills to republicans in the us It's not about the domestic audience. It's not about winning votes. in hungary. it's about trying to dismantle this this bipartisanship in in in the us which is really a risk to orban. Meaning china so that the whole china policy That's that's been pursued. Both by the trump administration and by biden administration is a real risk to to orban who's been establishing hungary as which had a chinese influence in the region and His his main foreign policy goal in the us is to try to dismantle. Bipartisan efforts Critical of the hungarian government and the only way to do that is to win over some republicans most see on the fringes of the republican party. Like the rohrabacher or or Bogelsong from arizona. These are some figures that Hungering government has been trying to court in recent years. So it's it's it's about mitigating. The risks of what consequences will bring to victoria. Government if he pursues this pro chinese pro-russian trajectory that his being you mentioned china. You know it was interesting to notice that In the official transcript of the interview released with victoria oregon by the pharmacy. Orban's office they. They censored out some of tucker carlson's criticism of the chinese communist party in question victoria bond. When you and i spoke for my book you talk to me about some investigative work you've done and just kind of your understanding of how we're about headed invited china in terms of being part of the belt road initiative civic vacant get kind of a made in the eu stamp on things Including my way The chinese tech giant. You've also subsequently done some great reporting on this university That orban's invited the chinese to set up a in budapest notable. He kicked out. The george soros funded university and is invited in this chinese communist party. Funded university can you just explain to our listeners. Who probably aren't familiar with this. That the nature of orban's relationship with the chinese communist party in particular this this university that he has plans for sure. I mean you know. Hungary has become the most vocally pro chinese country in the european union hungary's not the most important trade partner of china in the eu of course but hungary hungering government has been Basically vetoing any kind of a statement that brussels tried to put out criticizing human rights abuses like the genocide war cracking down on hong kong. It was always before by government. Who tried to to to basically kill these initiatives hungary is is where while very has its largest manufacturing base outside of china. The manufacturing five g. Technology here which are then exporting to. I don't know fifty countries or so a two out of three hungary. Mobile carriers have been contracting chinese vendors to roll out the five g. networks in the country. And what you just mentioned is that There's a chinese university based in shanghai called university which will establish his first overseas campus. In in europe in hungary paid by hungarian taxpayers. And it's bide lee seen as a as a political or or even more on intelligence Influence operation of china which is seen as a real threat to the whole nato alliance So given this victoria bam really needs to basically whitewash is image and use people like dr carson not to talk about his pro chinese and pro-russian policies but about migration families supporting Vite christian people instead of Of of helping poor muslim people who are who are fleeing persecution Civil wars so this is. This is just a distraction and and also it's again as i said it's it's to win over republicans in washington. Dc not a to join a certain efforts that would be detrimental to the government so the the other thing that's been in the news recently. The you were part of. Was this kind of global effort. That came to light in some investigative journalism about nso. The private israeli based surveillance outfit that was essentially surveilling a mix of journalists activists Basically opponents to variety of autocrats knowledge around the world. Your name came up in this right. A- what what. How did you become aware that you you might have been surveilled in targeted by this. Kind of global apparatus of nso. And what do you make of that. Yeah well. I had a very strange dual role in. This project called pegasus project. I was both investigating a how Pegasus military spiver was abused in hungary against targets and i was also a target of of the stool so we were working together with with visit to decide the guardian the washington post on trying to uncover mass abuses of the surveillance technology and it turned out that That i was also a surveilled with pegasus for seven months period. Back in two thousand. Nineteen when i was mostly investigating a certain russian influence operations in hungary Which we're not countered by By hungarian authorities and it really seemed to me that those who me we cannot directly say that it was the hunger in government but circumstantial evidence only point to them basically. There's no one else who would have been interested in what i was doing. Other journalists were doing So it seems that hunger and government was mostly interested in my my us sources. And what. I was writing about for example russian international bank. That was relocating. Its headquarters to budapest. And this bank was seen as a front for russian intelligence and there was a lot of criticism coming from the us embassy for example so so basically what we found is that there were at least four or five hundred journalists. Who are spied on with pegasus. We also had two very influential media company owners who were owning media outlets critical of the government and some opposition politicians showed up on this list And i have to stress. That hungary seems to be the only eu member state that Uses pegasus in obeyed. That's not legitimate. So this tool was invented to counter terrorism and and and to go after drug dealers but hungary seems to be the only you country very was used against political targets other countries. Involved in in such illegitimate surveillances were like mexico or saudi arabia. Togo ruanda so it's it's really shocking to see hungary on that list. And what has there been any reaction. I mean basically. It seems like this came out. The pakistan's project extraordinary reporting paints a picture of this kind of private outfit been utilized by range of authoritarian. Governments are actors A lot next to two gulf monarchy's or russia perhaps hungering government as you say but but what's been the response as i have you if you felt like Yeah this is just one more drop in the ocean and what we understand to be this kind of global drift towards authoritarianism Or do you feel like there's any any pushed back on on on groups like nso. Well i mean domestically It's a scandal of course The government is not even denying that they procured axis and the used it against journalists. Like myself what they claim is that The only conduct Legal and legitimate surveillance against targets. Meaning that there was a reason for surveilling me. And in pro government media they tried to smear me as a us agent as an agent of the cia or something like that. What we expect is that this will be Topic doing election campaign which is just heating up. We're having elections next next april. But i don't really see how there could be any legal challenge. How for example. I can secretly remedies for For the surveillance that spit on me But i i really i i. I'm really hopeful that this new a push for global regulation of such spiders like like pegasus. Who would come to something. Because that's the only way to to put an end to these things. The other thing is that it's it's. It's really obvious that pegasus was basically a gift. By the netanyahu government to certain allies in the gulf countries and also in hungary we see Basically that Netanyahu's visit to hungary back in two thousand seventeen and then a high-ranking or bamn officials visit to israel coincides with With the targeting of of pegasus and we also see this happening in india. So now that netanyahu's gone. Now that we have a new government in israel which is sad to conduct some internal investigation may be maybe something will come out of that and at least i hope that that hungary and other governments who clearly abused this technology will be cut off from using pegasus. Yeah i was struck. You know in in the when. I when i went to budapest you and Some of the other people i met with there had been spied on by black cube and another israeli based private intelligence outfit there. There's there seems kind of reoccurrence of kind of israeli based private intelligence whether it's nso or black cube. I in the case of block ube. This was around another election campaign where they were trying to target Civil society How do you explain. A i mean you and i talked about this book but the listeners. What this relationship was between rabbani. Netanyahu and that might have led to this kind of repeated use of of israeli based speiser surveillance outfits. Well there there was a very obvious. here Week to orban had a tarnished reputation because of anti semitic comments coming from his sparty. So benjamin netanyahu helped him with that Having the these road prime minister as your paul as your friend Defending you in public against such as. That's that's something. And then of course hungary not only of blogs and vetoes you statements that are critical of china russia but also critical a statements of israel so hungary became the most vocal pro israeli government inside the you now after the pegasus project investigation we also see that somehow spiral was also part of the deal Which was given By israel to hungary and also this this whole interconnected relationship between greed the trump white house and tanya who is also something that's that's That's really really interesting because what we see is that basically netanyahu held or bond to open doors in the white house. Arrange a visit to to trump So now that that both both allies are gone. you know old what's what's left for stuck your carson seriously merits further investigation that the those links Because their efforts to smear fiona hill trump administration official for instance by victoria. Bon lobbyists connie mack. But that's another story I wanna ask you before we wrap up your your obscene doing such great work in some of your colleagues but how would you describe What the state of hunger in media's today like how How much independent media there is versus appropriate as orban's party media How should we think about that. Well majority of hungary media is directly controlled by the government. They are not directly owned by the government bud by some very shady conglomerates which are seemingly nonprofit bought the board of advisers and the board of directors are all obama loyalists This means every local newspaper Most of the radios and tv's but we still do have some some free The event and other news media on the internet and as as i said Doing the pegasus project identified that very crucial media company owners have been spied on by the audubon government and one of them Embargo who owns Currently the largest hungering independent new site has been telling you about Blackmail pressure throughout the years. Coming from the obama government. They tried to pressure him to sell his media. portfolio to people close to the prime minister. So what we expect now that the election campaign is Is nearing is that such pressure. On on other media company will will just be bigger And we also see Very specific a smear campaigns dyer today journalist individually like myself and and others. We're going to be smeared as agents of As agents of the cia You name it and this is because we're going to have the first competitive elections. Since i believe two thousand six probably now hungary. Opposition has united They're gonna put out a joint populist and one candidate for prime minister who would be seen as the the main rival of viktor orban So the only way Forty or government to try to Vendor selection is basically to to try to to suppress the remainder of the free media so that there would be no airtime and those space Given to any other voice governments. Well we'd love to come back to you later in the election campaign. That's heating up to get your sense of that but but thanks so much for joining us. You guys are crowd funded in part at direct thirty six thirty six. It's it's a small nonprofit My my bosses used to be the the editor in chief and a senior investigative reporter of hungary's largest new site which is not now a propaganda tool of the government. they were fired and and they They left their job to establish a small nonprofit core dietary six so basically of your crowd funded through small donations. Well i you know k key people support it or is it just from within hungary. No no no. Of course we we publish everything in english as well so we so read your work in english but i i think i encourage listeners. Both to redirect thirty six Because as you can see several is reporting is not just about hungary. It's about the nexus of all these different forces and if people can can support you guys They should because it's important to make sure that that were backing Independent journalism everywhere. But thanks. thanks so much for joining us and we'll look for being back in touch. Thanks for being interested. Thanks again to job. Expanded for joining the show Thanks again to whoever purchases the first space add if it can be something less offensive than our guesses i guess that'd be good Ben thank your mets. Sorry about the philly series. Oh man yeah. This has been an epic mets collapse. Man and i was all excited to come to new york at the medicine. First place like they've fallen from. I push to third place in like a week. They can score more than two runs in a game. Players are dropping like flies is not good. It's just not right now it again. That's you know. I was going to go to a game. Yeah but Now that's we'll see. Yeah it's also going to be. It's getting really hot here. It's made me. I was there. It was like seventy degrees was perfect. I know cognizant believe it going god here. It's you know it's going to be cracking the ninety extra days. We'll see i'll try again for sure. I love going to mets games. Well i know the delta stuff socks in it's scary and everyone should be careful but it was good to see new york back. Seemed like people were out see was alive. All reports of it's premature demise. Were nonsense as we know at the time. So shout new york and it felt like It felt like it's back but also like people. Are you know everybody's outside every eating outside like feels a little bit more like pre vaccines days in terms of care. People are taking. That's a good thing. That's a good thing all right. Well that's it for today and we'll talk to you guys next week sit. The world is crooked media production. The executive producer is michael martinez. It's mixed and edited by andrew. Chadwick kyle seguin is our sound engineer. Thanks to our digital team. Elijah cone you'll free and phoebe bradford film and share episodes is videos each week.

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Were surprising i think the the depravity and the report you know exceeded i think even some of his critics view in my parents who liked his performance in kobe. Even a They were very much ready for this Step as well so we'll see yeah Good britain's governor Didn't really enjoy it while you're here but to watch you go. I don't know if that's the saying but well. Yeah and what's interesting is he again. He dominated new york state. So much like it's wide open. There's no obvious successor in the next election so be interesting to see. Yeah that will be a big election Speaking of big elections. Coming up this year If you listeners wanna get involved today and help out with future elections Help out grassroots organizers across the country go to vote save america dot com slash no off years all one word And if you live in california please fill out. Your recall ballot. I did it today. Vote no on the recall. Leave the rest blank. 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Who's a journalist. Who's been right in the middle of a couple stories you've been covering One is You know he was all over the authoritarian bromance fascist romance between tucker carlson and and his his new best friend. Viktor orban He's also been all over. The story of Victoria victorian opening the door to the chinese communist party to build a massive university in hungry. If you saw tommy that in the official transcript released by orban of his interview with tucker they they censored out. Yes tucker's criticism of of china which goes on who you know Who tucker wrapping his arms around there but also sabotage was Spied on by the nso outfit store. We covered a few weeks ago. He was one of the two hundred journalists who surveilled baracoa. So lots of talk about their while. We're gonna count those. I intercept calms towards our download numbers for the episode. Because i'm sure they'll be listening in his life so let's start enough ghanistan Because we talked about it last week. The things that actually gotten considerably worst since that time over the last few days. Seven provincial capital cities have been overrun by the taliban that includes cities in provinces in northern afghanistan. That have historically been anti-taliban where local warlords and militia groups managed to hold territory even when taliban-controlled kabul back in the late ninety s The afghan special forces are fighting heroically. They're doing all the heavy lifting but they are reportedly exhausted and in some cases literally out of food the regular army units are often retreating or disbanding. Or other she's not really fighting. The the fighting is moving. Further and further into urban areas. Civilian casualties are increasing. The taliban is also conducting a series of assassination campaigns against government and activists and civil society including an attack on the acting. Defense minister's home in a heavily-fortified neighborhood of kabul. That killed eight people not the defense minister. Luckily the us is still conducting air strikes on taliban targets but those flights are now beat outside of the country because us handed over bog remained base to the afghans. And i suspect that you know the air general. They are less useful If we're talking about urban combat you can't you know bomb. Urban targets so many stories are as devastating. People who worked with the us in in the nato are getting killed. Innocent civilians are getting killed. Thousands of afghans are getting displaced or forced to live under taliban control. last week. we talked about you. Know some criticism of biden for withdrawing quickly not doing enough i to get military interpreters and others who worked with us out of the country. I think that's a separate issue. It's valid one but what we're seeing. Today is a different story. I think these taliban military advances suggest that there's a bigger problem that the us has been ghanistan for twenty years. We spent trillions of dollars. More than twenty seven hundred service members have been killed over one hundred thousand. Afghans have been killed. But here's my question for you. i mean. Do you see results happening with. The taliban are taking over these capitals Doesn't tell us that like this core mission of training and equipping. The afghan military has just fundamentally failed. Yeah does i mean it really. I was thinking about what angle we could discuss your tommy Because as you said the news is the news and it's pretty clear that the taliban steadily-advancing even in places like you know the city of kunduz like not exactly their strongholds and to me people can make an indictment of biden's decision to leave and we can talk about that we have talked about that And the speed with which he left. But as you disillusioned to it's commandement of the entire theory of the case of this war effort not the destruction of al qaeda. I mean that was targeted michigan. Where you go in and you try to take out Certain terrorist safe havens ozzy that bled into pakistan but the model of training and financing this kind of massive afghan security force as as the entity that you could hand this over to I think that needs come under a lot of scrutiny. Because i think to allow extent you look at. Who's actually doing the bulk of the frontline fighting at see special forces as you say and there was kind of almost the size was the goal of the afghan national security forces right and in order for them to sustain just their basic operations in their logistics. They were hugely dependent. Not just on the us military but also on private security contractors who were performing some the basic functions for them and now that those private security contractors are also leaving. It's hard for the afghan nash security forces to to function to the idea of training kind of this massive military that you finance that has biden himself said in a recent press conference has more numbers more hardware than the taliban. But they're not like a cohesive tight fighting force you know clearly that didn't work iraq as we saw when mosul was overrun by isis And it hasn't worked you're either and so yeah. I think there's a you know there's gonna be a lot of efforts. Put into looking back. But i think one of the basic point here is that our capacity to to shape events in these distant countries that we don't understand that well that you know the. Us public doesn't have an appetite for staying for several decades that we sometimes sink a we can construct military and this size. It can get this amount of work done. You know that this is a lesson in the limits of what the us can accomplish through through military intervention itself And because even again even if we kept that small force there. The taliban was still advancing. They just weren't advancing at the speed. So thought like everything was was going well and then biden pulled out in the bottom fell out. It's like no everything was already deteriorating in that deterioration accelerated with this. Pull out an and again. I think that that should teach us that. You know the the the model where we think we can engineer. Events and other countries through military action know hasn't borne out in either rock guinness in something. We should take a lot of stock of twenty years after nine eleven. Yeah bill military in the saints of image as our own. Here's a question that i bet. The biden folks are debating right now. Which is you're seeing. These district capitals topple and topple quickly. There's real concern now about you. Weather kabul will be next or you know or or how quickly kabul I believe that right now. There are four thousand people working at the us embassy in kabul including fourteen hundred diplomats. There six hundred fifty. Us troops on the ground. Still defending the embassy. I believe that embassy compound is a fortress. But i mean at one point. Do you think the. Us government will start thinking about whether it's safe to have a diplomatic presence in afghanistan. Because i mean like it would look if i were serving their right now. It'd be pretty weird. Yeah i think at a certain point. They're clearly going to make a decision. What i think they hoped for in a best case scenario is that with the us withdraw. I think was inevitable. The taliban was gonna make some advances. But i think what they hope for is that the afghan government security forces could hold some territory and that some kind of stalemate would emerge that could then kinda be channelled into a diplomatic negotiation And in the current trajectory of events it's hard to see what the afghan government can't hold it all Maybe like an island of of kabul. But i think the hot the decide is in addition to kind of continued airstrikes. Are we prepared to deploy more military force to just keep kabul from falling so that at least there's some outpost of a different political force and military force in afghanistan. They can allow you to have some protracted effort to get negotiations. You're right now. It feels like With the current momentum you know it's very unlikely that That they can hold out and in kabul and some other cities but I you know that's gonna that's gonna bring some tough decisions in the white house as to whether you deploy some some at least more robust air power in a more sustained basis to create some hopefully some kind of perimeter around kabul. Yeah in the inside the white house make. It's there's no way they're sending troops back in just before we started recording zalmay khalilzad the us official leading the peace negotiations with taliban put statement where he warned the taliban that a government that takes power by force won't be recognized internationally. I mean maybe he's working with the best diplomatic stick. He has available to him. But i just. I can't imagine the taliban giving shit about that. No and look. The taliban wasn't recognized internationally by many countries back when it ruled afghanistan before nine eleven and that they didn't seem to give a shit about that and we've even seen in recent weeks you know. A taliban delegation received in china you know so there are countries that are going to deal with them As as a a if not a governing recognized government of afghanistan says like a an authority inside of afganistan. I do think to come back to this point. The we throw a few times but it can't be stressed enough like it's this question of who to try to evacuate. I think should not be restricted. Just to kind of military interpreters or just a people who work with meteoric relations as has been discussed but there are a lot of people that were usa. Id contractors or a lot of organizations that got grants from your side you to set up you know. Women's rights organizations human rights organizations. I really do think that if look if the biden team decided in. And it's a decision that you know you and i have expressed understanding of that that there's just diminishing returns for having us military presence at some point we're gonna have to leave. It's been twenty years. I do think that there's a higher threshold of responsibility to get as many people out who worked with us as possible and again not just people who are like employed by the military but people who were like started organizations that receive funding from the united states because we encourage them to stand up for women's rights or girls education or human rights B because you know when you think of the most horrific scenarios. It's it's the kind of mass retribution taken out on those people. Many of whom are based in kabul. And frankly if you are headed to a scenario where what you know. You're kind of hoping for And hope is not the best word for such a grim scenario but is it the that the taliban kind of once again discredits itself by the way rules and invites greater opposition to it over time. You need those people to stay alive. And those people who represent afghan civil society in an alternative future so that if things change and however many years that you have people that can go back and help put the pieces back together. So there's moral reasons in there also practical reasons why you'd want to save as many people as possible who've kind of participate in this project of of trying to have a an afghanistan that represents the rights of all its people not just taliban agenda. Yep okay that was a A very grim topics. Let's talk about something very stupid Which is mike pompeo. So failed former secretary of state. Mike pompeo is in the news Because of a missing bottle of whiskey. And i don't know if you saw this twenty nineteen The government japan gave pompeo a bottle of whisky. Worth fifty eight hundred dollars. Can't imagine paying that much for whiskey but the gift itself isn't that weird foreign governments often given the president Or give senior members of the president's staff these lavish gifts that basically immediately get recorded taken away by the state department and the recipient can either turn it over the national archives ever or buy back with their own personal cash but this special bottle booze went missing and mike pompeo was asked about best by fox news last week in a moment of accidental journalism by the fox news team of stuttered and stammered and said it never got to him. But if it had been diet coke would've drank. It was kind of the joke attempted. What's your take ben. Where's the bottle. Do you believe mike that he didn't just slug this thing down on the plane ride home so i mean first of all like just so people understand how this works like. I never get time. We went our first trip to saudi arabia in two thousand nine and arrive at my like little guest house that i was staying at each of the staff assigned to one and there was a suitcase full of jewels like villas encase opened into had like it had like you know like a necklace in a watch or i don't know what was in it and i thought that they were trying to bribe me because i was working the cairo guys. What the so go. My god i it. I just got this. But then pharaoh is staying in the same compound is mean. He got the exact same gift and then turn out. Everybody got a suitcase full drools and that's when the state department explain us. Oh no don't worry about it. We just take it you know. We'll let you know if you want to buy this. And i think it was valued at tens of thousands of dollars something. Nobody ever does that right. They gave you the chance to stash it in your bag Before telling you that. They knew that the jokes were in there. Yeah well bit like in. This happened again and again. Obama like de gifts. These gifts are given protocol office protocol office. So it's very weird about this right. Is it like normally. There wouldn't even be a question like the bottle of whisky would go to the state department protocol people just take it back and put it in whatever warehouse they put it in or i think maybe they sell some stuff for charity or something. So it's kind of odd peculiar that of all the gifts that might compare received and look like he gets them in every country. You go to you get some dumb gifts that the multi thousand dollar bottle of whiskies workers missing knowing pompeo. He's probably not the kinda guy that like had a good time with this whiskey. He probably re- gifted it to like some some coke brothers type donor you know. Look at the navy reserve time at the madison dinners. You know thought about that. I bet he got drunk and yelled at his staff which is what he does. I love this guy like throwing the state department of the boss because he kind of made another decided thing. About how like you know anybody. Fuck this up. Who's going to state department. What a great boss. Mike pompeo is like how'd you like to work guy. And he's throwing you under the bus every single thing that happens including the fact that he. He lost several thousand dollar bottle of whisky yet. You drank it you schlub. You drank it or you re gifted man come on. Yeah you're the worst Okay some news out of sudan so our friend. usa id administer. The power took a visit to sudan. Khartoum she gave a major speech. She announce additional humanitarian assistance and she also visited refugee camp that hosts ehthiopian who have been driven out of ethiopia because of the civil war there the conflict in tigray. Then some interesting these on top of that ben. Sudan's transitional government voted unanimously to join the international criminal court or icy see I'm sure this was a pretty remarkable trip for samantha. Who is you know. One of the world's experts on the genocide that happened in darfur visited there under very different circumstances longtime ago. Then what do you think. It would mean. If if sudan joined the i c c and people like former sudanese president omar up a sheer were handed over for prosecution. Like what are the stakes. There i mean. I it just be like a tremendous sign that the international justice can work like one of the reasons this is momentous for two reasons. One is on the international justice. Front bashir was kind of the poster boy of impunity for years because he'd been indicted by the icc and he kinda flaunted it was like screw and he kind of pressured other countries particularly in africa. To say don't cooperate with the ic continued deal with me and his ability to get away with that kind of undercut the credibility of the court. I think if he is prosecuted what that demonstrates is at some point is coming for you like you may evade this for five years ten years fifteen years. But whether you're the burmese who nta or whether your someone like bashir whoever you are like once you get tarred with that indictment like just because you gonna voted for a period of time doesn't mean the justice incoming and that's a very powerful message. I think it's also a reminder that like pretty extraordinary political vents happened in sudan. You know that you had this kind of mass mobilization for democracy. They successfully did ouseba. Shearer and did liter transitional government. Look there's huge challenges there they're still a pretty entrenched military. There's like some autocratic neighbors Particular friends in the gulf food like to to pour money in there and don't wanna see full democracy but you know things continue to progress somewhat in sudan it. It's a sign that that you know when people stand up and demand change like they can. They can see tangible results. you know. it's also a sign though that that very fragile transition. One of the things that's putting in a risk is as conflict you know next door in e ethiopia-eritrea our tree that risks kind of spreading and pulling in neighbors and and so it's yet another reason why people should be concerned about the direction events in. Yeah in and just before we started recording I saw that the ethiopian prime minister abiomed has called on civilians to join the army in the fight against the northern rebels in tigray You know the the rebels in the north had stages major offensive taking back a lot of territory that they lost. But you know calling on civilians to join the fighting. Seems like a very bad. Sign that this. This war is going to escalate and not end anytime soon. So it's something we should keep watching. It's a reminder that that these situations that are already tragic can get worse. I mean because the situation when everybody's turned in new combatant including civilians is a recipe for just a lot of suffering and instability. And and so the the the imperative of trying to get this into some peace process in some kind of ceasefire negotiation knew that the continues to be acute and and this is something that the biden administration and a lot of other governments and hopefully governments in africa. Step up because if you look at organizations like the african union which is based in ethiopia. You'll get all these neighbors Like kenya like important countries They're gonna suffer if this conflict continues to go off. The rails and so a lot of countries have a lot of interest at stake in preventing further deterioration. Here never mind. 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Speaking of a lot of countries having stake in preventing further deterioration. Let's talk about climate. Change because the intergovernmental panel on climate change where ipc released a massive new climate report that was based on analysis more than fourteen thousand different studies in paints a very bleak picture. So here's some key takeaways one. The report is just unequivocal about the fact that humans are warming the planet by burning fossil fuels and that the impact is being felt literally everywhere. The co two. We've released already has basically locked more warming and extreme weather for the next thirty years and the rate of change in in areas like sea level rise is happening more quickly than before so things accelerating if the world does nothing. The temperature could rise from three to six degrees celsius which would be catastrophic but if we are aggressive in a global effort to cut emissions that could limit global warming to one point five degrees celsius. There there's some hope here. you know. Just a personal. As i also hope that like industry is figuring out some way to pull carbon to the atmosphere to help with his effort but you know government cdot first so you know this study is especially valuable because it draws this link between extreme weather events and climate change. That is important is a lot of people don't do that. They don't think climate change impact them personally. But i think here's the big question the next. Un climate change conference is coming up in november. Do you think this report will do enough to get the world to come together and to act like enacted the scale. That's necessary because you know we've seen That not necessarily happen in some of the recent summits i mean. I had a lot of thoughts and feelings in reading the summaries of this report the first is. I don't think you can emphasize enough. How selfish reckless shortsighted and and really cruel. The climate denial ism in governments like our own has been over the years. I mean like what is it gonna look like to future generations at like donald trump stood up in like pull out of the paris agreement and said he cared about pittsburgh and not perez and ended it that our politics. I mean to do a little media chris. I'm here covers that as if it's like. Oh that's a valid political argument. You know like this evidence has been clear for decades and we've literally had people obstructing climate action not just refusing to join it but like even the infrastructure bill the pass a day. They had to pass a bill. That could get bipartisan support. The basically stripped out most of the important climate provisions because god forbid any even moderate. Republican would have to vote for that. That is gonna look insane I mean i don't like i. It's hard to get your mind negligence. Think the second point then that leads to his alike you know for for people who talk about foreign policy international relations you read report like that and you realize at some point we're going to wake up completely to this and this is going to be like the only thing that people do you know like the the issue that governments work on together the issue that the government has to be structured to deal with is going to be climate change for a period of decades in and you would hope that the combination extreme weather events that we've already had and the reports that have come out like this will make that moment now because what needs to happen at glasgow is there needs to be a transformation of the ambition that governments have in terms of the targets are setting transactions that they're taking so that they can literally transform the entire global economy into something that can leave the earth habitable. You know and that's gonna take government's spending money and having much stricter regulations that's gonna require people who invest money to only invest in clean energy. That's going to require all of us. Different choices about the types of places that we live in the types of energy that we use it. It's a whole of society effort that needs to start like yesterday Gloss cow will be an opportunity. But i'm not that optimistic that that we can get there. I think it does point to how important is for the second infrastructure. Bill the reconciliation bill to go through so that the us momentum we go there and we can say hey. We dispense x. Amount of money near transforming our energy grid So that we can meet you. Know the the goal of of being carbon-neutral by twenty fifty But we'll see we'll see if we can get done that that time you're also seeing some like certain near-term political fallout writing. These major fires in greece. In you know some people are blaming. Immigrants others are blaming turkey. Summer blaming corporate interests so like the spill over effect Into politics especially like right wing. Politics will be devastating. I'm gonna road test a slightly lighter message that people can use for the republican friends so according to some reports i read ben. Bad weather is forecasted to reduce france's wine production by thirty percent. this year. That weather in italy is going to reduce their output by ten percent. Winemakers and california are struggling to grow grapes and these heat waves. So here's a message for your drunk fox news watching relatives deal climate change or you cannot slug chardonnay and yell at me about certificate yet this thanksgiving you think that will work. I hope so. Except like i was thinking about this time. He's like it's so clear what's happening. It's so clear that would suffering extreme weather events because of this but if people won't even get vaccinated like to protect themselves why would they support national policies. That do i mean but again the we can do this. You know i mean we we like it's it's a problem with the solution in terms of policy can be pursued. Maybe i mean maybe that message can work. I mean i also think like again to remember that like it's going to require countries to say things like okay. We're going to trade with brazil. If burning down the amazon mike. It's going to take that kind of collective effort of like young kit voting off the island people that they refused to deal with this. Unfortunately the united states is often been the country refuses deal that whenever we've had a republican president but maybe the chardonnay can be a wakeup call. I don't know you know. I've tried something here. Burning to death on the lips though that that's what we're dealing with You mentioned cove it so some good news air. The pentagon announced that members of the us military will be required to get a cove in nineteen vaccines starting in mid september. That timeline gives the fda the chance to complete its inexplicably long process and give final approval to the pfizer vaccine. So the secretary defense. Lloyd austin frame. The issue is impacting military readiness saying quote to defend this nation. We need a healthy ready. Force seems obvious. President biden backs plan so the pentagon says more than one million troops are fully vaccinated Another two hundred and thirty seven thousand more have had one shot. The navy is doing the best i. In terms of the service branches they have the highest percentage of active and reserve sailors vaccinated with seventy four percent. Having gotten one shot. The army is bringing up the rear with closer to fifty percent vaccinated. Servicemembers are already required to get lots of other vaccines. The exact list depends on your location. So this seems like a good step And a piece of the puzzle that will get us closer to having the federal workforce in country vaccinated. But like here's my question. Free ben do you think dod will actually punish the few holdouts who refused to take it and d. worried all that those people become like right wing celebrities. Once it happens. I mean you can guarantee that they'll be some like you know marjorie taylor. Green press conferences with some soldier who refuses to take a vaccine. They'll be doing cross. Vam not getting jab. Yeah i think that this is great leadership by dod. I mean as the most respected institution in the country like for them to to take the step with so many people in that institution. That's what they should. They should be like at the at the forefront of modeling the kind of behavior that we should see in other institutions right So lloyd austin has been look you know there's things we've criticized about some some foreign and defense policies on these matters have kind of personnel. He deserves a lot of credit like they've taken steps to to you. Know they take sexual assault cases out of the chain of command to ensure better justice for victims and survivors A huge debt. That was long overdue. They restored the rights of transgender people to serve. The military are Taking the step on vaccines like You know you're definitely seeing a lot of integrity and a lot of leadership from dod on how it's an approaching You its own behavior as an institution in what. That's modeling for the rest of society so like definitely typic- cap there but you're deafening in have Some dead enders. You know making common cause with matt gaetz and tucker carlson and merger taylor i can already feel the press coverage is Some dumber cova news along those same lines of Green so some anti vaccine activists in the uk tried to storm the offices of the bbc. Because they were now. I love this. I love this. The bbc was occur urging people to get the krona virus vaccine But unfortunately they stormed the wrong address. they entered a building tried to enter a building the now houses apartments restaurants and studios that make daytime talk. Show so great work. They're the best is it. They the whole premise of them storming the bbc was that they done the research about kerr fucking back scene. And then they hadn't even done enough research to know that the bbc wasn't in this building and had been there for years. I mean like i just. Maybe you're not doing the research guys. Like maybe maybe resources on five jeered microchips in the vaccine are the same sources that led you to think that the bbc's in a building hasn't been in a few years. Yeah maybe not so much. Louder with crowder The washington post had a good. Write up of the whole incident ben and noted in this story. I missed this two men at an anti kobe. Lockdown protests in sydney australia last month were arrested and charged because they punched a police horse. So great stuff happening at the anti vacs protests offer ends. I mean come on. Can we just laugh the horses. At least i mean it's bad enough that you guys gonna put us all rich. I wanna be there. You know like they don't to be there. i mean. give me a break that actually these could to our olympic section b.'s olympics are over there fun while they lasted the paralympics are starting so we can also get our fix of grade competition. There was also a horse punching incident. I believe in one of the events that i don't understand that involves like seven different things including horses jumping over shit but the thing i wanted to flag for you then is Apparently chinese state media are trying to claim that china actually beat the us when it comes to the total medal count come by claiming that medals won by taiwan. Hong kong belong to china. You're all right okay. Come on guys. I mean well first of all they were doing. Endzone dances like halfway through the competition about their lead in in the gold medal. Count and i'm sorry you guys just couldn't get it done. I mean i'm sorry that like we clips you in the final days because our extraordinary us women won another gold medal. Basketball senator men of course We racked up the medals and track like we always do like just deal with it right. And now you're going to tell me that you're gonna count like taiwanese medals the people that want nothing to do with you. Because they're so appalled by what you've done in hong kong like give me a fucking break and you know putting aside the jingoistic olympics tree leading here. We're we're we're entering into like what's going to be a pretty intense year of debate about the the beijing winter olympics in two thousand twenty two noon. Yeah yeah that's that's looming out there. 'cause like you you can bet there's gonna be growing calls to to boycott that or or to release downscale participation in some fashion so but for the time being like like we won just deal with it like scoreboard is what it is you know. Get a weird aside here I don't know if you saw the women's diving competition. The chinese women are incredible. There's some of those like some of the highest scores ever in the history of diving. But i just. I found it really odd. That like these are thirteen-year-old kits getting pushed literally off a a high dive enforced to train for the olympics on something about it just seemed off of a kid young being forced to train like that. Yeah i mean. Look the china thing respectively. Well here's the thing like. I've a lot of respect for chinese athletes like there's some extraordinary athletes. I love watching. I like watching that. All the countries. I liked it. We win the medal count but like i am happy with other countries medals. There is something. Like i don't put it this way. If we had not won the medal count. I wouldn't really have given that much of a shit. You know what i mean like like would say like. It shouldn't matter that much. You know what i mean. And you get the sense. You used to get the sense in the soviet union days that there's kind of maniacal focus on pushing these athletes and and often that led to doping right and like like. It's supposed to be fun you know. It's all these weird sports and when you look at the american athletes. It's these people that you know. They've been doing diving. Where they've been doing gymnastics or they've been doing waterpolo since they were little kids. You know and they just happen to be good at it when there were five and and they went into some programs and there was really good. But i don't get the sense that like the. Us olympic committee. Is you know like sitting there trying to program athletes from some young age too so they can map out what the metal counts going to be for a twelve years from now. If we are doing that we shouldn't be. I mean it's supposed to be fun and and yes while there's a professionalization of somebody's sports like most is pretty amateur. Speaking which you mentioned equestrian like do you feel old realizing that like bruce springsteen's daughter one like an olympic medal in the question like i had no idea that that bruce had a daughter who is like an olympic athlete. You know. I mean good for the boss i do. Think the equestrian suffolk look. It's cool. I guess i don't know. Just sorta seems like kids who can afford. The best horse are gonna win. No well you know springsteen sultan albums. And i'm sure she had this right. I mean yeah like we went through this with mitt romney Beverly bloomberg's daughter was a really good bloomberg's daughter. Romney had that dressage for reform. Which right very helped us in the two thousand twelve election. But yeah i like. Let's just keep the olympics We can. i'm looking forward to paris. That'll be a cool. Venue will next two summer olympics paris in la and not much about politics except unless the the chinese are boycotting the olympics in two thousand twenty eight will see you know we'll see Okay my final story. I want to find for you. Ben is so stupid that i kind of wonder whether it's fake so business insider reported that a canadian startup is working with spacex elon. Musk company to build a satellite with a pixelated display screen that can display advertising logos arguing. Whatever you want on i guess. And then they're gonna launch an inch or so. We'll have space ads so from there. A selfie stick will display livestream. Whatever is on the screen to youtube. In twitch this monument to i guess capitalism and human stupidity is supposed to pollute our skies sometime in twenty twenty. Two people will be able to buy ads with various cryptocurrencies. Because of course that's perfect. Yes yes so. Here's my question. What idiotic nonsense do you think. It's displayed i. Is it gonna be like a doj coin meam some sort of genitalia. Like how can we. Can we get this thing. Well i think it'll be like the you know crypto utopian late stage capitalists kind of messaging. Right i mean like honestly if you if you tried to write a dystopia and book about capitalism going to space like fifty years ago and came up with the premise that in twenty the twenty twenty space would become a place where billionaires have dick measuring contests. About how high up they can go and rockets that they paid for personally and then crypto guys. We're broadcasting adds that the that that aliens like. What does the impression that we're giving these ailing civilizations who are studying us you know. Can you matter thing that they're looking at us from like a couple of galaxies over there some really smart beings who've been studying us like you know like mice in you know in a laboratory and what they see is climate change happening. They see these people burning this beautiful planet. They have while billionaires flying up into space and then figure out ways to sell advertising there rather than dealing with the climate crisis like can we just get the priorities in the right order cannot be compatible with capitalism. Please because of it's not like we are going to burn ourselves to death ear building satellites with southeast. What what's your money on for the first at I'm i'm assuming some sort of to peanuts. Drawing would be my money but you mentioned like techno utopian. So jack dorsey tweeted. Yesterday actually wrote this down. Bitcoin will unite a deeply divided country and eventually world of the end of his tweet and maybe so unbelievably mad. Because i just finished an ugly truth. Which is the new york times reporter book facebook in a details all the ways that the silicon valley naive techno utopianism lead to decisions and real world. Harm like doing nothing but hate speech and the us. Burma anti vaccine disenfranchised cetera. In like actually. Like jack dorsey. I think he's smart and he's seems like a good person but these same guys now wants to trust them when it comes to creating like digital currency or artificial intelligence or whatever the next thing is in like i don't think they realize how pissed off people are advantage. How little they deserve our trust in like i'm just i'm done with taking his gospel. Cultish belief that whatever. Some tech ceo says is accurate especially when they have like a clear financial interest in us believing their bullshit whether it's space or bitcoin. I know a bitcoin grows are gonna yell at us. Always do in twitter but like give me a break. y- i like the cautionary the world. Yeah but the cautionary note. I'd say like to this crypto. Utopianism is is the same when you did which is techno utopianism is not worked out. Well you know and there might be some good things about crypto in the same way that there's some good things about social media but you know when you allow yourself to be convinced that you have the answer to all the world's problems whether you're in politics or your entrepreneur tends to lead to some pretty difficult places and look the reality of this too is. I've been going a little bit deeper in this recently. You know there's some interesting things about crypto right but the totalitarian governments china are not just going to sit there and The argument is this could be a way that dissidents in china can have different currency. Or the already. You've seen the chinese say we're not going to deal with bitcoin. We're gonna start our own minds we're gonna set up our own crypto because of course that's what they're gonna do that's what any totalitarian governments going to do and then of course with the. Us governments can do and say we're going to have to regulate this because we don't know what people are laundering through this. Who's washing dirty money through this. Never mind that's not tax and so it starts to migrate to the kind of offshore haven type places and and and yeah like i think that the the point for the crypto people before they yell at us like make your case. There's some good arguments about the potential for crypto but this has not been thought through in a way that deals with the reality of the world as it is you know and and Yeah i saw that tweet. And i saw you kind of take that on. 'cause i get jack. Dorsey is usually slightly more thoughtful. Guy than than some of these other tech guys. But y- years this tendency to kind of hype. Whatever the next ideas without leveling with the downside risks and there's always downside risk and here's the downside risks for clear like this can be manipulated by criminals commute to launder money. Like just you have to deal with that right. Make your case like there's no circumstance in which going to unite a deeply divided country. It's bitcoin man. It's just it's just. I mean it can unite to shut up. It's like crypto investors. You know like yeah. But then jack dorsey and his summer house. He'll point then. Because you're gonna have these guys who you know running up the price and then crashing it. So they can make money like i don't know i feel like that's just eating just rain it. Just chill with the hyperbole. That's another venue for capitalism. That's what it is. I mean you just don't Okay we are going to take a quick break. We come back. We will hear ben's interview about hungary and viktor orban's in tucker carlson and the awful Uniting of these right wing schmucks globally so stick around for that. The world is brought to you by sun basket i discovered. I'm much better at eating fancy food than i am cooking it. 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Bond and some of the you know connections between or bond and other authoritarian movements In russia in china in the us And unfortunately there's been a lot more evidence for that That thesis in recent weeks. Some of which involves you personally so i wanna work through each of those. We'll start with the thing that's been in the news here which is tucker carlson. Who's emerged gonna the most prominent right wing commentator in america making this kind of week long pilgrimage to budapest What was the reaction to tucker carlson's visit in budapest. How did someone like you and and people there Take this this interest. From from tucker. Carlson victoria bond yet. I mean daca. Carson is absolutely unknown to hungarian audience. Obviously so his was. It was not about not about hungary or hungary hungering people. It was about the us audience or an international audience. It was a pr bure stunt. It was pretty obvious. I mean you can compare his visit to. I don't know jalen performing at the birthday party of too many stan's dictator or kanye west singing at at the wedding party of of the kazakh president's grandson. And stuff like that so meaning that. This is a vanity project for two orban to try to bring to hungary these so-called so-called western intellectuals right-wing thinkers as they label them because frankly that your government is increasingly alienated with trump. Gone with benjamin. Netanyahu gone with bolsonaro in brazil struggling with all these ideological allies Seem to be Their fortunes seemed to be fading. So it's pretty important for Still show that there's international support behind him that this populist right-wing veve that has been writing is still existing ban on famously labelled or bias trump before trump. Now it seems that now that trump has gone and all these other people are on the verge of of losing power Suddenly the whole world is just a shrinking for and so bringing parson is is just a show force. I believe you. And i talked about right. His effort to beat the vanguard The forefront of of this kind of right wing nationalist authoritarian movement Particularly in the west. You know what he calls illiberal democracy and so clearly you can see why having tucker carlson their advances that sense of who he is and as you say might might try to suggest hunger and people that they're still momentum for it even after you know the. Us election went the way it did. But orban's up for reelection next year Do you think this helped. Does this help him with with hunger and boaters to be seen. Is this kind of global figure of the far right or is it. Something that appeals to his vanity. I think it's It it it i mean carson and bringing him to hungary the bills to republicans in the us It's not about the domestic audience. It's not about winning votes. in hungary. it's about trying to dismantle this this bipartisanship in in in the us which is really a risk to orban. Meaning china so that the whole china policy That's that's been pursued. Both by the trump administration and by biden administration is a real risk to to orban who's been establishing hungary as which had chinese influence in the region and His his main foreign policy goal in the us is to try to dismantle. Bipartisan efforts Critical of the hungarian government and the only way to do that is to win over some republicans most see on the fringes of the republican party. Like the rohrabacher or or Bogelsong from arizona. These are some figures that Hungering government has been trying to court in recent years. So it's it's it's about mitigating. The risks of what consequences will bring to victoria. Government if he pursues this pro chinese pro-russian trajectory that his being you mentioned china. You know it was interesting to notice that In the official transcript of the interview released with victoria oregon by the pharmacy. Orban's office they. They censored out some of tucker carlson's criticism of the chinese communist party in a question to victoria bond. When you and i spoke for my book you talk to me about some investigative work you've done and just kind of your understanding of how we're about headed invited china in terms of being part of the belt road initiative civic vacant get kind of a made in the eu stamp on things Including my way The chinese tech giant. You've also subsequently done some great reporting on this university That orban's invited the chinese to set up a in budapest notable. He kicked out. The george soros funded university and is invited in this chinese communist party. Funded university can you just explain to our listeners. Who probably aren't familiar with this. That the nature of orban's relationship with the chinese communist party in particular this this university that he has plans for sure. I mean you know. Hungary has become the most vocally pro chinese country in the european union hungary's not the most important trade partner of china in the eu of course but hungary hungering government has been Basically vetoing any kind of a statement that brussels tried to put out criticizing human rights abuses like the genocide war cracking down on hong kong. It was always before by government. Who tried to to to basically kill these initiatives hungary is is where while very has its largest manufacturing base outside of china. The manufacturing five g. Technology here which are then exporting to. I don't know fifty countries or so a two out of three hungary. Mobile carriers have been contracting chinese vendors to roll out the five g. networks in the country. And what you just mentioned is that There's a chinese university based in shanghai called university which will establish his first overseas campus. In in europe in hungary paid by hungarian taxpayers. And it's bide lee seen as a as a political or or even more on intelligence Influence operation of china which is seen as a real threat to the whole nato alliance so given this victoria bam really needs to basically whitewash is image and use people like dr carson not to talk about his pro chinese and pro-russian policies but about migration families supporting Vite christian people instead of Of of helping poor muslim people who are who are fleeing persecution Civil wars so this is. This is just a distraction and and also it's again as i said it's it's to win over republicans in washington. Dc not a to join a certain efforts that would be detrimental to the government so the other thing that's been in the news recently. The you were part of was this kind of global effort that came to light in some investigative journalism about nso. The private israeli based surveillance outfit that was essentially surveilling a mix of journalists activists Basically opponents to variety of autocrats knowledge around the world. Your name came up in this right. A- whoa whoa. How did you become aware that you you might have been surveilled in targeted by this. Kind of global apparatus of nso. And what do you make of that. Yeah well. I had a very strange dual role in. This project called pegasus project. I was both investigating a how Pegasus military spiver was abused in hungary against targets and i was also a target of of the stool so we were working together with with visit to decide the guardian the washington post on trying to uncover mass abuses of the surveillance technology and it turned out that That i was also a surveilled with pegasus for seven months period. Back in two thousand. Nineteen when i was mostly investigating a certain russian influence operations in hungary Which we're not countered by By hungarian authorities and it really seemed to me that those who me we cannot directly say that it was the hunger in government but circumstantial evidence only point to them basically. There's no one else who would have been interested in what i was doing. Other journalists were doing So it seems that hunger and government was mostly interested in my my us sources. And what. I was writing about for example russian international bank. That was relocating. Its headquarters to budapest. And this bank was seen as a front for russian intelligence and there was a lot of criticism coming from the us embassy for example so so basically what we found is that there were at least four or five hundred journalists. Who are spied on with pegasus. We also had two very influential media company owners who were owning media outlets critical of the government and some opposition politicians showed up on this list And i have to stress. That hungary seems to be the only eu member state that Uses pegasus in obeyed. That's not legitimate. So this tool was invented to counter terrorism and and and to go after drug dealers but hungary seems to be the only you country very was used against political targets other countries. Involved in in such illegitimate surveillances were like mexico or saudi arabia. Togo ruanda so it's it's really shocking to see hungary on that list. And what has there been any reaction. I mean basically. It seems like this came out. The pakistan's project extraordinary reporting paints a picture of this kind of private had been utilized by range of authoritarian. Governments are actors A lot next to two gulf monarchy's or russia perhaps hungering government as you say but but what's been the response as i have you if you felt like This is just one more drop in the ocean and what we understand to be this kind of global drift towards authoritarianism Or do you feel like there's any any back on on on groups like nso. well i mean domestically It's a scandal. Of course the hungarian government is not even denying that they procured axis and the used it against journalists like myself. what they claim is that The only conduct Legal and legitimate surveillance against targets. Meaning that there was a reason for surveilling me. And in pro government media they tried to smear me as a us agent as an agent of the cia or something like that. What we expect is that this will be Topic doing election campaign which is just heating up. We're having elections next next april. But i don't really see how there could be any legal challenge. How for example. I can secretly remedies for For the surveillance that spit on me But i i really i i. I'm really hopeful that this new Push for global regulation of such spiders like like pegasus. Who would come to something. Because that's the only way to to put an end to these things. The other thing is that it's it's. It's really obvious that pegasus was basically a gift. By the netanyahu government to certain allies in the gulf countries and also in hungary we see Basically that Netanyahu's visit to hungary back in two thousand seventeen and then a high-ranking or bamn officials visit to israel coincides with With the targeting of of pegasus and we also see this happening in india. So now that netanyahu's gone. Now that we have a new government in israel which is sad to conduct some internal investigation may be maybe something will come out of that and at least i hope that that hungary and other governments who clearly abused this technology will be cut off from using pegasus. Yeah i was struck. You know in in the when. I when i went to budapest you and Some of the other people i met with there had been spied on by black cube and another israeli based private intelligence outfit. The there's there seems kind of reoccurrence of kind of israeli based private intelligence whether it's nso or black ube I in the case of block. Ube this was around another election campaign where they were trying to target Civil society How do you explain. A i mean you and i talked about this book but the listeners. What this relationship was between rabbani. Netanyahu and that might have led to this kind of repeated use of of israeli based speiser surveillance outfits. Well there there was a very obvious. here Week to orban had a tarnished reputation because of anti semitic comments coming from his sparty. So benjamin netanyahu helped him with that Having the these road prime minister as your paul as your friend Defending you in public against such as. That's that's something. And then of course. Hungary only a blogs and vetoes. You statements that are critical of china russia but also critical a statements of israel so hungary became the most vocal pro israeli government inside the you now after the pegasus project investigation we also see that somehow spiral was also part of the deal Which was given By israel to hungary and also this this whole interconnected relationship between greed the trump white house and tanya who is also something that's that's That's really really interesting because what we see is that basically netanyahu held or bond to open doors in the white house. Arrange a visit to to trump So now that that both both allies are gone. you know old what's what's left for stuck your carson. Yeah yeah seriously. I think merits further investigation. That the those links Because their efforts to smear fiona hill trump administration official for instance by victoria. Bon lobbyists connie mack. But that's another story I wanna ask you before we wrap up. You're just you're obviously doing such great work in some of your colleagues. But how would you describe What the state of hunger in medias today like how how much independent media there is versus appropriate as orban's party media How should we think about that. Well majority of hungary media is directly controlled by the government. They are not directly owned by the government bud by some very shady conglomerates which are seemingly nonprofit bought the board of advisers and the board of directors are all obama loyalists This means every local newspaper Most of the radios and tv's but we still do have some some free The event and other news media on the internet and as as i said Doing the pegasus project. We identified that. Very crucial media. Company owners have been spied on by the audubon government and one of them Embargo who owns Currency two largest hungering independent new site has been telling you about Blackmail pressure throughout the years. Coming from the obama government. They tried to pressure him to sell his media. portfolio to people close to the prime minister. So what we expect now that the election campaign is Is nearing is that such pressure. On on other media company will will just be bigger And we also see Very specific a smear campaigns dyer today journalist individually like myself and and others. We're going to be smeared as agents of As agents of the cia You name it and this is because we're going to have the first competitive elections. Since i believe two thousand six probably now hungary. Opposition has united They're gonna put out a joint populist and one candidate for prime minister who would be seen as the the main rival of viktor orban So the only way Forty or government to try to Vendor selection is basically to to try to to suppress the remainder of the free media so that there would be no airtime and those space Given to any other voice governments. Well we'd love to come back to you later in the election campaign. That's heating up to get your sense of that but but thanks so much for joining us. You guys are crowd funded in part at direct thirty six thirty six. It's it's a small nonprofit My my bosses used to be the the editor in chief and a senior investigative reporter of hungary's largest new site which is not now a propaganda tool of the government. they were fired and and they They left their job to establish a small nonprofit core dietary six so basically of your crowd funded through small donations. Well i you know k key people support it or is it just from within hungary. No no no. Of course we we publish everything in english as well so we so read your work in english but i i think i encourage listeners. Both to redirect thirty six Because as you can see several is reporting is not just about hungary. It's about the nexus of all these different forces and if people can can support you guys They should because it's important to make sure that that were backing Independent journalism everywhere. But thanks. thanks so much for joining us and we'll look for being back in touch. Thanks for being interested. Thanks again to job. Expanded for joining the show Thanks again to whoever purchases the first space add if it can be something less offensive than our guesses i guess that'd be good Ben thank your mets. Sorry about the philly series. Oh man yeah. This has been an epic mets collapse. Man and i was all excited to come to new york at the medicine. First place like they've fallen from. I push to third place in like a week. They can score more than two runs in a game. Players are dropping like flies is not good. It's just not right now it again. That's you know. I was going to go to a game. Yeah but Now that's we'll see. Yeah it's also going to be. It's getting really hot here. 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2021 US Open Draw Preview: Women's Singles Event

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2021 US Open Draw Preview: Women's Singles Event

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We're going to talk about the best first round matchups the seats on up settler the dark horse players you should be watching for and so much for ages of course crack brackets favorite jamie macdonald joining me on today show to do just that so without further ado. Westoff roll the credits. Let's get to our draw preview joining us on the show today to help break down the women's singles draw at the twenty twenty one. Us open you know him as our crack brackets to everything a former denizen tennis. Great a rising coach in the college tennis ranks. Of course the head coach of the men's and women's team at rockhurst. It's our friend. James foster mcdonald's jamie welcome back to the show. How are you doing to that domain. Just another year getting excited for the. us open. I feel like we've done this drop preview so many times now but it's really only been a few of them. I think we just got down to a science. Oh happy to do it again. There's no doubt about that. Of course it is the final grand slam of twenty twenty one. It's crazy to say that jamie. It's you know you think back to. I guess even six months ago there was so much uncertainty surrounding the australian. Open all the players flying down there having to be in the bubble quarantining for a couple of weeks while trying to train. We thought there was no way after that we were going to get a full tennis calendar and yet we got atlanta. We got the city open. We got los capos. We obviously got the two masters events in canada and cincinnati as well. It's been a full schedule here. San jose was played of course on the women's side. Cleveland chicago over these past couple of weeks. We have gotten to see like a full schedule of action and as tennis fans. That's all we could ask for coming off the pandemic season entering here in twenty twenty one with all of that said despite all of the tennis. we've seen jamie. Uncertainty is the name of the game in particular when you're discussing the women's singles draw as we are today. I have some stats for you before we get into our action before we play a quick game of guests. The lines breakdown of the draw. But you look at the events we've seen thus far on the wj toured the season. There have been forty four different events. Jamie thirty one different winners. Only six players have won multiple. Titles you have ashley barty with five barbara. Crunchy cova with three. You then have cassock kina sh beyond tax sap elanca and danielle collins each with two titles parodies been the name of the game and i guess my first question to you before we get into the nitty gritty of the draw. Do expect anything different here over the next two weeks in new york. I mean i think we always tend to look the majors and say okay who has really risen above so at party having those five titles. Okay yeah there's a couple of solidified favorites at the top but outside of a couple of those people. Do we expect everything in his drawer. Chalk absolutely not. we've seen it time and time again. Where yes someone's favourite in a first round second round match. That looks pretty pedestrian. Looks like it should be pretty straightforward. And it's just not so. I would say up into a point one hundred percent but i will say coming into this. You mentioned osaka know. It doesn't seem like she has the momentum. But you think about the last couple of hardcore slams you mentioned at forty been in phenomenal form of what she's been able to do it pretty much any level of vinci place. It's interesting right. So i think under those top few contenders absolutely. I think anything can happen. We'll see a lot of scrambling around in results. But at the top. I i do still expect some of those favorites and particularly ash marty to remain at the top and potentially push through to another title here and with that in mind jimmy. I want to turn to our friends at draft kings. Play a little game of guests the lines. Because i do think it's interesting to see where oddsmakers have the favorite sat right now in terms of entering this twenty twenty one. Us open in the women's singles event. They have to say rather prohibitive favorites before a big drop off in the lines. Now i have them in front of me. You do not so. Let's play little guessing game. Jamie who do you think right. Now are the top two prohibitive favorites. What do you think they're the odds are as well. So i'm guessing at the top two or ashford in asaka. That is correct. Gari osaka number one. Can you guess who's one who's to the odds are i would put bardy as one. Maybe plus three ten okay. It'll make you guess the other one then any vance plus and then let's say plus four hundred for asaka so bardy you nailed it plus three thirty right now. She is your number one favorite bravo. Hey great shot to you to osaka. Plus six hundred so there is hesitancy around her. That probably has the valid yes. You just hasn't played a lot of matches here in two thousand twenty one now. Having watched the way. Jill teichmann rip through that western southern drawl actually thought that three-set loss from osaka she played. Well she served poor. And i actually think that's worth noting because teichmann was outstanding in osaka before the final came closest to beating her and i think if osaka makes even fifty three percent of her first serves instead of the forty eight forty nine percents she was at. She probably wins that match in. You know again. We saw her come in. No one had match play but neither did she and she ripped through the us open last year. We saw her do the same thing in australia. This fall that plus six hundred numbers awfully tasty. it's tempting. it's tempting. Especially because i do feel like of everything we know about the w t to a right now. The single most dominant force still in my mind is nio moussaka when she plays her best on a hardcore now that said seven and one of the top ten fourteen in one verse the top twenty it also is pretty tough to doubt absolutely bardy. I think those are your two favorites. We talked about it in our contenders podcast. But i dunno asaka plus six hundred. I agree with you. I think that's too high. Yeah i was expecting in the four hundred. Maybe plus five hundred at the top Seems a little high. But again i i. I don't know if i would take it He knows that. I well plus extenuating but again. Yeah i might bet on both and just ride with that from there but can you fill out the rest of the top five. And i'll say this there are seven people top tied in the top five. Okay seven time. The top five yeah. How's it even so many people tied for fifth. Okay got Next i would say sanca sampling linka plus fourteen hundred which is a big drop off. That is a huge trump plush. Dhruva plus cova is tied for fifth. Plus seventeen hundred. So there's someone else in there. There is someone sandwiched in between a surprising. Someone yeah Who would be that high up. I know i was surprised by this name. This is the one that stood out to me even at these ads. Which by the way reflect. She's plus sixteen hundred. People don't really think she's going to win it. I honestly don't know. I should not have alip simona. Halif fuss sixteen hundred is. She's what the twelve seed something like. That sounds about right best. I mean deaths. That's surprising doesn't she. Has pretty tough little section of driving Hormone for georgia. I first-round dad's majority justice on a roll. So yeah that's tough yet. that's interesting it's interesting and we'll get into quarter winners as we break through each of the draw you're tied for fifth krejci cova beyond tech and plus all at plus seventeen hundred so again that's a broad framework. Our girl are being russa. Plus twenty five hundred. that's the value bat. That's the one to me. I guess. I'm looking down this list. What do you think of these. Valujet's i take mugabe. Twenty five to one. I'll take danielle collins. Thirty two one ear strolling money away. Am i if daniel cows place her best tennis for two weeks. Can she win this event. Yeah but that's what you could say that about half the best. She can point but thirty or thirty to one. I've spent a dollar in a worse way But now i it's again. It speaks to the parody and these are all things we previewed of course over the course of the week on the great show podcast and again. That's just a more broad framework what we're going to do now go through each section of the drought here as we look at this twenty twenty one. Us open women's singles event. We're going to answer four questions in each section of the drought. We're gonna talk about the most interesting first matchups we're going to give the seeds. We have on upset alert. We're gonna talk about the dark horses. We think can make a run throughout the course of these two weeks in new york and then of course. It's a preview podcast. We're going to give our predictions for each quarter again. We're going to break down. The bardy section plus a section asakusa section and sabah lenka over the course of this next Podcast so of course. If you want to skip ahead you can do that. We're going to go from top to bottom here throughout the course of the draw with that sad jamie. Let's start at the top with number one seed ashley party. Look for bardy. I mean we said the stats so frequently here over the course of the past week. I have memorized at this point. She's made won five titles made six finals in twelve total events. Here this season she's won. Titles on clay courts hardcourts grass courts. Heard mugabe the only two players this season to have made quarterfinals at multiple grand slam events. Of course we saw how dominant she was over. The course of run to the western southern open title right now. She is a three thousand point. Lead jamie in the wgn rankings. And it's not like she's got four thousand in everyone else's trailing behind now she's got over ten thousand points she is the prohibitive number one player in the world. You look at the other seeds joining her in her. Section of the draw for ashley bardy. She's got As her top eight seed in her section number seven seed iga tactic also got a net. Kante twenty eight c just pa- geula twenty three olympic. Gold medalist belinda bench. A number eleven. You've got jennifer brady. Who of course. Australian open finalist your number thirteen seed mugabe. Twenty two couture matova twenty nine. You'll say this about every section and looking at these. Debbie tay draws particularly the first round. Now you can laugh and be like we just got to see. All these matches spread out over six days. What is to be a pretty good tournament. But jamie you look at this section of the draw. I suppose we start just with the most interesting match ups here. What caught your eye right away. Yeah i'll be honest with you. This quarter is not my favorite first round matches But the one that speaks to me right off. The bat is events revest hormel. I think if you're going to pick one first-round match to watch. That might actually have implications for later in the tournament as well. I think that's the one you a circle. Yeah i i mean that's a good one. There are plenty of good ones. You look through this. I think from you know the young name standpoints. One of the storylines people will inevitably here amerada k. new She's taken on jennifer. Brady you look for mccain. Who in the fourth round of wimbledon. She just made a big run It through qualified to into her first. Us open here. She's taking on an injured jennifer bryan. We know jennifer brady plays. Her best on a hardcore cheek can compete with and beat the very best in the women's in. She's not at her best right now. She isn't healthy. And so i think that's a match. You have on upset alert. I would also say saronic her. I think she's one of like eight people who've made the third rounded all three majors this year. And i know that's very specific category but she's been consistent throughout the first week of the grand slams. That's how you sustain yourself a top fifty ranking that's how you make a living and likud motto started the season so hot on the how hard court she makes final of abu dhabi. She wins the event on the green clay in charleston. She struggled since then so i. This is a really interesting match. If you're veronica cooter matova just get a couple of winds here under under your belt. Of course. I mean you look up and down this straw. I think a crack racket specials egos contact versus jamie loeb. Now that's a tough match-up for goose fantasma pa- jamie lobe former. Nca champions back into the main draw since she won or earned the wildcard with that nta title. At obviously a match will be watching closely. But you're right from a first round perspective. It's not the most eye-popping one now. Of course that's saribas tormo. Matchup vs mugabe is very much. Eye-popping and best hormone. Now i believe twenty two in seven for the season jamie on hardcourts. It's really freaking good. A when you look at her result has been a cupcake schedule either. But you're right. This is a section. That just gets more interesting. It feels like as the tournament will go along. Who are the seats. Are looking out for a couple on upset alert here. Yeah i mean. I think it is the one i mentioned already to twenty two. Steve muka I think three best hormel obviously has a difficult game for anybody to play against and he started coming in. And it's look she's gonna be looking at the draw people are already probably gonna be circling her name. She knows she's going to have a tough challenge. That's the one for me. Right off the bat where i think could be inundated danger here then while we'll get to this part later but that that opens things up force revest tormo a little bit there. Obviously you beat the seat and move into that spot. But no i mean to me. That is one of the reasons that i picked that matches first-round anyways because it does have those implications because if saribas tormo is able to win that i think she slides as number one into spot of. Hey who's an unseeded player. Who could make this run. I think i think the answer sir. Yeah i i should've mentioned by the way in our first round previews toss inverse clara burell. The battle of the clara's those are two under twenty one year old. A lot of firepower. And i'm not saying either of them is going to beat ashley barty. But if you're the winner of that match playing in the second round who will have nothing to lose in that you can just swing freely. It is going to be really good tennis. And sometimes when. I'm looking at a draw. I like to try to map out the story lines moving forward. What would be the story line. If this results were to emerge the story line of clarita zain who is one to wti titles this year. Who was a former world junior number-one beat jennifer brady last year. First round of the french open. I'm not saying she's going to beat ashley barty but the idea of her pushing her two seven six. I saturday's plane a close second round match. I think that's something to keep an eye on burell as well when she's firing from the baseline she just gives you problems. And so you know certainly i mean when bars plan plus one with her forehand little more difficult on the serve. But you're going to have chances to hold. Serve against ashley barty so that's an early round matchup. I'm certainly watching. I already mentioned curse against kunar. Matoba that's upset. Alert if jill teichmann plays even seventy five percent as well as she did in cincinnati in new york that second round match matchup potentially with a net. Kante is one that absolutely needs to be circle as someone That is an upset alert and that kind of leads us to the dark horses here. I mean we just saw. Teichmann was able to do in cincinnati jamie. I think she's the one who circle right away right as someone who could absolutely blow up this section of the draw. Yup teichmann in Storm the to now. That i wrote down for this because again as you mentioned it we already saw a really nice level of tennis. Displayed from teichmann knack. Do we always see the tennis end. Lead up tournaments in the us open series mirrored. Right when we get major right in the of course that is still remains to be seen however like you mentioned if she plays even close to that level. When you saw what she was able to do. I was see once. She got to the finals of bit different. But again that level of tennis yes. She's hundred percent. Gotta be one of the unseeded once you could potentially see moving through here in. Hey it's it's a deputy a grand slam draw. There's always gonna be somebody who sneaks through so why not her. What about shelby. Rogers who's got madison rangel first-round than significant power advantage to shelby. She done would play the winner that stay cooder motto match if you forecast and upset there even if you don't shelby's got the firepower she plays her best she can match up with anyone and then just her serve her first or hand. Obviously the ashley. Barty backhand slice backhand return has improved monumentally this year. She's a top twenty club player. She's top twenty now in break percents. She's number two in hold percentage. All her success speaks for itself. Shelby rogers one of those players jamie does feel like when she plays her best again. She's going to get you to a tiebreaker. She's going to hit her way through some product. Just hit her way into some into some leads. Quite frankly and again. When you're playing world number-one ashleigh barty. Who's got all the pressure in that match. That's an interesting one. I i do think shall be player. Who can make a sort of ron yet. Potentially i will say. I would expect if rogers gets through. The first round that could match over would still be favored in that second round matchup hypothetically but still yeah is where you're coming from and there are also a couple of young players already. You mentioned right. A and who has jennifer brady on up settler but that whole section haley baptiste talented. Young american As well claire lou has been one of the rising stars this season. She's into the top one hundred. She's got sulawesi. in her. first round match. She wins that she would play the winner of saribas tormo and mook of i think that's the section where things get funky jamie. I also think it's interesting. We've gone this far in this section. We haven't said one word about olympic gold medalist twenty nine thousand nine semi-finalist player who has so many points to defend here in these final few months of the twenty twenty one season. That's belinda benches. And i actually thought bench. Despite losing that was a quarterfinal semi i think it was quarterfinal match to teichmann in cincinnati. I she's plan confidently again. There's a freedom and just you know. Got her game. Predicated ball hit ball. Big fantastic ball-striker not the most fluid mover but when she strikes fire she can go on a run. And i know she's not a dark horse per se in this section but it does feel like fern olympic gold medalist and perhaps this is just a byproduct of how many names have made runs here. I mean we just had assure she title as you mentioned for god's sake a bench a little underrated coming into this event. I i mean. I don't know if necessarily underrated but shattered right over. Sharer sure yeah but again. It's just there's so many different things to talk about. I mean yeah. I think best case scenario here. She has a pretty good draw. First couple of rounds. I think the first real test for her should be that potential third round against beulah. But she's got to be happy with where she's sitting in the drawn yet bench illegitimate contender minutes. The thing is you can sit here and talk about pretty much Anyone in here and make a case for him. So that's just simply the way it is and we know that benches can play at the highest level Do i see her. Coming out of this quarter. Is the one left standing no But yeah one hundred percent deep rent could be made by belinda vintage. So with all of that said. Let's get the predictions ashley. Barty section of the draw. We haven't said anything about each veontech as well. Iga twenty eight and ten here in twenty twenty one. You look at the losses. She's taken this season. I think her only losses to to a player outside the top thirty she lost wants to honor konia in miami who certainly coming back from. Injury played at top three level earlier in her career. Katerina alexandrova was top thirty at the time she on tech to her has since of fell. I believe fallen just outside of the top thirty range. But i mean mean has been rock-solid you've got ahead to have been really good to beat her and you look at that section controversy who's four fifteen in one against players outside the top fifty but is like adding eight and twelve or something not great against players inside the top fifty teichmann's in the section. Lotta names lot of challenges. Who you got. yeah. I mean. I think ultimately it's gonna come down to ash party And i have her advancing through this. I mean she's the favorite for a reason. We've seen display that top level tennis. Her variety in her game style gives people trouble. Even though i mean look they may be finding rhythm and coming up with great matches and then you get to ask and is completely different. I mean look what happened with jill teichmann right shoes playing really. Well had great rhythm. Sure there's fatigue there. There's a lot of other factors but you get to the final nash partying. Just it's just another bee's and so that also tells me that she's in really good form So i think at this point you just have to favor her. No matter who she comes up against out of that bottom half of her quarter right it could be it could be could be any number of players to gula perhaps even teichmann again but i think you just have to give ashbury the edge no matter who comes out of that bottom Who you go with the bottom half though. I'm writing it down for predictions just so we had. There is a bracket challenged by the way circa the us open so we should maybe get an interesting night to see who does better Let's say i'll go peculiar. Gimme un-american different different americans but let me go to google. we haven't said a word about just pig ula. You're no that's what i'm saying. Shut up to you. That's a great prediction and it's like this is why we have him. This probably have him here for. These draw previews. i'm jealous and sad. I didn't say that. Myself jessica geula has made the quarterfinals of just about every major hardcourt event. That's been held here in twenty twenty one quarterfinals at both the middle east events. I honestly think quarterfinals miami quarterfinals in canada as well. She's really freaking good on hardcourts. I'm gonna go bench not a surprise to you now. A surprise to our practice it's listeners. I just thinks she's found the confidence again in her best. Tennis is very very good. It's not quite the elite of the elite in terms of power tennis. Brits pretty damn close again just such a brilliant ball-striker. I think she's confident right. Now you look for xiang tag. I don't think shanta gets through her section. I think the first slam she loses before the fourth round whether it is a tough meant whether it is a kante I'm going to say iga is the seed who loses early in this section. I'm going to take bharti over bench itch. But i don't feel great about it. I do think it's trickier section for bharti than than we think that i know she's pregnant vance through it but i do think it is a tricky section. Give me bardy over bench to advance in the top quarter of the draw that section number one. Let's get to section number two now speaking of brilliant ball ball-strikers from the center of the court. It's the carolina placebo section jamie. Of course plus c-a-b-a has been so exceptional here over the course of these past. I would say month and a half. It's really since the start of the grass court season. You look for her. Obviously the final at wimbledon. She's able to follow it up. Make a final in canada as well. Yes it was a disappointing final against camilla. Sure she but you look for her. The number four seed here at this. Us open you look at the seeds in her section of the draw your number six seed twenty nineteen defending champion and perhaps the most unheralded story line of this twenty twenty one home stretch beyond andretti. Who has so many points to defend here in indian wells title a us open title as well. She's your number succeed. She may lose first round jamie as she's got one of the most dangerous players in her section first round victoria galovic one of the last one handed backhand in the women's game but such an explosive player big firepower from the baseline. That's a fascinating. First round matchup will talk about more. I'm sure shortly you look at the other seeds in this section. You've got the always dangerous. Yelena ostapenko number twenty seven maria soccer number seventeen. You've got kavita at ten. Pavlov chink cova at fourteen paula. Dosa twenty four petra martic number thirty nother loaded section jamie when you look at the first round matchups what stands out to you definitely. I think for me. This is a little different than the bardy quarter. There's a lot of first round matches that we have to choose from has really entertaining once First of all it's gonna be great to see any of back in action but it looks senac jaka against seven stove ostapenko totoro ska cost ya On soccer those three right there were the with the top ones. For as in terms of first rounders. I meant to mention this earlier. According to our friends at tennis abstract who have their draw projections the closest first round matchups according to their predictions in the top section of the draw that ashley barty was storm sanders. Verse masaki doi. They say storm sanders fifty two point. Six percent. Chance misaki doi. Forty seven point four. Shame on us for not mentioning that one jamie there second closest though by the way is mugabe bursary best torn out fifty five. Forty five split. They have muka favored entering that match. You look at this section of the draw. Deathly a little bit closer for for tennis after you look number one for them. Proceed uplift of her staka kovic both players finish with very very good during the clay court season. That's a fifty to forty eight sort of split. They've got Stove that's another fifty. Three forty seven split garage averse perez diaz fifty five forty five a nissan mova verse. Ideas is a fifty six forty four sort of split the match. That sticks out to me. As you've mentioned i mean i i already referred to. I n thrust you. I think victoria goal beck straight up playing better than bianca. Andress skewed this season. I think bianca andress accused. Thirteen and nine overawed leave. Eight of those winds came at two events for her Here this season goal like forty five and fourteen victoria goal vic played. it level matches. She's had success that. Wj level she just made a big wimbledon. Run as well again. I tasked results wise. She has been better than andress. You this season and yet there's desperation andress. He's going to have to play with it. I'm really excited to see what that brings out of her on-court because she is defending points. This is a huge moment in her career so interested in that one. Obviously the cops joke. Socrates the gluskin special right jamie. I mean after that match. Marcus joke i think is one of the most talented young players on tour. I just think again. You'll her power tennis. Give soccer all sorts of fits and soccer is really struggled another player. Much like cooder matova dominated. The first third of the season has struggled to find her form. Really since that french open that was hers to have she could have won that event. Chamie But i do think this is an interesting section of the draw hundred percent. Yeah and that's where i started with to me. It makes it so exciting because it starts on such a high note right for bardy. I think it's gonna get a little. I think it's gonna take a little bit longer for me to really get interested in that quarter because like i said a lot of late-stage developments out of some i rounds this quarter right off the bat writing. The i don't know these matchups really interesting. And like you mentioned there are some big time seeds and somebody like andress who is in some trouble right off the bat so one hundred percent with you on that one and i. I don't know i'm excited to see how this one plays out for. Sure that you also get a bunch of americans in the second eighty mcnally while you heard katy volynets wildcard. You've got ashland krueger. The girls eighteen san diego champion in this section as well. Amanda any melvin. So it's certainly interesting now again. We've mentioned the seeds any of them for you on upset alert in particular yet. We've mentioned a couple more ready Soccer seventeen seed and undress. The six seed both on my list. The only other one that we've only briefly on just a by nature of mentioning. Her first round match is ostapenko again. It's a high twenty seed. So how much of this. You really define as a big upset. I don't know but the twenty-seven seat ostapenko taking on potrero ska who will give her a tough challenge Ostapenko still going to be favored in that one. I would take her to. But i'll think how many times we've seen her. Just come out and not look her best at all and when that level dips somebody like go rosca. Who's gonna make you work for these points and make you execute and finish properly. She's not a good match. Do you wanna have so just a tough out there but again ostapenko would be. I mean in somewhat danger. But i wouldn't color it red maybe orange. Now it's it's a good call. I mean if ostapenko was clicking on her second serve return. She's going to win now if she's not she could lose elena like it's going to be that sort of match. I very much agree with you there. And so that's when you have circled the i we could call it. The petrarch memorial upset in the first round. Because that's one he just struggle right away right know dalma golfie top junior in the world Certainly that's a match march and should win but even look immediately after that the winner of volynets tomjanovich. That's a tough match. And so i think that's the seed on up settler for sure as well already mentioned soccer. We've already talked about andrew's view on the flip side the dark horses. I think the obvious case is victoria. Galovic where are you at with. Amanda any simova because i still continue to think back to that miami match. She played against bianca and dress q. Her best is still really freaking. Good and not even twenty one years old. It just feels like she's become an afterthought as so many of these other young players have emerged but her peak is still right there jamie. She's absolutely a dark horse in the section. Yeah i mean. I think it's just one of those. Where again you could. You could sort of mimic this story for so many different players in the draw. But it's just like. I don't know where you're levels at right now. Right is yes. I've seen these peak levels. I've seen phenomenal matches. And you mentioned still so young but again. That's sort of the name of the game on the w here. How many young talented players do. We just have circled with question mark. So you know i. It seems almost unfair to throw her into that category. Because there's so many different players who are all grouped together like that but for me. It's just so many question marks so again it's great to see back at a major have sort of a more high profile match right off the bat to tested a little bit but again i just don't feel confident in anything just just because i haven't been able to see him really really high level reselling. That's a fair point. I look at the section of the draw. You pablo chen. Cova has played well when she played. She just hasn't played that frequently of late. And i do think this is my hottest. Take but a dark horse to watch his ashland krueger. She is going to someday. Get an invitation to serena williams power tennis country club jamie. She's just got the firepower when she plays well. I don't care about the level. She can hang. And i don't do i think she's going to even beach nova no probably not but is she. Does she could give pathogen. Cova all sorts of problems. You know. that's the name i would. I would point out as a true darkhorse. Senac of a seven. Tova is like the antithesis of the. It's what petrarch was before she was seated. Right it's like oh you play. You're probably gonna lose that second round match. That's a tough one for you. So those are two players. I would just circle as people who if you see in the third or fourth round despite not being seated. I mean they're in there. There's right there two of the forty top thirty players right now. on the w. t. a. to earn so those would be my dark horses but this gets us to the predictions and i do think this is a tricky section to pick because the moment you put expectations caroliina plus grand slam. We know how that goes. We saw patrick peak when she was in the middle east earlier this season but she struggled with injuries since and it was a stomach bug and cincinnati. But do really want. Put your money in the patrick of basket. Maybe maybe not. We haven't spoken about a player. Who is one of eight players in the world right now to be top twenty in both holden break percentage. She's top in terms of overall an individual 2021 elo ratings here according to the advanced metrics at tennis abstract of course. She's the twenty four seed and she's made quarterfinals at the grand slam here. This season in paula doses. You bear a lot of interesting selections to make here jamie which way you go. Yeah i know. We're warning against it but Give me push still think is. It's so tough because getting through the top half for her is still going to be a goal. You mentioned it. But though says raked there Privilege cova is right there. If she's playing even a third round against him a lot of it is not gonna be easy so she's definitely got a tough path but again it's the us open so at a certain point. Everyone does if you wanna advanced into the second week at the least but i think pushpa is ready for it. I i know this is something. That was really tough for her even a few years ago right as soon as the expectations got there. That's when things became troubling and then there was this frustration of okay. What are you doing at the majors. Wise is not happening. And just you know that feedback cycle just starts to hurt more and more and more. So i think we've bottomed out from that and we're coming up. I'm going to say it'll play out differently getting pushed but throughout this quarter. It's a great take. And what was so enjoyable about wimbledon was. It was the first time in five and a half years that she had no expectations at bring a grand slam and she delivered jamie and now is really really cool to see now. The problem is there's a four next to her name now. there are expectations. People do think he's one of the top five favorites. According to betting god's to win this event i'm gonna take kavita. I just feel like cavazos. Peak is still as good as anyone in the fields. And i liked what i saw through the first few rounds of cincinnati and i know she withdrew from a stomach bug but she feels in seems relatively healthy entering this. Us open. and i just i look at her section of the draw with you know socrates form a little bit shakey and just that first bottom for section service in yock of a costume kostunic soccer one of those four players would be potential third-round opponent. They're going to beat up each other. In those first two rounds on the way to get there so i just think patrick gets to that second week a little bit unscathed. I don't know what to think about indresco. You never know what to think about ostapenko. I just like that section. How it plays out for us. She's the most consistent in what is a very inconsistent. You know high high ceiling low-floor section of the draw. I'm going to bet on her to find that ceiling. Over the course of the first week i'm going to have her knocking out. Paul doses well but doses. Just such a tough out. I think her applicable would be a really fun fourth-round match. i'm gonna take doses to win that. But i'm going to take vit- of to knock her out to give me kavita over padova who you taken out of that bottom half over who jamie. It's tough Will push talk to florida right. Yeah yeah he is yeah right. Yeah i mean it's tough right. I always want to root for of. It's so tough. When i'm really i have something on the line and i'm watching her and just one of those players you watch and you're like god there's no control from the ground it it just. I don't know how else to it. It's incredible how she lands the ball. She does and she's phenomenal. What the plus one in power. But it's one of those Don't miss don't miss friends but anyway again. That's that's just simply my outlook on tennis anyway. So we don't need to get in their bottom. Half of this one is interesting. I don't think it's going to be addressed you. Even though she's the sixty s you mentioned. There's a lot of people who can be in there. Beat each other up. Hundred percent agree with you. I'm just going to pick one of the names. That i feel good about at the moment at sydney. Aqaba gimme her. She'll come out of the bottom she'll play pleasure about cluster but beat sir. I am so jealous of your Takes those are the two best takes that we've heard thus far dot com. Yeah no that's a good offset for for the two of us today with that in mind. Let's move into perhaps the most interesting section of the draw. That's the naomi. Osaka section. And we already talked about it at the top. We both agree. When i o mio. Sokha plays her best tennis on a core. It's better than anyone else's on the wti to our case in point she's your twenty twenty. Us open champion. She's you're twenty twenty one australian open champion and he had you look at this section of the draw jamie tricky tricky section for you. Look at the siege. She'd matchup with you're not terrified by number five seed. Elina fiddle lena. But as you move elsewhere to the draw you've got thirty catholic kina rebekah simona hallam angelique kerber cocoa goff yulia. Putin save is your seed as well. You've got canada champion. Camilla she in your section of the draw. You've got ana konia leyla fernandez lingering. In your immediate section of the you might have to play one of them but you know by the third round this is tricky from seed standpoint. There's a lot of talent here. What are the first round matches. You're watching most closely. Your hundred percent. I think i've got three written down. That i think are really The ones that. I'm gonna wanna focus on as much as possible georgie. In help Again just because it was great to see that really high level from georgia. I mean we've been waiting for that for so long right. We we know this. She just couldn't keep it up consistently right. You have her go through a stretch of three or four games where you're like this show stopping tennis where she could slab and do incredible things but couldn't always put it together that run to take the title was phenomenal so i think she had a really good level. Haluk has been a little more quiet but obviously mona help. So that's number one for me. Kerber skype think is interesting and then I have to include this just because it's a little sad more than anything. But he's in stevens as the first round match at the us open that hurts but still entertaining hundred percent two former final at a hell house first round and it's like a justified first-round like you can't say either them deserve to be seated. Like some stevens. I think sixty five in the rankings. Right now jamie she might be the best sixty five ever But you look right. Now you know two other matches i would call out. Leyla fernandez for sonic konia. You know that's ruskin special fernandez. The talented young canadian konia former top twenty player in the world. Still coming back from injury. I honestly think. Osaka versus boost cove is a pretty fun. I test as well. Because we'll get to see osaka's form right booze. Kovas going to make her work. This is an interesting section. As you mentioned the strengths. Revenge tour is the thing. I'm monitoring those closely here down the home stretch of twenty twenty one. I just think she's got that sort of attitude in her game that makes it must see tv even when it's going awry it's incredibly compelling but i think this is a section that gets even more interesting as you project moving forward right you've got a co gov potentially third round matchup against angelique kerber. You've got a potential fourth round. Goff osaka sort of battle. You've just got you know. Obviously hallamshire she but reebok anna as a third round opponent is not a walkover for either of those players at the seeds. Hold up this is a really really interesting section. So again sees upset on your alert in your mind. I i could argue. Maybe here. it's none of them and that's why this is so intriguing because outside of Haluk which. I don't even know if that's an upset at this point This these third round fourth-round match ups in this section are particularly compelling. Yeah i i saw to answer the question. I will still stick with that as an upset. Because yes georgie phenomenal tournament. But issue going to be able to keep that up and you're going up against simona of somebody who is incredibly well versed when it comes to the major so to me. That's still a fairly large upset. So i i do have her own upset. Alert the twelve seats health. And then also the sixteenth seed kerber. I mean i think you mentioned it. Already she's going up against your strengths And yet this section of the draw is fascinating because there are so many eater. Look we talked about. How many times older so many talented players. Yes that's true but specifically in this section. How many accomplished players there are. I mean we're talking about simona halibut and then kerber and then we're also talking about you. Mentioned it a former. Us open finals matchup there. It's there's so much experience and talent all wrapped up in this tiny little draw. So i'm really interested to see how it all breaks out. But yeah hal up in curb gotta be two all settler is is it fair to qualify. Dario cast aquinas. Dangerous dark horse. Because i you know she's the twenty five seed here. In this event she's won a couple of titles here. This season as listed earlier. Smith a couple finals as well. She someone who has been top. Ten has made a quarter-final at the slams earlier in her career. Bit of an outlier name as well. It's kinda tommy polish. And that she can crank from the baseline wins. She wants to but usually it's counterpunching usually it's using angles in slices and moving forward. And she's you know one of the best movers in the women's game i would take her straight up over sibling right now. Like i i do. Think she should make the fourth round of this event and then you know her verse. Rebecca nausea halla even in an lee whose plenty dangerous in that section as well and that would be a dangerous darkhorse too when i look at the top section is it fair to qualify cast aquinas. Darkhorse think she's capable of making the quarter-finals how we stretch the definition. I know usually akan seated. But now one eight five to go to the quarterfinals. like unexpected. Yeah hundred percent with you. But i think in the same sort of breath reagan if you see fiddling is your big seed in your draw your Cool right like that's not. That's not a bad thing. It's not an intimidating. Like oh damn look at this like now you see. You're your account like that. Is the five seat for me and if i can win that getting to the orders so yeah i'm with you. There makes a lot of sense and yes especially by the numbers by Those seeds nestle name hundred percent enough. Said definitely a dark horse. And i liked that pick with. I'm with you. i don't thinks fiddling holds up. Gets i don't think she protects her seat. Yeah on the bottom half. I mean all of them domino stevens. Your strengths ga. I mean konia fernandez can nappy. I could even throw some cal. Nina myers sharieff love. You look at this section of the draw. i enjoy all the match. Ups from projection standpoint. Leyla fernandez fifty point. Five percent on kunia forty nine point five. That's your closest first round matchup period. I fear in this twenty twenty one. us open. That's juicy like this. This is a really fun section of the drawn so do not be surprised when we break about this section each and every day you know that that they play because this is going to be a lot of fun action again dark horses on the bottom half of the draw for you and then ultimately your prediction for this one shakes out. Yeah the bottom part of this is just so tough because if you look at all the names that you've got i mean i don't know if i specifically somebody who is a dark horse coming through this bottom half. I think if someone comes to the bottom half it's going to be one of kerber goff Or asaka so to me. I don't really see much room for dark. Horse there on the top half. Yes we already talks about on the bottom. Half of this section specifically. I don't think i see a dark horse getting through one or multiple of those three names. This is that bottom half is the most loaded individuals sixteenths. Whatever i mean. You've got osaka. Goff kerber keys stevens. Literally you stretch fernandez can after putin like charade it's incredible it really is an incredible section of the draw that sad it. It's the section with naomi osaka. And i've said this. Each every preview podcast. We've done if naomi. Osaka makes the second week of the us open. She becomes my favorite. And i look at this section third round against a cone. Honestly any of those players konia fernandez kidnapped your putin save. That is a tricky third-round match that will be an excellent litmus techs at excellent barometer for an i o mere sock is at in new york that said i'm taking osaka to emerge out of this section. I think she is going to battle-tested entering week. Two in that is just the most dangerous place for naomi. Osaka be a hardcore grand slam. Because eventually in the course of those seven matches. She's going to find her best tennyson when she does. I think it's better than everyone else's and so i'm gonna take sock a here in this section to advance. I'll say over. I mean. I wanna pick rebecca but i did the whole cast akina rant. I'm going to stick with my guns. I'm gonna go dark sakina. I'll take osaka over canal. Take rebecca. I've been on the robot gonna bandwagon for while i'm gonna stick with it. She's a p. T. p. prime time performer. Give me osaka over boccanegra. Her power wins out. Overcast akina in the end. And what should be a really fun. Fourth-round matchup brad. You think no. Naomi oh will find it in the course of this section. I'll take her over the big hitting rebecca. Yeah i've got a sock as well I think it's going to be a sock over halal coming out of the top part and their rebel and unfortunately that a bunch of top-seeded again this gets back to what we speaking about right at the beginning is all of this craziness yet. They're still a few at the top. We expect to perform And so yes. There is all of these weird strangle people. Dark horses who we kind of expect even though the numbers in the seeds. Don't line up that way yet. At the end of the day we still expect ash party asaka to be the ones who are commanding the top. So it's it's an odd time weekday again it's the wto one tiny thing could happen. Ripple effect in the entire draws blown up but again i i think i stick with it at this point in and put asaka through. We've done multiple pods actions on. Weisman helps the most underrated player perhaps in. Wj toured history. While she doesn't get the respect she deserves as not the elite of the elite. It's not the selous serena navratilova graph every category it. It's round venus sharapova. Ish like it's around that range and sustained accidents plus the strength of her peak anyways. All that is to say were were simona hal fans. I think we're fans of every player at this point. You're not gonna find me. Net talking negatively about many of them but the point being. I would not make that how prediction. I'm curious why you see her quarterfinals. I mean at this point. I think it just comes down to experience in being able to just pull out matches. No i don't have great confidence in specifically like oh yes her form has been you know up here. No that's that's not really where that's coming from. I just think when you look at that top half you know who who who is really going to give her the most trouble. I mean you've mentioned people. Light cast akina like rebecca. Okay yeah i see there. There's also a potential to spit. Alina is the one that she has to run into to me though. I just like being able to say. Hey i've been here before. Let me advance do this because she you're especially if somebody is trying to make that late stage when it's a big time for them to do so in their career they may be having gone there before or at least not very often halla yamagata come in here and i'm gonna make you beat me right like i'm going to grind you down sure if you can if you can hang with me from the baseline and rip winners from behind that baseline fine. That's okay. I just don't see it going down that way and personally. I think she's going to be able to wear a lot of people out. And i think it's worth pointing out you have to go into the quarterfinals. Not winning the event and yeah you're right. The idea of doing that four times in a row could absolutely singer happen seven. I don't think she's got seven in her right now. Not then. that's not me to be diminishing. I think she could in twenty twenty two just right now. Yeah and i think you mentioned it's not only is it four. It's the first four so it's not going to be. You don't have to do that again. I'm not seeing her doing that against osaka. And then doing it against bharti going through all the way to the dry. I don't see that happening. Still could just. Because it's hal up and she can do these things but no. I don't expect that to happen. I would expect her to get there and lose to sock in a tough match man. No she was the grinder that this previous generation of players needed to match up against. She was always the fun contrast. And so i agree. I hope she's healthy throughout this turn. Even if she knows it. Make it past that georgie match. But we moved to our final section. The link is section. this south lake is section. I know i called the of sock section the most interesting and it probably is but when you look at the seeds in this section of the draw wide open. You've got twenty twenty one. French open champion number eight seed. Barbara crunchy cova. You've got perhaps the hottest player on the wj to right now in two thousand six seed. Danielle collins you've got own jabbour. Who has been by every metric top ten player here this year. You've got lisa mertens. You've got the as aranka. You've got katharina alexandrova. That of course you've got are being guru ruta in this section as well of all of the sections in the draw. This is the one where. I hope the seeds hold for the longest because the idea of each of these matchups crunchy cove alexandrova. Vika verse mugabe. Russa mertens verse. Shapur collins verse blanca. Signed me up for those third round match ups right now jamie. I know we gotta talk. Best first rounds at some point. But that's my take on this section curious. Your thoughts yeah. I'm probably not quite as high on the section as you are in that. That's fine I would say at least looking at the first round specifically the number one for me is divorced gournay I think cornell has been in really good form and talk about someone who's just going to grind and make you work and she's obnoxious to play against. You can hear her every single point hike right now. She's battling in a final against spit alina after making a really good run through. Chicago's draw taking people like on. She's in good form. So i really liked that one If i had to pick one first round match focus on it would be down. There are a couple of others package. Mussa concert those interest me but i think jabbar cornell the ones that are is the one that have circle seattle in love. This section first round matchups rice. I agree agree with you. I agree with your point is. It's not about the first round for me. It's about this one moving forward. And i do like the crunchy. Cova sharma matchup. I just think that one's fun from a viewing standpoint. i do like navarro. Mikhail emom navarre. Of course the ncaa. champion virginia. Taking on veteran. American christina mchale. But you're right like from first round standpoint. You're talking yourself into a lot of these matches like big you petkevich. They've both been playing well but like whatever like no disrespect to either of them like yeah. Mussavat gauge could be good. It could also be awful again. So that's a high ceiling low-floor sort of match and so i mean pattern. Rebecca peterson for mertens. Those are two players who'd high floor match but rather low ceiling I agree with you. I. it's not the first round matchups that make me interested. It's the third and fourth round match. Because when you start to look at the seeds on up settler jamie. I don't have many of them. Like maybe alexandrova. I because of the damage. Konta irani are all interesting matchups. Maybe mugabe russa first round or mertens first round. But i mean kaya von i suppose against daniel counts. That's a lot of firepower on one corporate. Like i do think this is a section where we could see the integrity of this draw. Hold for awhile. It's actually yeah. I do have to on there. I mean she's had a really shows a really high level and she should be able to just fit cornell off the court honestly But this is not all the way it always goes right so now. I mean in terms of people. I see getting upset like you mentioned. I mean it's it's relatively safe for seeds. I mean. I think mugabe russa could be dangerous fought just by nature of who she is. We'll talk about this on the men's side but it's like you know you see somebody in need to see their name and you're like well you might get upset just because you might not show up on that day you might not have a good day And so that's really why she's on that list. Not because i think donovan has earned the like oh man she's going to upset a nine seed. It's not really where i see that but yet it's an odd section of the draw especially when we talk about like room for unseeded players to go far. I kinda throw my hands up in the air on this on this stuff. I go cayenne like she is belinda bench but a little more fluid a little bit smaller below more fluid and she has that firepower super top-ranked junior super super talented again. Daniel counts as the second round opponents super tough but like that's for one and then i guess it clicking kiki like if she's in the third round is that a gas course run sort of but now i agree with you. I think this one goes really chalk. Now where this gets so interesting and we can move beyond the dark. Horses is just to get into the predictions for the section. Because this is an open section krejci cope has been the most consistent of the group. Salamanca flashed the highest upside of the group. Garbin mugabe russa was the best players on hard bass player on hardcourts through the first third of this twenty twenty one season we saw vico get on the run. Make a run in new york last year own. Jabbar's been a top ten player. Made all of these cases already. I'm fascinated to hear which way you're going with this section. Because to be honest. I haven't even made my choices. I'm gonna make it up after our here yours. Y- this is tough. I think normally a you know may at. I love watching as a rank. I know she can do. I have zero confidence Based on what. I saw in cincinnati from her. I mean she won. What like two games against atrophy and she got destroyed and it could honestly could have been out like she was lucky to get a game in that So that's a little disappointing for me. Because i do think that the draw lines up really nicely for her But unfortunately i. I feel like i have to stay away from that one. So for me. The way this one goes. Yes i think. I already listed devore's potentially having a tough first round but to me i think she's gonna get through it and she'll be fine and i actually think she will get all the way until that savvy lincoln match and that's the one where right now. I'm trying to decide in my head over there. I thought you'd be at. She'll get all the way to the semi. Is joe borsa jamie. Your pride for today is about did. I mean you're going to lose it even heard you haven't heard my will answer because i am gonna take jabber to beat salamanca And goes through so that will be the bottom. Half of this section jabbour will take out sabah lenka than from the top side. She'll play one of let's say mugabe's or trag-. Gimme jabbour jabbour to advance. Why just bullied you into that. Pick who you talking. Are you taking a being crunchy cova. It's hurt me before it will hurt me again. Giving motorists yeah care. I don't care though. Because i'm taking gordon. Peter so i. I i feel like i have less stayed in this so i have a couple of things to go on this one as a student of the arena. Senka school of play as you. Now jabbar's just a good matchup for her. Because as you bore doesn't hit the ball quite big enough to really hurt sabah. Langkah so sample. Inca can get everything. And i think satellite kinda likes the creativity that aboard plays with the mics mixing things up in. Just you know the ability to play big and getting looks off the slices and so i think sample inca wins that match. The tough collins in her that is going to be. I strike tennis at is going to be changed balls. Every three games pleased. because they're gonna be hitting the cover off of it. I think sampling advances out of the bottom section. I'm gonna make the plunge this tournament is well. You got burned by it. At wimbledon. i'm gonna get burned by it here if it happens. I'm going being give me are bean. Mugabe russa to advance out of this action. She beat sampling twice on hardcourts in three sets in the middle east. Crunchy cove is a really tough match because crutcher cove has been the most consistent of the group business credit. Cova have the weapon to hurt her being caruso with that overwhelming weapon over the course of a two out of three set match of garbin can get to that round. I don't think so. I do think are peak on hardcourt has been the highest in this section of the draw. And i'm going to bet on her finding that peak here. I said at the beginning of the season. I think she was going to win. A grand slam in twenty twenty one. Give me muga ruth oversample anka three-set match in the quarterfinals. But i'm making the plunge jamie ominous go mugabe russa. What you think about that. I mean i hope it works out better for you than it does may but no i mean look you also gotta remember in. Cincinnati muga rusada Just played and it was crazy tight match so i think it would be really fun to see that happen again but best love best of luck to you. I've been there. I've been burned on it because when you see mcgrew the play at that top level. It is so enticing. You're like oh my gosh. She's just act good and she has one off match. And that's all it takes you. No it's just here's the thing. Despite all of the losses she's still wanna three players to be top fifteen in both holden break percentage. That's how good she was at the start of the year and honestly that's how close she's been in her losses this year. It just feels like they're bits of injuries from starting some stopping. I'm betting on her. Finding that peak betterman gets stuff. Happy ally before. I hope she does Again how many times we've gone through this. Where on my take move and you know just kills me but now i mean i love watching play. She's very fun to see succeed right. She's one of those players you always want to for. You've seen her be at the very very top of the game in take home these major titles in a yeah i mean again. I'm going to be rooting for. It's kind of for me. It's kind of like when i see that of clans unless i have something invested like. I'm always going to be taking her and rooting for her. It's just how many times have i said it and been burned a some point. I gotta just back off it until it happens. And i be happy. I appreciate you being happy for me though. That's really all that matters and we look here some final predictions before we wrap this. Women's singles draw preview. You look now again your semifinals. You've got bardy versus plus kabbah one verse four channeling your inner matt's toco eac. You've got on the bottom. Half for taking on naomi osaka giving your final giving your champion here at the two thousand twenty one open. Yeah i mean. Unfortunately i think it's party and asaka and bharti lens. I think it comes. It comes down to it being that boring but again it's what we talked about the two favorites for a reason and whatever mess happens underneath them. I think that they should still be at a high enough level to take care of whatever comes their way so gimme bardy over osaka to win the us open. I really wanna take mugabe roosa- So bad i. She had the matchpoints over a soccer australia. She was right there with her. I'm sticking with my thing though. I set it after australia. I set after the. Us opened last year. I meant it. I'm picking an i o meal socket every hardcore of until she loses two of them in a row and she's won the last two and i just think if she gets to the finals as we're both projecting her to do how does she lose that match at that point that means. She's playing her best tennis. That means she's found something on the survey that means she's clicked off from Mentally on the court as well over the course of the two weeks in it's just her peak is better than everyone else's peak. So i'm gonna stick with osaka over in the final. The flipside i suppose of you there. I just think those are the two players. They're they are a clear step ahead of the field right now. Both inexperienced and in terms of peak level of play or one or the other. And i that i i do agree with you. I think that's the final i hope. That's the finals. Well because boy wouldn't have soccer bardy rivalry emerging over the next few years bef- on and crucial for the wpa two. But i agree with you. I'll take osaka over. Bardy should be though very very fun. Two weeks of new york in with all that set. Of course if you missed any of our preview podcasts confined them all on the great shout. Podcast feed jamie. And i will be back here to do the same exercise for the men's singles draw as well but with that in mind. Jamie any final thoughts on this twenty twenty one. Us open women's singles competition cited to get kicked off. And look if we have an unseeded player when the tournament then just everything just said it was a waste of time. But hey that's fine. It's a fun exercise nonetheless down. I listened to the dark horse. Podcast if you want to hear more about that banana with all bets than four super producers actually entertaining westoff. Who as always have a of an editing job to do for my fantastico host. James foster macdonald. I'm your host. Alex kweskin you have been listening to our twenty twenty one u. s. open cracked brackets. Women's singles drop a.

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2021-10-06 Bus service complaints.... Young people becoming homeless.. Should Ireland go nuclear & more

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Fiona you're taking over friday's a rate from from next month. I'm out here. That's what does she told the. Look i got through. The glass would soured the milk in your coffee. Honest to god me wife wouldn't look at me like that's dort but for day week. They're talking about now is senior level. There's not to companies interested in i. It could never work in some places. Would i would i what would i what. Oh something s to watch out for today as well. You're going to get very very familiar with this piano. Riff you absolutely are very familiar. Yup won't piano riff paired. Before i think ever before india album somewhere. That's all we've got up. Her new single called easy on me be released and greece and friday the fifteenth which is tomorrow week. No doubt it'd be the biggest song in the words for the way it after. It's her new album. Called thirty am and i just like our other ones. Were all numbers as well was is called thirty and did may be full of angst ridden songs about the separation from her husband. Because that's what it does show. It's better life for any way easy on me. Get very familiar with it You're gonna either fantastic news from friend of the show katharine. Ross murphy. you during the morning. She's the woman who wrote the book. Catherine's old time cookbook and it was for charity. We had her on here. A few weeks ago. Absolutely fabulous fabulous news from katrin. Tell you voted during the morning. But i want to go down to the penny dinners roy. Keane turned up there yesterday making sandwiches. We'll talk with that in a minute katrina to me but you also met after. He met with david culinary team here on monday. But i'm particularly interested in something you had to facebook katrina but the number of young people coming out of the care system aging out of the care system as you do and then finding themselves using your services and homeless. Good morning komo impeach. Yep that's what it is. Exactly the when determination the slipped to you know put out there. And they're left at the mercy than anybody that can. I will step in to hurt them. The services don't just open up for them so they don't graduate from save when you're raising leaving a foster home to going into the service that'll help you get on your face get a home. Get a job and stuff like that. Just doesn't happen so they're left there. There is but it's it's it's not extensive enough over for what these people need you know. They're they're indicator system and for some the care system can be pretty rough that's face and then when they're ac. Newman that some people take kids in the foster care system they keep them forever forever to don't keep them that their children they look after them. They loved them and this most such thing as being turf toe for racing but for some that does happen and does the outcomes aren't usually very very good so like we have seen your own diminish anjem Does nothing opened up to him. He's doing a course but does no accommodation for him. This does nothing there for him. And so he's left to his own simple Ceo katrina does. He have access to anything. No there's a isn't there. Something called epic. He does have access to people who will help. Maybe find a place to live playing job. He's been training. And as we've another one i think is to join a twenty three. Who's been trained as well. And he has some complex issues going on and he kinda dancing to break anywhere. He can't breakthrough general. he just cannot do it. And he's trained to excess service at them in the late to pervade wants to try and get analyst for for hosing and stuff like that and these have been problems breaking through because he has a difficulty in communication. He communicates the wrong way. It's kind of hard for me to say what what does whittam late you know. But he has difficulty and doesn't come probably across whale enough for anyone to to to down and help help them but the thing is he's he's five years in the system now and don't seem to anyway for him he he would need specialists. Help some of them when they come up may have issues going on the maybe even disability. That may be stuff like that. So they have conflicts issues and for him. That's not helping him. Get anywhere as anna. He does try anything of success in the nautilus sudden. It's we've put you to in the service are we'd refer you unter this but the eighteen year old is just as in israel and he knows like the risks. Federal firearms settled and is trained to prevent being homeless the streets that studies basically tried to a name. He's finding a very hard. Because you know when you're in your as a kid as a child so when you tried to get into the system you know and to get stuff you may not present yourself as well are maybe not present just sent enough for whoever presented yosef to We have to have a probably a service in mind for your people like this and the services that are there to all of them do help but they have enough resources to been off. And that's what's making all that this much worse. It's old the gaps where people go at the weekend who can access at the weekend. No one and that's the same for everything it don't don't show the whole mental health issue. You have nobody you know. We had that meeting. David did the day and he spoke frankly to us about their proposal. Some what they want to do and that they need everybody to kind of buy into this. And and it's it's a big issue that we all need to do something to help but there are people on the ground helping and people willing to do that and we do need that because we're losing so many people i've said before every everybody has may covert has shown the inside face that was hit from the world of mental health and many people that come to us. No it's visible sign that we see. No we would have known of their mental health issues. But did you think them. But covert brought brought that physical to everybody know an adult sad to say and what happened was when covert when covert his aim. Everything shut down so From the whole lifted drift there were to go to the clubs. The groups were to go anywhere and have any interaction you know one on one are in their groups so that has a detrimental effect now on people. That's common to the fore for them to sir. We see them. And you know where in segments general. Mike good isn't it said like to see this face. No that was hidden before the paper were able to to hide before boredom. And it's gonna get worse like we're facing into christmas. No germans are heartless and we had custody missing persons david there today saying that usually. It's the winter months like these months. Snow is when they're at their busiest but there were busy all summer long and the summer before for the last two years. So that's an indicator in itself that covert has had a massive effect on people but prior to call that. We had all these issues as well so we would have had that skated prior to call. But no we have added to what was already there. And guess what you're saying. Come back to the to the people common common care because he used this to me before katrina the themselves. No there is after care. Many and the problem is it for some of the. It's a choice you you don't have to engage so therefore some of them don't some of them don't and some of them are bill. You know it's not that everybody consulted you. Walk up under your clothes and you walk into another door. Something they because the have have issues going on their special needs with some of them. They're just not able to just not capable be better system. What might be a better system. Or i think when we know that a person is coming knows at eighteen years of age os into the into the world so to speak. I tink like a prior to that. Things should be started to be put in place then so that it. Just don't come out and are told you have access. The service connects us that service. That's intimidate refer anybody at any time. When you're young candidates seniors age it can be really overpowering and maybe there because people in the system katrina who would say that they'd be doing a piece of work with the young person that they know is going to age out. They'd be starting to do a piece of work. Maybe six months ahead said look. You're going to come out now. Here's what's their fear. Here's what you can guess. Yes but the thing is we have to help them guesses. We have to be secure accommodation for the mmg race. That's number one and with that and everything else can fall into place. The services that are there. I keep saying the whole time no matter what services there it's excellent. It's good the people that are in there doing solid work but just not enough of it and is not enough of it to go round and it's twenty four seven. These young people don't win. They're gonna get the justice of just in accra indian insight because of all of this but again it should be happening to them. As i said no Company young boys out diminish and only five. We know what to do with them. Were doing it. But it shouldn't be up to us. It should not be up to us to do this. This is a system that they've been in and have winter from maybe. No fault of their own could be identified. Know a mother father something that that has ended with them being in there and been in the system. But as i said not on foster care is like this. There is fantastic festival children. There's forever and under sponsors trust appearance katrina. Who would let the person stay with them until they get them started about. The young person of course won't do that. I just maybe that you know the way that fantastic place. We've often talked to boost Talk radio up there in my that said hope for people coming out of addiction services is time to look at a kind of talk. Radio for young kids coming out of care absolutely. It's it's the only thing that'll work. You can just shut the door. You know behind them and let them there and put them in at the deep end. The there has to be a system in place so hosted the system on a monday. The have to be into another system. That linda is went. Geno they come out. They don't have an address for social services cases. Asking the question having an address the service snow yet they don't have to go down and probably present them at maybe simon and general. I am sure. Simon monday Coming to them as well. Geno like that of commotion system that may not have any issues going on other than the fact that they have no place to actually live because they're fuster care has ended Saw like day they would recognize as well what we recognized like this that you don't take the most someplace and make everything harsh all of a sudden freedom. If that's the word that you know have different foams that have to go here. They have to look for this to have to look for that. They are young and you become very vulnerable. When that or close behind thing recorded their legal adults to which may not be true sense the world league the our which things like. Gdp are comes into effect enough. I mean some of them will manage have general a better look raking spoke about Look you have to have a ba- looked in everything as well and for some they get that. But look but for those that don't and these are the ones that we see and you 'cause the baby's still at the end of the day and general have no place to go and the roman around lake. La souls yes you know. It's something we may torch on a bit more because it's a very interesting area and we may work with maybe through winter and talk some more about this just on the subject of roy. How did he end up there. Making sandwiches katrina having a of roy pups in every now and then. And it's all you know it's unexpected likely general. Hit never say he's coming late but he only comes into say hello and that indicates unto bigger things than because of course whole place like chrome this. Am the excitement and everything but like for duplicate tweezers where they get very excited than you know. Look engine we're there yesterday Annum roy was token to own musical director for greece's french and for breeze father's heavily involved in sucker in france and for himself Of thirty years. And then they. They're talking and just to hear roy talk about the fringe players like technical sedan. And you're just sitting there listening to sony. it's actually knows these people I'm gonna say just in this industry like we sitting here having this conversation with somebody that has played with them said against them at all of that he said it takes xanana those players to a whole new level out that. You're actually have the conversation with someone that's worth roy. Lease talks about fellas. He used to play with mobile apps. -solutely an that was. It was just an ordinary conversation and like the leads talking about you know actress just backwards and forwards endless Roy was saying Forbe's that regard you had for the fringe players like he said they were. You know for brace was really really like taken away. Like with the fact that roy had so many good things to say about the fringe players and those that he knew Instances of phenomena that we have a guy like that who's an international globally recognized star in his chosen sport and we'll just wonder in for culpa and a chat was funny. He he just put up outside the door on the care they can get out and chester to those suffer outside Chasseur site for ages Chattan everyone if say paper pessimistic than everyone to a debris takes like every looking and you could see in. Everyone's face like whole fabulous just because actually saw him in person but the thing is we've we've gotten to. We've roy has been in quite a few times. And every time he comes in he takes being cooked to a whole new level and he takes being a fabulous human being to a whole new level. He seems to have everybody unknown level but himself journal. There's nothing he just. It's an ordinary conversation. But it's a good and sometimes deep conversation but it's a. It's a one late that works both ways. You know rival. Listen an somebody asked him a questionable player to talk like any say something not proper proper conversation. It's absolutely fantastic to see that. Think it is. It's pure car katrina. Thank you very much between to me from kark penny dennis. Her look into that a bit more over the next few months youngsters coming out of the care system and there is provision there for them. There is after care and they might spend a few months billion to after care but between us at that needs to be more sometimes. We'll we'll win them would work on that a bit. More couples eighteen fifty seven one five nine nine. Six finbar's says pg may boy loves katrina metro sunday and and she has the same birthday as keeps talking about her. She's absolute legend and you can sing it. Averages billion mine on cork's mentese six. Fm rhythm car the insurance group call in person or call them now. 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Very distressed bring a details at that in why but katrina torched on mental health and particularly taken with something. She said she said that the problems that were already there in mental health have been exposed by covert and the additional problems caused by covert are now adding to what was already. There is with cork counseling. Services she's right isn't she hugh good morning. Good morning. Nice to talk to you and to sir yes. Katrina is raised mean. Katrina is very much on the ground as we ourselves. We're a community counseling service based in mathew street. Pj and i think next year would be there for forty years so we know that community has huge needs at the moment. And they're just it's not possible to meet them at the moment with the current level of funding that we're guessing nationally and you know as we've joins almost fifty other mental health organizations nationally we put us lesser in the last day or two to the t shirts saying come on. We need to opt the just about five percent of the national budget. National health budgets at the moment goes to mental health. And i mean in the uk. It's thirteen percent. So what's wrong with this can. Can we move it. you know. We're looking for increasing it to ten percents. Which is you know a lot of millionth as katrina said. Just the the colbert issues. On top of what is a very chronic problem over many years in ireland and the underfunding of mental health. We want to push it away and yes it's very real and all our lives in the in the community in families in our communities. You know i talk me particularly with the way she put it that we always knew what was dare with covert exposed for us. All to see end added its own problems to mix. Were talking about mental health. A bit more. No i mean the party on but you know we we. We are beginning to be more open than think. Social media and programs like you're on and really helped us begin to talk and yes the Covert to you know we have this idea of. Maybe it's overused. A covert is like a war. While it's it's very often when people come back from the war that there's that there's issues we're beginning to see that now 'em so was the immediate crisis of covert switch. Took us all and and you know it's now the the transitioning back and maybe you know the dealing with. They often say coming down from the mountain as the dangerous part of the journey. It's it's we're seeing us In our approach to At the moment where small organization we've joined up with a lot of older mental health organization so rather than being just a small drum beating in karak that nationally. We're saying command and this needs to be recognized and i think in fairness that has been recognition of the corporate crisis in terms of the practical issues that we had to address but the mental health. We were not prepared to let those issues go hidden again because we've for too long. Mental health has been I'd noticed that the poor relation certainly in terms of funding and attention. I'm and i think we all know that. In times of crisis you know people turn to self soothe themselves understandably but the ways the ways they do. That aren't always very healthy. So you know. We're seeing which means addiction and all the kathy. Yes yes yes so rather overworking or overeating or gambling. Deal less than a week from the budget now. The budget is is next week. Tuesday or wednesday. And it's it's in the budget book if you want that that where the small print is so we you know on budget day itself. We hear about direct taxation and we hear but the price of petrol in the older lanes on that. Also what do you want to see in the budget for men to yourself and your colleagues in the country in mental health reform. Yeah i mean It's it's not just an advocacy group for mental health reform and but mental health reform on our behalf are asking for is an ac five million euro increase and that money be given and ring fence for mental health and so we come way beyond the five percent of the national health budget that we currently hold and when i talked about the mental health budget. Pj want to deep into figures that spread across psychiatric services psychological services. Counseling services and talk therapies right. Now i know for instance that earlier this year. The primary care psychology services waiting lists of ten thousand and the children's services comes waiting lists of two thousand seven hundred in car counseling services. We have our own waiting lists. You know which we all this. We've always had waiting this and now it's getting longer and you know so. It's it's the national trend. It needs a national response. This isn't asking. Hse for a few. Bob this is asking the teasha country to give more money to help so that hse too slick and give it to mental health. That's what we are demanding at this stage on behalf of the community because it's hugely needed leave it there. Thank you hugh morally of car counseling services Thank you for that speaking of mental health the mental health story. We've been following the opinion lane right through the summer and rape to iraq this level and that is the proposed closure of own cora. Wanna return to that briefly next wages line on courts ninety-six fm car. The insurance group cold now for mosier whom business farm life and health insurance c. The court diary corks wean trunks are inventors car. Ron twenty twenty. One will take place on sunday. The twenty fourth of october registration is at boynton hall at eleven. Am on the run sets off at twelve. Thirty proceeds raised from the event or an aid. Barry mental says if you have an event like mansions email corks at ninety-six fm. We choose the opinion. We've pj coogan call. Eighteen fifty seven one five nine nine on ports ninety-six fm when we first broke the story of the own occur center in the summertime with counter at liam quaid and one or two of the relatives of people down there. We said we stay with it through the rain to see where it goes. And we're going to do that on the opinion line mary. There's a meeting tomorrow think. Good morning good morning. Pj yes are well it sometime tomorrow. I don't actually have the time with our local titties. The four of them are meeting with an minister. Mary baltar to talk about You own a car center and to raise and highlights. The i suppose to the the real obsession and worry we have down here about the center close and so they're meeting her tomorrow to talk to her about an various things. In relation to the closure itself we've got concerns oppose these building reports that m We haven't seen topper site of We are now going to ask. 'em our tease ask for residents to be committed to have their own independent structural engineer. Come and These reports and make an assessment of the universe itself. Because there's been yet so many questions left unanswered questions and just not fully explored that we feel it dependent over this h mary voter. But we're being the minister with direct responsibility for the for the area and that's another bit of progress. Where are we at the point now. Mary where the actual day of torture forced of october foreclosure. That's kind of been softly shelved. Now hasn't it more focusing an individual programs. Yeah on the face without might seem like a some kind of win but actually faucets crease with more anxiety in some ways. Because we've got this kind of we're getting also so different tastes like maybe christmas may be april and a few so it's actually very very unsettling and distressing for residents Living in a state of heightened To be honest with you so yeah it's just been is. I think the night. I was down there that came across to me very very strongly that it's the uncertainty is one of the things that's causing most anxiety. So what what are the sorry. The reason for the uncertainty is what's happened here is this group of people are losing their homes to new for their own. I think that seems to be forgotten in all this kind of am discussion. These people are losing their home. They there there are some problems with the sprinting. I was really struck last week. Listening to and the issues with pirates and mike. You know these problems up to three point. Two billion and funds is is being provided to and families who need to get their homes renovations Reconstructed and so on and that should be the case but it was really a according to me that this is exactly the situation for these. People are losing their homes. Because this home because the building is a Has some structure property. It's not there. Won't it's not their fault. And i think the that the that the uncertainty uncertainty would be taken away his commitment given to repair this quilting. Our benefits are rebuilding. Take something do something solid with all right mary. Thank you for that that meeting tomorrow between the four. Td's for cork Corky who would be off the top of my head. I won't even try. I should remember. I know that sean charlotte is one. Pat pat vocally is another and the other two have gone from memory soldiers. Just forget it for now. A thank you if there was a time when i could recall the entire eighteen. That's it for market. Anyone one time right. Women contacted by a very distressed listener Wanna komo near. She's distressed got married recently and Paid the photographer in full and in cash in advance. They had a lovely day. Would now the can't get the photographs from the photographer now. They've sent all the details of the business to revenue revenue. Say they can't find any details of this business. On their database the listener has now found out that link to the photographs has been posted onto a photography website. Now she did not give consent for this. She believes it may be a breach of gdp are and she feels. She's been the victim of a scam because she paid upfront in cash for these photos. She's contacted guard the but she's waiting for response. We also have asked the guy the for a response to this to anybody. Have any advice here so you paid cash up front and before. Anyone says you shouldn't have done that. Think she probably knows soc paid cash upfront and now she can't get the pictures and she hears that they're being posted on a website for which she did not give her consent. Anybody care to advise that fister. She is very very distressed. Eighteen fifty seven one five nine nine six. Also there's a meeting to do with another meeting on the sixteenth of october. All right. that's next week. Sixteen visiting next to sixteenth of tober eighteen fifty seven one five nine nine six now counselor. Oliver and of the green party got in touch with his party. Leader eamon roy. And the the day when the cabinet was in cork and brought to his attention an concerns raised with him by the moments of glen moyer facebook page or on the moms of our facebook page helen. You contacted oliver to bring this to his attention. Good morning good morning. What's the story with the boss. Well i wouldn't have been aware of the issues. Only i on the twenty eighth of september. I was wasting ken station from saif. Pm to six fifteen for the two one four bus and there was nothing has come older buses passing and that it was quite a few people waiting there and one motivation to go home. Terrorists kids and I- wrangles aaron. And they said they wouldn't be another for about twenty minutes. That would have been one hour thirty five minutes between the passion. The last so am i just put an opposed on mar. Many people come back to me with issues. You know there was a problem there until you put up that post. No i didn't. I would've on gossip occasion they before bush. I would get more regularly now. And i have to say it's great to have a regular service in when it's going well compared to what we had before you know to to fourteen used to be the tokyo boasts tonight is that's just an extension of it into that more yes entertainers such. A lot of people depends not just students and college. People burst people going to the ceo from mars. So that's helen. Helen just spotted this observed. It said put it up into the of our facebook page. Was i think taken back by the reaction. Tina you've to youngsters in cit. Good morning hi. Pj horning ideally get one and see one you see so what we're finding here now is relieving a lot earlier in the morning to make sure that they can get in Some bosses aren't turning up at all. And i'm wendy. Do their single decker and others students. There's and college students. School students caught a students on people. Travelling to the hospital. As i go into work packed into a boss. And we're stilling kovic so you've got all sorts of mixes of of individuals. But they're they're standing on the buses going in trying to get into city and and the on paper. The service looks fabulous. Pj it really is for the just now turning up. It's the same come about hostesses again in the evening and it's just i don't know what's going on. It's it's just not happening gene. As i said there previously used to be the fourteen before the the to one the fourteen was the tokar boss and it was one of the most frequent and reliable services in the whole but now they've extended it down to lenoir made it a bigger roofs and it doesn't seem to have carried through with that like you said the timetable to cover this buses. But it's not happening. Not happening said concern. I suppose what a lot of other parents have is. that's people are going to work and especially now that the economy is opening up with people are trying to get annoyed. We're only fifteen minutes away from the city center. You know so it. Shouldn't it shouldn't take an hour an hour and a half to two hours to get into place and people are looking for although turnips but the susta one boston and i often said if they put a shelter boss from glen. Meyer ope barn. Murray hill to mayfield's it would maybe take a bit of pressure off but at the moment that's kind of what we have to four five then coming in from thanh mail into the city center as well. That's not to pick up a number of students but the two on four in the morning is Turn out to be a nightmare. And it just doesn't seem to be following the timetable rouge at all but the single jacker early and then dope jacquards nations. J doesn't make any sense so you're to youngsters presumably heading into cit for a nine o'clock start time. Do they have to queue up and leave here after sometimes. Twenty past seven half seven to get in underneath the be cranky and it's stressful as well because you know yourself to try to. It's you know. Parts of their learning at the moment is online some visits in person. You know everyone's trying to find their fees with all of this so that they're missing out quite harsh and they're trying to attend lectures online in the on the boss. You know to kind of catch up and going in and out. So it's it's a bit of a nightmare to be on youtube boss and you know i can see a lot of people start to drive again and and really at the end of the day. That's not what we want to move to put people onto public transport and use less cars and more boasts. That's what you want tall. Tina thanks very much. We i look into this with both parents. Staying with on a car on the sixteenth of october. At two o'clock there will be a public demonstration in support of kara. The venue would be announced or that occasional be announced on the owner corus savona cora facebook page closer to the time okay. Stanley middleton area. Mary o'keefe is on your on your way to london. Mary and i think in the airport at the moment. You're over to collect an award. Good morning to you. How are you good. Good so you are the assistant manager with deals in middleton and you're on your way you're on your way to london to connect the fun frontline award. How did that happen. When i've been shortlisted far far the awards in london so it happens because my store manager and area manager at the time. Put me forward forest. So yeah and now here i am. This was after the post office. Born down in middleton wasn't as we remember that yes that's right. Yeah and we do things in the shoppers like donate to different slow to cherish than general through the pandemic stuff. Just everyone you talk about is if it was just ordinary to do these things every day you going above and beyond you know. Yeah but it's nice to be nice. Wouldn't I just think anything just do. And that's just town brain to together in brilliance. So so you just get into it and it's nice to be nice. And how did you feel when when nicole and the area manager said right while you're for noord then yeah i. My heart stopped grace. General it really is. It's an honor to be put forward. Sarah's team i work worked popular tools and session here are known to me. It's a frontline retail hero. Award recognizing retail staff who went above. And beyond your don't opt the lab. Leave all glen. Yeah the the dealer's uniform like is at home in a drawer. No nor yeah. Oh that's washington right now. In fact yeh no not. is this some awards. Grinds blend offer you. Just attach the dressing today the terrible hang on and you know why not get over there and exactly and i've never been to. I'm gonna go up no no. I've got a good company with my store. Manager nicole in my area manager James was it to keep going during lockdowns. Geno won the lockdown independent Sexy typically admittedly geno so everyone was gone through their on things. So will you help them through it with your work in deals and now you're shortlisted to be recognized as a major award in the uk. And congratulations on even being shortlisted and let us know you get on and have a good night on the toys over the opinion line on courts mentese six. Fm recommit car insurance group. Call in person or call them now. They just talk to talk. They walked the msg the minds their love. And we're ready to talk. We call eight hundred fifty seven one five nine six texter. What's up three three thousand nine hundred sixty six thousand six email opinion on ninety six ed dot for your premium mind with pj coogan on cork's ninety ninety-six. That's space exploration story in the news. This is my favorite space exploration story of all of twenty twenty one captain kirk at the age of ninety finally going to space enterprise five with finally brings new world. He gets to go to space and new civilizations to boldly go where no man has gone before to boldly go where no nineteen year old has gone before. At least he's had nothing of the next. We can base hit note into outer space at the age of ninety william shatner legend speaking of legends. Mary o'keefe is an amazing person. What you heard there on the interview with exactly what should get. She's down to. Earth middleton so proud of her that comes in from jillian and mainstream another legend. Roy keane as we were discussing him with katrina to me in the first hour. Isn't it time roy. Got the freedom of the city. Judging by the other people who have he is a strong connection even though he made his success abroad and he remembers that the city contains the most humble and fragile and troubled people and he treats them with dignity. Lot of love in the room this morning. For roy and point out. Roy says roy is an absolute legend uncle who's profoundly deaf and has other needs to be a huge fan of his since as far back as cove ramblers way back when roy got wind of this. And it's met my uncle numerous occasions as well as bring him to old trafford. Roy is pure cork. I wanna read that story again to you about the wedding photographer. This is a listener. Very distressed listener who contact to distress steven to go on the air. So we said we'd bring it to you. Someone might have come across this happening before might have some advice is in the hands of the guy. The They are told our listener that they will investigated it. They've also told us that they will investigate it. And come back to hopefully with the statement. This woman got married recently. Paid the photographer for in full and in cash. Lovely day now. They can't get the photos from the photographer. They've sent all the details in pure frustration. Of course they've sent all the details of the business to revenue revenue. Have come back to say that. The can't find any details of the business on their database. The listener has stint since found out now that a link to the photographs has been posted onto photography website. She did not give her consent for that. She's wondering is that. Gdp are breach department. It's very distressing personally. And she fears. She may be the victim of some kind of a scam. She is in touch with guy. Put his waiting for a response. We also have asked for a statement in this case. We've obviously got more details than we can broadcast. Does anybody have any advice. Are just this sound familiar to anybody. As told you also earlier with fabulous news from our katharine ross murphy. Who was with me a couple of weeks ago. Talking about her book. Catherine's old time cookbook. Wonderful wonderful news. I bring you to ask before the morning is out. Eighteen fifty seven one five nine six coming back as well to the troublesome and unreliable bosses in glen meyer people tend to troublesome unreliable forces elsewhere as well but for now. We've talked about this in the past on the island has one of the lowest breastfeeding rates in the world. Just thirteen seven point. Three percent of mothers are feeding are breastfeeding their baby when they're released from hospital it's one of the lowest in the world. We've often wondered why this is breastfeeding week. Maria o'sullivan from lash breastfeeding joins me. Real good morning has been around for the window good morning. Pj happy national breastfeeding wake unto you. Yes yellow laterally. Orland have been around since nineteen sixty six veins supporting and providing up-to-date accurate information to mothers and families we consistency have such a low race oppressed reading. I guess it's because breastfeeding isn't viewed as portion. I think it's viewed as you know normal that there's benefits there. Obviously but then we have all the marketing tomatoes from once. They're pregnant and Yeah i think it's it's we don't realize the importance of breastfeeding you know the of obviously immunological. Nutritional benefits are huge. But it's it's more for society as well like i mean that. She's wash our national. Breastfeeding week is about feeding. the future. is the team for national breastfeeding in ireland shared responsibility. I don't know if you've got an opportunity to hear our wonderful president. Michael higgins on monday. He attended wepener himself and sabina day addressed a webinar. Were serbia be besieging group. Ireland and the national women's council on the importance of breastfeeding and she spoke very as he always does very eloquently and home. Portion fishes for government to be promoting breastfeeding. And how it could make such a great contribution to her children's health nutrition and development and the billions that could be saved in healthcare Consider it a public health issue. The yes absolutely. Yeah It is. It is publisher. It's it's it's our babies. Were meant to be zhou. It's what most families do want to do for their babies. Almost families do want to breastfeed. They just need to be able to make an informed choice and have the right information and the right support all true their pregnancy And relatively golfers that we have lots of mothers attending when they're pregnant and Guessing information and then you know they have sing on. Did you have their babies. And they can come back to us either by texting us emailing us During a one to one zoom collared moments You know they they nelson then. I suppose thing we're missing at the moment is pregnant. Moms being able to see other women breastfeeding which is a huge support. Because a lot of a lot of women haven't seen other women breastfeeding because as sabine hangings was saying we. We've we've lost the the culture of breastfeeding as well. So you know. A lot of women and children are not growing up seeing breastfeeding in society. Which is you know. That's a huge partial as well where we would consider us ourselves a modern progressive northern hemisphere country. And we've got the lowest rate or one of the lowest rates of breastfeeding in the world. The two given that we know how good it actually is for baby to don't seem to don't say they don't sit well together delay. They don't but we also have one of the largest formula exportations and know darren's or street in orland is well like so you know if you two don't set well together eater and formless available in hospitals and every every person is sports to make to make their own personal choice like bush as i said like most families do want to breastfeed. It's also by her government recognizing birth on on mueller's. No no i'm not suggesting. I mean in england In in hospitals in england karma wouldn't be available. Mothers would british in in in a lot of countries. Stashes how old they just maria you saying that we are overly enthusiastic in our system here about former all. Yeah absolutely like. I mean if you sat down to watch. Tv th nine o'clock you've got the form leads coming in like we can't say marketing does work. It does work marketing. You know makes you feel as her way And like i mean you know you can say that formula is just as good as breasts book and that's what that's where the line comes down like. I mean formula is based on breast milk. so basically. they're just trying to recreate a project that we all as you know Women and our babies have have a right to be fed. Like i mean what would happen in the animal kingdom if we stopped all the animal motors feeding their babies. Good point has the pandemic made it more difficult for you as organization to offer your services. Well i guess we have to do a big big turn on move onto zoom. But it's been working really well. Actually we have lost with mothers attending our missions and kark. We've been offering a meeting every second friday of the month and we have a good attendance and we've had many mothers coming back to us stay. Had their babies in march twenty twenty you have continued on wishes and who have continued to offer support to the new mothers coming in and reassuring the pregnant mothers you know about what's happening in hospitals So we have virtual meetings happening all of the country. We have now arlen meeting happening. Every thursday where mothers can attend from anywhere And and cart is open to mothers attending from anywhere as well. We've had mothers attending from the uk even granny's contracting their josh irs to make sure they get support granddaughters grace for contracting as well So and we're hoping you know in the next couple of months to move back to Face to face meetings. And you know it's important to be able to session room with motorists here them and for them to hear. They're doing a great job and wash averse happening. Where pass motors reassuring them. Where can people contact you. Contact you if you'd like to find out more maria so they can contact me directly if they want to be agitator emailing list on much. You have my number there if you want to give it a and my email address and then there's little league of ireland. We're on instagram. Where on facebook and we're on twitter I think you have. I sent the press release so you should have all those details certainly circulate them to mark national breastfeeding week. Which ones until the seventh. October land leslie. Ireland dot com is the website laddish league ireland. Elliot l. e. c. h. e. a. league ardent dot com there on twitter and facebook and instagram. Maria thank you eight hundred fifty seven one five nine nine six listener. Who hasn't received her wedding. Pictures should consider contacting competition and consumer protection commission who a record of complaints who may have a record of complaints against the same company and can provide advice. Thanks that's from adam. Why doesn't she download the wedding photos. Often the link she found what she could. I suppose but the point is she never gave consent in the first place for them to be linked on that day are on that website. So big problem is she never told the photographer yet. Of course you can put them on. That web session. Never did so now. She's very upset that they're there. And as i say we we have more information that we can share and she's very upset with some of the photographs that were put up there. But thank you for that yes. I should've remembered this Roy already got the freedom of the city. Patrick says i was asset the same days. Sonia o'sullivan in two thousand and five. Frankie i should remember that was in fifty seven one five nine six on a car. I was listening to talk about mental health. In addition to this the mental health daycare center was closed in january. Twenty twenty and has not opened since the agency blamed covert but it hasn't opened tall during any period people that are attending the mental health. Dare cancer still waiting to open government. Said they're committed to mental health. This is an example. The government isn't two years now in january. Nothing's been done. It's a disgrace local. Td's needs to a lot more to get this mental health daycare center open immediately. We've asked the hey chessy for a state. But we know there's a daycare center connected to one a quarter. We knew it was closed. We knew that covert was being blamed but even when covert shall we say was when the restrictions were eased. It's still didn't open what we do know. Also though is that so good was the covert protocols in old occur in a building does not fit for purpose that there wasn't a single case and they're very proud of that down there that the residents the staff and the families there was no case of covert in own cora over the last year and abyss. Eighteen fifty seven one five nine billion line on courts menti six. Fm tonight cardi insurance group. Call them now for motor home. Business life on health insurance. The msg dot e courts six am mental health. Call before we move on by the way. But i'm but we want to is the fascinating history of the jewish community in cork. I was in my had. The daughter in my car Maybe for a couple of weeks ago now and we were driving through what we cork onians call jewtown and i sit there you go. There's this place is called jewtown around. Here she goes what never heard of jewtown. And it's very historic part. Cargo focus on. That is just a sec but people are a lot more aware now of mental health apparently down celebrities telling their stories. What more can we do. Everything needs finance so we support and encourage the government to do that. But i really think there are. Things could be integrated into the education system. I know that you yoga and still fano other. Bits and pieces questioning your behavior learning coping skills and insights into your own condition. You won't prevent or cure the problem because you never will but you can prevent it becoming a big problem. Because that's often the only time people realized they have an issue is in their teens are their twenty s or their thirties inc. The call there is saying look. Let's teach children in school how to watch out for the dangerous signs in their own mental health. I'm deal with it and build resilience in them in school. Build understanding of their mental health. School couldn't heart eighteen fifty seven one five nine nine six. Yes recently we're driving through and just the area of the city known as jewtown and it happened to mention to my daughter is this is this place is called utah is it that she was upbeat with the jews. Not be offended. By that. And i i never thought of it that way but it's a very small community in cork twenty households. At one point there would have been a few hundred jewish families in cork. I remember a famous man. Called the lord mayor mr goldberg. He hip been the solicitor. Think and went. Be lord mayor and i remember being told about jewtown which is interesting and hibernian buildings down there near the old gasworks. If if you know the par it's nearly shen if it wa- musician and go down to the houses there and you'll see a beautiful place called shalom park. That's that's rooty lacks. Good morning to you monning. Pj jurassic question in these woke and enlightened times of ours is the term jewtown considered in any way offensive or is it just part of cork kosher stitch. It's part of cool culture but a few tell people from outside of ireland. The to the is a place in cocoa jewtown. People do react because it does sound because you know houston having it being cold town but i think if people from outside they kind of you know they would react. Surprise kind of like is that you know an insulting. But it's not. I think people call the jewtown. 'cause outside the jewish people lived back in the day. M tell me a little better are are the history of jewtown how it came to be how there came to be a jewish community in cork city in the first place. I mean i think a lot of people that i have met to live. Who had ancestors from that. Would clearly area hibernian buildings jewtown. So i suppose for jewish people they martin cooler than it might have been more the locals with cold it that but how it came to be though houses of very small and i guess that they were cheap to rent on when people from lithuania and belorussia Eastern europe came to ireland late. Eighteen hundreds was a place where they rent houses and You know to to rent in the city centre mode is expensive So i'm in the paper that can came with nothing with very little so That was where people rented at first and then of course as people became more affluent later moved to other areas of the city. So already you know by nine hundred one thousand nine hundred thirty forty would have been very few people just some old people left living in that area at one point. One point i believe was almost entirely yiddish. Speaking down in her in buildings was it. So i think yeah well people would have been speaking yiddish coming over but i mean a lot of i think that might have been thirty or forty jewish houses but most of the houses were at its high but most of the houses would also the catholic local people From coke so wouldn't have been all jewish should not area. It was a mix. And i was very proudly shown a picture of the hurling team which was pop catholic and jewish back in the day. Nineteen zero histories is is fascinated. The synagogue unfortunately closed in in twenty sixteen. So i mean. I know it's a small jewish community. Now where where do you meet to pray. Yes the community. Now i mean you mentioned twenty households and really. I suppose that's probably in the whole county of coq this stage. It might be more households than that but the city itself very few so we were not meeting very often dupree book. The full lockdown Sometimes the high holy days jewish new year would be renting rooms. Blue columbine us And then actually have been more services during lockdown because we need on zoom yes which allowed people to you know to join from the comfort of their own home because we're so scattered because as members of the jewish community now that the living like all over months really that part of the current community Have a central place in the city would be massive traveling for everybody. I remember visiting the synagogue just wondering in to look at small and it was a beautiful place inside very sad to see it. Close talked me about at green feather boa routine which is kind of a celebration of the history and i'd like to talk about green feather boa because i'm not really a historian. I'm a musician. And i play jewish music and jazz few tra tunes and a lot of different things in playing for years but i decided to write a musical play. Set in coke in jastremski and Yeah i. I started writing and researching. I cooled at great grandma's story at the beginning just for working title. But as i was researching writing and the creative juices flowing The storyline came to include a random green for the bubble which then became the name. Alsi dalton musical play very much. It's been really fun. So it's a story of three generations of women and the men in their lives and The growing jewish in coke sue a couple of generations and yeah people's experiences people's relationships with the politics of the country it The time line of the plays nineteen fifteen to nineteen fifty five. So it's quite extensive. And yeah there's a lot of fun songs and kinda history and politics and culture and fantasy as well of course under the restrictions of kovic so so that panties interesting really interesting because we were going to be performing a part of the players. Parts of coq midsummer festival we were lined up in. Twenty twenty two puts it on Nano nagle place and the the alternative bread company had agreed to baker. This massive fallow. You know the jewish plotted low. So that would be on friday nights so we were. That was going to be one well. Props on bureau setup lined up with either two singers and musicians and than. Kobe happened so everything was rejigged. And yeah we did a lot of reworking. The play with katrina Odometer director and the tom doyle he wrote music arrangements to the song. Cerebral able to do those things in our own homes and with zoom meetings and so on Now that we can start and other weeks time to go out again and go to theaters again any chance we might it on stage. Because i think i'd love to. Oh i'm absolutely hoping we'll go to full production and let's say twenty two twenty three but obviously toronto. Musical play is a massive production. And i'm just musician. So and really. That's part of why you know it's going to be on the online festival this sunday and I'll be sort of talking about it and trying to get myself. A producer somewhere in the world produces plague. so i think it's of interest outside of islanders. Well people are very interested in the irish jewish story It's a fascinating story. It's for the world. I'm in a contacted from canada. The america and israel. And i love man and you know okay. Well scott we look forward to when you can actually put it on stage. Do let us know when you can and when it might happen. Look forward to seeing an forward to hearing more about routine lacks the writer of green feather boa written in lockton written during covert about the history of the cork jewish community. Dan charting the life loaves as it were a three generations of jewish women who eighteen fifteen and the nineteen fifties people who lived in jewtown agent which thankfully it is not considered offensive eighties. Just where they lived. Which is i. I wanted to candle. People get offended and think these days bush. Let's put that went to bed. Eighteen fifty seven one. Five nine nine takes changed a bit of a follow on to a story. We spoke about on the opinion few weeks back. That was about the coroner's court we reminded ourselves Covering the coroner's court with moore aid and indeed previously with fiona. We haven't actually had a coroner's court cartel properly for quite some time and spoke to a family recently. Variable ch- disconcerted by that. Been some follow on in the door. Harry the billion line on courts mentese six. Fm we can that cardi insurance group calling in person or call them now. They just talk to talk. They walked the mig accessible areas on. Cork's nine thousand six michael here with an update corks entertainment. The colleen or cortes was formed to west court chamber music festival in nineteen ninety nine. I've gone on to enjoy hugely successful. 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Sin interesting when i get to it in a while. There's still a few suggestions coming in as to what that woman does. Who is very worried about. What her is don't she. Views been scammed. 'cause she paid the photographer fronton now. She can't get the pictures and other pitchers website and all of that revenue. No record of the of the photographer. We follow that one up. Bought reminder taste join. Trevor welch for premier league live saturdays from midday on ninety-six dodi powered by talk sports. Pre-match analysis live commentary exclusive interviews and post match breakdowns. Brought to you by now your sport on your terms stream only the games that matter to you. Most with now to primarily live on. Saturday the corks ninety-six fm app or go tonight six fm dot. I e let us return to the discussion. We had in the last hour bus services. Lindmeyer this is the to fourteen which is unreliable. So people say down there contacted by rubber. Good morning to you. If take morning. You wanted to make your own point about the both services in that area. Yeah it's just a follow on what they were saying on. Tv multiple admire and if very very about like their unafraid. Air almost guaranteed to be waiting an hour and two o'clock. I'm out from from announcing and it said the to fourteen because there several times a day. a unpopular van landmark. And if it's like my friend of mine they're not knock my cry herself. She's waiting yesterday. Parking five minutes and i. She's pregnant and she. She seems to like an i. It's not gonna work during during the winter. You know the the rain and the weather is going to run the trouble up like what's the timetable for out there. Because i think some of the moments had before ten. We're saying what the timetable on paper looks. Great but in reality is not being delivered. Yeah it was. It was every half an hour. But it's supposedly every twenty minutes. And i think in the mid week i if the county okay but Italy teed did that they'd things show up like one time. Get a bus from john. Myer tanaka and and the driver came in and we would knock on the front of the bus and say. He said he apologized for that. Route has just been cancelled. so he he. He was due to go out there and he'd been copying times a couple of minutes before he would go out there. And i was like what do you know i mean i understand you use a creature. So what do i do and during the winter. It'll be you know it's going to be a huge problem and and we taxes and kark are are used with your way better twenty years ago but there. You can't get them. no share. Taxi service was better twenty years ago. Oh yeah yeah much much better. We get used to that another day but the last post that would your ways half six. Yeah yeah yeah which you know. We're hoping to maybe but there at some stage will away for one as well. Because i mean in terms of socialize getting into the city and stuff by you know a lot of people not crying. It's very off no and we need to label you know. I don't know sunday service. Either for just seems mad. I mean white. I is there a sunday service from dan. Meyer a yeah yeah you come see parker. Run the rest of the roof. Yeah yeah yeah. It would be spitting. Mad isn't as what we as. I said the the moms dan. Meyer have asked both erin for more information And we've asked both aaron more information so we'll see comes of that robert. Thank you for getting in touch. Also charlie ring in kilcooley monitor high. Pj how you doing good good good. No bus service hang on. Is there still noble screwing up to whites cross and what. I can't speak for specifically whites cross. I believe i believe as far as i know. There isn't what i'm i'm over in cali And you know a couple years ago there. We were brought into the city. We we will come to relate for free. You know previous. you're not connections. Yeah and we have no at all We we There there used to be kind of regular ash. Buff service going to carry navarre which would pass along their a dublin hill old past The black man. Paul and then oh takagi navarre but that's after being rerouted through white church. 'cause i didn't know maybe the theme there was more people out there but we we have a huge population. Kit call you know there's roles monsters many hoses and you have sinkat from san mateo. There you have the soccer. Say mary soccer club and a bringing by sales going on there. All the time you regular bus would ask what. Pj i try know. I'd say that the the dead would stage coach. going going. Going to dodge city would have been more frequent than than the character powerball snow. I believe it's only for monday. No no it's only once a week on wednesday they win. Nobody uses it because they can't depend on once a week boss charlie. Isn't that the gas thing who leave government telling us about public transport we have the climate change people telling us we have to out of the car and into the boss into the train. What i don't end of that road towards bridge. They're stolen bridge at the bottom of the call and from my house to the main road there. There's avoid asian cars and they all have to use all the time because you there's no boss to catch You have to go over to kim vira together boss the tour seven and last year. Joel cabinet the The mayor promised the community that the bus the bus would be extended out. All it has to do was come over a few more stops and maybe even loop around by stirrup flights crossed their hand. You know yourself now. Charlie i close if you more stops and loop or owned by the that practically has to be cleared by the united nations true. I think to the agenda agenda for their next conference in malta or somewhere i remember when they were extending the two zero two. Tha belen colleague. Gino was a very logical. Stop another four hundred yards. Yes oh god. The pope had to intervene. I bought now and they're they're actually finally serving under oath at the moment this week. For for for patent lighting in that wrote After year decades narrowly of requests. So they're finally making a budget with this this bosses and other thing though and we're prior to this when i let me of having to get here by the un or the pope the difficulty. Actually leave it there. Charlie thanks to difficulty actually is is the the mta counselor. John maher john good morning. Good morning beach. Things the n. T. a. n. got the united nations. Might be easier all it is. It's very frustrating art for the residents. Like i mean i. I know the way they speak for those to call less than three kilometers from the city center and we also have a service for them at our expense wage crossing off to opera that moyer and three years ago these an issue ten years ago. This was an issue russia. A program moyer was thirty years ago with the promise of both service you know. The people bought the hoses on the plan to sink. That'd be a both service there. There's enough and yes you know. You can share people's frustrations then when we hear about the claim crisis that we have that we cut our carbon basically put those little. Both their people maintain guess into tone to do their business to get to college to get to work. And i suppose. I'll blake again. We'll hear at all. It's coming last year and just before cold it was probably was in twenty and twenty nine thousand nine hundred. Am we go down to come down from the ncaa. I remember one of the most asked to come. We have shored star connects and see knots at all of this but again years on as far as little daunting for these communities and you know which is very frustrating. No twenty on sherlock leave. We've asked them to look at a local link which again you know because we're old options in the sense of funding from the post next. Look into this. Putting those connects is a bulge improving in not who establishing on community told him. And i think no. It's trained that we get something going on and has to come from national government. You i would say is but the bottom line is our hands. Are we sending the questions we ask for. I'm going to come down to address park city combs and then we're getting answers. Old boss connects not. The decision cannot be made locally. You might have times. John for that concert john my her that everybody. You could have all cooperation. You want locally from the bus drivers and there's no boss driver will disagree with him and it says when you say kill kali needs of both service. Robert needs a better service. Knock you know. The people in glenmore need better bush service for the kids to go to school and nobody insight. Both serum would disagree with you but it's opd there up their national. Nta they're the ones you've to convince and they're the ones you've got to today. Tell the boss where can go if you want to extend that both strobes. May's my buddy. Kiron delaney is brilliant with this and i named checking him because his understanding of it is phenomenal. Like if you want the boss to go another hundred yards. The national transport of heresy has to authorized that so the bulls. Aaron can make it happen. Dennis we can fly again but you still got one of these famous vouchers new chasing it around. Good morning good morning. Pj nice to talk to you again. You are your listeners. Might have helped me on just one on a very quick Also slice was in twenty seven of august twenty twenty to orlando so we're the option of paying four hundred. Yours are paid the full amount. So i went with painful amount. We caesar that's wisconsin. So i use my coach again. On june twenty twenty one got that's subsequently was cancelled as what so then i said. Can you get my money back onto gone down to post your whole now and you have to stick with about lincoln and they say oh your choice the voucher horse. So we're not getting back any morning. Okay no big deal. I was going to use. It's okay. america was closed so the next thing. Anyway they say I said well okay. Can you reassure. I notified so quickly. So they say yeah we we can do that. No problem so kind moves on onto now. America has opened up. And i get emails every day. Both a book your flight to america using so i said failed showed 'cause i already votes number i have i'll make quite booking i want to make my booking down to orlando. I wouldn't accept that. It says that it does so. I got up to somebody and they said no no you use that voucher in twenty twenty one yet. But i said defiant note wisconsin. So i couldn't use so they say okay we. We would organize that. I heard the more i can. I got a very nice lad and oakland and listen. I'd put your request and again. I know two weeks ago by if are not again. It's like cows remember that level. Where the office as cobwebs on the phone. You can pick up the phone coach. I think i've actually because i can't. I can't make any progress on this like you know and i'm just wondering for advice from somebody right so you're you're now trying to use one of the vouchers that you were issued during the pandemic renault flights going and can't get to use it and they've charge you a surcharge because the vulture has expired. Which party. because you didn't use it and you're trying to get it sorted and you're trying to get onto human being dennis. Thanks to that. We'll see if anybody can come up with anything because that's one of the best ones verdon away. He has the vote your he's trying to users and she chased himself around the world to get an opportunity antibody. Dennis we the opinion line on cork's ninety six fm. Sharon's group call them now for motor home business farm life on health insurance the g. e. the minds are love and we're ready to talk. Eighteen fifty seven one. Five nine nine texter. What's up boys. Three nine thousand. Six hundred ninety six ninety-six canal opinion be a premium mind with. Pj coogan on cork's ninety-six. Jaren busy this morning in response to some stuff. We've been talking. Boats have both erin in particular and the root issues around the place. It's not just to to fourteen people bringing up with complaints about other routes to just on crime. Paul byrne tweeting at the moment barna virgin media tweeting that a search is underway for man who put a knife to a taxi drivers throat and rubbed a similar bony. Inbev land this morning. We've asked guy the first statement on this when we know more. So will you. But paul from virgin media some folk took a knife to attack driver. This morning held a knife to his throat. Rub money round if land as soon as we find out more. So will you eighteen. Fifty seven one five nine six wants to think about something. How would you feel about nuclear power if the government decided that in order to ease our emissions ease our dependence on fossil fuels and use more clean sustainable way of generating interest that we would go nuclear. Supposing that was to happen how would you feel about it. Lobby group the experienced qualified lobby group. Now calling the goldman to at least look at that option. Talk to them in a while on breastfeeding and lash. Let's not forget as the media often does that. There are good reasons physical and mental some. Mums choose not to breastfeed. It is not the best solution for everyone. Well i agree with you. Mr aren't there are some people who simply cannot are simply do. It's not feasible for them. I don't think the media is pushing breastfeeding on anybody though east. I don't. I certainly could not be accused. Battles often wondered why we've got such a low rate of it in this country compared to the rest of the world on bosses tracy says hi. Pj putting loads of complaints into boss. Aaron not heard anything back. This one's about the two. Oh seven not turning. Up are coming too early at the killed. Barry stop on dublin hill and then sitting at then heights for twenty minutes saturday. I waited fifty. Five minutes for the bus have now started walking into town. Which is great when it's not raining but a disaster when it is also on the phone we decided to caroline vallon colleague orbital boss. Presume this the to twenty to see what it's like to we said we'd get on and caroline gwala the way around and see if there were interesting places we can go to our shopping along the route two and a half hours. We'd have been in dublin never again. It is bit slow. Eighteen fifty seven one. Five nine nine six. It'll bring you that thing about holy communion which i'm holding over purely for space and wearing gonna put it in to that if we can before the hour also am saying here i back. They're spoofing on a boat. Oh it's not possible to do a four day week wouldn't be feasible. It wouldn't be this. Wouldn't doing it all over the world. Bec companies doing it all over the world and already starting to do it. All over ireland remembered at dennis. Sweeney the solicitor was on me in september. We'll we'll let you hear that in a while but this group calls itself nuclear power ireland eighteen four zero and they say there's no credible plan in art and to get to net zero emissions by twenty fifty and this group wants a citizens assembly to consider using nuclear energy. It is illegal at the moment to use nuclear power in ireland to develop nuclear power in this country and this group is now trying to put pressure on the minister for the environment and when to at least explore it as an option to lessen our requirement for fossil fuels dentist. Dove represents the group eighteen zero morning. Dennis good you see the thing about. Nuclear energy is people are afraid of it dennis because we you know you mentioned nuclear power and people think sure noble fukushima island windscale afraid of it absolutely i can i can understand. That is a very fair for people to be afraid of something that you can't say and you've got little experience but if could just come back for one second paycheck watch saying about. How would you see as the government decided to look to install new energy where we're a long long long long long long way away from that at the moment because the government in fact has refused to look won't even look on c. Is there any chance that may be useful. And we think that's the wrong policy and that's really what whereas in eighteen zero. We're not a nuclear lobby group. And we're another for having a credible clean energy policy and we just think that won't doesn't exist at the and from listening to to the news there just moments chop td and he was talking high-energy prices on the possibility that people could die from energy shortage. This isn't just a remote possibility. The shortage in texas in the united states in february of this year which has the most renewable energy concentration of anywhere in the united states and two hundred people died as a result of the energy shortage for this is a really critical issue that we have reliable on affordable clean energy. Anouk sure is a really difficult topic. Nobody wants to discuss new care at it. Like we prefer not just go on and i'm produced. Are there programs. I'm just let us have clean reliable affordable energy. But it's just not happening that way. Why not sure if they don't want to talk about nuclear. I would suggest to you. Sure noble and like they don't want to know about it because they see what happened over there in nineteen ninety-six and they live in more fear. That something that could happen. Here i can. I can understand that But partly to do with the fact. It's it's a difficult topic as a longtime topic and we are more programs. Don't as individuals to think more short term but to look at seconds it was a draftsman. Uk accent on. It should never have happened. But the sign was designed. It would never be acceptable in the west and was never built like out in the last on. The operation of us could never happen in the west It's it's a bit like saying for instance We can't have an rc. Fatty because look of titanic. The situations could lead to change with nuclear energy nuclear she. The designers never designed like the data in the soviet union. Anywhere every again. We never did it like that in the west and we would never operate like there's been huge improvements in the designed operators ever since on also the secret nuclear for islands is the fact that much smaller actors and now becoming available on his really. We think orange interest job look and see. Would it be better to put in some these rather than go down the corridor. Old policy of sticking ahead and found stuck paul dean and energy researcher earlier in the week and brought hope to subject of nuclear with them and he was saying that building a reactor in ireland is probably too expensive for the size of the economy. Our not really paul. Paul is really good and energy. Recession some communicator. But if you take for instance what are the small reactors that they're trying to build in the stolen. Which european union nations open the baltics about the same size as ireland's and they're trying to install a small modular reactor. It'll cost around about one billion euros. That's a million yours. Which sounds like when you consider that earlier in the year the pronounce for offshore wind on the west of our highest you facility which is going to cost five billion euros on the news. A angie come on the following day to to offer his support. I and said that we need another twenty five of these. So that's a hundred and forty billion euros for part of the solution whereby the the the privately funded symbolic actor is coming in at one billion. I'm john. I'm just marriages if you have a copy project of one hundred and thirty billion euros. The knights of our even one percent per year is one point three billion just to maintain. It's gonna last years you've got a six billion euro replacement costs every year. That's three chills. Hospitals just to maintain just to stay stale so energy is an energy. Infrastructure is very expensive but our research on in fact three starts. Paul dana has dawn has shown that 'electricity prices because my are much cheaper when showed a dispatcher low-carbon technology like nuclear rather than just going one hundred nobles which are corn club. One hundred percent. Renewable is is the ideological best practice. I guess for for reducing our carbon but compared to say gas or compared to say Oil-fired like trysofi. Where does new coming in terms of its emissions and its cleanliness. Shakoti isn't it but we all know. Colin are filthy and oil is dirty as well. People call Gas low carbon transition fuel. But it's nothing like in fact. Gas is half story in the bishop's carbon emissions of coal on its own for half the nation's of on now that means it's lower so it's a help but it's not the solution so that's why even the ours policy is to go one hundred percent renewables boss airbridge. Yes talking to your dog committee on this. We need an extra two thousand megawatts of new generation over before behind with them all and by just to keep the lights on on. Although our policy is to try and get one hundred percent renewables eventually fanciable countries like france. I decided the officers. The trick is to go is to concentrate on despite you know. Carbon unsafe nuclear energy gases if gas is an this is my own coining of phrase if gas is the cleanest of adore to loss. How does nuclear compare. Well just to put some figures on us if you're looking at emissions per unit about trysofi say cold is around nine hundred units on is about seven hundred guys. Nearly five hundred nuclear is about twelve twelve. Yes about the same as wind energy. That's elsa zero folks faces. Well that's why it's called zero hero emissions technology Even solar is lok is low-carbon. But it's like forty eight or fifty That's why i'm on. Other countries are looking installing more and more nuclear is to achieve zero carbon society back observation made by caller on the phone here who said back in the sixties the government did some extensive research into nuclear energy and the overriding. Fear was that it would somehow get into the hands of of a terrorist and now. Isn't that even a more relevant fear than it was back then. It's it's very remote possibility for the extremely unlikely. There's how would they get in. What would they do with like fuel does there are easier ways for terrorists to interfere with society. Tonto make dorchi nuclear bomb. They have never done. They've never they never tried it because it is really really difficult to do. It would take almost government level of research and investment if people got in and stalled spent field for instance they. They wouldn't get far without having not just the security on the box was very high. Dose radiation from fresh fuel would cause some almost certain death within a certain period of time because the Away in their car and other jeep or whatever they were the question that will come into people's minds. Now look where a long way away from even to discussion the head of lettuce put ourselves into the position that we could have maybe one of these small and generators in the country. We are facing down the barrel of explosives and gas going through the roof pricewise and that was going to affect an awful lot of people are low incomes and fixed incomes. They're gonna show struggled through this winter and winter is to come would bringing nuclear into the market help in that regard yes absolutely won't own research chills coming proposed of nuclear after twenty thirty would reduce the wholesale price of actress by about four percent rather than going just what it one hundred percent renewable solution now. These figures are based on international. It's national data. Now it's our own research. They're open scrutiny remember. Pj that the only thing we're done expensive at atrocity is no electricity painfully short. We have a situation whereby we at our energy policy appears to be an. It'll disarray at the mall. In the last few we've had all we need a nurse generation or else you might just and then shortly afterwards. We sake need an urgency generation and then we have a seventy percent or new lunch program on the belief has just been changed which is really difficult to achieve on the believe. It's not want you to eighty percents and it's possible. People are just making taking figures out of the air. It doesn't seem that we have a credible solution. As gods are we actually going to say the new twenty. Torchy's how are we going to power. Society wins foreseeable unreliable damage. That's king took me to the other question. I guess is that we are also being asked to get rid of our petrol and diesel and even our hybrid cars over the next number of years and for there to be a million a million electric cars on the road by twenty thirty now. Even if that were possible in the motor trade itself will tell you that it's not if you were to put them all in to charge. You couldn't by the kettle so would care. Be solution for that. Of course is the only low-carbon sparkle power source available at the moment. Look it's not. It's not an easy if won't be easy to to to to to go nuclear on. It won't be it won't be quick. It will take between trump and fifteen years but there is no no carbon solution. That's going to be any foster only that we really have to start looking at now. If we're going to have a chance to have the clean energy and twenty thirty five even honest we most dropped the law. We must dropped out of bounds near because it's ridiculous m it doesn't stop us using 'cause we get it through the interconnectors what it just stops us having your own nuclear okay. Okay the very predictable questions coming in. Please ask you guessed how much it costs to remove and store the spent and used uranium For the one thousand years of its radioactive life and another one that says new care sounds granted and cheap until you figure in decommissioning. Wanted to do with the waste. Even the lower waste plants of the future produced proton affect waste. That still needs special handling. This'll be like plastic. Everyone would be all on board onto. Suddenly it's impossible to get rid of as waste as big an issue as it used to be in shorts and we know take all the reasons subjection. uk energy way says the most popular. What is the least founded of all generations technologies new. The only one that has actually managed a store. All of its radioactive. All of its waste from start to finish the cost of managing and disposing waste on. Decommissioning station is built into the price of energy from the nuclear power station on a still provides energy cheap enough for over twenty countries to think. It's good to over wages gold. Oh dennis i mean the coroner noblest still hot like no so the waste. Where's the first of all. Uranium comes from the ground. It's a metal so what we do is naked into. They concentrated on that. Waste comes out of a nuclear power station. They put it into a cooling pond like swimming pool or the levers for five to ten years. Once it goes down saved and stored in the kosc in the big cost engineer. above ground. We could store all of our orlands nuclear waste for all of our 'electricity in a building the size of national basketball arena. We know where it is. It's secure on an all sixty years close of nuclear energy waste. Not a single person has been harmed are injured from that waste. It is the best ways from power saws. It sounds odd but when we look at the details you say actually you know what i found out. I was down in concerts and county wexford. Where wanna send sansa. Almost everything on taught. I knew about nuclear and console turned out to be wrong. Okay lever there for today. Did want to touch upon us and thanks for being with us. Debt set dennis dolf represents a group called eighteen. They're advocating nuclear power for ireland which is currently illegal under the doll. I don't they say they say that. Nuclear power is a great way to deal with our climate emergency because if it's low emissions and that if you're going to get to net zero twenty fifty which is what we're told we have to do. Save the planet then you need to bring nuclear into the mix. Caller says. They should ban all cars in the cities. It's that simple as buses and taxis. If you ban the cars there'd be more. I know we need exceptions. Should be a licensed based system. Tear that to the people in the end the to fourteen. There we're going to ban cars in the city's eight that simple. Tell them open where we open open. Kilcooley tell them open more hellos people we pan all the all the cars just like that to save the planet ain't gonna happen. Speaking of which is a statement has been issued to us from bush. Erin on the glen. Meyer serves. It'll bring into shortly the opinion line on cork's monte six. Fm we can car insurance group and call in person or call them now. They just talk to talk. They walked along the g. Jimmy progress me legal for best. Football league in the world is war here. He's going to go kill the primarily powered by top sports. Join me trevor. Welch exclusively online ninety-six fm dot as we round up the excitement for the day's biggest games bringing pre much ellison's live commentary and in depth interviews with some legends of this bores with now joining the experience with nass fords or sports extra membership. Listen every saturday exclusively online ninety-six fm donaghy or download the cork's ninety six fm app. Interesting political shenanigans going on east cork fit follow. Td james o'connor the youngest td. The dog is threatening to quit in fall. What that's the story that i think has broken. Aaron carter today. Daniel mcconnell editor of the examiner tweeting corky. Td james claims. He was misled over the national development plan and has threatened to quit the party. We'll see where that goes at. I think we have a call into him but he's not at the end of the phone just yet. We got that statement to the headphones on their feeling. We got that statement about our from aaron about the two one for and delays out dan meyer knock and other areas. What what are they saying. Yes so they've issued us with the quieter lengthy statement this morning to say that they do regret the inconvenience to to customers in the one to apologize for and they said that they acknowledged how frustrating days when the ball services nasha running to timetable. And they say that they do. Try to keep to schedule at all times but There have been a number of issues that affected affected them in recent weeks. They've szeged that This is many due to severe traffic congestion across various parts of the route depending on the time of day for example in the city centre. Typically it takes three minutes to travel between patrick st mccartan streets over the past six weeks. It's taken up to thirty minutes. This is compounded by stop-go system roadworks at spar hill which exasperate the situation at peak times would be in place until the end of the year which is not good news. Obviously for people who are using both service and they've satisfied boss erin endeavors to service the route using double decker vehicles and boss aaron's couple depot is due to receive additional double decker vehicles in the coming one source was that is good news for people. They've also said that. They carry out daily review after punctuality on during the day a men's amend the service detroit. Keep them scheduled to departure times and if anybody doors have any complaints or issues that they want to report they can contact sirens customer. Care one eight fifty eight three six six one one. That's operational between seven. Am and seven pm. monday to friday unfamiliar. Am to six pm. Saturday sunday and public holidays and any advice. For 'em passengers on bosses can be found on boss. Aaron dot e. Okay all right fielder. Thank you for that issuing that statement to the opinion and this morning in response to calls we had an indeed campaign that began on deep moms or denmark. Facebook page and we were talking to them this morning. That's the state. We have this as a lot of different things going on. Roadworks delays jetro tech. Doesn't actually help someone standing in the rain. Waiting for both voted goes some way to explain. Why so i just wanted to update you on the situation with the guys linked weights in the coroner's court you'll remember. That's i was speaking to evan last month about the stress. The delay is putting on his family. They're waiting for inquest into his brother. Anthony's debt and can't get closure on the debt without an inquest during covert the coroner's court court seven in washington street has been closed used as an office actually to to allow people to social distance leading very linked weights. It's been raised in the door by thomas gould and don't earlier action fain they've the karner has to fit in wherever he can. Td's said that the karner can't do his job more. Funding is needed. Families are left waiting. They are going to keep up the pressure so they've raised that one in the door today speaking of the door the youngest. Td in the door. Just to repeat wos danielle mcconnell of the examiner saying cork keast td. James o'connor claims that he was misled about the national development plan. He doesn't say how but misled but the national development plan and he's threatening to quit. Trina fall see where that goes ages on courts mentese six. Fm mccarthy insurance group called for motor home business farm life on health insurance. The horse ninety six fm email do it nuclear power wonder what the greens think about nuclear thought new carry. The uk increased cancer in ireland wind. Power up the west and bugs has led to big movement. But you don't hear about that. Multiple nuclear reactors would be the death of ireland. People pushing the same obviously. Have their pockets in mind. Acm look it's a conversation. We wanted to start with. Zero goes asian fifty seven one nine nine. Six book came out earlier this year. Called what love looks like was written by jar. Let gregory and it centers around seventeen year old call. Ben ben is gay very happy for most most of the time storm at school. He's got good career out ahead of him. All worried about is who's going to fall in love with the guy. If his dreams still into clauses best pal is more interested in nights in the nights and he's still on the run from the school bully and top of everything is is friend goes awol just when he needs her the most. Everything's changing around ben's life and it's a tough time. Far amid booked falls into the young adult category and tricky by charlotte. Gregory jarrett could warning to you good morning. Pj how are you good what what inspired that story been story and was there an event or something. You've been planning on doing anyway. Yes a good question. So i think the big inspiration ford was really around the game irish referendum in ireland in two thousand fifteen dot can't have got me thinking about and was going to be as mc change in our society one way or the other whether a pass or whether it didn't that was going to say something about high far we'd come in terms of accepting gay rights and i told her be very interested to write from the perspective of a younger person for him. All this normal. You know we're used to the kind of the old fashioned stories of coming and maybe rejection by society. And all that. But i think things have changed and i think the debate iran the gay marriage referendum really showed how far things have changed on. I thought it would be interesting to show that these days and people are coming is very often. You've already got your support of friendship group. Your family are more than likely going to be supportive but not everything's perfect so there's those bullies in your life that you've got to do it and i talked about. Why not jump off their seventeen year old perspective What's the reaction would since early in the year in the spring. It's been great so far. You never know how these things are going to go. You can't you can't get ahead of yourself but you have to hope for good reviews and luckily the reviews have been grad. So i'm very happy with how it's being launched. So far was very difficult launching upon damage. of course. because it's especially hard for booksellers and people like that who really wants to meet people and put the book in their hands and have a chat about us and down. Fortunately wasn't happening at the very beginning but now things are opened up again. I think it's read opportunity for dot gain of hans on bouc salvin award amazed to get one again so let's grab for for my book and february That was launched this year. I don't know how long has since you were. Seventeen was the world. When i was seventeen was a very different place to what it is now. I had a great friend in school. Who was gay and the bullying or intimidation in school was just just awful. I don't know what it was like in your time but with all the changes in society now jar less dat had that youngsters still struggle with the realization that they're gay and where where they might go with it but they're going to do with that's a really good question so i mean i grew up in a very different time as well. They grew up with the ninety s. I'm in my forties. But i still remember what it was like in those teenage years because i think the hardest thing to make youngsters understand or come to realize is that like being. I just wasn't the norm back then. I'm sure you remember that as it was normal to be. You know a now these days. There's a lot more people who are right there. Celebrities arash Gay representation and all forms of media. That's fantastic so i think that's the biggest change. Is that when youngsters. Realize organic culminate. Now i think the big difference is that they know there's going to be a certain level of support. I don't think people will struggle so much with being gay. They'll struggle with people's reaction to them being you know they're worried about high paper going to react but they no already at this stage dot. There's largely going to be a lot of support which she wouldn't have known maybe twenty years ago but that's great. That's a great positive change. And i think this i would like to reflect on. The book is while i would like to reflect a more modern our society that shows some of that progress. Ben has also been accepted by his stepdad in particular. We piece in the book. Do you think that it is easier now for gay people to come out at home because the more i read on social media people who are out and and and coming out there it seems to be that the parent is the hardest incoming house. Is that still the case. Do you think. I think it probably is under. No i think part of this is that it's really hard to talk to anybody who's parents regardless of who you are. It's really hard to talk to your parents with any aspect of sexuality. You know you're always going to be the cade the baby to grow you've grown up with the mostly if the stepfather. It might be different in ben's guest but largely speaking. They're gonna known you from a child and you know as a teenager. You're changing your and this about yourself. It's just really hard to talk to parents about us. So i do think that is probably still the biggest hurdle but i think that the good thing is that they used as parents are probably more vocal in their support of gabby police. You get kids. Have an idea part. Their parents are going to react. If they think it's going to be bad. They have a chance to talk to other people. I or maybe like a softened up their parents of this before they get into the nitty gritty. Elvis you know. Ben has a nice monto life to finish. Change brings all kinds of possibilities. You just have to be ready to see them. There's a lot in that sentence. yeah. I think so gam. Were they given any spoilers. You know a lot of that has to do with the identity of some of the characters on friends that he makes along the way on his journey in the book and ben's grip strength is that he takes people as he meets them. He's willing to see them for who they are. And that opens up a lot of possibilities not just for friendship but also in the end for the love and his life all right. Listen jared thank you for being with us. that's charlotte. Gregory author of a book called looks like published earlier this year available in all good good bookstores. And there's an e book as well four day week which is coming up before the committee. This morning we were talking about it here months ago. I bake have said own. All couldn't do that whole god. That'd be awful hard. That'd be could we couldn't possibly do that. Couldn't make that pay. Dennis sweeney lister was on me on the second of september. Sure he's already tunis. Parson injury medical negligence all firm s. Fourteen with very serious matters day in day out for helping people all the time and it can be quite stressful. It's quite relentless. And i've been looking at. How do we help myself. My own wellbeing and physical mental health and wellbeing of the staff. And i saw four day week and we talked about it about a month ago to bring it in. We don't try this. We the three day weekend now friday saturday and sunday off mac again on the monday morning. We have no loss of out. We have no business hours it's all compacted into four days for this is we've brought it in. We've actually is our second week of doing it so we've done it all last week and this week finished at a cup. We won't tell. I won't be open tomorrow. Obviously in the league business teams outside. It's outside of our control like court dates and order matters. Look we just did what those day rise desert. That's doing this. I baker above. Tell them the erupted. Groom you can do that. I think was going to end up. Doing a lot of people will end up doing a four day week. Whatsapp message scammers out there. I felt i gave my address my information. Please send warnings. I'm running off to report to the guards. Another buses paul says if aaron drivers parked property it stops not used the bus lane on merchants key as the parking lot instead of driving lane. Some services might be helped with poem. Shula's he josephine's complaining vodafone. Is there trouble with vodafone getting calls or messages today. Thanks for that. they won't. They only went in goblins. Elves married dawn and dale two of the sarah's of the irish version of google books dawn. How are you congratulations. thanks so much. The whole country was. Oh luke they winching gopher buried. Wasn't that great big day the other day such day and like the response of people is outstanding people are so nice and like Festive relatives this was always ten for that day's or did you have to change changes. Yeah it was the second we liked. The way looks written down seconds ten twenty one and then also it's the kark area code or two zero two one more pre owned car so we of dish. I never talked to death toll fee. Where's the honeymoon tannery. And we are literally to hop on the bus to go to the airport. So you're lucky yukata good twenty. I'm going out there next summer. And i was looking at a web webcam. Yes is twenty six degrees out there. No so i hate y'all ready but in how's house been the house the gogo box been. It's a strange program. It's one of those. 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Like and because everything everyone says honest you agree with straightaway. That's like you relate to them and they're like your best friends geno maybe it's a trade secret de no you're being filmed or is it random that the camera comes on to know what new were so used to it. We don't know what's going on in fairness like if you've watched the show we've been in. Our pajamas told me a homey. Mom makes penis to from my dies. Like we've left a loads of family secrets. So you know we're gonna just forget it's even happening or just work at home watching. Tv's when people call up and say hello was kind of like. Oh hi washing tv. There's a bit of celebs. Data's goes who did know people recognize you industry. The response to the wedding was huge. If you actually had big party you could have field hockey cuiv. I'd say no. I'd hold clark would have been there. But the response to the wedding is obscenity. Crazy i think the full doesn't stop to gosh from sean from carcass like oscar. 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Champagne Sharks Book Club: The Image Pt. 1

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Champagne Sharks Book Club: The Image Pt. 1

"Champagne sharks. How's it going this trevor. We are doing. The image by daniel burstein the full actual name is the image a guy to pseudo events in america. A lot of the book is at first a setup and then it gets kind of the meat of it of what it's about like about three or four chapters in but the setup is important you know but you'll get kind of a sense of where it's heading from this but starting this off readings going to be a rich adidas elitist. So if you don't mind doing the introduction and the first chapter we did not do our usual thing of Recording beforehand so. We're not sure how long this recording is going to be but we can figure out on the fly. If you wanna finish the chapter ends up going too long we might Stop it halfway through. But we'll figure it out as we go but without further ado Rich whenever you're ready feel free to get started all right. Thanks. y'all yes. The image got suitable events in america by daniel j boston introduction extravagant expectations in this book. I described the world of are making how we have used our wealth. Our literacy our technology and our progress to create the thicket of unreality which stands between us and the facts of life i recount historical forces which have given us this unprecedented opportunity to deceive ourselves and to be fog our experience. Of course. america's provide the landscape and has given us the so the opportunity for the speed of national self hypnosis but each of us individually provides the market and the demand for the allusions which which flood our experience. We want and we believe these lucians because we suffer from extravagant expectations. We expect too much of the world. Our expectations are extravagant in the precise dictionary. Sense of the word quote going beyond the limits of reason and or moderation and quote their obsessive. We pick up the newspaper of breakfast. We expect no. We demand that it brings us momentous events cincinnati before we turn on the car radio as we drive to work and expect the news to have occurred since the morning newspaper went to what the press turning in the evening. We expect our house not only to shelter us to keep us warm in the winter and cool in the summer but to relax us to dignify us to encompass us with soft music and interesting hobbies to be a playground a theater and a bar. We expect a two week vacation to be romantic exotic cheap and effortless. We expect a faraway atmosphere if we go to a nearby place and we expect everything to be relaxing data terry and americanized if we go to a faraway place. We expect new heroes every season in literary masterpiece every a dramatic spectacular every week a rare sensation every night. We expect everybody to feel free to disagree yet. We expect everybody to be loyal not to rock the boat or take the fifth amendment respect everybody to believe deeply in his religion yet not to think less of others for not believing we expect our nation to be strong and great in vast and buried. Prepare for every challenge yet. We expect our national purpose to be clear and simple something that gives direction to the lives of nearly two hundred million people and yet can't and yet can be bought in in a paperback in the corner drugstore. Before excuse me we expect any and everything. We expect the contradictory and the impossible. We expect compact cars which are spacious. Luxurious cars are economical. We expect to be rich. And charitable powerful merciful active and reflective. Kind competitive we expect to be. Inspired by mediocre appeals for excellence. Be made literate by illiterate appeals for literacy. We expect to eat and stay thin to be constantly on the move and ever more neighborly to go to the church of our choice yet feel. It's guiding power over us to revere god and to be god never have people been so the masters of their own environment yet. Never has people felt more deceived and disappointed for never have a people expected so much more than the world could offer. We are ruled by extravagant expectations. One of what the world holtz of how much news there is. How many heroes there are. How often masterpieces of made. How exotic The nearby can be. How familiar the exotic can become of the closeness places in the forest places to our power to shape the world our ability to create events when there are none to make heroes when they don't exist to be somewhere else when we haven't left home. Our ability to make art forms suit our convenience to transform a novel into a movie and vice versa to turn a sympathy into a mood conditioning to fabricate national purposes when we lack them to pursue these purposes after we have fabricated them to invent our standards and then respect them as if they had been revealed or discovered by harboring shing and ever enlarging our extravagant expectations. We create the demand for lesions with which we deceive ourselves in which we pay others to make To deceive us. The making of allusions was flood experiences. Become the business of america. Some of its most honest and most necessary and most respectable. I'm thinking not only of the appetizing in public relations and political rhetoric but all of the activities which purports to inform and conform And improve eh educate and elevate us the work of our best. Journalists are most enterprising book. Publishers are most energetic manufacturers and merchandisers our most successful entertainers best guys world travel and i most influential leaders in foreign. Relations are every effort to satisfy. Our extravagant expectations. Simply makes the more extravagant. And mix are allusions more attractive story of the making of our allusions. The news behind the news has become the most appealing news of the world. We tyrannized and frustrate ourselves by expecting more than the world can give us or then we can make of a world. We demand that everybody who talks to us or rights for us or takes pictures of us or mixed merchandise for us. She live in our world of extravagant expectations. Expect even of the people's foreign countries we become so accustomed to our allusions that we mistake them for reality. we demand them and we demand that there be always more of them bigger and better and more vivid there. The world of are making the world of our image nowadays. Everyone's tells us that we need but what we need is more was more belief a stronger and deeper and more encompassing faith and faith in america and in what we're doing that may be true in the long run what we need first and now is to disillusion ourselves What else is the most is not what we have done with america but what. We have substituted for america. We supper primarily not from our our vices our weaknesses but kamara lose. We are haunted not by reality. But by the images that we have put in place of reality to discover are allusions will not solve our problems of our world but if we do not discover them we will never discover our real problems to dispel the ghost which populate the world of are making will not give us the power to conquer enemies of the world or to remake the real world but it will help but excuse me it may help us discover that we cannot make the world of our image. It will liberate us and sharpen our visions. It will clear away the fox. So do we can face the world. We share with all mankind. That's the end of the introduction after one from newsgathering to news making a flood of pseudo events can start off with a couple of quotes one from an admiring friend. My that's a beautiful baby. You have there and another quote from mother. Oh that's nothing. You should see photograph right. The simple list of extravagant expectations concerns the amount of novelty for the world There was a time when the reader of unexciting newspaper with mark. How all is the world today. Nowadays he says quote would a dole newspaper and quote when the first american newspapers benjamin harris public occurrences both foreign and domestic appeared in boston in september twenty fifth sixteen ninety promised to furnish news regularly once a month but the editor explained it might appear oftener if the glut of occurrences would happen. The responsibility of making news wasn't entirety. Tiredly gods or devils. The newsman's task was only to to give an account of such considerable things as of arrived under our notes although the theology behind this way of looking at events soon dissolved this view of the news last longer quote the skilled and the faithful journalists Quote james portent observed in eighteen sixty six according with power of that of the thing that has come to pass is providence addressing men. The story is told of southern baptist clergyman before the civil war who used to say when a newspaper was bought in the womb quote. Be kind enough to let me have it in a few minutes till i can see how. The supreme being is covering the world and quote charles dana one of the first american editors of the nineteenth century once defended his extensive reporting of crime in new york city in the new york city sun. By saying quote. I've always felt that whatever the divine providence permitted to occur. I was not too proud to port and quote. Of course this is now a very old fashioned way of thinking. Our current point of view is better expressed in the definition of arthur. Mcewen whom william randolph. Hearst made his first editor of the san francisco examiner quote. News is anything that makes the reader. Say gee whiz or would more soberly quote news is whatever a good editor choose to print and quote. We need not beat theologians to see what we've shifted. See that we have shifted responsibility for making the world interesting from god to the newspaper. Man we used to believe that there were only so many events in the world if there were not many intriguing startling occurrences was no fault of the reporter. He cannot be expected to report what did not exist within the last hundred years however especially in the twentieth century. All of this is changed. Respect the papers to be full of news if there are no news visible to the naked eye or to the average citizen. We still expected to be there for the enterprising newsmen. Successful reporter is one who can find story even if there was no earthquake or assassination or civil war if he cannot find story then he must make one by the question of public figures by the surprising human interest enfolds and some commonplace event or by the news behind the news if all this fails then he must give us a think piece and embroidering of well known facts or speculation About startling things to come this change in attitude towards news not it's not really a basic fact about history or american newspaper. It is a symptom of a revolutionary change in our attitude towards what happens in the world. How much of his new and surprising important towards how life can be enlivened Toward our power and the power of those who inform and educate and guide us to provide synthetic happenings to make up for the lack of spontaneous events demanding. More than the world can give us. We require that something to be fabricated to be made up for the world world's deficiency is only one example of our demand for illusions. Many historical forces. Help explain how we have come to our present immoderate hoax but there can be no doubt about what we now expect nor that it is a moderate. Every american knows that the anticipation for which he picks up his morning newspaper at breakfast or his evening paper before dinner or listens to the newscasts every hour on the hour as drives across country or watching his favorite comment commentator on television interpret the events of the day many enterprising americans are now at work to help us. Satisfy these expectations. Many might be put out of work if we suddenly moderate our expectations but it is we who keep them in the business and demand that they fulfill our consciousness with novelties. That they play god for us right part one. The new kind of synthetic novelty which is flooded our experience. I will call pseudo events. The common prefix. Pseudo comes from the greek word meaning false or intended to deceive before i recall the forces which had made these pseudo events possible. I've increasing supply of them in demand for them and the demand for them. I will give them a commonplace example. The owners of a hotel in an illustration offered by edward l. barney's his pioneering in his pioneer crystalline public opinion crystallizing public opinion suburb in knight from nineteen twenty-three consult a public relations council. They ask how to increase the hotels there hotels prestige and so improve their business unless sophisticated times they answer might have been to higher renew chef to improve the plumbing To paint the wombs or to install a crystal chandelier in the lobby. The public relations council technique is more indirect. He proposes that the management stages celebration of the hotels thirtieth anniversary. A committee is formed including a prominent banker. A leading societies matron. Well no moyer and influential creature And an event is planned. Save banquet to call attention to the distinguished service. The hotel has been rendering. The community celebration is held photographs taken. The occasion is widely reported and the object is accomplice now. This occasion is a pseudo vet. And i will illustrate all the essential features of pseudo events celebration we can see at. The outset is somewhat but not entirely misleading. Presumably the public relations council would not have been able to perform this committee of prominent citizens if the hotel had not had not actually been rendering services to the community on the other hand if the hotel services have been all that important instigation of public relations. Council might not have been necessary. Once celebration has been held. The celebration itself becomes evidence that the hotel is really distinguished a really distinguish institution. The occasion actually gives a hotel the prestige which it is pretending. It's obvious to that. The value of sub celebration to the owners depends on its being photographed and reported in the newspapers magazines. Newsreels on radio over television. It is report that gives the event it's force in the minds of the potential customer the power to make a reportable event is the power to make an experience. One is reminded of napoleon's apocryphal reply. To his general who objected that circumstances were unfavourable to proceeded campaign quote by i make circumstances and quote the modern public relations council and he is of course only one of many twentieth century craters. Pseudo events has come close to filling. Napoleon's idle boast quote the council on public relations and quote mr Bernie's explains not only knows what news is value. What news value is but knowing. He is in a position to make news happen. He is the creator of events and quotes intriguing feature of the modern situation. However comes precisely from the fact that the modern newsmakers are not got the news. They make happen the events they create and somehow are somehow not quite real. The remains there remains a tantalizing difference between man-made and god made events then is a happening that possesses the following characteristics. One it is not spontaneous but comes about because something has some someone has planned planted or incited. typically it is not a train wreck or an earthquake but an interview to it is a plan to primarily not all not always exclusively for the immediate purpose of being reported or reproduced therefore its occurrence is arranged for the convenience of the reporting or the reporting media or reproducing media. Its success is measured by how widely is reported time relations in it are commonly fictitious or factitious The announcement was given out in advance. excuse me for future release and written as if the event had occurred in the past. The question is it. Real is less important than is news worthy three. Its relation to the underlying. Reality of the situation is in big use. Its interest arises largely from this very ambiguity concerning a pseudo event the question what does it mean has a new dimension. While the news interest in a trainwreck is in what happened. And the real consequences of the interest in the interview is always in a sense In whether it really happened and in what might have been the motives did the statement really. Meanwhile said without some of this ambiguity subaru. Pseudo event cannot be interesting for usually is intended to be a self fulfilling prophecy. The hotel thirteen thirtieth anniversary celebration Hotel distinguished institution actually makes it one section two in the last half century a larger and larger proportion of our experience of what we read and see and hear has come to consist of pseudo events. We expect more of them and we are given more of them. The floor consciousness the multiplication has gone in the united states at a faster than elsewhere even the rate of increase is increasing every day. This is true of the world of education of consumption and personal relations. It is especially true of the world of public affairs which i described in this chapter. If full explanation of the origin rise of pseudo events would be nothing less than a history of modern america. For present purposes it is enough to recall a few of the more revolutionary recent developments. A great modern increase in the supply of the demand for news began in early nineteenth century until then newspapers send it to fill out their columns lackadaisical secondhand accounts or stale reprints of items. I publish elsewhere at home and abroad. The laws of plagiarism and copyright were underdeveloped Most of the newspapers were little more than excuses for espousing political position upper listing the arrival and departure of ships for familiar essays and useful advice or for commercial and legal announcements less than a century. Half ago did. The newspaper was the begin to disseminate up to date. Reports of matters of public interest written by eyewitnesses reports near the scene the telegraph was perfected and apply to us reporting in the eighteen thirties and forties eighteen. Forty's newspaperman William m swain of the philadelphia public ledger. And amos kendall of frankfort kentucky with founders of the national telegraphic network pokes presidential message in eighteen. Forty six was the first to be transmitted by wire. When the associated press was founded in eighteen forty eight news began to be a saleable commodity then appeared the rotary press which could print on continuous sheet And on both sides of the paper at the same time. New york tribunes high-speed press installed in the eighteen seventies Turnout eighteen thousand papers in an hour. The civil war and later the spanish american war offered raw materials and incentive for vivid up to the minute on the spot reporting the competitive daring of giants. Like james gordon bennett. Joseph pulitzer and william randolph. Hearst intensified the race for news and why didn't newspaper circulation these events were part of a great little noticed revolution. What i would call the graphic revolution. Man's ability to make preserve transmit and disseminate precise images images of print of men and landscapes and events of the voices of men's and mob. Mobs now grew at a frenetic pace. The increased speed of printing was revolutionary still more revolutionary where the new techniques for making direct mess images of nature photography was destined Was destined to soon. Give up printed matter itself A secondary role by a giant leap by giant leap americans crossed the gulf down to the daraga type To call it television in less than a century dryly dry plate photography. Excuse me came in eighteen. Seventy three bell pats to the telephone in eighteen. Seventy six phonograph was invented in eighteen. Seventy seven the roam throughout the roll film appeared in eighteen. Eighty four eastman. Kodak number one was produced in eighteen. Eighty eight edison's patent on the radio came in eighteen. Ninety one motion pictures and pictures came in and voice was first transmitted by radio around nineteen hundred. The first national political convention widely broadcast radio was that of nineteen twenty eight television became commercially important in nineteen forty one and color television. Even more recently beira mestalla latitude took on a new meaning Not only was it now. Possible to give actual voice and gestures of franklin delano roosevelt unprecedented reality and intimacy for a whole nation Vivid image came to overshadow pale. Reality sound motion. Pictures and color led a whole generation of pioneering american moviegoers to think of benjamin disraeli. As a an earlier. Imitation of. George arles justice. Television and had led a lead generation of television watchers. To see the western cowboy is a replica of john. Wayne the grand canyon oh became a disappointing reproduction of the kodachrome original the new power to report and portray what had happened Was a new temptation reading newsmen to make a probable images or prepare reports in a band of what was expected to happen as so often men came to mistake their power for the necessities. Readers and viewers would soon prefer the vividness of the account. The candidness of the photograph to the spontaneity of what was recounted then came the round the clock media. The news gap soon became so narrow that in order to have additional news for each new edition or Each new broadcast it was necessary to planet advance stages by which any available news would be unveiled after the weekly and the daily came the extras and the numerous regular editions philadelphia. Evening bulletin soon had seven additions. Bay no respite. the newsman. With no more space to fill. He had to fill it evermore quickly. In order to justify the numerous election editions it was increasingly necessary. That the news constantly change or at least seem to change with radio on the air continuously during the waking hours. Reporters problems became still more accurate news. Every hour on the hour and sometimes on the half hour interrupted anytime for special Bulletins how to avoid deadly repetition the appearance that nothing was actually happening That news gatherers were asleep or the competitors were more alert As costs of printing and then broadcasting increase it became financially necessary to keep the press is always at work and the tv screen always busy precious towards the making of pseudo events. Became even stronger. Newsgathering turned into news-making. The interview was novel way of making news in which Which had come in the graphic revolution later. It became elaborate into a lengthy radio and television panels and quizzes a public figures and three hour long rambling conversation programs. Although the interview technique might seem an obvious one and primitive forum was his old socrates. The use of the word in its modern journalistic sense is a relatively recent americanism. The boston newsletters account for march second. Seventeen nineteen accents of the death of Blackbeard the pirate had apparently been based on a kind of interview with the ship. Captain One of the earliest interviews of the modern type. Some writers call it the first And it was by chains. gordon bennett. The flamboyant editor of the new york herald april sixteen to eighteen thirty six in connection with the robinson jewett murder case eligible it and in may of a house of prostitution Had been found murdered. By an axe. Richard p robinson. A young man about town was accused of the crime. Benazir occasion to pyramid sensationalized stories so to build circulate circulation is herald before long. He was having difficulty turning out enough. Copies daily satisfied the demand. He exploited story in every possible. Way one of which was to plan and report an actual interview with rosina townsend. The madam who kept the house and whom he had visited on our own premise. Historians of journalism date the first full-fledged modern interview with a well known public figure from july thirteenth eighteen fifty nine when horace greeley interviewed brigham young and salt lake city asking him questions on the mini matters of public interest and then publishing the answers verbatim in his new york tribune and was august twentieth. Eighteen fifty nine the common use of the word interview in this modern american sense. I came about in this time. Very eerily the institution acquired a reputation for being contrived the quote interview The nation explained In january twenty eighth eighteen sixty nine as he present managed is generally the joint product of some humbug of a hack politician and another bug of a reporter. A few years later another magazine editor called the interview. The most perfect contrivance yet devised to make journalism An offense a thing of ill favor in all decent nostrils well. Many objected to the practice as an invasion of privacy. After the american example was used in england and france but in both of those countries it made much slower headway even before the invention of the interview. The news-making profession in america had attained a new dignity as well as a menacing power in eighteen. Twenty eight The macaulay Called the gallery where reporters sat in parliament as they called a fourth estate of realm but the macaulay a could not have imagined the prestige of the journalists in the twentieth century united states They have long. Since made themselves the tribunes of the people they're supposed to detach and lack of partisanship their closeness to the sources of information their titular names and their constant direct access to whole citizens have made them. All the counselors of people foreign observers are now astonished by the almost constitutional. Perhaps we should say supra-constitutional cowers of our washington press corps since since the rise of the modern presidential press conference about nineteen thirty-three capital correspondence the power regularly to question the president face to face to embarrass him to needle him to force him into positions or into public refusal to take a position. A president may also find it inconvenient to meet a group of dissident senators or congressmen. He seldom dares to refuse. The press that refusal itself becomes. News is only very recently and as a result of the increasing pressures by newsman. That the phrase no comment has become a way of saying something important. The reputation of newsmen who now of course includes those working for radio. Tv and magazines depends on their ability to ask hard questions to put politicians on the spot. Their very livelihood depends on the willing collaboration of public figures even before nineteen fifty washington. Had about fifteen hundred. Correspondents in about three thousand government. Information officials prepare to serve them. Not only the regular formal press conferences. Put the scores of other national programs such as meet the press and face the nation still the power of newsmen In one thousand nine hundred sixty david susskind late night. Conversation show open. End commanded the presence of the russian premier for three hours doing the so-called great debates that year between the candidates the president and the presidential campaign. It was newsmen who calls the tune the live television broadcasting presidents of the president's regular news conferences which president kennedy began in nineteen sixty one immediately after taking office as somewhat changed their character. Newsmen are no longer so important. As intermediaries who related the president statements but the new occasion arises in the new interest as dramatic performance. Citizens who from homes or offices have seen the president at his news. Conference are then even more interested to hear Competing interpretations by skilled comitatus news. Commentators can add a new appeal as dramatic critics or excuse me dramatic critics to their traditional role as interpreter of current history even in the new format. It is still the newsmen who put the questions. They're still tributes of the people section three the british constitution shape as it is from the materials cumulated since the middle ages functions. We have often been told only because the british people are willing to live with a great number of legal fictions. The monarchy is only the most prominent we americans have accommodated are eighteenth century constitution to twentieth century technology by manipulating pseudo events and by developing cussin' so we by multiplying multiple up by multiplying sewer. Bents that's right and by developing professions. Which both help make su events and help us interpret them the disproportion between what an informed citizen needs to know and what he can no is even greater the disproportion grows with the increase of the officials powers of concealment and controversies other news. Gatherers me to select invent and plan correspondingly increase. Dust inevitably are system of public information. Produce always more prepackaged more events Says it trivial but Prophetic example of american pension for sewer vents has long been found in our congressional record the british and french counterparts surprisingly enough give a faithful port of said on the floor of their liberty bodies but ever since the establishment of the congressional record under its present title in eighteen. Seventy three are only austin to believe Complete report of what goes on in congress has no more than the faintest resemblance to what is actually said there. Despite the occasional feeble despite occasional feeble protests are record has remained a gargantuan Miss colleen miss glennon In which an actual proceedings are buried beneath the under livered undelivered speeches and of unread and unreadable only only a national humorless or sense of humor can account for our willingness to tolerate this. Perhaps it only explains why perhaps explain also explains why as a frustrated reform of the record Argued on the floor of the senate in eighteen. Eighty four the american public have generally come to regard the proceedings of congress as a sort of variety performance. Were nothing is supposed to be real except the pay the common news releases which every day issue by the rim of the congressmen's offices for the president's press secretary from the press relation of businesses charitable organizations and universities are of congressional record covering all american life and they are only a slightly less than accurate record of spontaneous happenings To cure news coverage for an event especially if it has little News entranced one must issue and proper form a release the very expression news release apparently in american invention As it was first recorded in nineteen seven did not come into common use until recently There is an appropriate perversity and calling it a release. It might more accurately be described as a news. Hold back since its purpose is to offer something that is to be held back from the publication until a specified future date. The newspaper gland slightly derogatory slang term for the news release is handout from the phrase originally used to bundle Bundle of stale food handed out From house to though this meaning of the word is now in common use in the newspaper gathering professions. It's it's so recent that is not yet made its way into our dictionaries. The release is the releases news precooked and supposed to keep till needed any well recognized format. Usually mommy graft it. Bears the date that say that february one and also indicates that four release two pm's february fifteenth. The count is written in the past tense but usually describes an event that has not yet happened when the release was given out the use interpretation of the handouts have become an essential part of newsman's stop the national press club in its washington Clubrooms as a large rack with filled which spilt which is filled with daily the latest releases so the reporter does not even have to visit the offices which give them out in one thousand nine hundred forty seven there were about twice as many government press agents engaged in preparing news releases as they were newsmen gathering in them. The general public has become so accustomed to these procedures that the public official can sometimes quote. Make news on Really departing from the advanced tax given out in his release when president kennedy spoke in chicago on the night of april twenty eighth nineteen sixty one early editions next mornings newspaper which were printed the night before Early morning home delivery. Millie reported that his speech as it was given to the newsmen In the advanced tax when the president abandoned the advanced tax later editions of chicago sun times headlined. Kennedy speaks off the cuff. The article beneath emphasized that he had departed fleming's advanced tax and gave about an equal space to his off the cuff speech. And to the speech he never gave apparently the most newsworthy fact. Was that the president had not to his prepared text suggesting we begin to be puzzled about what is really the original event. The authentic news record of what happens or is said Comes increasingly seem to be what is given out in advance. More and more news events become dramatically form. Ince's in which men in the news simply act out more or less more or less. Well they're prepared script. The story prepare for future release acquires authenticity that competes with that of the actual occurrences on the scheduled date in recent years successful. Politicians have been does most adept at using the press and other means to create sewer vents president franklin delano roosevelt from whom he would buy on called the best newspaper man who has never been was ever been. President of the united states was the first modern master While newspaper owners opposed him in editorials. Which few red. Fdr himself with collaboration of a friendly core of a washington correspondents' was using front page front page headlines to make news read by everybody. He was making facts pseudo events. while it's auriol writers were simply expressing opinions It is a familiar story How he employed the trial balloon How he exploited the ethic of off the record remarks how he transformed the presidential press conference from from a boring ritual into a major nationalist. Itution which no later president dare disrespect and how he developed the fireside chat knowing that newspaperman lived on the news he helped them manufacturing and he knew enough about news-making techniques to help shape their stories to his own purposes. Take for example. These comments in which president roosevelt made at a press conference during his visit to billion cots conservation camps in florida in february on february eighteen. Nineteen thirty nine when world war. Tensions were mounting. Okay so quote. I want to get something across only. Don't put it that way. In other words it is a thing that i cannot put as direct cannot put as rent stuff but it is in the background and the way as you know. I very often do it. If i will writing story the way i'd like to ride it is this. You know the formula when asked when he was returning to washington the president Intimated that it was possible to give any date because while he hoped to be away The third or fourth of march information that continues to be received with respect to the international situation continues to be a disturbing therefore it makes it may be necessary for the president to return to the capital Before the third or fourth of march it is understood that this information relates to the possible renewal of demands by certain countries. These demands being pushed not through the normal diploma diplomatic diplomatic channels but rather through a more recent type of relations in other words. The use of fear of aggression. Fdr was man of great warmth. Natural spontaneity and simple eloquence and his public utterance utterances reached the citizen With a new intimacy paradoxically. It is It was under his administration's that statements by the president attained by news Attained a new subtly. Subtlety and a new Calculated nece production team in addition to newspaperman there were poets playwrights and regular core of speechwriters far from detracting from his effectiveness this collaborative system of four producing the impression of a personal frankness and spontaneity provided an additional subject of news of the interest. It was robert sherwood or judge. Samuel rosenman rosenman who contributed Or that phrase wasn't was okay. So was it robert. Sherwood or judge. Samuel rosen men who contributed this or that phrase How much had the president revised the draft given him by speechwriting team Citizens became nearly as much more interested. In how how particular speech was put together As in what it said. And when the president's spoke almost everyone knew it was a long planned group. Production which fdr was only the star performer. Of course president. Roosevelt made many great decisions and lived in times in which he only helped. make starring but it is possible to build a political career almost entirely on pseudo events. Such was that of the late. Joseph or mccarthy Senator from wisconsin from nineteen forty seven to nineteen fifty seven. His career might have been an impa been impossible without of elaborate Perpetual grinding machinery of quote information unquote Which i have already described and he was a natural genius at creating reportable happenings. That had an interestingly Ambiguous relation to underlying reality Richard rober a reporter in washington. Mccarthy's days recalls. He knew how to get into the news even on those rare occasions when invention failed him and he had no facts to give out for example he invented the morning press conference called for the purpose of announcing an afternoon press conference the reporters would come in. They would the they were beginning. They were beginning and in this period to respond to summonses like pavlov's dogs at the clang of a bow and mccarthy would say that he just wanted to give them a word that he expected to be. Ready with shattering announcement. Later in that day. For use in the papers The following morning this would gain him a headline in the afternoon papers headline example of new mccarthy revelations awaited in capital the afternoon would Would come and if mccarthy at something he would give it out but often enough yet. Nothing and. This was a matter of slight concern. He was simply saying that he wasn't quite ready that he was having difficulty getting some of the documents you needed or that he was Or that a witness was proving elusive a morning. Headlines delays seen in mccarthy case mystery witness being sought to headline dare example And then it goes on to say that he had a diabolical fascination and almost hypnotic power over news reporters They was somehow reluctantly grateful to him for turning out their product. They stood astonished that he could make so much news from such meagre raw material. Many hated him all helped him. They were victims of of what one of them called their indiscriminate objectivity in other words mccarthy and the newsman both freiburg on the same synthetic commodity senator mccarthy's political fortunes were promoted almost as much by newsmen who considered themselves his enemies. As by those who those few who worries friends with active help with all of them He could never have created the sewer vents. Which brought him notoriety power. Newspaper editors who self righteously attacked. The senators collaborators themselves proved to be worse than powerless to cut him down size even while the attacked him on the editorial page inside the building him up in the front page headlines. Newspaperman were his most potent allies for they were His co. manufacturer of pseudo events they were caught in their own web honest newsmen and unscrupulous And the unscrupulous senator mccarthy Were in separate branches of the same business and the traditional vocabulary newspaperman. There was a well recognized distinction between hard and soft news. Hard news supposed to be the solid report of significant matters to politics economics international relations social welfare science soft news reports popular interest. Curiosities and diversions includes a sensational local reporting scandal-mongering gossip columns comic strips the sexual lives of movie stars and the latest murder journalists. Critics attack american newspapers today for not being serious enough for giving a larger Larger proportion of their space to the oft rather than hard news but the rising tide of pseudo events washes away the distinction. Here's one example. On june twenty first nineteen sixty president. Eisenhower was in honolulu on route to the far east for a trip with the meets with to meet the heads of government and correal in korea the philippines and elsewhere seven column headline in the chicago. Daily news brought readers the following information. What works feelings about the trips aids. Mum doesn't show any worry. Members of the political party resent Queries by newsmen and the two column story. Let off as such honolulu President eisenhower's reaction to his far east trip remains as closely guarded secret as his golf score while the president rest at coney. Kinda whole ma. Ma marine canal marine air station On the windward out of the pali hills Hard by the blue pacific and eighteen hole. Golf cars he might be totting up. the pulses and the minutes Of his asian sojourn. But there's no evidence of it members of his official party resent any inquiry into how the white house feels about the whole experience especially the blown up of the japanese to blow up the japanese business which produced critics. The story concludes. But sooner or later the realities will intrude. The likelihood is that we will soon we will be sooner than later. Nowadays a successful reporter must be the midwife or more often a more often to conceiver of his nukes by the interview technique He incites a public figure to make statements which will sound like the news during the twentieth century. The technique is grown into a devious apparatus which in skillful hands can shape national policy. The pressure of time and the need to produce uniform news a uniform news stream to fill the issuing media induce washington correspondence and others to use the interview and other techniques for making pseudo events in novel ever more ingenious in aggressive ways one of the main facts of life for the wire service reporter in washington is that there are many more afternoon morning. afternoon then morning. Newspapers in the united states. The early afternoon paper on the east coast goes to press it about ten. Am before the spontaneous news of the day. has had an opportunity to develop it. Means one One conscious one conscientious capitol. Correspondents confides in douglas. Carter's admirable fourth branch of government in one thousand nine hundred nine. The wire service reporter must engage in the basic -ality And the basically phony operations of writing the story. A story comprise composed The previous evening but given the impression when it appears the next afternoon that it covers the day's events what this can mean in a particular case is illustrated by the tribulations of a certain hardworking reporter. Who was trying to do his job and earn his keep at a time when the austrian treaty of one thousand nine hundred eighty. Five came up for debate in the senate. Although it was a matter of some national and international importance the adoption of the treaty was a foregone conclusion there there would be no. There would be little news to it. Excuse me so. In order to make a story. The reporter went to the senator To senator walter. George chairman of the senate foreign relations committee And extracted a statement to the effect of that under the tree of australia would receive no money or military only long-term credits quote that became my weed and quote the reporter called. I had fulfilled the necessary function of having a story that seemed to be part of the next news the next day the treaty came up for debate. The debate was doll and it was hard to squeeze out a story. Luckily however as senator jenner made a nasty crack about president eisenhower which the reporter after considering what other wire service reporters covering the story might be doing sent off As an insert the treaty was adopted by the senate a little after three thirty pm that automatically made a bulletin and required a new lead for the story on the debate. But by the time that the hard-pressed reporter was faced writing A completely new story for the next day's morning papers. So i think he says but my job had not been finished. The tree option bulletin of the tree adoption bullets in had gone out too late to get most of the east coast. afternoon papers except big city ones like philadelphia evening bulletin Which is seventy which has seven editions. I had to find a new angle for an overnight To be carried the next day by those pm's which failed to carry the treaty story. They don't want to carry They don't want to carry simply at bay of content or debate on a day old account of a debate. They want a top to the news story. So to put it quite bluntly i went and got the senator Got senator to say that Jenner buys actions was weakening the president's authority ashley Thighs charge. the charge was more lively news. The passage of the austrian tree itself revealed a conflict among the senate republicans but story had developed out of my need for a new pay For the news. It was not spontaneous spontaneous on on part I had called seven other senators before i could get some someone to make a statement on gender. There was a fair criticism. I recognize to be made of this practice. These senators didn't call me. I called them In a sense. I generated the news. The reporters imagination brought the reporters. Immagination brought the senators thinking to bear On alternatives that. He might not have thought of himself. Excuse me this can be a very pervasive practice. one wire service reporter hounded senator george daily on the foreign trade question until he finally got george to make the suggestion that japan japan should trade with Red china as an alternative to dumping textiles on america on the american market. Then the reporter went straight away To senator nolan to get him to knock down. The suggestion made for a made a good story and it stimulated in mina policy debate that might not have got started other woz. The overnight was the greatest single field for exploratory reporting for the wire services it It is what might be called milking the news. The reporters should be adds that the task of his profession. Today's seldom to compose accounts of the latest events at lightning speed rather it is shaped by the problem of packaging. He says quote. Our job is to report the news but is also to keep a steady flow of news coming forward every saturday morning. For example we visit the congressional leaders we would. We could write all the stories that we get out of these conferences for sunday's am's but we don't. We learned to schedule them in ordered. Space them out over sunday's and monday's papers and quote and then it's an observer might have expected that the rise of television and on the spot telecasting up. The news will produce a pressure to report authentic spontaneous events exactly as they occur but ironically these earlier improvements in the techniques precise representation have simply created more and better pseudo events when general. Douglas macarthur return to the united states. After president truman relieved him of command In the far east on april eleventh nineteen fifty one. During the korean war he made a quote trample unquote A triumphal journey around the country. He was invited to help chicago. Celebrate macarthur day which is on april twenty six nineteen fifty one which had been proclaimed by the resolution of the city council elaborate ceremonies were arranged including a parade in these proceedings. Were being televised it. Team of thirty one university of chicago sociologist under the imagine of directive of current lang took their posts at strategic points along the route The macarthur parade. The purpose was to note the reactions of the crowd and to compare what the spectators were seeing or said they were saying with what they might have witnessed on television. This ingenious study confirmed my observation that we tend to increasingly fill our experience with contrived content the newspaper. The newspapers had of course already prepared people. For what the chicago tribune was Chicago tribune that warning predicted to be a quote triumphant heroes. Welcome the biggest warmest in the history of the middle east amid middle west Many of the actual spectators jammed in the crowd Up this scene a complained. It was hard to see what was going on in other places. They waited for hours and then they were lucky to have a fleeting sense of a glimpse of the general but the television perspective was quite different. The video viewer Have the advantage of numerous cameras which were widely dispersed. Television does order the events in in its own way quite different from that of the on the spot confusion. The cameras were carefully focused on significance. Happenings happenings that is those which emphasized the trauma of the occasion for the television watcher. The general was the continuous a center of attraction from his appearance during the parade at two twenty one pm until the sudden blackout at three pm. Announcers continually reiterated the precedent of drama of the event or that. This was the greatest Ovation the city never turned out on the television screen. One received the impression of widely of widely cheering an enthusiastic crowds before during and after the parade of course the cameras were specially selecting quote action shops which showed a noisy waving audience yet in many cases. The cheering waving shouting. Were really a response. Not so much. The general as to naming of the camera the actual spectators with sore feet suffered long periods of boredom. Many groups were apathetic. The video viewer your. His eyes fixed Alternatively on the and on the enthusiastic crowd his ears fueled with a breathless narrative emphasizing. The interplay of the crowd and celebrity could not fail to receive the impression of the continuous dramatic pageantry. The most important single conclusion of these sociologists was that the television presentation as a contrast it with the actual witnessing of the events quote remained true to form until bavarian interpreting the entire proceedings of to the expectations. The telecast was made to conform to what was interpreted as a pattern of the viewer's expectations and quote actual spectators at the scene. Were doubtedly disappointed. Not only because they usually saw very little and That only briefly from where they appear to be standing but also because they knew that they were missing much a much better performance With far more drama than they expected on the television screen. Here's a quote from somebody at says. I bet my wife saw much better. Over the television and quote. We should have stayed home and washed it on tv. Where the most universal forms of dissatisfaction while those apple scene were interviewing the viewers on any other viewers up a pseudo event back home. The television viewers were of course being told again and again by the network commentators. How great the excitement of being actually present How great was it excitement being actually president yet as chicago associated sagoes sociologist. Notice noted for many of those actually present. One of the greatest thrills of the day was the opportunity to be on television just as everybody likes to see his name in the newspaper so nearly everybody likes to think that he can be seen or still better With the aid of videotape a consume self on television similarly reporters following candidates kennedy and nixon during their tours in the nineteen sixty presidential campaign noted. How many of the supporters in large crowds that were being televised. Had come out because they wanted to be seen on television cameras. Television reporting allows us all to be actors. We really are also be the actors. We really are sorry Recently i wandered onto campus onto the campus of the university of chicago and happen to witness a tug of war between teams of students. It was amusing to see the women's team Drench them in team by pulling them onto bodley pond television cameras of the leading networks there. The victory of the women's team seem suspiciously easy to me. I was puzzled until i was told that this was not an original contest at all. The real tug of war had occurred a day or two before. When the telecast in conditions were not so good this was a reenactment for television on december. Second nineteen sixty during the school integration disorders of in new orleans in new orleans Mayor desktops S morrison wrote a letter to newsmen proposing a three day moratorium on news and television coverage of the controversy. He argued that the printed televised reports were exaggerated and were damaging cities reputation and tournaments interest rate. People were given an impression of prevailing violence when you said only one tenth of one percent of the population had involved had been involved in a demonstration but he also pointed out that the mere presence of telecasting facilities was breathing disorders quote in many cases he observed these people go to the area to get themselves on television in hurry home for the afternoon. And evening telecast. cd's show in quote. At least two television reporters had gone about the crowd interviewing demonstrators with inflammatory questions. Like quote. why are you opposed to inter inter marriage and quote. Mayor morrison said he himself had witnessed television cameraman setting up a scene. Then having persuaded a group of students to respond like cheering section Had them yell and demonstrate on cue the conscientious reporters indignantly rejected the mayor's Proposed moratorium on the news. They said that quote freedom of the press What was at stake. That once an institution preserved in the interest of the community now it's often a euphemism for the prerogative of reporters to produce their synthetic commodity. Okay we're gonna stop there. Because i think it's nice clean place to stop and yeah This section was longer than than i thought. You're right sorry. I think it's probably a good to stop there. We can talk for a bit and if people want To finish chapter. I'll i'll read the rest of the chapter after to give you break going for a while so Yeah i mean that's the end of the first part So i mean this is pretty much part of the setup Others let you guys. The first guiding question is usually which of the people slash groups slash stories featured in the chapter. Do you have strong feelings about but this is more about concepts than you know. Tons of stories of people are. Let's add concepts so which the ideas or people or groups of stories featured d. You have strong feelings about and let me see was in here Is anyone here who has not been here before. Actually some new names. I see candle because a new name. The people who knew people joining introduce themselves. Yep yeah for sure That we usually do. Here is the first time you speak. We like to have you say your name or name. You'd like to be referred to so that the listener of this have a Name to attached to the voice. So yeah i guess we could start. I think candles. The i new new name is if you don't mind just introducing yourself real quick and if you want to say anything about what we read okay. Maybe candle stepped away is j. f. noir. The next new new person. Yeah so yeah so we don't mind you do yourself and saying and if you want to share anything about what we read so far by all means please do. I just saw a mute. What happened are you think you remove you remove yourself just now okay. So aggressive worked at the just listening to the today. Some assuming they don't wanna talk. Yeah right happened. So i will ask the last person. Nta if you want to speak so be it if not We can just move on so Mta do you feel like introducing yourself for speaking. Yeah sure what's up. Everybody going happy to join the discord here a couple of weeks ago. This is pretty cool and Thanks adidas elitist for reading for us. Yeah definitely and Okay so not even to these yourself. I'll just throw it out to the room. Whoever wants to go Just describe you know your impressions on the book so far And no offense if you think it's terrible s about opinion to everything every opinions about it. So yeah i. I will say i'm lacking in so far. Some of it a lot of it. I feel like is ideas. That i've seen before a i mean you bring it up a lot T but also The film series on forgetting now. That i don't critters film series on a on bernez and advertising south yes century salvage covers a lot of kind of very similar ideas a enslaving counted before. But i really like it because it it is. It's exploring kind of a different from a different angle. I believe than century in the south But i mean just the whole thing about like people like rushing going to like the event and then rushing home to see themselves on tv. I feel like that's so. I mean still like so true people. Get the thing about people cheering when the camera points at them. There's something i mean. It's so funny. Because you know it's so manufactured but when you see it It really looks like people. Are you know having a good time or whatever. Yeah yeah Definitely i mean one thing with this book to is It was written in nineteen sixty two so television as something that everybody had in their homes was still in. Its infant infancy. I think even in the fifties Not every home had had a television. It wasn't quite the forest that it became until Nineteen until nineteen sixty s. I believe People were still like radios. I think we're still pretty popular. Wanted did a fifties and a lot of people still were most of the listening to that. So i think one thing about this book is that tends to be pretty influential on top of that so i think it's another reason why the idea seems so familiar because a lot of A lot of historians have read this book or been acquainted with it or even other more popular books like. I've found this book. Because i kept seeing it mentioned in in other books like neil postman's amusing ourselves to death in and other stuff so so but he mcluhan i think are impressive for kind of seeing this stuff very early you know whereas now we can kinda take for granted how crazy a lot of this stuff and ubiquitous all this stuff. All this stuff is he covers. Some of the same ground isn't influence on and I forgot what. I wanna say to do it. Something that gap the gap said or just something about your impression of the texts. in general. I think it was my impression of the tax You are you looking harrison. Funky i just want. I just That guy was talking about. That was really interesting because it's talking about how like everybody wanted to the desire to see people for people to see themselves on tv. I feel like that seems like the energy that social media feeds off of its like everybody can get on stage now and it seems like that that has really taken a very point yeah. That's totally true. I i didn't even think about that. That's a hundred presenter. Like this book is so the gobble to social media right now at like it should be read by a lot of young people in terms of understanding like a literacy and also older people because the part when they talked about the news and the framing the interview might be so much of my parents who don't even think about what politicians do in terms of how it affects them but in terms of like optics almost like they're the politician and i thought that was really interesting. One thing that stuck out to me This is the latest in just going over. This was the importance of having the most up to date news piece. Or just whatever being brought out and how certain like the reporter you know what the austrian treaty You know just basically going from senator senator. You know to kind of create this. I don't wanna say a softball scenario. But just he was kind of like doing the vlad thing before there was a black vlad back then just so that he could get the most up to date story and just get the. It didn't matter if you know. If what he was saying was the salacious stopped at the kind of manipulating was was was like really true. You know it just. It just needed to be something. That cat caught people's attention and then it just needed to be the top top news. The most immediate you know Saying what the word that He uses early on is very similar. Very similitude And if you look at the definition of similitude is The appearance of being true or real. An example is the detail gives the novel some barra similitude and you know if you look at various mlitou. It's not that different in meaning than the word plausible. you know. And that's one of the reasons why i thought it'd be good to read the on bullshit essay before this because it's basically ways kinda talking about his bullshit that the image goes from Being a matter of true and false and become something that's more about Plausible and implausible. And you know which feels more real or you know t's board yards term Hyper real and bull you are talks about. How hyper rails. When something seems more real or authenticity are authentic are seems to have more for more very similitude than the actual real thing and what boston describes in here is a great example whereas like the parade feels more like the real parade on tv than it does In person when you're watching it you know with the announcers and with the different angles to maximize the excitement. And you get to experience more of it at once that's It's it's a very interesting thing. How things seem more times more on. Tv didn't he do in a real life and he gives a lot more examples of this as the book goes on yeah. This book came out the same year that mcleans gutenberg galaxy came out and as i said earlier he covers similar ground in that he's looking at Like the development of technology over time in media I i think it's bike. Mcluhan is looking at how the public interfaces with media but forcing is sort of giving us a behind the scenes look of how creators craft media his example of mccarthy What what senator mccarthy was doing like he was in this this relationship and i think he said that they were kind of like two branches of the same service the the reporters him and he Insatiable lies things you know. trump during that part. Yeah yeah. I totally thought about trump. You know the fdr park reminded me of obama. And and the mccarthy part reminded me of trump. yeah yeah totally. yeah also like how they Made the distinction between hard news and soft news and how the pseudo reality kind of disability has blurred the lines between the hard news and soft news and a lot of way that came across my mind to is d- extent to which what he describes as shooter event. I feel reminds you of what we've been growing with with the idea of what is content versus a work. You know he describes a shooter event as you know a happening. That possesses the following characteristics. One it is not spontaneous but comes about because someone has planned planted or incited it typically is not a train wreck or an earthquake but an interview to get his planted primarily not always exclusively for the immediate purpose of being reported or reproduced therefore it's occurrences arranged for the convenience of the reporting or reproducing media success as measured by how widely is reported time relations in our comedy fictitious or practices. The announcement is given out in advance for future release and written as if the event had occurred in the past. The question is it. Real is less important than you know isn't newsworthy. And justice. i two parts if you think about in terms of content Content is not unlike a work. Just be a story that you're inspired to tell and however long you have to tell it you know you have to tell it but content isn't spontaneous. It comes across because marvel has eight movies. It has to release this year and this is the order schedule and read to hire people to write this movie to be in the fall of two thousand twenty one. Someone has to direct this movie for the spring of so and so so. So yeah it's It's something that's that's planned and planted and you know setup not something. Spontaneous like a work might be And the media purpose of being reported or reproduced. Is you know like like marvel has to have a certain amount of movies every year for the access and chill media sites to report on if there's no trailers coming out if there's no Schedule of movies coming on this now at disney investor. They are wanna brothers You know these fandome or something. Those new sites is going to sit around doing doing nothing. And then the rest. Of definition. I think continues apace. I'm not gonna the whole definition. But i feel like a lot of stuff in this book if you try to look at other things that annoy about the media you see. There's a lot of transferable ideas is what i want to point out. Yeah that was all. I had to say the part where he talks about the freedom of speech i thought was really interesting or rather freedom of the press. I was interesting. Any says it's like a freedom for them to a kind of create the world that they want or whatever and i think about that with the relation. How like how the press in this country like is so against like the state press of other nations and how we kind of demonize the idea of a state press as like fake news or crafted to serve the interests of You know the various states that are funding them right. Like twitter is now Marking any state news agency is a you know funded by their various governments or whatever i think. It's really their only marking. The enemies of the us. Other funding varies disease. But it's interesting that are kind of like free passes so against that when they're kind they're just doing the exact same thing i mean. They're creating these stories. Pseudo vincent and and he describes That part where he's talking about the the due to goes to the various senators and then and creates an argument between them for the new story. And it's like how is that any different. How is that sort of thing. Any different than the state The state press of. Like i dunno like Like rt or something a creating a You know stories that are pro russia. you know. What is it like a cro or a chinese state news. Whatever like creating a news that is is favourable towards the any state. I think that's a really really interesting portion as well. And i think you're saying really on point i don't know i don't know if i totally follow how i think that in a different way estate media actually doesn't have the incentive to like stir up to rama just to make a story like state run media is trying to make money in that kind of way it doesn't it doesn't have to be so like in your face. I guess it seems like it would be less likely to be prone to like stirring up fake stories that are just drawn between individual senators. And i think that the free press private presses more likely to be to be encouraged to do stuff like that. Well i think that When a paper is funded by nation you know. They're there for that nation's interests not totally and completely but that that's like the purpose like one of their main functions. So if there's something that's going to benefit the nation and it's a capitalist nation then yeah there's gonna be some sort of incentive To run a story that might not be true. And there's going to be that Yeah there's going to be at sensitive so you're going to get similar things as far as you know the creation of pseudo about early like running untrue stories but just flooding the market with a whole bunch of shit. That doesn't really matter. What like won't much state. Sorry go ahead. no i going to interject something to what you're saying i think might help is that. I think what you guys might be describing as the difference between truth in bullshit where the state might have some things that you know. It wants to hide or reveal and what the state's interest in you know. Manipulating news might be more outright. Lie like in those. What's really happening in those truth. He wants to lie. Whereas with a capitalist motive you don't know what's true or false you just know what salacious going to sell so you might be more likely to do what you're talking about. Funky which is Just flooded just float. Like i was trying to check the word bullshit like flood the market with bullshit. I think that's the particular thing that the private media is trying to do is just bullshit out there. We don't know how does people really fairly about each other. Whatever what is plausibly true they can put in here. That won't get a suit for libel but we'll get the tongues wagging yeah. I think that's that's exactly that's exactly right going back to read the clerk going as anyone. Read this posting in the voice chat. It's called nothing is true. Everything is possible. The surreal heart of russia. It talks about a lot about how the state you know. The the media apparatus in russia is exactly the same as as described to here. In this book you know creating various about creating you know moral panics and creating you know the image of of russia for for For russian citizens or whatever But it talks a lot about. I mean this is crafted by a in a lot of through state funding And i I watched another interview with la the author and he talks about how the state funds you know multiple get funds every side so the state is funding like conspiracy theories as well as As well as like you know indepth reporting but because they're both kind of like flooded the market. No one can tell which one is really kind of like the real thing right because both are being funded by the state like you. How can you like if the communist party of russia as well as the capitalist parties united to russia it's so on are both funded by the state then which is really the opposition right. And so there's this constant confusion. And i think that that Were seen as kind of touching on that with how these guys fill up. You know the air with not with bullshit. But i think there's just as much incentive to do that if your state media if you're not and i just think it's it's interesting that these guys chafing on it because i feel like the their problem with the state media is that they wouldn't be in control right it would be the state that would be in control rather than these you know newsmen That book sounds fascinating by the way. I'm looking at it Right now and this is slightly irrelevant. But that's a nice book design. Like one thing. I hate lilies. Have bland covers our a elegant Cover to the book as want to say that Yeah anyone else thoughts on that. Because i think that's a great point. But like i've talked too much already so i want to make sure other people talk. I think it's very interesting. I guess in that case though accuser describing their report shouldn't really care because in both situations it seems like they can just do whatever they want. Because the state the you're describing is still funny everybody to just tell whatever stories they want. So i don't even know if it's different in in any practical means won't you can't own the newspaper station and become a multi-billionaire like like rupert murdoch and own news. Newspaper is an and tv stations. All around the world right if the state owned your media. I'm i keep thinking about how in no way no how we always talk about how news activism and entertainment seems to be flattened. And the more. I think about it because i'm reading as we're talking. I'm looking at the definition of a shooting event and how it reminds me so much content and i realize the content entertainment just as much as activism and news is a shooter event that goes constant announcements announcements announcements of and i use marvelous example but basically for for everything. That was that queen's gambit was made to be a cassuto rent it wasn't like hey here's a good movie or something. Here's a good series. It was made like an event that everybody has to talk about for that that week and i was kinda surprised that the worth think peace existed in one thousand nine hundred sixty two like. He says he says think piece i was that was a recent New word to describe What we already knew as the essay that kind of took me. But but i mean yes so this is really mostly about news and politics as shoe events but If you throw in sports if you throw in a fictional entertainment i feel like you can probably expand the idea of pseudo event to a lot of things and then when you have social media the internet to boot you could probably have a lot of micro cedo events to like. You know the tweeted today. A where everyone's just talking about something and they'll be talking about two things all day and when will be a war and the other one would be like jeffrey toobin exposing his penis but they feel equal weight almost like every day. Twitter has to have a main character. No matter what and no matter how is it is. Somebody has to have one thing that we're gonna talk about All day today no matter how frivolous nor was saying Would sit event under activism be. The women's march from back in twenty seventeen would be excellent one or how about that. Amanda gorman stuff and everything that comes out with her every day and for reading. A poem is very weird From that one cedo event and this definition that we say about content of content is just the air to spend more content and here. it says That scenery brands are planted primarily for the immediate purpose of being reported or reproduced that lead to other things the win. Amanda gorman speech led to the announcement that she was signed to g models that she's going to be super bowl that she has three that she has three Books coming out that They showed events of her talking to lin-manuel miranda and then having a conversation on good morning america that gets that one thing led to fifteen different story quote unquote stories or announcements. All of them like kind of forest. She didn't spontaneous. He ran into Lin-manuel miranda i'm they clearly met and they probably are. It was a rain. we're going to be in the same place at the same time. Probably two different agents you know or they might have the same agent at the end of the day. It was just a bunch of filler stuff you know. And they are actual the difference that the distinction that he writes about on what an actual event. Something that that actually happens. Something that wasn't planned you know Yeah we we can't distinguish between the pseudo events and what actually happened in a lot of ways. I think in my opinion. These pseudo events escapes things for the for the masses And it kind of makes it to where you really don't focus on some of the important stuff that happens or you're not aware of some of the important stuff that that has happened. Yeah i agree with that. And i also think it does something else a little bit more insidious that people don't really think about the casual layperson. That isn't going to be media savvy and investigate who this person is. They just thinking. Oh some person out there in the world did this thing and they repay such a great result. It's kind of like you know reinforcing. That live the american dream in a way. You know to the person that's not going to be. You know really into it. And in casualty analyze everything from the event to all the things that you know went behind it. They're gonna get the impression that this place is great because those things can happen. Not really that you know. There's somebody that was cherry. Picked know to the exclusion of other people like themselves. You know so. That's what i think too. I agree Just flipping through this like this thing. This allow little gems in this book. That i think could be expanded into books in their own right. You know And one thing. I like about this book. It's very clear speaking doesn't like mcluhan mcluhan. Is you kinda need in explainer. Sometimes to help you get through his ideas where this seems very very very meant to be understood by anybody that picks it up but ironically i feel like that as kind of diminished its ability to still be a very prominently regarded book because i think sometimes people judge the depth or the intensity of an idea by how hard it is to penetrate. You know so This i think is way easier to get into boatyard. Who co but. I think for the intellectuals that the fact is easy to understand management thinking must not be as Brilliant as it is so i. I've always had a theory that that's that's why this book is not better better known because it's i think it's brilliant but it's so straightforward in its And commonsense seeming in his presentation. That i think it was easy to underestimate. You know how how boring it is like this paragraph where he says Vivid image came to overshadow pale. Reality sound motion. Pictures and colour let a whole generation of pioneering american movie goers to think of benjamin disraeli as an earlier imitation of george airless. And because it's a book. I don't know if people fully get the The idea of that but George george arlos. I think With the sculptor who sculpted judge artists. Was i believe a sculptor who sculpted sorry wrong. He was an actor. George artifice actor who played Benjamin disraeli and he won. He was the first british actor to win the kademi award The reason artists was a sculptor browse. Getting mixed up. It's not him but you know at the time. That was a big dollars. A big performance. And whatever but george has an earlier imitation of benjamin disraeli as an earlier invitation of george arlo rather than george artists as imitation of benjamin disraeli. The fact that this is the more immortalized on film thing. Artists kind of becomes Benjamin disraeli example of that is i was like argued people. 'bout malcolm x. Like i like the movie malcolm expert. Denzel washington is playing denzel washington. He's not playing Malcolm x. if you look at malcolm x's clips the way he talked. His voice is cadence. Like then i'll just watching. This came in and just played himself but he's very charismatic. The emotions have a river similitude as in like you know the emotes. It feels real. He's doing good acting but it's not a good imitation but when people say he really captured malcolm i think they really believe it. I don't think they're lying. I think in their mind when they've made malcolm feel like denzel washington to them lake. They're kind of judging malcolm by You know a reminder of denzel. And i think the i think images do that tv movies do that to a very that If we saw a western that felt that was actually capturing what was like in the old west. We wouldn't like it orange fuel wrong. Because we expect all westerns like it says here to be inferior. Replica replica of john wayne Yes so you kind. Of more beholden to the image than to the reality and a lot of cases the image becomes more real than the reality. Also this part about readers and viewers preferring the candidness of the photograph to disperse to nadya what. What was recounted. That was a good one. The one where they're talking about the the supposed- The thing that happened in the sixty s in terms With a mere morrison asking the news people not to come over there Because he didn't wanna start anything up. I thought it was very interesting lake. You know how even back then how people posing in inflammatory questions that you know. That didn't happen or like engaging. The straw man type questions even was happening then Because you see a lot of that now to like you know if if somebody says you know. I think that we should Think that we should really examine subculture violence theory. You know In its its lens on black men. While you're against you know you're against a women or something like that. You know what i mean. It's i mean it's just it doesn't even matter if you really are against women but can it be said that you are you know and you know. Someone's not really examining too heavily. They can say well you know. Maybe he is right. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah definitely because we're so early in the book like i. I'm not sure like one hundred percent with four seeing is like Been a like say throughout but it feels like he's he he's like looking at how the spectacle is made and like. Compare that to mcluhan. Mcluhan as i said earlier he's looking at how you interact with the spectacle and mike sort of which senses it occupies and how the senses were engaged in previous technologies. And then he's comparing to Yeah i think. That's fair. And i would also say that i think postponed amusing ourselves to death. I think is kind of marrying The two approaches to a degree. 'cause i mitt in is more about The nature of the nature of the medium. Like like how them the medium interacts on the receiver and a receiver acts on The medium to kind of co create each other So you know like with sensors it engages which parts of the brain it engages and stuff. And i'm going off of memory. 'cause i haven't read the image in a while but i feel like you know you're right. The image is more about The the more real world concerns of how it's put together and and the history of how it came that way. Yes so. I think. I think that's a i think what you say is is a pair. He ties and more stuff as it goes on so he he kind of does a lot of pattern recognition and draws like a big Tapestry but i think the nature of what he does still stays in the character of how you described it. I would say Doctor yakub it almost feels like a how to guide it. Does he's very good at definitions to if you're not gonna have as it goes on definitions of like celebrities versus heroes and again the same way i said that pseudo event I felt when a long way to explaining what i was struggling with content when he describes in the next chapter celebrities versus Heroes will remind you a lot of what we talk about with influencers and stuff like that like a lot of things. He says that are created by tv and the movies. You'll notice that the internet world or the the streaming world at a twenty four hour news cycle world has Just amplified it so so much is iranian oil. Oh sorry yeah. I mean he. It's like when you have. I don't know like a concept that's like tangible like that's easier to define whereas mclean basically had to make up his own terminology. Yeah yeah exactly. I mean the both great in their own in their own ways. But but mcluhan i feel like you have to sit and digest it a little more to even understand it whereas this i think pretty quickly and then you can think of a million examples after you understand. There's a lot to ponder. After you read boston but mcluhan it takes a while just to even i think totally get the implications of what he's saying because it's a whole different way of viewing things like you say it requires almost its own language it. That's i was thinking like. You said like postmen sort of Brings the two worlds together. And i i. When are we going to. I guess read postman is going to be too after this Kennedy to after this. I don't think. I don't think we decided i was going to put it to vote because i didn't want to monopolize choices you know. So the next one the next one is gonna be You're ru and like my idea was to have Every other book be something about What i would call thinking about thinking like you know like something kind of kind of metal you know what i mean so And then baby out of other books about the actual history. Not how loses you know like So but one thing that stuff is that you goose probably be the most book that will read like. It's it's thinking about thinking about thinking you know I think it's kamara camara today. I feel like she's she's probably the one who's read at the most. But i think she can agree that it's very meta meta books so i figure we'll see how people feel after the book. Maybe they might want to. More grounded was the opposite word. As like i feel like settlers very grounded and in this one is a little bit more meta and i was thinking like it might be to Alternate grounded in case. Some people aren't into too much metal. So it's gonna be it's gonna be I agree with you. If i had my way i would go into image right after right after your because i think all of this into relates very very well but it is it is it does tend to get very meadows. This is willie on. Can i be heard yes. yeah Yeah i i just had a few thoughts. But i guess first off adidas elitist. Thanks for being. That was like herculean man. No one should have to read that long. We should really breakup next readings. Because like i don't know yet. These chapters are are longer than i than i realized. You're right. I mean if it's technically feasible for us to do it and share it I think it'll be easier on us. but yeah this. I studied communications in university and This is not a text that was You know like mandatory or came up. I think it was mentioned by one of my teachers who was really interested in in making a ton of their students. Read a lot of Philosophy and Like anthropology as well as part of communications theory is a special approach to to communication theory in the city like department here is Not so much focused on like media production but a lot on communications theory. It's specific branch of communications. Where they they mix anthropology technology studies Cybernetics and philosophy. So it's like super rich and this idea of looking at the image and how humans evolved to Kind of lose themselves in the technology that they that they themselves created is really interesting. Because i remember Being assisting in a lecture when my teachers was explaining how in the middle ages were kind of fascinated by the image. You know like illiteracy was very very low. and information traveled Sometimes in the form of stories out of the times in the form of images and Rumors were really prevalent because it was hard to tell you know fact from fiction into reason it and then with like the printing press and different means of communication that came about We started circulating a lot. More information we started being more informed rate so And then you know photography as well. We started getting more and more accurate ways of understanding and being informed and now we seem to be sliding back into what we had in the middle ages where we're relying more and more on images again The same way people in the middle ages. We're looking at like stained glass and paintings. And this is how they communicated now more like you know visual driven media. Instagram took a lot of on twitter. But you know for looking at like rec- rates on for most of the world is sliding back towards like image driven media. And then the fact that rumors are also coming back in a big way in the fact that it's becoming very hard to tell fact from fiction kind of suggests that the way our hyper-mediatized argument is not really taking us to a more informed place but maybe like a over informed and misinformed place. So i really enjoyed the reading great crazy. You brought the middle ages. Suddenly i thought of plato's cave and you know the more you think about it you could find people talking about the prevalence on on on media on media. Sorry on on image over Going back even further than you think i. I don't know why. But somehow that middle ages thing made the plato's cave example Pop into my head and just made me realize like e summer i think we found that the earliest example you could probably think of even earlier ones that point about like this being theory like really stood out to me because that's one of the stories about mcluhan that he that he was actually approached by like an advertising agent or something along those lines who made him famous like the guy called him up. It's like Mr mcluhan how would you like to be famous or whatever or on. Tv crafted the media. Image of mcclure. Mike mclean didn't do himself even though he was studying media and he had all these. I don't know this academic knowledge around him boo. That's a good. That's a good point. Yeah have you guys ever heard spotify. There's a Mcluhan album on their This I i don't know if i'm on one i don't actually like i know mcclellan's name like malcolm mcluhan i guess but like i don't actually know or so how he's relevant sir. Thank you for. Thank you interjecting that. 'cause you're right. We shouldn't assume that everybody knows what we're talking about So he's one of like the godfather media lake M and neil posted. And i guess boston are famous for more more mcluhan and postmen those are the two that have Like stood the test of time though. This I think this is a good book like so far from what we've read. Yeah it's worse than in general is is count like a historian's historian so Not just for this. But he a lot of good history books. He's just a great guy reading general so he's one of those people when you read a lot of history books. His name appears a lot. like use. Bet bet you'll start noticing a lot. If you're looking bibliographies. So i think he is kind of influential. But it hasn't trickled into the mainstream as much as mcluhan and And postmen have. I mean like i said. I discovered him from reading postman. And some other people you know so you do You will see. We talked about rap like you know. There's there's like iconic rappers that are your favorite rapper's rapper. But the average person today is not gonna know Really who the are wider important if you're like Boston is like that with someone else trying to talk. I think i might have cut somebody off now. Could ever many here. T the whole time i could pitch. Oh i was appeared for a while. Us interesting okay. You guys tear me. I urge you second gordon. I reconnected with craig craig craig. While after a while ago craig cases like that crowd have been good. Because i think craig Takes a look copy up. Everyone's thing but he so annoying i. I just couldn't deal with them for people who don't know craig is the software that does backup recording this for us but he never stays the whole time you just disappears all time. I was gonna say r.i.p to any listeners named craig we literally have an a and our voice chat ended in its buggy by. Yeah yeah exactly. But you know Before quarantine happen. I've appeared on different people's podcasts. Who do duda podcast by Having a chat and the discord and inviting. Creggan and craig always worked fine. But lately it's been terrible. But i went to craig's Support site and they claim that there's been such a up shoot. I don't know if maybe more people never starting podcasts or being on discord being home all day. I got a feeling social media usage Roofing general like clubhouse in those hours rooms so they kind of made it seem like the amount of is going to be just an excuse but it seemed like the traffic of discord is is What's overloading overtaxing craig. There were saying craig's tired basically basically craig's so tired but the does anybody remember at which point t sort of fell out a couple of minutes. Go but i i. It was like five to ten seconds. Then he came back on again And a few people dropped out and then they all came back in our hope. It's saw hope is not dropping out in the act rule recording. Hope it's being caught. I mean on my end. I've heard everything you guys were saying. Actually on the final version. My voice is going to be recorded. Because i have separate input from my mind so so it'll be actually you know what it's trying to remember. What i was trying to say is going to be on the recording. So we'll just It wasn't anything you guys haven't heard before. I don't think i already forgot what i was saying. unfortunately I remember like the general idea was like the comparison between a boston and then postman. Mclean all go back and listen to the recording. Yeah yeah exactly. I think what i was saying. Was that Boston is like ten out comparing him to like an old old rapper. Say rocky more. Big daddy kane. Where a lot of modern people don't know them but a lot of their favorite rappers. That's their favorite. Rapper was saying that boston. I feel like is like with Historians where. I read a lot of history. Books and his name will always be in the bibliography for different things. I think there's another book called the americans and he has some other books. That just tend to come up. Come up a lot. So i feel like Maclean and maclean and postman better known with the general public Whereas boston is not so much but he's known with a lot of other influential he's known by a lot of other influential Historians and media study people. Like i wouldn