8 Burst results for "Murray Rothbart"
"murray rothbard" Discussed on Stansberry Investor Hour
"A really light mailbag this week, super light, I've got one item I want to talk about, but it deserves quite a bit of attention. So we've had Kevin Duffy on the show twice. And you know him to be a very thoughtful, well informed guy, fundamental bottom up investor, just a really, really smart thoughtful guy. And I sort of, we've never met in person, but I sort of met Kevin. He listened to the podcast once, oh, maybe a couple of years ago or so. And he wrote in and he said, you know, I disagree with you about this and that. And he was just so thoughtful and smart about it. I don't know how else to put it, that I was immediately just attracted to his mind and his way of thinking. And he wrote me an email last week, and he said, among other things, I have to admit, your comment about rothbard that is Murray rothbard not being a money expert caught me by surprise. No doubt rothbard has his share of critics, I have to think that comment came from someone else not Dan Ferriss, guild or perhaps? Well, I hate argument from authority and believe equity is often get it wrong. Ross Bard wrote extensively on monetary theory monetary history and money in banking. In his Magnum Opus man economy and state written at the age of 36, money is foundational. In fact, a hundred of the 900 pages are dedicated solely to the money supply, agree or disagree. It's hard to disparage his credentials on the subject of money. But Kevin, message received, okay? I believe you are correct and I believe that I am wrong about Ross Bard. Yeah, I've read the money in banking. Mostly the banking stuff. And yes, money always figures into the argument. But who knows? I think it was just my ignorance about like I haven't read man economy and state, for example. Just my ignorance about the sum of his of his works. Also, I found myself sitting back and wondering, gosh, do I think anybody is truly an authority about money? Certainly about the history of money and why it may various types of currency may have succeeded or failed in the past. But I don't know. You know, I want to be sort of just a gold bug fanatic, but I'm just open to other possibilities. You know, I never would have maybe I don't have enough of a sense of time and history, but when I look at the U.S. dollar, I'm like, how did it last
"murray rothbard" Discussed on Stansberry Investor Hour
"Investor hour. I'm your host Dan farris. I'm also the editor of extreme value published by stansbury research. Today we'll talk with investor and author Gotham baid. He's a very thoughtful, super smart super well informed, fundamental bottom up investor. In the mailbag today, a former guest and avid podcast listener points out how wrong I was about Murray rothbard and remember you can call our listener feedback line 803 8 one two three 5 7 tells what's when your mind and hear your voice on the show for my opening round this week, stop talking about market bottoms. The top isn't even in yet. That and more right now on the stansbury investor hour. So we keep seeing these silly articles about the market bottoming and I mean, there was another one just recently in, I guess it was Barron's no, Bloomberg. Yeah, Bloomberg. I got the article had a headline that said, top investment ideas for a market that might have hit bottom, right? And if you type something like that, you'll get a bunch of other articles in the past few weeks. And I think it's silly. Because as I've said before, when the bottom finally does hit, nobody will be talking about bottoms anymore. And the fact is, I don't even think the top is fully in, I think we are still in the most massive mega bubble in history. And you know, if you want at least a little bit of evidence, just look at the meme stocks, the original meme stocks look at AMC entertainment, right? The movie theater company that is owned by a bunch of shareholders call themselves apes and the same apes also own GME, the ticker symbol GME for GameStop. AMC and GME. The sort of the two most famous iconic meme stocks, and I have a one month chart of both of them in front of you, a Bluebird. And in one month, AMC is up 73% and GME is up 36%. These are highly indebted companies whose businesses are dying, okay? And the market says that they're worth billions and billions of dollars. I mean, I'll be shocked if there's more than two or three bucks worth of intrinsic value in either one of them.
"murray rothbard" Discussed on Bitcoin Audible
"I disagree with this notion of it being a theoretical idea incompatible with reality. It's actually the idea that's most compatible with reality. And without it, America would not have gone from a newly colonized land to the center of innovation and subsequently the greatest economic power in the world within a century, and long before the statist or federalists took over. What made America great was the lack of central government. The frontiersmen spirit and the laissez-faire market in which innovation, great ideas and technology drove progress forward. The original libertarian ideas of America can still be found in the American constitution, and the inertia they gave that part of the world has continued to give it an edge, despite all the damage done by the democratic republic, and the collectivists over the past 200 years. Why we deviated from that is a topic of much larger discussion, which people like Hans Herman hapa, Murray rothbard, Ayn Rand, or William Davidson and James Dale Reese mogg, discuss in their books. The short version in my limited space here is that the advent of industrial technology and advantages of centralization at scale ensured the public apparatus known as the state was the most effective way of seizing and accruing power, especially with the threat of mass violence. The most violent leaders were able to form monopolies voted in by the people, and ever since, humanity has been living through a strange and evolutionarily deviant experiment, where all systems processes natural environments, lifestyles, diets, information, and opinions are being homogenized, standardized, sterilized, and made as devoid of any variants as possible. In order to cater to the lowest common denominator of bipedal humanoid. The goal is sameness, so they've made everything fluid, relative, and mutable. In this way, everything becomes meaningless, because when something is everything, it is nothing. But alas, at least for the collectivists, nature is far older than humans, and life far too complex for our tiny minds to comprehend. So all of the centralization and globalization will only lead to an unraveling in the opposite direction.
"murray rothbard" Discussed on Stansberry Investor Hour
"He says, thanks again for all the great information you put out there on the show. I learned a lot from Eric a Eric. There was plenty of gold pulled out of the ground between 1815 and 1913 and it was a century of deflation. I don't know. I'm not a money expert. I just kind of noticed that and what George guilder said to me rang true. For that reason alone. So, you know, if it's not true, hey, get me a money expert to explain how all this is supposed to work. And no, Murray rothbard is not one. As much as I admire the man and love his ideas, not a money expert. Although he had a lot of good things to say about banking, we could quibble about that. We could debate about whether rothbard is the authority on that. Maybe we'll do that another time, Eric, thanks for the question. And finally this week is Dan F yeah, Dan? F, same last initial as me. And Dan F says, hi Dan, in June of 2020, the U.S. inflation rate was 0.6%, then since then it's gone up 15 X and we've had a war breakout that severely impacted the global economy, yet gold sits at the same price it was back then. In fact, the war broke out this year in inflation really took off but gold is down about 5% on the year. If gold is still relevant, how can it sit there doing nothing with these two key factors have been present in the extreme, since the average age of people who hold gold is 55, could it be that there aren't enough younger investors who care about gold to keep the historical thesis for it going? I hold plenty of gold. I'm 65. But I'm really starting to wonder if I'm living in a time gone by regarding this. I would appreciate your thoughts on it Dan F so you can't cherry pick a moment in time and say, you know, it didn't work.
"murray rothbard" Discussed on Good One: A Podcast About Jokes
"Cinco, it's a Nick marks in which we'll discuss how these shows are able to capture the intention and passion and ad dollars of young white men. So this is transition just into the fourth chapter, which is that you call the legions of libertarian podcasters. And I think at least as I think of it, when I think of this world, it's this space. Partly because how popular these things are, right? Joe Rogan with his 11 million whatever, Tim Dillon with his $200,000 a month in Patreon, money, and but it's not even just 10 billion. If you look at the top ten patreons, they are almost all the sort of comedians. Andrew Schultz, right? And they waver in how political they are. However, they, I think they overlap most with sort of audience, I think well, I think you mentioned a little bit about Rogan's politics, which are sort of all over the map. And a lot of them, I think Bernie is the politician they praise the most because it's more about style over the specific policies, though, again, like Rogan will be like, I believe in universal healthcare, but then probably to someone else. He's impossible because I remember once someone said he has no empathy. The problem is he has so much empathy to whoever's in front of him that you can never really know. So Dave Smith, who is a member of the skanks, is like libertarian true he's part of the party. But how do you, how do you beyond sort of Joe? Like how do you categorize the politics? When you define libertarian in this aspect, what does it mean for them? Right, so the point about Rogan you make is exactly right. You know, the argument we make is that Rogan doesn't have politics. He has demographics. Yeah. Right. He has sort of a set of ideas and sort of as you sort of empathies that tend to attract a certain kind of audience. It's very male. It's very young. It's very interested in, I guess, buying pubic hair shavers and boxes of raw meat and the kinds of things that he sells and, you know, that's part of it. I mean, to be clear, the way that social media works and you've alluded to this, you know, you can be part of the right wing comedy complex and also part of a liberal space because you can be hacked up and get these four hour shows. You can be broken up into pieces. Need not be exclusive. That said, the people you're pointing to, particularly Dave Smith, right? Have a very, they're very political. They're sort of ideological and actually rather pure. And so, you know, I think that what we see there is, you know, there's two things at play. There is actually really well thought out, even if you don't like it much, libertarian philosophy. So Dave Smith will talk about Murray rothbard, who's a sort of major libertarian thinker, as far as I can tell, very knowledgeably. I'm not a rothbard scholar, but he seems to know what he's talking about. And you know, they make these to many of us, these outlandish libertarian arguments that there should be no driver's licenses or no drunk driving laws. And then he'll explain why based on the libertarian theories of liberty and whatever else. And that is one approach into places like the legion of skanks, sort of this really well thought out thing about fundamental principles of politics, but then when you get in there, that mostly plays out on this one issue, which is free speech, which is taken to mean I should be able to say anything I want no matter what, which is not sort of argued against, but then it's a tempt is to take offensive speech and it starts off by saying, I can say that and that's good. And then it becomes sort of its own driving engine though, and all of a sudden, you know, using slurs is like a political statement towards free speech, as opposed to anything else. And so that's the major transition. I'll let Nick talk about how they actually do it. Yeah, if the imperative is I'm a comedian, I ought to be able to exercise my free speech. It very quickly becomes if I'm not exercising my free speech to the most offensive degree possible then I'm not doing comedy anymore. Then I'm like pussy out or whatever. So the lesson that I think the skanks take from Rogan is one of demographics. I think they very quickly learned that this lucrative young male audience was something that they could sort of shave off from him and hold onto by going a step beyond Rogan by being even filthy meaner, more sort of crass version of what Rogan does. And so you've got these extended riffs where it's no accident that they record that show in a bar or they did for the longest time before all the COVID stuff had, you know, they've got a waitress that they riff off of and Louis Gomez is sort of hitting on her on and off. They're watching viral videos of who's more justified in hitting a woman or in using the N word, right? And it's all done in the name of like this stuff exists. I have a right to talk about it. So it is my job to take it to the most extreme length possible bit we discuss in the book is one in which they're showing a news clip of a young black woman reporter talking about use of the word you guys to not be a polite way to talk about a mixed gender group of people anymore. For the next few centuries, those who likened him in fashion, appearance.
"murray rothbard" Discussed on Liberty Talk FM
"It's social dot free talk live dot com and I said recently, You know what I do is I post on social free talk live dot com And then I have a website called I f T. T. T stands for if this then that that automatically posts that over to my Twitter account. And even though I've got more than three times are about three times as many, um, followers on Twitter than I do on mastodon because I've had that account for 10 years. Sure. I get more engagement and more re toots or whatever, on mastodon these days. Nice. Yeah, so that that that line has been crossed, which is pretty awesome. I have someone else handling my twitter at the moment. I don't know how to use it right? And I had f I f t T T to set up to go through telegram rather than method. I hadn't gotten around to setting it up as you have it yet, So I actually had to turn off my read telegram ng because I had I f t t t going to both Twitter and telegram my permission to use Twitter but not telegram So I had to turn that off, So it didn't look like I was using telegram to post my post the telegram even though it would have been me. Technically, it would have been this robot on this website. But, yeah, I programmed the robot. I guess. Technically, he could argue with me. So that's why if anybody follows me on telegram, you haven't seen an update since March, 15th, But I have been posting the best place to see them is over at social dot Free talk live dot com, which is where I post to first and foremost, That's where everything goes First. It's the longest Location get the more you get more characters there than you do on Twitter. So if I posted also true get to read the whole thing. It's 1776 characters, isn't it? That's if you don't post from like an app. Most of the apps. They're going to still limited 500. That's still twice what you get on Twitter. So check it out. It's social dot free talk live dot com. We have bad slave on the line in New Hampshire, you're on free talk live. Thank you, Heather. Uh, glad Glad you're on the line. Still for us. That's what we do. And, um Idea of that. I want to bring up the word democracy. Uh, you know, demo, I think is As the people right as, uh, Prefects for Latin prefect for the people, right? Sounds believe idea. And, uh, what is a card just like in many other cases. Is the the words have been modified to Add majoritarian. Two. You know what ought to You know, proceed. Democracy. I think that if you're gonna talk about majoritarian democracies, if then, then you're going to talk about that and well, if you wanted to find out the will of the people. What other mechanism what you have then to basically pull and see what the majority want. Well, you know, I I would take it down to the individual level of Self governance so bad Well, yeah, that would be the ideal but to answer your question or by the person that's self ruled by the individual. An autocracy. Autocracy, I think is is another term for that. But I think that you know you could say a supermajority instead of just a simple majority, you could say 90%. Is required to pass a law or something like that. And that would be a nine wolves eating one sheep and and we act actually look at the the body of law and now And you know it dumped almost all of it violates Some constitutional provision of limitation of government and I'll wear Yeah, that whole limitation thing didn't really work out real well. No, absolutely didn't because, you know, you know, people just Allowed the the authorities to have their way. I mean, the people didn't really and this was one of the most eye opening things I ever read from what Murray Rothbard is set in the Constitution. In the Supreme Court. We gave the state the power to determine what the state was and was not allowed to do and the state is always going to side on. It's okay for the state to do a thing. So people have this belief that the Supreme Court is a separate part of government. That's not really part of the state. But no, it's part of the state. The Supreme Court is the state. And and and the actual governors. Are supposed to be the individual people. And they're they're They're the final say. And and we we need to take. A withdrawal of consent. And apply it. Uh, you know, and and some sort of, uh, at least a significant minority. Action to to let them know that there are no longer uh, you know the rightful governors because, Yeah, well, actually, that happened earlier This year, there was the committee of Safety. That went to the State House. They had their own declaration. It's like a new declaration of independence that was read aloud. It took like 20 minutes to read the thing in front of the statehouse. Dozens of people signed it. They took it down to the governor's office and gave him a copy. And then they took it down to the department of so called justice and gave them a copy and and You know what they haven't listened. They just don't care. They're going to keep doing what they're going to do. What needs to happen is people need to refuse to consent and refused to obey. And we're not to the point yet where people are upset enough not to the point where people are willing to let's say not pay property taxes. Best slave. You mentioned withdrawing consent. I would love to withdraw cassette, but I never gave consent in the first place. I mean, either, and I've told them before, and thanks for the combat slave. I've told them in court. Hey, you know, I'm using article 10 of the New Hampshire Constitution, which for listeners that don't know is actually the right to revolution. That's literally what article 10 is. It is it is written as the right of revolution, and they don't care. They don't care that I don't consent. They don't care that I'm you know, I'm in a state of of throwing off the shackles of the government because They don't care what's written down in their documents. They do whatever it is they want to do now. There is some interesting news. We we talked earlier about the independence movement here in New Hampshire. Yeah, we're gonna likely be hearing more about that. Over the coming weeks as two state representatives, at least two there may be as many as 10. There's a rumor that as many as 10 have agreed in private to to sign onto this during that publicly is different, though it will be different, so we'll see how many of them actually sign onto a bore, expecting a minimum of two of them to file a bill that will give people the opportunity. If it passes so There's that part we have to get through 60/60 percent of the vote, so not just a simple majority, but a larger majority. I want to hear representatives and senators explain, though. Why they don't think the people of New Hampshire should be allowed to vote. Yeah, well, they're going to get to that. Because this thing is going to get filed and you can go to NH exit dot us to learn more about what's been going on. We've got the full planning sessions have all been public. All of for the four different meetings we've had so far have already been recorded and publicly released. There's already some people freaking out about it. And speaking of people freaking out, according to at free state NH on Twitter is the official free state Project Twitter account, which has just been killing it. Recently since Jeremy Kaufman from Odyssey and Library took over. He's awesome, leaked secret organizing email from a progressive organization. This month's Can't Street coalition is the quote from this the leaked email. Ken Street Coalition meeting focuses our attention on the threat to municipal elections from the free state movement, Renny Cushing, who is one of the leading representatives on the left. Will describe the profound free state influence on the legislature. Profound influence on the legislature. Also, this is a secret email that was leaked out. This is what the status are saying about the free state project that we are having a profound influence. They're bringing mayors and candidates from around the state to describe what is happening in their local elections. And they will describe ways in which these leftist groups can work to combat the free state takeover attempt. We? The free state wants to take over so you can be left alone. While these are people who don't want to leave you alone. These are people who are very upset that they may lose power. They are losing power. They are They're fighting with free status, and they're not just up against normal Republicans anymore. This is a serious problem.
"murray rothbard" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio
"Together but basically Iran leads to Murray Rothbard leads to this guy Hans Hermann Papa who's like a German sort of just asking the question like why why can't we you know have covenants of multiplication Bob I'm not into Marantz antisocial it's like it I there are more steps in the book but basically an end like that is yes that is a scary thing and there is this it is not yeah it is weird to think of the kind of traditional thing as an underdog economically it just sort of is like there and it's like it it's weird to talk about it that way but it just kind of is the case there also is there also is this yeah the the reluctant institutionalize thing was the way I kept thinking about it where you never wanna like when I shop these people's parties you know so the whole kind of opening section of the book is is inauguration weekend I'm at this party called the deplorable which is a very witty pun which you know because you have to explain it and they are all and again it's this sort of me trying to kind of anthropological vicariously go okay what is the thrill for them and the only way I could kinda hit on it was to go okay what they're vie being with is the part of me like the eighth grade part of me that it's like don't tell me not to skateboard on that you like I'll do it if I want to and you like okay but the statue you're skating on is called democratic norms like you I'm sure it's fun for you right now but the notion that women should be allowed to work and it's like trans people are okay and like you shouldn't punch people like those are like it's in my feel cool to you to be a renegade and be like why prove it but like just you gotta grow up eventually and I'm talking you know forty year old fifty year old like this some of them are you know fourteen year old trolls in their basement but a lot of these people are like Gavin McGinnis who founded vice media and was just sort of like I really want to go fight someone because I'm just like because it's Punkin counter cultural and like your ideas are interesting and but this is another thing where there was a there was a part of me in those moments that wanted to say that and there was another part of me that was like actually be better if I just sort of hold my tongue for like three years give or take an essay in the book because that's sort of what journalism is it feels weird because it feels like you're kind of you're playing a persona yeah but you kind of have to do it to get the goods and and it's weird how many of them even though they knew who I was and I knew where I came from just by kind of showing up and shutting up they get lulled into this thing of like and not lying so they appreciate that you're not lying about them right but they kind of forget that you still have a brain and that you're still perceiving things that they're doing and forming judgments about them in your head in fact or the end I mean not not not as well but I think some some of them are like at some point in time that they're gonna like readily totally like we're just waiting for you to make the switch no I got it I don't think so I don't think so guys but yeah a lot of them because so many of them have switched from either Bernie's supporters or you know whatever other ideological some of them don't have ideologies but some of them really are like you know they just think well all the stuff is so flimsy and meaningless anyway like we'll get you to and I mean I remember being at the deplorable all in being like talking to some you know just sort of Tralee performance artist guy who then you know was kind of trying to schmooze me up into your question about oxygen I was really trying to not give him the time of day because I was just like I don't want to play into your shtick and I I'm not naive enough to think that there is no transactional nature to any journalistic interaction so I was like sometimes it's going to be worth it for me to write about you guys but I'm still aware that you're using me as much as I'm using you and so I was trying to kind of stay farm go away and then he gets up on the stage and makes his announcement that he's going to be the White House press correspondent for this thing called the gateway pundit which is I mean I have a blanket like don't Google the stuff in my book role but if you do just do it on an incognito browser because it'll you're you too will never look the same but I I I know from experience but I I can't believe you did that there's a I thought I thought that you know the people of Viking B. like just FY I just sit safe browser they yeah I look Jeff this is part of what journalism is it's like going into weird world some weird spaces and in a way it's funny it's funny how much we are so tripped up on this like how much should we know how much should we look away it's good that we're tripped up on it because again it's good that we're struggling through it but it's like we don't really do that with you know Baca her on or something we're not like should be covered or not right because it because I think it just feels far away and it feels like with this it feels too close and it feels almost like I think some people are just kind of like I don't know how much of that I can really refute I mean there's this very you can go to us to a place where you're like I think some people don't want to look at it because they just are kind of like I don't necessarily want to do the work of actually something out how much of this I can explicitly disagree with so yeah it's just kind of like let's just make it go away but but you know then once I once this guy was like making his announcement that he was gonna my point was he's from the gateway pundit which don't Google it but it's just like it's like a it's like a it's a four point five tiers below Breitbart web tablet and that was his gonna get that was who he was reporting for from the White House and I say reporting in our clothes because he wasn't doing Jack **** he was just like there as a troll as an act of trolling right but I was like okay my I will go with you on the make a bus to DC and I will sit next to you in the make of us as you watch king of the hill on your laptop and now that that was like his preparation for the White House and because he knew I mean on one hand he was just not a serious person but on another hand he knew that his job was not to hold the powerful to account for like come up with the question I was going to break open the Russia scandal his his job was to show up and freak people out and he succeeded yeah and what struck what strikes me so much I'm sorry this every time I just spoke about everything and you and you went into the White House the the press briefing room with all these you know yeah performance artist performance they're doing under the guise of journalism it's just but what's interesting is that if you show how it's possible to impossible to ignore for these reasons right so they're permeating the White House itself physically and then on the other hand at the beginning at the deplorable one of the things that I found so jarring in NYC like immediately which just shows you how important this book is that after deplorable with these people is Peter feel somebody who is sort of wrapped in a certain kind of respectability certainly not anathema as in the way that these other people are and you show how also the tech elite are implicated in is also thinking about your book obviously a lot this week watching mark Zuckerberg before Congress being peppered on these precise things what are you doing to keep these people away from our eyes and ears on the internet and so I mean I found myself wondering sort of how you took out all and and I mean I I think the answer is no but whether you think that these people have learned any lessons about their power with respect to all yeah yeah yeah so these people being the technician took effect the techno Utah yeah yes yeah feels and Luxembourg yeah and and he was asked about deal too I mean he was asked directly like what's your board member Peter Thiel aware of Cambridge analytica and all these things so I don't think they've learned I don't think they've learned nothing what we mean by learned I think they have I think that mark Zuckerberg is now aware that he cannot just ignore this stuff from a PR perspective is just not gonna fly like ever since Facebook before Facebook was Facebook ever since it was like do you think this girl is hot dot com or whatever it was before it was Facebook he has been apologize he has been breaking rules and apologizing for them and I think that's just the strategy like do everyone apologize later and I think he knows that this one is too big and by this one I mean data I mean privacy I mean how do we so to me it's not it's not only how do we keep these things out of our eyes and ears because it at that his strategy recently has been to just rely on this notion of free speech right so he gives he gives this he gave his big speech at Georgetown last week where he said we believe in free speech and because of free speech speech is good and the answer to speech at that you don't like is more speech and therefore we're doing fine because free speech it was forty minutes of of that and also referencing Frederick Douglass somehow but I don't think you're referencing king again I mean it's a little game of this it's also it's again it's this very selective reading of American history that goes and because the facts are accurate it's like yes we have a first amendment yes Frederick Douglass was a fan of it yes following so far the logic stance yeah the parts that are being left out our okay because we have a first amendment in because free speech is good how does it then follow that that's the only good worth pursuing that's the only kind of freedom that matters like it's especially offensive to be invoking Douglas and hang and be like the only kind of freedom that matters is everyone's freedom to give me money through their time and attention like that's not what freedom means that is a kind of freedom if you wanted to find it extremely narrowly and some kind of newspeak sense but it's not a robust division of freedom and it and I think the thing that has been left out this is not correct thing but it's also just as we talked about earlier a general society thing we don't think about freedoms as being for just right sort GP got struck concepts as being able to be in tension with one another or to have complex trade offs among them you know there had it is a time when things that don't need to be said still need to be set so I'm going to say the first name is lovely I love it Frederick Douglass loved it let's not get rid of it it's wonderful and I don't want anybody with bad ical ideas being sent to jail so we're just so what I'm what I'm advocating for that that not be the end of the discussion and it's just weird to me how often we establish those very very very simple facts and go all right we get everybody good and like just to imagine if we did that with the second amendment like we have established that I.
"murray rothbard" Discussed on Liberty Talk FM
"Of no one now marks Columbus day as indigenous peoples day and observed Italian heritage day on Sunday as reported by the Sacramento bee according to the supervisor of the town this is a shameful act of hatred and vandalism said supervisor Aaron Peskin who represents a traditionally Italian American neighborhood of North Beach according to the San Francisco examiner Peskin called it the lowest form of behavior so is is this guy an actual Columbus fan because this is what I've had a very difficult that's how in wealth okay I mean Columbus was working for the Spaniards time it was the Habsburgs who are no longer in power I think that's my guess he was queen Isabel wanted it and yeah king for Dan but I I think there are fat Habsburgs I mean you know these people got so in bread they could barely talk yeah I mean I I I I don't know like the American south why I'm supposed to care I've never met anybody who is in bread I in the south I can say I know people who got married at fourteen it had false teeth by twenty so well Hey some of the some of the stereotypes are true sure certainly I saw the guy continues I mean we're here to celebrate our heritage our beliefs are background and that's disgusting I'm sorry but that really offends me here it is Columbus day is one of ten federal holidays so this is why Columbus day is being defended Columbus day is being defended because shiftless government bureaucrats want the day off and they want to get paid for it all right if you want to celebrate indigenous people on Columbus day I'm with you let's go let's go ahead and do that if you want to celebrate Italian American heritage day and the day before awesome I don't care either I like I have yet to meet this Columbus fan this guy that things I mean he started the age of exploration he was a man of vision he certainly did not to transcend cultural norms of his time by you know slavery is what I'm specifically talking about it certainly brought some people into slavery and certainly was willing to use violence to get what he wanted you know brought up the swords to in order to to get what was convenient for him at the time but I mean a new day in that went away no no that's gone and it's not specific to Italians Spaniards Europeans from the Old World the eastern hemisphere the western hemisphere anything like that's not specific that's a human behavior and if you're anything that you're upset about Columbus doing you're upset about humans doing I would agree let's go to our from Texas see what his opinion is earlier on free talk live rapid Columbus day I'm just a little bit of a little good conversation bunkers one of these little ones out there mention of the standing Christopher Columbus is wrong and Chris woman is maybe not the best guy in the world but he he wants one you know that discover your opinion your volume out there what did you say you did what are you this is govern America and and then he was Italian and then on I got I love Italian people I work for a dying breed big shot before I was an auto shop before retiring and the prime Christopher Columbus and I and I look I'm married to an Italian and I have never heard this Italians prep you don't have pride Christopher Columbus I can ask around I haven't considered I'm sorry crystal cornice news covered American how can you not like them and I think it's demonstrably false I was saying we discovered that the most it will move your never born Manson murders them and they still can't just go out most of the state I'm I'm with you the day of the statue isn't yours you shouldn't go to facing it what if it belongs to the state that it is for governments that you ordered don't matters not to thank you Christopher Columbus they do that the Christopher Columbus isn't it like literally there statue though if the government paid for it new government put it up for a reason and then popular because we're going to stand here the government you were not used to this is there anybody that they could put a statue above that would be acceptable to rather easily Robert Heinlein father of the civil war American Furthermore that's acceptable to face are not acceptable robbery leaves and one of the things that it would be acceptable to the face of Robert E. Lee stature no no no **** okay is theirs is there a statue out there of some person is a person of which you could correct the statue that would be acceptable to deface maybe Hitler Hitler that every and nobody likes that guy that's for sure I mean if you if you make a list of him he's he's way on the bottom of like to people that much is true I can't imagine anybody putting one up I don't I don't know if there's a hitch the Hitler statue in that anywhere in the world but yeah I get old I guess if somebody put a private statue of Hitler I would have to say that's their statue and you shouldn't to face it but will probably not gonna go well thank you so much for the call I I would tend to a creed that you know you you can't deface statues when they belong to people when they belong to ordinary individuals out there if you want to erect a statue to it off Hitler I don't agree with it but I'm not going to destroy the statue that is literally your property my question about the statue being built and maintained by the government's however makes it the property of the supposedly the people now I recognize the people to be as you know Max started what it characterized it a spoke a fictitious illusion a construct that doesn't exist as an abstraction there only individuals out there right so this whole the it belongs to the people think it's nonsense in the first place what individual people does a statue belong to according to them the mythology around government and public property in all of this kind of nonsense is that that statue belongs to the people and the people on Saturday night chose to the face that statue you so a lot of statues that are on government property were put there by organizations right so this gets complicated right so maybe the Italian American club of San Francisco way back in nineteen sixty one but you know pulls its money and says we're going to who is the most advanced Italian we can figure out that affects America Christopher Columbus right so they come up they they put their their minutes without Capone I don't have a problem with that if that's what they wish to do but people are wild about Al Capone memorabilia by the way they they're crazy about it but if they put their money together and then just said Hey I wonder if we can get the city to let us put this here I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with him choosing to do that and it's still sort of their statue do you get it I'm not sure I do I think that if they were to put the statue that they pay for onto public property that's essentially relinquishing ownership of it I think I think the defective Lee that's true but I don't think any of them sat down had a libertarian meeting with Murray Rothbard and understood that that's what they're doing and what I should have what they're saying is is there we're going to buy the statue of this great man who affected in the United States and blah blah blah whatever damn awesome story they've got for themselves it turns out the happy right and it was just intended to be a statue to celebrate being Italian and stuff and you know didn't work out that way I can see this point of view so I can if you if it's the statue of the people but it's acceptable for the people to tear it down then it's also acceptable for the people to stand near the statue and shoot anybody who to face is it that's what public property would be like another protest tell you like that there's a little protest protests that I mean that makes it effectively the same thing right five five four five zero three seven three three it's eight fifty five four fifty free and free talk live do you want to shoot people face.