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Impeachment Testimony; Exclusive Interview with Fiona Hill's Lawyer and Representative Sean Patrick Maloney

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Impeachment Testimony; Exclusive Interview with Fiona Hill's Lawyer and Representative Sean Patrick Maloney

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New Witnesses to pursue one of the witnesses today was himself a new lead. Late Edition. David Holmes Political Fares Counselor at at the US embassy in Kiev but the store was fueled a hill former senior director for Europe in Russia. The National Security Council her attorney joins US exclusively in just a moment. Dr Hill had a front row view from inside. The White House is portions. The country's foreign policy and national security institutions were used or co opted into serving which she. She says she recognized me. The president's personal political agenda. Here's how she describes Ambassador Sunland role. He was being involved in a domestic political errand and we were being involved in national security foreign policy and those two things have just diverged so he was corrects accent. I had not put my finger on at the moment but I was irritated with him. Angry with him that he wasn't fully coordinating and I did sit him ambassador Sunlen Garden Alton. I think this is all going to blow up and hey we are and here. We are domestic political errands. She called it her boss. National Security Adviser John Bolton knew about it investor. Donlan has already testified that he kept Bolton in the loop along with Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Vice President Pence and others who have yet to testify or being prevented from talking talking. She confirmed today that invariables and did in fact call. What was happening a drug deal and he did he? Scorned upon the president's point man alleged bag man and private attorney Rudy. Giuliani Johny. What do you think he meant by his characterization of Giuliani's handgrenade what he meant by this was pretty you clear to me in the context of all of the statements that Mr Giuliani was making publicly thought the investigation that he was promoting the storyline? He was promoting the narrative narrative of he was promoting going to backfire. I think it has backfired the Doctor Hill and David Holmes also cast doubt on the claims of two participants that they didn't know until late in the game that the president's demand Ukraine investigate the company PRISMA meant investigating the Biden's ambassadors Volcker and Sunland tried to draw a distinction between their understanding of the connection between Barista and the Biden's but Dr Hill was an apparent to you that when president trump rudy. Giuliani or. Anyone else was pushing for an investigation into Barista that the reason why they wanted that. Investigation related to what President Trump said here. The Biden's. It was very apparent to me that that was what Rudy Giuliani intended. Yes intended to convey the burri smell Matt was linked to the Biden's and he said this publicly repeatedly Mr Holmes you also understood the Burrito was code for Biden's yes and do you think that anyone involved in Ukraine matters in the spring and the summer would understand that as well yes so after today Volcker and Gordon Sunland could have some explaining to do who as for Republican efforts including the president highlight. What they say is the true scandal? which by the way the? US intelligence community has already debunked. Dr Hill was having having none of it refused to be part of an effort to legitimize an alternate narrative that the Ukrainian government is a US advisory and that Ukraine not Russia attacked us in two thousand sixteen. And I think that you know what we're seeing here as a result of All of these narratives as this is exactly what the Russian government was hoping for. Let's David Holmes. He recounted the phone call that he overheard portions of Ambassador Sunland speaking on a cellphone at the table at a restaurant in Kiev to the president of the United States Bashur Solomon replied yes in Ukraine and went on to state. The president's Linski quote loves her ASS. I then heard president trump asked so he's going to do the investigation Bashur Song replied that he's GonNa do it. Adding the president's Alinsky will do anything. Ask Him to do so. This is the president who claims there was no quid. Pro Quo asking one of whose lieutenant and it's about the effort to obtain the quo the day after he had on the phone own asked the Ukrainian president for two investigations and just to be clear to Holmes. This was Mr Trump's priority not corruption in Ukraine. Here's what homes told the committee about what he was told. After the call ended Basser saw agreed that the president did not give an expletive about Ukraine. I asked why not Ambassador to the president only cares about big stuff. I noted there was big stuff going on in Ukraine like a war with Russia in Basilan excellent replied that he meant big stuff benefits. The president like the Biden investigation into Mr Giuliani was pushing an ongoing war with Russia was not big big stuff of interest in the president. According to his supporter embassador sunlen Ukrainians dying fighting and dying to stop an invasion by Russia. That wasn't big stuff. Biden was something summing up the past two weeks of testimony narratives Republicans and Democrats are clear and completely contradictory. Here's how ranking Republican Nunez summed up the last two weeks you've seen in this room over. The past. Two weeks is a show trial. The plan result of three years of political operations operations and dirty tricks campaigns waged against this president and like any good show trial the verdict was decided before the trial ever began. The spectacle with its secret depositions and mid hearing press conferences is not meant into discover the facts it was designed to produce a specific storyline to push forward by the Democrats and their supporters in the media committee. Chairman Adam Schiff. A Democrats had very differently. Here he is talking about Ukraine's president and then Donald Trump this president. This new president who goes far superior power that is invaded. His country is going into negotiation with Putin over how to resolve this conflict whether he has good good. Leverage or lousy leverage depends depends on whether the Russians think he has a relationship with the president and the president wouldn't give him that not without getting getting something in return wouldn't give him that official. Act that White House meeting without getting something in return and that return was investigations of his rival level. That would help his reelection. An official act for something of clear value and something very important. The big stuff stuff as sunland explain to you. Mr Holmes is what we're talking about. Here is the withholding of recognition in that White House meeting. Meeting the withholding of military aid to an ally at war is beyond anything. Nixon did joining now. A few and a hills attorney Ambassador Will Ski Lee. Thanks so much for being with us. How does Dr Hill think today went for her? Feel like she was able to communicate what she wanted to the committee. Well she really wanted to do she said in her opening statement is testify to what she saw what she knew and to help. Guide the committee toward the truth. And in that respect as a fact witness I think she achieved her objective. The the phrase that she used to describe Sutherland's mission a domestic mystic political errand. A lot of people said that that was a big takeaway from today. That it sort of encapsulated what was going on here. Does she agree. Well Yeah I as she testified to. I think that what what she she began to notice is that in fact this really wasn't an irregular or shadow foreign policy effort as some people have called it it was actually domestic politics She was doing national security. As we're others and foreign policy and Salmon Solomon and Guiliani were taking steps to advance the political interests of the president and I think that what she crystallized is how pernicious it can be when our national security and what our foreign policy decision making is basically co opted or held hostage to the individual political interests one individual. I mean. It's it's so interesting because Dr Hill saw it seems like John Bolton saw because he described as a drug deal in Dr Hill testified to adot today and yet you had ambassador Sunlen who admittedly has no experience in any of these matters but is for somehow so for some reason by the president inserted into the midst of it's even though it's not in his his portfolio and Ambassador Volker who certainly has been around The diplomatic block walk for a very long time. They claim they didn't see that until much much later. Well they weren't doing foreign policy. I mean there's a there's there's a long bilateral agenda with Ukrainians. The Doctor Hill went through today. A little bit of all the issues that we typically go through with Ukrainians one when we are trying to advance our interests and values in Ukraine. And they didn't do any of that they were there. I think I think Salman said that he was a dealmaker dealmaker. Would they were there to do to deal. It didn't really have to do. I think she explain today with advancing foreign policy objectives and had to do with a political learned in fact it's online testified that it didn't even matter if they actually followed through in the investigations they just had to announce the they were doing the investigations which is incredibly telling L. Ing Doctor. He'll began her testimony with a full throated. Rebuttal of what she called the fictional narrative pushed by president trump and his allies that it was Ukraine that interfere in the two thousand sixteen election not Russia. I'm wondering about her decision to do that. Knowing full well it can make her a target. I mean she said that out of at the gate. Well I mean as I think it's clear she's she's she's there to tell the truth. She's a remarkable woman who in addition to being her Laura. That's actually known her. For almost thirty years She grew up in the north of England in poverty. Her father and her father's family were coal miners. Her Mother's Family Act actually worked in the sewers of northern England and she She worked very hard. Obviously she won a scholarship to you. Harvard got her. PhD There and then. She did something that she said would never have been possible for a working class. Young Woman from northern England in the UK Day of the nineteen eighties nineties which she went on to become our country's foremost expert on Vladimir Putin the rush and Russian security services services. And she's now served three presidents and what she said is that that is what makes America great the ability to take these people who are Americans by a choice to take them in and to put them to productive use in service of our countries Core interest. She said that Alex Vitamin as a similar background. And of course Chevanton Vich does as well Republicans on the committee I mean they acknowledged that Russia interfered in two thousand sixteen election. But they also did it with the caveat that it it could also have been Ukraine. Kevin McCarthy top Republican in the house tonight rejected her testimony saying that he thinks meddled in the two thousand sixteen election. It seems like this idea. This conspiracy theory has really been fully embraced by many of these Republicans. Well Dr Hill Her testimony was very factual. She's interested in the facts and explaining the facts I think she pointed out effectively Really there's no no. Oh compelling evidence that the Ukrainian government launched a top-down effort to interfere in our elections as indisputably as the case the Russians did in two thousand sixteen. She went through Politico article that was used in her deposition to support the proposition that perhaps the the Ukrainians did interfere in our elections and not the Russians and it turns out that doesn't really support What it's been held out as supporting reporting and she pointed out a very good point That it actually is a product of a rush of the Russian intelligence services services and Russian influence campaign to divert attention to the real perpetrators of election interference in two thousand sixteen. which is the Russians? Of course the Russians want To deflect attention to another actor but the fact is that there's no evidence really support no evidence at all. It's always interesting hearings to watch. How did the The people are asking questions. Respond to a witness Dr He'll clearly was very strong on the witness. Stand end in giving her testimony. It seemed to me that as the hearing progressed a number of Republicans simply stopped asking her questions instead just delivering kind of long speeches is hardly even addressing her. You know I mean why. Do you think that was where she not adhering to the narrative that they wanted her to or as I said and as a she said she she was there to answer their questions I think she did that She answered some questions to the satisfaction of the Republicans. Some questions disatisfaction of the Democrats but her objective was not to advance this impeachment inquiry in any particular direction in except toward the truth. The the it was clear the doctor had been watching other. Witnesses testified. I wonder what else she did to prep for the hearing. And as her attorney how you feel it all went and based on what you unexpected versus. What actually ended up happening well again? Our goal was really to do our legal obligation fulfill fill our moral obligation to provide the information that she was a fact witness to to the Congress and that's that's what she did she obviously spent a considerable amount of time about the issues underlying the inquiry and obviously read her deposition transcript but beyond that. I'd say you know she just. She just really went in to try to answer the questions that were posed to her and to to help the Congress with a very difficult decision it needs to make rudy. Giuliani is just a short time ago. Responded to Dr Hill's testimony saying quote their issue is their disagreement with our president. I had no policy. I was investigating. Crimes was committed in Ukraine to defend my client. She and her compatriots did nothing to expose the corruption or to defend our president. Well her her job was to advance the national security interests of the United States She made clear and response to questions. That not only is she not a never-trumper but she went back into the government to serve under the third. US President that she's now served under In order to advanced the president stated goal of helping to improve the relationship with Russia which she felt needed to be stabilized all the awhile countering Russia's threats to our security interests but her job was was to promote the national security United States. It wasn't too metal into into domestic politics industrially We'll see been a long day for you as well. I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you thank you Anderson next late reaction from the White House with the final testimony where it leaves the president later how one prominent Democrat on the Intelligence Committee. ABC's IT Congressman. Sean Patrick Maloney joins US ahead. The ten homeowners with a strong housing market. 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Judiciary Committee takes up the issue after the Thanksgiving recess or wanted to look at how he and the White House has been reacting to the last two weeks six of what would seem to be damaging testimony. We turn to C. N. N.'s. Jim Acosta Jim Anderson the the testimony this week certainly was a damaging even devastating at times is but the White House according to officials. I've spoken to this evening. They do not believe over here. That enough evidence has been presented at this point that will lead to the president of being convicted and removed from from office over in the Senate. Yes they believe. The president will likely be impeached in the house and that this will go over to the Senate for a trial but Anderson get this officials that we're talking over here at the White House. They actually believe a Senate trial could work to the president's favourite because presumably Republicans could start bringing in their own witnesses. There's even talk over here. At the White House of Calling Hunter Biden of the whistle blower Adam Schiff to testify and so the the Republicans sound like they're looking to create a circus of their own over in the Senate. The president weighed in this morning. Trying to cast doubt on homes as testimony on twitter. What did what did he have to say? The president tweeted earlier this morning that he's never heard of a phone call. That's not put on speakerphone. Where people could overhear it? He said he's tried it himself. And it doesn't work That sort of talking point without really a point to a David. Holmes testified earlier earlier today that he did overhear invader son talking on the phone with President that he overheard the president and Anderson as we reported last week. There were officials over here at the White House who were upset with gourds online for allowing other people in the room at that restaurant over here that conversation and so. That's really not being disputed at this point. I mean the fact that Gordon something made a phone call it to the president and not only in a restaurant but in front of other people. I mean you kind of only do that when you're kind of showing off. I assume that may have played a role in in Gordon. Suddenly not that. He's the tour person to want to do that. Certainly I understand that there are active discussions between the White House and Republicans in the Senate about Out what the impeachment trial may look like and we should point out. There are a couple of meetings over here at the White House today with a group of GOP senators apprentice. President had lunch with a group of Republican senators including Mitt Romney where he was wooing some of these senators Susan Collins the Republican senator from Maine was in that lunch with the president. He was hearing her out on issues with the lobster industry up in Maine so he's doing a lot of wooing of these Republicans right now that some of the GOP are concerned may stray if if a Senate trial takes place down. There was another separate group of Republican. Senators like Tom. Cotton John Kennedy and so on meeting with the White House counsel's office they were. We're talking about what the Senate trial might look like. As I said the Republicans are looking at perhaps calling their own witnesses and they're going as far as bringing Hunter Biden and that sort of thing Anderson isn't that trial may only take a couple of weeks to wrap up from what we're hearing at this point but the timing is fluid like everything else with impeachment. Glenn Gossip Jim. Thanks very much joining us. Our legal and political team John Dean Gergen League Henderson. Jeffrey Toobin Carson Powers and Scott Jennings Jeff. I mean. There was clearly reason that that the Democrats Save Hill for for the last. If you hadn't Helen Mirren Bad ass you put her at the end it was. I mean it just an extraordinary performance and also just as a citizen. I think you had to feel good about the public servants servants who work for the United States in anonymity throughout this you know the the foreign service officers The the people who I mean these were incredibly bunch and and that foreign service exam is hard. I hope sorry the waiter to no one but the facts are not in dispute. Here I I mean what the Democrats did over. These two weeks was to show overwhelmingly completely thoroughly that what happened here. Was the president. The United States said to his staff I have one priority with Ukraine and it has nothing to do with the national interest of the United States. It is that I want information about this. Two Thousand Sixteen fantasy about the server and I want dirt on. I don't even WanNa real investigation abide and I just want an the nouncement of investigation of Biden. There is no doubt that that happened. There is no doubt after watching this. Now what the political implications of our pizza hell out I to me certainly doesn't look like the presence getting thrown out of office but as for what happened. I don't think there's any question yet. Sunlen Ambassador Volker are still testifying thing that they didn't understand the connection between bruise MMA and Biden. I mean that seems implausible and health. Seems to think that it's implausible in has just. It doesn't seem likely so I. I don't know I don't know why they're saying that. Maybe they don't WanNa cop to what they were involved in. I guess But I but I agree I mean we you have at least five. People who've testified that the Ukrainians knew exactly what was going on by my count right so that that was one of the key arguments that was made by the Republicans. was you know there was no quid. Pro Quo because Ukrainians didn't even know anything was happening and yet we have all of these people coming up and and testifying saying in fact they were quite panicked about it You know that that that President Zelinski didn't want to be used as a pawn for example In some sort of domestic political dispute that emails were coming in from the Ukraine to the State Department or the Defense Department asking what's going on You know with the aid. I mean all of these different examples feeling hill also talking about the fact that she had to shut down a conversation and golden reporter to Bolton says go to the lawyers so we have so many examples also the fact that the Ukrainians actually work quite panicked about this And so how did the Republicans defend this. That's what I WANNA know. Well I think most of thank you by the way I think I think most of the Republicans are probably going to land. Maybe a lot. I don't know if they're going to learn where we'll her did. I don't know if you saw wheel herds speech and committee today. He expressed some concerns about what he heard. But he also said he didn't hear you know throw a president out it has to be clear and compelling and I think there's enough questions that we don't have it and so my presumption tomorrow word from this week is that that's where a lot of Republicans are GonNa land and I would just say for the Democrats. Here they've gone through with what they wanted to do. They're going to clearly. They're going to impeach the president. But you may be careful what you wish for because when this thing gets over to the Senate and they start calling witnesses you don't like and the outcome is all but certain. What is the president going to do? He's going to run around and say see here. We go again. I told you so. I'm exonerated I'm exonerated. Everyone will say well. You're not exactly exonerated. But he'll say he's exonerated. He'll say I ah cleared again and it. There's there's a potential for this politically backfiring. Which is why I think you're seeing the White House? React the way tonight. Do you see that danger for I. I don't think we know right. I mean we're at a point at this point there's more to go obviously in the Senate. I think you've heard a Republicans with this talking point all along that this is somehow somehow going to embolden the president's base of the presence basis already pretty emboldened likely embolden Democrats as well who knows what will do with immigrants INDEPENDENCE PROBABLY SPLIT THEM INTO I. Think if you're Adam Schiff a you were pushed to this point because you want to draw a line in the sand for this president and future presidents say that you can't a lien on a foreign power to meddle enough in a domestic election. I mean that is the point of this and I think if you're a Democrat you full well well no you've seen Republicans up close over these last three years they will find any excuse to back this president. Somebody like will heard who I think. Some people sees the Susan Collins of the house in some ways an expected some how he's going to break with the president he voted against this inquiry because he said that it was coming along too soon right which okay. That's an excuse as I think we don't really know what the politics you vote. Adam Schiff and I I just want to play part of his clothing closing statement this evening. 'cause he pushed back on Republican claims. That much witness testimony has been has been here. Say That would be like saying. You can't rely on the testimony of the burglar's during Watergate because it's only hearsay or you can't consider the fact that they tried to break in because they got caught they actually didn't get what they came for. So you know Kinda no harm no foul. That's absurd the difference between Then and now is not the difference between Nixon and trump. It's the difference between that Congress and this one David and Johnny. Both were were there for that. David did Republicans have more freedom to make a decision in Watergate Watergate. Room to make I think more independent vendors there was compelling as well especially when the tapes came out and made it was all over. We all knew that that time but I do think here. The Jeffrey was right. The Democrats it very good job amassing the evidence made a compelling case that the president and his and in his team and so many were involved. Did this did something very wrong. Inappropriate I also think that we had a chance to see just how how blessed we are with the quality of the people in the foreign service. Why it's all the more concerning now that the application rates for the service down by fifty percent that really? WE'RE GONNA pay a price for going through right now. Having said all that I I must tell you. I don't see a surge in the country. Tore throwing this guy out of office. I take a lot of people are going to conclude. He did something wrong. This this is a very complicated case to present on television. The Republicans blocked the star witness from coming forward the obstruction that they engage in which was massive has worked on in there under behalf. And you know it's just not a part of the country born morning. Console had a poll. We're last couple of days saying what what are. Your top priorities had ten parties. What are your top priorities for the country? The impeachment was number ten in terms of priorities. And I think that speaks volumes about where we are now. I don't know whether the Democrats can turn this around. I don't I think at this point. The chances are you're the president's going to come out of this hurt but not damage and it's GonNa definitely be up to the voters and you I mean I think you've said and correct me if I'm wrong did that this bigger than what Nixon as Adam Schiff was making the point in both the clips. You showed that what he uncovered he felt was worse than Watergate. I agree with him. I think it was in one way for its national security. It is not a domestic domestic policy issue. It's not a bungled burglary that you cover up. It's not a internal White House sponsored burglary. You're covering up There that overriding problem creates a huge difference to me But also I was frankly surprised that Nixon resigned. He did have have information to fight. He didn't know it unfortunately he didn't mind all the tapes and didn't have that information today. You can assemble a a very strong argument that he survived using this as well. I eat no one's ever asked me. We're GONNA take a quick break. Ah moorhead just Ed were GONNA ask the member of the Intelligence Committee. Sean Patrick Maloney for his thoughts now that the second week of public impeachment testimony has wrapped up. And you do you remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Hey everyone it's poppy harlow and this week's episode of boss files. A conversation with San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly. She has a remarkable story of resilience and define the dropped out of high school at fifteen years. Old were donut shop and then turned it all around to get her. Hd Day she is responsible for ramping in US and monitoring policy. It's an important conversation you find. It is fascinating and I did. Check it out. Subscribe the boss miles. Today's impeachment hearing ended. It was the most powerful testimony in what been two weeks memorable. The moment my next guests was a big part of all congressman. Sean Patrick Maloney as a Democrat on the intelligence committee thanks For being with US first of all of your takeaways from today with Funeral Hill and David Holmes what what stood out to you Two more incredibly impressive public servants. Look at Dr. He'll story you know. I mean the daughter of coal miners comes to this country. Believing in its promise says my working class accent never gotten away and look at her success and she knew right from wrong and she went reported what she saw and boy she demonstrated trated clarity and courage today and David Home. Same thing. That's a guy who understood what his duty was stepped forward and said I have the direct evidence. People Flirt. Complaining is missing and I'm gonNA come give it. And of course they come on the heels of ten Colonel Women and Ambassador Bridge and Bill Taylor hailer military heroes distinguished members of the foreign service all telling a story at risk of their own professional careers. It was an extraordinary week. And we're grateful to all of them. I I want to play something that happened yesterday. You in a question you had with embassador sunland response. You had to something. He said disturb impromptu. Let's tickle I've been very forthright and I really resent what you're trying to fair enough. You've been very forthright. This your third try to do so sir. Didn't work so well. The first time did it. We had a little declaration. Come in after you remember that an hour here third time and we got a statement from you this morning. There's a whole bunch of stuff you don't recall so all all due respect sir. We appreciate your candor but let's be really clear on what it took to get it out here. Did you practice that. Because that was that was was was that impromptu I mean that was was but and it was because he wouldn't answer a simple question. which was I think pretty obvious concern which is that? All of this was done to benefit the president personally politically and that he was trading official acts or offering to to get that personal benefit. That is the textbook definition of soliciting thing. A bribe and ambassador. Sunlen has that knowledge and I was getting a little sick of him dancing around he also a few on the hill today. Really put investor Sunland in the camp of Mulvaney Giuliani whereas Sunlen put himself in the camp of Volker and career. Foreign Service officers of well. Well we were just trying to break the logjam and advanced. US interests and we had to deal with Giuliani. Yeah I have no doubt that ambassador Sunlen sees himself as the hero hero in his own narrative. But what I can tell you is that it took a lot of other cooperation. A lot of other brave witnesses to put them in a box and to get the truth out of them and even as we sit here. You've got people like Dr Hill saying I was Burrito Memento Biden instantly so Tim Morrison by the way so that anybody with Google machine gene and and and somehow doc ambassador sunland wants us to believe that he never had any idea. An investor Volker sort of has the same argument and didn't initially understand PRISMA meant Biden. I mean I want to be clear. We are glad that both of those witnesses came forward and gave their testimony and from what I can tell we. He had reliable testimony by ambassador silent and he confirmed some critical pieces of this puzzle. So I am appreciative of that I do think there were some continuing gaps in his memory that raise some questions but other witnesses thank goodness fill. The men like David Holmes today. who heard the president's voice voice talking about did they do? Did they agree to do the investigations. Even though Sunland Continues to conveniently not remember that Kevin Kevin McCarthy told CNN tonight. He believes his an lose any Republican votes during impeachment that he's actually going to gain votes from Democrats. Do you think that's a possibility. I don't I don't know and I don't don't have a crystal ball on that. You know what I care about. I care about that that those of us in Congress try to demonstrate some of the same courage the guys like Lieutenant Colonel Kinman did did I mean the guy sat there and said tell the story about his dad leaving Russia where he would have been killed for doing this said my my dad got three of us in the military here. He believed in this country. We've all defended and fought for it and in America right matters. Well here's hoping right. And what is going to depend on is guys is like Kevin McCarthy getting getting two feet out of his partisan gain plane and trying to look at this with some perspective. I think any fair person looking at the facts faxed the evidence has to say has to say the minimum. This is very serious conduct. That is unbecoming any American President. And if you really look at it I think you would would conclude that the president was clearly endeavouring to obtain a personal political benefit trading official acts in the process. And you want to argue that. That's not up to the level level of impeachment. Well God bless Ya but it seems to me that the founders wrote bribery into the text of the constitution because light treason it involves selling out your country for personal gain and selling your honor at the expense of your country. I am sorry to tell all my friends who continue to support the president that that's what happened here and it's up to us to to see it for what it is kearns. Maloney appreciate your Tom. Thanks for getting my pleasure back now with our legal and political team David do you think the idea of losing some Democrats on this. I'm doing Kevin. McCarthy is right here I think they might lose a few. I doubt it will be very many. I did. I did think that heard Republicans again. Going back to this point Scott Jennings earlier I think he represents what you may see. More Republicans move in that direction I heard was talking to me. I started my got. He's GonNa break. And he swerved right at the last minute unstated has in the past gone farther than a lot of other Republicans he's got it's not about eighty percent rate of voting with this president. He's broken with on serious stuff surrounding immigration. He's in a district that's turning. He won't one this last election of two thousand votes. He's obviously a retiring because he probably couldn't win that seat again. But this is the classic will heard you know sort of joking with David before the show that this is kind of what he does and he's pleased people like David who think. Oh this is going to. He's going to side with the Democrats and be something other than kind of Republican falls in line with this president but again vote. He didn't think that this inquiry was a good idea. So the idea of that he would come down against this president resident knowing that he wants future in the Republican Party. I think it was always unlikely John Dean when it goes the Judiciary Committee. What actually happens opens? It's very interesting little different this time because the house itself had to undertake the investigation that is normally taken by grand jury Another our investigative body the Department of Justice. Here they justice turned it down so the house. Intel Committee undertook the Ukrainian investigation. They're bringing that in. They already have the report of the special counsel. What are they going to do with that? That's got counts of obstruction of justice in it no conspiracy. There is evidence of collusion. Are they going to merge that altogether those are decisions they have to make and see what comes out. What does the press discover new things over the next two? They can bring them right out. They can hold here instead of juries just jurisdiction so more witnesses can come in. I'm still in the judiciary so absolutely how long do you think it would. I mean I guess there's no way to know how long would be the judiciary committee. Well I think they have a goal of trying to do it before the Christmas recess. If if new evidence broke I'm sure they go over to the New Year and David then in these moves moves over to the Senate side it is a whole other kind of experience. I mean it is all the senators. They're all present all sitting there six days a week right and I. I think I think that was entering the Republicans talking to the White House today and try and coming out basically as you reported trying to limit this to two weeks. Ah You know for the for the trial. What I'm not clear how who speaks? And the of attorney the managers they make the case. How many measures managers are there and each side? There's a rule typically decides that and the speaker will decide that and probably four or five or six. Yes yeah outside counsel Talk the president can bring his counsel. I remember for example White House Counsel Charlie Rough did the closing argument for Bill Clinton which was he rarely represents the office of the president so I was surprised to see him make that argument but he made it in the context of the the office. I get there We have more breaking news coming up another. CNN exclusive schools have an FBI officials under criminal investigation connection with the two thousand sixteen campaign. We have details on. That next was gone basketball. Soi Fans as channing. frye catch me and TASR. Everyone's on our new show handles bringing you the best of social media and the best we've got you covered tune in the handles everyone's Andy an MBA at newham like everybody in Palm Beach. No no one knows how he made the happening happening. Threatening my short and pulling my body onto already naked body after the further sixteen years. I've reported on Jeffrey Epstein. The man the multi-millionaire the monster. Now go behind the story with me Vicky Hurst of CNN's new podcast. The Jeffrey Epstein I my new subscribe. Now where have you get. You'll put costs more breaking news tonight. Is CNN exclusive several some people briefed on the matter tells CNN that a former FBI official is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering documents related to the two thousand sixteen surveillance of the trump campaign advisor. The findings stems from the FBI's efforts to obtain warrants under the foreign intelligence surveillance. ACT OR FIS CNN's senior Justice Department correspondent. Evan Perez joins us with details. Evan explain what you've learned what innocent this is a former attorney at the FBI and this person was involved in helping prepare the application application that was eventually approved by the court that oversees the the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act surveillance of Carter page Who was as you remember one of the trump campaign aides who was under investigation by the FBI? It appears that during the course of preparing this work this attorney Alternate document that was used in the preparation of this of this Pfizer application. Now we don't know a lot about exactly how this was done. But this was uncovered as part of the investigation. Done by the Justice Inspector. General Michael Horowitz. I as you know that report is coming out In early December and as a result of this this is now now a criminal investigation being handled by John. Durham the prosecutor that Attorney General Bill Bar Appointed to do a more wider broader. Look at what happened in two thousand sixteen looking at the intelligence that was brought in to the the FBI. Investigation of Russian meddling. Do you have any idea right now. Of how significant significant a role the altered document or the altered part of the document played in the FBI investigation of page right to a certain extent. It's not noble double whether this Alteration would have changed whether the application was approved right. It's not you can't really undo this because if you remove it you don't know what the judge would have done but it is clear that this is actually a very important part of the investigation right and it's going to be something that certainly from a political standpoint is going to be very very important for the president and his ally but just to be clear we don't we don't know the nature of the all duration whether it's changing date or a material fact. Well the what we're told by several sources is that this it altered the meaning of the document. But we don't know Anderson whether it's so such such a substantive change that it would have meant that the application would not have improved without it. Well which is obviously the bigger story wins. The port report going and bill released the report according to Lindsey. Graham and Michael Horowitz is going to be released on on December ninth and as you know the president and his allies Anderson have been flogging the the idea of this report coming out because they believe that it's going to show that the FBI committed wrongdoing in this investigation. That essentially there was no reason. He's in for the president and his campaign to come under suspicion. So look I think it's going to be a highly politicized event whenever it happens. Remember as a mortar learn appreciative. 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"Hey guys I'm Natasha Channel. From the kind dating podcasts. Were cool guests and I breakdown one dating topic per episode and try to figure out. Why the fuck do we all have commitment issues we cover everything from how to slide in her? DM Sex addiction to friends with benefits. Here's the dope guests like Bollywood superstar. Sonny Leoni comedian. Laura Clary time person of the dear. Dr Wendy Walsh. TB writer therapist. We laugh a lot but we also get mad deep listening. Subscribe to Kinda dating on your favorite podcast APP or check us out at kind of dating dot dot COM Hello and welcome to the daily beans for a Tuesday November Twelfth Two Thousand Nineteen today left parties as he delivered the extortion message to Ukraine. A white helmets backers found dead. A judge rules on trump's state tax tax returns trump's in New York City. Boris Johnson's Russian donors. Vin Men is dismissed gates sentencing and Kupperman and how stems oppose Malvinas request to ride their coattails sales. I'm your host Augean with me today. Amanda Reader Hello there. Hello Jordan is take in the day off taking a rusty rusty day. Yeah yeah that's good yes. That is very good. I'm planning some Rusty Day's coming up here pretty soon We will still at the positive patrons who will be very happy about that I know. Hey Hey g day off they keep telling me keep yelling at me. Oh not yelling at me. You know but being concerned patrons so I I promise I'm GonNa take some time off. I haven't done that in a really long time. I'm here I you know I'm recording On my phone in Airplane bathrooms. That's how dedication I guess or just I mean you know 'cause a lot hannity. Yeah that's what it is are actually sanity because a lot of our a patron say that like we help them stay sane and we help them to stay connected. It's like a good friend is reading the news to you and And I totally appreciate that but at the same time you me doing this is also what you get out of it. So you off you guys who listen to offer me the same thing and so I I really appreciate that. So that's why I always am doing and so it'll be interesting. It'll be an interesting exercise to like. Let it go for minute. It's therapeutic for you to do it but at the same time it's it's responsible to take breaks it is care it is because it's becoming It's becoming untenable so we we need to take a little break important And then I'll be refreshed ready to go right after the impeachment guaranteed for twenty twenty so it should be great So let's see today we do. I have a lot of news Some really crazy news is actually a really pretty insane. Newsday I always imagined like motto running around like a chicken with their head cut off every time a new news story breaks and it has to be incorporated into show but I know she has a really awesome staff that that helps her do that and prepare the show for her and so do we. So yeah yeah she. I don't know when she sleeps when I know when either of you sleep does oppressive lady sometimes at night sometimes dark daylight daylight savings time for the news has gone to sleep. You can sleep. Yeah that's pretty much it and so the news doesn't sleep much these days so good coast. You'd never sleep. Oh my gosh. You're right you're on the east coast. You'd be like I can't go to sleep. There's more news I can't go to sleep in your right. It'd be like midnight stuff comes out. I think it's actually a blessing in disguise. You live on the West Coast just because when shifts over on the east coast. You're like okay. I can rest now. I have a break what we do have a lot of news to get to. So let's do it. Take notes notes all right. Let's do an impeachment update. I had a quick impeachment update. But that's not possible these days It's an impeachment update so both the House. Democrats and Kupperman lawyer have filed responses to the White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney his request to be added to copper mines lawsuit seeking guidance on how to respond to a now withdrawn congressional subpoena for Kupperman and both the House and Kupperman filed responses opposing the request by Mulvaney. Now Democrats say government's case moot because they withdrew subpoena for Kupperman and covers. Lawyer says Says Mulvaney has no claim to immunity because he waved it when he told the world. In a press conference there was a quid pro quo among other things so being by speaking publicly Cooper who is attorney is saying that Mulvaney waived his right to absolute immunity which doesn't even exist in the first place but if it were we don't need to even go into the court case for it because he spoke publicly thereby waiving that right if if it exists which does not the judge has yet to rule On this on whether Mulvaney join the lawsuit but this just in Mulvaney has filed a response to the responses to the response in the Federal Court. Saying he's no longer going to try to insert himself into the Kupperman case but will instead file his own lawsuit against the trump administration seeking guidance from federal judges to whether or not he can testify. The Whitehouse's released a statement saying this is a non adversarial lawsuit and trump and mick or still bff's but mulvaney likely is feeling very worried about becoming. Mingle turn protect his ass becoming a fall guy here so I don't understand why he doesn't just speak to shift maybe ask for immunity and tell the truth Going to court is totally unnecessary. Unnecessary and a ruling would offer them no protection if they broke the law He could easily testify and You know that he could testify that he was just doing trump's bidding And be treated much better than obstructing and being all fucking weird like is same with Bolton and Kupperman but something. That's interesting. Here is a lot of these news outlets are saying he you know he's he. He's worried that he could be the fall guy. But there's really no such thing as a fall guy. In this case. Because trump is the fall guy trump released the transcript the transcript proved that he bribed and extorted the president of Ukraine Crane. And so I don't even understand how it would be possible for anyone else to take the fall for this well especially in the case of Mulvaney you know I mean I knew he went out. uh-huh fended him but in terms of how this all went down over the last few months as far as I know Mick Mulvaney is on implicated directly in any of this other than protecting him and standing up for him. Well he did actually offer make the offers according to vitamin and Hill. Okay That the meetings were contingent on okay. So that was him. Yeah okay so many names sometimes. Sometimes I lose track but Mulvaney was supposedly and and seemingly directed by the president to do so and only Mulvaney can say whether or not he was because all everyone else who's testified said. Yeah there it was a quid pro quo. It was improper aid was withheld that's illegal And we all raised concerns but nobody is going to be able to testify right to the direct you know ask from Trump to Mulvaney or trump to Giuliani or both except for Malvina Giuliani and may be Bolton But the thing is and this is what Democrats are saying. We don't care and we don't need it because trump said it and released it releases. Transcript Emily and Mulvaney said yeah he did this on live television. So and trump himself on live television asked for for the investigation into the Biden's and the Nash China for the investigation into the Biden's. Yeah it's all out there so we don't need any to tell us it was trump's idea the only possible defense here is that Malvina Giuliani cooked. All this up and forced the president to do it which is what trump is now saying. They made me do it. Except he's not saying Mulvaney and Guiliani made him do it. He saying the media made him do it. So it's what an interesting angle to take ahead to process that. For a second while the media made him obstruct not extract struck not extort. But I I mean so. That's the only thing I can think of is. If if Mulvaney Giuliani were to say yeah we all this up. The president had nothing to do with it and we forced him to say that to Dolinsky on the call so that we could get. I don't know I don't know it's it's well during out. I also like I I was. He's hearing on the way over on NPR point someone was saying the challenge for Republicans. Right now is that. It's not just good enough to live quietly support. The president it's not or it's good enough to keep silent like he's demanding that Republicans go out and say the call was perfect and he he asked asks nothing. Sort of that is loyal enough. He has bar to do that. Mar refused he asked Well and we know that I mean this is just a common. The thing that he does is because when I think it was Sunlen told it was either Uvarov Hill. I think it was Yovani which now I think it. It was hill that in order to stay out of it in order to save your job you have to go bigger go home tweet. Nice stuff about exactly. You can't just work quietly with your head down just such bullying when it comes to Mulvaney. I'm curious what specifically do you think is the reason he's filing this cordial lawsuit this friendly lawsuit. Wh hello to you what are you. What are your beans on that? In terms of this specific cities trying to angle for illegally. I honestly think he's just trying to protect himself and and I'm not sure from what exactly Unless it's a double Cya because here's normally what happens is is you'll say. Hey Mulvaney we need you to testify Mulvaney Kevin. You'll be like I'm not comfortable with that. Because the White House told me not to testify and they go. Okay well you know we. We really want you to testify voluntarily and Mulvaney will tell you what. Send me a subpoena Pena. And then I'll I'll show up and this happened with Ms Ours young when You know we. We tried to get their trump's financial information from them. They were. We're like we're happy to hand it over but we need a subpoena to to provide us legal cover so that from trump saw trump. Can't sue US at Sarah. And trump is really litigious is right so maybe mulvaney thinks trump might sue him for violating a non-disparagement or a nondisclosure agreement or or for testifying outside of absolute immunity or something like that That's all I can think of other than maybe as just a delay tactic on behalf of the administration. Yeah either or I mean it could be a means of protecting yourself if you choose to give a testimony to the Democrats because trump wants this thing to go past Christmas us or not necessarily Christmas but he wanted to go on long enough to allow our time to release his report about his investigation into the oranges of the Russia. Investigation the probe He wants to give him time. I think what. Here's what I honestly think. I don't think bar has anything anything. He you know Berman and Horowitz. The you know the Department of Justice Inspector General and This guy who are Durham. uh-huh Durham Burnham. Durham the fucking guy. WHO's bar appointed To to look into the origins of the investigation the Muller investigation or the Russia. Investigation with the intelligence community He's he's trying to get them. You know to sort of flip on that and I think he's. He's got nothing. Because like I said Horowitz interviewed Chris Steele And and said he was credible and what he had to say was really kind of very very sort of interesting. You know What he had to say and then of course bar went to Italy? And he's like. Hey tell me about myths Tell me he's working and for us so that because then he's an asset and you know they trapped that whole popadopoulos thing was a frame up job. Yeah and Italy's like Nah he doesn't work for us and no and no so and so and then he goes to Australia. Australia's like nombreux. No that really happened Popadopoulos owed that to Downer and Mifsud. Italy says is not working for Italian hallion intelligence via the F. B. I. in the United States or the CIA and then he goes to the UK and UK's like what no our attorney general is going on a world tour to discredit our own intelligence dilligence agencies. Yeah and so and so you know that really happened in Russia attacked us. I think they're honestly trying to buy time. So that maybe bar can either find or fabricate anything release because they've been touting the release of this Not just the investigation report into the investigation in the Department of Justice into the origins the investigation but the The Inspector General Report on the origins of the Russia investigation and that was due out awhile ago. And it's still being held up and I am like the McCabe thing you know. Remember when bar was like. Oh we're going to need some more huntoon about indicting McCabe. They can't find anything and aren't able to get past the judicial protection that you know that the third branch of government offers us. And so so he thinks he's just trying to stall for time to see if he can fabricate or makeup or something up or anything they can use because when this report comes out it's going to be you won't want it's GonNa be like the Nes- memo totally I bar reminds me of Lak- like a shitty magician at children's birthday party where he's like does not distract you until still the grand finale happens. Like Noah sleeve like he's just like desperately digging around in that box for another trip to distract people with but sorry I feel bad. Magicians Magicians No. But seriously I mean I. We've talked about this a few times but I think sometimes it's like it's so you're right. It is helpful to this podcast. Bears bears repeating the things that are so abnormal. It bears repeating over and over at that. It's insane that your attorney general's flying around the world to discredit your own intelligence agencies. I mean this is completely president did it I it just and he can't. He's come up empty hail. It's all you're you're right and and I think it's I think it's it totally makes sense that this is all completely a means of destruction and distortion. Because they don't have anything he's just buying time he's paint time that's so sad And there's been a lot of things that haven't been released the the FBI Newark Field Office. Inspector General report was due out a year ago We got the one on combing Omega. We got the one on Komi instruct page and those turned out to be fine that they found that they're that If they had any bias or there was there were instances that they displayed by political. Oh by it hadn't zero impact on their work they couldn't find a way to criminally charged. Komi he didn't break the law They said it was probably not kosher. Sure of him to take those memos home of his you know his contemporaneous memos of the discussions that he had with trump that were OBSTRUC D- And he took them home he took them home and put them in his safe and then gave them to a friend of his to release to the press. So he didn't do it directly yeah And all of that was found to be not criminal. Although you you know they were like That's that's abnormal in weird. And he's like yeah. This whole fucking thing is abnormal and weird so I took proper steps that weren't illegal illegal to ensure the preservation of this evidence. Yeah I told my top five or six guys at the at the at the FBI all of now whom him don't work for the FBI anymore or have been moved to HR discredited someway. Except for I think voltage So it's just I think it's just they don't have have anything and when they don't have anything they don't WanNA release it because it's embarrassing and I think the longer they tried to push out this impeachment so that they can sort of find something and release it before the impeachment is over and that also might be why they're trying to rush rush through impeachment so fast. Yeah absolutely if I were the dams I'd be like they have nothing. Let's just take our time on this impeachment And I apologize. I haven't probably GONNA get to this shortly but do you think that once these public hearings begin. Public testimonies is going to change things It changed what things I mean just in terms of like getting the messages out there from these witnesses just out like having it be played on TV over over and over and over absolutely one hundred percent will make a difference. Yeah made a difference in Watergate. A made a difference in Whitewater. And it'll make a difference now and yeah it. It made such a difference Enduring Kosonen Times that before the public hearing started and Nixon's The the only nineteen percent of Americans were for impeachment uh-huh and we're already at fifty. Seven was GONNA move real fast I think and I think it only needs to move ten or fifteen points or so in order to get. GOP senators to start fall on like dominoes and also in the news. Today left Parnasse. His lawyer has said Rudy. Giuliani directed Parnassus to issue an ultimatum. Earlier this year to a representative of the incoming President Zilenski. So that means that this that that this is what Parnis is saying so do take what take it as you will but that before Alinsky even took the presidency in May Harness was directed by Giuliani tuition ultimatum. That Zilenski would have to announce an investigation into Biden or the. US would freeze. Aid and pence would not come to his inauguration. Now Frunze lawyer. Who just happens to be John Dowd? From the law. Firm of pardoning dangle said that Freeman woman was at that meeting and neither Biden nor pence's visit came up so now we have four quo's to the quid. We have international trade considerations. A White House meeting the release of military aid and pence's presence in those Alinsky inauguration because we remember in the reporting that trump wasn't going going to send pence no and I don't think he ended up doing out he sent Rick Perry and the three Amigos and Senator Ron Johnson. Thanks well but pens did end up meeting him in Warsaw later so and that might have been after the proper have started to agree to something like like this correct me if I'm wrong isn't Eason's Alinsky currently cooperating ex- to some extent not not really whereas it's just not that I've heard of. He's he's was mad. That that his part of the transcript was released. He doesn't want any part of it. No he wants completely out of it he he is stuck between a rock and a Hard Place Aka the United States and Russia. And he doesn't he's like fought because I have to. You know I have to fluffed the United States so I can get this aid as javelin missiles and helped to fight to fight off the Russians which is and has been the US foreign policy on Ukraine. For the last three decades the Cold War ended and And meanwhile and Bill Taylor even said this in his text messages and in his testimony his biggest fear was that trump was going to forces Alinsky to say these things yet still withhold the aid and still not sell the javelin and still not provide this lethal diesel assistant. That wouldn't be good for Putin right. Because he would be doing that for Putin. And that he said that was my quote my worst nightmare and I would quit etcetera etcetera and now there there's a feeling around the State Department that that could actually happen and that's terrifying Frankly especially for Zilenski. WHO's just like? Hey Man I'm play. Hey the piano with medic and I don't want I don't WanNa make a deal with Putin and can we just can you give us the aid and just can we just come on man. You know that the guy who plays the piano with his Dick is caught between two world powers right now. What a time to be alive? I know I know that I love it. I mean I hate it but it's it's fascinating you know what you mean sociologically right while Also over the weekend we learned that Colonel Vin men is being removed from his detail at the National Security Council in an overtly retaliatory move by the trump administration. Yes he can choose who he wants on the NFC trump can and yes this was a detail but removing him after the release of his deposition is to me blatant retaliation which is highly improper at best illegal at worst those senior White House official. And I should say this has told. CNN that Vin men remains means on the National Security Council for now and we'll likely cycle out of his position when it's his schedule time to leave and so this also can make sense because when you're detailed to a position it it's for a certain limited amount of time and then you're out. Yeah so but I mean I. I have no idea about the details of his detail. So the detail details details but It it it's a bad. Look the optics here are bad and in government. You don't remove someone from their position after they've filed a complaint be it whistle blower. EEO deposed testimony in an impeachment inquiry. Kind of a bad look to do that. You it just any scenario you just don't do that And I Mary not know a lot about that But this is again. The optics here aren't good so also Today we've got a lot of transcripts released Christmas if save it was it was Christmas in well. It's almost Christmas anyway early Christmas. So we're going to go over the transcripts right after this message. 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Welcome back as trump continues to accuse the DEM's and he did it in a tweet today of doctoring transcripts it's from closed-door depositions even though no one's disputed what's in the transcripts. They've all been reviewed by not only the people who gave the depositions but the the lawyers who represent them No one's had any issues. I think redacted no there are some reductions but you know trump trump is trying to. They're so few reductions. Actions Trump is trying to say that the our doctrine of falsifying these transcripts We have three more drop on Monday. We got the transcripts of the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper they were released and we have some highlights so cooper testified she understood. The military aid is being withheld from Ukraine until the president made public statements at the two thousand sixteen election interference. Some bereavement were being investigated. Vulgar told her in a closed-door meeting that we haven't heard of yet this is a new meeting but Volcker told her in a closed-door meeting that he was attempting to lift the hold on on the aid by having the Ukrainians deliver a public statement That they would launch the investigation sought by president trump. She also said Volcker told her. Ukraine was alarmed armed in August. That the aid was being withheld. Cooper testified that meeting on July twenty sixth The day after trump's call was Alinsky. I became aim clear to her that the whole in military aid was related to the president's concerns about corruption and that immediately deputies began to raise concerns about how this could be done in a legal fashion so she brought right up the legal stuff. 'cause she's over on the Pentagon side. Yeah these new. It wasn't right and these. Yeah it's not not just that it's illegal to withhold the aid and export this country shakedown Ukraine. But it's also illegal to withhold already appropriated funds by Congress Congress controls. The Person Congress had can already approved this to happen. Yes I feel like I forgot that detail somewhere. Along the way that it wasn't just up to trump that had already been in pre-congress yes and part of our separation of powers is the executive doesn't have control the purse. Yeah it's Congress do he can't. Yeah that's that's beyond on. That's a violation of the separation of powers clause and constitution of the United States. So quote the comments in the room At the deputies level reflected a sense that there was not an understanding understanding of how this could legally play out and that At at that meeting the deputies agreed to look into the legalities and to look at what was possible So that testimony is in direct direct conflict with volkers testimony that the idea of an exchange for public statement for the release of aid was not on the table ever and this explains why the GOP are trying to get voelker. That's why volkers on their witness list because he's a fucking liar no I was wondering why they put vulgar on there now. After reading this testimony Ramona now I know because she completely debunked Volker statement that the exchange for release of aid was not on the table We we kind of yet another. Yes and then we also got a couple of other transcripts. We got the depositions from Catherine Croft and Christopher Anderson to State Department employees. These were also released on Monday. Both have testified that the Ukrainians knew about the withholding and military aid well before trump says. They found out about it at the end of August. That's trump's assertion is that they did Ukraine no till the end of August. So there can't be a quid pro quo if they don't know It sounds like no quid pro quo. We didn't know that sounds sounds like a OJ defense and another fit she gophers you must acquit no quid pro quo of you didn't know and another interesting point from Katherine Crofts. Testimony is that she asserts in the late. Twenty Seventeen Mick Mulvaney then Oh. MB Director Office Management Budget and now acting chief of Staff Actually put on hold the ability for the US to give javelin sell javelin to Ukraine. Trump is always criticized Obama for not giving Ukraina Javelin. But now we're learning Mulvaney. Put a hold hold on them. Probably in in beans here in exchange for stopping the exchange of information between Ukraine and Muller with regards to Manafort the Black Ledger stuff. Oh aw remember the timeline we knew about in reporting from David Ignatius in what Mato went over recently on her show if mulvaney withheld the javelin twenty seventeen and Giuliani visits president. Porras Sankoh. who was the president of Ukraine at the time within a week of the MANAFORT investigations? Being dropped four of them. Poor Shaneco gets a coveted White House meeting and the Javelin are released. That's what prompted the DEM Congressman Rep Gerry Connolly to say after he came out of a deposition hearing quote. If I were an enterprising reporter I would spend a little time on the issue of Java's a javelin aveline missiles well crossed. We reported this way back in May of team but crops testimony seems to clarify that that this first instance of bribery free. Yeah happened and this is Kroft stems pro quo for Eliah yes. This was the Matt. Okada the dryer on or you could call well it quid pro quo number one or you could call it. Yeah the first bribe with Tim have to come up with movie. Titles in a world the world we're trump is still the president makeup and vomit everyday and so this is kind of sad story here. The man who played a huge supporting supporting role to the White Helmets. which is civilian? Let Emergency Response. Group in Syria was found dead inside close to his home In Istanbul. What's even more suspect is that the death came just a couple of days following the Russian Foreign Ministry accusing him of being a spy and on top of that it looks like he may have died by falling out of his balcony which which is some sick trademark of murder perpetrated usually by Putin sympathizers or Putin He was The founder and director of the May Day rescue organization that trained the White Helmets. The group has been supported by the UN for years which means that Russian views them as a terrorist linked group and that's their stance on the white helmets so again Cassatt meow found falling accidentally of course falling out of his balcony When you're at odds with Putin you your your chances of accidentally falling out of a balcony increase increase significantly? It's really it's really disturbing when you look at the number of deaths of activists under the hands of authoritarian rain regimes around the world. For some reason I think because I was watching some climate change content earlier if you guys also suffer from climate grief Tweet at me. Anyway I was thinking about recently when I believe it was A climate activist in Brazil. Who was trying to protect? The rainforests suffered a mysterious death at the hands of someone connected to Bolsonaro knows like these things happen all the time. Yeah no and it's fucking tragic and I and we have to fucking fight to hold onto the freedoms we still have here like to the nail and that's it it's proven out. It's out so many ways like we don't even understand the depths to which Russia can interfere in someone's election and sew discord and chaos and Ukraine's looking at us like Bra. You 'cause they they knew fighting this for decades and and And and so to. It's just I think I feel like we live sort of in this. You know of course in California we live in our bubble absolutely You know and maybe they have their bubble down at LSU or whatever But I think the United States as a whole is in a bubble in is protected from some of these things that go on in these dictatorial countries Where where it it just seems like only half of us or maybe even a third of us are upset that trump even pals around with verizon Kim Jong Hoon Do Tear today. These dictators The Guy that Hungary guy not hungry like food but Hungary. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah and also aired who ousted A lot of journalists and educators and BS liberal Z.. From his country when he took power. Yeah it's true. It's murderous fucking dictators. Who Will Kill Bill at their brothers? You know And I mean like their nuclear family brothers and family members because of power. You know Crown Royal intriguing intriguing traders to the crown and all that Shit and in for it just it just seems like as a whole we just either. We don't understand or we we don't care to understand it I don't mean US obviously or You guys listening. We're we're plugged in we're engaged. We're very aware of this. I just feel the country as a whole and I think that that apathy apathy and not unwillingness to to see that or being protected from it by mega corporations who just want us to keep buying things things and be happy. I think that that had a hand in Twenty sixteen election as well that apathy. But I don't think it's going to happen this time. I you know what I I have honestly like. It's funny because people say this to me sometimes like having not American family members are like is it really bad I I just have a sixth sense of hope still like there. I mean granted I know him in southern California. And I'm in a bubble and I have a lot of friends who think similarly to me and you know I do the show and but I had this sense of hope that Lake that you're gonNA steer the ship back in the right direction. Molar has said you could never convince me. That pessimism is better than optimism. Totally Or something like that paraphrasing And I do. I agree with that and I do. I have watched not personally but have read of our judicial system holding in these times of crises totally or a crisis and so so I do have hope and faith in that and I also did act. I was listening when Obama spoke And I that is the stance that I do take. Sometimes I'm let down but I was like this before I was massively into politics always trusted everyone gave everyone the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes Times I get walked on. Sometimes I get my heart broken but I'd rather be that optimist starry eyed Hayes of wonder optimism azan creator at who is hurt every now and again than to be completely cynical and You know well we're booked. Everything's fucked you know uh-huh I'm just I can't. I don't operate that way. And I'm not saying that that's a better way to operate or worse way to operate. And also the thing is you're allowed to be a relentless optimist in your life while still acknowledging all the shit that is fucked and true. That's hard for a lot of people to understand is like people are like. How can you be so optimistic about things and this is wrong and this is wrong and this is wrong? And it's like dude I I know and I also know I'm also fucking nihilist. No lives matter. We're all GonNa die and this is so insignificant on larger scale of the universe and I get that too you but like any no right here right now. Absolutely huge important. Admittedly Lake Look like layers of privilege which like protect us from certain certain things other people might be experiencing right now under the trump administration like the color of our skin. The passports that we have you know one hundred the healthcare that I have said I don I have reproductive predictive. I don't have to worry about that anymore. There's a lot of things which like how are helping us to stay optimistic throughout this time and I can imagine it's a lot harder you know if you don't have certain things of those but like I hope that by listening you guys find your colonel optimism because a lot and that's when you Lift each other up and be there for each other. I think is is important in that sense. Because you're right not everybody is is in a position to be able to be optimistic exactly but like but all we can hope. Is that by like you. You know presenting the news in such a way and keeping everyone laughing to some extent and gives you a kernel of optimism. That's for me yes I I agree and I you know I I I I see exactly what you're talking about and thank you for bringing up that point as well Let's see what else talking about privilege here former. UN Ambassador Nikki Haley You may have heard wrote a a new book and it says in it that REX Tillerson and John. Kelly basically tried to make the case to her for why resisting trump is important. Haley says quote Kellyanne. Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president they weren't being in subordinate. They were trying to save the country. Tillerson went on to tell me the reason he resisted. The president's decision was because if you didn't people would die And trump up actually endorsed this book. And that's funny because she's basically saying F Tillerson and Kelly didn't do what they did people would have died and I'm sure or in some cases they did. It's just it. It's just a really interesting sort of I. I got in some arguments today about With some trump supporters about vitamin. And they're arguing. That vitamin was in subordinate to the president should be tried for treason and put to death. And I tried to explain that you do not have to follow an unlawful unlawful order. So if Kellyanne Tillerson who are also do Schwab's don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to call anybody a hero. But if they're trying to resist the president it's it's an telling Nikki Haley help us come with us. It's not in subordination it's not it's refusing to obey a lawful order uh-huh people are GonNa die like that's how bad this is and I don't understand how the twenty fifth amendment it hasn't even come into play at but Nikki Haley says instead of saying saying that to me Kellyanne Tillerson should have been saying that to the president now asking me to join them on their side bar plan. It should have been go. Tell the president which differences are in. quit if you don't like what he's doing but to undermine undermine president is really a very dangerous thing and it goes against the constitution and it goes against why the American people goes against what the American people want and it was offensive. So she's she's basically saying saying that. America elected this president so whatever he wants to do everyone should follow blindly and that is a A. That's the dumbest thing I've ever really shitty line of thinking and also oh like to that end a lot of things throughout history have been legal. Yes you know it was legal to own a person. It was once legal like a lot of so much of what has been done throughout history against people has been has been legal at the time right like that doesn't mean Shit. Yeah I can't remember. You know who said it but patriotism is not blindly following president. It's it's it's sticking up for your country for your country. Yeah and the rights of People's human rights to give your country for the rights of people honestly Nikki Darling Nikki if you you know if that were the case if it said in the constitution you just have to say whatever. The President says there wouldn't be any checks and balances we wouldn't need. We would be AH dictator ship. We'd be a monarchy. We would be an older guy. We we wouldn't have to put in protections impeachment clauses and things to to limit the executive power and have checks and balances on it. The reason they did that is because they said there could be an asshole on here. One day that's GonNa Fuck Shit Up. I'm paraphrasing yeah. I don't think it said that directly in the federalist papers but that's why all that Shit was written in Nikki someday there will be an asshole the White House. That's what their main concern. And they're laying. Worry was impeachment. Articles were written for what trump did to Ukraine precisely bribery. High High Crimes. And misdemeanors when you are seeking you know when you're colluding with a foreign country to dig up dirt for personal gain bribery extortion. It's it's written right the fuck there and if Nikki Nikki is basically saying knob right you got to do whatever the President says because the American people elected him. So you got to do it. That's just dumb. It's funny. I wonder it's as I've seen more of trump's own appointees and trump the people that trump has hired turn against him. I have to wonder what the vetting process was quest for these people like like. How did they have the conversation about their level of loyalty to the president? How do they have the conversation about their level of approval for his agenda? Do you know what I mean. There is no vetting process Trump has even said that. I don't have a vetting process that the press does it for me He's appointed many people. Who have either? There had to turn down the job withdrawal or resigned or been investigated or my pretty much. Every single cabinet members had to leave. Because he doesn't vet anyone I'm talking I feel feeling on that but I'm talking specifically about what do you think is processes in terms of finding out. Someone's going to be behind him. Oh he asks. We have evidence from that from the loyalty he asked dinner with Komi. Komi went to the White House. And he's trying to figure out if he's going to have him be the FBI director still and he's like so you know Oh Long I have to ask you for loyalty. And and and Komi says I'll always be honest with you. That's what I want honest loyalty then and you know. Oh and so. They'll the loyalty ask. Is there so many documented times and he also has people signed nondisclosure agreements apparently Rex Tillerson didn't want the job and his wife came to take it because he was like. It's prestigious you have to take it secretary of state. But apparently he wasn't like totally Gung Ho about taking the job as trump. Neither Taylor. Yeah yeah a lot of people and there'd been a lot of people turned him down like now cool cool Bra yeah. I don't want that job. Thank you. Yeah there's a it's it's crazy to hugh the number of his high level officials who are like Oh island without on the news or I saw that in a tweet like they're not actually communicating with him. No Yeah Definitely Lina. The mind boggles. I never thought I would be on the side of REX Tillerson. Don't get me wrong. I'm not like a namrd with the former Exxon impost the ear but like it is crazy. Like it's there's a was installed by Putin rex. Yeah and he he was still like now you guys yet another level he's like even for me even for me even for me and I'm for oil executive chef. I'm a bad dude but y'all are bad dudes too much for me all right. We've got some news from across the pond. Your favorite near Hero Morris Johnson. We'll be right back listener. This helping of the daily beans is brought to you by ancestry. You ever wonder if the family lore about being Cherokee and Scottish descent is really accurate we can discover more about your family tree and learn about your true story by combining the ancestry. DNA test the the billions of historical records on ANCESTRY DOT COM. My tests told me. I'm not at all Irish. Despite having thought I was all Irish growing up but seriously ASLI ancestry. 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Welcome back big news as I said from across the pond as Amanda has explained there's an election scheduled in December and it seems to be boiling down between one of two choices the Conservative Party and a hard brexit or the Labor Party and a new referendum but Sunday is that right Yeah I if you have actually come back and said that's it doesn't talk quite as simple as that. So yeah we'll go back to that but that is essentially my understanding although some of our listeners have said it's not quite as dry as that nothing is always as simple as that But those are two of the big choices And Sunday we got reporting from business insider that Boris Johnson's Conservative Party has received donations from nine. Russian donors with with links to the Kremlin according to an official report which has been suppressed by Boris Johnson. Johnson chose to block the report amid fears. It could cause him or cost him the upcoming election but in leaked details from the report. Johnson's Conservative Party has ties to London. Based Russian oligarchs with a surge of donations from the Russians and the conservative the Conservative Party over the past year among the donors Named in this report are Alexander to Marco who worked for the Russian Defense Ministry. Lubov Chur Newgen. Who was married to Vladimir Putin a former Putin ally and Alexander Lebedev the owner of a bunch of media outlets whose son is a friend of Boris Johnson fears of previously been raised that these associations make make Boris Johnson of security risk due to the possibility he could be blackmailed by Russia? Golly that sounds familiar This is exactly what was happening with With for example Flynn and trump himself and why the counterintelligence investigation was going on in the first place is because people were worried did that because like for example because Flynn lied to the FBI and Russian knew it then they have something they can hold over his head and that's why he had to be removed from his National Security Advisor or director National Intelligence. And so that's what seems to be in of course trump himself You know he's been traveling to Russia forever and he's probably gotten loans co-signed from Russia Deutsche Bank conveniently lost those papers but You know they've got a folder on on trump to the enquirer had a folder on trump. Do you think fucking Kremlin. Didn't I honestly think you could find out something illegal about trump if you thought next amenabar for an hour really exactly so if you don't think the KGB had some shit on trump You're you're silly but that is what they think is happening with Boris Johnson. Did he is now. Compromised because of his party has accepted. Donations from Crumlin linked russian-backed oligarchs that are london-based list. And the this report hasn't been released yet Johnson still trying to suppress it but it some some some of it leaked well. I mean. Here's the thing this doesn't surprise me. Shockingly I mean the level of wealth in London is truly insane and having lived there for a long time. I can tell you that. There is a very large concentration of Russian Russian welfare and it is not going to serve their interests if if there is more leftwing government there of course at all and so it's like it is it is I mean for a lot of reasons but first and foremost the protection of these Russian Russian billionaires who are all based there and also quite frankly look at Boris Johnson. Yeah are you surprised but this is also bigger than that. Because we've been reporting on muller she he wrote. Yeah days gone by that Cambridge Analytica Alexander Knicks. Aaron Banks You know we talked Peter Jukes on this all ties to Bannon and the mercer who were funding Breitbart all this money that they dumped into brexit and for disinformation yeah you could leave the EU. Because what what does Putin want a destabilized. European Union destabilise NATO. And so that this. He's he's over. There clap ended up having a great time. Meanwhile we've got you know this and of course that's why Boris. This isn't a good look for him. I don't know how illegal it is for Y'all to accept. I mean if these are London and if these are London citizens that happened to have Kremlin ties But if they're laundering Russian money into the London elections. I don't know how illegal legal that is. It's it's really illegal here. Yeah absolutely I mean I. I haven't read this story so I don't know the specifics and I it's an there are different campaign finance laws so if you guys have perspective on that tweet at us But if I guess is it's illegal. Oh I'm sure I'm sure it is but my quite a bit. Let me be clear though. It's not illegal for like we have some. US US residents that are former Russian. Emigres than work to work for Kremlin interest that donate large sums of money to Republican pack like vessel Bergen Boulevard. Nick and they legally can donate their own money to those pacts. it's when they funnel foreign money in that. That's the problem. Tom Totally absolutely. Yeah I mean I'm sure that is completely illegal but like whether or not it's their own money for people who happen to their different story but what you're saying about this being being a long standing issue I mean I haven't there's been you know. The people who wanted trump to be elected were all right all ring. If people who wanted brexit happened and I I keep thinking back to the summary of Brexit was a practice round yet more or less. I mean the amount of disinformation. That was Frederick's it was so shocking I remember the summer of two thousand sixteen before the Brexit Rexona happened and I was actually living in London and I remember seeing Boris Johnson imposing. He did a tour of the country and he was a huge He was a huge proponent of leave which is which was quite shocking to me at the time because he had been layer of London which is an international global world city that felt very European as does too so it was shocking team that the mayor of Glennon was doing this given how globalist had previously seemed and so I wondered what had changed so quickly during a tour of the country totally had had a saying on the side of the the bus which was something that's sold a lot of people brexit which was like if we leave the EU. You know that's now going to be six hundred fifty million dollars a week that we can pump back into our healthcare system mm-hmm so it was just lie. Lie Lie I do. I remember that I remember disinformation campaign on a lot of it was orchestrated by The Conservative Party Tories the leave party which came from Cambridge Analytica and which is backed by Russian money. Bannon was involved the Santa Media Warfare. That happened over here and of course the whole Manafort Ukrainian Kovic thing was the staging the staging area for at all. That was the that was the practice round and then dress rehearsal was brexit and then Grand Finale United States. And and where do you go from there. You know those. That's the big prize. Yeah isn't it yeah. Destabilized euro-zone in de-stabilize United States is like Christmas for Putin. Sorry Mike Christmas Balkan. Yeah what else is going on today. Trump was in New York City for Veterans Day Parade. Fuck you boo him bone Spurs. Oh yeah he got chance. Whistle blowers blowers were blowing whistles. I enjoy that like. Did anyone boo him. Tell me it's good. It's good it's a nice little Sean Friday. We have a different Sean for today but it is pretty it it. It feels good ed to to feel like you're not alone. I remember when I came out with my story of being raped in the military and I felt alone and crazy and everyone made me feel like I was insane insane and then I was. You know just a crazy person. Being believed is really isolating it is and then when I saw the film and I saw a montage of women just like me and men saying the exact same things that they had said that you know they said to me when I tried to report all of the things like. Were you drunk drinking. What were you wearing? Were you in a fight with your boyfriend to do all we can file. You know. We're going to charge you with a filing a false report. Do that you lose your school. You lose your rate you lose your rank you lose your benefits. You don't get healthcare you don't get your Gi Bill and and you get dishonorable discharge and to see a whole bunch of different people. Say that exact same thing happened. I was like Oh God thank you thank you so much so when we see people booing and chanting trump and like big massive ways. It's just it's it's uplifting mentally and spiritually because we we aren't alone we don't feel crazy for being gasoline for so many years by this administration. I think that's probably that feeling Thank you so much for that. I'm not a problem sometimes. I'm like is it like sometimes my own internal compass goes. Is it wrong to be excited for someone. Getting booed food care. We're we're empathetic or sympathetic. And we're not dick heads. But when you've been gaslight for so long and somebody else is like with you and then a lot of people are with you and it's happened to those same people like Oh you know hundred percents one hundred percent different and wonderful and that is why we I love you guys so much. y'All should say But here's a weird thing. Trump Strategically placed garbage trucks around so that he couldn't hear booing and would disrupt like large amounts of people from gathering and protesting but they still did And he said some frightening shit during that Speech did you see that. The video go around is like you could shoot me. But you'd have to kill all of us and no one clapped and he went or something and then some people sort of clapped and then he stepped away from the MIC. Like yeah it's just fucking creepy. He's insane God what else is going on gates is going to be sentenced to. They've prosecutor friend. Yeah nope that's newness. Oh sorry This is gates. The prosecutors filed finally after three year to whatever it's been so long they're like all right December mid December. We're GONNA we're we're ready to go to the sentence. Rick Gates were Gates's cooperated extensively with the more investigation. I doubt he'll get Mackie's no no okay. MANAFORT's deputy. I doubt he'll get time if if he gets any. It'll be very short I because his the extensive native is cooperation he sentence popadopoulos luxury prison resort. Yes I sent you to Felicity Huffman Sorry this is so mean but I was at the grocery store earlier and you know there's like crappy tabloid magazines they have at the front like before you pay it was head Lori Loughlin the cover and it was like goes to prison for five years and it's picking like the worst possible pictures. I'm like I know this is a fucking media circus distraction bullshit but I bet you she's GonNa eating at two weeks to five years. That's what the some tabloid said. Oh she could serve up to five. She's thinking if I don't she's going for like three weeks yeah well. How long do felicity felicity governor weeks now? Ten days ten days and then probation. She had been like she had. I don't know pick up garbage whether we great driving down the four zero five C fucking felicity. Let's see half minute in an orange suit picking up garbage on the side of the road that I one hundred percent guarantee. She doesn't have to do that. Tries to get to work in a library or something but yeah to Felicity Huffman in a muench. Maybe yeah. That's that's how long totally that you know what that is what I think it'll be. It'll be twenty days. That's thirty one days. I think. Yeah I think we're gates could get a month in prison okay to Montana Mooch. Yeah that's the means So we'll find out what he's going to be sentenced to We we still don't know what's going on in the Flynn case they're trying to you know we already know they're trying to do all that crazy stuff we'll give you major updates on on Flynn and stuff when when we do more. She wrote this weekend. Next weekend. Should say so That is pretty much the new so How about a little Schadenfreude to leave you on this beautiful day? Sounds good so a federal court judge who was appointed by trump ruled against him. Today the ruling came out after another court case in which trump is trying to not release his tax returns. The judge today Monday said that trump cannot Sue New York state officials in in a case out of the District of Columbia so basically a CNN reports. He can either start up the case again in New York state or you can wait until Congress actually asked New York for them so trump is batting zero on his tax cases. Meaning he's lost every single one so this was a preemptive preemptive lawsuit okay so if you remember like last year something or maybe it was a mid this year. New York passed a law that says state tax returns can also be released to the House Ways and Means Committee New York state tax tax returns. Yes and they were doing that because the house ways and Means Committee was trying to get the tax returns from the IRS and the Treasury Department and so Steve at the Treasury Department and Dan Charles Reading and his other buddy trump's buddies who sell trump real estate are owned trump condos who work at the IRS refused to handle the stakes used from toilet paper his trump's at uh-huh dream about trump every night and They refuse to hand over his federal tax return. So New York state. Pass this law saying okay. Well we can hand over the state tax returns because they used to be able to hand him over but now they they amended to say they could hand him over to the House. The House Ways and Means Committee subpoenaed. Yeah the United States House the committee to if subpoenaed and Ricky. Neil didn't subpoena them Dick Dick Neal. Richard Neal didn't subpoena the tax returns from New York State. He's like look. I need the federal tax returns. Because I'm busy. Trying to assess whether the federal you know Presidential Tax Audit Program is functioning properly because we got an irs whistleblower complaint that said. It's not and the Treasury is trying to interfere. Somebody high up at the Treasury hundred percents Steve Mnuchin is trying to interfere with that audit process. That's on the president's tax returns and so I could ask for the state returns and be legal about it but in order to maintain an optic suv view like a legit thing of just you know I am not doing this for political reasons. I am doing it for legislative purposes. which he doesn't have to prove to get the tax returns he just wants? I don't know he's just putting that extra layer of You know proper nece in there So he's saying I need the federal tax returns and he never did it but which trump preemptively sued New York saying what was it New York Trump Cancer New York state officials else. Yeah he he. He tried to sue them to preemptively block and the judge is like no. You can't do that out of DC federal to this is New York three. How how about you wait until they subpoena them to actually file a lawsuit? So that's where we're at and he lost and this was a trump appointee many dismissed it. Like how many legal deadlines and how many like lawsuit deadlines and how much legal bullshit must. Trump's lawyers have on their Google calendar. Effect You keep track of it. How do you wake up in the morning and like know how to prioritize which of trump's legal battles to handle them too? They listen to molar. She wrote daily beans. PUTT probably My question is related to the tax returns whatever happened. I don't know if you know this didn't California. Pass a law that you had to release your tax returns to run in the primaries here. Yes we did. Pass that law and he is suing. We okay to stop us from doing. Currently that's still that's still happening. Yep but he's good hope that it doesn't he is trying to. He's trying to block it. Okay Yeah but we don't have a final ruling. There's nothing really on that case. Yeah and and when we're not far from the California primary when is that it's March Tampa Super Tuesday calculus so I wanted us. I'm going to look that up just shows so I make sure that I'm not giving out wrong information because we're going a lot earlier earlier. This time which I actually think could be powerful yet. Tuesday march third March third. That's not really honestly that far away. No Ah Shit I hope. It's impeachment quickly. Oh my God. Primaries are in March Jadu went insane few months. This is going to be. Yeah this whole year from here on out. It's it's nuts. I knew the minute that Nadler filed that gopher that Muller grand jury material under article impeachment that that from that day forward word until the election twenty twenty. I it's just GonNa be fucking nuts and insane. Shitsu anyone who needs like who's looking for for a consolidated collated Fun Loving optimistic. Also swearing news program to keep up on everything. That's going to be happening between now. And the election when Sunday We would be happy to continue to do that. I got you for you and for anyone else. WHO's looking for that kind of that kind of news because it's GonNa be a lot a lot I think we've gotten pretty good at deciding what is news that matters to to y'all and so any like minded people you can think of in coming up because it's going to be a locomotive and todd I am here to that. Gave me some perspective. I am here to be a cow catcher. I feel like the the last few months. That's the thing on the front of the locomotive. Cow catcher gently nudges cows off the track for cows. They it's better than you know than not I'm a little bit in shock because I feel like for the last few months like especially I think like I don't know time under. Trump is a whole other conversation like how time passes but ever since official impeachment inquiry was launched. It's moving so quickly and I think I've just been putting one foot in front of the other trying to keep up with the news and I knew the primaries are coming out quickly but the perspective effective how soon they they really are coming up and also looking at the impeachment like track. Trajectory is just like making my head spin. It's a lot Hooley Shit and The thing I was talking about when Nadler on behalf of the House judiciary filed the first time invoking article on impeachment powers for the grand jury materials in the Mueller investigation. That was July twenty seventh. Ya Shit that's not even four months ago. No it's been that long that's when we were in Chicago with Renato Mariotti chug out his podcast on epic. If you don't if you haven't it's amazing All right that's all I have. Do you have any final thoughts today. Actually Yeah my final thought. Give an inch realized. Oh Fuck and soon our votes are who who even knows who voting for at this point but Yeah if you you go you know Make sure you're registered to vote. Yes do that now. Yeah super important. Keep saying it but got to keep reminding you if you're like Oh you have to do that. Set a reminder in your phone For sometime this week when you have a free hour to have a cup of coffee opened up breath APP Bray the second. 'cause we have to do that so important and then find out if you're registered to vote it's usually just too a easy quick online check And there are a lot of the places that can help you do that. Also check the rules and regulations around primary voting in your state because it differs everywhere. Yes for example you know some Stump states you can't vote in the Democrat primary if you aren't registered Democrat Sometimes you can. Sometimes it's open primaries. Sometimes you know there's there's a lot of different rules and dates were in order the primaries different than the general and totally so do yourself that favor And make sure that you are good to go because voters are being purged from rolls all over the place Toyota and it's just that they will stop at nothing thing the tricks that the dirty tricks that they are willing to engage in to keep you from voting is I think it's more than a lot of people realize and so make sure. Yeah if you are able to vote and if that's a possibility for you and also I don't know I guess we don't talk about this very often. It doesn't affect the communities. We come from quite as much but like if you are so for some reason unable to vote I'm sorry and Am I hope that people around you do to do that for you. Yeah maybe talk to some of your friends who you know can vote and explain to them why it's so important That they've won't and don't don't write in a third party candidate or sit in out like you said people who would fucking like the left arm to vote and yes exactly definitely you know if you're one of those people who are able to earn unable to vote let let people know be like. Hey if I could vote I would So please don't sit this one out and please then explain them to you. Know How a binary system works and it's one or the other in this country after we after we elect after we nominate our nominee It's it's one or the other There is no third party. That's GONNA win. There is no philosophical. Go vote that's GonNa make a difference in anyone anyone's lives except how you personally feel about yourself. There's none of that's going to happen so I love that idea if you're if you're not able to vote for whatever reason there's a whole myriad of reasons so many vote yeah I I have some friends who can't vote because they were caught with marijuana yet. That's exactly I mean it's you you know. Obviously people like me who immigrants vote. But I'm not I'm talking about people who were born here you know. There's a lot of people who can't vote because powers with you care and You know I don't think that we're going to have an issue in California but you know if you're somewhere where you're gonNA swing state or a red district and you have some friends who might be you know either. Trump voters are such a die hard Democrat supported supporter of a specific Democratic candidate. That they won't vote for anyone else. They're going to sit at home if if they don't win. Tell them like hey for me do it for me would you do it for me Yeah because I can't an and the people who can't vote are generally the most disenfranchised by this administration absolutely early especially the people not just people can't vote with who the people who they make it hard for them to vote to thank you. Final thought such as registered about. I can't vote but I really like living here. So please thank you and not is the show. Please take care of yourself take care of each other ticker the planet. Take care of your mental health. I mean that I've been AG. I've been mindy reader. Names the beans. The daily beans is executive produced and directed acted by AG. And Jordan Coburn and engineered edited by Mackenzie Mozelle and starbucks industries are marketing manager. Executive assistant production and social media. Direction is Amanda Reader in Fact Checking Research by AG Jordan Coburn Amanda Reader. Our music is written and performed by. They might be giants. 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House Democrats' impeachment report hits Trump for 'multiple crimes'

The Beat with Ari Melber

44:49 min | 1 year ago

House Democrats' impeachment report hits Trump for 'multiple crimes'

"Congressional Democrats now marching towards impeachment right now releasing this new formal report that argues president trump betrayed the nation through multiple felonies. Meanwhile L. Center Schumer has basically broken his silence. And there's coming out swinging. He's putting pressure on Republicans in the Senate over the looming trump trial the house. Meanwhile still planning to hold this floor. Vote on impeachment Wednesday today. The Judiciary Committee is releasing as mentioned this exhaust of six hundred and fifty page report. Let me give you some quick key. Highlights lights they allege which has been said before the Donald trump quote committed an abuse of power. But there's some other stuff here that's new. You'll notice quote. The constitutional offense of bribery. Multiple multiple. Federal crimes betrayed the nation. All of that part of this closing argument by the Democrats now. The Senate is no longer waiting to see what happens. You have Democratic leader leader. Chuck Schumer demanding that trump's trial include the kind of firsthand witnesses that the White House has been blocking including Mick Mulvaney and of course Mr drug deal himself John. Bolton trials have witnesses. That's what trials are all about to engage Asia trial without the facts. Coming out is to engage in a cover-up the American people will rightly ask. What are you leader? McConnell title and what is President Trump hiding Democrats also reminding Republican senators of the exact oaths. They actually have to publicly. Take it to start at the trial. Something we've covered right here on the beat. It is a pledge to do quote impartial justice according to the constitution and the laws. So help me. God You could keep that oath in mind though as you listen. Listen to Republican senator. Lindsey Graham I am trying to give a pretty clear signal. I've made up my mind a year. I am clearly made up my mind. I'm not trying to hide the fact that I have disdain for the accusations in in the process so I don't need any witnesses. He doesn't need any witnesses. He doesn't even need any more information. That's the president's one of his staunchest defenders of course in the Senate and that's previewing one approach here boasting of kind of bias while basically saying let's shut this whole thing down. And that may certainly appeal to trump some some trump supporters. This is a political process process. It's been said well. The congress is going to have things that are done for political reasons but also watch what's happening that kind of approach coming out swinging before the Senate even established the entire procedure for the trial it may alienate some of the very senators trump needs as jurors. I think it would be extremely only inappropriate to put a bullet in this thing immediately when it comes over. I think we ought to hear what the house Petri managers have to say. And what will those house impeachment. The managers say well depends of course on who they are. I can tell you tonight. Speaker Pelosi is now expected to name them very soon within a matter of potentially days and some Democrats are pushing for an interesting name name former Republican House member just a mosh to be on the team who better to make an argument that this is a time for people to be open to changing aging their minds as he did but as we get ready to bring in our experts. I want to mention to you. There is something larger going on right now as you look at all this jockeying. What's going on is a fundamental under mental question between two houses of Congress? The house sits marching to impeach in the Senate that will catch that impeachment indictment and decide how to try. What do they want to do the more that you hear that well the votes are counted? And there's not going to be a big difference in whatever goes down the Senate the more you have to ask yourself. That's the case. Why are so many people like like Mr Graham who I just showed you going out of their way to try to reduce this to a sham? This is a moment in history not only for the president who stands accused of quote multiple crimes tonight in this a new report. It's also a moment for the Congress because the rules in the Senate haven't been set you can bet. There is a lot more jockeying to decide whether this is going to be a deliberate sham. Don't even try to be fair or something. More something appealing to the oath in the constitution. These people are sworn to uphold to get into into all of this. I want to bring her in right now for federal prosecutor. Paul Butler and Eleanor clift Washington correspondent for the daily beast who closely covered the Clinton impeachment. Good evening to both of you. Eleanor your your view of what we're seeing based on your knowledge of this town Washington. The way runs today and the way it's handled past impeachments if the house goes goes ahead and votes on Wednesday. That's a twenty one years almost to the day that the Clinton impeachment vote occurred in one thousand nine hundred ninety ninety eight and after the articles passed in the house in a Republican House. In that year they went to the Senate Senate where the Republican leader and the Democratic leader agreed on the format for the trial and the rules for the format were passed. I unanimously now. Bill Clinton when you compare his experience today in terms of numbers I think he lost something like thirty one. Democrats Kratz in the House that that supported impeachment and when it got to the Senate There was real suspense about whether the president was going to survive the re Republican Senate and they were not able to muster the two thirds supermajority to convict him and remove him from office They weren't even able to get a majority vote. So you had a number of Republicans supporting The president staying being in office and you had Democrats universally condemning the president's behavior but arguing that it wasn't impeachable so today we're looking at the Senate and we seem to be pretty confident that the outcome will favor President trump. I don't know that history will But the Republicans don't have that big a march and they can only afford to you to lose two Republicans on the procedural votes that set the format for this trial oil. And you now see Senator Schumer came out today and over the weekend with his letter basically Taking a page from the Republican playbook book and arguing procedure that this is a kangaroo court in the in the Senate. You have Senator Lindsey Graham as you pointed out saying I don't need need witnesses. I don't need information. I know Alan going to vote. I think it's a powerful argument. It may not work Mitch. McConnell has proved himself slavishly Davish -Ly Capable of sticking to a net his narrow interpretation of what will serve President Trump and Republican the Senate and sort of ignoring the country. Well damn he gets a fight worth having to your point The opening bid for how to do this was done in the Clinton case ace in a private setting between the senators kind of seriousness about the process that led to the unanimous agreement. As you mentioned the opening bid here was made on on Fox. News on Sean. Hannity and the Schumer's office was then saying okay. Well I guess we're GonNa do this in public. They release their letter briefly. Because then I want to bring in Paul. What does that tell you about? The different dynamics were in right now. You're addressing now to me it will it first of all. It's the introduction of Fox News which I was a you know a a minor minor pret- wasn't even it wasn't even around. You have much more bifurcated media. You have two parallel so tracks One fake news and one fact news and you have the president and the Senate majority leader basically we in cahoots along with a very powerful media outlet and the debt the Democrats they have an opportunity here If if if they can seize it to make the case to the country how this it's rare it set up it's a sham. What what trump has been saying? Now it's coming in coming to bear and let me bring in Paul Fake News. In fact news sound similar and yet so different chairman Nadler has been hammering. The president here in the closing argument. Take a look. This is a crime in progress against the constitution and against the American democracy. We cannot take the risk That the next election will be corrupted. Far Interference solicited by the president. Who which he is clearly Trying to do what do you see as important in the closing argument. Argument where Democrats are going beyond. The Constitution doesn't require crimes Regular felonies to impeach but they are actually going out of their way in the report today to say. There are multiple crimes. The report that makes the case of the president is a present danger to national security and free and fair election so it rebuts the argument that we should just wait. Wait until the election and let the voters decide whether the president should remain in office. If you read the report you see this consistent pattern of corruption. It's not just the July twenty fifth thug act by the president against the president of Ukraine. It's also during the twenty twelve campaign his openness to Russian interference to get him elected. And what do we know about last week Rudy. Giuliani was in Ukraine. Trying to help out man of the president of the United States so donald trump has not been determined by the Russian investigation and he has not been deterred by impeachment. What do you think of the strategy to call it that or the offsetting of of the arguments that the Democrats basically have a report now? That has more bad stuff in it. Then the articles of impeachment which only two things so. I think the Democrats are going about this in a very strategic way. They're keeping the American people on the ball. Aw It's about the way that the president cheated and the way that he's ignorant congress that he's not subject to any restraints and so if he's not removed from office by the Senate are liable to do anything and we have evidence to support those two main cases the evidence is is again all of his other criminality. It doesn't have to be statutory crime. It turns out that the president were he not in the head. Working the head of state could be indicted for honest services. That's a wire fraud based in telephone calls with Ukraine and also bribery. Yeah statutory as well this constitutional offenses will you lay it out. A lot of us are wondering what we're where would bribery. These other claims fit in and they're fitting in sort of the supporting architecture and if there is a trial wow with evidence presumably it could also be presented their Paul Butler on the law. Eleanor clift on the swamp. My thanks to both of you. What will the Senate do well? Ability to bring in two experts. A current member of the United States Senate Senator Richard Blumenthal who's on the critical judiciary committee and acting solicitor solicitor. General Neal Cacho who argued dozens of cases before the Supreme Court and the Obama Administration and his new book fittingly called impeach the case against Donald Trump. Good evening to both of you that evening senator. What does is a fair trial? Look like in the Senate a fair trial in the Senate is a full trial with witnesses and documents that Donald Trump has so far blocked in his attempt to cover. The American people deserve to see an ear. These documents and witnesses. They deserve a trial with the dignity. Dignity and integrity and decency that this paramount constitutional obligation and they deserve to understand the continuing threat that this president poses by failing to show any remorse or regret Clinton at least apologize again and again and again again to the nation Donald Trump says it was a perfect call and he is continuing to support and suborn in effect the threat to our national security when he empowers Giuliani to go abroad seeking to sustain these conspiracy crackpot conspiracy theories theories about the Ukrainians Russians posing the threat to this nation. One in fact Ladner Putin is continuing to attack. This country knew Cacho. Same same question. Yes I completely agree with the senator in a different way thing about it is you know why is it that the president has stonewalled Congress so that not a single. A witness can testify under his orders and not a single document and wise McConnell now signaling only have a show trial with no witnesses well two times at the Justice Department to different tours. I was there and the one thing I learned is that when a defendant does that Ari it's because they have something to hide. They're not just doing it. Willy Nilly it's because they're scared of the truth coming out and here. This president is so scared to have these I party witnesses like like John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney testify indeed I think he's afraid to testify himself and I think the Democrats should be calling Donald Trump to testify. If he's so sure as senator is a senator senator was saying that this call was perfect and beautiful. Let him say it under oath. But he's afraid to do. Well that's a great point I wanted to get into senator. Do Do you think that. DONALD TRUMP GIULIANI bill. Bar should all testify before the Senate trial we have proposed an opening lift. I in effect at beginning bid of the witnesses that the American people deserve to hear there may be others that they should call will either applicants or ourselves or the managers and I think well let me let me respectfully press you a little bit. We saw the opening list here. From I'm from your leader Senator Schumer. I know y'all WanNa work together so you're loathe to come out punching monty but you could understand this issue of this magnitude people are looking at the lists going. Where's Giuliani where's bar? They were the two people named by the president in the call to carry out this plot. which some of your colleagues have said is a reason to remove the president? Should they be heard from in a fair trial. Well let me talk to you a little bit like the prosecutor that I was for many years. Federal United States Attorney and State Attorney in general. If I were trying this case right now I could say I rest my case. You have the president's own words. which are the smoking gun? Menu have powerful corroborating witnesses dedicated public servants. who had everything to lose and nothing to gain by speaking the truth and corroborating? Uh that crime bribery. And let's be very clear as you know what the president did here was bribery. It's specified in the constitution as an impeachable chipotle crime. He asked for something of personal benefit that investigation of a political opponent in return for an official lack military assistance ordered by the United States Congress. We voted for no discretion on his part yet he held it back to a a country that was fighting for its life lives being lost so I think there's a very powerful case here and as you well know there is a danger of over trying. The case calling unnecessary witnesses. These four witnesses that have been put on our list have direct knowledge of relevant facts and and if there are others who can add they should be called as well. But it's what the American people deserve the truth. I hear you on that. I want to get neal's view on that part of your argument is as well. You don't need to Overdo it. I think to counter argument that potentially is it's twenty nine hundred and the trump era. Everyone's overdoing everything. And so the opening four four witnesses when I looked interesting but it seems like some are missing. But but you as you say you're a former prosecutor you're in this process. You know a lot more than some of us about about how these decisions get made. Neil do you want to weigh in on any of the above. Yeah so look I agree absolutely with the senator in saying that the evidence against trump is overwhelming. Can you don't need any live witness testimony you've got the partial transcript that Donald Trump has everyone Steve Kornacki here. We have heard explosive testimony from. I'm KI witnesses in the public impeachment hearings. So what's next. As the case for impeachment been made could the President Coun- Republican support in a Senate trial. And how could it affect the twenty twenty election. While every Monday Wednesday and Friday I talked to. NBC News reporters to answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment impeachment. It's an NBC News. podcast host we break down what matters what's next and what it means for our country search. Now wherever you're listening to this podcast to subscribe for free. Thanks for listening. Self revealed. And that itself establishes all the elements both criminal as well as high crimes and misdemeanors no question about it. He's right my only point is that you know that the Republicans are afraid to have live witnesses. Not because they think it's going to actually you know. Make him somehow. How innocent trump somehow innocent? That's not it. They're just afraid of him coming on TV and lying again or or of these other witnesses going and inculcating him even further and saying he did some more bad stuff None of this is strictly necessary but it does raise the question and I think every senator has to look into their heart and say you know why would why would it be that Mitch. McConnell would not want a live witness to go and testify. It can't be oh they're comp- you know worried about the process in the House of Representatives. GimMe a break. It's in the Senate at this point. The Republicans control it if they're afraid of a trial it's because good reason right and you talk about drawing inference. These are going to be busy times for people like both both of you. And we'll be eager to have you back particularly if and when the Senate trial unfold Blumenthal. Thanks so much Reagan time. Neil Cacho always good to see you and I'd like to remind viewers. You can get more from Neil on impeachment in these legal issues on our dedicated page opening arguments. THAT'S MSNBC DOT com slash opening arguments. This post will be there later tonight if you want to review it coming up my special breakdown and how facts really can change public views even on impeachment a special panel Watergate Prosecutor and Rob Reiner also later Guiliani confessing to another part of the Ukraine plot. Why that could backfire? And a special guest later tonight taking us inside the trump impeachment defense planet where we go from here. I'm Ari melber watching the beat on. MSNBC in Congress is slated to impeach president trump this week. That's that's rare. Only two presidents have been impeached third. Nixon left office during an accelerated. Probe and right. Now we're going to dig into some of the lessons from the few times America's America's hit this point and the limits of applying history to such a different world today consider how Nixon's investigation began with bipartisan support. To find the facts it did get quite partisan in the middle but ultimately it ended with the facts changing everything for Senate tonight voted seventy seven nothing to establish a select elect committed to investigate alleged political espionage in last year's election campaign. The country tonight is in the midst of what may be the most serious constitutional. Oh crisis in its history. The president has fired. The man you just saw the Special Watergate prosecutor Archibald Cox Washington has been inundated by another other massive set of Watergate transcripts the transcripts and the testimony and the evidence of mattered. Then today there are signs these things feel like they matter less so in our special breakdown. Let's take a look at why some of these old rules don't seem to always apply one of the central features of Watergate is that whoever slowly and even painfully awfully the facts ultimately moved people. Let me show you some remarkable evidence of that even across party lines. Here's an apples to apples. Look at Richard Nixon's job approval. Numbers from Gallup broken up between the two parties and the independence and you could see like most presents extended higher support among his party. Red Lower support and the blue opposing zing party and that continues from the start of his tenure in sixty nine through reelection through his second term when it was getting going seventy three with the ups and downs often match within within those political groupings. You see on your screen. Those were divided times on politics foreign policy civil rights but on key stories many people reacted to the same common facts as the bottom began to fall out of the Watergate story with facts showing Nixon firing prosecutors in that Saturday massacre hiding evidence losing Supreme Court battles ultimately getting exposed famously by the tapes proving his wrongdoing. Those developments were presented to Americans through the the wire services and the big three broadcast networks politico noting eighty five percent of American saw part of the Nixon impeachment hearings on those four TV channels now as all that happened. Look how people responded to those facts public opinion shifting regardless of party. So yes here. You're going to seek democratic support for Nixon dropping. Further from a high point of fifty percent. Sentence seventy three down to just thirteen percent but that might seem like the easiest number to move but take a look at this other similar shift among independents yes they saw the facts and turned on Nixon independent approval crashing by a whopping fifty percent. And now as we prepare this for you. I want to show you the most most striking part Nixon's own party inclined to maybe give him the benefit of the doubt dropping by a stunning forty one percent approval. Not Quite he does low as the other groups but a gigantic shift revealing that many people heard those fax and despite any partisan filtering they reacted to the facts and Watergate's often cited as an example of the system working in the cords of the Congress or journalism these number minus it was also example of the public operating round round the system working getting informed providing a check on power and a level of reassessment. That is clearly not yet occurred at this stage. In the trump scandals here you have have trump's approval rating from the inauguration to the beginning of Ukraine scandal steady across those different groups and then he say the difference in Watergate is well there were tapes in in this story. I have to remind you there are some tapes that are as incriminating Nixon's secret. White House recordings they just have better sound quality by the way likewise China just started investigation into the by. This is a quid pro. We do that all the time with foreign policy was there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call and the White House US meeting. The answer is yes the answer is yes I still works for president trump. So are those tapes. Changing Mines while support for impeachment has nudged up up but most people's views are pretty steady. Trump has uncorked more damning evidence against himself and most presidents one factor may be how everyone gets information the Gallup numbers we showed you withdrawn from a wider political article by Harvard's Lawrence lessig arguing. That many facts today are effectively. Like they're like quarantined into these smaller niches riches for information in contrast to it. Some scholars call the broadcast democracy of earlier eras with fewer narratives and more agreement on common facts so as Congress marches marches towards impeachment and. The Senate trial. Is there a way to draw these lessons. And the factual breakthroughs of perhaps a bygone era does the answer depend as much on constitutional official principles as good old fashioned storytelling. Well I got news for you. We have both these areas covered by two experts. We've convened for this special discussion legendary area. Director Rob Reiner with Mustache and Watergate Prosecutor Joe Aligned Bank. So we're back in thirty seconds and we're back with filmmaker. Rob Reiner and emmy winner. Many Times over Oscar nominated for his work on the courtroom drama a few good men and former Assistant Watergate special prosecutor. Ask you to jill wine banks a good evening to both of you Jill. I begin with you having walked through the Watergate lessons your reaction and how it applies today you got got it completely correct. It was a really good summary and good graphics It is absolutely true that what happened is as the facts came out as the Senate hearings began as the indictment came out as our roadmap came out the public opinion shifted. People were paying attention to the facts. They actually believed in the facts and they change their opinion and public opinion. Supporting Nixon dropped and and support for impeachment skyrocketed and it was well deserved and you can track the events of the Saturday night massacre. The indictment the release of the roadmap. And you will see that. The facts were influencing public opinion. And that's not happening as much here. Because you have the bubble of Fox and the social media as opposed to in the old days there were three networks NBC ABC and CBS. And they all had the same facts. There was some debate about what the facts meant. None about what the facts were and here really. Let's think about it. There's no challenge Alan Jr to the facts. The president said do us a favor. Though bats uncontested Giuliani was going overseas and trying to get a fake announcement of fake investigation. Nobody even cared if they investigated they just wanted it to look bad by having an investigation announced. I that's not contested. So it's really odd that anyone could doubt that the facts show that there are impeachable offenses equivalent equivalent to those of Watergate. And also I want to go back to McClary who was a representative from Illinois Republican. WHO said if we don't impeach for the contempt of Congress Congress there will be no constitutional balance of power? There will be no checks and balances and Congress roll over. And that's what's going to happen here if there is not some accountability for the total stonewalling. That makes Richard Nixon stonewalling. Look like nothing. This is really serious because it goes beyond beyond the criminal investigation. It goes to immigration. It goes to every other aspect where Congress should be expected to do oversight. And it's not being allowed allowed to do it. Yeah Rob Makes Richard Nixon stonewalling look like a virtual wall. Yeah I mean your reaction all the above. Well you know we are talking about you. Know people getting their information from two separate silos and being stuck in those in those silos or bubbles as as Jill points points out but I would say that even though there was an agreed upon set of facts during Nixon you also had Alexander Zander Butterfield. You had John Dean coming in front of the public. who was the White House counsel saying certain things that resonated with the public and I I submit that if you had a mick Mulvaney White House chief of staff trying to explain why they held up that military hey to the Ukraine and they have John Bolton the national security adviser former national security advisor coming on and talking about the drug deal quote unquote quote that they were trying to cook up in order to get dirt on a political it might have a greater effect on the public even with the two different different silos? So I think it's important that we do have a fair trial that we do have documents and witnesses and that the American public can see of what actually happened happened here and rob. Both things can have an element of truth. It can be a different environment of how people get their information and can be true that a thorough senate trial if it were taken seriously Could continue to move people in the same way that will part of the other point of the Watergate data that we showed as it happened over time. There was a lot of time for it to sink in Dan and yet both of you have mentioned sort of the proverbial elephant in the room no pun intended with regard to party control of news channel or Information Formation Channel. What everyone wants to call it but take a look at some of what people are hearing if they do watch Fox News about what's really been happening take a look it? It was everything we said it was and everything they said it was not the ugliest. Most corrupt attempted political coup in. US history entry won the Democrat. Party does what it does like that. It needs to be slammed down next Democrat. President of the United States must be impeach. You're dealing with people that have been and continue to be obsessed with one thing and one thing only and that is destroying growing your duly elected President Rob. You know it's if this was just best of fringe and it was just reading a small sliver of the population you say. Okay it's crackpots. It's you know it's people on the what they used to call lunatic fringe but these are mainstream of a reports that are meeting reaching forty to fifty percent more of the public and the facts are not disputable here. If you asked any one of those people that you just played do you think it's okay for a president president to Goto foreign country and help them get dirt on or potential dirt on a on a on a political rival to affect an election. That's somebody outside. America should come in and affect our election. None of them would say that was okay and none of these Republican senators or congressmen say. Say It's okay. It's okay take a look at since you're teeing it up. You didn't know we had this ready on the one hand you have folks saying well I don't want to deal with it. Let's talk about something else. Then you folks goalpost is moved senator. Graham used to call Donald Trump a quote racist Kook and he used to serve in the military. I presume with good faith. no-one's impugning impugning that he cares about these issues and yet look at where he's moved the goalposts to is it. Okay ever okay for an American president to lost a foreign leader to investigate a political rival. I think Being a peripheral or political rival is not A. You can't ever be asked questions nations. Yeah I think it's okay to talk about this kind of stuff rob and Jill. Yeah that that's not the same as asking them to talk about it. As it is to have a concerted effort like the Russians did in two thousand sixteen to try. uh-huh actually control the election or to get information out on a political opponent that would ultimately possibly sway election. That's a very different thing. They they didn't ask that question he didn't answer that question. Yeah Fair Jill. Well first of all. I think we should be careful. I've been saying say this not. There's a hash tag on twitter and I don't think we should say get dirt because there was no dirt to be gotten. There was a phony conspiracy theory and there is nothing that has been ever suggested. That was illegal on the part of Vice President Very Important House hearings. Jill spoke to as you know because because they were saying look announced investigations to create a defamatory cloud. The facts even didn't matter in the original plot exactly and I think it's important to keep that in mind that there is no there there that they were trying to do something to smear a powerful political opponent. And that's what this was about. And that it was the president was directly involved in this and he was directing this. This is not something like Watergate where Richard Nixon as far as we know to this day had nothing to do with the breaking he got involved the day after the break in and that was in obstructing the investigation of the difference and to your point and you lived it so we learned from you America as a problem if a president sees an election crime and responds responds by saying let's double down. Not let's clean it up and we were before I wrap rob I always want my guest to feel welcome and included and save chiefs. I want your blessing. Can we talk about the mustache or would you rather not. Well you know the thing. Is You like everybody else think I grew a mustache. What happened is I shaved the beard and left the mustache? And I'm I'm playing a part in in his show right now and that they didn't want me to have a beer. So you're actually I didn't know This you're actually teaching us something about Jill that I could speak about this about when we make too many inferences. I wrongly interpreted growing. You're saying you actually removed other hair revealing a mustache. Exactly the show rob. It's a show called Hollywood. Seven part series for net flicks. Orion Murphy show I play a studio head in the nineteen forties. And that's all I'll tell you well shoutout to ride Murphy. I've been making my way through the politician. It's incredible Jill. Any thoughts on any of the above. You may also recuse accuse if you prefer. I'm recusing and the facial hair. I happen to be a fan of facial hair by the way I think he has a beard and I love it. Well there you go rob. I think it looks good but I also like in the beard. So the jury's still out Rob Rider Yup go ahead. Can you can just for people who want to go out and rally alley tomorrow. The go to impeach dot org you can join a rally there's five hundred play rallies all over the country you get better at playing your your. Oh you might be able to run for President Rob. That's what we get from the candidates. Go ahead Jill and then we gotta go. I'm speaking in Evanston at the Rally for impeachment so I hope everyone in Chicago area. We'll come out to see me. Say Hi there you go with all our guests we wish you all well with all of it and thanks for being a Good Sport Rob Robin Jill Very Informative I feel like I learned something. I'm going to fit in a break when we come back. Guiliani liane admitting to a new part of Ukraine plot. You got to hear this and I I have a very special guest. That's going to go behind the scenes with us into this Washington impeachment fight when we come back welcome back. I'm joined now by Republican congressman. Mike Johnson a member under the Judiciary Committee and Chairman of the House. GOP Study Committee. Good Evening Sir. Thanks for coming on the be great to be with you happy to have you. We always liked to get into this huge which fight obviously in Congress. This vote Wednesday. Do you think any of the evidence has come out against. Donald Trump on the issues of the alleged abuse of power or alleged obstruction of Congress are concerning Does any of it concern you or do you feel he has a clean book. ehealth going into the floor vote. I really do believe he has a clean bill of Health Health Net and this is why I say this are before. He attacked my premise. Okay I sat through fourteen hours of the house. Judiciary Committee last week. as you know hundreds of hours ago on into this but what they've produced for us is as Professor Turley said he was our expert witness in house judiciary about two weeks ago. He said this is the fastest impeachment on the thinnest evidentiary record and the narrowest terrorist grounds in the history of impeachments. This has never happened in two hundred and forty three years and I don't think there's anything there to show an impeachable offense. I don't think they have direct evidence. For that reason season I think donald trump should be acquitted. Would you look at the direct evidence. They have on withholding the money and then asking for the Biden investigation. Do you think it is wrong for a president to ask for investigation of a rival like that. Yeah I heard your previous segment and a hurt. Rob Reiner your discussion. He had with him and he said if you're digging up dirt and you're trying to affect the outcome of an election coming forward. Look none of that is in. This record is just not and if anybody watched the fourteen hours of our judiciary committee hearing where we went through every jot and tittle of the evidence. That's not there. Now let's get into that specifically which I think views here from you. Sure what do you think go of the president using his powers to get Ukraine. You investigate the Biden's and announced that you don't dispute. That was his goal. No I don't but I think there are some very important facts in the record that show the full context of that and I think I don't think you can review this in isolation. What are the important? Faxes both president trump and presidents Alinsky. He said very clearly. There was no pressure exerted. The Ukraine officials didn't know military aid was being temporarily delayed. There never was an investigation that began they. Actually they did get the military aid in fact they got the missiles they needed to properly defend themselves and they got the meeting in the White House. So let's let's go through a couple of you just mentioned several things Pentagon officials and others has testified under oath. That not only did they know. They didn't get the money they were asking about. So the fairest way to put your claims at least disputed by others under oath with with regard though to the pressure. Ukraine didn't get the money they still don't have all the money. Do you think they should get all the money. That was initially withheld by the trump administration. Which I think they should get the money? That Congress appropriated for that purpose. I do think I believe that what the president was after was some security for those funds. You Know He. He's he's famous for this Wanting to protect the treasure of American taxpayers when we send our money overseas and I think everybody should want whoever the president is to guard this. Jealously we don't I want our money. Being squandered Ukraine remember was listed as the third most corrupt country in the world so Linski came in as a reformer and the president. President trump wanted to make sure that he was genuine. Regard found that Audi related to I think people have a hard time squaring that everyone knows by. Now there's this process in place to deal with checking the corruption. As you mentioned it's mandated by law and the president's own call notes have him saying he wants the Biden embarrassment probe corruption indeed and we check this. I'm curious your response when you actually look at the call. There's zero references to corruption in the entire call. And that's the White House zone evidence and then you mentioned the money. You voted against the continuing appropriations which has many issues including the Ukraine money. So I guess I give you a chance to speak to that if Ukraine to get the money honey why did you vote against them getting it in that CR well. Are you been around this town a long time. You know that these big spending bills often are Omni buses or many many buses as we call them and there's lots of things loaded onto there. You can't take one issue in isolation we vote on large spending measure. That's the four and I just in fairness that so you were for Ukraine and getting the money you against other stuff in that vote on that bill of course Ukraine has this aggressor Russia right over their shoulder and they're an ally of ours and we do need to assist them. But I like most American citizens want to know that when we send the funds over there. It's not going to be squandered by their political corruption and there's a lot of corruption going on among that. Was this very suspect situation about Brisbane. Which is a infamously corrupt corporation and Hundred Biden gets put on the board with no experience? No background in gas. And he's eighty thousand dollars a month. I mean that does raise questions in anybody. That's looking at it objectively. I think would agree with that. Well I think that that raises two questions questions. You say raises questions if this is such an important issue to the US why not have the US. Investigative is you. I think would concede it's pretty unusual to ask a foreign government to outsource outsource to do the work and then you get into the goal was apparently and again I if ambassador solid was lying I assume the president should say so and fire him. That hasn't happened. Let's look at about asser solid and others saying under oath the goal was just to announce the investigation a dirty up. The by didn't matter whether it got got done that's their testimony. Take a look. He had to announce the investigations. He didn't actually have to do them as I understood. This was a demand that presidents Alinsky personally commit on a cable. Well news channel to a specific investigation of president trump's political rival. If they're telling the truth under oath that really undercuts. That defense with the president doesn't no because as we said in our hearing over and over you can't take out of context. Either you gotta take the full Scotland as we said. And what what. He said the only indirect evidence aside from his speculation conjecture that he readily admitted was winning. Ask the president on September ninth. What do you want the president famously? Said I don't WanNA quit pro quo. Oh I don't want anything I want this Alinsky do the right thing. That is consistent with what he's always said what he's always stood for America first idea that he has the theme that he's always objected that we wanna make sure if that's true and viewers can make up their own minds because we have a big a big country. Everyone can make up their own mind but if what you're saying is true then why not bring sauna and Mulvaney Giuliani people with the knowledge to go testify in the Senate trial cleared up under oath. Look I'm not opposed to that. I think think Manchester by I'm for all of it if you're going to have a trial it's have all the witnesses. I don't think the president's afraid of that at all but but the ultimate concern is and this is is what the ultimate answer is as well. The founders warned us against a single party impeachment because they thought it would rip the country apart. They were afraid that it would divide the people. And that's what we're seeing right now. Let's be honest if we drag the trial out and everybody already assumes that the outcome is decided going in. Does that behoove the country does it. Does it behoove us to bring hundred jobs in for questioning here. What they have to say? I can't answer that but you're on record saying you disagree with the president. He should make Mulvaney available today. No I'm saying look it's ultimately up to the Senate on the length of the trial and the witnesses that they they come to. I'm saying there's no fear of that because I don't think Mister Mulvaney or anybody has anything to High Congressman Johnson. We've been inviting you on. You've come on which I appreciate. I hope you'll come back back on the beat after your debut tonight Sir. I've enjoyed it. Ari appreciate it. Thank you very much. We're gonNA find a break when we come back to. News Rudy Giuliani and a key admission. That's next rudy. Giuliani making new headlines. Right now with what would really normally be caller confession because he's admitting a key part of Ukraine plot under investigation the controversial ousting of US Ambassador Guiliani telling The New Yorker. I believed I needed Yovich. ovatch out of the way she was GonNa make investigations difficult for everybody. The ambassador of course was the standout witnessed from the impeachment hearings back November. She made it clear. She was ousted precisely because she was not going to allow the Giuliani three. Amigo plot to move ahead. Apparently everyone agreed on one thing that she would get in the way of potentially illegal plot of what now the Democrats are calling the abuse of power that justifies the impeachment of president trump as Giuliani admits. Tonight that is part of why he literally thought she had to go. When we come back? We have some more news on plans for this week's historic vote on the impeachment of the president. If it seems seems like there's a lot going on with impeachment there is and we're always to walk you through so tomorrow they'll be new action congress. This is the eve of a full House floor vote but the rules committee will meet to set the guidelines sidelines. For how that whole debate will go down. Chairman and Congressman Collins will actually be at this rules committee meeting. They'll take questions from colleagues in both parties. Any lawmaker wants to speak. You can actually get time. Which makes that pretty unpredictable? The other thing we're watching for tomorrow or in the coming days is house picking its managers and one big scuttle but tonight is the debate over whether a former Republican just mash. It help lead that charge. So we'll keep an eye on all of that. He famously left the Republican Party over his support for impeachment. I'll be back back here six. PM Eastern tomorrow. Hey everyone it's Chris. As thanks for listening now I want to invite you to talk to us here at MSNBC. We'd like to know more about you and the topics you you would be interested in hearing about as we look to launch new podcasts text. PODCAST two six six eight six six and we'll talk to you a link to a short survey again text. Text the word podcast. Two six six eight six six standard text messaging rates apply. Your input matters and we're looking forward to hearing from you.

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Impeachment Inquiry; More Transcripts Released; How Suburban Woman See The 2020 Vote

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Impeachment Inquiry; More Transcripts Released; How Suburban Woman See The 2020 Vote

"Support for Anderson Cooper. Three sixty comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans. Their team of mortgage expert is obsessed with finding a better way which means that their number one goal is to make the home buying process smoother for you get started online rocket mortgage dot com slash A. C. three sixty equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states nmlsconsumeraccess.org number. Thirty thirty finding the right pros for home. Projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions. Like how do I find a pro. Who can help? Will they do a good job. Will I get get a fair price. That's where home advisor can help from leaky. Faucets to major remodels homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even helps you get a fair price. Ice Read reviews check. Project Cost Guides and book appointments go to Homeadvisor DOT COM or download. The free homeadvisor APP to start your next project. Good evening. John Berman here in for Anderson. Tonight Mick Mulvaney in the middle right in the middle and that might be a very uncomfortable. The place to be the job of the White House. Chief of staff is to implement the president's policy in new testimony released today says it was Mick Mulvaney implementing the the policy of pressuring Ukraine for the President's own political gain new the res transcripts from two top national security aides in the White House. Now Time Mick Mulvaney Dany to a direct role in what has been called a quid pro quo others call the shakedowns. Some call the bribery at the heart of the impeachment inquiry this on the day that mulvaney subpoena and skipped his deposition on Capitol Hill. Both the on a hill and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander van men say the president's Ambassador to the EU Gordon Song told told them during a July meeting that he had spoken to Mulvaney and that there would be no meeting between the two heads of state nor military aid for Ukraine without quote investigations. Colonel said quote the whole came from the chief of Staff's Office Hill said quote. We were told that it actually came as a direction from the chief of staff office colonel and called the administration's expectations of Ukraine of Ukraine quote a deliverable in ambassador. Someone's meaning he. He said quote there was no doubt he also said this of sunlen quote he was calling for something. Calling for an investigation that didn't exist into the Biden's in Barista Hill says her superior National Security Adviser John Bolton called this quote improper arrangement also today bones lawyer in a letter to Congress made clear his his client has extensive knowledge about relevant meetings and conversations that could be important for the impeachment inquiry but that he won't testify until and unless federal the judge rules on whether he must comply with congressional subpoena here to discuss all of this is Congressman Denny. Heck a member of the intelligence committee which conducted the closed door hearings. In which next next week we'll begin the public phase of the impeachment inquiry congressman. Heck thank you very much for being with us. These transcripts in the statements from Fiona Hill in Lieutenant Colonel Vincent and do you think this brings this all closer to the president himself. I don't think there's any doubt about it for first of all John. I serve with Mick Mulvaney for several several years in the House of Representatives. I know back. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that he never would have implemented. This had it not been at the direction of the president and secondly a bit of a unique the perspective. I'm a former chief-of-staff buy-sell for Governor Booth Gardner out here in Washington State. I guarantee you know chief of staff is going to implement anything of that. Importance uh-huh without direction from their principal in this case the president of the United States. But let's be clear and let's be correct in our terminology John. He's the acting chief of staff and frankly I'm not very sure or confident. He's going to be the acting chief of staff much longer because I think what's about to happen here is that he and ambassador Sunland online and perhaps Rudy Giuliani or all about to get thrown under the bus. Okay you bring up the Washington Post reports. which does suggest that re- Giuliani Mick? Mulvaney eighty an impasse. There might be treated as fog is from some supporters of the president in your mind. You just said that doesn't hold any water. Why mm-hmm because again? It defies credibility that the president's personal lawyer a large donor who had a ready access to the president. That's what ambassador Sunland did and his acting chief of staff would be carrying out these kinds of important acts without the direction of the President United States sites. It just defies credibility. And that's even before you consider the fact that of course we have the president's own confession in the form of the memorandum of call between himself often President Zielinski in which he actually attempted shakedown. The president of Ukraine clearly explicitly in arguably having read the transcripts of what. Colonel Vincent and Fiona Hill said. Neither of them said they heard directly from Mick Mulvaney about this. They say they heard from Sunlen who heard from Mulvaney was the significance of that? So John here we are. You can either believe that all of these. The people that came forward mostly career diplomats people across federal agencies across continents. All of these people who have come forward and giving depositions positions every one of which has in every material way corroborated one another and their narrative and the set of facts that they've brought to light. You can either believe they're are not telling the truth. And Somehow conspiratorially they all got together they all contrived all of this they cross the T.'s and dotted the is. You can believe they did that. Or you can believe would which frankly I think commonsense likelier to be the case. The president's lying Mick Mulvaney receive subpoenaed to testify today. He skipped it. Obviously I'm sure you would like to hear from him directly what he has to say about it but now that he hasn't shown up. Your committee isn't going to fight it in court. Why not? We're not going to play a rope a dope. That's another delaying tactic. On their part they'd like to see this extended for months if not years. It's a tried tried and true. Play out of the presence playbook even when he was in In the private sector what he would do with the subcontractors litigated them into oblivion but secondly we you don't need it. There's a mountain of evidence against the president beginning with of course his own confession. Which again acting chief-of-staff Mick Mulvaney signed in the formative formative press conference in which he acknowledged that there was a quid pro? Cool bribery this for that and the text and The testimony of all of these people we've deposed they all point to the President John Bolton who was the national security advisor his lawyer wrote a letter to Congress today saying saying that Bolton knows many relevant things that happened it was part of many relevant meetings and if he did testify would have things to to say that would shed more light in all of this. You have any idea what he means. And I want to remind you and our viewers that he defied a subpoena to testify well. Actually we didn't issue the subpoena. John a doctor. You invited him. And he didn't again show up and he made clear that he would defy subpoena if it was issued right. And I'd like to think frankly that embassador Bolton would come forward. I think frankly wrinkly John. It's the patriotic thing to do. He's acknowledged that he has relevant information. I think his responsibility in his duty as a citizen to share it with us and with the American public and in fact I wish that he would take a page out of the book of two of the people that worked for him Colonel Denman and Dr Fiona Hill who had the courage to come Ford share with the committee. Speak Truth to power about what went on here but again we're not gonNA play rope a dope. We're not going to subject ourselves to month after month. After month of apple protracted legal battle. I do want to ask about the testimony. The depositions transcripts that have been released because you can look at this as if there are two buckets. There's one bucket which is did it happen and then the other bucket of is an impeachable. The did it happen. Bucket is overflowing at this point based on the deposition you you have this what you describe as mountain of evidence about what took place. The is an impeachable bucket. How do you intend to prove that next week when these series go public so John? That decision is really one of a matter of conscience of each of the four hundred thirty five members of the House and the hundred members of the Senate that's a question of them engaging in personal reflection and I dare say prayerful reflection about what is at stake here If you believe that the president's shaking down Ukraine threatening to withhold critical military assistance to a vulnerable ally vulnerable strategic ally in Ukraine who's trying to combat Russian aggression and let's remember that they're thirteen thousand Ukrainians who have lost their lives on their Homeland soil defending themselves against Russian aggression. If you believe the trail of of his oath of office in that abuse of power is impeachable. Then you'll get to. Yes but it's up to each of the four hundred and thirty five members to consider the fact but you're right. I mean there is a mountain of evidence and it is arguable and yet the president has not acknowledged in any way shape or form nor anyone around. I'd like for us to get to the point. Where the debate was is it or is it not impeachable but it is a fact congressman? Denny heck thanks for being with US tonight I appreciate it. Thank you for more on Mick Mulvaney vaisnys role in all this want to bring in CNN chiefly land list and former federal prosecutor Jeffrey toobin and CNN political analysts in New York Times. White House correspondent Maggie Haberman. Thank you both for being here Maggie just just based on what you know about how this White House works and what Mick Mulvaney is role is in it. Does he freelance. Would he freelance on something of this important. Want to speculate without having actual details but about this instance but what we do know is in the past. Mulvaney has not been known to go do things. Well outside of what the president is aware of. We certainly know that he we knew. Even before all this testimony that he was involved in terms of directing the freeze on the aid that he was acting on orders from the president. That's basically what we knew now. We have heard his name. Come up repeatedly in testimony and given the fact that this was going on over a period of many months these conversations. It is hard to imagine that this was all happening. You know with Mulvaney on his own and the president was unaware Mulvaney is going to be a key witness as you said did for Congress to get to before them. I don't know that that's going to happen. But he holds. The answers to a lot of this has always been Mick Mulvaney. He wants to let trump be trump. It's never let mc MC I mean Mick. Mulvaney is role in there is to implement Donald Trump's policy in wishes and wins right. That is certainly how he has described his own role. I think there might be times where he is pushing back more than he says. But there's certainly nothing that I have heard so far and might more might come out but nothing that I have heard. That suggests that he was trying to stop this or suggested at the president. This is a bad idea and remember John One of the things. We don't have an answer to still is who came up with this India to freeze the aid. Where where did this actually come from this come from Guiliani to this comfortable vinnie? Did this come from trump. I I could see trump saying you know what we send too much money doing it. That way. That's sort of what Mulvaney frankly had suggested in that White House briefing that he did. Look the president has questions all the time about sending aid to certain places so we have to say in fact you point point out the one time we have heard Mick Mulvaney talk about this extensively he more or less said yes. Yes this all happen Jeffrey. At his at his famous slash infamous press conference a couple of weeks ago. You know. I think the Democrats are making a choice here. which I don't know is necessarily the right choice? There are two witnesses uses who could really talk about what Donald Trump himself said about the relationship with Ukraine because they are the ones who saw him every day. Remember the Republican defense. Here is that all these lower level witnesses are just hearsay witnesses. Will you Mick Mulvaney. The Chief of staff and John Bolton the national security adviser and both of them have refused to testify so far their legal position is somewhat different but in fact they have said they're not going to testify absent a court order the the the as you heard from Congressman Heck. They're not going to court art. They are simply think they have enough without these two witnesses. Maybe they do maybe they don't I don't know I mean that's a big sacrifice to give up those two witnesses he says Danny Heck says we're not going to play rope a dope basically. He said that four times. I don't know if it's time it's timing. It's time this is weeks or months yes it it is. Obviously it's their mind but you could also do two things at once. I mean you you could pursue this case while you are. I mean the the Intelligence Committee Mitty hearing is is next week and probably the week after you're going to have hearings before the Judiciary Committee sometime later in December. I don't know why you give up on these witnesses without even trying to expedite a court hearing I mean maybe it is too slow. Maybe and maybe they're too risky. I mean maybe they think these witnesses will turn turn on them. I just think if you want to know the facts you you would really want to hear from and Bolton on the very day that there are a lot finger pointing the direction and Mick Mulvaney there's a story of the Washington Post was suggest that some Republicans might make Mulvaney Giuliani sunlen befall guys here. Here we talked about this morning and I've been thinking and and when I called you in the morning no when we were on television this morning and I've been thinking about it a lot since we talked about it and I do think that there is a muddying the water strategy that this White House has been very effective at using. We saw the music during the Mueller investigation. We've seen the music through all sorts of other. Controversies controversies where they're basics position. It's proven right over and over again is people aren't really paying that much attention to the voters aren't paying that much. Attention the details so if we just handle it that way it's it's okay. It's so much harder to do that here. There's the president on the in the transcript of the call with Celeski and one thing I'm really struck by. which is that Giuliani tweet? This didn't get Looked at much but Giuliani when he tweeted that he had hired a lawyer. He tweeted right before he tweeted. The name of the lawyer The lawyers ears That he was doing this at the for essentially at the direction of his client That was very specific. Wording that was not in the general interest of my client and that was leading it right back to the president so I think this is going to get more complicated than they might anticipate. Let's talk about John Bolton for a second Jeffrey because you brought him up also the National National Security Advisor this to me strange in tantalizing but strange because is tantalizing letter from Bolton's lawyer saying he's got relevant things to say. If you WANNA go have a judge say he has to testify. Why dangle that I don't understand why he's dangling that in front of Congress well you know he is is in a different legal position than the lower level White House? Aides who have testified if the executive privilege exists at all it probably probably does exist for people at the level of National Security Advisor and Chief of staff and so Charles Cooper his lawyer who is someone who's very knowledgeable eligible about these subjects. I mean he said look you know we just want a court to decide this. We don't want to be in the position of making this decision. We will abide Bide Bhai whatever the courts decide now he could simply take a risk and just go ahead and testify. But he doesn't want to do that. I it's an unusual legal strategy. So the lawyers call it Interp- leader where you basically say. I'll do whatever you want judge but I'm not I'm not following. I'm I'm not taking a position. That's where he's going but in fact the way the Democrats are proceeding. It means. He's not gonNA test. You can do all those things legally Maggie without how this letter announcing to the world. I know things that's the Porta that seems strange to me. I had the same reaction you do. I didn't I don't understand the significance from a legal perspective him doing that. I do think perhaps and again I'm guessing here but I think it puts the White House and the president on some notice reminding them that he knows a lot that he could be sharing. I think that it you know again. Go back to what we said about early on Mulvaney. It's not lost on them. All that they could become scapegoats and I suspect that they are going to make clear Why why that isn't so all right? Jeffrey stand by much more to discuss. We have president trump's reaction to this ready steady drumbeat of of testimony. That was released this week. And we're GONNA talk to an adviser to four different presidents Republican and Democratic about the role that presidents chiefs of staff play in all of this support for Anderson Cooper three sixty comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans. 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Faucets to major remodels. homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even helps you get a fair price. Read reviews check project. Cost Guides and book appointments go to Homeadvisor DOT COM or download. The free the HOMEADVISOR APP to start your next project Mick. Mulvaney the president's chief of staff under fire tonight to national security. Aides have testified. He put the whole. He put the hold on both the military aid for Ukraine and a meeting between the two heads of state their source the US ambassador to the EU. Gordon Sunland Roland. He's not just a presidential appointee though. He also gave a million dollars. Toward the president's inauguration in fact just last month on twitter the president called embassador sunlen unquote a really good man and a great American today however president trump acted like he hardly knew the Guy Norton Simon said at the beginning of September. Presume there were deployed broke. Both Daniel is telephone calls review on September. The ninth had he ever talks you prior the telephone. I hardly know the gentleman back with us. Jeffrey toobin and Maggie Haberman. It was so predictable. The this would happen and we saw this before with Paul manafort person after person Michael joyner barely barely know. When does the president start to do this this with people and what does this signify? Well look at minimum signifies that he does not want to suggest there's any proximity between the two where he would be so willing to tell someone these things and and he's trying to undermine sounds credibility which is what we saw him do with Manafort and Cohen when there were questions about what they knew and could testify to. It's never a good sign nine when that begins usually when he when he says that about somebody he rarely actually uses the phrase. I hardly know them. It's usually I've met him once. I don't know them well he he actually really set it. I don't think that bodes. Well I don't know how significant is in the grand scheme of things because what someone's done already is amend his testimony. I think he said what he's GonNa say. So but it was only after him ended his testimony that president trump used that phrase that only a bad screenwriter would use right. I mean normal. You don't use that explicitly uses it again. I think he uses visit when he is trying to suggest that the person couldn't know what they're talking about because he always looks at it as who knows him personally and that's how he describes it so one person. He is not used this with yet. Jeffrey is originally on it yet. I don't know if it's yet or ever difficult Guiliani Guiliani. Every day finds himself more central for this. We've talked about how we hire. Laura is because he said Yeah. Yeah you know. I think it's possible to overstate his personal legal liability. I you know the people say oh. It was rooting going to be prosecuted by the US Attorney's office. He used to run. And you know it's it's a very dramatic idea you know if you look at Giuliani's as behavior you can say it's unethical. You can say it's improper the number of actual possible criminal violations. He's involved in seems to me almost none I. I don't see the legal jeopardy. He is in possibly failure to register as a lobbyist for for Ukraine those cases have been rarely brought and even more rarely successfully brought. I just I I. A lot of people are very mad at Rudy. Giuliani and they WANNA see the cops after him. I'm not sure there's there's anything there that's definitely true that I think a lot of people are doing some wish casting about what could be their bite. I do think and you know this much better than I do. And we've seen this play out in the last few years when federal prosecutors sort of get under the hood of somebody's finances I it can go to different places and we saw that with Michael Cohen and we saw that with any number of people who've who've been investigated in the last few years so I don't I don't think it is is a good thing that he's for him that he's being investigated by the southern district. It may not end the way people think little bit more of what the President set the lawn. Today I'm not concerned about anything. The testimony is all been fine. It seems that nobody has any first hand. The knowledge there is no first-hand knowledge but in no case I've been heard in no case is that I have I been heard. I want to talk about next week. Take the president. Says he's not concerned at all yet. This will be historic. We have public televise impeachment hearings very often in this country and I'm wondering the White House views that heading into that look so there's a difference between the president and the White House on how they're viewing it. The White House is viewing it from sort of the the fact based practical practical we've seen hearings that had blown up on the Democrats before the Corey Lewandowski hearing didn't work out the way they wanted. Certainly the Robert Muller hearing didn't work out the way they wanted and the president is where both of those things but donald trump is is uniquely aware of that White House is the impact of television on people watching it and how they will take in the information and how a good witness can be compelling doing and I don't think he is thrilled with any of this. I don't think he's thrilled that he has to go through them in a number of people who've been in touch with him He is he. He's just sort of dreading all of this this. I think he tells himself this will be fine. He is trying to tell himself. This is just another political. Fight has to go through. But he knows the power of of televised hearings can be compelling pelling. Geoffrey you notice it was one thing he said yesterday and earlier today that you just showed that. I think you're going to hear a lot next week is I didn't talk to these as people I mean the the leadoff witness is investor. Taylor and as Taylor has acknowledged he did not have one on one conversation with with with President trump. And that. I think we'll be a major republican. Talking Point come Wednesday the Democrats in Congress our congressional team reporting on this tonight is apparently preparing and for these hearings at a level with which they haven't done before certainly more than the Muller hearings they're going to have counsel. Do the questioning here. It does seem Jeffrey. They're they're very aware of what Maggie describes describes as the TV moment that will be happening absolutely. And if you think back to I mean all the way back to Watergate you know. The Sam Ervin was the chairman of the committee. It's one of the defining moments of the nineteen seventies The one thousand nine hundred ninety eight Clinton hearings themselves weren't as dramatic. You didn't have John Dean and the or anyone equivalent but I mean this is going to be one of the things. Donald Trump's presidency is remembered for the fact that impeachment hearings took place and and these witnesses testified now. Does he get impeached. Does he get convicted. Does he get reelected. Beats the hell out of me. I don't know but this is going to be a historical moment home and this president's in one as Maggie says he's keenly aware of he knows. TV He probably watched those hearings for all we know knows what it was like. I mean he certainly watch over the Watergate hearings. I have no idea but I mean he but he's certainly watched the muller hearings. He certainly watched parts Lindau ski hearing I mean he he he will be paying attention to this right Maggie Jeffrey. Thank you very much for being with US tonight. Coming up more on the questions surrounding Mick Mulvaney and David Gergen who knows a lot about the realities inside a White House remember. uh-huh create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. That's the end of the morning dragon experiment. Are you going to play first off. I'm always sleigh at Queen's secondly yes brick and mortar five all episodes premiering Sunday November tenth. Only on adult swim as we mentioned the top of the broadcast of White House. Chief of Staff is in charge of implementing White House policy the president's policy so what are the transcripts released Lisa of testimony from to White House. Aides who point to President Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney as a focal point. They say he made a great deal of the maneuvering bring in the Ukraine affair. Few better to ask about all this David Gergen who has served in four white houses both Republican and Democrat. He is a CNN senior political analyst. Let's David thanks so much for being with us. Look generally speaking judge in your vast experience and I do mean that vast experience inside these different administrations to chiefs Lisa Staff. Freelance typically. Do they do things on their own. No no even the strongest chiefs of Staff. Don't and Mick mulvaney bovine is I think the weakest chief of staff and modern history. You know he's he's he's still acting both of his predecessors were fired. The president makes it clear on many occasions that he makes all the decisions everybody reports Dan. He doesn't really really doesn't matter. In a number vacancies occurring government because he is the government And so I think that Mick Mulvaney is in a situation where he he would never go outside his lane he would only he he would act at the Bass to the President even strong chiefs of staff go to the president with a big issue and Al.. Hey who had enormous power during the closing months of of the Nixon administration when the President essentially sort of off Keel and. Hey Guy Dolle things together. Yeah there he would still go to the president. Jim Baker. Who is I think the most successful chief of staff in modern history working for Ronald Reagan He would never go And Act independently of Reagan. He would always go to the boss. He would also explore things with other so and one more thing John and this decision Asian about holding back money was a big deal. That's why so many people like you know the the Bolton you know were in revolt against the whole Hennessy. Staff opposed this teams over the State Department opposed. The chief of staff is not GonNa make a decision absent presidential direction of such weight and and so controversial without taking it to the boss to start with and so I was thinking. Of course he he got the information Got The direction From the press. I just don't think there's any doubt that ultimately He did that and by the way if he didn't if he was rogue L. Player out there he'd be gone by so now he'd be the scapegoat about all of this. We wouldn't even be a mess all these hearing so. I'm not sure this was necessary. Or you think this was necessary to prove you. So you see this as definitive proof. Now that the president was involved was involved either directly or at least oversaw. What has has been described as a shakedown forcing the Ukrainian leader to investigate the binds in order to get a meeting or in order to get this military all signals point point to this went into the Oval Office? The president was deeply involved. There's no signal to the contrary. I will say this John Because I want to. I want to reinforce something Jeffrey. Free an argument. Jeffrey was making the Republicans cleverly. I think you have created a catch. Twenty two for the Democrats and that is they're arguing. Well the president. There's nothing in any of these people. that directly comes in the president. There's no evidence that the president ordered this and the same Republicans ineffective blocking from testifying three men who knows the truth. Who Know the full story? We've been denied and that is obviously vein. Obviously Bolton but obviously Giuliani as well and you know Democrats I think have to fight harder to get their testimony. I think Jeffrey was right. I don't understand the strategy there on about saying in well it'd be just rope it up. They ought to be raising. How so people WanNa just when when the final report comes out and the Republicans are you but you never proved it? You never proved it. They against there's only one reason we didn't have the full story and that is the key people wouldn't testify. So that's one argument here is that you don't have directly. Even though all fingers point in a certain direction the other argument that you've heard and I think you will hear again after all. This evidence is presented publicly that which has been presented behind closed. Doors is yes it happened. Yes there is the evidence of all this but it's not impeachable. I'm just wondering if you think that more evidence you have that it actually happened a certain way. If there's a point where that becomes an argument for it being impeachable. I do think that if you get the full story. It's going to have a thuggish kind of quality to at least one or two major players and it's going to reveal things about the White House. It sort of fit our darkest interpretations of what it's like like inside this team So that it's important to get a more graphic story. I thought you know one of the the Taylor testimony for example which was the most important testimony. We've heard so far. Had graphic quality to it. They really made us understand how it sort of ugly. This situation was and William Taylor will be the very first the public witness in the impeachment inquiry televised next Wednesday David Gergen. Thanks so much for being with us this evening. One last point one point. Yeah in one one of the reasons I think the Democrats. I've got to pay attention right now. Is there is some slippage in national support for an impeachment. It's it's small but it is contrary slightly above fifty percent below fifty percent. That is something I know. They are watching tonight. David Gergen thanks for being with us. Thank you John. We do have breaking breaking news Michael Bloomberg files for a twenty twenty Democratic primary. Does this mean he's definitely running on Saturday. November Ninth Jon Moxley Frizz Kenny Omega Kobe versus Chris Jericho for the ad w world world championship wrestling presents full gear by now or the our live Wednesdays on TNT alleged all the league rustling hits harder flies higher and Briggs all boundaries Christianity all wrestling a new League Wednesdays at at eight on TNT breaking news. Michael Bloomberg just filed to run in the Alabama Democratic presidential primary. The billionaire and former New York City mayor will also file for the Arkansas Democratic. Primary before Tuesday's deadline this is according to a Bloomberg spokesman who also says Bloomberg has yet to make a final decision on a run. What we do know is that Bloomberg is worried that the current Democratic candidates can't beat president trump? Here's here's what Joe Biden had to say about that today. Michael's a solid guy and let's see where it goes. I have no no problem within getting in terms of he's running because last polls I look Dan. I'm pretty far heads earlier. I spoke about the potential Bloomberg run with Democratic National Committee Chair. Tom Perez Mr Chairman. You spoke with Michael Bloomberg last night. What did you take away from that conversation? Well I told the mayor exactly what I tell every candidate or potential candidate which is we will welcome them. We will treat them fairly. We will make sure there's a level playing field and then we will leave it up to the voters to decide and I appreciate the call and we will do exactly that if in when he enters the race. Now I know what your job to say. You treat him exactly like any other and that everything's kun-bae in the Democratic field but his political adviser said the reason he's considering getting in is because he's concerned that the courage field is not positioned to beat Donald Trump. What do you make of that statement? I think there's many people feel that we have a really strong field and whoever emerges merges our nominee is going to beat Donald Trump. I have absolute confidence in that. And the reason I have absolute confidence in that because everybody running for president it believes is that if you have a pre existing condition you should be able to keep your healthcare and and that we should be Taking out in the pharmaceutical industry. And that you know we should be fighting to make make sure that people have access to the American dream not just those in the one percent and and so the unity of values we have as a Democratic Party. What what they they have in common with? The American people is that we're fighting for the issues that people care about. And that's why we won at scale this past Tuesday in Kentucky Virginia and elsewhere. It's why we won in twenty eighteen and twenty seventeen for that matter because I think the American people are on our side and I think our nominee whoever here she is is is GonNa win but if the premise of Michael Bloomberg candidacy is that the field as it currently stands is not positioned to be Donald Trump. You do not agree with that statement. I don't agree with that statement. I think we have a great field. I if other people decide they WANNA get in. I welcome them and we will continue to welcome them. I am absolutely confident at that Whoever emerges our nominee is going to win the race? And that's because of all the things I just said People want a leader. They can trust they. I want to restore honor to the Oval Office and they WANNA leader. That's GONNA fight for them not for themselves. There's been a lot of candidates running for an awfully long time spending an awful lot of time in states like I. I wouldn't Hampshire meeting voters. What are the challenges that someone getting in now would face? Well you have to introduce yourself to voters and you don't have a lot of time to do it and in so many of the states. It's not just trying to get on television. It's really getting to know people and so There's not that many days there's less than then One hundred days till Iowa and a month after I was Super Tuesday so this election cycle is going to be honest very soon Candidates know that. And that's why they are in overdrive. Do you think selling yourself to the Democratic primary electorate as a billionaire. What are the challenges there? Well those are the challenges that the mayor understands and we'll confront and I think Americans are going to judge the candidates on the content content and quality of their ideas their vision for America whether they will fight for them whether they will fight to restore honor to the Oval Office. Whether they're going to make sure we have access to healthcare whether we truly address. Climate Change Catastrophe whether we truly take action to reduce gun violence and whether we make sure that our leaders are looking out for everyday Americans not for people like Donald Trump. The way you have the primary debates set up is that there is a donor threshold. You have to receive donations for a certain number of people in the country to get into the debate stage of Mike Bloomberg Sell Funds. If he he doesn't bother raising money 'cause need to from two or three hundred thousand people to get individual donations. How would he get on the debate? Stage well those are rules those are. Oh the rules we set and We didn't make any exceptions to those rules. And I don't have any intention for the November and December debates. We've we haven't set the rules passed December. But we've articulated the rules up to and including December and they include grassroots fundraising threshold and every candidate. We'll have to meet that Mister style came in late in in Later in the process I wouldn't say it's late But later in the process than others and he understood the rules and he has complied. And I'm sure you're the mayor. Should he want to get on the debate stage. We'll understand those rules and do the same. So even if he's at ten percent of the polls across the board he's not going the debate into December unless he meets that threshold. That's correct right MR chairman. Tom Perez thanks for being with us today. Have a good day still ahead for rush three sixties Randi Kaye talks to a group suburban women to get their take on the twenty twenty race potential key voting bloc and what they said could be a worry to the trump obtain can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain access to every game being played across the Association Asian every night with all new ways to watch through the NBA APP visit Mba dot com or the NBA APP. To get started today a busy night. Let's check in with Chris to see what he's working on for Cuomo. Primetime the top of the hour. Sir J B mom man so we have Farid Zaccaria on tonight. Obviously obviously one of the items of intrigue here with Farid that this interview with the Ukrainian president was supposed to be to announce the investigations into the Biden's and others Obviously he didn't know what plot was afoot but has he ever seen anything like it before. And what can help us understand about why. This leverage was so powerful with Ukraine. Right we have anthony SCARAMUCCI here and we have Tom Steyer here to talk about Bloomberg and the new anonymous book. Yeah he's got a Billion Dollars Bloomberg Scott about fifty. Thank you so much recipe with us. See in a few minutes. So did those democratic victories in Tuesday's election mean president trump support the suburbs is eroding. Just ahead we'll speak to some voters to Kentucky to get their take on the twenty twenty raise. Some Republicans are acknowledging democratic again in the suburbs. During Tuesday's elections could mean trouble for president trump and twenty twenty. There is of course argument that the apparent Democratic victory in the Kentucky Governor's race was just a one in time result due to a largely unpopular candidate. So we sent three sixties Randi Kaye. There to speak with a group of women voters who consider themselves independent minded to register registered Republicans to registered Democrats in three registered independence. Here's Randi's report. I think that people are probably feel lean clean. You know kind of fed up seven independent women looking for a change in leadership from Kentucky to Washington DC. How many of you are considering acidity? Just raise your hands. How many of you are considering? Possibly voting for Donald Trump won all but one in the group are turned off by trump. Saying he's too much like their current governor. Republican Matt Bevin who according to the Kentucky Secretary of State was just voted out of office and to this group the same things that turn them off from Bevan are what turn them off from President trump to and as you listen to them. Remember this is Kentucky where the grass is blue but the politics are decidedly read. I'm getting a sense when talking about Bevin almost it almost gives me a sense of trump fatigue from you is is that is absolutely. You feel like you're you're twenty. Twenty vote will mirror your vote here. for a Democrat and do and and it won't just be at the top of the ticket. Ah It's going to be up and down the line. It's going to happen across the board. Even in very local elections would not say I would not vote for him. It really it depends. I don't want to vote for him but it will depend on what the Democrats offer up. Who Do you like on the democratic side? I just I'd need someone to be more moderate. I need I need them to to. I Dunno use some commonsense and not be so extreme. I think that's what we saw in the governor race that in Mare's trump and Andy Bashir is a moderate Democrat that a lot of people on both sides can get behind. Why are you still considering voting for trump because I his values on much more with mind than any of the Democratic candidates and so it sounds like you're planning to vote the same way you voted did in the St race here for Governor? Yes Republican. Yes Sarah what else are you looking for in a candidate in twenty twenty and what. Where's your head? I think. Warren warn is probably my the one that I find the most reliable. I like plans. I want my politician to have plans and I want someone one who who is truly knows what they're doing who is level headed. You know I'm tired of angry. Men Yelling at us on TV every day. Think anger was the biggest emotion this election. I mean I'm tired of less thirty. I'm tired of angry leadership. Why do you think suburban suburban women helped propel Bashir to what appears to be a victory. I think that what we're seeing more about suburban women truly want to have their own invoice. We're seeing now like more people want to stand up for themselves. I think it was an issue of personality. More than politics with Governor Bevin. He just offended ended so many people and he attacked so many people. It was hard to vote for him after some of the things he had done. You're young woman first. Time presidential voter. How how important is that to you? I looked for unity in our politics. I think both

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All in one episode Zet make this the greatest episode of what we're drinking ever. I don't know I'll leave that up to you but I can tell you in the words of a famous poet. This episode is All rat our our uh-huh Hello and welcome to the daily beans for Tuesday November Twelfth Two Thousand Nineteen today left left parties as he delivered the extortion message to Ukraine. A White Helmets. Backer is found dead. A judge rules on trump state tax returns trump's in New York City. Boris is Johnson's Russian donors vim is dismissed gates sentencing and Kupperman. How stems oppose Mulvaney is request to ride their coattails? I'm your host Jian with me. Today is Amanda reader reader. Hello there hello. Jordan is taking the day off taking a rest day. Yeah yeah that's good. Ah Yes that is very good. I'm planning some Rusty Day's coming up here pretty soon We will still at the positive life into will be very happy about that I know. Hey Hey g day off keep telling me keep yelling at me Not Yelling at me you know but being concerned patrons so I promise I'm GonNa take some time off. I haven't done that in a really long time. I'm here you know I'm recording On my phone in airplane bathrooms. That's how indication I I guess or just I mean you know 'cause a lot hannity yeah that's what is our actually sanity because a lot of our patrons say that like we help them stay sane and we hope to stay connected. It's like a good friend is reading the news to you and And why I totally appreciate that but at the same time you me doing this is also so what you get out of it. So you off you guys who listen. Offer me the same thing and so I really appreciate that. So that's why I always. I'm doing it and so it'll be interesting. It'll be an interesting exercise to let it go for a minute. It's therapeutic for you to do it but at the same time it's responsible to take breaks it it is it is because it's becoming It's becoming untenable so you need to take a little bit of break important Jordan And then I'll be refreshed ready to go right after the impeachment Garrett after twenty twenty so it should be great So let's see today. We do have a lot of news. some really a crazy news is actually a really pretty insane. Newsday I always imagined like motto like running around like a chicken with your head cut off of every time a new story breaks and it has to be incorporated into your show. I know she has a really awesome staff that that the helps her do that and prepare the show for her and so do we. So yeah yeah she. I don't know when when she sleeps when I know when either of YOU SLEEP DASA impressive lady sometimes at night sometimes when it's dark daylight savings time thin. The news has gone to sleep. You can sleep. Yeah that's pretty much it and so the news doesn't sleep much these days so good thing you're not on the coast you'd never sleep. Oh my gosh you're right here on the east coast you'd be like I can't go to sleep. There's more news I can't go to sleep in your right. It'd be midnight stuff comes. I think it's actually a blessing in disguise. You live on the west coast because when shits over on the east coast. You're like okay. I can rest now I have a break. We do have a lot of news to get. Let's do it. Let's hit the high notes notes. All right let's do an impeachment update. I had a quick impeachment update. But that's not possible these days It's an impeachment update so so both the house. Democrats and Kupperman lawyer have filed responses to the White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney request to be added to copper mines lawsuit seeking guidance on how to respond to a now withdrawn congressional subpoena for Kupperman and both the House and Kupperman filed responses opposing the request by Mulvaney the House Democrats say Cummins Cases Moot because they withdrew subpoena for Kupperman and governments lawyer says says Mulvaney has no claim to immunity. It ain't because he waved it when he told the world. In a press conference there was a quid pro quo among other things. So being by speaking publicly Cooper who is governments attorney a saying that Mulvaney waived his right to absolute immunity which doesn't even exist in the first place but if it were we don't need to even go into the court case for it because he spoke publicly thereby waiving that right if if it exists which it does not. The judge has yet to rule On this on whether Mulvaney join the lawsuit suit. This just in Malvinas filed a response to the responses to the response in the Federal Court. Saying he's no longer going to try to insert himself into the Kupperman case but will instead filed his own lawsuit against the trump administration seeking guidance from federal judges to whether or not he can testify. The White House has released a statement saying this is a non adversary lawsuit and trump and mick or still. BFF's but mulvaney likely is feeling very worried about becoming Senate protect US becoming a fall guy here. Sure so I don't understand why he doesn't just speak to shift maybe ask for immunity and tell the truth Going to court is totally unnecessary and a ruling would offer them no protection. They broke the law. He could easily testify and You know that he could testify that he was just doing. Trump's bidding and be treated much better than obstructing and being all fucking weird like is same with bulletin Kupperman. But something. That's interesting here is a lot of these news. Outlets are saying he you know he he. He's worried that he could be the fall guy. But there's really no such thing thing is a fall guy in this case because trump is the fall. Guy Trump release the transcript. The transcript proved that he bribed and extorted the president of Ukraine. And so I don't even understand Dan how it would be possible for anyone else to take the fall for this well especially in case of Mulvaney you know I mean I know he went out and defended him but in terms of how this all went down over the last few months as far as I know Mick Mulvaney is on implicated directly in any of this other than protecting him in standing for him. Well he did actually offer make the offers. I according to vitamin and Hill okay That the meetings were contingent on okay. So that was him. Yeah okay so name. Sometimes I lose track but Mulvaney was supposedly and and seemingly directed by the president to do so and only Mulvaney can say whether or not he was because all everyone else who's testified said. Yeah there was a quid pro quo. It was improper aide was withheld that's illegal And we all raised concerns But nobody is going to be able to testify to the direct you know ask ask from Trump to Mulvaney or trump to Giuliani or both except for Malvina Giuliani and may be Bolton But but the thing is and this is what Democrats are saying. And we don't care and we don't need it because trump said it and released it releases own transcript generally and Mulvaney said Yeah. He did this on live television. So and and trump himself on live television asked for for the investigation into the Biden's and then ask China for the investigation into the Biden's. Yeah it's all out there so we don't need mulvaney any to tell us it was trump's idea the only possible defense here is that Mulvaney Giuliani cooked. All this up and forced the president to do it which is what trump is now saying. They made me do it. Except he's not saying Mulvaney. Giuliani made him do it. He saying the media made him do it. So it's an interesting angle to take a head to process that. For a second the media made him obstruct not they extract obstruct not extort. But I mean so. That's the only thing I can think of is. If if if Mulvaney Giuliani were to say yeah we cooked all this up. The president had nothing to do with it and we forced him to say that does Alinsky on the call so that we could get. I don't know I don't know it's it's wilder now I also like I was hearing on the way over on. NPR on point someone was saying the challenge for Republicans. Right now is that. It's not just good enough to like quietly support. The president it's not or it's not just good enough to keep silent like he's demanding that Republicans go out and say the call was perfect and he he asked nothing sort of that is loyal enough. He asked Barr Bar to do that. More refused. He asked Well and we know that I mean this is just a common thing that he does as you because when I think it was Sunlen told it was either you von Aventure Hill. I think it was yovany rich. No I think it was hill that in order to save nope we Ivanovich in order to save your job you have to go. Bigger go home tweets. Nice stuff about exactly. You can't just work quietly with your head down just such bullying when it comes to Mulvaney. I'm curious what specifically do you think is the reason he's filing this cordial lawsuit. This friendly Lachey do you. What do you like? What are your Rabin's on that in terms of this specific cities training angle illegally? I honestly think he's just trying to protect himself and I'm not sure from what exactly in less it's a double. Cya because here's normally what happens is you'll say hey we need you to testify. Mulvaney will be like. I'm not comfortable with that. Because the White House told me not to testify and they go. Okay well you know we. We really want you to testify voluntarily. Tell you what send me a subpoena. And then I'll I'll show up and this happened with ours win you know. We tried to get their trump's financial information from them. They were like we're happy to hand it over but we need a subpoena to to provide us legal cover so that trumps trump can't sue US et Cetera and trump is really GIS right so maybe mulvaney things trump might might sue him for violating a non-disparagement or a nondisclosure agreement or or for testifying outside of absolute immunity unity or something like that. That's all I can think of other than maybe as just a delay tactic on behalf of the administration either or I mean it could be means of protecting herself if he does choose to give testimony to the Democrats because trump wants this thing to go past Christmas or not necessarily Christmas but he wants it to go go on long enough to allow bar time to release his report about his investigation into the oranges of the Russia. Investigation and the molar solar probe He wants to give him time. I think here's what I honestly think. Bar has anything he you know because MM Berman and Horowitz the the Department of Justice Inspector General and This guy who are. Durham Durham Burnham. Durham the fucking Guy Bar appointed To to look into the origins of the investigation the investigation or the Russia investigation with the intelligence community very He's he's trying to get them. You know to sort of flip on that. And I think he's got nothing. because like I said Horowitz. What's interviewed Chris Steele And and said he was credible and what he had to say was really kind of very sort of outs. Interesting interesting you know. Oh What he had to say And then of course bar went to Italy and he's like hey tell me about myths Tell me he's working for you so that. Because then he's an asset and you you know they trapped with that whole populist thing was a frame of job and Italy's like Nah he doesn't work for us and no and no and so and then he goes to Australia and Australia's is like Nabo. No that really happened. Popadopoulos said that to Downer and Masud Italy says is not working for Italian intelligence via the FBI in the United United States or the CIA. And then he goes to the UK and UK's like what no our attorney general is going on a world tour to discredit our own intelligence agencies. Yeah and so. And so easy KS. He's like no doubt really happened in Russia attacked us. I think honestly trying to buy time. So that maybe bar Bar can either find or fabricate anything which released because they've been touting the release of this not just the investigation report important the investigation in the Department of Justice into the origins of the investigation but the The Inspector General Report on the origins of the Russia investigation and that was due out a a while ago. And it's still being held up and I and like the McCabe thing you know member when bar was like. Oh we're going to need some more time to say about indicting the Cape. They can't find anything and aren't able to get past the judicial protection that you know that the third branch government offers us. And so I think he's just trying to stall for time to see if he can fabricate or makeup or something up or anything that they can use because when this report comes out it's going to be won't want it's going to be like the Nunez memo. Oh totally Abbar reminds me of like a like a shitty magician at a children's birthday party where he's like does not distract you until the grand finale happens lake nokomis leave leave like he's just like desperately digging around in that box for another trick to distract people with but sorry I feel bad. Magicians No but seriously I mean I. We've talked about this a few times but I think sometimes it's like it's so you're right. It is helpful to this. podcast bears repeating the things that are so abnormal. It bears repeating over and over at that. It's insane that your attorney general's flying around the world to discredit your own intelligence agencies. Mrs Completely unprecedented good. Yeah I I it just and he can't. He's come up Empty Hal. It's all you're right and I think it's I think it's it totally only makes sense if this is all completely means of destruction and distortion. Because they don't have anything he's just buying time time that's so sad And and and there's a lot of things that haven't been released the the FBI New York field office. Inspector General report was a year ago We got one on COCO. We got the one on Komi and struck and page age and those turned out to be fine. They found that they're that If they had any bias or there was there were instances that they displayed biased political bias. It hadn't zero impact on their work. They couldn't find a way to criminally charge. Komi he didn't break the law They said it was probably not kosher of him. To take those memos home of his you know his contemporaneous memos of the discussions that he had with trump that were obstructive And he took him home he took them home and put them in his safe and then gave them to a friend kind of his to release to the press so he didn't do it directly yeah And all of that was found to be not criminal although you know they were like at. That's abnormal and weird and and and companies like this whole fucking thing is abnormal in weird. So I took proper steps that weren't illegal to ensure the AH preservation of this evidence and I told my top five or six guys at the at the at the FBI all of whom don't work for the FBI anymore or have been moved to HR HR discredited someway. Except for I think boat it So it's just it's just they don't have anything and when they don't have anything they don't want to release it because because it's embarrassing and I think the longer they try to push this impeachment so that they can sort of find something and release it before the impeachment is over are and that also might be why they're trying to rush rush through impeachment so fast. Yeah absolutely if I were the dams I'd be like they have nothing. which just take our time on this impeachment And I apologize. I haven't probably GONNA get to the shortly but do you think that once these public hearings begin. Public testimonies is going to change things It changed what things I mean just in terms of like getting the messages out there from these witnesses just out like having it be played on TV over and over and over absolutely one hundred percent. It'll make a difference. Yeah made a difference in Watergate and made a difference in Whitewater and it'll make a difference now and yeah it. It made such a difference Enduring Nick Sonian Times that before the public hearing started and Nixon's The the only nineteen percent of Americans were for impeachment. And we're already at fifty SEDDON. Certainly GonNA move real fast. I think and I think it only needs to move ten or fifteen points or so in order to get gop. Senator Start falling like Dominos and also in the news. Today they love parnassus lawyer has said Rudy. Giuliani directed Parnasse to issue an ultimatum. Earlier this year to a representative of the incoming President Zilenski. So that means that this that that this is what part is saying. So do you take what take it as you will. But that before Alinsky even took the presidency in May was directed by Giuliani. Tuition ultimatum that zilenski would have to announce an investigation into Biden or the US would freeze aid. Pence would not come to his inauguration. Now Frunze lawyer. Who just happens to be John Dowd? From the law. Firm of pardoning dangle said that Freeman was at that meeting and Dan Neither Biden nor pence's visit came up so now we have four quo's to the quid. We have international trade considerations. A White House meeting the release of Military Terry a.d and pence's presence alinsky inauguration because we remember in the reporting that trump wasn't going to send pence. No no and I don't think he ended up doing that. He sent Rick Perry and the three Amigos. And Senator Ron Johnson. Oh thanks wow. But pens did end up meeting him in Warsaw later so and that might have been after him perhaps started to agree to something like this correct me. If I'm wrong isn't don't is in Dolinsky currently cooperating ex- to some extent church. Not really or is it sort of just not that I've heard heard of. He's he's was mad that that his part of the transcript was released. He doesn't want any part of it no he wants completely out of it. He is stuck between a rock and a Hard Place Aka the United States and Russia. And he doesn't he's like because I have to. You know I have to fly the United States so I can get this aid as javelin missiles and help to fight to fight off the Russians which is and has been the US foreign policy on Ukraine for the last three decades the Cold War ended and And and meanwhile and Bill Taylor even said this in his text messages in his testimony his biggest fear was that you know trump was going going to forces Alinsky to say these things yet still withhold the aid and still not sell the Javelin and still not provide this lethal assistance. That wouldn't be good for Putin. Wouldn't right because he would be doing that for Putin. And that he said that was my quote my worst nightmare and I would quit etcetera etcetera and there was a feeling around the State Department that that could actually actually happen and that's terrifying Frankly especially for Linski. WHO's just like? Hey Man I'm play the piano with medic and I on what. I don't WanNa make a deal with Putin and can we just can you give us the aid and just can we just come on man. You know it's really tie who plays lease the piano with his. Dick is caught between two world powers. Right now what a time to be alive. I know I know that I love it. I mean I hate it but it's it's fascinating what you mean like sociologically those theologically right while Also over the weekend we learned that colonel. Von Men is being removed from his detail at the National Security Council in an overtly retaliatory move by the trump administration administration. Yes he can choose who he wants on the NFC trump can and yes this was a detail but removing him after the release of his deposition is to me blatant retaliation which his highly improper at best illegal at worst though a senior White House official. And I should say this House told. CNN that vim remains on the National Security Council for now and we'll likely cycle out of his position when it's his scheduled time to leave and so this also can make sense because when you're detailed to a position it's for a certain limited amount of time and then you're ah out. Yeah so I mean I. I have no idea about the details of his detail. So the detail details but It it it. It is a bad look the optics here are bad And in government you don't remove someone from their position after they've filed a complaint complaint be it whistleblower. EEO deposed testimony in an impeachment inquiry. Kind of a bad look to do that. You just any scenario you just don't do that. Don't And I Mary not know a lot about that But this is again. The optics here aren't good so also Today we've got a lot of transcripts released that Christmas if it was it was Christmas in well. It's almost Christmas anyway early. Christmas so We're going over the transcripts right after this message. 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They've all been reviewed by not only the people who gave the depositions but the the lawyers who represent them No one's had any issues I think redacted there are some reactions But you know. Trump trump is trying to there's so few reductions trump is trying to say that the DEM's our doctrine doctrine of falsifying these transcripts We have three more drop on Monday. We got the transcripts of the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Lower Cooper they were released and we have some highlights. So Cooper Cooper testified. She understood the military aid was being withheld from Ukraine until the president made public statements at the two thousand sixteen election interference and Burris were being investigated Volcker. Kerr told her in a closed door meeting that we hadn't heard of yet. This is a new meeting. But Volcker told her in a closed-door meeting that he was attempting to lift the hold on the aid by having the Ukrainians Deliver Republic statement That they would launch the investigation sought by president trump. She also said Volcker told her. Ukraine was alarmed in August that the aid was being withheld. Cooper testified that meeting on July twenty sixth The day after trump's call was dolinsky. I became clear to her that the whole in military aid was related to the President's presidents concerns about corruption and that immediately deputies began to raise concerns about how this could be done in a legal fashion so she brought up the legal stuff because she's over on the Pentagon side. You knew it wasn't right and it's not just that it's illegal to withhold the Aden exhort this country shakedown Ukraine. But it's also illegal to withhold already appropriated funds by Congress is Congress controls. The Person Congress had can already approved this to happen. Yes okay I feel like I forgot that detail somewhere along the way that it wasn't just up to trump that had already been approved by Congress. Yes and part of our separation of powers. The executive doesn't have control the purse. Yeah it's Congress do he can't. Yeah that's that's beyond that's a violation of the separation of powers Clausen the constitution of the United States. So quote the comments in the room At the deputies level reflected a sense that there was not an understanding of how this could legally play out and that at At at that meeting the deputies agreed to look into the legalities and to look at what was possible So that testimony is in direct conflict with volkers testimony that the idea of an exchange for public statement for the release of aid was not on the table and this explains why the GOP are trying to get Volker. That's why volkers on their witness is list Because he's a fucking liar no no I was wondering why they put Volker on there now after reading this testimony. No now I know because she completely debunked volkers statement that the exchange for release of aid was not on the table. We kinda yet yet another yes and then we also got a couple other transcripts. We've got the depositions from Catherine Crofton Christopher Anderson to State Department employees. These were also released on Monday. Both have testified testified that the Ukrainians knew about the withholding military aid well before trump says. They found out about it at the end of August. That's trump's assertion. Is that Ukraine to no till the end of August. So there can't be a quid pro quo. If they don't know Sounds like no quid. Pro Quo we didn't know that sounds like a OJ defense a- and another fit she goes to fit you must acquit No quid pro quo of you didn't know and another interesting point from Catherine Cross testimony is that she asserts in the late. Eight twenty Seventeen Mick Mulvaney then Oh. MB Director Office and Management and Budget and now acting chief of staff actually put on hold the ability for the US to give javelin avalon's sell javelin is to Ukraine. Trump is always criticized Obama for not giving Ukraina Javelin. But now we're learning Mulvaney. Put a hold on them. Probably in in beans here in exchange for stopping the exchange of information between Ukraine and Muller with regards to Manafort the Black Ledger stuff. Oh so remember the timeline we knew about in reporting reporting from David Ignatius in what Mato went over recently on her show if mulvaney withheld the javelin in two thousand seventeen and Giuliani visits president. Porsche Anco who was the president of Ukraine at the time within a week of the MANAFORT investigations being dropped four of them. Pora Shangqiu gets a coveted White House meeting and the Javelin released. That's what prompted the DEM Congressman Rep. Gerry Connelly to say after he came out of a deposition hearing quote. If I were an enterprising reporter I would spend a little time on the issue of gels javelin missiles well crossed. We reported this way back in May of eighteen but crofts testimony seems to clarify that that this first instance bribery. Yeah happened. And this is kroft stemming pro quoing for lyle yes this was the does the dry run or you call it quid pro quo number one or or you could call it. The first bribe with Tim have to come up with movie. Titles in a world world. We're trump is still the president Ah Vomit every day and so This is kind of a sad story here. The man who played a huge supporting role to the White Helmets which is a civilian alien. Lead emergency response. Group in Syria was found dead inside close to his home In Istanbul. What's even more suspect is that the death came just a couple days following the Russian Foreign Ministry accusing him of being a spy and on top of that it looks like he may have died by falling out of his balcony? Which is some sick trademark of murder perpetrated traded usually by Putin sympathizers Putin He was The founder and director of the Mayday Rescue Organization that trained the White Helmets. The group has been supported sorted by the UN for years which means that Russian views them as a terrorist linked group and that's their stance on the white helmets so again found falling accidentally they of course falling out of his balcony When you're at odds with Putin you your your chances of accidentally falling out of a balcony increase significantly? It's really an and it's really disturbing when you look at the number of deaths of activists under the hands of authoritarian regimes around the world. For some reason I think it's because I was watching some climate change content earlier if you also suffer from climate grief Tweet at me. Anyway I was thinking about recently when I believe. It was climate activist in Brazil. WHO's trying to protect? The rainforests suffered a mysterious death at the hands of some uncomfortable scenario. Like these things happen all the time. Yeah no it's fucking tragic and I and we have to fucking fight to hold onto the freedoms we still have here like tooth and nail. Yeah and and that's it. It's proven out. It's boring so many ways like we don't even understand the depths to which Russia can interfere in someone's election and and so discarding and Ukraine's looking at us like the Bra you 'cause they we knew fighting this for decades and and And and so two. It's it's just I think I feel like we live sort of in this. You know of course in California we live in our bubble absolutely You know and maybe they have their bubble down at LSU or whatever But I think the United States as a whole is in a bubble and is protected from some of these things that go on in these dictatorial countries. we're we're it. It just seems like only half of us or maybe even a third of us are upset that trump even pals around with Amazon Kim Jong Hoon Detaille these dictators. the guy that Hungary guy not hungry like food Hungary the CO yeah. Yeah Yeah and also aired one who ousted A lot of You know journalists and educators. NBS has liberals from his country when he took power. Yeah it's true. It's murderous fucking dictators. Who Kill their brothers? You know And I mean like their nuclear family brothers and family members to because of power. You know Crown Royal Intrigue and traitors to the crown and all that shit and for it's just it just seems like as a whole we just either. We don't understand we don't care to understand I don't mean US obviously Or you guys. Listening we're plugged were engaged. Were very aware of this. I just feel as the country as a whole and I think that that apathy and not unwillingness to to see that out or being protected from it. You know by mega corporations who just want us to keep buying things and be happy I think that at that had a hand in The two thousand sixteen election as well that apathy. But I don't think it's going to happen this time. I you know what I I have honestly like. It's funny because people say this to me sometimes like having not American family members are like is it really bad. I just have this expensive. Hope still will like there. I mean granted southern California and I'm in a bubble and I have a lot of friends who think similarly to me and you know and I do the show and but I I have this sense of hope that Lake that you're gonNA steer the ship back in the right direction while Muller has said. You could never convince me that pessimism is better than optimism totally Or something like that paraphrasing And I do agree with that and I do. I have watched not not personally but have read of our judicial system holding in these times of crises totally or a crisis and so I do have hope and faith in that and I also did. I was listening when Obama spoke And I that is the stance that I do take. Sometimes I'm let down but I was like this before I was massively into politics. I always trusted. Everyone gave everyone the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes I get walked on. Sometimes I get my heart broken I'd rather be that optimists. starry eyed Heyman of wonder optimism creator at who is hurt every now now and again then to be completely cynical and You know well we're booked everything's fucked you know I I'm just I can't I don't operate that way and I'm not saying that that's a better way to operate or worse way to operate and also the thing is you're allowed to be a relentless optimist in your life while still acknowledging all the shit that is talked true that's hard for a lot of people to understand like people are like. How can you be so optimistic about things and this is wrong and this is wrong and this is wrong? It's like dude I know and I also know I'm also fucking nihilist. Silas no lives matter. We're all going to die. And this is so insignificant on larger scale of the universe and I get that too but like and you know right here right now absolutely. This is huge and important. Admittedly Lake like layers of privilege which like to protect us from certain things other people might be experiencing right now under the trump administration like the color of our skin. The passports that we have you know one hundred percent the healthcare that I have said reproductive because I I don't have to worry about that anymore. There's a lot of things which like how are helping us to stay optimistic throughout this time I can imagine it's a lot harder you know if you don't have certain things of those but like I. I hope that Bhai listening you guys. Find your colonel optimism because a lot unless Lift each other up and be there for each other. I think is important in that sense. Because you're right not everybody is is in a position to be able to be optimistic exactly but like all we can hope. Is that by like you know presenting the news in such a way in keeping everyone laughing to some extent and gives you a kernel of optimism. That's for me yes I I agree and I you know I. I see exactly what you're talking. Yeah Yeah thank you for bringing up that point as well Let's see what else talking about Privilege here former. UN Ambassador. Nikki Haley. you may have heard wrote a new book and it says in it that REX Tillerson and John. Kelly basically tried to make the case to her for why resisting trump is important. Haley says quote Kellyanne. Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president they weren't being in subordinate. They were trying to save the a country. Tillerson went on to tell me the reason. He resisted the president's decision was because if he didn't people would die and trump actually endorsed this book. And that's funny because because she's basically saying if Tillerson and Kelly didn't do what they did people would have died and I'm sure in some cases they did. It's it's just it. It's just a really interesting sort of I. I got in some arguments today about With some trump supporters about vitamin. And they're arguing. That vitamin was in subordinate to the president should be tried for treason and put to death. And I tried to explain that you do not have to follow an unlawful order. So if Kellyanne tillerson person who are also do Schwab's don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to call anybody a hero. But if they're trying to resist the president it's You know and telling Nikki Haley. Help US come with us. It's not insubordination. It's not it's refusing to obey a lawful order. People are GonNa die like that's how how bad this is and I don't understand how the twentieth amendment it hasn't even come into play at but Nikki Haley says instead of saying that to me Kellyanne Tillerson should have been saying that to the president now asking me to join them on their side bar plan. It should have been go. Tell the president what your differences are and quit if you don't like what he's doing but to undermine a president is really a very dangerous thing and it goes against the constitution and it goes against why the American people it goes against what the American people want and it was offensive. So she's she's basically saying that America elected this president. So whatever ever he wants to do everyone should follow blindly and that is a. That's the dumbest thing I've ever had a line of thinking and also like to that end. A lot of shavings servings throughout history have been legal. Yes you know laying. It was legal to own a person it was once legal. You know like a lot of so much of what it has been done throughout history against people have been has been legal at the time right like that doesn't mean Shit. Yeah I can't remember you know who said it but patriotism is not blindly following a president. It's it's it's sticking up for your country circuit for your country and the rights of People's human rights to give your country in the rights of people honestly Nikki Darling Nikki if you you know if that were the case if it said in the constitution you just have to say what other the president says. There wouldn't be any checks and balances we wouldn't need we would be a dictatorship will be a monarchy. We would be an old guy. We wouldn't have to put in protections and impeachment mkx clauses and things to to limit the executive power and have checks and balances on it beat. The reason they did that is because they said there could be an asshole in here. One day that's going to fuck shit up. I'm paraphrasing yeah. I don't think it said that directly in the federals papers but that's why all that shit was written in Nikki. Someday there will be an asshole in the White House. That's what their main in concern and their lane. Worry was impeachment. Articles were written for what trump did to Ukraine precisely bribery. High crimes. And misdemeanors when you you are seeking you know when you're colluding with a foreign country to dig up dirt for personal gain bribery extortion. It's written right the fuck there and if Nikki Nikki's Nicky's basically saying knob raw you gotta do whatever the President says because the American people elected him so you got to do it. That's just dumb. It's funny I wonder it's as I've I've seen more of trump's own appointees and trump people that trump has hired turned against him. I have to wonder what the vetting process was for. These people like like how. How did they have the conversation about their level of loyalty to the president? How do they have the conversation about their level of approval for his agenda? Do you know what I mean. There is no vetting the process Trump has even said that. I don't have a vetting process that the press does it for me He's appointed many people who have either had to turn down the job withdraw or resigned winder been investigated or pretty much every single cabinet members had to leave. Because he doesn't vet anyone. I'm talking I feel you on that but I'm talking specifically about what what do you think his processes in terms of finding out. Someone's going to be behind him. Oh he asks right and we have evidence from that from the loyalty asked dinner with Komi right when Komi went went to the White House. And he's trying to figure out if he's going to have him be the FBI director still and he's like so you know I you know I have to ask thank you for a loyalty. And and and Comey says I'll always be honest with you and he goes. That's what they want honest loyalty and you know. And so they'll the loyalty ask is. There's so many documented ties with an he also has people signed nondisclosure agreements. Apparently REX Tillerson didn't want the job and his wife commits him to take get because he she was like. It's prestigious you have to take it secretary of state. But apparently he wasn't like totally Gung Ho about taking the job. Trump neither is bill Taylor. Yeah yeah a lot of people. Oh and there's been. A lot of people turned him down like now cool cool Bra. I don't want that job. Thank you yeah. There's a it's it's crazy to the number of his high level officials officials who are like Oh island without on the news. I saw that in a tweet like they're not actually communicating with him on a regular basis. Yeah definitely not The mind boggles. I never thought it would be on the side of REX Tillerson. Don't get me wrong. I'm not like a neighborhood with the former Exxon Mobil. CEO But like it is crazy like like it was installed by Putin rex. Yeah Yeah and he he was still like Nah you guys yet another level he's like even for me. Yeah even for me even for me and I'M GONNA for oil executive. I'm a bad dude but y'all are bad dudes food too much for me. Yeah all right. We've got some news from across the pond around your favorite near Hero Johnson. We'll be right back. Hey listeners. This helping the daily beans is brought to you by ancestry. Ever wonder if the family lore about being of Cherokee and Scottish descent is really accurate we can discover more about your family tree and learn about your true story by combining the ancestry DNA with the billions of historical family records on ANCESTRY DOT com. Tom My test told me I am not at all Irish. Despite having thought I was all Irish growing up but seriously ancestry. DNA gives you so much more than just the places places you're from. It connects you to places in the world. Your story started and uses geographic detail in historical insights. That allow you to trace your ancestors journeys overtime you can start. 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There's an election scheduled in December and it seems to be boiling down between one of two choices the Conservative Party on a hard brexit or the Labor Party and a a new referendum but Sunday is that right Yeah if you listeners have actually come back and said that's it doesn't talk quite as simple as that So yeah we'll we'll we'll circle back to that but that is essentially my understanding although some of our listeners have said it's not quite as is that nothing is always as simple as that But those are two of the big choices And End Sunday we got reporting from business. Insider that Boris Johnson's Conservative Party has received donations from nine. Russian donors with links to the Kremlin according to an official report which has been suppressed by Boris Johnson. Himself Johnson chose to block to report amid fears. It could cause him or cost him the upcoming election but in leak details from the report. Johnson's Conservative Party party has ties to London based Russian oligarchs with a surge of donations from the Russians and the Conservative Party Conservative Party over the past year among the donors Named in this report are Alexander to Marco who worked for the Russian Defense Ministry Lube Off Chur Newton who was married to Vladimir Lukin a former Putin ally and Alexander Lebedev. Ed Jeff the owner of a bunch of media outlets whose son is a friend of Boris Johnson fears have previously been raised that these associations make Boris Johnson. A security risk due to the possiblity. He could be blackmailed by Russia. Golly that sounds familiar This is exactly what was happening with the with for example Flynn an and and trump himself. Why the counterintelligence investigation was going on in the first place is because people were worried that because like like for example because Flynn lied to the FBI? Russian knew it then they have something they can hold over his head. And that's why he had to be removed from his national security adviser or Director actor National Intelligence. And so that. That's what seems to be and then of course trump himself You know just been traveling to Russia forever. And he's probably gotten auden loans cosigned from Russia deutschebank conveniently lost those papers but You know they've got folder on on trump to the enquirer her folder on trump. Do you think fucking Kremlin. I honestly think you could find out something illegal about trump if you that next time in a bar for an hour really exactly so if you don't think the KGB had some shit on trump You're you're silly but that is what they think is happening with Boris Johnson. He is now AH compromised because his party has accepted donations from Crumlin linked russian-backed oligarchs that are london-based and this report hasn't been released. Ace Jet Johnson's still trying to suppress it. But some some some of it leaked well. I mean here's the thing. This doesn't surprise me. Shockingly I mean the level of wealth in London is truly insane and having lived there for a long time. I can tell you that. There is a very large concentration of Russian Russian welfare and it is not going to serve their interests if there is more leftwing government there of course not all all and so. It's like it is it is I mean for a lot of reasons but first and foremost the protection of these Russian billionaires who are all based there and also quite frankly look at Boris Johnson. Yeah are you surprised but this is also bigger than that. Because we've been reporting on molar. She wrote days gone by that Cambridge analytica Alexander Knicks. Aaron Banks You know not appear jukes on this all ties to Bannon and The Mercer's who were funding Breitbart Breitbart all this money that they dumped into brexit and disinformation. Yeah so that I could leave the EU. Because what does Putin want a destabilized European European Union de-stabilize NATO and so this he's he's over there clap ended up having a great time. Meanwhile we've got you know this this and of course that's why Boris is he. This is a good look for him. I don't know how illegal it is for Y'all to accept I mean if these are London's if these are London citizens that happen open to have Kremlin ties But if they're laundering Russian money into the London elections. I don't know how illegal that is. It's it's really illegal here. Yeah absolutely I mean I I. I haven't read this story so I don't know the specifics and I and it's an there are different campaign finance laws so if you guys have perspective on that you know tweet at us But it is it's illegal. I'm sure I'm sure it is but make quite a bit weather. Let me be clear though. It's not illegal for like we have some. US residents that are former Russian. Emigres than work to work for Kremlin interests that donate large sums of money to Republican packs like vessel Burg and Blah bought neck and and they legally can donate their own money to those pacts It's when they funnel foreign money in that that's the problem totally absolutely. Yeah I mean I'm I'm I'm sure that is completely illegal but like whether or not it's their own money for people who happen to live. There is a different story. But what you're saying about this being like a long standing issue. I mean I haven't haven't there's been you know. The people who wanted trump to be elected were all you're right similar. Ring of people who wanted brexit happened and I keep thinking back to the summer revolting. Brexit was practice round more or less. I mean the amount of information that was spread during brexit was so shocking I remember the summer of two thousand sixteen before the brexit happened and I was just actually still living In London and I remember seeing Johnson and imposing he did a tour of the country and he was a huge He was a huge proponent. Of which is which was quite shocking to me at the time because because he had been mayor of London which is an international global world city that felt very European as opposed to so it was shocking team at the mayor of Lenin. was doing this. Given how globalist he had previously seemed and so I've wondered what had changed so quickly during a tour of the country outta totally headed how to saying on the side of the bus which was something that's sold a lot of people on brexit which it was like if we leave the EU. You know that's not going to be six hundred and fifty million dollars a week that we can pump back into our healthcare system yet so it was just lie. Lie why I do. I remember that I remember the disinformation campaign on a lot of it was orchestrated by The Conservative Party Tories. The leave party Ed which came from Cambridge Analytica and which is backed by Russian. Money and Bannon was involved with Sanderson's media warfare. That happened over here and of course the whole Manafort Ukrainian Kovic thing was the staging the staging area for at all. That was the that was the practice round and then dress. Rehearsal was brexit and Grand Finale United States. It's and and where do you go from there. You know those. That's the big prize. He hasn't it yeah destabilized euro-zone zone a destabilize. The United States is like Christmas Putin. Sorry Mike Hopkins Christmas Balk. Yeah What else is going on today? Trump was in New York City for Veterans Day Parade. Fuck you boo him bone Spurs. Oh yeah he got chance. Whistle blowers were blowing whistles. I enjoy that wind like did anyone. Anyone boo him. Tell me sloppy nice little Schadenfreude we have a different Sean for today but it it is pretty it it. It feels good to to feel like you're not alone. I remember when I came out with my story of being raped in the military and I felt alone and crazy and everyone made me feel like I was insane and that I was you know just is to see a crazy person believes really isolating it is and then when I saw the film and I saw a montage of women just like me and men saying the exact same things. They had said that you know they said to me when I tried to report all of the things like where you drunk where you're drinking. What were you wearing? Were you in a fight with your boyfriend to do like all we can file your. You know we're GONNA charge you with a filing a false report do that he lose your school. You lose your rate you lose your rank you lose your benefits you don't get healthcare you don't get your Gi Bill and you get a dishonorable discharge and to see a whole bunch of different people. Say that exact same thing happened. I was like Oh God thank you thank you so much. So when we see people booing enchanting trump and like big massive ways it's just it's it's uplifting mentally and spiritually because we aren't alone we don't feel crazy crazy for being gasoline for so many years by this administration so I think that's probably that feeling Trick you thank you so much for that. Not The problem. Is it like sometimes my own. INTERNAL COMPASS GOES wrong to be excited for some getting booed. We care and we're am empathetic or sympathetic. We're not Dick Heads but when you've been gasoline for so long and somebody else is like with you and then a lot of people are with you and it's happened onto the those same people it's like. Oh you know hundred percents one hundred percent different and wonderful and that is why we love you guys so much y'all should say y'all But here's a weird thing. Trump strategically placed garbage trucks around so that he couldn't hear booing and would disrupt like large amounts of people from gathering and protesting but they still did And he said some frightening shit during that Speech did you see that little video go around is like you could shoot me. But you'd have to kill all of us and no one clapped. And he went or something and then some people sorta clapped then. He stepped away from the MIC. Like yeah which is booking creepy. He's insane God what else is going on gates is going to be sentenced They've prosecuted friend. Yeah nope that's newness. Oh sorry this is gates The prosecutors filed finally after three year to whatever has been so long they're like all right December mid December. We're GONNA we're. We're ready to go to sentence. Rick Gates were Gates's cooperated extensively sensibly with the more investigation. I doubt he'll get no rick gates. MANAFORT's deputy. I doubt he'll get time if if he gets any. It'll be very suchart I because his the extensive -ness of his cooperation he is sentenced Popadopoulos in prison. Resort cities. Yes I sent you to Felicity Huffman Sorry this is so mean with a grocery store earlier and you know those like crappy tabloid magazines they have at the front like before you pay. It was had Lori Loughlin the cover and it was like goes was to prison for five years. I'm just picking the worst possible pictures. I know. This is a fucking media circus distraction bullshit but she's GonNa get two weeks to five years. That's but that's what the some tabloid said. She could serve up to five. She's thinking she's going to go to prison for like three weeks. Yeah how long did you listen to you go for weeks now. Ten days ten days and probation. She had to have been like she. I don't know pick up garbage. These whether we great driving down the four zero five C fucking felicity Huffman in an orange suit picking up garbage average on the side of the road that I one hundred percent guarantee. She doesn't have to do that. Tries to get to work in a library or something. Yeah but yeah to Felicity Muench. Maybe yeah that's that's how long totally that you know what that is what I think it'll be it'll be twenty days. That's thirty one days. I think yeah. I think we're gates could get a month in prison okay to Huffman Zana Mooch. Yeah that's the means So we'll find out what he's GonNa be sentenced to We still don't know what's going on in the Flynn case they're trying to you know we already know. They're trying to do all that crazy stuff. We'll give major updates on on flint and stuff when we do more. She wrote this weekend next weekend. I should say so That it is pretty much the new so How about a little shot in freighter to leave you on this beautiful day? Sounds good a federal court. Judge who was appointed by trump ruled against him. Today the ruling came out after another court case in which trump is trying to not release his tax returns. The judge today today. Monday said that trump cannot Sue New York state officials in in a case out of the District of Columbia so basically a CNN reports. You can either start up the case again in New York state or you can wait until Congress. I actually asked New York for them. So trump is batting zero on his tax cases. Meaning he's lost to every single one so this was a preemptive lawsuit. Okay so if you remember like last year or something or maybe it was a mid this year New York passed a law that says state tax returns can also be released to the House Ways and Means Committee New York State tax returns. Yes And they were doing that because the house ways and Means Committee was trying to get the tax returns from the IRS and the Treasury Department. And so Steve at the Treasury Department and Charles Reading and his other buddy trump's buddies who sell trump real estate our own trump condos who work at the IRS refused to handover stakes used from toilet paper his dream about trump every night and They refused to hand over his federal tax return. Sooner Work State passed this law saying okay. Well we can hand over the state tax returns because they used to be able to hand him over but they mended it to say they could hand him over to the House. The House Ways and Means Committee subpoenaed. Yeah the United States House Ways and Means Committee to if subpoenaed and AH Ricky. Neil didn't subpoena them Dick Dick Neal. Richard Neal didn't subpoena the tax returns from New York State. He's like look. I need the federal tax returns because because I'm busy trying to assess whether the federal you know Presidential Tax Audit Program is functioning properly because we got an irs whistleblower complaint that said it's not and the Treasury is trying to interfere. Fear somebody high up at the Treasury hundred percent. It's Steve Mnuchin is is trying to interfere with that audit process on the president's tax returns. And so oh I could ask for the state returns and be legal about it but in order to maintain an optics view like a legit thing in Just you know I am not doing this for political reasons. I am doing it for legislative purposes. which he doesn't have to prove to get the tax returns he just wants? I don't know he's just put an extra layer of You know a proper nece in there So he's saying I need the federal tax returns and he never did it but trump preemptively sued New York saying what was it New York Trump New York state officials. Yeah he tried to sue them to preemptively reactively block and the judge is like no. You can't do that out of DC that's federal to this is New York three. How about you wait until they subpoena them to actually file a lawsuit? So that's where we're at. And he lost and this was a trump appointee the many dismissed it like. How many legal deadlines? And how many like like lawsuit deadlines and how much legal bullshit must. Trump's lawyers have on their Google calendar. How the fuck you keep track of it? How do you wake up in the morning? Like know how to prioritize which of trump's legal battles to handle them to listen to Miller she wrote daily beans but probably to my question is related to the tax returns Whatever happened and I don't know if you no this didn't California? Pass a law that you had to release your tax returns to run in the primaries here. Yes we did pass that on. He is suing okay to stop us from doing so currently currently that's still that's still happening. But he's good. I hope that it doesn't. He is trying to bribe. He's trying to block it okay. We don't have a final ruling and there's nothing the case. Yeah and and when we're not far from the California primary no when is that. I think it's March Super Tuesday Calculus so I wanted us. I'm GonNa look just so I make sure that I'm not giving out wrong information because we're going earlier. This time which I actually think could be powerful. Yeah Tuesday march third March third. That's not really honestly that far away. No Shit I hope. It's impeachment moves quickly. Oh Oh my God. Primaries are in March Jadu went insane few months. This is going to be. Yeah this whole year from here on out. It's it's nuts. I knew the minute that Nadler filed that for that grand jury material under Article One impeachment that that from that day forward until election twenty twenty. It's just gonNa be locking nuts an insane shit. Show anyone who needs like who's looking for a consolidated collated fun-loving optimistic also swearing news program. To keep up on everything. That's going to be happening between now. And the election son Amar Way We would be happy continue to do that. I got you for you and for anyone else. WHO's looking for that kind of a kind of news because it's going to be a lot I think we've gotten pretty good. Ah deciding what is news that matters to to y'all and so any like minded people you can think of in you know coming up because it's going to be a locomotive votive and God. I am here to that gave me some perspective. I'm here to be a cow catcher. I could a few. That's the thing on the front of the locomotive a cow catcher at gently nudges cows off the track for cows. They it's better than you know than not I'm a little bit in shock because I feel like for the last few months like especially I think like I duNNo. Time under trump is a whole other conversation how time passes but ever since official impeachment inquiry was launched. It's moving so quickly and I think I've just been putting one foot in front of the other trying to keep up with the news and I knew the primaries are coming out quickly but the perspective of how soon they they really are coming up and also looking at the impeachment like track. Trajectory is just like making my head spin. It's a lot holy shit and The the thing I was talking about when Nadler on behalf of the House judiciary filed the first time invoking article on impeachment powers for the grand jury materials and the molar investigation. That was July twenty seventh. y'All shit that's not even four months ago. No it's been that long. That's when we were in Chicago with Renato Mariotti checkout his. PODCAST on epic. If you don't if you haven't it's amazing All right that's all I do. You have any final thoughts today. I guess actually yeah. My final thought give an inch realized how fucking soon our votes are who who knows who we building for this point but Yeah if you go you know make sure you register to vote. Yes do that now. Yeah super important. Keep saying it but got to remind you if you're like Oh you have to do that. Set a reminder in your phone egistered for sometime this this week when you have a free hour to have a cup of coffee opened up you breathe breathe a second because we have to do that so important and then find out if you're registered about it's usually just too easy quick online check And there are a lot of places that can help you do that. Ten also so check the rules and regulations around primary voting in your state because it differs everywhere. Yes for example you know some stump states. You can't vote in the Democrat primary if you aren't registered Democrat Sometimes you can. Sometimes it's open primaries. Sometimes you know there's there's a lot of different rules and dates were for in order the primaries different than the general and and so do yourself that favor And and make sure that you are good to go because voters there's are being purged from rolls all over the place and it's just the the they will stop at nothing the tricks that the dirty tricks that they you are willing to engage in to keep you from voting is. I think it's more than a lot of people realize and so oh you know make sure yeah if you are able to vote and you know. That's a possibility for you and also I don't know I guess we don't talk about this afternoon. It doesn't affect affect their communities. We come from quite as much like if you are for some reason unable to vote I'm sorry and I hope that people around you do that do that for for you. Yeah maybe talk to some of your friends who you know can vote and explain to them why it's so important that don't don't write in a third party candidate or sitting out like you said though people who had fucking like they give them their left arm to vote and yes exactly definitely a you know if you're one of those people who or enabled to earn unable to vote. Let let people know be like. Hey if I could vote I would So please don't sit this one out and please then explain. Explain them to have a binary system works and it's one of the other in this country after we after we elect after we nominate our nominee It's it's one or the other there is no third party that's GONNA win their lives. No philosophical vote. That's GonNa make a difference in anyone anyone's anyone's lives except how you personally feel about yourself. There's none of that's going to happen so I love that idea if you're if you're not able to vote for whatever reason there's a whole myriad of reasons so uh-huh yeah I have some friends who can't vote because they were caught with marijuana. Yup that's exactly I mean it's you know. Obviously people like me who immigrants can't vote but I'm not I'm talking about people who were born here. Yeah you know. There's a lot of people who can't vote because their power is super care and You know I don't think that we're going to have an issue in California California but you know if you're somewhere where you're gonNA swing state or a red district and you have some friends who might be you know either trump voters or such a die. Hard Democrat supported them supporter of a specific Democratic candidate. That they won't vote for anyone else. They're going to sit at home if if they don't win. Tell them like. Hey for me for me would you do it for me. yeah because Heslin. I can't yeah and I'm an and people who can't vote are generally the most disenfranchised by this administration absolutely especially the people not just the people can't vote with the the people who they make it hard for them to vote. Thank you the final thought such as Richard about. I can't vote but I really like living here so please about thank you. Yeah right and not is the show. Please take care of yourself take care of each other ticker the planet. Take care of your mental health if I mean that I've been ag. I've been mandy reader. Them's the beans. The daily beans is executive produced directed by AG and Jordan. Coburn and engineered handed edited by Mackenzie Mozelle and starve. Industries Are Marketing Manager Executive Assistant Production and social media direction as Amanda Reader Fact Checking Research by AG Jordan Coburn and commander reader. Our music is written and performed by. They might be giants. 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Impeachment inquiry begins next stage as Intelligence Committee prepares to compile report

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Impeachment inquiry begins next stage as Intelligence Committee prepares to compile report

"Ahead Tonight John Bolton's back and he's causing headaches for the trump administration. The former national security adviser is reemerging after a public hiatus and he's already fighting with the White House could his next public appearance. Be under oath at an impeachment hearing also. The president went on his favourite network today. The Fox News hosts tried harder than usual to challenge Alan Gym. It didn't go over well more on those stories later in the hour but we begin tonight with the latest impeachment developments in a new interview with the L. A. Times House intelligence elegance committee chairman. Adam Schiff says that his committee has begun writing his report in the impeachment. Investigation against President. Trump wants the report is written. It'll be handed it off to the Judiciary Committee which will draft the actual articles of impeachment but shift hasn't ruled out hearing from more witnesses before he submits the report report quote. We're not foreclosing the possibility of additional depositions of or hearings but we're also not willing to wait months and months and let them play rope a dope with us in the courts shift said the committee will work quote on both tracks of continuing to investigate while beginning to put our report together. Democrats seem to think they've learned all they need need to from the impeachment hearings but the same cannot be said for the president who continues to push the unsubstantiated claim that Ukraine worked against him in the two thousand sixteen election. We should warn you. What you're about to hear is not accurate the FBI went an and they told him? Get Out of here. You'RE NOT GONNA we're not giving you. They gave the server to crowd strike or whatever it's called which is a country which is a company owned by very very wealthy Ukranian and I still want to see that server you know the FBI has never gotten that server. That's a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian cranium company where they did that are you sure? They gave it to Ukraine now. That's what the word is. That's not actually. What the word is I sort of feel for those guys on Fox and friends? Allow me if you will to step back. In fact check this quote. They gave the server to crowd strike. Strike or whatever it's called wrong which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukranian wrong the F. B. I. has has never gotten that server wrong. Trump can't even seem to get his own conspiracy theory right. Trump went on to tell Fox News quote Ukraine hated me they were after the election. They wanted Hillary Clinton to win. Let's be clear on this point to the intelligence community concluded that Russia Russia interfered in the two thousand sixteen election. All of this is to say the president must not have been watching the impeachment hearings too closely this week because because his comments came just a day. After this woman Fiona Hill the former National Security Council Senior Director for Europe and Russia chastise ashed is Republicans for pushing this quote fictional narrative. Some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country and that perhaps somehow for some reason Ukraine did. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by by the Russian security services. Themselves if you only hill has no other dog in this fight when she says it's a fictional narrative this comes from a lot of experience tonight the New York Times reports if you own a hill's testimony aligned closely with recent intelligence briefings given to United States senators quote American intelligence officials informed senators and their aides in recent weeks that Russia had engaged in a years long campaign to essentially really framed Ukraine as responsible for Moscow's own hacking of the two thousand sixteen election according to three American officials. The revelations sends demonstrate Russia's persistence in trying to sow discord among its adversaries. And showed that the Kremlin apparently succeeded as unfounded claims about Ukrainian interference seeped into Republican talking points and quote if that is not evidence enough that trump is pushing a conspiracy theory eerie. Try this Vladimir. Putin himself says he's pleased. That quote political battles in Washington have put on the backburner accusations that Russia interfered in. US elections according to the associated. Press Putin said this week quote. Thank God no one is accusing us of interfering in the US elections actions anymore now. They're accusing Ukraine leading off our discussion tonight. Michael Weiss daily beast editor at large. He's currently writing a book on Russian and Military Intelligence David Corn Washington bureau chief for Mother Jones and MSNBC political analyst. He attended all three days of the impeachment. Hearings this week gentleman when we had a fairly robust conversation before the show started on the idea that there are people you might even call them. Reasonable people educated people smart people who continue to believe this bunk. That Fiona Hill told Congress and she is as senior and learn it. As you get on this is not true true it is a fiction. It is perpetrated by Russia to have people believe that somehow Ukraine which is in a war with Russia in dispute with Russia was the one involved in hacking the election or interfering in the US election. What more Michael can you say to people who continue to believe this or perpetrate? This there are several different strands to this conspiracy theory. The most I hesitate to use the word legitimate. But the most credible one the then Ukrainian in investor of the United States. Mr Chali wrote an OP. Ed Castigating Donald Trump for comments. He made which would rather bizarre and also contradictory Number one donald trump then candidate. I trump said that most crimeans want to be part of Russia thus legitimating invasion and annexation of sovereign European soil the first time since World War Two also Donald Trump. I believe in conversation with George. Stephanopoulos said weirdly. If I'm president. Russia will never invade Crimea even after they had right so this was his way to get back at Barack Obama. Charlie's up Ed. I think it was published in the hill was ill advised as Dr Hill mentioned at Congress however it was done publicly it is actually based on my reporting some of the least incendiary rhetoric used by European diplomats about then candidate trump given the some of the comments he made need not just about Ukraine but also about NATO the transatlantic relationship. I well recall being in a European country meeting with a Foreign Minister of a NATO member state in in which Donald Trump came on the television then candidate trump and that foreign minister told me of this man's elected it's the end of the West so the point here is that somebody in an official capacity in Ukraine rain criticized Donald Trump who was then a candidate which donald trump and others have now turned into the fact that there was an attempt to interfere in the election and he and he did. It'd openly. That's the key thing. The Russian attack as Bob Muller characterize it was systematic and sweeping and involved illegal activity stealing emails releasing And taking over parts of this that this was an op. Ed I mean we. We have just now all three of US fallen into the trap. We're we're discussing. We're discussing and we're trying to explain what's there and what isn't there and getting into details when what Donald Trump and. I sat through this all week. Jim I'm Jordan. Devin Nunes on the Republicans on the panel and others. All they do. is they try to string together in a very word salad nefarious way turns names like still Ukraine meddling up ED straits money and they try to create an impression. However it's it's unfortunately it? It's something you can't get away from because it's in the mainstream no hang because the president himself. What's his doing this? And they're the they're just trying to create this alternative reality for for people who don't want to believe the worst of Donald Trump who want to believe donald trump and they need something else to hang onto and that's what they're giving them in the lead up to the brexit referendum in the UK. Barack Obama who was visiting the UK wrote an OP. Ed In the Telegraph. I believe basically saying. Don't guys don't do this. As the American President now also arguably ill advised indecorous as the American President to get involved in internal however is that the same thing as interference. It's two different. Russian intelligence organizations conducting cyber espionage against political party in a foreign country then leaking the contents of of their correspondence to Russian asset. In this case wikileaks for the purposes of bolstering one candidate and diminishing the other is that also tantamount to running a sophisticated active measures campaign in the form of disinformation and propaganda using social media services such as twitter and facial. Let's assume that everything that you say we take it at face value. The the these are different things. What what this diplomat did not the same as interference in the election? I WANNA play why this dangerous so you you said wisely we fall into a trap when we discuss this as journalists. Sometimes we have to go down some of these roads. But here's where the real danger lies as articulated by Fiona Hill right right now. Russia's security services on their proxies have geared up to repeat their interference in the twenty twenty election. We running out of time to stop them and the cost crosses investigation. I would ask that you please not promote politically driven falsehoods so clearly advanced Russian interests that rub therein lies. The RUB is everybody's He's discussing this Putin has said this is fantastic. Oh it's Chris. What it does is? Trump has never fully acknowledged that if the Russians attacked and that the Russians attacked to help him and that the Russian attack had an impact on the campaign. He can't live without. It's a taint on his presidency. And because of that he has not been able in the last three years as president to deal with the prospect of another Russian attack in fact the Washington Post reported a few view weeks ago that when he met in May of two thousand seventeen got with two Russian official in the Oval Office. He told them he was not concerned. And so he's been trying to do for the last. Three years is tree move this stain create alternative narratives and what it does is it. Leaves the United States wide open to another attack because he can't except the first one and we go fast forward to the Ukraine scandal which is all about what again trying to do something to rig the two thousand twenty election in his. Okay so the gear. We should be on here. The one the other line of defense that Republicans are using. Michael is that nobody who testified was really in the room rumer on the call which is not true because there were people there and they're fact witnesses and they're like the on a hill have context and our fact witnesses but the bottom line is the people who could could probably tell us the most about this did not appear to testify. Adam Schiff tells a Los Angeles Time Times that we've made it abundantly clear to the president that their failure to permit permit witnesses to testify and their failure to respond to any of our subpoenas has only built the case against them for obstruction of Congress. The fact is Mulvaney. Mulvaney Giuliani Bolton. These people can tell you whether the president told them to do something the president and others have made it clear that he's willing into throw them under the bus so we don't know what they're going to do. Gordon sunlit responded to being thrown under the bus or threatened by throwing somebody else back the other side of this I mean this is assuming assuming that Mr Giuliani and Mr Bolton tell the truth before Congress which in the case of Mr Giuliani. I'm not willing to place however this idea that this is a democratic coup. Oh witch hunt. This is the most preposterous statement or allegation of them. All the call is coming from inside the House as they say and horror films. The people who you're going to impeach the President or Republicans Gordon Sunlen N- not exactly like anybody's idea of of the diplomats diplomat. A partisan. Hack doc if I may somebody who gave a lot of money to the to the trump campaign got a position he probably didn't deserve comes before Congress and said there was a quid pro quo. He's a Republican operative Kurt Volker a neoconservative of the McCain Stripe arguably tried to finance and manage a very difficult situation didn't exactly cover himself in. Glory has also delivered a verdict that yes there was something very dodgy going on here. John Bolton on the record to the press or quoted in looking drug-dealing John Bolton nobody's idea of a progressive liberal democratic operative Republicans are the ones coming forward and basically in providing the news with which this president's going to hang himself so the Devon Nunez. Jim Jordan line that this whole thing is a party political conspiracy. It's nonsense percents. It's nonsense on stilts. Fiona Hill is a non. I've known Fiona Hill for several years. I followed her work for a very long time. This is one of the most professional scholarly all early Russia analysts. There is by the way she's described often in the. US News Cycle is as a Kremlin Hawk not exactly very nuanced in her appraisal. Her biography which is one of the more insightful biographies of Vladimir Putin very cleverly it's almost a postmodern analysis she takes different archetypes of WHO Putin is and studies them and takes them in in isolation and then creates a composite. Not just the KGB case officer but the capitalist the status right and so on this is not somebody who who gets ahead of her skis with allegations and if you're listening to her that's the conclusion to come down fortunate. We're out of time for this discussion. But I love having with you guys. Thank you both Mike. Weiss and David Corn. Thanks for being with us. All all right coming up. Levin eager have made it into the impeachment investigation and now lives lawyer says love has is relevant to the investigation about Devon Nunez. The Minority Party Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee that is next. WOR Listeners Steve Kornacki here I wanNA tell tell you about a new. NBC News podcast. I'm hosting called article two inside impeachment. It's exclusively dedicated to bringing you the latest developments on the impeachment inquiry inquiry into president. Donald Trump. Every Monday Wednesday and Friday. I'm going to be talking to. NBC News reporters who are closest to the story to break down. What's new what what matters? And what it means for the twenty twenty election and our country since you love the last word. I thought you'd enjoy it. Search now for article two inside impeachment wherever You're listening to this podcast and subscribe for free. Thanks for listening. The indicted Ukrainian associate of Rudy. Giuliani says he has quote hard evidence of Donald Trump's misconduct in the plot to bribe Ukraine. Joseph Bondi is a lawyer for left parties. He tweeted quote. He has material so first hand evidence that is in our national interest to hear part of that evidence. We're learning also pertains to the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee this this man Devon newness another of parnassus lawyers. Ed McMahon told the daily beast earlier this week that parnes quote helped arrange meetings and it calls in Europe for Representative Devon Nunez in two thousand eighteen newness aid Derek. Harvey participated in the meetings. The lawyer said which were arrange to help newness. Investigative Work Mcmahon didn't specify what those investigations and tailed. End Quote. Betsy Woodruff Swans is reporting was entered into the congressional record during the impeachment. Hearing on Thursday Betsy Woodruff Swan is still working on the story. She joins us now. She's a politics reporter for the the daily beast at an MSNBC contributor. Also with us as I always love to have when we got complicated legal messes Barbara mcquade former US attorney from the Eastern District District of Michigan Annan MSNBC legal contributor. Thank you to both of you for being with US Betsy. Let's start with you. What is this new information about left? Parnis I can tell you that I spoke with Bondi. The lawyer you referred to earlier this evening. He told me to things that are new new for me to have confirms affirms. The first thing he said is that is that an aide to congressman. Nunez told Love Parnis that Nunez and his team were investigating the Biden family and a Ukrainian energy company called Barista where Joe Biden son. Hunter Biden was board member. Those topics were of of paramount. Importance to president trump and rudy. Giuliani trump and Giuliani pressure. The Ukrainian government to investigate bows specific topics apparently in hopes that such an investigation or the announcement of such an investigation would benefit trump. And the second thing that body told me is that a former Ukrainian prosecutor named Victor Shokhin. An important character told left Parnis that he had a meeting with Congressman Nunez in Vienna. Victor Shokhin is is a vital character in this story. He was a prosecutor in Ukraine widely accused of corruption who biden and other Western leaders. Basically Pushed out Biden and other European leaders told the Ukrainian government that they wouldn't get a financial aid package unless shokhin was ousted. Shokhin now has has claimed that the reason he was ousted was because he was scrutinizing burris. Ma and that Biden forced him out as part of a quid pro quo. The evidence belies those allegations signs but that allegation is something that president trump appears to have bought hook line and sinker. And it's part of what he was pressuring this Alinsky Administration gration to announce that they were scrutinizing back on that July twenty fifth phone. Come Out Barbara as you know. We study these things as journalists and people like Betsy report on them but the little we know about the law leads one to think that Devon Nunez was front and center in these hearings he was in all of the so called secret hearings the behind closed door hearings at Republicans accused Democrats have not letting Republicans into even though Devon Nunez was in all of them. He used to be the chair of the Intel Committee. He's the ranking member and he has been there all week Americans have watched this man all week. Eric's wall well who is on. The Intelligence Committee Committee entered Betsy reporting about Devin. Nunes into the record and said this Mr Chairman you have been falsely accused throughout route these proceedings by the ranking members being quote unquote fact witness now if the story is correct the ranking member may have actually been projecting not and in fact he have been he may be the fact witness if he's working with indicted individuals around our investigation. Now Barbara we've had this conversation about a few people over the last several months including the Attorney General Bill Bar if Devon newness went to Ukraine and is mixed stuck in this conversation one way or the other even if he was simply investigating by holding meetings with people who are sort of principles in this discussion how does that play into the fact that he is the ranking. Remember the lead Republican involved in these impeachment hearings. You know. There's a lot of layers to unpack here. I mean at one level. It's just as a fact finder who is supposed to be in kind of a position of serving as a check and balance on the executive branch if he himself is involved in investigating this on his own freelancing. It seems like he's got a recusals situation or a conflict of interest. I don't know how the rules work there with regard to members of Congress but it seems like he's intertwining a bit of his own involvement with along with his role oversight so that seems a little strange it also could be. The case depends on on the facts. If he is involved directly in obtaining thing of value in connection with an election he himself could be committing crimes campaign finance violations nations. If he's assisting president trump in getting dirt on Joe Biden knowing that there's no merit to the information in these investigations so problematic a couple a couple of levels. There Betsy from your reporting You say congressional records show newness travel to Europe from November thirtieth to December third two thousand eighteen scene three of his aides Harvey Scott Glazier and George Pompous traveled with emperor the records. US government funds paid for the group's four day trip which cost over sixty three thousand. That was you got this from public records. I don't know that I've heard Devon newness speak about this or speak openly feels like it would have been revelant relevant to bring up in in the in the proceedings. That said you're getting information from the lawyer of love a guy who has been charged with election offenses. How do we feel about the information that you're getting from the lawyer of life partners or information that originated with partners look look people are at their most credible when they are speaking under oath? I have no reason to believe that the information that Bondi has told me on the record is incorrect but it goes without saying without question that the statements that Bonnie is made would carry significantly more weight where Parnasse to say them on on the record and under oath to Congress so a big question that's open right now is whether our ass will end up going before Congress taking an I know and sharing what parnassus lawyer has shared with me now for us to do something like that. It would be incredibly risky in part of course because he's been indicted in the southern district of New York so one possible avenue that his lawyers could potentially pursue and which lawyers there's sometimes pursue when they have a client who both faces criminal exposure before the Justice Department but also has information. That's interesting to Congress one avenue they could look at is trying to get a specific type of immunity from Congress. Were part asks will make a deal with Capitol Hill that he wouldn't face criminal liability for the particular matters that he discussed before the House Intelligence Committee. Now it's unclear to me whether such deal will be cut whether the House intelligence committee eighty would think it was important enough to them to bring in Parnassus to make that kind of agreement but those agreements have been made in the past and it's clear that Parnasse at the very least had significant visibility into many of the topics that are at the heart of the impeachment inquiry. So Barbara put your prosecutor hat on now if a deal of such a deal that needed to be made. I'm sure Congress could make it if they thought that it was as betsy says important to have left us there. Is there some danger given what you've heard in the last week. Given the testimony from remarkably credible people feel on a hill and the like that America heard all week and we know that millions and millions of Americans were glued to do that testimony. This week is there some risk and getting involved in this there is at a couple of levels it may very well be that what he has to say is true and what the reporting is is true but a couple of problems with it. What is If if Congress or The Southern District of New York which is handling the criminal prosecution were interested in this information. His lawyers wouldn't need to be tweeting about it and having a public discussions about so it seems that they are trying to create some public pressure pressure to to get them to bite on this information and it seems that they're reluctant to buy either because they believe it not to be credible or it may be that they just don't want to go down this this road. At least not at this moment it may be that focusing on Devin nunes at this. Moment is a distraction The the testimony has been very focused. We've heard two weeks of very very compelling witness testimony and to now go down another rabbit hole talking about devin nunes is maybe just too far afield from the relevant impeachment inquiry focusing on the conduct of president trump. So it may just be they. Don't WanNa go down that road. The other thing is it gets complicated when you offer immunity to a witness to testify testify before Congress because it could preclude charges against him later by The Southern District of New York and they may want to continue to keep the heat on him to use use that as leverage to get information about Rudy Giuliani president trump or others and so there may be some some very good reasons that they're reluctant to deal with him. It's a complicated issue. Did need a little. It'll unpacking and we appreciate the help that you both give them both in your reporting in your analysis Betsy Swan and Barbara mcquade. Thanks to both of you coming up. John Bolton is back on twitter teasing using a back story but Democrats say he needs to tell in the deposition room. That's next the made the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. Twenty twenty election and more candid conversations. Some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off-camera listen for free wherever you get your podcast over national security adviser. John Bolton has returned to twitter after a two month absence Bolton claims at the White House is responsible for blocking his access to twitter. tweeting quote since resigning as National Security Advisor. The White White House refused to return access to my personal twitter account out of fear of what I might say to. Those who speculated I went into hiding. I'm sorry to disappoint in an interview on Fox and friends. President trump denied that the White House blocked Bolton in any way from twitter. John Bolton has just gone back on twitter twitter. He's his account was frozen for two months. Did you guys freeze his account. No of course not of course no. I actually had a good relationship with John. John Bolton's return to twitter many calling for him to do the right thing and testify before Congress in the impeachment inquiry Bolton did not show up to his schedule deposition with the impeachment investigators earlier this month despite being a key witness of the events surrounding trump's interactions with Ukraine. Joining me to make more sense of this Jennifer Rubin and opinion writer at the Washington Washington Post and an MSNBC contributor and Tim Miller the former communications director for Jeb Bush's two thousand sixteen presidential campaign spokesman for the Republican Lucan National Committee. He's now a contributor to the bulwark. Welcome to both of you. Thank you for being here. Jennifer John Bolton is doctrinaire air in his conservative thinking. It was puzzling to some people that he got himself mixed up with Donald Trump. It's suited him. Because he's got some hawkish views on a few things that Donald trump was willing to indulge at this point though he doesn't seem to have any particular loyalty to Donald Trump and he seems to be signaling to everyone that he's got something to say. What do you make of this well? Well first of all the most interesting thing about that is repeated one of his disputes with Donald Trump. And that is. He resigned remembered when he resigned. Trump claimed to him and and that just reminds us that he has no love lost for Donald Trump. It's very interesting. He put that in there. Listen I think John Bolton has a book and apparently certainly has a book deal giving speeches to investment banking groups and making a lot of money so he is making money off of his story and if he comes and tells that story for free under oath to Congress. It's not worth that much so I hate to say it but I think part of this is greed part of this financial. I annual greet the notion that he has to get permission from a court is nonsense. Fiona Hill didn't get permission. Coordin- silent didn't get permission. All of these people knew do that. Any order from the White House to testify was based on a bogus absolute immunity defense and they came up and they did their patriotic duty. So why John Bolton hiding behind field and a hill skirts well part of it is money and part of me is because he lives within this right wing echo sphere on these his friends these are his supporters. These are the people who donate to his super PAC and so I think he's trying to have it both ways trying to be very cute and stay in the public eye. He's he's trying to maintain his credibility but at the same time. He is not doing his patriotic duty. His helping to get to the bottom of this. And so in that case he is really enabling Donald Trump and indirectly indirectly Vladimir Putin warriors. Helping him as well. Tim John Paul's lawyer in a letter on November eight to the house. General counsels at Bolton was personally involved in many of the the events meetings and conversations about which you have already received testimony as as many as well as many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet been discussed in the testimonies thus far so I sorta get the fact that he's trying to make money out of the whole thing but he does seem to constantly be baiting. Somebody somebody into saying you need to talk to me. Do you think there's material information that he has that could help. Turn because Mulvaney Bolton and Giuliani actually. We know what happened of course material information that he has. I think that he's got some really good book. Agents who are doing a great job teasing his book and he definitely has material information on Ukraine. But I want to put a finer points Jennifer mentioned it was reported by you guys here. MSNBC at one of those investment banks paid speeches closed-door meeting. He implied applied something. That would be really one of the five biggest scandals in American history. He implied that the president made decisions. Turkey allowed our Kurdish allies to get slaughtered because because of personal and business interests that he has he made that as a throwaway line in a private speech. I think this was somebody who is acting in. Good faith with these leaks. This is this something that wanted to participate with the process and he had information that led him to lead that the president was making life or death decisions based on his financial business interests something that it is literally unprecedented in modern history. You had gone to Congress he would have gone to a reporter and investigative reporter. He would have gone to through the legal chancer information at a private dinner with investment bankers. So I thought that that one anecdote just showed where his motivation really is. And lastly just briefly yeah. He wants a future in this party and so he understands that if he goes does a full face turn against Donald Trump. That's not there and so unlike. Some of the other people who I think are leaving the administration Bulldozer is bread is buttered. That's interesting Jennifer because John Bolton has been a conservative for a very riveria very long time he could have a future in a party that doesn't involve Donald Trump one day for Republicans. As you often think about fantasize about if Republicans can take party back the doesn't involve Donald Trump a guy like John Bolton can have a role in it. He's not a dumb guy he's a bit can be a bit dug in but he's he knows his stuff. What's the cost of John Bolton doing this because he's got real information that was testified to by Fiona Hill and others where he called it a drug deal. He said that this thing that Giuliani and Donald trump were doing was drug deal meaning. He knew something was wrong. I don't think he'd literally really thought they were dealing drugs. He's he's now the guy who can decide the outcome of this I think he's betting that in the short term he avoids any blame amy and he attacks from the president and if this all washes out donald trump gets either impeach and remove gets voted out. No one will hold John on Bolton responsible for having been quiet during this so he's hoping this all washers through and there he is standing out and firm without without dirt on his hands regarding Ukraine. And he's there to pick up the pieces. I think the problem with that is twofold one is he will be blamed for this. I'm he was in an administration that was doing Putin's dirty work and the notion that he had no idea what was going on and could not stop it. I think is preposterous. So Oh I think for his own good he needs to clear the record and clean up the record. What did he know about Donald Trump's obsession with Putin? What steps did he take to dissuade the president from going down this rabbit hole of conspiracy theories so I think for his own credibility he needs to step away and say this? This is what I was doing. I was being the good soldier. I was stopping this. He hasn't done that and I think he's at risk Jennifer Tim hold on. We're going to be right back. We have breaking news moments ago. The State Department released nearly one hundred pages of records records in response to American oversights lawsuit seeking a range of documents related to the trump administration's dealings with Ukraine. You might have heard Rachel talking about about this on her show. Those documents have just been released and joining us now by phone is Austin rivers the executive director of ethics watchdog group. American American Oversight Austin. Thank you for joining me. I've just looking at your press release about these documents. You're saying that among the records they include e mails males that confirm multiple contacts in March of this year between Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo and Rudy Giuliani. At least one of which which was facilitated by the president's assistant Madeleine West or how tell me what you are learning. I imagine you've just received these documents that you haven't fully had a chance to go through them. Thanks so much for having me on. Yes we we are so re reviewing them. We wanted to get them out to the public as quickly as possible because transparency is so important on these issues and you will download. You've you've made them. We did. They are available on our website. American oversight Dot Org and you can follow on twitter account we are oversight. We'll be pulling pulling out the snippets all night long and into the coming days But you summarized it well. The documents show a clear paper trail connecting not just Rudy Giuliani. I need to Mike Pompeo but being connected by the Oval Office President Trump's personal assistant metal in Western House Weser House serving as a conduit. But when Rudy Giuliani can't get through to Pompeo through quote regular channels. The president's personal assistant makes that connection to happen based on the timing which around March of this year it looks apparent that this was a connection to ensure that Rudy Giuliani smear campaign against a sitting. US ambassador made it to Mike. POMPEII owes desk. This is just the first disclosures that American overseas litigation is going to expose so a major message. I want people to understand. Is that while the administration has refused to turn these documents over to Congress. The STONEWALL is cracking and we're going to get regular document productions from the State Department and other agencies to make sure the truth comes out this is I want to underscore this point. These are documents that the congressional investigation has been asking asking the State Department to produce. They've asked Mike pompeo to do this. The State Department has refused to hand over this information. You then sued under a Freedom Freedom of information application. That's correct If you look at these documents you can understand why Mike pompeo wouldn't want Congress to have them and why Congress has been complaining meaning For the last two weeks that they haven't received I believe the quote is a single scrap of paper from Mike Pompeo here it is are basically his call sheets showing multiple phone conversations with Rudy Giuliani. At what looks to be the beginning of the scheme to to smear the ambassador. We have other lawsuits Already pending and end soon More to come that are going to focus on different aspects of the scandal from the withholding aid to to contact later in time With Mike Pompeo and other senior officials so again either just the the first disclosures and for a first round connects scandal directly to the oval. Office seems pretty pretty significant so when you say the first round of disclosures have you got active other applications freedom of information applications in right. Now we do Ah I don't want to give you an exact count. But it's in the dozens of open foia requests. I'll tell you what we've been doing We listened to all the testimony and we read all these deposition transcripts. If a witness describes the document and Congress says it doesn't have access the freedom of Information Act means that we can get it. We can sue for it and we'RE GONNA force it out into the open and if it takes pass a Senate impeachment trial to get all the evidence out we're going to keep fighting for it. Let me ask you this though. The State Department obviously has some reasoning reasoning. The the executive branch offers reasoning as to why they won't provide this to Congress. And for guys like me you think well they must have thought this through someone must have explained to somebody why they can't release it. You are obviously under freedom of information getting someone to disclose this. I want to just read from your press. Release where you say. That American oversight could obtain obtain these documents establishes that there is no legal basis for the administration to withhold them from Congress that that's a simple statement but it's kind of remarkable a couple if you can get them why can our elected officials not get these documents. The reason obstruction the only reason that a document document that a citizen like me and the and the members of my team can get can't go to Adam Schiff or even Devon Nunez is because of obstruction and and it shows the power of the courts again coming in to tell the president and his allies that they have to follow the law. Even if the they don't WanNa turn things over sort of Congress so I mean I I don't know what to say About whether the State Department and the administration should have anticipated this they probably should look at the articles of impeachment against former president For President Clinton and President Nixon they include obstruction charges And I think the White House should ask itself should be pursuing a total obstruction strategy if the obstruction of justice is not even going to be effective and to be clear. American oversight site has no special standing. You are as you just described yourself a citizen you are group. I think pretty good litigators. But no. That's true right. I mean in other words you you you are doing doing this as an American as an American citizen as a group of Americans citizens asking for this information you don't have unique standing why you should get this versus anybody else. That is correct so now that we have extracted these documents that means that they belong to the American public. They are public record. Anyone can read them and they belong to you. When you file this you receive the you you receive the documents from the office manager to the Secretary of State? That's actually one of the emails that you've got. Where do you get these? Who says it's okay when you file the application Who adjudicates that? You are entitled to these documents when it works well. A political career civil servants collect documents and apply the law to determine what can be made public classified as it is a privilege and they fired actions and they release them so For the last two weeks we've seen dedicated civil service. Risk servants defy orders not to testify to go up to talk to Congress. They're also unnamed heroes in agencies across the government who are going to apply the law. Insure that the freedom of Information Act is not thwarted. By this White House's efforts to obstruct and frankly American oversight that really the public re large owes them a debt of gratitude attitude for all the work that they do every day on this and many other. I mean that is kind of incredible and I don't want to beat a dead horse but I think we need to completely illustrate what we're talking about here. Documents documents that members of Congress congressional committees investigating the President asked the State Department for that. Were not turned over. You made the freedom of information applications for and you have received now the first trunch of these documents one hundred documents about one hundred pages worth of documents that illustrate a connection between between Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo and Rudy Giuliani as it related to Ukraine involving. The president's assistant Madeleine West or at least one of the documents contains that so you have got information that until now the State Department and the executive have been stonewalling Congress from getting Adam. Schiff said they haven't gotten a single scrap of paper Labor. We just got more than that. But I should really underscored. That's not because Congress isn't trying to do its job. It's not because it's not asking for these. It's because the White House and the administration situation have decided to obstruct the impeachment inquiry. They don't have a plan to obstruct the freedom of Information Act which is backed by article three courts and it's the major hole in their strategy. And it's finally coming to pay off Austin. Thank you for joining me. We look forward to looking through these documents. And more that you get Austin is the executive director. Rector of American oversight Jennifer Rubin and Tim Miller are standing by a bed listening to everything. That Austin Miller said we're GONNA talk more with them after this final break stay list. We have breaking news now. American oversight Group has sued for freedom of information releases of documents that the State Department has now turned over more than one hundred documents have just been turned. Over to American oversight oversight that can be found on American oversight Dot Org however I just checked in that website appears to be down probably because so many people are trying to find these one hundred documents. They include emails emails that confirm contact in March of two thousand and nineteen between the Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo and Donald Trump's lawyer rudy rudy. Giuliani as it related to Ukraine One of those contact was facilitated by at least one by the way was facilitated by president. Trump's assistant madeline madeleine western. The State Department has released these pages to American oversight. American oversight has immediately put it on its website so that everybody in the world can download it and it appears that many people in the world are trying to download it right now. American oversight has released a statement saying we can now see why Mike Mike Pompeo has refused to release this information to Congress it reveals a clear paper trail from Rudy Giuliani to the Oval Office to Secretary Pompeo to facilitate Giuliani smear smear campaign against a US ambassador. If you're watching Rachel show earlier tonight you will know that a federal judge did give the State Department until midnight tonight late ruling today to turn these documents over. They have turned the documents over now. American oversights saying that they could obtain these documents establishes that there is is no legal basis for the administration to withhold them from from Congress. Jennifer Rubin and Tim Miller are back with us. They were with me. We were all in the middle of a discussion when this all happened. Jennifer this feels like a fairly substantial development because the State Department denied congressional requests efforts and subpoenas to turn over these documents documents and a group of American citizens. Got It with the freedom of information a application absolutely and when my ears picked up protect it was when he said they have dozens of these out there so every separate matter that we have been hearing about for the last two weeks may turn over more documents on on. This just goes to show you that once you start peeling back. The curtain on all sorts of things come out and Congress is going to be very interested in all of this. I think they're gonNA. I want to see all of these documents. So They WanNa have hearings on some of these and they may lead to new witnesses. What's so significant about? This is remember what is going on in March wjr Rudy and his henchmen are trying to cook up all sorts of rumors to get rid of our anti corruption fighting ambassador career in the in Ukraine. Mike pompeo is doing nothing to prevent that. Mike pompeo refuses to put out a statement in support of his ambassador. Bashar works for the State Department. And he's the boss of the State Department and he won't protect his people right so is he facilitating. This is he. Is he helping rudy. Giuliani or is he objecting to it. He certainly knows it's going on and remember. That was the step. Yup that was the predicate for then launching on this effort essentially extort Ukraine in addition to whatever other financial deals that Rudy Giuliani. He was pursuing the heads to get her out of the way this puts him right in the middle of this I think he has extreme liability and remember. He has not even recused himself himself from deciding whether to turn over these documents. He took a federal court to force. So that is completely unacceptable. He's behaving in a completely inappropriate manner. He's a lawyer and he should know his legal obligations. I think this is huge. I think it's huge to to. Here's the thing Ellie. And this gets lost right in the back and forth forth in the muck and the Meyer of trying to figure out all the details but the biggest takeaway from the sunland testimony was. None of this was a secret. This is the thing they were on. aww Right Pompeo knew what was happening. Pence does having Mulvaney. Did the president did and the only reason that the administration has not just fallen back on the original Mulvaney. Rainy press conference answer which was get over. It was the president will just not allow it because of his ego. And so we have to go through this bs this misinformation where they try how to pretend like there might not have been a quid pro quo. They tried to pretend like. Maybe this wasn't as bad as it looks. It is as bad as it looks and eventually the more information that comes out We'll continue to see more details of that and the question is does that. Actually turn anyone. I think that is a big question. That is a big question. But these are actually documents and into Jennifer's point American oversight has said this quote this is just the first round of disclosures. The evidence is only going to get worse for the administration as it stolen law strategy collapses lapses in the face of court. Orders was a court order. This is one of what he said are dozens of applications. More than one hundred documents. Jennifer Rubin Tim Miller. Thank you for joining us. That's tonight's last word. Hey It's Chris Hayes. Sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught of news and take our broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is this happening exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change? 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John Early | GOP Senators Block Witnesses in Trump Impeachment Cover-Up: A Closer Look

"Kylie Jenner celebrated her two year old daughter. stormies birthday this weekend. By setting up a custom amusement park called stormy world world incidentally stormy world also what trump calls Puerto Rico from thirty Rockefeller Plaza in New York City lease. Enjoy this podcast. Edition of late night with Seth Meyers today show. Seth talks to comedian and actor Jon. Early plus Johnston's around answer a few more questions backstage next eight it's g but first a closer look. Republicans have all but completed their cover up said the president's crimes they blocked witnesses and move to acquit him for more on this. It's time for a closer look. The trump is not just a very dumb man. He's also a very weird man definitely believes things that are dumb but he also believes. There's things that are weird and dumb I. There are your garden variety. Dumb things like yesterday when you congratulate the Super Bowl champions the Kansas city chiefs on twitter and said you represented represented the great state of Kansas and back the entire USA very well which would have been fine except the chiefs are based in Kansas City Missouri. Now I know it's confusing that there are a to Kansas City to a middle schooler. Who's just finding out about it? But I guess we can expect the president of the United States to keep track of all the states. I mean he knows that the red ones ones are the ones that like him and Florida's the one that looks like a penis germ really being done because there's no cost from his base trump supporter reporter in head of the American conservative Union match. Slap tweeted Dear East Coast Establishment. Kansas City Kansas is in Kansas which is true but that's not where the chiefs each blaze. So it's irrelevant. That would be like me saying match. Slap sounds like slang for the sound of mix when you fart and Yoga class relevant eleven now. Those are the standard sorts of dumb. Things were accustomed to hearing from our president but then there are the weird or dumb things example. Here's a weird dumb thing. Trump believes he seems to think that stealth else military jets which use technology to avoid detection by radar and other means literally invisible to the naked eye something. He said many times including at a speech in Michigan again last week I know everybody. Here in Michigan supports our armed forces as much as any place Michigan. And that's why we're giving strong consideration. Deploying some of our mighty F thirty five's to Selfridge Air National Guard right back and you know what that means right. You know what that means. That's a big deal so selfridge you're going to see a lot of very fast planes. Actually they're totally only stealth. So maybe you won't see them. Come in okay. You won't see him coming in coming in. He genuinely thinks stealth means invisible. His brain is only only capable of thinking in cartoons he actually believes the military has developed. The same technology is wonder woman agreed. Silver's they're fighting isis with their bracelets it's in Golden Lassos. Honestly there's a good chance we could prank trump by leading him down a jetway and telling Mr President we'd like you to be the first man to board the invisible At thirty five and they just watch him ball face first onto the runway. It and you know what sound it would make when he hits the tarmac match slap on Friday trump gave another speech where he did his usual stick of bragging about stuff he hasn't actually done like for example the jobs numbers but also decided to give his daughter. Ivanka shouted as well well. Now as you watch this clip just remember that about six point. Seven million jobs have been created during trump's presidency. And hey well that's great. It's also incidentally lower than eight million jobs created aided in roughly the same period of time at the end of Barack Obama's presidency. Just remember that so many jobs trump and Obama created in roughly three years each about fourteen point seven million William combined. Now here's the president on Friday talking. About how many jobs. His daughter had supposedly created. Ivanka has been a champion for administrative and legislative legislative actions to combat human trafficking and true heart. She has said this issue has been so important to her. This and making sure people are ready to work. And and she's now created over fifteen million jobs for the people of our country one of the reasons our unemployment numbers the best ever fifteen million and she's created fifteen million jobs. I don't even know what her job is. I mean I think she works with at risk teens. I don't in this point. I don't think he's even consciously making up these numbers. I think they just randomly pop into his head like ping pong balls. They use the lottery today. I take Amelia's numbers. Were five billion. Deranged mind an adult man who is incapable of wielding the tremendous power. He holds Republicans are deeply committed to allow them to keep that power by any means. Necessary takes Senator Lamar Alexander for example. He was considered a possible. Swing vote for allowing additional witnesses. Mrs But ended up voting against it on Sunday. Alexander was asked if by quitting trump. He would be emboldening the president to once again seek foreign interference to cheat in an election. Something trump has already already done twice now and Alexander insisted. Trump wouldn't do it again. Are you at all concerned though when you seek foreign interference he does not believe he's done anything wrong that that what has happened here might encourage him that he can continue to do this. I don't think so. I hope not. I mean enduring. An impeachment is something that nobody should like. Even the president said. He didn't want that on his resume. I don't blame him so if a call like that. Get you an impeachment. I would think you would think twice before he did it again. Yeah think twice. He doesn't even think once he's like one of those single celled organisms that only reacts to light and heat but as the vote to acquit trump approaches on Wednesday. This is the argument. Republicans have arrived at they literally. Just don't care. Even if there are more witnesses who could attest trump's criminality for example on Friday. We got yet another bombshell. I'm Sally from a manuscript written by trump's former national security adviser John Bolton trump told directly that he wanted to force Ukraine to dig up dirt on Democrats ambassador. John Bolton claims suppressed trump's pressure campaign on Ukraine began much earlier than was previously reported. The New York Times reports president trump directed John Bolton and his National National Security Advisor to help his pressure campaign to extract damaging information on Democrats in Ukrainian officials. Article Goes on to say. Mr Trump gave the instruction Mr Bolton Road during an Oval Office conversation in early May that included the acting White House chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. The president's personal lawyer Rudolph Giuliani and the White House counsel Pat Sip Baloney. Who is now leading the president's impeachment defense think about that trump literally said the crime was doing out loud in the Oval Office and there were multiple witnesses? This is at least Nixon tried to keep his secret. If trump had tapes CDs selling them in Times Square guys check out my mix tape. There's more where that came from. It was a side note here. Just want to say the way boldness handle this has been gross. He was already bad guy but now he's selectively leaking damning evidence that the president's criminality just to sell a book instead of coming forward and telling everyone what he knows. If you know someone who's planning to rob a bank you call the cops immediately. You don't wait a year and then published a book called remember. Remember that bank got robbed. I knew about it. There's still now we know not only did trump say what the crime was. There were multiple people presence Senate Republicans could called any of these guys guys to testify. Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and yet they voted not to hear many of them. Here's how Alexander explained his vote to block witnesses during an interview with NPR. I don't need to hear any more evidence to decide that the president did what he's charged with doing. So if you've got eight witnesses saying thing that you lift the scene of an accident you don't need nine. That's not what happened. It's more like trump caused the accident by driving golf car through the front door of a Wendy's stayed at the scene of the accident. Eating fries of other people's plates called a press conference Brag that it was a perfect accident then tweeted in all camps no collision another Republican's weekly joined in on the cover up Alaska's Senator Lisa Murkowski admitted in a statement that I have come to the conclusion. There will not the affair trial in the Senate and Florida. Senator Marco Rubio said just because actions mean a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove the president from office. Think about that. They're literally just announcing it to the world. We're doing a cover up. We won't hold a fair trial and even if he's guilty we won't remove him from office they might as well come out and say remember all that Confetti from the Super Bowl those those were documents from the White House we shred it. See this one says let's do crimes but the most shameless is bonds to the vote on Friday. Came from Senator Lindsey Graham who celebrated the GOP cover up some colorful language on Fox News Friday night. You know what I believe about all this. It was a bunch of partisan in the house it continued in the Senate is GonNa End Wednesday. The presents going get acquitted. Just GonNa blow up in their face while Lindsey Buckingham Borough Gov Montgomery Long stree- winchester in just a gram. You your mom remind you. You're on the air waves of a decent all American family gentle Fox Fox News the search standup personalities. Roger Ailes Bill O'Reilly and America's scream heart Janine Pirro gop cover up and the likely the vote to acquit trump on Wednesday should steal it once and for all the Republican Party is totally and completely devoted to a corrupt imbecile who thinks planes are invisible and doesn't know their to Kansas City's all Republicans care about is clinging to power they're supposed respect for the founders and the rule of law was a fraud and a scam and every time they lecture the rest of us about the sanctity of the Constitution. It was all this has been a closer look very funny actor comedian. You know from shows like search party and at home with Amy Sedaris he directs Jacqueline. Novak get on your knees which is running at the Lucille Nortel Theater through February sixteenth. Please welcome back to the show our a friend John early. Everybody God John. How good how are you? Congratulations -gratulations on the shirt. And just the is up here. Young is up here very hard guy. I know these these are my nipples. Not just keep it up here you guys. I saw that right who keeps looking and in this climate. It's just it's I'm sorry I will do my shirt when you see the shirt right away or do you like I have to have it. Well actually stole this from the wardrobe with search party. Oh Wow this show. Yeah thank you no I just asked were department if I could borrow it for the show so thank you matthew we. I'm I'm trying to get the timeline right. We didn't we need it. Amy Schumer is wedding was the first that was before you were on the show. We did at Amy Schumer's wedding and a I was a fan of yours but I did not see you. I was because you married Amy Schumer and her husband Chris Fisher who I've known way away actually a new before eight and two shooting but you you married them. I officiated there was yes you did it in character so how you did it as a character of yours named Vicky Vicky with Avi. Yeah how did this come about. I got a text from amy who I barely knew at that that point. I want to be like less than a week before her wedding. I got a text. Her that said will you officiate. My Wedding Adele backed out and for those of you in the audience at home. Who are thinking who is he who even is? You're not wrong. It's like a Dell back down. We got it back. Companies have very different kind of career milestones. Yeah Yeah but she. She asked me which I thought was kind of very punk and kind of like you know she was she at that. Point was a fan of the characters which Vicky was on the Netflix show the second episode and that no one and she was always kind of championing that show Oh and very very kind of evangelical about a very sweet me about it and that's kind of all that I even that was the depth of our entire relationship and you and she asked you to write it she will. She asked me to do it as myself. Which I was like? You know because it was like because that suggests a level of intimacy couple that frankly did not have and so I was horrified and then I said yes because I was like I can't say no because we bow down to me and and then the next morning I she. He texted me. She read my mind. She was like well. You Vicki and I was like that's genius because I feel like with Vicky who's kind of a southern Christian mom you know. She's a she's a road comic. Populist Likes Denim. She loves denim. She's always looking for her. Denim is her catchphrase. Don't cross my Christian ask US looking for my dentist literally makes no sense. I was so high when I wrote it. And but yes. She asked me to as which was like. This is perfect. 'cause I feel like I can strike the right balance of like funny but also sincerity. Because because I'm sure you agree with me. It's like I feel like it's easier to tell the truth when you're wearing a wig there was something also there was very little full explanation. It should be like. I'm I was familiar with you. I was familiar with Mickey. I think I was in the suite of the minority of people into wedding. Well this is the night before I was so so scared. I was just so overwhelmed by the pressure of officiating. A wedding so you know and and and and I was like well I need to know who's on the guest list so I can like you know maybe roast them a little bit you you know and I asked. I made the mistake of asking the wedding planner. Who was there? And it was like Jake Joan Hall Jennifer Lawrence Little Larry David Lauren. Hutton like I was like my second screen. Count cash cow so yeah but but I was. I was like none of these people. Not The only thing. They're not gonNA know who this woman is Vicky. They're certainly got knocked then somehow determined from under the makeup that it's me and even if they even if I looked like myself as take who you know so it was like many layers of terror and like when I was up there. There's a lot of luck and I think. Also the the point is that she isn't kind of Gorgeous Lace Front Wig. It's Very Realistic Dragon. Yeah beautiful hyper real makeup. You know it's not like I did pass. Yeah hasn't you didn't immediately think Oh. This is a male comedians drag. This is nicky with and putting we actually have a clip of the wedding. Yes and listen to what I I said. Yeah this isn't by the way again. We do not know each other at the time and this made me cackle out loud. Let's take dearly beloved sent Meyers today. Jewish sweating so kind of you just like a little virgin and Chris my God what do I have to do to ooh. No no with you can throw some Mrs Dash on me and Saute Pan until Golden Brown. Kristen Amy's love is that it is an evolved love. It's too great grownups who are simply ready to hold onto each other real tight as our great nation burns to the ground around and I totally when the wedding planner told me that you were in the audit. I felt so safe. Oh that's very even though we didn't know each other I did feel disconnection of course has become arguably Ghibli you you mentioned being scared which is which makes sense? But it's surprising because you were very confident perform now. This confidence came very early on. You brought you news in Highschool get this interview but keep going how. How did this come about? I was gone in Tennessee. I I WANNA be clear. I'm not pretending that I don't know clips coming up. There's there's nothing worse than the what I WanNa make it clear you I know we got it. I yeah we had our research team dig and I think you'll be shocked at what they found. No it's not that I know. I've brought the clip. But now I'm having dawning horror like oh no no no because it is so profoundly embarrassing but okay so it's me in high school. There was a we group a national. Imagine the horror and and the new doing a local news segment on like abstinence As part of teen sex education and like my guidance counselor for some reason like all ask fourteen year olds to talk about sex. And I'll ask John clearly and not out to like walk into the lion's den and like talk casuing doing comfortably about sex when I wasn't out but were you when you went and sat down on this. I was made for this or were you. That's that's what typically happens like tonight for example it's like I'm like backstage in the see through shirt. I got this and the second of all. I hear him like loops. And now that's what what happened. That's what happened here you'll notice. There is a kind of outward confidence but there is an inward total. Just lack of clarity just like free. Free wheeling like I'm not saying anything if you look at the dry transcript of when it would make no well. Let's see if this is helpful to fourteen year olds right now who might be wondering about sex ax. EAMONN Anthony John earlier just beginning high school at university school but they know a lot about sex is not this whole like what is sexy. Now you know it is therefore you have the choice to do it or not. You know. It's not this big question just like it's not being hit from you all the time I think. I think it's probably better that we're exposed to it. Thanks I know I also know that you did high school theater. Yes Was this I mean you were very passionate about. Yes well again this kind of like you saw the confidence in the clip or the impression of confidence. It's but yes it was very very type A.. Aggressive feeder student. I was very competitive. I was very I was very. I would like kind of go to other schools and watch their production. The report back to our drama teacher like like they have a revolving set. I was like meanwhile we have. Our sums are up our asses with peeling back. I would go like see show choirs and not only are they competing they place. We're not Liam competing. I would like threaten to leave the school. I truly drama totally get in shape and do some Moliere. I'm walking with this. How did your drama? The teacher respond to you. He must have. I'm assuming I WANNA give him credit. He must have known or him or her. You had talent is that do you think that's eighth were they. Did they want when they wanted to placate did they take it seriously. They really yes sir. Yes Sir and they're like curly Oklahoma your homeland sky. I WanNa talk before you go We've had jacqueline on the show a couple of times. She is the best she is. This show is the best thing. It is A show you directed you've known him for a long time. This is a About eighty minute one woman show You could call it stand up. I think it's a little bit more than that poetry for real it's really It is all about and that is it. True thing is yet the most poetic Most beautifully whitten incredibly And and It must be an incredible thing to work. It's been the great honor my life honestly on it with her and I can't believe she had me do it and use that. My boyfriend painted this painting. And it's a beautiful painting. It's a beautiful. The painting of Jacqueline Hand Really. Yeah like Jacqueline this about you to love. This could the everybody else. This is Henry from John. Do we come clean about our relationship. We're friends we're friends. We know each department up. Oh yeah I know it really did and it was not that long ago. All right. We're just thinking saw my apartment and also that we're only God. You know what I didn't tell you that I took out a copy of American pastoral from my Roth you give it back. I know I gave it back. I want you to know that it's not gonNA start a love letter with Philip. Roth isn't that right a love letter. Yeah Yeah I love some people say it's hard to love a love affair. A love affair saying Irish like I was looking to your bookcase one night when I couldn't sleep and I was like I need to just read Philip Roth because I can't keep pretending keeping clutching my chest at parties. Mainly I know he's great. You know and and just fully faking it so I like I read that book and it rocked my world. He is one of those authors that you just have to say you know yeah totally. I don't remember the weirdest thing in your apartment but the weirdest experienced the first night we were there. I told you yes go. How do you describe your house? That's a beautiful Bungalow CRAFTSMAN IN LA and cheap imitation of a craftsman. But it's still beautiful. It's very beautiful and I woke up convinced there was an intruder in her house to us. All the time is your window in the bedrooms. Ed Rooms like right next to kind of a walkway other Housley and my wife woke up to me screaming. Hello Hello Hello and I walked around your house trying to find who I thought maybe it was like a housekeeper or a robber or just random person. Strolling through. That happens to mean Gordon all the time because of the seventy two the neighbors and like literally. He's woken up just like exact same thing. Screaming like given Mazen video online called. Rachel yes not quite an intruder but about a mystery person on on your actual house. She was technically as an intruder. Okay well you explain this explain. There's a great video online. The John McCullough Rachel explained it's based on events. Well yes I made it to be clear with Andrew Young in Cape Brilliant Who I work with frequently and And basically this. I had a party one night by the barely. A party casual spontaneous and he's get together with like seven people and makes it so much we're yes exactly and all those people were kind of as letting them into the front door and in that way the people this girl that never seen before ran up the stairs in so confidently. It was like I have to the bathroom and because she was so confident and because I'm afraid of conflict I was like okay. Okay but I also just assumed she was a friend of a friend disparate. There were friends of friends there that I'd never met so I just let her in. And then it took us all like an hour to like slowly realize we were questioning each other back in my kitchen. I was like interrogating. Everyone at the party was like do you know you know like do you know her you know and we were like drunk in high and then we had to kick her out of the House and it was. It was terrifying. What was that confrontation like? Exactly how we tried to recreate create it exactly in this short moment for moment I mean there were. We took liberties with the narrative like certain events but like the confrontation is pretty much identical golic. She literally was like. I live on Rowena as an excuse for intruding in my house like I live five minutes away. We're like and you a lot then took your shoes. WHO's off started talking to us for an you know so crazy and then she just left and you never you never figured it out? Yeah we never figured it out and we've never we haven't been contacted by her since since the wild success of the short short is very good. Thank you I want to say quickly. That was just one of my favorite interviews on this show. Henry was so funny and it wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that if I didn't know you the opposite is what it really was so funny and you were saying earlier that you you watch like tons of talk shows as a kid who what what shows do you want what guests kind of stood out to you like the triumvirate are Amy Sedaris. Stephanie Sandra Bernhardt. Yes and Teri Garr all all on Letterman. Yeah and I just love. It's so fun to see. I think that's part of why like never know I'm doing good job. Because I'm like haunted by their like the barley they set you know but like they're just I'm so in love with them all as performers respectively but like to see them in kind and I'm conversational note and I'll just see them kind of disrupt the like standard talk show behavior by being flirtatious totally unsettling the host. It's like it's like like part of why I was like I'm going to wear a see through shirt. It was such a the Caesar's shirt is it's such. It's you know it's the shirt around the world. It's the shirt of CON- Gordon Lexington. You're still wearing it and it's distracting shirt. The shirt her in the world brought it to another kind of revolutionary war tate at the Boston. Tea Party shirts yes thank you. You're welcome thank you betsy. Ross made the shirt. It's so abstract I don't know we're talking about keep going. When did you kind of have a sense of like who you want it to be as a performer and comedian? I mean I guess when I was like I just was always obsessively watching like funny women in the Middle Schooler or even as an elementary school student. I was like you know much like every day you know and I always knew that I wanted to do something like that. That and then like but then as I got a little more into high school and like fell in love with candy. You know like even late like when I got out is is clicked comeback enlightened like these like I've always. I don't know those things. Those things really shaped me and made me WanNa do like like play those kinds of characters and then as far as like performance live performance. I was always kind of like out of pure necessity. I got to perform the only thing that kind of makes sense for me as a performance. kind of a Sandra Bernhardt. Eli Yeah Vibe. I don't you tons of standup always performing not as much anymore. You're too you busy with TV. We'll stop it's true. Well would plug today. That was crazy but no it's that and then it's it's also like you get to a point. I met like this. I point of like I've burned through all the kind of first impulses as as a stand up and I'm like who am I and I'm experiencing a little stand up Malays right now. I'm sure it's GONNA come back. I hope back because I love doing it. You're so good at it really fantastic. John Thank you so much for being with real. I'm so happy that you liked it. Oh my God it was so good to see you. 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Two Former Ambassadors Weigh In On A Week Of Impeachment Proceedings

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Two Former Ambassadors Weigh In On A Week Of Impeachment Proceedings

"This is one A.. I'm Joshua Johnson in Washington. The impeachment hearings continue today as before we can expect some dramatic and revealing testimony. Mostly from America's diplomats career and politically weekly appointed employees of the state and defence departments have laid out. How president trump's dealings with Ukraine's president affected their work representing and protecting the United States dates? The Foreign Service doesn't much attention but it has in these hearings including testimony from key figures like ambassador. Gordon Sunland what did we learn from them this week. And how will it affect the impeachment process joining us from WJ CT in Jacksonville. Florida is Nancy Soderberg a former deputy national security the advisor and former ambassador to the UN Ambassador Soderberg. Welcome to one A.. Thank you so much for having me Ambassador Soderberg. Let's start with Gordon Sunland. Who is the US ambassador to the European Union? He testified yesterday and said that he was following the president's orders with the full knowledge of other top officials like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo Ao. When he Mr Sunlen Ambassador Sunland was pressuring the Ukrainians to investigate the president's political rivals? He called it a clear quid pro quo and he began his testimony in a way. That really did the White House. No favors I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form form of a simple question was there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting leading. The answer is yes. Mr Giuliani conveyed to secretary. Perry Ambassador Volker and others that president trump wanted a public statement from presidents Alinsky committing to investigations of Barista and the two thousand sixteen election. Mr Giuliani Elhiani expressed those requests directly to the Ukrainians. and Mr Giuliani also expressed those requests directly to us. We all understood that these prerequisites for the White House call and the right White House meeting reflected president trump's desires and requirements ambassador Soderberg. How Big Gadiel was this revelation? It wasn't the first time that we've heard witnesses say this. But how big a deal was it. That Gordon Sunland sent us a very big McDill. This is an individual who clearly had a direct line to the president as opposed to you know hearsay. He has first evidence and very clearly stated The president held up critical security eight and a White House meeting in exchange for political favors. So it it put a very a colorful picture on a story and a puzzle that the impeachment hearings have clearly Put together there was also a tone from him investor Soderbergh in this phrase that kept coming coming up which is two plus two is four this idea that you. There's this effort to kind of paint a super clear picture of a precise definition of an exact legal characterization accusation of a quid pro quo. What investors Sunland seem to be saying was like Duh? Do you have a brain in your head. Do we need to spell it out for you. Of course it was there. And I haven't haven't really heard anyone kind of put it that bluntly yet. He's the first one to put it that that bluntly and he's gone on a very interesting personal journey he started out out not a not supporting president. Trump donated heavily to the inauguration. Got This position for which he was you know a novice at being an ambassador ambassador Smart Guy and he learned quickly but I think it was. I think increasingly shocking to him to realize that he was part of this extortion campaign against so Ukrainians which he only learned Midway through the process and I think one of the reasons he's testifying now against the strong objections of the White House and his own state. Eight department is to demonstrate that he did not view himself as part of the six Dourson campaign and wanted to make clear that he would never have been part of that had he known what was going on. And that's one of the risk of putting political ambassadors in sensitive positions because their their new They can be as smart as anyone on but it takes a while to figure out the art of diplomacy and that's why the testimony of so many brave courageous career. Nonpartisan officials has been in a very dramatic Parade this week. I personally know many of the people who testified today they are career professionals channels and are standing up for. What's right in our country? They know right from wrong. They're not partisan and I think the Republicans on the committee who have have attacked their patriotism attacked them personally and even the president tweeting at ambassador. IANOVICH wall she was testifying is a low point in American history. She was asked about that during her testimony and asked if she wiped consider that intimidation or a threat and she's basically. Yeah that's that's kind of the case one of the most the the most powerful man on earth criticizing you publicly very intimidating. And it's just wrong. I I personally am hoping that the Persons of the year become this year for Time magazine. His career officials who stood up and called they basically are speaking truth to power and that's Important to be recognized by all Americans. It's interesting though with ambassador. Soderberg he was kind of part of the mainstream name of the other case making that the Democrats were doing. I was interested to see and it doesn't seem like they did this if they were going to use him as a political appointee a guy who gave a bunch of money to the trump campaign and so he got this job. As one of the weak spots in America's diplomacy that allowed this so called shadow diplomacy to take place because he's a neophyte because he kinda didn't realize until he was already in it it allows Rudy Giuliani and others to kind of do this diplomacy the and put him in a position. He's not meant to be in but he didn't become a fall guy at least not that much. Well it's not unusual for the president to buck. US policy and have officials. Do I have. I was in government for a long long time as a political appointee and we occasionally bucked the career folks. What's unusual about what president trump has done is that he rejected rejected the individual The Principals Committee the National Security Council policy process. He had talking points he was supposed to promote American interest and frankly just diverted jettisoned all of that and brought in Rudy Giuliani for a parallel policy. Which frankly was not in the the? US interest and that's what's unusual about. That wasn't powerful enough to run this on his own. He was one of the three Amigos. And I don't think Rick Perry who we have not it yet heard from the secretary of Energy I was part of the COGGIN. This wheel unknowingly. As well by the way the tweets that were referring to regards Mariya Ivanovich. The President tweeted quote everywhere. Marie Ivanovich went turned bad. She started off in Somalia. How'd that go then fast? Forward to Ukraine where the new Ukrainian president spoke unfavourably about out her in my second phone call with him it is a US. PRESIDENTS ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO APPOINT AMBASSADORS THEY call it serving at the pleasure of the president the US now has a very strong and powerful foreign policy much different than preceding administrations. He'd been preceding. It is called quite simply America first with all of that however I have done far more for Ukraine than Oh meaning o Obama one correction to that the president does not have the right to appoint whoever whoever he wants he has the power to appoint whoever he wants and that power comes with responsibility which the mainstream of this impeachment hearing ambassador. I wonder I wonder if that is part of what we establish this week. Are we any closer to establishing that. The president misused his power his privilege to you conduct American foreign policy or are we still kind of where we were. I first of all this is not an America first policy. It's a trump I policy. He put his own. Personal interest is on political interest ahead of a relationship with a key. US ally a country. That's under attack pack every day from Russia and that is reprehensible and his critiques of a career dedicated foreign service officer Sir Basseterre Marie Ivanovich. Who took on some very tough post and good for her for having the courage to go to Somalia? That's one of the toughest post us and to have him tweeting as she's testifying. Is I think an end up being one of the Articles of impeachment is intimidation of witnesses. They've denied the right right for those with firsthand. Knowledge like Mick Mulvaney Giuliani president. Mike Mike Mike Pence will see if John Bolton APPEARS THERE'S A. He's I think on the verge of that. What what is clearly established in these very dramatic hearings that I think many Americans have been less? It's productive this week because they're all tuning in it's quite riveting. Is that the president of the United States shunted aside the policy process of career ear officials to have a policy with rain where we increase the aid which president trump is the one who gave them lethal aid and then he went ahead and held it up and it's very clear black and white that the President United States held up not only a White House meeting which is critical to demonstrate to the Russians that we have have the cranium back but also the critical aid that trump himself had increased simply for a political investigation into the Biden's now the Republicans are filling in a narrative that is simply false. There was no Ukrainian interference in our elections. And if you look at ambassador. Excuse me Fiona Hill's testimony her opening statement says very clearly. I refuse to be part of an effort to legitimize alternative narrative that the Ukrainian government is a US adversary and that Ukraine Not Russia attacked us in twenty any sixteen that is a narrative that is being put forward by some EU Ukrainian slash Russian really mafia bosses. That WANNA get back into their hands in the till and I think that's what is going to have to vote. Republicans are GonNa have to decide. Are they going to continue that narrative. Taber tell the truth. It's worth noting that ranking member Devon Nunez responded to that opening statement this morning it was published before Fiona Hill gave it so he kind of responded to it before she said it out loud. How will continue in just a moment and we'll get to more of your questions about the impeachment hearings I'm Joshua Johnson and you're listening to one a. from WMU and NPR Support for NPR and the following message. Come from Rossi's Robbie's are the perfect gift for the women in your life. Who was always? He's on the go and loves a good balance of fashion and function. Rossi's are carefully crafted shoes made from re purposed plastic water bottles they're stylish available in a wide array. Hey of colors and patterns and fully machine washable best of all. They're comfortable and have zero break in period plus enjoy free shipping free returns and free exchanges. Check out their the seasonal styles at R. O.. T. H. Y. S. dot com slash one as the impeachment clock is ticking in the United States. Ukraine is in a race race to fix a broken system before time runs out. It's just frightening because it's plus a new look at the country on the other side of the impeachment scandal on rough translation from NPR. This is one A.. I'm Joshua Johnson. We're getting some of the key takeaways from the impeachment inquiry testimony so far especially especially the testimony of Gordon Sunland the US ambassador to the European Union. We're speaking with Nancy. Soderberg former deputy national security adviser and for Ambassador to the UN a variety of perspectives. From you about what we should be focused on and what you make of the testimony. So far marcy writes why is Rudy Rudy meaning Rudy Giuliani allow to act on foreign issues assume ambassadors. Take an oath rudy. Giuliani didn't make the investigation about protecting the security and in the next election. Not about trump. Eric writes a presumed concocted imagined. Quid pro quo in the mind of a dubiously coherent subordinate. Who'd been running with the ball? He put his own spin on is not enough to impeach trump. Appreciate your perspectives. We'll get some more of those in in just a moment. But first I joining US via skype is Nicholas Burns former undersecretary of state for political affairs and former ambassador to NATO ambassador burns. Welcome to the program. Thanks thanks so much. Now you've been listening to the opening statements this morning including from Fiona Hill. It seemed like the newness was ready from the very beginning to kind of come. After Fiona Hill put today in some perspective in terms of the expectations. I know that there are a lot of people who are kind of looking for a smoking gun on. It doesn't seem like we have one yet. But I don't know if that's even what these witnesses are aiming to provide. I think smoking gun was yesterday. When ambassadors Tomlin testified he testified that president trump organized the entire conspiracy to bribe the Ukrainian government to force the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden in return for military aid and ambassador? Sunlen Said said that Vice President and secretary of State Pompeo and chief of staff of the White House Mick Mulvaney all knew exactly what was happening. That was very powerful. Fall and Sunlen said there was a quid pro quo that Ukraine ingot investigate the Biden's in return for a meeting with the president and they release of the US. The three hundred ninety one million dollars in US military so that was I thought the big transformation these impeachment inquiry today day fee on a hill and David Holmes. Our testifying Fiona Hill is highlighted. Respect it nonpartisan Russia expert she served as president trump special special assistant on Russia and Ukraine for the past two years. She made a powerful opening statement. Today saying that those people who believe in this wild conspiracy conspiracy theory that it was somehow Ukraine that interfere with our elections and not Russia. She told she said that that Siri is the wrong. That was backed up by Adam. Schiff the committee chair so it was quite a strong to the hearings this morning. Let me get your reaction to a clip of ambassador. Sunland here is one of the things he had to say during his testimony yesterday Secretary Perry Ambassador Volker and I worked with Mr Rudy. Giuliani on Ukraine matters matters at the express direction of the president of the United States. We did not want to work with Mr Giuliani simply simply put. We were playing the hand we were dealt ambassador Burns. What about that other than the idea of being a smoking gun in your experiences? An ambassador I I'm guessing that there were some moments during your ambassadorships where you had orders that you may not have personally agreed with but you had a job to do and you you had to carry them out ambassador Burns. Can you hear me I find okay I do now. You know what we're having some trouble with your line stand by if you would. We're going to reconnect with and let me go to Nancy. Soderberg with that same question. Nancy I imagine there were times during your work as an ambassador where you had orders to carry out that. You didn't necessarily personally personally agree with but you had a job to do right and the difference here is that my instructions were always in the US national security interest. I've been on the National Security Council as has ambassador Burns where you help you develop the policy. And there's some heated debates it's and then whenever the president decides you run with it and you I've been in Basseterre where you carry out those instructions. The difference here is that this was not in the US the national security interests to hold up aid for the president's personal benefit and that is what is going to come out and that's going to be the impeachment question. Is that okay. I think the Republicans are trying to put forward a false narrative that the president was just holding up aid to test whether the new new government in Ukraine was serious about corruption was going to be in our US interest. There was no investigation of that by the president. All all he was doing is saying. Will he investigate the Biden's embarrassment and that is misuse of power. That is going to. It'd be the basis of the articles of impeachment. I think the Republicans in Congress need to stop putting forward false narratives and say okay. That was okay it. It wasn't serious. It was an impeachable. But that's not what they're doing. They're trying to mislead the American public. The president was holding up this aid simply to test whether the new government was going to carry area policies for US interests. This was nothing to do about. US interest it was president. Trump's personal interest again trump. I not in America Erica. I policy and that's what the articles of impeachment or going to be all about and I think that's a reckoning that these Republicans are going to have to to have which side of they. Ah They on the truth or the furthering the pill political gain of this president so what impacts ambassador Soderberg went impact. Do you think that this will have on Republicans Publican's in the House and the Senate if the math is to be believed articles of impeachment are pretty much a plea but a conviction in the Senate seems you. You know slim to none and slim left the room. What impact does this have on? GOP members who are going to have to think this through and make a decision well the gop he members today live under what people have called the tweet of Damocles. They're petrified of a tweet from the president that that will cause them to get primary and they're not willing to stand up as these career. Foreign Services Officers are and speaking truth to power instead. They're putting forward a clearly false narratives that. The president held up this aid to test whether the new Ukrainian government was going to act in. US Interest No. He was holding it up to test. Whether whether this new inexperienced president would do the president's personal political bid and that's what this is about and I think Republicans in Congress Congress needs to own up to that. Stop lying to the American public and say this quid pro quo extortion bribery. Whatever you WANNA recall it this holding up of eight and a critical White House meeting for the president's personal gain? Is that an impeachable offense or not. That's what we need to be having the conversation tation on not some deflection just puts forward a very clear false narrative we're speaking to former UN ambassador. 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American woman was assaulted for speaking Swahili at a restaurant tune in to hear how asthma found support from an unlikely likely source the sister of the woman who attacked her. This is one A.. I'm Joshua Johnson. Let's get to some more comments. Here's one from Connie who e mailed sailed there's so much misinformation about life as a diplomat and especially in light of the recent testimonies of our foreign service colleagues it would be nice and relevant to hear some in reality Ambassador Soderberg. What are you hearing in terms of this reality that may be? Americans are learning for the first time about what ambassadors do how they come to their work why they're relevant etc.. I think what the American people are seeing which vassar burned myself. Anyone who's worked in the. US government understands that there are tens of thousands of dedicated public servants who get up every day and work on behalf of the American people in the US interest often in very dangerous situations in areas where they are away from their families and get zero credit for their job. And now we're seeing they're actually Getting up every day and making sure that our foreign policy is is carried out. I now teach at the University of North Florida here in Jacksonville and I have students going into the foreign service. And it's one of the proudest things that they can do. And I think one of the key challenges to Secretary Pompeo right now is why is is he not defending the proud courageous diplomats. Who worked for him? He's playing to the president so he can go run for the Senate Senate as opposed to doing his job as secretary of state and it's an untenable position for him and I really would encourage him to decide. Are you going to be a political sycophant for the president or are you going to be the secretary of state and support the hard working patriotic men and women of the State Department Yeah Democratic Congressman Denny Heck Pressed Under Secretary of State David Hale L. to say that very thing to say like we support you and we believe in your work really pressed him hard to be like now is your chance. Are you going to say it or not and sure sure enough he did. You said that you teach students who are going to go into diplomacy. What are they saying about all this? How do they view this well? Honestly they asked me. Is it still a good good place to work and we still have a career. I have Students who were in service right now. WHO said should I quit? And I've said no hang in there. We need eight people like you to be there and I think this period will pass but I think as you suggested it is a a moment in history where people are going to come to realize that these careers Are Important they matter. We want people of the courageous. The veterans of the world the Fiona Hills of the World Maria yovany riches of the world who get up every day and promote American interests. Not for a lot of money not for a lot of prestige toiling in the background. Because they're proud of what they do. They're proud of this country and their stories are American stories. They're immigrants their first in their family to go to college there. People who have studied the world and wanted to give back to this country and we should be honoring their service not denigrating their patriotism part of the store. The testimonies of Ambassador von Avenge and Lieutenant Colonel Finland had to do with them being immigrants to the US and now in the service of the US. I understand we've got ambassador. Nicholas Burns back on the line and Ambassador Burns one of the things that I also think really stood out in these hearings. Is that these ambassadors. This diplomatic core was kind of the tip of the spear in terms of detecting that something was amiss yesterday. Laura Cooper's testimony included new information that on the same day of the infamous call in July with President Trump and presidents alinsky. Ukrainian embassy started sending emails within hours of that call. Asking what was going on with the funding is that typical typical for there to be that kind of immediate connection tripled trickle down ripple effects after high level conversations. Take place well well sure you know. Our our government communicate all the time and I think what was important about deputy assistant secretary. Laura Cooper's testimony is that it advances Vance's the time line by about a month meaning the Ukrainians suspected that something was wrong with the provisions of the Military Eight By the end of July not by the end of Walker to early September. That's important because many of the defenders of president trump and the Republican party has said. Well how could there have been a quid pro quo for Ukrainians. I didn't even know that the was being military was being held up well. They suspected it a lot earlier I would also say. Just look at the transcript. I listed again. This morning's think of the White House issued July twenty fifth phone call between President Trump and presents Alinsky. President Trump asked presence Alinsky to investigate Joe Biden that is inviting a foreign government to interfere in our presidential election of two thousand twenty and that's an abuse of the the president's power because he did that for his own personal gain to me that was the justification for starting the impeachment agree and it remains. I think the most is damning evidence against the president his own words with regards to the ambassador's themselves. I'm glad to get to some more of your comments. Just in terms Gordon someone's presence in the administration. Bill writes so sunland clearly quote unquote bought an ambassadorship. I remember Ross. Perot wrote a book not for sale at any price. When will the corruption of money in politics ever end master burns? What about that? Is that a sign of corruption in politics. This this fact that Gordon the son was a political donor. And then that kind of document ambassadorship. Well this happens in both Republican and Democratic administrations rations A we have political appointee ambassadors whom the president appoints and sometimes they're appointed because of their expertise and sometimes there appoint because they gave lots of money to the president's campaign says true. The President Obama both President Bushes and President Clinton Since the since the Nineteen nineteen fifties seventy percent of our ambassadors around the world have been career ambassadors Foreign Service officers in about thirty percent of them political appointees. I actually you think that Congress and the next president should change this system. I think that the overwhelming majority of our ambassador say ninety to ninety five percent ought to be career porn service ambassadors. There May. There's obviously there are. There are very talented people in our society outside the Career Foreign Service who should be able to serve as ambassadors but I keep them to a minimum minimum. We're the only country in the world that has this system. Every other country relies on their career at Bassett. Or you can see. I've never met bathroom something. I don't WanNa be disrespectful towards him but he acted in a way he was in over his head and he didn't act in a way that a normal ambassador would act in the things things that he did You raised before with me an important issue. What happens when an ambassador disagrees with the instructions from the president well in our system You can certainly go back to the president or the Secretary of State and argue your case and say give me an instruction but I think it's wrong or I think think it's ineffective. I think embassador Sunlen if his testimony was true yesterday should have done that in this case he testified. Yesterday I didn't agree with the instructions to follow Rudy Giuliani. But I had to do it. Well no you don't have to do it. You always have the right to speak up and to say your piece and disagree. There are times and then you have to decide if you lose the argument inside the US government. Do I implement this decision with which I disagree and I've had to do that in my career. Lots of different tissues as have all people or do I not and if you don't you always have the option of resigning. That's a powerful option that's available to any. US government employees career or political. And so you know I was not convinced yesterday by ambassador. Silence testimony the somehow. He had no option but to go along with a clearly clearly. I think illegal scheme to bribe Ukrainian Garfield to say to them. You'RE NOT GONNA get your military and you're not gonNA get a meeting with President unless so you investigate the Biden's that was clearly wrong. That was an abuse of power and it was a foreign service officers. Who Objected Masha? You're GonNa Vich who saw this scheme unfolding very very early in the process. Bill Taylor openly objected to this throughout the way George Kent openly objected. And I was so proud of my foreign service. Brethren I'm friends with all three of those people. They spoke up they disagreed. And that's why I think. The public plan them so impressive honorable last week. They testified Nicholas Burns former under secretary of state for Political Affairs and former ambassador to NATO ambassador burns. Sorry we had the trouble with your line but we appreciate taking into. Thanks very much a pleasure to be with you. Thank you so much and Nancy Soderberg former deputy national security advisor and former ambassador to the UN Ambassador Soderberg. Thanks very much. Thank you for having us. This conversation was produced by Morgan givens and edited by Miranda full more to learn more about our team. visit the one A.. Dot Org this program comes comes to you from W. A. M. U. Part of American University in Washington distributed by NPR. Until we meet again. I'm Joshua Johnson. 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Top diplomat repeatedly describes quid pro quo in testimony; Transcript released of witness who described quid pro quo; Democrats see election victories as roadmap for 2020 win

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Top diplomat repeatedly describes quid pro quo in testimony; Transcript released of witness who described quid pro quo; Democrats see election victories as roadmap for 2020 win

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And what Taylor clearly sees as a quid pro quo a White House meeting and hundreds of million dollars in aid for Ukraine only if if the Ukrainian government announced investigations that trump clearly saw. It's helpful to him. Taylor testified that president trump point man in the administration on Ukraine ambassador. Gordon Sunland Donlan quote told me that President Trump had told him that he wants Ukraine Presidents Alinsky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate BURRIS MMA and alleged Ukrainian interference the two thousand sixteen election. Berea of course is the Ukrainian company on which Joe Biden's son Hunter served on the board Taylor testifying quote. That was my my clear understanding security assistance. Money would not come until the president of Ukraine committed to pursue the investigation question. So if they don't do this they they are not going to get. That was your understanding Taylor. Yes Sir Question. Are you aware that quid pro quo literally means this for that Taylor. I am. Tailor also describes an odd situation where the president seems to believe that by stating explicitly that something is not a quid pro quo. This ask for that that that's somehow negates it being one sunlen telling Taylor. President trump was adamant the president's Alinsky himself had to clear things up and do it in public. Lick President Trump said it was not a quid pro quo. Silane then tells the Ukrainian quote although this was not a quid pro quo. If Presidents Alinsky did not clear things up in public we would be Atta. Stalemate Taylor says quote I understood a stalemate to mean that Ukraine would not receive the much needed military assistance to state the obvious declaring something something to not to be what it clearly is does not change. What clearly is the house announced? Today that Bill Taylor will be among the first to testify publicly next week so starting Wednesday key witnesses will be under oath in public. CNN's Alex Marquardt has the story tailored eating the rates among among the most explosive testimonies yet in the impeachment inquiry. Now the transcript of the deposition of ambassador. Bill Taylor the most senior US diplomat in Ukraine gives a damning on the ground perspective Taylor told lawmakers it was his clear understanding security assistance. Money would not come until Ukrainian presidents Alinsky committed to pursue the investigation meaning into the Biden's and the two thousand sixteen election Taylor added. It was also clear that this condition it was driven by the irregular their policy channel. I had come to understand was guided by Rudy Giuliani. It was also Giuliani according to Taylor who came up with the idea of demanding. The president's Alinsky Linski publicly declare. He would investigate the Ukrainian company Brisa that Joe Biden Son. Hunter had been on the board of I think you will see in the transcript. What a dedicated public servant ambassador Taylor is someone who graduated from West Point Someone who served in Vietnam someone who is I think performing another vital service for the country in relating the facts that came to his attention Taylor testified that he was told about a meeting on September. First between the US ambassador to the European Union. Gordon Samant and a top aide to presidents Alinsky in which Salman told the aid the security assistance money would not come until president so inskeep committed to pursue the Barista investigation everything was dependent ended on such an announcement days. Prior Taylor had written a rare so-called first-person cable to his boss Secretary State Mike pompeo describing the folly Ali. I saw in withholding military aid to Ukraine at a time when hostilities were still active in the east and when Russia was watching closely to gauge the level of American support for Ukrainian government. Taylor was embarrassed. He couldn't tell the Ukrainians why the aid was being held up and he prepared to resign. Despite these concerns Taylor admitted he had never talked to the president. Even though ambassador Taylor didn't speak with the president he was dealing directly with people. The president was was giving orders to and all the while taking meticulous notes. Jake Master Taylor provided extremely detailed testimony often referring to those notes and he told lawmakers that he's always been in a careful note taker writing in a little notebook after conversations or phone calls which is why. When you read this this testimony off his diary Jake all right? Alex Marquardt. Thanks so much. Let's chew over all this alarm. Let me start with you. I WANNA start with one section from from the testimony that I found really interesting. Question is your testimony that hey you don't make these public statements about these two political investigations. We want you're not getting this. Meaning you make these statements. You'll get the meeting. You don't make these statements you want. Was that your understanding of the state of affairs affairs in July two thousand and nineteen ambassador. Taylor's response is yes I mean that's pretty directly a quid pro quo. That is we will give you this that your country very needs in exchange for this which the president wants for political reasons here at home. Great and we heard about Taylor outline multiple examples of quid. Pro Quo's When he first testified before the full transcript released now Americans get to read it with their own eyes and and then again? In a week's time Taylor is going to the publicly testify were told so. So that could potentially result in a shift in the American public's view of whether or not trump should impeach. You haven't even seen him speak. If they see him speak. We'll be able to take the measure them in Karen. One eight responded this because the Republican Congressman Lee Zeldin Republican of New York. One of the president's strongest defenders offenders is in the testimony as well asking questions as Republicans got to participate in this process and he drills down on the fact that Taylor himself never spoke directly with President Trump Zeldin Zeldin asks whether Taylor had firsthand knowledge of trump conditioning. The White House meeting on Ukraine announcing these investigations Elvin asks. Where was this condition coming from? If you're not sure it was coming from the President Taylor I think it was coming from Mr Giuliani Zeldin. But not from the President Taylor. I don't know Republicans are pointing to this and saying look doesn't have any first-hand information it's all coming from song and Volker and others in intermediaries but nothing directly from trump and this is why all these pieces starting to come together which I hope they'll do a good job of laying out next week or so important because as we have plenty of instances where Taylor says that they were told. You deal with Giuliani. He's the guy he's the one. He's the channel so you can't have it both ways as you can't say well since you didn't talk directly to the president you how do you know when he can say but I was told to Giuliani and this is what I was told we were supposed to do. I mean when he participated in enough calls and meetings to know what was going on and The president's spokeswoman described this or maybe it was Kellyanne Conway I forget but but one one of the president's spokespeople said something. This is a grown up male version of telephone. There isn't any actual firsthand accounts from people who talked to president trump. What they're trying had to do is just disqualify characters in the story and let's be honest for the public to keep track of this? There's a lot of names of people you don't know envoy to hear embassador here and I am concerned that the Democrats aren't telling a good story for the public is like Adam Schiff Cisco saying well we'll let the American people decide where these people testify and hope you can watch the ten hours of testimony. We're GONNA film without ever explaining what was going on. Here we're fighting about quid pro quo extortion. The bottom line here is that Donald Trump was trying to cheat to win and another election. That's the storyline that I don't think the Democrats have zoned in on. But they keep thinking. Oh we'll just have another person testify. And they'll make the case for us that's never going to happen. And the Republicans Pinson always told a more compelling if dishonest story that this is a deep state Cu seeking to overturn the election. But I think the point that the Democrats were trying to make actually again to put out so so much evidence in terms of and it's not even just about a quid pro quo right. I mean the the standard for impeachment is conduct unbecoming Republicans disqualify one of those people. But here's the thing I mean for the public and that's what they're trying to seek to and this is why I think shift has always built this case towards the idea that there of course there will be public hearings each of the individuals that we know who are testifying public next week. These are serious thoughtful. Rational human. We're not going to public the big six pence Pompeo uh-huh Bolton Period Mulvaney. Giuliani are not saying award so to Lou. The bigger picture here is I think it is probably a foregone conclusion that the house is going to vote to impeach president trump. Yeah I mean we don't know that for a fact we won't know until that happens but I think in all likelihood that's what's going to happen. The question is is the Senate which is controlled by Republicans going to do anything other than Dan. Not Vote to convict and is the release of all this testimony this week and it certainly been damning and it certainly suggests a quid pro quo. HAS IT changed the mind of one Republican senator. I think it's changed the strategy of the Republican senators. They've moved from saying the president. Did nothing wrong. The president is innocent to to basically. Yes he did it. But it's not impeachable. We're going to have an election in a year. So let's let the voters decide so they've changed their strategy but in terms of actually breaking from trump They're breaking came from him in in the fact that they're not saying that this was a perfect call as the president has said. They said that they are have been uncomfortable with the way the president conducted himself on the call. The fact that there was a quid pro quo. They're not comfortable with the fact that military that they had voted on and approved with being held up by the president for apparent political ends But they are willing to back the president in terms of saying you know. We're going to vote to not impeach. Not Have Your move from office because we don't think it's as big of a problem as Democrats think it is so that's where we are and Taylor also detailed what he learned secondhand about President Trump's conversations from sunland on September eight Silane said he had talked to president trump. The president and trump was adamant that presidents alinsky himself had to clear things up that means announced the investigations and do it in public president. Trump said it was not a quid pro quo. This is one of the most interesting do things about this case. President trump seems to think that by saying this is not a Mug. This is not a Mug that that's somehow magically makes us not a Mug. I think we need to not to pay attention to exactly the moving pieces here and again go back to what Donald Trump is trying to do. He wanted a sham investigation. Who is calling in a country to manufacture for some kind of smear against by it and we keep talking about these investigations? Like they're actually seeking something legitimate. I remember the Republican campaign when the national enquirer you Picture a picture of Ted Cruz. Dad saying that he killed JFK. They're looking for a grainy photo. They're not looking for anything real and next week. The public is going to get to hear from Bill Taylor himself as George. Kansas State Department official Maria von Vich. who was the former ambassador who was kicked out of her job? Because of its misinformation information coming from various Ukrainians and Rudy Giuliani. Tomorrow could be your next week. Rather could be much more problematic for the White House than these hundreds of pages. The only the likes of US are reading. Could be into Whitman. Said I mean Democrats to this point. been conducting everything behind closed doors because that's the stage of the investigation that they've been at and so so there's a big question about how they proceed from next week moving forward and how they carry out that very public case of trying to lay this out to the the American people and connect all the dots in a way that they haven't so far because again all this information is pretty much overload. When you're on the trail you don't really hear about it at all? But here's here's the thing right so if you think about it started. We heard about what people supposedly set in their testimony. Right then the testimony that we heard it again now that the testimony has been released leased. Then we're going to hear it again next week when they actually get to say it. So there has been some amount of repetition and that's part of what Donald trump is living on social psychology. Says you say a lie over and over time people start to believe it. That is clearly how he has made his millions how he has made his fortune. So that's what he's trying to do. I think Democrats are trying to put the plant those seeds for people so that again we all hope I hope next week it actually lays out to a story that is easy for the people who follow we should also note that With all the complaints from house. Republicans about selective leaks the media coverage has pretty much Born scrutiny when it comes to what actually was said in these depositions the media stories about a week or two ago were completely accurate Everyone stick around we got more to talk about Republicans seizing on part. Bill Taylor testimony. They claim clears the president of wrongdoing. Doing what is that. How credible is it? Then it's the name. 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Were launched Ukraine joining me now to discuss Democratic senator. Maisy Hirono Hawaii. She serves on the Senate Judiciary and Senate Armed Services Committee senator. Thanks thanks for joining me. I I WANNA read For you this one section of the Taylor testimony quote That was clear understanding. Taylor says security assistance money would not come until the president of Ukraine committed to pursue the investigation question. So if they don't do this they are not going to get. That was your understanding Taylor. Yes Sir Question. Are you aware that quid pro quo literally means this for that Taylor I am now. Republicans are out there today. Noting the Taylor never spoke to president. President trump about or even rudy. Giuliani about this How do you respond blowers complained which I brought to light that the president engaged in this kind of what it turns out to be critical has been collaborated by Taylor by others and and so here? Here's the Republicans you know. They just can't deal with the substance of what the president did. So they're doing all kinds of things so to to karate. The waters Senator Republicans. Continue to argue that. No one has testified that president trump explicitly said Ed. They need to do this. In order to get that Wa- and so what is the response. I mean Actually take a listen to what Senator Lindsey Graham had to say just yesterday. The president of Ukraine says he keeps saying no. I did and not feel that I had to do anything to get the aid. We have a good pro quo when the person who is the subject of the pros. So what is your response to Senator. Graham says how do you have a quid pro quo. When the person who's the subject of the says it didn't happen? Do you really expect the new president of Ukraine create which is so dependent on and the case of this particular situation of four hundred million The US money to fight Russia. Do you really expect the president and to jeopardize his relationship with the United States by saying. Oh Yeah your president is a crook. I don't think so. So we look to other credible testimony Simoni. That's all we have other credible testimony that says the president shook down the president of another country to get dirt on his political opponents. You I answer it talked about the whistle. Blower whose testimony was complaining has largely proven to be accurate. According to all the other witnesses is today you introduced a resolution to protect the identity of the whistle blower as you know there are a number of prominent conservatives including Donald Trump junior trying to out the whistle blower Republicans are demanding that here she come forward publicly. Take a listen to Senator Graham once again. I think it's impossible to go forward without. Knowing who the whistle blower is the reason that you have will support statue. Sister protect people from reprisal from from being fired not give him an anonymity in legal proceedings. So what's your response to that. We have whistleblower protection statutes which is not just so that they don't get far but to retaliate against to be threatened by the way the president himself has threatened the whistle blower so it's to prevent and these kinds of actions against the whistle blower and the whole point of the whistle blower statute is to protect the whistleblower through anonymity. And I tell you what the Republicans are doing doing in their millions the president and going after the whistleblowers just another massive diversion. which by the way undercuts the whistle blower statute which has been you know? We required right federal employees to come forward to report wrongdoing and in the federal government and government since what seventeen eighty nine. And there's a reason there. We want our federal employees who are in the best position to see wrongdoing than our federal government to come forward without being threatened retaliate. Against or table Ghana's what also. They're undermining the whistle blower statute. They don't have to because one. They don't want to acknowledge that we don't need this particular whistle war because His or her complaint has been corroborated. There WanNa go there and I tell you I don't know what's next because I they yep about how this is all secret. Well guess what next week. It's all going to be starting with Taylor. And some of the other people have already testified. The aid depositions have already been released. It's all out in the open. And the House is going to enable the president to participate in their proceedings so they that's gone from them so now they often the whistle blower and. What's next are they going to say? The person did it so what I call this a so. What defense is like the twinkie? Defense has is ridiculous. You you so I think there are running out of steam. Tell you the truth. But to attack the whistle blower that that cannot be. That's why I put in a resolution today to have US acknowledge allege that just as we require employees to come forward to report we have a responsibility to protect them when they do and and this report by the way was deemed credible and it was deemed. Urgent Senator Rand. Paul has called on the media to report the name of the whistleblower and I think there are Republicans in the building. You're standing who have said that they might come forward. And and and name the whistle blower is that against the law. It may not be specifically. I wish there was a law that was really on point. But I to me if you're going to require people to come forward There are several protections. Maybe it doesn't protect against irresponsible members of Congress. I want to out the whistle blower. Maybe we need that kind of very specific law but one would hope that you don't need such a lot to remind us of our responsibility that when someone comes forward as we expect them to do and it's credible and it's urgent that we will look to the substance and we have looked to the substance of these. The House has and the substance has been cooperated or senator a Democrat from Hawaii. Thank you so much always appreciate it next week. Impeachment inquiry will go public and president. Trump's team is especially concerned learned about one specific witness. We'll tell you stay with us. Finding the right pros for home. Projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions questions. Like how do I find a pro who can help. Will they do a good job. Will I get a fair price. That's where homeadvisor can help from leaky. Faucets to major remodels. homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even helps you get a fair price. Read reviews check project. Cost Guides and book appointments go to Homeadvisor DOT COM or download the free homeadvisor APP to start your next project so one week from today. The House of Representatives will begin public look hearings in the house impeachment. Angry big witness on day. One Bill Taylor who serves as the top diplomat in Ukraine right now and in testimony released today said he was has told. The president trump was the one pushing the quid pro quo aid to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine investigating. The Biden's Kaelin Collins reports the White House is particularly concerned about the impact of Taylor's testimony. We will begin our open hearings in the impeachment inquiry next week with the date set for the first public hearings on the impeachment inquiry. The White House is bracing itself. We we beginning with the testimony of ambassador Taylor and a bastard Mr Kent On Wednesday all three witnesses on the schedule have already testified behind closed doors but now Democrats will be making their case for impeaching teaching president trump or in public concerned about sources tell C. N. N. White House officials appeared the most concerned about Bill Taylor the top. US diplomat And Ukraine who told lawmakers there was an explicit quid pro quo according to a transcript released today the president has tried to dismiss Taylor's word before four he's the never trumper and his lawyers that never-trumper but there's no proof of that some say it will be difficult to discredit the West Point Graduate Vietnam veteran. Who is still on the job? Though some allies are trying now who in the heck and follow that someone told someone that I told someone that someone else knew about about this meeting. The president's allies are also seeking to discredit his ambassador to the European Union. A Republican donor turned diplomat. Who gave a million dollars? To Trump's inauguration Gordon sunlen revised his testimony to reveal a September conversation where he told a top Ukrainian aid the the resumption of US aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement instead the president and his allies are now relying hang on special envoy Kurt Volker who told lawmakers he didn't know there was a quid pro quo statement. I'm not even sure. Why has the opinion union has and Volker was completely read? Everything that everybody was doing the White House believes the release of the transcript is good for them. So these transcripts are actually. They're they're good for the president. Now Jake we also learned that the White House is adding two new staffers to its ranks. They Fight House Democrats over this impeachment. Probe Tony Sake is a former senior adviser to the Treasury Secretary who left the administration several months ago. Pam Bondi is the former attorney general in Florida and both are expected to come on in a temporary capacity to help the administration with its messaging strategy that they have going on or lack of if you ask Republicans on Capitol Hill and this seems is to be a tacit acknowledgement that. The White House is going to need some help here. All right Kaelin cons at the White House thanks so much in the deposition released this afternoon. Bill Taylor the top US. US diplomat in Ukraine says quote if Presidents Alinsky in order to get that meaning we're going to have to intervene in. US domestic policy politics by announcing an investigation that would benefit benefits. Someone in the United States. It wasn't clear to me that that would be worth it. I became less convinced. Taylor said that meeting was worth what Giuliani was asking. What Giuliani was asking digging up dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden? The president's personal attorney has mentioned more than four hundred times in the transcripts released this week. I want to bring in C. N. N.'s. Tom Foreman now Tom. Everyone in these transcripts says the Giuliani had a central role. In what I think most people would consider to be the Ukraine scandal. Absolutely Bill Taylor. Top diplomat was asked about his dealings with the Ukrainians. We've been talking about him for a while here. And this is part of the exchange you had during his testimony Simoni and they certainly understood that. Mr Giuliani pre represented president trump correct. He said they did. Because why else would they care. What Rudy Giuliani thought? Meaning Ukrainians and he said correct when the US ambassador to the European Union. Gordon Sunlen testified now. He's been an ally of trump. He's suggested even the State State Department had to enter the president's personal lawyer. Did you ever discuss rudy. Giuliani was secretary. Mike Pompeo only in general terms. And what did you discuss discuss that. He's involved innovators and Pompeo rolled his eyes and said yes. It's something we have to deal with. This has been the pattern as one witness after another has painted the president's personal lawyer as deeply involved in all dealings with Ukraine saying Giuliani was stoking. Okay the president's mistrust of Ukraine pushing for an investigation into Joe Biden and his son and promoting a conspiracy theory that the Russians did not try to help trump in two thousand sixteen but rather the Ukrainians tried to help Hillary Clinton which has been debunked and remember according to that rough transcript of that phone on. Coal trump told the Ukrainian president rudy. Very much knows what's happening. And he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. They're all putting Giuliani at the middle of everything but now suddenly people close to the president are saying something. Very different about Giuliani. I don't know what Rudy did. I don't know what he's doing over there if people wanNA look at Rudy. That's fine with me already. Giuliani was I. Just don't have visibility into that. I just I don't know what his role was. Its world implication. Seems pretty clear. It's not the president's fault if Rudy went rogue Jake Tom Foreman thanks so much. Also in our politics lead today. One of the people who ran trump's two thousand sixteen campaign will testify against the latest trump. Associate get facing charges related to that campaign Steve Bannon trump's former campaign executive will testify against Roger Stone. The prosecutor said in his opening statement that stone own who was accused of obstruction of justice among other charges repeatedly lied under oath to Congress because quote. The truth looked bad for the trump campaign and end the truth looked bad for Donald. Trump unquote Shimon Peres. Joins me now to discuss and on Bannon ran the campaign or at least was one of the leading people running. How critical will his testimony be to the prosecution's case? Well it appears. It's going to be super critical Jake prosecutors as you say not only was he leading this campaign they described to the jury they described him as being the CEO of the campaign and how he and Roger Stone were in touch that they were talking Over emails that they were going back and forth in their the discussions in one. Email the prosecutors highlighted to the jury This happened in the summer and the height of wikileaks was threatening to issue to release more or emails. he says the prosecutor says that stone emails Bannon saying that trump could win and then quote but it ain't pretty ready and then bannon replies. Let's talk prosecutors. Then say that Bannon and stone we're talking wikileaks. All summer long long saying that stone had told him that he had inside information about what Julian assange was doing. So by all accounts bounce right now. They're pointing to Steve Bannon. Prosecutors are at least in their opening statements that he is intended to that they intend to bring him in and that he's going to be a key a witness in this case and Shimon we're also learning more about stones communication on the day of the DNC hack. Tell us about that. Yeah and so. This was a big point. Came very quickly early on was the first witness in this case a former FBI agent. Who Actually was working for the Muller team team and her role in this? Michelle Taylor was the Roger Stone part of this. She was investigating Roger Stone and she was highlighting. How many times Roger Stone and then candidate? Donald trump were in communication. She went over the number of times that Roger Stone would call Donald Trump the number of times that Donald Trump called Roger Stone on his cell phone home phone about five times in total. And this was all happening when when reports I started surfacing that wikileaks. DNC had been hacked. All right thanks so much appreciate it. What the elections in Kentucky and Virginia could tell Democrats and president trump about? What's to come next year? That's next with us. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN You lose to say trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world. This was the greatest. You can't let that happen to me. That was president trump on Monday. Night speaking to Kentucky voters. I wouldn't say that it's the worst defeat in the history of the world but they did Republicans did lose. A big governor's race in Kentucky and the trump campaign is rushing to distance themselves now. State officials declared the Democratic governor a Democrat candidate for governor having beaten the trump back. Republican Democrats also pulled out key victories in the Commonwealth Virginia flipping both chambers of the state legislature. Blue wins the Democrats. He is setting a clear path. Forward for two thousand twenty. Let's discuss to In the Mississippi Governor's race Republican can one that and beyond the governor's race in Kentucky. Republicans point to the other five. Statewide races were Republican victories What's the top line for you about election? What do you see as most important Kentucky is still red state and all of those lower level races but the governor's race is the most important race in the state. President trump went there the night before to campaign for the incumbent Republican Republican governor. And even though he was unpopular he lost to Democrat and it shows that Democrats can still win in difficult places. They can still win a lot of these suburban voters. We've seen flee the Republican Party. We saw that in Virginia as well places like Fairfax County that no longer have any republicans. It's been a very major shift under president trump which has shown that Republicans in suburban Su Su suburbia no longer support. The Republican Party of Donald Trump's over read parts of the of the country are still Red Mike Mississippi but places that had been swing areas or had been a home. I'm to a lot of college educated. Suburban voters are no longer with the president and that really bodes Negatively for the president in twenty twenty and places like Pennsylvania Michigan and parts of Wisconsin context. I'm coming right to I want to show you the screen. One of the Democrats get success in Kentucky was winning over suburban voters including me. Just look at Let. Including the Metro major metropolitan after politics areas Areas around coal country. Were trump has done really well and the northern suburbs near Cincinnati which traditionally been Republican. I I mean and also this happened I should point out in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania where I come from in this in some of the suburbs there Delaware County Chester County Bucks County. They're increasingly suburban counties. Is it used to be. Battlegrounds are really becoming blue. You're a suburban mom like is this is there a lesson here for Republicans to worry about. Yeah and I'm afraid that they don't WanNA learn the lesson. Listen if you ask. Why are they losing? They'll say oh well it's just turning blue because it suburbia well guess. What if you can't win the cities you can't win suburbs? You can't would excerpts. You don't have a winning coalition coalition and I'm concerned why can't they make an argument to suburban voters. I mean these are usually middle-class families that care about healthcare education education and increasingly gun violence. These are three issues that the Republicans have no answers for. They're not even having a conversation about it and they're getting wiped out but the the Republican answer is we're going to take away your healthcare with pre existing conditions and we're going to let Donald trump run wild so that your kids. I can't even watch the news. I mean that was some of the things we've heard both in two thousand eighteen and we're seeing it again now in this as of yesterday. That against suburban voters are the ones who are saying. I'm tired of the meanness sir. I don't like that and I guess for them. The question in two thousand twenty will be if you think you're doing better like is your 401k. Better is it worth it for four more years of of this guy. You really don't like to keep your 401k. I would say the thing that was most interesting From a democratic perspective is the turn out the size of the turnout in Kentucky. which was I think I think the biggest? It's been since the governor's race in Nineteen eighty-five young so that that was important and similarly in Virginia part of trump's problem is he can't grow to your your point right. There's there's no new voters we have. We can continue to grow a coalition. He can't and Laura. We could talk about this. All Day fascinates me but I do want to turn to one other big big big poll. That surprised me. A new poll out of Iowa among Democratic Likely Caucus Goers it has warren twenty percent Buddha judge at nineteen eighteen. I mean that's basic. That's in the margin of error sanders at seventeen. Also in the margin of error Biden is in fourth place at fifteen and that's followed by Club Shar Dr and Harris and three way tie at the bottom. I mean Joe Biden in fourth place in Iowa is staggering and also that Buddha judge people talking about. That's that's real that Israel and when it comes to bite in his campaign for a while now has been telegraphing that he may not come in first or second in Iowa and now these polls are starting to show that. There's a chance that he also doesn't come first or second in New Hampshire and so the question Shen is if those numbers hold and the next one hundred days or so then then can he hold onto the other areas that he needs to South Carolina and the Super Tuesday states. Or do they start to change their mind. Well I'm br exactly I mean Victory in Iowa tends to have an impact on what happens in New Hampshire and South Carolina. Nevada I got the order wrong. Forgive Me Nevada. The president's defense secretary trying to stop the president from doing something that sent military leaders scrambling that story next stay with us in in our national today. Top Pentagon officials including the Secretary of Defense Mark. Asper hope to intervene in a big announcement incident that may be coming soon from president trump according to CNN sources aspirin wants to stop president trump from dismissing the criminal sentences or charges against three service as members accused of various war crimes as C. N. N.'s Barbara Starr reports for us now. The announcement from the president could come on Veterans Day. I do have full confidence in the military justice system. Defense Secretary Marcus for making his first public remarks about stopping president trump from dismissing criminal cases. I can't service members accused of potential war crimes. I had the chance to have a robust discussion with the president Yesterday and offered as as I do in all matters The facts The options my advice the recommendations and we'll see how things play out and administration official confirming into CNN. The president is still considering the idea. An idea first reported on Fox News that action is imminent which CNN has learned had had asper as well as army and navy leaders scrambling assembling the case files in order to urge the president to let the military justice system stem take its course rather than appear to endorse troops charged and potentially convicted of wrongdoing. You could potentially put leaders in a difficult position position in terms of their ability to enact good order and discipline on their own troops if they believe that they can just get pardoned by the president on the list of accused servicemembers US Army Lieutenant Clinton Lawrence who was found guilty in two thousand thirteen of second degree murder for ordering his men to fire on three men on a motorcycle. Recycle in Afghanistan. Petty Officer Eddie Gallagher. A navy seal who faced a court martial for killing a wounded prisoner and shooting at civilians. He was was found not guilty but was found guilty of posing for a photo with a dead person and he was demoted and Army Green Beret. Major Matthew Goldstein Stein who is charged with the murder of an Afghan man. His lawyer has maintained. The death occurred during a mission ordered by his superiors. Trump tweeted needed last month. That the case of Major Matthew Goldstein is now under review at the White House. We train our boys to be killing machines then prosecute them when they kill trained to be killing machines. One young officers said to me about that. That is not who we are jake our Barbara Starr at the Pentagon thank you. So much. The mystery about the massacre of an American family in Mexico growing. That's ahead president trump just moments ago not responding to reporter's questions amid even more impeachment news. Today he was leaving the White House on his way to a rally in Louisiana. Easy Anna. Tonight you can follow me on facebook. 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Trial of long-time Trump confidante Roger Stone starts

"Tonight on a special edition of all land or you have to do is read the transcript but damning transcripts keep coming and I as we learn more about the trump plot to extort Ukraine. All you have to do is read the transcript. Why the president is undeniably? Correct about reading transcript. You see how perfect it was. Then Steve Bannon testifies for the prosecution in the Wild Roger Stone trial. Look Emily Basil on insider trump White House at war with Congress and Steve Kornacki on the actual takeaways from the first election in the impeachment Arrow again. Let that happen to me. Live from studio six A in Rockefeller Plaza. All in starts right now. Welcome back thirty rock. Thank you great to have you here. It's back in her sixty studios. It was a crazy crazy week. We learned the impeachment hearings of the President President. Donald J trump will be televised next week. One thing we learned this week we also got hundreds and hundreds of pages of impeachment deposition transcripts released including two key wants today. I'm going to be talking about those in just a bit. We also had this week the first national election in the impeachment era. We'll talk about that with Steve Kornacki and and the White House wants to the Supreme Court to rule on the president's tax returns. We just found out that today. We're GONNA get to that as well but I think it's useful to remember this. This entire scandal starts and revolves around the notes of president. Trump's own call with the Ukrainian President Linski right. It's a call that he said was perfect. And that's the call the prompts the whistleblower complaint and that in turn gets the house to formally announce it's impeachment incre- and when people start clamoring to know. Okay okay. What did he do in this call? What's the deal with the call? The president releases the call notes and everyone gets to see with their own is what transpired and so now the the president is attempting in a clever or dumb or just sort of feral animal instinct for survival kind of ways. I can't I can't really tell which one it is. But he's attempting to turn his biggest weakness into strength and he is telling anyone that will listen to pay lots of attention attention to the single most incriminating piece of evidence against him so those are the call notes of his call with Ukrainian. President trump calls the the notes transcript. That's we know it's not a complete transcript and we're GONNA get to that in just a bit but what he's trying to do here. Is this sort of same. Transparency Aronson Gambit that worked for him in the past remember when he said Russia. If you're listening if you can get access to Hillary Clinton's emails you'll be rewarded mightily. That was an aide of solicitation of foreign intervention in American election and it was an effective as we learned from the Miller report. The Russians tried to hack a server ability Clinton's that night but he just didn't in front of the cameras right and the idea. Is that if I do it. In front of the cameras it is not improper or illegal and so now the most recent iteration of that is the slogan. Read the transcript. Here is the president a rally in Kentucky with with a bunch of people who just randomly just had the same organic idea just to print up and then where read the transcript t shirts and then just stand stand behind the president kidding. Of course you can. You can actually buy them on his website. It's a limited edition. T shirt they are not infinite which makes sense I It has this marketing. Copy if you just read the transcript. It's clear president. Trump did nothing wrong. The transcript speaks for itself. Don't let shifty shifty cheer for the rest of the Democrats lie about what's in it so the president is banking on the idea. If he says read the transcript what he can do by saying that his wash the devastatingly incriminating nature of the call itself from People's minds right. And here's the thing. This stuff does kind of work I saw so this poll. I think this week that shows that it's pretty remarkable. Only forty percent of Republicans only forty percent minority think trump's specifically specifically mentioned the Biden's in the call. He he does. We'll get to that but he does mention the Biden's and the conceited. The president's approach here is basically tells me the transcript if he releases the transcript. He talks about perfect phone. Call is then the only way it could have been wrong is if the president himself is stupid stupid enough to extort a foreign country and do something wildly incriminating and impeachable. When he knew other people were listening in fact? This is an argument that he's he's he's made and is making explicitly. tweeted this quote. Is Anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while in such a potentially essentially heavily populated call. Could the president be so dumb and as to commit a flagrant abuse of power extort a foreign country all bunch were listening the answer's yes he could be. Could he also be so dumb to tell everyone to read a transcript that incriminates him. I don't know let's read the transcript. Remember the call starts with trump laying the groundwork with Ukrainian president for the coercive. Ask that he's going to get to saying that. The relationship between the two countries has not been reciprocal all right. This is what he says. United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily keep in mind. Almost seventeen thousand square miles. A Ukraine is currently occupied by Russia. They've already lost Crimea. There is an actual shooting war raging since the start of the year. At least seventy two Ukrainian soldiers have been killed in eastern Ukraine and Ukrainians have been waiting on four hundred million dollars of American aid assistance which is ten percent of the military budget all right. This is not pennies so new cranium. President says we're almost ready. The buy more weapons from the United States for defense purposes. I'm the president responds. I would like to do us a favor though I would like you to do us us a favor them and he goes on. There's a lot of talk about Biden. Sign that Biden. Stop the prosecution. A LOTTA PEOPLE WANNA find out about that so whatever you can do whatever you can do manufacturer during my political rival who I just named. And that's the four alarm fire moment right. That's the moment where where holy crap that might have been illegal and the phone call reverberates throughout the entire government. We know from the impeachment transcript depositions that have been released throughout the week including today. Hey people are freaked out former. US Ambassador Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich says she was dismayed. The president made those requests. Deputy Assistant Secretary George said he was told. Hold the conversation went into the most extreme narratives on way of putting it Fiona Hill. She's the former senior director for National Security Council. We got her transcript today she she said reading the call notes raised an awful lot of concerns. She said it was her worst fears and nightmares that it was an effort to subvert the national security process and turn a White House meeting. That's a meeting with president trump into a dangled asset. None of those people on the call right. So they're hearing about it but they've got another transcript gripped and that was a lieutenant. Colonel Alexander Vincent a guy who oversees Ukraine policy in the National Security Council. He was on the call. He said he was concerned with what happened. He did not think it was proper to demand a foreign government investigator. US citizen he said undermined US national security. He said the call strayed from the material. He he himself had prepared. And he said there was no doubt in his mind the president was asking for a deliverable and get this immediately within an hour. Right phone call happens on the phone. He's listening he's like Yikes and within an hour. He goes to the top lawyer. The National Security Council in his office and for backup brings brings along his twin brother. This is a real detail. His identical twin who also works with actual Security Council. It was a lawyer handling ethics issues. That is them by the way both of them. I don't know which is which so. Not only did he raise alarms of the lawyer also notices as he's going through the document that circulating that the rough transcript was not correct actually so he made substantive edits the call notes to correct them because he wants to record be correct and those edits. Were not taken which hadn't happened before he said it was totally abnormal and then on top of they then locked down the transcript in the super secret classified server that almost no one could access maternal vin. Men was concerned about the phone call. He registered Mr. Those concerns up the chain of command. He a bunch of his other colleagues recognized. Just how awful and unperfect call was at the time and the White House acts to cover it up. The thing is the plot does not originate on July twenty fifth. Right when the phone call takes place all of this groundwork was laid. Well before as we've we've learned through all this testimony but the people who laid the groundwork at least had the good sense to act. kind of sketchy about okay. They they understood. You can't just say it. You gotta be a little unclear a little ambiguous. You gotTA SORTA operate in the Shadows Hinson Implications wink. Wink Nudge. Acknowledge do us a favor. Okay we'll talk about it. Maybe that can happen. Can You get the deliverables everyone who's doing this. They're running the shadow foreign policy. They recognized what they're doing is wrong and corrupt and then the man at the center of the conspiracy gets on the call and just out and out openly extorts the Ukrainian Ukrainian president who manufactured dirt on his political opponent. He does the one thing the one thing that everyone's worried he's he will do. And that. No one else is dumb enough to we do right because who would be dumb enough to explicitly extort the training training government for dirt on the president's political rival when a bunch of people are listening. Well there's one person in government who who is dumb enough to do it. By phone call was perfect it was totally appropriate for the transcript friendly the and if you want to read the transcript you see how perfect it was so the president says you should do it. I I say you should do it. We are all in agreement in this contentious time divided. We are in agreement about this one thing. So if you out there if you like the president or you you don't like the president we don't know whether the president extorted the president of Ukraine. Yes by all means everyone listening to my voice. It's presence Roy's please for the love of God. Read the transplant. The more what. We've been learning from the depositions this week on joined by Michael mcfaul former ambassador Russia and Ambassador Nancy Soderberg former deputy assistant at the NFC NFC Ambassador Soda talked to You. I one thing that comes out in these transcripts. Is that the folks that are piecing this together whether it's few and a hill who is at the NFC see we're used to work or it's Lieutenant Colonel Vinson or others. They're not getting the full story because someone is hiding the ball from them because the people that are running the rogue operation are wise enough to understand that what they are trying to do is probably elicit an inappropriate. You get that sense from what we've learned. That's exactly what happened. The career Foreign Service officers were shoved aside the National Security Council process which would have the experts make a recommendation to the president and then the president would agree to it and the career people follow it out sometime. There's a political appointee involved in this but present shoved that aside and had Rudy Giuliani on in some Russian oligarchs and Ukrainian corrupt goons are actually now under indictment in the US. Justice System Tryin Ryan pull a fast one on the US government and extort the president of Ukraine and the difference here for the president is. He's always been able to control his narrative. He's brilliant a showman and a few skating. What really happened? It's always worked for him and what he's finally only a up against is in a career bureaucrats who are patriots telling the truth and he is not going to be able to run away from the truth and all of those around around ten. We're going to have to make a decision. Are they going to have to justify. It was okay to hold up aid to the president's gain or are they going to come out and tell the truth and say no no. I'm actually not on board with that. Mick Mulvaney Giuliani William Bar. What's he doing now? All of these people need to realize realized the truth is something they cannot run away from anymore Mick Mulvaney I want to get to him in a second but ambassador mcfaul I read a story today about Ah Republicans in the House workshop in their defense is the president and one of the things that work shopping just you know it is a hard job and I. I don't envy them. I and they're you know blue-sky here run up the flagpole see what catches win and they've they've decided that maybe one idea is it like everyone was freelancing Gordon Sean Lennon Giuliani Mick Mulvaney whether the president but you know and this was actually defense that worked for Reagan Iran-contra Right. It never actually got the president in Iran Contra but Ronald Reagan number called up the ayatollah. Said we're going to sell you some weapons so we can go fund the contras like the phone call makes it impossible for this not to touch the president right. Yeah Chris I'm really glad you're pivoting back to the transcript because that's exactly right. It's clear as day. I remember the days before whether he's going to release that. I kept kept saying on television programs like yours. There's no way they'll ever release a transcript of a presidential conversation. And then when he did I was shocked at what was is there and I don't think you need to know anything. More than just two things. Just the transcript and then the text messages that we know from the three Amigos that were released when Kurt Volker testified. Because those two things show two things that you underscored I just WanNa keep keep making it simple one this. This is what they're asking for the quid pro quo and two. There was a long period that they were doing it both before. And after the call to try to make this quid pro quo. Oh Happen Ambassador Soderberg. You mentioned Mick Mulvaney today. He was subpoenaed to appear about five minutes before his appearance. The White House said he would not be appearing because absolute immunity but the two transcripts released today. Do implicate him in something key here. which is that? He was the one who gave the order to uphold the aid. That of course is the thing. They're dangling over Ukrainian government do you think he is going to be able to avoid having to account for what he did throughout throughout this entire process. No all of these guys are going to have to lawyer up and ultimately decided they're gonNA lie for the President of the United States and go to jail or or are they going to come around like Sunland did the other day in and fess up to what exactly happened. Remember Mick Mulvaney is on the record saying in a press conference get over it. This is what we do all the time. He tried to escape that. But I think all of these all of these people are going to have to recognize that they go into have to choose or they're going to try and cover for the president or face their own lawyers and what's going on in in Congress the truth we know what happened and I think the latest of China throw. The deputies are under the bus as if they weren't working for the president of the United States is is going to be a twenty four hour trial balloon. That's GONNA rapidly burst. They're gonNA just keep trying to partly because the president is controlling this narrative and it's changing being daily so the poor guys who are trying to implement this scheme and whatever. The latest President Narrative is are you know it's like a keystone cops circus. Because if it weren't so serious and I think they need to. They need to start thinking about. What is the future for their own careers? And what culpability are they gonNA face personally for participating in this game and it's all going to come out and I think you'll see people starting to peel off ambassador mcfaul another argument that I've seen and I saw floated today I think actually by former UN ambassador Nikki Haley in an interview that she just gave. And I've seen other people say is basically well. It didn't work right in the end they didn't get the CNN interview where Zilenski announces a big new investigation and the aid was released now. The aid was only released under congressional pressure the whistle blower but I wonder if someone who worked as an ambassador. We're inside government like how seriously you take the argument that they failed in extorting. Ukrainian president I also worked at the NFC work three years at the NFC as well and one underscore this other another point. You made earlier that we were just talking about remember when they say wallows my aides. We had no idea who is working for me. Remember Mr or Giuliani works directly for the president of the United States. He likes to emphasize that all the time. I'm the president's personal lawyer so you can't blame the deputies you can't blame the ambassadors when that person is the main person trying to run this drug deal so that's the first thing the second thing is attempted murder is a crime. Attempted theft is a crime. I'm not a lawyer right but I know right from wrong. This was obviously wrong. The the fact that they didn't get what they want doesn't mean that they weren't attempting to do so and they were doing what I teach at Stanford here we teach about corruption and the rule of law when you use your public office for private gain that is the fundamental definition of corruption. All Right Ambassador Michael mcfaul in go to protect you very much you. Donald from political fixer and adviser Roger Stone went on trial. L. is weak. It has been extremely enlightening and wildly entertaining and Glenn. Kirshner has been watching it. Unfold in the courtroom. He will join US next. Don't go anywhere Roger Stone Roger someone on trial this week. He of course is the president's longtime many decades political adviser associate. Hit One of history's legendary political villains. Sort of self made image to be honest. He's now facing years in prison. For charges of obstructing justice witness tampering as lying lying to Congress and so far just a few days in it does not look great for Roger Stone covering this circus of a trial assistant. US Attorney for the District of Columbia and MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirchner Glenn. It's great to have you been watching the trial this week. Let's start the sort of thirty thousand foot view. Stone is being prosecuted for witness tampering and lying. What's the government's case? Basically so the government's case this is built largely on email traffic and text messages written communications between Roger Stone and Randy Credit RADICO or Roger Stone and Steve Bannon for example. And basically what those written communications do is they squarely squarely contradict and undercut the testimony. That Roger Stone gave to the House Intel Committee so as a former career prosecutor cuter. I only wish I had evidence like this at my criminal trials. It's a little like shooting fish in a barrel. Well so the specific thing here right is everyone everyone is sort of wondered about did. The trump campaign have advanced knowledge of wikileaks. Right did they know wikileaks had were they planning around it. Were they in touch with them. And there's a lot of kind of like I don't know what the right word word is like flirting between the two or they're kind of in touch and there's these intermediaries that stone has where he's trying to get to assange. So am I right. That stone own Beasley tells congress. I had nothing to do with wikileaks. And the government's case is like no no. No here's what you were trying to do behind everyone's back. Yeah Chris and if it went from flirting flirting between the trump campaign and Julian assange and wikileaks. Careful after Steve Bannon testimony. I think they are probably on the honeymoon. Okay beyond dating and beyond marriage. So here's what Steve Bannon gave. Today I don't. I don't think anybody saw it coming. Steve Bannon testified among other things. Yes I became the CEO of the trump campaign in August of two thousand sixteen as CEO. I was basically the number one guy right below the candidate himself. I was in charge of operations. And then all of a sudden he was asked. You Know Roger Stone and you had frequent conversations with Roger Stone about his access to wikileaks and Julian assange and all of a sudden bannon backed up and said Nano. I don't know about that. The prosecutor said really. Let's go to your grand jury transcripts when you testified when you testified defied in the Muller Investigation and then the prosecutor did what was textbook impeachment by prior sworn statement. He took bannon through do his statement to the grand jury where he said yes. I had frequent communication with Roger Stone about his access to Julian assange and wikileaks leaks. And then Chris. The testimony moved forward. A few minutes and everything was back on track and then came the money question. That question was did the trump. I'm campaign have an access point. That was the that was the term that was used an access point to Julian assange and wikileaks and you. You would have thought banning would have learned his lesson by that little impeachment episode a few minutes earlier but no Bannon said here was his answer. Answer I don't think we had one. Let's go to the grand jury. Let's go to the grand jury. Transcript sure enough. Bannon testified. Ride to the Muller Grand Jury. Something that I don't think we had heard. Before he said the trump campaign's access point to Julian assange and wikileaks. Was Roger Stone Boy. That sort of brought those two. Yes the trump campaign and Julian assange judge together in a way that. I don't think we'd heard before so one of the things it happens in. This trial is Roger. Stone is is kind of a notorious B. S. artist artist. I mean almost I think by his own by zone telling you tell you that right like he says a lot of stuff and he's he's boastful and there's been all these weird lame lies is that he kept getting caught in so this is at one point. He texts randy credit coat. Prepared to die right and and when he's he's asked about it by reporters he tells mother Jones that like he was actually telling them. Like no get your affairs in order because you have terminal prostate cancer and then credit goes like I don't have terminal prostate cancer and it just seems to me that stone is like playing the role of a gangster playing the role of like a mob dub guy but in a pretty half hearted way that is not really fooling anyone is that a fair characterization. I think that's a perfect characterization accusation because look at its core. He is on trial for lying to Congress. His defense to that charge is oh yeah. I'm a great big liar higher but I lied to my friends and associates emails. I didn't really lie to Congress when you're on trial for lying using the defense that you're a liar. Fire is probably not the strongest defense. It's a great point. Although maybe the one honest thing Roger Stone's ever said thank you so much for joining us when we get back. The first election impeach and era is in. The books happened this week. There is a lot to learn about how America is voting voting in this moment and Steve Kornacki has the most important results for us. You will be with US right after this. Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught of news and take a broader. Look look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week. My podcast why is this happening. We're exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is climate change. We'll be to the twenty first century. What Madeira not west of the nineteenth century? It'll be the central subject of questions about economic justice. Everything you care about in the world will be affected by climate and digging deep with guests uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level whites are on the verge of losing their majority the status in twenty years and I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you get your podcast casts in a year out from the election there are a lot of people who are understandably obsessed with what to expect people that are obsessively looking at swing state polls breaking down head to head matchups trying to figure out mentally? What exactly does a white working class voter Michigan want? Why don't they want presidential candidate but this week those people did not need need to rely on? Polls this week we got our very first actual concrete data about politics and voting behavior in the impeachment era. I wasn't it wasn't calling people up and asking who they're on a boat for it happened on the ground and it's much better data to analyze than polls. I think the top line from election night on Tuesday night was there was a lot of good news for Democrats. They want governor's race in Deepak Kentucky took unified control the Government Virginia and Democrats did they did extremely well. The suburban districts districts that are seen as crucial to winning the elections in two thousand twenty there was also data to give people opposed to the current Republican Party. A lot of concern here to dig into what we learned one of the best analysts was out there. MSNBC National Steve Kornacki the so if one of the biggest trends I think it's fair to say in the trump trump era since two thousand sixteen election special elections in the midterms is the suburbs right. One of what is going on in America suburbs in the trump era. I I think a couple of things number one just in terms of opposition to trump the energy the motivation to get out and vote. It's very clearly there. It's a big story in the two thousand eighteen midterms. It's a story in Pennsylvania Selena this week. He talked to her local Elections County elections in in Pennsylvania suburbs of Philadelphia. Democrats were taking over governments there. In some places they hadn't let in decades and in in much more than decades in some places and just those those races those Pennsylvania races Pennsylvania did not have Virginia's on this weird schedule so there's a bunch of people on the ballot. Those those were real just local county races that are happening in Pennsylvania. People still coming out and I think what it reflects. What's the connection between county race and then president trump and in national politics politics? I think what you're seeing. There is the sinking up of national politics with everything down ballot from there. Because you have counties there in southeast Pennsylvania that had been trending towards the Democrats crash some places they were Democrats took over Hillary Clinton had won by nine points in one county by twenty two points in the county still. There was residual Republican strength at the local county level evil and I think this is one of the stories of the trump era is everything below president on. The ballot is kind of coloring itself in red area blue area. So I think that's one of the things you're seeing there in Pennsylvania and other places there was also there was also some interesting results in the Cincinnati suburb counties up there in the sort of north northern corner of the State and Kentucky the next to Cincinnati across the Ohio River that that really helped that Democrat pull off the upset victory so this is a really interesting story because Matt Bevin. The Republican governor lost through bunch of reasons but if he had gotten the normal Republican result in these three counties you're talking about and they're they account for ten percent of the vote statewide if he'd done what a Republican normally does. He is still the governor instead. The Democrat actually won two of the three counties which is just really heard of big races like no absolutely trump in the east county. You're talking trump. Getting into high fifties to the high sixties in these races. Bevan was getting in the forties into the low to mid fifties so this was a terrible performance for Republican there. The question question is did that. Reflect the same thing we're talking about in Pennsylvania and nationally or did that reflect something that was more bevin specific and the reason. I think that's a question is. We're five other elections in Kentucky this week. Five other white elections the other five Republican candidates got the normal Republican number in those three counties. So was that Bevan or was that the trump era sort of a factor talking to me the big question about the suburbs. which is are we seeing that some kind of pendulum right or are we seeing a realignment so if you go back to two thousand ten and you look at a lot of those suburban areas? They moved hard to the right. During those midterm elections in two thousand ten they said a lot of Republicans a lot of Republican local. Oh legislators right a lot of Republicans take steakhouses and that's kind of motivational question of WHO's coming out to vote largely in those midterms. But then the other comparison is the way that the solid south used to be democratic and then they started voting for Republicans at the presidential level and then they moved down the ballot until every last county. Commissioner is now a Republican as well. What do you think he evidence says says about what we're seeing in the suburbs being something permanent or something? That's cyclical nothing in politics is permanent long term longer term. I think it's longer term because because we already know it's longer term. We have a longer term trend in American politics going back decades now where you have we talk about White College. Educated versus Non College and what we've seen for decades is now is a trend in the Democrats favor among White College educated voters in a trend decidedly away from the Democrats in towards the Republicans among non college white. So if you factor if if you take that and then you add in the fact that suburbs generally in a lot of places are getting more racially ethnically diverse democratic constituencies for a long time. Now those two factors actors. I think it's a long term. Trend does not show any sign of ebbing and that last point is important too because what the composition of the suburbs is. Changing is a big part of the story. The other part of the story to me is turnout right so the good news for Republicans in the trump era is the really. Are juicing turnout in these rural red districts and and goosing enormous margins right. I mean we did see that particularly in Kentucky and we saw it in Pennsylvania by the way we have this story of Philadelphia suburbs Philadelphia suburbs herbs go to western Pennsylvania counties in western Pennsylvania. The Mirror image that are long term democratic counties that flipped to Republican on Tuesday. And I think there's a cautionary note note here for Democrats who look at results like you had this week and extrapolate that and say well there it is. It's going to happen in two thousand twenty. It's the words of Chuck Schumer from about two months before the two thousand sixteen election and he was asked about Pennsylvania's the Trade Clinton trump is big in Pennsylvania key Senate race in Pennsylvania. He said. Don't worry we're fine. He said the Democrats we will lose for every one and Union Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania we gain to suburban Republicans outside Philadelphia. Math didn't work out that the trade did not work but on election night at least the gubernatorial level in Virginia. It has been working and it's generally been working in the suburbs in two thousand eighteen in special elections Matt Bevin. If I'm taking he gets two hundred thousand more votes right the two thousand fifteen and he still loses because both sides are so active in massive. Turn at one point. Four million people turned out in that Kentucky Gubernatorial election the last time around there. The one you're talking about twenty nine hundred seventy three thousand. You're basically having a fifty percent increase in turnout. Their mid term turnout last year. You're talking over a hundred and fifteen million people. Normally you're getting about eighty-five million in a presidential election you get one thirty. I think there's talk next year. Just given these turnout trends. We're seeing one forty five hundred fifty million easily going to be the highest turnout just by Roy numbers the highest turnout presidential election in our history and I know you know. My brothers worked in campaigns as entire life and a campaigns at the beginning of the campaign and well run. We'll think we'll think of what their vote number is like. Literally what. How many votes do we need? And they'll do the math and that will be what determines the entire field plan. It will determine a lot of their advertising buys right. They're trying to figure out. Like how do we add up enough votes to hit the number. We need and one of the things that sometimes happen. That leads to upsets Joe Crowley in Alexandria Cortes is that you get the vote number wrong. You say we need this many votes Matt Bevin probably said to himself if I seven hundred thousand votes. I'm probably going to go seven hundred thousand votes. It turned out is it is swamping all expectations but I and it works both ways right. I totally because we talk about rural areas. You Talk About X.. Urban areas where Republicans are still showing strength as you see in Pennsylvania their the big x factor. In all of this is you know. Oh that the suburbs. You know that this sort of anti-trump folks in the suburbs are determined to get out there in every single election right now and vote against Republicans but put Donald Trump's name back on the ballot right. Put Him Front and center. There is still a lot of ground that Republicans could gain yet in those rural area. Yeah and someone said. I think there's about forty five million white non college voters that are not not not voting like there is a big pool it is not the case that the trump base as a sort of electoral force is maxed out. mathematically at this right now and I think the dynamic here you're really really seeing we talk about polarization tribes. Each side is just reacting to the other in the best source of turnout for one side is the other Steve Kornacki. That was great. Thank you for being with us. Thank you Chris. Appreciate it great. What happens when a president and Congress essentially good war? Emily Baz Lana The New York Times magazines got a great new piece on just that and she will tell us. Don't go away. The people talk a lot about a constitutional crisis or at least they talk a lot about a constitutional crisis in this era. We find ourselves in. But they're not that specific about what they mean by the term in the literal sense. I think you can define a constitutional crisis as happening. When different branches of government government are at war with each other and there's no controlling authority to say who wins? We're perilously close to that situation right now. The White House has taken a really unprecedented approach to not just how it defies Congress but the law itself remember when trump said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters. Did you know the president's lawyer in federal court last month argued to a judge. The president could literally shoot someone Fifth Avenue and not even be investigated. The crime listen to this. What's your view on? On the the Fifth Avenue example. Local artists couldn't investigate. They can do anything about about it. I think once the president is removed from office bill any local authority. This is not a permanent immunity. Well I'm talking about while in office office. No that's the hypo there would be done. That's your position that is correct. That is only if he's in office. My next guest has written a feature in the New York magazine on US hurtling towards a constitutional crisis titled What happens when a President and Congress go to war. She'd been reading a lot about the courts in the law particular about judicial process. Please welcome Emily Basilan beast. Thank you you you mentioned this example in the sort of I grasp of the peace because it's so shocking. Today we found out that in this case ace right which the federal judge at the district level in the appellate level ruled against the White House. They're going to go to the Supreme Court on this. What do you think about that case? So this is a case about whether the district attorney in Manhattan can get president. Trump's tax returns for the purposes of investigating the hush money payments that he made stormy stormy Daniels. And so we have here is the authority of a local prosecutor to investigate. I would think that the Supreme Court would come men. On the side of the authority of that prosecutor. The prosecutor is representing state government. This is outside of Federal Authority outside of the President's control but we just don't know the answer it's amazing. How Little Supreme Court precedent we have about questions like this? And that's one of the reasons there's so much uncertainty right now and the reason we don't have that much precedent is because usually the White House acts somewhat differently than they are now. Is that fair to say no seriously. Yes seriously no. You're right. Usually what happens wins is. Congress is investigating issue subpoenas. There's some resistance usually an opening gambit. We're not going to turn over all the documents. You can't have all your witnesses. But then both sides find it in their political interest to negotiate and accommodate and so you have Hillary Clinton showing up and testifying for eleven hours about Benghazi. You have the attorney general. Oh for George W Bush testifying before Congress. We are not seeing that this time. We're seeing this. Utter refusal blanket claims of immunity and that is different. I think if it's hard because I think people think that the parties are very polarized. And there's sort of at each other's throats that the White House's refusal here is kind of par for the course I but it is in the breath of what they're asserting legally in terms of what Congress can and can't do to a sitting administration it really is like way out past what other white houses have asserted. Is that correct. Yeah what's important. I think the distinction that's useful for me is that it's one thing for the president and his folks to challenges just specific requests from Congress. Right like this is onerous. Or you can't have this because if you can't interview my White House counsel because of my executive privilege Over that very private zone of confidential communications. Okay maybe the courts rule in your favor. You can see the logic of that right. Forget about this precedent for a moment you you can see that you want a presidency. That would have that kind of notion of executive privilege this is different. This is basically challenging the legitimacy of a congressional investigation nation writ large. And that's a completely different position. That's really challenging. The power of Congress. This is the letter that the White House counsel Pat Simple Loan wrote to the House leaders. He said President Trump impetus administration cannot participate in your partisan non-constitutional inquiry because participating this ingred under the current unconstitutional Pasha would inflict lasting institutional harm arm on the executive branch and lasting damage to the separation of powers. Here's the question who gets to say right. I mean right now. Congress Chris is in court with the the executive branch right. They're trying to get certain things enforced but the wave political time cycles work work versus judicial time cycles. It's very easy. For course to just kick the can down the road and essentially the White House winds right so delay favors the status quo and in that case this this means the executive branch so Congress has gone to court over the tax returns but Congress has not gone to court in the impeachment inquiry. In fact they've pulled back from that they exactly. They withdrew a subpoena from this one witness. Charles Kupperman who he went to court himself he said wait a second. I don't know what to do. President is telling me not to talk Congress. I want me to talk. I want the courts to settle this. Congress said you know what this is going to take forever effectively like this is the kind of political theater on your part. We are withdrawing the subpoena and what we're really seeing. Here is the power of the willing witnesses. All these people who testified rate most of them are career professionals in the government. They are seeing things. Things truly alarm them and they are choosing to defy the president's directive and obey the direct Congress to show up and talk. And that's because they think what they have to say is really important for the country here in the case of that the case you just mentioned the subpoena was withdrawn. Do you think that there's the delay aspect aspect of it. But I wondered if the house was worried about an adverse ruling right. Because there's this weird gambit by his name so government is a deputy Bolton and he's is the first person who actually says. Oh I don't know what to do all affirmatively go to the court and ask the court to tell me right. Everyone else just makes up their mind and Bolton has said on the record he would follow Oh Cup from his lead whatever the court told him to do as well. Do you think that House folks shift and the rest were worried that if a court said no you don't have to go that would shut off the spigot of witnesses. I think that's possible. I also think they look at this very conservative Supreme Court. Some of its members have shown that they think executive power is really important value. And if right. So if your congressman you think well this is going to take so long anyway. By the time I got in the information it's GonNa lost its political value. And there's some chances Prim court is going to rule against Congress setting a precedent that would be bad. Like what's the point of this and that's another reason to withdraw peanut. So we've got the district attorney the case going the Supreme Court We we don't know if they'll grant on it so it may not get up there but they're gonNA petition right. So there's three levels of the federal Judiciary there's the District Court. That's a trial court. Then there's the appellate court circuit courts and the Supreme Court. There's just three and one of the things that's ministration has done. More than almost any other administration is to skip skip a step because they wanna get the Supreme Court because they're like we got our bros.. We got gorsuch. We got having a like. We're good we're good. Let's get the Supreme Court we can count to five. You're laughing but his true. Are we going to end up with some of this in front of the Supreme Court. It seems like we don't get out of this year without a Roberts court decision on some of the scope of these issues. Yeah so this case we're talking about involving the Manhattan. DA's office you're right. The trump administration has said we are going to ask the Prem- court to take this case. The Supreme Court could say no. It's a really pretty good appellate court decision pretty basic and that could keep it out of the courts at least for now but there are other cases that are bubbling rolling up to another case about Congress trying to get the tax returns from trump. That's in the DC courts in Washington and that case also looks bound for the supreme in court so it does seem likely that we're going to hear from the court in at least one of these matters the big fear here. I mean right now though the setup that everyone sort of been using is you've got three branches of government in an article. One Congress and article to the White House are fighting and article three as the referee who comes in and says who's right a constitutional crisis when no one can say who's right or when the court says do this and the executive says we're not going to like. How close are we to that moment? We haven't gone about them. Yeah I'm happy to say she grows. The courts haven't ordered the president to do something that he hasn't complied with. And the other thing that important to understand about all this subpoena investigation talk. Commerce has its own powers Congress can issue its own subpoenas. It could go back to its practice in the nineteenth and early twentieth century of sending being the sergeant at arms to arrest someone jail them right and if that sounds kind of out there to you also could use its power of the purse everything. The executive branch does requires wires funding but Congress approves. Congress could start saying like hey you know what you don't have any money for the White House counsel's office a lot of things. Levers Congressman Paul. Its own power our branch. Yeah it's interesting to think of both those things as sort of the next step in escalation if we get there emily Babylon's create peace. Thank you so much for being here. The goanywhere we've got a special announcement and Rachel maddow's coming up next so just stay right there. Thank you so much joining us tonight. We will be back here in studio six say next week and a few weeks I'll be doing a live. Why is this happening right here? 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Giuliani really Lee. Back tonight in Ukraine. Let's go out front good evening. I'm Erin Burnett fron tonight the breaking news. The House Judiciary Committee has just ended. Its first impeachment. Hearing it was contentious and highly partisan aggressive questions and answers the committee expected to announce its next appearing at any moment and the chairman. Jerry Nadler is clear on where he stands three of his witnesses. All law professor said it was clear that President Donald J trump should be impeached Professor Feldman did president trump. Commit the impeachable high crime and misdemeanor of abuse of power based on that evidence and those findings based on that evidence in those findings the president did commit an impeachable abusive office. Professor Carlin same question. Same answer and Professor Gerhard did President Trump. Commit the impeachable high crime and misdemeanor of abuse of power. We three unanimous yes. It was a powerful moment and series of testimonies but there wasn't exception on the. Ah The day is today a fourth law professor the Republicans alone witness Jonathan Turley. I'm concerned about lowering impeachment standards to fit a positive evidence and an abundance of anger. I believe this impeachment not only fails to satisfy the standard standard of past. impeachments would create a dangerous precedent for future impeachments. Alex Marquardt is out front in Washington with the details. On today's days contentious hearing the blistering conclusion from all but one of the witnesses that the president should be impeached. I believe the framers numbers would identify president. Trump's conduct as exactly the kind of abuse of office high crime in this demeanor that they were worried about and they would want the House of Representatives to take appropriate action Russian and to impeach Professor Noah Feldman from Harvard laying out the reasons the president committed impeachable offenses alongside professors Pamela. Carlin and Michael. Gerhardt Taylor agreed. All three were invited by the Democrats. If what we're talking about is not impeachable the nothing impeachable. This is precisely uh-huh misconduct that the framers created a constitution including impeachment to protect against awesome responsibility. Carlin hitting back at ranking making member Doug Collins who dismissed the hearing and suggested the experts hadn't digested all of the facts of the investigation. Mr Collins I would like to say to you sir that I I read transcripts of every one of the witnesses who appeared in the live hearing because I would not speak about these things without reviewing the facts. So I'm insulted. Did by the suggestion that has a law professor. I don't care about those facts. The lone witness called by Republicans Professor Jonathan Turley said. He was not a supporter of the president's but argued. The record for impeachment is wafer. Thin close. Enough is not good enough. If you're going to accuse the president of bribery you need to make it stick because because you're trying to remove a duly elected president of the United States Turley who testified in the Clinton impeachment warned that a slip shod impeachment. Treatment process could pave the way for more in the future. That is why this is wrong. It's not wrong. Because president trump is right is call was anything but perfect it from the get-go Republicans blasted the hearing and the entire process. This is not an impeachment. This is just a simple railroad job and today's is a waste of time. John was chairman. Worm euro serving the right to object. GOP members interrupting delaying proceedings with procedural maneuvers. Mr Chairman Mamik parliamentary inquiry. Before you gentlemen Chairman Nadler previewed possible articles of impeachment which may include obstruction of justice. Going back to the Muller probe president trump took extraordinary Jordan Aaron unprecedented steps to obstruct the investigation including ignoring subpoenas ordering the creation of false records and publicly attacking and intimidating witnesses. Then as now this administration's level of obstruction is without precedent. The experts drew on history St repeatedly making the case that the country was founded on principles opposing absolute power so kings could do no wrong because the kings word was was law and contrary to what president trump has said article does not give him the power to do anything he wants. In comparing president trump to to a king professor caroline also said that the president could name his son Barron but not make him a baron them that got a lot of blowback including from the White House for invoking the president's teenage son just a short time ago Professor Carlin apologizing. She was wrong to do that and she regretted it but also said that she wishes the president apologized himself off for all that he's done all right. Alex thank you very much. I'm going to have much more on Presser Carlin later. This hour really became the center of the stage today out front now Democratic Congresswoman Val demings who sits on both the House judiciary an intelligence committee. So she's investigating and drafting articles of impeachment. When that time comes I? It was clear early early on today. Congressman Republicans. We're going to do everything possible. To stall the hearing right there were all those procedural inquiries and points some of them clearly. Pretty Arcane chairman seemed to expect them all it didn't happen nearly as much during the Intel Committee hearings that you were also a part of why do you think that is what what did Republicans Republicans do differently this time. Well it's good to be with you number one but I just think as we get closer to the end of this process and further along long I just think the re my republican colleagues field. The desperation the facts are stubborn. Things as has been said many times before and the facts x the evidence in this case against the president is pretty overwhelming and so all of the procedural motions that they raised today at the end of the day though the president still used his power to try to Earth a foreign power into interfering with our elections. And that's what we have to stay focused on what not think was accomplished today congresswoman. I think the witnesses did an exceptional job and really laying out for us and for the American people what the framers had in mind when they were so concerned about president trying to act like a king or trying Andrzej act like a dictator that they were so concerned about the president of the United States abusing his power working with the foreign governments. I and isn't it interesting as they laid that out that that is exactly where we are today. A president who abused his power betrayed his oath of office really jeopardize house or National Security and tried to obstruct Congress and justice. The the one witness we heard from today Who supported the Republican view was Jonathan Charlie a law professor at George Washington University? Here a few of the crucial things that he said I'm not a supporter of president trump. I voted against him. His call was anything but perfect is this is not how you impeach an American President in his written opening statement statement he also said that trump's reference to the Biden's on the call with Ukrainian president was highly inappropriate right so he voted against him. He doesn't support him. The call wasn't okay. The Biden part wasn't okay. Okay but he thinks that it is the wrong call to impeach the president based on what you have now when you put all that together was Turley a powerful and effective witness for the GOP. Okay well we certainly appreciate Professor Turley coming in and share his viewpoints. But I just think it's so interesting that when the Republicans and their witness and this talk about the wrongdoing of this president they'll say things like well. The call was not perfect are the president was just joking. He couldn't have been seriously. You know as a former law enforcement officer. I'm sure the criminals who arrested and were eventually prosecuted. Wish we would have looked at every time they broke the law. We said that well you know. It wasn't perfect but because it was perfect we should just let let it go. We appreciate early as I said testimony today but the facts are still severin things and we are still where where we are in terms of the president's wrongdoing trying to course a foreign power congresswoman demings. Thank you as always thank you and out front next. 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The president's office is handling foreign policy with that country. That's going to be staff counsel for the how Democrats on the Committee to testify next week followed by the Republican Staff Council who also testified in that same hearing. We also expect articles of impeachment is. Begin the DEM serpent drafting articles of impeachment. We expect expect that to be formally introduced probably next and soon as next week before the committee votes on articles of impeachment than Danika move quickly to the House floor soon thereafter rafter and that could mean setting pre-christmas vote making president trump's third American president to be impeached in history. Then come January Aaron. The Senate already blocking off weeks at a time to have the president's trial in the Senate and of course you need two thirds majority in the Senate to remove him from office. Something that's incredibly unlikely at at the moment but still they will have to go through that process so this is going to move quickly is gonNA consume Washington and of course consumed president trump. Right Monitor. Thank you very much. I want to go up front now. Former Nixon White House counsel John Dean Our chief political analyst Gloria Borger and David Axelrod who was a senior advisor to president. Obama is now the host of the the X.. Files Gloria so you just heard my new laying this out okay. We knew they wanted to move quickly. But this is this is very quick right. They'RE GONNA announce this hearing could come within and hours. They're announcing it and extensively that would seem to be it and then they are off to the racist to get it out of committee and to the floor right and that was. That was the question about this sort. Sort of why rush to judgment argument of Jonathan Turley today. who was the Republican witness there? WHO said why are you rushing to do this? Why do you need to do the so quickly? And Congressman Collins said the same thing and what was so interesting to me about this hearing today. Was it raised the large question about timing. What does Congress do when you have an administration that is clearly trying to run out the clock on this that is stonewalling and is not allowing Congress to really do the kind of investigation that it would like to do? Do you allow a president to run Out The clock. And what does that. And they're saying. No we're going to get this done. And what would that do to the issue checks and balances. If you're not allowing Congress to do do it's job so to those who would say they're rushing it. The question is well if you don't want to rush it how about providing some more witnesses for the congress so they could hear from people who actually spoke with the president about these matters and of course the president's fighting that all the way through the courts do did their one witness today though. David made it clear that he thinks they are rushing. It and you should go ahead and fight that fight. Jonathan Turley right. He Warning Democrats and here is. It's why you want to set the record for the fastest impeachment. Fast is not good for impeachment. Fast in narrow is not a a good recipe for impeachments. If you rush this impeachment you're gonNA leave half the country behind. David Turley have fair points. Well he he had some problems with his argument. One is that the Andrew Johnson impeachment took. Place I I think. Three days after The offense for which he was Brought up on charges he was. He was wrong on his facts. It seems to me. It's kind of a paradoxical thing you heard erred. Members of the Judiciary Committee. Say we should be doing all these other things and we shouldn't be absorbed On impeachment and Turley arguing and and I guess they grabbed onto this. At point saying you're rushing glorious point is is the most important one which is it is the president who You know when they complain that all the evidence hasn't been hurt. The main witnesses are being withheld from the Congress by the president and they. I do want to run the clock. What if they did run this through the courts would ever be? Would they all be arguing. Now we've heard from other witnesses in June or whatever it happened and let's have the let's have the vote now know this you know. So it's kind of a cynical argument and I suspect those who don't want to impeach the president will seize on to it and those who feel the President committed impeachable offense. We'll have been compelled by the testimony of the others. So Jon Turley also tried to go at not just the the process itself but at some of the charges he said trump did not commit bribery. And I wanNA play him and then also professor Noah Feldman who obviously asleep completely the opposite as did the other professors were there and the president should be impeached. Here's Professor Turley and then Feldman this statement has been made made not just by these witnesses but chairman shift and others that this is a clear case of bribery. It's not and chairman. Schiff said that it might not fit. Today's definition of bribery but it would fit the definition back in the eighteenth century. The bribery theory being put forward. Oh Word is as flawed in the eighteenth century as it is in this century. Bribery had a clear meaning to the framers. It was when the president using the power of his office solicits or receives something of personal value from someone affected by his official powers. The president did commit an impeachable abuse office. So what do you make of that. Jon Turley China Muddy the water on on something. That is a pretty clear thing in all of this. which is You know bribery. Yes law professors arguing about historical Brian B. versus contemporary bribery Are GonNA come to very different conclusions. On what facts are needed. And that's what Turley is doing. He just throwing up some some dust in this whole thing. He he is one of those who as you said wants to slow this process down but era. There's a real reason the houses rushing and that's the case that chairman and shift made that. This is an ongoing offense. We saw it in two thousand sixteen when trump solicited the Russians and he's now solicited Not The the the Ukrainians but China so this is this is something that needs to be resolved before we get to the twenty twenty election and get a hold on it or focus the light on it so that trump is reluctant to do it. I all of you stay with me because you know I didn't play Professor Caroline in this segment because we're going to hear a lot from from her in just a moment You see her. She was just just quietly sitting there at the beginning and then she came out strong and now. Melania trump is slamming her after oppressor Carlin said this while the president can name his son Barron. He can't make him a baron and world leaders there's laughing with president trump or at him at the NATO meeting in London. Trumpster knew what they were doing. Remember to create an ad this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN four schools one national champion East sports most exciting gang. Thank the Collegiate Rocket League National Championship returns to the East Sports Stadium in Arlington Texas Tunin. TVs Friday December six at eleven pm eastern the breaking news one of the Democrats constitutional experts arguing that president trump should be impeached apologizing now for invoking president trump's thirteen year old son's name during today's hearing after she faced attacks for doing so here is Professor Pam Carlin initial comments and then her apology l'idee towards the end of the hearing contrary to what president trump has said article does not have give him the power to do anything he wants. And I'll I'll just give you one example that shows you the difference between him and king which is the constitution says there can be no titles of nobility so while the president can name his son son Barron he can't make him a barren. I want to Polish for what I said earlier about the president's son. It was wrong of me to to do that. I wish the president would apologize. Obviously for the things that he's done. That's wrong but I do regret having said that. Okay that came after crawling and faced a series series of attacks for doing so from Republicans the trump campaign and Milania trump who went on twitter and said a minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of Politics Pamela Carlin. You should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering and using a child to do it. Everyone is back with me Glory Look Professor Carlin's point of course that she was making was is made extremely clearly by the example. She used but she obviously did feel the need to apologize for that. At the end of the hearing it is extremely clear though With her performance in that hearing where she was completely -pletely unafraid. The team trump feels that she is a target. Now Oh yeah she is look and she admits she made a mistake. She's not used to testifying this this this environment. was not hospitable. To what was kind of not a great job and you know she apologized for it. Only after Milania I and of course the vice president himself also went after her so she is a target. She's a liberal professor and they tried to. Who did you contribute to? And they tried to figure out who these people voted for as well. So she's she's kind of an easy target for them. And when you you're not arguing the case itself you're arguing the process which they continue to argue all day and then you were arguing about the witnesses whom they felt. Were you know these egg heads. It's from liberal elite institutions. Right all right so so to the point that Gloria just made John Republican Congressman Matt Gates also called out Professor Carlin Harland for a series of donations. She made Democrats over the years. And let's just play that and then Carlin's defense. I recall and you gave two thousand bucks or you gave a thousand bucks to Elizabeth Warren Right. I believe so you gave twelve hundred bucks to Barack Obama. I have no no reason to question that and you gave two thousand bucks to Hillary Clinton. That's correct so much more for Hillary than the other two. Because I've been giving a lot of money to charity recently because of all of the poor people in the United States I have a constitutional right under the first amendment to give money to candidates at the same time. We have a constitutional duty to keep foreigners from spending money in our elections and those two things are two sides of the same coin. Another witness Michael Gerhardt. John also confirmed his family donated to President. There's an Obama and of course the Republican witnessed Said said he had voted against trump The question though remains should Democrats have found witnesses who who didn't provide this fodder right. Didn't have thousand dollar multiple thousand dollar donations to Democratic candidates. I don't know is that that was necessary. I don't know the even asked going in. Who did you contribute to? Who did you vote for? This is information. They could have found at the outset. What Matt Gaetz is doing is just really a sign of the Times? He's a cheap shot artist and he loves to do this and he did it. with APLOMB. So it was expected this sort of thing out of him and it really cheapens the process. And that's what they WANNA do. They I wanna make this look Like much more Unfair bipartisan. Lesson partisan undertaking and. That's what he tried to accomplish with those questions. Now David the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee also went after Professor Caroline and the other witnesses by suggesting so it wasn't just you know whatever ever their donations might have been. It was also that they did not actually know what they were talking about. Let me play that no offense to our professors but please really. You couldn't have possibly actually digested the Adam Schiff report from yesterday or the Republican response in any real way. No one who fired back David Professor Carl and here she is Mr Collins. I would like to say to you sir that I read transcripts types of every one of the witnesses who appeared in the live hearing because I would not speak about these things without reviewing the fact so I'm insulted by the suggestion that is a law professor. I don't care about those facts. David look she was unafraid to be competitive. was that effective well. I thought that the answer was very effective. And I thought that it's she signalled from the start that she was not going to be cowed by those kind of tactics. The joke was unfortunate. Something that you know when you're a professor you can make serve tasteless or bad jokes in the classroom and the and the students have to laugh But it shouldn't have happened there and and she was right to apologize and frankly she deserves the criticism she got but on that point. She was absolutely you know they were there. There esteemed scholars. She clearly clearly had done her homework and she wasn't gonNA get pushed around. I thought that was very effective but John's point is very important. The Republican strategy from the beginning was is to depict at this as a partisan scrum As politics as usual and take it out of the realm of something extraordinary and just fit it into the rubric of Washington Politics. So would gates did was very much in keeping with that as many of the other questions that were asked the question is how effective war. Republicans at trying to cheapen deepened the whole process. Well I think They did cheapen the process to a degree. I think that we learned a lot. However in this hearing about the constitution about what the framers had in mind when they were talking about high crimes and misdemeanors And and about What what the articles of impeachment quite honestly are likely to be abusive power bribery obstruction of Congress obstruction of justice? So try as as they did to kind of make this just a discussion about process and other things what we learned from these constitutional scholars. I think was very important for the American public whether that breaks through probably not to a degree I think people are probably sat. Is it's going to change any votes. I don't think so But it was a hearing that the judiciary committee ought to have. Yeah we did. We did as a country. Where you whether you whether you cared or whether it moves your view is almost beside the point? You didn't need to hear from people who who truly Know about this and know about the constitution. Thank you all very much and next. Republicans Republicans using the judiciary chairman. Jerry Nadler's own words against him. A new details on those phone calls at Rudy. Giuliani was making to the White House. 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Those are all chairman Nadler before he was chairman. I guess twenty years makes a difference right now. Rick Santorum Tournament former Republican senator of Pennsylvania. Joe Lockhart former Clinton White House. Press Secretary You know Joe what was powerful about Collins doing that and reading it. The way he did right is that it sounded like exactly the way you want. It sounded right that he was saying it now. And then that. That's that's chairman. Now they're twenty years ago What does this do for? Napa does need to defend himself. I don't I don't think it needs to defend their selfless and You know there's a lot of these things from NATO from nineteen ninety eight Lindsey. Graham has all sorts of stop guys in his class of his and and I'd argue the Jonathan Turley professor jury if you go back and look at his testimony. He testified in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight that if Congress this does not think something rises to the level of impeachment if they make that decision which Democrats who are doing it will vastly expanded executive power we we will regret it forever. That's exactly what he said. I think these things are two totally different things because I argued in one thousand nine hundred and it didn't rise to to do an impeachable offense because it was a very personal mistake. He made. It was wrong. He apologize for it and and he cooperated. He testified ally and yes it wasn't it wasn't this this. This goes to using the office of the presidency and a corrupt way in an abusive way to try to get a foreign country to influence zero actions. That's what the main takeaway today was. They the three other law professor said this is the worst thing a president has ever done worse than Nixon. Yep So what you're saying is what would now there said then could be completely consistent with what he what he believes. Now I mean senator you know well things can change when the shoe is on the other foot put Do Republicans really want to go down this path. Well Yeah I think they have to go down the path to show that. There's the there's hypocrisy let's see here on the part of the Democrats in and saying that you have to have a national consensus in order to move forward with impeachment. Clearly no matter how much they're convinced that the present order this is the worst thing the president of the United States has ever done which is a bit of hyperbole of itself but the even spider that the American public isn't with them. The vast majority thirty of the American public is I should say the American public is not fairly evenly certainly Republicans. You'd be right on fast. And so so the the idea that that moving eight four on a piece of and I go back and you know I look at the Clinton impeachment and say you know. In retrospect given the fact that the American public was not being moved by what was going on. And you know we may have thought better of moving forward because it certainly was not a political winner for us. I don't think in the end. This is going to be a political winner for the Democrats. So this is what we saw again and again. I'm from Republicans during the hearing today may make a parliamentary inquiry before you gentlemen is not in order for parliamentary inquiry clerk will call the roll. Our Mentoring Karma chairman. You're not recognized for elementary and create this time it's a championship. Emotion gentleman is not in order to to offer emotions determine I seek recognition. Russian gentleman's gentleman's recognized I offer emotion to postpone to a date certain and so it continued and then they'd have a of voice vote and then they would raise their hand and demand that it be counted. Then you'd have to go through all forty people in count them and it just delayed delayed delayed installed and the whole goal seem to be to slow the process down and sort of demeaned and diminished the chairman Did they succeed at all seek recognition to answer the question. I want rick to okay. call the roll on that. I don't think the I think maybe their success was in losing some viewership But the the they showed their hand early on which is they. Don't believe this is a serious process. They don't believe that what the president did on that call and not just on that call in the months preceding it and after Pressuring the Ukraine using the leverage of the aid and the presidential visit. They they just don't think there's there's anything wrong with that now. And that's popular at the Republicans but there was just a poll out speaking of Republicans that fifty three percent of Republicans thought that Donald Trump was a better under president than Abe Lincoln. So the world has gone crazy. Do you think they were. They were successful. They did keep doing this. And it did seem I. I will say watching a certain point. It hit a point where you say okay. This is just disrespectful. Yeah look I wasn't a big fan of what they did but Joe's right and that you're both right that the Republicans don't think that this is. This is a any president dating wrong at this is just another effort after the Mueller Investigation To to get this president and and that's really the stark difference between the Clinton impeachment impeachment which is even in the Clinton featuring you had Democrats get up and say you what the president did was wrong with. The president did was illegal. I mean he shouldn't lie grand jury but then they said it doesn't rise to level peach you don't even have that among Republicans and that's that's what makes this a much harder get Democrat. It's also what makes it sad. Honestly there are Republicans who are saying. It's wrong but they don't WanNa Peach John Thune might be in that category and others but but but certainly not in the house with with with. But that's what makes it wrong that they won't even look at the chargers they won't even deal with the evidence they won't even deal with the facts that were Democrats back then who looked heart. The evidence and criticized president couldn't harshly. And that's that's that's gone. All right. Next Rudy Giuliani is he in Ukraine. Tonight and president trump pulled punches launches when it comes to another world leader I and honestly with Nice Guy I find him to be a very nice guy. Can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain access to every game being played across the association every night with all new ways to watch through the NBA Visit Mba dot com or the NBA APP to get started today. That's the end of the mortgage. It's the dragon experiment. Are you gonNA play it or stop. I always sleep at Queen's secondly yes brick and mortar Sundays at eleven thirty only Komo Dope Swim. Breaking News Really Giuliani in Ukraine tonight. The New York Times Reporting Giuliani. Is there right now is is. He is front and center in the Ukraine scandal. Pretty incredible if so when reached by our Dana Bash off by text. Giuliani wouldn't confirm whether he's in Ukraine. Just saying he can't discuss what he's doing thing and this comes as we're learning new details about calls Guiliani made to someone identified. Only as dash one rene marsh out front newly. Julie revealed phone logs. Show repeated calls and text messages by Rudy Giuliani to the White House and the budget office but one number stands out and obscure single single digit caller noted as dash one on phone records. But you think Juliani was talking to who was number one. Probably somebody in the White House House House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff points to evidence shown during the Roger Stone trial including these phone logs showing a call from dash one the implication genetic trial it was probably trump. President trump Wednesday brushed it off personal attorney to talk to. I have to ask him. Sounds like something. That's not so complicated that you'd have to ask nobody deal. Giuliani took a similar tone. Tone via tweet quote. The mere fact I had numerous calls with the White House does not establish any specific topic remember. I'm the president's attorney and in a text message Giuliani told. CNN He didn't remember calling oem be and not about military aid. Multiple calls between Giuliani. Who is not a government employees and the White House including the situation room and the budget office came just days before the president's first call with Ukraine's new president on April twenty first and a few days after that? Call the records only show the calls and not the content but Giuliani speaking directly to the agency then in June instructed. The State Department and Pentagon to freeze military aid to Ukraine is raising concerns. Pay attention at Ukraine April twelfth. Eight hours before this Fox News parent short call from someone using the Office of Management and budget phone number. Two Rudy Giuliani. Then seconds later another call aw lasting more than twelve minutes. This time from a mysterious dash one after the Fox interview. That Giuliani is back on the phone with the White House for more more than five minutes. I think it gives some interesting information about Joe Biden from Ukraine about his son. Hunter Biden this same morning of this Fox snooze appearance on April twenty fourth record show three phone calls between Giuliani and a number associated with the office of Management and budget throughout the day. There were eight calls with someone at the White House. One of the calls between Giuliani Dash one lasted more than eight minutes later the same day the State State Department recalled embassador Marie Ivanovich over concerns from the White House and August. Eighth Giuliani Tech. So White House number at eight fifty three p the m a little over an hour later. He misses five calls from the Dash. One number place to both of his cell phones sixteen minutes later Dash One and calls him back and they talk for more than four minutes. This call came as Ukrainians were pushing. US diplomats for meeting between Dolinsky and Trump Democrats. Democrats say the call logs show the extent to which Giuliani was running the show on Ukraine matters conspiracy theories and the push for investigations that it does tell a story of Giuliani. Really being the guy who is doing all of these things driving this stuff in Ukraine and as we know uh-huh Rudy. Giuliani is not an employee of the federal government will Aaron. We cannot overstate it. What these phone records reveal are highly unusual as a former Oh? NBA officials said to me. This morning. There is no reason the president's personal attorney should be calling people at oem be regarding budgetary matters because that is what the agency handles. We should point out the budget office says that no one at the agency ever spoke to Giuliani. There is some speculation that some of the calls may have been to Mick Mulvaney Albania who earlier in this year. Move from to the White House but tonight a White House official told CNN that Mulvaney. Giuliani have not discussed Ukraine mulvaney. Call Paul Records show. He did not speak to the president during the Times noted in the report. So everyone's saying wasn't me all right. Thank you very much rene. And that's go now to C. N. N. justice correspondent. Evan Perez. So a lot of questions here. Obviously Rene said highly unusual. Will we find out who number one is is formerly and what was said on those calls with number one. Perhaps if someday Rudy Giuliani is has to answer questions about this Erin. Maybe we'll find out. Obviously as as you heard from. Rene the Democrats believe it is the president and the timing of this is right around the time that the president is about to oust the Ukrainian Ambassador Meriem Ivanovich It's also around the time of the end of the Muller reports so they're a lot of different explanations that Rudy Giuliani could eventually have to provide on this and as you just said here. There's reports Giuliani as Ukraine. Tonight it seems like a joke but apparently made true He wouldn't confirm is location to Dan. Abashed sort of playing coy game. All maybe I'll tell he later. What does this game? He's playing. Look he really believes that the only way to defend himself in the president given the fact that he's under investigation is go on offense and I think that's what you're seeing the Times. The New York Times reported that he's working on some sort of documentary which is going to blow this entire case wide open and so we'll see whether whether that that happens Aaron remember he's under investigation by the by the southern district of New York. Prosecutors there and still a lot of questions about what he was doing in Ukraine the the removal of this ambassador that could end up being part of a crime. So we'll see whether or not Giuliani ever has to answer questions about what he's doing all right Evan. Thank you very much and next video that has gone. 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20200131  Nicole Sandler Show - Impeachment & Bombshells with Elie Mystal & Lisa Graves

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20200131 Nicole Sandler Show - Impeachment & Bombshells with Elie Mystal & Lisa Graves

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. Your discretion is advised. Nicole Sandler the questioning authority daily. That could be the very reason why Youtube is upset. Hey you do the music music venue here beneath my voice is from a broadcast. Sound Library that I pay for an Hamlin receipts so I bet your toppy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole coal all right. We are starting well for the live program. Graham worst starting a couple of minutes early so if you found us at nine minutes till three o'clock thanks for being here early for everyone else You know if you listen on the podcast or if you listen on progressive voices all will be as it normally is so i. I guess I don't even need to to to embellish that anyway here we are Well how things change right this time time. Well not to sell last night and this morning when we awoke we figured it was all over but the crying that things were going to end today in the The Senate in Peach Mint trial of Donald Trump. Because well we heard last night. Well you know what I should go into the news. I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this. Because there's so much going on let me tell you. Today show was a busy one. We've got L. E. install actually a conversation. We recorded a few hours ago and we joked a made no secret of the fact that we were taping it in the morning because I said anything and everything it could change by the time this airs and yes a lot has changed. We'll get into all of it. And then Lisa grades will join us for the last half hour or so of the program and and Lisa is A. She's a brilliant she. She's a brilliant woman and she is a great legal mind as well. She is a veteran of the Department of Justice under Bill Clinton where she was an assistant. Deputy Attorney General. She was the chief counsel for the Senate Judiciary Committee when it was chaired by Patrick Leahy her her her experience is monumental. She has been quiet for the past week because she's been dealing with. I'm she was sick and under a doctor's orders where she couldn't talk so today she's finally able to talk and share with us her thoughts on everything that's going on but let's start with the news shall we. I won't even do it live well. I won't even play the recorded. Well I'll bring as much to live have is I can and again so much has changed since this morning. I guess we should begin with the latest bombshell. Yes we knew. There would be another bombshell and sure enough. We wonder would it be John Bolton more of him is he gonNA stand by Eilly early and watch as the Senate shirks its responsibility And and goes forth and makes this into a sham of an impeachment trial L. and calls no witnesses. Well somehow Maggie Haberman and Michael Schmidt at the New York. Times got another scoop two hours ago. Trump told Bolton to help his Ukraine pressure campaign. Book says reads the headline and let me just three to you from the New York Times more than two months before he asked Ukraine's president to investigate his political opponents. President trump directed John Bolton then his national security advisor to help with his pressure campaign to extract damaging information on on Democrats from Ukrainian officials according to an unpublished manuscript by Mr Bolton quote Mr Bolton gave the instruction Mr Bolton wrote during an Oval Office conversation in early May that included. That's my drummer. Because I don't appoint handy ready. That included the acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. The president's personal lawyer Rudolph Giuliani and the White House. Council Pat Simple Loney. Who is now leading the president's impeachment defense? I want that to sink in Mulvaney. Giuliani end SIP. Aloni were all in the room. When trump told Bolton directed him as something that Jason Leopold reported months ago and was you know raked over the coals for well. He's been vindicated directed. Him Trump directed him to Investigate to to set up a meeting with your let me just finish. Mr Trump told Mister Bolton to call a lot of Mir's Alinsky. He would recently won election as president of Ukraine to ensure misspelled. Mr Zilenski would meet with Mr Giuliani. who was planning a trip to Ukraine Ukraine to discuss the investigations that the president sought in Mr Bolton's account Mr Bolton never made the call he wrote and so Adam Schiff began today's arguments which were ostensibly about the Whether or not to call witnesses with that information. Here's a little bit of it today. We were greeted needed to yet another development in the case when the New York Times reported with a headline that says trump told Bolton to help his Ukraine mean pressure campaign book says the President Asked his National Security Advisor last spring in front of other senior advisors to pave the way for a meeting between between Rudolph Giuliani and Ukraine's new leader according to New York Times more than two months before he asked Ukraine's president to investigate his political opponents. President Trump directed John R Bolton then his national security advisor to help with this pressure campaign to extract damaging information on Democrats Ukrainian officials according to an unpublished manuscript by Mr Bulletin. All right it goes on from there. I'm not GonNa play the whole thing just because we're rushed for time and actually I started the show five minutes five minutes ago almost minutes early. I should've started earlier still because we've got a lot of territory to cover. So here's what's going on on they're on. I think he said a thirty minute break. They'll give us time to listen to the interview. I recorded this morning with Ellie Mishal To bring us to where we are now and then on the other side we'll go back to the hearing will check in and out of it live along along with Lisa graves. Who will fill us in on the background and what we're seeing in and answer the myriad of questions I certainly have for her so anyway? Let's let's not waste any time. Let's get right to Ellie missile. I got to apologize to the youtubers because I actually. I got dressed. I I put on makeup this morning because we recorded it at ten. AM So. I would have video to go with it. Because I know you. youtubers like to watch But you know I'm I'm on the computer now and I had old settings and it it I I had it saving the video to a location that doesn't exist so the video didn't save thankfully. I was recording audio separately. So we have that so apologies to those of you who like to watch Anyway you'll get to just stare at the picture of dolls lovely face and beautiful Afro. All right take it away Nicole. I'm honored and sort of upset at the same time to welcome our next guest to the program. Ellie Mishal is the newly named justice correspondent for the nation Shen covering the courts criminal justice system and politics and by the way I should mention that given the ever fluid nature of news. Is these days that we're recording this Friday morning at ten eastern I point that out because the way things are going everything could change the minute we hang up But Elliott as we begin talking today. How are you feeling this morning? Yeah I'm I'm I'm devastated. Somewhat obviously sleet but not surprised which is a weird feeling right like the the outcome that was always most likely though the level of corruption and cowardice. Yes that we would see from. The Republican Party was always the most likely answer And yet it's still crushing to see right. It's still it's it's a bit like watching a tragedy and you know how it's GonNa an 'cause it always ends the same way but it's still heart wrenching. You know oh it's still heart wrenching to watch you know. Cleopatra put the ass into her chest right. It's the death is still affects you. I'm that's kind of where I am. I now as you point out. It's ten o'clock who knows where we are. You know by one o'clock by three o'clock I mean there. There are still shoes to drop and I think that not so much a level of hope but one thing that I I think that everybody has understand. Trump Republicans included that. There's more dirt on this corrupt king you have elected That will just continue to come out exactly. And that's the thing that I mean. I can't imagine how they can wear these blinders. They have to know the book granted. It may be tied up in the courts beyond on the publication date of March seventeenth. But these stories will come out and look. I never thought I'd look at John. Bolton is the guy who's going to set things straight straight in this country. I mean talk about twisted logic but it sounds like he wants to tell the truth he wants to let everybody know what this president has has done and is capable of doing and I don't think he's going to be silenced. The problem is it'll come after the formal impeachment proceedings are done. So where do we go from in there. I mean quite clearly there. The Republicans are just responding to the short-term danger right and the short term danger is as is allegedly a trump aide said people who cross trump will have their heads on. That is the danger that they are most concerned about right now. And Tomorrow's danger they'll look like fools that they'll look complicit they will look like cowards. That's just something they'll have to deal with tomorrow like they're they are so so wrapped up into this world. Where where where trump I mean the again I keep going back to this word cowardice and I and I don't even mean it as convective I mean it as an accurate description of where these people are like they they are afraid of Donald Trump and they are more afraid of donald trump than anything else? They're more afraid of donald trump than the actual voters they're more afraid of donald trump than the than history history They're more afraid of trump and ruining the country they would rather ruin the country then cross Donald Trump. That's how scared they are. It's it's inconceivable conceivable. I mean literally inconceivable that so many senators would allow themselves to be basically blackmailed. In this respect. We're if they put up a unified front if a half a dozen of them got together and said you know what we're going to stand for what's right we're going to stand for the constitution we're going to Stanford Stanford country over party. They could make a move but they won't in fact last night so Elliott's style I gotta say as much as I'm loving reading you in the nation regularly now anybody who's not following your twitter feed and hasn't been over the course of this impeachment. Trial has really been missing out because you you deserve an award for have you watched every moment of the proceeds. I have watched this gavel-to-gavel I need to go to the dentist. Perfect Brown my teeth into into serious problems. I probably need a new prescription on my glasses but I have watched gavel thank queue for it. Because you've made the sacrifice that many of us couldn't at E. L. E. E. NYC is ellie dolls. Twitter Account. What you should be following so you? You've you've provided just nonstop commentary for those of us who couldn't stay glued to the proceedings the entire time were you surprised At the end of yesterday's Day two of the question and answer session that Lamar Alexander who all the TV pundits were saying. He's the guy to watch because he's retiring. He could do the right thing here so he. He released a statement in fifteen tweets on twitter. Basically saying thing. Yeah he's guilty. We know he's guilty. The house managers proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. He's guilty. But we'RE NOT GOING TO I. We don't need to hear you are anymore because we know he's guilty but it's not impeachable anyway. What they adopted this Wackadoo argument surfaced by professor lesser? Alan Dershowitz in the Criminal Defense of Donald Trump and that wackadoo argument is that abuse of power is not impeachable. He's just wrong And that it's not impeachable because A president's motives can never be questioned so long as the president or any politician believes that they are acting in the public interest and of course the their their reelection is a legitimate thing for them to believe is is in the public interest. It is not just. I'm using Wacko doodle to try to emphasize how crazy and rejected this theory. He is nobody credible. Agrees with Alan Dershowitz on this point except for apparently the entire Republican party like. That's that's how insane this is. It's almost like I mean the best way I can put. It is getting mortgage advice from a homeless man and then going to you know. JP Morgan chains and being like I I've been told That if I pay you five dollars I get to have this house thirty years mortgage free like it's it's insane But the Republican Party and Lamar Alexander specifically in his tweet storm have adopted this ridiculous Legal Argument Hook Line and sinker because it gets them what they want and what they want is to not cross Donald Trump. It's amazing and it's just like Lamar Alexander. He's an elderly man he's retiring is he. So right so it's not not like saying like oh he's got to consider his future seven. Go we consider his futures. Maybe talking about you know. Do we're here to your. I mean you're saying what I'm thinking I mean my kids twenty I all I could could think was at least I'm old. I'm not going to be that much longer. But I have a kid. Her futures ahead of you of a seven year old. My goodness what does is this. Pretend for the future I mean again. They don't and so. This is another point that I think it's hard for liberals to hear Because it sounds down so so dark but I am not wrong. The reason the the the reason the the arguments don't work that low. Well if you do this for Republican president. Whoa what's going to happen when there's a Democratic president the reason why that argument doesn't work on Republicans is because Republicans believed that they are on the cost of installing stalling one party rule? Okay like their actions over the past generation and certainly accelerating from Bush v Gore on have all been towards establishing minority white rule in a majority minority country going forward. That is their plan so they don't plan to have to have to worry about what they'll do if there's a Democratic president who acts like this because they don't attend that for there to be Democratic president who acts like this because they don't intend to allow Democrats to be elected anymore. That is the point of all the gerrymandering that is the point of all the voter suppression. That that's the point of the Electoral College to keep Democrats out of power forever from their perspective. Right point number two and this the what I want to focus people on the very last question that Republicans ask 'cause it gave away the whole game. Senator Mike Braun from Indiana where I lived for thirteen months of night. I wasn't counting like thirteen months. Nineties about eight hours I got you. I had to stay in New Mexico like like that so I understand. It was four months for me but Thirty Micron from Indiana. His last question was well. Shouldn't Joe Biden be impeached for his Involvement in the burris scandal. Now the president says shut up but and the answer from trump's lawyers who were who spent eighteen hours surfacing this walk into legal theory that trump can't impeach for power said yes in fact under their theory Joe Biden absolutely. We could be impeached for Brima because Joe Biden was doing it for money when she wasn't and there's no evidence that and whatever but it gives away the whole game if the the Democrats are in power the Republicans will just impeach them. They do not care they do not care about boxy of it not care about the legal precedents. They will impeach them if they can if the Republicans are in the position where they have enough votes than peach a Democratic president for anything. They will do that because they I do not believe that Democrats have an equal rights and opportunity to as they do that is their plan. It's astounding astounding. I mean. I've been rendered speechless so often over the last week and a half that unlike me because I usually have something to say right or wrong. I've I have got some response and I found myself tongue tied because I can't believe what is happening here. Quick aside you mentioned whack a doodle Alan Dershowitz and his ridiculous victimless arguments. which then he went on? TV yesterday blasting everyone for you know misrepresenting what he said it was carried live. We heard what he said. You're a graduate of Harvard law school just Harvard. Need to come out and disowned Alan. Dershowitz would they I had I had with. I've had some in our criminal law. Goodness I know the guy There's a there's an aspect. That's actually kind of heartbreaking to not to watch him do this but I will say it Kinda tracks with his whole career. There's New Yorkers like we people outside of New York while go Rudy Giuliani. When did he go crazy? And you know he's always like you really all always been Kinda Dershowitz right like he didn't just suddenly go. Crazy is entire legal. Career is a good friend of mine on twitter. Poll puts it. He is a criminal defense fabulous like his his. His entire career has been to just eventful cloth. Ridiculous theories of criminal defense. Because tickles brainy parts And so that's what he was doing again. Today it would be weird for Harvard to disown him now because he hasn't actually said anything What's Roman for it? It's not like he's broken type right. He's always been this guy who will say anything fair. Unfair legal illegal ethical unethical. He does not care He will always say whatever he thinks he can to help his clients. He actually Tim Wu who is a professor at Columbia Columbia Law. School and Was a one time. Lieutenant Governor candidate here in New York state He put on twitter. He also had Dershowitz for Criminal Law And he played out. How a sorry? Yeah there's with for ethics and wrong about how Dershowitz in his ethics class would teach that if you are are zealously defending your client. There is no ethical bar. Anything you do in Zealous Defense of your client is ethical. Now that is. That's not how most people teach ethics and Harvard has been letting him teach ethics this way for thirty forty years so it would be weird now for Harvard. Be like man. Well now now he's just now he's just nutsy like no they've they've allowed this guy to he's always been like this at some level. He's he's just it's it's just a question of are the cameras actually paying attention to what this man a say. Wow everything is upside down. I call it opposite world world where nothing in his out up down left his right. Although in this case right is insane right right it is completely wrong so here we are again. It's Friday morning. The latest we know is that Lamar Alexander says no need for more witnesses. We know he's guilty but yeah so what. Well it's okay. Well let the voters decide in November. Because I don't know why we hear Susan. Collins trump conceal it right Susan Collins then comes out immediately after Lamar Alexander says I'm GonNa vote for witnesses right mighty courageous just of her to come out when it really doesn't mean anything at that point because what happens is even if Lisa Murkowski and Mitt Romney vote to call offer witnesses that in the best case scenario would make a fifty fifty tie. Everyone saying John Roberts although he should step in and be the tiebreaker won't go there because what he's got no balls a tie means no witnesses call do I am I reading that correctly. Yes Hi goes the Republicans unless unless Roberts breaks the tie now Roberts I believe is empowered to break the tie. I believe that would be well in keeping with the Senate rules and procedures leaders. He is in fact the presiding officer of the Senate during the impeachment trial. When you know in a normal Senate hearing the vice president is the presiding officer the better it and he can break ties but Robert's Ken also relatively credibly argue that? No it's not his place to break ties at all. And because because we know two things Roberts likes to keep the court and the the theory of the court out of the political fray a B Roberts the Republican so when you put those two things together are the most and when you realize that a tie goes to the Republicans. The most likely thing is that Roberts will not take a vote at had all claim that he is not doing it because he has some kind of hire objective legal purpose and still get his goal of helping helping the Republicans do what they want. So it's in for Roberts if he doesn't vote whereas whereas if he does vote to break the tie either way then and he loses the protection of he was just doing the minimalist a version possible and actually has to get the ire of whatever oversight is disappointing has ruling so. I don't think John could save us. I don't think he will save John. Robert doesn't believe in saving the country. He believes in saving his own reputation. Wow but but one could argue that this will not save his reputation mutation at all enshrine him as a partisan hack who allowed a criminal president to keep running scams on the nation but I mean gene does he care because he's already enshrined among Progressive Care Right. Like I like John Roberts. Lost all pretension to not a a a political hack when he randomly decided to end racism in the south and eviscerate the voting rights act in this region and of that Voting Rights Act. That is one of the proximate causes for trump's election in the first place right so people like me are already like you know Roberts can go jump in the lake you don't really care about people like me other Republicans. Will you know parrot like well you list. Who did the right thing? That's what they'll say. Okay and that's all he cares about because that's who he hangs out with at dinner parties so there's no one of the things that I've written in. The Nation is that we have to understand that the sins that Republicans are committing right. Now the hypocrisy the dissembling the deceit. These sins are are not crimes they are social sense right and then they only have consequences within a community. Republicans skins are happy to live outside of that community in their own kind of jaded world. Right so they are not subject to shame or derision Because they don't live in the world with the rest of us. They're not in polite society there in Republican Society. It's like one of the things that I've written that should and will be shamed forever. Perhaps in the pages of the New York Times don't worry they will still have opportunities used to go dancing with the stars like there is a whole other like horrible Republicans society that will still embrace these people. Love the people and give these these people. TV shows on Fox News and these bring on guests on podcast lose a whole ecosystem of Republicans publicans always. Oy God Ellie. Masao is with us. I gotta ask you. I noticed your reaction on twitter following what I thought might have been the most provocative question yesterday and it came from Elizabeth Warren. Let me just lay. Let me play the question because I want to get your reaction to it at first. I honestly didn't know how to react. Here's what happened in yesterday. The question from Senator Warren is for the house managers at a time when large majorities of Americans have lost faith in government does the fact that the chief if justice is presiding over an impeachment trial in which Republican Senators have thus far refused to allow witness or evidence contribute to the loss awesome legitimacy of the chief justice the Supreme Court and the Constitution. WHOA now with looks? There were daggers. Coming coming out of Chief Justice John Roberts is because the way the cameras were placed. I couldn't tell if he was looking directly at Elizabeth. Warren I think you'll probably was okay. So WOAH WHOA. Whoa so what happened there so Liz? Warren apparently has balls or whatever. You WanNa call right like she. She is fresh out of APPs to give And so she threw major league shade right at Robertson. meet him read the Damn question himself What what she was saying and that question stripped of all kind of a lightning? uh-huh was that warrants playing a long game there. She understands that she understood then when she asked that question that it was as likely as not that we would end up and they fifty fifty type situation about this witness question right and she threw shade right Robert saying if you do not vote for witness how can people view you as a legitimate judge right which is a totally fair question right. They were him to think that's why his face was all like busy Like you just like sucked on a sucker low but but that that is the operative question. Liz Warn Warne was doing the work of reminding John Roberts that the entire nation. We'll be watching him when he also helps. The Republicans pins cover up the information about Donald Trump and John Bolton's book. That's what she was doing right and I thought she did it. I'm sorry you thought she did it. How level of just not just brilliantly but also like it just straight up take some level of like stuff to do it in the form that she did it now? Will it affect Roberts. Probably not because what he's appointed for life and he knows it like he's he knows he is beyond accountability from anybody and there is also the the the and as I pointed out on twitter. There's also the the funding that let's not forget if Elizabeth Warren should win the presidency and put forward Eddie of her great AAC plans or whatever is going to be sitting there with a conservative majority court we knock all of them down right. You're not getting and it's something that I've told progresses a lot of us in the lead up to the election. I mean technically Iowa's like what tomorrow sunshine. Yeah right right but like one of the things that I've been warning progressive. Look I like these plans to but the Supreme Court is thing and if you don't have a a plan for court packing or court reform in some way all this going to happen is that you're GonNa pass all these bills and a five four conservative majority on. The Supreme Court is going to call them. Unconstitutional petitional remember. Obamacare is only thing because Roberts changed it. Yeah you know to to make a thing He easily could have struck obamacare macaire down. He's still might strike obamacare now as their new challenges to that. And certainly when we get into questions of Medicare for all or ending private insurance any he kind of gun legislation. Supreme Court will be sitting there as a block on all of these plants. And you know throwing a little bit of shaded you know John Roberts is is not a pet him. I mean I say a lot of negative things about Roberts. He is not a petty man so I do not believe that anything. Any of this will truly affect his decision But you know being nice to Roberts is kind of a thing you might WanNa be if you were really hoping to be president right. I thought it was counterproductive. I mean I applauded applauded. Her question is like yeah you go girl and then I thought is this smart. I don't know now. La Misspelled you brought up the idea of court packing. And that's something that Elizabeth Warren has said she's in favor of Bernie Sanders has said he's not for those who don't understand with the Republicans having such a majority for generations that Lisa generation to come on the Supreme Court. Some have advocated for increasing the number of justices on the court which is something that that a Democratic president into could do if we indeed ever get another Democratic president. Is that something you you think is a good idea. I'm a huge fan of court packing and I don't I'm a huge court packing guy and I'm not just like A. We should add one or two. I'm saying I'm saying we should add ten. Whoa live off of this thing And I have a couple of reasons for that one is just straight up like if we don't the Republicans just win right like that. There's a real politique aspect to my support for court. Packing the second reason is truly out of court reform kind of a perspective One of the problems. uh-huh we have at the Supreme Court right now. I believe not that the Supreme Court has too much power. I actually think Supreme Court unlike some reformers. I think it's been great. Actually has the the right amount of power as an institution. The problem is that each individual just has too much power because they are there are so few of them right so that if one justice randomly ties here there one has a heart attack eating the steak sandwich if another gets cancer if another gets hit by a bus it it massively changes the political course of the nation depending on who happens to be president and control in control of the Senate. At that time it would actually really be at this point political malpractice for the party out of the White House but in control of the Senate to not do everything possible to stop the confirmation Asian of a justice in who was against their politics because that justice will wheel power against their political agenda for the next twenty thirty forty years right so that the that goes to the aspect that each individual in our country if you blew the court up from nine to say nineteen to say twenty. Is he one. Which is how the California Court of Appeals? Works Right The ben over the over the fullness of time you kind of expect things to work themselves out now right so while the court as an institution would still have a whole lot of power. The death of any one particular judge any one particular time would not be be the kind of thing that could massively change the course of our politics. I mean right now. A woman's right to choose. I mean a Basic right to choose a woman. slights her birth control. I keep tying this because people forget. Just how crazy. These Republicans are. It's not just that. They're anti abortion. Most of them are high birth. Control a woman's right to reproductive choice West entirely on the shoulders of an eighty eighty six year old three time cancer. That's right that that that is who is being a Ginsburg is and that is how close we are to losing of these rights. So that shouldn't be right like like no woman should have that much power. No justice should have that that much responsibility right. I hear Ya and the weights. We'll leave her. Burden is to add ten twelve thirteen not more judges more. Justin is So that if route Beta Ginsburg you know. Wanted to retire. And spend her last days with her family and she wouldn't have to be trying to time the entire thing out to make sure there wasn't a crazy Republican in office. I hear you I I I love the argument. I and it's the best way I've heard it put so thank you for that. Ellie missile are. I could talk to you for hours and I know you don't have hours to spend the senate's going to reconvene. We're talking now. It's ten twenty nine eastern time Friday morning and in a few hours. What's going to happen? Is they will reconvene. They will spend four hours. Allegedly debating the question of whether or not ought to allow witnesses and documents entered in a trial. Go figure and then and then they'll vote on it. Some of the predictions are. This is go go well into the wee hours of tomorrow morning. Do you hold out any hope that somebody is going to come. Forward in. The right thing will be done here always have hope I think Yeah you know. There's my best thoughts of hope. Are that Richard Berger Carolina airliner is a national security hawk Lamar Alexander explained. Trump's obvious crimes Alexandra th. They're obvious crimes of their non peachable. I don't know that Burgers with that at a bird does think that these obvious crimes have happen. Maybe he uh-huh for witnesses to hear more information. I don't have a lot of hope with that because again which bears Republican. He's a Senate chairman and he he needs McConnell to get what do you backing him and North Carolina's not at all a safe state. So you know there's I don't have a lot of open there's bird and then you know there's also the chance that John Roberts you know with the the fastball with the shades from Elizabeth. Warren really does think a little bit more About his legacy It it would be so easy for him to actually gene points with Democrats and progressives who think. He is a Republican plans if he voted did for witnesses so that would later he votes to take away women's rights or take away. LGBTQ rights or take away Minority Rights when he does those things things which he absolutely will still do when he gets back to the Supreme Court. At least people won't be able to easily say like us. He's the Republican like if you will. It buys him a little bit of intellectual credibility if he votes for witnesses. So there's still a chance that he will. I guess I still hold out a little bit of the hope of a chance that he might do that. Okay and say it's a full right. It's our last hope. Gotcha now last ask questions say. He doesn't come through. He does what you would expect of a Republican in today's world. What where do we go tomorrow? What happens next well? They don't vote for witnesses. Trump wants wrapped up by the Super Bowl so that he can have the Super Bowl interview I don't know so if they will burn the midnight oil to both vote against witnesses and acquit him tonight They might push the actual quibble. Vote 'til Monday Don't be before this. He will be acquitted. That is what they want. That is what they will get what we do. I mean what can we do but vote though what they do but voting election that they're trying to steal. What can we do other than have overwhelming obvious? Turn out so when they try to steal the election. They still can't so when he tries to stay in office after losing election. She is forced out. All we can do is vote and vote and vote blue no matter who like I think one of the only silver linings ray of hope so that I can see from this Experience is that you know wall. We haven't been focusing on the Democratic primary before impeachment happened Before the trial started the Democratic primary was starting to fray the edges in terms of like like some real backbiting and ugly amongst the candidates. I hope that this experience reminds every Democrat regardless of who you support that you're voting for the damn nominee I wanna hear about your personal petty bullcrap voting for the Damn nominee in November. Remember because that's the only way to stop this crazy man And I hope that this. There's a chance that this impeachment everybody. If you go back to November ninth twenty sixteen uh-huh everybody was so crushed so devastated. So just you know you know hopeless right But trump gets normalized. This crap gets gets normalized and you start to like have coping mechanisms and learn how to deal with it in some way and once you get the armor and those coping mechanisms. It's Kinda on a easy to go back into your own pettiness. It'd be like you know I I I don't like candidates arena or whatever it is right like you can you can. It's easy you to do that. I hope this reminds people of what we're actually fighting right and we're not the person that we're fighting is not. It's not it's not Medicare it's not some policy that I don't like that's not what we're fighting. We're fighting a criminal bigot misogynist sexual predator. That's who we're fighting. And the Republicans are willing to do anything to keep him in power and so we have to be willing to do anything which includes for people that I might not otherwise life. That's right get him out of power that's right. La Michelle you are the best thank cute the nation for hiring you. You're you're awesome. Everyone needs to follow you on twitter and review at the nation. La Michelle thank you so much. Thank you for doing the work you do. And and thank you for sharing some of your time with us. I truly appreciate it. You too. bye-bye Ellie Moscow. He really is a gem. I again again. He's he's funny as he has knowledgeable which makes him so entertaining so If you're just joining us that was Ellie Masala conversation. We recorded this morning. Because if you're not following Elliot on twitter you should be. He's been live tweeting. The entire. You're in peach mint trial. He has watched gavel-to-gavel. He's got a stronger constitution than I do in many respects tax. So all right here. We are Nicole Sandler. Thank you for being with us in just a moment. We're going to get Lisa Graves on the line and I'm going to let Lisa Explain Blaine to you. Her background and why I was so anxious to have her on the show as I mentioned at the beginning she's been battling a throat infection and she was under doctor's orders to you be quiet so far throughout the entire impeachment trial. She's a fairly regular guest Lawrence O'Donnell's on the last word but she hasn't been able to do anything so now that she got the doctor's okay to speak she'll join us in just a moment. Just checking it looks like the Senate is still on their recess. Yeah they're not back yet before we get Lisa. We didn't start with any funny and thought I'd send you this. I haven't played much audio from any of the Republican members of Donald Trump's legal team. Just because it's all infuriating but Boca Brittany Witney. Summers sent me a little bit. She put together using an exact. The exact audio from one of Pam Bondi's presentations Pam. Bondi in case you're not familiar was Florida's attorney general under Rick Scott. Donald Trump bought her off in the Trump university lawsuit by giving her a huge a campaign donation. And then she mysteriously all of a sudden dropped. You know the Florida's part of the lawsuit go figure and now. She's on his impeachment team so she got up the other day and did a presentation and somebody in a in a tweet that went viral Said Pam Bondi should learn not to go on the Senate floor after taking such a big bong yet. So here's here's Pam Bondi just a minute of her presentation from the other day because you need to hear it this and just know her audio has not been edited at all. This is as has it happened. Live on the Senate floor. As far as we know Hunter Biden has said he quote attended a couple board meetings. We know that he did involving involving Barista and Zoloft Ski. The Norway trip was June of two thousand fifteen. He remained on the board word. Okay she's turning pages now too bro. I Oh my God twenty. Nineteen the Florida woman. All right. Let's not wait any longer. Senate still not back in session. Let's bring Lisa Graves on the line. Lisa how's the voice Nicole. Thank you for having you have a little squeaky. But it's nice to be speaking again. Oh It's so oh nice to hear you now. I tried to figure out how to identify you on the Chiron on Youtube and just wrote Legal Oh expert DOJ veteran but you've actually worked for every branch of the government has a legal mind right. I did I would the senior adviser all tree branch of the federal government and I turned down an offer to go work in the White House. Counsel's office also but I was deputy attorney. General at the Justice Department and the Office of Policy Development or legal policy Was the chief counsel nomination for the Senate Judiciary Committee for Senator Lahey when he was chairman and then ranking member and I was the deputy bt of the article three Judges Division for the United States Court for the administrative office. They're helping all the judges in the country. Wow so you must. Your are head must be spinning from the judges that that have been appointed during Donald Trump's term that Mitch McConnell has has rammed through the Senate Talking to see so many unqualified patently for patently unqualified people. Being put forth for lifetime positions. The people who have very little trial experience hurting presiding over trial people who have experienced predominantly bloggers people who've been rated not qualified by all or some of the members of the ABA Megan Barth Association Review Committee He trump has really drawn. The bottom of the barrel and McConnell has has been willing to install those people on the court to try to advance their right wing political agenda Rather than to could be on the actual role of law and the defense of the Constitution. Of course that's the expected from McConnell given his track record of hostility toward our constitutional rights. Yeah no kidding no I should also let listeners know that aside from after your work in government. You've been an activist. You've you've been a researcher. You've you headed up the Center for Media and Democracy which is the group that exposed Alec Alec Exposed Dot Org was one of the websites in fact. They're back in the news again today today with another story you've been doing great at public advocacy work all these years and and so it's great to have your input on so many different levels. Lisa graves I guess we should. They're still on a break. I should I should ask you what your thoughts are this morning about. Put the impeachment trial so far. Are you as in disgust as I am at the at the way it's gone well it's a sham You know it's a it's a travesty and I am disgusted I am I think. Millions of Americans are disgusted that These majority these senators are refusing to have witnesses that a trial. You can't really call it a trial. There aren't witnesses what it really is is an effort to try to to quote exonerate unquote trump. So he can walk around. And claiming was exonerated in this big trial in which he blocked witnesses from testifying and he would aided by the most base and partisan members of the legislature in forty trial. I think back on our history and the Sort of eighteen minutes. Gaffe in the Watergate tapes. This is so much for that. An eighteen minute gap This is a multi Both Hi witness suppression by this president. Aided and abetted by those senators and they will go down in history for this travis this sham the salt on the rule of law. Unfortunately justice is not as some of US would like no. It isn't now. I'm sure you've heard the news. New York Times broke a story around around noon eastern time today more from John Bolton's forthcoming book. This one. He says that that this all began began earlier than we previously previously been told that in fact John Bolton's book tells the story of a meeting in front of other senior advisors including Mick Mulvaney. Rudolph Giuliani who is not. Actually a senior adviser is not A. It doesn't work for the administration. Allegedly and White House counsel PATs Baloney in which trump gave bolt in explicit instructions to call presidents Alinsky who had just been elected elected and tell him to meet with Giuliani to discuss these investigations at the president wanted. There's this raises so many questions after hearing this news can any senator say now we don't need to hear. Witnesses apparently recounts he can't because she claims. But there's the we have a fair trial in the Senate And so she's not voting for witnesses. I hope the citizens of Alaska hear that loud and clear and what Sam is I would say that in my personal capacity it's shocking absolutely shocking for the Senate I two innocence violate their duty to really to hear the evidence to hear evidence that is obviously relevant obviously Germane to this This case to refuse to hear it. It's like you know it's almost as if they have their your fingers in their areas and they're just going non on me they don't want that evidence to be seen but but really when I'm saying that it's not that they don't WanNa see the evidence although although perhaps maybe some of them don't they don't want you to see the evidence they don't want you the American people to see those witnesses to hear from those witnesses they don't want you to hear from Mick Mulvaney in in here either. Lie or invoke the fifth or evade. They don't WanNa hear John Bolton tell what he saw under oath or in the in the hall of the Senate they don't want you the American people to see that they want you to just get your news from or your news really in in in the truest sense from Fox And believe the lives of the President's council the President's lawyer Yeah it's I mean it's astounding. This is opposite world and I don't know so so it looks like they're coming back into session but so Lisa how do they. I mean the news is GonNa come out with the New York Times had this the book will eventually be released. And if it isn't if the White House holds it up I fully expect John Bolton given what he's been doing to go and do some kind of wide ranging interviews reviews and spill all can they can the Democrats then backtrack and say call. They're talking about if the Senate doesn't call Bolton they might can they would. They open a new impeachment proceedings. What happens next well? We're in uncharted territory. Quite frankly we've never seen such lawlessness. I think that Richard Nixon and all of his party in all of his You know ray ranging being malicious the evidence from the tapes that were expunged and do any rate never probably even dreamed of this level of hostility. this level of just Just complete defiant of the Of the Congress Maybe he did. It just didn't even have the guts to try it right. Now they got it really just takes an absolute Contempt for the rule of law a total contempt for the United States Constitution for the role of Congress and the role of the Senate So there's nothing that prevents the house from having these witnesses. Come and testify. Although of course we continue to have the White House objecting without actually thirty executive privilege so they would continue to play the Games especially now as you point out at the beginning of this conversation that they packed the courts and stack the courts with right wing partisans. I don't trust the rule fairly in these cases but The fact is that that American people deserve to know this. Everybody deserve to have this information under oath. They deserve the truth. And not the lies of this administration restriction not the outright abject Up You the truth by the White House counsel and by these senators On the Republican inside who are are Lennox walking in lockstep because of trump's fundraising and they're perhaps their fear of him and the cultish followers that he has accumulated through his completely You know his his his Incredible record of lying every single all day every single day multiple time. Yeah every time. He opens his mouth. It's another lie about even the most mundane things I mean. He allies about big things. He lies about small things. You know I feel a Dr Seuss book coming on about like you know and also just the contempt the contempt for the press the completely ridiculous setup by Bonk. Mike pompeo certainly aspirations of his own for the White House. Let alone perhaps the Senate in Kansas this is a man who who is just another bully? Like the president You know we're less with just the belief in the sycophants in this administration. I was thinking today when you look at Who the White House counsel who the White House countless that advisors are you know for example you know his his Outside counsel who's been speaking Before Congress as secrecy and all I can think of is oil sticks together it congeals heels and this is a rancid oil. Yes around president really is so you got you got secolo. Who by the way I saw piece today and one of the papers that his office consists of a post office box a few miles away from the White House that there is no? It's just sounds shady as all get get out whether that's true or not I don't know but even more heavily pieces charity geared sixty five million dollars to trump lawyers Seco Secolo and his family owned what you see over and over with you die with is You know trump sexy secrets. I guess superpower. Maybe not secret if he can could identify currently the most corrupt in the room and bond with them different one corrupt person after another like a magnet. It's like instead of being a magnet for good he's a magnet for uh other Other power hungry corrupt figures. People who either are you know are corrupting like immoral. Sounds like nothing. They've been convicted of a crime turning to crime. Perhaps some of them should I can name a few that I think should be but the fact that he corrupts people who are the most Venal. Those is willing to subjugate themselves to him to be proximate to his power and he's such a shallow person so willing to I. Use the office of the presidency that he's a steward of that office to use it for his own personal game for family game of political opportunism And to advance on his own really crooked agenda Undermining the rule of law the fabric of this country. And say what you really mean Lisa. No I couldn't agree more. But Lemme ask you this from the. The allegations made in the latest Bolton bombshell that that was in the room back in May when Donald Trump directed John Bolton to call Vladimir's Alinsky and set up a meeting with Giuliani to talk about the investigations that trump wanted pets Bologna. Is the White House counsel number one. Which means we're you're paying him he's not Donald Trump's attorney he's the attorney for the office of the President and he's he's representing trump in this impeachment? Isn't that a violation on a bunch of different levels. Well it certainly seems like a topic of interest. Apparently I'm people owning was put on notice or a couple of weeks ago that he could be called. Ask the witness Blah Allah. He is a witness. And so you you have the situation which trump has somehow try to insulate himself by having so many people involved in his conspiracy that everyone is implicated and so everyone is sort of tied him bound to him and none of them will step away from him you know there's a number who have left US industry including the former White House counsel mcgann's you know. I have about a lot of things. Apparently had the good sense to get the hell out of there Baloney is You know has been making a number of misstatements on the floor of the Senate you know deceptive ridiculous. Let's claims that have been found to be untrue You know so I I. Where does the buck stop you when you when you read the evidence that had been in Pain in the in the house In the house hearings In the House Intelligence Committee. And more what you see. It's how broad the scheme has been by the president to use the money allocated by Congress through Congress and power of the purse to try to advance his own personal political. Look into deploy. Both the government just trusted lieutenants. People like Pompeo People who are in that meeting that John Bolton mentioned and in his sort of Black market type of outside is operatives to advance his agenda. People like Rudy Giuliani. Who who has tried to use this both to advance the president's objective than to line his own pockets? Why we're not seeing on both in testifying? The Senate is because it's a scam sham that McConnell is conducting pursuing the Senate. Why don't we have left? Parnasse there. The Senate testifying this is all because this is the the biggest cover up in American history and yet you have donald trump calling the entire thing a sham and a hoax but furred entirely different reason. Jason He's actually right it is a sham and a hoax because of the way the White House is is blocking any witnesses. Any that's what they're talking talking about witnesses and documents now the reason they're having this debate today and allegedly this vote later today is because the White House has disallowed everything at Lisa. You you worked. You mentioned your deputy assistant attorney. General in the during Clinton's administration. Were you there during his impeachment. I was and it was you. You know really hard to read that star report And see the stories of the evidence that they had obtained you know. I remember at the time thinking. Obviously obviously you can't lie under oath which is which is one of the allegations against President Clinton in that impeachment Lawyers can't do that. Ordinary people can't do that. There are consequences for doing that. and then I remember very distinctly going over to the United States senate and seeing Senator McConnell lies in front of me on the floor of that Senate and in other meetings lie just Without any regard and lie with theatric ability and I remember thinking between him and Lindsey underground who also I would see lie in the Senate and and say things that were just false to see these people who were at the head of impeaching Clinton For quote lying Be Such liars was astonishing to me because when I was a pup in essence a doesn't remember lawyer it. It just didn't occur to me that people would lie in that way or lie so freely so willingly so Easily as I as I saw editor connell lie when I was working in the Senate. Oh my God now. What about Lindsey Graham? Do you have any first-hand experience with Lindsey Graham because I have a piece of tape here that I'm going to play in just just a moment and it's from January eleventh nineteen ninety nine in fact I'll play it right now. And it's Lindsey Graham explaining why you can't can't have a trial without witnesses. I couldn't write this stuff if I tried right here. We go the whole point point that we're trying to make. Is that in every trial the that there's ever been in the Senate regarding impeachment. Witnesses were called so what. I'm saying about witnesses. This is is that if you take them off the table in the Senate the next judiciary committee the next independent counsel ought to do everything because they may lose the chance to present their case. That would be bad for impeachment law. That would be against precedent and. I hope that doesn't happen here. And you can have three days of lawyers talking to each other on both sides sixteen Eckstein hours or questions and basically bore everybody to death. Talk everybody to death but when you have a witness who was there who was engaged in who was in the middle of uh-huh telling you about what they were doing and why is totally different case and it's the difference between getting the truth the whole truth and nothing. But the truth I'm just asking every senator senator to vote your conscience will live with the rules because because it is your show but make sure when it's over there's a meaningful trial and we don't change. The law of of impeachment will cost of the political moments. I think the Republican Party in the nation stand to lose. If this trial doesn't get to the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth the best thing for this this nation is get this over with but not at the sake of doing it in a way that won't make. CBS Not at a sake to cut not say cutting corners not to get it behind us on any terms. Get it behind us. Terms of honor I can live with the verdict. The United States Senate no matter what it is only ask that we get a chance to make persuasive voice of case the president be able to defend himself and at the end of the day is a meaningful trial. So it's just absolutely stunning in the hypocrisy of it. So is that something that the the house managers could play. I know they've played video. Does it have to be evidence. It's been introduced the house hearings. Well you know there are our whole other set of role in the Senate in terms of how senators talked about each other or refer to each other right right That's a separate set of corm rules. But on the merits of the the fact is is that. That's exactly Lindsey Graham speaking the truth and nothing in Matt Audio he's done a you know a one eighty Since then he's betrayed. You know all of the things in essence that he said that he stood for before since John McCain passed away it's like Whatever little good angel whispering in his ear has gone he's become a complete TRUMPSTER and trump defender and attacker Without without any limit in fact the reality is undeniable. You know irrefutable history is of the United States. Senate had two prior impeachment trials against United States President Bill Clinton and enter Johnson and the Senate heard from testimony money from witnesses in both of the prior Trials impeachment trials in people may or may not recall that during the Clinton impeachment trial In the Senate Monica Lewinsky testified. She did Those are those. Aren't the only impeachment senator for the Senate has had other in France There's no impeachment impeachment trial in Senate history. That has had no witnesses until now because this is the biggest cover up ever conducted sort of in plain view. Do but the biggest cover up an American history those senators on their public inside McConnell and his allies who voted against having witnesses or or said to vote against having witnesses should be ashamed of themselves. I hope the American people hold them accountable for long. It takes to make them accountable. You and me both Lisa grades raise. Can't thank you enough for speaking to us after your your your your valve silence for a week now. I'm so glad you're feeling better or are we gonna see you on. MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell itching to have you back on as well. They've been really lucky. But I had no voice for three weeks and until I am only voice right now so I'm not sure but I'm certainly havoc on your show Nicole anytime and other shows as well Probably we'll write about this ultimately but I've been captivated by the spectacle the travesty and be there dark things for republic. I hope that we can regain in our democracy after this suboxone but it's GonNa take every single one of us that everyone we know to really move forward and and and flip this chapter This chapter in our history and consignees people to the way benefits three where they belong very well said we graves. I hope you don't mind. We have no idea what's going to happen at the beginning of the day today. We thought it would all wrap up sometime tonight. Now there's talk they're talking about recessing after tonight and and coming back on Wednesday for the final vote. It's all up in the air we don't know but I hope in the end I can call on you again to for a postscript of what we saw and what we do now any Nicole. Thank you for all. You're doing to get the truth out the people you're the best. Thank you so much Lisa grades take too soon. Take care. bye-bye she really is Lisa. Grace Follow Horn twitter. Aval Lisa Graves if you happen to be a facebook person. She's also very active. On facebook facebook just her brilliance. I just so appreciate her expertise again. Her resume is just remarkable. And I'm so glad she's on our our side all right with that. It's a weekend Monday. The Iowa caucuses Tuesday the state of the Union Wednesday. They vote on impeachment. I don't know check back over the weekend because I'm sure I'll update with special editions of what's news or at least something as it goes along. We'll we'll I'll try to keep you informed. Thanks for listening everyone. Good luck to us all by.

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#440 - Sean Hannity Exposed

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#440 - Sean Hannity Exposed

"Get Access to over sixteen hundred hours of commercial free content by supporting the show at Patriotair Dot com slash. David C smalley. What you're about to hear me upset upset you or make you laugh or both but most importantly it will make you think from Los Angeles California? This this is done with David Smalley yes it is. Dogwood obey welcome to the show so he's going to be a little different than some of my other shows shows in that I am going to be playing a lot of audio for you today because I I i. Every time I watch some sort of Fox News program I am more and more shocked at the alternate reality that they live in and when I when I have these Republicans on the show or Conservative Christians or whatever I'm just in awe of some of their arguments and it's easy sometimes suggest discount people and say well that's a terrible idea or other just wrong wrong. They're just crazy and I'm really don't like doing that. I keep saying something that I think may be misunderstood stood quite often when I say that these folks are victims of bad ideas. This is what I'm talking about this show. Oh is a perfect example of what I mean. So let me set the stage Fox News particularly clearly folks like Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity and the President of the United States have repeatedly referred to any other news news outlet as fake news almost any all the NBC. CBS ABC CNN. It's all fake lose and they pick on CNN. The most. I think because it's the most popular it's in all the airports it's basically Cinemas widely the the most popular new source. And they've made these folks believe I believe that. CNN is fake news. Now guys make no mistake. Fake news is the onion fake news stuff. That's literally created from scratch as satire or parody. Right there is fake news out there her but classifying. CNN is fake news. It's just a tactic to get these folks to not believe what they see on that channel and I know you're going yet Dr David I get this but but but do you get that some people believe that. Do you get that. Some people are victims of the bad ideas that everything on CNN. Dan is false. And so they go to Sean Hannity for the quote Unquote Truth and then are completely misled and this is day in and day out. This is Tucker Carlson. And then Sean Hannity and then Donald Trump and then Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity the and then Donald Trump and then the reading his twitter feed and re tweeting him and anyone who has is against Donald trump is suffering from trump. Derangement wants syndrome. They've literally come up with an illness a mental illness for people who don't like Donald Trump trump derangement syndrome. So they're they're they're dehumanizing humanizing and discrediting everyone else that doesn't agree with them. It's a uh-huh it truly is brainwashing and it is very serious and occasionally I will flip over and watch Sean. Hannity or I'll watch tucker or I I just try to watch Fox News and occasionally I see stuff. That's that surprises me. Even the Laura Ingram will push back on people sometimes pushed back on Republican politicians. And say things that I would never expect her to say and by by the way let me just stop and say. The reason I'm doing this episode is because these folks have repeatedly refused to come on my show and I don't mean I tweeted at. They didn't respond. I mean they write back. Say I will not go on. David's Molly's program Laura Ingram and I shared a podcast network for about a year and a half she I would I was on I. She joined we were on the same network. We were both on podcast one. They reached out to me. And said they want you to Read this Promo for Laura Ingram and I said I'll do you one better. How don't advertise for Laura Ingram? How about she comes on my show and we have a a little fun debate about politics and then she can plug her her podcast? Then Laura herself writes back not interested in being on David Smalley show. Dennis Miller. Same thing happened. Dennis Miller joined podcast one. I reached out to our booking agent. I said I would like to have Dennis Miller on the show. So the actual response was Dennis is only having people on who are his friends. Who agree with him flat out not not interested in debate bill? O'Reilly's publicist reached out and wanted me to do live reads which it just basically commercial. Missile A library to promote his book and I said You know what I respectfully decline Because they wanted to pay to be a part of the show I I turned down the money and I said no but he can come on as a guest for free and mention his book. But I'm going to ask some questions because I disagree with his worldview. His publicist replied back. Bill O'Reilly is not interested in coming on the show. So this has been a an ongoing thing of me. Trying to reach out to these folks have reached out to Sean Hannity directly. No He's like the biggest star on Fox News right now doubt very seriously I would get a response I will. I'll be happy to but if Laura Ingram and Bill o'riley elites won't do it and Dennis Miller won't do it. I doubt is a fat chance that I'll get Sean Hannity but I I would love to. I would love to talk to him on it. Interested candidates away because he's so stark and just snarky and in cutting people off and he's he's so condescending in his tone and there's so much about what he does that I feel like a lot of Republicans a lot of conservative Americans may look at him and just go. Oh stop you. Don't represent me. You know he's so in your face and nasty about these things but if what is coming out of his mouth is true you would think he has a reason to be the do nothing Democrats. Everything's got a name attached to it. He is a marketing machine and he picked up on a lot of donald trump's tips from when he was running for election. Everybody that he doesn't like gets a nasty nickname. Adam shifty schiff. I forgot what Nancy was called No experience variance. Hunter Biden is what he says. A Lot. it's it's it's child's play. It really is. It's so embarrassing. That many people in this country absorb this as media. And let me tell you Sean Hannity. It is constantly projecting and I mean constantly the fake news stuff. He lies so much and and then right after a lie he will say you only get this here folks. You can't get this on on fake news. CNN They lie constantly in he's saying realized constantly. Now listen are there things on CNN and are incorrect sometimes. Sure I think that's. That's all news outlet. That's all their stuff on this show. That's wrong sometimes. We try to go back and correct it if we find it or if someone points it out it's okay. But there's a difference between making taking the occasional mistake and then constantly being a propaganda machine for the president of the United States. I've even heard Sean Hannity Call. CNN state run news propaganda socialist propaganda. I mean it's Bizarro. World I flip over this sometimes I watch it in my mouth drops open and I keep telling myself one day. I'm just GonNa Watch an episode of Sean Hannity with my recording equipment on and see how far I can get into this. So that's kind of what I'm GonNa do today I WanNa make sure that what I'm covering is fair use But there's so much on the shows and I'm GonNa Watch this episode with you. The the most recent episode to just see what they say and occasionally I will google things I will fact check who knows we might learn something. Maybe I'm wrong about all of my views on this I I don't know what to say but when I when I tell you that the the there are people that are that are hardcore. Conservative or hardcore fundamentalist Christian are victims of bad ideas. I want you to know that these folks are good people they are damaged. And don't whatever you're mad at them and you're nasty to them you think you're fighting for righteousness this you think you're right. They're wrong so you're battling evil and I'm telling you you are battling someone who was handcuffed in a dungeon of nonsense and you're fighting them talking down to them please understand. They didn't get this way on purpose. They believed people people that they thought were trustworthy and are following along and maybe have some doubts. Maybe have some disagreements but I'm telling you every single conservative every single person who I've talked to who voted for Donald trump that I start debating with on some level will eventually break down and say yeah I I disagree with how he did that were yeah he makes me cringe when he starts insulting people were. Yeah it makes me really sad but you know. I don't like the way. He made fun of the disabled reporter but I will say really hated. Hillary Clinton like the they are not lock and step with this guy. They are good people who who have been convinced that CNN is fake news that all Democrats are socialist. It's just there even things exit flash up on the screen sometimes subliminal sometimes overtly obvious that is just brainwashing it is a constant brain washing. Asha machine and I could totally see someone in their seventies or eighties sitting there watching because Fox News trusted source and it tells you a trusted source of news fair and balanced fair and balance a trusted source of news and it just keeps really this over and over into their heads and then Sean Hannity POPs up on the screen and goes to the Socialist Socialist Democratic Party or the Democratic Socialist Party are creating a circus again but because they're all trying and it's just it's so slanted and so unfair. I'm just I'm just in awe that this is news and I'm I'm flabbergasted gaspard is the only word I know to use in this context it is it is flabbergasting to just see this man. Look right into the camera and say that CNN. It should not be considered a news outlet because they're fake news and that he should be the trusted source because he's fair and balanced it is it's nauseating to see the hypocrisy and let me say one more time. I'm not an advocate of CNN. It tends to be the news I watch watch but you know what I also check it. I will go onto On My iphone. I Have Apple News where I sort of sort and double check things. I will watch Fox News to see what they're saying about about certain things and I'll tell you they don't really sometimes they don't change the facts as much as they change the interpretation of the facts like they will brush things under the rug and say it's not that serious. It's not a big deal but they will quickly mention what happened open and then go away. I'm glad this happened. And this is the the do nothing Democrats again. Were those marketing names. We attack something to it It's it's coming from all angles guys. That's what I'm trying to explain here. It's the the graphics flashing up on. The screen is the little cute nicknames that are that are destructive to the ones reputation. It's quick videos. Taken out of context clips played. I've not watched a single episode of Sean Hannity where he talks about the impeachment that he doesn't spend a substantial amount of time talking about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden He. Oh he calls Joe. Quid pro quo Joe. Oh yeah this is what I'm talking about. It is a constant brainwash machine. So I'm going to watch an episode with you right now and use as much of his episode as I can stop in and talk about that I can legally and and we'll see so let's get started. Here's David Smalley Watching Sean. Hannity Hi welcome to Hannity. Tonight marks the end of yet a major week of accomplishments for the president and the trump administration to oh historic new trade deals a record setting economy major progress on the border wall. Okay right there on the border wall. Okay so I got against a few seconds in yes. CNN talked about the trade deal yes CNN talked about the border wall. But they didn't say yet. Get a record setting week of accomplishments for the president. Do you see what I'm saying the spin that is coming out of the show already is how the press and it's showing video of Donald Trump shaking hands with I don't know who it is from from China because they both just signed the agreement and it's it's this yeah the the trade deal with China has some good aspects to it there are some bad aspects to it. In what would Fox News will. I'm not doing I'm willing to bet right now. What they will not do is talk about the negatives of the trade deal? CNN when they covered this they had a person who was On trump's side and a person who was against the trade deal for reasons that it puts a longer contract on some really bad things that are in that deal in order to make a little bit of progress and the people who are against. It say it's not worth the the little bit of progress. Progress is not worth the horrific things that are in the deal and they went back and forth. They showed sort of both sides in in one. talked up this being an accomplishment for the president and I get that maybe it is on the other side they had someone saying. I don't like this deal. It is progress. But it's not what it should be. There should be so much more He's not not as he's not the negotiator. You think he is but Fox News isn't going to cover that part. They're not going to tell you the problems with the bill do. Do you see what I'm saying. This is a an instant example of what I'm talking about. But they are fair and balanced safety security and prosperity for all Americans Gins. Nobody can dispute any of this. None of it matters to today's radicalized Democratic Socialist Party. Okay right there. He makes a statement that I clearly just refuted and then says nobody can dispute this who it what do you mean. Nobody can dispute the if you watch CNN. You'll see the person was in favor of it and a person disputed muted and then turns immediately says none of it matters this perfect thing that I just gave you. None of it matters to the radicalized again. Radicalize is what we've that word we've connected with terrorism right radical Islamic terrorism radicalized democratic socialist. Party what what the reason Bernie guts so much pushback. Twenty sixteen is because not Enough Democrats. Ads were on board with some of the socialist ideas. How are you calling the entire Party? Radicalized Democratic Socialist. I'm sorry this is GonNa be you five hour episode if I don't play this today. The president summed it up perfectly Dorian event with College Football National Championship. Lsu Take a look all right so we're gonNA hear Donald trump some up perfectly how things don't matter to the Democrats. Let's hear the perfect summary from Donald Trump. So the coach. We don't normally do this but I'm doing it for this team. Anybody would like to come with me. To the Oval Office will take pictures in the oval. It's a special place. We'll take pictures behind the resolute desk. It's been there a long time. A lot of presidents. Some good some not so good you got a good one now. Even though they're trying to impeach the son of a bitch can you believe Democrats throw the Provo. Awo that's it. That's the perfect summary. They're trying to impeach the son of a bitch. Look I get Donald. Trump was being a little light hearted about this. I do that kind of stuff all the time. I make jokes at public places where I'm giving speeches. Whatever I I get it but that this was set up as the perfect summary of the radicalized left? You see what I'm talking about. He tells you you're going to see something that's a perfect summary and then shows you donald trump saying they're trying to impeach the son of a bitch it's brainwashing nothing that Donald Trump said was a summary. The of anything. I'm literally a minute into the show. And there's already so much wrong with the brainwashing. That happens with Sean Hannity and right now. There is a graphic on the screen. It's got a picture of a donkey. It shows the Democratic logo and it says from hope and change to hate and rage wjr and hate and rage. Everything's in all caps hate and rage has a red line behind it. The the the people the marketing people at Fox News Aren't stupid. They know where your eye goes in. The bottom of the donkey is also read so showing hate and rage associated with the Democratic Party. This is this is propaganda if I've ever seen it but it will be vindicated at the end of the Senate's trial. They don't care. They are more interested in finding an outlet for their psychotic anti-trump rage try and bloody the president so it hurts them running in twenty twenty on Wednesday. Nancy Pelosi all smiles there. She is literally signing off on her. BS partisan impeachment articles handing out commemorative gold pens with their autograph on them and taking pictures. Anybody wanted him all right so so right there we already have him saying that. It psychotic right psychotic Mike Khattak and then making fun showing a picture of her smiling and then making fun of her for signing this with multiple pens and and then handing out with what he calls commemorative pins. But here's what Fox News won't tell you using. Multiple pins into sign. A historic document is a long-standing tradition in the United States presidents have done at Donald Trump made a joke Kuantan about almost running out of because he signed legislation on Inauguration Day A lot of presidents use. It's multiple pins for historical reasons and for keepsake anytime. They signed something massive. Or there's something major going on and and NIPPLES office did release a statement saying that while this impeachment is tragic. It is indisputably historic when the constitution and its balance of power reasserts itself. And here's something else that that Sean Hannity won't say that in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Republican publican senators kept pens souvenirs after signing the oaths for their impeachment of Bill Clinton. Why does this have to be a big deal in the conservative media? Nancy Pelosi's catching all this flag for celebrating and taking pictures and signing multiple pens. Go Watch the impeachment. Proceedings of Bill Clinton in you will see Republicans doing exactly what they're pissed off about today but sean is balanced. It was her crowning achievement. Basically it's house speaker very same day. Democrats crutch try to derail the Senate impeachment trial with a last-minute smear campaign disguises important. New evidence right okay. I don't know where he's going with this but And I'm telling you a lot of times when I'm watching this I to sit on my living room and I pause the TV and I'm like he he can't be serious in Google stuff like I look things up as I'm watching him and I can't tell you how many times I google. What he's saying is half true but he's not telling you the last part of it? That would cancel out his attitude and then I hit play an almost every time. He you make some sort of comment about the news. Media is not trustworthy. And it's fake news this guy is filled with projection guilt. He's constantly saying things feeling that guilt like he's about to be Exposed and then it's talked points the finger to somebody else that's guilty of what he's doing. I mean it's driving me crazy. I'm just doing this for you to understand understand and break down the things that you're conservative family members who you love deeply in dearly. The this is what they're watching but without me in their ear so send this episode to them so they can see what I'm talking about. I spent a lot of time with my mom over the holidays. Going going through memes that were shared by conservative family members some of which she liked or shared and I would go mom. This is a this is a hoax and slopes and I would show her the real thing and she'd be like Oh that makes sense and what you see what I mean about propaganda. The about sharing a look. The extreme left does it too. I'm this is not about. This is not an episode saying that conservatives of the only one on who misrepresent the truth. I've gotten plenty of trouble with my own folks on the left for calling out there. B. S. for calling out there they're blind faith and religion in in how they've operated. Sometimes this episode is about Sean Hannity About Fox News about how. He's constantly calling other people fake news while putting out this garbage is insane and I want you to more than anything. Understand the whole underlying thing of this This episode is the people that you love are watching this stuff without explanation. They don't understand understand that they're being brainwashed. The exact same tactic they use member against Brad. Kavanagh hold on. I'm going to back this up a little bit. Because because he's he he loves to Like set up what you're about to see before he shows it. And then so that you're automatically medically skewed and how you think about it But he doesn't I do that sometimes. Yeah I go. Hey let me set this up. Here's what's going on. Here's how Sean Sean Hannity's behaved but I'm telling you to watch this for yourself. I'm telling you to go google these things for yourself. Go to snoop's goto politic fact go to fact check check dot. Org Go look these things up the signing with the multiple pens in all of this stuff your family members will throw this stuff stuff on you and there's a good chance you're not prepared to defend it because you don't watch Fox News. You don't know what Ammo they're being given. And by by the time you get home and Google it or pull out your phone. Conversations moved somewhere else. And you're going damn it now. I see that they did the bill. Clinton thing I come. Sean didn't say that it's because he's a propaganda machine. I'm going to back up a few seconds and see he just called something else. A smear smear campaign did the same thing then. Impeachment trial with a last-minute smear campaign is important new evidence the exact same tactic they use member against Brad. Kavanagh did the same thing by the way. The new evidence said that Joe and hunter were innocent and that the prosecutor that was investigating zero experience orients hunter was corrupt. Oh that's oh great. Glad they determined all of that right before the very eyes. Okay so already. He's so there's a picture of Left Corner on the screen as he's talking as he's talking about a a new smear campaign disguised as evidence keep in mind. This is the guy who has said on his own. He was working directly with Giuliani. There are documents supporting that. He's turned over a thousand documents to The Senate it by the way for this trial. He is turnover phone documents. Phone records text messages proving the things that thirty saying he showing that that the former ambassador to Ukraine was being tracked everybody even Democrats thought she was crazy for saying that during the trial and now there's evidence supporting it. He is bringing forth a lot of good stuff a lot of good sad but good information that finally confirms when other people were saying and there is a picture of parnassus on on the screen and it says Savior of the left under his name and I mean in all caps savior is under is is above a yellow background and of the left is in blue. This is another marketing thing for you to associate him with Democrats because he's under investigation so we see his face. We think criminal savior of the left. This is who the Democrats now worship again and by the way clouds roads behind live harness with sunrays coming out. Imagine what this sound would look like. Aw that thing right. A cloud SUNBEAM's. Aw Jesus Heaven the savior. That's what's behind left left policies head with with savior of the left under him. This Sean Hannity is a tabloid He's a tabloid brainwashing shing propaganda machine and it is infuriating. that he has the nerve to call himself fair and balanced and other news outlets fake. This evidence that left parties has put forth is extremely important should absolutely be considered. He should be testifying. He is willing to testify. Fight along with John Bolton by the way who wants to testify but Sean Hannity is looking into that camera telling millions of people people did. This is all a derailment. This is all a scam. Damn that live part is the new savior of the left and that night the left anointed a brand new savior. This this is Michael Avenue. Two Point Oh a man out on bail charged with felony campaign finance fraud and hiding get this. Oh ooh I'm. I'm surprised you said that. Sean Yes he is charged with felony campaign finance fraud. Does anybody take a guess at what was happening there. Anybody I can hear you go ahead shouted out. I'll just say it at once. Go ahead I can hear you. You know exactly what it was doing. He was he was first of all one charge. He's got a few do. One of the charges is that they used a shell company so he a fake organization to make a three hundred and twenty five thousand dollar donation to a super PAC to affect American politics. What was the name of the SUPERPAC? Well it was called America Erica. First Action Do a little research on America first action. It's not that hard. Just go to their website and you will see he The main picture across the main page is donald trump with Mike pence. Go look at their leadership ship. Page go to their website. A ONE APEC DOT Org. It's a one. Apa C DOT Org. America first I action the main page is Donald Trump Mike pence go to their Leadership Page see. WHO's on they're bored? Oh Look Sean Spicer. He was trying to finance a super PAC that is helping funds Donald Trump. But but you you just get to say this guy is yeah. He's one of your bad guys that his flipped on you. Because you had him duped opt in. Now he's saying I really thought trump was the saviour and now I see what he's really doing. What is Julie's what he's really doing and I care about the constitution? So I'm willing to admit what I did was wrong in come forward for the truth and the betterment of the country and now you're going. This guy is accused of campaign finance fraud. Get to help. Help Your Party Sean. He was a corrupt Republican. You don't even know how he met. DONALD TRUMP I left part is even got in he. He was a massive donor to donald trump. And then he's got to meet him over and over and then started playing golf and then started hanging out with Rudy Giuliani inserted saying he had ties and Ukraine and Russia and can help out so they recruited him is all started with campaign finance. Sean Hannity's ability. He's not gonNA stop and his propaganda filled rant to tell you that that's too much fakty by the way. Let let partisan associates are also accused of raising money for my former representative presentative in Texas Pete sessions who lost his reelection bid and twenty eighteen as part of a scheme to have the US ambassador to Ukraine removed from office office. That's what this that's that's on. NPR DOT ORG by the way So yeah when when you say that love partners is under investigation for campaign finance fraud. Why don't you dive a little deeper into that Sean? Why don't you explain what Superpac he was trying to donate to? Why don't you talk about who that SUPERPAC supports? It's he's one of your bad guys. Tell the truth just wants and two minutes and twenty seconds into this episode and I am filled bill to the brim with bullshit and misrepresentation in propaganda continue. She can't make it up a million in dollar payment yet. You can't make it up. Seeing talking right after he he says something horrifically misleading. He throws in a little can't make it up and you'll hear I guarantee you. He's going to say something ridiculous and and then come back and talk about how. CNN's not trustworthy. What how CNN or Fox News should be a trusted source? It's it's disgusting. You from the country of Russia said Avenue two point. Oh two hundred and fifty four appearances Ravanelli. One year. There's it was like their love affair with the currently imprisoned attorney Democrats and the mob willing to overlook massive credibility issues. Run with it because that guy. Yes who's been charged with serious crimes. Lead partners feeds into their anti-trump hysteria saying hysteria. Did you hear. Yeah that he feeds into their anti-trump hysteria. Now what if what if. Donald trump is running running this country like a crime. Org and left harness was one of his henchmen inch men got busted and his flipping. He's turning over on the on the on the mob boss. What if what if that's the case? And what if those thousand documents were so prove that shouldn't we look at them. Shouldn't the Senate here from him. Shouldn't he be called as a witness. What's the argument for? Not having him called as a witness people who are lying to you then are lying to you now say right now yeah hold on so again he is and then says the people who are lying to you then are lying to you now. Well he's he's kind of a right because he is talking now. He's popping up a window showing CNN with the reliable sources host. Oh God what is his name. I love this guy. Can't think of his name right now. And it shows ever noddy and a conversation going on between the two of them but it's just a pitcher he just wants to connect avenue with CNN cast of characters. Now we'll break this down in detail coming up and of course we just scratched the surface of this week's jam packed new cycle and yet somehow fake news. CNN An end they found time to spend an entire day whining about Republican. Senator Martha mcsally. How dare she call one of their reporters a liberal hack? When they are liberal hacks one idiot called it? A chilling attack mobbing the media. They're so sensitive. Democratic allies truly live in this alternative reality -ality literally what I use to describe these show when I started this he projects so hard. Oh this is gross. But buckle up because well if they get their way well in the coming days will only get worse in the days and weeks ahead they want to drag this country through the mud now. The president has a chance to fight back. Finally he is now. Oh finally on September thirtieth house. Democrats literally subpoenaed Donald. Trump's attorney. Rudy Giuliani his attorney. Attorney was asked to come to the impeachment hearings and he ignored the subpoena. He even said let let them hold me in contempt will go to court will challenge the contempt. They wanted to drag this out in legal battles for as long as they possibly could Rudy Giuliani. His attorney was subpoenaed. How can you say the Donald Trump did did not have the ability to defend himself now assembled the legal team to represent to present his case in the Senate cluding White House counsel owned by the way while he was saying that part? The is another logo on the screen that showed the democratic The donkey logo and it said garbage politics under it again more subliminal but even early subliminal but he never mentioned that he never says anything about it. It's just a graphic. The Jews says garbage politics for for the people who know and love to stare at as he's talking to back this up just a little bit baloney the president has a chance to fight back. Finally he is now assembled the legal team to represent his case in the Senate including White House Counsel Pats Baloney with the president's personal attorney. Ernie that'd be jaysekulow former independent counsel Ken Starr who conducted the investigation at let his new personal attorney. You mean. Why isn't he wasn't he still have rudy? Giuliani as personal attorney. Sean is there a reason rudy. No longer holds that that post book. You don't want to say to the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton star is joined by former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi and and two other experience lawyers. We know about Robert Ray and Jane Raskin Harvard Law Professor Alan. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. We know about his legal team. The if you follow me on twitter You may have seen what I posted. Trump's legal team now consists of someone. He wants called a lunatic. Anna disaster That's Ken Starr by the way And Attorneys who defended Jeffrey Epstein and Oj Simpson and who has ties to Harvey Weinstein. And by the way that guy who used to who has ties to Harvey Weinstein is currently being sued. Harvey Weinstein's victims victims. But here's Sean Hannity is just talking up this team now. Some people when I put I put that on twitter. They said David who somebody has defended has nothing to do with this. Even the guilty est of people even the nastiest of monsters. This has the right to legal defense and you are correct. But there's also a thing called precedent in law kind means things that have happened before will probably happen again. So what kind of precedent is trump setting with this batman villain legal team. But just imagine have you been sexually assaulting women have you. Have you murdered someone goal us. It's it's it's disturbing and I I hope It has similar results because at least one of them Harvey Weinstein is GonNa get it for sure OJ got off and then and then got arrested anyway. But these guys are are are have set the precedent for representing some of the worst human beings in our society. So as far as that goes. Yeah I'd say good fit. Dershowitz will also play a vital role leading the constitutional arguments against impeachment. The president's it's legal team will easily destroy the Democrats to bogus articles of impeachment because this entire impeachment charade is nothing but a political smear campaign aim democrat. Alright again he's calling it an a smear campaign and the graphic to the right of the screen says endless witch-hunt okay. It shows the White House in it and it's got a bolt of lightning coming down striking the White House with dark clouds and rain rain all around it endless witch hunt in all caps these are these subliminal things that are popping up for just a few seconds Atkins as Sean Hannity is saying the things he saying they are making. They're trying to scare people. They're trying to make. It seem like their government is under attacked under attack of by the by the by the socialist radicalized Socialists. It's all fear based well. They're going to try and drag the trial on for as long as humanly possible. They want a slow walk this she gam- shift show and build all the. What the hell was that Sean? Hannity have a stroke. I think he I think he almost said they WANNA slow. Walk this Shit Shit. And he's also reading from a teleprompter so maybe he had a little tongue twister there. I don't know but once again he saying that they want want to drag it out really not a single person in Donald. Trump's cabinet who was subpoenaed showed up for the subpoena Rudy. Giuliani himself said. Let them take it to court will fight. The Will fight the subpoena if they hold me in contempt will fight the contempt but the Democrats are the ones that want to drag it out fair and balanced intensity and insanity. So they'll have a major did your Chris Crescendo of conspiratorial drama. So they're going to try to enter into evidence new things they're going to try and demand that new witnesses testified they're gonNA try and demand at new investigations based on new evidence magically turns up at the last second be introduced from the guy that is indicted. He died for what anyway so right now as he's talking there's a new graphic up and it shows Chuck Schumer with the Capitol building took his side and all caps under him in big letters. Says Dem's want a do over so now now the narrative becomes her. The Democrats didn't do a good job of impeaching Donald Trump. I guarantee you. That's where he's going with this and again skin. It almost sounds like it almost sounds like hey they did a shitty job. We should do a Shitty job to you. Hey new evidence came out after. The articles were introduced so we should ignore them because the Democrats didn't give that to us at a time. Is this really about the facts. Is this really about the truth. Don't you care if this guy really did this this or not. Do you even care. That's my question to conservatives right now do you care or do so you just WanNa win I gotta Say I don't think Donald Trump has much of a chance of winning the twenty twenty election and I actually think it would be better for Republicans. If trump was out pence was out and you guys got somebody in there. That was a a little more common sense. Someone like Casick or Romney. People still vehemently disagree with breath but are somewhat sane about how they disagree. Republicans were libertarian. Candidates that have run against trump trump in the past. Well I think you'd have a much better. Shot then running this up to the wire and even if he doesn't get removed from office you're you're you're taking shoes chance here that you're GonNa put all of your eggs in the basket of whatever cult following Sean. Hannity has believing this nonsense with fact checking it. That's WHO's GonNa vote for trump but the majority of people who are conservative or looking at trump. Go and DAD's. That's not my guy anymore. I'm hearing more and more of them every day. I'm talking to more and more of them every day. Any know who they've said they liked Bernie. Almost exclusively one liked Gabby the rest of like Bernie. Because they're still anti-establishment they still want to drain the swamp they still don't like money in politics from big corporations they still WanNa work. And Bernie's done a lot with the unions and the and the workers and the veterans veterans. He's been on veterans committees and things like that for years. I think I think Bernie could get a lot of Donald. Trump's voters to switch over. I think I think Republicans think it'd be better off with someone like John Casick a really do I think he would. He would be a rock star for you guys. You're putting all your eggs in this craziest basket. And then you got Sean Hannity here. The propaganda machine even being more cringe-worthy are you. Are you think you're proving people wrong. You know what you're convincing people who already wanted to be convinced but the people who know better the people who were smart the people who are carrying the people who were thoughtful Sean. You're alienating the hell out of these people the more ridiculous you get the more extreme you sound. You're going to do anything everything to derail the president's forthcoming acquittal. But their Achilles heel is none other than this guy the real quid pro Kobe. Quid pro quo Joe. His son Zero Experience Hunter Biden. Who made millions and millions of middle? CCC Right here we are believe it or not. I'm only five minutes into this episode into Sean Hannity's episode. This is supposed to be about impeachment. Now listen regardless if there was corruption regardless of Hunter Biden was guilty guilty regardless of Joe Biden doing some shady shit to get Hunter Biden his position in Ukraine. Even if all that happened this trial is not about that at and every time I talked to a trump supporter and I go. Hey Do you think we should have witnesses. They go. Yeah we should call Hunter Biden. Yeah I wanna I wanna hear Joe Biden and talk about how he did a quid. Pro Quo P- You know that is a completely different situation. Now some of you were going. No no no no. It's the same. It's the whole corruption thing that Donald trump want investigated. Here's why doesn't matter if Donald Donald Trump wanted an investigation he could have gone to his Justice Department and said please work with Ukraine on an investigation. Because I wanNA find out of there was corruption. You don't tell the president of that country a I need a favor. I know I know you need some money and I realized it was approved months ago but a anita favor. That's a Mafia shakedown. You don't do it that way. You don't ask a president of another country to investigate your political rival even if he's guilty it's about the way. Donald Trump went about this. That's why the trial is about and by the way there was already an investigation investigation and by the way they didn't find any corruption. If you want to open another one with new evidence fine do it. Maybe maybe Joe Biden's guilty. Maybe Hunter Biden is guilty. Maybe there was corruption going on. I don't know I'm not on their side there multimillionaires they're not my people but that investigation has nothing to do do with how Donald trump a pressured the president of another country to investigate his political rival and and be his obstruction of Congress by refusing to let any of his cabinet members respond to the subpoena. He blocked the investigation. He blocked documents. He wouldn't let He wouldn't turn over the papers. He was asked for by the house. Democrats so now here. You are saying that they failed. They didn't do their job. He blocked them every chance he could. Now you're calling them failures. Obstruction of Congress is a very real thing but here we are five minutes into an episode about impeachment. And there's a picture of Joe Biden smiling pulling in a suit with a Hashtag by the way it's not just a nickname with the HASHTAG. Quid pro quo Joe Breath. These are the distraction techniques that Sean uses and again trying to trying to change change the even trending on twitter. He won't you to use the HASHTAG and again. He's not telling you to do it it's subliminal subliminal it's up there. There's a Hashtag in front of it. There are no spaces Hashtag quid-pro-quo Joe. Now he's got a name dislike. Sleepy was Ben Carlson Been Carl Carlson say right Carson Sleepy Ben Carson Lying Ted Cruz Pocahontas right. Donald Trump's got all of these nicknames people. He doesn't like you're from a corrupt Ukrainian oil and gas company all while his father was spearheading. The Obama Administration's policy policy on Ukraine Vice President Biden even leverage two billion of your tax dollars in order to get a Ukrainian prosecutor fired son of a B.. He did why did he want the prosecutor prosecutor fired. He was investigating zero experienced son. What company would ever pay somebody millions if they have zero experience none okay? This one requires a little explanation. A little digging a little research. I've done it for you. I mean please feel free to go do it and check my sources. I'll I'll tell you where I get the information this. Okay I get it. It does. Sound a low fishy that he was being paid fifty thousand thousand dollars or whatever a month to a ridiculous amount of money to set on a board of directors. It happens a lot. I don't know what the benefit was. Okay I'm open to an investigation but apparently it already happened. And Sean Hannity just lied to the faces faces of millions of people. I want to take it back just a little bit and I want to play the live for you. Any of you ever get dead. Why did he want the prosecutor fired? He was investigating zero experienced son. What company would ever pay some absolutely false? That prosecutor was not investigating Burris Ma. The company that Hunter Biden worked for it was on the Board of during the holding of the funds or or the firing of the prosecutor. He was not investigating Joe Biden and Sun but the conservative media will. Have you believe this all day. I have a post up here from USA Today now. The Republicans listening maybe rolling your eyes on the back of your head. Okay like you have credible sources send them by way you know how to contact me through my website. USA Today I'm talking about the impeachment inquiry. Talking about the whistle blowers complaint said that he was fired because They're saying that the conservative sources are claiming that he was fired because Joe Biden held out a billion dollars because he they were investigating his son. Here's the report says. It wasn't because Shokhin is the guy's name by the way it wasn't because Shokhin was investigating and natural gas company tied to Biden Son. It was because Shokhin oaken was not pursuing corruption among the country's politicians and this is according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who we specialized in Ukraine without pressure from Joe Biden. I'm reading directly from the USA. Today article though without without pressure from Joe Biden European diplomats the International Monetary Fund and other international organisations. Shokhin would not have been fired so again. This isn't just Joe Joe Biden. Who wanted him fired? This is Joe Biden in this. European diplomats is the International Monetary Fund and several other international organizations. They said he would not have been fired. And this was coming from dairy colonic who was a CO founder? Executive Director of the anti-corruption act center in Kiev Quote Civil Society Organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to be fired or this one calling on him to go now trump and his attorney at the time Rudy. Giuliani said. That Biden did this to stop. Shokhin from investigating Ukraine's largest we're just gas company Barista but but but several diplomatic officials who are actually following issue. Time say that is a flat out. Lie why the company is called Barista Holdings and it was not under investigation or scrutiny. At the time Joe Biden called for his ouster according according to the national anti-corruption Bureau of Ukraine an Independent Agency set up in twenty fourteen that has worked closely with the FBI. Shokhin's office did investigate Barista but that probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden had had ever joined the company. This is a once again and pieces of truth put together in a backwards Fox News Way to make it seem like this is all just a witch hunt. So I've been wanting to get this off my chest for a while so somebody's millions if they have zero experience none any of you ever get that deal out. That is the very real corruption. Oh this is cute now. He's calling that real corruption when I just explained that's not the case and also noticed what is how do we connected with the viewer there. If you ever get that deal. He's trying to make it seem like he's fighting for you. What a hero Sean? Hannity's on the battleground representing you. Do you ever get a deal like that. You don't have any experience. You don't know what his position was on the board. You have no clue. Just because he doesn't have gas experience doesn't mean he doesn't belong on the Board of the gas company he could have been advising on any anything he was a specialist in. You have no clue. You don't know what's going on. You don't know what he added why he added value. There's no clue. And when there was an investigation it was closed and the investigation was focused on before he was part of the company. And and the reason Joe Biden press that guy to be fired the prosecutor is because he was not looking into corruption. I'm telling you it is Bizarro. World on Sean Hannity. It is everything backwards and upside down. Remember were Bill O'Reilly used to have the no spin zone. This is the spins on everything is being spun in a ridiculous way and your family members and co workers and loved ones are watching this and not understanding how frequently they're being lied to I five minutes and forty one seconds into Sean on an episode and this episode. My show is probably already over with a small short is supposed to be very core. This impeachment charade Democrats you wanNA drop charade again. He's not saying impeachment trial impeachment charade. He throws in these little words every chance he gets to try to make it just to try to discredit everything. That's going on this out. Go down. This road now comes a very dangerous game right now. He showing a picture of Hunter Biden. Joe Biden it says though real in blue and yellow our Ukraine scandal the real Ukraine scandal. And it's got pictures of Joe in hunter it even looks like it's on the cover of a tabloid. I can't believe people buy into this and the Senate is now officially the new shift sham show by the way just like the Russia collusion hoax and the Cavanaugh smear and every other con job from the radical go left the trump painting left. We know how the story will end complete vindication joining us now with more people who will play a very important role in the upcoming coming trial including the okay so yeah now. They're promoting his book The case against removing trump by Alan Dershowitz. WHO's Alan Dershowitz? You may ask now. He's on trump's legal team. A report came out the other day but it was on fake news. CNN That said Ah that trump specifically said behind closed doors but he wanted attorneys who were good on TV and this goes back to left. Left parties accusation. That trump was only focused on an announcement of an investigation into Joe Biden. He didn't really care about an an in investigation. He wanted the announcement to happen. He wanted CNN to come up and say Joe Biden currently being investigated by Ukraine. That's what and trump wanted. He wanted that announcement to come out of Anderson Cooper's mouth out of Wolf Blitzer mouth. That's what he wanted at. Jake Tapper Jake Tapper to say Joe Oh Biden under investigation. That's what he wanted because it's all about TV for trump. It's all about looking good to the people he wants to just spin it. He can't control the news media like he like like like Kim Jong Hoon. Ken and I get into you. He is jealous as a hell but he doesn't have the control that he does which are blocked. CNN Out of press out of Press briefings he's kicked other organizations out out he doesn't want them to hear his his press. Since Sarah Huckabee Sanders has hasn't even been a briefing. He just tweets. This is insane but yeah this new attorney that's been added to his team. They have his book up on the screen. The case against removing moving trump a case against removing trump Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz. Former former Florida attorney. General Pam Bondi good to see both PAM body. Let's start with you. Let's get a preview. If we can of what you see how this all goes down when it begins gins on Tuesday. Well Sean. And it's an honor to work with all of these great people and I can tell you pat civile Loney J. Secolo. They were ready need to go a month ago so she is the former Florida attorney general and she's now on trump's legal team ready to go last week they're ready to go Today and next week we're ready to get this behind us because as you said the president has done absolutely nothing wrong if they had articles of impeachment that alleged crimes they should have been presented in the house. If the president was a clear and present danger really that should have been sent over prior way prior to Christmas snatched from well. Well well hold on and again. I can't watch this damn program for more than a few seconds without finding a problem. They're logic when I had Jeremiah. Yeah on the show and he had just told me that Nancy. Pelosi was withholding the articles of impeachment and had not taken over to the Senate. I've made it on the shelves like I don't know why she would do that. That that doesn't sound right. I'll look into that. Guess what I did. She was trying to negotiate with Mitch. McConnell because Mitch McConnell who just by the way took an oath swearing swearing to be an impartial juror had just said he was not going to be impartial in his coordinating with the White House. On how the White House wanted him to move forward. You understand. This is like the jury and the foreman and of the jury coordinating with the defendant. How do you want us to vote? wrote how how do you want us to. What evidence do you want us to pay attention to it? It's disgusting in some respects. Maybe more like coordinating with the judge. I heard a few yelling at me. Just now I get it because because Mitch McConnell has a lot of power over how this this trial happens. The Senate Republicans are in charge and this is why title Dan. Midterm elections are so important. You know sometimes when I'm watching CNN. I get I don lemon. Just almost giving up he. Just he just stares down at his desk sometimes and it shakes his head and just goes over it he just and I get it I I watch it don I feel your pain. It's a it's exhausting and again it's just just like this reminds reminds me of obamacare because I don't like obamacare. I'm sure I'll get some nasty emails. I know it helped. My Dad had live a little longer. It helps some folks who are elderly. It had some good stuff in it. it screwed me my prices skyrocketed. I hate it But a lot of that has to do with Republicans pushing back on Obama taking things out renegotiating pushing it again taking things out renegotiating to the point that it wasn't what Obama originally proposed it was a super compromised skeleton version of what it was supposed to be and now Republicans can point to it and go look how shitty this is. And that's got Obama's name on it. Let's repeal Lynn replays. They're kind of doing the same thing with impeachment. They ignored the subpoenas for documents. They they drag their feet on responding. Many of them didn't even responded all. They did everything they could to obstruct Congress from from conducting an actual investigation and now Pam Bondi trump. Trump's attorneys is on going. They didn't do a good job they didn't present isn't the evidence they didn't get the witnesses. This you must think all of America is stupid and maybe a lot of us are. Maybe people just don't understand what's happening and that's why shows like this. I think are important to break down the miscommunication. The spin machine that Sean Hannity so now how rightfully so they can say hey. They didn't present that. Hey she if he was so dangerous why did they wait. There's an answer to your question you're asking is though. It's rhetorical but the reason they waited is because Mitch McConnell Connor was saying no witnesses were just going to bring him in here to quit him and every policy was going. No you need to make this fair. You can't say you're not impartial. You're violating the constitution. Get Your Shit together. MSCI POO and. I'm Kinda glad she did way because now we have the new evidence from last parts in another thousand documents and text messages in handwritten notes and all kinds of evidence. But you want you want to ignore it. Pam Bondi Pelosi's comments yet. They held it because they have nothing and they still have nothing. So what we're going to hear. Sean is a fair trial and we're very excited to put this behind the president president. Get this behind. Him assumes possible because he did nothing wrong they've sent over the flimsiest of flimsy evidence if you can even call it that and and so I think this is going to go very quick and I think it's going to be put behind the president because you said while he's signing the China deal one of the greatest deals In Our in our lifetime with China what's she doing signing the impeachment articles and giving out ceremonial pins. That's shameful. That's nothing trying to impeach. The president should not be a day of joy and celebration it should be somber and and frankly it's shameful for all of them. God God hopefully. You didn't fast forward to the part where I talked about the pens as if you did backup to show quit skipping ahead. Got You know you're being lied to right right. This is absolutely partisan BS and she's he's now how shit look. This is what I noticed in my conversation with Jeremiah as well a lot of deflection. This happened with Robert Price. Let him on the show I would say how do you feel about Donald Trump XYZ. He did this. He said this he broke this rule. He has this investigation. Is this thing what had Robert Price do consistently well Hitler Well Hitler and the Socialists. Let's just point the finger at other stuff. That's bad that's going on. We don't like never true defense. Let's Jeremiah offered a few defenses. He offered a few things that the ideal agree with but sounded somewhat like a defense but a lot of Jeremiah said was look this other bad thing that happened. Yup Donald Trump is terrible. But maybe supposed to be. I mean look at this other bad thing and look at this. Look at the Democrats doing this thing never really dealing dealing with the actual issue which is the same thing that the Republicans are doing with Hunter Biden. Ryuhei can we get more witnesses. Can we talk parties. Like the John Bolton who by the way was a major factor in all this look at Nancy Pelosi signing with multiple pens. Do you think we're five year olds. You can just show us something shiny in your other hand and do a little misdirection and then we'll miss you throwing the paper paper over your shoulder and then we'll think your magic. I know that's your thumb. Not My nose. I'm not a child this the way. The graphics are the way they're talking it. Looks like they have designed this for children for people who think very simply and don't want to dive in don't don't WanNa rethink things. There is no debate. There is no other side of the argument. See say what you will about CNN. They quite often bring on Conservatives and Republicans who disagree with panel members and you at least two sides of an argument this is. This is absurd professor. Show today going to deal with the constitutionality of this constitution's Constitution's clear about the specific role that it solely in the house's power their realm to impeach. They've done that now. They have house manager's chosen they will present their case trials to be held in the Senate we have the presiding judge will be the Supreme Court chief justice. John Roberts question is why do some some Republicans want to somehow do the houses job. If they didn't do a good job which we know they didn't do a good job in this case you never mind. I already said it. Well my job next week will be to present. The constitutional case against impeachment indicates that I've been presenting on your show in two books and twenty five articles. I will not deal with the nitty gritty of the facts. And Yeah we don't want to get to fakty. Ah He doesn't want to deal in the nitty gritty of the facts. He just wants to talk about how this is not constitutional. Ah How do you say that this is not constitutional unless you review the facts. Does this count as high crimes and misdemeanors absolutely not have you looked at the facts. No next question question. Well you're arguing constitutionally that this is not high crimes and misdemeanors or bribery. That is correct. It's not an unconstitutional specialist. Slowest written two books and twenty five articles about it. And I've been on Sean Hannity a lot awesome so this is not impeachable. nope not impeachable. Do you know what he did. Note uh-huh why Adult WanNa mess with backs. Aw whether there should be witnesses or not. But just from a personal point of view. The constitution approach which was suggested suggested in prior preachments impeachments was always to have the facts presented to the House of Representatives. Cross examination of you then get get a report and the report is what put on trial. The one thing that's critically clear is that if the Democrats are allowed to call witnesses president trump's lawyers will oh have to be allowed to call witnesses and they're going to determine initially whether the witnesses relevant on how can they Basel Zeh they love. This is not a relevant witness or the John Bolton is not a relevant witness come on and you know what I gotta say hey. I know that you've heard me say that Hunter Biden shouldn't be called but can we trade him can we can we trade him if the Republicans are like. Hey No I. If you witnesses we get witnesses bro. If I'm the Democrats the CRAP I go okay. I'll tell you what we'll bring it. Hunter Biden. We'll give you Joe Biden. I want love partners and John Bolton and then Hunter Biden can sit on that stand. He's being cross examined and I can start asking about that and it can be objection. That has nothing to do with this case. Objection Sean that has nothing to do with this case a work it was investigated but it was investigated a period. They're looking into was before I worked there and then just not answering either stupid questions about corruption. He may or may not have witnessed or why he was paid fifty thousand thousand dollars or what he was doing. That's different trial in a different time. Man Talk to your Justice Department opened up a new investigation. He's not the one on trial. I get it it's Shitty. We shouldn't have to deal with this but I'm just saying Ashby willing to trade him. If we get lead parts and John unbolting there they wanna Bring Hunter Biden as a distraction technique. There is nothing formidable or valuable. Oh from Hunter Biden their arguments GonNa be if we can prove that there was corruption than Donald. Trump has a reason to investigate fine. But you don't call call the president of another country and ask him to do the investigation. You Open up the investigation in your Justice Department. There is protocol for how this stuff works in an all day. They've been saying today that Hunter Biden wouldn't be relevant but of course he'd be relevant if witnesses call because the issue is was he corrupt opt did. The president legitimately have an interest in ferreting out corruption including the corruption of hundred Biden. So I think if ever responded to what he's saying by the way while this guy is talking there is a screen in the bottom right hand corner of a video of Bernie Sanders and the red. It's a red background and the the White Text Says Twenty Twenty Democrats in disarray. What it Oh okay I get it? There's a rift going on between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. I'll get to that at some point. Maybe on this one maybe not but Democrats begin to open the door they will regret it also. It will put the trial off. CCC It's a fear tactic. If they begin to open the door vail regretted okay. Let's open the door. Let's bring in Hunter Biden set down corruption note. was that investigated. Why are we paid? Fifty thousand okay. I did this and this and this or my contract director doesn't permit me to talk about my duties. I don't understand how this is. How Democrats would regret if we if if if Democrats also get to bring in John Bolton and left parties and Mick Mulvaney and pence and trump? Oh My god God that would be phenomenal to get all five of them to testify. And by the way the Senate trial they can actually be dragged in handcuffs. They can't ignore the subpoenas like they did in the house. You you they will be forced to testify. Wouldn't it be great to see months. Donald Trump in handcuffs dreaming for a second me even longer than that. Because they were GONNA call. Bolton Bolton will want to testify. The president will invoke executive privilege and then the Senate will have to take that case to court and the court will have to decide either a blanket way or question by question way whether or not Bolton has the right to answer these questions remember. He doesn't get to make the the decision it's made by the president. In the first instance and then the courts interesting. So what what. The president's attorney one of the attorneys is already telling us is that if the Democrats do call witnesses and John Bolton is one of those witnesses and John Bolton is willing to testify the donald trump is going to try to stop it. Why I get executive privilege? There may be sensitive sensitive information there may be classified information. Okay that's fair but couldn't and he just say that is classified information. I can't release. I can't answer that question. Why would the president not want one of the main guy is involved in this to testify? If he were innocent. If I was innocent I would want everybody who was close to me as many people as possible to come and talk about the truth to be crossed and if they were lying I would want my attorneys to cross examine them. I would not be trying to block people from talking. You only tried to hide. You'll guilt you don't hide alibis. So He's already saying ended of John Bolton's willing to testify trump's going to try to stop it. Wow I just is that not. Does he not look guilty. Guilty as hell right now. Okay so John Bolton says well it's it's the president's executive privilege he gets to invoke it president residency Willett Bogut by the way psych all prior presidents have been. You know all the instances if in the Obama and the Obama years. Oh there was no trial and Obama. Don't I don't call that Shit. Guess he invoked executive privilege on a few instances but it was not to save his ass from being investigated. Another little slimy the move by Sean Hannity so the question is and he says well. I WANNA testify anyway. That would have to be litigated separately professor absolutely now. There are two ways. You can litigated one. You can make a motion to the chief justice I think he would defer to the Senate gotta be great though if they make a motion of the chief justice and he says yes. I'll allow it. Oh so if he doesn't isn't that him slowing up the trial now. We're going to blame the do nothing radicalized socialist left and and then the issue if the Senate votes they will probably agree that it's executive privilege as imagine a world. Were the jury votes to not hear from a witness Hud. Imagine imagine being on a jury no matter what the topic was or what the crime lime or who the defendant is imagine not wanting to hear from a witness. I'll tell you if I was on a jury and my daughter was the defendant accused of a crime. I would want to hear from every witness. There is not another human being on this planet closer to me than my daughter but I would want to hear from every witness. I would want to challenge that witness's credibility I would want to hear their side of the story was because if my daughter did it dammit I want to know but imagine being in the Senate being the chief justice having a a witness before you that says I know I was trump's right hand man in this whole thing I can tell you everything about the relationship with Ukraine in about all this drug deal the thing that was going on between us and Ukraine. I I'll tell you everything because I care about our country. And as chief justice going no the the the defendant has said. He doesn't want you to talk so as the judge I'm GONNA say no you can't talk in the jury. He goes. Yeah we agree. You shouldn't talk. That is a cover rob. That's not that's not justice you call it executive privilege. It sounds sexy. I could get executive privilege if they were asking about secret missions and shit that we're not not supposed to know about that would compromise our nation security. Yeah but this isn't that that's not what these questions are about. Then the Senate probably. I don't know how these people sleep at night. How do these people sleep could take it to the courts and seek to have a re determination in the courts but it would take forever remember? The Democrats said the reason. They didn't bring the Bolton Subpoena to the Courts as it would take too much time. Now they want to do it again. Well well well hold on. They just said they didn't bring subpoenaed to the courts. Now let's back up. Let's back up. I had a tab opened a second ago. All Right Canada's thirteen twelve or thirteen subpoenas. Timothy Morrison was subpoenaed on October thirty. First Catherine Cross and Christopher Anderson on October thirtieth Lieutenant Colonel Vitamin twenty-ninth Security Advisor. Charles Cooperman on the twenty eighth secretary of State Acting Assistant Secretary of State Philip Reeker twenty-sixth Deputy Secretary Assistant Lower Cooper on the twenty third ambassador. William Taylor on the twenty second. How'd you keep going Fiona Hill Marie-yvonne Vich Rick? Perry October over ten left parties and Eagle Fruman both were subpoenaed but they were arrested the day before they were subpoenaed needed So they were not able to think I don't know the story behind that Going on who of course was there and testified. Mark Esper- Mick Mulvaney Mike Pence Russell. Vaught Rudy Giuliani Secondary State Mike Pompeo and and John Bolton apparently he's on this list now but John Bolton was subpoenaed but it was something happened with it being rejected rejected or ignored or they. They told them ahead of time. He was not going to respond to it. Both the House could have done is taking it taking it to court and forced it to happen but it would have been so much time like this guy is talking about right now Oh so so during the House Awesome Peach Mint hearings This is from New York Times Bolton who appears to have damaging evidence about trump indicated that he would not testify voluntarily this week however Bolton changed his position and said he would honor a Senate subpoena so he probably said ahead of time. I'm not GONNA do it. So don't bother doing the subpoena. And they could have done it and taking it to court and forced him to go but we would be in the middle of the John Bolton for him to go to court for trial and it would have dragged this out for months maybe over a year just to get him to go to the democratic impeachment hearings before they can ever even take the articles of impeachment over so because he said he was going to deny it and not do it. They didn't bother dragging out because they do it again. Because they didn't figure he was gonNA. It was gonNA take Monto dry. Get out anyway. So now this Guy Dershowitz is saying. Hey if if they really wanted justify should've taken it to court but then they also say Democrats dragged everything out when clearly they they were trying to speed things up and they knew that they weren't gonna be able to force him to go anywhere where he was going to take months. So let's just get the damn ball rolling and now that the Senate could actually force them in handcuffs to show up if they WANNA fight right it he said okay. I'll do it so they're going. Yeah okay then. Let's let's get the witnesses and the Senate's going. We're not doing your job. Mind Boggling and frustrating. We'll take even more time and postpone the Senate trial for possibly months until they get a definitive decision from the United States Supreme Court. So they're trying to have it both ways Pam. Where do you weigh in on the witness issue and the executive privilege issue? Because there's those are now front and center and I do agree with the professor there's got to be reciprocity here. We're going to have witnesses. I'd like to hear from the congenital. Liar Adam Schiff shift. I think he's compromised in the nickname. The congenital liar. Adam Schiff. Yeah you're totally fair and balanced on case I would like to hear from non John Hunter Biden. Do you know any company in Florida. When you were attorney? General that paid millions of dollars that had absolutely zero experience. I've never I've never the professional gig absolutely zero experience. Sean professor show which is of course right on this it first of all this should have been handled in the house. It wasn't they punted. They want the Senate to do their dirty work now. They can't get a Redo and that's what they're trying to get me. Disturbing Turbine is. This guy's this is just disgusting. Why am I doing this to you? I like you people again again. It's it's this is what is being fed into the eyeballs and ear holes of your loved ones so when they come at you with these arguments. They're not just making it up. They're not just hateful people. This is what they are told to believe because everything else is is fake news. US Senate but you know. Executive privilege is very important not only for president trump for every future president. Can you imagine imagine if that got waived for every future president. When now I'm so I am so spot on Bernie Sanders wins this election and then does us something really corrupt and shady that you sane folks you same attorneys are going to come to his aid in? You'RE GONNA come on on Sean Hannity and go. Let's protect Bernie Sanders executive privilege. Oh please let's let's let's defended. excecutive privilege for Bernie Sanders close security issues. That just could be set and talk about all the time. It would be horrible for our country for first for centuries to come so I doubt that's going to happen if it does though. And if they won't witnesses bring it on because we're going to help plenty of witnesses to call if they won't win the sky is falling Republicans. Everybody watching at home. The Sky is falling in the Democrats are poking holes in your support structure the radicalized socialist help. We're protecting future sure presidents. We're going to have them to the reason I agreed to do this. Over the objection of some of my family members and many many friends one of my relatives today wrote to me and said would you please change your last name now. Oh I empathize with that when Dershowitz. My mom was asked me that when I was on Christian radio. She's he's like God you have to use your last name surprised. He said that John Hannity do what you just. Don't drag my name and attach it with with defending this president The reason that I grew hannity sounds pretty good. You could take my the reason that I'm concerned about future presidents. This will weaken the presidency. If this is a president it will make impeachment a weaponized tactic to be used anytime. A president WHO's controversial faces a house that has a majority on the other side when a president who's controversial. You mean any president who requests that a foreign government get involved by investigating their political political rival. Yeah and I gotTa tell you right. Now I'm leaning towards Bernie in the primaries in if Bernie wins and Bernie fights h trump and Bernie gets elected in Bernie calls up some other ambassador or president and want somebody to investigate. Whoever he's running against in twenty twenty four yeah I would want Bernie Sanders impeached? This is about the truth. This is about legality. This is about respecting the constitution and the separation of powers. This is about him now. Obstructing Congress to block things and block subpoenas because he doesn't doesn't want people to be to testify. I would want him gone. I would flip on him in a heartbeat. Because I'M GONNA sign of Justice and Truth Amount of partisan bandwagon maniac. That's not what the framers had in mind and I will lay out the debates over the constitutional convention lay out what happened. Why The framers pick these full words? Treason bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors four concepts and hopefully my goal is to persuade some Democrats. I'm a Democrat. I want to persuade some Democrats. What did you just say the Dershowitz just say he is a Democrat? Oh my God he is. He endorsed Hillary Clinton in two thousand eight in two thousand twelve. Oh he supported Barack Obama's reelection campaign but After a a photo emerged with Obama and nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan Connecticut National Black Caucus Dershowitz insisted he wouldn't have never campaign for Obama Had he known and then he endorsed Joe Biden for this year for twenty twenty. I'm a strong supporter of Joe. Oh Biden I like Joe Biden of liked him for a long time and then he criticized Bernie Sanders. Wow Wow all right see look. We learned something terrible Democrat that this is not an impeachable peachable fence and have them vote not to impeach not to remove the president all right Professor Dershowitz former Attorney General Pam Bondi. Thank you both now. The ongoing impeachment saga will have major negative ramifications for the upcoming election. But I don't believe for the president. Several Democratic candidates are now being dragged off the campaign paying trail and the height of the primary season in order to attend the Senate trial dragged again. It's not now. They have to be doing this instead of campaigning. Winning it's dragged so dramatic yet socialist Bernie Sanders complaining that Socialist Bernie Sanders. Can we get again either. Sean doesn't care about the truth or he doesn't understand the difference between socialism and Democratic Socialism. I don't think he cares. I don't think he's he's there to bring nuance of. I would be an idiot to go. What isn't Sean Hannity? Suddenly care about nuance when it comes to socialism. I know he doesn't care all right. I'm going to back up a little bit. And when I hear what he's GonNa say about Bernie now. Several Democratic candidates are now being dragged off the campaign in trail and the height of the primary season in order to attend the Senate Trial Socialist Bernie Sanders complaining that he would much rather be in Iowa. He's trying to make it. Sound like even Bernie says I'd rather be an Iowan and by the way what the what the text said on the screen. I'd rather be an Iowa then sitting in trump's impeachment trial but that's not what he said here's what he actually said he said I'd rather be in Iowa but listen to the whole thing This is not a happy day for the country wherever you are a Democrat or Republican progressive or Conservative this. This is not something that anybody wanted a but we have a constitution. We have a rule of law and is absolutely lutely imperative that no president can be above the law. No matter who you are. And if we allow this president to be above the law that sets a terrible precedent for future presidents for the future of this country so I would hope that Senator McConnell allows us to have a full and fair trial When you have a trial you hear from witnesses? That's what we do in the United States and I hope McConnell will allow those witnesses to testify and give us their version of what happened but while we go forward with this impeachment trial. I hope the American people on the same that we have not forgotten that in this country outside of Washington Washington DC DC. Today there are millions of people who are struggling economically millions of people who cannot afford their prescription drugs or their healthcare. Okay and what. The Congress of the United States has got to do is chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. We've got to deal with this impeachment trial but we cannot forget the very serious problems facing the American. Yeah I am I would rather be in Iwa today. There's there's a caucus there and two and a half weeks rather be in the Hampshire and in Nevada and so forth but I swore the constitutional oath as the United States Senate to do my job. I'm here to do my job. And I think the people of the United States sights on this thing now. So so no Sean Hannity stop acting like Bernie Sanders agrees with you. That he's being being dragged off and that he would rather be an Iowa and then sitting in trump's impeachment trial. We know that politicians would rather be campaigning. But but don't take something. He said out of context in act like he agrees with you to spend their time in Washington. DC At their day jobs longer. The Senate trial last last longer. These three candidates will be off the trail and for what president trump will be acquitted vindicated articles of impeachment of bogus. So right now as he's talking there is a new graphic up. I don't know if this is some sort of. I guess this is previewing previewing. What he's about to talk about? But it shows It's really a up close. I can't tell if it's a Capitol building or the White House the Capitol building And it shows the democratic donkey and some sort of cross like a a pillar to church across on it and it says another day another stunt and normally you would think when I say graphic. There's a tiny little thing by his left-hand shoulder or something. No it is like forty five percent of the screen. It's almost a complete equal split screen but his side is just a little bit wider. But you're talking forty forty five percent of the screen is taken up with this massive graphic that says another day another stunt with a blue donkey and for some reason across. I'm curious as to what's about to happen here. And recently former congressman and prosecutor tray gouty pointed out that the president single best piece of evidence is the transcript of the very calling question. Oh you mean the redacted doctored transcript that we got from the White House okay joining us now to explain Fox News Contributor Trey Goudy well we know what we have we. I don't know how much more I can taking this. I am fourteen minutes into Sean Hannity episode and I don't think I can. Is there a chance that this guy is going to make more sense. It is bringing on another person is this. Is this the one episode where he brings on someone intelligent With a good head on their shoulders and logical. That's going to tell the truth all of those. I'm always had intelligent people on before but I need a whole all all those qualifications clicked off here. I don't want to stop it. Because what if this guy I have to listen to the transcript by the way this is how I watch Fox News in real life I mike positively no way. There's no way this is real. Might nope maybe the next guy the next guy is going to be different. I hit play and then I'm like Jesus I posit again like this can't be. Oh there's a new guest that maybe this is the guy that's GonNa Change it. All bore importantly they never talked about eight in that call. Would you do us a favor because we hear about election interference and separate and apart from Russian interference. We know Ukrainian court Hort determined so political wrote about it in January of two thousand seventeen wait. They never talked about aid. I happen to have a copy of the transcript this perfect call. Now as Sean Hannity said is the word aid mentioned. Maybe not maybe not exactly like that. I need aid. I investigate Joe Biden. That's not what happened. No but let me read you a lot of times. They just flash up a couple of sentences here and there I'm going to read to you the paragraph that's Alinsky said and then the paragraph that trump said you ready for this strap in or on trump right before this just says the United States has been very very good to Ukraine Zilenski. Yes you are absolutely right not only one hundred percent but actually actually one thousand percent and I can tell you the following. I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her. I also met with and talked with macron. macaroni mccraw wrong butchered. That and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing. On the issues with the sanctions they are not enforcing the sanctions. They're you're not working as much as they could. As much as they should work. For Ukraine it turns out that even though logically the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union. And I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine that sounds like aid much more than the European Union a union especially when we're talking about sanctions against the Republican Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense that also sounds like aid. We are ready to continue to to cooperate for the next steps specifically. We are almost ready to buy more javelin from the United States. It's for defense purposes. Trump's next line I would like you to do us a favor though. How is this not a very obvious? Quid pro quo. I would like you to do us a favor. Though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine. They say that crowd strike. I guess you have one of your wealthy people the server they say you have they say Ukraine has it got any talk like a moron. There are a lot of things that went on the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the attorney general. Call you or your people and I would like you to get to to the bottom of it as you saw. Yesterday the whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Muller an incompetent performance limits. But they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whenever you can do? It's very important that you do it if that's possible now that happened right right. After Alinsky said America's doing a lot for us or United States is doing a lot for us. We appreciate your support in the area of defense. We are ready to cooperate for the next steps. We need to buy more things we need to do. And we need you to do a favor though and then the Response Yes it's very important for me in everything that you just mentioned earlier for me as a president. It's very important that we are open open for any future cooperation. We ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations with the United States and Ukraine. He say we'll do whatever you want. For that purpose I just recalled our ambassador from the United States in he will be replaced by very competent and very experienced ambassador. Who will work hard on making sure that our our two nations are getting closer? I would lie. I would also like in hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you speaking of impeachment so we can cooperate even more so I will personally tell you that one of my assistant spoke with. Mr Giuliani Foam. Mr Giuliani is not a part of this government. Rudy Giuliani at this. Time is the president's private personal. Well Attorney why in the hell is he talking to the president of another country. We are very much hoping that Mr Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to reassure you once again that you have no body Lebed friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. Yes we are great friends and you. Mr President have friends in our country. So we can continue our strategic partnership I also plan plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation I guarantee as the president of Ukraine that all the investigations investigations will be done openly and Kane Italy that I can assure you in here comes. The President says good because I heard you had a prosecutor who is very good and he was shut down. And that's really unfair a lot a lot of people are talking about that the way they shut your very good prosecutor down you had some very bad people involved. Mr Giuliani is a highly respected respected. Man He was the mayor of New York City. A great mayor and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along. With the Attorney General Rudy. Very much knows what's happening in his very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States the the woman was bad news and the people she was dealing with in Ukraine. Were bad news so I just WanNa let you know so I just want to let you know that the other thing. There's a lot of talk about Biden's son that Biden. Stop the prosecution and a lot of people wanna find out about that so whatever you you can do. With the attorney. General would be great Biden win around bragging that he stopped the prosecution. So if you can look into it it sounds horrible to me zilinskiene responds. I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all I understand and I'm knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our parliament the next prosecutor general will be my will be one hundred percent. My person my candidate who will be approved by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation specifically into the company that you mentioned in this issue. The the issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so that we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case. Ace on top of that. I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide us. It would be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we administer administer justice in our country with regard to the ambassador to the United States from Ukraine. As far as I recall her name was Ivanovich it. It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador. Because I agree with you. One hundred percent her attitude attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous president and she was on his side she would not accept me as a new president. Well enough the trump's response well she's going to go through some things I will have. Mr Giuliani give you a call. Paul and I'm also going to have attorney general bar call in. We will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out are. The prosecutor was treated very badly and he was very very fair prosecutor. So good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better. I predict yet. This attorney or this guy believes did that is the best evidence. Thanks for trump. Let's see so my question is how do you see this going down. And where do you you see legally the best arguments for the president. Please be a good one. Please be good when please be good. One was going to be acquitted. The question is how many Republican senators editors are caught in the crossfire with multiple votes. About witnesses you know Sean. I never thought this was about removing Donald Trump from office. What am I listening into my ears right now? What is he's out? Is he chewing chewing on cotton. Swabs I mean I speak southern I get it but this is this is like swamp mud about removing Cory Gardner and Martha mcsally and Joni earns the very best piece piece of Alvin as president. Trump has what elvis deals. Can someone tell me what elderly is. BUSBY'S BUSBY's Royalva. Don't Oh this is just ad Hominem David snap out of it. I'm sorry I'm pissed off. Is the transcript itself. We don't need this transcript French group do it. Show of realize this guy's Mitch. McConnell Oni was about twenty years younger to know how anybody else felt that was on the call. We don't need to know what they thought would. We don't need bess askew witnesses. We don't need to know what people felt that was listening with. Don't need interpretations of the law. What are you talking about? Of course we need that have the transcript. It was the second call between President Trump and presence Alinsky if president president trump were really hell bent on conditioning aid on investigating the bind. Why did he not bring it up in the first call not a word in the first call? The second goal is because Rick Perry wanted 'em and bugged him too. 'CAUSE Linski again need you to do US favor. WHO's us? Well you answer the question. Our country country has been through a lot. who grew out Rudy Giuliani? It was President Celeski not president trump. WHO brought up bill bar and in what context and I'm sorry Shawn but if it is there's an impeachable offense I just read? I just read that you guys know what happened now. Answer his questions for yourself. If you didn't go back and listen into me reading it again. Have the Attorney General of the United States call about potential evidence or impropriety. Then God help. Every president here Tacoma August. Your age is going to be in a lot of trouble. It doesn't see again. They're selling fear. God help every president from her calm. What's your thoughts on the obsession of Parnassus? You know basically two point. Oh and now the foreign minister of Ukraine. He's coming less PARNIS. The guy's name is love. Just for clarity. Don't trust that guy. We don't trust that guy and you'd be in charge by the Southern District of New York campaign finance regulations and trying to hide a billion million dollar payment from all countries Russia. But yet he's the new Michael Albany L. The new Michael Cone or the new John Dean. The Democrats are on a roll now with either call all and how y'all blaming Democrats for your corrupt Republicans that are breaking finance laws. You see what's happening here. Republican donors are getting busted for campaign fraud and Democrat lawmakers bring those Republicans in the testify wore the Democrats on a roll here bringing in the best of the Boylston. What the real deal? This is just interest insane. Oh convicted felons or people who are about to be convicted felons. Yeah there you guys man. That's why they're calling him is that they have knowledge of Republican shadiness shadiness. They have knowledge of what's been going on. That's why they're relevant. It's they're taking this idea that these people are indicted. I did or or criminals or about to be convicted of something. And they're blaming the Democrats for using these witnesses. Who are the Democrats? Democrats opposed to call people who already disagree with trump. This is what are you. What are you doing this? This is the pity of spin. You take bad guys from the Republican Party who are willing linked to flip on the president. And now you're just going to be like yeah. They're picking a lot of bad guys. We can't trust him. He was doing. Trump's Birdie work in Ukraine. He's The guy to talk to pluck. I actually watched the interviews. The headlines are much more dramatic addict than the interview. The headline picks out one of his four answers to the same question. So take Mike Pence Mike Pence know about it absolutely he knew about it then. Three seconds later later well it's improbable that he didn't know about it. That's false three seconds later he does not say improbable. He Reassures Anderson Cooper. He had an everybody knew about it and then three seconds later. What's possible? No it's not three seconds later but he did say a a a few minutes later he was talking about. I'm sure you saw but a few seconds later. US He was talking about Anderson. Cooper tried to reiterate that Mike Pence knew everything and we changed it to everything left. Partners goes well. I don't know he knew everything but he he he did know what was going on. Anderson and Anderson Cooper goes so he knew about the quid pro quo he knew about is like Oh yeah. Of course he knew that part. It wasn't that he gave four different answers. Answers to the same question this I had high hopes for this guy. And he's the worst trey. Goudy is his name by the way. That's great if you're picking out a headline the hill or politico. It's a lousy witness if you're calling them impeachment hearings so if you'RE GONNA call parts if you're GONNA call him and make his credibility his believability in issue then. Let's call twenty people who have an opinion on whether or not you should believe lip porn is now. We're up to what twenty one witnesses. Oh my God do these peop- D do these people actually believe the stuff that they're saying like is this a is this acting it. Is this a I wonder I'm GONNA GO CHECK I. I'm going to check with my agent to see if I could get a role like this. CB CB on Hannity show new new. Brian would the Democrats Wheels Veja Socialist. Annie's let's say I do I do. I do declare him Democrats Democrats Socialists. I'M GONNA go over here and plant McCone him afield. No you let me. We know when the world blows up when we put Democrats in. George sorry should never record a podcast at three the clock in the morning you can do that. You can do any witness. That shift wants to call then Republicans have the right to say you know what the credibility ability believability of this witnesses at issue. Let's call a bunch of witnesses. Have an opinion on whether or not you should believe him. It could go on. It could go on past the election election if they WANNA play that game. What about the two issues? We're talking about with Pam Bondi and I gotta say Dershowitz this Guy Gowdy and and Pam Bondi. They've all three while being ridiculous and absurd. They all three of suggested five. Call witnesses witnesses and we will to sounds like we might have a shot at seeing witnesses in this trial. I wonder if they say no witnesses. If they have to give a reason as to why it's not relevant in how in the hell can you say that John Bolton and left parties are not relevant witnesses and if they're not relevant how is Hunter Biden relevant. I'm almost done with this. I promise I can't keep going and professor virtue. It's that being. Of course I executive privilege in this whole issue. The constitution is clear. This is your wheelhouse. You're a former prosecutor. And he's a former prosecutor. Taylor goodness sitution gives the sole power to impeach the house. They've impeached him. Now make your case. Why would Senate Republicans want to try and do the houses job when they have failed pretty spectacular? My opinion they should and I hope my friends on the Republican side. We'll ask Adam Schiff. Why should we call witnesses? That you didn't think were important enough to call yourself. If my palm peyot is an indispensable witness. Why did you not call him? Not Go to court not short out privilege. Whoa what was my list? I would bet you a million million dollars. Mike Pompeo was on that list. Mike Pompeo was subpoenaed September twenty seventh for documents related to Ukraine. Gene pompeo failed to comply with the October fourth deadline to produce the documents. I'm blue. How can this guy say that? He wasn't called as a witness. See we go from things. Being spun in a unique way to partial truths to Absolute flat out lies. That's disturbing guys. This guy is so arrogant. Gowdy is so arrogant if the Democrats dot com on Pale with such a big deal whether they called they did call him he refused to comply. And then if you notice he says they refuse to bring it to court will what. He's what he's saying. There is after pump after he was subpoenaed and in Palm. Pale refused to comply with the Subpoena House. Democrats were going to have to drag this through the the court process and go through an entire trial just to enforce POMPEII. Oh to show up to the impeachment hearing that is a waste of time when the Senate can force him to come immediately may not be immediate. It'll be a hell of a lot faster than the Democrats could have got it done. This is discussed. This is bullshit. How can freedom of the press has been taken too far? This is this is just this is this is the audio version of the national enquirer. Just whatever the hell they I wanNA say to get people on their side he can say. Why didn't they call? Mike Pompeo even though they did with the subpoena that he ignored. How is is this possibly fair and balanced Hannity gouty? You are disgraceful liars. Why why are you doing this to people on the issue of privilege on every privileged that exist keeps you from accessing information priest? Penitent doctor patient attorney. Client every privilege keeps you from accessing information but we valued the relationship more than we do the information. It is why we have privileges if Adam Schiff wanted mulvaney Giuliani and POMPEO and boughten. He had months and months to go to court art and get a ruling that they had to talk. He didn't want that. He wants Corey and Martha and Joni Arts. And Thom Tillis to vote on these witnesses. He knows he's not going to get a conviction. Fiction wants to take the Senate so the second. Donald Trump term beginning in twenty. Twenty one is neutered because Chuck Schumer's the majority leader. And if that doesn't scare the hell out ah via nothing can scare your song and that is the point of all of this. He wants you to be afraid. He's he's directly telling the viewer if that doesn't scare you nothing. Nothing will just like Christianity they give you the fear in sell you the antidote by our bullshit to no longer be afraid of the bullshit. We told you thirty seconds ago. God that's depressing. POLIT- effect has a file on. Sean Hannity If you take his true and mostly true statements it only makes up twenty nine percent of what comes out of his mouth half truth. Seventeen percent mostly false seventeen percent false US twenty nine percent pants on fire. Four percent seventy seventy one percent of the things Sean. Hannity says are either half false or complete bullshit but he is fair and balanced and CNN is fake news. I want to tell me and the Patriots on comments below who you trust for news. I'm really curious. I've tried to do a poll on twitter but I can only do four options. I WANNA know who most people use for. The News not signed up on Patriot. Ongo do that now. It's patriots dot com slash. David C. Smalley this is a very very long smalley short but I had to get this off my chest. I've been doing another one shortly on the whole Bernie. Elizabeth Warren thing with is is this show runs one major thing in common with my other episodes in that is the truth matters. Seek the truth and free your mind. 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Robert De Niro: Trump has to be held accountable, period

"We keep on using this euphemistic expression. Quid pro quo. The actual term for what occurred is extortion torsion and extortion is a crime. I think the allegation is extortion. Is Illegal I think constitutes a bribe that to me is is extortion and bribery because you are bribing officials of another country good morning and welcome to am joy. Remember me. I'm back and yes. There was a story behind that which I will have more on later. In the show we have a big show today including a nuts nuts and bolts explainer on medicare for all and Robert Deniro. We'll be here yes but first we are just over two weeks away from one of the most most beloved American food holidays Thanksgiving where problematic actual history meets delicious cuisine. And many of you will soon be heading home to spend time with with family and friends eat a little too much and perhaps engaged. They dreaded contentious political debate with your uncle Roscoe when he starts yelling reading that transcript at the dinner table between bites of Turkey and Pumpkin Pie but fair not we hear. Am to help you get through it all by telling you everything you need to understand about. out impeachment so that you can easily explained Uncle Roscoe and Aunty Carol before you all settle into yell at each other about football thus far in the impeachment WPRO. This is what you need to understand. You've been hearing about all of these. Different Characters Giuliani Associates Levin Eagle or the three Amigos ambassador this and embassador that and all the names are probably all jumbled together in your head right about now but here's a hint. Do not worry about trying to explain the cast of characters or the way or the very overused news term quid pro quo. Most people can't say it spell it or understand it though. It has become a kind of a catch phrase for the media and for Donald Trump and his defenders. We're actually talking about here is not a pithy Latin phrase. It's something a lot simpler bribery and extortion. So make it simple. Like professor Laurence tribe who laid out out the case for impeachment perfectly this week tweeting quote bribery and extortion are two sides of the same impeachable coin. Trump was one extorting Ukraine. No Defense Eight. Unless you smear bide and clear Putin Ari Twenty Sixteen and to soliciting a bribe from Ukraine. If you helped me win in two thousand twenty I'll l. help you defend your country against Russia. That's it. This is a case of presidential level bribery and extortion. Donald Trump held up hundreds of millions of dollars hundreds of millions of dollars in desperately-needed congressionally authorized military aid to Ukraine right before July. Phone call with Ukrainian President Volodin Amir's Kalinski where it was made clear. Ukraine needed to dig up dirt on trump's twenty twenty political rival Joe Biden if they wanted to do and beyond the whistleblower and over one hundred Hours of testimony backing up that fact. Donald trump admitted to it and even released edited notes from his call with the Ukrainian president. which by the way is is not a transcript? They'd actually prove he did it. Even uncle roscoe Naughty Carol ought to understand that and joining me now it's MSNBC legal analyst. Glenn Kirschner her and Glenn you are former prosecutor. It's always great to talk to you but I wonder if in your years of being prosecuted you ever had a defendant. Actually Julie Admit to the crime and then also release evidence of the grime. Yeah first of all welcome back joy. We all missed you. Thank you second. I've had plenty of defendants confess. I've had them confessed to FBI agents to homicide detectives. I've had them confess to their families. Their friends their associates. Rarely really do I have them then go on for example the public courthouse steps and confessed to everybody. Usually they try to hide hide. The confession secrete the confession. President trump seems to embrace and brag about his confession which in a normal world should make prosecuting him or impeaching him. All the easier but of course. It's all about politics. It's not about criminal law or justice. It seems and you know the reason I just you know. Being home sick I watched a lot of TV young but also a lot of news and this just repetition of quid pro quo. Oh starting to bug me at a certain point because even talking with my family friends family and friends smart people who understand politics follow this stuff are even like what is quid pro quo. Why is everybody everybody throwing around this phrase? When am I right to say that? It is a lot simpler to just explain. This is something people understand. If you've ever watched a mob movie extortion and bribery. abry it is. It's way easier. We should just take quid pro quo and throw it in the garbage. What what this is not to do a criminal one class but this this is both crimes of bribery and extortion and some people are like well does it had to be one or the other and it really doesn't often when one person acts it's commits a crime? That person violates. Several statutes breaks several US so for example. If I punch somebody in the street and take their wallet. I've actually committed the crime crime assault. I've committed the crime of theft of the wallet and I've committed the crime of robbery taking somebody taking somebody's property pretty from their immediate possession by force or violence three crimes. Why do we have bribery and extortion? Here in what. The president did with respect to presidents. Alinsky Linski well one. We have bribery because that is simply asking a government official to take an official act and either paying them to do so so or offering them an incentive to do so what trump did was he offered presidents Alinsky and incentive by withholding holding funds that Congress had allocated to Dolinsky that Zilenski had every right to joy it would be no different than if somebody intercepted my paycheck that I earned earned and said you don't get this until you do me a favor as a government official one. That's bribery to. Why is it extortion? Extortion it's just getting something of value by threat or force. What did he do here? He said look. I know you want this aid that has rightfully been given to you by Congress but and I know you wanted to protect the lives of your people against Russian aggression but I need a favor though I want false dirt on Biden joy broken down to its simplest terms. This was a dirty deal that involved oft arms for political dirt period and it's bribery and extortion. Yeah I mean John. Bolton who was Donald Trump's national security called it a drug deal like a key likened it to a drug deal Mick Mulvaney who is both Donald Trump's acting chief of staff but he's also the budget director the thing that is so the reason this is kind of almost a dumb dumb crime is that you have the same guy who's actually in charge of the budget. Actually tell them tell them tell. The federal government withhold the aid this aid congress already approved so if Mulvaney steps in in his budget director role says no don't send the money over there defying congress. There's something called the Hobbs Act which is about interference interference with commerce by threats of violence. What would be the violence? Russia has invaded Ukraine there in the midst of violence. Do you think there's a hobbs. Act Back Problem here and do you think Mulvaney. He's got an illegal exposure. I do as USA. Hobbs Act is just a fancy term that we put on extortion by government officials. So so Mulvaney does have a problem because picking up on your analogy Malvina is like the pay Clark or the HR person who's cutting checks for people. The the checks that they've already earned because Zilenski and Ukraine already earned in a sense the money that Congress allocated to you have them defend themselves. So this wasn't a gift. This wasn't something they were hoping. For and Mulvaney does have exposure. He has exposure as has a CO conspirator in this dirty Ukrainian deal he I would say is just as guilty as a co-conspirator of the same bribery and extortion. That president trump is guilty. Do you think this is just me guessing as a non lawyer when Mick Mulvaney basically stood up and said yeah of course it was a it was they had to give. You've do what we said. In order to get the aid. We do this all the time was that maybe him trying to protect himself from legal exposure by basically just admitting to it. I I don't no if he is picking up the sort of trump party line which is that. If I say these things in the open people will view them as less incriminating. I think it was Mulvaney trying to shift the narrative from Oh man if they catch us doing this if they out the quid pro quo the bribery bribery extortion. Then it's going to be really bad so I'm going to try to get in front of it and I'm going to try to shift the narrative to you know what it might look dirty. It might feel dirty but politics is dirty and this is the kind of thing we do all the time. Let me play you Nikki Haley. Who is a former South Carolina governor and was Donald Trump's ambassador the UN? She gave a defense. She's on the outside looking in but probably wants to have a political future. Maybe wants to run for president as a Republican or self one day. So she's got to get on the trump team. I guess that's what she thinks here. She is defending Donald. Trump are regarding impeachment. Take a listen you think. Ultimately the president will be impeached and removed from office. No Oh on what. You're going to impeach the president for asking for a favor that didn't happen and and giving money and it wasn't with health. I don't know what you would impeach impeach him on. They look nor impeachment is like the death penalty for a public official. When you look at the transcript? There's nothing in that transcript at warrants the death penalty for the president okay. I'm not a lawyer but impeachment is like the indictment for murder. It is not the death penalty. The death penalty is after you get convicted. which the Senate's job would be impeachment is just the indictment folks? It's not the death penalty. That's actually not true but let's play that out for us. We know that the you don't need a crime. Crime to impeach the president. The constitution has high crimes and misdemeanors not necessarily crimes. You could go to prison for N.. If we take Nikki Haley construction here in your paycheck analogy. If the administrator was gonNA withhold your paycheck unless you dug up dirt on their neighbor that they wanted to bring down and then it got found out that they were doing that to you and they had actually tried to extort you. They tried to do it but then got out and they said you know what. Go ahead and take your paycheck. Did they still commit a crime they did and we heard Kellyanne Conway recently Stand in front of the camera and say well. There really was no crime or no wrongdoing here. Because Ukraine ultimately got the money that Congress allocated to them now sure after some Ukrainian soldiers and citizens. It's likely died as a result of this unlawful delay by the president but even more importantly think about it. They only released the aid after the whistle blower outed them which they use in their own defense but joy that's incriminating. It's an admission of guilt. Because because if they had been withholding the aid for a lawful purpose then they would have said hey this whistle blower is out to lunch. We will continue to withhold. Hold the aid because it's the right lawful and just thing to do no they got caught. That's when they release the aid so Kellyanne Conway's claim that that is somehow somehow exculpatory. It's actually incriminating. Yeah like releasing the phone call notes. That's incriminates like that. He keeps saying. Read it every time you read read. It seems more incriminating anyway. Hold on stay with me for a second Glenn because we do but a little bit of breaking news according to The Washington Post House Republicans are planning to ask that Hunter Biden and the whistleblower testify in the impeachment probe a request. That Democrats are expected to reject because they control the process. NBC News Not Independently. Confirm this report. What do you make of this idea? That Republicans think that they could get hunter Biden to come and testify in something that he is not involved in remember. Our this idea that Hunter Biden was involved in some sort of nefarious. Ukraine scheme isn't drew. So what would having him there. What would be the point? And the whistle blower is anonymous. So what is the point of all this. The point is a distraction and a sideshow trying to do anything to deflect attention away from the crimes crimes that the president committed that are impeachable and joy. All of this sort of conjures up a notion of all of these Republicans senators in particular. Who are are basically aiding and abetting in president trump's crimes because they're trying to bury them they know that crimes against the United States have been committed and real quickly one sentence from this big Old Blue Book that you and I have talked about before this is the criminal code that has all of our federal laws in the country and accessory after the fact is one sentence? And here's how it reads joy. It says whoever knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed receives relieves comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension. Trial or punishment is an accessory after the fact. And you know what every politician who stands up knowing that the President committed a crime against the United States and says the president did nothing wrong they Elida the American people. That's really no different than just hiding the president in the basement of their house to try to keep law enforcement from rightfully getting in their hands on the president. Now you might say well it's hyperbolic to say all of these Republicans who lied to the American people and say the President committed no crime. It's it's just it's too much for us to get our arms around too. Many crimes are being committed. And it's a lot like littering or speeding. Well I would say not that. It's too much crime to get our arms around. It's too much crime not to get our arms around. This is something that we have to wrestle to the ground absolutely absolutely it calls into question the very the role the president and the Congress. And whether or not we're going to still be democracy where we're supposed to be Glenn Kirschner. It's always great to talk to you man. Thank you so much appreciate you being here. New Joy great seeing thank you and by the way I will let you guys know that. NBC News has now confirmed information about the Republicans desire of call Hunter Biden and the whistleblower. All right well coming up. I'm going to tell you how the biggest topic in democratic politics took over my life in a big way. That is next cantor from Cox has all your favorites all in one place and with the contour remote you can use your voice to fund them on live TV on demand hand and streaming apps like netflix prime video and more see Cox dot com for details so this week I got a nice nice close up look at our healthcare system as you may have noticed I was out for the last couple of weekends in Sick Bay as we trek. He's like to say and a huge. Thanks by the way to my age joy team and two friends John K part aim and more heating and Yasmeen the SUV IAN for keeping the starship on course and yes. I was actually sick. So please tell your auntie pearl and GRANDPA Winston to walk away from the conspiracy theories. I did not get bitten by a radioactive spider nor was I poisoned by the Russians. Nor was I locked in the thirty rock basement to keep me off twitter. In fact apparently I do too much like so many of us particularly women and even more so women of color and I ran down my immune system traveling and working too hard and not sleeping enough and despite having been vaccinated for a long long time ago came down with yield whooping cough which was just the icing on the cake. Back to a whole physical breakdown started right here on this set now. It's a lot and we don't have enough hours to go into it. But Short version blood clots and your brain do not mix but I find now and feeling all better. Thank you for all the well wishes the. Am Joy readers family out. There is the best in the world. I did learn a a few things by the way Over the past few weeks past couple of weeks one of which is at our healthcare system is amazing my doctors are fantastic but it was also also reminder that our system is also really really super dependent on insurance and where and how we get our insurance in many ways determines what kind of care hair we can afford for about half of Americans forty nine percent of us where we get. Our insurance is through our jobs or through a family members. Job Your Job Decides Your Insurance Plan and Iva the insurer or your company itself decides what tests and treatments they are willing to pay for it and if there's something that the bean counters WanNa prove you either pay for it yourself or I guess. Skip the treatment or the drug or the test. Not a good idea. And how you pay for that insurance is premiums. They come right out of your paycheck. You probably don't even pay much attention to them. And Your Company pays a portion of your premium that you don't even see and until you actually need healthcare. You probably probably don't think too much about that insurance. But the reason that your premiums and your co pays are pretty reasonable. Is that the pool of customers. The pools of customers who buy that insurance. It's a really really huge forty. Nine percent of Americans works out to one hundred and fifty six million people as a twenty seventeen. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation one hundred and fifty six million people who get their insurance. They work and they're pulled in these big groups among the major insurance companies and each pool basically buys in bulk and get decent prices for care for seven percent of Americans about twenty and a half million people. It's the opposite story. They buy their own insurance as individuals or small small companies. And so they pay both the premiums you see and the employer ones that you don't see the freelancers people owned really small businesses. They don't have a big group Hoop to negotiate for them or an employer share costs so they see all the costs themselves before obamacare. They could be sold cheapo insurance. It looks good until you show up at the doctor doctor and like what am I supposed to do with this with obamacare. They can qualify for a subsidy to help them ease the burden. Now the two other big pools of insured people are Are on Medicare and Medicaid. Fourteen percent of Americans about forty three million seniors are covered by Medicare the most popular form of insurance in America. According to Kaiser's polling Holik eighty-three percent of Americans see Medicare favorably about seven points higher than how private insurance polls and twenty one percent or about sixty five million people are covered by the other offshoot of the Social Security Act of nineteen sixty five medicaid which covers mostly lower income. People now Medicare in particular is not popular. It's also really efficient. Instead of a bunch of risk pools based on employers or state individual markets Medicare takes all forty three million seniors and puts them into one big giant Ryan Group. We're just one entity pays the hospitals and the doctors and the bills Uncle Sam. That's the literal definition of single payer. One payer pays the federal government Medicaid is more like fifty single payer since it's paid for by the federal government and the states and the states determine a lot about what Medicaid will cover. So whether you live live in a democratic state or republic one determine whether you get great benefits or they try to slap a work requirement on your cut your benefits now if you think about obamacare the biggest way away the affordable care act expanded. The number of people who had insurance was to put millions of Americans on Medicaid during the obamacare debate there was a proposal to allow people to by into a federal insurance program Medicare the public option but thanks to conservative. Damn indies like Joe Lieberman. That died the people who you keep hearing hate. The obamacare tend to be the individual buyers because their coverage is still expensive because the pool isn't as big as it could be. Since Republicans fought the individual mandate ended. Whose goal was to make the individual pool larger and most importantly healthier in order to get the cost down but the people who got Medicaid they tend to love obamacare because before obamacare they were among the nearly forty seven million people who had no insurance at all a number? That's now down to twenty seven million and that's why obamacare recipients tend tend to punish Republicans who try to take it away. Just ask Matt Bevin in Kentucky. Here's the question. What if the pool in Medicare was to grow from forty three million people to three hundred and seventeen million people basically the ultimate big group? I mean just like social security is basically tax-funded retirement Arab funds is a tax funded retirement fund that covers all three hundred and seventeen million Americans. What if there was a form of publicly funded medical insurance? That did the same thing. What would happen when we come back? I will discuss that question. which is brand named Medicare for all with an actual expert? Yes thank. Our plan is just not realistic but when you question it she talks about it as well. You just don't understand or your sound like a Republican which is which is a talking point. That is refused by the other party. Not By us if anyone wants wants to defend keeping those high profits for insurance companies and those high profits for drug companies and not making the top one percent pay a fair share in taxes and not making corporations pay a fair share in taxes than I think. They're running in the wrong. In Presidential Primary Democrats are having tonight fight about Medicare for all but do you actually know what they're fighting about briefly here are the facts The moderates like Biden and Koba Char say protect Obamacare from Republicans and keep improving. Buddha judge has called adding a public option. Like a second second Medicare that people can choose if they want to and Mayor Pete calls that Medicare for all who want it. Now there's option to which is Medicare for all all which is at the center of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren campaigns. That there's been much hand wringing over half the country would pay for something like this. Which is led Warren to release a detailed plan? Dan On just how she would fund universal single payer healthcare so how was your paycheck. Let's take a look okay. Here's your paycheck. You're doing really well under Medicare for all this line. Let's show this line. That shows your insurance premium out. Here we go with the swipe it. You don't go. Who Shows Stroz your insurance premiums there it is? That would actually go away as Rachel maddow would say poof. You can't see it here but your employer's contribution abuse also poof. So maybe your boss will pay that money to you instead as more salary one can hope and then this line swiping again. The one that shows there it is that shows your Medicare and Medicaid taxes. That stays the same under warranty plan. So would your Federal Income Tax because because Warren's plan find other ways to pay to put everyone on Medicare so that line also stays the same. That's why you hear her saying that your costs would go down more more healthcare more paycheck and attacks on billionaires to pay for it all which may be why some people are not offense. I've Paid over ten billion taxes. I paid more than anyone in taxes. But I'm glad to if I'd had to pay twenty billion that's fine but you know when you say I should pay one hundred billion okay. Then I'm starting to do a little math about leftover. Sorry I'm just kidding. Okay joining me house. Wendell Potter President of Business for Medicare for all okay. So Mr Potter's yeah. That was my sort of awkward way of trying to explain Medicare for all. But did I get that basically right. Essentially the line where you're paying for the insurance premiums would go away. The company's portion insurance teams would also go away so ineffective at least under warns plan. You you'd end up with more money. You would end up with more money in your paycheck. And it's one of the things that's been happening over time. And one of the reasons reasons why people are noticing. They're not getting very big raises. Is that the money that employers would ordinarily give us an raises maybe bonuses it's going to insurance companies instead one of the things that people realizes insurance companies don't really control healthcare cost and they don't really want to because his healthcare costs go up so premiums that means they get more money from us to convert a prophet so they have an incentive not to control healthcare costs The average premium for a family now is twenty thousand dollars for A policy that you get through the work place. I was looking at just a few weeks ago to what it was in nineteen ninety-three when the Clintons were trying to reform health reform. The health care system it was less some five hundred dollars. Now it's more than twenty thousand five hundred and if you think about it because we don't see the majority of the premium most of company is paying as you said instead of giving us more more paycheck. They're paying that premium behind the scenes. We just see that one line which is actually pretty high but I have a family bringing people in our plan so it's pretty high. It's so pretty high. But most people about seventy five seventy six hundred people still like that system like eighty three percent of people like Medicare. Can you explain. Why Medicare my explanation for it? In the previous blog was was it because Medicare has so many people in one pool it these sort of economies of scale make everything cheaper is that correct exactly right and one of the reasons why people are more or happy or happier on Medicare is because they get better service for one thing and they're coster typically lower on the private side. It's an entirely different picture. You have even the biggest insurance insurance companies like UNITED CIGNA and Humana. They used at work for. They're fairly big but they don't have anywhere close to the size of that pool and they don't have the ability to control healthcare costs. This is a consequence if you put all three hundred and seventeen million Americans on in one pool and then they bought Medicare admitted bought medical services. That way would would the cost of American health. Care go down. It would. And that's a very important point because a lot of the candidates talk about. We need to get to universal coverage which is an important goal and it was the the ultimate goal ten years ago when we saw the affordable care act being enacted but what Congress did not do then was really an ineffective way control healthcare costs. And it's been going up and up in ten years ago ago. We spent about two and a half trillion dollars on healthcare this year. It's over three and a half trillion dollars so that just shows you that. The current system is not controlling. Healthcare costs Medicare does has an exceedingly better job of controlling healthcare costs. I mean administrative cost of Medicare are far far lower to. Why are people? Then you think so afraid of the idea. Because I single payer just means what Medicare is just one pair but people get freaked out by. Why do you think that is get freaked out or because of the fear mongering campaign but I used to be a part of my job I used to be a part of the effort to scare people away from Medicare for all or from any kind of reforms that might have a detrimental effect on industry profits? We've done that or they. They've done that. It's been a continuing process for a long time. I've often said that what we're seeing. Now is the mother of all propaganda campaigns to scare people and people are afraid of change is generally. Yeah and we grew up with the system. It's something that we've been accustomed to. And as you noted a lot of what's going on is not too transparent and not too much aware of what's going in a Medicare for all system to pass. Could you still by private insurance like athletic kind of insurance you could. If it's for something that's not August it just extra stuff and they do that in the UK and Canada so it is The the the the point that the argument that health insurance companies would just drive and blow ways as not true. Yeah and my last question to you would be because people freaked out a little bit when Elizabeth Warren released the actual cost of our plan is the cause that she put forward less than what we're paying right now for me. Louis is it is less. It would be less. Moment takes place and over years it would cost us a lot less because it has price control mechanisms right right. It is really important. I think to get just the basics. Eighty six people so people understand what it is it. Isn't this amorphous thing universal healthcare. It's actually just watch your grandparents habits Medicare but you'd have to you have an it'd be better for you. You'd have more things covered and it will cost less. This improved and expanded Medicare not my last question to you then for because the care is still remember. I still have flashbacks to the hell. It was to pass that bill. It seems that a lot of ways doing healthcare politically is kind of suicidal. It's hard to do a do you think something. We'll we'll put aside the policies of whether it could pass. Could the same outcome be achieved by simply making improvements to the affordable. Care Act like adding a Medicare options Enderle affordable care act no ten years ago. I was an advocate of the public option. Because that was the best we can do. Yeah but the fundamental structure of our system is broken and flawed. It's collapsing. Yeah Yeah not build on that it is. It's time to put that on the to the shape of history began work anymore. I'll tell you why it having having a close up of the healthcare industry if there was just one system system and when you go to one hospital versus another it was the same system it would be a lot. More efficient definitely would add Wendell Potter you are the perfect person to talk about this. Thank you so much for taking joy thank you you and tomorrow and am joy. Kamala Harris will join the table and coming up next. I'll tell you who's afraid of Elizabeth Warren that next and I just said to Senator Warren on the way out Sunday. Congratulations so it's a nice talk but just let remind mind you. If my company hadn't been successful we wouldn't be here today so enough with stuff for New York City mayor and actual billionaire Michael Bloomberg Berg whose net worth is an estimated cool fifty two billion dollars. Foul paperwork this week. Setting up a potential White House bid he previously ruled out a campaign in March but something seems so changed since then I wonder what could be you may have heard some billionaires on TV TV recently crying without that to sent wealth tax. Joining me now. Philip Agnew organizers and national surrogate for Bernie Sanders and Korean jean-pierre cheap public affairs officer for move on Dot Org. MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR and author of the Great New book moving forward which we will be discussing later in the show. We're GONNA get into that later. But Philip Welcome to the show I wanna go to you on this. I I really love the opportunity to talk with Wendell powder on this. Because he is the expert and I don't know if you've got a chance to hear the previous two segments but I think one of the reasons that people get scared of Medicare for all is it. Sounds like a a whole new government system when they forget that the alday grandparents are on Medicare and are happy on Medicare. Do you think that the candidates including your candidate have done a good enough job. A big actually explaining Medicare for all actually is we've done an excellent job of explaining what it is everyday people know what it is it is lower cost than it. Has this healthcare that has been denied to them for generations. You know joy billionaires are going to do what billionaires do for the last forty or so years billionaires have participated dissipated in widespread election interference in American politics. They've owned the conversation. They've owned the discourse and in many times own candidates and so now especially in in the case of Senator Sanders who's building a movement of everyday people prepared to take on the billionaire class. Now they're coming out with things say this thing is too confusing. I think it's very clear we've made it very clear every single day where we talk about this issue and for people like Michael Bloomberg. He's saying if I can't buy them I'm going to join them and that's why he's entering into the race not out of any confusion because he's very clear that a campaign of everyday people that is sweeping the nation is soon prepared to take on his this class. And you know what's really seemed to spark this interest in Wall Street and getting involved in the election in one way or another I mean and you got mark Zuckerberg really cozying up to judge campaign because it's more of a moderate sort of Biden s kind of that does not want to fundamentally change the Healthcare System but also with Warren Elizabeth. Warren has attracted the eye of Saron of the rich folks on Wall Street including and the rich folks in including rich folks like Michael Bloomberg. They seem pretty dead set against this idea and they seem to be marshalling. The money behind and behind billionaire candidates seemingly because because of her yeah so joy first of all welcome back we have missed you them so happy. Happy to see you on the on. The telly Well joy there are about more than three hundred twenty million Americans and about six hundred billionaires in America I think we should be focusing on the three hundred twenty million Americans in the country and not worrying about what the six hundred billionaires care what their desire are and what they want. Because here's here's here's the bottom line. The bottom line is you have Americans in this country who work multiple jobs just to get by you. Were talking about healthcare system. You have healthcare system that makes money awful people getting sick. You have youth young people who can't who are carrying the burden of student loans and you have people who have who have like fifty thousand dollars a year make make fifty thousand dollars a year and carrying all the burn when you think about it was Warne's well tax basically what she's saying is people who have an asset of fifty million million dollars or more should pay their fair share. That's it that's all. Yeah because fifty thousand dollars. Can't they have the burden so pay your fair share. Yeah it's an argument that you know most people I think if you ask them should be people's assets tax multiple say yes sure of course the three hundreds of billionaires billionaires like no. Don't touch our money. My keep my Microsoft money. Let's Bloomberg in particular for just a second. We'll come back to you on this Philip. He's his approval ratings. Looked pretty good you. You know his overall approval rating in two thousand thirteen when he left as mayor was forty nine percent up forty percent down. He's doing better than Donald Trump. Among Black New Yorkers it was four hundred nine despite stop and among African Americans are lower thirty nine versus forty five because things like stop and Frisk. He's He's liberal on things like guns and climate change but on stop and Frisk not so liberal. So I wonder what you make of the idea that he would be seen as somebody who could even get the the Democratic nomination. Well you know I think it's laughable as you mentioned this is a mayor that provided over an administration that stopped and frisked every black Latino in poor person that they could this mayor who presided over a city that has transformed it from a place of neighborhoods and culture to a city of glass. There's a person who provided Presided over a city who clears COTY. Parking stood up against occupy Wall Street. And so really I think we welcome to the race because when Senator Sanders on TV are you talking about Millionaire seeking to buy our political process no one has to imagine what that person looks like because Michael Bloomberg. We'll be standing right there he. He is the antithesis of what this election is going to be about. This is a referendum on the one percent and he is representative of an welcome to the race because he'll be very clearly a lot of things that we're talking about. The issues of this country is race healthcare jobs. College is a person who is crafted. His city in his image and approval ratings are not people's lives are made worse and worse by a billionaire leading the city. And you know what's interesting Corinne is I think about have between Tom Style and Michael Bloomberg with all of their money. How much good could they do? How many voters could they register with the money that they're spending on a sort of what what couldn't be seen by as a vanity campaign? I am the answer. The answer is me. Look what the country needed me. It's all going to be out there but you know you think about what they could do. How many the senators Democratic senators could they? Could they help flip the Senate for the Democrats. They're both leaning toward the Democrats big issues like climate change in guns. Do you can can you conceive of why they're spending all this money to really to stop one woman really to Stop Elizabeth Warren from getting the nomination. 'cause they are fixated on her. Yeah I mean it seems like a vanity project project narcissism at its highest level. It doesn't make sense because it will be an uphill battle for Mike Bloomberg and it doesn't matter how much money you have just because you have millions and millions of dollars to spend on her campaign. Tens of millions of dollars. Hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean it's a smart strategy and we have to remember to. There was a poll that came out in Iowa back in March done by very good pollster one of the best in Iowa that said that Michael Bloomberg was one of the most unpopular popular candidates in the field and also right now folks. Democratic base are really happy with the people that they have. Nobody is pining over a billionaire. bilionaire getting into the ways. Nobody wants that. No one is asking for that. And also I actually think he's going to be hurting the moderate lane if he jumps in he's GonNa he's not GonNa take votes away. Hey from Warren or Bernie. That's not gonNA happen. Yeah so it seems more and more like a vanity project it seems also that he just like you said he he is he wants go after one person and he may not feel also he might be looking at the Biden campaign to. That's been a question out there too we do. We don't know because one of the reasons he didn't jump in back back in March was because Biden was in the race. Right it will fill a bed is a really important point because it feels like there is a sort of smelling of blood almost people. We'll see that Biden who might not be as strong as they thought he would be. So you're starting to see the rush of the moderates because they're seeing that if you combine the two most progressive candidates. It's they're doing better than even one on one. In some cases they're doing better than that. Maybe there's a fear that wo- the Progressive Wing is taking over here. We need to get somebody in there who can shore up Biden or replace them. Yeah well the rest of the country is beginning to recognize what everyday people have already known if you're talking to them that Joe Biden is not a strong candidate for president and I WANNA be clear. We're talking about attacking one person we're talking about. This is a campaign that says it's not about one person. It is about all of us. This and that is the true fear for billionaire a campaign that is building a movement of over a million people who are donating engage coming to events engage in the democratic credit process in a way that they never have. That's true fear of a billionaire is not one person. It's a person who says when I go to the White House. All of us get their fill of agnew show show we will definitely have any back and Korea. We will see you in our next hour. Thank you both very much. It coming up legendary filmmaker and activist. Rob Reiner joins super duper panel to discuss damning testimony against trump. And the Great Robert. Deniro will be here as well. You do not want to miss it more. After at the break no sense of indecency Sir at long last. Have you left no stance up. What did the president know and I began by telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency and if the cancer was not removed the president himself would be killed by the August six? PD be be warned against possible attacks in this country and I ask you whether you recall the title of that PD. I believe the title was Bin Laden Determined to attack inside the United States. Welcome back to enjoy public. Televised hearings have a way of gripping the nation but it will be impossible to remember every single word of what can amount to hundreds of hours of broadcast rather it is the moments the famous few words that continue to capture and punctuate some of the most dramatic moments in American history. Well it's time to bus popcorn because once again a public hearing is set to become must see TV as house. Democrats go public with their impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump next week and among the first to testify as someone who's been in the news a lot these days ambassador. Bill Taylor the top diplomat in Ukraine like many of the actors and the trump Ukraine scandal. Ambassador Taylor was largely unknown until recently when when leaked text messages between Taylor and a motley crew of trump associates revealed trump's attempt to leverage military aid and the promise of a White House meeting to pressure Ukraine to investigate a political rival Aka. Extortion Taylor who was the only one to push back on the plant texting Gordon Sunlen. The hotelier turned ambassador to the European Union quote. I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with political campaign. Taylor is now in a position to offer the most damning case against trump as indicated by the transcript released this week of his closed door testimony to house impeachment. Investigators the transcript that foreshadows the explosive account. We can expect to hear from the career diplomat on Wednesday in his testimony. Taylor confirms the attempted dirt for a shakedown testifying that trump directed officials to tie military aid to demand that Ukraine open an investigation into the Barista energy company. The Ukrainian Gas Company whose board of directors. Joe Biden's son joined in two thousand fourteen. The transcript Taylor told Congress quote that was my clear understanding security assistance. Money would not come. The president of Ukraine committed to pursue the investigation during questioning by house. Intelligence Committee Chair. Adam Schiff Taylor was asked if he was quote aware that quid pro quo literally means this for that. Ambassador Taylor responded I am in four days. The American public may finally here in real time time and on national television. That type of testimony that we've only seen in print and if history is any indication what we see and hear is going to change the course of American history once again joining me now is Timothy. O'Brien editor at Bloomberg opinion and author of trump nation. Maya Wiley of the new school dean over dollar host of the Overall a show on Sirius. Xm Barbara mcquade a former US attorney. Rob Reiner filmmaker activist and Co founder of the Committee to investigate Russia enjoys Vance Lance a former. US Attorney a super duper panel rob. I'm going to go to you on this. I because the reason that we started with that series of clips at the top is you know. People don't know who Bill Taylor is right but people also didn't know John Dean was when the Watergate hearings started so you start out with these unknown characters characters and there'll be something that they say that then sort of captures the entire thing. Give Democrats a little advice here on how to bring about those moments elements because what we've seen has been spent right sometimes. It's been strong and sometimes it's not been strong. How can they make this simple straightforward and easy to understand but also bring it home so people understand what they're dealing with? Well I think a lot of that is GONNA is GonNa rest on the the the questioners. I mean we're going to have a career professional prosecutors who are GonNa do the questioning and the way they point. Their questions will narrow the responses to get the kind of responses. They want so that you'll get those kind of sound bites and make it clear for the audience but I think that you know like you said nobody new John Dean before he testified. Nobody knows a Taylor or Admin or any of the people that are going to testify. But there's something different here than then happened in the past and here we have had. The president himself admitted to committing the crimes on national television. And that at this point has not moved the needle so I think we gotta be very careful about thinking that this public testimony money is going to break the door down because we at the time of Watergate. We didn't have a state run television Fox Fox Sinclair and so on. They're projecting completely different and in order to get those twenty senators or whomever to move. They need to feel their constituents and the only way they'll feel them is if they start to change in the information they're getting is is the wrong wrong information. Every one of the Republicans knows that the president has engaged in bribery and extortion. They all know it. The the only difference is their constituents are being fed a different narrative. And Somehow we got a breakthrough that and then all of this testimony Moni which we know to be true and we've seen it will land and have impact. Yeah let me go. Let me go to this because you talk to a lot of Fox News washers On your show and I mean but it seems to me that with something as grave as impeachment hearings even Fox has to carry them right. They're going to carry them this. This could be must see TV and once we netflix crime series about the trump family. This week will be a big week in that whole thing. Here's the thing about what can Democrats do it's all about framing. Don't call a quid pro quo call it. Extortion don't debate. Is that transcript or summary of the July twenty fifth phone call called a confession. It's trump's confession freely involuntary involuntary given. He admitted he wants reciprocity. He talked about aid. Can you do me a favor though and investigate the Biden's and even suggested using bill bar and apparatus the government to get that so you've extortion. You having the knitting it. I think one of the things that's not talked about this is about life and death. You had a hot war going on. La Times as quantified if I twenty five Ukrainians died in battle from July from when withheld the till October. Well I can't sit here and say. Donald trump withholding eight and July. 'cause one person so die another. Donald trump new withholding aid could risk the lives of Ukrainians but to help us twenty twenty campaign. He did not care because Donald Trump is is cruelly selfish and it's just about so Republicans respond to extortion questions frame it as extortion answer questions about the confession and the fact that Donald Trump would put people's lives at jeopardy and our security United States are not securities. Colonel Vitamin said. This is our security at risk for his reelection campaign. Let them defend that. We'll see timmy. Hey absolutely donald. Trump didn't seem to care what happened. You can't. He seems to have a hostility to Ukraine based on his loopy conspiracy theories that somehow Ukraine Ukraine was spiring to help Hillary Clinton lose. I'm not sure what it is. He thought they were doing so. He doesn't have a lot of empathy for Ukraine. But how do you think he's GonNa react to seeing the people of sterling character like this ambassador who's GonNa be the first to go up and smart to make him the first guy watching these people say he did it well you. Donald Trump is a performance artist at his core. He doesn't care about public policy. Doesn't care about the public. Good he cares about being center stage and he's profoundly where the power hour of television and he's profoundly where of how people can be influenced by others in front of a screen who have credibility and and not only these people have have credibility their military trump is prided on surrounding himself with military advisers. Sees them as Macho. He seems authoritative. And now those very same people we're going to go before the American public and say that the president of the United States not only was a participant. He was the ringleader of an extortion scheme. The goals of which were to smear political rival and to do a favor I think ultimately for Russia which was to weaken on crane so the national security threat is in the White House and and that's a story. I think it'll come out of this testimony from people who are essentially defining themselves as nonpartisan actors. They care about public policy. They care about civil service service. They they've spent years in this before. Trump came into the White House before Obama was in the White House. Yeah they made a career out of this and this got up ended by someone who was pursuing it. It was entirely self-serving. Yeah let me bring my sisters in law. Deans the Lord to people don't know that he's not just a funny guy and a comedian and a great guy. He's also a lawyer but our sisters in law. I WanNa get you guys into that is because I think for the Democrats it is like putting on a legal case this is this is the grand jury case right. This is where they're trying to find out if there's going to be an indictment that's it's like but to start with you first on this Maya Chris Hayes on his show last night made the point that like if you go back to Iran Contra. You didn't have Internet Ronald Reagan on the phone with the Ayatollah Khomeini saying pain. Save those arms to me. I'M GONNA get into the CONTRAS. If you had that he would have been a beach with trump. You have him on the phone and then he keeps saying read it. He keeps saying. Read me on the phone being guilty to call right so it's it is unusual. Kind of grand jury indictment but it's still basically is right. So how would you advise Democrats to play that out so I think what is so important and I agree with all all that Spin said before is the two words I think needs to get said over and over and over is personal. Gain personal is an all gain personal gain because whether it's bribery whether it's extortion abusive authority in all of the ways that this demonstrates a piece of authority including including selling our national security down the river for personal gain so there couple of key dates in this narrative that make that point that show why that call. That's a confession and one is may twenty third. We're going to hear from the witnesses like George can't let that that say the normal nonpartisan hardest experts were pulled out on May twenty third. That was the same day that the Department of Defense Certified to Congress that Ukraine had done sufficiently sufficiently on curbing corruption that they deserve the military aid. That takes away any defense. That this isn't personal. I'll gain right. Because part of why he saying read the transcript the transcript. I was all about corruption. Well know all about personal gain because the department defense on the same day that you that we now know from Psalm. l'an was the day he started getting the clear message had to deliver. You're on these. Investigations was the same day that the Department of Defense said now. We're good here. Good let me go to Barbara on this as well. Because so the the challenge here is that there are a lot of characters. There are a lot of people to remember. You got eleven eager. They're pretty memorable Juliani. You got a whole bunch of people but the the the case I think is fairly simple it is donald trump said clear Russia of what we all know. They didn't twenty sixteen clear them get Biden in trouble. That's it do that for me and then you can get the money that you're already supposed to have the what's is that a clear. I mean. That is pretty clear right right but there are ways it can get muddled if Democrats. Just start throwing witnesses out and people are getting confused. It is joy and this is a really important strategic point of keeping it simple as dean in my have talked about messaging is so important when I first started as a federal prosecutor I went to a training program at the Department of Justice that they have all all new prosecutors. Go Two and one of the things that I was taught is that because of all of the resources in the grand jury process. The government doesn't often lose cases because the evidence is strong strong. The government loses cases because the jury didn't understand and that's because cases can be very complex and complicated but the end of the day. They taught us really simplify. Start Your opening statement with this word with the sentence. This case is about blank personal gain extortion shoes. A simple word heard a simple theme for people to understand because if it gets very complicated than the party that has the burden of proof is going to lose because at the jury isn't satisfied that it's been met then then that means they can't return either a guilty verdict or in this case an impeachment articles so keeping messing simple. It is a simple scheme explaining it. In simple terms is essential to success. Yeah Joyce Right so Democrats have this challenge of trying to make this really. It's not a complicated store. It has a lot of characters I mean. A lot of people witnessed this. Donald trump literally committed the offence with a bunch of people on the phone. Not The smartest way to commit an offense but that's would and so the Democrats have that in favor right. They've got everything corroborates everything else. Everything kind of builds on everything else. But then you've got on the other side of the Republicans are saying that they're counter-strategy is going to be to try to call Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden and somehow get him to testify and and call the whistle blower who was not on the call. The one person they WANNA call that has a relation to this wasn't on the call just was told by people who were on the call. This bad they want to call that person. What do you make of that? counter-strategy the Republican strategy. Here is what you do. When when you really can't confront the substance of the evidence against you so they'll try to make it muddy they'll try to make it difficult to see the fat and as rob points? Tout trump is a showman. He knows how to play these situations hill distract. He'll come up with clever buzzwords the challenge that the Democrats face will be do exactly actly. What Maya and barb have already talked about to focus on the fact that trump was not conducting foreign policy was not trying to cure corruption in Ukraine? But but instead was out for his own personal gain for help with the man that he perceived as being the strongest opponent he would face in twenty twenty and his barbed says to to tell that simply because so many people in the country are at the point where they've tuned out. They feel like the president does terrible things but he's never held accountable and they're sort of it. They're breaking point. Democrats have to bring those people back in. They'll have the opportunity to do that. By putting up their strongest witnesses this week. Starting with embassador faster Taylor who makes the bribery and extortion absolutely clear. And then I suspect closing with colonel vend men who will tell the American people that based based on his years of service the president engaged in an abuse of all of our trust and put his own personal gain ahead of the country's national security and rob the the part about the Biden's is what pops the most I think for most people but I've come to you because the committee investigating Russian when you guys are focused on is Russia. This is also so about clearing Russia. I'm rereading the second half of the Muller Report and you will. The for the first half is on. That really is damning. On this point. This was also also about trying to get Russia a clean bill of health because that is weird. Donald trump seems obsessed with doing that. Yeah Well Speaker Pelosi said it perfectly. All roads lead to Russia because everything. That's being a looked at here. Has An antecedent back to two thousand sixteen and the election action there and it's all designed to benefit Putin. Everything here is designed to benefit Putin. But I want to say one thing I mean. We're talking about presenting the case and all that and we all know it's not a you know it's not a trial criminal trial it's a it's a political trial and so in order for this to be successful you've got to sway way the audience. which is the American public? And I would suggest and again I go back to the fact that everybody knows that trump including luding all republicans they know trump has engaged in bribery and extortion. We all know that he himself said it. It's now up to high look like like three or four people and it's McConnell is is on the fringe of that but it's Hannity is Laura. Ingram is Tucker Carlson. And maybe Kellyanne and Conway there has to be the surprise person coming forward when we heard John Dean or Butterfield during Watergate. Those were like Whoa. Hello we need that moment again to happen in order to swing those people who are supporting trump. So I don't know how that happens but I think we've got to find one person to come forward. That is not you know that we all know to say yes. This happened because we all know what happened. And even those people low it happened. Yeah maybe maybe it'll be John Bolton maybe it'd be anonymous or whoever anonymous is somebody somebody needs to come forward. Took to break the logjam here because we are in the most lawless presidency in the history of America. Yeah Bulletins Attorney has said that Bowl has information mation that hasn't been discussed in either testimony been looked at by the congress. He's the extent that another shoes going to drop here. It's really gotta show on my show. One quick thing Jordan look two thousand seventeen to eighteen weeks three hundred million dollars to the Ukraine. Why wasn't trump concern about corruption in two thousand seventeen eighty because Joe Biden is not running till two thousand nine hundred? And that's why I absolutely well an anonymous still out that we don't know who that is so we I have my own guess. I won't share those with the right now. Dean Timothy O'Brien Mayawati Barbara. mcquade Rob Reiner Joyce fans end rob looking very heather shaved the beard. Doing up part a MAC thing you look you look fantastic and you. I'm so I'm happy that you're feeling better. Thank you thank you really appreciate it. Okay well coming up thank you all very much. Love this panel. Robert Deniro will join us and I will ask what he thinks about the impeachment drama and the two great movie dramas that he's starring in and that is next and finally in a world where everyone thinking to my job. Check out the start. When I was a little boy and told people I was going to be median? Everyone left yeah. Well no one's laughing now my next guest the legendary Robert Deniro lights up at the screen in the blockbuster. New Movie Joker about Batmans arch enemy and one of the most infamous comic book villains ever invented in my new book. The man who sold America I compared Donald Trump to the joker writing that he seems ripped right out of that comic book Super Villain Universe and determined to revel in causing chaos. Another thing people compare trump to you will now be a gangster which brings me to another new movie. Starring Mr Deniro. It's called the Irishman Frank. Sheeran Eric under the contract management can only fire driver on very specific charges ever showplace so many moving violations. You drink on the job hit anybody job yeah. I don't think so. We don't have nothing to do. Now Is Academy Award winning actor Director and producer. Robert Deniro. I am trying not to speak out. It is so exciting to see you. Thank thank you for being here. I want to talk about the movie in a moment but I have to first start off by asking you because of all of the events that are happening. There's going to be live televised hearings for impeachment next week. You've been very tough on Donald Trump. What do you think? What do you think that impeachment could actually accomplish? Do you think that the American people at this point having lived through three years almost at this guy are actually soup. Still surprise. -able well I just think that he if we don't go through impeachment inquiry. We're letting him get away with something he can't get away he's just you just got to move forward and take chances tactically or strategically. Might it feels you know what happens. It'll give him more ammunition later but he has done something wrong he has to pay. Hey for that. He has to be put on notice pay for it. Even if the Republicans will not finally go through with impeaching him everybody else has gone on through the symbolic motions of he has to be held accountable period. And you want to talk about the two films that you're in and just sort of make a kind of a connection here you you know. Obviously you play the guy who the moment with the man who's becoming the joker the kind of pivotal moment where he fully embraces that sort of negative identity entity is with your character but he also is Egged on by other people to do the chaotic things that he's doing where people who are angry and feel disaffected and so they pushed him to keep doing more bad things. And then your new movie. In the Irishman this idea of donald trump sort of having a gangsterism around him of of behaving like a gangster or maybe behaving at the behest of gangsters like the leader of Russia. Those things do seem to tie to him right because it is. It's is curious to me why people follow him. I'm I am completely. I have no idea why they follow him. Because he's not even a good gangster he's he can't even keep his word about anything he's I think in the real gangster world he wouldn't last long he lashed long in his own little real real estate world where he's the boss because he's the boss and he heard it all that money and he's he's a fool but in the real world he who wouldn't last long that's my feeling. Yeah it's interesting because people seem to be afraid of him but it isn't clear to me why when you ask. Why are people afraid? They're like because he'll tweet at me. Yeah he what bothers me more. What concerns me more is that someone will come along this a lot? Worse Don trump. He's just a to He's done but when you get somebody who comes along who smart. Who knows how to work it and is more material and can be sympathetic? When they need to be sympathetic he has none of that? He has not one speck of sympathy empathy for anything or anybody. So he's just stupid to she doesn't know and in a way we're lucky in a certain way we're lucky because because we can see it so clearly but as I say I'm worried generation two-three from now this is going to happen again and he will be a bit of a teacher feature of what he did wrong. This other person will feel that they can do it this way. That's what really bothers me more. I want to ask you the question. I asked everyone that I interviewed for the first book that I just did and I asked everyone. What do you think the country looks like after trump? We have a lot of making up to do reparations to to do with countries because if we don't have a president who really can show that we're we're growing up and repairing sincerely the damage. That has been done personally. I think someone like Buddha judge would be a capable of doing that young but he's got all the qualifications even even Bloomberg I think he's a grownup he's run this city for three three terms. He's grown up and he knows so he's an executive he's he hasn't done everything perfectly but he's very very good. He'll get us out of this mess because we are in one because we owe it to the rest of the world to do the right thing and we're not going to do unless we can show them that we've we've got leadership not only in the next four years after twenty twenty but after four years after that and after that yeah as a fellow New Yorker I reached out to you for your support Mayor Bloomberg. No he has a little bit. We sort of touched on an he hasn't asked asked me for. We just talk because I wanted him at one point two two run I thought he should. I was disappointed that he finally didn't but I think he sees right now that he ask the jump in because he has to jump in. Are you concerned that the idea yet. Another billionaire coming in. And saying you'll say I mean that was trump's theme trump's not a billionaire he's a fake president he calls everything else fake because he knows he's fake it projects is a classic. I don't know what you call it. Everything that he says is that negative about other things. Other people is what he's saying about himself so he he's he's a loser he he is a genuine loser hand and get somebody who's real like Bloomberg who's worth I think over fifty billion or maybe a lot more and this guy he says he's worth three something billion billion. We don't even know if he's just a total huckster hustler. Yeah and he and I think one of the things that angers him probably the most people like you people from Hollywood which he craves to be a part of your world he craves to be a part of the world of the of the females of the of the people that are actors or athletes if he wants to be a part of your world and the rejection Shen from people like you I think is one of the thing that bugs in the most. How could you not want? I mean when I was in New York before before he was doing all we want to have anything to do with him. I mean I heard he's around. He wants to take a picture do nothing to do with him. He's a fool. Everybody knew that but I mean now he he'd call up the tabloids leads and say he's the agent he called Forbes magazine. That's crazy yeah and not bought it. Yeah absolutely last night before I go to the movie. What do you make Guiliani at at the I mean I you lost his mind I think he's he's what a shame because he had something going and he just prostituted himself to work with trump? Guys of how could he do that. I I have no understanding of. How could he was a guy who used to prosecute people the Rico Act this show on and now? He's part of a criminal family is. He's the Tom Hagen. It's an amazing turn for him. Let me talk about this movie. So the Irishman was just reading a little bit about it. One of the things that I think is fascinating and I did not realize you don't process it in your mind because you've been in so many incredible movies will be so many award winning winning winning films and you've been so hard for them you Deniro de Niro Pacino. Scorsese yourself Al Pacino and Scorsese had not work together in this way before. No we when we started doing this project Monday night talked about Al playing Hoffa and it was built. It'd be a great idea. So that's how that came about and Joe Patchy and so on is the Buffalo Lena character even Joe Patchy coming back because he hasn't been in a lot of films lately lately. That's pretty exciting. It was well it was the ideal situation that I felt. We felt if we could get it. Me Joe Al Mardi Directing and people people have been obsessing over this is on aging or aging. That people are talking about where they took you back in time. I guess you'd call aging Mardi sort of I think he made up the phrase youth of available considerable public. That's pretty cool and tell us a little bit about this story. Well it's about A. I mean what what happened. Just a little backstory. We had been working on another project for many years. He wanted to get something going. Finally we came up with something about an aging retired Hitman from the west coast so Mari was showing me Old Films Jan film in Black and white as looking for the style all that he wanted to do it in and I said well. I've got to read this book that I spoke with Eric Roth a few years about one I came out called. I heard Japan houses. And it's about a hitman and so on and maybe it'll be good for research and when I read it. I said Marty we got together. I said you gotta read this because I think this is probably more like what we would want to I do. Yeah I mean the idea that you know this the lives of these characters even touch on the Kennedy assassination and providing the guns that were used to kill Kennedy. I mean this is sort of expands beyond on just the sort of unique story that you're telling yeah had a lot of is have these characters like Hoffa even Joe Gallo and the Kennedy certain size historical size to it but a very not a small but a personal story about a guy who's loyal to both people. Oh who very powerful and the dilemma. That is in actually but to me said in a very real way I can just stop by the way. He wrote the book that the dialogue at all all the scenes and everything been some people said well. You know that's not really true. That's not how it happened. But as Mardi says it's it's a story that we tell title in our way and it's not it might not be accurate though. I personally think that there's a good chance it would be accurate and if we find out later that it was somebody else happened another way. That's great do another film that back possibly but it's okay. I'd like to find out what really happened. This isn't the way it did happen. Well I can wait to see it. It's at the Balasko here. In New York. The BALASKO was a theater theater. So this is a first for the Balasko gets over one hundred years old and it. It plays eight times a week. The way of play would play. It's called show. It's not anymore but it's another movie theaters around the city around the country. Then it'll be on a Netflix. Want Robert Deniro. It's so cool talking to you. Thank you so much for being here in the new film. The Irish is playing in select theaters as we just mentioned right. Now we'll be on Netflix. In on November twenty seven th and also go see joker it's so good as well the Republicans can you continue to hang everything on a ambassador. Volker hold on. We have Mark Meadows. Right here Congressman Meadows. Can we talk a lot so he. He's walking by right now. But Republicans are really struggling to defend the president. Okay great struggling okay. So congressman struggling anything. Oh okay because they're not struggling. Donald trump they serve a funny way of showing it they. They can't seem to find a singular narrative that stick so their defense keeps showy say evolving first White House Chief of Staff Mick. Mulvaney fumbled at a press. Briefing is a quid pro. We do that all the time with foreign policy. Admission blew up in their face. Republicans contri- to argue that since the quid pro quo didn't actually work. It's no big deal. I look at it this way. The aid is air and the investigations. It didn't happen so if there was a quid pro quo. It certainly wasn't very effective when I mean he tried to rob the bank. But it was closed. And then there's trump's golfing buddy and BFF senator Lindsey Graham Cram who so upset about the impeachment process. He can't even bear to read the transcripts of the closed door here. He's which is pretty much his job as a senator who will be part of the impeachment Richmond Jerry. I'm not gonNA read these groups. The whole process is a joke. I find the whole process to be a sham and I'm not gonNA legitimize it took not now. MSNBC political contributor David Jolly of four Republican guardsmen. WHO's no longer with the party David? I'm sorry I don't mean to laugh but really I'm so mad about the process. I refuse to read the evidence that I'm going to have to review as a juror. What is happening? It's one more shameful moment from shameless senator. What we're seeing from Lindsey Graham but consistent with all of the other arguments? No Republican argument will actually touch the fact that the president confess to bribing and extorting a foreign nation state for purposes of benefiting himself politically. And I think that's what we will see on throughout the hearings the public hearings. The question is not will. Will there be anything that changes the opinion of Republican members of Congress. But Will there be anything. That's so shifts public opinion that forces these Republican members to follow them to follow the voters. Because right now we we have no reason to expect leadership from Republicans but we can't expect them to follow if they find fealty fealty to a higher public opinion than their fealty to Donald Trump. Perhaps they'll shift but right now the political strategy joy this don't let the bass erode. Yeah that's it's it goes. If they let the bass road they're going to lose in two thousand twenty well in that to that very point. I got a peek at the RNC talking points that go out every week for their people who go out on television and the talking points for this week were authored by diamond. Silk True Story. This is a bit diamond linen. Silk are out there. This is just a witch hunt strategy bench. This strategy true. And I don't understand. And it's all all going after the whistle blower it's outing the whistle blower trying to out the person who was not on the call the whistleblower was not on the call. They've been corroborated now. That's not necessary necessary but it seems to be the strategy joy of you and I are talking about diamond and we bring the Niro back here in Tampa and listen to the viewers would much rather hear them than here talking about diamond and silk somebody to people who are intellectually vacuous but perfectly positioned to lead the trump impeachment impeachment defense because it is an intellectually vacuous defense. Look at the end of the day that the sad part here as we laugh about it is that in their fealty to a a a week and angry president these Republicans will be turning their back on their constituents on their children on the nation. They'll be leaving the constitution more shredded around the edges. It has been and I think what angers a lot of people in this moment. That certainly does me is these Republicans will sit in the Pews of their evangelical churches tomorrow professing a conviction conviction to right and wrong but they'll turn left and right to their fellow parishioners and say yeah but it doesn't apply to people on our team because at the end of the day what the president did was wrong and none of these arguments arguments approach the positive moment when Donald Trump on that phone call. Ask for an investigation into his political opponent. That is the bank robber holding the gun at the teller saying give me your money and any of the arguments. The latest argument that perhaps all this stopped at the Mulvaney Giuliani level that the president was not involved in the orchestration. And this attempt yes it was because he executed the bribery and extortion on that phone. Call you can't get away from it. And so Republicans are going to lose the impeachment. Vote in the house. The question is are there enough. Senators to stand up for for the country when they're faced with whether or not to convict or not. Yeah very well said it's thuggish. It's it's thuggish politics and we'll see if republicans want to wrap themselves around that for another year or so. David Jolly thank you so much always great to talk to you. Thank you thank you coming up I I will tell you about the biggest. Losers of Tuesday's elections that America is is in crisis behind me as a scene of another mass shooting. Erica is a nation in mourning shooting rampage in Virginia out claimed at least twenty two lives but when they had had a chance to act on gun reform Virginia Republicans ran away. Every member of the Virginia legislature is up for reelection. This November November Virginian support commonsense gun reform. We deserve legislators who do to vote November fifth that political ad by the giffords Gifford's Pat was part of a massive push in Virginia this election cycle which resulted in gun control groups outspending the NRA get this by eight to one in their own backyard. That spending has been credited with helping. Democrats gained full control of the Virginia government. Who the first time in more than two decades data shows the NRA spent a little more than three hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars? The giffords pack three hundred thousand dollars in every town for Gun Safety Action Fund and the organization's Victory Fund spent a whopping two point. Five million. Join me now. Shannon Watts founder of MOMS demand action for Gunston America congratulations. That was a huge win in Virginia. And I think it's it's particularly important because as somebody who lives in New York. Virginia is like the supply chain for a lot of the guns that wind up in cities. Like this one. That's right this was important for three reasons first of all we beat the NRA in their own backyard second is you referenced. Virginia is really the source of so many crime guns in Dr Countries Iron Pipeline which is essentially the I ninety five quarter and the third reason is that this will point twenty twenty candidates in the right direction. Any candidate who takes takes their cues from the gun lobby was sent a very strong message this week and now we will take the gun. Lobby's weaknesses and turn those into winds up and down the ballot in two thousand twenty. Yeah I think in Kentucky sent the message very clearly don't come for obamacare people like having health care and being met being Matt Bevin and threatening to take it away. That's GonNa make you unpopular. I think in Virginia the message was pretty clear. Americans want sane commonsense gun reform all the polls show it but you guys actually showed you know that. It's just a myth that you can't win running openly on reform that's right post-election polling showed us that this was actually the most important issue the issue of gun safety to swing district voters Those are obviously the voters that are very important to Donald Trump But also by two one margin. The voters in Virginia in those swing districts. Restricts voted for candidates who made gun cents a priority in their campaign so this is a winning issue we showed that definitive definitively in the election. And now we will take those winds and replicate them in the twenty twenty election up and down. The ballot in state and federal races works out of the race. He was very sincere and very passionate on gun. Reform people said. Oh that just shows that speaking about gun reform is bad. But now you've got Michael Bloomberg New York billionaire who's very openly been supporting with his with his lots and lots of money a gun. Reform activity is now jumping into the race. Are we past this point where people can pretend that saying you want to reform the system that lets anybody who wants one get an Ar fifteen twenty four thousand of them. We passed that argument about whether that is a bad thing to do in an election year. Yes yes this used to be a third rail issue. It's now not only not polarizing it's getting voters to the polls. We showed that in two thousand eighteen our organization outspent and outmaneuvered. The the gun lobby. In fact we flipped seven state legislatures to begun since majorities. We've already gone into many of those in past stronger gun laws. We elected over a thousand guns since candidates across the country. Now we have this huge win in Virginia. We know we will pass stronger gun laws probably in January and so we will take all of this momentum and we will show candidates that the NRA's agenda is toxic and that it actually hurts candidates who are doing their bidding and that's a watershed moment. In American politics were every Democratic candidate compete to see who can be the best on this issue. So I'm competent. We will elect a gun. Since president and I'm confident that we will flip state legislatures to begun since majorities again. What other states have you got on your radar? We have a lot of states on our radar. You know. We're still planning twenty twenty. Don't forget that January's beginning of state legislative just slative sessions all across the country. So we'll be showing up to pass good laws and stop bad laws But going into twenty twenty you know. They're they're racist like in Colorado where this issue will be pivotal and I would ask everyone. Who's listening if you WANNA get involved in this issue? Just text the word ready to six four four three three. You can join moms demand action. We're not just MOMS MOMS. Were mothers and others were also the largest gun violence prevention organization this country and we are going to be at the forefront of all the upcoming elections unday Shannon Watts. Congratulations guys. Did the a huge job there in Virginia. And Hey the era may actually be a beneficiary of women could actually be ratified. Thanks to you guys and a lot of other great people who did a lot of work thank you so much thank you thank you and coming up we will tell you the story and working class American heroin. That is next in our good friend. Choline appear is not just one of our favorite guests. She's also the author of an amazing new. Memoir are moving forward a story of hope hard work in the promise of America which tells the story of her. Humble beginnings is the daughter of haitian-born parents and our professional rise from local local politics to the Obama White House and back with me to discuss her new book is courageous. Appear Book Launch Book Book Lunch. Go back to me I can show you. This is the book. The picture pulled my super q the picture. I took green congratulations on the book. I know you've been running running running running things we're gonNA promote what you're going to do tonight for the book. But before I jump into the book I do have to ask. I must ask you a couple of political questions because you're also our political guru. Let's let's start with. We just spoke with the MOMS demand. Action Leader Shannon about what they did in Virginia. But can we talk a little bit about Kentucky. I WanNa Talk Kentucky committed. Not Just because I am a Kentucky Colonel which I am and that is true Matt Bevin actually signed my Kentucky Colonel Proclamation but Kentucky's always have one too. Are you correct. Yes yes heard. Only forgotten about that. We're girdles yes. Yeah Yeah Yeah Kentucky colonels just chopping it up talking about politics. Do you think as I do that. The message sent to Democrats large was number one cares popular defending it copier. Because obviously obviously Andy Bashir's father is the one who created the connect version of obamacare. Trying to take it away is what Matt Bevin got taken away because of but also candidates matter because anybody was actually a really great candidate with a really great surname Gregory. You're exactly right. He was a great candidate with a great message and Bevan also was incredibly unpopular. Like you were alluding to what he was trying to do with obamacare in the state and he also did something else joy he he. He basically became Trumpian he. He turned that race. This Bevan the Republican in the race into a nationalized it. He even had a adds up about impeachment. Teach meant he made it incredibly Trumpian in and put trumpism on the ballot and so I do think it was also a referendum on Donald Donald trump who went into the state a state that Donald Trump won by thirty points in two thousand sixteen and it should send a loud message not only for twenty me twenty for republicans but also for impeachment. I mean I think that this plays into power. Howard Republican in the Senate and someone like Mitch McConnell? Oh who is from Kentucky the Senator From Kentucky how how are they really going to start thinking about once once. The House passes impeachment. We're pretty much sure that's going to happen. And it lands in the Senate side. So that's part of the conversation to that came out for me in Kentucky. Yeah and I. I've been wanting to ask you this if this is why I need to be at work because that'll like I'll just text the questions anyway but I was GonNa ask you anyway Comma Harris. We're going to have combo hair is on tomorrow. I'm really excited to talk to her. She to me has had two of the best political weeks in her campaign. Eight other than her launch. What do you think the challenge is in terms of her not being able to rise quicker in the polls or get more overt support particularly from black women? And you know it's something that we all talk about in in our in our little world all the time like what is happening and I think it's a bunch of things like the the beginning for sure there was the the name. Id you had Biden and Bernie who had big huge name. ID's Biden for being the number two to Clearly Obama and he being known for some time Bernie ran in two thousand sixteen is basically been in the national sphere for the last four years. And when you have that it's hard hard to break in and I think too. We are in a different time. Where when we're when you look at the polling and you see that people really want to beat Donald Trump I think thank you have voters are there who are who are practical and they are thinking? This is the way we want to be. We don't want to take a chance. We don't want to be historic. I think that's part of it. Yeah and so. They are looking at vitamin and thinking. This is how we beat Donald Trump. I think that's part of it and there's a long other long list of other things that I can go into anything. That's kind the top of the thinking for many voters. Let's go into your book. I WanNa read this a little a little bit of it and this is on President Obama because a lot of people know you as I say the woman behind the President Obama's election and this is the news then the news hit us listening to president elect Obama's acceptance speech delivered almost exactly midnight. It was a total out of body experience for me. I'd never felt such a deep sense of accomplishment on a personal level or sense of hope or unabashed joy for the country. That's part of your book. Can you you describe not just your reaction to this. First Black President being elected and being a part of that. But how did your parents react. How did they react a first meeting and being in the White House give us? That's yeah that's a good question because I actually talk about that in the book so my parents is. I mentioned are from from Haiti and they grew up in a dictatorship. So when I when I this told them that I was gonna go into politics. They were horrified. They were they were like. We don't understand why you're doing that. Why not become a doctor like we want you to become a doctor and so they were? They didn't understand what that looked like. And what that would mean and also I was. I was when I worked on the on the national presidential campaign. I was flying all over the country sleeping on people's couches living here for a weekly and there for six months. Whatever it was and it wasn't until bomber went one and I told them? Hey I'm going to go into into the White House I'm GonNa go work for the first black president that's when they were like. Oh this is wonderful and they were really proud incredibly happy that that's what I was going to do. You and I have this picture of when my mom. I met President Obama and it's kind of funny because she's so in love with Barack Obama that she is in the picture she's standing there with Michelle Obama and Barack Obama and she is all over walk on the other side because she's like this is my guy and it was really funny. I was a little embarrassed I but it was It was really fun they are. They were incredibly proud Understand immigrant family. They came for the the you know the elusive American dream. They still live check to check and for their daughter to have ended up in the White House and a lot of these. A lot of people have these types of immigrant story for their their child to have succeeded in the way that that we do in the way that I did was there just so incredibly proud so even though they may they may not have the million dollars or the the big house I am the American Dream I actually fulfilled what it is that they had won it for me when they came to this country and you tell that story beautifully in moving four. This is the book everyone should pick it up. You can get the book you can get the book. Get both And you're going to be talking about it today. DC friends. I want to let everybody know that you you in Valerie. Jarrett a great discussion and a book signing with Corinne hosted by former Obama at Administrative Valerie Jarrett that sounded six politics and prose right and tonight at six yeah. I'm very honored to have the amazing Valerie. 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"Playoffs as we know the packers have a big one with the forty niners who are leading the way right now with that home field advantage. So that's a huge game for home field advantage and that would be a huge notch in the Green Bay packers belt if they could get that victory over the forty niners moving forward and thinking about out home field advantage so Carson Wentz man. Where are you on him? Has he taken a step backwards. In your opinion I think he has take a step back a little bit. I mean let. Let's say that he's he's had two major injury problems with that news though That that always plays a part in Young quarterbacks development so and then you know like you said I mean he's had some of his weapon not available to him so you're only as good as the weapons you have around you and if you can stay healthy that obviously that houses well but I do think he's he's taken kind of step back and you know people in Philly maybe asking themselves you know. Why did he get rid of Nick? Foles you know we're we're you. You know big stuff nick when we need them now. Granted naked been you know. He's been hurt this year. But that's not a guarantee betting what I got hurt to playing with billy and all kinds of things but I think there is the some questioning of Carson Wentz get get be here for the next ten years type of thing. Yeah and you know what. It's a good question to have obviously With what they did with Nick foles guy came in and one and to be quite honest with you. I don't think they've really recovered from that. We've talked about other teams teams not recovering Arizona cardinals and they got destroyed by Carolina or Atlanta when they got their big lead taken away from them in the Super Vol- by the New England patriots. Certain things you just don't recover or respond well from and I don't think that the Philadelphia Eagles have really ever recovered from Nick. Foles to be honest with you. I mean one could argue that he had that team running a little bit better than Carson Wentz and. I'm not taking anything away from Carson Wentz. Because before he got injured that season Mike he was having himself an MVP like season. Everybody's talking about this guy coming from a small school this and that and the other but I don't think he's been the same guy ever since that injury do you. which now and it's and it's the type of injury you know this as well that it? It's hard to recover from so it's one of those things that You know getting completely sweetly back and feeling completely confident that need an mobile is is a tough thing to come back from so You know look Seattle is is one of those teams. I mean there are no scrub there. Absolutely no scrubs Russell Wilson Paul Strang's Phil wages as a really tough really tough home game today and you know kind of getting ahead of myself here but I think the I don't pull that out now I know you you do. I know you like them. Obviously we'll go through our picks in that final segment next segment. I do want to talk a little bit about Dak Prescott. Tom Brady Dak actress. God has been really good. People are always really critical on this guy. Tom Brady hasn't been so good but I think when push comes to shove. We know that Tom Brady can get it done on. So we'll talk about that a bunch of other things as well. Keep a close everybody. He's Mike Wilson Andy Dwarf. It is the door sports weekend edition. We'll be right back. League for the goal of the one full funding that's a direct snap goes to covenant gives it off to the toy forms. Talk text the state. See this. Is this door funds for him. Attention business owners owners. Are you struggling while waiting for your customers to pay on their net thirty sixty or ninety day invoices can't get a business. Loan have no equity bad credit or or maybe no credit at all. Then you need to call Amerifactors right now. AMERIFACTORS will give you cash for your invoices. 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I did say that I wanted to talk to you a little bit about Dak Prescott Prescott and Tom Brady and we'll get into some other issues before we get our picks out there in the last segment but a lot of people dog DAK Prescott weakened and week Out and say that this guy is not capable and can't lead and this and that and the other but far as I know man he's leading the league in passing yards and that offense of the Dallas cowboys is relatively explosive. And why the hell not you gotTa Zico. Ellie you got Amari Cooper you got other wide receivers Randall Cobb starting to come into his his own the last couple few weeks. Well Tom Brady on. The other side. Hasn't looked all that great man. I'm serious but at the same time. It's Tom Brady Eighty. I'm never going to question what Tom Brady does. And I know that this guy has six super bowl rings in when it matters and counts. This guy is going to make the right play more often the not. But give me your thoughts Dak Prescott and the season. He's having. Give me your thoughts on Tom. Brady and the season that the Patriots are having nine in one I. It's a little bit of smoke and mirrors but at the same time it's the New England Patriots Man. No I absolutely agree. It's we're talking about the goat. Oh Okay we're we're we're talking about Tom. Brady is working on his way out. Six range working on seven And so you know if there is a downfall a little bit or regression Very part of the season I don't I don't sound the alarm bells or anything like that because we know what New England going to bring during the playoffs and just you know you just golf past experience with them. In the moment that you doubt Tom Brady is the mullet that Tom Brady stumps out. And just Kinda Kinda winks at you just goes. You don't know what you're talking about Dak Prescott on the other hand. Give the man. Hey this guy is more than to me more than burned the next contract. I don't know what Jerry Jones Jones is waiting for You know they're going to have to pay Amari Cooper as well So so get. These guys paid The other thing I'll say with Daqing it just tack to me that just if you just want a guy to go out and and and ball for Ya and make the right decisions and and be one of those quarterbacks that you don't have to worry about being on the five o'clock news and all those kind of things doctor guy and in Dacca's done everything that he's been asked to do do Intense on so bottom line with that is. He's a good quality quarterback and paid a man the money that he is worse. Look my problem is definitely not with that Prescott. I think the guy is a really good quarterback. I've liked him since he came in and obviously took over for Tony. Romo what. I A question with the Dallas cowboys is. WHO's leading them? Obviously Garrett and I'm not sold on Jason Garrett as far as the head coach goes and I think that ultimately not that. That's the big decision that Jerry Jones needs to make moving forward. I agree one hundred percent with you. You GotTa Pay Dak Prescott. You GotTa Pay Amari Cooper. You've already already paid as equal Elliott and with that. Being said Ezekiel Elliott has kind of underperform. This season so Dak Prescott is absolutely earning his money. He is my point. Let's get this here as well because in the next segment like I said we like to go through every game and give our picks and analysis Green Bay packers forty niners. There's you got Aaron Rodgers. Who quietly having another productive season to be quite honest with you and Aaron Jones at a lot to do with that Eleven touchdowns for that guy you can use them in and out of the backfield you can catch passes for your Davante. Adams hasn't been on the field so other guys have had to step up a little. You Bet Jimmy G. Aaron Rodgers. How do you stand on these guys? Man I look Aaron. Rodgers speaks for himself. I mean what he's done what he has accomplished in this league. Granted you and I talked about as a few times. You only have one championship. You have one super bowl. Well you know what. That's one more super bowl than Dan. Marino Marina one of my favorites of all time. So you know with that being said you got the next kind of up and comer I believe in Jimmy Garoppolo and and and moreover with San Francisco is that they have a defense back in just flat out disrupt anything. You're trying to do that. Defensive Line would have both All sorts of havoc in pressure on the opposing quarterback I think this I think this could be the game of the the the Green Bay San Francisco game. I think it's GonNa be. I think it's going to be a really fun game. Watch you've got two. Good quarterback can great quarterbacks. You got you. You got a great defense in San Francisco So there there's something going to happen give today. We will see what happens. I've been impressed. Impressed with Jimmy G.. I gotTa tell you. I mean games where he's had to step up and show up. He has had four touchdown game against the cardinals salons. No He's had a four touchdown game against the cardinals twice so he did. It wants here. He did it once there he he's to me he's shown that he can make the place he he can make the throws he does have a really quality receiver Emmanuel Sanders. I don't know if he's going to be able to go for him or not. I believe he is questionable So that that'll title obviously play a big factor but he does kittles back and I love killed. I can really really make a huge impact on the game running game they do with no name. Guys Coleman Breda I don't know if breed is going to be on the field I know he's questionable as well so injuries will play a little bit of a factor The forty niners are only a three point favorite but with that being said money is heavy on the forty niners today. So if you're a gambling man maybe maybe take the packers on that women because usually when the money's on one side you go the other direction but I I really do like the forty niners a lot. I think there are really quality football team. That defense really gets after it. I think that that's going to be tough for Aaron Rodgers. Those guys to figure out that defense a little bit but I. What can you say to really good quarterbacks like you said what are your feelings on the browns after what happened with them now? What are your feelings on the steelers with after the whole ordeal that happened within those two teams will all work? I will work in reverse first order and so I'll talk about the first You know United Talks about that. This may be my family. The head coach Pittsburgh steelers his best coaching job. He's done while he's there he doesn't have the killer Bee Big Band is out with injury all year. Then they you you know they got rid of. They got rid of Levy on Bell So for what Tom has done to get them to. Five hundred And in the playoff is nothing short of remarkable for that squad. Now you know not having marquees pouncing I think for the next couple of games. It's GonNa hurt that. That guy is a dude as I like to say he's not a Guy Dude and he brings a lot of attitude. You'd certainly you could see in his reaction. The Mile Garrett's situation hasn't night but I think that's going to hurt him just a little bit but let's say they're playing the bungles if they're in Cincinnati. I think You know Pittsburgh should come out on top of that. But I think they're gonNA be okay concert considering what happened against Cleveland Cleveland. They get to play the. JV Scott Squad. That is known as the Miami Dolphins I think they're going going to be okay today but moving forward they got. They got games against Pittsburgh coming up games against the Ravens. They got some teams that they can lose two and having having myles Garrett who is a good defensive end and get pressure on the quarterback you ever see the guy with without his shirt on holy smokes. I mean guys like trickled out of granite. That that's going to hurt and then you have look you have the up and down play of of the offense That goes I. It's just one of those things where you don't know which was offense is going to show up. And then you know you were mentioning the the weak spot without might be Jason Daryl. I think the weeks loud Cleveland Fred. Kitchen's guy he's learning on the job he's learning on the fly and it's just not a good mix with with what they they have on now with what they have personnel. I don't want to get this in here real quickly to Mitchell trubisky. We'll be starting for the Chicago. Bears your thoughts about him. I know he's regressed a little bit as well but is it him. Is it Nagy. Is it a combination of the two. What's going wrong for affairs? I'm just going to say real quick that it's a it's a combination of two He's regretted Nagy's Kinda got conservative with play calling. Oh him about play on the field as well and I don't think he has all that many weapons Allen Robinson only has really good wide receiver learned. I don't know man. They got rid of Jordan Howard as the running back so some things that have happened there to anyways I do know the music got. Take that pause for the cause who come back. We'll do our analysis of each every game. Keep a close everybody. Mike Wilson Andy. Dorf is the Dwarf on sports we can addition Brady at work with white to its three two two clinic. Gronkowski in a triangle with Hogan Natalie arrives ready left the Ford extending that hands with at the line takes had high snap against the three-man rush. He loves a pro left for other. WHO's the the door font? 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The heroes of the sixties like the game itself seem larger than life size. But what you listen to pass the ball with his field we go to school stanford you to work out of the guy that's got carry on his right Matthew Leans in. Here's there's the snap Matt. He's got it pocket hole mackey. Books got a man. Cutting Day kimberly touchdown Detroit lions nine yards on the connection in the minds of extended their lead or listening to door phone sports. Here on your favorite. Now here's Andy goes all righty everybody body. Welcome back. Mike Wilson Andy Door of getting it through another door filed sportsweek ended. And by the way you can always catch me late night doing the sports overnight tonight America. NFL rewind this week obviously we twelve of the NFL Really WanNa start at at ten PM Pacific Standard Time. We go into the wee hours of the night or the morning. I have no idea what time it is for you. I just know I'm doing the. NFL rewind on sports overnight. America which starts again again like I said at ten P. M. Pacific Standard Time for me Mike. At this time we always go through all of the Games for the NFL and this week is going to be no different. My friend look a lot of good games. Let's be honest a lot of good games. But we'll start out with the buccaneers. And the Falcons Falcons Elkins found something over the past few weeks Mike. The defense has stepped up. Mattias is starting to throw the ball over better receivers or making plays his book. And here's their their their up and down there kind of disaster Be a the the quarterback whisper not having the greatest success with Jameis Winston however Jameis Winston does have a bunch a yards man. He he's right up there with the league leaders but the results on the field. Not that great. I like the Falcons. I think they get it done. Could be a touchdown or more just because the defense is really stepped up for them as of late. All right right so you took all my talking points for this game. That's that's great one to the next thing here. Yeah Yeah I think Atlanta GonNa win the game I'm GonNa actually put a score on this Just kind of based on what we're talking about yesterday or I'm GonNa go Eddie. Tampa Bay seventeen. Wow Okay so we're both on the same page. I think that that's that's a decent call. BRONCOS RONCO is at the bills I mean. Look this is all about Josh Allen and the pills and old man Frank Gore. If I'm not mistaken he's got an opportunity. Put put themselves even higher up in the record books with a few more yards Speaking rush for those few more ers John Brown very capable wide receiver for Josh Allen. I like the bills and I think the bills can run away with this one man. This could be a double digit victory for the bills. In my humble opinion okay again taking all the talking points away for the next thing. Well you can look at. I'm great minds thinking like I mean that's basically what it is it's the beautiful people talking But the I think the bills you run away. It is Josh Allen. They're seven three and they're playing good ball Cut You haven't seen in buffalo in a long time so I'm GonNa go with Buffalo. I'M GONNA put score on on this. I think it's GonNa be a Buffalo's GonNa put some serious points on the board. I'm GONNA do a forty five to twenty three type of move For Wow interesting. Giants playing the bears like I said earlier. Trubisky does get the start for these guys The giants are just a disaster. Quite frankly they don't know if they should be playing saquon Barkley if he shouldn't be playing because obviously they're out of things as far as the playoffs goes so de risk guy the risk in the future Daniel Jones up and down like a roller coaster. I gotTa like the bears in this one for some odd reason. Their defense should should be the difference. If you ask me Mike. Yeah I think the defense is going to rain pretty today and Chicago. New York is just. They are just an unmitigated disaster though the red headed stepchild right now. They don't know what to do No but I I think Chicago winter touchdown so speaking of red headed stepchild. That's a great segue. I have no idea but isn't of these guys now. Look I happen to think that both of these guys are red heads in one of them is not starting winning anymore. That's Andy Dalton. The red headed flame thrower them. Now you got Ryan Finley the rookie. Who's obviously from our neck neck of the woods? Here in Phoenix Arizona played high school football peavy highschool then goes on to play at NC state. Welcome to the NFL. You're on a team. That's Owen ten. You you got the steelers coming in after the chaos that they had I think they rally behind them quite frankly and Mason Rudolph and the guys they go get the victory. I like the steelers man and I. I think that they come out. And they're just they're ready to play so found the bengals. I'm kind of worried man. No I am if I'm the Bengals but I've been worrying about stuff all season. 'cause you know they just are just Just Confetti Pittsburgh goes in there. They put their foot down early and put their foot down often and I think the blowout browns in dolphins wins not much to really say. I think you hit on earlier. You know you call them The red headed stepchild of the of the NFL. And that's the the dolphins we're talking about out and I think this is a good opportunity for the browns to get a victory and Kinda like cooler heads prevail again after the chaos that myles Garrett presented Zan had no reason for it in my humble opinion. Eight seconds left in that game absolutely should never have happened but with that being said I think the browns do get a victory victory. No I think the browns get a victory as much as a result fans I am. I have to face up in reality take vitamins Cleveland's better. They better personnel. That quarterback all that kind of stuff so I think I think Cleveland when Panthers and Saints is a division game. Obviously the panthers need to win man. They've they've made up and down with Kyle Allen. It started started out pretty good. But it's kind of been up and down since the quickstart Christian McCaffrey. We know that he brings to the table. Michael Thomas on the other side Alvin Kamara Mary. We know that those guys bring to the table. Drew brees a little bit of question about whether things running veteran not with him or Teddy Bridgewater. You and I both know that if drew brees is healthy. That's the guy they're gonna go with so it doesn't make any difference but the future looks bright for them at that position to be quite frank. I think that the saints win this one. But I think it's a lot closer than the experts predict. And they're predicting a ten point victory or at least. That's what the Santer favored by. I think the Panthers Planning Pretty Pretty tightly and I think this is a close game could come down to. Who has the ball last? But I do like to say. It's I think they win at home. No I do I do too. I I just think that's super dominant such a tough place to play And with you know McCaffrey. I mean they're going to stack the box again. Then we're GONNA key on on him all game. The Saints Defense is so you know I think it Saint's Day with I. I I just think it's it's Kinda blow out the super okay. Okay raiders and jets. Raiders have been a little bit of a surprise if he asked me obviously secede right now in the AFC play offs and and the jets. They've struggled SAM. darnold sees ghosts. Who knows what the heck you seeing on a weekly basis but every now and then he sees ghosts and anybody? uh-huh sees ghosts. I I can't I can't bet on them. So I like. Derek Carr like the raiders. I think they win. They keep the playoff hopes alive for those guys. So I like the raiders going on the road to win all raiders all day and and I think Jon Gruden is starting to make some people regret what they said you know l. last year year before when he took over in traded Amari Cooper and you know the the other guy and it had a nice day that Raider nation nations kind of make all come back here. So I'm GonNa go with the raiders. Yeah if if you tell me you're seeing ghosts and you know I got a reality. TV Show where they go on. So you can start quarterback team. So it's raiders all the other guy by the way Khalil Mack. He's with the Chicago Williams now. seahawks and Eagles going out. We talked a lot about this. Russell Wilson Carson Wentz a pretty good battle Carson has taken a little bit of a step back Russell Russell. That's an MVP caliber guy year in and year out. I like the Eagles. I think they just need the game more so I'm going to eagles. I thought I liked the eagles last last week. They let me down against the Patriots. I don't think they let me down against the SEAHAWKS. They win a tough game and they keep themselves in the division race with the cowboys. No I'M GONNA go with the North West team in Seattle just really like Russell Wilson. What he's been able to do that team? Yeah he he may have some better weapons around him that you know that not all of them. In the way it goes so brought the seahawks game lions and Redskins. I like the Lions. I mean no. No mattie staffer driscoll will get the start again Stafford's out and if I'm them I just keep them out the rest of the year but this is not one of the better games. I'm GonNa take the lions because the the young quarterback asking for the redskins go ahead now. You can't take that. Nobody in the right mind is going to be able to take a redskins. They're gonNA take the lions and I think it's going to be that all that close In Washington just bad dwayne Athens's you know he's a rookie dealing with not a lot of weapons at his disposal and a new coach. You know I mean it's it's just a disaster Washington wines. When the I agree one hundred percent all right next game Jaguars Titans and I like Tennessee? Man I don't know the Jaguars have falls back in an expert. I'M GONNA say Titans tight one at home now I I absolutely agree. I think the titans to get it down and like you said on our local show here in Phoenix They may have found something with Tannehill which is kind of ironic to me But Tennessee is just a better club that cowboys and patriots. Man Like we were talking about Dak Prescott can he step Tom Brady. He hasn't been that great but at the end of the day man. This is one of those marquee match ups. I like the Patriots to sound the cowboys in their fans. Once again so I'm taking the Patriots at home. I'm going to take the patriots as well at the same time. You know. Super Bowl champion. Tom Brady Eighty and yeah it would be nice to your doubt cowboy fan boys. Just be real silent today. Yeah packers forty niners again. Another great match. That's a Sunday nighter. Rogers and the boys will go to Santa Clara California Levi Stadium and try to get a victory over a really good forty nine or team. MM-HMM I actually liked the forty niners I gotta against my Green Bay packers and usually when I do that. That's actually a good thing so probably the packers a win this one. But but I'm going to say I like Jimmy and the forty niners to win it so little reverse psychology that the door trying to employ on himself. Okay I I like a bold statement there and let's see if it works for kind of thing but No I like San Francisco for the same reasons. You think San Francisco it's going to be a close game is by Joe Gold touchdown somewhere in there all right last one ravens and rams. That's the Monday Neiderman Neiderman. I mean. Obviously we've talked about Lamar Jackson potentially being the MVP and just having a great season the ravens are rams not so much. They're up and down. I really think they need this game a lot more to. I like the Rams to get it done somehow. Some way I think their defense matches up pretty well against the Ravens Mike. I'm right with the insurance deepen matching up but I think Baltimore wanting to keep the momentum gone with their young quarterback in the Mark Jackson people hard to bet against them to be honest with you and he's been fantastic and he's a guy that I really liked so if they win soapy veit anyways. I hear the music. I take that final pause for the cause. We'll do it. We'll come back like we always do with parting shots. He's Mike Wilson. I'm Andy Dwarf. It is the door foxsports weekend condition. John Challen alone in the backfield takes us now. What's down the middle? What's left looks for John? 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Paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders part of the message. Here is that trump's electoral college advantage appears to be widening. That is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs that continue to weaken Republicans with it's part of their traditional base. Then be taking away. Votes in Texas or even more votes in California but in Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain Ayn close. And you could conceivably see. Donald trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by an even wider margin than he lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what they need to do in this primer to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today. And how you should think about polls so far in advance of an election but now let's bring in our left right and center panel as always I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry editor of National Review on the right and on the leftist Sabil Rahman Demos we also have a special guest today oil Edwards Levy who is reporter and pulling editor hitter at huffpost. Hello everyone hey josh hi everybody so. There were elections on Tuesday and a few states. We can talk about twenty nineteen elections before we turn to twenty twenty me And Republicans did hold onto the governorship in Mississippi By about six points but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state and he Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding were other Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto part of the ancestral democratic radic base in Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which is otherwise swung hard toward Republicans any made inroads in one strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati. The suburbs suburbs also delivered for Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and therefore full control of that state's government for the first time in decades Sabil. What lessons do you see in these results? as Democrats look to next year so a couple of things jump out I is. This is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the TRIFECTA that's GonNa change the politics and the policies that come out of the state. And when you compare Virginia Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really is a strong pattern across the different states. We'll see there also is a similar move happening in rural counties to in the other direction and I'm sure we'll talk about that in a moment The other I think that it's as you know there is a grain of salt right. It's twenty nine hundred dollars off your election. it's hard to extrapolate national trends. So it's this isn't quite the same as the precursor to two thousand eighteen eighteen But it is a strong result for the Democrat rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats? It felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia. You know you had the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black-faced scandal with the Attorney General and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Governor and some Democrats in the legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion worship that Republicans thought was very extreme. And what outrage the median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the steady forward march of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes this is the marshes right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for a long time. Has To do with demographic changes in the state state becoming better educated more suburban more diverse so oh the whole divide we're seeing now between the suburbs and More rural working class voters. It's something that's been going on for quite a long time. And and trump has just accelerated it and he's His conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans in the suburbs especially women with the question. And we'll well I guess address. This in a little bit is whether he can do what he didn't. Twenty sixteen. Draw a A broadly are radioactive released easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in in the suburbs to just barely over the top again. Arielle is the national story that simple bull as you know re Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs and Democrats keep doing worse in rural areas and if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties ladies. I mean I think that is in large part what we are seeing across the country. And you know I think that can obscure that that there will always be things happening in a particular race in particular level. I mean you saw that in Kentucky where certainly considerations that were not national politics obviously sleigh. That's a good notorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship is going to influence people's votes but you are seeing these broader demographic trends ends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more and now we'll see whether that ends up evening out and whose favor that is rich which the governor's arial notes. There were some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not the best like person including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky tried to defeat beat Mitch McConnell and a primary few years ago so after this close result he lost by about five thousand votes. He's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were a regularities. He wants a canvas canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first of all. What do you like he lost? What do you make of him coming out and saying that and then also what do you make of the response of the Republican Party in Kentucky which has been mostly mostly to sort of ignore him and say well he lost the five thousand votes is not a a lot in the scheme of things? But in the recount are- canvas sincere a scenario huge and the chances of overturning that are extremely minimal. Basically impossible so I. I don't like the trend. We saw Stacey. Abrams do it and Georgia as well. Oh you lost. Please be gracious about it. So very tough thing personally is hard to take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards. How you were truly the winner? When clearly weren't bill I as I hear Democrats worrying about you know what is true? IS TRUMP GONNA admit he lost if he loses the two thousand twenty election and this I I've not been very. Are you worried about that. For reasons. That are are playing out on the Ground Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't lose. I didn't lose and that can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here you know the Partly I think you know as as noting five thousand votes as a lot if it was five hundred votes might be a different situation but also it's it's parallel to trump and that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party never really wanted in charge and there's a part of them that I'm sure is just pleased to be done with. Ben Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful a lesson I hope you're right Taking the model of of Kentucky I mean. Look here's the here's the challenge. In some ways that the the decision making factor here here is going to be the rest of the institutional right. What the party things right? If the Party doesn't go along with it then it just becomes sort of a slightly embarrassing stance on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away. In Our democracy proceeds in democracy only works if both sides recognize the legitimacy of the results right and so I think that's our right. What I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios you know? They're they're such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional powerbrokers of the Republican Party disarray fall in line with the president that that's where I would put more concern right presents going to do what he's going to do he always has but at. What point? Does the rest of the party decide you know what the rules those are the rules we have a we have other. People can put forward in an electoral contest. And we don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a a good time for talk about impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense that House Republicans are talking about I as it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo. Oh here around Ukraine ambassador. Gordon Sunland has changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially the these guys were freelancing. Yes somehow a message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo. Hello that but maybe trump never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want want to after all. Trump's specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed a quid pro quo and especially in the case of Rudy Giuliani. Maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial interests. You had all these business interests in Ukraine. Maybe he was using his position close to the president. I want to push his own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo idea came from in. The president is innocent and I think in that context. It's worth considering a tweet. That Rudy Giuliani sent. This week. That looks outwardly. Really liked defensive the president but I'm not sure it is. He says the investigation I conducted concerning twenty sixteen Ukrainian collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the president to basically throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus. And say whatever these people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. I did this. In my capacity as the president's agent yes I say a couple things one. There's a glimmer of an opening for this defense because most most of the people we've heard from so far really almost all the people we've heard from so far had what trump was thinking is second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is you know. More Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely plausible. That Giuliani and important respects was freelancing but I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine. So it's just hard to believe that that these guys got this cooked up this idea on on their own how How did the defense aid get withheld? Gordon silent that too and trump mentioned on the call talk to Rudy. which again is an indication that he enroute route? Era are on the on the same board on the soap a month ago when he was still pretty early. I had theory that it might defense. I offered tentatively that maybe maybe there was the intention of the quid pro quo never really got to the Ukrainians clear. At least it got to the Ukrainians. And I still. I know you're skeptic Josh by so think the Defense Republican senators will end up falling back on. is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations and this is. This is the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But that in the simpsons. That's a joke like it is it. Is it really good enough to say. Well you know the president it didn't get away with it and therefore no harm no foul. Yeah I think it any fifth-grader recognizes just how paper thin excuses is you know won't get very far in in the real world and we'll get very far year It's it's so it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what Richard I mean these Excuse the freelancing. Excuse this each week. There's a new sort of angle right and they all kind of keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff that the president and Guiliani audion others keep saying on live. TV and on twitter from their own mouths so it is kind of absurd so I know you hate this question rich for so. This still isn't impeachable and I ask again. I wanted to because of that. Giuliani tweet because one thing that we've been talking about is what exactly was role when the president says talk to Rudy. And you had said Ed I think accurately sometimes have presidents have unofficial envoys. They have people who are close to them who act as emissaries and that is not inherently inappropriate. That's true but again we have rudy. Giuliani saying here that that he was quote solely unquote acting as a defense attorney to Donald Trump. which is to say that you know whatever he was doing he was not doing it as an unofficial envoy the United States he was doing it as a personal attorney? Donald trump in his personal capacity. Isn't that therefore the president using a resource of the United States government. It's it's foreign policy for what is explicitly personal purpose yet. What's what do you have? You talked to your personal attorney about if there's a personal price so again this this is my defense and I hope it doesn't go down in textbooks as lowered fence but maybe it will is not just not to say. It wasn't improper it was. It's a question of the gravity of the fence. And whether that justifies impeaching and removing him from office and I just I do not think that outcome would be better for the country could actually make our politics worse and it would be an injury. I think to our our politics and our institutions to not just you know partially due an election which every impeachment potentially does not fully Redo it because pence would be the president but to short-circuit reelection campaign. That has some significant chance of winning. It's not like he's at twenty percent. The country is is uniformly outraged by this and There's a consensus that it's it's that grave there isn't and in fact fact. There's quite a likely scenario. Forty fifty percent. Whatever it is that he'll get impeached and get reelected so if the polling moved on this if you know if his numbers went went down to the high twenty s or something and we had you know sixty plus percent for impeach and remove with with that move you well see? I think the dynamic here is something much more grave save the polling would potentially move. But it's not gonNA move because there was not an enormous harm to the country here are. Let's talk about that. That public opinion situation relation. We had this significant move public opinion. After the Ukraine story broke where basically the entire anti-trump coalition gathered up and in nearly all of them were telling. Pollsters Ulster yes. We want an impeachment inquiry Muslim. Telling them what the president removed as a result of that inquiry has have those numbers been continuing to move. Say in the last three weeks Or did we just reach a new level. And then we're static at that level where to you know to rich's point. It reflects the the broader divide an opinion on trump generally and he's maintaining his whole base. Right now we are definitely closer to that. Latter scenario where we're seeing you know stability after a brief very pronounced changing and opinion which I think is interesting because it tells you something about what moved public opinion on impeachment in the first place. which was that? There was this development that felt I think legitimately enormous enormous to the American public. And what that was. I don't even think with so much. The details specifically of the Ukraine phone call as it was the democratic critic party getting into line and taking a public stance in a unified stance on the issue. And when they did that you saw most prominently. Democrats democratic-leaning Graddick leaning independence following their party. Accusers saying okay. The party is now pretty much unanimous that this is something that we're going to start at least pursuing it. I'm cory and they a follow that and you saw this pretty dramatic uptick especially because there are so few dramatic shifts in party politics these days since then things have more or less less stabilized. You see sort of consistently support in the very high forties maybe low fifties for impeachment impeachment removal. However you'RE GONNA ask bad bad and what you see when you ask about? The process itself is that people generally don't tend to be thrilled about the way Democrats are handling this. They're not overwhelmingly supportive have but they give much much worse ratings to Republicans in Congress to the way that trump is been handling inquiry so things have pretty much stabilized. A bout about what you expect from almost any partisan situation in the country at this point. It doesn't look good for. Trump is not like his numbers are going to get better on this but it doesn't doesn't look like people have been following the latest developments very closely in reacting sequentially. Teach new thing that happens since that initial sort of burst of change Sabil then. Then what are lessons for Democrats there. Because I think Richard's right as a descriptive matter which is to say that removal from office happen when presidents support has collapsed across the political spectrum. It doesn't have to go to zero. Nixon had twenty five percent support when he left office. But I think it is true that the president will not be impeached removed with an approval rating of forty percent so if Democrats Project right now is that they need to move public opinion on impeachment. What is there for them to do? Yeah I mean this is a this is a really important part of the conundrum. Here I mean first of all the the impeachment is a power of the Congress right is not strictly speaking of power of the plebiscite or of public opinion and so their responsibility in the decisions and opinions of Congress. I matters here constitutionally as well as politically and I think that's important because a lot of times we think about this question strategic question which is the Democrats do. I'll come back to in a moment but I think this is actually really a question for what is GOP leadership supposed to do right. And what are they doing. Aren't they doing so. If the whole point of having a separation of powers is to prevent the kinds of abuses of office that an autocracy or tyranny can do when a president can weaponize foreign policy for domestic political and personal gain. Even if it's feels feels somewhat mild that is a really dangerous door to open and so I think the question is what is the whole congress including Republicans in Congress. What is their responsibility to our constitutional system And what's the strategic question for them right in this moment so I think so. I think that's according for both parties to the question of what the Democrats really need to do. Now I think part of what I take from the polling. That area was sharing is that there are very few things that punched through the noise of how people understand what's happening in Washington right. We absorb like default received ways of interpreting left and right and so moving at a public hearing to air out in public transparently. What the facts are what the sequence servants are? Why why we think this might be a problem right? That's an important step and then we see what happens from there. The other thing I'll also say is that there are lots of tools at Congress has at its disposal to ensure accountability of the executive branch. So I think it's a little fall to say either impeachment or he just shrugged the whole thing away but but this is why I think a lot really ride on the shoulders of the Senate leadership on the right. You know that this is their time to step up and actually take the series two things about one even though I don't WanNa see impeach removed. This is a much better process than the more process might complain about the process screwy because he had the executive branch in effect undertaking undertaking. What was a defacto impeachment inquiry against the president of the United States and the political accountable body? Wasn't you know. Democrats didn't have the house. Then but they they do now but this is the way it should work. They're they're on the lines and they're politically accountable for this one way or the other and also I just don't want my opposition to impeachment to be taken as okay no big deal. Sweep it under the rug. I completely fine with making a big deal of it having hearings and having investigations and getting to the the bottom of it. Let's take a quick break. We'll be back with rich lowry of National Review. Bill Rahman of Demos and Oriole Everett's Levy of Huffington Post to talk about the twenty twenty election. Picture it listening to frighten sentence you're hearing from our left right and center and we want to hear from you to tweet us at l.. RC KCRW and download the the free KCRW APP to listen to left right and center on demand on the newest list. Episode of here be monsters. I ask farmers if anyone can be a water witch or if it's just something you have to be born with. I mean it's in your body. It's your makeup or your your chemicals or something in your body that you can do it. Some people can some people camp and why I can. I don't know must be because ugly. I don't it had subscribed to here be monsters. Wherever you listen to podcasts? Back again with left right and center. I'm Josh Barrow of New York magazine on. The right is rich. Lowry editor of National Review on the leftist Rahman President of Demos and our special guest is Oreo Edwards. Levi reporter and polling editor at huffpost national polling has generally showed the major Democratic candidates for president with major leads over Donald Trump. According to the realclearpolitics six average biden has been leading the president by ten points Sanders by eight points in Warren by seven points but new battleground state polling from the New York Times shows a much closer picture sure has some democrats nervous. Trump could be narrowly reelected even if he loses the national popular vote by a wider margin than last time Rl. Before we get into these specific polls. I WanNa ask you a general question. Suppose that you are a democratic voter whose top concern is defeating Donald Trump next year. And you would like to vote for whoever you think is the strongest general election candidate. What information can you look at now? A year ahead of the election that gives you actual information about who's the strongest general election candidate. I mean I think the answer there is unfortunately that if any particular democratic voter knows the answer to this they should probably be taking a job as a top democratic strategists somewhere because they will have figured out the election election better than pretty much anybody else working on it You know I think you can look at the numbers that are starting out. Were just sort of on the cusp of being able to you. Start looking at these polls that are coming out and seeing okay. Maybe this does mean something but what we're seeing. A lot of is fairly close. Numbers offers for different candidates. And we don't really know yet. I think this time around exactly how predictive a lot of this polling is going to be is one of the main challenges in in past elections. You've seen that polling more than a year out about a year out is basically not predictive of WHO's going to win election and there's a theory that this time around because has things are so much more polarized than they've been in the past that it's going to be a little bit different but it's still. I think hard to be able to take a look at what we have now in say okay. There's there's definitely one candidate who's going to win and I think that's reflected in the way that Democratic voters Mussa have been approaching this race when we've done polling found that the vast majority of Democrats rats believe that there are multiple candidates who can win against president trump. So a lot of people are not looking at this. As sort of a zero-some game here I don't think what about Data other than polling data. I mean I know one thing. Political scientists have looked at is is is ideology and perceived ideology of candidates and they find in governor's races that at more. Moderate candidates do ten perform compared to more ideologically extreme candidates that affects not so large in congressional races. We don't really have enough presidential races to to to To look at that so when you have candidates claiming to be more electable they will. They will just went to the polls. They'll say things like well. You know I can appeal to swing voters. I'm more moderate candidate. So extreme dream though scare people off on the flip side you hear well you know I I can motivate people ideologically. I will bring out people who otherwise would vote at all Is there stock to put neither through those theories I think there is. I think there is stock to put in both them. And you know it's this sort of idea that the push pulled. The electorate is individual people. All of whom are going to think about this in very different ways. I think it is true that you know moderate candidates that idea has appealed to people who are not quite as ideological logical who are maybe not quite as partisan generally involved in the electoral process. There's also the fact that there are people who are going to be motivated by a really strong a message on one side or the other and ultimately. I think that a lot of people don't necessarily think quite along those sharp lines of this. This person's a liberal. This person is a moderate and you know you can see that. Become the way that a racist framed but you know is donald trump going to run necessarily a saying my opponent is far left and his eat knock WanNa do that for Biden versus the way that he might against someone like Sanders are Warren. So I think it really sort of depends with the messaging of the races. I hear a lot of people. Make that point the Oriole is making about you know well. He's going to say that about any nominee but part the question is what are the voters GonNa believe that about any nominee and so as you know I feel like these these times polls have gotten a lot of attention this week more than a poll release usually does and what they show for people who haven't followed it closely. This is a poll of six states. The six states that Donald Trump won by the narrowest margins in two thousand Sixteen Arizona Florida Michigan North Carolina Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And they show all three of the major candidates close. Warren is is a little bit behind in five of the states. And if you if you took that as an exact results altern extrapolated out that would have her like just barely lose the election Biden is is ahead in five of the six states but again not by very much extrapolated that he would win but I think you know one one message people have taken from this. Is You know we should be nervous about Elizabeth Warren his nominee. But another message has been that none of these. Three candidates looks as strong as the national polling would suggest they are. Yeah I mean I think both things can be true at the same time that one this there is cause for concern from these polls showing the strength of the president in these key battleground and to that it actually doesn't tell us a whole lot in terms of trying to adjudicate between the front runners in the current primary. I think so. I think both of those things are true at the same time in terms. Yeah what Democrats need to be thinking about. I think what area was saying about the kind of voters not having a specific spectrum of like left right and where exactly people fall fall on the line I think that's exactly true. Moderation and extremism are there actually. I'm kind of rhetorical battles right. Both sides will try to paint the other person in one form or another her I think what matters more is not that you know. We think that one candidate is more moderate because of their specific policy proposal. That they have what's going to matter much more is having a candidate that is both seen as authentic and trustworthy on the one hand and that is motivational right and that motivation can be in terms of bringing people together it can be also in terms of addressing things that people are really struggling with right and so that's part of what the different candidates are trying to prove on on in the campaign right now it rich I think these polls they they help bring into focus something. The president has been doing that. I think a lot of people look at and find puzzling. which is to say I? He sees that his road to reelection runs through the rust belt. He needs to win these states again that he won last time and so as he does things that further alienate some especially affluent white voters in the suburbs And you can look at the Texas Republican Party and basically full freak out mode. Now they have some esoteric scandals of their own. They're causing them problems but they're worried about losing control. The state legislature slater things keep getting worse in the suburbs of Houston and Dallas But that doesn't matter for the president he doesn't you know he he. He thinks that he's not gonNA lose so much ground in Texas which he won by nine points last time that will actually manage to lose it. He Wins Texas by two. He wins Pennsylvania by half a point again. He's on his way back to the White House. But it's not clear to me that that is a good situation for the Republican hardy as a whole even if the math just barely works for him right. Some precedent were. Have you ever had a president. where he he got a clear plausible path doesn't doesn't involve a popular vote majority which it clearly doesn't it have to be kind of an earth shattering event for him to win more popular than Democrat? I think you're you're onto something and maybe you know conventional analysts. Oh don't don't do this. Don't say that you know most people will dislike. It doesn't doesn't matter if most people dislike the potential flaw in the theory of course is there are suburban voters in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin. And they're part of the picture. Sure in those states as well so you can't have a Su- Nami against you that that we've seen since trump hasn't been on the ballot in the in those suburbs and another big. The question here is just just are are trump. Voters are they Republican voters or are they just trump voter some segment of them clearly are just trump voters. And that's not good for the party either. Can we talk a little bit about people who don't vote or people who very often don't vote. Ezra Klein said something interesting on twitter this week. which is that? He you know he thinks that the bubble that's more important than ideological bubbles. People are in Washington is is the bubble of highly informed highly engaged voters and that he thinks people who are highly engaged on the left. I understand people who are highly engaged on the right much better than they understand people who are weakly attached and so I think when you look at the base of support for a candidate like Bernie Sanders. There's often an assumption that these weekly attached voters. What what will bring them out and get them to vote and Democrats particularly look at them and say demographically people who don't vote look like they would be more to the left than people who do vote and so if we you go out with a strong ideological message We can we can activate these voters who haven't turned out in the past and get them to turn out for us. I Nate Cohn the WHO's been overseeing and he's pulled the New York Times. He was pouring cold water on that this week saying that you know non voters who might vote democratic. Don't don't look like what what sort of activists in the Democratic Party imagine. Judge them to look like. Yeah well I agree a hundred percent with the point about trying to look at people who are not highly engaged in politics and I think their voices voices you know maybe unsurprisingly. Don't get hurt and I think that they think about politics. A lot of people think about politics no way. That's fundamentally pretty different from the way that people who are active on twitter and who have deeply held party line political opinions think about politics and I think the point that Nate Cohn made as you know regardless of. What's the specific horse race? Numbers are in one survey for people in battlegrounds. Then that really distinguishes. These people in one way unfortunately is that they are not i. It logically cohesive the way the people who belong to one of the two major parties are so you know now you tell me. Somebody is a strong Republican or a strong Democrat. I can give you a pretty good idea without knowing anything else about them about what they'll say on a variety of issues which issues they'll even prioritize. But when you look at a group of non voters who are distinguished mainly by not being an adherent to one of those parties they. He often have very idiosyncratic ways of looking at politics. And I'm not sure there's one message you know. These are not people who are necessarily politically independent. They're not people who are moderate moderate. They're not people who all agree on one issue. They're not centrists. There are people who have taken an approach to politics but doesn't look like the sort of to prevailing ways Of Looking at national partisan lines Sabil. Is that a challenge for a candidate like Warren. Because I think there are countervailing factors for a candidate like Bernie Sanders with that kind of group of voters because they they say as as Arial describes some contradictory things but some of the themes that cone describes are on some cultural issues. They they tend to be more conservative than where you would expect Democratic voters to be But they also tend to say that they really want someone who will shape and change Washington and and in some cases they're relatively open to more liberal economic policies like single payer So I guess the question is you know. Sanders can use his outside or appeal to appeal to some voters. Who might be alienated in general from politics but the sort of the? I Have a plan approach with Warren. Seems like it. It's aimed at voter. Who has a fair amount of trust in the political process? WHO believes that you know? Well if we if we hire the right people who do the right things and the government will do good things for us which doesn't seem like a good message for weekly attached voters and then some of those voters will also be put off by a perception of ideological extremism. Yes I have a different read on how what Iva plans story is is actually how it actually resonates with folks right so if we step back for the second I mean I think this distinction between information low information voters I think is a real one. But if you think about what gets folks motivated and mobilized to vote right it's it's not just that they're Disengaged from politics I mean for a lot of these folks there they already know what their communities need what they are looking for in the political system. They they just don't trust the current set of politicians and institutions to deliver that and so part of the backstory for example in the Virginia result. A few week few days ago is that you actually had a lot of door to door organizing among working families among communities of color to help can activate those communities and help sort of make the link that actually your vote it does matter. It's not that we're trying to persuade you about something. That's super ideological that you may or may not agree with already. Actually we're trying to convince you that the things you know you want to see happen in the world. Can it actually happened if you participate in this election and if you trust the Messenger that we're that is on the. Ken is on the ballot. So with that lens part of what I read both Bernie and warranty doing actually making different Taking different tactics to try to make that case that they are change makers they can get it done and that they are not of of the existing establishment so warrants. I have plan is not really to my ears. About high information voters It's really about. Let's restore our faith and trust in the fact that actually showing up to vote and participating in two thousand twenty is going to make a difference. And here's I'm trying to show that I can get done. Can we talk about Mike Bloomberg one thing that we learned late this week is it looks like Mike. Bloomberg May Get into this presidential race. I think people have been talking about this a little bit wrong. It's not necessarily that. He is going to run. He is he has been keeping open. The option of running. We're coming up on the filing deadline in Alabama. He wants the option to to run. He has to file to run an Alabama so he's filing But certainly this. This doesn't mean that he's not running he he may run. Reo what is what is the theory of Bloomberg run here. Is there a space in this in this primary campaign. I think maybe the you know rationale for Bloomberg run is at Bloomberg would like to be president. I don't think that what this electorate was really crying out for was more candidates to choose from and you know we've sort of consistently insistently found if you look at polls that people in the Democratic primary electorate are generally pretty happy with their field Enthusiasm satisfaction is higher than it's been fin and past cycles. At this point you know you see a pretty small minority her saying. I'm not happy with the candidates who are out there and certainly not enough for somebody become the front runner. I I guess the question then. Is those people who aren't happy with the field is what they're looking for a Michael Bloomberg sort of candidate and do not really convince there is. I'm not sure what he brings things to the table that candidates within the political system. You know people who have worked on Capitol Hill. Don't bring there and I don't think you we see in. The Democratic electorate a lot of people who are looking for a non-politician for you know somebody who is not already represented in the field. If you're looking for someone more moderate you have that if you're looking for somebody WHO's a billionaire. We have one of those already. I don't know what he's targeting. Exactly so seems to be the flirtation Asian with this at least point that people might be over selling it in terms like he's definitely getting in but it's clearly symptom of the freak out among an element of the democratic establishment and democratic donors about the current state of the the race. And here's the democratic donor. Saying you know I'm GonNa get in And I think Democrats are a little bit and the same stage phase that Republicans were in two thousand. Sixteen all this young interesting huge field and then after why they're all terrible well none of them any good. It's not a strong field at all and I just don't see what Bloomberg's path would be finished. He could finish seven Iowa. And is he gonNA go. You know and and win African American voters in the South and it's also a bit of a misnomer. We've talked about a little bit the program set to think there's like a moderate moderate lane so the Biden I'd moderate lane is made up with with very diverse coalition of African Americans non college educated voters at Bloomberg seems to be more of a threat to the Buddha Judge Lane which kind of relative moderation but a lot of college educated white voters. And that's not that many people. Yeah it's it's it's it's just baffling right. I mean and I think it speaks to due partly the concern on the donor side that rituals meaning. I would rephrase it. I think it's less about democratic donors in general and more about like a particular slice of the super wealthy who you are. Frankly terrified of a Bernie Warren Agenda and they kind of should be because those candidates have rightly made inequality centerpiece of their campaign. I think this is just a part of the the ongoing erasure of Joe Biden. which is to say you know if you are concerned that the Democratic Party is getting too far to the left? If you're concerned specifically that they're gonNA come after billionaires with wealth taxes the moderate moderate candidate that you want to run already not only in the race but is leading the polls consistently leading the polls. He's down maybe a point from where he was a couple of months ago. This idea that there's been a Joe Biden poll collapses false. And so if you're if you're Mike Bloomberg and you're terrified of Elizabeth Warren either because you think she'll lose her because she thinks she'll win then you should be for Joe Biden And I think like a lot of observers he probably looks at Joe Biden and things. So He's lost a step how is he gonNA maintain this Blah Blah Blah but so far he is maintaining it and so I would think you know that my my my assumption about why Bloomberg had been keeping his options open about whether to run was he was watching to see if Biden would fall apart and I sort of get that if biden completely fell apart. There'd be a space for Bloomberg I still don't know what his appeal to black voters would be But there's no space at all with Biden still at twenty eight and Biden is still persistently stubbornly stubbornly at twenty eight and people. Just don't want to admit that to themselves so crazy Biden store in a sentence is incredible resilience. Despite stark weaknesses the fundraising hand-raising is not front runner fundraising. Isla looks like a huge problem. So does New Hampshire. You know what happens to South Carolina strategy if that's true and the performance ability hasn't been there but the national polling is is largely still there before we go to break rich. Can I ask you one question about Jeff sessions so Maggie Haberman tweeted. Jeff sessions is announced. He's going to run to try to get his old Senate seat back. In Alabama President Hates Jeff. Sessions is God's blames him for the Molar Mass So Haberman tweeted order. Come down in the White House that were that people are not to comment on Jeff sessions and his and this race. Is that going to hold the president really going to be able to hold his tongue and not try to beat the the crap out of Jeff sessions does he. That's true. That's the role in a hold. Jeff sessions will win the primary and be a senator again but it's all it all goes to trump and I don't think anyone one can predict the the hatred was just for minor standing people in meetings who's radiating off trump for jeff sessions and is not one on to bite his tongue. So Jeff sessions knows. He's kind of walking on eggshells. Here in a couple of tweets could make all the difference whether he gets back or not. Reo As as I've watched jeff sessions. Think about this. It's like why is he gonNA run into this buzzsaw. Assume there's no way to win a Republican primary like that with the president attacking you and so as he is he just dependent on the forbearance of the president. Here I mean at this point I think you know in the Republican Party and people's opinions of trump are so closely held never trump part of the GOP is such a tiny sliver. And I think you know if you have the active antagonism of the sitting very popular within the party president. That's not a really auspicious start now now. It's time for tweet to the week. Sometimes it only takes one hundred forty characters or maybe two hundred eighty two still the spirit of the week Khalil Raymond what tweets Roku so the New York Times at a treat relating to the Bloomberg announcement and he said Congrats to Bloomberg's various consultants for cashing. In on this announcement. I thought it was hilarious and a little bit. Graham of the people who are most likely to be served by a Bloomberg jumping in the race are pretty narrow slice of folks who are advising his race rather than folks in the country. I also have a Bloomberg tweet from my colleague. Charlie Cook who says a federal candidate Michael Bloomberg Bloomberg viscerally annoys everyone in America in at least one important way Arlit Levy. What's your tweet of the week? I have a tweet from Aaron. Blake wash post doing a little bit of post. This election analysis love the day after an election. At which time everything the winner did is declared to have worked beautifully and everything the Lizard it to have backfired horrendously Matt Gaetz the Congressman from Florida said this week the media consists of Kale and keen wa eaters who look down on regular American Sweet Fried Food Laura Nelson the transportation reporter at the Los Angeles Times objects to this saying quote. I literally once watched a journalist. Eat a hamburger and French fries during a press conference and then wipe his hands on the carpet unquote arlos delivers Levy reporter and pulling editor at Huffpost. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me. I've been talking with several Rahman of demos and rich lowry of National Review. We will be back to talk about rich lowry's new book. The case for nationalism left right and center you're hearing civilized yet provocative opinions from all sides. Now we need to know what you thank tweet us at l.. RC KCRW stream all episodes of left right and center and our companion show all the president's lawyers at KCRW DOT com slash Josh podcasts for from the KCRW APP on the newest episode of knocked her. A podcast asked about the night. When the vulnerability inherent in the night is used to threaten and harm the effects are deep and long lasting? My Paris I moved small town very white. That's on the cross burning taxes. They didn't want us as children to be afraid. But the trauma it goes on for generations fine knocked turn from KCRW wherever you listen to podcasts. Back again with left right and center sir. I'm your host Josh Barrow Rich Lowry Editor of National Review unless Beal Robin President of Demos Has A new book out. Congratulations rich thanks so much. It's the case case for nationalism. How it made us powerful strong and free now? President trump describes himself as a nationalist. But most people don't use this term positively people to trump's left. We'll we'll tell you. Nationalism is terminology for an exclusionary ideology that envisions in America. Only for some Americans particularly one. That's hostile to non white Americans but nationalism also has many detractors on on the right from Libertarians who say stands in the way of an emphasis on individual rights to neo conservatives. Who say they think it leads to isolate them? But I think nationalism is one of these words like neo-conservatism states about it end up being incoherent because people mean different things when they say it's so rich. I think that's a good place to start with your book. What is nationalism in the American context? What exactly are you sticking up for okay? So this is I think the worst patriotism and nationalism and much of the conversation loose conversation should be under interchangeable but people have the assumption that patriotisms everything good about national feeling and national is. Is Everything bad and I think that's wrong. Patriotism Goes back through to the word. That word Padre Same Patriarchy Father Fatherland is loyalty to your own nationalism properly defined is just strictly the idea idea that a people distinct people set aside by the common history. Common Culture should govern a distinct territory. Okay but so what. What do we mean by distinct people there? Because I think what you've described there is just the nation state I mean. Obviously every country literally consists of you know the extent that is democratic is governed by the people all who are our citizens of that place. So what makes Americans a distinct people because usually I mean I feel like when we talk about nationalism say France you think of the French nation as being something that exists exists prior to the French state and that has been through line through revolutions and all sorts of things and it has to do with people who have you know have a cultural and ethnic heritage in the geographic traffic region of France. That goes back a very long time. Not all of them of most of the people there that doesn't apply to the United States which is in a country founded by migrants in that I think is based much more. We're on a national idea. So what does who are the distinct people of the United States this over to anyone. WHO's a citizen? Yes so I think. There is an American nation prior to the American revolution. I can't give you a date. But we are self governing and develop their own habits and institutions for about one hundred years prior to the American revolution. Which is one reason? We got a American revolution and we're united by common culture that involves language is crucial aspect of it involves Bulbs National Heroes and founding fathers same way in in other countries involves living in a bounded and distinct territory also involves institutions and the ideas and one thing. I spent a lot of time in book pushing back against. I hate the cliche that here. From both sides that America is an idea. That's just a falsehood. It's slights all these other attachments. That are extremely important to people as a lived reality. I don't quite know what to make of this because I think insert ways this. This is broad enough that you could attach any set of left or right ideas to it yet. The idea of nationalism. Yeah well the the idea of as a country that exists for or the set of people who are you know who who are citizens of that country and who share some broadly defined set of experiences and you define that in different ways to accommodate the the different aren't nature of any given country. It's almost like a concepts so broad but I'm not sure it means very much right I I agree with that and I. I think there's sort of two levels I read your argument. Can't reach and we might. We might agree on some of them and disagree on others right one. Is that served very broad level. The idea that there is some kind of bond between those of us who are or in a shared political enterprise that is the United States of America right and that that is a good thing. Because we have we're in a complex society of disagreement we need ways to have sort of shared unity that cuts across partisan lines. Or what have you all good so far but then the question becomes. What's the content of that shared affinity that shared idea and I think this is where we have a lot to to wrestle with right because so while it's true that there's a kind of historical line some of the points that you're talking about? It's also true that a so many of us who feel strongly and identify as Americans that are part of this policy. Have a very different history coming into this country. And in terms of how we've experienced American self government or or not or the exclusion from American government. Right and then be I think the other thing that is Something to wrestle with is that you know setting aside the settler origins of the country which has which has a dark side to it of course in terms of the colonial history of American conquest in in this continent and elsewhere. They're all sorts of other other a powerful civic ideals that I think really do by this together as much in their breach as in their realization ideas about freedom about liberty about inclusion inclusion about democracy right and that's a story of American identity that resonates more strongly with with me when I think about the struggles to overcome the legacy of slavery. Avery integrate. Those of us who came here and don't geologically come from English stock the I'm I'm an immigrant family and I'm the American citizen in my my family and I quite proud of that so I think I think the Dinger Wrestle is. What is that content of American Albania? I think we might have some disagreement. Yeah so the way the way I would think think of it to kind of personalize it a little bit. is you probably go anywhere around the world now and people look at you the way you walk the way talk with what you you want to eat the way you dress and you're American you're like clearly in American and I I do not that I doubt it at all but example I using talks like in on the Paris Opera House steps tonight if an african-american meets a white American they have totally different ideologies in totally different parts of the country. They they instantly have more in common than anyone around them and that goes to the cultural core of the country. I'm just saying that's really important to now. The the institutions. The ideas are important as well and I think a lot of national identity was set by the people who settled here Initially but inherent in a lot of it and they had a very crimped view of of what the nation was going to be in a lot of them. Thought it was just going to be for white people but inherent in it was a A greater openness A more open society and slowly over time that came to be true. And that's part of our story in identity as well I I guess the question for you which is why in practice ends up being controversial and in particular I mean you you have a political movement that Donald Trump is built around what his idea of nationalism is that you know demographically graphically looks very different in its support in the country as a whole is much wider and you and you see a lot of suspicion from people who look at this and say that they feel excluded by it and and so is that is that nationalism just being done incorrectly at and if it is. Does it tell you anything that like. When when nationalism happens in practice when you get leaders like Donald trump who call themselves nationalists that they end up putting out divisive messages? And and even even when you agree with with specific policies that they're proposing using using language that ends up feeling very exclusionary too much of what what clearly you in your book conceive of as being parts of the American nation. Yes couple couple couple things. Why is it controversial? It shouldn't be controversial and it's increasingly controversial because it used to be that people kind of cosmopolitan attitude. A Tuesday tend to be the outsiders in the critics of society and These attitudes of now seeped into elite of our society in some respects the governing institutions begin the sixties and seventies so we have in some respects denationalising elite which is sort of an unprecedented thing in history and circling back. To one of the things you brought up previously sleep nationalism. It needs some additives definers. Because you're right you can have a Bernie Sanders agenda. That is pretty frankly nationalistic and over the course career there've been aspects of this at site in the book this famous interview with Ezra Klein the editor of attacks were Ezra in two thousand sixteen said Senator Sanders while you want want to help. Poor people is there anything better suited to help poor people around the world and just let even more of them in to the United States which is a true fact. It's whatever else you think of immigration policy it certainly helps the immigrants and sanders like no. That's a coke brothers idea where a distinct country and we got to look out for the interest of our people in our workers first. So that's a nationalist enlist sentiment. How he exemplifies it in policy is would be totally different than the way I do but I would support the sentiment and then to circle round and to trump I mean the problem with trump is tell prompter trump on? Nationalism isn't so many other things I think is unassailable. I think times have been really moving as Poland speech which was a A nationalist themes and made the point that the polls could never really be successively occupied wiped out. Because there's just something so polish the polls deeply true point but then he gets out in the wild and on nature and on twitter and he totally kicks away. What should the unifying appeal of nationalism? Like a good recent example last two months is when he said no no human being we want to live in Baltimore. Human Beings do live in Baltimore and not just human beings. They're Americans Americans sir and you're the head of state of the United States. America's that's should make some impression on you and lead you not not to a lead a certain segment of the population of thank your scorning or having contempt for them. This is exactly where we can be really careful right. I think the idea that there is is an important moral political bond between folks in Baltimore and folks in Kentucky and Books New York right that is important and that is part of what that makes the whole project work but to take that seriously means we also have to create space for and see one another as co equals in this American project. And that's not well served by some of that self professed champions of right wing nationalism like the president and so I think the insofar as we can have a useful the conversation about nationalism it it really needs to be about this continental who gets to be a part of the nation right if the nationalism is premised on a set of a set of traditions traditions and legacies and ideas that celebrate the conquest and eradication of native peoples and The the periodic exclusion of immigrants. It's of color or of descends slavery. That's not a that's not a national right at the answer. Clearly to who who gets to be part of the nation it's it's everyone and the wonderful thing about true nationalism loyalty above tribes sacked race and partisanship so properly understood has a great unifying appeal and not Republican tradition but just going to Democrat tradition because there is one it's FDR in the new deal. One reason that Reagan was Very refund of FDR even when he totally turned against democratic policies is he remembered that nationalistic appeal that national self confidence that patriotic optimism that FDR expressed during the great pressure. But so then there's also the question of who gets to be included but who gets to benefit right. I mean because one thing that you talk about in the book it's sort of in response to claims that you know nationalism in the. US is about centering. White culture that excludes other people when you talk about the contributions in fact the disproportionate contributions of African the Americans and the formation of of America's shared culture and I was struck because you were echoing arguments that we saw in the sixteen nineteen projects in the New York Times. There was not not very well received by by people on the writing including you And so I'm wondering what what you say to to African Americans who look at that and say yes. We did build this country together and in fact we maybe we did more than our share. And where has that left us with less wealth with less protection from the government. And so if you want if you want to get people excited about a shared national project Don't people have valid grievances when they say well. This shared national product. Hasn't worked as well as it has some other Americans yes so sixty nineteen project. There's a lot I really disliked about it. There's a lot what I think I can prove to you if you get into. That was dishonest. But what was moving in the lead essay in the series in that in in the New York Times magazine was the story of African American. Patriotism and the essay is father having a flag in the front yard and being at school and a teacher saying go go show on the globe. What country you're from and not knowing where to point because she's so American and AH besides African Americans who've come here fairly families come here fairly recently? Besides that African most African Americans since their lineage goes way back probably much further as I say in the book than any of the Neo Nazi martyrs in Charlottesville so this is a foundational sin of America that African Americans were part of the culture in Asian from the beginning and contributed so much and got so little. And I think it's You know there's a tragic. It's tragic that there's a bridge between the Republican Party and African American community and Conservatives and an African American community and this is something that needs to be focused on on and much higher in our consciousness on the right than it than it has been just to push on that a little bit more. I mean I think it's not just about culture but it is it's actually about the political institutions and sort of the the things we most celebrate about the idea of American democracy right. I mean one of the the parts that jumped out at me. I was thinking about the sixteen thousand project to WHO Josh in Nicole Jones Essay and then Jamal Booze in that project is well. There's a a a point made about how is because of the blood and activism activism and passion of Black Americans that we even have anything resembling democracy right to fight for democracy of which backmarkers were not a part of explicitly cut out of in the constitutional constitutional convention but then to despite that right to push for a more inclusive transformational view of what American democracy could be. You know you go back. And Look at Frederick Douglass. His attempt to re interpret the Constitution as an anti slavery document as part of making it an argument that despite what's written in the text the highest ideals of of American democracy as expressed in the preamble actually require repudiation of the three fifths clause right. And that's that's such a critical because when you think about shared political the project the way in which we are all part that means it's not just about contributions to art and culture but actually who is pushing us to realize the best versions ends of our own experts. There's no doubt that one of the glories of of the American story state very well so we have reached that time once again far famed left right and center ranch featuring pepperdine's from across the political oh spectrum Rahman what's your rent so earlier this week and Hillary had a piece in the Atlantic documentary really important new study that came out about inflation and on the left and right we usually toss inflation flation around back and forth and we were debating about economic policy but this important finding is that inflation for working class and middle class Americans is actually much higher and faster than inflation for the rest of us because of how skewed our economy is become. Prices are going up faster for those basic goods and services. This is super wonky point but actually pretty radically changes everything and economic mkx pausing. We're GONNA see the ripple effects of this for a number of years rich lowry. It's your soapbox yet another unfortunate. If admittedly very minor trend in our era is the political weaponization open is Asian and divisiveness around championship. Team visits to the White House late ex examples the celebration of Washington national players at the White House every moment of of which was dissected by each side for plaudits and brickbats. We'd be much better off all of us. We could keep a sense of perspective at least about a tradition associated with with the biggest triumph of these players. Sporting lives for my rant. We talked some last week about Elizabeth Warren Plan to pay for her Medicare for all plan. I got some more time to dig into it over the weekend and thing that really strikes me about it is the extent to which much of it is a Jenga tower which is to say. She's she needs to come up with trillions of dollars to pay for this plan and so she's looking for where she can find it in sometimes quite clever ways. Basically saying here's money that's spent on healthcare now. I'm GONNA find a way to take that and put it toward the new system. But some some of these are fragile She depends on trillions of dollars in contributions from state and local governments that will face litigation. There will be questions about whether that's constitutional. The wealth tax faces significant constitutional. All questions a number of these components could fall apart. Not just for political reasons that I think are easy to identify Joe Manchin and Kerstin Cinema Really GonNa vote for all the elements of this plan but even if they do a lot artem end up being legally fragile. It's all built around finding a way to say that we don't have to have a middle class tax increase in order to do this and I just think that you know ultimately in the end and if you want a really big expansion of the welfare state in the United States to look a lot more like European countries our tax system is going to have to look like those in European countries that means things like value added taxes taxes new broad based taxes that pay for the broadly shared services that people pay those taxes will benefit from. That's all we have time for today. I WanNa thank rich lowry Sabil Rahman and Reo Edwards Levi. Veep left right and center is produced by Sarah. Fay Our technical director is Colin. Cab Washington Jewish Hamadan production assistance. Todd Simon composer music. I'm Josh Barrow. Thanks for joining us in tune in next week for more or less writing center download and subscribe at at KCRW dot com slash L. R. C. The KCRW APP or wherever you find podcasts. 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I probably will have to suggest. Just that someone who is more capable and more able to me at the moment take those rules dominant position where I can go back and show my stuff but overall I'm still optimistic. On the part of the parties had some great winds Pennsylvania had a lot of wins. We had a mayor win in Ohio. The they are Exalted Libertarians. Who are building a name in their local communities and reaching out and building the kind of relationships and reputation that then you build and then we had that sort of three three race in New York City for a district attorney where the Liberty Party candidate? I was pretty amazing. You can qualify that win in many different ways but at the end of the day to have three candidates on the ballot in Libertarian. Party candidate winning. That's pretty impressive. So that was that was really. It was lots of reasons Islamism. There's also lots of reasons for pessimism in New York. They're really upset about the Libertarian Party. Being an have after that whole day win decided to raise the the number of votes that are required for a part of the official party so meaning after twenty. Two unless the Libertarian party grows by a lot of the next few years is going to be tough to retain in about access to New York which is unfortunate. At least we have for twenty. We'll cross a bridge and twenty twenty two But yeah there's plenty of reasons but also just liberty message in general technology like all this stuff when you when you think like programming. There's no way that the government can keep up with technology so long as people look to push technology to enable people to empower people. That will always be hope. They'd use just to make sure that people are free to do these things and we'll we'll have a better place. I'm optimistic about twenty twenty. I haven't putting out as much content. I probably will be putting out more content again after the classes over because at least it will have time to do content content to do that. I just want the same resources travel as much as I did. And and We'll see we'll see what I do I am I am. I haven't been in content on web development. If that's something you're interested in so look up. Alex Smith said full stack developer on Youtube. And you'll find all views there our channels regarding marketing music libertarianism. They're all still on there and youtube with lots of videos at checkout. So do you check them out. I'll probably redoing Patriot soon to be more geared towards a web development. Because I really do again want to make sure I solidify. I don't I don't want to go into when you industry and just get along. Just get along. I aim to make impact. I always aimed to make impact anything that I get into. And that's let's aiming to do so that's just a little update in my life and why you probably haven't heard much from me recently. Why you if you follow me on social media? I haven't been posting that much. I've been following. I'm in make digging my looks but I just I just haven't had much to say because my mind has been so focused on this. You know big change in my life and to me. That is part of Libertarian. Message that people have the freedom and and people are able to make those changes so people so government just needs to get out of the way people society just needs to give people the space in encourage them and set the example for people to really Kinda take the risks and rise up to the challenge of being awesome awesome. That's part of what I'm doing. I think I can be more awesome. And I'm making changes in my life so that way I can get to the place where I I. Can I envisioned myself being more awesome so I can be a better example. My involvement can be have more impact in the future within the Libertarian party but also by improving my licensing the best example for others that I can. So that's where I'm at been definitely a little disappointed in myself in my ability to balance my invalid ten party and this new venture But I still am very very much passionate about libertarian. In your message. And I'm very passionate about this new venture in the world of development and programming and basically just empowering people to be able to create low cost something on the web because Italy on the web you can is such a big equalizer and the possibilities of what you can create are amazing and the possibilities of things that are being created are are are are just exciting so hopefully you guys have a happy holidays and Merry New Year or happy New Year and I will see you guys in two thousand twenty. Thank you guys so much have a great day and enjoy. The Free State Project Has Reached its goal of twenty thousand. 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The state we spy on all of our citizens are prisoners of flooded with non violent drug offenders. You WanNa know who America's next enemy S.. Look at funding right now. One of the problems are Vulcan government. Way Too big okay. Welcome everybody this is a very special episode of part of the problem. It's a we're making history for our podcast because this is the first time that I've ever had a guest on the show who is currently running for president of the United Nited States of America. I did have one guest once who has run for president previously and of course that was the Great Ron Paul and so it's fitting that the the The guest I have on now is picking up that that mantle and of course it is Jacob Porn Burger. WHO's gotten so many of us so excited about the twenty twenty race? Thank you so much for coming on Mr Hornberger. You kidding. Thank sir mind Dave I gotTa tell you how I know about you. Oh please let me know. Well I was thinking of pork fast last summer and so I arrived earlier before my talk with scheduled and it turns out that they had me sandwiched between two two of your talks middle so I started listening to you talk. I had never heard of you. I didn't know about him. I was like bold over 'cause I was expecting the standard reform kind of talk that you hear about in the Libertarian Movement. Sometimes so I turned on the guy to me and I said wow wow. This guy is really hard core and he says that day that's days fit. He really is hard core. Well well thank you. That means a lot to me and I'll tell you the reason when I'm a hardcore libertarian. Is Because I was a child of the Ron Paul Campaign. That's how I got into the the Libertarian Movement and I'm one of the things is that excites me most about you running for president on the LP ticket is that I think we could create a lot more children of Jacob Hornberger campaigns and really. That's what it's all about. I know that's what everything you've been doing has been about for for decades. It's educating people convincing people that liberty is the way to go and I feel like there's no better way to do that than to have somebody who's passionate who's unapologetic uncompromising and really believes in human liberty. Well it's interesting. You mentioned Ron Paul. Because Ron is one of my real life heroes a man in the freedom movement I went up when he ran for president. Two Thousand Thousand Eight. I went up to New Hampshire and actually went door to door knocking on doors and dropping literature off on his behalf and then I gave two speeches during his this campaign. And and you know I've listened to Ron give a lot of talks but I don't remember specifically Vermeille things he says. All I know is that when he starts talking my heart starts thumping a little bit because he he talks about liberty and you can tell that though the libertarianism just exudes through him so as part of my campaign nine launched. A new book called my passion for Liberty which details how. I discovered libertarianism. What are the core principles of libertarianism? It tells people so why. Libertarianism is the really only practical solution to the crises Democrats and Republicans Force It on our nation and it was a big honor that Ron Iran has written the introduction to that book and that book. My Passion for liberty is available on Amazon. Well it's that's great and I highly recommend people go Go grab grab that and and read it. It's like so many people that I know in the Liberty Movement like Myself of course Tom. Woods Scott Horton so many really passionate Libertarians -Tarian are very excited. About the fact that you're running for president and so much of that is because since Ron Paul we just haven't had a true passionate passionate hardcore libertarian. Running talking about these ideas you've had some people who are okay on certain issues. Some people who lean libertarian in in certain issues but but not in others. But it's just so great to have somebody up there who's like no. I'm bringing the whole package. The whole philosophy. This is the way to go and it is the truth. Is that Liberty Liberty it throughout human history really right. The struggle between tyranny and lie and liberty has been the greatest struggle so many of our problems are just due to the fact that the state is interfering in every aspect of human affairs particularly in two thousand nine hundred and soon to be two thousand twenty United States of America. Oh you're absolutely right. I mean you know. We're living in really a very dysfunctional society. And when President Trump says says it wants to make America great again he just doesn't understand that you cannot have a great nation unless you have a free nation and and so. That's our first challenge Angelique Libertarians. No we don't live in a free country. The state is everywhere controls every aspects of our lives at takes our money in forces us to be good in carrying with it puts us in jail for ingesting. The wrong substance it's it regulates the most minute aspects of our lives it has engaged in these Foreign Wars and assassinations and torture of for at least the last three or four decades and so we ended up with this society. Where everything's messed up healthcare's messed up so securities messed up? Everything's messed up and people are starting to sense that that there's something wrong in this society. You got suicide suicide rates. Soaring you've got people unexplained committing unexplainable acts of violence got massive drug addiction. I I suggest that all of this is rooted in what you just said that the state is intervening in our lives and people falsely believe it's freedom so if they start listening to US Libertarians. And I think a lot of people are because they're figuring out something's wrong with this society and we libertarian. Know what's wrong with the society. They've destroyed our freedom. And but if we regain our freedom that's the road to Peace Prosperity Liberty Harmony and morality. That's the the only key is how do we achieve that free society. And that's what comes with ideas running for office and as you say educating people who want to be educated on on what does it really mean to be free if I had my druthers fire. Were accorded the honor of this nomination. The Libertarian Party nomination I would my question would be to have every American family debating two things. What does it really mean to be free? What is a free society really mean and number two? What is the role of government in a free free society and I think if people were debating and discussing that issue we'd be doing some making some real progress toward achieving a free society? Yeah it seems like the the question of what the proper role of government ought to be never even really comes up in the national conversation to use a term that I'm not You know particularly fond of but nobody every inserts that. Except you know Ron Paul really was the only one I can think of. But you're absolutely right in the fact that the what what what we do have going for us is that people on a very deep level I think perhaps even on a spiritual level people sense that something is wrong in this nation and and that's why so many people are flocking to the populist left the Ao sees. The the you know Bernie Sanders the populist right kind of Donald Trump Steve Bannon because they do say these things like make America great again and this corruption they do. It seems like people do sense that the country is is more dysfunctional functional. More polarized than than people can really remember it being in recent history and I would agree with you that it seems that this coincides with the government getting bigger and bigger and bigger and. I don't think that's a coincidence. I mean people have very different views throughout our society the incredibly different views but they don't feel a need to like fight a culture war. I've used this example before on the show but like I'm a Jewish person. I live in New York City. I can go outside and stick my hand in the air and a Muslim guy. WHO's driving a yellow cab will pick me up and drive me home and I give him some money and he says thank you God bless and I say thank you sir have a good night and we move now? We have very different views. Like really really fundamentally different views about the world world and I'm sure if we sat down and went through every view he hasn't every view I have. There's a Lotta conflict there but it's we're operating in the marketplace. I WANNA ride home. I'm he wants some money. We were we cooperate and we work together. We don't need to fight a culture war but when the war is over who takes control of the state and then rules is over the rest of us. Then it's almost like the only the only option you have is to to be at each other's throats and I think that's what you see with the trump hillary and now trump verse whoever ever the terrible Democrat. He'll be running against welby right and and I. I don't think it is a coincidence that you have this ever ever tightening screw that the federal government's tightening on people and all the dysfunctionality in society. And you know you've got these two major parties and the mainstream press and they themselves act like there's this huge differences between the party philosophical differences and so forth. There's actually no difference. Aw between the two major parties not philosophically. They're on the same page in their battle is over. Who's going to get to control it over the next four years who's going to get the the point the bureaucrats and the diplomats and who's going to get the largest and the defense contractors and so forth but notice that in terms of structure in system system? They both believe in things. Like Social Security Medicare Medicaid Foreign interventionism the national security establishment. The drug war. Are you know the Federal Reserve. We could go on and on and so their battle is really over. Who's going to control it? It's a it's a case of musical chairs. We Libertarian. Come in and saying look that is your problem. You've got a bad system here what we libertarians called the welfare state and the warfare state. And that if you want a prospering harmonious society the kind of society. You're talking about like when you get into the cab with this. This Muslim driver we we can have that kind of life internationally. You bring all the troops home from everywhere you stop them from killing people intervening in the affairs of other countries. I will guarantee you that is and you unleash the private sector you lift all the embargoes all the sanctions. All the trade wars and you just unleash the private sector after bring the federal government sector home restore a limited government republic which was the founding governmental system of our country which is the opposite of a national security state. The private sector is our biggest best diplomats in the world. The world allows American tourists. They love American businessmen. Osman they love American trade groups cultural groups. Then once you unleash the private sector to interact with people of the world now you're talking about that kind kind of harmony that you have with your taxi driver friend now does that mean there's GonNa be no more conflicts and wars around the world of course not but what it does does is. It doesn't embroil the American people in all of these conflicts around the world so sometimes when we talk about bringing the Troops Home Democrats Republicans and say. Oh that's isolationism. Well that's ridiculous because if you're unleashing the private sector to interact with the people of the world that's the exact opposite of isolationism. So we went to rain in the government unleash the private sector. They WANNA do the exact opposite they wanNA unleash. The troops the Pentagon the CIA the NSA and then wall in the American people with sanctions embargoes. And the like. That's the root cause of this problem. The second part of the root is that a lot of Americans uh-huh don't realize that this is not freedom. They've been indoctrinated with the fact that they live in a free society. My favorite quote is a quote by Johann. Gert it's perfectly encapsulates. The plight of the American people it says non or more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe. They're free now if people can break through that. And that's what we've broken through. And so if we libertarians can breakthrough anybody can break through. And I figured that if I broke through. Because did I used to believe I lived in a free country. But once people achieve that breakthrough day then we got a shot at achieving a free society. The problem today is while people know. I know there's something wrong. They don't know what it is because they still believing that all this welfare warfare state and this tightening of the screws that the federal government is doing on the American populace is the opposite of freedom. Yeah I mean I think that's exactly right and it's funny to hear you know it's because I remember you know Ron Paul getting getting Labeled with the term isolationist and it's really just so absurd. It's almost something out of a cartoon. The idea that you would say like if if somebody was proposing like you lived in a house and someone was proposing. I think we should You know invade the House next to us and shoot up a bunch of people and you said I. I don't think we should do that. And they went so you never want to interact with anybody. You're just an isolation you like. I'm not saying we shouldn't maybe go over for dinner or invite them over. I'm saying like let's not murder innocent people yet. This is well. I guess you just don't want to interact with people at all I. It's really absurd But that is the world that that we live in and I I guess to me personally. There's no more important issues than than the wars I mean in in the philosophical abstract. There's nothing nothing worse that the state does then commit mass murder. I mean I I dislike just about every government program but if there's one that involves killing a lot of innocent people that's got to be the worst one and were in in the current real world situation that we're in we're involved in the two longest wars in American history Plus about four other ones ones that that trump inherited from Obama and his continued to fight. Not One of them has one ounce of success. It's been nothing but a disaster. I mean look look like there. There are been some wars in the past where they get really really bloody but you could maybe argue. There was some successes here. They're not one of the post nine eleven wars has any any has one inch of success. I mean the Taliban controls Moorland in Afghanistan today than they did in two thousand one Iraq has just been nothing but a disaster Libya Abia Mike. God I mean it's it's just a failed state. Yemen is the according to the u n the number one humanitarian crisis in in the world was a million cases is of Colorado. I think it's I just babies dying just the the most horrific stuff you could imagine. Syria is just now starting to to get a little bit better because does America is gave up on arming. The the Anti Assad moderates as they call it every one of these wars the disaster and at least one thing that seems like kind of a silver lining in all of this nightmare is that most people in America seem to be done with these wars. I mean trump trump ran on ending. Them hasn't done any of that even today. With the pro war candidates. They all seem to be like well. I do WANNA get out of these wars. We just have to do it in a responsible way. You know. That's the new. I WANNA stay in Afghanistan as well. I want to leave but we have to do it in a responsible way. Does it seem like maybe to you you with the warfare. State people are at least waking up realizing that this is just the. There's no good has come of any of this stuff. I don't think there's any question about it I mean if there's one area where I think the American populace is going against the Democrat. Republican tied its foreign policy. And what you outline so true and and you know how do you even define winning you define it. By how many people you kill and this this idea of oh well we have to get out on our terms. It reminds me of the peace with honor that was used in the Vietnam War were they. They sent fifty eight thousand of my generation to their desks for nothing. We know soldiers died absolutely nothing. And that's what soldiers dying for right. Now they're dying for nothing. Trump goes over there on a secret. Little three three hour visit. Imagine if this is the Pentagon's had eighteen years to produce this this paradise of Enduring Freedom or perpetual freedom whatever they call it in Afghanistan and the president has to sneak in the dead of night without telling anybody because those Taliban are dangerous Ambriz. So they've got the commander in chief sneaking in doesn't even spend the night there with the troops sneaks in for three hours then van Moose's back to watch it and leaves the troops oops there. I mean he's had three years to bring them out and that's what he should do. He should just order the Pentagon. Pull them out now. They've killed enough people. They've died enough that it's time to just end this thing. But he's had three years. He's got troops still in Iraq. He's got troops still in in Syria. He's got a The cooperation with the Saudis Killing people in Yemen as you pointed out he's even said troops into Yemen and now he's threatening to send troops into Mexico. Oh He's going to convert the drug war until like the war on terrorism. That's going to be a real nightmare. He's thread war with Iran. He's thread war with North Korea. When we talk about not interventionism Dave? This is not exactly what I mean by non interventionism. Yeah no absolutely right. And of course in in some ways trump Talks a good game with with the the wars. But if you if you measure his actions there's he's he's been bad on every single one of them and like you said he's had three years at this point and this is the one area of of government policy where there's really no excuse for the president. Yeah I mean. He's the commander in chief. He can argue. Oh I really WanNa do something else. But I can't get it through Congress but he doesn't need any congressional approval to end these wars and he. I promise the American people blatantly that he was going to do that. So absolutely. You're right I mean he he really. It's it's unforgivable. The fact that he's it's not ended a single one of these wars and actually escalated Several of them And and I I agree with you that it's the I think. The American people are or closer and closer to being with us on this issue. There might be some other issues that there are a little sceptical about embracing liberty in. It's true sense but on on this one I think people are really starting to get it in and of course. Look it's not even like we're making some moral argument. It's not like like I've made this comparison before it's not like you're going and robbing somebody and you get this money from them. So you're like. Hey I rob this person. I got money and we're trying to say. Hey this is wrong like you shouldn't rob from other people. You were bleeding ourselves into bankruptcy and we got what is it over twenty soldier Suicides Day people coming back wounded were were killing innocent people and it's it's nothing but a cost. I mean the only people who are benefiting from this are like the I I don't know the Lockheed Martin or something like that or the power of the the deep state but there's no there's no benefit for the American people and I think they're starting to realize that more and more so that's that's something we got going for us well and trump help us out with this because as you say in his campaign rhetoric he made it clear that these are bad wars undertaking place and and he was going to pull out and so what he's saying to the American people as. Hey we need to get out but the fact is that for some reason he has a not this. Maybe Abia a testament to the power of the generals the Pentagon the CIA but hey he's surrounded himself with generals and he brings John Bolton into his administration ministration and he brings all these generals into his administration and so if the generals are in charge. Here trump bear some of the responsibility for that. But as you point out he is the commander in chief of the armed forces all he has to do issue. An order withdraw those troops now and he hasn't done on that and and my hunch is that he's not going to be doing it before the election and he needs to be held to account for the irony is the Democrats who used to be considered the knicks they become bigger warmongers than trump. And some. It's amazing that they think that's the only reason they're adopting that physicians because they think Americans want them to be warmongers but my hunch is they're they're taking a whole different. Read a wrong read of of the American temperature. I think most people are now saying enough is enough because let's face it day of all the people they've killed over there for the last twenty years thirty years. None of them was coming to come over and conquer the United States. I mean these are all civil disputes over there. You know like a civil war or war between between factions or a war between nation states. None of them involves an invading power of the United States. So all those people over there that had been killed and we don't know what the exact number is but we gotta stay focused on that too. It's not just the troops that have died. My Hunch. Is that a lot of reason. The troops are coming back really messed up mentally committing suicide and so forth is that I think they realize conscious subconscious level that. They've killed a lot of people that really they shouldn't have been killing. I think you're absolutely right and I think that's such an important point to head on. I think that this was to me. I think this is also a big part out of a The the Vietnam War vets coming back. And how messed up they were and just how much it destroyed the country and pitted the country against each other so many of the people who are like traditionally conservative Hate the kind of cultural revolution of the sixties and how so much of the kind of a traditional American lifestyle was torn down. But they don't make the connection that the Vietnam War played a huge role in this and and from my perspective it seems like look in World World War Two. I mean. Obviously there's it's it's not as simple as like the mainstream corporate press will make. It seem like we were just the good guys and obviously we were partnered with Joseph. Stalin obviously America's involvement in World War One and enforcing the treaty of cy on the German people. And there were all types of mistakes aches and horrible horrible. Things that happened that led to World War Two. But it was pretty easy when you're going against the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese to feel like you were the good guys you know to feel like okay. We weren't on the wrong side of this but in Vietnam and all of these post nine eleven wars. It's just so obvious that we're not the good guys here. And I know this is like a silly collectivist way of thinking but you have to you have to get people in like a believing in this mindset mindset that. We're the good guys in order to commit these acts of violence and I think that you're you're really onto something part of the reason. Why so many of these people fall apart? Art is because it's just so obvious. It's so obvious that we're just going into someone else's country who pose no legitimate threat to us and killing a bunch of innocent people and it's hard for any. I know this is why the troops active duty military sent more money to Ron Paul than all of the other candidates combined because because they know better than anyone that they're like look we invaded some other country with guns. Of course they started shooting back at us and it's just tragic. They're the pawns pawns. All right guys. Let's take a quick second and thank our sponsor for today's show which is blue. Chew you can grab some over at Blue Shoe Dot Com blue offers men performance enhancement for the bedroom and it blew dot com. You can get the first chewable with the same active ingredients as Viagra. NC Alice chewables can work faster than pills up to twice as fast asked and the troubles from Blue Shoe can be taken on a full or empty stomach. The online physician consultant is free. So it's cheaper than those other two and it only takes a few minutes to connect with a Blue Chew Dot Com affiliated physician. And if you qualify you get prescribed online quickly. 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Mantra that the real friends of the troops of those of those of us who have been fighting never to have sent them into Afghanistan in Iraq in the first place and then after they were sent there and we libertarians have been consistently signed. pull out pull them out and Iraq's your perfect example example. I mean here was a country that had never attacked the United States. And so you send these troops I mean if you take a day for example a serial killer. He's got his conscience punches so buried that he can go out and kill. A bunch of people doesn't bother him a bit because conscience is so deep down in a way. Hey that it doesn't bother him. But you take your average soldier Sergeant Private Lieutenant Captain Scott a family. These guys use the women that go to church. Their conscience is right there on the upper level and so you send them into a country and say kill or be killed against people that have never attacked the the United States and so all of a sudden. They're people who are defending their country from a foreign invader. They're called the bad guys for defending their country against this illegal invader later unconstitutional invader and the soldiers put in a position while. I don't have a choice. I'M GONNA have to start killing all these people who are firing at me. How can that not affect person and of deep Christian or Jewish faith that has a conscience? That knows. It's wrong to kill. I don't I don't see anybody can be put in that position and not have it adversely affect them when they get home. Yeah it's really. It's just so tragic the way that That that kids are propagandized and bribed into the military and lied to and get sent over there. I mean the whole thing it's tragic For the innocent people are killed over there but it's also really tragic for so how many of these guys who who join up in the military because they well first off a lot of times. They probably don't have that much opportunity in their life and they feel like well. Okay this is going to get my college paid for war and all and and and put me on a path to a better life and they buy into this propaganda like we're defending freedom and all of this stuff and and yeah it really. It really is just Just a tragic situation. The only silver lining is that. It's gone so bad that it's hard for people to not wake up at this point in one thing that we can learn learn from the The Donald Trump Presidential campaign and him being elected is that he did you know He. He did say a even in South Carolina in the Republican primary. He stood up and said George W Bush lied us into the war in Iraq. And I think a lot of this the the reason why the audience audience was receptive to that. I think Ron Paul deserves some credit for the groundwork that he laid in those Republican primaries in two thousand eight and two thousand twelve but people were willing to hear that message and I think a lot of those guys. You know if you're talking about a Republican primary in South Carolina. A lot of those people bought into the war in Iraq at the time and they've seen the results of it and they were like you know what I know. I got Jeb Bush. And Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio onstage. But I'm going with this guy who says that We we never should have fought. This were to begin with and obviously Donald Trump. Hasn't you know Look if he had come in and kept his word on that and ended all of these wars. Maybe we wouldn't be we. We'd be a lot the easier on him. And maybe you wouldn't be running for president but the truth is he. He didn't and all these wars are still going on. But at least we can learn from that that people are more and more open So this idea. So there's some real hope there that's absolutely fascinating point and and raise another really fascinating point that WanNa raise and that talk about and that is the these young guys that are lured and young women that are lured into the military in large part. Because they need jobs they need economic opportunity. And that then intersects with what the government totally is done to the economic conditions in America out of control spending sucking three trillion dollars out of the private sector to finance gigantic welfare state and the war. I date a locking people out of the labor market with economic regulations. So they corner people into not having an economic opportunity and so what the have left. Well let me go join the military. And so they go into the join the military because they've been left with no effective choice some of them go into the drug trade because of the huge black market prices that illegality produces but either way they're being funneled by by virtue of the fact of what the government has done in its totality as you point out earlier you know twenty three trillion dollars in debt president. Trump's adding another trillion and this year to it you know how can this end nicely and unfortunately as you point out. The young people say well. I don't have any other really affected choice. I'm going to go join the military and then I get sitting into these wars where they're killing dying really for nothing. Well as you mentioned Obviously the debt is really a just. It's seeming more and more insurmountable and just unsustainable and you are one of the things that really separates rates you from other people. Even within the Libertarian Party or Libertarians. Who have run for President before is that you don't mince words about the entitlement programs and you just say look look? We got to abolish Medicare. We got to abolish social security. These programs are unsustainable they've got trillions unfunded liabilities in the disasters they distort the the market and we got to get rid of them and that is something that is they. Everybody's always been saying. That's the third rail in American politics and you can't talk about it but I gotta think at this point. Hasn't every third rail basically been touched already and some people are still alive to speak about it. So why not. Why and not? Just be honest. If we're libertarians. And say yeah. We got to abolish these programs. I mean who it's like. These Republicans claim there for small government. But we don't WANNA cut military military spending and you can't touch entitlements and it's like well then you're not touching anything in the government. I mean. That's it pretty much. The whole government is military spending and entitlements. So let's be honest about this. We got to roll back these programs abolish them absolutely. And and for me though. It's a moral issue We we. We got a lot of religious people in this country. They go to church or the synagogue or go to the mosque. Whatever and yet here we have this system that this based on mandatory charity now? How do you reconcile mandatory charity? With God's gift of Free Will God trusted trusted the people he said. I'm going to best in you. Free will you're gonNA decide whether to honor your mother and father if they get cancer in their old age whether you're going to help them out when they have that sickness or when they have financial difficulties and guard affectively says I trust you. Okay Caesar comes into the the process and says God made a mistake that that he should never have trusted people because young people are bad people they will not take care of their parents given given that choice and so we have to have a safety net we have to force them by taking their money and to the social security is there's no retirement summit fund it's never been a retirement fund. It's a straight welfare state program that's funded by taxes. And so my position is what we need to do is recapture in this country. A faith in ourselves a faith in others of faith in in in the freedom that you really can't trust young people social security. He's a great big insult to young people. It's saying you young people are bad. You wouldn't take care of your parents if you had your own money and you you had the right to spend your your money the way you want to force you to do it. Why do people? Why do young people put up with this? Insult what I WANNA do. I WANNA invest young people with the opportunity opportunity with their own money and they make that decision now. Well every young person go out help parents in times of need of course not but that's what freedom's freedoms of all about the right to say no but that's when we turn to church groups that's when we turn to voluntary charity groups. So my system or the libertarian system is based based on a concept of freedom and voluntary charity and free markets as compared to one based on mandatory charity. Same thing Dave with with healthcare. It is not a coincidence. That our healthcare system of got destroyed when Medicare and Medicaid were were created. That's the cause of the problem. This is what nobody wants to face is that we had the finest healthcare system in the world in history. Healthcare costs were low. They were stable. They were like going to the grocery grocery store. Nobody had major medical insurance. I mean how many people have grocery store insurance to protect against soaring grocery store prices but doctors. There's were given free treatment to the poor. I grew up in one of the poorest cities in the country. Doctors offices were filled every day and half the people there could pay doctors. Doctors never turned him away because they felt this was ethical and moral obligation. That's what I'm fighting for in order to restore a healthy. Ah Free Market Health Care System. You've got to get rid of Medicare. All of these reform plans will not work. It is an inherently defective system. And so once you realize that you say well if it's inherently defective the matter what worn comes up with her plan or Bernie Sanders or anybody comes up with a plan. It's not gonNa work then. You're only solution is to say let's try freedom and that's why the moral issue as well. It's the practical issue that freedom really does work. And it's incumbent come on US Libertarians. To convince people that freedom works if we libertarians have doubt over whether freedom works. How do we expect other people to believe that freedomworks? No you're you're absolutely right and and it's like why not it. You know once you start pussyfooting around these issues and go well maybe we you know you no and this was a again and I don't want I don't WanNa put you on the spot to criticize other Previous nominee is in the libertarian party. But this was my criticism of the Gary Johnson and campaign was when he would say. Hey I think we should legalize pot and they'd say but what about heroin Maybe not heroin and then it's like well now it just seems like you have no principles and you're just going with what's popular instead of just being like. Hey I believe in something and I'm going to tell you the American people what it is. I believe in and try to persuade them and even if it takes me into issues. That could be unpopular in certain demographics. Look man Medicare and everybody should. Whether you're on the left or the right. You should be four. Repealing these entitlement programs if you're on the left okay the maybe in some ways you support redistribution of wealth. The idea would be from rich people to poor people. Both social security is redistributing wealth from a poorer group to a richer group. I mean who who on the left has ever said therefore that young people have way less network then then the retired do so why should they bear this burden. And if you're on right and you care about family values and religion. Is You invoked before it's like well look. The government comes in and destroys these bonds of the families taking care of families. They put the church you know on the back burner they put community on the back burner. And now everybody's relying on the state. This is no matter. What what your perspective is? You should get it and the other thing that just and it just goes to show dishonest all of the Corporate Press and the political establishment is. Is that by the way whether you agree. With Jacob Porn Burger and Dave Smith or not the programs are insolvent there's tens of trillions thousands of dollars of unfunded liabilities. They it cannot continue this way no serious person. WHO's in their twenties? Thinks that there's going to be Medicare or social security for them. You're paying into a forced ponzi scheme. It's worse than a Ponzi scheme. Because you know there's a gun at your in your ribs so everybody should be willing to talk about about this absolutely and you know and the point you're really making also is that people have become dependent on this. This is what the welfare welfare-state does. It's like a narcotics. Say once you get on it it's like oh my gosh I could live without it. I think of all the people that will die in the streets if we were to abolish these programs programs so the the concept is always will. Let's reform it. Let's reform at it as you point. Asked me if you look at the national debt twenty three trillion dollars that does not include the unfunded liabilities. And so you've got a huge amount of money that young people are on the hook for. But everybody's got this mindset of all my gosh. We're now now we're on. This era was his political heroin. We can't get off it. Well nonsense you have to get off it if you're going to establish a healthy society there's there's no other way the best way to do it with hair was that's best way here. What's the best way to do? Is I- cigarette smoking goal. Coal Turkey just repeal these programs great now and then you believe in freedom. Lot of seniors. Don't even need the money. They're very wealthy people so they would do very well without social security. There are people well who genuinely need help. Okay now. Children have a lot more money at their disposal the keeping all their tax money funding this program. You don't have to pay this huge social security thirty bureaucracy anymore Church groups now have more money community groups have more money. But that's where we need to rely on on the on the concept of voluntary Terry charity and another point. You raise a very interesting about the the drug issue in this debate has been going on in a larger. Sense in the Libertarian Movement. For a long time is should we settle for legalizing marijuana well. Milton Friedman the Libertarian Nobel Prize winning economists he was dealing with occupational licensor and arguing arguing. Why it should be abolished? And he said you know I can deal with you know I could focus on like hairdressers or shoeshine people. But instead I'm going to take the toughest is case. And he took the case of doctors to why we need to abolish occupational licensure for doctors because he said if people can understand the toughest case everything falls into place and so that s as in is booked capitalism and freedom. Well that's what we do with drugs. It's not enough to to legalize marijuana. You got to legalize heroin. Cocaine Meth opioids every single substance based on freedom. Because it's none of the government's business what people put into their mouths and because this war is so destructive to our liberties it is the most racially bigoted government programs segregation and it needs to go entirely not just with marijuana with all drugs so when we make that case then I think people are able to better understand where we libertarians. Return are coming from. It's not that we're saying. Hey we hope everybody goes out and takes drugs. We're talking about what does it mean to live in a free society. 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So if you are if there's not social security and instead we're trusting young people and giving them the freedom to to hope that they'll take care of their parents when they're an older age will now all of these incentives kind of line up. It's like well you I wanna take really good care of your kids and you wanna be really loving to them and you WANNA be a part of a church and you want to be a part of the community because you needed. It's like in your own self interest in this. This helps cohesiveness and I think when the state comes in it destroys so many of these institutions it destroys our common culture. It destroys our common traditions nations. It destroys churches communities all of these things. And when you destroy all of these things guesses that this also leads to human despair and the rise in things. He's like addiction. So I think it's really all related and you know I mean like what you were saying about alcoholism in the Soviet Union. It makes perfect sense to me of course if you don't have any if you don't have these these voluntary institutions then then yeah human beings were were not made to be isolated. We're not made to be without Out Family and community. I think that's an absolutely fascinating insight and I think you're right on. I think you're you're really onto something here that that with this massive state involvement in people's lives they crowd out the the the the values that most of old deer that compassionate there's a cynicism that starts setting in. Why should I help that person? The government's already doing it. Or why should I donate to that university. The government's already doing and and and then the more the money. The government takes US indirectly through inflation with the Federal Reserve or directly with taxes. It gives us less opportunity to to do the right thing. So the crowd out these values as they suppress these values. I I totally agree with you. 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So when people say oh you hate the government no no I. Don't I hate the things that government is doing that. It should not be doing and I favor. Like a limited government republic that was the type of the government structure that the framers called into existence with the constitution that totally changed after World War. Two the federal government was converted into what we know is a national security state consisting of the Pentagon the CIA and the NSA to a certain extent the FBI that is totalitarian form of governmental structure. North Korea's here's a NASCAR STATE CUBA'S NASCAR STATE RUSSIA China Egypt and Post World War Two United States. So what I WANNA do is dismantle the national security purity state structure but I wanNA preserve of limited government republic. And then I want to be talking in terms of what does it mean to be free. What should government be doing? Should it be deep putting people in jail for ingesting the wrong subs- I say no should it be interfering with peaceful economic transactions between people. I say no. Should it be forcing people to be good caring and Compassionate. Now that doesn't mean that I hate the government if beans am opposed to the government doing things that it should be doing. Yeah what what. What but Ron Paul used to always say was that the proper role of government is the protection of liberty and nothing more and nothing less I mean. That's that's what they're they're to do and that's that's what the founders You know understood or at least wrote about I guess some of them you know Weren't the best once they got power at at Enforcing that. But I think you're right right and the national security state stuff. That's another thing that's really changed in the last The last three years or so with everything that's been going on with donald trump and the mullahs or investigation. And now this impeachment with the the quote whistle blower who seems to be a CIA operative. It seems like Libertarians. We were talking about at this kind of secret. Government of unelected spies and bureaucrats and at and how much you know ungodly authority they wield but now this is kind of popularized Bueller is like the term. The deep state is out there and they're not even really hiding it anymore. It's just kind of like yeah. I sixty minutes in Andrew McCabe goes. Yeah Yeah we basically had a discussion at DOJ about whether we should invoke the twenty fifth amendment or whether we should go with a special prosecutor or how how exactly exactly. We're going to get rid of this guy and there is something that I find interesting but also kind of exciting that at least the the deep state isn't so deep anymore and now they're kind of just out here talking about it and you for whatever problems you may have with with anyone else. I mean th th these guys were elected by no one and they they can lie us into wars they can just start wars. They can attempt to overthrow elected elected presidents. I mean this is something and nobody. You seem to be one of the only people I hear again. Even the Libertarian Party. One of the only people I've ever ever heard say since I I actually don't remember sint. I remember in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Ron. Paul saying. This on the Libertarian Party. Forgive me if somebody else has. I don't remember but you abolish the CIA. Abolish the deep state. We don't need these organizations. They are antithetical to the principles of the Free Society. If if you live in the National Security State Society you're not free that's automatic because this this is essentially a fourth branch of government and it is the most powerful Arthur branch of government. George Wash said government is forced. This is where the force of the federal government is concentrated. Okay that you've got some marshals that are that are armed armed in maybe some agricultural agents or senator arm but here you've got a massive military structure you gotta see Ya with the power to assassinate including assassinate Americans. Pentagon's got power to to take Americans into custody lot of Americans don't realize that these are all totalitarian powers that had come into existence post World War Two. You've got the NSA conducting massive surveillance schemes. Nobody could be certain in this society that the NSA is it monitoring telephone calls and emails. I mean you just you just don't know that is not a free society when you've got to be thinking about that. Possibility that is is not a free society and our founders day could have brought a national security state into existence if they had wanted to but I guarantee you that at the constitutional convention invention after they met and they they were there to amend the articles of confederation and they come out with this new plan if they had said we are proposing you hugh the American people a government. That's going to have the power to assassinate you torture. You take you a military custody star wars whenever we want survey Aliou spy on you. They would have just laughed. I said what's the joke here. They never would have approved the type of governmental system that we have. And so I say if you want a free site this is what I'm telling Libertarians and if I were accorded the not the honor of being the nominee tell the American people. If you want a free society there are certain prerequisites to achieving that and one of these is restoring limited government republic the others. We've talked about dismantling the welfare state pro grabs the regulatory state programs the drug war and so forth. But if you want a free society you gotTA ditch this totalitarian governmental structure the whole military industrial throw complex that Eisenhower talked about and you've got to restore a limited government republic with powers that are limited enumerated in the constitution itself because this this Fourth Branch of government it has different and powers Mannequin essentially. Do Anything when you've got the power to assassinate your own citizens. What bitter what bigger powers that day? Yeah and it's it'd be one thing like maybe there'd be an argument for them if they were even good at what they claim to do. I mean they they're saying like will you have to give us all of this. Ungodly to Tallaght -tarian power but will be the Central Intelligence Agency but when when it comes to their actual intelligence at least what. They claim they've been wrong about pretty much everything that's big. I mean they didn't see the fall of the Soviet Union coming. They didn't see the fall of the Shah. In Iran coming they thought Saddam Hussein was sitting on a stockpile of nuclear weapons or something like that they get all of these decisions wrong. They thought Qaddafi if he was about to go genocidal. We're just finding out from the latest wikileaks dump that it looks like they got off the intelligence on Syria completely wrong and it looks like there may not have been in a gas attack at all and if when you listen to these people you you you start wars based on false information. Of course I agree with you are principled view of it you know. I think that's the most important thing. But they're not even good at what they claim to be. Good at and I gotta say in addition to that. I do think that I would think that there's gotta be An opening for trump supporters to hear this pitch more than ever. We like look man. Let's say you're a big donald trump sky and you really like you you wear the Maga- hat and all that stuff it's like well. Look what the deep state did to this guy who you you were all behind right. And he was going to make America Erica. Great again and everything like that or whatever it is that that you you project onto him. It's like look at this. You've got these guys who were elected by nobody who are working to undermine him they're bragging bragging about it in the media how they're working undermine him and what is Donald Trump turn around and do he reauthorized the Patriot Act. He's not going against any of these guys so if this is such a problem well guess what it's GonNa be a problem for every president that you like Going forward if they don't if they if they don't get with the program and do whatever it is that the CIA. Ah wants them to do. So here's somebody Jacob Hornberger. WHO's actually running on dismantling this ungodly tower structure and Eisenhower talked about this in his farewell address? He says the Military Industrial Complex. He said he was necessary. Because of the Cold War. I believe the whole Cold War was a big racket. Totally unnecessary as well But let's assume that Eisenhower's right as a Cold War is over. Eisenhower said this apparatus this military industrial complex. which is really his term for the state or the national security state his eighth wrapped who are democratic processes and to our liberties and that was back in nineteen eighteen sixty or sixty one imagine? How much more powerful it is today? The real question is even if Congress decided they wanted wanted to dismantle it would the CIA permit itself to be dismantled with the NSA permit this with the Pentagon permit this because in their minds they are the essential essential key to preserving what they call national security which is a nebulous term that absolute needs nothing. It's just the license to do whatever they want. And there's another important thing that everybody should keep in mind. And this is the point that Ron Paul made in that famous. That presidential debate was when his campaign took off that the reason that we've got this whole war on terrorism and the anti-american terrorist threat is because of what the deep state has done in foreign countries as ron put it they came over here to kill us because we meaning the deep state was over there killing them and so if you bring all the troops home from everywhere which here's what I would do. Then there's no more anti-american terrorism which means you don't need the war on terrorism things start returning to normal. We don't need a TSA if we don't have all this terrorism business so we need to place responsibility where it lies. The deep state went into the Middle East. They began intervene. I mean after. They lost their official enemy. The Soviet Union and the Cold War racket and that's what produces the anger in the rage that finally manifested itself with anti-american Terrorism Nineteen Ninety three though the attacks of the World Trade Center those were in retaliation. For what the. US government was doing to the Middle East the attacks so the USS Cole. The attacks on the the embassies in East Africa and then culminating in the nine eleven attacks and then the post nine eleven attacks. It's all oriented all rooted in foreign interventionism. which is of course? What the deep states? But doing no absolutely I mean look I say it a lot on this show. It's the idea that You know what whatever it is twelve years now after a Ron Paul and Giuliani that confrontation. I can't believe we still need to make AAC this argument. And it's not something that's just just a complete. You know like obvious no brainer. I mean look. There's really only been two groups in the Middle East. It's two groups that are both suny radicals right. There is al Qaeda and Isis. Those are the guys who have have perpetrated attacks against the West and both of them were funded and armed and in the case of al Qaeda trained by the deep state. So let's stop doing that. How is this even like a difficult argument to have? It's like okay. Well what could we have done to have avoided these attacks. I don't know don't give them a whole bunch of money and weapons. That seems like a good place to start. I like isn't that like fairly. You know non controversial to say let's not give terrorists weapons and money But you know I think sometimes the truth is that for a lot of people out there they just they just need to be reminded that this is in fact what their government is done because nobody buddy in the The corporate presses is really telling them that I mean there might be one article buried on page twenty seven of the New York Times about you know how some of the weapons ended up in Isis. This is hands but nobody's really like banging that into people's heads and I think that's what that's what needs to happen so let me ask eastern. The mainstream press is on board with the whole national security stay deep state interventionism and so they effectively become assets. Were you referring to as Afghanistan's where you know the the US has oh. We'll let suck the Soviets into their own Vietnam. Let's let's get to invade Afghanistan welfare. Yeah why is that even a moral thing where you try to get another country to have another Vietnam where people are GonNa get killed in masks and then they start funding. These radical was lami groups to fight the Soviets other. NF Ghanistan those those Islamic groups become the genesis of. That's right they invade Iraq and that's how we ended up with Isis and people. Forget that all we got to fight Isis. We gotTA fight Isis. It's always just one intervention leading to another intervention to another intervention. And it's really just one answer to a day bring the troops home and stop the interventions period and unleash the private sector interact with the people of the world. Yeah that's right I say like I'm you know people. It's like a big thing on youtube where people watch those videos of when troops come home and they're greeted by like their wife or their their daughter daughter their son their girlfriend their dog these beautiful videos of when when some excuse me when some guy gets to come home and he's is greeted by his family. Let's have like Nick. You know thousands and thousands more of those videos. It's just going to be nothing but a positive thing. Let's just bring them all home. How that even the ones in the non-dangerous zones bring Liam home from Germany and South Korea? Hey do we need troops in Germany. I think the war was over in forty five. It's two thousand twenty. I think we're ready to bring those troops home. Let's let's declare glare victory in World War Two and bring bring the troops home. I I think Germany's back on. Its feet now. You know. I think Japan's back on its feet. Let's bring all of the troops home Let me ask you just on a personal level you've been of course you've been at the future of Freedom Foundation for for decades now and you've been writing a ton and and really dealing with you know the the principles and the philosophy and now you're campaigning and you're out doing that what what's it like. How are you enjoying it? Or you're having fun actually. That's a really interesting question This is This turn out to be very interesting. Are My life. I I've been advancing liberty in the educational. Hey Sean Rena for thirty years and I love it. I mean I've had a blessed life you know. There's not very many people that can say they absolutely love to go to work every day and I love it. I mean the worst. I think they could ever happen to be with is to retire because I mean I just I love going to work and get to work at six o'clock in the morning and I just can't tell you how much I love it and so but then I got to a point in my life and I started thinking. Okay you've battled these people in the educational arena for thirty years now at at the Future Freedom Foundation and before that I worked for a couple of years at the foundation for Economic Education as the program director said it's time for just throw myself bigger into this battle and and the best way to battle them directly political arena. And so I just after a lot of soul-searching I said I'm going to go you too. And I don't like politics I mean. There's there's all this the back biting the intrigue the manipulation and the backstabbing stuff that comes with politics a figured I wanNA throw myself figuring that the battle against these Democrats and Republicans who have destroyed our freedom. And why am I doing this. Well I wanNA live in a free society Dave before I pass from this earth and and I I don't know I get that I mean a lot of people have passed on without having that experience. Very Rothbart Bar Ludwig von Nieces and so forth. But I figured I'm going to try. I'M GONNA throw myself into this battle. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go for the Libertarian Party nomination the nation if I lose it then heck I go back to the future freedom. Foundation's but I figured I gotta try. And if I can win this nomination I'm going to try to win the nomination nations. Then it's GonNa be one opportunity to battle Donald Trump and whoever the Democrats put up on. What does it mean to be free? How do we achieve a free society so you just take the debate to a whole different level? So what I what I've done in the past month analysts about a month ago okay. I could've spent my time intra-party you know going to the conventions which I'll be doing because if you know the Libertarian party nominates by convention in May but I said you know I want to do more than that. I WANNA break out the party here so it turns out that the Libertarian Party is earned major party status in certain states that entitles them to participate in the primaries. And one of those states is right here next Virginia where I live North Carolina so I said okay. That's drivable. I can go down there. So that's what I'm doing fine. I have announced on my campaign website. Which is Jacob for Liberty Dot Com that I want to win the North Carolina primary and I went to win it big in two thousand sixteen gene? Gary Johnson got twenty five hundred votes in that primary well to put things in perspective. Hillary Clinton got seven or eight hundred thousand Donald. Donald Trump got seven or eight hundred thousand. Okay I want like quadruple. The number votes the Gary Johnson got in and so it's a nonbinding primary but nonetheless. This gives me a chance to do what I like to do. I like the campaign I like to interact with people. So I'm I'm down there campaigning. Among a large part part African Americans and went to the bus station in downtown Raleigh just introducing myself to people and giving them a campaign card like a little combination card brochure. That tells who I am. It has got a quote there in Jim. Crow mass incarceration and the drug war the most racially bigoted government programmed in history instance segregation nation. And so everybody was so kind to me either. All Poor African Americans engage him in conversation and there were just so kind and we talked politics politics and then I went. I've been to African American newspaper there and I interviewed the reporter. Who wrote a story about an African American guy? They got a two hundred year jail. Jail sentence for drug distribution. He's been in jail for thirty years. I just did an hour long interview in Spanish with a Hispanic make paper because there's a lot of immigrants there so what this is doing. Is this God me out of my office. My Ivory Tower at the future of Freedom Foundation and interacting acting with people and talking to them listening to them about what's going on in this country and and I'll tell you something I wrote on. My website is really fascinating. Those the people in that bus station is poor as they were. I would say the average education was like tenth grade or something they had a better insight into. What's going on in this country then you're Highfalutin College Graduate Columbia Princeton graduate that's writing op EDS and editorials? It was fascinating. One Guy says to me Mr Hornberger were killing a lot of people over there. That really don't deserve killing sky had a tenth grade education. I mean how does he get that insight site so my point is we gotta start listening to people in the lower echelons economically of American society. Nobody listens to them and I think they have a better handle on. What's what's going on in this country? They know about the drug war talked to any African American and everyone knows how racially big it is. How the blacks are getting much higher jail sentences you go to your average well to do white person? He has no idea of the racial bigotry in this war. Now so to answer your question. These four weeks have been among the most meaningful of my life of just interacting with people as part of a campaign social media are. I'll be honest with you. I don't like it. I don't do twitter. I don't new facebook. If if I were made the nominee here I would be reaching out to non Libertarians. Saying this is what we libertarians are fighting for. And this is why we're fighting. This is why people go to these L. P. and build up the structure of the party. These are the principles. This is why we're fighting. That's what I WANNA. Yeah I do you know. As compared to sit better sending out tweets everyday. Yeah no I can. I can totally understand that and it. Is You know you. You're absolutely early right. I've I've had this experience in my life to where a lot of times people who are like the you know the more affluent more highly educated in our society you know whatever the problems with our society may be. It's working out fairly well for them and so they're not really incentivize to look at the really. You know nasty parts of this system system but even as you say it right there I mean thirty lake if you just almost like take a step back and act like you didn't know anything about the world but you had you know a basic sense of morality and you and you said we are throwing a human being in a cage for thirty years when you go like so. What did that guy do like murder a child? Hi older something I mean what. What did he stab grandmother late? And you go now. He distributed a plant that we put on our no list of the. It's like holy macro like how can anybody get away with such a just heinous -ly evil system but I guess I guess you know. Evil Systems have have lasted lasted throughout society. Because a lot of people just don't really question and evaluate them all right anyway. I WanNa say this we are all I know in. You've only been announced for a month breath. This is the very beginning of your campaign. You have gotten so many people like myself really really excited about what you're doing. I mean I know I speak for Tom. Woods and Scott Horton and a whole lot of my listeners. Man who have joined the L. P. People are trying to become delegates to to ensure that you get this nomination. I know you've only been announced for a month. I I saw recently. There was a poll online that you were dominating and you're the front runner and I I just gotTa say man. Thank you for doing this. Because it's really. It's it's a shot in the arm for a lot US real hard core libertarians. WHO JUST WANNA see somebody out there spreading the message of liberty again? We haven't had this since two thousand twelve and so Thank you so much for doing it man and I really encourage everybody to go. GO TO JACOB FOR LIBERTY DOT COM They can learn more about your campaign. Learn how to help out and Yet there's anything in closing that you you want to say the the the floor is yours. Well likes the honors. Mind David for you to say those words. I mean I've learned about you in the historic fast and and I know high highly respected. You are and know how hard core you are. So it's to have come into you. And Scott Scott Horton is my greatest fan. I mean he's disguise awesome. Yeah any friend has got a super VIP and Thomas is just been wonderful and it's just an honor to have have these hardcore guys that are support me. It's it's it's Kinda like a shock so but I know I gotta earn this thing. I don't know about that. Poll I've been to me. I'm started at the bottom of the totem pole. Everybody's been in this race long not much longer than I have been and I got a lot of climbing to do and I want to earn this. I know we need to earn this nomination. That's why I'm in North Carolina. I'm trying to show people this. This is what I wanna do to spread liberty in this land into achieve a free society. I WANNA be your standard bearer. I WANNA be your spokesman and I'm going to be present my my campaign. Motto is the campaign of Principle for the Party of principle. Because I believe Libertarianism Zahn. Only right it's the practical solution so I wanNA thank you very much for giving me the tied had to be your guest and thank you for everybody listening in and if anybody wants to come and help me and I do need some help. Financial and otherwise Please come to Jacob for LIBERTY DOT COM. Well well thank you. It's my pleasure. Open door policy anytime you want to come on the show just a let me know and we're happy to have you back. I'd love have to have you back a few times throughout the campaign to talk about the the latest You know we we didn't even get into You know the state of a politics in the Democrats mcadoo Republicans. Maybe next time. We'll talk about that a little bit. Kamala Harris is out today. Everybody so sad to see that That that drug warrior Campaign fall all the parts anyway one more time. Thank you Jacob. Hornberger really appreciate it and thanks to everybody for listening we will be back on Friday with a brand new episode. See later this is Michael Dean from the Freedom Teens. I've run websites since nineteen ninety-six and abused over a dozen web hosts in that time address hosting dot COM is the only one that hasn't hasn't broken my heart address postings up time and services stellar and their DDOS mitigation is the best. 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Dot FM get more at the daily Liberator Dot Com. Yeah you're listening to pop libertarians. podcast episode two hundred and forty five. I'm here tonight with Jared Neiderman. What up everybody fill dazzling? What's going on Day Greg? Lou Doug Stanley Hey hey guys is so number one tonight. I'm thinking Thanksgiving any anybody any interesting Thanksgiving stories that they would like to share. They'll fill. How much did you eat bro? Not that much not that much Turkey. I don't really care for the way it was this cooked my brother. My brother smoked the Turkey so just tasted like ham and You didn't like that now. I'm not a big Fan guy. Oh Yeah Dude okay. And I'm Jewish. WHOA Jesus the Torah brinker over here anyway? But I wasn't a big Fan so are just stuck to the sides hides man the mashed potatoes and stuffing all the CARBS in standard. been working out for you clearly. Clearly this is not seeing the video. You it's not good but but Managed to get into a argue with family member about politics. Yeah Oh wow well did about. It's what was the topic of of conversation. It's the stand it's weird. It's Kinda Weird. It's the standard pink. I'll help kids should be forced to go to school so that if they're not public education than they're just GonNa end up robbing my house and then the government needs to pay for it in government should government should find ever or should be taxed or there should be everyone should be taxed every transaction. It's made because we owe it to the roads and the police super attacked the roads every transact every transaction yeah so like leaving Iran's transaction it should be taxed and I told my brother I said well you know that I said we help you out with something and and like you want that you know like you pass for some you know wou