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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

05:35 min | 9 months ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"Sound Library that I pay for an Hamlin receipts so I bet your toppy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole coal all right. We are starting well for the live program. Graham worst starting a couple of minutes early so if you found us at nine minutes till three o'clock thanks for being here early for everyone else You know if you listen on the podcast or if you listen on progressive voices all will be as it normally is so i. I guess I don't even need to to to embellish that anyway here we are Well how things change right this time time. Well not to sell last night and this morning when we awoke we figured it was all over but the crying that things were going to end today in the The Senate in Peach Mint trial of Donald Trump. Because well we heard last night. Well you know what I should go into the news. I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this. Because there's so much going on let me tell you. Today show was a busy one. We've got L. E. install actually a conversation. We recorded a few hours ago and we joked a made no secret of the fact that we were taping it in the morning because I said anything and everything it could change by the time this airs and yes a lot has changed. We'll get into all of it. And then Lisa grades will join us for the last half hour or so of the program and and Lisa is A. She's a brilliant she. She's a brilliant woman and she is a great legal mind as well. She is a veteran of the Department of Justice under Bill Clinton where she was an assistant. Deputy Attorney General. She was the chief counsel for the Senate Judiciary Committee when it was chaired by Patrick Leahy her her her experience is monumental. She has been quiet for the past week because she's been dealing with. I'm she was sick and under a doctor's orders where she couldn't talk so today she's finally able to talk and share with us her thoughts on everything that's going on but let's start with the news shall we. I won't even do it live well. I won't even play the recorded. Well I'll bring as much to live have is I can and again so much has changed since this morning. I guess we should begin with the latest bombshell. Yes we knew. There would be another bombshell and sure enough. We wonder would it be John Bolton more of him is he gonNA stand by Eilly early and watch as the Senate shirks its responsibility And and goes forth and makes this into a sham of an impeachment trial L. and calls no witnesses. Well somehow Maggie Haberman and Michael Schmidt at the New York. Times got another scoop two hours ago. Trump told Bolton to help his Ukraine pressure campaign. Book says reads the headline and let me just three to you from the New York Times more than two months before he asked Ukraine's president to investigate his political opponents. President trump directed John Bolton then his national security advisor to help with his pressure campaign to extract damaging information on on Democrats from Ukrainian officials according to an unpublished manuscript by Mr Bolton quote Mr Bolton gave the instruction Mr Bolton wrote during an Oval Office conversation in early May that included. That's my drummer. Because I don't appoint handy ready. That included the acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. The president's personal lawyer Rudolph Giuliani and the White House. Council Pat Simple Loney. Who is now leading the president's impeachment defense? I want that to sink in Mulvaney. Giuliani end SIP. Aloni were all in the room. When trump told Bolton directed him as something that Jason Leopold reported months ago and was you know raked over the coals for well. He's been vindicated directed. Him Trump directed him to Investigate to to set up a meeting with your let me just finish. Mr Trump told Mister Bolton to call a lot of Mir's Alinsky. He would recently won election as president of Ukraine to ensure misspelled. Mr Zilenski would meet with Mr Giuliani. who was planning a trip to Ukraine Ukraine to discuss the investigations that the president sought in Mr Bolton's account Mr Bolton never made the call he wrote and so Adam Schiff began today's arguments which were ostensibly about the Whether or not to call witnesses with that information. Here's a little bit of it today. We were greeted needed to yet another development in the case when the New York Times reported with a headline that says trump told.

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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Dogma Debate

Dogma Debate

06:10 min | 10 months ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Dogma Debate

"Should never record a podcast at three the clock in the morning you can do that. You can do any witness. That shift wants to call then Republicans have the right to say you know what the credibility ability believability of this witnesses at issue. Let's call a bunch of witnesses. Have an opinion on whether or not you should believe him. It could go on. It could go on past the election election if they WANNA play that game. What about the two issues? We're talking about with Pam Bondi and I gotta say Dershowitz this Guy Gowdy and and Pam Bondi. They've all three while being ridiculous and absurd. They all three of suggested five. Call witnesses witnesses and we will to sounds like we might have a shot at seeing witnesses in this trial. I wonder if they say no witnesses. If they have to give a reason as to why it's not relevant in how in the hell can you say that John Bolton and left parties are not relevant witnesses and if they're not relevant how is Hunter Biden relevant. I'm almost done with this. I promise I can't keep going and professor virtue. It's that being. Of course I executive privilege in this whole issue. The constitution is clear. This is your wheelhouse. You're a former prosecutor. And he's a former prosecutor. Taylor goodness sitution gives the sole power to impeach the house. They've impeached him. Now make your case. Why would Senate Republicans want to try and do the houses job when they have failed pretty spectacular? My opinion they should and I hope my friends on the Republican side. We'll ask Adam Schiff. Why should we call witnesses? That you didn't think were important enough to call yourself. If my palm peyot is an indispensable witness. Why did you not call him? Not Go to court not short out privilege. Whoa what was my list? I would bet you a million million dollars. Mike Pompeo was on that list. Mike Pompeo was subpoenaed September twenty seventh for documents related to Ukraine. Gene pompeo failed to comply with the October fourth deadline to produce the documents. I'm blue. How can this guy say that? He wasn't called as a witness. See we go from things. Being spun in a unique way to partial truths to Absolute flat out lies. That's disturbing guys. This guy is so arrogant. Gowdy is so arrogant if the Democrats dot com on Pale with such a big deal whether they called they did call him he refused to comply. And then if you notice he says they refuse to bring it to court will what. He's what he's saying. There is after pump after he was subpoenaed and in Palm. Pale refused to comply with the Subpoena House. Democrats were going to have to drag this through the the court process and go through an entire trial just to enforce POMPEII. Oh to show up to the impeachment hearing that is a waste of time when the Senate can force him to come immediately may not be immediate. It'll be a hell of a lot faster than the Democrats could have got it done. This is discussed. This is bullshit. How can freedom of the press has been taken too far? This is this is just this is this is the audio version of the national enquirer. Just whatever the hell they I wanNA say to get people on their side he can say. Why didn't they call? Mike Pompeo even though they did with the subpoena that he ignored. How is is this possibly fair and balanced Hannity gouty? You are disgraceful liars. Why why are you doing this to people on the issue of privilege on every privileged that exist keeps you from accessing information priest? Penitent doctor patient attorney. Client every privilege keeps you from accessing information but we valued the relationship more than we do the information. It is why we have privileges if Adam Schiff wanted mulvaney Giuliani and POMPEO and boughten. He had months and months to go to court art and get a ruling that they had to talk. He didn't want that. He wants Corey and Martha and Joni Arts. And Thom Tillis to vote on these witnesses. He knows he's not going to get a conviction. Fiction wants to take the Senate so the second. Donald Trump term beginning in twenty. Twenty one is neutered because Chuck Schumer's the majority leader. And if that doesn't scare the hell out ah via nothing can scare your song and that is the point of all of this. He wants you to be afraid. He's he's directly telling the viewer if that doesn't scare you nothing. Nothing will just like Christianity they give you the fear in sell you the antidote by our bullshit to no longer be afraid of the bullshit. We told you thirty seconds ago. God that's depressing. POLIT- effect has a file.

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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

The Beat with Ari Melber

07:46 min | 11 months ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

"I'm going to fit in a break when we come back. Guiliani liane admitting to a new part of Ukraine plot. You got to hear this and I I have a very special guest. That's going to go behind the scenes with us into this Washington impeachment fight when we come back welcome back. I'm joined now by Republican congressman. Mike Johnson a member under the Judiciary Committee and Chairman of the House. GOP Study Committee. Good Evening Sir. Thanks for coming on the be great to be with you happy to have you. We always liked to get into this huge which fight obviously in Congress. This vote Wednesday. Do you think any of the evidence has come out against. Donald Trump on the issues of the alleged abuse of power or alleged obstruction of Congress are concerning Does any of it concern you or do you feel he has a clean book. ehealth going into the floor vote. I really do believe he has a clean bill of Health Health Net and this is why I say this are before. He attacked my premise. Okay I sat through fourteen hours of the house. Judiciary Committee last week. as you know hundreds of hours ago on into this but what they've produced for us is as Professor Turley said he was our expert witness in house judiciary about two weeks ago. He said this is the fastest impeachment on the thinnest evidentiary record and the narrowest terrorist grounds in the history of impeachments. This has never happened in two hundred and forty three years and I don't think there's anything there to show an impeachable offense. I don't think they have direct evidence. For that reason season I think donald trump should be acquitted. Would you look at the direct evidence. They have on withholding the money and then asking for the Biden investigation. Do you think it is wrong for a president to ask for investigation of a rival like that. Yeah I heard your previous segment and a hurt. Rob Reiner your discussion. He had with him and he said if you're digging up dirt and you're trying to affect the outcome of an election coming forward. Look none of that is in. This record is just not and if anybody watched the fourteen hours of our judiciary committee hearing where we went through every jot and tittle of the evidence. That's not there. Now let's get into that specifically which I think views here from you. Sure what do you think go of the president using his powers to get Ukraine. You investigate the Biden's and announced that you don't dispute. That was his goal. No I don't but I think there are some very important facts in the record that show the full context of that and I think I don't think you can review this in isolation. What are the important? Faxes both president trump and presidents Alinsky. He said very clearly. There was no pressure exerted. The Ukraine officials didn't know military aid was being temporarily delayed. There never was an investigation that began they. Actually they did get the military aid in fact they got the missiles they needed to properly defend themselves and they got the meeting in the White House. So let's let's go through a couple of you just mentioned several things Pentagon officials and others has testified under oath. That not only did they know. They didn't get the money they were asking about. So the fairest way to put your claims at least disputed by others under oath with with regard though to the pressure. Ukraine didn't get the money they still don't have all the money. Do you think they should get all the money. That was initially withheld by the trump administration. Which I think they should get the money? That Congress appropriated for that purpose. I do think I believe that what the president was after was some security for those funds. You Know He. He's he's famous for this Wanting to protect the treasure of American taxpayers when we send our money overseas and I think everybody should want whoever the president is to guard this. Jealously we don't I want our money. Being squandered Ukraine remember was listed as the third most corrupt country in the world so Linski came in as a reformer and the president. President trump wanted to make sure that he was genuine. Regard found that Audi related to I think people have a hard time squaring that everyone knows by. Now there's this process in place to deal with checking the corruption. As you mentioned it's mandated by law and the president's own call notes have him saying he wants the Biden embarrassment probe corruption indeed and we check this. I'm curious your response when you actually look at the call. There's zero references to corruption in the entire call. And that's the White House zone evidence and then you mentioned the money. You voted against the continuing appropriations which has many issues including the Ukraine money. So I guess I give you a chance to speak to that if Ukraine to get the money honey why did you vote against them getting it in that CR well. Are you been around this town a long time. You know that these big spending bills often are Omni buses or many many buses as we call them and there's lots of things loaded onto there. You can't take one issue in isolation we vote on large spending measure. That's the four and I just in fairness that so you were for Ukraine and getting the money you against other stuff in that vote on that bill of course Ukraine has this aggressor Russia right over their shoulder and they're an ally of ours and we do need to assist them. But I like most American citizens want to know that when we send the funds over there. It's not going to be squandered by their political corruption and there's a lot of corruption going on among that. Was this very suspect situation about Brisbane. Which is a infamously corrupt corporation and Hundred Biden gets put on the board with no experience? No background in gas. And he's eighty thousand dollars a month. I mean that does raise questions in anybody. That's looking at it objectively. I think would agree with that. Well I think that that raises two questions questions. You say raises questions if this is such an important issue to the US why not have the US. Investigative is you. I think would concede it's pretty unusual to ask a foreign government to outsource outsource to do the work and then you get into the goal was apparently and again I if ambassador solid was lying I assume the president should say so and fire him. That hasn't happened. Let's look at about asser solid and others saying under oath the goal was just to announce the investigation a dirty up. The by didn't matter whether it got got done that's their testimony. Take a look. He had to announce the investigations. He didn't actually have to do them as I understood. This was a demand that presidents Alinsky personally commit on a cable. Well news channel to a specific investigation of president trump's political rival. If they're telling the truth under oath that really undercuts. That defense with the president doesn't no because as we said in our hearing over and over you can't take out of context. Either you gotta take the full Scotland as we said. And what what. He said the only indirect evidence aside from his speculation conjecture that he readily admitted was winning. Ask the president on September ninth. What do you want the president famously? Said I don't WanNA quit pro quo. Oh I don't want anything I want this Alinsky do the right thing. That is consistent with what he's always said what he's always stood for America first idea that he has the theme that he's always objected that we wanna make sure if that's true and viewers can make up their own minds because we have a big a big country. Everyone can make up their own mind but if what you're saying is true then why not bring sauna and Mulvaney Giuliani people with the knowledge to go testify in the Senate trial cleared up under oath. Look I'm not opposed to that. I think think Manchester by I'm for all of it if you're going to have a trial it's have all the witnesses. I don't think the president's afraid of that at all but but the ultimate concern is and this is is what the ultimate answer is as well. The founders warned us against a single party impeachment because they thought it would rip the country apart. They were afraid that it would divide the people. And that's what we're seeing right now. Let's be honest if we drag the trial out and everybody already assumes that the outcome is decided going in. Does that behoove the country does it. Does it behoove us to bring hundred jobs in for questioning here. What they have to say? I can't answer that but you're on record saying you disagree with the president. He should make Mulvaney available today. No I'm saying look it's ultimately up to the Senate on the length of the trial and the witnesses that they they come to. I'm saying there's no fear of that because I don't think Mister Mulvaney or anybody has anything to High Congressman Johnson. We've been inviting you on. You've come on which I appreciate. I hope you'll come back back on the beat after your debut tonight Sir. I've enjoyed it. Ari appreciate it. Thank you very much. We're.

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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

11:37 min | 11 months ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"Is Josh Barrow. Welcome to left right and center. You're civilized yet. Provocative antidote to the self contained opinion bubbles that dominate political debate. It is the first week of November and and this week the New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high-quality battleground state polls from the Times paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders part of the message. Here is that trump's electoral college advantage appears to be widening. That is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs that continue to weaken Republicans with part of their traditional base. That may be taken away. Votes in Texas or even more votes in California Nia but in Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain close and you could conceivably see Donald trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by fine even wider margin than he lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what they need to do in this primary to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today. And how you should think think about polls so far in advance of an election but now let's bring in our left right and center panel as always. I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry editor of National Review on the right and on the leftist Sabil Rahman of dimos we also have a special guest today oil Edwards Levy who is reporter and pulling editor at Huffpost. Hello everyone hey josh hi everybody so. There were elections on Tuesday and a few states. We can talk about two thousand nineteen elections before we turn to twenty twenty And Republicans did hold onto the governorship in Mississippi By about six points nights but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state. Andy Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding. Seeding were other. Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto port of the ancestral democratic base in Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which is otherwise swung hard toward Republicans. Any any made inroads in once strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati. The suburbs also delivered for Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and and therefore full control of that state's government for the first time in decades Seville. What lessons do you see in these results as Democrats look next year so a couple of things jump out I is this is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the TRIFECTA that's GonNa change the politics and the policies that come matter that state. And when you compare Virginia Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really as strong pattern across the different states We'll see there also is a similar move happening in rural counties to in the other direction and I'm sure we'll talk about that in a moment The other thing as you know there is a grain of salt rate. It's twenty nine hundred dollars off your election. it's hard to extrapolate national trends. So it's this isn't quite the same as the precursor to twenty eighteen But it is a strong result for the Democrats rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats? It felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia. You know you had the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black face scandal with the attorney general and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Lieutenant Governor and some Democrats in the legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion that Republicans thought was very extreme outrage. The median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the steady forward march of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes this is a marshes right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for a long time. Has To do with demographic changes in the state state becoming better educated more suburban more diverse so the whole divide. We're seeing now between the suburbs and more more rural working class voters. It's something that's been going on for quite a long time. And trump has just accelerated it and he's His conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans in the suburbs especially women with the question. And I guess stresses in a little bit is whether he can do what he didn't twenty sixteen. Draw a A broadly or radioactive released easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in in the suburbs to just barely over the top again. Arielle is the national story that simple as you know. Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs and Democrats grads keep doing worse in rural areas and if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties I mean I think that is in large part. What we we are seeing across the country and you know I think that can obscure that there will always be things happening in particular race in particular level I mean new saw that in Kentucky where there were certainly considerations that were not national politics? Obviously that's the gubernatorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship is going to influence people's votes but you are seeing these broader demographic trends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more and you know. Now we'll see whether that ends up evening out and whose favor that is rich. The governors are real notes. There were some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not not the best liked person including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky. He tried to defeat Mitch. McConnell and a primary few years ago so after this close result he lost by about five thousand thousand votes. He's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were regularities. You want a free canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first of all. What do you like? He lost. What what do you make of him coming out and saying that and then also what do you make of the response to the Republican Party and Kentucky which has been mostly just sort of ignore him and say well he lost the five thousand votes is not a a lot ought in the scheme of things? But in the recount. Are- canvas sincere a scenario huge and the chances overturning that are extremely minimal basically impossible bowl so the trend we saw stacey. Abrams do Georgia as well. You lost please be gracious about it very tough thing personally as hard take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards. How you re truly the winter? When clearly weren't bill I as I hear Democrats worrying about you? Know what's is is trump to admit he lost if he loses the twenty twenty election. And this I. I've not been very worried about that. For reasons. That are are playing out on the Ground Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't lose. I didn't lose and that can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here. You know a partly. I think you know as as rich noting five thousand votes as a lot if it was five hundred votes we might see a different different situation. But also it's it's parallel to trump in that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party. Never really wanted in charge. And there's a part of them that I'm sure whereas just pleased to be done with them. Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful lesson I hope you're right Taking the model of of Kentucky I mean. Look here's the here's the challenge in some ways the the decision making factor here is GonNa be the rest of the institutional right. What the party things right? If the Party doesn't go along with it then it just just become sort of a slightly embarrassing stance on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away. In Our democracy proceeds in democracy only works if both sides recognize the legitimacy the results right and so I think that's our right. What I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios you know? They're they're such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional powerbrokers of the Republican Party disarray fall in line with the president that that's where I would put more concern right presents going to do what he's GonNa do. He always has but at what point does the rest of the party decide. You know what the rules are the rules we have We have other people can put forward in an electoral contest and we. We don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a that's a good time for us. Talk about impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense is that House Republicans are talking about I as it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine ambassador Gordon. Sunland has changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid. And so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially Ashley these guys were freelancing. Yes somehow a message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but maybe trump never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want I want to go after. All trump specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed a quid pro quo and especially in the case of Rudy Giuliani. Maybe he was even acting for his zone independent financial interests he had all these business interests. New Crane maybe he was using his position close to the president to push his own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo idea came from and the president is innocent. And I think in that context. It's worth considering a tweet. That Rudy Giuliani said this week. That looks outwardly. Defensive the president but I'm not sure it is. He says the investigation I conducted concerning twenty sixteen Ukrainian collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the the president to basically throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus. And say you know whatever these people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. I did this in my capacity as the president's it's agents. Yes I'd say a couple of things one. There's a glimmer of an opening for this defense because most the people we've heard from so far really almost all the people we've heard from so far had had what trump was thinking is second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is more Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely entirely plausible. That Giuliani and important respects was freelancing but I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine. So it's just hard to believe off that that these guys got this cooked up this idea on on their own. How how did the defense aid get withheld toward someone that too? And trump mentioned on the call talked to Rudy. which again is an indication that he and rudy are are on the on the same board on this soap a month ago? We're still pretty early. I had a theory that in my defense I offered tentatively that maybe there was the intention of a quid pro quo never really got to the Ukrainians clear. At least it got got to the Ukrainians. And I still. I know you're skeptic Josh but I think the Defense Republican senators will end up falling back on is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations and this is. This is the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But that in the Simpsons Simpson's that's a joke like as you know. Is it really good enough to say well. You know the president didn't get away with it and therefore no harm no foul. Yeah I think it any any fifth-grader recognizes just how paper thin excuses is. You know won't get you very far in in the real world and we'll get very far here. It's it's it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what Richard I mean these Excuse the freelancing. Excuse this each week. There's a new sort of angle right and and they all kind of keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff that the president and Giuliani and others keep saying on live. TV and on twitter from their own mouths so it it is kind of absurd so I know you hate this question rich but I so. This still isn't impeachable and I ask again. I wanted to because of that. Giuliani tweet because one thing that we've been talking talking about is you know what what exactly was role when the president says talked to Rudy and you had said I think accurately sometimes have presidents have unofficial envoys. They have people who are close to them who act as emissaries and that is not inherently inappropriate. That's true but again we have rudy. Giuliani saying here that that he was quote solely unquote acting acting as defense attorney to Donald Trump. which is to say that you know whatever he was doing he was not doing it as an unofficial envoy the United States he was doing it as a personal attorney?.

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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

12:30 min | 11 months ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"What a short day after what more than fourteen hours yesterday of debate this took ten minutes this morning but the out come of course not a surprise twenty three to seventeen a boat straight along party lines what was that thing at the end there with I guess it was ranking Republican Collins reserving the right to offer dissenting views just before chairman now they're gaveled it out of session yes that's just the pro forma procedures that are taken when a bill is approved by a committee and sent to the floor I it's a sign in this will not surprise you that Republicans plan to contest this impeachment when it comes to the full house next week expected a vote when the amendment process ended around eleven o'clock last night instead chairman either call that recess until ten o'clock this morning which infuriated Republicans at least they acted infuriated why did now they're not take that vote well Democrats were also unhappy about the timing because they thought they had an understanding with Republicans that the debate would wrap up about five or maybe six and they would then have the vote yesterday in pretty good times because of course the the debate yesterday it went on for more than fourteen hours but it was the same half hour debate just repeated twenty eight times out but what Republicans did was continue to offer amendments continue the debate process until eleven and at that point I chairman Nadler thought it was not a good idea to be open to the charge that they had voted in the dead of night to impeach the president so he went ahead and postpone that vote until this morning well the funny enough from the Democratic Party point of view wouldn't it have been more of a prime time show the eleven o'clock hour eastern time eight o'clock on the west coast then doing it at ten in the morning on a week day well that's I think that's entirely possible they may have a smaller audience this morning but it seems like at a more appropriate moment to do it you know after that long and contentious debate everybody exhausted the partisanship of the moment under scored I I think that Democrats saw this is something that could look bad for them that could be used in ads in attacks for them that as midnight approached they voted against president trump us so they decided to wait till this morning and ranking Republican Collins called it the most bush league play I've seen in my life postponing the vote to this morning did they really care so much or was that just more theatrical sniping at the process I think it was probably theatrics I mean for for congressman Collins I bet with the was some benefit of some clients right he could think of other things that happened during his long career there were more outrageous but if it is true that tight German Nadler did not give a courtesy heads up to Doug Collins a beforehand about what he was going to do so in that way it's just one more demonstration about how partisan distraught every single thing is now are in Washington listeners who wants to call with the reaction to the articles of impeachment getting out of committee now and heading to the house floor will talk about the time line of what happens next with Susan page as we go but does this feel like anything to you if you have feels strong feelings on either side or any question that you want to ask Washington bureau chief for USA today Susan page two one two four three three W. NYC four three three nine six nine two Susan what I expected weeks ago it happened has not happened the way I anticipated I thought the facts were so clear that the debate would quickly become framed around this was bad but maybe not worthy of impeachment instead all day yesterday the Republicans on the committee argued that the president's behavior was perfect was that a change of strategy well it was you know they strategies one of the concerns some Republicans have had is that they have at one clear strategy the approach they took by and large yesterday was the one that president trump wanted them to take up at the point when some Democrats some Republicans were suggesting that what the president did wasn't a good thing but it didn't rise to the level of removing him from office the president made it clear that that was not his view of what it happened his he was he had done nothing wrong he wanted a full throated defense are so what you saw in the southern province during a couple things yesterday one arguing he had done nothing wrong second not bother you to argue about what he did but instead racing other concerns like what did Joe Biden do when he was vice president and the sun was working for gas company in Ukraine and you also saw kicked you continue complaints about the process being unfair I think Republicans felt the that was pretty successful in at least muddying the waters about what it was exactly that the president did when it came to Ukraine and why Democrats felt it warranted impeachment and just journalistically speaking these are mostly arguments the ones that defend the president's behavior that defy the known facts so many witnesses and text messages show eight in a White House meeting conditioned on announcing the investigations but the Republicans were arguing they weren't they say trump withheld eight out of concern about corruption overall but there's no evidence of that only that he and his people kept pressing for the announcement of investigations they say Joe Biden work to get the Ukrainian prosecutor who is investigating sons company fired as if it was to save his son from something when really that prosecutor had shut down the investigation and the US and Europe together were lobbying for that prosecutor to get sat so that corruption investigations would resume so is this new in American history defending the president by asking the American people to believe what they're told not the evidence in front of their eyes so this is what I think of the most distressing thing that's happened in the past few years and our democracy which is you can fact check day and night as you just did our newspapers run fact checks every day in the paper an online but if you repeat something over and over again I even if a fact checker says it's wrong you can sense we found that you can convince a for a number of your supporters that tight that what you say is right or at least nobody's right there's no one to believe we don't believe anybody that's that is been something that president trump is done since his days as a candidate and our best effort as fact checkers on some big issues including this one I think I have mixed results with with our readers and our listeners also they say the Democrats are charging ahead despite having enough witnesses with direct contact with the president on all this but the White House is withholding those witnesses Bolton who likened it to a drug deal after being in the room for one of the key meetings Mulvaney Giuliani pump pale pants all in on the shake down according to multiple witnesses the state department and Pentagon and National Security Council officials who testified so how can they make that case about the Democrats charging ahead without the direct witnesses who they are with holding what you're making just exactly the point Democrats made in response but it did not prevent Republicans for making the charge with the Republicans and Democrats really as of sat with each other yesterday as the testimony made a scene seem I'm I'm looking at the USA today headline on this this morning which is fury and other takeaways from Thursday's marathon impeachment debate so was it real fury or was it just what they thought was the necessary theater on each side well that's a that's a tough question there is some fury there is indeed a very destructive mode in Congress and in Washington up everybody's at their battle stations people I guess I think the headline is right I think people feel pretty furious I think Democrats are furious about what they see what they view as president trump getting away with something that was our a grave danger to our nation and Republicans are are also seem pretty furious maybe there's is of a bit more manufactured but pretty effective and one thing we one reason I thought I was wondering why the hearing went on for so long yesterday given that there was so little new that was said it really was like everybody was reading a script and I think one thing that encourage Republicans to keep going was that they were all the tweets from president trump one hundred and twenty three tweets from president trump yesterday his biggest record ever a lot of them encouraging Republicans to keep making art was a lot of the re tweeting the arguments are that members of that Republican members of the Judiciary Committee were making on there on Twitter feeds so maybe at a bit of stage management but in fact people here in Washington are pretty mad can't blame the guy for treating that bites I think you can blame trump for a lot of things but if you are being impeached at that moment for you to be lashing out in response that's just human right well except is it smart you know you think about how president Clinton are handled his impeachment the last president to be impeached I I covered that never thought I'd covered impeachment now entering my second one was that one president Clinton gave every public indication it was paying no attention to what was going on with his impeachment he was totally focused on the people's business now we know especially we know now behind the scenes that he was quite concerned and watching closely as impeachment but he thought politically was important to convey the idea that he cared about what was happening in your life not in his life we haven't seen that from president trump it's quite clear that this is issue number one for him and that it is has just made him quite a bit but also just in terms of political strategy that clearly worked in Clinton's case to seem like he was staying focused on the people's business and he was looking away to whatever degree he was allegedly looking away for trump I think the game is to keep enough of his supporters aggrieved that there won't be enough pressure on the Republican senators to flip and convict him next year and by constantly paying attention and shouting about it on Twitter or elsewhere is the way to keep that minority of Americans who are firmly within them feel aggrieved along with them in there a minority of Americans but a big majority of Republicans and that is the political fact that has protected president trump I was this impeachment Republican members of Congress have been unwilling to break with him and I think that's because you can he has such solid support among Republicans in their districts in their states nobles in Washington Heights you're on W. NYC with Susan page from USA today did I say in my mind hello you did say alright thanks a lot bye and love your show hi students really quick question for you so just as the articles have been voted out of committee and obstruction of Congress being one of those articles is it possible for this not to come to a house vote for impeachment yet until the witnesses particularly through our court system thereby somewhat making a perpetual includes impeachment is for the president until these witnesses were able to come before the committee I'll take my answer off line thank you so much thank you so much since well that that's an interesting idea and of course in the house the majority has lots of control of what happens on the floor so speaker Nancy Pelosi could decide to delay this but I can tell you that is not her intention we know that she is planning a vote next Wednesday on the floor of the house she wants to get this off her plate and over to the Senate I she's she's just scheduled in fact what we are calling in Washington an impeachment sandwich which is on Tuesday the house will vote on a big spending bill they've trying to get ready so that we don't have a government shut down at the next week on Wednesday they'll be a.

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"This is Josh Barrow. Welcome to left right and center. You're civilized yet. Provocative antidote the self contained opinion bubbles that dominate political debate. It is the first week of November and this week. The New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high-quality battleground state polls from the time. Paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders part of the message. Here is that trump's electoral college advantage appears to be widening. That is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs that continue to weaken Republicans with it's part of their traditional base. Then be taking away. Votes in Texas or even more votes in California but in Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain Ayn close. And you could conceivably see. Donald trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by an even wider margin than he lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what they need to do in this primer to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today. And how you should think about polls so far in advance of an election but now let's bring in our left right and center panel as always I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry editor of National Review on the right and on the leftist Sabil Rahman Demos we also have a special guest today oil Edwards Levy who is reporter and pulling editor hitter at huffpost. Hello everyone hey josh hi everybody so. There were elections on Tuesday and a few states. We can talk about twenty nineteen elections before we turn to twenty twenty me And Republicans did hold onto the governorship in Mississippi By about six points but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state and he Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding were other Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto part of the ancestral democratic radic base in Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which is otherwise swung hard toward Republicans any made inroads in one strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati. The suburbs suburbs also delivered for Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and therefore full control of that state's government for the first time in decades Sabil. What lessons do you see in these results? as Democrats look to next year so a couple of things jump out I is. This is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the TRIFECTA that's GonNa change the politics and the policies that come out of the state. And when you compare Virginia Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really is a strong pattern across the different states. We'll see there also is a similar move happening in rural counties to in the other direction and I'm sure we'll talk about that in a moment The other I think that it's as you know there is a grain of salt right. It's twenty nine hundred dollars off your election. it's hard to extrapolate national trends. So it's this isn't quite the same as the precursor to two thousand eighteen eighteen But it is a strong result for the Democrat rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats? It felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia. You know you had the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black-faced scandal with the Attorney General and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Governor and some Democrats in the legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion worship that Republicans thought was very extreme. And what outrage the median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the steady forward march of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes this is the marshes right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for a long time. Has To do with demographic changes in the state state becoming better educated more suburban more diverse so oh the whole divide we're seeing now between the suburbs and More rural working class voters. It's something that's been going on for quite a long time. And and trump has just accelerated it and he's His conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans in the suburbs especially women with the question. And we'll well I guess address. This in a little bit is whether he can do what he didn't. Twenty sixteen. Draw a A broadly are radioactive released easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in in the suburbs to just barely over the top again. Arielle is the national story that simple bull as you know re Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs and Democrats keep doing worse in rural areas and if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties ladies. I mean I think that is in large part what we are seeing across the country. And you know I think that can obscure that that there will always be things happening in a particular race in particular level. I mean you saw that in Kentucky where certainly considerations that were not national politics obviously sleigh. That's a good notorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship is going to influence people's votes but you are seeing these broader demographic trends ends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more and now we'll see whether that ends up evening out and whose favor that is rich which the governor's arial notes. There were some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not the best like person including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky tried to defeat beat Mitch McConnell and a primary few years ago so after this close result he lost by about five thousand votes. He's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were a regularities. He wants a canvas canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first of all. What do you like he lost? What do you make of him coming out and saying that and then also what do you make of the response of the Republican Party in Kentucky which has been mostly mostly to sort of ignore him and say well he lost the five thousand votes is not a a lot in the scheme of things? But in the recount are- canvas sincere a scenario huge and the chances of overturning that are extremely minimal. Basically impossible so I. I don't like the trend. We saw Stacey. Abrams do it and Georgia as well. Oh you lost. Please be gracious about it. So very tough thing personally is hard to take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards. How you were truly the winner? When clearly weren't bill I as I hear Democrats worrying about you know what is true? IS TRUMP GONNA admit he lost if he loses the two thousand twenty election and this I I've not been very. Are you worried about that. For reasons. That are are playing out on the Ground Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't lose. I didn't lose and that can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here you know the Partly I think you know as as noting five thousand votes as a lot if it was five hundred votes might be a different situation but also it's it's parallel to trump and that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party never really wanted in charge and there's a part of them that I'm sure is just pleased to be done with. Ben Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful a lesson I hope you're right Taking the model of of Kentucky I mean. Look here's the here's the challenge. In some ways that the the decision making factor here here is going to be the rest of the institutional right. What the party things right? If the Party doesn't go along with it then it just becomes sort of a slightly embarrassing stance on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away. In Our democracy proceeds in democracy only works if both sides recognize the legitimacy of the results right and so I think that's our right. What I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios you know? They're they're such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional powerbrokers of the Republican Party disarray fall in line with the president that that's where I would put more concern right presents going to do what he's going to do he always has but at. What point? Does the rest of the party decide you know what the rules those are the rules we have a we have other. People can put forward in an electoral contest. And we don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a a good time for talk about impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense that House Republicans are talking about I as it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo. Oh here around Ukraine ambassador. Gordon Sunland has changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially the these guys were freelancing. Yes somehow a message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo. Hello that but maybe trump never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want want to after all. Trump's specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed a quid pro quo and especially in the case of Rudy Giuliani. Maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial interests. You had all these business interests in Ukraine. Maybe he was using his position close to the president. I want to push his own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo idea came from in. The president is innocent and I think in that context. It's worth considering a tweet. That Rudy Giuliani sent. This week. That looks outwardly. Really liked defensive the president but I'm not sure it is. He says the investigation I conducted concerning twenty sixteen Ukrainian collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the president to basically throw Rudy Giuliani under the bus. And say whatever these people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. I did this. In my capacity as the president's agent yes I say a couple things one. There's a glimmer of an opening for this defense because most most of the people we've heard from so far really almost all the people we've heard from so far had what trump was thinking is second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is you know. More Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely plausible. That Giuliani and important respects was freelancing but I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine. So it's just hard to believe that that these guys got this cooked up this idea on on their own how How did the defense aid get withheld? Gordon silent that too and trump mentioned on the call talk to Rudy. which again is an indication that he enroute route? Era are on the on the same board on the soap a month ago when he was still pretty early. I had theory that it might defense. I offered tentatively that maybe maybe there was the intention of the quid pro quo never really got to the Ukrainians clear. At least it got to the Ukrainians. And I still. I know you're skeptic Josh by so think the Defense Republican senators will end up falling back on. is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations and this is. This is the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But that in the simpsons. That's a joke like it is it. Is it really good enough to say. Well you know the president it didn't get away with it and therefore no harm no foul. Yeah I think it any fifth-grader recognizes just how paper thin excuses is you know won't get very far in in the real world and we'll get very far year It's it's so it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what Richard I mean these Excuse the freelancing. Excuse this each week. There's a new sort of angle right and they all kind of keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff that the president and Guiliani audion others keep saying on live. TV and on twitter from their own mouths so it is kind of absurd so I know you hate this question rich for so. This still isn't impeachable and I ask again. I wanted to because of that. Giuliani tweet because one thing that we've been talking about is what exactly was role when the president says talk to Rudy. And you had said Ed I think accurately sometimes have presidents have unofficial envoys. They have people who are close to them who act as emissaries and that is not inherently inappropriate. That's true but again we have rudy. Giuliani saying here that that he was quote solely unquote acting as a defense attorney to Donald Trump. which is to say that you know whatever he was doing he was not doing it as an unofficial envoy the United States he was doing it as a personal attorney? Donald trump in his personal capacity. Isn't that therefore the president using a resource of the United States government. It's it's foreign policy for what is explicitly personal purpose yet. What's what do you have? You talked to your personal attorney about if there's a personal price so again this this is my defense and I hope it doesn't go down in textbooks as lowered fence but maybe it will is not just not to say. It wasn't improper it was. It's a question of the gravity of the fence. And whether that justifies impeaching and removing him from office and I just I do not think that outcome would be better for the country could actually make our politics worse and it would be an injury. I think to our our politics and our institutions to not just you know partially due an election which every impeachment potentially does not fully Redo it because pence would be the president but to short-circuit reelection campaign. That has some significant chance of winning. It's not like he's at twenty percent. The country is is uniformly outraged by this and There's a consensus that it's it's that grave there isn't and in fact fact. There's quite a likely scenario. Forty fifty percent. Whatever it is that he'll get impeached and get reelected so if the polling moved on this if you know if his numbers went went down to the high twenty s or something and we had you know sixty plus percent for impeach and remove with with that move you well see? I think the dynamic here is something much more grave save the polling would potentially move. But it's not gonNA move because there was not an enormous harm to the country here are. Let's talk about that. That public opinion situation relation..

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"This is Josh Barrow. And Welcome to left right and center you're civilized yet provocative antidote to the self-contained opinion bubbles that dominate political debate. Eight it is the first week of November and this week the New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high quality battleground state polls from the Times paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders part of the message here or is that trump's electoral college advantage appears to be widening. That is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs that continue to weaken Republicans with part of their traditional base. That may be taken away. Votes votes in Texas or even more votes in California but in Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain close and you could conceivably see. Donald trump trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by an even wider margin than he lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what he needs to do in this primary to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today. And how you should think about poll so far in advance of election but now let's bring in our left right and center panel as always. I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry editor of National Review on the right and on the leftist Sabil Rahman of Demos we also have a special guest today Arial Edwards Levy who is reporter and pulling editor at Huffpost. Hello Everyone Hajaj. Hi everybody so. There were elections on Tuesday in a few states. We can talk about twenty nine hundred elections before we turn to twenty twenty And Republicans did hold onto the governorship chip in Mississippi By about six points but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state and any Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding were other Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto part of the ancestral democratic base in Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which is otherwise otherwise swung hard toward Republicans any made inroads in one strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati. The suburbs also delivered for Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and therefore full control of that state's government for the first time in decades Sabil what lessons do you see in these results. as Democrats look the next year so a couple of things jump out I is. This is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the trifecta acted that's GonNa change the politics and the policies that come out of that state. And when you compare Virginia and Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really as a strong pattern across the different states it's also is a similar move happening in rural counties to in the other direction and I'm sure we'll talk about that in a moment The other thing you know there's a grain of salt rate it's twenty two thousand nineteen. It's off your election It's hard to extrapolate national trends. So it's this isn't quite the same as the precursor twenty eighteen but it is a strong result for the the Democrats rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats? It felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia. You know you had the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black face scandal with the attorney general the and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Governor and some Democrats in the legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion that Republicans thought was very extreme outrage age. The median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the steady forward march of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes so this is marshes right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for longtime has to do with demographic changes in the state state becoming better educated more suburban more diverse so the whole divide. We're seeing now between between the suburbs and More rural working class voters. It's something has been going on for quite a long time. And trump has just accelerated it and he's His conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans in the suburbs especially women with the question. Will I guess stress. This in a little bit is whether he can do what he did. In Two thousand sixteen draw a A broadly a radioactive released easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in suburbs to just barely get over the top again. Rl is the national story. That simple as you know. Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs. Democrats keep doing worse in rural areas. And if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties I mean I think that is is in large part what we are seeing across the country and you know I think that can obscure that there will always be things happening in in a particular race in a particular level. I mean you saw that in Kentucky where there were certainly considerations that were not national politics. Obviously that's gubernatorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship is going to influence people's votes. But you are seeing these broader demographic trends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more and you know we'll see whether that ends up evening out in his favor of that is rich. The governors are real notes. There were or some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not the best like person including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky. He tried to defeat Mitch McConnell and a primary a few years ago so so after this close result he lost by about five thousand votes. He's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were a regularities. You WanNA canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first first of all. What are you like? He lost what do you make of him coming out and saying that and then also I mean what do you make of the response of the Republican Party in Kentucky which has been mostly to sort of ignore him and say well he lost the five thousand votes is not a a lot in the scheme of things. But in the recount. Are- canvas sincere. A scenario is huge and the chances of overturning that are extremely leave. Minimal is basically impossible so I don't like the trend. We saw Stacey. Abrams do it in Georgia as well. You lost please be gracious about. It's very tough thing personally. Hard to take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards. How you were truly? The winner. Went clearly weren't bill. I A- As I I hear Democrats worrying about you. Know what's is trump gonNA admit he lost if he loses the two thousand twenty election. And this you know I. I've not been very worried about that. For reasons. That are playing out on the ground and Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't I didn't lose and that can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here. You know the partly I think you know as as rich as noting five thousand awesome votes is a lot if it was five hundred votes might be a different situation. But also it's it's parallel to trump in that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party. Never really wanted in in charge. And there's a part of them that I'm sure is just pleased to be done with them. Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful lesson I hope you're right taking the Model of of Kentucky. Look here's the here's the challenge in some ways right that the the decision making factor here is going to be the rest of the institutional right. What the Party thinks X-ray the party doesn't go along with it then it just becomes sort of a slightly embarrassing stance on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away and our democracy proceeds in democracy only works if if both sides recognize the legitimacy of the results right and so so I think I think in that sense you are right? What I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios areas where there is such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional powerbrokers of the Republican Party fall in line with the president? That's where I I would put put more concern right presents going to do what he's GonNa do. He always has but at what point does the rest of the party decide. You know what the rules are the rules we have a we have other people. We can put forward in an electoral contest and we don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a good time for us to talk about impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense that House Republicans are talking about I as it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine Basser Gordon. SUNLAND has changed changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investing the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially that these guys were freelancing. Yes somehow a message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but maybe trump trump never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want want to. After all trump specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed quo and especially in the case of Rudy Giuliani. Johnny maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial interests. You had all these business interests in Ukraine. Maybe he was using his position. Close to the president to push his own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo. Oh idea came from and the president is innocent and I think in that context. It's worth considering a tweet. That Rudy Giuliani sent this week. That looks really like defensive. The president but I'm not sure it is he says the investigation is conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the president to basically throw rudy. Giuliani under the bus. And say you know whatever. These people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. Oh I did this in my capacity as the president's agent yes I say a couple of things. One is a glimmer of an opening for this defense because most of the people we've heard from so far really almost all the people we've heard from so far had what trump was thinking second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is you know. More Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely plausible. That Giuliani and important respects was freelancing but I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine rain. So it's just hard to believe that that these guys got this cooked up the idea on on their own and how. How did the defense aid get withheld? Gordon Silent I two and trump mentioned on the call talk to Rudy. which again is an indication that he and rudy are are on the on the same board on the soap? A month ago was still pretty early. I had a theory that in my defense I offered tentatively that maybe there was the intention of quid pro quo and it never really got to the Ukrainian says clear at least it got to the Ukrainians and I still. I know you're skeptic Josh but I think the Defense Republican senators will end up falling back on is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations. Well so so bill. This is the. This is the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But in the simpsons. That's a joke like as you know. Is it really good enough to say well. You know the president didn't get away with it and therefore no harm. No no foul. Yeah I think it any fifth-grader recognizes just how paper thin fabric skews. It won't get you very far in in the real world and we'll get you very far year are it's it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what these Excuse the freelancing excuse this each week there's a new sort of angle right and they kinda keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff that the president and Giuliani and others keep saying on live. TV and on twitter witter from their own mouths so it is kind of absurd so I I know you hate this question rich but I I so this still isn't impeachable and I ask again I I wanted to because because of that. Giuliani tweet because one thing that we've been talking about is what exactly was rudy's role when the president says talked to Rudy and and you had said I think accurately you know sometimes have presidents agents have unofficial envoys..

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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"Is Josh Barrow. And welcome to left. Right and center civilized yet provocative antidote to the self contained opinion bubbles that dominate political debate. It is the first week of November and this week. The New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high-quality battleground state polls from the Times paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message acid from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders part of the message. Here is that trump's electoral college advantage appears to be widening. That is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs that continue to weaken Republicans with part of their traditional base. That may be taken away. Votes in Texas or even more votes in California but in Pennsylvania Selena Michigan Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain close and you could conceivably see Donald trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by an even wider margin than he lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what they need to do. Win This primary to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today and how you should think about poll all so far in advance of an election but now let's bring in our left right and center panel as always your center. I'm joined by rich lowry. Editor of National Review on the right and on the left is to Bill Rahman of Demos. We also have a special guest today oil Edwards Levy who is reporter and pulling editor at Huffpost. Hello Everyone Hajaj. Hi everybody so. There were elections. Sion's on Tuesday and a few states. We can talk about twenty nineteen elections before we turn to twenty twenty And Republicans did hold onto the governorship in Mississippi By about six points but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state. Any Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding where other Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto part of the Ancestral Democratic Base Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which otherwise swung hard toward Republicans. Any made inroads roads in one strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati. The suburbs also delivered Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and therefore full full control of that state's government for the first time in decades Sabil. What lessons do you see in these results? as Democrats next year so a couple of things. Jump Out I I is. This is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the tractor. That's going to change the politics and the policies that combatted that state. And when you compare Virginia and Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really as a strong pattern across the different states we'll see there also is a similar move happening in rural counties to in the other direction and we'll talk about that in a moment The other thing though just as you know there is a grain of salt right. It's a twenty nine hundred dollars off your election It's hard to extrapolate extrapolate national trends. It's this isn't quite the same as the precursor to two thousand eighteen But it is a a strong result for the Democrats rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats it felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia? You know you had the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black-faced scandal with the Attorney General and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Governor honor and some Democrats in that legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion that Republicans thought was very extreme. And what outrage the median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the a steady forward march of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes this is Marsha right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for a long time. Has To do with demographic changes in the state state state becoming better educated more suburban more diverse so the whole divide. We're seeing now suburbs and more rural working working class voters. It's something's going on for quite a long time. And trump has just accelerated it and he's his conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans Especially women with the question. Will I guess dresses in a little bit is whether he can do what he didn't. Twenty sixteen draw a A broadly are radioactive or at least easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in in the suburbs to just barely get over the top again. Arielle is the national story. That simple as you know. Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs and Democrats keep doing doing worse in rural areas and if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties I mean I think that is in large part what we are seeing being across the country and you know I think that can obscure that there will always be things happening in particular race in particular level. I mean you saw that. Ah In Kentucky where there were certainly considerations that were not national politics. Obviously that's gubernatorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship hip is going to influence people's votes but you are seeing these broader demographic trends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more. And you know we'll see see whether that ends up evening out and whose favor that is rich. The governors are L. notes. There were some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not the best like like person including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky. He tried to defeat Mitch. McConnell and a primary few years ago so after this close result he lost by about five thousand votes. He's he's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were regularities. He wants a creek canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first of all. What do you like he lost? What do you make them? I'm coming out and saying that and then also I mean. What do you make the response of the Republican Party in Kentucky which has been mostly to sort of ignore him and say well he lost? The five thousand votes is not a a lot you know in the scheme of things. But in the recount of canvas sincere a scenario is huge and the chances overturning that are extremely minimal basically impossible so oh. I don't like the trend. We saw Stacey. Abrams do it in Georgia as well. You lost please be grace about it very tough thing personally as hard to take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards. How you truly the winner? When clearly weren't deal I as I hear Democrats worrying about you? Know what's the trump to admit. He lost if he loses the twenty two thousand election and this. I've been very worried about that. For reasons. That are are playing out on the ground and Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't lose. I didn't lose and that it can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here. You know the partly I think you know as as rich as noting five thousand votes as a lot if it was five hundred votes we might see a different situation. And but also it's a parallel to trump in that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party. Never really wanted in charge. And there's a part of them that I'm sure is just pleased to be done with my bedroom. Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful lesson I hope you're right Taking the model of of Kentucky I mean. Look here's the here's is the challenge in some ways right. The the the decision making factor here is going to be the rest of the institutional right. What the Party? The party doesn't go along with it. Then it just becomes sort love slightly embarrassing you know. Stand on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away. In our democracy precedes in democracy only works if both sides recognize the legitimacy of the results. That's right and so so I think I think that's you are right. What I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios there there is such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional powerbrokers of the Republican Party district fall in line with the president that? That's where I I would put more concern right presents going to do what he's GonNa do. He always has but at what point does the rest of the party decide. You know what the rules are the rules we have a we have other people. We put forward in an electoral contest. And we don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a good time for a stock impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense that House Republicans Publican's talking about As it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine ambassador. Gordon Sunland has changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially that these guys were freelancing that yes somehow message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but Maybe never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want want to After all trump specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed a quid pro quo And especially in the case of Rudy. Giuliani maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial financial interests. You had all these business interests new crane. Maybe he was using his position. Close to the president. Two pushes own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo idea came from and the president is innocent and and I think in that context. It's worth considering tweet. That Rudy Giuliani sent. This week that looks outwardly. Like defense of the president. But I'm not sure it is. He says the investigation is conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian cranium collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the president to basically basically through Rudy Giuliani under the bus. And say whatever these people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. I did this. In my capacity as the president's agent yes I say a couple of things one. There's a glimmer of an opening for this defense. Because most of the people we've heard from so far is really almost all the people we've heard from so far had what what trump was thinking is second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is more Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely plausible. People that Giuliani and an important specs was freelancing. But I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine. So it's just hard to believe that that these guys got this cooked up this idea on on their own. How how did the defense eight get withheld? According to a two and trump mentioned on on the call talked to Rudy. which again is an indication that he and rudy are are on the on the same board on this soap a month ago when it was still go pretty early? I had a theory. That defense I offered tentatively that maybe there was the intention of quid pro quo and it never really got to the Ukrainian. So it's clear. At least it got to the Ukrainians and I still. I know you're skeptic Josh by that Defense Republican senators will end up falling back on. is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations. Also the The the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But that in the simpsons. That's a joke joke like as you know. Is it really good enough to say. Well you know the president didn't get away with it and therefore no hell. Yeah I think it any fifth-grader recognizes just how paper thin excuses is. You know won't get you very far in the real world and we'll get you very far year. It's it's so it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what Richard I mean. These excused freelancing excuse each week. There's a new sort of angle right and they kinda to keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff that the president and Giuliani and others keep saying on live. TV and on twitter from their own mouths. So you know. It's it is kind of absurd so I I know you hate this question Richard. I so this still isn't impeachable and I ask again I I wanted because of that..

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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"Is Josh Barrow. And welcome to left. Right and center civilized yet provocative antidote to the self contained opinion bubbles that dominate political debate. It is the first week of November and this week. The New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high-quality battleground state polls from the Times paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message acid from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders part of the message. Here is that trump's electoral college advantage appears to be widening. That is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs that continue to weaken Republicans with part of their traditional base. That may be taken away. Votes in Texas or even more votes in California but in Pennsylvania Selena Michigan Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain close and you could conceivably see Donald trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by an even wider margin than he lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what they need to do. Win This primary to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today and how you should think about poll all so far in advance of an election but now let's bring in our left right and center panel as always. I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry. Editor of National Review on the right and on the left is to Bill Rahman of Demos. We also have a special guest today oil Edwards Levy who is reporter and pulling editor at Huffpost. Hello Everyone Hajaj. Hi everybody so. There were elections. Sion's on Tuesday and a few states. We can talk about twenty nineteen elections before we turn to twenty twenty And Republicans did hold onto the governorship in Mississippi By about six points but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state. Any Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding where other Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto part of the Ancestral Democratic Base Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which otherwise swung hard toward Republicans. Any made inroads roads in one strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati. The suburbs also delivered Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and therefore full full control of that state's government for the first time in decades Sabil. What lessons do you see in these results? as Democrats next year so a couple of things. Jump Out I I is. This is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the tractor. That's going to change the politics and the policies that combatted that state. And when you compare Virginia and Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really as a strong pattern across the different states we'll see there also is a similar move happening in rural Oh counties to in the other direction and we'll talk about that in a moment The other thing though just as you know there is a grain of salt right. It's a twenty nine hundred dollars off your election It's hard to extrapolate extrapolate national trends. It's this isn't quite the same as the precursor to two thousand eighteen But it is a a strong result for the Democrats rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats it felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia? You know you had the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black-faced scandal with the Attorney General and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Governor honor and some Democrats in that legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion that Republicans thought was very extreme. And what outrage the median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the steady forward march of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes this is Marsha right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for a long time. Has To do with demographic changes in the state state state becoming better educated more suburban more diverse so the whole divide. We're seeing now suburbs and more rural working working class voters. It's something's going on for quite a long time. And trump has just accelerated it and he's his conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans Especially women with the question and we'll I guess dresses in a little bit is whether he can do what he didn't. Twenty sixteen. Draw a A broadly are radioactive or at least easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in in the suburbs to just barely get over the top again. Arielle is the national story. That simple as you know. Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs and Democrats keep doing doing worse in rural areas and if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties I mean I think that is in large part what we are seeing being across the country and you know I think that can obscure that there will always be things happening in particular race in particular level. I mean you saw that up in Kentucky where there were certainly considerations that were not national politics. Obviously that's gubernatorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship hip is going to influence people's votes but you are seeing these broader demographic trends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more. And you know we'll see see whether that ends up evening out and whose favor that is rich. The governors are L. notes. There were some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not the best like like person including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky. He tried to defeat Mitch. McConnell and a primary few years ago so after this close result he lost by about five thousand votes. He's he's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were regularities. He wants a creek canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first of all. What do you like he lost? What do you make them? I'm coming out and saying that and then also I mean. What do you make the response of the Republican Party in Kentucky which has been mostly to sort of ignore him and say well he lost? The five thousand votes is not a a lot you know in the scheme of things. But in the recount of canvas sincere a scenario is huge and the chances overturning that are extremely minimal basically impossible so oh. I don't like the trend. We saw Stacey. Abrams do it in Georgia as well. You lost please be grace about it very tough thing personally as hard to take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards how you truly the winter. When clearly weren't deal I as I hear Democrats worrying about you? Know what's the trump to admit. He lost if he loses the twenty two thousand election and this. I've been very worried about that. For reasons. That are are playing out on the ground and Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't lose. I didn't lose and that it can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here. You know the partly I think you know as as rich as noting five thousand votes as a lot if it was five hundred votes we might see a different situation. And but also it's a parallel to trump in that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party. Never really wanted in charge. And there's a part of them that I'm sure is just pleased to be done with my bedroom. Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful lesson I hope you're right Taking the model of of Kentucky I mean. Look here's the here's is the challenge in some ways right. The the the decision making factor here is going to be the rest of the institutional right. What the Party? The party doesn't go along with it. Then it just becomes sort love slightly embarrassing you know. Stand on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away. In our democracy precedes in democracy only works if both sides recognize the legitimacy of the results. That's right and so so I think I think that's you are right. What I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios there there is such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional powerbrokers of the Republican Party disarray fall in line with the president that that's where I I would put more concern right presents going to do what he's GonNa do? He always has but at what point does the rest of the party decide. You know what the rules are the rules we have a we have other people. We put forward in an electoral contest. And we don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a good time for a stock impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense that House Republicans Publican's talking about As it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine ambassador. Gordon Sunland has changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially that these guys were freelancing that yes somehow message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but Maybe never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want want to After all trump specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed a quid pro quo And especially in the case of Rudy. Giuliani maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial financial interests. You had all these business interests new crane. Maybe he was using his position. Close to the president. Two pushes own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo idea came from and the president is innocent and and I think in that context. It's worth considering tweet. That Rudy Giuliani sent. This week that looks outwardly. Like defense of the president. But I'm not sure it is. He says the investigation is conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian cranium collusion and corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the president to basically basically through Rudy Giuliani under the bus. And say whatever these people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. I did this. In my capacity as the president's agent yes I say a couple of things one. There's a glimmer of an opening for this defense. Because most of the people we've heard from so far is really almost all the people we've heard from so far had what what trump was thinking is second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is more Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely plausible. People that Giuliani and an important specs was freelancing. But I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine. So it's just hard to believe that that these guys got this cooked up the idea on on their own. How how did the defense eight get withheld? According to a two and trump mentioned on on the call talked to Rudy. which again is an indication that he and rudy are are on the on the same board on this soap a month ago when it was still go pretty early? I had a theory. That defense I offered tentatively that maybe there was the intention of quid pro quo and it never really got to the Ukrainian. So it's clear. At least it got to the Ukrainians and I still. I know you're skeptic Josh by that Defense Republican senators will end up falling back on. is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations also. This is the. This is the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But that in the simpsons. That's a joke joke like as you know. Is it really good enough to say. Well you know the president didn't get away with it and therefore no hell. Yeah I think it any fifth-grader recognizes just how paper thin excuses is. You know won't get you very far in the real world and we'll get you very far year. It's it's so it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what Richard I mean. These excused freelancing excuse each week. There's a new sort of angle right and they kinda to keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff that the president and Giuliani and others keep saying on live. TV and on twitter from their own mouths. So you know. It's it is kind of absurd so I I know you hate this question Richard. I so this still isn't impeachable and I ask again I I wanted because of that. Giuliani tweet because one thing that we've been talking about is you know what what exactly was rudy's role when the president says talked to Rudy and you had said I I think accurately presidents have unofficial envoy they have people who are close to them who act as emissaries and that is not inherently inappropriate. That's true but again we have rudy. Giuliani saying here that that he was quote solely unquote acting as a defense defense attorney to to Donald Trump. which is to say that you know whatever he was doing he was not doing it as an unofficial envoy the United States he was doing it as a personal attorney to Donald Trump in his personal capacity isn't isn't that therefore the president using a resource of the United States government? It's foreign policy for what is explicitly a personal purpose yet. What's what do you have talked to your personal? The attorney about if so again this. This is my defense and I hope it doesn't go down in the text books as lowered fence but maybe it will is not just not to say it wasn't improper proper it was. It's a question of the gravity of the fence. And whether that justifies impeaching and removing him from office and I just I do not think that outcome would be better for the country. I could actually make our politics worse and it would be an injury. I think to our politics and our institutions to. It's not just you know partially undoing election. Every impeachment potentially does not fully Redo it. 'cause pence would be the president but to short-circuit reelection campaign pain. That has some significant chance of winning..

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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Anderson Cooper 360

"And you know it's just not a part of the country born morning. Console had a poll. We're last couple of days saying what what are. Your top priorities had ten parties. What are your top priorities for the country? The impeachment was number ten in terms of priorities. And I think that speaks volumes about where we are now. I don't know whether the Democrats can turn this around. I don't I think at this point. The chances are you're the president's going to come out of this hurt but not damage and it's GonNa definitely be up to the voters and you I mean I think you've said and correct me if I'm wrong did that this bigger than what Nixon as Adam Schiff was making the point in both the clips. You showed that what he uncovered he felt was worse than Watergate. I agree with him. I think it was in one way for its national security. It is not a domestic domestic policy issue. It's not a bungled burglary that you cover up. It's not a internal White House sponsored burglary. You're covering up There that overriding problem creates a huge difference to me But also I was frankly surprised that Nixon resigned. He did have have information to fight. He didn't know it unfortunately he didn't mind all the tapes and didn't have that information today. You can assemble a a very strong argument that he survived using this as well. I eat no one's ever asked me. We're GONNA take a quick break. Ah moorhead just Ed were GONNA ask the member of the Intelligence Committee. Sean Patrick Maloney for his thoughts now that the second week of public impeachment testimony has wrapped up. And you do you remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Hey everyone it's poppy harlow and this week's episode of boss files. A conversation with San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly. She has a remarkable story of resilience and define the dropped out of high school at fifteen years. Old were donut shop and then turned it all around to get her. Hd Day she is responsible for ramping in US and monitoring policy. It's an important conversation you find. It is fascinating and I did. Check it out. Subscribe the boss miles. Today's impeachment hearing ended. It was the most powerful testimony in what been two weeks memorable. The moment my next guests was a big part of all congressman. Sean Patrick Maloney as a Democrat on the intelligence committee thanks For being with US first of all of your takeaways from today with Funeral Hill and David Holmes what what stood out to you Two more incredibly impressive public servants. Look at Dr. He'll story you know. I mean the daughter of coal miners comes to this country. Believing in its promise says my working class accent never gotten away and look at her success and she knew right from wrong and she went reported what she saw and boy she demonstrated trated clarity and courage today and David Home. Same thing. That's a guy who understood what his duty was stepped forward and said I have the direct evidence. People Flirt. Complaining is missing and I'm gonNA come give it. And of course they come on the heels of ten Colonel Women and Ambassador Bridge and Bill Taylor hailer military heroes distinguished members of the foreign service all telling a story at risk of their own professional careers. It was an extraordinary week. And we're grateful to all of them. I I want to play something that happened yesterday. You in a question you had with embassador sunland response. You had to something. He said disturb impromptu. Let's tickle I've been very forthright and I really resent what you're trying to fair enough. You've been very forthright. This your third try to do so sir. Didn't work so well. The first time did it. We had a little declaration. Come in after you remember that an hour here third time and we got a statement from you this morning. There's a whole bunch of stuff you don't recall so all all due respect sir. We appreciate your candor but let's be really clear on what it took to get it out here. Did you practice that. Because that was that was was was that impromptu I mean that was was but and it was because he wouldn't answer a simple question. which was I think pretty obvious concern which is that? All of this was done to benefit the president personally politically and that he was trading official acts or offering to to get that personal benefit. That is the textbook definition of soliciting thing. A bribe and ambassador. Sunlen has that knowledge and I was getting a little sick of him dancing around he also a few on the hill today. Really put investor Sunland in the camp of Mulvaney Giuliani whereas Sunlen put himself in the camp of Volker and career. Foreign Service officers of well. Well we were just trying to break the logjam and advanced. US interests and we had to deal with Giuliani. Yeah I have no doubt that ambassador Sunlen sees himself as the hero hero in his own narrative. But what I can tell you is that it took a lot of other cooperation. A lot of other brave witnesses to put them in a box and to get the truth out of them and even as we sit here. You've got people like Dr Hill saying I was Burrito Memento Biden instantly so Tim Morrison by the way so that anybody with Google machine gene and and and somehow doc ambassador sunland wants us to believe that he never had any idea. An investor Volker sort of has the same argument and didn't initially understand PRISMA meant Biden. I mean I want to be clear. We are glad that both of those witnesses came forward and gave their testimony and from what I can tell we. He had reliable testimony by ambassador silent and he confirmed some critical pieces of this puzzle. So I am appreciative of that I do think there were some continuing gaps in his memory that raise some questions but other witnesses thank goodness fill. The men like David Holmes today. who heard the president's voice voice talking about did they do? Did they agree to do the investigations. Even though Sunland Continues to conveniently not remember that Kevin Kevin McCarthy told CNN tonight. He believes his an lose any Republican votes during impeachment that he's actually going to gain votes from Democrats. Do you think that's a possibility. I don't I don't know and I don't don't have a crystal ball on that. You know what I care about. I care about that that those of us in Congress try to demonstrate some of the same courage the guys like Lieutenant Colonel Kinman did did I mean the guy sat there and said tell the story about his dad leaving Russia where he would have been killed for doing this said my my dad got three of us in the military here. He believed in this country. We've all defended and fought for it and in America right matters. Well here's hoping right. And what is going to depend on is guys is like Kevin McCarthy getting getting two feet out of his partisan gain plane and trying to look at this with some perspective. I think any fair person looking at the facts faxed the evidence has to say has to say the minimum. This is very serious conduct. That is unbecoming any American President. And if you really look at it I think you would would conclude that the president was clearly endeavouring to obtain a personal political benefit trading official acts in the process. And you want to argue that. That's not up to the level level of impeachment. Well God bless Ya but it seems to me that the founders wrote bribery into the text of the constitution because light treason it involves selling out your country for personal gain and selling your honor at the expense of your country. I am sorry to tell all my friends who continue to support the president that that's what happened here and it's up to us to to see it for what it is kearns. Maloney appreciate your Tom. Thanks for getting my pleasure back now with our legal and political team David do you think the idea of losing some Democrats on this. I'm doing Kevin. McCarthy is right here I think they might lose a few. I doubt it will be very many. I did. I did think that heard Republicans again. Going back to this point Scott Jennings earlier I think he represents what you may see. More Republicans move in that direction I heard was talking to me. I started my got. He's GonNa break. And he swerved right at the last minute unstated has in the past gone farther than a lot of other Republicans he's got it's not about eighty percent rate of voting with this president. He's broken with on serious stuff surrounding immigration. He's in a district that's turning. He won't one this last election of two thousand votes. He's obviously a retiring because he probably couldn't win that seat again. But this is the classic will heard you know sort of joking with David before the show that this is kind of what he does and he's pleased people like David who think. Oh this is going to. He's going to side with the Democrats and be something other than kind of Republican falls in line with this president but again vote. He didn't think that this inquiry was a good idea. So the idea of that he would come down against this president resident knowing that he wants future in the Republican Party. I think it was always unlikely John Dean when it goes the Judiciary Committee. What actually happens opens? It's very interesting little different this time because the house itself had to undertake the investigation that is normally taken by grand jury Another our investigative body the Department of Justice. Here they justice turned it down so the house. Intel Committee undertook the Ukrainian investigation. They're bringing that in. They already have the report of the special counsel. What are they going to do with that? That's got counts of obstruction of justice in it no conspiracy. There is evidence of collusion. Are they going to merge that altogether those are decisions they have to make and see what comes out. What does the press discover new things over the next two? They can bring them right out. They can hold here instead of juries just jurisdiction so more witnesses can come in. I'm still in the judiciary so absolutely how long do you think it would. I mean I guess there's no way to know how long would be the judiciary committee. Well I think they have a goal of trying to do it before the Christmas recess. If if new evidence broke I'm sure they go over to the New Year and David then in these moves moves over to the Senate side it is a whole other kind of experience. I mean it is all the senators. They're all present all sitting there six days a week right and I. I think I think that was entering the Republicans talking to the White House today and try and coming out basically as you reported trying to limit this to two weeks. Ah You know for the for the trial. What I'm not clear how who speaks? And the of attorney the managers they make the case. How many measures managers are there and each side? There's a rule typically decides that and the speaker will decide that and probably four or five or six. Yes yeah outside counsel Talk the president can bring his counsel. I remember for example White House Counsel Charlie Rough did the closing argument for Bill Clinton which was he rarely represents the office of the president so I was surprised to see him make that argument but he made it in the context of the the office. I get there We have more breaking news coming up another. CNN exclusive schools have an FBI officials under criminal investigation connection with the two thousand sixteen campaign. We have details on. That next.

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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

03:18 min | 1 year ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"Talk about impeachment rich. There's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense that House Republicans are talking about I as it becomes clearer that there was some some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine Bass Gordon. Sunland has changed his mind. He refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially that these guys were freelancing. Yes somehow a message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but maybe trump never authorized them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want to want to. After trump specifically denied Senator Ron Johnson that he had had proposed a quid pro quo and especially in the case of Rudy Giuliani. Maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial interests. All these business interests in Ukraine. Maybe he was using his position in close to the president to push his own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo idea came from and the president is innocent. And I think in that context it's worth considering a tweet that Rudy Guiliani said at this week that looks outwardly. Like defense of the president. But I'm not sure it is. He says the investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the president to basically through Guiliani under the bus. And say you know whatever. These people did. The president authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. I did this in my capacity as the president's agent. Yes I say a couple of things one. You know there's a glimmer of an opening for this defense offense because most of the people we've heard from so far is really almost all the people we've heard from so far had what trump was thinking second or third hand because they weren't the an insider's which is more Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely plausible. That Giuliani an important respects was freelancing but I think that would have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine. So it's just hard to believe that that these guys got this cooked up this idea on on their own own and how. How did the defense get withheld? Gordon silent that too and trump mentioned on the call talk to Rudy. Which again is an indication occasion that he and Rudy are are on the on the same board on this so a month ago When it was still pretty early I had a theory? That in my defense I offered tentatively I believe that maybe there was the intention of quid pro quo and it never really got to the Ukrainian clear. At least it got to the Ukrainians and I still. I know you're skeptic. Josh asked by so I think the Defense Republicans will end up falling back on. is they got the money. And they didn't make a statement about investigations. We'll soon bill. This is the. This is the sideshow Bob Defense. You know the attempted murder. There's no there's no Nobel prize for attempted chemistry right But that in the simpsons. That's a joke like you know is it. Is it really good enough to say so. You know the president didn't get away with it and therefore no harm no foul. Yeah I think a fifth grader recognize just how paper thin excuses is is. You know won't get you very far in in the real world and we'll get you very far year It's it's not an excuse at all right. Of course the the the point is in the attempt and I agree with what rich rich late. I mean these The excuse the freelancing excuse you know this is each week there's a new sort of angle right and they all kind of keep falling down one after another in large part because of stuff.

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"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

Mueller, She Wrote

14:00 min | 1 year ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote

"Notes. All right let's do an impeachment update. I had a quick impeachment update. But that's not possible these days It's an impeachment update so so both the house. Democrats and Kupperman lawyer have filed responses to the White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney request to be added to copper mines lawsuit seeking guidance on how to respond to a now withdrawn congressional subpoena for Kupperman and both the House and Kupperman filed responses opposing the request by Mulvaney the House Democrats say Cummins Cases Moot because they withdrew subpoena for Kupperman and governments lawyer says says Mulvaney has no claim to immunity. It ain't because he waved it when he told the world. In a press conference there was a quid pro quo among other things. So being by speaking publicly Cooper who is governments attorney a saying that Mulvaney waived his right to absolute immunity which doesn't even exist in the first place but if it were we don't need to even go into the court case for it because he spoke publicly thereby waiving that right if if it exists which it does not. The judge has yet to rule On this on whether Mulvaney join the lawsuit suit. This just in Malvinas filed a response to the responses to the response in the Federal Court. Saying he's no longer going to try to insert himself into the Kupperman case but will instead filed his own lawsuit against the trump administration seeking guidance from federal judges to whether or not he can testify. The White House has released a statement saying this is a non adversary lawsuit and trump and mick or still. BFF's but mulvaney likely is feeling very worried about becoming Senate protect US becoming a fall guy here. Sure so I don't understand why he doesn't just speak to shift maybe ask for immunity and tell the truth Going to court is totally unnecessary and a ruling would offer them no protection. They broke the law. He could easily testify and You know that he could testify that he was just doing. Trump's bidding and be treated much better than obstructing and being all fucking weird like is same with bulletin Kupperman. But something. That's interesting here is a lot of these news. Outlets are saying he you know he he. He's worried that he could be the fall guy. But there's really no such thing thing is a fall guy in this case because trump is the fall. Guy Trump release the transcript. The transcript proved that he bribed and extorted the president of Ukraine. And so I don't even understand Dan how it would be possible for anyone else to take the fall for this well especially in case of Mulvaney you know I mean I know he went out and defended him but in terms of how this all went down over the last few months as far as I know Mick Mulvaney is on implicated directly in any of this other than protecting him in standing for him. Well he did actually offer make the offers. I according to vitamin and Hill okay That the meetings were contingent on okay. So that was him. Yeah okay so name. Sometimes I lose track but Mulvaney was supposedly and and seemingly directed by the president to do so and only Mulvaney can say whether or not he was because all everyone else who's testified said. Yeah there was a quid pro quo. It was improper aide was withheld that's illegal And we all raised concerns But nobody is going to be able to testify to the direct you know ask ask from Trump to Mulvaney or trump to Giuliani or both except for Malvina Giuliani and may be Bolton But but the thing is and this is what Democrats are saying. And we don't care and we don't need it because trump said it and released it releases own transcript generally and Mulvaney said Yeah. He did this on live television. So and and trump himself on live television asked for for the investigation into the Biden's and then ask China for the investigation into the Biden's. Yeah it's all out there so we don't need mulvaney any to tell us it was trump's idea the only possible defense here is that Mulvaney Giuliani cooked. All this up and forced the president to do it which is what trump is now saying. They made me do it. Except he's not saying Mulvaney. Giuliani made him do it. He saying the media made him do it. So it's an interesting angle to take a head to process that. For a second the media made him obstruct not they extract obstruct not extort. But I mean so. That's the only thing I can think of is. If if if Mulvaney Giuliani were to say yeah we cooked all this up. The president had nothing to do with it and we forced him to say that does Alinsky on the call so that we could get. I don't know I don't know it's it's wilder now I also like I was hearing on the way over on. NPR on point someone was saying the challenge for Republicans. Right now is that. It's not just good enough to like quietly support. The president it's not or it's not just good enough to keep silent like he's demanding that Republicans go out and say the call was perfect and he he asked nothing sort of that is loyal enough. He asked Barr Bar to do that. More refused. He asked Well and we know that I mean this is just a common thing that he does as you because when I think it was Sunlen told it was either you von Aventure Hill. I think it was yovany rich. No I think it was hill that in order to save nope we Ivanovich in order to save your job you have to go. Bigger go home tweets. Nice stuff about exactly. You can't just work quietly with your head down just such bullying when it comes to Mulvaney. I'm curious what specifically do you think is the reason he's filing this cordial lawsuit. This friendly Lachey do you. What do you like? What are your Rabin's on that in terms of this specific cities training angle illegally? I honestly think he's just trying to protect himself and I'm not sure from what exactly in less it's a double. Cya because here's normally what happens is you'll say hey we need you to testify. Mulvaney will be like. I'm not comfortable with that. Because the White House told me not to testify and they go. Okay well you know we. We really want you to testify voluntarily. Tell you what send me a subpoena. And then I'll I'll show up and this happened with ours win you know. We tried to get their trump's financial information from them. They were like we're happy to hand it over but we need a subpoena to to provide us legal cover so that trumps trump can't sue US et Cetera and trump is really GIS right so maybe mulvaney things trump might might sue him for violating a non-disparagement or a nondisclosure agreement or or for testifying outside of absolute immunity unity or something like that. That's all I can think of other than maybe as just a delay tactic on behalf of the administration either or I mean it could be means of protecting herself if he does choose to give testimony to the Democrats because trump wants this thing to go past Christmas or not necessarily Christmas but he wants it to go go on long enough to allow bar time to release his report about his investigation into the oranges of the Russia. Investigation and the molar solar probe He wants to give him time. I think here's what I honestly think. Bar has anything he you know because MM Berman and Horowitz the the Department of Justice Inspector General and This guy who are. Durham Durham Burnham. Durham the fucking Guy Bar appointed To to look into the origins of the investigation the investigation or the Russia investigation with the intelligence community very He's he's trying to get them. You know to sort of flip on that. And I think he's got nothing. because like I said Horowitz. What's interviewed Chris Steele And and said he was credible and what he had to say was really kind of very sort of outs. Interesting interesting you know. Oh What he had to say And then of course bar went to Italy and he's like hey tell me about myths Tell me he's working for you so that. Because then he's an asset and you you know they trapped with that whole populist thing was a frame of job and Italy's like Nah he doesn't work for us and no and no and so and then he goes to Australia and Australia's is like Nabo. No that really happened. Popadopoulos said that to Downer and Masud Italy says is not working for Italian intelligence via the FBI in the United United States or the CIA. And then he goes to the UK and UK's like what no our attorney general is going on a world tour to discredit our own intelligence agencies. Yeah and so. And so easy KS. He's like no doubt really happened in Russia attacked us. I think honestly trying to buy time. So that maybe bar Bar can either find or fabricate anything which released because they've been touting the release of this not just the investigation report important the investigation in the Department of Justice into the origins of the investigation but the The Inspector General Report on the origins of the Russia investigation and that was due out a a while ago. And it's still being held up and I and like the McCabe thing you know member when bar was like. Oh we're going to need some more time to say about indicting the Cape. They can't find anything and aren't able to get past the judicial protection that you know that the third branch government offers us. And so I think he's just trying to stall for time to see if he can fabricate or makeup or something up or anything that they can use because when this report comes out it's going to be won't want it's going to be like the Nunez memo. Oh totally Abbar reminds me of like a like a shitty magician at a children's birthday party where he's like does not distract you until the grand finale happens lake nokomis leave leave like he's just like desperately digging around in that box for another trick to distract people with but sorry I feel bad. Magicians No but seriously I mean I. We've talked about this a few times but I think sometimes it's like it's so you're right. It is helpful to this. podcast bears repeating the things that are so abnormal. It bears repeating over and over at that. It's insane that your attorney general's flying around the world to discredit your own intelligence agencies. Mrs Completely unprecedented good. Yeah I I it just and he can't. He's come up Empty Hal. It's all you're right and I think it's I think it's it totally only makes sense if this is all completely means of destruction and distortion. Because they don't have anything he's just buying time time that's so sad And and and there's a lot of things that haven't been released the the FBI New York field office. Inspector General report was a year ago We got one on COCO. We got the one on Komi and struck and page age and those turned out to be fine. They found that they're that If they had any bias or there was there were instances that they displayed biased political bias. It hadn't zero impact on their work. They couldn't find a way to criminally charge. Komi he didn't break the law They said it was probably not kosher of him. To take those memos home of his you know his contemporaneous memos of the discussions that he had with trump that were obstructive And he took him home he took them home and put them in his safe and then gave them to a friend kind of his to release to the press so he didn't do it directly yeah And all of that was found to be not criminal although you know they were like at. That's abnormal and weird and and and companies like this whole fucking thing is abnormal in weird. So I took proper steps that weren't illegal to ensure the AH preservation of this evidence and I told my top five or six guys at the at the at the FBI all of whom don't work for the FBI anymore or have been moved to HR HR discredited someway. Except for I think boat it So it's just it's just they don't have anything and when they don't have anything they don't want to release it because because it's embarrassing and I think the longer they try to push this impeachment so that they can sort of find something and release it before the impeachment is over are and that also might be why they're trying to rush rush through impeachment so fast. Yeah absolutely if I were the dams I'd be like they have nothing. which just take our time on this impeachment And I apologize. I haven't probably GONNA get to the shortly but do you think that once these public hearings begin. Public testimonies is going to change things It changed what things I mean just in terms of like getting the messages out there from these witnesses just out like having it be played on TV over and over and over absolutely one hundred percent. It'll make a difference. Yeah made a difference in Watergate and made a difference in Whitewater and it'll make a difference now and yeah it. It made such a difference Enduring Nick Sonian Times that before the public hearing started and Nixon's The the only nineteen percent of Americans were for impeachment. And we're already at fifty SEDDON. Certainly GonNA move real fast. I think and I think it only needs to move ten or fifteen points or so in order to get gop. Senator Start falling like Dominos and also in the news. Today they love parnassus lawyer has said Rudy. Giuliani directed Parnasse to issue an ultimatum. Earlier this year to a representative of the incoming President Zilenski. So that means that this that that this is what part is saying. So do you take what take it as you will. But that before Alinsky even took the presidency in May was directed by Giuliani. Tuition ultimatum that zilenski would have to announce an investigation into Biden or the US would freeze aid. Pence would not come to his inauguration. Now Frunze lawyer. Who just happens to be John Dowd? From the law. Firm of pardoning dangle said that Freeman was at that meeting and Dan Neither Biden nor pence's visit came up so now we have four quo's to the quid. We have international trade considerations. A White House meeting the release of Military Terry a.d and pence's presence alinsky inauguration because we remember in the reporting that trump wasn't going to send pence..

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

09:28 min | 1 year ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

"Beat reminding you spread liberty with a smile. This is Josh Borough and welcome to left right and center you're civilized yet provocative antidote to the self-contained opinion bubbles that dominate political debate. It is the first week of November and this week. The New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high-quality battleground state polls from the Times paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message from the national polling. We see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders part of the message. Here is that trump electoral college advantage appears to be widening vet is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs continued a weakened Republicans with part of their traditional base. Then it'd be taken away votes in Texas or even more votes in California but in Pennsylvania Michigan Again Wisconsin. Those effects aren't as important things remain close and you could conceivably see Donald trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by an even wider margin than any lost last time and that has a lot of Democrats wondering what they need to do in this primer to prevent that from happening. We're GonNa talk about that later today. And how you should think about poll so far in advance collection but now let's bring our left right and center panel as always. I'm your center. I'm joined by rich lowry editor of National Review on the right on the leftist Bill Rahman of Demos we also have a special guest today Oriole Edwards Lee whose reporter and pulling editor at Huffpost. Hello everyone hey josh hi everybody so. There were elections on Tuesday day. In a few states. We can talk about two thousand nineteen elections before we turn to twenty twenty And Republicans did hold onto the governorship in Mississippi By about six points but in Kentucky Republican Lucan incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last-minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state and he Bashir won that Election Kentucky succeeding where other Democrats have failed in two ways. He held onto part of the ancestral democratic base in Appalachian Eastern Kentucky which is otherwise swung hard toward Republicans. Any made inroads in one strongly strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville Cincinnati. The suburbs also delivered for Democrats in Virginia giving the Party control of both chambers of the state legislature and therefore full control of that states government for the first time in decades Sabil. What lessons do you see in these results? as Democrats look to next year so a couple of things jump out I is. This is a pretty important result for the Democrats right. You have a really important shift in Virginia now with the TRIFECTA that's going to change the politics and the policies that commanded that state. And when you compare pair Virginia and Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really as a strong pattern across the different states there also is a similar move happening in rural counties to in the other direction and I'm sure we'll talk about that in a moment The other thing you know there's a grain of salt rate it's a two thousand nineteen off your election. is hard to extrapolate national no trends. So it's this isn't quite the same as the precursor to two thousand eighteen but it is a strong result for the Democrat rich. When you look at Virginia Democrats felt like we're having in a rough year in Virginia? The black face scandal with the governor and the other black face scandal with the attorney general and rape accusations against the Lieutenant Governor and and some Democrats in the legislature and the governor sticking out of position on abortion that Republicans thought was very extreme and what outrage the median voter. None of that seems to have stopped the steady forward word March of Virginia becoming a blue state. Yes this is marshes right word. It's a trend. That's been going on for a long time. Has To do with demographic changes in the state. Stay becoming better educated doc. Id more suburban more diverse. So the whole divide. We're seeing now between the suburbs and more rural working class voters voters. It's something that's been going on for quite a long time. And trump has just accelerated it and he's His conduct is repellent to a lot of of a former Republicans in the suburbs especially women the question and will address this in a little bit is whether he can do what he didn't. Twenty sixteen. Draw a A A broadly at a radioactive released easy to make radioactive opponent and take off enough of the edge in the in the suburbs to you just barely get over the top again Arielle. Is The national story that simple as you know. Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs and Democrats keep doing worse in rural areas. And if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties I mean I think that is in large part what we are seeing across the country entry and you know I think that can obscure that there will always be things happening in a particular race in a particular level. I mean you saw that in Kentucky Hockey where there were certainly considerations that are not national politics. Obviously that's gubernatorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship is going to influence influence people's votes but you are seeing these broader demographic trends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more. And you know we'll see whether that ends up evening out and whose favourite that is rich. The governors are real notes There were some specific local factors. Matt Bevin was not the best like person including including institutionally in the Republican Party in Kentucky. He tried to defeat Mitch McConnell and a primary a few years ago so after this close result he lost by about five thousand votes. He's basically said he's not concede. He thinks there were regularities. You want free canvas. Maybe he's going to contest the election first of all. What do you like he lost? What do you make of him coming out and saying that right and then also I mean what do you make of the Response Republican Party and Kentucky which has been mostly to sort of ignore him and say well he lost? The five thousand votes is not a lot in the scheme of things. The recount or canvas sincere a scenario huge and the chances overturning that are extremely minimal. Basically impossible so I. I don't like the the the trend we saw stacey. Abrams Georgia as well. You lost please be gracious about it. It's a very tough thing personally as hard to take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards how you truly the winner. When clearly weren't as I hear Democrats worrying about you know what's is is trump gonNA committee lost if he loses the two thousand twenty election and this I? I've been very worried about that. For reasons. That are playing out on the ground at Kentucky. which is you know you can say? I didn't lose. I didn't lose and that can be irrelevant event. If other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here you know the partly I think you know as rich as noting five thousand votes as a lot. If it was five hundred votes we might see a different situation. But also so it's parallel to trump and that you have an executive who the other institutional elements in the party never really wanted in charge and there's a part of them that I'm sure is just pleased to be done with my bedroom. Yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful lesson. I hope you're right back taking the the model of of Kentucky I mean. Look here's the here's the challenge in some ways right that the the decision making factor here is going to be the rest of the institutional right. What the party things right? If the Party doesn't go along with it then it just becomes sort of a slightly embarrassing embarrassing you know. Stance on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away and our democracy proceeds democracy only works if both sides recognize the legitimacy of the results right and so oh I think I think in that sense are right what I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios there. There is such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional power because of the Republican Party disarray fall in line with the president. That's where I I would put more concern presence going to do what he's GonNa do. He always has but At what point does the rest of the party decide. You know what the rules are the rules we have. We have other people. We can put forward in an electoral contest. And we don't need to keep following this train. Well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a that's a good time for us. Talk about impeachment Rich there's there's an article in the New York Times This week about an emerging defense that House Republicans are talking about about a as it becomes clearer that there was some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine ambassador. Gordon Sunland has changed his mind refreshed his recollection and said. Oh Yeah I did. I did tell the Ukrainians cranium that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the Biden's in order to get the release of the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially that these guys were freelancing dancing that yes somehow a message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but maybe trump never authorize them to send that message. Maybe he didn't want to want to. After all trump specifically denied to Senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed a quid pro quo and especially in the case of Rudy Giuliani. Maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial interests. He had all these business interests in Ukraine. Maybe he was using his position. Close to the president to push his own agenda. And that's where this quid pro quo idea came from. The president is innocent and I think in that context. It's worth considering a tweet. That Guiliani sent this week. That looks out really like defense of the president. But I'm not sure it is. He says the investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges unquote. So is it a viable defense of the president to basically throw Rudy Giuliani Elhiani under the bus. And say you know whatever these people did. The president did authorize them to do that. Because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no. I did this in in my capacity as the president's agents yes I say a couple of things one you know. There's a glimmer of an opening for this defense. Because most of the people we've heard from so far is really almost all the people we've heard from so far had what trump was thinking the second or third hand because they weren't the insiders which is more Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely plausible. That Giuliani an important respect. It's cutting into your exercise time..

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on AM Joy

AM Joy

05:08 min | 1 year ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on AM Joy

"Republicans can you continue to hang everything on a ambassador. Volker hold on. We have Mark Meadows. Right here Congressman Meadows. Can we talk a lot so he. He's walking by right now. But Republicans are really struggling to defend the president. Okay great struggling okay. So congressman struggling anything. Oh okay because they're not struggling. Donald trump they serve a funny way of showing it they. They can't seem to find a singular narrative that stick so their defense keeps showy say evolving first White House Chief of Staff Mick. Mulvaney fumbled at a press. Briefing is a quid pro. We do that all the time with foreign policy. Admission blew up in their face. Republicans contri- to argue that since the quid pro quo didn't actually work. It's no big deal. I look at it this way. The aid is air and the investigations. It didn't happen so if there was a quid pro quo. It certainly wasn't very effective when I mean he tried to rob the bank. But it was closed. And then there's trump's golfing buddy and BFF senator Lindsey Graham Cram who so upset about the impeachment process. He can't even bear to read the transcripts of the closed door here. He's which is pretty much his job as a senator who will be part of the impeachment Richmond Jerry. I'm not gonNA read these groups. The whole process is a joke. I find the whole process to be a sham and I'm not gonNA legitimize it took not now. MSNBC political contributor David Jolly of four Republican guardsmen. WHO's no longer with the party David? I'm sorry I don't mean to laugh but really I'm so mad about the process. I refuse to read the evidence that I'm going to have to review as a juror. What is happening? It's one more shameful moment from shameless senator. What we're seeing from Lindsey Graham but consistent with all of the other arguments? No Republican argument will actually touch the fact that the president confess to bribing and extorting a foreign nation state for purposes of benefiting himself politically. And I think that's what we will see on throughout the hearings the public hearings. The question is not will. Will there be anything that changes the opinion of Republican members of Congress. But Will there be anything. That's so shifts public opinion that forces these Republican members to follow them to follow the voters. Because right now we we have no reason to expect leadership from Republicans but we can't expect them to follow if they find fealty fealty to a higher public opinion than their fealty to Donald Trump. Perhaps they'll shift but right now the political strategy joy this don't let the bass erode. Yeah that's it's it goes. If they let the bass road they're going to lose in two thousand twenty well in that to that very point. I got a peek at the RNC talking points that go out every week for their people who go out on television and the talking points for this week were authored by diamond. Silk True Story. This is a bit diamond linen. Silk are out there. This is just a witch hunt strategy bench. This strategy true. And I don't understand. And it's all all going after the whistle blower it's outing the whistle blower trying to out the person who was not on the call the whistleblower was not on the call. They've been corroborated now. That's not necessary necessary but it seems to be the strategy joy of you and I are talking about diamond and we bring the Niro back here in Tampa and listen to the viewers would much rather hear them than here talking about diamond and silk somebody to people who are intellectually vacuous but perfectly positioned to lead the trump impeachment impeachment defense because it is an intellectually vacuous defense. Look at the end of the day that the sad part here as we laugh about it is that in their fealty to a a a week and angry president these Republicans will be turning their back on their constituents on their children on the nation. They'll be leaving the constitution more shredded around the edges. It has been and I think what angers a lot of people in this moment. That certainly does me is these Republicans will sit in the Pews of their evangelical churches tomorrow professing a conviction conviction to right and wrong but they'll turn left and right to their fellow parishioners and say yeah but it doesn't apply to people on our team because at the end of the day what the president did was wrong and none of these arguments arguments approach the positive moment when Donald Trump on that phone call. Ask for an investigation into his political opponent. That is the bank robber holding the gun at the teller saying give me your money and any of the arguments. The latest argument that perhaps all this stopped at the Mulvaney Giuliani level that the president was not involved in the orchestration. And this attempt yes it was because he executed the bribery and extortion on that phone. Call you can't get away from it. And so Republicans are going to lose the impeachment. Vote in the house. The question is are there enough. Senators to stand up for for the country when they're faced with whether or not to convict or not. Yeah very well said it's thuggish. It's it's thuggish politics and we'll see if republicans want to wrap themselves around that for another year or so. David Jolly thank you so much always great to talk to you. Thank you thank you coming up I I will tell you about the biggest. Losers of Tuesday's.

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes

All In with Chris Hayes

06:06 min | 1 year ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes

"Joined by Michael mcfaul former ambassador Russia and Ambassador Nancy Soderberg former deputy assistant at the NFC NFC Ambassador Soda talked to You. I one thing that comes out in these transcripts. Is that the folks that are piecing this together whether it's few and a hill who is at the NFC see we're used to work or it's Lieutenant Colonel Vinson or others. They're not getting the full story because someone is hiding the ball from them because the people that are running the rogue operation are wise enough to understand that what they are trying to do is probably elicit an inappropriate. You get that sense from what we've learned. That's exactly what happened. The career Foreign Service officers were shoved aside the National Security Council process which would have the experts make a recommendation to the president and then the president would agree to it and the career people follow it out sometime. There's a political appointee involved in this but present shoved that aside and had Rudy Giuliani on in some Russian oligarchs and Ukrainian corrupt goons are actually now under indictment in the US. Justice System Tryin Ryan pull a fast one on the US government and extort the president of Ukraine and the difference here for the president is. He's always been able to control his narrative. He's brilliant a showman and a few skating. What really happened? It's always worked for him and what he's finally only a up against is in a career bureaucrats who are patriots telling the truth and he is not going to be able to run away from the truth and all of those around around ten. We're going to have to make a decision. Are they going to have to justify. It was okay to hold up aid to the president's gain or are they going to come out and tell the truth and say no no. I'm actually not on board with that. Mick Mulvaney Giuliani William Bar. What's he doing now? All of these people need to realize realized the truth is something they cannot run away from anymore Mick Mulvaney I want to get to him in a second but ambassador mcfaul I read a story today about Ah Republicans in the House workshop in their defense is the president and one of the things that work shopping just you know it is a hard job and I. I don't envy them. I and they're you know blue-sky here run up the flagpole see what catches win and they've they've decided that maybe one idea is it like everyone was freelancing Gordon Sean Lennon Giuliani Mick Mulvaney whether the president but you know and this was actually defense that worked for Reagan Iran-contra Right. It never actually got the president in Iran Contra but Ronald Reagan number called up the ayatollah. Said we're going to sell you some weapons so we can go fund the contras like the phone call makes it impossible for this not to touch the president right. Yeah Chris I'm really glad you're pivoting back to the transcript because that's exactly right. It's clear as day. I remember the days before whether he's going to release that. I kept kept saying on television programs like yours. There's no way they'll ever release a transcript of a presidential conversation. And then when he did I was shocked at what was is there and I don't think you need to know anything. More than just two things. Just the transcript and then the text messages that we know from the three Amigos that were released when Kurt Volker testified. Because those two things show two things that you underscored I just WanNa keep keep making it simple one this. This is what they're asking for the quid pro quo and two. There was a long period that they were doing it both before. And after the call to try to make this quid pro quo. Oh Happen Ambassador Soderberg. You mentioned Mick Mulvaney today. He was subpoenaed to appear about five minutes before his appearance. The White House said he would not be appearing because absolute immunity but the two transcripts released today. Do implicate him in something key here. which is that? He was the one who gave the order to uphold the aid. That of course is the thing. They're dangling over Ukrainian government do you think he is going to be able to avoid having to account for what he did throughout throughout this entire process. No all of these guys are going to have to lawyer up and ultimately decided they're gonNA lie for the President of the United States and go to jail or or are they going to come around like Sunland did the other day in and fess up to what exactly happened. Remember Mick Mulvaney is on the record saying in a press conference get over it. This is what we do all the time. He tried to escape that. But I think all of these all of these people are going to have to recognize that they go into have to choose or they're going to try and cover for the president or face their own lawyers and what's going on in in Congress the truth we know what happened and I think the latest of China throw. The deputies are under the bus as if they weren't working for the president of the United States is is going to be a twenty four hour trial balloon. That's GONNA rapidly burst. They're gonNA just keep trying to partly because the president is controlling this narrative and it's changing being daily so the poor guys who are trying to implement this scheme and whatever. The latest President Narrative is are you know it's like a keystone cops circus. Because if it weren't so serious and I think they need to. They need to start thinking about. What is the future for their own careers? And what culpability are they gonNA face personally for participating in this game and it's all going to come out and I think you'll see people starting to peel off ambassador mcfaul another argument that I've seen and I saw floated today I think actually by former UN ambassador Nikki Haley in an interview that she just gave. And I've seen other people say is basically well. It didn't work right in the end they didn't get the CNN interview where Zilenski announces a big new investigation and the aid was released now. The aid was only released under congressional pressure the whistle blower but I wonder if someone who worked as an ambassador. We're inside government like how seriously you take the argument that they failed in extorting. Ukrainian president.

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Anderson Cooper 360

Anderson Cooper 360

05:19 min | 1 year ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on Anderson Cooper 360

"At his at his famous slash infamous press conference a couple of weeks ago. You know. I think the Democrats are making a choice here. which I don't know is necessarily the right choice? There are two witnesses uses who could really talk about what Donald Trump himself said about the relationship with Ukraine because they are the ones who saw him every day. Remember the Republican defense. Here is that all these lower level witnesses are just hearsay witnesses. Will you Mick Mulvaney. The Chief of staff and John Bolton the national security adviser and both of them have refused to testify so far their legal position is somewhat different but in fact they have said they're not going to testify absent a court order the the the as you heard from Congressman Heck. They're not going to court art. They are simply think they have enough without these two witnesses. Maybe they do maybe they don't I don't know I mean that's a big sacrifice to give up those two witnesses he says Danny Heck says we're not going to play rope a dope basically. He said that four times. I don't know if it's time it's timing. It's time this is weeks or months yes it it is. Obviously it's their mind but you could also do two things at once. I mean you you could pursue this case while you are. I mean the the Intelligence Committee Mitty hearing is is next week and probably the week after you're going to have hearings before the Judiciary Committee sometime later in December. I don't know why you give up on these witnesses without even trying to expedite a court hearing I mean maybe it is too slow. Maybe and maybe they're too risky. I mean maybe they think these witnesses will turn turn on them. I just think if you want to know the facts you you would really want to hear from and Bolton on the very day that there are a lot finger pointing the direction and Mick Mulvaney there's a story of the Washington Post was suggest that some Republicans might make Mulvaney Giuliani sunlen befall guys here. Here we talked about this morning and I've been thinking and and when I called you in the morning no when we were on television this morning and I've been thinking about it a lot since we talked about it and I do think that there is a muddying the water strategy that this White House has been very effective at using. We saw the music during the Mueller investigation. We've seen the music through all sorts of other. Controversies controversies where they're basics position. It's proven right over and over again is people aren't really paying that much attention to the voters aren't paying that much. Attention the details so if we just handle it that way it's it's okay. It's so much harder to do that here. There's the president on the in the transcript of the call with Celeski and one thing I'm really struck by. which is that Giuliani tweet? This didn't get Looked at much but Giuliani when he tweeted that he had hired a lawyer. He tweeted right before he tweeted. The name of the lawyer The lawyers ears That he was doing this at the for essentially at the direction of his client That was very specific. Wording that was not in the general interest of my client and that was leading it right back to the president so I think this is going to get more complicated than they might anticipate. Let's talk about John Bolton for a second Jeffrey because you brought him up also the National National Security Advisor this to me strange in tantalizing but strange because is tantalizing letter from Bolton's lawyer saying he's got relevant things to say. If you WANNA go have a judge say he has to testify. Why dangle that I don't understand why he's dangling that in front of Congress well you know he is is in a different legal position than the lower level White House? Aides who have testified if the executive privilege exists at all it probably probably does exist for people at the level of National Security Advisor and Chief of staff and so Charles Cooper his lawyer who is someone who's very knowledgeable eligible about these subjects. I mean he said look you know we just want a court to decide this. We don't want to be in the position of making this decision. We will abide Bide Bhai whatever the courts decide now he could simply take a risk and just go ahead and testify. But he doesn't want to do that. I it's an unusual legal strategy. So the lawyers call it Interp- leader where you basically say. I'll do whatever you want judge but I'm not I'm not following. I'm I'm not taking a position. That's where he's going but in fact the way the Democrats are proceeding. It means. He's not gonNA test. You can do all those things legally Maggie without how this letter announcing to the world. I know things that's the Porta that seems strange to me. I had the same reaction you do. I didn't I don't understand the significance from a legal perspective him doing that. I do think perhaps and again I'm guessing here but I think it puts the White House and the president on some notice reminding them that he knows a lot that he could be sharing. I think that it you know again. Go back to what we said about early on Mulvaney. It's not lost on them. All that they could become scapegoats and I suspect that they are going to make clear Why why that isn't so all right? Jeffrey stand by much more to discuss. We have president trump's reaction to this ready steady drumbeat of of testimony. That was released this week. And we're GONNA talk to an adviser to four different presidents Republican and Democratic about the role that presidents chiefs of staff play in all.

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

09:58 min | 1 year ago

"mulvaney giuliani" Discussed on KCRW

"Of the mouse and our special guest this week is Arielle Edwards levy reporter and pulling editor at HuffPost it is the first week of November and this week The New York Times made a lot of liberals nervous new high quality battleground state polls from the times paint a picture of a close twenty twenty election sending a different message from the national polling we see more often with big leads for Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders part of the message here is that trumps electoral college advantage appears to be widening that is whatever trends are happening in the suburbs they continue to weaken Republicans with part of their traditional base that may be taken away votes in Texas or even more votes in California but in Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin those effects aren't as important things remain close and you could conceivably see Donald Trump be reelected while losing the popular vote by an even wider margin that he lost last time we're gonna talk about that later today and how you should think about polls so far in advance of election so there were elections on Tuesday in a few states we talk about twenty nineteen elections before turn to twenty twenty and Republicans did hold on to the governorship in Mississippi by about six points but in Kentucky Republican incumbent Matt Bevin lost despite a last minute assist from president trump who rallied for him in the state any Bashir won that election Kentucky succeeding were other Democrats have failed in two ways he held on the part of the ancestral democratic base an Appalachian eastern Kentucky which is otherwise swung hard toward Republicans any made inroads in once strongly Republican suburbs of Louisville and Cincinnati the suburbs also delivered for Democrats in Virginia giving the party control of both chambers of the state legislature and therefore full control of that state's government for the first time in decades US appeal what lessons do you see in these results are as Democrats look to next year so a couple things jump out at first is this is a a pretty important is for the Democrats right you have a really important shift in Virginia now with the tri factor that's gonna change the politics in the policies that come out of that state and we compare Virginia Kentucky this move in the suburbs that you're describing really is a strong pattern across the different states I was in there also is a similar move happening in rural counties to in the other direction and I'm sure we'll talk about that in a moment the other thing that you say that you know there's a grain of salt right it's a twenty nineteen is off your election it's hard to extrapolate national trends so it's this isn't quite the same as a precursor to twenty eighteen but it is that a strong result for the Democrats rich when you look at Virginia Democrats it felt like we're having a rough year in Virginia you know you have the the black face scandal with the governor and the other black face scandal with the Attorney General and rape accusations against the lieutenant governor and some Democrats in that legislature and the governor staking out a position on abortion that Republicans thought was very extreme and what outrage the median voter none of that seems to stop the steady forward March Virginia becoming a police state yes so this is a marches right word it's a trend that's been going on for a long time has to do with demographic changes in the state state coming better educated more suburban more diverse so the whole divide we're seeing now between suburbs and more rural working class voters it's something I've been going on for quite a long time and trump is just xcelerated it and he's his conduct is repellent to a lot of of former Republicans in the suburbs specially women the question and we'll I guess dresses in at a little bit is whether he can do what he did in twenty sixteen draw a a broadly at our our radioactive released easy to make radio active opponent and take off enough to the edge in the in the suburbs to just barely get over the top again Arielle is the national story that simple as you know Republicans keep doing worse in especially inner suburbs and Democrats keep doing worse and rural areas and if that is the story is that an even trade between the two parties I mean I think that is in large part what we are seeing across the country and you know I think that can obscure that there will always be things happening in a particular race in a particular level I mean you saw that in Kentucky where they were certainly considerations that were not national politics obviously that's a gubernatorial race where it's a little bit of a different story in terms of how much partisanship is going to influence people's votes but you are seeing these broader demographic trends of just these areas sorting themselves out more and more and you know we'll see whether that ends up evening out and his favorite either rich the governors are real notes were some specific local factors Matt Bevin was not the best like person including institutionally in the Republican Party and Kentucky he tried to defeat Mitch McConnell in a primary few years ago so after this close resulting loss by about five thousand votes he's basically said he's not going to concede he thinks there were regularities he wants like the canvas maybes gonna contest the election first of all what do you like he lost what do you make them coming out and saying that and also I mean what do you make of the response the Republican Party in Kentucky which has been mostly to sort of ignore him and say well you lost the five thousand votes is not a a lot you know in the scheme of things but in that recount every campus in Surrey a scenario is huge and the chance of overturning that are extremely minimal it's basically impossible so I I don't like the that this trend we saw Stacey Abrams do it Georgia as well you lost please be gracious about it's very tough things personally it's hard to take but go away and don't tell us for years afterwards how you were truly the winner when clearly weren't yes bill I I as I hear Democrats worrying about you know what's is is trump going to admit he lost if he loses the twenty twenty election in this you know I I have not been very weird about that for reasons that are are playing out on the ground a Kentucky which is you know you can say I didn't lose I didn't lose and that can be irrelevant if other people won't go along with it and it looks to me here you know the that partly I think you know as as rich as noting five thousand votes as a lot of it was five hundred votes we might see a different situation but also it's it's peril to trump in that you have an executive who the other institutional elements the party never really wanted in charge and there's a part of them that I'm sure is just you know please to be done with that yeah I mean I think I think that's a hopeful lesson I hope you're right taking the the model of of Kentucky I mean look here's the here's the challenge in some ways right that day that decision making factor here is gonna be the rest of the institutional right what the party that's right the party doesn't go along with it then it just becomes sort of a slightly embarrassing yep stands on the part of the losing candidate and it goes away in our democracy proceeds into marks the only works if both sides recognize the legitimacy of the results right and so I think I I think in that sense you return are right what I worry about is when we talk about the impeachment scenarios you know there there's such a strong incentive at the moment for the institutional power brokers of the Republican Party to serve fall in line with the president that that's where I would put more concerned right presents gonna do what he's gonna do we always has but at what point does the rest of the party decide you know what the rules are the rules we have a we have other people we can put forward in an electoral contest and we don't need to keep following the strain well let's talk about impeachment I think that's a that's a good time for a stock item peach meant at rich there's there's an article in The New York Times this week about an emerging defense that house Republicans are talking about I as it becomes clear that there was some sort of quid pro quo here around Ukraine ambassador Gordon Sunland has changed his mind he refreshed his recollection and said oh yeah I did I did tell the Ukrainians that they would have to make this public statement about investigating the bidens in order to get the release the military aid and so Republicans are talking about the possibility of saying essentially that these guys were freelancing that yes somehow message got to the Ukrainians that there was this quid pro quo that but maybe truck never authorized him to send that message maybe didn't want to want to after all trump's specifically denied to senator Ron Johnson that he had proposed a quid pro quo and especially in the case of Rudy Giuliani maybe he was even acting for his own independent financial interests yet all these business interests in Ukraine maybe he was using his position close to the president bush's own agenda and that's where this quid pro quo idea came from and the president is innocent and I think in that context it's worth considering a tweet that Rudy Giuliani said this week that looks out really like defense the present but I'm not sure it is he says the investigation I conducted concerning twenty sixteen Ukrainian collusion corruption was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges on quote so is it a viable defense of the president to basically throw Rudy Giuliani under the boss and say you know whatever these people did the president did not authorize them to do that because it certainly sounds like Giuliani is going to say no I did this and in my capacity as the president's agents yes I say a couple things one yeah there's a glimmer of an opening for this defense because most people we've heard from so far I guess really all almost all the people we've heard from so far had what trump was thinking in second or third hand because they were at the end insiders which is you know more Bolton Mulvaney Giuliani and it's entirely possible that Giuliani and and import respects was freelancing I think that would be the have to do more with his business dealings in Ukraine so it's just hard to believe that that these guys got this cooked up this idea on on their own in house has the defense eight get with held you know did towards someone to and trump mentions on the call talked to Rudy which again is an indication that he in route here are on the on the same board on this so a month ago when it was still pretty early I had a theory that in my defense I offer tentatively that maybe that was the intention the quid pro quo and it it never really got to the train so it's clear at least it got to the Ukrainians and I still I know you're skeptics out by so that I think the defense Republicans and it'll end up falling back on is they got the money and they did make a statement about investigations well so the Seville this is the this is the sideshow Bob defense you know the the you know attempted murder there's no there's no Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry right but that in this instance that's a joke like.

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