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Trade Talk: Eli Apple to Saints, Amari Cooper to Cowboys, Snacks to Lions | The NFL Deep Dive Podcast
"On July fourth two thousand nine former NFL quarterback Steve McNair in his mistress Jenny Kazimi were found dead in a Nashville conduct. The police included the Jennie had killed McNair in a murder suicide, but was at the whole truth. The genyk is aiming really kill Steve McNair. I said there's no way that Ginny would pull that off from Sports Illustrated fall of titan available now subscribe on apple podcasts or every get your shows. We've got traits to talk about what he li- apple brings the saints. Why snacks Harrison isn't quite what the lions needed and only cow. The Cowboys over invest in Amari Cooper, plus breaking down saints. Vikings Packers Rams and trying to figure out what? The patriots win so many games in which they lose the turnover battle. It's all on the MPV NFL Dodd podcasts. Hello. And welcome to the m QB NFL. Deep dive podcast. I'm Gary gramling. He is and even know it we're gonna do something slightly different. But not that much different this week. We had a couple of trades this week. So we are going to talk about the trees, we are going to use those trades to talk about the games for these guys on their new teams. And while we don't have a Packers ramps trade, but we're gonna talk about the game anyway because really good then we'll have the mini mail bag. That's going to be good show. Yeah. It sounds good. And you know, we've gotten off to our listeners don't know this. But it's and it's totally my fault were off to a slow start due to technical difficulties. Which means you're getting the cranky version of me. 'cause you know, what I've I've learned over the years, Gary sometimes when things go wrong in hindsight, all I it was actually all right? We this happened. Because of that we learned for men, we're all better from it. I have never once felt that way in my life about technical difficulties things with computers or connections, or I've never felt like I gained any value from the tough learning experience. I haven't learned anything from the experiences. It just makes me mad every time. Well, I like it when you're you have a chip on your shoulder. Now, your analyst is going to be especially on point this week. I did think I part of me does think I'm a more efficient speaker when I mad which makes for a better show typically. So maybe we're fine here. Go ahead. Get going. Let's jump into it. So we're gonna talk about four d. Here we talked about Carl's hide a little bit. But we'll go a little deeper on him. But we are actually going to start with the saints. Vikings game the Sunday night or the rematch of last year's NFC divisional round game, the the miracle Minnesota, but let's start with you. I apple lie. Apple goes from giants to the saints and the impact on the saints here. Let sort of step back and forget about ally. Apple as a high draft as he was Eddie in your opinion at this point. What is Eli apple? Well, I think he'll Apple's a quality player. And I don't know how he is teammate. Or how he is personally. I haven't heard great things. But I haven't heard a whole lot that other people haven't heard so. Yeah, I think if he were a joy to deal with any were told him it. Sure. Probably would not be traded. So I don't think this is an on field issue with the saints. What they're getting is a talented number two and their case, it's a number two corner. And. And having a guy who can play all types of man and zone, which I think apple think he's great at it. But I think in the broad sense he can play all types of manners zone. That's only going to expand their scheme and give them options opposite. Marshon lattimore. Well, it really is. I it's really a no risk move for the for the saints. Now, they give a a low draft pick to bring the guy who could be a relatively inexpensive compliment to Marshon Lattimore now, so they were they were already getting better defensively after a bit of a shaky start this year. And and the seems like if nothing shouldn't hurt them. Yeah. I agree with you a lot of people say, well, they only have one draft pick left now who cares gave up a fourth in the seventh round pick for him. You're not gonna get most likely a better player with either of those picks, and you then you're getting with apple here. Your window to win now is open, and you don't know how long it will. Stay open your quarterbacks oldie doesn't look like he's slowing down. He's a little bit older the NFL. Nobody's window stays open for long. I like this move a lot. And I also think Gary this saints pass rush will get better as the season goes along, Marcus Davenport. You can see the talent very raw. There's a lot to refine. But that can only improve and they're gonna figure out there nickel defensive tackle situation. And that will make everybody better including Cam Jordan, who has started to look like the Cam Jordan of last year this this month. Yeah. Well, let's let's talk about the Sunday night match up here with the Vikings. Obviously. Viking strength is those wideouts. They have probably the best white out tandem in in the NFL at this point. And now the saints have I I don't know how much apple will be sort of thrown into the fire here on you know, he he's a writing. On a well. It's a short week for him. Now. But you know, this this is if they're going to get beat by the Vikings. They're gonna get beat by the white outs would seem and something that surprised me this season. I've seen defenses Patrick Peterson. For example, another guy who's been in these trade conversations when the cardinals face dividing za few weeks ago Peterson traveled with Stefan digs not Adam feeling. And I think digs is a tremendous player is good of a route runners the NFL has feelings number one receiver on that team though. That's that was clear last year as season went along us become even clearer this year. So I would be showing I believe correct me if I'm wrong, I think Lattimore did travel with feeling when they met in the championship game last season. That has to be the match up though. I can't believe that we've seen some teams treat Stefan digs the number one receiver because this offense clearly runs through Adam feeling. Well, I was gonna say is that the old you put your number one with? Less help on the opponent's sort of one air receiver. And then you you have the additional safety help going to the actual number one. Yeah. That's a good question. I it could be that. In New Orleans Casal. Lattimore though, he traveled with number one receivers. They don't put them on an island. Snap after snap. They will change it up a little bit. They'll give him safety help at times. Now, my sense is they do that. Because they wanted to stay a little bit unpredictable. And what you're describing that the bell. Check used to do that against TY Hilton the colts when they were playing every year for a while there and meaningful playoff games. That's something. The saints have done to at times this season. The giants when they played the giants. They put their number two corner on Beckham and then a safety over the top. It didn't do it often. But they did it just enough. So maybe they'll change up their tactics. They're not a diverse defense hugely, Gary. But they are diverse just enough that there's no way to pinpoint exactly what they are. You don't know what you're getting every single snap. And the Vikings had not made a trade at least as of the time of this taping. But. They get a big big move here with Everson Griffen returning to the lineup unclear if you will play against the saints, but he is back with the team. So I guess is kind of the occasional progress report where are the Vikings defense. Now, would would you say they're back at the level? They were when they were playing it such an elite level last year. I think they're getting back to that. And having Griffin in the mix that will only help. Weatherly has been good at left defensive end. The Neil hunter who's moved over to. Right. The end when Griffin's been out. He's been fine. They're both a little bit one dimensional here. Griffin. Will give you that power that bullrushes factor. I hope he plays his games. I'd love to see him go up against Tehran. Armstead. I think arm set has been the best left tackle in the NFL this season. And if there's one way you can beat them, and I haven't seen it happen yet. But if I were if I had to coach D line, and I had to get someone ready to play against Armstead. I would think you would be with the bull rush. And nobody has a better bull rush than ever Griffin. All right. Let's let's talk about another. X giant Damon Harrison goes from the giants of the lions, and let's briefly let's talk about the the giants. This is clearly even though the they are still within striking distance in a down NFC east. They clearly decided it's time to do at least a mini tear down of this roster. Which is I mean, they have so much talent at the skill positions on offense. But they really just don't have a whole lot else. The in the trenches. They are bad that offense of line is bad and Damon Harrison was still a highlight. And and alleviate Vernon has been decent is two games back, but they have too many holes on this team. Yeah. I think this is more of a lion story than a giant to the giants. It's fire sale babies. A little I mean, it's that's what they're doing. Their guys are for sale. I was surprised Detroit made this move because the one thing I I liked the -troit's man demand corners. I like. At the at the lettuces, and they have it linebacker. They're safeties. And man coverage. The one thing I do not like, and there's no reasonable person would be optimistic about this is their eggs rushing. Their pass rush overall and Harrison is great as he is. If you told me when I woke up this morning before I heard the news. Hey, the lions made a trade for a big name defensive lineman. I would've said I guarantee it's an edge rusher because that's all they need. They do not need run stuffers, or clogs or interior guys. They're they're fine. Their hand their four outings or fourth round rookie. He's getting better for my liking, Sean Robinson. Although it my sense is Patricia doesn't like him as much as I do. I'm surprised that they would go this far to take because you get him at a good price fifth round. Everyone would want Damon Harrison Ford fifth round pick. But you also get the Damon Harrison contract that comes with it. So this was not a need filling move by the lions, I'm not quite sure I under. Her stand it. Yeah. I mean on one hand you really can't go out and get a pass rusher. This time of year. I mean, they just they're not available on the market. They're really not available on the open market, very often. So that's not an option for Detroit. I wonder if they just they heard the price, and they said, look, we we want our identity to be basically strong in the trenches. That's why we will built up the offensive line the way we did. And that's why we're going to build up this defense line. The the way we're building it now. And you know, they just kind of like the price, and obviously Damon Harrison is still a really good player and his just cleared up. His cap hit his seven million next season and nine point two five million in twenty twenty which is the last year of his deal. He's twenty nine years old now. So that's not an unreasonable price to pay for him the science of Esther Williams this off season. It's a big price. So it's a big price to pay for a run defender. The science of Esther Williams us offseason, who's not. As good as Harrison, but they got him at a much lesser rates. He hasn't played a whole lot. A Sean Robinson will be due for a second contract soon. They're not going to give it to them. So I guess the more you think about the move make sense. But it doesn't correct. A big overarching issue thing that keeps sitting in the back of my mind as I root for Gary gramling Super Bowl prediction NFC championship in to come true. Which is I don't see how Detroit can go very far with such an inept pass rush. They have absolutely nothing in their pass rush. Matt Patricia gets done and other ways of patriots were like that too. But you've gotta be able to do a little bit more than nothing rushing the passer. No, I don't think they can against a good old line. Look, there's something me said. And again, I look I'm not gonna sit here and say they actually have a good pass Russia. You get a run stuffer in there. I think to an extent it frees up the other guys on the defensive line to to maybe focus on getting up the old a little bit more. But the other thing I mean, this is look this is the Matt Patricia m oh, let's get the big guys in the middle at stop the run. Let's let's bend not break. And when we get to the red zone. Let's let's get a little more creative than and maybe they do more blitzing do some things a little more exotic down there now that they sort of are comfortable with the guy anchoring the middle of that defensive line. And they also diversify their fronts just enough that they're hard to play against two. They don't blitz very much. But they don't give you the same look either. So it's not just plugging in big guys and owning the trenches and they can't run the ball on us. They want athlete big is because they sometimes ask those men to play to gaps or one gap. And you're not quite sure which is which so the more athleticism that you have at size think Malcolm Brown the first round pick for the patriots. That was a big deal. They went out and traded for Danny Shelton that kind of scheme demand size and talent. So. In that sense. The Harrison, I'm making a terrible case for a guy that doesn't understand the trade saying, it's not a great move in that sense. It also is a pretty good move. So I think Harrison fits with the lions do overall. They're just but to answer your thinking Jerry Davis is best pass rusher right now. Gary. Yeah, that's unfortunate. 'cause he's also their best, man. Demand defender underneath can't be those two things at once. Well, they host the Seahawks this weekend. And this is an interesting game Seahawks. Bouncing back a little bit. You know, they are they are in a position where they can potentially make a run out of wild guard. Obviously the Rams are gonna run away with that with that division. They're sitting at three and three right now. And a lot of people thought this would be law season for them. They're run game is what has been fueling them. And obviously the lions just just beefed up their run defense here. So I guess you like that match up a little more for the lions at this point. You do. I think you have to have Russell Wilson involved in the running game. Not him running the ball but him as a threat running the ball which cardinals or the Seahawks. I thought cardinals because that's the best game. They've done it this season they killed zone without a few weeks ago. But that's what the Seahawks need to do. I impressed with their own line. It's clearly a better coach June it this year than it has been before. But I don't think they'll just ran the ball down to -troit's throats, and this really this conversation overall, we're having about Detroit's pass rush. Gary it probably applies better to a different game on a different week. Because when you're facing Russell Wilson that's one time where you can live with a mush type of rush, which is what the Choi gets from there. Guys every snap. You wanna just keep is on Wilson. And find a way to keep them in the pocket and the lions they are equipped to do that. So I don't think their pass rushes as big factor in this game. Anyway, the unintentional mush rush. That's always. That's what they do. That's romeo. Aquaria canard. Who by these are good players. They're just not address Shire's. Yeah. Yep. Lions lines offense. We talked about it a little bit on Sunday. It's the run game is getting going here at this point. So that's a that's a little more of a complete offense. And it's going to be a test for a Seahawks defense that we've been saying for the past couple of months, especially wants Thomas went down. It's just it's a different. It's a different beast out there. And and you know, this this lions trio of receivers I mean, this is a big test for that Seahawk secondary. It is and that running game they're facing they killed Miami. Tactically several times, and it was all man demand blocking. There was almost no zone running. It was man on ma'am blocking different designs with it. And they're getting the same defensive structures this week as it got last year because you know, what fronts the dolphins will play out of their cover three. And you know, what fronts the Seahawks will play out of their cover three? So I think we'll see Detroit theoretically, they can dictate with their. Running game. Again. I love the way carry on John Johnson executes in that. And then the other thing I like about this offense, and you touched on their wide receivers. And there that's a tough group two match up against a golladay outside Marvin Jones, and then golden Tate in the slot. That might be as good a trill stylistically almost any trio in the NFC at least take Minnesota out of that conversation, though. But they're also doing a better job with route combinations. It's a highly teamed or a higher schemed passing game this year than it has been even previous years under Jim Bob cooter. So lions off they're coming together. In a lot of different ways right now. Gary, I think they're going to be one of the best offenses and football by December. Let's let's go out to London here. And as we discussed Monday and in the Monday show, and it sort of came to fruition after we taped the Jaguars will turn back to Blake Bortles, which really is in. Look, you don't have to be a huge Blake Bortles supporter to to understand that. He's just he's far more talented Cody Kessler if the Jaguars are going to win games and compete to champ for championship and get back on track. Here Bortles will be the guy who is doing it under center, they did get curls tied year. So we'll see this week. They can maybe get back to that that that power running run first identity that they really want to have this point. I thought it was I watched that film. After after we talk Sunday night about the Bortles, benching I watch film, very first thing that I thought was unfair to bench him. I know we had an ugly fumble and he had another one two fumbles in the first half. And one of them was really get that. But that was an ugly off. Offensive performance. Overall. The receivers were not winning. They have been in a lot of other weeks. They were not last week and for Doug Marrone. If it were Bortles might be a different conversation. But with Bortles who's already been escape goat. And he's already been culprit for so many things for so many years to bench him. And then reignite this conversation about them. I didn't think that was the wisest move. It seemed like it seemed like a staff whether it was Marrone or whoever was on the decisions flew off the handle a little bit. After that. I mean, it was a bad fumble on that scramble deep in their own territory. And that was sort of a. You know, cooler heads had to prevail at that point. Because really, look my problem is if you had a viable alternative, you can talk about it. They're Cody Kessler, just he's not a viable alternative to win that game or to become your playoff bound team starting quarterback. It's just it's not it's not something that makes sense. Let's look the eels real quickly here. We've talked about the offense. Plenty the defense is now blown big second. Half leads to the titans into the Panthers teams. You look at and say those are not teams capable of coming coming back from big second half deficits. And I kind of we'll talk about the defense. They're missing McCloud. And we already knew they were shaking on the back end. I just kind of wonder the chiefs on Sunday night. And granted this was a blow game anyway. But they're still putting points on the board in the second half. But they have a shaky fence they are closing out games by basically just scoring so many points. It's just outta reach. It doesn't matter. If they're defense is bad. They've scored enough points that you can't catch them. This is not you know in both those games they didn't put up points of the second half and the defense had to get stops. But ultimately, they just gave up, you know, two three scoring drives. And that was that ended up being the difference. Well that pass version Philadelphia's not the same as it was last season there guys you have some guys who are flashing. Michael Bennett is flash Fletcher. Cox didn't last week. But for most games he has shown up and jumped off the film like he does really strong player. But by Brandon Graham, they're all doing it less than they did a year ago, and they're not doing it. Collectively last season four man rush. From the eagles almost always disrupted the pocket and compromise timing of your place. So they made it hard to execute snap after snapping that Carolina game. Cam Newton had a clean pocket to play for member. That eagles D line dominated the Panthers line when they met on Thursday night football last year, it was Ditoto reverse in this past game and on snaps where the pressure did get home. Newton a nice job of alluding it. And it wasn't collective pressures individuals winning here or there, but there's not an overall noisy nece from the four. Amand pass rush. And what we're seeing now with you said mcleod's out Sidney Jones was out last game. They're just not as good on the back in this year. So a decline in pass rush will lead to a decline of Philadelphia's overall defensive performance, and that's what we've seen. The other thing is Phillies point about close out games. Have really good one Gary 'cause the Panthers ran only thirty plays in the first three quarters of that game so Phillies sustained offense kept the ball kept Carolina off the field. But then they got the fourth quarter. And that's when the Panthers ran the other thirty plays a ran half their plays came in the fourth. So it's not like there was a furious comeback so much as just they got to stay on the field for a while. Eagles eagles offense member last year. Eagles running game was dominant that has not been the case weekend and week out this year. So the offense is less consistent. Yeah. It has not just just real quick. In those in those two games. I mentioned after after open up the lead against the Panthers. They they went punt punt fumble fumble was that last last drive in that game to close that one out and then against the titans scored that touchdown early in the second half to open up a big lead. And then they went fumbled. Punt punt field goal to finish that one out. So. Yeah. A little bit on both sides of the ball. I guess is more my point. Although you'd be much more concerned, but the defense going forward with the the defending champs here. Keep it in the NFC east this. Steam does not have a game this week. But this trade was consummated shortly after we taped on on Sunday for the Monday show Amari Cooper from the raiders to the Cowboys. I think Jon Gruden might have just one executive the year with that move. But this was I. I get lighted. And again, like we just talk about the lines lines. Need an edge rusher? You can't go out and get an edge rusher. This time of year that they're just they're not on the market. The fact that there are quality Cornerbacks available is is something of that teams are going to jump on. But there's just no addresses. There's no receivers either. I don't know what the Cowboys involvement was on Josh, Gordon and Josh Gordon came some other red flags but asking for a one for Amari Cooper, like the raiders were doing league-wide that seemed unrealistic that seemed like they were almost saying. Okay. Well, we're just going to keep them. We're gonna ride it out with them. We're gonna see we can get something out of him. I mean, this is a huge price for the Cowboys to to pay this point. And you know, we talked about Cooper a lot this off season. And I believe you described him as a guy who might be a really productive number two as long as someone can take that heat off of them. I don't think this is the right landing spot for him. Him if he's going to get back to that get back to that level. We thought he might get to when he was a rookie. I agree. I don't think this changes the dynamic of Dallas passing game. Very much Cooper struggles against press coverage. I know he was drafted number four overall and he had a very good rookie season. And that's the angle you present when you wanna pile on Jon Gruden for trading. All these familiar raiders. But the reality is Cooper's not great against pressman these inconsistent receiver. He when he gets cleaned from you, and he gets some space around him. He's still very good. That's assuming he catches the ball Ville, there's some inconsistency on that part too. So yeah, I do think he's a really good number two receiver, which means there's not going to change. What Dallas has they just got a little bit better. But their overall approach will not look a whole lot different with Amari Cooper. Here's why I think maybe they're thinking on this trade comes down to this. Tell me what you think of this. We just talked about the eagles. Don't look the same. And the Redskins are four and two. And there I think over achieving the giants are done at one almost done selling. Everybody wanted six the NFC east is there to be had would you be willing? If let's say, you think Cooper is a second round talent, which I'm sure most teams would have said that's what he is. Would you be willing to pay the first round premium to get him? Now, given how glaring your weakness at wide receiver is and how open the path to an NFC east title node there. Maybe a playoff run how open that appears to be. I don't like it. And look I appreciate the fact that the Cowboys you're going for it. I think we're gonna see more and more tear down across the league over the next. Couple years is gonna be a new thing. And I think it's going to be terrible for the league. So I appreciate the fact that the Cowboys are going for it now and trying to win this division. And there's some be said for it's fun to win the NFC east. It's fun. If you're a Cowboys fan to see your team beat the giants and the Redskins and the and the. Eagles and you can get excited about that. This just it doesn't make them a Super Bowl contender. I mean, they might win this bad division. They might go nine and seven and win this bad division. But you know, in the end, they're they're probably be one and done in the playoffs. Maybe two and done. But you know, you can't imagine this team going in and beating New Orleans beating the Rams and getting to the Super Bowl. Not that asks to be the the the end all be all. And I think that puts them in a much worse position for the future. Because not only do you. Now, presumably give Amari Cooper big second contract. If you're gonna pay the first round pick for him. You obviously think that you're probably gonna pay him. Again. They have to pay Dak Prescott. They would deck Prescott is making six figures. Eight now, and they're going to have to pay him something like twenty million annually going forward. So. You know, I think it's too damaging for the future of again. I appreciate the fact they're going for it though. I just I think it's unreasonable to give up a one four Amari Cooper. I think a second round pick would be overpay. And I think ultimately the raiders would have jumped on a second rounder forum. Yeah. They probably would have I wonder how many guys have been traded for a first round pick when they have just one year left on their deal. I mean, that's that's unusual. See that because what you're describing. Yup. I mean, if Mario Cooper was on the open market. I think they're going to end up giving him the kind of contract. That they're going to end up having to give them to justify giving up that one. So it's like on top of that. Now, you're losing your first round pick. So yeah, I don't know. They're gonna have to scramble a lot of dead money comes off the cap for the Cowboys. So they do actually get to breathe a little bit more going forward. But this one this one's it's a tough pill to swallow. Let's talk about one more game. And the only reason we have it at the bottom of the rundown here is because they didn't have any trades these deemed but Packers Rams. I mean, this is going to be a headline game Packers get the Rams and the patriots and back to back weeks, which seems. I dunno unfair or absurd. But it feels like it also sort of sets them up for for an Aaron Rodgers elite season and run after they maybe Trump two games, and they have to make a big comeback. But what I wanna know about this game is ram's defence against Packers. Offense Rams have been a little bit banged up in the second area. Marcus peters. He's a little bit shakey a couple of weeks ago against Seattle. What are the odds of this being in Aaron Rodgers sort of playing out of structure playing out of his mind and just sort of going point for point with the Rams offense? I think the odds are good anytime. It's Aaron Rodgers that's his style of play. That's what he does. And we can discuss and debate that style of play. But there's no doubt. It's put up a lot of points in the lot of situations. And they put up points when they need to they can come back when they're trailing. So. I'm optimistic for that. I don't. Is Rogers good enough that he transcends the opponent. In other words, does it at the level where we can say it doesn't matter who is playing. Yeah. I mean, I guess this is the thing with the Rams, and I guess I'm just down on the Packers. I was bullish on the Packers defense company of the year. And I'm trying not to overreact to the last time. You saw them which was the Monday night game in San Francisco where you would have thought Beth dick Goodwin was was Montana to rice, again, they they're going to give up a lot of points to the Rams presumably they're going to give up thirty something. Maybe forty something points in this game. So can Aaron Rodgers play would amount to almost like a perfect game. And he'll have some guys that you know, he he'll probably have drawn Alison back Randall Cobb back. He'll have his his his weaponry back. But it Rogers. Anything less than sort of peak Aaron Rodgers ear. It's going to be tougher. Him to go punch for punch with the Rams offense. Well, what if Green Bay runs the ball? What if what if they say? We know we have. Yeah. Yeah. It's twenty eighteen. But if we run the ball, we give the Rams to less possessions, which is probably ten less points were pretty good at running back. We've got a deep rotation are number three guys shouldn't be wearing number eighty eight. But that's really the only problem we have in this in this backfield. The Rams are not a great run defense. Even though they've got Donald and sue and they've been playing better this year and they were last year against a run. But if you're going to face the Rams you want probably start with the run game. Well, I guess I'll answer your question with a question. And it's not even really answering your question. I'm almost just ignoring your question. This Packers defense. I mean, do they stand a chance here was it just a bad night a couple of weeks ago on Monday night, or is this a team? That's just gonna get torched here. I fear. They'll get torched. They do a lot of matchup coverages. They're not just a straight man to man defense. Oh, this is why hate watching their film because it takes forever because you've got to figure out who's playing to what help and what the reads, it's it's a hard blurry defense to deal with. But you know, what CHA McVay doesn't hate watching their film because Inder stands stuff a lot better than I do. And when you're talking about a leverage defense where it's about angles, and we're playing to help here and help there that is not the formula for stopping the Rams offense. That's exa-. The Rams will kill you with that. Because the Rams are better than anyone at using the geometry of the passing game to exploit individual defenders. So I would I- fearful to be honest from fearful for the Green Bay defense in this game the other bizarre every time you watch the Packers. It's a look it's kind of Kansas City Chiefs thing from over the years and the chiefs are not. Is good up front. Now's it used to be three two three years ago. But Mike Daniels is a great player, very strong, Kenny Daniels much Kenny Clarke, excuse me, is a much more talented version of Daniel. So to really good players. And I think dean Lowry's been good when he's been in there. Muhammed Wilkerson early in the year. Those are there guys up front and yet you never know what you're going to get from this run defense. And there are times rake, it's absolutely run over and that I cannot reconcile. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll we'll Wilkerson is out at this point. But yeah, he's on. I r Lowery's being good filling in for him though. That's and that's the thing that I guess that's what was even more concerning about that forty Niners game is it's one thing to just have your young Cornerbacks. Get beat by some some some talented receivers some fast receivers. But then they got they got steamrolled pretty good by that by that run game four hundred which is which is not that's not a world-beating offense right there. And I don't know Rams run the same running game scheme, and they're better at it. Got better players in the Niners. Same scheme better players say matchup for the Packers. Won't they had? They had the extra week to figure this one out and man. Yeah, they go to LA, and then they go to Foxborough. That's that's quite a stretch here for the Packers. I guess we'll we'll learn about a lot about this team. I feel like they'll drop these games, and it's going to be a panic. And then they're just going to go on their late season Brun fueled by Rogers and make the playoffs anyway. But you mentioned that extra week one thing to remember about by weeks to the players for one they have five days off in the collective bargaining agreement. It's gone. So they leave their not. So they're not sitting around watching this stuff. So it's about coaches and coaches don't spend that extra time on the by. They don't say, oh, we're going to double the time for our next opponent. We're gonna get super writing for the Rams and the patriots. They often do a lot of self scouting. And they correct their own heirs. And there's some value to that. I've had a lot of coaches tell me that's where our season turned around is when we did some self scouting. And it doesn't mean you win your first game after the bye. And you here we go. It just means you change your approach here and there and do the little details. So just something to keep in mind. That's what by week's about. If it's not as unfavorable to the team the opponent, like the Rams in this case, it's not as unfavorable to them as you would think other than just the opponents a little bit more rested but rust arrest we can have that debate. This just guesswork. Yeah. All right. Well, let's let's open the mini mailbag couple of questions here before we wrap up the show this first one, it's laissez. Well, it is a question. This is from column Brady on Twitter at quality smoke. He sent us this stat from Boston, sports info. And and it's it's mind blowing and there there's a simple explanation. But I wanna see we can be Dell a little bit deeper in this. So the stat is the patriots since two thousand one which is essentially the Tom Brady era. They are thirty eight and thirty seven in games in which they lose the turnover battle, which is mind blowing when you consider no one else has higher than thirty four percent win percentage. No other team. The colts are thirty four and sixty six when losing the turnover battle in that stretch patriots are by far. I mean, it's just such a huge gap between. Everyone else is as far as record when they lose the turnover battle. So I guess insurance. My thoughts on this were. I mean, Tom Brady. Yes. That's obviously, the I thought you have the two of the things I was basically when you lose the turnover battle essential. You have given up possession. The the the opponent has gained possession or two possessions on you. And that's why it is so important to to not do that to hold steady. The patriots fine so many sees elsewhere. Whether it's they're always way up there in field position numbers because they're so good on special teams when other thing is and it's so difficult to figure out red zone success year to year. The patriots are typically typically top ten in red zone offense. And they're typically top half of the league and usually top ten in red zone defense. And I think that's enough to be able to overcome occasionally losing a possession in a game. Yeah. I'm glad you had a long explanation for because I think one other than I'm sure the Tom Brady factors big deal. It's interesting because they are so good with the nuances of field position as you just laid out for us. And yet, I think everyone around the league a lot of people will tell you Bill Belichick doesn't care about yards given up on defense bend. But don't break patriots approach. You would think those two things would not go hand in hand. I would I would. He'd never answer it. Honestly, I would love for someone to ask. Bella check. Why he thinks they've been better than everyone else with the turnover battle thing. I don't I don't think he'd answer that to you know, maybe after he retires. He will he will answer it. I mean, it's a philosophical football there. There are ways you could ask Bella check. That would get him to answer it indirectly, which he plays ball on that kind of thing. But you'd have to be very crafty in the way, you're and you're not gonna you're not being widely bayton him into something. But you'd have to be you'd have to ask the right kind of general football question. Like, if I were asked coach Bela check, what what goes in to tell me about the turnover battle, all the miscellaneous factors that impact turnovers, and how you control those factors. I mean, something like that or field position battle. What are the most overlooked factors in the field position over the course of a game? And let them go from there you'd have to go to the back door route with them he'd he'd go to the field position thing because it means you can talk about special teams, which is all he likes to talk about. But I feel like a really challenging the patriots beat writers here. It's amazing. Here's jar. Then their jobs harder often because they're all the time. They have to ask them these questions at the podium in front of everybody when we drop into town. Sometimes get these coaches one on one and you get a whole different kind of conversation. So yeah. To get if somebody could get Bella check to talk about this at a press conference that person would deserve Pulitzer. Indeed. Yeah. I really I've been obsessing over red zone numbers two, and I'm trying to find some sort of pattern. Like patriot. The last five years patriots have ranked including this year, six fifth fourth seventh and then in two thousand fifteen they were tied for twenty nine offense efficiency in the red zone and the saints ten they were dead last in two thousand fourteen there's just no. It's so hard to find a rhyme or reason behind that or anything that would give you any sort of predictive. Sort of a. Ability as far as red zone performance goes. I would like 'cause I've thought a lot about red zone before. And I've kind of dismiss it's obviously important. It's a whole different type of game down there because there's no deep field to defense, and you get a different type of football. But what you just said red zone performance to me has not always correlated with bottom line performance. The patriots are pretty good in two thousand fifteen that year. They were not good in the red zone. They went to the championship game and probably were one. They were one play from being in the Super Bowl or having a shot at it. So if someone could Email me at Andy note NFL g mail dot com and tell me if red zone matters or doesn't matter bottomline success with some data because I haven't looked at it in a few years, but I would be fascinated. Having an intelligent examination of that. I don't know also the reds on the other thing is such a small Snapple size. Sometimes you're only going to the red zone. A few times every game. I think you, and I are deep diving the deep diving on this show. I mean, I think we're gonna do a big project on the red zone this off season. I think I just signed us up for it. Well that is. Elise. People Email me 'cause I've got about four or five guys that I would just hand that project off to now, and I probably need three or four more. All right, one more guy excel sheets and data. I'm not I just wanna put on the film and watch. I don't like to sort the data one more question here. Andy before we move on. Well, before we end the show this from Nick, am I right in recalling amoeba front. Started appearing the NFL back in twenty eleven to twenty twelve with people like rob Ryan, what do you often does you to counter them? And why is into isn't it becoming a more prevalent tactic? I'm gonna date myself a little bit because I think the this is back in nineteen ninety nine when the Browns came back as an expansion as an expansion team. I remember them doing Chris Chris Palmer was head coach blobs, excuse me blob. Bob slowec was the defensive coordinator. And they called it. The UFO defense. Okay. Yeah. That's that's that's my contribution to the sandy. But I guess I'll I'll specifically ask you what our offense is doing to counter the the amoeba looks up front. It's by the way, Ryan slowec. Bob, son. I've had some really some of my best amoeba. Blitz. Conversations have actually been with him. And he's worked for Todd Bowles before and bulls is very good with interior blitz design. So all comes full circle. Basically what you get most times against fronts and the the only consistent response you could have as an offense is some kind of zone protection because you can't do man protection. Because guys defenders the NBA fronts are moving all over the place. You don't know where they're going to be. So it's got to be a zone concept. Your quarterback has to be understanding of the of the zone protection rules, and what quarterbacks often when when they failed reason as often that they don't understand. How the weakside can become the attack site. So, hey, they got all these guys over to one side the strong side. We're gonna slide there. They they often lose sight of the possibility of how the week site can be the one that all the sudden gets flooded with defenders. That's what the best defense is jets. The ravens dude everybody. All right. That's gonna be rap for this show. We'll be back with the the Monday show. We'll probably well gency probably. 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Packers Stunner, Mina Kimes on Baker Mayfield
"Round with the N._F._l.. PODCAST wishes it's middle name was welcome to another edition of the around the N._F._l.. podcast presented by Sirius X._M.. My name is Dan has and I'm joined a room filled with some heroes Mark Chesler and Chris wesseling what is up boys hate. 'em Back in the studio and it feels good. It does feel good. I real good. I learned <hes> you know about an soon. After lascaux was put up on air that my mic or my voice in general was barely audible to the first line. I felt like a little over over. There was some sort of a plot going on where my voice is trying to. Someone's trying to squelch my opinions is it. Is it fair to wonder if West just you and I on this one. Is it fair to wonder if there was some score-settling involved here yeah. I think that's always fair. Marquez had issues with our producers over the years. I I also notice it's the only show that Greg was here with me since I've returned from along sojourn and suddenly I'm off to the side and they white share with a green fuzzy pillow in my mic is barely working I did when I came into the studio got early and Greg early there which is weird and he sees me in the corner fiddling with some wire with something I don't blame the producer got in CDs. I thought that that's what Marcus putting out there and that now putting it all together. Are you know some context clues in the motherboard. Who knows what was happening? I don't like an even greg in the motherboard sounds like it's first album Dan early. Show just as you know got here new sneakers checking the Yankees Sake. What about the another check it out all right? This is the Wednesday edition of the around the N._F._l.. podcast much to get to today now. Training camps are really <hes> ramping up. Almost everyone is either reporting <hes> already or you know Thursday Friday and and we're in full swing and you see it in the news news because after weeks and weeks of <hes> you know it's called what it is much B._S._n.. Between the heroes in the studio you know looking for stuff to talk about <hes> you know delving into topics that maybe don't seem to be delved into two and sometimes that makes fun podcasting but now we have a lot of actual news to get to us and that's a bit of early. If I gotta say you think a little bit a little bit so much news that we might even return of for the first time and sometime eight o'clock block the light wow one of our favorite tunes that could've used another few weeks of no news now that it's here. This influx is unwelcome on some level. I was trying to keep a good attitude about it. <hes> also on today's show meantime kinds. We've teased it for a few few days now. She wrote about Baker Mayfield for E._S._P._N.. A great peace and we thought it'd be fun to get her on the show and talk about it and got to know me a little bit more who we've <hes> we've all been fans of love for a long time so it will join us as well a little bit but before that now time for what we're hearing presented by Sirius X._M.. Let's do some news back her the service a man good deal came in Cali for twenty lockdown. Take you got eight math doc boy jalen Ramsey. That was the sound of the end of the big arrival era in the N._F._l.. For Training Camp Jalen Ramsey killed it's over now because he showed up in an armored truck with a hype man and a megaphone and as as you could hear from the crowd of seven smattering of like maybe six to seven people when the because he as the height man's in front of the truck yelling into the megaphone about how great Jalen Ramsey is first of all you got imagine Jalen Ramsey in the truck who has to be thinking because he's he pulled up. Nobody was there. He has to be thinking himself away. The second this this may not be a good idea then when the lock triggers the open up the tube heavy steel our doors. That's is louder than any of the cheers which really tells you a lot about again. The turnout for this and the whole thing was just a little bit ponders well if you're a talented young cornerback with swag in the N._F._l.. The first thing they give you when you get in the League your agent and in your family and friends they give you the dion sanders handbook and it's up to you not to be a cheap knock off of Dion Sanders. It's up to you to embrace the character in my problem with this it was in artistic and he did not embrace the role he the only gave it over now half of the character there I also you know you are a team where every other club and your Division One nine ten or eleven games you went. Five and eleven is one of the biggest appointments disappointments in the entire N._F._l.. Fell and so this is the year where you need to Kinda get back together. Get those core leaders operating in unison and you roll up saying look at me. I want to open a truck. You need to give me more money while like eight bosses and like four fans or standing. There just feels like a little bit picture. Tom offline and I don't know if he knows twitter exists but if this video does get into one of his old nineteen ninety-seven t._v.'s that he has an an his study. It's going to get the he's he's probably not gonNA be thrilled with anyway so jalen Ramsey now cautionary tale for for you know how to ruin things that would be like you rolling into the news from at five fifteen in the morning and turning on the speakers and shut him about how much of a raise you need with six people sitting there for them. Four months removed from U._S._C. that everyone that makes about a tenth of the amount amount of money. Is You a hundred the amount of money everything you just described except for the raise part I've seen Warren Sapp do that and the newsroom the eight and the newsroom no mo all right. Let's get to start with some surprising news at a Green Bay. The packers made a cut that people did not see coming coming N._F._l.. Networks Might Garafolo reported Wednesday. The packers are releasing defensive linemen and Mike Daniels to two thousand seventeen pro bowler who's do eight million twenty nineteen in base salary clears is that money and then some on their cap thirty years old the spent all seven years of his career with Green Bay as I said a pro bowl guys recently is two thousand seventeen as an injury issues last year however was the packers make make the decision to move on how about that this comes at a time when they also extending lowery who started last year as a rotational guy behind Muhammed Wilkerson <hes> but he's in the prime of his career in Mike Daniels is just now exiting the prime of his career. I thought that time was peculiar. If you knew this I mean what's changed between your spring practices and now this couldn't have been done six weeks ago or two months ago and Joe Banner Former Eagles Eagles and browns president had some pretty strong language on twitter he said let's be perfectly clear. The releasing a veteran players on the eve of training camp is wrong in indefensible unless there are circumstances we are unaware of and have been clearly explained to the player for an agent. It's just wrong. I it's hard not to feel for anyone that gets chopped right here and suddenly asked to pick up the pieces somewhere else and Mike Garafolo because now we have every reporter reporting all day long from Sunup till sundown said the the packers had tried to make to complete a trade for Mike Daniels and just couldn't make it happen. I don't know what they were asking. Because this is someone that I could imagine someone giving something for no problem and then Stacey Dales later in the morning reported that basically soclean matlock floor and the front office came to a point where they feel happy and comfortable with the guys used just mentioned and someone also likes Daria smooth who they can move inside and out and be flexible with but if you're Mike Daniels. Why could this not have happened two months ago <hes> we're you've got time to pick up the pieces and move and he'll catch assuming he is healthy? This is a good player that has years left and perhaps some extra motivation now after what's happened here but you wonder if this speech as simple as the bottom line situation we saw that report a couple of weeks ago but the packers reporting record expenses there are flat year to year in terms of revenue or excuse me they were down year to year in terms of revenue almost had none. This is a different organization. That's run run differently are they. They just tightening up. The springs strings after spending a lot of money back in March. I don't know that's a good question other news in the N._F._l.. Teller Lou on the all pro left tackle one of the key pieces of the Tennessee titans as they hope to get back to the playoffs in two thousand nine hundred he'll miss the start of the regular season a four-game suspension after failing a drug test for a band sussed substance. Luanne says he didn't knowingly take the prohibited supplement and he did the new move which you're seeing pop up now as these players get out in front of these announcements with a video on social media expressing either ignorance to how could would have happened or apologies to the fan base and all of that so Luanne says you know he had no idea he's not a cheater <hes> but he has failed the test and he will miss four games and that hurts. It's a lot marks destler twenty eight year old smack in the prime of his career and a lot of people think Tennessee is going to be better the share well. It's going to be tough start without their best player well. I don't think this story is over. He failed the test but he passed a lie. Hi Detector test saying that he did not know that this was part of the mix of whatever that though well here's the thing if you go look at the video I mean I don't watch I thought that he made a compelling emotional case in my just who knows what he did but from a human behavior angle. I don't think you go this distance. If you know inside that you aren't this didn't happen to you versus you choosing this to happen. This guy is not a head Casey. Someone that is super plugged into the team. He was emotional about where he left the team team by getting the suspension so I came away kind of thinking I believe. I don't know if this needs to be a case by case thing to with the N._F._l.. Where you know you can't just he's going to appeal? It and I hope he's heard well to your point. Ian Rapaport reported today on training in training camp alive that this is not yet been made official and there's no statement coming from the N._F._l.. Just yet they're still in the process of going through the different samples making sure the first sample matches the second sample so it's not a done deal <hes> but it seems like it could certainly end that way. Luanne sees a coming so he's he's fighting it. He opened their best offensive player. You know the skill position players are not their best offensive players in Tennessee and the right tackle jet conquest coming off a bad year in which he had knee issues. They do have a pretty decent backup and Dennis Kelly so I don't think this means you know watch out. They're never going to be able to score points in the first four games but your biggest issue if you're the titans is quarterback durability and it has been and this is the wrong guy to not go into the season with <hes> holdout talk always fun <hes> Zeke Elliott's the biggest name and I believe the cowboys report on Friday so we'll find out if he indeed a plans to hold out Melvin Gordon of the charters did not show up to training encamp on Wednesday so his holdout is official and Ian rapoport reported that the holdout could be lengthy as the chargers will halt contract talks with Gordon not showing up that is not a great situation also in Jacksonville Jaguars Jaguars Yanic and Gakugei Hill hold out of training camp report reported Wednesday that the pass rusher will not report to training camp with teammates <hes> he skipped mandatory minicamp in June after contract desires were not met so oh these are two important pieces of the puzzle right now not involved with the team quick fantasy note on the chargers backfield Mike Silver of N._F._l.. Network spoke to Anthony Lynn the head coach who said that two thousand eighteen seventh round pick Justin Jackson. We'll get a lot of reps in camp and they have big plans for him. If Melvin Gordon doesn't come I mean they're going to have to I mean it's it sounds the the the front office does not sound like they're gonNa cave here and that one is going to go on within the Gakugei the way they offered him a deal of short term nineteen million dollar deal with over the first two years with fifty million plus but nineteen million per year which would have made in the fourth highest paid player does position but I that tells me that he he he is a better chance to get paid here sooner than later because they're already offering something it just maybe isn't the terms once again back to Joe Banner I so he was pumping up in Gawk way as a guy who should get dexter lawrence money because he's cleaner from a character character and health point of view than Dexter Lawrence. I would just add he might be the pass rusher that Dexter Lawrence's but not the same all around player definitely not as good against the run <hes>. Let's move to Cincinnati. The bengals are handing out some money wide receiver Tyler Boyd agreed to. Terms on a four year contract extension worth forty three million. Tom Pella Cerro reported Tuesday. The team leader announced the signing the former second round pick <hes> was slated to enter the final year of his rookie contract where he'd make about a million bucks now make eleven three in year one of this new deal <hes> twenty four years old seventy six for one thousand twenty eight yards and seven touchdowns last year and west the Bengals A._J.. Green <hes> who's been injured injured and not quite himself in recent seasons <hes> we'll see how many years he has left but boyd the Bengals have identified as a part of their future well. He earned this deal by being one of the best number two receivers in the league last year and if A._J.. Green is healthy which he hasn't been awhile for Sixteen Games. This has a chance to be one of the better one two punches at wide receiver in the League. Mike Brown the owner said that A._J.. Green is one of the great ones in great ones tend to age better than average player so reading between the lines. This does not mean that they just because they extended boyd. They're looking at the end of the road with A._J.. Green they're going to have to deal with A._J.. Green soon he's entering in the final year contract but the bengals are not a team that goes out they have to pay their own because they don't go out and signed free agents right. We talked about their offensive. Line is a major question mark but you could squint and you know I'm a big fan of the tight end tyler effort if you could stay healthy you squint and see this team with an ability to score points and I think that it goes back and of course Taylor now in the mix as well Joe Mixon A._J.. Green Tyler Boyd Tyler I for it if he'd say healthy <hes> these guys can potentially put up some points but if you don't have anybody to block well I feel like we've the personnel hasn't changed much on offense in the skill position players. You know they've had mixing for a couple of years. They've had boys for three years. They've had green the whole time. They've had effort of kind of right but you you don't know if he's going to be good for six Sir Sixteen Games this year either but offensive lines can kill an offense if they just can in other bengals news team President Mike Brown spin the face of that front office for years and years and years he concedes an interview <hes> This Week that they lose fans are quote edgy <hes> disappointed and he had this to say. We have to excite our fan base. We haven't made a playoff appearance for three years and in this business that's forever. We have lost some of our hold on our fan base. We have to win that back. I mean count as progress west. That Brown is coming out and saying such things. I feel like he's just ignored. This isn't even issue for decades. It's not progress. I heard similar quotes twenty five five years ago I also say T- TO STATE. We haven't made the playoffs in the past three years as the core issue in Cincinnati I mean that's not where the troubles and the identity of a team that does not really WANNA stand out because a starting point though it's well you know what let coming from him and I mean this is territory but I have heard enough in my binder my infamous binder there are highlighted an annotated quotes to Mike Brown that are almost word for word what he say now that we've lost a hold on our fan base right just came out from one thousand nine hundred six from nineteen ninety eight from two thousand one from two thousand three. It's you know it's broken record. They are who they are and they're not this time where they make that statement and they'll go right back to being the Bengals we know let's swing back to big gigged. Yes we don't know what what the future holes with Ezekiel Elliott but very good news for one of the men that would hypothetically block and well block for Zeke Elliot once week one comes around traffic's Frederick to be active for the start of cowboys. His camp rap sheet had this hill avoid the N._F._l.. List and be ready to go Frederick of course miss the entire twenty eighteen season after being diagnosed with Gillian Bar Syndrome an autoimmune disease that affects the nervous system which is scary. That's scary business US nervous system. I think this is one of the most underrated story lines of the N._F._l.. Off Season and a huge development in the N._F._C. East in the N._F._c. wide because I mean I we don't we hear the name of the syndrome and the more you read about it. You're like wait a minute. This person is coming back from where they were a year ago to not the people come back to work and sit in a desk and they can type again but these coming back to play N._F._l.. Center at a high level it's that's not happening everyday arguably the best center in the N._F._l.. Prior to this diagnosis last year and I don't see any reason why this is not a twelve one team I just their roster is some withdrawal still just twenty eight years old so Frederick Eric if he comes back and he is the guy that he was that is a major piece <hes> for Dallas returning to the fold and other cowboys news not returning to the full Alan hearns wide receiver <hes> he was released by the team. I'm on Tuesday. <hes> the moves confirmed on Wednesday hearns had one season with the cowboys ending in gruesome fashion with a awful after a broken ankle suffered against the seahawks in the playoffs <hes> AH in rappaport reported that earns his ankles ready to go but after several months of Rehab which kept turns out of Otas and minicamp excuse me he did he did participate in Otas and minicamp <hes> but the cowboys laser deciding to go in a different direction will they have Amari Cooper Michael Gal Randall Cobb locked in as the top three. They've got save on Austin as their Swiss army knife and the four role where the snap where were the snaps GonNa come from Sir Alan hearns and we talk about getting released at this time. It's never fun for the player who has scrambled to catch on <hes> with teams that kind of have their rosters in order or have a understanding of what the roster is going to be or a plan her and said <hes>. I'm just wish they did this earlier. They asked me for pay cut Monday couple of days before the camp which is certainly fair certainly fair that he's a little miffed is like you're saying certainly fair that if you're GONNA ask the guy to take a haircut go get the haircut little industry parlance right I mean is it still. I think that's been around for like fifty eight in around but it's something that we're still employing. Isn't it great though I like it. It's great we should we have a nice platform here at the around the N._F._l.. podcast I guess we should be doing everything on our power to make sure that attitude towards it embrace it from here on some of US never had a hair to cut once upon a time he did. I met more metaphorically hours. What Allen hearns is say in other news? Andy read says that he is quote comfortable having wide receiver tyreek Hill back with the team following Friday's news that he'll will not be suspended the N._F._l.. Announced last Friday as we talked about a Monday show that it could not conclude that hill had violated the League personal conduct policy and therefore will not be suspended <hes>. Here's what Reid had to say <hes>. Let's talk about tyreek. I know that's a that's a hot topic so I ah the the law enforcement side of it <hes> there've been statements made on that <hes> there's been statements made by the chief service statements made by <hes> tyreek and <hes> and with all those we <music> obviously we were comfortable Tehreek coming back here and and and by the National Football League statements by the National Football League so we're comfortable tyree coming back here look forward to bring them back here and have an opportunity to get back doing what what he loves to do. <hes> he has obligations and he'll he'll take care of <hes> <hes> as egos and I'm not going to get into all that I'm kinda ended after after this year but <hes> we've all been particularly you folks here. You've all read all the statements and as we have and <hes> we have the trust and tyreek and we're GonNa go four and a positive way you get the idea mark you talked about it on Monday. You know the chiefs had also an opportunity here to step up and if they decided that hill because of his actions and specifically what we know for sure which is the threat that that we heard in that <hes> recorded conversation between hill and his fiancee that they could step into say while you're not gonNA play with us but the chiefs have chosen to different route which is more in line with the N._F._l.. Decided yeah I mean this is seems like one of those scenarios where read in the P._R.. Man Get together very close to say. Here's exactly what you're going to open your news press conference with. Let's not have a lot of follow ups about this. Guy Was in the corner of the press. Coverage is staring in Andy Reid or exactly exactly it doesn't change anything that we discussed on our last show moving on the town of friendly. Only people Pearl River. We've back in Houston. Texans General Manager Brian Gain landed a new job with a former team. The bills hired gain as senior personnel advisor to assist with both pro and college scouting being the team announced Tuesday. The Texans in a surprise move fired gain is their G._M.. After just one season in June tough news wpro river we were proud to see one of our own grew up on quake lane WPRO river about a stone's throw from the Hands House and we keep playing that I just like it. It's very nice it feel like I'm back then P._R.. And it's the fourth of July and the fireworks and the cemetery one thing that I've always thought my whole life even when I grew up <hes> you know not too far from Pearl River far enough that you can knock someone from Pearl River down but you know they're going to get back out of climate out of that mineshaft. Do you know my mom over and over my mom I love deb the greatest woman while the my mom she and my she is actively actively miffed. That could keep Erica's mom to that. What what are we talking about? MOMS this. This thing mayor. Mom is the greatest mom yeah that's fine but there are other people. She's a wonderful. My mom is the greatest now I'm not saying that you need to believe you said it definitively as something that we all believe to you know what I'm GonNa put that on the phone you and you can share our and a half conversation with the Super Bowl. I'm we're tight but I I think she'd understand. We're on coming from the point. I'm trying to make is that my mom who grew up a while. She was born in Queens New York City and then as a young girl move to Pearl River and she she loves the town where she grew up she has issues with how I sometimes portrait portray Pearl River which vacuous because I believe it's I portrayed and a flattering light but opinions vary. Apparently it's definitely portrayed in a pro Brian game back on his feet finally in the news before we get to eight o'clock delight. Yes a well known player is hanging up the cleats. After ten seasons says takes the step back jets. There's a high point of my jets fandom sad is that may seem it was a divisional around playoff game against knowing patriots in January two thousand eleven <music>. Mark Sanchez throws a beautiful ball sin. Tonio homes gets his toes down in the corner of the end zone. The jets upset the Patriots Twenty eight to twenty one in Foxborough that is the famous can't wait Bart Scott game they then they could wait actually because then they got beat by the steelers next week but Mark Sanchez is finished. He's retiring from ten after ten years in the N._F._l.. He's taken a college football job at A._B._C. E._S._p._N.. And I don't think that this is a career that deserves serves as long winding obituary or anything like that but I I will just say that for a guy that will be remembered and perhaps fairly so I get it for the but fumble there is a large segment of football fans in the New York New Jersey area that have fond memories of Sanchez and what he was able to do and while the jets defense and those early Rex Ryan years carried that team go back if you care to and watch highlights from those four playoff wins all on the road from Sanchez and he made some big money throws as twenty two twenty three year old kid who actually was a bit of a limited player as it turned out the jets drafted him to be a star he was never close to that but he had Moxie at charisma he didn't quite have the game to become a true franchise passer but he had some really special moments and for jets fans who haven't had had a lot of special moments since Joe Namath he will always be remembered. Fondly I get the but bumble. It's part of his is legacy but he was more than that. It's real it's real different. If you are a fan of a team that has to look back that far to your last playoff appearances at all and it's so he came very close to being Eric Genie's quarterback in Cleveland they traded with the jets traded up right and the browns wound up getting Alex Mack and number twenty one and I'll say one thing about like when you seem what happened with Tony Romo and around this time was when Tony Romo was criticized so rallying his career for one or two mistakes he made and and it kind of the book was out on him and I think that helped him as a broadcaster along with his incredible smart. We've already seen some stuff from Sanchez. He's very good on air and I kind of loved what he's going to do with its next career because this is when the quarterback gets revenge when they go have a nice twenty. Eight thirty year long career where they're still in the limelight and we learned to love him. I don't think about the fumbling. I don't really even think much about the playoffs for me when I think of Mark Sanchez it's the first few N._F._l.. Starts when he looked like a throwback it to the fifties and sixties with his ball handling sleight of hand <hes> and it looked like we were seeing a guy who is going to be the jets quarterback for the next decade and I just never thought he got better after his first few starts he yeah and he after that second season actually after the Bart Scott Patriots game. They fell behind twenty four three in the A._F._C. title game against the steelers almost came all the way back they lost twenty four nineteen and there was a live jets infamy me a third in three rothlisberger roles to his right and hits a young guy name Antonio Brown for the first down that let steelers run out the clock to clinch the A._F._C. title every jets fan that knows the game and was following what was going the second half just wanted to see mark Sanchez the ball one more time because he was playing incredibly well in the second half and it's a great what if in his career in jets history if they could have gotten that last stop but they didn't and that is it good luck Mark Sanchez and whatever comes next <hes> let us now hit eight o'clock the light Dr Right today cloudy loan signed Franchise Tag Player expected to report before week. One Mark Arc surprised well. I I would have been a couple of days ago but Tom Pella Sarah talked to someone who said they'd be shocked if he missed any regular season games also from Tom Pellicer oh he reports quote. No new deal is on the horizon at this point for Tom. Tom Brady the Patriots quarterback going on forty two years old another chip on the shoulder the old man West will you never know that lack of a contract is coming from Brady or from the Patriots but Mike Giardi from N._F._l.. Network says there is some frustration mhm from Brady's camp. This hasn't been taken care of you. <hes> interesting drama Ricky Cooper Cup the Rams Wide Receiver Tours A._C._l.. <hes> last November will avoid the act of public to open training Camp Great News Marxist for team that missed Cooper Cup down the stretch last year a team that has questions about Todd Gurley for a team. That's wondering how Jared Goff will rebound from an ugly ugly Super Bowl. This is a nice bit of news. Here's the bad news view potentially mark set devolve watch. The Patriots have signed tight end. Land's Kendricks isn't that the roster spot the default would hypothetically have at the stage as I tweeted I think this is the move behind the move behind the move ooh or like that <hes> <hes> Bobby Wagner reports to the seahawks Duke Johnson also reports to the browns West so some people are reporting decide being unhappy. Yes good that Bobby Wagner is there. This seems like Earl. Thomas is <hes> the way he handed it last year that he might not give one hundred percent and practices but he's still going to be tomorrow. I'm annoyed this on this Duke. John's thing I'm not saying is the greatest running back on the planet but that the supposed to give away for a bag of spoons because he's disgruntled. Don't do it mark I no. You're furious about this. The redskins partways linebacker Mason foster vet this is your platform. I'm still coming to grips with this. <hes> I'm working on a ridden piece a personal diary piece that I just need dump out some emotions a lot of conflict colleague what I do Sanchez. I just thought your Mason foster monologue hit hard averaging forces inside of me over this topic not ready to discuss hey west. This is not laughing matter but Adrian Peterson is reportedly in financial ruin <hes> guy that's made more than double of any running back N._F._l.. History one hundred million and he's got people coming after over loans. It's like trying to keep watering your hands yeah. You just wonder like who's who who just like water. That's I'll leave it there. Andy Reid exotic off season activity. He had some Mexican food mark. One okay need more information. He was asked if he uh did anything fun or exotic exotic this off season and he said that he had Taco bell. No he had Chili Rellenos. Oh there's a stray Ainhoa stretching boundaries of the human experience whenever you can. That's my next project chilly rains. That's what's happening in the news downright as promised Sd our next guest you know she his senior writer over at E._S._p._N.. She's involved in roughly four hundred E._S._p._N.. Programs and n beyond the Queen of Bristol Meena kinds welcome to the around the N._F._l.. podcast past the Queen of everywhere but Bristol or that's what I've managed so far. It's so good to have you on the show we are big fans of yours and we have been doing like a a dance for like a year so like we gotta gotTa get me in on the show and finally here we are yes same city yet not together. No isn't aware and one quick note. I mean Greg. He had been very excited about being a part of this but confided to Dan and I had this morning that he was a little too nervous to appear so we're just gonNA I went to three of US F Y and the reason we have mean on a lot of reasons but the idea came from her latest profile for E._S._p._N.. On Baker Mayfield Headline Baker Mayfield isn't afraid of the hype and it's a great peace and mean as you. I'm sure no marks destler is a huge Cleveland browns fan so this just felt like the perfect opportunity to have you on the show and talk about it for a few minutes and let me start here well. Let's get into it this way so hugh Jackson Not Baker Mayfield's favorite guy called Baker. The Pied Piper that is charisma quote has a way of drawing people to him. What you wrote in the peace? A lot of people found deeply weird. Did you find that when you spent extended time with the Cleveland browns starting quarterback I wanna add a quick note on that Piper analogy while I was right in the piece actually looked up the Pied Piper Story. I don't know guys no but it's very dark. Oh Yeah in retrospect may have been accurate piper ends up leading the rats out of the town they don't pay him so he kills all the kids or leads them away from the town as well and may have foreshadowed some of the tension between Baker and Hugh Jackson because he did lead the team away from Hugh and in some ways. Why is it that in the old days the fairytales were read to children? Children slaughtered all the time in those fairy tales. I guess there's a way to keep them in line pretty heavy the fourteen or fifteen years old and some of those old time so they were tougher an earlier age well. How else do you commemorate a tragedy? That's that's true to you. Remember the victims anyway so Baker Mayfield. What was your sense on the guy spending spreading? How much time did you spend with them for this? You know so I met him in Cleveland for that I interview and we spent about an hour and a half or so in the browns facility and that was enough to come away believing not about the killing the kids apart but but <hes> charisma aspect of the Piper analogy really holds I mean the guy is it's funny to me guys that he says I'm not politically correct or amount of politician because he could run for president rightly. He's so freaking charismatic and you hear stories about no you didn't college. He's the guy who walk into a locker room and regardless of your age or your background. I think he can immediately connect with every single person. Is there anyone else I mean in terms of the charisma that he exudes. You've been around a lot of different football players and other athletes and different sports. Does he remind you like right off the bat of someone else I remember people he's still like when they walk into a room with Bill Clinton. Not everyone but some people felt like you could just feel as energy coming at you and it was very unique situation. It sounds like Baker. Kerr has a little bit of that going on. Is anyone else you kind of that comes to mind yeah in the N._F._l.. Definitely none of the guys that I've profile it's funny. I actually wrote a story about his backup in Cleveland tyrod Taylor who could not be more different from him as a wonderful neighbors in Baker himself talked about how he was in some ways how that made him not we said didn't WanNa come in being asked was his his words with respect to tyrod but I did a story on Aaron Rodgers a couple summers ago very different Jalen Ramsey last summer. I actually thought that story Jalen Ramsey is in the news today for the brinks truck. A stunt thought the I thought though the Ramsey story was actually kind of interesting interesting lens to think about Baker her because while they're they're very different in the different positions and I think their personalities mean different things for those positions Jalen talked a lot of trash and was very much himself and I think he kinda caught the bad side of that last season which is if you talk trashing your yourself and your team doesn't back it up. It hurts and I think that's the risk for bakers well well. That's a great call and also the with I think what Baker what makes him different and he does feel different when you look at the way the League is with especially at the quarterback position and even in the pioneer peasy right about how the even the idea of quote franchise quarterback. It's like a politician type term. He is outspoken. He's he he can have rabbit ears on social media and Sports Media Hill stir things up. He'll say things and you think back in the N._F._l.. And especially the modern N._F._l.. A lot of quarterbacks don't do that so in some ways you can look at Baker as a bit of social experiment right for a guy that is going to be outspoken. Say What's on is my also be the leader of a team at quarterback position. That's typically reserved for the STOIC man. That's the face of the team never says anything interesting. I think that's what you're absolutely right. What's unusual about him is that he's a quarterback right because as if he was a defensive end we wouldn't really honestly he doesn't even talk about much trash and but the fact that he sort of says what he thinks about everything and plays that position is unusual? I talked to Drew Stanton for the story and the interview didn't make it into the peace but you know you're there. Here's a guy who's been in the League for twelve seasons. At this point been around a lot on number one picks he was around Andrew Luck and he had a lot of thoughts interesting dots on the way that they've managed Baker in Cleveland from football perspective compared to other quarterbacks. He's been around but from a personality perspective. He told me bakers not like any other quarterback I've been around and he did say he thought some of it was generational. You know Baker is very much a millennial. He is online like us. He is reading stuff. He is not afraid to express his opinions and I think there might be a bit of a sea change from here on out well. I think we've we've seen quarterbacks like this to me. He's got shades of former bears quarterback Jim McMahon. He's got some Brett Farve. Those like Jim. McMahon was unreliable. He it was injured constantly. He was in trouble allot to the point where it affected whether he was gonNA play or not and far was the opposite he was. He was Iraq he played every week. You couldn't get him out of the lineup so to me that's kind of interesting that he has kind of both of those guys in him and we'll see which one wins help but I think Seymour farther than him in floor though that's the perfect comparison Brett Farr and Lincoln Riley brought that up to me because he said Baker's the only quarterback I've been around who plays better emotional and we were kind of like I'm trying to think of other quarterbacks and he came up with far and you guys might remember <hes> Scott McClellan who was consulting for the browns when they took Baker was also Brett Farve guy and I think he saw shades of him in his former Q._B.. I don't think that they draft Baker Mayfield if not Scott McClellan agreed. I'm convinced to this day I this was in the piece. I assume it's inbounds but I found it very interesting. The nuggets that you dug up on his he got married this summer and I follow Emily Wilkinson concern on on instagram because because I want to track what my quarterback number one but he is social media savvy but at the same time I found the Indus Nugget that to get her attention because she was just like who is this sort of thug quarterback guy he followed her and unfold her and followed her and unfolded her on Instagram to get on a radar. I mean that's I've not sure that's something Baker. Mayfield would want me to no but I find it an interesting way to go for a future N._F._l.. Quarter you're to reboot <HES> reimagined fear the mark Wahlberg reese witherspoon classical to put that would be one of his early moves like early on in the films but I guess if you get the girl than it doesn't come off to Portland. I guess you know when I heard that I was confused because Baker so accurate right hallmark kept shooting shot. I look at works right. So who are we to question it absolutely and and we also you know the browns the history it's almost two perfect and mark. I know it's mark is the Browns Fan. You're almost on guard because it everything seems to be falling to play so beautifully for Cleveland that you're waiting for the other shoe to drop but it hits. He's the perfect guy to land in Cleveland and I thought another part of your profile again every check it out on E._S._p._N.. Dot Com is is when you ask them about all the hype people that there are people out there that are smart football people that think the Cleveland browns and go to the Super Bowl this year that they're going to win the division like that's a real thing that's out there I do and you ask him if feels weird have so much hype and he says for them. Not For me for everyone else around here. It's been pretty terrible to be part of the team for a while and that's so true and mark you could speak to more than anyone yeah a lot of hype around the Browns it could backfire and that's we've seen it happened two thousand teams before but you know what it's a lot better then being made fun of constantly for being one in thirty one or whatever it is or twelve and ninety eight or whatever the run was before that like this is better it is better. I think the off season is just so long that there is already exhaustion with a team that just simply one seven games last year. We're not talking about patriots. Exhaustion except people seem some people seem justice tired of the browns but I wonder about being there. Do you feel like the quarterback in the team or able to kind of get beyond all that and just stay focused. I do the way the dismissive tone about the browns wing division. I certainly think they're going to win. The division super bowls slow your role. It is a competitive competitive division. I do agree. You Probably GonNa get to playoff teams out of here but I do think Baker is capable of doing it. You know there's this question that I posed in the peace of well what's going to happen if he encounters adversity in the beginning schedule. There's some challenges there but he's sink honored adversity before I think the fact that last season <hes> after winning that initial game they had so many losses and it was obviously a circus like environment in Cleveland. We know we now know more about the fact that he kept his head down and was able to see her through it. I think is important instructive now. They've got a lot of mouths to feed their on that offense now and he's got a navigate that but he navigated as well in college too and guys I like I'm very high on him. Not having a sophomore slump I suppose just because of the ways in which improved over the season last year I have concerns about this offensive line. It's probably the biggest concern I have about the team but the fact that he was able to his decision making you saw I think him I and Freddie Kitchen's kind of come together. As a season went on I think I think that they'll be fine. This year and people underestimate how much a player like Odell can open up an offense. I don't see any way how they're not going to be much better and I really did put a star by <hes> that the sentence we've been talking about where he talks about. You know for them not for me for everyone else around here. It's been pretty terrible to be a part of this lean because the contrast with the other team in Ohio which is still haunted which went through the nineties nineties and head quarterback that we're the polar opposite of Baker Mayfield Andy Dalton and Carson Palmer Personality wise and I think it's easier for a quarterback like Baker Mayfield to come in and eradicate all those ghosts in the building because of that charisma in that personality analogy and I'm not sure the Bengals have done that yet. Go ahead. I was a sad oh about the bengals appropriate yeah. Maybe the focus of your next profile E._S._p._N.. Hey <hes> you're not just a great profile profile writer. You got a lot of irons in the fire. Including you hosted show Costa show with the ring or big little live which first of all really nice job with title you Don. Thanks your thoughts because I don't know West a few weeks back on our show. Wrote seaports spoke cpos about the show. What are your thoughts about season? Two of big little lies the music. I thought that I feel like I should change the tone of voice more than N._p._R.. That's my Russell Wilson contract announcement voice he around the N._F._l.. Top Jaro Voice I. I thought that the acting was incredible. I thought the plot didn't quite hold me as much as in season one but I thought overall it was for this time of year. Is the perfect summer television show is. Is there a season three hope now I don't know I think that they've exhausted the run of this in the past it would be two seasons but you never know I would like. I do season three but Meryl Streep has a twin and she comes in and unleashes her brand of ood. That sounds fun feels like a bridge too far. It is good though I mean the prestige TV era that's ongoing we're kind of out of the from the enormous shadow of game of thrones which is nice rookie Hollywood they would behind the glass threw it out there. I need a show to watch. I nominated euphoria and meet. I saw you back that up. That's the one ricky that's a great. It's almost like a throwback H._B._O.. Show to the old days where it's it's titillating and a little wild and it's meant to scare away certain that they removed from their library about a year ago. I liked you for you too. I thought you already watching. I suggested silver spoons which West what's going on. Yeah that's not getting generational. Racial divide between Erica and the boys on the other side Gable Ricky would like Schroder <hes> finally before before you go and again. Thank you so much joining us. I WanNa give you are version. It's kind active like our old game qualify to fantasia. What's your fantasy? <hes> where I'm just GonNa give you an either or scenario a little sliding doors action boy okay okay. You're die-hard Seahawk Fan true which I loved by by the way here in the studio <hes> about who we root for an Menas out here covering the N._F._l.. And just being like I grew up with the seahawks with my old man and I just that's who I suppose I still do respect that yeah. No I can't hide it. I have a super bowl too. I'm not gonna I what is relatively whereas <hes> it's a forty eight Roman numerals. My brother and I made a packed if we ever won because obviously it was the first that we would get them together. The other wow I was I was worried that it was the one where the referees Dang steelers and your free you got it before the game and that would have been bad but okay. That's good that you've got the w all right here. We go if I can tell you that in Super Bowl forty nine the famous pass of course which we don't have to dwell on a happy to get into it but if you could go back in time and I won't guarantee anything else other than the ball is handed to is that Lenny in the background era is super morning. Get Out all I can tell you is instead of the famous play call the past. They hand the bottom Marsha okay. I can't tell you whether the playworks works. Would you be willing to live in a universe butterfly effect. That doesn't include the sketch the Joe Yeah for sure. It's it's nothing like it ever replaces it. He's now. This is easy because sketching I I've gone months without doing it recently. I've been busy so I don't mind I will say I don't think that they should have handed it to marshawn but obviously the interception what's the world's worst case scenario. I would rather have have got him gotten stuffed. which is what I think would have been the most likely outcome than the interception interesting so I guess because we don't know each other personally? I just imagine you to be on the sketch like fourteen hours which she knows sketch. It's has gone on the if he knew that it didn't exist and she remembered it from different universe that would be tough to deal okay and now you know it existed but you can't recreate gone. I think it would have found another outlet. Yeah the amount of time interception the gift for whatever is sent to me it would be worth it to eliminate speaking as a jets van it gets the but fumble forty seven times a week. I feel you're paying their right Meena again. Check it out. Baker Mayfield isn't afraid of the hype <hes> e._S._p._N.. Dot Com she also has a podcast the meantime show featuring lenny the Great Lenny <hes> and she's on all those other shows on E._S._p._N.. The lebatardshow does great great work on and so many other things and we just thank you for coming on the show giving us a few minutes. Thanks guys thank you kind of it all right there. She goes to delightful Oh. She's great got to have her back on the show. I think it's like we are in a time where for sports writing for a lot of people has been reduced to list. Here's a list of this or that and it's like that's is this really the upper echelon of why you started into this. She's still pounding out these stories where news five or six news stories come from it and you get to know a player in a way you wouldn't have so Kudos to her and she's like six hundred forty television shows so a busy lady ricky bag. Tell us what you think of Meena crimes. I think she's absolutely incredible. She's she's broadcast girl. Oh yeah she's a she's abroad a fellow broad she she's so impressive. She's so smart. She is not just your typical. You know girl reporter writer to not to throw shades yeah she. She's one of a kind I absolutely adore. Her own lives up the Hollywood hills. Oh yeah which you know at some point. I think we need to get up there by invitation. Preferably or whatever means necessarily storm the gates perhaps as a backup plan that has not worked well well for certain people in the past. You said she's been on the broadcast podcast of course you do with M._v._p.. I've also been a guest. I think we all have everyone are we all broad said Nice that gives us for the resume on yeah all right. Let's get out of here by the way this is it tonight. The Shield ten and to the number one seat in the playoffs plays for our third consecutive championship the Hashtag West that I've been using using all season long in the emails. I've sent out you recall because I see a Hashtag glazes defend. The dynasty is Hashtag and this is our chance to do it Erica. This is your first time for a season with the shield. You'll be getting <hes> import innings behind the plate tonight or the butterflies that for you feeling gun feeling confident feeling feeling excited good too dangerous. I woke up failing dangerous in my head wore my best underwear. All you know treated myself to a high octane sandwich. I'm saving this. You'd never know could be my last caveat championship last Hurrah best underwear well I mean ninety nine percent of us have favored David underwear mark because we wear underwear I currently do I have a favorite I bought a series of three that whenever they're out of the Washburn you're listening to the show come up in a while mark. <hes> it was well known went commando at all times a bit of a hippie throwback type thing it's not the case moved away. Just cut tired of that. I did that because I wanted to and then I didn't want to but I don't regret having done that do you are you always in independence. Now not not always takes showers dangerous. Oh you mean if I were to go out onto the street in jeans or something no I I would say yes I would say we're going as the three of us and our Buddy Jason Somewhat we we are going to see once upon a time in Hollywood on Thursday. I will be wearing a thin slice of dental. That'd be the only thing separating it will be wearing underwear for that. Event me on the UNDIES changed did actually change. We had that sponsor sponsor anymore. I love them to be again just when they come back then we can tell they take the bag out and they give us the bag. We'll talk about the BALLPARK company. They changed my life anyway so we're GonNa play are championship game and there will be a <hes>. I'm sure we'll talk about on Friday. Show I mean it's GonNa really suck if we lose because we'll have to address it in a press conference anything's possible but this this is this is the most comfortable affeldt about our team going into the tournament and less anyone think west and I'd take it to seriously we will be heading to the ballpark very early to scout the semifinal match up <hes> just to get some notes on our opponent in the nine P._M.. <hes> first pitch and we will use those notes to our advantage. You got into it with the trump or someone last time. Are you concerned that same individual will be overseeing your your game again. That's that is a mook. <hes> isn't the way they would assign into the championship game. All right is a hamburger in that industry so he was not he was not the best craftsman at umpire during they. It's just like any other sport. They're going to put their best people on the Games account. I imagine they're going to have a full crew including down chip for this. Yes we're GONNA see the outside outside the chest protectors from the old American league so we're we're very excited and there will be a party at a Tony Garcia are CR short star shortstops yacht club immediately after the game so hopefully that will be a celebration and not immediately maybe and and not like a <hes> everyone gronk on the bad ankle was dancing in Indianapolis after Super Bowl was was it forty seven. I just super bowl giants to yes. Exactly this is my first healthy championship for the shield. I'm looking forward to not a trace cancer and his bones or his body and it's a wonder no hamstring snapping like a twig. Knock knock on wood <hes> all right. Let's get out of here. We gotta get. We got a prep. Thanks again to Munich Times says Dan hands of signing off four quiet storm the mailman and Ricky Hollywood just just four broads chopping it up on.
Nat, Mike, Ben & Trade Deadline Disappointment
"If you haven't played putty power fantasy yet you're missing out on the upside if you haven't played it yet you qualify for a risk-free I go get up to twenty pounds back as when you play putty power fantasy and because every NFL game day is a season in itself you don't have to wait to find out if you won potty power fantasy hate waiting hello and welcome C C wiler went briefly to the browns in exchange for for them taking a second round draft pick off of Houston Miami Miami gets a fifth round picks and some gatorade this is interesting only in the sense that it's it's an NBA style trade this this is like the one where brock this is system or something like that but basically this is the rams trying to clear salary cap not for free agency which you might have thought I think yeah I have to say my Wednesday morning movement was a whole lot better than the NFL Sir Tuesday night movement yeah well let's start with the big story SPD's either I mean interesting shift in secondary interesting on that Mike on your point in terms of waited dolphins have approached this they are the big movers in the in the trade deadline market picking up a key to lead and fifth round pick going to Miami as well in exchange for a values those picks you might think the problem the thing is they've got the money from their whole roster is heavily underpaid as a and play for sure and then who knows maybe they can make him an offer for the next year maybe he'll buy into Brian floors a moment they've got four fourteen picks in the draft which does represent quite a significant departure from dolphins of the last ten years plus folks Bryant Hill is now the starting cornerback and he's no ocoee to leave as we saw at at at the game right I should hope not all it's always a lot of fun isn't it weighs twelve year accounting is still going strong but I'm a little disappointed that I was so excited about this show became in front office lessons from from the Patriots and you know when you have fourteen picks you obviously aren't going to bring fourteen rookies and Wednesday morning may magazines all the crazy trade deals John Day and it's a bit of it that Squibb has it pretty disappointing ahead more on that story as well Mike talk five or six Auckland's expert drops by two separate weekend of college action on the ESPN seventh round pick in two thousand nine hundred ninety two commodity that yeah they're going to trade that for two boxes of tape and she shall we say so they have they have the money to spend and they picked up a fifth for Kenyan drake so they're going to go in was projected to be backed by week fifteen but if I keep Toledo's doctor I'm telling you there so in the world you come back to play for the dolphins in the last two weeks of the in an start although the dolphins will have space for more than most teams do but it gives you that flexibility to say someone calls you up and says hey you've got three a fifth and you give us a third and all of a sudden new movie you've got you've got these little chips you can use to move yourself gradually into better positions in the draft to get get so they don't they don't have much in in the running back market and drake is a good runner his problem is he doesn't block now if somebody I think just to fill that spot and he'll I wouldn't be surprised if he plays the whole game on Thursday which will be interesting because cuyler Murray or somebody's going hey Robert Quinn a million dollar bonus to trade they're gonNA six round pick now that beggar keep Philippe four point two billion to get a fifth round pick yeah which kind of is hurt and chase edmunds who had a great game you know pulled a hamstring at the end of the day or early in the game and so he's he's out replay amongst others some jam packed show let's get straight into it with Mike now and Mike you know I never disappointed when I work with well I mean he's obviously a running back kick returner says this on a role to play on special they need him because David Johnson Cliff Kingsbury can probably get away with that in a lot of his offense without a back walks past flock particularly but he didn't have much choice they had to pick up super-sensitive by patty power fancy good to have you with us as we look back on a chaotic trade deadline day by Celtic Iberian not happen bubble tell you what did first round picks and you say well we'll give we'll give you one of the you know we want one of them and you say okay well we want you know a second one of yours next year and we'll give you a WHO really you know who really might help you right away yeah the metric Kenyan drake right on him going to the cardinals surprised at that deal I mean drake his being I have to tell him what to do on most of the planes all right let's move on that Jamal Adams was a player who was getting a lot of buzz all day and of course suggests simply re sign their own players have after the season is over it's not right Jalen Ramsey is going to be the big the big item and happen we'll get into all the big stories that you need to know disappointing trade ad line day he's been benched in Cincinnati obviously the degree with said one of them at least was bigger than Dallas and Joe Douglas supposedly was holding out for I in two seconds based on the Jalen Ramsey deal thank Joe Douglas is a pretty shrewd guy and then a player of atoms quality was only going to go if he could get a real bonanza for him and he couldn't quite get the bonanza leaper taking are key to league's salary off off the ram salary just over four million dollars and I doubt he actually ever played he could be back Halen Ramsey's a whole lot more important to attain than Jamal Adams who's a great player but but he's in the box safety yes he's not a pass he wanted to know whether he overplayed it or not I doubt that 'cause I doubt I think he's being honest I don't think he felt the need to move atoms it was simply if he orig- kind of Guy in particular the Ravens I think where the team that really wanted him and that would have been a a pretty good fit for all for all concerned Adam Schefter in one of them I think I think it was the Leonard Williams Trade said they were getting a third round pick this year and I'm thinking but this year's drafts already over okay so that's a neat trick if they can do it but I don't so I don't take all the report but from what I saw there were other offers besides Dallas it was the ravens that we're ready to the cowboys to you know the cowboys made serious offer and and and then they were the only team that promoted offered I know they were serious they were saying they were offering or and he's from Texas Connection Yeah so so I think oh for Leonard Williams the giants the giants I think Dave Cattleman just loves big guys you know you think about when he was in Carolina and around last eighteen in the last eleven years and five in the last eight and Quinton Williams the only one who still there you know and the another big defensive line because he's got he drafted Dexter Lawrence and BJ Hill and Devlin Tomlinson and and they you know that's the strong part of their team in your data's wish it kind of doubts type Movin player and they contend us this yeah I mean I don't take all the reports necessarily seriously twelve quinton Kabul's thirteen sheldon Richardson Fifty Leonard Williams Nineteen Quinton Williams that's that's six defensive lineman in the first as they want to be shopping and they would just listening to offers and there is a subtle distinction yes I'm surprised that deal didn't get done given quickly gone down let's go big and free agency route as opposed to let's try and and this and this is Florez and read the the lessons there on pedestals the NFL dot com writer tweeted out the dolphins paid Ron Tannahill a five million dollar bonus to facilitate trade that got them a fourth round pick the then they were trying to shut me out anyway so throwing a bit of shade on Jets Front Office there and that is counted by various Jonah saying well it's the a number of players were left Balas well from the jets were getting a lot of whispers and a lot of chat and Jamal seemed to be the strongest potential going to Dallas that seems to be the the player does well for you it becomes it becomes an even better sort of satisfaction because he's he he someone lost tier are tribals if someone was offering a bake off oh you can't refuse from from Jimmy Garoppolo or one of those guys that he would have had to go along with into in two thousand eight they took Vernon Gallstone in the first round eleven muhammed Wilkerson the jets point of view basically what they got was a fifth round pick because had they let him go they would have got a third round pick and compensation anyway if he went to the free suppose it's win win for both teams giving the jets giving the jets extra draft picks at least Miami have an idea of where what they're doing you think at least for a couple of lower picks and couldn't couldn't get bad you know it's a big contract he's coming off an injury he would be motivated to play presumably not had up front with with the star loved lately and all those guys he just felt the price was too good to pass up for me or anybody except the redskins and you know it'll be interesting to see now he's come now he's reported to get his he wants to get his year of service in just kind of for the jets the twenty five is well when he was I like that I like that deal for the giants. ABC Not the same in terms of the giants jets vice versa agent so you know so they basically simply got something extra and they got the third round pick earlier than they would have got it in compensation so I think I read somebody suggested his stocked he has the same doctor as Donald Trump did when he got the bones I bet he does the hamster project he assist they could've had they could have had a first for back at the beginning of the season and they were holding out for more apparently they were putting it's because we quiet and you know I was disappointed in some of the lack of lack of movement in the last couple of days because I really did think they would how many teams coach linemen up there aren't a whole lot that have turned out to be able to do that on a regular basis which is skins what expected to get dealt as well didn't so he's back Lucky lucky trend in Washington shrewd talk about Shrewd Front I said to make this NFL season on his record but The question will be whether they ever activated or not because you know isn't the kind of guy with his contract that you're going to rebuild around if you're the rams and you're trying to keep your own guys it's a it's a different situation and supposed part of the reason why New England stood with because they know their offensive line is not is not very good they can pretty much just get by with it a if you're if you're a team like like the Bengals I think you I think you have to look for rebuilding and Trent Williams saw an interesting one that big V. was was available from the Eagles if someone had wanted him Vitali who played well room for a lot of the day but but it didn't happen subsequently might when the when the deadline was done and dusted the front office told out engage they didn't want to go anywhere in the past The I was surprised Cleveland I think we're trying to get him at one because Cleveland Cleveland's got problems on the line and the bengals do but there was the fall of of Green Bay Minnesota with the jets Kinda stopover but that was maybe the tastiest edge I can remember in recent all in that super bowl year you know very well against the Patriots and then wasn't so good when they used them last year the other one was of course tight ends and everybody four forty kitchens I mean you know watch that team they have no I they they can't get what they got at the other half of last year tailback Landry's a great fit for what they wanted to at comes not such a great fit he really needs to be on a team where they throw the deep ball they never are yeah there's not kind of that same kind of phase edges I always it always starts off within with animosity and then as soon as navy old play action out of the pocket you know making plays now you know it's hard to keep a quarterback out of the pocket for a whole season but apart from the two fumbles wouldn't hotel Beckham to the Patriots are you kidding me I mean do you have any idea of what's going on typically much like transferred that line day in in in the UK in European football there's a lot of buzz flying around and rumors coming out in Austin he's deals don't get it anyway in terms of a player go into a hated rival yeah and and NFL rivalries to be fair are not they're not local Darby's in the most in most cases the rams didn't look at him given Whitworth that he seven NASA pro pro probably in his last year and Whitworth hasn't been effective this year as as he has and I think part of it is it fairly kitchens has these guys that he has to take care of because he he doesn't have the the Gravitas to be able to just tell them to shut up and do their jobs uh-huh and and therefore they can't really run the offense that they ran for the last half of last year when when it really was Nick Chubb running and a year but but of course now looks like he's forty four forty five comes to the end of the road yeah and you don't have thought because the Patriots cut nugent who hasn't been Taylor I for it was going to go from Cincinnati probably to New England and apparently they might have been looking at hooper as well but they don't have any cap space to yeah that's true because Patriots you've been might new since appointing what he's always a pleasure that I remember fondly through three Mike another we joke about how they have a bottomless pit of money and how they managed to keep acquiring talent maybe maybe the weather's run dry but I'm slightly surprised lab Brian and his wife harbor he lost a child very young infant son and he went out and played I think it was the next night a this year but he member he was coming off of US coming off of injury last year and and he's an interesting character particularly good for them and I have thought that the base would consider signing him if only to give Tom Brady somebody from his own generation facing adversity and just bearable pain they must be feeling still professional went out and did that I always thought of him with her links with Beckham as well that was a very buzzy Ruma flying around machines well yeah but they signed nick folk to do the kicking David Beckham David Beckham's guessing the exception except in different conferences so they only play each other in the regular season once every twelve hundred millenniums or whatever but the interesting thing was from right talk to but Brian Brian has been a great kicker and a really dependable one up until fallout him I guess as a result of that not to mention a hell of a player in the old time Falcons leading scorer one of the most reliable kick is year off the Air Ranta but also he played he played for the Iowa Barnstorm in the arena league that same team the Kurt Kurt Warner the more it would be more action Belmont was interesting Trent Williams another big story in the world so he's been holding out of the it will very soon afterwards as well so much like five when he played often using his father and and many other similar stories that plays in played for you played in the NFL Europe for Frankfurt Nfl European mentioned that yes you're going on facebook somebody and before Obama signed him he had that he had spring with the Florida tuskers in the whatever it was called a football league who you who your members started with the chargers bombed out of course Yay and he was on the Patriots practice squad when they signed nugent they signed him at the this is about bringing up a yeah sorry and he also played for the Florida tuskers in between the OH in between Campo Tampa cut him for the Colt so you know what he's six Mike Forty six forty seven in December there we go so you know because obit more you know we're we're it's drop back passing and it gives him some time to get to get into those one on one situations where you can get free at a team like the and everybody's happy at least for a week you know and and vegetarian looking at 'em vegetarian this week and he's what forty back in that he's one of many guys in the NFC south seemed to move between teams in the division you know he kicked her Tampa and then he moved the New York football giants or somebody like that they should try to get it I'll be amazing if he went back you mentioned nick folk he's coming for he's another guy I remember interviewing him in ninety six I think for the at what he was playing for the Amsterdam admirals and he was both punting and kicking for the ad else and he had just a great story from said how did you end up South Dakota so that's where my family's from and and he was just lucky that when they went out on that interested to learn the steelers betty Snell is the son of the former Scottish claymore running back Ben Snow Wow that one pass me by but patrol or whatever it was that they left the band behind or else he would have been killed you would have been killed at custer's last and he's Great Steve Four now's Yoga forty five and finished military missed an extra point and a forty five yard field goal and then kicked a fifty one yard or to win the game at the buzzer and Freddie Scott played the NFL and so did his son Freddie Scott Junior and that was that was a few years ago just thinking about that a Matte Bra kicker the Falcons and there are lots of reasons for the I remember you doing a game early on in together TV game same time this is sort of a backup plan but I think they would let him go before that I think he was just out there on the street so they've young Oku and the Patriots have now like folk the NFL with his coaches coach was Steve Steve Spurrier I think if I remember correctly but the United States and the voice of extra content up there all through the week news stories that you need to be across and video and video that we makings well so lots of bonus just just the friendliest the friendliest guy and I think that's a a sort of generation of there's some very good kickers in that generation Bryant and Vinnie terrier are two of the as in other sports mike the rail to bossert athletic to read ranges to Celtic cool little you know it doesn't it doesn't jets fans on going to be too kind of a big apart for nick but he was running like three paper yeah worrying for the pay all the fuss where's the season right isn't and where we a year of course with a fractious at banged up offensive line or running game for most of the season no A. J. Green so he's had a difficult time of it is it it was called the NFL to UFL fell. I tell you I can remember him in the team and I can't remember the league name I am getting I'm as old as bad brian time got closer and closer nats frantic banging on the door let me let me ever going on there but we played against three boy that makes me feel old bear kids are coming in because it was interesting I know you mentioned this little video I made and losses because you're Owen eight but because you don't want him to develop bad habits you don't want him to become gun shy you don't WanNa be comes come on Sunday and when I am one of the things I didn't get to to put in the video because I was editing in my head as as the on air knowing their assignments and stuff like that and and to me that's bats the bigger problem it's not the quarterback position at yeah I suppose you find out what you've got with Ryan Finley but you know have is suspected by the end of the season the bengals may win a couple of games mm spot you won't be any you won't be any more convinced one way or the other because you haven't had a real good chance to see your quarterback in a good situation and you can the NFL good yeah so anyway the Falcon signed young whole young young Ho Cook Young Ho coup I think squirted into the conversation you know Daniel Jones was having the kind of day like pat he makes big plays he makes mistakes and this was was stunk the joint up was unbelievably bad was was comically bad at times with guys ball falling down asked to in that now you mentioned NFL Europe I'm GonNa dive just quickly to mail bag a CPA and Joe Mauer back by Facebook at the NC show if you want to follow us on social incidentally is who went into the NFL one of whom was swift who played who started for the Dolphins in seventy two on the undefeated but another one was Freddie Scott at amherst nice to be able to bring a quarterback in and the situation look at look at Daniel Jones for example you know I I think I said when we're off camera during during the show he's not retiring cause Alabama's going to like bear Bryant recruit black players soon so there's no point but anyway so he got cut Houston signed to me wasn't drafted but afl drafts were kind of casual thing in those days anyway many went to Denver became all league and then Oakland got him and he had like ten years Komo you'll see it took about the guys behind Jimmy that they took today and look at the jets in the south you know and I- Duffy Doherty's famous quote when he retired as Michigan state coach They said Whitey retiring now that's sort of the case with Dole mobile the big plays a bit further apart and they've been lose the game because Andy played badly they lost the game because they're so when they were looking when when the traditionally black colleges became a major feeder for the NFL because they relatively been overlooked since tank young Sakchai a card in Houston Josh Rosen and as you know the first two years in the NFL it's all right that's right and upshaw became the players association so they had they had good shell actually had a good you here's head coaching fired not one of the greats might tell us more yeah I mean the thing with Willie Brown says he came from grambling university when in the early days of the AFL League choices which is certainly a hall of fame resume but it but his his big play came in Super Bowl Li it was the first one to join NFL team came along and they start to realize there was an awful lot of talent that just wasn't playing on the big stage because of segregation with Oakland where he was just brilliant so you know between being all afl an nfl he's got four first team in four second team just destroyed the the right side of of Minnesota's Defense Jim Marshall in particular at defensive obstacles went on to be a race love winning new customer Alpha in Five Pounds Twenty pounds refund teases supply potty fantasy rules apply Beijing plus begun to article by Dan Jenkins from sports illustrated about it and he said he was talking all the improbable in this game the best one was the kicker the Raiders Kicker Barrowman he missed the fuel go into extra points in that in that super bowl they still won and John Jenkins Rochereau man kept aiming at the Ventura freeway eh they benched him and Bert Ryan anything fair probably not but it's what you have to expect a little earlier than I thought they might you are seeing Jay we're talking about the adult is the prototype of you know the mixed by quarterback sometimes he's great he's bad and he hasn't been getting a little help this in and out and heading direction the jets don't seem to have any idea to be honest we clip briefest isn't around right because you've mentioned a number of times exactly exactly and when he intercepted Fran Tarkenton and this was a great super bowl it was the one where art shell and Willie upshaw Star Gene upshaw let's go and give us a call if you haven't already this is from Andy Robson thanks to the sinuses Matt thanks to you and I'm Mike Fermenting. NFL Europe on the Po Cost Week you may be the let's quickly talk about additon getting benched Mike he had a difficult time on Sunday showed it was it was built in the pre game show ask any quarterback at Carnegie Archie Manning to play an entire career teams would battle offensive line's mob we're all she okay let's because putting putting a rookie in these circumstances is is a risky move because you worry about Woody Brown the Great Willie Brown postal last week seventy eight hall of Famer Three Time Superbowl winner of course part of that brilliant raid his is another story but is so in that super bowl that was kind of that was kind of the play that sealed the Super Bowl and there's a great give you all pretty soon Freddie Scott Three's going to calm me down except John Madden and Fran Tarkenton but luckily Tarkenton was the only one he had to run on the seventy five yard interception return that that was instead of the uprights in the rose but anyway his his point with Willie Brown was Willy Willy a guy who can't outrun anybody six thirteen winning percentage two hundred wins but five and thirteen in the playoffs this is like Marvin actually Marvin Lewis could be on this championships and stuff like that art considered so the top five there's a there's a bunch of guys who just missed the cut as ever couldn't win the Super Bowl Dot coach to the Atlanta team that went to the Super Bowl absolutely yeah and Don coryell is to seven in the playoffs but Schottenheimer's problem I think in the playoffs was he played one way and you knew what that way was and so when you're his marv Levy and Levy should really get bonus points because he went to three grey cups in what it twice with the Montreal Alouette in the years I notably most notably Dan Reeves strangely enough denver in Atlanta and Chuck Knox who's defense which people tend to forget now but but it was David had been put together this was the first bill polian great teams and probably in some ways the playing in regular seasons that's fine but when you get to the playoffs and you're GonNa meet one or two really good defenses it always becomes a problem when you can't adjust also had some terrible luck and got fired a couple of times by silly owners who didn't realize they had a step forward Dan cider was one of the great innovators as a coach and very good and regular season but three and six in the playoffs so that's a that's a formula there so at number five work with Willie Brown was one of those great cornerback and certainly deserve to be mentioned yet well said raising at Gloucester right four straight losses in the super bowl is the bills had and getting to the super bowl for years in a row is quite an achievement absolutely and these bills teams as well I mean this you know the the didn't have been at number three is our current favorite Andy Reid whose another guy with a six hundred zero six eleven winning percentage in the regular season he's the top five top five coaches who've never WANNA super bowl well you know that facet interesting one because simply because you have to only consider coaches Alvin fourteen in the postseason Andy Reid can do everything except managed the clock he he's the quickest coach I've ever seen to get and I was living in Montreal and they were tremendously entertaining but you know he was seven and he was eleven eight overall in the playoffs but everyone remembers he died I think he was those were the days you know Davis used to keep people he liked around you know people people he could quote on personal favorites and was pretty successful as a head coach but seven and eleven in the playoffs and that tends to be the pattern reeves had a winning record in the plane teams were kind of always based on powerful veteran defenses and maybe not enough offense to go but he started super bowl era so there's some some guys from earlier in the sixty say who you might you might consider aren't there of course mall of the great coaches who won and wide open play that you do and see if they'll because you only have three downs on so you so you do have to go for first downs and interestingly I didn't realize this I had forgotten it but he coached career winning percentage in the regular season is seven twelve in the NFL and interestingly he coached the Chicago blitz the year before Marv Levy did Esta the on both sides of the ball and their offense the K gun offense owed a lot to the NFL it was that understood Gilman with the rams but never really embraced Sid Gillman Style Don Coryell style passing game and then George Halas hired him so when he left the blitz Levy took his job but he's too in seven in the playoffs and not quite sure why although as away from running the ball getting back to let's just throw it all the time and in the last three minutes of four minutes of a game his decisions almost always Tom a tough coach Purple People Eater Defense Fran Tarkenton Joe Kapp both both guide him to the Super Bowl I put him up at number one party questionable which is his buddy is a good team builder and a really good coach at number two is George Allen Who's Bill Walsh and Cincinnati the old the old boss promised him or or intimated that he should have the head coaching job and when he wasn't going to get it did that exaggerated drop kick the the quote Unquote Competition Committee immediately bandit which puzzles me quite a bit because ask if you add in his CFL career he's got two hundred ninety weds overall and a bunch of Grey Cups with Winnipeg regular season ten and twelve in postseason bud grants from the Vikings and grand produced some good teams that just managed to find ways to lose his regular season records impressive as Allen's and he's famous for losing super bowls six twenty one winning percentage which is pretty good fodder for fourteen and record exactly yeah and in San Diego ended in Washington he got he got unceremoniously dumped when he should aw as well because we've talked about this before I agree that the especially the way you have to line up now on onside kick st is perfectly legal and now you're reinterpreting the rules and the the problem with drop kicking in the NFL was that the ball has has much more pointed edge the US about as well is that where he was in the USFL but he wasn't with the Bliss Ca Houston at number four is Marty Schottenheimer USFL for the Chicago blitz in Nineteen eighty-four before he joined buffalo so between CFL and Buffalo and some college where John Kennedy was in as his defacto defensive coordinator replacing Clark Shaughnessy would also been with the rams simply because he wanted to figure out how to stop Sid Gillman so he figured he'd have to bring these rugby ball and it's much tighter harder and has a much smaller sweet spot in rugby ball so it's a lot harder to get a drop and kick the can control guys in the Allen was also the draft guy for George Halas Oh did good gale Sayers Dick what is all came from Allen's drafts but for for safety reasons they say although onside kicks don't produce all that many injuries as far as I've seen many studies this on when Alice was voted coach of the year again he just took often when somewhere else but but the winner is a lot of respect for the hanging ball in the air is probably a better bet than the than the square along the ground but most most NFL kickers tried to get the hanging ball by bouncing it yeah really well respected coach players loved him use tough but fair and I think he's number one coach who should have won a super bowl but breath kicking it off the tee and getting it to bounce high off the off the turf and and the NFL obviously wants to do away with kickoffs altogether right sorta without he had warmers but but Graham was a tremendous athlete professional basketball players well football player of great note and I mark it's really difficult for you to be able to come back you can get a score you you might even be able to get the ball back but half your your percentage of recovery was a lot higher than in the situation at the end of the game where they knew your onside kicking but now you have to declare Dell's teams that he that he had extraordinarily good I mean I think they're went into at least water super bowls in the heavy favorites right yeah they were great offensively they had really anita famously in Minnesota he wouldn't let the players use hand warmers because he figured yes right if you figured that they could play in candidate without hand warmers they could play receiving team more players to block out the the coverage team which is you know what you want to do if the kick comes high you Dan yourself but you know I mean I think there was some somebody gave a bad tweets the odds of you're getting the ball back are really small so you then try the onside kick and now the onside kick recovery is really really small and it used to be grabs and how they put put put them together and you know admittedly it's aimed at people without necessarily and you know they are open to return more because of this because of the way the alignment puts an extra player upfront which gives the during that week which I felt compelled to respond to about about the NFL show the nosy and Jason do with chapters and you know I think that that show supposed to be about and we can we can quicken crunch things Sweden crunch things over and over again but but in the end I think you know put them down and and when the coverage team comes down there trying to knock players over who might will be able to recover the ball so so I think that more open I remember Pitch Lubbock crack and work on Mike and keep those requests coming in Mike five at the and C. Show if there is a subject he want Mike to cast is over Oh itself has started to influence the way other British broadcasters and the BBC you know look at their highlights kick rules does the NFL mandate the use of the Kikuchi well rugby-style fullest possible. He says it was possible to recover on current rules just wanted why experienced that but I think that he studied but he's yeah without the onside kick if you're down by two two scores and around the two minute see that if you did if you onside kicked by surprise like like the saints did in the Super Bowl against the the coast started started a second need to be able to include people who don't have a depth of knowledge to try to make things easier for them to understand but primarily entertaining and that's what that's what the Sports Adele returning an onside kick for a touchdown for Kansas City which I thought at the time was like the greatest play I've ever seen but I I was I was young and are your onside kicking so you can't run a surprise on sites and I think that's a huge loss to coaches as well because that's that end to fans because that's a hugely exciting play folio on twitter account so sports and read year stylings patreon.com Ford Slash might call some f. m. t. thank you and the way you get in touch with us speaking of which one for the road might this is for Abigail that he's got in touch with us so I appreciate the question a quick question on the a quick shout out to the guy's a touchdown touchdown trips dot com if you're planning a trip stateside to watch a college game maybe that'll get you in the mood for that an NFL game even a high school game whatever you not to use the extra time of well there's two reasons I mean the first answer is yes you don't have to use t but when when Justin Tucker ragged staff from iron mike he'll be back same time same place next week now before we chat college with Ben Isaacs clock change we need to be mindful of right yet seems to catch people out every season when it comes to college football we're always aware that the NFL will be an hour earlier in the day off the we've changed twitter you know they they would have been going crazy shot down on shore might crack and walk I will see you some that Wembley Stadium I guess I should show up incidently check them out and they will look off your stateside football trip right speaking of which let's get on to college business with Ben Isaacs they say oh you know it was such fun great great I just yeah I mean I just love love doing it with Associate Jason what we got Sunday hopefully was was an entertaining as well as informative and that's really what you WANNA shoot for with sports broadcasts didn't agree in the show and somebody I think that the Jason Saunas kicked Buffalo Return for a touchdown it was quite tasted on cycle. I mean that's one of the ones I've seen this season yeah well just for the sport shall we say if nothing else but if you like trump study pay close attention to it all your producer who is a degenerate gablers hip touchdown trips are the guys to touchdown trips dot com they can create a bespoke trips they can take you where you WanNa go specific team whatever you want including the Super Bowl we can get into a bunch of people to the Games this weekend on ESPN play as you rightfully reminding me just before you came on the I thought he was just a degenerate he's developed this season's as he sees other life on you I am all the better as indeed our listeners have you on the show so got to eight teams playing in November that's fantastic let's say Penn state beat Minnesota they then go Ohio stay on November twenty third win both of those and we'll be on one. PM VM right and the Games of course star three hours after that so the earliest games will kick off at four pm not Lybia and that's the thing to remember but you oh clock but you've got to remember the Saturday after that it's still in effect so you can get College Game Day at two PM on a Games will start three hours insurance they're going to be in that sold for making the playoffs and they would probably be the weakest those full but no one's GonNa WanNa play them my number four is the national champions Clemson Tigers now travel orange the quarterback caught everybody by surprise and the gamble is what makes it so memorable all God if if he had missed it think of what the mouth clowns would have been would have been doing on on now wait sorry by ball's amazing this is going on my c legend doing it down years so they've played as many good teams but they blow teams out with the exception of the the one game where they played nobody expected him to be a star quarterback and he's making noise people think attentional heisman winner potential first round draw AAC WE shall see they've got to buy this week at Minnesota who also as no I don't expect Minnesota Zoo beat Penn state only Minnesota to trouble the College Football playoff getting's my number two is number one in the AP over there my number two three times this year they've beaten a team that was ranked in the top ten only be okay by his own very high standards and they've only beaten one good team Texas A and that's all their faults they ACC that constance it was good. I'm on a couple of roles now couple good weeks picking the Games I say well okay Bob Picks all the Games on Fridays well so if if you like throwing is Penn State's they're vastly balanced team the only one of my five or don't have a star quarterback it's about it's really interesting for them they're eighteen college football right now who the top five the big power the Ben Isaacs Powelfire okay so fine these ominous feeling the AP top five this is Mike prediction of what the top five will be when the College Football Playoff Selection Committee announces their first team where the first selections which will have in less than a week's time mine of absolute lock for the top four when it comes to the College Football playoff because there's no one right now who can beat a number three's Alabama Yep a seas way out of our they finish his always against all an auburn a really good team so Alabama about the opposite problem that Clemson Clemson have got no one to impress us with Alabama really North Carolina where they won by one point every Clemson that's one game where you think wall on a they doing and then every other game they steamroll attains I think right now the it's not it's not a general election thank God for that no I couldn't agree bosie great fodder let's roll around due to get on solid so see that and see not just in fields as being an absolute revelation quarterback since he transferred from Georgia seems completely unstoppable and they've got the best defense did Ryan days come in to take over that job and they've not missed the beat if anything they look better Ohio stadiums unless you would be absolutely spectacular championship game the way the way I've got my rankings right now these state is they own it's unlikely because you've got LSU playing Alabama that's going to affect things you would have an against all console and that's fine they're going to buy this
Under the Radar MVP Candidates; Gronk Comeback Talk
"Deal round with the NFL cast, Sierra Ciara tomato tomato. I'll to another distant of the around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan. Hey, this joy, a build with EROs, Mark, Cecil Lindsey roads and Greg Rosenthal. What is up boys? Girl. Chef we're not the Greg's really dressed up today while part of it is, it's freezing in the studio. And this is the only way that's going to keep my frail small body. That's one way to put it in other way it is when we do our live hits network. Greg likes to put on the jacket and not use people in the third floor, like oh this guy, he's got he's got potential. Who's the human pulled out of the west Anderson Andersonville on the left. Don't dress for the job. You have for the job. You many heads where you're, you're much better dressed than I am mixes up. Well funny, one. Yeah. I don't know if I put Dan in that cata good, nice dresser. But I don't know how many times you've, I wouldn't say the same shirt as Greg Craig is colorblind suet marks comment, to me was our wearing the same shirt. Another reason, put on the coast made sense with the code for that reason. So for the minute and a half that we run. I mean, we got our we got both of our shirts from the generic men of two thousand nineteen checkered collection who doesn't have generic white. Magazine had a really nice. It's good publication clothing line. Lindsay you doing. Yes. I was going through some of the, the history of Lindsay on the around the NFL podcast, which is how does one do that? Just comb through the archives where street is very rich here. That's also rich history telling, but a couple episodes back. This is probably your fifth or six maybe seven time on the show. Remember there was the Lindsay roads. Maternity leave extravaganza. That was one of the all time favorite Lindsay appearance as with your second child. Right. Okay. To probably third on my maternity. Oh, we were saying last we were waving to you right in front of time. I think that was like my last day before I did just a an indicator was memorable. I do. I do remember it now. Yes. Exactly. We all have a combined, not with each other where we have eight children and how many since we started working together you started NFL win two thousand eight. Wow. All these children of showed up since we all got to know each other. We've been able to work together for so long. I mean you and I also weren't married, when you started here, so you did things in that correct order in that at the right way, the right way, technically my baby with me to two day ship yet, but we had just met. You gotta just met the baby does Dan ABC was just a baby. But so yes, the history is rich in. We're happy to have you back. Thank you. I'm happy to be here, sitting in the west chair because Chris Wesseling is on his honeymoon down in Mexico. I believe, yes. Puerto vallarta. Is that in Mexico? I believe that's where yes styles. I believe that's where it is. You know, that's where it is. Also, we'd when he comes back he has a lot to talk about because we group purchased him Wes big nice massage. So we'll have to see how that went for about that Instagram. Yeah. Which there was a texture in going back and forth. And the idea is this something because you never know with west what he likes and what he'll be like, hey, I'm open for anything or what he'll be like I've never do that. So it was kind of a coin flip yet. But I think he I was kind of out of pocket this weekend, but he enjoyed it. What was his response? I missed everything on the he said that he was on Instagram. I believe he was considering now getting monthly massagers so that same thumbs going nailed it. So happy honeymoon to the lovely Wesseling couple coming up on today's show with the great Lindsay roads of NFL network. And if you don't know, Lindsay, first of all, your monster our you, not watching our program responsible to not knowing she is, what is wrong with it is, we're talking about the face of NFL network. That's well. Is in. Okay is. And maybe like, you know, the guy he was the first person to say words on this platform. Yes, he is the face. But I'm talking about the more day to day, NFL network. What's going on Lindsey's always there, because she's the host of NFL total access. The sucker who will show up every single flagship show, the flagship program of NFL network, which she co host with Scott Hanson and you guys do great work. So you check that out. And in honor of that on today's show, we'll do another tradition with Lindsay which is some ta topical 's. Oh, yeah. With Lynn's also coming up on today's show under the radar NFL MVP candidates liberty knows the names that always get bandied about is this is the MVP usually quarterback. But we're going to throw out some names, and it's not going to be anything, preposterous. It's going to be people that it should make sense as soon as that person says it when we go around the horn. Oh, yeah. I can see that. It's a possibility. Not so far, under Dr that, you know, we would be three main plausible like Matt paradise. You know, he's not gonna be the MVP. I know he might anchor the offensive line this year. But he he's not going to be somebody that you're gonna throw out there. No offense lineman has ever won the Associated Press most. I like that. You're following that up. Dining case any of you actually are still on. The train for Matt to win this award. But before we do that, what's do some news everyone's going to say something, you know, when right now, you awful pick, but when he wants to supervise everyone oh, he was the greatest time. That's just how life work. Well said saquon Barkley, who's commenting on his new teammate and rookie passer, Daniel Jones, that included like my least one of my least favorite things in sports media, which is the overeager, too loud. Too soon laughter. That would never they never be laughing in real life off of that. But it was like. Just how life works. I know I will say that you're right sometimes journals when athlete actually kinda is light and jovial, maybe get overeager. But then you gotta remember these journals also deal with people like tack McKinley in Atlanta. I don't know if you saw his reason press conference where he gave that one eight straight. I'm good. That's good. It's good answers, and then walked up. So when somebody is actually giving you online. I could see get a little over year. All right. I thought mine, I've been I've been I've done that before I've, you know, given p athletes way too much credit for being funny. When it's fine, one guy that gets too much credit for being funny. Rob gronkowski. The former patriots tight in little Zinger at there. But now he's fine. I love Grenfell like an unnecessary Zing. Well. Consider it accurate that needed. Anyway. Ten weeks ago, grog called it a career. He stepped away said, I'm done playing after a legendary run with the patriots and ended with a Super Bowl title. Remember his agent at the time we are actually in Arizona. Drew Rosenhaus was making himself very public in the lobby throughout the weekend, talking loudly on a cell phone enjoying himself. And he told the media, he didn't believe it. His own client, he said, no, he you know, don't be surprised if gronk plays again. Well, gronk was speaking to reporters at a children's event, it's let stadium and was asked about any, you know, rumors that he wants the comebacker will come back. Whatever I say, it doesn't matter. It will always be crazy out there, you can put them to rest. I'm feeling good. In a good place thirty years old. You know beat up thirty regular ABRAHAM LINCOLN here out of the quote out of the code of. Thirty years old. No. But he end quote, thank you, MS real journo is in the room, but he is, you know, showed he had something left in the tank in the playoffs. But also it was a tough last season is coming back. I still think he's going to be on the patriots in November. I, I do believe that. I don't, but I don't put much stock into what he's saying that, like a June charity event. He's forced to speak. Of course. He's thinking that now, when it gets to September October could maybe those are not to do training camp and mandatory minicamp, and June and all that I feel like it'd be more like something where he just comes in for the stretch. Run bell check always says the season starts at thanksgiving or whatever. That's when we start that might fit in there. It's the one case where the patriots have been too successful, because what is the motivation? It's not the athlete trying to get come back to get that Antonio gates that one Super Bowl run. Well, you've been there like fourteen times your dominant. What is what is more appealing than you know, watching football from a distance and no longer be drinking destroyed beaver giant people. Yeah, I get it. I, I tend to think that the that he probably won't come back. I think he definitely believes he won't right now. Now. But primarily because I think the patriots are going to change their whole offense. They haven't it's not like they brought in another tied into take his place. So I feel like I, I feel like they're just going to do it completely differently this year, and that it would be weird to call him up in November, like you would normally do that, if the guy that they brought into take his place got hurt. And then all of a sudden you're looking for a tight end. WBZ w Arana. Out from an organization standpoint, I feel like if you have a chance to get a recharged in into a gronk, and you're often, especially like we're speculating now, a lot of the football Agnes senti is speculating that the patriots could struggle on offense is just not a lot of male. Laid though narrative off season. It's always, they're always expected to struggle because they lost fill in the blank, and they always find I have no expectation for them to struggle this year because gronk left, they've been fine without ground like they find ways. I think he's an extremely special tight end. But I think that Bill Belichick will just find a different way to attack things authencity. And I think that they're going to be fine. I agree with you for the record. I don't want to agree with you. But I think the patriots will have attend top ten offense again this year. It would be a bizarre reality if they don't because they always do it's completely different time to live in Tom Brady. He is the quarterback of the patriots. He's entering his age forty two season. Well what about playing even later? Russell Wilson did a had a nice conversation with our own Mike silver in which he explained. You know, he's thirty years old. He just signed that big contract with Seattle. He's entering his ninth season but he wants to play a lot more football. In fact, he wants to play until he's forty five years old. I feel like begin quote. Thank you. I feel like I'm just getting started. That's the scary part. That's the most exciting part. That's real really where I believe that I am right now. I'm just getting started. And I believe this team is just getting started. So I think that we can do anything that we set our minds to do close quote. So where where is the forty five I'm looking for in the copy standby? So it's there it is in the story. Yeah. It's a piece by Mike. I. Mike. I. Okay. Absolutely. I would think it'd be earlier in the copy, but well, it's a good invite for the listener to go anybody else on at any point. And I would love. Saying that he wants to play tilles, forty five feels a little bit. Like, don't put that out there. Like when people even in any way and Josh Rosen did this last week in a way that was very benign and whatever, but he used he compared himself to Tom Brady in a way that was very not like I'm comparing myself to Tom Brady. But he said something like if I could be even you know, close to the what he is in this in this way. And this way. Then that's what I want to be. And it was a compliment and it was like, here's the bar, and I just striving to be that, but the way that the quote was passed, and then put out on Twitter at becomes this, like always comparing himself to Tom Brady, and he's not even close to Tom Brady. And I just feel like people should sort of learn that lesson, and maybe just don't even go and close that Brady Tom Brady's been saying forty five now for a while. And Tom Brady still three seasons away from forty five. I'll believe that when I see it like he's turning forty two. He's clearly the greatest aging quarterback of. All time in terms of his ages thirty nine to forty one seasons. And even he, I would be surprised if he's around in a couple of it's a strange thing. I know the years you'd be surprised. Yeah. This is going to be forty two. Right reason. Yeah. I'd be surprised if all his age forty five seasons still in the NFL. Yes to me from a fan angle. It's saying this downstairs these guys that I like star athletes in my life for a nice long amount of time. But I don't need, for instance, if you're Kyla Murray or Sam darnold, if you wanted to play till, you're forty five your career wraps in twenty forty three that in Dan likes Darnell, but that's too much of him in my life for the next twenty something years. It's like give me I want Brady to be a little bit more of an outlier than every quarterback is playing for the next two plus deck. It really does has changed the how the NFL looks because right now Aaron Rodgers turning thirty five thirty. So you would think he'd be on the back night. You know, you'd be kind of wrapping up his career, and you don't. Even think about that with him. They just gave Ben Rothlisberger a new contract. He's getting up there Philip rivers, like drew Brees. I think breeze rivers in Brady and Eli off free agents next off season. So it's like what kind of contracts, do you give those guys at that age? It's not a contract. Ally. Doesn't get right. That's fair. Unless unless the giants truly double down on their Novi Marcus mariota 's new backup in Jacksonville, but that's an interesting question for the rest of them update. I have more pertinent, quote, all right? To the top. Okay. Seventy on by so fast. You think about just turning thirty years. And what I have for the rest of my career for the next ten to fifteen years. I'm just so fired up about it. He think about some of the best quarterbacks of all time guys like drew guys like Tom, I really look up to those guys. They're so much more to do. And then Mike, forty five and then Russell replies. Yeah. Yeah. That's the goal just fired up for it, and quote, go hand to quote, go hawks. Moving on a good goal. Yeah. Life goals. Martin about on network. Bark said on up to the minute with Andrew cecillia on no today that he will be podcast until he's eighty nine or ninety Godwilling. Bark is ready for production questionable. But, you know, somewhere maybe in my house, we're doing this podcast in forty five years. Oh my gosh. I just don't know what to say. I don't even know. I don't know if that would be a achievement or feels some type of purgatory because we we all we just discussed. We have a flock of children that we could actually hand the show off to and they'd be handed the show off, they'd be deep into their forties. Herod giving them a career that point. So I mean, I think if you're still there will be an indictment of the NFL's, retirement and health care plan. Well, we're still needing this show up. It's like all right, we do in three shows this week OT around up. Yeah. The well, one of Russell Wilson's thing is he eats? No dairy. No mold no yeast. No, gluten. And that's he's going to be healthy longer. You can change your up time out. No mold that just means what like no cheese. Old. Olds, mushrooms, lots of certain sauces, soy sauce can be have mould live likes to it. How does that end up on your dietary list, like no mold? Well, it's, it's yes, so hard to give thing. Like an orange with a sheen of green on it that, you take eat like a hand fruit now like it's more like like cheese as a mold Calvin Johnson move ours. I know Calvin Johnson is a retired wide receiver a great a future hall of Famer plays entire career with the lions. But there has been no Calvin Johnson halftime celebration. There's been no Calvin Johnson lines anything, and it all goes back to well, what a lot of things go back to money money. Calvin Johnson told Dave Birkett in the Detroit, Free Press, what the lies need to do to get this relationship back on track. They already open quote, they already know what they got to do the only way they're going to get me back as they put that money back in my pocket close quote. And if you remember the lions required mega Tron to reimburse the team for portion of a signing bonus that he had an earned before retiring three years ago. So I think it's around a million dollars that, you know, the money if he gets that, that's the price tag to get Calvin Johnson, back and Ford field. Would you pay for that for what I have a problem with the fact that there's an expectation that, that he should get that money back in the first place like get that there's also an argument that like a million dollars seems like pennies if you're the lions and you get one of the faces of your franchise to come back to the tape. Able but at the same time, I'm I'm lost on white. There's an expectation on his part to have earned that money like, why you wouldn't have to pay that back if they pay you if you sign a three year deal and then you, retire after you're here, and then the signing bonus is essentially just a way to give you more money around the salary cap. So it's a pro rated situation. It's not really like thank you so much. I'm in twenty million dollars because you're an organization of failure, and he is a player of total excellence and your nickel and diming someone who brought a higher level of performance to your organization then you're ownership ever has or your coach or pretty much any other player and you're saying, hey, we're going to just take that little bit out of your pocket because we can they did the same thing with Barry Sanders. It's type of thing dumb organization. Do they made very Sanders? Repay his signing bonus to them, and he always felt bad about it's, it's, you know instead of like saying youth, thank you. And sending cool, Instagram messages, just let them keep his money and don't be nickel in diamond. It's a bad look and respect. I think it speaks to a team that post megatonne has almost no other players that could even put out there it half time to celebrate. There's very unwritten history of quarterback is nice player. He's still playing though talking about past guys. Or bring our loss. David Shaw, the best, let's bring him back and throw a bunch of flags up in the air. But if you're not doing the work then. So if you agreed on and maybe I'm just diving into this antics of every coach back every every year that they were unpaid and didn't do the job. You know what I mean? It's just you're, you're making a decision alternately. No. They're only they're only getting, they only keep that money because the team fired them walked away. It was his decision. So if you're signing three year deal, and I don't remember the terms or whatever. But, like, just if you sign a three year deal and you walk away after one year, then you shouldn't be paid for the two years that you agreed to be paid for like that was what you both sides decided was your value at the time. I totally agree with, like, I think that's from, like a honor the job you did kind of standpoint. Yes. The problem. A little bit is, I think the lions just look petty right in all this look at more like the NFL owners have an incredible and teams have an incredibly one-sided in dominant relationship over player contracts anyways. So it's like why why why go why go after? It's like picking picking on. Let's take a break in the news now to throw it to Lindsay roads. Okay. Again, of total access every partier, your everyday duties, right? Lindsay's. It's not like you just walked out on the set at seven pm eastern for PM Pacific and just honk about football for forty two minutes. No, there's a lot of prep now go a Hansen does but Lindsay preps. She gets Hanson. The proper survival is sort of way, so we'll get to that in a second surviving. So in the spirit of that what Lindsay does leading up to every show, part of it is recording pre-taped topical 's primos. They show in other shows that it's like a little fifteen second commercial that really tease. You gets you fired up. Get hit the viewers late Houston watch that show. Oh, man can't wait to watch that show. Ongoing tradition. We give Lindsay some copied reaches not seeing this beforehand, we're going to ask Erica to play the music and Lindsey take it away. Tonight on NFL total accent. How far is too far? Daniel Jones, ramps up efforts through late you I manning on the field and at home we have Omar ease in Green Bay to find out if Aaron Rodgers still respects Matt, leflore after his hoops injury, plus match. Patricia awful chili recipe tonight, seventy stern where my music, go music that was the length. You know, when I read it, it was that long within a professional broadcaster. Reads it, no. You did not read that, that fast I can do right now. Gotcha. Go. Total access. How far Daniels ramps up efforts replace Eli manning on the field. And at home, we have Omar Roy's Green Bay, the find out Barron Roger still respects Matt leflore effort scoops injury. That's a disaster. Dan, that was shorter. It's getting shorter. How long was I feel a lot better because this was appointed contention about my copy, and I were we're out right out of the gate, along was what you just played your seconds that I sent earlier to the same thing. She Erica didn't ask like a low key like I did, exert my last going to do. Thanks for writing forty five second copy for my fifteen. So you portrayal per her Email paper trail. Well, what can you do? Anyway. That's I one well done everybody. That's great. That's great. And at home unnecessary, don't fling. Those Dan, just flung. The never. Piece. No. Because at one point one is going to come in sever my ball because it's going to throw. That's about. When you throw them. Nineteen about some other human, we'll have to alternately pick up Dan's refuse. Well, there's that secondary issue. Yes. Grow up here, we go moving on the news. Mo- Wilkerson your member big. Muhammad wilkerson. Former jets pro bowler got a big contract. Didn't play well didn't work hard. Got cut signed with the Packers got hurt and he has not been able to get a job and it's not going to get easier. He got a DUI in New York City, the twenty twenty nine year old blue point. Oh, nine during a early morning stop. And released on bottle later Saturday. He was actually ranked rank Greg at number eight on your top one hundred agents but the market is not come together. I dunno Wilkerson healthy. But now an off the field incident, not helping things. Well, this will, especially hurt his chances because he was rumored to have a drinking problem. When a member of the jets, I think, was that was pretty much out in the open. And so any chance of him getting back in the league it went down. I would've thought he would have been able to play again. He was playing okay at the beginning of last year before he got hurt. Like I've heard more about the negative stories of Muhammed Wilkerson having nothing to do with his play. Then I've heard about his play its fair. And when you're eight on a list that only consists players without a job. I don't know that, that means like, you know, not an opera yet you anyway, right to, to be out with your adventures on the road. In other news, this is something that we should all be plugging in on a report published by the breakthrough National Center for climate restoration, think-tank in Melbourne, Australia. Describes climate change is a quote near to mid term, existential threat to human, civilization and sets out a plausible scenario where business as usual could lead over the next thirty years, and what's going to happen, the end of civilization, high likelihood of human civilization, coming to an end in twenty fifty who's worried. Who's by it? Well, here's what I'd say, is that what has got us into this situation already probably is irreversible by any habits that we any better habits that we conduct over the next couple of decades, because it doesn't mean like everything's gonna be fine on December China face. That's attitude. They're trying to fight there is like, the, that's essentially, that's much of the opposition's argument is kind of like there's no way to hold on. I use my blue recyclable bin in my at my household. Do you do nice show? What are we going to do that? China's not taking recyclables excessive about from right? So you're not out when people come over to my house and throw away things that are recyclable. Go to the garbage. Don't go through it. But if there's something sitting right on top I will take it out. And I looked at the positive was this guy said forty nine if he was asked to give it percents chance, you know, civilizations starts to crumble by twenty fifty. He said, forty nine percents. That's strong. And it's a better than half that we're in the clear, you know, who else doesn't like those odds Cuyler Murray's attempts to play till his forty thankyou which his career would wrap around although twenty forty three but then his then, suddenly you go into the later stages of life, and it's, it's a wrap within seven years, well, you want to enjoy that retirement civilization is done by fifty then, when is it starting to wipe up like when are we really in crisis mode like Walking Dead without his ambi-, but we don't have civilization anymore. I would say within seven years. We'd start to see fundamental breakdown issues that would be there would still be thirty one years now or seven fifty. I mean, the earth moves that smells pace. It's not like at twenty forty seven things are going to start to tail off. So that would really inhibit his chances of playing to lose forty five largely sucky scenario is for. Everyone involved is not a great not a great situation. Thirty one more years of NHL hockey though, too. Enjoy it does make you think about, well the debate about the eighteen game NFL season doesn't seem as hurt pressing. But that on the back burner. Finally, in the news. Scott Smith of Buchan ears dot com has it. Over the weekend, Bruce Arians bucks coach put some pressure on kicker, Matt gay the rookie who's in a big battle against Cairo Santos, lined up gay for a fifty yard, if he makes it practice ends in our early. Does he misses it everyone hates? That's how you do it Bruce, pushing the right buttons. The rookie drilled in practice over having. Gay santos. The number one camp battle, it's a track. Gay said, does writing that down right now? That's what's happening in the news. Hey, everybody, Father's Day coming up. It's a real thing, every year we all love it, give dad, a gift packed with the Omaha Steaks he craves, and there's a Father's Day steak fix gift package. Two hundred thirty five dollars. Listen to this Lindsay. Okay. Only fifty nine ninety nine order now you'll get to filet Mignon to minions. Oh, maybe it's like what is the plural of on? I think it'd be flaming yawns, but it would be fun if it was one of those where it was. Fillets. Magnon. That's always fun anyway, to top sirloin to pork chops for Omaha Steaks burgers for gourmet jumbo Franks four Chris chicken fried steaks. All beef meatballs four chicken breasts. I'm still going here for caramel. Apple tartlets a packet of Omaha Steaks six off brand seasoning. You got every, it's covered camel in apple and know me. Dessert, and you get extra Omaha Steaks burgers for free. And by the way, that this was sent to us our office today, the vultures got to it before we all saw, so some of these items removed from the box, but I'm taking home a chicken fried steak, Greg. You're taking taking some flays. Yeah. My, my father in law. Said he was going to cook up some steaks on the grill yesterday never happened. But I'm bringing you know. 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All right. Let's move on. Oh before we do that. It's time for another ta topical with Lindsay roads. Now I messed up the time and, and I actually now realize what I did wrong, and it's an interesting kind of human trait reading it just to myself in your mind, much faster. Right. I never took the extra step to read it out loud. I have made a similar mistake. I predict I know I I'm going to do some editing going up next, or is it Mark? Well, I mean, if you're in the middle of an editing process out to go. I'm going to cross out this line right here. Try to get under. And I wish I had. But, you know. Men who said that Erica Lindsay Lindsay. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. Maybe read through once nothing surprises you, but stop it. I didn't get reinforcements hit the music Ricky. NFL total access. Big Ben or big baby. Jane cider, Jason GARRETT'S, new hair color. Reggie Wayne on raising the minimum wage at special in-studio guest that guy for modern family. Kodak says seventy stirred. To hug. It was that was that was good though. Which modify them they always have the guy from I love. Hey, someone for modern family Stonestreet, who's big cheap span, obviously who us talking about, or it could be the dad who's Rams fan, but. Multiple dads on that Chile plead that, like I always see him. I don't go out on dates talking about life anymore. What who he'll Dunphy the dad are we talking about Stonestreet Duffy, how you talking about headstone streets on richeisenshow like once? As governor he is like the main dad on the show, and I've seen him many times downtown Culver city just walking with his family just wanted to point that out. He's Rams fan. I go. Yeah. You have something to talk about next time you encounter him. It's not as real name. All right. That was good. But we still have not hit yet, where the music is sinked up with the Chi. There's a longer out tro where there's definitely a longer. We have thirty second the topical thirty seconds. Penance on that. I think she made out here. This was the plan. No one explored. I know window here, a lane to possibly pin it on our producer. Yeah. I feel like it's a small lane but just you've read these is at some point, you have had one where it was Big Ben or big baby. I bet what are the a little to that? Dealers. Enjoy I enjoyed your copy, which was judgy, but I don't know that we'd go. We'd like couch, it just like after the game or running about the refs or something come on works in that cutline graphically like big baby question my. Well, he's finding all right? We got one more to come a lot of pressure on Mark, actually none. Because you've both utterly fail. Literally be buying. That's a good point. That's a good fine. We'll fill all who is within fifteen seconds. And we're good. All right. Here we go. Let's get to it. Now, talk about under the radar MVP candidates. You know, we all know the names that get thrown out every year that you're drew Brees is. Although he's never won one. Patrick. Mahomes, of course will be a popular pick every year. That guy, it's Ronco way, there's always somebody out there, Greg. I feel like you've done this before this is it Russell Wilson gonna win that trophy. Of course, Tom Brady, who has a whole bunch of them. But one more the big Ben's finally got a win or a guy, I'm down over with that. Although if a good year this year for it to happen because nobody can make the argument it is lady on bell. It's really the reason for success or nobody else has Antonio Brown throat. It's never happened Dicky NICKY, never even come close. Big Ben Brian Bill came close on the Jay Cutler prediction that generated some waves. Big Ben has one team VP award entire career. So, and the, the idea, I was working at peace. You could read it on Tuesday team VP predictions in the AFC. And then on Wednesday NFC team MVP predictions are so deep. It'll be judgy the the column. Just please read it. I'll read it. I'll be sure to do. I mean I'm going to be refreshing my Twitter feed. All right. So what we're going to do is go around the horn, a couple of times here and throw out some candidates, and Greg, I will start with you throw out an under the radar two thousand nineteen VP cadidate well to do this, since now it seems like the NFL and. And the desert as we refer to here getting a little tighter. It's like not as big a thing, I went to, like even look at the odds. So I didn't wanna take anyone in the top ten possible. Names. Can you? Curious as we go along. I'll say what the here's one plus four thousand. I'm just putting the number out there here. We'll get. I don't know what that means. But sounds like a lot. I mean yeah. You put down one hundred you get you get four thousand back for this. We're gonna have to cut all this out. Quarterbacks generally win it but not always occasionally they'll throw running back in the mix. And what running back, I think, is in a better position to sneak up and get an MVP than Alvin Kamara this year. Not a lot of other big time offense of skill weapons on that team not only Mark Ingram gone, but it's basically just like Michael, Thomas and Alvin Kamara and he does things that other players, just don't. And I think he is set up for a twenty two thousand yards from scrimmage type of season, where he catches a ton of passes. He scores a ton of touchdowns. You look at the saints and on paper, they kinda look like the best team in the NFL go into the year and jer breezes know. You know, he'll certainly be in the mix. If they're if they have that good of a record. But if we're looking for under the radar, and like something that might be a little more surprising. I could. Absolutely see Alvin Kamara in his third season league kinda putting it all together and having his career I just think they wouldn't give it to him over breeze. Like if the saints are in that position, I think you got to be in a spot like the other running back out of one where Shaun Alexander or ladainian Tomlinson, you score. A lot of touchdowns. You put up a lot of yards. Everyone can see that it's not necessarily drew Brees is best season. The defense is really good. So predicting it's not gonna be drew Brees by this scenario. Yeah. I mean if breeze puts up a slightly worse season than he did a year ago, and it's their defense that keeps getting better, and it's chimera in the running game I can see a scenario where the one seed in chimera and. Yeah. Lindsay's point if breeze puts up Representative season I think he would get the nod a lot. Narrative driven well, in theory, be the final year of drew Brees. They there was a big push for that to happen last year. Right. Doing roughly seven billion videos, but it ends in the end and drew Brees. He didn't. But if he did a nother drew Brees ish type year where he isn't noticeably falling off the cliff that big. It's tough breeze. Alvin Kamara to me is, is such a unique almost singular type of player that he at this point to me has a better chance of putting together an absolutely bonkers year that blows your mind than Jubran does actually, I think breeze would have gotten last year if Mahomes wasn't so great. Yeah. He just couldn't be denied. It was five thousand yards fifty touchdowns, basically was the most exciting player in football so Brees how to take the back seat, but I'm gonna bring up another third year running back about that. A guy that also came very close to two thousand yards from scrimmage. And also came about one hundred and twenty yards believe from being the third player ever running back ever to have one thousand yards rushing, and one thousand yards receiving, I know where you're going, the poor man's Kamera. Oh, that's one. That's one way to put it Christian McCaffrey. You call him the poor man's Kamera. How dare you this kid is after a nice rookie season Carolina, but maybe some a little bit. Underwhelming as a rusher. I think last year, he kind of absolutely justified why Carolina used the top ten pick on a running back and I think things are kind of lined up for this guy to even take his game up to the next level. When you think about Cam Newton and where he's at physically. Now coming back from the second shoulder surgery. He's thirty years old, that entire organization is all about. How do we get cabinet Newton through season healthier? And you know what that means Cam Newton's? Gonna be diving over the goal line anymore. He's going to be absolutely running less. We saw that last year when McCaffrey became kind of their goal line guy. So you're gonna he's gonna be a touch monster. We know that McCaffrey, both as receiver and Russia, but he's also going to be their goal line guy. And I think Carolina's gonna be a good team this year. I think they're going to be in the mic. So they won't be an also ran like they turned into last year of Cam could say healthy. So for all those reasons, I think, McCaffrey, who I guess, some people call a poor man, something. I've Levy is a superstar. And in his third year is primed for maybe have his best season. I like it because I mean under the radar has to this exercise has to happen, acknowledging that the way this voting process works makes running backs extremely unlikely unless they have one of these absolutely blow your mind seasons. But I feel like for McCaffrey to win because you're gonna be battling guys like sikwan barklay and fill in the blank to that your number's going to be so huge. And you're going to have to have single handedly won four or five key games for them, and they need to go like thirteen and three which that's all possible. But I just. Lawson a mix that well that was a tenant six biking. See, I don't think the team needs to be a total monster force, but he has to be clearly like with Brees and Camara has to be the guy that scene is the engine driving the ship than that it has to be almost like historic if it's right if it's ten when team may went into the season saying they thought they wanted to take the load off them a little bit. But then they did absolutely nothing to get. Someone really capable of taking that led up. So he'll get a lot of carries. I worry more about him than chimera in terms of total touch it like chimeras a little thicker, two hundred and fifteen. Like see McCaffrey. That's true. He. Well, he's looking like us on Jordan's season. Melvin Gordon has the best shot of the running backs for the reason. So be the same reason that I think of an that's not my answer, by the way. But so I get marxists. Always it. No, I'll shift gears. No, no, no. No go gaff Melvin. No. It was not this rush territory. Your good joke on. All right. Can stay in your lane. I mean because he doesn't have a quarterback who is going to demand the votes. Right. So if the chargers are, that are really good team this year, which I think a lot of people expect them to be then it kind of is going to run through Melvin. He's going to be a big part of the reason why. And then Philip, he's always good. And he'll be a part of it. But I don't think that people he's not slotted in that, like, well, if they're really good, we have to vote for Philip, I think people will think that the difference maker there is Melvin because Philip's always been there. And he's always been good. And they still haven't gone anywhere. So, well, who are your what is your? Is your choice? So I, I'm wondering how darkhorse we're going to need to be because I'm not like you. It's not going to be a running back because they're never any running back. So I like the dark horse factor. But I don't think it's going to be it's going to be that. So going quarterback. Like Andrew luck is not darkhorse right to take him off the okay. So then we're going like, really dark horse. I'm gonna throw Derek Carr out there. And here's what I'm gonna do it because we've seen him have an MVP caliber season before, so we know that he can do it. It's not a total like shot in the dark. And now you have these offense of weapons that are playing with him. You put some weapons in front of him on the offense of line. I think that offense could look incredibly different ways that we can't even really fathom right now because they were so bad last year. Derek Carr was a check down king last season. But he didn't have any weapons that could really stretch the field. PF just put out some numbers in the last couple of days, has he's their number one rated deep ball efficiency passer in the league part of that probably is because he didn't go. Downfield very much. And so maybe that could be a knock against him. But he had like a fifty two percent completion percentage on de passes. So he can do that. And he certainly has the weapons to do that with IRA Williams. Antonio Brown and now you have Josh Jacobs in the backfield keeping defense's honest, and you could see a major turnaround fits the Bill for door course because he's rating is a little low right now. I feel like he's been through super rough two years. But in two thousand sixteen everyone felt very different much differently about him before he got hurt. He got some got him, literal MVP votes. So the fact that he is now right now, plus ten thousand that around which is the same, which is basically, what they give to someone that has almost no shot Joe flacco. Is there James Connor Cuyler Murray, Leonard for net Josh Allens? He's drive east Lindsey deep drive. East is what else I truly believe it, it's a team award partly, so they will have to win some games for that to happen. I ten as. We've learned with sounds about right? Oh but for quarterback you're right. He's gonna have to win more than that. And you are forever tied to Derek Carr in this podcast is as the woman who brokered the peace. Of course. Welcome between Greg, and I and Derrick unbe unblocked us. There is a pro football talk put out a write up the slow part of the season. Football calendar did a whole article about how they were blocked by Derrick car, or maybe it was a tweet. Maybe I don't know if all know that. Pro football talks. They're not articles so much as far as that as a complaints on Twitter. So Derek is still blocking away, but it lasts checked versa. We're safe. And that's when somebody on the show is saying MVP for Derek Carr that only looks good. Well, I mean, that would be that is a dark horse, but to your point, Mark, yeah, it wasn't that long ago. It's always dangerous to play the it wasn't that long ago game especially in the NFL but he was before he broke his ankle. He was playing at a high level. Now he has arguably the best wide receiver and football and his team. Why couldn't he get back to heights, throwing out there sessile? I you know you have to go back to nineteen Eighty-six for defensive player to have won at Lawrence, Taylor. And yet, I would argue that it's concerning that, that JJ watt, for instance, his absolute peak didn't pull one of these awards because it's clear to me that defensive player. Of the year is essentially just what they're calling and VP on defense in. It's the same thing, it's like we have gone, thirty something years since defensive player. So I was coming up with someone that maybe pull it off and needs to be for me a team or a player that would generate an intense amount of sacks. It would be like a record setting type year on a great defense on a team that could have the best record and they of see. And so I went with Joey Bosa and you need him to stay healthy. That's a concern, but it does seem like a guy because I loved it. They got Jerry Tillery to kind of clog up the middle. And you still have Melvin Ingram. You've got there's reason to believe the Bosa will be not getting triple teamed as much he'll the chance to have a big year if he stays healthy puts up a insane amount of sacks. And then there's needs to be because it's all narrative-driven this midseason sort of ground swell for why haven't we picked defensive player in so long isn't something wrong with our system, not defensive players in the league. And then. Bang Bosa gets picked that and you look back on this early June episode and say, how did he know ahead of time, six months ago that this would happen episode over? Well, I think honestly I you're right eighty six that's like forever ago. I think you need like twenty five sacks to win the MVP probably like not even break the record like shatter the record. I think that's probably what he'd have to do. And it's a tall. All right. I think what seasons in one of them was against Aaron Rodgers best season. So that was the Cam Newton had a timing, but that season whereas versus Cam like those are the best defensive seasons possible, Aaron Donald, really. If you look, at least it's the pressures and stuff would be up there, and he really hasn't gotten much attention. So it's gonna be tough. Joey Bosa got. He's just gotta stay healthy airy east might three years right now. He has one really healthier out of those three Aaron's best shot would be this year. If girly doesn't pan out the offense, somehow still works, although no. Because then if the offense works without girly than people, it'll be because Goth is good. So. Game winning plays for defensive player, even though a lot of that it would be unluck is, is how you do it like Paula Malo like where you say had read where you make three play at the end of a game to win a game that what about Khalil Mack? Because Cleal MAC has the potential to make those plays in that type of environment on a team that really doesn't have any other superstars so early. See it again about defense. Right. Like if you think if you look at October last year is someone that you would have had to say has a chance, if he continues to end it is calming having those great games, L Michaels and Chris Collins there in the building, when you have those games and it becomes the big story on Monday. All that stuff. Like you're saying, Mark with a narrative it's built into it's a storyline award as much as it is production. Let's go one more time around the horn. A little quicker, a little speed round. We'll go already with you, Greg. All right. We'll go with Shawn Watson who I think is someone who can make. Enough. Absolutely incredible play's who obviously is just putting the team on his back in a way that the MVP voters love that. It's not about almost anyone else. It's just about the Shawn Watson, like making extraordinary place. I like if I was trying to take a real long shot at quarterback, he would be my pick that was my choice as well for everything you just said, and also just the idea that he kind of been a little bit overlooked in the conversation of the best young quarterbacks and football and he shouldn't be with that awful offense of line where he got sex, sixty two times knocked down one hundred thirty two times he's still accounted for thirty one of their thirty eight touchdowns. Watson is a stud, and if that offense of light of the upgrades take he will get a lot better. And those numbers could reflect an MVP type campaign. What about you Lindsay? This is not what I believe will happen. But I'm just gonna throw darkhorse option. Because when you look at the teams that are it has to be team that's positioned to do. Well, if the team does, well, it will likely be. Because this person is playing while I'm going to go Lamar Jackson, just because if he takes step from one to if he fixes some of what if you're it'd be flaws in the passing game, but he still has that run game a ability, which, obviously, he will than and if the ravens are good next year, which I think that, you know, they're taking a hit in terms of expectations. Everybody's talking about the Browns. So people will be more surprised that they're good. And then they'll be more likely to reward the reason why. So I think maybe all like you Cam when he won that year kind of from an expectation standpoint and just kinda come out of maybe, maybe Lamar he's probably not going to put up like numbers that normally net an MVP. I was surprised that quarterback surprised looking at the. That he actually has better odds than Derek Carr. A he, he was not that low enlists he was right in the same ballpark of Shawn Watson finally close us out Mark, this is one where I don't, I'm not gonna go bet the house that I don't even own on this, but Kyla Murray and let me throw it out to you. I think it doesn't need cardinals to go thirteen and three because I think it's going to be an offense that from wire-to-wire gets a ton of attention. And for good reason, I think they're going to be they went it helps to gone from being one of the most boring teams to watch in our human lifetime, to what will be potentially a fascinating human attack. And Kyle Murray goes out and does things that we haven't seen a quarterback do. And if he succeeds, he plays some wire-to-wire throws a ton of touchdowns and they light it up and maybe knock out a few heavy hitters down the stretch and play that sort of beserk role that Knox. Team like the Packers out of the playoffs or something late and Kyla Murray is sort of doing it week to week then it is, he becomes the guy that suddenly is even more exciting than Patrick Mahomes from a perception angle, and you get voters start voting for that kind of thing longshot. Yes. That would be outrageous, if he stepped into the league and was dominant and they'd still probably have to win. I think they go. Let's say they were like a sexy nine and seven where inter like you can just say the whole organization has been totally changed by coach and quarter. Min I love to know the last time there was an MVP if there ever was where the team that make the playoffs Peterson do that. They just barely got in the well, that's why it's so narrative driven though, it's, it's I don't know if it's very Sanders one in ninety seven along with Brett farve. I don't know what they did that you're. Good, good stuff. We got another one. Another topical. Mark Senate done on a lot of stress around this product and my supposed to read that part. Yeah. The whole thing. Okay. Got it. All right. You ready to long Ricky you have one, too, right? Yeah. Just whipped on. Okay. Ricky whipped up his wealth. It's kind of timed out perfectly from the producer. We'll see about that. Well, she's a professional out loud. She has not even been listening to the shows that wouldn't be new. All right. Here we go, Lindsey roads. Take it away. NFL total access. Oh del what's next for the Browns after Odell Beckham was kidnapped by an angry band of female 'cause players dressed up as Velma from Scooby doo. Run out already. Okay. And is it caused players? I've always wondered how you pronounce that. I think you nailed that, okay? She's still got half version of it does start asong again, 'cause it fades out in the real three or four, I was saying earlier response reports Sam darnold has been bought since age seventeen where some media blonde wig made from the preserve Tara Georgia frontier. Seventy stern. Sam darnold hair is real, and it is magnificent. That's what you think. All right here comes outta Erica. Should be. Oh, wait. Yeah, no del ARCO who totally is gas letting us right now. Okay. Here we go by cutting down very of the bed music now will attempt to nail it Lindsey take it away. NFL total access interviews with pre podcast bozos, who talked too much, and football stuff you actually care about tonight, seven eastern. Well well way to go you're the best you've done it again. You win. I didn't see that coming. I thought is gonna be so nice. Hurts my podcast bozos, who talk too much also went west once again left out of the mix and some stuff you actually care about. I like. I like you know. Erika's fairplay fairplay, Lindsey, let me what can be said you came in, and you set it all you, you've done it again and let it, let it be known to the audience that. Lindsay did it all with not a single paper in front of her because there's no teleprompter either. You know, I mean there are a lot of really heavily detailed arguments that were made I was like, no, that's stupid. I mean you check my. When you're doing it truly before NFL towed, Alexis, you're on the air in about this is true, two hours in less than hours from now hour and fifty minutes. Follow linzie appreciate nerves, you know, right now. The only nerve you are. I'm refreshing constantly to see if Gerald McCoy signed, because we would love to have that top story for because it's June. You still feel like a little bit of juice in the moments before the show starts, right? You don't wanna be totally dead inside to that, right? I wouldn't describe myself as dead inside in that moment. But I don't know that I have nerves anymore before total access. And yes, you sort of forget that people are actually watching, because there's about the same like fifteen people, onset everyday so just sort of feels like you're having just like we're just like a family just together show and anybody else sees. It's like you're looking at side, the window of our living room type of. Total access Monday to Friday seven pm eastern on NFL network and follow Lindsey, she's a good following the old social media. Well. See your when she, like once every two weeks underscore roads and thank you. Thanks, guys, come back anytime we love you. All right. That's it. We'll be back Wednesday. So. Well, usually say at the end of this. So, Dan has a signing off for quite storm Lindsey roads. You'll Dawson rookie Hollywood buying the glass when will we be back, Larry said it tell Wednesday.
Odell belongs, Underdog Packers?, Wentz motivation
"They are brought to open a first things first some general hall of fame Chris Carter this right here is nick ride somehow some way we made it to Friday and we have a fantastic show for you today because football football is in full effect training camps all over Aaron Rodgers thinks is packers are being overlooked Baker Mayfield and OBI J. or already looking pretty good together in Cleveland. Wait till you see some of the action from yesterday. Excitement I mean is building for the start of football in Green Bay is season. Aaron Rodgers is healthy and motivated packers avenue head coach and Matt Leflore and after two days of training camp there seemingly no tension yet between the two Aaron says why should there be the relationship is growing in the two friends however he says adjusting to a new coach. We'll take some time a lot of times. When you have a coaching change you have to go through the the struggles of learning and starting over almost but I think what Brian has done with our our roster and the guys that we have coming back? I think we have a chance to compete and again. We're in a good spot too because nobody's talking about us. You know some of the the most dangerous teams I thought from our years or when everybody's talking about every other team out there except for us and we can kind of commodore own pace and surprise people in the beginning Chris when you look at what the packers have when you look at the coach and you look at the quarterback and then you see how they're going to fill in all the pieces. What do you think the biggest key to success for? Both the quarterback in the coach will be this season well. I address Aaron what he's saying. The reason why people aren't talking about them the way they are some other teams is because he's been hurt and with him being hurt. They are not a playoff team they. They are an afterthought in the N._F._l.. Under the previous regime because they didn't have a defense it was capable of stopping a nose bleed and they didn't have an offense that was capable of doing anything without Aaron Rodgers playing spectacularly so oh Aaron you've got to take some of that blame yourself being nicked up the last two seasons. That's the reason why now the excitement should be. They've changed their defensive personnel. They've changed from a forty three to thirty four. You can believe they're going to be more physical. They're gonNA get after the quarterback. They got tremendous amount of draft capital invest in their secondary which I believe is going to surprise some people so it's a different green bay team. They're gonNA play a different style. They're going to be a little more rugged so they can win. Games not just Aaron Rodgers making comebacks throwing hail Marys late in Games. They have a various they have other pitches they can throw and I believe from an offense standpoint. They're going to try to get some type of running game to support Aaron Rodgers which they've never done on a consistent basis so those are the things I'll be looking at when I'm watching the packers when they surprise because that defense should be a lot better than has been and it will be a lot more physical the overall attitude that they're putting out there. I believe that's what people will see. We've talked about the off-season that for the packers to get back to where a lot of you think they should be every year which is super bowl contender. They are going to have to have a much better defense than they've had the last few years but to Chris's point they are not in the game without Aaron Rodgers being great and the last year Aaron Rodgers was great was twenty sixteen. He individually is not had by his standard to really by today's quarterbacking standard take great season since two thousand sixteen not coincidentally that's last year healthy in twenty seventeen. They were foreign one going into that Minnesota game and on the first offense of drive of the Game Anthony Barr falls on POPs his collarbone and that season is over it was a rap from that moment forward last year and this was underrated during the season. He suffered a knee injury in the first game of the year against Chicago. I thought he was done for the season when he got injured he. It looked like he thought he has done for at least a couple months when he was going off the field so just despondent and upset now he came back they win the game handled great. They win the game against Chicago and I think that made people building Oh. He must be fine. We saw in his play over the next couple months. He wasn't fine. He couldn't role to one direction. I don't remember which it was part of. His greatness has been as ability to roll out of the pocket and make plays on the run that was totally totally removed from his game he all of a sudden threw the ball way more than any quarterback in football because he was not able to escape and they had a bad season so the first key is Aaron Rodgers staying healthy like that gets them in the game now to win the game. Game is the defense. is them having a better running game and I. It's really interesting this year. See you've talked about it for. I feel like eight months. It's the N._F._L.'s one hundred season. They are starting their hundred season with not the Super Bowl Champs put the oldest rivalry green bay against to Chicago the team they started with last year where Aaron got hurt. This will be on Thursday night. Football like it's an opportunity to start fresh new head coach knew everything but his ability to play not just all sixteen osteen but a healthy sixteen is the most important part for their seasons last two years it has not happened and that's why they've been out of the playoffs the last two so if he's healthy and they've short up this team is as best they can before the season starts than the big question that the media is going to be hounding everybody on the relationship between Aaron Rodgers and obviously met Leflore Matt Leflore came out yesterday said the last thing we ever want to do send a quarterback out there who is uncomfortable with what they're doing. Is that leflore maybe deferring a a little bit Aaron Rodgers Saint Okay. We had a lot of off season stuff but when it actually get started I know what you're doing. Is that is that it was sort of respect move on his part. Because how important is that relationship going to be to their success. LEFLORE has enough confidence in itself and the reason why the front office hired him because they thought he can hear an ear handle Aaron Rodgers. He's talking about just like he would talk to any other quarterback. Even if you had a rookie quarterback he would be telling us it is not in our best interest to send a quarterback out there with things he's not comfortable with. That's his job to get to quarterback comfortable with the things that they like not the things that just he likes not the things the coordinator lights but a combination a collaboration. That's the best offenses in the league. The quarterback Dir personnel being considered later in the coaches coming up with the plan and I believe that Matt will do this a little side note Aaron said in their Matt Ni- our friend I was I played a long time and lead. I wouldn't friends with known the coaches now my my teammates in in Minnesota used to tease me and say that I was dating Ryan Ryan Son Danny Green Son and in Buddy Ryan we had in Philadelphia. There was a group of guys that they were buddies. Guys and I was one of those guys is but you see cut me one of the guys who still get cut so but I've never been friends none of the coaches. I'm talking to even guys who had played with once. They went over to coaches. I wouldn't friends with them. It's just an interesting choice. Ah Words Aaron sit me in Matt. I are free. I think it's more than interesting and I think I'm glad you keyed you because it keeps me as well to me it it. It isn't a beneficial position and to be able to say I'm friends with my boss. It's to me a bit of a power move in a way that like hey we're going to talk to each other not like boss subordinate but like France and how to France talk they don't take orders they discuss things and we'll end so I think Aaron while I I'm not trying to read too much into it. I found it interesting as well that Aaron saying listen Matenaer friends and so we'll be able to go through these types of things I don't necessarily bad but I also think when it's a rookie head coach and a young head coach and your Erin bleeping Rogers it is yeah we're buddies and so yeah like buddies to 'cause you're concerned with the packers is the floor is assistant. He knows that is a system very different from from what ahrends used to doing pre-snap used to doing throughout his career. It seems to have control wants control at the line and that sort of pets ways any probably should have a lot of control of the line but when when you phrase it as hey this is my friend we'll discuss it. It might have some of the agency from the head coach in that regard. I used to have a wide receiver coach and I used to run around a certain way and then the guy behind me with no experience young guy. He tried to run the route the same way coach when I'm correct them said don't rent that when he said well I was watching Chris and that's crazy. Chris can do that. He can do it in pressure. He can do it on the road. He can do it clockwork. He said you won't do that against bump and run. You won't build a break that angle like that and the reason why coach let me do it. That way. Compared everyone else was I was the only one who could do that. When you get someone like Aaron Rodgers you have a certain set of rules principalities? These are the things were set on and then you see guy do something. That's a coach's job. The kids job is to get the coach attention and do something he's never seen then the coach's job to get that player back in that same situation to repeat that harness and that's what they will do. They will collaborate on this. It doesn't make sense to have someone like Aaron Rodgers and think you can call a better airplay in your headset on the sideline then Aaron Rodgers with all the experience he should have the same latitudes the best players in this game have to build change to play and get into an instant compared to going on the sideline looking at the computers and everything and making adjustments all right. We'll have to see this on plays out so let's take a break head to another team. After this coming up. Are The steelers making mistake committing to Mike Tomlin longterm not many Tim long-term. That's things I not only did the Boston Boston Celtics win the N._B._A.. 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He's a good joke for friend of the show Jay Gruden. It's a good job but the to into the matter. It's not josh norm no because Josh will come up in tackle you yeah he is one of the better tackling corners and we'll force you to fumble the ball always around that he's not to continue the analogy is not an ole corner. He will actually go and get in your face absolutely Jay groome in his seats awful hot right now J. Rooney he needs a good season either from Haskins. JAAS guide case keenum somebody whoever starting quarterback there and Josh <unk> needs worry about his left off tackle stores start your morning big news editor Dallas Ezekiel Elliott did not board the team plane to training camp yesterday he does have until this morning to report before officially becoming a hold out nick. How do you expect this to play <music> out? There's a really tough one. I think the smartest move would be Zeke to take curses advice which is to show what but let them know him not playing in the preseason games if I had to make a prediction it's that Zeke won't be there today. I don't know if reading along gated hold old out but he knows he's got jump a couple people in the line to get paid Dak Inamori or next on their list. He wants to be next on their list. This could be tough for Dallas with their best arguably most important player well. He's their best player. Now is either number one one priority and Jerry Jones Stephen Jones. They're going to have to let Zach not because man I wouldn't play this year. If I was given the other money they have to dole out I I wouldn't play. I go to training camp. Let them know I'm not playing. They give me give quarterback twenty five million. I'm a lot buried him. They give me give Amari Cooper fifteen to eighteen million. I'm better than him. Yeah dumped the line but there's a reason why because I'm the most talented guy you got here. I am your quarterback. You'll have no season without me if I give her. You'll see we talk about Aaron Rodgers by get hurt. I'm your Rogers. Here are season's over with that. I would hold firm today. I'm moving onto the Cleveland browns. They opened up camp. Yesterday just came out. They'll loved every second of his shines. Making some signature chair spectacular catches Peckham said quote. I feel like I belong say. Was this a precursor of what's to come. Oh no this is going to be exciting. This is not hype here. We got one of the most talented young quarterbacks in Baker Mayfield and we got already a season under his belt is not as if he just got drafted like cuyler all this mystery no Baker Mayfield is here to stay in Odell. Beckham is one of the most exciting receivers that we have in the league. I given everything else they have on that offense. It's it's going to be excited. They should be a top five offense if they're not a lot of things have gone wrong. The browns I predict or you're going to join the Patriots and the cowboys as one of the three most disgust teams in football because they're going to be really good and they're going to be really interesting because uh-huh Dell. I say this an unfriendly. He's a little crazy bakers a little different they got enormous personalities enormous expectations first time in forever in Cleveland and I think they're going to have a lot of really cool highlights like this one. I think we've talked about the Cleveland browns almost everyday this season I moving on to Arizona now. First overall pick cuyler Murray started his first training camp yesterday Garner's putting all their stock in Murray after trading away last year's first round pick and Josh Rosen Murray. Sorry said it's his job to make people believe in the cardinals new offense nickel tyler success from the start in this league Jimmy very very difficult given the talent. That's around him that the offensive line that was the foreign away the worst football last last year. I am rooting for him and one thing I do think he is working in his favor man. I don't think anyone has said cuyler Murray's name outside of the State of Arizona in the last three months he went number-one pick of the draft. We talked about all leading up to the draft and now not a lot of noise not a lot of hype. Hype and not I feel like that helps him as he tries to do something no one's ever done which is a star quarterback at that size in this league. It'd get quiet until those first preseason games. There's a number of problems offense has had passed protection air rate was not very good as far as getting guys into space when they take away your main receiver they weren't very good at that so not only cuyler but cliff Kingsbury they will be under the microscope. Come Week number one in the preseason season because I believe N._F._l.. Teams they going him early not typically what they do in the preseason but they're going to blitzer young quarterback I finally New Orleans Wider Saver Michael. Thomas did not report to training camp yesterday. He and the Saints Aren in contract negotiations but have not agreed to terms yet. See you surprise Thomas wasn't at Camp. No I'm not surprised the saints only have a little bit of money and they've had issues with players in the past wide receiver they decided sided instead of extending Michael Thomas Brandin cooks to training they trade him away. He was the best perceive and he was the first round pick you would think Sean Payton would built he was going to build on that because drew was going to play drew. They weren't just up and given drew money. Drew had some issues as far as getting paid there and Mike Autonomous says the second rounder he has outperformed that contract. There's no way that he should be there. I believe it was asking prices about eighteen to twenty million dollars and I believe that this might take a long time for them to come up with that type of cheese. Listen this is the most reasonable and rational hold out anyone could possibly have this is a player who was not taken in the first first round has made in his career. A total of four million dollars is scheduled to make one million dollars. This year who is three years in the N._F._l.. Has Gone Ninety two for eleven hundred one hundred four for twelve fifty hundred twenty-five for fourteen eighteen hundred while scoring twenty three touchdowns he has been extraordinary. He has been available. He's been low maintenance. He's been in the enormous part of the Saint Success the last two seasons and he's never been paid accordingly so you would be paying for not only past performance but a player who is only gotten better each year and you assume excellent future performance. He doesn't have a fit because he's not a first round. Pick also mind no fifth year option on his deal so this is the last year of his contract. He doesn't get a new deal now they they could potentially franchise tag him so I totally bored almost all players and getting their money but this one also makes a ton of sense. It's not a Melvin Gordon situation where you're like. Are you biting off a little more than you can chew year now. He has been great and he's never been in paid. He's never been one of the top seventy five highest paid receivers in the league. Even the last couple years he's been arguably a top five receiver and we think he's GonNa get paid. This is probably going to work itself out assuming he does get paid and he does rejoin team. Do you think this is the saints team that can finally finally break through this year and win the Super Bowl. I mean the last two years they were good enough to win. They had to Miracle Minneapolis. We had the bad call last year. They're playing at home. Sean Payton. I believe is still underrated as a coach drew brees still haven't won M._v._p.. Has won the Super Bowl would like to build get another one as he approaches retirement. This is a good good football team that defensively last couple years they've gotten better they are definitely a suppo content and they spent remember they traded didn't extra first round pick to move up in the draft to get a pass rusher. That's a win right now move when they did that. People thought during the draft I remember Oh. The only way you trade to first round picks is to go get a quarterback. No they want to win right now out. They don't have the reason Thomas is so important to your question. Yes I think fully Lt Saints Team is one of the four best teams in football in my mind without question but they don't have an abundance of playmakers they lost Mark Ingram so they're gonna be Lino and Alvin Kamara more chimeras moorer's an excellent dual threat running back and Michael Thomas we've talked about it's an excellent wide receiver but without him all of a sudden it's like wait Ted gain in what does this year fifteen for Ted Ginn. It feels like Trade Kwame Smith like all of a sudden the punch from that offense is removed so yes they absolutely could win the super bowl this year if they get Michael Thomas in the fold if they don't teams will focus on stopping Chimera and dare the other guys to beat them. He's wildly important another reason to hold out makes and Michael Thomas. Thomas appreciates his development there. He's got a great receiver coach. It's got a great head coach Sean Payton and that system fits him. They move him all around they put him in the slot. They weren't all different types of combination to be able to get him open so he's not a system player but that's system fits perfectly all right. Let's move onto the Pittsburgh steelers. Now they extended head coach. Mike Tomlin's contract one season keeping in through twenty twenty one that team looking for a little stability after a tough year in which they not only missed the playoffs offs for the first time since two thousand thirteen they lost both Antonio Brown and Lithium Bell Two of the best offense of weapons in Football Tomlin entering his thirteenth season with Pittsburgh. He's reached the playoffs eight times in that span. See what's your reaction reaction to the one year extension at Tomlin got. I couldn't understand the one year extension when they went out and signed been to an extension Tomlin to an extent we had the question with men. This has been rothlisburger team with organization. Let you know this organization. It's still Mike Tomlin and Ben Rothlisberger so the Voice of Mike Tomlin should be just as loud and just of effective or more effective than it's been the last couple years because his message to me was damaged going to the players based on the behavior of some of the star players because if you're a star you undermine the coach every time you do something Biz a distraction because the coaches warned us. Mike Tomlin lays out maps it out week after week day after day. How guys should act how to be a good teammate? He may be a good player in this league. How how how <hes> have longevity in this league and we have seen countless number of times the Pittsburgh steelers from a variety of different sources that undermines the coaches authority and now this off season they gave been the extension that he wanted traded off to the raiders? Allow L. Bill to leave and free agency there with the jets so now the leaders of this team are been and Mike Tomlin into me. This just gives Mike Tomlin. He's he can can have that strong voice that he's had in that locker room because he's got several years guaranteed into players in lock ruin. The coach is in that lame duck status guy start making professional decision and they start saying is he doing what's best vote for my career or is he doing what's best for here's career career and they begin to question and general before the show we talked you were a little curious about why only one year extension and I think the steelers trying to thread the needle here. They didn't have have to give me an extension because he wouldn't have been a lame duck yet he had two years left on his deal so they give him the security of the extra year it also lines up conveniently with the expiration of Ben Rothlisberger contract. They now have the coach and the quarterback under contract for the next three years but it's also it's not a to it does it doesn't add two or three years to his contract because even though the steelers have been more stable at coach than any team in sports history knoll cower Tomlin that covers what fifty five years of steelers dealer coaches since nineteen sixty nine right so I mean they have been as consistent that spot as any team we've ever seen. They also saw what just happened in Green Bay which is Mike McCarthy. A guy who has almost identical resume tomato Tomlin Tomlin has been to one more soup but they both one one they McCarthy Thirteen Years Hundred twenty-five Wins Nine playoff appearances Tomlin twelve years hundred twenty-five ones eight playoff appearances but they had back to back down years in Green Bay and they decided to move on last year was down here by the Pittsburgh steelers standards. Even though they won the they had a winning record. He missed the plan for the first time in five years. I don't think I think Tomlin can survive a bad year this year. I'd only survive a couple of them and so oh he now has the security where they don't have to worry about a contract extension after next season. There's a big year for him and for Ben to see if there's going to be a third act to Ben Rothlisberger 's career on the back end similar the way there's been one for Brady and breeze and we think there will be one for Philip Rivers C._C.. How important is it for for a veteran player? Guy Like Ben Rothlisberger to have at least some stability at head coach especially when he went knee lost two guys on his offense. Would that have been something to things things. Were going on with you and Randy. Would you have wanted any green to still be there. Does that affect a veteran player in any way. There's no doubt I mean the system. You're so familiar with it the the things that the coach has allowed you to do so. You don't have to learn earn a new system. You don't have to learn his way. I knew Danny Green. If even if I was running a little bit late to me now is always the last person to me in dinnie would always check my seat before he would start and it wasn't it. I was running late. I was stay in the locker ACA room to make sure the guys weren't late because I know dinning if he sees me in their he'll start. Why would I want to start all over again? All these new things that I had to learn I remember my buddy <hes> Troy Vincent he was there to first day. Jimmy Johnson took over with the dolphins and he happened to be running on time. Troy called Jimmy Johnson shut the door on they started meeting. Joy was outside and everything and I gotta learn this new Jimmy Johnson way now. They weren't going to cut him in everything but there's a lot of little things that the coaches have in their system and once you know those is a veteran player trying to learn a new coach trying to learn a new system to approve in winter. Mike Tomlin is a rare every one of five twelve scenes in N._F._l.. Never had a losing or we're going into our hundred season. One Five I would say is pretty good. Mike Tomlin has been a good football coach but the optics the last two years do not fit his brand in your your face a disciplinarian tough defense. That's what they need to get back to and that's what I believe. They're gonNA try to your last season in Minnesota was that Denny's last year or he coached one year. After you know that was that was it and I you and I in this. This is no disrespect to the coach who took over for Danny Green but I you were still under contract. You I think was six million dollars. You could've made if you would have come back another year and I. I wonder if Dinnie Green would have been there longer. If you would have said okay you can hold out one more season or the change at the coaching position was one of the things it's like what has changed everything okay. I didn't want to speak for you and they would and so four big Ben we. We've heard a lot of conflict with Big Ben in this team. We haven't heard much of been Tomlin. Rancher Tomlin gets annoyed a little bit the radio soften and coaches you work together long. Things people do that annoy you but they seem to have a really good working relationship. I'm sure Ben is happy to know that his coach is under contract contract for as long as you guys would love Mike. Tom Would love playing for him but just over the last couple years. The personalities have gotten so strong that Mike Tomlin has taken a hit. He is a good football coach. He knows his XS Susan Os and he's great with the guys on the one one treating them different. You know so Mike Tomlin last couple of years. He's gotten a batteries a better football coach than what they've the product that they put on the field all right. Let's take a break coming up for couldn't Ezekiel Elliott holdout derail all the cowboys season. That's still ahead on first things first back here. First Things First Linebacker Bart Scott joins the conversation. He's ready to earn dream in what up man what to do. Don't worry look black man lotion in summer. No Mix listen man. I'm not worried about how you can come into ruin. The show we don't Ruin Jena's vocabulary by reaching all these little things. That's going to get very no no no zip it there. You go listen. I know you there. Let's talk tutorial. Let's talk about Arizona cardinals part first overall pick Kyla Murray starting his first training camp yesterday cuyler a new coach Cliff Kingsbury. We'll try bring a new look. Hi Fly offense to the League Murray was asked about this new offense and why he thinks it'll work in the N._F._l.. I don't see why everybody thinks it can't be successful. It's just like any other offense. It's an office. You know we work at it. We practice. It and it's all job to execute. If we don't then won't be successful but if we do like I said I mean I feel like I worked at the college level. I don't see why couldn't work at the pro level so as our job. Can you believe in it you trust the Cuyler kingsborough be successful in the N._F._l.. I think they'll be successful. Initially I want to see how they adjusted. Adjustment we saw when Lamar Jackson last year coming out and taking the League by storm before the chargers came out and put the more athletic pieces out there. I'm I'm excited because he's a little different. Than what Lamar Jackson is. You talk about in college over sixty nine percent completion rate only seven interceptions you know that he can make great decisions with the ball aw and unlike R._G.. Three and Lamar Jackson he's not so skinny and thinned out. I worry about him taking Har- contact even though he's you know he's only two hundred five pounds. That's pretty big big Darren sproles than somebody. That's accustomed awesome taking hit so I don't worry about his health but I WANNA see. How can he adjusted adjustment? You know he's a guy I think gets mislabeled at times. I understand that you have trouble protecting the passer but when you have the R._P._O.. Type System. That's a way to really call off Paul's between the defensive end in pass rushers to buy yourself more time when you don't have a great offense line so I don't think people worry about his his thickness if you will I think they believe he can. He is positioned to be able the handle the general punishment of the N._F._l.. Worry is his height and the worry is his height combined with an offense that has been very successful to collegiate level but we've never seen trite what cliff kingsbury is going to try to do at the proletariat so it's two different things that will be as Chris likes to make fun of me for saying one of one in N._F._l.. History this offense come into the League and working and a quarterback this size come into the league and working now. Maybe in order for one to work you need the other and maybe in order for Kings Virgin opens to work. You need a quarterback like this which is why they moved off. Josh Rosen after trading three picks in up to move into the higher part of the first round to go get him. The other part about Murray though that I do think is a bit of a misnomer in very different. Then Lamar and much more like Russell Wilson is this he in college he would have been an elite player with zero yards rushing that was the Lamar had some had good passing numbers but he won the heisman because he was such a dual threat Russell Wilson at N._C.. State and it Wisconsin made great plays with his legs but was an elite passer cuyler just passing numbers. He broke bakers record of all time college quarterback efficiency rating. He was a spectacular passer under Lincoln Riley so I don't think he's going to have to run around a ton to be successful in the N._F._l.. The question and the concern for me going into the process and still is candidate who's five nine and a half play in in the pocket in this league when we've never seen it happen when we know that what he's going to have to do to be successful will the one thing that he has that no other five nine guy has he has the arm talent of a six four troy aikman six five quarterback he has that type of armed talent the thing that did this to concerns that I have number one coming from Oklahoma just like Baker Mayfield Baker was he got lucky because he went to a team that had a decent offensive line in the Cleveland browns the best offensive line in College football last year Oklahoma sooners so that five nine guy sat behind a massive offensive line and they they've been very good offensive line the last several years the region rider quarterbacks have played Arizona cardinals bra their offensive line is awful is awful unconcerned that he is going to be running for his life because he does the dolphins of line. He's going to have to and I do remember and I'm not trying to make this comparison since so just listen to me in here because I'm trying to work this out member when they had the wildcat Bart and there were certain problems at present it to the defense we we destroyed it you destroyed and that's why I brought it up with you on the program because the wildcat wildcat couldn't present another option as far as throwing the football and when they put all those people at the line of scrimmage they didn't make them play pay the air rate offense has not been great at pass protection so who is hoping cliff Kingsbury things very changed these multiple passer Texas so you can protect that quarterback and in that offense in college it's predicated on the Hash smart wide and the Hash marks are so much wider you can out athletic people in College. You can give a guy sideways the ball in space and he can make some happen. You can't do that in the N._F._l.. Because there are two quick and they in the ball is in the middle of the field so I need to see what are the answers to what people are going to do because they give them up man right they get ready to blitz him in the pocket and when they get those answers I do believe they have a chance to be successful but if they don't my main claims Berry going to be back with that nice move here see but here's the differs and you know while we were able to defeat the wildcat you know a lot of times is ran through Ronnie Brown and he was a guy who that we knew wasn't a threat to throw the ball so when a quarterback is efficient he can run the ball. Now it's eleven on eleven because usually is eleven team because once a quarterback hands the ball he becomes a spectator. I'm I'm not concerned with him as far as been able to throw the ball and bat impasse bad it because he was one of the best at that and not getting his ball bat he has overtop delivery doesn't have a sidearm delivery like Lamar Jackson not like even some of the taller quarterbacks that have come in and he's always been that height and understanding happened to defend Michael Vick and being one or two teams that have some of the best excess against Michael Vick. We understand that shorter quarterbacks throat the windows but the same windows Heathrow through the same windows that he runs through so what defense are going you try to do a sturdy pocketing destroyed the view distort the view so he can't have clear views to see where that guys open to throw through that window so he's going to be on a move a lot so early on it's going to be important that they get him on the move so they they can dictate where the ball is going to WHO's coming into his vision but he still a threat. He's a God has that elite speed that he can change your angle and I think guys in space and going to realize that he's a lot faster a lot more difficult than a lot more elusive to get. He's more quick than than Russell Wilson more explosive explosive but he's still gives you that short target where as a defender you hit them and if you hit them a lot of time because he's shorter you knock him back opposed to knocking him over because he has great center of gravity grabbing a great balance a Lotta time we see guys come think they're going to blow pros up because he's so small you ended up propelled him back. He stays on his feet. You falls down and for people thinking that he's going to fail. I don't think he's Lamar Jackson but he can throw off. Lamar Jackson was success which he was last. You're getting his team better. He's GonNa continue to grow. He's not a better thrower than bakeries. Better athlete in Bakers. Baker got a better support and cast. I think he can be successful. My thing is the principles to this offense aren't signed sound and then when you don't have sound principles and N._f._l.. They exploit you mentioned you mentioned he's he can if lamarcus successful he can Lamar I believe would have had no shot doing what he did. Last year behind that cardinals offensive line he had a good offensive line a great coach of very good running game and an excellent defense. The cardinals were worst at everything last year. They were the worst scoring off into the worst points offense. They were bottom six scoring defense. They were the fourth worst plus minus team. They were just the they got Larry. They got David Johnson Jones better writers than they need David Johnson to be the guy who was a couple years ago not the last two years so there's a lot working against cuyler his first season while it'll be various perfect system for why does Shawn Watson and fell worst three and thirteen last year the cardinals any changes a good change part stick around coming up our Aaron Rodgers and the packers underdogs this year I Scott Excitement is building for the start of the season in Green Bay Bart Aaron Rodgers healthy and motivated packers. They've got a new head coach in matlock floor and after two days in training camp there seemingly no attention between the two Aaron says why should there be their relationship is growing and the to our friends however he says adjusting to a new coach. We'll take time a lot of times when you have a coaching change you have to go through the struggles of learning and starting over almost but I think what Brian has done with our our roster and the guys that we have come back. I think we have a chance to compete and again. We're in a good spot too because nobody's talking about us. You know some of the the the most dangerous teams I thought from our for years when everybody's talking about every other team out there except for us and we can kind of commodore own pace and surprise people in the beginning I part if this team is going to succeed what can be the biggest key for Aaron Rodgers and packers while I think less of Aaron Rodgers is going to be the key. This is a team that when you look from the outside and as a soft team in a tough division lead by the Chicago bears who can run the ball they can stop running their physical nasty and you think about the element you know Aaron. Rodgers hasn't been healthy in the last couple years this is because they're leaning and putting too much pressure now when we see some even though he's not an older quarterback he's thirty four years old. You know you would think he has six more good years in them but if they're going to prolong they're going to have to keep them WANNA football football fill in the do that. They're going to increase the time of possession and quit asking him to be special. We think about all the miracle place these made over the years. That's hard to sustain. I think they need to ground and pound a ball and I think they need to take a little bit from what they did. Were drew brees run run. The football lane on a heavy defense and only acts and Roger should be special in spurts. Take take the game now lead. I think they were twenty in the League in time of possession if you can change that maybe jump up to ten. I think you give you more more opportunities to get put him on a short field. They got tougher up the middle. Defensively they drought the Rashawn Gerry. They draft the outside corners. They spent money in Free Agency for the first time you know a lot of money on a defensive side of the ball and I think if you put it to where era just has to be better than the other quarterback two or three possessions you go ahead with a defense as tough then. I think that's a recipe for success. We've seen happen across the league with older quarterback yeah. There's not a lot of soft players in the N._F._l.. But there are soft systems and if you don't run the ball if you don't play an attack defense then in people will categorize you as a soft football team your easier to play against it's and those types of teams to you're not that soar after the game they used to say there's certain type of coaches man. You're sore Wednesday and Thursday when you play against Thirteen Baltimore for Year Pittsburgh for years not down drag outs and you're like I'm trying to get ready but I'm instill filling the pain of last week game Green Bay packers have not been that way hadn't been top ten points have not been the top ten in yards in the last ten years defensively so juno. That's a soft football team. Even though no coach will say that I've priest Asaf mentality but your style your players they will know that after games the opposition will know that so you you hit it right on the head from the front office standpoint standpoint they decided when they got off of McCarthy as a head coach. We're going to be more physical. We're going to try to be more demanding of our players. They went from a forty three defense to a thirty four and typically that thirty four defense. You've got to play with big people when you have to be physical to build a play effectively. They spent a lot of draft capital on the secondary the last few years they should be really good and Aaron Jones running back. They have to get him involved because they have not supported Aaron Rodgers with a consistent running game since he's been the starter there in Green Bay if they want things to change if Aaron wants to get people's attention this organization wants to get people the National States that physical style will take over the first month of the season and listen they better have it geared up 'cause Chicago and Minnesota physical rugged teams. You have to build a Mac stat in your division and they finally now have the right and you mentioned Chicago Minnesota and their division also the first is two weeks of the season and I five weeks of the season the defense is they face Chicago Minnesota Denver Philadelphia Dallas. If you ask forty times a game in those first five weeks of the year this year will likely have in common woman with last year in the year before eras gets dinged or worse early and it derails the season now. The backers did something. I thought a little curious couple days ago which is there they've been preaching. They're going to be about defense. They've invested in the D._v._D.'s. They brought in the dairy. Smith impressed and Smith linebacking corps they they didn't cut Mike Daniels in a contract dispute. That doesn't make your team better for this coming. He's not a good fit for the system. He's not a nose tackle to complain on the nose right over the center in thirty four four three defense and the kind of money. You're paying him. You can get somebody to do that for a lot less and he's not a thirty four defensive end too short arms aren't long enough so he's not the prototype the fit so even though you see see a lot of team defense even though because when I saw better myself see a lot of people reaction I that's a good player that eight million dollars for player of his caliber you look at a lot of good teams interested in your same because of the system change wasn't a fit there yet need a fat guy to hold a jump Bruce they brought in resign gary to play that Gino Atkins Muhammed Wilkerson type of guy to six five as along that can shoot the gas because he's going to be in between the garden tackle so I wanted to get back to something that you guys were struck by little earlier when Aaron Rodgers mentioned that he and mettler our friends now and so everything should be okay. You left at that why I mean because he's telling you who's the boss we're friends and the fuller is going to have to earn his respect. Whenever you go into a quarterback that's already great you have to show them that? You have the answers to the test and I'm sure Aaron's going to try and press him to see what his philosophy is in certain situations so you had to go in and earn his respect for instance in your coaches former coaches you know what I was rex problem Dennis Thurman Fellow at the Table Emma Party Man Dennis Thurman Koo who would have no. I give you that okay well REC vehicle. You REX's on the same level. Yeah young do came up together in the League into the Lee. Yes this young coach. That's trying to find his when he knows the best way to help his resumes to have success with Aaron Rodgers because we can have success with Aaron Rodgers. How can you go anywhere in his league and say you're a great offense coach? If you can't devise a plan to utilize those type of talents that Aaron Rodgers has now I think when you talk about the philosophy of the skeens means how you try and make them tough. They're going to have to put Air Raj Aaron Jones at the home position all that finesse type of stuff that you're talking about those Arpaio's type of things that that saw philosophy because you know you're not getting double teams getting up to the second level right. He's going have the device somebody that some of the same youth plays that he had when he was down in Tennessee because that was down in your face that make you respect. You'll you got to earn respect the Minnesota you gotta earn respect Chicago you do that by putting them. In the mouth all right we'll see later on the show Dat Dat Cognac wasn't when you guys fell over twenty six down who else well Carson. Wentz live on Easter split big payday next on I think bill's fifty five grand what determine a grown man fifty the five birthday party week for you. I didn't like it. Stop saying unclear Carson Wentz in just a second verse Anthony Ren Don'- backhands cans the ground or down the third base line throws out right now top while falling into foul territory. That was a great throat right there that was online he had a guy was running. We have one of these highlights yesterday. Man Dues running like Milkman forever to get over there. We're condones made a few of these islands fours High School Basketball Huntington prep junior guard Jimmy Gatwick doing the under both leg dunk during a game now. This is nasty right here. This is one of the better in Game Dunks I've ever seen puts it in. There's left him before he goes up and he knew what he was doing. Their this kid's got a whole bunch of big time highlight to these types of dunks but this most those are in warm ups this in a live game. That's wild here we go N._F._l.. N._F._l.. Training camp underway cardinals air raid offense scholar Murray to Larry Fitzgerald for the one handed catch while falling out of bounds fitzy get both feet in their note as referee right there said so. I don't even have to look at the referee look at Marie my man stop tripping man. This is what I do man when you learn it. This is what I do. People Bill Buildings People paying pain is this is what ideal into one more time this my whole cell no left-foot hit on on the chalk man stop playing with me agree to disagree don't trip onto the Cleveland browns that was good. Jim O'Neill learning just no no no vocabulary from Nick Odell Beckham Junior making a beautiful catch on the sideline now he both feet and a knee inbounds and then showed the ball to everybody he had a few of these spectacular catches yesterday throw by Baker keeping away from the defender one thing watch what the browns receiving coroner corner quarterback. They're going against a good defense. The reps that they get should really help this young football team get a lot of season so watch them how they practice in the competition they should be working with each other to build something special including all right moving onto Carson Wentz now he kicked off his fourth training camp. This year couldn't be happier about it. Eagles gave him a big money extension this off season then traded away his back of Nick Foles to leave no question about who the Eagles quarterback is Carson said he knows it will not be easy getting eagles back to the playoffs for a third straight season but he's looking forward to the journey. I've never been complacent with one win one championship one of those any of that obviously there's a bit of the person side I was on that field back in the super bowl so there's that element too but <hes> you know I'll never be the type that's going to settle. I'm always striving for more always trying to push myself to be the best and <hes> if I didn't have that mentality I probably wouldn't even be here. We come out on your and come together as a team really just really build this team. Not a Bungee individuals and I think we have the ability to do something really special with this group but it's going to take a lot harder worth Chris. What do you think is motivating? Carson Wentz hadn't into this season. I think like any great player. The personal expectations forget what anyone else's saying people with the most talent typically have the highest goals of the highest standard. I'm glad that he communicated that watching. I shouldn't Super Bowl win man. That was gut wrenching for him because I had said that I said this is not a good fillon. He's trying to cheer Nick Falls on and everything but that's not his football team. He might have been the capital of the team. You might go out there for the coin toss but when you're not playing you're not actually a part of it you just riding in the car. He might as well been in the trump. Hankook Nick foles that was his show Nick foles got all the credit so the first playoff game that he plays in the Philadelphia Eagles three years in a row not be Carson Wentz his first playoff game. This is a huge season for him. They believe in them. I believe he should be wanting to favorites to be the M._v._p.. The supporting cast them signing sproles a couple days ago it gives them <hes> the the running backs. I believe the best running back cord that they've had they should be able to run the ball. Jordan Howard should be of he said surprise a lot of people. If he Russia's four thousand yards they have a thousand yard rusher than that gives that why receiving in court which I believe is rock-solid. They got a very good tight end. They got three or four wide receivers that got sproles coming out of the backfield. I believe none of more important than the Sean Jackson what he brings last year in the N._F._l.. no-one average eighteen yards a kit but the signed Jackson. He's won the special deep threats that we've had we're Carson WENTZ and they're passing game. Where did it fall off from seventeen to eighteen? It's on those deep balls in no one in the N._F._l.. Has Been More effective effective. Then Deshaun Watson on sixty yard touchdown sean most disarmed Jackson the most in N._F._l.. History I SPEC big things they should have super bowl aspirations in Philadelphia and listen for Carson. He's gotten everything of football player can ask for aside from a taste of the playoffs and individual playoff success that draft class he was in that top five is loaded jared Goff Carson wentz Joey Bosa Ezekiel Ezekiel Elliott Jalen Ramsey. That's unbelievable. Only one of them's gotten paid by the way Carson Jackson the draft class will way lower. He's waiting to get paid he. I don't even remember who won the M._v._p.. Two years ago because we talk about the M._v._p.. Bb Guardsmen wins one even though actually win it I who won the twentieth was it Brady. I'm not sure but I know wins was going to win it. We we say two thousand times like so he's got the money he's got a great supporting cast. I think a good head coach and an extraordinary front office with with a great organization you got everything in front of you and now he has to stay healthy which has been the bugaboo for him throughout and we have to see him in the playoffs. We haven't had coachman genie on this training camp season but I do listen to coach we even though he thinks I don't and for guys in the League. There's the question of okay you are here. What will you be once? The Games are single elimination. I think can be great in those spots but that's projection. That's prognostication 'cause we've never seen him in those spots. The guy taken spot ahead of them Jared Goff. He's been new suit wall already. The Rams are still waiting to pay him and said we're GONNA watch him. Another year. Corson's been hurt two three years. He's played hasn't yet played in a playoff game. He got his money. He's got a great supporting guests. I agree with cruise. I think Jordan Howard to the best running back he's at I J._J.. Was Nice enough player. I think Jordan Howard an excellent player I think Chicago's GONNA regret letting him walk out. The door to Sean Jackson is going to be able to run pass people evidently until he stops choosing to play football. It'll be like Darryl Green yes when he just forty run a four three absolutely right and so you are set up we know how good the offensive line is they. They moved up in the first round to take a potentially elite tackle to be a backup offensive lineman. Yes behind their hall of fame left. Lane Johnson might be the best right tackle in football. You still have Kelsey you got all these pieces around you so yeah the question for winces can you take advantage driven and can you be. They're all sixteen Carson Wentz the only question on this team. You have depth that every position you have a great backfield. Coach is proven himself taking you to the Super Bowl and you have a healthy quarterback. What's keeping you from? Being one of you know the most hyped team or the team. That's probably the most likely to go to the Super Bowl. There's more question marks around the other parts of the roster than they are with Carson wins but just because he's hurt and because he's the quarterback and because Nick foles one that super bowl he's going that'd be owned the Marquee but they got tremendous questions. As far as their linebacking corps they still got question mark as far as their secondary that bad reason why they won that who both their secondary played extraordinary throughout the season they have not gotten that type of play so in Philadelphia Philadelphia. Are there no question yeah there are questions but the red hot topic is their quarterback Kenny. Stay healthy and I haven't. I haven't heard someone on National T._v.. There's a bigger fan of Carson Winston Myself. He's got all the tools and yes there are players who get hurt in this collision sport and there's some who get hurt more than others but I'm going to start off with the talent level he has. I believe he gets them to a super bowl. They're going to win the Super Bowl with Carson wentz being in their quarterback. That's what the front office. That's why they gave that's why he's the first one in that group to build get that contract extension. I think they are one of the teams that people around the League look at and say Oh they are top four team in this league their team that can go win the super bowl like the sometimes because I'm not quite as high on them as other people and you hear my takes before the show during the show after the show so maybe sometimes might takes pollute the general thoughts on what the national conversation is eagles are one of the most high-pressure in one of the most high teams in the leap like the Patriots are just godfather in because they've grandfathered in because they've earned the team. We've really talked about this off season. As far as hype goes or the Cleveland Browns and yet here's a team that that is far more proven win then just what the browns have on rape or they've got the pieces that we've actually seen do it and do and do it on a more extended period of time for Winston Baker for Baker. We've seen nine games. We did see nearly a full season his second year in the League all right. Let's take a break coming up. We'll Marie live up to the hype speaking of hype. That's next on first things first things first. We are going viral. I check this out see you wanted it. Ben Simmons Soon Jumpers Against Actual N._B._A.. Players this is Austin rivers and Devon Booker. Yeah also rivers other Devon Booker Authors dimension been similar going up. Oh okay so here's the thing so you're going to be negative on this until we see him. Do It in a game and I understand that but when you watch the highlight like this all I'm Ben Simmons Fan it frustrates me because he clearly has some ability to shoot the basketball and his refusal to do any of that during an N._B._A.. Game is vexing because listeners pretty shot in world but it exists like he clearly has the capability we knowing do that but to shoot jumpers to pull up and he just won't do it in the game. He's doing it because you don't have no confidence right when he plays in these games he shouldn't be able to dunk the basketball Kabul. He should never allow himself the dunk basketball remove the dunk from his game. Yeah that's all I was trained by basketball players. My brother trained me. He induced me. The people like Isaiah Thomas Magic Johnson. That's the reason why I have seen all these routines. I saw so reality when he came to Miami with that shooting routine that he had like. I'm not just making this stuff. 'cause I don't have nothing better to do. This is all have seen throughout my life when I was a kid the only reason why I didn't try to go to the N._B._A.. Nick 'cause I couldn't shoot the ball is good. I know that like I'm just forget mess me with that. No Gene I beg you stop miss me with the show would be better if you missed the show Gotcha yeah okay. I just thought maybe at this point to your girlfriend's till hours in get rid of ours in two years in you ain't got was going to be the day the lightbulb went every day. I think that's going to today nick. No Big News Dallas Ezekiel Elliott did not poor the team planted training camp yesterday. He does however have until this morning to report before officially becoming a holdout nick. How do you expect us to play out and I I think Zeke's going to show up? I think it's in the I know it's in the team's best interest firm to show up. I don't know if it's in his best interest to show up but is he willing to play this game and chicken with the Dallas cowboys cowboys in this critical season and is he willing when Dak is yet to be paid and Dak showing up obviously DAX only got one year left on his deal index never made real money. Is he willing to not show up Jack is those are the questions and I guess we'll get the answer and a few hours N._F._l.. Locker Room Nikki knows problem that is DAX decks problem macron. We could be titus can beat that could be my boy but every man is in business for himself. Dallas cowboys are in business for themselves. They make Dak rich which they're going to make our Amari cooper rich in Zeke if he's smart he's the best player on the team. He would stick to his guns. He should get his contract. I wouldn't be concerned about deck anew that ain't my father got drafted into Third Round Baltimore. You got they my fault. I need my money. That's what zero and tell them all right moving onto the saints now New Orleans Water Saver Michael Thomas he also did not report to training camp yesterday he and the saint-seurin contract negotiations but have not agreed to terms yet see they are you surprised at Thomas wasn't at Camp no not surprised at all. They had a hard time getting drew brees signed and you talking about the type of money. Mike might one hundred million for five yeah. Okay I mean that's a lot of money for a wide receiver. He has earned his turn. He was not a high draft pick. He's exceeded expectations. He's exceed the expectation and I've been watching him. Place in highschool played high-school in California with the military school then went to Ohio state. I never thought thought he would be as good a wide receivers he is. I was totally wrong. I thought he'd be a good wide receiver. Have a good eight to ten year career but man he is a star N._F._l.. Nick this is the most reasonable rational hold out imaginable. He's a players never made any money. He's a second round pick scheduling one million dollars this he made he's made in three years a total of four million bucks and by N._F._l.. Sanders I should say right now any significant money he since coming into the league not only is he got better every year but he started started off good enough that over the last three years he's top six and catches touchdowns and yards this type of guy who gets paid in this league and BS force there and E._S.. Force there and even though he's not from New Orleans Sean Payton in one hometown discount because that system has helped him out are moving onto the Cleveland browns they opened up camp yesterday and Odell loved every second of it shines making some spectacular signature catches back and said quote. I feel like I belong seeing what do you think was sort of a precursor of what's to come fro people always they make up some stuff and they say you know a tight end is quarterbacks best friend. Titanium's best friend is when a guy is covered and I can throw him in the ball and he can still make a catch because that's what you saw a lot yesterday yesterday. They're gonNA get great coverage great practice reps but man. This is good for Oh B._J.. To be back out there not trying to do interviews play football what he's great at what he got his name for doing this. They are very very talented. This is not hype. I know we've talked about a lot. They've lost a lot of games over the last twenty years but this is the most talented Cleveland team that they've had their in fifteen. You Man I was on twitter yesterday and every fifteen minutes there was a different different Odell highlight on my twitter feed in a few minutes later. There's different clip out of giants Kampe. Daniel Jones not gonNA cooler over with pass of Sterling Shepard breaks his thumb unfortunately then Odell does this. I'm like all these poor giant. Fans can't win for losing Odell in the browns are going to be excellent. I we've said we both like Baker is kind of Darkhorse M._v._p.. Pick I go Dell's going to be first team all pro receiver for the first time in his career so I listen. I think this is going to be a great year for Odell in the branch.
Q & A Episode 3- The Post Combine Show- Defensive Recap & FA Preview
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Question your press meant, what do you think is your best attribute fee? Well, Chris Japan on going again. Definitely go together. Not think I you both. All right. Welcome back to win a episode three's two point. Oh, the post combine three ages. The addition along with your boys you I'm Joe Rigo. And now we're getting into the defensive side of the ball with the raiders in Q. The one thing I want to talk about before why jump into that. I think Daniel Jeremiah and my God calls Davis did a Ben tactic job as usual. But really Jeremiah get a really good job. Taking over from mayo coup, obviously became the raiders general manager, I think Jeremiah I did a really good job in terms of just the way you break things down using his experience in the past the scout being in those types of rooms with the ravens I liked what he brought. And then I always love TD when he brings not only what you bring to the table on camera off camera. He is one of the coolest individuals. I've ever had the pleasure of working with cars having him on shows and whatnot. Get a really good job. Breaking things. Down in and simplifying it for you haven't seen the combine. This was the first time feeding. No they did. They did a really really good job. Again. May I was one of my favorite guys just to watch any because the way he broke things down. But Santa Jeremie is really good at what he does as well. And he's definitely the go-to guy now and he did a damn good job. And Charles Davis is always money. I mean, you always money no matter where he's at whatever settings that if it's doing color commentary, if it's doing, you know, something like the combine if you've got the draft. I mean, whatever it is just a conversation over to the side, or whatever I mean, he's he's always always a gentleman, and he's always great at what he does. And so, yeah, they did a hell of a job you gotta get rid is a lot of credit for just kind of you know, steering the steering the ship that those guys are really start the show. They did a hell of a job one point two million Rix rate. I believe this year. And and and you think what Brady tweeted out? No, I missed that radiactive on. I g is in is said next year come train with us at his TV, twelve whatever and you'll break your personal record. I guarantee it NFL network did event Tassie job as usual covering the combine no doubt about it. Again. Like, I said, it's one of my favorite things to watch each and every year. But yeah, it was it was a it was a hell of a job this this year. And I enjoyed it. Like, I always do in can't wait till the next one. Really? I can't wait till Nashville. Can't wait to get down there for the draft. But after that man, I'll be looking to the combine for the next year. So yeah, man, it's going down making a go down and do the hell of a job. I'm gonna go to linebackers before we go to dean line men. Devon, white is not your prototypical inside linebacker. He's a he's a blend between today's inside linebacker and the old school linebacker the way. He plays came knitted up, as you know, in my opinion. He clearly is the top inside linebacker in this drought. I absolutely love his game. He will be there at four. I don't know if that's a little early form if they traded back a couple of spots. I can see that maybe with the giants taking around the around the same area. Roquan Smith was taken last year. I like him better than the roquan Smith, and I liked roquan Smith a hell of a lot last year. I like I like roquan Smith a ton. And I think that Devon white falls in just a little under roquan. They're both alpha dogs, they're both of those those field generals and they can play they can play their tails off. I mean, they really can you saw what Rick wanted this year with Chicago Bears. And I think Devon white has the ability to do that as well. And he's my he's my guy like I really really want him actually f number four if the raiders stick there. I either one acquitted Williams that's my first option. I'd rather have Clinton Williams out of Alabama for multiple reasons. Devon, white number two. And then Josh Allen number three. But Devon white. I just don't think that the raiders are going to draft a linebacker at number four overall matter of fact, one of our mutual friends, Kevin. On Twitter having Wang. Yeah. He he had mentioned he had brought up something that I totally even blanked on it forgot about. But I know is true. I know it's fact, and so I had to give him props on that that you know, the Paul gutters. Defense doesn't go and get a linebacker. That's a big time stud and Paul gut. There has never banged the table to get a linebacker super early. Matter of fact, he's ever drafted one higher than the third round. So and he's been a record as saying that he's not going to you know, he he's not going to go in and get a linebacker that early. They his it's all about his scheme, you know, stopping the run and his passing passing lanes and rushing the passing lanes. And so it's one of those situations where I don't think that you know, Devon white is going to be a guy. That's that is going to be on the raiders big board is four as number four goes. But I sure wish they were wish he was because man, oh, man. They haven't had a real deal linebacker in a very long time. I would love to see them have that dude. But I just don't think it's going to happen. I think we're we're he possibly could be first of all cabinet is a great follow very intelligent with football analysis. He breaks things down. He could tell he played or coached at some point. So kevin. Now's a great things. I ready. I was reading thousand you guys talk about it earlier on on Monday. And I thought it was a great exchanging when he brought up schematically how it wasn't important. But you look at a guy like Bontes verdict who's who will be available CJ Moseley's a free agent. He will be available. If one of those two guys were signed in particular Moseley, I wouldn't like the white selection as much if they took him at seven because you bring it in a guy like mostly, but without that. And you try to back to seven and picked up a second or a third round pick. I wouldn't mind the white selection to be honest with you now, I do have. Williams. And then you said you had white white in an hour. And then Allen yet. I would actually I actually have Allen ahead of Williams and right behind right in front of white white sandwiched in the middle. I think and and and Allen we talked about right now did a really really good job at the combine me ran the four five ish. He tested off the charts. But he's a guy that he loves football. He could it came out last year. Get seven sacks comes back and play this season ends of having double digits increases value in the tens of millions of dollars as well. They're going to be a top five pick top four pick. He's a guy that in a lot of ways reminds you a reminds a lot of people Cleal MAC coming out. 'cause that's kinda we pattern his game after and I don't like bringing Khalil Mack into the conversation. 'cause I'm not talking about the trade from talking about style of play. That's something that the raiders sorely lacked. He's. Got good band. He can get around the corner. He's a guy that I really liked with him. If he's there four I I like him more than white if they decide not to trae back because he brings that pashas element that the raiders sorely lack last year. Now, I agree with that hundred percent. I just don't know. And maybe you can you can add your two cents to it. And and and you know, put its arrest. What you think it is? Or whatever you are. You can answer this question. I don't exactly know what his defined position is going to be in the league. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know if he's a linebacker. I don't know if he's a edge. He's kind of and I hate to use the word. He's kind of that tween or dude, you know, what? I mean, he's not really a defined position in the NFL just because of his size. He just you just don't know if he's going to be just a pure edge rusher. Or if he's going to be a guy that you can drop in coverage. You just kinda don't know. So that's my only hang up with Josh Allen. Besides that everything else is is really good. I'm just confused. Not confused. I'm just not sure exactly how NFL team is gonna use them. And that's been the hangup. That I've heard a lot of people talk about. Well, again, I people that he reminds them a lot of Khalil Mack. That's where the comparison comes from and MAC could put his hand in dirt. And come at the quarterback where he could stand up. I think it's what you want him to do. It just depends on you know, gain your g coordinator, you look you look at various coordinators. They adjust their scheming ways to the talent. That's around him has done there ever had a edge rusher. Like Mike Allen in his career as a D coordinator Cincinnati. That's a good question. I have to definitely go back in and I'm not so well versed on Cincinnati day to day with their with their defense ends look like what? What are they don't gossiping? When when they went and got him from the Panthers, right? That'd be the festive first one that comes to mind, but they've always had great interior rushes Gino Atkins. You know that he's the first one that comes up with it. I'm not saying you don't go after interior guy because because you have more hers than jelly Ellis in PJ hall. If wins the highest rating guy on their board and they'd Bill. He's the best guy. Go get him. The doesn't matter. What position he plays? Go get him. That's the guy you feel is going to be the most impactful for you this year. I think he's on the draft. I I've just I'm I'm all when number. If I had the number one overall pick I would pick him. That's just that's just me while I think he is very much a similar to Darrell Russell back in the day with the raiders. I think he's you know, I think he's one of those guys I think he can be just such an impact from the interior in something that Mike Mayock it said on Wednesday when he did his little his press conference when it opened up the combine he said that most of the quarterbacks he's talked to said that they hate getting pressure up, the gut the stuff off the edge is okay because they can step up. But that stuff up the gut really really bothers them. And I just think they quit Williams could be that, dude. So if I had an option, and I was a number one overall pick. If I had that pick I'd pick in number one that but again, that's just me. Wow. That goes to what I should earlier about beaten, beating the hell Ave guards the way you went football game. I I would go with Bosa. And and I just think that there's something about him a lot like his brother. I mean the blood line. He's a guy that just eat. Greece. Leaps football. I think he made a smart business decision by shutting down timber after he tour in a doctor and his stomach abductor muscle. Nor an add muscle, whatever he's a guy though that I think you can do a lot with key in. He reminds me and Charles Davis said it a lot of of Chris long longtime. Yeah. He's. You can. And I think at in certain with certain types of fronts. I could see you maybe moving him inside to come up quick and beat a guard and beat the center. I mean, you could do a lot of different things with him. You can do a lot of you could run a to a tour. You know, you're going to an ox, right, or if you wanna to man front with Moore backers and safeties which you're going to see a lot of in the NFL going forward, you know, in sub packages. He's a guy that I think he can do that. He'd be my number one overall pick, you know, especially by that need, you know, a front like the raiders do. But I don't like Williams. I think he's a monster. I think he's one that again the four best players in this draft. If they the raiders took him out have no qualms with it just because of he's so dominant, and I don't expect him to go hard every single play. And that's one of the. Things that maybe I'm people could get pissed off of me about but cue to be honest with you when you look at D Lyman. Those guys around the field. The the really go the field three downs. Right. There's no way in hell. They're going to be able to go hard all three downs. So many times they're gonna take a plan. They just if they could stand a guy up and kinda just push them back a little versus, you know, kind of collapsing pocket versus you know, creating pressure but collapsing little bit making them uncomfortable. That's sometimes it's a win. But he's he's a guy that is so dominant. I agree with you. I just I would go both the one he didn't do anything in this to disappoint me. He knows far as me watching him work out on Sunday. There was nothing that was disappointing to me when during his workouts. I I still think he's the best player in the draft. Nothing changed my mind from the beginning of grass college football season until now. No. And I understand that. And that's a lot of people have met number one. And I I totally get that. And he's been the consensus number one do for the longest time until this whole Kyla Murray situation started coming up. Popping up. But he's been the guy that everyone says, oh, he's going to go number one overall. I'll tell you one reason that I kinda cross them off my list, and it's probably not a good idea. But I did it. Anyway, I'm just gonna admit straight up. Why did it? I just don't trust his family. I really don't. I don't trust the Bosa family. I didn't like what you know. His pops out it kind of interfered with the chargers and and them getting Joey signed. And I just I didn't like the whole way that everything kinda shook out, and, you know, sometimes you get them fathers in those families that are too too involved to involve in what's going on. And I just feel like that family is a little crazy. And you know, I've talked to a lot of charger guys their charter friends of mine not players, but you know, charging fans that have said man that do was really an issue. You know? And I I just don't know. I don't know if I trust them a lot. So there's there's a there's like a character flaw with the whole family in my opinion. They're just kind of crazy in my opinion. Again, is just my opinion. That's kind of what I'm rolling with. Okay. So now know a what if question let's say cardinals take Murray, one of the forty nine or snow ball and take. Williams too and the jets go ahead. So everybody occurred ball trade with the giants. The giants jump the raiders to take Haskins at three. Raiders sitting there you got Bosa four. What do you you you you pass on them? I mean, I think at that point if he has the phone before you just have to take him because it would just be silly not to similar to what the Texas did with jape is Davy cloudy when they had the number one overall pick. It was almost one of those situations where you gotta take him. You know, it's like you have to take this dude, they might not even one hundred per cent sold. He was the best guy in the draft. But it was almost like you have to take this guy. He's so damn good. You have to take him. And I I just think that Nick Bosa has shown enough and enough ability. I mean, he did cut his season short. Like, you mentioned you made a business decision and cut his season short. We're gonna start seeing a lot more of that. If you know, if people don't already know that we're gonna see a lot more of that moving forward. So I'm okay with that. I don't have a problem with that part of it. I just like I say man, just don't get a good vibe. And that's what it's really about. With me, man. It's it's vibe and gut feeling when it comes to certain people, and I just don't get a good vibe or a gut feeling when it comes to to Nick boasts of. But I think that with the need that the raiders have as far as edge. Russia goes it would really come down to. Okay, you can say Nick Bosa. Are you gonna take Josh Allen? You know if. If Quinton Williams is already off the board like you mentioned. So I think that they'd have to go with Nick Bosa, and I would be okay. I'd sure I'd get over it. And have no problem with especially once he gets a couple of sacks back to back or whatever, you know, has a couple of big games. Then it's like, oh, this is cool. But you know, for the most part, I just I don't know. I just I I worry about injuries, and I worry about his family, and that that's just that's that's me, Nick Bosa. Okay. Another another one I'm gonna stay on this for many Murray. Wine say the forty Niners. So everybody for looping take PK Metcalf to the jet take Allen three because all ready, having tear, your Pash, rush, and that leaves or they trade back. So let's say they pass you have Williams and both on the board. I know you say Williams, but how pissed off would you be if they took both over Williams? I don't think I'd be pissed off. I would prefer Williams over both. But I wouldn't be pissed off. Because still you get in a top tier guy that everyone's expecting to go number one or was was expecting. Go number one overall for the most part of the year. I'd be pissed off if they jumped up and had like Ed Oliver at that spot. You know, what I mean like that would make me mad, and I think it all is a hell of a talent. But at the same time, I would be pissed off if Bosa was there Clinton waves was there, and they said, you know, what we're gonna trick. Everybody and go Ed Oliver that would piss me off that would make me that would be a Colton Miller Derwin James type situation for me all over again. Yeah. That would be the little funny holiday getting taken over. Randy moss. Right. Only time I ever lost my crap. In a I lost my shit that draft. I cursed out wrong. Wolf more than anybody. Could imagine. I still cursing for that pick anyway. Oh, bad childhood memories. They right now, I mean on the same in the same vein. Look the raiders slick Fabian Washington and let air Rogers go. So there you go. Well, yeah. You know, and the funny raider wise, the one that I didn't understand. And I hate it. I and I told I told again, go to Tiki. We mentioned what every show we were talking. And I was like man like I would take Adrian Peterson or Calvin Johnson number one. I'm not taking jamarcus. Russell I go. I don't see with him. He does he looks like a slob. And I hear you know, I was like man you're crazy ignore bus yards eight yards. Big arm may not raider football right there. That's rendered football. Man. Sports a very deceiving. Last year. We had a conversation that brought it up and he was like look GRA. Could bring it up. Oh shit. We don't we don't miss jamarcus. Russell in this household. So that's real I respect it. So I mean, I feel you. That's one of those is like in fact, who was it Landseer lie ask the question. What is the one draft pick? That you were so sold on that you were him being a great pro. And being that guy ended up being a flock who was that for you. Oh, man, that's not even non-readers this prospect Nightman just raider related. Well, I look I I don't care as much for other teams as I care for the raiders. But I will say I thought that that just recently matter of fact when the Redskins went and they drafted a homeboy out of TCU the wide receiver out of TCU. Dammit of now, forget it. They try to Ron boykin was the quarterback. And he was always doing. Oh, Josh dachshund. He was always throwing the ball to John. And I always thought he was going to be really sticking good when the Redskins drafted him. I'll say man, I was at the draft. And I told my buddy who is a Redskin fan. I was like man that's a hell of a pig. He's like, I I don't know, man. He just really got jumped balls for TCU. And I said, I know he's another weapon for Kirk cousins in well, he just never worked out that way. And he's still there, but he's not very good. That was definitely one of them for me. Raider wise, though, I'll tell you. I thought Michael was going to be a stud and Michael huff just ended up being. Okay. You know, he wasn't. He wasn't all that. And that really made me kind of angry jamarcus Russell. I think everybody thought he was going to be good as far as raider fans. They thought he was going to be the quarterback that you know, could throw the ball out of the damn stadium from one Nieve, and though that means that you're down. But whatever we didn't think about that. But I think a lot of raider fans fell for the banana the tailpipe when it came to jamarcus Russell and most will won't wanna admit that right now. But I don't have no problem saying that I thought he was going to be good too. But yet just like TQ he's not talked about in my house either. I think for me just in general was killer. Maze. From you. I thought I thought Taylor was gonna be. Just a monster. Watching him play washing everything that he that. He did at the. I mean, I see people saying Joe, he's the next Ronnie Lott. I mean at his size. What he does. And I was like what he's stiff hits Ronnie wasn't. And now is is he's just different, you know. And obviously tiller didn't have the career that that many thought that he was going to have a raider related is I'm gonna sound I'm gonna sound a little is going to sound like because he ended up having a decent career was Robert gallery. I really I really wanted the raiders to draft. John taylor. I am. And I'll say, you know, buys aside. I am Sean Taylor outside of Dion Sanders, and LeRoy Butler me I'm his I was biggest fan. I thought was Sean Taylor was was alive and playing at Miami. And with the Redskins are thought. He was best defensive player in the NFL. I thought he was the in the NFL I thought he was a hall of Famer in the waiting. He was trending that way before he was tragically murdered and imagined the raiders with him and not Robert gallery who they drafted to play left tackle moving the right tackle. Then had to kick him inside the guard where he was productive. But he wasn't Sean Taylor. No. He wasn't here. Robert gallery. He went in the do the use most to be the guy. He was drafted for. No, you're right. That Sean Taylor, man. Everything you said he was projected to be. He absolutely was on a collision course with all that that do was the best defensive player in the league at the time. He was going to the hall of fame. He was that dude. I mean, man, he was he was the best player on a team full of best players. You know what I mean? So I mean that guy was an absolute monster recipe. Sean Taylor hate the way his tragic areas life ended tragically, but yeah, man, he he was the guy I'll say with Robert gallery, I was pissed off that they didn't Dr Larry FitzGerald. I mean, he was the very next the very. Next pick and look Larry still playing where's Robert Robert somewhere milking cows. I mean, you know, what I mean? Like what the hell he? Yeah there. If Israel would have been an absolute monster in the silver and black and look he's still playing on the same frigging team. Are you kidding me? Come on, man. Yeah. And Robert Robert gallery. Sure did have that. Good hair Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Looks like a damn raider. He looked like a random, but he didn't play like a raider was may look like Tarzan and played like, Jane. Okay. So let's go to another linebacker that that blew up the combine that didn't then Tasim played like Jane at the college level at all Devon push from Michigan. He that dude. If the biggest knock on him is that he's five eleven which honesty is Ray Lewis height, dude. This is a guy late in the first round. If you can get your hands on him if he's still there. He's that middle linebacker that could come up some you any can turn around and cover because the guy's got loose hips. And again bloodlines his dad played in the NFL is rolling the nineties. This is it's it's it's amazing to me that that that Devon Bush is being knocked because he's five eleven and change. When all he does is produce. I can see that. I can see I like them Bush a lot too. And he did some good things at the combine the kind of backed up the fact that he should be one of the top linebackers considered in this draft. And honestly, I see a lot of projections that have him towards the end of the first round that would be awesome to if you can't go get Devon white. I'd be okay with Devon Bush. I would absolutely be okay. With that. I mean, hell you want to really get wild men, and this would just be wild. But it is not going to happen. I wouldn't mind seeing the raiders go and get Devon white early and double up with them and Bush later, I mean, you got to two hundred three linebackers positions filled. You know, what I mean like you would already have a couple of Mosser's out there, and you figure out again, you'd figure out how to play them and where to play him, and like you said really good defensive coordinators will use the talent that they have and put them in in the right position to succeed. That would be I wouldn't have no problem with that. I know is not going to happen. But if you you don't get a linebacker if you miss out on C J Moseley in free agency. And you don't go get Devon white. I wouldn't mind getting Devon Bush at the end of the first round. I think he's I think he's really really quality player. I and he's gonna do some big thing. Things and you know, Michigan and John Harbaugh. I mean, they are Jim Harbaugh. Excuse me. They put out they put out NFL players every single year. I mean hell mo- hersal along that defense alive for the raiders right now. I would definitely not have a problem seeing Devon Bush right there at that linebacker position. Well, I would say not thought you were going to say I'd have no problem have them taking Williams at four Bush Bush at twenty four greenie Williams at at twenty seven and trading eight for AB with thirty thirty five. I mean, I man, man. Look, I I think that the defense really needs to be addressed in this draft, especially when like we mentioned early that, you know, the draft or the the defensive side of the ball is very very there's a lot of talent there and this upcoming draft. So I think that that needs to really be addressed and taking advantage of if possible look if they were to get Clinton waves at number four, and they can get a guy like Devin Bush number twenty four that's cool. I think that they get one offense a guy in the first round. I do think that. But again, it all depends on what the raiders do with Antonio Brown. What they give up for them. And again, I do think that they're going to trade for him. So they'll probably give them something. Who knows what that's going to be? But I'd be okay with that. I don't know about greedy Williams, man. You know, the thing about him as much as I like him, and I love his name as a as a defensive back and DB's win games. And as a guy who played defensive back like that. That's just that's the best position ever as far as I'm concerned because it is my position. And it's the only thing I ever played. But it's cool. I I just I don't know, man. He's always getting injured, and he never even finished the combine like he got through some of the drills. But. Then he started cramping up, and that has been his whole history at LSU he plays he performs and then he gets injured then he plays and he performs the Nick it's injured. He played a man. I just that bothers me if I'm looking at defensive back in the first round, I probably looking at a guy like the Andre Baker out of Georgia. But man, he's gonna be he's gonna go off the board pretty high. I I'm going DVD's, and I love greedy and Yuli guys. We hear the minute. Greetings comments at the podium the other day when he talks about himself. But the guy you really need to watch is Byron Murphy from Washington U W put out some really good DB's in recent years. This guy has the highway speed. He's a playmaker. He's versatile. He's tall. He's long. He's just the dude. Also like the Andre Baker. I just I think Murphy's that guy. Just I think he actually think and are going I think Murphy is gonna be the first corner taken off the board in this in this draft. I think greed, I think Reading's gonna slide. I think Baker will be the second corner. But I think Murphy with everything that he brings to the table. I think he's going to be the first corner taken in this draft. They for whatever reason it's just a gut feeling I kind of felt that way to last the last two or three weeks. Just walking his film and watching him move and being around Sidney Jones and Kevin king and Buddha. Baker like this guy was part of that group. He he got chance to learn behind. These guys Sydney would have been the first corner. First second quarter, taking if you didn't tear his achilles on the last rent of his pro day couple years ago. Healy got him into steel in the second round. I believe he's got to stay healthy. But he's coming back from that and module and bias because I'm no Sydney since he was eight years old. Then you got Kenny king and the guy he's kind of injury played with the Packers by can't play maker corner. And then Buddha Baker what made the Pro Bowl as a rookie special teams player. This guy falls in the same line. He's the guy that I think in today's NFL again fits the Bill checks all the boxes. I really liked Byron Murphy this this this finish off the linebackers quick. And we'll get the DVD's and then deductibles. Gary Johnson my back from Texas down your way, he lit up. The combine what I like most about Johnson. Besides what I see on film is this is a guy. I think it fits the raiders what they're looking for is in a linebacker because the dude less football. Do the dude was in foster care the majority of his life. He's a real, dude. Literally, he's a real, dude. What his story is a real story. Eight is not a story that is one of those where you're kind of. Some of the right? You hear like, oh, yeah. It's just a heartfelt story. No. This is the real deal. This dues been to a lot of hardships in his life. And he's the type of guy that will come in. And I think immersing himself in raiders culture and be raiders entire career. And be a guy that fans would just love. I agree. He's a he's a hell of a player, and what he did at the combine really just kind of solidified that he was one of those guys that what he did the combine maybe feel good about. Okay. He's going to be a real deal player because one got to see a lot of them. Obviously. I'm here big twelve country, and obviously UT plays in the big twelve. And so I got to see a lot of him and he could play and then going to see the what he did. And put the numbers he put up at the combine it just kind of said. All right. Yeah. That's for sure. What I saw him do on the field is just backed up with that lettuces. And that he showed off at the combine, and yeah, I think he's gonna be a real animal everything that he gets in life. He's going to appreciate because everything that you just mentioned he's not going to be one of those guys. It just feels like oh, yeah. I've arrived. I've. Made it. No, I mean with what he's had to deal within his life. His real deal issues that he's got to deal with. I mean, man or had to deal with and had to overcome. He will appreciate every single thing that he ever gets. He will not take it for granted. And he's going I believe in my opinion, you're gonna continue to work work work and work some more to even get better. So that's the that's the real shine on him where I think that whoever gets him is going to get a hell of a player a hell of a linebacker and a guy who's going to be a staple on that team for years to come. I like him do like after I really researched the story. Even the guy that makes it makes it easy to root for and I just love the what I love what he does. And there's another guy he put up freakish numbers of Florida state. You could have really interesting combine numbers, really good combine numbers. I think he has the best hands of any linebacker, and he could probably play tight in the NFL, the Florida states Brian burns this. He's another guy in top fifteen teams. If you wanna edge rusher that I I look at him as a backer more than this hand down. He Josh Allen or kind of to me really similar in sense of our like what you asked there. Do you want him with his hand down in the dirt? Or do. You want him standing up? He's a Pash assured in air, and he's a guy that you know, I know pass Florida state people there's been some guys that are kind of similar to him and haven't panned out. I keep different. I think that politic freak that can get to the quarterback. I agree. No. I agree. Brian birds is a hell of a player. I got. A buddy that works the radio station with me who's a Florida state grad. So he's always putting these Florida state guys in my ear, and man, he's high on Brian burns. He's very high on Brian burns and things that he can do just about anything. He wants and his very similar like you mentioned a Josh Allen. He just might not begin the notoriety because Florida state didn't have a very good year. I mean, they just didn't have a very good year Willie Taggart did not do very good job. His first season. Matter of fact, my buddy is trying to get rid of him. He's like man get Willie out of town. He is awful. So yeah, that that's how bad it is right now for Florida state alum. So that's the only reason I think that he's kind of flying under the under the radar because when's the last time a Florida guy, a Florida state guy, actually, flew under the radar is very rare that it ever happens. But because the season they had I don't think he's getting the notoriety that he should be getting. But yeah, he's a hell of a player as well. Again, this this draft very defensive and you can get defensive players throughout the whole draft and get a real deal player. And so that's what makes it so exciting for me. Okay. We already talked about Williams being your favorite delighted who's your next guy that you really dig you really into on the defensive line. I mean, I I would say Josh Allen on defensive line. But like I said, I would go linebacker second. And I'd go Devon white. But yeah, man, just cute Williams, man. He's just I just think he's such a stud, and I swear every time I see him. I see Darrell Russell and Darrell Russell, unfortunately, he's not living with us anymore either. Jeez. Man, L how many people have we brought up on the podcast that don't have that aren't alive anymore. Good God to too many knows a tragedy or actually two that ended his life. Yeah. I remember him in college, man. And and why in? Got it. He he was such a man child Yip and brought the same fiery passion to the silver and black that was that was one out hurt member. Those the ones that hurt man what he was playing alongside Chesa mcglockton, man. Those to do him in Chester is kind of like, what MO Hearst him could be, you know, mo- Hurson and Clinton waves could be that that interior rush. Could just be oh, it could be nasty, but Chester, and Darryl were we're pretty awesome. Yeah. Recipes actually recipes both those guys Jesus. Yeah. Why do I keep bringing man I got a problem? I gotta quit. Okay. Got us down to me Delima in. And I I don't know if you could stand up as well. But I know I like them Hannah Montesquieu. He was good at Mississippi State. He was but a lot of what I saw from him at the combine he I I feel like he was a little stiff I felt like he wasn't comfortable. Maybe it was the setting. Why I feel like I mean, his his his forty was great. His forty was awesome. But his drills. He looked uncomfortable. He looked like he was not not comfortable with the set in. He felt like air. He looked like he was he was stiff I know. He did. Well at the senior bowl he did a really good job of the senior bowl. Jon Gruden talked about him a few times coming out of that. But I don't know. I thought as far as Mississippi State goes I thought Jonathan Simmons was the much better player, but he tours ACO recently. So he's going to obviously drop in the draft. But I thought Jonathan Simmons was the dude from Mississippi State. Character questions with him though, would Jonathan Simmons. There's big time care the guy, even though he got cleared of everything. But I mean, they're still was there still major care questions at some teams in the top half, the drop may may not work. You know, he's projected to go top fifteen, but he should be a top five God. But he was going to slip because the character questions, albeit he hasn't had those questions since he's enrolled in college that happened to senior year in college or a senior in high school. But he is it was just one of those things where it was. It was kind of. I was going to. Okay. Like, I agree. But I mean, he said, you know, what might you said you looking at sweats numbers in four one forty twenty ramps on the press thirty six nickel jump one twenty five broad jump or an twenty five hundred twenty five major brought up seven second three cone drill and four to nine shuttle. Mike those and he's got thirty five and three quarter charms at six six to sixty my eye, man. This is a guy again, I think he he's made a lot of money. He's gonna go mitt middle part of the draft. He's a guy between that again raiders trade back that out say that ten to twenty range he fits right in there. He could slide to twenty four that could be again, there there could be a guy if you wanted to go Williams and sweat now you again, you got action boss. Yeah. I would take him at the end of the first round. I just wouldn't take them early in the first round in. I know a lot of people after the combine are projected him to go super early in the first round, and I wouldn't pick him there. And again, I I was talking about Jeffrey Simmons. I don't know why Jonathan but I think everybody with Jay is Jonathan to me at this point of the day. But yeah, it was it was Jeffrey Simmons. But yeah, you bring up a lot of points about you know, what happened to him in high school. And unfortunately, like, I said, he tore his ACL. I think that's a guy who's gonna go at the end of the first round maybe early second round as well. Just because he's a hell of a player, but sweat. I'd be comfortable taking them at the end of the first round like with that twenty seven th pick. I'd be comfortable with that. I wouldn't be comfortable at like, I don't know eight or nine or or twelve or I I just I much rather get him at the end of the first round is just like I said, there are certain things that I saw him do that. I wasn't one hundred percent comfortable with. And I didn't think he was. But then again, a lot of people don't actually shine at the combine because well, they know the whole world's watching. They know all those scouts were there. They I mean, it's a different setting. They're they're not used to, you know, their surroundings. And so sometimes they get a little nervous. I get that. It's a huge job interview. So maybe at his pro day shines a little bit more. And then. Okay. That justifies him being, you know, top fifteen pick. But for me right now, I look at him. And I think the end of the first round early second round. Well, we're Sean Gary made themselves money, and he's the guy that probably can go early. Where's this project production at though, I that's a great question? And I'll say this. He's a God he'd been on record and saying he wants to play next to mow Hearst. Again, I saw that I saw that. But I will know where his his production is. I mean, look I can make the argument. I know you brought up Harbaugh. I can make the argument that Harbaugh has not only underachieved that Michigan. And if it was anybody else, they probably would have been fired. I can make the argument that. Other than maybe Devon Bush. Immo hers is well, I don't think there's been a Harbaugh guy. It's made an impact in the NFL. I think Bush will and her shows promise. But since Harbaugh has been Michigan is guys haven't made impacts in the NFL. I my Bill to agree with that. I mean, he's he's a slightly overrated. I can definitely agree that he's slightly overrated. You know, you know, you didn't really technically say that. But you know, it's kinda which meant it is cool. I I definitely understand that. And he's definitely underachieved at Michigan. But he's the best that they've had a long time. So he still putting guys into the league. That's the that's my thing. And you know, a lot of them haven't been super impact players. I'm trying to think of Michigan guy that really shined as of late Mojo's. I think has the chance to do it. I just don't know what resolved Gary is gonna do as far as like I said just just as production. Just bothers me his lack of production bothers me. I would like to see him have better numbers than he has. But he's a hell of an athlete, man. He's he's a hell of an athlete. He's. A monster. He definitely made himself some money. He's been mocked to the writers multiple ties by multiple different draft guys, including Bucky Brooks. I know he hasn't been number four overall. I just don't see him in the top four. I I just don't, but he made himself a lot of money this weekend. That's for sure. Okay. Let's move the DB's. We'll go through this pretty quickly safety. We already talked about Murphy, Baker and Williams, but safety Jonathan Abram from I believe Mississippi State. He's a guy that when you watch them on film and me coaching DVD's playing DV in high school as well as receiver but in causing platinum plan receiver, but but the coaching DVD's watching him play safety. This guy's all gas. No break takes great angles. He comes up willing to hit. He's a guy that I think. Fits the Bill today's in fill for all safeties. And he's a guy that he's a little bit of a throwback. But he's so quick. I think he's that. He's an impact I from day one on whatever team he goes to you can play free or you put him in the box. Yeah, I'm trying to think to safety that. I was I was really into I had to rewatch them earlier on Monday. I'm trying to remember who I was a big fan of timid who owed the safety. I know one safety didn't didn't participate, and he's he's the guy that I'm really into the guy from Delaware. What's his name Adderley? He did. Well at the senior bowl. I yeah. I was really I really started to turn my turn my attention to him at the senior bought thought he did a hell of a job there and got a lot of attention. And I think that's a guy that Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock may may target early second round or or or late first round as well. But that's really I think that's like the biggest safety in my mind. I know there's a the rock sin from from temple. But he's a corner, right? Yeah. Yeah. Rocky thin. Yeah. I like him to one. I love his name. I think he's awesome. I think that'd be just just a great name to be a raider. But he he's also a hell of a player. He's old Matt rule, dude. And Matt rule who's currently the head coach at Baylor. John gruden's been record and saying that he's a he was he would if he could draft Matt rule one Matt rule player every single year. He would because they got the toughness, and they know how to play. And so I think that rocky is saying would be really good as far as the corner as well. I I kind of look at him as a guy that that. I would see the see the raiders targeting at some point. I like Darnell fabrics from. Maryland and other say, jeez. Today's little smaller by five ten five eleven could play little Neko rental. He's he ran a four three three. I believe he so he can move. He's the guy that I think it watching him play because was willing to come up and hit can cover. The best pair player on Maryland's defense last year. Maybe the best player on your team. He was doing everything for him. He's the guy. But then again, you have a Carl Joseph there who the raiders reportedly will pick up his fifth year option. You have a smaller cornea may wanna have someone a little bit taller. They're right on the someone that can come a little more rangy. So I don't know how he is there. But he's the guy that I really like, and then a name that I like to say this because I've watched him in high school, and I thought USC played him out of position that quarters biggie Marshall, I think it's more of a free safety type. I think he's a little tight in the hips. But he's a playmaker the balls in the air. He's the guy that I think will move. Safety at the NFL level. And he'll be a guy that can go get the ball and go make place. I can see that. I could definitely see that. And I know he did a hell of a job at the combine on Monday and got to see him. Like, I said I had to rewatch that because I was at the job when they were actually going through the through it live, but still had to watch it, and yeah that I can see I can see that that being a scenario and that being a guy that would be ideal for the raiders to go get think they have a few options. Really? Honestly, I take depending on how the board falls. I think they have a few options of guys that would fit in that Paul Guenther mold, you know, guys, like a Reggie Nelson. That's not Reggie Nelson. You know, it's it's time to kick. Reggie Nelson down the down the street. He's the old canned that you need to kick down the street and just never bring him back. That's that's the man raider nation. Will celebrate the minute. The original sin is no longer near a silver and black uniform or locker room and Alameda or any of that that nobody wants to see Reggie Nelson anymore. So let's let's find a guy that could be that dude that Paul gutters. Looking for that guy who can make plays in center field? The guy. Who can be an eraser at the back end. And and move on from from that old cat in Reggie Nelson. Okay. So we're gonna take a quick break. Come back with our new game. And it's gonna be a new a new part of our show called factor fiction. 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And then we're going to answer questions that were sent us until you factor fishing, who we go. You're about the world where the line between fact and fiction is almost imperceptible. Unreal side by side with substances disguised as only splendens are unexplainable can separate from fantasy. Okay. Q more Garrett card. Trae talk is their car getting trading factor fix that would be fiction. Okay. I say fixing as well. With the caveat. They have to be blown away. Someone blows them away team might the giants Washington or Miami below them away with with first round pick. I'll say at least two and a second round pick this year. I see them doing it. Then unless they do that may going anywhere. That's sweet because I just figured that. No team's to go and throw a boatload of victim or a boatload of assets. Adam. And so I don't think it's any anywhere close to being a reality. That's why I called a fiction that I did it. So as a matter of factly now, let's just say hypothetically, he was traded is Nick foles the answer to come in as the starting quarterback. How would I answer that factor fiction just answer that HALE, no? I mean that is absolute fiction. If you're saying that Nichols would be the answer that is absolutely false that fiction. That is not true. Nick foles was good for a short period of time with Philadelphia and that was their run to the playoffs. He was good for short period of time at twenty eighteen he only played in five games. He played the first two games of the season. He wasn't very good and made way for Carson Wentz. Play in the last three games of the season was pretty good and let them to the playoffs. They play two games and they got bounce so yeah. Nick foles, he had his time at the shine. He won the Super Bowl. But as far as being a leader of men and being the guy to to lead this team. That's absolutely fiction by right? I would agree with that all the answer. And if you're asking the question, okay. Here's a Colin. Kaepernick of good backup to car twenty nineteen twenty seventeen. Yes. Twenty eighteen possibly twenty nineteen. Now, I think that ship has sailed, but I was on board with it. I've been on record and saying I was on board when the raiders had EJ. Emmanuel when they had CONNER cook. He was better than both those cats. I would've loved to see in the raiders go out and make that move. I know a lot of raider fans are thinking well, Michael Crabtree. Still on the on the roster. And and Colin Kaepernick and him don't get along. You don't want that distraction on all this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes. At one time. He was definitely the better quarterback. But now that he's been away from the game for so long. I think that that ship has sailed unfortunately for him. I respect what he did. And the stance that he tried to take Carlos of people that agree with it or not again do made us Akra Feis for something. He believed in and I can't I can't knock them for that. And unfortunately for him it cost him his career. But yeah, just how it goes. But yeah, I I don't I don't think now that it's a good time. I think that that ship has already sailed going back that I'm gonna tell you why. That's why because you're not getting your backup quarterback aiding where else in this draft. You're not going to go out and spend on the back of quarterback capper Nic make bodice saints. He's a mobile quarterback can get out and run. He can kinda do some of the things that Gruden wants to do with the offense. And let's be real. It'll be good PR move for the raiders in a lot of weight. He can stay in the bay area where he's where he's comfortable. He's already sewn silver and black maquis jerseys of on Nike dot com website. I think it makes a lot of safe to come in. And look you can't tell me there's thirty two better backup quarterback in the NFL. You can't tell me there's thirty two better starting quarterbacks in the NFL caso bringing him in that embattled agent McCarron, and if he beats him out go ahead. I'm all for it. If he doesn't know what then nobody can say that this. Guide Vinnie getting shot go in there. And I think the raiders be the ideal team for Colin cowherd, become in and backup. Derek carr. Because guess what? The big topic of conversation is going to be Catholic. It's going to be the raiders move is going to be the lawsuit is gonna be Las Vegas everything. Capper Nic deal with teams to distractions teams have to deal with teams called in a distraction would be fourth or fifth down the line of distractions especially for the rates. Ship has sailed. I really do. I think that his better days behind him. I agree with there's not thirty two better backup quarterbacks. But at this stage of the game. I don't know AJ McCarron. I think they like him. They actually mentioned may off and Gruden both mentioned them at their at their presses. At the combine on how often do you mention a backup quarterback at a combine? So I think that they're kind of comfortable with him. He's gonna get paid about three million dollars, which is kind of a lot of money for backup. But again, if they're comfortable with them, and they they see him as a guy that can go in and fill that void if cars out, then I'm all right with it. Again. I liked cap. I have no problem with them. I just think that ship has sailed keeping him around girl. That's just me much burger, man. I can't stand Brent Musburger ban. I'll tell you that right now. And I'm not disrespecting them. Because I understand it. He's in this field. And he's he's a hell of a guy, and he doesn't hell of a job. But he's just not a real raiders voice. He's not, you know. I mean, he's he's he's a guy who's earned his stripes. He's been that, dude. But he's just not an identity. That's identify. Viable to the raiders. But I mean, you know, well, I him Stevie NFL today with her Smith and Jimmy the Greek. But that the dating myself go their neck factor. We already talked about a little bit factor fiction and Tonio Brown to the raiders prior to the season facts, absolute fact, effect, he's prior. He's he's to the raiders prior to March seventeenth when he gets signing bonus from whatever team he's on. I would agree even after Antonio Brown talk to a different side of Tony Brown. And I think that the end of the day on Tonio Brown renders makes a ton of the raiders give a first round four Antonio Brown factor fiction. That's fiction. They should not give a first round pick. They should actually play poker game play with the poker face. And just say, we're not gonna do it not going to do at the thing. That troubles me about that. They give third round pick for Martavis Bryant who is one step away from being suspended for a year or longer. So. That kind of makes me wonder exactly how what kind of hard ball are you playing with these teams out there? You know? I mean think about this you trade a Khalil Mack. You got two first round draft picks. But then you gave up your second round draft thing. I mean, the hardball that the raiders play as far as trade's go. Isn't that great hardball? You know what I mean? So they really need to step their game up a little bit. When it comes to trade. And this is what we're willing to offer. You this all really offer you, and no you can't have this in. No, I don't care if I have three first round pick. You're not getting one. That's what they need to tell. Pittsburgh. That's what I hope they tell Pittsburgh. But I'm concerned that they might not tell them that in my opinion. It's it's fiction that they get a they give first round pick for Tonio Brown. I'm gonna go back because I'm like, we talked about earlier if you with me or any ranger fan in the country in the world in the universe last year that you basically traded Amari Cooper for Antonio Brown. Would you make everybody would say they wouldn't bat Nile ash. That's what it is using Dallas's pick twenty seven. Mcvay bringing argue the best wide receiver. And you've got to you got the capital you give them a little bit bump in pay. You keep them quiet. He comes to where one he's wanted by the coach the quarterback to he loves the quarterback, and you will highly of the coach any those gone to place in the year. That's got no state tax getting paid more. So at the end of the day. Deal because guess what that does that shows other teams you're willing to bring in guys to win every guys that are established stars who probably relationships with other superstars that wants to bring them in. So I say fact, okay factor fix it. If they do not trade for Tonio Brown. The raiders will make a trade for Odell Beckham junior fiction is gonna cost way too much capital ghetto del Beckham junior even though I think that he's a hell of a wide receiver. I think he'd be a great addition to the raiders I think that you brought up earlier him in Las Vegas is a bigger issue than it's Brown. Mas vegas. And again, I take Tonio Brown is more of a football, dude. Then Odell Beckham tune your is I go Bill Beckham junior is a deadly football player. But at the same time, he's about his brand is about I mean, they're close. They're really close. They're like a one a one b situation. But at the same time, I think that I think the Gruden will make a play for Antonio Brown and not dill. I agree. One hundred percent with you. There's no way. No, don. Jay, Don, silver and black. Okay. Next one factor fiction. Lady on Bill, we'll be open Reiter twenty nineteen fiction is fiction. He got too much weird tear on his tires. It's not something that the raiders need to bring in too much money. He's gonna want as a as a free agent. And there's just no reason to go spend all that money on him. You can go spend that money on a couple of dudes and improve your defense and your offense instead of just one position of fishing say back. They're going to bring him in seen him with Antonio Brown, and Derek Carr and the raiders will have their big three. So when they opened up the new Las Vegas stadium twenty twenty. They got being TV round car in bell ready to go cafe PNB because you know, there's no 'em in their unleaded b-actor victim marshawn Lynch comes back for the play for the raiders in twenty nineteen and they don't find lay beyond bail. I think that that's closer to. Effect than it is fiction. I think that marshawn is going to be partial to it 'cause they're playing in Oakland its way nineteen. So I think that's the only way that he would come back return. It's all about health, and it's all about comfort comfortable in this. You know is he comfortable with being retired and lighten a blunt with the Davis the Davis. You know, tribute torch. Yeah. That's other day is not gonna notice marshawn. And you know what? I mean marchant be marchant is he comfortable with being that guy? Or does he want to get back out on the field more time? So maybe maybe he wants to go out on a high note and not go out, you know, on injured reserve, so I will say that it's closer to back that fiction. So if I had to pick one I'll go with fact. Wanted to say attack fiction. I wanna say I wanna have this team b m my brother's keeper. On and on. Kepa? Yes. People. I I would love to have that are marshawn in Brown, but they could fix it. Because I think they finally Bill and they will board. Unfortunately now. Really a big question factor. Fixing the raiders are not gonna find any big name free agents. And that's according to might may off who said we want to get younger and knock it'll. Any big time free agents out say that that's a fiction. I think they'll sign at least one big time free agent in the Phil holes with the rest. I the smart money. I don't think it's it's it's smart might just go out and break the Bank on a bunch of free agents because you know, free agents are just overpriced veterans in my opinion that somehow loose from their team whether their team was ready to move on from him like the patriots a year early or two years early. Or in the Packers situation, they see a lack of production, and well, it's time to get rid of this guy move on from so, yeah, I'll say I'll say fiction, they'll sign at least one. But that's it. I would agree with that. And I'll go I think is a name to definitely keep an eye on happing landing Collins is going to have he's he's had his team. And I know I know one team in particular has really really high on him. And he's made it kind of clear that's where he would like to go in a lot of ways. But I think the raiders are going to be on that list as well. Okay. This is kind of a raider question because he is a free agent. And he kind of fits needs the last factor picking a code. Beasley of the Dow Cowboys. He's a free agent. And he says he wants twenty million guaranteed is it worth should the kick tires on him factor. I think that that's a fact I think that's a guy that job Gruden would really like I mean, I really do. I'm not a huge fan. But I know that he could put any work, and he could be very effective when necessary and and he wants to be a bigger part of the of an offense. That's why he is not going to give Dallas a hometown discount. Because now that Amari Cooper is part of the Cowboys. He's not going to be a big factor. He wasn't a big factor. He mentioned it a few times most of his production came when the play broke down, and he just happened to keep working and got open. So I think that he wants to go somewhere where he can have an impact and be a player a part of the offense and Beal of real deal part of the offense. And I think Jon Gruden is gonna really like a guy like Coby. So I think that they're definitely gonna kick the tires and at least talk to him. I don't know if they're going to offer on the money he wants. But I think that they're definitely gotta talk. I wanted the put hundred and eighty five pound running four two, and you know, bottling acting doing everything and play football and baseball living that life. By Billy wash twenty million guaranteed. I didn't have happened for him. Sorry. I don't see. The raiders added him. I go get Andy Isabela in the middle part around the same type of receiver, but wins four three out of UMass and can return punts. Bring him in its save money to go guys that they feel can be impactful now again megadeal foreign Antonio Brown or go get it leading college or a Moseley or hey, you know, what maybe go get a Earl Thomas instead of landing Collins because Earls not giving anybody hometown discount, and our twenty million URL, then I would cope easily real quick some housekeeping. We know that the raiders are staying in Oakland for twenty nineteen. That's something you said you're happy about now that it's official. Are you still on board with that? Or do you? Do you wish that that? It was something different one hundred percent on board with it being in Oakland on thrilled about that. That was my gut feeling that it was going to end up in Oakland. I'm glad that they are. I think that the the fans in Oakland deserve at least one more year. I think they've given their their hard-earned money and their their loyalty to the team in the business. But at the same time they've done that. So yeah, they deserve to have one more year. It's only seven games, and I'm thrilled for it. And I guarantee that at some point throughout the season your boy will end up at the Oakland Coliseum celebrating with the respirator nation. I think I'm gonna go this year. I know I had death threat. Dan, the whole relocation, y'all. Yeah. When the relocation thing happened, there was some people up there, and I still had them that really threatened my life and my kids lives, and yeah, it was pretty crazy. But I think I'm gonna go this year. I may go cover or I may go as a fan and sit sit somewhere, I'm not quite sure yet. But I'm definitely heading up there this year. I actually like it, and I wanna make something clear. They did get I believe in case the stadium isn't done in twenty twenty which I've been insured by Tommy why head of local eight seven two labors union that stadium is. On pace and ahead of schedule. This should be done in July of twenty twenty. But just in case they have that option to go to Oakland as well. We're staying Oakland for that extra year. But probably again is shirt me after a snow in Vegas last week twice that that he goes, Joe, we're where we're more than we were more than prepared for this. We knew what was going to happen and tweeted out with he said to me. So there's to me there's no problems with the stadium actually working the next day after snowdrift same-day snow that night there on the ground working day. So the stadium is on pace to to be done. And speaking of the stadium Cox communications signed an exclusive deal with laws stadium to be there to be there more guest or high speed provider. And and I think in that this shows I mean because there was there was a group of people that that continue that continue to say and not informed that Las Vegas doesn't have the. Corporate sponsors for stadium, which is complete false statement. And they know it and they're misleading people or they're just ill-informed and should be talking about it anyway. But this just this is the second one that that has been brought to the table. So if a tenure deal, it's not just for the stadium is also for the raiders headquarters as well. So that's huge for that's used for the stadium. Things are progressing as as you can see. And I think that you know, I think today the very first commercial for Caesar's and the NFL talking about the NFL talking about games or whatnot on the NFL network. And I think that's pretty big that's something to keep an eye on as well that as well. And that is very interesting. And I know that they have that partnership and that won't be the last one. I mean, there's going to be plenty of them. And and I think that saying that the Las Vegas don't have any kind of corporate sponsorships for they're not gonna have any corporate sponsorships is absolutely silly. It's insane. It's. It's definitely going to happen. They're going to make money hands over fist. And it's no doubt about it. And that's just somebody, you know, not willing to admit what's going on in that. It's a it's a good scenario for the raiders just because out of bitterness in spite and looked ain't no way to live your life, regardless. How you feel? I don't like the fact that the raiders are going to Vegas, but I get it. So at some point you just gotta get over it and just got to move on. And you know, hey, they deserve a nice home. And they're going to get a nice home. And I'm excited to see it. Okay. What I'm gonna do how we're gonna finish this show is I'm gonna go through a list of free agents that are scheduled to be available. Okay. Real quick you say whether yes or no. And I'm gonna say, yes or no. And then next week when we do the show next. We'll do next game next Monday, your schedule permitted. We'll be a heavy free agent show. Here's some free agents trae flowers from the patriots willy raider. Yes. Or no, no. I would agree with that. Earl thomas. No Roger Sappho the offense guard from the Rams, no. Landing Collins the safety from the giants. Let's just flip it up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. He will hot Clinton Dix from the Washington Redskins. I like him a lot. No. I don't think. So. Okay. I would agree. I would I think flowers actually, I think flowers is more likely to be a Reiter than any of the guys and hoc Clinton Dix more than anybody. But how has to go back to the form? He played at three years ago. Not the last two years where he missed a lot of tackles indomitable suit. No, no that ship has sailed on them as well. I think the raiders wanted him in two thousand eighteen but now that ship has sailed I agree Anthony Barr. man. That's really tempting that's really tempting. But he wants a lot of money. He wants a lot of de Niro, he wants a lot of fettuccini was a lot of bread. I'm gonna say, no. Yeah. I think isn't this grill somewhere else? My man Williams the receiver from the chargers, tyrod Williams tyrel. Yes. Yeah. I think you will. I think that there's a good. There's a good chance at the raiders go after him pretty hot and heavy take away from the chargers. You mentioned before and not only that he's a hell of overseas. That's kind of kind of flying under the radar unless you really pay attention to the AFC west. I agree a golden Kate. No. I would like them though. I I would like his attitude of not gonna lie. I would love his attitude and his not giving a damn about anything just his little approach. I would like that. I think that the raiders need that kind of tough on his team on the team. But I I don't think that they're going to bring him in as well. I will say no because for two reasons one dislodge was price tag is going to be enormous this year for guys like take productive and to be. I love his attitude on the field, keep your wives and girlfriends away in the locker room, and so that after to me is a hard task Randall cop, he's he's banged up in two injured. And you know, what I mean? Like, he no, no raiders definitely pass on him. I'm gonna say, yes. And he'll come in as a receiver. If they don't pick up a slot receiver. He's the type of guy that can get open at five sit down in zones. And third on on third down. He's worked with Edgar Bennett Jordy Nelson's there. I think that would be a really good fit for a year the one year with the second year option, you know, type team option, or, you know, you know, type deal that they Nelson. I think it's going to be I'll I'll do the same thing with codified with them lamarcus Joyner. He's a hell of a safety, man. He's gonna be looking for a big time paid as well. So I'm gonna have to pass on that one. Yeah. I I agree. I again, I've talked about earlier I think that when you look at the raiders already have a smaller type safety and Carl Joseph lamarcus Joyner is only five eight he's a new he's the Honey badger type nickel type guy they need length and on the back end if they're gonna keep Joseph enough, you're like they want to Dante Fowler from the Rams no don't they get a pass on him. I don't think he's ever gonna live to the hype. When he was drafted the expectations at the Jaguars had on them when they took him third overall. I just don't I just don't see it. I know you had a little bit of production with the Rams, but that was a little bit of production with the Rams I think he stays in LA for another year or two I think again short-term deal. I think somebody breaks the Bank form this year. And I don't think it's the raiders. I don't think it's the ramps, and let's another one year prove deal that'd be the type of what he stays John Brown from the cardinals the wide receiver. No, I think they pass on him as well. I think that he's a good down the field stretch guy. He can stretch the field quite a bit. But I think they pass on him. I agree Mr. ammos from the bears man. I think that the bears are going to wanna sign him resign him, even though there's kinda strapped for money. But I'm going to say that he ends up saying Chicago. So no, I think that he's going to his agents can attest the market because he knows the bears strapper cast and you got teams like the raiders like the giants like the Redskins like the Packers. Those are teams that are going to need another safety. And I think he fits well with all of those teams, I could see him. Leaving it. I see him playing for the raiders trae Boston. No now pass on him. I agree and Muhammed Wilkerson from the Packers. And I'm hearing just so, you know, I'm hearing that they're working on a deal another one deal. But right now, he is still scheduled to be a free agent. Yeah. The staying in Green Bay I kind of was intrigued by him when he was a member of the jets. But after he left and went to the Packers not that. He did anything wrong. I kind of feel like all right? That was in. I'm not really inter- interested in them. Now. I think that the raiders can go in and increase that that a d line through the draft to worry about freezing. I agree. I don't think he means his former team, but I do think he'd be excellent. If he were come available so men long show today show stood up to shows for everybody. Yeah. Lots of fun, man. Lots of fun. We always hammer these out, and and they're very long, but they're very fun that very informative on. No get a lot of reaction on Twitter and a lot of folks feeling them. So definitely. Appreciate that. But yet meant any chance we get to talk some some raiders, man. You know, I'm always down. 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Full Show - Zeke's deal, Odell belongs, Rodgers + LaFleur, Wentz motivation, Murray's Cardinals?
"They are brought to open a first things first some general hall of Fame Chris Carter This right here is nick ride somehow some way we made it to Friday and we have a fantastic show for day because football football is in full effect training camps all over Aaron Rodgers thinks is packers are being overlooked Baker Mayfield and OBI J. or already looking pretty good together in Cleveland. Wait till you see some of the action from yesterday but we start start the program with the most scrutinized flight manifest yesterday that of the Dallas Cowboys most of the team boarded a plane from Dallas to Oxnard California side of the Cowboys Training Camp One notable absentee Ezekiel Ezekiel Elliott so much taught the last couple of days about whether he'd be a hold out or not as awaits a contract extension believe was a no show yesterday on that plane now. He's still has the opportunity to show up today in order to officially avoid a holdout but Chris. I'll start with you. What do you make of Ezekiel Elliott not being on the team playing? I don't make anything of him not being on the plane because the option of him not traveling with the team providing your own transportation getting there a number of players always are going to take that option but with the fact that of a potential hold out that he's not happy with his contract the flight it's not a big deal. It's what he decides to do. He's got two options. Hey the not show up to camp in state firm to his two to one in a new deal or he can go to camp and tell them I'm not going to participate in the Games because I don't want to jeopardize or get hurt. He wasn't GonNa play that much in the preseason anyway but your teammates respect that more so the teammates aren't going to say anything about you hold now but they really respect you being. They're getting the work in because you're not sitting the team up in yourself up for disappointments supposedly that first month to season if you missed all that time but as far as missing flight it's not required for him to be there because the conversations have been begin to escalate the rumor that he might not show up that makes it a bigger deal but for the players and for me and what I want what I think Zeke's Zeke's going to do. It's not a big deal so I'm really glad you brought up the teammates and how they're going to react to what Zeke decides to do either in not showing up showing up letting the team no. I'm not complaining the preseason games right suppose it might be on the board. Maybe the least likely is non show beautiful. Go whatever you need for me. I trust gets done in that. Typically players. Don't count other players money. They know listen. It's a business but there are two guys players. No No let me curriculum players count of the players money you just not supposed to talk about it. Okay Fair enough so that that might be the better way to they don't publicly count other players money even if in their own head they've they know what the scoreboard says Daqing Amari the team have has publicly said those guys have to get new deals and are getting new deal stack in Amari both only of one year left on their deals Zeke's got to and deck unlike Amaury and unlike Zeke was not a first round pick and has never never been paid Dak Prescott has made less than three and a half million dollars in his entire football career that is less money than Zeke is scheduled to make this season on a contract that he thinks has him underpaid so these guys have seemed very close since they were drafted together they have been the keep Isa's of this new era of Cowboy football and deck. I'm sure is expecting a contract himself before that first game of the year against the New York giants I do find it interesting potential locker room politics even if they're able to keep it quiet happen if Zeke attempts to cut the line almost we're amores got one year left. DAX got one year left and has never been paid. He's got two years Zeke's. He's got two years left and was the top five bic so he is. He might not be being paid what he feels. He's worth but he is still even under his rookie deal. One of the ten highest paid players on that football team he makes more money than Dak Prescott and Dak Prescott Never Vermeille any real money so that is something to meet you watch the football part of it we know the cowboys without Zeke to me they go from fringe Super Bowl contender to fringe if at best playoff contender but also how how this affects the Locker Room Win Zeke with two years left tries to go to the head of the line as far as getting a new deal and it's interesting because a lot of players were already interviewed about him not being on the plane. Almost everyone said it's not a distraction whatever it as it is whether that's the truth or whether that's just everyone sort of giving the team motto APP but why would he show up for camp but not be on the plane. What's the message that that sends if he's going to show up whether he plays in games or not? Why would you not not be on the plane for one we you know we assumed that he was going to take the flight the way he's done his rookie year his second year no? We don't know that the only reason why we're making a big deal with the flight is because he talked about his contract so now we're GONNA make a big deal about the flight besides that who else was on the plane who else was missing from the question is for people that haven't reported to training camp and you you explain this a bit before the show. It is the deal so let's just say Zeke had already gotten his new deal. You said he's still might not take the flight and you were saying to this not required and because it's not mandatory to everyone fly with the team right. They don't have the typical training camp situation where they're in California in their home base. Is there in Dallas so they have been doing this for years. They just moved to Oxnard the players have had the option source traveling with the team. They'll provide that which they must or you can go by yourself but you were saying before the show one of the reasons you might travel by yourself because you can as simple as you can. Bring more stuff. You can bring more personal items right like there's a lot of things that we probably don't. We add a little palace intrigue to everything here because there is the contract talks looming. I hadn't even thought about it's just easier to bring the stuff you want. If you WANNA bring your own personal mattress liked to training camp but if you want your car their car shipped or you have someone driving up do something like that just simple so so those types of almost just logistical reasons for it but the other element for the cowboys is usually win. A player holds holds out as potentially holding up as the player and management. There's the middleman here might be Jason Garrett and the reason bring that up is Jason Guarantee and get no contract extension either Jason Garretta's going into the final year of his deal chasing Garrett and his future with the Dallas cowboys he knows this is a critical season for him. Maybe the most critical season he's add since the year before they went twelve and four when he was firmly on the hot seat after a few eight seasons so oh I do wonder if Zeke doesn't show up if Jason Garin has a conversation with Steven Jones about listen what's happening here. What do we think is how this is going to end because he knows with no Zeke? This cowboy scene can't reach its full potential and if they don't do that he probably won't be that go to the cowboys this time next season all right well. There's a lot to get to here. We'll have Bart Scott out in a little bit other. Jason Garrett seems like he's been on the hot seat for the last four or five years. Take a break coming up much more football. Hey are Aaron Rodgers in the packers underdogs this year. That's next on first things first. That's is next and you can always check us out on the Fox sports channel on Siriusxm. We're back right after this spurs. We'll talk me. Rogers offers a second but I anthony rundown backhands the grand or down the third best line in throws that right now top you a fallen into foul territory great throw their we saw one of these the other day guy was running slow motion in quicksand. He had a guy that could move move out become an irregular on but first high school basketball Halloween. Tim Prep junior guard Jimmy Gatwick to in the under both legs dunk during the game Jimmy now you can't be doing this is one of the NASTIEST NASTIEST inning game dunks. I've ever seen class at twenty so we he puts it in his million years old. Maybe goes up under his thighs. Oh that's that's amazing. What's hang time and someone sent me any other videos? This kid is a leaper all right here we go N._F._l.. Training Camp Underway Arizona Cardinals air raid offense cuyler Murray to Larry Fitzgerald for the one handed catch while falling out of bounds guys see I hate eight the ribbon part Kylie. GotTa Stop Patting the ball. He starts off to his left. He didn't like the guy over there. Then he comes back to the right throws. One the fitzgerald the DB missed it. The balls behind intercepted Larry makes a spectacular at the part. We should to focus on fitzy in what is this year thirty four and my boss is telling me Chris. What do you see? That's what I see here. WE GO CLEVELAND BROWNS O._B.. J. Spectacular catch on the sideline made a bunch of these yesterday we were seeing these videos tweeted out by people who practiced by the browns he gets both feet and a knee and bounds happy be precise route running building chemistry exciting things happening in Cleveland. You could see someone interviews. They were doing yesterday today him and Jarvis Landry Bill doing what they've been doing since they were kids. Freddie Kitchens to excite man not only did the Boston Celtics win the N._B._A.. Finals in Nineteen ninety-six but queen size mattress was only one hundred sixty nine dollars though Larry Bird is no longer playing mattress firm is making sure the eighties are still represented during mattress firm's flashback sale you can save up to four hundred dollars on throwback deal suitable for the sleep hall of fame score and updated bed for a price in the past in start sleeping like one of the pros excitement is building for the start of football in green bay is season Aaron Rodgers is healthy and motivated packers avenue head coach and Matt Leflore and after two days of training camp. They were seemingly no tension between the two Aaron says why should there be the relationship is growing in the two or friends however he says adjusting to a new coach. We'll take some time a lot of times. When you have a coaching change you have to go through the struggles those of you know learning and starting over almost but I think what Brian has done with our our roster and the guys that we have coming back? I think we have a chance to compete and again. We're in a good spot too because nobody's talking about us. You know some of the the most dangerous teams teams I thought from our years or when everybody's talking about every other team out there except for us and we can kind of <hes> come in her own pace and surprise people in the beginning Chris when you look at what the packers have when you look at the coaching you look at the quarterback and then you see how they're gonNA fill in all the pieces. What do you think the biggest key to success for? Both the quarterback in the coach will be this season well. I address Aaron what he's saying. The reason why people aren't talking about them the way they are some other teams is because he's been hurt and with him being hurt. They are not a playoff team. They are an afterthought in N._F._l.. Under the previous regime because they didn't have a defense it was capable of stopping a nose bleed and they didn't have an offense that was capable. They were doing anything without Aaron. Rodgers playing spectacularly so air. You got to take some of that. Blame yourself being nicked up the last two seasons. That's the reason why now the excitement should be. They've changed their defensive personnel personnel. They've changed from a forty three to thirty four. You can believe they're going to be more physical. They're going to get after the quarterback they got tremendous amount of draft capital invest in their secondary which I believe is going to surprise some people so it's the different Green Bay team. They're gonNA play different style. They're going to be a little more rugged so they can win. Games not just Aaron Rodgers making comebacks throwing hail Marys late in Games. They have a variance they have other pitches they can throw and I believe from an offensive standpoint. They'RE GONNA try to get some type of running game to support Aaron Rodgers which they've never done on a consistent basis so those are the things I'll be looking at when I'm watching the packers when they surprise because that defense should it'd be a lot better than has been and it will be a lot more physical the overall attitude that they're putting out there. I believe that's what people will see. We've talked out the offseason that for the packers to get back to where a lot of you think they should be every year which is super bowl contender gender. They are going to have to have a much better defense than they've had the last few years but to Chris's point they are not in the game without Aaron Rodgers being great and the last year Aaron Rodgers was great was twenty sixteen. He individually is not had had by his standards are really by today's quarterbacking standard day great season since 2016 not coincidentally that's last year he was healthy in two thousand seventeen. They were foreign one going into that Minnesota game and on the first I offense of drive of the Game Anthony Barr falls on him pops his collarbone and that season is over it was a rap from that moment forward last year and this was underrated during the season. He suffered a knee injury in the first game of the a year against Chicago. I thought he was done for the season when he got injured. It looked like he thought he has done for at least a couple months when he was going off the field so just despondent and upset now he came back they win the game handled old great. They win the game against Chicago and I think that made people think oh he must be fine. We saw in his play over the next couple months. He wasn't fine. He couldn't role to one direction. I don't remember which what it was part of. His greatness has been as ability a roll out of pocket and make plays on the run that was totally removed from his game. He all of a sudden threw the ball way more than any quarterback in football because he was not able to escape and they had a bad season so the first keys Aaron Roger staying healthy like the that gets them in the game now to win. The game is the defense. is them having a better running game and I. It's really interesting this year. See you've talked about it for. I feel like eight months. It's the N._F._L.'s one hundred season they are starting hundred season with not the super bowl champs but the oldest rivalry green bay against to Chicago the team. They started with last year where Aaron got hurt. This will be on Thursday night. Football like it's an opportunity to start fresh new head coach coach knew everything but he his ability to play not just all sixteen but a healthy sixteen is the most important part for their seasons last two years it has not happened and that's why they've been out of the playoffs the last two so if he's healthy and they've short up this team is as best they can before the season starts than the big question that all the media is going to be hounding everybody on is the relationship between Aaron Rodgers and obviously met leflore amount leflore came out yesterday said the last thing we ever want to do send a quarterback out there who is uncomfortable trouble with what they're doing. Is that leflore maybe deferring a little bit to Aaron Rodgers Saint Okay. We had a lot of off season stuff but when it actually get started. I know you know what you're doing. Is that is that it was sort of respect move on his part. Because how important is that relationship going to be to their success. KOMO LEFLORE has enough confidence in itself and the reason why the front office hired him because they thought he can hear handle Aaron Rodgers. He's talking about just like he would talk any other quarterback. Even if you had a rookie quarterback he would be telling us it is not in our best interest to send the quarterback out there with things he's not comfortable with. That's his job to get the quarterback comfortable with the things that they like not the things that just he likes not the things the coordinator lights but a combination a collaboration. That's the best offenses offenses in the league the quarterback their personnel being considered in the coaches coming up with the plan and I believe that Matt will do this a little side no Aaron said in their Matt Ni- our friend I was I played a long time and lead. I wouldn't friends with known the coaches now my my teammates in Minnesota used to tease me and say that I was sitting Ryan Ryan Son Danny Green Son and in Buddy Ryan we had in Philadelphia. There was a group of guys that they were buddies. Guys and I was one of those guys but you see cut me still have won the guys who still get cut so but I've never been friends none of the coaches. I'm telling you even guys who I had played with once. They went over to coaches. I wouldn't friends with them. It's just an interesting choice of words. Aaron said me and Matt are free thing. It's more than interesting and I think I'm glad you keyed you because it keeps me as well to me it. It isn't a beneficial position to be able to say I'm friends with my boss. It's to me a bit of a power move in a way that like hey we're going to talk to each other not like boss subordinate but like France and how to talk they don't take orders they discuss things and and so I think Aaron while I'm not trying to read too much into it I found it interesting as well that Aaron saying listen Matenaer friends and so we'll be able to go oh through these types of things. I don't think it necessarily bad but I also think when it's a rookie head coach and a young head coach and your Aaron bleeping Rogers it is yeah we're buddies and so yeah like buddies to 'cause you're concerned with the packers these these little flora's assist them. He knows that is a system very different from what Aaron's used to doing pre-snap used to doing throughout his career it seems to have control wants control at the line and that sort of pets ways and he probably should have a lot of control of the line but when when you phrase it as hey this my friend we'll discuss it. It might remove some of the agency from the head coach in that regard. I used to have a wide receiver coach and I used to run around a certain way and then the guy behind me with no experience young a young guy. He tried to run the route the same way coach when I'm correct them said don't rent that when he said well I was watching Chris and that's crazy. Chris can do that. He can do it in pressure. He can do it on the road. He can do it clockwork. He said you won't do that against bumping run. You won't build a break rick that angle like that and the reason why coach let me do it. That way. Compared everyone else was I was only one who could do that. When you get someone like Aaron Rodgers? You have a certain set of rules principalities. These are the things were set on and then you see a guy do something. That's a coach's job. The kids job is to get the coach attention do something he's never seen then. It's the coach's job to get that player back in that same situation to repeat that harness and that's what they will do. They will collaborate on this it. It doesn't make sense to have someone like Aaron Rodgers and think you can call a better play in your headset on the sideline then Aaron Rodgers all experience he should have the same latitudes the best players in this game have to build change to play and get into instant compared to going on the sideline looking at the computers and everything and make an adjustment all right. We'll have to see this on plays out so let's take a break head to another team. After this coming up are the steelers making mistake committing to Mike Tomlin longterm not many Tim long-term Spurs on Wednesday. Some of soccer's biggest names including Wayne Rooney ins let tiny Brima vich join forces tobacco less. Let's go in the in the M._l._S. all-star gaming catchy action seven thirty the eastern on F._M.. One and the Fox sports APP time now for say this Summer Josh Norman went running with the Bulls in Spain a daring feet for fearless player his head coach J. Gruden was asked about it yesterday. Say What Josh Norman jumped over a bowl your thoughts on that yeah well. I knew the ball wouldn't hit him. He's he avoids contact just can't he. Josh Gosh that's good joke. That was funny. He's a good joke for for into the show Jay Gruden. It's a good job but the truth to the matter. It's not josh norm no because Josh will come up in tackle you yeah he is one ended the better tackling corners and we'll force you to fumbled a ball is always around that football. He's not to continue the analogy is not an old lay corner. He will actually go and get in your face absolutely but Jay groome man his seats awful hot right now J. Rooney he he needs good season either from Haskins Judas Guide case keenum somebody who ever starting quarterback there and Josh knowing these worry about his left tackle. Oh Yeah Stores Start Your morning big news editor Dallas Ezekiel Elliott did. OP Board the team playing to training camp yesterday he does have until this morning to report before officially becoming a holdout nick. How do you expect this to play out? This is a really tough one. I think the smartest move would be for Zeke to take curses advice which which is to show up but let them know playing in the preseason games if I had to make a prediction it's that Zeke won't be there today. I don't know if reading along gated hold out but he knows he's got jump a couple people in the line to get paid Dak Inamori or next on their list. I he wants to be next on their list. This could be tough for Dallas with their best arguably most important player well. He's their best player now is he the number one priority in Jerry Jones and Steven Jones. They're going to have to let Zach not because man I wouldn't play this year. If I was given the other money they have to dole out I I wouldn't play. I go to training camp. Let them know I'm not playing. They give a quarterback twenty five million. I'm a lot buried him. They give me give Amari Cooper fifteen to eighteen million. I'm I'm better than him. Yeah jumped the line but there's a reason why because I'm the most talented guy you got here. I am your quarterback. You know season without me if I give her. You'll see we talk about Aaron Rodgers by get hurt. I'm Aaron Rodgers. Here are season's over with that's what I would hold hold firm. Today I move onto the Cleveland browns. They opened up camp yesterday just came out so they'll loved every second of his shined. Making some signature spectacular catches spectrum said quote. I feel like I belong see. Was this a precursor curve. What's to come? Oh No. This is going to be exciting. This is not hype here. We got one of the most talented young quarterbacks in Baker Mayfield and we got already season under his belt is not as if he just got drafted like cuyler. All this mystery you know Baker Mayfield is here to stay Odell. Beckham is one of the most exciting receivers that we have in the league. I given everything else they have on that offense. It's going to be excited. They should be a top five offense. If third not a lot of things have gone wrong the browns I verdict or you're going to join the Patriots in the cowboys as one of the three most disgust teams in football because they're going to be really good and they're going to be really interesting because Odell. I say this in a friendly way. He's a little crazy bakers a little different they got enormous enormous personalities enormous expectations first time in forever in Cleveland and I think they're going to have a lot of really cool highlights like this one. I think we'll be talking about the Cleveland browns almost every day this season. I'm moving on to Arizona now. First overall all pick collar Murray started his first training camp yesterday cardinals putting all their stock in Murray after trading away last year's first round pick and Josh Rosen Murray said it's his job to make people believe in the cardinals new offense nick will cuyler dollar-based success from the start in this league. Jimmy very very difficult given the talent that's around him that the offensive line that was the far and away the worst football last year. I am rooting for him and one thing I do think he is working in his favor man. I don't think anyone has said cuyler other Murray's name outside of the State of Arizona last three months he went number-one pick of the draft. We talked only up to the draft and now not a lot of noise not a lot of hype in not I feel like that helps him as he tries to do something no one's ever done which the star quarterback at that size in this league. It'd get quiet until those first preseason games. There's a number of problems this offense as head pass protection air rate was not very good as far as getting guys into space when they take away your main aim receiver they weren't very good at this not only cuyler but cliff Kingsbury they will be under the microscope. Come Week number one in the preseason because I believe N._F._l.. Teams they going blitz him early not typically what they do in the preseason going to blitzer young quarterback I finally New Orleans Wider Saver Michael. Thomas did not report a training camp yesterday. He and the Saints Aren contract negotiations but have not agreed to terms yet see you surprise. Thomas wasn't at Camp Camp. No I'm not surprised the saints only have a little bit of money and they've had issues with players in the past wide receiver they decided instead of extended Michael Thomas Brandin cooks training cooks. They trade him away. He was the best receive and he was the first round pick you would think Sean Payton would have built he was going to build on that because drew was gonNA play drew. They weren't just up and giving drew money. Drew had some issues as far as getting paid are there and Michael Autonomous says the second rounder he has outperformed that contract. There's no way that he should be there. I believe who's asking prices about eighteen to twenty million dollars and I believe that this might take a long time for them to come up with that type. Hi petits listen. This is the most reasonable and rational hold out anyone could possibly have this is a player who was not taken in the first round has made in his career. A total of four million dollars is scheduled to make one one million dollars. This year who is three years in the N._F._l.. Has Gone Ninety two for eleven hundred one hundred four for twelve fifty hundred twenty-five for fourteen hundred while scoring twenty three touchdowns he has been extraordinary. He has been available. He has been low maintenance. He's been an enormous part of the saint success the last two seasons and he's never been paid accordingly so you would be paying for not only past performance but a player who is only gotten better each year and you assume excellent future performance. He doesn't doesn't have a fit because he's not a first round. Pick also mind no fifth year option on his deal so this is the last year of his contract. If he doesn't get a new deal now they could potentially franchise tag him so I totally bored almost all players and getting their money any but this one also makes a ton of sense. It's not a Melvin Gordon situation where you're like. Are you biting off a little more than you can chew year. He has been great and he's never been paid. He's never been one of the top seventy five highest paid receivers in the League even the last couple years he's been and arguably a top five receiver. We think he's GonNa get paid. This is probably going to work itself out assuming he does get paid and he does rejoin team. Do you think this is the saints team that can finally break through this year and win the Super Bowl. I mean the last two years they were good enough to win. They had to Miracle Minneapolis Annapolis. We had the bad call last year. They're playing at home Sean Payton. I believe it's still underrated as a coach. Drew brees still haven't won M._V._p.. Has won the Super Bowl would like to build get another one as he approaches retirement. This is a good good football team that defensively last couple years they've gotten better they are definitely suppo content and they spent remember. They traded an extra first round pick to move up in the draft to get a pass rusher. That's a win right now move when they did that. People taught during the draft I remember Oh. The only way you trade to first round picks is to go get a quarterback. NO THEY WANNA win right now out. They don't have the reason Thomas is so important to your question because yes I think fully Lt Saints Team is one of the four best teams in football ball in my mind without question but they don't have an abundance of playmakers they lost Mark Ingram so they're gonna be Lino and Alvin Kamara more chimeras an excellent dual threat running back and Michael Thomas we've talked about it's an excellent wide receiver but without him. I'm all of a sudden. It's like wait Ted gain in what does this year fifteen ted ginn. It feels like Trae Kwan Smith like all of a sudden the punch from that offense is removed so yes they absolutely could win the super bowl this year if they get Michael Thomas in the fold if they don't teams will focus on stopping Chimera and dare the other guys to beat them. He's wildly important another reason to hold out makes and Michael. Thomas appreciates his development there. He's got a great receiver coach. It's got a great head coach Sean Payton Layton and that system fit him they move him all around they put him in the slot. They weren't all different types of combination to be able to get him open so he's not a system player but that's system fits him perfectly all right. Let's move onto the Pittsburgh steelers. Now they extended head coach. Mike Tomlin's contract one season keeping in through twenty twenty one that team looking for a little stability after a tough year in which they not only missed the playoffs for the first time since two thousand thirteen they lost both Antonio Brown latium bell to the best offense of weapons in Football Tomlin entering his thirteenth season with Pittsburgh. He's reached the playoffs eight times and that's fan. See what's your reaction to the one year extension that Tom Linda. I couldn't understand the one year extension when they went out signed been to on Extension Tomlinson extension. We had to question with men. This has been Roethlisberger's team with organization. Let you know this organization. It's still Mike Tomlin Ben Rothlisberger so the voice of Mike Tomlin should be just as loud and just of effective or more effective. It's been the last couple years because his message to me was damaged going to the players based on the behavior of some of the star players because if you're a star you undermine the coach every time you do something Bizet distraction action because the coaches warned us Mike Tomlin lays it out maps it out week after week day after day. How guys should act how to be a good teammate how to be a good player in this league? How how how have longevity in this league and we have seen countless number of times the Pittsburgh steelers from variety of different sources that undermines the coaches authority and now this off season they gave been the extension that he wanted traded A.? B. Off to the raiders allow L. Bell to leave and free agency. See there with the jets so now the leaders this team are been and Mike Tomlin into me. This just gives Mike Tomlin. He's he can have that strong voice that he's had in that locker room because he's got several years guaranteed not into players and locker room in the coach is in that lame duck status guy start making professional decision and they start saying is he doing what's best for for my career or is he doing what's best for here's career career and they begin to question and engineer before the show we talked you were a little curious about why only one year extension and I think the steelers trying to thread the needle here. They didn't have to give me an extension because he wouldn't have been a lame duck yet. He had two years left on his deal so they give him the security of the the extra year it also lines up conveniently with the expiration of been rob was burs contract. They now have the coach and the quarterback under contract for the next three years but it's also it's not a to it does it doesn't add two or three years to his contract because even though the steelers have been more stable at coach than any team in sports history knoll cower Tomlin that covers what fifty five years of steeler steeler coach since nineteen sixty nine so I mean they have been as consistent that spot spot as any team we've ever seen they also saw what just happened in Green Bay which is Mike McCarthy. A guy who has almost identical resume Tomlin Tomlin's been to one more super bowl but they both one one they McCarthy thirteen years one hundred twenty-five Wins Nine playoff appearances Tomlin twelve years one hundred twenty five one eight playoff appearances but they had back to back down years in Green Bay and they decided to move on last year was down here by the Pittsburgh steelers standards. Even though they won the they had a winning record. He missed the playoffs for the first time in five years. I don't think I think Tomlin can survive a bad year this year. I'd only survive a couple of them and so he now has the security where they don't have to worry about a contract extension after next season but there's a big year for him and for Ben Deceive there's going to be a third act to Ben Rothlisberger. 's career on the back end similar the way there's been one for Brady and breeze and we think there will be one for Philip Rivers Stacy. How important is it for for a veteran player? A guy like Ben Rothlisberger to have at least some stability at head coach especially when he went knee lost two guys on his offense. Would that have been something to if things were going on with you and Randy. Would you have wanted Danny Green to still be there. Does that affect a veteran player in any way. There is no doubt I mean the system. You're so familiar with it the the things that the coach has allowed you to do so. You don't have to learn a new system. Don't have to learn his way. I I knew Danny Green. If even if I was running a little bit late to me now is always the last person to me and then he would always check my seat before he would start and it wasn't it. I was running late. I was stay in the locker room to make sure the guys weren't late because I know dinning if he sees me in their he'll start why would and I want to start all over again. All these new things that I had to learn. I remember my buddy <hes> Troy Vincent he was there. The first day Jimmy Johnson took over with the dolphins and he happened to be running on time troy called Jimmy Johnson shut the door on they started meeting. Joy was outside and everything and I gotta learn this new Jimmy Johnson way now. They weren't GonNa cut him in everything but there's a lot of little things that the coaches have in their system and once you know those is a veteran player. We're trying to learn a new coach trying to learn a new system to approve in winter. Mike Tomlin is a rare every one of five twelve scenes in the N._F._l.. Never had a losing season or we're going into our hundred season. One of five I would say is pretty good. Mike Tomlin has been a good football coach but the optics the last two years do not fit his brand in your face a disciplinarian tough defense. That's what they need to get back to and that's what I believe they're going tried to do your last season in Minnesota was that Denny's last year or he coach one year. After you know that was that was it and I you and I in this is no disrespect of the coach who took over for Danny Green but I you were still under contract you at I think was six million dollars. You could have made if you would come back another year and I. I wonder if Dinnie Green would have been there longer. If you would have said okay I can hold out one more season or if the change at the coaching position was one of things it's like what has changed. Is Everything okay. I didn't WanNA speak for you would and so four Big Ben. We've heard a lot of conflict with Big Ben in this team. We haven't heard much of Big Ben and Tomlin rancher Tomlin gets annoyed a little bit the radio and coaches you work together long enough. There are things people do that annoy you but they seem to have a really good working relationship. I'm sure Ben is happy to know that his coach is under contract for as long as he's under contract. You guys would love Mike. Tom Knew would love playing for him but just over over the last couple of years. The personalities have gotten so strong that Mike Tomlin has taken a hit. He is a good football coach. He knows his XS and os and he's great with the guys on the one on treating them different. You know so Mike Tomlin the last couple were years. He's gotten the batteries a better football coach than what they've the product that they put on the field. Let's take a break coming up couldn't Ezekiel Elliott holdout derail the cowboy season before it even starts. That's still ahead on first things. First First Linebacker Bart Scott joins the conversation. He's earned dream in what up man what to do. Don't worry closeness on us all black men and lotion in summer. No Mix listen man. I'm no word about how you can come in and ruin the show. Don't ruin dinners vocabulary by treats all these little things that's going to get no no no zip you go general listen. No you there. Let's let's talk. I made the tutorial. Let's talk about the Arizona cardinals part first overall pick Kyla Murray starting his first training camp yesterday cuyler new coach Clip Kingsbury. We'll try and bring a new look high flying offense to the League Murray was asked about this new offense and why he thinks it'll work in the N._F._l.. I don't see why everybody thinks it can't be successful. It's just like any other offense. It's an office we work at it. We practice it and so I drive to execute it. If we don't then it won't will be successful but if we do like I said I mean I feel like you know works at the college level see why couldn't work at the pro level so as our job to make people believe in that part you trust that cuyler kingsborough be successful in the N._F._l.. Well I think there'll be successful. Initially I want to see how they adjusted. Adjustment we saw Lamar Jackson last year coming out and taking the League by storm before the chargers came on and put the more athletic pieces out there. I'm I'm excited because he's a little a little different. Than what Lamar Jackson is. You talk about in college over sixty nine percent completion rate only seven interceptions you know that he can make great decisions with the ball and unlike R._G.. Three and Lamar Jackson he's not so skinny the in thinned-out I worry about taking Har- contact even though he's you know he's only two hundred five pounds. That's pretty big bigger than Darren sproles than somebody. That's accustomed to taking hit so I don't worry about his health but I WANNA see. How can he adjusted adjustment? You know he's a guy. I think it's mislabeled at times. I understand that you have trouble protecting the passer but when you had the R._P._O.. Type of system that's a way to really call Paul's between a defensive end in a pass rushers to buy yourself more time when you don't have a great offense wine so I don't think people worry about his his thickness if you will I think they believe he can. He is positioned to be able to handle the general punishment of the N._F._l.. Worry is his height and the worry areas his height combined with an offense that has been very successful to collegiate level but we've never seen what cliff Kingsbury is going to try to do at the pro level so it's two different things that will be as Chris Likes to make fun of me for saying one of one N._F._l.. History sorry this offense come into the League and working and a quarterback this size come to the league and working now. Maybe in order for one to work. You need the other maybe in order for kings merge offense to work. You need a quarterback like this which is why they moved off. Josh Rosen after training three picks in up to move into the higher the first round to go get him the other part about Murray though that I do think is a bit of a misnomer in very different than Lamar and much more like Russell Wilson. Is this he in college. He would have been an elite player with zero yards rushing that was the Lamar had some had good passing numbers but he won the heisman because he was such a dual threat Russell Wilson at N._C.. State and it was Kansin made great plays with his legs but was an elite leap passer cuyler just passing numbers. He broke bakers record of all time college quarterback efficiency rating. He was a spectacular passer under Lincoln Riley so I don't think he's going to have to run around a ton to be successful in the N._F._l.. The question and the concern for me going into the process and still is can the guy who's five nine and a half play in the pocket in this league when we've never seen it happen when we know that what he's going to have to do to be successful will the one one thing that he has that no other five nine guy has he has the arm town of a six four troy aikman six five quarterback he has that type of armed talent the thing that did this to concerns that I have number someone coming from Oklahoma just like Baker Mayfield and Baker was he got lucky because he went to a team that had a decent offensive line in the Cleveland Browns Best Offensive Line in College football last year Oklahoma sooners so that five nine in guy sat behind a massive offense of line and they they've been very good offensive line to last several years. The region writer quarterbacks have played. There's only cardinals Bra. Their offensive line is awful is awful <music>. I'm concerned that he is going to be running for his life. Because of the offensive line he's going to have to and I do remember and I'm not trying to make this comparison so just listen to me in here me because I'm trying to work this dolled out member when they had the wildcat Bart Art and there were certain problems present it to the defense we destroyed it you destroyed and that's why I brought it up with you on the program because the wildcat couldn't present another option as far as throwing the football and when they put all those people at the line China scrimmage they didn't make them play pay the air rate offense has not been great at pass protection so who is helping cliff Kingsbury changed these multiple past protections so you can protect that quarterback and in that offense in college its predicate on the Hash Mark and the Hash marks are so much wider you can out athletic people in College. You can give a guy sideways the ball in space and he can make some happen. You can't do that in the N._F._l.. Because they're too quick and and they the ball is in the middle of the field so I need to see what are the answers to what people are going to do because they give him up man right. They're getting ready to blitz him in the pocket and when they get those answers I do believe they have a chance to be successful but if they don't queensberry going back with that Nice move here college some see but here's the differs in you know while we were able to defeat the wildcat you know a lot of times ran through Ronnie Brown and he was a guy that we knew wasn't a threat to throw the ball so. When a quarterback is efficient he can run the ball? Now it's eleven on eleven because usually is eleven team because once a quarterback hands the ball off he becomes a spectator. I'm not concerned with him as far as being able to throw the ball and bat impasse bad it because he was one of the best at that and not getting his ball bat he has overtop delivery doesn't have a sidearm delivery leg Lamar Jackson not like even some of the Taller quarterbacks that have come in and he's always been that height and understanding happened to defend Michael Vick and being one or two teams that have some of the best excess us against Michael Vick. We understand that short quarterbacks throat the windows but the same windows Heathrow through it's the same one that he runs through so what defense are going to try to do a sturdy pocketing destroyed the view distort the view so he can't have clear views to see where that guys is open to throw through that window so he's going to be on a move a lot so early on is going to be important that they get him on the move so they they can dictate where the ball is going who's coming into his vision but he still a threat. He's gotTa has that elite speed that he can change your our angle and I think guys in space realize that he's a lot faster a lot more difficult than a lot more elusive to get. He's more quick than than Russell Wilson more explosive but he still gives you that short target where you know as a defender you hit them and if you hit him a lot all the time because he's shorter you knock him back opposed to knocking him over because he has a great center of gravity grabbing. Get Great Bounds time we see guys come think they're going to blow their and sproles up because he's so small you ended up propelled him back. He stays on his feet. You falls down and for people thinking that he's going to fail. I don't think he's Lamar Jackson but he can throw off. Lamar Jackson was success which he was last year getting his team these better. He's GonNa continue to grow. He's not a better thrower. Jim Baker is a better athlete than bakers. Baker got a better supporting cast. I think he can be successful. My thing is the principles to this offense aren't signed and then when you don't have sound principles and N._f._l.. They exploit you mentioned you mentioned he's he can. If lamarcus be successful he can Lamar. I believe would have had no shot doing what he did. Last year behind that cardinals offensive line he had a good offensive line a great coach of very good running game and an excellent defense the the cardinals were worst at everything last year. They're the worst going off into the worst points offense. They were a bottom six scoring defense. They were the fourth worst plus minus team. They were just the they got Larry. They got David Johnson Joni Eareckson. Will they need David Johnson to be the guy who was a couple years ago. Not The last two years so there's a lot working against cuyler his first season while it'll be various imperfect system for a bad off the line okay does Shawn Watson and fell worst three and thirteen he lost the cardinals any changes a good change part stick around coming up our Aaron Rodgers and the packers underdogs this year. It's an excellent person I Scott Excitement is building for the start started the season in Green Bay Bart Aaron Rodgers healthy and motivated packers. They've got a new head coach Matt Leflore and after two days and training camp there seemingly no tension between the two Aaron says why should there be their relationship is growing and the to our friends friends however he says adjusting to new coach. We'll take time a lot of times. When you have a coaching change you have to go through the the struggles of learning and starting over almost but I think what Brian has done with our our roster and the guys we we have come back? I think we have a chance to compete and again. We're in a good spot too because nobody's talking about us. You know some of the the the most dangerous teams I thought from our years or when everybody's talking about every other team out there <hes> except for us and we can kind of <hes> commodore on pace and surprised when people in the beginning I part if this team is going to succeed what's can be the biggest key for Aaron Rodgers and the packers while think less of Aaron Rodgers is going to be too key. This is a team that when you look from the outside end as is a soft team in a tough division lead by the Chicago bears who can run the ball they can stop running their physical nasty and you think about the element Aaron Rodgers hasn't been healthy in the last couple of years this is because they're leaning and putting too much pressure now when we see some even though he's not an older quarterback he's thirty four years old you would think he has six more good years in them but if they're going to prolong they they're going to have to keep them on a football field and to do that. They're going to have to increase the time of possession and quit asking him to be special. We think about all the miracle plays that he's made over the years. That's hard to sustain. I think they need to ground and pound the ball and I think they need to take a little bit from what you know. They were drew brees run. The football lane on a heavy defense and only acts Iraj should be special in spurts. Take take the game down lead. I think they were what twentieth in the League and time of possession if you can change that and maybe jump up to ten at thank you give you more opportunities to get put him on a short fill. They got tougher up the middle. Defensively they drought the Rashawn Gary. Are they draft the outside corners. They spent money in Free Agency for the first time you know a lot of money on a defensive side of the ball and I think if you put into where era just has to be better than the other quarterback two or three possessions you go ahead with a defense as tough then. I think that's a recipe for success. We've seen happen across the league with a lot of the older quarterback yeah. There's not a lot of soft players in N._F._l.. But there are soft systems and if you don't run the ball if you don't the play an attack defense then in people will categorize you as a soft football team your easier to play against those types of teams to you're not that soar after the game they used to say there's certain type of coaches man and you're sore Wednesday and Thursday when you play against Thirteen Baltimore for your Pittsburgh for years not down drag outs and you're like I'm trying to get ready but I'm still filling the pain of last week's Game Green Bay packers have not been that way hadn't been top ten points have not been in the top ten in yards in the last ten years defensively so juno. That's a soft football team. Even though no coach will say that I've priest Asaf mentality but your style dial your players they will know that after games the opposition will know that so you you hit it right on the head from the front office standpoint they decided when they got off of McCarthy as head coach. We're going to be more physical. We're going to try that'd be more demanding of our players. They went from forty three defense to a thirty four and typically that thirty four defense. You've got to play with big people when you have to be physical to build a play effectively. They spent a lot of draft capital on their secondary. The the last few years they should be really good and Aaron Jones running back. They have to get him involved because they have not supported Aaron Rodgers with a consistent running game since he's been the starter there in Green Bay if they want things to change if Aaron wants to get people's attention this organization wants to get people the attention on the national states that physical style will take over the first month of the season and listen they better have geared up because Chicago and Minnesota big physical rugged teams. You have to build a Max that in your division and they finally now have the right and you mentioned Chicago Minnesota and their division tells the first two weeks of the season and I five weeks of the season the defense is they face CHICAGO MINNESOTA DENVER DENVER PHILADELPHIA DALLAS. If you ask Sarraj Drive Forty Times a game in those first five weeks of the year this year will likely have in common with last year in the year before Aaron Rodgers gets dinged or worse early and it derails the season now how the backers did something. I thought a little curious couple days ago which is there they've been preaching. They're going to be about defense. They've invested in the D._v._D.'s. They brought in the dairy Smith impressed and Smith linebacking core the they've been cut Mike Daniels in a contract dispute. That doesn't make your team better for this coming. He's not a good fit for the system. He's not a nose tackle that can play on the nose over the center in thirty four. He's more of a four three defense and the counting money. You're paying him. You can get somebody to do that for a lot less and he's not a thirty four defensive end too short arms aren't long enough so he's not the prototype the fit so even though you see a lot of teams defense even though because I when I saw ah better myself see see that because I think a lot of you want the reaction I that's good player knew that eight million dollars for a player of his caliber you look at a lot of good teams interested in your same because of the system change wouldn't fit their. I need a fat guy to hold a jump Bruce. They brought in Gary to play that Gino Atkins Muhammed Wilkerson type of guy that six five as long that can shoot the gas because he's going to be in between the garden tackle so I wanted to get back to something that you you guys were struck by a little earlier when Aaron Rodgers mentioned that he and mettler our friends now and so everything should be okay. You left at that why I mean because he's telling you who's the boss like we're friends and the fool is going to have to earn his respect. Whenever you go into a quarterback quarterback that's already great you have to show them that? You have the answers to the tests and I'm sure errands going to try and press him to see what his philosophy is in certain situations so you have to go in and earn his respect for instance in your coaches former coaches you know what I was the Dennis termine fellow with the Table Party Man Dennis Thurman Koo Koo No. I won't give you that okay well rex vehicle. You're on the same level yeah young do came up together in the League into the Lee yes see but this is a young coach. That's trying to find his win. He knows the best way to help his resumes to have success with Aaron Rodgers because we can have success with Aaron Rodgers. How can you go anywhere in this league and say you're a great offense coach? If you can't devise a plan to utilize those type of talented Aaron Rodgers has now I think when you talk about the philosophy of the skeens how you try and make them they're going to have to put Aaron Raj Aaron Jones at the home position all that Finesse S. type of stuff that you're talking about. Those are heels type of things that that saw philosophy because you know you're not getting double teams getting to the second level right. He's going to have to devise some of that some of the same place that he had when he was down in Tennessee because that was down in your faith hill that make you respect you'll earn respect the Minnesota you gotta earn respect Chicago you do that by putting them in the mouth all right. We'll see you later on the Show D._T.. Boy D._T.. Cognac wasn't when you guys fell over twenty six down Julio's well Carson Wentz sliver split big payday next on. I think bill was fifty five grand what determine a grown man birthday party yeah. I got the week for you. I didn't like it. Stop saying clear of Carson Wentz in just a second prefers Anthony Rendong backhands the ground or down the third baseline throws that right now top Lia while falling into foul territory that was a great throat right there that was online he had a guy was running. We got one of these highlights yesterday. Man Dues running like Milkman forever to get over there. We're in domes made a few of these highlights for us. Well High School Basketball Huntington prep junior guard Jimmy Gatwick doing the under both leg dunk during a game now. This is nasty right here. This is one of the better in Game Dunks I've ever seen puts it in his left hand before he goes up and he knew what he was doing. Their this kid's got a a whole bunch of big time highlights these types of dunks this most those are in warm ups this in alive game. That's wild here we go N._F._l.. Training Camp Underway Cardinals Air Raid Offense Kyle Murray to Larry Fitzgerald for the one and handed catch while falling out of bounds convincing it both feet in their note referee right there said so. I don't even have to look at the referee. Look at the strike man. Stop tripping man. This is what I do man when you go learn Internet. This is what do people bill buildings people paying pain is. This is what I do into one more time. This is my whole cell know that left foot hit on on the chalk man. Stop playing with me agree to disagree don't trip onto onto the Cleveland browns that was good. Jim O'Neill learning just no no no vocabulary from Nick Odell Beckham Junior making a beautiful cat on the sideline both feet and a knee and bounds and then showed the ball to everybody he had a few of these spectacular catches yesterday Gordon right throw by Baker keeping away from the defender one thing watch what the browns receiving coroner quarterback. They're going against a good defense. The reps that they get should really helped us young in football team. Get a lot of season so watch them how they practice in the competition they should be working with each other to build something special during Cleveland all right moving onto Carson Wentz now he kicked off his fourth training camp. This year couldn't be happier beer about it. Eagles gave him a big money extension this off season then traded away his back of Nick Foles to leave no question about who the Eagles quarterback is Carson said he knows it will not be easy getting eagles back to the playoffs for a third straight season but he's looking forward to the journey. I've never been complacent with one win one championship one of those any of that obviously for me. There's there's a bit of the personal side I wasn't on that field back in the super bowl so there's that element too but <hes> <hes> you know I'll never be the type that's going to settle always striving for more always trying to push myself to be the best and if I didn't have that mentality I probably wouldn't even be here. We come out here and come together as a team <hes> really just really build this team and not a bunge individuals individuals and I think we have the ability to do something really special with this group but it's going to take a lot hard work Chris. What do you think is motivating? Carson Wentz hadn't into this season. I think like any great player. The personal expectations forget what anyone Nelson people with the most talent typically have the highest goals of the highest standard. I'm glad that he communicated that watching that Super Bowl win man that was gut wrenching for him because I had said that I said this is not a good fillon. He's trying to cheer Nick foles on and everything but that's not football team. He might have been the capital of the team. You might go out there for the coin toss but when you're not playing you're not actually a part of it you just riding in the car. He might as well been in the trump hankook nick fold that was his show Nick foles got all the credit till the first playoff game that he plays in the Philadelphia Eagles three years in a row. It'd be Carson Wentz his first playoff game. This is a huge season for him. They believe in them. I believe he should be one two favorites to be the M._v._p.. The supporting cast them signing sproles a couple days ago it gives them the running backs. I believe are the best running back cord that they've had they should be able to run the ball Jordan. Jordan Howard should be he said surprise a lot of people fee Russia's four thousand yards. They have a thousand yard rusher then that gives that y receiving core which I believe is rock solid. They got a very good tight end. They got three or four wide receivers years ago. SPROLES coming out of the backfield oddly none of more important than the Sean Jackson what he brings last year in N._F._l.. no-one average eighteen yards of kitsch but the signed Jackson he's won the special deep threats that we've had we're carson person wins and they're passing game. Were did it fall off from seventeen to eighteen. It's on those deep balls and no one in the N._F._l.. Has Been More effective than to Shawn Watson than sixty yard. Touchdown Sean most disarmed Jackson the most in N._F._l.. History I SPEC big things they should have super bowl aspirations in Philadelphia and listen for Carson. He's gotten everything football player can ask for aside from a taste of the playoffs and individual vigil playoff success that draft class he was in that top five is loaded jared Goff Carson wentz Joey Bosa Ezekiel Elliott Jalen Ramsey. That's unbelievable. Only one of them's gotten paid by the way Carson Jackson the draft class well way lower. He's waiting to get paid he. I don't even remember who won the M._v._p.. Two years ago because we talked about the M._v._p.. Guards from wins one even though he didn't actually win it who won the twenties was Brady. I'm not sure but I know wins was going on when we we say two thousand times like so. He's got the money he's got a great supporting cast. I think a good head coach and an extraordinary front office with a great organization you got everything in front of you and now he has to stay a healthy which has been the bugaboo for him throughout and we have to see him in the playoffs. We haven't had coachman genie on this training camp season but I do listen to coach we even though he thinks I don't and for guys in the League. There's the question of okay you are here. What will you be once? The Games are single elimination. I think Carson Wentz can be great in those spots but that's projection. That's prognostication because we've never seen him in those spots the guy taken his spot ahead of them jared goff. He's been new super bowl already. The Rams are still waiting to pay him and said we're going to watch him. Another year. Carson's been hurt two three years. He's played hasn't yet played in a playoff game. He got his money. He's got a great supporting gas. I agree with presiding Jordan Howard to the best running back. He's at I I J._J.. Was a nice enough player. I think Jordan Howard an excellent player I think Chicago's GONNA regret letting him walk out the door into Sean Jackson is going to be able to run pass people evidently until he stops choosing to play football. It'll be like Darryl Green yes when he just forty around four three absolutely right and so you are set up we know how good the offensive line is they. They moved up in the first round to take a potentially elite tackle to be a backup offensive lineman. Yes behind their hall of fame left. Lane Johnson might be the best right tackle and football. You still have kelce. You got all these pieces around you so yeah the question for winces can you take advantage of it and can you be. They're all sixteen guests Carson Wentz the only question on this team. You have depth that every position you have a great backfield you have a coach's proved himself taking you to the Super Bowl and you have a healthy quarterback. What's keeping you from being one of the most hyped team or the team? That's probably the most likely to go to the Super Bowl. There's more question question marks around the other parts of the rest of the Carson Wentz but just because he's hurt and because he's the quarterback and because Nick foles one that super bowl he's going to be owned the marquee but they got tremendous questions. As far as their linebacking corps they still got question marks as far ars their secondary that bad reason why they won this who both their secondary played extraordinary throughout the season they have not gotten that type of play so in Philadelphia. Are there no question yeah there are questions but the red hot topic is their quarterback back Kenny stay healthy and I haven't. I haven't heard someone on National T._v.. There's a big fan of Carson Winston Myself. He's got all the tools and yes there are players who get hurt in this collision sport and there's some will get hurt more than others but I'm going to start off with the talent level he has. I believe he gets them to a super bowl. They're going to win the Super Bowl with Carson wentz being their quarterback. That's what the front office. That's why they game. That's why he's the first one in that group to build get that contract contract extension Gina I think they are one of the teams that people around the League look at and say oh they are top fourteen in this league their team that can go win a super bowl like the sometimes because I'm not quite as high on them as other people people and you hear my takes before the show during the show after the show so maybe sometimes might takes pollute the general thoughts on what the national conversation is eagles are one of the most hyped Yasser who one of the most hype teams in the leap like the Patriots are just godfather in because they've grandfathered brother because they've earned it. We've really talked about this off season. As far as hype goes or the Cleveland Browns and here's a team that that is far more proven than just what the browns have on rape or they've got the pieces that we've actually seen do it and do it on a more extended period of time for Winston Baker Baker. We've seen nine games. We did see nearly a full season his second year in the League all right. Let's take a break coming up. We'll Marie live up to the high speaking of hype. That's next on first things first the environment I check this out C. C.. You wanted at Ben Simmons Soon Jumpers Against Actual N._B._A.. Players this is Austin rivers and Devon Booker also rivers other Devon Booker Authors dimension similar up okay okay so here's the thing so you're going to be negative on this until we see him. Do It in the game and I understand that but when you watch the highlight like this all and I'm Ben Simmons Fan. It frustrates me because he clearly has. Some ability to shoot the basketball and his refusal to do any of that during an M._B._a.. Game is vexing because listeners pretty shot in the world but it exists like he clearly has the capability we knowing knew that but to shoot jumpers to pull up and he just won't do it in the game he's doing it and you don't have no confidence right when he plays in these games he shouldn't be able to dunk the basketball. He should never allow himself dunk. The basketball remove the dunk from his game. Yeah that's all I was trained basketball players. My brother trained me. He induced me to people like Isaiah Thomas Magic Johnson. That's the reason why I have seen all these routines. I saw him when he came to Miami with that shooting routine that he had like. I'm not just making this stuff because I don't have nothing better to do. This all have seen throughout my life when I was a kid the only reason why I didn't try to go to the N._B._A.. 'cause I couldn't shoot. The ball is good. I know that like I'm just forget mess. Mess me with that. No I beg you stop miss me with my show would be better if you missed the show at this point to your girlfriend's two hours in they'll get rid of years in you ain't got it all right. He's going to be the day the lightbulb went every day. I think that's going to be the day nick. No Big News at a Dallas Ezekiel. Elliott did not board the team pointed training camp yesterday he he does however have until this morning to report before officially becoming a holdout nick. How do you expect us to play out in? I I think Zeke's going to show up. I think it's in the I no. It's in the team's best interest firm to show up. I don't know if it's in his best interest to show up but is he willing to play this game chicken with the Dallas cowboys in this critical season and is he willing win. Dak is yet to be paid and DAX act showing up obviously DAX only got one year left on his deal index never made real money. Is he willing to not show up when Jack is those are the questions and I guess we'll get the answer in a few hours you know when you N._F._l.. Locker Room Nikki knows problem that is DAX index problem any my problem we could be titus can be that could be my boy but every man is in business for himself. Dallas cowboys are in business for themselves. They make Dak rich. They're gonNA make our Mari Cooper rich and Zeke if he's smart he's the best player on the team he you would stick to his guns. He should get his contract. I wouldn't be concerned about deck anew. That ain't my fault. He got drafted into Third Round Baltimore. You got they my fault. I need my money and that's what zero and tell them all right moving onto the saints now New Orleans Wide Receiver Gra Michael Thomas he also did not report to training camp yesterday he in the saint-seurin contract negotiations but have not agreed to terms yet see are you surprised at Thomas wasn't at Camp No not surprised at all. They have a hard time getting drew abry signed and you're talking about the type of money might want one hundred million for five yeah okay that I mean that's a lot of money for wide receiver. He has earned it is his turn. He was not a high draft pick. He's exceeded expectations -tations. He's exceed the expectation and I've been watching in place in highschool played high-school in California went. The military school then went to Ohio state. I never thought that he would be as good a wide receivers he is. I was totally wrong. I thought he'd be a good wide receiver. Have a a good eight to ten year career but man he is a star N._F._l.. This is the most reasonable rational hold out imaginable. He's a players never made any money. He's second round pick scheduling one million dollars this he's made in three years total rule of four million bucks and by N._F._l.. Sanders I should say right now any significant money he since coming into the League not only is he gotten better every year but he started off good enough that over the last three years he's top six and catches touchdowns and yards this the type of guy who gets paid in this league and it BS force there and he has forced there and even though he's not from New Orleans Sound Payton in one hometown discount because that system has helped him out all right moving onto the Cleveland browns they opened up camp yesterday and Odell loved every second of it shines making some spectacular signature catches back and said quote. I feel like I belong saying. What do you think was sort of a precursor of what's to come fro? Dell people always they make up some stuff and they say you know a tight end is quarterbacks. quarterbacks best friend best friend is when a guy is covered and I can throw him in the ball and he can still make a catch because that's what you saw yesterday. They're going to get great coverage great practice reps but man this is good for O._B.. J. To be back out there not trying to do interviews play football what he's great at what he got his name for doing his they are very very talented. This is not hype. I know we've talked about him a lot. They've lost a lot of games over the last twenty years but this is the most talented Cleveland team that they've had their in fifteen. You Man I was on twitter yesterday and every fifteen minutes there was a different Odell highlight. Oh my twitter feed and then a few minutes later there's different clip out of giants Camp Daniel Jones. He's not GonNa Cooler over with a pass of Sterling Shepard breaks thumb. Unfortunately then Odell does this. I'm like these poor. Giant fans can't win for losing down. The browns are going to be excellent. We've said we both like bakers kind of Darkhorse M._v._p.. I bic Odell is going to be first team all pro receiver for the first time in his career so I listen. I think there's going to be a great year for Odell in the browns all right. Let's finish up with the cardinals. First overall pick eat debt tyler Murray started his first training encamp yesterday cuyler a new coach Cliff Kingsbury. We'll try and bring a new look high flying offense to the League Murray was asked about this new offense and why he thinks it'll work in the N._F._l.. I don't see what everybody thinks it. You'll it can't be successful. It's just like any other offense. It's an office you know we work at it. We practice and executed if we don't then it won't be successful but if we do like I said I mean I feel like I worked at the college level. You know why don't I don't see why couldn't work. Look at the pro level so it's our job you believe in that C C. Do you trust the column or in the cardinals. Offense will be successful in the N._F._l.. The will let me address something I as far as the reason why that system doesn't work in the pros right the reason why so successful successful but it wasn't so successful to Clifton Berry didn't get fire all right okay so it doesn't just dominate college football it puts up big numbers but because of the Hash marks and because of the lack of quality defensive defensive backs in college football you can spread to feel put four and five receivers on the field thought of all sideways but their lack of pass protection their lack of competent reads down the field of you. Take away the number one read in this system where where does the ball go because typically the coach dictates where he wants to quarterback but throw the ball. That's why we're worried about Baker Mayfield last year. Would he be able to read out now he was able to transfer over understand N._F._l.. Concepts and and and use it to his advantage. That's the reason why the system I believe the system can work but man you must run the football. You must have a physical presence to bill. Take the pressure off the quarterback because we talked earlier with Bart Scott. I believe they're gonNA blitz him a lot and the reason why you blitz him a lot so you get people in his face so he can't step in throat. If you think being short doesn't hurt the job like you don't know N._F._l.. quarterback the offensive line is averaging six three all right the center might be between six one six three them guards are going to be six two to six four and tackles are going to be six four to six seven now. I know you're going to be trying to throw in windows beside them mm-hmm but every once in a while you have to throw over top of them to be able to get the boat now he has a beautiful throwing motion but some of these things are going to have to be answered. Would they put a competent running game. Can they be physical will they have enough very different past protections to protect that quarterback and when the balls in the middle of field which it is an N._F._l.. Gains compared to college. You can't out leverage guys to the outside so I don't think it's going to work the way that it worked in college because I think the quarterbacks GonNa get hit too much that offensive line worst in pro football last year cuyler is coming from Oklahoma that had the best offensive line pro football focus in college football and won the award for there's a colleague forget the name of the award there's award for the best five-man offensive line good okay sure that official the we're good offense blunt award and that that is such an important point because when we when people dog Tyler's they in a defense they're like well. He didn't have hardly leaney balls better down in college. Man Who Bets Down Bowls Defensive Lineman you know when it's hard to back down balls when all offensive lineman has not ju three yards back and you're falling backwards you know when it's easier when you are winning that battle and you're closer to the quarterback so that's he has pay cuyler does have good delivery. I'll trust you on that in some of the my I can't quite but I believe you straight straight over time but the dip if the lines scrimmages here if you're offensive line's winning the battle now the defensive linemen are six nap yards away from you if they're winning the battle now. They're four yards away from you or closer so there's even if you're in the gun so that is going to be different that is my biggest concern for cuyler aside from the height and we've never seen someone succeed in the N._F._l.. At that position at that height is this will be the worst offensive line he's ever had in his football playing life so we don't know how he's going to react to that. Also this is going to be in comparison to his opposition edition. The least talented team he's been on in his football playing like Oklahoma wouldn't play in a bunch of games where the opposition add more talent and then they only played two or three all year your they add as much Arizona last year was dead last point score dead last in yards. They were bottom six in the N._F._l.. Defensively they were the fourth worst team in the plus minus so a great quarterback would be a tough spot a great veteran quarterback with Arizona that my new a new young small the new system new coat. It just concerns me. I you said this during the break see we David Johnson got paid early an enormous amount of money his second year in this league he was great and that cardinals he was really good that year he had two thousand yards from scrimmage twenty touchdowns the next year he broke his wrist missed all season and last year he was mediocre at best. We can call put that on the offense wine but it's mostly same ovens lines going. We're online this year. He's going to have to be back to the guy why he was in. Two thousand sixteen for tailored have a chance at surviving a couple of guys from throwing motion. If you WANNA look at him look last year Baker Mayfield they throw very very similar also look at Russell Wilson. All these guys are underside. All of them have a very very good throwing motion where the arm comes over the top that does not make them shorter guys through. Even if you're six five youth aside on it's like you're six two in the pocket so I expect him to have success throwing the ball. He has a unbelievable canon of arm touch throws but don't worry about the height thing as far as passes being bad it last year at Oklahoma. Only five passes bad Daniel Jones on the other hand Duke Seven Inches Taller has seven more passes batted in college than and then did last year five compared to twelve seven inches high. He has seven more bad down. Good luck giants coming up. What is my Tomlin's new deal? Tell us about the steelers future affects first things first with Scott The steelers extended head coach Mike Tomlin's contract one season keeping in through twenty twenty one team looking for a little stability after a tough year in which they not only miss the playoffs for the first time since two thousand thirteen they lost both Antonio Brown and Love Bell to the best offensive weapons in Football Tomlin entering his thirteenth season with the steelers. He's reached the playoffs eight times in that span but what's your reaction action to Tomlin getting one extra year well think he's still on a hot seat. Organizations have this thing that they do a coach's where they don't want them to be laying. Coaches shows a lack of stability with the team and you want them have power so you give them a one year extension so if view fire on the following year that they'll be able to have income as they searched with a new job. That's why you see when guys get fired. They go go straight to television because we call the double dip it so I mean I wouldn't look too much until them giving them an extension it. It would have been in multiple year extension if they're really believed. I think this is a very important year for him because it was a lack of institutional control last year when you hear all all the things that come you know audit organization whether it was Levy on Bellwethers Antonio Brown semi gives a lack of structure. I think they got rid of those guys and say listen we believe in you might but this year where you have to pull everything back together and show that you're on court leader well and it should be noted. He had two years on deal so now he has three years guaranteed guaranteed on his deal quite in the lame duck year but it also wasn't a multi year extension so I it was to me they were kind of trying to threaten the needle on we want to extend him so his length of contract and lease goes as long as been Roethlisberger's does but not tie us to him for multiple years in the future on the steelers genocide earlier have had three coaches in the last fifty years it went chuck Knoll to Bill Cower to Mike Tomlin. It also should be noted this Mike Tomlin has an unimpeachable impeachable resume of success. He has never had a losing season. They have made the playoffs eight times in twelve years. They if we're talking about the best coaches in the N._F._l.. Bella check read Sean Payton. John Harbaugh Pete Carroll like Tomlin are your top six. You can pick the order. That's on the order. I would have it in by the way this but those are six guys that you know our great head coaches now last year was a down year last year was a year not only down here because they missed the playoffs but because it did seem like he had kind of lost the tether on the team to a degree the year before that they went thirteen and three they lost a terrible playoff game to the jags would seem to almost be a sign of things to income for the following season but it's not that they've had consecutive bad seasons that awful ending to their season two years ago and then down here by their standards but if Mike Tomlin were to get fired if he didn't want to go into TV he'd be out of work about five minutes so he would instantly get another job. We saw a different superbowl winning head coach. Mike McCarthy get fired this off season. He he's still have a job now. Maybe he could have maybe turned one down or maybe the league wasn't as I on him as I believe they would would be on Tomlin but of course it's a big year because every year in Pittsburgh were big. Ben Is still your quarterback. You have legitimate not only but super bowl aspirations now you have to do with the least talented team that you've had offensively in the last five seasons. Why is he so so could see how is the guy like that able to survive what a lot of people would call dysfunction within that Pittsburgh Franchise for the last couple years and be successful at doing it? Mike Tomlin is a great motivator. He's a great communicator. Young guys buy into young people want. I want to follow him. He's dynamic. I mean these motivational. His speeches men are second to none like when he speaks to a team of grown men like he has the bill to get their attention and when he was the Defense Abaco he was one of the great teachers that we have when you come to work you have a guy you're young player. You're trying to learn this game. You think you know something you get. Someone like Mike Tomlin they start showing you how to leave works. They start teaching you about offenses like wow I feel like I got a chance to bill earn in a living and he's become a great leader. The guys love him they love playing for him and the Pittsburgh steelers they trust them. That's one of the great stats in all of football sixty years or so. Pittsburgh got three coaches twin. The great stats that you'll ever see so you guys might not remember this bar might remember vaguely but the last coast they had they want his head he wanted every year. Bill cowher Jimmy getting on a super and Mike Tomlin is already one and the organization was super patient with bill carries. One of my favorite coaches does a great job on television everything but let's not forget. This is not a normal organization if the Pittsburgh steelers Jay me a three year contract you know what I'd be saying. That's a long term. That's long-term. short-term is one are two years long term in the business. Now is three or four. He's got a long term contract and matches up with my star quarterback quarterback and Ben Rothlisberger so they're letting them know because the Pittsburgh steelers aren't into paying people off and just going home right so to me this allows Mike to build a regain his voice bar in locker room that becomes very important work but I gotta get back to steeler football. I mean they were last league and rushing a ball. They've been aired out because of how good Ben Rothlisberger is and that's the league is changing but it's going to be a lot on those players. You know you think about James Connie think about Juju he's going to have they're going to have to step up and they're going to see if he can't coach now. Because now you gotTa coat sometimes you can lean and star players just to be great Antonio Brown you know making things happen late on bail making things you think about some of those ended a game plays. They made the win games when they were just better than any other person you know Antonio Brown making one arm catches into double coverage now he's going to have the coach this team going have to win now just lean on individuals and they're trying to get back to their way. Secondary's been horrible. They finally decided to replace Shea Zere. We're bringing in Devon Bush for that a defense to work. They have to have an impact type of middle linebacker. You think about farrier thing about Larry Foot you think about you know some of the Great Middle Linebacker that they had you know they're trying to get back to their identity and understanding that it flows through the coach I but a lot of people will argue that Mike Tomlin won the Super Bowl with bill college players and Bill Cowher laid a lot of the groundwork for that he he's got he's hack success but now that division it's catching up with them as they've ushered out. Oh quarterbacks talk about the new dynamic quarterbacks coming in and Baker Mayfield is going to have to be dealt with Lamar Jackson Ravens defense is that's a tough division to play in and now he's going to have to do and coach Gaza so you're and that was a criticism of Tomlin not a criticism but kind of an asterisk yeah listen. They won the superbowl early. They went back to the Super Bowl two years later it was cower system cowers players so let's look at recent history all the cower guys except for Big Ben gone since two thousand fifteen only two teams in the N._F._l.. One More Games Games in the series the Patriots and the chiefs since two thousand fifteen only the Patriots have been more playoff games than Pittsburgh steelers and this is considered the down part of his tenure. The beginning was considered the wild success when a super bowl near to go back back in your for the last four years have been more of the struggle. They've still been a great team. This is where you are victim of your success where the standard of excellence is so high that nine six and one which is what they were last year is considered a disaster there. There are a couple of things one discredit what you're seeing as far as getting credit for winning with another person's played. This is not college right. It's not like you own scholarship. You're out recruiting. Those players were drafted by the Pittsburgh Front Office. Pittsburgh's Front Front office have drafted great players. That's why those coaches have stayed there because their front office has really supported that now and they won with defense. They didn't win with office if he has switched it over. It was on often side. I've been okay no they won with defense the two things against Tomlin the conduct of his star players and they haven't been good defensively those too bad marks on a guy. He's one of five coaches with no losing seasons his first twelve years in the League we sit which is the season that means he's a pretty special coke and those other four guys curly Lambeau stadium named after him Don Shula some considering the greatest coach ever George Allen Legend and Marty Schottenheimer who the for him he just had repeated playoff failures when the regular season was extraordinary. That's an all time list right there but the thing is easy to win a vision when you have the best quarterback in it and he's had best quarterback in division probably for the last ten years and that's been a difference between the steelers and the Ravens event is that the ravens they both had Great Defensive Hall of famers on both sides but they've had the better quarterback and Ben has been special when it came down to those last minute drive some respect on the Andy Dalton today. Thank you for listening to the first things first podcast remember leave.